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From: "ElParedon" 
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Three Palestinian children were killed by Israeli fire in the northern Gaza 
Strip on Wednesday. The three were cousins from the al-Ghazale family - 
Yihiye, 12, Mahmoud, 10, and Sara, 10. The Israeli public reacted to these 
killings, just like it did to the killing of two other children several days 
earlier, with near complete apathy. It might as well be an act of god, or an 
acceptable price that balances out the frustration at the continued Qassam 
rocket attacks.

This indifference is dangerous because it does not encourage greater care in 
identifying targets. The automatic expressions of sorrow by government 
officials, and the argument that "the terrorists organizations send children 
deliberately to places where they become targets," does not suggest that 
anyone is attempting to learn the necessary lessons from the mistakes. This 
is all the more true when the targets are in areas housing civilians, and 
the risk is known in advance. Israel cannot behave like a terrorist 
organization that targets civilians, even when the shooting comes in 
response to an attack. After all, this is the main reason why Israel is 
encouraging the boycott of Hamas the world over.

There is no dispute over the fact that the children were killed near rocket 
launchers. Israel kills three kids - no rocket launchers in sight - 
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3245However, the people near 
rocket launchers are usually civilians, and not the operating crews. The 
crews operating the launchers do so from a distance, and later they send 
others, including children, to collect the launchers for further use. Even 
though the Palestinians claim that the children cannot lift such launchers 
because they are too heavy, the Israel Defense Forces thinks otherwise. It 
believes the launcher is light and the rocket is heavy, and therefore 
launchers can be collected by children.

The Qassam rocket attacks against Sderot and the other communities bordering 
the Gaza Strip are fully controlled by Hamas, and can no longer be 
attributed to rogue, undisciplined gangs. Hamas subcontracts other groups 
and provides them with rockets, while it concentrates on the more 
"respectable" task of attacking military targets, but it is Hamas that 
controls the entire gamut of activities.

Faced with the continued rocket attacks, which are showing no signs of 
abatement in spite of the ground incursions and the killings from the air, 
the IDF has no proven means of minimizing the fire. The killing of 
Palestinian children is certainly not contributing to the safety of the 
children in Sderot, but rather only increases the urge to avenge their 
deaths and to harm children on the other side.

Were it possible to distinguish between Israel's attitude toward the 
Palestinians in the West Bank and those living in the Gaza Strip, and were 
it clear to the Palestinians that in places where there is less terrorism, 
Israel takes a more considerate attitude toward the civilians, then maybe 
they would understand that ending the attacks is worthwhile. While there are 
signs that the atmosphere in the West Bank is changing - the rescue of an 
IDF officer by Palestinian security forces is an expression of this - but 
talk of making the daily life of civilians easier by decreasing the number 
of roadblocks has, for now, proven to be empty words.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=899399 




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Subject:  SHAMELESS SCUM ABBAS, SUPPORTS THAT  NAZI JEW STATE
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 Three Palestinian children were killed by Israeli fire in the northern Gaza 
Strip on Wednesday. The three were cousins from the al-Ghazale family - 
Yihiye, 12, Mahmoud, 10, and Sara, 10. The Israeli public reacted to these 
killings, just like it did to the killing of two other children several days 
earlier, with near complete apathy. It might as well be an act of god, or an 
acceptable price that balances out the frustration at the continued Qassam 
rocket attacks.

This indifference is dangerous because it does not encourage greater care in 
identifying targets. The automatic expressions of sorrow by government 
officials, and the argument that "the terrorists organizations send children 
deliberately to places where they become targets," does not suggest that 
anyone is attempting to learn the necessary lessons from the mistakes. This 
is all the more true when the targets are in areas housing civilians, and 
the risk is known in advance. Israel cannot behave like a terrorist 
organization that targets civilians, even when the shooting comes in 
response to an attack. After all, this is the main reason why Israel is 
encouraging the boycott of Hamas the world over.

There is no dispute over the fact that the children were killed near rocket 
launchers. Israel kills three kids - no rocket launchers in sight - 
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3245However, the people near 
rocket launchers are usually civilians, and not the operating crews. The 
crews operating the launchers do so from a distance, and later they send 
others, including children, to collect the launchers for further use. Even 
though the Palestinians claim that the children cannot lift such launchers 
because they are too heavy, the Israel Defense Forces thinks otherwise. It 
believes the launcher is light and the rocket is heavy, and therefore 
launchers can be collected by children.

The Qassam rocket attacks against Sderot and the other communities bordering 
the Gaza Strip are fully controlled by Hamas, and can no longer be 
attributed to rogue, undisciplined gangs. Hamas subcontracts other groups 
and provides them with rockets, while it concentrates on the more 
"respectable" task of attacking military targets, but it is Hamas that 
controls the entire gamut of activities.

Faced with the continued rocket attacks, which are showing no signs of 
abatement in spite of the ground incursions and the killings from the air, 
the IDF has no proven means of minimizing the fire. The killing of 
Palestinian children is certainly not contributing to the safety of the 
children in Sderot, but rather only increases the urge to avenge their 
deaths and to harm children on the other side.

Were it possible to distinguish between Israel's attitude toward the 
Palestinians in the West Bank and those living in the Gaza Strip, and were 
it clear to the Palestinians that in places where there is less terrorism, 
Israel takes a more considerate attitude toward the civilians, then maybe 
they would understand that ending the attacks is worthwhile. While there are 
signs that the atmosphere in the West Bank is changing - the rescue of an 
IDF officer by Palestinian security forces is an expression of this - but 
talk of making the daily life of civilians easier by decreasing the number 
of roadblocks has, for now, proven to be empty words.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=899399 




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 Three Palestinian children were killed by Israeli fire in the northern Gaza 
Strip on Wednesday. The three were cousins from the al-Ghazale family - 
Yihiye, 12, Mahmoud, 10, and Sara, 10. The Israeli public reacted to these 
killings, just like it did to the killing of two other children several days 
earlier, with near complete apathy. It might as well be an act of god, or an 
acceptable price that balances out the frustration at the continued Qassam 
rocket attacks.

This indifference is dangerous because it does not encourage greater care in 
identifying targets. The automatic expressions of sorrow by government 
officials, and the argument that "the terrorists organizations send children 
deliberately to places where they become targets," does not suggest that 
anyone is attempting to learn the necessary lessons from the mistakes. This 
is all the more true when the targets are in areas housing civilians, and 
the risk is known in advance. Israel cannot behave like a terrorist 
organization that targets civilians, even when the shooting comes in 
response to an attack. After all, this is the main reason why Israel is 
encouraging the boycott of Hamas the world over.

There is no dispute over the fact that the children were killed near rocket 
launchers. Israel kills three kids - no rocket launchers in sight - 
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3245However, the people near 
rocket launchers are usually civilians, and not the operating crews. The 
crews operating the launchers do so from a distance, and later they send 
others, including children, to collect the launchers for further use. Even 
though the Palestinians claim that the children cannot lift such launchers 
because they are too heavy, the Israel Defense Forces thinks otherwise. It 
believes the launcher is light and the rocket is heavy, and therefore 
launchers can be collected by children.

The Qassam rocket attacks against Sderot and the other communities bordering 
the Gaza Strip are fully controlled by Hamas, and can no longer be 
attributed to rogue, undisciplined gangs. Hamas subcontracts other groups 
and provides them with rockets, while it concentrates on the more 
"respectable" task of attacking military targets, but it is Hamas that 
controls the entire gamut of activities.

Faced with the continued rocket attacks, which are showing no signs of 
abatement in spite of the ground incursions and the killings from the air, 
the IDF has no proven means of minimizing the fire. The killing of 
Palestinian children is certainly not contributing to the safety of the 
children in Sderot, but rather only increases the urge to avenge their 
deaths and to harm children on the other side.

Were it possible to distinguish between Israel's attitude toward the 
Palestinians in the West Bank and those living in the Gaza Strip, and were 
it clear to the Palestinians that in places where there is less terrorism, 
Israel takes a more considerate attitude toward the civilians, then maybe 
they would understand that ending the attacks is worthwhile. While there are 
signs that the atmosphere in the West Bank is changing - the rescue of an 
IDF officer by Palestinian security forces is an expression of this - but 
talk of making the daily life of civilians easier by decreasing the number 
of roadblocks has, for now, proven to be empty words.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=899399 




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Subject: Re: ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, FAR WORSE THAN ANY NAZIS, AND ISRAEL SHOULD BE BANNED
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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fbbnfp$n42$1@pcls6.std.com...
>   
>
>   "Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was
> that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women
> and children," he [U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland] said.
> "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and
> that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think
> anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead
> than armed men."
>
>   
>
>
>   http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/67386.html
>
>   "In a letter to the editor of the Berlin daily Der Tagesspiegel,
> Dr Mounir Herzallah, a Lebanese Shia, presents a very cogent and
> first-hand eyewitness report. He describes how, after Israel's
> withdrawal from southern Lebanon, Hizbollah stored rockets in bunkers
> in his town and built a school and residence over it."
>
>
> RJ.
I guess you think, that Hezbollah should fight ZioNazis with sticks and 
stones! Funny! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:47:19 EDT 2007
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From: "ElParedon" 
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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fbbo62$l0j$1@pcls6.std.com...
> In article <0ndCi.30509$mp6.21239@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
> ElParedon  wrote:
>
>> "RJ11"  wrote in message 
>> news:fbbnfp$n42$1@pcls6.std.com...
>
>>>   
>>>
>>>   "Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was
>>> that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women
>>> and children," he [U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland] said.
>>> "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and
>>> that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think
>>> anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead
>>> than armed men."
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>   http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/67386.html
>>>
>>>   "In a letter to the editor of the Berlin daily Der Tagesspiegel,
>>> Dr Mounir Herzallah, a Lebanese Shia, presents a very cogent and
>>> first-hand eyewitness report. He describes how, after Israel's
>>> withdrawal from southern Lebanon, Hizbollah stored rockets in bunkers
>>> in his town and built a school and residence over it."
>
>> I guess you think, that Hezbollah should fight ZioNazis with sticks and
>> stones! Funny!
>
>   I think that Hezbollah and Hamas should stop hiding among
> women and children.
You are a liar! Hezbollah heroes met you scum head on.

Clearly,  they are intentionally causing
> the death of their own civilians.
You are a lying skunk. Being a Jew that is not surprising that is what 
Talmud teaches you, isn't it?

To the Islamists,  nothing
> is cheaper than the lives of their so-called "Muslim brothers";
> look how they're butchering other Muslims in Gaza and Iraq.

The butchers are the Marines
>
> RJ. 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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 I cannot stop laughing when some of our politicians talk about the need of
years to move the equipment from Iraq home.

Some of you who have seen the vast warehouses of equipment  of Kam Rahn,
will remember that about 70 miles of thew beach were covered with equipment
still in crates. Brand new Cesna planes, jet engiones, hundreds of dozers,
bobcats,thousands of trucks, jeeps and cars.

WELL, FOLKS IT TOOK VIETNAMESE TWO YEARS TO AUCTION ALL THAT STUFF, AND THEY
STILL HAD PLENTY LEFT OVER FOR THEIR OWN MILITARY.

YES, AUCTIONS WERE ON FOR TWO WHOLE YEARS. GUESS WHO BOUGHT THE STUFF? OH,
YOU DO NOT WANT TO GUESS!

I wonder how  long will it take Maliki to auction all the junk they piled up
all over Iraq, including millions of tons of scrap!





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Subject: WELCOME TO AUSCHWITZ, U.S.A. !
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      The U.S. Army is authorized to create civilian prison labor camps on 
military installations, according to a little-noticed regulation.

      The camps are allowed if the request comes from the Federal Bureau of 
Prisons or state corrections facilities under leasing requirements defined 
by federal law.

      WND's discovery of the regulation comes shortly after Bush 
administration directives expanding presidential powers during an emergency.

      The Army prison camp policy is defined in Army Regulation 210-35, 
entitled "Installations: Civilian Inmate Labor Camps," signed Feb. 14, 2005, 
by Sandra R. Riley, then-administrative assistant to the secretary of the 
Army.

      The regulation revises an earlier civilian inmate labor camp 
regulation signed Dec. 9, 1997, under the Clinton administration.

      Ned Christensen, spokesman for the U.S. Army Installation Management 
Command, confirmed to WND the 2005 version of Army Regulation 210-35 is 
currently valid and fully operative.

      The regulation specifies "the Army's primary purpose for allowing 
establishment of prison camps on Army installations is to use the resident 
nonviolent civilian inmate labor pool to work on the leased portions of the 
installation."

      The regulations specify Army personnel running the prison camps will 
prepare an "Inmate Labor Plan" that will comply with 18 U.S.C. 4125(a), 
governing civilian inmate labor.

      That section of the U.S. Code allows the U.S. attorney general to make 
available to the heads of U.S. departments, including the Army, the services 
of U.S. prisoners to engage in labor, including "constructing or repairing 
roads, cleaning, maintaining and reforesting public lands, building levees 
and constructing or repairing any other public ways or works financed wholly 
or in major part by funds appropriated by Congress."

      The regulation currently limits the Army's Civilian Inmate Labor 
Program "to using inmates from facilities under the control of the Federal 
Bureau of Prisons," noting the bureau "provides civilian inmate labor free 
of charge to the Army."

      The regulation specifies that a benefit of the program to the Army is 
"providing a source of labor at no direct cost to Army installations to 
accomplish tasks that would not be possible otherwise due to the manning and 
funding constraints under which the Army operates."

      Extraordinary powers

      WND previously reported that in May President Bush signed National 
Security Presidential Directive-51 and Homeland Security Presidential 
Directive-20, which granted near-dictatorial powers to the president in the 
event he declares a national emergency.

      The directives loosely define "catastrophic emergency" as "any 
incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of 
mass casualties, damage or disruption severely affecting the U.S. 
population, infrastructure, environment, economy or government functions.

      When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, 
he can take over governmental functions at all federal, state, local, 
territorial and tribal levels, as well as direct private sector activities, 
to ensure the U.S. emerges from the emergency "with an enduring 
constitutional government."

      That means, essentially, when the president determines a national 
emergency has occurred, he can confer to the office of the presidency powers 
usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business 
activities until the emergency is over.

      Christensen could not answer WND questions regarding whether the 
president could declare a national emergency under NSPD-51/HSPD-20 and 
instruct the Bureau of Prisons to have the Army construct civilian prison 
camps.

      "The last time civilians were incarcerated on U.S. Army installations 
was when the Japanese were interred during World War II," Christensen told 
WND.

      Still, Christensen acknowledged that Fort Dix has two civilian labor 
prisons on its property, one federal and one state.

      "Fort Dix routinely uses inmate labor for grounds maintenance and some 
other manual labor, such as filling sandbags," Christensen told WND in an 
e-mail. "So, the Fort Dix program is used to provide activity for trusted 
inmates and labor to the government at no cost."

      WND also reported KBR, formerly the engineering and construction 
subsidiary of Halliburton Co., has a contingency contract in place with the 
Department of Homeland Security to construct detention facilities in the 
event of a national emergency.

      Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, spokeswoman Julie 
Zuieback confirmed to WND on May 29 that the Department of Homeland Security 
in January awarded KBR a $385 million contract to construct detention 
facilities on a contingency basis.

      Christensen said it was outside his area to comment on whether the DHS 
could ask KBR to build a civilian prison labor camp on an Army installation.

      WND called the White House and the Department of Homeland Security and 
left detailed messages about the substance of this story but received no 
response.

      http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57404





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      The U.S. Army is authorized to create civilian prison labor camps on 
military installations, according to a little-noticed regulation.

      The camps are allowed if the request comes from the Federal Bureau of 
Prisons or state corrections facilities under leasing requirements defined 
by federal law.

      WND's discovery of the regulation comes shortly after Bush 
administration directives expanding presidential powers during an emergency.

      The Army prison camp policy is defined in Army Regulation 210-35, 
entitled "Installations: Civilian Inmate Labor Camps," signed Feb. 14, 2005, 
by Sandra R. Riley, then-administrative assistant to the secretary of the 
Army.

      The regulation revises an earlier civilian inmate labor camp 
regulation signed Dec. 9, 1997, under the Clinton administration.

      Ned Christensen, spokesman for the U.S. Army Installation Management 
Command, confirmed to WND the 2005 version of Army Regulation 210-35 is 
currently valid and fully operative.

      The regulation specifies "the Army's primary purpose for allowing 
establishment of prison camps on Army installations is to use the resident 
nonviolent civilian inmate labor pool to work on the leased portions of the 
installation."

      The regulations specify Army personnel running the prison camps will 
prepare an "Inmate Labor Plan" that will comply with 18 U.S.C. 4125(a), 
governing civilian inmate labor.

      That section of the U.S. Code allows the U.S. attorney general to make 
available to the heads of U.S. departments, including the Army, the services 
of U.S. prisoners to engage in labor, including "constructing or repairing 
roads, cleaning, maintaining and reforesting public lands, building levees 
and constructing or repairing any other public ways or works financed wholly 
or in major part by funds appropriated by Congress."

      The regulation currently limits the Army's Civilian Inmate Labor 
Program "to using inmates from facilities under the control of the Federal 
Bureau of Prisons," noting the bureau "provides civilian inmate labor free 
of charge to the Army."

      The regulation specifies that a benefit of the program to the Army is 
"providing a source of labor at no direct cost to Army installations to 
accomplish tasks that would not be possible otherwise due to the manning and 
funding constraints under which the Army operates."

      Extraordinary powers

      WND previously reported that in May President Bush signed National 
Security Presidential Directive-51 and Homeland Security Presidential 
Directive-20, which granted near-dictatorial powers to the president in the 
event he declares a national emergency.

      The directives loosely define "catastrophic emergency" as "any 
incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of 
mass casualties, damage or disruption severely affecting the U.S. 
population, infrastructure, environment, economy or government functions.

      When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, 
he can take over governmental functions at all federal, state, local, 
territorial and tribal levels, as well as direct private sector activities, 
to ensure the U.S. emerges from the emergency "with an enduring 
constitutional government."

      That means, essentially, when the president determines a national 
emergency has occurred, he can confer to the office of the presidency powers 
usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business 
activities until the emergency is over.

      Christensen could not answer WND questions regarding whether the 
president could declare a national emergency under NSPD-51/HSPD-20 and 
instruct the Bureau of Prisons to have the Army construct civilian prison 
camps.

      "The last time civilians were incarcerated on U.S. Army installations 
was when the Japanese were interred during World War II," Christensen told 
WND.

      Still, Christensen acknowledged that Fort Dix has two civilian labor 
prisons on its property, one federal and one state.

      "Fort Dix routinely uses inmate labor for grounds maintenance and some 
other manual labor, such as filling sandbags," Christensen told WND in an 
e-mail. "So, the Fort Dix program is used to provide activity for trusted 
inmates and labor to the government at no cost."

      WND also reported KBR, formerly the engineering and construction 
subsidiary of Halliburton Co., has a contingency contract in place with the 
Department of Homeland Security to construct detention facilities in the 
event of a national emergency.

      Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, spokeswoman Julie 
Zuieback confirmed to WND on May 29 that the Department of Homeland Security 
in January awarded KBR a $385 million contract to construct detention 
facilities on a contingency basis.

      Christensen said it was outside his area to comment on whether the DHS 
could ask KBR to build a civilian prison labor camp on an Army installation.

      WND called the White House and the Department of Homeland Security and 
left detailed messages about the substance of this story but received no 
response.

      http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57404





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ZiuoNazi "democracy" allows abuses worse than those of any fascist stateto 
take place. Some "democracy"!

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Subject: ALERT- "Torture in Israeli Prisons" -Ted Pike
From: "Ted Pike"
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:43:54 -0700
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TORTURE IN ISRAELI PRISONS

By Rev. Ted Pike


           Today, more than 8,000 Palestinians are locked in Israel's
prisons, most without due process. For the majority, their crime is
resisting a nation that violently stole 90 percent of their parents'
and grandparents' land and possessions and expelled them to wretched
detention camps in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon. (See, The Simple
Explanation for Mid-East Strife)
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/mideaststrifeexplanation.html


 These sons and grandsons were imprisoned for crimes ranging from
stone-throwing at Israeli tanks to violent terrorist activity. As
prisoners, they have virtually no rights. Many are held without charge
or trial.  They can be legally tortured without restraint.

           Since at least 1967, the government of Israel has
vehemently denied that it uses torture, and Israel signed the 1987
Landau Agreement banning most forms of torture. 1 But in 1995 a secret
government report (not released until 2000) admitted Israel does
torture. 2 In 1999 Israel's Supreme Court ruled that torture can be
employed as a "necessity" in exceptional cases when officers have
reason to believe they can prevent a crime.  This has created a
loophole, exempting interrogators/torturers from punishment as long as
they claim they tortured in the national interest. 3
Since every Palestinian prisoner may be viewed as possessing
information valuable to preventing terrorist attacks, virtually all
have been tortured. The Palestine Monitor

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/

(www.palestinemonitor.org) reports that since 1987 the Israeli
Security Agency has tortured at least 850 Palestinians a year during
interrogations.  Since the Supreme Court ruling in 1999, according to
the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselm, 85 percent of
Palestinian prisoners are still subjected to torture. The Monitor
asserts that during the first Intifada (1987-1993), Israeli security
"interrogated approximately 23,000 Palestinians."  The Public
Committee Against Torture (PCAT) estimates that almost all suffered
some torture during interrogation. 4

           The Palestine Monitor says that methods of interrogation
and torture frequently used by Israeli security service include:

    * Tying up detainees in painful positions for hours or days.
    * Containment in tiny cramped spaces (for days, prisoners have
been stuffed in boxes about 2 feet square and 5 feet high, often with
spiked floors).
    * Prolonged beatings.
    * Enclosing the detainee's head in a sack (often soaked with urine
and feces).
    * Violent "shaking" (Physicians for Human Rights says this has
caused brain damage, even death). 5
    * Bending body in extremely painful positions.
    * Prolonged exposure to extreme cold or heat.
    * Sexual, verbal, and psychological abuse.
    * Threats against the individual's life or family members' lives.
    * Playing extremely loud music.
    * Choking and pulling out hair (prisoners have been forced to
swallow hair).
    * Intentional tightening of handcuffs (According to Amnesty
International, the handcuffs used by the Israeli Security forces are
in themselves a form of torture, "...the plastic handcuffs tighten on
the detainee's wrist, causing intense pain; former detainees describe
their wrists becoming blue as a result of their tightening and adult
men screaming with pain as they begged to be taken off."
    * Putting head of prisoner in toilet bowl. 6

           Some prisoners are guilty of terrorist acts, including
attempted suicide bombings. As victims of injustice, they have also
committed injustice. Yet international law forbids torturing
prisoners, military or civilian, even to obtain vital information. The
Old Testament, ostensibly respected by Israel's government, also gives
no sanction to torture, even of Israel's bitterest enemies. The
implicit message of the Old Testament is that torture is barbaric,
unthinkable among God's chosen people. 7

Israelis Criticize Torture

           For five months in 1977, the London Sunday Times
investigative team worked inside the West Bank, Gaza, and surrounding
areas to investigate evidence of torture. The team recorded 110,000
words of testimony and found proof of torture "'...through the ten years
of Israeli occupation since 1967'." 8

           The Times presented the cases of 44 tortured Palestinians.
Some of these cases are included in three chapters of the Encyclopedia
of the Palestine Problem, p. 593-672. 9  They confirm that the
following forms of torture have existed in Israel's prison system
since 1967.

           Prisoners were:

    * hung by their wrists for long periods.
    * beaten extensively, over periods of days and months.
    * struck in the genitals, and testicles twisted, squeezed, and
crushed; testicles compressed around an iron ball placed between them.
    * sexually abused - sometimes through "anal assaults," including
homosexual rape and pushing of bottles up rectums.
    * attacked by dogs.
    * beaten on soles of feet.
    * hosed with icy water, forced to sit in blazing sun for hours.
    * penetrated in the penis with a ballpoint pen; metal rods up
urethra, rupturing it.
    * exposed, blindfolded, to the wrath of a raging public, pelted
with rocks and bottles at Israeli football games.
    * forced to drink urine and allow soldiers to urinate in their
mouth.
    * forced to grasp barbed wire and endure electric shock, having
electrodes attached to various parts of the body and enduring shocks
so powerful they lift the victim off the ground; forced to stand in
electrically charged water.
    * hung in crucified position for up to four days in the scorching
sun.
    * hung by feet and used as punching bags for boxers.
    * forced to sit for up to a week with hands over head.
    * forced to "run the gauntlet" of beatings by 8 to 10 soldiers.
    * laid on the floor and jumped on by guards.
    * dragged by rope around neck.
    * beaten and tortured in front of family members, commanded to
rape their daughters.
    * crushed under bulldozers.
    * blindfolded and hung from helicopter.

           In addition, they had:

    * their teeth torn out with pliers; false teeth were smashed.
    * shards of glass pushed deeply into nostrils.
    * a tube pushed up nose with salt water forced into stomach;
batons were jammed in mouth, rupturing throat.
    * ribs, bones, and teeth deliberately broken.

Red Cross Describes Torture

           In Prisoners of Israel, Israeli civil libertarians Ralph
Schoenman and Mya Shone confirm:

        ...the pattern of torture repeated by the Sunday Times is
similar to that found in the hundreds of testimonies published by
Israeli lawyers, Felicia Langer and Lea Tsemel, by Palestinian lawyer
Walid Fahoum, as the accounts we have heard from former prisoners.

        ...this pattern is documented in the West Bank as early as 1968,
one year after the occupation began. Although the International Red
Cross does not make public declarations, it had prepared in 1968 a
finding of torture. Its "Report on the Nablus Prison" concludes:

        "A number of detainees have undergone torture during
interrogation by the military police. According to the evidence, the
torture took the following forms:

            1. Suspension of the detainees by the hands and the
simultaneous traction of his other members for hours at a time until
he loses consciousness.
            2. Burns with cigarette stubs.
            3. Blows with rods on the genitals.
            4. Tying up and blindfolding for days.
            5. Bites by dogs.
            6. Electric shocks at the temples, the mouth, the chest
and testicles." 10

           A report by Amnesty International of August 9, 1982
estimated the number of detainees in the large prison camp of Ansar at
10,000. According to the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights,
the total number of prisoners amounted to approximately 15,000,
including children and elderly persons..."

           As a result, the Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem
tells us "there are many thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese who
are disabled as a result of long years of imprisonment and
torture." (p. 599)

Women Don't Escape Torture

           After 1967, the number of women incarcerated and tortured
grew dramatically.

        One such prisoner, Rasmiya Odeh, says: "The first time they
stripped me and threw me on the floor, the room was full of men --
civilians and soldiers. They laughed at my nakedness and kicked me,
beat me with sticks, punched me all over, especially on the breasts;
my body was covered with bruises. Then they got a wooden stick, not a
smooth one, and pushed it into me to break the hymen. They brought my
father and fiancé to see me. I lost consciousness...

        One time, an interrogator, Abu-Hani, sat me on a chair and sat
himself opposite. He put his legs on the chair on either side of me
and boxed me on the ears until I couldn't hear anymore and brought in
my father and told him to strip and make love to me. "She isn't your
daughter, she's your wife, go on, sleep with her." My father screamed
and they beat him till he lost consciousness. Blood was pouring from
my mouth and nose and I couldn't hear anymore. They dragged him
unconscious from the room. Another time, they stripped me and took me
to a room where men were suspended from the ceiling. They handcuffed
me to the hooks in the ceiling -- it was a pulley system which could
be raised and lowered- and then chained my feet to the ground, wide
apart, and raised me so only the tips of my toes touched the ground.
They said they had been going to rape me, but I was too dirty for them
and they would instead get some prisoners who hadn't seen a woman for
a long time." 11

           The Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem says, "The
tortures recounted in this chapter [such as the above] have been
duplicated en masse on thousands of Palestinian women detainees of all
ages." (p. 671)

           Isn't it significant that a number of Israeli torture
experts instructed US interrogators at the US military base of Abu
Ghraib in Iraq several years ago? They taught American soldiers the
same torture techniques used in Israeli prisons. 12 It is also
chilling that the Bush administration, allowing "coercion" torture of
Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo, uses virtually the same evasive
language as Israel. Bill Quigley, professor of law at Loyola
University in New Orleans, says 44 detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan
have died in U.S. captivity, having been hooded, strangled, gagged, or
beaten with blunt objects. 13

           All civil liberties/humanitarian groups that monitor
Israeli torture indicate that the Israeli government at every level,
>from the premier and Shin Bet (equivalent to our FBI) down to the
military police, colludes with torture.  As a result, Ha'aretz says,
"It is no surprise that no Shin Bet interrogators have been found
guilty of torturing a suspect..." 14

Why Should We Care?

           In Nazi Germany, Hitler's SS tortured people "inferior" to
the "master race." Similarly, Israel's torture of Palestinians is
fueled by Talmudic teachings which assert that Gentiles are inferior
to the "chosen race" ... Jews.  (See, The Talmud: Scalpel that Bleeds
the Mideast)

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/talmudscalpel.html

           Should torture in Israeli prisons concern us as Americans?
What about the millions of evangelical Christians who staunchly
support Israel?

           The Bible says someday Christians will also be incarcerated
in Israeli prisons. Describing the events of the last days before His
second coming, Christ said, "They will lay their hands on you and will
persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons..." (Luke
21:12) During this future worldwide Jewish persecution of Christians,
the same penal hellholes that now muffle the screams of thousands of
tortured Palestinians will also cage Christians.

           Why would Israel imprison Christians?

           For anti-Christian Jewish activists, there is no greater
criminal in history than Jesus Christ. Such Jews believe that, by
vilifying the Pharisees (modern Judaism's greatest guiding lights),
Jesus began an evil trend of suspicion toward Judaism, a movement that
New Testament writers and later church fathers magnified through "anti-
Semitic" depiction of Jews as "Christ killers." Many Jews believe that
anti-Semitism comes from Christianity; they believe the New Testament
"blood charge" that Jews had Christ crucified spawned nearly 2000
years of living hell for the Jewish people, culminating in the
Holocaust. (See, ADL's Foxman: New Testament is Anti-Semitic)

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/ntantisemitic.html

           When Sarah Silverman in her film Jesus is Magic said, "I
hope the Jews did kill Christ. I'd f---ing do it again in a second,"
she expressed a historic Jewish point of view: If Jesus had been
smothered in His cradle, a world of Jewish suffering would have been
avoided. Activist Jews of ADL/B'nai B'rith consider the accusation
that the Jews had Christ murdered so evil they have included it as one
of the 14 criteria of anti-Semitism published by their Office of
Global Anti-Semitism in the US State Department. (See, Global Hate
Crimes Gestapo Being Created) Such "anti-Semitism" is now a hate crime
punishable by the B'nai B'rith hate laws in Canada with huge fines and
even prison. 15

           Already, Jewish activists in high places can deport and
imprison those who offend them. At the insistence of B'nai B'rith
International, Holocaust reductionists Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolph
were extradited from Canada and America and imprisoned in Germany for
violating Germany's B'nai B'rith-inspired "anti-hate" laws.

           Knesset can now demand from any nation extradition of those
who publicly question the accuracy of the six-million figure of the
Holocaust. 16  If nations accept this request and deport citizens to
Israel, such victims may be tried there for "crimes against the Jewish
people" and sent to Israeli prisons where they may be tortured
alongside Palestinians.

           Knesset is also deliberating legislation that would make it
a federal crime for visiting evangelicals, and even resident Jewish
Christians, to witness publicly for Christ in Israel. 17 Penalty: a
year in an Israeli prison, again possibly facing the same tortures
meted to Palestinians. In the book of Acts, Christians who publicly
witnessed for Christ in the streets of Jerusalem faced imprisonment
and possible flogging (torture). The same is becoming true today.

           Ultimately, Christians may be "delivered" from the nations
to Israel for the "crime" of supporting those who caused the Holocaust
-- Jesus and the New Testament writers.

Time for Christians to Suffer

           Today, few evangelical Christians have sympathy for Arab
suffering. "Israel first" evangelicals view Palestinians as
Satanically driven opponents to God's chosen people, Israel. They
consider Israel the apple of His eye, blessed and intimately guided
>from above, especially in military victories.  One pastor frankly told
me God is really interested only in the Jews. "He's pretty much
written off the whole Arab world." Reflecting this mentality, most
evangelicals pledge themselves to unconditionally support Israel.

           Yet when Christ's words are fulfilled and the church
suffers imprisonment and torture at the hands of Jewish leaders, a few
believers will suffer with a clear conscience. They did not assist,
but resisted, the rise of the anti-Christ system that now oppresses
them. They had compassion on its first victims, the Palestinians, as
would the gentle Jesus.

           Most imprisoned evangelicals will not have this
consolation. They will remember how they and their fathers blindly
encouraged the ascent of the Great Harlot, Israel, and stopped their
ears from hearing the cries of her victims.

           The Palestinians have suffered without mercy or justice
>from most evangelicals for at least 60 years. Someday it will be the
turn of evangelicals to scream from undreamed of tortures in Israeli
prisons and also be unheard by a hostile and indifferent world.



Endnotes:

1.  In his 50-page report, the UN special investigator on torture,
Nigel Rodley said Israel told him, "...that its law forbade all forms of
torture or maltreatment and it was in full conformity with the 1987
Convention Against Torture which it has ratified." Yet, he goes on to
relate how his investigations confirmed that practices amounting to
torture, such as sleep deprivation, hooding, and violent shaking, were
going on at the same time.  Reuters, March 23, 1997, "UN Investigator
Says Israel Tortures Palestinians."

2. "Israel Admits Torture," www.news.bbc.co.uk, Feb. 9, 2000.
http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/

3.  Human Rights Watch, www.hrw.org, "Memorandum: Israel's Second
Periodic Report to the Committee Against Torture," May 1998.
http://www.hrw.org/

4.  www.palestinemonitor.org, Fact Sheet of Torture of Palestinians,
Aug. 17, 2007. The Monitor says, "According to Amnesty International,
since 2001, Israeli authorities '....have actually continued and
intensified implementation of a policy of torture, cruel, inhuman or
degrading treatment, and collective punishment against Palestinians...'"

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/

5.  "Israel and the Occupied Territories: Shaking as a Form of
Torture. Death in Custody of Abdal Al-Samad Harizat. A Medicological
Report by Physicians for Human Rights, October 1995,"
http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/library/documents/reports/israel-and-the-occupied.pdf.

http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/library/documents/reports/israel-and-the-occupied.pdf

6.  www.palestinemonitor.org, Fact Sheet of Torture of Palestinians,
Aug. 17, 2007.

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/

7.  The altruism of the Old Testament toward one's vanquished enemies
is revealed in II Kings 6:22: "Would you kill those you have taken
captive?  Set bread and water before them that they may eat and drink
and return." As a result of Israel's kindness to a captured invading
foe, "marauding bands of Arameans did not come again into the land of
Israel."

8.  Schoenman and Shone, Prisoners of Israel, Santa Barbara, CA,
Veritas Press, 1984, p.13.

9.  Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem, Intercontinental Books,
Nov. 1991. Edited by Christian Palestinian lawyer and diplomat Dr.
Issa Nakhleh, this 2-volume work is available at most university
libraries.

10. Prisoners of Israel, p. 594.

11. Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem, p. 646.

12.  Columnist Wayne Madsen writes, "According to a political
appointee within the Bush administration and U.S. intelligence
sources, the interrogators at Abu Ghraib included a number of Arabic-
speaking Israelis... who also helped U.S. interrogators develop the
'R21' (resistance to interrogation) techniques.  Many of the torture
methods were developed by the Israelis over many years of
interrogating Arab prisoners in the occupied West Bank and in Israel
itself." www.counterpunch.org, "The Israeli Torture Template: Rape,
Feces and Urine," August 17, 2007.

13.  "Priests Expose Secret Cycle of U.S. Torture," Brenda Norrell,
www.counterpunch.org, Aug. 13, 2007.
http://www.counterpunch.org/

14.  www.haaretz.com, "Torture in Israel Has Again Become Routine,"
Aug. 18, 2003. The Palestine Committee against Torture concludes,
"....not a single GSS interrogator has been brought to trial since
1994," PCAP, Sept. 2004, cited by the Palestinian Monitor.

http://www.haaretz.com/

15.  I asked a friend in Toronto what would happen if he publicly
stated that the Jews had Christ killed.  "Ted," he replied, "I'd be
playing with fire. The police might come and arrest me."

16.  On June 20, 2004 the Jerusalem Post reported that Israel's
Knesset empowered the State of Israel to criminalize anyone in the
world who publicly reduces the six-million figure. The government is
now authorized to request extradition to Israel of such alleged "hate
criminals" from any nation. Israel can also seize, prosecute, and
imprison them should they set foot in Israel.

17. Since 1977, Israel's anti-missionary law has decreed 5 years in
prison for any non-Jew who attempts to convert a Jew from his
religion, making use of a material enticement (tract, cup of coffee,
etc.). This law has not been strictly enforced out of fear of losing
evangelical favor and tourist dollars. Israeli law also requires a 6-
month prison term for anyone, Gentile or Jew, encouraging conversion
of a Jewish minor. This spring, the Shas party (equal in votes to
Likud) proposed that attempts to convert a Jew of any age in Israel
should be punished by 1 year in prison. "Shas Seeks Harsher Penalties
for Missionaries," Mar. 14, 2007, 
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3376215,00.html.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3376215,00.html

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 >Many citizens concerned by the undue influence of the Israel lobby are
>dismayed by the action of the US Congress that adopts resolution after
>resolution favoring Israel with nary of word about its failure to make
>peace with the Palestinians, whose land it inhabits, or with its neighbors,
>whose borders it abutts. Last year Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, two
>professors from prestigious American universities, began a public debate on
>the power of the lobby - a cause long advocated by the Council for the
>National Interest - giving hope that a public airing of the American Israel
>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), its work, financing, and political
>connections would help Americans understand the gross misdirection of
>Middle East foreign policy over the last forty years. Grant F. Smith's new
>book, Foreign Agents, decisively pushes this debate forward and shows just
>how brazen and criminal the lobby has acted since its beginnings.
>
>Smith traces the development of AIPAC from its early days under founder Si
>Kenen, who in 1947 registered with the US Department of Justice under the
>Foreign Agents Registration Act as an employee of the American Zionist
>Committee for Public Affairs. He was representing himself then as an agent
>working for Israel. He continued to register as a foreign agent during the
>late forties and fifties, working for various organizations funded by the
>Israel government, but in 1959, the name of the American Zionist Committee
>was changed to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) to
>better reflect, as Kenen said, that it "raised its funds from both Zionists
>and non-Zionists." Its focus of work never changed, which was to promote
>the cause of Israel in both the executive and legislation branches of
>government, yet the organization no longer filed as a foreign agent. AIPAC
>eventually developed an extensive grassroots national network of
>organizations that engaged in all manner of illegal activities, from
>transgressing federal elections laws, to economic and industrial espionage,
>to flouting congressional laws regarding the use of arms exported to
>foreign countries, and passing classified and secret information to the
>Israeli government via the Israeli embassy in Washington. In 2005, after a
>nine-year investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, two of
>AIPAC's top officials were arrested for espionage, and the role that AIPAC
>played over the years as a covert agent for Israel was given unusual light.
>
>The book uses as a primary source the historic and remarkable hearings that
>Senator William Fulbright held in 1963 to investigate the "activities of
>agents of foreign principals in the United States." The Committee's aim was
>to look at the work of all organizations working on behalf of foreign
>countries, but in the process it discovered that the American Zionist
>Committee (AZC) was funded by the Jewish Agency, an arm of the Israeli
>government, and by the Israeli embassy, although its principals were not
>registered as foreign agents. The hearings disclosed the secret world of
>the AZC and the Jewish Agency, finding a pattern of money laundering that
>became a hallmark of AIPAC in the years to come. Both the Agency and the
>embassy typically hid the support that they provided by using private
>foundations and individuals as fronts so that it would appear the AZC was
>funded by American, not foreign, sources. Thus they bypassed the terms of
>the Foreign Agent Registration Act and sought to obscure their aim, which
>was to represent the interests of the Israeli government.
>
>To measure the influence of the emerging lobby, Smith covers a wide
>spectrum of illegal and criminal activity. He begins by examining AIPAC's
>efforts to promote Israeli economic interests to the disadvantage of
>American workers. During the 1984 negotiations that preceded the creation
>of a "US-Israel Free Trade Agreement," AIPAC obtained a copy of the
>classified document spelling out the American negotiating strategy. Thus
>Israeli negotiators were aware of American positions well in advance of the
>meeting. AIPAC then managed to persuade the House Ways and Means Committee
>to provide special protections for Israeli imports of certain products
>should a free-trade zone be established. Even Congressional members, with
>long experience in Israeli lobby tactics, couldn't help but notice AIPAC's
>heavy hand in this instance.
>
>The pressure exerted by AIPAC during congressional and presidential
>elections is well known, though consistently denied by the organization.
>Smith here focuses on the California Senate race of 1986 and the role
>played by Michael Goland, a real estate developer, who contributed $1
>million via various conduits to derail a potential dangerous opponent of
>Sen. Alan Cranston, who was seeking reelection that year and was an AIPAC
>favorite. Goland was convicted and sentenced to imprisonment for election
>fraud. Goland had been a member of the board of AIPAC and had been highly
>visible in AIPAC's successful effort to unseat Sen. Charles Percy of
>Illinois in 1984.
>
>AIPAC also had a hand in the defeat of Sen. Fulbright in 1968, and of
>Congressman Paul Findley in 1986. Findley's series of books about the
>lobby, especially his Dare to Speak Out, have been noted for the light they
>have thrown on the power of the lobby and its illegal activities.
>
>AIPAC set up a series of political action committees (PACs), all with
>innocuous names, with the aim of influencing the election of congressional
>representatives all over the country. It made sure that internal firewalls,
>as Smith describes them, were set up so that no one could detect AIPAC's
>hand. But the line between them and the actions of the committees was
>hardly invisible. One "activist," a Chicago businessman, attempted to
>explain in a New York Times interview in 1987 how he and AIPAC operated
>independently, in the course of which it became apparent that the opposite
>was true, that there was tight coordination between AIPAC and dozens on
>pro-Israel committees. In 1988 the Washington Post published an internal
>AIPAC memo, reproduced in Foreign Agents, revealing now active AIPAC was in
>illegally coordinating PAC distributions to favored candidates.
>
>The many instances of election fraud prompted a group of former US
>government officials to sue the Federal Election Commission for failure to
>require AIPAC to publish details of its income and expenditures, which
>political action committees are required to do. Among this group were
>George Ball, former secretary of state, Paul Findley, former congressman
>and founder of the Council for the National Interest, Andrew Kilgore,
>publisher of the Washington Report for Middle East Affairs and former
>ambassador to Qatar, and James Akin, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia.
>The FEC delivered a report on the complaint that cleared the PACs but
>professed a desire to further study the actions of AIPAC, but in fact the
>chief complaints were ignored. Appeals to the Supreme Court were turned
>aside on various points and the case remains in legal limbo to this day.
>
>In the last twenty years, AIPAC has continued to develop its political
>networks. Steve Rosen, AIPAC Director of Policy, notoriously likened the
>lobby to "a night flower. It thrives in the dark and dies in the sun." It
>funds dozens of congressional "educational" trips to Israel every year
>through its affiliate the American Israel Education Foundation; it
>continues to publish Si Kenen's Near East Report, which serves as a
>propaganda arm of the Israel government; it established a "think tank," the
>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which maintains a roster of
>"experts" providing cover for Israeli government positions (many of whose
>Board members have served as Board members of AIPAC); it maintains a large
>public relations office in Manhattan; and works in tandem with the new
>Saban Center for Middle East Policy, whose president, Martin Indyk, was
>deputy director of AIPAC and a former US ambassador to Israel. Thus Middle
>East policy at Brookings Institution, once a formidable independent think
>tank, has been usurped by pro-Israeli interests.
>
>The growing arrogance of AIPAC, which in recent years acted with brazen
>impunity, was not unnoticed by the FBI counterintelligience which began
>probing the organization's activities as far back as 1999. In 2005, Col.
>Lawrence Franklin, who was working in the office of Douglas Feith,
>Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, was arrested and charged with giving
>classified documents to two top officials at AIPAC who passed them on to
>the Israeli embassy. The information concerned US positions toward Iran.
>The AIPAC officials were also arrested and charged with espionage. Lawrence
>was found guilty and sentenced to 12 years and seven months in prison and
>fined $10,000 for passing classified information to AIPAC and an Israeli
>diplomat. The trial against Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman has been
>delayed on several occasions and is now scheduled to begin in January 2008.
> The espionage charges have been dropped. A full analysis of the trial and
>its various permutations can be found in Smith's Chapter Five.
>
>The case appropriately summarizes the extent of the illegalities that AIPAC
>has engaged in since its beginnings some fifty years ago. Senator Fulbright
>was on to something much bigger than even he could have imagined. Spawned
>by the Jewish Agency, it has abetted efforts that have encouraged
>"charitable" organizations in the US to contribute more than US $50 billion
>to illegal settlements in Gaza and the West Bank while appropriating and
>developing lands that belong to Palestinians. The money laundering
>activities of the Agency and the US donors have been brought to the
>attention of the US Department of Justice, thanks to work by the Institute
>for Research: Middle Eastern Policy and the Council for the National
>Interest but as yet no action has taken place to stop the illegal
>operations. As Smith states, "This follows an established pattern of law
>enforcement failures since the Fulbright foreign agent hearings."
>
>Foreign Agents shines light on the murky world of AIPAC and its efforts to
>divert policy and push Israel's rightwing interventionist agenda in
>Washington. It garnered support for a war and occupation of Iraq in
>Congress. Contrary to the assertions of many now claiming how AIPAC was
>not promoting war, Smith documents how it helped prompt the American
>invasion of Iraq and now threatens to coordinate an intervention by the US
>in Iran. The consequences for the American public have been huge, as the
>response to Hurricane Katrina made clear, and has rendered the US the least
>popular country in the world. The book also discusses in detail how
>tenuous are AIPAC's claims to even be a legally constituted nonprofit
>corporation. Most of all, it serves to remind us that the American Israel
>Public Affairs Committee does not serve US interests, but works as a
>foreign agent for the government of Israel and should be required to
>register as a foreign agent. Only then will be operations and financing be
>made transparent and public. In fact, this book makes a convincing case
>that America - and the world - would be better off without AIPAC.
>
>Ordering Information
>Members may order a copy from CNIF by sending us a check for $14.95. That
>includes the cost of postage and handling.
> 




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"Tell it like it is."  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 1, 5:07 am, RJ11  wrote:
>> In article <0ndCi.30509$mp6.21...@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ElParedon  wrote:
>> > "RJ11"  wrote in 
>> > messagenews:fbbnfp$n42$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> >>   
>>
>> >>   "Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was
>> >> that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women
>> >> and children," he [U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland] said.
>> >> "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and
>> >> that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think
>> >> anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead
>> >> than armed men."
>>
>> >>   
>>
>> >>  http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/67386.html
>>
>> >>   "In a letter to the editor of the Berlin daily Der Tagesspiegel,
>> >> Dr Mounir Herzallah, a Lebanese Shia, presents a very cogent and
>> >> first-hand eyewitness report. He describes how, after Israel's
>> >> withdrawal from southern Lebanon, Hizbollah stored rockets in bunkers
>> >> in his town and built a school and residence over it."
>> > I guess you think, that Hezbollah should fight ZioNazis with sticks and
>> > stones! Funny!
>>
>>    I think that Hezbollah and Hamas should stop hiding among
>> women and children.  Clearly,  they are intentionally causing
>> the death of their own civilians.  To the Islamists,  nothing
>> is cheaper than the lives of their so-called "Muslim brothers";
>> look how they're butchering other Muslims in Gaza and Iraq.
>>
>> RJ.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>                    The Koran is LAW in muslim countries.
It is not! Except in the Corporation of Saudia!


The Hebrew
> Scriptures are treated likewise in Israel. A pure theocracy may be
> obsolete in modern times unless muslims can make official law less
> inhumane concerning women
And what "law" is abusive of women?

for example and keep abreast of modernity.
> Israel must conform to Scriptures in some sane way to call itself
> Israel.
Which "scriptures"?  Talmud? Have you read Talmud? It is ten times more 
abusive of women and children than anything else

>                How do you solve that dilemma in a theocratic region
> of the earth without the jewish comedian's desire to make a mockery of
> THE HOLY LAND?
That is not a dilema at all. So far as I am concerned they can do whatever 
they like

Muslims more modern and Eretz Israel more moral?
Israel has a problem, and the problem is that it is a fascist state, abusing 
all minorities. Shake that off and you may have a deal

> Muslims need to conform more to the needs of modernity and Israel more
> to her ancient scriptures.
Are you suggesting that muslims should start drinking wine?

Unless you believe the ancient scholars
> aren't as smart as you, and never thought about the important
> questions that have always puzzled mankind, and that every HUMAN BEING
You have obviously never read the Holy Quran which is just as aplicable 
today as it was then


> asks their mother and father at least once in their lifetime: Where do
> I come from?
> Does a democratic Muslim country mean the Koran is NOT LAW?
Holy Quran is not a law in any muslim country, just a guide to the moral 
code of ethics and morality

That would
> mean Israel is not validly in the Middle East.

It has never existed as far as I am concerned. Israel has ruled the occupied 
Palestine, and pretended to be a "country"
> 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 1, 10:38 am, RJ11  wrote:
>>    "How many times do we have to tell you that wikipedia is NOT
>> an unbiased source. It is a pro-yid site which should be shut down." --
>> posted by the Australian neo-Nazi activist "Benjamin Cramer",
>> Message-ID: .
>>
>> RJ.
>
> You have the opposite in effect as well, with one Jeffrey Gillis, aka
> "Theodore Herzl" who has stated in another thread that he wants to
> legalize hate speech.

IN A FREE COUNTRY ALL SPEECH IS LEGAL!
IF JEWS CAN MALIGN ARABS AND OTHERS, THERE IS NO REASON THAT THEY SHOULD NOT 
GET THEIRS BACK DOUBLE PORTION 




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On Sep 1, 12:40 pm, Reargunner  wrote:
> I like option 2 but I will take 1, 3 I assure you I am not!
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=REAR+GUNNER
>
> REAR GUNNER
> 24 up, 6 down
>
> A very brave bloke who sat for hours in the rear gun turret of a WW2
> bomber
YOU ARE A FUCKING LIARBERNARD, YOU HAVE NEVER SERVED ON NO MAN;S ARMY.
YPU8;IE A;; THE TIME



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On Sep 1, 9:18 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> Yes Alex
>
> The Palestine Liberation Organization Executive Committee will meet
> Saturday to discuss Friday's clashes between Hamas and Fatah in the Gaza
> Strip, which left some 20 people wounded, Israel Radio reported.
>
> According to the radio, Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas'

That Jewish son of a whore better preparefor Paradise, he is finished.
Hamas was elected Abbas was not



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      by Christopher Bollyn


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Who controls the "hidden hand" in the U.S. mass media that censors and 
suppresses the crucial 9-11 evidence? What is the nexus connecting the 
architects of 9-11 with the mass media moguls who are covering up the truth?


The on-going cover-up of the evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 and 
explosions in the World Trade Center by the U.S. mass media is indicative of 
a high-level connection between the architects of the "false flag" terror 
attacks and the media moguls who control the major news networks in the 
United States.


As a longtime observer of Israel and the Middle East, I have watched how the 
U.S. mass media has increasingly become an instrument of Israeli propaganda. 
As Zionists have extended their grip on American media networks the major 
television, radio, film and print media outlets have effectively become 
propaganda tools of a foreign state - Israel - and are used to manipulate 
U.S. public opinion to support the Zionist agenda. The painfully obvious 
anti-Arab and anti-Islamic bias of Hollywood films and news-related programs 
has become ever more extreme as pro-Israel Zionists have achieved near total 
control of the U.S. mass media.


It needs to be understood that the Zionist conquest of the U.S. mass media 
did not simply happen by chance or as a result of natural market forces. It 
is the planned result of a long-term covert strategy put into effect decades 
ago by the government of Israel to control the news and entertainment 
networks that inform how Americans view Zionism, Israel, and the Middle 
East.


The Israelis realized that if they could control what Americans read, see, 
and hear about Zionism, Israel, and the Middle East then they would be able 
to control how they think. Controlling U.S. public opinion is crucial to 
realizing the Zionist agenda.


Zionist control of the the major media networks has resulted in Americans 
getting an extremely distorted and biased view of the world, particularly of 
the Middle East and of such significant events as 9-11 and the "War on 
Terror."


Understanding the strategy and the people behind Israel's conquest of the 
American mass media is an essential step to recovering our national 
sovereignty.


As an independent journalist and 9-11 researcher, I have seen how 
Zionist-controlled media outlets are actively engaged in covering up the 
evidence of Israeli involvement in the "false flag" attacks of 9-11 and the 
Zionist-planned "War on Terror." I have personally been subjected to 6 years 
of slander and defamation from a host of Zionist-controlled news outlets, 
including CNN and FOX News, simply because I have investigated and written 
about the evidence of Israeli involvement.


Today, the United States of America is by all appearances an 
Israeli-occupied state. The U.S. Congress dutifully authorizes the annual 
payment of an immense tribute to Israel, some three thousand million dollars 
a year.


Like a subservient colony, the United States provides hundreds of thousands 
of its young men and women to fight and die as mercenaries in 
Zionist-planned wars in the Middle East. The tens of thousands of American 
and European Christian soldiers and mercenaries fighting in Iraq and 
Afghanistan are very similar to the former Mamluks of Baghdad - captured 
"male white slaves" serving their Zionist rulers.


This dismal situation is, of course, not new. It has only become more 
obvious and extreme. The United States has provided more than $108 billion 
in direct aid to the state of Israel since 1949 (Washington Report, July 
2006) and the U.S. State Dept. recently promised the Israeli military 
another $30 billion over the next ten years - a 25 percent increase from the 
present level.


Hundreds, if not thousands, of U.S. soldiers have died as a result of 
serving on or near the front lines in Israel's wars. The 241 American 
marines killed in the Beirut bombing of 1983 and the 34 servicemen killed 
during the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty are the first that come to 
mind.


Nearly 4,000 American men and women have died during the current phase, the 
occupation stage, of the 16-year war against Iraq. The U.S.-led invasion and 
occupation of Iraq, an illegal war of aggression, is clearly a 
Zionist-planned war in which Americans and other mercenaries actually do the 
fighting - and dying.


WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?


The obvious question is where is the outrage? Where is the spiritual, 
intellectual, and political resistance to this blatant exploitation of 
Americans and their national resources by a tiny foreign state with a 
militant and racist ideology? Why do patriotic Americans tolerate this abuse 
of the "land of the free and the home of the brave?"


While the power of the Israeli lobby (and an occasional murder) may explain 
the lack of any significant political resistance in the U.S. Congress to 
Zionist demands, it can not explain how the American population has come to 
accept this extremely bizarre and abusive relationship with a foreign state.


How has Zionist control of the United States been foisted onto the American 
people?


ZIONIST DECEPTIONS


Many Americans willingly accept the extremely one-sided and abusive 
relationship with Israel because they have internalized three fundamental 
Zionist deceptions, which have been forced into their brains by the 
controlled mass media.


The first is the religious hoax that equates the modern state of Israel with 
the Israel of the Bible. This religious fraud elevates modern-day Israelis, 
regardless of their actual ethnicity, to being the rightful heirs of the 
Promised Land. Although this hoax is quickly revealed to anyone who actually 
reads Zionist history, it has been successfully foisted onto millions of 
extremely naive and gullible Christians. These misled and abused people are 
often referred to as Christian Zionists.


The second fundamental Zionist deception is that Israel is a "sister 
democracy" of the United States and that Israelis and Americans share the 
same "democratic" values. This lie is also quickly exposed by reading 
Israeli history or visiting Israeli-occupied Palestine. The only Americans 
who could possibly share Israeli values are those who believe in Jewish 
racism and supremacism - the central pillar of the Zionist worldview that is 
completely un-American.


The third Zionist deception is that 19 Arab Muslims under the leadership of 
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Osama bin Laden were behind the 9-11 attacks at 
the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. This deception has been used to 
usher in the Zionist-planned "War on Terror," which has brought U.S. and 
European troops into an extensive long-term Middle Eastern war.


Why hasn't the media interviewed the families of the 19 suspected hijackers? 
Why does the media not demand an open trial for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the 
alleged "mastermind" of 9-11, currently held by the U.S. in Guantanamo? Why 
is the media treatment of these people only as deep as their photos?


While the first two deceptions are primarily philosophical in nature and 
rather pointless to argue, the 9-11 deception is painfully real and 
something we allow to continue at our own peril.


"AUSCHWITZ OF THE MIND"


These Zionist deceptions, which are all demonstrably false, have been 
carefully planted and cultivated in the minds of millions of people through 
the devices of the Zionist-controlled media.


Zionist domination of the mass media and academia in the United States is so 
pervasive that Americans are subjected, like Truman Burbank in the film The 
Truman Show, to a constant barrage of multi-level deception, as if the 
entire population were living in a false construction - an "Auschwitz of the 
mind."


Like the false world of Truman Burbank, the Zionist-created worldview is so 
overwhelming that it prevents many people from ever realizing that they are 
being held mentally captive. Even when we peel away the layers of deception 
and expose the fraud, somehow the show goes on. For the criminals in high 
places, the show must go on.


The first deception, the religious hoax of the Zionist state's connection to 
the biblical Israel, is doctrine to television evangelists like Pat 
Robertson and his Christian Coalition, while the second and third have 
become "conventional wisdom" for the U.S. news and entertainment media.


Because millions of Americans have accepted and internalized these 
Zionist-created falsehoods they are unable to understand the actual 
realities of the Middle East or the massive fraud of the "War on Terror." 
The controlled media is careful to censor any information that might disturb 
the perverse worldview of America's 40 million Christian Zionists who are 
kept in the darkness like children locked in a closet.


ZIONISM - "THE REAL ENEMY OF THE JEWS"


When, for example, the highly-regarded Israeli historian Avi Shlaim wrote 
his 2005 editorial entitled "Is Zionism today the real enemy of the Jews?" 
his comments were published in the International Herald Tribune (IHT), which 
is read in 180 nations, but kept out of the pages of The New York Times, the 
domestic newspaper of its parent company.


Now, why would the New York Times, whose motto is "All The News That's Fit 
to Print," censor the viewpoint of a reknowned Israeli historian writing on 
the causes of modern anti-Semitism?


What did Shlaim say that the editors at the Times thought was unfit for 
Americans to read?


"Israel's image today is negative not because it is a Jewish state but 
because it habitually transgresses the norms of acceptable international 
behavior. Indeed, Israel is increasingly perceived as a rogue state, as an 
international pariah, and as a threat to world peace," Shlaim, an Iraqi Jew 
who was born in Baghdad, wrote.


"This perception of Israel is a major factor in the recent resurgence of 
anti-Semitism in Europe and in the rest of the world. In this sense, Zionism 
today is the real enemy of the Jews."


When one understands that the primary function of the Zionist-controlled 
media is to keep Americans in the dark about the Middle East and Zionism, it 
becomes clear why Shlaim's article was published in the international 
publication owned by the New York Times but kept from their U.S. readership. 
Shlaim's comments would have greatly disturbed the carefully cultivated 
Zionist worldview of millions of Americans - both Jews and Gentiles - an 
audience that is both protected and held captive.


THE MEDIA COVER-UP OF 9-11


As an independent journalist I have seen how many important stories have 
been covered-up or ignored by the controlled media. I have written about 
many of these suppressed stories, such as the sinking of Estonia, the 
downing of Flight TWA 800, and the dangers of depleted uranium. At the top 
of my list, however, is the most egregious and criminal cover-up of the 
evidence of 9-11.


"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the 
world is deception and disinformation," German intelligence expert Andreas 
von Bulow told me in December 2001. This deception is widely propagated in 
the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists 
don't even raise the simplest questions," he said. "Those who differ are 
labeled as crazy."


After the London press conference during Jimmy Walter's 2005 European 9-11 
Truth tour, two reporters from the BBC were eager to interview me.


"Why are you the only journalist who does not believe the official 
explanation of what happened on 9-11?" was their first question.


Photo link: http://www.bollyn.com/public/BBC_interviewing_Bollyn.jpg



If that were the case, I told them, it is probably due to the fact that 
others who had questioned the official version had lost their jobs as a 
result. The van was leaving for the hotel so I decided to cut the interview 
short. I could see where the interview was heading.


When FOX News and CNN interviewed me on the pretense that they were 
interested in my 9-11 research and evidence, all they really wanted to do 
was to smear me as an anti-Semite. In both cases the interviewers were 
clearly not at all interested in the 9-11 evidence or my research.


"WOE BETIDE HIM..."


"The dissident cannot be taken seriously," the veteran British journalist 
Roland Huntford wrote about the mass media in his book The New 
Totalitarians. "There is a range of tolerated opinions, and a narrow one it 
is: woe betide him who departs from it."


While Huntford was writing about the controlled media of Sweden in the 
1970s, his comments hold true for the Zionist-controlled mass media in the 
United States today, particularly when the subject is 9-11 or Israel.


I, for example, have paid a very high price for investigating and writing 
about the evidence that contradicts the government's version of what 
happened on 9-11. The first attack came from the Anti-Defamation League of 
B'nai B'rith (ADL) in November 2001.


The ADL, a private organization dedicated to supporting Zionist and Israeli 
interests, first smeared the American Free Press, the newspaper I wrote for, 
as a "conspiratorial and anti-Semitic weekly newspaper," which it said had 
"repeatedly turned to the subject of the 9-11 attacks as grist for its 
mill."


The ADL then singled me out for my article "Some Survivors Say Bombs 
Exploded Inside WTC" in which, the ADL said, "Bollyn suggests that the 
'mainstream media' is ignoring eyewitness accounts of bombs that exploded 
inside the World Trade Center before the collapse of the Twin Towers."


See: http://www.adl.org/terrorism_america/saying_121101.asp


I did, indeed. The first line of my article said exactly that:


Despite reports from numerous eyewitnesses and experts, including news 
reporters on the scene, who heard or saw explosions immediately before the 
collapse of the World Trade Center, there has been virtual silence in the 
mainstream media.

But, I asked, why would an organization dedicated to Israeli and Jewish 
interests attack me, as a journalist, for writing about eyewitness reports 
of explosions in the World Trade Center? What did my writing about this 
extremely newsworthy subject have to do with Israel or Jews?


Had my BBC interview gone on, I might have asked why the BBC editors had 
ignored and censored the comments of their own reporter, Steve Evans, who 
had been in the South Tower (WTC 2) when it was hit and who reported having 
observed a "series of explosions."


Shortly after the destruction of the WTC, the BBC interviewed Evans on their 
television news program based in London. Because Evans' observations were 
ignored by the BBC and not followed up, I wrote about his report of the 
explosions he felt in the South Tower:


Evans was asked what he had seen: "Its more what I felt really," Evans said. 
"I was at the base of the 2nd tower, the second tower that was hit. There 
was an explosion - I didn't think it was an explosion - but the base of the 
building shook. I felt it shake . then when we were outside, the second 
explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions."

At this point the London news anchor cut Evans off in mid-sentence rather 
than listen to Evans continue to describe the "series of explosions" that he 
saw and felt. Evans' microphone was turned down.


But in a minute Evans returns to the "series of explosions" that he 
witnessed: "We can only wonder at the kind of damage - the kind of human 
damage - which was caused by those explosions - those series of explosions," 
Evans said.


Evans is a professional journalist and his observations of explosions in the 
second tower need to be taken into account by anybody looking into the cause 
of the catastrophe of September 11. Many eyewitnesses have reported similar 
explosions, but these reports, and what they suggest, are intentionally 
being censored and avoided by the very people who are supposed to be 
investigating the cause of the collapses.


The same kind of censorship occurred with FOX News, CNN, and the leading 
U.S. news networks that had reporters at the World Trade Center. Firsthand 
reports of explosions at the WTC from professional reporters were broadcast 
only once - and never picked up again, except by the much-despised 
"conspiracy theorists."


The news reports that five Middle Eastern men were being sought or had been 
captured in New Jersey after they had videotaped themselves celebrating in 
front of the burning towers were treated in the same way. The arrest of the 
five men, all Israelis, two of whom were known Mossad agents, was only 
reported in the Bergen Record (New Jersey) on September 12, 2001 - but never 
discussed or investigated by the national news networks.


ISRAELIS FOREWARNED


Likewise, the story of the Odigo text message warning of the attacks - 
before they occurred - was dropped into the media's memory hole. The instant 
text messages, which were precise to the minute, had been sent via the 
Israeli-owned Odigo instant messaging service and had even been received by 
Odigo employees in Israel, but the story of Israelis having prior knowledge 
of the attacks was never discussed in the U.S. mass media.


How did the news editors at the BBC, FOX News, CNN, and the leading networks 
decide to censor their own reporters and avoid discussing certain aspects of 
9-11?


Let's look at this logically. 9-11 was the biggest story these news editors 
had ever handled. Suffice it to say that the editorial decisions about how 
to cover 9-11 must have been made by the boss at the top. Any decision to 
omit or censor reports about explosions at the World Trade Center or 
indications of Israeli involvement would have been made by the senior 
executive of each network.


In the case of CNN it would have been Gerald M. Levin, the CEO of Time 
Warner, who acquired Turner Broadcasting in 1997. (Levin unexpectedly 
announced his resignation in December 2001, less than three months after 
9-11.)


At FOX News the top decision maker would have been Rupert Murdoch, CEO of 
News Corp.


At ABC News it would have been Michael D. Eisner, CEO of Disney, the 
network's parent company.


Were the media moguls Murdoch, Levin, and Eisner involved in 9-11? How else 
could they know that certain aspects of the event needed to be suppressed by 
their news networks? Their networks have been suppressing important 
information about 9-11 for 6 years now. They have been actively involved in 
a conspiracy to cover-up the truth. How can that be? Who is behind this 
cover-up?


What occult power, what hidden hand, would be able to communicate with these 
men and influence them to suppress important reports and evidence from the 
terror attacks of 9-11?


ARNON MILCHAN - MOSSAD'S MAN IN THE MIDDLE


If one considers the known evidence of Israeli prior knowledge of 9-11, the 
Odigo text messages and the 5 arrested Mossad agents, for example, as 
indicative of Israeli state involvement in the crime, the identity of the 
occult power behind the cover-up is rather obvious.


The "hidden hand" suppressing the information about 9-11 would have to be a 
high-level person in the Israeli political-military intelligence 
establishment who also has very close relations with media kingpins like 
Murdoch, Levin, and Eisner.


Arnon Milchan (a.k.a. Milchen) is such a person.


While millions of Americans have watched his films, such as Pretty Woman and 
JFK, very few know that Arnon Milchan is a "best friend" of Shimon Peres 
(born Szymon Perski in Wisniewo, Poland) the current Israeli president and 
godfather of Israel's nuclear arsenal.


Peres, is widely regarded as the architect of Israel's nuclear weapons 
programme. (Milchan is also good friends of Ehud Barak and Benjamin 
Netanyahu.)


Milchan's 40-year friendship with Peres, the man who oversaw the 
construction of Israel's nuclear weapon program is key to understanding 
Milchan's career as an undercover operative, weapons procurer, and film 
producer.


The fact that Milchan, the Hollywood producer, has been Israel's "foremost 
weapons procurer" for decades, brokering deals for "everything from nuclear 
triggers to rocket fuel to guidance systems," is seldom mentioned in the 
U.S. news media.


This is probably due to the fact that Milchan is also a "best friend" and 
business partner of Rupert Murdoch. He is also a friend a business partner 
with Levin (Warner Brothers) and Eisner.


"I consider him one of my best friends," Milchan said about Murdoch, "and I 
think vice versa. We're having a ball. He's a very cool guy."


"Kingpins like Warner Bros.' Gerald Levin and Disney's Michael Eisner are 
quick to return his calls," the American Jewish journalist Ann Louise 
Bardach wrote about Milchan in her article "The Last Tycoon" in April 2000.


In 1997, after a six-year relationship with Warner Bros., Milchan became a 
partner with Murdoch, selling him 20 percent of his film company, New 
Regency Productions, for $200 million. Murdoch also invested another $30 
million in Regency Television. Today, Murdoch's equity partnership with 
Milchan is close to 50 percent.


"Milchan's deal with Fox also assures him a level of financial security," 
Bardach wrote. "With Murdoch's $200 million investment and a subsequent $600 
million line of credit from a team of banks led by Chase Manhattan, Milchan 
is well into mogul territory.


"Milchan's tony offices occupy most of Building 12, right next door to the 
Executive Building on the Fox lot," Bardach wrote. "And it is from this seat 
of power that Milchan is building an entertainment empire that could one day 
rival Murdoch's."


Read Part TWO here

Read Part THREE here

http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10568 


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WHY IS JEW BITCHING? HARDLY A MINUTE PASSES WITHOUT SOME JEW INSULTING A 
MUSLIM OR A CHRISTIAN! HEIL HITLER!

"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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> LAKEWOOD: A 48-year-old township man was being held in the Ocean County 
> Jail, charged with intimidating a Jewish man because of religious bias.
>
> Donald R. Lowery of South Clover Street was arrested Friday night after 
> Abe Buchler of Lakewood reported to police that he was confronted by a 
> black man who yelled out "Heil Hitler" and other derogatory remarks. 
> Buchler was standing outside Park Terrace, a catering hall at Park Avenue 
> and Second Street where he had been attending a party for a bar mitzvah, 
> Detective Steve Wexler said.
>
> Buchler is Jewish, Wexler said.
>
> The incident occurred shortly before 9 p.m.,
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> Officer Jonathon Wilson investigated and arrested Lowery, charging him 
> with bias intimidation and harassment.
>
> Wilson reported that Lowery appeared to be intoxicated at the time.
>
> (Pretty funny a negro shouting out "heil hitler".) 




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 I cannot stop laughing when some of our politicians talk about the need of
years to move the equipment from Iraq home.

Some of you who have seen the vast warehouses of equipment  of Kam Rahn,
will remember that about 70 miles of thew beach were covered with equipment
still in crates. Brand new Cesna planes, jet engiones, hundreds of dozers,
bobcats,thousands of trucks, jeeps and cars.

WELL, FOLKS IT TOOK VIETNAMESE TWO YEARS TO AUCTION ALL THAT STUFF, AND THEY
STILL HAD PLENTY LEFT OVER FOR THEIR OWN MILITARY.

YES, AUCTIONS WERE ON FOR TWO WHOLE YEARS. GUESS WHO BOUGHT THE STUFF? OH,
YOU DO NOT WANT TO GUESS!

I wonder how  long will it take Maliki to auction all the junk they piled up
all over Iraq, including millions of tons of scrap!





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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: LARRY CRAIG IS SMALL STUFF, QUEERS RUN  THE WHITE HOUSE
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LARRY CRAIG IS JUST A TIP

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/300807_larry_craig.htm 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> You have no idea what I have done Alex?
you are a cowardy, lying jewish scum!
>
>> On Sep 1, 12:40 pm, Reargunner  wrote:
>> > I like option 2 but I will take 1, 3 I assure you I am not!
>> >
>> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=REAR+GUNNER
>> >
>> > REAR GUNNER
>> > 24 up, 6 down
>> >
>> > A very brave bloke who sat for hours in the rear gun turret of a WW2
>> > bomber
>> YOU ARE A FUCKING LIARBERNARD, YOU HAVE NEVER SERVED ON NO MAN;S ARMY.
>> YPU8;IE A;; THE TIME
>>
>>
> 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> In article , eregth@ertd.com
> says...
>> in 2003 Al Qaeda planned to hijack planes
>> from the national carriers of the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia, 
>> Poland,
>> Romania and Malta for use in a Sept. 11-style attack against Heathrow
>> Airport in London "because security at these airports and in their 
>> aircraft
>> was lax."
>>
>>
>
>
> I find it hard to believe that the security in these airports is lax!
 I find it easy to believe that they hate your guts, because of what you do! 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> Now what does any of this have to do with Resolution 181 that the Arabs
> leaders openly admitted that they violated.

WHERE THE FUCK DID ARABS VIOLATE 181 YOU LYING WHORE? 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1188672409.085713.40690@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
> floresrikitic@hotmail.com says...
>> On Sep 1, 12:20 pm, Reargunner  wrote:
>> > In article ,
>> > ere...@ertd.com says...
>> >
>> > > The report stated that the attacks were mostly random, making it very
>> > > difficult to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice.
>>
>> That could be because most "attacks" were false reports, made
>> up by the jews.  Local police where I live have had some very
>> suspicious police reports from jews claiming harrassment and assault.
>>
>
> Which may not matter for the accuracy of the statistics as long as the
> proportion of real attacks and false ones does not change.
>
>
>> > Why is no one surprised
>>
>> I will be surprised when jews stop lying.
>>
>
> If an attack has taken place but it was not because the victim was
> Jewish but the thought it was, then the Jewish person is not lying.

tELL ME ABOUT IT! JEW LIES WHEN HIS TRAP OPENS UP! 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 1, 11:08 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in 
>> messagenews:1188658030.004835.200760@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 1, 10:38 am, RJ11  wrote:
>> >>    "How many times do we have to tell you that wikipedia is NOT
>> >> an unbiased source. It is a pro-yid site which should be shut 
>> >> down." --
>> >> posted by the Australian neo-Nazi activist "Benjamin Cramer",
>> >> Message-ID: .
>>
>> >> RJ.
>>
>> > You have the opposite in effect as well, with one Jeffrey Gillis, aka
>> > "Theodore Herzl" who has stated in another thread that he wants to
>> > legalize hate speech.
>>
>> IN A FREE COUNTRY ALL SPEECH IS LEGAL!
>
> No it isn't.  Hate speech is NOT legal.
>
>> IF JEWS CAN MALIGN ARABS AND OTHERS, THERE IS NO REASON THAT THEY SHOULD 
>> NOT
>> GET THEIRS BACK DOUBLE PORTION
>
> Your opinion doesn't count, sub-human.  No Jew maligns Arabs, they
> malign Islamofascists like you.

FUCK YOU JEW CUNT! WHEN YOU MALIGN OTHER PEOIPLE SUCH AS ARABS, IT IS ALSO 
HATE, PIG! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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After Dyncorp and Halliburton contractors were exposed as having operated 
child prostitution rackets in the Balkans from the late 1990's onwards (and 
more recently in the case of Halliburton), Rep. Cynthia McKinney attempted 
to get answers as to why the U.S. government continued to do business with 
these corporations.

On March 11th 2005, McKinney grilled Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers on 
the Dyncorp scandal and its protection by the U.S. government.

"Mr. Secretary, I watched President Bush deliver a moving speech at the 
United Nations in September 2003, in which he mentioned the crisis of the 
sex trade. The President called for the punishment of those involved in this 
horrible business. But at the very moment of that speech, DynCorp was 
exposed for having been involved in the buying and selling of young women 
and children. While all of this was going on, DynCorp kept the Pentagon 
contract to administer the smallpox and anthrax vaccines, and is now working 
on a plague vaccine through the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program. Mr. 
Secretary, is it [the] policy of the U.S. Government to reward companies 
that traffic in women and little girls?"

In late 2005, Halliburton subsidiary KBR and Dyncorp lobbyists worked in 
tandem with the Pentagon to stall legislation that would specifically ban 
trafficking in humans for forced labor and prostitution by U.S. contractors.

Where were the investigations and convictions in other cases of 
establishment orchestrated child slavery and prostitution? Like the NATO 
officials responsible for the mushrooming of child prostitution in Kosovo?

What happened to UN officials identified as using a ship charted for 
'peacekeepers' to bring young girls from Thailand to East Timor as 
prostitutes?

The U.S. media largely failed to even report many of these cases at the time 
yet Larry Craig's bathroom activities, which are without a doubt perverted, 
creepy and fully worthy of a disorderly conduct charge, are given a hundred 
times more press coverage than huge sex slavery scandals with ties to the 
elite that resulted in the abduction, abuse, rape and murder of thousands of 
children across the globe - many of which are still missing today.

In addition, Wikipedia allows the page detailing a list of such Republican 
sex scandals to be deleted by trolls as if no such scandals ever took place!






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After Dyncorp and Halliburton contractors were exposed as having operated 
child prostitution rackets in the Balkans from the late 1990's onwards (and 
more recently in the case of Halliburton), Rep. Cynthia McKinney attempted 
to get answers as to why the U.S. government continued to do business with 
these corporations.

On March 11th 2005, McKinney grilled Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers on 
the Dyncorp scandal and its protection by the U.S. government.

"Mr. Secretary, I watched President Bush deliver a moving speech at the 
United Nations in September 2003, in which he mentioned the crisis of the 
sex trade. The President called for the punishment of those involved in this 
horrible business. But at the very moment of that speech, DynCorp was 
exposed for having been involved in the buying and selling of young women 
and children. While all of this was going on, DynCorp kept the Pentagon 
contract to administer the smallpox and anthrax vaccines, and is now working 
on a plague vaccine through the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program. Mr. 
Secretary, is it [the] policy of the U.S. Government to reward companies 
that traffic in women and little girls?"

In late 2005, Halliburton subsidiary KBR and Dyncorp lobbyists worked in 
tandem with the Pentagon to stall legislation that would specifically ban 
trafficking in humans for forced labor and prostitution by U.S. contractors.

Where were the investigations and convictions in other cases of 
establishment orchestrated child slavery and prostitution? Like the NATO 
officials responsible for the mushrooming of child prostitution in Kosovo?

What happened to UN officials identified as using a ship charted for 
'peacekeepers' to bring young girls from Thailand to East Timor as 
prostitutes?

The U.S. media largely failed to even report many of these cases at the time 
yet Larry Craig's bathroom activities, which are without a doubt perverted, 
creepy and fully worthy of a disorderly conduct charge, are given a hundred 
times more press coverage than huge sex slavery scandals with ties to the 
elite that resulted in the abduction, abuse, rape and murder of thousands of 
children across the globe - many of which are still missing today.

In addition, Wikipedia allows the page detailing a list of such Republican 
sex scandals to be deleted by trolls as if no such scandals ever took place!






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Book on pro-Israel lobby set to make splash in US
By: atheo on: 01.09.2007 [16:27 ] (14 reads)

     By Agence France Presse (AFP)

      Friday, August 31, 2007


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NEW YORK: An upcoming book that challenges whether diplomatic and military 
support for Israel is in the United States' best interests is set to spark 
fresh debate on Washington's role in the Middle East. "The Israel Lobby and 
US Foreign Policy," written by two of the United States' most influential 
political science professors, is set to hit the bookshelves next Tuesday and 
promises to break the taboo on the subject.

Written by John Mearsheimer from the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt 
>from Harvard, the book follows an article they published last year that 
stirred impassioned debate by setting out a similar position.

Their thesis is that US endorsement of Israel is not fully explained by 
strategic or moral reasons, but by the pressure exerted by Jewish lobbyists, 
Christian fundamentalists and neo-conservatives with Zionist sympathies. The 
result, according to the book, is an unbalanced US foreign policy in the 
Middle East, the US invasion of Iraq, the threat of war with Iran or Syria 
and a fragile security situation for the entire Western world.

"Israel is not the strategic asset to the United States that many claim. 
Israel may have been a strategic asset during the Cold War, but it has 
become a growing liability now that the Cold War is over," the authors said. 
"Unconditional support for Israel has reinforced anti-Americanism around the 
world, helped fuel America's terrorism problem, and strained relations with 
other key allies in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia."

According to the two writers, "backing Israel's harsh treatment of the 
Palestinians has reinforced anti-Americanism around the world and almost 
certainly helped terrorists recruit new followers."

Abraham Foxman, director of the pro-Zionist Anti-Defamation League, 
described the forthcoming book as "an insidious, biased account of the 
Arab-Israeli conflict and of the role of supporters of Israel in the US," in 
an interview with AFP.

"Everything about American policy toward the conflict is presented in 
exaggerated form, as if America is completely one-sided in support of Israel 
and that those policies are simply the product of the Israel lobby."
http://www.dailystar.com.lb

Foxman is countering Mearsheimer and Walt's book with his own, "The 
Deadliest Lies. The Israel Lobby and the Myth of Jewish Control," due out on 
the same day.

Mearsheimer and Walt highlight the $3 billion in US economic and military 
aid that Israel receives every year - far more than any other country.

They also point to Washington's diplomatic support: Between 1972 and 2006, 
the United States vetoed 42 United Nations Security Council resolutions that 
were critical of Israel, while watering down many others under threat of 
veto.

Foxman argued that the "special relationship" works both ways and that the 
United States has gained much out of its ally. Last year, Foxman protested 
the release of Jimmy Carter's book, "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid" by 
claiming the former president was engaging in acts of anti-Semitism.

The Chicago Council on Global Affairs canceled a scheduled public debate on 
the issue planned for September and featuring Mearsheimer and Walt when they 
were unable to schedule a time that Foxman could also manage.

In the conclusion of their book, Mearsheimer and Walt say that the United 
States must change its policy toward Israel.

"The United States would be a better ally if its leaders could make support 
for Israel more conditional and if they could give their Israeli 
counterparts more candid advice without facing a backlash from the Israel 
lobby."

With just over a year until the 2008 US presidential election, however, they 
said the issue was unlikely to even enter the debate. "Regrettably, no. The 
one issue on which there will be virtually no debate is the question of 
whether the United States should continue to give Israel unconditional 
backing." - AFP

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=84933 


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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> Alex the reason the Muslims complain about the festival is because they
> do not segregate the audience by gender. As a Muslim you should know
> these laws.

THERE IS NO SUCH A "LAW" ARSEHOLE, AND MUSLIMS DO NOT SEPARATE BY GENDER 
EXCEPT IN YOUR SICK IDIOTIC  MIND 




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 You should know, he fucked your arse! 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> Alex it looks like Iran will have till November, or December

that is how long kikeland will have 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> Alex this is how it is done!
>
> http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/08/31/how-to-train-teens-to-kill-for-
> islam/
>
>
> Some of you would say, Islam is a religion and nothing is wrong with it
> but honesty these teachings are destructive for humanity

AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ARSEHOLE.MORE JEWS ARE EMBRACING ISLAM THAN 
EVER! 




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Once upon a time, brave partizans killed the Nazi son of a whore in Lidice.
Next day the Nazi punishment batalion surrounded small village, and executed 
hundred men of the village.

It took about two years to find every Nazi that took part in the execution 
and to hang them all.

This is the destiny that awaits the scum who kill, rape and pilage in Iraq, 
no matter who the fuck they are 




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It's not just the troops that are surging.  War costs are up for American 
operations in Iraq and Afghanistan* -- way up, more than a third higher than 
last year.  In the first half of this fiscal year, the Defense Department's 
"average monthly obligations for contracts and pay is running about $12 
billion per month, well above the $8.7 billion in FY2006," says a new 
report, obtained by DANGER ROOM, from the non-partisan Congressional 
Research Service.

  Additional war costs for the next  10 years could total about $472 billion 
if troop levels fall to 30,000 by 2010, or $919 billion if troop levels fall 
to 70,000 by about 2013.  If these estimates are added to already 
appropriated amounts, total funding about $980 billion to $1.4 trillion by 
2017.

Meanwhile, Inside Defense reports that "top Pentagon budget and program 
officials have directed the military services to prepare spending proposals 
to finance Iraq and Afghanistan operations... through fiscal year 2009, 
which will span the last days of the Bush administration and the early 
months of the next administration."




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 "I swear, I can't believe John Gotti got life in jail. How can you kill 
your own history?" - Ludwig "Tarzan" Fainberg
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The first Ukrainian Jew in recent times that was documented on the Ukrainian 
Archive for making it into into the big time was Semion Mogilevich, 
described by Robert I. Friedman in his Village Voice article as The World's 
Most Dangerous Gangster. In the excerpts below from the New Yorker of 10 Apr 
00 (still on sale at newsstands as the present excerpts are being posted), 
Robert I. Friedman describes another Ukrainian Jew who made it into the big 
time - Ludwig "Tarzan" Fainberg, until recently the ringleader of the 
"Russian" Mafiya in South Florida.

These two success stories reveal shared characteristics that one has to 
wonder about the origins of. Consider for example, whether this pair does 
not have something in common:

MOGILEVICH: The mob's young enforcers, trained by veterans of the 
Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their quarry, 
usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are repeatedly 
stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are butchered. The carnage 
is so hideous that it has scared the daylights out of competing crime groups 
in the area.

FAINBERG: On another occasion, he allegedly beat a girlfriend's head against 
the door of his Mercedes until the car was covered with blood....
Source: Robert I. Friedman, Land of the stupid: When you need a used Russian 
submarine, call Tarzan, New Yorker, 10 Apr 00, pp. 40-49, p. 40.

Ludwig Fainberg grants an interview:

On a September day last year, at the tail end of Hurricane Floyd, I took a 
taxi ride to the Federal Detention Center in downtown Miami to interview a 
man known as Tarzan. His real name is Ludwig Fainberg, and until recently he 
was the ringleader of the Russian mob in South Florida.

"Russian" mob vies for first place: Since the collapse of Communism, the 
Mafiya, as it is known to outsiders (Russian gangsters affect disdain for 
the term), has become bigger, more brutal, and better armed; it is widely 
believed to be richer than any other criminal cartel - richer, even, than 
its counterpart in Colombia. The Russian mob buys and swaps drugs, money, 
handguns, assault carbines, submachine guns, anti-aircraft missiles, 
helicopters, plutonium, enriched uranium, and submarines. In 1996, James 
Moody, who was then the F.B.I.'s deputy assistant director in charge of 
organized crime, warned Congress that the Russian mob, which has thirty 
crime syndicates operating in more than seventeen North American cities, has 
"a very real chance" of becoming "the No. 1 crime group in the United 
States." And, until recently, the No. 1 Russian crime figure in Miami was 
Ludwig Fainberg.
Robert I. Friedman, Land of the stupid: When you need a used Russian 
submarine, call Tarzan, The New Yorker, 10 Apr 00, pp. 40-49, p. 40.

Ludwig Fainberg once forced a woman to eat gravel:

As we chatted in the prison cubicle, Tarzan spoke expansively about his 
disreputable past, but he also took pains to mention his eleemosynary 
activities, and described numerous fund-raisers that he had held for Jewish 
charities at a restaurant and night club he owned called Babushka. Fainberg, 
who is Jewish, insists that he never stole from Jewish organizations. 
"You've got to be kidding?" But, according to statements that he made to 
undercover agents for the Drug Enforcement Agency, the operating costs for 
these events tended to run high - eighty-five cents of every dollar. He 
certainly had the qualities of a mobster: he was greedy (he allegedly stole 
tip money from the strippers at his club); he was ruthless (he once forced a 
woman to eat gravel); and he was ambitious (he brokered a complicated 
negotiation involving the transfer of a Russian military submarine to 
Columbian narcotraffickers).

The Fainberg family moved from Ukraine to Israel to increase wealth:

Fainberg was born in 1958 in Odessa, a Black Sea port that was once the 
Marseilles of the Soviet Union. His parents soon divorced, and when he was 
three he moved with his mother, who had remarried, and his stepfather to 
Czernowitz, a small city in Ukraine. He sang in a boy's choir and 
participated in a boxing program set up by the Soviet military. More to the 
point, his stepfather, who worked for a Soviet factory that made rugs and 
fur hats, was a prosperous dealer on the burgeoning black market. He'd trade 
merchandise for choice cuts of meat, theatre tickets, and fresh vegetables. 
"My mother had nice clothes and jewelry," Fainberg said. "We took a vacation 
once a year to Odessa, a stunning city with a boardwalk and gorgeous 
beaches." It was a city, he said, "filled with mobsters and entertainers."

One day in 1972, when Fainberg was fourteen, his mother and stepfather 
announced that they were moving the family to Israel, where they hoped to 
increase their already considerable wealth. Ludwig, who had never known the 
family to identify itself with Judaism in any way, was confused. "Jew" was 
just something stamped on their passports, he thought, signifying their 
ethnic group. "I knew only that I was circumcised."

Before leaving, the Fainbergs converted their money into gold and diamonds, 
stashing some in shoes with hollow heels and hiding the rest in secret 
compartments in specially built tables and a piano, which they shipped to 
Israel.

Soviets shipped Jewish criminals to America:

>From the middle of the late nineteen-seventies, the Soviet government was 
under intense diplomatic pressure from the West to let Jews emigrate freely. 
In response, the authorities searched the Gulag for Jewish criminals - some 
of them quite recent converts to the faith - and shipped them to America. 
[...] More than forty thousand Russian Jews settled in Brighton Beach. Most 
were decent, hardworking citizens, but the criminals among them resumed 
their careers as thieves and swindlers. By the time Fainberg arrived, in 
1984, Brighton Beach had already become the seat of the Organizatsiya, as 
the Russian Jewish mob was called. "It was the Wild West," Fainberg told me. 
"I took my gun everywhere."

Ludwig Fainberg is a "Very nice, very kind Jewboy":

Seidle liked Fainberg from the moment they met. "Tarzan was a boisterous, 
bigmouthed yiddel," he told me in Miami, speaking with obvious affection. 
"He's a Jewboy, you know. Just a bigmouthed kid, always bragging, 
boisterous - but very nice, very kind."


"Very nice, very kind" Ludwig Fainberg's treatment of women:

In addition to extortion, Fainberg had a habit of degrading women. "This is 
cultural," he explained to me, in an effort to defend himself." In Russia, 
it was normal for men to beat women. In the stories Dostoyevsky, Chekhov, 
and Gorky wrote, to slap a woman is normal, it's part of life. And to do 
something like that in America, something that you grew up with - you're 
arrested, for domestic violence!" In an incident observed by the F.B.I. and 
the D.E.A. from surveillance cars across the street from Porky's, Fainberg 
chased a girlfriend out of the club and decked her. On another occasion, he 
allegedly beat a girlfriend's head against the door of his Mercedes until 
the car was covered with blood; and he regularly abused his common-law wife, 
a frail young woman named Faina Tannenbaum, whom he had brought with him 
>from New York. When the police arrived at their home in response to 911 
calls, she would quiver in fear, and was sometimes found huddled inside a 
locked car with her daughter.

The "Russian" Mafiya threatens the USA:

Meanwhile in the United States, the activities of the Russian mob were 
alarming a great many law-enforcement agencies. In 1994, Louis J. Freeh, the 
director of the F.B.I., said that the Russian Mafiya posed "a significant 
direct threat to the United States." In a few years, the Russians had 
supplanted the Cubans as one of the top crime groups in South Florida.

Ludwig Fainberg's old friend, Grisha "Cannibal" Roizis:

Operation Odessa's agents had so far been unable to infiltrate Fainberg's 
close-knit world. That assignment fell to Fainberg's old Brighton Beach 
friend Grisha Roizis, who had by this time acquired the nickname the 
Cannibal. (A booking sergeant in Brooklyn had once called him "a fucking 
dirty Jew," and Roizis, although handcuffed, managed to bite off the tip of 
the sergeant's nose.)


Jewish criminals have a sanctuary that other criminals don't:

The feds had a good idea what Fainberg would do if he obtained bail: 
informants reported that he was working with several powerful Israeli drug 
dealers in Miami who were going to help him flee to Israel; it is difficult 
to extradite Israeli nationals.


Israel being the land of opportunity, Ludwig Fainberg will be rich again - 
but using sex slaves from where?

The Russian mob in South Florida today is the hub of a sophisticated and 
ruthless operation. But Ludwig Fainberg is no longer a member. At the 
conclusion of my conversation with him in prison in September, he said 
ruefully, "America's built on Mafia! All over the world, when you ask 'What 
do you know about America?' they say, 'Mafia, "Godfather," Bugsy Siegel, 
Meyer Lansky!' I swear, I can't believe John Gotti got life in jail. How can 
you kill your own history?"

Then, in October, after living in America for fifteen years, Fainberg was 
deported to Israel, with fifteen hundred dollars in his pocket. He had 
served a mere thirty-three months. [...] Even as he awaited deportation, 
Fainberg told me that, given what he knows about the sex industry, he'll 
soon be rich again. [...] But his enthusiasm for the land he was leaving was 
undimmed. "I love this country!" Tarzan said. "It's so easy to steal here!"




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 Go fuck yourself! 




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Sep 2, 4:28 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> The unit Alex was the Bosnian-Muslim troops - a unit of the "Hanjar
> (Saber) Division" of the Waffen SS

LIKE FUCK IT WAS! THERE WAS NO SUCH A UNITE IN CZEKOSLOVAJIA, YOU
DONKEY. HANJAR EXISTED FOR ELEVEN MONTHS AND ONLY IN CROATIA



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On Sep 2, 2:49 am, "marty"  wrote:
> 9/11 was committed by Arab terrorists. Your hero Bin Laden said so.
LIAR! HE NEVER SAID SUCH A THING. JEWISH VIDEO SAID SO!



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On Sep 2, 4:10 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> Notice how no one is worried about Israel atomic bomb except Iran

YEAH, SURE THAT IS WHY EVERY ARAB COUNTRY INCLUDING YEMEN HAS A
NUCLEAR PROGRAM BOOMING!



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On Sep 2, 8:01 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> What do you know that UN atomic energy agency
> don't!

YEAH, U.N KNOWS ABOUT AS MUCH ABOUT THE ZIONAZI STOCKPILE OF WMD'S AS
MY PUSSY CAT DOES



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On Sep 2, 8:00 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> In article ,
> onlythetr...@alltimes.yep says...
>
>
>
> > "Reargunner"  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.21451a3f4adf5a7098a0a4@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > > Alex you have been in this group long enough to know you are lying. But
> > > okay UN resolution 181 stated that "The Security Council determine as a
> > > threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in
> > > accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force
> > > the settlement envisaged by this resolution;"
>
> > > Yet the Arab armies invaded Israel.
>
> > Because the yids didn't live up to their end of the bargain, you stupid
> > toss.
>
> What did they not do idiot!
>
> > Nor is UNGAR 181 binding. It's a General Assembly Resolution, you stupid,
> > stupid, little bottieburgler.
>
> Show me where resolution 181 was not binding?
>
>
>
> > >> "Reargunner"  wrote in message
> > >>news:MPG.2144acde1c3fb8898a09b@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > >> > Now what does any of this have to do with Resolution 181 that the Arabs
> > >> > leaders openly admitted that they violated.
>
> > >> WHERE THE FUCK DID ARABS VIOLATE 181 YOU LYING WHORE?

"JEWISH HOMELAND IN PALESTINE" ARSEHOLE, NOT AUSCHWITZ FOR
PALESTINIANS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY



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 DODIE YOU THE BIGGEST KIKE ARSE LICKER IN THE WORLD



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On Sep 1, 11:01 pm, Rosen The Chosen  wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:41 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in messagenews:1188662813.058518.250710@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Sep 1, 11:08 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> > >> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in
> > >> messagenews:1188658030.004835.200760@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> > On Sep 1, 10:38 am, RJ11  wrote:
> > >> >>    "How many times do we have to tell you that wikipedia is NOT
> > >> >> an unbiased source. It is a pro-yid site which should be shut
> > >> >> down." --
> > >> >> posted by the Australian neo-Nazi activist "Benjamin Cramer",
> > >> >> Message-ID: .
>
> > >> >> RJ.
>
> > >> > You have the opposite in effect as well, with one Jeffrey Gillis, aka
> > >> > "Theodore Herzl" who has stated in another thread that he wants to
> > >> > legalize hate speech.
>
> > >> IN A FREE COUNTRY ALL SPEECH IS LEGAL!
>
> > > No it isn't.  Hate speech is NOT legal.
>
> > >> IF JEWS CAN MALIGN ARABS AND OTHERS, THERE IS NO REASON THAT THEY SHOULD
> > >> NOT
> > >> GET THEIRS BACK DOUBLE PORTION
>
> > > Your opinion doesn't count, sub-human.  No Jew maligns Arabs, they
> > > malign Islamofascists like you.
>
> > FUCK YOU JEW CUNT! WHEN YOU MALIGN OTHER PEOIPLE SUCH AS ARABS, IT IS ALSO
> > HATE, PIG
>
> Your opinion doesn't count, sub-human.  No Jew maligns Arabs, they
> malign Islamofascists like you.

THERE IS NO SUCH A THING, ARSEHOLE!  HEIL HITLER!



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KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine - A former U.S. Congresswoman and two candidates for 
Congress, among others, dispatched a letter from the Bush Compound in 
Kennebunkport late last week warning the American people that allies of Vice 
President Cheney are planning a new 9/11 terror event.

The letter reads:

"Massive evidence has come to our attention which shows that the backers, 
controllers, and allies of Vice President Dick Cheney are determined to 
orchestrate and manufacture a new 9/11 terror incident, and/or a new Gulf of 
Tonkin war provocation over the coming weeks and months. Such events would 
be used by the Bush administration as a pretext for launching an aggressive 
war against Iran, quite possibly with nuclear weapons, and for imposing a 
regime of martial law here in the United States. We call on the House of 
Representatives to proceed immediately to the impeachment of Cheney, as an 
urgent measure for avoiding a wider and more catastrophic war. Once 
impeachment has begun, it will be easier for loyal and patriotic military 
officers to refuse illegal orders coming from the Cheney faction. We 
solemnly warn the people of the world that any terrorist attack with weapons 
of mass destruction taking place inside the United States or elsewhere in 
the immediate future must be considered the prima facie responsibility of 
the Cheney faction. We urge responsible political leaders everywhere to 
begin at once to inoculate the public opinion of their countries against 
such a threatened false flag terror operation."

The letter was signed by Cynthia McKinney, former U.S. Congresswoman, 
Georgia; Cindy Sheehan, candidate for U.S. Congress, California; Craig Hill, 
candidate for U.S. Congress, Vermont Green Party; Bruce Marshall, Convenor, 
Philadelphia Platform; Jamilla El-Shafei, Kennebunk Peace Department; 
Webster G. Tarpley, author; Ann Wright, Colonel U.S. Army Reserve, former 
U.S. diplomat; Dr. Dahlia Wasfi, ; George Paz Martin, and John Kaminsky, 
president, Maine Lawyers For Democracy.

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=1801&z=169 




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Sep 2, 8:02 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> In article ,
> onlythetr...@alltimes.yep says...
>
>
>
> > "Reargunner"  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.21451ef4e595437e98a0ad@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
> > > Alex apparently the Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes
> > > against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians=3F
> > > military capability in three days, according to a national security
> > > expert.
>
> > Doomed to failure, isn't it.
>
> > The dumb yanks haven't won a war ever.
>
> Tell that to the Japanese you might learn something.
>
> > Wars they have been involved have been won, but nothing on their own.
>
> Tell that to the Spanish and Mexicans. Again you might learn something
> fool!
>
>
>
> > > Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon
> > > Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for
> > > =3Fpinprick strikes=3F against Iran=3Fs nuclear facilities. =3FThey=3Fre
> > > about
> > > taking out the entire Iranian military,=3F he said.
>
> > > Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a
> > > conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the
> > > US military had concluded: =3FWhether you go for pinprick strikes or all-
> > > out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same.=3F
> > > It was, he added, a =3Fvery legitimate strategic calculus=3F.
>
> > > President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week,
> > > accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East =3Funder the shadow of a
> > > nuclear holocaust=3F. He warned that the US and its allies would confront
> > > Iran =3Fbefore it is too late=3F.
> > > Related Links
>
> > >    * Hardliner takes over Revolutionary Guards
>
> > > One Washington source said the =3Ftemperature was rising=3F inside the
> > > administration. Bush was =3Fsending a message to a number of audiences=3F,
> > > he said ? to the Iranians and to members of the United Nations security
> > > council who are trying to weaken a tough third resolution on sanctions
> > > against Iran for flouting a UN ban on uranium enrichment.
>
> > > The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) last week reported
> > > =3Fsignificant=3F cooperation with Iran over its nuclear programme and
> > > said
> > > that uranium enrichment had slowed. Tehran has promised to answer most
> > > questions from the agency by November, but Washington fears it is
> > > stalling to prevent further sanctions. Iran continues to maintain it is
> > > merely developing civilian nuclear power.
>
> > > Bush is committed for now to the diplomatic route but thinks Iran is
> > > moving towards acquiring a nuclear weapon. According to one well placed
> > > source, Washington believes it would be prudent to use rapid,
> > > overwhelming force, should military action become necessary.
>
> > > Israel, which has warned it will not allow Iran to acquire nuclear
> > > weapons, has made its own preparations for airstrikes and is said to be
> > > ready to attack if the Americans back down.
>
> > > Alireza Jafarzadeh, a spokesman for the National Council of Resistance
> > > of Iran, which uncovered the existence of Iran=3Fs uranium enrichment
> > > plant at Natanz, said the IAEA was being strung along. =3FA number of
> > > nuclear sites have not even been visited by the IAEA,=3F he said.
> > > =3FThey=3Fre
> > > giving a clean bill of health to a regime that is known to have
> > > practised deception.=3F
>
> > > Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, irritated the Bush
> > > administration last week by vowing to fill a =3Fpower vacuum=3F in Iraq.
> > > But
> > > Washington believes Iran is already fighting a proxy war with the
> > > Americans in Iraq.
>
> > > The Institute for the Study of War last week released a report by
> > > Kimberly Kagan that explicitly uses the term =3Fproxy war=3F and claims
> > > that
> > > with the Sunni insurgency and Al-Qaeda in Iraq =3Fincreasingly under
> > > control=3F, Iranian intervention is the =3Fnext major problem the
> > > coalition
> > > must tackle=3F.
>
> > > Bush noted that the number of attacks on US bases and troops by Iranian-
> > > supplied munitions had increased in recent months ? =3Fdespite pledges by
> > > Iran to help stabilise the security situation in Iraq=3F.
>
> > > It explains, in part, his lack of faith in diplomacy with the Iranians.
> > > But Debat believes the Pentagon=3Fs plans for military action involve the
> > > use of so much force that they are unlikely to be used and would
> > > seriously stretch resources in Afghanistan and Iraq.
>
> > >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece
>
> > >> It's not just the troops that are surging.


THAT IS WHY WE ARE SHITTING OUR PANTS FROM HALF A BILLION LATINOS
BREATHING DOWN OUR NECKS



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On Sep 2, 11:00 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> Much more then 11 months Alex. The Muslim "Hanjar (Saber) Division" of
> the Waffen SS was created on March 5th 1943. It surrendered to the
> British troops on May 8th 1945.
>
 FUCKING DONKEY! IN CZEKOSLOVAKIA?



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"Mary Jane Middleton"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> JEWS ARE SUCKING AMERICA'S BLOOD
>
> You have define which Jews. I define Zionists.
>
> Zionist Frequently Asked Questions
> Post Your Comment eMail to a friend
>
>
> Posted on APRIL-7-2007
>
>
> The Zionist FAQ section has been specifically built to counter the
> prevalent Israeli Zionist propaganda, which unfortunately has gone
> mostly unanswered in the West and Israel. We have assumed that the
> reader is familiar with the evolution of the Palestinian-Israeli
> conflict, and has some questions for Palestinians to answer. So if
> you're a beginner to the conflict and would like to know more, we
> recommend visiting our introductory section that contains a short list
> of articles about the conflict, click here for further details.
>
> A special thanks goes to Mark Kober- Smith, an anti-Zionist British
> Jew, for editing and proofreading this important book. Over several
> months, Mark put an incredible amount of time and effort to bring this
> section to what it is today.
>
> http://www.palestineremembered.com/ZionistFAQ.html
>
> Zionists own (not all, but a fair amount) of the Arms Manufacturers
> and Oil Companies the true profiteers from all the War in the Middle
> East.
>
> There was no conspiracy over 911. Most people that think this have
> mental issues.

BULLSHIT TO YOU!  IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO DID 911 ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK 
WHO MADE THE MONEY! MUSLIMS MADE NO MONEY, NMOR DID THEY NEED 911
>
> It was Bin Laden and the Saudi Supporters that carried out 911.
THAT IS A LIE, AND YOU KNOW THAT IT IS A LIE

It was
> a declaration of war on our way of life in the West.
CRAP!


> There was no Jewish Conspiracy as many people try to say.
YES THERE WAS, AND THERE IS
>
> Eisenhower in the 50's said beware of the Military Industry Complex.
> This is true today. What we see is the build up to Third World war
> that will be Nuclear. They is no way it can be stopped. It is sad day
> for Israel. The USA people should start to look at how much money is
> going to Israel and start to question  who owns the Arms Manufacturers
> and Oil Companies. We know about PANAC. It is a fact
>
> Welcome to the Project for the New American Century neoconservative
> organization supporting greater American militarization, challenging
> hostile governments, advancing democratic and economic freedom, ...
>
> http://www.newamericancentury.org/
>
> What influence do the Jews have on USA policy. A great deal, it is to
> powerfull.With a change of President and the Demarcates in power we
> will probably see a withdrawal from Iraq. Trouble is the increasing
> power of Iran. An attack on Iran is warranted at this time as well as
> Israel attacking Syria do to its arms build up. Israel has to go back
> into Lebanon and destroy Hezbollah. war will probably irrupt if and
> when the USA or Israel attacks the Iranian Nuclear site will come
> soon.
> For the lay person it is hard to see what is going on. It is all
> profit for the Zionists. Lets see who they are with a goodly search.
>
>
> USA
> AAI Corporation
> BAE Systems Inc.
> Boeing
> Carlyle Group
> Colt's Manufacturing Company
> General Atomics
> General Electric (primarily through GEAE)
> General Dynamics
> Honeywell
> Lockheed-Martin
> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> Raytheon Corporation
> United Defense (now BAE Systems Land and Armaments)
> United Technologies (primarily through Pratt and Whitney, Sikorsky
> Aircraft Corporation
>
>
> Israel
> Israel Aircraft Industries
> Israel Military Industries
> RAFAEL Armament Development Authority
> Elbit
>
> AAI Corporation  (Just one Company we will look at )
>
> In 2004 over $30 billion were spent in the international arms trade (a
> figure that excludes domestic sales of arms)[2] (Many industrialized
> countries have a domestic arms industry to supply their own military
> forces. Some countries also have a substantial legal or illegal
> domestic trade in weapons for use by its citizens. The illegal trade
> in small arms is prevalent in many countries and regions affected by
> political instability. Sometimes legally purchased weaponry is re-sold
> for illegal purposes.
> About Us
>
>     AAI Corporation, founded in 1950, is a global corporation whose
> products and services include an array of innovative aerospace and
> defense technologies.
>
>     Our businesses range from tactical unmanned  aircraft systems for
> the U.S. Army and allied armed forces to training and simulation
> systems, automated aircraft test and maintenance equipment, armament
> systems, logistical and engineering services, and other leading-edge
> technology solutions for aerospace and defense.
>
>     AAI is a subsidiary of United Industrial Corporation (UIC).  UIC
> and AAI are headquartered in Hunt Valley, Maryland, where AAI has more
> than 484,000 square feet of facilities and manufacturing space.
>
>     The company also has key facilities in Charleston, South
> Carolina; Choctaw, Mississippi; Sierra Vista, Arizona; Huntsville,
> Alabama; Orlando, Florida; and numerous field offices around the
> country that support various defense industry customer bases and
> requirements. AAI has approximately 2,500 employees and annual sales
> of more than $480 million.
>
>     AAI's subsidiary AAI Services Corporation, formerly AAI
> Engineering Support Inc., is also headquartered in Hunt Valley,
> Maryland. AAI Services was founded in March 1981 and provides
> training, engineering, and logistical support for its customers'
> systems, facilities, and equipment on a worldwide basis.
>
>     AAI has been strategically acquiring companies to facilitate our
> progress as a leader of aerospace and defense technologies. United
> Kingdom electronic warfare systems company ESL Defence Limited, engine
> repair specialist McTurbine Inc. of Corpus Christi, Texas; Australian
> UAS developer Aerosonde, and test systems manufacturer Symtx of
> Austin, Texas, have all been acquired as operating subsidiaries of
> AAI.
>
> UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS (UAS)
> The company's foremost unmanned aircraft system is the U.S. Army's
> highly regarded RQ-7B Shadow 200, which has surpassed a record
> milestone of operational hours, including vital support of warfighters
> in Operation Iraqi Freedom. In addition, Pioneer systems were the
> first U.S. tactical UAS used during conventional armed conflict.
> Advanced Pioneers are still in service with the U.S. Navy and Marine
> Corps.
>
> 69.13  Stock Exchange: NYSE
> Stock Exchange Listing
> United Industrial common stock is listed on the New York Stock
> Exchange under the symbol "UIC."
> Frederick M. Strader,
> President and Chief Executive Officer
> Oei Hong Leong, son of Eka Tjipta Widjaja (Oei Ek Tjhong), owns UIC
> Group and China Strategic Holdings (CSH) which is also active in
> internationand shakers the jitters, writes Michael Backman.
>
>
> Oei Hong Leong has been busy. One of Asia's most fascinating
> businessmen and a corporate raider par excellence, he has been making
> a meal of the Stock Exchange of Singapore of late.
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/11/1055220654712.html
> UIC may not be United Industrial Corporation (UIC). Anyway it is not
> Zionist own. It would make a good thread to see who owns all the other
> Arms Manufactures who are profiting from all the  conflict. it may be
> false the Zionists own the Arms and Oil Companies and has got away
> from the thread subject.
>
> Conclusions Jews are not  Sucking  "JEWS ARE SUCKING AMERICA'S BLOOD "
> Americas Blood but we will find out as we start new threads on this
> subject
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 




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"L Alpert"  wrote in message 
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> Venceremos wrote:
>> On Sep 2, 10:42 am, "L Alpert"  wrote:
>>> Venceremos wrote:
>>>> On Sep 2, 2:58 am, "marty"  wrote:
>>>>> I thought  oil took more money from US citizens then most
>>>>> everything combined and then we got terror from the same oil
>>>>> money.. Not a bad payback... for Arab growth and then we got to
>>>>> pay billions for Arab aid too, pay for terror, pay to bring
>>>>> millions of Arab here.. not a bad deal if you ask me"ElParedon"
>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> news:0aqCi.52711$Lu.5541@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>>> For your money you got oil from Arabs, you got 911 from the Jews
>>>
>>> The money from the oil helped sponsor 9/11, which was perpetrated by
>>> your brother nut job arabs.
>>
>> EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT JEWS DID IT! JEWS MADE ZILLIONS OUT OF 911
>
> Goyim dilemma is to blame others in lieu of all other evidence to the 
> contrary.
 ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS  EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE  TO FIND OUT THAT NEITHER BIN 
LADEN NOR ANY MUSLIM HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 911 




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I constantly encounter people who have put no time into studying what 
happened on 9/11 and whose looping disclaimer is that 'they' couldn't cover 
it up when it is prima facie that they are engaged in covering it up all the 
time. The idea that a government would not conspire against its people is 
lunacy. Of course governments conspire against their people. That is the 
nature of government and the reason why checks and balances are needed to 
keep it honest. History is filled with glaring examples of governments which 
have conspired against the populace. And when corporations run the 
government it is automatic that they would conspire because profit has taken 
supremacy over conscience.

The definition of a fascist state is when the corporations control the 
government. Do you need a degree in paying attention to see whether this is 
not the case today? Did you miss what happened at the FCC? Are you unaware 
of the battle for control of the few over the many? At what point do you 
decide to see what your denial and fear have denied you?

Become V. We can bring this dog to heel. It gets its food from us. Deny this 
dog his food and this dog will become attentive and ingratiating. You have 
to go for the critical, vital area. You have to go for the money. It won't 
fix itself people. It will only get worse because that is the nature of the 
beast. Destiny calls. Don't keep her waiting. 




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Taking it to the Streets and the Hearts and Minds.
For some time, a few of us have been calling for a general strike against 
the corporate state. We don't really have any other options. They have all 
the guns. They have the army and the police. They make whatever laws suit 
them. There is no real political opposition. They control the media and they 
control the ballot box. The people are left with only one option; stop 
turning the wheels of their money machine.

Some readers told me that this would never happen; bad idea. 
Yadda-yadda-yadda. Well, low and behold. here it is... 
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0708/S00383.htm

THIS is what we have to do. This is our power. This will have an impact 
beyond anything else in our near empty arsenal. What is the main focus of 
the corporate, fascist state? Money and Power and Control; and what does 
that reduce to? Money.

Why was 9/11? Why the war in Iraq? Why the many, many other examples of 
vicious enterprise from these hooligans in suits? Money... Money. Money. and 
when we, the people of the United States. refuse to go to work; refuse to 
buy anything besides food and water, refuse to go to restaurants and 
theaters and nightclubs, refuse to buy a car or a house, refuse to take a 
plane or a train or rent an automobile, refuse to go on vacation, refuse to 
participate in this psychotic Disneyworld of lard-bodies wallowing in Shake 
and Bake insta-product, refuse to turn the wheels of the money machine that 
butchers Iraqis and Palestinians and Katrina victims and the homeless and 
everybody everywhere who suffers because we, as polite and dutiful hamsters, 
turn the wheels of their bloodstained industries. when we sit down and say, 
"That's it, we've had enough." Then. then. they will have to take notice.

They will howl like stuck pigs and no metaphor intended. The time has come 
for the millions of unsatisfied customers to say, "I want my money back. I 
want my country back and I want you OFF MY BACK. When you stop the machine. 
the money stops. Repeat after me, "When you stop the machine, the money 
stops." "WHEN YOU STOP THE MACHINE, THE MONEY STOPS!" and then.

.there is no money for illegal wars. And then. there is no advertising for 
the media. and then. the stock market has a heart attack. and then. all of 
the millions of gears across the country and round the world begin to smoke 
and screech because there is no oil to grease their slide. What is the oil 
that greases the wheels? It's money.

Like the millions who share my concern about a world on the edge, I am not a 
communist. I am not a terrorist. I am not an enemy of my country. I am not a 
criminal. I am not deluded in what I see and I am not canon-fodder, a slave 
or a fool. I am a human being just like you. If you can't organize and 
strategize and mobilize then you don't care enough to get what you deserve 
and you will get what you deserve.

Everywhere I go and everything I read and everything I see indicates more 
people coming to realize that the world hangs in the balance every day this 
dysfunctional machine of empire continues.

It's a well-known fact that if you want to militate against corporate 
control you hit them in the wallet. Their God is money. The people have no 
greater power than to withdraw their support from the lampreys who feed on 
them. Corporations will gladly roll on their backs like the family dog to 
curry the favor of the consumer. If the consumer walks on them they are out 
of business.

It isn't enough to do this for one day. For an entire week, Americans should 
buy nothing they don't have to have to knit body and soul together. If that 
doesn't force compliance it should be for a month. I guarantee results. You 
cannot be put in jail for refusing to buy.

There are two possibilities, things will get worse or things will get 
better. Americans will take the power they possess and act upon it or they 
won't. If they do not, then at some point down the road they will be forced 
to take action because life will have become no longer worth living and it 
will be much harder and bloodier to accomplish it then.

I'd like to ask every reader of this blog to make this point to everyone you 
know and meet. Inform them of the 9/11 General Strike. Send them the link. 
Make it happen.

America can ill afford an economic emergency. She can less well afford to 
continue to foster a global emergency upon the lives and well being of the 
world. There is no army of organized terror that can work it's will upon the 
world unless America feeds that terror in order to accomplish a corporate 
agenda. We now know that there was no Bin Laden behind the 9/11 attacks. We 
now know that hundreds of things that should not and could not have happened 
happened against every law of coincidence and physics.

We saw WTC7 come down in a classic controlled demolition format. We have 
seen where the BBC announced that WT7 had fallen 26 minutes before it did. 
Read this compelling analysis of that event 
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html .we have seen all the 
phony Bin Laden's, the specter of worldwide Al Qaeda and all the devices 
that this rogue government, at the behest of the corporations, has used to 
enforce crowd control. There is only one reason for the insane security 
measures at airports and travel centers around the world. It is about slowly 
accommodating you to live in a police state. The reason governments move 
toward the creation of a police state is because what they -and the people 
behind them want- and what the people want are diametrically opposed.

You only get a police state when the government cannot trust the citizenry 
because the government seeks to oppress them beyond the limits of their 
ordinary tolerance. This is why there has to be an Eastasia. This is why 
there has to be terror attacks and terror threats so that the government 
that is pressing down upon you can appear to be protecting you.

I constantly encounter people who have put no time into studying what 
happened on 9/11 and whose looping disclaimer is that 'they' couldn't cover 
it up when it is prima facie that they are engaged in covering it up all the 
time. The idea that a government would not conspire against its people is 
lunacy. Of course governments conspire against their people. That is the 
nature of government and the reason why checks and balances are needed to 
keep it honest. History is filled with glaring examples of governments which 
have conspired against the populace. And when corporations run the 
government it is automatic that they would conspire because profit has taken 
supremacy over conscience.

The definition of a fascist state is when the corporations control the 
government. Do you need a degree in paying attention to see whether this is 
not the case today? Did you miss what happened at the FCC? Are you unaware 
of the battle for control of the few over the many? At what point do you 
decide to see what your denial and fear have denied you?

Become V. We can bring this dog to heel. It gets its food from us. Deny this 
dog his food and this dog will become attentive and ingratiating. You have 
to go for the critical, vital area. You have to go for the money. It won't 
fix itself people. It will only get worse because that is the nature of the 
beast. Destiny calls. Don't keep her waiting.

Have I Got it Right?
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=97737
posted by Visible at 1:58 PM 11 comments links to this post

Tuesday, August 28
People Get Ready there's a False Flag Coming.
Yes folks, it's that time again. If I was talking about the holiday season 
we'd be thinking about pumpkins and turkeys and holiday lights; Christmas 
shopping, school pageants and "chestnuts roasting on an open fire". But I'm 
not talking about the holiday season. I'm talking about the next terror 
attack. It won't be sugar plums dancing but the new booga booga bin laden 
dancing by way of Iran. It's time for 'Go west, young terrorist, go west.'

You've seen dozens of reports like this 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20466414/site/newsweek/ appearing all over the 
official, mass-terror media. These reports are appearing for several 
reasons. One reason is to let you know that we know they are coming. We also 
need to let you know that even though we know they're coming we won't be 
able to stop them; the actual reason being that the actual terrorists are 
employed by the U.S. government. Another reason is simple confusion as 
exemplified in the motto of one of the chief terror players, "by way of 
deception, thou shalt do war." It's a given that deception is greatly aided 
by confusion. Think how helpful it was for war games to have been in 
progress during 9/11 that were simulating exactly what was happening.

We're seeing the strange 'put options' which are always a good indicator 
that both fan and shit are being readied back stage. We've got suspicious 
looking Middle Eastern men appearing in Seattle 
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002058959_ferry10m.html and 
flocks of geese walking over America's grave in The Bay Area, 
http://resistrevolt.com/2007/08/24/chatter-about-next-terrorist-attack-on-west-coast-at-all-time-high/ . 
enough with the links. We got links and you can get links too if your ipod 
dies or for some inexplicable reason you decide to pay attention to what's 
going on around you.

By this time most of us know that if it isn't the American neo-cons along 
with Israeli and British intelligence orchestrating the majority of all 
terror, domestic and abroad; including within Iraq, then its either aliens 
>from outer space or those mysterious, inner earth dwellers, whose access 
ports to their underground realms are located at the poles.

Maybe the use of a little logic might help right about now. Who benefits 
>from a major terror attack? Who has benefited from 9/11? Would Iran benefit 
>from the coming terror attack that is going to be blamed on them? Hmmm. let's 
see. They become the beneficiary of a horrific bombing attack from a 
collective American, British and Israeli joint operation. Yeah, I guess they're 
really looking forward to that. Yeah, if I were an Iranian that would be at 
the top of my list of things to do; let's blow up something in America so 
that we can be pulverized into rubble.

How did the Afghani Al Qaeda do following 9/11? They made out like bandits 
right? Let's see, a bunch of guys, who couldn't fly small planes very well, 
got together and hi-jacked four big airliners and did some synchronized 
aerial ballet that would try the abilities of an expert and then they won 
the Power-ball Lottery or. or.

American neo-cons got a mandate to wreak havoc upon every area of American 
life while looting the treasury and maintaining power over the landscape; 
war profiteers in London, in the center of world banking, made fortunes and 
Israel was able to turn world opinion against the Muslim, Arab world; turn 
public attention away from their apartheid and genocide practiced on The 
Palestinians and give free reign to unrestrained hegemony, not to mention 
attack Lebanon.

I know what my common sense tells me but then, I have common sense.

Yes people, it's time to get ready. It's time to stock up on duct tape, 
plastic sheeting, staple guns and staples, bottled water, dehydrated 
foodstuffs and lots of guns and ammo.

So where and when is it going to happen? Well, I'm not a psychic but I think 
we can speculate with some accuracy. It probably won't be NYC; been there 
done that. It won't be somewhere like Oklahoma because American 
conservatives are already onboard. The best place, from a tactical 
perspective is a heavy-weight liberal area. These are the clowns that are 
always complaining about Katrina and the war and other annoying things. 
Plus, they deserve it and double plus- scaring the liberal community will 
throw support to the fascists by sweeping in the fence sitters and 
ratcheting up the fear.

My best guess is in the area from San Francisco heading north. But. that 
could be a red herring. Now watch closely, at no point does the hand leave 
the wrist. Of course, LA is also a perfect spot. It would make sense to put 
public attention to the north while attacking the south. What's the latest 
Vegas line on Chicago? These are just mind games though and will only make 
you crazy.

When is it going to happen? The best guesstimates put it from early 
September to some time in March. It really depends on a combination of 
economic indicators, opportunity, who is where when and the usual concerns; 
remember, there's no point in a major terror attack if you can't make a 
financial killing too.

How totally devoid of conscience are these people? How cosmically arrogant 
are they? You only have to read this 
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m35722&hd=&size=1&l=e in order to measure both.

There is always the possibility that they will get caught in the act. People 
with the sort of gigantic hubris that they possess often make gigantic 
mistakes. Their present mindset is that it doesn't matter what we think or 
do because they are in charge and they can spin it any way they like 
afterwards. As you can see from the last link, a lot of the time they don't 
bother to spin at all. As one of their members said a few years ago, more or 
less, "We are an empire. We control and shape reality. It is whatever we say 
it is."

So. here we are. You can hear the drums and the bugles. You see the new 
patriotic commercials with the mothers of the dead soldiers and the disabled 
survivors. We've got Bin Laden and the mysterious Al Qaeda with a franchise 
outlet around the corner from every Starbucks on Earth and seemingly 
thousands of members with unlimited funding and terror think tanks and dirty 
bombs. We've got unusual and anonymous stock market action. We got unknown 
Middle Eastern guys doing Jack in the Box routines along the west coast. We've 
got drama, people. The same folks who brought you 9/11 are ready to bring 
you the next segment in the series. So get the popcorn in the microwave, 
make sure there's enough beer in the fridge, call Dominos, call your friends 
and then sit back in the Barcalounger and get the remote handy.

This is a multimedia experience. The same people doing it will be reporting 
it... and analyzing it... and protecting and not protecting you all at the 
same time. Why, even now, Bush's speechwriters are probably preparing his 
address. Bush himself may well be in the mirror striking poses and listening 
to an audio-book version of great speeches by Marc Anthony, Winston 
Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt with a bullhorn in his hand and a roll 
of socks in his crotch. Whatever it's going to be, it's certainly going to 
be pay-per-view. It's gonna cost. And whatever happens, in this case, it won't 
be true that you have "nothing to fear but fear itself". The fear and the 
fact, the problems, reactions and solutions are all going to be coming from 
the same place.

How about big hand for the psychopaths in charge?

Iridescent Dreams
http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?BandID=33200&content=lyrics&SongID=2817422
posted by Visible at 12:30 PM 38 comments links to this post

Saturday, August 25
A Generation of Vipers with the Patrick Bateman Shimmy.
A few years ago, Bret Easton Ellis wrote a book called American Psycho. It 
was about a psychopath called Patrick Bateman who killed people in horrible 
ways with no remorse whatsoever. The book was roundly condemned, often 
reviewed as without merit of any kind. The result was that it flew off of 
the shelves and made the author a pot of money. It later got made into a 
film with Christian Bale.

In recent times we've seen some disturbing characters come down the pike. 
>From Charles Manson on we've had an epidemic of serial killers. We've had 
the celebrated cases of John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dalmer and Ted Bundy. Then 
there have been the Menendez Brothers and O.J. Simpson. A certain 
personality type has become commonplace in society and spans the gamut from 
the very poor to the obscenely rich. This personality type is defined as a 
Psychopath. They've always been around but never so many as today.

(Yes, I know the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath and we're 
going to go with psychopath for the purposes of this essay.)

It's a common misperception to believe that these types are exclusively 
confined to areas of criminal behavior, usually resulting in murder, though 
often engaging in other crimes against person and society. The fact is that 
these types often move through life without ever being directly engaged in 
'obvious' criminal enterprise. But one thing you can be sure of, they hurt 
other people. They enjoy it. It makes them feel good; if they actually feel 
anything at all.

My interpretation of a psychopath is a person whose reptile brain has 
murdered their conscience. This is their first offense and it is against 
themselves. Some seem to have been born this way. Some are forged out of 
their environment at the hands of their parents and other forces. It's my 
belief that they are predisposed in this direction. Many of us have suffered 
greatly but we don't turn out like that. Often our suffering makes us into 
better people than we might have been.

For some reason, at certain times, these psychopaths flower; the earth has 
the right chemical balance, there's the right amount of sun and rain and so 
on and so forth. I'd blame materialism but that's my take.

Bush and Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, Rice, Libby and their financiers. 
they are all psychopaths. The radio talk show hosts; celebrities of every 
stripe, bankers and lawyers, doctors and priests, academics and accountants, 
scientists and mine owners, stockbrokers and New Age guru's. You can find 
psychopaths in every field working for the one objective that is the focus 
of them all. self interest; and woe to those who get in their way.

Often they work alone. Not infrequently they band together; in business, 
politics and religion. They take language and they give it their own 
meaning. They smile a lot and they are very engaging. You'll get the same 
smile when they sell you your house as what you get when they take it away 
>from you. It's all the same to them. In their minds everyone is fair game 
and everyone is, or should be, working for them.

They see the thousands dying in Iraq; the people suffering in Darfur, 
Palestine and much of Africa as something akin to animals who do not feel 
pain as human's do- not that that would matter. They see economic 
possibility; "Okay people, let's think about how we can get some aid money 
for these people and then invest it in that sub prime hedge fund and then 
sell it to the Europeans and Asians." Or, "You know, it looks to me that the 
Janjaweed could use some better weaponry but first, let's put some pressure 
on Congress to intervene so we can ratchet up the conflict and increase the 
need."

On and on it goes, centuries of suffering; tens of thousands impaled on 
stakes, thousands sealed still alive into walls as if they were some sort of 
strange mortar, hundreds of thousands starved and tormented behind razor 
wire. We always look back and think how uncivilized they were. We believe 
that we are civilized in our cities, in our suits, moving though the 
corridors of the workplace, making money- gambling on disaster and 
mathematical fluctuations where no matter what happens you're okay if you 
bet right.

Wars created for no other motive than profit and stock exchanges filled with 
expensively dressed men and women buying and selling, based on commodities 
dependent on death and destruction, with lawyers and accountants to handle 
their affairs except for the ones they're having in their townhouse on the 
nights they don't go home to Westchester or Greenwich.

People bopping down the street with the world sealed away by ipods and 
cellphones, drowning in entertainments designed to focus their attention on 
their own needs. When the screams become too loud they can just turn up the 
volume.

People in cafes and diners celebrating the murder of endless scores of 
people who had no part in the condition created out of lies to justify their 
good fortune in being innocent bystanders and collateral damage; people who 
see people as numbers, people detached in a nation of sociopaths who drive 
by people living in cardboard boxes in the richest country on earth where 
tens of thousands of children are working the streets as prostitutes, where 
the easy flow of opiates is guaranteed by the protectionism of the Afghan 
war whose profits flow into the accounts of the same people in suits who bet 
right, invested right and "if I don't do it somebody will." Money has no 
conscience and neither do they.

These are just a few of the thoughts that run through my mind while I trace 
the dotted line as it weaves from point A to point B and beyond; a tortured 
highway of connections between a piece of paper signed in one place that, a 
week later, activates an army of Patrick Batemans because that Patrick 
Bateman signed the paper on instructions from his banker who is also Patrick 
Bateman.

Some people think this is funny. Some people think this is business as usual 
and some people think it's none of their business. Maybe it's none of my 
business either in this generation of vipers.

Screwing over the competition, driving the competition out of business, 
forcing new businesses into economic peril with the assistance of complicit 
bankers and then buying up someone's dreams for a song. this is considered 
smart business. You get patted on the back. You get oral sex from the 
children of the people you ruined and everyone laughs and has a martini. 
Yes, it's that bad.

The corporations don't have to worry. When they overextend and threaten the 
survival of an entire country, the banks, with the people's money will bail 
them out. You see it every day. The rule of law, that instrument which 
guarantees fair play and equitable conditions that punishes evil doers? 
Justice is a decision in their favor. Justice is blind because they put her 
eyes out. Then they tore her clothes from her body and used her and then 
sold her to a McBrothel. When she can't perform any longer they'll juice her 
into Soylent Green frappe and sell her at Starbucks.

It's got to be the nature of the system. It's got to be that the system got 
progressively altered over time until it was a willing whore for corporate 
interests. Once that was established then everything from the education 
industry to the music you hear was all tailored toward creating a nation of 
Patrick Batemans who are conditioned not to care about anybody but 
themselves.

It's a hard road you've chosen and it grows darker by the day. With no one 
to stop it, it runs straight up to the gates of Hell. (A TV game show buzzer 
sounds.) "Shut up Cassandra, nobody wants to hear that crap."


Brotherhood
http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=33200&content=lyrics&SongID=5476304



posted by Visible at 1:16 PM 15 comments links to this post

Wednesday, August 22
History Channel, 9/11 Conspiracies Suicide-Swipe.
Oops, they did it again. They did it right in the middle of the road at high 
noon where the whole world could see every blemish on their big, fat, lying 
asses. Most of you would have to be at least as stupid as they think you are 
not to be made uncomfortable by such a poorly executed farce. This was 
overkill to the max. This was absurdity at a level never seen before and it 
will stand as compelling evidence of near smoking gun proof that the 
official version of what happened on 9/11 is a lie.

I realize that a lot of people are very upset right now. The internet is 
shooting sparks 40 miles high. Those suckered into an appearance on this 
spectacle are outraged and fuming like the smokestacks of the Industrial 
Revolution. However, that part of it is your own damn fault. Some of you 
were just looking for a little more celebrity out of this rich minefield of 
nitrogen. You know who you are. You're the ones with the winking 
advertisements on your sites. You're the ones who can't miss a photo-op even 
if you have no control over the way you are going to be presented. You were 
hoping against hope even when you knew; YOU KNEW that they were going to go 
after you with dull axes and bad camera angles.

Too many of you are looking to make your careers on the back of this awful 
event. You figured that once you'd gained that greater celebrity that you 
will go on to do all kinds of good for the human race. Unfortunately you 
come off as the same kind of opportunists that you despise on the so-called 
'other side'. I want you to think about this and stop your howling like a 
stuck pig. It's not as bad as it seems. In fact, if you'll just cool your 
jets for a moment, I want to explain to you how this may well be the best 
thing that has happened so far.

Once you can step away from your sense of injury and wounded pride I want 
you to watch this program again. I want you to see that the extremes to 
which they went to make an indefensible point has now become one of the best 
weapons in your arsenal. This is living proof that they are scared and on 
the run. How could they have exposed themselves and their agenda in such a 
light? They're as nervous as hens. Apparently people are listening to 
something other than the mainstream news. Apparently there is a revolution 
of complicit souls telling everyone they meet that the government and their 
corporate masters are lying sacks of a nitrogen rich substance. You should 
be overjoyed that they REALLY put their foot in it this time. I've got a 
feeling that, once you get over feeling bad, you are going to be very 
pleased.

They are on the run! Somewhere, at some point, most of the people in the 
country became aware that the government and the media are lying. They can't 
undo this and when they put together such a disastrous and damning, 
unintentional satire as this they have really screwed the pooch and the 
pooch isn't liking it one bit. People. this is a very good thing. They 
really should have known better but they did not. They have handed us the 
sort of thing every prosecutor and defense lawyer dreams of.

What? You're saying, "sure, but millions of people saw this and we- the 
truth movement- do not have that kind of exposure." Au contraire, if we didn't 
have that kind of exposure they wouldn't have felt forced into showing their 
hind end in such an embarrassing fashion. This may well be the straw that 
breaks the camel's back and they put it there themselves.

I'm not a fan of Loose Change. I don't find it near comprehensive enough. I 
wonder if its success isn't partially based on that. There are much more 
concise and damning presentations about and this leads me to several 
possibilities.

Have you any idea what kind of a film can be made for $100,000.00? That 
amount of money is chump change and surely those of you with the bigger 
sites have got that kind of coin. From this History Channel hit piece you 
have all the material you need to sink them in the water. They have given 
you all you need if you will just look at what I am saying and then look at 
the film again. You could make a documentary based solely on this film and 
have devastating impact by merely dissecting their machinations; not to 
mention refuting the poorly contrived arguments. It's not just the public 
who needs to wake up and smell the dead bodies in the road, it's the 9/11 
truthers who need to get a clue.

Such a film could be entered at every film festival and made available 
through the marvel of the internet to the whole wide world. Just once, let's 
make something truly powerful and profound without being ballast ridden by 
minutiae. I'm not a film maker but even I could do this as a result of being 
organized and possessing common sense. It's a slam dunk. Let's not be pissed 
off. Let's be grateful. They blew it. They shot themselves in the foot and 
photographed themselves propositioning the park ranger in the public 
restroom. We have the advantage. Listen to what I am saying.

Please put aside your opportunism and efforts at self-advancement. If fame 
is in your cards it will come. Fame gained for the purpose of fame turns 
into a negative gain. Let's get canny and focused people. We have them on 
the run. They didn't need to do this and they certainly didn't need to do it 
this badly. So. think about it. why did they? Think.

The bad news is that they most certainly have to do something nasty now. 
They have to distract the world's attention from what has become an 
avalanche of lies now rotting in the sun. My guess is that they are going to 
screw that up too. For the first time in a long time I get the feeling that 
the tide is turning. We have them on the run; Carpe Diem, people.

Trace the ownership of The History Channel and look at who is saying what 
and never mentioning the conflicts of interest and lay it out. Focus on the 
cherry-picking, creative editing and special effects and use your wit and 
clarity to nail them to the wall. Take the actual clips that they 
manipulated and SHOW THEM as they were in fact. There are thousands of us at 
work here. Some of us have large audiences. Some of us have smaller 
audiences. But when you put together the sum of our collective audiences, it 
is very large and world wide. They can't stop us. We have the advantage and 
they handed it to us free of charge.

Everyone who got filmed with a mullet and taken out of context and dismissed 
with extreme prejudice should take heart this very hour. Millions are 
waiting to see what you are going to say and how you are going to handle 
this. Are these disinfo agents lying, murdering swine? Assuredly they are. 
Has their hour come round at last? It may well have. Mark my words; this is 
going to turn against them in spades. This is going to resound all over the 
world. They messed up. We have the advantage.

Go fix yourself a cup of coffee or crack a beer. Make your way out on to the 
deck, to the gazebo, over to the kitchen table or wherever it works for you 
and savor this moment. Put away your sense of injury and get frosty. Get 
gimlet-eyed and feel the delicious anticipation that precedes your 
opportunity to cut these fools to shreds. It's in your hands now and the 
whole world is watching. We're all counting on you to show us what you're 
made of. This hatchet-job is a serendipitous gift. Make the best of it.

Light Up Ahead
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Thursday, August 16
The Morlocks and the Eloi.
It's like the constant drip of water from a faucet with a bad washer. It's 
like cold February wind leaking under a badly hung door. It's like rats in 
the attic and garbage on the yellow lawn. It looks like a rusted truck on 
cinderblocks in an empty lot; there's a doll's torso and an old tennis shoe. 
Its gang tags and gum on your seat and all the warning signs of something 
going down hill into a bottomless abyss.

>From inside a house you can hear a loud TV. It's saying America has talent. 
It will say a lot more before the night is through. In that ordinary night 
people will hunt each other in service to the elemental hungers. In some 
cases aggression will win out over restraint. There will be blood and fury 
and regret. Sometimes there will be no regret.

It won't just be America. It will be all over the world; the violence of 
thoughts that become words and then acts. It won't be just tonight but every 
night and every day and it will all be explained as something other than 
what it was. The bigger the crime the less the explanation will resemble the 
actual event.

Most people don't know about Israel's attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. Few 
people know that it is documented that Israel knew that it was an American 
ship. Fewer people still know that Israeli planes went on to fire on the 
sailors in the lifeboats. Even fewer people know that the reason Israel 
attacked the U.S.S. Liberty was because they had evidence that Israel was 
responsible for the Six Day's War. You see, the U.S.S. Liberty was an 
intelligence ship. The U.S.S. Liberty had intercepted communications that 
revealed this.

Most people think that the recent Lebanese conflict was started when some 
IDF soldiers were 'kidnapped' on Israeli soil. Actually they were captured 
on Lebanese soil. Israel was massed for their assault on Lebanon even before 
this so-called kidnapping. They're psychic, after all. Why do I sometimes 
repeat things I've said before? It has to be done. John Mearsheimer and 
Steven Walt just had their September appearance at the Chicago Global 
Affairs Council cancelled. Intense pressure was placed upon the council and 
that was that. Interestingly, Michael Oren, an Israeli neo-con was allowed 
to speak there and that was just fine. And so it goes with Rachel Corrie and 
the play about her struggle.

.and so it goes with engineering the Iraq War and the press to attack Iran 
and Syria. and so it goes with all the 9/11 evidence. and so it goes in 
Gaza. and so it goes at Barnard University. and so it goes. So it goes in 
such a multitude of examples that they could not be contained here. Where 
and how does it end? Who cares.?

America has become a nation of Morlock and Eloi. The Eloi are the American 
people and the Morlocks are the American neo-cons in the service of Israel 
with their foot soldiers, their harvest workers, their storm troopers; the 
bad acid Christians, the brainwashed bullet heads and everyone frightened 
enough to kill because they have lost their reason. The Morlocks eat the 
Eloi. But. it's one of those things. The Eloi know that they are afraid and 
they know that a certain number of their fellows disappear but they don't 
'really' know what happens. They don't want to know.

Let's just say it right out. Let's just say it and not pussy-foot around. 
Israel is a hegemonic, fascist nation. They lie and cheat and steal and kill 
without remorse and then they blame it on someone else. From the days of the 
Irgun to these days of using Palestinian children for target practice and 
starving the populace; marooning them in the Egyptian desert, bulldozing 
their trees and walling off their gardens. nothing has changed, except for a 
widening theater of operations. You've only got to ask any of the 
international force of aid workers in Palestine about what is happening 
there. You've only got to study the real history of events to see what's 
what. You've only got to study the players, their backgrounds and loyalties 
to see who brought you the Iraq War.

It is obscene. all those cluster bombs dropped on Lebanon AFTER peace was 
agreed on. It's obscene, all those Israeli contractors in Iraq and those 
working in Abu Ghraib prison. It's obscene, the routine beating and murder 
of Palestinians by Israeli settlers on Palestinian land. Once again, there 
isn't space here to lay it all out.

Meanwhile, in the Homeland. things just get worse. It's an occupied country 
under foreign rule. It's a massive stock-pen of disposable livestock being 
groomed for the killing fields of Israel's wars. It's a land where the 
people are, at a remarkably frightening rate, coming to look like fattened 
animals. all for the table of the Morlocks.

The Morlocks are laughing at you and you can't do a damn thing about it, can 
you? A tiny handful of vicious psychopaths are blowing up your real estate 
and they aren't Muslims. Bin Laden flat out stated he had nothing to do with 
9/11. No one could say that Bin Laden 'was' a coward or that he wouldn't 
take credit for such an impossible, surgical strike. How freaking stupid are 
you- American Eloi- that you still don't see the insane mountain of evidence 
blotting out the sky in front of you?

You can't say anything critical of Israel in occupied America; the Morlocks 
won't have it. You can lose your job and be censured across the board. How 
outrageous can these occupying overlords become? When Paul Wolfowitz was 
asked what he thought about the term 'neo-con', he said it was anti-Semitic. 
That ominous, looming club of the anti-Semitic slur hangs over every head 
like the Sword of Damocles.

What I want to know. what I really want to know is; where are the cries of 
outrage among the American Jews at what is taking place? Why the silence. 
friends? Is America not your homeland? Would the silence be so telling: .if 
it were China or Russia who wielded such enormous and illegal influence upon 
the laws of your land? You have a history of oppression? Should not such 
oppression and stifling of free speech not deserve comment? How did you come 
>from "never forget" to such a capacity to overlook the same thing happening 
in Palestine and other parts of the world today?

It would not matter so much were there not such a magnitude of bloodshed and 
suffering. Yet the lives of the Eloi are of no account. It is their destiny 
and their value as living beings clearly laid out in the Talmud. They are of 
no importance. They are "ants in the afterbirth."

No matter what the degree of the carnage and oppression, voices will cry 
out. The Earth itself cries out. There is something in the human spirit that 
will not be extinguished by mere suffering and want. There is some 
unknowable force in human affairs that will always rise to the occasion. 
History will be the judge. Your own conscience will be the judge and there 
is no hiding place where that which you are will not follow you.

I'm going to paraphrase Bertrand Russell. He said something to the effect 
that, when a people are oppressed the whole world mourns and looks on and 
says, "What can be done for these people?" but just as surely as they throw 
off their chains they become ten times more vicious than their oppressors 
ever thought of being. So it is.

So long as people are content to be Eloi, there will be Morlocks to feed 
upon them.

And We Could all be Free
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Sunday, August 12
God Bless You Cindy Sheehan
You were just another American mother who lost her son in the war. I suppose 
at first there was nothing but grief and loss. From what we hear, your son 
was a fine person; maybe he had become a man already and maybe not but he 
was man enough to go to war. Something died in you the day you learned that 
he was gone. He didn't tell you he was going. He didn't like Bush and he 
thought the war was wrong but he felt it was his duty to go. This is what 
you said about him afterwards

A good portion of those we send to war are not men but in the process of 
becoming one. Possibly they hope that the military will make them one. Many 
of them join for the promise of education. They hope the odds will be in 
their favor. Many of them join because of trouble at home or the lack of 
opportunities. Some join because they love their country and some, it must 
be said, join in the hope that they might become a hero or get to kill 
someone.

I imagine that you grieved for some time. I imagine that you grieve still. 
At first the grief must have been all consuming and you didn't think about 
much except the fact that you had lost your son. As time passed you began to 
wonder just what Casey had died for. As you studied the circumstances 
surrounding the war you discovered that it was based on a pack of lies. You 
discovered that the leaders of your country were among the most depraved and 
venal to ever serve in their positions; and that was saying something.

The more you looked, the more ugly truths were revealed to you. I imagine 
you found it hard to believe that such things could happen in America. I 
imagine that America began to seem like an unknown country to you. I imagine 
you got angry and you wanted answers. You decided that you would go see 'the 
decider'. You wanted Bush to tell you why your son had to die in his illegal 
war. You wanted to hear the horse's ass speak to you from the horse's mouth.

You discovered that no one gets to see Bush unless they have a lot of money 
on the table. You found out that Bush doesn't much care for anyone who doesn't 
serve his interests. Bush's handlers began to make comments about you as you 
began to make a nuisance out of yourself. They told of how they understood 
your grief. We got the impression you were a simple woman, not very bright, 
whose grief was being exploited by traitorous factions within the American 
culture. You weren't smart enough to see this happening to you so it wasn't 
your fault. However, giving you a forum also gave support to this country's 
enemies. You were dismissed. You should go home and take care of your 
family.

Something died in you the day you heard your son had gone down in Sadr-City, 
killed in an ambush a mere five days after he got there. He got shot in the 
back of the head in an unprotected trailer. Maybe something died in you that 
day but something else was born as well. Something came to life in you and 
it has become a force for change that will not be denied.

You've made a lot of people angry. Your husband left you. You've said that 
you have lost every friend you had before Casey died. It must be real 
important to you to stop this war. It must be really important. You are 
slandered and vilified in the press. People make jokes about your looks and 
your appearance. I've seen the hateful words and the sly innuendos. It seems 
there is nothing people will not say to shut you down.

You headed down to Crawford, Texas and camped out near Bush's ranch. What a 
circus that turned into. A lot of people started to see that there was 
something to the effort you were making for some kind of explanation from 
your country's leadership. You became a hero. You are a hero. You have 
traveled the road to speak to people in many countries. They were none as 
unkind as what you faced at home. The press said that you were collaborating 
with America's enemies. Still, you are just a simple woman, manipulated by 
dark forces that hate America for her freedom.

You've lead a march for impeachment on Washington. The press did not cover 
it. You've spoken many times in many places and the press did not cover it. 
You've been arrested many times, the press did cover that. We know about the 
press, Cindy. We just saw them at work ignoring Ron Paul's presence at the 
Iowa Straw Poll. We see how they ignore Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich. It 
is fairly apparent who the press works for. It must disappoint you to see 
the press behave like hyenas and monkeys. You must wonder what has become of 
your country. Isn't the deception and vile pandering a horrible thing to see 
Cindy?

Now you are going to challenge that fugitive from the Wax Museum, Nancy 
Pelosi. Good for you. Nancy Pelosi is a whore to special interests and a toy 
poodle for AIPAC. It's AIPAC and PNAC and the American neo-cons who 
manufactured this war that killed your son. They are the ones now 
fabricating a war with Iran. The democrats were elected to end the war and 
bring change to the corrupt way of doing business that has flourished for 
the last six years. They have done nothing Cindy. They have rolled over on 
the floor like dogs in anticipation of having their bellies stroked. It's a 
crying shame.

The press says you have no chance Cindy. I beg to differ. I think you have 
every possibility in the world of defeating this Kabuki-masked fraud that 
glad-hands and dances in a sanctimonious ballet as Speaker of the House.

I believe that you represent the very best of what is inside of us Cindy. 
You are living proof that there is light in the darkness. I believe you make 
the vampire bats in office sweat blood when they hear your name. I believe 
that you are honest and sincere and a credit to the human race. It makes me 
feel good to know that you are on the same planet. It stirs my heart.

I believe that what you do Cindy will have an impact on history. I believe 
that what you do will shame this generation for their apathetic postures. I 
believe that what you do shines a necessary disinfecting light upon the 
criminal operations of the present administration. I believe you do more 
good than you know and that more good will come from what you do than we 
presently imagine. I believe that one day you will win the Nobel Peace 
Prize.

You are the classic example of that spirit that rises now and again from the 
common crowd and gives us evidence of what we all should be. Don't mind the 
sneers and the slander. Don't mind the dismissive words and nasty 
commentaries from the mainstream gutter press. Many before you have 
experienced the same. We have come to now hold them as the heroes of their 
time.

It's a dark time, Cindy. Malevolent creatures cavort upon the dais with 
bloodstained hands and empty hearts; their minds devoid of conscience or 
remorse. We may not win this battle but we must fight it regardless of the 
outcome or the consequences. The day will come when the whole world will 
look back upon our time and see the truth of the matter. You have my 
gratitude and love for having been on the right side of the affair, for 
having had the courage to continue when so many did not.

She was another American mother
Who lost her son in the war
Death is hard when they go so young
When they die for nothing it hurts even more

The greatest love is the love of a mother
Out of her substance the body is formed
Out of her dreams the soul goes walking
sometimes the dream dies hard

God bless you Cindy Sheehan
For walking this road you are on
Many more sons may live a little longer
even though your son is gone

The president lied to his people
He ducked when his time came to fight
He's a man without honor or any regret
and justice will gather him yet

You may think god's not watching
but we're living proof God is real
yes sometimes God wakes up in people
that's something you see and you feel

God knows our country is troubled
God sees our leaders are blind
God is speaking through the love of a mother
open your heart and your mind

God bless you Cindy Sheehan
For walking this road you are on
Many more sons may live a little longer
even though Casey is gone

The president lied to his people
He ran when his time came to fight
He's a man without honor or any regret
and justice will gather him yet

I don't always know what the truth is
But a lie isn't that hard to see
Whatever is living in this woman's heart
I hope it will wake up in me

The rich and the powerful tremble
When truth appears at their door
One simple woman in a state of conviction
And look I see ten million more.
Look I see ten million more

God bless you Cindy Sheehan
For walking this road you are on
Many more sons may live a little longer
even though your son is gone

The president lied to his people
He hid when his time came to fight
He's a man without honor or any regret
and justice will gather him yet
oh yes it will...

God Bless you Cindy Sheehan
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Friday, August 10
Slip Sliding Away Down the Behavioral Sink.
Pinpointing the causes of a nation's decline is not always easy. Picking the 
moment when it started going down is even more difficult. Perhaps the major 
difficulty in both of these cases is that everyone has an opinion and a lot 
of the most powerful and forceful opinions are coming from agents of the 
decline who may well opine that it is not in decline at all. I can't believe 
I wrote that last sentence AND left it in. Possibly that is an example of my 
own individual decline or some latent desire to write a Broadway musical, 
but I digress.

Some might say that a bad government came out of nowhere and hijacked the 
nation and rode it into the ground. You could make that argument; America 
has never seen a government like this. Some might say it is a cultural 
thing, exemplified by the fact that two thirds of the nation is overweight 
or obese. You could make that argument. Some might say it was caused by 
turning away from the official text of the doctrine of the God that watches 
over them. A lot of people would argue that. Some might say this and some 
might say that. Some might say that agents of a foreign power caused the 
condition.

Yadda, yadda this and. yadda, yadda that. Down it goes no matter what anyone 
says. Maybe it's a natural phenomenon similar to autumn; brown, dead leaves 
falling, stark trees and hard winds coming. Maybe that's what all that 
excess flesh is for; to protect you against the pending, cold winter.

You would have to be pretty dense not to see the persistent and incremental 
loss of basic freedoms. You'd have to be dense or distracted not to notice 
the blatant, justifying lies; the manufactured boogeymen, the atmosphere of 
impending terror and all of the reflex actions taken by the government for. 
your own good. What kept you nailed in your seat while the ship went down? 
Was there something good on TV? Had you fallen and been unable to get up 
without the help of a winch? Was it bread and circuses? Was it the fear of 
being singled out and censured by the rest of the crowd? Did they call you 
Chicken Little?

Maybe another illustration would be more helpful. How do people become 
slaves? How are they placed into the position where they can be enslaved and 
trafficked by whoever is playing that role? I'll wager that you become a 
slave when you cease to be your own master. You become a slave when your 
higher ideals are discarded for the benefit of your lower appetites and when 
superstition prevails over reason.

Was it fear, stupidity or hunger than kept you locked in the house and 
nailed in your seat? Does it matter once the chains go on? It matters only 
if you get a chance to regain your freedom. In that case it's always good to 
know what the mistakes were that you made; if you get the chance. if you get 
the chance.

The Constitution and The Preamble and The Bill of Rights were based on 
observations made concerning the past. The authors knew about the dangers 
that could threaten a nation. Everything they wrote down was put there for a 
reason and all of it was based on events that had happened before. These 
documents were created as a protection against these events. Over the course 
of time quite a few examples of these dangers reared their ugly heads in 
many places around the world. Generations of Americans agreed that they had 
a good thing going.

You can look at it two ways. You can subscribe to the concept of 'the 
barbarians at the gate' or the 'danger from within'. Over the course of 
history both of these have acted out many times in other lands. America has 
had to deal with both conditions; the threat- whether it ever got that far 
or not- of foreign invasion, as well as the assault on national interests 
abroad and internal problems of large magnitude; the Civil War, Joe 
McCarthy, the Nixon White House and the present Bush administration. It was 
America's charters, her documents and laws that protected her. It was the 
checks and balances of her system that, intended for the common good, always 
brought her back to the center. Well, as Yeats once said, "Things fall 
apart, the center cannot hold." Is that what is happening now?

In order for America to go down, they have to compromise her charters, 
annotate her documents and change her laws. You need a really good reason to 
do this. To enslave a people in a democracy you have to get rid of the 
democracy first. You have to frighten the people about foreign enemies and 
internal dangers to the point where they will let you get rid of their 
democracy. Most people, given a moment to think about it will choose to live 
on their knees as opposed to dying on their feet (that is human nature), at 
least for the moment- and then you can change something else and then ask 
them again and then change something else. That's how it gets done.

You don't dismantle a country in a few days. There is so much that is 
involved in the process. You've got to weaken it here and weaken it there. 
At a certain point it will still be standing. It will look like it always 
did and then all you got to do is pull out this thing here and. fascinating 
to watch it all slip away and come tumbling down. just like controlled 
demolition.

There are some interesting comments to this blog entry that relate to fungus 
growths and mushrooms here 
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=22421260&postID=4505129164723932344 
Scroll down to number five and begin reading. Fairly engrossing stuff; 
something to think about. There's a lot of hope there and it may be all we 
have to hope for given the long and accelerating, greased slide- down the 
behavioral sink.

It's not the government that takes your freedom. You give it up. You cut a 
deal. You make a tradeoff. Are they gaming the system? Of course they are. 
Have they got control of the media and the armed forces and the police? 
Sure. Is it over before it's over? No. No it is not.

The same force that inspired your documents and charters lives in you today. 
You may have a problem finding it right off. After all, you've piled a lot 
of crap on top of it and being as it is a fire like the one symbolized by 
the torch carried by that lady in the harbor, when it burns crap, it smokes. 
You're going to have to clear away the crap and you're going to have to feed 
that fire with some other things you may not have seen in a while. You're 
going to have to look for these things; these virtues and ideals that you 
misplaced or replaced with something you found more flexible for your 
fancies and appetites.

When you find these things you are going to be able to see a little more 
clearly. First off, the smoke will have dissipated and secondly these things 
are going to help; these ideals and virtues have that capacity to help you 
see better; to think and feel with more precision. You've got to find your 
way back to who you are. You've got to remember what was important to you. 
One of the unfortunate things about losing something is that after awhile 
you forget it was ever there.

We have the power to change the world. Look at the impact a single 
individual has made in the past. Look at the inspiring tales of our heroes 
and legends. Look at the desperate times in which they labored and what they 
were up against. Despite the terrible conditions, despite the enormous 
bloodshed, history is filled with tales of courage and triumph. There are a 
lot of good examples. How are you doing with that at the moment?

You might have to change yourself first but you CAN change the world. Just a 
handful of people forged this nation and look where it went. Think about it. 
Think about what you might do if you decide not to slide down that sink. Ask 
yourself what is most important to you. What are the things you could not 
bear to lose? I'll wager that if you are a real human being that your life 
is not first on the list.

A song for the day-
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Monday, August 6
Dov Zakheim and the Missing Trillions.
What is the most outrageous piece of news that isn't being discussed? I 
would venture to say it is the strange tale of Dov Zakheim and the missing 
trillions. I hear all kinds of numbers. I hear 2.3 trillion from Rumsfield 
and I hear about one trillion that Zakheim can't explain. Still, you'll need 
to check the dates of Zakheim's days in the saddle as Pentagon Comptroller 
and then you can wonder to your hearts content. There's no doubt the money 
is gone and there's no doubt about who should know where it went but.what do 
I know? I know one trillion dollars is a lot of money. Isn't one trillion 
dollars a million million? Zounds!!!

Has the cost of the entire Iraqi incursion come to a trillion dollars yet? 
It certainly isn't anywhere near 2.3 trillion. Why isn't this under 
discussion? Is it just too big a thing, too enormous to comprehend, that our 
minds go blank when we think about it? Hmmm.

There are a number of researched sources for all of the details you need to 
get a grasp of the situation. I'm not going to go into that kind of detail 
here. It's been done better than I can manage at places like here 
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1015.shtml and here 
http://www.solari.com/learn/articles_missingmoney.htm this last link gives 
you many further links. You might want to read some of this before you 
continue here. And you should probably read this 
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml by the author 
of the first link.

The man at the center of this sub rosa controversy is Dov Zakheim. Here is 
what is said about him. He's a dual national Zionist and also a Rabbi. He's 
the co-author of this PNAC gem 
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf or, he isn't 
the co-author but he signed off on it and it was really written by Kristol 
and Kagan. I read different things and, having been burned once, I'm in no 
mood for putting anything out that isn't just as close to the truth as I can 
get. If you read the sources I have given and you extrapolate out to some 
degree you will find that Rabbi Zakheim is right there in the bed and under 
the covers snuggled up tight with all the other names that keep coming up. 
You'll also find an alarming amount of connections to 9/11. WTF?

Here are a few salient features that struck me. He resigned in March 2005 
when it was discovered that a trillion dollars was missing 
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/14509.php

On September 10th, 2001 (note this auspicious 'night before Christmas date) 
Rumsfield announced that 2.3 trillion was missing. 
http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national/pentagon_missing_trillions

Now wait a minute. doesn't this come to over 3 trillion dollars? Is Zakheim 
responsible for all of it or part of it? Is it a mere trillion for him and 
someone else lost the rest? I'm relying on you to square this away for me. 
This blog is interactive.

How can you not account for this amount of money in this day and age with 
computers?

Why has this, along with other news, (such as the WTC being near condemned 
status, prior to the attacks, because of billions in required 
refurbishments) with which we are familiar, disappeared from the landscape?

Most importantly, what was a dual nationality cat like Rabbi Zakheim doing 
in charge of the Pentagon's money supply? Forget that, what is Chertoff, 
another dual nationality cat doing in charge of Homeland Security? 
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=3594 You might find a number of 
things in this article interesting, one of which is this, "Chertoff allowed 
scores of suspected Israeli terrorists and spies to quietly return to Israel 
. In several cases, Israeli suspects working for phony moving companies, 
such as Urban Moving Systems from Weehawken, N.J., were caught driving 
moving vans which tested positive for explosives. On September 14, Dominic 
Suter, the owner of the moving company, which was found to be a Mossad front 
company, fled to Israel after FBI agents requested a second interview.

One group of 5 Israelis was seen on the roof of Urban Moving Systems 
videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center. These 
Israeli agents were returned to Israel on visa violations.

These Israeli suspects, and others, who had apparently transported 
explosives in the New York area, were allowed to return to Israel without 
being properly interrogated or their presence and activities in the United 
States having been vigorously investigated." (1)

Does it all sound like science fiction to you? Put "Chertoff dual 
nationality" into Google and see if you have enough time in your life to 
read the things you find.

Any time you start looking into the rabbit hole you run across the same 
names. There is this handful of people who constantly show up. Why are there 
continuous connections to Israel? As I have said before, I don't enjoy 
having to reach these conclusions. There is no more heavyweight subject than 
Israeli involvement in 9/11. There is nothing that causes more screeching 
and name calling, slander and opprobrium. But. every time you look and 
everywhere you look, the same names, the same connections, the same events 
pop to the surface of the lake like a dead body and smell as bad.

Now, either this is the most fantastic, most outrageous set of coincidences 
of which there is no parallel in human history or. there is something to it.

What are so many members of one of the smallest groups of people in the 
world doing in so many sensitive areas of the American government? How come 
they have so many irrefutable connections to one of the biggest events in 
American history? Honestly, I just want some answers. I don't know what to 
think and I don't like having to think about and speak about things that can 
make me a target of powerful interests that seem to be in control of a whole 
lot of bad shit.

Now, once again, either there is something to all of this or it is an 
unbelievable chain of coincidence that defies reason. What do we make of 
this? http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Dov_Zakheim_911.html This 
website http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2775 had to remove it 
due to Zakheim's lawyers. There's a lot of information from several sources 
here http://www.newsfollowup.com/flight77_32.htm ...I don't speak to the 
truth of the contents. I'd just appreciate it if you would READ, THINK, 
REFLECT and REASON. What I have placed before you is a small, small portion 
of what you can find which all speaks to the same thing. And speaking of 
outrageous coincidences, what is Zakheim doing as Corporate Vice President 
of System Planning Corporation? .more freaking coincidences. I've got more 
coincidences than there are illegal immigrants.

Unfortunately for me, this has gone way past coincidence and the 
circumstantial. This is some unknown animal hiding in plain sight. I don't 
know what to call it. It can't be coincidence or circumstantial, there are 
enough grains of sand here to create your own beach. It blares at me through 
klaxons. It's screaming from rooftops. It's dancing with ten thousand 
Broadway revues surrounded by all the lights of Las Vegas. I have to 
conclude what I fear to conclude.

How do we come to empirical fact? We get there by repeating experiments, by 
observation and by weighing evidence to the point where doubt is removed 
>from our conclusions. I'd really appreciate the readers weighing in with 
their thoughts and any further information they might have. If it walks like 
a duck and talks like a duck and looks like a duck and you see it mating 
with other ducks and producing more ducks; what do you think it might be?

Song for Today 
http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?BandID=33200&content=lyrics&SongID=1515288
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Friday, August 3
The Lonesome Death of the American Dream
As bad as we know it is; two terms of an unelected psychopathic stooge in 
the presidency, a murderous assault on home ground by the very government 
empowered to protect the people against it, the daily erosion of personal 
freedom, the trashing of the economy, the banal vomit inducing 
entertainments, the collective efforts of disinfo agents who present 
themselves as truthseekers, the cowardly opposition party crawling backwards 
in estrus toward the dark side, the control of American foreign policy by a 
foreign government and the enormous human suffering it has all brought 
about. as bad as it all is, it just keeps getting worse.

The worst part of all the evils presently operating under diplomatic 
immunity and protected by SWAT-bot forces of true believer enforcement 
agencies is what is happening to The Laws of the Land. America was a nation 
of laws. You may think it is the police and the army that protects you. You 
may think God is watching over America. You may have the idea that The 
Second Amendment provides you with a catastrophe backup and. there. there. 
is the area I want to visit today; no, not The Second Amendment but that of 
which it is a part.

The most serious danger you face is not from terrorists, crazed gun nuts, or 
even your poor discipline about what you eat and your reluctance to 
exercise. The first two are minor possibilities akin to being struck by 
lightning. The second is a real concern but more of a long term thing. Your 
most serious danger is what is happening to your laws; to the basic 
foundation of your rule of law. And this, this is what is intended by those 
who are determined to and engaged in the effort to enslave you.

It is your laws that determine how and where and when the military will act; 
how the police will act. It is your laws that determine whether agents of 
the law can drag you from your homes in the middle of the night. It is your 
laws that allow for you to be beaten by agents of the law for flying a flag 
up side down on your front porch. It is your laws that determine whether you 
can be shoved around, denied the right of assembly and generally messed with 
whenever they want to mess with you. Where are the laws that go into force 
when those who enforce the law are breaking the law? Where is the process 
that should be automatic that deters the abuse of the law by those empowered 
to defend it? Where is this thing that isn't working as I type these words?

You don't wake up one morning in a concentration camp and then wonder what 
happened. You were supposed to see the steps in the process. You were 
supposed to say something. You were supposed to get together with your 
neighbors and make a whole helluva lot of noise. You should have been smart 
enough to see all the manufactured events that led to all of the laws that 
were being designed to protect you from the imaginary threats being drummed 
up by those who were empowered to protect you and which wound up stripping 
you of your basic rights.

You should have wondered at the missing ballots in Ohio. You should have 
wondered at the yo-yo terror alerts. You should have wondered at the endless 
string of lies that justified all the horror and bloodshed and. you should 
have done something. You should have been part of a greater movement of 
citizens who gathered by the thousands and tens of thousands in parks and 
community centers and commercial areas and demanded that these ruthless 
profiteers and traitors be held accountable. You should have all refused to 
go to work. A nation that refuses to go to work WILL bring down the 
government. An informed public is a safe public and so. you should have 
wondered and you should have wondered aloud. You would have found that most 
everyone else was wondering too. Meanwhile you got fatter and shorter and 
more stupid until, one day, you couldn't remember when it first was that you 
dropped down on to all fours and forgot to get back up. You forgot when the 
last time you spoke a human language was. Now you make these animal sounds 
and no one can understand what you are saying.

Is this the way it is? Is America a nation of sheep? One poll after another 
show that you believe by a wide majority that 9/11 was an Inside Job, one 
poll after another show that you have no confidence in your leaders, one 
poll after another show that you want the U.S. out of Iraq, one poll after 
another show that you know, you think, you feel. that a whole lot of things 
have gone wrong. And one day after another your leaders on both sides of the 
aisle show that there's only one side of the aisle filled with milling 
opportunists and professional liars.

All of this comes down to an agenda driven core of merciless psychopaths who 
are agents of a foreign power. These PNAC/AIPAC vampire overlords in cahoots 
with the multinational corporations own the media that informs you of what 
to believe, even though you don't believe it. Unless you band together and 
shout from the rooftops and refuse to turn the wheels of the machine, you 
are lost. Don't blame me. Don't blame fate. Don't blame the immigrants. Don't 
blame the weather. Blame yourselves. Shut it down now.

Look at this people. Use your freaking reason. Use your minds- 
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html look at this and 
listen to what the BBC says about what cannot be explained away, no matter 
what sort of BS they employ. And yeah, The UK is also in the hands of the 
same people who are doing the same thing to you.

Look at this people 
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/020807hitpiece.htm and look 
at who is behind this presentation. Could it be more clear? Do I have to 
grab you by the back of the neck and rub your face in it and scream at you 
to tell me what you smell? Is it the buffet on the table that you smell? Is 
it your own fear that you smell which convinces you that you had better 
convince yourself that you don't smell anything at all? Wake the Hell up.

Now you want to run around like Chicken Little because some bridge fell down 
in Minnesota and a handful of people died? More people are dying in the 
Egyptian desert right now than went down off of that bridge and they don't 
have to die. They are being murdered. Yeah, let's all just wring our hands 
for awhile about a bridge collapse and then we won't notice that much larger 
numbers of people are dying every single day because your country is in the 
hands of agents of a foreign power.

History repeats itself. It's doing it right now. Very few Germans were Nazi's. 
They only needed a few. It's easy to accomplish once you control the 
law-making process and thereby those who enforce the law. It's enough to 
intimidate a village if you imprison or kill a few of the residents. You can 
always then count of a portion of the rest of the village to enforce further 
atrocity just so they can avoid it themselves. Human nature isn't a virtue.

You had better start holding your leaders accountable. You had better start 
taking responsibility for what happens in your name or you soon won't even 
have a name, you'll have a number. You had better get about it today. Now is 
the hour. Let me hear the sound of millions of voices raised in protest. Let 
me hear the sound of silenced machines. Let me see stalled cars and empty 
trains and buses and airplanes. Let me see empty malls and empty amusement 
parks.

Then. let us collectively listen to the anguished screams of the 
corporations as they gasp for breath. It doesn't matter what it may cost in 
the short term. It doesn't matter if some of us must die if it means that 
freedom shall continue after. Many before us have paid the price. You 'had' 
what you had because they did.

Something for you to listen to 
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=97737
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Monday, July 30
Greg Palast Takes a Dive in The Midnight Hour.
Most of us who seek the truth that glimmers behind a web of lies know who 
Greg Palast is. He presents himself as an investigative reporter. He's been 
a counter-culture hero of sorts who likes to picture himself as a Sam Spade 
in fedora sort of a guy who tenaciously digs to the real facts when the 
smoke machines and the light show hit the stage. I've enjoyed some things he's 
written. I'm not a regular reader but I run across him. It appears that Greg 
Palast is not who he presents himself to be. It appears, from my view, that 
he is a disinfo specialist.

I cannot say that he has not reported the truth before. I have no means of 
checking this. What I can say is that he has put himself solidly on the side 
of untruth with his name-calling dismissal of Dr. Steven Jones 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones -a world renowned physicist. Is 
Greg Palast a physicist? I don't think so and if I'm wrong about that I'm 
waiting for correction. For some reason, Greg Palast thinks that Dr. Steven 
Jones is a fruitcake for questioning the official 9/11 story and for 
subjecting the official explanation of how and why the 3 WTC Towers fell to 
the disciplines of the science in which he is widely considered to be an 
expert.

Dr. Jones is not the only credentialed scientist to dispute the absurd 
conclusions of the official 9/11 story. There are hundreds of scientists and 
academics from all over the world who dispute it along with a majority of 
the world's citizens. A child in primary school knows that 3 +2 does not add 
up to four. Greg Palast indicates that he does not know this in respect of 
the bad math in the official 9/11 story, yet. we are led to believe that 
Greg Palast is a truth seeker and an intelligent man. Pay close attention to 
the video interview with Greg that is coming up here shortly. What is the 
explanation for Greg's position in defiance of hard, empirical science, 
mathematical law and common sense? It can't be that he doesn't know. That's 
as absurd as his rejection of what is obvious to an ordinary layman. So why. 
why does he defend the official story?

What about Noam Chomsky? http://www.oilempire.us/chomsky.html he won't touch 
the 9/11 cover-up and his commentary is the worst kind of disingenuous 
patronizing. What is it about these famous and seemingly passionate 
defenders of the greater good with feet of clay? Is a person's honor of less 
value than their VIP entré and a paycheck? I can't fathom it. Thank god 
there are enough of us around that if they tried to bury us in the Chateau D'If 
they wouldn't have the room. They wouldn't have the room in Madison Square 
Garden; maybe not even in all of the fallen towers on a busy day. still, 
there are all too few.

Most of us don't make the big bucks getting cozy with the suits. Most of us 
don't put on a manufactured persona of cool and then disappoint the people 
who rely on us. Most of us don't posture as something we are not just so we 
can hang with the money men and get published and go to awards dinners and 
whatever it is that they do in the private railcars of the midnight hour 
when the brandy and cigars come out to play. Most of us are all too few.

At one site, http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/ there are dozens of 
professional pilots with thousands and thousands of hours in the air who 
have ferried tens of thousands of passengers and flown in combat and even 
flown the very planes that hit the towers and who all say it could not have 
been accomplished by the alleged perpetrators. There is overwhelming 
agreement that we are the beneficiaries of obvious and outrageous lies.

Let's go to the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPijAYCJ2YA .what am I 
missing? Can Greg Palast be telling the truth about everything else and 9/11 
too and I am just too stupid to see the light? Can Greg Palast be as stupid 
as his position makes him out to be? See, it doesn't make sense. Something 
is wrong with this picture. What might that be?

This is what you find when you go looking into circumstances surrounding 
9/11. You come up on Israeli involvement. You absolutely come up on Israeli 
foreknowledge. I think we can be pretty conclusive about that. It's a funny 
way for one of your so-called 'best friends' to behave. Could this be what 
Greg Palast and Noam Chomsky do not want to have to deal with? No less 
redoubtable a source than FoxNews put out a four part video on Israel spying 
(very quickly removed from their web site) on the U.S. 
http://100777.com/usa/israeli_spyring we've heard about 'The Five Dancing 
Israelis." http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html and there is 
a whole lot more that you can keep finding out until you realize that 
somehow, in some way, Israel is involved in 9/11.

Did I want to find this out? I'm a writer and a recording artist. I have a 
lifetime of effort in certain areas of endeavor. Is it not career death for 
me to refuse to knuckle under to a lie? Is it not a difficult thing for me 
to ask legitimate questions? It certainly is. However, some of us do not 
find the enslavement of our souls and sale of our integrity for a "mess of 
potage" to be a fair exchange. It comes down to what you value. It comes 
down to where your heart is. To quote Richard Lovelace, "I could not love 
thee (Deare) so much, love'd I not honor more."

The truth is not a thing of convenience, something that can be altered on a 
whim to suit us all. Heck, if that were the case, Mossad would have long ago 
altered the truth and there would be no evidence. But there is evidence, all 
kinds of evidence; nothing absolutely, smoking gun specific but the kind of 
evidence that a husband might have when he sees some guy hotfooting it away 
>from his house through a window when he arrives home unexpectedly a night 
early. He doesn't know what went on but his wife is in the house, she's 
dressed for bed and she doesn't want to talk about it and well. you get the 
picture. "I don't know honey, maybe it was a peeping Tom." Maybe it was and 
maybe it wasn't. And then you see things. You see things you don't want to 
see. The windows not closed, the bed is in disaray and you really don't want 
to believe "your lying eyes". But you have got to wonder.

Maybe Greg Palast knows "which side his bread is buttered on."

The other day, this http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291284,00.html 
(so-called) news story appeared in FoxNews and then, the next day on 
MSNBC.com. Who knows where else it has appeared? The headline says, 
"Hezbollah: We Are Ready to Attack Israel Again". The actual quote- QUOTED 
IN THE ARTICLE- turns out to be "We possess and we will continue to possess 
rockets that can hit any area in occupied Palestine if Israel attacks 
Lebanon," That's a lot different from the headline. That's a serious 
disconnect. Then in the article, once again, as it has been repeated 
thousands of times, it is said- again, by faceless correspondents that the 
Israeli soldiers were 'kidnapped' on Israeli soil when, in fact, as 
eyewitnesses to the event; police, journalists and citizens have stated, 
they were 'captured' several miles inside the Lebanese border 
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html please note what has 
happened to most of the links in this article. Many of the articles which 
announced it at the time have been since expunged from The Web. Is this the 
media Greg Palast has to deal with? Is it the media HE DOES 'DEAL' with?

This is my problem. When I set about seeking the truth in a matter, I weigh 
the evidence. When the evidence turns out to be inconsistent with 'official' 
conclusions that are declared to be the truth then I begin to wonder 'why' 
that is. When the evidence shows signs of warping and having been spun, 
folded and mutilated and when powerful interests begin to apply pressure for 
compliance with official explanations then I wonder more. I can't help 
wondering why someone insists that 2 + 3 equals 4. I can't just say, "Okay, 
you're probably right." just to avoid conflict or to protect my income and 
my personal safety. I'm not made that way and that's a problem you may be 
sure.

Watch the videos people. Read the links and extrapolate out a bit and ask 
yourself. "Does this make me wonder?" Look at the trend of the last six 
years. Look at how one thing has led to another, based on information PROVEN 
false. Study what we have learned about 9/11 and compare it to the official 
fairytale and then you tell me. you tell me if you're comfortable with what 
your reason and your intuition suggest as opposed to what you've been told.

Step by step, incrementally we go into a deeper darkness. We don't question. 
We follow the Judas Goat through the ramps and out to the killing floor. The 
soothing voice from the speakers tells us that everything is going to be 
alright. We want to believe that voice. Deep inside we are afraid. We are 
afraid the voice is lying because what we are hearing does not match up with 
what we are seeing and smelling. What will we do?

It's your world people. It's your life. You must decide whether it is 
preferable to live on your knees. Do you think it ends there? Do you think 
that maybe you will lose just a little liberty, a little freedom and then it 
will even out? Is that what you think?

You must demand that those who represent you are loyal first to the country 
in which you live. You have no idea how strong you are when you are united. 
Take the blinders away from your eyes and look! There is something in us 
that is greater than all of that which seeks to oppress us and drink our 
blood. It is up to you. It is up to us. Do you have the honor and integrity 
to stand up for yourselves and your family and your community or are you 
going to take that dive in the midnight hour? That is the question you are 
going to have to ask yourself. Sooner or later. sooner or later it is going 
to show up at your door.
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> Cut and paste job and copyrighted did you get permission to post it?
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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1188743042.959728.39510@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
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>> go here for interesting article
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>> http://mwma.org/news/content/view/187/2/
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>
> Mubarak's son will probably take over.
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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 2, 1:16 pm, Mirelle  wrote:
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>> Brave, sincere, and honest man.
>>
>> > Here's another account of yid nastiness and academic thuggery.
>> >http://www.joelhayward.com/
>>
>> HORRYFYING!
>> He broke the 11th commandment:
>> Thou Shalt Not Question the Holocaust Industry's Version of WWII.
>
> What's to question?  Established history is established history, and
> no amount of questioning it will ever change that.

Holofucks is bullshit the whole world knows that. The only real Holocaust is 
that Of the Russian people when the Jewish Commissars slaughtered 100 
million Russians including czar and his young family 




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"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
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> How usunsual. An Islamists and Jew hater supports Norman Finkelstein.
> You would blow up any other Finkelstein if you could.

Finkelstein is a bloody Jew, like yourself. Do you sons of whores fuck each 
other all the time!
>
> "Mirelle"  wrote in message 
> news:1188727447.276221.35220@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> CHICAGO -  A professor whose views on the Holocaust irked critics
>> plans to risk arrest by showing up on the first day of classes next
>> week at DePaul University after officials canceled his courses, took
>> away his office and put him on leave.
>>
>> The university recently informed professor Norman Finkelstein that his
>> three courses were canceled after a dispute over tenure that drew
>> charges of anti-Semitism against him.
>>
>> Critics find issue with Finkelstein, the son of Holocaust survivors,
>> who believes that some Jews have exploited the Holocaust. Finkelstein
>> is the author of five books, including "The Holocaust Industry:
>> Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering."
>>
>> When classes start on Sept. 5, Finkelstein, who teaches political
>> theory, will return to campus in response to "an attack on academic
>> freedom and due process," he said. He was expecting to return this
>> semester to teach "Equality in Social Justice," "Freedom and
>> Empowerment" and an honors seminar.
>>
>> "As usual I will show up for class on the first day and go to my
>> office. I fully expect to be arrested," Finkelstein told FOXNews.com.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295230,00.html
>>
>> Mirelle
>>
>
> 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 2, 1:57 pm, Mirelle  wrote:
>> On Sep 2, 8:02 am, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
>>
>> Piss off and get your Aliya over with.
>
> Sure, dear, the minute YOU get your ass over to your true homeland,
SHE IS HER TRUE HOMELAND, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS LEACHING ON THE AMERICAN 
TAXPAYER

> Iran, we will do our Aliyah.  Not one minute sooner!
YOU CAN KISS AHMADINAJD'S ARSE HE WILL HAVE KIKELAND FOR BREAKFAST! WATCH!
> 




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 CRAP! ZIONISTS MADE ZILLIONS OUT OF 911 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 2, 1:30 pm, Defendario  wrote:
>> L Alpert wrote:
>> > Venceremos wrote:
>> >> On Sep 2, 10:42 am, "L Alpert"  wrote:
>> >>> Venceremos wrote:
>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2:58 am, "marty"  wrote:
>> >>>>> I thought  oil took more money from US citizens then most
>> >>>>> everything combined and then we got terror from the same oil
>> >>>>> money.. Not a bad payback... for Arab growth and then we got to
>> >>>>> pay billions for Arab aid too, pay for terror, pay to bring
>> >>>>> millions of Arab here.. not a bad deal if you ask me"ElParedon"
>> >>>>>  wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:0aqCi.52711$Lu.5541@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> >>>> For your money you got oil from Arabs, you got 911 from the Jews
>> >>> The money from the oil helped sponsor 9/11, which was perpetrated by
>> >>> your brother nut job arabs.
>> >> EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT JEWS DID IT! JEWS MADE ZILLIONS OUT OF 911
>>
>> > Goyim 
>>
>> That's all anyone needs to hear from you, aLphart
>>
>> The evidence that the September 11th events were a false flag is
>> manifold and pervasive.  No Arabs had access to the buildings in
>> question, so we can discount the possibility of Arab involvement in the
>> controlled demolitions of the buildings, including the Pentagon.
>
> Hey, stupid, no Arab needed access to any of those buildings.  They
> crashed AIRPLANES into them, remember?  All they needed was access to
> airplanes, which they got!!

AIRPLANES DID NOT KNOCK THOSE BUILDINGS THERMITE CHARGES DID. AIRPLANES WERE 
JUST SLEIGHT OF HAND! 




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"Don Ocean"  wrote in message 
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> Benjamin Cramer wrote:
>>
>> "Reargunner"  wrote in message 
>> news:MPG.21451ea47e944c6498a0ac@west.Usenet-News.net...
>>> It is a myth Alex you have been fooled. Here read this.
>>>
>>> http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=273451646191131
>>
>> Do yids own the IBD?  More than likely, given the shite in the below.
>>
>> The Taliban are most certainly in resurgence mode. Just watch this space.
>
> And now the Taliban is raising opium poppies to sell in America to finance 
> their war with us. Before we invaded they condemned opium growing and use.

Worse tham that! It is reported that at least 30% of the troops are heavy 
addicts. Including many pilots 




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"Don Ocean"  wrote in message 
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> Benjamin Cramer wrote:
>>
>> "Reargunner"  wrote in message 
>> news:MPG.21451ef4e595437e98a0ad@west.Usenet-News.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex apparently the Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes
>>> against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians=3F
>>> military capability in three days, according to a national security
>>> expert.
>>
>> Doomed to failure, isn't it.
>>
>> The dumb yanks haven't won a war ever.
>>
>> Wars they have been involved have been won, but nothing on their own.
>
> Heh! Heh!
> And yet without us.. You folks in Australia would be eating Sushi and rice 
> and kissing imperial Japanese ass. Wasn't the Battle of the Coral sea an 
> all Yank thing? ;-p I spent some time in an outback tracking station lad..
Woomera or Darwin? 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> So Alex you are saying that mullahs (Muslim religious cleric) lie!

YOU LIE! AND THERE ARE NO PRIESTS IN ISLAM
>
>
>>
>> "Reargunner"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2144c7fc99d3158b98a0a0@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > Alex the reason the Muslims complain about the festival is because they
>> > do not segregate the audience by gender. As a Muslim you should know
>> > these laws.
>>
>> THERE IS NO SUCH A "LAW" ARSEHOLE, AND MUSLIMS DO NOT SEPARATE BY GENDER
>> EXCEPT IN YOUR SICK IDIOTIC  MIND
>>
>>
>>
>
> 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> Why should people embrace losers?

ISLAM IS A WINNER! ALLAHU AKBAR!
>
>> >
>> > Alex this is how it is done!
>> >
>> > http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/08/31/how-to-train-teens-to-kill-for-
>> > islam/
>> >
>> >
>> > Some of you would say, Islam is a religion and nothing is wrong with it
>> > but honesty these teachings are destructive for humanity
>>
>> AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ARSEHOLE.MORE JEWS ARE EMBRACING ISLAM 
>> THAN
>> EVER!
>>
>>
>>
> 




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 > I'm sure you have proof of this.  Please share it with us.

PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING ATSEHOLE1 JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED MANY 
MILLIONS INCLUDING THE CZAR OF RUSSIA AND HIS CHILDREN BY BAYONETTING THEM 
IN THE EYES 




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 Al Qaeda does not exist! Resistance to the Zionists does 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
> news:E4fCi.52193$Lu.17294@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> >Many citizens concerned by the undue influence of the Israel lobby are
>> >dismayed by the action of the US Congress that adopts resolution after
>> >resolution favoring Israel with nary of word about its failure to make
>> >peace with the Palestinians, whose land it inhabits,<
>
> That's because most  of them know it is the Arabs who are occupying Jewish
> land. After all, Jesus wasn't an Arab and he used to visit the Temple, not
> the "Haram al Sharif." It doesn't say in the New Testament that He drove 
> out
> the money lenders from the Haram al Sharif.

YOU MUST BE SOME OLD WHORE TO REMEMBER ALL THAT CRAP! 




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 If you son a whore do not learn to respect Palestinians and kis their feet, 
you will be manure 




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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fbdjdv$288$1@pcls6.std.com...
> In article ,
> Benjamin Cramer  wrote:
>
>> No nazi in me, old thing.
>
>   You've been a nazi ever since your youth,  vermin.
 SO WHAT? HE HAS A RIGHT TO BE A FUCKING NAZI AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO 
BE AN LONG NOSED ARSEHOLE!s 




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http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/30-08-2007/96540-usmissileshield-0

Another case of military neo-colonialism, the backbone of Washington's 
foreign policy, backfires and blows up in the Bush regime's face - the 
majority of Czechs and Poles do not want the USA's missile defence shield on 
their territory because it will bring their international reputation down to 
US levels. Environmentalists alerted over special protected site in Czech 
Republic.


Protests in the Czech Republic, a damning opinion poll in Poland, fruit of 
the neo-colonialist, neo-imperialistic, gung-ho, arrogant, chauvinistic 
foreign policy of the Bush regime, wholly owned and controlled by the clique 
of neo-fascist sycophantic corporate elitists which gravitate around the 
White House, holding its policies and the American people in a vice-tight 
grip as it uses their money and abuses their trust.

Protected natural area

In the Czech Republic, a protest march held this weekend joined together 
hundreds of angry demonstrators, who marched to the site where the US radar 
system is to be installed, namely in a protected natural area at Brdy. Josef 
Hala, one of the organizers of the No to Bases group, stated that "This is 
not a matter of politics...We want the people who have never been there to 
see it. There is wonderful nature there, they should understand why we 
protect the area".

The opposition Social Democratic Party is against the installation of the 
radar system on Czech soil, a position shared by the majority of the Czech 
population, according to opinion polls.

Poland against interceptor missiles

The percentage of Poles against the deployment of US interceptor missiles on 
Polish territory has risen from 55 to 56 per cent, according to the latest 
survey carried out by CBOS polling centre in Warsaw. Only 28 per cent of 
those polled favour the plan.

70 per cent of the poll stated that the Polish Government had not done 
enough to inform the people of the plans, 34 per cent claim the shield will 
damage Poland's international reputation and 32 per cent claim it would 
weaken Poland's standing within the European Union.

It is clear that the Bush regime's foreign policy is antagonistic to the 
hearts and minds of the international community. No regime in the history of 
mankind has done more damage to international law, international 
institutions, including the UNO, no Government in Washington has done more 
damage to the standing, reputation and legacy of the United States of 
America or the North American people.

It is not without reason that Latin Americans are refusing to be called 
simply "Americans" and request the use of the adjective North Americans 
because they are ashamed of being associated with their neighbours to the 
north, due to the murderous criminal activities of the Bush regime and its 
cowering clique of sycophants abroad.

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY 




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What will happen, if Iran is attacked?

Iranians will defend themselves, no doubt. American weapons and especially 
American nukes can no doubt, destroy most Iranian cities and industrial 
installations and even big parts of the military hardware, and bomb the 
country into the stone-age eventually.
It will, however, be impossible even for the far superior American 
fire-power to destroy all of Iranīs missiles at first strike.

Some missiles will get through and they will hit Israel and hit it severely.

An attack on Iran might kill millions of Iranians, but it also will kill 
tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Israelis.

Cheney, the Neocons and the Israeli government might be willing to sacrifice 
so many Israelis. The Jewish Israelis, however, would not want to sacrifice 
themselves.

Israeli Jews are not used to living in squalor and need either. They are not 
used to living like citizens of a developing country.
During a total war a lot of infrastructure would be destroyed, and the 
economy would no longer be able to provide Israeli Jews with the 
living-standard of an industrial country, the standard they are used to. 
They would leave Israel en masse.
A majority of Israelis have either been born in another country or have 
lived there for years. These people have viable options.

And since a war against Iran would last probably for many years, and if it 
spreads through the entire Islamic world, it would last for decades, those 
refugees would not return for all this time.

By the time the war is over the Zionist state would indeed have collapsed 
for lack of Jewish citizens who are willing to keep it running, just as the 
Iranian President has predicted.

While neither the Iranian leadership, nor the leadership of another Islamic 
country are insane enough to attack a nuclear armed Israel, allied with a 
nuclear super-power, the repercussion of an all out war against a big 
well-armed non-nuclear Islamic country would destroy Israel.

For people who care so much for Israel as the Neocons such a 
counter-productive move would indeed be insane.

But are they really insane or is this just another Macchiavellian ploy, an 
"insane game"?

Everybody knows that torture is a very unreliable way to extract 
information, far more efficient is the fear of being tortured.

If you would be the victim of a robbery, who would you be more afraid of, a 
cold-blooded gangster or a drug-addict who looks like he is already out of 
his mind?

Most people would be far more afraid of the crazy guy, than the rational 
one. You canīt reason with a crazy guy, you donīt know what he will do next. 
He is unpredictable.

Iran has been threatened with annihilation for over a year now, while at the 
same time terrorist groups sponsored by Britain, American and Israeli 
intelligence have been attacking inside the country. And the Bush 
administration has given the impression for quite a while that they are 
unpredictably crazy.

This could indeed make many Iranians nervous, especially those who oppose 
the current government. Already color- code revolutionaries financed by 
American elitist organizations have been send in to overthrow the 
government.

The subsequent civil-war, and there would be a civil-war for certain, would 
ensure that Iran would look like Iraq in no time at all. And if the Iranians 
would not oblige with a fierce enough civil war which would involve all 
non-Persian minorities, western intelligence would for sure be very helpful 
in financing every small separatist group they can find and sending a few 
well-trained mercenaries on top of them.

And then just like Iraq, Iran would be broken up in conveniently small 
pieces, conveniently small, so Israel would no longer feel threatened and 
could once again play the role of the biggest bully on the block.

This, at least, is the game plan.
This is the psychological war aimed at Iran which President Ahmadinejad is 
talking about.

Itīs a game of nerves and at stake might be the lives of millions of people.

So far it looks as if the Iranian government and the Iranian people have far 
better nerves than most of us Westerners.

This game however is extremely risky even for Neocon standards, so dangerous 
for their own objectives, the security of Israel, that I still wonder, if 
they are not indeed insane.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3296




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 September 2, 2007

It has been suggested by some haughty, arrogant westerners that Russia 
should adhere to or adopt "western values." What exactly are western values? 
Let's take a good look. Since 1961, over eight million people from the Third 
World have died directly at the hands of the US military or indirectly via 
US-backed and funded regimes.

Source: Casualties in the Third World: Loss of life caused by American 
invasions or by US-backed and funded regimes since 1960.

Earlier in imperialist colonialist history, around 10 million Congolese died 
as a result of Belgian forced labor and mass murder in the early 20th 
century. Tens of millions perished in famines that were avoidable or 
enforced in British-ruled India. Up to a million Algerians died in their war 
for independence. Many more examples of brutal, murderous colonialism can be 
cited.

The US has come to see itself as the savior of the world and the supreme 
arbitrator of each and every nation's future. Nations not prepared to bend 
to US will are classified as "rogue states" and threatened with brutal, 
inhuman sanctions and ultimately deadly brute force is utilized. We have 
barely entered the 21st century and now find the planet returning to a 
century earlier with the exercise of naked imperialism, all in the name of 
some supposed western moral values.

The Iraqi resistance has demonstrated that people of different races and 
cultures do not want to be ruled or dictated to by a foreign power from the 
other side of the world. Meanwhile, the revelations of widespread criminal 
behavior by American and British troops are a sad illustration of the fact 
that purported western moral values are a total farce and a charade, and 
that western moralizing is nothing short of utter hypocrisy and duplicity.

As the Berlin Wall came down in the late 1980s, some people in Eastern 
Europe thought of it as an event to celebrate. The United States invaded and 
bombed Panama only weeks after the Berlin Wall fell. Concurrently the US was 
also intervening in the elections in Nicaragua to defeat the Sandinistas. 
When Albania and Bulgaria elected governments not acceptable to Washington, 
Washington just stepped in and overthrew those governments. Soon came the 
bombing of the people of Iraq for 40 horrible and merciless days for no good 
or honest reason. The US was soon off again attacking Somalia for more 
bombing, mayhem and killing. After that came the dismantling of Yugoslavia.

The empire bombed the people of Yugoslavia for 78 days and nights. Again, 
for no good or honest reason. Then we have Afghanistan. In all likelihood, 
they have now killed more innocent civilians in that unfortunate country 
than were killed on Sept. 11, with more to come as people continue to die 
>from bombing wounds, cluster-bomb landmines, and depleted-uranium toxicity 
which will continue to devastate the environment and future generations yet 
unborn. After all these years, they still insist on keeping a stranglehold 
on Cuba. This is only a partial list!

President Bush has taken the United States back to the archaic dark days of 
the turn of the last century and will probably go on record as one of the 
worst US presidents in history. Bush administration officials possess no 
understanding of history or the regions and peoples they seek to dominate 
and plunder. Despite record low approval ratings, President Bush has 
inoculated Americans against any thought that their country is engaging in 
imperialism. But those outside of his reign of disinformation see his 
actions for exactly what they are: imperialism. The United States and 
Britain have always professed the highest motives in seeking to dominate 
other peoples. However, imperialism has never given birth to democracy, but 
only to endless wars conducted with a savagery that reveals the utter 
falsity of US commitment to western civilization or democracy. The imperial 
mindset sees the people it seeks to civilize or democratize as inferior and 
this ultimately leads to countless and incessant outrages against these 
hapless peoples.

Exceedingly pompous Tony Blair was quoted as saying, "And this is not just 
about security or military tactics -- it is about hearts and minds. It's 
about inspiring people, persuading them, showing them what our values at 
their best stand for. And just to state it in these terms underlines how 
much we have to do."

After 1945, the west decided to adopt fascist methods. Nuremberg only 
punished a handful of the guilty, most Nazi war criminals ended up free with 
US help. In 1946, more than 1,000 Nazi scientists were secretly brought to 
the US. Nazi war criminals became the architects of US policies at home and 
abroad. Mores and values have deteriorated rapidly in the West in the last 
several decades as revolutions in technology and society progressed. In 
Western societies, only the corporate elitist accepted point of view has 
access to broadcast media, the publishing industry or university faculties. 
Western values are peddled as superior to all others. Why?

Here we have a few more recent examples of western values:

An American Marine excitedly exclaimed, "It's a sniper's dream, you can go 
anywhere and there so many ways to fire at the enemy without him knowing 
where you are."

"Sometimes a guy will go down, and I'll let him scream a bit to destroy the 
morale of his buddies. Then I'll use a second shot."

"To take a bad guy out," he explains, "is an incomparable 'adrenaline 
rush.'" He brags of having "24 confirmed kills."

There's the case of Army Private Matt Guckenheimer, just returned after a 
tour of service in Afghanistan who revealed what was supposed to be a secret 
order from his superiors. "We were told there were no friendly forces," 
Guckenheimer said. "If there was anybody there, they were the enemy. We were 
told specifically that if there were women and children to kill them." 
American soldiers were specifically told to kill women and children on the 
specific orders of their superiors.

A home movie taken in secret from a rooftop in Basra in southern Iraq shows 
British soldiers pulling four Iraqi boys in their early teens into their 
army base after a riot and beating them with batons, then punching and 
kicking them repeatedly on the body and head and between the legs. Within 
the space of one minute, some 42 blows are rained on the four teens who did 
not even have on shoes. One soldier is seen kicking a dead Iraqi in the 
face. The unidentified cameraman can be heard laughing and urging his 
colleagues on with vulgarities. The Brits on the home movie are just as 
gung-ho and turned-on torturers of detainees as the soldiers at Abu Ghraib 
were. Of course the warped, deviant, perverted abuses of Abu Ghraib and 
Guantanamo are already legendary.

"They're fighting for our freedom." No crime is too unthinkable or great, it 
would appear, to ensure American "freedoms" and western values. The 
imperialists are dedicated to securing control and domination of the world's 
resources and markets. All freedom loving people in the world need to 
struggle to defeat imperialism and give their support to all those nations 
and peoples who are resisting the empire and standing up to and defeating 
the most brutal military power in the world. Freedom loving people need to 
be educated and enlightened about who their enemies are: those who are 
sending workers to kill or be killed for this ever insatiable empire, an 
empire in which they have absolutely no stake, an empire which abuses and 
represses them and keeps them under thumb in a vacuum of deception, an 
empire which fails to provide for their basic needs and rights as human 
beings solely for the benefit and enrichment of corporate elitists.

With a policy of adherence to international law, friendly and honest 
dialogue and discussion, Russia can safely reject western values in favor of 
those the Russian people and nation already possess and will develop as they 
see fit for the future of Russia and all freedom loving people everywhere. 
Russia can well do without the inhuman lawless brutality inherent in western 
values. Drawing upon the legacy of courage, heroism, patriotism and 
sacrifice during the Great Patriotic War and the technological wonders and 
superiority of the Russian space program, everything is possible to ensure a 
bright future for Russia.

Lisa KARPOVA




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Pastor had sex with daughters
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A fundamentalist church pastor had sex with two of his teenage daughters to 
educate them on how to be good wives, a South Australian court has heard.

The 54-year-old man, who cannot be named, was today sentenced in the SA 
District Court to eight and a half years jail after pleading guilty to seven 
counts each of incest and unlawful sexual intercourse.

The court heard that the man had sex with his daughters for nearly a decade 
>from 1991 when they were aged 13 and 15 at the family property.

The sex took place at various locations including in a shearer's shed, a 
paddock, on the back of a ute and, on one occasion, at the girls' 
grandparents house.

The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but 
about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they 
eventually married, as dictated in scripture.

In sentencing, Judge David Lovell said the misrepresentation of scripture 
used to justify the abuse of the girls "defied belief", and that he had 
"hypocritically betrayed" his religion and principles.

"You said the acts were about learning about sex rather than engaging in the 
acts of sex," Judge Lovell said.

"I do not accept that.

"You treated your daughters as your property ... using them to satisfy and 
gratify your sexual urges."

Judge Lovell gave full credit for the man's guilty pleas, saying he was 
genuinely remorseful and had a good chance of rehabilitation as his wife and 
the church remained supportive.

The man will be eligible for parole in four years.




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Pastor had sex with daughters
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A fundamentalist church pastor had sex with two of his teenage daughters to 
educate them on how to be good wives, a South Australian court has heard.

The 54-year-old man, who cannot be named, was today sentenced in the SA 
District Court to eight and a half years jail after pleading guilty to seven 
counts each of incest and unlawful sexual intercourse.

The court heard that the man had sex with his daughters for nearly a decade 
>from 1991 when they were aged 13 and 15 at the family property.

The sex took place at various locations including in a shearer's shed, a 
paddock, on the back of a ute and, on one occasion, at the girls' 
grandparents house.

The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but 
about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they 
eventually married, as dictated in scripture.

In sentencing, Judge David Lovell said the misrepresentation of scripture 
used to justify the abuse of the girls "defied belief", and that he had 
"hypocritically betrayed" his religion and principles.

"You said the acts were about learning about sex rather than engaging in the 
acts of sex," Judge Lovell said.

"I do not accept that.

"You treated your daughters as your property ... using them to satisfy and 
gratify your sexual urges."

Judge Lovell gave full credit for the man's guilty pleas, saying he was 
genuinely remorseful and had a good chance of rehabilitation as his wife and 
the church remained supportive.

The man will be eligible for parole in four years.




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Austrian Minister of Foreign Affairs rejects George Moses Bush's 
provocationalinstalation of nissile systems in Europe.
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ISRAELI CONTROL OF THE MASS MEDIA
& THE 9-11 COVER-UP
Arnon Milchan - Mossad's Man in the Middle

By Christopher Bollyn
September 1, 2007


The government and controlled media have lied to the public about 9-11 for 6 
years.
Those who have discerned and exposed the lies about the "false flag" terror 
attacks
and the fraudulent "War on Terror" have been treated like madmen and 
criminals.
It's time for this criminal nightmare to end.

Who controls the "hidden hand" in the U.S. mass media that censors and 
suppresses the crucial 9-11 evidence? What is the nexus connecting the 
architects of 9-11 with the mass media moguls who are covering up the truth?

The on-going cover-up of the evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 and 
explosions in the World Trade Center by the U.S. mass media is indicative of 
a high-level connection between the architects of the "false flag" terror 
attacks and the media moguls who control the major news networks in the 
United States.

As a longtime observer of Israel and the Middle East, I have watched how the 
U.S. mass media has increasingly become an instrument of Israeli propaganda. 
As Zionists have extended their grip on American media networks the major 
television, radio, film and print media outlets have effectively become 
propaganda tools of a foreign state - Israel - and are used to manipulate 
U.S. public opinion to support the Zionist agenda. The painfully obvious 
anti-Arab and anti-Islamic bias of Hollywood films and news-related programs 
has become ever more extreme as pro-Israel Zionists have achieved near total 
control of the U.S. mass media.

It needs to be understood that the Zionist conquest of the U.S. mass media 
did not simply happen by chance or as a result of natural market forces. It 
is the planned result of a long-term covert strategy put into effect decades 
ago by the government of Israel to control the news and entertainment 
networks that inform how Americans view Zionism, Israel, and the Middle 
East.

The Israelis realized that if they could control what Americans read, see, 
and hear about Zionism, Israel, and the Middle East then they would be able 
to control how they think. Controlling U.S. public opinion is crucial to 
realizing the Zionist agenda.

Zionist control of the the major media networks has resulted in Americans 
getting an extremely distorted and biased view of the world, particularly of 
the Middle East and of such significant events as 9-11 and the "War on 
Terror."

Understanding the strategy and the people behind Israel's conquest of the 
American mass media is an essential step to recovering our national 
sovereignty.

As an independent journalist and 9-11 researcher, I have seen how 
Zionist-controlled media outlets are actively engaged in covering up the 
evidence of Israeli involvement in the "false flag" attacks of 9-11 and the 
Zionist-planned "War on Terror." I have personally been subjected to 6 years 
of slander and defamation from a host of Zionist-controlled news outlets, 
including CNN and FOX News, simply because I have investigated and written 
about the evidence of Israeli involvement.

Today, the United States of America is by all appearances an 
Israeli-occupied state. The U.S. Congress dutifully authorizes the annual 
payment of an immense tribute to Israel, some three thousand million dollars 
a year.

Like a subservient colony, the United States provides hundreds of thousands 
of its young men and women to fight and die as mercenaries in 
Zionist-planned wars in the Middle East. The tens of thousands of American 
and European Christian soldiers and mercenaries fighting in Iraq and 
Afghanistan are very similar to the former Mamluks of Baghdad - captured 
"male white slaves" serving their Zionist rulers.

This dismal situation is, of course, not new. It has only become more 
obvious and extreme. The United States has provided more than $108 billion 
in direct aid to the state of Israel since 1949 (Washington Report, July 
2006) and the U.S. State Dept. recently promised the Israeli military 
another $30 billion over the next ten years - a 25 percent increase from the 
present level.

Hundreds, if not thousands, of U.S. soldiers have died as a result of 
serving on or near the front lines in Israel's wars. The 241 American 
marines killed in the Beirut bombing of 1983 and the 34 servicemen killed 
during the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty are the first that come to 
mind.

Nearly 4,000 American men and women have died during the current phase, the 
occupation stage, of the 16-year war against Iraq. The U.S.-led invasion and 
occupation of Iraq, an illegal war of aggression, is clearly a 
Zionist-planned war in which Americans and other mercenaries actually do the 
fighting -- and dying.

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

The obvious question is where is the outrage? Where is the spiritual, 
intellectual, and political resistance to this blatant exploitation of 
Americans and their national resources by a tiny foreign state with a 
militant and racist ideology? Why do patriotic Americans tolerate this abuse 
of the "land of the free and the home of the brave?"

While the power of the Israeli lobby (and an occasional murder) may explain 
the lack of any significant political resistance in the U.S. Congress to 
Zionist demands, it can not explain how the American population has come to 
accept this extremely bizarre and abusive relationship with a foreign state.

How has Zionist control of the United States been foisted onto the American 
people?




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ZIONIST DECEPTIONS

Many Americans willingly accept the extremely one-sided and abusive 
relationship with Israel because they have internalized three fundamental 
Zionist deceptions, which have been forced into their brains by the 
controlled mass media.

The first is the religious hoax that equates the modern state of Israel with 
the Israel of the Bible. This religious fraud elevates modern-day Israelis, 
regardless of their actual ethnicity, to being the rightful heirs of the 
Promised Land. Although this hoax is quickly revealed to anyone who actually 
reads Zionist history, it has been successfully foisted onto millions of 
extremely naive and gullible Christians. These misled and abused people are 
often referred to as Christian Zionists.

The second fundamental Zionist deception is that Israel is a "sister 
democracy" of the United States and that Israelis and Americans share the 
same "democratic" values. This lie is also quickly exposed by reading 
Israeli history or visiting Israeli-occupied Palestine. The only Americans 
who could possibly share Israeli values are those who believe in Jewish 
racism and supremacism -- the central pillar of the Zionist worldview that 
is completely un-American.

The third Zionist deception is that 19 Arab Muslims under the leadership of 
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Osama bin Laden were behind the 9-11 attacks at 
the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. This deception has been used to 
usher in the Zionist-planned "War on Terror," which has brought U.S. and 
European troops into an extensive long-term Middle Eastern war.

Why hasn't the media interviewed the families of the 19 suspected hijackers? 
Why does the media not demand an open trial for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the 
alleged "mastermind" of 9-11, currently held by the U.S. in Guantanamo? Why 
is the media treatment of these people only as deep as their photos?

While the first two deceptions are primarily philosophical in nature and 
rather pointless to argue, the 9-11 deception is painfully real and 
something we allow to continue at our own peril.

"AUSCHWITZ OF THE MIND"

These Zionist deceptions, which are all demonstrably false, have been 
carefully planted and cultivated in the minds of millions of people through 
the devices of the Zionist-controlled media.

Zionist domination of the mass media and academia in the United States is so 
pervasive that Americans are subjected, like Truman Burbank in the film The 
Truman Show, to a constant barrage of multi-level deception, as if the 
entire population were living in a false construction -- an "Auschwitz of 
the mind."

Like the false world of Truman Burbank, the Zionist-created worldview is so 
overwhelming that it prevents many people from ever realizing that they are 
being held mentally captive. Even when we peel away the layers of deception 
and expose the fraud, somehow the show goes on. For the criminals in high 
places, the show must go on.

The first deception, the religious hoax of the Zionist state's connection to 
the biblical Israel, is doctrine to television evangelists like Pat 
Robertson and his Christian Coalition, while the second and third have 
become "conventional wisdom" for the U.S. news and entertainment media.

Because millions of Americans have accepted and internalized these 
Zionist-created falsehoods they are unable to understand the actual 
realities of the Middle East or the massive fraud of the "War on Terror." 
The controlled media is careful to censor any information that might disturb 
the perverse worldview of America's 40 million Christian Zionists who are 
kept in the darkness like children locked in a closet.




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ZIONISM - "THE REAL ENEMY OF THE JEWS"

When, for example, the highly-regarded Israeli historian Avi Shlaim wrote 
his 2005 editorial entitled "Is Zionism today the real enemy of the Jews?" 
his comments were published in the International Herald Tribune (IHT), which 
is read in 180 nations, but kept out of the pages of The New York Times, the 
domestic newspaper of its parent company.

Now, why would the New York Times, whose motto is "All The News That's Fit 
to Print," censor the viewpoint of a reknowned Israeli historian writing on 
the causes of modern anti-Semitism?

What did Shlaim say that the editors at the Times thought was unfit for 
Americans to read?

"Israel's image today is negative not because it is a Jewish state but 
because it habitually transgresses the norms of acceptable international 
behavior. Indeed, Israel is increasingly perceived as a rogue state, as an 
international pariah, and as a threat to world peace," Shlaim, an Iraqi Jew 
who was born in Baghdad, wrote.

"This perception of Israel is a major factor in the recent resurgence of 
anti-Semitism in Europe and in the rest of the world. In this sense, Zionism 
today is the real enemy of the Jews."

When one understands that the primary function of the Zionist-controlled 
media is to keep Americans in the dark about the Middle East and Zionism, it 
becomes clear why Shlaim's article was published in the international 
publication owned by the New York Times but kept from their U.S. readership. 
Shlaim's comments would have greatly disturbed the carefully cultivated 
Zionist worldview of millions of Americans - both Jews and Gentiles - an 
audience that is both protected and held captive.

THE MEDIA COVER-UP OF 9-11

As an independent journalist I have seen how many important stories have 
been covered-up or ignored by the controlled media. I have written about 
many of these suppressed stories, such as the sinking of Estonia, the 
downing of Flight TWA 800, and the dangers of depleted uranium. At the top 
of my list, however, is the most egregious and criminal cover-up of the 
evidence of 9-11.

"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the 
world is deception and disinformation," German intelligence expert Andreas 
von Bulow told me in December 2001. This deception is widely propagated in 
the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists 
don't even raise the simplest questions," he said. "Those who differ are 
labeled as crazy."

After the London press conference during Jimmy Walter's 2005 European 9-11 
Truth tour, two reporters from the BBC were eager to interview me.

"Why are you the only journalist who does not believe the official 
explanation of what happened on 9-11?" was their first question.

Photo link: http://www.bollyn.com/public/BBC_interviewing_Bollyn.jpg




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Afghan Police Suffer Setbacks as Taliban Adapt
By DAVID ROHDE
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, Aug. 26 - Over the past six weeks, the Taliban have 
driven government forces out of roughly half of a strategic area in southern 
Afghanistan that American and NATO officials declared a success story last 
fall in their campaign to clear out insurgents and make way for development 
programs, Afghan officials say.

A year after Canadian and American forces drove hundreds of Taliban fighters 
>from the area, the Panjwai and Zhare districts southwest of Kandahar, the 
rebels are back and have adopted new tactics. Carrying out guerrilla attacks 
after NATO troops partly withdrew in July, they overran isolated police 
posts and are now operating in areas where they can mount attacks on 
Kandahar, the south's largest city.

The setback is part of a bloody stalemate that has occurred between NATO 
troops and Taliban fighters across southern Afghanistan this summer. NATO 
and Afghan Army soldiers can push the Taliban out of rural areas, but the 
Afghan police are too weak to hold the territory after they withdraw. At the 
same time, the Taliban are unable to take large towns and have generally 
mounted fewer suicide bomb attacks in southern cities than they did last 
summer.

The Panjwai and Zhare districts, in particular, highlight the changing 
nature of the fight in the south. The military operation there in September 
2006 was the largest conventional battle in the country since 2002. But this 
year, the Taliban are avoiding set battles with NATO and instead are 
attacking the police and stepping up their use of roadside bombs, known as 
improvised explosive devices or I.E.D.'s.

"It's very seldom that we have direct engagement with the Taliban," said 
Brig. Gen. Guy Laroche, the commander of Canadian forces leading the NATO 
effort in Kandahar. "What they're going to use is I.E.D.'s."

The Taliban also wage intimidation campaigns against the population. Local 
officials report that one of the things that the insurgents do when they 
enter an area is to hang several local farmers, declaring them spies.

"The first thing they do is show people how brutal they are," said Hajji 
Agha Lalai, the leader of the Panjwai district council. "They were hanged 
>from the trees. For several days, they hung there."

NATO and American military officials have declined to release exact Taliban 
attack statistics, and collecting accurate information is difficult, 
particularly in rural Afghanistan. According to an internal United Nations 
tally, insurgents set off 516 improvised explosive devices in 2007. Another 
402 improvised explosive devices were discovered before detonation.

Reported security incidents, a broad category that includes bombings, 
firefights and intimidation, are up from roughly 500 a month last year to 
600 a month this year, a 20 percent increase, according to the United 
Nations.

The rising attacks are taking a heavy toll. At least 2,500 to 3,000 people 
have died in insurgency-related violence so far this year, a quarter of them 
civilians, according to the United Nations tally, a 20 percent increase over 
2006.

NATO and American fatality rates are up by about 20 percent this year, to 
161, according to Iraq Casualty Count, a Web site that tracks deaths in Iraq 
and Afghanistan. The Afghan police continue to be devastated by Taliban 
bombings and guerrilla strikes, with 379 killed so far this year, compared 
with 257 for all of last year.

Yet the Taliban have been unable to take large towns this year and have 
carried out 102 suicide bombings, roughly the same number as last year, 
according to the United Nations. A conventional Taliban spring offensive was 
predicted by many but never materialized, and Western officials say that 
raids by NATO and American Special Operations forces have killed dozens of 
senior and midlevel Taliban commanders this year.

Maj. Gen. Bernard S. Champoux, deputy commander for security for the 
NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, said the Taliban's 
leadership was in "disarray" and had not been able to carry out the attacks 
it had hoped this year and would be even weaker next year.

"This has been a shaping year," he said. "I think next year will be a 
decisive year."

Afghan Army units have performed well, according to Western officials. The 
trouble has come when the army and foreign troops withdraw, leaving lightly 
armed Afghan police forces struggling to hold rural areas. Corruption is 
rampant among the police, and some units have exaggerated casualty rates or 
abandoned checkpoints.

Recent visits to three southern provinces revealed territorial divisions 
that largely resembled those of last year. In Kandahar and Helmand, the 
government has a strong presence in about half of each province, the local 
police said. And in Oruzgan Province, where Dutch NATO forces focus more on 
development programs than on combat, the government controls the provincial 
capital, several district centers and little of the countryside.

The seesaw nature of the conflict is evident here in Kandahar, where the 
local governor cites a slight drop in suicide bombings in the provincial 
capital as a sign of progress. But police officials and villagers bitterly 
complain that Canadian forces abandoned Panjwai and Zhare.

Syed Aqa Saqib, Kandahar's provincial police chief, said Canadian and Afghan 
Army forces began withdrawing from four checkpoints and two small bases in 
Panjwai in early July. The withdrawals coincided with the rotation of 
Canadian military units serving in Kandahar in August, he said.

The pullback left two Afghan police posts in Panjwai largely unprotected, he 
said. On Aug. 7, the Taliban attacked the posts simultaneously. For several 
hours, the police held them off and called for help from Canadian forces, he 
said, but none arrived. Sixteen policemen were killed.

"The Canadians didn't support them," Mr. Saqib said. "Then, we went to 
collect our dead."

General Laroche, the Canadian commander, said an Afghan Army unit was 
immediately sent to aid the police but it returned and asked for Canadian 
assistance, citing fears of roadside bombs. Canadian troops then arrived as 
quickly as they could.

Canadian forces are now establishing joint checkpoints in Panjwai and Zhare 
where Canadian troops, Afghan Army soldiers and police officers will all be 
present, he said. And Canadian forces recently retook a checkpoint in Zhare.

General Laroche and General Champoux said it was vital to train Afghan 
police forces who could secure areas after NATO and Afghan soldiers cleared 
them, and to find strong, honest local leaders to administer them.

"The most important part is holding it," General Champoux said. "We're most 
effective when we're holding it with Afghans."

The Panjwai police chief, Bismillah Jan, said Taliban attacks on the local 
police began intensifying four months ago. Deploying far more roadside bombs 
than last year, the Taliban have destroyed 11 police vehicles and killed 
several dozen policemen.

Today, Mr. Jan has 64 policemen - each with one month of training - and five 
functional vehicles to defend the district from several hundred Taliban 
fighters. He said that his men could make forays into Taliban areas but that 
they could not hold terrain.

"We can go there, but we cannot control it," he said.

In separate interviews, half a dozen tribal elders from Panjwai described 
the Taliban attacks on police posts and other new tactics. All spoke on 
condition of anonymity because they feared retaliation from the insurgents.

After moving though the area in large groups last summer, the Taliban now 
operate in bands of no more than 20. Instead of sleeping in freshly dug 
bunkers and trenches, they sleep in mosques and houses, apparently to avoid 
NATO airstrikes, or, in the event of an attack, to increase the likelihood 
of civilian casualties, villagers said.

"Last year, they had their own trenches and their own places," one elder 
said. "Now, they are very close to the houses and families. Their tactics 
changed."

Another elder said: "They are very rude. First, they ask you for food. Then, 
they search you 20 times."

Officials in Helmand and Oruzgan Provinces described dynamics similar to 
those in Kandahar. Security improved somewhat in provincial capitals this 
summer, they said, but rural areas remain no man's lands dominated by 
criminal gangs and the Taliban.

In Helmand, where 7,000 British troops are based, residents credited the new 
police chief, Muhammad Hussain Andiwall, with improving security somewhat in 
the provincial capital. But opium cultivation and lawlessness are 
flourishing in the countryside.

Last month, the mayor of Gereshk, Helmand's second-largest town, was 
kidnapped as he drove through a stretch of desert separating the town from 
the provincial capital. When Mr. Andiwall drove to the scene to try to find 
him, a roadside bomb exploded as his vehicle passed, killing four civilians.

After the mayor's family paid a ransom to local criminals they freed him.

In Oruzgan, Dost Muhammad Dostiyar, the counternarcotics chief, said people 
were waiting to see if the government and Dutch forces could reassert 
themselves.

"One of the big reasons the people have distanced themselves from the 
government is that the government only has control of the capital," he said. 
"The rural areas are totally under the control of the militants."

Afghan officials in all three southern provinces said the Taliban had 
evolved as a movement as well. Taking advantage of popular frustration with 
government corruption, the Taliban have broadened from a close-knit, 
ideologically driven movement to an amalgam of loosely affiliated groups 
fighting the government.

Across the south, the term "Taliban" now encompasses a shifting array of 
tribes, groups, criminals, opportunists and people discontented with the 
government. In private, some Western officials say a political approach to 
more moderate insurgents is needed. Elders from Panjwai blamed the United 
States and President Hamid Karzai for not including more southern tribes in 
the government formed after the fall of the Taliban.

"When the Americans came, they didn't contact the right people," one elder 
said. "They empowered two or three tribes and they pushed away others."

Christopher Alexander, the deputy special representative for the United 
Nations in Afghanistan, said there was disorientation among insurgent 
groups. The Taliban have lost much of their senior leadership, he said, and 
other insurgent groups are not gaining popular support. At the same time, 
Pakistan is showing signs of cracking down on Taliban leaders there. All of 
these factors, present an opportunity for the Afghan government and NATO 
forces, he said.

"The Taliban are vulnerable in many ways," he said. "Enormous achievements 
haven't yet been made, but there has been progress."




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"marty"  wrote in message 
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> sounds great to me , When ? Too bad we are all words and no actions with
I wonder how would it sound to you, when Iranians blow up the Green Zone 
with thousands of Americans in it! And do not say that Iranians cannot do 
it, because they can.

> Iran
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:SOHCi.8357$Y7.1840@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> What will happen, if Iran is attacked?
>>
>> Iranians will defend themselves, no doubt. American weapons and 
>> especially American nukes can no doubt, destroy most Iranian cities and 
>> industrial installations and even big parts of the military hardware, and 
>> bomb the country into the stone-age eventually.
>> It will, however, be impossible even for the far superior American 
>> fire-power to destroy all of Iranīs missiles at first strike.
>>
>> Some missiles will get through and they will hit Israel and hit it 
>> severely.
>>
>> An attack on Iran might kill millions of Iranians, but it also will kill 
>> tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Israelis.
>>
>> Cheney, the Neocons and the Israeli government might be willing to 
>> sacrifice so many Israelis. The Jewish Israelis, however, would not want 
>> to sacrifice themselves.
>>
>> Israeli Jews are not used to living in squalor and need either. They are 
>> not used to living like citizens of a developing country.
>> During a total war a lot of infrastructure would be destroyed, and the 
>> economy would no longer be able to provide Israeli Jews with the 
>> living-standard of an industrial country, the standard they are used to. 
>> They would leave Israel en masse.
>> A majority of Israelis have either been born in another country or have 
>> lived there for years. These people have viable options.
>>
>> And since a war against Iran would last probably for many years, and if 
>> it spreads through the entire Islamic world, it would last for decades, 
>> those refugees would not return for all this time.
>>
>> By the time the war is over the Zionist state would indeed have collapsed 
>> for lack of Jewish citizens who are willing to keep it running, just as 
>> the Iranian President has predicted.
>>
>> While neither the Iranian leadership, nor the leadership of another 
>> Islamic country are insane enough to attack a nuclear armed Israel, 
>> allied with a nuclear super-power, the repercussion of an all out war 
>> against a big well-armed non-nuclear Islamic country would destroy 
>> Israel.
>>
>> For people who care so much for Israel as the Neocons such a 
>> counter-productive move would indeed be insane.
>>
>> But are they really insane or is this just another Macchiavellian ploy, 
>> an "insane game"?
>>
>> Everybody knows that torture is a very unreliable way to extract 
>> information, far more efficient is the fear of being tortured.
>>
>> If you would be the victim of a robbery, who would you be more afraid of, 
>> a cold-blooded gangster or a drug-addict who looks like he is already out 
>> of his mind?
>>
>> Most people would be far more afraid of the crazy guy, than the rational 
>> one. You canīt reason with a crazy guy, you donīt know what he will do 
>> next. He is unpredictable.
>>
>> Iran has been threatened with annihilation for over a year now, while at 
>> the same time terrorist groups sponsored by Britain, American and Israeli 
>> intelligence have been attacking inside the country. And the Bush 
>> administration has given the impression for quite a while that they are 
>> unpredictably crazy.
>>
>> This could indeed make many Iranians nervous, especially those who oppose 
>> the current government. Already color- code revolutionaries financed by 
>> American elitist organizations have been send in to overthrow the 
>> government.
>>
>> The subsequent civil-war, and there would be a civil-war for certain, 
>> would ensure that Iran would look like Iraq in no time at all. And if the 
>> Iranians would not oblige with a fierce enough civil war which would 
>> involve all non-Persian minorities, western intelligence would for sure 
>> be very helpful in financing every small separatist group they can find 
>> and sending a few well-trained mercenaries on top of them.
>>
>> And then just like Iraq, Iran would be broken up in conveniently small 
>> pieces, conveniently small, so Israel would no longer feel threatened and 
>> could once again play the role of the biggest bully on the block.
>>
>> This, at least, is the game plan.
>> This is the psychological war aimed at Iran which President Ahmadinejad 
>> is talking about.
>>
>> Itīs a game of nerves and at stake might be the lives of millions of 
>> people.
>>
>> So far it looks as if the Iranian government and the Iranian people have 
>> far better nerves than most of us Westerners.
>>
>> This game however is extremely risky even for Neocon standards, so 
>> dangerous for their own objectives, the security of Israel, that I still 
>> wonder, if they are not indeed insane.
>>
>> http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3296
>>
>>
>
> 




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"Reargunner"  wrote in message 
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> In many Muslim countries we see the dynasty continue not that Egypt has
> much oil!

You know nothing about muslim countries you stupid uneducated idiot! Saudia 
is a corporation not a muslim country
>
>> > In article <1188743042.959728.39510@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>> > groups33@gmail.com says...
>> >> go here for interesting article
>> >>
>> >> http://mwma.org/news/content/view/187/2/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Mubarak's son will probably take over.
>> Dynasty is finished no more gas and oil for the fucking Jews
>>
>>
>>
> 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 2, 5:28 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in 
>> messagenews:1188766843.061456.34450@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 2, 1:16 pm, Mirelle  wrote:
>> >> Benjamin Cramer wrote:
>> >> > All power to Finkelstein.
>>
>> >> Brave, sincere, and honest man.
>>
>> >> > Here's another account of yid nastiness and academic thuggery.
>> >> >http://www.joelhayward.com/
>>
>> >> HORRYFYING!
>> >> He broke the 11th commandment:
>> >> Thou Shalt Not Question the Holocaust Industry's Version of WWII.
>>
>> > What's to question?  Established history is established history, and
>> > no amount of questioning it will ever change that.
>>
>> Holofucks is bullshit the whole world knows that.
>
> Well, whatever the hell 'Holofucks" is, I'm sure it IS bullshit.
>
> The Holocaust, though, is VERY real.
 Tell me about it! And tell me how Hitler killed six million kikes out of 3 
million that were available to him! Also tell me where did 3,25 million of 
the bastards come from to claim reparations in 1946 




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Afghan Police Suffer Setbacks as Taliban Adapt
By DAVID ROHDE
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, Aug. 26 - Over the past six weeks, the Taliban have 
driven government forces out of roughly half of a strategic area in southern 
Afghanistan that American and NATO officials declared a success story last 
fall in their campaign to clear out insurgents and make way for development 
programs, Afghan officials say.

A year after Canadian and American forces drove hundreds of Taliban fighters 
>from the area, the Panjwai and Zhare districts southwest of Kandahar, the 
rebels are back and have adopted new tactics. Carrying out guerrilla attacks 
after NATO troops partly withdrew in July, they overran isolated police 
posts and are now operating in areas where they can mount attacks on 
Kandahar, the south's largest city.

The setback is part of a bloody stalemate that has occurred between NATO 
troops and Taliban fighters across southern Afghanistan this summer. NATO 
and Afghan Army soldiers can push the Taliban out of rural areas, but the 
Afghan police are too weak to hold the territory after they withdraw. At the 
same time, the Taliban are unable to take large towns and have generally 
mounted fewer suicide bomb attacks in southern cities than they did last 
summer.

The Panjwai and Zhare districts, in particular, highlight the changing 
nature of the fight in the south. The military operation there in September 
2006 was the largest conventional battle in the country since 2002. But this 
year, the Taliban are avoiding set battles with NATO and instead are 
attacking the police and stepping up their use of roadside bombs, known as 
improvised explosive devices or I.E.D.'s.

"It's very seldom that we have direct engagement with the Taliban," said 
Brig. Gen. Guy Laroche, the commander of Canadian forces leading the NATO 
effort in Kandahar. "What they're going to use is I.E.D.'s."

The Taliban also wage intimidation campaigns against the population. Local 
officials report that one of the things that the insurgents do when they 
enter an area is to hang several local farmers, declaring them spies.

"The first thing they do is show people how brutal they are," said Hajji 
Agha Lalai, the leader of the Panjwai district council. "They were hanged 
>from the trees. For several days, they hung there."

NATO and American military officials have declined to release exact Taliban 
attack statistics, and collecting accurate information is difficult, 
particularly in rural Afghanistan. According to an internal United Nations 
tally, insurgents set off 516 improvised explosive devices in 2007. Another 
402 improvised explosive devices were discovered before detonation.

Reported security incidents, a broad category that includes bombings, 
firefights and intimidation, are up from roughly 500 a month last year to 
600 a month this year, a 20 percent increase, according to the United 
Nations.

The rising attacks are taking a heavy toll. At least 2,500 to 3,000 people 
have died in insurgency-related violence so far this year, a quarter of them 
civilians, according to the United Nations tally, a 20 percent increase over 
2006.

NATO and American fatality rates are up by about 20 percent this year, to 
161, according to Iraq Casualty Count, a Web site that tracks deaths in Iraq 
and Afghanistan. The Afghan police continue to be devastated by Taliban 
bombings and guerrilla strikes, with 379 killed so far this year, compared 
with 257 for all of last year.

Yet the Taliban have been unable to take large towns this year and have 
carried out 102 suicide bombings, roughly the same number as last year, 
according to the United Nations. A conventional Taliban spring offensive was 
predicted by many but never materialized, and Western officials say that 
raids by NATO and American Special Operations forces have killed dozens of 
senior and midlevel Taliban commanders this year.

Maj. Gen. Bernard S. Champoux, deputy commander for security for the 
NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, said the Taliban's 
leadership was in "disarray" and had not been able to carry out the attacks 
it had hoped this year and would be even weaker next year.

"This has been a shaping year," he said. "I think next year will be a 
decisive year."

Afghan Army units have performed well, according to Western officials. The 
trouble has come when the army and foreign troops withdraw, leaving lightly 
armed Afghan police forces struggling to hold rural areas. Corruption is 
rampant among the police, and some units have exaggerated casualty rates or 
abandoned checkpoints.

Recent visits to three southern provinces revealed territorial divisions 
that largely resembled those of last year. In Kandahar and Helmand, the 
government has a strong presence in about half of each province, the local 
police said. And in Oruzgan Province, where Dutch NATO forces focus more on 
development programs than on combat, the government controls the provincial 
capital, several district centers and little of the countryside.

The seesaw nature of the conflict is evident here in Kandahar, where the 
local governor cites a slight drop in suicide bombings in the provincial 
capital as a sign of progress. But police officials and villagers bitterly 
complain that Canadian forces abandoned Panjwai and Zhare.

Syed Aqa Saqib, Kandahar's provincial police chief, said Canadian and Afghan 
Army forces began withdrawing from four checkpoints and two small bases in 
Panjwai in early July. The withdrawals coincided with the rotation of 
Canadian military units serving in Kandahar in August, he said.

The pullback left two Afghan police posts in Panjwai largely unprotected, he 
said. On Aug. 7, the Taliban attacked the posts simultaneously. For several 
hours, the police held them off and called for help from Canadian forces, he 
said, but none arrived. Sixteen policemen were killed.

"The Canadians didn't support them," Mr. Saqib said. "Then, we went to 
collect our dead."

General Laroche, the Canadian commander, said an Afghan Army unit was 
immediately sent to aid the police but it returned and asked for Canadian 
assistance, citing fears of roadside bombs. Canadian troops then arrived as 
quickly as they could.

Canadian forces are now establishing joint checkpoints in Panjwai and Zhare 
where Canadian troops, Afghan Army soldiers and police officers will all be 
present, he said. And Canadian forces recently retook a checkpoint in Zhare.

General Laroche and General Champoux said it was vital to train Afghan 
police forces who could secure areas after NATO and Afghan soldiers cleared 
them, and to find strong, honest local leaders to administer them.

"The most important part is holding it," General Champoux said. "We're most 
effective when we're holding it with Afghans."

The Panjwai police chief, Bismillah Jan, said Taliban attacks on the local 
police began intensifying four months ago. Deploying far more roadside bombs 
than last year, the Taliban have destroyed 11 police vehicles and killed 
several dozen policemen.

Today, Mr. Jan has 64 policemen - each with one month of training - and five 
functional vehicles to defend the district from several hundred Taliban 
fighters. He said that his men could make forays into Taliban areas but that 
they could not hold terrain.

"We can go there, but we cannot control it," he said.

In separate interviews, half a dozen tribal elders from Panjwai described 
the Taliban attacks on police posts and other new tactics. All spoke on 
condition of anonymity because they feared retaliation from the insurgents.

After moving though the area in large groups last summer, the Taliban now 
operate in bands of no more than 20. Instead of sleeping in freshly dug 
bunkers and trenches, they sleep in mosques and houses, apparently to avoid 
NATO airstrikes, or, in the event of an attack, to increase the likelihood 
of civilian casualties, villagers said.

"Last year, they had their own trenches and their own places," one elder 
said. "Now, they are very close to the houses and families. Their tactics 
changed."

Another elder said: "They are very rude. First, they ask you for food. Then, 
they search you 20 times."

Officials in Helmand and Oruzgan Provinces described dynamics similar to 
those in Kandahar. Security improved somewhat in provincial capitals this 
summer, they said, but rural areas remain no man's lands dominated by 
criminal gangs and the Taliban.

In Helmand, where 7,000 British troops are based, residents credited the new 
police chief, Muhammad Hussain Andiwall, with improving security somewhat in 
the provincial capital. But opium cultivation and lawlessness are 
flourishing in the countryside.

Last month, the mayor of Gereshk, Helmand's second-largest town, was 
kidnapped as he drove through a stretch of desert separating the town from 
the provincial capital. When Mr. Andiwall drove to the scene to try to find 
him, a roadside bomb exploded as his vehicle passed, killing four civilians.

After the mayor's family paid a ransom to local criminals they freed him.

In Oruzgan, Dost Muhammad Dostiyar, the counternarcotics chief, said people 
were waiting to see if the government and Dutch forces could reassert 
themselves.

"One of the big reasons the people have distanced themselves from the 
government is that the government only has control of the capital," he said. 
"The rural areas are totally under the control of the militants."

Afghan officials in all three southern provinces said the Taliban had 
evolved as a movement as well. Taking advantage of popular frustration with 
government corruption, the Taliban have broadened from a close-knit, 
ideologically driven movement to an amalgam of loosely affiliated groups 
fighting the government.

Across the south, the term "Taliban" now encompasses a shifting array of 
tribes, groups, criminals, opportunists and people discontented with the 
government. In private, some Western officials say a political approach to 
more moderate insurgents is needed. Elders from Panjwai blamed the United 
States and President Hamid Karzai for not including more southern tribes in 
the government formed after the fall of the Taliban.

"When the Americans came, they didn't contact the right people," one elder 
said. "They empowered two or three tribes and they pushed away others."

Christopher Alexander, the deputy special representative for the United 
Nations in Afghanistan, said there was disorientation among insurgent 
groups. The Taliban have lost much of their senior leadership, he said, and 
other insurgent groups are not gaining popular support. At the same time, 
Pakistan is showing signs of cracking down on Taliban leaders there. All of 
these factors, present an opportunity for the Afghan government and NATO 
forces, he said.

"The Taliban are vulnerable in many ways," he said. "Enormous achievements 
haven't yet been made, but there has been progress."




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 Children of war  By Gideon Levy
Again children. Five children killed in Gaza in eight days. The public 
indifference to their killing - the last three, for example, were accorded 
only a short item on the margins of page 11 in Yedioth Ahronoth, a sickening 
matter in itself - cannot blur the fact that the IDF is waging a war against 
children. A year ago, a fifth of those killed in the "Summer Rain" operation 
in Gaza were children; during the past two weeks, they comprised a quarter 
of the 21 killed. If, heaven forbid, children are hurt in Sderot, we will 
have to remember this before we begin raising hell.

The IDF explains that the Palestinians make a practice of sending children 
to collect the Qassam launchers. However, in this case, the children killed 
were not collecting launchers. The first two were killed while collecting 
carob fruit and the next three - according to the IDF's own investigation - 
were playing tag. But even if we accept the IDF's claim that there is a 
general trend of sending children to collect launchers (which has not been 
proven), that should have brought about an immediate halt to firing at 
launcher collectors.

But the IDF does not care whether its victims are liable to be children. The 
fact is that it shoots at figures it considers suspicious, with full 
knowledge - according to its own contention - that they are liable to be 
children. Therefore, an IDF that fires at launcher collectors is an army 
that kills children, without any intention of preventing this. This then is 
not a series of unfortunate mistakes, as it is being portrayed, but rather 
reflects the army's contempt for the lives of Palestinian children and its 
terrifying indifference to their fate.


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A society that holds ethical considerations in high regard would at least 
ask itself: Is it permissible to shoot at anyone who is approaching the 
launchers, even if we know that some of these people may be small children, 
lacking in judgment, and thus not punishable? Or are we lifting all 
restraints on our war operations? Even if we accept the IDF's claims that 
its sophisticated vision devices do not enable them to distinguish between a 
10-year-old boy and an adult, the IDF cannot evade its responsibility for 
this criminal action. Even if we assumed a completely distorted assumption 
that anyone who goes near the launchers is subject to death, the fact that 
children are involved should have changed the rules. Add to this the fact 
that the firing at launcher collectors has halted the Qassams, or even 
reduce their number, and you arrive at another chilling conclusion: The IDF 
shoots at children to wreak vengeance and punish.

No child in Sderot is more secure as a result of this killing. On the 
contrary.

Anyone who takes an honest look at the progression of events during the past 
two months will discover that the Qassams have a context: They are almost 
always fired after an IDF assassination operation, and there have been many 
of these. The question of who started it is not a childish question in this 
context. The IDF has returned to liquidations, and in a big way. And in 
their wake there has been an increase in Qassam firings.

That is the truth, and they are hiding it from us. When Gabi Ashkenazi and 
Ehud Barak assumed their positions, the reins were loosened. If Barak were a 
representative of the political right, perhaps a public outcry would have 
already been sounded against the IDF's wild actions in Gaza. But everything 
is permitted to Barak, and even the fact that the victims are children does 
not matter - not to him and not to the Israeli public.

Yes, the children of Gaza gather around the Qassams. It is practically the 
only diversion they have in their lives. It is their amusement park. Those 
who arrogantly preach to their parents "to watch over them" have never 
visited Beit Hanoun. There is nothing there, except for the filthy alleys 
and meager homes. Even if it is true that those launching the Qassams are 
taking advantage of these miserable children (which has yet to be proven), 
this should not shape our moral portrait. Yes, it is permissible to exercise 
restraint and caution. Yes, it is not always necessary to respond, 
especially when the response ends up killing children.

The way to stop the firing of Qassams is not through indiscriminate killing. 
Every launcher can be replaced. The start of the school year bodes ill, for 
us and for them. Anyone who truly seeks to stop the firing of Qassams should 
reach a cease-fire agreement with the current government in Gaza. That is 
the only way and it is possible. The liquidations, the shelling and the 
killing of children will work in exactly the opposite direction of what is 
intended. In the meantime, look what is happening to us and to our army. 


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Anyone who thinks that racist rules are a thing of the past is wrong, 
according to the mother of a four-and-a-half year old child who was rejected 
>from a Talmud Torah school because of his grandfather's ethnicity.

"They are alive and kicking in all their ugliness in Ashkenazi haredi 
educational institutions," the mother said.

The child was denied admission to a Talmlud Torah school in Beit Shemesh 
because of what its principal called a "stain" in his genealogy.

"Tell the child's dear father that although he himself is completely 
Ashkenazi, his wife's father is Sephardic, and we therefore cannot accept 
his son into our institution. We have to maintain a certain standard," the 
principal said.

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From: "ElParedon" 
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Melting pot or not

An Ethiopian, Arab, Russian, strictly Orthodox, Ashkenazi and Sephardi go 
out to find a job, rent an apartment and enroll a child in kindergarten. 
Discrimination? Racism? Absolutely

Yuval Kinar
Published: 08.31.07

An Ethiopian, Arab, Russian, strictly Orthodox, Ashkenazi and Sephardi man 
of the same age group and same educational background were sent by Yedioth 
Ahronoth to look for a job, find an apartment and enroll a child in 
kindergarten. Will their ethnicity or skin-color have
an effect in 2007 Israel? The answer, unfortunately, is yes.

The six were chosen to represent the different sectors of society. They 
approached more than 400 restaurants, cafes, apartments for rent, and 
kindergartens in 22 cities - from Kiryat Shmona to Eilat - in each 
conversation the applicant's background was mentioned either directly or in 
a roundabout way.

REST AT LINK...

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Bush furious as British troops pull out of Basra
This is London,



      September 2, 2007


      British troops pulled out of their besieged base in central Basra last 
night.

      The move to the city's airport is the clearest sign yet that Gordon 
Brown is paving the way for a complete withdrawal from Iraq.

      The last 550 troops in Basra Palace had been surrounded by Shia 
militants in a scene likened to "cowboys and Indians".

      Now all Britain's 5,500 troops in Iraq will be consolidated in the 
sprawling base at the airport, itself under daily mortar attack.

      Downing Street said the withdrawal from Basra Palace was part of the 
continuing process of handover to Iraqi forces.

      But the move produced an angry reaction in Washington. Bush 
administration officials were furious that the operation was launched at a 
time when the president is begging for more time for his 'surge' strategy to 
turn the tide of the war.

      Although the Prime Minister refuses to say when he will order UK 
troops home, observers believe the stage is set for a fullscale pull-out - 
and a serious rift in the special relationship with the U.S.

      Former Labour defence minister Peter Kilfoyle last night predicted a 
complete withdrawal of British troops by Christmas.

      He said: "Now the troops are out of the palace, that only leaves the 
airbase. The Americans are going to be very disconcerted by this move, which 
is long overdue."

      Labour MP Kevan Jones, who recently visited Basra, welcomed the 
decision to pull out of the palace. He said deliveries of supplies to the 
garrison had been "nightly suicide missions".

      Shadow defence secretary Liam Fox said: "This is not an unexpected 
move, but the families of the personnel involved will want to know that 
every possible precaution has been taken to maximise their safety.

      "Our troops must not be put at needless risk to satisfy the political 
needs of Gordon Brown's Government, any moves must be based upon the 
military reality on the ground."

      Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell said: "The inevitable 
retreat from central Basra underlines the futility of the continuing British 
presence in Iraq.

      "We have heard from the most senior British military voices their 
concern about the lack of post-invasion planning.

      "Nothing confirms that more than the fact the British troops will now 
be confined to Basra airport, an area which is impossible to defend and from 
where they cannot conceivably carry out any useful military function other 
than training the Iraqi army."

      The last troops in the palace were the 4th Battalion The Rifles battle 
group, which is based in Bulford, Wiltshire. They had been there since 
mid-May.

      The Defence Ministry said the base would be handed over to Iraqi 
authorities "in the next few days", but eyewitnesses said Iraqi troops were 
already there last night.

      Basra is the last of five provinces in the UK's sphere of operations 
in southern Iraq which has yet to move to local Iraqi control.

      In the others, British forces play only an 'overwatch' role.

      That involves some training and supervision of local forces and a 
readiness to move in to support Iraqi military and police if necessary.

      Mr Brown has said Basra would move to 'overwatch' as soon as 
conditions allowed.

      He has insisted that UK forces will stay in Iraq to fulfil Britain's 
obligations to the government and people there and the United Nations.

      Downing Street said last night that an overall reduction in troops in 
Iraq would "depend on the assessment of commanders on the ground over the 
coming weeks and months".

      Kevan Jones, a member of the Parliamentary defence committee, said: 
"These plans have been in place for some time and we were told that 
September was going to be the time.

      "The operational reasons for being in Basra Palace were negligible, so 
the withdrawal is not going to affect the security situation. It will 
certainly reduce the number of our troops being used as targets."

      American officials say the withdrawal means Britain has effectively 
accepted defeat in southern Iraq.

      Last month General Jack Keane, a former vice-chief of staff of the 
U.S. Army, said there was 'frustration' in Washington at the deteriorating 
security situation in the British-run area.

      The withdrawal means the end of a British presence in Basra for the 
first time since the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003.

      Attacks on British troops have surged recently, with 41 killed in 
southern Iraq this year, the highest number since the first year of the war.

      Basra, Iraq's second largest city, is strategically vital as the hub 
of oilfields that produce nearly all the country's revenue. It is also a key 
centre for imports and exports.

      The city has been torn by a battle for supremacy between Shia 
militias, including supporters of cleric Moqtada Al-Sadr and groups backed 
by Iran.

      Residents say there is now a fragile calm, but there are fears that 
the British withdrawal will be followed by an upsurge in violence.





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"marty"  wrote in message 
news:kLJCi.2149$es2.389@trndny09...
> ARABS CHOOSE TO KILL KIDS IF GIVEN THE CHANCE
CRAP! POINTING A GUN AT A KID AND BLOWING HIS BRAINS OUT THAT IS WHAT THE 
FUCKING JEWS DO

( NO WALL , NUCLEAR BOMB
> PROMOTION ETC). iSRAEL RESPONDING TO 100S OF ROCKETS AND KIDS DIE
KIDS DID NOT DIE ARSEHOLE, NOT JEWISH KIDS. JEWS KILLED FIVE PALESTINIAN 
KIDS THIS WEEK ALONE

IS THE
> UNFORTUNATE REALITY oNE SIDE TARGETS JEW KIDS AND THE OTHER SIDE HAS TO 
> UNFORTUNATELY DEFEND ITSELF FROM 100S OF ROCKETS
ONE WAY TO AVOID THEM IS TO GO BACK TO RUSSIA WHERE YOU CAME FROM

> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:vIJCi.50800$U24.13215@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> Children of war  By Gideon Levy
>> Again children. Five children killed in Gaza in eight days. The public 
>> indifference to their killing - the last three, for example, were 
>> accorded only a short item on the margins of page 11 in Yedioth Ahronoth, 
>> a sickening matter in itself - cannot blur the fact that the IDF is 
>> waging a war against children. A year ago, a fifth of those killed in the 
>> "Summer Rain" operation in Gaza were children; during the past two weeks, 
>> they comprised a quarter of the 21 killed. If, heaven forbid, children 
>> are hurt in Sderot, we will have to remember this before we begin raising 
>> hell.
>>
>> The IDF explains that the Palestinians make a practice of sending 
>> children to collect the Qassam launchers. However, in this case, the 
>> children killed were not collecting launchers. The first two were killed 
>> while collecting carob fruit and the next three - according to the IDF's 
>> own investigation - were playing tag. But even if we accept the IDF's 
>> claim that there is a general trend of sending children to collect 
>> launchers (which has not been proven), that should have brought about an 
>> immediate halt to firing at launcher collectors.
>>
>> But the IDF does not care whether its victims are liable to be children. 
>> The fact is that it shoots at figures it considers suspicious, with full 
>> knowledge - according to its own contention - that they are liable to be 
>> children. Therefore, an IDF that fires at launcher collectors is an army 
>> that kills children, without any intention of preventing this. This then 
>> is not a series of unfortunate mistakes, as it is being portrayed, but 
>> rather reflects the army's contempt for the lives of Palestinian children 
>> and its terrifying indifference to their fate.
>>
>>
>>  Advertisement
>>
>> A society that holds ethical considerations in high regard would at least 
>> ask itself: Is it permissible to shoot at anyone who is approaching the 
>> launchers, even if we know that some of these people may be small 
>> children, lacking in judgment, and thus not punishable? Or are we lifting 
>> all restraints on our war operations? Even if we accept the IDF's claims 
>> that its sophisticated vision devices do not enable them to distinguish 
>> between a 10-year-old boy and an adult, the IDF cannot evade its 
>> responsibility for this criminal action. Even if we assumed a completely 
>> distorted assumption that anyone who goes near the launchers is subject 
>> to death, the fact that children are involved should have changed the 
>> rules. Add to this the fact that the firing at launcher collectors has 
>> halted the Qassams, or even reduce their number, and you arrive at 
>> another chilling conclusion: The IDF shoots at children to wreak 
>> vengeance and punish.
>>
>> No child in Sderot is more secure as a result of this killing. On the 
>> contrary.
>>
>> Anyone who takes an honest look at the progression of events during the 
>> past two months will discover that the Qassams have a context: They are 
>> almost always fired after an IDF assassination operation, and there have 
>> been many of these. The question of who started it is not a childish 
>> question in this context. The IDF has returned to liquidations, and in a 
>> big way. And in their wake there has been an increase in Qassam firings.
>>
>> That is the truth, and they are hiding it from us. When Gabi Ashkenazi 
>> and Ehud Barak assumed their positions, the reins were loosened. If Barak 
>> were a representative of the political right, perhaps a public outcry 
>> would have already been sounded against the IDF's wild actions in Gaza. 
>> But everything is permitted to Barak, and even the fact that the victims 
>> are children does not matter - not to him and not to the Israeli public.
>>
>> Yes, the children of Gaza gather around the Qassams. It is practically 
>> the only diversion they have in their lives. It is their amusement park. 
>> Those who arrogantly preach to their parents "to watch over them" have 
>> never visited Beit Hanoun. There is nothing there, except for the filthy 
>> alleys and meager homes. Even if it is true that those launching the 
>> Qassams are taking advantage of these miserable children (which has yet 
>> to be proven), this should not shape our moral portrait. Yes, it is 
>> permissible to exercise restraint and caution. Yes, it is not always 
>> necessary to respond, especially when the response ends up killing 
>> children.
>>
>> The way to stop the firing of Qassams is not through indiscriminate 
>> killing. Every launcher can be replaced. The start of the school year 
>> bodes ill, for us and for them. Anyone who truly seeks to stop the firing 
>> of Qassams should reach a cease-fire agreement with the current 
>> government in Gaza. That is the only way and it is possible. The 
>> liquidations, the shelling and the killing of children will work in 
>> exactly the opposite direction of what is intended. In the meantime, look 
>> what is happening to us and to our army.
>>
>>
>
> 




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Bathroom Stalls or White House Halls By David Glenn Cox

Tea and sympathy fell like rain from the CNN (Corporate News Network) 
anchors yesterday. Poor Senator Larry Craig was forced to resign amidst an 
undercover policeman's accusations. Wait just a damn minute here, when was 
the last time you heard a policeman's sworn testimony called an accusation? 
In a purely legalese definition it's factually true but it gives the 
impression of an unproven event which is demonstrably false.

The Senator pled guilty to the charge, he can stand on the court house steps 
and decry his persecution and CNN will give him a free ride because he's 
part of the corporate family. CNN went on to gush about how the President 
had already called the Senator to show his support for Craig during this 
difficult time. Let's cut all the BS here shall we? The man was soliciting 
for anonymous sex in an airport men's room and it has nothing to do with 
Craig's sexuality it has to do with promiscuity and the dignity of the 
office.

But Craig's time isn't difficult, the families receiving phone calls and 
visits at the door from the military that's a difficult time! When you bury 
your child who died trying to do right by his government while his 
government doesn't give a damn about him that's a difficult time. Rest 
assured those families will get no calls from the White House and will bury 
their children with no bathroom stains on the knees of their pants.

But to CNN and their ilk George Herbert Hoover Bush was showing compassion, 
the compassion of a caring man who let thousands die on our own Gulf Coast 
and thousands of service men and women be killed and wounded in premeditated 
wars for aggrandizement and theft. A kind man who has caused the deaths of 
almost one million Iraqi's and the dislocation of two million more.

But his heart goes out to a fellow Republican and a fellow repressed 
homosexual man. He understands how Craig could be lured in to a compromising 
situation. Of course George would never stoop (sorry no pun intended) to men's 
room sexual escapades he has his gay prostitutes brought in under the guise 
of reporters. Made up reporters like Jeff Gannon whose real job was a 
$200.00 an hour prostitute. I wonder did CNN soft peddle this because he was 
corporate, media or a prostitute?

The White House assures us that Gannon never spent the night at the White 
House but the freedom of information act lists Gannon as checking in many 
times with no corresponding times of checking out. But the media does an 
excellent job of misdirection by focussing on whether or not Gannon spent 
the night. Avoiding the six hundred pound Gorilla in the room of who did he 
spend the night with? A conservative President would most certainly fire any 
staffer having gay sex in the White House now wouldn't he? But the media 
avoids the issue by focusing on his press pass instead of who he was passing 
to press.

As I said it's not about sexuality it's about promiscuity and rampant 
promiscuity is an underlying trait found in most psychopaths. Many 
psychopaths have repressed sexual feelings and an inability to be honest 
about who they are which cause them to be homophobic, to gay bash and become 
right wing Republicans like Craig, Gannon and Bush. Even psychopaths have 
the excuse of being mentally ill and they aren't ill because they are gay 
they are ill because they repress the fact that they are gay.

But my problem is with the copos, the copos worked for the Nazi's in the 
concentration camps and were made up of prisoners of all ethnic groups and 
descriptions. They held trustee status and lead the prisoners off the trains 
to the gas chambers. They passed out work assignments and were issued clubs 
to beat other prisoners into submission. My complaint with Larry Craig isn't 
that he's gay but that he's a copo willing to sell out millions just like 
himself for power and wealth. Then when he gets caught in a position no 
self-respecting man gay or straight should ever be caught in to proclaim 
himself as persecuted.

Hypocritical should be thrown out of the dictionary, as it holds no meaning 
after six years of this White House. What difference is a repressed gay 
President? When you've got a President who started a war using uranium 
weapons because he said another country was going to use uranium weapons and 
start a war! A President who billed himself as a compassionate conservative 
yet only shows compassion to a toilet tramp! A President who fights 
terrorism by dropping bombs on civilian apartment buildings.

A President so hell bent for war that as each new lie is exposed he 
generates a new ones like sharks teeth. A President who has presided over 
more military actions than any President since Roosevelt during WW2 yet 
professes to follow the prince of peace. A President who claims to be hands 
on but reads rose garden pronouncements like they are news. The word 
hypocritical should be replaced by Bushocritcal a word meaning a liar to 
such an extent that you wouldn't believe them if they told you the house was 
on fire and you smelled smoke, incapable of telling the truth.

There is only a slight difference between Craig and Bush both sordid tawdry 
men with no character what so ever both seeking gratification and 
unconcerned about the consequences. Whether George Herbert Hoover Bush is a 
repressed homosexual can't be proved, but I wouldn't be alone in speculating 
that it is so. Why was the White House so quick to claim Gannon never spent 
the night if he was ostensibly a reporter, as they claimed, that's odd isn't 
it?

But George Herbert Hoover Bush is a psychopath and many with more 
credentials than I have said so and like his buddy Larry Craig needs to be 
removed from office as mentally unfit. But Craig should not be scorned but 
pitied he is a troubled man but he is not dangerous. But on the other hand 
George Herbert Hoover Bush is dangerous and a troubled man as well and if 
not stopped it is we who shall be pitied.

We stand on a precipice and the mad man is threatening to jump and take us 
with him. Through out America's history we have had some great leaders who 
have risen to historic achievements during troubled times and we need one 
now. We have a President that has destroyed alliances and inflamed the world 
with hatred for us. Who has pilfered our economy and presided over the 
looting of the middle class as well as the destruction of America as a 
manufacturing power.

A President that must be stopped at all costs regardless of means or 
tactics. Regardless of loss or prestige for this President threatens our 
very future and our very existence. He has agreed to talk some time in the 
next two decades about global warming as his pal China opens a new coal 
fired power plant every week and despite accords America has increased it 
green house gas emissions.

A new Siberian express has formed this one instead of taking cold air from 
Siberia to North America in the winter takes warm European air across the 
north pole in summer increasing the melting forecasts from 100 years to 
fifty. It's no longer a question of what kind of life will our grandchildren 
lead but will their be grandchildren at all. Six years of George Herbert 
Hoover Bush have brought us to the brink of world war economic collapse and 
environmental Armageddon this must stop and it must stop now! Today! And by 
any means necessary it is no longer a choice or a reasonable political 
argument.






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September  Sunday 2  2007 (02h38) :
Leaked Red Cross report sets up Bush team for international war-crimes trial
History Will Not Absolve Us

by Nat Hentoff August 28th, 2007 6:30 PM

If and when there's the equivalent of an international Nuremberg trial for 
the American perpetrators of crimes against humanity in Guantánamo, Iraq, 
Afghanistan, and the CIA's secret prisons, there will be mounds of evidence 
available from documented international reports by human-rights 
organizations, including an arm of the European parliament-as well as such 
deeply footnoted books as Stephen Grey's Ghost Plane: The True Story of the 
CIA Torture Program (St. Martin's Press) and Charlie Savage's just-published 
Takeover: The Return of the Imperial Presidency and the Subversion of 
American Democracy (Little, Brown). While the Democratic Congress has yet to 
begin a serious investigation into what many European legislators already 
know about American war crimes, a particularly telling report by the 
International Committee of the Red Cross has been leaked that would surely 
figure prominently in such a potential Nuremberg trial. The Red Cross itself 
is bound to public silence concerning the results of its human-rights probes 
of prisons around the world-or else governments wouldn't let them in.

But The New Yorker's Jane Mayer has sources who have seen accounts of the 
Red Cross interviews with inmates formerly held in CIA secret prisons. In 
"The Black Sites" (August 13, The New Yorker), Mayer also reveals the effect 
on our torturers of what they do-on the orders of the president-to "protect 
American values."

She quotes a former CIA officer: "When you cross over that line of darkness, 
it's hard to come back. You lose your soul. You can do your best to justify 
it, but . . . you can't go back to that dark a place without it changing 
you."

Few average Americans have been changed, however, by what the CIA does in 
our name. Blame that on the tight official secrecy that continues over how 
the CIA extracts information. On July 20, the Bush administration issued a 
new executive order authorizing the CIA to continue using these 
techniques-without disclosing anything about them.

If we, the people, are ultimately condemned by a world court for our 
complicity and silence in these war crimes, we can always try to echo those 
Germans who claimed not to know what Hitler and his enforcers were doing. 
But in Nazi Germany, people had no way of insisting on finding out what 
happened to their disappeared neighbors.

We, however, have the right and the power to insist that Congress discover 
and reveal the details of the torture and other brutalities that the CIA has 
been inflicting in our name on terrorism suspects.

Only one congressman, Oregon's Democratic senator Ron Wyden, has insisted on 
probing the legality of the CIA's techniques-so much so that Wyden has 
blocked the appointment of Bush's nominee, John Rizzo, from becoming the CIA's 
top lawyer. Rizzo, a CIA official since 2002, has said publicly that he didn't 
object to the Justice Department's 2002 "torture" memos, which allowed the 
infliction of pain unless it caused such injuries as "organ failure . . . or 
even death." (Any infliction of pain up to that point was deemed not 
un-American.) Mr. Rizzo would make a key witness in any future Nuremberg 
trial.

As Jane Mayer told National Public Radio on August 6, what she found in the 
leaked Red Cross report, and through her own extensive research on our 
interrogators (who are cheered on by the commander in chief), is "a 
top-down-controlled, mechanistic, regimented program of abuse that was 
signed off on-at the White House, really-and then implemented at the CIA 
>from the top levels all the way down. . . . They would put people naked for 
up to 40 days in cells where they were deprived of any kind of light. They 
would cut them off from any sense of what time it was or . . . anything that 
would give them a sense of where they were."

She also told of the CIA interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, who was not only 
waterboarded (a technique in which he was made to feel that he was about to 
be drowned) but also "kept in . . . a small cage, about one meter [39.7 
inches] by one meter, in which he couldn't stand up for a long period of 
time. [The CIA] called it the dog box."

Whether or not there is another Nuremberg trial-and Congress continues to 
stay asleep-future historians of the Bush administration will surely also 
refer to Leave No Marks: Enhanced Interrogation Techniques and the Risk of 
Criminality, the July report by Human Rights First and Physicians for Social 
Responsibility.

The report emphasizes that the president's July executive order on CIA 
interrogations-which, though it is classified, was widely hailed as banning 
"torture and cruel and inhuman treatment"-"fails explicitly to rule out the 
use of the 'enhanced' techniques that the CIA authorized in March, 2002, 
"with the president's approval (emphasis added).

In 2002, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell denounced the "torture" memos 
and other interrogation techniques in internal reports that reached the 
White House. It's a pity he didn't also tell us. But Powell's objections 
should keep him out of the defendants' dock in any future international 
trial.

>From the Leave No Marks report, here are some of the American statutes that 
the CIA, the Defense Department, and the Justice Department have utterly 
violated:

In the 1994 Torture Convention Implementation Act, we put into U.S. law what 
we had signed in Article 5 of the UN Convention Against Torture, which is 
defined as "an act 'committed by an [officially authorized] person' . . . 
specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering 
. . . upon another person within his custody or physical control."

The 1997 U.S. War Crimes Act "criminalizes . . . specifically enumerated war 
crimes that the legislation refers to as 'grave breaches' of Common Article 
3 [of the Geneva Conventions], including the war crimes of torture and 'cruel 
or inhuman treatment.'"

The Leave No Marks report very valuably brings the Supreme Court- before 
Chief Justice John Roberts took over-into the war-crimes record of this 
administration. I strongly suggest that Human Rights First and Physicians 
for Social Responsibility send their report-with the following section 
underlined-to every current member of the Supreme Court and Congress:

"The Supreme Court has long considered prisoner treatment to violate 
substantive due process if the treatment 'shocks the conscience,' is bound 
to offend even hardened sensibilities, or offends 'a principle of justice so 
rooted in the traditions and conscience of our people as to be ranked as 
fundamental.'"

Among those fundamental rights cited by past Supreme Courts, the report 
continues, are "the rights to bodily integrity [and] the right to have [one's] 
basic needs met; and the right to basic human dignity" (emphasis added).

If the conscience of a majority on the Roberts Court isn't shocked by what 
we've done to our prisoners, then it will be up to the next president and 
the next Congress-and, therefore, up to us-to alter, in some respects, how 
history will judge us. But do you see any considerable signs, among average 
Americans, of the conscience being shocked? How about the presidential 
candidates of both parties?

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And again it was kept quite for weeks by the Jew press. Complete with 
Republican queers wall to wall, and Jew Jack Abramoff at the head of it all.

http://bluenc.com/florida-murder/suicides-nc-ties 




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On Sep 2, 11:44 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> ElParedon wrote:
>
> :: Bush furious as British troops pull out of Basra
> :: This is London,
> ::
> ::
>
> Er much to my surprise it appears the Iraqis agree.
>
> I watched 'Have Your Say' onBBC World this morning and not one Iraqi who
> phoned in (including Sh'ites, Sunnis and Kurds from differents parts of
> Iraq, as well  as Iraqi refugees   ) want the coaltion forces to leave
> now.Things are bad ,but they all seem to agree things would get very  much
> worse if the troops withdraw.
> The British General who was a guest  on the the programme(IIRC his name is
> Gen Casserley) was visibly surprised by the Iraqi response.

wHEATHER THEY WANT TO LEAVE OR NOT THEY HAVE TO, IT IS THE END!



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On Sep 2, 11:12 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> ElParedon wrote:
>
> :: Anyone who thinks that racist rules are a thing of the past is wrong,
> :: according to the mother of a four-and-a-half year old child who was
> :: rejected from a Talmud Torah school because of his grandfather's
> :: ethnicity.
> ::
> :: "They are alive and kicking in all their ugliness in Ashkenazi haredi
> :: educational institutions," the mother said.
> ::
> :: The child was denied admission to a Talmlud Torah school in Beit
> :: Shemesh because of what its principal called a "stain" in his
> :: genealogy.
> ::
> :: "Tell the child's dear father that although he himself is completely
> :: Ashkenazi, his wife's father is Sephardic, and we therefore cannot
> :: accept his son into our institution. We have to maintain a certain
> :: standard," the principal said.
> ::
> :: REST AT LINK...
> ::
> ::http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444634,00.html
>
> I note you left out the following:
>
> "In a statement, the Education Ministry issued a statement saying, "The
> ministry takes any attempt to discriminate against students because of their
> ethnicity or their sex very seriously."
>
> "The claims will be looked into, and should investigations show that the
> students were rejected because of their ethnic group, the ministry will take
> steps to force the institution to accept them."
>
> Rest assured many Israelis are angry about racist, discriminatory behaviour
> like this.

Can you imagine what happens to an Arab kid wanting to join Jew school?



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Sep 2, 8:04 pm, "Spaz"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>
> news:SOHCi.8357$Y7.1840@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> > What will happen, if Iran is attacked?
>
> America will TOTALLY whoop Iran's ASS!!!

Sure they will! I remember when the little men in black pyjamas
whooped Americas ass from here to breakfast time!



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 "Planned" my arse! They wouldn;t dare drop a pin on Iran, because
Green Zone will be airborne in minutes



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 I just have to have a shit every time you bring this crap up!



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"Mary Jane Middleton"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 2, 8:29 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> And again it was kept quite for weeks by the Jew press. Complete with
>> Republican queers wall to wall, and Jew Jack Abramoff at the head of it 
>> all.
>>
>> http://bluenc.com/florida-murder/suicides-nc-ties
>
> So politicians have a love life, so what. Many are homosexuals. Some
> are Jewish, some not. I do not seem to get the point of your post. If
> the incident involve kids or murder while that is a crime, and they
> will go to jail.
IT DOES INVOLVE THREE MURDERS YOU ILLITERATE HO!

Voters do not care about so called dirty tricks. If a
> man is not getting it from his wife he goes to a hooker. Look at
> Clinton. Hillary was not doing her job  so he got it else where.
> Mistresses in France with the richer types are quite common. The
> French word is madras. They used to taker a poor girl and she was
> lover to the wife and husband. In return they was given an education,
> food and place to live. Having sex and a lover is a normal thing in
> life.Male or female. People need it. So your post is talking about
> queers  which is bad English, a better word is homosexual, talking
> about Jew Blacks. It is full of hatred so I think you are sick and
> should see a psychiatrist. See a Jewish one, many be he or she can
> certify you. Over all a cut and paste shitty post.Improve the posts
> please.
> 




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"Mary Jane Middleton"  wrote in message 
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> The USA is at War.
IT IS AN ILLEGAL WAR
IT IS AN INVASION OF A COUNTRY
IT IS A GENOCIDE
IT IS NOT A WAR, WHEN HIRED GUNS ARE SLAUGHTERING PEOPLE WHOLESALE!
TORTURE IS ILLEGAL
ABIR HAMZA WAS 14 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE WAS GANG RAPED BY AMKERICANS AND 
MURDERED

YOU CALL THAT A "WAR" HO? 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message 
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> Venceremos wrote:
> 
>
> :: Can you imagine what happens to an Arab kid wanting to join Jew
> :: school?
You are kidding! They let Arabs go to school in their own country?
How come then they discriminate against a little Jew?
>
> There are many Arab students in Israeli Universities.They are schools.
>
>
> 




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On Sep 3, 1:59 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Mary Jane Middleton wrote:
>
> :: IT DOES INVOLVE THREE MURDERS YOU ILLITERATE HO!
> ::
> ::
> :: You scream all the time and it shows you are ignorant so fuck off I
> :: do not want to read  or reply to your posts. You are on kill file.
> :: Another one these trolls, I never seem to be able to get away from
> :: them
>
> Mat Jane , Alex has beome a 'personality' in these ngs.
> In a bent sort of way we love him. He is a useful tool .
> He never fails to demonstrate the idiocy of Jew hating Islamists.

I HATE NOBODY, SHITHEAD, EXCEPT IDIOTS WHO SPEND THEIR LIVES HARMING
OTHER PEOPLE



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On Sep 3, 2:02 am, Mary Jane Middleton  wrote:
> Mary Jane, what makes you think you can change Alex Seredin's   ways?
> (ie
> Veneceremos/El Paredon)
> Many have tried and failed.. LOL
> I wager you will be no different
>
> Another Ken Pangborn Florida troll stalker miltiple handles
>
> http://aboutkenpangborn.com/history.html
>
> new www
>
> all.sbout.alexseredins.org     registered tonit
>
> please give more details for the web site I am building sbout him.
 SUCK MY COCK YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE MONGREL!



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On Sep 3, 11:29 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1188791366.376967.254820@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 2, 11:36 pm, Mary Jane Middleton  wrote:
> > > No Tell that to the widows of loved ones that lost their lives in the
> > > 9/11 attacks,
> > \
> > YOU ARE VERY STUPID IF YOU THINK THAT AN AIRPLANE KNOCKED OVER THE
> > TOWERS, AND THAT THE MAN IN THE CAVE MADE IT HAPPEN<
>
> And you are very stupid if you think those Saudi Arabs who hijacked and flew
> them into the WTC did it because the Mossad or CIA talked them into it.

There are many ways to make people do your bidding. Since seven of
them are still alive and no FBI bothered to talk to them, I do not
believe that there were any Arabs on those planes at all!  If there
were they would be on the passanger lists!

And Mohhammed Atta's passport complete with dozen credit card slips
still in it magically fell right in front of a NY cop! It was an
obvious set up by Mossad



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Cezar ended up with a blade between his ribs. Caligula got his skull
cracked with the same log, he used to crack other skulls.

This is poetic justice.

In order to avoid poetic justice Emperor Bush, made sure that all
military personell in his presence were disarmed, except for those who
were his personal Gestapo. Thus poetic justice in Iraq was avoided
yesterday!

In Australia, Sydney abode of George Bush is surrounded by 15,000
police and military, and 45 mile no fly zone is enforced strictly.

To avoid the poetic justice!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Austria probes 'army Nazi video'
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It is quite legal to be a Nazi, you stupid dingbat! Membership of the
Nazi party in United States is quite large. The more you restrict
people's right to be Nazis the more they want to be.

On Sep 4, 11:31 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Austria's authorities are investigating a video which appeared on website
> YouTube, apparently showing uniformed soldiers exchanging Hitler salutes.
> The defence ministry said a number of people were being questioned.
>
> The film is said to have been shot on a mobile phone at an army barracks in
> the western city of Salzburg.
>
> Defence Minister Norbert Darabos said there was "zero tolerance" for such
> actions. Any display of Nazi propaganda or symbols is a crime in Austria.
>
> "Those involved will have to answer to the army and the law and take the
> consequences," Mr Darabos said.
>
> In the video, which has now been removed from YouTube, one man in uniform is
> seen stretching his arm into a Nazi salute while another one shouts "Heil
> Hitler!", reports said.
>
> The men could face up to 10 years behind bars if found guilty of the
> offence.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6978500.stm




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Sep 3, 5:08 am, Reargunner  wrote:
> Yes Alex some professions cannot necessarily be altered to suit
> religious beliefs.
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/03/2022661.htm
>
> The conference, convened by former human rights commissioner Dr Sev
> Ozdowski, is focusing on the growing number of Muslims at Australian
> universities and on whether the institutions are coping with the rise.
>
> Dr Ozdowski says while Australian universities are secular and it is
> important to keep them that way, there are measures such as providing
> prayer spaces that can help.
>
> "When we expect Muslim students to attend classes on Friday, we need to
> help them so they can pray as well," he said.
>
> But he says there are some issues that are not negotiable.
>
> "When we deal with nurses' training, some Islamic women were saying, 'We
> don't like to touch bodies of men,' but it's not appropriate," he said.
>
> "If they do not wish to touch all their patients which require nursing,
> then perhaps they should think about some other profession when it's not
> required.
>
> >   Their Arab clothing was discovered in their van, along with box cutters
> > and weapons, and their visas had expired, so they were in the country
> > illegally. They were arrested and put in a federal jail in Brooklyn.


Yeah, sure I saw lots of Haredi women working as nurses, emptying
chamber pots of muslim men! You fucking bigot!



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the most ignorant, uneducated piece of garbage some Jewess has ever
shitted out that is Mc Vay



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GO AND PISS IN THE IDIOTS FILTHY TRAP FOR ME, GIVE YOU HUNDRED BUCKS
WHEN I AM IN PARKSVILLE NEXT TIME



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On Sep 4, 7:08 pm, "Sapien"  wrote:
> CONGRESSMEN SAYS U.S. DOLLAR HEADING FOR COLLAPSE
> SAYS WAR WITH IRAQ - AND COMING WAR WITH IRAN - ARE BOTH BASED ON
> MAINTAINING U.S. DOLLAR SUPREMECY IN THE WORLD
> Reveals that shortly before we attacked Iraq, Saddam Hussein ceased
> accepting the U.S. Dollar for oil sales and next month, March 2006, Iran
> will do the same thing; opting to accept only EUROS.
>
> BY: Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) Before the US House of Representatives,
> February 15, 2006
>
> A hundred years ago it was called "dollar diplomacy." After World War II,
> and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy
> evolved into "dollar hegemony." But after all these many years of great
> success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end.
>
> It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In
> earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required=
 an
> exchange for something of real value. First it was simply barter of goods.
> Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a
> convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only d=
id
> gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of
> value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.
>
> Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew =
in
> power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments
> succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time
> governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always
> incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn't long before Kings and
> Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of
> gold in each coin - always hoping their subjects wouldn't discover the
> fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.
>
> This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nation=
s=2E
> The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the
> circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands
> seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Beside=
s,
> conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as
> well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incenti=
ve
> to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but =
the
> moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for
> themselves. There was a limit to the number of countries that could be
> sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When
> gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those
> days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.
>
> That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, =
and
> the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever
> wealthy nations - those with powerful armies and gold - strived only for
> empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.
>
> Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Go=
ld
> no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: "He w=
ho
> prints the money makes the rules" - at least for the time being. Although
> gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to
> produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control o=
ver
> the monetary printing presses.
>
> Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer=
 of
> the international currency must always be the country with the military
> might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems
> the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that
> issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that suc=
h a
> system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation's people - just
> as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquer=
ing
> other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while
> encouraging debt and runaway welfare.
>
> The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate
> welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation =
for
> their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal
> responsibility for one's actions is rejected.
>
> When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political
> stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means=
 to
> living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust=
 to
> the new rules - rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct
> printing press.
>
> "Dollar Diplomacy," a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his
> Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S.
> commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concoc=
ted
> a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt's corollary to the Mon=
roe
> Doctrine preceded Taft's aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and
> diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the
> popular title of "Dollar Diplomacy." The significance of Roosevelt's chan=
ge
> was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere "appearance"
> that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to
> European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S.
> government "obligation" to protect our commercial interests from European=
s=2E
>
> This new policy came on the heels of the "gunboat" diplomacy of the late
> 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the
> threat of force. By the time the "dollar diplomacy" of William Howard Taft
> was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And t=
hey
> were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost
> its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of =
the
> Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn't too long before dollar
> "diplomacy" became dollar "hegemony" in the second half of the 20th centu=
ry.
>
> This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in moneta=
ry
> policy and the nature of the dollar itself.
>
> Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971
> the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 =
and
> 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply=
 at
> will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance
> from Congress - while benefiting the special interests that influence
> government.
>
> Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the
> destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were fil=
led
> with the world's gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline
> of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay
> the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary
> spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were
> institutionalized for decades to come.
>
> The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent
> world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political
> and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, t=
he
> world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold)=
 as
> the world's reserve currency. The dollar was said to be "as good as gold,"
> and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American
> citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange
> standard that from inception was doomed to fail.
>
> The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more
> dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to
> accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question - until =
the
> French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay
> one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This
> resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised
> pseudo-gold standard.
>
> It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and
> refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In
> essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other
> monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the
> markets.
>
> Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the
> printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed=
 on
> it - not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though =
the
> new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door f=
or
> dollar hegemony to spread.
>
> Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind-boggling, eli=
te
> money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, str=
uck
> an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all
> worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world
> currencies and in essence "backed" the dollar with oil. In return, the U.=
S=2E
> promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf
> against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped igni=
te
> the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the
> region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremend=
ous
> financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our
> monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as
> dollar influence flourished.
>
> This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that
> existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was
> helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo-gold standard under
> Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the
> late 19th century.
>
> During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and go=
ld...
>
> read more =BB

You can bet your balls on that one pal! Uncle Mao is not buying any US
bonds for quite some time!



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Subject: Re: 4.5 YEAR OLD REJECTED FROM THE KIKE SCHOOL, BECAUSE HE IS NOT A FULL JEW
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On Sep 3, 8:46 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Benjamin Cramer wrote:
>
> :: Nice try, twatty, but no cigar. That, in no way, detracts from the
> :: above.
> ::
> :: Christ you're shallow. Bird-bath territory.
>
> Which explains why you  invited ME to come sailing on the yacht you are
> delivering to Noumea this week.

YOU ARE KIDDING, WHERE IS HE GOING TO PUT YOUR SUPER ARSE? IT IS YACHT
NOT A DUMP TRUCK
>
> Do you enjoy shallow company Ben?  




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On Sep 3, 7:20 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Benjamin Cramer wrote:
> :: "Tilly"  wrote in message
>
> ::news:fbg16l$b1h$1@aioe.org...::: Venceremos wrote:
>
> ::: 
> :::
> ::::: Can you imagine what happens to an Arab kid wanting to join Jew
> ::::: school?
> :::
> :::
> ::: There are many Arab students in Israeli Universities.They are
> ::: schools.
> ::
> :: Not a single Palestinian though.
>
> Wrong!
> There are many Palestinians in Israeli universities.

Since the population of the occupied Palestine is 50$ Palestinian,
half of the students should be Palestinian



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:48:15 EDT 2007
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On Sep 3, 11:40 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message
>
> news:2Omdnd_UudWlJUbbnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > "Tilly"  wrote in message
> >news:fbg16l$b1h$1@aioe.org...
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > 
>
> > > :: Can you imagine what happens to an Arab kid wanting to join Jew
> > > :: school?
>
> > > There are many Arab students in Israeli Universities.They are schools.
>
> > Not a single Palestinian though.<
>
> ISraeli Arabs also call themselves "Palestinians." There are MANY, way too
> many of them in ISraeli universities,

IT IS PALESTINE, PIGOO, REMEBER, OCCUPIED OR NOT, IT IS THE JEW THAT
SHOULD BE OUT NOT A PALESTINIAN



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"muto2100"  wrote in message 
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2   facts    are   showing    100 %    Big   USA   -CIA   MOSSAD
LIES.So   that   give    false    proof     to   atack    Afgaisthan
and   Iraq     and    maybe   Iran
So   terror    made    in    Mossad    and  Cia   labolatory
underground!

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#  A paper passport cannot survive a plane crashing at 400 miles an
hour into a building, survive the collapse of a 110 story tower which
pulverized thousands of tons of concrete into fine dust, then be found
intact on top of the rubble. Case closed again.

Then there was the passport. The security services claim that a
passport belonging to one of the hijackers was extracted from the
rubble of the World Trade Centre. This definitive identification might
help them to track the rest of the network. We are being asked to
believe that a paper document from the cockpit of the first plane ņ
the epicentre of an inferno which vapourised steel ņ survived the
fireball and fell to the ground almost intact.

When presented with material like this, I can't help suspecting that
intelligence agents have assembled the theory first, then sought the
facts required to fit it. The West, in the name of civilisation, was
insisting that Bin Laden was guilty, and it would find the evidence
later. (Ahmed, Newdawnmagazine.com) Full story...

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

Take the identity of the highjacker of flight 93, which was supposedly
buried after nosing into the ground at 580 miles per hour: "So we are
supposed to believe that although Jarrah's body, being in the cockpit,
was thrust dozens of feet into the ground, his passport, presumably in
his pocket, flew out of the cockpit when the plane's nose impacted the
ground and landed intact on the surface."

HARD   DRIVE   where   are   all   of  them    from    9/11   airplanes

Actually, Atta's "passport" with about a dozen credit card slips stuck in it 
was found about a mile from WTC, in full view where a cop was sure to find 
it. It was a plant, obviously!

The whole official story of 811 is a fable. Maybe Disney will make a cartoon 
out of it some day




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More like a Hitlerjugend camp, where the Nazi youths were taught superiority 
over any other lesser beings.

"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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> British current affairs magazine has compared the Marva and Gadna IDF 
> youth summer programs to Islamic Jihad "summer camps," and questioned what 
> the difference would be if the participants were British Muslims.
>
> In the latest edition of New Statesman, journalist Matthew Holehouse 
> begins his article, entitled "The British children who train to fight in 
> Israel," by stating that Israel denounced the Islamic Jihad summer camps 
> in Gaza, which trained Palestinian adolescents to become suicide bombers, 
> after hearing about them in 2001.
> However, he continues, "what went unreported was that at a purpose-built 
> barracks in the Negev desert, every summer, hundreds of Jewish teenagers 
> from Europe, Mexico and America pay to spend nine weeks saluting, 
> marching, firing guns and otherwise pretending to be soldiers."
>
> Holehouse then asks what would happen if these were young British Muslims 
> who had trained in Yemen or Pakistan.
>
> "There's not much to be won in games of moral equivalence and assertions 
> as to which side's indiscriminate attacks on civilians are the more 
> reprehensible," he says. "But ask yourself this question: If these were 
> British Muslim 19-year-olds firing machine guns and running assault 
> courses in Pakistan or Yemen, would we not have them all arrested at the 
> airport?"
>
> Holehouse says the increasing number of Jewish youth signing up to the 
> program is due to the "security situation improving" and notes that they 
> were facilitated by Jewish youth organizations such as the Federation of 
> Zionist Youth (FZY) and the Reform Synagogue Youth (RSY).
>
> He adds that "one half [of the participants] are girls, and large numbers 
> come from public schools in Manchester and North London."
>
> Michael Outmezguine, from Woodside Park in North London, did Marva in 
> 2004.
>
> "I was part of the Royal Air Force (RAF) cadets program when in school. We 
> learnt about the RAF and its history and had to comply with basic military 
> rules and behavior, such as saluting and marching," he told The Jerusalem 
> Post on Tuesday. "My brother was in the Territorial Army (TA) cadets when 
> at the City of London High School. This included using the SA80 rifle and 
> military maneuvers. We had no doubt that this, although being a military 
> activity, was an interesting experience and added to our out-of-school 
> education.
>
> "Turning 18, I wanted to discover more about the history and the culture 
> of Israel. Marva was a special experience for me - I got see many 
> interesting parts of the country, had a lot of fun and learnt a great deal 
> about the country. It also improved my Hebrew drastically. Being similar 
> to that of the cadets and being run by the military, it required us to 
> adhere to certain military standards, which was clear to me before I 
> signed up and was an aspect of the program which interested me," he 
> recounted.
>
> "Marva is a unique and exciting experience which I will never forget. One 
> of our first lessons ... was the purity of the weapon and the 
> understanding that the IDF will do anything in its power to live in peace 
> and never to attack anyone, no matter who they represent, unless in clear 
> and present danger," he said.
>
> Michael Freeman, director of FZY in Israel, said in a statement released 
> Tuesday that his group was "appalled" by Holehouse's article.
>
> "The outrageous, unsubstantiated and unconnected headline, introduction 
> and conclusion reflect a poorly researched piece of journalism. ... FZY is 
> rightly proud of our year program and the work that it does to foster 
> understanding and our aim to see peace in the region."
>
> He continued: "Mr. Holehouse attempts to make the spurious connection 
> between a terrorist training camp - designed to indoctrinate children with 
> hate and encourage them to become suicide bombers whose aim is to kill and 
> maim innocent civilians - with a program that aims to allow youth from 
> abroad to understand the Israel army's role in society and meet their 
> Israeli peers, who are all conscripted at 18 due to the existential threat 
> that Israel faces."
>
> Describing Marva, Freeman said: "Participants teach English in schools, 
> volunteer in hospitals, work with Magen David Adom - in some cases working 
> on the Gaza border with Palestinians, work in old age homes and other 
> places.
>
> "FZY is committed to an ideology based on Zionism and our belief in the 
> rights of the Jewish people to self-determination. Our education takes 
> place in a political and religious pluralist framework; our members come 
> with views from all sides of the political spectrum," he added.
>
> Contesting Holehouse's statistics, Freeman said: "Large numbers come from 
> public schools in Manchester and North London. Over 35 percent need some 
> form of financial assistance - although this current year it is in excess 
> of 50 percent - and over 65 percent go to state schools."
>
> FZY is also considering legal action, Freeman said. In the article, 
> Holehouse calls FZY "one of the largest and most hard-line organizers" of 
> post-high school programs, and quoting their Web site, which says that 
> "FZY feels that you cannot truly understand Israel and the people living 
> there if you do not understand the army," he says, "And that, for many 
> Jews, must be rather depressing."
>
> Holehouse adds that Marva "demonstrates how some Zionists have 
> inadvertently come to mimic their opponents in defining Israel solely by 
> its militarism."
>
> In his response, Freeman said: "For FZY to be described as 'hard-line' in 
> an article that talks of suicide bombers and Islamic Jihad is outrageous. 
> In light of this, FZY is currently taking advice and considering its legal 
> position."
>
> In response to discussions on the New Statesman Web site, Holehouse said, 
> "The article makes it quite clear that the Israeli army does not intend to 
> use its Marva recruits as soldiers and does not regard them as such ... My 
> understanding of it is ... that this is a case of teenagers 'playing at 
> soldiers' and that Marva aims to give people a 'fun taste' of the IDF."
>
> He continues, "Given the statistics available on injuries and deaths 
> sustained by children as a result of suicide bombings and IDF operations 
> ... I think I can be forgiven for finding such a 'summer camp' a rather 
> depressing and inglorious project."
> 




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> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.

YOU DOCUMENT THAT SIX MILLION JEWS DIED YOU LYING ZIONAZI PIG

>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.

Keegstra was absolutely right, and it is well documented that Talmud
teaches Jews to be all those things. Read Talmud if you do not believe
me.
>
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.

Canada is now impregnate by the ZioNazi propaganda. I am not surprised
that they charged an innocent man
>
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.

Jews never sto kwetching, no matter what. If you gave them the whole
world they would kvetch for the moon.



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1189340604.695483.279630@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Alex Seredin, the Hatemonger of Delray
> Beach, Venceremos   wrote:
>
>>On Sep 9, 7:02 am, Reargunner  wrote:
>>> In article <5gPEi.4249$bf1.702@trnddc04>, j...@desturmer.de says...
>>>
>>> > You are correct, we need another leader like Hitler to cleanse Europe 
>>> > of all
>>> > muslims, jews and wogs :o)
>>>
>>> Wrong. right and wrong.
>>>
>>> The Nazis liked Muslims and created a Nazi/Islam
>>axis.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arG6N46CbmY&mode=related&search=
>>
>>LIAR! THERE ARE GRAVES OF MANY THOUSANDS OF ARABS WHO DIED DURING WWII
>>FIGHTING ON THE ALLIED SIDE. I SAW NO GRAVES OF THE BLOODY JEWS AT ALL
>>AT EL ALAMEIN, EXCEPT IN THE GERMAN CEMETRY.
>>
>>150,000 JEWS SERVED HITLER FRAITHFULLY, THERE WERE NO MUSLIMS IN
>>WEHRMACHT

MUFTI DID NOT FIGHT WITH THE NAZIS JEWS DID! 




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On Sep 17, 4:40 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> In article <1190007205.648403.250...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> > ZioNazis murder Palestinians.
>
> Yeh,  yeh,  yeh.  Last time I saw the news,  the "ZioNazis" gave
> Gaza to the Palestinians,
HOW CAN ANYONE "GIVE" ANYTHING WHICH AIN'T THEIRS?  ONLY KIKES CAN
MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT



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On Sep 17, 5:30 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> In article <1190020065.973847.26...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> >On Sep 17, 10:40 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> >> In article <1190007205.648403.250...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> >> > ZioNazis murder Palestinians.
>
> >> Yeh,  yeh,  yeh.  Last time I saw the news,  the "ZioNazis" gave
> >> Gaza to the Palestinians,  only to have the latter use it as
> >> a launch pad to fire rockets at Israeli cities.
>
> >How can ZioNazis give something that is not theirs?
>
> It was theirs. And why do the Palestinians fire rockets at Israeli
> cities?

BECAUSE THEY WANT KIKES OUT OF PALESTINE, NOW!



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On Sep 17, 5:56 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> In article <1190022618.308034.176...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
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> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> >On Sep 17, 11:30 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> >Zionazi stole their lands. The UN mandate to establish Israel was
> >probably a hard pill to swallow but at least it had the stamp of UN
> >approval. Every square foot of Arab land Israel took since is stolen
> >and should be returned to their rightful owners.
>
> Nobody stole any land, but that's not the point. The point is
> that they got their(?) land back, yet they continue to fire
> hundreds of rockets at Israeli cities. Why?

SIMPLE! PALESTINE BELONGS TO PALESTINIANS NOT TO RUSSIANS, THEY WANT
THE ZIONAZI SCUM OUT



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    In his moving letter to the editor below, Israel Shahak underlines that 
almost all the administrative tasks and policing required by the Nazis was 
placed in Jewish hands, that Jewish collaborators were ubiquitous, and that 
it was Jewish collaborators who rendered the Jewish Holocaust feasible and 
who stood as obstacles in the path of Jewish resistance.  Note, 
particularly, that the children of the Warsaw ghetto were taught to fear the 
Jewish collaborator more than the Ukrainian collaborator:

      Falsification of the Holocaust

      Letter to the editor by Prof. Israel Shahak,
      published on 19 May 1989 in Kol Ha'ir, Jerusalem. Available online at:
      http://www.kaiwan.com/codoh/newsdesk/890519.HTML

           I disagree with the opinion of Haim Baram that the Israeli 
education system has managed to instil a "Holocaust awareness" in its pupils 
(Kol Ha'Ir 12.5.89).  It's not an awareness of the Holocaust but rather the 
myth of the Holocaust or even a falsification of the Holocaust (in the sense 
that "a half-truth is worse than a lie") which has been instilled here.
          As one who himself lived through the Holocaust, first in Warsaw 
then in Bergen-Belsen, I will give an immediate example of the total 
ignorance of daily life during the Holocaust.  In the Warsaw ghetto, even 
during the period of the first massive extermination (June to October 1943), 
one saw almost no German soldiers.  Nearly all the work of administration, 
and later the work of transporting hundreds of thousands of Jews to their 
deaths, was carried out by Jewish collaborators.  Before the outbreak of the 
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (the planning of which only started after the 
extermination of the majority of Jews in Warsaw), the Jewish underground 
killed, with perfect justification, every Jewish collaborator they could 
find.  If they had not done so the Uprising could never have started.  The 
majority of the population of the Ghetto hated the collaborators far more 
than the German Nazis.  Every Jewish child was taught, and this saved the 
lives of some of them "if you enter a square from which there are three 
exits, one guarded by a German SS man, one by an Ukrainian and one by a 
Jewish policeman, then you should first try to pass the German, and then 
maybe the Ukrainian, but never the Jew".
          One of my own strongest memories is that, when the Jewish 
underground killed a despicable collaborator close to my home at the end of 
February 1943, I danced and sang around the still bleeding corpse together 
with the other children.  I still do not regret this, quite the contrary.
          It is clear that such events were not exclusive to the Jews, the 
entire Nazi success in easy and continued rule over millions of people 
stemmed from the subtle and diabolical use of collaborators, who did most of 
the dirty work for them.  But does anybody now know about this?  This, and 
not what is "instilled" was the reality.  Of the Yad Vashem (official state 
Holocaust museum in Jerusalem - Ed.) theatre, I do not wish to speak at all. 
It, and its vile exploiting, such as honouring South Africa collaborators 
with the Nazis are truly beneath contempt.
          Therefore, if we knew a little of the truth about the Holocaust, 
we would at least understand (with or without agreeing) why the Palestinians 
are now eliminating their collaborators.  That is the only means they have 
if they wish to continue to struggle against our limb-breaking regime.

      Kind regards,

      [Israel Shahak]

Here is the story of one such Jewish collaborator:

          Moldetsky, a leader of the Zionist Workers Party (Poalei Zion), 
who was appointed head of the council of elders in Bedzin, and who, over the 
course of years, chose thousands of Jews for forced labor and extermination, 
succeeded in remaining alive.  For the mass deportations, Moldetsky 
published a decree which was completely fraudulent and deceiving, in which 
he said: "Jews, dress up in your holiday clothes and march joyfully to the 
gathering places mentioned above.  No one is to remain at home.  ..."  The 
Jews, in their innocence, obeyed him.  The result was that people with large 
families - as well as the elderly - a total of 8,000, were sent to 
Auschwitz.  The babies were pushed into sacks by the Nazis.
          ...
          After the war, Moldetsky - by merit of Zionist activities - was 
understandably one of the first to receive an immigration certificate to 
Palestine.  His collaboration in the murder of tens of thousands of Jews did 
not make him unfit in the eyes of the officials of the Jewish Agency, who 
were distributing the certificates.  He went to Eretz Yisroel where, it has 
been reported, the revengeful hand of the Jews of Bedzin killed him while he 
was taking a trip in the mountains.
      (Reb Moshe Shonfeld, The Holocaust Victims Accuse: Documents and 
Testimony on Jewish War Criminals, Neturei Karta of U.S.A., Brooklyn, 1977, 
pp. 122-123)

    The media make much of Ukrainians welcoming the invading Germans.  For 
example, on October 24, 1993, Morley Safer stated on the 60 Minutes story 
The Ugly Face of Freedom that "The same square [in Lviv, Ukraine] greeted 
Hitler's troops fifty years ago as liberators," making this seem like a 
symptom of a Ukrainian sympathy for Naziism.  What Mr. Safer did not specify 
is who were the people in that square who were welcoming Hitler's troops, 
and the truth was that all people - Ukrainians, Poles, and Jews - welcomed 
Hitler's troops.  Jews welcomed Hitler's troops?  Yes, so it would appear:






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FBI Turning Over Stones
With Israelis Underneath

      By Scott DaVault

      On November 10th, the New York Times reported that America was 
cracking down on terrorism by toughening policies for immigration from Arab 
countries, hinting that people entering from any of those countries are 
suspect in our government's eyes. The full list is: Afghanistan, Algeria, 
Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, 
Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, 
Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen. 
Oddly, although sixty Israelis have been taken into custody, it didn't make 
the list. Considering that the U.S. has stated that we are not involved in a 
"holy war" it is odd that we've been so lopsided with our immigration 
policy, especially since at least sixty Israelis have been detained in 
response to the September 11th attacks.

      The Israeli's are not Arabs pretending to be Jewish, as multiple 
stories have been printed in the Jerusalem Post demanding their release. 
What is known, is that most of them are in their early twenties, and fresh 
out of the Israeli military. Any speculation as to their possible 
involvement with Israel's Mossad would be relatively groundless, but the 
organizations they've been linked to in the U.S. are notorious for being 
both clandestine and harmful to our citizens.

      A Plantation, Florida police officer working closely with the FBI 
stated in a phone interview that at least five moving companies are 
currently under investigation. With nationwide allegations of incredible 
amounts of moving fraud and extortion by Israelis in the months before the 
September 11th attacks, it is no surprise that the government has taken 
interest. Unfortunately, the interest seems to be fleeting when faced with 
the lawyers and ambassadors that Israel has on its side. The young men from 
Urban Moving Systems who were detained after jumping up and down and 
laughing while taking pictures of the burning World Trade Center have 
already been deported, much to the chagrin of Rick Martin. Martin of 
Millennium Marketplace contracted New York-based Urban Moving Systems to 
move his company only to have lost everything but the company's name. All of 
his company's property, including its line of apparel and company records 
was last seen on an Urban Moving truck, and the FBI refuses to give him any 
information as to possible their whereabouts, according to the PRNewswire.

      Another detail that should not be overlooked is that over a dozen 
computer hard drives were removed from Urban Moving Systems, according to 
the Associated Press. Michael Maffucci, an owner of a New York-based 
independent moving company and a member of the Long Island Moving and 
Storage Association stated that it is highly unlikely that that many 
computers would be needed to keep track of a small fleet of trucks. It is 
obvious that they were not used to operate the company's website, which is 
still operational, though the phone numbers listed on it are not. It is a 
closed shop that the FBI is evading answering questions about.

      The questions about the moving companies which all appear to be under 
Israeli ownership are overshadowed, at the moment, by the questions of Bin 
Laden's whereabouts. It is understandable that the government would like to 
keep it that way. From collected written testimonials from defrauded 
customers and newspaper articles, a profile of the Israelis employed by the 
moving companies and another company, Quality Sales, Inc. has been 
established.

      The testimonials added to statements from currently detained Israelis 
do not paint a pretty picture. After completing their national duty of 
serving in Israeli's army, the young men and women tour the world. Some end 
up here in the U.S. where a network set up in Miami affords them apartments 
and jobs in moving companies during the warmer seasons. When the weather 
gets colder, and the Christmas season comes around, they are given different 
jobs America's malls selling products in temporary mall kiosks. This holiday 
season, the product of choice is the Zoom Copter, a flying toy that sells on 
the internet for approximately five dollars on Yahoo and some on-line hobby 
stores. Although the copters are available in three styles, the kiosks are 
only selling red and white copters, and green versions with "U.S. Army" 
printed on the side. The third style, a black helicopter, is not displayed 
at the malls.

      The Washington Post's November 22nd ran an article titled "60 Israelis 
on Tourist Visas Detained Since Sept. 11" that specifically states that 
employees of Quality Sales, Inc. in Toledo, Ohio and other Israelis in the 
U.S. have been detained in relation to our government's ongoing terrorism 
probe. Officials were tipped off to the existence of the foreigners by 
vigilant citizens who spied the suspicious characters living together in 
neighborhood apartment buildings. The Cleveland/Toledo detainees are, "the 
subject of an ongoing criminal investigation into an individual or company 
who had agreed to pay living and travel expenses", according to FBI agents 
quoted by the Washington Post.

      At the time the Washington Post article was written, all but two of 
the 11 employees of Quality Sales were released on bond. The remaining two 
are held in connection with the attacks, according to the Post. The Post 
also gives mention to David Leopold, a Toledo immigration lawyer 
representing the 11 Israelis and also Thomas Dean, the lawyer for Quality 
Sales in Miami. The Post fails to mention that Thomas Dean is also solely an 
immigration lawyer as evidenced by his website, american-immigration.com. 
Quality Sales, Inc. who lists it's Miami address as only a post office box 
across the street from Miami-Dade Community College, might soon be needing 
more than just immigration lawyers.

      At the time this article was written, Quality Sales was also misusing 
another Miami company's name by placing a laminated sign presenting the name 
"MAGIFF" on a Quality Sales mall cart in the Cincinnati area. Mario Vargas 
of Magiff Nails was surprised by this news, stating that his company 
specializes in men and women's beauty products and does not offer Zoom 
Copters in their line of products. Vargas added that Magiff used to have a 
kiosk in the Tri-County mall, but does not do business there any longer. 
Vargas' statement is in direct conflict with the employee of the kiosk who 
said that he was under the management of Magiff. An empty kiosk in another 
part of the same mall displayed the name Magiff in permanent lettering on 
the cart and backs up Vargas' claim.

      Last year, in the same mall, Quality Sales sold flying toys as well as 
operating another stand during the holidays that offered what appeared to be 
original paintings but were actually canvas transfers. In addition to 
selling the paintings in the malls, individual Israelis would visit 
businesses door-to-door selling the same paintings at over $200 apiece, a 
blatant rip-off of any buyers. Door-to-door Israeli art dealers of an 
identical nature were also spotted in the St. Louis area.

      What can be said for sure, at this time, is that these men all seem to 
be organized out of the Miami-area, and are involved in less than legitimate 
businesses. From the actions of the Israelis who were illegally employed by 
Urban Moving who joked while two of our tallest buildings burned, we can be 
sure that their sentiments toward Americans are often less than 
compassionate. The money and property stolen by the moving companies added 
to the large profits made from selling fake art could have easily funded the 
terrorism witnessed on September 11th.

      While we can be sure that the Israelis were all trained in the 
military, we do not know whether any of them have specific knowledge 
pertaining to flying aircraft or bomb-making. The FBI, it is known, is 
investigating these Israelis because, after seeing what has happened to two 
of the tallest buildings in the United States, we've learned that what we 
don't know can hurt us. The actual identity of Mohammed Atta may never be 
known, since the planes that tore into Manhattan surely disintegrated all 
passengers. Until details as to where the cash he used to pay for his 
Pontiac Firebird is discovered and made public, it is wisest to follow the 
lead of the Justice Department's spokesperson Dan Nelson and leave "no stone 
unturned".




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> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.

YOU DOCUMENT THAT SIX MILLION JEWS DIED YOU LYING ZIONAZI PIG

>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.

Keegstra was absolutely right, and it is well documented that Talmud
teaches Jews to be all those things. Read Talmud if you do not believe
me.
>
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.

Canada is now impregnate by the ZioNazi propaganda. I am not surprised
that they charged an innocent man
>
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.

Jews never sto kwetching, no matter what. If you gave them the whole
world they would kvetch for the moon.



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1189340604.695483.279630@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Alex Seredin, the Hatemonger of Delray
> Beach, Venceremos   wrote:
>
>>On Sep 9, 7:02 am, Reargunner  wrote:
>>> In article <5gPEi.4249$bf1.702@trnddc04>, j...@desturmer.de says...
>>>
>>> > You are correct, we need another leader like Hitler to cleanse Europe 
>>> > of all
>>> > muslims, jews and wogs :o)
>>>
>>> Wrong. right and wrong.
>>>
>>> The Nazis liked Muslims and created a Nazi/Islam
>>axis.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arG6N46CbmY&mode=related&search=
>>
>>LIAR! THERE ARE GRAVES OF MANY THOUSANDS OF ARABS WHO DIED DURING WWII
>>FIGHTING ON THE ALLIED SIDE. I SAW NO GRAVES OF THE BLOODY JEWS AT ALL
>>AT EL ALAMEIN, EXCEPT IN THE GERMAN CEMETRY.
>>
>>150,000 JEWS SERVED HITLER FRAITHFULLY, THERE WERE NO MUSLIMS IN
>>WEHRMACHT

MUFTI DID NOT FIGHT WITH THE NAZIS JEWS DID! 




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Sep 17, 4:40 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> In article <1190007205.648403.250...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> > ZioNazis murder Palestinians.
>
> Yeh,  yeh,  yeh.  Last time I saw the news,  the "ZioNazis" gave
> Gaza to the Palestinians,
HOW CAN ANYONE "GIVE" ANYTHING WHICH AIN'T THEIRS?  ONLY KIKES CAN
MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT



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On Sep 17, 5:30 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> In article <1190020065.973847.26...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> >On Sep 17, 10:40 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> >> In article <1190007205.648403.250...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> >> > ZioNazis murder Palestinians.
>
> >> Yeh,  yeh,  yeh.  Last time I saw the news,  the "ZioNazis" gave
> >> Gaza to the Palestinians,  only to have the latter use it as
> >> a launch pad to fire rockets at Israeli cities.
>
> >How can ZioNazis give something that is not theirs?
>
> It was theirs. And why do the Palestinians fire rockets at Israeli
> cities?

BECAUSE THEY WANT KIKES OUT OF PALESTINE, NOW!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Sun Sep 23 17:52:00 EDT 2007
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On Sep 17, 5:56 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> In article <1190022618.308034.176...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
> >On Sep 17, 11:30 am, Alan Jones  wrote:
> >Zionazi stole their lands. The UN mandate to establish Israel was
> >probably a hard pill to swallow but at least it had the stamp of UN
> >approval. Every square foot of Arab land Israel took since is stolen
> >and should be returned to their rightful owners.
>
> Nobody stole any land, but that's not the point. The point is
> that they got their(?) land back, yet they continue to fire
> hundreds of rockets at Israeli cities. Why?

SIMPLE! PALESTINE BELONGS TO PALESTINIANS NOT TO RUSSIANS, THEY WANT
THE ZIONAZI SCUM OUT



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    In his moving letter to the editor below, Israel Shahak underlines that 
almost all the administrative tasks and policing required by the Nazis was 
placed in Jewish hands, that Jewish collaborators were ubiquitous, and that 
it was Jewish collaborators who rendered the Jewish Holocaust feasible and 
who stood as obstacles in the path of Jewish resistance.  Note, 
particularly, that the children of the Warsaw ghetto were taught to fear the 
Jewish collaborator more than the Ukrainian collaborator:

      Falsification of the Holocaust

      Letter to the editor by Prof. Israel Shahak,
      published on 19 May 1989 in Kol Ha'ir, Jerusalem. Available online at:
      http://www.kaiwan.com/codoh/newsdesk/890519.HTML

           I disagree with the opinion of Haim Baram that the Israeli 
education system has managed to instil a "Holocaust awareness" in its pupils 
(Kol Ha'Ir 12.5.89).  It's not an awareness of the Holocaust but rather the 
myth of the Holocaust or even a falsification of the Holocaust (in the sense 
that "a half-truth is worse than a lie") which has been instilled here.
          As one who himself lived through the Holocaust, first in Warsaw 
then in Bergen-Belsen, I will give an immediate example of the total 
ignorance of daily life during the Holocaust.  In the Warsaw ghetto, even 
during the period of the first massive extermination (June to October 1943), 
one saw almost no German soldiers.  Nearly all the work of administration, 
and later the work of transporting hundreds of thousands of Jews to their 
deaths, was carried out by Jewish collaborators.  Before the outbreak of the 
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (the planning of which only started after the 
extermination of the majority of Jews in Warsaw), the Jewish underground 
killed, with perfect justification, every Jewish collaborator they could 
find.  If they had not done so the Uprising could never have started.  The 
majority of the population of the Ghetto hated the collaborators far more 
than the German Nazis.  Every Jewish child was taught, and this saved the 
lives of some of them "if you enter a square from which there are three 
exits, one guarded by a German SS man, one by an Ukrainian and one by a 
Jewish policeman, then you should first try to pass the German, and then 
maybe the Ukrainian, but never the Jew".
          One of my own strongest memories is that, when the Jewish 
underground killed a despicable collaborator close to my home at the end of 
February 1943, I danced and sang around the still bleeding corpse together 
with the other children.  I still do not regret this, quite the contrary.
          It is clear that such events were not exclusive to the Jews, the 
entire Nazi success in easy and continued rule over millions of people 
stemmed from the subtle and diabolical use of collaborators, who did most of 
the dirty work for them.  But does anybody now know about this?  This, and 
not what is "instilled" was the reality.  Of the Yad Vashem (official state 
Holocaust museum in Jerusalem - Ed.) theatre, I do not wish to speak at all. 
It, and its vile exploiting, such as honouring South Africa collaborators 
with the Nazis are truly beneath contempt.
          Therefore, if we knew a little of the truth about the Holocaust, 
we would at least understand (with or without agreeing) why the Palestinians 
are now eliminating their collaborators.  That is the only means they have 
if they wish to continue to struggle against our limb-breaking regime.

      Kind regards,

      [Israel Shahak]

Here is the story of one such Jewish collaborator:

          Moldetsky, a leader of the Zionist Workers Party (Poalei Zion), 
who was appointed head of the council of elders in Bedzin, and who, over the 
course of years, chose thousands of Jews for forced labor and extermination, 
succeeded in remaining alive.  For the mass deportations, Moldetsky 
published a decree which was completely fraudulent and deceiving, in which 
he said: "Jews, dress up in your holiday clothes and march joyfully to the 
gathering places mentioned above.  No one is to remain at home.  ..."  The 
Jews, in their innocence, obeyed him.  The result was that people with large 
families - as well as the elderly - a total of 8,000, were sent to 
Auschwitz.  The babies were pushed into sacks by the Nazis.
          ...
          After the war, Moldetsky - by merit of Zionist activities - was 
understandably one of the first to receive an immigration certificate to 
Palestine.  His collaboration in the murder of tens of thousands of Jews did 
not make him unfit in the eyes of the officials of the Jewish Agency, who 
were distributing the certificates.  He went to Eretz Yisroel where, it has 
been reported, the revengeful hand of the Jews of Bedzin killed him while he 
was taking a trip in the mountains.
      (Reb Moshe Shonfeld, The Holocaust Victims Accuse: Documents and 
Testimony on Jewish War Criminals, Neturei Karta of U.S.A., Brooklyn, 1977, 
pp. 122-123)

    The media make much of Ukrainians welcoming the invading Germans.  For 
example, on October 24, 1993, Morley Safer stated on the 60 Minutes story 
The Ugly Face of Freedom that "The same square [in Lviv, Ukraine] greeted 
Hitler's troops fifty years ago as liberators," making this seem like a 
symptom of a Ukrainian sympathy for Naziism.  What Mr. Safer did not specify 
is who were the people in that square who were welcoming Hitler's troops, 
and the truth was that all people - Ukrainians, Poles, and Jews - welcomed 
Hitler's troops.  Jews welcomed Hitler's troops?  Yes, so it would appear:






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FBI Turning Over Stones
With Israelis Underneath

      By Scott DaVault

      On November 10th, the New York Times reported that America was 
cracking down on terrorism by toughening policies for immigration from Arab 
countries, hinting that people entering from any of those countries are 
suspect in our government's eyes. The full list is: Afghanistan, Algeria, 
Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, 
Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, 
Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen. 
Oddly, although sixty Israelis have been taken into custody, it didn't make 
the list. Considering that the U.S. has stated that we are not involved in a 
"holy war" it is odd that we've been so lopsided with our immigration 
policy, especially since at least sixty Israelis have been detained in 
response to the September 11th attacks.

      The Israeli's are not Arabs pretending to be Jewish, as multiple 
stories have been printed in the Jerusalem Post demanding their release. 
What is known, is that most of them are in their early twenties, and fresh 
out of the Israeli military. Any speculation as to their possible 
involvement with Israel's Mossad would be relatively groundless, but the 
organizations they've been linked to in the U.S. are notorious for being 
both clandestine and harmful to our citizens.

      A Plantation, Florida police officer working closely with the FBI 
stated in a phone interview that at least five moving companies are 
currently under investigation. With nationwide allegations of incredible 
amounts of moving fraud and extortion by Israelis in the months before the 
September 11th attacks, it is no surprise that the government has taken 
interest. Unfortunately, the interest seems to be fleeting when faced with 
the lawyers and ambassadors that Israel has on its side. The young men from 
Urban Moving Systems who were detained after jumping up and down and 
laughing while taking pictures of the burning World Trade Center have 
already been deported, much to the chagrin of Rick Martin. Martin of 
Millennium Marketplace contracted New York-based Urban Moving Systems to 
move his company only to have lost everything but the company's name. All of 
his company's property, including its line of apparel and company records 
was last seen on an Urban Moving truck, and the FBI refuses to give him any 
information as to possible their whereabouts, according to the PRNewswire.

      Another detail that should not be overlooked is that over a dozen 
computer hard drives were removed from Urban Moving Systems, according to 
the Associated Press. Michael Maffucci, an owner of a New York-based 
independent moving company and a member of the Long Island Moving and 
Storage Association stated that it is highly unlikely that that many 
computers would be needed to keep track of a small fleet of trucks. It is 
obvious that they were not used to operate the company's website, which is 
still operational, though the phone numbers listed on it are not. It is a 
closed shop that the FBI is evading answering questions about.

      The questions about the moving companies which all appear to be under 
Israeli ownership are overshadowed, at the moment, by the questions of Bin 
Laden's whereabouts. It is understandable that the government would like to 
keep it that way. From collected written testimonials from defrauded 
customers and newspaper articles, a profile of the Israelis employed by the 
moving companies and another company, Quality Sales, Inc. has been 
established.

      The testimonials added to statements from currently detained Israelis 
do not paint a pretty picture. After completing their national duty of 
serving in Israeli's army, the young men and women tour the world. Some end 
up here in the U.S. where a network set up in Miami affords them apartments 
and jobs in moving companies during the warmer seasons. When the weather 
gets colder, and the Christmas season comes around, they are given different 
jobs America's malls selling products in temporary mall kiosks. This holiday 
season, the product of choice is the Zoom Copter, a flying toy that sells on 
the internet for approximately five dollars on Yahoo and some on-line hobby 
stores. Although the copters are available in three styles, the kiosks are 
only selling red and white copters, and green versions with "U.S. Army" 
printed on the side. The third style, a black helicopter, is not displayed 
at the malls.

      The Washington Post's November 22nd ran an article titled "60 Israelis 
on Tourist Visas Detained Since Sept. 11" that specifically states that 
employees of Quality Sales, Inc. in Toledo, Ohio and other Israelis in the 
U.S. have been detained in relation to our government's ongoing terrorism 
probe. Officials were tipped off to the existence of the foreigners by 
vigilant citizens who spied the suspicious characters living together in 
neighborhood apartment buildings. The Cleveland/Toledo detainees are, "the 
subject of an ongoing criminal investigation into an individual or company 
who had agreed to pay living and travel expenses", according to FBI agents 
quoted by the Washington Post.

      At the time the Washington Post article was written, all but two of 
the 11 employees of Quality Sales were released on bond. The remaining two 
are held in connection with the attacks, according to the Post. The Post 
also gives mention to David Leopold, a Toledo immigration lawyer 
representing the 11 Israelis and also Thomas Dean, the lawyer for Quality 
Sales in Miami. The Post fails to mention that Thomas Dean is also solely an 
immigration lawyer as evidenced by his website, american-immigration.com. 
Quality Sales, Inc. who lists it's Miami address as only a post office box 
across the street from Miami-Dade Community College, might soon be needing 
more than just immigration lawyers.

      At the time this article was written, Quality Sales was also misusing 
another Miami company's name by placing a laminated sign presenting the name 
"MAGIFF" on a Quality Sales mall cart in the Cincinnati area. Mario Vargas 
of Magiff Nails was surprised by this news, stating that his company 
specializes in men and women's beauty products and does not offer Zoom 
Copters in their line of products. Vargas added that Magiff used to have a 
kiosk in the Tri-County mall, but does not do business there any longer. 
Vargas' statement is in direct conflict with the employee of the kiosk who 
said that he was under the management of Magiff. An empty kiosk in another 
part of the same mall displayed the name Magiff in permanent lettering on 
the cart and backs up Vargas' claim.

      Last year, in the same mall, Quality Sales sold flying toys as well as 
operating another stand during the holidays that offered what appeared to be 
original paintings but were actually canvas transfers. In addition to 
selling the paintings in the malls, individual Israelis would visit 
businesses door-to-door selling the same paintings at over $200 apiece, a 
blatant rip-off of any buyers. Door-to-door Israeli art dealers of an 
identical nature were also spotted in the St. Louis area.

      What can be said for sure, at this time, is that these men all seem to 
be organized out of the Miami-area, and are involved in less than legitimate 
businesses. From the actions of the Israelis who were illegally employed by 
Urban Moving who joked while two of our tallest buildings burned, we can be 
sure that their sentiments toward Americans are often less than 
compassionate. The money and property stolen by the moving companies added 
to the large profits made from selling fake art could have easily funded the 
terrorism witnessed on September 11th.

      While we can be sure that the Israelis were all trained in the 
military, we do not know whether any of them have specific knowledge 
pertaining to flying aircraft or bomb-making. The FBI, it is known, is 
investigating these Israelis because, after seeing what has happened to two 
of the tallest buildings in the United States, we've learned that what we 
don't know can hurt us. The actual identity of Mohammed Atta may never be 
known, since the planes that tore into Manhattan surely disintegrated all 
passengers. Until details as to where the cash he used to pay for his 
Pontiac Firebird is discovered and made public, it is wisest to follow the 
lead of the Justice Department's spokesperson Dan Nelson and leave "no stone 
unturned".





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