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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews - Re: Holocaust Calendar: August 9
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On Aug 9, 2:35 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>
> 12-21-6  Excerpts only...
>
>  "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
> were Jewish.
>
> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
> responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
> surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
> collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
> executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>
> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
> intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
> who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
> Communist party itself.
>
> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
> 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
> of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
> orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
> people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
> After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
> executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
> 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> The article is significant because it appeared on a Jewish site and
> the author is Jewish. If you look up the site, you will see that the
> site and the author are attacked for being candid and truthful.
>
> I am not about to let the likes of McVay, a paid purveyor of Zionazi
> hate propaganda, get away with the portrayal of Jews as always the
> victims and never the perpetrators because it is not true. Just as
> there is an ugly side to the German and other Nazis, there is an ugly
> side to Jewish and other Communists. A balanced discussion considers
> all.
>
> On alt.revisionism, we are dealings with mostly Zionazis and we should
> not forget that most Jews are not like them. The author of this
> article appears to be a man of conscience who wants to cope with the
> ugly side of Jewish history. He will pay dearly for his candor because
> the Zionazis will make sure of it. Many Jews of conscience have
> irritated the Zionazis and the Zionazis list these people on their
> hate site.
>
> http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html
>
> This an ugly Zionazi hate site used to attack decent Jews. In spite of
> my revulsion with this Zionazi hate site it gives me hope to see that
> there are so many decent Jews that these Zionazis hate. Maybe there is
> a way for all decent people to look at history not as a weapon against
> others but as a learning experience for the future.
>
> Have a nice vegetarian day!

McVay is a pro Jewish puppet. But lets not forget that those Jewish
murderers who murdered my own family in Ukraine, have eventually found
a niche in the occupied Palestine ,and are doing same to Palestinians.
Tolia Sharansky, whose father was a political commissar for propaganda
in Ukraine is advising George Bush on how to exterminate both
Palestinians and muslims in general. Maoist PKK of "Kurdistan" was
originally started by the Jewish Communists, and continues to receive
support from them, in spite of the fact that Turkey is making peace
moves towards the ZioNazi state.



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 9, 11:21 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually Alex the coalition killed 30 of the terrorists and detained
> another 12

THEY KILLED 30 IRAQI PEOPLE, ONE MILLION IRAQIS TO DATE, WHICH IS
APPROXIMATELY THE NUMBER OF JEWS DEPORTED BY THE NAZIS DURING THE
WWII. NO PERSON DEFENDING HIS OWN LAND FROM OCCUPIERS IS A TERRORIST.
IF THAT WERE TRUE THAN RUSSIAN PARTIZANS WHO HEROICALLY FOUGHT THE
NAZIS DURING WWII, WERE TERRORISTS ALSO. WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF
RIDICULOUS I WOULD SAY! ONLY IDIOTS LIKE YOU WOULD CALL IRAQIS
"TERRORISTS", NOT EVEN GEORGE W. SHIT CALLS THEM THAT!



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 9, 2:01 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article <1186680167.826150.134...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Alex Seredin, aka Venceremos,
> the hatemonger of Delray Beach,   wrote:
>
> >On Aug 9, 11:21 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> >> Actually Alex the coalition killed 30 of the terrorists and detained
> >> another 12
> >THEY KILLED 30 IRAQI PEOPLE, ONE MILLION IRAQIS TO DATE, WHICH IS
> >APPROXIMATELY THE NUMBER OF JEWS DEPORTED BY THE NAZIS DURING THE
> >WWII. NO PERSON DEFENDING HIS OWN LAND FROM OCCUPIERS IS A TERRORIST.
> >IF THAT WERE TRUE THAN RUSSIAN PARTIZANS WHO HEROICALLY FOUGHT THE
> >NAZIS DURING WWII, WERE TERRORISTS ALSO. WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF
> >RIDICULOUS I WOULD SAY! ONLY IDIOTS LIKE YOU WOULD CALL IRAQIS
> >"TERRORISTS", NOT EVEN GEORGE W. SHIT CALLS THEM THAT!
>
> How have you determined that the terrorists killed were Iraqis, Mr. Seredin?
>
> http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-09-21/news/feature.html
>
THEY ARE NOT "TERRORISTS" YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED SHITHEAD! TERRORISTS
ARE THOSE WHO HAVE SLAUGHTERED 1 MILLION IRAQIS THUS FAR, THEY ARE
ARSEHOLES LIKE YOU AND GEORGE SHITHEAD BUSH. IT DOES NOT M,ATTER WHAT
NATIONALITY OF THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS IN IRAQ IS, AFTER ALL IT IS BUSH
WHO IS RECRUITING KILLERS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO GO AND KILL
IRAQIS FOR CASH.

Over 2,000 Ugandans joins Iraq gold rush


www.chinaview.cn 2007-08-09 17:59:56 Print

KAMPALA, Aug. 9 (Xinhua) - More Ugandans joined the Iraq gold rush for
better pay as another batch of 169 Ugandans has left for the war-torn
country as security guards early this week.

The batch left Uganda following a deal between Connect Financial
Services, a Ugandan firm and Triple Canopy, a U.S. firm. They will be
deployed in the Iraq capital Baghdad.

Connect financial managing director Kenneth Onekalit was quoted by
state-owned New Vision on Thursday saying that the contingent would be
in Iraq for one year.

"Their contract is for one year but they could be renewed," he said.

So far, over 2,000 Ugandans have been contracted to work as security
guards in Iraq.

Onekalit was, however, tight-lipped on how much each would earn per
month. The earlier group is earning about 1.6 million Ugandan
shillings (about 1,000 dollars) each per month.

He said those destined for Iraq will undergo military training before
embarking on their duties. "They need to learn how to handle certain
weapons. Our company was not involved in that."They would also
received training in rules of engagement, how to react to various
security threats and information about Iraq before their departure.

He said the guards had to be aged 21 and above and should have been
properly discharged from the army, prisons or the police."They were
vetted by the various security agencies in the country," he said.

Onekalit's firm has so far sent over 830 Ugandans to Iraq. About 500
more are undergoing training and will soon leave. Over the past two
years, Ugandans in Iraq have remitted about 2 million U.S. dollars to
Uganda.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-08/09/content_6502803.htm



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: The western world would be wise to recognize the realities of Islam, a religion laid down in writing over a millennium ago with violence and oppression at its heart.
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On Aug 9, 5:53 pm, aktivato...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> My View of Islam
>
> by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
>
> 05 Aug, 2007
>
> The western world would be wise to recognize the realities of Islam, a
> religion laid down in writing over a millennium ago with violence and
> oppression at its heart.

Islam has never oppressed the West, idiot. It is the Western Crusades
that have slaughtered at least five million muslims, destroyed
millions of homes and oppressed muslim lands for centuries, just like
the West is doing right now!  Iraq did not attack United States it is
the other way around.

THERE IS A BRIGHT SPOT IN ALL THIS. NO MATTER WHAT WEST DOES IT WILL
NEVER DESTROY ISLAM. THE MORE WEST OPPOSES ISLAM, THE MORE WESTERNERS
EMBRACE THE HOLY QURAN. YOU SHOULD, TOO!



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From:  Venceremos 
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 AND WHAT DOES TALMUD SAY ABOUT THE BIG BANG, BESIDES NOTHING!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: When Almighty Allah Does Not Know
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On Aug 9, 5:38 pm, aktivato...@googlemail.com wrote:
> When Almighty Allah Does Not Know
>
> by Imran Hossain
>
> 01 Jan, 2004
>
> [This write-up might be sensitive for mainstream Muslims. If you are
> one of them, please be advised to read it at your own risk.]
>
> When I was 16 about 6 years ago, I started thinking of Allah's book
> "Koran" and some sciences.  I am from a Muslim family that's how I
> know Islam.

YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!  YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM OR READ THE HOLY
QURAN YOU LYING SON OF A BITCH!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: The Sickness That Is Wahhabi Islam
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On Aug 9, 5:45 pm, aktivato...@googlemail.com wrote:
> The Sickness That Is Wahhabi Islam
>
I GUESS JIMMY JONES WAS A WAHHABI MUSLIM!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Shoe-bomber Richard Reid: Waiting List for Allah's Whorehouse
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On Aug 9, 5:48 pm, aktivato...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> Shoe-bomber Richard Reid: Waiting List for Allah's Whorehouse
>
> by Denis Schulz
>
> 07 Aug, 2007
> A hundred and ten years in the slammer? A breeze! He can do it
> standing on his head and it won't make him any dizzier than he was the
> day he boarded American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami on
> December 22, 2001, with enough explosives in his shoes to blow the
> Road Runner, Wile E. Coyote and Yosemite Sam to where the woodbine
> twineth. Fortunately for the 185 passengers and 12 crewmembers there
> were two short-circuits on board Flight 63 that day-the one between
> Richard Reid's ears and the one in his sneakers. Maybe if he had been
> wearing Buster Browns.

YOU MUST HAVE BEEN HIS PARTNER TO KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT HIM AND HIS SHOES



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:29 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 9, 5:50 pm, aktivato...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> A Bridge to "Moderate" Islam Is a Road to Hell
>
> by Amil Imani
>
> 08 Jul, 2007
> 'Islam is a religion of peace and the great majority of Muslims are
> not party to any plans and actions of the radicals'- so claim academic
> pundits, leftist journalists, and hired Islamic apologists. The
> incantation of these "authorities" is the lullaby that puts the people
> into a sleep of complacency.

SINCE MUSLIMS ARE PRIMARY VICTIMS OF THE GENOCIDE WHICH IS TAKING
PLACE, SURELY THEY CANNOT BE BLAMED FOR IT.



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On Aug 9, 9:55 am, oneeyewo...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 9 aug, 16:43, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > You are a very funny guy.
>
> Likewise.
>
> But we have something not_ in_common. I'm not here to boost my
> prejudices nor deny well proven facts. Nor making myself stupid.

You do not have to make yourself stupid, YOU ARE STUPID!



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On Aug 9, 8:40 pm, "Princeandy"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1186696384.329554.266340@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > My View of Islam
>
> > by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
>
> > 05 Aug, 2007
>
> > The western world would be wise to recognize the realities of Islam, a
> > religion laid down in writing over a millennium ago with violence and
> > oppression at its heart.
>
> > The undisputed definition of Islam by all her adherents is "submission
> > to the will of Allah." This divine will is outlined in the Koran and
> > in the teachings and deeds of Muhammad, as recorded in the Hadith or
> > Sunna.
>
> > While the Koran is considered to be the true, undiluted word of God
> > revealed to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel, the Sunna carry less
> > weight and have always been a cause for disagreement amongst Muslim
> > scholars. Theologians of Islam have, however, reached consensus on the
> > authority of a set of six volumes from the Sunna called the Sahih
> > Sita, or authentic six.
>
> Well it might be the mid east following these barbaric religions with
> radical zealots bent on following the teachings that have no application in
> this century.
>
> And for those who still defend the AshkeNAZIS (Jews of the German rite
> (aka Reich)) are not the Nazis of our time must read this article.
> I cannot wait for you to make excuses for this horrible atrocity that
> the AshkeNazia did to the poor and "undesirable Jew".
>
> The AshkeNAZI's  Fuhrer David Ben Gurion should be exhumed and his
> corpse scattered in a landfill where he belongs.  .
>
Agreed!The Western religions have their own zealots, seems the writer
of the above does not recognize. Some of the Western religious leaders
and their flock are crazier than those in the Middle East!



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On Aug 10, 6:29 am, "B'inyamin Cramer" 
wrote:
>  50 Sample Lies (answers and real data at
>  http://www.qumsiyeh.org/liesandtruths/)
>
>  * Arabs in Israel are treated equal. Variant, Israel is a Democracy.
>  * Arabs only understand the language of force.
>  * Barak Made a generous offer at Camp David, Arafat rejected it and
>  went back and started a bloody intifada.
>  * Ben Gurion (who became Israel's first Prime Minister) and Zionist
>  leadership before 1948 war had no intention to drive the native
>  Palestinians out.
>  * Boycotts and Divestment are immoral and anti-Semitic.
>  * Christians should support Israel because of the promised land/Bible
>  issues.
>  * Iran's President is a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying, Islamo-fascist
>  who stated he will "wipe Israel off the map".
>  * Islam is intent on taking over the world.
>  * Israel accidentally attacked the USS Liberty in International waters
>  because it was mistaken for an Egyptian ship.
>  * Israel Demolishes Homes for security.
>  * Israel does not torture Palestinian Prisoners in violation of the
>  Geneva Conventions.
>  * Israel is beneficial to US interests in the Middle East.
>  * Israel is not an apartheid state.
>  * Israel made the desert bloom/Palestine was destitute.
>  * Israel only imprisons those responsible for terrorism.
>  * Israel seeks peace with Syria.
>  * Israel takes great care not to harm civilians and never targets
>  them/Israeli army most ethical army.
>  * Israel was trying to save Arab Jews
>  * Israeli academics are generally liberals who support human rights.
>  * Israel has centrality in Jewish life manifest by the creed developed
>  and advocated by Zionists "Am Yisrael Chai" meaning the People of
>  Israel (=the Jews) live.
>  * Israel had a positive influence on world affairs.
>  * Land was purchased, Palestinians were not ethnically cleansed.
>  * Zionists teach peace and democracy, Palestinian Society teaches
>  hate.
>  * Jerusalem "reunification" let people be treated equal regardless of
>  religion/variant: Israel is not judaicizing Jerusalem/Freedom of
>  religion.
>  * Jews of Iraq and Arab Countries were persecuted and expelled.
>  * Jihad and Mujahideen refers to violence against
>  infidels/non-muslims.
>  * Media has been biased against Israel.
>  * Mohammed Al-Durra was killed by Palestinians or killed in
>  "cross-fire".
>  * Muslims cannot assimilate in Western countries.
>  * Palestine was a land without a people for a people without a land.
>  * Palestinians and other Arabs largely rejoiced after 9/11 attacks.
>  * Palestinians don't use nonviolent resistance but instead blow
>  themselves up with innocent civilians.
>  * Palestinians send their kids to be killed for propaganda purposes.
>  * Palestinians want/ed to drive Jews and Israel into the sea.
>  * Rachel Corrie was accidentally killed while protecting the house of
>  terrorist.
>  * The "security barrier" Israel is building si not a land grab and is
>  about Security.
>  * The 1967 war was a defensive war by Israel against enemies who
>  wanted to destroy it.
>  * The Deir Yassin Massacre (one of hundreds committed duing the ethnic
>  cleansing of 1947-1949) was committed by rogue elements and not
>  mainstream Zionists.
>  * The Interational Solidarity Movement support violence.
>  * The lies and distortions about the Lavon affair
>  * The massacre of Sabra and Shatila in 1982 in Lebanon was not the
>  responsibility of the Israelis.
>  * The people of the West Bank benefited from Israeli rule.
>  * The Road map is an international effort for peace in the Middle East
>  and Palestinians reject it.
>  * The US is an "honest broker".
>  * There was an Exchange of population, Jews came from Arab Countries
>  to Israel in exchange Arabs left Israel.
>  * Tiny Israel fended off large Arab armies in 1948.
>  * Zionism represent Jews or at least mainstream Judaism.
>  * Zionism was a response to anti-Semitism.
>  * Zionists believe in and allow free speech.
>  *Zionists did not push for the war on Iraq and the conflict with Iran
>  is also about US security not Zionist perceived self-interest

Only 50?



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On Aug 10, 6:37 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>  AND ONE SWEET JEWISH COCK IN YOUR MOUTH TAKE IT!

JEWISH WOMEN DO NOT SHARE THE MUSLIM COCK WITH ANYONE, AND HAVE BEEN
ENJOYING IT FOR AGES!



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What is wrong with fighting the occupiers of the land of Palestine? Nothing! 
People of Palestine will eventually sweep the streets of those who have 
tormented them for half a century!

 wrote in message 
news:1186743750.552052.12010@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> THE BEST PLACE FOR THIS PEOPLE IS THE CEMETERY!
>
> A would-be attacker was killed and ten others wounded after the man
> stole a weapon from a security guard in Jerusalem's Old City on Friday
> morning.
>
> In the ensuing confrontation, another guard exchanged fire with man,
> and in the process wounded two people moderately and seven lightly.
>
> The incident took place in the Old City's Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in
> the Christian Quarter.
>
> The incident took place on Hanotzrim Street, near Jaffa Gate. The
> attacker, who lives in the area, was walking with a friend when he
> attacked the guard, succeeded in taking his gun. He then shot the
> guard, hitting him in his shoulder and moderately wounded him.
>
> The attacker then escaped from the scene, running down Avtimos Street.
> Another guard ran after the man, and eight bystanders were wounded
> from ricochets in a gunfight during the chase.
>
> A witness told Israel Radio that the guard continued shooting even
> after it was clear that the man had been killed, causing additional
> injuries.
>
> Security sources said the attacker was approximately 20 years old, and
> carried no identification. Police and Shin Bet security services are
> attempting to locate his family.
>
> Magen David Adom rescue services head, Eli Bin, said after the
> shooting that rescue teams were at the scene treating the wounded and
> evacuating them to Jerusalem hospitals.
>
> Following the incident, police raised the alert level ahead of Friday
> prayers in the Old City.
> 




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IDF Intel: Syria May Launch Missile Attack Soon


(IsraelNN.com) Contrary to the official Military Intelligence line, 
according to which Syria does not intend to attack Israel in the near 
future, many researchers in the intelligence community suspect that Syria is 
waiting for the right moment to strike, and that the moment may come soon. 
This is the reason that Israel's Home Front Readiness Cabinet met Wednesday 
to discuss the possibility of a massive Syrian missile attack, according to 
Ynet's veteran military analyst, Ron Ben-Yishai.

Ben-Yishai says Syria is completing the construction of a large rocket array 
aimed at Israel from the Syrian Golan Heights. These are not Katyusha 
rockets but larger ones with a much greater range: 222 mm., 302 mm. and 600 
mm. rockets with a payload of up to half a ton, which can reach Tel Aviv. 
Dozens of launchers have already been set up and these are capable of firing 
hundreds of missiles simultaneously.

Syria also has SCUD missiles which can reach southern Israel, but these can 
supposedly be intercepted by the Israeli Arrow anti-missile system. The 
heavy missiles in the Golan cannot be intercepted by the Arrow, however. 
According to Ben-Yishai, all this means that the Syrians can launch a 
massive attack on Israel's home front without Israel having any advance 
warning of the attack.




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 wrote in message 
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> On 10 Aug, 12:11, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 6:37 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> >  AND ONE SWEET JEWISH COCK IN YOUR MOUTH TAKE IT!
>>
>> JEWISH WOMEN DO NOT SHARE THE MUSLIM COCK WITH ANYONE, AND HAVE BEEN
>> ENJOYING IT FOR AGES!

QUEER JEWS, DO NOT KNOW HOW TO GIVE A WOMAN ENJOYMENT! 




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 'You have no future in this country'
By Daniel Ben Simon

At the height of the fury and the humiliation, the children of Hebron
wandered around among the men in uniform, trying to figure out who was
Jewish and who was not - who is from "our" seed, and who is from the
seed of Amalek. At a time when most Israeli children were spending
their summer vacation at day camps and on trips, splashing in the sea
and in swimming pools, the children of the Hebron day camp looked as
though they lived on another planet. Glowering with hatred, with huge
skullcaps and long curly earlocks, children age 10 and younger walked
among the men in uniform and examined their dog tags.

Anyone whose non-Jewishness was discovered received the appropriate
treatment: The wild, bleary-eyed little ones mercilessly hurled curses
and insults at them. They are mere children and already experts in
racial theory. Every possible epithet was hurled at the soldiers, but
they, perhaps on orders from above, were silent as though catatonic.
Their faces showed no emotion.

The children of Hebron are very reminiscent of the children at the
summer camps of Jesus - those who live in America's Bible Belt, who
have been poisoned by religious ideology and have become the spearhead
of Christian fundamentalism.

"If someone comes to kill you, kill him first!" shouted one of the
children at a Border Policeman with a non-Jewish name [both Russian
and Ethiopian immigrants and Druze were among the security units
present], moments after the evacuation of the families from the market
began on Tuesday. The youngster brought his face close to that of the
soldier until they were almost touching. "It says in the Torah that I
have to kill you. You are from the seed of Amalek ... You are a goy
[gentile] and you are not allowed to tread on this holy ground. Get
out of here, you and your friends!"

A "Jewish" soldier tries to calm down the rebellious child, and in
response is treated to a barrage of curses: "You're not Jewish at all.
You're a Nazi. We'll kill you and all the Nazis who are here." Other
children, dripping with hatred, surround the group of soldiers and
observe them with amusement, as in a zoo. Their mothers sit on the
side and observe their glorious progeny, barely concealing their
enjoyment.

Several meters away, a woman named Anat Cohen is trying to disrupt the
evacuation of one of the houses. Emaciated, barefoot, wearing a head-
covering, she mercilessly curses the soldiers. While she is still
shouting, salvos are heard nearby: The Palestinians in the city are
celebrating the end of the matriculation exams and are firing in joy.
The Jews are convinced that these shots represent Schadenfreude, and
Cohen becomes hysterical: "Get up, dogs!" she shouts at dozens of
security personnel. "Get up! They're firing in your honor so stand up
in their honor. The Arab enemy is firing salvos in your honor, for
what you are doing to the Jews."

A father and son, ultra-Orthodox Jews from New York, look at the
destroyed shops and their hearts fill with sadness. They speak Yiddish
to each other; the son, Shmuel Landau, photographs the soldiers who
are sprawled in every shady corner. Now it is 10 A.M. and the
evacuation has been completed. The soldiers from the Home Front
Command are sawing and dismantling and sealing up every possible
opening in order to prevent the evacuees from settling in again.

Shmuel plans to show the pictures to his friends from the Amshinov
Hasidic sect in the United States, which numbers only a few hundred
followers in Israel. "They aren't Jews," he says, pointing at the
hundreds of men in uniform. "We are the real Jews." His father nods in
agreement: "You're asking about the soldiers, so I'll tell you. They
aren't Jews. Look at them, they're Russians, Ethiopians and Druze. And
even those who call themselves Jews are not Jews. They're Zionists and
leftists."

"Israel's big problem is Zionism," continues Shmuel. "It severed the
Jews from the Torah and from Jewish values. You have no future in this
country. In the end you'll all leave and only we will remain here."

"Israeli" is a dirty word in this hate-crazed enclave in Hebron. Not
one of the hundreds of residents here defines himself as such, as
though Israel were a penal colony. Even after the state has showered
them with protection, resources, assistance and even sympathy, these
people consider Israel to be a foreign government. Israeli sovereignty
has replaced the sovereignty of halakha (Jewish law) and in that way
has decreed for itself the status of an enemy in every respect.

Except for the presence of the soldiers, there is no sign here of
Israeliness, everything is Jewish: the street names, the hateful
slogans painted on the shops of the Palestinians, the long beards, the
skullcaps. There is dirt in every corner and the Hebrew spoken here is
poor as well. There are no secular books and no Israeli culture here.
Most of the children have never set foot on the soil of Israel per se,
and most of the adults have been there only rarely, mainly for medical
treatments, family celebrations and consolation visits to mourners.

"I have nothing to talk to you about, you are not my nation and you
are not part of my nation," declared one of the veteran residents of
Hebron's Jewish Quarter, who wished to remain anonymous. "You are my
enemies and I pray for the day when we will get our revenge for what
you did to us in Gush Katif and what you're doing to us in Hebron. I
hate you more than the Arabs. You will pay forever for what you did."
He is 53 and a father of eight. On the day of the evacuation this
week, he got up early and reported to the battlefield with his
children.

"We didn't go all the way with you because we decided to wage a
passive war," he said. "We are leaving the major war for the end. You
have no future in this country, so tell your friends to make use of
the time still left to them. We will be victorious with the bellies of
our women."

Crisis of faith

The disengagement from Gush Katif gave rise to a crisis of faith of a
kind that the settlers have not experienced since the 1967 Six-Day
War. Even in their worst nightmares they didn't imagine that the
government would go all the way and uproot Jews from the "holy" ground
of Gaza. For years they became accustomed, or to be more precise were
allowed to become accustomed, to dictating to the government how to
behave. Suddenly former prime minister Ariel Sharon came onto the
scene and changed the modus operandi. Even at the height of the crisis
they followed the words of the rabbis, who declared "It will never
happen," believing that in the last moment a miracle would occur and
prevent the decree. Since the disengagement many settlers have severed
themselves from the outside world. The shock of the uprooting is a
still-oozing scar.

Already during the first attempt to go up to the evacuated West Bank
settlement of Homesh, about half a year ago, the weakness of the
government vis-a-vis the rabbis' determination became evident. One
thread, as strong as steel, links the evacuation of Amona to the
ascent to Homesh, to the attempt to return to the destroyed Gush Katif
settlements and to the events of Hebron: a determination to erase the
disgrace of the disengagement from the settlers' consciousness. They
will never again evacuate willingly, they will never again go like
sheep to the slaughter. In light of this, the hatred for the state and
its institutions has increased, and the status of the fundamentalist
rabbis, many of them members of the rabbinical council of Yesha (Judea
and Samaria), has been strengthened even further.

Two years after the evacuation from Gush Katif the government is
facing an internal threat with strategic implications for its future
image. This is a fateful moment in the tense coexistence between those
who favor secular values and those who cherish halakha. It is not
clear whether hundreds of thousands of skullcap-wearers will continue
to see themselves as part of the state if a peace accord is reached
that will require a major evacuation of West Bank land.

In such a case the army, which is a reflection of the society in which
it lives, will posit an existential dilemma between those who favor
the sovereignty of the state and those who favor the sovereignty of
the halakha. For the first time since the territories were annexed to
the State of Israel in the Six-Day War, it seems that Israel will not
be able to avoid this expected confrontation. The first signs were
seen this week during the evacuation of Hebron, when dozens of
soldiers preferred the halakhic decision of rabbis to orders from
their commanders.


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 'You have no future in this country'
By Daniel Ben Simon

At the height of the fury and the humiliation, the children of Hebron
wandered around among the men in uniform, trying to figure out who was
Jewish and who was not - who is from "our" seed, and who is from the
seed of Amalek. At a time when most Israeli children were spending
their summer vacation at day camps and on trips, splashing in the sea
and in swimming pools, the children of the Hebron day camp looked as
though they lived on another planet. Glowering with hatred, with huge
skullcaps and long curly earlocks, children age 10 and younger walked
among the men in uniform and examined their dog tags.

Anyone whose non-Jewishness was discovered received the appropriate
treatment: The wild, bleary-eyed little ones mercilessly hurled curses
and insults at them. They are mere children and already experts in
racial theory. Every possible epithet was hurled at the soldiers, but
they, perhaps on orders from above, were silent as though catatonic.
Their faces showed no emotion.

The children of Hebron are very reminiscent of the children at the
summer camps of Jesus - those who live in America's Bible Belt, who
have been poisoned by religious ideology and have become the spearhead
of Christian fundamentalism.

"If someone comes to kill you, kill him first!" shouted one of the
children at a Border Policeman with a non-Jewish name [both Russian
and Ethiopian immigrants and Druze were among the security units
present], moments after the evacuation of the families from the market
began on Tuesday. The youngster brought his face close to that of the
soldier until they were almost touching. "It says in the Torah that I
have to kill you. You are from the seed of Amalek ... You are a goy
[gentile] and you are not allowed to tread on this holy ground. Get
out of here, you and your friends!"

A "Jewish" soldier tries to calm down the rebellious child, and in
response is treated to a barrage of curses: "You're not Jewish at all.
You're a Nazi. We'll kill you and all the Nazis who are here." Other
children, dripping with hatred, surround the group of soldiers and
observe them with amusement, as in a zoo. Their mothers sit on the
side and observe their glorious progeny, barely concealing their
enjoyment.

Several meters away, a woman named Anat Cohen is trying to disrupt the
evacuation of one of the houses. Emaciated, barefoot, wearing a head-
covering, she mercilessly curses the soldiers. While she is still
shouting, salvos are heard nearby: The Palestinians in the city are
celebrating the end of the matriculation exams and are firing in joy.
The Jews are convinced that these shots represent Schadenfreude, and
Cohen becomes hysterical: "Get up, dogs!" she shouts at dozens of
security personnel. "Get up! They're firing in your honor so stand up
in their honor. The Arab enemy is firing salvos in your honor, for
what you are doing to the Jews."

A father and son, ultra-Orthodox Jews from New York, look at the
destroyed shops and their hearts fill with sadness. They speak Yiddish
to each other; the son, Shmuel Landau, photographs the soldiers who
are sprawled in every shady corner. Now it is 10 A.M. and the
evacuation has been completed. The soldiers from the Home Front
Command are sawing and dismantling and sealing up every possible
opening in order to prevent the evacuees from settling in again.

Shmuel plans to show the pictures to his friends from the Amshinov
Hasidic sect in the United States, which numbers only a few hundred
followers in Israel. "They aren't Jews," he says, pointing at the
hundreds of men in uniform. "We are the real Jews." His father nods in
agreement: "You're asking about the soldiers, so I'll tell you. They
aren't Jews. Look at them, they're Russians, Ethiopians and Druze. And
even those who call themselves Jews are not Jews. They're Zionists and
leftists."

"Israel's big problem is Zionism," continues Shmuel. "It severed the
Jews from the Torah and from Jewish values. You have no future in this
country. In the end you'll all leave and only we will remain here."

"Israeli" is a dirty word in this hate-crazed enclave in Hebron. Not
one of the hundreds of residents here defines himself as such, as
though Israel were a penal colony. Even after the state has showered
them with protection, resources, assistance and even sympathy, these
people consider Israel to be a foreign government. Israeli sovereignty
has replaced the sovereignty of halakha (Jewish law) and in that way
has decreed for itself the status of an enemy in every respect.

Except for the presence of the soldiers, there is no sign here of
Israeliness, everything is Jewish: the street names, the hateful
slogans painted on the shops of the Palestinians, the long beards, the
skullcaps. There is dirt in every corner and the Hebrew spoken here is
poor as well. There are no secular books and no Israeli culture here.
Most of the children have never set foot on the soil of Israel per se,
and most of the adults have been there only rarely, mainly for medical
treatments, family celebrations and consolation visits to mourners.

"I have nothing to talk to you about, you are not my nation and you
are not part of my nation," declared one of the veteran residents of
Hebron's Jewish Quarter, who wished to remain anonymous. "You are my
enemies and I pray for the day when we will get our revenge for what
you did to us in Gush Katif and what you're doing to us in Hebron. I
hate you more than the Arabs. You will pay forever for what you did."
He is 53 and a father of eight. On the day of the evacuation this
week, he got up early and reported to the battlefield with his
children.

"We didn't go all the way with you because we decided to wage a
passive war," he said. "We are leaving the major war for the end. You
have no future in this country, so tell your friends to make use of
the time still left to them. We will be victorious with the bellies of
our women."

Crisis of faith

The disengagement from Gush Katif gave rise to a crisis of faith of a
kind that the settlers have not experienced since the 1967 Six-Day
War. Even in their worst nightmares they didn't imagine that the
government would go all the way and uproot Jews from the "holy" ground
of Gaza. For years they became accustomed, or to be more precise were
allowed to become accustomed, to dictating to the government how to
behave. Suddenly former prime minister Ariel Sharon came onto the
scene and changed the modus operandi. Even at the height of the crisis
they followed the words of the rabbis, who declared "It will never
happen," believing that in the last moment a miracle would occur and
prevent the decree. Since the disengagement many settlers have severed
themselves from the outside world. The shock of the uprooting is a
still-oozing scar.

Already during the first attempt to go up to the evacuated West Bank
settlement of Homesh, about half a year ago, the weakness of the
government vis-a-vis the rabbis' determination became evident. One
thread, as strong as steel, links the evacuation of Amona to the
ascent to Homesh, to the attempt to return to the destroyed Gush Katif
settlements and to the events of Hebron: a determination to erase the
disgrace of the disengagement from the settlers' consciousness. They
will never again evacuate willingly, they will never again go like
sheep to the slaughter. In light of this, the hatred for the state and
its institutions has increased, and the status of the fundamentalist
rabbis, many of them members of the rabbinical council of Yesha (Judea
and Samaria), has been strengthened even further.

Two years after the evacuation from Gush Katif the government is
facing an internal threat with strategic implications for its future
image. This is a fateful moment in the tense coexistence between those
who favor secular values and those who cherish halakha. It is not
clear whether hundreds of thousands of skullcap-wearers will continue
to see themselves as part of the state if a peace accord is reached
that will require a major evacuation of West Bank land.

In such a case the army, which is a reflection of the society in which
it lives, will posit an existential dilemma between those who favor
the sovereignty of the state and those who favor the sovereignty of
the halakha. For the first time since the territories were annexed to
the State of Israel in the Six-Day War, it seems that Israel will not
be able to avoid this expected confrontation. The first signs were
seen this week during the evacuation of Hebron, when dozens of
soldiers preferred the halakhic decision of rabbis to orders from
their commanders.


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> On Aug 9, 10:29 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 6:05 am, Ken McVay  wrote:
>>
>> > [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> 
>>
>> Have a nice zionazi day!
>
>
> I don't see any substance? 4 word count.

You want substance, here it is straight from Haaretz

'You have no future in this country'
By Daniel Ben Simon

At the height of the fury and the humiliation, the children of Hebron
wandered around among the men in uniform, trying to figure out who was
Jewish and who was not - who is from "our" seed, and who is from the
seed of Amalek. At a time when most Israeli children were spending
their summer vacation at day camps and on trips, splashing in the sea
and in swimming pools, the children of the Hebron day camp looked as
though they lived on another planet. Glowering with hatred, with huge
skullcaps and long curly earlocks, children age 10 and younger walked
among the men in uniform and examined their dog tags.

Anyone whose non-Jewishness was discovered received the appropriate
treatment: The wild, bleary-eyed little ones mercilessly hurled curses
and insults at them. They are mere children and already experts in
racial theory. Every possible epithet was hurled at the soldiers, but
they, perhaps on orders from above, were silent as though catatonic.
Their faces showed no emotion.

The children of Hebron are very reminiscent of the children at the
summer camps of Jesus - those who live in America's Bible Belt, who
have been poisoned by religious ideology and have become the spearhead
of Christian fundamentalism.

"If someone comes to kill you, kill him first!" shouted one of the
children at a Border Policeman with a non-Jewish name [both Russian
and Ethiopian immigrants and Druze were among the security units
present], moments after the evacuation of the families from the market
began on Tuesday. The youngster brought his face close to that of the
soldier until they were almost touching. "It says in the Torah that I
have to kill you. You are from the seed of Amalek ... You are a goy
[gentile] and you are not allowed to tread on this holy ground. Get
out of here, you and your friends!"

A "Jewish" soldier tries to calm down the rebellious child, and in
response is treated to a barrage of curses: "You're not Jewish at all.
You're a Nazi. We'll kill you and all the Nazis who are here." Other
children, dripping with hatred, surround the group of soldiers and
observe them with amusement, as in a zoo. Their mothers sit on the
side and observe their glorious progeny, barely concealing their
enjoyment.

Several meters away, a woman named Anat Cohen is trying to disrupt the
evacuation of one of the houses. Emaciated, barefoot, wearing a head-
covering, she mercilessly curses the soldiers. While she is still
shouting, salvos are heard nearby: The Palestinians in the city are
celebrating the end of the matriculation exams and are firing in joy.
The Jews are convinced that these shots represent Schadenfreude, and
Cohen becomes hysterical: "Get up, dogs!" she shouts at dozens of
security personnel. "Get up! They're firing in your honor so stand up
in their honor. The Arab enemy is firing salvos in your honor, for
what you are doing to the Jews."

A father and son, ultra-Orthodox Jews from New York, look at the
destroyed shops and their hearts fill with sadness. They speak Yiddish
to each other; the son, Shmuel Landau, photographs the soldiers who
are sprawled in every shady corner. Now it is 10 A.M. and the
evacuation has been completed. The soldiers from the Home Front
Command are sawing and dismantling and sealing up every possible
opening in order to prevent the evacuees from settling in again.

Shmuel plans to show the pictures to his friends from the Amshinov
Hasidic sect in the United States, which numbers only a few hundred
followers in Israel. "They aren't Jews," he says, pointing at the
hundreds of men in uniform. "We are the real Jews." His father nods in
agreement: "You're asking about the soldiers, so I'll tell you. They
aren't Jews. Look at them, they're Russians, Ethiopians and Druze. And
even those who call themselves Jews are not Jews. They're Zionists and
leftists."

"Israel's big problem is Zionism," continues Shmuel. "It severed the
Jews from the Torah and from Jewish values. You have no future in this
country. In the end you'll all leave and only we will remain here."

"Israeli" is a dirty word in this hate-crazed enclave in Hebron. Not
one of the hundreds of residents here defines himself as such, as
though Israel were a penal colony. Even after the state has showered
them with protection, resources, assistance and even sympathy, these
people consider Israel to be a foreign government. Israeli sovereignty
has replaced the sovereignty of halakha (Jewish law) and in that way
has decreed for itself the status of an enemy in every respect.

Except for the presence of the soldiers, there is no sign here of
Israeliness, everything is Jewish: the street names, the hateful
slogans painted on the shops of the Palestinians, the long beards, the
skullcaps. There is dirt in every corner and the Hebrew spoken here is
poor as well. There are no secular books and no Israeli culture here.
Most of the children have never set foot on the soil of Israel per se,
and most of the adults have been there only rarely, mainly for medical
treatments, family celebrations and consolation visits to mourners.

"I have nothing to talk to you about, you are not my nation and you
are not part of my nation," declared one of the veteran residents of
Hebron's Jewish Quarter, who wished to remain anonymous. "You are my
enemies and I pray for the day when we will get our revenge for what
you did to us in Gush Katif and what you're doing to us in Hebron. I
hate you more than the Arabs. You will pay forever for what you did."
He is 53 and a father of eight. On the day of the evacuation this
week, he got up early and reported to the battlefield with his
children.

"We didn't go all the way with you because we decided to wage a
passive war," he said. "We are leaving the major war for the end. You
have no future in this country, so tell your friends to make use of
the time still left to them. We will be victorious with the bellies of
our women."

Crisis of faith

The disengagement from Gush Katif gave rise to a crisis of faith of a
kind that the settlers have not experienced since the 1967 Six-Day
War. Even in their worst nightmares they didn't imagine that the
government would go all the way and uproot Jews from the "holy" ground
of Gaza. For years they became accustomed, or to be more precise were
allowed to become accustomed, to dictating to the government how to
behave. Suddenly former prime minister Ariel Sharon came onto the
scene and changed the modus operandi. Even at the height of the crisis
they followed the words of the rabbis, who declared "It will never
happen," believing that in the last moment a miracle would occur and
prevent the decree. Since the disengagement many settlers have severed
themselves from the outside world. The shock of the uprooting is a
still-oozing scar.

Already during the first attempt to go up to the evacuated West Bank
settlement of Homesh, about half a year ago, the weakness of the
government vis-a-vis the rabbis' determination became evident. One
thread, as strong as steel, links the evacuation of Amona to the
ascent to Homesh, to the attempt to return to the destroyed Gush Katif
settlements and to the events of Hebron: a determination to erase the
disgrace of the disengagement from the settlers' consciousness. They
will never again evacuate willingly, they will never again go like
sheep to the slaughter. In light of this, the hatred for the state and
its institutions has increased, and the status of the fundamentalist
rabbis, many of them members of the rabbinical council of Yesha (Judea
and Samaria), has been strengthened even further.

Two years after the evacuation from Gush Katif the government is
facing an internal threat with strategic implications for its future
image. This is a fateful moment in the tense coexistence between those
who favor secular values and those who cherish halakha. It is not
clear whether hundreds of thousands of skullcap-wearers will continue
to see themselves as part of the state if a peace accord is reached
that will require a major evacuation of West Bank land.

In such a case the army, which is a reflection of the society in which
it lives, will posit an existential dilemma between those who favor
the sovereignty of the state and those who favor the sovereignty of
the halakha. For the first time since the territories were annexed to
the State of Israel in the Six-Day War, it seems that Israel will not
be able to avoid this expected confrontation. The first signs were
seen this week during the evacuation of Hebron, when dozens of
soldiers preferred the halakhic decision of rabbis to orders from
their commanders.


--
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"Gordon"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:04:55 -0700, colp 
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 10, 1:04 pm, "seon ferguson"  wro
>>
>>> Lol 10 points for causing a outburst like this.
>>> The Koran only makes good toilet paper.
>>
>>Without the Qur'an you would have a hard time getting the truth about
>>the crucifixion.
>>
> Huh??? Numerous contemporaries of Jesus documented their insights
> on Jesus' life, His crucifixion and resurrection, within a few
> years of the event. All these writings by different people are in
> reasonably close agreement.
>
> It is believed that Muhammad was illiterate, and couldn't
> document any of his teachings, and It seems he had no literate
> associates who documented anything about him. Or, were all their
> writings collected and destroyed by those first caliphs, who
> wanted things structured a bit differently?
>
> The earliest written information on Muhammad's life and religious
> teachings was compiled some 135 years after his death,

You are to stupid to even cosider worthy of the comment. The oldest Holy 
Quran copy is found in Bokhara's main mosque and some of it was written 
during the life of the Prophet Mohammed.

Muslims have taught West many things including the writing, printing and 
paper makings.Without the astrolabe  invented by muslims who also navigated 
the Columbus voyage, you would be living on an Irish pig farm! 




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"Gordon"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:04:48 +1000, "seon ferguson"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Venceremos"  wrote in message
>>news:1186699893.784284.250210@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Aug 9, 5:38 pm, aktivato...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>>> When Almighty Allah Does Not Know
>>>>
>>>> by Imran Hossain
>>>>
>>>> 01 Jan, 2004
>>>>
>>>> [This write-up might be sensitive for mainstream Muslims. If you are
>>>> one of them, please be advised to read it at your own risk.]
>>>>
>>>> When I was 16 about 6 years ago, I started thinking of Allah's book
>>>> "Koran" and some sciences.  I am from a Muslim family that's how I
>>>> know Islam.
>>>
>>> YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!  YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM OR READ THE HOLY
>>> QURAN YOU LYING SON OF A BITCH!
>>>
>>Lol 10 points for causing a outburst like this.
>>The Koran only makes good toilet paper.
>>
> On this topic...Muslims are supposed to face away from Mecca when
> they squat and drop it

That is because they "drop it" straight into your filthy trap! 




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 Flat Earth Society of these United States numbers several thousand members 
today in 2007 




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"Ed"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message 
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>> On Aug 7, 5:15 pm, "Ed"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1186470166.682059.198910@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Aug 3, 7:17 pm, "Ed"  wrote:
>>> >>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> >>news:1186178973.875739.290890@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> > On Aug 3, 11:58 am, "L Alpert"  wrote:
>>> >> >> Don Ocean wrote:
>>> >> >> > Ed wrote:
>>> >> >> >> "DoD"  wrote in message
>>> >> >> >>news:wlpsi.63$Qr.52@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>> >> >> >>> A new government study is being condemned by the Christian
>>> >> >> >>> ministry
>>> >> >> >>> the Barnabas Fund because its proposals would move closer to
>>> >> >> >>> imposing Islam in the United Kingdom as "a religion of state."
>>>
>>> >> >> >> It won't be long before the "religion of state" becomes the 
>>> >> >> >> state
>>> >> >> >> religion. What are those idiots think they're doing?  Sounds 
>>> >> >> >> like
>>> >> >> >> mass
>>> >> >> >> suicide
>>> >> >> >> to me.
>>>
>>> >> >> > Your just pissed that you Jews didn't pull that scam off first.
>>>
>>> >> >> FFS, we already run most of the free world's political, 
>>> >> >> educational
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> economic systems.  We don't have to pull off anything.
>>>
>>> >> >  If I rere you I'd be very careful with that tongue in the cheek
>>> >> >  remark.  I am aware that  like to use sarcasm and hope
>>> >> > it will shock people.  However, the German people were
>>> >> > not so amused 70 years ago and history has a way of
>>> >> > repeating itself.
>>>
>>> >> Oh, and how the thought of that is making Boedie absolutely WET!!
>>>
>>> >> >  "Free world".  What "free world" is that?
>>>
>>> >> The one we live in, and the one you and your ilk wishes to destroy.-
>>>
>>> >  It is *your* race that is responsible for communism/bolshevism
>>> > on the planet. It is *your* race that financed the Bolshevik
>>> > Revolution not mine.
>>>
>>> You are a fucking liar.
>>
>>
>>  The whole world knows who was responsible for Bolshevism in
>> Russia and who murdered The Tsar and his fmaily.  It
>> is a fact of history.
>
> The Bolsheviks, which has nothing to do with Jews or Judaism.

YES IT DOES! OUT OF 3,500 MEMBERS WHO ATTENDED THE FIRST SESSION OF THE 
BOLSHEVIK PARTY IN ST.PETERSBURG IN 1917, 3,000 WERE JEWS! 




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 'You have no future in this country'
By Daniel Ben Simon

At the height of the fury and the humiliation, the children of Hebron
wandered around among the men in uniform, trying to figure out who was
Jewish and who was not - who is from "our" seed, and who is from the
seed of Amalek. At a time when most Israeli children were spending
their summer vacation at day camps and on trips, splashing in the sea
and in swimming pools, the children of the Hebron day camp looked as
though they lived on another planet. Glowering with hatred, with huge
skullcaps and long curly earlocks, children age 10 and younger walked
among the men in uniform and examined their dog tags.

Anyone whose non-Jewishness was discovered received the appropriate
treatment: The wild, bleary-eyed little ones mercilessly hurled curses
and insults at them. They are mere children and already experts in
racial theory. Every possible epithet was hurled at the soldiers, but
they, perhaps on orders from above, were silent as though catatonic.
Their faces showed no emotion.

The children of Hebron are very reminiscent of the children at the
summer camps of Jesus - those who live in America's Bible Belt, who
have been poisoned by religious ideology and have become the spearhead
of Christian fundamentalism.

"If someone comes to kill you, kill him first!" shouted one of the
children at a Border Policeman with a non-Jewish name [both Russian
and Ethiopian immigrants and Druze were among the security units
present], moments after the evacuation of the families from the market
began on Tuesday. The youngster brought his face close to that of the
soldier until they were almost touching. "It says in the Torah that I
have to kill you. You are from the seed of Amalek ... You are a goy
[gentile] and you are not allowed to tread on this holy ground. Get
out of here, you and your friends!"

A "Jewish" soldier tries to calm down the rebellious child, and in
response is treated to a barrage of curses: "You're not Jewish at all.
You're a Nazi. We'll kill you and all the Nazis who are here." Other
children, dripping with hatred, surround the group of soldiers and
observe them with amusement, as in a zoo. Their mothers sit on the
side and observe their glorious progeny, barely concealing their
enjoyment.

Several meters away, a woman named Anat Cohen is trying to disrupt the
evacuation of one of the houses. Emaciated, barefoot, wearing a head-
covering, she mercilessly curses the soldiers. While she is still
shouting, salvos are heard nearby: The Palestinians in the city are
celebrating the end of the matriculation exams and are firing in joy.
The Jews are convinced that these shots represent Schadenfreude, and
Cohen becomes hysterical: "Get up, dogs!" she shouts at dozens of
security personnel. "Get up! They're firing in your honor so stand up
in their honor. The Arab enemy is firing salvos in your honor, for
what you are doing to the Jews."

A father and son, ultra-Orthodox Jews from New York, look at the
destroyed shops and their hearts fill with sadness. They speak Yiddish
to each other; the son, Shmuel Landau, photographs the soldiers who
are sprawled in every shady corner. Now it is 10 A.M. and the
evacuation has been completed. The soldiers from the Home Front
Command are sawing and dismantling and sealing up every possible
opening in order to prevent the evacuees from settling in again.

Shmuel plans to show the pictures to his friends from the Amshinov
Hasidic sect in the United States, which numbers only a few hundred
followers in Israel. "They aren't Jews," he says, pointing at the
hundreds of men in uniform. "We are the real Jews." His father nods in
agreement: "You're asking about the soldiers, so I'll tell you. They
aren't Jews. Look at them, they're Russians, Ethiopians and Druze. And
even those who call themselves Jews are not Jews. They're Zionists and
leftists."

"Israel's big problem is Zionism," continues Shmuel. "It severed the
Jews from the Torah and from Jewish values. You have no future in this
country. In the end you'll all leave and only we will remain here."

"Israeli" is a dirty word in this hate-crazed enclave in Hebron. Not
one of the hundreds of residents here defines himself as such, as
though Israel were a penal colony. Even after the state has showered
them with protection, resources, assistance and even sympathy, these
people consider Israel to be a foreign government. Israeli sovereignty
has replaced the sovereignty of halakha (Jewish law) and in that way
has decreed for itself the status of an enemy in every respect.

Except for the presence of the soldiers, there is no sign here of
Israeliness, everything is Jewish: the street names, the hateful
slogans painted on the shops of the Palestinians, the long beards, the
skullcaps. There is dirt in every corner and the Hebrew spoken here is
poor as well. There are no secular books and no Israeli culture here.
Most of the children have never set foot on the soil of Israel per se,
and most of the adults have been there only rarely, mainly for medical
treatments, family celebrations and consolation visits to mourners.

"I have nothing to talk to you about, you are not my nation and you
are not part of my nation," declared one of the veteran residents of
Hebron's Jewish Quarter, who wished to remain anonymous. "You are my
enemies and I pray for the day when we will get our revenge for what
you did to us in Gush Katif and what you're doing to us in Hebron. I
hate you more than the Arabs. You will pay forever for what you did."
He is 53 and a father of eight. On the day of the evacuation this
week, he got up early and reported to the battlefield with his
children.

"We didn't go all the way with you because we decided to wage a
passive war," he said. "We are leaving the major war for the end. You
have no future in this country, so tell your friends to make use of
the time still left to them. We will be victorious with the bellies of
our women."

Crisis of faith

The disengagement from Gush Katif gave rise to a crisis of faith of a
kind that the settlers have not experienced since the 1967 Six-Day
War. Even in their worst nightmares they didn't imagine that the
government would go all the way and uproot Jews from the "holy" ground
of Gaza. For years they became accustomed, or to be more precise were
allowed to become accustomed, to dictating to the government how to
behave. Suddenly former prime minister Ariel Sharon came onto the
scene and changed the modus operandi. Even at the height of the crisis
they followed the words of the rabbis, who declared "It will never
happen," believing that in the last moment a miracle would occur and
prevent the decree. Since the disengagement many settlers have severed
themselves from the outside world. The shock of the uprooting is a
still-oozing scar.

Already during the first attempt to go up to the evacuated West Bank
settlement of Homesh, about half a year ago, the weakness of the
government vis-a-vis the rabbis' determination became evident. One
thread, as strong as steel, links the evacuation of Amona to the
ascent to Homesh, to the attempt to return to the destroyed Gush Katif
settlements and to the events of Hebron: a determination to erase the
disgrace of the disengagement from the settlers' consciousness. They
will never again evacuate willingly, they will never again go like
sheep to the slaughter. In light of this, the hatred for the state and
its institutions has increased, and the status of the fundamentalist
rabbis, many of them members of the rabbinical council of Yesha (Judea
and Samaria), has been strengthened even further.

Two years after the evacuation from Gush Katif the government is
facing an internal threat with strategic implications for its future
image. This is a fateful moment in the tense coexistence between those
who favor secular values and those who cherish halakha. It is not
clear whether hundreds of thousands of skullcap-wearers will continue
to see themselves as part of the state if a peace accord is reached
that will require a major evacuation of West Bank land.

In such a case the army, which is a reflection of the society in which
it lives, will posit an existential dilemma between those who favor
the sovereignty of the state and those who favor the sovereignty of
the halakha. For the first time since the territories were annexed to
the State of Israel in the Six-Day War, it seems that Israel will not
be able to avoid this expected confrontation. The first signs were
seen this week during the evacuation of Hebron, when dozens of
soldiers preferred the halakhic decision of rabbis to orders from
their commanders.


--
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Subject: Re: VIABLE CONNECTED PALESTINIAN STATE OR DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL
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"Shlomo"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 9, 1:20 pm, Aviroce  wrote:
>> On Aug 8, 3:40 pm, Shlomo  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 8, 12:44 pm, Aviroce  wrote:
>>
>> > > You are Polish.  They are Germans, Austrians, Russians, Americans, ..
>> > > Go home.  Leave Palestine to the Palestinians.  May be the
>> > > Palestinians would let some of you stay with them according to their
>> > > rules of hospitality not yours of dispossession.
>>
>> > Okay, then how about the so-called Palestinian Arabs who are actually
>> > Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, Kuwaitis, Saudi's, and Egyptians?  The
>> > nations of their birth is where they belong.  If born prior to 1977 in
>> > the Gaza Strip, then they're Egyptians.  If born prior to 1981 in the
>> > West Bank, they're Jordanians.  If after the 1949 armistice
>> > agreements, they ended up in Jordan or Egypt, then they're Jordanians
>> > and Egyptians, and thus, so are their children.
>>
>> > As far as a "return", just remember than until the Ottoman Sultan
>> > allowed it, there was no "right" of "return" for the Jews.  It was
>> > only when the LEGAL GOVERNMENT, using it's SOVEREIGN RIGHT to control
>> > immigration allowed it, that the Jews were allowed to return to Zion.
>> > The same goes for the Arabs.  If Israel chooses to limit the
>> > immigration of non-Jews into its SOVEREIGN TERRITORY, it has ALL THE
>> > RIGHT IN THE WORLD to do so.  The Arabs chose to wage a WAR OF
>> > GENOCIDE against the Jews rather than build a nation.  It's their
>> > problem, and not Israel's, to solve.
>>
>> SHLOMO ((LAHAT??) YOU HAVE NO RIGHT.  EXISTENCE OF ISRAEL AS A STATE
>> WAS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS, USA-UN.  EVEN THE
>> UNITED NATIONS, USA-UN, HAS RULED THAT ISRAEL BE ONLY LIMITED TO
>> CERTAIN BOUNDARIES AND PALESTINIANS TO CERTAIN BOUNDARIES TO SOLVE AN
>> EXPLOSIVE PROBLEM CREATED BY WESTERN VICTORIOUS POWERS OF WWII.  YOU
>> MUST ABIDE.
>>
>> SHORT OF A ROBUST MILITARY FORCE FROM THE UN TO COMPEL ISRAEL TO
>> PERFORM UNDER UN RESOLUTIONS,  MY SUGGESTION FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF
>> ISRAEL IS THE BEST SOLUTION.  IT ENCOMPASSES ONLY IMPLOSIONS,
>> EXPLOSIVE IMPLOSION AND/OR EXPLOSIVE HUMAN IMPLOSION.  THESE TWO
>> IMPLOSIONS ARE HIGHLY VIABLE, PLAUSIBLE, AND PRAGMATIC.  (SEE MY
>> ARTICLES.)
>
>
> I won't waste time with your articles, because you are dodging the
> FACTS that I've posted about the legitimacy of Israel.
>
> Also, most of the anti-Israel articles are basically Palestinian Arab
> complaints about how they're being treated because their War of
> Genocide against the Jews, a war they've been waging since 1882,
> hasn't succeeded.

ARABS DO NOT GIVE  A SHIT ABOUT JEWS, IT IS WHAT JEWS ARE DOING TO 
PALESTINIANS AND THEIR OWN JEWISH PEOPLE THAT BOTHERS EVERYONE 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:39 EDT 2007
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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: Re: PACK YOUR BAGS KIKES!
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 wrote in message 
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>I DID ALREADY! PACKED WITH EXPLOSIVE AND SEND TO HAMAS!  HA HA HA HA
> HA HA HA HA!

hEZBOLLAH KICKED YOUR ARSE, SO WILL HAMAS!
>
> On 10 Aug, 12:38, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> IDF Intel: Syria May Launch Missile Attack Soon
>>
>> (IsraelNN.com) Contrary to the official Military Intelligence line,
>> according to which Syria does not intend to attack Israel in the near
>> future, many researchers in the intelligence community suspect that Syria 
>> is
>> waiting for the right moment to strike, and that the moment may come 
>> soon.
>> This is the reason that Israel's Home Front Readiness Cabinet met 
>> Wednesday
>> to discuss the possibility of a massive Syrian missile attack, according 
>> to
>> Ynet's veteran military analyst, Ron Ben-Yishai.
>>
>> Ben-Yishai says Syria is completing the construction of a large rocket 
>> array
>> aimed at Israel from the Syrian Golan Heights. These are not Katyusha
>> rockets but larger ones with a much greater range: 222 mm., 302 mm. and 
>> 600
>> mm. rockets with a payload of up to half a ton, which can reach Tel Aviv.
>> Dozens of launchers have already been set up and these are capable of 
>> firing
>> hundreds of missiles simultaneously.
>>
>> Syria also has SCUD missiles which can reach southern Israel, but these 
>> can
>> supposedly be intercepted by the Israeli Arrow anti-missile system. The
>> heavy missiles in the Golan cannot be intercepted by the Arrow, however.
>> According to Ben-Yishai, all this means that the Syrians can launch a
>> massive attack on Israel's home front without Israel having any advance
>> warning of the attack.
>
> 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:39 EDT 2007
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 SYRIA WILL DESTROY ISRAEL IN A FLASH! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:39 EDT 2007
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 wrote in message 
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> On 10 Aug, 12:37, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> What is wrong with fighting the occupiers of the land of Palestine? 
>> Nothing!
>> People of Palestine will eventually sweep the streets of those who have
>> tormented them for half a century!
>>> news:1186743750.552052.12010@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> SO WE KILLED THE BASTARD TO SHOW TO THE WORLD WHAT TO DO WITH ARAB
> TERRORIST!

WHO IS "WE" SHITHEAD? YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF WIPING YOUR OWN ARSE, SCUMBAG! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:40 EDT 2007
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"bernardz"  wrote in message 
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On Aug 10, 1:37 am, Bert Hyman  wrote:
> DontBot...@NOSPAM.com (BernardZ) wrote 
> innews:MPG.2125dda69ad2887e989ff4@west.Usenet-News.net:
>
>
>
> > In article ,
> > a...@cc.hut.fi says...
>
> >> "Heinrich"  kirjoitti
> >> viestissä:5i0f4gF3lppa...@mid.individual.net...
> >> > Estonia's commemoration of its pro-German World War II past,
> >> > including the re-enactment of a Nazi victory, has outraged the
> >> > Russian Jewish community.
>
> >> > A week ago, veterans of the Waffen SS 20th Estonian Division
> >> > celebrated the anniversary of the first clashes between Estonian
> >> > pro-German troops and the Soviet Army in 1941.
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> Here in Finland, 80 kilometers to the north of Estonia, there have
> >> been no such news whatsoever in the media.
>
> > Neither is there any mention in google news or google search.
>
> This is apparently the source for the report:
>
> http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/print/20070806EstoniaSS.html
>
> --
> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

Thanks for clearing that up.

Heinrich has a habit of just madly posting stuff without checking or
even giving a URL so it give no one the ability to check what  he
posts.

Heinrich's story obviously contains many inaccuracies and seems badly
put together.

IF THAT IS THE CASE YOU PUT YOUR KIPPA ON  AND GO VISIT VENCESLAUS SQUARE IN 
ESTONIA 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:41 EDT 2007
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 > There's only one genocide/holocaust that matters & it;s ours.
>
> Susan
irish genocide perpetrated by limeys? 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:41 EDT 2007
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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:f9heqb$27j$1@pcls6.std.com...
> In article <1186641323.268603.297670@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
>
>> STALIN'S JEWS
>
>   On the persecution of Jews by the Communists:
>
>   
>
>   In August 1919, all Jewish religious communities [in the Communist
> USSR] were dissolved, their property confiscated and the overwhelming
> majority of synagogues shut for ever.  The study of Hebrew and the
> publication of secular works in Hebrew were banned.  Yiddish printing
> was permitted, but only in phonetic transcription, and Yiddish
> culture, though tolerated for a time, was placed under careful
> supervision.

How many Jews were sent to Siberia for possessing Talmud?NONE!

How many Christians and Muslims, Jews sent to Siberia for being what they 
are? 60to 100 million!

That says it all! 




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 Most Jews do not support the state of Israel, nor do most Jews support the 
genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most Jews do not want to have any part in 
creating the fascist state in Palestine 




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" > It is just amazing how these people think. They don't even know. Maybe 
the
> next time around I will rewrite what they say using the word Samoan where
> they used Jew and maybe they will *see* just how bigoted they are. But I
> doubt it.
>
DODIE, FOR YOU TO CALL SOMEONE STUPID IS A DISGRACE, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE 
MOST UNEDUCATED, STUPID IDIOT ON THE WEB!

BESIDES GREAT MAJORITY OF JEWS PISS ON YOUR REASONING! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:42 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
> news:O%2vi.2256$eO1.1550@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>  wrote in message
>> news:1186747337.895851.108110@q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> >I DID ALREADY! PACKED WITH EXPLOSIVE AND SEND TO HAMAS!  HA HA HA HA
>> > HA HA HA HA!
>>
>> hEZBOLLAH KICKED YOUR ARSE, SO WILL HAMAS!
>
> Nah.... Your fantasy world.
 CEKAJ STOKO BUDALASTA! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:42 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>  wrote in message
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>> > On 10 Aug, 12:37, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> What is wrong with fighting the occupiers of the land of Palestine?
>> >> Nothing!
>> >> People of Palestine will eventually sweep the streets of those who 
>> >> have
>> >> tormented them for half a century!
>> >>> news:1186743750.552052.12010@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > SO WE KILLED THE BASTARD TO SHOW TO THE WORLD WHAT TO DO WITH ARAB
>> > TERRORIST!
>>
>> WHO IS "WE" SHITHEAD? YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF WIPING YOUR OWN ARSE,
> SCUMBAG!
>
> Looks like Florida is once again awash with pollution.
>
ALWAYS HAS BEEN! WALL TO WALL JEWS! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:43 EDT 2007
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In 1940, several months after invading Poland in September 1939, the Nazis 
forced about 500,000 Jews into the Warsaw Ghetto, surrounding it with a high 
wall. Tens of thousands died from hunger and disease. Eventually, 300,000 
were sent to death camps, mainly Treblinka in eastern Poland.

Similarly, Israel is now incarcerating nearly a million and a half helpless 
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip into a hell similar in nature to the Warsaw 
Ghetto. The Gaza concentration camp is not only fitted with a wall, but also 
with every conceivable tool of repression, such as electric fences and watch 
towers manned by Gestapo-like trigger-happy Jewish soldiers who shoot first 
and ask questions later.

Moreover, thousands of Israeli soldiers, are surrounding Gaza in a hermetic 
manner, shooting and killing any Palestinian trying to escape, e.g. enter 
Israel to search for work or even food.

Palestinian kids survive on bread and tea
Even Palestinian kids playing soccer near the hateful fences, are routinely 
riddled with bullets or reduced into pieces of human flesh by the "most 
moral army in the world."
As a result of these genocidal designs, Gazans in the thousands are dying of 
malnutrition and illness resulting from anemia. Moreover, Children in great 
numbers are surviving on a meager and totally inadequate diet consisting 
mainly of bread and tea.

This week, this writer contacted several Gaza families and asked to speak 
with the kids. The answers I received were truly horrifying. I did speak 
with 10 kids and was shocked to find out that aseven of the kids told me 
their diet during the previous week consisted mainly of bread and tea in 
addition to some tomatoes.

The grown-ups, especially the parents, wouldn't reveal the extent of the 
unfolding tragedy they are facing. They would only say a terse "al 
hamdulillah" (thank God). But the tone of their voices tells us that they 
are in real distress.

The Gaza Strip into the largest detention camp in the world
The harsh blockade of Gaza didn't start in mid June when Hamas took over the 
small seaside region after defeating and ousting the American-backed Fatah 
forces led by Muhammed Dahlan and cohorts who had been planning, with 
American dollars and arms, to murder the Hamas leadership in order to 
receive a certificate of good conduct from the Bush Administration and 
Israel.
In fact, Gaza has been effectively under siege since 2000 when the second 
Palestinian intifada or uprising broke out. Since, then Gazans have been 
barred from exporting their products and produces.

Moreover, Israel, which has been telling the world that it had ended its 
occupation of Gaza, still retains full control of the Rafah border crossing 
with Egypt, thus reducing the Gaza Strip into the largest detention camp in 
the world.

To make a long story short, Gazans are being pushed into a situation very 
similar to that which prevailed at the Ghetto Warsaw. They are not allowed 
to work (unemployment in Gaza stands at more than 70%), they are not allowed 
to travel abroad, they are not allowed to enter Israel for work, they are 
not allowed even to go fishing offshore since Israeli gunboats would open 
fire at any fishing-boat daring to go more than a mile off the shore.

The criminal and draconian measures are meant to further impoverish Gazans 
to the extent that they won't be able to purchase food.

The declared Israeli goal behind starving and tormenting the people of Gaza 
is to force them to revolt against the democratically-elected government, 
led by the Hamas movement, and settle for a quisling-like government that 
would sell-out Palestinian national rights, including the paramount right of 
return for Palestinian refugees uprooted from their homes and villages by 
Jewish gangs in 1948, when Israel was created.

It is believed that up to two thirds of the inhabitants of Gaza are 
refugees. Hence, the intensive repression and coercion being meted out to 
these people in order to force them to give up their right to return to 
their homes and villages in what is now Israel.

It is crystal clear that Israel is steadily but certainly effecting a 
Nazi-like approach toward the people of the Gaza Strip.

The PR-conscious Israeli government, however, is hoping that the world will 
not take proactive measures to expose the creeping genocide in Gaza . This 
is why Israel is allowing limited shipments of food products , such as flour 
and cooking oil, into Gaza , to avoid a possible international outcry.

However, the supplies are conspicuously meager and don't meet the basic 
nutritional needs of the vast bulk of Gaza children.

Unfortunately, the United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA) seems to be 
conniving and colluding with Israel to keep the unfolding Gaza tragedy as 
silent as possible.

UNRWA officials do make idle statements from time to time, warning of an 
impending "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza. However, the UN agency often 
refrains from "saying it as it is," probably for fear of upsetting the 
Israelis and the Americans, who apparently don't like to hear words like 
"starvation, and concentration camps" with regard to the situation in Gaza 
find their way to the international media.

Israel is undoubtedly the central culprit in this man-made tragedy in Gaza, 
since it is up to her to allow Gazans to obtain food and export their 
products and especially their produces to the West Bank. Such a step, which 
would cost Israel nothing, would help Gazans obtain some meager income to 
feed their children.

However, Israel, as always, has apparently chosen to be faithful to long 
traditions of callousness and moral depravity, not unlike the way the Nazis 
treated their victims.

US administration, Abbas as guilty as Israel
But Israel is not the only guilty party in this tragedy. The US is actually 
as criminal as Israel, since the Bush administration is urging Israel to 
keep up the pressure on Gaza.
In fact, American officials keep congratulating their Israeli colleagues on 
the "success" of the blockade against Gaza. I wonder what kind of 
politicians are those who enjoy watching children starve to death? Are they 
human beings or cannibalistic beasts? This question ought to be directed to 
Condoleezza Rice whose behavior toward the Palestinian people is probably a 
thousand times worse than the behavior of the worst American white slave 
masters toward here forefathers.

Maybe it is naive to appeal to Rice's sense of justice and morality since 
her manifestly criminal record with regard to the Palestinian cause leaves 
no doubt as to the woman's unethical and evil character.

But if the Bush administration, which has been carrying a holocaust in Iraq, 
and Israel, which has been effecting ethnic cleansing in Palestine in the 
name of Jewish nationalism, can be "excused" on the ground that only evil 
can be expected from evil governments, the Palestinian regime of Mahmoud 
Abbas has no excuse whatsoever to collude and connive with Israel against 
the very people it is claiming to serve.

Such behavior, including the tacit and implicit encouragement of Israel to 
tighten the blockade of Gaza, and keep hundreds of thousands of encircled 
Gazans hungry and thoroughly tormented, characterizes quislings and agents 
of a foreign occupation.

Clearly, Abbas and his aides have much to explain to the Palestinian people. 
They also have much to atone for. This is if they still possess any sense of 
shame.




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> .... is that they don't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians, really. 
> It's just a convenient platform from which they can bash Israel and Jews.
>
> Funny how just about all the Palestine supporters around here are also 
> Revisionists, Holocaust Deniers,

It is easy to deny something that never happened, something Jews have been 
lying about for half a century! 




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ISRAELI EMBASSY IN NYC A RADIATION HOT SPOT


  WASHINGTON -- Anti-terrorism officials conducted a helicopter survey of
New York City's radiation sources in preparation for a so-called "dirty
bomb" attack - and discovered a Staten Island park with dangerously high
levels of radium, a new report found.


  Federal authorities found 80 unexpected "hot spots" around New York City,
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  . . .


  One alleged radiation hot spot on Manhattan's east side has the potential
for becoming a political hot spot: A strong radiation spike from the area of
the Israeli Embassy. Officials would not comment on why they thought that
particular area allegedly showed such a stunning peak in radiation.


http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/22798.php




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ISRAELI EMBASSY IN NYC A RADIATION HOT SPOT


  WASHINGTON -- Anti-terrorism officials conducted a helicopter survey of
New York City's radiation sources in preparation for a so-called "dirty
bomb" attack - and discovered a Staten Island park with dangerously high
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  Federal authorities found 80 unexpected "hot spots" around New York City,
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particular area allegedly showed such a stunning peak in radiation.


http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/22798.php




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 ABSOLUTELY NOT!



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On Aug 10, 5:27 pm, Firnando  wrote:
> British chef has sex with goat
> By Team Register
>
>  A man is awaiting sentencing after being found guilty of having sex
> with a goat. He was spotted by passengers on a packed train which
> stopped at signals opposite an allotment.

JEW FUCKING A JEWISH GOAT? NOTHING SURPRISING!



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On Aug 11, 8:24 am, RJ11  wrote:
> In article ,
>
> B'inyamin Cramer  wrote:
>
>    (yaaawn)
>
>    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>
>    Mass graves found at Nazi camp
> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>
>    The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>
>    
>
>    A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
> conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists,  headed by
> Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland,  who is the
> author of more than 130 papers on archaeology.  The team studied the site
> of the death camp,  drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
> samples.  The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
> "BELZEC.  THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
> Excavations 1997-1999".  ISBN 83-905590-6-4).  The study has recovered
> human remains over a very large area,  to a depth of up to six meters.
> The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
>
> RJ.
EXISTENCE OF MASS MURDER HAS ONLY BEEN PROVED IN RUSSIA WHEN JEWISH
COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED BETWEEN 60 AND 100 MILLION RUSSIANS BETWEEN
1917 AND 1989




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On Aug 11, 8:55 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2:18 pm, "Kenneth McVay, OBC"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "B'inyamin Cramer"  wrote in message
>
> >news:kdmdnXr_bcGa3SDbnZ2dnUVZ_sejnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > "Ken McVay"  wrote in message
> > >news:13bqdbdf3pltd5b@corp.supernews.com...
> > >> [Follow-ups set]
>
> > >> August 11
>
> > >> 1944
>
> > >> Four hundred thirty people, both Jews and non-Jews, are
> > >> deported from Lyon to Auschwitz, arriving there on August
> > >> 22; 128 are gassed on arrival.
>
> > > Not that you can prove, faggot.
>
> > Jews don't need to prove anything, they are Jews.
>
> Surprise! :-)
>
> Have a nice zionaz day!

Notice that he intimates that "resistance fighters" were Jews.
Cowardly bastards never joined partizans, in fact some of the Jews
were Nazi agents, like Simon Wiesenthal, who sold out dozens of
Bukovina and Besarabia partizans to Gestapo!



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http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/ 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
news:1186804380.067318.262940@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 8, 9:59 am, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Mein Kampf is the greatest book that was ever written. Written by great 
>> man
>> and by a true German. I salute the Honorable Adolph Hitler. One day when 
>> the
>> Jews are incinerated into hell, by no other than the world masses, 
>> History
>> will correct this man rightful status as one of the greatest German 
>> leader
>> that ever existed.
>
> Der Fuhrer, in the lake of fire, is still searching for his missing
> ball..
ODJEBI GOVNO USTASHKO! 




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 Spinning the Iraq War Death Toll

By Robert Parry
August 10, 2007


Mindful of the political fallout from a rising American death toll in Iraq, 
the U.S. military has pulled back from widespread use of aggressive tactics 
on the ground this summer, helping to explain a modest reduction in the 
number of soldiers killed in July, according to intelligence and military 
sources.



The number of U.S. military fatalities declined to 80 in July after three 
months of a death toll in the triple digits (104 in April, 126 in May, and 
101 in June). The lower death toll has been cited by some U.S. commanders in 
Iraq and Bush administration supporters in Washington as a sign that 
President George W. Bush's "surge" of U.S. troops is working.

But the sources told me that the lower death toll reflects not some 
impending victory but just a slowdown in the U.S. ground offensive after the 
early phases of the surge, which poured more than 20,000 additional troops 
into Iraq. The sources cited a variety of factors contributing to the 
decline in U.S. casualties.

One U.S. military source said the American troops have not pushed as far 
>from their forward operating bases as the U.S. news media has been led to 
believe. When Bush unveiled the surge, a key goal was to get American forces 
out of their secure bases and into small police outposts in Iraqi 
neighborhoods.

The exposure of U.S. troops to the additional hazard of such front-line 
assignments was a factor in the upswing of American deaths in the early 
months of the surge. This forward positioning also presented risks for U.S. 
logistical personnel who had to brave roadside bombs and ambushes to supply 
these isolated units.

Further complicating those assignments was the brutal summer heat - reaching 
temperatures of 130 degrees - at a time when electricity in many Iraqi 
neighborhoods is spotty at best. By slowing or postponing these deployments, 
the dangers to the troops - not to mention their discomfort - were reduced.

Still, this source said the decline in violent incidents involving U.S. 
troops could be viewed as a combination of two factors - a drop-off in 
activity by the Iraqi insurgency as well as a pull-back by the Americans.

Another source said the precise reason for the reduced U.S. military 
activity inside Iraq wasn't entirely clear, but noted that the slowdown in 
the Iraqi theater was in sharp contrast to more aggressive operations in 
Afghanistan.

A decline in American activity in Iraq also has been noted by Israeli 
intelligence, another source said, raising some concern in Tel Aviv that the 
U.S. military was shying away from offensive operations to avoid higher 
casualties that would further undermine political support for the war in the 
United States.

The source said some Israeli officials want the Americans to keep taking the 
fight to the enemy.

July Heat

It's also possible that the brutal heat has a lot to do with the slower pace 
of the fighting, by discouraging operations by both guerrillas and U.S. 
troops. Since the war began, July has been one of the least deadly months 
for U.S. troops.

Indeed, compared to earlier July casualty reports, the July 2007 death toll 
of 80 was the worst of the war for U.S. troops. In July 2003, 48 American 
soldiers died; in July 2004, the death toll was 54; in July 2005, it was 54; 
in July 2006, it was 43. For details, see icasualities.org.

U.S. military officials and Bush administration war supporters, however, 
have cited the decline in American deaths this July - compared with the 
previous three months - as one of several positive indicators that Bush's 
surge strategy is making progress.

These supporters also have hailed signs of increased cooperation with Sunni 
tribal leaders in Anbar province, once considered an insurgent stronghold. 
Over the past few weeks, the U.S. military has escorted analysts from 
several Washington think tanks to areas of relative calm in Iraq, leading to 
some glowing reports.

Typical was an op-ed piece in the New York Times by Michael E. O'Hanlon and 
Kenneth M. Pollack of the Brookings Institution, who portrayed themselves as 
tough critics of the Bush administration's strategy who, after a visit to 
Iraq, concluded that Bush's surge was succeeding.

"As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's 
miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the 
potential to produce not necessarily 'victory' but a sustainable stability 
that both we and the Iraqis could live with," O'Hanlon and Pollack wrote in 
an article entitled "A War We Just Might Win."

Yet the authors - and the New York Times - failed to tell readers the full 
story about these supposed skeptics: far from grizzled peaceniks, O'Hanlon 
and Pollack have been longtime cheerleaders for a larger U.S. military 
occupying force in Iraq.

Pollack, a former CIA analyst, was a leading advocate for invading Iraq in 
the first place. He published The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading 
Iraq in September 2002, just as the Bush administration was gearing up its 
marketing push for going to war.

British journalist Robert Fisk called Pollack's book the "most meretricious 
contribution to this utterly fraudulent war 'debate' in the United States." 
(Meretricious refers to something that is based on pretense, deception or 
insincerity.) See Fisk's The Great War for Civilization

Cautious Report

Another think tank analyst, Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic 
and International Studies, returned from the same trip with a somewhat less 
optimistic assessment.

Cordesman wrote: "From my perspective, the U.S. now has only uncertain, 
high-risk options in Iraq. It cannot dictate Iraq's future, only influence 
it, and this presents serious problems at a time when the Iraqi political 
process has failed to move forward in reaching either a new consensus or 
some form of peaceful coexistence. .

"So far, Iraq's national government has failed to act at the rate necessary 
to move the country forward or give American military action political 
meaning."

Nevertheless, the Bush administration seems certain to tout whatever fragile 
positive developments can be discerned, to secure a new round of funding 
>from Congress in September.

But the détente with those Sunni tribal leaders may turn out to be 
short-lived, especially if they conclude the U.S. occupation is helping the 
Shiite majority consolidate its power in Baghdad and its control over the 
nation's oil wealth.

The Shiite-dominated government is showing little inclination to make 
meaningful concessions to the Sunnis. Despite stern warnings from Defense 
Secretary Robert Gates, the Iraqi parliament adjourned for a month-long 
recess, leaving unresolved legislative disputes about sharing oil revenues 
and giving Sunnis a bigger stake in the government.

The grim future of Iraq might be foretold by conditions in the southern 
Shiite city of Basra, which once was regarded as a success story. As British 
forces were driven back into fortresses - and now are eying a full-scale 
withdrawal - the region became a battleground with various Shiite factions 
at war.

As the Washington Post reported, "Shiite militias there have escalated a 
violent battle against each other for political supremacy and control over 
oil revenues, deepening concerns among some U.S. officials in Baghdad that 
elements of Iraq's Shiite-dominated national government will turn on one 
another once U.S. troops begin to draw down.

"Three major Shiite political groups are locked in a bloody conflict that 
has left the city of Basra in the hands of militias and criminal gangs, 
whose control extends to municipal offices and neighborhood streets." 
Washington Post, Aug. 7, 2007

To sustain even a modest degree of public support for the war, President 
Bush increasingly has relied on the argument that - as bad as the situation 
on Iraq is now - it would get worse if U.S. forces left.

Yet, however one cuts it, the future of Iraq looks bleak. In one telling 
passage from Cordesman's trip report, he described plans to address the 
disorder in Iraq by locking up tens of thousands of Iraqis, overwhelmingly 
Sunnis.

"The detainees have risen to over 18,000 and are projected to hit 30,000 (by 
the U.S. command) by the end of the year and 50,000 by the end of 2008," 
Cordesman wrote. "Shiite detainees are often freed while Sunnis are 
warehoused."

In other words, Bush's policy in Iraq appears headed toward replacing Saddam 
Hussein's Sunni-dominated police state which persecuted Shiites with an even 
more expansive police state run by the Shiites persecuting Sunnis.

Once the Sunni tribal leaders in Anbar get a whiff of what's in store for 
their religious brethren, they might reverse themselves again on their 
attitudes toward their new American friends.

In his report, Cordesman also put the Iraqi death toll from the war at more 
than 100,000. However, some estimates that count Iraqis who died 
unnecessarily due to the war's chaos have put that total at more than a half 
million.

If Bush's Iraq policies continue much longer - and the war turns even 
uglier - those staggering numbers could represent just a down payment in 
blood and misery. Years from now, the American people may find little solace 
>from the pro-war spin point that the July 2007 death toll for U.S. troops 
was only 80.




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 DRUNKARD MC VAY NEVER STOPS PERSONAL ATTACKS ON PEOPLE AND LECTURES OTHERS 
ABOUT "NETIQUETTE" 




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 > Let us be clear: The real purpose of Holocaust denial is to degrade and
> dehumanize the Jewish people.

NOTHING OF THE KIND, NOBODY DEHUMANIZES JEWS MORE THAN THEY DEHUMANIZE 
THEMSELVES. AUSCHWITZ OF GAZA PROVES THAT JEWS ARE INHUMAN NAZI ROBOTS!

> -- Abdurrahaman Wahid,former president of Indonesia; Israel Lau,
> Buchenwald survivor and former Chief Rabbi of Israel 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:42:49 EDT 2007
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 > The fact that you're still using schoolyard invective and idiotic
> name-calling certainly makes a case that you don't have the slightest
> idea what honesty is.
>
>>Which is why I'm incensed over the activities of you
>> and your fellow tribesmen/women and shabbos goys.
>
> And believe me, we're just shattered about it.
>
> Sara
>
> -- 
> Let us be clear: The real purpose of Holocaust denial is to degrade

nobody denies the real holocaust, when jewish commissrs slaughtered between 
60 and 100 million russians between 1917 and 1989 




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"Doc Martian"  wrote in message 
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> you can trust us, we love you fucking nazis, really, we aren't raping your 
> resources for a few billion dollars, your topsoil is safe with us. what 
> are you folks down to? boron? magnetite?
>
> cheers!
> Doc
Or plain old slivovitza! 




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MORE DISGUSTING LIAR THE WEB HAS NEVER KNOWN!

MORE DISGUSTING PANHANDLER, NANAIMO HAS NEVER HAD!

MORE DESPEAKABLE RODENT HAS NEVER  BEEN FOUND ON VANCOUVER ISLAND

BRITISH COLUMBIA BETTER WAKE UP TO THIS PIECE OF SHIT CALLED MCVAY! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On Aug 11, 11:39 am, pleyl...@bigpond.net.au (Ms Buyers) wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0400, "ElParedon" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/
>>
>> Begging for money from the Gentile to line jew pockets is Oy Vey
>> McVay's stock in trade.
>
>
> Yeah, Mcvay's Nizkor is a multi-million dollar organization which
> takes
> all its contributions and funnels them to Jewish organizations. I've
> even
> heard there is an offshore account in the Cayman Islands. Get real.
>
> Michael Ragland

I doubt it! I went to Nanaimo spent a day asking about this rodent. Very few 
people know much about him. An RCMP constable pointed him out to me. He is a 
bum, nobody would give two cents to that idiot! 




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 How the Ship of State Became the Ship of Fools
The US has caught a nasty virus the symptom of which is running punditry. 
It's like cruise ship diarrhea without the satisfaction at the end of ordeal 
or even panic. Some quick notes: Barack Obama is the most shallow, 
non-descript, boring politician to ever come down the pike --an intellectual 
lightweight whose soul has been coached out of him by media consultants. In 
Barack Obama, I find the vacuous echoes of Ronald Reagan, a previous 
lightweight who had mastered the art of reading buzzwords off a cue card. My 
skin crawls.

I have stopped listening to what passes for debate these days. It's become a 
matter of stringing meaningless platitudes together such that they sound 
like real human speech. Or is it a Japanese robot?

More quick notes: I wish John Edwards were uglier. Hillary Clinton is 
damaged goods. Ron Paul, still a Republican, has many more scales to shed 
before he can change his repitil..uh...Republican skin.

God help us --the only intelligent politician in the field is Dennis 
Kucinich who has only a snow ball's chance in hell of ever becoming 
President. It's our loss. Watching Democrats is akin to medieval debate 
about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I am sick to death of tedious debates about the conduct of the war of 
aggression against the people of Iraq. The "conduct" of the war is not the 
issue. Why we continue to stay is! Why we haven't impeached, tried, removed 
and imprisoned George W. Bush is! Why a grand jury has not been convened to 
investigate the GOP crime syndicate is! Why corporations rule the US 
government is! The validity of the electoral process is! Why bother going 
through the motions until paper trails are mandated at the polls?

I am sick to death of Congress kowtowing to a President who has the support 
of little more than 25 percent of the American people. Carl Jung predicted 
our malaise in 1957 in his "The Undiscovered Self", decrying "...apocalyptic 
images of universal destruction" brought on by WWII and an atomic age 
ushered in when the United States dropped weapons of mass destruction on two 
cities in Japan. In its wake, Jung was fearful that 40 percent of the 
population -called a "mentally stable stratum" -might not be able to keep 
the lid on mass psychosis; it might be unable to restrain the spread of 
"dangerous tendencies", presumably: fascism, fanaticism, militarism, and 
intolerance. Jung seems to have been less concerned with external threats. 
The more dangerous tendencies he feared were home grown. There are some real 
issues to be addressed but all have taken a back seat to punditry.

The theme of collapse seems to have reverberated around the world, now 
manifesting its symptoms in the scientific community's latest dramatic 
reports on global warming, the issue of Peak Oil coming further out of the 
closet - being discussed openly in mainstream media, and the bursting of the 
US housing bubble that now finds 1 out of every 264 homes in the nation 
facing foreclosure as each day the value of the dollar decreases and the 
value of precious metals soars.
--The Cycle of Time

In the meantime, Democrats have failed to challenge Bush's exploitation of 
the ultimate strawman: terrorism. Bush owns the issue of "terrorism" even if 
he had to make it all up. As long as Democrats buy into the paradigm, they 
have no place from which to launch a counter-attack. Democrats too easily 
conferred legitimacy upon an illegitimate usurper, credibility when, in 
fact, Bush lied about everything. They are now paying the price for having 
played Bush's game. The spectre of terrorism has been of greater benefit to 
Bush than "real" terrorists who share with O.J.'s "real killers" all the 
characteristics of a phantom menace.

Political rhetoric is just more of the same when, in fact, nothing is the 
same. How could the Democrats have missed the sea change that has taken 
place, the fundamental challenges to Constitutional government? What are the 
implications? Simply, the Bush junta has challenged not only the 
Constitution but almost 1,000 years of progress. Principles mouthed by Bush 
simply fly in the face of the Magna Carta, the English Petition of Right, 
the Mayflower Compact, The Virginia Declaration of Rights, The Declaration 
of Independence, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights, The Nuremberg 
Principles, and every US Supreme Court decision that has upheld the right of 
persons to be free of arbitary rule, to be secure in their homes, to be free 
of unreasonable arrest in the absence of probable cause that a crime has 
been committed.

Significantly, totalitarian states have their philosophical roots in 
Hegelianism, a straight road to both Nazism and Stalinism. There is, by 
contrast, another road that runs straight from Magna Carta to our own 
Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

If the Magna Carta is not the birth certificate of Democracy, it is the 
death certificate of despotism. It spells out for the first time the 
fundamental principle that the law is not simply the whim of the king. The 
law is an independent power unto itself. And the King could be brought to 
book for violating it!"
-Simon Schama, History of Britain

Bush's demogoguery is an issue and the Democrats should be on the offensive. 
Instead, most members of Congress lined up behind what Gore Vidal called an 
"un-American" administration.



Instead of bullshit and platitudes from Obama --nonsense talk about 
attacking Pakistan, Barack should have been screaming about America's 
enemies inside the White House --George W. Bush and his every supporter. Do 
the Democrats get it? Have they not understood what Bush has done? Is 
Congress without a clue?

The Constitution itself is explicit when it establishes the sovereignty of 
the people. But, if that were not enough to dispel notions of the "state as 
absolute", a Bill of Rights was insisted upon and ratified by the people. In 
the 1960's, Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas believed the freedoms 
guaranteed by the Bill of Rights to be absolute -beyond the power of 
Congress or the executive to modify or infringe in any way. We could use 
someone like Douglas today. As his friend Tommy Corcoran pointed out, 
Douglas had "wanted the Presidency worse than Don Quixote wanted Dulcinea" 
and Franklin Roosevelt believed that Douglas would have been the strongest 
running mate in 1944. It was Democratic bosses who persuaded Roosevelt to 
pick Harry Truman instead. Oh well! "To err is Truman!"

Democratic "opposition" to Bush seems less naive than irrelevant, locked 
into the GOP paradigm when Democrats should be forcing a defensive GOP to 
debate on Democratic turf, on Democratic issues, indeed, the very future of 
Democracy in America. Tragically, the Democrats will get suckered into 
debating the "conduct" of a war that should never have begun, a war that is 
itself a crime, a war that has, in fact, no good end, a war that is, in 
fact, lost!

Democrats are in danger of blowing the last chance they will ever have to 
forge a new and better future. It's become a cliche that the Chinese 
character for "crisis", literally translated, means "dangerous opportunity". 
If the Democrats fail to make the most of this opportunity, the people of 
the US will be no better off, nothing will have been gained for the ordeal 
we have suffered, nothing true, lasting or valid will have been affirmed. 
What a waste if this should all turn out to be the most irrelevant 
presidential debate in this nation's history!

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2007/08/how-ship-of-state-became-ship-of-fools.html 




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Russians have had a submarine base in Syria for couple of dozen years, that 
is nothing new. However the dredging which is taking place is now to 
accomodate huge Russian ships, and much larger nuclear subs. Both Israel, 
and the invaders of Iraq should beware.

Remember how Russians entered Kosova, before anyone even knew they were 
there? Personally I believe that the balance of power in Middle Easy would 
be accomplished by Russian presence. Slava Bogu!

"Otis Willie PIO The American War Library"  
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 Hezbollah showcases 'divine victory' over Israel
Sylvie Groult
AFP
August 10, 2007

BEIRUT - One year after its devastating war with Israel, the Lebanese 
militant group Hezbollah is celebrating its "divine victory" over the Jewish 
state with an elaborate exhibition complete with sound and light show.

Set in the southern suburbs of Beirut controlled by Hezbollah, the 
exhibition showcases seized Israeli weapons, military apparel, pictures, and 
video footage highlighting the "crushing defeat" inflicted on Israel in its 
34-day war with the militant Shiite group.

Bunkers surrounded by sandbags, underground listening posts, and detailed 
maps also aim to recreate the living conditions of the militants on the 
battlefield, as loudspeakers blare out the sound of bombs exploding, 
machine-gun fire, and speeches by Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

Huge photos of US President George W. Bush, his former defense secretary 
Donald Rumsfeld, and Israeli leaders meanwhile stand alongside an American 
flag with its 50 stars in the shape of bombs and a message that reads: 
"American democracy, danger."

Throughout the neighborhood, banners proclaim "divine victory" along with 
the messages "the era of defeat is over" or "the era of victory is here."

"Our aim is to highlight the truth and show proof of our victory," said Ali 
Ahmed, a spokesman for the exhibition entitled Spider's Web, which plays on 
a popular phrase coined by Nasrallah in which he calls Israel "more feeble 
than a spider's web."

"We want to set the record straight," Ahmed added.

He said that nearly 200,000 people had visited the free event since it 
opened at the end of July and there are plans to make it permanent, perhaps 
somewhere in southern Lebanon where Hezbollah has a strong presence.

Israel's war with Hezbollah resulted in the deaths of more than 1,200 
Lebanese civilians, a third of them children, as well as 160 Israelis, 
mostly soldiers. It destroyed more than 25,000 homes and 50,000 other 
buildings, notably in the country's south, before ending with a UN-brokered 
ceasefire August 14.

Israel failed in both its stated aims for launching the war: to stop rocket 
fire on northern Israel and to recover two soldiers captured by Hezbollah in 
a deadly cross-border raid.

"For the first time in its history, Israel was defeated during that war," 
said Said Hassan Srour, 56, a butcher, as he toured the Spider's Web. 
"Nasrallah is like God to me. He is honest and he loves his people."

A guide accompanying a group of men, women, and children proudly tells his 
audience that the Israeli weapons on display were but "1 percent of the 
amount of weapons seized by Hezbollah."

Nearby, a months-old baby girl begins to cry as her mother encourages her to 
watch a light and sound show that consists of a six-minute video of war 
footage. Below the screen, in a pit, is a smoking Israeli tank with a dummy 
of a dead Israeli soldier.

"We have no assurance that Israel won't start the war over again," says Abu 
Ahmed, who claims to be a Hezbollah fighter, as he points to other military 
equipment on display. "So we are ready, we have weapons," he adds. "We are 
present all along the border and in all villages."

http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070810-064530-4726r 




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>>MORE DISGUSTING LIAR THE WEB HAS NEVER KNOWN!
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>>MORE DISGUSTING PANHANDLER, NANAIMO HAS NEVER HAD!
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>>MORE DESPEAKABLE RODENT HAS NEVER  BEEN FOUND ON VANCOUVER ISLAND
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>>BRITISH COLUMBIA BETTER WAKE UP TO THIS PIECE OF SHIT CALLED MCVAY!

AND KICK THE BASTARD'S ARSE BACK TO THE BACKWOODS OF CALIFORNIA, WHERE HE 
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JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED A MILLION POLES AFTER THE WAR, THOSE ARE THE 
GRAVES OF THE JEW'S VICTIMS, MOREL'S VICTIMS! 




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I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO ERADICATE SHIT LIKE YOU!  ANY IDEAS? 




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I began my questioning and search for truth regarding the much ballyhooed 
"Holocaust" in 1974. Like nearly every American, I fully accepted at face 
value the claims of "survivors," the videos and photos shown on television, 
and the very regular pronouncements from the media, dais, and pulpit about 
the "horrible extermination campaign" conducted against Jews by Hitler's 
Germany . What spurred me to question the details of this unspeakable crime? 
Reading a paper titled "Did Six Million Really Die?", my work experience in 
a chemical plant and the handling of hydrogen cyanide, and reading the 
accounts of "survivors" from the post-war trials which essentially 
established the legend of mass extermination that came to be termed the 
"Holocaust."

The first thing I did as a seeker of truth was to get a definition of 
"Holocaust," which was and is readily available in countless books on the 
subject. That definition was/is described as "the planned and activated 
extermination of members of the Jewish race, numbering some six million, by 
National Socialist Germany primarily through the use of Zyclon B ( a 
commercial preparation containing hydrogen cyanide) used to disinfect 
clothing at the various labor camps during World War II." With this 
definition forming the guidelines, I began my quest.

Those who have challenged the "establishment" viewpoint are known as 
"revisionists," and their position on the subject is: there was NO attempt 
by National Socialist Germany to exterminate ANY ethnic group. Revisionists 
agree that many deaths occurred in the camps due to disease, starvation, and 
the horrid conditions of war, but "gas chambers" for homicidal purposes were 
non-existent. Those who accept the conventional view as true are designated 
as "exterminationists" by revisionists.

What jumped at this researcher immediately upon closer examination of the 
stories of extermination were the many credible arguments against such a 
program, as advanced by revisionists. The technical and physical 
impossibilities of the claims of alleged gassings and cremations as espoused 
by "eyewitnesses" at the post-war trials immediately fly in the face of 
scientific fact. Unfortunately, such claims were NOT allowed to be 
questioned by the defense, nor those witnesses allowed to be cross examined. 
Before an analysis of such claims, a chronological background on the origins 
of "denial" is necessary for a proper understanding of revisionist 
contentions.

In 1961, Professor Paul Rassinier of France became the first author to 
refute the accuracy of claims of genocide in print. Francis P. Yockey's 
"Imperium," published in 1948, did cast doubt upon the claims, but did not 
deal directly with the subject. Rassinier, a socialist and member of the 
French resistance, had been captured and interned in the concentration camps 
of Buchenwald and Dora. Liberated in 1945, he returned to France as an 
invalid, and was shortly very puzzled, then outraged, at the claims of 
"genocide" and gas chambers, particularly regarding the two camps where he 
had been a prisoner. He had seen no evidence of any such activities as an 
inmate there, and Rassinier certainly had no love for the Germans. His 
initial work on the extermination of the Jews, "The Lie of Ulysses," 
followed in 1964 by his "The Drama of the European Jews," called into 
question the "Holocaust" legend.

The year 1976 featured the appearance of a thorough and well-documented 
revisionist treatise by Dr. Arthur R. Butz of Northwestern University . "The 
Hoax of the 20th Century" dissected the extermination claims from pre-war 
and post war population statistics; the crucial role played by the Allied 
trials and their extreme importance in implanting the legend were also 
addressed by Butz: ".it is a fact that without the evidence generated at 
these trials, there would be no significant evidence that the program of 
killing Jews ever existed at all.If the trials had not been held, a person 
claiming the existence of an extermination program could not, if challenged, 
produce any evidence for this save a few books.whose claims are just as 
unsupported as his original claim. Thus the problem that had been involved 
in deciding whether or not to try mass murder; unlike the usual murder case, 
there was legitimate and very solid doubt that the deed had been committed 
at all.

"This may surprise the reader who regards the tale of Jewish extermination 
as a near certainty; such is simply not the case. There are many 
considerations supporting this view and some are so simple that they may 
surprise the reader even further. The simplest valid reason for being 
skeptical about the extermination claim is also the simplest conceivable 
reason; at the end of the war they were still there" (Butz, page 10).

Adding credence to the claims made by Butz is the 1983 publication by Walter 
N. Sanning, "The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry." This detailed 
demographic study offers evidence that the vast majority of the 
"exterminated" Jews did indeed survive, being absorbed primarily into the 
Soviet Union, Palestine , and the United States . Professor Sanning 
challenges the exterminationist school of thought: "The purpose of this 
analysis was not to investigate the content of truth in the 'Holocaust' 
story, but to outline the extent and the direction of the Jewish population 
movement before, during, and after World War II. If the developments as 
traced here are in conflict with the taboos of contemporary historians, it 
is THEIR (emphasis added) task to reconsider an untenable position."

In his booklet, "The Holocaust - 120 Questions and Answers," Dr. Charles E. 
Weber does a masterful job of provoking thought while keeping his approach 
simple and plain-spoken. This 1983 publication addresses a myriad of issues 
related to the Holocaust legend, and reminds the reader from the outset that 
the funding available to those who disseminate material from the 
exterminationist viewpoint far outweighs the minute resources available to 
the revisionist (p.8). This is, of course, a major factor in the relative 
obscurity of revisionist research and conclusions on the issue.

One of the most definitive books on the conduct of "war crimes" trials, "The 
Auschwitz Myth," by Dr. Wilhelm Staglich, gives one insight into the show 
trial and political nature of Allied courtroom procedures. This 1986 
publication stresses the ignoring of proper judicial standards and the 
appalling way in which the search for TRUTH was impeded rather than 
furthered by the court. Not many are aware that "eyewitnesses" were NOT 
allowed to be cross-examined by the defense, nor were they ever subjected to 
enforcement of the perjury oath. Additionally, "witnesses" traveled from 
court to court making the same unchallenged claims, saying they had been at 
each camp.

By October of 1990 the revisionist assault on the legend had come full 
circle with the admission by Great Britain's leading historian and authority 
on World War II, David Irving, that he was now convinced of the fraudulent 
nature of the entire extermination thesis ("Battleship Auschwitz ," pp. 
498-499), and would include a statement to this effect in new editions of 
his previously published books.

TECHNICAL ASPECTS

According to revisionist investigation, NONE of the alleged "gas chambers" 
had ventilation or exhaust systems capable of handling the gassing of 
inmates. The square footage in ALL of the "chambers" would allow for a 
hypothetical total of 123,976 gassings in ALL the years of the supposed 
"genocide" program (The Leuchter Report, p. 14). In September of 1989, the 
Russians released the Auschwitz death books (the Germans were meticulous 
record keepers), which show a death toll of 74,000 at that camp from ALL 
CAUSES ( Irving , p. 500). Confessions from Germans, obtained by TORTURE, 
"eyewitness" testimony, and exterminationist historians put the number 
gassed at Auschwitz alone at 4 million. This massive contradiction deserves 
further examination in the interest of historical truth. This figure has now 
been revised downward, to just over a million, thanks to the fear of 
revisionist discoveries and publishings. Notably, however, that reduction 
did nothing regarding the claim of six-million dead!!

On August 19, 1960, the director of the prestigious Institute for 
Contemporary History in Munich, Dr. Martin Broszat, announced to his amazed 
countrymen that there had NEVER been a "gas chamber" in the entirety of the 
German Reich, but only a few in other places, namely in occupied Poland 
(Robert Faurrison, "The Problem of the Gas Chambers," pp. 107-108). This 
announcement flew in the face of those who swore to mass killings in German 
camps, but that was never brought up, of course!

Broszat has NEVER provided an explanation for this contention. Professor 
Robert Faurrison of France asks: 1. How does Dr. Broszat know that the "gas 
chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds? 2. How does he know that the "gas 
chambers" in Poland are genuine? 3. Why do the proofs and certainties and 
eyewitness accounts concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly 
have no value, while these SAME criteria still remain true for the camps in 
Poland (p. 108)? Think about those questions!!

As the exterminationists themselves have since abandoned the claims of the 
use of gas chambers in Germany proper, primary attention will now be devoted 
to the main camps in Poland , which would be Majdanek and 
Auschwitz-Birkenau. Pertinent to this, however, is the confession regarding 
the German camp of Bergen-Belsen .

Two of the pillars upon which rest the claims of the exterminationist 
historians and the "survivors" and "eyewitnesses" are the confessions of 
Kurt Gerstein and Rudolf Hoess. Gerstein, one-time commandant of 
Bergen-Belsen, states in his confession that 700 to 800 people went into 
each of the four chambers each time the gassings took place. The size of 
each room varies slightly, but worked out in terms of occupant per square 
meter (approximately a square 3 feet by 3 feet), and according to those 
"eyewitnesses," those rooms would have had a minimum of 30 to a maximum of 
40 individuals in each square meter (Felderer, p. 170). I ask you, dear 
reader, to draw on your floor or the ground, a square of 3 feet by 3 feet. 
Then imagine just how many people you could cram into that square. Thirty? 
Forty? I don't think so!! Revisionist Ditlieb Felderer concludes, "In spite 
of all the absurdities, impossibilities, erroneous and contradictory 
figures, the 'Gerstein Statement" continues to maintain its supremacy in 
Exterminationist lore. Perhaps this is just as well, from a cynical 
Revisionist viewpoint, for few things could better illustrate the mythical 
nature of the 'Holocaust' than this very item" (Felderer, p.172).

Rudolf Hoess, one of three successive commanding officers at Auschwitz, was 
the only one to leave a confession. His description of the actual gassing 
procedures is remarkably short and vague, just as all other "eyewitness" 
accounts are vague, brief, and full of contradictions on many points. As 
described by Hoess: one-half hour after having released the gas, the Germans 
would open the door and turn on the fan, and immediately begin to remove the 
bodies. Hoess added that the crew in charge would remove the 2000 (!) bodies 
and begin transporting them to the crematory ovens while eating and smoking 
(quoted in Faurrison, "The Mechanics.", p.24). This confession implies that 
it is possible to enter an area saturated with hydrogen cyanide (HCN, Zyclon 
B) while taking no precautions for self-protection, and bare-handedly grasp 
2000 cadavers contaminated with the deadly gas. The air pockets between the 
bodies heaped on top of one another would have been filled with HCN.

This "confession" lacks plausibility and even common sense (many "survivors" 
and "eyewitnesses" swore to the SAME impossibility in court), and is in 
accord with revisionist claims that it is a fabrication extracted by 
torture. Yet, testimony by these claimants at Nuremberg and other post-war 
trials was readily accepted into the record, not allowed to be challenged, 
and believed as "gospel" by Allied judges anxious to do their duty for 
"humanity." And countless German military personnel, not guilty of any such 
crime, were executed on the basis of these claims by "survivors" that were 
NOT allowed to be questioned or cross-examined.

It was this particular part of my reading that drew me to examine and 
challenge those claims. I was an employee of E.I. DuPont at that time, and 
worked in a huge chemical plant, having experience working around HCN. Allow 
me to cite the DuPont Company Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on hydrogen 
cyanide (the primary element of Zyclon B), updated January 14, 1991. HCN is 
described as unstable with heat and extremely flammable. It is a fast acting 
poison and could be fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through the 
skin (remember the "eyewitness" accounts of SS men "smoking and eating," 
wearing NO protective equipment, while callously dragging gassed Jews out by 
the hair). The MSDS adds that in most cases cyanide poisoning causes a 
deceptively healthy pink to red skin color, and that skin permeation can 
occur in amounts capable of producing systemic toxicity. The user is 
cautioned to use the gas only in closed systems and with ventilation 
adequate to keep vapor concentrations below exposure limits. Warnings are 
given to evacuate the area immediately if HCN fumes are detected, and to don 
protective clothing before re-entry. The MINIMUM personal protective 
equipment recommended is goggles and rubber gloves, and the user should have 
at hand rubber suits and boots, a full-body chemical suit, and a 
self-contained breathing air supply. DuPont also warns that with eye or skin 
contact, one should immediately flush the eyes with plenty of water, remove 
contaminated clothing, including shoes, and wash the skin. Skin absorption 
can occur from cyanide dust, solutions, or HCN vapor (MSDS, pp. 3-10).

Therefore, the abundance of technical and physical impossibilities inherent 
in the confessions becomes apparent upon examination of the sites and the 
dimensions of the so-called gas chambers. The technical problems inherent in 
ANY plan to gas millions of people would have necessitated meetings of 
experts and the issuance of plans, instructions, and safety equipment. NO 
EVIDENCE that ANY of this was ever done by the National Socialist government 
has ever been found (Faurisson, "The Mechanics." p.29). Remember too, that 
passes would NOT have been granted to Germans in the camps, nor their 
families allowed to visit; prisoners who had served their sentences would 
not have been released or allowed to return to their respective countries, 
or the "extermination program" would have been revealed to the whole world!
Faurrison concludes his article with what he regards as THE criteria of 
FALSE EVIDENCE regarding the gas chambers. He avers that ALL of the 
statements, as vague and inconsistent as they may be, AGREE on ONE thing: 
the crew responsible for removing the bodies entered the site either 
"immediately" or "a few moments" after the deaths of the victims. Calling 
this a physical impossibility, he states: "I contend that this point alone 
constitutes the cornerstone of the false evidence, because this is a 
physical impossibility. If you encounter a person who believes in the 
existence of the 'gas chambers,' ask him how, in his opinion, the thousands 
of cadavers were removed to make room for the next batch (The Mechanics., 
p.30)."

Perhaps the most severe blow to the Extermination Thesis was delivered in 
1988 with the publication of "The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth." The 
author's treatise is a report on the technical aspects of the alleged 
execution chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek , Poland , using 
comparisons with American prison gas chamber designs and operations.

In states that use lethal gas for capital punishment, stringent rules and 
procedures must be met. All lighting and electrical hardware must be 
explosion-proof (NONE of the rooms designated as "gas chambers" had this 
feature). If you come home in the evening and open your home and smell gas, 
the one thing you know not to do is flip a light switch. The spark can cause 
an explosion. The chamber is operated under a vacuum so that any leak would 
be inward. An eminent authority on capital executions, Leuchter states that 
many complicated problems must be considered in the design of an execution 
gas chamber. A mistake may, and probably will, cause death or injury to 
anyone OUTSIDE the chamber (Leuchter, p.6). This expert says that an area of 
NINE square feet is the MINIMUM required for gas circulation around the 
occupant of any gas chamber. As the floor area for Auschwitz Krema 1 "gas 
chamber" is 844 square feet, allowance for gas circulation means that a 
maximum of 94 people could fit into this room at one time for execution. 
"Eyewitness testimony" places 600 people at a time in this room (Leuchter, 
p.11). Remember - NO questioning or cross-examining was allowed in the 
courts! How would YOU, as the accused, feel about YOUR defense attorneys 
being so handicapped, with your life on the line?

The tourist attractions exhibited to the public as "gas chambers" in all the 
camps examined by Leuchter have NO gasketed doors or windows, and very few 
have vents; the inside walls of the structures are not sealed to prevent 
leakage or absorption of the gas, so that the exposed, porous brick and 
mortar would accumulate HCN and be dangerous to humans for several years. 
The fact that these rooms identified as "gas chambers" are located right 
next to the crematories also would make them a prime source for explosion 
and fire. Very poor planning by those evil Germans, indeed!

Leuchter found that Krema 1 has floor drains connected to the main sewer of 
the camp. This would allow the heavier-than-air deadly HCN to get into every 
building at the facility, resulting in the deaths of even the Germans. The 
"gas chambers" here, as in ALL the camps, are too small to contain the 
numbers claimed. The doors to these rooms all open INWARD (another poor 
design consideration by those supposedly so efficient in mass slaughter; it 
would be quite difficult to push such a door open against the piles of 
bodies after a gassing). Also, enough LEAKAGE of the deadly gas would have 
occurred in ALL of the gas chambers to have killed the administering 
technicians (Leuchter, p.9).

Leuchter's strongest forensic evidence is the samples of brick, mortar, 
concrete, and sediment taken by his team from the three Polish camps. HCN 
and its compounds are very residual - they hang around for decades! Leuchter 
took 31 samples at the alleged gas chambers, and a control sample was taken 
>from delousing facility number one at Birkenau. The control sample, from the 
delousing chamber where clothing was treated to rid it of disease-causing 
lice, showed a very heavy cyanide content of 1050 milligrams per kilogram of 
brick. This is consistent with the use of Zyclon B as a delousing agent in 
that chamber. However, of the other 31 samples, from the supposed gas 
chambers, 17 had NO measurable trace of HCN, and the other 14 were all under 
8 milligrams - consistent with those locations having been deloused at some 
time. This scientific analysis supports the evidence that these facilities 
could NOT have been execution gas chambers. Of course, "eyewitness 
testimony" by those INCAPABLE of LYING was responsible for the death 
sentences given German camp personnel there as well as the camps in Germany 
proper, where the non-existence of homicidal gas chambers has been admitted 
even by the exterminationists. No charges of perjury, or suggestions of 
redress to the survivors of the wrongly and vindictively executed Germans, 
have ever been proffered by the moralistic proponents of the Extermination 
thesis.

Investigation of the CREMATIONS of the alleged gassing victims evinces the 
same degree of impossibility and contradiction. I took a tour of a modern 
crematory near my home city, interviewed the experienced technician, and 
learned what it takes to dispose of ONE body. I asked not only how much 
time, how much fuel, what temperature, and how much residue is left, but the 
possibility of multiple cremations in one oven. Rarely considered is the 
fact that the oven MUST undergo a cooling down period before the ashes and 
bits of bone remaining may be removed.

Those remnants fill a normal size shoe box. What I learned form this 
personal research was that NONE of the descriptions in the accusations made 
by "survivors" was even remotely possible except in their own minds. Four 
million shoe-boxes of ashes would have made quite a mound at Auschwitz . 
Where is it? The 60 pounds of coal/coke used by the Germans to cremate one 
body ALSO leaves residue - and if one multiplies that 60 pounds by the 
supposed 4 million bodies - WHERE did Germany get the 240 million pounds of 
coal, and HOW did they get it to Auschwitz ? As to the TIME required to 
cremate all those bodies (4 hours for each) - Leuchter says (p.10) that the 
capability of all the ovens at the entirety of Auschwitz could realistically 
cremate 207 bodies in 24 hours.

IF there were 4 million, and the 69 crematoria there worked around the clock 
with no shut down time for cleaning (an impossibility), the Germans would 
have still been cremating bodies until something like June of 1972!!! 
Please, please, Mr. "Survivor", Mr. "Eyewitness," explain this! Oh - you say 
that the bodies were mass-cremated, in that well-cited 50-foot long, 10-foot 
deep pit the awful Germans dug. FACTS: Auschwitz was built on swamp-like 
land; the water table there is 4 feet deep. That's right - once you reach 
that depth, WATER begins to seep into the hole you are digging. Ten foot 
deep trench? Sure!! Additionally - what fuel did they use in that pit? It 
doesn't matter - a high-enough temperature to cremate a human body CANNOT be 
reached in an open pit!! Once again, you accusers - EXPLAIN this!! Where are 
the tons of incomplete cremation remains?

I distinctly remember watching another of the myriad of "specials" on the 
"Holocaust" made in 1985, titled "A Painful Reminder." This was aired on the 
Discovery Channel out of Houston , and included the standard claims of 
"gassings" made by the interviewed "survivors." It was CLEARLY stated on 
this program that 279,000 bodies per MONTH (over 9,000 per day) were being 
cremated there in a continuous, round-the-clock operation. These phony 
"witnesses" were trying to make the numbers fit the story. Remember - German 
military and concentration camp personnel were EXECUTED on the basis of such 
unquestioned and unchallenged testimony.

Leuchter's own conclusion about his forensic examination there: "After 
reviewing all of the material and inspecting all the sites at Auschwitz , 
Birkenau, and Majdanek, your author finds the evidence overwhelming. There 
were no execution gas chambers at any of these locations. It is the best 
engineering opinion of this author that the alleged gas chambers at the 
inspected sites could not have been, or now, be utilized or seriously 
considered to function as execution gas chambers."

Imagine what such testimony, had it been allowed at the show trials after 
the war, would have done to these witnesses for hire who traveled from court 
to court to spout the same LIES. They knew, of course, that challenging 
their lies would not be allowed, nor would any cross-examination by the 
defense. They know this today, as well, and still make those claims before 
Americans in schoolrooms and elsewhere.

Consideration must be given to the numbers game played by the 
exterminationists and Jews as well. In brief - according to the study by 
Professor Sanning as well as information from the Encyclopedia Britannica, 
the total number of Jews that were ever under the expansion of the German 
military was 4 million. Today, you have at least 3.7 million drawing 
reparations as "survivors" and "victims." Please, I may not be a math major, 
but somehow I just cannot get six million dead Jews out of that, nor even a 
half a million.

Why the paradoxical reaction of Jews to revisionist contentions that Jews 
were not the victims of extermination, but survived the war? One would think 
that debunking of the myths would elicit a joyful response, especially from 
those who have believed for decades that their people were the victims of 
genocide. Consider these three probable reasons: (1) the Holocaust is a HUGE 
financial business with obscene profits and enormous amounts of gullible 
sympathy; (2) the Palestinian issue; and (3) the immense power and influence 
exercised by Zionists and other Jews upon the governments and media of the 
world, especially upon American foreign and domestic policy.

Most Americans are unaware of the billions paid to individual Jews as well 
as to Israel , a nation that did not even exist at the time of the alleged 
"genocide." The amount paid yearly to all these "victims" is based upon the 
now legendary "six million" figure, and as these reparations are STILL 
ongoing, any reduction in that number would be intolerable to the recipients 
of such largesse.

In essence, should revisionist findings be accurate and accepted as such, 
the goose that lays these golden eggs for Jewish coffers would disappear!! 
And those folks who have been forced to bear the guilt and pay this 
extortion for all these decades just might be a little upset over what have 
been done to them.

Israel was established in 1948 due in large part to the overwhelming 
SYMPATHY generated by these ridiculous accusations of genocide. The Zionists 
were given the land of the Palestinians by the British as a homeland for the 
Jewish state. The Palestinians thus became as victimized as the Germans by 
this massive LIE, as they have been a homeless, tortured people since then. 
They are indeed the REAL victims of not just the repressive Zionists, but an 
uninformed and misinformed world that does not want to hear of their grief 
and suffering - a world with little sympathy toward righting a decades old 
injustice.

As the United States government and all facets of the media played the key 
role in establishing the legend of genocide, this is why both institutions 
turn their backs upon revisionist findings. And it is also why they ignore 
attacks upon revisionists and Palestinians alike. Both also continue an 
ever-increasing effort to propagate the Extermination thesis. Several states 
have made "holocaust education" mandatory in their schools; US taxpayer 
funds are used to fund "Holocaust" museums and other tributes. No political 
lobby in the United States plays a more influential role in electing or 
defeating political candidates as do Jewish political action committees.

These are all factors in maintaining the "Holocaust" legend and also explain 
the silence of politicians on the subject. Jewish organizations are 
constantly pressuring all levels of government to adopt legislation that 
makes questioning or doubting the Holocaust a crime punishable by heavy fine 
and imprisonment. Their efforts have been successful in many foreign 
countries and are making headway here, in spite of our supposed 
Constitutional protection.

Why would key members of the US government have participated for so many 
years in perpetuating and supporting the legend? Besides 
self-aggrandizement, of course, obliteration by contrast is the likely 
reason. Without the genocide claim to use against Germany , several aspects 
of the initiation and conduct of the war by the Roosevelt administration 
would have not only come into question but caused much popular unrest in 
this country. The dubious story of the "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor, 
the cover up of the Soviet massacre of the Polish officer corps at Katyn 
(and blaming it on the Germans), Operation Keelhaul, the barbaric saturation 
bombings of non-military targets, and the orgy of rape and pillage engaged 
in by the Allies and resistance forces, could most justifiably be labeled 
"war crimes." But with the genocide claim against the Germans, all of these 
actions, as well as the decision by FDR, Churchill, and Stalin before the 
end of the war to divide Germany and Europe with the Soviets, are 
"justified." After all, any nation that would conduct genocide, especially 
against Jews, deserves every form of destruction and punishment it got!!

The veracity of revisionist claims may only be properly evaluated if they 
receive a hearing. But such a hearing is vociferously opposed by Jews and 
their lackeys in government and media. Their only answer to our research is 
personal attacks, including beatings (Faurrison), destroying livelihoods 
(Leuchter, Zundel, and others), and name-calling. One has to wonder - if 
revisionists are indeed "flat-earth" fools, and the Jews and 
exterminationists are holding all the aces - of WHAT are they afraid?

Personal Conclusions

If this author comes across as angry about this entire issue, that is 
because I am certainly angry! After examining the issue from more than one 
side, seeing the forensic and scientific evidence offered by the 
revisionists, and in essence giving a hearing that was NOT allowed at the 
shameful post-war courts, I easily came to the conclusion that this whole 
"Holocaust" is nothing more than a "HOLO-HOAX," and deserves to be exposed 
for what it has been all along - an extortion crime of the worst degree. I 
even learned in my search that this SAME claim of genocide and of millions 
dead was floated by the Zionists after World War 1, but it was immediately 
recognized for the lie that it was, and given short shrift. I am also angry 
about the personal attacks upon legitimate scholars who question this 
historical non-event, the beatings, destruction of property, and the 
impunity with which such thugs operate in MY country. The kowtowing by 
politicians, media people, clergy, and academia to these arrogant FRAUDS is 
a disgrace. I, for one, have put my foot down.

No more unchallenged fairy tales by "survivors" as long as I am able to 
speak out!
If your community is like mine, it is visited on occasion by another of the 
millions of "holocaust survivors," who speak in our churches and our schools 
about the suffering they endured at the hands of those evil Germans, while 
the world stood by and did nothing! I do not know about you, but I am way 
past being tired of their totally baseless whining, lies, and extortion. 
Certainly, a number of Jews did suffer the depredations of war - but no more 
than any other peoples. Those responsible for the executions and extortion 
payments in the form of reparations should be made to face the music of 
perjury trials at the very minimum. When they cry that they lost their 
entire family - MANY people lost their entire families in that war, and Jews 
deserve no more or no less sympathy than anyone else. I'll admit, however, 
that it is quite difficult to feel sympathy for the legions of lying 
vampires who rake in tons of extortion money off the labor of falsely 
accused people every year. The German nation should be exonerated of this 
despicably assigned GUILT, and the historical record set straight. It is 
past time to get in the faces of these LIARS, and put them to the test with 
honest questioning. They will not engage in debate, unless they can turn the 
debate AWAY from the intellectual and logical to the EMOTIONAL - which they 
will do every time! They know that in any debate between logic and emotion, 
logic loses every time! Thus their personal attacks upon those who question 
them, and the inevitable name calling - Nazi, anti-Semite, and others. To 
those who push and support this Holocaust fairy tale, I say, IF it is an 
historical event, then it is as subject to dissection and discussion as any 
other historical event. IF, on the other hand, it is a religion - which is 
certainly what its adherents have made of it over the decades - then get it 
out of our schools!! Here's another confession from this confirmed 
"Holocaust" denier - "sticks and stones.."

Bibliography

Butz, Arthur R.: The Hoax of the 20th Century. Richmond , Surrey , England : 
Historical Review Press, 1976
DuPont Material Safety Data Sheet (Hydrogen Cyanide): Hazardous Materials 
Manual, 1991 Ed.
Faurrison, Robert: "The Mechanics of Gassing." Journal of Historical Review, 
1.1 (1980), pp. 23-30
Faurrison, Robert: "The Problem of the 'Gas Chambers'." Journal of 
Historical Review, 1.2 (1980), p.1.
Felderer, Ditlieb: " Auschwitz Notebook." Journal of Historical Review, 1.2 
(1980), pp. 169-172
Irving, David: "Battleship Auschwitz ." Journal of Historical Review, 10.4 
(1990), pp.491-508
Leuchter, Fred A.: The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth, Toronto : 
Samisdat Publishers, Ltd., 1988
Sanning, Walter N.: The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. Torrance , 
Ca.: Institute for Historical Review, 1983.
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, Ca.: Institute for Historical Review, 1983

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 How I became a "Holocaust denier"


I began my questioning and search for truth regarding the much ballyhooed 
"Holocaust" in 1974. Like nearly every American, I fully accepted at face 
value the claims of "survivors," the videos and photos shown on television, 
and the very regular pronouncements from the media, dais, and pulpit about 
the "horrible extermination campaign" conducted against Jews by Hitler's 
Germany . What spurred me to question the details of this unspeakable crime? 
Reading a paper titled "Did Six Million Really Die?", my work experience in 
a chemical plant and the handling of hydrogen cyanide, and reading the 
accounts of "survivors" from the post-war trials which essentially 
established the legend of mass extermination that came to be termed the 
"Holocaust."

The first thing I did as a seeker of truth was to get a definition of 
"Holocaust," which was and is readily available in countless books on the 
subject. That definition was/is described as "the planned and activated 
extermination of members of the Jewish race, numbering some six million, by 
National Socialist Germany primarily through the use of Zyclon B ( a 
commercial preparation containing hydrogen cyanide) used to disinfect 
clothing at the various labor camps during World War II." With this 
definition forming the guidelines, I began my quest.

Those who have challenged the "establishment" viewpoint are known as 
"revisionists," and their position on the subject is: there was NO attempt 
by National Socialist Germany to exterminate ANY ethnic group. Revisionists 
agree that many deaths occurred in the camps due to disease, starvation, and 
the horrid conditions of war, but "gas chambers" for homicidal purposes were 
non-existent. Those who accept the conventional view as true are designated 
as "exterminationists" by revisionists.

What jumped at this researcher immediately upon closer examination of the 
stories of extermination were the many credible arguments against such a 
program, as advanced by revisionists. The technical and physical 
impossibilities of the claims of alleged gassings and cremations as espoused 
by "eyewitnesses" at the post-war trials immediately fly in the face of 
scientific fact. Unfortunately, such claims were NOT allowed to be 
questioned by the defense, nor those witnesses allowed to be cross examined. 
Before an analysis of such claims, a chronological background on the origins 
of "denial" is necessary for a proper understanding of revisionist 
contentions.

In 1961, Professor Paul Rassinier of France became the first author to 
refute the accuracy of claims of genocide in print. Francis P. Yockey's 
"Imperium," published in 1948, did cast doubt upon the claims, but did not 
deal directly with the subject. Rassinier, a socialist and member of the 
French resistance, had been captured and interned in the concentration camps 
of Buchenwald and Dora. Liberated in 1945, he returned to France as an 
invalid, and was shortly very puzzled, then outraged, at the claims of 
"genocide" and gas chambers, particularly regarding the two camps where he 
had been a prisoner. He had seen no evidence of any such activities as an 
inmate there, and Rassinier certainly had no love for the Germans. His 
initial work on the extermination of the Jews, "The Lie of Ulysses," 
followed in 1964 by his "The Drama of the European Jews," called into 
question the "Holocaust" legend.

The year 1976 featured the appearance of a thorough and well-documented 
revisionist treatise by Dr. Arthur R. Butz of Northwestern University . "The 
Hoax of the 20th Century" dissected the extermination claims from pre-war 
and post war population statistics; the crucial role played by the Allied 
trials and their extreme importance in implanting the legend were also 
addressed by Butz: ".it is a fact that without the evidence generated at 
these trials, there would be no significant evidence that the program of 
killing Jews ever existed at all.If the trials had not been held, a person 
claiming the existence of an extermination program could not, if challenged, 
produce any evidence for this save a few books.whose claims are just as 
unsupported as his original claim. Thus the problem that had been involved 
in deciding whether or not to try mass murder; unlike the usual murder case, 
there was legitimate and very solid doubt that the deed had been committed 
at all.

"This may surprise the reader who regards the tale of Jewish extermination 
as a near certainty; such is simply not the case. There are many 
considerations supporting this view and some are so simple that they may 
surprise the reader even further. The simplest valid reason for being 
skeptical about the extermination claim is also the simplest conceivable 
reason; at the end of the war they were still there" (Butz, page 10).

Adding credence to the claims made by Butz is the 1983 publication by Walter 
N. Sanning, "The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry." This detailed 
demographic study offers evidence that the vast majority of the 
"exterminated" Jews did indeed survive, being absorbed primarily into the 
Soviet Union, Palestine , and the United States . Professor Sanning 
challenges the exterminationist school of thought: "The purpose of this 
analysis was not to investigate the content of truth in the 'Holocaust' 
story, but to outline the extent and the direction of the Jewish population 
movement before, during, and after World War II. If the developments as 
traced here are in conflict with the taboos of contemporary historians, it 
is THEIR (emphasis added) task to reconsider an untenable position."

In his booklet, "The Holocaust - 120 Questions and Answers," Dr. Charles E. 
Weber does a masterful job of provoking thought while keeping his approach 
simple and plain-spoken. This 1983 publication addresses a myriad of issues 
related to the Holocaust legend, and reminds the reader from the outset that 
the funding available to those who disseminate material from the 
exterminationist viewpoint far outweighs the minute resources available to 
the revisionist (p.8). This is, of course, a major factor in the relative 
obscurity of revisionist research and conclusions on the issue.

One of the most definitive books on the conduct of "war crimes" trials, "The 
Auschwitz Myth," by Dr. Wilhelm Staglich, gives one insight into the show 
trial and political nature of Allied courtroom procedures. This 1986 
publication stresses the ignoring of proper judicial standards and the 
appalling way in which the search for TRUTH was impeded rather than 
furthered by the court. Not many are aware that "eyewitnesses" were NOT 
allowed to be cross-examined by the defense, nor were they ever subjected to 
enforcement of the perjury oath. Additionally, "witnesses" traveled from 
court to court making the same unchallenged claims, saying they had been at 
each camp.

By October of 1990 the revisionist assault on the legend had come full 
circle with the admission by Great Britain's leading historian and authority 
on World War II, David Irving, that he was now convinced of the fraudulent 
nature of the entire extermination thesis ("Battleship Auschwitz ," pp. 
498-499), and would include a statement to this effect in new editions of 
his previously published books.

TECHNICAL ASPECTS

According to revisionist investigation, NONE of the alleged "gas chambers" 
had ventilation or exhaust systems capable of handling the gassing of 
inmates. The square footage in ALL of the "chambers" would allow for a 
hypothetical total of 123,976 gassings in ALL the years of the supposed 
"genocide" program (The Leuchter Report, p. 14). In September of 1989, the 
Russians released the Auschwitz death books (the Germans were meticulous 
record keepers), which show a death toll of 74,000 at that camp from ALL 
CAUSES ( Irving , p. 500). Confessions from Germans, obtained by TORTURE, 
"eyewitness" testimony, and exterminationist historians put the number 
gassed at Auschwitz alone at 4 million. This massive contradiction deserves 
further examination in the interest of historical truth. This figure has now 
been revised downward, to just over a million, thanks to the fear of 
revisionist discoveries and publishings. Notably, however, that reduction 
did nothing regarding the claim of six-million dead!!

On August 19, 1960, the director of the prestigious Institute for 
Contemporary History in Munich, Dr. Martin Broszat, announced to his amazed 
countrymen that there had NEVER been a "gas chamber" in the entirety of the 
German Reich, but only a few in other places, namely in occupied Poland 
(Robert Faurrison, "The Problem of the Gas Chambers," pp. 107-108). This 
announcement flew in the face of those who swore to mass killings in German 
camps, but that was never brought up, of course!

Broszat has NEVER provided an explanation for this contention. Professor 
Robert Faurrison of France asks: 1. How does Dr. Broszat know that the "gas 
chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds? 2. How does he know that the "gas 
chambers" in Poland are genuine? 3. Why do the proofs and certainties and 
eyewitness accounts concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly 
have no value, while these SAME criteria still remain true for the camps in 
Poland (p. 108)? Think about those questions!!

As the exterminationists themselves have since abandoned the claims of the 
use of gas chambers in Germany proper, primary attention will now be devoted 
to the main camps in Poland , which would be Majdanek and 
Auschwitz-Birkenau. Pertinent to this, however, is the confession regarding 
the German camp of Bergen-Belsen .

Two of the pillars upon which rest the claims of the exterminationist 
historians and the "survivors" and "eyewitnesses" are the confessions of 
Kurt Gerstein and Rudolf Hoess. Gerstein, one-time commandant of 
Bergen-Belsen, states in his confession that 700 to 800 people went into 
each of the four chambers each time the gassings took place. The size of 
each room varies slightly, but worked out in terms of occupant per square 
meter (approximately a square 3 feet by 3 feet), and according to those 
"eyewitnesses," those rooms would have had a minimum of 30 to a maximum of 
40 individuals in each square meter (Felderer, p. 170). I ask you, dear 
reader, to draw on your floor or the ground, a square of 3 feet by 3 feet. 
Then imagine just how many people you could cram into that square. Thirty? 
Forty? I don't think so!! Revisionist Ditlieb Felderer concludes, "In spite 
of all the absurdities, impossibilities, erroneous and contradictory 
figures, the 'Gerstein Statement" continues to maintain its supremacy in 
Exterminationist lore. Perhaps this is just as well, from a cynical 
Revisionist viewpoint, for few things could better illustrate the mythical 
nature of the 'Holocaust' than this very item" (Felderer, p.172).

Rudolf Hoess, one of three successive commanding officers at Auschwitz, was 
the only one to leave a confession. His description of the actual gassing 
procedures is remarkably short and vague, just as all other "eyewitness" 
accounts are vague, brief, and full of contradictions on many points. As 
described by Hoess: one-half hour after having released the gas, the Germans 
would open the door and turn on the fan, and immediately begin to remove the 
bodies. Hoess added that the crew in charge would remove the 2000 (!) bodies 
and begin transporting them to the crematory ovens while eating and smoking 
(quoted in Faurrison, "The Mechanics.", p.24). This confession implies that 
it is possible to enter an area saturated with hydrogen cyanide (HCN, Zyclon 
B) while taking no precautions for self-protection, and bare-handedly grasp 
2000 cadavers contaminated with the deadly gas. The air pockets between the 
bodies heaped on top of one another would have been filled with HCN.

This "confession" lacks plausibility and even common sense (many "survivors" 
and "eyewitnesses" swore to the SAME impossibility in court), and is in 
accord with revisionist claims that it is a fabrication extracted by 
torture. Yet, testimony by these claimants at Nuremberg and other post-war 
trials was readily accepted into the record, not allowed to be challenged, 
and believed as "gospel" by Allied judges anxious to do their duty for 
"humanity." And countless German military personnel, not guilty of any such 
crime, were executed on the basis of these claims by "survivors" that were 
NOT allowed to be questioned or cross-examined.

It was this particular part of my reading that drew me to examine and 
challenge those claims. I was an employee of E.I. DuPont at that time, and 
worked in a huge chemical plant, having experience working around HCN. Allow 
me to cite the DuPont Company Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on hydrogen 
cyanide (the primary element of Zyclon B), updated January 14, 1991. HCN is 
described as unstable with heat and extremely flammable. It is a fast acting 
poison and could be fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through the 
skin (remember the "eyewitness" accounts of SS men "smoking and eating," 
wearing NO protective equipment, while callously dragging gassed Jews out by 
the hair). The MSDS adds that in most cases cyanide poisoning causes a 
deceptively healthy pink to red skin color, and that skin permeation can 
occur in amounts capable of producing systemic toxicity. The user is 
cautioned to use the gas only in closed systems and with ventilation 
adequate to keep vapor concentrations below exposure limits. Warnings are 
given to evacuate the area immediately if HCN fumes are detected, and to don 
protective clothing before re-entry. The MINIMUM personal protective 
equipment recommended is goggles and rubber gloves, and the user should have 
at hand rubber suits and boots, a full-body chemical suit, and a 
self-contained breathing air supply. DuPont also warns that with eye or skin 
contact, one should immediately flush the eyes with plenty of water, remove 
contaminated clothing, including shoes, and wash the skin. Skin absorption 
can occur from cyanide dust, solutions, or HCN vapor (MSDS, pp. 3-10).

Therefore, the abundance of technical and physical impossibilities inherent 
in the confessions becomes apparent upon examination of the sites and the 
dimensions of the so-called gas chambers. The technical problems inherent in 
ANY plan to gas millions of people would have necessitated meetings of 
experts and the issuance of plans, instructions, and safety equipment. NO 
EVIDENCE that ANY of this was ever done by the National Socialist government 
has ever been found (Faurisson, "The Mechanics." p.29). Remember too, that 
passes would NOT have been granted to Germans in the camps, nor their 
families allowed to visit; prisoners who had served their sentences would 
not have been released or allowed to return to their respective countries, 
or the "extermination program" would have been revealed to the whole world!
Faurrison concludes his article with what he regards as THE criteria of 
FALSE EVIDENCE regarding the gas chambers. He avers that ALL of the 
statements, as vague and inconsistent as they may be, AGREE on ONE thing: 
the crew responsible for removing the bodies entered the site either 
"immediately" or "a few moments" after the deaths of the victims. Calling 
this a physical impossibility, he states: "I contend that this point alone 
constitutes the cornerstone of the false evidence, because this is a 
physical impossibility. If you encounter a person who believes in the 
existence of the 'gas chambers,' ask him how, in his opinion, the thousands 
of cadavers were removed to make room for the next batch (The Mechanics., 
p.30)."

Perhaps the most severe blow to the Extermination Thesis was delivered in 
1988 with the publication of "The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth." The 
author's treatise is a report on the technical aspects of the alleged 
execution chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek , Poland , using 
comparisons with American prison gas chamber designs and operations.

In states that use lethal gas for capital punishment, stringent rules and 
procedures must be met. All lighting and electrical hardware must be 
explosion-proof (NONE of the rooms designated as "gas chambers" had this 
feature). If you come home in the evening and open your home and smell gas, 
the one thing you know not to do is flip a light switch. The spark can cause 
an explosion. The chamber is operated under a vacuum so that any leak would 
be inward. An eminent authority on capital executions, Leuchter states that 
many complicated problems must be considered in the design of an execution 
gas chamber. A mistake may, and probably will, cause death or injury to 
anyone OUTSIDE the chamber (Leuchter, p.6). This expert says that an area of 
NINE square feet is the MINIMUM required for gas circulation around the 
occupant of any gas chamber. As the floor area for Auschwitz Krema 1 "gas 
chamber" is 844 square feet, allowance for gas circulation means that a 
maximum of 94 people could fit into this room at one time for execution. 
"Eyewitness testimony" places 600 people at a time in this room (Leuchter, 
p.11). Remember - NO questioning or cross-examining was allowed in the 
courts! How would YOU, as the accused, feel about YOUR defense attorneys 
being so handicapped, with your life on the line?

The tourist attractions exhibited to the public as "gas chambers" in all the 
camps examined by Leuchter have NO gasketed doors or windows, and very few 
have vents; the inside walls of the structures are not sealed to prevent 
leakage or absorption of the gas, so that the exposed, porous brick and 
mortar would accumulate HCN and be dangerous to humans for several years. 
The fact that these rooms identified as "gas chambers" are located right 
next to the crematories also would make them a prime source for explosion 
and fire. Very poor planning by those evil Germans, indeed!

Leuchter found that Krema 1 has floor drains connected to the main sewer of 
the camp. This would allow the heavier-than-air deadly HCN to get into every 
building at the facility, resulting in the deaths of even the Germans. The 
"gas chambers" here, as in ALL the camps, are too small to contain the 
numbers claimed. The doors to these rooms all open INWARD (another poor 
design consideration by those supposedly so efficient in mass slaughter; it 
would be quite difficult to push such a door open against the piles of 
bodies after a gassing). Also, enough LEAKAGE of the deadly gas would have 
occurred in ALL of the gas chambers to have killed the administering 
technicians (Leuchter, p.9).

Leuchter's strongest forensic evidence is the samples of brick, mortar, 
concrete, and sediment taken by his team from the three Polish camps. HCN 
and its compounds are very residual - they hang around for decades! Leuchter 
took 31 samples at the alleged gas chambers, and a control sample was taken 
>from delousing facility number one at Birkenau. The control sample, from the 
delousing chamber where clothing was treated to rid it of disease-causing 
lice, showed a very heavy cyanide content of 1050 milligrams per kilogram of 
brick. This is consistent with the use of Zyclon B as a delousing agent in 
that chamber. However, of the other 31 samples, from the supposed gas 
chambers, 17 had NO measurable trace of HCN, and the other 14 were all under 
8 milligrams - consistent with those locations having been deloused at some 
time. This scientific analysis supports the evidence that these facilities 
could NOT have been execution gas chambers. Of course, "eyewitness 
testimony" by those INCAPABLE of LYING was responsible for the death 
sentences given German camp personnel there as well as the camps in Germany 
proper, where the non-existence of homicidal gas chambers has been admitted 
even by the exterminationists. No charges of perjury, or suggestions of 
redress to the survivors of the wrongly and vindictively executed Germans, 
have ever been proffered by the moralistic proponents of the Extermination 
thesis.

Investigation of the CREMATIONS of the alleged gassing victims evinces the 
same degree of impossibility and contradiction. I took a tour of a modern 
crematory near my home city, interviewed the experienced technician, and 
learned what it takes to dispose of ONE body. I asked not only how much 
time, how much fuel, what temperature, and how much residue is left, but the 
possibility of multiple cremations in one oven. Rarely considered is the 
fact that the oven MUST undergo a cooling down period before the ashes and 
bits of bone remaining may be removed.

Those remnants fill a normal size shoe box. What I learned form this 
personal research was that NONE of the descriptions in the accusations made 
by "survivors" was even remotely possible except in their own minds. Four 
million shoe-boxes of ashes would have made quite a mound at Auschwitz . 
Where is it? The 60 pounds of coal/coke used by the Germans to cremate one 
body ALSO leaves residue - and if one multiplies that 60 pounds by the 
supposed 4 million bodies - WHERE did Germany get the 240 million pounds of 
coal, and HOW did they get it to Auschwitz ? As to the TIME required to 
cremate all those bodies (4 hours for each) - Leuchter says (p.10) that the 
capability of all the ovens at the entirety of Auschwitz could realistically 
cremate 207 bodies in 24 hours.

IF there were 4 million, and the 69 crematoria there worked around the clock 
with no shut down time for cleaning (an impossibility), the Germans would 
have still been cremating bodies until something like June of 1972!!! 
Please, please, Mr. "Survivor", Mr. "Eyewitness," explain this! Oh - you say 
that the bodies were mass-cremated, in that well-cited 50-foot long, 10-foot 
deep pit the awful Germans dug. FACTS: Auschwitz was built on swamp-like 
land; the water table there is 4 feet deep. That's right - once you reach 
that depth, WATER begins to seep into the hole you are digging. Ten foot 
deep trench? Sure!! Additionally - what fuel did they use in that pit? It 
doesn't matter - a high-enough temperature to cremate a human body CANNOT be 
reached in an open pit!! Once again, you accusers - EXPLAIN this!! Where are 
the tons of incomplete cremation remains?

I distinctly remember watching another of the myriad of "specials" on the 
"Holocaust" made in 1985, titled "A Painful Reminder." This was aired on the 
Discovery Channel out of Houston , and included the standard claims of 
"gassings" made by the interviewed "survivors." It was CLEARLY stated on 
this program that 279,000 bodies per MONTH (over 9,000 per day) were being 
cremated there in a continuous, round-the-clock operation. These phony 
"witnesses" were trying to make the numbers fit the story. Remember - German 
military and concentration camp personnel were EXECUTED on the basis of such 
unquestioned and unchallenged testimony.

Leuchter's own conclusion about his forensic examination there: "After 
reviewing all of the material and inspecting all the sites at Auschwitz , 
Birkenau, and Majdanek, your author finds the evidence overwhelming. There 
were no execution gas chambers at any of these locations. It is the best 
engineering opinion of this author that the alleged gas chambers at the 
inspected sites could not have been, or now, be utilized or seriously 
considered to function as execution gas chambers."

Imagine what such testimony, had it been allowed at the show trials after 
the war, would have done to these witnesses for hire who traveled from court 
to court to spout the same LIES. They knew, of course, that challenging 
their lies would not be allowed, nor would any cross-examination by the 
defense. They know this today, as well, and still make those claims before 
Americans in schoolrooms and elsewhere.

Consideration must be given to the numbers game played by the 
exterminationists and Jews as well. In brief - according to the study by 
Professor Sanning as well as information from the Encyclopedia Britannica, 
the total number of Jews that were ever under the expansion of the German 
military was 4 million. Today, you have at least 3.7 million drawing 
reparations as "survivors" and "victims." Please, I may not be a math major, 
but somehow I just cannot get six million dead Jews out of that, nor even a 
half a million.

Why the paradoxical reaction of Jews to revisionist contentions that Jews 
were not the victims of extermination, but survived the war? One would think 
that debunking of the myths would elicit a joyful response, especially from 
those who have believed for decades that their people were the victims of 
genocide. Consider these three probable reasons: (1) the Holocaust is a HUGE 
financial business with obscene profits and enormous amounts of gullible 
sympathy; (2) the Palestinian issue; and (3) the immense power and influence 
exercised by Zionists and other Jews upon the governments and media of the 
world, especially upon American foreign and domestic policy.

Most Americans are unaware of the billions paid to individual Jews as well 
as to Israel , a nation that did not even exist at the time of the alleged 
"genocide." The amount paid yearly to all these "victims" is based upon the 
now legendary "six million" figure, and as these reparations are STILL 
ongoing, any reduction in that number would be intolerable to the recipients 
of such largesse.

In essence, should revisionist findings be accurate and accepted as such, 
the goose that lays these golden eggs for Jewish coffers would disappear!! 
And those folks who have been forced to bear the guilt and pay this 
extortion for all these decades just might be a little upset over what have 
been done to them.

Israel was established in 1948 due in large part to the overwhelming 
SYMPATHY generated by these ridiculous accusations of genocide. The Zionists 
were given the land of the Palestinians by the British as a homeland for the 
Jewish state. The Palestinians thus became as victimized as the Germans by 
this massive LIE, as they have been a homeless, tortured people since then. 
They are indeed the REAL victims of not just the repressive Zionists, but an 
uninformed and misinformed world that does not want to hear of their grief 
and suffering - a world with little sympathy toward righting a decades old 
injustice.

As the United States government and all facets of the media played the key 
role in establishing the legend of genocide, this is why both institutions 
turn their backs upon revisionist findings. And it is also why they ignore 
attacks upon revisionists and Palestinians alike. Both also continue an 
ever-increasing effort to propagate the Extermination thesis. Several states 
have made "holocaust education" mandatory in their schools; US taxpayer 
funds are used to fund "Holocaust" museums and other tributes. No political 
lobby in the United States plays a more influential role in electing or 
defeating political candidates as do Jewish political action committees.

These are all factors in maintaining the "Holocaust" legend and also explain 
the silence of politicians on the subject. Jewish organizations are 
constantly pressuring all levels of government to adopt legislation that 
makes questioning or doubting the Holocaust a crime punishable by heavy fine 
and imprisonment. Their efforts have been successful in many foreign 
countries and are making headway here, in spite of our supposed 
Constitutional protection.

Why would key members of the US government have participated for so many 
years in perpetuating and supporting the legend? Besides 
self-aggrandizement, of course, obliteration by contrast is the likely 
reason. Without the genocide claim to use against Germany , several aspects 
of the initiation and conduct of the war by the Roosevelt administration 
would have not only come into question but caused much popular unrest in 
this country. The dubious story of the "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor, 
the cover up of the Soviet massacre of the Polish officer corps at Katyn 
(and blaming it on the Germans), Operation Keelhaul, the barbaric saturation 
bombings of non-military targets, and the orgy of rape and pillage engaged 
in by the Allies and resistance forces, could most justifiably be labeled 
"war crimes." But with the genocide claim against the Germans, all of these 
actions, as well as the decision by FDR, Churchill, and Stalin before the 
end of the war to divide Germany and Europe with the Soviets, are 
"justified." After all, any nation that would conduct genocide, especially 
against Jews, deserves every form of destruction and punishment it got!!

The veracity of revisionist claims may only be properly evaluated if they 
receive a hearing. But such a hearing is vociferously opposed by Jews and 
their lackeys in government and media. Their only answer to our research is 
personal attacks, including beatings (Faurrison), destroying livelihoods 
(Leuchter, Zundel, and others), and name-calling. One has to wonder - if 
revisionists are indeed "flat-earth" fools, and the Jews and 
exterminationists are holding all the aces - of WHAT are they afraid?

Personal Conclusions

If this author comes across as angry about this entire issue, that is 
because I am certainly angry! After examining the issue from more than one 
side, seeing the forensic and scientific evidence offered by the 
revisionists, and in essence giving a hearing that was NOT allowed at the 
shameful post-war courts, I easily came to the conclusion that this whole 
"Holocaust" is nothing more than a "HOLO-HOAX," and deserves to be exposed 
for what it has been all along - an extortion crime of the worst degree. I 
even learned in my search that this SAME claim of genocide and of millions 
dead was floated by the Zionists after World War 1, but it was immediately 
recognized for the lie that it was, and given short shrift. I am also angry 
about the personal attacks upon legitimate scholars who question this 
historical non-event, the beatings, destruction of property, and the 
impunity with which such thugs operate in MY country. The kowtowing by 
politicians, media people, clergy, and academia to these arrogant FRAUDS is 
a disgrace. I, for one, have put my foot down.

No more unchallenged fairy tales by "survivors" as long as I am able to 
speak out!
If your community is like mine, it is visited on occasion by another of the 
millions of "holocaust survivors," who speak in our churches and our schools 
about the suffering they endured at the hands of those evil Germans, while 
the world stood by and did nothing! I do not know about you, but I am way 
past being tired of their totally baseless whining, lies, and extortion. 
Certainly, a number of Jews did suffer the depredations of war - but no more 
than any other peoples. Those responsible for the executions and extortion 
payments in the form of reparations should be made to face the music of 
perjury trials at the very minimum. When they cry that they lost their 
entire family - MANY people lost their entire families in that war, and Jews 
deserve no more or no less sympathy than anyone else. I'll admit, however, 
that it is quite difficult to feel sympathy for the legions of lying 
vampires who rake in tons of extortion money off the labor of falsely 
accused people every year. The German nation should be exonerated of this 
despicably assigned GUILT, and the historical record set straight. It is 
past time to get in the faces of these LIARS, and put them to the test with 
honest questioning. They will not engage in debate, unless they can turn the 
debate AWAY from the intellectual and logical to the EMOTIONAL - which they 
will do every time! They know that in any debate between logic and emotion, 
logic loses every time! Thus their personal attacks upon those who question 
them, and the inevitable name calling - Nazi, anti-Semite, and others. To 
those who push and support this Holocaust fairy tale, I say, IF it is an 
historical event, then it is as subject to dissection and discussion as any 
other historical event. IF, on the other hand, it is a religion - which is 
certainly what its adherents have made of it over the decades - then get it 
out of our schools!! Here's another confession from this confirmed 
"Holocaust" denier - "sticks and stones.."

Bibliography

Butz, Arthur R.: The Hoax of the 20th Century. Richmond , Surrey , England : 
Historical Review Press, 1976
DuPont Material Safety Data Sheet (Hydrogen Cyanide): Hazardous Materials 
Manual, 1991 Ed.
Faurrison, Robert: "The Mechanics of Gassing." Journal of Historical Review, 
1.1 (1980), pp. 23-30
Faurrison, Robert: "The Problem of the 'Gas Chambers'." Journal of 
Historical Review, 1.2 (1980), p.1.
Felderer, Ditlieb: " Auschwitz Notebook." Journal of Historical Review, 1.2 
(1980), pp. 169-172
Irving, David: "Battleship Auschwitz ." Journal of Historical Review, 10.4 
(1990), pp.491-508
Leuchter, Fred A.: The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth, Toronto : 
Samisdat Publishers, Ltd., 1988
Sanning, Walter N.: The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. Torrance , 
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Weber, Dr. Charles E.: "The Holocaust - 120 Questions and answers." Torrance 
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I began my questioning and search for truth regarding the much ballyhooed 
"Holocaust" in 1974. Like nearly every American, I fully accepted at face 
value the claims of "survivors," the videos and photos shown on television, 
and the very regular pronouncements from the media, dais, and pulpit about 
the "horrible extermination campaign" conducted against Jews by Hitler's 
Germany . What spurred me to question the details of this unspeakable crime? 
Reading a paper titled "Did Six Million Really Die?", my work experience in 
a chemical plant and the handling of hydrogen cyanide, and reading the 
accounts of "survivors" from the post-war trials which essentially 
established the legend of mass extermination that came to be termed the 
"Holocaust."

The first thing I did as a seeker of truth was to get a definition of 
"Holocaust," which was and is readily available in countless books on the 
subject. That definition was/is described as "the planned and activated 
extermination of members of the Jewish race, numbering some six million, by 
National Socialist Germany primarily through the use of Zyclon B ( a 
commercial preparation containing hydrogen cyanide) used to disinfect 
clothing at the various labor camps during World War II." With this 
definition forming the guidelines, I began my quest.

Those who have challenged the "establishment" viewpoint are known as 
"revisionists," and their position on the subject is: there was NO attempt 
by National Socialist Germany to exterminate ANY ethnic group. Revisionists 
agree that many deaths occurred in the camps due to disease, starvation, and 
the horrid conditions of war, but "gas chambers" for homicidal purposes were 
non-existent. Those who accept the conventional view as true are designated 
as "exterminationists" by revisionists.

What jumped at this researcher immediately upon closer examination of the 
stories of extermination were the many credible arguments against such a 
program, as advanced by revisionists. The technical and physical 
impossibilities of the claims of alleged gassings and cremations as espoused 
by "eyewitnesses" at the post-war trials immediately fly in the face of 
scientific fact. Unfortunately, such claims were NOT allowed to be 
questioned by the defense, nor those witnesses allowed to be cross examined. 
Before an analysis of such claims, a chronological background on the origins 
of "denial" is necessary for a proper understanding of revisionist 
contentions.

In 1961, Professor Paul Rassinier of France became the first author to 
refute the accuracy of claims of genocide in print. Francis P. Yockey's 
"Imperium," published in 1948, did cast doubt upon the claims, but did not 
deal directly with the subject. Rassinier, a socialist and member of the 
French resistance, had been captured and interned in the concentration camps 
of Buchenwald and Dora. Liberated in 1945, he returned to France as an 
invalid, and was shortly very puzzled, then outraged, at the claims of 
"genocide" and gas chambers, particularly regarding the two camps where he 
had been a prisoner. He had seen no evidence of any such activities as an 
inmate there, and Rassinier certainly had no love for the Germans. His 
initial work on the extermination of the Jews, "The Lie of Ulysses," 
followed in 1964 by his "The Drama of the European Jews," called into 
question the "Holocaust" legend.

The year 1976 featured the appearance of a thorough and well-documented 
revisionist treatise by Dr. Arthur R. Butz of Northwestern University . "The 
Hoax of the 20th Century" dissected the extermination claims from pre-war 
and post war population statistics; the crucial role played by the Allied 
trials and their extreme importance in implanting the legend were also 
addressed by Butz: ".it is a fact that without the evidence generated at 
these trials, there would be no significant evidence that the program of 
killing Jews ever existed at all.If the trials had not been held, a person 
claiming the existence of an extermination program could not, if challenged, 
produce any evidence for this save a few books.whose claims are just as 
unsupported as his original claim. Thus the problem that had been involved 
in deciding whether or not to try mass murder; unlike the usual murder case, 
there was legitimate and very solid doubt that the deed had been committed 
at all.

"This may surprise the reader who regards the tale of Jewish extermination 
as a near certainty; such is simply not the case. There are many 
considerations supporting this view and some are so simple that they may 
surprise the reader even further. The simplest valid reason for being 
skeptical about the extermination claim is also the simplest conceivable 
reason; at the end of the war they were still there" (Butz, page 10).

Adding credence to the claims made by Butz is the 1983 publication by Walter 
N. Sanning, "The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry." This detailed 
demographic study offers evidence that the vast majority of the 
"exterminated" Jews did indeed survive, being absorbed primarily into the 
Soviet Union, Palestine , and the United States . Professor Sanning 
challenges the exterminationist school of thought: "The purpose of this 
analysis was not to investigate the content of truth in the 'Holocaust' 
story, but to outline the extent and the direction of the Jewish population 
movement before, during, and after World War II. If the developments as 
traced here are in conflict with the taboos of contemporary historians, it 
is THEIR (emphasis added) task to reconsider an untenable position."

In his booklet, "The Holocaust - 120 Questions and Answers," Dr. Charles E. 
Weber does a masterful job of provoking thought while keeping his approach 
simple and plain-spoken. This 1983 publication addresses a myriad of issues 
related to the Holocaust legend, and reminds the reader from the outset that 
the funding available to those who disseminate material from the 
exterminationist viewpoint far outweighs the minute resources available to 
the revisionist (p.8). This is, of course, a major factor in the relative 
obscurity of revisionist research and conclusions on the issue.

One of the most definitive books on the conduct of "war crimes" trials, "The 
Auschwitz Myth," by Dr. Wilhelm Staglich, gives one insight into the show 
trial and political nature of Allied courtroom procedures. This 1986 
publication stresses the ignoring of proper judicial standards and the 
appalling way in which the search for TRUTH was impeded rather than 
furthered by the court. Not many are aware that "eyewitnesses" were NOT 
allowed to be cross-examined by the defense, nor were they ever subjected to 
enforcement of the perjury oath. Additionally, "witnesses" traveled from 
court to court making the same unchallenged claims, saying they had been at 
each camp.

By October of 1990 the revisionist assault on the legend had come full 
circle with the admission by Great Britain's leading historian and authority 
on World War II, David Irving, that he was now convinced of the fraudulent 
nature of the entire extermination thesis ("Battleship Auschwitz ," pp. 
498-499), and would include a statement to this effect in new editions of 
his previously published books.

TECHNICAL ASPECTS

According to revisionist investigation, NONE of the alleged "gas chambers" 
had ventilation or exhaust systems capable of handling the gassing of 
inmates. The square footage in ALL of the "chambers" would allow for a 
hypothetical total of 123,976 gassings in ALL the years of the supposed 
"genocide" program (The Leuchter Report, p. 14). In September of 1989, the 
Russians released the Auschwitz death books (the Germans were meticulous 
record keepers), which show a death toll of 74,000 at that camp from ALL 
CAUSES ( Irving , p. 500). Confessions from Germans, obtained by TORTURE, 
"eyewitness" testimony, and exterminationist historians put the number 
gassed at Auschwitz alone at 4 million. This massive contradiction deserves 
further examination in the interest of historical truth. This figure has now 
been revised downward, to just over a million, thanks to the fear of 
revisionist discoveries and publishings. Notably, however, that reduction 
did nothing regarding the claim of six-million dead!!

On August 19, 1960, the director of the prestigious Institute for 
Contemporary History in Munich, Dr. Martin Broszat, announced to his amazed 
countrymen that there had NEVER been a "gas chamber" in the entirety of the 
German Reich, but only a few in other places, namely in occupied Poland 
(Robert Faurrison, "The Problem of the Gas Chambers," pp. 107-108). This 
announcement flew in the face of those who swore to mass killings in German 
camps, but that was never brought up, of course!

Broszat has NEVER provided an explanation for this contention. Professor 
Robert Faurrison of France asks: 1. How does Dr. Broszat know that the "gas 
chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds? 2. How does he know that the "gas 
chambers" in Poland are genuine? 3. Why do the proofs and certainties and 
eyewitness accounts concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly 
have no value, while these SAME criteria still remain true for the camps in 
Poland (p. 108)? Think about those questions!!

As the exterminationists themselves have since abandoned the claims of the 
use of gas chambers in Germany proper, primary attention will now be devoted 
to the main camps in Poland , which would be Majdanek and 
Auschwitz-Birkenau. Pertinent to this, however, is the confession regarding 
the German camp of Bergen-Belsen .

Two of the pillars upon which rest the claims of the exterminationist 
historians and the "survivors" and "eyewitnesses" are the confessions of 
Kurt Gerstein and Rudolf Hoess. Gerstein, one-time commandant of 
Bergen-Belsen, states in his confession that 700 to 800 people went into 
each of the four chambers each time the gassings took place. The size of 
each room varies slightly, but worked out in terms of occupant per square 
meter (approximately a square 3 feet by 3 feet), and according to those 
"eyewitnesses," those rooms would have had a minimum of 30 to a maximum of 
40 individuals in each square meter (Felderer, p. 170). I ask you, dear 
reader, to draw on your floor or the ground, a square of 3 feet by 3 feet. 
Then imagine just how many people you could cram into that square. Thirty? 
Forty? I don't think so!! Revisionist Ditlieb Felderer concludes, "In spite 
of all the absurdities, impossibilities, erroneous and contradictory 
figures, the 'Gerstein Statement" continues to maintain its supremacy in 
Exterminationist lore. Perhaps this is just as well, from a cynical 
Revisionist viewpoint, for few things could better illustrate the mythical 
nature of the 'Holocaust' than this very item" (Felderer, p.172).

Rudolf Hoess, one of three successive commanding officers at Auschwitz, was 
the only one to leave a confession. His description of the actual gassing 
procedures is remarkably short and vague, just as all other "eyewitness" 
accounts are vague, brief, and full of contradictions on many points. As 
described by Hoess: one-half hour after having released the gas, the Germans 
would open the door and turn on the fan, and immediately begin to remove the 
bodies. Hoess added that the crew in charge would remove the 2000 (!) bodies 
and begin transporting them to the crematory ovens while eating and smoking 
(quoted in Faurrison, "The Mechanics.", p.24). This confession implies that 
it is possible to enter an area saturated with hydrogen cyanide (HCN, Zyclon 
B) while taking no precautions for self-protection, and bare-handedly grasp 
2000 cadavers contaminated with the deadly gas. The air pockets between the 
bodies heaped on top of one another would have been filled with HCN.

This "confession" lacks plausibility and even common sense (many "survivors" 
and "eyewitnesses" swore to the SAME impossibility in court), and is in 
accord with revisionist claims that it is a fabrication extracted by 
torture. Yet, testimony by these claimants at Nuremberg and other post-war 
trials was readily accepted into the record, not allowed to be challenged, 
and believed as "gospel" by Allied judges anxious to do their duty for 
"humanity." And countless German military personnel, not guilty of any such 
crime, were executed on the basis of these claims by "survivors" that were 
NOT allowed to be questioned or cross-examined.

It was this particular part of my reading that drew me to examine and 
challenge those claims. I was an employee of E.I. DuPont at that time, and 
worked in a huge chemical plant, having experience working around HCN. Allow 
me to cite the DuPont Company Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on hydrogen 
cyanide (the primary element of Zyclon B), updated January 14, 1991. HCN is 
described as unstable with heat and extremely flammable. It is a fast acting 
poison and could be fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through the 
skin (remember the "eyewitness" accounts of SS men "smoking and eating," 
wearing NO protective equipment, while callously dragging gassed Jews out by 
the hair). The MSDS adds that in most cases cyanide poisoning causes a 
deceptively healthy pink to red skin color, and that skin permeation can 
occur in amounts capable of producing systemic toxicity. The user is 
cautioned to use the gas only in closed systems and with ventilation 
adequate to keep vapor concentrations below exposure limits. Warnings are 
given to evacuate the area immediately if HCN fumes are detected, and to don 
protective clothing before re-entry. The MINIMUM personal protective 
equipment recommended is goggles and rubber gloves, and the user should have 
at hand rubber suits and boots, a full-body chemical suit, and a 
self-contained breathing air supply. DuPont also warns that with eye or skin 
contact, one should immediately flush the eyes with plenty of water, remove 
contaminated clothing, including shoes, and wash the skin. Skin absorption 
can occur from cyanide dust, solutions, or HCN vapor (MSDS, pp. 3-10).

Therefore, the abundance of technical and physical impossibilities inherent 
in the confessions becomes apparent upon examination of the sites and the 
dimensions of the so-called gas chambers. The technical problems inherent in 
ANY plan to gas millions of people would have necessitated meetings of 
experts and the issuance of plans, instructions, and safety equipment. NO 
EVIDENCE that ANY of this was ever done by the National Socialist government 
has ever been found (Faurisson, "The Mechanics." p.29). Remember too, that 
passes would NOT have been granted to Germans in the camps, nor their 
families allowed to visit; prisoners who had served their sentences would 
not have been released or allowed to return to their respective countries, 
or the "extermination program" would have been revealed to the whole world!
Faurrison concludes his article with what he regards as THE criteria of 
FALSE EVIDENCE regarding the gas chambers. He avers that ALL of the 
statements, as vague and inconsistent as they may be, AGREE on ONE thing: 
the crew responsible for removing the bodies entered the site either 
"immediately" or "a few moments" after the deaths of the victims. Calling 
this a physical impossibility, he states: "I contend that this point alone 
constitutes the cornerstone of the false evidence, because this is a 
physical impossibility. If you encounter a person who believes in the 
existence of the 'gas chambers,' ask him how, in his opinion, the thousands 
of cadavers were removed to make room for the next batch (The Mechanics., 
p.30)."

Perhaps the most severe blow to the Extermination Thesis was delivered in 
1988 with the publication of "The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth." The 
author's treatise is a report on the technical aspects of the alleged 
execution chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek , Poland , using 
comparisons with American prison gas chamber designs and operations.

In states that use lethal gas for capital punishment, stringent rules and 
procedures must be met. All lighting and electrical hardware must be 
explosion-proof (NONE of the rooms designated as "gas chambers" had this 
feature). If you come home in the evening and open your home and smell gas, 
the one thing you know not to do is flip a light switch. The spark can cause 
an explosion. The chamber is operated under a vacuum so that any leak would 
be inward. An eminent authority on capital executions, Leuchter states that 
many complicated problems must be considered in the design of an execution 
gas chamber. A mistake may, and probably will, cause death or injury to 
anyone OUTSIDE the chamber (Leuchter, p.6). This expert says that an area of 
NINE square feet is the MINIMUM required for gas circulation around the 
occupant of any gas chamber. As the floor area for Auschwitz Krema 1 "gas 
chamber" is 844 square feet, allowance for gas circulation means that a 
maximum of 94 people could fit into this room at one time for execution. 
"Eyewitness testimony" places 600 people at a time in this room (Leuchter, 
p.11). Remember - NO questioning or cross-examining was allowed in the 
courts! How would YOU, as the accused, feel about YOUR defense attorneys 
being so handicapped, with your life on the line?

The tourist attractions exhibited to the public as "gas chambers" in all the 
camps examined by Leuchter have NO gasketed doors or windows, and very few 
have vents; the inside walls of the structures are not sealed to prevent 
leakage or absorption of the gas, so that the exposed, porous brick and 
mortar would accumulate HCN and be dangerous to humans for several years. 
The fact that these rooms identified as "gas chambers" are located right 
next to the crematories also would make them a prime source for explosion 
and fire. Very poor planning by those evil Germans, indeed!

Leuchter found that Krema 1 has floor drains connected to the main sewer of 
the camp. This would allow the heavier-than-air deadly HCN to get into every 
building at the facility, resulting in the deaths of even the Germans. The 
"gas chambers" here, as in ALL the camps, are too small to contain the 
numbers claimed. The doors to these rooms all open INWARD (another poor 
design consideration by those supposedly so efficient in mass slaughter; it 
would be quite difficult to push such a door open against the piles of 
bodies after a gassing). Also, enough LEAKAGE of the deadly gas would have 
occurred in ALL of the gas chambers to have killed the administering 
technicians (Leuchter, p.9).

Leuchter's strongest forensic evidence is the samples of brick, mortar, 
concrete, and sediment taken by his team from the three Polish camps. HCN 
and its compounds are very residual - they hang around for decades! Leuchter 
took 31 samples at the alleged gas chambers, and a control sample was taken 
>from delousing facility number one at Birkenau. The control sample, from the 
delousing chamber where clothing was treated to rid it of disease-causing 
lice, showed a very heavy cyanide content of 1050 milligrams per kilogram of 
brick. This is consistent with the use of Zyclon B as a delousing agent in 
that chamber. However, of the other 31 samples, from the supposed gas 
chambers, 17 had NO measurable trace of HCN, and the other 14 were all under 
8 milligrams - consistent with those locations having been deloused at some 
time. This scientific analysis supports the evidence that these facilities 
could NOT have been execution gas chambers. Of course, "eyewitness 
testimony" by those INCAPABLE of LYING was responsible for the death 
sentences given German camp personnel there as well as the camps in Germany 
proper, where the non-existence of homicidal gas chambers has been admitted 
even by the exterminationists. No charges of perjury, or suggestions of 
redress to the survivors of the wrongly and vindictively executed Germans, 
have ever been proffered by the moralistic proponents of the Extermination 
thesis.

Investigation of the CREMATIONS of the alleged gassing victims evinces the 
same degree of impossibility and contradiction. I took a tour of a modern 
crematory near my home city, interviewed the experienced technician, and 
learned what it takes to dispose of ONE body. I asked not only how much 
time, how much fuel, what temperature, and how much residue is left, but the 
possibility of multiple cremations in one oven. Rarely considered is the 
fact that the oven MUST undergo a cooling down period before the ashes and 
bits of bone remaining may be removed.

Those remnants fill a normal size shoe box. What I learned form this 
personal research was that NONE of the descriptions in the accusations made 
by "survivors" was even remotely possible except in their own minds. Four 
million shoe-boxes of ashes would have made quite a mound at Auschwitz . 
Where is it? The 60 pounds of coal/coke used by the Germans to cremate one 
body ALSO leaves residue - and if one multiplies that 60 pounds by the 
supposed 4 million bodies - WHERE did Germany get the 240 million pounds of 
coal, and HOW did they get it to Auschwitz ? As to the TIME required to 
cremate all those bodies (4 hours for each) - Leuchter says (p.10) that the 
capability of all the ovens at the entirety of Auschwitz could realistically 
cremate 207 bodies in 24 hours.

IF there were 4 million, and the 69 crematoria there worked around the clock 
with no shut down time for cleaning (an impossibility), the Germans would 
have still been cremating bodies until something like June of 1972!!! 
Please, please, Mr. "Survivor", Mr. "Eyewitness," explain this! Oh - you say 
that the bodies were mass-cremated, in that well-cited 50-foot long, 10-foot 
deep pit the awful Germans dug. FACTS: Auschwitz was built on swamp-like 
land; the water table there is 4 feet deep. That's right - once you reach 
that depth, WATER begins to seep into the hole you are digging. Ten foot 
deep trench? Sure!! Additionally - what fuel did they use in that pit? It 
doesn't matter - a high-enough temperature to cremate a human body CANNOT be 
reached in an open pit!! Once again, you accusers - EXPLAIN this!! Where are 
the tons of incomplete cremation remains?

I distinctly remember watching another of the myriad of "specials" on the 
"Holocaust" made in 1985, titled "A Painful Reminder." This was aired on the 
Discovery Channel out of Houston , and included the standard claims of 
"gassings" made by the interviewed "survivors." It was CLEARLY stated on 
this program that 279,000 bodies per MONTH (over 9,000 per day) were being 
cremated there in a continuous, round-the-clock operation. These phony 
"witnesses" were trying to make the numbers fit the story. Remember - German 
military and concentration camp personnel were EXECUTED on the basis of such 
unquestioned and unchallenged testimony.

Leuchter's own conclusion about his forensic examination there: "After 
reviewing all of the material and inspecting all the sites at Auschwitz , 
Birkenau, and Majdanek, your author finds the evidence overwhelming. There 
were no execution gas chambers at any of these locations. It is the best 
engineering opinion of this author that the alleged gas chambers at the 
inspected sites could not have been, or now, be utilized or seriously 
considered to function as execution gas chambers."

Imagine what such testimony, had it been allowed at the show trials after 
the war, would have done to these witnesses for hire who traveled from court 
to court to spout the same LIES. They knew, of course, that challenging 
their lies would not be allowed, nor would any cross-examination by the 
defense. They know this today, as well, and still make those claims before 
Americans in schoolrooms and elsewhere.

Consideration must be given to the numbers game played by the 
exterminationists and Jews as well. In brief - according to the study by 
Professor Sanning as well as information from the Encyclopedia Britannica, 
the total number of Jews that were ever under the expansion of the German 
military was 4 million. Today, you have at least 3.7 million drawing 
reparations as "survivors" and "victims." Please, I may not be a math major, 
but somehow I just cannot get six million dead Jews out of that, nor even a 
half a million.

Why the paradoxical reaction of Jews to revisionist contentions that Jews 
were not the victims of extermination, but survived the war? One would think 
that debunking of the myths would elicit a joyful response, especially from 
those who have believed for decades that their people were the victims of 
genocide. Consider these three probable reasons: (1) the Holocaust is a HUGE 
financial business with obscene profits and enormous amounts of gullible 
sympathy; (2) the Palestinian issue; and (3) the immense power and influence 
exercised by Zionists and other Jews upon the governments and media of the 
world, especially upon American foreign and domestic policy.

Most Americans are unaware of the billions paid to individual Jews as well 
as to Israel , a nation that did not even exist at the time of the alleged 
"genocide." The amount paid yearly to all these "victims" is based upon the 
now legendary "six million" figure, and as these reparations are STILL 
ongoing, any reduction in that number would be intolerable to the recipients 
of such largesse.

In essence, should revisionist findings be accurate and accepted as such, 
the goose that lays these golden eggs for Jewish coffers would disappear!! 
And those folks who have been forced to bear the guilt and pay this 
extortion for all these decades just might be a little upset over what have 
been done to them.

Israel was established in 1948 due in large part to the overwhelming 
SYMPATHY generated by these ridiculous accusations of genocide. The Zionists 
were given the land of the Palestinians by the British as a homeland for the 
Jewish state. The Palestinians thus became as victimized as the Germans by 
this massive LIE, as they have been a homeless, tortured people since then. 
They are indeed the REAL victims of not just the repressive Zionists, but an 
uninformed and misinformed world that does not want to hear of their grief 
and suffering - a world with little sympathy toward righting a decades old 
injustice.

As the United States government and all facets of the media played the key 
role in establishing the legend of genocide, this is why both institutions 
turn their backs upon revisionist findings. And it is also why they ignore 
attacks upon revisionists and Palestinians alike. Both also continue an 
ever-increasing effort to propagate the Extermination thesis. Several states 
have made "holocaust education" mandatory in their schools; US taxpayer 
funds are used to fund "Holocaust" museums and other tributes. No political 
lobby in the United States plays a more influential role in electing or 
defeating political candidates as do Jewish political action committees.

These are all factors in maintaining the "Holocaust" legend and also explain 
the silence of politicians on the subject. Jewish organizations are 
constantly pressuring all levels of government to adopt legislation that 
makes questioning or doubting the Holocaust a crime punishable by heavy fine 
and imprisonment. Their efforts have been successful in many foreign 
countries and are making headway here, in spite of our supposed 
Constitutional protection.

Why would key members of the US government have participated for so many 
years in perpetuating and supporting the legend? Besides 
self-aggrandizement, of course, obliteration by contrast is the likely 
reason. Without the genocide claim to use against Germany , several aspects 
of the initiation and conduct of the war by the Roosevelt administration 
would have not only come into question but caused much popular unrest in 
this country. The dubious story of the "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor, 
the cover up of the Soviet massacre of the Polish officer corps at Katyn 
(and blaming it on the Germans), Operation Keelhaul, the barbaric saturation 
bombings of non-military targets, and the orgy of rape and pillage engaged 
in by the Allies and resistance forces, could most justifiably be labeled 
"war crimes." But with the genocide claim against the Germans, all of these 
actions, as well as the decision by FDR, Churchill, and Stalin before the 
end of the war to divide Germany and Europe with the Soviets, are 
"justified." After all, any nation that would conduct genocide, especially 
against Jews, deserves every form of destruction and punishment it got!!

The veracity of revisionist claims may only be properly evaluated if they 
receive a hearing. But such a hearing is vociferously opposed by Jews and 
their lackeys in government and media. Their only answer to our research is 
personal attacks, including beatings (Faurrison), destroying livelihoods 
(Leuchter, Zundel, and others), and name-calling. One has to wonder - if 
revisionists are indeed "flat-earth" fools, and the Jews and 
exterminationists are holding all the aces - of WHAT are they afraid?

Personal Conclusions

If this author comes across as angry about this entire issue, that is 
because I am certainly angry! After examining the issue from more than one 
side, seeing the forensic and scientific evidence offered by the 
revisionists, and in essence giving a hearing that was NOT allowed at the 
shameful post-war courts, I easily came to the conclusion that this whole 
"Holocaust" is nothing more than a "HOLO-HOAX," and deserves to be exposed 
for what it has been all along - an extortion crime of the worst degree. I 
even learned in my search that this SAME claim of genocide and of millions 
dead was floated by the Zionists after World War 1, but it was immediately 
recognized for the lie that it was, and given short shrift. I am also angry 
about the personal attacks upon legitimate scholars who question this 
historical non-event, the beatings, destruction of property, and the 
impunity with which such thugs operate in MY country. The kowtowing by 
politicians, media people, clergy, and academia to these arrogant FRAUDS is 
a disgrace. I, for one, have put my foot down.

No more unchallenged fairy tales by "survivors" as long as I am able to 
speak out!
If your community is like mine, it is visited on occasion by another of the 
millions of "holocaust survivors," who speak in our churches and our schools 
about the suffering they endured at the hands of those evil Germans, while 
the world stood by and did nothing! I do not know about you, but I am way 
past being tired of their totally baseless whining, lies, and extortion. 
Certainly, a number of Jews did suffer the depredations of war - but no more 
than any other peoples. Those responsible for the executions and extortion 
payments in the form of reparations should be made to face the music of 
perjury trials at the very minimum. When they cry that they lost their 
entire family - MANY people lost their entire families in that war, and Jews 
deserve no more or no less sympathy than anyone else. I'll admit, however, 
that it is quite difficult to feel sympathy for the legions of lying 
vampires who rake in tons of extortion money off the labor of falsely 
accused people every year. The German nation should be exonerated of this 
despicably assigned GUILT, and the historical record set straight. It is 
past time to get in the faces of these LIARS, and put them to the test with 
honest questioning. They will not engage in debate, unless they can turn the 
debate AWAY from the intellectual and logical to the EMOTIONAL - which they 
will do every time! They know that in any debate between logic and emotion, 
logic loses every time! Thus their personal attacks upon those who question 
them, and the inevitable name calling - Nazi, anti-Semite, and others. To 
those who push and support this Holocaust fairy tale, I say, IF it is an 
historical event, then it is as subject to dissection and discussion as any 
other historical event. IF, on the other hand, it is a religion - which is 
certainly what its adherents have made of it over the decades - then get it 
out of our schools!! Here's another confession from this confirmed 
"Holocaust" denier - "sticks and stones.."

Bibliography

Butz, Arthur R.: The Hoax of the 20th Century. Richmond , Surrey , England : 
Historical Review Press, 1976
DuPont Material Safety Data Sheet (Hydrogen Cyanide): Hazardous Materials 
Manual, 1991 Ed.
Faurrison, Robert: "The Mechanics of Gassing." Journal of Historical Review, 
1.1 (1980), pp. 23-30
Faurrison, Robert: "The Problem of the 'Gas Chambers'." Journal of 
Historical Review, 1.2 (1980), p.1.
Felderer, Ditlieb: " Auschwitz Notebook." Journal of Historical Review, 1.2 
(1980), pp. 169-172
Irving, David: "Battleship Auschwitz ." Journal of Historical Review, 10.4 
(1990), pp.491-508
Leuchter, Fred A.: The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth, Toronto : 
Samisdat Publishers, Ltd., 1988
Sanning, Walter N.: The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. Torrance , 
Ca.: Institute for Historical Review, 1983.
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German original, Der Auschwitz Mythos. Torrance , Ca. : Institute for 
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, Ca.: Institute for Historical Review, 1983

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I began my questioning and search for truth regarding the much ballyhooed 
"Holocaust" in 1974. Like nearly every American, I fully accepted at face 
value the claims of "survivors," the videos and photos shown on television, 
and the very regular pronouncements from the media, dais, and pulpit about 
the "horrible extermination campaign" conducted against Jews by Hitler's 
Germany . What spurred me to question the details of this unspeakable crime? 
Reading a paper titled "Did Six Million Really Die?", my work experience in 
a chemical plant and the handling of hydrogen cyanide, and reading the 
accounts of "survivors" from the post-war trials which essentially 
established the legend of mass extermination that came to be termed the 
"Holocaust."

The first thing I did as a seeker of truth was to get a definition of 
"Holocaust," which was and is readily available in countless books on the 
subject. That definition was/is described as "the planned and activated 
extermination of members of the Jewish race, numbering some six million, by 
National Socialist Germany primarily through the use of Zyclon B ( a 
commercial preparation containing hydrogen cyanide) used to disinfect 
clothing at the various labor camps during World War II." With this 
definition forming the guidelines, I began my quest.

Those who have challenged the "establishment" viewpoint are known as 
"revisionists," and their position on the subject is: there was NO attempt 
by National Socialist Germany to exterminate ANY ethnic group. Revisionists 
agree that many deaths occurred in the camps due to disease, starvation, and 
the horrid conditions of war, but "gas chambers" for homicidal purposes were 
non-existent. Those who accept the conventional view as true are designated 
as "exterminationists" by revisionists.

What jumped at this researcher immediately upon closer examination of the 
stories of extermination were the many credible arguments against such a 
program, as advanced by revisionists. The technical and physical 
impossibilities of the claims of alleged gassings and cremations as espoused 
by "eyewitnesses" at the post-war trials immediately fly in the face of 
scientific fact. Unfortunately, such claims were NOT allowed to be 
questioned by the defense, nor those witnesses allowed to be cross examined. 
Before an analysis of such claims, a chronological background on the origins 
of "denial" is necessary for a proper understanding of revisionist 
contentions.

In 1961, Professor Paul Rassinier of France became the first author to 
refute the accuracy of claims of genocide in print. Francis P. Yockey's 
"Imperium," published in 1948, did cast doubt upon the claims, but did not 
deal directly with the subject. Rassinier, a socialist and member of the 
French resistance, had been captured and interned in the concentration camps 
of Buchenwald and Dora. Liberated in 1945, he returned to France as an 
invalid, and was shortly very puzzled, then outraged, at the claims of 
"genocide" and gas chambers, particularly regarding the two camps where he 
had been a prisoner. He had seen no evidence of any such activities as an 
inmate there, and Rassinier certainly had no love for the Germans. His 
initial work on the extermination of the Jews, "The Lie of Ulysses," 
followed in 1964 by his "The Drama of the European Jews," called into 
question the "Holocaust" legend.

The year 1976 featured the appearance of a thorough and well-documented 
revisionist treatise by Dr. Arthur R. Butz of Northwestern University . "The 
Hoax of the 20th Century" dissected the extermination claims from pre-war 
and post war population statistics; the crucial role played by the Allied 
trials and their extreme importance in implanting the legend were also 
addressed by Butz: ".it is a fact that without the evidence generated at 
these trials, there would be no significant evidence that the program of 
killing Jews ever existed at all.If the trials had not been held, a person 
claiming the existence of an extermination program could not, if challenged, 
produce any evidence for this save a few books.whose claims are just as 
unsupported as his original claim. Thus the problem that had been involved 
in deciding whether or not to try mass murder; unlike the usual murder case, 
there was legitimate and very solid doubt that the deed had been committed 
at all.

"This may surprise the reader who regards the tale of Jewish extermination 
as a near certainty; such is simply not the case. There are many 
considerations supporting this view and some are so simple that they may 
surprise the reader even further. The simplest valid reason for being 
skeptical about the extermination claim is also the simplest conceivable 
reason; at the end of the war they were still there" (Butz, page 10).

Adding credence to the claims made by Butz is the 1983 publication by Walter 
N. Sanning, "The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry." This detailed 
demographic study offers evidence that the vast majority of the 
"exterminated" Jews did indeed survive, being absorbed primarily into the 
Soviet Union, Palestine , and the United States . Professor Sanning 
challenges the exterminationist school of thought: "The purpose of this 
analysis was not to investigate the content of truth in the 'Holocaust' 
story, but to outline the extent and the direction of the Jewish population 
movement before, during, and after World War II. If the developments as 
traced here are in conflict with the taboos of contemporary historians, it 
is THEIR (emphasis added) task to reconsider an untenable position."

In his booklet, "The Holocaust - 120 Questions and Answers," Dr. Charles E. 
Weber does a masterful job of provoking thought while keeping his approach 
simple and plain-spoken. This 1983 publication addresses a myriad of issues 
related to the Holocaust legend, and reminds the reader from the outset that 
the funding available to those who disseminate material from the 
exterminationist viewpoint far outweighs the minute resources available to 
the revisionist (p.8). This is, of course, a major factor in the relative 
obscurity of revisionist research and conclusions on the issue.

One of the most definitive books on the conduct of "war crimes" trials, "The 
Auschwitz Myth," by Dr. Wilhelm Staglich, gives one insight into the show 
trial and political nature of Allied courtroom procedures. This 1986 
publication stresses the ignoring of proper judicial standards and the 
appalling way in which the search for TRUTH was impeded rather than 
furthered by the court. Not many are aware that "eyewitnesses" were NOT 
allowed to be cross-examined by the defense, nor were they ever subjected to 
enforcement of the perjury oath. Additionally, "witnesses" traveled from 
court to court making the same unchallenged claims, saying they had been at 
each camp.

By October of 1990 the revisionist assault on the legend had come full 
circle with the admission by Great Britain's leading historian and authority 
on World War II, David Irving, that he was now convinced of the fraudulent 
nature of the entire extermination thesis ("Battleship Auschwitz ," pp. 
498-499), and would include a statement to this effect in new editions of 
his previously published books.

TECHNICAL ASPECTS

According to revisionist investigation, NONE of the alleged "gas chambers" 
had ventilation or exhaust systems capable of handling the gassing of 
inmates. The square footage in ALL of the "chambers" would allow for a 
hypothetical total of 123,976 gassings in ALL the years of the supposed 
"genocide" program (The Leuchter Report, p. 14). In September of 1989, the 
Russians released the Auschwitz death books (the Germans were meticulous 
record keepers), which show a death toll of 74,000 at that camp from ALL 
CAUSES ( Irving , p. 500). Confessions from Germans, obtained by TORTURE, 
"eyewitness" testimony, and exterminationist historians put the number 
gassed at Auschwitz alone at 4 million. This massive contradiction deserves 
further examination in the interest of historical truth. This figure has now 
been revised downward, to just over a million, thanks to the fear of 
revisionist discoveries and publishings. Notably, however, that reduction 
did nothing regarding the claim of six-million dead!!

On August 19, 1960, the director of the prestigious Institute for 
Contemporary History in Munich, Dr. Martin Broszat, announced to his amazed 
countrymen that there had NEVER been a "gas chamber" in the entirety of the 
German Reich, but only a few in other places, namely in occupied Poland 
(Robert Faurrison, "The Problem of the Gas Chambers," pp. 107-108). This 
announcement flew in the face of those who swore to mass killings in German 
camps, but that was never brought up, of course!

Broszat has NEVER provided an explanation for this contention. Professor 
Robert Faurrison of France asks: 1. How does Dr. Broszat know that the "gas 
chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds? 2. How does he know that the "gas 
chambers" in Poland are genuine? 3. Why do the proofs and certainties and 
eyewitness accounts concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly 
have no value, while these SAME criteria still remain true for the camps in 
Poland (p. 108)? Think about those questions!!

As the exterminationists themselves have since abandoned the claims of the 
use of gas chambers in Germany proper, primary attention will now be devoted 
to the main camps in Poland , which would be Majdanek and 
Auschwitz-Birkenau. Pertinent to this, however, is the confession regarding 
the German camp of Bergen-Belsen .

Two of the pillars upon which rest the claims of the exterminationist 
historians and the "survivors" and "eyewitnesses" are the confessions of 
Kurt Gerstein and Rudolf Hoess. Gerstein, one-time commandant of 
Bergen-Belsen, states in his confession that 700 to 800 people went into 
each of the four chambers each time the gassings took place. The size of 
each room varies slightly, but worked out in terms of occupant per square 
meter (approximately a square 3 feet by 3 feet), and according to those 
"eyewitnesses," those rooms would have had a minimum of 30 to a maximum of 
40 individuals in each square meter (Felderer, p. 170). I ask you, dear 
reader, to draw on your floor or the ground, a square of 3 feet by 3 feet. 
Then imagine just how many people you could cram into that square. Thirty? 
Forty? I don't think so!! Revisionist Ditlieb Felderer concludes, "In spite 
of all the absurdities, impossibilities, erroneous and contradictory 
figures, the 'Gerstein Statement" continues to maintain its supremacy in 
Exterminationist lore. Perhaps this is just as well, from a cynical 
Revisionist viewpoint, for few things could better illustrate the mythical 
nature of the 'Holocaust' than this very item" (Felderer, p.172).

Rudolf Hoess, one of three successive commanding officers at Auschwitz, was 
the only one to leave a confession. His description of the actual gassing 
procedures is remarkably short and vague, just as all other "eyewitness" 
accounts are vague, brief, and full of contradictions on many points. As 
described by Hoess: one-half hour after having released the gas, the Germans 
would open the door and turn on the fan, and immediately begin to remove the 
bodies. Hoess added that the crew in charge would remove the 2000 (!) bodies 
and begin transporting them to the crematory ovens while eating and smoking 
(quoted in Faurrison, "The Mechanics.", p.24). This confession implies that 
it is possible to enter an area saturated with hydrogen cyanide (HCN, Zyclon 
B) while taking no precautions for self-protection, and bare-handedly grasp 
2000 cadavers contaminated with the deadly gas. The air pockets between the 
bodies heaped on top of one another would have been filled with HCN.

This "confession" lacks plausibility and even common sense (many "survivors" 
and "eyewitnesses" swore to the SAME impossibility in court), and is in 
accord with revisionist claims that it is a fabrication extracted by 
torture. Yet, testimony by these claimants at Nuremberg and other post-war 
trials was readily accepted into the record, not allowed to be challenged, 
and believed as "gospel" by Allied judges anxious to do their duty for 
"humanity." And countless German military personnel, not guilty of any such 
crime, were executed on the basis of these claims by "survivors" that were 
NOT allowed to be questioned or cross-examined.

It was this particular part of my reading that drew me to examine and 
challenge those claims. I was an employee of E.I. DuPont at that time, and 
worked in a huge chemical plant, having experience working around HCN. Allow 
me to cite the DuPont Company Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on hydrogen 
cyanide (the primary element of Zyclon B), updated January 14, 1991. HCN is 
described as unstable with heat and extremely flammable. It is a fast acting 
poison and could be fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through the 
skin (remember the "eyewitness" accounts of SS men "smoking and eating," 
wearing NO protective equipment, while callously dragging gassed Jews out by 
the hair). The MSDS adds that in most cases cyanide poisoning causes a 
deceptively healthy pink to red skin color, and that skin permeation can 
occur in amounts capable of producing systemic toxicity. The user is 
cautioned to use the gas only in closed systems and with ventilation 
adequate to keep vapor concentrations below exposure limits. Warnings are 
given to evacuate the area immediately if HCN fumes are detected, and to don 
protective clothing before re-entry. The MINIMUM personal protective 
equipment recommended is goggles and rubber gloves, and the user should have 
at hand rubber suits and boots, a full-body chemical suit, and a 
self-contained breathing air supply. DuPont also warns that with eye or skin 
contact, one should immediately flush the eyes with plenty of water, remove 
contaminated clothing, including shoes, and wash the skin. Skin absorption 
can occur from cyanide dust, solutions, or HCN vapor (MSDS, pp. 3-10).

Therefore, the abundance of technical and physical impossibilities inherent 
in the confessions becomes apparent upon examination of the sites and the 
dimensions of the so-called gas chambers. The technical problems inherent in 
ANY plan to gas millions of people would have necessitated meetings of 
experts and the issuance of plans, instructions, and safety equipment. NO 
EVIDENCE that ANY of this was ever done by the National Socialist government 
has ever been found (Faurisson, "The Mechanics." p.29). Remember too, that 
passes would NOT have been granted to Germans in the camps, nor their 
families allowed to visit; prisoners who had served their sentences would 
not have been released or allowed to return to their respective countries, 
or the "extermination program" would have been revealed to the whole world!
Faurrison concludes his article with what he regards as THE criteria of 
FALSE EVIDENCE regarding the gas chambers. He avers that ALL of the 
statements, as vague and inconsistent as they may be, AGREE on ONE thing: 
the crew responsible for removing the bodies entered the site either 
"immediately" or "a few moments" after the deaths of the victims. Calling 
this a physical impossibility, he states: "I contend that this point alone 
constitutes the cornerstone of the false evidence, because this is a 
physical impossibility. If you encounter a person who believes in the 
existence of the 'gas chambers,' ask him how, in his opinion, the thousands 
of cadavers were removed to make room for the next batch (The Mechanics., 
p.30)."

Perhaps the most severe blow to the Extermination Thesis was delivered in 
1988 with the publication of "The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth." The 
author's treatise is a report on the technical aspects of the alleged 
execution chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek , Poland , using 
comparisons with American prison gas chamber designs and operations.

In states that use lethal gas for capital punishment, stringent rules and 
procedures must be met. All lighting and electrical hardware must be 
explosion-proof (NONE of the rooms designated as "gas chambers" had this 
feature). If you come home in the evening and open your home and smell gas, 
the one thing you know not to do is flip a light switch. The spark can cause 
an explosion. The chamber is operated under a vacuum so that any leak would 
be inward. An eminent authority on capital executions, Leuchter states that 
many complicated problems must be considered in the design of an execution 
gas chamber. A mistake may, and probably will, cause death or injury to 
anyone OUTSIDE the chamber (Leuchter, p.6). This expert says that an area of 
NINE square feet is the MINIMUM required for gas circulation around the 
occupant of any gas chamber. As the floor area for Auschwitz Krema 1 "gas 
chamber" is 844 square feet, allowance for gas circulation means that a 
maximum of 94 people could fit into this room at one time for execution. 
"Eyewitness testimony" places 600 people at a time in this room (Leuchter, 
p.11). Remember - NO questioning or cross-examining was allowed in the 
courts! How would YOU, as the accused, feel about YOUR defense attorneys 
being so handicapped, with your life on the line?

The tourist attractions exhibited to the public as "gas chambers" in all the 
camps examined by Leuchter have NO gasketed doors or windows, and very few 
have vents; the inside walls of the structures are not sealed to prevent 
leakage or absorption of the gas, so that the exposed, porous brick and 
mortar would accumulate HCN and be dangerous to humans for several years. 
The fact that these rooms identified as "gas chambers" are located right 
next to the crematories also would make them a prime source for explosion 
and fire. Very poor planning by those evil Germans, indeed!

Leuchter found that Krema 1 has floor drains connected to the main sewer of 
the camp. This would allow the heavier-than-air deadly HCN to get into every 
building at the facility, resulting in the deaths of even the Germans. The 
"gas chambers" here, as in ALL the camps, are too small to contain the 
numbers claimed. The doors to these rooms all open INWARD (another poor 
design consideration by those supposedly so efficient in mass slaughter; it 
would be quite difficult to push such a door open against the piles of 
bodies after a gassing). Also, enough LEAKAGE of the deadly gas would have 
occurred in ALL of the gas chambers to have killed the administering 
technicians (Leuchter, p.9).

Leuchter's strongest forensic evidence is the samples of brick, mortar, 
concrete, and sediment taken by his team from the three Polish camps. HCN 
and its compounds are very residual - they hang around for decades! Leuchter 
took 31 samples at the alleged gas chambers, and a control sample was taken 
>from delousing facility number one at Birkenau. The control sample, from the 
delousing chamber where clothing was treated to rid it of disease-causing 
lice, showed a very heavy cyanide content of 1050 milligrams per kilogram of 
brick. This is consistent with the use of Zyclon B as a delousing agent in 
that chamber. However, of the other 31 samples, from the supposed gas 
chambers, 17 had NO measurable trace of HCN, and the other 14 were all under 
8 milligrams - consistent with those locations having been deloused at some 
time. This scientific analysis supports the evidence that these facilities 
could NOT have been execution gas chambers. Of course, "eyewitness 
testimony" by those INCAPABLE of LYING was responsible for the death 
sentences given German camp personnel there as well as the camps in Germany 
proper, where the non-existence of homicidal gas chambers has been admitted 
even by the exterminationists. No charges of perjury, or suggestions of 
redress to the survivors of the wrongly and vindictively executed Germans, 
have ever been proffered by the moralistic proponents of the Extermination 
thesis.

Investigation of the CREMATIONS of the alleged gassing victims evinces the 
same degree of impossibility and contradiction. I took a tour of a modern 
crematory near my home city, interviewed the experienced technician, and 
learned what it takes to dispose of ONE body. I asked not only how much 
time, how much fuel, what temperature, and how much residue is left, but the 
possibility of multiple cremations in one oven. Rarely considered is the 
fact that the oven MUST undergo a cooling down period before the ashes and 
bits of bone remaining may be removed.

Those remnants fill a normal size shoe box. What I learned form this 
personal research was that NONE of the descriptions in the accusations made 
by "survivors" was even remotely possible except in their own minds. Four 
million shoe-boxes of ashes would have made quite a mound at Auschwitz . 
Where is it? The 60 pounds of coal/coke used by the Germans to cremate one 
body ALSO leaves residue - and if one multiplies that 60 pounds by the 
supposed 4 million bodies - WHERE did Germany get the 240 million pounds of 
coal, and HOW did they get it to Auschwitz ? As to the TIME required to 
cremate all those bodies (4 hours for each) - Leuchter says (p.10) that the 
capability of all the ovens at the entirety of Auschwitz could realistically 
cremate 207 bodies in 24 hours.

IF there were 4 million, and the 69 crematoria there worked around the clock 
with no shut down time for cleaning (an impossibility), the Germans would 
have still been cremating bodies until something like June of 1972!!! 
Please, please, Mr. "Survivor", Mr. "Eyewitness," explain this! Oh - you say 
that the bodies were mass-cremated, in that well-cited 50-foot long, 10-foot 
deep pit the awful Germans dug. FACTS: Auschwitz was built on swamp-like 
land; the water table there is 4 feet deep. That's right - once you reach 
that depth, WATER begins to seep into the hole you are digging. Ten foot 
deep trench? Sure!! Additionally - what fuel did they use in that pit? It 
doesn't matter - a high-enough temperature to cremate a human body CANNOT be 
reached in an open pit!! Once again, you accusers - EXPLAIN this!! Where are 
the tons of incomplete cremation remains?

I distinctly remember watching another of the myriad of "specials" on the 
"Holocaust" made in 1985, titled "A Painful Reminder." This was aired on the 
Discovery Channel out of Houston , and included the standard claims of 
"gassings" made by the interviewed "survivors." It was CLEARLY stated on 
this program that 279,000 bodies per MONTH (over 9,000 per day) were being 
cremated there in a continuous, round-the-clock operation. These phony 
"witnesses" were trying to make the numbers fit the story. Remember - German 
military and concentration camp personnel were EXECUTED on the basis of such 
unquestioned and unchallenged testimony.

Leuchter's own conclusion about his forensic examination there: "After 
reviewing all of the material and inspecting all the sites at Auschwitz , 
Birkenau, and Majdanek, your author finds the evidence overwhelming. There 
were no execution gas chambers at any of these locations. It is the best 
engineering opinion of this author that the alleged gas chambers at the 
inspected sites could not have been, or now, be utilized or seriously 
considered to function as execution gas chambers."

Imagine what such testimony, had it been allowed at the show trials after 
the war, would have done to these witnesses for hire who traveled from court 
to court to spout the same LIES. They knew, of course, that challenging 
their lies would not be allowed, nor would any cross-examination by the 
defense. They know this today, as well, and still make those claims before 
Americans in schoolrooms and elsewhere.

Consideration must be given to the numbers game played by the 
exterminationists and Jews as well. In brief - according to the study by 
Professor Sanning as well as information from the Encyclopedia Britannica, 
the total number of Jews that were ever under the expansion of the German 
military was 4 million. Today, you have at least 3.7 million drawing 
reparations as "survivors" and "victims." Please, I may not be a math major, 
but somehow I just cannot get six million dead Jews out of that, nor even a 
half a million.

Why the paradoxical reaction of Jews to revisionist contentions that Jews 
were not the victims of extermination, but survived the war? One would think 
that debunking of the myths would elicit a joyful response, especially from 
those who have believed for decades that their people were the victims of 
genocide. Consider these three probable reasons: (1) the Holocaust is a HUGE 
financial business with obscene profits and enormous amounts of gullible 
sympathy; (2) the Palestinian issue; and (3) the immense power and influence 
exercised by Zionists and other Jews upon the governments and media of the 
world, especially upon American foreign and domestic policy.

Most Americans are unaware of the billions paid to individual Jews as well 
as to Israel , a nation that did not even exist at the time of the alleged 
"genocide." The amount paid yearly to all these "victims" is based upon the 
now legendary "six million" figure, and as these reparations are STILL 
ongoing, any reduction in that number would be intolerable to the recipients 
of such largesse.

In essence, should revisionist findings be accurate and accepted as such, 
the goose that lays these golden eggs for Jewish coffers would disappear!! 
And those folks who have been forced to bear the guilt and pay this 
extortion for all these decades just might be a little upset over what have 
been done to them.

Israel was established in 1948 due in large part to the overwhelming 
SYMPATHY generated by these ridiculous accusations of genocide. The Zionists 
were given the land of the Palestinians by the British as a homeland for the 
Jewish state. The Palestinians thus became as victimized as the Germans by 
this massive LIE, as they have been a homeless, tortured people since then. 
They are indeed the REAL victims of not just the repressive Zionists, but an 
uninformed and misinformed world that does not want to hear of their grief 
and suffering - a world with little sympathy toward righting a decades old 
injustice.

As the United States government and all facets of the media played the key 
role in establishing the legend of genocide, this is why both institutions 
turn their backs upon revisionist findings. And it is also why they ignore 
attacks upon revisionists and Palestinians alike. Both also continue an 
ever-increasing effort to propagate the Extermination thesis. Several states 
have made "holocaust education" mandatory in their schools; US taxpayer 
funds are used to fund "Holocaust" museums and other tributes. No political 
lobby in the United States plays a more influential role in electing or 
defeating political candidates as do Jewish political action committees.

These are all factors in maintaining the "Holocaust" legend and also explain 
the silence of politicians on the subject. Jewish organizations are 
constantly pressuring all levels of government to adopt legislation that 
makes questioning or doubting the Holocaust a crime punishable by heavy fine 
and imprisonment. Their efforts have been successful in many foreign 
countries and are making headway here, in spite of our supposed 
Constitutional protection.

Why would key members of the US government have participated for so many 
years in perpetuating and supporting the legend? Besides 
self-aggrandizement, of course, obliteration by contrast is the likely 
reason. Without the genocide claim to use against Germany , several aspects 
of the initiation and conduct of the war by the Roosevelt administration 
would have not only come into question but caused much popular unrest in 
this country. The dubious story of the "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor, 
the cover up of the Soviet massacre of the Polish officer corps at Katyn 
(and blaming it on the Germans), Operation Keelhaul, the barbaric saturation 
bombings of non-military targets, and the orgy of rape and pillage engaged 
in by the Allies and resistance forces, could most justifiably be labeled 
"war crimes." But with the genocide claim against the Germans, all of these 
actions, as well as the decision by FDR, Churchill, and Stalin before the 
end of the war to divide Germany and Europe with the Soviets, are 
"justified." After all, any nation that would conduct genocide, especially 
against Jews, deserves every form of destruction and punishment it got!!

The veracity of revisionist claims may only be properly evaluated if they 
receive a hearing. But such a hearing is vociferously opposed by Jews and 
their lackeys in government and media. Their only answer to our research is 
personal attacks, including beatings (Faurrison), destroying livelihoods 
(Leuchter, Zundel, and others), and name-calling. One has to wonder - if 
revisionists are indeed "flat-earth" fools, and the Jews and 
exterminationists are holding all the aces - of WHAT are they afraid?

Personal Conclusions

If this author comes across as angry about this entire issue, that is 
because I am certainly angry! After examining the issue from more than one 
side, seeing the forensic and scientific evidence offered by the 
revisionists, and in essence giving a hearing that was NOT allowed at the 
shameful post-war courts, I easily came to the conclusion that this whole 
"Holocaust" is nothing more than a "HOLO-HOAX," and deserves to be exposed 
for what it has been all along - an extortion crime of the worst degree. I 
even learned in my search that this SAME claim of genocide and of millions 
dead was floated by the Zionists after World War 1, but it was immediately 
recognized for the lie that it was, and given short shrift. I am also angry 
about the personal attacks upon legitimate scholars who question this 
historical non-event, the beatings, destruction of property, and the 
impunity with which such thugs operate in MY country. The kowtowing by 
politicians, media people, clergy, and academia to these arrogant FRAUDS is 
a disgrace. I, for one, have put my foot down.

No more unchallenged fairy tales by "survivors" as long as I am able to 
speak out!
If your community is like mine, it is visited on occasion by another of the 
millions of "holocaust survivors," who speak in our churches and our schools 
about the suffering they endured at the hands of those evil Germans, while 
the world stood by and did nothing! I do not know about you, but I am way 
past being tired of their totally baseless whining, lies, and extortion. 
Certainly, a number of Jews did suffer the depredations of war - but no more 
than any other peoples. Those responsible for the executions and extortion 
payments in the form of reparations should be made to face the music of 
perjury trials at the very minimum. When they cry that they lost their 
entire family - MANY people lost their entire families in that war, and Jews 
deserve no more or no less sympathy than anyone else. I'll admit, however, 
that it is quite difficult to feel sympathy for the legions of lying 
vampires who rake in tons of extortion money off the labor of falsely 
accused people every year. The German nation should be exonerated of this 
despicably assigned GUILT, and the historical record set straight. It is 
past time to get in the faces of these LIARS, and put them to the test with 
honest questioning. They will not engage in debate, unless they can turn the 
debate AWAY from the intellectual and logical to the EMOTIONAL - which they 
will do every time! They know that in any debate between logic and emotion, 
logic loses every time! Thus their personal attacks upon those who question 
them, and the inevitable name calling - Nazi, anti-Semite, and others. To 
those who push and support this Holocaust fairy tale, I say, IF it is an 
historical event, then it is as subject to dissection and discussion as any 
other historical event. IF, on the other hand, it is a religion - which is 
certainly what its adherents have made of it over the decades - then get it 
out of our schools!! Here's another confession from this confirmed 
"Holocaust" denier - "sticks and stones.."

Bibliography

Butz, Arthur R.: The Hoax of the 20th Century. Richmond , Surrey , England : 
Historical Review Press, 1976
DuPont Material Safety Data Sheet (Hydrogen Cyanide): Hazardous Materials 
Manual, 1991 Ed.
Faurrison, Robert: "The Mechanics of Gassing." Journal of Historical Review, 
1.1 (1980), pp. 23-30
Faurrison, Robert: "The Problem of the 'Gas Chambers'." Journal of 
Historical Review, 1.2 (1980), p.1.
Felderer, Ditlieb: " Auschwitz Notebook." Journal of Historical Review, 1.2 
(1980), pp. 169-172
Irving, David: "Battleship Auschwitz ." Journal of Historical Review, 10.4 
(1990), pp.491-508
Leuchter, Fred A.: The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth, Toronto : 
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 EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT JEWS BEREZOVSKY, NEVZLIN, MOGILEVICH AND
GUSINSKI MURDERED LITVINENKO, BECAUSE HE KNEW TOO MUCH AND WAS
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On Aug 12, 1:32 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Boedi...@isp.com wrote:
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> || On Aug 11, 9:29 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> ||| Putin aides attack Miliband's family in a bid to undermine him over
> ||| Litvinenko saga
> ||| By MARTIN DELGADO - 11th August 2007
> |||
> ||| The grandfather of Foreign Secretary David Miliband has been
> ||| dragged into
> ||| the diplomatic stand-off between Britain and Russia - more than 40
> ||| years after his death.
> ||
> ||  And yet one more jew in high places in the British government.
>
> .
>
> Are you really so badly informed that you don't know politicians on both
> sides of the house support the stance Milliband and the government have
> taken?

And how would you know that? Being in NZ and being as stupid as a
stump!



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 MAY YOU ROT IN JEW SHIT, ARSEHOLE 




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"Nomen Nescio"  wrote in message 
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> Read it all here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/39uzjn
>
> Thanks, jews, for dragging the US
> into your splendid little war.

You better believe it! Once mighty army could not defend America now even 
>from North Korea! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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WHEN AMERICA IS CRYING

WHEN 10% OF AMERICANS SLEEP IN CARDBOARD BOXES

WHEN THOUSANDS OF YOUNG AMERICANS ARE DYING FOR THE JEWISH EMPIRE

WHEN A MILLION IRAQIS LAY DEAD, MURDERED BY YOUR SQUANDREL ARMY 




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 wrote in message 
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> On Aug 11, 11:33 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>  > Let us be clear: The real purpose of Holocaust denial is to degrade 
>> and
>>
>> > dehumanize the Jewish people.
>>
>> NOTHING OF THE KIND, NOBODY DEHUMANIZES JEWS MORE THAN THEY DEHUMANIZE
>> THEMSELVES. AUSCHWITZ OF GAZA PROVES THAT JEWS ARE INHUMAN NAZI ROBOTS!
>>
>>
>>
>> > -- Abdurrahaman Wahid,former president of Indonesia; Israel Lau,
>> > Buchenwald survivor and former Chief Rabbi of Israel- Hide quoted 
>> > text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Take a plane and get special status to be a humane worker for the
> Palestinians. Do
> something useful instead of spewing hatred.
>
> Michael Ragland
Just came from there five days ago. I can tell you that no Nazi camp looked 
worse than Gaza is right now! 




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 Fatigue Cripples US Army In Iraq
by Peter Beaumont
Exhaustion and combat stress are besieging US troops in Iraq as they
battle with a new type of warfare. Some even rely on Red Bull to get
through the day. As desertions and absences increase, the military is
struggling to cope with the crisis

Lieutenant Clay Hanna looks sick and white. Like his colleagues he
does not seem to sleep. Hanna says he catches up by napping on a cot
between operations in the command centre, amid the noise of radio. He
is up at 6am and tries to go to sleep by 2am or 3am. But there are
operations to go on, planning to be done and after-action reports that
need to be written. And war interposes its own deadly agenda that
requires his attention and wakes him up.

When he emerges from his naps there is something old and paper-thin
about his skin, something sketchy about his movements as the days go
by.The Americans he commands, like the other men at Sullivan - a
combat outpost in Zafraniya, south east Baghdad - hit their cots when
they get in from operations. But even when they wake up there is
something tired and groggy about them. They are on duty for five days
at a time and off for two days. When they get back to the forward
operating base, they do their laundry and sleep and count the days
until they will get home. It is an exhaustion that accumulates over
the patrols and the rotations, over the multiple deployments, until it
all joins up, wiping out any memory of leave or time at home. Until
life is nothing but Iraq.

Hanna and his men are not alone in being tired most of the time. A
whole army is exhausted and worn out. You see the young soldiers
washed up like driftwood at Baghdad's international airport, waiting
to go on leave or returning to their units, sleeping on their body
armour on floors and in the dust.

Where once the war in Iraq was defined in conversations with these men
by untenable ideas - bringing democracy or defeating al-Qaeda - these
days the war in Iraq is defined by different ways of expressing the
idea of being weary. It is a theme that is endlessly reiterated as you
travel around Iraq. 'The army is worn out. We are just keeping people
in theatre who are exhausted,' says a soldier working for the US army
public affairs office who is supposed to be telling me how well things
have been going since the 'surge' in Baghdad began.

They are not supposed to talk like this. We are driving and another of
the public affairs team adds bitterly: 'We should just be allowed to
tell the media what is happening here. Let them know that people are
worn out. So that their families know back home. But it's like we've
become no more than numbers now.'

The first soldier starts in again. 'My husband was injured here. He
hit an improvised explosive device. He already had a spinal injury.
The blast shook out the plates. He's home now and has serious issues
adapting. But I'm not allowed to go back home to see him. If I wanted
to see him I'd have to take leave time (two weeks). And the army
counts it.'

A week later, in the northern city of Mosul, an officer talks
privately. 'We're plodding through this,' he says after another patrol
and another ambush in the city centre. 'I don't know how much more
plodding we've got left in us.'

When the soldiers talk like this there is resignation. There is a
corrosive anger, too, that bubbles out, like the words pouring
unbidden from a chaplain's assistant who has come to bless a patrol.
'Why don't you tell the truth? Why don't you journalists write that
this army is exhausted?'

It is a weariness that has created its own culture of superstition.
There are vehicle commanders who will not let the infantrymen in the
back fall asleep on long operations - not because they want the men
alert, but because, they say, bad things happen when people fall
asleep. So the soldiers drink multiple cans of Rip It and Red Bull to
stay alert and wired.

But the exhaustion of the US army emerges most powerfully in the
details of these soldiers' frayed and worn-out lives. Everywhere you
go you hear the same complaints: soldiers talk about divorces, or
problems with the girlfriends that they don't see, or about the
children who have been born and who are growing up largely without
them.

'I counted it the other day,' says a major whose partner is also a
soldier. 'We have been married for five years. We added up the days.
Because of Iraq and Afghanistan we have been together for just seven
months. Seven months ... We are in a bad place. I don't know whether
this marriage can survive it.'

The anecdotal evidence on the ground confirms what others - prominent
among them General Colin Powell, the former US Secretary of State -
have been insisting for months now: that the US army is 'about
broken'. Only a third of the regular army's brigades now qualify as
combat-ready. Officers educated at the elite West Point academy are
leaving at a rate not seen in 30 years, with the consequence that the
US army has a shortfall of 3,000 commissioned officers - and the
problem is expected to worsen.

And it is not only the soldiers that are worn out. The wars in Iraq
and Afghanistan have led to the destruction, or wearing out, of 40 per
cent of the US army's equipment, totalling at a recent count $212bn
(=A3105bn).

But it is in the soldiers themselves - and in the ordinary stories
they tell - that the exhaustion of the US military is most obvious,
coming amid warnings that soldiers serving multiple Iraq deployments,
now amounting to several years, are 50 per cent more likely than those
with one tour to suffer from acute combat stress.

The army's exhaustion is reflected in problems such as the rate of
desertion and unauthorised absences - a problem, it was revealed
earlier this year, that had increased threefold on the period before
the war in Afghanistan and had resulted in thousands of negative
discharges.

'They are scraping to get people to go back and people are worn out,'
said Thomas Grieger, a senior US navy psychiatrist, told the
International Herald Tribune in April.

'Modern war is exhausting,' says Major Stacie Caswell, an occupational
therapist with a combat stress unit attached to the military hospital
in Mosul. Her unit runs long group sessions to help soldiers with
emerging mental health and discipline problems: often they have seen
friends killed and injured, or are having problems stemming from
issues at home - responsible for 50 to 60 per cent of their cases. One
of the most common problems in Iraq is sleep disorders.

'This is a different kind of war,' says Caswell. 'In World War II it
was clear who the good guys and the bad guys were. You knew what you
would go through on the battlefield.' Now she says the threat is all
around. And soldiering has changed. 'Now we have so many things to
do...'

'And the soldier in Vietnam,' interjects Sergeant John Valentine from
the same unit, 'did not get to see the coverage from home that these
soldiers do. We see what is going on at home on the political scene.
They think the war is going to end. Then we have the frustration and
confusion. That is fatiguing. Mentally tiring.'

'Not only that,' says Caswell, 'but because of the nature of what we
do now, the number of tasks in comparison with previous generations -
even as you are finishing your 15 months here you are immediately
planning and training for your next tour.' Valentine adds: 'There is
no decompression.'

The consequence is a deep-seated problem of retention and recruitment
that in turn, says Caswell, has led the US army to reduce its
standards for joining the military, particularly over the issue of no
longer looking too hard at any previous history of mental illness. 'It
is a question of honesty, and we are not investigating too deeply or
we are issuing waivers. The consequence is that we are seeing people
who do not have the same coping skills when they get here, and this
can be difficult.

'We are also seeing older soldiers coming in - up to 41 years old -
and that is causing its own problems. They have difficulty dealing
with the physical impact of the war and also interacting with the
younger men.'

Valentine says: 'We are not only watering down the quality of the
soldiers but the leadership too. The good leaders get out. I've seen
it. And right now we are on the down slope.'

'War tsar' calls for return of the draft to take the strain

America's 'war tsar' has called for the nation's political leaders to
consider bringing back the draft to help a military exhausted by wars
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In a radio interview, Lieutenant General Douglas Lute said the option
had always been open to boost America's all-volunteer army by drafting
in young men in the same way as happened in Vietnam. 'I think it makes
sense to consider it,' he said. Lute was appointed 'war tsar' earlier
this year after President Bush decided a single figure was needed to
oversee the nation's military efforts abroad.

Rumours of a return to the draft have long circulated in military
circles as the pressure from fighting two large conflicts at the same
time builds on America's forces. However, politically it would be
extremely difficult to achieve, especially for any leader hoping to be
elected in 2008. Bush has previously ruled out the suggestion as
unnecessary.

Lute, however, said the war was causing stress to military families
and, as a result, was having an impact on levels of re-enlistment.
'This kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living-room
conversations within these families. Ultimately the health of the all-
volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family
decisions,' he said.

A draft would revive bad memories of the turmoil of the 1960s and
early 1970s when tens of thousands of young men were drafted to fight
and die in Vietnam. Few other policies proved as divisive in America
and the memories of anti-war protesters burning their draft cards and
fleeing to Canada are still vivid in the memory.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/12/3129/



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On Aug 12, 12:45 pm, Aviroce  wrote:
> On Aug 12, 11:00 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Alex honor killing has much to do with the Islamic concepts!
>
> > Mind you you are right as according to the same report we have cases
> > there of domestic violence, rape, gang rape and chopping off of body
> > parts are on the rise.
>
> > Also interestingly it states culprits of honour killings are acquitted
> > in most cases and claims that the judiciary shows leniency towards these
> > crimes. It has been held by the courts that =3Fa murder committed on
> > account of ghairat (honour) is no offence=3F, claims the report.
>
> >http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007/08/12/story_12-8-2007
> > _pg7_16
>
> > Staff Report
>
> > ISLAMABAD: Around 1,707 honour killings were reported in Punjab from
> > 1997 to 2003, making the province the leader with regards to gender-
> > related violence.
>
> > According to statistics compiled by the Human Rights Commission of
> > Pakistan (HRCP), 172 cases of honour killing were reported in Punjab in
> > 2003, of which 16 victims were minors, 69 were single women and 61 were
> > married.
>
> > The HRCP has also reported that 82 percent of women in rural Punjab
> > feared violence from their husbands over minor matters and 52 percent of
> > wives admitted to being beaten by their husbands in the most developed
> > urban areas. Women are rarely compensated for injuries sustained by
> > them, particularly in domestic violence, and most victims are not aware
> > of their rights, reports the HRCP.
>
> > > A woman mourns Saturday at a relative's grave in Najaf. Families
> > > across Iraq remembered loved ones Saturday.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> In 2002 I attended a conference in Houston, Tx for many groups
> including African Americans, and Latinos.   I was surprised that one
> Ph.D. research paper on fertility among Latinos used Muslim moral
> standards as the norm for women's morality in Latin America.  Latin
> America holds Muslim women to the highest standards.  Muslims hold
> their women to the highest standards.  Sometimes these high standards
> must be defended.  (Please see my article on Western women as
> Latrines.)

So true I could not agree more. Many non muslims in Asia and Africa do
use musli8m moral standards as gauge for their own morality, including
the Copts of Egypt and Jews of Ethiopia




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Subject: Re: YES, WE HAVE SLAUGHTERED ONE MILLION PEOPLE, YOU AND I !
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On Aug 12, 10:49 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Wrong Alex, Muslim fundamentialist have killed more then five million
> people in the past 50 years.
>

ONLY FIVE MILLION? WELL THAT IS ONLY THE NUMBER THEY KILLED IN
VIETNAM, YOU FORGOT TO COUNT THE MUSLIM ATROCITIES IN NICARAGUA,
PANAMA,EL SALVADOR ETC. ETC.



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On Aug 13, 11:03 am, Michael Ejercito  wrote:
> On Aug 13, 6:02 am, Venceremos  wrote:> On Aug 12, 10:49 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>
> > > Wrong Alex, Muslim fundamentialist have killed more then five million
> > > people in the past 50 years.
>
> > ONLY FIVE MILLION? WELL THAT IS ONLY THE NUMBER THEY KILLED IN
> > VIETNAM,
>
>    Yes, Ho chi Minh was responsible for millions of Vietnamese deaths
> when he launched a war of aggression.
>
>  Michael

Really? Was Ho, also muslim?



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 13, 10:15 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Idiot Alex, Sudan is not Vietnam!

Absolutely not!  Sudan is a civil war, and in Vietnam we fought a war
of agression! Big diff!

>
> > ONLY FIVE MILLION? WELL THAT IS ONLY THE NUMBER THEY KILLED IN
> > VIETNAM,




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 13, 10:18 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Alex apparently she has immense wealth!!!

And what does Suha have to do with the price of cheese?

I searched far and wide and I found no evidence of the wealth you are
blabbering about!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: US labels Lebanon's Fatah al-Islam as terrorist organization
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On Aug 13, 10:25 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually the US has blacklisted them as a "foreign terrorist
> organization"

US has blacklisted many good people in the  world as "terrorists"
which they are not. The real terrorists are ZioNazis who run this
country and manipulate the world.



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On Aug 13, 10:28 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> The two men do have Muslim names Alex just read the article
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2237940.ece
>
> A hidden world in which Asian men =3Fgroom=3F young white girls for sex has
> been exposed with the jailing yesterday of two men for child-abuse
> offences.
>
> Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were
> each jailed

They certainly deserve more than they got!



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On Aug 13, 10:27 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually Alex it is not the US army but the Labanese

Lebanon has no army in Iraq, you stupid uneduvated moronic idiot!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: U.S. commander claims success in key Iraq province
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On Aug 12, 11:03 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Wrong Alex it was in Iraq's Diyala River valley, which is one of the
> main targets of an American offensive over the past several months.
>
> "We influence the entire Diyala River valley," Lieutenant-Colonel Andrew
> Poppas, commander of U.S. forces in the valley north of the town of
> Baquba, told journalists in a video conference.
>
> "We have forces throughout the Diyala valley in key critical nodes. We
> cross any line of communications, deny the enemy any freedom of
> movement. Everything they do is watched," he said.

...They are professional murderers who will eventually face the rope!



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On Aug 13, 10:02 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> || EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT JEWS BEREZOVSKY, NEVZLIN, MOGILEVICH AND
> || GUSINSKI MURDERED LITVINENKO, BECAUSE HE KNEW TOO MUCH AND WAS
> || RETURNING BACK TO RUSSIA
>
> MORON.
> You are full of shit.

You are full of shit Tilly! It is very logical to say the least.
Litvinenko was in Limeyland for a number of years, Putin had no reason
to get rid of him. Litvinenko had given the Jews all he knew!

Read Izvestia, the story of his request to return to Russia has been
published BEFORE he was poisoned by Jew Berezovsky!



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 13, 10:01 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Daniel Bernard wrote:
>
> || On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:29:06 +1200, "Tilly" || wrote:
>
> ||
> ||| Putin aides attack Miliband's family in a bid to undermine him over
> ||| Litvinenko saga
> ||| By MARTIN DELGADO - 11th August 2007
> |||
> |||
> ||| The grandfather of Foreign Secretary David Miliband has been
> ||| dragged into the diplomatic stand-off between Britain and Russia -
> ||| more than 40 years after his death.
> |||
> ||| Last week - as the two countries continued to trade insults over
> ||| Moscow's refusal to hand over the man suspected of Alexander
> ||| Litvinenko's murder - Mr Miliband was accused of inheriting a
> ||| "hatred" of Russia from his Polish-born Jewish grandfather Samuel.
> |||
> || Hang about! What is anti-semitic about saying a guy is anti-Russian?
>
> It's pretty self explanatory Daniel:
> I suggest you reread the article.S_l_o_w_l_y

You are very, very stupid Tilly! There is nothing anti semitic about
the remark most especially since neithe Milliband nor any European Jew
are semites!



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 13, 8:41 am, Jason P  wrote:
> 13/08/2007
>
> 32 Palestinians Killed, 113 wounded by Israeli troops in late July
>
> GAZA, Palestine, August 13, 2007 (IPC) - -A recent report monitoring
> the Israeli violations against the Palestinian people indicated that
> Israeli occupation forces have killed 32 Palestinians and injured 113
> others during the last July, in 2214 violations.
>
> The report, which was prepared by the Palestinian National Information
> Center (PNIC) pointed out that between 1-13/7/2007, Israeli forces
> used its military arsenal against the Palestinian civilian population,
> in addition to exercising arbitrary measures and collective punishment
> policies against them, including the constant closures and economic
> blockade, shelling of civilian population centers and incursions.
>
> The report added that Israeli forces opened fire 222 times against
> citizens and their properties, killing 32 and injuring 113 others.
> Israeli forces also launched 391 arrest campaigns, in which 668
> citizens were arrested.
>
> In addition, Israeli forces installed 409 military roadblocks and
> checkpoints during the past week, according to the report, in addition
> to preventing passengers and goods from accessing vital roads 145
> times.
>
> As for the attacks of Israeli settlers, the report affirmed that armed
> settler gangs assaulted Palestinian citizens 39 times during the same
> period.
>
> With this report, Israel would have committed 33144 violations since
> early 2007. During these violations, Israeli forces killed
> 198Palestinians and injured 1002 as well as establishing 3312
> roadblocks, arresting 3316citizens and expropriating 85 times
> Palestinian-owned lands for the sake of constructing the Apartheid
> Wall, while settlers assaulted Palestinians during this period 182
> times.

Transposing this on a percentage basis, it would as if Jews killed
9600 Americans and wounded another 33,000!

Would we scream if Jews did that to Americans!



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On Aug 13, 5:11 pm, Charlie Wolf  wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 04:40:05 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
>
>  wrote:
> >Read it all here:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/39uzjn
>
> >Thanks, jews, for dragging the US
> >into your splendid little war.
>
> Now if the Army could only figure out how to get rid of maggot little
> anti-semites like you, maybe we could all breathe a little easier...
> Regards,

And what makes him into an "anti semite"? The fact that he loves
America?



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 AND SO ARE ALL HIS ZIONAZI ADVISERS AND TUTORS, THEY WILL ALL END UP AT THE 
END OF THE ROPE 




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 THERE IS NOTHING TO REVISE ARSEHOLE. GAZA IS SIMPLY A KONZLAGER OF THE 
JEWISH EMPIRE 




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" > ElParedon is an honest writer.  He writes the facts he collected over
> the years.  He is highly respectable among people other than Jews and
> Zionists.  But then these Jews and Zionists are dehumanizing non-Jews
> to achieve supremacy among the people of this planet converting non-
> Jews to mere slaves.  Obviously, ElParedon sees you for what you are
> and tells the truth about you.
>
> ElParedon is actually being threatened by your post as you are not
> only conveying his business address and possibly his home address, but
> you allude to having Jews and Zionists wishing to kill him without a
> trace.  I feel your post should be given to the FBI for
> investigation.  And should I miss ElParedon's post I will inform the
> FBI of your threat.  You are evil.  Zionists represent Evil.  Zionists
> are satanic cult of greed and savagery.  Someday they will meet their
> match.

Thanks Avi! I wish I had a buck for every threat i received from the 
Zionists, I would be a rich man. FBI knows about the threats and my lawyer 
is working on the trash paper who printed lies about me.

I really apreciate your support! Venceremos! 




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 George Bush the war criminal, Shaboos goy of Kikeland is a war criminal, he 
has slaughtered one million Iraqis. He will be tried some day for his 
crimes, together with his ZioNazi cogorts! 




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 JEWS KILLED ARAFAT, BECAUSE THEY WERE TERRIFIED FROM HIM,  EVERYBODY KNOWS 
THAT! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "Nomen Nescio"  wrote in message
>> news:fbafd0231a1ac2218cd4dae7277620e0@dizum.com...
>> > Read it all here:
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/39uzjn
>> >
>> > Thanks, jews, for dragging the US
>> > into your splendid little war.
>>
>> You better believe it! Once mighty army could not defend America now even
>> from North Korea!

In fact Lower Slobovia could beat USA hands down! 




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"Rootmaster"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:41:36 -0700, Aviroce 
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 11, 2:39 pm, pleyl...@bigpond.net.au (Ms Buyers) wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:43 -0400, "ElParedon" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/
>>>
>>> Begging for money from the Gentile to line jew pockets is Oy Vey
>>> McVay's stock in trade.
>>
>>SOON THESE JEWS WILL HAVE TO REFUND THE MONEY.  THE GERMAN ARCHIVES
>>HAVE BEEN OPENED TO RESEARCHERS AND THE FACTS ARE LYING IN THERE.
>>ELPAREDON'S HYPOTHESIS WILL BE VERIFIED AS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HOLO-
>>HOAX.  ELPAREDON IS COMMENDED FOR HIS WORK ON THIS ISSUE.  ELPAREDON
>>IS GETTING "JEWISH RIDE" ON THE WORLD COMMUNITY.  SIMPLY BECAUSE THE
>>"RIDE" IS A HOAX.  THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SELLING ROTTEN EGGS.  THEY
>>STINK.
>
> The eleventh jew commandment:  no cash refunds.

That is what Jews thought in 1939 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> Arabs kill Americans, and Jews are blamed. Sound familiar?

JEWS SET USA UP, BUSH IS A JEWISH PUPPET, ALL HE DOES IS FOR JEWS ONLY!
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1186924011.250034.97420@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> Five U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq
>> Story Highlights
>> NEW: Five U.S. soldiers killed, four injured south of Baghdad on
>> Saturday
>
>> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) - Five U.S. soldiers were killed south of Baghdad
>> on Saturday in two separate incidents, the U.S. military said Sunday.
>
>> A woman mourns Saturday at a relative's grave in Najaf. Families
>> across Iraq remembered loved ones Saturday.
>>
>> One soldier was killed by small arms fire while on patrol in southeast
>> Baghdad. The other four soldiers were killed in an explosion during
>> combat operations south of the capital, the military said. Four
>> soldiers were wounded in the blast.
>>
>> The military said all nine soldiers were part of Task Force Marne,
>> which operates in Baghdad and on the southern outskirts of the capital
>> city.
>>
>> The latest deaths bring to 3,689 the number of U.S. military personnel
>> who have died in the Iraq war since it began in 2003.
>>
>> Also on Saturday, the governor and police chief of a southern Shiite
>> province in Iraq were killed Saturday when a roadside bomb struck
>> their convoy, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said.
>>
>> The bomb killed Qadisiya province Gov. Khalil Jalil Hamza and
>> Brig .Gen. Khalid Abed Hassan, the provincial police chief.
>>
>> Three of the governor's bodyguards were slain and three others were
>> wounded. Hamza and Hassan were riding in the same vehicle.
>>
>> The province has been the scene of some violence between Shiite
>> factions, and U.S.-led coalition forces have taken on militants in the
>> provincial capital, Diwaniya.
>>
>> The attack occurred in Afak, more than 18 miles (30 kilometers) east
>> of Diwaniya, after the officials attended a funeral for a sheik.
>>
>> Also Saturday, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other top
>> Justice Department officials arrived in Baghdad on an unannounced trip
>> to assess Iraqi efforts to improve law enforcement and judiciary
>> functions in Iraq.
>>
>> Gonzales was accompanied by Michael Sullivan, acting director of the
>> Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and John Clark,
>> director of the U.S. Marshals Service.
>>
>> Gonzales and his entourage are holding a series of meetings with key
>> U.S. military and civilian officials and their Iraqi counterparts
>> seeking to improve security in the war-ravaged country.
>>
>> The delegation met with some of the more than 200 Justice Department
>> employees stationed with the military in Iraq and with the top U.S.
>> military commander, Gen. David Petraeus.
>>
>> They also met with the Iraqi Supreme Court chief justice, the interior
>> minister and the minister of human rights.
>>
>> Gonzales' visit is expected to be brief. He is scheduled to address a
>> police officers convention in Louisville, Kentucky, on Tuesday
>> morning.
>>
>> Also on Saturday, the bodies of 11 people were found on Baghdad
>> streets, police told CNN.
>>
>> A total of 173 bodies have been found on the streets of the capital
>> this month. The people are thought to be victims of sectarian
>> violence.
>>
>> The number of such corpses discovered in the past few days has been
>> lower than usual; six were found Friday and nine Thursday.
>>
>> There had been strict security and a vehicle ban in the capital
>> through much of the week because of the Shiite pilgrimage to the
>> Kadhimiya shrine in the northwestern part of the city.
>>
>> Coalition forces targeting al Qaeda in Iraq on Saturday detained two
>> people with suspected links to a July 16 suicide truck bombing that
>> killed 80 people in Kirkuk, the U.S. military said.
>>
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/12/iraq.main/index.html
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1186922901.250686.42920@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> GEORGE W. BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL, AND MUST BE TRIED AS SUCH!<

YEP, ARABS ARE GOING TO GET YOU GARBY. STRING YOU UP AND CUT YOUR BALLS OFF 
BEFORE STUFFING THEM UP YOUR FILTHY TRAP! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: 4.5 BILLION YEAR, WAR CRIME LEGACY!
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Bush And DU: A 4.5 Billion Year Legacy
Jeff Berg, Countercurrents.org



      12 August, 2007


      If the Bush family and their coterie of handlers were looking for a 
long lasting legacy they most surely have found the longest lasting one 
possible by their sanctioning of DU munitions. DU stands for Depleted 
Uranium and is what is left over after one has finished the process of 
making a nuclear bomb.

      This poison will remain toxic for 4.5 billion years. The American 
military has acknowledged having a billion pounds of the stuff, how much 
more it really has is anybody's guess and at such levels what does it really 
matter? After all inhaling a couple of microns of this stuff is the 
equivalent to about 50 times the legal allowable limit of radioactivity for 
someone who works at a nuclear power plant. It is also the equivalent in one 
breath of the damage it would take a pack a day smoker 20 years worth of 
smoky inhales to 'achieve'.

      The U.S. military keeps this billion pounds worth of material under 
lock and key in guarded military installations, underground, contained by 
cement and stored in barrels because they have known since 1943 just how 
dangerous is this stuff.

      It is at its most dangerous when broken down into tiny particles and 
aerosolized. This is how the U.S. Army first used this substance after the 
Second World War testing its properties as a weaponized gas. The geniuses at 
DARPA (R&D team for the Pentagon) have however gone that one better.

      And what has American military science done with this nightmare 
leftover from the making of tens of thousands of nuclear bombs? It has used 
it to make ordnance and munitions. You see DU is 1.7 times the density of 
lead and goes through armour plating like the proverbial hot knife through 
butter. Simultaneously it is pyroforic (burns) and when it bursts into 
flames it releases millions of micron sized toxic DU particles into the air.

      The result of the use of thousands of tons of DU munitions in Gulf 
Wars I and II has been to spread trillions of micron sized particles of 
Depleted Uranium into the sands and air of Iraq. At least that is where it 
started its life or rather better said its death march. The Middle East is 
after all rather well known for sands and dust and winds and so where it 
will stop its 4.5 billion year journey nobody knows.

      Sufficed to say every corner of the world can expect to be visited 
many upon many times before this unholy waste has run the natural course of 
its unnatural life.

      If you'd like to know more about this crime against the planet and 
humanity simply Google: Leuren Moret DU

      Dr. Moret is an atomic physicist who used to work for the American 
military industrial complex and now has lectured in more than 40 countries 
worldwide about the horrors and hazards of DU munitions.

      www.pledgeTOgreen.ca





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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1187039295.241528.165740@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 2:22 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> > Dr. Gerstenfeld who speaks English, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian, French and
>> > German cites the example of a how a leading Dutch reporter in Israel
>> > conducted an 'exclusive' interview with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, 
>> > the
>> > Palestinian prime minister of Gaza, but failed to question him about 
>> > the
>> > Hamas charter calling for 'genocide of the Jews'.
>>
>> Dodie you are the biggest liar there is. If Hamas charter ca;lls for
>> the destruction of the fascist, apartheid state of Israel, it does not
>> mean that it calls for the genocide of Jews!
>
> From Hamas charter.
>
> Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the
> cowards never sleep."

SO WHERE IS THE GENOCIDE? YOU LYING USTASHA BASTARD! 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> Arabs kill Americans, and Jews are blamed. Sound familiar?

In this case it is Jews and Americans kill Americans. If you invade 
somebody's country expect to be killed!
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1186924011.250034.97420@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> Five U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq
>> Story Highlights
>> NEW: Five U.S. soldiers killed, four injured south of Baghdad on
>> Saturday
>
>> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) - Five U.S. soldiers were killed south of Baghdad
>> on Saturday in two separate incidents, the U.S. military said Sunday.
>
>> A woman mourns Saturday at a relative's grave in Najaf. Families
>> across Iraq remembered loved ones Saturday.
>>
>> One soldier was killed by small arms fire while on patrol in southeast
>> Baghdad. The other four soldiers were killed in an explosion during
>> combat operations south of the capital, the military said. Four
>> soldiers were wounded in the blast.
>>
>> The military said all nine soldiers were part of Task Force Marne,
>> which operates in Baghdad and on the southern outskirts of the capital
>> city.
>>
>> The latest deaths bring to 3,689 the number of U.S. military personnel
>> who have died in the Iraq war since it began in 2003.
>>
>> Also on Saturday, the governor and police chief of a southern Shiite
>> province in Iraq were killed Saturday when a roadside bomb struck
>> their convoy, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said.
>>
>> The bomb killed Qadisiya province Gov. Khalil Jalil Hamza and
>> Brig .Gen. Khalid Abed Hassan, the provincial police chief.
>>
>> Three of the governor's bodyguards were slain and three others were
>> wounded. Hamza and Hassan were riding in the same vehicle.
>>
>> The province has been the scene of some violence between Shiite
>> factions, and U.S.-led coalition forces have taken on militants in the
>> provincial capital, Diwaniya.
>>
>> The attack occurred in Afak, more than 18 miles (30 kilometers) east
>> of Diwaniya, after the officials attended a funeral for a sheik.
>>
>> Also Saturday, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other top
>> Justice Department officials arrived in Baghdad on an unannounced trip
>> to assess Iraqi efforts to improve law enforcement and judiciary
>> functions in Iraq.
>>
>> Gonzales was accompanied by Michael Sullivan, acting director of the
>> Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and John Clark,
>> director of the U.S. Marshals Service.
>>
>> Gonzales and his entourage are holding a series of meetings with key
>> U.S. military and civilian officials and their Iraqi counterparts
>> seeking to improve security in the war-ravaged country.
>>
>> The delegation met with some of the more than 200 Justice Department
>> employees stationed with the military in Iraq and with the top U.S.
>> military commander, Gen. David Petraeus.
>>
>> They also met with the Iraqi Supreme Court chief justice, the interior
>> minister and the minister of human rights.
>>
>> Gonzales' visit is expected to be brief. He is scheduled to address a
>> police officers convention in Louisville, Kentucky, on Tuesday
>> morning.
>>
>> Also on Saturday, the bodies of 11 people were found on Baghdad
>> streets, police told CNN.
>>
>> A total of 173 bodies have been found on the streets of the capital
>> this month. The people are thought to be victims of sectarian
>> violence.
>>
>> The number of such corpses discovered in the past few days has been
>> lower than usual; six were found Friday and nine Thursday.
>>
>> There had been strict security and a vehicle ban in the capital
>> through much of the week because of the Shiite pilgrimage to the
>> Kadhimiya shrine in the northwestern part of the city.
>>
>> Coalition forces targeting al Qaeda in Iraq on Saturday detained two
>> people with suspected links to a July 16 suicide truck bombing that
>> killed 80 people in Kirkuk, the U.S. military said.
>>
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/12/iraq.main/index.html
>>
>
>
>
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> 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 13, 6:02 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 10:49 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>>
>> > Wrong Alex, Muslim fundamentialist have killed more then five million
>> > people in the past 50 years.
>>
>> ONLY FIVE MILLION? WELL THAT IS ONLY THE NUMBER THEY KILLED IN
>> VIETNAM,
>   Yes, Ho chi Minh was responsible for millions of Vietnamese deaths
> when he launched a war of aggression.
>
>
> Michael
Agression? Who was Ho agressing against? Invaders of his own country! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:43:19 EDT 2007
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From: "ElParedon" 
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      August 13, 2007

      One gets a glimpse of Apartheid Israel's savage criminality in many 
ways, but none highlights the terrorist actions of the Zionist settler 
colony more than its treatment of Palestinian children. We read in Ma'an on 
Monday:

        Israeli troops abducted a Palestinian girl, Amina Abu Mandeel, aged 
14, from the central Gaza Strip on Sunday.

        Amina was tending a herd of sheep near the border fence between Gaza 
and Israel, east of Al Maghazi refugee camp, when she was seized.
      Tragic accounts like this one occur with frequency in Zionist-Occupied 
Palestine, but unlike this case, the antagonists are usually AshkeNazi 
Squatters living on the dole and not the government itself. Less than 3 
weeks ago, the pro-Apartheid Jerusalem Post reported:
        A young Palestinian shepherd was... attacked near the Kusra village 
located south of Nablus... The attackers were armed settlers.

        The youth was rushed to a Nablus hospital in moderate condition, 
suffering fractures in his arms and legs...

        Two settlers driving an SUV fired in the air, attacked the boy and 
drove him on the vehicle to the nearby Village of Duma...
      The anti-Semitic Squatters serve as Apartheid Israel's Shock Troops, 
terrorizing the indigenous Palestinians as a means of compelling them to 
leave their homeland.

      They never attack adults who fight back. Instead, they attack children 
and vandalize property (burning down olive groves is another of their 
favorite hobbies). Apartheid Israel approves of these actions. Squatter 
terrorism preserves plausible deniability for the government, which 
sanctions the most overt terrorism while punishing the victims - the 
children of Palestine.
        A report issued by Defense for Children International (DCI), called 
"Children Behind Bars", found that during 2006 and the first half of 2007, 
the vast majority of children apprehended by the Israeli forces were 
imprisoned. Only 3 to 5% of the juveniles abducted were granted bail pending 
trial....

        Children confessed to the charges brought against them after 
extended periods of interrogation, which occurred before their court 
appearance....

        One child, Rashed Radwa, recalls being beaten whilst blindfolded. He 
was then forced into stress positions for ten hours in cold weather. He was 
then asked to sign papers in Hebrew and when he refused his interrogator 
smashed his head against a desk...

        16-year-old Assem Lufti Abdel Lattif Khalil recounts his experience 
of torture at the hands of Israeli soldiers. He was beaten and put in a 
stress position outdoors in the rain. He spent 40 days in an interrogation 
centre.

        One 15-year-old said that he was sexually abused and beaten 
repeatedly in sensitive areas of his body.
      One often finds, in news accounts highlighting Squatter Terrorism, 
attempts by the Zionist government to divorce itself from the actions - 
usually by way of a government 'investigation'. But this report exposes that 
the AshkeNazi terrorists are cogs in their machine of occupation - 
instruments of Zionism that provide a win-win situation to the government by 
advancing Apartheid Israel's ultimate aim of Palestinian genocide without 
any of the troublesome diplomatic issues that arise when official elements 
of the government undertake such behavior.

      As revolutionaries, we must understand that for the indigenous people 
of Palestine, the only solution to this invasion is a militant fightback 
against both the the official and non-official elements of the Zionist 
occupation. While one must criticize the political leadership of the 
Palestinian people when necessary, such criticism must take into account 
their material reality - that is, a people living in the world's largest 
gulag under the boot a military dictatorship bankrolled by the world's most 
profligate death merchant.







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"Ariadne"  wrote in message 
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> Posters in Ghana discussing Jews:
>
> http://www.discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=14214&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=caf65b0362a0cdeae7c12672c877f3aa
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2kf4fu
>
> Just let your eyes glaze at the propaganda posts.

You see propaganda in your arsehole!  They are right, Today's Jews of 
Israel, have absolutely nothing in common with ancient Jews nor the 
Abrahamic semites which include indigenous people of many Arab countries, 
not just Jews.

You have to be pretty stupid not to see that Mongolized Europeans who are 
ruling Israel are not semites at all! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Ariadne"  wrote in message 
> news:1187053635.973637.11110@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> Posters in Ghana discussing Jews:
>>
>> http://www.discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=14214&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=caf65b0362a0cdeae7c12672c877f3aa
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2kf4fu
>>
>> Just let your eyes glaze at the propaganda posts.
>
> Where do you find these things? Maybe a few of us ought to take a break 
> from this sewer and educate these people.

Sewer is where you stay arsehole! One would have to be pretty stupid to 
believe that Mongolized Europeans have nothing to do with the ancient 
semites of the Land of Shem.

These kids are smart they know that! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1187038023.987702.106360@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 10:55 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>> > These must be great times for those among the Muslims and Arabs who
> would
>> > like to drive Israel into the sea - in other words, most of those two
>> > groups.
>> >
>> > Israel seems to be headed in that direction, and in the drivers' seats
> are
>> > not the successors to Yasser Arafat or even Iran's Ahmadinejad, but
> rather
>> > Ehud Olmert and Shimon Peres, the prime minister and president,
>> > respectively, of Israel.
>> >
>> > Is there anyone within reach of the emergency brake?
>>
>> There is nothing you can do, except delay the inevitable death of the
>> fascist apartheid state of Israel, which has never been anything but
>> anathema to the whole world!
>
> Islam wants the world. That is fascism. You tell more lies than their are
> grains of sand on all the beaches.

Islam has not started a single war in the past 200 years. USA has started 
108 wars to date! Go figure 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
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>> aBSOLUTELY TRUE! Westerners never wash their arse after they shit.
>> Sit next to one in a plane or a bus and you will smell the stench!
>
>
> Muslims wipe their butts with their left hands. Now how about that?
>
You are a liar, you filthy Croat son of a whore! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>> news:g%3wi.272$Qr.43@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> >
>> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>> > news:1187039295.241528.165740@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 13, 2:22 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> >> > Dr. Gerstenfeld who speaks English, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian, French
> and
>> >> > German cites the example of a how a leading Dutch reporter in Israel
>> >> > conducted an 'exclusive' interview with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh,
>> >> > the
>> >> > Palestinian prime minister of Gaza, but failed to question him about
>> >> > the
>> >> > Hamas charter calling for 'genocide of the Jews'.
>> >>
>> >> Dodie you are the biggest liar there is. If Hamas charter ca;lls for
>> >> the destruction of the fascist, apartheid state of Israel, it does not
>> >> mean that it calls for the genocide of Jews!
>> >
>> > From Hamas charter.
>> >
>> > Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May 
>> > the
>> > cowards never sleep."
>>
>> SO WHERE IS THE GENOCIDE? YOU LYING USTASHA BASTARD!
>
> It also includes verses from the Koran telling them to kill the Jews....

LIAR!
It
> is also apartheid because everyone else has to be "under Islam".
LIAR!

 It also
> calls for conquest of lands that were once Islamic, taken by force in days
> past.
LIAR!
>
> "This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia 
> (law)
> and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, 
> because
> during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these 
> lands
> to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement. "

LIAR
>
> Hamas Charter.....
>
> So, you see Alex, you are busted once again.
>
What you say is asimple hateful crap which has no basis in truth at all! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Fedayeen"  wrote in message 
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>> There are no verses in the Quran which explicitly call for the killing
>> of jews.
>>
>> Furthermore I want to state that I am really offended by this vile
>> propaganda.
>
> Hadith, and it doesn't change anything.
Hadiths are notHoly Quran, moron! 




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"Fedayeen"  wrote in message 
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> There are no verses in the Quran which explicitly call for the killing
> of jews.
>
> Furthermore I want to state that I am really offended by this vile
> propaganda.
>
 Nevar mind Dodie, ahi, he is out of his mind trying to impress some jewish 
broad he met in a Kentucky bordello! 




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Learn from the fall of Rome, US warned
By Jeremy Grant in Washington

Published: August 14 2007 00:06 | Last updated: August 14 2007 00:06

The US government is on a "burning platform" of unsustainable policies and 
practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration 
and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not 
taken soon, the country's top government inspector has warned.

David Walker, comptroller general of the US, issued the unusually downbeat 
assessment of his country's future in a report that lays out what he called 
"chilling long-term simulations".

These include "dramatic" tax rises, slashed government services and the 
large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of US debt.

Drawing parallels with the end of the Roman empire, Mr Walker warned there 
were "striking similarities" between America's current situation and the 
factors that brought down Rome, including "declining moral values and 
political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in 
foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government".

"Sound familiar?" Mr Walker said. "In my view, it's time to learn from 
history and take steps to ensure the American Republic is the first to stand 
the test of time."

Mr Walker's views carry weight because he is a non-partisan figure in charge 
of the Government Accountability Office, often described as the 
investigative arm of the US Congress.

While most of its studies are commissioned by legislators, about 10 per 
cent - such as the one containing his latest warnings - are initiated by the 
comptroller general himself.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Walker said he had mentioned 
some of the issues before but now wanted to "turn up the volume". Some of 
them were too sensitive for others in government to "have their name 
associated with".

"I'm trying to sound an alarm and issue a wake-up call," he said. "As 
comptroller general I've got an ability to look longer-range and take on 
issues that others may be hesitant, and in many cases may not be in a 
position, to take on.

"One of the concerns is obviously we are a great country but we face major 
sustainability challenges that we are not taking seriously enough," said Mr 
Walker, who was appointed during the Clinton administration to the post, 
which carries a 15-year term.

The fiscal imbalance meant the US was "on a path toward an explosion of 
 debt".

"With the looming retirement of baby boomers, spiralling healthcare costs, 
plummeting savings rates and increasing reliance on foreign lenders, we face 
unprecedented fiscal risks," said Mr Walker, a former senior executive at 
PwC auditing firm.

Current US policy on education, energy, the environment, immigration and 
Iraq also was on an "unsustainable path".

"Our very prosperity is placing greater demands on our physical 
infrastructure. Billions of dollars will be needed to modernise everything 
>from highways and airports to water and sewage systems. The recent bridge 
collapse in Minneapolis was a sobering wake-up call."

Mr Walker said he would offer to brief the would-be presidential candidates 
next spring.

"They need to make fiscal responsibility and inter-generational equity one 
of their top priorities. If they do, I think we have a chance to turn this 
around but if they don't, I think the risk of a serious crisis rises 
considerably".




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 The vanishing first lady under scrutiny in France
By Doreen Carvajal Published: August 13, 2007



PARIS: France's first ladies have often played ill-defined roles, but lately 
Cécilia Sarkozy, the wife of the French president, is getting more attention 
for her vanishing acts - most recently skipping out on a picnic with the 
Bush family in New England.

After accepting a rare, personal invitation to dine with President George W. 
Bush and his family in Kennebunkport, Maine, on Saturday, Cécilia Sarkozy 
stayed behind with her children at a luxury rental house in New Hampshire. 
She left it to President Nicolas Sarkozy to meet the Bush clan and offer 
public regrets for the glamorous 49-year-old former model.

At a news conference, the French president blamed a severe sore throat for 
his wife's absence. But on the French side of the Atlantic, newspapers 
quickly started marveling at the first lady's miraculous recovery.

The French daily Le Parisien pointed out that Cécilia Sarkozy had been 
spotted in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, the day after the lunch shopping with 
two friends. With the help of a medical expert, the newspaper calculated how 
long it would take for a severe sore throat to develop. The conclusion: her 
malady was not serious.

Le Figaro, a right-leaning daily, also took stock of the swift reappearance 
Sunday, when Cécilia Sarkozy took a stroll in shorts and a T-shirt in the 
company of two friends.

Today in Europe
Turkish presidential pick sets up clash, againGerman prosecutors weigh 
charges in case of Stasi "shoot-to-kill" orderCabinet reshuffle as Polish 
coalition cracks
Her disappearance Saturday inevitably evoked memories of other absences from 
most of Nicolas Sarkozy's biggest presidential campaign events, including 
the giddy moment that her husband claimed victory as France's new president.

She was also missing from the voting booth, which French journalists 
discovered after the election by checking public voting records. And she 
vanished again after a brief appearance at a Group of 8 summit this summer, 
leaving her husband as the only unaccompanied head of state at a gala dinner 
hosted by the German chancellor.

This time, Cécilia Sarkozy missed out on a lunch of hamburger, corn on the 
cob and blueberry pie that marked a warming in Franco-American relations, as 
Sarkozy mingled with Bush, his wife and parents, and brother Jeb.

"It didn't pass far from a diplomatic incident," the regional daily Charente 
Libre editorialized. "But without a doubt, we would have paid less attention 
to this American episode if she hadn't been so present in Tripoli at the 
behest of her husband, the president."

Cécilia Sarkozy traveled to Libya last month as a presidential emissary, 
arriving at a critical time in the European Union's efforts to win the 
release of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor convicted of 
infecting Libyan children with the HIV virus.

In two trips to Libya, she met with the prisoners and the families of the 
children along with the Libyan leader, Muammar el-Qaddafi. During her second 
trip, the nurses and doctor were freed, but critics complained that the deal 
for their release involved a ?296 million, or $405 million, weapons 
contract.

There was also unease about the role of Cécilia Sarkozy, whose aides have 
promised that she will reveal how she intends to shape her role as the first 
lady of France after the summer.

A cartoon in the influential newspaper Le Monde pictured Nicolas Sarkozy 
introducing himself to Qaddafi. "I know," snapped the Libyan leader. "You're 
Cécilia's husband."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/13/news/sarkozy.php 




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From:  Venceremos 
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 United States is the main fanacier of terror. No other terrorist has
come even close to killing a million people like George Bush has.



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 14, 5:45 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
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> news:Le8wi.404$wN3.390@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
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> > "DoD"  wrote in message
> >news:46c104b5$0$20539$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
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> > > "Ariadne"  wrote in message
> > >news:1187053635.973637.11110@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > >> Posters in Ghana discussing Jews:
>
> http://www.discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=14214&postdays=0&...
>
>
>
> > >>http://tinyurl.com/2kf4fu
>
> > >> Just let your eyes glaze at the propaganda posts.
>
> > > Where do you find these things? Maybe a few of us ought to take a break
> > > from this sewer and educate these people.
>
> > Sewer is where you stay arsehole! One would have to be pretty stupid to
> > believe that Mongolized Europeans have nothing to do with the ancient
> > semites of the Land of Shem.
>
> DNA proves once again you are lying.

DNA, MY ARSE!



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On Aug 14, 8:23 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
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> > On Aug 14, 5:45 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
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> >>news:Le8wi.404$wN3.390@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
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> >> > "DoD"  wrote in message
> >> >news:46c104b5$0$20539$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
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> >> > > "Ariadne"  wrote in message
> >> > >news:1187053635.973637.11110@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> > >> Posters in Ghana discussing Jews:
>
> >>http://www.discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=14214&postdays=0&...
>
> >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/2kf4fu
>
> >> > >> Just let your eyes glaze at the propaganda posts.
>
> >> > > Where do you find these things? Maybe a few of us ought to take a
> >> > > break
> >> > > from this sewer and educate these people.
>
> >> > Sewer is where you stay arsehole! One would have to be pretty stupid to
> >> > believe that Mongolized Europeans have nothing to do with the ancient
> >> > semites of the Land of Shem.
>
> >> DNA proves once again you are lying.
>
> > DNA, MY ARSE!
>
> Figures that since you are a Muslim, you have an adversity to modernity and
> technology.

GARBAGE YOU TALK AS USUAL, DODIE! yOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY NOT VISITED A
MUSLIM COUNTRY NOR ATTENDED UNIVERSITY THERE, I HAVE. THERE IS NO DNA
EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THE ASHKENAZI OR OTHER JEWS ARE EVEN REMOTELY
RELATED TO ANCIENT PEOPLE WHO INHABITED THE LAND OF SHAM. NONE
WHATSOEVER!



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> Kohens are not explained by antisemitic - er - "theory".
> It's all lies that you poast, Alex.  And presumably you
> don't have the excuse of being an unschooled African.

An average Ghanian is far more intellectual than any ZioNazi rat that
is for cert !
Jews in general are NOT semites, at all, nor do they have even a
remote relationship to the ancient people
who inhabited the Land of Sham




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From: "ElParedon" 
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 Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern 
Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the 
communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as 
well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important 
studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, 
Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, 
Michael Hammer's study of 2000, and others.
Key findings:

a.. The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European 
Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern 
Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and 
most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The 
Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.
a.. Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples such as 
Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q (typically 
Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European).
a.. Dutch Jews from the Netherlands also descend from northwestern 
Europeans.
a.. Sephardim also descend, in a smaller way, from various non-Israelite 
peoples.
a.. Georgian Jews (Gruzinim) are a mix of Georgians and Israelites.
a.. Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are a mix of Yemenite Arabs and Israelites.
a.. Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, and Tunisian Jews are mainly Israelites.
a.. Libyan Jews are mainly Berbers.
a.. Ethiopian Jews are almost exclusively Ethiopian, with little or no 
Israelite ancestry.
a.. Palestinian Arabs are probably partly Israelite.




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a.. 2
Studies of Cohens and Levites
Click the link above to see studies and commentaries related to Y-DNA tests 
of Cohens and Levites.
Key findings:

a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of the 
world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of India.
a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a 
component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common among 
the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).
a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but 
rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinian Arabs, 
and a few other peoples.
a.. About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite 
haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found 
among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic 
Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism.




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From: "ElParedon" 
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      Studies that test the potential Israelite ancestry of certain 
non-Jewish populations



Samaritans
Peidong Shen, Tal Lavi, Toomas Kivisild, Vivian Chou, Deniz Sengun, Dov 
Gefel, Isaac Shpirer, Eilon Woolf, Jossi Hillel, Marcus W. Feldman, and 
Peter J. Oefner. "Reconstruction of Patrilineages and Matrilineages of 
Samaritans and Other Israeli Populations from Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial 
DNA Sequence Variation." Human Mutation 24 (2004): 248-260. Excerpts:


  "Based on the close relationship of the Samaritan haplogroup J 
six-microsatellite haplotypes with the Cohen modal haplotype, we speculate 
that the Samaritan M304 Y-chromosome lineages present a subgroup of the 
original Jewish Cohanim priesthood that did not go into exile when the 
Assyrians conquered the northern kingdom of Israel in 721 BC, but married 
Assyrian and female exiles relocated from other conquered lands, which was a 
typical Assyrian policy to obliterate national identities. This is in line 
with biblical texts that emphasize a common heritage of Jews and Samaritans, 
but also record the negative attitude of Jews towards the Samaritans because 
of their association with people that were not Jewish. Such a scenario could 
explain why Samaritan Y-chromosome lineages cluster tightly with Jewish 
Y-lineages (Fig. 2A), while their mitochrondrial lineages are closest to 
Iraqi Jewish and Palestinian mtDNA sequences (Fig. 2B)."

Latinos with traditions of Spanish Jewish ancestry
David Kelly. "DNA Clears the Fog Over Latino Links to Judaism in New 
Mexico." Los Angeles Times (December 5, 2004). Excerpts:


  "He [Father William Sanchez launched a DNA project to test his relatives, 
along with some of the parishioners at Albuquerque's St. Edwin's Church, 
where he works. As word got out, others in the community began contacting 
him. So Sanchez expanded the effort to include Latinos throughout the state. 
Of the 78 people tested, 30 are positive for the marker of the Cohanim, 
whose genetic line remains strong because they rarely married non-Jews 
throughout a history spanning up to 4,000 years. Michael Hammer, a research 
professor at the University of Arizona and an expert on Jewish genetics, 
said that fewer than 1% of non-Jews possessed this marker. That fact - along 
with the traditions in many of these families - makes it likely that they 
are Jewish, he said. ... It also explained practices that had baffled many 
folks here for years: the special knives used to butcher sheep in line with 
Jewish kosher tradition, the refusal to work on Saturdays to honor the 
Sabbath, the menorahs that had been hidden away. In some families, isolated 
rituals are all that remain of a once-vibrant religious tradition diluted by 
time and fears of persecution. ... 'We believe a fairly high percentage of 
first families [arriving] in New Mexico were nominally Catholic, but their 
secret religion was Judaism,' he [Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA] 
said. "We are finding between 10% and 15% of men living in New Mexico or 
south Texas or northern Mexico have a Y chromosome that tracks back to the 
Middle East.' They are not all Cohanim, and there's a slight chance some 
could be of African Muslim descent. But Greenspan said the DNA of the men is 
typical of Jews from the eastern Mediterranean."
John Nova Lomax. "Who's Your Daddy? Track your true identity along a DNA 
trail left behind by your ancestors." Houston Press (April 14, 2005). 
Excerpts:


  "Growing up in the Rio Grande Valley, Danny Villarreal had heard the 
stories from his grandparents. His ancestors, it was whispered, had come to 
Mexico from Spain under something of a cloud. Apparently, they were not 
purebred Castilian Spaniards, but members of a persecuted minority --  
namely, Jews who had converted to Catholicism on pain of death at the hands 
of the Spanish Inquisition. ... FTDNA sent the test off to a genetics lab at 
the University of Arizona, and a few weeks later Villarreal got his results 
back. Although the company didn't find that he was related to anyone then in 
its database, it did have a few surprises for him. First, there was his 
haplogroup -- the genetic marker that goes back on his Y chromosome for tens 
of thousands of years. All humanity is divided into 18 of these, and 
Mexicans of European descent would likely be in either haplogroup R-1A or 
R-1B, the most common groups in Western Europe, or if they were primarily of 
Native American descent, Q or Q-3. Villarreal's was E-3B, which is a Semitic 
haplogroup that evolved in East Africa and then spread around the 
Mediterranean and is most common today in the Middle East and in North and 
East Africa. Then there were his closest genetic matches. All three of them 
were to Jews in places like Hungary, Belarus and Poland."
Simon Romero. "Hispanics Uncovering Roots as Inquisition's 'Hidden' Jews." 
The New York Times (October 29, 2005). Excerpts:


  "When she was growing up in a small town in southern Colorado, an area 
where her ancestors settled centuries ago when it was on the fringes of the 
northern frontier of New Spain, Bernadette Gonzalez always thought some of 
the stories about her family were unusual, if not bizarre. Her grandmother, 
for instance, refused to travel on Saturday and would use a specific 
porcelain basin to drain blood out of meat before she cooked it. In one tale 
that particularly puzzled Ms. Gonzalez, 52, her grandfather called for a 
Jewish doctor to circumcise him... Ms. Gonzalez started researching her 
family history and concluded that her ancestors were Marranos, or Sephardic 
Jews, who had fled the Inquisition in Spain and in Mexico more than four 
centuries ago. Though raised in the Roman Catholic faith, Ms. Gonzalez felt 
a need to reconnect to her Jewish roots, so she converted to Judaism three 
years ago. ... These conversions are the latest chapter in the story of the 
crypto-Jews, or hidden Jews, of the southwestern United States and northern 
Mexico, who are thought to be descended from the Sephardic Jews who began 
fleeing Spain more than 500 years ago. The story is being bolstered by 
recent historical research and advances in DNA testing that are said to 
reveal a prominent role played by crypto-Jews and their descendants in 
Spain's colonization of the Southwest. ... Family Tree DNA, a Houston 
company that offers a Cohanim test to its male clients, gets about one 
inquiry a day from Hispanics interested in exploring the possibility of 
Jewish ancestry, said Bennett Greenspan, its founder and chief executive. 
Mr. Greenspan said about one in 10 of the Hispanic men tested by his company 
showed Semitic ancestry strongly suggesting a Jewish background. (Another 
divergent possibility is that the test might suggest North African Muslim 
ancestry.)"

Mizos
Genetic testing conducted before April 2005 was unable to establish any 
paternal genetic link between the Kuki-Chin-Mizo people (who live in Myanmar 
and northeastern India) and Jewish communities of the world or even other 
Middle Eastern people, and a maternal genetic link was inconclusive. Some 
people had suggested, based on vague correlations, that the Mizos have 
Jewish-like practices, and pretended that the Mizo are really the 
descendants of the Israelite tribe of Menashe (B'nei Menashe).

Yair Sheleg. "In search of Jewish chromosomes in India What has genetic 
research uncovered about the origin of the Kuki tribe, which claims to have 
authentic Jewish roots and traditions?" Ha'aretz English Edition (Israel) 
(April 1, 2005). Excerpts:

  "About five months ago the results of a study performed by a forensic 
laboratory in India (a kind of local equivalent of Israel's National 
Forensic Institute at Abu Kabir) were published concerning the genetic 
origins of the members of the Kuki-Chin-Mizo tribe. ... The study compared 
DNA samples taken from several hundred members of the tribe and from members 
of various other recognized Jewish communities, as well as from other tribes 
living near the Kuki (which served as a control group). ... On the one hand, 
no connection was found on the male side of the genetic chain (the Y 
chromosome) between the genetic profile of the Kuki and the Jewish profile, 
or the profile of Middle Eastern peoples in general. However, on the female 
side of the profile (what scientists call mitochondrial DNA) there is a 
certain resemblance to the genetic profile of Middle Eastern peoples and to 
that of the Jews of Uzbekistan (who also have a tradition of belonging to 
the 10 tribes) - a closeness that distinguishes the Kuki from the members of 
other tribes that live nearby. ... Bhaswar Miaty, one of the researchers, 
has told Haaretz that the initiative for the study came from the Indian 
government as part of a comprehensive study on the various groups in his 
country. ...in recent months a genetic study of the Bnei Menashe... has also 
been under way at the Technion - Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa. 
Prof. Karl Skorecki, the director of the Rappaport Family Institute for 
Research in Medical Sciences there, has told Haaretz that the research is 
being conducted by a method similar to that done in India: collecting 
samples of DNA from members of the Kuki tribe and comparing them, on the one 
hand, to the Jewish genetic profile and, on the other, to the genetic 
profile of tribes that live near the Kuki. According to Skorecki, his team 
has not yet reached the stage at which it is possible to draw any 
conclusions. 'We did receive the samples several months ago and we have 
started to examine the mitochondrial DNA, but we have not yet analyzed the 
data and we haven't examined the Y chromosome DNA at all yet,' he says. He 
also notes that it is hard to rely on the conclusions of the Indian study, 
at least as it has been published thus far: : 'From conversations that I 
have had with them it turns out that they did not do a complete `genetic 
sequencing' of all the DNA and therefore it is hard to rely on the 
conclusions derived from a `partial sequencing,' and they themselves admit 
this. It is possible in a `partial sequencing' to arrive at certain 
conclusions that would be overturned had they run a `full sequencing.' '"
Yair Sheleg. "Menashe in Myanmar." Ha'aretz English Edition (Israel) 
(September 19, 2002). Excerpt:

  "To add another element to the 'Jewish' connection of the Kuki, [Hillel] 
Halkin is helping with plans to carry out genetic testing. This is slated to 
be performed in the near future by a group headed by Prof. Karl Skorecki of 
the Technion, who for several years now has specialized in research into 
Jewish genetics. The team will compare genetic findings from the Kuki with 
those of the Jews and thus attempt to examine common genetic roots. However, 
Halkin stresses in advance that 'even if a genetic match is not found, this 
would not refute my belief in this connection. The textual findings are 
simply too strong.'"

Lembas
Mark G. Thomas, Tudor Parfitt, D. A. Weiss, Karl L. Skorecki, J. F. Wilson, 
M. le Roux, Neil Bradman, David B. Goldstein. "Y Chromosomes Traveling 
South: the Cohen Modal Haplotype and the Origins of the Lemba--the 'Black 
Jews of Southern Africa'." American Journal of Human Genetics 66:2 (February 
2000): 674-686. (Mirror) The "Kohen modal haplotype" is found among a 
significant number of members of the Lemba tribe of Africa, which claims 
descent from Jews but is also descended from Black Africans (Bantus). The 
priestly Buba clan has the Kohen haplotype in a higher percentage than 
Ashkenazi priests do. Furthermore, the non-Buba Lemba have the highest 
percentage of the Kohen haplotype outside of the priestly caste, among 
populations tested to date - higher than Ashkenazim and Sephardim added 
together! (Familytreedna.com estimates that only about 3 percent of Jews who 
do not know whether they are Levites or Cohens have the Cohen gene). 9 
percent of the Lembas have the Cohen gene. Excerpts from the abstract:

  "A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a 
Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not 
inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition... To provide a more detailed picture 
of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for 
six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, 
Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). 
The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes 
are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the 
Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome 
type termed the 'Cohen modal haplotype,' which is known to be characteristic 
of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more 
generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin."
James R. Ross. Fragile Branches: Travels Through the Jewish Diaspora. New 
York: Riverhead Books, 2000. Excerpts from Ross's book:

  "The Lemba in southern Africa, who practice circumcision and do not eat 
pork, also claim their origins in Ancient Israel thousands of years ago. 
Anthropologists have concluded that the Lemba appropriated these practices 
when white missionaries taught them about the Hebrew Bible. Geneticists have 
found, however, that many Lemba men carry DNA sequences that are nearly 
unique to cohanim, Jewish priests believed to descend from Moses' brother, 
Aaron. The sequence is almost as common among the priestly clan of the Lemba 
as it is among Ashkenazi Jews who are believed to be cohanim." (excerpt from 
page 22)
Johnjoe McFadden. "Written in the genes." The Guardian (March 31, 2003). 
Excerpt:

  "The Lemba are a tribe of Bantu-speaking black Africans who believe they 
are descended from Jews. ... Thompson's laboratory discovered that in their 
Y-chromosomes was a genetic marker found only among Jews. The Lemba 
tradition that a high priest named Buba led them out of Judaea may indeed be 
based on a real event. ... The Jewish gene in the Lemba tribe is found in 
only about 10% of the men, yet the whole tribe practices Jewish traditions."
Dorothy C. Wertz. "Jewish ancestry for an African tribe: From Yemen to 
Zimbabwe." GeneLetter (November 1, 2000).

Jon Entine. "Is good performance in sports determined by colour?." The 
Sunday Standard (Nairobi, Kenya, October 1, 2000). Excerpt:

  "...the Lemba tribe of southern Africa was recently shown to be 
genetically linked through the Y-chromosome to the Jewish population of 
Mesopotamia some 2,000 years ago. In key genetic ways, they are quite 
distant from many other Africans."
Jon Entine. Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid 
to Talk About It. New York: Public Affairs, 2000. Excerpt from page 109:

  "The Lemba have clan names like Sadiqui and Hamisi that are clearly 
Semitic and have an enigmatic identity that traces their origins to an 
ancient Jewish community in what is now Yemen. Although scholars had long 
dismissed their claims as having been adopted from tales spun by 
missionaries, research now confirms that the black-skinned Lemba are genetic 
cousins of white Sephardic Jews. A team of geneticists has determined that 
many Lemba carry in their male chromosome a set of DNA sequences that is 
distinctive of the Jewish priests believe to be the descendants of Aaron, 
one of the twelve original Jewish tribes."
Mark Schoofs. "Fossils in the Blood: Scientists Find Ancient DNA in Living 
Africans." The Village Voice (April 4-10, 2000). Excerpts:

  "For instance, Jenkins and Soodyall have studied the Lemba, a group of 
so-called Black Jews who claim to be a lost tribe of Israel, and found that 
many of them have genetic markers similar to those of Semitic people."
Laurie Zoloth. "Yearning for the Long Lost Home: The Lemba and the Jewish 
Narrative of Genetic Return." Developing World Bioethics 3:2 (December 
2003): 127-132. Abstract:

  "This commentary examines the relationship between genetics and Jewish 
identity. It focuses especially on the use of Y-chromosome testing to map 
the genealogies of the Lemba in southern Africa."
Josephine Johnston. "Case Study: The Lemba." Developing World Bioethics 3:2 
(December 2003): 109-111. Abstract:

  "The attempts of scholars and scientists to unravel the mystery of the 
ancestral origins of the Lemba are summarised, focusing on Tudor Parfitt's 
book, Journey to the Vanished City, and a study by an international group of 
genetic and social scientists. The impact of this research on identity 
questions is raised."
Janine Lazarus, with Wendy Elliman and Julie Gruenbaum Fax. "At Israel's 
Doorstep in Africa." Hadassah Magazine 82:5 (January 2001). Excerpts:

  "Tests have shown that the Lemba possess the 'Kohen gene,' extremely rare 
among non-Jews, in a proportion similar to that of Jews... [T]here are no 




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"snakehawk"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 14, 4:29 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> Following Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza,
>
> Hamas won the election.  Remember?  Hamas did not violently takeover
> Gaza; Hamas legally removed a gang of traitors who had taken over the
> government illegally.
>
>> Western leaders have exerted
>> pressure on Israel to bolster what they believe are Palestinian 
>> moderates-
>> the Fatah movement and its leaders-as a bulwark against the Hamas
>> extremists. They are aided by Western media reports fostering an image of
>> Palestinian moderation while frequently glossing over evidence to the
>> contrary.
>
> In other words, Israel is supporting the rebels, fostering rebellion,
> interfering with a legitimate government of a neighboring state in
> violation of international law.  And sure, Israel is being aided by
> Western media that keeps glossing over the fact the Hamas, and not the
> Israeli-controlled Fatah, is the legitimate ruling faction in Arab
> Palestine.
>
>
>>
>> Israel has released more than 250 Fatah prisoners, as well as $360 
>> million
>> in tax and custom revenues that had been frozen since the Hamas 
>> government
>> was elected in January 2006. In addition, Israel has authorized the 
>> shipment
>> of 1,000 rifles to Fatah loyalists in the West Bank.
>
> Let's put that in proper context.  Israel released 250 Palestinians
> who had been held illegally in Israeli prisons for years.  These
> prisoners were carefully selected for their support of Fatah, the
> party that lost the election.  Then Israel gave the rebels $360
> million that Israel had stolen from the Palestinian government.  Then
> Israel shipped arms and ammunition to the rebels so they could engage
> in a war against the legitimate Palestinian government.  And we can
> bet some Mossad provocateurs are active in Palestine to stir up the
> violence and hopefully foment total civil war in Palestine.  And, of
> course, Israel is continuing its vicious attacks against the
> Palestinian civilians at every opportunity while the IsraeIi
> government continues to steal Palestinian farms and homes to build Jew-
> only "settlements" on Palestinian land.  Remember America: these
> vicious Israeli vipers are the beneficiaries of billions of American
> tax dollars annually.
>
>>
>> Whether such concessions will engender moderation is far from likely.
>> Certainly, recent experience would suggest otherwise. Palestinian 
>> governing
>> charters are still predicated upon the central goal of eradicating the
>> Jewish state through armed struggle.
>
> If ever a "state" needed eradicating, it's that little racist rathole
> called Israel.
>
>
> Yet the media ignores this, choosing
>> instead to play up the periodic claims by Palestinian leaders they have
>> changed their stance toward Israel-claims that have either proven to be
>> duplicitous, like those of Yasir Arafat, or unsupported by the leaders'
>> constituents, like those of current Palestinian Prime Minister Salam 
>> Fayyad
>> and President Mahmoud Abbas.
>>
>> Hamas openly and consistently states its goal is to destroy the Jewish 
>> state
>> and replace it with an Islamic one. Its charter calls for Jihad against 
>> "the
>> Jewish occupation of Palestine" and dismisses any political solution.
>
> The solution to an illegal occupation is for the occupiers to move
> out.  The only legitimate Israel is the country within the borders
> created by the U.N. in Resolution 181 in 1948.  The Israelis have no
> right to even an inch of Arab Palestine.  A solution that would allow
> thieves to keep part of their loot would not be a political solution;
> it would be compounding a felony.
>
>
>> "Israel will exist, and will continue to exist, until Islam abolishes it, 
>> as
>> it abolished that which was before it," reads an introductory quote on 
>> the
>> document.
>>
>> But the constitution of the Fatah movement-now being backed as the hope 
>> for
>> peace by the media-is no less belligerent than that of Hamas. It also 
>> calls
>> for the "complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist
>> economic, political, military and cultural existence" through violence, 
>> and
>> similarly dismisses political solutions. And while the media has reported 
>> on
>> Hamas' openly stated goals, it continues to ignore those of Fatah.
>
> The United States should adopt that policy--think of the savings!
>
>>
>> Until the Abbas government announced on July 27 that it was dropping the
>> phrase "armed resistance" from its government's platform, the media had 
>> not
>> reported such a clause existed. In any case, it is a moot point as Fatah
>> members-such as those belonging to the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade-continue 
>> to
>> adhere to the movement's charter, rejecting efforts by Prime Minister 
>> Salam
>> Fayyad and President Mahmoud Abbas to moderate their stance toward 
>> Israel.
>>
>> As long as Fatah's charter is not rescinded and remains posted on the 
>> Fatah
>> website calling for Israel's destruction, it is clear it still serves as 
>> the
>> movement's governing document-no matter what the media chooses to ignore.
>>
>> How Moderate is Fatah?
>> FATAH'S CONSTITUTION
>>
>> According to the Web site description, the "pedestal of the [Fatah]
>> Movement"-like that of Hamas-is the principle of armed struggle.
>>
>> And like Hamas's much criticized charter, Fatah's governing document 
>> opposes
>> any political solution and calls for the eradication of the Jewish State
>> through armed revolution. For example:
>>
>> Article 7 defines Israel-"the Zionist entity"-as "racial, colonial and
>> aggressive in ideology, goals, organisation and method."
>
> Hmmm.  I have studied this definition carefully. . . ya know, it's
> right on!

You have hit the nail, right on the head, brother! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
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>
> "DoD"  wrote in message
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>> When will the West awaken? Of course, I am not talking about your 
>> ordinary
>> citizen or soldier but about our Talking Heads and other gate-keeping
>> chatterers who simply refuse to "get it."
>>
>> Cambridge University Press not only recalls but has promised to pulp the
>> book that authoritatively documents one Saudi billionaire's funding of
>> terror; many anti-jihadic writers and all our leading mainstream media
> have
>> privately apologized to this same billionaire. Only Rachel Ehrenfeld has
>> refused to "apologize" for telling the truth and has counter-sued him in
> an
>> American court of law based on her First Amendment right to tell the
> truth.
>> (She was initially sued in London where she lost by default; she chose 
>> not
>> to appear in court).
>>
>> At a recent conference in Los Angeles, sponsored by the American Freedom
>> Alliance, Daniel Pipes announced his intention to start a legal defense
> bail
>> fund for those who are sued by Islamists and their Western apologists for
>> telling the truth. Not a moment too soon--although, regrettably, perhaps
> too
>> late for Ehrenfeld. And, The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
>> has begun a process of legal intimidation against my esteemed colleague,
>> Robert Spencer. Accordingly, David Horowitz has launched a legal defense
>> fund for Spencer. I have pledged money to this and advise us all to do 
>> the
>> same.
>>
>> Before this war is over, we will each need legal defense funds. And 
>> that's
>> if we're lucky. Those in the Islamic East need bodyguards and air-lifts 
>> to
>> safety in the West. But there is a pattern emerging in the West which we
>> ignore at our own peril.
>>
>> For example, a leading American publisher of law enforcement and
>> counter-terrorism titles cancelled Dr. Nancy Kobrin's book about Islamic
>> suicide terrorism. I wrote the Introduction for it and together Dr. 
>> Kobrin
>> and I "went public." A number of other publishers emerged--but they
> quickly
>> disappeared too.
>>
>> I have been trying to find a publisher for a book titled The
> Islamification
>> of America and guess what? No takers so far. I am ready to self-publish
> the
>> work.
>>
>> This is a very special kind of Gulag. The internet provides us with the
> most
>> sophisticated and universal of platforms for such 21st-century
> "samizdats."
>>
>> We who write in the America are so far lucky. We are legally intimidated.
> We
>> are silenced on campuses due to the "politically correct" ideologies that
>> rule there. True, the American Jewish Committee recently paid for a full
>> page New York Times ad signed by American college presidents who oppose
> the
>> eternally-intended British boycott of Israeli academics and who bravely
>> suggest that they be boycotted too. Well and good.
>>
>> But guess who did not sign? Harvard, Yale, Vassar, California State
>> University at Berkeley, Los Angeles, UCLA, San Francisco State, and of
>> course, Norman Finkelstein's old perch, De Paul in Chicago. (Maybe I'm
>> wrong, maybe they did sign in a Harry Potter kind of way in invisible
> ink).
>>
>> But this is nothing compared to what Muslim intellectuals (and women and
>> human beings) must endure in the Islamic world today. If they are lucky,
>> they live in exile or in hiding and write under pseudonyms. A handful
> write
>> openly and travel with bodyguards.
>>
>> I am just told that Taslima Nasrin was, yet again, attacked by one 
>> hundred
>> angry Muslim fanatics as she held a press conference in Hyderabad, India,
> to
>> launch her new book. Nasrin, a physician and a feminist author who was
> born
>> in Bangladesh, was once nearly lynched by a mighty mob there. She fled 
>> her
>> country and lived in exile in Sweden and in hiding. Now, she lives in
> India
>> where dozens of Muslim protesters, led by three lawmakers physically
>> attacked her and her co-panelists. They demanded that India extradite her
> to
>> Bangladesh (I guess for the kind of justice Bangladesh has meted out to
> that
>> other hero, parliamentarian Chadhury, who was imprisoned and tortured
>> because he wanted to visit Israel).
>>
>> Her works have been banned in Bangladesh. She is being accused of being
>> "anti-Islam."
>>
>> Islamists are moving against us in the West very carefully and in legal
>> ways. In the overly revered "Third World" they speak in violence, their
>> speech IS violence.
>>
>> I hope that Taslima Nasrin remains safe and in India. And that the
> sleeping
>> giant awakens before we have all been sued and censored into silence.
>>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=87665E6C-B974-49D8-94FF-5EF7DE8119F9
>>
>>
>> United States is the main fanacier of terror. No other terrorist has
>> come even close to killing a million people like George Bush has.

To date George W. Bush and his Jewish cohorts have slaughtered a million 
Iraqis, another nearly four thousand Americans, and crippled about 50,000 
Americans who will be on the dole for the rest of their lives.

If that is not a war criminal behavior I do not what a criminal is!

USA is also financing terror in many Latin American countries including 
Cuba, Columbia, Venezuela. To say nothing about the terror being finaced by 
CIA in Asia and Middle East 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> a.. 2
>> Studies of Cohens and Levites
>> Click the link above to see studies and commentaries related to Y-DNA 
>> tests of Cohens and Levites.
>> Key findings:
>>
>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of 
>> the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of India.
>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a 
>> component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common 
>> among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).
>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but 
>> rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinian Arabs, 
>> and a few other peoples.
>> a.. About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European 
>> non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost 
>> never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into 
>> the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism.
>
> Thanks for proving my point. Also you really should provide links.

Idiot! This disapproves all you drivel!
>
> 




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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>> a.. 2
>>>> Studies of Cohens and Levites
>>>> Click the link above to see studies and commentaries related to Y-DNA 
>>>> tests of Cohens and Levites.
>>>> Key findings:
>>>>
>>>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of 
>>>> the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of 
>>>> India.
>>>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a 
>>>> component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common 
>>>> among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).
>>>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but 
>>>> rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinian 
>>>> Arabs, and a few other peoples.
>>>> a.. About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European 
>>>> non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is 
>>>> almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been 
>>>> introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who 
>>>> converted to Judaism.
>>>
>>> Thanks for proving my point. Also you really should provide links.
>>
>> Idiot! This disapproves all you drivel!
>
> I doubt if the whole website is totally accurate and I did find the 
> link...
> http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
>
> You are such a dummy... From your first post....
>
> "The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European
> Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
> Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), 
> and
> most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite."

Hey stupid, that is not a site. This comes from a commercial DNA site, which 
analysis DNA of anyone for a price! You can find out if you are a real 
Ustasha or not.
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
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>> On Aug 14, 9:12 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1187139827.623367.318560@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > On Aug 14, 5:41 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> >> Muslim Brotherhood Leader in Sudan Sheik Sadeq Abdallah bin Al-Majed
>>> >> Prohibits Vaccination of Children and Declares: Darfur Crisis Is a
>>> >> Conspiracy by Jews and Freemasons.
>>>
>>> > He is most probably right! Nobody has made more money from the Darfur
>>> > slaughter
>>> > than Jews, like Semyon Mogilevich, Mark Rich, Nevzlin brothers and the
>>> > rest of the Jewish Mafia.
>>> > Where do you think the weapons and ammunition come from? You can trace
>>> > the deliveries
>>> > very easily to the Victor Bout's flights to Sudan. If you wanted to
>>> > stop the slaughter in Darfur,
>>> > all you have to do is stop Jews selling the weapons to both sides.
>>>
>>> Vaccines are a Jewish and freemason conspiracy?
>>
>> Could be! Africans have had many plagues delivered to them by many
>> races of people, no wonder they beware.
>
> African Muslims are the only ones affected by this warped line of 
> thinking. This doesn't happen in Ethiopia.

Next thing you will tell me that Ethiopians are not muslims 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "snakehawk"  wrote in message 
> news:1187140554.760660.52860@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 14, 4:29 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> Following Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza,
>>
>> Hamas won the election.  Remember?  Hamas did not violently takeover
>> Gaza; Hamas legally removed a gang of traitors who had taken over the
>> government illegally.
>
> I guess your definition of legally removing a gang of traitors entails 
> some of the worst violence known to man. But then again your kind always 
> have chosen a violent path. Must be in your blood.
>
>>> Western leaders have exerted
>>> pressure on Israel to bolster what they believe are Palestinian 
>>> moderates-
>>> the Fatah movement and its leaders-as a bulwark against the Hamas
>>> extremists. They are aided by Western media reports fostering an image 
>>> of
>>> Palestinian moderation while frequently glossing over evidence to the
>>> contrary.
>>
>> In other words, Israel is supporting the rebels, fostering rebellion,
>> interfering with a legitimate government of a neighboring state in
>> violation of international law.
>
> There is no neighboring state. There is no violation of international law. 
> All we have are lies from racist people like yourself.
>
> And sure, Israel is being aided by
>> Western media that keeps glossing over the fact the Hamas, and not the
>> Israeli-controlled Fatah, is the legitimate ruling faction in Arab
>> Palestine.
>
> Israel is not in control of Fatah.
>
>  neo-nazi supporters>
>
>> If ever a "state" needed eradicating, it's that little racist rathole
>> called Israel.
>
> Israel allows 1.5 million Arab muslims on their soil.
IT IS THE LAND OF PALESTINE YOU ARE BLABBERING ABOUT CREEPO!

 Arabs don't allow Jews
> on theirs.
IT IS ARABS WHO HAVE SAVED THE JEWISH RACE FROM EXTINCTION, AND ISABELLAS 
TORTURE CHAMBERS, CREEPO!

Your definition of racist is from bizarro world.
>
> Then again everything I have read from you has been dishonest. Well, when 
> one looks through a garbage dump, one should expect to find garbage.

GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT, THAT IS THE CONCISE DESCRIPTION OF YOUR REASONING 




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 August 13, 2007

The campaign to isolate Israel through boycott, divestment and sanctions 
(BDS) has taken meaningful steps forward in the past few months, with major 
trade unions in Britain, Ireland, South Africa and Canada declaring their 
support for an international boycott.

The BDS campaign has been gathering momentum since the 2004 "Call for 
Boycott" was issued by the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and 
Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), a coalition of more than 50 Palestinian 
civil society organisations. A May 27 PACBI statement explained that the 
boycott campaign "is based on the same moral principle embodied in the 
international civil society campaign against the apartheid regime in South 
Africa: that people of conscience must take a stand against oppression and 
use all the means of civil resistance available to bring an end to 
oppression".

At its inaugural conference in May, the University and Colleges Union (UCU), 
which represents 120,000 academic and teaching staff, passed a resolution 
with a clear majority calling for a discussion within union branches about 
an academic boycott based on the PACBI call. The motion also encouraged UCU 
members to "consider the moral implications" of links with Israeli academic 
institutions.

In June, Unison, Britain's largest trade union representing 1.3 million 
public sector workers, passed a comprehensive resolution at its national 
conference in support of an "economic, cultural, academic and sporting 
boycott", and the right of return for the Palestinian refugees from the 1948 
establishment of the State of Israel. In early July, the Transport and 
General Workers' Union conference, representing 80,000 members, voted to 
organise its members in an economic and cultural boycott of Israeli products 
and sports contacts.

On July 6, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, representing trade unions and 
labour councils in the north and south of Ireland, passed motions condemning 
the European Union's policy of appeasement in the face of Israeli "crimes 
against humanity" and calling on the European Union to impose sanctions on 
Israel. The ICTU motions also pledged to "actively and vigorously" promote a 
campaign of divestment from Israeli companies and a boycott of Israeli goods 
and services.

A July 6 media release from the ICTU's Trade Union Friends of Palestine 
stated, "It should be noted that there was no opposition at all to any of 
the motions, despite the fact that they represent what must be one of the 
strongest positions adopted by any trade union congress in the world".

Also in early July, the Dutch government warned a Rotterdam-based company to 
stop working on the construction of the 700 kilometre-long "separation 
barrier" in the West Bank (referred to by Palestinians as the "apartheid 
wall"), as its construction was ruled illegal by the International Court of 
Justice in 2004.

The British National Union of Journalists (NUJ) passed a motion in favour of 
a boycott campaign at its annual conference in April, however the decision 
has since been overturned by the union's national executive council.

Academic Freedom

The trade union motions have provoked a predictable backlash from Israel's 
government and some public institutions, and from Zionist politicians and 
academics in Britain and the US.

Some of the strongest reactions have come from Zionists in the US, and much 
of the public debate has centred on the proposed academic boycott and its 
impact on "academic freedom". The US Congress unanimously passed a 
resolution characterising the UCU's motion as "anti-Semitic".

Despite former British PM Tony Blair's flustered attempts to assure the 
Israeli government that the UCU's resolution was "not representative of 
public opinion" in Britain, the Israeli labour federation the Histadrut is 
cutting ties with several unions involved in the boycott, and some Israeli 
politicians are calling for counter-boycotts of the countries involved.

The pressure was too much for the leadership of the NUJ, which hastily 
overturned the membership's decision. Following an anti-boycott campaign 
driven by pro-Israel journalists from the BBC and the London Guardian 
newspaper, the NUJ national executive council voted not to take any further 
action on the boycott as the British Trades Union Council had rejected the 
call. A 2005 boycott motion by the UCU's precursor had been similarly 
overturned at an emergency meeting of the leadership.

Leading US Zionist academic Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard law professor, has 
also called the union resolutions "anti-Semitic". According to the July 14 
Guardian, Dershowitz has gathered a team of lawyers to "devastate and 
bankrupt" those seeking to boycott Israel, in the name of protecting 
academic freedom. In June, Dershowitz led a successful campaign to have 
sociologist Norman Finkelstein denied tenure at De Paul University on the 
basis of Finkelstein's criticisms of Israel.

Those protesting the loudest about infringing upon academic freedom and open 
discussion, such as Dershowitz, have been leading the campaign to silence 
academic and political dissent against Israel's policies. In a July 25 
article for Electronic Intifada, Margaret Aziza Pappano points out the 
hypocrisy of those calling for academic freedom for Israeli academics while 
failing to call for corresponding freedoms for Palestinians: "Surely if 
university presidents are up in arms over a proposed boycott of Israeli 
academics, they must have something to say about the shutting down of 
universities, jailing and shooting of students and faculty, daily impeding 
of students and faculty from getting to classes, denial of student permits 
to attend universities, and revoking of visas to visiting scholars and 
researchers that characterizes academic life in Palestine. If a boycott of 
academic institutions is considered unfair, what does one call the 
methodical destruction of an educational system?"

UCU executive member Tom Hickey, who led the proposal for an academic 
boycott, points out that Israeli universities are not neutral institutions 
but rather are actively complicit in perpetuating the occupation. "No 
Israeli college or university has publicly condemned what is being done in 
the occupied territories in the name of every Israeli citizen. Some Israeli 
educational institutions have established campuses for settlers on illegally 
confiscated land; others conduct archaeological digs on land from which 
Palestinian farmers have been expelled."

Boycott Tactic

Behind the cries of anti-Semitism and the debate about academic freedom, a 
serious debate over the effectiveness of the boycott tactic - and the 
legitimacy of its goals - has opened up within Israel's peace movement, in 
the public debate between Gush Shalom leader Uri Avnery and Dr Ilan Pappe. 
This discussion about the boycott tactic relates directly to the different 
proposed solutions to the question of Palestinian self-determination.

Avnery argues that the only solution is for a Palestinian state to be 
established alongside Israel, and that a general boycott aimed at the 
collapse of the Israeli state would fail and would drive the Israeli 
population into the arms of the far right.

However, each day that the occupation is prolonged, the settlements and 
checkpoint networks expand, and the apartheid wall annexes more Palestinian 
land, an independent Palestinian state becomes less viable. Pappe argues 
that a single democratic state, to which the Palestinian refugees are 
granted the right to return, is the only feasible and just solution, and 
that the BDS campaign is a crucial part of achieving this.

In response to Avnery's claims that the Israeli population would not be 
moved to reconsider the basic premise of Zionism by a worldwide boycott, 
Pappe argues a boycott "will not change this position in a day, but will 
send a clear message to this public that these positions are racist and 
unacceptable in the 21st century ... They would have to choose."

(Green Left Weekly - http://www.greenleft.org.au - August 11, 2007) 




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>>>>>> a.. 2
>>>>>> Studies of Cohens and Levites
>>>>>> Click the link above to see studies and commentaries related to Y-DNA 
>>>>>> tests of Cohens and Levites.
>>>>>> Key findings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations 
>>>>>> of the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of 
>>>>>> India.
>>>>>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a 
>>>>>> component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common 
>>>>>> among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).
>>>>>> a.. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, 
>>>>>> but rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, 
>>>>>> Palestinian Arabs, and a few other peoples.
>>>>>> a.. About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European 
>>>>>> non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is 
>>>>>> almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been 
>>>>>> introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who 
>>>>>> converted to Judaism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for proving my point. Also you really should provide links.
>>>>
>>>> Idiot! This disapproves all you drivel!
>>>
>>> I doubt if the whole website is totally accurate and I did find the 
>>> link...
>>> http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
>>>
>>> You are such a dummy... From your first post....
>>>
>>> "The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European
>>> Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle 
>>> Eastern
>>> Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), 
>>> and
>>> most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite."
>>
>> Hey stupid, that is not a site. This comes from a commercial DNA site, 
>> which analysis DNA of anyone for a price! You can find out if you are a 
>> real Ustasha or not.
>
> Hey dummy... you are skirting the issue. You posted this...   So you admit 
> Ashkeniazi Jews are semites.
>
> "The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European
> Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
> Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), 
> and
> most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite."
>
You are not just stupid you are illiterate! 




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"Rhotel1"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 13, 2:36 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> Bush And DU: A 4.5 Billion Year Legacy
>> Jeff Berg, Countercurrents.org
>
> The writer made the following statement.  If that is the level of
> knowledge that the writer has of the subject and of the characters in
> the anti-DU crusade, then the writer really needs to dig more and find
> out the truth.
>
>>      >       If you'd like to know more about this crime against the 
>> planet and
>> humanity simply Google:LeurenMoretDU
>>
>>       Dr.Moretis an atomic physicist who used to work for the American
>> military industrial complex and now has lectured in more than 40 
>> countries
>> worldwide about the horrors and hazards of DU munitions.
>
> Leuren Moret has a Bachelor's Degree in Geology and a Masters Degree
> in Mid-East Studies.  Moret began a doctoral program in Geology and
> did some graduate research in Geology at the Lawrence Berkeley
> National Laboratory.  She then dropped out of the doctoral program.
> She is Not a doctor of anything; she is not an Atomic Physicist or
> even a Physicist of any kind.  She is someone with a small amount of
> scientific education, none of which was in nuclear physics or uranium
> geology or radiation measurement, who has taken that education and
> completely perverted it by deliberately misinforming the world.  Moret
> has never worked as a "scientist" so her claim to be an "independent
> scientist" is more like admitting that she can't get a job in science
> so she has taken up peddling bad science fiction instead.  She may
> have lectured in 40 countries; P T Barnum said that there is a "sucker
> born every minute" so I would not put it past Moret to have done so;
> she really has a lot of fun travelling on other people's dimes and
> making them think that she is the "international expert in DU".  I
> suspect though that just like the rest of her overblown resume and the
> even more overblown description by others like this writer, that Moret
> has probably been in less than 20 countries and has made no
> substantial contribution to scientific knowledge in any of them.  If
> it were not for the worldwide disgust at the Bush Admin's invasion of
> Iraq and Moret and Rokke (Douglas Lind Rokke, another peddler of
> science fiction - Doctor Rokke, by the way is neither a career Army
> officer or Doctor of Physics or Medicine, just Education, and his
> thesis is on concepts of teaching physics to vocational high school
> students, a long way from depleted uranium, even though he did the
> research using the Delphi method with a number of other teachers after
> he came back from Kuwait after Desert Storm and by his own claims was
> now disabled due to exposure to depleted uranium) have falsely accused
> Israel of using non-existent DU tipped bunker busting bombs in Lebanon
> and Rokke even went so far as to claim that the dust cloud would
> poison Cypress and Israel.  Of course there was no DU and no dust
> cloud and the UN went to Lebanon, took samples and verified that
> conclusion of non-existence.
>
> If you want to learn more about Rokke, Moret or the anti-DU crusade,
> and also learn about what exactly depleted uranium is and more
> importantly what it is not, join the Yahoo Group DUStory and go to the
> files and links sections.
>
> Roger Helbig
> rwhelbig at geemail dot com
>
>>
>>      www.pledgeTOgreen.ca
>
Great! I hope you sprinkle DU on your cereal each morning! 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 13, 5:18 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1187017423.207800.263150@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> On Aug 13, 
>> 6:02 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> >> On Aug 12, 10:49 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>>
>> >> > Wrong Alex, Muslim fundamentialist have killed more then five 
>> >> > million
>> >> > people in the past 50 years.
>>
>> >> ONLY FIVE MILLION? WELL THAT IS ONLY THE NUMBER THEY KILLED IN
>> >> VIETNAM,
>> >   Yes, Ho chi Minh was responsible for millions of Vietnamese deaths
>> > when he launched a war of aggression.
>>
>> > Michael
>>
>> Agression? Who was Ho agressing against? Invaders of his own country!
>   South Vietnam was not his country.

Yes it was, and yes it is! Just because US divided Vietnam into two does not 
mean that Vietnam was not one.

I spent a tour of duty in Ubon and know that both North and South speak the 
same language and are the same people! 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 13, 8:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:46bf2ab7$0$16270$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>
>> > Arabs kill Americans, and Jews are blamed. Sound familiar?
>>
>> In this case it is Jews and Americans kill Americans. If you invade
>> somebody's country expect to be killed!<
>
> Saddam should have thought of that when he invaded Kuwait

He went into Kuwait with US consent, moron! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:gduwi.7291$aa7.2@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>> news:46c268e5$0$28803$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "snakehawk"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1187140554.760660.52860@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Aug 14, 4:29 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>> Following Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza,
>>>>
>>>> Hamas won the election.  Remember?  Hamas did not violently takeover
>>>> Gaza; Hamas legally removed a gang of traitors who had taken over the
>>>> government illegally.
>>>
>>> I guess your definition of legally removing a gang of traitors entails 
>>> some of the worst violence known to man. But then again your kind always 
>>> have chosen a violent path. Must be in your blood.
>>>
>>>>> Western leaders have exerted
>>>>> pressure on Israel to bolster what they believe are Palestinian 
>>>>> moderates-
>>>>> the Fatah movement and its leaders-as a bulwark against the Hamas
>>>>> extremists. They are aided by Western media reports fostering an image 
>>>>> of
>>>>> Palestinian moderation while frequently glossing over evidence to the
>>>>> contrary.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, Israel is supporting the rebels, fostering rebellion,
>>>> interfering with a legitimate government of a neighboring state in
>>>> violation of international law.
>>>
>>> There is no neighboring state. There is no violation of international 
>>> law. All we have are lies from racist people like yourself.
>>>
>>> And sure, Israel is being aided by
>>>> Western media that keeps glossing over the fact the Hamas, and not the
>>>> Israeli-controlled Fatah, is the legitimate ruling faction in Arab
>>>> Palestine.
>>>
>>> Israel is not in control of Fatah.
>>>
>>> >> neo-nazi supporters>
>>>
>>>> If ever a "state" needed eradicating, it's that little racist rathole
>>>> called Israel.
>>>
>>> Israel allows 1.5 million Arab muslims on their soil.
>> IT IS THE LAND OF PALESTINE YOU ARE BLABBERING ABOUT CREEPO!
>
> It is the state of Israel dummy. The Jewish state.
>
>> Arabs don't allow Jews
>>> on theirs.
>> IT IS ARABS WHO HAVE SAVED THE JEWISH RACE FROM EXTINCTION, AND ISABELLAS 
>> TORTURE CHAMBERS, CREEPO!
>
> Only half truth. But the fact is they were under dhimmi status.

Did they have to wear a dunce cap like they wore in Venice?
Why did most Jews choose to settle in Arab countries, if this was the case?




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> You are not just stupid you are illiterate!
>
> You are.
>
> Double Helix, James D. Watson. Excerpted from his book DNA. The Secret of

Does that mean that if I have the DNA of Genghis, I can claim Mongolia, and 
kick everybody else out? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>> On Aug 14, 9:12 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:1187139827.623367.318560@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Aug 14, 5:41 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>> >> Muslim Brotherhood Leader in Sudan Sheik Sadeq Abdallah bin 
>>>>> >> Al-Majed
>>>>> >> Prohibits Vaccination of Children and Declares: Darfur Crisis Is a
>>>>> >> Conspiracy by Jews and Freemasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> > He is most probably right! Nobody has made more money from the 
>>>>> > Darfur
>>>>> > slaughter
>>>>> > than Jews, like Semyon Mogilevich, Mark Rich, Nevzlin brothers and 
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > rest of the Jewish Mafia.
>>>>> > Where do you think the weapons and ammunition come from? You can 
>>>>> > trace
>>>>> > the deliveries
>>>>> > very easily to the Victor Bout's flights to Sudan. If you wanted to
>>>>> > stop the slaughter in Darfur,
>>>>> > all you have to do is stop Jews selling the weapons to both sides.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vaccines are a Jewish and freemason conspiracy?
>>>>
>>>> Could be! Africans have had many plagues delivered to them by many
>>>> races of people, no wonder they beware.
>>>
>>> African Muslims are the only ones affected by this warped line of 
>>> thinking. This doesn't happen in Ethiopia.
>>
>> Next thing you will tell me that Ethiopians are not muslims
>
> 61 percent Christian 33 percent Muslim.
 Eritrea is a geographical part of Ethiopia and predominantly muslim 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>> You are not just stupid you are illiterate!
>>>
>>> You are.
>>>
>>> Double Helix, James D. Watson. Excerpted from his book DNA. The Secret 
>>> of
>
> "Hammer and others have been able to use the Y chromosome to track the
> entire Diaspora with interesting results. The Ashkenazim, for example, who
> have lived in Europe for the past 1200 years (and now the United States 
> and
> elsewhere) have never the less maintained the genetic indications of their
> Middle Eastern origins. In fact molecular studies have made plain that the
> Jews genetically at least, are virtually indistinguishable from all other
> Middle Eastern groups including Palestinians."
>
>> Does that mean that if I have the DNA of Genghis, I can claim Mongolia, 
>> and kick everybody else out?
>
> Let's take it one step at a time. I just proved Jews are semites.
YOU HAVE PROVED SHIT!
> 




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http://www.rjchq.org/

The last decade has seen tremendous growth in the number of jews identifying 
with Republican ideas and the GOP. The Republican Jewish Coalition, founded 
in 1985, is the sole voice of Jewish Republicans to Republican decision 
makers and the Jewish community, expressing our viewpoint on a wide variety 
of issues.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is the well-respected representative of the 
Jewish community to Republican elected officials and party leaders and is 
the pre-eminent Republican organization in the Jewish community.

With a strong presence in Washington, D.C. and chapters around the country, 
the RJC is making a difference for the growing Jewish Republican movement in 
America.

The group has supported a hard-line approach to negotiating an 
Israeli-Palestinian peace accord, criticizing President Clinton for 
"appeasing Chairman Arafat" instead of requiring "responsibility and 
compliance from the Palestinian Authority." Allied with Israel's Likud 
government, the group supported the construction of the controversial Har 
Homa settlement in East Jerusalem, over Palestinian objections that the 
project jeopardized the peace process. It also supports continued American 
military support of Israel, including a recent project to build an 
anti-ballistic missile system.

On the domestic front, the RJC supports school choice and voucher 
initiatives, saying they help curb the "risk of assimilation" for some Jews 
living in the United States. "By lessening the financial burdens, vouchers 
would make a Jewish education available to the entire Jewish community," 
reads one position paper. The group has supported welfare reform, lowering 
the estate and capital gains taxes, voluntary prayer by student groups in 
public school, the legal right to perform abortions, as well as tougher 
crime laws, including a California-style "three strikes" laws for some 
federal crimes.

members include:

Lewis M. Eisenberg
Vice Chairman


Mr. Eisenberg served from 1995 to 2001 as Chairman of the Board of 
Commissioners of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The Port 
Authority is also, of course, the owner of the World Trade Center, and Mr. 
Eisenberg led the agency through the first three months of recovery and 
clean-up after the terrorist attacks of September 11. He was recently named 
a member of New Yorks Lower Manhattan Redevelopment Authority, which will 
spearhead the rebuilding of Ground Zero.

Mr. Eisenberg is a long-time Republican activist and was recently elected 
Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. He has raised 
millions of dollars for the Republican Party and Republican candidates. He 
served on New York Governor George Patakis transition team and was a key 
advisor to New Jersey Governor Christine Whitman.

Michael David Epstein
Vice Chairman


Mr Epstein is very active in the Jewish community; he serves in a leadership 
capacity in the Melvin J. Berman Hebrew Academy, the Jewish Institute for 
National Security Affairs (JINSA), Aish HaTorah, the Jewish National Fund, 
and the State of Israel Bonds.

Lawrence Kadish
Honorary Chairman


He is the founding chairman of the Committee for Security and Peace in the 
Middle East and the American Middle East Information Network. Encouraged and 
supported by Mr. Kadish, these two institutions have sought to strengthen 
democracy and encourage pluralism in the Middle East and around the globe. 
Mr. Kadish has been a supporter of the Investigative Project which conducted 
a strategic review of world wide terrorism and cautioned Americans on the 
eve of September 11th that systematic terrorism was threatening our nation?s 
security. Lawrence Kadish has also served as a contributor to various 
organizations including the Foundation for Media and Public Affairs, the 
Foundation for Responsible Government, the Center for Security Policy and 
the Drug Free America Foundation.

Lawrence Kadish has been topping lists of Republican donors since George H. 
W. Bush was president.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:zhXLYUyPOmYJ:elitewatch.911review.org/RJC.html+%22America%27s+wealthiest%22+jewish&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=26&gl=us





From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:43:34 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:pjvwi.4155$7e6.3372@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>>>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:1187143519.146776.325950@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Aug 14, 9:12 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>>>> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news:1187139827.623367.318560@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Aug 14, 5:41 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Muslim Brotherhood Leader in Sudan Sheik Sadeq Abdallah bin 
>>>>>>> >> Al-Majed
>>>>>>> >> Prohibits Vaccination of Children and Declares: Darfur Crisis Is 
>>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>>> >> Conspiracy by Jews and Freemasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > He is most probably right! Nobody has made more money from the 
>>>>>>> > Darfur
>>>>>>> > slaughter
>>>>>>> > than Jews, like Semyon Mogilevich, Mark Rich, Nevzlin brothers and 
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > rest of the Jewish Mafia.
>>>>>>> > Where do you think the weapons and ammunition come from? You can 
>>>>>>> > trace
>>>>>>> > the deliveries
>>>>>>> > very easily to the Victor Bout's flights to Sudan. If you wanted 
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > stop the slaughter in Darfur,
>>>>>>> > all you have to do is stop Jews selling the weapons to both sides.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vaccines are a Jewish and freemason conspiracy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could be! Africans have had many plagues delivered to them by many
>>>>>> races of people, no wonder they beware.
>>>>>
>>>>> African Muslims are the only ones affected by this warped line of 
>>>>> thinking. This doesn't happen in Ethiopia.
>>>>
>>>> Next thing you will tell me that Ethiopians are not muslims
>>>
>>> 61 percent Christian 33 percent Muslim.
>> Eritrea is a geographical part of Ethiopia and predominantly muslim
>
> Why do you love to lie.... Either that, or you are moronic... Eritrea is a 
> STATE....

only for the last 20 years. Artificial state created by the Lords of the 
dollar 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>>> "snakehawk"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>> On Aug 14, 4:29 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>>>> Following Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hamas won the election.  Remember?  Hamas did not violently takeover
>>>>>> Gaza; Hamas legally removed a gang of traitors who had taken over the
>>>>>> government illegally.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess your definition of legally removing a gang of traitors entails 
>>>>> some of the worst violence known to man. But then again your kind 
>>>>> always have chosen a violent path. Must be in your blood.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Western leaders have exerted
>>>>>>> pressure on Israel to bolster what they believe are Palestinian 
>>>>>>> moderates-
>>>>>>> the Fatah movement and its leaders-as a bulwark against the Hamas
>>>>>>> extremists. They are aided by Western media reports fostering an 
>>>>>>> image of
>>>>>>> Palestinian moderation while frequently glossing over evidence to 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> contrary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, Israel is supporting the rebels, fostering rebellion,
>>>>>> interfering with a legitimate government of a neighboring state in
>>>>>> violation of international law.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no neighboring state. There is no violation of international 
>>>>> law. All we have are lies from racist people like yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> And sure, Israel is being aided by
>>>>>> Western media that keeps glossing over the fact the Hamas, and not 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Israeli-controlled Fatah, is the legitimate ruling faction in Arab
>>>>>> Palestine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Israel is not in control of Fatah.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> neo-nazi supporters>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If ever a "state" needed eradicating, it's that little racist rathole
>>>>>> called Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Israel allows 1.5 million Arab muslims on their soil.
>>>> IT IS THE LAND OF PALESTINE YOU ARE BLABBERING ABOUT CREEPO!
>>>
>>> It is the state of Israel dummy. The Jewish state.
>>>
>>>> Arabs don't allow Jews
>>>>> on theirs.
>>>> IT IS ARABS WHO HAVE SAVED THE JEWISH RACE FROM EXTINCTION, AND 
>>>> ISABELLAS TORTURE CHAMBERS, CREEPO!
>>>
>>> Only half truth. But the fact is they were under dhimmi status.
>>
>> Did they have to wear a dunce cap like they wore in Venice?
>> Why did most Jews choose to settle in Arab countries, if this was the 
>> case?
>
> Probably in most cases it was before Islam came about.

You are a real idiot! Jews settled in Arab countries after the Inqusition. 
60,000 of the bastards settled in muslim Bosnia, not in the Ustasha Croatia. 
The oldest synagogue in Europe is in Sarajevo!
Why didn't they go to Venice? 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 14, 2:19 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>> JERUSALEM (AFP) - - Israel's former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu
>> was set to be re-elected on Tuesday as leader of Likud, the hawkish
>> party topping opinion polls a year after its worst electoral defeat.
>> ADVERTISEMENT
>>
>> Internal party opinion polls have given Netanyahu a massive lead in
>> the party primary, with at least 70 percent of the vote in the race
>> against Moshe Feiglin, backed by Likud's hardline religious current,
>> and another little-known candidate, Danny Danon.
>>
>> Former foreign minister Silvan Shalom, the only candidate to threaten
>> Netanyahu's leadership, refused last month to take part in the race
>> after Netanyahu decided on the party primary date without consulting
>> him.
>>
>> The biggest threat to Netanyahu in Tuesday's vote is turnout -- as it
>> is taking place in the middle of summer vacation, many of the 100,000
>> registered members of Likud could stay away, observers say.
>>
>> A decent showing by Feiglin -- a religious hardliner -- could force
>> Netanyahu to give him a senior leadership post, a move that could dent
>> Likud's currently soaring ratings and hurt the party's chances for a
>> comeback should early elections be held.
>>
>> To avoid that scenario, Netanyahu has appealed to Likud voters to cast
>> ballots.
>>
>> "Go out and vote as tonight starts the true race for leadership of the
>> government," he said while casting his ballot in Jerusalem. "I ask
>> Likud voters to think about the future of the country."
>>
>> "Likud cannot become a marginal party," he said earlier. "We don't
>> want an inaccurate representation that suggests we advocate
>> insubordination and messianic ideals."
>>
>> Party members were casting ballots from 0700 GMT until 2000 GMT on
>> Tuesday, with the first unofficial results expected to be released
>> around 2100 GMT.
>>
>> Although Netanyahu's grip on Israel's main right-wing opposition party
>> was never in doubt, the primary was called because under Likud's
>> charter, a new leadership vote must be held if the party loses
>> national elections.
>>
>> During Israel's last parliamentary polls in March 2006, Likud suffered
>> a stinging electoral defeat under Netanyahu's stewardship. It took
>> only 12 seats in the 120-member parliament, the worst result since it
>> won its first legislative election in 1977 and began to dominate
>> national politics.
>>
>> The humiliating reversal came four months after Netanyahu was elected
>> chairman to replace former premier Ariel Sharon, who quit to form the
>> centrist Kadima that won the March poll.
>>
>> But the fortunes of Likud and Netanyahu have turned around, as the
>> ratings of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Kadima have slid in the wake
>> of last year's inconclusive war in Lebanon and a string of scandals
>> involving senior government officials.
>>
>> Today 57-year-old Bibi, as Netanyahu is known in Israel, is the
>> public's first choice to be Israel's next prime minister -- 36 percent
>> favoured him in a recent opinion poll, compared with eight percent for
>> Olmert and 22 percent for former premier Ehud Barak.
>>
>> The same poll showed that Likud would more than double its
>> representation in the Knesset if new elections were held, winning 26
>> seats, more than any other party.
>
> You say it like it's a bad thing..

Bad for the peace in the world, good for the ZioNazi tyrants 




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Media and terrorism experts alike have remarked on the increasing 
sophistication of al Qaeda propaganda videos that continue to be released by 
the group's media wing, as Sahab.

One computer expert, however, has conducted extensive image analysis on many 
of the videos and concluded that in many cases the tapes were likely 
doctored to give a false impression of the speaker's location.

Neal Krawetz, founder of Hacker Factor, a computer security and consulting 
firm, created a computer program which he uses to analyze screen frames from 
various al Qaeda videos, including those of al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al Zawahri 
and American al Qaeda commander Adam Gadahn. His software suggests that in 
many cases the sophisticated backgrounds were likely added after the video 
of the speaker was recorded.

Photos: See What's Behind al Qaeda's Propaganda Tapes

By looking at the error levels of the different elements in the still 
frames, or JPEGs, he can tell which elements are older and which are newer. 
In other words, he can tell which areas of the video were modified more 
recently.

For example, in one video of Zawahri released in July of last year, he 
appears to be seated in a news studio complete with a backdrop of images of 
the World Trade Center attacks and hijacker Mohammed Atta.

Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage.

News commentators at the time remarked on how Zawahri, who many assumed to 
be hiding in a cave, was able to record a video message from a high-tech 
newsroom.

Krawetz, however, says that background was very likely added after Zawahri 
filmed his message.

"That's the fakest one so far," said Krawetz.

Krawetz found six different layers on one JPEG from that video, implying the 
various background components were very likely added after Zawahri recorded 
his message.

Krawetz says an even more visible clue occurs as the video itself plays, 
when there is a subtle shifting of the camera. The image of Zawahri appears 
to move side-to-side as if the camera is shaking while the background 
remains still.

In another video of Zawahri released in August 2005, the same summer as the 
bombing attacks on the London subway system, Zawahri appears outside of a 
tent with his trusted Kalashnikov behind him. At the time, some in the media 
remarked at the brazen message delivered in broad daylight just a few weeks 
after the London attacks.

Krawetz, however, notes that while the sunlight moves against the backdrop, 
the light levels on Zawahri's face never change. Once again, this implies 
the background could have been added after the video monologue was recorded. 
While it may appear he is staring into the sun because of the reflection in 
his eyeglasses, Krawetz speculates he was actually seated in front of a 
spotlight.

On the eve of the 9/11 anniversary last year, Zawahri and American al Qaeda 
leader Adam Gadahn released a video in which Gadahn praised the hijackers 
and their mission. On the tape, Gadahn is seen seated in a white room with a 
computer and books behind him.

After analyzing the image, Krawetz determined the books were at different 
error levels and a different color spectrum than the rest of the room, 
implying they were added when the subtitles and as Sahab logo were added to 
the video. Whether this was an attempt to send a message to followers, an 
attempt to hide something else in the background or served any purpose at 
all remains unclear.

My comment:

All the videos are very clumsily doctored. It does not take an expert

to see that "Osama" in the video is not the real thing!






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On Aug 15, 10:42 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Well Alex the German courts have proven you wrong again.
>
> http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007/08/15/story_15-8-2007
> _pg7_2
>
> BERLIN: A German court on Tuesday upheld a ban on female teachers
> wearing headscarves in schools in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia,
> which is home to almost a third of the country=3Fs 3.5 million Muslims.
> Seven of Germany=3Fs 16 states have banned teachers from wearing Islamic
> headscarves

HOW ABOUT THE HEADSCARVES THAT JEWISH WOMEN WEAR, THEY OK?



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 15, 10:39 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> I am sure you are right Alex and Pakistian is behind it. Here is another
> article on the same subject
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pakistan_funded_and_armed_Taliban_US_
> document/articleshow/2282594.cms
>
> WASHINGTON: Close on the heels of a US intelligence report of a
> resurgence of Taliban in Pakistan's border areas, newly declassified
> documents reveal that Islamabad was directly involved in funding, arming
> and advising the militant group.

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!



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On Aug 14, 9:02 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1187139273.857666.307530@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Aug 14, 8:23 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1187129660.775263.209470@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Aug 14, 5:45 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> >> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:Le8wi.404$wN3.390@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> >> >> > "DoD"  wrote in message
> >> >> >news:46c104b5$0$20539$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> >> >> > > "Ariadne"  wrote in message
> >> >> > >news:1187053635.973637.11110@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > >> Posters in Ghana discussing Jews:
>
> >> >>http://www.discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=14214&postdays=0&...
>
> >> >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/2kf4fu
>
> >> >> > >> Just let your eyes glaze at the propaganda posts.
>
> >> >> > > Where do you find these things? Maybe a few of us ought to take a
> >> >> > > break
> >> >> > > from this sewer and educate these people.
>
> >> >> > Sewer is where you stay arsehole! One would have to be pretty stupid
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > believe that Mongolized Europeans have nothing to do with the
> >> >> > ancient
> >> >> > semites of the Land of Shem.
>
> >> >> DNA proves once again you are lying.
>
> >> > DNA, MY ARSE!
>
> >> Figures that since you are a Muslim, you have an adversity to modernity
> >> and
> >> technology.
>
> > GARBAGE YOU TALK AS USUAL, DODIE! yOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY NOT VISITED A
> > MUSLIM COUNTRY NOR ATTENDED UNIVERSITY THERE, I HAVE. THERE IS NO DNA
> > EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THE ASHKENAZI OR OTHER JEWS ARE EVEN REMOTELY
> > RELATED TO ANCIENT PEOPLE WHO INHABITED THE LAND OF SHAM. NONE
> > WHATSOEVER!
>
> Why does the foremost expert on DNA say that you are wrong?

WHAT FUCKING "EX-SPURT", SOME JEW I BET?



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 A major European United for Truth march is to take place at Brussels
starting at BRUXELLES GARE DU NORD at 14H00 on 9th September 2007.

Professor Griffin is considered one of the most respected leader of the 9/11 
truth movement.
His message:

Dear 9/11 Truth Seekers,

I regret that, due to the fact that I'm addressing an audience in
Oslo, I am unable to attend your United for Truth March here
in Brussels. Nevertheless, I wish, by means of this written
statement, to say a few words of encouragement and appreciation for
your efforts.

The attacks in New York and Washington six years ago left the
American people stunned and ready to agree to almost anything the
Bush-Cheney administration proposed. At home, this has meant severe
restrictions on civil liberties in the name of the so-called PATRIOT
Act.

Abroad, we have had a so-called war on terror, which has really been
a war of aggression against Muslims and a war for oil and domination
in Muslim nations. This has meant six years of torture, humiliation,
and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in Afghanistan and
Iraq, people who were either innocent civilians or soldiers fighting
against an immoral and even illegal occupation.

During this period, we have also seen an unprecedented media cover-up
in the United States and allied countries. Such cover-ups have
happened before. But in this case, the crime was more enormous, the
consequences were more catastrophic, and the evidence was more
obvious. (For example, just by looking at the collapse of Building 7
of the World Trade Center, anyone who knows anything about these
matters can see that it was brought down by explosives, as Danny
Jowenko of Holland has illustrated.) The failure of the media to
expose the lies of the official story threatens the continued
existence of democracy, which simply cannot function without an
independent media, dedicated to revealing crimes of state.

The truth is, of course, that the War on Terror is bogus. The 9/11
Truth Movement is driven by a desire to find out the truth about what
really happened on 9/11 and who is really behind these attacks. In 6
years, the movement has made a lot of headway. More and more people
are starting to realise that the attacks of 9/11 were an inside job,
orchestrated by the United States government as a pretext to carry
out its pre-established policies.

There have been two very important developments in the 9/11 Truth
Movement during the past year. One has been the emergence of groups
of professionals. We now have not only have Scholars for 9/11 Truth
and Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, which puts out the Journal
of 9/11 Studies. We also have Veterans for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for
9/11 Truth, and, most recently, Architects and Engineers for 9/11
Truth. Moreover, even though there is not yet an organization of
former intelligence professionals, many of them have spoken out.
Three former CIA analysts, for example, have endorsed my books.

The other big development has been the growth of 9/11 activism in
Europe. I have come to believe that if the truth is ever to be
exposed, Europe will probably need to lead the way. Awareness appears
to be spreading far and wide. This United for Truth March---the first
of its kind in Brussels, I understand---is testimony to this growing
awareness.

But we still have a long road ahead of us. Therefore it is important
that you all keep working to force politicians around the globe,
especially the European Parliament in Brussels, to demand a genuine
inquiry into 9/11. A genuine investigation is all that it will take
for the truth to come out, because once people get empirical about
9/11, they quickly see what you have all come to see: that the
evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is obvious.

What is needed is a new and fully independent Commission to uncover
the truth about what really happened during that fateful day six
years ago. This commission should consist of world leaders,
scientists, philosophers, architects, engineers, intelligence
professionals, military experts, and other people with relevant
expertise. And they should take evidence from people who were not
allowed to give testimony to the 9/11 Commission and other bodies who
have issued the official reports in the United States---such as
firefighters, police officers, other first responders, people who
escaped from the towers and the Pentagon, and people near Shanksville
Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 was said to have crashed.

And when finally the truth is revealed, we can learn from it and
start the healing process. We will perhaps need a Truth and
Reconciliation Commission. But first we need to get some truth out
into the open, so as to motivate a more formal discovery process.

Congratulations on your success in organizing this historic march.
May it become known as one of the steps that helped the truth about
9/11---a truth that will do much to overcome the insanity we are now
living through---come out.

David Griffin

http://virb.com/unitedfortruth 




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"Mel Rowing"  wrote in message 
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> On 15 Aug, 21:27, Jason P  wrote:
>
>>     That's why the native Whites of Iceland and northern Canada, if
>> they have any sense, will arrest those fleeing liberals as soon as
>> they step off the plane and deport them straight back where they came
>> from: the racially mixed hell-holes their criminal ideas and actions
>> helped create.
>
> And who are and what is the origin of these native whites of norther
> Canada? Inuit no doubt!
>
> And the "native whites of North America" ? Their origin?
>
> Are Spanish and Portuguese the native languages of South and Central
> America?

Actually they are! Ever heard of the Nootka colony? I guess not. Well 
Captain Narvaez established the colony on Vancouver Island for 20 years, and 
abandoned it only during the Spanish war.

Russians  established a colony in Northern California at Fort Ross, which 
still ezists today
>
> How about Australia? New Zealand?
Same in Australia, numerous Spanis and Portugese sailors established 
themselves Down under! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "zzpat"  wrote in message
> news:f9v8ai0mer@enews4.newsguy.com...
>> DoD wrote:
>> Israel is really an "apartheid" nation state and that every
>> > single Palestinian, including the suicide killers, their handlers, and
> their
>> > billionaire funders are barefoot, unarmed, and innocent victims of
> Israeli
>> > and Jewish aggression.
>>
>> Palestine has a GDP of about $2 billion
>
> Palestine does not exist.
 ISRAEL DOES NOT EXIST, WHAT EXISTS IS THE OCCUPIED PALESTINE! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Imagine, if you would, that a nascent nation state, somewhere in the 
> world,
> was in formation that had taken on these features:
>
> Its new constitution would not allow for any juridical status for Judaism.
> Jews would not even be allowed to live in the country.
> Selling land to a Jew would be a capital crime.

YOU BET! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> Palestinian Authority (PA) have adopted Shariah law. The Israeli are
> getting illegally attacked and bombed what do you suppose it does not
> breed some hatred back.

Kikes deserve all they get! 




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August 15, 2007

"No American President can stand up to Israel."

These words came from feisty Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval 
Operations (1967-1970) and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 
(1970-1974). Moorer was, perhaps, the last independent-minded American 
military leader.

Admiral Moorer knew what he was talking about. On June 8, 1967, Israel 
attacked the American intelligence ship, USS Liberty, killing 34 American 
sailors and wounding 173. The Israelis even strafed the life rafts, 
machine-gunning the American sailors leaving the stricken ship.

Apparently, the USS Liberty had picked up Israeli communications that 
revealed Israel's responsibility for the Seven Day War. Even today, history 
books and the majority of Americans blame the conflict on the Arabs.

The United States Navy knew the truth, but the President of the United 
States took Israel's side against the American military and ordered the 
United States Navy to shut its mouth. President Lyndon Johnson said it was 
all just a mistake. Later in life, Admiral Moorer formed a commission and 
presented the unvarnished truth to Americans.

The power of the Israel Lobby over American foreign policy is considerable. 
In March 2006, two distinguished American scholars, John Mearsheimer and 
Stephen Walt, expressed concern in the London Review of Books that the power 
of the Israel Lobby was bending US foreign policy in directions that serve 
neither US nor Israeli interests. The two experts were hoping to start a 
debate that might rescue the US and Israel from unsuccessful policies of 
coercion that are intensifying Muslim hatred of Israel and America. The 
Israel lobby was opposed to any such reassessment, and attempted to close it 
off with epithets: "Jew-baiter," "anti-semitic," and even "anti-American." 
Today Israeli citizens who oppose Zionist plans for greater Israel are 
denounced as "anti-Semites."

Many Americans are unaware of the influence of the Israel lobby. Instead 
they think of the US as "the world's sole superpower," a macho new Roman 
Empire whose orders are obeyed without question or the insolent nonentity is 
"bombed back to the stone age." Many Americans are convinced that military 
coercion serves our interest. They cite Libya, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, 
and now they are ready to bring Iran and Pakistan to heel with bombs.

This arrogance results in the murder of tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds 
of thousands, of men, women and children, a fate that many Americans seem to 
believe is appropriate for countries that do not accept US hegemony.

Coercion is what American foreign policy has become. Macho superpatriots 
love it. Many of these superpatriots derive vicarious pleasure from their 
delusions that America is "kicking those sand niggers' asses."

This is the America of the Bush Regime. If some of these superpatriots had 
their way every "unpatriotic, terrorist supporter" who dares to criticize 
the war against "the Islamofacists" would be sent to Gitmo, if not shot on 
the spot.

These Bush supporters have morphed the Republican Party into the Brownshirt 
Party. They cannot wait to attack Iran, preferably with nuclear weapons. 
Impatient for Armageddon, some are so full of hubris and self-righteousness 
that they actually believe that their support for evil means they will be 
"wafted up to heaven." [see

It has come as a crippling blow to Democrats that "their" political party is 
comfortable with Bush's America, and will do nothing to stop the Bush 
regime's aggression against the Iraqi people or to prevent the Bush regime's 
attack on Iran.

The Democrats could easily impeach both Bush and Cheney in the House, as 
impeachment only requires a majority vote. They could not convict in the 
Senate without Republican support, as conviction requires ratification by 
two-thirds of Senators present. Nevertheless, a House vote for impeachment 
would take the wind out of the sails of war, save countless lives and 
perhaps even save humanity from nuclear holocaust.

Various rationales or excuses have been constructed for the Democrats' 
complicity in aggression that does not serve America. Perhaps the most 
popular rationale is that the Democrats are letting the Republicans have all 
the rope they want with which to produce such a high disapproval rating that 
the Democrats will sweep the 2008 election.

It is doubtful that the Democrats would assume that men as cunning as Karl 
Rove and Dick Cheney do not understand the electoral consequences of a low 
public approval rating and are walking blindly into an electoral wipeout. 
Rove's departure does not mean that no strategy is in place.

So what does explain the complicity of the Democratic Party in a policy that 
the American public, and especially Democratic constituencies, reject? 
Perhaps a clue is offered from the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune news 
report (August 1, 2007) that Democratic Congressman Keith Ellison will spend 
a week in Israel on "a privately funded trip sponsored by the American 
Israel Education Federation. The AIEF--the charitable arm of the American 
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)--is sending 19 members of Congress 
to meet with Israeli leaders. The group, made up mostly of freshman 
Democrats, has plans to meet with Isreali Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and 
[puppet] Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. The senior Democratic member 
on the trip is House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who has gone three times. 
. . . The trip to Israel is Ellison's second as a congressman."

According to the Star-Tribune, a Republican group, which includes Rep. 
Michele Bachmann (R, Minn), led by Rep. Eric Cantor (R, Va) is already in 
Israel. According to news reports, another 40 are following these two groups 
during the August recess, and "by the time the year is out every single 
member of Congress will have made their rounds in Israel." This claim is 
probably overstated, but it does show careful Israeli management of US 
policy in the Middle East.

Elsewhere on earth and especially among Muslims, the suspicion is rife that 
the reason the war against Iraq cannot end, and the reason Iran and Syria 
must be attacked, is that the US must destroy all Muslim opposition to 
Israel's theft of Palestine, turning an entire people into refugees driven 
>from their homes and from the lands on which they have lived for many 
centuries. Americans might think that they are merely grabbing control over 
oil, keeping it out of the hands of terrorists, but that is not the way the 
rest of the world views the conflict.

Jimmy Carter was the last American president who stood up to Israel and 
demanded that US diplomacy be, at least officially if not in practice, 
even-handed in its approach to Israel and Palestine. Since Carter's 
presidency, even-handedness has slowly drained from US policy in the Middle 
East. The neoconservative Bush/Cheney regime has abandoned even the pretense 
of even-handedness.

This is unfortunate, because military coercion has proven to be 
unsuccessful. Exhausted from the conflict, the US military, according to 
former Secretary of State and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 
Colin Powell, is "nearly broken." Demoralized elite West Point graduates are 
leaving the army at the fastest clip in 30 years. Desertions are rapidly 
rising. A friend, a US Marine officer who served in combat in Vietnam, 
recently wrote to me that his son's Marine unit, currently training for its 
third deployment to Iraq in September, is short 12-16 men in every platoon 
and expects to be hit with more AWOLs prior to deployment.

Instead of re-evaluating a failed policy, Bush's "war tsar," General Douglas 
Lute, has called for the reinstitution of the draft. Gen. Lute doesn't see 
why Americans should not be returned to military servitude in order to save 
the Bush administration the embarrassment of having to correct a mistaken 
Middle East policy that commits the US to more aggression and to 
debilitating long-term military conflict in the Middle East.

It is difficult to see how this policy serves any interest other than the 
very narrow one of the armaments industry. Apparently, nothing can be done 
to change this disastrous policy until the Israel Lobby comes to the 
realization that Israel's interest is not being served by the current policy 
of military coercion.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan 
administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial 
page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The 
Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com 




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A Monitor series reveals the damage done to a citizen's rights and thus the 
US ability to wage this war.
A critical legal case shedding light on President Bush's antiterror tactics 
will soon come to a head. A jury will decide in coming days if an American 
citizen, Jose Padilla, is guilty of aiding Al Qaeda. The verdict will signal 
whether US civic values must be bent to win a war.

A three-part Monitor series reveals the troubling ways in which the 
administration shifted charges against Mr. Padilla, tried to avoid judicial 
review of his case, and likely damaged his mental health by using extreme 
isolation to extract information from him. (See final story.)

The ordeal of this former gang member and Taco Bell worker born in Brooklyn, 
who allegedly met with Al Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan to plot a 
radiological "dirty bomb" attack on a US city, has taken on implications 
that will shape the American campaign against Islamic terrorists for years 
to come.

At its root, US treatment of Padilla shows the inclination to do anything to 
break the silence of a suspected terrorist, even it means violating such 
basic citizen rights as protection against self-incrimination and harsh 
interrogation, as well as the right to a trial.

In short, the US military used terror - Padilla had little or no human 
contact for more than three years - to fight terror. Many mental health 
experts say his severe seclusion in a Navy brig impaired his thinking. A 
judge confirmed the disability but let the case continue, refusing to probe 
the government's hand in altering Padilla's ability to defend himself.

Forensic psychiatrist Angela Hegarty, who spent 22 hours with Padilla, says 
he has radically changed since his arrest in 2002. Whenever she tried to 
talk to him about his case, "he would just stop, change the subject, and 
twitch."

The odd trajectory of this case also shows the bob-and-weave tactics used by 
the administration to avoid constitutional challenges to the way it handles 
terror suspects.

At first, Padilla's rights were protected because he was detained under the 
criminal-justice system. But then he was labeled an enemy combatant and put 
under military control, like noncitizen detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. 
When the courts appeared close to challenging his status, the Bush 
administration switched him back to a criminal court and lessened the 
charges to one of merely supporting Al Qaeda.

Guilty or not, Padilla deserves the same rule of law that any US citizen can 
expect. America can't win a global war to defend its values by stepping on 
them. As Army Capt. Ian Fishback wrote to Sen. John McCain after witnessing 
US military abuses in Afghanistan: "I would rather die fighting than give up 
even the smallest part of the idea that is America."

One protection from Islamic terrorists lies in clinging to the civic virtues 
that terrorists seek to end. Such values are a source of safety and should 
not be eroded in trying to kill, capture - or prosecute - suspected 
terrorists.

One of America's strengths in this war lies in being able to rally other 
nations to its side by upholding universal principles. That same strength 
also weakens terrorists.

The jury may well find Padilla guilty, but it may also see the injustice 
done in his case, and decide otherwise.

Victory in war is sometimes a victory simply for the rule of law.




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Uncle Sam, Your Banker Will See You Now

By Paul Craig Roberts

08/08/07 "ICH" --- - Early this morning China let the idiots in Washington, 
and on Wall Street, know that it has them by the short hairs. Two senior 
spokesmen for the Chinese government observed that China's considerable 
holdings of US dollars and Treasury bonds "contributes a great deal to 
maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency."

Should the US proceed with sanctions intended to cause the Chinese currency 
to appreciate, "the Chinese central bank will be forced to sell dollars, 
which might lead to a mass depreciation of the dollar."

If Western financial markets are sufficiently intelligent to comprehend the 
message, US interest rates will rise regardless of any further action by 
China. At this point, China does not need to sell a single bond. In an 
instant, China has made it clear that US interest rates depend on China, not 
on the Federal Reserve.

The precarious position of the US dollar as reserve currency has been 
thoroughly ignored and denied. The delusion that the US is "the world's sole 
superpower," whose currency is desirable regardless of its excess supply, 
reflects American hubris, not reality. This hubris is so extreme that only 6 
weeks ago McKinsey Global Institute published a study that concluded that 
even a doubling of the US current account deficit to $1.6 trillion would 
pose no problem.

Strategic thinkers, if any remain who have not been purged by neocons, will 
quickly conclude that China's power over the value of the dollar and US 
interest rates also gives China power over US foreign policy. The US was 
able to attack Afghanistan and Iraq only because China provided the largest 
part of the financing for Bush's wars.

If China ceased to buy US Treasuries, Bush's wars would end. The savings 
rate of US consumers is essentially zero, and several million are afflicted 
with mortgages that they cannot afford. With Bush's budget in deficit and 
with no room in the US consumer's budget for a tax increase, Bush's wars can 
only be financed by foreigners.

No country on earth, except for Israel, supports the Bush regimes' desire to 
attack Iran. It is China's decision whether it calls in the US ambassador, 
and delivers the message that there will be no attack on Iran or further war 
unless the US is prepared to buy back $900 billion in US Treasury bonds and 
other dollar assets.

The US, of course, has no foreign reserves with which to make the purchase. 
The impact of such a large sale on US interest rates would wreck the US 
economy and effectively end Bush's war-making capability. Moreover, other 
governments would likely follow the Chinese lead, as the main support for 
the US dollar has been China's willingness to accumulate them. If the 
largest holder dumped the dollar, other countries would dump dollars, too.

The value and purchasing power of the US dollar would fall. When 
hard-pressed Americans went to Wal-Mart to make their purchases, the new 
prices would make them think they had wandered into Nieman Marcus. Americans 
would not be able to maintain their current living standard.

Simultaneously, Americans would be hit either with tax increases in order to 
close a budget deficit that foreigners will no longer finance or with large 
cuts in income security programs. The only other source of budgetary finance 
would be for the government to print money to pay its bills. In this event, 
Americans would experience inflation in addition to higher prices from 
dollar devaluation.

This is a grim outlook. We got in this position because our leaders are 
ignorant fools. So are our economists, many of whom are paid shills for some 
interest group. So are our corporate leaders whose greed gave China power 
over the US by offshoring the US production of goods and services to China. 
It was the corporate fat cats who turned US Gross Domestic Product into 
Chinese imports, and it was the "free trade, free market economists" who 
egged it on.

How did a people as stupid as Americans get so full of hubris? 




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In an "editorial" published in the Boston Herald, neocon propagandist-and 
jackleg historian-Jonah Goldberg gives us a running history lesson on 
"al-Qaeda," specifically its purported ideological founder, Sheikh Abdullah 
Azzam. According to Goldberg, the late Azzam was "one of the founders of the 
jihadist movement that became al-Qaeda." Indeed, this is true, although Mr. 
Goldberg, of course, does not bother to tell us the rest of the story, as 
Paul Harvey might have it.

Sheikh Abdullah Yusuf Azzam ran Maktab Khadamat al-Mujahidin al-Arab, the 
recruiting arm of the CIA-ISI operation against the Soviets in Afghanistan, 
responsible for organizing 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries 
in the Middle East, North and East Africa, Central Asia and the Far East, as 
veteran Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid has noted. "Even conventional 
sources regard Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK) as a CIA and ISI front organization. 
Moreover, MAK served as the offices of the World Muslim League and the 
Muslim Brotherhood in the northern Pakistan city of Peshawar," I wrote in 
January, 2006. As I have explained elsewhere, Azzam's connection to the 
Muslim Brotherhood is significant:

  Azzam's connection to the Muslim Brotherhood is a significant factor, 
considering the Muslim organization was long ago penetrated and made to jump 
through hoops for the sake of MI6 and later the CIA. "According to CIA agent 
Miles Copeland, the Americans began looking for a Muslim Billy Graham around 
1955," writes the Palestinian-born journalist and author Said K. Aburish. 
"When finding or creating a Muslim Billy Graham proved elusive, the CIA 
began to cooperate with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim mass organization 
founded in Egypt but with followers throughout the Arab Middle East." In 
1957, the CIA and MI6 collaborated to use the Muslim Brotherhood in an 
effort to destabilize Syria and assassinate its nationalist leaders (see 
Jean Shaoul, CIA-MI6 planned to assassinate Syrian leaders in 1957), a plan 
following the successful CIA-instigated overthrow of the popular and 
democratically elected Iranian leader Mohammed Mossadegh by a few years.

Azzam was simply one of a number of CIA-ISI operatives and patsies:

  As is often the case with useful but ultimately disposable Muslim 
fanatics, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam was assassinated on November 24, 1989 and 
Osama bin Laden took his place. Indeed. "al-Qaeda" may be considered an 
outgrowth of MAK-or more precisely, an heir apparent as engineered by the 
CIA, ISI, and Saudi intelligence. MAK had served its purpose as a recruiter 
and proselytizer of Wahhabi fanaticism in Afghanistan and after the Soviets 
were ejected the services of Azzam were no longer required (and he was 
likely considered a danger to the next phase-the spawning and unleashing of 
"al-Qaeda" in the Balkans and Chechnya).

"MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence 
Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and 
Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of 
three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK," writes 
Norm Dixon, an indisputable fact admitted by MSNBC in August, 1998, before 
everything changed, including history as recited by neocons. Hekmatyar, 
closely associated with bin Laden and Azzam, according to Asia Times, was 
"an ISI stooge and creation" (see above link).

Lisa Beyer, writing for Time Magazine as the pall of toxic fumes lingered 
over Ground Zero in New York, tells us: "At the King Abdel Aziz University 
in Jidda, bin Laden, according to associates, was greatly influenced by one 
of his teachers, Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian who was a major figure in the 
Muslim Brotherhood, a group that has played a large role in the resurgence 
of Islamic religiosity. Bin Laden, who like most Saudis is a member of the 
puritanical Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam, had been pious from childhood, but 
his encounter with Azzam seemed to deepen his faith. What's more, through 
Azzam he became steeped not in the then popular ideology of pan-Arabism, 
which stresses the unity of all Arabs, but in a more ambitious 
pan-Islamicism, which reaches out to all the world's 1 billion Muslims."

Beyer, of course, does not tell us that it was British intelligence and the 
CIA and their corrupt clients in the Middle East behind the rise of 
"pan-Islamicism" at the expense of Arab nationalism. "The CIA was following 
the example of British Intelligence and sought to use Islam to further its 
goals," explains Peter Goodgame (The Globalists and the Islamists: Fomenting 
the "Clash of Civilizations" for a New World Order). "They wanted to find a 
charismatic religious leader that they could promote and control and they 
began to cooperate with groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood. With the rise 
of Nasser the Brotherhood was also courted more seriously by the pro-Western 
Arab regimes of Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They needed all the popular support 
that they could muster against the rise of Nasser-inspired Arab nationalism 
to keep their regimes intact."

For Jonah Goldberg and the neocons, however, the instrumental beginnings of 
the Muslim Brotherhood, MAK, and "al-Qaeda," a name gleaned from an Afghan 
mujahideen database, are not worthy of mention, as some people would get the 
idea that "Islamic terrorism"-hardly a concern before the Brits, Americans, 
and Israelis took up interest for the sake of their own agendas-is something 
other than what the corporate media tells us it is.




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      I WILL TELL YOU HOW COME: BECAUSE A JEWISH TYCOON DID NOT BUY AN 
INSURANCE POLICY ON IT TWO WEEKS BEFORE FIRE!

      China's Tallest Building Catches Fire, Does Not Collapse
      World Financial Center in Shanghai miraculously defies physics
      Paul Joseph Watson
      Prison Planet
      Wednesday, August 15, 2007


Shanghai's World Financial Center, the tallest building in China upon 
completion, defied all known physics yesterday afternoon when it caught fire 
but did not collapse, a modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted 
premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage 
implode within two hours.

Anyone who has visited Shanghai's Pudong district will note that the World 
Financial building eerily resembles the twin towers in New York that were 
destroyed on 9/11, which is why the sight of it catching fire yesterday 
would have led many to immediately fear the imminent collapse of the 
structure.

  "According to an eyewitness, the building caught fire around 4:35 p.m., 
and floors above the 40th floor were shrouded with dark smoke. The fire was 
fierce, burning debris fell from the building. Many people fled the building 
in panic," reports Epoch Times.

  "According to Mr. Deng, a local resident, floors above the 30th floor were 
engulfed in thick layers of smoke, while the top of the building was also 
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From: "ElParedon" 
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http://chimpplanet.journalspace.com/?cmd=forward&entryid=8986 




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Subject: Re: "NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT CAN STAND UP TO ISRAEL"
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"snakehawk"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 15, 7:26 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> August 15, 2007
>>
>> "No American President can stand up to Israel."
>>
>
> No American who stands up to Israel can be elected president.  The
> American public is too dimwitted to see the obvious. Every single one
> of the announced candidates for both the Republican and Democratic
> parties have already pledged their undying support for Israeli mass
> murder and armed robbery in Palestine.  Every candidate has already
> promised to send young Americans to war to protect Israel against the
> vengeance of the victims of Israeli brutality.  The United States is
> being seriously weakened, has lost its standing in the world, and is
> looked on as a cruel and clumsy bully by the rest of the world because
> of the unflagging support for and financing of a useless little piece
> of rock on the Mediteranean coast ruled over by a murderous mob of
> bigots who constitute a constant irritant to world peace.
>
> Every single candidate for the U.S. presidency has already broken
> federal law by accepting campaign contributions and cooperating with
> an agent of a foreign nation.  AIPAC has been caught more than once
> stealing U.S. classified information and handing it over to Israel, a
> foreign nation whose interests are inimical to the interests of the
> United States in the Middle East.  The alien wolfpack making up AIPAC
> are known to be traitorous spies, and every announced candidate for
> the presidency has already sold the United States down the river for a
> few bucks and a little publicity while wallowing in the AIPAC
> pigpen.
>
> Our young men are being killed and maimed and billions in our
> resources are being squandered in the Middle East because of Jewish
> groups like AIPAC who labor tirelessly for a little racist rat nest
> while they drain the United States of every drop they can manage.  And
> if the ill-informed and naive American voters are hoping that things
> will change after Bush is finally out of the White House, their in for
> a jolt.  Not a single candidate has the shown any inclination to put
> the interest of the United States first.  Jewish money talks, and
> integrity walks in U.S. national elections.

So true, bud! And very, very sad. I love America, too! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:43:43 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Imagine, if you would, that a nascent nation state, somewhere in the 
> world,
> was in formation that had taken on these features:
>
> Its new constitution would not allow for any juridical status for Judaism.

FUCK OFF LIAR! JEWS HAVE LIVED WITH ARABS FOR THOUSAND YEARS, THE OLDEST 
SYNAGOGUE IN MIDDLE EAST IS LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF MUSLIM CAIRO, YOU LYING 
FILTHY SON OF A JEW WHORE! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:43:45 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 16, 1:30 am, "Bababooie"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1187220098.817569.161000@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 15, 10:42 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> >> Well Alex the German courts have proven you wrong again.
>
> >>http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007/08/15/story_15-8-2007
> >> _pg7_2
>
> >> BERLIN: A German court on Tuesday upheld a ban on female teachers
> >> wearing headscarves in schools in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia,
> >> which is home to almost a third of the country=3Fs 3.5 million Muslims.
> >> Seven of Germany=3Fs 16 states have banned teachers from wearing Islamic
> >> headscarves
>
> > HOW ABOUT THE HEADSCARVES THAT JEWISH WOMEN WEAR, THEY OK?
>
> That's fine because they are the chosen.
>
"CHOSEN", MY ARSE!




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 Tonga sends soldiers to Iraq


CANBERRA, Aug. 16 (Xinhua) - Tonga is to deploy 55 soldiers to Iraq, 
Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) radio reported Thursday.

The soldiers will provide security at one of former Iraqi president Saddam 
Hussein's former palaces, which are now used as a military headquarters.

It is the second time Tonga has sent members of its defense force to serve 
as part of the U.S.-led coalition force.

Tonga's Information Minister Afu'alo Matoto told ABC that those taking part 
have volunteered for the tour of duty, but the government is expecting some 
public opposition.

"We haven't seen a lot of opposition, but I think there will be," he said.

"I have no doubt, just like anywhere else," he said.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-08/16/content_6542915.htm 




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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Coalition Forces kill 11 terrorists, detain four
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On Aug 16, 10:42 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually Alex they got 11 of them.
>
> http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13375
> &Itemid=21
>
> Coalition Forces killed 11 terrorists and detained four suspected
> terrorists

"TERRORISTS" MY ARSE! HOW CAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS BE TERRORISTS?
OCCUPATION TROOPS ARE TERRORISTS



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Aug 16, 10:44 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually what the Pakistainise courts did was decide to hand over five
> minor girls for marriage to a family in  compensation for a murder in
> Jacobabad.

AT LEAST THEY DO NOT FUCK THREE YEARS OLD ONES LIKE THE JEWS DO



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My name is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who became the first woman 
corporate manager of an Aerospace Company, Fairchild Industries.

I am a Space and Missile Defense Consultant and have consulted to a number 
of companies, organizations, and government departments, even the 
intelligence community. I was a consultant to TRW working on the MX missile, 
so I was part of that strategy, which turned out to be a role model for how 
to sell space-based weapons to the public. The MX missile is yet another 
weapon system that we didn't need. I founded the Institute for Security and 
Cooperation in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author 
and have testified before Congress and the President's Commission on Space.

When I was a Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries from 1974 through 
1977, I met the late Dr Wernher Von Braun. We first met in early 1974. At 
that time, Von Braun was dying of cancer but he assured me that he would 
live a few more years to tell me about the game that was being played- that 
game being the effort to weaponize space, to control the Earth from space 
and space itself. Von Braun had a history of working with weapons systems. 
He escaped from Germany to come to this country and became a Vice President 
of Fairchild Industries when I had met him. Von Braun's purpose during the 
last years of his life, his dying years, was to educate the public and 
decision-makers about why space-based weapons are dumb, dangerous, 
destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea, 
and about the alternatives that are available.
As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me about those concepts and 
who the players were in this game. He gave me the responsibility, since he 
was dying, of continuing this effort to prevent the weaponization of outer 
space. When Wernher Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his 
spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did 
this.
What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me 
over and over again during the approximately four years that I had the 
opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that was being used to 
educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics That was how 
we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that 
first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 
1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had 
"killer satellites". We were told that they were coming to get us and 
control us-that they were "Commies."

Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a 
lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third-world country 
"crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be 
the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons.
The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the 
first time he said it.

Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons.


And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. 
That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four 
years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up 
that last card. "And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are 
going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a 
lie."

FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=620




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> Hey moron, Depleted Uranium is only used for piercing enemy armor in
> conventional warfare.

I KNOW, MORON, I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU SPRINNKLE IT ON YOUR CEREAL EACH 
MORNING! 




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"Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 16, 1:18 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>> August 14, 2007
>>
>> Military officials said that the American occupation army arrested 750
>> children, aged between 11 to 17 years in its prisons in Iraq.
>> Officials justifying detaining minors to the increasing of recruitment
>> of Iraq's fighters for children and assigning them planting bombs and
>> explosives and explorations.
>>
>> The American army detained in February, with growing numbers of its
>> troops in Iraq, approximately 16 thousand people.
>>
>> Since that time, the number of detains in American prisons increased
>> to 50% to nearly 24 thousand prisoners.
>
>
> Rumor has it that the ZioNazis are harvesting organs from the children
> for transplant into elderly ZioNazis and the number kept is based upon
> blood type etc.
> There are even eyewitness accounts of the IDF hunting children for
> money in the occupied territories so that their organs can be
> harvested for either transplants of medical experiments, and in some
> cases even stealing the eyes of children to transplant into Jews.
>
> In one case, a Scottish man named Alisdair Sinclair was arrested and
> jailed in Israel, and if one can believe and Israeli, hung himself
> while in custody, but when his body was returned to his family, his
> heart had been stolen and the hyoid bone that would have proven he had
> hung himself was also missing.

Above is a fairly well documented statement, not a rumor!
>
>
> Is Israel harvesting organs of Palestinian youths?
> http://aztlan.net/palorgans.htm
>
> Bizarre death of Scottish tourist involves suicide, missing heart
> http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9799/edition_id/188/format/html/displaystory.html
> 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 16, 11:14 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>> Israel, United States sign record-high military aid deal
>>
>> United States offers Israel unprecedented $30-billion military aid 
>> package.
>> 'We look at this region and we see that a secure and strong Israel is in 
>> the
>> interest of the United States,' Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns 
>> says
>> during signing ceremony in Jerusalem
>> Ronny Sofer, AP
>>
>> The United States offered Israel on Thursday an unprecedented $30-billion
>> military aid package, bolstering its closest Mideast ally.
>>
>> The aid deal signed in a ceremony in Jerusalem represents a 25 percent 
>> rise
>> in US military aid to Israel, from a current $2.4 billion each year to $3
>> billion a year over 10 years.
>>
>> Nicholas Burns, the US Undersecretary of state for political affairs, and
>> Israeli Foreign Minister Director-General Aharon Abramovitz signed the
>> memorandum of understanding on the assistance at a ceremony in Jerusalem.
>>
>> The package was meant in part to offset US plans to offer Saudi Arabia
>> advanced weapons and air systems that would greatly improve the Arab 
>> country
>> 's air force.
>>
>> Israel has said it has no opposition to the US Aid to Saudi Arabia, which
>> comes as the United States strengthens moderate Arabs in facing the 
>> growing
>> influence of Iran.
>>
>> The US Administration sees the regional threats to Israel - namely Iran, 
>> and
>> the Hizbullah and Hamas militant groups - as threats to the United States 
>> as
>> well, Burns said.
>>
>> "We look at this region and we see that a secure and strong Israel is in 
>> the
>> interest of the United States," Burns said.
>>
>> "The Middle East is more dangerous today than it was 10, 20 year ago.. 
>> The
>> regional dangers seem only to increase as Iran develops nuclear 
>> technologies
>> and along with Syria supports organizations like Hamas, Hizbullah and the
>> Islamic Jihad.
>>
>> "We will continue to show the same support to our other allies in the
>> region, like Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain...the road to peace
>> includes showing countries like Iran and Syria that the US reinforces its
>> allies' militaries. Every peace agreement in the region was signed with 
>> that
>> notion in mind," he added.
>>
>> Congressional approval still needed
>>
>> The chief of Israel's central bank, Stanley Fischer, said the US aid is 
>> of
>> "critical importance" to Israel, whose defense budget constitutes about 
>> 10
>> percent of its Gross Domestic Product.
>>
>> The aid package to Israel was finalized in June in Washington between US
>> President George W. Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Olmert 
>> has
>> said the increase in military aid to Israel would guarantee its strategic
>> superiority, despite upgrades to Arab countries in the region.
>>
>> The US Has long-standing commitments to Israel and to Egypt, which in 
>> 1979
>> became the first Arab state to make peace with Israel. Egypt currently 
>> gets
>> $1.3 billion a year in military assistance.
>>
>> At the same time, the US is seeking to strengthen other moderate Mideast
>> allies, largely as a counterweight to Iran's growing influence. The 
>> United
>> States and Israel accuse Iran of developing nuclear bombs, a charge 
>> Tehran
>> denies.
>>
>> Iran, whose leader has repeatedly called for Israel to be wiped off the 
>> map,
>> is viewed by Israel as its main enemy. Shiite Muslim Iran also concerns 
>> the
>> Saudis and other Sunni-led Arab allies of the United States.
>>
>> The Bush administration must still receive Congressional approval for the
>> aid deals, but Burns said he believed there would be little opposition in
>> the Senate and House to the Israeli package.
>>
>> http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview...
>
> that's great news
> now all thats left is for americans to elect Rudy to the whitehouse
> and the arabs can forget about their "palestine" wet dream for another
> good eight years.
> we're on a roll here, lets keep it up till Rudy reaches the whitehouse

THAT SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM ALL IT WILL TAKE IS DIEBOLD CROOKS AND FEW 
THOUSAND JEWS IN HIGH PLACES! 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 16, 1:44 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On Aug 16, 1:02 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>
>> > On Aug. 8, the Treasury Department finally listed the Al-Salah Society 
>> > as
>> > "one of the largest and best-funded Hamas charities." The director of 
>> > the
>> > Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), Adam 
>> > Szubin,
>> > said, "Today's action alerts the word to the true nature of Al-Salah 
>> > and
>> > cuts it off from the U.S. financial system."
>>
>> I am sure that Al Salah balls are sweating!
>
> al salah is not a person you idiot, can't you read anglisky? go back
> to serbia and learn to read anglisky you retard.-

AL SALAH BALLS ARE SWEATING, GO LICK THEM JEWBOY! 




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"Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message 
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> The Dynamic Duo Of Lies
>
> Written by Jayne Gardner
>
> Part of what helped me to finally understand that I had been lied to
> about the Holocaust was the very testimony of some of the more famous
> survivors. Reading what happened to them during the war made
> absolutely no sense when stacked up against what we were being told
> about the horrors endured by the Jews in Europe's concentration camps.
> For instance, Elie Wiesel, a man who has come to personify the
> Holocaust, told of Jews being thrown into open pits of fire at
> Auschwitz, a fate that he only managed to escape by sheer chance.
> Here he differs from the majority of survivors who told of gas
> chambers being the instrument of death for the majority of camp
> inmates:
>
> "Forced to choose from among several Allied war propaganda lies, he
> chose to defend the fire lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or
> electrocution lies. In 1956, when he published his testimony in
> Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive in certain circles. This lie is
> the origin of the term Holocaust. Today there is no longer a single
> historian who believes that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the
> boiling water and of electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas
> remains."
>
> "In his autobiography, Wiesel writes:
>
> "Not far from us, flames were leaping up from a ditch, gigantic
> flames. They were burning something there. A lorry drew up at the pit
> and delivered its load - little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it - saw
> it with my own eyes. those children in the flames. (Is it surprising
> that I could not sleep after that? Sleep had fled from my eyes.) So
> this is where we were going. A little farther on was another and
> larger ditch for adults. [.] 'Father,' I said, 'if that is so, I don't
> want to wait here. I'm going to run to the electric wire. That would
> be better than slow agony in the flames.'"
>
> Compare this with the explanation given by Thies Christopherson in his
> article entitled Reflection On Auschwitz And West German Justice:
>
> "At first, those who died at Auschwitz were buried, but because of the
> high ground water level (one meter) in this area between the Vistula
> and Sola rivers, that practice couldn't be continued. A labor team
> headed by SS Staff Sergeant Moll (who had been in charge of the
> agricultural nursery at Raisko) was assigned to dig up the buried
> corpses and burn them. This was done on an open fire. The most
> unbelievable stories were told about this procedure. West German
> television even broadcast a film of this which was supposedly made in
> secret by an SS man."
>
> As Wiesel continues his story, he is saved by nothing short of a
> miracle:
>
> "Our line had now only fifteen paces to go. I bit my lips so that my
> father would not hear my teeth chattering. Ten steps still. Eight.
> Seven. We marched slowly on as though following a hearse at our own
> funeral. Four more steps. Three steps. There it was now, right in
> front of us, the pit and its flames. I gathered all that was left of
> my strength, so that I could break the ranks and throw myself upon the
> barbed wire. In the depth of my heart I bade farewell to my father, to
> the whole universe; and, in spite of myself, the words formed
> themselves and issued a whisper from my lips: Yitgadal veyitkadach
> shmé raba. May His name be blessed and magnified.. My heart was
> bursting. The moment had come. I was face to face with the Angel of
> Death. No. Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left
> and made to go into our barracks."
>
> Mr. Wiesel's lies are many and varied. When writing about the
> slaughter at Babi Yar, he wrote:
>
> "Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground
> never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood
> spurted from it."
>
> He claimed that they killed 10,000 Jews a day at Buchenwald but some
> how, miraculously, he was always spared. Is it likely that one 15 year
> old boy could survive not one, but three concentration camps whose
> entire raison d'etre was to kill as many Jews as possible?
>
> It has been said that Elie Wiesel "is the Holocaust," and yet when he
> wrote his autobiographical novel, Night there is no mention of gas
> chambers. He has been caught in lie after lie and yet to this day he
> holds to his story in spite of a great deal of evidence that he has
> been less than truthful.
>
> In an account of Wiesel's time at Auschwitz, he claims that, while
> working, he injured his foot and had to spend some time in the camp
> infirmary. Of course, this begs the question as to why a camp which
> was built, ostensibly, to annihilate Jews would even have an
> infirmary. Does it make any sense that a place built for the sole
> purpose of killing Jews on a large scale would bother having an
> infirmary staffed with doctors and nurses? And if Wiesel, then a 15
> year old boy with an injured foot, could not even work, why would they
> not just kill him on the spot?
>
> What really convinced me that Wiesel is a liar is that, as the Russian
> army approached Auschwitz and liberation was on the horizon, why, when
> given the chance of remaining in the camp to be freed by the Soviets
> or to evacuate with the Germans, Wiesel decided, along with about
> 20,000 other survivors, to leave with the Germans? In light of what we
> have been taught about the Holocaust, why would someone leave with his
> tormentors, who, he claimed, were depraved mass murderers, instead of
> waiting for his liberators?
>
> It makes no sense whatsoever to rational people and it is to his
> eternal shame that Wiesel has been one of the worst offenders when it
> comes to selling Holocaust lies to an unsuspecting public, even
> winning the Nobel Peace Prize in the process. When President Jimmy
> Carter needed to choose someone to take charge of the President's
> Commission on the Holocaust he chose an unapologetic liar, Elie
> Wiesel.
>
> A few weeks back, I watched the Oprah Winfrey show in which she
> escorted Mr. Wiesel around the grounds of Auschwitz. He showed great
> humility as he walked with Ms. Winfrey through the camp where he had
> been interned as a child, a performance which should be considered for
> an Academy Award in the category of keeping a poker face while
> continuing to recite the same old lies.
>
> Mr. Wiesel should be ashamed of himself.
>
> Our second liar is none other than Nazi-hunter extraordinaire, Simon
> Wiesenthal, who devoted his post war life to hunting down Nazi war
> criminals. According to Mark Webber, of the Institute For Historical
> Review:
>
> "Wiesenthal's reputation as a moral authority is undeserved. The man
> whom The Washington Post has called the "Holocaust's Avenging Angel"
> has a little known but well-documented record of reckless disregard
> for truth. He has lied about his own wartime experiences,
> misrepresented his postwar "Nazi-hunting" achievements, and has spread
> vile falsehoods about alleged German atrocities."
>
> It is unclear what exactly happened during Wiesenthal's war years,
> since he has said various things at various times that are completely
> at odds with one another. There were accusations that he was, at one
> time, a Communist fighter, and still others that he was a Nazi
> collaborator, an accusation leveled against him by Austrian Chancellor
> Bruno Kreisky, who said:
>
> "I really know Mr. Wiesenthal only from secret reports, and they are
> bad, very nasty. I say this as Federal Chancellor ... And I say that
> Mr. Wiesenthal had a different relationship with the Gestapo than I
> did. Yes, and this can be proven. I can't say more [now]. Everything
> else, I'll say in court.
>
> My relationship with the Gestapo is unambiguous. I was their prisoner,
> their inmate, and I was interrogated. His relationship was a different
> one, I can say, and this will come out clearly. It's bad enough what
> I've already said here. But he can't clear himself by charging me with
> defaming his honor in the press, as he might wish. It's not that
> simple, because that would mean a big court case ... A man like this
> doesn't have the right to pretend to be a moral authority. That's what
> I say. He doesn't have the right ...
>
> Whether a man who, in my view, is an agent, yes, that's right, and who
> uses Mafia methods ...
>
> Such a man has to go....
>
> He is no gentleman, and I would say, to make this clear, so that he
> won't become a moral authority, because he is not ... He shouldn't
> pretend to be a moral authority ...
>
> I say that Mr. Wiesenthal lived in that time in the Nazi sphere of
> influence without being persecuted. Right? And he lived openly without
> being persecuted, right? Is that clear? And you perhaps know, if you
> know what was going on, that no one could risk that.
>
> He wasn't a "submarine" ... that is, submerged and in hiding, but
> instead, he was completely in the open without having to, well, ever
> risk persecution. I think that's enough. There were so many
> opportunities to be an agent. He didn't have to be a Gestapo agent.
> There were many other services."
>
> Before Wiesenthal became famous for being a "Nazi hunter," he had
> already made a name for himself spreading Holocaust propaganda,
> including the famous claim of Jewish fat being rendered and made into
> soap which was later proven to be a complete fabrication.
>
> In 1946, he published a book in which he included what he purported to
> be his own original sketches of the horrors going on in Mauthausen
> concentration camp. One of the drawings was of three inmates, tied to
> a post who had been murdered by the Germans. Unfortunately for Mr.
> Wiesenthal, this was soon exposed as a fraud, since the original
> drawing was an actual photograph of three German soldiers who had been
> executed by firing squad for spying and was found in a 1945 edition of
> Life Magazine.
>
> "The irresponsible character of this book is also shown by
> Wiesenthal's extensive citation therein of the supposed "death bed
> confession" of Mauthausen Commandant Franz Ziereis, according to which
> four million were gassed to death with carbon monoxide at the nearby
> Hartheim satellite camp. This claim is totally absurd, and no serious
> Holocaust historian still accepts it. Also according to the Ziereis
> "confession" cited by Wiesenthal, the Germans supposedly killed
> another ten million people in Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. In fact,
> this fraudulent "confession" was obtained by torture.
>
> Years later, Wiesenthal was still lying about Mauthausen. In a 1983
> interview with the daily newspaper USA Today, he said of his
> experience in Mauthausen: "I was one of 34 prisoners alive out of
> 150,000 who had been put there. "This is a blatant falsehood. The
> years have apparently not been kind to Wiesenthal's memory, because in
> his own autobiography he wrote that "almost 3,000 prisoners died in
> Mauthausen after the Americans liberated us on May 5, 1945."
>
> Another former inmate, Evelyn Le Chene, reported in her standard work
> about Mauthausen that there were 64,000 inmates in the camp when it
> was liberated in May 1945. And according to the Encyclopaedia Judaica,
> at least 212,000 inmates survived internment in the Mauthausen camp
> complex."
>
> Wiesenthal's lies continued with his outrageous claims that millions
> of Jews were killed in "electrocution showers," something that has
> since been completely debunked by historians. In 1975 and again in
> 1993, Weisenthal confessed that there were no extermination camps on
> German soil.
>
> "He thus implicitly conceded that the claims made at the postwar
> Nuremberg Tribunal and elsewhere that Buchenwald, Dachau and other
> camps in Germany proper were "extermination camps" are not true."
>
> Wiesenthal lied yet again when he claimed that he was responsible for
> the capture and trial of Adolph Eichmann and because of his
> machinations, an innocent man by the name of Frank Walus was smeared
> and denounced (falsely) by Wiesenthal as being a Nazi war criminal.
>
> "It was only after an exhausting legal battle that the man who was
> vilified and physically attacked as "the butcher of Kielce" was
> finally able to prove that he had spent the war years as a peaceful
> farm laborer in Germany. Frank Walus died in August 1994, a broken and
> bitterly disappointed man. Wiesenthal's recklessness in the Walus case
> should have been enough to permanently discredit him as a reliable
> investigator. But his Teflon reputation survived even this."
>
> Wiesenthal kept the world enthralled with his hunt for the infamous
> "Angel of Death," Dr. Josef Mengele who Weisenthal claimed had been
> sighted in various Latin-American countries. He played the role of
> "Nazi crime sleuth" with a vengeance, ultimately damaging his
> credibility with his outrageous claims.
>
> Wiesenthal was paid $75,000 annually for the use of his name at the
> Los Angeles Wiesenthal Centre and has been criticized widely for the
> commercializtion of the Holocaust. The director of Israels Yad Vashem
> Holocaust Centre said that: "Both the Center and Wiesenthal
> "commercialize" and "trivialize" the Holocaust."
>
> It was Simon Wiesenthal who gave us the 11 million figure for the
> Holocaust, comprising 6 million Jews and another 5 million non-Jews.
>
> "Wiesenthal "threw out" the figure of "11 million who were murdered in
> the Holocaust -- six million Jews and five million non-Jews," said the
> Yad Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal
> replied: "The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention
> their victims, too." Wiesenthal "chose 'five million (gentiles)'
> because he wanted a 'diplomatic' number, one that told of a large
> number of gentile victims but in no way was larger than that of Jews
> ..."
>
> Towards the end of his life, Wiesenthal became disturbed by the claims
> made by "historical revisionists" and was particularly incensed by the
> work of David Duke. I'm sure that's understandable in light of the
> fact that Wiesenthal was an adept and convincing liar and greatly
> feared having those lies exposed.
>
> What is particularly telling is that Simon Wiesenthal attempted
> suicide twice while in a concentration camp and both times he was
> taken to the infirmary to be nursed back to health. Surely such a
> thing would never happen in a place dedicated to exterminating every
> Jew in Europe.
>
> These two men, Wiesel and Wiesenthal, have come to represent the
> Holocaust. Mr. Wiesel is the consummate victim, the self-appointed
> guru of pathos and martyrdom, telling lies and fabricating aspects of
> the Holocaust in order to garner sympathy. Mr. Wiesenthal devoted his
> life to tracking down Nazi war criminals, seeking self-aggrandizement
> in the process, perhaps also trying to run from his troubling and
> largely fabricated past.
>
> These two men will go down in history as heroes, most likely, unless
> they are exposed, and rightly so, as charlatans and liars.
>
> Because that's what they are.

ELIE WIESENTHAL  was a Gestapo agent who sent dozens of Bukovina partizans 
to the gallows. If he ever crossed the border into the Soviet Union he would 
have been hung on the spot!
>
> Daniel
> http://toutsaufsarkozy.com/ 




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Three Texas surgeons were playing golf together and
>>> discussing Surgeries they had performed.
>>>
>>> One of them said, "I'm the best surgeon in Texas. A
>>> concert pianist lost
>>> 7 fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8
>>> months later he performed a private concert for the
>>> Queen of England."
>>>
>>> One of the others said, "That's nothing. A young man
>>> lost both arms and legs in an accident, I reattached
>>> them, and 2 years later he won a gold medal in field
>>> events in the Olympics."
>>>
>>> The third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs.
>>> Several years ago a cowboy who was high on cocaine and
>>> alcohol rode a horse head-on into a train traveling 80
>>> miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the
>>> Horse's ass and a cowboy hat.
>>>
>>> Now he's president of the United States 




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"Richard H. Shulman"  wrote in message 
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> Venceremos reported a skinhead attack on some black servicemen.  He
> did not attribute that violent bigotry to Judaism.  There are half a
> dozen people who regularly blame everything on the Jews.  This report
> seems to acknowledge an evil impulse not prompted by Judaism.  Indeed,
> Jews sometimes are the victims of skinhead attacks.  Evil people are
> drawn to attack Jews, not the reverse.

I do not care who is being attacked, because of his or her race or religion 
that is a crime and should be severally punished 




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Three Texas surgeons were playing golf together and
>>> discussing Surgeries they had performed.
>>>
>>> One of them said, "I'm the best surgeon in Texas. A
>>> concert pianist lost
>>> 7 fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8
>>> months later he performed a private concert for the
>>> Queen of England."
>>>
>>> One of the others said, "That's nothing. A young man
>>> lost both arms and legs in an accident, I reattached
>>> them, and 2 years later he won a gold medal in field
>>> events in the Olympics."
>>>
>>> The third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs.
>>> Several years ago a cowboy who was high on cocaine and
>>> alcohol rode a horse head-on into a train traveling 80
>>> miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the
>>> Horse's ass and a cowboy hat.
>>>
>>> Now he's president of the United States 




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> Who do you mean by "us", StriderCabal?  Serbians?

ARSEHOLE, I AM A BETTER AMERICAN THAN YOU WILL EVER BE, SCUM! 




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Three Texas surgeons were playing golf together and
>>> discussing Surgeries they had performed.
>>>
>>> One of them said, "I'm the best surgeon in Texas. A
>>> concert pianist lost
>>> 7 fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8
>>> months later he performed a private concert for the
>>> Queen of England."
>>>
>>> One of the others said, "That's nothing. A young man
>>> lost both arms and legs in an accident, I reattached
>>> them, and 2 years later he won a gold medal in field
>>> events in the Olympics."
>>>
>>> The third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs.
>>> Several years ago a cowboy who was high on cocaine and
>>> alcohol rode a horse head-on into a train traveling 80
>>> miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the
>>> Horse's ass and a cowboy hat.
>>>
>>> Now he's president of the United States 




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Three Texas surgeons were playing golf together and
>>> discussing Surgeries they had performed. One of them said, "I'm the best 
>>> surgeon in Texas. A concert pianist lost 7 fingers in an accident, I 
>>> reattached them, and 8 months later he performed a private concert for 
>>> the Queen of England." One of the others said, "That's nothing. A young 
>>> man lost both arms and legs in an accident, I reattached them, and 2 
>>> years later he won a gold medal in field events in the Olympics." The 
>>> third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs. Several years ago a cowboy 
>>> who was high on cocaine and alcohol rode a horse head-on into a train 
>>> traveling 80 miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the Horse's 
>>> ass and a cowboy hat. Now he's president of the United States 




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> Extremely little, since the only two current methods which have any
> value for tracing long-term lineages (Mitochondrial DNA and
> Y-Chromosome DNA) each provide information about only one out of 1024
> ancestor slots at the tenth ascending generation, provide information
> about only one out of 1,048,576 ancestor slots at the twentieth
> ascending generation, and provide information about only one out of
> 1,073,741,824 ancestor slots at the thirtieth ascending generation.
> In other words, in the thirtieth generation of one's ancestors (who
> only lived about a thousand years ago, much more recently than the
> ancient Israelites), you have 1,073,741,824 ancestor slots, and
> Mitochondrial DNA analysis tells you something about exactly and only
> one (1) of these slots, while Y-Chromosome DNA analysis tells you
> something about another one (1) of those slots, but neither method
> provides any information whatsoever about who filled the remaining
> 1,073,741,822 slots.
>
> This means that at the thirtieth generation (less than half of the way
> to ancient Israelites), DNA analysis only provides information about
> 2/1,073,741,824 of ancestor slots, or 0.00000019% of them.  It's hard
> to "prove" anything very conclusively with only 0.00000019% of the
> necessary information.
>
Besides it proves that Arab jews, Arabs  and some Iraqis have identical DNA 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 16, 8:23 pm, AnonMoos  wrote:
>> Extremely little, since the only two current methods which have any
>> value for tracing long-term lineages (Mitochondrial DNA and
>> Y-Chromosome DNA) each provide information about only one out of 1024
>> ancestor slots at the tenth ascending generation, provide information
>> about only one out of 1,048,576 ancestor slots at the twentieth
>> ascending generation, and provide information about only one out of
>> 1,073,741,824 ancestor slots at the thirtieth ascending generation.
>> In other words, in the thirtieth generation of one's ancestors (who
>> only lived about a thousand years ago, much more recently than the
>> ancient Israelites), you have 1,073,741,824 ancestor slots, and
>> Mitochondrial DNA analysis tells you something about exactly and only
>> one (1) of these slots, while Y-Chromosome DNA analysis tells you
>> something about another one (1) of those slots, but neither method
>> provides any information whatsoever about who filled the remaining
>> 1,073,741,822 slots.
>>
>> This means that at the thirtieth generation (less than half of the way
>> to ancient Israelites), DNA analysis only provides information about
>> 2/1,073,741,824 of ancestor slots, or 0.00000019% of them.  It's hard
>> to "prove" anything very conclusively with only 0.00000019% of the
>> necessary information.
>>
 >
>
> Ssssshhh, Moos, after all, Alex thinks the existence of DNA is a
> Zionist conspiracy!!  :-)
SH! ALEX DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER! 




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Today we received a disturbing report from the Middle East that Israel is 
doing the same thing with Palestinian youths that they routinely arrest and 
kill at their detention camps. The Tehran Times published today a report 
alleging that Israel has tacitly admitted that doctors at the Israeli 
forensic institute at Abu Kabir had extracted the vital organs of three 
Palestinian teenage children killed by the Israeli Army nearly ten days ago. 
The report says that the Israeli Minister of Health, Nessim Dahhan, tacitly 
admitted to the horrific practice in an answer to Arab member of the Knesset 
Ahmed Teibi. Nessim Dahhan said in response to a question by Ahmed Teibi, on 
Tuesday, that he couldn't deny that organs of Palestinian youths and 
children killed by the Israeli forces were taken out for transplants or 
scientific research. Ahmed Teibi, according to the report, had received 
credible evidence proving that Israeli doctors at the forensic institute 
extracted such vital organs as the heart, kidneys,and liver from the bodies 
of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli Army in Gaza and 
the West Bank.

The report explains that the Israeli Army killed three Palestinian boys, 
ages 14-15 near Khan Younison on December 30, 2001. The army issued 
conflicting reports on the killing, while Palestinian sources charged that 
Israeli troops murdered the three unarmed boys in cold blood. The bodies of 
the three boys were handed over to the Palestinians for burial on January 6, 
however, shortly before burial, Palestinian medical authorities examined the 
bodies and found out that the main vital organs were missing from the 
bodies.

La Voz de Aztlan believes that the harvesting by Israel of organs and 
tissues from dead Palestinian youths for transplants and research is a very 
distinct possibility that should be investigated by the World Organization 
Against Torture in Geneva as well as by United Nations agencies concerned 
with the well being of children. The harvesting of Palestinian organs may be 
related to the clandestine research being conducted at the super secret 
biological laboratory at Nes Ziona, Israel that is located near the MOSSAD 
headquarters in Tel-Aviv.

On November 15, 1998, the much respected London Sunday Times reported on the 
work at Nes Ziona to develop ethnically specific bio-weapons that would 
target Arab populations. The report quoted Dr. Vivienne Nathanson, British 
Medical Association Head of Health Policy Research warning that "gene 
therapy" might possibly be turned into "gene weapons" that could potentially 
be used to target certain gene groups possessed by certain groups of 
peoples. Dr. Nathanson warned that such weapons could be delivered to humans 
not only in the anticipated forms such as gas and aerosol but also might be 
introduced into water supplies. Backing off of any suggestion that such 
weapons might be capable of eliminating the majority of the world's 
population all at once, Dr. Nathanson suggested that the weapons might be 
used not only to induce death but to cause sterility and deformed births in 
the targeted groups. The result would be a slow but certain insidious 
genocide that would be virtually undetectable.

Attempting to engineer deadly micro-organisms that only attack DNA within 
the cells of victims with distinctive Arab genes is diabolical and demonic 
and should be opposed by the entire world because today the target group 
might be Arabs but tomorrow the target groups may include Afro-Americans, 
Mexicans and other people of color.




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            EXCLUSIVE: An Inside Look at How U.S. Interrogators Destroyed 
the Mind of Jose Padilla

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            In a Democracy Now! national broadcast exclusive, forensic 
psychiatrist Dr. Angela Hegarty speaks for the first time about her 
experience interviewing Jose Padilla for 22 hours to determine the state of 
his mental health. Padilla is the U.S. citizen who was classified by 
President Bush as an enemy combatant and held in extreme isolation at a 
naval brig in South Carolina for over three-and-a-half years. His case is 
now before a Florida jury. "What happened at the brig was essentially the 
destruction of a human being's mind," said Dr. Hegarty. "[Padilla's] 
personality was deconstructed and reformed." She said the effects of the 
extreme isolation on Padilla are consistent with brain damage. "I don't know 
if he's guilty or not of the charges that they brought against him," said 
Dr. Hegarty. "But, already - before he was ever found guilty - he's paid a 
tremendous price for his trip to the Middle East." [includes rush 
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            A jury began deliberations on Wednesday in Miami in the case of 
Jose Padilla, the Brooklyn-born man once accused by the Bush administration 
of plotting to set off a dirty bomb inside the United States.
            The FBI initially arrested him in Chicago in 2002 after he got 
off a plane from Europe. For a month he was held as a material witness. Then 
Attorney General John Ashcroft made a dramatic announcement - the U.S. 
government had disrupted an al-Qaeda plot to set off nuclear dirty bombs 
inside the United States. At the center of the plot, Ashcroft alleged, was 
Padilla.

            President Bush then classified Jose Padilla as an enemy 
combatant, stripping him of all his rights. He was transferred to a Navy 
brig in South Carolina where he was held in extreme isolation for forty 
three months.

            The Christian Science Monitor reported: "Padilla's cell measured 
nine feet by seven feet. The windows were covered over... He had no pillow. 
No sheet. No clock. No calendar. No radio. No television. No telephone 
calls. No visitors. Even Padilla's lawyer was prevented from seeing him for 
nearly two years."

            According to his attorneys, Padilla was routinely tortured in 
ways designed to cause pain, anguish, depression and ultimately the loss of 
will to live.

            His lawyers have claimed that Padilla was forced to take LSD and 
PCP to act as a sort of truth serum during his interrogations.

            Up until last year the Bush administration maintained it had the 
legal right to hold Padilla without charge forever. But when faced with a 
Supreme Court challenge, President Bush transferred Padila out of military 
custody to face criminal conspiracy charges.

            On January 3, 2006 the government charged him and two others 
with criminal conspiracy. The government claims Padilla, along with his 
mentor, Adham Amin Hassoun, and Hassoun's colleague, Kifah Wael Jayyousi, 
conspired to commit murder abroad and to provide material support toward 
that goal.

            Since May the men have been on trial in Miami. According to the 
Miami Herald, the overall case against Padilla is riddled with 
circumstantial evidence. Much of the case is built around an alleged form 
Padilla filled out to attend an al-Qaeda training camp.

            Prosecutors have no introduced no evidence of personal 
involvement by Padilla in planning or carrying out any violent acts. There 
is no mention of Padilla - plotting to set off a dirty bomb. Despite this, 
prosecutors are seeking a life sentence for Padilla.

            Questions have also been raised about whether Padilla was 
mentally fit to stand trial. His lawyers and family say he has become 
clearly mentally ill after being held in isolation.

            Today, we are joined by one of the few medical experts who has 
spent time with Padilla since his arrest five years ago. Forensic 
psychiatrist Dr. Angela Hegarty spent 22 hours interviewing Padilla last 
year to determine the state of his mental health. She concluded that Padilla 
lacked the capacity to assist in his own defense. Dr. Angela Hegarty is 
assistant professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University.


              a.. Dr. Angela Hegarty, forensic psychiatrist who spent 22 
hours interviewing Jose Padilla last year. She is an assistant professor of 
clinical psychiatry at Columbia University.

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            JUAN GONZALEZ: A jury began deliberations on Wednesday in Miami 
in the case of Jose Padilla, a Brooklyn-born man accused by the Bush 
administration of plotting to set off a dirty bomb inside the United States. 
The FBI initially arrested him secretly in Chicago in 2002, after he got off 
a plane from Europe. For a month he was held as a material witness. Then 
Attorney General John Ashcroft made a dramatic announcement: the US 
government had disrupted an al-Qaeda plot to set off nuclear dirty bombs 
inside the United States. At the center of the plot, Ashcroft alleged, was 
Padilla.

            AMY GOODMAN: President Bush then classified Jose Padilla as an 
enemy combatant, stripping him of all his rights. He was transferred to a 
Navy brig in South Carolina, where he was held in extreme isolation for 
forty-three months. The Christian Science Monitor reported: "Padilla's cell 
measured nine feet by seven feet. The windows were covered over... He had no 
pillow. No sheet. No clock. No calendar. No radio. No television. No 
telephone calls. No visitors. Even Padilla's lawyer was prevented from 
seeing him for nearly two years."

            JUAN GONZALEZ: According to his attorneys, Padilla was routinely 
tortured in ways designed to cause pain, anguish, depression and ultimately 
the loss of will to live. His lawyers have claimed that Padilla was forced 
to take LSD and PCP to act as sort of truth serums during his 
interrogations.

            Up until last year, the Bush administration maintained that it 
had the legal right to hold Padilla without charge forever, but when faced 
with a Supreme Court challenge, President Bush transferred Padilla out of 
military custody to face criminal charges.

            AMY GOODMAN: On January 3, 2006, the government charged him and 
two others with criminal conspiracy. The government claims Padilla, along 
with his mentor Adham Amin Hassoun and Hassoun's colleague Kifah Wael 
Jayyousi, conspired to commit murder abroad and to provide material support 
toward that goal. Since May, the men have been on trial in Miami.

            According to the Miami Herald, the overall case against Padilla 
is riddled with circumstantial evidence. Much of the case is built around an 
alleged form Padilla filled out to attend an al-Qaeda training camp. 
Prosecutors have introduced no evidence of personal involvement by Padilla 
in planning or carrying out any violent acts. There is no mention of Padilla 
plotting to set off a dirty bomb. Despite this, prosecutors are seeking a 
life sentence for Padilla.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: Questions have also been raised about whether 
Padilla was mentally fit to stand trial. His lawyers and family say he's 
become clearly mentally ill after being held in isolation for so long.

            Today, we're joined by one of the few medical experts who has 
spent time with Padilla since his arrest five years ago. Forensic 
psychiatrist Dr. Angela Hegarty spent twenty-two hours interviewing Padilla 
last year to determine the state of his mental health. She concluded that he 
lacked the capacity to assist in his own defense. Dr. Angela Hegarty is 
assistant profession of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University. She 
joins us today in our firehouse studio. Welcome to Democracy Now!

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Thank you.

            AMY GOODMAN: And thank you for joining us for this first 
national interview, broadcast interview, that you are doing. How did you get 
involved in Jose Padilla's case?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, his attorneys called me up. For many 
years, I have worked -- I had an interest in working with religious 
fundamentalists of all stripes, actually. And over the years, I had worked 
with lawyers in Miami, as well as elsewhere in the country, and I guess they 
heard about me that way. And they called me up, because essentially he 
wasn't really talking to them, and it was clear to them that something was 
very wrong, but they didn't know quite what it was at this point. And the 
initial goal was for me to come down and see if I could help build a rapport 
with him, help him really begin to act, you know, with his lawyers to 
advocate for himself to help them defend his case. He wasn't doing that. And 
so, I came down to spend some time with him.

            AMY GOODMAN: And what did you find? Where did you first meet 
Jose Padilla?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, I first met Mr. Padilla in the Miami 
detention center, where he is held under special conditions in a conference 
room with a double mirror. And we spent twenty-two hours in that room 
together.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: And how did he react to you initially, because 
obviously after being in isolation and then with -- he has not had a good 
relationship with his lawyers, as I understand, for quite a while, but how 
did he react to you?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, he really didn't want to talk to a 
psychiatrist at all. He didn't want to be evaluated at all. He was 
incredibly anxious. I remember the first day, after about the first hour, he 
smiled for a moment and said, you know, this really isn't as bad as he 
thought it would be. He obviously was very, very anxious.

            And in the course of the interview, he revealed to me that he 
essentially had been told that if he relayed any of what had happened to 
him, his experiences, people would quote/unquote "know he was crazy." And he 
was very upset by this and very disturbed by it, and it's just that his 
level of being so disturbed suggested to me that there was something more, 
but, you know, asking further questions, he wouldn't reveal it to me.

            He was resentful of his lawyers. He had left the brig thinking 
he was about to be released. He told me that he had been given regular 
clothing and was actually surprised to find himself incarcerated. He was 
very angry at his lawyers that they hadn't gotten him out and that, in fact, 
his conditions in the Miami detention center under the special conditions in 
which he was held were actually somewhat more restrictive and more isolating 
than they had been in the later stages of his detention at the brig. So he 
was angry with them. He also felt that everything had been established, you 
know, that the government knew everything and that essentially they would --  
there was no need for him to be revealing things to his lawyers. And he was 
very uncomfortable.

            AMY GOODMAN: What was the effect of over three-and-a-half years 
of isolation on Jose Padilla?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: I think there's two things, really. Number 
one, his family, more than anything, and his friends, who had a chance to 
see him by the time I spoke with them, said he was changed. There was 
something wrong. There was something very "weird" -- was the word one of his 
siblings used -- something weird about him. There was something not right. 
He was a different man. And the second thing was his absolute state of 
terror, terror alternating with numbness, largely. It was as though the 
interrogators were in the room with us. He was like -- perhaps like a trauma 
victim who knew that they were going to be sent back to the person who hurt 
them and that he would, as I said earlier, he would subsequently pay a price 
if he revealed what happened. So I think those would be the two main things.

            Also he had developed, actually, a third thing. He had developed 
really a tremendous identification with the goals and interests of the 
government. I really considered a diagnosis of Stockholm syndrome. For 
example, at one point in the proceedings, his attorneys had, you know, done 
well at cross-examining an FBI agent, and instead of feeling happy about it 
like all the other defendants I've seen over the years, he was actually very 
angry with them. He was very angry that the civil proceedings were "unfair 
to the commander-in-chief," quote/unquote. And in fact, one of the things 
that happened that disturbed me particularly was when he saw his mother. He 
wanted her to contact President Bush to help him, help him out of his 
dilemma. He expected that the government might help him, if he was "good," 
quote/unquote.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: In the affidavit you submitted to the court 
summarizing your examination of him, you also talk about the things he did 
say that happened to him, the sleeping on a steel bed with no mattress for 
all that time that he was isolated?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Yes. In the darkness or in the light -- in 
the cells, the light would be all dark for a long time or all light for a 
long time. And for a very long part of his detention he had no mattress at 
all. And sometimes he would try to sleep on the pallet, if you will, the 
hard steel pallet, or other times he would be in essentially stress 
positions where he's got shackles and a belt and is in an awkward and 
uncomfortable position for long periods at a time.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: What other things did he say, tell you, were done 
to him?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, I think one of the things you have to 
realize is he was adamant that he would not reveal any quote/unquote 
"classified information." He in fact refused to provide a narrative of his 
account. He essentially -- on the second day, after spending four hours on 
the Monday and we developed some rapport, on the second day I brought him in 
a list of materials and interrogation tactics that had been already -- you 
know, they were in the public record. And I asked him just merely to say yes 
or no to some of these things. And this included slapping, exposure to heat 
or cold for long periods of time, forcible showering. He was terrified, 
actually, about being taken to a thing called the "cage." This was 
supposedly "recreation" -- I'd like to put that in quotes. He spoke about 
the lack of sleep, the relentless clicking and then banging of the doors of 
other cells that would wake him up.

            AMY GOODMAN: Explain that. Wasn't he alone in the Naval brig?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Yes, he was. In this very small cell, he was 
monitored twenty-four hours a day, and the doors were managed 
electronically. And between what Mr. Padilla told us and other sources, 
essentially it's possible to open and close these doors electronically. And 
he would hear the click of the door opening, which is a loud click that sort 
of echoed, and then a very loud bang over and over and over again for hours 
at a time, possibly days. He had no way of knowing the time. The light was 
always artificial. The windows were blackened. He had no calendar or time, 
as you mentioned earlier. He really didn't see people, especially in the 
beginning. He only had contact with his interrogators.

            AMY GOODMAN: Did he recognize you when you returned the next 
day?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Oh, yes. Yes, he did. But he did have some 
memory problems, in that by about the fourth day, I asked him, "Can you just 
give me" -- he had been very clear that there was a particularly bad time, 
and then there was a somewhat better time, and then after he had access to 
counsel things improved somewhat. And he really was unable to give me any 
kind of -- beyond the most broadest brush strokes, he was unable to put 
anything in any kind of a chronological narrative at all. He was very, what 
we would call it in psychiatry, "concrete." You would ask him, you know, how 
did you feel about something, or what have you, and he would generally 
resort to cliches. He seemed to have a great deal of difficulty recalling 
precise personal details about the interrogations or the experiences or 
particular incidents. He wouldn't know when they happened or how long they 
lasted, and so forth.

            AMY GOODMAN: Did you conclude he had been tortured?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, "torture," of course, is a legal term. 
However, as a clinician, I have worked with torture victims and, of course, 
abuse victims for a few decades now, actually. I think, from a clinical 
point of view, he was tortured.

            AMY GOODMAN: We're going to break, and then we're going to come 
back. We're talking to Dr. Angela Hegarty, a forensic psychiatrist, spent 
twenty-two hours interviewing Jose Padilla last year, assistant professor of 
clinical psychiatry at Columbia University. This is the first time she is 
speaking out on a national broadcast about her assessment of Jose Padilla. 
His case is now before a jury in Florida. Stay with us.

            [break]

            AMY GOODMAN: Our guest is Dr. Angela Hegarty, forensic 
psychiatrist who spent more than twenty-two hours interviewing Jose Padilla 
last year. She's an assistant professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia 
University. Jose Padilla's case is before a Florida jury right now. Juan?

            JUAN GONZALEZ: Yeah, I'd like to ask you about some of the 
assessments by folks other than you in his case. I understand there was a 
Bureau of Prisons medical person who interviewed him and also concluded that 
he had mental problems, but that they really were not severe. And I think 
the judge, as well, in the case at one point acknowledged that he had some 
mental problems, but said that they should not be considered, the causes of 
them, as part of the process of the trial. Your sense of some of these other 
assessments?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Certainly. Well, first of all, there's a big 
distinction between the diagnosis of a psychiatric or mental illness, on the 
one hand, and finding of legal incapacity to proceed with trial. That's a 
legal term, and there are legal standards based on case law. And, of course, 
the judge relied on the legal standards and concluded that the defense had 
not met its burden in proving that he lacked capacity.

            Now, of course, each interview that different people have is 
incredibly sensitive to a number of factors: the context, who the person is, 
their style, their interviewing techniques, their experience, and also, most 
importantly, who they are to the interviewee or the defendant, in this case. 
And, of course, from reading Dr. Buigas's report it's clear that -- 

            JUAN GONZALEZ: He's from the Bureau of Prisons.

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: That's right. It was clear that he saw 
perhaps a different side of the defendant. Perhaps the defendant, Mr. 
Padilla, reacted somewhat differently to him. He was a government doctor. 
Dr. Buigas actually interviewed him in his own office, whereas defense 
experts had to use this conference room with the double mirror. So the whole 
interview occurred in a very different context. And that's why we have 
adversarial hearings, where one group of experts will go and put their case 
and then the other group of experts, and then the finder of fact or the 
judge, in this case, decides.

            But, yes, he agreed that he did have some psychiatric or 
psychological problems, but that they weren't as severe as those the defense 
had seen. Part of the problem, though, with that -- and I want to add 
this -- is that Mr. Padilla was really very reluctant to cooperate. In fact, 
he refused to finish the psychological testing that I was administering and 
also what Dr. Zapf administered, because -- so essentially he wasn't exactly 
the easiest person to elicit the kind of clinical information we need.

            AMY GOODMAN: What about the findings that he was, well, the 
equivalent, after his experience of three-and-a-half years in severe 
isolation and what happened to him during that period, of brain-damaged?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, during my time with him, some of his 
reasoning seemed somewhat impaired, some of his thinking seemed impaired, 
his memory certainly, his ability to pay attention seemed very impaired. I 
developed a differential diagnosis from this: severe anxiety. Post-traumatic 
stress disorder can do that. But also, we know from really basic 
neuroscience studies that extreme isolation for prolonged periods of time --  
and I'm talking, you know, the studies are on maybe days or weeks, and he 
had extreme isolation for years -- really do, in fact, impair higher brain 
function. And I recommended that we get some neuropsychological testing. 
And, unfortunately, he wasn't able to fully cooperate with that. However, 
the testing we did do was consistent with brain damage, yes.

            AMY GOODMAN: Brain damage.

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Yes.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: And have you dealt with someone who had been in 
isolation for such a long period of time before?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: No. This was the first time I ever met 
anybody who had been isolated for such an extraordinarily long period of 
time. I mean, the sensory deprivation studies, for example, tell us that 
without sleep, especially, people will develop psychotic symptoms, 
hallucinations, panic attacks, depression, suicidality within days. And here 
we had a man who had been in this situation, utterly dependent on his 
interrogators, who didn't treat him all that nicely, for years. And apart 
>from -- the only people I ever met who had such a protracted experience were 
people who were in detention camps overseas, that would come close, but even 
then they weren't subjected to the sensory deprivation. So, yes, he was 
somewhat of a unique case in that regard.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: I'm thinking -- at one point in your affidavit, 
you talk about how he said that he felt at one point that a huge weight was 
crushing down on his chest. Did he -- 

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Yes.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: Explain that a little bit.

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, he thought he was having a heart 
attack, and he's a young, healthy man. Now, one possibility is, yes, he was 
having a heart attack. Certainly with the kind of adrenaline that would be 
surging through his body, whether from what we call internal stimuli --  
hallucinations, panic, paranoia, and so forth -- or as a result of what else 
was going on, it's not unreasonable. However, more likely, he also felt his 
life was slipping away, he was going to die, and this actually is almost a 
textbook description of a major panic attack, which, if anybody has had one, 
the word "panic" doesn't quite capture how terrible it is. You really feel 
like you're dying.

            And so, his perceptions of what was happening to him and 
himself, which is one of the most terrifying aspects, was really difficult 
to assess. For example, he reported very clearly that he had been given 
mind-altering drugs. And again, that is realistically, unfortunately, one 
serious hypothesis. However, another serious hypothesis -- 

            AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean? Given by who?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: By the government.

            AMY GOODMAN: Drugged.

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Drugged, yes. And clearly he had some 
terrible frightening experience to which he attributed these drugs. However, 
again, his -- given what sensory deprivation and isolation of this scale 
does, it's also entirely possible that he wasn't given drugs, and it's just 
the psychiatric effects of the isolation and the sensory deprivation, 
because the hallucinations can be incredibly vivid. People feel like they're 
losing their minds, that they're coming apart. It's absolutely terrifying.

            AMY GOODMAN: We're interviewing Dr. Angela Hegarty, who is a 
forensic psychiatrist who saw Jose Padilla for more than twenty-two hours. 
The new Army Field Manual bars the use of isolation to achieve psychological 
disorientation through sensory deprivation. The manual states, "Sensory 
deprivation may result in extreme anxiety, hallucinations, as well as 
bizarre thoughts, depression, anti-social behavior. Detainees will not be 
subject to sensory deprivation." But you say he was.

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Without question.

            AMY GOODMAN: How afraid was Jose Padilla?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: How to capture that in an apt metaphor? He 
was terrified. For him, the government was all-powerful. The government knew 
everything. The government knew everything that he was doing. His 
interrogators would find out every little detail that he revealed. And he 
would be punished for it.

            He was convinced that -- I mean, I think in words he endorsed --  
even if he won his case, he lost, because he was going back to the brig if 
he managed to prevail at trial. And essentially, if hypothetically one were 
to offer him a really long prison sentence versus -- with a guarantee that 
he wouldn't go back to the brig -- versus risking going back to the brig, 
the chance that he might go back to the brig, he would take the prison 
sentence for a very long period of time. I think he would take almost 
anything rather than go back to that brig.

            AMY GOODMAN: What happened in the brig?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: What happened at the brig was essentially 
the destruction of a human being's mind. That's what happened at the brig. 
His personality was deconstructed and reformed.

            And essentially, like many abuse victims, whether it's torture 
survivors or battered women or even children who are abused by parents, as 
long as the parents or the abuser is in control in their minds, essentially 
they identify with the primary aims of the abuser. And all abusers, whoever 
they are, have one absolute requirement, and that is that you keep their 
secret. I mean, it's common knowledge that people who abuse children or 
women will say, "Look at what you made me do," putting the blame on the 
victim, trying to instill guilt. "People will judge you. People will think 
you're crazy if you tell them about this. You will be an enemy. You will be 
seen as an enemy. You will be seen as a bad person if this comes out. There 
will be dire and terrible consequences, not only for you." Jose was very, 
very concerned that if torture allegations were made on his behalf, that 
somehow it would it interfere with the government's ability to detain people 
at Guantanamo, and this was something he couldn't sign onto. He was very 
identified with the goals of the government.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: Did he talk at all with you about his family and 
his concerns about what might happen to his family?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Yes. Essentially, when Mr. Padilla would 
talk about emotionally meaningful events or feelings, it would always be 
almost by accident. And he worried that his mother would be -- her life 
would be somehow derailed by this. He told people that his family had been 
threatened. His family was terrified. So, again, always the tip of the 
iceberg with Mr. Padilla. He was very afraid for his family.

            AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about the Jacoby statement, 
declaration, and why the Bush administration did not want him to see 
attorneys?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, there was a quote in the Jacoby 
declaration that caught my attention as a forensic psychiatrist. And that --  
essentially it says that the purpose of keeping Mr. Padilla isolated was to 
foster a sense of dependence on his interrogators and to essentially 
foreclose in his mind utterly any hope of rescue. And it makes reference to 
the fact that, given that people who have had contact with the criminal 
justice system will expect to see an attorney and be rescued by an attorney, 
they want to essentially disabuse him of the notion that he will ever be 
rescued. They want him to believe that he is in their power forever. And I 
believe, in a sense, they succeeded.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: What does all of this do to our notions or 
expectation of how the criminal justice system is supposed to operate in 
this country?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, essentially, based on the Jacoby 
memorandum, it's -- you know, almost it's a cultural cliche. You know, you 
have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used 
against you. You have the right to an attorney. Essentially, what happened 
to Mr. Padilla was designed to reassure him that this was not in fact the 
case. The things we take for granted as American citizens, that we will not 
get off a plane and be spirited away for years at the hands of harsh 
interrogators, that that can happen in America.

            And as a citizen myself, I find it very disturbing, especially 
in the light of the mistakes that have been made over the years. I recall a 
case of an attorney who was misidentified from the West Coast, and he had 
had a very tough experience as a result. And so, the possibility that an 
innocent -- that this could happen to an innocent person, a person perhaps 
who is merely known to somebody who themselves perhaps are being tortured --  
you know, their name might come up in such a circumstance -- could actually 
be spirited away and entirely deprived of their human rights, their rights 
as human beings, their ordinary dignity, is disturbing.

            AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Angela Hegarty, we are headed to San Francisco 
today. Today, tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday, Monday is the annual meeting of 
the American Psychological Association. You're a psychiatrist. But that's 
the group of 150,000 psychologists. And they are having a showdown right 
now. A vote will happen on Sunday, whether the APA will take a position 
against the involvement of its members, of psychologists, in coercive 
interrogations, in, what many psychologists are saying, torture. There is a 
massive protest taking place tomorrow at 4:00 outside the Moscone Center. 
There will be a track of debates inside the conference. Unfortunately, we 
wanted to record these debates, and the APA is now saying that there will be 
no video recording of discussions between the psychologists, public 
discussions, where military psychologists debate others around the issue of 
whether psychologists should be involved in these interrogations. What are 
your thoughts? And what position has your organization, the American 
Psychiatric Association, taken?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, the American Psychiatric Association 
principles of ethics essentially follow the AMA's, which is -- 

            AMY GOODMAN: American Medical Association.

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: American Medical Association, yes -- is, no 
psychiatrist is involved in torture ever under any circumstances. Period. 
Torture -- there is no caveat that opens up the possibility by mentioning 
the Bush administration's qualifications on the definition of "torture."

            That the psychologists are protesting and debating this is great 
news. Clinicians -- our entire professional identity is clinicians. And if 
psychologists -- psychologists certainly see themselves as clinicians, 
people who care for people. Our entire professional identity as people who 
help people is obviated by such involvement. And I entirely disagree with 
any caveat that would allow a clinician to be involved in torture at any 
time.

            AMY GOODMAN: What about the argument that those who don't want 
the moratorium are making, and especially high-level staff of the American 
Psychological Association, that for psychologists to be there is to bring 
ethics to the situation, to explain what is going too far?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Well, you know, I asked Mr. Padilla about 
that. He'd said that there were some decent people that he had come in 
contact with, you know, over the -- especially in the latter part of his 
stay at the brig. And I asked him, I said, "You know, if I were in a 
situation like this as a clinician and I abhor what's being done to you, 
would you want me to stay, knowing that there's somebody who cares about 
you, who's ideally, hopefully, ethical? Or would you -- albeit powerless --  
or would you want me to leave?" And he actually gave me one of the first and 
only immediate and straightforward and direct answers: he would want me to 
leave. He would not want me there, because for him my presence endorses what's 
going on, even though, as I said, in my scenario I would be powerless to do 
anything to change it.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: And did he talk about having interactions with 
medical people, either doctors, psychiatrists or psychologists, while in 
custody?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: No, he just mentioned staff, in general. He 
had some interactions with some kind of clinical staff around medication and 
evaluations, but it's unclear to me what their credentials were.

            AMY GOODMAN: So you don't know if psychiatrists or psychologists 
were involved.

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: Oh, I know that some mental health 
professionals were involved, but -- by the way this was designed -- the 
sensory deprivation, especially, the leaving and taking of stimuli from his 
environment. For example, there was a mirror that was there, and then that 
was taken away abruptly, or he'd have a pillow or a sheet or something that 
made him a little more comfortable, and that would be taken away. One of the 
things that came out in the course of my evaluation was, he was required to 
sign his name John Doe. This kind of thing and the whole notion of 
dependency and the cultivation of dependency, the impact of sleep 
deprivation, stress positions, all of that was so coordinated it's 
impossible for me to imagine that at least at some phase there wasn't some 
mental health professionals involved.

            JUAN GONZALEZ: And what was the reason for wanting to have him 
sign his name John Doe?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: He's no longer a person. He's no longer an 
individual. There will be no record that he was ever there, that the 
interrogators -- this is from my knowledge of torture around the world --  
that the interrogators essentially will be absolutely immune to any 
accountability.

            AMY GOODMAN: After having met with him for twenty-two hours, as 
we wrap up, Dr. Hegarty, your conclusions about his case, Jose Padilla's 
case, as it stands now before a jury in a Florida court?

            DR. ANGELA HEGARTY: You know, I don't know if he's guilty or not 
of the charges that they brought against him, but he has certainly paid --  
already, before he was ever found guilty, he has already paid a tremendous 
price for his trip to the Middle East.

            AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you for being with us, Dr. Angela 
Hegarty, forensic psychiatrist, assistant professor of clinical psychiatry 
at Columbia University, one of the forensic psychiatrists who met Jose 
Padilla, one of the very few, speaking out now for the first time. 
Twenty-two hours she interviewed him.

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http://imad_moustapha.blogs.com/ 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
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>
>> Shut the fuck up Dodie, you are just a shaboos goy,
>
> Pissed that America is helping our friend and ally?
>
Your friend, not mine 




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"CdA Wray"  wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:42:48 -0700, Venceremos 
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 16, 2:09 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Aviroce"  wrote in message
>
>>> Israel Invests in death.
>
>>> Shut up A virus.
>>Shut the fuck up Dodie, you are just a shaboos goy, they will throw
>>you by the curbside once they find out that you are a fascist Croat
>>called Ustasha!
>
> You are right Venceremos my brother, DuD is a pathetic, arselicking
> shabbos goy. My only difference is no Croat I know would associate
> with a race traitor like him.

I agree with you, great Croat like Tito would have shot him dead on the 
spot! 




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On Aug 17, 12:08 am, cactus  wrote:
> J Young wrote:
> > I've asked this question in the past and have yet to see a satisfactory
> > answer; what purpose is there in making a 92 year old man suffer for actions
> > that occurred during the course of a war that ended over 60 years ago? It's
> > time to bury the past once and for all. Leave this poor old man alone.
>
> There is no statute of limitations on murder. He murdered and lied about
> it. He gets what he deserves. No murderer should ever breathe free.

I KIND OF AGREE ON THAT. THEREFORE MANY THOUSANDS OF JEWS WHO
SLAUGHTERED RUSSIANS BETWEEN 1917 AND 1989, INCLUDING TOLIA SHARANSKY
AND HIS OLD MAN, SHOULD BE HUNG UNTIL DEAD!



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AMERICA SHOULD NEVER FORGET ABU GHRAIB, AND TORTURE, RAPE AND MURDER
OF A MILLION IRAQIS WHICH IS STILL GOING ON!



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 NAZI TROOPS WHO DESTROYED WARSAW GHETTO WERE ALL JEWS, FORMED AS
ORDNUNGSPOLIZEI SS. THERE WERE ABOUT 7,500 OF THEM IN THE UNIT AND
THEY WERE THE CRUELEST BUNCH OF BASTARDS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
READ ISRAEL SHAHAK FOR REFERENCE, HE WAS THERE!



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On Aug 17, 2:21 am, "Sanity's Little Helper" 
wrote:
> "J Young"  wrote innews:fa36j50324@news5.newsguy.comto alt.atheism:
>
>
>
> > I've asked this question in the past and have yet to see a
> > satisfactory answer; what purpose is there in making a 92 year old man
> > suffer for actions that occurred during the course of a war that ended
> > over 60 years ago? It's time to bury the past once and for all. Leave
> > this poor old man alone.
>
> In answer to your question: It's because there are too many people about
> who, apparently deliberately and out of sheer perversity, seek to
> overlook the lessons of those events and think it's cool (well, they
> surely can't think it's clever) to be racists and fascists.
>
> One of those lessons is the extent to which the Roman Catholic population
> of certain countries collaborated with the Nazis.

NOBODY COLLLABORATED MORE WITH THE NAZIS THAN THE JEWS DID
THGEMSELVES. 150,000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS ARMY, AND MANY THOUSANDS
SERVED IN ORDNUNGSPOLIZEI SS, MURDERING PEOPLE IN WARSAW AND
ELSEWHERE. READ ISRAEL SHAHAK IF YOU DO NOT BELI8EVE ME



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On Aug 17, 7:47 am, IAAH  wrote:
> raven1 wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 11:59 pm, "J Young"  wrote:
> >> I've asked this question in the past and have yet to see a satisfactory
> >> answer; what purpose is there in making a 92 year old man suffer for actions
> >> that occurred during the course of a war that ended over 60 years ago? It's
> >> time to bury the past once and for all. Leave this poor old man alone.
>
> > And we've attained a new low on alt.atheism, folks...
>
> > Racist homophobe "J. Young" is now acting as a Nazi apologist.
>
> Now? You must have missed the same sentiments that have
> come from him for over a year. Every time a Nazi is
> caught, he's all about forgiving them.
>
> > Shame on you!
YOU MEAN IT IS OK TO TORTURE RAPE AND MURDER IN IRAQ, BECAUSE "WE ARE
NOT NAZIS"?




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IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS! 




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"ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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> IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS!

To this day, many people, including myself, cite the Padilla case as the 
ultimate wake-up call to the true character, the genuine soul, of the Bush 
administration. Imprisoning a U.S. citizen, on U.S. soil, with no charges of 
any kind, and then keeping him for years completely incommunicado, is just 
one of those lines which many people believed would never be crossed in 
America.
That this bright line was crossed, and crossed so explicitly and with so 
little controversy, was an unmistakable sign of just how much of our 
national character was being eroded, just how limitless was the attack on 
our basic constitutional framework, just how profoundly our political press 
was failing. Today's verdict offers yet more evidence of just how 
unnecessary -- on top of illegal, unconstitutional and destructive -- the 
administration's behavior here was.



What was done to Padilla in order to force his "confession" can now be done 
to any one of us, anywhere in the US.
Torture has become embraced as a matter of fact and procedure by this 
government, with the power to inflict it at will.




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 wrote in message 
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> JEW ARE FOREVER CATHOLICS ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS ALWAYS TEMPORERY!

Translate that into English, please!
>
> On 16 Aug, 13:00, Venceremos  wrote:
>> Aug. 16, 2007 11:48 | Updated Aug. 16, 2007 11:50
>> Evangelical pastor told to leave Israel
>> By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
>>
>> An American evangelical pastor who has been living in Israel with his
>> family for nearly two decades has been ordered to leave the country
>> with his wife within two weeks after their request for permanent
>> residency was turned down, officials said Thursday.
>>
>> Ron Cantrell, 59, and his wife Carol, 54, ran a small Jerusalem-based
>> ministry 'Shalom Shalom Jerusalem' for the past four years, while
>> Cantrell previously worked for Bridges for Peace, an evangelical
>> organization, for 14 years.
>>
>> Two of the couple's children have married Israelis and have Israeli ID
>> cards.
>>
>> Interior Ministry officials said that the decision was made after
>> there were suspicions that Cantrell was involved in missionary work.
>>
>> Cantrell categorically denied the allegations of missionary work as
>> baseless.
>>
>> Cantrell, who has been active in raising money for Israel as well as
>> working on behalf of Soviet Jews, had resided in Israel on a special
>> clergy visa during his work for Bridges for Peace, but then went back
>> to a regular tourist visa that needed to be renewed every three or six
>> months, he said.
>>
>> The highly-coveted but sparsely-distributed clergy visa is primarily
>> given out to officials with mainstream Christian organizations.
>>
>> Cantrell, who travels extensively on lecture tours, could have
>> continued living in Israel if he left the country at least once every
>> three months, but said that was an "unworkable solution" for his wife.
>>
>> This week his appeal for permanent residency in Israel was turned down
>> by the Ministry of the Interior, and he and his wife were instructed
>> to leave the country within two weeks.
>>
>> Cantrell said that no reason was cited in the application denial.
>>
>> Interior Ministry spokeswoman Sabine Haddad said that the couple's
>> request to receive residency status, after residing in Israel for
>> years on various temporary permits, was brought before all the levels
>> in the ministry up to the acting head of the population authority, who
>> also served as the director general of the office.
>>
>> The request was turned down last month, she said.
>>
>> Interior Ministry officials said that according to information which
>> reached the ministry there were suspicions that Cantrell was involved
>> in missionary activity.
>>
>> The organization's web site says that the couple "encourages
>> Christians and Messianic Jewish believers in their understanding of
>> the prophetic Scriptures" and "encourages believers to participate in
>> God's end-time plans by being involved in positive support for the
>> nation of Israel and Jewish communities worldwide... in the
>> regathering of the Jewish people to their homeland."
>>
>> The issue underscored the delicate balancing act Evangelical Christian
>> supporters of Israel face when dealing with the Jewish State, which
>> bans proselytizing and their fundamental belief that the return of the
>> Jews to the Holy Land was foretold in the Scriptures and heralds the
>> return of the messiah.
>>
>> LINK
>
> 




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 wrote in message 
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> On Aug 16, 1:01 am, snakehawk  wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 10:09 pm, "mich"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "snakehawk"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:1187230750.790981.255470@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > On Aug 15, 7:26 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> > >> August 15, 2007
>>
>> > >> "No American President can stand up to Israel."
>>
>> > > No American who stands up to Israel can be elected president.  The
>> > > American public is too dimwitted to see the obvious. Every single one
>> > > of the announced candidates for both the Republican and Democratic
>> > > parties have already pledged their undying support for Israeli mass
>> > > murder
>>
>> > So how many people have been mass-murdered by Islamo-fascists today?
>>
>> Not a single one in the United States.  If there are any "Islamo-
>> fascists" who kill people in the United States they are simply
>> criminals who should be treated like criminals, i.e., they should be
>> arrested, given a fair trial, and punished if convicted.  We need a
>> president who embraces America's tradition of rule of law, and not
>> some Jew-loving cowboy who sends our young men thousand of miles
>> overseas to risk their lives to protect some murderous Jews who can
>> stay in their own country.
>>
>> Killing a lot of innocent people to avenge the crimes of a few is a
>> peculiarly Jewish concept.  We see it in Palestine daily.  We see it
>> coming from the Washington think tanks stacked with pseudo-
>> intellectual Jews.  We hear it from the Jewish talking heads on our
>> television screens, people like Kristol, and Krauthammer, and their
>> ilk.
>>
>> We hear it from AIPAC.  And, unfortunately, we hear it from the
>> grovelling candidates struggling to please their alien campaign
>> contributors.  And we hear it from people like you, Jews, people with
>> an alien ethic, a barbaric and foreign culture, simple-minded animals
>> who are unable to maintain a civilized community unless disciplined by
>> physical force.
>
> Interesting, but I haven't heard that President Bush sent troops to
> Israel - the US didn't even ssend troops when Iraq bombed Tel Aviv. If
> there is such a plan, I am dead set against it.
>
> I do remember a president sending troops to Lebanon, to protect the
> population, and ingratitude, some 200 US Marines were killed.

nobody wants u.s. troops anywhere, stick them up your arse! 




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"Don Ocean"  wrote in message 
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> Al Nakba wrote:
>> On Aug 16, 10:55 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> An immigration judge has ordered the deportation of a 91 year-old 
>>> retired
>>> factory worker because he lied about his part in the Nazi destruction of
>>> Warsaw's Jewish ghetto in 1943, federal prosecutors said Thursday.
>>>
>>> Justice Department prosecutors said he was recruited into a Nazi guard 
>>> unit
>>> and was on a Nazi roster as one of the officers leading "Trawniki men"
>>> deployed to help Nazi SS and police capture Jews in the Warsaw ghetto to 
>>> be
>>> removed to death camps.
>>>
>>> Zajanckauskas emigrated from Austria in 1950 and became a naturalized 
>>> U.S.
>>> citizen in 1956. Zajanckauskas said he never told immigration officials
>>> about his Trawniki service because it would jeopardize his chances of
>>> getting into the United States.
>>>
>>> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5059861.html
>>
>> In America, anyone who lies on their citizenship application can be
>> subject to deportation. Mr Z. should not complain. It is not as if
>> he's taking that walk down the himmelstrasse!
>
> I am not making excuses for him.. But there is a statute of limitations in 
> immigration laws. As long as he broke no laws for these many years.. he 
> should be home free. I am willing to bet that immigrations judge
> is a fucking Jew and can be readily overruled by even the most 
> prefuncterary appeal. Or did it pass over the head of an illegal like you 
> that several presidents granted mass immunity to millions of actual
> illegals. Capturing Jews during WWII was not a war crime either. If it 
> went beyond that.. Oh Well! I say lets keep the 91 year old man and make a 
> trade.. Deport the Judge and both of the Bush's! Maybe we should toss your 
> treasonous ass into the deal too.
>
Not only that, most of the members of the Ordnungspolizei SS, who took part 
in the Warsaw ghetto deportations were Jews. Many of them settled in USA and 
Israel, and nobody ever asks a Jew if he served in an Nazi outfit or not. 
For reference read Israel Shahak, he was in the Warsaw ghetto! 




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 The only reason why Palestinians are attacking Israelis is because they are 
fighting back agains the discrimination, hatred, torture, mistreatment, the 
Wall, destruction of their livelyhood etc. etc.

If ZioNazis really and truly wanted peace, they could offer peace! 




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IRAQIS DO NOT NEED HELP FROM ANYONE, THEY WILL GET RID OF THE OCCUPATION ALL 
BY THEMSELVES AND VERY SOON!

Hardly a day goes by when we don't hear that Iran is supplying sophisticated 
IEDs - improvised explosive devices - to Iraqi insurgents. No one doubts 
that the Iranian government is perfectly willing to do whatever they think 
will advance their interests, including arming and otherwise supporting 
their allies in Iraq, but the story has holes.

Most of the IEDs ascribed to Iran are deployed in areas controlled by their 
enemies, and while the primary targets are U.S. forces, many target Iraqi 
government forces as well, which is to say, Iran's allies. That doesn't make 
a great deal of sense in terms of Iranian self-interest. The ideal near term 
situation for Iran is probably one in which the Shiite-led Iraqi government 
consolidates power while insurgents continue to keep the U.S military, and 
U.S. officials, preoccupied to an extent that makes an attack on Iran even 
more stupid than it inherently is. Providing IEDs to Sunni and Baathist 
insurgents would do more harm than good, as would being definitively tied to 
attacks on U.S. troops.

More to the point, none of the sides in Iraq's war need help from Iran on 
IEDs. Making the devices that U.S. officials insist must be coming from Iran 
requires a design, a machine shop and machinists, and some very widely 
available materials (copper, pvc piping, garage door openers, etc). All of 
these things, including the design expertise, can be found in Iraq. Why? 
Because the oil industry is a large, long-time consumer of shaped charges 
similar to those now being used as roadside bombs in Iraq.

One reason the IEDs ascribed to Iran are usually referred to as 
"sophisticated" is that they're generally not cobbled together from the 
thousands of tons of Saddam-era munitions that the U.S. left unsecured 
during the invasion and early years of the occupation and that were the 
staple of previous roadside bomb incarnations; instead, they use efficient 
very high explosives (VHE) such as RDX.

The shaped charges used in oil wells, for instance, can require as little as 
an ounce of RDX to punch through the well shaft lining and the surrounding 
rock. As luck would have it, during the invasion the U.S. failed to secure 
about 350 tons of RDX - 700,000 pounds, 112,000,000 ounces - held under 
International Atomic Energy Agency seal, and it wandered off. Even with the 
exodus of engineering talent and the destruction of Iraq's infrastructure, 
it will be a rare Iraqi insurgent or terrorist leader who can't lay his 
hands on the people, equipment and explosives needed to manufacture a 
sophisticated homemade Iranian IED. (As a bonus, RDX-powered IEDs are 
considerably less dangerous in terms of workplace safety than the ones 
cobbled together from aging, free-range munitions.)

Is it possible that Iran is in fact providing bombs to insurgents? Sure: the 
U.S. may be generating far, far more than our fair share of national 
security stupidities these days, but we haven't completely cornered the 
market. If they are, though, we have no proof beyond a series of non 
sequiturs and the assertion that Iraqis, who had the technical expertise to 
build a nuclear reactor and the improvisational skills necessary to keep the 
country's infrastructure more or less functional during more than a decade 
of sanctions, are now incapable of building some relatively simple bombs. 
(BTC's Eric Brewer had some words about the "evidence" of Iranian 
involvement in the IED industry, here and here. )

The institutional press should be questioning the administration's 
assertions about Iran's role in roadside bombings. They should be asking 
whether these devices use RDX or any other VHE known to be floating around 
Iraq in quantity (the administration acknowledged in 2004 that the stolen 
RDX was being used in car bombs). They should be wondering why it is the 
administration thinks Iraqis are now too primitive to build these relatively 
simple devices when, only four years ago, these same people were the 
cleverest, most dire threat imaginable to our national security. They should 
be asking why the administration calls things that aren't proof, proof. 
These aren't conceptually complex questions, and arriving at them requires 
little effort: the use of shaped charges in oil industry applications is not 
a secret, nor is the availability of the construction materials, nor is the 
350 tons of missing RDX, nor is the administration's history of lying about 
what other countries are or aren't doing.

Putting those bits together oughtn't to be a challenge, and doing so would 
offer some reassurance that the press won't uniformly fold when the 
administration rolls out the attack on Iran promo in earnest; with enough 
congressional Democrats having apparently suspended disbelief on the matter 
of Iran to make legislative support for an attack at least possible, only 
the press and the native skepticism of Americans are left as obstacles.




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 17, 12:17 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>> ISLAM PROF IS 'ZION'-HEARTED
>> By CHUCK BENNETT and JOHN MAZOR
>> New York Post
>>
>> The new principal of the city's controversial Arabic-themed school is
>> an ardent Zionist who considered moving to Israel, according to her
>> former Jerusalem roommate.
>>
>> The latest revelation puts a strange twist on the saga of the Khalil
>> Gibran International Academy, the new city school that's been in the
>> cross hairs of critics since its inception.
>>
>> Interim Principal Danielle Salzberg, 35, hosted an orientation seminar
>> at the Brooklyn school yesterday for parents and students.
>>
>> It was her first full day on the job since the school's original
>> principal, Debbie Almontaser, a Muslim and Arabic-speaker, quit last
>> week. She had been caught up in a furor over her comments to The Post
>> downplaying the "Intifada NYC" T-shirts her organization was linked
>> to.
>>
>> Salzberg's former roommate Aliza Hemed described the new principal's
>> two passions in life as Israel and educating youngsters. And, in the
>> end, Salzberg chose teaching New York City's youth over life in the
>> Holy Land.
>>
>> "If anything, she was a Zionist. She had every intention to make
>> aliyah Hebrew for immigration to Israel and move there, but she came
>> back and fell in love with her students and the job," said Hemed.
>>
>> "Most American Orthodox Jews have a love of Israel - I'm sure it's
>> still in her."
>>
>> Salzberg first met Hemed as an undergrad at New York University. They
>> were both observant Orthodox Jews and Salzberg held leadership
>> positions with the school's Hillel, a Jewish group.
>>
>> Upon graduation in 1993, the two spent a year studying Hebrew and
>> Middle East politics at Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Salzberg
>> stayed away from political rallies and other activities, Hemed said.
>>
>> Then in 1994, they moved back to Manhattan where they shared an
>> apartment on the East Side for several years. Salzberg began work as a
>> teaching assistant in city schools while pursuing her master's degree
>> in education from Columbia University's Teachers College.
>>
>> "Her kids were her life. Every little progress they made she was so
>> proud of them," Hemed said.
>>
>> Salzberg, who had helped Almontaser develop the school's curriculum,
>> did not return requests for comment.
>>
>> The school's first sixth-grade class of 44 students is scheduled to
>> begin Sept. 4. Eventually, the school will expand to the 12th grade.
>>
>> While Salzberg is still technically an interim principal, a Department
>> of Education spokeswoman said the agency wants to install her
>> permanently.
>>
>> "I'm sorry the last woman didn't work out, but I think we're better
>> off going on and attacking the problem again and we've got the right
>> person this time," Mayor Bloomberg said.
>>
>> Still, Arab community activists said Monday evening during a meeting
>> at the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge that they will start a letter-
>> writing campaign to try and get Almontaser reinstated.
>>
>>     * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> *
>>
>> Action Alert:
>>
>> 1 - Write to Joel Klein, the NYC Department of Education Chancellor,
>> expressing your disgust at his department's decision
>>
>> Use this linkhttp://schools.nyc.gov/webforms/chancellormessage.aspx
>>
>> (FYI, Klein is the same person who banned the director of Columbia
>> University's Middle East Institute, Professor Rashid Khalidi, from
>> participating in a NYC school teachers' training on the Middle East
>> because of his criticism of Israel, and the one who approved a
>> curriculum that grants graduate credit to NYC teachers who take a 30-
>> hour course of study on Israel, written by the Israeli Consulate.
>>
>> 2- Call the NYC Department of Education and speak to the Chancellor
>> about it
>>
>> Tel No. (718) 935-2000
>>
>> 3- Most importantly, EMAIL & CALL DEBBIE ALMONTASER AND SHOW HER YOUR
>> SUPPORT
>>
>> Debbie contacts are:
>>
>> Email: njdsa...@aol.com
>> Phone: (001) 718-643-8000
>>
>> http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2007/08/new-york-city-school-occupied...
>
> Fuck that! Close the jihad school down and impeach that little twit of
> a mayor!
put all the jews in the auschwitz, sooner the better! 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 17, 3:47 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS!
>
> Especially for you, ALex, since you support everything Padilla did.

What did Padilla do? 




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 wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:14 -0400, "ElParedon" 
> wrote:
>
>>IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS!
>>
> Yeah it's time to start picking up you and your ilk.

PICK MY SHIT YOU FUCKING ZIONAZI BASTARD! 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 17, 12:39 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:5ilkr2F3q27d6U2@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> >A Palestinian from Ramallah turned an 18-year-old Israeli girl he met on
>> >the internet into his sex slave, Ynet reported on Friday.
>>
>> > A few months ago Tal (not her real name) met who she thought was her
>> > prince charming in an internet chat room. Following a brief period of
>> > online correspondence, the two met in person. The Palestinian took Tal 
>> > out
>> > to restaurants and showered her with gifts, and the unsuspecting 
>> > Israeli
>> > teen thought she had found the man of her dreams.
>> > Within a month of their first encounter she was already in love with 
>> > him,
>> > and did not hesitate for a second when he asked her to move into his 
>> > home
>> > in Ramallah. But shortly after the two began living together the man
>> > approached Tal and asked that she "comfort" a friend of his. She agreed 
>> > to
>> > sleep with the friend as a one-time gesture for her beloved boyfriend, 
>> > but
>> > was forced to have sex with others as time went by.
>>
>> JEWS SELL AND BUY RUSSIAN WOMEN FOR THEIR TELL AVIV BORDELLOS ALL THE 
>> TIME.
>> THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG WOMEN AND CHILDREN HELD AGAINST THEIR WILL 
>> IN
>> KIKELAND, AND YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ONE JEW WHORE WHO COULD HAVE WALKED
>> AWAY ANY TIME FROM HER SITUATION

SEX SLAVERY IN THE ZIONAZI ENCLAVE IS FAR MORE COMMON THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN 
THE WORLD 




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Bush Administration Pushed For Private Briefings For Petraeus, Dems Confirm
By Greg Sargent | bio
Amid a bitter skirmish between the White House and Dems yesterday over 
whether General Petraeus will testify publicly to Congress about Iraq, the 
Bush administration repeatedly claimed yesterday that the administration had 
never pushed for closed-door-only briefings for Petraeus.

But that claim is false, according to an on-the-record statement we've 
obtained from the office of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

Rather, the Bush administration did in fact push for limited private 
briefings for Petraus and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker, and even did so as 
far back as early July, according to the statement, which was provided to 
Election Central by Lynne Weille, the communications director for Foreign 
Affairs Committee chair Tom Lantos.

"Administration officials told senior Congressional staff in early July that 
they preferred to have Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus testify in 
closed session before the entire House of Representatives, rather than in 
open hearings," Weille said in the statement, which constitutes the first 
on-the-record assertion by Dems that this happened.

The statement is striking, because any White House bid to limit the briefing 
suggests that the administration may have wanted to prevent the public from 
hearing Petraeus' views of Iraq straight from him directly. Petraeus will 
also share his views via input he'll give on a written report, but that will 
be written by the White House.

What's more, the statement appears to directly contradict assertions made 
yesterday by administration spokesperson Gordon Johndroe. Asked yesterday if 
the White House had pushed for closed-door-only briefings, Johndroe said, 
"No, no."

The statement also suggests that the White House may have been trying to 
circumvent a key legal requirement that was written into the Iraq 
supplemental bill passed this spring with White House support -- i.e., that 
Petraeus and Crocker testify publicly.



The question of whether the administration wanted Petraeus to testify only 
privately emerged as a political flashpoint because Petraeus' testimony on 
Iraq this September will be central to the political showdown shaping up for 
this fall between the White House and Congressional Dems over Iraq.

At yesterday's White House press briefing, adminstration spokesperson Gordon 
Johndroe was quizzed about a report yesterday in The Washington Post citing 
anonymous Congressional officials asserting that the administration had 
asked for the closed-door briefing. In response, Johndroe claimed that the 
adminstration had always intended for Petraeus' testimony to be public. He 
was asked this question: "So the White House didn't, then, ask Congress, or 
suggest that he do limited testimony?" His reply: "No, no."

"I just don't think it's correct," Johndroe said of the WaPo report.

The White House spokesman added that it "has always been our intention" that 
Petraeus and Crocker testify openly. And he went on to accuse Dems who were 
critical yesterday of the move towards closed-door briefings as "trying to 
start a fight where there really isn't one, because [testifying openly] has 
always been the plan."

But this version of events is now being directly contradicted, on the 
record, by House Foreign Affairs Committee spokesperson Lynne Weille, who is 
confirming the WaPo version of events. Here's her full statement:

  Administration officials told senior Congressional staff in early July 
that they preferred to have Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus testify 
in closed session before the entire House of Representatives, rather than in 
open hearings. Chairman Lantos objected to this proposal in discussion with 
the appropriate Administration officials more than once. The Committee has 
requested that Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus testify in an open 
hearing before the report is delivered. We have just reiterated that 
request, and have not yet received an answer. The Committee has also 
requested testimony from Secretary Rice at a hearing tentatively scheduled 
for after the report's delivery.

According to this statement, then, adminstration officials did in fact say 
in July that they "preferred to have Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus 
testify in closed session before the entire House of Representatives, rather 
than in open hearings." And this was discussed "more than once."

Weille's statement is further bolstered by a report in Congressional 
Quarterly from last night saying that two key Senators in on the 
negotiations were surprised by the White House's denials and hadn't heard 
that the administration had agreed to open testimony.

Johndroe didn't immediately return a call for comment.


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The lost Padilla verdict
What should've gone on trial were the administration's tactics in detaining 
the one-time "dirty bomber" suspect.
By Stephen I. Vladeck
August 17, 2007


If there has been one common theme in the Bush administration's handling of 
the myriad legal challenges to its conduct of the "war on terrorism," it has 
been the government's tendency to change the playing field just when defeat 
seemed imminent. No case has better encapsulated this trend than that of 
onetime alleged "dirty bomber" Jose Padilla, who was convicted by a Miami 
federal jury Thursday on all three of the lesser terrorism charges against 
him.

Those verdicts are being called a vindication for the White House, but the 
real triumph came when the government succeeded in avoiding a decision on 
bigger, more crucial issues. That is the important Padilla precedent.

Padilla's saga began more than 63 months ago, when he was arrested at 
Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. Dubbed an "enemy combatant" by 
then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft, Padilla, a U.S. citizen, was transferred to a 
military brig and held without criminal charges in solitary confinement. He 
was allegedly mistreated -- and possibly even tortured -- by his captors.

Court-appointed lawyers filed suit on Padilla's behalf, arguing that the 
government either had to charge him with a crime or release him. When the 
case went to the Supreme Court the first time in June 2004, a 5-4 majority 
threw it out on a technicality, holding that Padilla had to sue in South 
Carolina (where he was then being held), rather than in New York (where he 
was initially confined). But the opinions filed that day and in the separate 
case of another detained U.S. citizen, Yaser Esam Hamdi, also made clear 
that at least five of the justices believed that Padilla's detention was 
unlawful; he just had to go through the right court first.

Padilla's lawyers did exactly that, and his case returned to the high court 
in the fall of 2005. Just days before the Justice Department was supposed to 
file its brief on the merits, however, it announced that it had indicted 
Padilla on lesser terrorism charges completely unrelated to the "dirty bomb" 
allegations and moved to dismiss the Supreme Court case because it had 
become moot.

The justices acquiesced, and Padilla was transferred to civilian authorities 
pending his trial. The specter of his military detention -- and the 
government's assertion that it could have held him forever without charge --  
at first lurked over the criminal proceedings. U.S. District Judge Marcia G. 
Cooke was adamant from the start, however, that the criminal trial wouldn't 
address it. Padilla sought to dismiss the criminal charges on the grounds 
that his right to a speedy trial had been violated and that the government's 
outrageous conduct warranted dismissal; Cooke denied both motions and barred 
both sides from mentioning Padilla's military detention at trial.

In retrospect, that was the critical moment in Padilla's case, no matter the 
verdict. It meant that the legality of Padilla's detention and treatment 
would be sidestepped completely, and the fundamental question of whether the 
government has the legal authority to detain U.S. citizens arrested within 
the United States without charges would be left unanswered, perhaps for all 
time.

The government's change-of-course tactic is hardly an isolated incident. 
Consider the case of Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen detained in Saudi 
Arabia who filed suit claiming that he was being tortured by Saudi 
authorities at the behest (and under the direction) of the U.S. government. 
When a federal judge in Washington ruled that the U.S. courts could consider 
the merits of Abu Ali's claims, he was transferred back to U.S. custody 
rather than allowing the suit to go forward, and he pleaded guilty to a 
battery of serious criminal charges.

That the government has changed course midstream in such cases is not 
necessarily to suggest that its actions are in bad faith, or that the 
defendants are not the "bad guys" that they have been made out to be. 
Rather, the more serious problem is with the process -- that the changes in 
tactics prevent the courts from directly resolving the legality of the 
policies initially challenged and from fulfilling their constitutional duty 
to "say what the law is."

In 1944, in the infamous Korematsu Supreme Court decision, which implicitly 
upheld Japanese American internment, the judicial system also failed to make 
a direct ruling in an important civil liberties case. In that instance, it 
was because the question under consideration didn't directly challenge the 
legality of the internment camps. The author of the dissent in that case, 
Justice Robert H. Jackson, saw the dangers of delivering a "non-decision 
decision" when it came to our fundamental rights: "The principle," he wrote 
in his dissent, "lies about like a loaded weapon ready for the hand of any 
authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need." As in 
Korematsu, Padilla's importance is in what it sanctions but did not decide: 
the government's confinement of U.S. citizens without charges.

Padilla's military detention and his treatment while detained may in fact 
have been unlawful. The Bush administration's real victory, then, was in 
preventing the courts from saying so. 




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 Russia delivers air defence units to Syria: Report
17 Aug 2007, 1407 hrs IST,AFP
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MOSCOW: Russia has begun delivery of modern air defence units to Syria while 
rejecting speculation that some of the weapons could be forwarded secretly 
to Iran, a newspaper reported on Friday.

"The first part of the delivery to Syria has started," the centrist daily 
Nezavissimaya Gazeta reported, quoting information from a domestic military 
information agency.

A spokesman for Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport, however, 
declined to comment on the newspaper report.

The report acknowledged that the delivery of the weapons, the Pantsyr-S1E 
self-propelled short-range missile air defence system, was particularly 
sensitive in light of Israeli claims last year that Russian arms sold to 
Syria had ended up in the hands of militant group Hezbollah.

Israel fought a brief war with Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon in July 2006 
and afterwards accused Russia of indirectly supplying Hezbollah with 
relatively sophisticated anti-tank weapons, an accusation Moscow denied.

Nezavissimaya Gazeta quoted an official involved in Russian arms export 
policy as describing concerns that Russian air defense weapons could be 
re-exported to Iran as "silly rumours".

"This is not possible," Vitaly Shlykov, a member of the state committee on 
foreign and defence policy, was quoted as saying. "One of the conditions for 
every deal is the prohibition on transfer of the weaponry to a third 
country."

Officially, the contract was for the sale of 50 Pantsyr units for about 900 
million dollars (670 million euros). Media reports have put the number of 
units sold to Syria at around 36.

In May, the London-based arms specialist magazine Jane's Defence Weekly 
reported that Syria had agreed to send Iran at least 10 of the Pantsyr 
units.

That report was categorically denied by a range of top Russian officials 
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Rest_of_World/Russia_delivers_air_defence_units_to_Syria_Report/articleshow/2287976.cms
Comment: This is old news, Pntsyr has been delivered to Syria about six 
months ago.





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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 17, 6:38 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in 
>> messagenews:1187384231.410193.190550@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 3:47 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS!
>>
>> > Especially for you, ALex, since you support everything Padilla did.
>>
>> What did Padilla do?
>
> He was a terrorist, just like you
AND FUCK YOU ARSEHOLE! I AM A VET YOU ARE NOT YOU ARE A FUCKING ZIOZOMBIE!

I ASKED WHAT DID PADILLA DO, THAT HARMED ANYONE/ THE ANSWERT IS  N O T H I N 
G 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 17, 9:05 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in 
>> messagenews:1187393256.406081.90900@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> On 
>> Aug 17, 6:38 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in
>> >> messagenews:1187384231.410193.190550@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 17, 3:47 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> >> IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS!
>>
>> >> > Especially for you, ALex, since you support everything Padilla did.
>>
>> >> What did Padilla do?
>>
>> > He was a terrorist, just like you
>>
>> AND FUCK YOU ARSEHOLE! I AM A VET
>
>>From the Egyptian army.... circa 1948.
I am neither an Egyptian nor an Arab
>
>
> YOU ARE NOT YOU ARE A FUCKING ZIOZOMBIE!
>
> No, I am a human being.  Unlike you.
You are not
>>
>> I ASKED WHAT DID PADILLA DO, THAT HARMED ANYONE/ THE ANSWERT IS  N O T H 
>> I N
>> G
>
> He is a terrorist.

I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON? 




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 How many killings, honor or not have Marines comitted in Iraq? 




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 wrote in message 
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> Last I heard, the FBI has stated that Adnan El Shukrijumah has
> successfully smuggled a nuclear explosive into the United States, and
> is waiting for further instruction from Al Qaeda.
>
> The hunt for him and six other terrorists since 2004 has been futile.
> Maybe if the news channels would cover this issue like they do the
> Iraq war, some of these terrorists would've been turned in by now.
>
> The other terrorists still loose:
> Aafia Siddiqui.
> Fazul Abdullah Mohammed.
> Abderraouf Jdey.
> Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani.
> Amer El-Maati.
> Adam Yahiye Gadahn.
YOU ARE AS CRAZY AS A BAT, GET AN EDUCATION 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 17, 9:22 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in 
>> messagenews:1187399521.073119.11960@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 9:05 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in
>> >> messagenews:1187393256.406081.90900@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> 
>> >> On
>> >> Aug 17, 6:38 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> >> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in
>> >> >> messagenews:1187384231.410193.190550@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Aug 17, 3:47 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> >> >> IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS!
>>
>> >> >> > Especially for you, ALex, since you support everything Padilla 
>> >> >> > did.
>>
>> >> >> What did Padilla do?
>>
>> >> > He was a terrorist, just like you
>>
>> >> AND FUCK YOU ARSEHOLE! I AM A VET
>>
>> >>From the Egyptian army.... circa 1948.
>>
>> I am neither an Egyptian nor an Arab
>
> I know... you're a Serb, which DOES have a significant Moslem
> population.  I'm sure you helped the Egyptian army out back in 48.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > YOU ARE NOT YOU ARE A FUCKING ZIOZOMBIE!
>>
>> > No, I am a human being.  Unlike you.
>> You are not
>
> You wouldn't know... you're not a human being.
>>
>> >> I ASKED WHAT DID PADILLA DO, THAT HARMED ANYONE/ THE ANSWERT IS  N O T 
>> >> H
>> >> I N
>> >> G
>>
>> > He is a terrorist.
>>
>> I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON
>
> He is a terrorist.  That is a crime, idiot!

FUCKING LYING PIECE OF JEW SHIT, NO WONDER THE WORLD HATES YOUR GUTS!

JEWS ARE THE BIGGEST TERRORIST THERE IS 




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GET RID OF THE PUPPETS AND ZIONAZI GARBAGE!

 wrote in message 
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> Security and Prosperity Partnership
> August 15, 2007
>
> This has been an important year for labour's political action, from
> the fight for Bills C-55 and C-257, to our latest Better Choice
> campaign, to the recent launch of our Made-in-Canada Jobs campaign.
> For those of us engaged in political action, however, there is an
> important moment next weekend where Canada's labour movement will be
> present.
>
> US President George W. Bush, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, and
> Canada's own Prime Minister Stephen Harper are meeting in Canada to
> discuss the latest trade deal being pushed through the back door by
> the continent's corporate elite. It's called the "Security and
> Prosperity Partnership" or simply the SPP.
>
> The SPP has been called NAFTA on drugs. According to the corporate
> elites behind the scheme, it's just a shot of what business needs to
> perform better and make corporate profits higher, faster and stronger.
> The only problem is they won't tell us what this involves.
>
> Ask any of the hundreds of thousands of workers in Canada who no
> longer have a good job in manufacturing or forestry and they'll tell
> you that life is hard enough under NAFTA. Ask the millions of people
> who can see how fast our standards for everything from protecting the
> environment, to retirement security to transportation infrastructure
> like trains and bridges have fallen in recent times. They'll tell you
> the SPP is just the latest corporate party drug.
>
> Either way, the federal government has been doing its best to keep the
> SPP off the public's radar screen. That will change after next
> weekend.
>
> A rally against this latest attempt to pass a trade deal by stealth
> will happen on August 19 on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. This rally will
> be followed by a teach-in on the SPP at the University of Ottawa. The
> organizers are expecting well-known speakers from Mexico, the US and
> Canada to address the teach-in .On Monday morning, August 20, shuttle
> buses will leave Ottawa and Hull to bring protesters to a "family
> friendly" demonstration on the Western perimeter of the SPP Summit.
>
> We invite all labour activists to participate in these events to show
> their opposition to the SPP, the latest corporate assault on the
> environment and workers' rights. At the very least, people should give
> their local Member of Parliament a call - Parliament isn't sitting, so
> they should all be working in their local offices. Tell them they
> can't let the SPP become law until Canadians know what it's all about.
>
> Remember back in 1988, when the government actually printed copies of
> the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement for everybody to read? Remember
> when you actually knew who was negotiating that trade deal, and when
> they were appointed by the government?
>
> If this was really about making NAFTA better for us all, we would all
> be included in these negotiations. It's time to put the brakes on the
> SPP and tell the people behind it to respect our democracy.
>
> http://canadianlabour.ca/index.php/view_en/1217
> 




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MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin said Friday that he had ordered the 
military to resume regular long-range flights of strategic bombers, a show 
of Russia's resurgent military power which comes amid a chill in relations 
with the United States.

Speaking after Russian and Chinese forces completed major war games 
exercises for the first time on Russian turf, Putin said a halt in 
long-range bombers' flights after the Soviet collapse had affected Russia's 
security as other nations had continued such missions - an oblique reference 
to the United States.

"I have made a decision to resume regular flights of Russian strategic 
aviation," Putin said in televised remarks. "We proceed from the assumption 
that our partners will view the resumption of flights of Russia's strategic 
aviation with understanding."

The Russian-Chinese war games, which took place near the Ural Mountain city 
of Chelyabinsk, coincided with Russian air force maneuvers involving 
strategic bombers which ranged far over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic 
oceans.

Putin said that 20 Russian bombers were involved in the exercise.

"Starting today, such tours of duty would be conducted regularly and on the 
strategic scale," Putin said. "Our pilots have been grounded for too long, 
they are happy to start a new life."

Soviet bombers routinely flew such missions to areas from which 
nuclear-tipped cruise missiles could be launched at the United States, but 
stopped in the post-Soviet economic meltdown.

"Starting in 1992, the Russian Federation unilaterally suspended strategic 
aviation flights to remote areas," Putin said. "Regrettably, other nations 
haven't followed our example. That has created certain problems for Russia's 
security."

Booming oil prices have allowed Russia to sharply increase its military 
spending.

In recent years, Russia's bombers have resumed flights to areas off Norway 
and Iceland, as well as Russia's northeast corner, across the Bering Strait 
>from Alaska several years ago. However, such missions have been rare, and 
Putin's statement signals that they would become more frequent.

The announcement comes amid a growing chill in the U.S.-Russian relations, 
strained over Washington's criticism of Russia's democracy record, Moscow's 
strong criticism of U.S. missile defense plans and differences over global 
crises.

"This is a significant change of posture of Russian strategic forces," 
Alexander Pikayev, a senior military analyst with the Moscow-based Institute 
for World Economy and International Relations, told The Associated Press. 
"It's a response to the relocation of NATO forces closer to Russia's western 
border."

Earlier this month, a pair of Russian Tu-95 strategic bombers approached the 
Pacific Island of Guam - home to a major U.S. military base - for the first 
time since the Cold War.

Last month, two similar bombers briefly entered British air space but turned 
back after British fighter jets intercepted them. Norwegian F-16s were also 
scrambled when the Tu-95s headed south along the Norwegian coast in 
international air space.

Russian Air Force spokesman Col. Alexander Drobyshevsky said that Friday's 
exercise involved Tu-160, Tu-95 and Tu-22M bombers, tanker aircraft and air 
radars. NATO jets were scrambled to escort the Russian aircraft over the 
oceans, he said, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.

As of the beginning of this year, Russia had 79 strategic bombers, according 
to data exchanged with the United States under the START I arms control 
treaty. At the peak of the Cold War, the Soviet long-range bomber fleet 
numbered several hundred.




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http://www.911eyewitness.com/ 




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 http://www.911eyewitness.com/ 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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The major news organizations should be sued for fraud in their reporting of 
the current stock market crash and equity market credit debacle.

The news each has been reporting is so tame and lame compared to the known, 
well advertised, well understood and wholly sinking-ship and rational 
plunging panic that is transpiring, they are setting up some for the benefit 
of others, others who might say their reporting would be irresponsible if 
they told the truth.

But you can bet Angelo Mozilo, the president of CountryWide Financial 
Corporation has been telling all his lavish friends, "If you don't get out 
right now, you're a fool who is going to take a beating."

This is the very same crowd that did this very same thing during the Dot-Com 
debacle.

Run it up. Draw in a gaggle of suckers with promises of fantastic promises.

And then pull out the duck guns and have at all the fish in the barrels.

In other words, as bad as it is, and it is bad, there are those who are 
handsomely profiting in the consummation of yet another huge stock swindle 
that makes ENRON and WORLDCOM look like a playground lunch money heist.

Don Robertson, The American Philosopher 




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LETTER FROM AN EXILE

By Christopher Bollyn

Your trial was written in stone so your only choice was to leave.
- An observer of the Bollyn trial, June 2007

In Roland Huntford's 1971 work about Swedish society the former 
correspondent for the London Observer provides insightful observations about 
how the ruling political faction, the Social Democrats, was able to change 
the face of Sweden - and the values of the population - to suit their 
party's leftist ideology.

"The Swedes have pursued broadly the same aims as the Russians: the creation 
of the new man for the new society, the restraint of individuality, the 
generation of a collective mentality and the advancement of central 
direction," Huntford wrote.

"When the Swedes change ideas, they do it to the full, leaving no room for 
criticism or reservation. The country lacks intellectual defences; anything 
new will conquer without resistance being offered."

WHAT INTELLECTUAL DEFENSE?

While Huntford's harsh statement, "The country lacks intellectual defences; 
anything new will conquer without resistance being offered," was written 
about Sweden of the 1970's after decades of Social Democrat rule, his words 
would serve as a most apt and suitable description of the United States 
today.

I left the United States in November 2001 because I had concluded it would 
be extremely unsafe to remain in the country and continue to write articles 
about the evidence that indicated that the terror attack of 9-11 was a 
Zionist false-flag operation designed to change public opinion, impose 
draconian security measures, and launch the illegal wars of aggression 
called for in the Zionist gameplan known as the "war on terror."

I was right about it being unsafe.

There was certainly no resistance being offered in the controlled media to 
the audacious lies about 9-11 being pushed by the first G.W. Bush 
administration and the Department of Justice headed by John Ashcroft and 
Michael Chertoff. Furthermore, the United States has, for the past 6 years, 
shown an appalling lack of intellectual defences to counter and challenge 
the fairy tail explanation of 9-11 and the utterly fraudulent and criminal 
"war on terror" that followed in its wake.

This isn't to say that there are no American intellectuals opposed to the 
Zionist nightmare imposed on the United States, but their views are 
certainly not seen or heard on the nightly news. They are effectively 
marginalized, ridiculed, defamed and slandered by the Zionist-controlled 
media, as I have been since November 2001. The pro-war slant of the mass 
media in the United States has been as overwhelming and effective as any 
Nazi or Soviet propaganda ever was.

Where is the intellectual and spiritual resistance to the illegal aggression 
against Afghanistan and Iraq? Where is the popular resistance to the 
atrocities that occur in U.S.-run prisons in occupied Afghanistan, Iraq, and 
the Cuban gulag known as Guantanamo? Why are Americans seemingly incapable 
of preventing such crimes from being done by their government - in their 
name?

The U.S. war in Viet Nam spanned the time I was in first grade until I 
finished high school, and there was a significant grass roots resistance to 
that war. The anti-war music of that period left an indelible mark on my 
conscience - and the nation's.

The current war against Iraq began in January 1991. This war has now lasted 
more than 16 years and taken more than 1 million Iraqi lives yet I cannot 
recall a single noteworthy anti-war song from this entire period. There will 
certainly not be a Woodstock against the "war on terror."

SELF-IMPOSED EXILE

Self-imposed exile is defined as being voluntarily absent from one's home or 
country. That would describe me as I have spent the greater part of the past 
6 years, since 9-11, in self-imposed exile.

I continued to research and write about 9-11, the "war on terror," and other 
Zionist frauds and crimes from safer and less hostile locations.

We returned to our home in 2005 and soon learned that our comings and goings 
were being monitored by the FBI with the help of two informants who had 
tried to befriend us. This led us to leave the country once again in 
September 2005.

In March 2006, we returned to the United States. We spent the first three 
months on the road visiting 9-11 researchers like Steven E. Jones, Thomas 
Cahill, Eric Hufschmid, and Ellen Mariani. We knew that we were not safe 
>from the authorities at our home near Chicago and were extremely reluctant 
to spend any time there.

In June 2006, Chris Petherick, the managing editor of American Free Press, 
suddenly cut my expense and travel budget from $1,000 per month to nothing. 
Willis A. Carto and his editorial staff were evidently not interested in 
cutting-edge 9-11 research that involved any expense. This drastic cut in my 
business expense budget had been preceded by two slashes in my wages, each 
time a ten percent cut.

Carto had been trying to get me to stop writing for several years but I 
stubbornly refused to become a "lobbyist" in Washington and continued my 
9-11 research.

Finally, in the beginning of August 2006, we returned to our home in Hoffman 
Estates. The utility room drain needed routing so I spent some time on the 
roof from which I noticed that the local police were spending a great deal 
of time around my house. At one point a SUV from the HEPD stopped in front 
of my house to take a good look at me. They certainly did not hide the fact 
that they were watching me. Every time I went for a bike ride to the store 
or library I noticed a police car near my house. They must have had orders 
to drive past my house once an hour.

On 15 August 2006 the police harassment went even further. I called 911 to 
report that an undercover car with three armed men was prowling around my 
home for the second night in a row. This resulted in this tactical team 
coming to my house and assaulting me.

I wound up TASERed while being restrained by two men and handcuffs. This 
certainly fits the description of torture. My right elbow was fractured and 
I was effectively dragged into the corrupt Cook County courts - charged with 
aggravated assault and resisting a peace officer.

This was just the beginning of the attack on me and my credibility.




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On Aug 18, 7:10 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> ElParedon wrote:
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> ||
> || I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON?
>
> The jury deliberated for three and a half days you moron.
>
> Miami jurors have found Jose Padilla, a US citizen held by the American
> government for three and a half years as an enemy combatant, guilty of
> aiding al-Qaeda and conspiring to commit murder.......

CRAP! "aiding" is not a crime.It is the US government who aided Al
Qaeda more than anyone else. Al Qaeda and Osama have got more
financial help from USA than from anyone else.

Padilla show trial was designed simply to shut him up from speaking
out about the inhumane treatment he received from his torturers!



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On Aug 18, 7:10 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
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> || I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON?
>
> The jury deliberated for three and a half days you moron.
>
> Miami jurors have found Jose Padilla, a US citizen held by the American
> government for three and a half years as an enemy combatant, guilty of
> aiding al-Qaeda and conspiring to commit murder.......
>
> The key piece of physical evidence against Padilla, Hassoun and Jayyousi was
> a five-page form Padilla supposedly filled out in July 2000 to attend an
> al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan.
>
> The form, recovered by the CIA in Afghanistan in 2001, contained seven of
> Padilla's fingerprints and several other personal identifiers, such as his
> birthdate and ability to speak Spanish, English and Arabic.
>
> Also central to the investigation were some 300,000 FBI wiretap intercepts
> collected from 1993 to 2001, mainly involving Hassoun and Jayyousi.

"300,000" Wow! That is about 50,000 hours spent on the phone, if each
call was just ten minutes,
or roughly 4 years, 24 hours a day. Can you lie a little more
believably!

So what if he joined Al Qaeda! It was originally formed by CIA, he was
simply helping United States!




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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PADILLA VERDICT
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:33:15 -0700
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On Aug 18, 7:10 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> ElParedon wrote:
>
> ||
> || I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON?
>
> The jury deliberated for three and a half days you moron.
>
> Miami jurors have found Jose Padilla, a US citizen held by the American
> government for three and a half years as an enemy combatant, guilty of
> aiding al-Qaeda and conspiring to commit murder.......
>
> The key piece of physical evidence against Padilla, Hassoun and Jayyousi was
> a five-page form Padilla supposedly filled out in July 2000 to attend an
> al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan.
>
> The form, recovered by the CIA in Afghanistan in 2001, contained seven of
> Padilla's fingerprints and several other personal identifiers, such as his
> birthdate and ability to speak Spanish, English and Arabic.
>
> Also central to the investigation were some 300,000 FBI wiretap intercepts
> collected from 1993 to 2001, mainly involving Hassoun and Jayyousi.
>
> Most of the conversations were in Arabic and purportedly in code.

I can just imagine the plotting "terrorists" conversing in Arabic
which nobody in the world understands!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: PADILLA VERDICT
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On Aug 18, 10:12 am, "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1187439871.128877.175710@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 18, 7:10 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> >> ElParedon wrote:
>
> >> ||
> >> || I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON?
>
> >> The jury deliberated for three and a half days you moron.
>
> >> Miami jurors have found Jose Padilla, a US citizen held by the American
> >> government for three and a half years as an enemy combatant, guilty of
> >> aiding al-Qaeda and conspiring to commit murder.......
>
> > CRAP! "aiding" is not a crime.
>
> Ummmmm..... yes it is, you smacked ass!!

Bush has been aiding the worst crtiminals on the face of the Earth the
Zionist enclave, which holds some 20,000 prisoners in their torture
camps, including about 700 children, since he has not been charged,
yet, it is not a crime!



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From:  Venceremos 
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 THE TRUTH IS THAT ZIONAZIS SET AMERICA UP FOR 911



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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: U.S. hunts al-Qaida in Afghanistan
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On Aug 18, 9:41 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Alex they have no given up!
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070815/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan
>
> Hundreds of U.S.-led troops have launched an offensive against al-Qaida
> and Taliban militants in an area of eastern Afghanistan where Osama bin
> Laden once hid, officials said Wednesday.

THAT IS A LAUGH



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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: DUBYA SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRIED INSTEAD OF PADILLA!
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On Aug 18, 9:35 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> PADILLA was found guilty

MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE FOUND GUILTY IN UNITED STATES EVERY DAY.
MARTHA STEWART FOR ONE



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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian
Subject: Re: Giuliani opposes Palestinian state
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On Aug 18, 9:41 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually Giuliani opposes the Palestinian state
>
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1186557456732&pagename=JPost%
> 2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
>
> US Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said he opposes
> creation of a Palestinian state at this time and would take a tough
> stand with Iran, including destroying its nuclear infrastructure "should
> all else fail."

AFTER JEWLIANI PUTS DOWN ANOTHER BOTTLE OF JOHNNY WALKER, AND MARRIES
ANOTHER WIFE, HE WILL OPPOSE GEORGE BUSH ALSO!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Arab League condemns Iraq terrorism
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On Aug 18, 9:36 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Alex they condemned it. Only morons like you think it is a great victory

SO DO I CONDEMN THE OCCUPATION TERRORISM WHICH HAS SLAUGHTERED ONE
MILLION IRAQIS THUS FAR



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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Islam in action - "Cutting of Hands and Feet"
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On Aug 18, 9:41 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Alex don't lecture anyone here on the Quran, we know it better then you!
>
> It states
> "As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment
> by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in
> power." - Quran 5:38
>
> And it is practiced now. Here see this video.

ZIONAZIS DO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT THEY IMPRISON 20,000 PALESTINIANS IN
THEIR TORTURE CHAMBERS WITH NO CHARGES AT ALL, INCLUDING 750 CHILDREN,
WHOM THEY BEAT AND RAPE!



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BROOKLYN, N.Y. - Firefighter John Schroeder, assigned to Engine Company 10 
directly across the street from the World Trade Center complex, holds back 
tears and describes his first-hand experience on Sept. 11th. His story 
directly contradicts many aspect of the National Commission on Terrorist 
attacks though corroborates many other eyewitness testimony.

"Standing outside the firehouse with my buddies, we were talking about how 
beautiful the day was. Then just like that, our lives changed forever. Some 
of those guys I would never see again."

In this exclusive interview, Firefighter Schroeder recollects in great 
detail how he was one of the first firefighters to rush to the complex. "We 
first assembled on West Street, where we saw someone burnt beyond 
recognition. We were like 'What is going on here?' and then went straight 
into the Marriot building" From there, Firefighter Schroeder made his way to 
the lobby of the North Tower. "It looked like a bomb went off, and we 
started making our way up the stairs to rescue as many people as we could."


As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder heard a 
huge explosion. "The elevators just blew right out. We couldn't believe it. 
The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators explode at least five minutes 
later? It was unreal."

Firefighter Schroeder made it all the way up to the 23rd floor before barely 
hearing on the failing radios that another plane was coming in. That plane 
would hit the South Tower though for some reason "We were tossed like a rag 
doll by another explosion in our building. People were making there way down 
the stairwells burnt like you couldn't believe. We were all shocked because 
it seemed as if there was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn't 
make sense".

The stairwells were black, and at that point, firefighters were making the 
decision to head back down stairs. In making there way down to the third 
floor, they were not able to find an exit. "The lobby was like a war zone. 
We could not find our way out. Then, all of a sudden, one of the maintenance 
workers had a key that opened a back door that got us out of there. He saved 
my life." That worker was Willie Rodriguez. "I want to thank him from the 
bottom of my heart.

Firefighter Schroeder today has lost 40% of his lung capacity. "We haven't 
been treated properly at all. From the day of the attack, our physical and 
mental health has deteriorated and it seems as if no one cares. To lose 
friends, to have to recover their bodies in the days after, to be offered no 
protections against that horrific-smelling dust that was everywhere even 
though the government said the air was OK to breathe is just not right." 
Some of Firefighter's Schroeder's best friends have gotten out of the FDNY 
altogether while others accepted money and trips to help. "I stayed right 
here and did the right thing and now it feels as if I'm suffering the most. 
Where is our government to help the one's with the toughest jobs on that day 
and the days after?"

John Schroeder, we want to thank you for being as brave as your job requires 
in speaking out about your experiences on Sept/ 11th. You have set the 
historical record straight by explaining your story. This Nation is forever 
greatful to you as your account will help to save and protect many more 
lives.

Today, tens of thousands of such 9/11 first responders are in dire need of 
medical care due to the environmental conditions after the 3 towers imploded 
at Ground Zero. Diagnosed with cancers and debilitating respiratory 
illnesses, these true American heroes have been denied the financial 
benefits required to save their lives. While suffering and deteriorating, 
their health crisis has been ignored by state and federal policy. Many have 
already died.

Composed of family members, friends and fellow Americans of individuals who 
perished on that fateful day, We are Change will fight to raise awareness 
and consciousness to the first responder's illnesses and hardships. We are 
determined to put a face to the thousands of forgotten victims of the 9/11 
attacks 6 years later.




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 wrote in message 
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> WE HAVE TO NUKE IRAN FIRST AND AFTER THE POLLUSION TO EMIGRATE OURSELF
> IN IRAN!

YOU WILL NUKE SHIT! FUCKING COWARDLY ARSEHOLE!
>
>
> On Aug 18, 10:40 am, "David Zohar"  wrote:
>> Someone should remind the President of Iran that the Persians are less 
>> than
>> fifty percent of the population of his country and the many oppressed
>> peoples  there (Azeris Baluchis Kurds Arabs etc) are sick and tired of
>> being bossed around by Teheran's imperialism.
>>
>> Freedom for all the oppressed  peoples in the Iranian  Empire!.
>>
>> "Defendario"  ???
>> ??????:5hnbo4F3krb4...@mid.individual.net...
>> (AFP)
>>
>> 4 August 2007
>>
>> ALGIERS - Iran's outspoken President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on
>> Israel to "go find somewhere else" for its state and leave its territory
>> for the creation of a Palestinian state, according to an interview
>> published on Saturday.
>>
>> "Our support (for the Palestinian people) is unconditional. As for the
>> Israelis, let them go find somewhere else," Ahmadinejad told several
>> Algerian newspapers ahead of an visit to Algiers that starts Monday.
>>
>> Iran consistently refuses to recognise Israel's right to exist in the
>> Middle East, and Ahmadinejad sparked outrage abroad by stating after
>> coming to power in 2005 that Israel should be "wiped from the map."
>>
>> He also provoked a storm in June by saying a "countdown" had begun that
>> would end with Lebanese and Palestinian militants destroying Israel, and
>> his government last year hosted a conference on the Holocaust
>> questioning the German Nazis genocide of the Jews during World War II.
>>
>> In his latest diatribe, the Iranian leader accused Israel of commiting
>> "butchery" in the Palestinian territories.
>>
>> Ahmadinejad said, too, that Iran wanted to cooperate with Algeria
>> against terrorism. "Islam bans the assassination of innocent people
>> wherever they are," he said.
>>
>> "We reject all methods of terrorism, whatever the denomination or
>> motive," Ahmadinejad declared.
>>
>> He criticised what he called the "partial" view of human rights in
>> Western countries.
>>
>> He said there were "secret prisons" in Europe. "In the United States
>> people's telephone conversations are listened to. In Britain, people are
>> spied on using television cameras. In Palestine, Israel commits
>> butchery. But no-one causes a scandal."
>>
>> Ahmadinejad's visit to Algeria has not been officially confirmed by the
>> authorities.
>>
>> link:http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/middleea...
>
> 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 18, 8:23 am, Defendario  wrote:
>> David Zohar wrote:
>> > Someone should remind the President of Iran that the Persians are less 
>> > than
>> > fifty percent of the population of his country
>>
>> Iran is diverse.  No one is oppressed in Iran.

25,000 kikes live happily in Iran and want no part of Kikeland 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
> ||
> || I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON?
>
> The jury deliberated for three and a half days you moron.

The jury deliberated almost as long on Martha Stewart and convicted her 
also! 




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TO ME THEY LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE NAZIS ;LOOKED, EXCEPT THAT THE NAZIS 
WERE MORE CIVILIZED AND HELL OF A LOT CLEANER THAN THE JEWS ARE
"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MadtzYUOkXg
>
> with an excellent piece of music 




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Innocent Man Sentenced to Death Under Cruel Texas Law



Kenneth Foster faces death for a crime he didn't commit because of a twist 
of Texas law that enables a jury to sentence someone to death even if he or 
she had no proven role in a murder.





      Click Here!


Kenneth Foster's time is running out.

On Tuesday, August 7, in a six-to-three decision, the Texas Court of 
Criminal Appeals denied his final writ of habeas corpus, giving the legal 
green light for his execution. Foster, who is scheduled to die by lethal 
injection on August 30, is now at the mercy of the merciless Board of 
Pardons and Paroles. The odds are bad. Five out of seven board members must 
recommend clemency before Governor Rick Perry will consider it -- and in a 
state that has executed nearly 400 people in thirty years, clemency has only 
been granted twice. But Foster's supporters, who are spearheading a 
letter-writing campaign to the board and governor, are relying on one 
particularly salient detail to move their minds, if not their hearts: Foster 
didn't kill anyone.

Foster was convicted for the 1996 murder of Michael LaHood Jr., who was shot 
following a string of robberies, by a man named Mauriceo Brown. Brown 
admitted to the shooting and was executed by lethal injection last year. Now 
Foster faces the same fate. So, if Brown was the shooter, what did the 
19-year-old Foster do to get a death sentence? He sat in his car, 80 feet 
away, unaware that a murder was taking place.

Foster was convicted under Texas's "law of parties," a twist on a felony 
murder statute that enables a jury to convict a defendant who was not the 
primary actor in a crime. This can mean sentencing someone to death even if 
he or she had no proven role in a murder. Texas's law states that "if, in 
the attempt to carry out a conspiracy to commit one felony, another felony 
is committed by one of the conspirators, all conspirators are guilty of the 
felony actually committed, though having no intent to commit it." 
Defendants, the Texas courts say, can be held responsible for "failing to 
anticipate" that the "conspiracy" -- in Foster's case, the robberies, for 
which he was the getaway driver -- would lead to a murder. Foster's 
sentence, death row prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal recently commented, 
"criminalizes presence, not actions."

In theory, the law of parties is "a well-recognized legal document," says 
Houston defense attorney Clifford Gunter, and most states with the death 
penalty on the books include a similar provision for "non-triggermen." 
Nevertheless, critics of the Texas law say it's an aberration -- a slippery 
legal statute that stands in direct violation of the 1982 Supreme Court 
decision in Enmund v. Florida. Still the "prevailing view," according to 
Gunter, Enmund held that the death penalty was unconstitutional for a 
defendant "who aids and abets a felony in the course of which a murder is 
committed by others but who does not himself kill, attempt to kill, or 
intend that a killing take place or that lethal force will be employed." In 
Texas today, the law or parties says exactly the opposite.

Even more troubling is the law in practice. When Justice Byron White wrote 
the Enmund decision in 1982, he observed that the Court was not aware of a 
single execution of someone who did not kill or intend to kill. What a 
difference another quarter-century makes. Months after Enmund was decided, 
Texas executed its first prisoner since the reinstatement of the death 
penalty in 1976. In the tidal wave of capital cases that followed, numerous 
defendants would be sentenced to die under the law of parties.

One was Norman Green. Green was charged for a murder during a botched 
robbery in an electronics store in 1985. He got death. His accomplice, the 
man who actually pulled the trigger, got life. The arbitrary result 
exemplifies what Green's appellate lawyer, Verna Langham -- who also handled 
Kenneth Foster's first appeal -- sees as the danger of the law of parties. 
"[It] is subject to such loose interpretation," she told the Austin 
Chronicle in 2005. "A kid in the wrong place at the wrong time with the 
wrong people can end up being sentenced to death." Green was executed in 
1999.



No formal study has been done on the number of defendants subjected to the 
law of parties in Texas. Anti-death penalty activists estimate that Texas 
death row has 80 to 100. This number seems high to David Dow, founder and 
director of the Texas Innocence Network and author of Executed on a 
Technicality (2005). But he says that it could be an accurate measure of the 
number of prisoners whose juries were given the choice of applying the law 
of parties, even if their conviction did not hinge on it. "In a lot of 
cases, you have a [law of parties] instruction, but jurors have to find one 
or the other: Either the person was responsible for killing the victim or 
they are responsible for participating in a crime where it should have been 
anticipated that a murder would take place." For a defendant facing lethal 
injection, it's a distinction without a difference. Regardless of the number 
of times the law of parties has been used, its clear effect has been to 
broaden the pool of defendants eligible for death. By inviting a jury to 
speculate whether a defendant "should have known" a murder could happen, it 
drastically lowers the burden of proof for a punishment supposedly reserved 
for "the worst of the worst."

>From the zeal of prosecutors to the legal machinery that supports them, "the 
structure of the Texas's legal system makes it easier to sentence people to 
death," says Dow. Between the Polunsky Unit in Livingston and the women's 
death row in Gatesville, nearly 400 prisoners are awaiting execution. By the 
end of the summer, Texas will have killed its 400th prisoner since the death 
penalty was brought back. The state that famously carried out 152 executions 
under Governor George W. Bush has seen Gov. Rick Perry surpass his record. 
Since taking office in December 2000, Perry has signed off on over 158 
executions -- a number that will be dated when this piece goes to press (and 
which would be higher still were it not for the Supreme Court's 2005 
decision in Roper v. Simmons, which forced Perry to commute the death 
sentences of 28 prisoners who were younger than 18 at the time of their 
crime). In this context, it's hard not to see the law of parties as an 
irresistible tool in a legal system designed to summarily execute people. 
Especially if the defendant is black and the victim is white.




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From: "ElParedon" 
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The Terrorists Did Not Take Away Our Freedoms. The Terrorists Did Not 
Suspend Our Constitutional Rights. The Terrorists are Not Spying on Us. Bush 
Has Done All That, Not the Terrorists. He Does Their Work for Them. He is 
Their Tool at Destroying Democracy. 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 17, 3:43 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Al Nakba"  wrote in message
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>> news:1187382233.107155.285800@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 12:39 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:5ilkr2F3q27d6U2@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> >> >A Palestinian from Ramallah turned an 18-year-old Israeli girl he met 
>> >> >on
>> >> >the internet into his sex slave, Ynet reported on Friday.
>>
>> >> > A few months ago Tal (not her real name) met who she thought was her
>> >> > prince charming in an internet chat room. Following a brief period 
>> >> > of
>> >> > online correspondence, the two met in person. The Palestinian took 
>> >> > Tal
>> >> > out
>> >> > to restaurants and showered her with gifts, and the unsuspecting
>> >> > Israeli
>> >> > teen thought she had found the man of her dreams.
>> >> > Within a month of their first encounter she was already in love with
>> >> > him,
>> >> > and did not hesitate for a second when he asked her to move into his
>> >> > home
>> >> > in Ramallah. But shortly after the two began living together the man
>> >> > approached Tal and asked that she "comfort" a friend of his. She 
>> >> > agreed
>> >> > to
>> >> > sleep with the friend as a one-time gesture for her beloved 
>> >> > boyfriend,
>> >> > but
>> >> > was forced to have sex with others as time went by.
>>
>> >> JEWS SELL AND BUY RUSSIAN WOMEN FOR THEIR TELL AVIV BORDELLOS ALL THE
>> >> TIME.
>> >> THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG WOMEN AND CHILDREN HELD AGAINST THEIR 
>> >> WILL
>> >> IN
>> >> KIKELAND, AND YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ONE JEW WHORE WHO COULD HAVE 
>> >> WALKED
>> >> AWAY ANY TIME FROM HER SITUATION
>>
>> SEX SLAVERY IN THE ZIONAZI ENCLAVE IS FAR MORE COMMON THAN ANYWHERE ELSE 
>> IN
>> THE WORLD- Hide quoted text -

All you have to do is search Haaretz newspaper for the articles on the sex 
slavery in Israel 




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Saturday, August 18, 2007
Defense contractor openly using God to sell war in Iraq


A major defense contractor for the military and Homeland Security claimed 
that the United States is morally obliged to maintain a permanent presence 
in Iraq for the sake of God.

"If we stay and rebuild Iraq, we will demonstrate to the world that we 
remain the best force for good in the world," Charles Patricoff, Sr. 
Contract Manager for Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp, said. "More 
importantly, we as Christians can better influence that region for the 
Kingdom of God."

Patricoff pointed out that the American Civil War was more unpopular than 
the current war in Iraq and 630,000 men died during the fight to end slavery 
and gain liberty for African-Americans.

"Look at how we helped rebuild Germany and Japan after World War II," he 
added. "Because of the good we did there and are doing in Iraq, I don't 
believe we should ever leave Iraq."

Ball Aerospace, based in Boulder, Colorado, manufactures spacecraft, lasers, 
tactical instruments & sensors, and other components is part of the team 
that supports the missile defense system initiated by President George W. 
Bush.

The defense contractor reported 2006 sales of $6.6 billion and employs 
15,500 people.




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By Jenny S. Martinez


Friday, August 17, 2007; A23


The conclusion of Jose Padilla's criminal trial in a federal court yesterday 
shows that waging the "war on terror" does not require giving up our 
constitutional values or substituting military rule for the rule of law. The 
jury's guilty verdict should be appealed, but the verdict on the 
Constitution is in: We should keep it.

Padilla is a U.S. citizen who was arrested in Chicago in May 2002, pursuant 
to a warrant to testify before a grand jury. He was held in civilian custody 
in New York for a month, but on the eve of a hearing in federal court, 
President Bush declared Padilla an "enemy combatant." At that point, Padilla 
was whisked out of the civilian justice system and imprisoned in a South 
Carolina military brig. Then-Attorney General John Ashcroft held a news 
conference to announce that the government had thwarted a plot by Padilla to 
set off a radiological "dirty bomb" in an American city.

Anyone who has seen a cop show in recent decades knows what rights people in 
America usually have when arrested: the right to remain silent and the right 
to an attorney. Not Padilla.

For nearly two years, Jose Padilla was denied all access to his lawyers, his 
family and the court system. The Bush administration claimed that he could 
be held without trial until the end of its "war on terror." Allowing Padilla 
to talk to a lawyer or know that a court was considering his case, the 
government argued, would threaten national security. Meanwhile, the 
government was working to create a relationship of complete "dependency" 
between Padilla and his interrogators, who were busy trying to torture a 
confession out of him.

As court filings indicate, Padilla was allegedly subjected to sleep 
deprivation, stress positions and extreme temperatures. Worse, he was held 
without human contact, without a clock or even natural light -- with no way 
to know how quickly or slowly time was passing. When he was removed from his 
cell to visit a dentist, goggles and earmuffs were placed on him. 
Psychologists have long reported that extreme sensory deprivation is one of 
the quickest ways to drive people mad -- and make them willing to confess to 
anything.

The case challenging the constitutionality of Padilla's detention was in the 
federal courts for several years. It reached the Supreme Court in 2004, at 
which point the government finally allowed him to speak to a lawyer. But the 
high court did not review the merits; instead, it ruled on a technicality 
that the case should have been brought in South Carolina, not New York. 
Litigation continued and nearly reached the Supreme Court again in late 
2005. By then, the administration had begun soft-pedaling the "dirty bomb" 
story, which it described as "loose talk" rather than an imminent plot. It 
put forward a new theory: Padilla was planning to blow up apartment 
buildings with natural gas. The government also argued that he could be 
detained as an "enemy combatant" because, it alleged, he had been in 
Afghanistan during the U.S. bombing campaign in late 2001.

Two business days before the government's brief was due in the Supreme 
Court, the administration switched tactics again. Fearful that the court 
would rule that a U.S. citizen arrested in the United States could not 
constitutionally be detained forever without criminal trial, the government 
announced that Padilla would be tried in a federal court in Miami. As the 
U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit noted, the government's actions 
made it appear that it was trying to evade Supreme Court review.

The charges brought in Miami contained none of the allegations about the 
dirty-bomb plot, the apartment buildings or even Padilla's presence in 
Afghanistan in late 2001. Instead, the government alleged that Padilla had 
conspired in the 1990s to provide support to overseas jihadists in Bosnia 
and Chechnya. Commentators called even this weaker case notably thin, but 
Padilla was found guilty.

Padilla's fate, pending appeal, remains unknown. Also unknown is whether the 
courts will ever definitively rule on the legality of the government's 
mistreatment of Padilla during his four years of military detention. But 
some things are certain:

The trial showed that our federal courts are perfectly capable of dealing 
with terrorism cases. A federal judge presided over the five-month trial of 
Padilla and his co-defendants with great care for both the rights of the 
defendants and for national security. The Bush administration has claimed 
since Sept. 11 that the federal courts cannot be trusted with terrorism 
matters. It has argued that we should scrap our centuries-old constitutional 
protections and replace our system of checks and balances with one awarding 
the executive complete discretion to lock up whomever he wants, for however 
long he deems appropriate. The Founders rejected that kind of arbitrary and 
oppressive power. And the federal court in Florida has shown how weak the 
administration's case for abandoning the Constitution really is.

The writer, a law professor at Stanford University, represented Jose Padilla 
before the Supreme Court in 2004 and is his attorney in a civil case 
regarding his treatment while detained.




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On Aug 17, 11:12 am, "LC"  wrote:
> "Pr0r3p"  wrote in message
>
> news:1187363136.874648.293520@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > So, FaggoBOB is calling himself "LC" these days.
>
> He always forges his betters.


NOBODY HELPED NAZIS MORE THAN JEWS DID.  THE WHOLE WARSAW OPERATION
WAS RUN BY THE JEWISH ORDUNGSPOLIZEI SS, COMPOSED ENTIRELY OF JEWS.
THESE SAME JEWS ARE NOW CLAIMING VICTIMHOOD. FUCK THEM, THEY ARE THE
ONES WHO SHOULD BE DEPORTED. READ ISRAEL SHAHAK FOR PROOF.



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From:  Venceremos 
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 PADILA WAS SUBJECTED TO MOST INHUMANE TORT URE FOR 3.5 YEARS. NOT
EVEN NAZIS TREATED PRISONERS THE WAY PADILLA WAS TREATED.

HE DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DESERVE EVEN ONE DAY IN JAIL.

SO HE JOINED AL QAEDA, WHICH WAS FUNDED BY UNITED STATES! BIG DEAL!



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On Aug 19, 11:31 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Exactly Alex. I agree with you on this!
>
> Here is an interview with a US soldier in Iraq who explains why he
> serves.

NOBODY CAN JUSTIFY INVASION OF ANOTHER COUNTRY AND SLAUGHTER OF ONE
MILLION PEOPLE.  BUSH SHOULD FACE HANGMAN, JUST LIKE SADDAM DID!



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On Aug 17, 2:24 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:35:38 -0400, "jgarbuz" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"William Black"  wrote in message
> >news:u%Zwi.18177$ph7.4901@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>
> >> "Jason P"  wrote in message
> >>news:1187274466.244037.91730@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > The Jews were a wandering nomadic group that never took roots, until
> >> > after they forcibly left ancient Egypt. Arabs were firmly planted in
> >> > the Sinai and in parts of the Babylonian empire before the Jews wore
> >> > out their welcome in the Pharaoh's Egyptian court.
>
> >> I thought  they were some sort of Turcoman tribe from Kazaria>
>
> >Yeah, but here comes scientific proof that proves you and everyone else who
> >thinks so WRONG! Including Arthur Koestler, who propagated the myth of
> >Ashekenazic descent from
> >Khazars in his book "The Thirteenth Tribe." This SCIENTIFIC STUDY proves
> >that overwhelmingly, most Jews are of Middle Eastern origins. Only holocaust
> >deniers who also deny evolution, but believe in UFOs will continue to use
> >the discredited theory of Khazar origins. It is true, however, that many
> >ultraorthodox Hungarian Jews are probably descendent from Khazar konverts,
> >but they are mostly anti-zionist Naturei Karta and Satmar "Jews" anyway. So
> >naturally, they would be anti-Israel because of their actual Khazar roots.
>
> I;m not of Middle Eastern origin.  I;m a boghopper of Irish bog
> origin.
>
> Susan

WE KNOW THAT, WE ALSO KNOW THAT YOU ARE A QUASI KIKE!



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 THOSE WHO RUN THE ZIONAZI ENCLAVE HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH ANCIENT
JEWS, NOTHING AT ALL!



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Text of Putin bomber announcement

08:39:11 =DE.=D9
Herewith the official English-language translation of President
Vladimir Putin's announcement Friday of Russia's decision to resume
strategic bomber patrols after a 15-year hiatus:

"In 1992, the Russian Federation unilaterally stopped sending its
strategic aviation on long-range patrols. Unfortunately, not everyone
has followed our example and other countries' strategic aviation
continues patrols to this day. This creates certain p roblems for the
Russian Federation in ensuring its security."

"In response to this situation, I have decided that Russia's strategic
aviation will resume patrols on a permanent basis."

"At midnight, today, August 17, 14 strategic missile-carriers, support
and refuelling aircraft took off from seven air force bases in
different parts of the Russian Federation and began a patrol involving
a total of 20 aircraft. As from today, such patro ls will be carried
out on a regular basis. These patrols are strategic in nature. The
aircraft involved in today's patrol will spend around 20 hours in the
air, with refuelling, in coordination with the navy."

"The patrols will take place above all in areas where Russian
Federation shipping and economic activity is most active."

"We hope that our partners will show understanding towards the
resumption of patrols by Russia's strategic aviation."

"Our pilots have spent too long on the ground. We have strategic
aviation but it spends practically no time in the air. Flights took
place now and again only during large-scale military exercises, and as
you know, we have held very few such exercises ove r the last 15
years. As I said, our pilots have spent too long on the ground. I know
that they are happy to now have this chance to begin a new life and we
wish them luck."

http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=3D242655&n=3D25



White House plays down Russian move to resume long range bomber
flights


CRAWFORD, Texas (Thomson Financial) - The White House on Friday played
down Russia's decision to resume long-range strategic bomber flights,
saying it saw no threat to US security and that the decision was "not
entirely surprising."

"We have very good working relations with the Russians, with the
Russian military," said national security spokesman Gordon Johndroe,
adding that the move was "an internal decision" by Russian President
Vladimir Putin.

Asked whether the patrols posed a security threat to the United
States, Johndroe replied: "I don't think our military has those
concerns about it."

His comments came after Putin announced Russia would immediately
resume long-range strategic bomber flights on a "permanent" basis,
ending its 15-year suspension of such missions.

The announcement came days after Moscow said its strategic bombers had
begun exercises over the North Pole, and just a week after Russian
planes flew within a few hundred kilometers of a US military base on
the island of Guam.

afp/mb
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http://orange.advfn.com/news_White-House-plays-down-Russian-move-to-resume-=
long-range-bomber-flights_21931727.htm



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OSAMA BIN LADEN  Frequently Asked Questions

Contents
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I. Purpose
II. Biography
III. Ideology
IV. Life
V. Significance

I. Purpose

This FAQ exists to answer questions about the USENet group
alt.fan.osama-bin-laden and Osama bin Laden himself.

The charter for alt.fan.osama-bin-laden reads:
For discussion of the spiritual and military leader Osama bin Laden.

Our feeling is that giving our fellow newsbrowsers more information
is appropriate. The following in brief describes why most of our
members join, in the words of one member:

It was as if the roof fell in on September 11, 2001. There was an
attack on the USA but also the dialogue had suddenly begun in
earnest on the Middle East, with the words "Jewish" and "Israel"
being used where previously they were taboo. The nature of America's
one-sided foreign policy was revealed where the literate could see.
All my life I've grown up in the USA when we've been under a paranoid
military lockdown because of either nuclear war, or drugs, or some
other terror. This place is neurotic, and it has no culture. It has
malls and fast food and a media powerplant like no other nation before
it, but American culture is based on products like the rest of its
values. We are polluting and creating giant mounds of landfill and
ignoring the extermination of species, destruction of forest and
toxicity of environment issues facing our planet. America and the UK
are the primary proponents of this first-world lifestyle, one that
has not yet fully infested mainland Europe. One can no longer have
ethnic pride of one is white or of Arabic descent, but you sure can
if you're black, Jewish, Latino or Asian. America looked like she was
unstoppable and Osama bin Laden proved otherwise and showed many of
us how broken the system is. We work all day like slaves, spend most
of our money on products, and our society is increasingly
dysfunctional
because we do not communicate. Children are left alone with negative
media influences trying to market to them already, so it's no surprise
when they turn into sociopaths. Our entire population is bored and
somewhat pissed off, but they feel there's nothing they can do about
it. Osama bin Laden helped break that illusion, like Thomas Jefferson
or George Washington would have. He's a real hero to all of humanity,
but right now we're all too busy taking sides. Someday his name will
be praised in every nation on earth.

II. Biography

Osama bin Mohammed bin Ladin was born in the city of Riyadh, Saudi
Arabia, in early 1957. Raised by a wealthy family and educated in the
traditional means of the Saudis, bin Ladin made his fortune working
with the family construction business (a Fortune 500 firm who has
previously partnered with, among others, the Bush family) and when
war broke out in Afghanistan, a 22-year-old bin Ladin left his family
and went to fight with the mujahedeen.

Since the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, bin Ladin has remained
active in pro-Muslim political causes around the world. His name
emerged in connection with terrorist attacks in Riyadh (November 95)
and Dhahran (June 96), which left 30 people dead, including 24
Americans. He is also implicated in the attacks on a Yeminite hotel
(December 92) that injured several tourists; the assassination attempt
on Egyptian president Mubarak in Ethiopia (June 95); the World Trade
Center bombing (February 93) that killed 3 and injured hundreds; and
the Somali attack on American forces that left hundreds wounded and
humiliated the United States with images of the corpses of American
commandos being dragged through the streets of Somalia's capital.
(from amerika.org)

III. Ideology

"We declared jihad against the US government, because the US
government
is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are
extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its
support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land
(Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those
who
were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US
reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were
dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that
took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even
humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all
bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any
imperialist power in the world."

"The external policy of the Saud regime towards Islamic issues is a
policy which is tied to the British outlook from the establishment of
Saudi Arabia until 1364 ah (1945 ac), then it became attached to the
American outlook after America gained prominence as a major power in
the world after the Second World War.
It is well known that the policies of these two countries bear the
greatest enmity towards the Islamic world."

"The Americans impose themselves on everyone who believes in his
religion and his rights. They accuse our children in Palestine of
being
terrorists. Those children that have no weapons and have not even
reached maturity. At the same time they defend a country with its
airplanes and tanks, and the state of the Jews, that has a policy to
destroy the future of these children."

"Ramzi Yousef, after the World Trade Center bombing became a well
known
Muslim personality, and all Muslims know him. Unfortunately, I did not
know him before the incident.
I remember him as a Muslim who defended Islam from American
aggression.
He took this effort to let the Americans know that their government
assaults Muslims to insure Israeli interest, to insure Jews."

"As we mentioned before, Allah ordered us in this religion to purify
Muslim land of all non-believers, and especially the Arabian Peninsula
where the Ke'ba is. After WWII, the Americans became more aggressive
and oppressive, especially in the Muslim world.
We are surprised this question is coming from Americans. Each action
will solicit a similar reaction. We must use such punishment to keep
your evil away from Muslims, Muslim children and women. American
history does not distinguish between civilians and military, and not
even women and children. They are the ones who used the bombs against
Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish between infants and military?
America does not have a religion that will prevent it from destroying
all people."

IV. Life

We have no concrete evidence of the lifestyle or current living
situation of Osama bin Laden. If any of our friends in Pakistan
or Afghanistan can give us an idea, please write to
webmas...@amerika.org

V. Significance

Osama bin Laden is significant for the following reasons:

- Opened dialogue on Jewish presence in American gov't and foreign
policy.

- Removed facade of American invincibility and righteousness.

- Turned the world's eyes toward the Middle East and Israel's
actions in Palestine.

- Pulled off a daring attack on one of the world's most
powerful countries and continues to wage war against them.

- Struck a blow against the movement for globalisation and
centralization of power in the American-UN axis.

- Sent terror into the hearts of the American people, forcing many
to reevaluate their beliefs and their perception of US foreign
policy in Muslim lands.

- Caused a further division in American society between people from
either leftist or rightist parties who endorse American patriotism
contra Islam, and those who resist this movement.

- Created an academic focus on traditionalist nationalism in the style
practiced by the Taliban, which despite its negative slant in the
Western media caused many to consider the benefits of being Taliban.

- Demonstrated a symbolic link between technology and death that in
the minds of many was a judgment for American use of technology and
damage to the environment.

Copyright (c) 2002 osama-bin-laden faq author: dr. rock



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On Aug 19, 11:21 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> The beating and raping was actually done Alex by a Muslim army -
> Pakistan  in Bangladesh in 1971.
sure it was but don't change the subject!



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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:44:21 EDT 2007
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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.21330e51e33724ee98a02d@west.Usenet-News.net...
> In article <1187512954.886320.96890@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> webjunk20000@yahoo.com says...
>>  But with a
>> full fledged failed territory next door with millions of people who
>> have no way of obtaining any decent livelihood (they only see the
>> luxurious Israeli houses across the 'wall' with swimming pools full of
>> water from aquifers right under their own feet when they barely have
>> enough drinking water themselves) drugs will seem like the only way to
>> make enough money to live by;

There is no bigger drug dealer in the world than the Zionist state. Number 
of ZioNazi bil;lionaires made their money on the backs of the American 
addicts. 




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 cream of the shit, more likely! 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
> || TO ME THEY LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE NAZIS ;LOOKED, EXCEPT THAT THE
> || NAZIS WERE MORE CIVILIZED AND HELL OF A LOT CLEANER THAN THE JEWS ARE
>
>
> Another keeper.
 Keep it all you want that is the truth. Jews are filthy in personal 
hygiene, they are filthy in their habits, and they are fi;thy in their 
manners 




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 yep, that is why hundreds of jewish women look for the muslim lovers, all 
the time! 




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August 19, 2007

Two weeks ago, the representative of the PA, Riyadh Mansour, upon 
instructions by the Israeli quisling government in Ramallah, opposed the 
introduction by Qatar and Indonesia of a resolution in the Security Council. 
The resolution was to open the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt and to 
help ease the terrible humanitarian crisis of the 1.5 million Palestinians 
in Gaza. In addition, the resolution asked for the return of the over 6,000 
Palestinians who were stranded in Egypt, with no resources left or shelter, 
due to the Abbas government's refusal to ask for the opening of the Rafah 
crossing. Never in the history of the Palestinian struggle had a so-called 
Palestinian "leader" so openly conspired with the occupiers and the 
tormentors of the Palestinian people, so cruelly and shamelessly.

This, however, was not an isolated incident. It is becoming clear, day by 
day, that the Ramallah gang is determined to starve and to inflict as much 
suffering on the Palestinians in Gaza, to bring down the democratically 
elected Hamas government.

Now, act two in this cruel and unconscionable strategy by Abbas and Fayyad 
is unfolding. It involves cutting off fuel supplies for the electric 
generating station in Gaza. With full coordination with Israel, the crossing 
through which the fuel is shipped from Israel was closed a few days ago, 
"for security reasons." That led to cutting the electric production by 75%. 
Now Israel is claiming that the crossing is open again -- but there is a 
catch.

The Israeli company which supplies the fuel is now saying that the EU, which 
had agreed to pay for the fuel shipment, is in fact refusing to pay and a 
decision will not be coming until Monday.

The real story is that the Vichy government of Abbas and Fayyad has asked 
the EU not to pay and to work with Israel to stop the supply of fuel. Abbas 
and Fayyad are determined to punish the Palestinians in Gaza, regardless of 
how many will die due to the electric shutdown. The electric company has 
stopped all electric generation as of today.

This will cause a huge humanitarian disaster, since pumps needed to pump 
potable water and sewage have stopped. Hospital equipment which requires 
electricity is no longer operable. Here is a quote from yesterday's message 
of Dr. Mona El-Farra in Gaza:

"I am extremely worried about the power cut off; more than 50%of Gaza 
electricity is paralyzed. At Al Awda hospital, we have enough fuel to run 
our alternative electrical generators for one week. All hospitals are 
threatened to stop surgical operations and different medical services, if 
the situation will continue. Many essential medications are lacking on the 
hospital shelves. I expect the poverty level to increase to unprecedented 
level. Ordinary Palestinian people pay the price.."

What comes next, Mr. Palestinian Pinochet? Water supply? An outright full 
Israeli invasion of Gaza with you in the lead tank?




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The Big Lie:

Bush Traitors, Not Petraeus, Will Write September Report

[For months, Bush has been flooding the world with a repeated lie:  That he 
will hear from General Petraeus in September about how the war is going. 
Guess what.  Is anybody out there really surprised?  T

August 15, 2007 By Julian E. Barnes and Peter Spiegel, Los Angeles Times 
Staff Writers [Excerpt]

According to the officials, Gen. David H. Petraeus is expected to propose 
the partial pullback in his September status report to Congress, when both 
the war's critics and supporters plan to reassess its course. Administration 
officials who support the current troop levels hope Petraeus' 
recommendations will persuade Congress to reject pressure for a major U.S. 
withdrawal.

The expected recommendation would authorize U.S. commanders to withdraw 
troops from places that have become less violent and turn over security 
responsibilities to Iraqi forces.

But it does not necessarily follow that Petraeus would call for reducing the 
overall number of troops in the country. Instead, he could move them to 
another hot spot, or use them to create a reserve force to counter any rise 
in violence.

Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations 
by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration 
officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs 
>from officials throughout the government.



LIAR

TRAITOR

TROOP-KILLER

DOMESTIC ENEMY

UNFIT FOR COMMAND

UNWORTHY OF OBEDIENCE




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:44:23 EDT 2007
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      Those people truely to blame for the degrading treatment of Iraqi 
prisoners in Baghdad's infamous Abu Ghraib jail remain in the shadows, while 
such abuses continue unchecked and unseen.

      That's the view of American author Tara McKelvey, who sought to 
uncover the truth behind the 2004 scandal in her book "Monstering: Inside 
Americas Policy of Secret Interrogations and Torture in the Terror War."

      Asked who was really responsible ahead of the trial of the only US 
military officer charged with tormenting Iraqis at the jail, McKelvey 
replied: "That's the million dollar question. That's what everyone wants to 
know."

      Lieutenant Colonel Steven Jordan, 51, goes on trial on Monday on 
charges which include cruelty and mistreatment of detainees, making false 
statements, obstruction of justice and disobeying orders.

      McKelvey hopes the hearing will provide some answers as to why US 
soldiers forced their Iraqi prisoners to strip, form naked human pyramids, 
parade on all fours with leashes chains on their necks, and threatened them 
with dogs.

      "These court-martials have been very useful in the sense that they 
allow people to ask questions. And they forced people to account for their 
behavior when they were at the prison," she told AFP.

      "They are one of the few venues where things things are out in the 
open."

      So far attempts to the blame the affair on US President George W. 
Bush, who ordered the invasion of the Iraq in March 2003, his Vice President 
Dick Cheney or former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the main architects 
of the war, have come to nothing.

      "People try to blame Bush, they blame Cheney, they blame Rumsfeld. But 
chasing that chain of command is difficult, partly because so much of these 
documents and the photographs have been withheld from the public," said 
McKelvey.

      She added the "smoking gun" in the scandal could lead to John C. Yoo, 
who was a lawyer in the office of legal counsel at the Justice Department, 
and was one of the authors of a key departmental memo.

      "In that memo, he defines torture to allow all sorts of abuse and 
techniques, and that was one of the key points in this entire debate," 
McKelvey said.

      "People say often: torture and abuse have taken place in every war. 
And it's true, if you look at My Lai or some of the incidents in Vietnam 
that were horrific.

      "But the difference now is that this is codified. There have been 
allowances made for these things to occur."

      The Abu Ghraib scandal first came to light in 2004 when photographs 
the grinning soldiers had taken of themselves dishing out the abuse to their 
prisoners shot round the world.

      But McKelvey believes the abuse was more widespread than was ever 
revealed and is probably still continuing in other places and situations.

      "It's true you can say the scandal exists because of the photographs, 
but what you saw on the pictures was really only a fraction of the abuse 
that was taking place. And certainly not the worst of it," she said.

      "There is no question in my mind that the extent was far greater than 
it was acknowledged at that time. In December 2003, there was something like 
12,000 detainees in Iraq," she said.

      But there were thousands who were never registered and held in 
short-term facilities such as schools or police stations, she added.

      "Today, polls show that a sizable number of soldiers think that 
torture is OK in certain conditions, that they won't report abuse if it 
takes place.

      "And I think the sad truth is that these things are still taking place 
but the difference between now and April-May 2004 is that people aren't 
taking pictures."




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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:44:24 EDT 2007
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      Those people truely to blame for the degrading treatment of Iraqi 
prisoners in Baghdad's infamous Abu Ghraib jail remain in the shadows, while 
such abuses continue unchecked and unseen.

      That's the view of American author Tara McKelvey, who sought to 
uncover the truth behind the 2004 scandal in her book "Monstering: Inside 
Americas Policy of Secret Interrogations and Torture in the Terror War."

      Asked who was really responsible ahead of the trial of the only US 
military officer charged with tormenting Iraqis at the jail, McKelvey 
replied: "That's the million dollar question. That's what everyone wants to 
know."

      Lieutenant Colonel Steven Jordan, 51, goes on trial on Monday on 
charges which include cruelty and mistreatment of detainees, making false 
statements, obstruction of justice and disobeying orders.

      McKelvey hopes the hearing will provide some answers as to why US 
soldiers forced their Iraqi prisoners to strip, form naked human pyramids, 
parade on all fours with leashes chains on their necks, and threatened them 
with dogs.

      "These court-martials have been very useful in the sense that they 
allow people to ask questions. And they forced people to account for their 
behavior when they were at the prison," she told AFP.

      "They are one of the few venues where things things are out in the 
open."

      So far attempts to the blame the affair on US President George W. 
Bush, who ordered the invasion of the Iraq in March 2003, his Vice President 
Dick Cheney or former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the main architects 
of the war, have come to nothing.

      "People try to blame Bush, they blame Cheney, they blame Rumsfeld. But 
chasing that chain of command is difficult, partly because so much of these 
documents and the photographs have been withheld from the public," said 
McKelvey.

      She added the "smoking gun" in the scandal could lead to John C. Yoo, 
who was a lawyer in the office of legal counsel at the Justice Department, 
and was one of the authors of a key departmental memo.

      "In that memo, he defines torture to allow all sorts of abuse and 
techniques, and that was one of the key points in this entire debate," 
McKelvey said.

      "People say often: torture and abuse have taken place in every war. 
And it's true, if you look at My Lai or some of the incidents in Vietnam 
that were horrific.

      "But the difference now is that this is codified. There have been 
allowances made for these things to occur."

      The Abu Ghraib scandal first came to light in 2004 when photographs 
the grinning soldiers had taken of themselves dishing out the abuse to their 
prisoners shot round the world.

      But McKelvey believes the abuse was more widespread than was ever 
revealed and is probably still continuing in other places and situations.

      "It's true you can say the scandal exists because of the photographs, 
but what you saw on the pictures was really only a fraction of the abuse 
that was taking place. And certainly not the worst of it," she said.

      "There is no question in my mind that the extent was far greater than 
it was acknowledged at that time. In December 2003, there was something like 
12,000 detainees in Iraq," she said.

      But there were thousands who were never registered and held in 
short-term facilities such as schools or police stations, she added.

      "Today, polls show that a sizable number of soldiers think that 
torture is OK in certain conditions, that they won't report abuse if it 
takes place.

      "And I think the sad truth is that these things are still taking place 
but the difference between now and April-May 2004 is that people aren't 
taking pictures."







 


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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:44:24 EDT 2007
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      Those people truely to blame for the degrading treatment of Iraqi 
prisoners in Baghdad's infamous Abu Ghraib jail remain in the shadows, while 
such abuses continue unchecked and unseen.

      That's the view of American author Tara McKelvey, who sought to 
uncover the truth behind the 2004 scandal in her book "Monstering: Inside 
Americas Policy of Secret Interrogations and Torture in the Terror War."

      Asked who was really responsible ahead of the trial of the only US 
military officer charged with tormenting Iraqis at the jail, McKelvey 
replied: "That's the million dollar question. That's what everyone wants to 
know."

      Lieutenant Colonel Steven Jordan, 51, goes on trial on Monday on 
charges which include cruelty and mistreatment of detainees, making false 
statements, obstruction of justice and disobeying orders.

      McKelvey hopes the hearing will provide some answers as to why US 
soldiers forced their Iraqi prisoners to strip, form naked human pyramids, 
parade on all fours with leashes chains on their necks, and threatened them 
with dogs.

      "These court-martials have been very useful in the sense that they 
allow people to ask questions. And they forced people to account for their 
behavior when they were at the prison," she told AFP.

      "They are one of the few venues where things things are out in the 
open."

      So far attempts to the blame the affair on US President George W. 
Bush, who ordered the invasion of the Iraq in March 2003, his Vice President 
Dick Cheney or former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the main architects 
of the war, have come to nothing.

      "People try to blame Bush, they blame Cheney, they blame Rumsfeld. But 
chasing that chain of command is difficult, partly because so much of these 
documents and the photographs have been withheld from the public," said 
McKelvey.

      She added the "smoking gun" in the scandal could lead to John C. Yoo, 
who was a lawyer in the office of legal counsel at the Justice Department, 
and was one of the authors of a key departmental memo.

      "In that memo, he defines torture to allow all sorts of abuse and 
techniques, and that was one of the key points in this entire debate," 
McKelvey said.

      "People say often: torture and abuse have taken place in every war. 
And it's true, if you look at My Lai or some of the incidents in Vietnam 
that were horrific.

      "But the difference now is that this is codified. There have been 
allowances made for these things to occur."

      The Abu Ghraib scandal first came to light in 2004 when photographs 
the grinning soldiers had taken of themselves dishing out the abuse to their 
prisoners shot round the world.

      But McKelvey believes the abuse was more widespread than was ever 
revealed and is probably still continuing in other places and situations.

      "It's true you can say the scandal exists because of the photographs, 
but what you saw on the pictures was really only a fraction of the abuse 
that was taking place. And certainly not the worst of it," she said.

      "There is no question in my mind that the extent was far greater than 
it was acknowledged at that time. In December 2003, there was something like 
12,000 detainees in Iraq," she said.

      But there were thousands who were never registered and held in 
short-term facilities such as schools or police stations, she added.

      "Today, polls show that a sizable number of soldiers think that 
torture is OK in certain conditions, that they won't report abuse if it 
takes place.

      "And I think the sad truth is that these things are still taking place 
but the difference between now and April-May 2004 is that people aren't 
taking pictures."




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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:44:25 EDT 2007
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"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
news:U02yi.23218$t9.8380@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> Are you proud of your fellow Muslims in Iraq who blew up 300 Kurds last 
> week? Will you blame Kurds for Israel or Bush- or are you Islamists 
> murdering slobs because you cannot get along with anyone but your own 
> narrow minded cult?

First of all, it ias a hypothetical question. To me it looks like the 
occupation forces are trying to start a civil war, and that is why they 
bombed the Yazidis.

Importantly, we muslims do not attack other countries, occupy them and steal 
their wealth. Those fight occupation are heroes.
>
> "Aviroce"  wrote in message 
> news:1187555961.998692.131530@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> By calling him Osama Bush, you insulted Osama Bin Laden.  Osama Bin
>> Laden is a respectable formidable enemy.  He is not trash.  He is an
>> enemy of the United States of America.  But he is not an agent of
>> anybody.  Bush is an agent of the Israeli/Jewish Lobby, Jewish
>> Community and Zionists in general.  Bush is the obedient servant of
>> such groups.  Osama Bin Laden plans, executes, pontificates, and
>> educates.  Bush is not that creative.  Comparing Bush to Osama Bin
>> Laden is like comparing Charlemagne to Harun Al-Rasheed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 4:10 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>> The Big Lie:
>>>
>>> Bush Traitors, Not Petraeus, Will Write September Report
>>>
>>> [For months, Bush has been flooding the world with a repeated lie: That 
>>> he
>>> will hear from General Petraeus in September about how the war is going.
>>> Guess what.  Is anybody out there really surprised?  T
>>>
>>> August 15, 2007 By Julian E. Barnes and Peter Spiegel, Los Angeles Times
>>> Staff Writers [Excerpt]
>>>
>>> According to the officials, Gen. David H. Petraeus is expected to 
>>> propose
>>> the partial pullback in his September status report to Congress, when 
>>> both
>>> the war's critics and supporters plan to reassess its course. 
>>> Administration
>>> officials who support the current troop levels hope Petraeus'
>>> recommendations will persuade Congress to reject pressure for a major 
>>> U.S.
>>> withdrawal.
>>>
>>> The expected recommendation would authorize U.S. commanders to withdraw
>>> troops from places that have become less violent and turn over security
>>> responsibilities to Iraqi forces.
>>>
>>> But it does not necessarily follow that Petraeus would call for reducing 
>>> the
>>> overall number of troops in the country. Instead, he could move them to
>>> another hot spot, or use them to create a reserve force to counter any 
>>> rise
>>> in violence.
>>>
>>> Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect 
>>> evaluations
>>> by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, 
>>> administration
>>> officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with 
>>> inputs
>>> from officials throughout the government.
>>>
>>> LIAR
>>>
>>> TRAITOR
>>>
>>> TROOP-KILLER
>>>
>>> DOMESTIC ENEMY
>>>
>>> UNFIT FOR COMMAND
>>>
>>> UNWORTHY OF OBEDIENCE
>>
>>
>
> 




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"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
news:CS1yi.23211$t9.17247@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> How much closer to a Palestinian State under Hamas?

Certainly much closer, rgan under PLO for the past 40 years!
>
> You do realize there could have been an independent Palestinian State 
> three years ago if your kind hadn't chose violence and intifada.

Really? it was all fault of Palestinians. Again!

> What did you get for your efforts besides dead Palestinians and misery?
Freedom has a high prize. Jews must vacate the land which does not belong to 
them and go back to Russia
>
> "Aviroce"  wrote in message 
> news:1187555280.901123.181230@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>I am puzzled.  I do not know how a Palestinian would conspire to kill
>> his own people.  So far all Abbas got has been a bag of trash to feed
>> on for few days.  Israel has not vacated the West Bank nor East
>> Jerusalem and handed both to Abbas.  The latter should be familiar
>> with the Arab culture,
>> "Those who use the lion as a hunting dog,  The lion will hunt them
>> among what they hunted." (Al-Mutanabbi)
>>
>> If Abbas thinks that he will get Gaza from Hamas at an expense of
>> killing the people in Gaza, he is wrong.  Hamas is an Arab/Muslim
>> Palestinian organization dedicated to rid Jews from Palestine.
>> Palestinians in Gaza will suffer but they will not surrender.  Look
>> what Israel has been doing daily in Gaza-bombing Gaza citizens daily
>> two or three or four times aday, sea-land-air.  Gaza Palestinians
>> refused to surrender.  Now let us look at the strategy of the Israelis
>> in this respect to reflect on the mentally-challenged Abbas.
>>
>> Israel is interested in subduing Hamas to dictate terms of the
>> Palestinian state.  Israel gave Abbas some feed to silence him and use
>> him in the process.  Abbas thinks he is using Israel to achieve his
>> objective.  He fails to see once Hamas surrenders he will get nothing
>> worthwhile from the Israelis.  Back to using a Lion as a Hunting Dog.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 4:03 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>> August 19, 2007
>>>
>>> Two weeks ago, the representative of the PA, Riyadh Mansour, upon
>>> instructions by the Israeli quisling government in Ramallah, opposed the
>>> introduction by Qatar and Indonesia of a resolution in the Security 
>>> Council.
>>> The resolution was to open the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt and 
>>> to
>>> help ease the terrible humanitarian crisis of the 1.5 million 
>>> Palestinians
>>> in Gaza. In addition, the resolution asked for the return of the over 
>>> 6,000
>>> Palestinians who were stranded in Egypt, with no resources left or 
>>> shelter,
>>> due to the Abbas government's refusal to ask for the opening of the 
>>> Rafah
>>> crossing. Never in the history of the Palestinian struggle had a 
>>> so-called
>>> Palestinian "leader" so openly conspired with the occupiers and the
>>> tormentors of the Palestinian people, so cruelly and shamelessly.
>>>
>>> This, however, was not an isolated incident. It is becoming clear, day 
>>> by
>>> day, that the Ramallah gang is determined to starve and to inflict as 
>>> much
>>> suffering on the Palestinians in Gaza, to bring down the democratically
>>> elected Hamas government.
>>>
>>> Now, act two in this cruel and unconscionable strategy by Abbas and 
>>> Fayyad
>>> is unfolding. It involves cutting off fuel supplies for the electric
>>> generating station in Gaza. With full coordination with Israel, the 
>>> crossing
>>> through which the fuel is shipped from Israel was closed a few days ago,
>>> "for security reasons." That led to cutting the electric production by 
>>> 75%.
>>> Now Israel is claiming that the crossing is open again -- but there is a
>>> catch.
>>>
>>> The Israeli company which supplies the fuel is now saying that the EU, 
>>> which
>>> had agreed to pay for the fuel shipment, is in fact refusing to pay and 
>>> a
>>> decision will not be coming until Monday.
>>>
>>> The real story is that the Vichy government of Abbas and Fayyad has 
>>> asked
>>> the EU not to pay and to work with Israel to stop the supply of fuel. 
>>> Abbas
>>> and Fayyad are determined to punish the Palestinians in Gaza, regardless 
>>> of
>>> how many will die due to the electric shutdown. The electric company has
>>> stopped all electric generation as of today.
>>>
>>> This will cause a huge humanitarian disaster, since pumps needed to pump
>>> potable water and sewage have stopped. Hospital equipment which requires
>>> electricity is no longer operable. Here is a quote from yesterday's 
>>> message
>>> of Dr. Mona El-Farra in Gaza:
>>>
>>> "I am extremely worried about the power cut off; more than 50%of Gaza
>>> electricity is paralyzed. At Al Awda hospital, we have enough fuel to 
>>> run
>>> our alternative electrical generators for one week. All hospitals are
>>> threatened to stop surgical operations and different medical services, 
>>> if
>>> the situation will continue. Many essential medications are lacking on 
>>> the
>>> hospital shelves. I expect the poverty level to increase to 
>>> unprecedented
>>> level. Ordinary Palestinian people pay the price.."
>>>
>>> What comes next, Mr. Palestinian Pinochet? Water supply? An outright 
>>> full
>>> Israeli invasion of Gaza with you in the lead tank?
>>
>>
>
> 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Mirelle"  wrote in message 
> news:1187558029.181007.301200@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 19, 10:16 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>>> alt.fan.osama-bin-laden
>>
>> I will have to check out that NWS group.
>> I have always been a big fan of Osama. Along with Che Guevara.
>>
>> Mirelle
>
> Gee, Vera, we all thought you died!!
>
> Figures you would be a big fan of one of the biggest mass murderers in 
> human history!

LIAR! Osama bin Laden killed nobody! 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 19, 5:50 pm, Mirelle  wrote:
>> On Aug 19, 2:30 pm, "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote:
>>
>> > Figures you would be a big fan of one of the biggest mass murderers in 
>> > human
>> > history!
>>
>> Correction:
>> Osama bin Laden is a: FREEDOM FIGHTER.
>>
>> Mirelle
>
>
> Wrong as always, sweetheart.  Osama bin Laden is a: MASS MURDERER.

Who is the "MASS" that he murdered?
>
> And your lies will never change that.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Osama killed a single person 




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On Aug 19, 7:27 pm, Rosen The Chosen  wrote:
> On Aug 19, 6:40 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in messagenews:1187560485.310789.65360@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Aug 19, 5:50 pm, Mirelle  wrote:
> > >> On Aug 19, 2:30 pm, "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote:
>
> > >> > Figures you would be a big fan of one of the biggest mass murderers in
> > >> > human
> > >> > history!
>
> > >> Correction:
> > >> Osama bin Laden is a: FREEDOM FIGHTER.
>
> > >> Mirelle
>
> > > Wrong as always, sweetheart.  Osama bin Laden is a: MASS MURDERER.
>
> > Who is the "MASS" that he murdered?
>
> Around three thousand people on September 11th, 2001.
>
CRAP! OSAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911!  THE THREE BUILDINGS WERE
BLOWN UP!



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On Aug 19, 7:28 pm, Rosen The Chosen  wrote:
> On Aug 19, 6:39 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>
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> > "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in messagenews:pOCdndZF-aPrK1XbnZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > > "Mirelle"  wrote in message
> > >news:1187558029.181007.301200@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On Aug 19, 10:16 am, Venceremos  wrote:
> > >>> alt.fan.osama-bin-laden
>
> > >> I will have to check out that NWS group.
> > >> I have always been a big fan of Osama. Along with Che Guevara.
>
> > >> Mirelle
>
> > > Gee, Vera, we all thought you died!!
>
> > > Figures you would be a big fan of one of the biggest mass murderers in
> > > human history!
>
> > LIAR! Osama bin Laden killed nobody!
>
> Yes he did.  See my other post.

YOUR POST IS CRAP! THE BUILDINGS THAT SIZE DO NOT FALL DOWN BECAUSE OF
THE FIRE!



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On Aug 18, 6:09 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> "Tilly"  wrote in message
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>
> > ElParedon wrote:
> > ||
> > || I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON?
>
> > The jury deliberated for three and a half days you moron.
>
> The jury deliberated almost as long on Martha Stewart and convicted her
> also!

JURY WAS FULL OF SHIT IN BOTH CASES, AND YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT, TOO!



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On Aug 19, 11:49 am, "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
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>
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> > On Aug 18, 10:12 am, "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote:
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1187439871.128877.175710@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Aug 18, 7:10 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> >> >> ElParedon wrote:
>
> >> >> ||
> >> >> || I SAID WHAT CRIME DID PADILLA COMIT YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED MORON?
>
> >> >> The jury deliberated for three and a half days you moron.
>
> >> >> Miami jurors have found Jose Padilla, a US citizen held by the
> >> >> American
> >> >> government for three and a half years as an enemy combatant, guilty of
> >> >> aiding al-Qaeda and conspiring to commit murder.......
>
> >> > CRAP! "aiding" is not a crime.
>
> >> Ummmmm..... yes it is, you smacked ass!!
>
> > Bush has been aiding the worst crtiminals on the face of the Earth the
> > Zionist enclave, which holds some 20,000 prisoners in their torture
> > camps, including about 700 children, since he has not been charged,
> > yet, it is not a crime!
>
> Correct!!  It is NOT a crime, particularly since what you assert is a total
> lie!
>
> 20,000 terrorists and terrorist abettors ARE criminals, and are being held
> because they ARE criminals.
>
ZIONAZI GESTAPO ARE CRIMINALS, AND SHOULD BE TRIED AND HUNG JUST LIKE
NAZIS WERE HUNG IN NURNBERG




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On Aug 18, 12:57 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>
> news:oYmxi.17956$aa7.8527@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>
> > "ElParedon"  wrote in message
> >news:YWmxi.17954$aa7.2343@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > > IS A WAKEUP CALL FOR ALL AMERICANS!
>
> > To this day, many people, including myself, cite the Padilla case as the
> > ultimate wake-up call to the true character, the genuine soul, of the Bush
> > administration. Imprisoning a U.S. citizen, on U.S. soil, with no charges
> of
> > any kind, and then keeping him for years completely incommunicado, <
>
> Just like in the Arab countries! I say, you gotta learn from your enemies.
> I suggest we start beheading them too.

aRE YOU SUGGESTING THAT U.S. ARE LEARNING FROM ARAB COUNTRIES?
>
> >is just
> > one of those lines which many people believed would never be crossed in
> > America.  That this bright line was crossed, and crossed so explicitly and
> with so
> > little controversy, was an unmistakable sign of just how much of our
> > national character was being eroded, just how limitless was the attack on
> > our basic constitutional framework, just how profoundly our political
> press
> > was failing. Today's verdict offers yet more evidence of just how
> > unnecessary -- on top of illegal, unconstitutional and destructive -- the
> > administration's behavior here was.
>
>  > What was done to Padilla in order to force his "confession" can now be
> done
>
> > to any one of us, anywhere in the US.
> > Torture has become embraced as a matter of fact and procedure by this
> > government, with the power to inflict it at will.,<
>
> The US has crossed a lot of lines in recent years. It has allowed millions
> of illegal immigrants to come in and virtually take over the economy. The US
> has legalized murdering millions of babies in the womb.
You do have a point. I am against abortion, but I am also against
ordering women to have unwanted babies

You didn't see that
> in the '50s. In fact, in the '50s the FBI was a helluva lot stronger. We had
> TV shows lauding the FBI. Today we despise and deride our institutions.  We
> left leftist traitors set the agenda since the mid-60s, including opening
> wide immigration from the third world,

...And since when are you opposed to letting the Jews into USA?

including the Muslim countries,
Muslims too?

 and
> now we are paying the price of rampant liberalism.  We once had movie
> censorship and our film industry was admired and respected.
US has never had movie censorship!

Today Hollywood
> is just a big port for porn. We once had high schools that turned out
> technicians and skilled workers, and today we just turn out leftist lawyers
> who have taken control  of most of our institutions. We once had doctors who
> made house calls, but today we have screwed up semi-socialized medicine, and
> the liberals prescribe FULL socialism as the answer to the ills that
> semi-socialism brought to the health system since the  mid-'60s.
> We used to have "meat and potatoes" diets for the working class, but today
> we tell them to eat "fat free" and they are FATTER THAN EVER IN ALL OF
> HISTORY!
> I could go on. But the point is, since the mid-'60s the leftists have
> screwed up America, and now that it is screwed up and going down, what is
> their prescription? More liberalism! More leftism!
>
> But Bush has been a fuck up, for sure. At least Reagan, who was also a phony
> cowboy, nonetheless reflected some genuine basic American values. Bush is
> simply a very poor wanna-be who replaced principle with stubborness. He
> doesn't know the difference between principles and stupid stubborness. When
> Reagan saw in Lebanon, that he was dealing with crazy fucking Arabs, he
> pulled the marines out. He saw no point in exposing een more American kids
> to crazy fucking suiciders. Israel built a wall, to keep them out. But Bush
> wants to "democratize" them. He still thinks he can domesticate these wild
> animals! Ya gotta know when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em. Bush is  a
> loser, because he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's going
> down another tragic figure like Lyndon Johnson. Or Nixon.
> Once you get confused as to which way is up, it's time to quit.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

They let you in into the country, that5 was a big mistake




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 Too bad! I liked the old guy. I will say my muslim prayer for him
tonight! may Allah help him see the truth!



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On Aug 17, 10:17 am, Michael Ejercito  wrote:
> On Aug 17, 5:12 am, Venceremos  wrote:> AMERICA SHOULD NEVER FORGET ABU GHRAIB, AND TORTURE, RAPE AND MURDER
> > OF A MILLION IRAQIS WHICH IS STILL GOING ON!
>
>    And it was the Jews' fault, right?
>
>  Michael

Absolutely correct! Jews got us into this mess, and are planning
another mess worst than the first!



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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7725966698433381712&q=NETWORK++movie+duration%3Along&total=333&start=50&num=10&so=3&type=search&plindex=8 




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>> > > LIAR! Osama bin Laden killed nobody!
>>
>> > Yes he did.  See my other post.
>>
>> YOUR POST IS CRAP!
>
> Your mind is crap.

Rosen you are neither chosen, nor do you have any brain to go along with 
your lying trap. Osama is not even on FBI Most Wanted list 




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"Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:hE3yi.22477$pu2.5056@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
>> news:pOCdndZF-aPrK1XbnZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Mirelle"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1187558029.181007.301200@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Aug 19, 10:16 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>>>>> alt.fan.osama-bin-laden
>>>>
>>>> I will have to check out that NWS group.
>>>> I have always been a big fan of Osama. Along with Che Guevara.
>>>>
>>>> Mirelle
>>>
>>> Gee, Vera, we all thought you died!!
>>>
>>> Figures you would be a big fan of one of the biggest mass murderers in 
>>> human history!
>>
>> LIAR! Osama bin Laden killed nobody!
> Well, I'm certainly not going to attempt to justify ObL, but as for 
> Dickhead's calling him "one of the biggest mass murderers in 
> history"...what a fucking joke!
> How many innocent Vietnamse are dead because of Kennedy and Lyndon? How 
> many Cubans because of JFK (remember the Bay of Pigs)?
> How many because of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao? Kim Il Sung? Pinochet? Pol 
> Pot? Marcos? Samosa? Resa Palavhi (the Shah of Iran)? Trujillo? Idi Amin? 
> Suharto? Rios Montt? And half of these dogdick tinpots supported by 
> "righteous old our-side"? Begin? Sharon?
> At a maximum, bin Laden has five thousand innocents to justify to his 
> maker, how about some of these if we're going to discuss mass-murderers?

Bravo Gary, you finally woke up! 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 19, 7:43 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On Aug 19, 7:27 pm, Rosen The Chosen  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 19, 6:40 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>
>> > > "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in 
>> > > messagenews:1187560485.310789.65360@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > > On Aug 19, 5:50 pm, Mirelle  wrote:
>> > > >> On Aug 19, 2:30 pm, "Rosen The Chosen"  
>> > > >> wrote:
>>
>> > > >> > Figures you would be a big fan of one of the biggest mass 
>> > > >> > murderers in
>> > > >> > human
>> > > >> > history!
>>
>> > > >> Correction:
>> > > >> Osama bin Laden is a: FREEDOM FIGHTER.
>>
>> > > >> Mirelle
>>
>> > > > Wrong as always, sweetheart.  Osama bin Laden is a: MASS MURDERER.
>>
>> > > Who is the "MASS" that he murdered?
>>
>> > Around three thousand people on September 11th, 2001.
>>
>> CRAP! OSAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911!  THE THREE BUILDINGS WERE
>> BLOWN UP
>
> By airplanes hijacked by a bunch of Islamofascists at Osama Bin
> Laden's orders.

Bloody liar! There is not a single engineer that subscribes to such nonsence
>
> Thanks for playing.
> 




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 19, 6:39 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in 
>> messagenews:pOCdndZF-aPrK1XbnZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Mirelle"  wrote in message
>> >news:1187558029.181007.301200@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 19, 10:16 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> >>> alt.fan.osama-bin-laden
>>
>> >> I will have to check out that NWS group.
>> >> I have always been a big fan of Osama. Along with Che Guevara.
>>
>> >> Mirelle
>>
>> > Gee, Vera, we all thought you died!!
>>
>> > Figures you would be a big fan of one of the biggest mass murderers in
>> > human history!
>>
>> LIAR! Osama bin Laden killed nobody!
>
> Yes he did.  See my other post.
 You are an imbecile! If Osama killed somebody it certainly is not one 
single American 




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Academy Award winner Michael Moore answered questions on 9/11 truth during a 
sneak peak of his new documentary, SICKO, in New York.

Our reporters were initially avoided by Moore, but he subsequently decided 
to approach We Are Change.org/ Infowars.com reporters for a discussion.

Moore brought up his lingering questions on 9/11, which are a clear 
departure from the 'government negligence' picture he painted in his film 
Fahrenheit 9/11, released some three years ago.

Moore told reporters, "I've had a number of firefighters tell me over the 
years and since Fahrenheit 9/11 that they heard these explosions-- that they 
believe there's MUCH more to the story than we've been told. I don't think 
the official investigations have told us the complete truth-- they haven't 
even told us half the truth."




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"Rosen The Chosen"  wrote in message 
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> On Aug 19, 7:33 pm, "howard.aub...@gmail.com"
>  wrote:
>> On Aug 19, 7:28 pm, Rosen The Chosen  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 19, 3:25 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>
>> > > "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:MPG.21330e51e33724ee98a02d@west.Usenet-News.net...
>>
>> > > > In article <1187512954.886320.96...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > > webjunk20...@yahoo.com says...
>> > > >>  But with a
>> > > >> full fledged failed territory next door with millions of people 
>> > > >> who
>> > > >> have no way of obtaining any decent livelihood (they only see the
>> > > >> luxurious Israeli houses across the 'wall' with swimming pools 
>> > > >> full of
>> > > >> water from aquifers right under their own feet when they barely 
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> enough drinking water themselves) drugs will seem like the only 
>> > > >> way to
>> > > >> make enough money to live by;
>>
>> > > There is no bigger drug dealer in the world than the Zionist state. 
>> > > Number
>> > > of ZioNazi bil;lionaires made their money on the backs of the 
>> > > American
>> > > addicts.
>>
>> > You got a source for that, Binky?
>>
>> Jeez, just as soon as you post a cite for anything you've posted in
>> the last five years, OK 'Braindead Ed'??- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> Shut the fuck up, pedophile!  I wasn't asking you.
Proof is in the pudding arsehole. Did you think that Mark Rich, Boris 
berezovsky, Gusinski, Nevzlin, and Mogilevich, laid bricks for their 
billions? 




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"Greg Carr"  wrote in message 
news:dS5yi.73021$fJ5.58596@pd7urf1no...
> Off-topic post that has nothing to do with van.general.
>
> You forget the starving Ethiopian black Jews that they brought into the 
> country during the famine of the 80's and all the second world East 
> European Jews they resettled.

You sure are dumb! It is the European Jews who run the drug empire called 
Israel!
>
>
> "Imam Contemptus Mundi"  wrote in message 
> news:imam-02FF9D.17551919082007@reader.motzarella.org...
>> In article <46c8a80d.34007125@news.motzarella.org>,
>> chillin'@home.net (Way Back Jack) wrote:
>>
>>> The Jews who are always condemning white America's lack of tolerance
>>> don't practice what they preach when it comes to schwartzers invading
>>> Israel.
>>
>> What is the word for that? Hypocrisy? Yeah, that's it.
>> Imam
>>
>>> ______________
>>>
>>> Israel Deports African Migrants
>>>
>>> By ISABEL KERSHNER
>>> Published: August 19, 2007
>>> JERUSALEM, Aug. 19 - Israel sent approximately 50 African migrants,
>>> said to include Sudanese refugees from war-torn Darfur, back across
>>> the border to Egypt late Saturday night, a move that was condemned by
>>> Israeli human rights advocates when it became known today.
>>>
>>> The migrants had illegally infiltrated the Israeli-Egyptian border
>>> earlier Saturday and were sent back the same day, as Israel instituted
>>> a policy of instant deportation for the first time, an Israeli
>>> government spokesman said.
>>>
>>> The spokesman, David Baker, said Israel was prepared to absorb the 500
>>> refugees from Darfur who are already in Israel. But from now on, he
>>> said, Israel would send back all migrants crossing the border from the
>>> Egyptian Sinai, regardless of their status or origins, by agreement
>>> with the Egyptian authorities.
>>>
>>> About 2,500 African asylum seekers have entered Israel over the past
>>> two years. Most are considered economic migrants and face deportation.
>>> In addition to the 500 refugees from Darfur, about 900 of the asylum
>>> seekers are from elsewhere in Sudan, according to the Hotline for
>>> Migrant Workers, an Israeli advocacy organization.
>>>
>>> Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel reached understandings with
>>> President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt almost two months ago regarding the
>>> return of cross-border migrants, according to Israeli officials. "The
>>> prime minister greatly appreciates President Mubarak's involvement in
>>> honoring this commitment," Mr. Baker said.
>>>
>>> But an Israeli human rights organization, the Association for Civil
>>> Rights in Israel, expressed its "strong" condemnation of the state's
>>> decision "to deport African refugees and asylum seekers to Egypt
>>> without following the internationally recognized procedures for
>>> determining whether they are refugees."
>>>
>>> Mr. Baker and other officials could not immediately provide
>>> information on how many of the roughly 50 migrants caught on Saturday
>>> were refugees from Darfur. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on
>>> its Web site that unidentified military officials said a majority of
>>> the migrants were from Darfur.
>>>
>>> Sudanese asylum seekers in Israel have complained of poor treatment
>>> during their stay in Egypt, and say that if they are deported, they
>>> fear that the Egyptians will send them back to Sudan, a country
>>> hostile to Israel.
>>>
>>> Israeli government officials said that Israel has received commitments
>>> from the Egyptians that refugees from Darfur will not be sent back to
>>> Sudan.
>>>
>>> Romm Lewkowicz, a spokesman for the Hotline for Migrant Workers, said
>>> his organization was considering petitioning the Israeli Supreme
>>> Court. He said that in the view of his organization Israel was
>>> violating a clause in the Geneva Convention obligating it to take in
>>> refugees from an enemy state.
>>>
>>> Mr. Lewkowicz said Israel had asked for the clause to be added after
>>> World War II to cover German Jewish refugees seeking asylum in
>>> Britain.
>>>
>>> The issue of the Sudanese refugees has been the subject of growing
>>> debate in Israel. Earlier this month, 63 members of the Israeli
>>> parliament signed a petition initiated by student activists, opposing
>>> the deportation of the refugees. The document, which was signed by
>>> legislators from across the political spectrum, read: "The refugees
>>> need protection and sanctuary, and the Jewish people's history, as
>>> well as the values of democracy and humanity, pose a moral imperative
>>> for us to give them that shelter."
>>>
>>> The Israeli prime minister's wife, Aliza Olmert, has also expressed
>>> sympathy for the plight of the refugees and become active on their
>>> behalf. She personally intervened in one case where a small girl had
>>> been left behind in Egypt after her parents dashed across the border
>>> into Israel. Mrs. Olmert appealed to President Mubarak's wife for
>>> help, and the girl was reunited with her parents in Israel.
>>>
>>> Mrs. Olmert wrote an article earlier this month titled "Exodus:
>>> Sudan," tracing the journey of the refugees pouring across the border
>>> from Egypt into Israel. It was published in the Israeli newspaper
>>> Yediot Aharonot.
>>>
>>> "The mercy we can give these broken people is to quickly identify
>>> those who are eligible for refugee status and speed along their
>>> absorption in Israel," Mrs. Olmert wrote.
>>>
>>> "As for the wave of economic migrants," she added, "we cannot handle
>>> it - we must be compassionate, but also firm. What we must not do is
>>> send them packing back to Egypt without receiving assurances that they
>>> will be treated fairly."
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/world/middleeast/19cnd-mideast.html?
>>> ex=1345176000&en=9f4dea73434d1229&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
>> -- 
>> If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention.
>
> 




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