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Available now by WWW from:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/

FACTS are FACTS -- the Truth about the Khazars
 
"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" 
(Galatians 4:16) 
 
The historic facts revealed here for the first time provide 
incontestable evidence that their continued suppression will prove 
inimical to the security of the nation, the peace of the world, the 
welfare of humanity, and the progress of civilization.
 
A facsimile reproduction reprinted and typeset to meet the many 
requests for a copy of the letter addressed to:
DR. DAVID GOLDSTEIN, LL.D., of Boston, Mass.
by its author
BENJAMIN H. FREEDMAN of New York City
Dated  October 10, 1954
 
   `DEDICATION'
 
to all men of good will
of all racial origins and
of all religious faiths
 
Knowledge is a collection of facts.
Wisdom is the use of knowledge.
Without facts there is no knowledge.
Without knowledge there is no wisdom.
Facts prevent what nothing can cure.
Facts are Man's best defense mechanism.
Without them men fumble, falter and fail.
Without them nations decline and fall.
Wisdom wins wars before they start.
Knowledge aborts national hostilities.
Wisdom obviates racial antipathies.
Knowledge effaces religious animosities.
Emancipation from bigotry prefaces peace.
Intolerance takes all and gives nothing.
Peace rewards reciprocal respect and regard.
To all Men of Good Will, "Pax Vobiscum!"
       -  Benjamin H. Freedman
 
 
TABLE OF CONTENTS:
 
Introduction
Jesus a Jew or Judean?
Secondary Meaning of the word "Jew"
Did Jesus practice Judaism? (Pharisaism)
What is the Talmud?
Role of the Talmud in Judaism Today
Origins of today's self-styled "Jews"
Jews and Christians Brothers?
Judeo-Christianity and Antisemitism Defined
Conclusion


  complete text is now online at:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
    (in the library)

-- 
 _____________________________________________________
|        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         | 
|               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
|    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.32905
 Message-ID: <4gfr7j$fnq@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage)
 Subject: Re: Jesus To The Jews Or Gentiles
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  Gary Newport (gnewport@mistral.co.uk) wrote:
  : If we review the Gospels do we not find that Jesus also held this 
  : viewpoint and excluded Gentiles from his preachings? After all was it not 
  : Jesus in Matt 15:24;
  : I was not sent forth to any but to the lost sheep of the House of 
  : Israel.'
       Perhaps the "lost sheep" were not "Jews", because the "Jews" were 
  not lost at the time of Christ's Advent?  Would this then mean that Matt 
  15:24 was really referring to the "gentiles" (the disporia - Israelites 
  scattered abroad)?  After all, the "lost sheep" were those who Jesus the 
  Christ came to redeem (buy back).
      For more detail to make more sense out of the words "Jew", 
  "gentile" and "Isreal" you may want to read the Israel-Identity FAQ at:
      http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/  (in the library)
  -- 
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         | 
  |               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
  |    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |


 Article: bit.listserv.christia.57808
 Message-ID: 
 From: Rick Savage 
 Subject: Facts are Facts - re: Khazars
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  Available now by WWW from:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
  FACTS are FACTS -- the Truth about the Khazars
  "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
  (Galatians 4:16)
  The historic facts revealed here for the first time provide
  incontestable evidence that their continued suppression will prove
  inimical to the security of the nation, the peace of the world, the
  welfare of humanity, and the progress of civilization.
  A facsimile reproduction reprinted and typeset to meet the many
  requests for a copy of the letter addressed to:
  DR. DAVID GOLDSTEIN, LL.D., of Boston, Mass.
  by its author
  BENJAMIN H. FREEDMAN of New York City
  Dated  October 10, 1954
     `DEDICATION'
  to all men of good will
  of all racial origins and
  of all religious faiths
  Knowledge is a collection of facts.
  Wisdom is the use of knowledge.
  Without facts there is no knowledge.
  Without knowledge there is no wisdom.
  Facts prevent what nothing can cure.
  Facts are Man's best defense mechanism.
  Without them men fumble, falter and fail.
  Without them nations decline and fall.
  Wisdom wins wars before they start.
  Knowledge aborts national hostilities.
  Wisdom obviates racial antipathies.
  Knowledge effaces religious animosities.
  Emancipation from bigotry prefaces peace.
  Intolerance takes all and gives nothing.
  Peace rewards reciprocal respect and regard.
  To all Men of Good Will, "Pax Vobiscum!"
         -  Benjamin H. Freedman
  TABLE OF CONTENTS:
  Introduction
  Jesus a Jew or Judean?
  Secondary Meaning of the word "Jew"
  Did Jesus practice Judaism? (Pharisaism)
  What is the Talmud?
  Role of the Talmud in Judaism Today
  Origins of today's self-styled "Jews"
  Jews and Christians Brothers?
  Judeo-Christianity and Antisemitism Defined
  Conclusion
    complete text is now online at:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
      (in the library)
  --
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         |
  |               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
  |    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33030
 Message-ID: <4gighn$qqr@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage)
 Subject: Re: The law
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  John Prosper (prosper@xi.cs.fsu.edu) wrote:
  : Joe N. Savage Jr. writes:
  : >If Christ in Matthew 5:18 that not one jot or tittle shall pass from the
  : >law till heaven and earth pass away, then why do most Christians not keep
  : >the laws?  Heaven and Earth are still here.  Also Paul said in romans 3:31
  : >that because of Faith we can now establish the law, not do away with it.
  : What makes you think they are Christians?
      Amen!  
  : The word `Lord' means `Master' or, more naively, `the One who
  : commands obedience.'  Yet many completely ignore the words of
  : Christ the Lord and blindly follow the teachings of their
  : pastor/denomination (their real god).
      Accountability is a "scary" thing but we are admonished to fear God 
  first so we really have no exuse for not obeying His Word.
  : It always strikes me as being so absolutely ridiculous whenever
  : I am accused of being legalistic for doing what God says while
  : my accusers hold themselves righteous for disobeying God, even
  : claiming they are covered (ie., protected) by the blood of
  : Jesus.
      The sinner trying to find justification outside of God's Law-Word 
  thinks he can justify himself.  Don't be intimidated by those who seek 
  after their own desires rather than God's.  Keep standing and great 
  collection of Scripture...
  : 	"But why do you call Me `Lord, Lord,' and do not do
  : 	the things which I say?"		Luke 6:46
  : 	"Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter
  : 	the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My
  : 	Father in heaven."			Matt 7:21
  : 	"If you love Me, keep My commandments."	John 14:15
  : 	"`These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
  : 	And honor Me with their lips,
  : 	But their heart is far from Me.
  : 	And in vain they worship Me,
  : 	Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'"
  : 						Matt 15:9
     For a complete index of Bible Law, go to the SFA WWW page at:
         http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/  (in the library)
  -- 
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         | 
  |               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
  |    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33034
 Message-ID: <4gighr$qr0@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage)
 Subject: Facts are Facts - re: Khazars
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  Available now by WWW from:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
  FACTS are FACTS -- the Truth about the Khazars
   
  "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" 
  (Galatians 4:16) 
   
  The historic facts revealed here for the first time provide 
  incontestable evidence that their continued suppression will prove 
  inimical to the security of the nation, the peace of the world, the 
  welfare of humanity, and the progress of civilization.
   
  A facsimile reproduction reprinted and typeset to meet the many 
  requests for a copy of the letter addressed to:
  DR. DAVID GOLDSTEIN, LL.D., of Boston, Mass.
  by its author
  BENJAMIN H. FREEDMAN of New York City
  Dated  October 10, 1954
   
     `DEDICATION'
   
  to all men of good will
  of all racial origins and
  of all religious faiths
   
  Knowledge is a collection of facts.
  Wisdom is the use of knowledge.
  Without facts there is no knowledge.
  Without knowledge there is no wisdom.
  Facts prevent what nothing can cure.
  Facts are Man's best defense mechanism.
  Without them men fumble, falter and fail.
  Without them nations decline and fall.
  Wisdom wins wars before they start.
  Knowledge aborts national hostilities.
  Wisdom obviates racial antipathies.
  Knowledge effaces religious animosities.
  Emancipation from bigotry prefaces peace.
  Intolerance takes all and gives nothing.
  Peace rewards reciprocal respect and regard.
  To all Men of Good Will, "Pax Vobiscum!"
         -  Benjamin H. Freedman
   
   
  TABLE OF CONTENTS:
   
  Introduction
  Jesus a Jew or Judean?
  Secondary Meaning of the word "Jew"
  Did Jesus practice Judaism? (Pharisaism)
  What is the Talmud?
  Role of the Talmud in Judaism Today
  Origins of today's self-styled "Jews"
  Jews and Christians Brothers?
  Judeo-Christianity and Antisemitism Defined
  Conclusion
    complete text is now online at:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
      (in the library)
  -- 
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         | 

 Article: talk.religion.misc.129192
 Message-ID: <4gi9t1$lal@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
 From: buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler)
 Subject: Re: Israel's Heritage Defined in F.A.Q.
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  In article , rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage) writes:
  >      If people want to know about the "Jews" role in Israel today they 
  > can read "Facts Are Facts" by a converted Jew - Ben Freedman. 
  Freedman is a pitiful liar. "Facts are facts" maintains, among other things,
  that the Greek word "Basileus" and the Latin word "Rex" do not mean
  "King". Before anyone believes one word Freedman says, they should take
  the trouble to look up "Basileus" or "Rex" in a Greek or Latin lexicon.
  The rest of his tripe is equally reliable.
   
  > : Oh, yes. Adam was white. The other races were created on the sixth day,
  > : along with the animals. Because Adam is to have "dominion" over the
  > : rest of creation, white people should rule over other skin colors.
  > 
  >     Adam was a servant.  Servants don't "rule over others" they serve.  
  > If they are not servants they can't hope to be "lights" to the world in 
  > Christ's Image.
  Rick, you are being disingenuous. What you believe is that the *way* whites
  "serve" the other races is by governing over them, isn't it? You are
  ashamed of your answers to the following questions, and want to mislead
  people about your views. In your opinion, should non-whites in the US be
  allowed to vote? Should they be allowed to hold office?
  You have persistently declined to answer those questions. That is because
  your real belief, which you prefer to hide from the light of day, is that
  non-whites should not have the vote, and should not be allowed any position
  of authority over whites.
  The gospel and deceit cannot co-exist. It follows that your teaching is
  not the gospel.
  >     This is an opinion.  Everyone has one, why should people believe 
  > yours and not form their own after they investigate the matter for 
  > themselves?  
  Observe that Rick does not disagree with the way I have characterized his
  beliefs. He just wants a chance to argue for them. Well, that's fine.
  Anyone who is seriously in doubt about whether it is a good thing for
  Christians to band together and kill off the Jews, is free to ignore my
  advice and "investigate" his poison.
  If you find his arguments convincing, come back here and argue them.
  Rick doesn't do that in public anymore. It is too easy to expose his
  tricks and errors. He wants people isolated from the Christian community,
  off in a corner where he can pour poison into their ears without fear
  of contradiction.
  -- 
  Royce Buehler	buehler@space.mit.edu	(617)-253-9766
    "Comme un fou se crois Dieu, nous nous croyons mortel"
  	-- Pierre DelaLande

 Article: talk.religion.misc.129203
 Message-ID: <4gierp$n40@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
 From: buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler)
 Subject: White Supremacists' Internet Campaign
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  If you follow the html trail on the web pages advertised by Rick Savage
  (One of the "Christian Identity" posters), you will find a document
  describing the strategy of Identity and other white supremacists groups
  to make the Internet into a recruiting tool.
        http://www.alaska.net:80/~schoedel/aryancorps/tactics.html
  I have previously made statements that I oppose censoring white supremacist
  or Identity views; they should be opposed with counter-speech.
  However, Identity and the others now have adopted an official common
  strategy, which is designed to *minimize* counterspeech. They themselves
  are acting to enforce a kind of prior constraint.
  They now use public speech *only* to rope people into private conversations.
  They will not debate their views except with "newbies". Here are some
  excerpts from the strategy paper.
  > * Except on "our" groups, avoid the Race Issue. Side-step it as much as 
  > possible. We don't have the time to defend our stance on this issue
  It will be their policy to hide their racial views from the public.
  > If a newbie or a lurker who seems sincere inquires about racial science, 
  > deal with them ONLY via e-mail.
  > * Avoid engaging in non-productive debates with enemy activists. 
  > Sophistry, the art of using false logic to make ridiculous ideas appear 
  > to be thoroughly sound, is our opponents' number one weapon. DENY THEM 
  > THEIR WEAPON! Deny them full use of their bag of dirty tricks by 
  > controlling the debate that ensues from our posts. Simple minded (not to
  > imply unintelligent) lurkers will be discouraged if they are confused by
  > sophistic gibberish -- which is of course why the Enemy uses that tactic. 
  > In some cases, you may want to "regulate" how widely your posts are 
  > distributed; when appropriate, manually cancel your posts to prevent 
  > unnecessary debate.
  Rick Savage, "Rev", and their ilk, despise having their real views known.
  They despise public debate. They despise free speech, and want speech to
  go on *only on their own terms*. In all this, they are carbon copies of
  their Nazi forbears.
  Now - let me open this question up for debate. Is there a way to counter
  their anti-open-speech campaign, short of censorship? Is there any way
  to protect the people they are trying to cut off from the herd and
  indoctrinate?
  We decent net citizens need our own strategy. Unlike the hatemongers, we
  can develop our strategies in public. The floor is open for suggestions.
  Permission is hereby given to copy this post, in full, to other newsgroups
  which white supremacists have penetrated.
  -- 
  Royce Buehler	buehler@space.mit.edu	(617)-253-9766
    "Comme un fou se crois Dieu, nous nous croyons mortel"
  	-- Pierre DelaLande

 Article: talk.religion.misc.129264
 Message-ID: <4giou0$g86@netaxs.com>
 From: nebarry@netaxs.com (Barry Hofstetter)
 Subject: Re: White Supremacists' Internet Campaign
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  Royce Buehler (buehler@space.mit.edu) wrote:
   
  : Rick Savage, "Rev", and their ilk, despise having their real views known.
  : They despise public debate. They despise free speech, and want speech to
  : go on *only on their own terms*. In all this, they are carbon copies of
  : their Nazi forbears.
   
  : Now - let me open this question up for debate. Is there a way to counter
  : their anti-open-speech campaign, short of censorship? Is there any way
  : to protect the people they are trying to cut off from the herd and
  : indoctrinate?
  : 
  : We decent net citizens need our own strategy. Unlike the hatemongers, we
  : can develop our strategies in public. The floor is open for suggestions.
   
  : Permission is hereby given to copy this post, in full, to other newsgroups
  : which white supremacists have penetrated.
   
   
   
  Royce, I believe you have already gone a long way towards a cure of the 
  problem.  The way to approach, this, I think, is to publicize their views 
  as much as possible.  Do they have web pages and BBS's which they don't 
  want the unitiated or the truly educated to visit?  Publish the URL's and 
  phone numbers!  With copywright laws being what they are these days, 
  snatch everything you can, post it in various forums, together with the 
  URL's, etc., so that people can check for themselves.  If they have 
  nothing to hide  then they should rejoice that their ideas are brought 
  into the public square.  If not, then too bad.  Let's force them into the 
  light so that people can see and judge for themselves.  Let's force them 
  into debate.
  Thanks for your recent exchange with me on homosexuality and the Bible.  
  Though we disagreed, your responses were a good model for how such debate 
  *should* be carried on in a news group.
  N.E. Barry Hofstetter
  "When you turn over a rock, some of the slugs always die"
  	-quoting myself, ca. age 8.

 Article: talk.religion.misc.129316
 Message-ID: <4gjer5$ht8@news3.digex.net>
 From: Larry Brown 
 Subject: Re: White Supremacists' Internet Campaign
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) wrote:
  >
  >If you follow the html trail on the web pages advertised by Rick Savage
  >(One of the "Christian Identity" posters), you will find a document
  >describing the strategy of Identity and other white supremacists groups
  >to make the Internet into a recruiting tool.
  >      http://www.alaska.net:80/~schoedel/aryancorps/tactics.html
  LB: I wouldn't even acknowledge others by the label, really, in the sense
  that knowledge of sin and death gives such a law its strength.
  >
  >I have previously made statements that I oppose censoring white supremacist
  >or Identity views; they should be opposed with counter-speech.
  >
  LB: In general, I agree.  Pinheads rebuking others for no other than their 
  responding needn't shave their heads to stick out like a sore thumb.
  >However, Identity and the others now have adopted an official common
  >strategy, which is designed to *minimize* counterspeech. They themselves
  >are acting to enforce a kind of prior constraint.
  >
  LB: Got no dispute with rational arguments tho.  But hired guns blowing
  smoke have been around for years.  (But hey, no need to take my word for it.)
  >They now use public speech *only* to rope people into private conversations.
  >They will not debate their views except with "newbies". Here are some
  >excerpts from the strategy paper.
  >
  LB: Today as a matter of fact I got...nevermind.  Private.
  >> * Except on "our" groups, avoid the Race Issue. Side-step it as much as 
  >> possible. We don't have the time to defend our stance on this issue
  >
  >It will be their policy to hide their racial views from the public.
  >
  LB: Actually, I don't see anything wrong with that at all.  Those focusing
  too much on color are blind to simply B&W.  Similarly, those seeing only B&W
  are gone the way of the Dog.
  >> If a newbie or a lurker who seems sincere inquires about racial science, 
  >> deal with them ONLY via e-mail.
  >
  LB: I agree, that's wimpy shit. Keep it public and on the up and up.  What
  harmless little worm doesn't sucker the big fish?   And this reminds me of 
  another...nevermind.
  >> * Avoid engaging in non-productive debates with enemy activists. 
  >> Sophistry, the art of using false logic to make ridiculous ideas appear 
  >> to be thoroughly sound, is our opponents' number one weapon. DENY THEM 
  >> THEIR WEAPON! Deny them full use of their bag of dirty tricks by 
  >> controlling the debate that ensues from our posts. Simple minded (not to
  >> imply unintelligent) lurkers will be discouraged if they are confused by
  >> sophistic gibberish -- which is of course why the Enemy uses that tactic. 
  >> In some cases, you may want to "regulate" how widely your posts are 
  >> distributed; when appropriate, manually cancel your posts to prevent 
  >> unnecessary debate.
  >
  LB: I've heard some talk about 150 E's a week.  Guess it's ok if you're
  retired...but personally, I DON'T HAVE TIME!  (Besides, most of the E I
  get is "automated" bilge anyway, thank God.)
  >Rick Savage, "Rev", and their ilk, despise having their real views known.
  >They despise public debate. They despise free speech, and want speech to
  >go on *only on their own terms*. In all this, they are carbon copies of
  >their Nazi forbears.
  >
  LB: No need to lose sense there.  Who really addresses to honestly


 Article: bit.listserv.christia.57833
 Message-ID: 
 From: Rick Savage 
 Subject: God's Law = God's Character
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  God's Law = God's Character
  God is Holy (Psalms 145:17); His law is Holy (Romans 7:12)
  God is Love (I John 4:8):  His Law is Love (Romans 13:10)
  God is Perfect (Matt. 5:48);  His Law is Perfect (Psalms 19:7)
  God is Spiritual (John 4:24); His Law is Spiritual (Romans 7:14)
  God is Righteous (Psalms 145:17); His Law is Righteous (Psalsm 119:172)
  God is Truth (Deut. 32:4);  His Law is Truth (Psalms 119:142)
  God is Good (Psalms 25:8);  His Law is Good (Romans 7:12)
  God is Everlasting (Gen. 21:33);  His Law is Everlasting (Ps. 111:7,8)
  God is Just (Deut. 32:4);  His Law is Just (Romans 7:12)
  God is Light (I John 1:5);  His Law is Light (Proverbs 8:23).
     Anyone who attacks God's Holy, Spiritual and Righteous Law is
  attacking God's Person and Character, since God's Law is His Character.
     When we are renewed by God's Spirit, God's Character (Law) is written
  on our hearts (Jer. 31:33, Hebrews 8:8-10).
     For a comprehensive index of God's Laws go to the SFA WWW page at:
         http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/   (in the Library)
  --
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         |
  |               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
  |    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33110
 Message-ID: <4gkl84$5i6@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage)
 Subject: God's Law = God's Character
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  God's Law = God's Character 
  God is Holy (Psalms 145:17); His law is Holy (Romans 7:12)
  God is Love (I John 4:8):  His Law is Love (Romans 13:10)
  God is Perfect (Matt. 5:48);  His Law is Perfect (Psalms 19:7)
  God is Spiritual (John 4:24); His Law is Spiritual (Romans 7:14)
  God is Righteous (Psalms 145:17); His Law is Righteous (Psalsm 119:172)
  God is Truth (Deut. 32:4);  His Law is Truth (Psalms 119:142)
  God is Good (Psalms 25:8);  His Law is Good (Romans 7:12)
  God is Everlasting (Gen. 21:33);  His Law is Everlasting (Ps. 111:7,8)
  God is Just (Deut. 32:4);  His Law is Just (Romans 7:12)
  God is Light (I John 1:5);  His Law is Light (Proverbs 8:23).
     Anyone who attacks God's Holy, Spiritual and Righteous Law is 
  attacking God's Person and Character, since God's Law is His Character.
     When we are renewed by God's Spirit, God's Character (Law) is written 
  on our hearts (Jer. 31:33, Hebrews 8:8-10).
     For a comprehensive index of God's Laws go to the SFA WWW page at:
         http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/   (in the Library)
  -- 
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         | 
  |               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
  |    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33111
 Message-ID: <4gkl85$5ia@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage)
 Subject: God's Law NOT Moses' Law
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  God's Law is NOT Moses Law
      Layman and ministers alike who do not "rightly divide the Word of 
  God" do violence to it by not understanding what law was ended at the 
  cross.  The carnal Mosaic law that was added because of transgression was 
  what Christ fulfilled and "nailed to the cross."  
      God's perfect, divine, moral law was not done away with as Christ 
  affirms in Matt. 5:17-19.  In fact Christ says that anyone who teaches 
  that it was would be called "least in the Kingdom of God."
     God's Law is called the "Law of the Lord" (Isaiah 5:24).
       The Mosaic Law Ordinances were called the "Law of Moses" (Luke 2:22)
     God's Law is the "Royal Law" (James 2:8)
       The Mosaic Law was a "Law contained in ordinances" (Eph. 2:15)
     God wrote His law on stone (Ex. 31:18; 32:16) and later on the hearts
     of men.  (Jer. 31:33, Heb 8:8-10)
       Moses Law was written by Moses in a book (II Chron. 35:12)
     God's Law was placed inside the ark (Exodus. 40:20)
       Moses Law was placed in the side of the ark.  (Deut. 31:26)
     God's Law will stand forever.  (Psalm 111:7-9, Luke 16:17)
       Moses Law ended at the cross (Eph. 2:15,16; Col. 2:14)
       "the ordinances that were against us."
     God's Law points out sin.  (Romans 7:7; 3:20)
       Moses law was added becuase of sin. (Gal. 3:19)
     God's Law judges all men.  (James 2:10-12)
       Moses Law judges no man.  (Col. 2:14-16)
     God's Law is spiritual.  (Romans 7:14)
       Moses Law was carnal.  (Hebrews 7:16)
     God's Law is perfect.  (Psalms 19:7)
       Moses Law made nothing perfect.  (Hebrews 7:19)
     For a comprehensive index of God's Laws go to the SFA WWW page at:
         http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/   (in the Library)
  -- 
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         | 
  |               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
  |    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33112
 Message-ID: <4gkl86$5ie@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage)
 Subject: Re: Was Matthew Anti-Semitic?
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  gb (jira@deepsouth.co.nz) wrote:
  : > : Regarding anti-Semitic verses stemming from the compiler of Matthew, I'd 
  : > : say that Mt 27:25 is definitely anti-Semitic, as it applies to Jews 
  : So now the Bible is anti-semitic? Ban the Bible?
      No, you don't have to band the whole Bible.  Just
  censor out those "offending" passages that are not
  kosher today like some French court just did recently.
  : So many reasoned articles on the theme of anti-jew or
  : anti-semitism are built upon an assumption that the
  : jews are descendents of Shem and/or that they are the
  : exclusive descendents of Shem. Why did the jews try to 
  : prevent the Israelites from rebuilding the temple?
  : What did Jesus mean when he told the Jews they were not 
  : his sheep but were of their father, the devil? Did Jesus
  : get it wrong? Shem certainly did not come from the devil.
  : Who knows who the semites really are these days? 
      It is rather easy to discover this if one just applies
  oneself.  If you need some help, try the Israel-Identity FAQ
  at:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
  : Who can 
  : prove that the common TV world news scenes burning the 
  : US flag combined with the expression Death to the Americans
  : is not anti-semitic racist expression?
      I don't understand this.  Perhaps burning the UN flag
  would be "anti-semitic racist expression" (in the popular
  definitions of these words).  
   
  : Are we now expected to deny the words of our Lord and Saviour, 
  : the everliving God, for fear of offending the jews?
       Nothing new under the sun it seems.  If Christians feared
  offending God as much or more than they fear offending "Jews"
  then we would be living in a society that would be decidedly
  more Christian.
  -- 
   _____________________________________________________
  |        Rick Savage, P.O. Box 5251, Denver, CO 80217-5251  (u)SA         | 
  |               SFA on WWW:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/                 |
  |    Melchizedek Vigilance:  http://www.tfsksu.net/~gaelic/melvig.html    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33126
 Message-ID: <4gl3dd$773@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: wrf3@mindspring.com (Bob Felts)
 Subject: Re: God's Law = God's Character
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  In article <4gkl84$5i6@netsrv2.spss.com>, rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage)
  wrote:
  | God's Law = God's Character 
  A logical fallacy if ever there was one...
  This is like saying:
    Stop signs are red;  Blood is red
  therefore Stop signs are blood.
  God's law reveals God's character, but God's law is not God's
  character.
  | 
  | God is Holy (Psalms 145:17); His law is Holy (Romans 7:12)
  | God is Love (I John 4:8):  His Law is Love (Romans 13:10)
  | God is Perfect (Matt. 5:48);  His Law is Perfect (Psalms 19:7)
  | God is Spiritual (John 4:24); His Law is Spiritual (Romans 7:14)
  | God is Righteous (Psalms 145:17); His Law is Righteous (Psalsm 119:172)
  | God is Truth (Deut. 32:4);  His Law is Truth (Psalms 119:142)
  | God is Good (Psalms 25:8);  His Law is Good (Romans 7:12)
  | God is Everlasting (Gen. 21:33);  His Law is Everlasting (Ps. 111:7,8)
  | God is Just (Deut. 32:4);  His Law is Just (Romans 7:12)
  | God is Light (I John 1:5);  His Law is Light (Proverbs 8:23).
  | 
  |    Anyone who attacks God's Holy, Spiritual and Righteous Law is 
  | attacking God's Person and Character, since God's Law is His Character.
  |    When we are renewed by God's Spirit, God's Character (Law) is written 
  | on our hearts (Jer. 31:33, Hebrews 8:8-10).
  And God's Law can be summed up in one word:  love.  So when God writes
  His Law into your heart, He is writing "love".
  So, tell us again, Rick, why you want to kill Jews, Blacks, Homosexuals,
  etc...
  __|_______
    | Bob Felts
    | wrf3@mindspring.com
    |

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33142
 Message-ID: <4gkkvc$5df@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler)
 Subject: Re: The law
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  In article <4gighn$qqr@netsrv2.spss.com>, rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage) writes:
  > 
  >    For a complete index of Bible Law, go to the SFA WWW page at:
  Mr. Savage knows less than nothing about Bible Law. He believes that the
  law of the bible commands:
     (1) Kill all the Jews
     (2) Kill all the homosexuals
     (3) Kill all those who will not 'acknowledge God as king' -
      which includes all those who do not agree to help him kill the
      Jews and homosexuals
     (4) Run all the black people out of the country.
  None of this vicious nonsense can really be found in the Bible.
  Further, Mr. Savage is committed to hiding his nastiest views from the
  public. That is not the way Christians behave. Christians are called
  to walk in daylight. We are always ready to discuss and debate, giving
  an answer for the hope that is in us. But Mr. Savage's web page includes
  advice to his fellow Identity "Christians" such as:
    "Except on 'our' groups, avoid the Race Issue. Side-step it as much
     as possible."
  and -
    "If a newbie or lurker who seems sincere inquires about racial science,
    deal with them ONLY via e-mail."
     "In some cases, you may want to 'regulate' how widely your posts
    are distributed; when appropriate, manually cancel your posts to
    prevent unnecessary debate."
    "Avoid crossposting your articles. Post each article individually to
     each newsgroup... This makes it more difficult for the Enemy ... to
     counterpost against us."
     "DO NOT EVER post a message that advocates or supports an illegal
     act or activity" (This warning is clearly necessary, because privately
     Identity advocates, and has carried out, armed robbery, murder, and
     terrorism. Their watchword is effectively: One - Two - Many Oklahoma
     Cities!) 
  Savage represents a group of professional haters, who are systematically
  deceitful about their beliefs and goals, who single out newbies for
  recruitment to their cause, and who do everything possible to make sure
  that no one gets a chance to rebut their lies in public.
  For a complete index of bible law, read the bible.
  -- 
  Royce Buehler	buehler@space.mit.edu	(617)-253-9766
    "Comme un fou se crois Dieu, nous nous croyons mortels"
  	-- Pierre DelaLande

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33143
 Message-ID: <4gkkvg$5dl@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler)
 Subject: Re: Facts are Facts - re: Khazars
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  In article <4gighr$qr0@netsrv2.spss.com>, rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage) writes:
  > Available now by WWW from:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
  > 
  > FACTS are FACTS -- the Truth about the Khazars
  >  
  > "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" 
  > (Galatians 4:16) 
  >  
  > The historic facts revealed here for the first time provide 
  The lies revealed here are the ones that have been spouted by antisemites
  for most of the century.
  Savage "reveals" that the Jews are not really Jews, are cursed by God,
  and yadda yadda.
  He has found it does him no good to post his lies on the newsgroups; because
  when he does the lies are refuted. So instead he hopes he can get some
  suckers to read his web page and swallow his guff, hook line and sinker.
  Can anyone think of a feasible way to amend the group's charter so that
  people cannot use the group to advertise hate propaganda which would
  never be permitted to be posted directly under the charter's current
  terms?
  (Hopefully some way which won't burden our esteemed moderator with too much
  extracurricular reading to determine the nature of the advertised locations)
  -- 
  Royce Buehler	buehler@space.mit.edu	(617)-253-9766
    "Comme un fou se crois Dieu, nous nous croyons mortels"
  	-- Pierre DelaLande

 Article: soc.religion.christian.bible-study.33155
 Message-ID: <4gknme$5u3@netsrv2.spss.com>
 From: wbenedet@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William P Benedetti)
 Subject: Re: Facts are Facts - re: Khazars
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  In article <4gkkvg$5dl@netsrv2.spss.com>,
  Royce Buehler  wrote:
  >
  >In article <4gighr$qr0@netsrv2.spss.com>, rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage) wri
  tes:
  >> Available now by WWW from:  http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
  >>
  >> FACTS are FACTS -- the Truth about the Khazars
  >>
  >> "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
  >> (Galatians 4:16)
  >>
  >> The historic facts revealed here for the first time provide
  >
  >The lies revealed here are the ones that have been spouted by antisemites
  >for most of the century.
  >
  >Savage "reveals" that the Jews are not really Jews, are cursed by God,
  >and yadda yadda.
  >
  >He has found it does him no good to post his lies on the newsgroups; because
  >when he does the lies are refuted. So instead he hopes he can get some
  >suckers to read his web page and swallow his guff, hook line and sinker.
  >
  >Can anyone think of a feasible way to amend the group's charter so that
  >people cannot use the group to advertise hate propaganda which would
  >never be permitted to be posted directly under the charter's current
  >terms?
  >
  Koestler's book is a very good book, not propaganda.
  Yair Davidy lists it as a reference in his book "The Tribes" in agreement with 
  the fact that most modern day Jews are descended from the Khazars.  He, in 
  turn, misquotes the Jewish Encyclopedia to say that the Khazars are descended 
  from the tribe of Simeon.  The Jewish Encyclopedia makes no such claim.

 Article: talk.religion.misc.129440
 Message-ID: <4gl6vf$aqe@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu>
 From: 6500lem@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Laurence Mailaender)
 Subject: Re: Israel's Heritage Defined in F.A.Q.
 Score: 100
 First 60 lines:
  In article <4gco4r$snk@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
  >In article , rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage) writes:
  >> 
  >>    Read the Israel-Identity F.A.Q. and discover Israel's true heritage.
  >I'll save you the trouble. Rick believes that "Israel" is identical to
  >"Belonging to the German, English, and kindred white European races".
  How ironic that Jesus of Nazareth wasn't one of these. You'd
  think that after appearing at Jerusalem he'd have walked straight
  to Europe.
  Isn't it amazing how one can completely misinterpret the Bible
  to suit one's own prejudices?
  -Laurence

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