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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
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Ian Lord  wrote:

>FUCK ALL YOU WHITE SHIT HEADS.  YOUR WOMEN ARE DILDO SUCKING SLUTS AND 
>YOUR MEN ARE FATHER-FUCKING FAGGOTS.

Don't beat around the bush ; tell us how you really feel.




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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
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Ian Lord  wrote:

>FUCK ALL YOU WHITE SHIT HEADS.  YOUR WOMEN ARE DILDO SUCKING SLUTS AND 
>YOUR MEN ARE FATHER-FUCKING FAGGOTS.

Don't beat around the bush ; tell us how you really feel.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Thu Oct  3 11:06:08 PDT 1996
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
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Subject: Re: Gargoyles & Illuminati
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 19:47:40 GMT
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>I was watching Gargoyles and Goliath was conversing with a man who said
>he part of the ILLUMINATI. Then he showed Goliath his logo and it was
>... a pyramid with an eye in it (exactly like the one on the back of the
>dollar bill) the gargoyles and the leader of the illuminati were friends
>completing a mission 

Geez, Walt Disney is really pushing it these days..
Have you seen their billboard? It has the Disney symbol, and the words
"This Time, There's No Escape!"




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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
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Subject: 'Oklahoma City: Day One'
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Volume One of our three part series entitled 'Oklahoma City: Day One'
is
now available and orders are being shipped.  

'Oklahoma City: Day One'

A Detailed Account of the Bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal
Building
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma April 19, 1995

By Michele Marie Moore, with a Foreword by William Cooper

Published by The Harvest Trust, P.O. Box 1970, Eagar, AZ 85925
                    Phone/Fax  (520) 333-5691

Copyright 1996 by The Harvest Trust, All Rights Reserved

ISBN 0-9653301-1-0

Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 96-77483

$29.95 + $5.00 P&H  Money Order only

640 pages thoroughly documented and sourced.

Officials claim the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building is a simple
open-and-shut case: that the bomber was an anti-government extremist
exacting revenge with a fertilizer bomb packed inside a Ryder truck.
The
media tells us that we must fear American patriots... and the Militia.

NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH!

In this monumental work, encyclopedic in scope and fully documented -
the
first of several volumes - you are taken on a journey which begins
with the
explosions and continues through the final dramatic rescue of the last
survivor.  The real story of the bombing is a mind-numbing account of
federal deceptions, media manipulation, witness intimidation, the
deliberate suppression and manufacture of evidence, the cruel
exploitation
of victims and their family members, attempts to destroy independent
investigations, and the government's efforts to conceal the
documentation
which reveals a foreknowledge of the pending disaster by many federal,
state, and local officials.

The true facts of the bombing bear no resemblance to the "official
story". 
The truth is shocking...

You must read 'Oklahoma City: Day One' or you will never really know
what
happened on April 19, 1995.  Every piece of evidence is fully
documented. 
Complete references are provided.  You will never put this book down
until
you have finished it... then you will return to it again and again.

'Oklahoma City: Day One' is but the beginning of a very long story...
blood
red, born in flames.

_____________________________________________________

Please send me a copy of 'Oklahoma City: Day One'.

I have enclosed a money order made payable to 'The Harvest Trust' for
$34.95 which includes $29.95 for the book and $5.00 for postage and
handling.

Physical address only please for UPS delivery.

Name  ________________________________________________

Address  ______________________________________________

City/State/Zip___________________________________________

Make check or Money Order payable to 'The Harvest Trust'.

Enclose check or Money Order for $34.95 and send to:

The Harvest Trust
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From dsale@users.southeast.net Tue Oct  8 14:23:55 PDT 1996
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
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Subject: Masons behind WACO/OKC(fwd)
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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:55:41 -0700
>From: Alan Russell 
>To: piml@mars.galstar.com
>Subject: piml] Scottish Right of Free Masonry
>
>        For those of you in the know, I have a couple of tips for you. The
>Waco incident was performed in Waco Texas, which just happens to be in the
>same town as the Capitol of the Southern Region of the Masonic Lodge. The
>Murrah Federal building? Guess who owned the property it was on? One guess
>only......  Gues what rank the Governor of Oklahoma has? Try "holder of
>the sceptor of the Scottish right!"  of free masons.... The highest rank
>for a "regional" Lord!
>
>When was the last time you heard the term regional? Find out where the
>term came from!
>
>
>
>
>When responding to me directly, set the priority button to "Highest"
>and be sure to type "Comments to you" in the subject line! This will
>asssure that your message is read first.
>
>LEARN ABOUT THE WAR EMERGENCY POWERS ACTS ON MY WEBPAGE:
>http://www.jetlink.net/~mystery/
>
>In HIS service,
>Alan Russell, suae potestate esse, an Private Christian
>Acting Cairman, Ojai Jural Society
>c/o General Delivery,
>Oakview Post Office
>Oakview, California Republic
>
>-   "We have staked the whole future of the American civilization, not
>    upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the
>    future...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves,
>
>    to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten
>    Commandments of God."                -- James Madison
>
>-  1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter
>   times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing
>spirits,
>   and the doctrines of devils.
>
>-  The Christian way of life, and the Christian philosophy is the best
>   religion I have ever seen!  Its a pity that the only ones who don't
>   believe in it are the Christians!
>					-- Gandi
>
>- "1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation
>   has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
>   efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future!"
>					--Adolf Hitler
>
>-  How ironic,  that we must become slaves to the vigilance of
>   protecting freedom in order to be free.
>                                        -- Me
>
>A note to those who are still UNITED STATES federal citizens:
>((((( Buchannan is out of it, Klinton is evil, Dole is his flunky,  )))))
>(((((     Harry Browne (libertarian or not) is the only step in the )))))
>(((((     right direction left!.... Put him in first, restore the   )))))
>(((((     Constitution, then deal with the other issues afterward...)))))
>
>Kill the Federal "Injustice" system, then the States "Municipal Courts",
>Disarm the FBI/Highway Patrol, RE-ARM the Lawfull Citizens, Put the
>Sherrif's back in control under Constitutional Laws, Restore Common
>Law Jury's (Per Article 7, Bill of Rights (American Constitution)) and
>the True magistrates (Justices of the peace, Article III, de jure
>American
>Constitution), constables (Not "Police State" officers), Institute
>THE SPOTLIGHT, MEDIA BYPASS, and THE AMERICAN'S BULLETIN
>as the National Newpapers, Investigate the Bad Apples in the CIA
>and prosecute them  for Treason!
>
>
>
>
>--------- End forwarded message ----------
>
>
>






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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
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Subject: NASA photographs 7000-mile UFO(fwd)
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CENTER OF ATTENTION NEWSLETTER #34  (2/4)
 
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NASA Photographs Huge UFO 
edited by Jason 
 
From: rich.boylan@24stex.com 
 
On January 30, the Alan Handlemann radio interview program on 
WRFX-FM, Charlotte, North Carolina featured a NASA scientist, Dr.
Bergrun, 
revealing that NASA's Voyager space probe of Saturn's rings took
photographs 
of an estimated 7000-mile-long elliptical-shaped craft orbiting in the
rings. 
Dr. Bergrun said that the portholes could actually be seen in the side
of this
huge spacecraft. Now, independent confirmation occurs in the February,
1996 
issue of "Science News" (V. 149, No. 5, p. 71),
where the Hubble Space Telescope was reported to have photographed a
large
elliptical non-satellite orbiting Saturn's rings in one photograph,
which 
disappeared from a follow-up photograph. Two other very big and very
bright 
orbiting objects were photographed 5/22/95 and 8/10/95, and
disappeared by
11/21/95. Dr. Bergrun believes that the elliptical craft is 
intelligently controlled. When asked why NASA had not managed to get a

photograph of the huge craft before, Dr. Bergrun said that "they have
a 
tendency to hide". The NASA scientist said that it appears that this
giant 
vehicle is doing something to Saturn's
rings, possibly exerting attraction. [Boyland's note: the "shepherd
moon"
effect?]
    When asked why NASA and other governmental agencies haven't
released this
information before, Dr. Bergrun answered that the 1958 Space Act
states that 
the public will be informed about results of space photos and data
only IF it 
is determined that such data is not a threat; and that a craft this
size
would be considered a threat, and would be deemed to have great
military
significance. As such, it would fall under the "top black-budget
military 
intelligence agencies". [ Boyland's note: Operation Right To
Know reports that an intelligence agency is in control of NASA now.] 
    Dr. Bergrun presents NASA's discoveries in a book, "The
Ring-Makers of
Saturn" (1996), which reportedly contains the NASA Voyager photograph
of this 
huge space vehicle orbiting in Saturn's rings.
 
- Rich Boylan 
 





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See also the following web site:

Leading Edge research has a bunch of stuff. they have a lot of stuff I
believe and a lot of just good old paranoid conspiracy stuff. 
you know the  http://www.cco.net/~trufax in case you didn't have it.

Note I haven't tested the site address yet but presume it is valid.

SEE BELOW FOR MORE INFO.

Brian Redman       | bigred@shout.net | ftp.shout.net
pub/users/bigred
Editor-in-Chief    | ---------------Phone:
217-356-4418----------------
Conspiracy Nation  |       "The perfect slave thinks he's free."

Hi Brian:

You wrote: 
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 17:44:50 -0400
>From: Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx
>To: bigred@duracef.shout.net
>Subject: Re: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 36
>
>Big Red,
>
>Ever hear of J.Z. Knight, living outside of the small town of Yelm
>Washington?  She calims to be a "Channeler" for Ramtha a 30,000 year 
old man.
(snip)
J.Z. Knight and her "spirit guide" were the ones featured in an expose

of the FAA sensitivity training scandal about three years ago.  A very

weird group which like Scientology seems to infiltrate high levels of
our society, in this case the FAA, with their beliefs.

>Also there is a group called Leading Edge Technology Research or 
>something like that headquartered in Yelm that I suspect is connected 
>to J.Z..   
(snip)
Leading Edge is Val Valarian, a friend of John Lear, son of Bill Lear.

A complicated story which may include some dis-information and general

conditioning of the fringe or suppressed info from within a sort of 
fifth column intelligence community group disgruntled with the current

direction of suppressed info on extra-terrestrials.  Given NBC's new 
fall prime time show "Dark Skies" one has to wonder if "they" are 
preparing the masses for something along the lines of what Leading
Edge 
puts out.  Some sources in cyberspace have claimed Valarian has CIA 
connections, but who doesn't in this nebulous domain.

>A wild eyed person, that I suspect is a Ramthite told me that the 
>Mormons are keeping "reptilian humanoids" under Salt Lake City and are 
>going to use them to take over the world.
(snip)

Before going to the subject of Mormons working with Reptoids under
Salt 
Lake let me share what can be confirmed quite simply.  One of the 
documents being circulated within this subject area and on the Leading

Edge web site comes from a source called Phil Schneider who claimed he

was the son of a well known German SS officer brought over to the US 
after WWII by the CIA to establish our intelligence operations.  From 
what info I have been able to glean and the operative word here is 
"glean", it appears that some of Schneider's statements are valid.  

The statements that I have checked include:

The shadow government has authorized and contracted for the 
construction of as many as 107,200 box cars with restraints for 143 
people each.  One company building these cars is located in Portland, 
OR called Gunderson, Inc.  I asked John Fischer to look into this if
he 
could and he obtained a phone number and spoke with someone there who 
acknowledged they built rail cars.  I subsquently have asked others to

photograph the construction so it can be coverted into gifs for the 
net.

I am attaching an htm file from Leading Edge's site which among other 
things discusses more of Schneider's claims, in particular, regarding 
the Denver International Airport.  As outrageous as his claims are, 
some of his information can be checked out such as the DIA item.  I
had 
a close colleague of mine photograph both the mural and sculpture in 
the Grand Hall of DIA.  Let me know if you want the gifs of the pics.

BTW Phil Schneider met an untimely and somewhat tortuous end in Jan 
this year.  Somebody clearly didn't want him talking.
 
>Please keep this anonymous as I don't trust these schizo's.
(snip)

While I agree there are a lot of crazies in the chaos of cyberspace I 
also think there are a number of well intentioned and logical people 
who may want to determine for themselves the origin of this weirdness.

Given the trend of alien programs following the lead of X Files I for 
one would welcome as many people as possible digging into this more 
thoroughly.  Who knows, it could become another CN Thread.

I seem to recall you had some problem receiving a htm file I sent once

before.  Let me know if you want this in text format instead.

Kindest regards,
Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx







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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
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Subject: Re: Modern Christians... (was god does not exist...)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:46:29 GMT
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>2)  Total acceptance of the Bible as the unaltered, unchanging word of
>god.

You are already wrong. 

The original text contained references to "YHWH" - not "God" or
"Lord".   "GOD" was used as a *VERB* in ancient Egypt and means "PAGAN
WORSHIP". "A-men" was an Egyptian god as well, so was amon, etc.
ANYONE can look this up. Your own Bible (as mine does) should tell you
in the back that the original text did not say "God" or "Lord". It is
in my concordance under TETRAGAMMATON and I am using the King James
version.

>3)  Turning a deaf ear and blind eye to science.  Evolution?  Can't be
>true because the bible says we were created.  The Flood?  Had to happen
>because the bible says so.  Never mind the geology!  Don't tell me
>about that "science" stuff, I'm a Christian!

Science will never point to the idea that we have a creator. It was
never meant to. There would never be a "New World Order", "End of
Religion" or anything else that is going to happen without it.
Science has been perverted throughout time as well. They tell you of
rocks carved in ancient times that could only be done with lasers of
today, and then they suggest that ETs could have done it.
I have news for them, they WERE DONE IN THESE DAYS, all of that BS was
and its is nothing more but to further advance their agenda.






From dsale@users.southeast.net Fri Oct 11 13:04:35 PDT 1996
Article: 97990 of alt.conspiracy
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Subject: Re: Linda Thompson: That lying, unfuckable bitch
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>>> Do you have any evidence that these invisible "black helicopters"
>>> have been used against the citizens of the United States in any way?

Washington Times, 6/6/96 reported that Black Helicopters performing
"Urban Warfare Training"  swept through Pittsburg in the middle of the
night and turned parts of the city into war zones. Reports from
witnesses said that the helicopters were lower than FAA regulations
would permit ; several  witnesses observed one demolishing a warehouse
; all in all, over 100 witnesses called in.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Sun Oct 13 10:32:37 PDT 1996
Article: 98562 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Dan Sale)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.org.un,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati
Subject: Black Helicopters/Internal War(FWD)
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> 
>  ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
>  Date:          Thu, 03 Oct 1996 18:38:59 -0700
>  From:          Robert Drake 
>  Organization:  Montauk Project
>  To:            skywatch@wic.net
>  Subject:       Re: (Fwd) Skywatch: Black Helicopters
>  
>  SKYWATCH Posted:
>   
>   ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
>   Date:          Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:51:29 -0400
>   To:            skywatch@wic.net
>   From:          Doug Parrish 
>   Subject:       Black Helicopters
>   
>   SKYWATCH:
>   
>   This morning, a few minutes before 7 a.m., NPR radio, broadcast over
>   WKAR-FM from East Lansing, Michigan aired a clip in which the
>   Secretary General of the United Nations, Butros-Butros Calley, was
>   heard making some off-hand remarks about UN soldiers stationed around
>   the world and a large number of the UN's black helicopters being
>   available. He jokingly said that he could be sitting around wondering
>   what to do with the UN soldiers and the black helicopters. He
>   evidently is completely aware of some kind of situation in which those
>   items are an issue of some magnitude.
>   
>   Did anyone out there hear more about this?
>   
>   DKP    (Continue down )
>   Doug,
>  This is not current information, but it may help as background material.
>  
>  I have corresponded with a person in the Detroit area who discussed what
>  was going on there.  He did not want me to forward the information with
>  his name on it.  He seemed somewhat concerned about the Black
>  Helicopters.  Since then, my hard drive failed so I cannot reproduce
>  what was written.  Until then, I took this whole affair as a joke.
>  
>  I picked up a book on the subject and have glanced at it.  I have 
>  included some information on the book below.
>  
>  Best regards,
>  
>  Bob Drake
>  
>  ************************************************************
>  
>  BLACK HELICOPTERS OVER AMERICA
>  Strikeforce for the New World Order
>  by Jim Keith
>   
>                     Black Choppers! 
>                     Movement of war material and troops! 
>                     Creation of "detention centers" around the country!
>                     Creation of a National Police Force! The surrender of
>                     U.S. military authority to the U.N.! 
>  
>  Even if only a small portion of these reports are true, the 
>  question is unescapable: Is our government preparing for a war which   
>  will be fought within the borders of the United States -- a war planned
>  to be initiated against the American people by the power hungry
>  internationalists? 
>  
>       What is the meaning of hundreds of unmarked Black Helicopter 
>       sightings throughout the United States? 
>       Why are foreign troops secretly moving war equipment across
>       America? What secret document did President Clinton sign, turning
>       over  control of our country's military to a foreign power? 
>       Why are emergency detention centers set up to house potentially
>       subversive American citizens still said to exist -- even after the
>       cancellation of the National Security Directives that created them?
>       Why do at least 470 significant National Emergency powers statutes 
>       remain on the books without time limitations -- collectively creating a
>       virtual permanent state of emergency? 
>       Why are less than 10% of FEMA employees, according to a 
>       Congressional investigation, even remotely engaged in anything having
> to
>       do with disaster relief? 
>  
>  These questions and more are answered by veteran researcher Jim Keith in
>  his explosive new book. Drawn from a wide variety of sources, Black
>  Helicopters Over America is the first book to explore the truth behind
>  the war within our borders! Jim Keith is also author of the bestseller
>  Casebook on Alternative 3, and editor of The Gemstone File (IllumiNet
>  Press, 1992) and Secret and Suppressed (Feral House, 1993). 
>  
>  http://www.illuminet.com/~ron/bhoatxt.html
>  
>  Steven L Wilson Sr . 
> 
> 






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Subject: Mondex Smart Cards, End of money(FWD)
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--FOWARDED MESSAGE--

One web page people here should monitor periodically is 
.  It is the web page for Mondex, the new 
electronic smart card that will replace paper money.  Here's the 
Mondex FAQ I captured from the Mondex WWW site:

[Image]

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     About Mondex

   * How does Mondex work?
   * What is a Mondex card?
     
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     Product Characteristics

   * Why has Mondex chosen a cash payment structure?
   * What about privacy?
   * What's the difference between Mondex and a cheque?
     
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     Social Issues

   * If Mondex replaces cash, won't that put poor people at a 
disadvantage?
     
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     Comparison with Competitors

   * What makes Mondex different?
   * What about competitors?
     
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     Mondex and Consumers

   * If my card is lost, or stolen, do I lose the money on it?
   * Can I take the card through Airport Security?
   * What happens if my card is damaged but still holds value?
     
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     Pricing

   * Will people be prepared to pay for Mondex?
   * What Mondex devices would I need to buy?
     
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     Mondex and Retailers

   * Why should retailers accept Mondex?
     
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     Security

   * How secure is Mondex?
     
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     Economic Issues

   * Will Mondex support the European Monetary Unit (EMU)?
     
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     Scheme Structure

   * How will the scheme be structured?
     
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     Mondex Suppliers

   * Which technology vendors are involved in the pilot for Swindon?
   * Are the manufacturers for Mondex restricted to those already
     commissioned?
     
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     Byte

   * What is the Byte trial?
     
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     UK Implementation

   * Who is implementing Mondex in the UK?
   * What is BT's involvement?
   * What are the UK launch plans?
   * Why was Swindon chosen as the pilot location?
   * Can people other than customers of NatWest and Midland banks get 
a
     Mondex card?


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About Mondex

How does Mondex work?

Instead of carrying notes and coins, Mondex consumers will carry a 
Mondex
Card, on which cash is stored electronically.

Because Mondex cash is electronic it can be transferred over a 
telephone
line.

Mondex cardholders can load money onto their cards at a new 
generation of
cash dispensers, payphones and homephones.

Mondex cardholders will be able to make payments wherever the Mondex 
sign
is displayed. All Mondex payments are simply transfers of value, just 
like
paying with ordinary cash. Shops and service providers have their own 
cards
on which Mondex value is accumulated, which can be paid into their 
bank
accounts as a bulk value at any time of the day or night via a Mondex
telephone.

Mondex also enables person-to-person payments. Using a Mondex wallet, 
two
cardholders can transfer cash between their cards. With a Mondex 
telephone,
person-to-person payments can be made across the world.

Mondex cards can store up to five currencies electronically.

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What is a Mondex card?

                               [Mondex Card]

The Mondex card is an integrated circuit (IC) card; a 'smart' card - 
a
normal plastic card with a small microcomputer 'chip' embedded in it.

This microcomputer has been programmed to function as an 'electronic 
purse'

The electronic purse can be loaded with 'value', which is stored 
until it
is used as payment for goods or services at retailers or service 
outlets
that participate. The current balance on the card can be checked 
simply by
inserting the card into a balance reader.

The electronic purse can also be locked using a personal code so that 
only
the card's owner can use the value on it or check the transaction 
log.

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Product Characteristics

Why has Mondex chosen a cash payment structure?

Within the global payments market cash accounts for approximately 90 
per
cent of all transactions. Cash dominates the global payments market 
because
it is the only product which delivers worldwide acceptance: instant 
and
unaccounted transfer of value without a third party being involved.

For both retailers and consumers, cash is the only means of 
immediate,
physical transfer of value. Other payment methods typically require 
some
form of clearing and settlement - impossible for private individuals,
impractical for small value payments and expensive for small 
retailers.

Mondex is an alternative to cash. It was developed to truly replicate 
the
core features of cash and to be a real alternative to traditional 
notes and
coins. Mondex has the potential for worldwide acceptance because 
value is
transferred instantly and between individuals without involving a 
third
party.

Individual Mondex transactions are not accounted through the banking 
system
- there is no need for PIN or authorisation at the point of sale, and
person-to-person payments can be made without the need for a third 
party.

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What about privacy?

In everyday use Mondex transactions are private, just like cash.

In addition to Mondex value ('cash'), cards also contain a 'purse
narrative'. The transaction log on the customer's card records the
narrative of the shop's card - thereby reminding the customer where 
they
have used their card.

Only a cardholder will have access to the statement entries on their 
card
which detail the most recent transactions. A cardholder will be able 
to
lock their card and prevent unauthorised access.

However, if the card is lost, a unique 16-digit identity number 
stored on
the chip, which will have been registered by a card-providing bank 
against
the personal details of the customer, may be used in order to return 
the
card to its rightful owner.

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What's the difference between Mondex and a cheque?

Mondex is cash.

Retailers will prefer the Mondex card because they receive the value
instantly - there is no need to wait for a cheque to clear.

Payment will be faster than with a cheque - there is no need for 
writing
out and bank card checking. So you can make small as well as large
purchases with your Mondex card.

When you go shopping or travelling there will be a higher limit 
available
for a transaction than with a cheque, up to 500 at the moment.

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Social Issues

If Mondex replaces cash, won't that put poor people at a 
disadvantage?

Mondex will be available to all sections of society, whether or not 
they
are creditworthy.

Cash will remain important to certain sections of society and an 
important
mechanism for spontaneous charitable donations.

But for events such as Live Aid many people might find it easier to 
send
money down the telephone line using Mondex rather than to pledge 
money and
then find a bank which is acting as a collecting agent the next day.

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Comparison with Competitors

What makes Mondex different?

Mondex is open and has no requirement for clearing - it is a payment 
system
with the potential to be accepted everywhere. It has been developed 
as an
alternative to traditional cash by allowing value to be received and
transmitted between parties who are unrelated other than through 
their
participation in the scheme, without the involvement of a third 
party.

Mondex has been designed to be a global payment system. International
interoperability has been catered for by the adoption of standards, 
in the
selection of the Mondex Brand and the employment of 
language-independent
ergonomics. This means that it will be as easy to use a Mondex card 
in a
shop in the UK as it will be to do so in Japan or India.

Mondex is designed to be multicurrency. It has been designed to 
operate in
any participating currency and each purse is designed to carry up to 
five
of the participating currencies at any one time.

Mondex has been designed to allow person-to-person payments, over a
telephone line or via an electronic wallet device.

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What about competitors?

Given the current widespread use of cash, the market for products 
such as
Mondex is huge and, given the huge cash market, there is room for 
more than
one player in this market.

We believe that the success of Mondex will lead to competitive 
products
being developed, but Mondex will be the first global alternative to 
cash on
the market and will prove to be the standard for future competitive
products.

>From a technical point of view, as long as other products fall in 
line with
relevant ISO standards, the global standard for Integrated Circuit 
cards,
customers will be able to use competing products in a 'common' 
terminal at
the retailer.

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Mondex and Consumers

If my card is lost, or stolen, do I lose the cash on it?

If you lose your card, or if it is stolen, the value is lost - just 
as it
would be if you dropped a ten-pound note.

Mondex allows cardholders to lock their card, preventing other people 
from
spending the cash on it.

This might enable banks to operate a return and reward system, and 
increase
the chances of the return of cards to their rightful owners (where 
they can
be identified); something that could never happen with a lost 
ten-pound,
hundred-franc or thousand-peseta note.

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Can I take the card through Airport Security?

Yes. Mondex complies with ISO specifications in the area of card
reliability, and with the harsher GSM specifications for protecting 
mobile
telephones in everyday use. Mondex chips have been designed to 
withstand
normal extremes of cold and heat, damp, X-rays or electrical 
interference.

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What happens if my card is damaged but still holds value?

If, for any reason, value is lost under normal environmental 
conditions,
the cardholder can contact the issuing bank who will validate the 
claim and
reimburse the value.

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Pricing

Will people be prepared to pay for Mondex?

Market research with over 5,500 consumers in eight countries 
indicates that
people are prepared to pay for the significant advantages that Mondex
offers.

Mondex is convenient - Mondex is easier to carry than cash. With 
Mondex you
always pay the exact amount, without any need for change. 
Transactions
using Mondex are faster than any other method. You can obtain 
electronic
cash using Mondex at any time from an ATM or by telephone.

Mondex is flexible - Mondex is suitable for any value of transaction,
unlike other payment methods, which may be appropriate only in 
certain
situations (for example, credit cards and cheques may be seen as 
suitable
only for larger payments). With Mondex you can pay in person or 
remotely
using the telephone. No other form of payment, except cash, has the 
same
ability as Mondex to make immediate person-to-person payment.

Mondex allows you control - With Mondex you can see how much money 
you
have. You can spend only what you have and do not risk of incurring 
debt.
With Mondex you can keep track of how much you have spent and where.

Mondex is secure - Mondex allows you to lock your 'electronic purse' 
with a
personal code to prevent unauthorised use.

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What Mondex devices would I need to buy?

To use Mondex as a consumer you only require a Mondex card. It is
anticipated that all cardholders will also want to have a balance 
reader.
The balance reader will enable the cardholder to see the balance on 
their
card at any time.

The holder of a Mondex card will be able to load the card with value 
at
ATMs or using a public telephone and spend the value at participating
retail outlets. Cardholders will also be able to lock and unlock the 
value
on their cards.

Cardholders will be able to make person-to-person payments to a third 
party
who has a Mondex wallet or a Mondex telephone.

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Mondex and Retailers

Why should retailers accept Mondex?

Mondex will bring many benefits to retailers:

   * Mondex will improve efficiency and customer service, because 
there
     will be no need to give change or wait for 
authorisation/signatures at
     the point of sale - so transactions will be faster.
   * Mondex will improve security and reduce risk of loss, because
     retailers will be able to transmit value to their bank at any 
time of
     the day or night as often as they wish. POS terminals can be set 
to
     'receive only', so that Mondex value cannot be paid out of the 
purse
     in the terminal without a lock code being entered. This will 
reduce
     pilfering.
   * Mondex avoids the cost associated with cash and cheque handling 
-
     reconciliation, custody and transportation.
   * Mondex will improve control because more information about
     transactions and sales value can be retrieved more quickly. In
     addition, Mondex makes it easier for retailers to balance their 
tills.
   * Mondex is guaranteed value and does not require any checking or
     verification, unlike paper money, which is threatened by the
     possibility of counterfeits.

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Security

How secure is Mondex?

IC cards offer a high level of protection against software attack and
protection against physical attack or re-engineering. They also offer 
scope
for considerable enhancement as technology advances.

Each time a Mondex card is used the chip generates a unique 'digital
signature' which can be recognised by the other Mondex card involved 
in the
transaction. This unique signature is the guarantee that the cards 
involved
are genuine Mondex cards and that the transaction data is unmodified.

The security will be frequently changed so that fraudsters or hackers
intending to target Mondex will find a fast-moving zig-zagging target 
that
will make their efforts to break it unrewarding. By continually 
changing
and increasing the complexity of the development program Mondex is 
designed
to stay ahead of increasingly sophisticated criminals. The complexity 
of
this security is so great that we believe it will not be economically
viable for even highly organised crime to break it.

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Economic Issues

Will Mondex support the European Monetary Unit (EMU)?

Mondex has been designed to operate in any currency. This could 
include the
(European Monetary Unit) EMU if it becomes legal tender.

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Scheme Structure

How will the scheme be structured?

A number of participants will be involved in the Mondex scheme.

Mondex International- will have an exclusive licence from NatWest 
Bank of
the Mondex intellectual property rights (IPR) in order to develop the
Mondex scheme and will licence participants to use the IPR and the 
Mondex
Brand to exploit Mondex through a series of Franchise Agreements.

Franchisees - banks, or an entity owned and controlled by one or more 
bank,
will have the right and obligation to manage, promote and exploit 
Mondex in
its specified territory.

Manufacturers - manufacturers will be licensed by Mondex 
International to
produce Mondex equipment for supply to any Mondex scheme participant 
or to
third parties. Mondex equipment will be subject to type approval to 
ensure
compatibility with Mondex specifications.

Merchants and other service providers - acceptors of Mondex 
electronic cash
as payment for goods and services.

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Mondex Suppliers

Which technology vendors are involved in the pilot for Swindon?

Devices for the Mondex launch in the UK are initially being developed 
by:

   * AT&T Global Information Solutions (formerly known as NCR) - cash
     machines
   * British Telecommunications plc (BT) - residential telephones and
     payphones
   * Dai Nippon Printing Co. Ltd/SPOM Japan Co. Ltd - cards
   * De La Rue Fortronic - retailer terminals;
   * General Information Systems Ltd. - electronic wallets
   * Hitachi Ltd - a wide variety of devices and integrated circuits. 
Full
     details are available from the Hitachi Mondex Web site.
   * Oki Electric Industry Company Ltd - electronic wallets
   * Panasonic (Matsushita Electric Industrial/Matsushita Battery) -
     electronic wallets and personal balance readers

However, the list of potential device manufacturers is not restricted 
to
those already commissioned.

The full range of organisations associated with Mondex is detailed in 
the
Mondex File.

Bona fide manufacturers interested in the Mondex specifications may 
obtain
information by applying to Mondex.

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Are the manufacturers for Mondex restricted to those already 
commissioned?

No.

In 1994 NatWest released the following specifications to 
manufacturers
interested in producing Mondex devices.

   * IFD (Interface Device) - Purse Application Interface 
Specification -
     This covers the interface between a Mondex card and any device
     offering Mondex functions. The specification defines the 
commands to
     which a card will respond and refers to the relevant 
international
     standards covering general communications to and from IC cards.
   * Introduction to Mondex Purse Operation - This is a companion 
document
     to the above. It provides an overview of the Mondex card and its
     interface with a Mondex device.
   * The Mondex Brand Manual - This document defines the permissible
     implementations of the Mondex brand.

Other specifications will cover the communications between two 
interface
devices, the user-interface standards designed to ensure 
user-friendly
product design and the card specification.

Manufacturers interested in Mondex specifications should contact 
Mondex
directly.

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Byte

What is the Byte trial?

The Byte trial was the first test of Mondex in a live environment.

One of NatWest's major computer centres, Goodmans Fields in London, 
was
chosen as the test environment.

Approximately 6,000 NatWest staff were issued with cards to be used 
in the
centre's restaurants, coffee bars and shop - in total, twelve points 
of
sale. The NatWest branch in the same building, which operates three 
ATMs
and several counter terminals to allow staff to load their cards, 
also
participated in the Byte trial.

The trial has been very useful to NatWest, both in measuring customer
reactions and in testing the reliability of the technology. By the 
end of
1994 more than 1 million purchases had been successfully been made 
using
the technology.

Market research undertaken in Goodmans Fields has shown that people 
who
used the card found it more convenient and quicker to use than cash.

And key elements that people wanted added to Byte have been 
incorporated
into Mondex, including:

   * The facility to lock the card.
   * Provision of a simple portable device to enable them to read the
     balance on the card.

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UK Implementation

Who is implementing Mondex in the UK?

NatWest has joined forces with Midland Bank to purchase the Mondex
franchise in the UK.

The two banks have established a joint venture company, called Mondex 
UK
Limited.

Together with BT, the banks will be responsible for the pilot being
undertaken in Swindon and eventual national rollout of Mondex.

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What is BT's involvement?

BT is developing and supplying home telephones, public payphones and
retailer phones that provide Mondex functionality for the Swindon 
pilot.

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What are the UK launch plans?

3 July 1995: MONDEX LAUNCHED - READ ALL ABOUT IT

A high-street newspaper vendor in the UK made history today when he
officially became the first person to exchange goods for electronic 
cash.

Don Stanley, 72, parted with a 28p newspaper in return for 'cash' 
stored in
the microchip in his customer's Mondex card.

The simple transaction marked day one of a pilot in Swindon, 
Wiltshire, the
first step in the introduction of a global alternative to cash.

>From now on, Swindon's shoppers will be able to pay for goods and 
services
at outlets - from corner shops to department stores - without having 
to
worry about breaking into 20 notes or fiddling with small change.

Mondex has been developed jointly by the NatWest and Midland Banks 
and BT,
and is being heralded as one of the biggest breakthroughs in money 
since
the introduction of cash machines in the 1970s.

Mondex is based on the electronic storage of money on a plastic smart 
card.
It can be used to pay for goods and services in the same way as notes 
and
coins, and the 'cash' can be transferred from one card to another, or 
to
and from a bank account, using a range of Mondex devices or 
compatible BT
phones.

Unlike transactions using credit or debit cards, Mondex transactions 
do not
involve authorisation or signatures and there is no chance of 
incurring
debt because users can spend only what is available on their card.

The Swindon pilot is set to last up to two years and is expected to 
involve
up to 40,000 consumers and 1000 retailers.

Mondex UK Chairman, Tony Surridge, said:

     "We're updating a form of payment which has been around for
     thousands of years. And whilst Mondex is essentially the same as
     cash, we've been able to add in a few important improvements -
     such as being able to send or receive money down a phone line."

Ken Howes, Head of Group Card Development at Midland Bank, said:

     "Although we expect the Swindon pilot to herald a 'less-cash'
     rather than a 'cashless' society, we believe that people will
     find Mondex extremely convenient and will use it as they use 
cash
     now."

Geoff Finch, BT's director of Card Services, added:

     "The ability to transfer cash over the telephone is a
     revolutionary development in the history of money and
     telecommunications."

Swindon was chosen for the pilot as it has a population profile that 
is
representative of the UK and has a wide retail and commercial base.

Beyond the pilot, Mondex will be extended across the UK and
internationally. The Bank of Scotland has already agreed to 
participate in
the scheme on a national level, The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking
Corporation Limited has purchased the rights to Mondex in the Far 
East, the
Royal Bank of Canada and Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce have 
purchased
the rights to Mondex in Canada, and ten leading banks in Australia 
and New
Zealand have purchased the franchises for Australia and New Zealand.

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Why was Swindon chosen as the pilot location?

Swindon (a large town in South West England, 70 miles from London) is
playing a leading role in the introduction of Mondex in the world.

The town, of some 190,000 citizens, is recognised as one of the UK's 
most
progressive commercial environments - and has successfully attracted 
a wide
range of major companies including Intel, Rover and British 
Aerospace.

Shoppers in Swindon can choose from over 700 participating retailers,
including the majority of the High Street Names.

For market research purposes the demographic profile of Swindon 
consumers
is very similar to the UK national average.

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Can people other than customers of NatWest and Midland banks get a 
Mondex
card?

Yes. Both Midland and NatWest are able to offer the Mondex service to
customers of other banks.

The early emphasis is to recruit cardholders from amongst their own
customer bases as a start, including the offering the service to 
members of
customers' immediate families, even though they may not hold a direct
account relationship.

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From dsale@users.southeast.net Mon Oct 14 22:59:22 PDT 1996
Article: 99426 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Danny Sale)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: USC Brain Chips
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 02:25:45 GMT
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>Impossible. It could never happen.

Gee, thanx for clearing it all up for us.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Mon Oct 14 22:59:23 PDT 1996
Article: 99494 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Danny Sale)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: If Clinton wins - Goodbye USA
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>Hello New World Order!

If Dole wins, we will have two 33 degree Freemasons in control of the
country. There will be a period that Dole seems okay ; I assure you it
will pass. You will be begging for Clinton back. 
I ASSURE YOU.





From dsale@users.southeast.net Tue Oct 15 11:06:50 PDT 1996
Article: 99754 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Danny Sale)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: If Clinton wins - Goodbye USA
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>another moron who listen to art bell and limbaugh and thinks he knows
>something we don't know...

Bell and Limbaugh are both liars.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Fri Oct 18 10:03:41 PDT 1996
Article: 100634 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Danny Sale)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Black Mothership orbiting Earth?
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:55:23 GMT
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>I didn't think much of it until I heard Ted Koppel ask Louis Farakkan about
>it on Nightline.  Mr. Farakkan claims that this is prophecized in the book
>of Ezekiel and that the government is aware of this ship but is hiding it
>from the world.  Mr. Farrakan claims Jimmy Carter knew about it.

It is a bunch of hogwash. Mr. Farakkan has made the claim that the
ENTIRE white establishment is covering this up. And, this had been
around for some time.  I was watching some old P-FUNK and PARLIAMENT
(disco, funk, whatever, old) music videos, and some depicted the
mothership coming down. It is probable they think their is validity in
this because people have written about it for ages.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Fri Oct 18 18:30:00 PDT 1996
Article: 100874 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Danny Sale)
Newsgroups: alt.government.abuse,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Black 'copters DO exist. . .here's undeniable proof.
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>: >The "demolished" warehouse was in fact a former brewery (that's been
>: >closed for some years). With the owners prior permission, Delta Force

Don't make me get into Delta Force. That is a whole other subject. I
dont know if they still do, but at one time they possessed
unbelievable technology.

>: For example.  The UN/Bilderbergers/Alien/Tri-Lateral Commission/Rabid
>: Boy Scout crowd decides that Jane Doe (names have been changed to
>: protect the mentally challenged) needs to be taught a lesson.  At 0100
>: (a.m.)  they turn on their HAARP project and beam special anti-SEP
>: rays into her bedroom 

This has happened and I have a paper written about it.  Alot of
studies have been conducted independantly on people who have a large
amount of 'unvoluntary brain traffic', people who are depressed, and
people who hear voices. The results showed that a 1080-MHZ signal
(which can also be found at HAARP) was being directed at this
particular girl. A 435-MHZ signal was also found, which is what was
also used at Montauk.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Sun Oct 20 11:01:06 PDT 1996
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>he will be there

I SAW HIM!@





From dsale@users.southeast.net Sun Oct 20 11:01:07 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.government.abuse,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Black 'copters DO exist. . .here's undeniable proof.
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>435 Mhz?  If thats true, the real culprits behind all this stuff are 
>actually HAMS! Thats a frequency in the 70cm amateur band! 

You apparently know nothing about the differences between signals and
frequencies. I suggest you put your scanner down and research
electromagentic waves, etc. 




From dsale@users.jaxnet.com Mon Oct 21 17:57:49 PDT 1996
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From: dsale@users.jaxnet.com (Danny Sale)
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Subject: Re: Child pornography solicitation - has anyone received them?
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It seems alot of people in the patriot community have recieved this. I 
believe it is a sting operation that will ultimately link patriots to 
pedophiles. Think about seeing on the 6 o'clock news : "We found 
pedophilia MATERIAL in his e-mail box." 
And even if they said 10 days later "He has no connections with 
pedophiles" , noone would hear it, and their work would be done.



From dsale@users.jaxnet.com Tue Oct 22 08:37:58 PDT 1996
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It seems alot of people in the patriot community have recieved this. I 
believe it is a sting operation that will ultimately link patriots to 
pedophiles. Think about seeing on the 6 o'clock news : "We found 
pedophilia MATERIAL in his e-mail box." 
And even if they said 10 days later "He has no connections with 
pedophiles" , noone would hear it, and their work would be done.



From dsale@users.southeast.net Tue Oct 22 23:22:30 PDT 1996
Article: 102256 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dsale@users.southeast.net (Danny Sale)
Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: 'Its the end of the world as we know it'
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>Has anyone read the quatranes of Nostradamus?  Do you believe in his prediction
>that World War III will be upon us towards the end of 1997?

Ive read alot of Nostradamus. I'll say that if the current Pope dies
soon, we have a problem.



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Subject: Are you on the 'Bad People' List?(FWD)
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--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
From: jwhitley@inforamp.net (John K. Whitley)
To: 
Subject: U.S. Militia contacts....
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:54:26 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <199610172054.QAA15695@mail.inforamp.net>


A NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE Advisory:

We are sending out this extremely useful list to warn our 
readers.

BE CAREFUL! The people listed below reportedly believe in
the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the rule of
law, the Republic, and the supremacy of "We, the people..."   

If you come into contact with them, you may find any
disposition you have toward these views immeasurably
strengthened. You may even find your "patriotism" deepened.

BE WARNED! Your government does not look with favour
upon these "parochial", "anachronistic", and "chauvinist"
views in that they impede the nation's progress toward
the sunlit uplands of the glorious New World Order.
Indeed, holding such views sufficiently strongly may
be sufficient to have you deemed "a terrorist."

Just in case you might accidentally dial one of 
these phone numbers, or mistakenly send an innocent
enquiry to one of these addresses, print off this list
of names and addresses and stick it on your 'fridge door. 
Then, if a government agency comes calling in the middle 
of the night, or surrounds your "compound" and threatens 
to burn it down because you've been reading your Bible 
inside, you'll be able to call and invite some 
of these folks to come over and see how gentle and kindly
the government actually *is* when it visits, unexpectedly.

You may want to even call beforehand, just to ensure that
you have the correct number and that your phone is working
okay. And, since you *are* calling, you may want to ask for 
further information just to verify to your own satisfaction 
that these folks actually believe in the aforementioned
ideas to the point of being willing to actively defend them.

This may then require a later face-to-face meeting, for 
further clarification. Then perhaps discussion with your
friends and relatives. And even the formation of a local
"study group." 

Be sure to print off some copies for your friends, too!

                  John Whitley, Editor
          NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
                     
_________________forwarded message________________________

>Return-path: 
>Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:51:50 -0400
>From: RWelsh5128@aol.COM
>Subject: Friends list...
>
>Here is a list of militia contacts that was compiled by a group that is
>called, Stop the Hate. They run a really good web page listing several
good
>patriot links. URL is
>
>http://www.tcac.com/%7Esteveb/bizarre.html
>
>This is interesting. We can use all the help from the enemy that we can
get.
>This information came under the title. Nice to know that these folks are
>willing to do some of the Internet Legwork for us..
>
>DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ? The premise is that all of the people
>listed here are evil militia folks. Sheesh..
>
>
>ALABAMA
>Alabama Militia, P.O. Box 2, Attalla, AL 35954 (205) 547-5081 FAX: 594-5889,
>Mike Kemp
>Central Alabama Militia, Capt. John Hassey, Public Information Officer,
(334)
>567-7032, FAX
>(334) 567-9521, e-mail: jhcapt@aoI.com
>jgibson784~aol.com, Jeff Randall, Rt I, Box 182, Gallant, AL 35972,
(205)
>570-0638, e-mail:
>jrandi0682@aol.com
>ARIZONA
>Sovereign Citizens Movement, The People of the State of Arizona, Steve
>Porack, (602)
>870-9791, FAX (602) 978-2312
>Militia of Arizona Regulars, Bob McNary, Beeper: (602) 210-3740
>Maricopa, Ernest Hancock, 4700 N Central #210, Phoenix, AZ 85012, (602)
>375-0060, FAX
>(602) 265-1811, e-mail:safe@indirect.com
>Dean Pleasant, 5640 Mission Lane, Glendale, AZ 85302, (602) 937-4406,
FAX
>(602)435-2788,
>e-mail: safe@indirect.com
>Yavapai County Militia, Eric Frizzel, %15568 S. Black Mtn Rd, Mayer, AZ
>86333, (602)
>632-8046, (602) 407-8236
>Arizona Constitutional Militia, Sheila M Reynolds, PO Box 601,
Cornville, AZ
>86325, (520)
>634-9269, FAX (520)634-1486
>Apache, William Cooper, PO Box 3390, St Johns, AZ 85936, FAX (602) 337-2524
>ARKANSAS
>Unorganized Militia Affiliate, Boone, US Militia, PO Box 95, Alpena, AR
72611
>Hempstead, Leonard Ramirez, PO Box 217, Blevins, AR 71825, (501) 874-2651
>CALIFORNIA
>San Diego Militia, John Wallner, PO Box 12361, La Jolla, CA 92039, (619)
>578-3269, FAX
>(619) 578-5224, e-mail: militia@tomlinson.com
>Greg Farber, Voice & FAX (213) 930-0077, (213) 930-0076, Voice & FAX
(213)
>930-2159,
>BBS:592-04640, , , ,22, PGP Key Available
>Alameda County Free Militia, Lary lmanyuel, Secretary, Alameda County Free
>Militia,
>manuel@stat.berkeley.edu, (510) 548-5238
>Santa Cruz Citizen's Brigade, PO Box 1525, Freedom, California, (408)
>458-8518, e-mail:
>plear@netcom.com
>Monterey, Cary Browne, (408) 622-9222, FAX (408) 622-9226, e-mail:
>pcdan@pdatasys.win.net,
>Tudlumne, Mike Bonner, Box lI90, Jamestown, CA 95327, (209) 984-3912,
e-mail:
>mikeb@mlode.com
>COLORADO
>Guardians of American Liberty (GOAL), National Militia Information
Service,
>David Jasperson,
>PO Box 1774, Broomfield, CO 80038, e-mail: djasperson@aol. com
>Bob Moore, 980 Kelley Rd, Woodland Park, CO 80863, (719) 540-4379
>CONNECTICUT Military Studies Group, 1131-0 Tolland Tpke, Suite 124,
>Manchester, Conn.
>06040, (203) 645-1736 M-F (8-10 PM) Listed in 1992 catalog as a Training
>Facility.
>Blue Trail Range, "Non marching" meets regularly at the Blue Trails
range,
>316 North Branford Rd,
>Wallingford, CT 06492, 203-269-3280
>DELAWARE
>Andrew Brown, PO Box 163, Smyrna, DE 19977, Voice & FAX: (302) 653-7260
>FLORIDA
>The Highlanders, Florida State Militia 7th Regiment, Dan Strickland,
(904)
>271-4070
>CONGRESS OF FLORIDA MILITIAS, 3745 Racker Hwy, Winter Haven, FL, (813)
>293-3197
>Bay, Jack Shoulder, Stephen Mahan, 1st Brigade NW Florida Militia, PO
Box
>1332,
>Youngstown, FL 32466, (904) 769-6554 Dan Strickland, Panama City, FL,
(904)
>271-4070,
>(904) 271-0650
>Escambia, Alligator Brigade, 802 Dominguez St, Pensacola, FL 32505, (904)
>434-2642, FAX
>(904)433-8951, PAGER (904) 435A608
>Dot Bibee, 8517 Matador Camino, Pensacola, FL 32507, FAX (904) 453-3656,
>e-mail: dorotl
>7441 @aol.com
>Highlands, David Paine, PO Box 1777, Avon Park, FL, Voice & FAX (813)
>453-9589, Martin,
>Bob Pummer, Stuart, FL, (407) 287-6012, FAX (407) 287-5970
>GEORGIA
>111th North Georgia Militia, Frank Smith, Charles D Prescott Ill, 182
>Bethelem Church Rd,
>Dublin, GA, 31021-9748, FAX (912) 627-3309
>HAWAII
>Gregory Bates, 95-2048 Waikalani PI D-301, Mililani, HI 96789, (808)
>623-9640, FAX (808)
>624-3861
>IDAHO
>United States Militia Association, Samuel Sherwood, 17 S. Cleveland,
>Blackfoot, ID 83221
>ILLINOIS
>Northern Illinois Minutemen, Public Information Officer, contact: Del,
(815)
>886-5052, or Larry
>Vandewalle, 205 E. Nebraska St, Elburn, IL 60119, (708) 365-2774,
e-mail:
>Iarryv@popmaiI.mcs.net
>John D Wentworth, 402 W Tanglewood, Arlington Heights, IL 60054, (708)
>577-4411, (708)
>437-3779 (W)
>INDIANA
>Jim Redding, 1001 5 Lombard, Evansville, IN 47714, Voice & FAX (812)
477-9928
>Tom Pitts, RR 1 Box 197, Carthage, IN 46115, (317) 345-2500
>Ralph & Lee Delclef, Plainfield, IN, (317) 839-3263, FAX (317) 839-3423,
>e-mail: soveriegnl
>@aol.com
>IOWA
>Paul Stauffer, Box 10591, Cedar Rapids, IA 52410, (319) 373-3015, FAX
(319)
>377-6417,
>e-mail: patriot@netaxs.com
>KANSAS
>Brad Glover, PO Box 3l, Towanda, KS 67144, (316) 541-2535, FAX & BBS:
(316)
>536-2610
>Marion Latiolais, 331 E 1st St, Lyons, KS 67554
>Scott Behnke, 4009th St, Genesco, KS 67444
>KENTUCKY
>Western Region
>Jesse Horn, West Kentucky Committee of Safety, PO Box 1716, Henderson, KY
>42420, FAX
>(502) 826-0950
>LOUISIANA
>MAINE
>Maine Militia, Bob Celeste, PO Box 5210, Biddeford, ME 04046, (207) 283-4714
>Waldo, Malcolm Page, (207) 338-4711, FAX (207) 338-2614
>Malcolm Bryant, (207) 338-2288, FAX (207) 338-2614
>York, Ken Gomes, 83 Hill St, Saco, ME 04072, (207) 283-4714, (207)
282-3637,
>e-mail:
>kgomes@river. biddeford.com
>MARYLAND
>MASSACHUSETTS
>Leroy Crenshaw, 36 Willow Brook Dr, Springfield, MA 01129, (413)
783-0101,
>FAX (413)
>783-0061
>MICHIGAN
>Michigan Militia Corps, (616) 548-4867
>MICHIGAN MILITIA, State Communications Center, 261 Heacock Rd, Habor
Springs,
>Ml
>49740, Attn: Col. Ken Adams, (616) 526-3900, (616) 526-9397, FAX BACK
(616)
>526-9878
>ext 7
>Northern Region, Norman Olson, (616) 548-4867
>Southern Region, Roy McClellan, 26026 Barrington, Madison Heights, Ml
48071,
>(810)
>398-2946, FAX (810) 398-1662
>MISSOURI
>Continental Militia
>Saint Louis, 1st Missouri Volunteers, PO Box 31233, Des Peres, MO 63131,
>(314) 230-2445,
>BBS: (314) 821-2815, e-mail: jhollo1466@aol.com
>Douglas, Ray Brame, HCR Box 104, Drury, MO 65638, (417) 261-2493
>Greene, George Knowles, 3365B Morland, Springfield, MO 65807
>Jackson, Charles B Wittig, Kansas City, MO, Voice & FAX: (816) 229-7350,
>e-mail:
>cwittig@tyrell.net
>Harold Sheil, 4650 N Olive, Kansas City, MO 64116, FAX (816) 455-5253,
>e-mail:
>74633.614@compuserve.com
>Mike Hurley, Kansas City, MO, e-mail: mikehudey@aol.com
>Polk, Forest Overman, Rt 1 Box l0A, Brighton, MO 65617, (417) 376-4100
>MONTANA
>The Militia of Montana, John Trochman, PO Box 1486, Noxon, MT 59853,
>FAX/VOICE
>406-847-2735
>NEBRASKA
>Larry Ball, PO Box 67185, Lincoln, NE 68506, (402) 476-2255 (H), FAX
(402)
>476-2139,
>e-mail: lbaII@unlinfo.unl.edu, 70731.2155@compuserve.com
>NEVADA
>Nevada Volunteers
>Washoe, Gary Drake, c/o 315 McClellan Dr, Carson City, NV 89704
>Nye, Wayne Hague, PO Box 1085, Tonopah, NV 89049
>NEW HAMPSHIRE
>Constitution Defense Militia Organization of New Hampshire, Contact: Mr.
>Edward Brown, HCR
>75, Box 21, Plainfield, New Hampshire 03781, (603) 675-2909, ebrown2@aol





From dsale@users.southeast.net Sat Oct 26 11:28:42 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Cooper where is he
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>sponsoring both his and BoBo "busted" Gritz' show.  This was because
>Bill had frequently said on-air that Gritz was a Mason and part of the
>Problem, not the Solution.  

Bo Gritz is responsible for the Jonestown Massacre.


>Then Tom Valentine threw in the towel, and Cooper went on a tear about
>how if he didn't get Valentine's slot, he was going to go to another
>feed. 

No, they had previously promised him the slot.





From dsale@users.southeast.net Sat Oct 26 16:36:19 PDT 1996
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>And I propose that Bill Clinton is the common enemy of the American
>public.

Bill Clinton is A common enemy of the American public.

Bill wants alot of people dead ; not just you and me. And there are
other elites around the world who want us all dead.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Sat Oct 26 16:36:20 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: POPE DECLARED EVOLUTION A FACT (was: Re: Evolution does not exist (was god does not exist...))
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>JUST A HEALTHY REMINDER

And another healthy reminder, the current Pope worked for IG FARBEN
and sold cyanide gas to the nazi's in WWII for use in auschewitz.
He and other (false)  representatives of all religions are going to be
reconsidering things, now. It is no accident. It is The Plan.









From dsale@users.southeast.net Sat Oct 26 16:36:21 PDT 1996
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>    Evolution, like gravity, is a FACT of nature. There are diverse
>theories to explain HOW it works. The leader of the largest Christian
>denomination confirms this.

Hmm, letsee, IDIOT, you just said "Evolution is a FACT of nature.
There are THEORIES.."
Give me a break.
The Pope holds no grip over any Christian denomination. He holds a
tight grip of the Knights of Malta, his militia who weave through
businesses, politics and secret societies, who have taken a BLOOD
OATHE to work towards a new world order with the Pope at the head.
Furthermore, the man who is the current Pope worked for IB FARBEN and
sold cyanide gas to the nazis during WWII in Auschewitz.
You think we don't expect the disinformation campaign to come to an
all time high toward the end of the millenium?! You think we didn't
expect this, LIFE ON MARS and everything else they are going to do?
You are living in their fantasy-land. Your ticket is about to expire.




From dsale@users.southeast.net Thu Oct 31 10:33:07 PST 1996
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    Computers dive into gene pool        Computers dive into gene pool
By
Jim Puzzanghera

 Mercury News Staff Writer

 The computer wizards of Silicon Valley no longer are just changing
the way
we work, play and communicate.

 Now they're messing around with our genes.

 They're digitally slicing and dicing the vast amounts of data being
produced by the monumental project to map the entire genetic blueprint
for
human life. They're creating three-dimensional databases of proteins,
enzymes and other substances that allow researchers to more quickly
find the
chemical keys for the body's intricate molecular locks.

 They're cooking up software that allows scientists to do research
with a
mouse instead of on one. They've even invented a biological
semiconductor
(--) a tiny glass chip that actually lights up to identify any of
thousands
of genes when squirted with a DNA sample.

 The ramifications of all this on our lives could be even greater than
anything the computer revolution has generated to date (--) wonder
drugs for
dozens of diseases that get discovered quicker, developed faster and
can be
tailored to each person's internal chemistry.

 This broad new field, dubbed bioinformatics, represents the
intersection of
computers and biotechnology. The Bay Area, as it has with the
computing and
biotech industries, promises to become its capital.

 ``Arguably the two most important intellectual achievements of this
century
are the biochemistry revolution and the computer revolution,'' said
Russ
Altman, a Stanford University assistant professor who helps run one of
the
few bioinformatics training programs in the country. ``And we're lucky
they
happened at the same time because you wouldn't have had the
biochemistry
revolution without the computer revolution.''

 Several fuels are firing the growth of bioinformatics:

 -- Increased computing speed and digital storage capacity.

 -- The multibillion-dollar Human Genome Project, which in trying to
map out
the exact location of the 3 billion pairs of chemicals that make up
the
pattern for all 100,000 human genes is generating a mountain of new
scientific data that has to be mined for clues to precious new drugs.

 -- Intense competition among biotech and pharmaceutical companies
racing to
discover and patent those golden elixirs.

 -- Increasing money from venture capitalists, who view companies
developing
the computing tools for drug development as a safer bet than biotech
firms,
which either strike out in their attempt to create a new drug or face
a long
approval dance with the Food and Drug Administration if they're
successful.

 ``Bioinformatics is new, it's exciting and there's clearly a big
opportunity for it,'' said Kenneth Lee Jr., co-chairman of the
international
life sciences consulting practice of Ernst & Young in Palo Alto, which
each
year publishes the definitive report on the biotech industry. ``The
value of
the (computing) tools is big, is very, very big, because drug making
and
drug discovery and drug development is very, very expensive. And the
faster
you can do it, the cheaper you can do it.''

 It's such a recent and amorphous field that even Ernst & Young has no
data
on the number of companies or money involved (--) just that it's
growing.

 In its broadest definition, bioinformatics is the use of computers
and
software to process and analyze biological information. And as medical
research has veered into the domain of genetics in recent years,
computers
have become crucial for a simple reason:

 The entire sequence of all DNA (--) the molecule in every cell that
contains genes (--) consists of different pairs of just four
chemicals,
making it very similar to the 1's and 0's that make up all digital
information.

 ``In the future, every department, every medical center, every
research
center is going to need biological data managers as part of the
infrastructure,'' said Mark Boguski, senior investigator at the
National
Center for Biotechnology Information, a division of the National
Institutes
of Health. ``It's going to be as important as electricity and heat in
the
winter.''

 Global co-op

 The center is part of an international effort, called GenBank, to
compile
the genetic information coming from the Human Genome Project and
thousands
of scientists doing their own research. Most scientific journals now
require
genetic data to be submitted to the GenBank database as a requirement
for
publishing a scientist's research. The new data has been flooding in
over
the past few years.

 During the first dozen years of GenBank's 15-year existence, the data
was
doubling every 20 months. Now it's doubling every 12 months, Boguski
said.
GenBank's database now has 652 million base pairs of human DNA that
show up
in more than 1 million genetic sequences. And earlier this month, an
international effort made a detailed map of 16,000 human genes
available to
anyone on the World Wide Web.

 ``You have all these mountains of data pouring into the public domain
that
people must sift through to know what's going on,'' Boguski said.

 Enter companies such as Affymetrix of Santa Clara, MDL Information
Systems
of San Leandro, Incyte Pharmaceuticals and Pharsight of Palo Alto, as
well
as a host of others, offering biotech and pharmaceutical companies the
digital tools to tackle that mountain.

 ``It's becoming increasingly clear to everyone that all of these
businesses
are information businesses,'' said Steven Goldby, chairman and chief
executive officer of MDL, which provides scientific information
management
systems, databases and other tools for the industry. ``Without what we
do,
the genomics information would not be translated into pharmaceutical
products.''

 Lightening the load

 Jonathan Ellman, a chemistry professor at the University of
California-Berkeley, has been test-driving some of MDL's tools.

 His work is in the new field of combinatorial chemistry, which
rapidly
makes libraries of thousands of new chemical compounds and then tests
their
properties to find the right compound to treat a particular biological
problem. Before bioinformatics, he had to manually look through
scientific
literature and pharmaceutical company catalogs to find the right
compound.

 ``It was much more laborious,'' he said.

 Now he and other combinatorial chemists can do their work much
quicker,
using software that allows for three-dimensional graphical databases
of
complicated molecules. MDL uses Silicon Graphics' high-end graphic
equipment
and Oracle servers.

 Biotech and pharmaceutical companies such as MDL are the
fourth-largest
sector of Silicon Graphics' business, accounting for about 10 percent
of
revenue, said Julie Nash, the company's biology market manager. And
Oracle
is working with several other biotech and pharmaceutical companies,
many of
which are developing their own bioinformatics teams.

 Roy Whitfield, president and CEO of Incyte, calls the new
bioinformatics
research biology in silico, a play on the scientific term in vivo,
which
means research in a living organism.

 ``This is going to revolutionize the way medical research is done for
the
next few decades,'' he said.

 The use of new drugs also will change dramatically. Affymetrix hopes
its
DNA chip will allow doctors to quickly scan a person's entire genetic
makeup
to prescribe the exact drug and in the exact dosage needed, replacing
the
hit-and-miss approach.

 And Pharsight, a start-up that will officially announce its existence
today, is developing a software package that allows for
computer-assisted
design of clinical drug trials using sophisticated modeling. Its aim
is to
cut down on the number of failed trials for drug approval, one of the
major
roadblocks to getting laboratory discoveries into your doctor's hands.

 ``People get drugs faster that they need,'' said Pharsight CEO Arthur
Reidel, who has a background in software and is one of the
bioinformatic
computer wizards.

 The seriousness of this new computer-driven mission is also stressed
by
Stanford's Altman.

 ``This is not just for fun,'' he said. ``Biology is being
accelerated.
Progress is being accelerated.''

 IF YOU'RE INTERESTED

 The Human Gene Map can be found on the Internet at
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/science96/.

 

        






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      FBI Official Pleads Guilty in Ruby Ridge Case    FBI Official
Pleads
Guilty in Ruby Ridge Case October 30, 1996, 11:32 PM EST

 WASHINGTON (Reuter) - A suspended FBI senior official pleaded guilty
Wednesday to obstructing justice by concealing and destroying an
internal
review of the deadly 1992 shootout in Ruby Ridge, Idaho.

 E. Michael Kahoe, the former chief of the FBI's violent crimes
section,
admitted keeping from U.S. prosecutors the review they needed to
prepare for
the murder trial of white separatist Randy Weaver -- the key figure in
the
Ruby Ridge affair.

 U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbina accepted the guilty plea and
informed
Kahoe, who plans to resign from the FBI in January, that he faces a
maximum
of 10 years in prison. No date was set for sentencing.

 Prosecutor Eric Sitarchuk told the judge that Kahoe has agreed to
cooperate
with the long-running criminal investigation into whether FBI
officials had
engaged in wrongdoing or a possible cover-up involving the
controversial
shootout.

 Sitarchuk said Kahoe destroyed the review because the ``FBI had
problems
with the Weaver case'' and did not want prosecutors or defense
attorneys to
know it. Weaver eventually was acquitted of the murder charges in July
1993.

 Weaver and his friend Kevin Harris were charged with the murder of
Deputy
U.S. Marshal William Degan, who was shot and killed in a confrontation
on
August 21, 1992. Weaver's son was also killed in the firefight.

 After the shootout, the FBI's hostage rescue team went to Ruby Ridge,
and
on August 22 an FBI sniper fired two shots at the cabin, wounding
Weaver and
killing his wife. The standoff ended nine days later when Weaver
surrendered.

 Sitarchuk said Kahoe, who was in charge of the review, resisted,
along with
certain unnamed superiors, the request by prosecutors for all FBI
documents.
The Justice Department then ordered the FBI to turn over the
documents.

 He said Kahoe, between January and April 1993, took all his copies of
the
review and threw them into his ``confidential trash can'' where they
were
shredded.

 Sitarchuk said Kahoe then went to a subordinate, Gale Evans, told him
he
had thrown out the review, directed him to do the same and ``make it
appear
as if it never existed.'' Kahoe also told Evans to get rid of his
computer
floppy disc containing the critique.

 The judge released Kahoe without bail until sentencing. His attorney
told
reporters Kahoe would have no comment as the FBI official went for the
standard criminal booking procedure involving fingerprinting and
photographs.

 Outside the courthouse after the hearing, U.S. Attorney Michael
Stiles
said, ``This is the resolution of a very serious matter.'' He added,
``Our
investigation is proceeding.''

 But Stiles cautioned reporters from making assumptions that the next
step
will involve the indictment of another FBI official. He did say Evans
remains suspended from his FBI job and did not receive immunity from
prosecutors.

 Kahoe, Evans and three other FBI officials still are suspended while
the
investigation, which began in August 1995, continues. One FBI agent
has been
cleared. Stiles vowed to complete the probe as quickly as possible.

 

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Trance Formation of America:
The True Life Story of a CIA Mind Control Slave

by Cathy O'Brien with Mark Phillips


Chapter 1: My Introduction to Humanity

My pedophile father, Earl O'Brien, brags that he began
substituting his penis for my mother's nipple soon after I was
born.  My multigenerational incest-abused mother, Carol Tanis,
did not protest his perverse actions due to (reportedly) having
similar abuse as a child which caused her to acquire Multiple
Personality Disorder (1).  My earliest recovered memory was that
I could not breathe with my father's penis jammed into my little
throat.  Yet I could not discern his semen from my mother's milk.
I do not recall thinking, but I am aware through education
that this early sexual abuse distorted my primitive concepts of
feeding, breathing, sexuality, and parental perceptions.

I recall as a toddler being unable to run (I could barely walk)
to my mother for help as my instincts demanded.  Through my
gulping sobs, my terror rose as I tried to clear my throat of my
father's semen and draw a breath of air.  My mother finally
arrived at my side.  Rather than comfort me, she accused me of
throwing a temper tantrum and "holding my breath."  She
responded only by throwing a glass of cold water in my face.  I
was shocked!  As the water splashed my face, I knew she would
not help and it was up to me to save myself.  I automatically
Multiple Personality Disordered.  I was, of course, too young to
logically understand that what my father was doing to me was
wrong.  I accepted his strangling sexual abuse as a normal and
natural part of my home life, and split off a personality to
deal with the pain and suffocation to satisfy his perversions.
Therefore as a child, I was dissociative of my father's abuse.
I was totally unable to recall his sexual abuse, even in his
presence, until I saw and felt his penis.  Then the terror,
which was my conditioned response, triggered access to that part
of my brain that previously endured the trauma.  I was
remembering the abuse and how to deal with it.  This part of my
brain developed into a personality of its own -- which belonged
to my father -- which he rented out and later sold to the U.S.
Government as will be explained and detailed in the following
pages.

Other parts of my conditioned mind dealt with other abusers,
abuses and circumstances.  My father was (as revealed by my own
investigations) from a large, poor, and horribly dysfunctional
family.  His mother earned a living as a prostitute for local
lumbermen after his father died when he was two years old.  My
father's brothers and sister were all sexually and (occult)
ritually abused just as he was.  They grew up to be drug addicts,
prostitutes, street derelicts, and pedophiles who also sexually
abused me and my brothers and sisters.  I developed more
personality splits to deal with the traumas of these torturous
relationships.

My mother's dysfunctional family also appears to be
multigenerational, but of a slightly higher socio-economic class.
Her father owned the building occupied by a Masonic Blue Lodge
he led, and managed a local beer distribution business with her
mother after completing his military career.  Together they
sexually abused my mother and her three brothers, who in turn
sexually abused me.

My family often went camping on the vast wilderness acreage
surrounding my grandfather's Masonic Lodge in Newaygo, Michigan.
Large bluffs referred to as "The High Banks" overlooked the
White River flowing through his property, which is where we
pitched our tents.  My mother's brothers, Uncle Ted and Uncle
Arthur "Bomber" Tanis, often accompanied us and sexually abused
my brother and me.

It was deer hunting season in or around November, 1961, when my
father took the family camping on The High Banks to hunt with my
uncles.  That night, as my brother and I were being sexually
passed around the campfire to satisfy pedophile perversions, a
lost hunter stumbled into our camp.  My father shot him when he
attempted to run; the rifle's blasts piercing my brain and
further fragmenting my mind.  I sat dazed in a dissociative
trance while my mother methodically picked up the campsite and
my father and uncles disposed of the body.

As my father drove us away from the crime scene, we were stopped
by several hunters who had the road blocked in a desperate
attempt to locate their missing companion.  They described the
man I saw my father kill, and said they heard gunshots.  Reality
intruded on my dissociative trance, and I screamed and cried
hysterically until I no longer knew why I was crying.

My Uncle Ted (2) soon became a street derelict.  Uncle Bomber
died a few years later from alcoholism in his early forties.
And my father became more financially and politically connected.

My mother's oldest brother, Uncle Bob, was a pilot in Air Force
Intelligence and often boasted that he worked for the Vatican.
Uncle Bob was also a commercial pornographer, producing kiddie
porn for the local Michigan Mafia which looped back to Mafia
porn king and U.S. Representative Jerry Ford (3).  I split
off more personalities just to deal with my Uncle Bob, his
"friends," and the perverse business he shared with my father.

My father's sixth grade education had earned him a job as a worm
digger for local sport fishermen.  By the time I was six years
old, however, his pornographic exploitation of my older brother,
Bill, and me had provided enough income to move us into a bigger
house nestled in the Michigan sand dunes.  My father was right
at home there.  The tourists and drug dealers who littered the
eastern shore of Lake Michigan further supplemented his income
by paying for perverse sex with us children.  My father also
became involved in illicit drug sales.

Soon after we moved, my father was reportedly caught sending
kiddie porn through the U.S. mail.  It was a bestiality film
of me with my Uncle Sam O'Brien's Boxer dog, Buster.  My Uncle
Bob, also implicated in manufacturing the porn, out of apparent
desperation informed my father of a U.S. Government Defense
Intelligence Agency TOP SECRET Project to which he was privy.
This was Project Monarch.  Project Monarch was a mind-control
operation which was "recruiting" multigenerational incest abused
children with Multiple Personality Disorder for its genetic mind-
control studies.  I was a prime "candidate," a "chosen one."  My
father seized the opportunity as it would provide him immunity
>from  prosecution.  In the midst of the pandemonium that ensued,
Jerry Ford arrived at our house with the evidence in hand for a
meeting with my father.

"Is Earl home?"  he called to my mother, who nervously stood
behind the screen door, hesitating to let him in.

"Not yet," my mother replied, her voice shaking.  (4)  "He
should have been home from work by now -- I know he's expecting
you."

"That's OK."  Ford turned his attention to me.  I was standing
outside on the front porch, and he crouched down to my level.
Patting the large, brown envelope containing the confiscated
porn tucked under his arm he said, "You like doggies, huh?"

"Buster is a nice doggy," I replied.  "He's funny."  Not
understanding why the dog had been whisked away when the porn
was confiscated, I complained, "Buster's gone."

"Buster's gone?"  Ford asked.

"Yeah.  My Uncle Sam took him away," I told him.

Ford laughed loudly at the irony of my statement.  In my limited
view, I thought he found it humorous that Buster was gone.  My
father pulled into the driveway, honking the horn of his new,
tan convertible.  Ford stood up.  With his fly eye level to me,
I noticed his penis was erect and reached for it as conditioned.

"Not now, honey," he said.  "I have business to tend..." Ford
went inside with my parents to officially seal my fate.

Not long after that my father was flown to Boston for a two-week
course at Harvard on how to raise me for this off-shoot of MK-
Ultra Project Monarch.

When he returned from Boston, my father was smiling and pleased
with his new knowledge of what he termed "reverse psychology."

This equates to "satanic reversals," and involves such play-on-
words as puns and phrases that stuck in my mind like, "You earn
your keep, and I'll keep what you earn."  He presented me with a
commemorative charm bracelet of dogs, and my mother with the
news that they "would be having more children" to raise in the
project.  (I now have two sisters and four brothers ranging from
age 16 to 37 who are still under mind control.)  My mother
complied with my father's suggestions, mastering the art of
language manipulation.  For example, when I could not snap my
own pajama top to the bottoms in a childish effort to keep my
father out of them, I asked my mother, "please snap me".  She
did.  She would snap her forefingers against my skin in a
stinging manner.  The pain I felt was psychological as this
proved to me once again that she had no intention of protecting
me from my father's sexual abuse.

Also in keeping with his government-provided instructions, my
father began working me like the legendary Cinderella.  I
shoveled fireplace ashes, hauled and stacked firewood, raked
leaves, shoveled snow, chopped ice, and swept -- "because," my
father said, "your little hands fit so nicely around the rake,
mop, shovel, and broom handles."

By this time, my father's sexual exploitation of me included
prostitution to his friends, local mobsters and Masons,
relatives, Satanists, strangers, and police officers.  When I
wasn't being worked to physical exhaustion, filmed
pornographically, prostituted, or engaged in incest abuse, I
dissociated into books.  I had learned to read at the young age
of four due to my photographic memory which was a natural result
of MPD/DID.

Government researchers involved in MK-Ultra Project Monarch knew
about the photographic memory aspect of MPD/DID, of course, as
well as other resultant "super human" characteristics.  Visual
acuity of an MPD/DID is 44 times greater than that of the
average person.  My developed unusually high pain threshold,
plus compartmentalization of memory were "necessary" for
military and covert operations applications.  Additionally, my
sexuality was primitively twisted from infancy.  This
programming was appealing and useful to perverse politicians who
believed they could hide their actions deep within my memory
compartments, which clinicians refer to as personalities.

Immediately after my father's return from Boston, I was
routinely prostituted to then Michigan State Senator Guy
VanderJagt.  VanderJagt later became a U.S. Congressman and
eventually chairman of the Republican National Congressional
Committee that put George Bush in the office of President.  I
was prostituted to VanderJagt after numerous local parades which
he always participated in, at the Mackinac Island Political
Retreat, and in my home state of Michigan, among other places.

My Uncle Bob helped my father decorate my bedroom in red, white,
and blue paneling and American flags.  He provided assistance in
scrambling my mind according to Project Monarch methodologies.
Fairy tale themes were used to confuse fantasy with reality,
particularly Disney stories and the Wizard of Oz which provided
the base for future programming.

I had personalities for pornography, a personality for
bestiality, a personality for incest, a personality for
withstanding the horrendous psychological abuse of my mother, a
personality for prostitution, and the rest of "me" functioned
somewhat "normally" at school.  My "normal" personality provided
a cover for the abuse I was enduring, but best of all it had
hope -- hope that there was somewhere in the world where people
did not hurt each other.  This same personality also attended
Catechism, a weekly class at our Catholic church, St. Francis
de Sales in Muskegon, Michigan.

My Catechism teacher was a Nun, or "Sister."  Although I could
not consciously think to protect myself from abuse, I had
decided that becoming a Nun would provide me with the kind of
life I sought.  I could not rely upon my family, the police, or
politicians to protect me.  The church appeared to be my answer,
and I listened diligently in class and prayed religiously.  I
learned all about the political structure of the church, and was
prepared for my first Confession.

The Catholic beliefs I was taught include the idea that man is
not fit to talk to God (the Father) directly, but must have a
priest intercede instead.  This is the purpose of going to
Confession.  I was instructed to tell my sins to the priest (
also referred to as Father), who would relay the message to God.
He would then supposedly tell me how many "Hail Marys" and "Our
Father" prayers to say as my penance, or punishment.  My
Catechism teacher gave the class several examples of "sins,"
which included "sex outside of marriage."  When the Priest,
Father James Thaylen, slid open the little screened partition in
the closet sized confessional, I began as I had been instructed,
"Forgive me Father, for I have sinned......I then proceeded to
tell him that I had sex with my father and brother, to which he
responded that I should "say three Hail Marys and one Our Father
and *I* would be forgiven?!"

I knew then that I had to either believe that this Confession
thing was a hoax, or that God condoned sexual child abuse.  That
night, my father had a talk with me.  Apparently he was the
"Father" that the priest had interceded to.  My father instructed
me that "from now on," I was to simply say "I disobeyed my
parents" when I went to Confession and nothing more!

The next time I went to Confession, I did exactly as I was told.
The veiled screen came off the Confessional partition between
me and the priest, and a penis was stuck through the window.
"God said that your penance is to treat me as you would your
father.  And remember, whatsoever you do to the least of your
brothers, that you do unto me."  After performing oral sex on
Father Thaylen, I emerged from the Confessional where all the
other kids were waiting very impatiently for their turn.  My
teacher scolded me for taking so long and told me to add a few
extra "Our Fathers" to my penance.  When I told her I already
did my penance, she told me again the "order of things" to the
Confessional ritual -- which did not fit anything I had just
experienced!  Without ever consciously knowing why, I abandoned
the idea of becoming a Nun as that part of me, too, split off
>from  what was left of my "normal" base personality.

I continued to maintain an illusion of normalcy for school (5),
excelling in my studies due to my photographic memory and in
spite of my chronic "daydreaming."  I had plenty of friends and
played enthusiastically at recess, expending large amounts of
energy in my subconscious effort to escape my own mind.  And I
lost myself in the books my father suggested I read: The Wizard
Of Oz, Alice In Wonderland, Island of the Blue Dolphins, Disney
Classics, and Cinderella--all of which were used in conditioning
my mind for what soon would become mind-control programming. (6)

My television viewing was restricted and monitored in keeping
with my father's gained knowledge.  I was, however, permitted to
watch the "best" of movies: The Wizard Of Oz, Disney Classics,
Alice In Wonderland, and Cinderella -- over and over and over
again.

When I was in second grade, my Brownie Troop marched in the
Memorial Day Parade in which then Michigan State Senator
VanderJagt also participated.  At the end of the parade, he took
me into a nearby motel and had me perform oral sex on him before
sending me back to where my Brownie Troop was waiting.  My
Brownie leader and peers thought it commendable that VanderJagt
took me with him.  They gathered around to hear all about it.
I noticed a white splash of semen on my sash, and hurriedly
explained that he had "taken me for a milkshake" as I wiped it
away.  Having to cover for his perversion to my Brownie Troop
infringed on my school personality, and the "normal" remainder
became even smaller.

With the memory of this incident compartmentalized in my mind, I
made no conscious association to VanderJagt when my third grade
teacher announced that we were taking a field trip to the State
Capital in Lansing, Michigan where he was in session.  Once at
the Capital, I was ushered away from my classmates and taken to
VanderJagt's office where he was waiting along with his friend
and mentor (soon to be President) Gerald Ford.  VanderJagt
lifted my skirt, pulled down my panties, and placed me on his
desk for sex with him and Ford.  Afterward they laughed as
VanderJagt placed a small American flag in my rectum and
instructed me to wave it.  He then presented me with a Kennedy
pen inscribed with the motto that would lead me for the rest of
my mind-controlled existence, "Ask not what your country can do
for you, Ask what you can do for your country."

VanderJagt then escorted me back to the balcony of the
Legislature where my classmates were gathered.  He put his arm
around me in front of all my classmates and presented me with
the American flag he had just had me wave for him and Ford with
my rectum.  My school personality split off again, but I still
maintained the hope that somewhere, someday, I would find a
place where people didn't ...what?  I could not remember what I
was seeking to escape.


Notes:

1.  Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), now known among mental
health professionals as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) is
the mind's sane defense to an insane situation.  It is a way of
dealing with trauma that is literally too horrible to comprehend.
Incestuous rape violates primitive instinct and surpasses pain
tolerance.  By compartmentalizing the memory of such horrendous
abuse, the rest of the mind can function "normally" as though
nothing had happened.  This compartmentalization is created by
the brain actually shutting down neuron pathways to a specific
part of the brain.  These neuron pathways are triggered open
again when the abuse recurs.  The same part of the brain that is
already conditioned to the trauma deals with it again and again
as needed.

2.  Uncle Ted had also cried hysterically the night of the
murder.  Several years later, he almost killed himself when he
drove his car into the White River near the place of the murder.

3.  Gerald Ford, aka Leslie Lynch King, Jr., served on the
appropriations subcommittee for the CIA and was appointed to the
Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of President
John F. Kennedy while I knew him only as a porn boss!

4.  My mother often voiced complaints that she "could not see
faces," which personal experience has taught me indicated that
she was suffering from ongoing physical and psychological
traumas, and therefore was not in control of her senses.

5.  Had my teachers been educated in the obvious signs of child
abuse, my "illusion of normalcy" would have been interpreted as
a cry for help.  Dissociative trance daydreaming, tones of
helplessness and sexuality in drawings, and the electric prod
marks on my face should have been recognized.

6.  These same themes were routinely used in creating Project
Monarch slaves.  This fact emerged through years of networking
with mental health professionals.

- - - - -

Excerpt from the book:

Trance Formation of America:
The True Life Story of a CIA Mind Control Slave
(c) 1995 by Cathy O'Brien & Mark Phillips
P.O. Box 158352, Nashville, TN 37215

Published by Reality Marketing, Inc.,
5300 West Sahara, Suite 101, Las Vegas, NV 89102

Posted here with the express permission of Cathy O'Brien.
Please feel free to disseminate this information wherever you
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