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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 10:40:13 PDT 1995
Article: 11706 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: NO PRUSSIC ACID DETECTORS
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:24:13 GMT
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In article: <455ppn$hro@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:

> The SS ordered prussic acid detectors for the gas chamber.

Quote:
"On 26 february 1943 SS Lt Pollok sent an urgent telegram to Topf and Son 
reading as follows:
"please send 10 gas testers (Gasprufer) that we spoke about before. Quote 
price later."
Mr Pressac translates "Gasprufer" (again a technical term, incorrectly as 
gas detectors. There is a major distinction. Gas detectors are utilized for 
testing for gas (leakage etc) gas testers are used to determine the amount 
(quantity) of gas present. Telegram would have read 'Gesentdecker' if 
detectors were wanted.  

Gas testers are utilized by every furnace installer and repairman for 
testing the proper carbon monoxide\air mixture to determine if the furnace 
is burning correctly. This MUST be done particularly when used pulsed air 
installations. This is something that Pressac should have known or should 
have found out.

These gas testers have nothing to do with testing for hydrogen cyanide gas 
and do not imply the existance of "gas chambers". 





The Leuchter Report [4th edition] page 13. 

Jeff
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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 10:40:14 PDT 1995
Article: 11707 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: NO KREMA PLANS TO MAKE HEAT UP THE ZYCLON GAS
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:54:04 GMT
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In article: <455ppn$hro@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:

> Krema plans call for routing heat back into the gas
> chamber from the crematory furnaces to help in the evaporation of the
> gas. 

There is nothing on the Krema plans designated as a "gas chamber".
It is alleged that a morgue was being used in the function of an "execution 
gas chamber". 

Heat was routed back into the morgue to stop pipes from freezing.

[Cf Leucher Report [4th Edition] 



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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 10:40:15 PDT 1995
Article: 11708 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: CANDID CONFESSIONS
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In article: <455ppn$hro@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:


> Dozens of SS men testified to putting the gas down the grill-work
> columns. 

Lots of candid confessions.

There's nothing a boot used in the function of "war crimes 
investigation"  ie kicking in the testicles 
can't do is there.

Just like the Dachau Trials. Or the Case of Gustav Perat.







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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 10:40:15 PDT 1995
Article: 11709 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: KREMA PLANS DO NOT CALL FOR ZYKLON-B INTRODUCTION DEVICES
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:41:11 GMT
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In article: <455ppn$hro@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:

> The Krema plans call for the manufacture and installation of
> grill-work metal columns for introducing Zyklon B into the gas
> chambers. 

I assume Mr Morris is using Pressac as his source.

Quote:

4 "Drahtnetzeinschiebvorrictungen" and 4 "Holzblenden". These items were 
found on an inventory list for Leichenkeller 2 , Krema II, dated 24 june 
1943, supplied with the construction deed for the structure. 

Again, Mr Pressac incorrectly translates two technical terms incorrectly.
4 wire net insertion contrivances and 4 wooden architectural facade 
dressings is the correct translation. Mr Pressac translates as
4 wire mesh introduction devices and 4 wooden covers. Again these are 
technical terms and should be translated very precisely.

The wire net insertion contrivances may have been for handling and
and inserting an autopised body (in parts) into the retort. Neither of these 
devices have anything to do with equipment for "gas chambers".  




The Leuchter Report [4th edition] p 14.

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Jeff
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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 12:57:10 PDT 1995
Article: 11800 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: VERGASSUNGSKELLER  =  Carburetion Cellar
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:06:37 GMT
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In article: <455ppn$hro@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:
> Brack referred in a memo to the gas chamber at Krema II as, well, a
> gas chamber. 

Brack did not as far as I know. Nor did anybody else. 
I assume Mr Morris (who I shall refrain from calling creep) means SS officer 
Bishoff who refered in a letter [dd 29.01.1943] to a "Vergassungskeller".
Quote:

"Mr Pressac, again, incorrectly translates "Vergassungskeller" (carbuetion 
cellar)......."

[Look in any German dictionary. Vergaser = Carburetter.] 


"It is unclear by the text exactly what Bishoff is saying, but he most 
likely means the furnace room. in the furnace room are the five secondary 
blowers (pulsed air) which mix air with the combusted gasses in the furnace. 
This carburetion process controls the air/gas mix in the crematory furnaces. 
Since it is winter, Bishoff does not want the corpses to freeze and 
temporary placement in the furnace room, which is heating only to dry the 
brick and mortar, and not cremating corpses, will prevent this." 

The Leutcher report 1991 [4th Edition] p13.


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Jeff
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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 20 12:57:11 PDT 1995
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Due for work reasons, and the repair of my disk, I shall be off-line for a 
month or so. 



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Jeff
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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 22 11:52:04 PDT 1995
Article: 11800 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: VERGASSUNGSKELLER  =  Carburetion Cellar
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:06:37 GMT
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In article: <455ppn$hro@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:
> Brack referred in a memo to the gas chamber at Krema II as, well, a
> gas chamber. 

Brack did not as far as I know. Nor did anybody else. 
I assume Mr Morris (who I shall refrain from calling creep) means SS officer 
Bishoff who refered in a letter [dd 29.01.1943] to a "Vergassungskeller".
Quote:

"Mr Pressac, again, incorrectly translates "Vergassungskeller" (carbuetion 
cellar)......."

[Look in any German dictionary. Vergaser = Carburetter.] 


"It is unclear by the text exactly what Bishoff is saying, but he most 
likely means the furnace room. in the furnace room are the five secondary 
blowers (pulsed air) which mix air with the combusted gasses in the furnace. 
This carburetion process controls the air/gas mix in the crematory furnaces. 
Since it is winter, Bishoff does not want the corpses to freeze and 
temporary placement in the furnace room, which is heating only to dry the 
brick and mortar, and not cremating corpses, will prevent this." 

The Leutcher report 1991 [4th Edition] p13.


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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 22 11:52:05 PDT 1995
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: I CAN UNEQUIVOCALLY STATE THE GAS CHAMBERS DID NOT EXIST
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:22:07 GMT
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In article: <455ppn$hro@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>  jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 
(John Morris) writes:

> Brack referred in a memo to the gas chamber at Krema II as, well, a
> gas chamber. 

He didn't. Nor did Bishoff. 

> The SS ordered prussic acid detectors for the gas chamber. 

They didn't.  


> The Krema plans call for the manufacture and installation of
> grill-work metal columns for introducing Zyklon B into the gas
> chambers. 

They don't.


> The Krema plans call for routing heat back into the gas
> chamber from the crematory furnaces to help in the evaporation of the
> gas. 

They don't.


> Dozens of SS men testified to putting the gas down the grill-work
> columns. 

FACT: And Dozens of SS men also had their testicles kicked in....

Hundreds of survivors testified to witnessing this procedure.

FACT: None of it has ever stood the test of a proper courtroom.

> You, I am afraid, have not only to admit the possibility that people
> were gassed at Auschwitz, but also the probability.

Mr Morris is wrong on every point. There were NO gas chambers. It is 
propaganda fiction.


Quote:

After seeing his technical documentation [that of Pressac in his "Auschwitz; 
Technique an operation of the gas chambers."] it is my best engineering 
opinion that nothing in this documentation supports the existance of gas 
execution chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Further, based upon the detail 
design of the Kremas, so well documented here, I can unequivocally state the 
Gas chambers did not exist. Kremas I, II, III, IV, amd V could NOT EVER have 
supported a gas execution function and did not.

Fred Leuchter in his Leuchter Report [4th edition] p 31.  





 
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