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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: GERMAN FREEDOM WEB SITE
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:51:39 GMT
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> :                               
> :                               "The Zundelsite"
> [...]
> :         As we look at our planet now, we know this is no longer true.  
> : This once-shared heritage of all white people everywhere that built 
>                                    ^^^^^
> : the finest civilization in the history of man is under vicious, incess-
> : ant  assault. 
> :         This is not accidental.  There are dark forces in this world 
>                                              ^^^^
> : whose powers many people sense on a vicarious level but are afraid to 
> : call by name.  Most people fear a label more than they fear robbery or 
> : even murder.  
> 
> I see, the eternal threat of the black race is coming down on us?


Not at all.  People of color are the least of our worry.  Did you read the
news that there is much excitement about "back extremists" who even *like*
the message?  They, more than anybody else, can surely identify with pride
of race and background.

I personally like the principles of the Olympics:  Let all countries
compete fairly by giving it their best, but let the best athlete win. 
We'll all be the richer for it.  



> 
> :         "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, 
> : we must be credible.  To be credible, we must be truthful."  (Edward 
> : R. Murrow)
> 
> To be persuasive you just have to spread less nonsense!

No, to be persuasive requires that people look and read.  And then start
feeling and thinking for themselves, free of what special interests want
them to feel and think.
> 
> 
> :       We do not recruit; we convince.  Truth has no need of coercion.  
> 
> Obviously you don't convince many people on this group except some 'honorable
> old ladies'

How would you know?  And what is wrong with honorable old ladies?  Some
people might call *that* prejudice.  
> 
> --
> Arthur.Teschler@uni-giessen.de


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Neo-Nazi Althans jailed for 3-1/2 years
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:05:09 GMT
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In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

> Must say I also have great problems with the "Auschwitz 
> Lie" law in Germany.
> 
> I feel nothing but disgust towards people like Althans. But
> I don't think they should be jailed, an act which, to boot, 
> makes some kind of martyrs out of them.
> 
> 
> -Danny Keren.

And what *I* would like to know is if the producer of that film has been
arrested and imprisoned as well.  After all, fair is fair - if arrests
there must be, why not sweeping?  Like in the Thirties during Stalin
times? 

The grapevine has it that the taxpayers of Germany even funded that film. 
So should the taxpayers of Germany be arrested also?

There is a brand new video on this (and other matters, such as Althans's
homosexuality) on the "Zundelsite" (a lengthy interview by Der Spiegel TV)
where the maligned and persecuted Mr. Zundel has things to say that might
astound some Germans.  The video is in German.


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: GERMAN FREEDOM WEB SITE
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:05:51 GMT
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> 
> : I personally like the principles of the Olympics:  Let all countries
> : compete fairly by giving it their best, but let the best athlete win. 
> : We'll all be the richer for it.  
> 
> Well, if winning doesn't mean: Those who are superior in number and weapons
> put others into gas chambers, I don't mind.

Right.  That *is" the argument.  Did they, or did they not?
> 
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> : > :       We do not recruit; we convince.  Truth has no need of coercion.  
> : > 
> : > Obviously you don't convince many people on this group except some
'honorable
> : > old ladies'
> 
> : How would you know?  And what is wrong with honorable old ladies?  Some
> : people might call *that* prejudice.  
> 
> Did I say anything against 'honorable old ladies' ? 

Did you pay them a compliment for their discriminating taste?  

> A bit thin skinned today?

Not just today.  In principle.  

> If you don't go with the main stream, you must be prepeared that others
> will say things you won't like.

That goes both ways, of course.  I said things complimentary of the
Zundelsite that some people didn't like at all.  You being one of them. 
Some did, however, which balances things neatly.  


> 
> BTW: When I looked at the Z.site I didn't discover anything about
> 'Auslandsdeutsche'. Although I must admit I couldn't stand that nonsense 
> very long and just had a short glance.
> I thought I would find something on the Auslandsdeutsche theme, but
> found stories about 'German heroes' who died for their 'Vaterland'
> on the field of honour.
> --
No, the Zundelsite is not at all about Auslandsdeutsche.  It is about one
German wanting his country's honor back.  It's just that I, as
Auslandsdeutsche whose family lived for centuries outside of Germany and
paid a hefty price for being German, might have a bit of a different
perspective -- which I was offering.  It is a bit harder to argue against
someone who knew Stalin better than Hitler.  If you need to pick on a
monster, why not pick on the one that has hurt Germany the most, as many
of us still remember?


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Thu Sep  7 03:18:37 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Being a German
Organization: AASF
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 01:25:02 GMT
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> 
> No rules? Since when? My, my. Listening to this - sudden honesty - hurts like
> hell. That war is war was not what my father, a defeated grunt, was told when
> he was released from POW camp. Nor did my uncle hear such things when he made
> it back from the gulag. Nor did I during childhood, or my sisters, or my
> friends. What the German people and most of all the children heard since 1945
> was that their country and their kind were evil. Especially during the first
> 10,20,30 years. For German kids the war was not over: after the physical
> violence came to an end, the verbal napalm treatment began.


This last statement is the most intelligent statement I have yet heard on
the internet so far.  The next step is to realize that this "verbal
napalm" is a tool of mind control.  Somebody said:  "In Deutschland ist es
jetzt schick, sich zu schaemen."  That goes for America, too, if you are a
German or of German ancestry.  


> 
> Under the laws of this country (US),of which I am a citizen, what was done to
> German kids in the post-war period qualifies as child abuse - plain and
simple.
> During the war they were incinerated. After the war they were turned. No
wonder 
> the result was self-disgust in too many instances. Any freshman in Psych 101
> can tell you what happens to a child when you mistreat him like that.
> 

That's right.  Before I chose the not-too-easy life of a freelancer, I was
a kiddie shrink in public schools in California.  I can attest to the fact
that what is coming out of the mouths of today's young generations in the
Heimatland is not their own thinking but brutal and relentless
indoctrination that makes them identify with the (in this case mental)
oppressors, as happens in many prisons.  It is a sad, sad thing.  


> 
> What's the point of all this? Perspective. What has happened to German
> children was clearly wrong, and similar things have happened before.It is my 
> guess that in a few years, injustices against Deutsche Kinder and
> Deutsch-Amerikaner will become the next civil rights cause: we will be the
> last of the Mohicans, so to speak, after African-Americans Chinese-Americans,
> Spanish-Americans, Native-Americans,and every other group under the sun.
> Suddenly the issue will be sexy. Universities will take it up; courses will
> be developed covering the "German Experience," poetry readings will be held
> (now the rage everywhere), and on and on. Ten years later, the US
Government may
> even come around to saying "we are sorry. We are really not in the business of
> killing and demonizing children."

Boy, wouldn't that be something.  I, too, believe in miracles, but I don't
count on them.
> 
> Why do I think it will happen? Because we have a splendid Constitution, Bill
> of Rights, and Civil Rights law. These documents do not signify a final
> condition, something that has been achieved. Instead, they are dynamic
> instruments of process, of becoming. They don't ever invite you to rest on
> your laurels. After all, there is a potential little bigot or rascal
born every
> minute: a woman's work of raising each bundle of potentialities is never
done -
> and all that. And finally, I also think that deep down, Americans are fair.
> If something was wrong, they come around eventually to seeing it.
>  
> Seriously, the issue of making civilians pawns and victims in WW II awaits
> detailed inquiry. Historians will get around to it. There were psychological
> barriers that had to be removed first. What's important here is not a tit for
> tat: fifty years after the war, that, thank god, has been bled out of
> everyone's system. The goal is future prevention. We postmoderns (and I mean
> the leading democracies within the global village) cannot afford to be a
> democratic people at home, and regress to a stone age mentality abroad.
> 
> Erika

My hat is off to you, Erika.  And do you know what?  The Constitution of
the United States, which is an absolutely inspired document, may not
survive unless we have more people like you.  

(By the way, my heroine in my next novel's name is Erika . . .)
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From IRimland@mail.cts.com Thu Sep  7 03:18:39 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Being a German
Organization: AASF
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 01:31:17 GMT
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If we begin 
> to view nations as having individual psychologies, it becomes at least
> understandable if not yet excusable.  

Just a small thought:  I've often wondered why it is that nations who are
so violently and viciously opposed to any racial difference hypotheses and
argue themselves red, white and blue that such a thing does not exist have
little trouble to assign to Germans the racial qualities of hate,
aggression, genocidal tendencies etc.  Have you ever known a war criminal
who was't a German?  It must be in their genes. . .


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Being a German
Organization: AASF
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 01:38:03 GMT
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> 
> Yes, what really is the point of all this gibberish about injustice
> inflicted upon German children? What DID happen to German children
> after the war that provides even a faint justification for this
> obscure hogwash?
> 
Any honest German who experienced the first three years after the war will
tell you that in terms of sheer physical suffering, they were worse than
anything during the war.  I remember being so weak from hunger in 1947 I
could not make it up the steps to school.


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Subject: Re: Being a German
Organization: AASF
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> 
> No rules? Since when? My, my. Listening to this - sudden honesty - hurts like
> hell. That war is war was not what my father, a defeated grunt, was told when
> he was released from POW camp. Nor did my uncle hear such things when he made
> it back from the gulag. Nor did I during childhood, or my sisters, or my
> friends. What the German people and most of all the children heard since 1945
> was that their country and their kind were evil. Especially during the first
> 10,20,30 years. For German kids the war was not over: after the physical
> violence came to an end, the verbal napalm treatment began.


This last statement is the most intelligent statement I have yet heard on
the internet so far.  The next step is to realize that this "verbal
napalm" is a tool of mind control.  Somebody said:  "In Deutschland ist es
jetzt schick, sich zu schaemen."  That goes for America, too, if you are a
German or of German ancestry.  


> 
> Under the laws of this country (US),of which I am a citizen, what was done to
> German kids in the post-war period qualifies as child abuse - plain and
simple.
> During the war they were incinerated. After the war they were turned. No
wonder 
> the result was self-disgust in too many instances. Any freshman in Psych 101
> can tell you what happens to a child when you mistreat him like that.
> 

That's right.  Before I chose the not-too-easy life of a freelancer, I was
a kiddie shrink in public schools in California.  I can attest to the fact
that what is coming out of the mouths of today's young generations in the
Heimatland is not their own thinking but brutal and relentless
indoctrination that makes them identify with the (in this case mental)
oppressors, as happens in many prisons.  It is a sad, sad thing.  


> 
> What's the point of all this? Perspective. What has happened to German
> children was clearly wrong, and similar things have happened before.It is my 
> guess that in a few years, injustices against Deutsche Kinder and
> Deutsch-Amerikaner will become the next civil rights cause: we will be the
> last of the Mohicans, so to speak, after African-Americans Chinese-Americans,
> Spanish-Americans, Native-Americans,and every other group under the sun.
> Suddenly the issue will be sexy. Universities will take it up; courses will
> be developed covering the "German Experience," poetry readings will be held
> (now the rage everywhere), and on and on. Ten years later, the US
Government may
> even come around to saying "we are sorry. We are really not in the business of
> killing and demonizing children."

Boy, wouldn't that be something.  I, too, believe in miracles, but I don't
count on them.
> 
> Why do I think it will happen? Because we have a splendid Constitution, Bill
> of Rights, and Civil Rights law. These documents do not signify a final
> condition, something that has been achieved. Instead, they are dynamic
> instruments of process, of becoming. They don't ever invite you to rest on
> your laurels. After all, there is a potential little bigot or rascal
born every
> minute: a woman's work of raising each bundle of potentialities is never
done -
> and all that. And finally, I also think that deep down, Americans are fair.
> If something was wrong, they come around eventually to seeing it.
>  
> Seriously, the issue of making civilians pawns and victims in WW II awaits
> detailed inquiry. Historians will get around to it. There were psychological
> barriers that had to be removed first. What's important here is not a tit for
> tat: fifty years after the war, that, thank god, has been bled out of
> everyone's system. The goal is future prevention. We postmoderns (and I mean
> the leading democracies within the global village) cannot afford to be a
> democratic people at home, and regress to a stone age mentality abroad.
> 
> Erika

My hat is off to you, Erika.  And do you know what?  The Constitution of
the United States, which is an absolutely inspired document, may not
survive unless we have more people like you.  

(By the way, my heroine in my next novel's name is Erika . . .)
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Being a German
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If we begin 
> to view nations as having individual psychologies, it becomes at least
> understandable if not yet excusable.  

Just a small thought:  I've often wondered why it is that nations who are
so violently and viciously opposed to any racial difference hypotheses and
argue themselves red, white and blue that such a thing does not exist have
little trouble to assign to Germans the racial qualities of hate,
aggression, genocidal tendencies etc.  Have you ever known a war criminal
who was't a German?  It must be in their genes. . .


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> 
> Yes, what really is the point of all this gibberish about injustice
> inflicted upon German children? What DID happen to German children
> after the war that provides even a faint justification for this
> obscure hogwash?
> 
Any honest German who experienced the first three years after the war will
tell you that in terms of sheer physical suffering, they were worse than
anything during the war.  I remember being so weak from hunger in 1947 I
could not make it up the steps to school.


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: GERMAN FREEDOM WEB SITE
Organization: AASF
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:47:55 GMT
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> 
> : No, you are wrong.  You are simply misinformed.  What happened in Russia
> : had little to do with being German and everything to do with being middle
> : class, successful, Christan and anti-Communist.  
> 
> May I remind you to your *own* words:
> 
> On Sat, 2 Sep 1995 (4 days ago) you wrote:
> > A.T.
> > > 
> > > BTW: When I looked at the Z.site I didn't discover anything about
> > > 'Auslandsdeutsche'. Although I must admit I couldn't stand that nonsense 
> > > very long and just had a short glance.
> > > I thought I would find something on the Auslandsdeutsche theme, but
> > > found stories about 'German heroes' who died for their 'Vaterland'
> > > on the field of honour.
> > > --
> > No, the Zundelsite is not at all about Auslandsdeutsche.  It is about one
> > German wanting his country's honor back.  It's just that I, as
> > Auslandsdeutsche whose family lived for centuries outside of Germany and
> > paid a hefty price for being German, might have a bit of a different
> > perspective -- which I was offering.  It is a bit harder to argue against
> > someone who knew Stalin better than Hitler.  If you need to pick on a
> > monster, why not pick on the one that has hurt Germany the most, as many
> > of us still remember?

No, the two arguments have nothing to do with each other.  Zundel is a
Swabian.  I am a Black Sea German.  We happen to share some but not
identical values.  My point was simply that as a so-called
Schwarzmeerdeutsche, I had a much easier time identifying with what he
means when he speaks of wanting his country's honor back than, apparently,
people like you who live *in* Germany but do not value things we value -
namely one heck of a fight against the enemy of mankind, Communism.  
> 
> Perhaps you should have a look at your own postings sometimes. Telling
> this in one post and the opposite in another is not helping you being
> considered an *honorable* old lady. This was the second time. 

How was I being "dishonorable."  I don't see the point.  If you feel
misled that your impression of the Zundelsite was that of Russian Germans,
I have corrected that now twice already also. The point of the Zundelsite
is that there was a legitimate aspect to World War II, as seen from the
then German point of view, which was to fight and eradicate Communism.  I
don't see anything dishonorable in that point of view.  Communism has
caused plenty of atrocities.  I as a Russian-German should know.


I don't
> think that you are that old, are you?

I don't think so either, but there you have it!  My pretty mother always
subtracted a year from her calendar, and guess what?  When it came time to
collect on her pension, she had to wait another year.


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: GERMAN FREEDOM WEB SITE
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In article <42k280$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>,
behrends@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Reimer Behrends) wrote:

> Ingrid Rimland (IRimland@mail.cts.com) wrote:
> [...]
> : the thread is getting too long and repetitive.  You keep on telling me
> : that I am lying, and I am telling you that you are misinformed.  Let's
> : just leave it at that.
> [...]
> 
> Just like you chose to ignore my recent article on de.soc.politik when
> things were getting uncomfortable for you? Or can I expect a response
> some time in the near future? Frankly, the way you cop out as soon as
> you are confronted with facts only serves to reinforce the assumption
> that you are indeed lying through your teeth.
> 
>                                 Reimer Behrends

No, I would not be the one to argue details.  My self-appointed chore is
to get people to realize that there are two sides of the story, and to
point out to them where they might find the other side.  It is for them to
sort out fact from fiction.  You are not going to get me into a
dissertation.  I did it once, and once was once too many.  

So, may the best person and argument win.  And may it be won not by
insulting each other but by reading and reflecting.


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Ingrid Rimland (was Re: GERMAN FREEDOM WEB SIT)
Organization: AASF
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 01:07:27 GMT
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You are truly 'Time Wasted' -- and were it not that I do
>         try to live the "Never Again' and 'Wehret den Anfaengen' principles,
>         I would be perfectly content to ignore you and people you seem to
>         identify (and associate?!?) with.
> 
>         but, Alas, it's one of the crosses one (volunteers) to carry as
>         a (especially older) German: to "not be quiet" when things one
>         despises are being said and done...  (as a matter of fact, I'd
>         expect you'd even agree with that sentiment, though the targets
>         of our wrath may be different)

I don't think I'm wasting my time, but if I'm wasting your time, then you
have every right on earth to find more useful company.  And believe me,
*wrath* isn't my driving force.  My driving force is understanding the
human condition, which is what a novelist does.  

Maybe I am just collecting material for yet another book?  Your quotes may
yet become immortal.


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Mon Sep 11 05:33:33 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Being a German
Organization: AASF
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:51:24 GMT
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> 
> >E.F.Schelby (schelby@swcp.com) wrote:
> >: 
> >: And I take a stand on the child abuse analogy: by today's standards,
> >: relentlessly telling children how terrible their countrymen (and by
> >: implication how bad they are or could be) would qualify as child abuse.
> >
Erika, it's nice to know that now there are two of us.  Might there be four?

I, too, can attest to what you say regarding child abuse.  I spent 10
years in public school as a child psychologist, mostly in minority
schools.  

I can tell you that not one black, hispanic or Vietname parent would have
put up with the abuse and daily vilification barrage that German-descent
children have to endure.  In the United States, it is constant.  It is
vicious.  And it is purposeful. 

Somebody benefits handsomely from constant and relentless hate mongering,
and in the good old USA it's not the so-called "Nazis."  (How I despise
the word because it demonizes!)

Ingrid


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Mon Sep 11 05:33:36 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Wanted!  One superb grammarian!
Organization: AASF
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Is there anybody in this group who would volunteer to systematically help
me with some German grammar?  I have a practically intact German
vocabulary but every once in a while I do get stuck.  I am editing an
international magazine in German, and I have no one to check what I am
doing.  

I am not talking heavy duty work.  Just now and then a term, or
punctuation, or hyphenation.  For example, in English we use the
apostrophy to connote "possession" (excuse me!)  As in:  "The money is in
Ingrid's purse." 

How would you say that in German?  Das Geld ist in Ingrids Handtasche? 
Oder Ingrid's Handtasche?

Thanks in advance.


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Being a German
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In article <430b22$mk4@news-e1a.megaweb.com>, Gordon Forbess
 wrote:

> In article  Ingrid 
> Rimland wrote:
> (snip)
> >I can tell you that not one black, hispanic or Vietname
> > parent would have
> >put up with the abuse and daily vilification barrage that
> > German-descent
> >children have to endure.  In the United States, it is
> > constant.  It is
> >vicious.  And it is purposeful.
> (snip)
> No kidding?  Where in the US have you seen this?  I grew up in 
> the midwest US among lots of German-Americans and never saw 
> such behavior.  Are you really saying it's tougher to have a 
> German surname in America than be black?  You need to back up 
> that statement or no *Victim* label for you.
> 
> Gordon 

I never said *I* was a victim.  I find it repulsive to play the perpetual,
professional victim.  I said that children were being victimized who see
films, for example, like Schindler's List where every single German is
brutal, stupid, sadistic, immoral etc.  The only redeeming characteristic
is one so-called German who betrays his country during war and cashes in
on his own people. (Do you know that the *real* Oskar Schindler spoke
Yiddish, by the way?)

Characters such as you see in Schindler's List are not admirable models
for German children. Such a film would never be allowed portraying any
other ethnic culture anywhere.

And please don't say the Germans had it coming.  That's what the argument
"is" all about.


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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
Subject: Re: Wanted!  One superb grammarian!
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> 
> What's the magazine?  It's not one of Zuendel's rags, is it by any
> chance?  In that case you don't need an expert in orthography and
> punctuation (although anyone who has read Zuendel's stuff knows he
> needs help there, too), but some history lessons.

I had fourteen friendly offers and one nasty one - yours.  Why do you
people hate Ernst Zundel with a passion I have never seen applied to
anybody else anywhere in the United States and Canada?  He is a kind,
good, highly successful man who has done the impossible:  namely, as a
proud and avowed German citizen, given Canada *more* freedom than it ever
had before by having a law tossed out of the window that didn't belong in
the books.  Here's what his biographer said, which I am putting now to
you:

How is it that a man whose entire reason for being is one of love for his
own kind (the root of the word kindness) and who sacrificed a lucrative
graphic arts career and advertising business handling six-figure accounts
and earning a reputation conceded even by his enemies as a master of
art‹who sacrificed all of this for love of his people‹is libeled as a man
of hate?

How is it that a young German immigrant takes on the entire Canadian
establishment in a trial that was supposed to be a walk-over for the
System's media hoax, and rocks the world with shocking revelations of
fraud, cover-ups, massive impostures and confessions from the leading
Exterminationist academics and "survivors" totally subversive of their
bizarre gas chamber cult?

How is it that a nation like Canada, which is supposed to pride itself on
its Rationality, respect for free and fair debate and protection of free
speech, sentenced Zundel to 15 months in an Ontario gulag for the "crime"
of having published a work of history inconvenient to a racist elite's
enshrined orthodoxy?

The roots of revolution are deep in the subconscious of a modern public
already sick to death of never-ending "Holocaust" propaganda, with its
seriocomic soap opera theatrics, Newspeak buzzwords, sadomasochistic
pornography, cry-on-cue melodrama, defamation of the German people and, by
extension, the whole of our civilization.

If I were a man, my hat would be off to Ernst Zundel.


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Subject: Re: Wanted!  One superb grammarian!
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> In sum, then, I have asked two questions this time:
> 
> (1)  Who are the people you accuse of hating Zuendel?

It seems to me you do.  I can think of several others.  

> (2)  What is the name of your publication?

If you come have a cup of coffee at my site, perhaps you will find out. 
http://www.webcom.com/~ina/
>


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Subject: Re: Help!  Netscape swallows text!
Organization: AASF
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> > 
> > I work on several people's Websites (don't ask me wny. . . ) and have a
> > problem I can't seem to fix.  When I create a file and try to copy/paste
> > text into that file, sometimes the file will beep at me and not accept
> > it.
> 
> You picked a content-sensitive computer. Probably that's a part of the
> great Jewish conspiracy.
> 
That's FUNNY!  You made my day!  I didn't know that there was humor on the
internet!  

Ingrid


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In article , MaDog@world.std.com (Samuel B
Longley) wrote:

> A friend of mine has asked me to help her find the work from which a  
> certain Rilke quote was taken...
> 
> Is there a better group to post this question, or are there any Rilke 
> buffs out there?



> 
This gives me an opportunity to ask (more or less) the same question.  For
years, two missing lines have plagued me like a haunting melody.  They
pertain to the Rilke poem about a tiger or lion or leopard - I am not
sure.  But it goes like this:

Sein Blick ist im Voruebergehn der Staebe
so mued geworden, dass er nichts mehr hält.
Ihm ist's, als ob es tausend Staebe gaebe
und hinter tausend Staeben keine Welt.

______ (missing)
der sich im allerkleinsten Kreise dreht,
______(missing)
in der betäubt ein grosser Wille steht.

Nur manchmal sieht der Vorhang der Pupille
sich langsam auf.  Dann geht ein Bild hinein,
zieht durch der Glieder angespannte Stille
und hört im Herzen auf zu sein.

Can anybody fill in the missing two lines?  I think that is one of the
most beautiful poems ever written by man.

Ingrid the Wise Owl


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> 
> > What is the questions, I have not answered, please? John Morris and Daniel 
> > Keren are basing their assertations on some material, I do not have
asses to,
> > so it is a little difficult for me to form a view about this.
> 
> You have several times made the assertion that it was technically impossible
> to cremate all the people who were murdered in Auschwiz and you have offered
> no other support for this than, correct me if I'm wrong, that a friend of
> yours have talked with someone who works at a local crematorium.
> 

Let me shed some light on this controversy, with credits to whoever wrote
the article below:

Naturwissenschaft und Technik im Nationalsozialismus

Die Vergangenheitsbewaeltigung hat waehrend beinahe fuenf Jahrzehnten alle
Winkel und Ecken der nationalsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft
ausgeleuchtet.  Ein Phenomen aber ist bis heute nicht beschrieben und
untersucht worden, naemlich die Tatsache, dass es diesem
menschenverachtenden System gelungen war, seine Gesetze sogar der Natur
aufzuzwingen.  Die Beweise dafuer liegen auf der Hand, wie nachstehend
gezeigt wird;

1. Der 4. Hauptsatz der Waermelehre, der sog. nationalsozialistische,
lautete:  Die Gueltigkeit der ersten drei Hauptsaetze der Waermelehre kann
unter bestimmten politischen Bedingungen eingeschraenkt sein.

Beweis:  Leichen brannten im politischen Kraftfeld des Nationalsozialismus
wie trockenes Holz.  Durch Zugabe von Wasser konnte die Verbrennung noch
verbessert werden.
Fallbeispiele fuer die Nutzanwendung:  

Zeuge Eljiahu Rosenberg im Jerusalemer Demjanjukprozess:  "Weil die
Deutschen herausgefunden hatten, dass Frauen und Kinder besser brennen,
mussten wir die toten Maenner immer erst zum Schluss ins Feuer werfen".
(Muenchn. Abendzeitung, 27. Feb. 1987)  
Anmerkung:  Der Mensch besteht zu 60% bis 70% aus Wasser;  der hoehere
Prozentsatz gilt fuer Kinderkoerper, die lt. Zeugenaussage damals am
besten brannten.

Zeuge Szyia Warszawsky:  ". . . als die Leichen Feuer fingen, brannten sie
von selbst".  (Hauptprotokol zur Erforschung der Naziverbrechen in Polen).

Eidliche Aussage des franzoesisch-juedischen Arztes Dr. C. S. Bendel am 2.
3. 1946 vor einem allierten Militaergericht in Hamburg (Protokoll
abgedruckt in Walendy:  Auschwitz im IG-Farben-Prozess, Vloto 1981, S.
58):  "Es geschah tatsaechlich, dass 1000 Leichen, die in eine solche
Grube geworfen wurden, in einer Stunde verschwanden, sie wurden zu Asche."

2. Das nationalsozialistische Prinzip der dichten Lagerung oder die
Komprimierung der Materie ohne Druck:

Es wurde angewandt zur optimalen Fuellung der Gaskammern mit Opfern.

Zeuge Dr. Bendel (s.o. S. 55));  1000 Menschen wurden in einem Raum von
10x4x1,6 m Groesse (64 Kubikmeter) gebracht. . . . Es konnte nur mit der
deutschen Methode geschafft werden."  
Verdeutlichung:  Der Koerper eines Erwachsenen passt in einen
nationalsozialistischen Kubus von mit 40 cm Kantenlaenge.

3. Das Gesetz der spezifisch nationalsozialistischen Gasausbreitung
(Spontane homogene Diffusion in stark inhomogenen Hohlraumssystemen).

Bestaetigung durch den verhandelnden Richter Melder im Muenchner
Zuendelprozess (Nov. 1991):  In einer mit Menschen vollgestopften
Gaskammer breitete sich das langsam freiwerdende Giftgas ohne
Konzentrationsgefaelle sofort ueber den ganzen Raum aus.

4. Das Gesetz von der vollstaendigen Vernichtung der Materie:

Nachweis:  Zumindest in Treblinka sind rund 800 000 Ermordete
rueckstandslos verschwunden.

5. Das nationalsozialistische Oxydationsprinzip (Verbrennung mit
gedrosselter Sauerstoffzufuhr oder gaenzlich ohne Sauerstoff).

Anwendung zur Spurenbeseitigung bei und nach der Massenvernichtung von
Juden in Polen.  

Taeter Rudolf Hoess:  "Meist wurden die Vergasten in Gruben hinter dem
Krematorium IV verbrannt".  Und:  "Die Leichen wurden zuerst mit
OElrueckstaenden, spaeter mit Methanol uebergossen.  In den Gruben wurde
fortgesetzt verbrannt, also Tag und Nacht".  (M. Broszat, Hrsg.: 
Kommandant in Auschwitz, Muenchen 1981, S. 165, bzw. 161).

Zeugin Szlama Dragon zur Leichenverbrennung in Auschwitz (am 11. 5. 45): 
". . . befanden sich zwei 30m lange, 7m breite und 3m tiefe Gruben.  Die
Raender der Gruben waren von Rauch geschwaerzt. . . "  (Kogon, Langbein,
Rueckerl:  "Nationalsozialistische Massentoetung durch Giftgas",
Frankfurt/M 1983, S. 211).

Verdeutlichung:  Feuer hat in einer Grube normalerweise eine ungenuegende
Sauerstoffversorgung.  Ohne die nationalsozialische Technik ist es heute
nicht einmal moeglich, Holz- oder Papierstapel in den beschriebenen 3m
tiefen Gruben zu verbrennen, geschweige denn Leichenhaufen.

Anmerkung:  Die Anwendung des laut Zeugenaussagen ueberall genutzten
nationalsozialistischen Oxydationsprinzips gelang in Auschwitz in
vollendeter Weise, naemlich unter Wasser;  denn im Bereich des
Lagerkomplexes reicht der Grundwasserstand bis dicht unter die
Gelaendeoberflaeche (vgl. Foto im Magazin der Sueddeutschen Zeitung vom 6.
12. 91:  ein Teich beim Krematorium IV);  die Verbrennungsgruben standen
also voll Wasser.

6. Das Gesetz von der rassischen Bedingtheit der
Blausaeure-Empfindlichkeit (Die selektive Wirkung von HCN auf Homo sapiens
hebraicus).

Nachweis:  Die Gaskammern lagen in Auschwitz teilweise in unmittelbarer
Naehe der anderen Lagereinrichtungen, z. B. neben dem SS-Lazarett.  Die
fortgesetzte Entlueftung der Gaskammern in die Umgebung hat die
Wachmannschaften - sicherlich genetisch bedingt - nicht beeintraechtigt. 
Bemerkenswert ist allerdings, dass auch die juedische Arbeitskommandos
gegen die Giftwirkung nach einer noch nicht bekannten
nationalsozialistischen Methode immunisiert werden konnten;  denn sie
holten ohne Handschuhe, Schutzanzuege und Gasmasken jeweils sofort die
Leichen aus den Gaskammern.  (Broszat, a.a.O. S. 130).

7. Der Gaskammer-Effekt.

Im Kraftfeld der nationalsozialistischen Gaskammer tritt eine
Wellenaenderung des Lichtes ein, sodass Unsichtbares sichtbar wird.

Zeuge Boeck, Angehoeriger der SS-Wachmannschaften, berichtete im
Frankfurter Auschwitz-Prozess (1964/65), dass er die Raeumkommandos im
blauen Dunst der Blausaeure arbeiten sah.

Hinweis:  Blausaeuregas ist normalerweise farblos;  h. h. nicht sichtbar.

8. Das nationalsozialistische Prinzip zur Erzeugung von Kohlenmonoxid mit
Hilfe des Dieselmotors.

Nachweis fuer Treblinka:  "In einem angebauten Raum stand ein Dieselmotor,
der giftiges Kohlenmonoxid erzeugte".  (Kogon, Langbein, Rueckerl, a.a.O.
S. 163).

Nachweis fuer Belzec:  "Der Motor selbst stand. . . Er wurde mit
Dieselkraftstoff betrieben."  (Zit. Gerstein bei Kogon, Langbein,
Rueckerl, a.a.O. S. 173).

Hinweis:  Ein idealer Giftgasgenerator haette damals praktisch in Gestalt
des Holzgasgenerators zur Verfuegung gestanden;  das damit  erzeugte
Motortreibgas enthaelt mit 32 Vol-% einen sehr hohen Anteil an
hochgiftigen Kohlenmonoxid (Meyers Enzycl. Lexikon Bd. 12, S. 207, 1974). 
Die besonderen Umstaende der Kriegszeit liessen es aber offenbar geraten
erscheinen, die Holzgasgeneratoren zur Aufrechterhaltung des
Lastwagenverkehrs an der Heimatfront zu belassen.  The Vernichtungslager
im Osten mussten sich daher mit dem Dieselmotor behelfen, der zwar unter
den heutigen politischen Bedingungen nur die ungefaehrliche Konzentration
von ca 0,05 Vol-% Kohlenmonoxid ausstoesst (Meyers Enzycl. Lexikon Bd. 1,
S. 88, 1971).  Die Zustaende in der nationalsozialistischen
Gewaltherrschaft erlaubten es aber offensichtlich, dem Dieselmotor -
entgegen den Absichten seines Erfinders - einen wesentlich hoeheren
Kohlenmonoxid-Ausstoss abzugewinnen.  Allerdings musste man hierzu den
damals sehr knappen Dieseltreibstoff opfern;  der Holzvergaser haette sich
mit Holzabfaellen begnuegt.

Diese nur beispielhaft genannten, furchterregenden Faehigkeiten des
Terrorregimes haetten von Naturwissenschaftlern und Technikern laengst
aufgezeigt werden muessen.  Denn die Kenntnis dieser Dinge rundet das Bild
des Nationalsozialismus erst vollends ab.  Es verwundert, dass sie der
Welt bisher nicht vermittelt worden ist, obwohl die Siegermaechte 1945
Tausende von Wissenschaftlern und alle Patente und Forschungsergebnisses
aus dem besiegten Deutschland als Beute mitgenommen haben.


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Sat Sep 30 10:02:26 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
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Subject: The Zundelsite Saga continues!
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September 23, 1995

Never have so many . . . quaked before so few . . . who have done so much
. . . for so long . . . with so little!

Just as predicted and hotly denied by special interest groups who are
desperately courting your Internet "vote,"  censorship IS at the core of
what might happen to the Zundelsite.  "Emergency!" is the cloak the tyrant
always wears! 

At stake is ". . . who controls the Internet," and once again, the
"Zundelists" are center stage and the now well-known Zundel Struggle one
more time at the forefront of the imminent censorship battle shaping up in
Canada.  

Increasingly, individuals and groups collectively known as "The Holocaust
Lobby" are trying to silence their opposition, partly by courting mob
response.  

In an article by K.K. Campbell, (The Toronto Star, September 28, 1995) the
writer states authoritatively :  "Thus will the likes of Ernst Zundel be
banished from cyberspace."

Find out about the rest by visiting the "Zundelsite" and checking the news
section:  http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Sat Sep 30 10:02:27 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
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September 23, 1995

Never have so many . . . quaked before so few . . . who have done so much
. . . for so long . . . with so little!

Just as predicted and hotly denied by special interest groups who are
desperately courting your Internet "vote,"  censorship IS at the core of
what might happen to the Zundelsite.  "Emergency!" is the cloak the tyrant
always wears! 

At stake is ". . . who controls the Internet," and once again, the
"Zundelists" are center stage and the now well-known Zundel Struggle one
more time at the forefront of the imminent censorship battle shaping up in
Canada.  

Increasingly, individuals and groups collectively known as "The Holocaust
Lobby" are trying to silence their opposition, partly by courting mob
response.  

In an article by K.K. Campbell, (The Toronto Star, September 28, 1995) the
writer states authoritatively :  "Thus will the likes of Ernst Zundel be
banished from cyberspace."

Find out about the rest by visiting the "Zundelsite" and checking the news
section:  http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Sat Sep 30 10:07:15 PDT 1995
Article: 4691 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
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September 23, 1995

Never have so many . . . quaked before so few . . . who have done so much
. . . for so long . . . with so little!

Just as predicted and hotly denied by special interest groups who are
desperately courting your Internet "vote,"  censorship IS at the core of
what might happen to the Zundelsite.  "Emergency!" is the cloak the tyrant
always wears! 

At stake is ". . . who controls the Internet," and once again, the
"Zundelists" are center stage and the now well-known Zundel Struggle one
more time at the forefront of the imminent censorship battle shaping up in
Canada.  

Increasingly, individuals and groups collectively known as "The Holocaust
Lobby" are trying to silence their opposition, partly by courting mob
response.  

In an article by K.K. Campbell, (The Toronto Star, September 28, 1995) the
writer states authoritatively :  "Thus will the likes of Ernst Zundel be
banished from cyberspace."

Find out about the rest by visiting the "Zundelsite" and checking the news
section:  http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Sat Sep 30 10:09:39 PDT 1995
Article: 59425 of soc.culture.german
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
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Subject: Re: Rainer M Rilke
Date: 29 Sep 1995 03:12:12 GMT
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In article <2!auf-&i@mk2.maus.sauerland.de>, gl@mk2.maus.sauerland.de
(Gerhard Lenssen) wrote:

> Hallo Ingrid,
> >
> Der Panther (im Jardin des Plantes, Paris)
>         Von Rainer Maria Rilke
> 
> >
> > Can anybody fill in the missing two lines?  I think that is one of the
> > most beautiful poems ever written by man.
> Yes, I agree - and I have to thank you for asking, because so I read it
> the first time in full length.
> Tschuess, Gerhard

Hey, thanks, Gerhard.  I've got at least one friend on earth!  The reason
I asked for this poem's missing lines was because it reminded me of both
Germany and America - those part that no longer know who they are.

Ingrid

P.S.  I'm not a pseudonym.  I'm me!  My grandma always said to tell the
truth, regardless of the consequences.


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Sat Sep 30 10:09:40 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
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Subject: Re: Rainer M Rilke
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> 
> DER PANTHER
> 
> _Im Jardin des Plantes, Paris_
> 
> Sein Blick ist vom Voruebergehn der Staebe
> so mued geworden, dass er nichts mehr hält.
> Ihm ist, als ob es tausend Staebe gaebe
> und hinter tausend Staeben keine Welt.
> 
> 
> Der weiche Gang geschmeidig starker Schritte,
> der sich im allerkleinsten Kreise dreht,
> ist wie ein Tanz von Kraft um eine Mitte,
> in der betäubt ein grosser Wille steht.
> 
> Nur manchmal schiebt [not sieht] der Vorhang der Pupille
> sich lautlos auf--.  Dann geht ein Bild hinein,
> geht durch der Glieder angespannte Stille
> und hört im Herzen auf zu sein.
> 
> >Can anybody fill in the missing two lines?  I think that is one of the
> >most beautiful poems ever written by man.
> 
> I took this from Stephen Mitchell's _The Selected Poetry of Rainer Maria 
> Rilke_, Vintage Books. The poem is part of the _New Poems_.
> 
> 
> >
> >Ingrid the Wise Owl
> 
> 
> Jordi the Lazy Cricket

Dear Lazy Cricket:

Can I put you to work?  Is there a sensitive translation in English?  A
long, long time ago, a friend once read it to me, but I don't remember if
it was in English or Spanish.  I do remember the cadence, which rocked my
heart and soul.

Thanks in advance

Ingrid


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Sat Sep 30 12:10:24 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
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Subject: The Zundelsite Saga continues!
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September 23, 1995

Never have so many . . . quaked before so few . . . who have done so much
. . . for so long . . . with so little!

Just as predicted and hotly denied by special interest groups who are
desperately courting your Internet "vote,"  censorship IS at the core of
what might happen to the Zundelsite.  "Emergency!" is the cloak the tyrant
always wears! 

At stake is ". . . who controls the Internet," and once again, the
"Zundelists" are center stage and the now well-known Zundel Struggle one
more time at the forefront of the imminent censorship battle shaping up in
Canada.  

Increasingly, individuals and groups collectively known as "The Holocaust
Lobby" are trying to silence their opposition, partly by courting mob
response.  

In an article by K.K. Campbell, (The Toronto Star, September 28, 1995) the
writer states authoritatively :  "Thus will the likes of Ernst Zundel be
banished from cyberspace."

Find out about the rest by visiting the "Zundelsite" and checking the news
section:  http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/


From IRimland@mail.cts.com Sat Sep 30 13:09:17 PDT 1995
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From: IRimland@mail.cts.com (Ingrid Rimland)
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September 23, 1995

Never have so many . . . quaked before so few . . . who have done so much
. . . for so long . . . with so little!

Just as predicted and hotly denied by special interest groups who are
desperately courting your Internet "vote,"  censorship IS at the core of
what might happen to the Zundelsite.  "Emergency!" is the cloak the tyrant
always wears! 

At stake is ". . . who controls the Internet," and once again, the
"Zundelists" are center stage and the now well-known Zundel Struggle one
more time at the forefront of the imminent censorship battle shaping up in
Canada.  

Increasingly, individuals and groups collectively known as "The Holocaust
Lobby" are trying to silence their opposition, partly by courting mob
response.  

In an article by K.K. Campbell, (The Toronto Star, September 28, 1995) the
writer states authoritatively :  "Thus will the likes of Ernst Zundel be
banished from cyberspace."

Find out about the rest by visiting the "Zundelsite" and checking the news
section:  http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/



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