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From: Greg Raven 
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Subject: Re: Ausrotten again
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 09:58:47 -0700
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To: Jamie McCarthy 

Jamie McCarthy wrote:
> 
> (A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
> alt.revisionism)
> 
> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> 
> > AFAIK, the recording covers only the first paragraph.
> 
> I'm jumping into the middle of this conversation, so I didn't see the
> context.  If someone had asked how much of the Oct. 4th speech was on
> tape, the answer is "all of it," all three hours and ten minutes.
> 
> > The one with the "most of you know what it is to see 100 corpses
> > lying side by side, or 500, or a 1,000".
> >
> > Some "evacuation".
> 
> And don't forget the quote from the next paragraph:
> 
>    We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it,
>    to kill this people who would kill us.
> 
> In case anyone revisionists want to object to the translation -- and I'm
> sure they'd love to find a reason -- I'll make it easy on them. The noun
> is "dieses Volk" (the same as "unserem Volk" which refers to the German
> people).  The verb is "umbringen."  "To kill this people" is the best
> translation, in my opinion, but other acceptable alternatives would be
> "to kill this race," or the nontranslation "to kill this Volk."
> 
> And:
> 
>    Because we don't want, at the end of all this, to get sick and
>    die from the same bacillus that we have exterminated.
> 
> The verb there is "ausrotten."  Perhaps our "revisionists" on this forum
> would like to explain how Himmler was using a colorful idiom about
> transporting bacteria out of the Reich on microscopic trains.
> 
> And don't forget -- according to Greg Raven, this speech doesn't count
> as evidence for the Holocaust, because Himmler doesn't say anything
> about gas chambers!

I don't deny there was a Holocaust, so it is immaterial whether or not
this speech offers any proof.

The revisionist posotion deals not with the Holocaust per se, but with
claims of mass extermination in Nazi gas chambers during the Holocaust.
Because Himmler's speech does not mention homicidal gas chambers, it
cannot be used as proof that the Nazis constructed and used homicidal
gas chambers.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg



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