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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 09:33:18 PDT 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Where smoke and flame stories come from
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 05:31:45 GMT
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In <4qncur$lso@news-e2b.gnn.com>, Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann)
wrote:


>In article  Daniel Keren wrote:
>>The "revisionist argument" was summed up by one of the
>>"revisionists" who was honest enough:
>>
>>

>Mr. Keren, your hatred has blinded you.  Your stereotyping and 
>group-association is what I would have hoped that you stood most 
>strongly against.  To condemn all revisionists because Milton Kleim 
>is a Neo-Nazi is ludicrous.  

Are you certain about this, Mr. Widmann?  Unless I am very much
mistaken, Dr. Keren was referring to the _argument_, not the
proponents thereof.  Let's re-examine the quote which you deleted:



Message-ID: <1993Dec16.083247.7321@msus1.msus.edu>
 
* I am an admirer of Adolf Hitler.  I embrace National Socialism.  I
* would do so even if the Holocaust *were* fact, which I honestly
* believe it is not.  I would do so even if Hitler and his system
* had killed *60* million Jews.
 


Dr. Keren then concludes:

>That says it all. This is the best summary of the "revisionist
>argument".

Sorry, but I don't see any "stereotyping" or "group association"  - or
even any condemnation.  As far as I can tell, he didn't label anyone,
he simply expressed his opinion that these were the words of an
"honest revisionist" .  

>bigotry that allowed Nazism to occur in the first place.  You need 
>to step back and make sure that you are not becoming that which you 
>most despise.  Why not ask Mr. Garaudy if he too is a Nazi?

Did Dr. Keren label Milton Kleim a Neo-Nazi (or even a Nazi) - or
accuse him of bigotry and being "blinded by hatred"?  No!  He was
merely putting forward a quote which, in his opinion, "summarized the
revisionist _argument_."   Is this now a "thoughtcrime", Mr. Widmann?!

Perhaps the one who needs to step back is not Dr. Keren, but yourself.
After all, he made _no_ accusations, did _not_ engage in stereotyping
_nor_ in "group association".  

>This argument is the old and tired one which has no real viability 
>on alt.revisionism.  This is not part of a discussion of 
>revisionism.  It is old fashioned name-calling.  

Indeed, we have seen many "old tired arguments" on alt. revisionism,
Mr. Widmann.  In fact I have noticed that they are recyled with an
almost predictable regularity.  

But since you have raised the issues of "stereotyping", "group
association" and "name-calling", Mr. Widmann, when might we expect to
see _your_ condemnation of those who _are_ so quick to use labels such
as "holohuggers", "holohoaxers" etc.?

>Can you discuss 
>revisionism and ideas without using the word Nazi?  I wonder.

Uh, I think Dr. Keren just did.  The question is, can you and your
colleagues at CODOH?

Posted and e-mailed to Mr. Widmann and Dr. Keren

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 09:33:19 PDT 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Baron exposes shameless Jewish Holocaust liars
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In <4r1pcm$asn@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606)
wrote:

>In article <4r1ehm$h2q@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
>writes:

>>
>>>I wonder about you, Mr. Ehrlich.  Does calling a fellow poster a "cunt"
>not
>>>imply a little hate?  Does making sexist, racist remarks not imply a
>little
>>>hate?  Does making anti-semitic remarks not imply a little hate?  Does
>doing
>>>*all* of the above, in the last week alone, not imply a *lot* of hate? 
>>>Giwer has done all that.
>>
>>>--
>>>Gord McFee

>Well, since you are in the mood for questions, what about these?  Do the
>expressions *String him up!*, *String up that puppy, twice!*, and *Hang
>them all!* imply hate?  Do you think it odd that such expressions of hate
>be directed at individuals who have already been dead for 50 years?  And
>since those remarks emanated from your side of the aisle, what does that
>say about the hate fighters on your side?

Excuse me, Mr. Ehrlich.  Your evasion of the questions put by Mr.
McFee is duly noted.   However, the exhortations you cite have been
taken completely out of context.  But since you did see fit to
introduce them into this discussion, have you forgotten that these
"individuals" were murderers found guilty of war crimes and/or crimes
against humanity.  

Would you have us believe that there are some reasonable parallels we
should infer from your response?  Or is it simply the case that you
believe these murderers should be accorded respect?

It would seem that not content with defending the "honour" of the
perpetrators of Holocaust, Mr. Ehrlich has also taken on the
monumental challenge of defending the "honour" of a boorish
foul-mouthed troll.

My! What a noble, high-minded and fair person we have in our midst.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 09:33:20 PDT 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: "Untangling"
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I might have named this topic "What a tangled web he weaves ...."  If
after reading this you have a more appropriate *title* for this
particular "untangling", please do let me know.  Sorry, it's so long,
but ... in the interest of truth in posting, I felt obliged to
document each twist and turn along the way.

In <4r0963$mk4@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606)
wrote:

>In article <4quno3$p9o@atlas.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary
>Ostrov) writes:

>>
>>>>
>>>>In any case, Ehrlich606, I think you owe Ms. Ostrov and Nizkor an
>>>>apology, since she was not in error on this point of fact.
>>>>
>>>>

>OK, I am sorry I characterized the attribution of the post in question to
>me as a *typical Nizkor distortion.*

Hmmm ... is this an apology I see before me?  Now what was this "point
of fact" to which Mr. McCarthy refers?  Ah, yes, I remember now!  We
were "all just learning to read":

Message-ID: <4qpucd$q7b@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

[I had noted a series of Topics that Mr. Ehrlich had initiated which I
found offensive.  One title was "Rekindling Ovens:  Dachau
Gassings?" ]

Mr. Ehrlich commented:

	... nor do I see how they are particularly offensive.  Moreover, I

	never titled a string *Rekindling Ovens*.  Typical Nizkor distortion.

In other words,  one could reasonably infer that Mr. Ehrlich was
suggesting that I was perhaps oversensitive, but more importantly he
was calling _me_ a liar.  And he added insult to injury by casting
aspersions on Nizkor as well.

In my response [Message-ID: <4qq9fq$9aq@atlas.uniserve.com>], I
provided the factual refutation of this allegation.  This included the
full headers of the post in question and the DejaNews URL where the
post could be verified - if the honourable gentleman still doubted my
word.  

In the interest of conserving bandwidth, and because it was his
authorship of the *title* that was in dispute, I had omitted the text.
Besides I rather thought that if he wanted to see the text, he could
easily do so, since I _had_ provided the URL.

One would reasonably expect that a retraction and an apology would be
immediately forthcoming. 

Alas, this was not to be the case.  Instead, the honourable gentleman
jumped on his high horse (he must have been in a hurry because he
*dropped* his original allegation - and the significant part of my
refutation thereof - along the way) and proclaimed: 

<4qspsh$8j0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> 

	I never posted such a message.  Since I have already had my name

	forged on this board, I would like to know what this *message* I 	
	*composed* actually says. 

The timestamp of this message, btw, was 26 Jun 1996 21:58:41 -0400.

I found this new, improved denial (with it's new, improved stronger
implied allegations) somewhat puzzling in light of the fact that I had
read the following _earlier_ the same day.



From: ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Color of Zyklon: Call Me Zyklon Blue
Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:18:29 -0400
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In article <4qqeo8$lia@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU>, rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU
(Richard J. Green) writes:

>
>If true, I apologize for the insinuation.
>
>

No sweat.  You can't tell the players without a program.



For the record, Mr. Ehrlich had deleted the following from the message
to which he was responding:

	This is a blatant forgery.  Period.  I have never posted under the 	
	name Ruth Sommers.

Well, he got _his_ apology pretty fast - and had no trouble accepting
it.  But, at this point I was still waiting for mine!  Which I
obviously wasn't going to receive until Mr. Ehrlich was provided with
the full text of the post in question.

Mr. McCarthy was kind enough to provide the honourable gentleman with
the full text (and at the same time picked up the original allegation
which Mr. Ehrlich had *dropped*)

Mr. Ehrlich *dropped* the original allegation once more, as well as
the helpful DejaNews URL Mr. McCarthy had kindly provided. He
responded: 

Date: 27 Jun 1996 13:31:40 -0400
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	>In any case, Ehrlich606, I think you owe Ms. Ostrov and Nizkor an
	>apology, since she was not in error on this point of fact.

	OK, Now I remember this one.  There had been another string of this

	title initiated by someone else. [...]

	I am big enough to admit that I was wrong, as I _appear_ to have been

	in this case. In other words, I admit to writing the post, but I am 	
	not so sure about the title.

	However, my name _has_ been forged on this board, [...]

What's this I see?  The honourable gentleman now admits he
"_appear[s]_ to have been" wrong in the case of the _text_.  But
responsibility for authorship of the _title_ is again in question.

For the record, the matter of the forgery of his name has _already_
been dealt with.  He has received (and acknowledged) two - count 'em
folks - two apologies for the same matter (from the same person).
Here's the second one:



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In article <4qsbaa$pk6@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU>, rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU
(Richard J. Green) writes:

>
>It was unsupported hearsay which I unfortunately believed.  I attributed
>your words as if you and she were the same person.  I have no evidence
>for that claim so I retract it and apologize.
>
>Regards,
>
>Rich Green
> 

OK OK.  Don't mean to flame you, I just want it straight. Best
Regards.



Interestingly enough while I was waiting for Mr. Ehrlich's response to
the following [Message-ID: <4quno3$p9o@atlas.uniserve.com>]:

	Perhaps Mr. Ehrlich, instead of relying on his recall, should take 	
	Mr. McCarthy's advice:  Go to DejaNews and in the search box type in 
	the words "Rekindling Ovens".  He will then find confirmation that 
	there is no reference to these words prior to the post in question.

I did come across an apology from him, but it was _clearly_ not
addressed to me (I picked up that clue instantly from the first words
of the Topic: "To People I Respect ...").  It was one of his longer,
philosophical posts - addressed to "Anon".  I was struck by the
closing words in this apology: "Play Ball!"

And when the response finally arrived (I'll save you the trouble of
scrolling all the way back up again - sorry this is so long, but some
webs take longer to untangle than others!) I was anticipating that he
would have followed the gentlemanly example set by Mr. Green.  

Just in case you've forgotten folks, Mr. Ehrlich had, in effect,
called _me_ a liar. In his response he had removed _all_ context and
wrote:



>In article <4quno3$p9o@atlas.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary
>Ostrov) writes:

>>
>>>>
>>>>In any case, Ehrlich606, I think you owe Ms. Ostrov and Nizkor an
>>>>apology, since she was not in error on this point of fact.
>>>>
>>>>

>OK, I am sorry I characterized the attribution of the post in question to
>me as a *typical Nizkor distortion.*



Is this an apology I see before me?  You decide.  And hey, "Anon,"
whoever you are, if you're reading this and you do decide to "Play
Ball!" with Mr. Ehrlich, please do be _very_ careful.

Posted and e-mailed to Mr. Ehrlich, Mr. McCarthy and Mr. Green

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 09:33:21 PDT 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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In <4r44ip$f4h@atlas.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary
Ostrov) wrote:

>I might have named this topic "What a tangled web he weaves ...."  If
>after reading this you have a more appropriate *title* for this
>particular "untangling", please do let me know.  Sorry, it's so long,
>but ... in the interest of truth in posting, I felt obliged to
>document each twist and turn along the way.

[text deleted for brevity]

>For the record, the matter of the forgery of his name has _already_
>been dealt with.  He has received (and acknowledged) two - count 'em
>folks - two apologies for the same matter (from the same person).
>Here's the second one:

The first line of the above paragraph should be amended to read as
follows:

	For the record, the matter of the "forgery" of his name has _already_

This correction is necessary and I apologize to Mr. Green for my
inadvertent omission of the quotation marks.  Use of the word
*forgery* _without_ the quotation marks leaves the erroneous
impression that a serious breach of netiquette had transpired i.e.
that a user has deliberately made a posting using the *user ID* of
another user.

As all headers in the relevant posts confirm, clearly there has been
_no_ indication whatsoever that any of the posts from
 have been made by anyone other than
.

This, of course, was confirmed by Mr. Green's first apology (cited in
my original "Untangling" post: [Mr.Ehrlich's first acknowledgement])
and by his second apology and further clarification (cited in my
original "Untangling" post: [Mr. Ehrlich's second acknowledgement]).
Both of which are repeated here, for the record:





From: ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Color of Zyklon: Call Me Zyklon Blue
Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:18:29 -0400
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In article <4qqeo8$lia@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU>, rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU
(Richard J. Green) writes:

>
>If true, I apologize for the insinuation.
>
>

No sweat.  You can't tell the players without a program.



For the record, Mr. Ehrlich had deleted the following from the message
to which he was responding:

	This is a blatant forgery.  Period.  I have never posted under the 	
	name Ruth Sommers.







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In article <4qsbaa$pk6@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU>, rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU
(Richard J. Green) writes:

>
>It was unsupported hearsay which I unfortunately believed.  I attributed
>your words as if you and she were the same person.  I have no evidence
>for that claim so I retract it and apologize.
>
>Regards,
>
>Rich Green
> 

OK OK.  Don't mean to flame you, I just want it straight. Best
Regards.





 I believe that I made this error only once (as noted above).  Other
instances of omitted quotation marks from the word *forgery* (and
variants thereof) can be found in my text.  However, to the best of my
knowledge, these errors of omission are not mine, but rather those of
the poster whose text was reproduced within the body of my post.

Once again, Mr. Green, please accept my apologies for my original
oversight. 

Posted and e-mailed to Mr. Green, Mr. Ehrlich and Mr. McCarthy

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 15:33:31 PDT 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: ADL rabbi trys to weasel
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In <31cffa2b.5860058@news.pacificnet.net>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom
moran aka the denier in search of a persona) wrote:


[text deleted for brevity]
>	
>To maintain the essence of his denial the rest of the short letter has
>been omitted. Mr.Mittleman can post the remainder in an attempt to
>show the rabbi isn't just holding up the spoon of chutzpah.

TRANSLATION: There is nothing in this letter which supports my case
so in keeping with rule no. 2. a) of the Denier Handbook (which I have
been studying assiduously so that I can pass my course in Denier 101)
I'll do my best to keep the comment out of context.  Hey, I just might
be able to succeed in fooling someone!

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 15:33:33 PDT 1996
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In <4qpak4$25qg@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
wrote:

>In article <4qm8u1$9c6@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
>(Ken McVay OBC) said:


>>      "Are you saying that I should have insulting the Jewish 
>>      reputation for integrity by saying only Jew and thus 
>>      implying that we is observant?" (Matt Giwer)

>Mr. McVay, I am shocked.  Here you are posting "raw" Giwerian without the
>obligatory translation.  Shame!  Do you really think everyone in this
>newsgroup understands Giwerian-Trollish as well as you do?  Have a heart,
>sir!

Mr. McFee, how could you?!  Did you not see the memo that advised that
Mr. McVay, the world's foremost expert on Giwerundish, has to date
been unable to break the code of this particular passage - and that
until such time as he has met this monumental challenge we are to make
NO allusion whatsoever to the possibility that there might even be a
translation.  Shame on you, Mr. McFee!  How on earth are we to
maintain the secrecy of our noble conspiracy when there are traitors
like you amongst us?

hro


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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 15:33:34 PDT 1996
Article: 47146 of alt.revisionism
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Where smoke and flame stories come from
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:34:49 GMT
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In <4qoh46$m66@news-e2d.gnn.com>, Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann)
wrote:

[snip]

>Revisionism is a label.  It has as much and as little value as just 
>about any other label.  Classical music is a label as well.  Listen 
>closely and you will find many different ideas. 

Indeed it is ... and one, I might add, that many of the authors to
whom you referred appear to have expropriated so that others might be
persuaded that they are engaging in the accepted practice of
historical revisionism.  Unfortunately, the works of those to whom you
have referred do not meet the standards and criteria for this practice
and consequently have devalued this particular label.

But I do find your music analogy somewhat apt.  Those writers to whom
you have referred tend to hit the same few notes - reminds me of much
of contemporary symphonic music which to my ear is a veritable
caucophony.  But if one listens carefully, one will find that they are
all variations on the same theme.  In my humble opinion, of course.

Posted.  (Courtesy copy not e-mailed to Mr. Widmann who has requested
that I refrain from this practice)

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jun 30 15:33:35 PDT 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Baron exposes shameless Jewish Holocaust liars
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In <4qpk2d$lif@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606)
wrote:

>In article <4qn32t$qu@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)
>writes:

>>
>>2. The above analysis refers to the currently 50% or so of the newsgroup
>>   that does not concern Prince Myshkin, of course. The Myshkin half is
>>   all trolling. I don't think Myshkin has anything particular against
>>   Jews or for Hitler. He just hates everybody.
>>
>>

>Thanks for the vote of confidence, pal.  As for Myshkin, aka Matt, I think
>you misjudge him.  He doesn't hate anybody.  

Well, golly gee, Mr. E. I suppose you might have a greater insight
into Myshkin's character and motivations than the rest of us.  But
then all we have to go by are his postings to this newsgroup.

>But he doesn't have to kiss up to anybody either.

Hmmm ... interesting non sequitur, Mr. E.  Then again, it might simply
be gratuitous innuendo.  I see that you haven't forsaken the eloquent
ambiguity which I found to be a hallmark of your posts the last time
you graced us with your presence, Mr. E.

hro

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