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From: Kanuk 
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"Mr. Death' is Fred Leuchter, the American extermination specialist, who was an
unknown until he was commissioned by Ernst Zundel to determine the question of
whether the Germans could have killed millions of people by gassing as depicted
in Hollywood-style Holocaust tales. His _Leuchter Report_ concluded that the
"gas chambers" operation was impossible. Fred Leuchter is now famous in
historical circles dedicated to telling the truth about WWII. See
http://www.ihr.org/index.html or http://codoh.com/

David Irving, universally regarded as a leading WWII historian, until he read
the Leuchter Report and changed his mind about the Auschwitz "gas chambers" has
posted on his web site http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html that CBC's Newsworld
channel is today (Sunday) airing the "documentary" _Mr. Death_ on The Passionate
Eye (or Sunday Showcase?). Why would Jewish controlled CBC permit a film about
Leuchter to be broadcast?

Leuchter did his research back in 1988 for the defense at the second Zundel
false news trial. He secretly went to Poland with his assistants and visited
some WWII work camps including Auschwitz. There he bent the rules to quietly
scrape samples from the morgue, commonly promoted as the "gas chamber". He had
all his samples analysed by a Jewish chemist in the US who, not knowing where
they had come from, reported no cyanide from the "gas chambers" but lots from
the delousing rooms (where the camp administrators attempted to kill the lice
that were causing typhus amongst the inmates).

However, according to comments I have seen about the "Mr. Death" film, the spin
is to attempt to discredit Leuchter. CBC's pre-screening publicity at
http://cbc.ca/programs/sites/pe.html uses this language:- "... disturbing
eccentric ...", "... geekish-looking and bespectacled  ...", "notorious neo-Nazi
Ernst Zundel ...", "... Leuchter got pulled in way over his head ...", "..
unsettling portrait of Leuchter, a film that explores the origins of evil in
vanity and self-deception.". It is likely that the film does also, as suggested,
attempt to discredit the author of the report that seriously wounds the gas
chambers myth.

Fortunately, for those interested in the struggle for public exposure of the
Holocaust lies, the Leuchter Report is available unedited on many revisionist
sites. See Ingrid Rimland's - "Zündelsite" http://www.zundelsite.org/ For those
of you who can play audio and video on your computers, there is material at
http://www.revisionism.com/index2.html which you will never learn of from
controlled media sources.

After, Leuchter produced his report, the enforcers of the Holocaust legend went
after him and, needless to say, destroyed his career. (They tried the same with
David Irving but ended up making him and Leuchter quite well known. The
devastating Leuchter findings were not publicized in 1998 because powerful
Jewish organizations imposed a media blackout on the trial.)

I intend to watch "Mr. Death" but will be watching the spin which I expect will
indeed be an effort to discredit Leucher and ... the bottom line ... to
reinforce the Hollywood "gas chambers" telling. Then I'll compare with the
revisionist sites accounts. Don't slump back and soak it all up ... watch it
with a critical, passionate eye.

Keep in mind, that regardless of how they present Leuchter, his findings have
been replicated by others since and although there are minor flaws, the report's
basic finding is confirmed - no residues of cyanide in the "gas chambers" but
lots elsewhere.



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In article <94f9rc0bvm@edrn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
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>"Mr. Death' is Fred Leuchter, the American extermination specialist, who was an
>unknown until he was commissioned by Ernst Zundel to determine the question of
>whether the Germans could have killed millions of people by gassing as depicted
>in Hollywood-style Holocaust tales. His _Leuchter Report_ concluded that the
>"gas chambers" operation was impossible. Fred Leuchter is now famous in
>historical circles dedicated to telling the truth about WWII. See
>http://www.ihr.org/index.html or http://codoh.com/

There is a review of this film, "Mr. Death" found at the Institute for
Historical Review. It begins:-
-------------------------------
Reviewed by Greg Raven

"Mr. Death" is a stylized documentary that deals with the life and work of Fred
A. Leuchter, Jr., a US Federal Court qualified expert in execution technology.
On the basis of his qualifications, in 1988 Leuchter was commissioned by
German-Canadian publisher Ernst Zündel to conduct the first thorough forensic
examination of the alleged Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz and Birkenau in
Poland. After Leuchter testified that the alleged facilities were not -- and
could not have been -- used for mass extermination, Jewish activists ruined his
life. (See Winter 1992 Journal, pp. 421-492)

Even though director Errol Morris is known for his portrayals of eccentrics
("Stairway to Heaven," "Fast, Cheap & Out of Control," "The Thin Blue Line," and
"Gates of Heaven"), his choice of Leuchter as a subject may seem odd,
considering that Morris is Jewish and claims to have lost relatives in the
Holocaust, while Jewish groups have attempted to portray Leuchter as a dangerous
anti-Semite.
----------------------------
For the full review go to
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p62_Raven.html



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From: Kanuk 
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In article <3a6b6702.23920082@news>, rickjay@execs.com says...
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>On 21 Jan 2001 10:30:04 -0800, Kanuk  wrote:
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>>"Mr. Death' is Fred Leuchter, the American extermination specialist, who was an
>>unknown until he was commissioned by Ernst Zundel to determine the question of
>>whether the Germans could have killed millions of people by gassing as depicted
>>in Hollywood-style Holocaust tales. His _Leuchter Report_ concluded that the
>>"gas chambers" operation was impossible. Fred Leuchter is now famous in
>>historical circles dedicated to telling the truth about WWII. 
>
>Never mind that Leuchter's report was almost entirely erroneous and
>that Mr. Leuchter has no qualifications for the "Expertise" he claims
>to possess.  He is popular only among fools.

Then if Leuchter's report is "almost entirely erroneous" and he has "no
qualifications", why don't the Holocaust promoters commission their own error
free investigation by well qualified experts to settle the matter? Thirteen
years later they have not done so - because they know that they, too, will find
no cyanide residue in the "gas chambers". Period.

Accept Leuchter's findings, put up your own report or shut-up.



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In article <94f9rc0bvm@edrn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>
>I intend to watch "Mr. Death" but will be watching the spin which I expect will
>indeed be an effort to discredit Leucher and ... the bottom line ... to
>reinforce the Hollywood "gas chambers" telling. Then I'll compare with the
>revisionist sites accounts. Don't slump back and soak it all up ... watch it
>with a critical, passionate eye.
>
>Keep in mind, that regardless of how they present Leuchter, his findings have
>been replicated by others since and although there are minor flaws, the report's
>basic finding is confirmed - no residues of cyanide in the "gas chambers" but
>lots elsewhere.

OK boys. I just watched the film and classify it as another Holocaust promotion
movie, by the jew, Errol Morris. Its theme was that the gas chambers were used
and that Leuchter is a naive simpleton.

Interesting how Leuchter was sought out by various US states as a competent
expert ... until he testified in Toronto and learned of the hoax ... then the
jews went after him and, using the techniques of movie makers, portray him as
someone who does not know what he is doing.

Interesting how David Irving was a renowned WWII historian and author, whose
books were grabbed up as best sellers ... until he read the Leuchter report and
learned of the hoax ... then the jews went after him too, trying to destroy his
reputation.

Interesting how the rabble of responders here have little to say to the content
of this post but try to discredit the author. All together are you boys? Is that
the strategy B'nai Brith advise in their e-mails?

Now about the Jewish version of the Leuchter report ... when can we expect it?
Will they do it at the same time as they conduct a forensic examination to see
if they can locate the four missing Zyklon induction holes? Perhaps they will do
a DNA test on that famous Holocaust museum soap to confirm that it is made of
human fat.



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From: Kanuk 
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In article <3a6cb3f9.740441@news>, rickjay@execs.com says...
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>On 21 Jan 2001 22:35:58 -0800, Kanuk  wrote:
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>>In article <3a6b6702.23920082@news>, rickjay@execs.com says...
>>>
>>>On 21 Jan 2001 10:30:04 -0800, Kanuk  wrote:
>>>
>
>>>Never mind that Leuchter's report was almost entirely erroneous and
>>>that Mr. Leuchter has no qualifications for the "Expertise" he claims
>>>to possess.  He is popular only among fools.
>>
>>Then if Leuchter's report is "almost entirely erroneous" and he has "no
>>qualifications", why don't the Holocaust promoters commission their own error
>>free investigation by well qualified experts to settle the matter? Thirteen
>>years later they have not done so - because they know that they, too, will find
>>no cyanide residue in the "gas chambers".
>
>My guess is that they haven't done so because there is no point in
>doing so.  Mr. Leuchter's claims are no more valid or important than
>Whitley Strieber's claims that he was abducted by space aliens.
>Spending money to prove something that has already been proven beyond
>and shadow of a doubt is a waste of money. 

One problem with that argument is that the holocaust enforcers are spending far
larger sums to sustain public belief in it. Errol Morris's film is a case in
point. Three Jewish hate groups, operating out of Canada, are still going after
Ernst Zundel via a tribunal - B'nai Brith, Cdn Jewish Congress & Simon
Wiesenthal Centre. They are nearing two decades of actions against Zundel now.
Any idea what that costs ... and to what end. The enforcers spare no cost to
silence speech that would expose the truth but won't lift a little finger to
determine what that truth is.

There is only one reason. If there is no cyanide residue in the gas chambers but
lots in other buildings at the Auschwitz camp then the gas chambers ... were
not. It's so simple. No cyanide residue --> no gassings --> not much left of the
Holocaust.

The Holocaust industrialists will never, never, never, never conduct a forensic
examination of the cyanide at that morgue. Never! No gas chamber ... no
Holocaust

The Holocaust industrialists will never, never, never, never send a team to find
the four holes through which the Germans were "seen" by those "eye-witnesses"
pouring the cyanide. If they did, their only "evidence" would be proven to be
false. You can't pour crystals through solid concrete. No holes? No Holocaust!

And guess why no-one has ever found a document showing Hitler ordered the
extermination of the Jews.

Guess why no document exists with details of how, when, why and where to kill
millions of Jews. Details that thousands of Germans in the camps across Poland,
Austria and Germany had to know. How many here would carry out a serious act
because of an order whispered in code?

Guess why at Treblinka, ground penetrating radar proves the ground has never
been disturbed at the very place where enforcers say the Germans buried 870,000
jews in mass graves. Again it would be a simple matter for the Holocaust
industry to do their own investigation and plonk their report alongside the one
produced by that Australian team.

So the Jewish strategy MUST always be to avoid any investigation that will bring
closure to the these questions and always suppress the speech and discredit
those who would expose the truth ... Irving, leuchter, Zundel and the rest ...
and always retain control of the media and what films are fed to us.



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From: Kanuk 
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In article <3A6D1322.5A5C9F0E@telus.net>, Werner says...
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>Rick Jones wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:43:16 GMT, Werner Knoll 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >Rick Jones wrote:
>
>> >> >Does it  look to you rather strange that only the Holocaust version
>> >> >approved by the Holocaust Mafia is the truth?
>> >>
>> >> I am unaware of any "Holocaust mafia," or any single "version" of the
>> >> Holocaust.
>> >
>> >It does exist.
>> 
>> Then you are more than welcome to post evidence of such things.
>> Perhaps you could give us an address for the "Holocaust Mafia."  Do
>> they have a don?  Street bosses?
>> 
>
>The Canadian Dictionary.
>Mafia: an organized secret society of criminals,
>2 (mafia) any closely united group regarded as exerting a sinister
>influence.
>
>There is no doubt in my mind that the likes of the Canadian Jewish
>congress, B'Nai Brith and many other organizations like this in Canada,
>the USA, Israel have contact with each other to put people or put people
>out of business who are in their way!!!

The term "Holocaust Mafia" is an appropropriate one. When billions of dollars
were extracted from the Europeans, the word "extortion" has widely used.
Techniques employed included the threat to deny European companies, including
banks, access to American markets unless they paid up. That is extortion - a
Mafia tool.

I have written about how the Holocaust enforcers have gone after the people
whose views they did not like to see made available to others. When they employ
legal means to prevent this we cannot justify referring to them as Mafia.
However, organized violence has frequently been employed to harm those who
refuse to bow to the will of the Holocaust enforcers. The people behind this
action are aptly referred to as the "Holocaust Mafia".

Many of the dirty tactics employed by the 3 leading Jewish organizations
operating within Canada fall within that grey area between what is legal and
what is gangsterism. David irving, Ernst Zundel and Fred Leuchter could tell you
about these and can tell you who is arranging them.



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In article <3a6ee901.3665480@news>, rickjay@execs.com says...
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>If you DON'T have any objective evidence, then you're just making it
>up.

Ah Ha! So a Jewish poster now admits the Holocaust is made up. We're making
progress.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Israel Elections ... Israel ... Israel ... Israel ...
Date: 1 Feb 2001 09:46:09 -0800
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It was a main story on CBC's World Report yet again this morning as it has been
for days ... except for a few days when the earthquake in India bumped it -
details on the elections in Israel.

Why should we Canadians have this item rammed down our throats on a daily basis?
Who cares about all the details of the election campaign in this rogue state -
the world's worst violator of international law - global troublemaker -
destroyer of civil order in "enemy" states? Not us ... but the Jews that control
the media do ... and they force this on us too.

It sure would be nice, as a minimum, to get the CBC back in the hands of loyal
Canadians who will put our interests first.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Strange Chapters
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IIRC, a year or so back the media was implying concern that big, bad Chapters
Inc. was squeezing out independent book retailers and treating publishers with a
heavy hand. In the past few weeks, as the battle for the takeover of Chapters
raged, I heard nothing of those issues - even though any new company would be
even more dominant.

That's strange. Indeed, the media presented an aire of approval for the bid of
Heather Reisman and Gerald Schwartz - in particular, the boys at CBC gave us
uncritcal reports, day after day, about the possible merger of Chapters and
Indigo. How strange!



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From: Kanuk 
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In article <95hle4015u1@edrn.newsguy.com>, larryr@home.com says...
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>I heard the same report K., and you neglect to mention that 
>indigo is so small that it will make almost no difference in 
>the size of the overall company. What is more, Chapters is a 
>money loosing company. Nice if someone could turn it around.
>
>Why do I get the feeling that if the purchaser's names were 
>Smith and Jones, you'd have no objection at all. 

The two points noted above are interpreted by me in quite a different way - (I
assume this is acceptable in a discussion forum.)

Indigo being "so small" manages to to take over the very biggest, Chapters - and
two Jews accomplish this. This is no coincidence. You have just witnessed the
successful collaborative effort by Jews to take control of another chunk of the
apparatus that presents information to the Canadian public. My hint in the lead
post was, obviously, that Jewish media assisted in that effort. Perhaps more
important would be assistance rendered in the financing arrangements.

It is the strategy of the top Jews in the powerful Jewish organizations to
ensure that the media and media outlets are Jewish controlled. Thus nothing of
substance will be allowed to be readily available to Canadians that is critical
of Israel, Jews or anything that exposes the "Holocaust" lies. If Jews did not
have this stranglehold on the West's media, Israel would be a much more humble
country today and the truth about WWII would be widely known.

I guarantee that henceforth, no book will offered in any of the Chapters stores
that is deemed by self-appointed Jewish leadership to be detrimental to their
objectives. Even if Schwartz or Reisman were willing, they could not withstand
the pressure from their co-religionists. (It is my view that Jews are far more
vulnerable to intimidated than Gentiles by the Israeli/Holocaust mafia.)

Just yesterday, in my scan of the discussion board at CODOH http://codoh.com/ -
at their BBS - I found "The Self-assisted Holocaust Hoax" By Friedrich P. Berg.
Now this essay would never be permitted in any of Canada's newspapers or news
magazines nor will it appear as a chapter in a book at Chapters ... and I say
Canadains are losers because of this censorship.

I invite readers to check out this short article. As they do, they should try to
find some reason for it not being made available in the mass media. I find no
valid reason - yet we will not see it in printed material from Jewish controlled
media and media outlets. The article is at http://codoh.com/gcgv/gcgvself.html I
quote its final paragraph:
----------------------------------------------
The American experience with simple gas executions under ideal conditions proves
that mass gassings of Jews would only have been possible if the Jewish
victims--not just some of the Jews, but all-- had assisted in their own mass
executions; that is too unbelievable. The self-assisted Holocaust story is a
hoax indeed.
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>I have a suggestion. Change your name from Kanuk (which is an 
>embarrassment to me and I am sure most other Canadians) to 
>Cossack. Then you could imagine yourself riding across the 
>Steppes slaying Jews, and I wouldn't have to have my countries 
>name attached to your repugnant beliefs. Both our lives would 
>be improved.
>
>In article <95hjj10uk8@edrn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>>
>>IIRC, a year or so back the media was implying concern that big, bad Chapters
>>Inc. was squeezing out independent book retailers and treating publishers with a
>>heavy hand. In the past few weeks, as the battle for the takeover of Chapters
>>raged, I heard nothing of those issues - even though any new company would be
>>even more dominant.
>>
>>That's strange. Indeed, the media presented an aire of approval for the bid of
>>Heather Reisman and Gerald Schwartz - in particular, the boys at CBC gave us
>>uncritcal reports, day after day, about the possible merger of Chapters and
>>Indigo. How strange!
>>
>



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Beware! Media Distortion
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For a few days now I have been monitoring CBC radio and TV for their spin on
Israel/Palestine. They are doing no less than the other Jewish controlled media
outlets, no doubt, with the orchestrations of leaders of the worlds top zionist
organizations. Here are the two themes they are spinning. Please, watch for
them.

Firstly, the strategy of instilling in us that the present turmoil is caused by
"Palestinian violence" which Israeli "security forces" are trying to quell. On
almost all news clips and interviews such phrases get repeated. Just like
selling some washing detergent, repeat, repeat and repeat. Today, the Butcher of
Beirut (Sharon) says no talks until the violence stops. Bush phones Arafat with
the same message. And always, the Jewish media select these words to report to
us.

Secondly, the Palestinians turned down a generous offer by the kindly Israelis -
95% of the West Bank is the most common verbiage. Never a mention of
International law, UN resolutions. Just repetition of the message that the
Palestinians are to blame for not taking what was offered.

Today, Thursday, a car bomb in Jerusalem. In common with three other bombs
inside Israel in the past 3 months, the Jewish media is quick off the mark to
blame the Palestinians or Islamists. Don't trust Jewish sources to tell the
truth. There is a lot of political hay made by bombs in Israel for the Zionists
and none for the Palestinians. Extremist Jews have great incentive and the
opportunity to resort to terror inside Israel - as long as not much injury is
caused - and did I hear the CBC say it was a "miracle" no-one was seriously
hurt?

And yes, quite conveniently, according to Jewish sources, "a previously unknown
Palestinian group claimed responsibility" ... "two Palestinian groups claimed
credit" ... "There was no immediate claim of responsibility. However, Islamic
militants ...". Always, of course, it is the Jews who are the source of these
accusations. The last bomb, at Netanya, was probably planted by Jewish militants
to move sentiment toward military action. But the Israeli bomb squads probably
quickly knew who did it. One or two days afterwords, the extremely militant
Kahane couple were assassinated in a crack commando operation. They were shot
dead traveling in the dark morning hours - and their children "miraculously"
escaped. Does that seem the work of the Palestinians or the Israeli state?

Regardless of the truth from the murky war zone, for now its propaganda that
matters - and Canada's Jewish media minders are going flat out for their cause
back home. It's not far fetched to claim that agents invoke violence to provoke
war. Remember the two apartment buildings in Russia that "the Chechnyans blew
up"? Well the ensuing propaganda gave Putin the political support he needed to
demolish Grozni - and now we hear that it might not have been the Chechnyans
after all. Remember how the jewish media worldwide lied to us for weeks about
the wicked Iraqi soldiers throwing Kuwaiti babies on the hospital floor to die.
Only after the ensuing Gulf war had run its course did some outlets admit to the
hoax. Very nicely coordinated was that conspiracy.

Propaganda for war is not a new phenomenon. WWII was loaded with it. Remember
the gas chambers - but 60 years later that one is still alive - too darn
lucrative and politically useful to let die. What will be the next hoax for
gullible Canadians? How about the missile defense system? You are supposed to
believe that the US needs one to defend against attack from North Korea. Watch
for the Jewish media softening us up for their free MDS courtesy the US
taxpayers. You were forewarned.



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In article <8i578t0ul3sk6dq9okupkrvmivp7kadk13@4ax.com>, Jay says...
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>HEY LEO,
>
>ANY CHANCE OF YOU TAKING YOUR RACIST HATE MONGERING SOMEWHERE ELSE
>!!!!

Well this one is for the likes of Jay Winkler.

I just scanned the national Alliance site and came across a broadcast entitled
_The Corrupters by Dr. William Pierce_ It's very, very hard hitting but well
worth listening to. It's available in several audio formats and in text. Go to
http://www.natall.com/internet-radio/ and its the second last. Its highly
relevant and food for thought.



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In article , "tim says...
>
>
>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9627e606gv@edrn.newsguy.com...
>> In article <8i578t0ul3sk6dq9okupkrvmivp7kadk13@4ax.com>, Jay says...
>> >
>> >HEY LEO,
>> >
>> >ANY CHANCE OF YOU TAKING YOUR RACIST HATE MONGERING SOMEWHERE ELSE
>> >!!!!
>>
>> Well this one is for the likes of Jay Winkler.
>>
>> I just scanned the national Alliance site
>
>A good indication of your stupidity. Taking material from a site run by
>bigoted believers in the discredited ideas of Nazism indicates a lack of
>logical thinking abilities.

Well this one is for tim gueguen who must surely believe in a free exchange of
ideas. I just happened to go back to the National Alliance today because, if tim
gueguen is trying to discredit them, I figured they must have something he does
not like ... and sure enough, just today, their weekly broadcast is entitled
_The "Peace Process"_ It is right on their home page at
http://www.natall.com/index.html in audio or text format.

Dr. Pierce begins by noting "for several weeks ... [Israel's] election campaign
... was a major story in all of the news media in the United States. Who will it
be: Ariel Sharon, the Butcher of Beirut ...? Or will it be
Ehud Barak, who gave up a career as an international terrorist to go
into politics?" I have posted on CBC featuring the election too - as if it were
our own event. Also, CBC refers to Sharon as "The Bulldozer" but is quite
capable of echoing Zionist propaganda like "the angel of death", "the butcher of
Lyon", "Ivan the terrible" ... but never "the butcher of Beirut".

Pierce tell it as it is. (No doubt the diversion posters here would prefer you
not hear him.) He refers to "the laughable charade known as the "peace process"
which "has become almost as big a swindle as the "Holocaust.""

My strong objection to Jewish control over all Canadian and the Western world's
media is the power it gives them to suck us into another war for them. Dr.
Pierce says this is coming during the Bush administration, "... the United
States is more likely now to get pulled into yet another war in the Middle East
to advance Jewish interests there."

The audio or text version of _The Peace Process_ is well worth the time for
those who want to hear the ideas that are banned from CBC and our other media ..
and then form their own opinion.



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Subject: ""So Called" Right of Return" - CBC
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In recent months, Canada's Jews have tightened their grip on the tools that
shape our perception of issues that are near and dear to zionist interests. Last
year hundreds of "media properties" were transferred from Hollinger Inc. to
Israel Asper's Canwest Global empire. And, currently, the big Chapters chain of
books tores fell under the control of the darlings of our media, Schwartz and
Reisman. Even our own CBC is firmly controlled by Jews.

A few days ago, Israel's military helicopters, operating inside Palestine, blew
to bits a Palestinian. I listened carefully to CBC's reporting of the event. I
did not expect to hear the term "Israeli violence". Sure enough, CBC  said
"Israeli security forces" did it. But the radio report did manage to slip in the
term "Palestinian violence" - at least once. So you see, extreme Jewish violence
is explained to us with the words "Palestinian violence" - amazing! Please,
listen for further evidence of this strategy by the Jews at CBC.

Yesterday, CBC's lead story was the bus incident inside Israel. The emphasis was
on civilians and "women soldiers" victims. There was no hint of why the act was
perpetrated. Why do you suppose a Palestinian from "Gaza" - which could mean a
refugee camp there - on seeing a lot of Israeli military uniforms in one place,
decided to mow them down? If you have an idea, you won't be allowed to share it
via "our" media.

Today, a single bullet strikes a Canadian embassy vehicle inside Palestine, just
outside occupied Jerusalem. It makes it on to CBC's main morning news program,
_World Report_. Here's the spin from our Israeli agents. The shot was fired
"apparently by Palestinians" ... "the source of the anger is apparently ..." 
Nobody knows any of this of course, but the Jews blame the Palestinians but
include "apparently" which means ... what? In my view, extreme Jewish occupiers
have more incentive and opportunity to shoot at a clearly marked vehicle with
diplomatic plates - but there ain't too many Palestinians at the CBC to say so.

Not for the first time, CBC's editors are pushing the notion that the right of
return is a "so called right of return" to Israel formed "more than half a
century ago". These are CBC quotes. You see the Jewish strategy of making the
right of return sound unreasonable to us - in order to advance the interests of
the zionist movement.

I illustrate, from three days of CBC news how this grip on our media causes us
to have a false impression of the situation in the Middle East. A far better
sense of what I'm saying is given By Dr. William Pierce in last Saturday's
broadcast, available for listining by streaming or in text at
http://www.natall.com/index.html It is entitled _The Peace Process_ and is from
a US perspective but fits Canada's dilemma nicely.



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In article <3a8c9bcb.456224307@news.eagle.ca>, hj@taxpayers.ca says...
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>On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:54:04 -0700, Jay Winkler
> wrote:
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>>On 15 Feb 2001 08:47:33 -0800, Kanuk  wrote:
>>
>>>In recent months, Canada's Jews have tightened their grip on the tools that
>>>shape our perception of issues that are near and dear to zionist interests. Last
>>
>>What a load of racist CRAP that this ASSSHOLE continues to spam - Leo
>>Lennox, or whatever your real name is, give it a rest !!!!
>
>The question for the day is why do people who have never been near
>Israel have a "right" to move there based on their religion of Judaism
>while those who once lived there but were forced to leave, have no
>such right. Israel can move in huge numbers of Russians with at most a
>very tenuous link to the area but people who were born there are not
>allowed to cross the border to reclaim their stolen homes?

The Jewish media conceal the truth about the occupation and population
transfers. Many Canadians can spot this strategy of deception by the those who
rule the CBC.

I came upon the following article which gives some insight that helps our
understanding of the issue. It seems that 7 of the 8 killed were soldiers -
which is significant to an insightful understanding of the bus driver's motives.
The Jews just don't know how to react to the obvious motivation.

You will note from the second paragraph of the article below that the incident
occurred on land stolen during earlier days.

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THE STORY BEHIND A BUS STOP 
Arjan El Fassed* 

A Palestinian driver rammed his bus into a packed bus stop Wednesday, killing
seven Israeli soldiers and a civilian. It is unfortunately true that all too
often a seeming identification of "terrorism" with Palestinians has clouded all
reasonable discussion, coverage, and rational thinking about the
Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The myths and distortions that have been assumed
as reality have been appropriated by one side and cast a shroud around any
deeper understanding of the conflict. The question is: what is the reality
behind what happened at that bus stop?

The bus stop was located in what Israel calls Azur, an Israeli settlement
established in 1948 on the lands of the Palestinian village Yazur, 6 kilometers
>from Jaffa. On the 11 December 1947, Jewish immigrants launched a terror attack
against the Yazur village coffee house killing six Palestinians. On 30 April
1948, this Palestinian village was under complete control by Jewish forces and
subsequently cleansed of its more than 4,000 Palestinian inhabitants, now
refugees. The village has been mostly destroyed with the exception of two
village shrines. Two small structures have been converted into commercial
buildings. The site contain modern apartment blocks from two Israeli
settlements, namely Miqwe Yisrael and Azur.

What explains the Palestinian driver's actions? Khalil Abu Olbeh, the bus
driver, had no ties to any Palestinian faction. This is not strange. Opinion
polls show that since the past few years, most Palestinians in the Westbank and
Gaza have lost their ties with any factions.

According to Abu Olbeh's relatives, Khalil was distraught over the large number
of Palestinian casualties over the past few months. Between September 28, 2000
and February 13, 2001, 359 Palestinians were killed and eleven Palestinians have
been assassinated of which 89 percent were civilians. In that same period more
than 12,000 Palestinians were injured, including 1,500 with permanent
disabilities.

Heavy shooting in the southern Gaza Strip the past few days had left Abu Olbeh
particularly aggrieved. But to friends and relatives, his emotions were in tune
with the rest of the neighborhood, and nothing seemed amiss with the 35-year-old
father of five.

Khalil Abu Olbeh had been driving Palestinian laborers from Gaza to jobs in
Israel for the past five years as an employee of the Israeli bus company Egged.
Abu Olbeh was among 15,000 Palestinians who had been permitted to return to
their jobs two weeks ago after Israel had eased an earlier closure of the
Palestinian areas. He worked as a taxi driver in Gaza, but it brought in little
money.

For the past four months, Khalil Abu Olbeh had been unemployed because of
Israel's closure of the Palestinian areas. Since September 2000, Israel has
tightened its policy of closures and curfews, a violation of international law
as a collective punishment.

Living conditions in Gaza and elsewhere have been deteriorating. Before the
recent Intifada, the unemployment rate for Palestinians in the West Bank and
Gaza Strip was estimated at anywhere between 11 percent and 24 percent. During
the past few months, however, that figure has risen dramatically because of the
estimated 125,000 Palestinians unable to reach their jobs in Israel. The
economic results have been devastating: the families of these workers now suffer
>from a complete lack of income, threatening their ability to sustain themselves.
With an unemployment rate of 38 percent, over 30 percent of the Palestinian
population are living under the poverty level, earning less than $2 a day.

The impact of these measures on the Palestinian civilian people has been
disastrous. The economic gains Palestinians saw during the first half of 2000
have been completely erased. Workers have been unable to reach their jobs in
Israel, and are therefore unable to earn money essential for the well being of
their families and central to the local economy. Industry and agriculture have
suffered both in financial and material terms, and development has all but
ceased. An additional outcome of the closure policy has been the general
inability on many occasions to transfer wounded individuals to and from
hospitals in different locales.

Many Palestinians seeking medical treatment for chronic conditions and
emergencies have been denied access to hospitals and clinics, either by being
held up at checkpoints for inordinate amounts of time or because of the siege
surrounding many towns and villages in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The refusal
of the Israeli authorities to comply with international humanitarian law,
specifically the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Israeli authorities said they were certain that Abu Olbeh's actions were
deliberate. Perhaps they were, perhaps not. The day before Abu Olbeh drove his
bus into the bus stop packed with Israeli soldiers, Israeli forces assassinated
50 year-old Mas'oud Ayyad. Elsewhere in the Gaza Strip, at Netsarim Junction,
Israeli soldiers opened fire at a group of unarmed demonstrators, killing 14
year-old Bilal Tawfiq Ramadan with a live bullet to the heart, at one point
sending a United Nations mission scurrying for cover as shooting erupted around
them during a visit to a refugee camp. Perhaps a refugee camp hosting the native
inhabitants of the Palestinian village Yazur, who could see their place of
origin in the newspapers, now called Azur.

 * the author is a political scientist and human rights activist.



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Because our Federal politicians are corruptible the Chretien administration
continues to cave in to the powerful Jewish lobby in return for a smooth ride in
their media. (Let them go after Stockwell). With a Jew appointed to head the
CBC, that organization has Israels agents planted in key positions from top to
bottom. Their use of "our" public broadcaster as a propaganda instrument for
Jewish objectives continues.

On this morning's main radio news program _World Report_, the lead story was a
non-event - Colin Powel is in the Middle East - just another US Secretary of
State on another visit. The Jewish boys in Toronto selected this "news" because
it presented them with the opportunity to hammer away at us with their
propaganda.

Here are some of the phrases broadcast in the lead "story", as I recall them:-

"... Palestinian violence must end ..."
"... incitement and response must stop ..."
"... end to cycle of provocation and reaction ..."

Note that the linkage of violence is to Palestinians. This is part of the
current Jewish strategy in their world wide media campaign. There was, of
course, no reference to UN Resolutions, the military occupation of Palestine
with its helicopter gun ships and armed to the teeth Israeli militias. The CBC
tells the story as if she were Israel's broadcaster.

At the end of the newscast there was the usual wrap-up, where the editors
emphasize their main message. Here is their key phrase from this morning's
ending:
" ... Palestinian violence must end before real peace can begin."

When will Canada's Palestinian, Arab and Muslim citizens act to return the CBC
to loyal Canadians?



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People do believe weird things. Things that conflict with the laws of science
and nature and defy common sense ... life after death is perhaps the most common
example. But, no problem, let them if it keeps them happy and does not
negatively impact others.

Another example of such a belief is "The Holocaust" - similarly preached as
religious dogma, not to be questioned, no need for proof. In the "Holocaust"
belief, it is easy to see why people accept it. It is because of the saturation
of our Jewish controlled mass media and Hollywood with references to it. This
morning (Friday) CBC Radio's _World Report_ provided such reinforcement - from
yet another angle.

Stockwell day, they said, was on a visit to Washington. It surprized me to hear
CBC give him coverage that wasn't negative. But the news item ended with the
explanation. Yesterday, apparently, Stockwell had spent 2.5 hours visiting the
Jewish "Holocaust" museum. Day was quoted by CBC saying it was a "sobering"
experience and that everybody would benefit from a visit.

So, yet another oblique plug for the "Holocaust" from another context. With so
many reminders coming from all directions, how could anyone even question it?
That's why people truly do believe that particular weird thing.

So the Germans and Palestinians can keep paying in their own ways. BTW, did you
know that the Washington Holocaust Museum is next door to the place where
America prints her banknotes?



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In article , Earl
says...
>
>On 9 Mar 2001 at 7:28pm, Kanuk wrote:
>
>> BTW, did you know that the Washington Holocaust Museum is next door to
>> the place where America prints her banknotes?
>
> And, the Holocaust Memorial Foundation is located just down the street
>from my house.  Does that mean my basement is filled with American
>banknotes?  And the Pakistani family next door is really part of the Great
>Jewish Cabal that is controlling all media and banking in North America?
>And what of the Chinese family that owns the restaurant that's even closer
>to that above-mentioned Holocaust Memorial Foundation -- how do they fit
>into your scheme?  Please do tell.

You will not learn the truth about this controversial subject from Hollywood,
the media or other Jewish sources. Indeed, these should be considered suspect
before giving them a first glance. Instead, check out what impartial
organizations that have no ax to grind one way or the other have to say ... then
do your comparison.

For instance, The Institute for Historical Review, ("IHR") has no interest in
where the truth lies on the highly questionable issue of the Germans allegedly
gassing millions of Jews. IHR's is a "not-for-profit research, educational and
publishing center devoted to truth and accuracy in history."

Judge the character of that organization for yourself by checking out this
article on the Museum. Below is one short paragraph from it. The Museum article
can be reached from
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/leaflets.html

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'Historical Correctness'

The Museum's skewed history is not simply a matter of one-sidedness and
omission. It has further committed itself to a fixed and final interpretation of
the surprisingly scanty and sometimes suspect evidence for a German policy of
annihilating European Jewry, largely in gas chambers, in numbers approaching six
million. This despite a considerable body of research and scholarship that has
arisen over past two decades in many lands, and which contests, by academic
means, the substance of the Holocaust "extermination thesis." (note 9)

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From: Kanuk 
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The CBC continues on a daily basis to be used by Jews to distort the truth about
the situation in the Holy Land for the benefit of the principal Zionist cause -
the takeover of Palestine.

With "The Butcher" currently visiting the US, the Jewish controlled media in the
West are engaged in coordinated efforts to market him. On Tuesday evening's
_World Report_ the spin doctors at CBC radio, hammered away at us with terms
like "Israel's security" - which was used twice and "Palestinian violence". Of
course, there was no mention of land theft and military occupation. Similar
terms were presented in the morning and on Monday. It just goes on and on, like
the beer commercials - except this is more effective because it is disguised as
"news".

For those Jews who are knowingly using our CBC to deceive Canadians and those
Gentiles collaborate with them for the pay check, I offer you the following
article. It was copied from the _Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust_
(CODOH) web site where there is a discussion forum
http://www.codoh.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi

Discussion, such as this is, of course, banned by the Jewish media bosses ... or
can anyone show me where Israel and her supporting myths are freely debated. You
can't. They are always presented as dogma which cannot withstand the challenge
of reason.

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Couldn't Zionism Lie about the Holocaust, too?    
By Khalid Amayreh    

As a Palestinian who has lived virtually all his adult life 
under Israel's nefarious military occupation, I can testify 
that Zionist leaders, academics, and propagandists are 
actually professional, malicious liars as much as they are 
violent, merciless murderers.
 
In fact, from over thirty five years of observing and monitoring Israeli-Zionist
hazbara (propaganda) both in Israel and the United States, I could safely
conclude that everything and anything said or written by the official
Israeli-Zionist establishment, whether on Palestinian refugees, or on "the only
democracy in the Middle East," or, indeed, on "the" holocaust, should be
thoroughly doubted and questioned, for Zionists are liars until proven
otherwise.

Indeed, Israel's infamous and nefarious lies about the 
Palestinian plight and her continued misrepresentation of 
truth and reality about her genocidal torment of the 
Palestinian people, which transcends reality, should force 
all truth-seekers to think a hundred times before giving any 
Zionist story or narrative the benefit of the doubt.    

Lying, of course, is not confined to Zionist Jews, and no 
body can claim that mendacity is an exclusively Jewish-
Zionist monopoly. However, unlike the world's other lying murderers, the big lie
in the Israeli case happens to be the main structural component of the
misbegotten entity.

In fact, one could seriously claim that mendacity makes up 
the backbone of the Israeli state, which if thoroughly 
exposed and dissipated, the "moral" justification for the 
state's very existence would collapse like a house of cards.
  
Moreover, unlike elsewhere in the world, concocting false 
statements and accounts about events, such as crimes 
committed by Israeli occupation troops and settler 
cutthroats, is a systematic, institutionalized and organized 
task for which hundreds of millions of dollars are allocated 
every year and hundreds of mercenary writers, parroting 
columnists, and unethical apologists are recruited and 
mobilized, all for the purpose of hallowing the unholy and 
converting the lie into a "truth" believed and accepted by 
millions of unsuspecting people around the world.    

Take for example, the indelible story of Muhammed Al- Durra, 
the poor Palestinian kid who was so-callously murdered by 
trigger-happy Israeli army soldiers last October as he was 
seeking, in vain, to escape the inescapable bullets of the 
heroes of Zionism. 

In the beginning, the Zionist mill of mendacity claimed that 
Al-Durra was actually killed deliberately by Palestinian 
"gunmen" in order to besmirch Israel's "fine" image on the 
world's arena. When the lie proved to be too brash, the same mill fabricated the
Satanic and cheap claim that Palestinians were pushing their kids to the front
lines in order to embarrass the Israeli "defense" forces which killed them
inadvertently and regretfully.
 
And even today, nearly five months after the monstrous 
crime, and far from saying a simple and genuine "sorry" for 
the vile deed, Israeli propagandists and apologists, 
including supposedly respectable diplomats, are still 
unashamedly ruminating and parroting the crass lie that Al-
Durra was pushed into the fire-line by his father (his 
father, too, was nearly killed) in order to score a 
propaganda victory for the Palestinian cause!!

I don't know why I chose to stress the case of Muhammed Al-
Durra as a classical Zionist lie, as there are thousands, 
perhaps millions of graver Zionist lies about every 
demolished house, every uprooted tree, every obliterated 
village, and every atrocity the lying murders carried out.

Maybe because the specter of his phantasmagoric death is 
still haunting us whenever the murder is re-enacted by 
Israel's born-to-kill soldiers. Maybe because we unconsciously or subconsciously
feel that we have to do something to compensate or atone for our collective
guilt as humans for not doing enough to save the child from the ugly claws of a
preventable death. Or just maybe because his death is still so vivid and so
fresh in our exhausted individual and collective memories.

Of course, the Zionist robe of lying is so long, so much that 
it takes a voluminous encyclopedia to record and document 
Zionist lies, particularly those disseminated since the 
Palestinian Nakba of 1948.

We all are aware of their classical lies, such as "the Arabs 
left their hometowns and villages voluntarily in 1948 and 
were not expelled by the Jews," "a land without a people for 
a people without a land," "What Palestinians," and that "we 
may forgive Arabs for killing our children, but we shall not 
forgive them for making us kill theirs!!"

Luckily, there are conscientious Jews who have exposed some 
of these lies. Their efforts should be greatly appreciated.   
 However, it should be equally stressed that the portion of 
unexposed lies still exceeds that of the barely-exposed lies 
by a million to one, at the very least. Why? Because the
history of Israel and Zionism from Hertzl the infamous Sharon 
the war criminal is actually a long concatenation of lies.

Recently, the Israeli army protested and eventually succeeded 
in preventing the proposed release of historical documents 
dating back to 1948 about Palestinian refugees. Israel's 
intelligence and defense establishment argued, rather 
convincingly, that the release of the "documents" to the 
public "now" would cause Israel's political stance and image 
irreparable damage and would vindicate many of the 
Palestinian claims.

One doesn't have to read between the lines; the message these 
words carry is clear, perhaps too clear for those whose job 
is to maintain the lie and perpetuate the myth for as long as 
possible.

But the big lie goes on, unabated.   
Last week, two Canadian rabbis castigated a conscientious 
fellow Jew for writing an article in which he rightly argued 
that Zionism was giving a very bad name to Judaism and that 
Judaism and the Torah of Moses were innocent of what Israel 
was doing in the Jews' name. The two Zionist rabbis claimed 
that Israel, not the Palestinians, was under siege in the 
West Bank, and that Jews, instead of criticizing Israel, 
should rally behind Sharon, the hero of Sabra and Shatilla.
  
Why do Israel's supporters lie in such a brash and primitive 
manner? How could Israel, the fifth nuclear power
in the world, be under siege when her occupation army is 
encircling every town, village, hamlet and refugee camp in 
the West Bank, effectively pushing the Palestinians to the 
brink of starvation, or maybe to the brink of Auschwitz? 
 Do these rabbis live in this world, or are they just talking 
to themselves? Indeed, how do they read the Biblical
commandment "thou shall not lie"? Do they read it as "Thou 
shall lie when and if it is expedient for you?" Isn't this 
Israel's and Zionism's ultimate golden rule?

But if lying is Israel's best policy, and it is in a certain 
sense, shouldn't the world, particularly those who have been 
exposed and victimized by Zionist lies, doubt the Zionists' 
official stories about other issues, such as the holocaust, 
for example? 

In short, couldn't Zionism, through its powerful propaganda 
machine, which has succeeded in thoroughly penetrating and 
engulfing much of the world's media, show business, and even 
in the academic world, lie about the events which the Jews of 
Europe encountered during the Nazi era, as, indeed, it has 
been lying so abundantly and so "successfully" about the 
Palestinian plight?

As a Palestinian, an Arab and a Muslim who has been among the premier victims of
Zionist mendacity, I believe I have the right to and am justified in doubting,
questioning and even not believing much or most of what the Israeli and Zionist
propagandists have been saying about the holocaust.

Indeed, if Zionists could lie about their present and ongoing 
torment of my people, usurpation of my homeland and abrogation of my rights, and
they do it rather obscenely, couldn't they likewise lie, equally obscenely,
about the holocaust, an event that took place over half a century ago?
 
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From: Kanuk 
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In article <3AB87B91.2B35@canada.net>, Dave says...
>
>	Oooooh, the evil CBC at work.....Peter Gzowski plotting those wicked
>schemes against Palestine. The Kids in the Hall with their secret coded
>messages cleverly hidden in Buddy the Bartender's rants. Watch for the
>Gordon Lightfoot concert this weekend; tape it, then play it backwards.
>You'll see.
>	And if that's not enough, Hockey Night in Canada plays every Saturday
>night, clearly sanctioning Zionism.

Here is a more ridiculous conspiracy theory.

1) The Germans drew up a plan to exterminate all of Europe's Jews ... then
destroyed all copies of the plan so no-one could prove it.

2) The German leadership passed down orders to thousands of executioners
detailing how the plan was to be carried out ... and made sure that not one of
the thousands of documents would ever be found or intercepted by British
intelligence code breakers.

3) The executioners killed six million Jews and made their remains as well as
evidence of "gas chambers" and other murder weapons magically disappeared 
without a trace.

But ... a few problems with this conspiracy theory. The clever Germans "forgot"
about the bales of hair, piles of shoes and eye-glasses, leaving them lying
around for Steven Spielberg's use. Then, there are all those "Holocaust
Survivors" who seem to have surfaced for the extortion money.

Well, just another conspiracy theory ... like saying the Jews control the media,
including our CBC, and use that power to further their own racial objectives.



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In article <99dcsp$2ok5$1@news.tht.net>, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org says...
>
>In article <99bmdc0thp@edrn.newsguy.com>,
>Kanuk   wrote:
>>
>>Here is a more ridiculous conspiracy theory.
>>
>>1) The Germans drew up a plan to exterminate all of Europe's Jews ... then
>>destroyed all copies of the plan so no-one could prove it.
>
>That there was a plan is beyond doubt, except for a handful of rabid
>antisemites and Hiter-wannabees, of course. 
>
>History isn't your long suit, Bubba.
>
>By the way, when were you going to name those "Jewish boys who run the
>CBC," Bubba?

Excuse me while I stoop to the McVay tactic of going after the messenger, for a
moment. In case readers do not know of McVay's conflict of interest ... Ken
McVay is part of the holocaust industry. He makes a living from it and scans
newsgroups to defend "Holocaust" doctrine. He has a funding arrangement with
B'nai Brith Canada which in turn receives big money from "Holocaust Central", as
I call it.

Now to the issue. Germany saw the Jews of pre-WWII Europe as destructive to
their society ... just as many see their actions in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and
elsewhere today. After various initiatives to deal with them, the concept of
"the final solution" is documented in the archives. Historians' conclusions on
the point - vs the Jewish Hollywood propaganda version - is clear on two points:

1) The "final solution" was not developed but most certainly suggested
deportation. Germans collaborated with Zionists and "deported" many to
Palestine. Madagascar was the destination suggested for them in authentic
documents. (Several documents suggesting "extermination" which surfaced after
the war have been exposed as forgeries.)

2) Authentic documents establish that Hitler wanted the final solution to the
Jewish problem postponed until after the war - a disclosure that conflicts with
"extermination" tales.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: CBC's Jews Present Israel as Victim
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In recent days, Jewish violence in Palestine has been accompanied by some
Palestinian actions against Jews. This give the Jewish media propagandists the
opportunity to present Israel as the victim of Palestinian violence. This is not
unique to CBC. It is a coordinated strategy throughout Canada and, indeed,
worldwide. However, CBC is our public broadcaster and is supposed to adhere to
some rules not required by the others.

Three days ago a Jewish baby was killed inside Palestine. Her parents were part
of the extremely fanatical racist "settler" movement which planted themselves in
the centre of Hebron under the military protection of the occupation army. On
the same day 58 Kenyan school children were burned alive in their dorms. CBC
reported both incidents at that time. Now, three days later, the 58 Africans are
forgotten by CBC's Jews but the Hebron incident still echos with graphic video
and sound bites on Canada's public TV and radio. (One Jew vs 58 Kenyans - the
racist nature of the Zionist cause.)

Today, CBC classifies Hebron as "a divided city". Yesterday it was a "disputed
city". The day before they portrayed it as a city of 500 Jews surrouned by
hundreds of thousands of Palestinians - i.e. victim status. Yes CBC's Jews would
have you believe that Hebron's Jews are the victims.

On Tuesday night's _The National_, the lead to that day's bombings was " ... the
spiral of violence in Israel where two more bombs went off today in Jerusalem."
Poor Israel they would have us murmur. But, a careful listen to the words of
Neil MacDonald reveals that neither incident occurred in Israel.

"This blast was aimed at a bus taking on Israeli soldiers at the edge of the
occupied territories." So, read that carefully and you see that Jewish soldiers
were targeted inside Palestine. Legitimate resistance to military occupation or
an attack on Israel?

The other bomb was reported to have exploded in "West Jerusalem" - also not part
of Israel. You read that correctly. Jerusalem is not part of Israel. It too, is
illegally occupied ... but don't expect our CBC to fairly inform us ... it's
Israel's interests first ... deception is a propaganda tool. Despite decades of
powerful world wide lobbying, the Jews cannot get countries to violate UN
resolve and move their embassies there - because Jerusalem is under military
occupation.

Today, there is another bombing incident to play to us. This time it appears to
have actually occurred in Israel. However, the occupation of Palestine features
in the story as, it is reported, two Jews killed were on their way into occupied
Palestine.

All of our "victim's" problems are related to the theft of Palestinian land. If
only they would get out of Palestine and go back across the border. But, you
see, that's the racism of Zionism. Zionists want Palestine for themselves. Their
agents in the media operate the propaganda war. Currently, they are setting our
minds to accept military action by the Butcher of Beirut ... and so the criminal
dismembering of Palestine will continue.

Fellow Canadians, don't be intimidated by the well financed Jewish lobbies.
Speak out. Remind the CBC that it is not the property of Zionist Jews. Aren't
there any courageous, decent Jews in positions of influence at the CBC - or
reading these newsgroups?



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From: Kanuk 
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In article , "Daniel says...
>
>
>> The other bomb was reported to have exploded in "West Jerusalem" - also
>not part
>> of Israel. You read that correctly. Jerusalem is not part of Israel. It
>too, is
>> illegally occupied ... but don't expect our CBC to fairly inform us ...
>it's
>> Israel's interests first ... deception is a propaganda tool. Despite
>decades of
>> powerful world wide lobbying, the Jews cannot get countries to violate UN
>> resolve and move their embassies there - because Jerusalem is under
>military
>> occupation.
>
>I presume you're referring to the UN Partition that the Arabic countries
>clearly rejected when they attacked the newborn Israel.  By your definition
>than in the 1948-1967 period Egypt was illegaly occupying Gaza, and Jordan
>was illegally occupying the Westbank including East Jerusalem which was part
>of the designated International city.  So what happened in Israel was merely
>a transfer of occupying power, as a result of Jordan and Egypt attacking
>Israel.  Somehow I doubt you'll accept that position, and a result you
>completely delegitimize your position.  After all you can't only trump the
>parts of UN resolutions that you like, if they are gospel than they have to
>be followed by all.

The UN annually reasserts its position on Jerusalem. Here is their reminder from
1997. The world's position is crystal clear and overwhelming ... but the Jews
have the media so we get Zionist deceit instead of the facts - just as we do on
the alleged "gas chambers".

All resolutions may be found via the UN's UNISPAL site
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF?OpenDatabase
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52/53 Jerusalem 

Date: 9 December 1997 Meeting: 68 
Vote: 148-1-9  Draft: A/52/L.54 and Add.1 


The General Assembly, 

Recalling its resolutions 36/120 E of 10 December 1981, 37/123 C of 16 December
1982, 38/180 C of 19 December 1983, 39/146 C of 14 December 1984, 40/168 C of 16
December 1985, 41/162 C of 4 December 1986, 42/209 D of 11 December 1987, 43/54
C of 6 December 1988, 44/40 C of 4 December 1989, 45/83 C of 13 December 1990,
46/82 B of 16 December 1991, 47/63 B of 11 December 1992, 48/59 A of 14 December
1993, 49/87 A of 16 December 1994, 50/22 A of 4 December 1995 and 51/27 of 4
December 1996, in which it determined that all legislative and administrative
measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or
purported to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, in
particular the so-called "Basic Law" on Jerusalem and the proclamation of
Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, were null and void and must be rescinded
forthwith,

Recalling also Security Council resolution 478 (1980) of 20 August 1980, in
which the Council, inter alia, decided not to recognize the "Basic Law" and
called upon those States which had established diplomatic missions at Jerusalem
to withdraw such missions from the Holy City,

Having considered the report of the Secretary-General, (1) 

1. Determines that the decision of Israel to impose its laws, jurisdiction and
administration on the Holy City of Jerusalem is illegal and therefore null and
void and has no validity whatsoever;

2. Deplores the transfer by some States of their diplomatic missions to
Jerusalem in violation of Security Council resolution 478 (1980) and their
refusal to comply with the provisions of that resolution;

3. Calls once more upon those States to abide by the provisions of the relevant
United Nations resolutions, in conformity with the Charter of the United
Nations;

4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the General Assembly at its
fifty-third session on the implementation of the present resolution.

RECORDED VOTE ON RESOLUTION 52/53: 

In favour: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda,
Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain,
Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia,
Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Canada,
Cape Verde, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba,
Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Denmark,
Djibouti, Ecuador, Egypt, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, France, Gabon,
Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau,
Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Italy,
Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People's
Democratic Republic, Latvia, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania,
Luxembourg, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius,
Mexico, Monaco, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal,
Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Panama,
Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea,
Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and
the Grenadines, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore,
Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan,
Suriname, Sweden, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, The former Yugoslav Republic of
Macedonia, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United
Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Vanuatu,
Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

Against: Israel. 

Abstain: Costa Rica, Federated States of Micronesia, Fiji, Marshall Islands,
Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Swaziland, United States, Zambia.

Absent: Albania, Burundi, Cambodia, Chad, Democratic Republic of the Congo,
Dominica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Haiti, Lesotho,
Madagascar, Nicaragua, Palau, Republic of the Congo, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and
Nevis, Seychelles, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.

1. A/52/467. 



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From: Kanuk 
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It must be apparent to those few Canadians whose awareness is enhanced by
reading political newsgroups, that the Zionist movement is systematically
rendering Palestine into a non-entity ... yet our politicians remain
conspicuously silent.

On a daily basis, the Jews, (Zionists, collaborators, silent cheerers etc. but
not those who don't get involved nor the occasional few who speak out) are
employing their infamous "group cohesion" to work together toward the goal of
taking Palestine for themselves because "God gave the Holy Land to the chosen
ones". Little of this daily action is reported to us by the Jewish media. They
control all our broadcast networks, have editorial control over every major city
newspaper and of course, the film industry that impresses us from foreign lands.

None-the-less, perceptive Canadian news group readers are able to spot some of
the strategies employed in destroying Palestine
- the Jewish enclave planted in the centre of Hebron that now has commenced to
destroy that city from the centre outwards
 - the "settlements" creeping across Palestine
 - the assassination of "undesirable" political and military leadership
 - the demolition of homes and administrative centres
 - the chopping up of the West Bank into isolated bantustans
 - the strangulation of Palestine's economy
- the military corridors separating Gaza from Egypt and the West Bank from
Jordan
 - the denial of a sea port in Gaza and Jewish control over the airport

Then, of course, there is the financial, political and propaganda war in the
rest of the world, coordinated and implemented by local Jewish organizations.
And that political war in Canada has been won by the Zionist movement and is the
reason Chretien, his ministers and others remain silent ... and worse. Chretien
is a "successful" politician. He knows of the ability of Canada's Jews to use
the power of their media switches to do him political harm. Thus Chretien looks
the other way to avoid the "Stockwell" media treatment.

Some naive readers won't like to read these words - yet can ignore what's
happening in Palestine. Others - collaborators in the cause - will post noisy
nonsense here. My observations show me that the Jews are proceeding with the
destruction of Palestine by decimating its geography, destabilizing its
politics, strangling its economy and disarming its people. Politicians in
Canada, for their own selfish interests, set Canadian values aside and go along
with the evil scheme of the Jews for Palestine. As ordinary Canadians also look
the other way the Jews undermine us too - the CBC and "our" media, foreign
policy, honest government.

Shame on them! I for one will speak out.



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Doug Collins has first hand experience with powerful Jewish lobby gangs. B'nai
Brith went after him for his writings - the same smear mongers that are now well
into their second decade in pursuit of Ernst Zundel for his publishings.

Read the following to understand why our politicians fear the Jews. The
following is copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html where other banned
pieces are posted.

--------------------------------------------------

THE COLLINS COLUMN, April 14, 2001 

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 

by Doug Collins

LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media empire in
the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership. Not that anyone
quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline in the National Post put
it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."

"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13 daily
newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet operations, and fifty
per cent of the National Post itself. In British Columbia, it meant that the
Aspers and their CanWest empire controlled every media outlet that really
counted, including The Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria
Times-Colonist Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).

Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a small
newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome to Izzy's
World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the publisher of the North
Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also
stated that when those firings took place, three weeks previously, a notice had
been posted in the newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a
former columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
Not even in a letter to the editor.

The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he had, in
the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has "died". He had been
told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role as publisher and previous
owner of the News was over and that he was to leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw,
meanwhile, was given some nonsense about the paper having to reduce costs.

It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were paying
the price for having supported me through thick and thin against "human rights"
complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish Congress and B'Nai Brith. I
was of that opinion the moment they left, although no-one in the Asper
Shadowland is going to admit to such a thing. But what else could it be?

Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the most
financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 1999 it won the
Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as "the best all- round
community newspaper in Canada". Two years before that it was designated in the
U.S. as being one of the top three in North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years
running, won the Association's award for outstanding column writing.

The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to Vancouver's
North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported that CanWest had
instructed all its newspapers to run an article by Liberal flack Warren Kinsella
attacking the Canadian Alliance for going after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in
all CanWest newspapers", was the order.

There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been told not
to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed watchdog that
hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not surprising, seeing that the
CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 bid to buy a string of TV stations from
Vancouver's Western International Communications Ltd.

Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and I'm in
pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and Gwynne Dyer are
also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps they haven't been one
hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same reason, Jewish pressure got
The Vancouver Courier to drop the great Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't
own the paper at that time.

Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here monopoly
control of a vast section of the media that in former days would have been the
subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun and Province joined together
as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for instance, the Monopolies Commission took
years to approve the deal and then laid down certain conditions. When
Hollinger/Southam bought the North Shore News the arrangement was again many
years in the making. Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are
they afraid of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?

One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but silence
has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's takeover of
Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual orgasm spread over six
pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy and son Leonard. Peter Newman,
another member of that fraternity, also sang a song of praise. Would he have
been so keen if the Gentiles had made such a grab?

When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting changes in
the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!



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Subject: Re: Doug Collins on Jewish Media Contol
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In article <9bgjos$10l3$1@news.tht.net>, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org says...
>
>In article <9bgdkr01ih5@edrn.newsguy.com>,
>Kanuk   wrote:
>>Doug Collins has first hand experience with powerful Jewish lobby gangs. B'nai
>>Brith went after him for his writings - the same smear mongers that are now well
>>into their second decade in pursuit of Ernst Zundel for his publishings.
>>
>>Read the following to understand why our politicians fear the Jews. The
>>following is copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html where other banned
>>pieces are posted.
>
>Ah, yes, disgraced British faux-historian David Irving's website...
>Here's what a noted British scholar had to say about Mr. Irving:

The strategy of the self-appointed Jewish leadership in Canada is common to the
works of Doug Collins, Ernst Zundel and David Irving. When such people
disseminate ideas that threaten Zionist interests, these Jews set out to destroy
and discredit. Here is what Mr. Irving said to the same judge at the Lipstadt
trial in his final speech - all available at http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html
----------------------
[...] The violence spread around the world, and always it was orchestrated by
the same organisations.
 
It would be otiose to list them all here. [...] In 1990 the two Canadian bodies,
the League of Human Rights of the B'nai Brith Canada and the Canadian Jewish
Congress announced that they were to "monitor" my tour of that country.48
"Monitoring" turns out to be euphemism for a campaign of letters, pressure, and
threats of violence and commercial pressure against hotels, halls, and
lecture-theatres which had been hired by which ever body, student society,
military institute, or group had invited me. Attempts to force the prestigious
Ottawa Congress Center to violate its contract failed, resulting in a violent
demonstration organised by the same two bodies. One such letter came into my
hands, from the League of Human Rights of the B'nai Brith Canada to an Ottawa
restaurant owner written in September 1991. Its content, which I shall not quote
her - it is in the evidence before Your Lordship - shows clearly the methods
used to get hall owners to violate their contracts.49 They did this to us,
acting as Jews; if we had done the same to them, as Jews, the uproar would have
been intense. [...]
-------
Footnotes
48 Bundle E, page 56: Canadian Jewish News, October 25, 1990.
49 Bundle E, page 75: League of Human Rights of the B'nai Brith Canada Ian
Kagedan to Franco Giammaria, Tudor Hall Restaurant, Ottawa, September 17, 1991.
-------------------------
Readers should note that it is B'nai Brith canada that funds McVay and could
explain his decree that David irving has been disgraced.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: Doug Collins on Jewish Media Contol
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In article <3adbec02.30277135@news.paralynx.com>, dennis_goos@mindlink.net
says...
>
>Kanuk  wrote:
>
>>Doug Collins has first hand experience with powerful Jewish lobby gangs. B'nai
>>Brith went after him for his writings - the same smear mongers that are now well
>>into their second decade in pursuit of Ernst Zundel for his publishings.
>>
>>Read the following to understand why our politicians fear the Jews. The
>>following is copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html where other banned
>>pieces are posted.
>>
>
>Scummy and cheap comments. 
>Jewish families and individuals have owned newspapers and chains in Canada in
>the past. Where are the bodies ? Where is the damage ?

This comment indicates a failure to grasp the exceptional nature of Jewish mass
media ownership. THEY OWN ALL OF IT. Now that is NOT a coincidence. Nor is it
because the media is a particularly lucrative industry. It is a coordinated
Zionist strategy to control the media ... or ...

In this thread we are noting that the Jewish media bosses have gone after
Collins, Irving and Zundel. When I noted this behaviour, I got curious to find
out why ... and so I read their material and concluded that these were three
reasonable people. So then my curiosity intensfied. Conclusion:- Jews MUST own
the mass media and suppress ideas that get to the public by other routes,
otherwise, Zionist lies will eventually be exposed to the public. If and/or
when, the public realize, for examples, there were never any "gas chambers", or
that the Jews are systematically taking over Palestine ... imagine the anger at
being duped ... imagine the collapse of Jewish power and the Zionist dream.

In a tiny racial minority controlling all of Canada's mass media we have the
single greatest threat to our institutions. No-one objects to Jews owning some
of the media but they are the most cohesive group and they do have an alien
agenda. Would it be aceptable for all our media to be controlled by members of
the NDP? ... or by our Firt Nations Indians? ... or by immigrant East Indians?

>It is this hateful stupidity that reeks from Collins writing that makes him
>persona non grata to ordinary people including newspaper editors.
>I am glad to hear that Aspers have the balls to say they won't be buying any of
>his crap.
>
>Dennis



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: CBC's Propaganda War Against Palestine
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In article ,
$kr1pt_k177y@salmahayeksknockers.edu says...
>
>In can.general Canuk  wrote:
>>An organized group has recently been performing rogue cancellations of newsgroup
>>postings critical of the Zionist movement's activities. This message may have to
>> be reposted if they zap this one.
>
>Canuk, this concerns me very much.  I would like to assist you in getting an
>understanding of this matter, and if you are truly being cancelled, in 
>combatting it.  

This post got through to Google's system.

The cancellations have been tracked by someone who posted some info to
talk.politics.mideast recently. His latest report of May 7 is headed:
#3 -FORGED CANCEL ATTACK - UPGRADED LIST- #3 

Here is his list of posters who were cancelled. Kanuk is there.

Alex Vange
David Goldman
Gassen Burnham
Joseph Boegler
Matt Giwer
Roger Alexander
PG201
Debunks
Gustave Morgan
Doc Tavish 
BLVD1940
CRG
Diogenes1
Grigori Khaskin
Omar Mukhtar
Michael S. Morris
zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Mikhail Sidorin 
Reuven Singer
Mike Clevin
ZIONAZIHUNTER
pyotr filipivich
Gideon
Kanuk
Steven D
Daedra Morrigahn
carson lowe
Leonidas Rex
Hunter
Damo
Zven
dsh
ibrahim
Eddie Turner
Eric Stevens
Jim Phillips
Christopher A. Lee
TOM ELEVEN
Alex (not Vange- just Alex)
Gunner
betweentheeyes
Marksman
Scout
Wavoka
HerrGlock
Liberal Fascist 
Libertarius
R. Huffsmith
Scott (not me)
Paul G. Wenthold
Micah Burke
Rev Gadfly

NEW:
Murray
alexander dickson
Nomen Nescio
Daedra_member@newsguy.com
ALi SiSiLLEONE
ingen 
Paul F. Dietz
John C. Randolph
fred@hotmail.com
jj_in_wpg@hotmail.com
augustine420@earthlink.net
Watch
adam augustine

 



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In article <0woL6.7071$LJ4.2364106@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>, "Bob says...
>
>Yes, Andrew.  I heard it too.  I couldn't believe my ears, since we all know
>that Kanuk's view just has to be the only rational one, so my hearing the CBC
>report alleged Israeli atrocities had to be a Jewish media plot, caused by
>direct radiation into my brain from a newly launched (secret!) satellite, so
>as to invalidate what Kanuk has always claimed to be true.

Smiles all round to the Jewsih activists contributing to this thread

I have indeed noticed more care in the BBC and CBC's "news" from the Holy Land.
BBC TV occasionally displays some awful scenes of Jewish hatred. A few days ago
they showed a paved road in Palestine where the Jews had dragged a ripper down
the middle to destroy the ashphalt. A few weeks before there was the elderly
Palestinian woman hobbling across the market in Hebron with a cane - the market
destroyed by the Jews and out of limits to Palestinians. A five-ish year old
Jewish child ran up behind her mockingly and threw a stone at her.

Generally, Jewish control of the media is the trump card in getting away with
the destruction of Palestine. Most of the Jewish violence is simply ignored ...
what is reported is presented with a spin of justification - in "response" to
"Palestinian violence". So yesterday we saw the Jews rocket a car ... but their
media agents said it was OK because the occupants were criminals. This did not
prevent the Jews scripting today's Sunday Report on CBC radio from slipping in
the words "Palestinian violence against Israelis".

Here is a sampling of the crux of the Zionist problem that is shunted aside with
the Jewish trump card. I found it on talk.politics.mideast

-----------------------------------------------------

source: Reuters

New Jewish settlement fuels Palestinian anger 


DEIR ISTYA, West Bank, May 11 - Mahmoud Dawood stood helplessly when
Jewish settlers, guarded by Israeli soldiers, stormed a West Bank
hilltop two weeks ago and forcibly erected four mobile homes on his
land. 
       On Friday, the 78-year-old Palestinian joined some 200 fellow
Palestinians and a handful of Israeli and foreign peace activists in a
protest against the new settlement. 
       But as they approached Israeli soldiers guarding the enclave,
the small banner-waving crowd came under a shower of tear gas and stun
grenades that sent them scurrying for cover. 
       ''They are robbing our land by force,'' said Dawood, trying to
wave off the stifling stench of tear gas. ''I keep thinking about
these caravans all the time. They filled my life with nightmares.'' 
       ''They bring Jews from Russia, from America and plant them on
our land and then they say we don't want to live in peace,'' he said
angrily. ''How come you steal my land to build settlements and bypass
roads and expect peace?'' 
       Although he had lost land to Jewish settlements before, Dawood
said the new enclave made him lose sleep like never before. The homes
effectively made much of his land, his sole source of income, off
limits to him. 
       Many of the 145 Jewish settlements that dot the West Bank and
Gaza Strip began with a few caravans. The settlements, built on
occupied land which Israel captured in a 1967 war, are illegal under
international law and are at the heart of the Palestinian-Israeli
conflict. 
       Jewish settlers, encouraged by the rise of Israel's right-wing
leader and settlement champion Ariel Sharon to the prime ministership
in February, have tried to establish new settlements in various parts
of the Palestinian territories. 

AMBITIOUS BUILDING PLANS 
       Since Sharon assumed office, Israel has announced plans to
build at least 3,700 new homes in the West Bank. Sharon's government
pledged not to build new settlements but said it would allow for what
it calls ''natural'' growth in existing ones. 
       Palestinians see settlements as a tool to maintain Israel's
34-year-old stranglehold on their land. 
       More than three million Palestinians live in the West Bank and
Gaza. Jewish settlements and a maze of bypass roads which link the
enclaves block their dream of a territorially contiguous state with
Arab East Jerusalem as its capital. 
       Settlers believe they have a God-given right to live on the
biblical ''land of Israel.'' 
       Several Jewish settlements previously carved out from
Palestinian land ring Deir Istya and stunt the village's growth. 
       Many villagers who joined Friday's demonstration said they had
lost lands to Jewish settlements before. 
       Dawood, a father of five, was heartened to see fellow villagers
and Israeli peace activists join him in protesting against the new
settlement. 
       ''I wish they could come more often to stand up to the settlers
with us,'' Dawood said. 
       Israeli activists, choking with tear gas, said their presence
had prevented the Israeli army from firing at the demonstrators. 
       ''Had we (the Israelis) not been here, the soldiers would have
probably used excessive force,'' said 23-year-old Liad Kantorowicz. 
       ''I wish more Israelis were here today to see how the
Palestinians are treated,'' said Kantorowicz, who carried a bag with a
Palestinian flag painted on it. 
       A new opinion poll on Friday showed a majority of Israelis
ready to halt Jewish settlement construction on occupied land in
return for a ceasefire with the Palestinians. 
       A U.S.-led inquiry committee into Israeli-Palestinian violence
has called in a draft report for a freeze on all Israeli settlement
activity in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. 



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It is no secret that the Jews have hijacked our public broadcasters and are
using them as instruments of propaganda to further their racist agenda.

Currently we see the state of Israel's violence against Palestine - yet we hear
the Jewish professional propagandists repetitive words about Palestinian
violence against Israel. The Jews rocket Palestine's buildings, blow up their
people and rip up her roads ... yet the Jews get our public broadcasters air
time to tell us that the Palestinians must renounce violence.

*** On CBC TV's _Sunday Report_ last night:

"JOYCE NAPIER (Reporter): Israel likes all foreign dignitaries to start their
visits here, at Yad Vashem, Jerusalem's dark, solemn holocaust memorial." - Of
course, the real reason for dignitaries going to Yad Vashem is that the Jewish
boys back home will show the video to the masses in the hope of invoking
sympathy for Israel.

NAPIER: Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister laid a wreath on this slab under which
lie the ashes collected from nazi camps." - availing themselves of the
opportunity to recall scenes from Hollywood movies.

NAPIER: "... Ongoing Palestinian attacks on Israel." - Can anyone tell me where
and when these attacks on Israel took place. It seems the Jewish boys at the BBC
and CBC have not been reporting them. That's really strange!

Then the next segment of _World Report_ went like this:

BRIAN STEWART: "And there was a frightening threat today against Israel. It came
at a march in southern Lebanon. The extremist group Hamas paraded people it said
were ready to carry out suicide bomb attacks on Israelis. Young children were
among those with bombs strapped to their bodies. Hamas called on all Arabs to
take up the fight against Israel." - Well, I suppose if our Jewish media can't
find any actual violence against Israel the next best thing is to emphasize some
threat. (Do you notice how the editors like to repeatedly show masked
Palestinians firing guns into the air?)

*** On BBC World today:

"SHARON'S SENIOR POLICY ADVISER: "... Palestinians ... [should] cease
hostilities and return to the negotiating table. ... and renouncing violence
...".

BBC World went on to report on "Hezbullah's attack on Israeli positions on the
border". In fact the incident occurred, not in Israel, or her border but in the
Shebah Farms area. This area is not Israel. It belongs to either Syria or
Lebanon but not Israel. So, still no attack on Israel!

The propaganda of Israel under attack comes at us daily but the violence we know
of is all on the foreign lands that the Jews occupy. If only they would go back
home ...

The leaders of these religious fanatics, who claim God gave them the land, have
a long record of butchery, disregard for international law and access to weapons
of mass destruction. And now they are trying to get the US to develop a missile
defense system.

I think we have a serious global problem ... and its root cause is that our
media is in the hands of a tiny minority with a big agenda.



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Unless organized Jewry loses it control over our media we can expect the
continuation of brutality from the Jewish state as it pursues the main zionist
goal of destroying Palestine and giving the land to Jews from around the world.
Journalism, fre of intimidation, would lead to an end to the troubles.

CBC is staffed with Jews in the key editorial and programming positions from the
president on down. Readers will note, for instance, that even though the Holy
Land dominates the news, this topic is conspicuously absent from open discussion
programming, such as _Cross Country Check-Up_.

I cite now, how CBC's Jews presented the overview of the violence of the past
two days, on today's (Saturday) _World Report_ on Radio 1.

Israel's military actions (12 Palestinian deaths) are presented with "revenge"
for justification yet the suicide bombing (6 Israeli deaths) is not. This
despite the facts that responsibility for the suicide bombing was quickly
claimed by Hamas as revenge for the killing 5 Palestinian guards inside
Palestine by the Jewish military a few hours earlier. This strategy by the
editors is intended to have listeners harbor thoughts of legitimacy for Israeli
military action.

Here are quotes from _World Report_ including the justification of revenge for
Israel.
MCNALLY: "...A Palestinian suicide bomber killed six Israelis ... in Natanya.
Israel's REVENGE attack saw them resort to ... the F-16 ..."

MCNALLY: "... Kofe Annan called the suicide bombing appalling but described
Israel's REVENGE policy as excessive and misguided."

(Actually, Annan did not say "misguided". He said "misdirected".)

Jewish media bosses continue to wrap news of this conflict in Israel's message
of the need to cease the violence - thus steering away from the Palestinian goal
of ending the occupation. For the Jews to return to Israel would mean
abandonment of the main goal of the zionist movement - hence Jewish agents,
committed to the takeover of Palestine, will pull out all stops to shift the
focus away from the root cause of the violence.

Here are the quotes on this from _World Report_

NEWSREADER: (Opening the newscast): "In the news today, international calls for
Israelis and Palestinians to END THE spiraling VIOLENCE in the Middle East."

COLIN POWELL (edited clip): "What we need now, more than anything else, is
unconditional CESSATION OF VIOLENCE on the part of all then things can start to
happen."

Of course, the Jews would like an end to the uprising so that they can continue
to "peacefully" transfer their race to Palestinian lands - the situation that
has failed the Palestinians for decades ... and organized Jewry is secretly
working within our CBC and through corrupted politicians in pursuit of that
process.



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In article <9pDN6.4671$Ii.51791@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com>, "tim says...
>
>
>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9e67hi02hcd@edrn.newsguy.com...
>> Unless organized Jewry loses it control over our media we can expect the
>> continuation of brutality from the Jewish state as it pursues the main
>zionist
>> goal of destroying Palestine and giving the land to Jews from around the
>world.
>> Journalism, fre of intimidation, would lead to an end to the troubles.
>>
>> CBC is staffed with Jews in the key editorial and programming positions
>from the
>> president on down. Readers will note,
>
>That dear old kookie never provides evidence for this claim.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

One day later, on Sunday's _World Report_ the lead story is centred on
statements made by Sharon. CBC obligingly presents to Canadians two themes that
the zionist propaganda machine want hammered home - protecting "Israelis" and
Israel merely responding.

CBC this morning reports that Sharon 
1) "will use whatever force is necessary to protect his people",
2) "the security of Israelis was his top priority" and
3) "he will use all means at his disposal to protect Israeli civilians".

The message of protecting Israelis told three times on _World Report_. One of
the rules of propaganda is repetition. What CBC did not report is that the same
Sharon government encourages Jews from around the world and from Israel to go
and live in on stolen Palestinian land - the war zone ... strange way to protect
"Israelis"!

To reinforce the deception about Israel merely responding to "Palestinian
violence", CBC reports:-
" ... his decision to use of F-16 fighter planes to bomb Palestinian areas in
RESPONSE to Friday's bomb attack in Israel."

See! The Jewish message is that Israel bombs Palestine in response (even though
the official line is is never one of retaliation) but the suicide bombing is not
presented as a response to Israel's military killing the five border guards
(even though Hamas officially said it was.)

Dear Canadians, do not believe the message of the Jewish media - that the nice
Butcher is merely acting to protect his citizens. In truth, he is firstly out to
claim Palestine for the Jews and is prepared to sacrifice Jews to do so. His
problem is that many are getting out and going back to Israel or Russia and
elsewhere.

Beware of the organized deception from your public broadcaster.



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Unless organized Jewry loses it control over our media we can expect the
continuation of brutality from the Jewish state as it pursues the main zionist
goal of destroying Palestine and giving the land to Jews from around the world.
Journalism, fre of intimidation, would lead to an end to the troubles.

CBC is staffed with Jews in the key editorial and programming positions from the
president on down. Readers will note, for instance, that even though the Holy
Land dominates the news, this topic is conspicuously absent from open discussion
programming, such as _Cross Country Check-Up_.

I cite now, how CBC's Jews presented the overview of the violence of the past
two days, on today's (Saturday) _World Report_ on Radio 1.

Israel's military actions (12 Palestinian deaths) are presented with "revenge"
for justification yet the suicide bombing (6 Israeli deaths) is not. This
despite the facts that responsibility for the suicide bombing was quickly
claimed by Hamas as revenge for the killing 5 Palestinian guards inside
Palestine by the Jewish military a few hours earlier. This strategy by the
editors is intended to have listeners harbor thoughts of legitimacy for Israeli
military action.

Here are quotes from _World Report_ including the justification of revenge for
Israel.
MCNALLY: "...A Palestinian suicide bomber killed six Israelis ... in Natanya.
Israel's REVENGE attack saw them resort to ... the F-16 ..."

MCNALLY: "... Kofe Annan called the suicide bombing appalling but described
Israel's REVENGE policy as excessive and misguided."

(Actually, Annan did not say "misguided". He said "misdirected".)

Jewish media bosses continue to wrap news of this conflict in Israel's message
of the need to cease the violence - thus steering away from the Palestinian goal
of ending the occupation. For the Jews to return to Israel would mean
abandonment of the main goal of the zionist movement - hence Jewish agents,
committed to the takeover of Palestine, will pull out all stops to shift the
focus away from the root cause of the violence.

Here are the quotes on this from _World Report_

NEWSREADER: (Opening the newscast): "In the news today, international calls for
Israelis and Palestinians to END THE spiraling VIOLENCE in the Middle East."

COLIN POWELL (edited clip): "What we need now, more than anything else, is
unconditional CESSATION OF VIOLENCE on the part of all then things can start to
happen."

Of course, the Jews would like an end to the uprising so that they can continue
to "peacefully" transfer their race to Palestinian lands - the situation that
has failed the Palestinians for decades ... and organized Jewry is secretly
working within our CBC and through corrupted politicians in pursuit of that
process.

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In article <9pDN6.4671$Ii.51791@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com>, "tim says...
>
>
>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9e67hi02hcd@edrn.newsguy.com...
>> Unless organized Jewry loses it control over our media we can expect the
>> continuation of brutality from the Jewish state as it pursues the main
>zionist
>> goal of destroying Palestine and giving the land to Jews from around the
>world.
>> Journalism, fre of intimidation, would lead to an end to the troubles.
>>
>> CBC is staffed with Jews in the key editorial and programming positions
>from the
>> president on down. Readers will note,
>
>That dear old kookie never provides evidence for this claim.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

One day later, on Sunday's _World Report_ the lead story is centred on
statements made by Sharon. CBC obligingly presents to Canadians two themes that
the zionist propaganda machine want hammered home - protecting "Israelis" and
Israel merely responding.

CBC this morning reports that Sharon 
1) "will use whatever force is necessary to protect his people",
2) "the security of Israelis was his top priority" and
3) "he will use all means at his disposal to protect Israeli civilians".

The message of protecting Israelis told three times on _World Report_. One of
the rules of propaganda is repetition. What CBC did not report is that the same
Sharon government encourages Jews from around the world and from Israel to go
and live in on stolen Palestinian land - the war zone ... strange way to protect
"Israelis"!

To reinforce the deception about Israel merely responding to "Palestinian
violence", CBC reports:-
" ... his decision to use of F-16 fighter planes to bomb Palestinian areas in
RESPONSE to Friday's bomb attack in Israel."

See! The Jewish message is that Israel bombs Palestine in response (even though
the official line is is never one of retaliation) but the suicide bombing is not
presented as a response to Israel's military killing the five border guards
(even though Hamas officially said it was.)

Dear Canadians, do not believe the message of the Jewish media - that the nice
Butcher is merely acting to protect his citizens. In truth, he is firstly out to
claim Palestine for the Jews and is prepared to sacrifice Jews to do so. His
problem is that many are getting out and going back to Israel or Russia and
elsewhere.

Beware of the organized deception from your public broadcaster.

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In article <3b081d07.7598846@news.paralynx.com>, dennis_goos@mindlink.net
says...
>
>Kanuk  wrote:
>
>
>>Dear Canadians, do not believe the message of the Jewish media - that the nice
>>Butcher is merely acting to protect his citizens. In truth, he is firstly out to
>>claim Palestine for the Jews and is prepared to sacrifice Jews to do so. His
>>problem is that many are getting out and going back to Israel or Russia and
>>elsewhere.
>>
>>Beware of the organized deception from your public broadcaster.
>>
>
>Fortunately Canadians can separate out the propaganda.

A few Canadians recognize propaganda but on the vast majority of us it works ...
to varying degrees. Remember how a coordinated media campaign, largely based on
the single fabricated story of Iraqi troops tossing Kuwaiti babies from their
incubators swung public opinion enough to get us to cry out for war? Not many of
us saw that as propaganda at the time.

Some key elements for effective propaganda are repetition, disguise it as news
and get diverse people to say it in different contexts. The Auschwitz gas
chambers tale is the best example of sustaining widespread beliefs with the use
of these propaganda elements. (Just last night CBC and the rest of the Jewish
media made great importance of the Taliban in Afganistan identifying minorities.
Not too far into these reports was reference to Jews and Nazis ... reinforcement
of another message.)

Today, Thursday, CBC Radio 1's _World Report_ presents the following news (or
propaganda) - it could just as easily have been scripted by the Butcher's PR
people. Direct quote:-

"... Israel's forces have been on high alert today for possible action by the
militant Islamic group Hizbollah which continues to launch attacks from southern
Lebanon."

"Militant Islamic group" - also a registered political party with elected
members.

When did Hizbollah last or ever launch an attack on Israel? I know that's not
what Robert Rabinovich's Jewish boys at CBC scripted ... but that is what is
implied. Hizbollah's action is from inside Lebanon to the Shebaa Farms area -
which belongs to either Lebanon or Syria but not Israel - even though a
"militant Jewish group" illegally occupies it.

>
>I am amazed that some people find the capture and stoning of teenagers by
>Palestinian mobs and the deliberate targetting of civilians of all ages by
>Hamas' suicide bombers to be the equivalent of Israel military attacks to
>eliminate command and control centres of the terrorist groups. That is the role
>of the defence department in any national government.
>
>The Israelis are just as capable as  Hamas of mounting terror attacks against
>the Palestinians with clandestine bombings aimed at innocent civilians.
>
>Canadians also realize that Hamas does not represent any one but their own
>narrow religious fundamentalism and they survive in the Palestine community only
>because of the terror they impose in the Palestinian communities as well as in
>Israel.
>
>Letting Arafat back into Israel has proven to be a costly error on the part of
>the Israelis. The peace initiative is dead, and the Palestinian population pays
>the price from both sides in the conflict.
>
>Call for a secret ballot election in Palestine, Kanuk, so that a democratic
>government can be established for the Palestinian people that will serve their
>interests if you want to convince Canadians of your case. Let a ballot decide
>the future, instead of bombs and bullets.
>
>Dennis

The Zionist movement do not like democracies in neighbouring Islamic countries -
they are harder to "influence". Dictatorships are preferred. Arafat has been
bought off with "US aid". The Jews could have picked off Arafat any time - but
he is useful to them. Israel's government, reflects the Zionist program, which
is to render Palestine dysfunctional. Their policy for Palestine today is one of
ruination - then take it over.

Guess why the Jews don't just annex Palestine and let everyone vote for the
Knesset!



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>> >Kanuk  wrote:
>> >
>>>>Dear Canadians, do not believe the message of the Jewish media - that the nice
>>.....

>This  guy Kanuk must get around a lot because in
>US areas close to the Canadian border from Calais
>Maine to the Washington coast every one talks
>about "that dumb Kanuk"
>
>Boy have they got his number!!!!!!!

Friday, May 25 ... another instance of Jewish media deception. Specifically,
false statements to reinforce a belief favourable to the zionist cause - no, not
the "gas chambers" this time.

Both BBC World TV and CBC Radio 1 news, in reporting the building collapse in
Jerusalem, are saying it happened in Israel.

Jerusalem is not part of Israel. Yes, only Jews may carry guns there and they
administer Jerusalem by the dubious authority of military power. Jerusalem is
under military occupation.

Guess why the world will not establish their Israeli embassies there!

Do you suppose the Jews in the media are conspiring together to deceive us?



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In article <3b081d07.7598846@news.paralynx.com>, dennis_goos@mindlink.net
says...
>
>Kanuk  wrote:
>
>
>>Dear Canadians, do not believe the message of the Jewish media - that the nice
>>Butcher is merely acting to protect his citizens. In truth, he is firstly out to
>>claim Palestine for the Jews and is prepared to sacrifice Jews to do so. His
>>problem is that many are getting out and going back to Israel or Russia and
>>elsewhere.
>>
>>Beware of the organized deception from your public broadcaster.
>>
>
>Fortunately Canadians can separate out the propaganda.

A few Canadians recognize propaganda but on the vast majority of us it works ...
to varying degrees. Remember how a coordinated media campaign, largely based on
the single fabricated story of Iraqi troops tossing Kuwaiti babies from their
incubators swung public opinion enough to get us to cry out for war? Not many of
us saw that as propaganda at the time.

Some key elements for effective propaganda are repetition, disguise it as news
and get diverse people to say it in different contexts. The Auschwitz gas
chambers tale is the best example of sustaining widespread beliefs with the use
of these propaganda elements. (Just last night CBC and the rest of the Jewish
media made great importance of the Taliban in Afganistan identifying minorities.
Not too far into these reports was reference to Jews and Nazis ... reinforcement
of another message.)

Today, Thursday, CBC Radio 1's _World Report_ presents the following news (or
propaganda) - it could just as easily have been scripted by the Butcher's PR
people. Direct quote:-

"... Israel's forces have been on high alert today for possible action by the
militant Islamic group Hizbollah which continues to launch attacks from southern
Lebanon."

"Militant Islamic group" - also a registered political party with elected
members.

When did Hizbollah last or ever launch an attack on Israel? I know that's not
what Robert Rabinovich's Jewish boys at CBC scripted ... but that is what is
implied. Hizbollah's action is from inside Lebanon to the Shebaa Farms area -
which belongs to either Lebanon or Syria but not Israel - even though a
"militant Jewish group" illegally occupies it.

>
>I am amazed that some people find the capture and stoning of teenagers by
>Palestinian mobs and the deliberate targetting of civilians of all ages by
>Hamas' suicide bombers to be the equivalent of Israel military attacks to
>eliminate command and control centres of the terrorist groups. That is the role
>of the defence department in any national government.
>
>The Israelis are just as capable as  Hamas of mounting terror attacks against
>the Palestinians with clandestine bombings aimed at innocent civilians.
>
>Canadians also realize that Hamas does not represent any one but their own
>narrow religious fundamentalism and they survive in the Palestine community only
>because of the terror they impose in the Palestinian communities as well as in
>Israel.
>
>Letting Arafat back into Israel has proven to be a costly error on the part of
>the Israelis. The peace initiative is dead, and the Palestinian population pays
>the price from both sides in the conflict.
>
>Call for a secret ballot election in Palestine, Kanuk, so that a democratic
>government can be established for the Palestinian people that will serve their
>interests if you want to convince Canadians of your case. Let a ballot decide
>the future, instead of bombs and bullets.
>
>Dennis

The Zionist movement do not like democracies in neighbouring Islamic countries -
they are harder to "influence". Dictatorships are preferred. Arafat has been
bought off with "US aid". The Jews could have picked off Arafat any time - but
he is useful to them. Israel's government, reflects the Zionist program, which
is to render Palestine dysfunctional. Their policy for Palestine today is one of
ruination - then take it over.

Guess why the Jews don't just annex Palestine and let everyone vote for the
Knesset!

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>> >Kanuk  wrote:
>> >
>>>>Dear Canadians, do not believe the message of the Jewish media - that the nice
>>.....

>This  guy Kanuk must get around a lot because in
>US areas close to the Canadian border from Calais
>Maine to the Washington coast every one talks
>about "that dumb Kanuk"
>
>Boy have they got his number!!!!!!!

Friday, May 25 ... another instance of Jewish media deception. Specifically,
false statements to reinforce a belief favourable to the zionist cause - no, not
the "gas chambers" this time.

Both BBC World TV and CBC Radio 1 news, in reporting the building collapse in
Jerusalem, are saying it happened in Israel.

Jerusalem is not part of Israel. Yes, only Jews may carry guns there and they
administer Jerusalem by the dubious authority of military power. Jerusalem is
under military occupation.

Guess why the world will not establish their Israeli embassies there!

Do you suppose the Jews in the media are conspiring together to deceive us?

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In article <3b0f904f.6083571@news.gate-way.net>, shadows@dusk.com says...
>
>On 25 May 2001 08:45:41 -0700, Kanuk  wrote:
>
>>Do you suppose the Jews in the media are conspiring together to deceive us?
>
>I understand that Jimmy Hoffa is alive and well and living in your
>bedroom closet.  The word is that he holds the Playboy for you so you
>can jerk off 'cause you have trouble doing two things at once.

There is little doubt that Jews control the editorial content of ALL of Canada
mass media - our major city daily newspapers, news magazines, radio stations,
Global and CTV TV networks and the CBC. In the CBC their race holds the
presidency at the top, key programming and editorial positions on down and too
many regional manager positions across our land.

In the US we can say the same and add in the movie industry. In our neighbour's
case this control is well documented. See
http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/ Similar mass media control extends
throughout the world - anywhere there are well funded Jewish organizations. That
should give us a clue that it is the likes of the Canadian Jewish Congress that
enables their tiny race to control so much to further their big agenda.

Is this a coincidence ... or planned?

There is little doubt that the Jewish media selectively distorts, emphasizes and
suppresses Jewish issues. For instance, by way of movies, news, commentary and
book reviews we are told lots about "Jews and Nazis" - yet, this subject matter
is banned in unedited free expression such as _Cross Country Check-Up_.

Is this a coincidence ... or planned?

There is little doubt that as a consequence of Jewish control over the means of
propaganda the public hold false views on Jewish issues. As examples:
   1) The public believes Jerusalem is part of Israel
   2) The public believes Israel's military is in Palestine to defend Israel.
3) The public believes the wicked Germans killed millions of Jews, many in "gas
chambers" at Auschwitz, the cleverly made their bodies disappear without a trace
but (stupidly) left piles of eye-glasses, shoes and hair lying about.

Is this a coincidence ... or planned?



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In article <3b0f904f.6083571@news.gate-way.net>, shadows@dusk.com says...
>
>On 25 May 2001 08:45:41 -0700, Kanuk  wrote:
>
>>Do you suppose the Jews in the media are conspiring together to deceive us?
>
>I understand that Jimmy Hoffa is alive and well and living in your
>bedroom closet.  The word is that he holds the Playboy for you so you
>can jerk off 'cause you have trouble doing two things at once.

There is little doubt that Jews control the editorial content of ALL of Canada
mass media - our major city daily newspapers, news magazines, radio stations,
Global and CTV TV networks and the CBC. In the CBC their race holds the
presidency at the top, key programming and editorial positions on down and too
many regional manager positions across our land.

In the US we can say the same and add in the movie industry. In our neighbour's
case this control is well documented. See
http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/ Similar mass media control extends
throughout the world - anywhere there are well funded Jewish organizations. That
should give us a clue that it is the likes of the Canadian Jewish Congress that
enables their tiny race to control so much to further their big agenda.

Is this a coincidence ... or planned?

There is little doubt that the Jewish media selectively distorts, emphasizes and
suppresses Jewish issues. For instance, by way of movies, news, commentary and
book reviews we are told lots about "Jews and Nazis" - yet, this subject matter
is banned in unedited free expression such as _Cross Country Check-Up_.

Is this a coincidence ... or planned?

There is little doubt that as a consequence of Jewish control over the means of
propaganda the public hold false views on Jewish issues. As examples:
   1) The public believes Jerusalem is part of Israel
   2) The public believes Israel's military is in Palestine to defend Israel.
3) The public believes the wicked Germans killed millions of Jews, many in "gas
chambers" at Auschwitz, the cleverly made their bodies disappear without a trace
but (stupidly) left piles of eye-glasses, shoes and hair lying about.

Is this a coincidence ... or planned?

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For the past week or so there has been an identifiable propaganda campaign waged
by the Jews in charge of Canada's and the UK's public broadcasters.

Beginning with the Butcher of Beirut's much publicized "one-sided cease fire"
some themes have been repeatedly push at us over the air waves. Constant
reminders of Israel's so-called restraint is one of them. Also, "Arafat is
responsible", "Israel will defend its citizens", "Palestinian violence must
stop" ... but rarely a mention of the occupation, population transfers, UN
resolutions or international law.

The most frightening aspect of the current propaganda offensive is the message
presented with each newscast that we should expect Israel to retaliate. They are
conditioning us for that event. Unless the zionist government repents and
reverses its policies, there will be the next initiative to destroy Palestine so
that the Jews can have it. Is this what the current propaganda is all about?

How easy it is, with control over the West's media, for the Jews to get us to
approve of their wars and even to get us to join in! With corrupt politicians
like Bush, Bliar and Chretien - one might think BBC is their acronym - they will
simply go along with the Jews for fear of offending their media bosses.

The latest violence in Tel Aviv was adopted by the Jewish media as their top
story - and just watch for them playing with it for he next week. Even though
Jews killed by Palestinians in Israel is a tiny fraction of Palestinians killed
by Jews in Palestine, the Jewish victims will get the broadcasters' sympathetic
air time.

BBC World TV devoted almost all of their half hour news to the Tel Aviv bombing.
The story itself took only about 3 minutes but political interviews and
commentaries ran for another 15 minutes or so. All such political comment was
told from the Zionist side. There was no Palestinian opinion presented at all.
There was no reference to the occupation.

Two special interviews were aired for government people to get their message out
to the world audience. There was the minister of foreign affairs and yet another
special adviser to the Butcher, Ra'anan Gissen. When such interviews are staged,
by listening carefully you learn of the messages that they have prearranged to
expound. These messages via the BBC were those I listed in my second paragraph.

>From the BBC's coverage I'll point out just one item that I think is deliberate
lying deception.

Reporter BILL HAYTON: "When Palestinian suicide bombers struck at the town of
Netanya two weeks ago they killed five people. That bombing set in motion a
chain of action and reaction."

The truth. When Palestinian struck in Netanya they were retaliating for the Jews
gunning down five Palestinain border guards inside Palestine. (BBC actually
showed Palestinians rejoicing by handing out sweets at that time.) But, the Jews
in the Zionist movement want us to think the Palestinians are starting the
violence and Israel merely responding. That's why there are only rare mentions
of the root cause of it all - the cult belief that God chose the Jews and gave
them the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. If the Jews get Palestine, neither
Egypt nor Iraq will be safe and Iran will be but one nuclear missile away.

Thus the destruction of Palestine continues ... and from its ashes will rise
Eretz Israel ... all with the assistance of our publicly funded broadcasters,
lemming-like populations and spineless politicians.



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For the past week or so there has been an identifiable propaganda campaign waged
by the Jews in charge of Canada's and the UK's public broadcasters.

Beginning with the Butcher of Beirut's much publicized "one-sided cease fire"
some themes have been repeatedly push at us over the air waves. Constant
reminders of Israel's so-called restraint is one of them. Also, "Arafat is
responsible", "Israel will defend its citizens", "Palestinian violence must
stop" ... but rarely a mention of the occupation, population transfers, UN
resolutions or international law.

The most frightening aspect of the current propaganda offensive is the message
presented with each newscast that we should expect Israel to retaliate. They are
conditioning us for that event. Unless the zionist government repents and
reverses its policies, there will be the next initiative to destroy Palestine so
that the Jews can have it. Is this what the current propaganda is all about?

How easy it is, with control over the West's media, for the Jews to get us to
approve of their wars and even to get us to join in! With corrupt politicians
like Bush, Bliar and Chretien - one might think BBC is their acronym - they will
simply go along with the Jews for fear of offending their media bosses.

The latest violence in Tel Aviv was adopted by the Jewish media as their top
story - and just watch for them playing with it for he next week. Even though
Jews killed by Palestinians in Israel is a tiny fraction of Palestinians killed
by Jews in Palestine, the Jewish victims will get the broadcasters' sympathetic
air time.

BBC World TV devoted almost all of their half hour news to the Tel Aviv bombing.
The story itself took only about 3 minutes but political interviews and
commentaries ran for another 15 minutes or so. All such political comment was
told from the Zionist side. There was no Palestinian opinion presented at all.
There was no reference to the occupation.

Two special interviews were aired for government people to get their message out
to the world audience. There was the minister of foreign affairs and yet another
special adviser to the Butcher, Ra'anan Gissen. When such interviews are staged,
by listening carefully you learn of the messages that they have prearranged to
expound. These messages via the BBC were those I listed in my second paragraph.

>From the BBC's coverage I'll point out just one item that I think is deliberate
lying deception.

Reporter BILL HAYTON: "When Palestinian suicide bombers struck at the town of
Netanya two weeks ago they killed five people. That bombing set in motion a
chain of action and reaction."

The truth. When Palestinian struck in Netanya they were retaliating for the Jews
gunning down five Palestinain border guards inside Palestine. (BBC actually
showed Palestinians rejoicing by handing out sweets at that time.) But, the Jews
in the Zionist movement want us to think the Palestinians are starting the
violence and Israel merely responding. That's why there are only rare mentions
of the root cause of it all - the cult belief that God chose the Jews and gave
them the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. If the Jews get Palestine, neither
Egypt nor Iraq will be safe and Iran will be but one nuclear missile away.

Thus the destruction of Palestine continues ... and from its ashes will rise
Eretz Israel ... all with the assistance of our publicly funded broadcasters,
lemming-like populations and spineless politicians.

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In article , "tim says...
>
>
>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9fb5ij02jbn@drn.newsguy.com...
>> For the past week or so there has been an identifiable propaganda campaign
>waged
>> by the Jews in charge of Canada's and the UK's public broadcasters.
>>
>Once again Kanuk sees things that no one else seems to.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

Kanuk sees the zionist movement has a crisis on its hands. It's not reported but
odds are that Jews are moving out of Palestine and will continue to do so as
long as the Intifada continues. Hence, the coordinated initiative is to "stop
the violence" and not mention occupation violence.

The Jews need a few more decades of the "peace process" to complete the
"peaceful" takeover of Palestine. If the current cease fire holds, the Jews will
go back to stalling on any peace move ... but they will never stop their
population transfers. Even if they stop construction for a couple of years, this
will still enable the zionist operatives worldwide to get tens of thousands of
illegally built evacant homes filled up - which further consolidates their grip
on Palestine ... then resume construction again.

Meanwhile, Jewish operatives inside the BBC and CBC, cunningly working the
zionist propaganda, will suppress the issue of occupation and focus on
Palestinian violence. In Canada, Chretien appointed the Jew, Robert Rabinovich,
to head the CBC. He probably did so under badgering pressure from the Canadian
Jewish Congress. In return, he gets left alone by the Jewish media. With this
secretive Jewish power structure from the top down, the Zionist movement is able
to intimidate, suppress, obstruct, deceive, mislead and whatever is necessary to
mold public opinion the way the zionists want. (Werner Knoll's posting in this
thread documents how Canada's biggest media boss, Israel Asper, imposes the same
control in the private sector.)

Below are URLs for maps of the West Bank and Gaza illustrating how the jews are
rendering Palestine into a non-viable entity.
http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/WestBankMap2000.gif
http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/GazaMap2000.gif

The Independent also see this propaganda initiative. See yesterday's article by
Phil Reeves from occupied Jerusalem at
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=75828

That's also what Kanuk sees.



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In article <9fdnf306u2@edrn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>
>In article , "tim says...
>>
>>
>>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>>news:9fb5ij02jbn@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> For the past week or so there has been an identifiable propaganda campaign
>>waged
>>> by the Jews in charge of Canada's and the UK's public broadcasters.
>>>
>>Once again Kanuk sees things that no one else seems to.
>>
>>tim gueguen 101867
>
>Kanuk sees the zionist movement has a crisis on its hands. It's not reported but
>odds are that Jews are moving out of Palestine and will continue to do so as
>long as the Intifada continues. Hence, the coordinated initiative is to "stop
>the violence" and not mention occupation violence.
>
>The Jews need a few more decades of the "peace process" to complete the
>"peaceful" takeover of Palestine. If the current cease fire holds, the Jews will
>go back to stalling on any peace move ... but they will never stop their
>population transfers. Even if they stop construction for a couple of years, this
>will still enable the zionist operatives worldwide to get tens of thousands of
>illegally built evacant homes filled up - which further consolidates their grip
>on Palestine ... then resume construction again.
>
>Meanwhile, Jewish operatives inside the BBC and CBC, cunningly working the
>zionist propaganda, will suppress the issue of occupation and focus on
>Palestinian violence. In Canada, Chretien appointed the Jew, Robert Rabinovich,
>to head the CBC. He probably did so under badgering pressure from the Canadian
>Jewish Congress. In return, he gets left alone by the Jewish media. With this
>secretive Jewish power structure from the top down, the Zionist movement is able
>to intimidate, suppress, obstruct, deceive, mislead and whatever is necessary to
>mold public opinion the way the zionists want. (Werner Knoll's posting in this
>thread documents how Canada's biggest media boss, Israel Asper, imposes the same
>control in the private sector.)
>
>Below are URLs for maps of the West Bank and Gaza illustrating how the jews are
>rendering Palestine into a non-viable entity.
>http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/WestBankMap2000.gif
>http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/GazaMap2000.gif
>
>The Independent also see this propaganda initiative. See yesterday's article by
>Phil Reeves from occupied Jerusalem at
>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=75828
>
>That's also what Kanuk sees.

As of Monday, the Jews in editorial control are still sobbing over the Tel Aviv
bombing. CBC radio bases their story on "a twentieth person has died" ... but
their lead story was reserved for homosexual rights in Nova Scotia. BBC World
showed yet more funeral close-ups of the Russian immigrants.

Throughout the weekend the propaganda offensive was intense. "The pressure is on
Arafat to stop the violence" ... "Israel is holding off on retaliation." ...
"We're giving Arafat one last chance".

And here's what our hijacked public broadcasters are not saying:-

1) Did I miss it being reported on CBC or BBC but this is what is in today's
Jordan Times http://www.jordantimes.com/
------------
"Relatives mourn as the body of slain Palestinian Ziad Mahmoud is carried during
the funeral procession in Ramallah on Sunday after he and his brother Ayed were
killed when their truck overturned after being shot at by extremist Jewish
settlers. (Photo by Osama Silwadi/Reuters)
------------
What's that about Israeli restraint and the unilateral cease fire? Let's pick
out some Israeli targets, give the Butcher one last chance ....

2) Still extremely little about the Jewish violence of colonization and
occupation. It's drowned out by "Arafat must stop the violence." Some talk is
now creeping into the news scripts that there will have to be a period for
stability before the "peace process" resumes ... stalling for the peaceful
takeover of Palestine again ... back to the same old tactic.

3) Finally, Hamas is reported as the organizer of the latest atrocity that began
with the killing of five Palestinian border guards in their tin shack. If Hamas
has claimed responsibility, is there not a political statement attached? If so,
the Jewish boys suppress it and all discussion of it. I'll scan alternate
sources for it and post it if I find it.

By the way, have you noticed how all CBC and BBC correspondents are always based
in Jewish controlled areas - usually occupied Jerusalem? These networks can
never claim to be fairly covering the war until the give equal time to
Palestinian or non-Jewish correspondents from the oppressed side - they have to
live there a while to experience the occupation.



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We are nearly two weeks into the world wide media offensive of the Zionist
movement. No, I don't mean they are buying print and air time. They are freely
coordinating the message with their collaborators planted throughout the world's
media - including our publicly funded broadcasters.

The main messages of the latest offensive is that the kindly Butcher is
observing a cease fire despite wicked "terrorist" attacks from the Palestinians.
Usually, present is the message to the gullible masses that "Arafat must stop
the violence, or else ...".

Then, last Friday there was the Tel Aviv bombing (killing 20)... a retaliation
for the F-16 attacks on Palestine (killing 11?)... a retaliation for the bombing
in Netanya (killing 5)... a retaliation for the attack on the border guards in
their tin shack in Palestine (killing 5). The deaths of the Russian immigrants
in Tel Aviv sent the propaganda campaign into overdrive.

Ominous warnings were issued over and over. "We're giving Arafat 24 hours" ...
"We've picked out our targets for retaliation". And many throughout the world
waited for the next incident to see whether the Zionists would seize the moment
to launch the next phase of the destruction of Palestine.

Then, on Sunday, a Jewish "settler" killed two Palestinian brothers inside
Palestine. BBC and CBC ignored the story and sent their cameras to show the
tears flowing at the Tel Aviv funerals instead. And as the violence of
settlements and military occupation took two more Palestinian lives, the Jewish
media bosses continued to force their reporters to repeat, "Arafat must stop the
violence, or else ...".

Here is a copy of this violence of the rogue government of the Butcher. It's
copied from talk.politics.mideast Perhaps, someone could bring it to our public
broadcasters' attentions.
---------------------------------------------------------

Occupied Jerusalem: 3 June, 2001 (IAP Net)

Two Palestinians brothers were killed and their third brother was seriously
wounded near Ramallah on Sunday when Jewish terrorists opened fire on their
truck, causing it to plunge into a ravine.

Eyewitnesses said Jewish settlers opened fire on the three brothers who were
travelling near the village of Burka.

Hospital sources said the third brother was listed in serious condition.

Meanwhile, the Israeli army attempted an assassination of an Islamic activist in
the Jenin area.

Local sources said a roadside charge, apparently placed by the Israeli
occupation army, exploded as Ahmed Muhammed Bishara was passing by.

He was not hurt.

Meanwhile,  the Palestinian Authority security agencies began patrolling the
so-called friction lines to enforce the cease-fire ordered last night by PA
chairman Yasser Arafat.

A Palestinian spokesman said Arafat ordered his subordinates to enforce the
cease fire which the source described as "very important for the national
interests of the Palestinian people."

However,  Palestinian sources doubted that quiet would last for a long time,
given continuing attacks by Jewish terrorists on Palestinian civilians and the
eventuality of Palestinian retaliation.
-----------------------------------------------------------

... and as this propaganda initiative seems to be failing to whip up mass
support to enable the Jews to destroy more of Palestine the Intefada will
resume. Russians will continue to return to Russia, Americans to America,
Brazilians to Brazil ... and perhaps one day, Paleatinians to Palestine.



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In article , "tim says...
>
>
>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9fb5ij02jbn@drn.newsguy.com...
>> For the past week or so there has been an identifiable propaganda campaign
>waged
>> by the Jews in charge of Canada's and the UK's public broadcasters.
>>
>Once again Kanuk sees things that no one else seems to.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

Kanuk sees the zionist movement has a crisis on its hands. It's not reported but
odds are that Jews are moving out of Palestine and will continue to do so as
long as the Intifada continues. Hence, the coordinated initiative is to "stop
the violence" and not mention occupation violence.

The Jews need a few more decades of the "peace process" to complete the
"peaceful" takeover of Palestine. If the current cease fire holds, the Jews will
go back to stalling on any peace move ... but they will never stop their
population transfers. Even if they stop construction for a couple of years, this
will still enable the zionist operatives worldwide to get tens of thousands of
illegally built evacant homes filled up - which further consolidates their grip
on Palestine ... then resume construction again.

Meanwhile, Jewish operatives inside the BBC and CBC, cunningly working the
zionist propaganda, will suppress the issue of occupation and focus on
Palestinian violence. In Canada, Chretien appointed the Jew, Robert Rabinovich,
to head the CBC. He probably did so under badgering pressure from the Canadian
Jewish Congress. In return, he gets left alone by the Jewish media. With this
secretive Jewish power structure from the top down, the Zionist movement is able
to intimidate, suppress, obstruct, deceive, mislead and whatever is necessary to
mold public opinion the way the zionists want. (Werner Knoll's posting in this
thread documents how Canada's biggest media boss, Israel Asper, imposes the same
control in the private sector.)

Below are URLs for maps of the West Bank and Gaza illustrating how the jews are
rendering Palestine into a non-viable entity.
http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/WestBankMap2000.gif
http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/GazaMap2000.gif

The Independent also see this propaganda initiative. See yesterday's article by
Phil Reeves from occupied Jerusalem at
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=75828

That's also what Kanuk sees.

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In article <9fdnf306u2@edrn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>
>In article , "tim says...
>>
>>
>>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>>news:9fb5ij02jbn@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> For the past week or so there has been an identifiable propaganda campaign
>>waged
>>> by the Jews in charge of Canada's and the UK's public broadcasters.
>>>
>>Once again Kanuk sees things that no one else seems to.
>>
>>tim gueguen 101867
>
>Kanuk sees the zionist movement has a crisis on its hands. It's not reported but
>odds are that Jews are moving out of Palestine and will continue to do so as
>long as the Intifada continues. Hence, the coordinated initiative is to "stop
>the violence" and not mention occupation violence.
>
>The Jews need a few more decades of the "peace process" to complete the
>"peaceful" takeover of Palestine. If the current cease fire holds, the Jews will
>go back to stalling on any peace move ... but they will never stop their
>population transfers. Even if they stop construction for a couple of years, this
>will still enable the zionist operatives worldwide to get tens of thousands of
>illegally built evacant homes filled up - which further consolidates their grip
>on Palestine ... then resume construction again.
>
>Meanwhile, Jewish operatives inside the BBC and CBC, cunningly working the
>zionist propaganda, will suppress the issue of occupation and focus on
>Palestinian violence. In Canada, Chretien appointed the Jew, Robert Rabinovich,
>to head the CBC. He probably did so under badgering pressure from the Canadian
>Jewish Congress. In return, he gets left alone by the Jewish media. With this
>secretive Jewish power structure from the top down, the Zionist movement is able
>to intimidate, suppress, obstruct, deceive, mislead and whatever is necessary to
>mold public opinion the way the zionists want. (Werner Knoll's posting in this
>thread documents how Canada's biggest media boss, Israel Asper, imposes the same
>control in the private sector.)
>
>Below are URLs for maps of the West Bank and Gaza illustrating how the jews are
>rendering Palestine into a non-viable entity.
>http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/WestBankMap2000.gif
>http://palestinercs.org/images/Maps/GazaMap2000.gif
>
>The Independent also see this propaganda initiative. See yesterday's article by
>Phil Reeves from occupied Jerusalem at
>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=75828
>
>That's also what Kanuk sees.

As of Monday, the Jews in editorial control are still sobbing over the Tel Aviv
bombing. CBC radio bases their story on "a twentieth person has died" ... but
their lead story was reserved for homosexual rights in Nova Scotia. BBC World
showed yet more funeral close-ups of the Russian immigrants.

Throughout the weekend the propaganda offensive was intense. "The pressure is on
Arafat to stop the violence" ... "Israel is holding off on retaliation." ...
"We're giving Arafat one last chance".

And here's what our hijacked public broadcasters are not saying:-

1) Did I miss it being reported on CBC or BBC but this is what is in today's
Jordan Times http://www.jordantimes.com/
------------
"Relatives mourn as the body of slain Palestinian Ziad Mahmoud is carried during
the funeral procession in Ramallah on Sunday after he and his brother Ayed were
killed when their truck overturned after being shot at by extremist Jewish
settlers. (Photo by Osama Silwadi/Reuters)
------------
What's that about Israeli restraint and the unilateral cease fire? Let's pick
out some Israeli targets, give the Butcher one last chance ....

2) Still extremely little about the Jewish violence of colonization and
occupation. It's drowned out by "Arafat must stop the violence." Some talk is
now creeping into the news scripts that there will have to be a period for
stability before the "peace process" resumes ... stalling for the peaceful
takeover of Palestine again ... back to the same old tactic.

3) Finally, Hamas is reported as the organizer of the latest atrocity that began
with the killing of five Palestinian border guards in their tin shack. If Hamas
has claimed responsibility, is there not a political statement attached? If so,
the Jewish boys suppress it and all discussion of it. I'll scan alternate
sources for it and post it if I find it.

By the way, have you noticed how all CBC and BBC correspondents are always based
in Jewish controlled areas - usually occupied Jerusalem? These networks can
never claim to be fairly covering the war until the give equal time to
Palestinian or non-Jewish correspondents from the oppressed side - they have to
live there a while to experience the occupation.

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We are nearly two weeks into the world wide media offensive of the Zionist
movement. No, I don't mean they are buying print and air time. They are freely
coordinating the message with their collaborators planted throughout the world's
media - including our publicly funded broadcasters.

The main messages of the latest offensive is that the kindly Butcher is
observing a cease fire despite wicked "terrorist" attacks from the Palestinians.
Usually, present is the message to the gullible masses that "Arafat must stop
the violence, or else ...".

Then, last Friday there was the Tel Aviv bombing (killing 20)... a retaliation
for the F-16 attacks on Palestine (killing 11?)... a retaliation for the bombing
in Netanya (killing 5)... a retaliation for the attack on the border guards in
their tin shack in Palestine (killing 5). The deaths of the Russian immigrants
in Tel Aviv sent the propaganda campaign into overdrive.

Ominous warnings were issued over and over. "We're giving Arafat 24 hours" ...
"We've picked out our targets for retaliation". And many throughout the world
waited for the next incident to see whether the Zionists would seize the moment
to launch the next phase of the destruction of Palestine.

Then, on Sunday, a Jewish "settler" killed two Palestinian brothers inside
Palestine. BBC and CBC ignored the story and sent their cameras to show the
tears flowing at the Tel Aviv funerals instead. And as the violence of
settlements and military occupation took two more Palestinian lives, the Jewish
media bosses continued to force their reporters to repeat, "Arafat must stop the
violence, or else ...".

Here is a copy of this violence of the rogue government of the Butcher. It's
copied from talk.politics.mideast Perhaps, someone could bring it to our public
broadcasters' attentions.
---------------------------------------------------------

Occupied Jerusalem: 3 June, 2001 (IAP Net)

Two Palestinians brothers were killed and their third brother was seriously
wounded near Ramallah on Sunday when Jewish terrorists opened fire on their
truck, causing it to plunge into a ravine.

Eyewitnesses said Jewish settlers opened fire on the three brothers who were
travelling near the village of Burka.

Hospital sources said the third brother was listed in serious condition.

Meanwhile, the Israeli army attempted an assassination of an Islamic activist in
the Jenin area.

Local sources said a roadside charge, apparently placed by the Israeli
occupation army, exploded as Ahmed Muhammed Bishara was passing by.

He was not hurt.

Meanwhile,  the Palestinian Authority security agencies began patrolling the
so-called friction lines to enforce the cease-fire ordered last night by PA
chairman Yasser Arafat.

A Palestinian spokesman said Arafat ordered his subordinates to enforce the
cease fire which the source described as "very important for the national
interests of the Palestinian people."

However,  Palestinian sources doubted that quiet would last for a long time,
given continuing attacks by Jewish terrorists on Palestinian civilians and the
eventuality of Palestinian retaliation.
-----------------------------------------------------------

... and as this propaganda initiative seems to be failing to whip up mass
support to enable the Jews to destroy more of Palestine the Intefada will
resume. Russians will continue to return to Russia, Americans to America,
Brazilians to Brazil ... and perhaps one day, Paleatinians to Palestine.

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The media sharade moves on with the next phase of promoting the ever-stalling
"peace process". All the Jewish controlled media are telling us that George
Tenet, the head of the CIA is helping out over there.

What they are not telling us is that George Tenet is a Jew - and a Jew accepted
for the CIA position by the powerful zionist watchdog lobby, AIPAC.

How can a Jew, or such a Jew, possibly be neutral?



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In article <9fj0ho01jao@edrn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>
>We are nearly two weeks into the world wide media offensive of the Zionist
>movement. 
> [[[snipped]]]
>
>Then, on Sunday, a Jewish "settler" killed two Palestinian brothers inside
>Palestine. BBC and CBC ignored the story and sent their cameras to show the
>tears flowing at the Tel Aviv funerals instead. And as the violence of
>settlements and military occupation took two more Palestinian lives, the Jewish
>media bosses continued to force their reporters to repeat, "Arafat must stop
>>the violence, or else ...".

It turn out that the heart of a Palestinian killed by a Jew was used to save the
life of another Jew. This Palestinian is not one of the two killed on Sunday
during the Butcher's "cease fire". Note the source - the BBC (probably web
rather than broadcast.)
-----------------------
source: BBC News

Palestinian saves Israeli lives

Tuesday, 5 June, 2001


A Palestinian family has made an unusual gesture of goodwill in the
midst of the bloody violence and deep mistrust between Arabs and
Israelis. 

The Djulani family donated the organs of thier dead son to five
people, four of them Israelis, for life-saving transplants. 

Mazen Djulani died after being shot in the head in east Jerusalem last
week. An Israeli Jew has already received his heart. 

David Cohen, the father of one of the recipients, said he was "very
surprised" by the gesture. 

"It is really touching, especially in these days when relations are so
tense. This noble family comes and teaches us that it is possible to
do things in a different way," he said. 

Igal Cohen told Maariv newspaper that he would like to meet Djulani's
father and brothers. 

"If this can help advance the peace, then I've contributed my part,"
he said. 

First donation 

Israel's national organ transplant co-ordinator said this was the
first such donation since the wave of violence which began last
September. 

Lufti Djulani, the dead man's father, was quoted as saying he wanted
to save lives, live in peace with the Israelis and be rid of Jewish
settlements. 

The family gave permission for the lungs, liver, kidney and pancreas
of the dead 34-year-old to be donated to an Israeli organ bank. 

"I donated the organs to save the lives of others, no matter if they
were Jews, Christians or Muslims, even though my son was killed by a
Jewish settler's bullet," he told The Associated Press news agency. 

Jerusalem police dispute this version of the killing, saying it was a
criminal act committed by another Palestinian. 

Scuffles between police and mourners were reported at Djulani's
funeral on Monday. 
------------------------------------------



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In article <37bvhtco7kiajoagusb0378lui8rgqqt3j@4ax.com>, Jay says...

No-one gets to head up the CIA without passing a lot of scrutiny ... and the
most powerful of all scrutineers is the Jewish lobby. They command a huge
following in the congress because of the power they wield over its members
through Jewish editorial control over the media. A few congressmen have
attempted to defy the Lobby ... and paid the price.

Sadly, the dominant characteristic of the AIPAC lobbies is Zionism - decent Jews
don't count. Nobody passes the Lobby's screen who might threaten zionist goals.
No-one gets to head the CIA unless they are supportive. George Tenet is a Jew
who supports Zionism ... that's why the US administration sends him to the Holy
Land. His mission is to quiet down the situation so that Jews can resume the
takeover of Palestine - a process that went into reverse with the Intefada.

Tenet follows others who have enabled "progress" toward zionism's primary goal -
the taking of Palestine for the Jews. Most recently there was Madeline Albright,
a Jewess. Years earlier, Henry Kissinger, a Jew with strong zionist connections.
In the Clinton administration there was Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk, Richard
Holbrook, Berger and Cohen - all Jews helping the zionist cause.

The BBC and CBC (the only ones I follow) are quick to give the race or religion
of Israel's foes when there is a negative connotation to spread. It's a daily
occurrence. "Muslim kidnappers in the Philippines ..." is currently being echoed
- even though the religion has nothing to do with the story. Yet when the likes
of Tenet make the news and his race or religion is relevant, there is the usual
conspicuous omission.

Who claims Jews aren't using our media to mislead and deceive us to further the
criminal schemes of zionists?

>As opposed to a spamming Nazi like you Leo Lennox?
>
>On 6 Jun 2001 19:46:57 -0700, Kanuk  wrote:
>
>>The media sharade moves on with the next phase of promoting the ever-stalling
>>"peace process". All the Jewish controlled media are telling us that George
>>Tenet, the head of the CIA is helping out over there.
>>
>>What they are not telling us is that George Tenet is a Jew - and a Jew accepted
>>for the CIA position by the powerful zionist watchdog lobby, AIPAC.
>>
>>How can a Jew, or such a Jew, possibly be neutral?
>



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Sharon Must Stop the Violence ... Or Else
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Here and there the Jewish controlled media are giving passing references to
Israel's army, operating illegally inside Palestine, killing three more
Palestinian women who were sitting in their tent on Saturday. This brings to six
the number of Arab deaths as a result of violence of the Jewish occupation in
the past week - a week where Ariel Sharon, "The Butcher of Beirut", has declared
that Arafat must stop the violence ... or else. It is believed that no Jews have
been killed in this period.

A week ago, two Palestinian brothers died as their car plunged into a ravine on
coming under fire from illegal Jewish settlers in the West Bank. On the same
day, a Palestinian man died in occupied Jerusalem from injuries received earlier
>from Jewish gunfire. His family donated his organs - and his heart saved the
life of a Jew.

The Zionist organizations have enforced a world-wide media campaign to propagate
the notion that it is the Palestinians who are perpetrating violence on Israel.
This entails requiring the media to stay away from referencing land theft and
the protecting military occupation, international law, including UN resolutions
dealing with the occupation. Jewish agents planted throughout the media have
given little coverage to these six deaths, concentrating instead on the so
called "peace process". The head of the American CIA is the focus of this
diversion. The media is not reporting that George Tenet is a Jew sent to the
Holy Land by the Jewish dominated US administration.

As long as the tiny Jewish minority control the media, the zionist movement will
feel empowered to inflict violence in the Middle East and suppress free
discussion of these issues world-wide. Don't expect even our public broadcasters
to declare that Sharon must stop the violence ... or else.



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In article , "Ike" says...
>
>But this is isreali/arab politics and not uk politics.

A Jew has just been appointed British Foreign Secretary. Try telling me that
Jack Straw has not been put there at the urging of the Jewish lobbies.

If the Jews did not have influence in British foreign policy, would the Jews be
in Palestine? Would Britain be preventing Iraq from exercising sovereignty over
that half of their land next to Israel?

It's British, American, Canadian and other politics that enables the Jews to
perpetrate these outrages. The least we can do is try to heighten awareness of
what cunning politicians are up to.



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In fairness to the CBC, what goes on there is typical of the Western media,
where the Zionist movement have planted their agents. With close cooperation
with the Government of Israel these mass media are spinning Israel as the "good
guy" and setting the scene to blame the Palestinians for the coming trouble.

On this morning's _World Report_, carefully crafted scripting would have us
believe that the Butcher's government is making great sacrifices for peace
despite the wicked Palestinians. Here are some direct quotes exposing the slick
propaganda.

NEWS READER: "Israel has accepted a plan by the head of the US Central
Intelligence Agency to end almost nine months of violence." {Can you dream up a
better lead statement to make Israel look good?] ... the proposal ... is being
accepted despite Israeli reservations. [Note the notion of Israel making a
sacrifice.]

MIKE HORNBROOK: ... Yet today Israel has announced it will accept Tenet's
proposals despite reservations. [Repetition gets the "sacrifice" message
home.]... the Palestinians rejected Israel's demand [Palestinians-the-Bad]to
Jail dozens of Islamic militants [Islam is terrible.]"

Then CBC allows the Butcher's slick spokesman a voice clip to directly access
Canadians with no equal opportunity from the Palestinian side.

RA'ANAN GISSIN "There has to be a complete cessation of terror and violence as
well as encitement ..." [Palestinian violent terrorists.]

MIKE HORNBROOK: "...yet the Israelis have ceased the initiative by accepting the
proposal [said for a third time]. The next move is up to the Palestinians.
[setting the stage to blame the Palestinians.] Mike Hornbrook, CBC News,
Jerusalem. [As always CBC's correspondents are based in areas under Jewish
military control - hardly the way to tell both sides of the story.]"

Inserted into the story was a summary of a death on each side yesterday. Note
some of the tricks employed by the crafty editors.

MIKE HORNBROOK: "Yesterday, a five month old Jewish baby [religios mention when
propaganda is served] died from head wounds sustained when his car was attacked
[Canadians must not know that the baby inside occupied Palestine] by stone
throwing Palestinians [Canadians must know who did it.] and a Palestinian died
when his car blew up in the West Bank. [Canadians must not know who did it -
seems it just blew up ... damn those carburetors]"

Although, the Jews at CBC eagerly employ the religious smear "Islamic militants"
they deceptively refrain from noting that George Tenet is a Jew - a fact that to
me is highly relevant because it questions his neutrality. Group loyalty is
rigorously enforced when the Jewish lobbies place their man in a position of
power. Unfortunately for decent Jews and world peace, that enforced loyalty is
to the racist goals of Zionism.

Can CBC staff break free from such enforced intimidation and give Canadians the
straight goods?



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Here and there the Jewish controlled media are giving passing references to
Israel's army, operating illegally inside Palestine, killing three more
Palestinian women who were sitting in their tent on Saturday. This brings to six
the number of Arab deaths as a result of violence of the Jewish occupation in
the past week - a week where Ariel Sharon, "The Butcher of Beirut", has declared
that Arafat must stop the violence ... or else. It is believed that no Jews have
been killed in this period.

A week ago, two Palestinian brothers died as their car plunged into a ravine on
coming under fire from illegal Jewish settlers in the West Bank. On the same
day, a Palestinian man died in occupied Jerusalem from injuries received earlier
>from Jewish gunfire. His family donated his organs - and his heart saved the
life of a Jew.

The Zionist organizations have enforced a world-wide media campaign to propagate
the notion that it is the Palestinians who are perpetrating violence on Israel.
This entails requiring the media to stay away from referencing land theft and
the protecting military occupation, international law, including UN resolutions
dealing with the occupation. Jewish agents planted throughout the media have
given little coverage to these six deaths, concentrating instead on the so
called "peace process". The head of the American CIA is the focus of this
diversion. The media is not reporting that George Tenet is a Jew sent to the
Holy Land by the Jewish dominated US administration.

As long as the tiny Jewish minority control the media, the zionist movement will
feel empowered to inflict violence in the Middle East and suppress free
discussion of these issues world-wide. Don't expect even our public broadcasters
to declare that Sharon must stop the violence ... or else.

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In fairness to the CBC, what goes on there is typical of the Western media,
where the Zionist movement have planted their agents. With close cooperation
with the Government of Israel these mass media are spinning Israel as the "good
guy" and setting the scene to blame the Palestinians for the coming trouble.

On this morning's _World Report_, carefully crafted scripting would have us
believe that the Butcher's government is making great sacrifices for peace
despite the wicked Palestinians. Here are some direct quotes exposing the slick
propaganda.

NEWS READER: "Israel has accepted a plan by the head of the US Central
Intelligence Agency to end almost nine months of violence." {Can you dream up a
better lead statement to make Israel look good?] ... the proposal ... is being
accepted despite Israeli reservations. [Note the notion of Israel making a
sacrifice.]

MIKE HORNBROOK: ... Yet today Israel has announced it will accept Tenet's
proposals despite reservations. [Repetition gets the "sacrifice" message
home.]... the Palestinians rejected Israel's demand [Palestinians-the-Bad]to
Jail dozens of Islamic militants [Islam is terrible.]"

Then CBC allows the Butcher's slick spokesman a voice clip to directly access
Canadians with no equal opportunity from the Palestinian side.

RA'ANAN GISSIN "There has to be a complete cessation of terror and violence as
well as encitement ..." [Palestinian violent terrorists.]

MIKE HORNBROOK: "...yet the Israelis have ceased the initiative by accepting the
proposal [said for a third time]. The next move is up to the Palestinians.
[setting the stage to blame the Palestinians.] Mike Hornbrook, CBC News,
Jerusalem. [As always CBC's correspondents are based in areas under Jewish
military control - hardly the way to tell both sides of the story.]"

Inserted into the story was a summary of a death on each side yesterday. Note
some of the tricks employed by the crafty editors.

MIKE HORNBROOK: "Yesterday, a five month old Jewish baby [religios mention when
propaganda is served] died from head wounds sustained when his car was attacked
[Canadians must not know that the baby inside occupied Palestine] by stone
throwing Palestinians [Canadians must know who did it.] and a Palestinian died
when his car blew up in the West Bank. [Canadians must not know who did it -
seems it just blew up ... damn those carburetors]"

Although, the Jews at CBC eagerly employ the religious smear "Islamic militants"
they deceptively refrain from noting that George Tenet is a Jew - a fact that to
me is highly relevant because it questions his neutrality. Group loyalty is
rigorously enforced when the Jewish lobbies place their man in a position of
power. Unfortunately for decent Jews and world peace, that enforced loyalty is
to the racist goals of Zionism.

Can CBC staff break free from such enforced intimidation and give Canadians the
straight goods?

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http://www.observer.co.uk
17June2001
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The first casualty of war 

Israelis say Western reports are biased. But the media complain Israel is
harassing them. Report by Peter Beaumont, Brian Whitaker in Jerusalem and Edward
Helmore in New York

Special report: Israel and the Middle East 

Sunday June 17, 2001
The Observer 

Members of the Foreign Press Association in Jerusalem sat down over drinks at
their annual meeting at the Inbal hotel a few weeks ago to discuss harassment of
reporters covering the intifada. There was much to discuss. A few days earlier
Josh Hammer, the bureau chief of Newsweek magazine, had been detained by
Palestinians while working in Gaza.
Hammer had said he had been well treated and had enjoyed one of the best meals
he had eaten in the Middle East.

What was bothering the journalists, however, was not Hammer's brief detention,
but the Israeli government's use of the incident as an opportunity to accuse the
Palestinian Authority of harassing, threatening and killing journalists as they
went about their work in the flashpoints of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The members of the FPA begged furiously to differ. If journalists were facing
any intimidation during the present intifada, complained the assembled
reporters, it was not from the Palestinians but from the Israeli army, which
they accused of directing gunfire at them. Eight journalists in as many months
had been wounded, some seriously, including AP photographer Yolah Monakhov, CNN
bureau chief Ben Wedeman and French television correspondent Bertrand Aguirre.

In each case the FPA had complained. In each case the Israeli authorities had
declined to reply.

That harassment, correspondents say, is not confined to physical threats. It is
psychological as well, and from both official and unofficial sources. At its
worst it has smacked of the tactics of the Soviet bloc countries during the Cold
War. Correspondents the Israeli authorities feel have stepped out of line -
including the Guardian's award-winning correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg - have
been threatened with having their accreditation removed.

Dossiers of alleged anti-Israeli bias have been sent to editors, and
correspondents who have fallen foul of the authorities have complained of being
the target of humiliating searches when they leave the country.

On the unofficial front, the attacks on Goldenberg have been nastier and more
insidious. She has been abused in the Jewish media as naive, inexperienced and a
'self-hating Jew'. Goldenberg has been forced to change her email address after
being bombarded daily with hundreds of complaints about her coverage. She is not
alone.

Last week the sense of siege among journalists covering the intifada was
ratcheted up another notch as the offices of the BBC in Jerusalem were deluged
with calls complaining about the content of a Panorama programme unseen in
Britain and Israel alike. It will be shown in the UK tonight.

A new front is opening in the intifada. Faced with increasing international
criticism of its handling of the Palestinian uprising, the Israeli government of
Ariel Sharon and its allies in the powerful and influential pro-Israeli lobby,
have stepped up their efforts against international media reporting the current
crisis. News organisations that fall foul of Israel are accused of being
pro-Palestinian at best, and at worst anti-Semitic.

'You only have to look at some of the things that are being said about Israel in
the international media,' complains one high-ranking Israeli official in the
Ministry of Information. 'You only have to look at the Spanish media. Every time
they mention the Middle East they talk about "a holocaust". Of course that is
going to offend us.

'And what bothers us is the way in which many organisations - especially the
news wires and broadcasters - use Palestinian stringers in the Gaza Strip and
the West Bank. So, of course, we think they are biased.'

The BBC, which has faced repeated accusations of bias, has been shocked by the
response of the Israeli government to Panorama, which examines the
well-documented involvement of Sharon in the massacres in the Sabra and Shatila
refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 when, as Defence Minister, he allowed his
country's Christian militia allies to enter the camps.

On the basis only of advance publicity material for the programme, the BBC has
been accused of bias in the Israeli press. In London the Israeli embassy has
already complained to the corporation's deputy director for news. The Israeli
leader's lawyers have warned the BBC it must take account of Sharon's views.

And while some harassment of reporters who are felt to be 'biased' against
Israel is not new, correspondents say that what has changed has been the
intensity of both the lobbying and the intimidation.

For many years, pro-Israeli organisations have organised letter-writing
campaigns to protest against articles and programmes they dislike. With the
development of email, this activity has grown enormously. Websites, such as
honestreporting.com, target individual journalists and provide ready-written
letters of complaint for subscribers to send out.

This weekend the site had already produced a pro forma letter of complaint
against tonight's Panorama.

Honestreporting.com also issues awards. One recently went to Martin Peretz,
editor-in-chief of the US magazine New Republic, who 'has consistently stood by
Israel's side', and another to Conrad Black, proprietor of the Daily and Sunday
Telegraph newspapers and the Spectator magazine, for lashing out against
'rabidly anti-Israel' journalists and governments.

The intensity of the lobbying, admits Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger - who
returned recently from a fact-finding mission to Israel - can have an insidious
effect. 'There are all sorts of non-governmental and ad hoc groups who blitz you
with letters to complain about allegations of bias in your coverage. It is
ignorable stuff on the whole,' he says, though he admits: 'It does get into the
bloodstream of the wider debate.

'The pro-Israeli lobby is also very well organised. And the truth is that they
do have better access and influence in the media than Palestinian lobbyists.'

It is a lobby too that - despite the accusations of systematic media bias - has
powerful allies. Black has never tried to hide his support for the Israeli
cause, sending his wife, the journalist Barbara Amiel, to report on it.

The Times under Peter Stothard has also been broadly sympathetic to Israel in
its coverage, an editorial line that has been blamed for the departure of its
Middle East correspondent Sam Kiley, who is understood to have been
uncomfortable with it.

But where the pressure from the pro-Israeli lobby has been most intense has been
on media organisations felt to be out of line. Among those groups in Britain are
the Conservative Friends of Israel, which invites senior journalists to lunches
at the House of Commons. For those working for organisations perceived as being
biased against Israel these can be uncomfortable affairs.

One member is the Conservative MP Gillian Shephard, who is at pains to explain
the sense of persecution that Israelis and the wider Jewish community feel at
the hands of the media.

'Let's not forget that Israel feels under siege. And it literally is. That is
what drives the feeling of ultra-sensitivity. They feel that there is bias and
there is a conspiracy against them. There is a perception that Israelis are
portrayed as instigating the problems and that the historical context of the
threat against Israel is forgotten. There is a feeling too that Israel - which
is a tiny island of democracy amid much less democratic neighbours - never gets
enough credit for what it has achieved.'

It is a view that is not confined to London. In New York, with its large Jewish
constituency, questioning Israeli policy in the press is considered close to, if
not actually, anti-Semitism and all that entails. Thomas L Friedman, the
celebrated New York Times columnist who writes regularly about the Middle East,
is in no doubt why it has become such a difficult place to report.

'This is a charged political environment,' he says. 'Everyone wants to own you,
and if they can't own you they want to destroy you. That applies just as much to
the Arab world as it does to Israel. There is no middle ground. There is no time
and no place that someone will put their arm around you and say, "Gosh, I really
appreciate your fair and balanced reporting".'



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http://www.observer.co.uk
17June2001
----------------------------------------------
The first casualty of war 

Israelis say Western reports are biased. But the media complain Israel is
harassing them. Report by Peter Beaumont, Brian Whitaker in Jerusalem and Edward
Helmore in New York

Special report: Israel and the Middle East 

Sunday June 17, 2001
The Observer 

Members of the Foreign Press Association in Jerusalem sat down over drinks at
their annual meeting at the Inbal hotel a few weeks ago to discuss harassment of
reporters covering the intifada. There was much to discuss. A few days earlier
Josh Hammer, the bureau chief of Newsweek magazine, had been detained by
Palestinians while working in Gaza.
Hammer had said he had been well treated and had enjoyed one of the best meals
he had eaten in the Middle East.

What was bothering the journalists, however, was not Hammer's brief detention,
but the Israeli government's use of the incident as an opportunity to accuse the
Palestinian Authority of harassing, threatening and killing journalists as they
went about their work in the flashpoints of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The members of the FPA begged furiously to differ. If journalists were facing
any intimidation during the present intifada, complained the assembled
reporters, it was not from the Palestinians but from the Israeli army, which
they accused of directing gunfire at them. Eight journalists in as many months
had been wounded, some seriously, including AP photographer Yolah Monakhov, CNN
bureau chief Ben Wedeman and French television correspondent Bertrand Aguirre.

In each case the FPA had complained. In each case the Israeli authorities had
declined to reply.

That harassment, correspondents say, is not confined to physical threats. It is
psychological as well, and from both official and unofficial sources. At its
worst it has smacked of the tactics of the Soviet bloc countries during the Cold
War. Correspondents the Israeli authorities feel have stepped out of line -
including the Guardian's award-winning correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg - have
been threatened with having their accreditation removed.

Dossiers of alleged anti-Israeli bias have been sent to editors, and
correspondents who have fallen foul of the authorities have complained of being
the target of humiliating searches when they leave the country.

On the unofficial front, the attacks on Goldenberg have been nastier and more
insidious. She has been abused in the Jewish media as naive, inexperienced and a
'self-hating Jew'. Goldenberg has been forced to change her email address after
being bombarded daily with hundreds of complaints about her coverage. She is not
alone.

Last week the sense of siege among journalists covering the intifada was
ratcheted up another notch as the offices of the BBC in Jerusalem were deluged
with calls complaining about the content of a Panorama programme unseen in
Britain and Israel alike. It will be shown in the UK tonight.

A new front is opening in the intifada. Faced with increasing international
criticism of its handling of the Palestinian uprising, the Israeli government of
Ariel Sharon and its allies in the powerful and influential pro-Israeli lobby,
have stepped up their efforts against international media reporting the current
crisis. News organisations that fall foul of Israel are accused of being
pro-Palestinian at best, and at worst anti-Semitic.

'You only have to look at some of the things that are being said about Israel in
the international media,' complains one high-ranking Israeli official in the
Ministry of Information. 'You only have to look at the Spanish media. Every time
they mention the Middle East they talk about "a holocaust". Of course that is
going to offend us.

'And what bothers us is the way in which many organisations - especially the
news wires and broadcasters - use Palestinian stringers in the Gaza Strip and
the West Bank. So, of course, we think they are biased.'

The BBC, which has faced repeated accusations of bias, has been shocked by the
response of the Israeli government to Panorama, which examines the
well-documented involvement of Sharon in the massacres in the Sabra and Shatila
refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 when, as Defence Minister, he allowed his
country's Christian militia allies to enter the camps.

On the basis only of advance publicity material for the programme, the BBC has
been accused of bias in the Israeli press. In London the Israeli embassy has
already complained to the corporation's deputy director for news. The Israeli
leader's lawyers have warned the BBC it must take account of Sharon's views.

And while some harassment of reporters who are felt to be 'biased' against
Israel is not new, correspondents say that what has changed has been the
intensity of both the lobbying and the intimidation.

For many years, pro-Israeli organisations have organised letter-writing
campaigns to protest against articles and programmes they dislike. With the
development of email, this activity has grown enormously. Websites, such as
honestreporting.com, target individual journalists and provide ready-written
letters of complaint for subscribers to send out.

This weekend the site had already produced a pro forma letter of complaint
against tonight's Panorama.

Honestreporting.com also issues awards. One recently went to Martin Peretz,
editor-in-chief of the US magazine New Republic, who 'has consistently stood by
Israel's side', and another to Conrad Black, proprietor of the Daily and Sunday
Telegraph newspapers and the Spectator magazine, for lashing out against
'rabidly anti-Israel' journalists and governments.

The intensity of the lobbying, admits Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger - who
returned recently from a fact-finding mission to Israel - can have an insidious
effect. 'There are all sorts of non-governmental and ad hoc groups who blitz you
with letters to complain about allegations of bias in your coverage. It is
ignorable stuff on the whole,' he says, though he admits: 'It does get into the
bloodstream of the wider debate.

'The pro-Israeli lobby is also very well organised. And the truth is that they
do have better access and influence in the media than Palestinian lobbyists.'

It is a lobby too that - despite the accusations of systematic media bias - has
powerful allies. Black has never tried to hide his support for the Israeli
cause, sending his wife, the journalist Barbara Amiel, to report on it.

The Times under Peter Stothard has also been broadly sympathetic to Israel in
its coverage, an editorial line that has been blamed for the departure of its
Middle East correspondent Sam Kiley, who is understood to have been
uncomfortable with it.

But where the pressure from the pro-Israeli lobby has been most intense has been
on media organisations felt to be out of line. Among those groups in Britain are
the Conservative Friends of Israel, which invites senior journalists to lunches
at the House of Commons. For those working for organisations perceived as being
biased against Israel these can be uncomfortable affairs.

One member is the Conservative MP Gillian Shephard, who is at pains to explain
the sense of persecution that Israelis and the wider Jewish community feel at
the hands of the media.

'Let's not forget that Israel feels under siege. And it literally is. That is
what drives the feeling of ultra-sensitivity. They feel that there is bias and
there is a conspiracy against them. There is a perception that Israelis are
portrayed as instigating the problems and that the historical context of the
threat against Israel is forgotten. There is a feeling too that Israel - which
is a tiny island of democracy amid much less democratic neighbours - never gets
enough credit for what it has achieved.'

It is a view that is not confined to London. In New York, with its large Jewish
constituency, questioning Israeli policy in the press is considered close to, if
not actually, anti-Semitism and all that entails. Thomas L Friedman, the
celebrated New York Times columnist who writes regularly about the Middle East,
is in no doubt why it has become such a difficult place to report.

'This is a charged political environment,' he says. 'Everyone wants to own you,
and if they can't own you they want to destroy you. That applies just as much to
the Arab world as it does to Israel. There is no middle ground. There is no time
and no place that someone will put their arm around you and say, "Gosh, I really
appreciate your fair and balanced reporting".'

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Monday night's _The National_ told how Palestinians responded to the cease fire
by snipers gunning down two Israelis. Fair enough, but there was no mention of
the Jewish army's response or the fate of two Palestinian children that same day
... and that does not fairly inform Canadians. (All deaths are occurring, not in
Israel, but in occupied Palestine.)

You can read it for yourself as copied below from the British newspaper, The
Independent. Also, big news in and about the Holy Land today is the reaction to
the BBC's documentary on the Butcher of Beirut as a war criminal. In yet another
story, survivors of his massacre are in Brussels asking for charges to be laid
against this Butcher.

I note,too, that over the weekend another 12 year old boy was gunned down in
Gaza. CBC happilly said he was shot by Palestinians trying to shoot at
"Israelis". Later the story was "killed in disputed circumstances". Well, it
turns out that he was just another Palestinian child killed by Jews inside
Plaestine.

Now, are the producers and senior editors of The National missing this
information ... or are they part of the organized deception of the public -
trying to make Israel look good and their enemies, bad? I hope some of the
decent people within CBC can root out the cancer amongst them so that CBC's
treatment of stories from the Middle East comply with journalistic standards.

The Independent 19June2001
http://news.independent.co.uk/
---------------------------------------------------
Three more killings put CIA-brokered truce under pressure
By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem
19 June 2001

Massacre survivors want Sharon tried in Belgium
A week after a CIA-brokered ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians, the
list of the dead is ticking steadily upwards ­ rising by three more yesterday.

Two Israelis were shot in the occupied West Bank by Palestinian gunmen and a
16-year-old Arab youth in the Gaza Strip died of his wounds. A nine-year-old boy
was also buried. The spate of killings brings the number to die since the
ceasefire was finally formalised by the CIA director George Tenet last week to
eight ­ five Palestinians and three Israelis. It will strengthen mutual
allegations that the truce is being routinely broken, and bring more political
pressure on both sides to step up the conflict.

Israel's government publicity machine has successfully promoted the view that
the violence is committed only by the Palestinians. In reality, violations of
the truce have come from both sides.

On Sunday two Palestinian youths were shot by the Israeli military, which says
its soldiers are under orders to shoot only when their lives are threatened. The
youths had reportedly been throwing stones.

There were three shootings of Israeli motorists yesterday. A 35-year-old Jewish
settler was shot dead on the West Bank. A faction of Fatah claimed
responsibility. A second person was shot dead last night in a convoy of cars
approaching the Jewish settlement of Einav in the northern West Bank.

The violence was reflected in hostile verbal exchanges. Israel's Prime Minister,
Ariel Sharon has said a "cooling-off" period will not begin until the
Palestinian attacks have been brought to a complete halt.

Speaking during a trip to Jordan, Yasser Arafat accused Israel of breaking
international commitments and warned that the ceasefire deal would not last
unless Israel ended its blockade of the occupied territories and froze
settlement building.

Israel is sticking to what it calls a policy of "restraint", maintaining much of
its punitive siege, but using less excessive military measures than earlier in
the conflict. Yesterday, Mr Sharon reiterated this intention: "I am not willing
to accept calls ... saying I have to take this nation to war."

Two bombs were discovered and safely detonated inside Israel in the
Mediterranean city of Haifa yesterday. One bomb was attached to a motorcycle and
was set to be detonated by an attached cellular telephone, a police spokesman
said.

The events have placed Ariel Sharon under further pressure from the far-right to
launch a major military strike against the Palestinians, a move which he
publicly resisted.

"There are many things we must do ... but to take the people now to war, in my
view, is a mistake of the first order from every perspective," the Israeli Prime
Minister told members of his Likud party.
---------------------------------------------------
... and see also the Brussels story from the same link, which begins:-
------------------------------
Atrocity survivors ask Belgian court to indict Sharon
By Stephen Castle in Brussels
19 June 2001

Should Sharon be tried for war crimes? Have your say in Argument
Palestinian survivors of a massacre in Lebanon nearly 20 years ago asked a
Belgian court yesterday to indict the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, for
crimes against humanity over his role in the carnage.
[...]



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Monday night's _The National_ told how Palestinians responded to the cease fire
by snipers gunning down two Israelis. Fair enough, but there was no mention of
the Jewish army's response or the fate of two Palestinian children that same day
... and that does not fairly inform Canadians. (All deaths are occurring, not in
Israel, but in occupied Palestine.)

You can read it for yourself as copied below from the British newspaper, The
Independent. Also, big news in and about the Holy Land today is the reaction to
the BBC's documentary on the Butcher of Beirut as a war criminal. In yet another
story, survivors of his massacre are in Brussels asking for charges to be laid
against this Butcher.

I note,too, that over the weekend another 12 year old boy was gunned down in
Gaza. CBC happilly said he was shot by Palestinians trying to shoot at
"Israelis". Later the story was "killed in disputed circumstances". Well, it
turns out that he was just another Palestinian child killed by Jews inside
Plaestine.

Now, are the producers and senior editors of The National missing this
information ... or are they part of the organized deception of the public -
trying to make Israel look good and their enemies, bad? I hope some of the
decent people within CBC can root out the cancer amongst them so that CBC's
treatment of stories from the Middle East comply with journalistic standards.

The Independent 19June2001
http://news.independent.co.uk/
---------------------------------------------------
Three more killings put CIA-brokered truce under pressure
By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem
19 June 2001

Massacre survivors want Sharon tried in Belgium
A week after a CIA-brokered ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians, the
list of the dead is ticking steadily upwards ­ rising by three more yesterday.

Two Israelis were shot in the occupied West Bank by Palestinian gunmen and a
16-year-old Arab youth in the Gaza Strip died of his wounds. A nine-year-old boy
was also buried. The spate of killings brings the number to die since the
ceasefire was finally formalised by the CIA director George Tenet last week to
eight ­ five Palestinians and three Israelis. It will strengthen mutual
allegations that the truce is being routinely broken, and bring more political
pressure on both sides to step up the conflict.

Israel's government publicity machine has successfully promoted the view that
the violence is committed only by the Palestinians. In reality, violations of
the truce have come from both sides.

On Sunday two Palestinian youths were shot by the Israeli military, which says
its soldiers are under orders to shoot only when their lives are threatened. The
youths had reportedly been throwing stones.

There were three shootings of Israeli motorists yesterday. A 35-year-old Jewish
settler was shot dead on the West Bank. A faction of Fatah claimed
responsibility. A second person was shot dead last night in a convoy of cars
approaching the Jewish settlement of Einav in the northern West Bank.

The violence was reflected in hostile verbal exchanges. Israel's Prime Minister,
Ariel Sharon has said a "cooling-off" period will not begin until the
Palestinian attacks have been brought to a complete halt.

Speaking during a trip to Jordan, Yasser Arafat accused Israel of breaking
international commitments and warned that the ceasefire deal would not last
unless Israel ended its blockade of the occupied territories and froze
settlement building.

Israel is sticking to what it calls a policy of "restraint", maintaining much of
its punitive siege, but using less excessive military measures than earlier in
the conflict. Yesterday, Mr Sharon reiterated this intention: "I am not willing
to accept calls ... saying I have to take this nation to war."

Two bombs were discovered and safely detonated inside Israel in the
Mediterranean city of Haifa yesterday. One bomb was attached to a motorcycle and
was set to be detonated by an attached cellular telephone, a police spokesman
said.

The events have placed Ariel Sharon under further pressure from the far-right to
launch a major military strike against the Palestinians, a move which he
publicly resisted.

"There are many things we must do ... but to take the people now to war, in my
view, is a mistake of the first order from every perspective," the Israeli Prime
Minister told members of his Likud party.
---------------------------------------------------
... and see also the Brussels story from the same link, which begins:-
------------------------------
Atrocity survivors ask Belgian court to indict Sharon
By Stephen Castle in Brussels
19 June 2001

Should Sharon be tried for war crimes? Have your say in Argument
Palestinian survivors of a massacre in Lebanon nearly 20 years ago asked a
Belgian court yesterday to indict the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, for
crimes against humanity over his role in the carnage.
[...]

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In the last week, two major news items broke in Europe and Israel -- a BBC
Panorama documentary broadcast on 17 June 2001 concluded that Israeli prime
minister Ariel Sharon was "indictable" for war crimes for his role in the Sabra
and Shatila massacres, and Belgian survivors of the massacres filed a case
against Sharon for war crimes. (This copied from poster Razii).

Can anyone point to these stories in a Canadian big city newspaper or on network
radio or TV?

If Canada's media have not given us this information about the Butcher of
Beirut, can anyone explain why - given the usual intensive coverage of the
Middle East? (Dare I state the obvious?)



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In article , "Joe" says...
>
>> Can anyone point to these stories in a Canadian big city newspaper or on
>network
>> radio or TV?
>
>The TORONTO STAR carried this story.

Thanks. I now have the Toronto Star on my Favorites list
http://www.thestar.com

--------------------------------------------------
Jun. 18, 2001. 11:33 AM
War crimes trial against Israeli PM begins 

Ariel Sharon's role in 1982 massacre is at issue 

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - Survivors of a 1982 massacre of Palestinians in Lebanon
opened legal proceedings today in Belgium against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon, arguing he was guilty of crimes against humanity for his role in the
killings.

The 28 survivors presented their case against Sharon and others alleged to have
been involved in the massacres to an investigating judge under Belgian laws that
permit that country's courts to try war crimes committed abroad.

The judge will now determine whether Sharon - who at the time was Israel's
defence minister - and the others should face charges in the massacre at the
Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps outside Beirut.

Hundreds of unarmed civilian Palestinians in the camps were slaughtered by a
Lebanese Christian militia allied to the Israelis while Israeli forces occupied
the area.

It followed the assassination of Lebanon's president-elect, Bashir Gemayel, a
pro-Israel Christian militia leader.

An Israeli inquiry into the massacre found Sharon was indirectly responsible for
the killings, and he had to resign as defence minister.

He has since made a political comeback and was elected prime minister last Feb.
6.

Belgian lawyer Michael Verhaeghe, who is representing the survivors, said there
was ''sufficient evidence'' to convict those responsible.

''The facts in this case undeniably reveal crimes against humanity,'' he told
reporters.

A 1993 Belgian law that gives local courts jurisdiction over violations of the
Geneva Convention on war crimes allows claimants to seek cases against
foreigners suspected of war crimes no matter where they occur.

In a first case to be tried under the law, four Rwandans were sentenced to
between 12 and 20 years in prison this month for their role in the 1994 genocide
of the country's Tutsi ethnic minority.

If the Belgian judge decides to press charges, Sharon could be arrested if he
enters Belgium. However, lawyers said as a serving head of state he would likely
enjoy immunity.

The plaintiffs said they could also press similar charges against Sharon in
other countries.

The move was praised Monday by Palestinians living in refugee camps. Author
Ra'afat Murra, who has written about the killings, said he supported the case
even though he doubted it would lead to charges.

''It is enough that this would make international noise, annoy Sharon and expose
him as the murderer and butcher that he really is,'' Murra said.

On Sunday, the British Broadcasting Corp. aired a report on the killings and
interviewed international law expert Richard Falk, a Princeton professor who was
vice-chairman of an international commission that investigated Israel's invasion
of Lebanon.

Falk said Sharon would be indictable on war crimes charges.

On Monday, Israel's Foreign Ministry called the BBC report ''distorted, unfair,
and intentionally hostile.''

''The timing of the program ... shows lack of good faith and an attempt to
tarnish Israel and its leader,'' Foreign Ministry spokesperson Yaffa Ben-Ari
said in a written statement.



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In article <3B337CE3.1E3CB0F1@nehotmailpas.com>, Rob says...
>
>True. But I also agree that it hasn't been given the attention that it
>deserves. Arafat is branded a terrorist every day. Sharon is a murderer
>and should receive the same kind of treatment...
>
>Joe wrote:
>> 
>> > Can anyone point to these stories in a Canadian big city newspaper or on
>> network
>> > radio or TV?
>> 
>> The TORONTO STAR carried this story.

The N.American anchors of the Jewish controlled print media are the New York
Times and Washington Post. Of course, they have been suppressing this story too.
Here is a posting I found on talk.politics.mideast
-------------------------------------------
Dear all:

Please make noise.  Circulate this call around, and
above all, drop a note to the NYTimes, even if one
line: letters@nytimes.com (and bcc us at:
pmw-letters@yahoogroups.com).

The NYTimes wants the world to believe that it is the
most respectable newspaper in the whole wide world,
and in fact it is able to behave in ways that fool the
world into believing them.  But there are instanaces
of censorship -- sometimes subtle, sometimes glaring
--that give insight into what the Times is really all
about.  The Times' decision to turn a blind eye to the
lawsuit in Belgium against Ariel Sharon is such an
instance.

And so, we need to make as much noise as possible
about it.  We do not get many chances to denounce
blatant censorship of the news: often, their
maneuvering is more subtle (but no less nefarious) --
and so we must seize the moment.

It has been now 18 days since the story on the lawsuit
against Ariel Sharon broke (June 4, 2001), and yet the
NYTimes has yet to make mention of it anywhere in the
news!  Not that the Times is not interested in stories
on war crimes: three stories in a row - June 6, 8 and
9 - focused on the Belgian case against the Rwandan
nuns, and today the Times came with a long story
titled: "Yugoslavia Expected to Pass Decree on War
Crimes". And yet, it insists on not mentioning the
lawsuit against Ariel Sharon!

Obviously, it appears that the fact a sitting Prime
Minister of America's closest ally -- a country that
receives $5 billion in financial and military aid --
is being taken to court for war crimes and crimes
against humanity is NOT newsworthy! At least that's
what the New York Times thinks.

The story of the lawsuit was mentioned briefly on June
18 on NPR, was prominently published on the
Philadelphia Inquirer on the 19, and even the
Washington Post found enough courage to put in
one-sentence mention by in an obscure corner of the
paper (also the 19th). But the New York Times has
decided that it is not newsworthy.

Many smaller papers, radio and television stations,
web sites, etc., highlight as news what the Times
considers as news. When the Times sweeps something
under the rug, it means that it is de facto not news.

Please impress upon the Times to publish a story on
the lawsuit and to take the lead on what is obviously
very newsworthy story.

Send your comments to:
          letters@nytimes.com

Make sure you bcc your letter to:
          pmw-lettersyahoogroups.com

If you want, you may save your letter dircetly to
PMWATCH's archives at:
          http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/letters

Yours,

Ahmed Bouzid
Palestine Media Watch
http://www.pmwatch.org
---------------------------------------------------
Massacre survivors seek trial of Sharon in Belgium

Andrew Osborn in Brussels and Suzanne Goldenberg in
Jerusalem
Tuesday June 19, 2001
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,509185,00.html


Twenty-eight survivors of the Sabra and Shatila
massacres in Beirut 19 years ago lodged an official
complaint against the Israeli prime minister, Ariel
Sharon, in Brussels yesterday, taking advantage of a
1993 law which allows Belgium to try foreign nationals
for war crimes committed abroad.
It could not have come at a more embarrassing time for
the Belgian government, which assumes the EU's
rotating presidency on July 1: it is likely to make it
far more difficult for Brussels to mediate between the
Israelis and the Palestinians, a crucial part of the
job.
The fact that Belgium is even considering the request
is certain to enrage Mr Sharon, whose aides reacted
with fury to a BBC Panorama documentary about the
massacre shown on Sunday, which considered whether he
could and should be tried for war crimes for his role
in the affair.
He was the defence minister responsible for sending
the Israeli army into Lebanon in 1983 and allowing the
Lebanese Christian Phalangists to run amok in the two
Palestinian refugee camps.
A Belgian judge will examine the 52-page testimony
presented by 28 Palestinians and Lebanese yesterday
and decide whether they have a strong enough case to
warrant trying Mr Sharon. But the judge is likely to
be pressed to drop the case for political reasons.
Acutely aware that its diplomatic relations could be
seriously damaged by its pioneering approach to war
crimes, Belgium has already said it wants to tighten
up the laws to make it more difficult to bring such
cases.
In Israel the anger against the BBC continued. A
foreign ministry statement said: "Israel views with
utmost gravity the distorted, unfair and intentionally
hostile nature of the Panorama programme."
Officials argue that the programme was timed to
deflect attention from Mr Sharon's efforts to maintain
the shaky truce with the Palestinians, which claimed
its sixth and seventh victims in less than a week
yesterday - two Jewish settlers shot dead in separate
incidents in the West Bank.
On Sunday a Palestinian boy of 9 was shot and killed
by Israeli soldiers in Khan Yunis, in the Gaza Strip.
Last night Israel asked the US to help organise urgent
talks with Palestinian security officials to discuss
the violence.


Sunday, 17 June, 2001, 21:56 GMT 22:56 UK BBC defends
Sharon documentary

An Israeli inquiry said Mr Sharon was indirectlyr
esponsibleThe BBC has rebuffed intense criticism from
the Israeli Government over a documentary that asks
whether Prime Minister Ariel Sharon could be charged
with war crimes.

The programme, broadcast in Britain on Sunday,
examined Israeli-allied militiamen's massacre in 1982
of hundreds of people in the Palestine refugee camps
of Sabra and Shatila.

The programme contained comments from international
legal expert Richard Falk, Professor ofInternational
Law at Princeton University, suggesting that Mr Sharon
could be indicted.

It also showed the prime minister's spokesman, Ranaan
Gissen, rejecting the notion as an insult and an
injustice.

Mr Sharon resigned from his post as defence minister
after a 1983 Israeli inquiry concluded that he had
failed to act to prevent the massacre.

'Anti-Semitism'

The BBC programme, titled "The Accused", part of the
investigative series Panorama, "looks at the question
of ultimate legal responsibility for the massacres,"
the BBC said in a statement.

"The programme asks whether the evidence from that
time would be sufficient to justify criminal charges."


In its statement the BBC said it stood by the story,
which it called "a legitimate analysis of a human
rights issue."

Gideon Meir, a spokesman for the Israeli Foreign
Ministry, told Israel army radio that the BBC's
reporting was sometimes slanted against Israel, and
"sometimes there is a shade of anti-Semitism".

Responding to claims of pro-Palestinian bias, Fergal
Keane, the BBC journalist who reported the piece,
said: "I have nothing but contempt."

"At Panorama we are simply being true to a basic
principle. It is a duty of journalists toquestion the
actions and record of those who wield power," he said.


Claims rejected

"The job of a reporter is to deal with the facts. And
the facts of Sabra and Shatila are deeply shocking."

He also repudiated claims by Mr Gissen, that the BBC
had tricked him into giving an interview for the
documentary.

"Contrary to inaccurate statements put out by some
Israeli officials, Mr Gissen was fully aware of the
subject when he gave the interview," he said.

"When the interview was over he left us on friendly
terms. In fact some days later his officials provided
us with a letter to help us transit easily through Ben
Gurion airport with our tapes."


Atrocity survivors ask Belgian court to indict
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=78936
Sharon

By Stephen Castle in Brussels

19 June 2001

Palestinian survivors of a massacre in Lebanon nearly
20 years ago
asked a Belgian court yesterday to indict the Israeli
Prime Minister, Ariel
Sharon, for crimes against humanity over his role in
the
carnage.

Taking advantage of Belgium's unusually broad laws on
war crimes, 28 of
those who survived the killings at the Sabra and
Chatila refugee camps
outside Beirut filed a legal complaint with an
investigating judge in
Brussels. He will probably take one month to decide
whether Mr Sharon
and others should face charges for involvement in the
murders.

In 1982 up to 2,000 unarmed Palestinians in the camps
were slaughtered
by a Lebanese Christian militia allied to the
Israelis. An Israeli inquiry
found Mr Sharon, who was then Defence Minister,
"indirectly responsible" and
he resigned.

Even if the case goes ahead, Mr Sharon would almost
certainly not be arrested
if he went to Belgium. But the attempt to purse a war
crimes case has already
caused a diplomatic incident, and the Israeli Foreign
Minister, Shimon Peres,
has told the Belgian government that none of his
fellow ministers will risk
visiting Brussels if the action proceeds.

That creates a headache for Belgium, which takes over
the European Union's
presidency at the end of the month and will be
expected to play a leading role
in Europe's efforts to help broker peace in the Middle
East.

One of the survivors, Souad Srour Al-Marai, gave
harrowing details of the
massacre, which took the lives of most of her family.
She said: "My little
sister, aged 18 months, raised her hand and asked her
mother to pick her up,
she was frightened. Then they started shooting at us.

"My little sister received a bullet in the head, my
father was hit in his
chest but was still alive. My brothers and sisters,
Chadi [3], Farid [8],
Bassam [11], Hajar [7], Chadia [18 months] [and] also
our neighbour were
all killed by the first bullets."

The woman then said she was raped in front of her
dying father and left
for dead.

The basis for the case lies in a law dating from 1993
that gives Belgian
courts jurisdiction over violations of the Geneva war
crimes convention no
matter where they happened, even if they involve no
Belgian nationals. Earlier
this month the legislation was used to convict two
nuns who played a role in the
genocide in Rwanda in 1994, fuelling a debate over the
whole process of war
crimes prosecutions.

The Belgian government, concerned at the prospect of
dozens of new cases from
around the world, and fearful of the political
implications, now wants to
amend the law.

Vincent Van Quickenborne, a Belgian senator who is
sponsoring the case, said
that "for Belgium as a state these facts cannot be
acceptable. We as a state
should indict people and try them to find out whether
they have committed
these acts."

Michael Verhaeghe, the lawyer who is representing the
survivors, said there
was "sufficient evidence" to convict those
responsible, adding that "the
facts in this case undeniably reveal crimes against
humanity".

Yesterday's legal action is the second against Mr
Sharon to be lodged in
Belgium, but it is thought to stand a greater chance
of leading to a trial.

The 1982 massacre unfolded over three days when Israel
allowed its Lebanese
Christian Phalangist militia allies into the refugee
camps. Mr Sharon had earlier
claimed that there were 2,000 "terrorists" in the
camps; Israel later claimed the
Phalange were sent into Sabra and Chatila to "mop up"
the armed guerrillas
supposedly still there after the Palestine Liberation
Organisation's withdrawal
>from Beirut the previous month.

The subsequent Israeli Kahan commission report stated
that Israeli troops
surrounding the camps knew what was happening.
Throughout the killings many of
the victims were stabbed and a large number of women
were murdered after being
gang-raped. Mr Sharon was in overall command of the
Israeli forces.

More than 400 of the dead were buried in a mass grave
just inside the entrance
to the camps. Hundreds of others were buried secretly
during the massacre,
many of them beneath Beirut golf course.

* Yesterday, we stated that an Israeli inquiry into
the 1982 massacre of Palestinan
civilians in Lebanon held Ariel Sharon responsible. We
have been asked to point
out that the inquiry found Mr Sharon to be
"indirectly" responsible.



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For those of you who don't (or don't want to believe) that Jews control ALL of
Canada's mass media, it must be difficult to explain why our media keep
"missing" significant stories about the Holy Land yet keep repeating trivia.

Elsewhere, we noted only the Toronto Star covering the development of war crime
charges against Ariel Sharon - lots about Serbia's former leader in all the
media, but only the TorStar on the Butcher of Beirut.

This morning CBC radio is still hammering away at stopping the violence. The
Butcher, it seems, is on his way to the US meet the financiers and arms
suppliers of his brutal regime. That's the story this morning with "the violence
must stop" message included. The context is never the violence of the
occupation. The Jews in our media are working the propaganda to try to return to
a relatively non-violent occupation so that the zionist action of taking
Palestine for the Jews might continue for another decade.

It seems that the Internet is weakening the influence of the mass media on us.
Here is a sample of the violence of the occupation that the media bosses will
not be exposing too much. I think it's from this Internet site
http://www.iap.org/
----------------------------------------------------

 Jewish terror continues unabated throughout Gaza, West Bank

Occupied Jerusalem: 23 June, 2001 (IAP Net) - In a flagrant violation of the
American-brokered cease-fire with the PA, the Israeli occupation army and Jewish
terrorists stepped up their campaign of terror against the civilian Palestinian
population in many parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Today's rampage started around 3:00 o'clock before dawn when Israeli army
bulldozers and tanks advanced on PA administered territory in Rafah at the
southern tip of the Gaza Strip, terrorizing the population and destroying
residential homes.

The Israeli occupation army gave the residents of nearly twenty houses at the
Barahmeh neighborhood 20 minutes to leave their homes after which the twenty
buildings were leveled to the ground.

The wholesale demolition of the Palestinians' homes was described as "a massacre
of buildings"  by local Palestinians.

"An army that storms civilian homes in the quiet hours before dawn and then
destroys their homes without any justification is not an army of soldiers but an
army of thugs and criminals.If something with this ugliness and brutality took
place any where in the world, it would be called a war crime, yet the world is
silent at Zionist Nazism," said Ahmad Burhum, who lost his home and olive
orchard to the advancing bulldozers.

The Israeli occupation army said the destruction of the homes before dawn was
necessary to widen a road in the area.

Following the destruction of the homes, Zionist troops killed 20-year-old
Muhanad Sweidan and injured three others near the Maghazi refugee camp.

 An Israeli spokesman alleged the youths were throwing stones at the  soldiers.

Meanwhile, heavily-armed Jewish terrorists continued to go on the rampage
throughout the West Bank, setting Palestinian fields on fire and  vandalizing
Palestinian property.

Palestinian sources described the arson campaign as phenomenal, pointing out
that thousands of acres of Palestinian olive orchards, fields of  almonds, and
wheat crops have been reduced to ashes due to settler fire.

The Israeli army, which guards the settlers against Palestinian resistance,
reportedly blocked Palestinian fire-fighters from putting off the fire.

In several cases, Israeli soldiers themselves set Arab fields on fire as
happened at villages in the Ramallah region.

Most of the arson and vandalism are perpetrated by messianic Jews who  believe
that Palestinians towns and villages should be burned down.



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In article , "stewacide" says...
>
>Not that I agree with targeting civilians, but what else do you want them to
>do? If I (or any freedom-loving Canadian) were opressed like the
>Palinistians in Isreal, it's hard to imigine sitting idely by without doing
>anything about it.

"Stewacide" writes of the "Palestinians in Israel" and in an earlier post of the
"treatment of Palestinians in Israel". I suspect "stewacide" in actually
referring to Palestinians in the occupied areas - a fundamental error (I
assume). Yes, Gentiles are treated poorly in Israel - especially the million or
so Arabs living there - but Israel's treatment of the Arabs in the West Bank and
Gaza reaches lower depths because of the underlying Zionist cult beliefs - "God
gave the land to the Jews".

On distinguishing between "the Jews" and "the Zionist perpetrators" I hope
readers are able to do so. We speak of "the Japanese" hunting whales or "the
French" winning the cup and we seem to get those generalizations handled OK.

The Jewish controlled media usually speak of "Israeli" army, settlers etc.. In
my view "Jewish" would be more accurate - as Gentiles are not allowed in most
army roles and definitely may not settle in occupied Palestine. (What if
Israel's government allowed Palestinian Israelis to move into all those empty
houses.)

The other element that causes me to use "Jews" is the collaborative effort of
Jews in Canada and the diaspora to assist with the occupation. Without the
Jewish dimension at work world wide I would not be posting about the media's
deception on these questions.

As long as I see the injustices perpetrated by Israel on the Palestinians I will
expose the secretive efforts of Jews anywhere who supporting them - until
posters writing something relevant persuade me otherwise.



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Recently I have been pointing to the glaring omissions of stories damaging to
Israel's image by our Jewish controlled media. On the other side of the coin,
with Sharon meeting Bush, the media are all over this non-event.

Today's _The National_ includes the story of Ariel Sharon visiting the USA -
don't expect the Journal to follow him to his meetings with Zion's leadership.
As far as I could see there was nothing new in this news, except that it was
another trip. Remember, that last week there was important news - that of the
Butcher of Beirut being indictable as a war criminal - and _The National_
ignored it. The Jewish media bosses would not want Canadians understanding
Sharon to be a criminal. But they do want to enhance his image ... and today
they do just that by showing him with the President of the United States.

The audio of _The National_ today gives generous exposure to Israel's punch
lines for us to uncritically soak up. There was, of course, no mention of the
violence of the occupation - nor that the violence is outside Israel's borders.
Here is a sampling of this gratuitous propaganda:-

SHARON: "Israel will not negotiate under fire and under terror"

SHARON: "Complete and full cessation of hostilities, violence, terror and
incitement"

To get closer to the truth about the goings-on in the Holy Land, I suggest
readers get alternate info via the Internet from less tightly gripped media,
like The Independent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/
--------------------------------------------------
Twenty years on, Sharon is up to no good
Robert Fisk in Beirut
27 June 2001
Internal links

Arafat must halt attacks, Israeli PM tells Bush
Ariel Sharon is telling the Americans some very old stories. The Palestinians
are involved in "international terrorism". The south of Lebanon is a "centre of
international terror". There are 2,000 long-range missiles in Lebanon.

This is what he's been telling his American friends in Washington. And it's
exactly what he told Ronald Reagan's administration in 1981 and early 1982.
Then, he was looking for a "green light" for a major military adventure. Is he
doing the same again today? Mr Sharon's first accusation was at the expense of
Lebanon. The Iranians, he announced two months ago, had shipped through Lebanese
airports 2,000 missiles that were capable of hitting central Israel.

But there are no such missiles in Lebanon. Beirut airport is one of the most
secure in the Middle East and not a single satellite picture has been produced
to support this nonsense. Then last week, Mr Sharon was telling the UN secretary
general, Kofi Annan, that the south of Lebanon has been "infiltrated by Iran"
and is a "centre of international terror". The Lebanese government, he
announced, would be held "responsible".

Which is even more perverse. For, despite several attacks in the past 12 months,
southern Lebanon is quieter now than it has been for 25 years. Israeli and
Lebanese casualties in the border area have been the lowest for a quarter of a
century. Not surprisingly ­ because they've been through this before ­ the
Lebanese are asking if the Israeli Prime Minister is preparing the ground for
another conflict. So are the Palestinians. And it's worth going back to the
record to recall how Mr Sharon, then Defence Minister in Menachem Begin's Likud
government, said almost exactly the same things about the same people 20 years
ago, before a bloodbath that ended in the camps of Sabra and Chatila.

In 1981, the UN had brokered a ceasefire between the Israelis and Palestinians
along the south Lebanese border. If there were no Palestinian rocket attacks on
Israel, there would be no Israeli air raids on Lebanon, not unlike the current
US-brokered truce. Then in 1982, Abu Nidal's anti-Arafat extremist group tried
to murder the Israeli ambassador to London. Mr Sharon blamed Yasser Arafat and
started bombing Beirut. The Palestinians fired back across the border and the
Israelis blamed the Palestinian leader for breaking the ceasefire. Sound
familiar? Then Israel invaded Lebanon. In Israel today, where many on the right
are urging the Israeli army to invade Palestinian towns and cities after the
wicked suicide-bombing in Tel Aviv, the same Mr Arafat is being accused by the
Defence Minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, of having "links" with the Saudi
militant Osama bin Laden. There is no more proof that Mr Arafat is connected to
Mr bin Laden than there was that he had "links" with Abu Nidal. In fact, Abu
Nidal hated Mr Arafat. And Mr bin Laden always opposed Mr Arafat's policies. But
with Mr bin Laden, and Iran, variously blamed by America for bombing attacks
against US embassies, military bases and a warship in Yemen, Mr Sharon is using
a formula calculated to have wide appeal to the Bush administration.

Back in 1982, he went to see Alexander Haig for a "green light" to invade
Lebanon. So the Arab press are asking if he is not now seeking a "green light"
for an offensive against the Palestinians from the US Defense Secretary, Donald
Rumsfeld. For it's also worth remembering just what the Israelis did when they
reached Beirut in 1982; they surrounded it with gunboats and tanks and bombed it
>from the air. Mr Sharon's men have already done the same, on a smaller scale,
against Gaza. The story of Gaza in 2001, complete blockade, attacks with F-16s
and gunboats and tanks, is exactly the same story as Beirut in 1982.

And, of course, it was Mr Sharon in 1982 who invented the 2,000 "terrorists" in
Sabra and Chatila ­ in reality packed with unarmed civilians ­ before sending
the Phalange into the camps. And we all know what happened then. Today, instead
of 2,000 fantasy "terrorists", he's invented 2,000 fantasy missiles and has been
telling the Americans the same rubbish about Arafat's "terror" links. In all
seriousness, the Los Angeles Times yester- day carried a headline that Mr Sharon
was "pitching retaliation" as a possible policy. Pitching? Policy?

If Mr Sharon is looking for a "green light", he may get it. 



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For those of you who don't (or don't want to believe) that Jews control ALL of
Canada's mass media, it must be difficult to explain why our media keep
"missing" significant stories about the Holy Land yet keep repeating trivia.

Elsewhere, we noted only the Toronto Star covering the development of war crime
charges against Ariel Sharon - lots about Serbia's former leader in all the
media, but only the TorStar on the Butcher of Beirut.

This morning CBC radio is still hammering away at stopping the violence. The
Butcher, it seems, is on his way to the US meet the financiers and arms
suppliers of his brutal regime. That's the story this morning with "the violence
must stop" message included. The context is never the violence of the
occupation. The Jews in our media are working the propaganda to try to return to
a relatively non-violent occupation so that the zionist action of taking
Palestine for the Jews might continue for another decade.

It seems that the Internet is weakening the influence of the mass media on us.
Here is a sample of the violence of the occupation that the media bosses will
not be exposing too much. I think it's from this Internet site
http://www.iap.org/
----------------------------------------------------

 Jewish terror continues unabated throughout Gaza, West Bank

Occupied Jerusalem: 23 June, 2001 (IAP Net) - In a flagrant violation of the
American-brokered cease-fire with the PA, the Israeli occupation army and Jewish
terrorists stepped up their campaign of terror against the civilian Palestinian
population in many parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Today's rampage started around 3:00 o'clock before dawn when Israeli army
bulldozers and tanks advanced on PA administered territory in Rafah at the
southern tip of the Gaza Strip, terrorizing the population and destroying
residential homes.

The Israeli occupation army gave the residents of nearly twenty houses at the
Barahmeh neighborhood 20 minutes to leave their homes after which the twenty
buildings were leveled to the ground.

The wholesale demolition of the Palestinians' homes was described as "a massacre
of buildings"  by local Palestinians.

"An army that storms civilian homes in the quiet hours before dawn and then
destroys their homes without any justification is not an army of soldiers but an
army of thugs and criminals.If something with this ugliness and brutality took
place any where in the world, it would be called a war crime, yet the world is
silent at Zionist Nazism," said Ahmad Burhum, who lost his home and olive
orchard to the advancing bulldozers.

The Israeli occupation army said the destruction of the homes before dawn was
necessary to widen a road in the area.

Following the destruction of the homes, Zionist troops killed 20-year-old
Muhanad Sweidan and injured three others near the Maghazi refugee camp.

 An Israeli spokesman alleged the youths were throwing stones at the  soldiers.

Meanwhile, heavily-armed Jewish terrorists continued to go on the rampage
throughout the West Bank, setting Palestinian fields on fire and  vandalizing
Palestinian property.

Palestinian sources described the arson campaign as phenomenal, pointing out
that thousands of acres of Palestinian olive orchards, fields of  almonds, and
wheat crops have been reduced to ashes due to settler fire.

The Israeli army, which guards the settlers against Palestinian resistance,
reportedly blocked Palestinian fire-fighters from putting off the fire.

In several cases, Israeli soldiers themselves set Arab fields on fire as
happened at villages in the Ramallah region.

Most of the arson and vandalism are perpetrated by messianic Jews who  believe
that Palestinians towns and villages should be burned down.

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In article , "stewacide" says...
>
>Not that I agree with targeting civilians, but what else do you want them to
>do? If I (or any freedom-loving Canadian) were opressed like the
>Palinistians in Isreal, it's hard to imigine sitting idely by without doing
>anything about it.

"Stewacide" writes of the "Palestinians in Israel" and in an earlier post of the
"treatment of Palestinians in Israel". I suspect "stewacide" in actually
referring to Palestinians in the occupied areas - a fundamental error (I
assume). Yes, Gentiles are treated poorly in Israel - especially the million or
so Arabs living there - but Israel's treatment of the Arabs in the West Bank and
Gaza reaches lower depths because of the underlying Zionist cult beliefs - "God
gave the land to the Jews".

On distinguishing between "the Jews" and "the Zionist perpetrators" I hope
readers are able to do so. We speak of "the Japanese" hunting whales or "the
French" winning the cup and we seem to get those generalizations handled OK.

The Jewish controlled media usually speak of "Israeli" army, settlers etc.. In
my view "Jewish" would be more accurate - as Gentiles are not allowed in most
army roles and definitely may not settle in occupied Palestine. (What if
Israel's government allowed Palestinian Israelis to move into all those empty
houses.)

The other element that causes me to use "Jews" is the collaborative effort of
Jews in Canada and the diaspora to assist with the occupation. Without the
Jewish dimension at work world wide I would not be posting about the media's
deception on these questions.

As long as I see the injustices perpetrated by Israel on the Palestinians I will
expose the secretive efforts of Jews anywhere who supporting them - until
posters writing something relevant persuade me otherwise.

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While the media in the West are filling their news programs with every detail of
the Milosovic indictment, they seem to have "missed" developments in bringing
the Butcher of Beirut to justice. Well, not really. As long as Jews control our
media they will spin tall tales of wicked Palestinians, gas chambers and Jewish
soap but leave out the stuff that spoils the images of Jews as victims.

Islamic Association of Palestine 
http://www.iap.org/
-------------------------------------------------------

Complaints against Sharon admissible says Brussels Public Prosecutor's Office


Brussels, June 30, 2001 (IAP News) - According to a report today in the Belgian
newspaper Lesoir, the Brussels Public Prosecutor's Office has ruled on Friday
that a complaint against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, accusing him of
crimes against humanity and genocide during the 1982 Sabra and Shatila Masscres,
is admissible.

This ruling will now pave the way  for a magistrate to launch an investigation
into events surrounding the massacre.

On Monday June 18, the case was filed before an investigating judge (Madame le
juge d'instruction Sophie Huguet), in Brussels, Belgium on behalf of of 28
plaintiffs and witnesses, all survivors of the Sabra/Shatila massacres. The
plaintiffs are represented by three lawyers: Luc Walleyn, Michael Verhaeghe, and
Chibli Mallat.

Current Belgian law allows courts to prosecute foreign officials for human
rights violations committed outside Belgium.

Sharon was Israeli Defense Minister during the time of the massacre, and under
his command allowed fully armed Israeli-backed Christian Phalangist militiamen,
who were known to be hostile towards Palestinians in the first place, to enter
the refugee camps, and  it was then the massacre occurred.

Chibli Mallat, one of the Lebanese lawyer representing the survivors of the
massacre, was very pleased with Friday's ruling and stated that "It is an
important day for the victims of Sabra and Shatila. We trust that justice will
take its course to the full, despite the rumours of attempts to change the law
ad hominem."

In a related development, on Wednesday, Lebanese lawyer May Khansa also filed a
lawsuit in Lebanon against Ariel Sharon for the Sabra and Shatila massacre.
Khansa stated that the Lebanese judiciary had the authority to try Sharon
because the killings took place on Lebanse soil, and that Sharon's crimes were
not subject to any statute of limitations due to the fact that Lebanon is still
being exposed to Israeli aggression.

In filing her suit, Khansa submitted a list of 24 witnesses, both Lebanese and
Palestinian, who sustained total or partial damages due to the atrocities.



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In article <0qstjtsfsijbr4ccuemdjpp4o8ckiu5jkd@4ax.com>, Joel says...
>
>Actually, it's Catholic Conrad Black and Rupert Murdoch who, although
>not Catholic is a Papal knight who are trying to supress calls for the
>war crimes trials of the leaders of the Catholic militias who ACTUALLY
>did the massacre.

Conrad Black: Early in his rags to riches career correctly recognized that he
could not go anywhere with media ownership unless he went along with the Jews.
That means putting them in *editorial* control. This is the case with the
Hollinger/Southam papers. See the list of mainly Jewish directors of the
Hollinger board at http://www.hollinger.com/mgmt/index.htm

On that list you will see the name of the Jew, Henry Kissinger, who did much to
help the Jews expand into Palestine when he had foreign policy power in the US
administration. I read an article somewhere (not in a Hollinger/Southam paper)
just this week to the effect that Kissinger should himself be put on trial for
his support of those who are presently under indictment. Kissinger is known to
associate with Zionists - that is those who believe God gave Palestine to the
Chosen Ones.

Conrad Black's former and current wives are Jewesses. So much for the attempt to
distance Black from the Jews.

Rupert Murdoch's mother was a Jewess. Using the racial definition, that makes
Murdoch a Jew. So much for the attempt to distance Murdoch from the Jews.

>
>I don't believe most of the above but I think it makes more sense than
>your bullshit.
>
>By the way, Black, besides owning the London Telegraph, the Chicago
>Sun-Times and a large per centage of Canadian media also owns the
>leading Israeli English-language newspaper, the Jerusalem Post, and
>moved its politics way to the right of where it had been.

Hollinger sold many Canadian media properties to Israel Asper's CanWest Global
Communications Corp - including
------------------
 ** a 50% interest in the National Post, with the Company
    continuing as managing partner; 
 ** the metropolitan and a large number of the community
    newspapers in Canada (including the Ottawa Citizen,
    The Vancouver Sun, The Province (Vancouver), the
    Calgary Herald, the Edmonton Journal, The Gazette (Montreal),
    The Windsor Star, the Regina Leader Post, the Star Phoenix
    and the Times-Colonist (Victoria)); and 
 ** the operating Canadian Internet properties including canada.com. 
Source: http://www.hollinger.com/profile/index.htm
------------------
Need I state that Israel Asper is a Jew and has not dismissed the Jewish editors
of the acquired newspapers. Therefore, the issue of the Butcher of Beirut being
tried for war crimes is being "overlooked".



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While the media in the West are filling their news programs with every detail of
the Milosovic indictment, they seem to have "missed" developments in bringing
the Butcher of Beirut to justice. Well, not really. As long as Jews control our
media they will spin tall tales of wicked Palestinians, gas chambers and Jewish
soap but leave out the stuff that spoils the images of Jews as victims.

Islamic Association of Palestine 
http://www.iap.org/
-------------------------------------------------------

Complaints against Sharon admissible says Brussels Public Prosecutor's Office


Brussels, June 30, 2001 (IAP News) - According to a report today in the Belgian
newspaper Lesoir, the Brussels Public Prosecutor's Office has ruled on Friday
that a complaint against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, accusing him of
crimes against humanity and genocide during the 1982 Sabra and Shatila Masscres,
is admissible.

This ruling will now pave the way  for a magistrate to launch an investigation
into events surrounding the massacre.

On Monday June 18, the case was filed before an investigating judge (Madame le
juge d'instruction Sophie Huguet), in Brussels, Belgium on behalf of of 28
plaintiffs and witnesses, all survivors of the Sabra/Shatila massacres. The
plaintiffs are represented by three lawyers: Luc Walleyn, Michael Verhaeghe, and
Chibli Mallat.

Current Belgian law allows courts to prosecute foreign officials for human
rights violations committed outside Belgium.

Sharon was Israeli Defense Minister during the time of the massacre, and under
his command allowed fully armed Israeli-backed Christian Phalangist militiamen,
who were known to be hostile towards Palestinians in the first place, to enter
the refugee camps, and  it was then the massacre occurred.

Chibli Mallat, one of the Lebanese lawyer representing the survivors of the
massacre, was very pleased with Friday's ruling and stated that "It is an
important day for the victims of Sabra and Shatila. We trust that justice will
take its course to the full, despite the rumours of attempts to change the law
ad hominem."

In a related development, on Wednesday, Lebanese lawyer May Khansa also filed a
lawsuit in Lebanon against Ariel Sharon for the Sabra and Shatila massacre.
Khansa stated that the Lebanese judiciary had the authority to try Sharon
because the killings took place on Lebanse soil, and that Sharon's crimes were
not subject to any statute of limitations due to the fact that Lebanon is still
being exposed to Israeli aggression.

In filing her suit, Khansa submitted a list of 24 witnesses, both Lebanese and
Palestinian, who sustained total or partial damages due to the atrocities.

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In article <0qstjtsfsijbr4ccuemdjpp4o8ckiu5jkd@4ax.com>, Joel says...
>
>Actually, it's Catholic Conrad Black and Rupert Murdoch who, although
>not Catholic is a Papal knight who are trying to supress calls for the
>war crimes trials of the leaders of the Catholic militias who ACTUALLY
>did the massacre.

Conrad Black: Early in his rags to riches career correctly recognized that he
could not go anywhere with media ownership unless he went along with the Jews.
That means putting them in *editorial* control. This is the case with the
Hollinger/Southam papers. See the list of mainly Jewish directors of the
Hollinger board at http://www.hollinger.com/mgmt/index.htm

On that list you will see the name of the Jew, Henry Kissinger, who did much to
help the Jews expand into Palestine when he had foreign policy power in the US
administration. I read an article somewhere (not in a Hollinger/Southam paper)
just this week to the effect that Kissinger should himself be put on trial for
his support of those who are presently under indictment. Kissinger is known to
associate with Zionists - that is those who believe God gave Palestine to the
Chosen Ones.

Conrad Black's former and current wives are Jewesses. So much for the attempt to
distance Black from the Jews.

Rupert Murdoch's mother was a Jewess. Using the racial definition, that makes
Murdoch a Jew. So much for the attempt to distance Murdoch from the Jews.

>
>I don't believe most of the above but I think it makes more sense than
>your bullshit.
>
>By the way, Black, besides owning the London Telegraph, the Chicago
>Sun-Times and a large per centage of Canadian media also owns the
>leading Israeli English-language newspaper, the Jerusalem Post, and
>moved its politics way to the right of where it had been.

Hollinger sold many Canadian media properties to Israel Asper's CanWest Global
Communications Corp - including
------------------
 ** a 50% interest in the National Post, with the Company
    continuing as managing partner; 
 ** the metropolitan and a large number of the community
    newspapers in Canada (including the Ottawa Citizen,
    The Vancouver Sun, The Province (Vancouver), the
    Calgary Herald, the Edmonton Journal, The Gazette (Montreal),
    The Windsor Star, the Regina Leader Post, the Star Phoenix
    and the Times-Colonist (Victoria)); and 
 ** the operating Canadian Internet properties including canada.com. 
Source: http://www.hollinger.com/profile/index.htm
------------------
Need I state that Israel Asper is a Jew and has not dismissed the Jewish editors
of the acquired newspapers. Therefore, the issue of the Butcher of Beirut being
tried for war crimes is being "overlooked".

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In article <9ib5nn01iru@drn.newsguy.com>, More says...
>
>Canada's CBC is firmly under Jewish control. These media bosses spin favourably
>for Israel to deceive those who fund the corporation. No Canadia broadcaster has
>yet reported on Sharon's legal problems in Belgium. Instead, they are reporting
>on him in the company of world leaders.
>
>For a far fairer view of the situation in the Middle East, check out the Jordan
>Times. http://www.jordantimes.com/
>
>Here, from Sunday's paper, is a report on another problem for the Butcher that
>our Jewish controlled media are "overlooking".
>--------------------------------------------------
>Lebanese court prepares to try Sharon, Peres    
>    
>BEIRUT (AFP) — Beirut's military court will take evidence from 24 witnesses
>cited in a case brought against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign
>Minister Shimon Peres over the 1982 massacres at Palestinian refugee camps, a
>judicial source said.
>Most of the witnesses are survivors of the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila
>camps in Beirut which were carried out by Christian militia after Israeli troops
>invaded the capital when Sharon was defence minister.
>
>The case has been brought by lawyer May Khansa, who is close to the Lebanese
>Shiite Hizbollah resistance movement, against “butcher” Sharon and Peres,
>alleging 73 “crimes” against Lebanon since Israel was founded in 1948.
>
>Other alleged offences include the kidnapping of Lebanese resistance leaders
>Abdul Karim Obeid and Mustapha Dirani, who are still being held in Israel, the
>assassination of Hizbollah Secretary General Abbas Mussawi in 1992 and shelling
>which killed 105 Lebanese at Cana, southern Lebanon.
>
>The judicial source said the government report on the Sabra and Shatila
>massacres, in which between 800 and 2,000 people died, was destroyed by fire
>during the Lebanese civil war which ended in 1990.
>
>Citing the results of an inquiry carried out by Judge Assaad Diab, now social
>affairs minister, it quoted no witnesses but gave a detailed description of the
>scene after the massacres.
>
>A copy of the report was also given to then- President Amine Gemayel, who said
>it had been destroyed in the looting and arson of a foundation which he headed.
>
>The Israeli Kahana commission of inquiry in 1983 found Sharon indirectly
>responsible for the killings, prompting the former general's resignation as
>defence minister and years in the political wilderness before his election as
>prime minister in February.
>
>Belgian prosecutors have requested that a war crimes case, based on class action
>suits filed against Sharon by an ad hoc Arab group and by survivors of the 1982
>massacres be considered admissible.
>
>A former militia official, Elias Hobeika, implicated in the massacres, said
>Thursday he was ready to testify in Brussels. “For 19 years now, I have been
>carrying the weight of this accusation without having had the opportunity to
>prove my innocence,” he said.
> 
>



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Doug Collins - Now a Banned Writer
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Doug Collins used to draw a large readership for Vancouver's _North Shore News_.
Then he wrote the unwritable. He questioned the "Holocaust". Canadian Jewish
organizations went after him repeatedly. His former paper is now under the
control of Israel Asper, head of Canada's leading media empire (or should I
write, head of Israel's leading media empire operating in Canada)- and now he is
formally banned from publishing his columns. But there is the internet.

>From the site of another banned writer here is one of Doug's columns.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Collins/140701.html
==================================================================
No doubt about it, World War Two is the longest-running movie ever..
 
THE COLLINS COLUMN, July 13, 2001 

A JOG AROUND ABSURDISTAN 

by Doug Collins

IS our New World funny or is it foolish? It is both. Consider, for instance,
that the grinning former prime minister [of Canada] Joe Clark headed a gay pride
march in Calgary to the cheers of the media multitudes; and that in Saskatchewan
a newspaper could be fined by our demoniac human rights system for quoting the
Bible. Where is God when we need him? Consider, too, that Time magazine named
Albert Einstein The Man of The Century when, obviously, it should have been
Adolf Hitler.

Has that got your interest? I thought so. But there is method in my madness.
Albert made the news far less than Adolf, and Adolf is still making it. There is
such a media fascination with him that one might think he was still alive, just
like Elvis Presley.

It was an advertisement in The Sunday Telegram titled The Third Reich in Colour
that started me on these musings.

Some of it read like a boost for the Nuremberg Rallies. There was a nice picture
of the Führer, and readers were told that for a modest sum (£19.99) they could
get over three hours of "unique colour footage, much of it never seen before,
including private film taken by Hitler's own pilot, plus home movies shot be
Hitler's mistress, Eva Braun, the Goebbels family, and combat film hidden for
almost sixty years". Gosh!

Not to mention Gripping sequences of the Luftwaffe and German Navy in action and
chilling film evidence (naturally) of the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis.

In the same issue there was half a page headed, "German police took part in war
crimes, historians claim," while in another there was a long review of yet
another Auschwitz memoir: "Love and loss out of Auschwitz."
No doubt about it, World War Two is the longest-running movie ever.

I used to call our local Jewish newspaper The Holocaust and War News Times. But
now the all the media are into the act. It's what Norman Mailer called the
feeding of the goat.

Not to be omitted from this album of the absurd is that people (if men are still
people) can be fined and jailed for alleged sex offences that took place thirty
and even forty years ago, and that a minister in the government of British
Columbia -- Robin Blencoe -- could face financial ruin and expulsion from the
League of the Respectable for kissing girls in in the office. The Puritans are
in power, the Cavaliers having all been sent to the plantations.

It gets better. I read in The Report magazine that a 14-year-old boy in Alberta
was suspended and ordered to undergo a mental health assessment and
investigation by the RCMP. His offence? He had written down the names of twelve
teachers and students who were upsetting him. In Nova Scotia another kid aged
eight was suspended for a day for having pointed a chicken strip at a classmate
and saying "Bang!"

You have to get 'em young if political correctness is to succeed. And boys are
now out of fashion unless they show signs of being strange.

Meanwhile, back at the Ottawa ranch, terrorists are welcome if they face
punishment for having been or still being terrorists. So are common or garden
murderers. But a Blencoe kissing a girl in the office against her professed will
is a more serious matter. Logically, the more kissers we can kiss off the
better. Provided they are girl-kissers, that is. Men who kiss men are needed for
gay pride days.

Not that these wonders of the New Age are confined to Canada. In the Disunited
Kingdom, Bomber Blair has let dozens of IRA killers out of jail -- including
those who killed Lord Mountbatten (left) - in return for terrorist promises to
hand in their guns.

No guns have been handed in, but the IRA chaps are out there laughing.

Every bit as funny is that Slobodan Milosevic has been handed over to the war
crimes court in The Hague. In return for a fee, of course. For doing so, the new
Serb government will receive $1.9 billion to repair the damage done by Bomber
Blair's and Billy Clinton's air forces during Balkan dustup. Oh well, one good
turn deserves another, and nobody's perfect. Just ask The Sunday Telegraph.

Also in the U.K, a greengrocer has been prosecuted for selling a pound of
bananas, when he should have called it .453 of a kilo. As the judge in the case
stated, Britain surrendered to the primacy of European law when it joined the
European Union in 1972.

Which prompts me to ask: why did Nelson, Wellington, Montgomery, and others
fight against taking orders from France and Germany? Especially when Adolf and
his works are now so popular.
===============================================
Other columns by Doug Collins may be found at
http://www.freedomsite.org/colum/index.html



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From: Kanuk 
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Another article from the Freedom Site giving a view not permitted in Canada's
controlled mass media.

(Samples of issues rammed down our throats near daily but not permitted for free
discussion in the mass media:-
1) The occupation of Palestine,
2) The so-called "Holocaust".
3) The justification for the missile defense system.
... all three topics carefully controlled by the media bosses.)

http://www.freedomsite.org/colum/index.html

ON PALESTINE
 
"Pelo" 
 
1 - Freedom Fighters?

There's no such thing as a Palestinian terrorist! If partisans in Europe had a
right to resist the Nazi occupation of their lands, haven't Palestinians an
equal right to resist Zionist occupation of theirs?

In Yitzakh Shamir's self-serving autobiography, a chapter dealing with the
activities of his own terrorists is titled _Freedom Fighters_. How can that name
be applied to foreign thugs who killed scores of people in blowing up the King
David Hotel, who murdered 123 British police officers and a Swedish peacekeeper,
who tried to _make a pact with Hitler_ to help him drive the British out of
Palestine? Those Eastern European thugs were pushing into a country which did
not belong to them and never had, wheras the Palestinians are only trying to
recover their own.

Anyone able to see through the fog of Zionist propaganda must know which of
these two groups has a right to Shamir's title.

2 - WHO STARTED THIS?

Amid all the viciously one-sided propaganda today about "Palestinian
terrorists", has everyone forgotten that these people have a perfect right to
resist the _illegal_ occupation of their lands? U.N. Resolution 142 still
stands, calling upon Israel to end that occupation. Every government in the Free
World - even the American, which under Bush was less captive to the Jewish Lobby
than Clinton is - urged Shamir to stop expanding Jewish settlements there. Who
hears anything about that today? Instead, the U.S.A. is now supporting Israel in
turning back the clock to those conditions which produced the Intifada a decade
ago!

How did this come about? Readers of Viktor Ostrovsky's courageous expose of the
Mossad will already know the answer - that Zionist hardliners hate the peace
process and will do anything to derail it. Why else, when harnas has been quiet
for months, would Shin Bet choose to stage their high-profile assassination of
"the Engineer"? Because they knew that Hamas was bound to retaliate. The rest
follows. A _Globe and Mail_ article confirms: "The pause in bombings was to end
the wake of two dramatic assassinations of Islamic terrorist leaders. Smiling
Israeli officials pointedly did not deny responsibility."

Of course they were smiling! They've got what they wanted. Who could blame those
formerly-moderate Palestinians who now conclude that justice for their people
can come only through the destruction of Israel?

3 - THE PRESS ON PALESTINE

An apologist for Israel writes to the Calgary Herald that Palestinian conflict
is "based on the fact that Arabs did not want to live with Jews." That's not
what leading Zionists have said! Joseph Weitz, for example, heading Jewish
colonization in 1940:- "Between ourselves, it must be clear that the only
solution is a Palestine without arabs. Not one village, not one tribe should be
left." Can anyone doubt that this remains the opinion of Judeo-Nazis like Arel
Sharon?

As for the Press in general, Zionists all too often are allowed to lie their
heads off while those of us wanting to tell the truth cannot get a word in!
What's particularly sickening is the Zionists' endless promotion of "Jewish
anguish" over the Nazi holocaust while never mentioning the 50-year anguish of
the Palestinians.

When will those people realize that they do not have the exclusive franchise on
suffering?
 



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From: Kanuk 
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Generally, Canada's Jewish media bosses continue to keep us in the dark about
the prosecution of Ariel Sharon for war crimes. The only medium I know of
reporting this is the Toronto Star. Yet, in Israel, the population are well
informed - a fairly typical situation. See Jerusalem Post article below.

CBC radio had space this morning to tell us about the Maccabiah games, even
though it seems of little relevance to Canadian ... Heh! Aren't there some
Francophone games going on at the moment with teams from Canada, Quebec and New
Brunswick?

Also this morning CBC found time to tell us that "Katharine Graham is in
critical condition after surgery that followed a fall". Who the hell is
Katharine Graham? She's the American owner of the Washington Post. Why should
Canadians care? They don't. So why do the Jewish boy editing CBC's news include
it? (Hint: Guess who owns the media in the USA.)

The Jerusalem Post 17July2001
http://www.jpost.com/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Israeli-Palestinian team to help prosecution of Belgian war crimes case
By Tovah Lazaroff

JERUSALEM (July 17) - A new Israeli-Palestinian coalition will help Belgian
attorneys prosecuting those responsible for the 1982 Sabra and Shatilla
massacre, in which at least 700 Palestinian refugees died.

It is important for Israelis to be involved in the case, Israeli human-rights
attorney Lea Tsemel said at a Jerusalem press conference yesterday. She has
joined the coalition being formed by LAW, the Palestinian Society for the
Protection of Human Rights and the Environment.

In 1950, Israel was one of the first countries to adopt a law against genocide
and push for international accountability, Tsemel noted. In light of the ongoing
violence, she continued, it is important for Israelis to remember that, under
international standards they helped create, they too can be held accountable for
their actions.

Israeli participation is important for the massacre victims, explained Belgian
attorney Luc Walleyn, who is working on the case at the behest of a group of
petitioners, among them survivors. "It's a signal that the case can be seen not
as a conflict between people but as an issue of justice," Walleyn said.

The investigation has been viewed as an attack on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,
who was defense minister in 1982. But Walleyn said that everyone involved is
being investigated, including Sharon, IDF soldiers, and Lebanese Phalange
militiamen.

"This is not a case against one person. It is a case against one crime. It is
not just against Sharon, but it is the case that he bears some responsibility
for," Walleyn said. Everyone involved can be questioned and indicted, he added.

Asked as to the projected schedule of the proceedings, Walleyn noted that an
investigation into Rwandan war crimes was launched in 1995 and ended in 1999,
with the ensuing trial concluding only last month.

The Sabra and Shatilla lawsuit was filed thanks to a 1993 law allowing Belgian
courts to prosecute foreigners for human-rights violations, including genocide,
committed outside Belgium. An amendment pending in the Belgian parliament would
grant incumbent leaders immunity until their terms in office ends.

The Kahn Commission investigation in the 1980s blamed the Phalangists for the
massacre, but said Sharon bore some responsibility for allowing them to enter
the camps.

Walleyn said many of the survivors still live in Sabra and Shatilla, and bear
the scars of what happened 19 years ago.

Survivor Nawal Saed, 39, recalled how on September 16, 1982 her mother left the
house in search of food for the family. When she had not returned by the next
morning, Saed's father looked for her, only to learn that she had been killed.

Saed searched for her body with him. "We saw lots and lots of dead people lying
under demolished houses," Saed told the press conference yesterday. Rumor had it
that the bodies were rigged with explosive set to go off when people searched
for lost relatives, she added.

Saed found her mother in the front yard of a house. "She was shot in the chest.
It looked like she had been punched in the face," she said.

A Swedish nurse, Louise Norman, who worked in a hospital in the camps, described
how during the massacre flares turned the night into day. "There's no chance
[Israel's] army didn't know," Norman said.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: CBC Justifies Israel's Violence
Date: 17 Jul 2001 22:37:50 -0700
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On a consistent basis, the Jewish boys at CBC present to us the violence
perpetrated by Israel as justified and conceal any justification from the other
side.

In the last couple of days Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for blowing up
two Jewish soldiers in Israel. Their main message in that fax was that the
soldiers were killed in retaliation for Israel's soldiers killing 30
Palestinians since the so-called cease fire began. CBC blacked out Jihad's
motivation. But when Israel retaliated, CBC presented the message of the Jewish
government as they would have it.

On Tuesday evening's _World at Six_, our Jewish editors laced the entire report
with words suggesting Israel's killing of four Palestinians was a justified
response. They used the following phrases ... all adding up to leave us with the
sense of justification:-

"Within hours of last night's suicide bombing there was a promise of immediate
retaliation"

"There will be a quick reaction response ..." [Raanan Gissan, Spokesman for he
"Butcher"]

"The Israeli military responded with tanks ..."

"Israel defended the assassinations saying ..."

"Dore Gold [another spokesman for the "Butcher"] says any other country would do
exactly the same thing."

"If three Palestinaians in a car are going to bomb a city ..." [Dore Gold].

Then CBC moved on to another frequently used theme of deception - obfuscating
the line between Israel and Palestine. Quote:-

".. Palestinians fired a mortar shell into a neighbourhood of a disputed part of
Jerusalem. ... it's the first time a mortar has been fired at Jerusalem since
...".

The Guardian reports much more truthfully:-
"But within an hour of the attack, Palestinian militants fired a mortar round on
the Jewish settlement of Gilo, nestled between Jerusalem and Bethlehem."

BBC World TV showed a map of the Holy City area clearly delineating the West
Bank ... and there to the south of occupied Jerusalem it showed Gilo, in the
West Bank.

Note that CBC now refers to Gilo as a "disputed" area. The United Nations is
very clear that Gilo is under military occupation and that the both the Jewish
colonists and Jewish military should get out. It's obvious who CBC's editors are
spinning for - world's opinion not-with-standing.

In my view, Canada's Palestinians, Muslems and Arabs should mount a legal
challenge to CBC's slanted pro-Israel reporting and deny the Jews our public
broadcaster as a propaganda tool. If only they had 10% of the organization of
the Jews.



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In article <9j248g$2jbk$1@news.louisville.edu>, "Geoff says...
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>> Also this morning CBC found time to tell us that "Katharine Graham is in
>> critical condition after surgery that followed a fall". Who the hell is
>> Katharine Graham? She's the American owner of the Washington Post. Why should
>> Canadians care?
>
>I wonder how you can presume to know what Canadians care about? Or have the gall
>to presume to speak
>on their behalf.
>
>Geoff Ghitter

I presented no presumption that I knew whether Canadians care about a US media
baroness being hospitalized. I placed question marks at the end of each
sentence. So far, no one has said why she has any relevance on Canada's main
news casts.

Subsequent to her death, the eulogies stress that she headed the empire during
the Watergate and Pentagon Papers stories. Presumably, her "achievement' was
that she chose not to squash these significant events. She has, however,
suppressed a lot of news - for which she must be condemned.

For instance, when the Jewish lobby was pushing the reluctant masses to support
the war against Israel's main enemy, Iraq, she let the lie about the Iraqi
soldiers unplugging baby incubators continue for weeks. She knew the truth and
went along with the establishment. She could have allowed that hoax to be
exposed.

And currently, she has her editors conceal from the American public news of the
legal troubles of the Butcher of Beirut.

Is this the real reason Robert Rabinovich's Jewish boys at CBC Toronto sing her
praises? [Note the question mark.]



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From: Kanuk 
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In article , "tim says...
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>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
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>Put up or shut up bigotboy.  Name those "Jewish boys" at the CBC.  Don't
>worry, I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to do so given your utter
>failure to do so in the past.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

Perhaps I'm making this too complicated for posters like the above to
understand.

When Islamic Jihad blew up two Jewish soldiers in Israel they issued a fax
saying it was because Jewish soldiers had killed 30 Palestinians inside 
Palestine since the cease fire was signed. Robert Rabinovich's Jewish boys in
the CBC refused to tell us about Jihad's motive.

When the Jewish military went back into Palestine and killed numbers 31 thru 34
in Bethlehem, CBC loaded their reporting with the Sharon government's stated
motives.

Typically the double standard required for deception.



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Subject: Re: CBC Justifies Israel's Violence
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In article , "tim says...
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>No, you're dodging the question, as usual.  You have claimed time and again
>that CBC is dominated by Jews.  Yet you never produce a list of these
>supposed Jews.  Of course you also make the dubious assumption of assuming
>that all Jews are clones who think exactly alike.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

The President of the CBC is the Jew, Robert Rabinovich. He was appointed by
Chretien to keep the powerful Jewish lobby off his back. For the names of
Rabinovich's boys, please do your own research.

American Dissident Voices is just that ... voices of dissent in America. On a
few radio stations and via the Internet they frequently deal with the dangers of
Jewish media control. This week's broadcast, "The Jews are our Misfortune",
concentrates on the topic of media control.

Listen in or read the text at http://www.natall.com/index.html

Any comment on the *CONTENT* of the broadcast?



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: CBC Justifies Israel's Violence
Date: 22 Jul 2001 10:11:20 -0700
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In article <3B57DFE2.81CF2E5B@espmail.com>, Le says...
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>7h3_Fr13nd1y_P0rn06raph3r@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:
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>> In can.general Le Mod Pol  wrote:
>> 
>> > Surely you are not afraid of retaliation.
>> 
>> Why wouldn't he?  There's a long history of people who criticise Israel
>> suffer both harassment and abuse, sometimes physical.
>> 
> -Prove it~~ I dare you!-

A few victims:

Pat Buchanan
David Irving  http://www.fpp.co.uk/online
Ernst Zundel  http://www.zundelsite.org/
John Sack  http://www.johnsack.com
Fred Leuchter
Bradley Smith  http://www.codoh.org/
Robert Faurisson
Germar Rudolph  http://www.vho.org/
Jurge Graf  http://www.ety.com/tell
Mark Weber  http://www.ihr.org/index.html
Frederick Toben  http://www.adelaideinstitute.org
Jorg Heider

That should do for starters.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: Story Still Censored by Jews in Canada
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In article , "tim says...
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>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9j06ql0h74@drn.newsguy.com...
>Same old blah, blah, blah.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

Here's some more "old blah, blah, blah". This story remains blacked out by our
Jewish media manipulators.

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Sharon has no immunity in 1982 massacre - lawyer By Mona Megalli

CAIRO, July 20 (Reuters) - A lawyer representing the survivors of a bloody 1982
Beirut massacre warned Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Friday he could
not escape the long arm of international law.

"There is a special competence for the Hague court in the matter of (Slobodan)
Milosevic, but even without a competence for a specific court, the material law
is the same (for the Sharon case) and has existed since the Second World War,"
Belgian lawyer Luc Walleyn told reporters, referring to the ousted Yugoslav
leader awaiting trial on war crime charges.

Walleyn, flanked by a survivor of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps killings,
told a news conference that Sharon did not enjoy immunity as a politician
against prosecution.

Walleyn, who was in Egypt attending a human rights conference, said the Belgian
government had resisted pressure from the Israeli government to amend Belgian
law and give Sharon immunity.

The government on Wednesday referred the immunity issue to parliament,
effectively delaying consideration until 2002, he said.

Walleyn and two other lawyers represent a group of 23 Palestinian and Lebanese
plaintiffs who filed a complaint against Sharon on June 18, accusing him of
crimes against humanity and genocide during Israel's invasion Lebanon in 1982.

A Sharon lawyer has dismissed the charges as a political stunt. "Our initiative
is not some kind of political stunt just to stress that such crimes happen, but
we think we have a legal framework and a factual case that should authorise the
Belgian court to succeed with this investigation and to succeed with indictments
and, we hope also, trials and convictions against those responsible for that
crime," Walleyn said.

SURVIVOR TEARFUL
Palestinian survivor Mohamed Abu Rudaina said he had been sceptical of
assurances that he had a right to sue Sharon and others in the case.

Abu Rudaina, occasionally tearful, recounted his last moments with his father
before being marched away with other women and children to a sports complex for
interrogation as Christian Lebanese militiamen swept through the camps' narrow
streets, killing his father and other family members.

"Sharon claims he did not know what happened inside the camps. How could he say
that when his officers surrounded it...did he think those people who entered the
camps wanted a handshake?" said Abu Rudaina, who was six at the time of the
killings.

In 1983, an Israeli state inquiry found Sharon, then defence minister,
indirectly responsible for the killing of hundreds of men, women and children by
Christian militiamen in the Beirut camps that were encircled by Israeli troops.

Walleyn said there was clear evidence of cooperation between Israeli troops and
their Lebanese allies in the 1982 massacre. He said he hoped evidence held so
far by the Israeli and Lebanese governments would be given to Belgian
investigators.

The file is in the hands of a Brussels examining magistrate who will determine
whether there is enough evidence to bring Sharon to trial. Walleyn said the
Sharon probe could take years.

However, the examining magistrate can also decide to issue an international
arrest warrant during the investigation under a relatively new Belgian law
allowing its courts to prosecute foreigners for human rights abuses committed
outside the country.

The maximum punishment for the crimes is life imprisonment.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Israelis in Under Siege - No Not Palestinians - CBC
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Yet another special was aired on CBC Radio 1's _World Report_ this Monday
evening pouring forth sympathy for Israel under threat from suicide bombers. A
frequent theme - Israel the victim.

Yet, of the 600+ deaths of the Intefada about only a mere 5% have been caused by
suicide bombings inside Israel. Israel the victim? Hardly.

Don't you just suppose it is the Palestinians who are under the greatest threat
- for their lives, livelihood, their homes ... from the air, the sea, the
military, the death squads and God's chosen colonists?

Much was said about the disco bombing in Tel Aviv but not a word about it being
in retaliation for Israeli military killing four Palestinian border guards in
their tin shack a day before, on their own land.

And, I have never, never, never, heard a word from Jewish controlled CBC to the
effect that Israel refuses to compensate Palestinians for their properties
stolen during the expansion of Israel.

Until Israel complies with International law by compensating those robbed and
allowing those who want to return to their land, the rogue state must expect
resistance. Now why can't Rabinovich's Jewish boys in CBC Toronto report this?

Are the Jews in charge of CBC programs conditioning us to accept another war
started by Israel - coordinated world wide by the Zionist strategists?



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: Israelis in Under Siege - No Not Palestinians - CBC
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In article , "Don" says...
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>So you're idea of retaliation for a military strike is to blow up teenage
>kids in a disco.  And I thought you couldn't get any more stupid...

After the disco bombing, Israel sent the F-16s over Palestine. All the Jewish
media provided the justification of response. But when Islamic Jihad did the
disco killings and specifically said it was a response to Israel killing 4
border guards in Palestine, the same Jewish media blacked out their
justification.

>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9jik7901m04@drn.newsguy.com...
>> Yet another special was aired on CBC Radio 1's _World Report_ this Monday
>> evening pouring forth sympathy for Israel under threat from suicide
>bombers. A
>> frequent theme - Israel the victim.

What a coincidence. Tonight CBC TV's _The National_ also does a piece on suicide
bombers unerving poor Israelis. This must be coordinated by the highly organized
lobbies.

The National showed clips of a suicide bombers training school - as they
described it ... but failed to inform us that it had been shut down a few days
ago. You don't suppose that Rabinovich's Jewish boys in Toronto are pulling a
fast one on gullible Canadians? Naw!



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Water Shortage In Israel - Palestine Not Mentioned - CBC
Date: 25 Jul 2001 11:27:48 -0700
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I recently made the point that the Jewish boys in CBC Toronto were pushing the
"Israel the victim" theme at us. _The World at Six_ did a piece on suicide
bombers unnerving Jews in Israel, then, _The National_ presented the same theme.
I said that was a coordinated strategy by the Zionist movement.

That same day, I read in The Guardian that Shimon Peres, in the USA, said that
the media should get out the message about the impact of the threat of suicide
bombers on Israelis. Further evidence of a coordinated media campaign.

The Zionist movement is in a panic. Because of the Intefada, Jews are leaving
Palestine, perhaps even Israel too. Population transfer has been stalled and
reversed. The Zionist movement cannot let this go on for too long. They would
prefer to "peacefully" resume their colonization of Palestine but cannot stop
the new liberation tactics. They will start a war if they can manufacture an
excuse.

The media continues to propagate sympathetic tales for Israel. This morning,
CBC's _World Report_ presented a story on water shortage in Israel. Not once was
Palestine mentioned - not even "West Bank" or "Gaza". Given the interlocking
geography of political divisions in the Holy Land, why does CBC report only on
Israel? Certainly, in the occupied parts of Palestine, the Jews have swimming
pools and green lawns. Their Palestinian neighbors have access to only a
fraction of the Jews' per capita consumption.

When Rabinovich's Jewish boys in Toronto reported that the "Israeli" (Russian
immigrants) teenagers are afraid to go to the discos, they gave not a mention to
tens of thousands on Palestinians in Hebron, for instance, who have been
forcibly confined to their homes for most of the Intefada to allow 400 Jewish
fanatics to rampage through the market area - not to mention the military
enforced restrictions throughout the West Bank and Gaza.

The other strategy employed by presenting the water shortage story is to involve
us in Israeli, but not Palestinian, daily life to have us identify with Israel -
particularly useful if they get a war going. Thus, most Canadians know more
about Israel - not necessarily the truth - than about Canadian provinces.

Palestine will not free itself from the horrors of Zionism until Canadians get
back their media - and their politicians. Loyal Canadians, please, speak out
against those cunning collaborators.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Reporting Sharon's War Crimes Still Blacked Out in Canada?
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Ariel Sharon, aka The Butcher of Beirut, is in trouble for some of his criminal
activities. The Toronto Star has an item on it at http://www.thestar.com/
Otherwise, our Jewish controlled media has, to this point, blacked out this
topic.

Here is the story from The Guardian. 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
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Israel reveals its fear of war crimes trials 

Suzanne Goldenberg in Jerusalem
Friday July 27, 2001
The Guardian 

Israel is drafting a map of countries where its leaders - including the prime
minister, Ariel Sharon - could face trial for war crimes, a government official
said yesterday.
The extraordinary exercise is part of an effort to protect Israeli officials
>from the trend in Europe of expanding war crimes laws to include foreign
nationals and atrocities committed abroad. Spain led the change by seeking to
try the former Chilean dictator, General Augusto Pinochet. Belgium and the
Netherlands have since followed suit.

The Israeli contingency plan follows reports yesterday that Tel Aviv has hired a
Belgian lawyer for Mr Sharon, who will try to persuade judges in Brussels to
throw out a complaint seeking his prosecution over the massacre of Palestinian
refugees nearly 20 years ago.

Israel fears that the pending lawsuit could rebound on its diplomats and
military and intelligence personnel.

The Belgian courts are also reportedly considering complaints against Israel's
army chief, Shaul Mofaz, and the air force commander, Dan Halutz, for the death
of Palestinian civilians during the current 10-month-old uprising.

However, Belgium is also considering amendments to the law that would rule out
the prosecution of serving leaders.

A foreign ministry official told Israeli radio: "The ministry advises all
leaders in Israel not to visit nations whose legal systems are liable to cause
them inconvenience and embarrassment."

The notion that officials could be vulnerable to war crimes law in Europe has
caused alarm in Israel, which has in the past been a strenuous supporter of such
legislation for trying Nazi fugitives.

Yesterday, Mr Sharon told Israeli radio there was "an attempt to harm Israel and
the Jewish people, and thus there is activity to stop this danger".

Israel's foreign ministry decided to "map countries ... in light of requests
>from several current and retired security officials who wanted to know whether
they might be arrested or prosecuted while travelling abroad," a ministry
spokesman, Emmanuel Nachshon, said.

"We feel the need to map out those countries whose jurisdictional competence
covers acts and citizens outside the country, to avoid an undue politicisation
of international criminal law."

Mr Nachshon declined to say which countries were on the map - although they are
likely to include Spain, Britain, and Belgium - and said there was no undue
alarm about expanded war crimes legislation.

"We just want to point out that those laws may be misused by certain elements,"
he said.

Other foreign ministry officials told the Ha'aretz newspaper: "This is hot now
because of the delegitimisation of Israel and Zionism. But if the peace talks
resume between us and the Palestinians, the wave will pass."

Two recent events illustrate the potential for embarrassment of a more proactive
approach by European courts.

Last month, 28 survivors of the slaughter in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps
filed a complaint against Mr Sharon, accusing him of responsibility for the
killing of hundreds of Palestinians by Lebanese Christian militias in 1982.

An official Israeli inquiry at the time found Mr Sharon, who was then minister
of defence, "personally responsible" for the massacre by failing to anticipate
the murderous rampage by Israel's allies in Lebanon.

It is uncertain whether the Belgian case will go ahead, but after studiously
ignoring the complaint for weeks, the prime minister's office, justice and
foreign ministries are now studying the matter.

In Denmark, meanwhile, there has been a furore over Israel's choice of
ambassador to Copenhagen, the former chief of its internal intelligence service,
Carmi Gillon.

Mr Gillon admits authorising the torture of Palestinian detainees during his
tenure at the Shin Bet from 1995-1996, and leftwing Danish legislators want him
prosecuted under international conventions against torture.

The Danish justice ministry said on Wednesday that Mr Gillon would be afforded
diplomatic immunity when he takes up his post next month.

But Mr Sharon's personal attorney, Dov Weisglass, said yesterday that the row
over the appointment was instructive in showing the "extent to which there is a
powerful danger to every Israeli official who at any stage of his life was
connected to security events here in Israel".

He told army radio: "There is no limit to this, nor for most offences defined as
war crimes is there a statue of limitations, so this can relate even to the war
of independence [in 1948] or before."

• Three bombs went off in the West Bank near Israeli vehicles yesterday, hours
after Palestinians, threatening revenge, buried a militant killed in an Israeli
missile attack.

No one was hurt in the blasts near Jenin. A bomb exploded near a bus carrying
Israeli schoolgirls, settlers said. The bus had armour plating, which prevented
injuries.



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In article <9jik7901m04@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
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>Yet another special was aired on CBC Radio 1's _World Report_ this Monday
>evening pouring forth sympathy for Israel under threat from suicide bombers. A
>frequent theme - Israel the victim.
>
>Yet, of the 600+ deaths of the Intefada about only a mere 5% have been caused by
>suicide bombings inside Israel. Israel the victim? Hardly.
>
>Don't you just suppose it is the Palestinians who are under the greatest threat
>- for their lives, livelihood, their homes ... from the air, the sea, the
>military, the death squads and God's chosen colonists?
>
>Much was said about the disco bombing in Tel Aviv but not a word about it being
>in retaliation for Israeli military killing four Palestinian border guards in
>their tin shack a day before, on their own land.
>
>And, I have never, never, never, heard a word from Jewish controlled CBC to the
>effect that Israel refuses to compensate Palestinians for their properties
>stolen during the expansion of Israel.
>
>Until Israel complies with International law by compensating those robbed and
>allowing those who want to return to their land, the rogue state must expect
>resistance. Now why can't Rabinovich's Jewish boys in CBC Toronto report this?
>
>Are the Jews in charge of CBC programs conditioning us to accept another war
>started by Israel - coordinated world wide by the Zionist strategists?
>

When Rabinovich's Jewish boys ran this story, I felt the disgust of the
misleading propaganda by our hijacked public broadcaster. Jewish teenager were
afraid to go to the discos they reported ... but said nothing of the tens of
thousands of Palestinians who are confined to their homes at gunpoint.

The Independent is worth bookmarking. Here is a report on the Hebron
confinement. They also note the BBC's friendly spin for Israel. Yup! The Jews
hijacked that too. If the didn't the truth would be out all across Britain then
the world and the cruel occupation would be over. When collaborators in the CBC
spin for Israel, they are perpetuating the violence of Zionist racism - but
that's another story to be concealed.

http://news.independent.co.uk/

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Palestinians imprisoned by Arafat's flawed deal
By Phil Reeves in Hebron
28 July 2001

Wars create lies as fast as corpses. Take "curfew" and "closure". What nice,
cool, BBC Radio 4 kind of words. Isn't curfew the word you use when you order
your stroppy teenager to stay at home after a night out on the Special Brew? And
"closure" sounds like a road, blocked off because of flooding.

But the Arabs of Hebron know other meanings. They know that "closure" means
economic misery, and "curfew" means to be imprisoned for up to 24 hours a day,
under threat of being arrested, beaten, jailed or shot for "looking suspicious"
if they so much as stray beyond their doorstep. The king of lying, Jeffrey
Archer, has more freedom.

Three British aid agencies ­ Oxfam, Christian Aid and Save the Children ­ have
warned this week that violence, insecurity and poverty in the West Bank and Gaza
Strip could turn an already dire situation into "a full-scale humanitarian
crisis".

They said that nearly two thirds ­ some 64 per cent ­ of Palestinian households
now live below the poverty line, and an estimated 74 per cent of the 3 million
Palestinian population qualify for emergency food assistance from the United
Nations. There were, they noted, disturbing indications that the population's
ability to cope with the cumulative effects of "closure" ­ better described as a
siege ­ is coming to an end.

Hebron, once a flourishing West Bank city, has felt the brunt more than most.
The entire city has been blockaded by the Israeli army for months. But the
35,000 Arabs living in the Israeli-controlled sector have been under curfew for
more than 128 days since last September. I went there the other day, on a bright
summer's mid-afternoon. Streets that I remember as full of activity before the
Palestinian intifada were utterly deserted.

A small boy was flying a kite from a rooftop, searching in the sky for the
freedom denied to him on the ground. The babble of TV sets and bursts of
conversation, muffled by the thick walls of Hebron's old stone houses,
occasionally interrupted the hush. One had the surreal sense that everyone was
hiding, waiting to leap out and shout "Surprise!"

>From time to time, an Israeli army jeep thundered through, checking that
everyone was locked away. But no one was on the streets, except for some Israeli
soldiers, loading a lorry, and a few armed Jewish settlers, whose presence in
this overwhelmingly Arab city has provided Israel with a reason for imposing
this misery.

Although the sun was high, it was as quiet as the dead of night ­ in contrast to
the frenetic, teeming day of the market place on the city's Arab side a few
hundred yards away, or to the hum of the fenced-in Jewish settlement of
neighbouring Kiryat Arba, an oasis of wide roads, modern buildings and green
lawns through which we drove to get into Hebron. (No one bothers with euphemisms
there; "No Arabs," announced the armed security guard at the electric iron gate,
as he glowered into our car before letting us through).

Hebron's imprisoned residents are now seeing the results of an agreement
concluded in 1997 by Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister of the day,
and the Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, the flaws of which are becoming more
cruelly apparent. Eighty per cent of the city of 120,000 people was handed to
the Palestinians, who assumed control over municipal services ­ local security,
education, health, traffic and so on.

But Israel kept all the main levers of power including crucial parts of the
city's infrastructure, such as water and electricity. The other 20 per cent of
the city also remained in its hands on the staggering basis of protecting some
450 Jewish settlers ­ many recent immigrants. They refuse to budge from a city
in which they form 0.03 per cent of the population because they see it as
historically and religiously their own.

Their continued presence ­ armed by the Israel Defence Forces, guarded by
thousands of troops ­ laid the ground for the inter-communal strife that has now
erupted. The agreement meant that the Israeli army remained in overall charge,
controlling the entrances, and looming over the city from an army base on a hill
to the south.

Hebron became a model in miniature of the larger configuration of power and
control that Israel was using the Oslo negotiations to establish in the West
Bank and Gaza Strip: an island of limited Palestinian autonomy, cut off from the
outside world and set in a landscape which Israel rules.

No one understands this better than Mustafa Abdel-Nabi Natshe, the Palestinian
Mayor of Hebron. During the Oslo negotiations, he pressed Mr Arafat not to sign
a deal that allowed the 450 settlers to stay, perpetuating a terrible fault-line
between the city's two communities, which now produces almost daily acts of
horror ­ the killing, for instance, of a
10-month-old settler baby by a Palestinian sniper, or the killing by the army of
unarmed Arabs, and the bombardment of Palestinian homes with tanks .

Mr Natshe is surely right when he says that life is "becoming more and more
unbearable". The industrial zone in H2, the Israeli-controlled part of Hebron,
is closed. Electricity has been regularly interrupted, not least because Israeli
tanks shelled the transformers. Businesses have been ruined.

And in a hospital intensive care unit nearby, lies one of the latest victims ­
10-year-old Marwar Ishrif. She has a bullet in the head, which hit her as she
slept in bed. There aren't many nice, cool BBC Radio 4 words to sum all this up.
But curfew and closure won't do.



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In article <7d9e47a9.0107281343.275e6a76@posting.google.com>,
larrybgood@visto.com says...
>
>The fact is, the so-called palestinan side lost a war(s) and have to
>suffer the consequences of having less than if they won. That's the
>history of the world.
>They should accept their fate like big boys and girls and try to make
>the best of it. Maybe the Arab nations need to contribute more money
>to their cause and start building them up, instead of using them to
>keep Isreal off balance. It may hurt to admit defeat, but that's life.
>Getting to call the other guy wrong and the aggressor may feel great,
>and sometimes may be justified, but doesn't put food on the table.

The world does not accept the principle of the acquisition of territory by
force. See the example posted below - one of many, many, UN resolutions stating
so. Note the vote: 149 countries in favour. The two against are the rogue state
of Israel and the USA (reflecting Jewish power over American foreign policy).

Did you ever hear the CBC or any other Jewish controlled media report on this or
any similar resolutions?

http://www.un.org/ga/documents/gares52/gares52.html#part5
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52/66 Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territory including
Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan

Date: 10 December 1997  Meeting: 69 
Vote: 149-2-7  Report: A/52/617 

The General Assembly, 

Guided by the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and affirming the
inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,

Recalling its relevant resolutions, including those adopted at its tenth
emergency special session, as well as relevant Security Council resolutions,
including resolutions 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967, 446 (1979) of 22 March
1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980 and 497 (1981) of 17 December 1981,

Reaffirming the applicability of the Geneva Convention relative to the
Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, (61) to the
occupied Palestinian territory, including Jerusalem, and to the occupied Syrian
Golan,

Aware of the Middle East peace process started at Madrid and the agreements
reached between the parties, in particular the Declaration of Principles on
Interim Self-Government Arrangements of 13 September 1993 (62) and the
Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip of 28
September 1995, (63)

Expressing grave concern about the decision of the Government of Israel to
resume settlement activities, including the construction of the new settlement
in Jabal Abu Ghneim, in violation of international humanitarian law, relevant
United Nations resolutions and the agreements reached between the parties,

Gravely concerned in particular about the dangerous situation resulting from
actions taken by the illegal armed Israeli settlers in the occupied territory,
as illustrated by the massacre of Palestinian worshippers by an illegal Israeli
settler in Al-Khalil on 25 February 1994,

Taking note of the report of the Secretary-General,(64) 

1. Reaffirms that Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territory, including
Jerusalem, and in the occupied Syrian Golan are illegal and an obstacle to peace
and economic and social development;

2. Calls upon Israel to accept the de jure applicability of the Geneva
Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12
August 1949, (65) to the occupied Palestinian territory, including Jerusalem,
and to the occupied Syrian Golan and to abide scrupulously by the provisions of
the Convention, in particular article 49;

3. Demands complete cessation of the construction of the new settlement in Jabal
Abu Ghneim and of all Israeli settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian
territory, including Jerusalem, and in the occupied Syrian Golan;

4. Stresses the need for full implementation of Security Council resolution 904
(1994) of 18 March 1994, in which, among other things, the Council called upon
Israel, the occupying Power, to continue to take and implement measures,
including, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal
acts of violence by Israeli settlers, and called for measures to be taken to
guarantee the safety and protection of the Palestinian civilians in the occupied
territory.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
61. United Nations, Treaty Series, vol.75, No. 973. 
62. A/48/486-S/26560, annex; see Official Records of the Security Council,
Forty-eighth Year, Supplement for October, November and December 1993, document
S/26560.
63. A/51/889-S/1997/357, annex. 
64. A/51/517. 
65. United Nations, Treaty Series, vol.75, No. 973. 



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Some topics are off limits to journalists in our Jewish controlled media. The
Internet imposes no such restrictions - but they are working on it. The
following was sent via the Internet to someone, who sent it to me and now I send
it to you. The ideas in the article are available for your consideration. It is
not being rammed down your throat nor is it being hidden from you - dig at 'our"
CBC.

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From: "Israel Shamir" 
To: from occupied territories. I think I heard this notion before, but she was very
convincing anyway.

It was an important occasion, made possible thanks to the Palestinian organizer
of the conference, Dr Saleem Fahmawi, a man who grew in a refugee camp, made it
all the way to the UN, but never forgot the village of his ancestors. There was
also a chance to meet some friends of Palestine. Some hundred of them gathered
at night to hear my call for the new strategy, i.e. ‘one man – one vote’
solution. It was a heated discussion, with many young people present, and I left
comforted by the general response. The following is the gist of my speech at the
UNESCO conference on Getting the Facts Right.
 
  UP TO A POINT
 
The media world was well described in the brilliant novel by Evelyn Waugh, The
Scoop. Though the main plot of the book unfolds in Africa, the relevant scene
takes place on Fleet Street, at the office of the Daily Beast owner, lord
Copper. The media baron asked his foreign editor from time to time, is Yokohama
the capital of Japan? Or Does Hong Kong belongs to us? The editor had two 'safe'
answers. When lord Copper was right, he said, Definitely, lord Copper. When he
was wrong, he said, Up to a point, lord Copper. That is the fork, from
definitely to up to a point, of the permissible borders of mainstream media
discourse. We journalists are dependent creatures. We would like to be honest
and sincere, but we have to think of our mortgages, and of our vocation. If we
step over the borders established by the media owners, we would have to look for
a different occupation altogether.

Speaking of Palestine, the borders are quite narrow. I would say they run
parallel to the borders of internal Jewish Israeli mainstream discourse, from
Meretz to Sharon. If we compare it with pre-Mandela South Africa, it is similar
to the White mainstream discourse, from Nationalist to Progressive, not
including ANC. In my view, this discourse is exclusivist, even supremacist. It
is based on sustaining Jewish supremacy in Palestine. It does not offer equality
or even a safe future to the local inhabitants. But that is all you are allowed
to say. You may support the creation of Palestinian reservations which puts you
firmly in the Israeli ‘liberal’ camp, or you can back mass expulsion and ethnic
cleansing, and you will be called a hardliner or a hawk. These are the firm
borders of the discourse. Whoever crosses the borders, and speaks for equality
of a Jew and Gentile in the Holy Land, finds himself in the wilderness. His
voice will be silenced, maybe for good.

I know this first hand. I live in Jaffa, a town with a mixed population. There
are Palestinians, Moroccans, Israeli Ashkenazi Jews, Russians, and we all live
together rather harmoniously. But a lot of people who were born in Jaffa live in
refugee camps and they are forbidden to return just because of their religion or
ethnicity. I find it morally impossible, that a Jew from New York, Paris or
Novosibirsk, like me, can come and live in Jaffa, while a local man, born in
Jaffa, may not come back home. I called for the return of the Palestinian
refugees and immediately lost my job with Haaretz. That is the most liberal
Israeli newspaper.

The case of Palestine coverage in the media is special for one reason. We have a
peculiar vocabulary, developed for the local coverage. If I kill Ahmad, it would
be reported that ‘Ahmad was killed by an Israeli’. But if, God forbid, Ahmad
would kill me, you would learn that ‘a Jew was murdered’.

As in Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde, an Israeli may kill; but if an Israeli is killed,
he turns into a Jew. It is absolutely forbidden to speak about Jewish atrocities
and murders. The Jews are forever victims. It often appears we have three
nations in Palestine: Jews, Israelis and Palestinians. Israelis may commit
crimes, but it is innocent – always innocent – Jews that are murdered. If you
confuse these two words, and refer to a murderer as ‘a Jew’, you will be called
an anti-Semite, and probably you will lose your job.

It should not be too complicated to cover our story. It is not even as
complicated as other places of world concern. The right of national
self-determination inclusive of autonomy or independence isn’t an easy right to
realize, as Corsicans can tell you. Palestine should be easier to cover: it is
not the question of national self determination, but of basic human rights.
Kosovo? In Kosovo, Albanians were discriminated against and tormented by Serb
authorities, but they always had the technical right to vote and the Yugoslav
government never withdrew their citizenship. They were distant second-class
citizens, but still citizens. Kurds in Turkey? They also can vote.
 
The coverage of Palestine should be easier, but it is not. A journalist may
write and speak about marginal problems, like the Jewish settlers beyond the
Green Line. But the basic power structure of Jewish dominance in Palestine may
not be questioned. We may not say that the Palestinians have no right to vote;
no right to move to other parts of their country and no right to return to their
homes in the only country they have ever known.

In my opinion, the source of the media bias in covering the Palestinians is
tremendously important. For it speaks volumes about the power structure of the
US and Europe. It gives us unique feedback from the obscure world of media
lords. And, it goes without saying, that 'establishment' journalists are not
given much leeway on reporting on this valuable feedback. They are always too
busy writing ‘definitely’.

The reason is obvious. Too many of our media lords subscribe to the notion of
Jewish supremacy, and they are spread around the globe. In England, there is
Conrad Black, he actually owns many papers in Canada, the US, and in Israel. In
our country, he owns The Jerusalem Post. When he bought this paper, he dismissed
the staff and hired people of his opinions. He is a right wing Zionist, a
zealous supporter of Jewish supremacy.

In the US, there are too many of them to count. But allow us to mention Mortimer
Zuckerman, a media lord and the current Head of the Presidents’ Conference of
American Jewish Organizations, the big daddy of all Jewish groups in America. He
is one of the richest men in America, he made his fortune speculating in real
estate and owns the third largest 'serious' American weekly magazine, US News
and World Report. He also owns the popular plebeian tabloid, The Daily News, a
major circulation in the New York and New Jersey market. His newspapers
generally advocate the brutal rule of market forces. With one exception; they
call for generous annual subsidy of Israel by American tax payers. Two ex-Prime
Ministers of Israel, Netanyahu of the war-mongering Likud and Barak of the
slightly less hawkish Labour party supported Zuckerman in his quest for the
leadership of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations. This
side of the Ku Klux Klan, this association of 52 heads of American Jewish
organizations is the most bigoted body of men in American politics. Haaretz
recently reported, that Mortimer Zuckerman had dismissed his shiksa wife, in
order to get this coveted chair. As long as he stayed married to a non-Jewish
woman, his colleagues, Jewish billionaires, would not trust him. And he is one
of the most influential publishers in the US.
 
On the other end of the planet, in Russia, the TV stations and newspapers also
are under the ownership of Israeli citizens. One of them, Vladimir Gusinsky, was
forced to part with his TV station. But his extremely pro-Israeli staff was
quickly hired by another channel, belonging to another Israeli citizen, Mr
Chernoi. In 1985, he was an accountant living on a salary of 100 dollars a
month. Today he is worth 5 billion dollars, owns virtually all the aluminium
plants in Russia, and lives in a nice suburb of Tel Aviv. Currently, he is under
investigation for 34 murders, money laundering and membership in the Russian
mafia. In a recent quip, he was quoted as saying that ‘the media is not
business. the media is politics and influence’. He uses his media empire to
stifle all criticism of Israel in Russia.
 
I spoke recently to a young Russian military attaché in one of the Western
capitals. He told me: your Israeli situation is similar to ours, but we have
Chechnya a thousand miles away, while you have it next door. I asked him: do you
want to say that Chechens have no right of vote? He was amazed. He did not know
that the Palestinians have no right to vote. The media of Gusinsky, Chernoi, and
Berezovsky, that is three powerful media lords, all of them Israeli citizens,
took care to cultivate his ignorance.

Even in Sweden, traditionally supportive of the Palestinian cause, since the
national newspapers were bought by Jewish entrepreneurs, the coverage of
Palestine became more and more lopsided. I do not know whether the new owners
had to ask for it explicitly, or their chief editors just guessed their desires,
but the results were the same.

This international group of Jewish media lords, from Washington to Moscow, is
not subservient to the interests of Israel. But support of Israel is a part of
their agenda. On the top of the list, is globalisation and neo-liberalism; what
they call ‘freedom of market forces’. On political matters, they tend to
distrust democracy and personal freedoms while making constant demands for
corporate liberties.
 
Mutual support is also high on their list of priorities. When Gusinsky was under
investigation for embezzling funds, the New York Times and the Washington Post,
that is the late Mrs Kathryn Graham and Mr Sultzberger, both published virtually
identical lead stories and editorials supporting the ‘Independent Russian
Press’. Independent, appears to be a code word for ‘Jewish-owned’.
 
This should be a serious cause for concern. When an Egyptian businessman bought
Harrods in London, the newspapers went into a fury. The headlines blared 'our
national heritage is being taken away by foreigners'. In Israel, no outsider is
allowed to own a newspaper. There was a rich Russian Jew, Gregory Lerner, who
tried to buy a newspaper in Israel. He was sent to jail for six years for
various mafia-related crimes. It is worth noting that, before he made his rush
into the media, nobody cared about his offences. An Iraqi Jew took over a
newspaper, and very soon he found himself in jail. Because the media is not a
business, it is the nerve system of a country.

In my opinion, the case of Palestine is much more important for you, for
Europeans and Americans, than just another case of injustice. Because it proves
that this international group of Jewish media lords have become a mite too
powerful. In my experience, Jewish journalists can be as objective as any.
Actually, the best coverage of Palestine is done by Jewish journalists, from
Susanne Goldenberg of the Guardian to Gideon Levy of Haaretz. But it is easier
to squeeze a camel through the needle’s eye than to find an objective media
lord. This problem can be solved without actually removing media from the hands
of individual proprietors if newspapers would be treated like precious water
sources and other all-important public utilities. That is, unless we want to
delegate all these newspapers to the murky realm of ethnic press, and build from
scratch a new network of free press.
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Israel Shamir is an Israeli journalist based in Jaffa. His articles appear on
his site http://www.israelshamir.com/ or write to shamiri_@netvision.net.il All
his articles are in public domain and can be distributed freely, but hard copy
publications must ask for a permission.



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Read this:

     "Israeli police stormed Jerusalem's sacred al-Aqsa mosque
     compound Sunday after Palestinians threw stones at Jewish
     worshippers."

That is a direct quote from CBC. They have been using this simple notion all day
Sunday to encapsulate this story. On the morning radio news this sentence was
read at the opening to summarize the lead story and used again at the end of the
newscast.

Let's read it again to get the same effect as hearing this morning's news:

     "Israeli police stormed Jerusalem's sacred al-Aqsa mosque
     compound Sunday after Palestinians threw stones at Jewish
     worshippers."

The clear impressions left with the casual listener are:
 1) Palestinian troublemakers,
 2) Innocent Jews worshipping and
 3) Israeli policemen restoring order.

You had to listen to the main body of the story to learn that the instigators
were the Jewish extremists who want to demolish Al Aqsa mosque and build their
temple. Other reports are of rocks raining down on the heads of praying Jews ...
but, something's not making sense. These Jews must have thick skulls because
there are no reports of any of them being injured nor any TV scenes of rocks
landing on the Jews. (Normally, when a Jew is even slightly injured we hear of
it and see the stretchers.)

So why do the Jews at CBC Toronto continue this overt propaganda using our
public broadcaster? It's because they know they are safe. From the President of
the CBC on down there is a chain of Jews who give them a nod and a wink.
Besides, the powerful Jewish organizations such as B'nai Brith Canada and the
Canadian Jewish congress would never allow their operatives, working for the
tribe, to be disciplined. If the Chretien administration dared to object to this
misuse of the CBC you'd quickly see the CBC declare Shawinigate a national
scandal again.



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Robert Fisk has won many awards for his jouralism and is a jewel in the crown of
_The Independent_. From Sunday's paper here is an example of his work that the
stifling Jewish media bosses do not permit in "our" mass media.
http://news.independent.co.uk/
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Sharon hides his failure with clichés of 'terror'
Brutalised and subjugated, Palestinians have lost the one thing that kept them
in their place: fear

By Robert Fisk
12 August 2001

In just one paragraph last week, Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, used
the word "terrorism" five times. Terror. Terrorism. Global terror. International
terror. Arab terror, of course. Even the BBC was back using the Israeli lexicon,
its reporter at the funerals of the Israelis murdered in last week's suicide
bombing talking about "Palestinian terrorism"; it's not a word that the BBC used
when an Israeli settlers group murdered a Palestinian baby and two other members
of its family just over a week ago. "Terror" is now both an Israeli punctuation
mark and a definition, an all-purpose escape clause and a form of delusion.

For it conceals from the Israelis as well as the world an important truth about
the Palestinian-Israeli war which is only now emerging: that the Palestinians
are no longer afraid. This is the fundamental lesson that the Israelis have not
yet understood and which the US administration – forever hoping that Mr Sharon
can "crack down" on the Palestinians hard enough to make them come to heel, but
softly enough to avoid any massacres – has not grasped. Ehud Barak was promising
to break the intifada last October. Ariel Sharon was elected in February
promising "security" for Israel. Barak failed. And now so has Sharon.

Last week's wicked suicide bombing in Jerusalem was not just a sign of
Palestinian cruelty. It was also a catastrophic failure on the part of the
Israeli police and army. Throughout last week, every Arab found on his own in
the area of Jaffa Street was being arrested and questioned. Just two days before
the pizzeria slaughter, I saw soldiers haul a Palestinian worker to the side of
Ben Jehuda Street – 200 yards from the restaurant – and only 24 hours before the
bombing, I watched seven Palestinians being lined up for interrogation by
Israeli border police in a side road. Yet on Thursday, a Palestinian weighed
down with explosives and nails managed to walk into a cafe packed with Israeli
women and children.

True, the Israelis have prevented several bombings. The Israeli murder of a
Hamas member in Tulkarem just over a week ago may well have stopped a suicide
bombing in Tel Aviv. But in the end, the suicide bomber always gets through. The
Palestinian celebrations – the joy-shooting, the sweets, the dancing in the
refugee camps in Lebanon – were grotesque, obscene. But in their terrible way,
they contained a fearful message: that Israelis, however innocent, however
young, can be made to suffer, just as Palestinian innocents have been made to
suffer.

This may still not be apparent to the Israelis themselves. When Palestinian
children were gunned down by Israeli soldiers for throwing stones – or for being
in an area where stones were being thrown – Israeli spokesmen invented the myth
of "child sacrifice". Palestinians, they would have us believe, were
deliberately sending their dearly beloved sons and daughters to their deaths for
that arch "terrorist" Yasser Arafat. On Friday night, Dore Gold, the Israeli
government spokesman, announced that Mr Arafat's Palestinians – there apparently
being no difference between the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Islamic Jihad –
were deliberately targeting Israeli children. Thus when Palestinian children
died, it was the fault of Mr Arafat. When Israeli children died, it was the
fault of Mr Arafat.

The truth, however, is that Israel is going through a delusional crisis.
Refusing to acknowledge that their troops are occupying somebody else's land,
that their Jewish settlers – the French word colons is more accurate, for this
is a colonial exercise – are building houses on Arab land at an ever-expanding
rate, that they have always refused to allow Palestinians a capital in the
smallest part of Jerusalem, Israelis have convinced themselves that they are
under siege.

What is really happening is that the old modalities have collapsed. For years
after the 1967 war which brought the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights under
Israeli occupation, Palestinians existed in a state of vegetative humiliation.
They worked for their new Israeli masters, they built Jewish settlements on
Palestinian land for their Israeli masters. They worked as collaborators on a
massive scale. I remember, in 1976, meeting in Jerusalem two Palestinians openly
employed as "policemen" by Israel. In southern Lebanon, the smallest Israeli
incursion would send Palestinian guerrillas fleeing northwards towards Beirut in
panic. If it was a Saturday, they would arrive, clutching their rifles, and pack
themselves into Beirut's cinemas for the matinee performance, especially if the
movie was a war film. Loud on rhetoric, low on courage, the Palestinians did
what the Israelis wanted them to do. They were largely quiescent, humbled,
obedient.

Whether Lebanon changed this – the example of Hizbollah's defeat of the Israeli
army is still the subject of daily conversation in Gaza – or whether their own
dispossession and defeat simply grew too much to stomach, the Palestinians
slowly understood that they no longer needed to obey. Thus, after the initial
killing of Palestinian stone-throwers last year, the Palestinians began shooting
back. Israeli tank attacks were met by Palestinian mortar fire. Palestinian
suicide bombings were met by Israeli death squads, who were met by more
Palestinian suicide bombing. President Bush's favourite cliché – the "cycle of
violence" – is accurate. In the old days, any Palestinian who dared to resist
Israel was ruthlessly crushed. There was no "cycle"; merely repression. The
language of force, the Israelis called it then. Mr Sharon believed in it.

When he practised it in Lebanon in 1982, it turned into a tragedy for Israel as
well as for the Lebanese and Palestinians. But Mr Sharon didn't learn. The old
man still believes in "teaching the Palestinians a lesson" – even though this
involves re-teaching the same lesson to that other old man of the Lebanon war,
Mr Arafat. But the lesson is disregarded. The Israeli public would like a
re-occupation of the entire West Bank and Gaza – since Israel is supposedly
under Palestinian "siege", they do not apparently understand that most of the
West Bank and Gaza is occupied anyway – and, in the sinister words of an Israeli
who escaped last week's bombing, a "sterilisation" of Palestinian territories.
Senior Israeli army officers realise this would be madness.

So Mr Sharon is left astride two powerful animals, his right-wing supporters and
his army, which is why his "retaliation" for Thursday's bombing involved the
destruction of an empty police barracks and the seizure of the one institution
in Jerusalem that might have helped restore a peace: Orient House. If Mr Arafat
promised his people a nation and failed to deliver, so Mr Sharon promised his
people security – and failed to deliver.

The problem is one which Israelis will eventually have to face. When a people
lose their fear, they are never afraid again. You cannot re-inject a subject
people with fear once they have lost it. An all-powerful Israel thus finds
itself confronting a vulnerable but unsubmissive subject population. And as
every belligerent knows, once your antagonist has lost his fear, the war is
unwinnable.



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From: Kanuk 
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Canada's Jewish controlled media made a big fuss all day about a bomb exploding
inside Israel. They took the opportunity to repeat over and over the news of the
bombing in illegally occupied Jerusalem. Israeli government spokesmen,
conveniently quickly on the scene, are dutifully presented on our TVs mouthing
their prepared phrases. All reports justify Israel's responses as retaliation
but still avoid giving reasons for Hamas' or Jihad's actions.

So, no Jews killed - none-the-less a big propaganda splash is presented.
By-the-way, a seven year old Palestinian girl "died" today in Hebron "after
being caught up in a gun battle" we are told.

Interesting is it not that with only about 5% of the Intifada deaths being of
Jews inside Israel "our" media is able to spin to Canadians this "news" as poor
little Israel defending herself from Arafat's terrorists?

Check out _The Independent_ where Robert Fisk has two more articles, one of
which is pasted below and also visit _The Jordan Times_ to get a non-Jewish view
of events.
http://www.independent.co.uk/
http://www.jordantimes.com/

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Israelis may regret Orient House grab amid scepticism over 'terrorism' charge
By Robert Fisk in Jerusalem

13 August 2001

Even Israelis are beginning to wonder what on earth Ariel Sharon's soldiers are
doing in Orient House. As a bloodless retaliation for the crime of last week's
Palestinian suicide bomber who murdered 15 Israelis, and as a way of tweaking
Yasser Arafat's ever-greying moustache, storming the Palestinian offices must
have seemed a bright idea. No bodies, no wounded children, no world outcry; just
the Israeli Star of David banner fluttering in the summer breeze over the
19th-century Jerusalem building with its pitched roof and delicate tracery
windows.

But its seizure, as with all Israeli occupations, seems likely to produce a
crisis, this time bringing the Palestinian intifada into the streets of east
Jerusalem on an unprecedented scale. Palestinians in the Old City and Mr
Arafat's own officials are planning a large demonstration to recover the
building tomorrow, possibly co-operating with Israeli "Peace Now" activists.
With or without them, the chances of a violent confrontation between protest-ers
and the increasingly brutal Israeli police around Orient House are very high.

A Palestinian call for a general strike "across the Arab world" today is part of
the usual Arafat rhetoric bath. There may well be a symbolic closure of business
around the Middle East ­ Arabs are certainly outraged at Israel's behaviour ­
but Arab "unity" hasn't existed since the Ottoman Empire and the far-flung
merchants of Algiers and the United Arab Emirates are not keen to be economic
"martyrs". If anything, it is Israel's own preposterous claims about Orient
House that are inflaming Israelis and Arabs alike.

After years of bellyaching every time Western diplomats met Palestinian
officials in the building, the Israelis followed the occupation last week by
stating that the office had been an "incitement" to violence.

Then yesterday Dore Gold, the government's official spokesman, made the
extraordinary assertion that the venerable mansion had been "a virtual hub and
nerve centre of terrorists". What on earth was he talking about?

Even Mr Gold's revealing insertion of the word "virtual" did not fool Israelis
who asked, not unreasonably, why, if Orient House was such a "terror centre", it
had not been raided, trashed, closed down, occupied or destroyed years ago. "We
can hunt down their terrorists in the back streets of Ramallah but we didn't
know until now that terrorist HQ was just a stone's throw from Shabbak [Israeli
secret service] offices," an Israeli journalist told me. "What are we supposed
to believe next?"

Indeed, if Mr Gold is to be believed, Israel's policemen, who have stood outside
Orient House for eight years, must have been breathtakingly inefficient to have
allowed all those "terrorists" to pop in and out of the building to set up their
"nerve centre" for almost a decade. The headquarters of the Shin Bet security
services in the Russian Compound of Jerusalem, stands 1,100 yards from Orient
House. A Peace Now activist asked: "Whoever heard of taking over archives?"

The aftermath of last week's atrocity has proved almost as odd as it was tragic.
Only hours after Israelis watched, in a mood of national tragedy, the burial of
14 of the innocent civilian victims of the Palestinian bomber, they learnt that
one of the two bombs dropped by F-16 jets on the Palestinian police headquarters
in Ramallah failed to explode.

Anxious to avoid casualties, the Israeli authorities desperately called up the
Palestinian Authority to warn them of the unexploded ordnance buried in the
rubble of the building. They were even more worried when they realised that Mr
Arafat ­ "the head of a gang of terrorists," according to Mr Sharon ­ was going
to visit the wreckage. Assassinating the occasional Hamas member may now be par
for the course, but not the liquidation of Mr Arafat himself. Not yet, at any
rate.

Then word came that Mr Arafat's head of "Preventative Security", Jibril Rajoub,
had arrested four Hamas "militants". It transpired that one of them, Hussein Abu
Naaseh, had originally been named by Islamic Jihad as Thursday's suicide bomber.
In a sinister mistake, his "martyr's" photograph was released by the
organisation before it realised that the real bomber, Izzadin Masri, was from
Hamas. It didn't take long, thanks to Islamic Jihad, for both the Israelis and
Mr Arafat to realise that Abu Naaseh was a "ticking bomb" and he was swiftly
picked up by Mr Rajoub's plainclothes flics.

But what did the Israelis find inside Orient House? An Israeli-made Uzi rifle,
according to the press here ­ it may have been legally held by Mr Arafat's men ­
and a clutch of photographs of the very Israeli policemen who have been guarding
Orient House over the years. Since the Israelis have regularly taken pictures of
everyone moving in and out of the building, it must have been an eerie
experience for the intelligence photographers to find that the Palestinians had
been doing the same to them. Exactly why remains a mystery.



From Kanuk_member@newsguy.com Tue Nov  6 18:03:19 EST 2001
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From: Kanuk 
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In article <2tId7.5913$Tn1.1902606@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com>, "tim says...
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>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9l7gii02c9f@drn.newsguy.com...
>> Canada's Jewish controlled media
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>You can repeat this assertion a zillion times and its still bullshit.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

Perhaps, I'm making this too complicated for this poster. Let's make it simple.

Yesterday, CBC reported on two acts of violence in the so-called Holy Land.

1) HAIFA, Israel. A Palestinian injured 15 Jews, 14 lightly and 1 seriously. CBC
makes a big fuss, reporting it all day - our reporter on the scene ... Israeli
spokesmen on our TVs ... "Arafat must stop the violence" ... "Israel trying to
defend herself".

2) HEBRON Occupied Palestine. Armed Jews, financed by the state of Israel, kill
a 7 year old Palestinian girl. CBC afforts the story footnote status late in the
day - no reporter on the scene ... no clips on TV from official spokesmen ... no
"Sharon must stop the violence" ... no "Palestine trying to defend herself".

Is "our" public broadcaster incompetent or is this another instance of the
antics of Robert Rabinivich's Jewish boys putting their loyalty to a greater
Israel ahead of their duty to Canadians?



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From: Kanuk 
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In article <6TSd7.9970$Z2.105664@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Canuck" says...
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>I doesn't matter who controls the media in Canada , the simple fact that
>innocent peoples have been killed should be enough to get the attention of
>>media. Making a "big fuss" about a mass murder is the role of media everywhere
>!
>Terrorist bombing is a crime and nobody in their right mind could find
>any justification for it.

Surely it does matter who controls the media in Canada. With the Zionist
movement in control, they have the upper hand over our politicians. Does
Chretien criticize the Jews or go along with them? He goes along ... and they
don'd set their media hounds on him. Typically, in military coups, the army goes
for the presidential palace and the TV station.

However, if the discussion is to focus on the politics of the Holy Land then
there is validity to suggesting what happens in Canada's media is not too
significant. This cannot be said for the USA which funds and arms Israel's
expansion. The powerful lobbies must have political support - which is what the
media can generate with its spin.

My issue on these boards, however, is not the battle for the Holy Land but the
deception of the Canadian people by the Jewish organizations controlling our
media - particularly the CBC. I pay my taxes then get mislead to. I use the
Middle East situation to illustrate this.

Again this morning I listened critically to the _World Report_ story on Israel's
invasion of Jenin. So I can illustrate this deception again.

When a Palestinian entered Haifa, Israel, killing himself and injuring 15
Israelis, CBC's spin was of sympathy for Israel with no justification offered
for the attack.

Yesterday, it was Israel's turn. They entered Jenin, Palestine, and engaged in
violence. CBC did not spin their telling of the attack in sympathetic terms for
the Palestinians. They presented it justification and repeatedly echoed Israel's
slick public relations messages - once again airing the carefully crafted
phrases direct from the mouth of Israel's most effective propagandist - Dore
Gold.

Here are some direct quotes from this morning's _World Report_. The message left
with Canadians is just what the Jewish organizations want.

NEWS READER: "The army says it was responding to terror attacks originating in
Janine."

MIKE HORNBROOK (CBC's Correspondent): "This was Israel's apparent pay back for a
weekend bombing that injured 20 Israelis and another attack in Jerusalem last
Thursday that left 15 dead. Janine has become a stronghold for the Islamic
Jihad. Israeli spokesman Dore Gold says both terror attacks were plotted there."

DORE GOLD: "The Palestinian Authority has not lifted a finger to stop these
operations against Israeli civilians. So Israel sent a message of Palestinian
accountability. Stop the terrorism and stop it now."

MIKE HORNBROOK: " ... The message, Palestinians will gain nothing through
violence and could lose what little they have gained though negotiations."

Then in the program summary at the end we have more reinforcement for Israel's
message:

NEWS READER: "Israeli tanks roll into the Palestinian controlled West Bank town
of Jenin flattening the police station. The assault is in response to
Palestinian terror attacks."

If anyone considers this CBC report to be balanced especially in relation to
their reporting of the Haifa bombing, feel free to go to the website and listen
in ... then comment.
http://cbc.ca/news/radionews/worldreport.html



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In article <9l7gii02c9f@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
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>Canada's Jewish controlled media made a big fuss all day about a bomb exploding
>inside Israel. They took the opportunity to repeat over and over the news of the
>bombing in illegally occupied Jerusalem. Israeli government spokesmen,
>conveniently quickly on the scene, are dutifully presented on our TVs mouthing
>their prepared phrases. All reports justify Israel's responses as retaliation
>but still avoid giving reasons for Hamas' or Jihad's actions.

Below is documented the reason for the Haifa bombing. Once again it comes from
Robert Fisk writing for _The Independent_. My point is that this standard of
balanced reporting is denied us by the choking Jewish grip on our media - and as
a consequence, the longer we are deceived about the ugly nature as Israel's
actions, the longer we will remain silent and give tacit approval to Israel as
she continues to acquire more territory. But then, that's one of the reasons for
the Zionist movement controlling the West's media.

SOURCE: The Independent 
http://news.independent.co.uk/

Killing of Jihad man was trigger for suicide bombing  
By Robert Fisk in Qabatiya, West Bank
16 August 2001

In the single-storey hut with its bare concrete walls, they all agree that the
saddest thing about Mohamed Nasr's death was the time of his birth. "He was the
first boy to be born after seven girls," his cousin Siham says. "Think of it.
Seven girls and then Mohamed arrived and now he is gone."

Old Haj Nasr sits cross-legged on the floor wearing a white head-dress, elbows
resting on a cushion. He acknowledges that his son was a ninth grade drop-out;
he was kind, he says, he kept some sheep but had no money to marry. "All I knew
was that he was active in the first intifada," he says.

But Mohamed Nasr was more than that. Four days ago, the 28-year-old Palestinian
walked into the Wall Street Café – in the Israeli suburb of Kiryat Motzkin north
of Haifa – and blew himself up.

I've sat in these rooms before, the broken fathers always trying to show pride
in the death of the young men whose portraits stare down from the glossy posters
on the wall, but who set off to kill the innocent, the relatives anxious to add
their twopence of praise. "Chivalrous" is the word they keep using about Mohamed
Nasr. When I ask his father what he believes his son was thinking as he walked
on to the terrasse of the Wall Street Café and touched the detonator on his
waist, he just raises his arms in a helpless way. "I don't know," he replies.
They all say that.

Nasr was born into occupation and despair, shot through the thigh when he was 15
after throwing stones at Israeli soldiers in the first intifada uprising in
1988. When the men in Qabatiya found a collaborator among them, they burnt his
house and hanged him from an electricity pole.

Nasr drifted into a job with the Palestinian Authority – with Moussa Arafat's
military intelligence service – as a prison guard, watching over the Islamic
Jihad and Hamas men whom Moussa's cousin, Yasser Arafat, had locked up in the
West Bank town of Jenin on Israel's orders.

One of them was Iyad Hardan, an intelligent, tough Jihad member whom Israel's
death squads wanted to kill. He was studying at an open university and would
regularly be freed from jail to attend classes. On 5 July, he went to make a
call from a payphone in Jenin. The moment he lifted the receiver, it blew his
head off. It was a turning point in Mohamed Nasr's life. He liked the prisoners
he guarded.

"He had come to admire Hardan," another cousin – also Mohamed – recalls. "He was
sad for days afterwards. He was angry like everyone else. I remember him saying
that 'we are from God and we go back to God'. Then he started talking to us
about how he wanted to be a martyr."

Other members of the family remember darker words. "Damn those who are behind
this," Mohamed Nasr said. A few days later, in mid-July, he threw in his job,
complaining he hadn't been paid for a month.

Jenin's school for suiciders seems to have been a sloppy affair, its Islamic
Jihad cells containing at least one mole. A collaborator had prepared Hardan's
murder and at least one of the men Islamic Jihad sent to die had already changed
his mind and given himself up to the Israelis. Not Mohamed Nasr. "On the Sunday
morning, he didn't have breakfast but he attended noon prayers," Siham says. "He
took a bath, changed his clothes and said to his father, 'Do you want anything
>from me?' Then he asked to see his nephew, little Islam."

Islam is only four months old. Was Mohamed Nasr seeking some love of life in the
child, having already abandoned his own? "He liked children," Siham continues.
"He liked playing with them. He took coffee but didn't shave that day. He was
wearing a beige shirt, white trousers and black boots. He didn't say where he
was going. He had a mobile phone. He took it with him."

Not long after 3pm last Sunday, Mohamed Nasr picked up a taxi near Haifa. The
Israelis had already set up roadblocks in the city – another collaborator
appears to have warned them that a suicider was on his way – but they failed to
intercept Nasr. The driver was to recall later how Nasr had been uncertain of
his destination. "Three times, he made calls on his mobile and said, 'I can't
find the place'," the taxi driver told reporters afterwards.

When he was asked about the taxi fare, Nasr said he didn't care how much it
cost, heightening the driver's suspicions as he dropped him off close to the
Wall Street Café. There were few guests and most of them were inside the
building. It was to save their lives. The driver had decided to find an Israeli
policeman and was telling one about his suspicions when Nasr walked into the
café's terrasse bar.

Aharon Rozman, the owner, says Nasr approached a waitress, pulled up his shirt
to reveal the explosives attached to his belt and asked the woman: "Do you know
what this is?" She screamed one word – "terrorist" – and Rozman threw a chair at
Nasr and lunged behind a pillar. In that moment, Nasr's hand moved to the
detonator on his belt and ended his life. The explosives tore him to pieces. On
the terrasse, the blast was spread over a wide area; the 20 Israelis inside were
only slightly wounded. Covering its disappointment, Islamic Jihad announced
Nasr's death as a "victory over Zionism" because he had successfully eluded
Israeli security.

Did Nasr reflect in those last seconds that the Israelis he was trying to kill
might have included children, perhaps as young as four-month-old Islam? Did he
question the morality of trying to erase the lives of innocents? That his 28
years on earth were about to end?

His cousin Mohamed had pondered this question. "There would have been no thought
about himself," he says. "He would think of many things except himself – he
couldn't think about himself because he wanted to die. Any person who has
accepted this form of sacrifice doesn't think about himself."

The Israelis retaliated by raiding Jenin and destroying its police station,
unaware that it was their own murder of Hardan that sent Mohamed Nasr on his
mission. The killing of Hardan – intended to strike fear into Islamic Jihad –
had the opposite effect. It turned Nasr into a suicide bomber. A few hours after
the Jenin raid Islamic Jihad promised there would be more.



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In article <20010817114359.28124.00000723@mb-me.aol.com>, jr0162@aol.com says...
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>>Subject: Fun facts about the racist state of Israel
>>From: 7h3_Fr13nd1y_P0rn06raph3r@salmahayeksknockers.edu
>>Date: 8/17/01 8:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>Message-id: 
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>>
>>
>>FACTS ABOUT ISRAEL: DID YOU KNOW?
>>
>>Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis are prohibited from buying or
>>leasing land in Israel?
>>
>>Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel and the occupied
>>territories are color-coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?
>>
>>Did you know that in the occupied territories Israeli authorities
>>allocate 85 percent of the water resources for the tiny Jewish
>>population, and the remaining 15 percent for the vastly larger Arab
>>population? In Hebron, for example, 85 percent of the water is set aside
>>for about 400 Jewish "settlers," while 15 percent must be divided among
>>Hebron's 120,000 non-Jews.
>>
>>Did you know that the United States provides Israel with $5 billion in
>>aid each year?
>>
>>Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds annual US aid to all
>>the countries of sub-Saharan Africa combined?
>>
>>Did you know that the Israel is the only country in the Middle East that
>>has nuclear weapons?
>>
>>Did you know that the Israel is the only country in the Middle East that
>>refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, and bars
>>international inspection of its sites?
>>
>>Did you know that for more than 30 years Israel has occupied territory
>>of neighboring Syria in defiance of international law and United Nations
>>Security Council resolutions?
>>
>>Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely sent assassins to
>>kill political enemies in other countries?
>>
>>Did you know that high-ranking Israel Defense Forces officers have
>>admitted publicly that IDF troops summarily killed unarmed prisoners of war?
>>
>>Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute IDF troops who have
>>acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
>>
>>Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank accounts,
>>businesses and land of non-Jews, and refuses to pay compensation to the
>>victims?
>>
>>Did you know that on June 8, 1967, Israeli war planes attacked an
>>American naval ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing
>>34 American sailors, and wounding a further 171?
>>
>>Did you know that the second most powerful lobbying organization in the
>>United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of
>>Washington insiders, is the Jewish AIPAC?
>>
>>Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations
>>Security Council Resolutions?
>>
>>Did you know that today's Israel includes the former sites of more than
>>400 now-vanished Palestinian villages, and that the Zionists have
>>re-named nearly every physical site in the country to cover up the
>>traces of their confiscation?
>>
>>Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel -- M. Begin, Y. Shamir,
>>Y. Rabin, and A. Sharon -- have taken part in bomb attacks against
>>civilians, massacres of civilians, or forced expulsions of civilians
>>from their villages?
>>
>>Did you know that Israel's Foreign Ministry pays two American public
>>relations firms to promote Israel to the American public?
>>
>>Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party --
>>Molodet -- that advocates expelling all non-Jews from the occupied
>>territories?
>>
>>Did you know that in the eight years since the signing of the Oslo
>>accord, Israel has increased its building of Jewish "settlements," in
>>violations of the accord?
>>
>>Did you know that building of Jewish "settlements" in the occupied
>>territories doubled under the "moderate" prime minister Ehud Barak,
>>compared to the "hardline" prime minister B. Netanyahu?
>>
>>Did you know that Israel once issued a postage stamp commemorating a man
>>who attacked a civilian bus and killed several people?
>>
>>Did you know that recently declassified documents indicate that Israel's
>>first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, in at least some instances
>>approved of the expulsion of Palestinians in 1948?
>>
>>Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of
>>Justice, Israel's "Shin Bet" interrogators have continued to torture
>>Palestinian prisoners?
>>
>>Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of
>>the world's refugee population?
>
>Did you know that the original poster obviously has an anti-Israeli axe
>to grind?
>
>That's what we thought too.

Most of the "facts" listed I recognize as true. Some I don't know about but they
fit the pattern of Israel's atrocious behavior as she expands her territory.
These facts are simply not reported - so Canadians cannot object to things they
don't know about.

I restored calgary.general to the circulation list which the last poster seems
to want deleted. Calgary's mass media is within the Jewish grip so why shouldn't
Calgarians also have access to alternative points of view.

As to any revelation of Israel's horrors causing the accusation that the poster
has "an axe to grind" or, as Jay Winkler, of Calgary, says, an anti-semite -
isn't he actually doing mankind a service because a better informed public will
result in better decisions?



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In article <3B7EA4FF.740C44F6@nerdhive.org>, Ranma says...
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>7h3_Fr13nd1y_P0rn06raph3r@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:
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>> FACTS ABOUT ISRAEL: DID YOU KNOW?
>
>A lot of interesting stuff, but I know your just trolling. Too bad it's
>shooting fish in a barrel. Not even sporting really.
>
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Whether posting the bad stuff about Israel is to be described as "trolling" is
merely a matter of name-calling.

When we see injustice should we remain silent? I don't and neither does
"7h3_Fr13nd1y". It's my position that exposing the stuff that the Jewish media
suppress is helpful.

Israel has an awful agenda to follow - in part it's territorial expansion and
population transfer - Zionism dominates the politics of Israel and Jews in the
diaspora without whom none of this horror would prevail for long. Since Israel's
agenda is not lawful, she resorts to violations of International law to achieve
those goals. Jewish agents in Canada's mass media play a key part of Israel
getting away with criminal behavior.

Robert Rabinovich, the Jewish president of the CBC, knows what's going on within
our public broadcaster. Israel Asper, head of Canwest Global (owns Calgary
Herald) sees to it that Canada's newspapers conceal the nasty side of Israel and
Canada's Jewish lobbies. And so on throughout ALL OF our mass media.

I can't think of anything more dangerous to the interests of Canadians than
having all our mass media under the editorial control of a tiny racial minority
with this awful agenda.

Lets have more "trollers" to expose what the media bosses want hidden!



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In article <1ozf7.96360$sM.25805953@news2.rdc1.ab.home.com>, "Calgary says...
>
>Better information is great, and anti-semites are not.  The middle east is a
>very complicated subject.  To assume otherwise is silly.  Dan simply wants
>to post things that are anti isreal.
>
>--
>Calgary Rob
>calgaryrob@home.com

The Middle East can be considered to be as complicated as any of us want.
Indeed, there are those who want to make it appear very complicated ... for
instance, insisting the issues are a matter for negotiation. (Do you negotiate
with armed bank robbers?) However, the community of nations has made some fairly
simple demands of Israel that are not aired in the Jewish controlled media.

Israel has been ordered to leave Syria, Palestine and Jerusalem because the
world rejects the notion that nations can acquire territory by force. That's
simple and basic. Israel should get her troops off the land of others, out of
their skies and off their seas.

Israel has been ordered to let Palestinians return to their former places of
residence inside (pre-'67) Israel. She won't let them back yet induces Jews only
to move there from around the world. Would you accept being driven from your
home - usually into squalor?

Israel has been ordered by the UN - about 150 votes to 2 - to compensate
Palestinians for properties seized. That seems like fairly basic justice to me -
but Israel refuses.

Israel has been ordered to comply with the Fourth Geneva Convention pertaining
to the treatment of civilians in militarily occupied lands. Israel regularly
ignores these rules.

... and attempts to expose and discuss such issues as these here are met with
the usual name calling and ridicule of the poster rather than discussion of the
issues. This is where the pro-Israel posters lose their credibility. They won't
debate the issues.



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This piece could have been written about the manipulated and manipulating CBC
and any of Israel Asper's Southam papers.

The Independent 19Aug2001 Commentators section
http://argument.independent.co.uk/

Robert Fisk: When journalists forget that murder is murder
'It's not the words Israelis and Palestinians use about each other that concern
me. It's our submission to them'

18 August 2001

What on earth has happened to our reporting of the Middle East? George Orwell
would have loved a Reuter's dispatch from the West Bank city of Hebron last
Wednesday. "Undercover Israeli soldiers," the world's most famous news agency
reported, "shot dead a member of Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction yesterday in what
Palestinians called an assassination." The key phrase, of course, was "what
Palestinians called an assassination". Any sane reader would conclude
immediately that Imad Abu Sneiheh, who was shot in the head, chest, stomach and
legs by 10 bullets fired by Israeli "agents" had been murdered, let alone
assassinated. But no. Reuters, like all the big agencies and television
companies reporting the tragedy of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, no longer
calls murder by its real name.

Back in the days of apartheid, no one minced their words when South African
death squads gunned down militant opponents. They talked about murder and
assassination. They still do when Latin American killers murder their political
opponents. I've yet to find a newspaper which shrinks from reporting the
"murder" – or at the least "assassination" – of IRA or UDA gangsters in Belfast.
But not when the Israelis do the murdering. For when Israelis kill, they do not
murder or assassinate, according to Reuters or CNN or the most recent convert to
this flabby journalism, the BBC. Israelis perpetrate something which is only
"called" an "assassination" by Palestinians. When Israelis are involved, our
moral compass our ability to report the truth dries up.

Over the years, even CNN began to realise that "terrorist" used about only one
set of antagonists was racist as well as biased. When a television reporter used
this word about the Palestinian who so wickedly bombed the Jerusalem pizzeria
last week, he was roundly attacked by one of his colleagues for falling below
journalistic standards. Rightly so. But in reality our reporting is getting
worse, not better.

Editors around the world are requesting their journalists to be ever softer,
ever more mealy mouthed in their reporting of any incident which might upset
Israel. Which is why, of course, Israelis are so often reported as being killed
by Palestinians while Palestinians, some as young as 10, are killed in "clashes"
– "clashes" coming across as a form of natural disaster like an earthquake or a
flood, a tragedy without a culprit.

One sure way of spotting Israel's responsibility for a killing is the word
"crossfire". Mohamed el-Dura, the little Palestinian boy shot dead by Israeli
troops in Gaza last year, became an iconic symbol of the Palestinian "intifada".
Journalists investigating the boy's death, including The Independent's
Jerusalem, correspondent were in no doubt that the bullets which hit him were
Israeli (albeit that the soldiers involved may not have seen him). Yet after a
bogus Israeli military inquiry denounced in the Knesset by an Israeli member of
parliament, all the major Western picture agencies placed captions on the photo
for future subscribers. Yes, you've guessed it, the captions said he was killed
in "crossfire".

Wars have always produced their verbal trickeries, their antiseptic phrases and
hygienic metaphors, from "collateral damage" to "degrading the enemy". The
Palestinian-Israeli conflict has produced a unique crop. The Israeli siege of a
city has become a "closure", the legal border between Israel and the occupied
territories has become the "seam line", collaborators for the Israelis are
"co-operators", Israeli-occupied land has become "disputed", Jewish settlements
built illegally on Arab land have become "neighourhoods" – nice, folksy places
which are invariably attacked by Palestinian "militants".

And when suicide bombers strike "terrorists" to the Israelis, of course the
Palestinians call them "martyrs". Oddest of all is Israel's creepy expression
for its own extrajudicial murders: "targeted killings". If a dark humour exists
in any of this dangerous nonsense, I must admit that Israel has found a real
cracker in its expression for Palestinians who blow themselves to bits while
making bombs: they die, so the Israelis say, from "work accidents".

But it's not the words Israelis and Palestinians use about each other that
concern me. It's our journalistic submission to these words.

Just over a week ago, I wrote in The Independent that the BBC had bowed to
Israeli diplomatic pressure to drop the word "assassination" for the murder of
Palestinians in favour of Israel's own weird expression, "targeted killings". I
was subsequently taken to task by Malcolm Downing, the BBC assignments editor
who decreed this new usage. I was one-sided, biased and misleading, he said; the
BBC merely regarded "assassination" as a word that should apply to "high-ranking
political or religious figures".

But the most important aspect of Mr Downing's reply was his total failure to
make any reference to the point of my article the BBC's specific recommended
choice of words for Israel's murders: "targeted attacks". The BBC didn't invent
that phrase. The Israelis did.

I don't for a moment believe Mr Downing realises what he did. His colleagues
regard him as a professional friend. But he has to realise that by telling his
reporters to use "targeted killings", he is perpetrating not only a journalistic
error but a factual inaccuracy. So far, 17 totally innocent civilians including
two small children have been killed in Israel's state-sponsored assassinations.
So the killings are at the least very badly targeted indeed. And I can't help
recalling that when the BBC's own Jill Dando was so cruelly shot dead on her
doorstep, there was no doubt that she was killed by a man who had deliberately
"targeted" her. But that's not what the BBC said. They called it murder. And it
was.

Within the past week, CNN, the news agencies and the BBC have all been chipping
away at the truth once more. When the Jewish settlement at Gilo was attacked by
Palestinian gunmen at Beit Jalla, it once more became a "Jewish neighbourhood"
on "disputed" land even though the land, far from being in "dispute", legally
belongs to the Palestinian people of Beit Jalla ("Gilo" being the Hebrew for
"Jalla"). But viewers and readers were not told of this.

When the next state-sponsored assassination of a Palestinian Hamas member took
place, a television journalist – BBC this time – was reduced to telling us that
his killing was "regarded by the Israelis as a targeted killing but which the
Palestinians regard as an assassination". You could see the problem. Deeply
troubled by the Israeli version, the BBC man had to "balance" it with the
Palestinian version, like a sports reporter unwilling to blame either side for a
foul.

So just watch out for the following key words about the Middle East in
television reporting over the next few days: "targeted killings",
"neighbourhood", "disputed", "terrorist", "clash" and "crossfire". Then ask
yourself why they are being used. I'm all for truth about both sides. I'm all
for using the word "terrorism" providing it's used about both sides' terrorists.
I'm sick of hearing Palestinians talking about men who blow kids to bits as
"martyrs". Murder is murder is murder. But where the lives of men and women are
concerned, must we be treated by television and agency reporters to a commentary
on the level of a football match?



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From: Kanuk 
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Here is a report on issues that "our" mass media won't present objectively.
Jewish dominance of the mass media, including our public broadcaster, deceives
us on issues concerning Israel's creeping takeover of the Holy Land.

As you read the part of this article dealing with the building demolition in
Jerusalem, keep in mind that the UN's near unanimous position:-
     "1. Determines that the decision of Israel to impose its laws,
     jurisdiction and administration on the Holy City of Jerusalem
     is illegal and therefore null and void and has no validity
     whatsoever" Vote: 148-1-9 
[General Assembly Resolution A/RES/52/53
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF?OpenDatabase
See the year 1997 and date 12/09/97 or the Jerusalem resolution for any year
since 1981]

None-the-less, Jewish operatives in our mass media are able to conceal the
illegality of the occupation of *ALL OF* Jerusalem, and present Israel's
propaganda that it is the Palestinians who are building illegally.

----------------------------------------------------------------

The Independent, 21 August, 2001
http://www.independent.co.uk/

Israelis destroy city apartment block to drive out Palestinians
By Robert Fisk in Beit Hanima
21 August 2001

An entire apartment block in one fell swoop. The Israelis tore it down in less
than half an hour, the eight empty flats – each valued at £36,000 – the
kindergarten and six ground- floor stores turned to rubble by two cranes and at
least 50 soldiers and policemen. Ibrahim Golani, the Israelis claimed, was
building illegally in the municipality of Jerusalem; for which read, illegally
annexed east Jerusalem. It was the same old story.

Even as Palestinians were absorbing the news of two more dead Palestinian
children in Gaza, the demolition was under way. Beit Hanina is about as
middle-class as you can get amid the despair of what Yasser Arafat likes to call
Palestine, and the little street already had three identical four-storey blocks.
Mr Golani's sin, his cousin said, was to build after applying for planning
permission – but without waiting for the municipality, which is dominated by
right-wing Israelis, to grant him the relevant documents.

Yet for the Palestinians, this is not about "illegal" building. As Ahmed abu
Moussa put it outside the pharmacy opposite the wreckage yesterday, the Israelis
want to prevent young Palestinian couples living in the Jerusalem city limits.
"If they go on destroying these houses – and it happens every month here now –
they hope to force our people, who are desperate for homes, to buy land outside
Jerusalem. But the moment they do that and go and live outside the city limits,
the Israelis take away their residence cards for the city. So they can no longer
live here. And Jerusalem becomes less Arab and more Jewish."

Things were less clear cut in Gaza yesterday after Samir abu Zeid and his two
children, Inas, 7, and Sulieman, 6, were torn to pieces by an explosion at their
home in Rafah. The Palestinians accused the Israelis of firing a missile into
the building to kill Mr abu Zeid, a member of the Palestinian Popular Resistance
Movement. The Israelis responded by first claiming the family had been killed by
a stray Palestinian mortar shell fired at a Jewish settlement and then – a
somewhat different story – that Mr abu Zeid had been making a bomb when it
accidentally exploded, killing his children.

Within minutes, the Islamic resistance movement Hamas was threatening further
suicide attacks in retaliation. "We have 'mujahadeen' inside the Zionist entity
awaiting the signal to explode like an earthquake," a spokesman chillingly
announced. Few Israelis doubt Hamas does have suiciders ready to strike again
but, so far, not one has come from Gaza.

In Hebron, the tiny international observer force of EU monitors made the
humiliating announcement that they would no longer patrol the small Jewish area
of the city because their members had been attacked by Jewish settlers. Now
their patrols will be confined to the larger sector, which contains 120,000
Palestinians – the community that Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister, says
Mr Arafat "cannot control". No one, of course, asked whether Mr Sharon could
control the settlers who had been stoning the European observers.



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In article <9lsk8o01qdp@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>
>Here is a report on issues that "our" mass media won't present objectively.
>Jewish dominance of the mass media, including our public broadcaster, deceives
>us on issues concerning Israel's creeping takeover of the Holy Land.

... here is another version of the illegal demolition - part of the ethnic
clensing effort. Be sure ot bookmark this site to have a ready source for
checking on the spin of out contrlled media.

The Jordan Times, 21Aug01
http://www.jordantimes.com/

Israeli bulldozers smash Palestinian apartments, nursery school    
    
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israeli bulldozers destroyed two Palestinian
apartment blocks and a nursery school in occupied Jerusalem Monday, which the
Israeli occupation authorities said had been built without planning permission.
Demonstrators stood against the 30 troops who sealed off the area in the Beit
Hanina neighbourhood. Behind the army barriers, bulldozers pulverised the two
four-storey buildings and the school which were under construction.

Locals and international monitoring groups watched in silence as the buildings
toppled. The owner of the complex, Ibrahim Jolani, said the buildings had been
worth $250,000.

Jolani said he suspected the demolition was a way for the army to exact revenge
for a relative killed by Israeli police earlier this month after injuring 10
soldiers and civilians in a shooting attack.

The Israeli municipality of the occupied Palestinian city of Jerusalem claimed
Jolani did not own the land he built on and had used “gangster” tactics to scare
the real owners into reluctant silence.

The demolition orders were a response to complaints received from the
landowners, said the authorities, who did not give the name of the real owners.

The municipality also stated the land is zoned as a “green area,” used only for
parks, roads and public buildings, and that the kindergarten was going to be
used for more apartments.

Jolani claimed Israeli authorities put the demolition order on a door of one
building overnight so he would not see it, adding that the bulldozers arrived
early the next morning.

“It's common for them to put up the notice somewhere they won't see it,” said
Rabbi Arik Asherman of the Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions.

He added that such demolition orders are often overturned when they reach the
courts.

“They came like thieves in the night,” said Ahmad Tibi, an Arab Israeli MP.
“Theirs is a policy of strangulation ... in order to push Palestinians out of
East Jerusalem.”

Samir Kirish, who lives across the street from the demolition site, said: “In
Gaza and the West Bank, they drop bombs. Here they send in bulldozers. Every
house in the area is in danger.”

Forty more Arab-owned homes in East Jerusalem may be demolished, said Meir
Margalit of the Jerusalem city council, quoted by the Israeli daily Haaretz.

In the past, Israeli Mayor of the occupied Palestinian city of Jerusalem Ehud
Olmert has accused the Palestinian Authority of “financing the construction of
houses” as a counterbalance to Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem, which was
annexed by Israel in 1980.
 



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In article <9lvfuh$1uem$1@news.tht.net>, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org says...
>
>In article <9lvdsp02s55@drn.newsguy.com>,
>Kanuk   wrote:
>>In article <9lsk8o01qdp@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>>>
>>>Here is a report on issues that "our" mass media won't present objectively.
>>>Jewish dominance of the mass media, including our public broadcaster, deceives
>>>us on issues concerning Israel's creeping takeover of the Holy Land.
>>
>>... here is another version of the illegal demolition - part of the ethnic
>>clensing effort. Be sure ot bookmark this site to have a ready source for
>>checking on the spin of out contrlled media.
>>
>>The Jordan Times, 21Aug01
>>http://www.jordantimes.com/
>
>Hey, is there a story in there about how the Jordanian Army murdered
>Palestinians, rather than permit them to remain in Jordan after
>partition?
>
>By the way, when are you going to name "those Jewish guys" who "run
>the CBC?"
>
>-- 
>"In the final analysis, one does not refute a closed system, a total
>lie that is not refutable to the extent that its conclusions has
>preceded any evidence." (Vidal-Naquet, Pierra. Assassins of Memory,
>New York: Columbia University Press. p.81)

Just so readers can form their own conclusions about Kenneth McVay's reasons for
his frequent posts with little substance, they should be aware that he is funded
for these endeavours by B'nai Brith Canada. That organization is related to the
infamously powerful ADL. Please, check out this item showing up just today on
David Irving's site.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/ADLitems/asCensors.html

Remember, David Irving was targeted by B'nai Brith Canada, the Canadian Jewish
Congress and ADL in the US when he let it be known that his WWII archival
research turned up evidence (or lack of it) questioning the tales about "gas
chambers" of Auschwitz.



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In article <9m0rbk$26ks$1@news.tht.net>, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org says...
>
>
>David Irving? The British faux-historian legal labelled as a liar,
>racist, antisemite and deliberate falsifier of history> THAT David
>Irving? Is he really the best you can do, Bubba?

Indeed, I can do better than that. Look!

>From David irving's Home Page.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online

Three British Lord Justices of Appeal: "We also agree with the judge [Gray] that
[David Irving's] knowledge of World War II, his mastery of detail, along with
his ability and intelligence are not in doubt."
-----------------------------------------
Therin lies the problem for McVay and his paymasters, B'nai Brith. Irving was to
be silenced and discredited. McVay continues to try to do so. Was it not this
masrer of detail of WWII that noted that in hundreds of thousands of German
messages, secretly intercepted and decoded by the British, there was not a
single mention of "gas chambers" or deaths from gassing? We can't have that kind
of historian selling books, can we?

For an objective easy read on "The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers'" go to
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/leaflets.html at the Institute for Historical Review
(branded by ADL as a "hate site"). For the "H"olocaust industry's promos go to
McVay's site funded by B'nai Brith.



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Date: 22 Aug 2001 19:27:50 -0700
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The topic of Ariel Sharon's war crimes remains off the news in Canada. Indeed,
the controlled media usually refrain from mentioning Israel's many violations of
International Law. In Ireland, it seems banning this topic cannot be enforced -
yet.

The Belfast Telegraph, 15Aug01
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/

Justice - just leave it to Big Brother 
 
By Eamonn McCann 
 
ANY time we are tempted to believe that the Bush or Clinton administrations have
been genuine in their declarations of concern about peace and justice in
Northern Ireland, we need only think of Israel.

The hallmarks of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people are blithe
disregard for international agreements, open contempt for United Nations
resolutions, the deliberate murder of unarmed civilians and the persecution of
whole communities for the supposed misdeeds of individuals.

The key reason the Israelis get away with this atrocious behaviour is that
successive US administrations have given them unconditional support.

We are not dealing here with mere generalised support for a regime which happens
to carry out assassinations but with explicit support for the policy of
assassination.

On July 31, Israeli forces killed eight people in a missile attack in the
Palestinian town of Nablus. Six were members of Hamas, two were children under
10. Asked to comment, US vice-president Richard Cheney declared: "In Israel,
what they've done over the years, occasionally, in an effort to preempt
terrorist activities, is to go after the terrorists, and in some cases I suppose
it is justified".

Cheney clearly regarded it as irrelevant that, under international law, UN
resolution and the 'Oslo Accords' negotiated under close US supervision, Nablus
is in Palestinian territory, where the Israeli defence forces have no right to
be, much less ambush local people in a missile assault.

But then, Israel's criminality has never concerned the US. Israel long ago hired
itself out to the US as its enforcer in the Middle East and in return was given
carte blanche for butchery.

Resolution 446 of the UN Security Council declares that the 'policy and
practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other
Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a
serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace'.

Yet, day in and day out, in broad daylight and under the gaze of television
cameras, the Israelis not only build and add to existing Jewish settlements but
send in bulldozers, guarded by tanks, to destroy Palestinian settlements whose
moral and legal validity is unquestionable.

And there isn't a cheep of protest from governments which, when it suits them -
which is to say, when it suits the US - palpitate with passion about the
inviolability of UN resolutions.

Could double standards go any deeper? Well, yes. 

On a single day in June, Bush's most faithful follower, Tony Blair, welcomed
one, the arrest of Slobodan Milosevic by the UN War Crimes Tribunal at The
Hague, and two, Ariel Sharon to 10 Downing Street.

Sharon is a serial mass murderer, his crimes dating back at least to 1953 when
he personally took part in the killing of 60 Palestinians in the village of
Qibya.

As Defence Minister in 1982, he sanctioned the chopping to death of up to 2,000
Palestinian civilians, men, women and children, in the Sabra and Chatila refugee
camps on the outskirts of Beirut.

His thirst for blood whetted, as Prime Minister he now sends in the cut-throats
and helicopter gun-ships to keep up the kill rate.

There are UN tribunals to deal with war crimes in the former Yugoslavia and
Rwanda, but none to reflect even a transient interest in the war crimes of
Israel. Everybody knows why: any move at the UN to bring Israel within the remit
of international law would instantly, automatically, be vetoed by the US.

Every time our own peace process lurches into crisis, there's speculation that
the White House might intervene and put pressure on this side or that in an
effort to secure a fair outcome. All the pro-Agreement parties accept Bush as an
honest broker. They say a lot about themselves in so doing.
 



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: What if a Foreign Power Killed The Butcher?
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CBC is excitedly presenting the news of the assassination of the leader of the
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Abu Ali Mustafa. If the Palestine
Authority killed Ariel Sharon would CBC report as follows?:-
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NEWS READER: Palestinian Forces have killed the leader of an Israeli militant
organization. Ariel Sharon is the highest profile militant to be killed under
Palestine's policy of assassinating those responsible for attacks against
Palestinian civilians and soldiers. Palestine says Sharon was behind car
bombings and other attacks [...]

MIKE HORNBROOK: [...] Sharon is the highest target so far in Palestine's
campaign to eliminate Israeli militants. They accuse Sharon of being behind
dozens of attacks including a car bomb [...] Sharon was prominent in the
so-called rejectionist front - groups of extremists who oppose attempts to make
peace with Palestine. [...] His assassination will not likely go without a
response.
-------------------------------------------------
The quotes above are from CBC radio's _World Report_. I have switched the names
Ariel Sraron and Abu Ali Mustafa as well as Israel and Palestine. Do you think
CBC would justify The Butcher's death like this?

Dear Canadians. Don't waste your time trying to get fair reporting of the
situation in the Holy Land. Israel employs PR firms to get her message out to
you. She really does not neet them. Robert Rabinovich at the head of all of the
CBC will be enough to ensure that fellow Jews tell it using Israel's phrases and
Israel Asper will print Israel's words in "our" major city dailies.

News with better balance will appear later in these British newspapers
_The Independent_ http://www.independent.co.uk/
_The Guardian_ http://www.guardian.co.uk/
Try their accounts and note the difference.



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Date: 27 Aug 2001 13:21:33 -0700
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In article <3B8A8E78.54637D96@sympatico.ca>, ciceroii says...
>
>Both sides are "butchering". The only way for it to cease is for one
>side
>to win outright. As General Douglas MacArthur said in WW II, "There is
>no
>substitute for victory". All-out war, not peace negotiations is the only
>solution for Palestine and Israel. No nation can trade territory for
>peace.
>Neville Chamberlain discovered that in 1939.

The best way out is for both sides to conform to International Law.

1) Israel out of Gaza, West Bank, Syria & Jerusalem.

2) Meanwhile Israel to conform to Fourth Geneva convention wrt treatment of
civilians in time of war.

3) Israel to let Palestinians return home and compensate those that can't or
won't per UN resolve.

All the above are required of Israel. What stands in her way? ... The racism of
Zionism. No war, please. Just stick to the rules of civil order. You don't
negotiate with armed bank robbers. Why negotiate with armed land thieves?



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In article <9mdtkl0g1r@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
>
>News with better balance will appear later in these British newspapers
>_The Independent_ http://www.independent.co.uk/
>_The Guardian_ http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>Try their accounts and note the difference.
>
Here is _The Guardian_ report. A lot more informative than CBC's trash. I have
not yet read any of Israel Asper's stuff ... and probably won't.
-----------------------------------------------------
Leader's killing 'means open war' 

Israel steps up its assassination policy with a missile attack on the most
senior Palestinian leader to die during the intifada

Suzanne Goldenberg in Ramallah, and agencies
Tuesday August 28, 2001
The Guardian 

Israel yesterday claimed the highest ranking victim of its assassination policy
since the Palestinian uprising began, killing the leader of the Popular Front
for the Libertion of Israel with two missiles sent through the window of his
office in a Ramallah apartment block.
Mustafa Zibri, universally known as Abu Ali Mustafa, died working alone at his
desk.

The office is on the first floor of a block of flats in a well-do-do residential
area.

Shortly after his death at 11.15am the PFLP's military wing said that as an
"initial response" one of its groups had shot and wounded an Israeli settler
near the settlement of Itamar.

A settlers' spokesman said the motorist was critically wounded. 

To many Palestinians Mustafa had iconic status. The Marxist faction he led was
once second only to Yasser Arafat's Fatah organisation. Thousands took to the
streets in protest and there were calls for revenge from across the political
spectrum.

The explosions shattered windows and mirrors in adjoining rooms, but otherwise,
apart from scorch marks above the north and east facing windows of his corner
office, the building was eerily unscathed.

Mustafa was by far the highest ranking of the 40 Palestinians assassinated by
Israel since the intifada began.

Arguably he was the most significant since 1988, when Israeli commandos killed
Mr Arafat's lieutenant Abu Jihad in Tunis.

His assassination was a departure from Israel's strategy, which has so far
focused on eliminating activists of Mr Arafat's Fatah and the Islamist group
Hamas rather than members of leftwing factions.

His wake at a town hall a few blocks away reflected his senior status. Leaders
of Palestinian groups from Hamas to the leftwing Democratic Front for the
Liberation of Palestine paid their respects.

"At first there was a sense of shock, but now there is a sense of vengeance,"
the DFLP leader, Qais Abu Laylah, said.

"When people in the top Palestinian leadership are targeted by Israel I don't
think there is any place or range for what you may call moderation. This is an
open war."

Palestinians regarded Mustafa as a strictly political figure. Born to a humble
family near the West Bank town of Jenin, he was for years the right hand of the
veteran leader George Habash.

An opponent of the peace accords with Israel, he returned from exile, with
Israel's permission, in 1999, and succeeded to the leadership of the PFLP 16
months ago.

Once the second largest faction in the PLO, the PFLP has been on the sidelines
in recent years as Hamas and other Islamist groups strengthen their hold. But it
has been an emerging military force in the uprising, and carried out a string of
car bombings in Israel. None caused Israeli fatalities.

The Israeli army said Mustafa was directly responsible for the car bombings. Its
statement said he "invested most of his energy in establishing covert
underground military cells of the PFLP". But it offered no proof that he was
dir- ectly involved.

Mustafa was killed only hours after the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, convened
his closest cabinet ministers, including the foreign minister, Shimon Peres, to
order an increase in the assassination of Palestinian activists.

A potential successor to the PFLP leadership, Abdul Rahim Maluah, said the
strategy would backfire.

"The Israelis have gone through all the red lines when they assassinate a person
like Abu Ali Mustafa," he said. "This has reached the highest levels of the
Palestinian leadership and they must know beyond a doubt that their decision
will have consequences."

In addition to the prominence of the target, yesterday's attack stood out for
its sheer audacity. Three of the eight flats in the building attacked are
occupied by Palestinian families holding US passports.

"I was sitting at my desk drawing a rose, and then went out to get a banana from
the kitchen for Haneen," said Leila Daas, 10.

"We were just at the door when the blast happened, and then we all started
running and screaming."

Mustafa's neighbours said they had little to do with him, and had assumed his
presence in the building did not compromise their safety because he was a
political leader.

But his bodyguard, Fadi Abu Salah, said he had been acting like a hunted man for
months: staggering his arrival at the office and changing vehicles.

"The Israelis possess high technology. They have satellites and their
collaborators and spies. It is obvious that a well known leader will always be
followed by Israel, and by collaborators," he said.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: CBC: The Voice of Israel in Canada
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With Robert Rabinovich at its head and Jews in key programming and editorial
posts from top to bottom, CBC is a very important instrument of propaganda for
Zionist operatives in Canada.

_World Report_ on CBC radio is the most listened to morning news program - and
so an important medium for any propagandist. I have extracted from today's
broadcast examples of how the Jewish grip on "our" CBC is deceiving us about the
situation in the Holy Land.

In chronological order with my comments in [square brackets]:-
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NEWS READER: Israeli tanks are in the West Bank. [They have been there for
decades.] ... Israel says the force is there for security reasons and will not
stay long. [CBC passing along Israel's message.]

MIKE HORNBROOK: Israeli tanks and troops supported by helicopter gun ships
rolled into Beit Jala in the middle of the night after hours of gunfire from
Palestinian militants. [Presenting Israel's justification. Israel has troops.
Palestinians have militants.] For months Palestinians have been using houses in
Beit Jala to shoot at the neighbouring Israeli community of Gilo. [No indication
of why Palestinians might want to shoot at Gilo. And the master deception by
telling us only that Gilo is an "Israeli community". Note the use of the cozy
"community" rather than the usual "settlement". Gilo is not in Israel. It is
built on stolen land in the West Bank. It is therefore not "Israeli". It is,
however, exclusively for Jews only. How about "the illegal Jewish settlement of
Gilo"?]

His patience at an end, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had warned that the army
would move if one more bullet was fired at the Jewish community. [Israel's
message that naughty Palestinians must be disciplined.] ... Palestinian rage
produced a sustained attack on Gilo. [CBC passes on Israel's message again
-wicked Palestinians.]

DORE GOLD: Israel's capital has been under fire for more than ten months
repeatedly, not once, not twice but dozens of times. That threat has to be
eliminated. [Even Israel's extremely absurd message is rammed into our heads by
allowing their best spokesman free air time to pretend that Gilo is Israel's
capital. The truth is that not even Jerusalem is accepted by the world as
Israel's capital and no-one will put their embassies there. CBC offer no
challenge to this deception. They assist in our indoctrination.]

MIKE HORNBROOK: It's clear that Israeli patience has snapped after a weekend
that saw seven soldiers and civilians killed by Palestinians. [Hornbrook now
adds his reinforcement of Israel's desired image as Israelis supervising then
disciplining delinquent Palestinians. The justification of punishment is
repeated in the final line of the report.] ... The Israelis seem poised to use
whatever force seems necessary to punish the Palestinians.
-----------------------------------------

With the Jewish boys and their fronts at CBC Toronto cunningly presenting
Israel's propaganda I propose a new slogan for "Canada's" public broadcaster -
"CBC: The Voice of Israel in Canada".



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From: Kanuk 
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In article , "tim says...
>
>Put up or shut up little boy.  Name these supposed Jews.  For that matter
>name the "Zionist operatives."  [...]

Tim Gueguen is a Zionist operative ... ranging dozens of newsgroups where
Zionism is criticized ... creating diversions, name calling, obfuscation ...
anything but addressing the substance of Zionism. In his post he changed the
header - removing "CBC:" - which I have now restored.

I wonder if Tim believes Canadians are being fairly informed when "our" public
broadcaster echos Israel's line that Gilo is (part of) Israel's capital. The
Zionists cleansed that land of Palestinians, their crops and homes then built
for the occupancy of Jews only. That is the essence of Zionism. CBC was silent
on this.

Last night on The National, Zionist operatives within CBC Toronto included a
clip of a Jew in Gilo to reinforce Israel's line:-
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UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Any other place, I know Washington, DC, or any other place in
Canada, if they would start shooting at the capital, they would take it over in
seconds. Here they've been waiting for a month, almost a year.
----------------------
Palestinians were allegedly shooting at Gilo. The clip could very well have been
rehearsed and staged for the cameras - a frequent ploy of Israel's PR
operatives. Anyway, it was precisely Israel's line.

How many keen observers have noted how CBC Toronto frequently broadcast clips
>from eloquent Jews such as the "unidentified man" and Dore Gold but when they do
give Palestinians air time the editors select Arabs whose English is barely
comprehensible.



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From: Kanuk 
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Date: 30 Aug 2001 15:29:28 -0700
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In article <9mm9h4$1qi1$1@news.tht.net>, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org says...
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>In article , Bb8  wrote:
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>[...]
>
>>My point, "Carter", is that the Israelis are doing the exact same thing!!!
>
>Nonsense. Where are the gas chambers? Where are the mobile gas vans
>and Battalion-strength killing squads? Where are the mass graves?
>

Historians are asking the same questions about WWII. In the Jewish controlled
mass news and entertainment media, of course, no such questions are permitted to
be asked. Now, for those of you who see evidence of deception in the telling of
current events in the Holy Land, why not cast a suspicious glance at the same
people describing alleged events of WWII.

>How come there are more Palestinians now than there were 25 years ago
>if the Israelis are "doing the exact same thing"?
>

Historians are asking a version of this question about the alleged six million
...

>-- 
> "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
>scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the 
>most basic requirements of honest and competent historical 
>research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70) 

When historians, like Irving, present contrary evidence of events of WWII, the
same people must discredit them. Thus McVay receives money from B'nai Brith
Canada and in return pushes the Zionist version of events in the Middle East and
in WWII and discredits those who hold contrary views.

I'm amazed at how people fail to extend their recognition of Jewish enforced
false news to Jewish enforced false history.



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>> In article <9mmeo8023ip@drn.newsguy.com>,
>> Kanuk   wrote:
>>
>>>Historians are asking the same questions about WWII. In the Jewish controlled
>>>mass news and entertainment media, of course, no such questions are permitted
>>to be asked.

>In article , "Don" says...
>
>Please.  Kanuk constantly makes assertions of so called individuals whom he can
>never name.  Could it be that they don't exists?
>

The following banned essay lists many, many names of Jews controlling the mass
news and entertainment media south of the border.
http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/

Now, since the 49th parallel is no barrier to the the flow of information or
corporate control, the situation in Canada is similar. Someone just has to spend
many hours assembling it.



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From: Kanuk 
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For the past few days, the media have been telling us that the Durban conference
on anti-racism is controversial. For example, last night's _The National_ on CBC
TV presented the leader to its lead story with these words:

PETER MANSBRIDGE: Good evening. ... Canada gets ready to pull out of a
controversial anti-racism conference.

When the controlled media want to generate a controversy, they simply declare
one. But, don't be fooled by their deception. It is not the anti-racism
conference that is controversial it is the Zionism=racism issue that is. Surely,
a conference to discuss race relations cannot be a bad thing.

The Jewish lobbies in Canada want to declare a "controversy". They use their
media connections to declare one. They then create a diversion away from their
cherished but extremely evil Zionism. Thus, there will be no discussion of
Zionism ... What is it? ... What are its pros and cons?

The Jewish lobbies have leaned heavily on Manley and he has caved in. (Contrast
his lack of courage to stand up to the Jews with the children of the Intifada.)
Now the controlled media will do the PR work to back him up. Last night CBC TV
left no doubt about how we should regard the situation:

PETER MANSBRIDGE: ... Ottawa has all but decided to walk away from the
controversial conference on racism. The only way that could change, a
last-minute deal to soften a resolution on Israel and Zionism. ...

MOSCOVITZ: Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister chose not to go because Canada
never accepted the resolution equating Zionism with racism. ...

HEDY FRY (Secretary of State): ... there comes a time where you have to make
your decisions about whether it's going to be an impossible task.

JOHN MANLEY (Minister of Foreign Affairs): It hasn't been a good experience for
the world community. It's not a good experience for the United Nations ...

STOCKWELL DAY (Leader of the Opposition): ... The Canadian delegation should
come home. ...

There you have the message stated five times by five people. But there was no
discussion on the Zionism=Racism issue. Nor will there ever be in the Jewish
controlled media. It's the same strategy employed with other sacred Jewish
issues - such as the alleged "gas chambers" of Auschwitz - deliver the dogma 
repeatedly by many people, but never, never, never allow discussion of the issue
in the mass media.



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For the past few days, the media have been telling us that the Durban conference
on anti-racism is controversial. For example, last night's _The National_ on CBC
TV presented the leader to its lead story with these words:

PETER MANSBRIDGE: Good evening. ... Canada gets ready to pull out of a
controversial anti-racism conference.

When the controlled media want to generate a controversy, they simply declare
one. But, don't be fooled by their deception. It is not the anti-racism
conference that is controversial it is the Zionism=racism issue that is. Surely,
a conference to discuss race relations cannot be a bad thing.

The Jewish lobbies in Canada want to declare a "controversy". They use their
media connections to declare one. They then create a diversion away from their
cherished but extremely evil Zionism. Thus, there will be no discussion of
Zionism ... What is it? ... What are its pros and cons?

The Jewish lobbies have leaned heavily on Manley and he has caved in. (Contrast
his lack of courage to stand up to the Jews with the children of the Intifada.)
Now the controlled media will do the PR work to back him up. Last night CBC TV
left no doubt about how we should regard the situation:

PETER MANSBRIDGE: ... Ottawa has all but decided to walk away from the
controversial conference on racism. The only way that could change, a
last-minute deal to soften a resolution on Israel and Zionism. ...

MOSCOVITZ: Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister chose not to go because Canada
never accepted the resolution equating Zionism with racism. ...

HEDY FRY (Secretary of State): ... there comes a time where you have to make
your decisions about whether it's going to be an impossible task.

JOHN MANLEY (Minister of Foreign Affairs): It hasn't been a good experience for
the world community. It's not a good experience for the United Nations ...

STOCKWELL DAY (Leader of the Opposition): ... The Canadian delegation should
come home. ...

There you have the message stated five times by five people. But there was no
discussion on the Zionism=Racism issue. Nor will there ever be in the Jewish
controlled media. It's the same strategy employed with other sacred Jewish
issues - such as the alleged "gas chambers" of Auschwitz - deliver the dogma 
repeatedly by many people, but never, never, never allow discussion of the issue
in the mass media.

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From Kanuk_member@newsguy.com Tue Nov  6 18:03:27 EST 2001
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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: CBC Headline -Arabs Wrangling with European Union
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In their strange coverage of the UN's World Conference against Racism, CBC Radio
in their Saturday morning news presented this racist headline for their "top
story" - "Arabs wrangling with the European Union"

Perceptive listeners might not gullible soak up this rhetoric but consider this
to be the careful writings of Jewish operatives within CBC Toronto. Please, read
on and think about this.

Why do you think Arabs would wrangle with the EU? There is no conference issue
dividing Arabs and the EU.

The EU have issues with the former slave trade ... but CBC's headline was not
"Blacks wrangling with European Union"

The Arabs have issues with the Jews ...but the headline was not "Arabs wrangling
with Jews".

So you've guessed it. The issue was Israel - with her well established Israeli
lobbies operating covertly within the EU delegations ... and the Jewish boys at
CBC would have us believe the even the European Union is at odds with the Arabs.

In a later newscast, CBC reports that a communique was hammered out, but a
spokesperson for Hedi Fry stood up to dissociate Canada from the bit criticizing
Israel. In doing so, of course, he was not acting in the interests of Canadians
but for the powerful Jewish lobby pulling the strings. ... Just as when John
Manley refused to go, he too was putting the Jewish lobbies' agenda before that
of Canadians ... just as when Colin Powell had done earlier.

I note that in recent days CBC is no longer trying to discredit the UN
conference and the UN itself for "picking on Israel". They have provided a small
amount of news on some other substantive issues from the conference but still
emphasize the Middle East item. However, CBC have adopted a different approach.
Reference to Zionism has been dropped and replaced with "the plight of the
Palestinians". Listen for it.

Now, if any of you Zionist supporters do not think "Arabs wrangling with the
European Union" is a somewhat racist statement, having the effect of smearing
Israel's enemies, please feel free to address that point. And if you don't think
the "wrangling" was really with the Jewish lobbies rather than the EU, please
feel free to supply your alternate ideas. Please try to stay away from name
calling. Thank you.



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In article <3B9A669A.DA747DE5@yahoo.com>, Wolfgang says...
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>
>
>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
>
>> In article <9ndhrp014lr@drn.newsguy.com>,
>> Kanuk   wrote:
>>>In their strange coverage of the UN's World Conference against Racism, CBC
>>Radio
>> >in their Saturday morning news presented this racist headline for their "top
>> >story" - "Arabs wrangling with the European Union"
>> >
>>>Perceptive listeners might not gullible soak up this rhetoric but consider this
>>>to be the careful writings of Jewish operatives within CBC Toronto. Please,
>>read
>>
>> Who are these "Jewish operatives within CBC Toronto," Marc?
>>
>> --
>>  "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
>> scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the
>> most basic requirements of honest and competent historical
>> research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70)
>
>check out:  http://www.current.org/rad/rad710d.html
>
>It quotes CBC radio editor Jeffrey Dvorkin as ""People trust public radio in
>Canada
>and the U.S. because the quality of information is so
>                         reliable,"
>
>Let us not puke too much as we read this.

Dvorkin continues to be on the NPR payroll - now as Ombudsman. So there's not
much point in complaining about pro-Israel bias there. Do any of you Zionist
posters know whether "our" CBC Ombudsman is a Jew. (I know he - David Bazay I
think - has connections in Israel.) Typically, this is a position in which the
Jewish lobbies will plant one of their own.

Prior to joining NPR, Dvorkin was "chief journalist and managing editor of CBC's
radio news operation". Do any of you Zionist posters know who the current
managing editor is? This is the position in the broadcast and print media where
we find the levers to control editorial spin. In our major city newspapers
Israel Asper typically ensures that the Managing Editors are Jews.

When Dvorkin moved from the CBC to NPR I wondered about the loyalty of this
Canadian moving from a senior position in our national institution to a foreign
post. Was his first loyalty to Canada or Israel? And now, is he loyal to the USA
or ...?



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In article ,
7h3_Fr13nd1y_P0rn06raph3r@salmahayeksknockers.edu says...
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>In can.general Kanuk  wrote:
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>> Dvorkin continues to be on the NPR payroll - now as Ombudsman. So there's not
>> much point in complaining about pro-Israel bias there. Do any of you Zionist
>> posters know whether "our" CBC Ombudsman is a Jew. (I know he - David Bazay I
>>think - has connections in Israel.) Typically, this is a position in which the
>> Jewish lobbies will plant one of their own.
>
>Kanuk, such speculation, without concrete evidence, greatly weakens your
>position and your credibility.

Indeed, much of what I suggest is speculation - I assume obviously so for
inquisitive readers who come here. However, it is not groundless speculation and
evidence is not left lying about for me to post.

As an example, I speculate that when the presidency of the CBC became vacant, at
least one Jewish organization, such as the Canadian Jewish Congress, lobbied for
their man, Robert Rabinovich, to be appointed to that post. There is no
disclosure on who did any lobbying so we won't know for sure. Once appointed, I
speculate that Rabinovich remembers who got him the job and will loyally do what
he can for them.

I assume that Dvorkin went through a similar process and that by easily moving
to the US he had no particularly strong loyalty to Canada. After all, management
of the CBC involves quite different goals from running a for profit corporation
where cross border transfers are common.

When I note the nearly complete editorial control by Jews over our mass media I
speculate on the reason for this condition and seek explanations from others.
What I express here is my most reasonable explanation. Postings by others
influence my views - even the name callers help me decide.

For those who deny Jewish control over Canada's media I point to the well
documented situation in the US in the _Who Rules America_ essay.
http://www.natall.com/index.html I seek an explanation for the tiny Jewish
minority controlling so much. Is there any better answer than that it came about
and is maintained because Jewish control of the mass media is a goal of the
Jewish lobbies?



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A few hours after the destruction of US symbols of financial and military power,
the battle for the minds of we lemmings is well under way. Watch on your TV for
two themes:

1) Attempts to distance Israel from the motive of the perpetrators - you might
hear mostly silence.
2) Coalition building - attempts to gather us with the forces of the "good" all
together with Israel against the forces of evil and terror.

In the first few hours, the Jewish media are bringing their people to our TV
screens to set our minds their way. Here are some examples from the first few
hours.

A) BBC World - Steven Simon (Jew?), International Institute for Security
Studies.

B) ??? - Jeffrey Dvorkin (Jew), National Public Radio's Ombudsman

C) CNN TV - Samuel Berger (Jew), Fmr. National Security Adviser

D) ??? - Richard Holbrook, (Jew), Fmr. Envoy to the UN

E) BBC World - Frank Gaffney (Jew?), Centre for Security Studies? ...

F) BBC World - Daniel Plesch, (Jew?), Security Analyst

G) BBC World - James Rubin, (Jew), Fmr. Assistant Secretary of State. When asked
to explain a motive all he can say is, "... Osama Bin Laden ... is opposed to
civilization ..." - no mention of Israel.

H) BBC World - Ehud Barak, (Jew), Fmr. Israeli PM (sitting around same table as
Rubin). His messages are about "rogue states" - (all of them Israels enemies, of
course) and coalition building, " ...Western civilization is at war with
terrorism ...)

I) BBC World - Shimon Peres, (Jew), Israeli Foreign Minister. Note how his
message is similar to Barak's. He says, "it is an attack on civilization and
humanity."

Never, never trust the media at a time of political crisis. The Zionist's PR
task forces are probably working overtime to develop the themes for their media
operatives to push. This is a vital issue to the continuation of the Zionist
march through Palestine. If the public see Israel as the root cause and end the
financing and arming of Israel, the Zionist movement will suffer a serious
setback. But that won't happen. The Jews will use the media to mold public
opinion their way.

For those of you who are now coming round to understanding how Jews manipulate
public opinion, please, watch and listen critically, for the mass media (1)
distancing Israel from the root cause and simultaneously, (2) recruiting us into
Israel's camp.

If I were King there would be a free press offering diverse views - including
rationale for the attacks and reasons why so many millions are today dancing in
the streets.



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Robert Fisk makes the Israeli connection in a way the Jews won't in Canada.
The Independent 12Sep01
http://www.independent.co.uk/
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The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people

By Robert Fisk
12 September 2001

So it has come to this. The entire modern history of the Middle East ­ the
collapse of the Ottoman empire, the Balfour declaration, Lawrence of Arabia's
lies, the Arab revolt, the foundation of the state of Israel, four Arab-Israeli
wars and the 34 years of Israel's brutal occupation of Arab land ­ all erased
within hours as those who claim to represent a crushed, humiliated population
struck back with the wickedness and awesome cruelty of a doomed people. Is it
fair ­ is it moral ­ to write this so soon, without proof, when the last act of
barbarism, in Oklahoma, turned out to be the work of home-grown Americans? I
fear it is. America is at war and, unless I am mistaken, many thousands more are
now scheduled to die in the Middle East, perhaps in America too. Some of us
warned of "the explosion to come''. But we never dreamt this nightmare.

And yes, Osama bin Laden comes to mind, his money, his theology, his frightening
dedication to destroy American power. I have sat in front of bin Laden as he
described how his men helped to destroy the Russian army in Afghanistan and thus
the Soviet Union. Their boundless confidence allowed them to declare war on
America. But this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world will
be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American missiles
smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles into a
Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a village called
Qana and about a Lebanese militia ­ paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally
­ hacking and raping and murdering their way through refugee camps.

No, there is no doubting the utter, indescribable evil of what has happened in
the United States. That Palestinians could celebrate the massacre of 20,000,
perhaps 35,000 innocent people is not only a symbol of their despair but of
their political immaturity, of their failure to grasp what they had always been
accusing their Israeli enemies of doing: acting disproportionately. All the
years of rhetoric, all the promises to strike at the heart of America, to cut
off the head of "the American snake'' we took for empty threats. How could a
backward, conservative, undemocratic and corrupt group of regimes and small,
violent organisations fulfil such preposterous promises? Now we know.

And in the hours that followed yesterday's annihilation, I began to remember
those other extraordinary assaults upon the US and its allies, miniature now by
comparison with yesterday's casualties. Did not the suicide bombers who killed
241 American servicemen and 100 French paratroops in Beirut on 23 October 1983,
time their attacks with unthinkable precision?

There were just seven seconds between the Marine bombing and the destruction of
the French three miles away. Then there were the attacks on US bases in Saudi
Arabia, and last year's attempt ­ almost successful it now turns out ­ to sink
the USS Cole in Aden. And then how easy was our failure to recognise the new
weapon of the Middle East which neither Americans nor any other Westerners could
equal: the despair-driven, desperate suicide bomber.

And there will be, inevitably, and quite immorally, an attempt to obscure the
historical wrongs and the injustices that lie behind yesterday's firestorms. We
will be told about "mindless terrorism'', the "mindless" bit being essential if
we are not to realise how hated America has become in the land of the birth of
three great religions.

Ask an Arab how he responds to 20,000 or 30,000 innocent deaths and he or she
will respond as decent people should, that it is an unspeakable crime. But they
will ask why we did not use such words about the sanctions that have destroyed
the lives of perhaps half a million children in Iraq, why we did not rage about
the 17,500 civilians killed in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. And those
basic reasons why the Middle East caught fire last September ­ the Israeli
occupation of Arab land, the dispossession of Palestinians, the bombardments and
state-sponsored executions ... all these must be obscured lest they provide the
smallest fractional reason for yesterday's mass savagery.

No, Israel was not to blame ­ though we can be sure that Saddam Hussein and the
other grotesque dictators will claim so ­ but the malign influence of history
and our share in its burden must surely stand in the dark with the suicide
bombers. Our broken promises, perhaps even our destruction of the Ottoman
Empire, led inevitably to this tragedy. America has bankrolled Israel's wars for
so many years that it believed this would be cost-free. No longer so. But, of
course, the US will want to strike back against "world terror'', and last
night's bombardment of Kabul may have been the opening salvo. Indeed, who could
ever point the finger at Americans now for using that pejorative and sometimes
racist word "terrorism''?

Eight years ago, I helped to make a television series that tried to explain why
so many Muslims had come to hate the West. Last night, I remembered some of
those Muslims in that film, their families burnt by American-made bombs and
weapons. They talked about how no one would help them but God. Theology versus
technology, the suicide bomber against the nuclear power. Now we have learnt
what this means.



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In article <3b9eb8c7@news.sentex.net>, hs@heaven.nirvananet says...
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>it was already a pretty sad event before you decided to use it for
>your sick spin doctoring.  do you have a hitler icon in your bedroom?
>
>hs

Spin doctoring was *MY* point. The media bosses are lining up Jews for their
staged TV appearances. I named the many Jews I had seen on TV in the first few
hours.

In the hours since I note three more Jews, all spinning this attack to prepare
us for a wider conflict - the word "war" is now being used at the highest
levels.

1) There was James Rubin again. He's so phoney that its obvious. He seems to on
constant stanby to push the bin Laden theory.

2) On CBC radio yesterday we had Norman Specter, former publisher(?) of the
Jerusalem Post.

3) On BBC World today, Casper Weinberger, Fmr. US Secretary of Defense upping
the ante.

The coalition building is well underway. The media have trotted out Tony Blair,
Jean Chretien and Chris Patten offering support.

Chris Patten, EU External Affairs Commissioner, offers typical double standard
utterances to reinforce the intended mindset. He spoke today of "[an] attack on
decency in the world ...", "It is wrong to kill innocent people." and " [we
must] stand up for civilized values".

No he is not referring to Israel but all three statements apply. Where were his
concerns for "attacks on decency", "killing innocent people" and "civilized
values" when Israel was attacking Palestine last week, smashing up Lebanon's
civilian infrastructure last year or when the "allies" were destroying Iraq's
civilization last decade?

Don't trust the media at all at this time. It is maonly all staged and
coordinated with the politicians so that we appear to "all stand united
together".



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In article <9no95p02t40@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
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>Spin doctoring was *MY* point. The media bosses are lining up Jews for their
>staged TV appearances. I named the many Jews I had seen on TV in the first few
>hours.

Within an hour of posting the previous one, BBC World has paraded yet another
Jew before the world - Martin Indyk.

Indyk came to the limelight of the Clinton administration from the shadows of
the secretive, all-powerful AIPAC lobby. He was part of the fake "peace process"
- a period when the Zionists used the lull to make great advances into
Palestine. He went on to be the US Ambassador to Israel and is now with the
Brookings Institute - whatever that really is.

Indyk's background makes obvious his spin on TV. He too was repeating the "act
of war" message saying it "requires an overwhelming response from the civilized
world". So there you have it. He too is upping the ante and conditioning us go
get on side for war.

Yesterday, CBC radio quoted another Jew, Henry Kissinger, as advising a severe
military response. Kissinger was part of the same fake "peace process" years
back. He associates with known Zionists. However, he is not likely to be used
much in the current campaign because he is now being sued for his role in the
assassination of a Chilean General when the US itself perpetrated an act of war
against Chile.

Do not trust the Jewish media at this time. They want us to go to war for Israel
... again. They are working on us every moment. You now have about a dozen
pro-Israel operatives named by me.

Stop all the terrorism by ending military and financial support for Israel.



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In article <3ba017a1.1673737@news.telus.net>, degoos@telus.net says...
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>Kanuk  wrote:
>SNIPPED
>>
>>Stop all the terrorism by ending military and financial support for Israel.
>>
> How would ending support for the only democracy in the entire Middle East
>protect other world democracies from murderous acts by fanatics ?
>
>Can't you reason at all ?
>
>Dennis

"The only democracy in the Middle East" ranks with other propaganda lies of the
Zionist movement like, "making the desert bloom" and "a (empty) land for a
people for a people without land".

However, just one point on democracy. The reason for the Sept 11 attack is
almost certainly US support for Israel's violations of international law and
norms - not for US support of a democracy. The US's "special relationship" with
Israel is not itself democratic.

The issue is never presented at election time as part of a policy platform -
except in New York. I have little doubt that if there were an public open debate
followed by an expression of the will of the people, there would be no such
policy.

Instead, the US's "special relationship" is imposed by special relationships
between US law makers and the powerful Israel lobbies. Each congressman is given
the incentive to go along with financial, military and political measures for
Israel and against her enemies in return for favors, mostly media support.

It would be nice to have that public debate about support for Israel - but, as
is evident by the absence of media linkage to the Israeli policy for the revenge
attack, you can deduce that the controlled media will not be the medium for that
discussion.



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From: Kanuk 
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In article , "tim says...
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>
>"b1bqyx37"  wrote in message
>news:3BA3F6FF.4A3ED2CD@sympatico.ca...
>> Richard Holbrook is of scottish origine you asshole
>>
>You'll have to forgive Kanuk.  Like many of his ilk anyone he doesn't like
>is "guilty" of being Jewish until proven innocent.  And please don't take
>his claims of sympathy for the Palestinians seriously.  After all he has
>made frequent reference to the material of organisations such as the
>National Alliance, who will be only too happy to get around to eliminating
>Arabs after eliminating the main focus of their sociopathy, the Jews.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

Picking up on the reference to the National Alliance, this weekend's American
Dissident Voices broadcast is entitled "Who Is Guilty". Check it out
http://www.natall.com/index.html
Newsgroup readers will form their own opinions on the National Alliance and
aspects of their musings - Tim Gueguen's smear not-with-standing.

To give a hint about who is guilty, I briefly develop the idea from this
broadcast a bit further. The policy imposed on America to support Israel's
atrocities is the work of Israeli operatives. I place Tim Gueguen (small
insignificant fry) in that category - those who have lied, told half truths,
deceived, misrepresented, smeared, intimidated, bullied and blackmailed to
enforce the "special relationship" with Israel all have blood on their hands
today.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Attacks - Terrorist or Retaliation?
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The Jewish Telegraph Agency reports
http://www.jta.org/index.asp
-----------------------------------
Reuters news agency has asked journalists to refrain from using the terms
"terrorist" or "freedom fighter," except in cases of direct quotations, when
describing the events surrounding the Sept. 11 attacks. "We do not characterize
the subjects of news stories but instead report their actions, identity and
background," the company said in a written statement, adding that the guidelines
are important for the safety of reporters in dangerous areas around the world.
Also, the Religion Newswriters Association said it is troubled by phrases like
"Islamic terrorist" and passed a resolution telling journalists they should
avoid terms "that seem to associate an entire religion with the actions of a
few."
------------------------------------

... and yet since the attacks of Sep 11th, all of the establishment media have
consistently characterized the attacks for us - as "terrorist". The reason is
that our media is carefully controlled and intent upon shaping our perception of
events. I don't want the CBC telling me over and over and over that these were
"terrorist attacks" - nor should they. Needless to say the propaganda works well
when all the mass media present the same view all the time - the tragedy of
unified media control that will have serious consequences for Canadians on this
issue alone.

My characterization of the attacks is  "retaliation attacks". But how does the
media explain the motivation? Generally, they don't and have avoided discussion
of the motivation - perhaps a crime without a motivation?

The media did broadcast George Bush saying that these people just don't like our
freedoms. As David Irving puts it in one of his recent _Radical's Diary_ entries
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online
----------------
Yeah, right: The bathrobed, be-turbaned gentleman, sitting in his cave, unable
now even to use his cellphone safely, decides to smite the Twin Towers saying,
"If there's one thing about the Americans I can't stand it's their freedom."

Think again, George: It may have been something else you were doing that upset
them.
-----------------
Or what about James Rubin's explanation that these terrorists are "against
humanity"? James Rubin was on BBC World TV twice in the first 30 hours after the
tragedy spouting this stuff. He is only one of many Israeli operatives telling
us how we should regard the event - all sending similar messages. As stated
above, get different people to say the same thing over and over without any
alternative and the masses swallow it ... or get cynical.

That careful mass media control was breached a little on Sep 12. On BBC World
TV, Robert McNamara (Sp?), former Secretary of Defense under the J.F Kennedy
administration was in the interviewee's chair. He said there were two thing we
should do - yes, go after the perpetrators but also consider the cause. He never
did explain the second point because the interviewer stutteringly interrupted to
say that he must end right there to move on to other things. Total interview
time was a matter of second.

Why were James Rubin, Henry Kissinger, Casper Weinberger, Norman Spectre, Martin
Indyk, Jeffrey Dvorkin, Samuel Berger, Shimon Peres, Richard Holbrook and the
rest of the fellow travelers so keen to broadcast that we should bomb Osama bin
Laden? Answer: they are shifting the blame. All of the above listed have acted
as Israeli operatives, imposing the "special relationship" between the US and
Israel. The policy to arm, finance, provide military intelligence and diplomatic
donations to Israel are NOT driven by American grass-roots electoral pressure -
that tragic policy is the result of the power of the Israel lobby.

Those lobbyists and their operatives are responsible for the disastrous policy
and bear the guilt of the motivation for the retaliation attack - unless it can
be spun as just a "terrorist" attack. The controlled media will never broadcast
a free discussion on the question of "support" for Israel. If they allowed this
years back, the WTC towers would still be standing.

And, we have Israeli operatives in the CBC deceiving us daily, to have Canadians
brainwashed about Middle East politics. These secretive manipulators too, bear
some responsibility for what has happened and for herding us into the same armed
camp as our neighbours to the south.



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In article <3BB7DE73.ED81B4F2@oceania.org>, Winston says...
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>	I would like to reply to the content, however I am too afraid that big
>bro is watching.  I saw a message scrolling by on CNN today that said
>"if your not fighting terrorism, you are for it"!  I do agree that there
>would appear to be more than meets the eye.  However its much like the
>JFK happenings.  We will never know the truth.  Just the fact that its
>kept hidden for all these years makes me wonder what else are we not
>learning about.  I think we are like blind sheep.  However its not our
>fault is it?  We are not in control.  

We are not in control. We elect our representatives to govern for ourselves then
they get sucked in by the powerful lobbies. They then put the demands of the
lobbies first. These is my thoughts on the state of US democracy.

No election campaign for congress (except New York) presented a platform with a
plank to arm, finance and provide diplomatic support for Israel. But Congressmen
succumb to the multi-million dollar effort of the Israel lobbies. These Israeli
operatives put Israel ahead of the US - motivated and united by the concept of
being God's chosen people etc.. Israeli agents have a tool not available to any
other lobby - control over the media. If the Congressman goes along, he will get
favourable media coverage and likely re-elected. If not, he will be defeated by
some real or fabricated smear campaign.

The American people never asked their politicians to support Israel and go after
her enemies. The lobbies and Israeli operatives did. Yet 7,000 ordinary
Americans have paid with their lives in the retribution attacks.

Guilt belongs with the corrupted politicians and arm-twisting Israeli operatives
be they in and out of the media. These are the people now uniting to shift the
blame to people in mountains caves half way round the world. The lack of mass
media diversity of opinion gives us a clue that this "war on terrorism" is a
collaborated diversion. Retaliation lead to retaliation ... and many Americans
understand this. It's just that the mass media will not allow that view to be
broadcast.

Although no dissent is permitted in the mass media we do find some on the
Internet. The latest _American Dissident Voices_ broadcast gives an accurate
portrayal of the situation. Well worth considering.
http://www.natall.com/index.html

Frequently we resist the truth because it disturbs our peaceful equilibrium.



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From: Kanuk 
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In article <3bb80852.44129699@news.telus.net>, degoos@telus.net says...
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>Nothing beyond the motive to cause terror is required. That is exactly what
>makes it a terrorist attack. Just think !

By this reasoning the controlled media immediately decided they knew that the
motive was simply to cause terror. That's highly unlikely. They just don't know.
Logic leads us to surmise that the motive was revenge or punishment for US
policies in the Mid East.

>[...]
>You can't expunge the guilt of the terrorists and their
>supporters with euphemisms.

The Jewish controlled media attempt to do this all the time when Israel is the
aggressor.

When Israel uses US made F-16s and laser guided missiles to destroy military and
civilian targets in Palestine or Lebanon, the controlled media typically
characterize this as a "response".

When the other side hijack aircraft to destroy military and civilian targets in
USA, the controlled media immediately characterize this as "terrorism" - and
call for war against yet another of Israel's enemies.

Reuters is telling its reporters to stick to reporting the events and not
characterize them. The controlled media is repeating "terrorist attack" to
condition us to accept war - very, very dangerous.



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In article <9paneh$2f4u$1@news.tht.net>, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org says...
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>In article <9pa57a0mgd@drn.newsguy.com>,
>Kanuk   wrote:

>>We are not in control. We elect our representatives to govern for
>>ourselves then they get sucked in by the powerful lobbies. They then
>>put the demands of the lobbies first.

>"We?" You're a Canadian, Bubba.

The same political temptations exist in Canada ... and France, and Australia,
and Germany, and Britain ...

For example, when the our government decided not to have Manley go to the Durban
conference against racism where the Zionism=Racism issue was in focus, Chretien
was going along with the Jewish lobby. Canadians did not elect him to go to
Ottawa to represent Israel. He does so because in return he gets favourable
media coverage - no more about Shawinigate for instance.

Another example. Late last year, in the UN General Assembly, a dozen resolutions
dealing with the Occupied Territories were presented - as thy are every year. On
the resolution affirming the right of Palestinians to self determine their
future, Chretien had Canada, for the first time ever, abstain. I say, Chretien
was representing the interests of the Israel lobby in defiance of Canadian
values. He knew that the controlled media would not report his action - and none
did.

It's corruption. To enhance his popularity ratings, Chretien stoops. We lose. If
this rot becomes as endemic here as it is in the US, how long will it be before
the victims in the Middle East retaliate against, not Chretien, but ordinary
Canadians?

The best way to avoid terrorism is for our Government to implement fair
policies.



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In article <9p7inv01eib@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
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>[...]
>My characterization of the attacks is  "retaliation attacks". But how does the
>media explain the motivation? Generally, they don't and have avoided discussion
>of the motivation - perhaps a crime without a motivation?
>[...]

Found this in can.politics and present the last few lines only.
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The Office of Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney 
     Special Order Remarks 
     September 21, 2001
 
Mr. Speaker,

Our armed forces are poised to conduct military strikes in foreign lands. [...]
[...]
[...]
But what frustrates me most is that no one in a position of leadership in our
nation has yet sought to seriously ask why has our nation been attacked in this
way. Why have our cities, our embassies and our military forces been
systematically targeted by terrorist organizations. Why is it that our nation
and its people are being attacked in these ways? Our politicians and political
observers have for years been ready, willing and able to analyze and then    
discuss the complex reasons why groups such as the IRA waged war on England, why
the Shining Path fought in Peru and why Red Brigade terrorized Italy. But now
when it comes to our own recent exposures to terrorism all our national debate
appears to be focused on the "how to respond to" question without ever really
stopping to ask the "why did it happen" question. And unless and until we
analyze why these attacks against us occurred then how can we realistically ever
really hope to develop a coordinated course of actions that will ensure that
they will never happen again.

People I have spoken to who have lived in cities under siege from terrorism,
like London for example, tell me that increased law enforcement and military
measures only go so far to combat terrorism. Indeed, they only seem to deal with
the symptoms and not the root cause. These people have told me that ultimately,
the long-term solution to terrorism is found in policy and not war, diplomacy
not military subjugation. Secretary of State Colin Powell is absolutely right:
Give diplomacy a chance.

We must honestly ask ourselves what is the root cause of this war being waged on
our people and our country. I suspect that we will need to look at altering 
some of our foreign policy positions in some parts of the world. Unless we do
this I fear that a military campaign, unsupported by sound foreign policy
strategies, will only cause immeasurable civilian suffering throughout the world
and may well actually lead to more terrifying attacks upon our cities and our
citizenry.

I would ask our President to sidestep the rambos in the White House and The
Pentagon who are reported to want to use nuclear weapons and free our Secretary
of State to do his job. Finally, I pray that common sense and reason will
prevail.
------------------------------------------------- 



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In article <9p7inv01eib@drn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk says...
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>My characterization of the attacks is  "retaliation attacks". But how does the
>media explain the motivation? Generally, they don't and have avoided discussion
>of the motivation - perhaps a crime without a motivation?

The Christian Science Monitor is an newspaper seemingly independent of Jewish
constraints. There is an article from Sep 27, _Why do they hate us?_
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0927/p1s1-wogi.html

It's a long piece and has some web links for further reading. Here is a short
quote from it - precisely the issue that should be discussed in the mass media.
The article speaks of "- the injustice done to the Palestinians, the cruelty of
continued sanctions against Iraq, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, the
repressive and corrupt nature of US-backed Gulf governments".



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In article <3bbb6786.20241504@news>, rickjay@execs.com says...
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>On 30 Sep 2001 09:54:23 -0700, Kanuk  wrote:
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>
>>... and yet since the attacks of Sep 11th, all of the establishment media have
>>consistently characterized the attacks for us - as "terrorist". The reason is
>>that our media is carefully controlled and intent upon shaping our perception of
>>events.
>
>Actually, it's because they were terrorist attacks, by definition.
>Invest in a dictionary and some professional counselling.  You need
>both.

Here is a piece on "terrorist".
http://www.fair.org/media-beat/index.html
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Oct. 4, 2001 
Media Spin Revolves Around the Word "Terrorist"

By Norman Solomon 

During the first two days of this month, CNN's website displayed an odd little
announcement. "There have been false reports that CNN has not used the word
'terrorist' to refer to those who attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon,"
the notice said. "In fact, CNN has consistently and repeatedly referred to the
attackers and hijackers as terrorists, and it will continue to do so."

The CNN disclaimer was accurate -- and, by conventional media standards,
reassuring. But it bypassed a basic question that festers beneath America's
overwhelming media coverage of recent weeks: Exactly what qualifies as
"terrorism"?

For this country's mainstream journalists, that's a non-question about a
no-brainer. More than ever, the proper function of the "terrorist" label seems
obvious. "A group of people commandeered airliners and used them as guided
missiles against thousands of people," says NBC News executive Bill Wheatley.
"If that doesn't fit the definition of terrorism, what does?"

True enough. At the same time, it's notable that American news outlets routinely
define terrorism the same way that U.S. government officials do. Usually,
editors assume that reporters don't need any formal directive because the
appropriate usage is simply understood.

The Wall Street Journal does provide some guidelines, telling its staff that the
word terrorist "should be used carefully, and specifically, to describe those
people and nongovernmental organizations that plan and execute acts of violence
against civilian or noncombatant targets." In newsrooms across the United
States, media professionals would agree.

But -- in sharp contrast -- Reuters has stuck to a distinctive approach for
decades. "As part of a policy to avoid the use of emotive words," the global
news service says, "we do not use terms like 'terrorist' and 'freedom fighter'
unless they are in a direct quote or are otherwise attributable to a third
party. We do not characterize the subjects of news stories but instead report
their actions, identity and background so that readers can make their own
decisions based on the facts."

Since mid-September, the Reuters management has taken a lot of heat for
maintaining this policy -- and for reiterating it in an internal memo, which
included the observation that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom
fighter." In a clarifying statement, released on Oct. 2, the top execs at
Reuters explained: "Our policy is to avoid the use of emotional terms and not
make value judgments concerning the facts we attempt to report accurately and
fairly."

Reuters reports from 160 countries, and the "terrorist" label is highly
contentious in quite a few of them. Behind the scenes, many governments have
pressured Reuters to flatly describe their enemies as terrorists in news
dispatches.

>From the vantage point of government leaders in Ankara or Jerusalem or Moscow,
for example, journalists shouldn't hesitate to describe their violent foes as
terrorists. But why should reporters oblige by pinning that tag on Kurdish
combatants in Turkey, or Palestinian militants in occupied territories, or
rebels in Chechnya?

Unless we buy into the absurd pretense that governments don't engage in
"terrorism," the circumscribed use of the term by U.S. media makes no sense.
Turkish military forces have certainly terrorized and killed many civilians; the
same is true of Israeli forces and Russian troops. As a result, plenty of Kurds,
Palestinians and Chechens are grieving.

American reporters could plausibly expand their working definition of terrorism
to include all organized acts of terror and murder committed against civilians.
But such consistency would meet with fierce opposition in high Washington
places.

During the 1980s, with a non-evasive standard for terrorism, news accounts would
have routinely referred to the Nicaraguan contra guerrillas -- in addition to
the Salvadoran and Guatemalan governments -- as U.S.-backed "terrorists." Today,
for instance, such a standard would require news coverage of terrorism in the
Middle East to include the Israeli assaults with bullets and missiles that take
the lives of Palestinian children and other civilians.

Sadly, the evenhanded use of the "terrorist" label would mean sometimes affixing
it directly on the U.S. government. During the past decade, from Iraq to Sudan
to Yugoslavia, the Pentagon's missiles have destroyed the lives of civilians
just as innocent as those who perished on Sept. 11. If journalists dare not call
that "terrorism," then perhaps the word should be retired from the media
lexicon.

It's entirely appropriate for news outlets to describe the Sept. 11 hijackers as
"terrorists" -- if those outlets are willing to use the "terrorist" label with
integrity across the board. But as long as news organizations are not willing to
do so, the Reuters policy is the only principled journalistic alternative.

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Norman Solomon's latest book is "The Habits of Highly Deceptive Media." 



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Would it not be helpful if we could have our mass media give equal time to USA
and Afganistan? Failing that, what about 60/40 ... or 80/20 or ...

The Jordan Times 5Oct2001
http://www.jordantimes.com/
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Al Jazeerah TV dismisses US criticism    
    
DUBAI (R) — Qatar's Al Jazeerah satellite television dismissed on Thursday US
criticism that its coverage was unbalanced, saying it gave both US and Afghan
officials equal air time since last month's attacks.
US officials have said that Jazeerah's coverage of the aftermath of the deadly
attacks on Washington and New York encouraged anti-American sentiment in the
Middle East and have asked the Qatar government to use its influence on the
television station.

But Mohammad Jassem Al Ali, director general of the popular Arabic-language
channel, defended his network's coverage and told Reuters that Qatar was not
putting any pressure on it.

“These accusations are not strange,” Al Ali explained. “We have been accused of
being the voice of Iraq because of our coverage, and now as we are the only
people with access in Afghanistan, we're accused of being pro-Afghani.

“We have correspondents in the United States and we have correspondents in Kabul
and Kandahar. We give equal coverage to both sides and that is our role. We
present both sides.”

Al Jazeerah is one of the most widely watched channels in the Arab world because
of its editorial independence and its often controversial coverage.

Unlike other Arab networks, it largely relies on its own correspondents and not
state media handouts, which has raised the ire of several governments in the
region.

The channel is also one of a few international television networks with access
to areas of Afghanistan that are under the control of the ruling Taleban, who
are hosting Osama Ben Laden — the man the United States accuses of masterminding
the devastating attacks on Washington and New York.

It also conducted a rare interview with Ben Laden in 1998 which it has aired
repeatedly since the attacks in which 6,000 people have been killed or are
missing.

On Wednesday, Qatar's Emir Sheikh Hamad Ben Khalifa Al Thani told reporters
during a visit to Washington that the United States had asked him again to
“influence” Al Jazeerah but explained that the Gulf state would not interfere.

“We always explain to our friends, Americans and others, that as far as we in
Qatar are concerned, we are embarking, after about two years from now, on a
parliamentary life.

“The Al Jazeerah question will be completely finished, because parliamentary
life requires you have free and credible media and that is what we are trying to
do,” he said.
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In the 1980s, institutions of the USSR were still in the grip of the communist
party. All levels of government were headed by communists implementing communist
policy. Control of the mass media was by communists presenting the government
propaganda. The secret police networks and courts were were stacked with
communists to reinforce the web of control. But, it did all collapse.

Dissident voices grew louder and more numerous until that critical point was
reached where the masses no longer felt sufficiently intimidated to whisper
disapproval that they took to the streets in open protest. Some claim the fax
machine was key to facilitating the spread of ideas that the establishment were
suppressing.

In the present decade, institutions in the West are still in the grip of Israeli
operatives - Jews and collaborating gentiles. Government leaders devote too much
time catering to the agenda of the Israel lobbies and cause insecurity amongst
the population. Control of the mass media is by Jews covering for corrupted
politicians' traitorous actions. The secret police network and courts are
stacked with Israeli operative who reinforce the web of control. But it will all
collapse.

Dissident voices will grow louder and more numerous until that critical point is
reached where the masses no longer feel sufficiently intimidated to whisper
disapproval that they will take to the streets in open protest. Some claim the
Internet is key to facilitating the spread of ideas that the establishment are
suppressing.

For the fourth week in a row the American Dissident Voices broadcast deals with
the retaliation strikes. This week's topic is "America's Real Enemies"  and
again, is well researched and accurate. Check it out in audio, video or text at
http://www.natall.com/index.html and give this dissenting analysis consideration
alongside the establishment's presentations.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: Text of statement by bin Laden
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In article ,
russilwvong@yahoo.com says...
>
>Doesn't claim responsibility for the September 11 attacks, but
>praises them:
>
>    When God blessed one of the groups of Islam, vanguards of Islam,
>    they destroyed America. I pray to God to elevate their status
>    and bless them.
>
>Accuses the US of hypocrisy and butchery.
>
>    When the sword comes down, after 80 years, hypocrisy rears
>    its ugly head. They deplore and they lament for those killers,
>    who have abused the blood, honor and sanctuaries of Muslims.
>
>Says that the US will have no security -- implying more attacks --
>until the Palestinians return to Palestine and US troops leave
>Saudi Arabia.
>
>    I swear by God, who has elevated the skies without pillars,
>    neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of
>    security before we live it in Palestine, and not before all
>    the infidel armies leave the land of Muhammad, peace be upon
>    him.
>
>Russil Wvong
>Vancouver, BC
>www.geocities.com/rwvong
>
>--
>Sunday October 7 5:20 PM ET 
>
>Text of Osama bin Laden's Statement
>
>By The Associated Press 
>
>Text of Osama bin Laden's taped remarks, aired on an Arab television
>station after the U.S. and British strikes Sunday. The remarks, which
>refer to the Sept. 11 terror attacks on New York and Washington,
>appear to have been made before Sunday's strikes. The text is
>translated from the Arabic.
>
>- 
>
>I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammad is his
>messenger.
>
>There is America, hit by God in one of its softest spots. Its greatest
>buildings were destroyed, thank God for that. There is America, full
>of fear from its north to its south, from its west to its east. Thank
>God for that.
>
>What America is tasting now is something insignificant compared to
>what we have tasted for scores of years. Our nation (the Islamic
>world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more
>than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries
>are attacked, and no one hears and no one heeds.
>
>When God blessed one of the groups of Islam, vanguards of Islam, they
>destroyed America. I pray to God to elevate their status and bless
>them.
>
>Millions of innocent children are being killed as I speak. They are
>being killed in Iraq without committing any sins, and we don't hear
>condemnation or a fatwa (religious decree) from the rulers. In these
>days, Israeli tanks infest Palestine - in Jenin, Ramallah, Rafah, Beit
>Jalla, and other places in the land of Islam, and we don't hear anyone
>raising his voice or moving a limb.
>
>When the sword comes down (on America), after 80 years, hypocrisy
>rears its ugly head. They deplore and they lament for those killers,
>who have abused the blood, honor and sanctuaries of Muslims. The least
>that can be said about those people is that they are debauched. They
>have followed injustice. They supported the butcher over the victim,
>the oppressor over the innocent child. May God show them His wrath and
>give them what they deserve.
>
>I say that the situation is clear and obvious. After this event, after
>the senior officials have spoken in America, starting with the head of
>infidels worldwide, Bush, and those with him. They have come out in
>force with their men and have turned even the countries that belong to
>Islam to this treachery, and they want to wag their tail at God, to
>fight Islam, to suppress people in the name of terrorism.
>
>When people at the ends of the earth, Japan, were killed by their
>hundreds of thousands, young and old, it was not considered a war
>crime, it is something that has justification. Millions of children in
>Iraq is something that has justification. But when they lose dozens of
>people in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam (capitals of Kenya and Tanzania,
>where U.S. embassies were bombed in 1998), Iraq was struck and
>Afghanistan was struck. Hypocrisy stood in force behind the head of
>infidels worldwide, behind the cowards of this age, America and those
>who are with it.
>
>These events have divided the whole world into two sides. The side of
>believers and the side of infidels, may God keep you away from
>them. Every Muslim has to rush to make his religion victorious.  The
>winds of faith have come. The winds of change have come to eradicate
>oppression from the island of Muhammad, peace be upon him.
>
>To America, I say only a few words to it and its people. I swear by
>God, who has elevated the skies without pillars, neither America nor
>the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it in
>Palestine, and not before all the infidel armies leave the land of
>Muhammad, peace be upon him.
>
>God is great, may pride be with Islam. May peace and God's mercy be
>upon you.

So how do the Iraeli operatives reconcile their claims that Osama bin Laden did
it but it has nothing to do with Israel with this quote by Osama?

      I swear by God, ... neither America nor the people who live in
      it will dream of security before we live it in Palestine ... 



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The most obvious reason for the (first) suicide attacks on the US is America's
arming, funding and providing diplomatic cover for Israel and US direct actions
against Israel's enemies. Yet, this issue has been all but banned from the mass
media over the past month.

>From September 11th, Israeli operatives world-wide responded to the call by the
Zionist leadership to sell the attacks as "terrorist" and prevent any discussion
of retaliation as the motive. Thus, for 29 days we have seen big city newspapers
and the TV networks sell the only response as being one of military retaliation
- now shifting to a wider and prolonged war. Israel is still rarely mentioned.

The best response from Canada would be to urge the US to reconsider her policies
in the Middle East. But, this is easier said than done as Chretien is just as
fearful of the Israel lobby here as are US politicians. They have long since
sold out their principles for the personal benefit of favorable Jewish media
spin for their careers. This is called corruption. Chretien and Bush will be
treated kindly by our controlled media. TV networks will continue to act as
organs of the state, dutifully broadcasting the slick press briefings and video
clips with no critical analysis.
 
I post here an Associated Press story on US policy causation because Israel
Asper's papers will not carry it.

Copied from David Irving's site
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online
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Alliance with Israel, Iraq sanctions fuel Arab hatred of U.S.
Associated Press

DAMASCUS, Syria - A morgue assistant pulls out drawers holding the mutilated
corpses of Palestinians killed in clashes with Israelis. Doctors pummel the
chest of a dead Palestinian in a desperate attempt to revive him. The body of an
infant, swathed in bloodied blankets, held by a grieving parent.

These raw images - aired almost daily on Arab television since the
Palestinian-Israeli clashes erupted a year ago - haven't lost the power to touch
the hearts of Arab viewers.

Indeed, they have fed a buildup of Arab anger - not only against Israel but also
against the United States, its chief ally, already resented for imposing 11
years of sanctions and carrying out repeated airstrikes on Iraq.

That anger provides a potential base of support for the militants, who can use
it to keep governments from cracking down on them. The outrage also has left
many Arabs grappling with conflicting emotions over the Sept. 11 suicide attacks
in the United States.

Some governments - while decrying the deaths at the World Trade Center, the
Pentagon and in Pennsylvania - have echoed murmurs in the streets that the
United States brought violence on itself by angering Arabs. Others have made it
clear they want to be sure U.S. retaliation doesn't target nations like Iraq or
groups like Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas, who are heroes to some Arabs because
of their anti-Israel stance.

"We feel outraged by what happened in the United States, but we want the world
to feel the same about the daily Israeli killings of Palestinians, the
demolishing of houses and the humiliation of the people," said Wafa Mohammed, a
shop owner in Jordan.
"If the United States had sympathized with the Arabs, the destruction that took
place in the United States wouldn't have happened," said Mohammed Tohami, a
22-year-old Egyptian frame maker.
"There's a feeling among Arabs that the United States is totally responsible for
what's happening in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict," said Imad Shueibi, a
Syrian political analyst.
The Palestinian-Israeli clashes began one year ago today. The spark, according
to the Palestinians - or the pretext, according to Israel - was a visit by
then-opposition leader Ariel Sharon to the holiest and most disputed site in
Jerusalem, which Jews call the Temple Mount and Palestinians Haram as-Sharif.

Since then, 642 Palestinians and 177 Israelis have been killed. Many of the
Israeli casualties were civilians who died in Palestinian suicide attacks
against discos, restaurants, markets and train stations or shootings with
machine-guns and mortars.

The resulting resentment cannot be ignored as President Bush, who has threatened
to punish Afghanistan's Islamic rulers harboring suspected terrorist Osama bin
Laden, assembles U.S. forces for a retaliatory strike. Bin Laden has portrayed
himself as the champion of Muslims and Palestinians.

Arab leaders have urged the United States - which so far has offered little
public proof of bin Laden's involvement in the attacks - against hasty military
action until the culprits are identified without a shred of doubt.

"What I don't stop telling the United States is: don't rush into it. Wait until
your investigation is completed," Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak told the
French newspaper Le Figaro in an interview last week.

Mubarak offered Egypt's cooperation in hunting down the assassins, calling for
an anti-terrorism coalition under U.N. auspices. But he warned any U.S.
retaliation resulting in the deaths of innocent people would fuel greater hatred
of the United States and any allies who participate in the anti-terrorism
coalition.

Syrian President Bashar Assad and Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh also said
the best way to fight terrorism is through an international effort under the
auspices of the U.N. Security Council.

United Arab Emirates President Sheik Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan has told Bush
the Emirates is ready to cooperate to fight terrorism.

 
Ruins after US attack on Sudan, 1998 
But at the same time, he said, the United States and the international community
must examine all forms of terrorism - and "must stop the Israeli terrorist
attacks in occupied Palestinian lands."

Adding to the pressure on the mostly secular Arab governments are fatwas, or
religious edicts issued by Muslim clergymen warning the governments against
joining the anti-terrorism coalition.

Al-Azhar Ulama Front, a group of hard-line Muslim clerics in Egypt, said in a
fatwa issued last Friday that Arab and Muslim countries should be alert to the
"Jewish, Zionist" scheme being created in the name of fighting terrorism "and
that has been prepared to attack national and Islamic forces in different
countries."

Such words have struck a chord among many Muslims, who believe the U.S. campaign
is really a war on their religion.

"The infidel and evil U.S. military buildup in the region is an attempt not to
target one person only or a specific Islamic or Arab country, but in fact ... it
is a crusade targeting our religion," Iraqi preacher Bakir Abdul-Razak said.

"We say, 'No,' to those who have gathered their forces to fight the (Muslim)
nations," he said. "By God's will, the Americans will not have the upper hand."



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This little TV station has the audacity to broadcast both sides of issues - a
menace to the media manipulators in the West. Maybe Israel Asper or Rupert
Murdoch can make them an offer they can't refuse. Too bad we can't get it on our
500 channel universe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/
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A bold and original TV station that America wants to censor
War against terrorism: Al-Jazeera
By Robert Fisk
11 October 2001

No wonder Condoleeza Rice wants to censor Al-Jazeera's stories from Kabul. Osama
bin Laden speaks through this tough, brave little channel. No wonder Colin
Powell tried to bully the Emir of Qatar to close down the channel's Kabul
office. No wonder Tony Blair chose to address the Arab people through its
airwaves. It is a phenomenon in the Arab world, a comparatively free, bold
initiative in journalism that was supported by the Americans – until it became
rather too free.

"Because this [complaint] comes from the United States, which considers itself
the strongest advocate of freedom of expression, this comes as very strange and
unacceptable," the channel's news editor, Ahmed Sheikh, said yesterday. The US
embassy in Doha has gone so far as to file a formal diplomatic complaint about
Al-Jazeera with the tiny Qatari state which funds it.

Not surprising. Al-Jazeera has produced the most original, toughest reporting
ever in the Arab world. Earlier this year, it showed an astonishing 16-part
series on the 1975-90 Lebanese civil war, including interviews with Lebanese,
Syrian, Israeli and American statesmen and hitherto unseen film of massacres and
brutality. Lebanese viewers – never allowed to see such reality on their own
television screens – were riveted every Thursday night. When President Mubarak
visited the channel's humble offices in Qatar, he commented sniffily that "you
mean to tell me that all this trouble comes from this matchbox?" Indeed it does.

Al-Jazeera is the CNN of the Arab world, but – and this leads to its current
problems with the United States – it's a lot keener to tell the truth than CNN.

With more than 35 offices around the world – including Kabul – the channel's
350-strong staff have had reporters in the Pentagon, northern Afghanistan (with
the so-called "Northern Alliance") and Gaza. It was the first channel to show
Palestinians firing mortars at Israeli settlements and scooped Iraqi television
with a speech by Saddam Hussein inviting Arabs to overthrow their pro-Western
leaders.

The channel has its critics inside and outside the station. One member of staff
used to fear that Al-Jazeera was "run by the CIA" – an idea quickly dismissed
now that the Americans want to muzzle it. Others thought it lacked respect for
authority.

Alas for the Americans, Israel and local Arab despots, Al-Jazeera is now the
best-selling, highest-rated channel in the Middle East. And when it comes to
footage of the American bombing of Kabul, whose material does CNN show? Al
Jazeera's, of course.



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In article <3bc50bbb.2879147@news.telus.net>, degoos@telus.net says...
>
>Kanuk  wrote:
>
>>This little TV station has the audacity to broadcast both sides of issues - a
>>menace to the media manipulators in the West. Maybe Israel Asper or Rupert
>>Murdoch can make them an offer they can't refuse. Too bad we can't get it on our
>>500 channel universe.
>>
>>http://www.independent.co.uk/
>>-------------------------------------------------
>You are such a clumsy cheater! Let me supply some quoted lines from Fisk's
>article that you left out.

Interesting observation but wrong conclusion. The version of this story
currently at http://www.independent.co.uk/ is very different from the one I
copied and pasted a few hours earlier. The Independent made the revision - not
me.

I notice Condeleeza Rice is not mentioned in the latest version. Fisk probably
got told that it was Powell who tried to interfere and corrected his story.

>
>The Secretary of State, Colin Powell, said intelligence analysts were
>scrutinising the videotaped appearances of Mr bin Laden on Sunday, shortly
>after the air strikes against Afghanistan began, and of the Al-Qa'ida
>spokesman, Sulemain Abu Gheit, who on Tuesday praised the 11 September
>attacks and warned that others would follow. The tapes could contain "some
>kind of message", General Powell said. 
>
>The White House made its appeal after Qatar's Al Jazeera channel aired the
>pre-recorded statements by Mr bin Laden and Mr Abu Gheit, which in turn
>were picked up by the US networks. The request was issued to senior
>executives of the four main broadcast networks and CNN. Afterwards, the
>five said they would examine incoming feeds of such statements from
>Al-Jazeera and not air them live. 
>
>"At best, Osama bin Laden's message is propaganda, calling on people to
>kill Americans. At worst, he could be issuing orders to his followers to
>initiate such attacks," Ari Fleischer, the White House spokesman, said 
>
>The US embassy in Doha has already filed a formal diplomatic complaint
>about Al-Jazeera with the tiny Qatari state which funds it. 
>
>
>The US is complaining that Al Jazeera may be providing a method for Bin
>Laden to pass commands on to terrorists alredy in the West. 
>Think, Kanuck.
> Could the USA be correct ? Should the US permit BL to issue commands to
>anyone on Television in the name of free speech ?
>
>You should write to Mr. Fisk and tell him how useful you find his writings
>in defending your racism. He'd be tickled pink!
>
>Dennis
>



From Kanuk_member@newsguy.com Tue Nov  6 18:03:35 EST 2001
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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: 90+% Approval ... but Survey Footnotes Missing
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To reinforce their message that war is the correct action to take, the
controlled media are advising us that George Bush is enjoying an approval rating
of over 90% for his military action - one report said 94%. The same ploy was
used to get the most damage done in the gulf war.

Of course, the masses that don't follow the events in detail might understand
therefore that war is OK and politicians are kept on side.

However, in reporting the poll results, the media manipulators "forget" to
include important footnotes. Here they are:
----------------------
Footnote 1: The survey was taken after three weeks of a coordinated campaign by
all mainstream media organizations and US governments to promote the
acceptability of military action.

Footnote 2: The poll was commissioned by the same media organizations promoting
the war option.

Footnote 3: When the question was asked, the alternative options of using the
UN, International Court or diplomacy were not presented.

Footnote 4: The obvious response of changing US policy toward Israel was
concealed during the media campaign.
-----------------------------

The Christian Science Monitor reported on a survey by Gallop taken Sept 14-17
where a second option was presented. 15 countries were sampled. Here are three
of them - the most violent, the US and the least aggressive.

COUNTRY----LAUNCH ATTACK----TRY TERRORISTS-----DON'T KNOW
Israel--------77%---------------19%-----------------4%
USA-----------54%---------------30%----------------16%
Mexico---------2%---------------94%-----------------3%

The URL is http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0927/p1s1-wogi.html
Scroll to the bottom of a very long article, "Why Do They Hate Us?" to see all
15 results.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Jewish people control America
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>From David irving's site
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/

----------------------------------------------
Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP) -- According to Israel radio (in
Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that
refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the
Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us."

At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying "every
time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want
to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel,
we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying
what he said in public because "it would cause us a public relations disaster."



From Kanuk_member@newsguy.com Tue Nov  6 18:03:36 EST 2001
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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: Al-Jazeera: The Tiny TV Station Out of Control
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In article , lday@pathcom.com
says...
>
>Kanuk  wrote in message
>news:<9q2ol00nco@drn.newsguy.com>...
>> This little TV station has the audacity to broadcast both sides of issues - a
>> menace to the media manipulators in the West. Maybe Israel Asper or Rupert
>>Murdoch can make them an offer they can't refuse. Too bad we can't get it on our
>> 500 channel universe.
>
>You can get it on satellite,
>but iirc, only untranslated, in Arabic.

Which satellite? I'm sure that it would be allowed for the N. American audience.
It would spoil the propaganda monopoly of the Jews. Prove me wrong. Which
satellite?

I note that the US failed to twist the arm of the emir of Qatar to silence
Al-Jazeera. Now they have resorted to "Plan B". The networks (all Jewish
controlled) have all quickly agreed not to pass Osama's messages along to
Americans without first editing them. The excuse: Osama might have embedded
coded messages to his operatives.

>
>The easiest way to learn Arabic is to learn Maltese 
>first. They use Arabic words but with 'English'/Roman spelling.
>It is a useful stepping-stone. 
>
>I feel sympathy for the Emir of Qatar.
>An even-handed, intelligent, well-informed ruler,
>he has seen the way of the west,
>and he wants to incorporate its 'best' features
>into his own country.
>
>Parliamentary democracy is being prepared, 
>but for democracy to work
>it needs 'good education' and 'freedom of expression',
>even if some expressions are obviously extremist
>and politically uncomfortable.
>
>Now, 2001, to have the US saying that there is 
>'too much' freedom of expression on Al Jazeera TV 
>is highly ironic. 
>
>This is especially true and relevent
>since the head office (American Media Inc.) of the
>scurrilous 'National Enquirer' tabloid from Florida
>seems itself to have been a terrorist anthrax target.
>
>Mr. Atta, the evident terrorist cell ringleader, 
>lived nearby. 
>Perhaps he did not like this American Media publication
>that explained Mr. bin Laden's political motivation
>in terms of penis size?
>Perhaps the poor Atta fellow 
>took it seriously?
>
>Frankly, I doubt Mr. Atta had much of a sense of humour.
>He dwelt in a glum grim gray world..
>totally pathetic, looking only for release..
>sort of like a virus..?
>
>It is easy to hate him,
>by any stndard he is totally despicable.
>
>Forcibly, the issue of freedom of the press
>is being brought to the front burner..
>
>btw, if you like Al Jazeera you would
>probably also like The Jordan Times,
>a highly intelligent news voice 
>that prints an English edition
>out of Amman. It is quite impressive sometimes
>for intelligent, logical analysis, and especially
>when the 'herd' is pushing the other way
>towards a 'jingoistic groupthink'.
> 
>Back in 1986, when airline hijackings 
>were a big topic in the mid-east,
>its reaction to terrorism against transportation systems
>was to print an in depth interview with a fellow
>whose father died as a conductor on a train
>blown up by TE Lawrence's guerillas.
>
>In the movie version we see the train carcass,
>lying on its side, and we see the military victim,
>but we do not see the non-aligned conductor
>just trying to make a living.
>
>A very moving 'food-for-thought' article:
>Nov. 10, (?, mebbe 11/9,86) 1986.
>
>I notice,
>in Osama bin Laden's statement,
>that he dates the 'struggle' as 80 years old.
>
>Unless one were well-studied in the history,
>one would not notice that this coincides
>with the 'Treaty of Versailles' that set the boundaries
>and protectorates for current mid-east borders.
>
>These borders were based 
>more on presence/absence of oil
>than on any just, or honourable, or sensible morality.
>
>According to confessed Arab lover TE Lawrence
>a just and stable mid-east peace had been sabatoged by
>'petroleum interests'.
> 
>This obviously unfair treaty created all sorts of 
>further difficulties. In fact, in Europe, it was perhaps the
>*primary* cause of WW2. 
>
>And, 
>Dear Mr. Kanuk,
>
>It has nothing to do with the Jews.
>
>The Jews and the Arabs are *both* Semitic races,
>both screwed by 'petroleum interests'.

"Petroleum interests" is the red herring. The oil industry does not drive US
foreign policy in the region - the Israel lobby does.

It is AIPAC that puts Israel at the top of the list for foreign aid. Logic might
suggest it should be the starving in sub-Sahara Africa or the poor in central
America. The Congress know that Israel is not using those US tax dollars to
provide her population with basic sanitation and clean drinking water?

It is the Israel lobby that achieves the transfer of military hardware and
espionage from the US. Is this military power used to help "petroleum interests"
... or achieve Zionism's goals, like taking Palestine?

US diplomatic support for Israel - the Zionism = Racism issue, the infamous
United Nations veto and voting record - has nothing to do with oil.

Israel is tickled pink now that America is in the same insecure camp. She seems
to have sucked in Britain too and would like the rest of the West to be with
her. Israel is also delighted that Americans are waging a war on her behalf. The
Zionist movement would now like to see the divisions between Muslim populations
and their governments destabilize these countries.

Is summary:
   (1)  The Israel lobby still rules America and
(2)  All responses to the Sept 11 retaliation strikes by US administration suit
Israel's agenda to a tee.


>
>Reality isn't like the 'Beverly Hillbillies'.
>In reality, when oil is discovered on your property, 
>soon arrive the armed men to turn you into a refugee.
>
>This is the same true in Columbia today
>where Semites are notably absent.
>
>It is a curse to live over oil:
>greedy men come..a bummer.
>Like Lao-tzu (para):
>
>"Where riches arise, robbers occur".
>
>Oil eh?
>All about oil..
>
>Lawrence Day
>
>(...)



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: Jewish people control America
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In article <3bc7e252$0$193@news.impulse.net>, "Waldo" says...
>
>
>Hilary Ostrov  wrote in message
>news:n2kfstkiubsviu81rl3mmf1in762hc0si7@4ax.com...
>> ... [W]hen Paxman asked him,
>> 'Will you stop denying the Holocaust on the basis of this judgment?,'
>> Irving baldly replied, 'Good Lord, no.' "
>
>And why *should* he, Hitlery? Why should Irving let the findings and
>ramblings of a judge in a Kosher Pressure Cooker dissuade him from doing
>what he knows is right?
>
>The "Generally accepted" version of the Holocaust is a farce. I know it, you
>know it, and Irving knows it.
>
>The difference is, you choose to *deny* what you know to be true.
>
>
>Waldo

Most people form their views on the so-called Holocaust from the constant
barrages of stories coming at them from Jewish controlled sources.

For instance, last Wednesday evening, CBC Radio 1 broadcast a two part series on
the topic between 9:00 and 10:00pm. I remember one "survivor" describing how she
witnessed something physically impossible. I paraphrase:

... we were sitting in a field at Auschwitz ... we could smell flesh and hair
burning ... WE SAW FLAMES SHOOTING OUT OF THE CREMATORIUM CHIMNEYS ...

Irving's use of ASSHOLES is quoted out of context for propaganda purposes. It is
actually a clever acronym describing the false witnesses like Eli Wiesel or her
quoted above ... or did it illustrate the claims of suffering and demands for
money?. I don't remember the acronym. It was in one of his speeches available at
the Revisionism.com site - now defunct.

Perhaps someone can oblige?



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Americans Demand Canada Cough Up Russians
Date: 14 Oct 2001 09:15:32 -0700
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The Canadian media are reporting that the US government is demanding that Canada
hand over three Russians "implicated in a deadly hit-and-run on the high seas.
The three men are alleged to have been in charge of a Cypriot-flagged oil tanker
that rammed a U.S. trawler off the coast of Massachusetts on Aug. 5, killing
three of the four New England fishermen aboard." (Globe and Mail).

Reports were silent on whether President Bush had issued a fatwa - wanting them
"dead or alive".

The Russians are guests of Canada but are not free to leave. Canada has has 30
days to decide whether to give in to the U.S. demand. Reports did not specify
whether Bush would order military strikes on the ruling Liberals, their leader
and his close relatives if they did not cough up the criminals as well as any
interpreters, social workers, lawyers and other thugs helping them.

In the event of military action against the ruling Liberals speculation is that
the opposition alliances could benefit from American assistance. The alliances
represent a small regionl factions known for their infighting and tendancy to
switch sides.



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Subject: "Collateral Damage" for Israel's Cause
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To all you secretive Israeli operatives working cunningly for your alien cause
in our institutions take a look at a picture of just one instance of your war's
"collateral damage" on the front page of Tuesday's Jordan Times.
Congratulations!! You must be really proud.
http://www.jordantimes.com/Tue/



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Since the Sept 11 attacks ... oops, "terrorist attacks" is mandatory in the
Israeli controlled media to help us forget about them being retaliation for US
arming and funding Israel. So as I was writing ... since the "terrorist attacks"
"our" CBC has been taking advantage of the fog of war to pump out lots of
pro-Israel propaganda.

It seems that the CBC decision desk has now branded Hezbollah as a "terrorist
group". Note how last night's _The National_ gratuitously slipped the word in:

START QUOTE
     PETER MANSBRIDGE: And in British Columbia, a Vancouver man accused
     of having ties to the Lebanon-based terrorist group Hezbollah has
     been released [...]
END QUOTE

Israel has been pushing for this designation for a long time because Hezbollah
dares to resist Israel's occupation of Lebanon. The hundreds of thousands of
Lebanese who vote Hezbollah members to public office would disagree ... but we
are not to be told about that.

CBC has been whipping up the "terrorist" fear since Sept 11. There were 17 uses
of the word in last night's _The National_. The Israeli operatives secretly
working within "our" CBC have also increased their hate propaganda against
Islam. Terms like "militant", "radical", "fundamentalist" are routinely paired
with "Islam" or variants of that word.

On this morning's _World Report_, in covering the story of three Palestinians
blown up under "disputed circumstances", CBC editors referred to them as
"militants" five times. They hope you get Israel's message.
START QUOTES
    Israeli tanks and Palestinian militants [...]
    [...] the funeral of three Palestinian militants [...]
    [...] the killing of the three militants [...]
    [...] list of wanted militants [...]
    [...] people are in mourning for the killing of these militants.
END QUOTES

Do you feel the CBC is fairly presenting the news these days?



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In article <3BD5CBA2.CB703E79@taxrefusal.com>, Daniel says...
>
>Osama Bin Laden has successfully sown the seeds of a revolution in Saudi Arabia.
>
>The "Royal House Of Saud", in order to placate its parasitic master (America's
>appetite for "foreign" oil.) will now act against its now aware and irate
>citizens, killing them "for their own good" in order to sifle the dissent that
>will otherwise force it to raise the price of oil in keeping with Osama's
>demands; OR face a US led military invasion that will be identified in the
>Western Press as "A Crusade" to protect the "Free" World's access to oil . . . .
>. at properly dictated prices".

Dissent by the Saudi population is due to American policy in the region. I can't
figure out how oil has much to do with unrest in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq,
Pakistan and the rest of the Islamic world, including countries that don't have
oil. It's the Israeli driven US policy that concerns hundreds of millions of
people.

ObL demands are not related to oil. He speaks of genocide in Iraq, US troops on
Islamic soil and insecurity in Palestine. If the US administration and congress
shook off the Israel lobby and declared a public debate and review of the
US/Israel relationship, the world would settle down in peace for a while. But, I
know, the Jews that set US foreign policy are not going to ask for a review.

Any changes will have to come from the masses. As the Communists lost control of
the USSR so the Jews will lose it in the West. Just how much more turmoil will
occur before then is unknown. I suspect we are in for some really bad news.



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Subject: "Terror", "Terrorism", "Terrorist" ...
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CBC TV's _The National_ is the most important forum for influencing our
perceptions of reality. Anyone wanting to do so will use The National, if he
can. The Israel lobby have easy access to that news program.

In the five editions of _The National_ prior to Sept 11, the "terror" word and
its variants was used only 2 times.

In the five editions after the counter strike on the US, the same word was used
247 times.

In the five most recent editions "terror" was used 106 times.

Whilst it is to be expected that the use of the word "terror" would increase
after the Islamists struck back, it takes an examination of how it was used to
expose the purposeful manipulative use of language. Many of the occurrences
involve the gratuitous use of "terror" to categorize the context for the viewer.
For example, the most frequent use is "the terrorist attacks".

Reuters ordered its reporters not to categorize events. They should just stick
to reporting them and leave others to place them in categories - like
"terrorist" or "retaliation". But the CBC, with its dominant Jewish influence in
the editorial rooms, shunts good journalistic practice aside to favor Israel's
interests. CBC editors routinely, tell us that the attacks were "terrorist
attacks" ... just to keep our minds off categorizing them as "retaliation
attacks" for instance. It saves us the bother of thinking things out for
ourselves - it is propaganda.

Perhaps some day Canadians will regain control over our own public broadcaster
and the editors will give us the news without the element of deception, leaving
others to do battle for public opinion.



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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: "Terror", "Terrorism", "Terrorist" ...
Date: 27 Oct 2001 15:21:57 -0700
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In article <3%FC7.20499$TK.371336@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>, "tim says...
>
>
>"Kanuk"  wrote in message
>news:9rf7uj014p0@drn.newsguy.com...
>Nothing of value.
>
>Why don't you go play with your Hitler memorabilia and stop wasting your
>time here?   Your stupid posts influence no one, and merely lead you to be
>subject to appropriate ridicule.

Wishful thinking?

I've just listened to today's _American Dissident Voices_ broadcast - a
refreshingly different projection of reality for the open mind to consider.
Check it out in audio or text at http://www.natall.com/index.html

A quote from that broadcast on the topic of terrorism:
----------------------------
     "You know, terrorism is real. It's not just an invention by the
     media. It's something we actually must learn to cope with in the
     sort of world this government of ours has made for us with its
     criminally irresponsible policies. But both the media and the
     government are badly misusing the term, much in the way they misuse
     such terms as "racism." For example, when one of Ariel Sharon's
     cabinet thugs, Rehavam Ze'evi, was assassinated last week by the
     Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Bush referred
     to it as an "act of terrorism," a term he would not have dreamed of
     using to refer to any of Israel's numerous assassinations of
     Palestinian leaders.

     Ze'evi, by the way, was a close associate of Jewish mobsters
     involved in Israel's international trade in White slaves. His
     friends and political allies operated the sex-slave rings which
     kidnap young Russian and Ukrainian women in the lands pauperized
     by Jewish communism and bring them to Israel, where they are
     forced to work as sex slaves for the enrichment of their Jewish
     pimps. Killing Ze'evi was more like flushing a toilet than an "act
     of terrorism."
-----------------------------
Quite quite a contrast from the establishment message being forced on us, don't
you think. Now, can anyone be against the public listening to the dissident
voice? What about you low level Israeli operatives here?



From Kanuk_member@newsguy.com Tue Nov  6 18:03:39 EST 2001
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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Another "Terrorist" Scare: Don't Fall for It
Date: 30 Oct 2001 08:36:28 -0800
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Here we go again, yet another fear mongering campaign - a coordinated effort by
big media and governments. There is supposed to be a "terrorist" attack in the
next week which is supposed to be credible but, incredibly, there is no credible
evidence to support it. We must just take the government and media's word for it
- because they all say so in unison with no dissent.

Bush, Blair and big media are in the hands of Israeli operatives. The war and
its propaganda are their creation. Their war is going badly. The anthrax scare
has run its course - a couple of weeks of media and government scare mongering -
was it one or two people dead? Now they need another diversion so it's an
unsubstantiated high profile media event - not a quiet, calm, internal security
matter. Don't trust them. Don't believe them.

Did you believe George Bush when he declared just a couple of days after the
great counter-strike that Osama bin Laden did it and they would provide proof?

Did you believe him later when he said the "terrorists" were against our
"freedoms and democracy"?

Do you believe the US military has control over the skies of Afghanistan but
they just prefer to drop their bombs at night and from high altitudes?

Do you believe that helicopter "crashed" and the wheels left behind and waved
before the cameras were "manufactured by bin Laden"?

Do you believe it has not been substantiated that those scarred Afghan children
were hit by US shrapnel?

Do you believe the establishment are banning unedited Al Jazeera TV clips
because they may contain hidden messages to Osama operatives in the US?

Don't believe our ruling establishment. These are the same people who, a week
before the great counter-strike went to the UN conference against racism working
for ISRAEL on the Zionism = Racism issue.

Believe one Zionist - because he did not think his words would go beyond his
tribe,
     "[...] we, the Jewish people control America,
      and the Americans know it."
      - Ariel Sharon, Oct. 3, 2001.

Believe Osama when he said,
    "To America, I say only a few words to it and its people.
    I swear by God, who has elevated the skies without pillars,
    neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of
    security before we live it in Palestine, and not before all
    the infidel armies leave the land of Muhammad, peace be upon
    him."



From Kanuk_member@newsguy.com Tue Nov  6 18:03:39 EST 2001
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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Crooked Media in Cahoots with Crooked Government
Date: 3 Nov 2001 13:23:27 -0800
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The greatest threat to our western civilization is the current situation where
the media is dominated by a single interest group - it happens to be Jewish but
the statement applies to any group. As a consequence, on a daily basis we see
all major TV networks dutifully presenting the staged government events
promoting their war without critical analysis - the US Pentagon and Whitehouse
briefings with their invited "journalists" posing polite questions, Tony Bliar
flashing his polished teeth for the cameras, Bush striding out before a selected
audience waving the little stars and stripes handed to them ....

The Internet provides some hope for bypassing that control over our lives. This
week's _American Dissident Voices_ broadcast, available in audio or text,
provides good insight into the media/government problem.
http://www.natall.com/index.html
Here are a few lines from it.
-----------------------------------------
In a free society one force that keeps the government from getting completely
out of control is a free press. Even when the media also are crooked, if they at
least are hostile to the government they can keep the government in check. But
when crooked media are in cahoots with a crooked government, the country
is in real trouble. And that is the situation we're in now.
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From Kanuk_member@newsguy.com Tue Nov  6 18:03:40 EST 2001
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From: Kanuk 
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Subject: Re: Crooked Media in Cahoots with Crooked Government
Date: 3 Nov 2001 19:00:10 -0800
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<<< headers deleted by "|| Taylorchu" replaced by "Kanuk" >>>

In article , "|| says...
>
>
>In terms of the media, its ridiculous to say that there is a conspiracy just
>because some of the top 3 or more networks happen to be owned by pro Israel
>supporters.

That's an oversimplification of the case for conspiracy. Start with
http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/
The comment below supports the notion of Jewish control over content.

>It has been rather disheartening to see radio hosts like Dr. Laura and
>Barbra Simpson  in the last few weeks, cut off callers who have tried to in
>an eloquent manner, explain or question the position of the Palestinian
>people.
>
>Thankfully ..and it was refreshing that  Dr. Laura had a Muslim political
>expert on her show once a few weeks back to give that other side of the
>argument and to explain the Koran.
>
>We definately could use more balance in our media coverage...but I wouldn't
>go so far to say that there is any kind of media conspiracy or bias going
>on.

Even when the media invite Muslims to give their opinions, Jews or people under
their control in the media get to select them and then edit their comments.

In one of Pierre Trudeau's last interviews on CBC TV he agreed to it under two
conditions:
1) that the interview be broadcast unedited and
2) that his conditions be disclosed at the time of the broadcast.

Pierre Trudeau was a seasoned politician.



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Subject: Americans Set Foot in Afghanistan: Taliban Capture Foot
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It is likely that your TV news channel will not tell this story as a follow-up
to the one where those US commandos went into Afghanistan. Remember, the Taliban
held up the landing gear of a helicopter that Pentagon spokesmen said was
manufactured by bin Laden. Well, read on ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,588580,00.html
--------------------------------------------------------

Revealed: how bungled US raid came close to disaster 

·Delta Force caught in ferocious Taliban ambush ·Debacle prompted review of war
tactics

Luke Harding in Quetta Julian Borger in Washington and Richard Norton-Taylor
Tuesday November 6, 2001
The Guardian 

The Pentagon's only publicly announced commando raid on Taliban positions,
hailed as a success and beamed around the world in grainy video pictures only
hours after it took place, actually went badly wrong, seriously injuring
American soldiers, sources in Pakistan said yesterday.
The debacle, which saw US Delta Force soldiers come under intense fire from the
Taliban, prompted a review of special forces operations in Afghanistan and seems
to have led to a delay in similar behind-the-lines operations.

The ferocity of the Taliban resistance caught US commandos unawares and showed
that 13 days of bombing had failed to break the Taliban's organisational morale.
It has sparked a debate in the Pentagon on the advisability of such daring
missions in the absence of clear intelligence.

Soon after the October 20 raid, the US appeared to switch its military strategy,
throwing its weight fully behind the Northern Alliance, relying on the
opposition movement to provide ground troops for the campaign.

The day after the raid the Pentagon hailed the operation a success, which proved
that US forces could strike anywhere at any time and in a manner of their
choosing.

However, details provided to the Guardian by sources in Pakistan and the US,
together with American press reports, have present quite a different picture.

· A raid led by Delta Force commandos on a Kandahar compound of the Taliban's
leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, ran into heavy resistance, causing serious
casualties and forcing a retreat. One US soldier's foot was blown off.

· A simultaneous raid by army rangers on a Kandahar airstrip was carried out
only after forward troops had checked that the area was clear. It was mainly for
the benefit of the cameras, and to boost the rangers' morale.

· The fierce Taliban response to the Delta Force raid led to a review of similar
planned operations, and led to questioning of the leadership of the war's US
commander, General Tommy Franks.

According to an authoritative and independent source in constant touch with
Kandahar, Delta Force commandos, the most secretive and elite in the US army,
searched Mullah Omar's compound but found it had been stripped of anything that
might provide useful intelligence. As they emerged they came under intense fire,
forcing them to retreat. The Taliban later retrieved "an American foot" from the
scene, still in its boot.

"There was a lot of blood," the source said. "The Taliban had expected an attack
and had taken everything of value out of the compound. They were ready and
waiting. They were only too delighted when the Americans arrived. It was not as
if Mullah Omar was going to leave a note inside saying: 'Osama is hiding here'."

During the raid one of the Chinook helicopters was badly damaged. The Taliban
later showed off a section of its landing gear and said they had shot the
helicopter down.

The account provided to the Guardian was consistent with an article published
yesterday in the New Yorker magazine. The author, Seymour Hersh, said that 12
Delta commandos were wounded, three of them seriously. He quoted a US military
officer as saying that the Delta assault found itself in "a tactical firefight
and the Taliban had the advantage."

The commandos were forced to retreat to waiting helicopters and abandon one of
the objectives of the raid - the insertion of an undercover team into the area,
the New Yorker article said.

Delta Force is a primarily anti-terrorist unit based at Fort Bragg, North
Carolina. Its very existence is never formally discussed, nor are casualties.
They are trained to attack with stealth in small teams, but the Kandahar raid
was an extensive, noisy production, involving a back-up force of 200 rangers,
AC-130 gunships and a 100 Delta Force commandos.

At the same time, a company of rangers parachuted on to a Kandahar airfield in
an operation portrayed the next day in dramatic television footage. But in his
article, Mr Hersh said that before the drop, an army pathfinder team had checked
that the airfield was free of Taliban forces. The raid was for the benefit of
the cameras and to give young rangers with no combat experience some much needed
confidence.

The last joint rangers-Delta Force operation, in Somalia in 1993, ended in
disaster with the shooting down of two helicopters and the deaths of 18 American
soldiers.

On October 20, the speed and intensity of the Taliban response at Mullah Omar's
compound "scared the crap out of everyone", a senior officer told the New
Yorker, which reported that the setback had triggered an inquiry into how such
commando raids were planned and executed by Central Command.

Since military operations against the Taliban began on October 7, there has been
grumbling among the Penta gon's civilian leadership that Gen Franks, an
artillery officer, is too hidebound and too steeped in US military doctrine and
its reliance on overwhelming firepower, to lead a special forces campaign
requiring guile and stealth.

Some senior officials want special forces operations to be run directly from the
Pentagon.

Gen Franks and the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, General Richard
Myers, both denied that the Taliban had inflicted casualties on US forces. Gen
Franks, who is based in Tampa, Florida, said there were injuries during the
operation, but that "we had no one wounded by enemy fire."

The failure of the October 20 raid prompted senior British officers, to
emphasise the importance of good intelligence. They made it clear they did not
yet have it, and the postmortem following the raid has delayed repeat
operations.

"We need proper, joined-up, serious operations," a British defence source said. 

However, with better intelligence, further raids by small groups of special
forces are now on the cards once more, almost certainly involving British
special forces.

British military planners also advised the US that a better option would be to
set up a forward operating base inside Afghanistan. But that, they said, would
have to wait. "The US will have to bomb their way into that position," a British
defence source said.

Meanwhile, the US strategy is now to focus firepower on assisting the Northern
Alliance and other opposition groups to make advances against the Taliban. The
Northern Alliance is said to be poised for major offensives on the capital Kabul
and Mazar-i-Sharif after carpet-bombing by US B-52's have pummelled the Taliban
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