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July 31, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


I have been hammering away at some of my cyber-journalist friends in
insisting that what goes in the name of a crusade against pornography is
anything but that - because what plays out now is the sophisticated use of
"useful idiots" to condition people to censorship on the well-practiced
principle of contiguity - and on ". . . the less you know, the hotter you
get."  The Fundamentalist Right is sizzling.

How does that translate, though, to you and me?  The excerpts came from the
Village Voice, not exactly your traditional mag.

Entitled "Who Opened Their E-mail?  It's the Kiddie Porn Crusaders," it was
written by Annette Fuentes:

"Don't look now, but some FBI suits may be lurking around the chat room or,
worse, secretly surveilling your e-mail and other private cyberspace
communications. And chances are it's all in the name of fighting child
pornography.

That's what two New York City women learned recently when each received
certified mail from the U.S. Justice Department. The letters, dated May 20,
explained that ''between the dates of August 1, 1995 and August 26, 1995,
electronic communications involving you or persons using your America
Online username were intercepted.''

The letters listed several other account numbers and their respective
screen names suggestive of pornography, none of which had any connection to
the women.

''I was horrified,'' said one of the victims, a professor at SUNY Old
Westbury. ''At first I didn't understand what it was all about. I didn't
recognize any of the screen names.''

She called the assistant U.S. attorney who had signed the letter, John
David Kuchta, in Virginia. He told her the rationale for the surveillance
was child porn.

She told him, in turn, that she felt her privacy and civil rights had been
violated, whereupon he said to her:

"Don't worry, you were just caught up in the net. You didn't do anything
criminal, and you should support what we're doing."

A friend of hers was treated likewise.  This lady, an educator in the
Queens library system, according to this Village Voice essay,

". . . was stunned to learn that almost a year after the fact, the FBI was
disclosing that they'd been spying on (my) travels through cyberspace.

'I don't expect total privacy online the same way I know the telephone
isn't really private,'' she said. ''But how often will the government raise
the specter of child porn to justify this?''

This lady e-mailed AOL, explaining her outrage. By return mail came a form
letter from Jean Villanueva, a vice president for corporate communications,
stating that AOL had merely complied with a court order obtained by the
Justice Department when it ''monitored'' the e-mail of six AOL subscribers.


It was part of Justice's campaign, ''Innocent Images,'' Villanueva explained.

He referred her to a special Justice Department hotline set up to deal with
AOL subscribers like the two ladies above, innocents caught in the web.

One of them called the hotline, left a message, and two weeks later got a
call back from a lady, Tonya Fox, who told her there were some 840 other
AOL subscribers like her who had "accidentally" stumbled into the FBI's
cyber wiretaps.  If she wanted to read her file on her own surveillance,
she should get herself a lawyer.

Reports the Village Voice:

"How (these two ladies) were scooped up by the FBI they can't figure out.
If one of them tripped into FBI surveillance of a suspected pornographer,
did she then lead the feds to her friend through their e-mail
correspondence?

ACLU associate director Barry Steinhardt says that while it's legal for the
government armed with a warrant to surveil the e-mail and other private
cyber communications of suspected criminals, it is not legal to extend the
surveillance to unrelated communications of innocent bystanders who chance
into chat rooms or read electronic bulletin boards while a suspect is also
present.

''What has happened here is the most intrusive form of e-mail
interception,'' Steinhardt said. ''The government can get a subpoena to
intercept real-time e-mail, which is the equivalent of phone wiretapping.
They can also use a variety of devices to retrieve stored e-mail.''

But, adds Steinhardt, what is legal and what should be lawful are two
different things."

Justin Williams, chief of the Justice Department's criminal division in
Alexandria, Virginia, could not comment on the particular investigation
that snared these two women. Creatively he insisted, however, that what
happened to them ''was not a surveillance.''

''You wouldn't say their e-mail was read,'' Williams said. ''It could be
they were surfing the Internet and happened into a particular room where by
chance there is an [individual] under electronic surveillance.''

Williams said their hotline received 160 calls from AOL subscribers
similarly surveyed. While the statute regulating government
surveillance Title III requires Justice to notify the targets of
eavesdropping, notifying innocent bystanders is discretionary, he said.

Williams could not say how many such online surveillances the Justice
Department is conducting. But ACLU lawyer Steinhardt says in the past year,
the government's pursuit of child porn in cyberspace has reached a fever
pitch.

Welcome to the New World Order!  No wonder the Fundamentalists talk of the
computer as THE BEAST.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"You'll furnish the pictures, and I'll furnish the war."

(William Randolph Hearst)


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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


I am now catching up on the news:

*       The Germans would say:  "Ernst Z=FCndel's collar burst."  It is=
 true;
he has filed an $8.5 million dollar suit against Sabina Citron, two other
individuals affiliated with the Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association,
and the organization itself - this after 15 years of continuous verbal
harassment and intimidation, threats and attempts to lay new charges.

The Z=FCndel counter-charge is not libel but deprivation of his
constitutionally guaranteed rights to free speech and assembly and
malicious prosecution.  I feel for him;  Ernst does not relish courts.  The
man he could have been artistically was sacrificed to law suits initiated
by his enemies.

*       And speaking of law suits, word has come to us that Linda Thompson,
herself an attorney of note and a name well-known to Waco Watchers, is
pursuing law suits against the ADL and against Nizkor.  I do not know the
lady and do not know details - perhaps someone can fill me in?

*       Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Reviews comments on a
recent broadcast pertaining to "hate websites":

"The July 23 broadcast of "The Site" was a biased piece of reporting.
Millions of viewers of the new MSNBC television network were given the
impression that the Institute for Historical Review is a "hate group," even
though not a single example of IHR "hate" was cited.

By contrast, this Ziff Davis television production treated the Simon
Wiesenthal Center respectfully, even though this fervently Zionist
organization seeks to censor what Americans read, and ardently supports a
government (Israel) that routinely suppresses people (Palestinian Arabs) on
the basis of their ancestry.

Which organization -- the IHR or the Wiesenthal Center -- can more aptly be
characterized as a 'hate' group?

This report's bias was perhaps most manifest at the conclusion, when the
Web site address of the Wiesenthal Center was shown on screen, but ours was
not."

*       Here is a very interesting statistic that somebody sent to us.  If
there's a statistician among our readers who knows how to extrapolate, here
are the baseline data, as reported by John Lemberger, Executive Director,
AMCHA, National Israeli Center for Psychosocial Support of Survivors of the
Holocaust and the Second Generation:

"Although I cannot provide information on concentration camp survivors I
can say that approximately 300,000 Holocaust survivors live in Israel
today.

This is according to statistics compiled by the Brookdale Institute of
Gerontology. Of these about 200,000 are aged 65+, and 100,000 were children
during the war, making them 55-65 today. Taking these Israeli figures, and
considering that approximately 2/3 of survivors came to Israel after the
war, this would mean approximately 150,000 are scattered all over the
world. The latest registry of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors
(together with the USHMM) lists 105,000 survivors, but it is possible that
many of them are spouses and/or children."

Here is my question:  Given that the above statistics are correct, and
assuming normal mortality over 50 years, what might have been the ACTUAL
number of survivors at the end of World War II?

*       As reported in an Australian paper, The Advertiser, Saturday, July
6, 1996:

". . . The Adelaide Institute has put in a complaint to the
Attorney-General's Department that the Babylonian Talmud contains hate
literature and is racist, is full of bigotry, is offensive to everyone not
Jewish, especially to Christians and to every decent Jew who believes in
the equality of humankind, and it needs investigation . . ."

As reported in the Spotlight, May 20, 1996:

". . . the example which most sickened (two) left-wing lecturers was the
appearance of "communist" chairman Gennadi Zyuganov-who is leading Boris
Yeltzin in the Russian presidential campaign-on the cover of issue No. 1.
(1994) of the magazine Soil, Tied to our Blood:

"We (Russians) are the last power on this planet that is capable of
mounting a challenge to the New World Order-the global cosmopolitan
dictatorship," said Zyuganov, chairman of the Russian Federation Communist
Party.  "We must work against our. . . destroyers, using means as carefully
thought-out and as goal oriented as theirs are.  The unity of all
nationalist forces is as necessary to this end as air."

And, finally, from Israel comes this, as reported in Maclean's magazine,
Canada, June 10, 1996:

'We don't believe in multinational states,' said Labor Health Minister
Ephraim Sneh. 'It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is full of
horrifying examples of what happens in multinational states. Separation is
the only way to build a reasonable co-existence here.'

.. 'I don't care if separation is not in keeping with the taste of Western
liberals,' said Tropper [prominent Jerusalem community worker].

*       Last but not least:   if you want to know what censorship really
looks like, go to http://www.inm.de/people/nico/tkg.html.  Be sure to
scroll down a screen.


Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

"I was not born a Revionist, I was made into one!"

Overheard



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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Now that the so-called German "war criminals" are dying out, some people
fear that the Simon Wiesenthal Center of Tolerance might have seen its
heyday of action and have to go out of business.

Not so.  It will merely shift its attention.  Consider the following:

A Reuters report a few days ago has it that Amnesty International stated that

". . . Israel deliberately shelled a United Nations compound in Lebanon
last April in an attack that killed more than 100 civilians.

In a strongly worded statement, the London-based human rights group said
the killings during Israel's "Grapes of Wrath" operation against Hizbollah
guerrillas in south Lebanon were in clear breach of the rules of war.

Amnesty also accused Hizbollah of breaking international law with its
rocket attacks on civilians across the border in Israel, but the main
thrust of the Amnesty statement was highly critical of Israel.

Amnesty said it had carried out field investigations with the aid of a
high-ranking military expert in Israel and Lebanon into the attack on the
Qana compound. . .

Amnesty said in its statement: "The available information indicates that
the Israeli Defense Forces intentionally attacked the U.N. compound,
despite Israeli claims that the attack was a mistake."

A U.N. report into the shelling concluded last May that it was unlikely the
attack had been a mistake, but the report's findings were rejected by the
Israeli government.

"The horrific nature of the events at Qana has only been made worse by the
Israeli government's refusal to own up to its responsibility,'' Amnesty
said.

"Even if it was a mistake -- and Israel has failed to show that it was --
the IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) would still bear responsibility for taking
the risk to launch an attack so close to the U.N. compound."

Amnesty also accused Israel of the unlawful killing of six civilians when
an Israeli helicopter attacked an ambulance taking victims out of the war
zone.

Amnesty said it found no evidence to back Israel's explanation that the
vehicle was being used by Hizbollah.

Similarly, Amnesty rejected Israel's assertion that it had only attacked a
house, killing nine people, because Hizbollah members had run inside.

"Such killings must be investigated, those responsible for abuses punished
and the victims compensated,'' Amnesty said.

How did such atrocitry happen?  Here is Ari Shavit - from all we can tell,
an Israeli reporter straight out of the trenches.  He filed the following,
translated from Hebrew in "Liberation" of May 21, 1996 and titled "Cana:
102 Faceless Dead."

"We killed 170 people in Lebanon, most of whom were refugees, during the
month of April,  1996. Many of them were women, old people and children. We
killed 9 civilians, one a 2 year old girl and one, a centenarian, in
Sahmour, on April 11th. We killed 11 civilians, including 7 children, in
Nabatyeh, on April 18th. In the UN Camp in Cana,  we killed 102 people.

We made sure to inflict death from a distance. In a very secular manner,
without the archaic idea of sin, without the antediluvian worry to consider
man in the image of God, and without the primitive proscription, "You shall
not kill!"

Our solid alibi is that we are responsible for nothing, that the
responsibility falls on Hezbollah. A most doubtful alibi. For when we
decided to launch a massive attack on the civilian region of South Lebanon
(while Israel ran no vital risk), we decided, ipso facto, to spill the
blood of X number of civilians. When we decided to drive half a million
people out of their homes and to shell those who remained behind (while in
Israel, we did not have one single victim), we decided, in fact, to execute
several dozen of them. This (alibi) allowed us to make such cruel decisions
without seeing ourselves as rotten.

We killed them because the increasingly wider gap between the sacrosanct
character that we attribute to our own lives and the more limited character
we give to theirs, allowed us to kill.  We believe, in the most absolute
manner, with the White House, the Senate, the Pentagon, and the New York
Times on our side, that their lives do not have the same weight as ours. We
are convinced that with Dimona (Israel's atomic site), Yad Vashem and the
Shoah Museum in our hand, we have the right to compel 400,000 people to
evacuate their homes in 8 hours. And we have the right, at the end of 8
hours, to consider their homes as military targets. And we reserve the
right to rain 16,000 shells on their villages and their populations. And we
reserve the right to kill without any guilt feelings.

But all this cannot alleviate the gravity of the massacre, Israeli style,
and our responsibility for its execution. For it is perpetrated, in
general, in places to which we give free range to immoderate violence.

The shelling of Cana was executed according to the rules, orders and
objectives of operation, "Grapes of Wrath."  There is something wrong in
these rules, orders and objectives. Something that is no longer human.
Something that touches on the criminal.

And all of us, without exception, were an integral part of this machine.
The public supported the media, who supported the government, who supported
the Chief of Staff, who supported the inquiry officer, who supported the
officers, who supported the soldiers who fired the three shells that killed
102 in Cana.

Nothing can prevent Cana from becoming an integral part of our biography.
Because, after Cana, we did not denounce the crime, we did not want to
subject the affair to the eyes of the law, we merely wanted to deny the
horror and go on with our current affairs. That is how Cana is part of
ourselves -- like one of the features of our face.

As the massacre perpetrated by Baruch Goldstein (in the Cave of the
Patriarchs on Muslims while praying) and the crime committed by Ygal Amir
(like the reactions to them) were manifestations of rotten seeds in the
heart of the national-religious culture, the massacre of Cana is no less
extreme a grain of rottenness in the heart of secular Israeli culture: its
cynicism, brutality, instrumentalism, egocentrism of the powerful; this
tendency to blur the frontier between good and evil, between permitted and
prohibited; this tendency not to require justice, not to care about truth.

The manner in which contemporary Israel has functioned during and after
Cana shows that modern, rational Israeli life conceals a terrifying aspect.
. . "

Well, it is never too late to repent.  The Simon Wiesenthal Center of
Tolerance thus has its work cut out.   In the name of our dead, we invite
them to start getting busy.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Our law teaches us that the wealth of the future will be according to the
measure of the sacrifices of the past."

>From "Gazeta de Vest," a Romanian Nationalist publication



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Today's birthdays: Ernie Pyle, Rupert Brooke.

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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


On Monday, July 29, I left my office to drive up to Central California to
see my oldest son on a medical emergency.  I have just now returned to a
bushelful of letters and some magnificent news - about more of which
tomorrow, as soon as I can get my bearings.

To say that it was an eventful trip is speaking euphemistically.

It started with a blown tire on Interstate 5 near Gustine.

"I-Five," as it is called, is probably one of the world's busiest yest most
monotonous freeways, the worst of which is a five-hour stretch through the
Imperial and San Joaquin Valleys - a stretch of dry, hot flatlands.  There
are very few settlements between what is called the "Grapevine", a mountain
pass north of Los Angeles, and Stockton, a mid-sized valley town, where I
was heading on that afternoon.

I later heard on the news that it was the hottest day on record, and with a
flat tire in the middle of nowhere - with no shade, no water, no anything
for miles and miles and miles - it felt like being in the middle of a
furnace going full blast.

I got out of my car, raised my hood, took a T-shirt out of my suitcase to
fashion an emergency flag, and stood next to my crippled vehicle,
attempting to flag someone down to notify Highway Patrol to call emergency
road service for me.  I thought that it would be a matter of minutes.  In
the past, I had dealt with stalled vehicles, and I knew that it never took
long for Highway Patrol to show up.

I would say that an average of 10-15 cars and trucks per minute passed me
by - double that number going in the opposite direction on the freeway that
was divived by a rather wide strip.  I could be clearly seen both ways.

Nobody stopped.  Nobody honked even once.  As far as I could see, nobody
waved at me, and here I was - first standing by the hood, then sitting on
the trunk ledge because I was getting weak-kneed from the heat, and finally
sitting on the grass because the heat was such that I was beginning to
think I was back in the tropics.  I knew that kind of sun.  It is a killer
sun.  You don't survive it easily for long without a huge sombrero.

It was about 2 p.m. in the afternoon, and I was beginning to feel myself
getting disoriented.  I was also extremely thirsty.

The cars and trucks just kept on whipping by.  Not one slowed down or stopped.

After about an hour of this, I realized that this was now the pattern.
Nobody WAS going to stop.  Worse yet, apparently no one was using their
cellular phone to call a highway cop - which would have been easy to do.

When I felt myself getting extremely dehydrated, I thought I'd better get
into the car - at least that would give me some shade.

It was incredibly hot inside as well, and I remember thinking that I might
have to stay overnight and that this would be dangerous because these huge,
huge trucks were shooting by me like torpedoes.

My car was shaking with each blast, and I was afraid that, at night, with
perhaps the battery being drained by the emergency lights that were
flashing, I could easily be hit.  Besides, it doesn't cool much at night in
the Valley,  and I didn't think I could afford to close the windows and
lock myself in for safety.

There was an orchard about 300 feet from where my car was stalled, and I
was beginning to think that I might have to sleep on the ground in that
orchard.  Not that that would be easy -  there was a chain link fence that
I would have to climb.

I kept looking at my watch, and by the time I had waited for two hours with
nobody stopping to help, I was clearly starting to hallucinate.  I noticed
something very, very strange - and that was an enormous ocean of
indifference.  Just huge black waves of nothingness.  My mind refused to
care.

By then, I was slumped over the steering wheel, just rocking with each air
blast from the passing trucks.  I spent another hour like that, swimming in
these waves of total, absolute indifference and inertia.  I thought that
this was IT - that what was now upon me was a heat stroke.  I was quite
certain I would die.  Not that I gave a hoot.

And all the while, wild things were dancing in my head - things I observed,
detached.

One of these odd mirages became a brand new van that stopped about 5:30,
out of which climbed two hugely fat black ladies who spoke what I assumed
to be Swahili.  Those two got out of the van, pulled me out of my seat,
propped me up against the car, and asked in this strange, odd language if I
had lost my mind.  They asked this by using their hands.

I realized by and by, and only after putting out enormous mental effort
through that enormous fog of nothingness, that what they spoke was not
Swahili but the guttural, almost incomprehensible language of deaf mutes.

I asked them in a voice that was somebody else's voice to give me a ride to
the next town or at least to the next telephone.  They packed me into the
back seat of a wonderfully air conditioned van and drove to what I later
realized was a little valley town, Gustine.

Then they took off in a huge cloud of dust after they gave me a vigorous
scolding for traveling alone.

I kind of weaved inside a small convenience store and asked the clerk if he
would please call Triple-A, my emergency road service.

He said:  "I can't do that."

I said:  "I'm very sick.  Please call."

He said:  "I can't.  I'm not allowed to.  It took me six months to get this
crummy job."

I was still on the edge of fainting.  I wanted to sit down.  The only thing
I could see was a set of stairs behind the counter, next to the cash
register, and so I said:  "Please.  Can't I sit down there, for just a
minute, to pull myself together?"

He said:  "Are you crazy, or what?"

"I'm just so sick.  I'm going to faint any minute."

"Well, go across the street.  There is another shop.  Maybe they'll help
you, lady."

To make it across the street and into the next convenience store turned out
to be a monumental undertaking, but somehow I made it across and inside.

The clerk there was a Mexican with a huge pony tail.  I held onto the
counter for dear life and asked the pony tail to please make that
life-saving phone call.  And bless his heart, he did.

There was a small bench by the window, just large enough for two - and
there I sat down, and he came and sat next to me.  He didn't say a word.
It was a kind, quiet gesture I will remember for a long time.

By that time, my vision was completely gone; my hearing almost gone.  The
world was black, and all my energies were focused on not fainting.  Somehow
I pulled a sentence  out of my brain and said:  "Get me some orange juice."

He said:  "It costs a dollar."

To open that purse and fish for that money was something that I could no
longer do.  And so I said:  "Just take it out of my purse."

"I'll get you a glass of cold water."

That helped some.  Not enough.

He said after a while:  "Maybe if you would go to the rest room and cool
your face, you would feel better."

I kind of guessed the direction and somehow made it inside.  I turned on
the faucet and let the cold water run over my wrists.  That helped
enormously.  I could stop shaking, and that black ocean drained away and I
could see again.

When I came out, I told the clerk:  "I let the water run over my ankles."
I meant to say "wrists," but that word was no longer retrievable.

He had decided, by that time, to take a risk on that small can of orange
juice, and I had recovered sufficient coordination to give him a handful of
coins.  So that settled that.  That can of orange juice made me coherent
and coordinated enough to ask and pay for a second, and then a candy bar.

It took another hour for Triple-A to come.  For some odd reason still
unexplained to me, the tire could not be changed on the road.  It was
almost dark by the time the owner of the tire shop, to where road service
hauled my car, was finished putting on a new tire.

It was a long, long wait.

While I was waiting, another customer sat opposite me, and I said to him:
"This is Gustine, isn't it?  Don't you guys have Highway Patrol in
Gustine?"

"They're cutting back on everything.  If you know what I mean."

I told him I remembered Gustine from some twelve years ago when I did
autograph programs for many small service clubs in the happy flush of a new
book - my autobiography, just published.  I used to do dozens and dozens of
small valley towns in those years.  I remember those luncheons with
fondness, the town of Gustine being one.

Wonderful places.  Wonderful people.

I used to do a 30-minute program for a bunch of young, successful, smartly
dressed professionals and business folks, sell tons of books, have a good
time, and walk away a star - $600-$800 richer.  I told him that,
remembering.

"Not now you couldn't," said my counterpart.

"What do you mean, not now?"

"This town is dead.  Every second small business has gone under.  You drive
along main street, and all you see is boarded up windows.  Life isn't what
it used to be, if you know what I mean."

I said:  "Who is at fault?"
At that, he leaned over me and said in what felt like a hiss:  "Big
business, if you know what I mean.  That's what we call it.  Big business.
Big business.  It kills the little guy.  It kills America."

This, then, was my experience in 1996.  It has been sobering.

Folk wisdom has it that there is a lesson we take away from everything
experienced.  My lesson from that afternoon is that, in 1996, on one of
America's most-traveled freeways, you can die like a dog, and for no good
reason - with nobody any the wiser.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The human race's prospect of survival were considerably better when we
were defenseless against tigers than they are today when we have become
defenseless against ourselves."

(Arnold Toynbee)


















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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Now that I have waded through five days' worth of e-mail, I am pulling the
most important items to pass on to my readers.  Here goes:

*       Only a week ago, the Holocaust Promotion Lobby via its  instrument,
SIRC, was all ready and roaring to re-start the Z=FCndel hearings, apparentl=
.y
with the well-known Canadian-Jewish lawyer Goodman as the Sitting Member or
Judge.  SIRC wanted Ernst and his lawyer, Doug Christie, to set aside at
least one entire, continuous month for these hearings in September or
October.

Well, it did not happen that way!

Now, this absolutely splendid news comes from the Zundel-Haus:  "Good news
>from  Ottawa!  The Federal Court Judge ruled in our favor in a 935 page
judgment.  The SIRC hearings will be stopped."

Read that again!  The SIRC hearings will be stopped!!

This means that the Jewish Lobby has been dealt a significant setback by a
Canadian Court.  A gentile judge, fully cognizant of the reaction he was
going to cause, ruled ultimately to thwart them in their scheme to get
Ernst deported over this citizenship matter.

One reader wrote that evening:

"Ernst Zundel was featured on both CBC TV news and CTV news last nite re
his victory over SIRC-CSIS. In fact, he was the lead story in the latter's
ratings-topper news programme.

=46or "balance" Bernie Farber was interviewed after EZ. BF looked and sounde=
.d
awful. EZ looked and sounded great.

CBC TV carried the 5-minute (convoluted?) long story at its hourly news
programme, CNN-style. The word "victory" was used prominently.

The typical anti-Zundel CBC and CTV reaction was, to my eyes and ears,
somewhat muted."

Ernst thinks that the Holocaust Hucksters, using ever-handy government
resources and tax payer money again, will appeal this decision to the
=46ederal Appeal Court and all the way to the Canadian Supreme Court - or
else introduce legislation in Parliament to change the laws to get Z=FCndel
out.  Each time they do, however, they leave another paper trail of how
they operate.  Ultimately, all that serves the Revisionist cause.

*       I have had massive information that now there is a naked global
push to stop "pornographers and neo-Nazis" - please note the constant
repetition of the two unrelated words! - from being on the Internet.

Below is a representative excerpt:

"UNITED NATIONS (Jul 17, 1996 10:47 a.m. EDT) --

International standards for the Internet may be necessary to prevent
pornographers and neo-Nazis from using cyberspace to circumvent national
laws, Germany's minister for family affairs says.

'Because the Internet knows no national borders, we will be able to protect
youth only through international standards,' said Claudia Nolte, who was at
the United Nations on Tuesday to discuss ways to protect women and children
>from  violence and sexual exploitation.

Nolte told reporters that while the Internet offered 'many positive
opportunities' for exchanging information, the global computer network
could be abused by neo-Nazis and pornographers operating outside national
jurisdictions.

She said the United Nations could play a role in developing international
standards to control such abuse."

*       Canadian Marc Lemire's internet troubles are not yet over.  The
latest I heard is that he has had his newest e-mail account terminated
because, and I quote from a message on my answering machine:  ". . . I sent
a press release to ABC  . . . "

However, all is not lost.  Electronic Frontier Canada, in turn, sent out a
(to me, tongue-in-cheek)  press release August 1, 1996 that reads, in part,
as follows:

"BC teenager takes on BC government in bold free speech battle

A 15-year-old boy in Smithers, BC, says he will be 'mirroring' the
controversial web pages that had prompted the BC Attorney General to call
for controls on the flow of 'hate' through the Internet.

=46rank Sayre, who acts as webmaster for the `Canuck Soup' web pages says, '=
.I
decided to mirror the `Freedom Site' because of B.C.'s misguided attempt to
censor the Internet'.

'I do not agree with the Freedom Site's content,' he continues, 'but I do
agree that they have a fundamental right to express their political
opinions, both on and off the Internet.'

'The B.C. government has no experience or understanding of cyberspace, ....
nor does it have any right to censor or suppress legal expression, even if
it's on a web site,' says the young cyber-activist."

*       From Australia comes not-so-good news.  David Irving, the
best-selling mainstream historical writer, still cannot visit Australia
because he dared to question conventional Holocaust claims:

'Yesterday, a full bench of the Federal Court rejected (Irving's) case that
the Australian Government was wrong to ban him from entering the country
for a 1993 lecture tour.

As the author of several revisionist histories, Mr. Irving sparked
international outrage with his claim that Hitler did not order the
extermination of the Jews and that reports of the Nazi Holocaust had been
grossly exaggerated.

His plans for a 1993 Australian tour caused widespread protests,
particularly from the Jewish community.  The then Immigration Minister,
Nick Bolkus, said the entry ban was prompted by fears that Mr. Irving's
visit would be disruptive and could even cause violence.

In September, 1993, the Federal Court ruled the ban invalid and said it
should be reviewed. But Senator Bolkus again refused Mr. Irving entry,
saying he did not meet the public interest criteria of good character.

A new court challenge was rejected by the Federal Court last August and on
appeal by the Full Court yesterday.  The three judges said it was not the
court's function to decide if Mr. Irving was of good character, but simply
to satisfy itself that the minister had a reasonable basis for his
decision.

Mr. Irving had been convicted in West Germany of defaming the memory of the
dead, fined $30,000 and expelled from the country. He had been deported
>from  Canada, refused entry to Italy and South Africa and jailed in England
for contempt of court.

All these were matters the minister was entitled to take into account in
assessing whether or not Mr. Irving was a person of good character. The
decision must stand unless there had been an error of law. No such error
had been established in this case, the court found."

Once again we see here how the Holocaust Promotion Lobby use the
anti-democratic, anti-free speech legislation and pro-Holocaust laws.
Their post-war occupation regime in Germany had enacted to criminalize
people like David Irving and Ernst Z=FCndel.  They then use these conviction=
.s
in Germany to bar Irving from Canada, Australia, New Zealand and ultimately
use illegal laws by their own standards to bar people from other
countries..

One thing is very clear in all of this - and that is that the cat is now
out of the bag.  Almost exclusively, with only a few notable exceptions in
England and Canada, Jewish lobbyists everywhere are in the forefront to
stifle free speech.   The enemy has had no choice but to identify itself in
this campaign and to admit what is at stake - i.e., the crumbling version
of the "Holocaust" and how it has been used and is continued to be used as
both extortion tool and shield.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day

"Three syllables govern the world"

(John Seldon paraphrased)




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August 5, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


One of my favorite passages comes from Will and Ariel Durant:

"Civilization is a stream with banks.  The stream is sometimes filled with
blood from people killing, stealing, shouting and doing things historians
usually record - while on the banks, unnoticed, people build homes, make
love, raise children, sing songs, write poetry and even whittle statues.

The story of civilization is the story of what happened on the banks.
Historians are pessimists because they ignore the banks for the river."

Here is what I am telling you:   On the banks of our bloody century there
quietly grows a new crop of youngsters I herewith christen the Renaissance
Generation.

This generation will replace the Flower Children, the Hippies, the Yuppies,
and the Generation X.  These are young students of Aryan background who
have decided to assert themselves - and do so not with yelps and shrieks
and in that wrecking spirit that passes for "political correctness" but in
a manner that does pride and justice to their roots.

Below are two representative examples.

"Here in California we are VERY LUCKY just to have a club at all. Every
other ethnic groups has several clubs (Vietnamese Nurses, Vietnamese
Engineers) etc. There has NEVER been an Irish or Celtic club here at all as
far as I know.

I am bilingual (Spanish) and into other cultures. However, what I have
noticed is that the university is extremely ethnocentric. Each ethnic group
supports its own kids.

For example, the Portuguese community has a professor on campus who
provides emotional and financial support to the students. The Portuguese
community provides scholarship administered through this professor's
office. They have a "place" on the large campus.

Other groups like Latinos, Africans, Jewish Americans, and others have
courses and scholarships available for their students. There are literally
millions of dollars of tax money in scholarships for students who belong to
a culture that is considered "diverse".

There is so much money available for Vietnamese students, for example, that
the school can't find enough students to spend it on!!! This is federal and
state money - your taxes. This money is available to millionaires' children
as long as they are considered to be diverse.

An Irish person is not diverse, he is classified as "white" or white-bred.
There is not a dime for an Irish American student living in his car because
he is not considered to be diverse.

The Irish students have literally been "pushed away" from the university,
especially low and middle income students, and the many Irish students from
single parent homes like myself.

I am currently on a grant intended for a Latino student, but since I have
near-native fluency, I was able to qualify for it. But no one offered it to
me. I had to fight for it.

By the way, many student clubs receive Ford Foundation and other grants.
The Chinese students receive money from their community. All groups help
their kids either by lobbying for grants from taxpayers/foundations, or
donating it to their ethnic group's club on campus.

Did you know that the various ethnic groups have segregated graduation
parties for their own co-ethnics, paid for by the taxpayers and the
students' fees from the student body? Various groups such as Filipinos,
Latinos, and African Americans have their own separate graduation
celebrations that are segregated but paid for by taxpayer money.

Our culture is booming, despite the hate and neglect of the dominant
culture. Our dance, the beautiful Irish dance, is absoutely astounding in
its growth. Our language, Irish Gaelic, is being studied in our community.
All of this without the benefit of the massive grants received by other
groups.

Please discuss these issues without using slurs. All groups deserve
respect. Please refer to different groups as they wish to be designated.  I
don't want to be called a "mick" for example - I am an American of Irish
descent.

I think it is important to discuss these issues in a respectful manner. I
think others need to be aware of where their taxes are going. I am posting
this on germanica-l as the Germanic American students are treated the same
as the Irish or worse!!

Anybody who is interested in Irish/Celtic issues can contact me at MaryCelt
@aol.com."

There must be hundreds of thousands of youngsters like Mary (and "Kevin",
below) on our campuses.  I had a modest pizza with him the other day
because he happened to be in my area.

I met  him and half a dozen of his friends a few weeks ago up North when he
invited me to speak at his college.  Morris Dees of the "Southern Poverty
Law Center" had just been up there doing a mighty smear on television on
behalf of New World Order interest and against them for wanting their own
ethnic club.  As might have been expected, this caused a lot of flak -
which only caused these students to link arms, close ranks and quietly
solidify their front.

Kevin is a quiet, thoughtful youngster from a military family.  At present,
he is training for a military career with the marines.  You would never
notice Kevin in a crowd.  He is absolutely unpretentious but quietly
focused on what now needs to happen.

One of his ideas - and it is an excellent one - is to use tapes to
penetrate the biases of academia.  Here is what Kevin wrote in follow-up:

"I have now found the Irving tape that we will use next year. I would like
to send you a copy so you will know why so many people are convinced by
watching one of his lectures.

We will also be distributing the Irving video to college Profs. We will
include a letter claiming we are concerned students who want to know if the
material is wrong or not.

I believe these Profs will feel obligated to at least watch the video and
respond. If they do watch the video, they will be changed, whether they
want to admit it or not.

They will have to ask themselves, "I wonder if they have something here?"

Kevin and his friends have just about completed what they call a
"Revisionist page" as part of their efforts to launch a nation-wide
outreach program into other colleges.  The URL is:
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling

If you know of young people who are interested in rolling up their sleeves
on their own campuses, please have them get in touch with the webmaster of
this web page or have them write to me, and I will channel them to other
contacts that I have - for instance, an excellent contact in Ohio where
another quiet American-European nucleus is forming.

Have a nice week!  And keep your toes crossed for the upcoming San Diego
Convention where all of us expect surprises coming from the  Buchanan camp.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Persons who would be placed outside the pale of society with contempt are
not those who would be placed there by another culture."

(Ruth Benedict)


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August 6, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

When I first met Ernst and wanted to know how his mind and heart worked, I
asked:  "Who is your very best friend on earth?" and he said:  "If I had to
keep only one and lose all others, I would choose to keep Dr. Faurisson."

At various times since, I have heard Ernst say:  "You'd never know it, but
Dr. Faurisson is tough as nails . . . " and ". . . without Dr. Faurisson's
work, there would not be Revisionism as we know it."

I had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Faurisson almost two years ago, and I
remember vividly how very funny he was as he described how he walked right
into the Lion's Den, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, to lay his own
immortal line on Dr. Berenbaum, the Director of the Museum:  "Show me a gas
chamber.  Don't show me hair.  Don't show me teeth.  Don't show me glasses
. . ." (This video is available from the Institute for Historical Review.)
Ever since, I have adopted Dr. Faurisson myself as one belonging to my
"inner family."

About a week ago, I received an e-mail from Yvonne, his sister.  Here's
what Yvonne wrote:

"I have now an awkward thing to tell you and I hope it will not upset you,
because it shouldn't. But I feel my duty is to put the records straight
about a piece of you ZGram dated July 25. If I didn't, I would feel guilty.


You wrote that 'Ernst Z=FCndel was the first man EVER in almost fifty years
who said: "It's well and good to CLAIM the Holocaust occurred. But where is
the scientific evidence?'

Well, I think Ernst himself will tell you that this is not quite exact.
Robert Faurisson was the first man, EVER, to have asked (for) the
scientific evidence of the Holocaust and he precisely used the word "murder
weapon" about gas chambers.

That's why he went to Baltimore and other places in 1976 in order to study
the gas chamber weapon and see if it could have been used in the German
concentration camps.

Right since that time he said, and wrote, that the use of the gas chamber
weapon was SCIENTIFICALLY impossible (see, for instance, his  interview of 1979 published in S. Thion's .

If you ask Ernst, he will tell you himself that it was because Robert had
said that someone should go and make a forensic study on the spot that,
much later, when Ernst learned about Robert's work, he asked him (for) his
files about the American gas chambers and decided that he, Ernst, would
initiate such a forensic study.

And that's where he was great!

I tell you what happened next: Ernst asked Robert to go and see Leuchter.
Robert was the one who went to meet Leuchter first.

And, believe me, Fred, the biggest specialist in gas chambers, had never
questioned the German gas chambers! He really thought they had existed and
he had never wondered what they had been made of, even though he should
have been interested in those gas chambers as being related to his daily
job!

It is only when Robert showed him the Auschwitz drawings that he said,
right away: No, gas chambers couldn't have been used in such places!

Neither Robert, nor anyone will ever forget that it (was) Ernst who was the
one who made the Leuchter Report possible!"

Yvonne is absolutely right, and I should have been more detailed and
specific.  I knew this story myself because I heard it exactly from Ernst
the way Yvonne described it.  I should have said that had it not been for
Dr. Faurisson and his ground-breaking forensic work, Ernst would not have
THOUGHT of underwriting and publicizing the actual ABSENCE of the "murder
weapon."

In my mind, it was Ernst who was instrumental in flushing out the lie to
the tune of some $60,000 in 1988 in the middle of the Great Holocaust Trial
# 2 - only to have the judge PREVENT this evidence from being seen and
analyzed by the jury!

Some judge, huh?  These things DO happen in our enemy-infested judicial syst=
em.

The story of that Leuchter trip to Auschwitz has been immortalized in one
of the IHR pamphlets entitled "Inside the Auschwitz Gas Chambers" by Fred
Leuchter and posted on the Zundelsite at:
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/INCORR/incorrect.005.html

But to come back to Dr. Faurisson:  He WAS the first  who started heaving
physical and chemical arguments against the Hoax - and did he ever do it,
at great cost to himself!

How steep the price?

See for yourself at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/05.nizkor/sm_pic.html

Scroll down a screen and be sure to click on the graphic for impact!

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past."

(Thomas Jefferson - 1743 - 1826)



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August 5, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


One of my favorite passages comes from Will and Ariel Durant:

"Civilization is a stream with banks.  The stream is sometimes filled with
blood from people killing, stealing, shouting and doing things historians
usually record - while on the banks, unnoticed, people build homes, make
love, raise children, sing songs, write poetry and even whittle statues.

The story of civilization is the story of what happened on the banks.
Historians are pessimists because they ignore the banks for the river."

Here is what I am telling you:   On the banks of our bloody century there
quietly grows a new crop of youngsters I herewith christen the Renaissance
Generation.

This generation will replace the Flower Children, the Hippies, the Yuppies,
and the Generation X.  These are young students of Aryan background who
have decided to assert themselves - and do so not with yelps and shrieks
and in that wrecking spirit that passes for "political correctness" but in
a manner that does pride and justice to their roots.

Below are two representative examples.

"Here in California we are VERY LUCKY just to have a club at all. Every
other ethnic groups has several clubs (Vietnamese Nurses, Vietnamese
Engineers) etc. There has NEVER been an Irish or Celtic club here at all as
far as I know.

I am bilingual (Spanish) and into other cultures. However, what I have
noticed is that the university is extremely ethnocentric. Each ethnic group
supports its own kids.

For example, the Portuguese community has a professor on campus who
provides emotional and financial support to the students. The Portuguese
community provides scholarship administered through this professor's
office. They have a "place" on the large campus.

Other groups like Latinos, Africans, Jewish Americans, and others have
courses and scholarships available for their students. There are literally
millions of dollars of tax money in scholarships for students who belong to
a culture that is considered "diverse".

There is so much money available for Vietnamese students, for example, that
the school can't find enough students to spend it on!!! This is federal and
state money - your taxes. This money is available to millionaires' children
as long as they are considered to be diverse.

An Irish person is not diverse, he is classified as "white" or white-bred.
There is not a dime for an Irish American student living in his car because
he is not considered to be diverse.

The Irish students have literally been "pushed away" from the university,
especially low and middle income students, and the many Irish students from
single parent homes like myself.

I am currently on a grant intended for a Latino student, but since I have
near-native fluency, I was able to qualify for it. But no one offered it to
me. I had to fight for it.

By the way, many student clubs receive Ford Foundation and other grants.
The Chinese students receive money from their community. All groups help
their kids either by lobbying for grants from taxpayers/foundations, or
donating it to their ethnic group's club on campus.

Did you know that the various ethnic groups have segregated graduation
parties for their own co-ethnics, paid for by the taxpayers and the
students' fees from the student body? Various groups such as Filipinos,
Latinos, and African Americans have their own separate graduation
celebrations that are segregated but paid for by taxpayer money.

Our culture is booming, despite the hate and neglect of the dominant
culture. Our dance, the beautiful Irish dance, is absoutely astounding in
its growth. Our language, Irish Gaelic, is being studied in our community.
All of this without the benefit of the massive grants received by other
groups.

Please discuss these issues without using slurs. All groups deserve
respect. Please refer to different groups as they wish to be designated.  I
don't want to be called a "mick" for example - I am an American of Irish
descent.

I think it is important to discuss these issues in a respectful manner. I
think others need to be aware of where their taxes are going. I am posting
this on germanica-l as the Germanic American students are treated the same
as the Irish or worse!!

Anybody who is interested in Irish/Celtic issues can contact me at MaryCelt
@aol.com."

There must be hundreds of thousands of youngsters like Mary (and "Kevin",
below) on our campuses.  I had a modest pizza with him the other day
because he happened to be in my area.

I met  him and half a dozen of his friends a few weeks ago up North when he
invited me to speak at his college.  Morris Dees of the "Southern Poverty
Law Center" had just been up there doing a mighty smear on television on
behalf of New World Order interest and against them for wanting their own
ethnic club.  As might have been expected, this caused a lot of flak -
which only caused these students to link arms, close ranks and quietly
solidify their front.

Kevin is a quiet, thoughtful youngster from a military family.  At present,
he is training for a military career with the marines.  You would never
notice Kevin in a crowd.  He is absolutely unpretentious but quietly
focused on what now needs to happen.

One of his ideas - and it is an excellent one - is to use tapes to
penetrate the biases of academia.  Here is what Kevin wrote in follow-up:

"I have now found the Irving tape that we will use next year. I would like
to send you a copy so you will know why so many people are convinced by
watching one of his lectures.

We will also be distributing the Irving video to college Profs. We will
include a letter claiming we are concerned students who want to know if the
material is wrong or not.

I believe these Profs will feel obligated to at least watch the video and
respond. If they do watch the video, they will be changed, whether they
want to admit it or not.

They will have to ask themselves, "I wonder if they have something here?"

Kevin and his friends have just about completed what they call a
"Revisionist page" as part of their efforts to launch a nation-wide
outreach program into other colleges.  The URL is:
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling

If you know of young people who are interested in rolling up their sleeves
on their own campuses, please have them get in touch with the webmaster of
this web page or have them write to me, and I will channel them to other
contacts that I have - for instance, an excellent contact in Ohio where
another quiet American-European nucleus is forming.

Have a nice week!  And keep your toes crossed for the upcoming San Diego
Convention where all of us expect surprises coming from the  Buchanan camp.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Persons who would be placed outside the pale of society with contempt are
not those who would be placed there by another culture."

(Ruth Benedict)


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August 6, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

When I first met Ernst and wanted to know how his mind and heart worked, I
asked:  "Who is your very best friend on earth?" and he said:  "If I had to
keep only one and lose all others, I would choose to keep Dr. Faurisson."

At various times since, I have heard Ernst say:  "You'd never know it, but
Dr. Faurisson is tough as nails . . . " and ". . . without Dr. Faurisson's
work, there would not be Revisionism as we know it."

I had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Faurisson almost two years ago, and I
remember vividly how very funny he was as he described how he walked right
into the Lion's Den, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, to lay his own
immortal line on Dr. Berenbaum, the Director of the Museum:  "Show me a gas
chamber.  Don't show me hair.  Don't show me teeth.  Don't show me glasses
. . ." (This video is available from the Institute for Historical Review.)
Ever since, I have adopted Dr. Faurisson myself as one belonging to my
"inner family."

About a week ago, I received an e-mail from Yvonne, his sister.  Here's
what Yvonne wrote:

"I have now an awkward thing to tell you and I hope it will not upset you,
because it shouldn't. But I feel my duty is to put the records straight
about a piece of you ZGram dated July 25. If I didn't, I would feel guilty.


You wrote that 'Ernst Z=FCndel was the first man EVER in almost fifty years
who said: "It's well and good to CLAIM the Holocaust occurred. But where is
the scientific evidence?'

Well, I think Ernst himself will tell you that this is not quite exact.
Robert Faurisson was the first man, EVER, to have asked (for) the
scientific evidence of the Holocaust and he precisely used the word "murder
weapon" about gas chambers.

That's why he went to Baltimore and other places in 1976 in order to study
the gas chamber weapon and see if it could have been used in the German
concentration camps.

Right since that time he said, and wrote, that the use of the gas chamber
weapon was SCIENTIFICALLY impossible (see, for instance, his  interview of 1979 published in S. Thion's .

If you ask Ernst, he will tell you himself that it was because Robert had
said that someone should go and make a forensic study on the spot that,
much later, when Ernst learned about Robert's work, he asked him (for) his
files about the American gas chambers and decided that he, Ernst, would
initiate such a forensic study.

And that's where he was great!

I tell you what happened next: Ernst asked Robert to go and see Leuchter.
Robert was the one who went to meet Leuchter first.

And, believe me, Fred, the biggest specialist in gas chambers, had never
questioned the German gas chambers! He really thought they had existed and
he had never wondered what they had been made of, even though he should
have been interested in those gas chambers as being related to his daily
job!

It is only when Robert showed him the Auschwitz drawings that he said,
right away: No, gas chambers couldn't have been used in such places!

Neither Robert, nor anyone will ever forget that it (was) Ernst who was the
one who made the Leuchter Report possible!"

Yvonne is absolutely right, and I should have been more detailed and
specific.  I knew this story myself because I heard it exactly from Ernst
the way Yvonne described it.  I should have said that had it not been for
Dr. Faurisson and his ground-breaking forensic work, Ernst would not have
THOUGHT of underwriting and publicizing the actual ABSENCE of the "murder
weapon."

In my mind, it was Ernst who was instrumental in flushing out the lie to
the tune of some $60,000 in 1988 in the middle of the Great Holocaust Trial
# 2 - only to have the judge PREVENT this evidence from being seen and
analyzed by the jury!

Some judge, huh?  These things DO happen in our enemy-infested judicial syst=
em.

The story of that Leuchter trip to Auschwitz has been immortalized in one
of the IHR pamphlets entitled "Inside the Auschwitz Gas Chambers" by Fred
Leuchter and posted on the Zundelsite at:
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/INCORR/incorrect.005.html

But to come back to Dr. Faurisson:  He WAS the first  who started heaving
physical and chemical arguments against the Hoax - and did he ever do it,
at great cost to himself!

How steep the price?

See for yourself at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/05.nizkor/sm_pic.html

Scroll down a screen and be sure to click on the graphic for impact!

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past."

(Thomas Jefferson - 1743 - 1826)



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August 9, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

A few weeks ago I got irritated with someone who was making a great fuss
about keeping his "connection" to the Zundelsite a secret, and I wrote a
ZGram to the effect that he couldn't ". . . play footsy with the Zundelsite
while dining with the enemy".  I suggested he better "fess up" to his
views.

Ernst took his red pencil and crossed that out, telling me that many people
had jobs to protect, families to feed, reputations to guard - and would I
please remember my own less-than-bold experience at the barbecue where
"friends" started heaping abuse on the Germans for what they had done to
the Jews, and I didn't speak up, as I should have.

We've all been there.

I have thought a lot about it, and I believe that there are two main
avenues to struggle out from under and straighten our spine.  I believe the
secret of strengthening the movement is in simplification.  It is too
cumbersome and technical, and much too unattractive, to argue pro and cons
of Zyklon-B as having been the so-called genocidal weapon with which the
Germans tried to finish off the Jews.

One way would be an intellectually irresistible slogan - "A race is a
terrible thing to waste" comes to mind - or a powerful song, or a "Gone
with the Wind" type novel that cuts through the clouds and the muddle with
strong, flesh-and-blood characters living through vivid historical times.
I know that this will happen before long-but in the meantime, what?

The second avenue is something all of us CAN do, and it is this:  to
rewrite our inner script to the effect that what we do is nothing to be
hidden.

This is so basic to the Aryan nature that it bespeaks the depths of the
intimidation that has been heaped on us that I would even have to spell it
out.  It is so ludicrously simple.  We want the truth.  We don't like being
lied to.  There's nothing wrong with wanting to stop genuflecting before a
non-existent "crime".

One of my Renaissance Kids, a graduate student and teaching assistant at
one of the Midwest universities, recently sent me the following, which I
have rearranged and edited a bit by putting periods where he had commas to
make it flow and stick:

". . . We all need to become better salesmen. Once we get the word out, the
product will sell itself!

I'm not only talking on the Internet, but in practice, in our daily
interactions with people.

I have very much felt like a "Generation X-er" for the past couple of years
- politically sold out/lost, economically stagnant, socially disjointed and
systematically lied to through my education.

I have said, since the time that I became politically cognizant, that
people need to believe in something.  They want to be a part of something
bigger.  They want to be with other people just like themselves.

We're getting just the opposite now in America.

But the great thing is, NOW I'm proud of who I am and of what I believe in.
And I don't care who thinks otherwise. I'm not even afraid for my career.

I now openly talk about my beliefs with friends. I am making a difference -
this is in large part thanks to you, the IHR and the Internet.

Ingrid, you wouldn't believe it. Through either the university or music
lessons, which I give in order to help support myself in graduate school, I
have met a lot of people - some of them pretty important in their own
right.

I openly discuss politics with these people. I do not hide my admiration
for the Third Reich nor refrain from admonishing FDR and NWO policies. I
espouse Revisionist positions daily. I have  posters smartly hung on the
wall in my apartment.

The truth is, "the" people are fed up. They are smart enough to discern
what and who the problem is.  People don't run away screaming.

THEY AGREE WITH ME. Believe it or not.

Why? Ingrid, let me tell you.  It's ALL in the presentation. All of it has
to do with the fact that I am normal.

I'm a nice guy who is always polite to people and likes all the "right
things."  I listen to classical music, celtic music, alternative, classic
rock, German folk music.  I love Sinatra, big band music.  I hate country.
I work out.   I run.   I'm into sports - ice-hockey, swimming etc. etc.

I don't eat junk - most of the time. I like to shoot rifles, and sometimes
play paintball with my buddies. I grade easy;  my students love me.   I go
out drinking with friends.  I paint;  I go to museums;   I appreciate good
architecture.  I go to movies.  I wear polo;  I'm a prep.

I support family values.  I put in an appearance in church when I have to.
I'm a good role model;  I don't smoke;   I've never even considered drugs.
I enjoy the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.  I'm confident.  I socialize
well.  I'm creative.  I get things done.

I'm loyal. I'm easy to get along with, yet not a pushover. I take care of
my friends and they take care of me.

I am the enemies' worst nightmare. I am normal . . . "

This young man has hit the nail on the head.  He is normal.

We are normal.  We're not the fringe.  We have nothing in common with the
fringe.  We are nice people who are fed up to here with murdering and
thieving rabble.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day (worth repeating. . .)

"Who is more foolish:  The child afraid of the dark, or the man afraid of
the light?"

(Maurice Freehill)


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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One of my Zundelsite missions is to translate the man behind the red hot
question mark:  "Did Six Million Really Die?" that has already cost a
kingdom on both sides, and no end yet in sight.

Few men who live in our times have been so wantonly abused and vilified as
Ernst.  In fact, before I knew him, I didn't even know such hate and slime
existed that could be heaved against one human being by other human beings.


I didn't know that it was possible for any normal person to withstand the
kind of non-stop slurs, invectives and scurrilities for years and years on
end without becoming hard and bitter in response.  If I showed you some of
the letters we receive-to say you would be shocked would be an
understatement.

I often ponder what I might do with them.  Some are so bad I do not even
pass them on.  To publish them would be impossible.  It would mean giving
voice to the devil.

One way to tell you who Ernst is and what he says and lives is through the
eyes of those who make an honest effort to find out for themselves.

One such young man is a post-degree research student at Wilfrid Laurier
University in the Department of Religion and Culture, currently working on
his Ph.D. thesis.  When I asked him if I could quote his letter, he
offered:

"If you like, you can even attach my name [and credentials-if you like] to
the quote. If I can't stand by what I say, then both my word and my name
mean nothing."

This I will do.  His name is Matthew Alexander Lauder.  I had arranged an
interview with Ernst as part of his doctoral studies.  I asked him how it
went.  Here is what he wrote in response:

"My impressions?  Well, Mr. Zundel was very candid and we discussed
everything from eugenics to the German Football Team to the decline of the
German culture in Canada and the Avro Arrow to the spy games that the ARA
and Nizkor play.

As a person, I find him very candid, polite, and gracious. As a cultural
leader, he is very experienced, opinionated, and steadfast in his beliefs.

Without a doubt, Mr. Zundel has been through a lot in his life, and he
understands what qualities are needed to be an effective leader.

Most of what we discussed didn't catch me by surprise, except for one
thing; and that was his thoughts on contemporary Germany and German people.


I find it troubling that he almost hates those German people, especially
those outside of Germany, who do not show their "German-ness" . . . Mr.
Zundel feels that they have lost something essential-something that makes
them part of a distinct culture.

I tend to believe that Mr. Zundel would consider these little "g" Germans
to be cultural traitors.  Although I may not agree with him, I understand
the reasons behind this steadfast belief and hatred for the modern German
state.

Of course, if I'm wrong, please correct me.

As for my impressions as an academic, unlike CSIS, I believe that  Mr.
Zundel is neither a dangerous man nor a threat to Canada-and this is my
professional opinion as a researcher in cultural and political psychology.

He is a man who searches long and hard for a truth-regardless of whether
the rest of society believes in his truth or not. I will make sure this
point is clearly made in my Ph.D. thesis and [hopefully] book when I have a
chance to finish it . . . "

I know where the impression comes from that there is acid in Ernst's soul
when he speaks of contemporary Germany.  It comes from memories that it was
Germany, his homeland that he loves and aches to wrestle from the clutches
of an alien occupation, that managed to put him in handcuffs and threw him
in prison for stubbornly refusing to stop asking:

"Did Six Million Really Die?"

This happened more than once.  He has told me of one such experience in Germany.

He said he was the oldest and only one of two in that holding cell that
housed some 35 prisoners-the other was a dope dealer.  The rest were pimps,
crooks, dope pushers, check forgers, gangsters, hoods and mobsters-and all
of them Third World.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Research is what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else
has thought."

(Albert Szent-Gyoergi)




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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

We are adding new names daily to our e-mail list, quite a few of them from
media, both traditional and alternative.  Those of you who have been on
this list from the beginning might get the feeling that I am repeating
myself, but in part this is done to illustrate for these "newcomers" the
nature of our struggle

I think the Germar Rudolf story explains as graphically as anything how
serious this business of censorship is, and therefore, I want to share once
more what CODOH sent me recently, prefaced by a quote from the Revisionist
Australian Adelaide Institute, now under censorship siege as well:

Writes Fredrick Toben:

"Please be assured that, from personal experience, I know what force will
now be imposed upon our work - the coming battle is not for the
faint-hearted.  It may also not be for those who still have a husband or
wife, children and property to protect.

These evil forces will always seek out the vulnerable spot in a person's
character or life.  We must not underestimate the depth of depravity these
evil forces will now reach in order to silence us . . .  Let me conclude by
stressing that, from personal experience, the upcoming pressures will test
personal relationships.

At Adelaide Institute, we wish to correct such historically incorrect
views, and the taboo topic of the homicidal gas chambers needs to be aired
openly.

We say this in the full knowledge that such investigations may cause some
individuals to relive painful memories.  For that we apologize.  However,
the allegations leveled at Germans and Australians of German ancestry, that
homicidal gas chambers existed at Auschwitz, needs to be proven.

Your readers may not believe this, but to date the homicidal gas chamber
allegation remains just that - an allegation!"

Well, for those who come into this struggle new, one person who tried
getting to the bottom of the Holohoax scientifically from Germany is a
young man named Germar Rudolf - utterly apolitical, with no "extremist"
affiliation whatsoever.

Here is the Germar Rudolf story, one more time, as sent to us by CODOH:
(http://www.codoh.com/ )

"Since 1993, academically accredited chemist Germar Rudolf, father of two
small children, has been dragged from one criminal trial to the next.
Efforts have been made to silence Rudolf by locking him away in prison for
having written various scientific publications on the holocaust story.

Rudolf's troubles began when he wrote his now famous, "Das Rudolf
Gutachten" (The Rudolf Report) in which he concluded that the mass murders
attested to for the Auschwitz concentration camp were irreconcilable with
the laws of nature as well as technically impossible. Subsequently, Rudolf
recently took a leading part in the publication of several books and
brochures, and has published articles in support of similar theses.

In May 1996, one hundred of Germany's leading personalities, among them
many college and universitiy professors, demanded the protection of
academic freedom for the book edited by Rudolf, "Grundlagen zur
Zeitgeschichte: Ein Handbuch ueber strittige Fragen des 20. Jahrhunderts"
(Foundations of Contemporary History: A handbook on controversial questions
of the twentieth century). Two leading historians even affirmed in court
expert reports that this work absolutely must be safeguarded by the
principles of academic freedom.

Nonetheless, Judge Burckhardt Stein decided on May 7, 1996 that Rudolf had
to be arrested without delay for his part in this publication. Finally, on
June 15, 1996, the judge ruled that all copies of "Grundlagen zur
Zeitgeschichte" must be burned. (!)

In the summer of last year, 20 persons affiliated with Italian
universities, among them 16 professors, spoke out in favour of academic
freedom for Germar Rudolf and his scientific colleagues.

None of this stopped the Judges of the 17th Criminal Division of the
Stuttgart Landgericht [District Court], chaired by Dr. Dietmar Mayer, from
convicting Germar Rudolf for his scientific report.

For the publication of his scientifically documented opinion that something
is wrong with the established view of history, the Judges sentenced Rudolf
to 14 month's imprisonment without probation. (!)

Rudolf's motion to obtain expert evidence to determine whether his report
was correct in terms of content was denied by the Court, since "the
intended result" of such a motion to hear evidence amounted to "a denial of
the mass murder of the Jews." Any such evidence is forbidden, since,
according to the Court, "the mass murder of the Jews [...] is a
self-evident historical fact which requires no proof". (!) (Verdict, pp.
231f.) . . .

The accused was thus prevented from bringing evidence for his innocence,
which clearly constitutes a violation of Ch. 6 Section 3 of the European
Human Rights Convention (the right to have one's own case fairly presented
in a trial).

In the course of this trial, and as a consequence of the verdict, the
incitement spread by the media caused Rudolf's rent agreement to be
terminated - twice, in each case at a time when his wife was well along in
pregnancy. He repeatedly lost jobs, and the University of Stuttgart
successfully denied him his PhD examination.

For years now the media has slandered Rudolf as a rightwing radical even
though he has never belonged to or even been in contact with any
organization deemed to be right-wing extremist. Furthermore, five other
criminal proceedings for alleged "abuse of academic freedom" threaten
further long term of imprisonment for Rudolf.

Doing its part for the struggle for Freedom of Speech, CODOH is proud to
announce that the volume, "Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte," the only book,
in recent memory, ordered to be burned is available now on the Internet."

I KNOW that if we could get the scientific world community to inspect and
judge the Germar Rudolf Report impartially and fairly and report to the
people about it fully, unhampered by vile censorship, kingdoms and empires
would topple world-wide, just like so many dominoes.

THAT's what it's all about.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Having discovered an illness, it's not terribly useful to prescribe death
as a cure."

(Senator George McGovern)



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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Now there is talk that laws will have to be rewritten in Canada to please
the Shrill Minority and get the villain Zundel out of Canada by other means
than using governmental agencies such as CSIS and SIRC as hit squads, and
in pre-emptive moves in case the people balk at spending more of their good
money by the millions on one man's stubborn question mark-"Did Six Million
Really Die?"-the good Canadian citizens are being treated editorially to
some such as the following:

=46rom the Toronto Star, August 3, 1996 - (Title:  Deny the denier)

"The federal government should do everything in its power to deny hate
peddler Ernst Zundel Canadian citizenship.

Zundel, whose life's mission is to deny that the Holocaust ever happened,
has won a legal battle with the federal government in his bid to become a
Canadian.

In his ruling, Federal Court Judge Darrel Heald said Zundel was correct in
his view that the Security Intelligence Review Committee is biased against
him and should not be allowed to investigate whether Zundel is a security
threat to Canada and therefore be denied citizenship.

However, Heald invited Ottawa to amend the law to make it easier to prove
that the white supremacist is a security risk to the country.

Ottawa should move pronto on the advice.  Zundel, who has lived in Canada
for 38 years, has been convicted in his native Germany for his writings
denying the Holocaust.  He faces jail if he were to return.

Zundel is a disgrace in Canada and a criminal in his own land.  He cannot
be rewarded with the privilege of citizenship."

=46rom the Montreal Gazette, August 3 - (Title:  No to Ernst Zundel)

"The thought that there is even a remote possibility that hate monger Ernst
Zundel could become a Canadian citizen is profoundly troubling.

Yet, there is.  The Federal Court of Canada ruled in Mr. Zundel's favor
Thursday when it decided that a review of a Canadian Security and
Intelligence Service report on him would be biased.  Allowed to stand, the
ruling blows out of the water CSIS's seemingly reasonable conclusion that
Mr. Zundel - a Toronto-based Holocaust denier and a purveyor of neo-Nazi
hatred on an international scale - was a security risk and ought not to get
the citizenship he is seeking.

Mr. Zundel was once charged with spreading false news, but that case was
tossed out by the courts in 1992 because the legislation was deemed
unconstitutional.  Mr. Zundel freely admits that if he were to return to
his native Germany where he has been convicted under Holocaust denial laws,
he would quietly be locked away for life.

Yet he continues to look forward to the day when Canada grants him
citizenship.  He moved here in 1958 at age 19, and he threatens that if he
doesn't get it, he will sue Citizenship Minister Lucienne Robilliard.  So.
let him sue.

Canada should deny Mr. Zundel the gift of citizenship.  Citizenship is not
a right, except to those born here.  And Canada has the moral
responsibility to deny citizenship to someone who would use the country as
a safe haven from which to spread hate.

Ottawa's options include appealing the Federal Court ruling, probably the
quickest course of action, and amending citizenship legislation to give the
minister - or an appropriate body - the power to deny citizenship to those
like Mr. Zundel who by their actions show they are not desirable citizens.
Mr. Zundel is doubtless correct when he argues that Canada has granted
citizenship to numerous undesirables over the years.  That doesn't make it
right and doesn't mean Canada should ignore his particular brand of
nastiness.

If federal authorities fail to act, if Ernst Zundel becomes a citizen of
this country, Canada will disgrace itself around the world as a refuge for
hate mongers.  And Canadians will have every right to be ashamed."

So much for lapdog media's poison pens.  Now get this, in addition:

Canada is not "ashamed" that the CSIS / SIRC duo turned out to be crooked.
It is not "ashamed" that it used its own spy agency and agent to smear the
Canadian Right with the inflammatory label of "extremist."  It is not
"ashamed" that of only 7 incidents of terrorism in 1995 in all of Canada,
two were directed AT Ernst Zundel-the pipe bomb and the arson-and a third
against another patriot on the Right.

Canada is not "ashamed" that, according to a June 9, 1996 article in the
Calgary Herald, the Immigration Ministry, the agency that tried to do its
share to railroad Z=FCndel out of Canada, allowed 5,438 people INTO Canada i=
.n
1995 who had initially been barred from entering Canada as undesirables.

Specifically, the Ministry of Immigration gave approval to enter to 394
people indicted on a criminal offence for which a maximum sentence was 10
years or more-such as rape, murder or armed robbery.

Ten people suspected of sabotage and terrorism were let in by the
Immigration Minister (then Marchi)  and 1,155 criminals were allowed entry
who committed offences punishable with less than 10 years in prison.

395 people who posed a health risk to the public were also allowed to enter
Canada to take up residence.

Then contrast that with the supposed "harm" of one brave man who has lived
in the country for almost forty years who simply happens to believe that
there is nothing wrong with checking into claims about the Holocaust.

When you consider that millions of good people's money have been spent
already to get Ernst Z=FCndel behind bars-and more will yet be spent!-you ca=
.n
surmise what is at stake here.  Plenty.

It tells you more than you will ever want to know about the influence a
small, vociferous minority wields against the very interests of Canada.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The beaver is a good national symbol for Canada.  He is so busy chewing he
can't see what's going on."

Howard Cable







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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

It's housekeeping time, and I am trying to catch up.  I always feel guilty
when I abandon my poetic musings and settle down to "scrubbing the
threshold", as my Oma would say, but I do need help, and you need update
information that is of practical significance.

*       First of all, those of you who speak German, magic is happening on
the Internet.  I know I have mentioned some of these new political baby
sites before, but we have so many ZGram newcomers, the information is worth
repeating.

There is the "Thule-Netz", http://www.thulenet.com/;  a web page called
"Aufbruch", http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Ernst_Ellert/; the
Austrian "Burgerforum" http://www.c2.net/~bs-org/ and others.

They all have links to additional websites and information about
organizations, some of them youth organizations.  Additionally, there is a
brand new page that Yvonne, Dr. Faurisson's sister, describes as follows:

"Our dear friend Ahmed Rami has just given me a wonderful piece of news: a
nice 21 year old Italian boy, who is converted to Islam and speaks fluent
Arabic, has just opened an islamo-revisionist site on the web, where you
may right now find, for instance, Dr. Faurisson's article about the Jewish
militias, and plenty more to read. Be sure to go and visit him at

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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Two days ago I sent you a ZGram illustrating one young man's perception of
Ernst Zundel as an ideological leader in the now-worldwide revitalizing
movement of nationalism and ethnic re-assertion.

This student commented on his surprise that Ernst seemed hostile to the
government of Germany because he saw it as encroaching on his people's
ethnic heritage in that it falsified itself as passing for "democracy" -
when it was anything but that.

When I broached that subject with Ernst to sharpen the focus of this
morning's ZGram, I could tell that I had struck a nerve, because my fax
machine was spitting pages in response.

Below you find the gist of what came back out of the Zundel-Haus.

Please remember, as you read this, that Ernst was only 19 years of age when
he first came to Canada.  He was as brainwashed then himself as he sees
Germany and German youth today.

He and I have in the past discussed this aspect often.  He says he had no
frame of reference of what had happened to his soul while living inside
Germany.  He fully bought into the fairy tale that his own father's
generation was nothing but a bunch of genocidal maniacs.

Here is Ernst's "take" on Germany today:

"The German State I hate is one born in a lie and deception - namely that
it is free and democratic.  It is and never was that!

It was a creature of the Allied Occupation Powers - created out of German
turncoats, traitors, former Communists and released inmates of
concentration camps, Jews and Gentiles alike, many of whom had run afoul of
perfectly legally promulgated and adopted German laws which made them land
there in the first place.

By using these despicable people as "leaders", the Dark Forces embodied in
the Allied Occupation authorities created for themselves a pliable and
useful instrument.

=46urther, to make sure that they would keep control, they licensed all
Occupation-approved newspapers, many of them to Jewish individuals or
Marxists.  Those who did not tow to the prevailing Allied Occupation
authority party line of "political correctness" had no chance whatsoever to
get or keep a livelihood through publishing.

This made for a uniform, unified voice and reflection of Allied wishes,
goals and desires.

Additionally, judges in "de-nazification" courts were staffed largely by
the same motley crew of Communists, crooks, chameleons and traitors to
German interests.  Especially right after the end of the war, these people
established a medieval machinery of terror, torture and lawlessness in the
name of law and order in their hunt for "war criminals" - as is once again
revealed in the Priebke case.

The hunt for "war time criminals" - of course, always only German ones, or
those allied with Germany! - began and turned out to be a politically and
financially lucrative business indeed.  It took me a long time to realize
that the goal was NOT to bring these "criminals" to justice and right a
moral "wrong".  The goal was the repeat assault on Germans' pride - to keep
a nation and a people feeling guilty.

This guilt, imposed and reinforced at every opportunity, prevented Germans
who survived the war from asserting themselves and acting in their own best
interest.  A person who feels guilty is willing to do penance.  A country
that is artificially programmed to keep on feeling guilty for having
practiced "genocide" becomes the cash cow for those parties who benefit
financially, politically and "morally" from the alleged "Holocaust".

These toadies, in the pay and service of the Dark Forces nurturing this
guilt, knowingly and falsely caved in to pressure and adopted a disgusting
policy of "guilt payments" for largely imaginary crimes, thus saddling
generations of Germans with this horrific mortgage - not only on their
finances but, what is worse, on their honor and their national  pride.

These regimes, made up of alien interests, were not the initial creators of
this blood libel on Germany, but quickly became the enforcers of the
Allies' diabolically clever campaign of total "re-education" of all Germans
by all means of communication possible - snuffing out all dissent against
this treason by vile and vicious means and draconian "hate" laws.  These
postwar politicians and media elites of three German states - West Germany,
Central Germany and Austria - allowed themselves to be made  into  willing
accusers, participants and prosecutors, judges and jailers of their own
people on drummed-up bogus charges.

These "elites" have been continuing the merciless rule of the Allied
Occupiers and the Dark Forces behind them for more than half a century -
now that many of the hundreds of thousands of Occupation soldiers have
left.

Thus, these creatures have spat on the memory of those heroic men who
stormed to the gates of Stalingrad to stop what was called Communism once
and has since been repackaged as "The New World Order".  These lackeys to
the plutocrats have belittled - in fact, criminalized - these soldiers'
blood sacrifice, their loss of eyes, limbs, health and honor  and even life
on the altar of cheap foreign applause.

They have condoned the loss of property and homelands of 17 million Germans
with an arrogant, ignorant, callous and criminal wave-of-a-hand and
shrug-of-a-shoulder.  While they are drumming into our ears and brains the
stories of atrocities the Germans are alleged to have committed, they have
deliberately played down, ignored and even willfully suppressed massive
Allied war crimes - such as the rape and murder of millions of German women
and even children at the end of the war by so-called "liberators".

Do I hate that state and system?  Yes.  It has been said by Mohandas Gandhi
that non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with
good.

The reason why I hate the system locked in place of the once all-German
living space is simply because it is born in evil posing as good.  The only
good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance, and Germany's people are
ignorant of what has been done to them.

They have been robbed and continue to be robbed not only of their money for
so-called "reparations" but mutilated at their very core, their ethnic
pride and honor.

The German government boasts of being "democratic" when in effect it is
despotic.  It brags it is the legal successor to the last democratically
and properly elected regime, namely the government of Adolf Hitler - when
it is plain illegal, a device imposed by the victors on the defeated German
nation.  It keeps its people genuflecting before its tyrants and
defrauders.

This list goes on and on.  When I was thrown in jail in Germany for my
political beliefs and my outspoken nature, it was done by systematically
created moral cripples resorting to their last maneuver - that of brute
force and subsequent incarceration where arguments are wanting.

I walked out of that prison despising them.

When I was jailed and imprisoned in Canada for these same viewpoints and
beliefs, my feelings were quite different.  I did not come out of Canadian
jails hating the Canadian system. I accept that this is what Canadians
elected freely and evolved over a century.

To this day, I love Canada.  I don't like what it is becoming, but I loved
what it was in 1958 when I came here to make a living and build an honest
life while still a teenager.

Contrary to what you may read in the paper, Canada has not been the worse
off for me.  I have paid back in coin what it has given me, including a
definition of its own Charter of Rights and Freedoms - my 1992 Supreme
Court victory affirming the right to dissent in free speech - that was not
properly understood before.

I paid for that privilege with every penny out of my private kitty.

When it comes to my native country, Germany, I feel at times that I am like
some priest of old, exorcising the evil demon from Germany's soul.    A
country has a right to choose its government.  After the World War II
defeat, and after more than 50 years of occupation, Germany has not yet
been given that option by its conquerors.  The Bonn government is and will
always be an instrument of suppression and bondage for the German people.
Liberation is yet to come.

The fact that I was thrown in prison in Germany was a reminder to me that
Germans,  whom I had given the means to free themselves, namely the
findings of the Leuchter Investigations - scientific and verifiable proof
that the Holocaust is one gigantic swindle, and that the "reparations"
scheme is an extortion racket - was powerful verification to me, the bearer
of good and truthful tidings, that I had handed mentally and spiritually
mutilated men and women the sword of truth with which they could have
slashed the Gordian knot of Jewish/Allied lies.  With one bold stroke, they
could have freed themselves from their tormentors and defrauders.

What did they do with it?

They had no hands with which to hold the truth.  They had no eyes to even
see the truth.  The truth was there.  Their faculties were gone.  They had
become grotesquely crippled - stupefied, numbed, spiritually altered -
"re-educated" in a deliberate act of war by Allied psychological warfare
experts.

That is the reason why I have dedicated my life to excise the virulent lie
that is killing the soul of my kin and race.

I do not hate the German people inside the so-called "democratic state".  I
hate the system that will blind and maul and mangle the descendants of the
men who bled their life into the ice and snow of Stalingrad, into the sands
of Africa, who lie in watery graves in the Atlantic Ocean.

That's why I hate that system with a cold, sustaining passion.

Ernst Z=FCndel

Thought for the day:

"By definition, 'hate' is anything the Jews don't like."

(David Irving)





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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I am quoting Ernst Zundel here from memory, but in the August German
newsletter, Germania, he said something to the effect that

". . . sometimes I think that our enemies must be possessed by rabies!
What they dream up is crazy!"

Well, here is the latest, and a doozy it is!  Please read it carefully and
consider it more evidence of how the Holocaust Promotion Lobby folks keep
shooting themselves in the foot!  As the Spaniards would say:  Ayayay!  If
this is not a suicidal move, then I don't know what is!

This is the newest press release that's going out today out of the
Zundel-Haus.  If you have e-mail lists, please pass it on:

"In a test case that is expected to explode internationally in the wake of
government attempts to define and thereby control the Internet's boundaries
as an instrument of communication-is it a computer, a fax machine, a
television, or a telephone?-once again Toronto-based producer and publisher
Ernst Zundel will be at the center of a global hurricane, as happened
already in January of this year when his U.S. based website was challenged
for politically incorrect speech.

In the latest move on the part of the Jewish community to stop Zundel's
"Holocaust denial" messages, an attempt will now be made to claim the
Internet is like a telephone.

After the Holocaust Promotion Lobby suffered a resounding defeat in
attempting to use CSIS and SIRC to silence and subsequently deport Zundel
for his inconvenient publications and viewpoint on history, the Toronto
Mayor's Committee on Community and Race Relations has filed with the
=46ederal Human Rights Commission a formal complaint against Ernst Z=FCndel
under section 13(1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act.

The section prohibits so-called "hate messages" sent by telephone.  The
case is expected to be a test of the jurisdiction of the Canadian Human
Rights Commission over the Internet under section 13 of the Act.  It is
bound to attract world-wide attention.

The committee alleges that Z=FCndel's World Wide Web internet site, called
the "Zundelsite", discriminates against Jews by exposing them to hatred and
contempt.  Zundel alleges that there exists a body of scientific and
forensic evidence about false claims about the Holocaust the public is
entitled to know.  He merely asks to document the evidence without
self-serving interference by special interest groups.

The Toronto Mayor's Committee on Community and Race Relations has a long
history of attempting to silence Ernst Z=FCndel and any other views which it
dislikes..  For instance, in one of its more blatant and legally
questionable attempts,  Janice Dembo, the coordinator of the committee,
wrote in January of 1995 to the Attorney General of Ontario setting out
numerous attacks the government could make on Z=FCndel.

Dembo expreseed the "profound dismay" of the committee that Z=FCndel had
never been charged with hate propaganda under Canada's infamous hate laws.
On behalf of the committee, Dembo suggested that there were other "legal
avenues" open to authorities to "deal" with Z=FCndel, including income tax
audits, the revocation of his postal privileges, and the denial of his
application for citizenship.  Dembo suggested that "deportation may be the
most expedient method of ridding Canada of Mr. Z=FCndel's noxious influence.=
."

Says Zundel:  "What Dembo is suggesting is that it is quite all right to
harass, stalk, beset and administratively target perfectly law-abiding
citizens, writers, broadcasters and publishers because these self-appointed
censors don't like someone else's political viewpoint."

There have been other futile attempts on behalf of the Jewish community to
silence Z=FCndel's politically inconvenient message that the Holocaust has
deteriorated into an extortion instrument by world Jewish organizations and
the state of Israel, having netted to date DM 105 billion in hush money.

In September of 1992, days after Z=FCndel's acquittal by the Supreme Court o=
.f
Canada on charges of spreading "false news", representatives of the
committee attended a press conference held in conjunction with the League
of Human Rights of B'nai Brith, the Urban Alliance on Race Relations, and
the Jamaican Canadian Centre to urge the Attorney General of Ontario to
immediately lay new charges against Z=FCndel under the hate propaganda law.

In May of 1993, then Mayor of Toronto June Rowlands wrote to the Attorney
General of Ontario urging that charges be laid against Z=FCndel for wilful
promotion of hatred and that legislative amendments be brought in to make
the laying of charges easier.

In 1994, the Committee wrote to Sergio Marchi, then Minister of Citizenship
and Immigration, demanding that the department refuse Z=FCndel
citizenship-again because of his political and historical outlook, and for
wanting fairness in history.

Harvey Goldberg, director of the policy and Planning Branch of the Canadian
Human Rights Commission has already stated that "Holocaust denial"
constitutes hatred.  In a 1994 internal memo, Goldberg stated that "it is
my view the material is inherently anti-semitic.  It is intended to foment
hatred and contempt against the Jewish victims of Nazi persecution and
against all Jews who maintain that the Holocaust is an historical fact."

Says Zundel:  "They have already pre-judged me before any hearing has taken
place.  Who are these people?  On what authority do they act?  They
appointed themselves investigator, judge, jury-and now executioner?   All I
ask is that I be allowed to post the evidence I have collected at great
costs to let the world judge me."

So far the Zundel press release.  There will be more tomorrow.

Ingrid

Thought of the Day:

"There are rights which it is useless to surrender to the government and
which governments have yet always been found to invade.

These are the rights of thinking and publishing our thoughts by speaking or
writing;  the right of free commerce;  the right of personal freedom."

Thomas Jefferson to D. Humphreys, 1789




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Nazis everywhere are rejoicing today, as the Zundel-Haus is pleased to announce 
the engagement of renowned author Dr. Ingrid Rimland to our stalwart, albeit 
short, leader, Ernst Zundel.
Ring-Bearers at the wedding will be Tom Moran. Matt Giwer will sing his 
popular rendition of "The Fat Broad Polka." Catering will be provided by 
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite

Again, as a follow-up to the latest move on the part of the Holocaust
Hucksters to get Ernst Zundel to quit talking about the Holocaust as a
world-wide extortion racket, I am placing two documents smack on the
Zundelsite - two letters I have had in a special folder for some time but
didn't have permission to place until now.

Yesterday, Ernst decided to release them for public scrutiny and
enlightenment.  They are evidence of how the opposition operates as it
attempts to railroad someone they dislike because he calls a spade a spade
into disaster and demise in the name of "law and order".

These letters are relevant to the new charge that Ernst Zundel is using the
Zundelsite as a "telephone" from which he supposedly broadcasts his "hate".
One might surmise they come in part from the same source that succeeded in
causing him grief with CSIS and SIRC - a vicious attempt at silencing him
that he has managed to beat down - at least for the time being.

It is important to understand that these letters PRECEDED his troubles.

In these letters, you will see where the citizenship matter came from - and
why.  The first was written by Janice Dembo, Coordinator of the Toronto
Mayor's Committee on Community and Race Relations, addressed to the
Attorney General, with copies to various dignitaries, including Arthur C.
Eggleton, M.P.

The second is Mr. Eggleton's reply.

Both letters are ample testimony as to how tax-supported individuals and
institutions are being used to do the dirty business for what I call the
Shrill Minority.

Here goes:

January 3, 1995

The Honourable Marion Boyd
Attorney General
Office of the Attorney General
720 Bay Street, 11th Floor
Toronto, M5G 1K1

Dear Madam Minister:
                                        Re:  Ernst Zundel

I am writing this letter on behalf of the Toronto Mayor's Committee and
Race Relations to express our profound dismay regarding the lack of legal
action that has been taken regarding Ernst Zundel.

As you certainly know, Ernst Zundel is one of the world's leading
manufacturers and exporters of hate propaganda.  In addition, the German
government has complained on several occasions that Canada allows Mr.
Zundel to export his hate propaganda to Germany with impunity.

We believe that there are a variety of methods of dealing with Mr. Zundel's
hate propaganda.  The first manner of dealing with him would be a criminal
investigation and charge under s.319(2) of the Criminal Code.  We wish to
be assured that a proper investigation is ongoing with regard to Mr.
Zundel, and that the Crown Attorney's office is actively reviewing the
possibility of laying criminal charges against Mr. Zundel.  We would like
to know whether police officials have recommended that charges be laid
against Mr. Zundel, and if so, why such recommendations were not acted
upon?

There are other legal avenues available to provincial law enforcement
officials for dealing with Mr. Zundel.  Included in these remedies would be
a review of the corporate income tax returns of his company, Samizdat
Publishing (sic).  Are they paying provincial income tax for all of their
sales, both in Ontario and abroad?  The provincial sales tax officials
could look at the issue of whether sales tax in (sic) being charged on
Samizdat (sic) materials being sold in Ontario and abroad as well.

Further, the Ontario government could make recommendations to the federal
government in regard to other civil remedies available to deal with Mr.
Zundel.  Section 43 of the Postal Act allows the postal minister the right
to make a prohibitory order where there are reasonable grounds to believe
that an individual is using the mails to commit an offence or to aid or
abet in the commission of an offence.  The provisions could be used to deny
the postal privileges of Samizdat (sic) or Mr. Zundel in Canada.

As you are no doubt aware, Mr. Zundel has applied for Canadian Citizenship.
Have you or any members of your cabinet contacted Mr. Marchi, the Minister
of Citizenship and Immigration with respect to his citizenship application?
If Mr. Zundel is granted Citizenship. Canada will lose the right to deport
him even if he is convicted of a criminal offence.  Citizenship may be
refused to Mr. Zundel if the Minister finds that he is not of good
character.  Although this is a very discretionary remedy, and only rarely
invoked, Mr. Zundel would be an ideal candidate for its imposition.  He has
a criminal record in Germany, and there may be no other individual in
Canada who has worked as tirelessly as Mr. Zundel to abrogate all of the
principles of democracy, egalitarianism and tolerance for diversity that
make Canada special.  Deportation may be the most expedient method of
ridding Canada of Mr. Zundel's noxious influence.

I would ask that you consider the suggestions contained in this letter so
that you may work effectively with your colleagues, both in the Ontario
Cabinet and in the federal government to assure the people of Ontario that
we will not have to put up with Mr. Zundel's hate propaganda any longer.
One need only look to recent events in countries like Rwanda to see the
awful effect of hate propaganda.  As a commentator once stated, this type
of hate propaganda can be a "warrant for genocide".

Yours truly,

Janice Dembo, Coordinator
Toronto Mayor's Committee on Community and Race Relations.

Enc.

cc.  The Honourable Sergio Marchi, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration
The Honourable Alan Rock, Minister of Justice
The Honourable Art Eggleton.

Less than a month later comes this reply from one of Canada's duly elected
representatives supposedly free of all ethnic bias:

January 31, 1995

Ms. Janice Dembo
Toronto Mayor's Committee on
Community and Race Relations
City Clerk's Department
City Hall
100 Queen Street West
Toronto, Ontario
M5H 2N2

Dear Janice,

Thank you for sending me a copy of your letter dated January 3, 1995,
addressed to the Attorney General of Ontario regarding the matter of Ernst
Zundel.  I understand that my executive assistant, Allan Kaufman, has
recently telephoned you about this matter.

I was impressed by the comprehensive manner in which your letter dealt with
all the various options which are open to both the Ontario and federal
governments with respect to Mr. Zundel.  In particular, I was interested to
note your point that if Mr. Sergio Marchi grants Canadian citizenship to
Mr. Zundel, Canada will lose the right to deport Mr. Zundel even if he is
subsequently convicted of a criminal offence in Canada.

I want you to know that on September 9, 1994, I wrote to Minister Sergio
Marchi and expressed to him my strong views on the Ernst Zundel citizenship
application.  I highlighted for Mr. Marchi, among other things, the fact
that Mr. Zundel has been convicted of hate crimes in Germany.  Federal
legislation requires Mr. Marchi to weigh all the circumstances of this
case, prior to rendering a final decision.  I am confident that Mr. Marchi
will perform his duties in this regard in a proper fashion.

With respect to your suggestion of other steps which could be taken against
Mr. Zundel by both the Ontario and federal governments, you may be
interested to know that on October 14, 1994, I wrote to Canada's Minister
of Justice, the honorable Allen Rock.  I urged him to work with the
Attorney General of the Province of Ontario to explore the various measures
which might be available to those two levels of government in connection
with the Zundel case.  I will personally follow up on this matter with Mr.
Rock so as to ensure that the various suggestions in your letter of January
3, 1995 are given serious consideration.

Sincerely,

Arthur C. Eggleton."

So what do you have here?  You have precisely what Ernst has called a
craven attempt to

". . . harass, stalk, beset and administratively target perfectly
law-abiding citizens, writers, broadcasters and publishers because these
self-appointed censors don't like someone else's political viewpoint."

Canadian taxes pay for it.  Amazing, isn't it?

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Everyone, when there's a war in the air, learns to live with a new
element:  falsehood."

Jean Giraudoux


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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

A recurring theme in e-mail letters we receive at the Zundelsite is that of
World War II as having left its lessons ". . . somehow somewhere. . . '
that are of crucial relevance today-if only we could find these lessons.

I remember Ernst saying, and this bears repeating, that America will not be
able find its own way out of the methodical, satanic and deliberate
breakdown and destruction of its own moral values as the precurser to the
Global Plantation scenario-UNLESS Americans are willing to confront the
essence of the ideological struggle now called the Hitler War.

This sentiment is echoed over and over again-and not in America only.
Below are three examples illustrating how people wrestle with the meaning
of that war and how its outcome impacts on what is happening today as
people polarize:

Letter #1:

*       ". . . I wonder whether the real fear of these people promoting
guilt (for the Holocaust) is of the fact that the people of the Nazi era
promoted healthy living and family life, were NOT prone to spitting on the
sidewalk, presenting themselves in a shabby and dirty state of dress or go
about unwashed.

Furthermore, a unified work ethic and a sense of direction by a whole
nation would be a nightmare to those parasitic groups working as families
or separate racial entities within a host Nation-to the betterment of
themselves and to the detriment of that host Nation . . . "

Letter # 2:

*       ". . . When the topic (of the Holocaust) has been initiated by
someone else, I am not reluctant to express my feelings and share my
knowledge of the subject. . . I simply let the others know that I have read
quite a bit on the subject and do not believe it.

If the others want to know why, I let them know the specifics, otherwise
the topic of discussion is changed at that point. . .  I would not fret
over someone losing their appetite over a discussion of the topic if they
were oafish enough to ruin mine by initiating it.

Tangential topics about the Nazi era come up once in a while. A few years
ago, someone commented to me that the Nazis were insane because they were
racist. I pointed out in the 1930's and 1940's the U.S. South was
segregated by race by law as was the U.S. military, and that beliefs in
racial differences were not at all unusual for the time.

I am not a fan of the NS regime, but believe understanding W.W.II is
critical to understanding the modern political order. Understanding cannot
come until all of the self-serving, jingoistic, Allied-propaganda nonsense
is dispensed with. . . The Holocaust has not completed its work. Examining
what work it performs, and for whom, reveals much about the current
geopolitical status quo.

You must remember that for the great majority of Americans Nazi Germany is
something that exists in scratchy newsreel footage and Hollywood flicks. It
is a cartoon and an abstraction. They forget people actually lived in it
and died horrible deaths at the hands of their enemies in it.

For them it was a good war and a clean war: The issues involved were as
black and white as the scratchy newsreels. . . "

Letter # 3:

*       I really don't care what happened fifty years ago, except that it
left me with a government opposed to my benefit.  It does seem improbably
inefficient that the same Germans who conquered all the rest of Europe in
record time-AND maintained  minimal disruption of the  local populations
AND made a good try at all the rest of  the world-should choose this
protracted means of eugenics.

     I don't know what good an unemployed, 48 year old programmer/analyst
on a small income might be, but if  my admittedly average talents and
slowly dying 486 PC  sounds useful, gimmeyan email."

Gimme an e-mail.  Gimme a call.  Gimme a flyer.  Gimme direction.  Gimme a
brother, a sister.  Gimme my heritage back that has been stolen from me.

Those are the messages that keep on pouring in.  That's what the Zundelsite
it all about.  Outreach.  Information.  Factual education.  Truth instead
of slander.  Oxygen into collapsed lungs just screaming for expansion.

Light into fogged-over brains.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Very little is known about the War of 1812 because Americans lost it."

(Eric Nicol)

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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Somebody sent me this tidbit but neglected to give the source.  I believe
it comes from the Wall Street Journal.  I have carefully counted the words
to make sure I stay outside the limits of copyright infringement.

"At 15, Frank Sayre isn't old enough to vote in Canada. Yet, his knack for
Internet coding has already earned him some powerful enemies.

Last month, Mr. Sayre launched a private protest against Web censorship
>from  his home in Smithers, British Columbia. After hearing that a white
supremacist site had been ejected from an Internet service provider, the
teenager posted the site's entire contents in a compressed "mirror" file .
. .

Incensed, the province's Attorney General, Ujjal Dosanjh, dispatched a task
force to investigate the Web's proliferation of hate speech -- something
the Canadian government, like its allies in Western Europe, has laws
against.

"They might be the lunatic fringe, but they've embraced this technology. A
subculture is emerging," says Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal
Center in Los Angeles, who recently presented President Clinton with a disk
of extremist Web sites, and whose Cyberwatch project monitors extremism on
the Web.

Rabbi Cooper and others have lobbied Internet providers to expel the
extremist sites.

"Will they eventually find (word missing) somewhere else? Probably. But
that still makes it a worthwhile thing to do," he says.

Here is a fifteen-year-old jumping to the defense of a 20-year-old Canadian
Human Rights activist, Marc Lemire-falsely described, as far as I can tell,
as a "supramacist" and "extremist,"-against the venerable Rabbi Cooper, who
is, of course, beyond the pale and one of the most powerful men in the
Holocaust Promotion Lobby running to President Clinton, screaming oi vey!
You might think that the odds are uneven.  Is Rabbi Cooper leaning on the
Rresident of the United States for censorship because a fifteen-year-old
and a twenty-year-old may have discovered common ground on which to band
together?  Methinks that cannot be.  That's too delicious to pursue.
Imagine!

Just yesterday I had a little e-mail chat with someone who is both
courageous and wary in what he places on the net.  We talked about the
dangers.  He was on our side but said that he preferred to pick and choose
his fights-a stand that makes imminent sense.

"Ooops! "  said I.  "Sorry!  I thought you were in the United States."

"I thought so, too," my correspondent countered dryly.

Is it now time to laugh or cry?  You be the judge.  I read what's happening
as Panicsville out there.

It is both getting easier to post some documents considered thoroughly
"politically incorrect", because so many other folks are posting content
far more "militant" than ours, and soon it will be futile to hassle folks
like Lemire, but is it also getting harder in that much bigger guns are
heaved at us to blast us out of cyberspace

With not a a pretense even that this is happening!

Where it will end, nobody knows.  But I can tell you this:  There is
enormous interest and empathy "out there" for what we do and say.

We are now well past the 100,000 mark in visitors who, since we have been
on the Net, have accessed more than half a million of our documents, with
very little advertising effort on our part.  (The Nizkor crowd does it for
us!)  And not a few of those who visit, with websites of their own, have
linked to us - we do not know how many.

I like to think with pride, while quaking in my socks, that on that disk
the President of the United States received, the Zundelsite is "earmarked"
for special scrutiny-but recently I did some early morning surfing, and was
I ever awed at what is out there.  Tons!

We're not alone.  There's life out there in Cyberspace.  All kinds of
sites.  All kinds of people speaking to a voice that what is happening to
us in terms of censorship has but one source.  The enemy of freedom of
speech and assembly HAS been identified.

And people everywhere are asking:  "Why?  What is it we are not allowed to
know?  Who has a vested interest in keeping people stupid?"

Why is it that these people are so panic-stricken?  Do they fear that the
world will find out that the so-called 'victim' is and was the villain all
along?

Now it's the Human Rights Commission in Canada to get us off the Net.
Could be we'll be knocked out.  Could also be we'll win another round.  Who
knows?

To knock us off the Net will be a temporary victory at best.  I'll tell you
why.  Less than a year ago, when I did press releases on our cyber
troubles, howls of protest were common, and we were called all kinds of
names by media.  I did a press release the other day to some 400 e-mail
media addresses world-wide.  Not one small peep!  Not one!

We'll either have an Internet-or not.  We'll either have a global national
revival movement for the enormous betterment of all-except the ones who'd
rather wish we didn't-or not.

It all boils down to this, so beautifully expressed in January of last year
by John Perry Barlow in his Declaration of Independence in Cyberspace:

"Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel,
I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I
ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You
have no sovereignty where we gather.

We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address
you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always
speaks.

I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally
independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral
right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true
reason to fear."

I shiver when I read these words.  They're simply beautiful.  I had a part
in that.  For it was Ingrid-only yesterday a barefoot  immigrant,  not even
knowing how to use a telephone, or who the Beatles were, or how to get a
hair cut-whom fate had chosen quirkily to  sit there at her keyboards and
fly this jumbo jet called Zundelsite with clammy hands in the first Cyber
War in History against the Ancient Foe!  The words above were written in
response.

You listen, Rabbi Cooper.  This, too, is history.  Unlike your brand of
history that you are cloaking with the dark because it can't be verified,
I'm writing history with light.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"I would rather men should ask why no statue has been erected in my honor,
than why one has."

Marcus Porcius Cato (234 - 149 B.C.)







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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One of the top cyber journalists, a very young and absolutely brilliant
Irishman who has been gentlemanly from the start at a time when few in
conventional media were willing to give us the time of the day, wrote
recently:

". . . The face of net-activism is changing. I'm writing this from a
science fiction writers' and editors' party in upstate New York, where
we've been talking about net-politics and on-line communities.

The fronts we face now are three: national, state, and international. We've
fought the national fight in the CDA, Clipper, and recent crypto and
terrorist debates. It's been where most of our efforts have focused.

State politics lags behind that of Capitol Hill. State legislators are
starting to try to ram through bills similar to the CDA -- and, worse yet,
ones that are substantially different . . . .

The ACLU is the only cyber-liberties group tracking them. . .

I walked across Bryant Park to the headquarters of Human Rights Watch, an
international civil rights group. They don't have a substantial on-line
presence now, but they did publish a fabulous global net-restrictions
report ("Silencing the Net") this spring -- and they have what the Net
needs right now: expertise in dealing with international groups like G-7
and an extensive network of affiliates around the world. They seemed
interested in doing more on-line work, which is wonderful . . . .

Anyone who threatens to have me arrested for interviewing government
witnesses is a splendid example of a censorhappy Fed bureaucrat. . . .

We need all the help and international expertise we can get -- as we've
seen recently at the Paris summit, governments have this annoying,
persistent habit of working backroom deals. . . . "

End of his communiqu=E9.  Three or four months ago, I had a long chat with
this smart young man on the phone.  I would call him a liberal-perhaps a
libertarian. We discussed censorship.  He told me that he didn't think that
we were "dangerous".  I told him, for my part,  that there was lots of
danger out there-not us!-that it was deep, and dark. and evil to the core.


That this whole thing called censorship was NOT about pornography.   He
might have half-believed me.

One of the items we discussed was that the Fundamental Right was part of
our mutual problem because it said:  "Out with the smut!"  He agreed, but
for different reasons.  My argument was that oblivious Christians were
being drawn into the battle systematically as "useful idiots" to help the
masses see the bugaboo.  He listened, but I could tell he didn't buy it.  I
am not sure that he has bought it yet.

But I think he is now reaching for his change.  Why do I say that?  Because
more and more people realize what some of us out of the trenches of the
Last Great War know in the marrow of our bones:  The enemy will always look
for Useful Idiots to do their dirty work for them.

The enemy of freedom on the Net is now, ostensibly, the Right.  Some joke
that is!  They don't want smut-so we are told.  Well, it so happens we
don't like it either.

Here is a recent letter to the editor of the San Jose Mercury in response
to an article that ran June 25, 1996 entitled "Internet Freedom brings with
it responsibilities":

"Real censorship in America is coming from left-wing groups like the PA
Human Relations Commission and the B'nai-Brith's Anti-Defamation League
(ADL) using legal threats and media slander.

Those who question officially-sanctioned WW2 history (particularly the
Holocaust doctrine), or defend European nationalism, or oppose Third-World
immigration, or challenge American foreign policy in the Middle East can
lose their jobs and their civil rights.

Examples abound.

Where was The Mercury when David Irving's biography of Joseph Goebbels was
stopped after threats against its publisher - St. Martins Press?

What about when 40,000 copies of John Sack's "An Eye for an Eye" that were
destroyed after threats from Jewish groups?

The Mercury was silent when Dr. Christina Jeffrey was fired after Charles
Schumer (D-NY) hinted she was a "neo-Nazi."

Likewise the firing of journalists Sam Francis and Joseph Sobran.

Alan Dershowitz was hailed as a champion of free speech for trying to get
Penthouse magazine into the Harvard library; but the media was silent about
his successful effort to keep the Journal of the Institute for Historical
Review out of Harvard's library.

The newspaper I write for (The Jubilee) is banned so often we don't even
fight it anymore.

Michael Fumuento's "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS" was banned by retail
bookstores afraid of vandalism.

Anti-immigration groups have been threatened by the US Civil Rights
Commission and homeowners groups sued by the Department of Justice for
trying to organize.

Two months ago a conference of Christians and Muslims at Villanova was
canceled after organizers were threatened by the ADL. . .

Censorship is not little old ladies complaining about dirty pictures on the
Internet. Censorship is very powerful people stopping political,
historical, and religious speech they don't like.

Pornography is a straw man set up to hide the most deadly censorship in
American history under the guise of stopping "hate speech." The Mercury
should look behind the smoke-screen it's own editorial is helping to
create. . . ."

How right that letter-writer is!  I know that my young friend-if I may call
him friend, for fear that I might rub some of the Zundel-taint on him-now
sees a broader picture.  I can't foretell if he will ever join our
outlook-my guess is that it will not happen, simply because it costs a lot,
and not in coin alone.

I think he knows, however, and he respects, by now, that I am helping him
as well-and that it's not a one-way street, as it may have appeared in
January when first he put me on his list of cyber journalists.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"There is a very simple test.  Try to find the word Holocaust in the
memoirs of either Churchill or Eisenhower.

Try to find it in the Encyclopedias of the 1950s or 1960s."

(Source unknown)





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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One of my all-time favorite writers is George Fowler, Editor of the Barnes
Review, Willis Carto's new publishing baby since his falling-out with the
Institute for Historical Review.

The Carto/IHR feud is well-known and has caused grief to many.  Carto felt,
rightly or wrongly, that Revisionism, as practiced by the editors of the
Journal for Historical Review, was too narrow in focus and not relevant
enough for mainstream America.  The IHR felt otherwise since it had carved
itself a niche in Holocaust Revisionism - unique, respected globally as a
scholarly publishing venture.

The mission of Carto's new magazine was to broaden the reach of
Revisionism.  Whether or not he has succeeded is open to question.  The
Barnes Review is certainly a very popular magazine.  I enjoy it and find
time to read it, cover to cover.  I find it soft and a bit blurry,
however-like glasses that do not quite fit.

I vastly more enjoy the hard, cold blade of IHR Revisionism that keeps on
whittling at the deep tap root that feeds that vast monstrosity, the
so-called "Holocaust" as it is widely understood.

George Fowler knows this, too  His grasp on what is plaguing our world is
firm.  His editorials are well-thought-out and always on the mark.

I'll give you a taste of his writing, a bit condensed, entitled "The
Goldhagen Tour de Farce:  Racial Guilt."  (August 1996)

Here is what Fowler has to say:

The Holocaust Industry has vaulted a vile and racist book written by one
Daniel Goldhagen to stardom on the New York Times best-seller list.
Whether one considers this work, "Hitler's Willing Executioners", an
unintentional self-parody of the most irresponsible "Holocaust" literature
or a brazen attempt to counter (with sheer chutzpah) the ever-mounting and
conclusive evidence against the long-mandatory "6 million" figure, two
things are certain:

Alfred Knopf, the once-respected publishing name, has besmirched itself by
issuing this work dripping with racist venom against an entire people and
one filled with lies to fire the hatred it incites.  Whether one finds this
book outrageously vile or unintentionally hilarious - take your pick - it
is the product of a twisted mind in a perverse era.

Goldhagen makes the accusation - unsupported, as usual, because it is
indefensible - that Germans "extinguished the lives of 6 million Jews."
Yet he doesn't stop there.  Apparently, the lack of evidence of any such
slaughter is driving those who make their living and meeting their
political goals by keeping the Holocaust myth alive, to claim that all
Germans are "guilty" of this alleged atrocity, including, logically, white
Americans, the majority of whom have German blood in their veins.  Using
the same logic, would not all Russians bear the responsibility for the 20
million slaughtered by their Soviet leaders, or Jews themselves for the
atrocities perpetuated upon the uprooted and defenseless Palestinians who
have been killed in the thousands by the Israeli army?

Over the decades, the 6 Million took on a religious overtone, never
questioned, never debated, and accepted as a matter of faith.  It has been
slavishly repeated 6 million times by dutiful journalists, timid teachers
and professors, tearful preachers and politicians and pious pundits;  not
to mention "intellectuals" beyond count.

In any sane society, if it became known that millions of people believed to
have been murdered were in fact alive following an awful tragedy;  if it
were discovered that a vast percentage of those assumed dead were indeed
"survivors", such news would be greeted with cheers and relief.

But the "6 Million" mantra, endlessly repeated, has been ruthlessly used as
a club by the interests behind the high-stakes game played by the
professional Holocaust promoters.  They realize that the truth might set
millions of citizen-taxpayers, here, in Germany and elsewhere, free to
question the outrageous moral and financial impositions currently imposed
upon them by Israel, the Holocaust's chief beneficiary.

Even in the face of the implosions of the "6 million" figure, the courts
and lawmakers of Germany, France, Canada etc. continue to hound, prosecute
and jail those who publicly dispute what is now an admitted fraud.

But facts are no defense against apostasy, particularly when the
Inquisitors have so successfully cowed their flock.

As the facts bring the actual numbers of Jewish deaths down, the Holocaust
industry is not sitting still;  indeed, they are rising to the occasion and
meeting the challenge with unparalleled chutzpah.  They continue to label
those who seek factual accountings "haters" and "anti-Semites."  Because of
their promiscuous overuse, these smears no longer frighten many of those
who would previously have been intimidated.  So the promoters of the 6
million are reaching, straining to retain their stranglehold on the
conscience of Western society by upping the ante.

Now they are blaming an entire people.  Such is the very definition of
racism.  In other words, Holocaust promoters accuse others of what they are
guilty of themselves.

As these absurdities mount, and as the facts of German treatment of Jews in
World War II gradually become widely known, maybe we can free ourselves of
the shackles placed on political and public discourse, our pocketbooks and
our nation's good name by a foreign nation, Israel - which is itself the
nation most guilty of genocide, racism and hatemongering, and profits from
it handsomely to boot. . . "

In hard coin, just precisely how?  How much?

I have said elsewhere in my ZGrams that it has become a chore for me to
keep on hammering away at the muck, mire, gush and slush as served up by
the Holocaust Promotion Lobby because it is, by now, a thoroughly boring
topic.  What needed to be said about it has now been said and documented.
To me, the "Why" of Holocaustomania is much more interesting.

The "Why", according to the Barnes Review (still in the August issue but in
a different article) again a bit condensed,

". . . involves the greatest and most insidiously conjured sales and
indoctrination campaign ever waged. . .

This constant (and overwhelmingly successful) campaign to create an
impression of unique suffering has had a driven purpose, just as the
more-than-brazen "diktat" silencing any revisionist evidence or open
discussion of the Holocaust has an ongoing purpose.

The West's sheepish bowing to the professional Holocausters was central to
the 1948 establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine:  an unconscionable
violation of an indigenous people's rights by a people constantly bleating
about "human rights."

The American taxpayer has forfeited vast sums as a tribute to this highly
successful sales campaign.  In 1991 former Undersecretary of State George
Ball calculated the cost of this "special relationship" with "our closest
ally, the one democracy in the Middle East."  He examined US expenditures
>from  the time of Israel's establishment through 1991.

Mr. Ball found that direct US taxpayer costs (including standard grants,
loans, refinancing of Israeli debt to the US  concessionary tariff
arrangements etc.) amounted to 62,822,000.000.00.  The former
Undersecretary calculated that indirect costs, such as payments to Egypt to
buttress Egyptian-Israeli peace and Arab oil boycotts triggered by
pro-Israel US  bias, entail an even greater amount - $107,356,000.000.00

The total, plus since 1991 foreign aid, loan guarantees and line-item
appropriations, brings your bill for Israel's upkeep to around $200
billion.  And to this staggering sum can be added the endless billions of
marks bilked from Germany's taxpayers.

There we have it, the most successful sales campaign ever.  Complete with
the ultimate chutzpah:  You owe it all to us because we suffered Unique
Persecution.  And because all Western Christians, particularly German and
American, must share guilt for this unprecedented horror.

In company with this perpetual stream of Holocaust propaganda that sustains
this taxpayer-fed Horn of Plenty, we see a dictatorial mandate against any
expressions of doubt or calls for open discussion.

No matter how extensive the current German proclivity for self-flagellation
may be, it also remains unlikely that such massive generic attacks upon
them as an entire people-as (the Goldhagen) book constitutes-will remain
permanently unanswered.

Meanwhile, the whole uproar is yet another reminder of the truth of what
Armenian Radio said of Soviet historians-"You never know what the past may
bring."

Let that be your Thought of the Day!

Ingrid


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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Here is a quirky thought:

Somewhere I read that ". . . conscience is a small, still voice that makes
minority reports."  I sometimes think that what sets us apart from our
opposition is that, for better or for worse, we have more than our share of
this commodity called "conscience" - and that that is the REAL reason why
the odds seem against us at times.

It isn't that we are so righteous about race-although that often is the
charge-we are just trying to reduce the scolding from within.

It isn't that we want to be "superior" so much as that we want to sleep at
night.   It is uncomfortable to have this dissonance within when we are
doing something that is wrong when all of us know better.

The charge is often shrieked from every roof top in the world that we are
"liars"  "racists" "haters" - and on and on and on.  These folks don't
understand what this is all about.  They just don't know what WE are all
about.

It is much easier to be honest than dishonest, from our point of view.  It
is more comfortable to be clean than to be dirty, from our point of view.
It is far better to set out to right a wrong than to permit a wrong that's
being perpetrated, out of fear or lack of conscience - from our point of
view.

I'll give you an example.

We have an #800 that is on a flat rate contract.  The number of calls do
not matter.  The enemy, however, thinks he is hurting us by running up a
bill.  While he is at it, he spews his filth and hate.  We have a lot of
calls made for that very reason.

There is one eager beaver, particularly, who calls three or four times a
day.  It always goes like this:

"Hi, this is Ben the Socialist.  @#$%&%$#@!  How's your phone bill?  Hope
you're enjoying your phone bill.  Have a good day!  And take care!"

He has done this for months.  I wish I could send him a message that what
he is doing is futile - and let it go at that.  I cannot imagine doing
something that filthy and sneaky and petty to him - and crowing about it to
boot.  I, too, could run up a phone bill on him or get somebody else to do
it - but why in the world would I want to?

To do unto him as he does unto me would get in the way of my conscience.
It would subtract from who I am and what I am about.

So what do I want for myself?  I just want to get Ben the Socialist out of
my face.  He wants to be in my face.  I do not wish to hurt him.  He
definitely wants to hurt me.  Whatever is propelling him is not propelling
me.

Here is another little story a reader sent to me:

"I was working for IRS as a revenue officer. I got a case, a TDA, tax
delinquent account, and when I went to the address I found a quite elderly
woman with a German accent. She was a baby sitter in this home in exchange
for her lodging. She was 80, had nothing, had been a member of a rich East
German family and fled here after the war penniless, her family dead.

She got only spending money, and little of that, but they had reported her
as household help and she owed a small amount. I tried to write the case
off as hardship.  She would not allow me.  I told her she could make
payments, but not to worry - when I wanted money, I would call. It was
obvious hardship and the amount was so small there was no trouble closing
the case.

So I thought.

Then she started to take the bus from her home a distance of 5 or so miles
and then a walk up a fairly long way with a hill to the office to make her
small payments. She would not stop this and made a number of small payments
each month of $5 until the $25 was down to $5.00.

The last time I saw her was on a cold, sleet winter day winter day with ice
underfoot making her way to the office with the last payment on the time
schedule she had made for herself.

I don't think any band or speech has ever made me so proud of the German in
me as I watched that old woman.  She must have been a beauty in her day.
She was a striking, tall, determined figure, walking  through the ice and
slush to do her duty as she saw it. . . "

Now isn't that a lovely story?  Can our opposition match it?  It was one
little lady against the mighty IRS.  It's us against the mightiest media
and money power in the world.

We do our duty as we see it.  It may seem foolish.  Self-defeating.  It's
costing us.  You bet it's costing us.

But then, so what?  So what? Is it not better to be part of the solution
and cease to be part of the problem?  You won't need Sominex.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"I am more afraid of my own heart than of the pope and all his cardinals.
I have within me the great pope, Self."

(Martin Luther, 1483 - 1546)



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>From the Aryan News Agency came two reports:

*       1)  "Lauck Found Guilty."

"A Hamburg court found Gary Lauck guilty today (8/22/96) of racial hatred
charges for bringing "propaganda" into Germany.  He was sentenced to four
years in prison.  His lawyer, Hans-Otto Sieg, said he would appeal.

Speaking on the verdict, Lauck said in German "Neither the communists nor
the Nazis ever dared to kidnap an American citizen!  The fight will go on!"

In explaining the verdict, Judge Guenter Bertram said Germany must be
vigilant against 'neo-Nazi propaganda.'"


*       2)  Germany Bans Weekend Hess Rallies

Germany announced a ban on planned rallies commemorating the ninth
anniversary of Rudolph Hess' death this weekend.

Officials said they know of 24 planned rallies, but said such a high number
was probably announced to confuse police.

Hess rallies are also planned in the Netherlands and Sweden this weekend.

*       Regarding the Human Rights Commission shenanigans to get at Ernst
Zundel from yet another angle, since all the previous moves have
boomeranged, a Zundelwatch Reader reported:

"I spoke to the consumer relations man at the Inhuman Rights Center in
Canada (at) the number you gave above, and he would answer nothing except
that they were investigating a complaint.

He would not say what the complaint was or by whom.

I told him I assumed it concerned incitation to hate and stated that
nothing I had ever read by Mr. Zundel was hateful in any sense of the term.


I said (Zundel) was simply documenting truth, and since truth is the enemy
of hate, it was the suppressors of truth who were the haters.

I went on to say that most knowledgeable people know that the suppressors
of truth are the Jews and their allies;  by their own actions they are
building a tremendous base of anti-Jewish feeling. So all these moves are
counter-productive and, if countinued, could result in a world
wide-boomerang that they wouldn't believe.

I said further that they would never be able to suppress the Internet,
where for the first time millions of people are searching for and finding
the truth, no longer dependent on the Jewish media.

I said that what's more, Canada's Jewish-instigated move to censor what an
American website sends out, proves the contention of many that
international Jewry is attempting to infringe (on) the rights of citizens
of sovereign States.

The communications man said my remarks would be fully noted and passed on
to the interested parties. . . "

And, finally, not that it gives me any pleasure to report this - but it is
necessary nonetheless, to document our "paper trail":

*       Somebody spammed 129 newsgroups with solicitations for my ZGram.
Some of the newsgroups are the following:

alt.nuke.europe,alt.2600,alt.2600.warez,alt.warez,alt.binaries.pictures.girl
s,alt.sex.pictures.female,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female,alt.bina
ries.pictures.erotica,alt.binaries.warez.mac.req,alt.binaries.pictures.eroti
ca.teen.female,rarian,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.lib
ertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.u
sa.congress,alt.politics.reform,alt.activism,soc.culture.british,soc.culture
.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.military,alt.nuke.the.US
A,alt.war,soc.culture.japan,soc.history.war.misc,soc.history,soc.culture.sin
gapore,alt.government.abuse.

How do I know this happened?  Because one of the servers - or whoever is in
charge of these things - wrote to me that the spam was so massive it
cancelled itself out.

How do I know who did it?  Because the creature who cooked this up  decided
to write in to let the server know that it was all a hoax - and to please
cancel the posts.  He also left his name - well-known to me and others.
You draw your own conclusions.

Also, courtesy of the not-so-Anonymous Source, I received a letter
(supposedly written by me) that is as filthy as it gets and as sadistic as
it gets.  Apparently this letter was posted in my name in alt.revisionism.


I wouldn't know.  I do not visit there.

*       And, finally, I don't think that it is coincidence that the Aryan
Nations web page was hacked last weekend - I was told by a program called
"satan" - the same weekend the Department of Justice web page was hacked.
As many of you know, the DoJ was corrupted with swastikas and a nude woman
decapitating a man.

Where does such filth come from?  Need anybody guess?

Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

In the past, the Saxon given a vision of the sail, and he built a boat to
use it.

Then he was given a vision of a flying machine, and he built that.

Now he has been given a vision of a world of his own that is free from
domination of strangers.

(From the Hoskins Report, July 96)




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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

The Nikzor site, as many of you know, is dedicated to the refutation of the
refutionists of the Holocaust, and if you should be one of those - Heaven
forbid! - then chances are you'll end up in the Nizkor archives for your
Politically Incorrect Thoughts.  Posterity, so the idea goes, will deal
with you severely.

More yet, the Nizkorites will visit you periodically to heckle you and
shame you about all sorts of things, which happened to me yesterday when
Ken McVay came knocking twice to scold me about a video I never saw in my
entire life.

I had prepared the ZGram below some time ago, but Ernst had scribbled on
it:  "Be gentle with McVay. . . " because Ernst Zundel is a pacifist, you
see.  So I had shelved it for the time being, but the two recent e-mail
visits tipped the scales and I am shipping it today -  while trembling in
my socks.

The intro to this ZGram comes from a writer objecting to the archiving the
Nizkorites are doing with such enormous zeal.  He writes:

". . . I'd like to see a scathing comparison of the Nizkor hate file
collection (whatever they call it) to known instances of the same behavior
in history.

Russia, especially following the Revolution; Mao's Red Guard; Cambodia's
pre-teens running the re-education camps and serving as willing
executioners; Eastern European German school children in Russian-controlled
schools as Ingrid described in a recent Z-Gram; neighbors turning in
neighbors as consorts with the Devil during Inquisition and witch-burning
times. . . "

The second Zundel/Nizkor watcher takes this idea one step further:

"I think the suggestion above is a marvellous idea and (I) would like to
offer something for consideration to cover the "Russian" portion: the story
of that arch-stukach, Pavlik Morozov.

Here is the story.

To start with, you must understand what a "stukach" is (plural: stukachi).
This is a Russian term for what the French call a "delateur", and in
English, a stoolie or provocateur.

Amongst Russians and others, in a Soviet context, a stukach is the lowest
of the most lowly and disgusting creatures that crawl on this earth and
hide under rocks.

The text that follows comes from the soc.culture.russian newsgroup, but I
can't recall who wrote it. I downloaded it sometime last November.

THE STORY OF PAVLIK MOROZOV

In the 1930's, Stalin attempted to eliminate independent Russian peasants
by confiscating all of their grain supply and forcing them to become
kolkhoz serfs.

Millions of peasants starved to death during this "collectivization".

Pavlik (Pavel Trofimovich) Morozov was born in 1918 in the village of
Gerasimovka in Verkhne-Tavdinski rayon of Sverdlovsk (now possibly a
different name) oblast'. Pavlik was the chairman of the pioneer
organization in his school.

In 1932 the little stukach Pavlik Morozov denounced his own father to a
representative of Communist Party raykom for hiding some grain that was
supposed to be taken away ("khlebozagotovki").

Pavlik served as a witness at his father's trial and condemned him as a
traitor. His father was executed by the Soviets.

At a general meeting in the village, Pavlik pointed out to the authorities
other peasants who hid grain, and helped the OGPU search their homes.

On Sept. 3, 1932, Pavlik's own grandfather killed him with an axe. The
grandfather and other family members were also executed by the Soviets.

Stukach Pavlik Morozov, who denounced his own father, became a hero to
Soviet children. The "kolkhoz" organized in the village of Gerasimovka was
named after Pavlik. Many schools and "Palaces of pioneers" were named after
him.

I believe that Nizkor has done much to resurrect the vile tradition of the
stukach Pavlik Morozov, in the service of the powers that stand behind
them.

I understand that, for his sterling services, the Province of British
Columbia awarded to Ken McVay (McVey?) something called Order of British
Columbia. Since that momentous event, I see on alt.revisionism that he has
been bombastically sticking an "OBC" at the end of his name.

So, a suggestion.

Why doesn't the Zundelsite confer upon him the Stukach Order of Pavlik
Morozov, as a mark of contempt for the kind of services he and his fellows
perform as stukachi extraordinary?

He could then be entitled to stick behind his name not only OBC, but a
historically much more authentic recognition, the SOPM.

Thus, Ken McVay (McVey?), OBC, SOPM.  And that's my contribution. . . "

Let me conclude this morning with this Thought for the Day with Emerson:

"I dip my pen into the blackest ink because I am not afraid of falling into
my ink pot."

Quick, say a prayer for this scribe.

Ingrid









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From zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org Mon Aug 26 13:50:54 PDT 1996
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Boy, am I going to get it from the Left AND from the Right again for this
one!  Nonetheless, some things are worth repeating.

As many of my readers know,  I spent half of my life in what you would
condemn as a "racist society" - first in Russia, then in Germany, and then
in South America.  I have known life under four dictators:  Stalin, Hitler,
Peron and Stroessner.  I have said elsewhere that the apartheid lifestyle
was such a natural and taken-for-granted way of life for my own folks it
never dawned on me it should be otherwise.

All people whom I knew were "racists" - what fool on earth would want to be
a mongrel?  That was the attitude nobody dreamed of questioning.

Of course that was ideological indoctrination.  But let me tell you here
and now:  never of the brutality, rigidity and grim relentlessness of our
"democratic" indolence of smorgasbording every race on earth - regardless
of the wishes of the people!

I often think of that, with very mixed emotions.  I know that, as a child,
I was deprived of seeing beauty in another culture.  But on the other hand,
you in your so-called "free" democracies are now deprived, and cravenly, of
seeing beauty in your own.

So who is the worse off?

As I grew older and, hopefully, more wise, I found a middle stance,  which
is a stance of studied tolerance toward all races near and far who are
genuinely striving to achieve what we are striving to achieve - ethnic
identity and sustenance.  I have no trouble giving them that leeway.  My
tolerance is running short for those who'll stand in our way.

Which brings me to the Arab world and to a letter I received - edited just
very lightly so as not to destroy its flavor.  Please keep in mind that the
writer is not native to English.

It addresses itself to a previous ZGram where I talked about Ernst's
experience as a patriotic German in a German prison where he was very much
in the minority - surrounded by Third World crooks, pimps, gangsters and
dope pushers:

"I am writing to you to voice my concerns and ideas about your stand, and
how can different cultures interact and celebrate their differences.  If
this is the attitude of your organization, allow me to withdraw my name
>from  your mailing list, and find some White trash to listen to you.

I am, as an Arab nationalist, living in Canada. I am proud to be who I am,
and support every one to a proud nationalist, that includes Mr. Zundel.  I
have all the due respect to the German nation, whether they reside in
Greater Germany, or abroad (in Canada, US...etc.) , but in the same token,
I will not accept any nationalistic ideology which consider itself better
than the others, that is plain stupid.

I see that we both nations, the Germans & Arabs, can and should work
together, against one main & common enemy.  I hope you would clarify these
points to me, without "Gebrish"  or un-understood "Political Jargons".

I really trust that you will be honest. . . "

Well, sir, I'll try-for I believe I speak for many within our ranks and
without when I say that to take the stance of "White Supremacy" is not just
arrogant, low-brow, ill-mannered and impetuous - it is sheer suicide from a
strategic point of view.

I know that, speaking only for myself, I would like nothing better than
have the Arabs be our friends.  I know next to nothing about them.  They
know next to nothing about me.  All that is by design.  We are all kept
>from  knowing anything of substance of each other.

Divide and conquer is an old, old ruse our common enemy has used to great
advantage for himself for centuries - while brothers shed rivers of blood
to serve our enemies' interests.  We ALL need all the Allies we can get.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Patriotism is a praiseworthy competition with one's ancestors."

Tacitus


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From zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org Tue Aug 27 20:57:59 PDT 1996
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

In a previous ZGram, I talked of the Munchousen Syndrome - a medically
well-known disorder that medicine has attached to the Professional
Sufferer.  Munchousens will go to great length to find people and places
willing to dedicate themselves to taking care of victimhood.

This morning, it came to me as I was meditating over morning coffee that
there is an additional syndrome one might call the Holoschlock Syndrome,
related to and overlapping with the Munchousen Syndrome, probably not as
well-known or easily acknowledged.

The two are related etiologically and symptomatically but have the opposite
functional effect.  While Munchousens who practice their ploys with much
cunning will trick you into caring more, Holoschlocks make you care less.
Munchousens come perfumed, but Holoschlockers smell.

People who are suffering from Holoschlock are the kind who have been
described as holding a cocktail glass in one hand and your lapel in the
other.  I can think of a website or two.

Then there are other websites who  will fight Holoschlock where angels fear
to tread.

Holoschlock in the United States is rampant.  It has thoroughly infested
Washington, DC.  Two senators, specifically, are suffering a horrid bout.
As evidence I offer you the following - and please pay heed to the last
sentence:

"Senator Arlen Specter (R-Penn) and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif) presented
multi-millionaire director Steven Spielberg with a $1 million federal grant
to work on a massive holocaust documentation project, The Survivors of the
Shoah Visual History Foundation.

Spielberg said the government funding will allow him to approach Germany,
Austria and other governments for additional grants to create "a living
history of the holocaust" through interviews with more than 50,000
survivors.

Specter, upon presenting the oversized check to the super-rich movie
director, said:  "This puts the imprimatur of the U.S. government (behind
the project), but it is also to vouch for the authenticity and to validate
that the Holocaust really happened."

He said too many people discount it as a hoax."  (Spotlight, "The Shoah
must go on", August 12, 1996, page 2)

Repeat after me, class:  "Too many people discount it as a hoax."

And not just here.  World-wide!  Take, for example, Russia.  Their noses
are attuned to Holoschlock.  A recent visitor to Russia wrote this:  "I
never met a Russian who believed a word of it."

Japan, according to the "Daily Yomiuri", is fighting Holoschlock.
According to an August 4 1996 article, entitled:  "Auschwitz exhibit
canceled,"

". . . the city of Nagai in Yamagata Prefecture has canceled plans to hold
an Auschwitz exhibition this summer due to objections from a private group
>from  its German sister city, city officials said Saturday."

This is not typical of Germany, however.  In Germany there's so much
Holoschlock that people do not even notice any more.  For instance, about
100 demonstrators protested outside a shareholders' meeting of the German
company I.G. Farben on August 21, 1996, all suffering from Holoschlock:

"The demonstrators said they were protesting because I.G. Farben used slave
laborers during the Second World War.  Shareholders entering the meeting
were greeted by abuses from the protesters.

Kurt Goldstein, head of an international committee representing "victims"
said "We want the surviving I.G. Farben slave laborers to be paid
reparations from the company's capital.  This firm is connected like no
other with the criminal Nazi regime."

Critics of I.G. Farben want the company to be liquidated and have $20
million paid to "former slave laborers."

What does it all mean?  Here's what it means, as summarized by Bradley
Smith of CODOH in one of his communiques:

"Unfortunately for organized Jewry, familiarity not only breeds contempt,
but meaninglessness as well; and that shopworn "anti-Semite" name tag,
because of its promiscuous use by those seeking to fix the parameters of
debate on the Holocaust and a score of other Zionist or Jewish-related
issues, has by now reached a saturation point where the very term has
ceased to have any real, definitive meaning; having instead been turned
into a kind of smear-artist's paintbrush, which organized Jewry--or any
other political operatives, for that matter--can use to tar its critics and
opponents in order to discredit them as bigots and hate-mongers."

That is a mouthful of a sentence and reminds me of my German syntax I have
a hard time shedding -but what it says is this:

It doesn't work!  No longer does it work!  Folks are fed up with Holoschlock!

It is a harebrained effort to have two Jewish senators bamboozle yet
another million bucks out of an angry, polarized America.  It's
self-defeating to force Japan, a one-time German ally, to genuflect before
that one-time ally.  And it is sheer insanity to think that Holoschlock
will not be smelled as Holoschlock eventually by demonstrations demanding
noisily for all to see that money change pockets - or else.

Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

"That money talks,
I can't deny.
I heard it once -
It said 'Goodbye!'"

(Richard Armour )


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From zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org Wed Aug 28 13:24:34 PDT 1996
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Of course few topics are dearer to Ernst Zundel than the topic of
rehabilitating World War II as a legitimate crusade against the Evil of all
Evils:  in olden days called "Communism" and now re-packaged and
re-marketed as the global New World Order.

In one of my all-time favorite booklets, "The Wolf and The Sheep,"
(available  for $7 plus postage at VPC, PO Box 997, Lynchburg, Virginia
24505) the author writes:

    "The wolves know how to manage the sheep with their wolf-howl.
They've had enough practice. They knew what would happen ... if the sheep
caught the smell of wolves making a kill. A sheep stampede could result!
It has happened before. The German sheep caught the smell of blood as the
wolves killed Russian sheep and they stampeded. It took the combined
efforts of all the wolf-packs in the world to get them under control again.
. . Wolves already have their problems with other wolves; they don't  need
the flock stampeding off somewhere. The next stampede could take a hundred
years to bring under control.  Perhaps never."

I know that many people feel that way.  I have in the past been chided as
being too much of a "Nazi" and too little of a "Nazi" - depending on who
made the charge - but my own inner truth is that I can take or leave the
undiluted 1930s ideology.  I feel the same way about "Democracy".  I feel
that way about Religion.  Despite my work for Ernst, I don't have strong
political impulses.

My inner gyroscope has more to do with a deep need for intellectual honesty
- regardless of where it might lead.

I DO have strong feelings, however, when it comes to World War II as having
been legitimate from the German point of view.  In every fiber of my being,
I KNOW it was legitimate.  The mob rule that I knew that was called
Communism planted children's heads in saucers on the window sills of my
ancestral home.

Let me tell you right now that that is coming to America, unless there is a
willingness to face the New World Order for what it is designed to be and
willingness to understand that we must neutralize the NWO manipulators --
the same folks, not too incidentally, who were behind a lot of wars,
including recent ones we saw on our television screens as pretty fireworks.


Below are two of my ZGram readers expressing this same sentiment, referring
to some previously published letters:

Letter writer # 1 has this to say, indicative of many:

I read many of your articles with great interest, and some astonishment. I
am a 41 yr old computer type who has, over the last 25 years or so read a
great deal of WWII, mostly from a military and political point of view.

Much of the material I first started reading dealt with "The great Crusade"
by the Allies to liberate Europe and save it from the Nazi scourge. Most of
it had been written by the victors soon after the end of the war.

Soon however I tired of the incessent chest thumping and back- slapping and
began to look for other source material. It wasen't until the 70's that I
began to find and read a few books written by German authors.

Then in the 80's, as if by magic, hundreds of previously unknown or
unpublished works began to appear. Books that closely examined and
questioned the supposed military prowess of the allies and the political
motivations of the allied leaders.

To my surprise these books were not written by Germans but by Americans and
Brits - books by people like Prof. Sydnor of Longwood College, Virgina, and
the Brit author Max Hastings, just to name two.

What has come out of all this in the last 10 years or so is a new slant on
the "truth" about WWII - serious studies, just now made available to the
general public, showing the incredibly poor performance of the mighty US
and British Armies against the greatly weakened German Army, (see esp.
works by James F. Dunnigan and Max Hastings).

Also shown is the brutally underhanded fashion in which the trials, not
only at Nuremburg, but also other trials, specifically, the "Malmedy"
trials held at Dachau, (see esp. "The Devils Adjutant" by British Major
General Michael Reynolds), were held.

Here the Allied "fairness" was shown to be torture, illegal "confessions"
and mind warfare that would have made Stalin proud - . . . historical facts
that greatly tarnish the propaganda image of Allied "greatness".

I do not know what they were celebrateing in 1995 - victory over Nazi
Germany, or that they were able to get away with the massive set of lies
they managed to foist upon the rest of the world?

I do not know if what you say about the holocaust is correct or not, but I
will say I have learned enough over the years to start seriously
questioning what I have read in the past. . ."

Letter writer # 2 feels even more strongly about the distorted image of
what that desperate war the Germans fought was really all about:

"What a disappointing selection of letters. How typically American,
dejected and alienated the writers are. If they only knew the truth of
their government's actions they would kill themselves.

The truth must be shoved down their throats. The weak will choke but the
tougher ones will gain strength from it in time.

The truth about WWII which must be told is that we were the military
partners of the Soviet Union.  That America under Roosevelt was a Communist
country in complete service to Stalin. That billions of our tax dollars
were spent, while we were kept in destitution by the Depression, to destroy
Germany and prop up Stalin for the next two generations. That the US Army
was used to run Operation Keelhaul and round up millions of Stalin's
enemies for extermination.

And that our wonderful boys slaughtered more millions of Germans after the
war than the millions they slaughtered during the war. . .

Maybe we need to reassess our tactics. Instead of waging a defensive
action, i.e., that the Holocaust wasn't as bad as you've heard, maybe we
should go on the offensive.

Maybe we should be saying, The Holocaust, which is a fraud, is an alibi for
the US-Soviet genocide of the German people and all peoples under Communist
control.

Why is there not more interest in James Bacque's revelations? Why not put
the Jewish Allies on the defensive and scream about our slaughter of the
helpless? . . .

There is no question that Holocaust Revisionism is crucial to regaining
some control over our lives, but it is not enough. It must be a part of an
overall accusation, an indictment of the Jewish Allies for America's role
in the deliberate genocide of the German people and all peoples under
Communist control.

Americans cannot be allowed to escape their responsibility for the
terrifying deaths of millions of friendly people and the terrifying
existence of billions of friendly people under the control of our Communist
allies.

This 20th Century house of shrieking horror has been run by Jews and
enforced by Americans!  We can come to terms with this only by accepting
responsibility for it, whenever we were born.

The charges must be made, the guilty must be punished, even if in absentia.

Let us taper off on the ameliorating of Jewish suffering and pound the
table about the true suffering of the victims of American foreign policy!"

I conclude with your Thought for the Day by G.K. Chesteron:  "My country
right or wrong is a thing no patriot would think of saying except in a
desperate case.  It is like saying:  'My mother, drunk or sober.'"

Ingrid


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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I have a "HodgepodgeFile" where I dump items that I want the Zundel-Watch
readers to know.  All of them have one dimension in common - they are an
indication of how perceptions change of what the worldwide ideological
struggle is really all about - not about "hate" but renewal and
regeneration.

Below is a fair sampling:

*       For quite some time I have been saying that although, in the
beginning, our mail ran 5 to 1 against the Zundelsite, once people started
reading what we had to say, the ratio reversed.

Of late it seemed to me subjectively that we received five letters of
support for every letter that was hostile.

Well, it turns out that I was underestimating the approval ratio.

I have two piles of e-mail, for instance, one called EZFriends, and one
called EZFoes.  The size of EZFriends is 15,246 K.  The size of the EZFoes
is 1,320 K.  That is a ratio of 11 to 1 in our favor.  And it does not
include my more specialized EZStudents file, my EZMedia file etc.

*       I have an international media list that I use sparingly to give our
press releases real punch.  In the beginning, a press release out of the
Zundel-Haus would cause an avalanche of protest.  My roster of 500 was
eventually whittled down to some 350 who at least seemed not to mind to
hear from us once in a while.

Now we average 3-4 interviews per press release, and some of them become
repeats because reporters get to know Ernst Zundel and realize that he has
serious, responsible ideas.  Ted Koppel's office called the other day.  The
latest press release caused not a single peep of protest!

*       Quite a few folks who have no websites of their own but who like to
surf the net are now bookmarking my ZGrams just so they have it at their
fingertips each morning.  I think that is just nifty!  I have no idea how
many.

Of those who have websites, I know of about ten that have the ZGrams linked
independently of, or in addition to, the Zundelsite.  If ever I get put in
handcuffs by our ThoughtCrimes Cops for my Politically Incorrect Ways, then
all these folks will feel withdrawal symptoms and rush to my defense!

*       Just a few months ago, the search engines would bring up about 200
links in response to the query "Zundel".  The other day I pulled up 1,800!

*       When I search the Net, I am amazed at the proliferation of
nationalist websites.  All over the globe, these websites are just shooting
up like mushrooms!  Many if not most of them are more outspoken than we
are.  MUCH more outspoken than we are!

So what does all this mean?  Much bigger guns against us.

Last night I had two faxes sent to me by an associate - one from the
Canadian Globe & Mail, and one from the Toronto Star.  Here are some
thought-provoking excerpts:

The Globe & Mail, (August 28, 1996) by Parliamentary Reporter Jeff Sallot:

"Discounting these groups as isolated 'fringe elements' in society is
dangerous.  Their impact is far from isolated, given the national and
international alliances that exist. . .  (citing from a report by the
Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, released August 27, 1996)

Young people are being targeted by smooth-talking recruiters from hate
groups who are 'operating in a public relations mode', the report said.

Well-educated leaders are trying to promote their views to young people and
know how to stop just short of violating the hate propaganda sections of
the Criminal Code . . .

The report's warnings were reinforced with a presentation by Karen Mock,
national director of the League for Human Rights of the B'nai Brith.

Most everyone recognizes the Nazi swastika as a racist symbol, but teachers
are always shocked when their students can readily identify many of the
other more obscure symbols and emblems. . .

Ms. Mock told the police chiefs that hate groups are making increased use
of the Internet to spread their message.  For example, Ernst Zundel, a
well-known denier of the Holocaust, manages to skirt Canadian law by
keeping his material on a computer in California. . . ."

2)  From the Toronto Star (August 28, 1996) in a report by David Vienneau,
a quote by Perry Kelly, a senior policy advisor on hate crimes in the
federal solicitor's department:

"The department of justice has informed us they are currently looking at
the possibility of a new provision under the Criminal Code covering the
importation and exportation of hate propaganda on the highway."

And elsewhere, in the same article:

"'Their impact is far from isolated, given the national and international
alliances that exist' . . .

The report says that the Internet is oblivious to international borders and
material prohibited by Canadian law can pass freely and unexamined on the
information highway. . .

Zundel is among dozens of extremists who use the worldwide computer network
to incite hatred and promote violence. . . . The federal government last
year enacted a law that provides for stiffer penalties for anyone convicted
of deliberately abusing people who are gay, female or members of a visible
minority."

Ernst Zundel will be glad to hear that.  He has never, to anyone's
knowledge, deliberately abused people who are gay or female - or, for that
matter, a member of a visible minority.

And of  only 7 terrorist activities reported and investigated in Canada in
all of 1995, two were directed AGAINST  Ernst Zundel and the Zundel-Haus -
a mail bomb and an arson fire, both meant to kill him and his staff.

Ernst Zundel, "Holocaust Denier" par excellence, is not gay or female.  He
is, however, a very visible minority of one.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"We are not the last of the past. We are the first of the future."

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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Ernst has asked for some private time to take care of a family matter;  I
have no way of reaching him to double-check my thoughts and make sure my
hot pen doesn't get him in trouble.

Therefore, this column does not have a theme;  it's just a bit of a news
update, along with some items that might make you pause, guess and ponder.


The news across the land is good, bad and ugly.  The good up-front:

*       Don't forget the upcoming David Irving lecture tour at the
beginning of September.  For further information, please check with
ihrgreg@kaiwan.com.

*       A student website up north in the State of Washington now has an
official Revisionist section.  One of the Renaissance Kids wrote:

"I do not know if you have had a chance to view the revisionist site, but
it is coming along better than what we have expected. We will try to fix it
so students from all over the world will be able to listen to Irving
speeches via the Internet, even people in Germany. We will be working on it
this weekend. I have a good feeling about this."

I checked it last night;  it looks very nice and clean.  Please visit and
write those kids a note of support and give them some ideas and
suggestions.  They are really working against great odds because the
hostility against them on their respective campuses is palpable.  The URL
is http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling

*       I would like for someone to study the possibility of a "Revisionist
webring."  This sensible Net idea comes from a student group that is
sponsoring a  topical grouping of websites - a kind of drawing the wagons
around the tents, so to speak, as they did in the old Wild West Days.

I have felt for some time that we needed something like that, but for legal
reasons, Ernst won't permit me to link with anyone except the most solid
and traditional Revisionist webpages.  I think that a well-thought-out
"webring" would cut down on duplication and would help us to specialize and
focus better on our respective thematic turfs.

Anyone?  The URL to check is http://www.webring.org/

*       Meanwhile, another Politically Incorrect website has been axed,
this one in the US.  I don't want to mention it by name because it was not
one that made most of us too comfortable.  I never visited it, but its
e-mail bulletins were aggressive in language and hostile against other
races - an attitude that I personally felt was not attributing to a
genuinely  constructive global nationalist spirit, although stylistically
these missives  were exceptionally good.

Still, it is sad to see a website fall victim to insidious censorship.

*       Again, we are having e-mail interference - this time with ZGrams
shipped to Europe.  Hand-mailed, the letters will go through.  My server
thinks that it is a technical problem.  Who knows?

*  This item, reported by the Aryan News Agency, is two weeks old but still
of interest to us here in the West who are attuned to politically expedient
phrases used by the opposition - such as "inciting racial hatred."  Its
title:  "Georgian Arrested and Fined for Criticizing Jews."

Givi Alaznishpireli, editor of the small Georgian newspaper _Noi_, was
arrested and charged with inciting racial hatred yesterday (8/15/96) for
writing an article in which he called Jews "vampires" and blamed them for
causing problems in Georgia.

A district court fined Alaznishpireli and suspended publication of the
newspaper, which has a circulation of about 500.

The deputy chief prosecutor of Tbilisi, Valery Iosava, said it was the
first time anyone was charged under the law, which carries a maximum
punishment of three years in prison.

*       Meanwhile, here in America it is constructive to watch how more and
more journalists are "bucking from within," even those whom no one would
associate with us.  For instance, Louis Farrakhan told the National
Association of Black Journalists at a meeting on August 21 that they are
slaves to White newspaper owners.

Farrakhan said, as reported by the ANA:

". . . White folk did not hire you to really represent what black people
are really thinking and you don't really tell them what you think because
you are too afraid.

This does not protect democracy. . .The people who own the newspapers from
which you work, they have an opinion, they have a philosophy, they have a
guiding principle that they skew the news.

A scared-to-death Negro is a slave, you slave writers, slave media people.
The masses are being fed filth, ignorance, stupidity in the name of news,
in the name of media. . ."

It is telling that hundreds of people in the audience gave Farrakhan
several standing ovations during his speech.

*       Doug Collins, that feisty and thoroughly Politically Incorrect
British Columbia columnist, had this to say in one of last week's North
Shore News column:

"I am not religious, but it's odd when education authorities can remove the
Bible from schools, replace it with condoms, encourage sodomy with
preachments about 'safe sex,' yet deny teaching employment to a deeply
Christian person."

*       Meanwhile, one of the Censorship Busters, that group of cyber
journalists that originally came to our rescue when the Zundelsite was
besieged by the Powers-that-be, wrote recently:

"Forget international connectivity - most governments are trying to erect a
checkpoint at every virtual border. I have this horrible fear that in 2005
or so world leaders are going to say something like:

"We had to destroy the global village in order to save it."

Sorry, folks, that this column is such a mishmash of unconnected items, but
when Ernst is not available to check my work against his frame of reference
of what is good or not-so-good to say, I feel like a cat without whiskers.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

What makes one heroic?
- To confront simultaneously one's greatest sorrow and one's greatest
hope.
What do you believe in?
-  I believe that the weight of all things must be determined anew.
What does your conscience tell you?
- You must become who you are.
Where is your greatest danger?
-  In pity.
What do you love in others?
-  My hopes.
Whom do you call bad?
-  He who always desires to make one ashamed.
What is for you the humane thing?
- To spare someone shame.
What is the seal  of freedom attained?
- No longer to be ashamed of oneself.

(Friedrich Nietzsche in "The Joyful Wisdom.")






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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Now that America has lived through Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Vince Foster
"suicide", Oklahoma City, the TWA downing and who knows what other
mysteries, those of us who knew about political shenanigans, conspiracies
etc. decades and decades ago - not just from personal experience but
through the stories told to us by our European parents and grandparents -
want to keep saying:  "Did we not tell you so?  What do you think the last
world war was really all about?  You have been lied to.  These things are
ancient.  They repeat."

One young man who did not know that he was lied to criminally was a young
man named Rarey.  Rarey was the husband of my then-editor, Betty Lou, who
told me one quiet evening how "Captain Rarey" lived and died.

Rarey was a commercial artist, kind and sweet and gentle, who was
dispatched to Germany, death tucked beneath his wings.  He was shot down in
one of the last bombing raids on German cities, filled to the rim with
refugees all fleeing Communism,  in the last days of 1945.   He left his
wife a widow, and never saw his baby.

I have used Rarey's life and death in an upcoming book, called
"Lebensraum," where I describe the innocence that was America - a country
that was lied to systematically and brazenly and, therefore, let itself be
drawn into a war that hasn't ended to this day - that is now raging on its
shores.  Make no mistake about that!

You will get a feel for the vastness of waste and betrayal that took this
young man's life by the following letter Rarey wrote to Betty Lou just days
before he died:

"- if we can get the world into some semblance of order and keep it there
for a time, our son and his contemporaries will take over and make
something really good of it.  If we can clear the air for our child and his
generation, we're fat!

You know, Betty Lou, in a few days we will have been married four years.
We pooled our lives in our beautiful little town, surrounded with fine
friends, up to our eyebrows in love.  I don't know the date-it was sort of
gradual like the unfolding of a beautiful flower that blooms only once, and
once open, grows more beautiful with each succeeding day.  And now that
little rosebud of a baby is growing on the same bush.  That place wasn't
big enough to hold my happiness-even with the big window open.  I've loved
you there and in a thousand other places made wonderful by you.

This war seems incidental because it's already begun to exhaust itself.
The vital thing is to get and keep the thing straightened out long enough
for all the little ones to come to bat-not with two strikes on them but
with a clear field.  They'll have the intelligence to keep things in order.
We'll teach them.

The setting is perfect for the things I love best-to dream of the two
people who are my life, the lovely warm delightful Betty Lou, and our son
right at the very brink of this beautiful life.  By the time I get home I
figure he'll be rugged enough to toss around a little-how I dream of that!


I hope our child has a chance to contribute his two cents' worth of light
and color to this battered old world without being swept up on one of these
mechanized free-for-alls.

My normal place is beside you, and my lifelong job is being your husband
and our son's old man. That fine head of yours!  That wonderful Betty Lou
that I love to the very raw ends of my nerves!  You know the picture of you
and our child-you in that fine bemused profile and my baby yawning his old
head off?  Well, it is now mounted in a frame of Plexiglas upon my
instrument panel-right between the gyre horizon and the altimeter.

God, how I'd like to be with you this evening.  To talk to you and to touch
your sweet young face-to watch your eyes when they sparkle-to hear you
laugh.

These are the things I think of as I go to sleep and I think of them as I
wake.  They are part of the fabric of my mind.  Woven in with all of my
vague, uncertain ideas about things in general is this pattern that you
have made by your mental, physical and spiritual warmth.

I am impatient with this tremendous war, anxious to be finished with it so
that we can do the things we were meant to do-so that we can live.  I want
to live with you, Betty Lou-I want to give you everything I can-I want to
live with you and love you for the next forty-three thousand years. I want
to sit across a table from you in one of our favorite places and eat and
talk and just watch you.  I want to touch your hair and kiss you on your
lovely mouth.  I want long evenings with you filled with things we like
together, long nights, your love and warmth.

I dream of these things.  I want to wake up and see you there, and I want
to have breakfast with you and begin a full, wonderful day together, the
days following one after another with no interruption, just the two happy
people with their beautiful child and their love.

The fine, fine years we had together fill my mind with wonderful happy
pictures of things past.  We will have such years again-better years-we
have a child now and he makes us just one third richer than we were.  I can
wait, Betty Lou, as long as is necessary-but God, I'd like to see you.
Stay with it, Betty Lou; this war isn't exactly going backwards.

Things are happening.

I think of that house and how we'll fix it up and how we'll live in it
together.  I get so happy my feet hurt.  I want to see the funny hats you
buy and I want to loaf around the house cluttering up things generally.
This is a good war and we must see it through, but, dammit, Betty Lou, I
want the life that we have planned-we can make it a beauty, darling.  The
living we've done together has been some of the finest I can imagine, and
it will get better and better.  We'll improve with age and grow mellow as a
cello with the passing years.  Our son and his friends will flock to our
house.  They'll love his mother and put up with his old man because he'll
make sling shots and kites for them and tell them tall stories about the
great war.  I come from a long, uninterrupted line of family men, Betty
Lou, and I plan to carry on in the old tradition, even if I have been
interrupted a bit by this small but vigorous global fracas.

Hang on, lassie, fat times a'coming.

Keep that sparkle in your eyes and that tilt to your chin.  Tomorrow the
old man hits the 25th mark-I still feel like I should be about fourteen but
there it is.  How I should like to see you.  I'd like to borrow just ten
minutes from the great treasure of time that we will spend together when
this war is over-just ten minutes-I wish I could send you a whole bushel of
emeralds.

I love you two people with my very life and soul.  My old heart is yours
completely.  Give my very best regards to the tribe-and remember, Betty
Lou, I'm yours, all yours, and have just been loaned to the Army for the
duration-"

Ingrid




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______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).


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