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June 15, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite


While countries such as England are seemingly coming to their senses
regarding unwise criminalization of the "Holocaust", it seems that, more
and more, less developed and, hence, more vulnerable countries are being
used by the professional Holocaust Hucksters to enforce Politically Correct
Thought.

Argentina is one such country.  I happened to have lived there in my youth
for several years, and I can attest to the fact that at that time the
"Holocaust" was totally unknown.

Now Argentina is getting treated with Holocaust museums on one hand and
horrendous ThoughtCrime measures on the other.

I received the following letter:

"Greetings!

Enclosed please find (a) report and additional information regarding the
arbitrary application of the recently passed Anti-discrimination Law in
Argentina.

Holocaust Revisionists and scholars of the Jewish Question in particular,
and all free thinkers in general, experience their liberties under official
attack of the Argentine government.

Argentina is the latest country to embrace this corrosive trend of
censorship, in a current that is not familiar with the national tradition
of intellectual freedom and tolerance. Our friends in that country have
written a tome with the urgent appeal to translate their reports, as well
as news clips from mainstream daily newspapers, and to propagate this
report among people who will echo this cry for freedom of speech and
thought.

I now appeal to you, as men who are in a position to divulge news and
opinions crucial to the survival of our Western traditions, to publish this
piece of news. I'm enclosing a report I've personally written.  I've kept
my opinions to a minimum in an effort to provide you with as much factual
information as it is available.

Make no mistake, those enemies of our liberties who today perpetrate this
attack upon the people of Argentina, are closely related to the same alien
interest groups who have campaigned for the demise of free-speech in
Canada, Germany, France and many other nations.

It would be greatly appreciated that my name and mailing address could be
published along with this report, as a means of establishing contact with
concerned and friendly people. Also, if this report is to be used in any
fashion, please remit a copy of the edition where this matter appears, so
we may keep proper record of reactions generated by this incident and
forward them to our friends in Argentina.

Thank you in advance for your kind and prompt attention to this matter.

Very truly yours,

From: Guillermo Coletti

P.O. Box 61221
Pasadena, CA 91106
voice mail (213) 960 5671

Included with that letter came this essay:

Book Confiscation in Argentina
by Guillermo Coletti


An alarming situation, involving gross violations to constitutionally
protected freedom of speech, has been developing in Argentina since January
1996. According to official sources, the Israeli Ambassador to Argentina,
Mr. Itzhak Avir, communicated his displeasure to the Argentine Minister of
Foreign Relations, Dr. Guido Di Tella, over the easy availability of
Holocaust Revisionist literature and other printed material considered
anti-Semitic by the Jewish state.

Minister Di Tella, well known for his long pro-Israeli career, immediately
took notice of this Jewish disapproval of Argentina internal affairs and
ordered a government investigation that started in early to mid 1995 and
involved the services of the SIDE (Intelligence Services of the State,
commonly known as "Secret Police") and the Federal Police.

During the several months of the investigation, according to official
record, the policing forces of the national government have produced a list
of one hundred books and periodicals targeted for banning and confiscation.
All along, the "Secret Police" worked hand-in-hand with the Delegation of
Israeli-Argentine Associations (DAIA), a willing participant on this
investigation upon intellectual activities in the South American country
and an organization with ties to its American counterpart, the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith.

The results of this combined effort of Jewish and national spying could be
seen as this year started, when the local newspapers of January 4 1996
reported that the Federal Police have raided several bookstores and
confiscated some of the blacklisted material. Several of the most trendy
and long established book dealers have been affected by this police
operation, without precedent in the Constitutional history of Argentina.

The publications sought by the police forces, to name a few, were: the
weeklies "Patria Argentina" (founded by the now deceased scholar Beveraggi
Allende) and "El Fort", and the monthly "Memoria", a highly intellectual
traditionalist Catholic magazine, as well as the Spanish versions of Henry
Ford's "The International Jew", "The Protocols of Zion", "The Leuchter
Report" with an introduction by David Irving, Richard Harwood's "Did Six
Millions Really Die?", the quote compilation "Antizion" released in Spanish
under the name "150 Geniuses Opine About the Jews", Leon Degrelle's
"Memorias de un Fascista".  A variety of books authored by national writers
have also been confiscated, such as "Hitler's Germany as seen by the Press"
by W. Romero and, outrageously, all of the books ever written by Hugo Wast.

These proceedings have been ordered by Federal Judge Jorge Urso with the
participation of the following prosecutors: Carlos Stornelli, Luis Salas
and Germ, as filed in Cause No. 1770 in Federal Criminal Court No. 8. These
actions were, according to Judge Urso, done under the provisions of the
recently enacted Anti-Discrimination Law.

Judge Urso's interpretations of that law came under fire by the leading
newspaper media in Argentina, who found the judge's decision to be very
arbitrary and improper. Law 23.592, better known as the Anti-Discrimination
Law, bans the obstruction of participation in commerce, industry,
employment and free speech, rights guaranteed by the Argentine
Constitution, of any person or group of individuals because of race,
religion, national origin and/or political beliefs and/or political
affiliation.

Most Argentines have interpreted this Law as a means to prevent such
actions as those of Judge Urso, not as a governmental shield for
ideological persecution. It has never been mentioned, in the debate that
preceded the passing of this law, that it was meant to be a tool to be used
by foreign governments to incrude internal affairs.

Excerpt from statement made the Argentina Council for Freedom of Expression:

" (these proceedings) ... violate Article 13 of the Pact of San Jose, Costa
Rica and Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which
protect liberty of opinion. It is quite a paradox that a foreign state that
just finishes legalizing torture appoints itself as a Supreme Tribunal of
what the Argentine people can read or listen..."

Excerpt from editorial in the daily La Prensa:

"The error in perspective in which the Judge has incurred is incredible and
inadmissible. One thing is to have a militant attitude which must always be
made effective (in)  concrete acts of racial discrimination, and another
thing is to have a different opinion to that of others regarding men in
history. This type of confusion leads directly to intellectual
obscurantism."

Excerpt from editorial in daily La Nacida:

"The intervening judicial authority must order, without any further delay,
ceasing such absurd and discriminatory measure."


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Today the pressure is on, but we have a choice.  Mankind can either lie
down and give up, or we can use all of our productive skills and knowledge
to work for a better future."

Earl Butz



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which is important because the interpretation of the law that Ingrid
criticizes has been ruled unconstitutional; it will never be enforced.
 http://www.eff.org/pub/CAF/law/rav-v-st-paul.1
  RAV v. St. Paul struck down cross-burning law; interesting concurrences
 http://www.frc.org/cir/cases/wiscsct.html
  Wisconsin v. Mitchell unanimously upheld longer sentences for hate crimes
See X-Headers for other relevant URLs. And now, our daily ZGram...


June 16, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


We have on our website on every single HTML document and on the Adobe Table
of Contents the following statement, in part:

"Given the repressive Canadian government that penalizes free expression of
politically incorrect ideas and opinions as "hate crime" at the behest of
special interest groups, I need to claim protection."

We here in the United States tend to think of Canada as just a "colder USA"
but nothing could be further from the truth.  "Hate crime" laws are on the
books and vigorously applied in Canada for over two decades.

Now more and more, they are coming our way.  A student in Washington sent
us the following, as downloaded from:

gopher://leginfo.leg.wa.gov:70/00/pub/rcw/title_09a/chapter_036/rcw_9a_36_078

RCW 9A.36.078 Malicious harassment--Finding.

The legislature finds that crimes and threats against persons because of
their race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, gender, sexual
orientation, or mental, physical, or sensory handicaps are serious and
increasing.

The legislature also finds that crimes and threats are often directed
against interracial couples and their children or couples of mixed
religions, colors, ancestries, or national origins because of bias and
bigotry against the race, color, religion, ancestry, or national origin of
one person in the couple or family.

The legislature finds that the state interest in preventing crimes and
threats motivated by bigotry and bias goes beyond the state interest in
preventing other felonies or misdemeanors such as criminal trespass,
malicious mischief, assault, or other crimes that are not motivated by
hatred, bigotry, and bias, and that prosecution of those other crimes
inadequately protects citizens from crimes and threats motivated by bigotry
and bias. Therefore, the legislature finds that protection of those
citizens from threats of harm due to bias and bigotry is a compelling state
interest.

The legislature also finds that in many cases, certain discrete words or
symbols are used to threaten the victims. Those discrete words or symbols
have historically or traditionally been used to connote hatred or threats
towards members of the class of which the victim or a member of the
victim's family or household is a member.

In particular, the legislature finds that cross burnings historically and
traditionally have been used to threaten, terrorize, intimidate, and harass
African Americans and their families. Cross burnings often preceded
lynchings, murders, burning of homes, and other acts of terror.

Further, Nazi swastikas historically and traditionally have been used to
threaten, terrorize, intimidate, and harass Jewish people and their
families. Swastikas symbolize the massive destruction of the Jewish
population, commonly known as the holocaust.

Therefore, the legislature finds that any person who burns or attempts to
burn a cross or displays a swastika on the property of the victim or burns
a cross or displays a swastika as part of a series of acts directed towards
a particular person, the person's family or household members, or a
particular group, knows or reasonably should know that the cross burning or
swastika may create a reasonable fear of harm in the mind of the person,
the person's family and household members, or the group.

The legislature also finds that a hate crime committed against a victim
because of the victim's gender may be identified in the same manner that a
hate crime committed against a victim of another protected group is
identified. Affirmative indications of hatred towards gender as a class is
the predominant factor to consider.

Other factors to consider include the perpetrator's use of language, slurs,
or symbols expressing hatred towards the victim's gender as a class; the
severity of the attack including mutilation of the victim's sexual organs;
a history of similar attacks against victims of the same gender by the
perpetrator or a history of similar incidents in the same area; a lack of
provocation; an absence of any other apparent motivation; and common sense.
 ."

What does that mean?  In Soviet Russia it meant that having owned a Bible-a
book held to be hateful and "anti-semitic"-was reason for being executed.

In Germany it means that people have been jumped at funerals by State
police for having raised their arms in what was thought to be the Fuhrer
salute.  One man, Edgar Geiss, was fined DM 9,000 already twenty years ago
when he saluted a wartime comrade as they lowered the dead man's coffin
into the grave.

In England it means that school calendars are printed listing a whole array
of ethnic holidays except for Christian Easter.  In Canada it means that
Christian symbols are disdained at court houses but menorahs are allowed
and erected.

Soon, it will mean across this globe that only expressions of idolatry
toward all things Jewish will be okay.  Christian and Moslem observances
will be banned because of "Separation of Church and State."

More and more people ask:  Who needs these "hate laws" globally so as not
to be criticized and pilloried in public?

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Force is but might," the teacher said,
"That definition's just."
The boy said nought
but thought
instead,
remembering
his pounded head:
"Force is not might,
but MUST."

(Ambrose Bierce)



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June 18, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

There exists in Toronto a group that calls itself the ARA-the Anti-Racist
Action group.  It seems to be a collection of neo-Marxists, anarchists,
Trotzkyists etc.

These people pretty well describe themselves as follows in some flyers and
posters that were distributed in downtown Toronto on November 9, 1995 by
the thousands:

". . . We are Jewish people;  we are people of colour; we are anti-racists;
we are queers;  we are women and men who won't give up-we are survivors.
Today, we carry the spirit of resistance to fascism and anti-Semitism."

This ". . . spirit of resistance to fascism and anti-Semitism" translates
itself into two or three messages daily that I find on my 800 number
telephone line.  These messages are of the vilest filth imaginable and
sometimes contain death threats.

The ARA is planning an "Anti-Fascist" conference in a few days, and toward
that end they have applied to the City of Toronto for an $18,000 grant.
The provincial government of Ontario has already given them $8,000 via some
"arms length" lottery pay-out system to support "worthy causes".

The Open Letter below was faxed yesterday out of the Zundel-Haus to all the
Canadian media outlets:


To:  The City Councillors of Toronto:
And Open Letter and a Warning!

I understand the City Council of Toronto is to decide whether or not to
dole out to the neo-Marxist, anarchist, Anti-Racist-Action group, called
ARA, a total of $18,000 of taxpayers' money so they can hold a neo-Marxist,
anarchist hate fest at some undisclosed location on June 22-23, 1996.

The ARA has a long history of violent confrontation with police and openly
brags about crashing legal meetings of organizations they don't like.  The
ARA has a policy of invading and trashing the homes of their political
opponents.  The ARA has put up inflammatory posters-samples to follow-which
I have every reason to believe led to the ultimate fire bombing of my
building.  The Mayor's Committee on Racism equally irresponsibly agitated
against me prior to the arson of my house.

You can see the ARA slogans spray-painted illegally on private and public
property all over downtown Toronto!  To fund this group with taxpayers'
money is not only disgusting and highly irresponsible in and of itself-it
is an invitation to street violence, public vandalism and mayhem!

I am putting the City Council, the Mayor, and the Mayor's Committee on
Racism on notice that, should anything violent happen to me, my staff, my
family and/or my premises on 22-24 June '96 or thereafter, I am holding you
responsible and liable for all expenses and damages incurred, as well as
for my hiring extra security made necessary by your financing this group .
 . "

This letter is signed by Ernst Zuendel.

You see why people like myself are putting themselves in the trenches?  We
have no business being in the trenches, and in a sane and healthy time we
wouldn't be.  We would live intact lives and craft a wholesome world so as
to sip our tea on languid afternoons.

That luxury is gone.  In Canada, the New World Order has just about
arrived.  It will be globally ensconced tomorrow, unless good people become
determined rookies of the spirit who know there simply is no choice.  None
whatsoever.

If you want to find out what mob action looks like, go visit the ARA
Website at http://www.web.apc.org/~ara/conf.htm. And then imagine this same
mob coming gunning for YOUR children or YOUR parents.



Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The mobs of the great cities-sores on the body politic."

(Thomas Jefferson)



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June 17, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

In 1965, twenty years after Germany had been burned to the ground-with
little  left of a once-proud, defiant country but charcoal rafters, piles
of rubble, ashes, dust, maybe a memory of what might well have been, had
not the Marxist Enemy Within succeeded surreptitiously in getting brother
to fight  brother-I visited again.

I had been a small child when it all ended and thought I had forgotten
much.  When I came back as a young woman, it hit me like a fist:  the smell
of war!  It still clung to the air molecules of Germany-two decades
later!-and even though the Germans by that time, ostensibly, had dug
themselves out of their "self-inflicted" rubble.

The smell of memory is strong.  It's unmistakable.  Last summer, I smelled
it again.

Right after the arson of May 7, 1995 that turned the irreplaceable Zundel
Library of some 5,000+ books to ashes, I was invited as a visitor to the
now  legendary Zundel-Haus on 206 Carlton Street in downtown Toronto.  For
about a week or so, I slept amid the soot and ashes of that outrage, and
weeks after I left, the clothes and items I had carried with me still had
the smell of war.

Just recently, I opened my suitcase again where I keep my permanent travel
attire, and there it was.  Again.

It's war.  Let there be no mistake about it.

I remember I said to Ernst after the fire-and the parcel bomb that was sent
in its wake:  "Look, take the insurance money and come to the United
States.  You don't have to put up with this madness."

And Ernst said quietly:  "No!"  And not another word.

Friends who are close to Ernst have commented that something changed in
Ernst's soul after that fire and bomb.  Not many people see it, but I do,
because I had the privilege of knowing him before the two assassination
attempts-and I know that, then, he still felt gentle and appeasing toward
his murderous detractors.  He reached out to the Jewish community-again and
again and again.  There is a public record of how often he pleaded with
them:  "Let us reason together.  While there is time.  While we still can."


He is a changed man now.  What is within this stubborn, iron peasant's soul
can only be surmised by his tormenting opposition.  For the past year or
so, he has been very busy trying to retrieve his life's work from amidst
charred remnants of his beloved intellectual properties while fending off
the blows that have rained down on him, primarily judicially.  There has
been little opportunity for friend or foe to really see the change.  But it
is there.  He is a warrior now-a warrior of the mind and spirit.

Since that fire and the bomb-two diabolic attacks with clear intent to
kill-there have been three major judicial assaults against him in addition,
two of which have now been neutralized, thanks to his splendid legal
team-and to the Zundelsite:

1.  First, the Sabina Citron suit claiming on behalf of Simon Wiesenthal et
al-as if it were her business to speak for Simon Wiesenthal et al!-that
Jews had been "defamed" by Ernst.

That charge has landed in the trash, as per Ontario Attorney General's
experts who said that ". . . it couldn't be won" when it became
transparent, thanks largely to the material on our Website where media now
check everything in droves, that Canada could not politically afford to
have the tax payers pick up the tab again yet one more time to prosecute
Ernst Zundel and thereby satisfy some fancied Jewish grievances.  As had
been schemed and strategized!  And as the State did twice before in the two
ground-breaking Zundel Holocaust Trials of 1985 and 1988!

2.  Second, the contemptible CSIS attack against Ernst, unleashed again
thanks to voracious Jewish Lobby interests in Canada to get Ernst deported
by having him declared ". . . a threat to national security".

As of June 11, as you now know, the resulting SIRC Hearings have been
postponed "sine die"-which means, indefinitely.   Again, what made the
difference, seemingly, was EVIDENCE of lies, half-truths, distortions,
graft, corruption and political shenanigans Ernst proffered up in open
court in full view of the public, as well as pretty convincing material we
heaved onto our Website for all the world to scrutinize.

3.  One is still left-a private Sabina Citron suit for "libel" and
"defamation"-a brand new legal challenge that is just barely gearing up.
If justice once again prevails, it will be a clean Ernst Zundel sweep, as
this vindictive woman is going to find out.  She asked for it.  What will
come out of that case will be of her own making.

Ernst will never tell you this because he is a private man who guards his
strategies.  Some things he just keeps hugging to his chest, partly because
he lives in Canada where there is no such thing as ethnic fairness and
ethnic freedom of expression, thanks to that country's Leftist "hate laws".
But I will.  I will tell you.  I live in the United States.  I run the
Zundelsite.  And I can still afford to say some things I could not say in
Canada.

And I will tell you here and now that that malicious fire is still
smoldering in places you and I can only guess.  One of my guesses is that
it will play a major part in what will now be shaping up in this Sabina
Citron suit, because some of the charges ask for it.  To wit-well, never
mind!

That was a racist fire and cannot rightfully be called by any other
name-and Ernst knows some specifics about the racist fire bug.  Some of it
is on camera.  Some of it is in the files of the police where it is
heedfully kept under wrap.  And some of it was slipped to Ernst by people
in the streets who know who's who.  What's what.  And who did what.  And
for how much.  And where that payment came from.

How much he knows, I cannot tell- but that he knows more than was put into
the official records in the wake of that outrageous arson, I know as an
absolute fact.  Some reporters may or may not  yet know.  But let me tell
you, many will.  Before this mess is over!

Right after the fire, Ernst went through his burned items and found a robe
a friend had given him for Christmas he thought he could still
salvage-stinking of smoke, sooty and soaking wet and trampled on by the
firemen who tried to soak the flames-and being the frugal German he is,
when all was said and done, he tried to launder it.  Before he threw it in
the washer, he checked the pockets and found some cash a visitor/supporter
had given him a day or two before.

He sent it to me in the original, singed envelope.  I put it to good use.
With it,  the Zundelsite was born.  I still have that singed envelope-just
reeking of that fire.  It's like a fist.  It's permanent.  If  I just put
my nose to it, I know what will have to be done.  And one day, I will frame
that envelope and hang it in the entrance of the Zundel-Haus as evidence
that good can triumph over evil!

Let me give notice to these people-who have made Ernst's life's hell since
1981 when he asked "Did Six Million Really Die?"-it is plain madness what
they intend to do.  Of truth versus lies, this war of the spirit was born.
In this war, they have long ceased being "victims".  They have long since
become the perpetrators.  They have the roles confused.

They are no longer the aggrieved and blameless innocents-for what Ernst
Zundel smells, and what he will air out, let me tell you yet one more time,
is not a pretty odor.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"One man with courage makes a majority."

(Andrew Jackson)



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June 19, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite


*       Once again, I'm pitching CODOH International.
(http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/
Here is a ThoughtCrimes website that is just getting better and better!

They are presenting Germar Rudolf, the magnificent (and totally apolitical)
young German scientist who wrote Das Rudolf Gutachten and who was recently
forced to go into political exile rather than face prison in Germany for
having exercised his professional prerogative of scientifical enquiry.

I will let CODOH speak:

"CODOH is very proud to present nine banned works of Germar Rudolf in their
original German on our ever-growing CODOH International page. The works
presented there are:

*       Hier vffnen die Toten den Lebenden die Augen
*       In der Bundesacht
*       \ber richtige und falsche Erkentnisse -
*       Vom Eros der Erkenntnis
*       Leuchter-Gegengutachten ein wissenschaftlicher Betrug
*       Die Rolle der Presse im Fall Germar Rudolf
*       Zur Kritik an Wahrheit und Auschwitzl|ge
*       Webfehler im Rechtsstaat
*       \ber den Schutz der Menschenw|rde

CODOH  goes on to say:

Just as Wagner was forced to flee his beloved homeland upon fear of
imprisonment, Germar Rudolf, one of Germany's leading revisionist scholars
has had to do the same in 1996.

Rudolf recently lost an appeal in Germany resulting in a 15 month prison
sentence for having written a report on his scientific investigation of the
Auschwitz "gas chambers."

Rudolf concluded his report by stating:

"The mass gassing procedures, as reported by witnesses interrogated by the
courts, as established in the quoted judgements, and as described in
scientific and literary publications, in whatever building one picks at
Auschwitz at all, are irreconcilable with the laws of physical science."

For this judgement, Rudolf has become a wanted fugitive.

(Note: A German-language edition of the complete Rudolf Report, is
available from Cromwell Press, PO Box 62, Uckfield, Sussex, TN22 1ZY, Great
Britain.)

*       Also, don't ever neglect the IHR site
(http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/) that is Greg Raven's baby.  I haven't had
time to peruse all the gems, but I know from past experience that anything
he puts on-line is truly worth reading.

Specifically, I heard from a friend that there is a magnificent article by
J|rgen Graf, a Swiss multi-linguist with an amazing power to turn the right
phrase.

This is a bit outdated, but still worth passign on:  The IHR finally
received confirmation from a fairly reliable source that 500+ copies of
Irving's book, Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich, have been shipped
>from  England to the IHR.

Writes Greg:  "

"It typically takes a coon's age for books to arrive via surface freight
(as these are), but once they do arrive I will notify everyone.

Also on the Irving front, his new book on Dresden is supposedly now
available from his publisher in Australia. Once the IHR has copies of that,
I will also notify everyone.

His book on Nuremberg apparently will not be out until October, and volume
two of Chuchill's War will not be out until December (in time for
Christmas).

I should remind everyone that if you wish to order a copy of the Goebbels
book from the IHR, PLEASE do not send your credit card number through
e-mail. Rather, fax or mail your order to the IHR.

Institute for Historical Review
PO Box 2739
Newport Beach, CA 92659
fax (714) 631-0981

Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg

Why am I being so commercial this fine morning?  Because there's absolutely
nothing more important at this time, I think, than to arm ourselves with as
much knowledge as we can.

It's what you learn after you "know it all" that counts.


Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

"I find that a great part of the information I have was acquired by looking
up something and finding something else on the way."

(Franklin P. Adams)



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June 20, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

>From  our beloved Dr. Faurisson comes this:

"Never ever have we seen in the French newspapers so many articles about
historical revisionism.

The defenders of the "Holocaust" are becoming so nervous that a kind
neurosis is developing in our country day after day.  Following the
Garaudy/abbe Pierre scandal, all sorts of disputes, accusations, polemics
are agitating the world of sports (!), the world of colleges, the world of
intellectuals of the left (anarchists, libertarians, communists,
socialists).

Just to give you an example, France-Soir (France-Evening), which is a
popular daily, published, in its June 6 issue, not less than nine different
articles related to revisionism in its four first pages, all of them being,
of course, hostile to revisionism.

In its June 8 issue, Le Monde has published six articles in an entire page
(p.6) entitled:  "The quarrel (the debate) over negationism gets moving to
the ultra left".  It relates disputes among antifascists over the fact that
some of them were or were not, are or are not, revisionists.

In French, I would say that we, revisionists, "we are drinking whey".  In
English, I guess you say:  "We lap it up."

Anyway, considering those six articles in Le Monde, it will be more
impudent than ever to maintain that historical revisionism is only a
rightist or Nazi phenomenon."

Short and sweet, no!  Brought to you gleefully by

Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

"When a man has pity on all living creatures only then is he noble."

Buddha (563-483?)



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June 21, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I don't remember if I read or heard this story, but it is worth repeating
to illustrate this morning's missive.  A teacher introduced percentages to
fourth graders during the Hilter years by assigning the following word
problem:

"A desperate farmer needed to take out a loan.  A Jew approved $400 at
11%per year.  The loan is for three years.  Calculate how much the farmer
has been robbed."

Aha!  yelps the professional ankle-snapper.  Gotcha!

Against that backdrop, consider this one that a reader sent me last week:

". . . the French Education Minister named Bayrou has gotten into the act
of Holocaust Denial, albeit through the back door and only under duress.

It is reported that he has started disciplinary proceedings against a
chemistry teacher who asked her class on a test to calculate how much
carbon monoxide was needed to kill Jews during the 'holocaust.'

The question read: 'Hitler killed Jews by locking them in trucks with the
exhaust fumes led inside. With a truck volume of 50 cubic meters, what
volume of carbon monoxide does it take to reach the fatal ratio of five per
1,000?

If people took on average 20 minutes to die, what volume of carbon monoxide
did the engine produce per hour?'

Bayrou said on a radio interview that he has "launched proceedings and that
will no doubt be accompanied by a suspension while we wait for the
disciplinary board to intervene."

Gross?  Of course it is.

Said Bayrou:

"There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way, which belong
to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as sacred. It is
intolerable to raise them in this way."

The teacher, who reportedly is a Jew-imagine if the teacher had been a
Revisionist!-is said to have claimed that she had given the same test in
recent years and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and
revisionist theories about it.

As a psychologist who specialized in pedagogy, of course it is of interest
to me how indoctrination is applied to the young, impressionable mind-be it
for good or for evil.  And as a novelist, I tried to illustrate how it is
done.  Here is my artistic rendition against the backdrop of a German
family trapped inside Russia during the early Stalin years. The setting is
a classroom, where a German child is systematically alienated from, and
made ashamed of, her own ethnic past and the values that go with that past:

"The leader of the Pioneers gave Mimi a white blouse, a red scarf and a
little bag of sugar cubes, along with firm instructions:  "Here is a
notebook, a pencil, and a ruler.  D is for duty.  K is for kulak.  I expect
you to distinguish yourself by reporting to us what you hear."

"Of course I will," said Mimi, cut from the cloth of an obedient clan.

She was living among the pariahs.  Their dogma, the germ of corruption;
their monarchist views were well known.  She was impatient with their ways.
She thought them tiresome and silly, composed of little else but useless
sentiment.  Their  folkish view were foolish evidence of an archaic way of
life, and dangerous as well-more so as time went on.

The Party lent her graphic words she could respect and use.  A giant squid,
religion.  Like slime on naked flesh.

She kept her tongue in check, careful not to offend.

Since she was lithe and limber, she learned to walk on egg shells all the
time.  She was submissive in her character and did not like to cause her
family hurt feelings.  She wanted to placate and please, but on the other
hand, she had respect for goals the Party proffered her on which to mold
herself.

The teacher raked thin fingers through her graying hair and asked
repeatedly:   "Who's our model?  Our hero?  Who is the most beloved man who
ever walked this earth?"

"Comrade Stalin! Comrade Stalin!" chorused Mimi, along with forty other
children, thus paying homage to her country's foremost citizen--a cagey
bantam, full of crow, a man who, even though he stood a mere five feet in
height, had energetically replaced the sluggish czars, bewhiskered and
corrupt.

Students like Mimi were at a premium.  She was like a blotter, absorbent.

"We thank thee, Comrade Stalin, for a happy childhood," recited Mimi,
striving to be mannerly.  She filled three notebooks with that theme.  She
wrote with even pen:

"He is tomorrow's ruler of the universe, the master of the masses.  The
fate of every citizen is resting in his hand.  He does not wish us to be
caged in by outdated beliefs.  He is the magnet;  we are the filings.  He
will level the rich and raise up the poor.  He strives for a state built on
reason.  He is preparing for world revolution."

Lest she forget how much she owed to him-the man who chased the past away
and spelled it out for her whom she must hate and love-she had installed
his picture over her bed, to be reminded of her duties daily.  He was a
genius, she knew.  The teacher told her so.

"He and the Russian citizens are one," she finished with a flourish,
although the ink was watery, the blotter soaked with blotches.  "They will
never abandon each other."

She was ten years of age, earnest and thoroughly informed.   She knew who
harmed the country, who was above reproach.  The God of yesterday had been
a tyrant.  A  forward-looking citizen was free.

She signed her name to everything, for she was eager to do battle for her
Party.  She sang the Internationale as gustily as possible and believed
that all people were brothers.

Her body grew muscle from handstands and backflips.  She fastened her eye
on a diligence medal.  She wrote:  "From each according to his skill, to
each according to his needs."

The teacher gave her several sidelong glances. She looked like a stork that
was digging for frogs.

"Now, little citizen.  Yet one more time.  Speak up and answer boldly.
Where does the Bible now belong?"

"Atop a compost heap."

 What you just read is called the New World Order.  It has already had a
trial run in Russia.



Ingrid

Thought for the Day (paraphrased):

"A politician is a person who pulls habits out of rats."



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June 21, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I don't remember if I read or heard this story, but it is worth repeating
to illustrate this morning's missive.  A teacher introduced percentages to
fourth graders during the Hilter years by assigning the following word
problem:

"A desperate farmer needed to take out a loan.  A Jew approved $400 at
11%per year.  The loan is for three years.  Calculate how much the farmer
has been robbed."

Aha!  yelps the professional ankle-snapper.  Gotcha!

Against that backdrop, consider this one that a reader sent me last week:

". . . the French Education Minister named Bayrou has gotten into the act
of Holocaust Denial, albeit through the back door and only under duress.

It is reported that he has started disciplinary proceedings against a
chemistry teacher who asked her class on a test to calculate how much
carbon monoxide was needed to kill Jews during the 'holocaust.'

The question read: 'Hitler killed Jews by locking them in trucks with the
exhaust fumes led inside. With a truck volume of 50 cubic meters, what
volume of carbon monoxide does it take to reach the fatal ratio of five per
1,000?

If people took on average 20 minutes to die, what volume of carbon monoxide
did the engine produce per hour?'

Bayrou said on a radio interview that he has "launched proceedings and that
will no doubt be accompanied by a suspension while we wait for the
disciplinary board to intervene."

Gross?  Of course it is.

Said Bayrou:

"There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way, which belong
to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as sacred. It is
intolerable to raise them in this way."

The teacher, who reportedly is a Jew-imagine if the teacher had been a
Revisionist!-is said to have claimed that she had given the same test in
recent years and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and
revisionist theories about it.

As a psychologist who specialized in pedagogy, of course it is of interest
to me how indoctrination is applied to the young, impressionable mind-be it
for good or for evil.  And as a novelist, I tried to illustrate how it is
done.  Here is my artistic rendition against the backdrop of a German
family trapped inside Russia during the early Stalin years. The setting is
a classroom, where a German child is systematically alienated from, and
made ashamed of, her own ethnic past and the values that go with that past:

"The leader of the Pioneers gave Mimi a white blouse, a red scarf and a
little bag of sugar cubes, along with firm instructions:  "Here is a
notebook, a pencil, and a ruler.  D is for duty.  K is for kulak.  I expect
you to distinguish yourself by reporting to us what you hear."

"Of course I will," said Mimi, cut from the cloth of an obedient clan.

She was living among the pariahs.  Their dogma, the germ of corruption;
their monarchist views were well known.  She was impatient with their ways.
She thought them tiresome and silly, composed of little else but useless
sentiment.  Their  folkish view were foolish evidence of an archaic way of
life, and dangerous as well-more so as time went on.

The Party lent her graphic words she could respect and use.  A giant squid,
religion.  Like slime on naked flesh.

She kept her tongue in check, careful not to offend.

Since she was lithe and limber, she learned to walk on egg shells all the
time.  She was submissive in her character and did not like to cause her
family hurt feelings.  She wanted to placate and please, but on the other
hand, she had respect for goals the Party proffered her on which to mold
herself.

The teacher raked thin fingers through her graying hair and asked
repeatedly:   "Who's our model?  Our hero?  Who is the most beloved man who
ever walked this earth?"

"Comrade Stalin! Comrade Stalin!" chorused Mimi, along with forty other
children, thus paying homage to her country's foremost citizen--a cagey
bantam, full of crow, a man who, even though he stood a mere five feet in
height, had energetically replaced the sluggish czars, bewhiskered and
corrupt.

Students like Mimi were at a premium.  She was like a blotter, absorbent.

"We thank thee, Comrade Stalin, for a happy childhood," recited Mimi,
striving to be mannerly.  She filled three notebooks with that theme.  She
wrote with even pen:

"He is tomorrow's ruler of the universe, the master of the masses.  The
fate of every citizen is resting in his hand.  He does not wish us to be
caged in by outdated beliefs.  He is the magnet;  we are the filings.  He
will level the rich and raise up the poor.  He strives for a state built on
reason.  He is preparing for world revolution."

Lest she forget how much she owed to him-the man who chased the past away
and spelled it out for her whom she must hate and love-she had installed
his picture over her bed, to be reminded of her duties daily.  He was a
genius, she knew.  The teacher told her so.

"He and the Russian citizens are one," she finished with a flourish,
although the ink was watery, the blotter soaked with blotches.  "They will
never abandon each other."

She was ten years of age, earnest and thoroughly informed.   She knew who
harmed the country, who was above reproach.  The God of yesterday had been
a tyrant.  A  forward-looking citizen was free.

She signed her name to everything, for she was eager to do battle for her
Party.  She sang the Internationale as gustily as possible and believed
that all people were brothers.

Her body grew muscle from handstands and backflips.  She fastened her eye
on a diligence medal.  She wrote:  "From each according to his skill, to
each according to his needs."

The teacher gave her several sidelong glances. She looked like a stork that
was digging for frogs.

"Now, little citizen.  Yet one more time.  Speak up and answer boldly.
Where does the Bible now belong?"

"Atop a compost heap."

 What you just read is called the New World Order.  It has already had a
trial run in Russia.



Ingrid

Thought for the Day (paraphrased):

"A politician is a person who pulls habits out of rats."



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June 23. 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Today I want to pitch two books because, above all else, I believe that we
must take our spiritual nourisment as conscientiously as our vitamins.
Unless we heal our souls, we will not heal this planet.

That healing ointment is the Truth-to the extent is is accessible.

First, David Irving's newest book, "Goebbels:  Mastermind of the Third Reich."

Up-front, I will make a confession:  I haven't read a single one of
Irving's impressive list of titles.  I should have but didn't.  I have
already made a resolution that I will speedily catch up.

I developed an early aversion to Irving during the "Hitler Diaries"
hullabaloo some twenty or so years ago when he was called to Germany as an
expert to state if they were genuine or not.  At that time, he was still
the darling of the media and the Establishment, and I remember well my
visceral reaction to what I thought was pandering to a decided enemy.

Since then, I have watched Irving with growing admiration, because to have
become an outspoken revisionist has cost this self-assured and dauntless
writer plenty.  As many of you know, Irving saw the light during the second
Zundel Trial in 1988 when he was given the Leuchter Report to study and met
Leuchter personally.  To his eternal credit, he has steadfastly stuck to
his guns on Leuchter's findings.

And since his latest book has been so poisonously vilified, it must contain
some mighty uncomfortable truths-or else, why all that hysterical
shrieking?   Therefore, I let Greg Raven speak who sells this title through
the Institute for Historical Review:

"The Book 'They' Don't Want You to See!

Defying an international censorship campaign, here at last is David
Irving's Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich.

This stunning new biography made headlines around the world in April when
one of America's most prominent publishers -- succumbing to what the London
Times called "prolonged protests from Jewish pressure groups" -- broke its
contract and halted publication.

Before it gave in to a vicious campaign that included death threats, St.
Martin's Press was praising Goebbels as "monumental in scope ... Insightful
. draws on masses of previously unpublished materials ... Masterful ...
masterpiece of research as well as a compelling story ..."

Now you can enjoy your own copy of Irving's brilliant product of seasoned
scholarship and gifted writing. You'll treasure this sumptuous hardcover
masterpiece of nearly 700 pages, with more than a hundred photos, many in
full color.

The New York Times Book Review calls this a "Rolls Royce" of a book,
"filled with costly color photographs," written in "lively and compelling"
prose, with "155 pages of footnotes."

Typical of the grudging praise that Goebbels and Irving have been receiving
in Britain is the commentary of George Stern in the Literary Review:

"As with his books on Hitler and Gvring, Irving tries to show how events
looked to Goebbels. He is the first to use Goebbels' full diary, 75,000
pages, recently found in Moscow. He has interviewed many people, including
surviving Nazis, and has used innumerable memoirs and diaries. The result
is unique, as though Goebbels had a video recorder on his shoulder...
Irving supplies well over a hundred photographs, some as sharp and as
colourful as if they were taken yesterday... Irving's trademark research
into original manuscripts is uniquely impressive."

In his Daily Telegraph review, British historian John Keegan wrote:

"David Irving knows more than anyone alive about the German side of the
Second World War. He discovers archives unknown to official historians and
turns their contents into densely footnoted narratives that consistently
provoke controversy... His greatest achievement is Hitler's War, which has
been described as `the autobiography the F|hrer did not write' and is
indispensable to anyone seeking to understand the war in the round. Now he
has turned his attention to Joseph Goebbels... The result is a
characteristic Irving book: 530 pages of text and 160 pages of relentless
references..."

Writing in London Daily Mail, historian Tom Bower commented:

"... Irving attracts credibility and attention by his indefatigable energy,
intelligence and resourcefulness. Compared with most British historians,
often a dull, lazy breed, Irving has spent a lifetime ceaselessly
crisscrossing the globe to gather eyewitness evidence about World War II...
As a formidable researcher, Irving has regularly surprised and challenged
other historians and his archival armoury could not be ignored. ..."

The price is $49.95, plus shipping ($3 domestic, $5 foreign). For orders of
more than one book, include $1 for each additional book. California
residents must add 7.75% ($3.87) state tax.

The address is:  Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 2739, Newport
Beach, CA 92659, USA For faster service, fax your credit card order to: 714
- 631 0981.  Do NOT send me orders by e-mail. Especially, do NOT send your
credit card numbers by e-mail, as e-mail is not a secure method of
communicating.

The second book, also sold through the IHR, is "You Gentiles"-also
available through IHR, though I am not sure of the price.  I don't remember
when a book has so impressed me as this one.  It was written by Maurice
Samuel, a Jew, author of "The Outsider", "Maurice Samuel:  I, the Jew" and
"Whatever Gods."

To say it is a stunning book does not come close to describing its
stylistic beauty and penetrating insights. I started underlining it, and I
have quotes on practically every single page.  This reading is a MUST for
anyone who wants to understand just what the coming struggle for the people
on this planet is about.  The author speaks of "us" and "them" not as
people so much as of spiritual forces that essentially serve different
cosmic mandates-and that this primal duality is of such depth and
fundamental cleavage we can't avoid its tragic consequences, no matter how
we try.

Here is one passage, just to give you a flavor:

". . .  another question, more subtle and disturbing, must be faced. . .
There are two life-forces in the world I know:  Jewish and Gentile, ours
and yours.   If this be a truth, we must not be driven from it if, like
many other truths, it is overlaid and obscured by the irrelevancies of
life, by the intersection and confusion of currents.

Here is the gentile life-force;  here is the Jewish life-force.  What their
origin was I cannot say.  I can only surmise dimly what circumstances,
reacting upon what original impulses, produced the Jewish life-force, a
consistent and coherent force, a direction in human thought and reaction.

To you others belongs the gentile life-force, a mode of life distinct from
ours. . .

Your outlook on life, your dominent reactions, are the same today as they
were two thousand years ago.  All that has changed is the instrument of
expression. . . the cleavage is there, abysmal and undeniable.  In the
main, we are forever distinct. "

Other, often-quoted passages are:

"We Jews are accused of being destroyers:  whatever you put up, we tear
down. . .  We are not iconoclasts deliberately:  we are not enemies of your
institutions simply because of the dislike between us. . . .

Because your chief institution is the social structure itself, it is in
this that we are most manifestly destroyers. . .  You feel our disruptive
difference most keenly, most resentfully, in our deliberate efforts to
change your social system. . .  we cannot help ourselves:  any more than
you can help resenting our interference.  While we live we must give
utterance to our spirit.  The most insistent effort on your part will fail
to change our nature.  . .

In everything we are destroyers-even in the instruments of destruction to
which we turn for relief.  The very socialism and internationalism through
which our choked spirit seeks utterance, which seem to threaten your way of
life, are alien to our spirit's demands and needs. . .

A century of partial tolerance gave us Jews access to your world.  In that
period the great attempt was made, by advance guards of reconciliation, to
bring our  two worlds together.  It was a century of failure. . .

We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever.  Nothing
that you will do will meet our needs and demands.  We will forever destroy
because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which is not in your
nature to build."

Here is a shocking book, and a magnificent book.  Above all else, it is a
truthful book.  Whatever else our side might sometimes righteously and
sometimes in frustration heave at the "other side" or, better said, against
the "other side"-one theme recurs in street talk and in the most scholastic
essays:  "You cannot ever trust a Jew to speak the truth."

Here is one Jew who speaks the truth.  Trust him-or suffer the
consequences!  This book will deepen you.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Show me the books he loves,
and I shall know
The man far better than
through mortal friends."

(S. Weir Mitchell)



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June 24, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

How far we have come since January when we first had the cyberspace
stand-off over some mighty weighty Zundel documents that we were shoveling
onto the Zundelsite in preparation of taking on the Nizkorites-who, since,
have practically become irrelevant in what is going on world-wide!  These
days, they mostly archive.

Sometimes I just sit back and think:  "My God!  Ernst did all that?"

It seems surreal-that, and a lot of other things that happened.  This tale
is not yet over.  In fact, it has barely begun.

The stage has been set.  The curtain is up, and the players are out in the
open-good against bad, light versus dark.  It will be Shakespearean
drama-maybe before this century is out.  Then maybe Revelations will come
true, and my good friend, Lorraine, she of the Seventh Day Adventist fold,
will say:  "See?  And you never let yourself be rescued and redeemed."

To recap briefly:

When I met Ernst, less than two years ago and realized just who he was and
that he was, in essence, going solo against a monstrous foe of world-wide
brawn and means, and when I recognized his argument had substance;  I said
to him:  "Well, now there's two of us."

Right after Christmas, it was essentially just me and my computer in a
small, rented room with all my doors wide open-and in my back no more than
a brave, somewhat quirky resolution that, marshaling my writing skills, I
would help one lone, stubborn German focus his lifelong argument that what
was called the "Holocaust' was little more than holoschlock-in other words,
a hoax.

At that time, my own revisionist commitment was mild.  In the back of my
mind, I had always known that much of the atrocity propaganda of World War
II was little more than that-propaganda!-but I had certainly no great
investment in the cause.  It did not touch me where I lived.  I personally
had never hurt a Jew;  I had no vivid recollection that a Jew had ever
caused me harm directly;  my putting myself and my writing skills behind
the revisionist argument via the Zundelsite-then little more than just a
web page baby-was just a gut reaction to find out for myself if it was true
what my own German granny always said:  That lies had skimpy  legs.

Just as I could not clearly remember when I had first bought into the idea
that there had been a "Holocaust," so I could not remember clearly when I
first had some serious doubts about the whole schlamassel.  I think it
clearly came to me when Ernst once said:  "This is extortion.  Plain and
simple.  Extortion on a global scale.  The state of Israel has been built
on extortion.  The world will shudder when people finally find out."

It was a gradual thing.  It was a cumulative thing.  And my own personal
involvement in this whole enterprise we then still called the "Holocaust
debate" with Nizkor was more in the nature of wanting to clarify matters in
incremental ways than wanting to set the world straight in political terms.

To a certain degree, I still feel that way.  For me, there's little
personally to be gained.  When all this is over, and I am still around, I
hope to go to the Riviera to recline in the sunshine and marvel:  "Remember
when?  It was like poking innocently into a hornet's nest and unleashing a
shower of stingers."

What made the difference for me, and popped my eyes wide open, was the
sheer viciousness of the reaction to what we were trying to do.  It wasn't
just the Nizkorites, although they played a role in teaching me the shoddy
tactics of the opposition by ". . . going after a mosquito with a cannon."
World-wide, a vile, ferocious and what seemed to be coordinated witch hunt
was unleashed to quash the Revisionist voice on the Net-a witch hunt out of
all proportion to what we were trying to do!

Now, many countries are involved in massive ways in making sure that their
awakening, freedom-thirsting people, the leadership elites of tomorrow,
will not have access to the Net and information there available-and what is
almost laughable is that this still goes in the guise of that dilapidated
pretext-"pornography."

Pornography my foot!

Just look around you!  Have you ever seen so many Holocaust memorials pop
up with such desperate speed, so many "hate laws" passed, so many
publishers intimidated, so many judges genuflect, so many people being
Brandoized-this in the wake of hundreds of thousands of ears pricked up to
those five words, to that first Zundel question:  "Did Six Million Really
Die?"

Did Six Million Really Die?

Try asking.  See what happens!

I remember the first time I summarized the nature of this worldwide
discharge for one of my favorite censorship busters-a young man who, at
first, was talking flippantly of me and those who speak my language, but
who has since become my friend.  I'll call him Jeff.

"Well, listen, Jeff," said Ingrid, "this isn't about smut.  This is about a
huge extortion racket."

And Jeff said something like "Hey, wait a minute!  Wait a minute!  Listen!
Don't take yourself so seriously.  Today it's this;  tomorrow, that!  It
doesn't mean a thing!  I've been around this argument a long time.  There's
always someone somewhere who wants to eff around with freedom of speech and
assembly."

These days, Jeff doesn't think that way.  He has become one pensive,
thoughtful fellow.

First-hand, he has experienced what it means to traipse onto real  Mafia
turf in all his youthful innocence.  There have been threats to his career.
There has been personal vilification and professional character
assassination.  A few of those he thought were his good friends have shown
real claws.  Still others are fumbling, as he still does, with the enormity
of what has barely been revealed.

I think the most significant outcome since January has been the fact that a
hitherto "invisible" enemy has been flushed out of his lair and right onto
the super-highway.  People now KNOW what interests, what lobbies, what
operators, what "Centers of Tolerance"-in summary, just WHO it is that
wants to stifle the Revisionist voice on the net.  And that is probably the
most significant development that has developed since January of this year.

There is no more pretense.  There's no more chance to hide behind such
yelps as "racists!" and other unflattering smears.

Just recently, I saw the following, which makes me laugh-yet also makes me
sad, for it bespeaks a certain timid Western spirit.  Said one of the
censorship busters, referring to larger dimensions pertaining to Freedom of
Speech:

". . . though perhaps in the future, netizens may make an argument that
obscenity as a concept is fundamentally flawed, is based on a revisionist
view of history and First Amendment jurisprudence, and is ultimately
inapplicable and inappropriate for cyberspace."

Translated, it means:  "Well, durnit!  Ernst Zundel was right after all!"

You bet your shiniest dime!


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"When a fellow says, "It ain't the money but the principle of the
thing-it's the money!"

("Kin Hubbard")



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June 25, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

My mother was a quirky lady with a propensity for strange antipathies.  She
had this thing against the French, and when I asked her why, she claimed
they had a laugh against her.

Subconsciously, I must have bought into her prejudice, because I always
thought so, too-and it was not until I finally, at long last, met my first
live Frenchman that it began to dawn on me just what she meant.  And why.

It happened to be Dr. Faurisson, two years ago at the IHR Annual Convention
where he gave an inspiring speech. I have seldom laughed so hard in my
entire life as I did then, that afternoon, listening to Dr. Faurisson
describe how he had made The Honorable Michael Berenbaum-he of the US
Holocaust Memorial Museum-". . . just climb the curtains! climb the
curtains!"  by insisting:

"Show me or draw me a Nassi gaz chamberr.  Don't give me shoes.  Don't give
me glasses.  Don't give me hair.  Don't give me teeth.  Show me or draw me
a Nassi gaz chamberr."

The whole Revisionist argument, right there-stripped down to its
essentials:  Where is the smoking gun?

Against that background, this morning I indulged in a quiet discourse with
my departed mother, and this is what I said to Mutti:  "The French still
have a laugh against you."

The evidence came yesterday in two delicious, separate e-mails from one of
my French netizens-at least I think that's what he is!-with whom I have
developed this instant joy that only e-mail can convey.

Wrote he:

". . . I must tell you, I've just discovered a French forum (based in
Paris, I think) in Compuserve to which I subscribe.  There is a furious
debate going on about the abbe Pierre.

I don't know whether you're aware of this, but there is no one in the world
who can argue and insult better than a Frenchman-except, maybe, the
Russians.  They are absolutely, totally unbeatable in this field.
Alt.revisionism is a Sunday-school picnic in comparison.

Anyway, I've just now downloaded the entire thread related to Abbe Pierre -
over 170 messages.  It must be a record of sorts: on the net or at
Compuserve, 12 or 20 messages per subject is tops.

Then there is another thread, on the subject of "propos orduriers"
(translation: guttersnipe language); another 50 messages, where the
participants hurl insults at each other.

I haven't yet had a chance to read more than 2 or 3 messages, but enough to
indicate that this is glorious stuff.  I think Robert Faurisson would roll
on the floor from laughter. . . "

And then, a little later:

". . . I'm now getting the sense of that debate about Roger Garaudy and
Abbe Pierre on the Compuserve forum in France.  It's an avalanche: 175
posts in only 4 days. They are going at it, hammer and tong, about
Garaudy's book and the good Abbe's comments.

But not a single one of them will admit to having actually _read_ either
the one or the other!  It's a riot.  Above all, it seems super-important to
avoid being labelled a "revisionniste", which is apparently a very bad
smear over there.

And you _must_ be a revisionniste if you've read Garaudy.

However, this does not stop most of them from condemning in the strongest
and most detailed terms what Garaudy is accused of having written.  Among
the most virulent attackers there is a preponderance of Jewish names.
Rabbi Hier would be proud.

It's a strange country. Give me the USA any time.

The ignorance of modern history on this forum is palpable, as well as a
hysterical intolerance for any point of view but the official one. I expect
their kind of people could become bosom pals with the ARA in jig time.
What a mob!

Thinking back on your several recent Zgrams, I guess everyone in the world
was quite happy with the prevailing state of general ignorance (myself
included), until Ernst stirred up the hornet's nest. There's nostalgia on
that forum for the status quo as it existed in the '60s and '70s - you
know, no one had ever heard of "revisionnisme" back then. . . "

Now you see what I mean?  No wonder that the claim is that the Germans have
no sense of humor.  And here I always thought the reason for my mother's
feelings was the shabby Treaty of Versailles!

Is this not sublime irony?  That here's a bunch of Frenchmen just hurling
insults at each other out of sheer French elan - never bothering to check
just what the controversy is really all about?

Thereby becoming the first country in the world to make sure EVERYBODY
understands that there is such a thing as doubt when it comes to the
Holocaust?

With Germany just sitting on its big, fat ass-if you will pardon my own
French-content with playing cash cow, just chewing the enemy's cud?

My hat is off to Dr. Faurisson, Frenchman par excellence, who marches his
small, dainty frame straight into the wolf's den in Washington, D.C. to
dare  a Huckster to his face:  "Show me or draw me a Nassi gaz chamberr!"

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"A fanatic is one who sticks to his guns whether they're loaded or not."

(Franklin P. Jones)



From ezundel@alpha.c2.org Tue Jun 25 20:20:24 PDT 1996
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the Zundelsite, whose ZGram directory has nothing for today. In fact,
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ZGRAMS/000.TOC.html suggests that
it's still June 18th...

In lieu of the day's ZGram, here's a followup to one sent a week ago.

In the June 15th Zundelgram, Ingrid forwarded a message from Guillermo
Coletti, supposedly about the repression of revisionists and anti-Semites
in Argentina. The reaction from the readers of soc.culture.argentina,
where the ZGram was posted separately, was predictible. Ingrid was
immediately recognized as a liar. For example, Leo Reiner wrote:

  Next time you need to camouflage yourself within a crowd having first
  hand experience living under a facist regime you may want to avoid all
  the facist euphemisms: "the Western traditions", "Christian way of
  life", etc.  "A peace worth living" --una paz que merezca ser vivida--
  is especially to be avoided. These slogans give you away. These folks,
  the Argentines, are way too sensitized to the language that was used
  to justify the persecution, torture, and disappearance of thousands of
  people.  Although, again, I suspect that your opinion is that this
  event never actually occurred either.

So there you have it. If you read Spanish, you can find these threads in
DejaNews under the headings "Ley 23.592," "Guerra sucia," and "Las leyes
antidiscriminacion, censura y nazismo."

You can't fool all the people all the time.

Love,
-- 
The E. Zundel Repost Team
ezundel@alpha.c2.org



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Responding to Anonymous H*ber's concerns about misrepresentation, we
have moved to a new address that more clearly identifies us. For about
a month, we've been including X-Original-Subject headers.

I'm going to be out next weekend, and the other guy is going to be out
in early July. If you want to continue to see the daily ZGrams on
Usenet, we need a few more volunteers. All email to and from the ZGram
Cabal middleman list (TM) (TINC) is securely encrypted.

Alternatively, I could probably just automate the process... but that
raises some dangers.

Love,
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From ezundel@alpha.c2.org Thu Jun 27 20:58:51 PDT 1996
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The real thought for the day:

 According to his virtue let us use him,
 With all respect and rites of burial.
 Within my tent his bones to-night shall lie,
 Most like a soldier, order'd honourably.

 (Julius Caesar, Act V, Scene 5)

And now, today's Zundelgram:

June 26, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I have said before that the word "Nazi" evokes in my heart the same
legitimate anger most any ethnic group would feel if similarly vilified.
That cheap shot does not describe me and what my life and work and energy
are really all about.

I hate it when it's being used connected to my name.  It is unfair and
vicious.  I have asked people not to use it, as a courtesy to me, and they
have turned me down-and rather smugly so.

Milton Kleim, whom I have never met but whom I watched for quite some time
in his attempts to give voice to our struggle, has formulated some of my
own feelings in the following:

"What is a "Nazi?"

That's a good question.  There's alot of wisdom in the maxim, "WHAT is a
'Nazi?'  It's someone who is winning an argument with a 'liberal'."

Essentially, the term has no definitive meaning.  It's a plastic cliche of
no factual substance, applied to an opponent to divert discussion and
debate into the emotional, impulsive arena, out of the realm of rational,
meaningful dialogue.

"Nazi" is a pejorative invented by the opposition of the German National
Socialists. . . It is no more legitimate and accurate to use "Nazi" to
describe a National Socialist, than it is to use "Christ killer" to
accurately describe a Jew, or to use "rag head" to accurately describe an
East Indian.

The illiberal "liberals" vocally decry dehumanization and objectification
of human beings, but it is they who most often fail to practice what they
preach.

The illiberal "liberals" prefer to deal with caricatures, rather than
people, for caricatures are easier to confront.  Caricatures don't need to
be debated.

The illiberal "liberals" refrain from substantive discussion with those
they objectify mainly for two reasons: fear and sloth.  They fear that
cherished leftist concepts and myths will be debunked via genuine debate.
Since most "liberals" lack self-discipline (an earthly extension of their
philosophy), sustained substantive debate is a pursuit they'd rather not
engage in, regardless of the stakes -- it's just too much work.  Dishonest,
distorted caricatures generated by Hollywood serve to shield the illiberal
"liberal" from the need to construct an intelligent argument based on
_factual_ data.

The illiberal "liberal" would like to pretend that "Nazis" deserve special
abuse.  We all know they're BAD, and we don't need to consider their
arguments or their humanity.

But never mind the fact that the illiberal "liberal" reviles the use of the
term "Commie" applied to a Marxist -- even though _Communists_, and not
"Nazis," are responsible for the greatest mass murders of history.  Don't
mind the fact the illiberal "liberal" would never even _think_ of using the
racial epithet "vicious niggers" to describe Black Africans who perform
clitorectomy on little girls and enslave their neighbors even today.  Never
mind that the illiberal "liberal" is incensed when the term "Jap" is used
to describe the originators of the Bataan Death March.

When I am asked, "are you a Nazi?," I will continue to say "no," and it
will be an earnest reply.

However, if I am asked, "are you a National Socialist?," the answer must
be, because I believe in the body of philosophy which endeavors to apply
all the immutable laws of the natural Order to human affairs and promotes a
truly progressive social order: "yes."

If asked, "are you a racist?," the answer must be, because I recognize  the
unique qualities, shortcomings, and needs of each human race, and
incorporate these realities into my world-view: "yes."

If asked, "do you admire Adolf Hitler?," the answer must be, because I
acknowledge the triumphs and struggles of the most notable figure of the
20th Century, the greatest German statesman, who, in the Rousseauian
tradition, represented the Will of his People, and directed the miraculous
transformation of a broken society into the most progressive and advanced
Nation of its time: "yes!"

That's Milton Kleim.  He said it;  not I.  He said it well, however.

Last time I published something Milton wrote, I left his name out, thinking
I was doing him a favor.

He chided me for that.  This time I let you know.

I also let you know that recently he quit the struggle for reasons that are
personal, which is a sad development.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Every virtuous man would rather meet an open foe than a pretended friend
who is a traitor at heart."

(H. F. Kletzing)



From zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org Fri Jun 28 18:22:23 PDT 1996
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In deference to Anonymous Huber's concerns about authenticity, I have not
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Is Ingrid "working on a full tank"? You be the judge:

June 27, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Almost a decade before I even knew that there existed these odd creatures
called "Revisionists," I went on a private safari to find my own morsel of
truth about a most important aspect of the "Holocaust."  This story has
already been recorded and safely stashed away but shall not be told at this
point-let me just say that part of this venture was that I had to go back
to the jungle where I grew up as a young teenager, and since I knew that it
was dangerous, I took a lifelong friend as body guard along who shall be
known as Peter.

Peter is one of the world's most experienced and daring test pilots with
more flying hours under his seat than probably most anyone on earth, but
when he said that we would rent a private plane and fly into the bush, I
still quaked in my heart.

It was a single engine plane, and to call that contraption "rickety" is
speaking euphemistically  And, by the way, symbolically:  The owner of that
plane, who took the pilot's seat, with Peter next to him, was quite a pious
and self-righteous fellow called Adolfo.  I swear I'm not making this up.

Still, I climbed in.  I sat in the back;  Adolfo and Peter were sitting up
front in animated conversation, and I barely dared peek out of the window
as we were gyrating and swaying over that vast jungle stretch below.  It
was a scary and yet a magnificent flight-the way I've always visualized a
psychedelic trip. . . not that I've ever tried it!

Having grown up up in that jungle below, I knew that if we went down with
our plane through accident or carelessnes, that was the end of us.  Even if
we managed to survive the landing, there was NO WAY to make it out of that
murderous bushland alive.  The jungle insects, worse than tigers, would
gnaw us to three skeletons in hours!

We had quite a wind, and as we were being tossed about up there amid the
clouds of South America and I was clutching at the seat before me, I saw
that Adolfo had a little sticker on the panel of that airplane, and that
sticker said:  "I fly with Jesus."

With what the Germans call "gallow's humor" I poked Peter on the shoulder
blade and said:  "Well, look at that.  We fly with Jesus."

And Peter turned around, gave me one of his Peter smiles, and said:  "We
fly with gasoline.  And our talk is full."

Goethe wrote a poem once that I can only translate poorly, but the essence
of it is that life's disasters come in buckets while happiness comes
dribbling in in drops-but would we trade two drops to offset those
thousands of buckets?

This moment was one of those drops.

I am telling you this story because there is a lesson there, and it is
this:  It is okay to have a lofty ideology to which we cling with faith,
but we have got to be more practical.  So many of us have a vision of what
we think should be the outcome of this incredibly exciting adventure in
search for the Absolute Truth, but below is that murderous jungle.  Just
teeming with millions of insects.  Just waiting for a feast.

If we go down, there is no way to make it out.  Our tank has to be full.

We are a hodge-podge group;  each of us has a vision;  some have more faith
than others.  Some of us KNOW, as this Adolfo did, with almost fanatical
certainty that there is Right, and there is Wrong, and that there is this
supernatural guidance that will steer us and help us land and build.

Still others, like myself, agnostic to the core, just hang on for dear life
while being tossed about, knowing that the search is necessary and
someone's GOT to do it or it will not get done-yet HOPING  that there is
enough still left of this fantastic fuel that made a generation soar above
the teeming jungle of our little planet.

And then there are the "Peters" of this movement who look at all of it
quite rationally and say:

"Let us make SURE the tank is full.  This is no baby quest."

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I
consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile."

(Kurt Vonnegut)



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Ingrid cites as a reference The Spotlight, whose Official Distributer [sic]
has a Very Interesting Map at http://nethomes.com/Miracle/Spotlight/map.html
Do check it out!

And now, the daily Zundelgram:

June 28, 1998

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

As Eric Blair, one of the Zundelsite columnists, recently put it, the
important news is to be found buried somewhere inside the back pages of the
daily newspaper.

Sometimes this is done unintentionally: the paper's editor having failed to
realize the importance of a news item. Sometimes, this happens
deliberately: the editor, having realized just how truly significant the
unwelcome item is, reacts by downplaying it and/or by burying it somewhere
in the middle of a mass of news items.

Of course, this sometimes happens because an item may send up a red-hot
flare that signals a piece of unpalatable Politically Incorrect news.

Below are some such items:

>From  France, for example, we received the following, with a request to
disseminate as widely as possible.  Those who have studied the political
landscape and the ever more panicky reaction of the Holocaust Hucksters
will appreciate just what this might mean.

Under the heading "The Paris Catholic Archbishop forbids attacks against
Israeli policies," we read:

". . . After many weeks of silence, cardinal Lustiger, Roman Catholic
Archbishop of Paris, launched an violent attack against the most revered
priest of France, the abbe Pierre who gave his support to the revisionist
book of Roger Garaudy, "The Foundings Myths of Israeli Politics."

Reviled by an almost unanimous condemnation by the press of his position
but strengthened by a recent poll showing he had lost only 2% of the
favorable views expressed by the French public opinion, the abbe Pierre
delivered a heavy blast, blaming the fictitious unanimity of the press on
the "Zionist lobby".

During the controversy, since March, the French Roman Catholic Church
handed out only one rather low-key statement, rejecting the revisionist
view and providing the Church's own view that one cannot go against "the
most solid conclusions of the international scientific community", a rather
unexpected source of knowledge for this Church.

The Paris Archbishop, born Jewish, converted to Christianity when he was
still a teenager. An intellectual priest, his career has been very quick.
In books and interviews, he maintains that he is at the same time a Jew and
a Christian, although this seems difficult to understand to his more
simple-minded parishioners. The intellectual establishment and the press
love it.

To express his "blame" to the abbe Pierre, although he has no authority
over a monk like the abbe, he choose "Tribune juive", a minor Jewish
weekly. "What is at stake, he said, is an attack against Israeli policies
and, on par with it, against Zionism and the Jews in general."

Usually in order to shield Israel from criticism, it was said by its
supporters that a critique of Zionism was a veiled attack against Jews. But
the ordinary use of criticism against Israeli policies was authorized as a
proof that the use of criticism was still allowed.

Archbishop Lustiger, who recently introduced a seemingly Jewish rite into a
Catholic celebration for the seven monks assassinated in Algeria, now
forbids any criticism of Israeli policies or, more probably restricts its
use to authorized circles.

It was a strange situation, without a precedent, to see a self-proclaimed
Jew as one of the leading personalities of a Roman Catholic Church. But now
the same person acts as an Israeli spokesman. This situation is unheard of.
 . "

(The complete  article, of 21 June 1996, with commentaries, both
in French, are available from  on request at
tempus@club-internet.fr)

Next, we have one hundred German academics and publishers making an
official appeal to end the persecution of Holocaust debaters:

". . . 100 prominent Germans have made a public appeal for an end to the
persecution and imprisonment of those who question the official version of
the Holocaust. An advertisement in the Frankfurter Zeitung by professors,
authors, publishers, and others, has called for members of the public to
sign a petition demanding that the Government respect the provisions of
Article 19 of the United Nations Charter of Human Rights, which guarantees
freedom of expression.

The appeal was in coded language to avoid prosecution, and merely referred
to 'certain questions of contemporary history' which are controversial. It
also noted that Prime Minister Major had refused to criminalise Holocaust
debate in Britain. . . "

Then there is the story of a high school in Hamilton, Canada, that had
spent nearly nine months preparing for a day-long conference intended to
convince its students of the virtues of multiculturalism and, conversely,
the evils of racism.

However, when the big day arrived, some 500 of its 1,000 students - the
majority, apparently, with parental approval - decided to give the special
event a miss.

Here's how it was (in part) reported by a major Canadian daily, The Calgary
Herald:

". . . Half the students at Sir Allan MacNab high school played hookey
Thursday, skipping a day-long multicultural and anti-racism conference in
the works since September.  Principal Trish Fulton said students - and
their parents - will have to account for the terrible showing.

"'They (parents) are condoning young people not coming,'" she said
Thursday.  "'It seems there's a backlash against racial equity'" [sic]. . .
"

The Spotlight reports that despite the fact that populist Pat Buchanan will
not receive the GOP nomination,

". . . T-shirts and bumper sticker businesses say Buchanan campaign
materials outsells Dole paraphernalia by a margin of 5 to 1."

Remember that Buchanan, although carefully distancing himself from anything
even remotely smacking of Revisionism-and who can blame the man, what with
the media crocodiles surrounding every word!-is probably the most prominent
name on the world scene who has openly expressed doubts about important
facets of the Holocaust.

And, finally, there is the story of the Canadian Holocaust Stamp that
simply doesn't sell.  I have now lost the specific item within the galaxies
of my Zundelsite gigabyte disk, but as I remember it, only one-third of the
stamps printed have actually been sold.  A terrible, terrible showing!

People ARE getting fed up.

Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

"Intellect annuls fate.  So far as a man thinks, he is free."

(Ralph Waldo Emerson)



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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Part of the subtle joy to offset all those bad and sometimes scary times of
sitting at the control panels of this entity called "Zundelsite" is getting
to catch all these sparks of insights regarding the true nature of
Holocaust Hucksterism in its various forms from around the world.  They let
you know that intelligent people out there are watching and weighing and
"cutting through the mustard" of what is going on.

This whole thing about "kiddie porn" being the great bogey man that MUST be
snuffed right in the bud must be getting to be quite an embarrassment even
for the opposition.  I mean, for crying out loud, just how transparent can
you get?

At any rate, this came once more from South Africa where people write
tongue-in-cheek letters to the editors while they still can and sending me
their copies.  Here are two samples-one to me, and one to the Sunday
Independent:

"Dear Ingrid:

That was great news from the UK: the English will not kowtow to demands for
an Auschwitz-Luege type law. The stand taken by Brittan, Howard et al is
quite courageous.

In the "Zundelsite" letter of 23.5.96 I liked Zuendel's remark that there
was no "Politburo" among Revisionists to decree what and what not can be
said. Quite right!

In response to your May 25 letter, let me say that I think it does our
cause an awful lot of good to EMPHASIZE that revisionism is NOT about how
to "whitewash" Hitler. It cannot have this as an AIM, and ideally there
should be no political agenda at all (very difficult, I know), while where
political bias has existed among Revisionists, let us recall that IT HAS
ALSO OCCURRED ON THE LEFT.

Why should we hesitate to point out that Paul Rassinier, the father of
Revisionism, was left-wing, as was (and still is as far as I know) P.
Guillaume, founder of "La Vieille Taupe" and publisher of Faurisson, Serge
Thion and numerous other pioneering revisionists?

Regarding the Internet, there are determined people who want to have
legislation to control it. In response to an article in yesterday's SUNDAY
INDEPENDENT I wrote the following letter. Let us see if it gets published!"

Here is the second letter:

The Editor
THE SUNDAY INDEPENDENT
FAX 011 834 7520.

2.6.1996

Dear Sir,

"The debate on censoring the Internet" in today's Sunday Independent (June
2) makes the observation that the Internet's censorship "seems inevitable",
"the question is how", while by means of the Platform for Internet Content
Selection (PICS) parents could "protect their children from Holocaust
revisionism".

Since the only other thing that seems to need blocking is the lowest form
of smut, one must assume that the former is at least as bad as the latter.
Nevertheless, since the arguments of holocaust revisionism can be highly
intricate and technical, I doubt whether any "child" would have the
intellectual maturity to digest even what is being stated.

Far better would be to "protect" adults, especially if they are
intelligent, since they are capable of following the line of thought and so
more liable to be taken in by this "pseudo-history", as it has been called.

Furthermore, since PICS could be periodically updated as "a tool that some
governments are sure to use to suppress information", there would be no
need to depend on "self-censorship", which is not very reliable anyway.

In any case, I fail to see how "the advantage of the PICS system is that it
does not limit what people write on the Internet, only what they read" and
that "free speech is protected at the cost of self- censorship".

Does the article not make it clear that "software [...] would screen
material by criteria set by [...] a government"?

Do I need a "system" to turn the TV off if I don't wish to watch a program?
Is it free speech if I am allowed whatever I like, seal it in a bottle and
cast it adrift?"

Have yourself a sunny California weekend - with a loved one if you can!

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Nothing makes you more tolerant of a neighbor's noisy party than being there."

(Franklin P. Jones)




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