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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: Hillary admits 'channelling' Ghandi, Eleanor Roosevelt
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In

"D. Braun"  writes: 
>
>Charles: This thread is getting stale--- as a small room with a
knocked
>over bottle of Charlie! in it. I'll leave it to the readers to mull
over
>this LAST installment of our little flame fest.  I'm outa here.
>
>		Dave Braun

  Better a knocked-over bottle of Charlie! than a reeking jar of
three-month old chopped liver, though! ;-)
  Yeah, you keep saying that "you're outta here" . . . and then come
back for more.
  
  

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 10:33:50 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: Saturn quality is a gimmick
Date: 30 Jun 1996 23:27:56 GMT
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In  ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Chris Mauritz)
writes: 
>
>Kenneth Willis (kwwillis@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: Keith:
>: 
>: I also never heard of a Japanese car maker offering to reduce our
trade 
>: deficit, make it possible for you to get social security, help
Americans 
>: maintain their jobs or frankly, do anything other than help Japan. 
I do 
>: not need to bash Japan, but in fact they don't make the worlds best
cars 
>: and they don't give a damn if you loose your job!

>To be honest, I don't care about these issues. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Don't worry, you're not alone! You'll have a chance to meet others
with the same attitude in the future when you'r required to attend
those Japanese-language and bowing-protocol classes your employer
mandates.  
  Let's do lunch in Bataan!
  BANSAI!

 Whoever makes the best
>cars, ought to get the sales.  If American cars can't compete, they
>shouldn't be selling them.  However, it is clear from the various
>customer surveys that Saturn makes a product of high quality.  And
>show me another company that gives you 30 days to return the car
>(for any reason) within 30 days.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>-- 
>Christopher Mauritz         | For info on internet access:
>ritz@mordor.com             | finger/mail info@ritz.mordor.com OR
>Mordor International        | http://www.mordor.com/
>201/212/718 internet access | Modem: (201)433-7343,(212)843-3451

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 10:33:52 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: Saturn quality is a gimmick
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In <4r7ck3$ear@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> c23st@eng.delcoelect.com
(Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes: 
>
>Charles (joebuck@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: >: not need to bash Japan, but in fact they don't make the worlds
best
>: cars 
>: >: and they don't give a damn if you loose your job!
>: 
>: >To be honest, I don't care about these issues. 
>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>:   Don't worry, you're not alone! You'll have a chance to meet others
>: with the same attitude in the future when you'r required to attend
>: those Japanese-language and bowing-protocol classes your employer
>: mandates.  
>:   Let's do lunch in Bataan!
>:   BANSAI!
>
>And for those of us who believe in Black Helicopters and the such, the
>Subaru Isuzu Automotive plant in Lafayette, Indiana, is located right
>off State Road 37, also known as Bataan Memorial Highway...

  Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Are you serious?
  Spiro, got any ouzo left? If that's true I'll need a drop, if ya
don't mind. I just ran outta some good Italian wine. ;-)

>Spiros
>-- 
>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos        Kokomo, IN 46902  (317) 451-0815
(8-322)
>Corporate Software Technology    Email:  c23st@eng.delcoelect.com
>Delco Electronics Corporation    URL:   
http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 10:33:53 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: ISP's doing detailed unannounced reviews of subscriber's files/need recommendation on ISP [forwarded]
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  Forwarded msg follows:

In <4r6u8v$ffe@news.con2.com> inna@con2.com (Inna Bochkova Liang)
writes: 
>
>Hello people!
>
>I was just told by my Internet Service Provider that they did a review

>of my account and found a file that was not permitted on my account.  
>This file was accessible from the Web but *NOT* attached to my 
>personal Web page.  (It was a tasteful artistic nude of myself which I

>have since censored, but no more explicit than those in 
>bookstore-bought coffee-table art books.)
>
>Since it was not attached to my home page, the only way I imagine it 
>would have turned up in a review of my account is if my ISP was doing 
>an inspection of each file in my account with a jpeg viewer.  If this 
>is what happened, this procedure would seem to be an intrusion on my 
>privacy and not ethical and possibly not legal.
>
>Can people comment on this?  I would especially like to hear something

>more grounded than just an opinion!
>
>Thanks!
>
>Inna Bochkova Liang
>
>P.S.  I am now looking for an Internet Service Provider in the (718)
or 
>(212) area codes (NYC) with both less restrictive policies and also 
>more respect for subscriber's files.  Please send email with 
>recommendations.
>
>email: inna@con2.com
>Web page: http://www.con2.com/~inna/
>Internet Service Provider: Connect 2, Staten Island, NY
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 10:33:54 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: Hillary admits 'channelling' Ghandi, Eleanor Roosevelt
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In <4qr4ok$pv4@masala.cc.uh.edu> JSalzberg@uh.edu (Jeffrey E. Salzberg)
writes: 
>
>In article <4qng02$baq@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
dboell@ix.netcom.com(Donald P Boell) wrote:
>
>>The story is in the Washington Post.  It is also coming out in a book
>>by the Post's Woodward.  Try reading it.  
>
>.and the story makes no mention of "channeling".  It says she had
imaginary 
>conversations.
>
>Please tell us you know the difference.
>
  Are you just "playing" dumb, or are you really THAT naive?
  Geez, if Hillary actually did her "channelling" of Eleanor Roosevelt,
Ghandi, Gaia, the Imbominable Snowman or whatever/whoever the heck else
with a Sony remote control in her hand, the script of Joy Mangano's
"Roly-Poly" commercial in her purse and a copy of infomercial king
Anthony's Robbin's book in her pocket Clinton apologists like you would
likely STILL be in denial that it actually constituted "channelling."
:-0

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 10:54:07 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: Lack of Filegate hearings coverage a disgrace
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  Anyone else remember the early-1970s, when the Senate Watergate
Hearings literally were aired live for weeks by all three networks,
plus PBS?
  What a contrast to the Senate Filegate Hearings -- potentially an
even more serious matter -- when only Jane Fonda's husband's network
was providing coverage. And even that was frequently interrupted by
commercials, etc.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  1 13:44:22 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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  Anyone else remember the early-1970s, when the Senate Watergate
Hearings literally were aired live for weeks by all three networks,
plus PBS?
  What a contrast to the Senate Filegate Hearings -- potentially an
even more serious matter -- when only Jane Fonda's husband's network
was providing coverage. And even that was frequently interrupted by
commercials, etc.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: Saturn quality is a gimmick
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In <4r7qhh$c4e@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> Kenneth Willis
 writes: 
>
>Right now I own a Lincoln Mark VII which has over 105,000 miles on it.
 
>The engine is an Iron Horse with as much pick up and power as the day
I 
>bought it.  The air suspension system still works like a dream, the 
>transmission is as tight as ever.  The interior of the car is leather
and 
>after five years it doesn't even show a crack.  The car doesn't creek
or 
>make any kind of noise - it is tight!  My Mark is good enough now to 
>drive coast to coast without a second thought.  The only thing I have 
>ever had to replace on the car is tires, break pads and fuel filters.
I 
>haven't seen a Japanese made product with as much mileage or age that
can 
>do any better.
>
>What I drive and use is all the proof I need to know that Japanese 
>isn't the best deal.  If U.S. isn't best, it sure as hell is just as 
>good!

  I've always wondered why "Consumer Reports" gave such glowing reviews
of Japanese cars. 
  IMO, one must ask, "WHO ARE the people who do the test drives? Who
write the reviews? Might they have a "hidden agenda"? 
  For example, from my own reading of CR through the years, they've
traditionally been very negative towards Volkswagen products. The
brutal pan they gave VW's "Eurovan" when it hit the market even
surprised me, who have come to expect less-than-favorable reviews of VW
products from the magazine. As it is, I think the "Eurovan" was pulled
off the market by VW almost as soon as it hit the market; whether that
CR pan was a big reason for this, who knows?
  (Anecdote: years ago I read the CR review of the 1980's-era VW
Vanagon [essentially the first true "minivan," if one doesn't include
the VW Bus] and recall that it claimed the a/c was pretty
poor-performing.
  (Wouldn't ya know it: a few years later I was a passenger in a VW
Vanagon from the same era reviewed in CR and the a/c was EXCELLENT! I
mentoned CR's negative comments and the owner/driver, shall I say, was
"less than impressed" with CR's competence in judging automotive
quality.)
  CR's criteria were always rather questionable *if* they didn't take
into account the VASTLY-increased physical dangers involved in merely
getting behind the wheel of a small car (even today, the Japanese cars
largely fall into Consumer Union's "compact" and "small" categories.)
  The sheetmetal of Japanese cars: since the 1970s, has it been of
greater, lesser or equal gauge than that of American cars? 
  One thing American cars have going for them, IMO, is increased
safety. It wasn't the Japanese cars that broke any ground in automotive
safety, that's for sure. Air bags, side-impact reinforcement, etc. --
all introduced by the Americans or the Europeans.
  
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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In <4r7uui$ncr@epimetheus.algonet.se> malecki@algonet.se (Robert
Malecki) writes: 
>
>joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote:
>
>>  For Americans to buy many thousands of $20,000-$50,000 cars
>>manufactured by Japanese companies is the height of ludicrousness.
>Protectionism means war!
>
  Well, since Japan is the country which INITIATED the protectionism,
perhaps the US ought finally to consider *who* mustbear the war guilt:
it, the victimized US, or Japan, the epitome of the protectionist
nation.

>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara,Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my
>Cristalball. 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Tue Jul  2 08:22:51 PDT 1996
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In 
condron.3@pop.service.ohio-state.edu (colleen condron) writes: 
>
>In article <4r7nek$240@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>
joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) writes:
>
>>In <4r7ck3$ear@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> c23st@eng.delcoelect.com
>>(Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes: 
>>>
>>>Charles (joebuck@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>>: >: not need to bash Japan, but in fact they don't make the worlds
>>best
>>>: cars 
>>>: >: and they don't give a damn if you loose your job!
>>>: 
>>>: >To be honest, I don't care about these issues. 
>>>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>:   Don't worry, you're not alone! You'll have a chance to meet
others
>>>: with the same attitude in the future when you'r required to attend
>>>: those Japanese-language and bowing-protocol classes your employer
>>>: mandates.  
>>>:   Let's do lunch in Bataan!
>>>:   BANSAI!
>>>
>>>And for those of us who believe in Black Helicopters and the such,
the
>>>Subaru Isuzu Automotive plant in Lafayette, Indiana, is located
right
>>>off State Road 37, also known as Bataan Memorial Highway...
>
>>  Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Are you serious?
>>  Spiro, got any ouzo left? If that's true I'll need a drop, if ya
>>don't mind. I just ran outta some good Italian wine. ;-)
>
>He is, he is...having recently moved from Lafayette, I recall hearing
stories
>about the lovely open minded people there writing letters to the
editor about 
>the plant, complaining about "The Japs" (their words, NOT mine) and
how we 
>shouldn't build their cars in our country.  Hmmm...just who is working

>there...certainly not a bunch of Japanese people...how about a bunch
of people 
>from Lafayette and surrounding communities?  Then the cars are sold at

>American dealerships, serviced by American service people, and gas is 
>purchased at American gas stations.  Not to mention the huge auto
excise taxes 
>on new cars in the state of Indiana.  I never understand that "buy
American" 
>argument...the cars are sold, serviced and driven in the US...this
supports 
>the US economy......
>
  Very shortsighted. Just as the Japanese like it -- all the while as
THEY literally write business plans based on where they want their
companies to be market-wise 100 years from now.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
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        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Still Expendable - Clinton's lack of caring for US troops [forwarded]
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Forwarded msg follows:

In <4rabah$d74@news2.cais.com> jzychik@pacificnet.net (Joe Zychik)
writes: 
>
>(Los Angeles Times July 1st, Pg. A 1) American GI's are 
>characteristically considered expendable by the 
>Bill-gosh-I-wish-I-could-get-out-to-the-front-lines-more-often-Cl
>inton. His first reaction to the bombing of a GI living quarters 
>in Saudi Arabia was "we take care of our own." Meaning: He's more 
>interested in sending a message to anyone under indictment: 
>"Don't worry we'll take care of you." The next day he wised up 
>and promised retaliation. Typical Clinton move.
>
>Over the weekend, Secretary of Surrender Perry confirmed that the 
>US had requested to move the traffic barricade from 80 feet in 
>front of the housing complex to 400. The Saudis turned down our 
>request. How nice of them! When Perry was asked about this by Sam 
>Donaldson, Perry showed his true colors. His first response was 
>to not answer the question. Instead he explained that: "The 
>Saudis agreed to most of the other requests we made." Donaldson 
>would not let him off the hook, and finally Perry acknowledged 
>that the request had been turned down.
>
>So much for Perry & Clinton.
>
>When four Saudis were beheaded for "a bombing attack that killed 
>7 people in November" our request to speak with the suspects was 
>denied. Says one senior official, "'Their [the suspects'] 
>confessions all sounded alike. .. people say 'We got the right 
>men' but we're not really sure about that.'"
>
>(New York Times July 1st, Pg. A 7) Col. Gary Boyle of the US Air 
>Force says, "'Anyone who's lived in the compound for more than 2 
>weeks knows that the perimeter is vulnerable, and it bothered us 
>all.'" It certainly didn't bother Clinton & Perry. Gee, I wonder 
>where they live. Says Boyle, "'we wanted to do something about 
>it.'" Which is more than we can say about the two professional 
>politicians who were responsible for their lives. And lets not 
>leave out Gen. Shall-I-kiss-your-feet-Hillary? On CNN,  he said 
>that after the bombing in Lebanon, the military had done 
>everything one could reasonably expect to protect the troops. 
>However, he had no comment when confronted with the following 
>facts: The bomb that exploded at the Murrah building was 4,000 
>pounds. The one in Saudi Arabia was 5,000 pounds.
>
>When these facts were presented it was not known that our request 
>to expand the perimeter had been turned down. But, we can bet 
>that Shalikashvili knew it. Of course, he didn't mention it that 
>day on CNN. This is typical of Clinton appointees.
>
>About 2 weeks before the bombing, a Saudi woman noticed a truck 
>"in a suspicious location at the edge of the compound." It is now 
>believed that the truck she noticed could have been the one used 
>in the bombing. She took down the truck's license plate number 
>and reported it to the Saudi police. They never passed the info 
>on to US authorities in Saudi Arabia.
>
>"As many as 90 reports of >suspicious activity' including 
>lingering cars and attempts to enter the compound without 
>authorization have been tabulated on a single day." In other 
>words, US fighting men and women were sitting ducks.
>
>(Wall St. Journal July 1st, Pg. A 8) The US has "an average of 
>20,000 American troops" in the Persian Gulf Region. They are 
>*all* vulnerable. It appears that those responsible for the 
>bombing were "Saudi radical Islamists who oppose the current 
>regime and consider the US military presence in Arabia as 
>illegal."
>
>The entire area is on the verge of a militant uprising. Except 
>for Israel, the Mid East consists of unelected tyrannies. 
>Recently "the Iranians have purchased 10 fast attack patrol boats 
>from China and equipped them with Chinese supplied C802 
>sea-skimming cruise missiles." They purchased the boats and the 
>missiles because they want to open a tourist line.
>
>US Air Force has been flying "1,500 missions a month over 
>southern Iraq since 1992."
>
>Clinton says that our interests are too crucial to leave the 
>area. However he has no plan, no mission, and no concern for the 
>safety of US troops. In the meantime, we could pull out tomorrow. 
>"In theory the US could reduce its presence in the region if 
>allies built up their own armed forces." So why don't they build 
>up their own forces? "The six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council 
>[discussed a plan] to quadruple its Peninsula Shield force to 
>100,000, but the effort broke down amid bickering over would who 
>pay for and control a larger force." Why should they bother 
>paying? As long as we're there to pick up the bills and shed the 
>blood?
>
>Get the troops out now!
>
>Table of contents for this week's Zychik Chronicle:
>*Supreme Court Holds Pubic Hair Party:  We lose more rights
>*Media ignores big Texas Story:  This story's bigger than 
>abortion
>*Why Dole is in Trouble:  The Republican agenda
>*Meet the new Republicans:  Reason magazine goes for the buck$
>*Sing the song of collapse:  California gold rush on the horizon
>*Hillary reveals that Paula Jones is secretly a male:  Elvis 
>tells all.
>*Corporate America Racism:  Don't trust them.
>*Let's create more starvation and unemployment:  Socialism's feel 
>good consequences.
>*Step 1: urban rot. Step 2: capitalism:  Life in Washington, DC
>*INS agents love the war on drugs:  Corruption at the INS
>*Just close your eyes and pass a law:  Keeping illegals out of 
>school won't work.
>*Calling all woman-haters and crime-lovers:  Gun Control is a 
>crime.
>*Still Expendable: Get US troops out of the Persian Gulf, now!
>*Exceptional Person:  He did it on his own.
>
>This week's Chronicle is available in easy to read
>format at http://www.pacificnet.net/~jzychik
>--
>To have the Zychik Chronicle sent to you
>free, contact: jzychik@pacificnet.net
>---
>alternate site: http://www.iquest.net/~rjtavel

-- 
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"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Tue Jul  2 09:51:32 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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In <31d6ade4.1357416@nntp.ix.netcom.com> rhanson@ix.netcom.com(Hanson)
writes: 
>
>Not too long ago, I was assailed by Kurt Warner to supply a list of
>new books on the resurgence of liberalism in America.  One that I
>found I found yesterday are particularly interesting .
>
>"Up From Conservatism" is by ex-conservative and former William F.
>Buckley Jr. protege, Michael Lind. 

  Much better to read the excellent, insightful writings of some OTHER
Buckley acquaintances who "saw the light" and became . . . ex-Leftists.
Such as: James Burnham and Whittaker Chambers.
  Their books make great Summer, Winter, Spring or Fall reading and,
I'm quite confident, will always be read by more thoughtful readers
than any of Mr. Lind's works ever will be. :-)
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Tue Jul  2 10:04:39 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: ISP's doing detailed unannounced reviews of subscriber's files/need recommendation on ISP
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  My advice: if it turns out they did perform such illegal espionage,
sue the heck outta them.

In <4r6u8v$ffe@news.con2.com> inna@con2.com (Inna Bochkova Liang)
writes: 
>
>Hello people!
>
>I was just told by my Internet Service Provider that they did a review

>of my account and found a file that was not permitted on my account.  
>This file was accessible from the Web but *NOT* attached to my 
>personal Web page.  (It was a tasteful artistic nude of myself which I

>have since censored, but no more explicit than those in 
>bookstore-bought coffee-table art books.)
>
>Since it was not attached to my home page, the only way I imagine it 
>would have turned up in a review of my account is if my ISP was doing 
>an inspection of each file in my account with a jpeg viewer.  If this 
>is what happened, this procedure would seem to be an intrusion on my 
>privacy and not ethical and possibly not legal.
>
>Can people comment on this?  I would especially like to hear something

>more grounded than just an opinion!
>
>Thanks!
>
>Inna Bochkova Liang
>
>P.S.  I am now looking for an Internet Service Provider in the (718)
or 
>(212) area codes (NYC) with both less restrictive policies and also 
>more respect for subscriber's files.  Please send email with 
>recommendations.
>
>email: inna@con2.com
>Web page: http://www.con2.com/~inna/
>Internet Service Provider: Connect 2, Staten Island, NY
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In  jakala@netcom.com (henry jakala)
writes: 
>
>
>
>   Gary Aldrich - a 30 yr FBI veteran - reports in his
>   new book "Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White
House"
>   the he observed two of Klinton's aides packing fudge late one
>   night
>
>   apparently our Philanderer in Chief just doesn't keep his aides
busy
>   enough doing real work 
>
>
>   i sure hope Elders made sure they practice safe fudge-packing !!!
>
>   i wonder if stephie was the packer or packee ?!?!?
>
>   bwahahahahaha
>
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>                                                         
jakala@netcom.com
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>"Clinton's an unusually good liar.  Unusually good.  Do you realize
that ?"
>
>      Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb), Esquire, January 1996
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
>
>      George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live" - 2/16/96
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>Hillary commenting on the release of subpeonaed documents
>
>   "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers.
>    We are the president."
>
>       James B. Stewart - Blood Sport:The President and His
Adversaries
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4r8upo$ffe@lal.interserv.net> Colleen 
writes: 
>
>JUST BECAUSE WE'RE PARANOID DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T OUT TO GET US.
>
>This two party system is beoming a curse. I can not in good conscience
vote Republican (I'd need to take a shower for a week), but 
>Clinton isn't presidential timber. He's presidential balsa.  What we
need is a candidate who can win on MERIT not MONEY.  But 
>that person is probably as far fromthe political arena as he/she can
be.  Any suggestions?
>
  I'll tellya, I'd take elderly Milton Friedman and wife Rose as Prez
and VP ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over the two possible felons now in office.
(Oh, Al Gore's the VP? Sorry, forgot!)
  Seriously, the country desperately needs good character in the White
House. The Friedmans. Thomas Sowell. Judges Thomas or Scalia. Walter
Williams. Dick Armey. Repub or Demo, it don't really matter to me --
their stands on the issues DOES.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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  Let me add that, though I did earlier openly wonder if the
editors/writers of Consumer Reports didn't have a "hidden agenda," I
personally would ALWAYS prefer to read what Consumer Reports has to say
about cars than what industry mouthpiece magazines (there are many of
these, of course) say. Equally, I give more credence to CR than to its
competitor Consumer Digest -- because the latter DOES accept
advertising.
  Yes, I really do trust CR's info and reviews more. One of the most
valuable services CR performs for its readers is scoring scores of
models annually based on the feedback it receives from readers who've
actually bought and driven the cars.
  However, while I prefer and trust CR more than other auto or
consumer-related mags, I don't see this as meaning I should look at
that specific publication as uncorruptible. 
  In my earlier post, I was essentially alluding to the possibility
that CR had ever "sold out" to companies whose products it reviewed.
  
  



-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul  3 11:10:40 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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In <31D8C3EB.6EB4@fia.net> walker  writes: 
>
>The National Standard (magazine published by Quayle's former Chief of 
>Staff Bill Krystal) has reported this week that Livingstone worked as
a 
>"volunteer" in the Bush Quayle campaign last time around.
>
>Are there any brain dead Demokratic stools out there who still believe

>this was just an innocent snafu?

  Now THAT'S extremely interesting, to say the least.
  If true, was Livingstone working to undermine the Bush/Quayle
campaign to make a Clinton victory more likely?
  Could this Livingstone -- a VERY shady character, it would appear --
have been invoolved in "dirty tricks" against the Democrats' political
opponents?
  (PS: I didn't vote for Bush, btw.)
-- 
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"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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In <4r68rc$pdj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> sawstephen@aol.com (SAWStephen)
writes: 
>
>What explains the intensity of hatred for the Clintons, it's
peculiarly
>'personal' quality and disproportional intensity.  How can we explain
* a
>part* of the anger about Gurugate, at Jean Houston, and the hostility
and
>fear directed at Hillary Clinton for talking to her.

[deletia]

  Frankly, your pitiful plaintive plea for enlightenment is
illustrative of EXACTLY one of the reasons why some people have such a
visceral dislike of the Clintons: accustomed to having never/rarely
been questioned -- i.e. put on the "hot seat," to use the colloquial --
the Clintons must now feel like displaced feudal lords, both enraged
and perplexed at their situations. 
  It's the same old case of the "uncouth bourgeosie" (the people who
Rush Limbaugh, for example, represents) putting the feet of the
once-unquestioned lords to the fire. What an outrage! At least, that's
what the lords (in the present case, the Clintons and their apologists)
say.
  Indeed, they're so enraged and perplexed that, in their desperation,
they feel a need to turn to Jungian or neo-Freudian "analysis" . . . or
even to New Age spiritual gurus such as Ms. Houston (author: "Varieties
of Psychedelic Experience"), she of the LSD-use-advocating segment of
American society.
  The Beltway ain't Kansas, Dorothy -- or Little Rock, for that matter
-- places where those whom African-American economist, sociologist and
historian Thomas Sowell dubs "The Annointed" (e.g. Bill and Hillary)
were accustomed to a much freeher reign. Why, a certified "Annointed"
in Little Rock could even drop his pants in front of a virtual stranger
(i.e. Miss Paula Jones) and request sexual favors or, at the minimum, a
discussion of whatever popped up, back in the good old days.
  Really, you ought to be a bit embarrassed to have been so utterly
overt about your own inability (as a Clinton supporter?) to take the
heat. But remember, Nixon died for your sins.
   
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In  jakala@netcom.com (henry jakala)
writes: 
>
>
>
>   Gary Aldrich - a 30 yr FBI veteran - reports in his
>   new book "Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White
House"
>   the he observed two of Klinton's aides packing fudge late one
>   night
>
>   apparently our Philanderer in Chief just doesn't keep his aides
busy
>   enough doing real work 
>
>
>   i sure hope Elders made sure they practice safe fudge-packing !!!
>
>   i wonder if stephie was the packer or packee ?!?!?
>
>   bwahahahahaha
>
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>                                                         
jakala@netcom.com
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>"Clinton's an unusually good liar.  Unusually good.  Do you realize
that ?"
>
>      Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb), Esquire, January 1996
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
>
>      George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live" - 2/16/96
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>Hillary commenting on the release of subpeonaed documents
>
>   "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers.
>    We are the president."
>
>       James B. Stewart - Blood Sport:The President and His
Adversaries
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <31D9F008.6058@alaska.net> Henry Ayre  writes: 

[deletia]

>AND THEN THE NAME...
>
>What regular patriotic militia is going to call itself the "Viper 
>Militia?" Answer: none. Same deal as the "Sons of Goebels." Pure smoke
>and mirrors. Sheesh, the CIA is really losing it lately.  H. Ayre.

  ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
  It would seem that most of the people drawn to genuine militia
involvement are highly motivated by the "God and Country" concept. Note
the place of "God" before that of "Country." 
  It's highly unlikely that ANY bona fide militia would use the term
"viper" -- synonomous with "evil" in the Bible -- as a
self-identification.
  But this is what happens when the Company hires agents-provocateur
who come straight from academia and have no real-world experience.
  I hope they continue to hire such dumb people when it comes to
infiltrating/imitating genuine patriotic American groups. 
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Thu Jul  4 12:09:42 PDT 1996
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In  Alex Constantine
 writes: 

[deletia]
>
>        Dozens of technologies are being studied or developed
>under the elastic rubric of "non-lethal weapons."
>
[deletia]

>        Infrasound:  Very low-frequency sound generators could
>be tuned to incapacitate humans, causing disorientation,
>nausea, vomiting, or bowel spasms.

  Heavy metal/acid rock. Also: Clinton on sax.

>        Laser weapons:  Low-energy laser rifles could dazzle or
>temporarily blind enemy soldiers, or disable optical and
>infrared systems used for target acquisition, tracking,
>night vision, and range finding. [deletia]

  Conservative-Republican logic.

>        Supercaustics:  These highly acidic chemical agents can
>be millions of times more caustic than hydrofluoric acid.
>They could destroy the optics of heavily armored vehicles,
>as well as tires and structural metals.

  Joe Buck's biting sarcasm. Also: Newt's personality. Liberals need to
exercise special caution around these agents.

>        Biological agents:  Microbial cultures can be "designed"
>to chew up almost anything. [deletia]

  Craig Livingstone.

>        Acoustic beam weapons:  High frequency acoustic
>"bullets" used against people would induce blunt-object
>trauma "like being hit by a baseball." [deletia]

  Like what they used on Vince Foster, only different.

>        Combustion inhibitors:  Chemical agents can be released
>into the atmosphere or introduced directly into fuel tanks
>to contaminate fuel or change its viscosity to degrade or
>disable all mechanical devices powered by combustion.
>
  I.e. the stench of liberal hypocrisy.

>        Mini-nukes:  Jumping onto the non-lethal bandwagon, the
>redoubtable Edward Teller has proposed developing mini
>nuclear weapons with explosive yields of 100 tons [deletia]

  AKA Pat Buchanan.


-- 
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"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In

Kimberley Ahlf  writes: 
>
>
>
>On 29 Jun 1996, Richard J. Green wrote:
>
>> In article <4r35el$dde@juliana.sprynet.com>,  
wrote:
>>
>> >Americans also kill innocent people in the course of their wars.
>> >Don't be naive.
>>
>> Name one person who has claimed otherwise.  What's your point?
>>
>>
>
>
>Not to disagree with your point, but as European Americans we should
maybe
>consider that the only thing standing between our nation's good name
and a
>stain the size of Germany's is the fact that the Native Americans were
>a smaller populace than European Jews and our technology less advanced
>than Nazi Germany.
>
>I know that may be a stretch but the cultural animus was certainly
there.
>If you cringe at the excerpts from Nazi-era childrens' books which
>cheerfully instruct about the 'dirty Jews,' try watching a Disney
movie
>like "Peter Pan:"  The lost boys march on singing "...we're going to
fight
>the injuns, the injuns, the injuns, wherever we may roam."
>	(Got that from my son's 'Sing-Along' video.)
>

  That's true. In addition, I find it outrageous that some tv shows
still run programs containing disgusting stereotypes of Latin Americans
and Third World peoples in general.
  Undoubtedly, such a statement from me will come as quite a surprise
to those who've too-easily employed the facile "racist" or
"anti-semite" smear against me in the past.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4rgv3n$a2e@server2.ols.net> Mike Lamb  writes: 

[deletia]

>> Highlights:
>> '75 Chevy Monte Carlo with 180,000 miles (original everything except
the water pump)-Made in USA 
>> '78 Toy Celica, 200k miles (original except for tires)- drives like
a dream! Made in Japan
>======================================================================

  Interesting: I just read a post under the "Saturn quality is a
gimmick" subject line in another ng that ALSO mentioned the older
Toyota Celica in very glowing terms.
  I wouldn't be writing this if I, myself, hadn't started noticing how
damn UBIQUITOUS old (1970's-era) Celicas are. I'm tellin' ya, I see
them EVERYWHERE. Often in that OE mustard-gold body paint ( usually not
shiny any longer, but neither peeling after almost two decades!)
w/black vinyl roof scheme.
  Were these cars made from indestructable components or something? Or
did they merely attract original buyers who were above-average in
maintenance for some reason? 
  (It's been suggested that the reason old, inexpensive Japanese cars
often last so long is that their owners, lacking the resources to just
go out and buy new cars whenever desired, intentionally buy 'em for
long term use and care for them with that knowledge in mind.)

>I can see your point, but I must add these points.

[deletia]

>5) Concerning the conspiracy theories, if one looks at the GATT/NAFTA
>   agreements and the world courts, UN future economic zones...ect.
>   it does become quite clear that the United States is being
>   moved into a position of just another world country with NO
>   allegience from any national companies (actually national 
>   companies would be eliminated). To accomplish this the US must
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   DECREASE its' standard of living to be competetive with all 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   the other countries. [snip]

  I've suspected for years that the phenomenally-low-class nature of
the tv talk shows, especially since the beginning of the 1990s, ties
into this.
  I.e., just take a peek at a "typical" Jerry Springer or Montel
Williams or (befor he announced his retirement from the daily polluting
of the airwaves) Phil Donohue -- they're CHOCK FULL of the people from
the lowest -- and I mean LOWEST -- socioeconomic classes in society.
  Anyone who's watched any of these sleaze-tv shows knows EXACTLY what
I'm talking about. 
  Millions of schoolchildren come home each day and watch these
despicable programs and, as a result, it's ensured that the general
character of our future society will resemble more "the other side of
the tracks" or else what one would more likely expect of "Third World"
societies.
[snip]
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4rg669$p7h@news.ios.com> Mary Kravits 
writes: 
>
>
> You started two world wars and still you claim to be human. Your
people 
>are barbaric and should be caged like the animals you are. Because of 
>your evil you should be made to serve man as slaves for a thousand 
>years,Jews should get first crack.
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul  5 08:32:46 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: John F. Kennedy, neo-Nazi ? [forwarded]
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In <4rg7g7$p7h@news.ios.com> Mary Kravits 
writes: 
>
>dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>>In article <31d48f26.5769761@news.pacificnet.net>, tm@pacificnet.net
(tom moran) writes...
>>>dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>In article <31d2a3b6.738356@news.pacificnet.net>, tm@pacificnet.net
(tom moran) writes...
>>>>> 
>>>>>	Since there is enough and plenty of record to show that Jews
>>>>>would have the world think Holocaust deniers are "neo-Nazis" it
would
>>>>>follow that if John F.Kennedy had written his objections about the
>>>>>propriety of the Nuremberg trials this could put him in ranks of
the
>>>>>neo-Nazi.
>>>>
>>>>    1. Who has said that ALL Holocaust deniers are neo-Nazis?  I
know that
>>>>    I have posted the opposite.  In fact I said that you and Giwer
were
>>>>    examples of Holocaust dinier lunatics rather than neo-Nazis.
>>>>
>>>	"Lunatic" you say? LUNATIC? I kind of like that.
>>
>>    Good.  Coming to terms with yourself is the first step towards
making a
>>    recovery.
>>
>>                         daniel david mittleman 
>>=====================================================================
=====
>>                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
>
> Kennedy was a catholic,catholics commited mass murder in Span,the hUN

>holy Romaan Empire,the crussades etc. catholic,nazi same thing. 
>catholics=nazi. Reperations should be collected from the vatican and
sent 
>to Israel for the mass torment of the Jews. Evey catholic should pay a

>fine to a Jew.
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul  5 08:32:47 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: What in the world are Jews doing bowing to white christian trash ? [forwarded]
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In <4rg6f2$p7h@news.ios.com> Mary Kravits 
writes: 
>
>
> I though we all understood, NO DEBATE ON THE HOLOCAUST ! We are Jews
not 
>goyem,so stop going down to their level. Don't beg them for 
>understanding. They are nothing more than anti Semetic animals. The 
>germans scum are the lowest of the bunch. Tell them to take their
filthy 
>bible,the cross and jesus(the bastard) and shove them up their aryan 
>asses.
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul  5 08:32:48 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: What are your views of Jews?
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In <4rg61m$p7h@news.ios.com> Mary Kravits 
writes: 
>
>
> A Jew is Gods choosen one. Irsael is the God's choosen country and
>Jeruslam will be the capital of the world.
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: I think Germans have an evil gene.[forwarded]
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In <4rg669$p7h@news.ios.com> Mary Kravits 
writes: 
>
>
> You started two world wars and still you claim to be human. Your
people 
>are barbaric and should be caged like the animals you are. Because of 
>your evil you should be made to serve man as slaves for a thousand 
>years,Jews should get first crack.
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 34
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In <4rha7m$jei@treflan.shout.net> bigred@shout.net (Brian Redman)
writes: 
>
>
>              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8  Num. 34
>             ======================================
>                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
> 
> 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>THE SECOND OPIUM WAR AND THE AMERICAN BEACHHEAD
>===============================================

  Well, the history of British involvement in the drug trade certainly
DOES destroy all those rumors (actually, me thinks they're now largely
documented) that Bill Clinton -- alleged to have been a fairly high
user of cocaine since at least the 1980s -- is "anti-British." 
  Why, if anything, he'd appear to be one of the Queen's most-valued
customers!
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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In <31D89A7D.252E@orphan.cudenver.edu> Bilal zakria
 writes: 
>
>Charles wrote:
>> 
>>   For Americans to buy many thousands of $20,000-$50,000 cars
>> manufactured by Japanese companies is the height of ludicrousness.
>>   There are some product areas, such as home electronics, where it's
>> basically impossible NOT to buy Japanese. Understood.
>>   But what about all the very-active American car manufacturers?
>> Inferior quality vis a vis the Jap product? Not any more (if it was
>> ever substantially true). 
>
>
>
>Obviously, Joe, you never researched the auto industry until the 
>moment you "wrote" (can you write?) this letter.  I was in the
industry 
>for 27 years, and can tell you many stories of the bloated idiocy that

>existed within the Big Three during the postwar years. 

  So YOU'RE one of those to blame for the decline of the US auto
industry? Unfortunately, you and your colleagues did a GREAT job.
  How f-cking DARE you criticize the US automobile when YOU YOURSELF 
"were in the industry for 27 years blah blah blah . . . "
  Or was it your job during those 27 years merely to sweep out the
showroom? Yeah, that's the ticket!
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Sat Jul  6 17:17:52 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: INTERNET SHOCKER from GORE-->>
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In <4rm4hg$joo@nntp1.best.com> jdulaney@nntp.best.com (John Dulaney)
writes: 
>
>	IF GORE is FOR the INTERNET we MUST realize the TERRIBLE TRUTH:
>	---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>	AS.....
>	Internet Access Providers are bought up, one-by-one, by larger
>	corps. and pressure is brought to bare we can only imagine that
>	POLITICAL WEB PAGES, NEWSGROUPS, FTP sites etc. will be
>	REMOVED/KILLED/CENSORED and/or CANCELED - possibly their authors
>	---------------------------------------
>	harassed, arrested or set-up and killed. All in the name of
>				National Security.
>				~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~

  This type of thing has happened all-too-frequently in other countries
-- dare I say it?: even in the US -- before.

>	(Even now FBI infiltrators may have been behind the violence in
>	 most or all of the "militia" movements - with more "terrorist
>	 acts" propagated by these FBI men to come until Martial Law is  
>       "a regrettable final option". Then D-Calif. Tom Lantos-types   
>       can use Tom's favorite word "terminate" on us all.)
>                                ^^^^^^^^^
>	This has possibly begun already in Canada and on the WEB PAGES of
>	others, including the American in political exile Michael
Williams
>	(living in Switzerland after years of torture in US prisons). 
>
>	WE HAVE A SHOCK COMING IF CLINTON/GORE are FOR THE INTERNET!
>	------------------------------------------------------------
>			NOTHING these men (or their women) have
>			ever been FOR has EVER BEEN GOOD for
>			AMERICA - YOU and ME!
>
>	Since all TALK RADIO is censored as it is (No talk of the One
>World Order, Conspiracy or the Controlled Mass Media is allowed on
pain of
>firing) our final hopes are:
>
>	INTERNET - FAXES - SHORT WAVE RADIO - TELEPHONE - S-MAIL -
>	HANDBILLS - VOICES.
>
>	We might prepare now for it. Alarmist? 
>	Now we accept it as part of our lives that our TVs, Radios,
>	Movies, Newspapers, Magazines, public schools and political
>	leaders are all controlled by forces 
>		CONTRARY to AMERICAS BEST INTERESTS.	
>		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>	That each of those named are doing everything they can to end our
>	Constitution, our liberty, our way of life and pervert us to a
>	Totalitarian One World Government - BIG BROTHER!
>
>	WE ARE INURED TO THESE CRIMES AGAINST FREEDOM TODAY!
>	----------------------------------------------------
>
>	WE CAN BECOME INURED TO THE LOSS OF ALL OUR FREEDOMS TOMORROW!
>	--------------------------------------------------------------
>	
>	Once upon a time these newsgroups were 50% LIBERAL postings.
>				Today?
>						John
  
  Regarding your last point (which is right on target, btw), the answer
to it is EXACTLY why it's the liberals who are the primary forces
behind calls for increasing censorship and control of the Internet, of
course.

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>For a Cutting Edge, Hard-Right Political WEB PAGE:
>http://www.best.com/~jdulaney/politics.html
>http://www.johnbirch.com/
>http://www.tncnet.com/~rsears/jbs/resource.html
>
>"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it
is
>violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
>					--- Arthur Schopenhauer
>
>"A thousand years hence, perhaps in less, America may be what Europe
is
>now....  the noblest work of human wisdom, the grand scene of human
glory,
>the fair cause of freedom that rose and fell." 
>					--- Thomas Paine
>

-- 
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"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: FBI files should come as no surprise
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In <4rkgha$618@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
RENFSSG@usa.pipeline.com(blackhat07) writes: 
>
>Why is it so many people are shocked and surprised by the FBI files
being
>found in the White House? The government has been doing stuff like
this for
>so long it isn't new. So what's the big deal??

  Well, for one, the First Lady herself made her bones as a young
lawyer on the staff of the Senate Watergate Committee, and one wouldn't
expect such a person to now be so credibly implicated in such
shenanigans herself.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Aborted babies used in 'network marketing' products? [was: Re: NuSkin??]
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In <31D67943.6B60@global.california.com> Shel Prince
 writes: 
>
>Anybody have any experience with this company?  My son attended a
>presentation where they showed him theri stuff coagulated fat in a cup
>of coffee and are wanting him to sell their product as a fat-blocker
>or diet aid or some such.
>
>Maybe I'm overly cynical, but it sure sounded doubtful to me. 
>Comments out there?  Is this outfit and product you would want YOUR
>son involved with?  Please let me know.  Thanks  --  shel
>
  If this is the sick company I think it may, it's a "multi-level
marketing" (i.e. like Amway -- or, should I say, "Scamway"?) outfit
that literally used to sell cosmetics made with extracts of aborted
babies (aka "fetuses") or the placentas of women who aborted their
children.
  A young (20-something), seemingly-pleasant Jewish fellow once tried
to "recruit" me to "get into the business" -- needless to say, I'd have
nothing to do with a Nazi-like company that would engage in such
horrible activities as involve the exploitation of the bodies of
aborted babies.
  If anyone has further info indicating that I'm mistaken, please post
it. If I'm proved to be mistaken, I will so state online; however, I'm
pretty sure I'm correct, unfortunately.

>-- 
>"We do not what we should, but what we will, and devise fine reasons
why
>that is what we must."

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4rmdpg$3l2@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> RA Jensen
 writes: 
>
>joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote:
>>In <31D67943.6B60@global.california.com> Shel Prince
>> writes: 
>
>>  If this is the sick company I think it may, it's a "multi-level
>>marketing" (i.e. like Amway -- or, should I say, "Scamway"?) outfit
>>that literally used to sell cosmetics made with extracts of aborted
>>babies (aka "fetuses") or the placentas of women who aborted their
>>children.
>>  A young (20-something), seemingly-pleasant Jewish fellow once tried
>>to "recruit" me to "get into the business" -- needless to say, I'd
have
>>nothing to do with a Nazi-like company that would engage in such
>>horrible activities as involve the exploitation of the bodies of
>>aborted babies.
>>  If anyone has further info indicating that I'm mistaken, please
post
>>it. If I'm proved to be mistaken, I will so state online; however,
I'm
>>pretty sure I'm correct, unfortunately.
>>
>>>-- 
>If Roe - Wade is overturned and abortion is made illegal, this will be

>another case of beurocratic federal regulation interfering with the
God 
>given rights of entrepreneurial freedom. 
>

 The "God-given rights" of babies to LIVE and not be murdered (i.e.
"aborted," "terminated," whatever euphemism ya wanna use to avoid
confronting the horrendous reality) supercede the rights of any
"entrepreneur" to manufacture and sell cold cream or lipstick LITERALLY
made from the corpses of dead babies.
  I suspect someone such as yourself, Herr Jensen," could have been
"The Aryan Soap King" had you lived in those oh-so-"entrepreneurial"
times of the Third Reich.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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In <31dd4c31.5397919@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
writes: 
>
>Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann) wrote:
>
>>-THE THOUGHTCRIME ARCHIVES-
>>
>>THOUGHTCRIME: 07/04/96
>>
>>BRADLEY SMITH'S WEBSITE IS SHUT DOWN
>>____________________________________________________________________
>>
>>	As the first seconds of July 4, 1996 ticked away, the Bradley 
>>R. Smith / CODOH (Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust) 
>>website was shutdown from the World Wide Web.  The Bradley R. Smith 
>>Website was dedicated to the cause of Free Speech and especially 
>>encouraged open debate on the topic of the Holocaust.
>
>	Cause for an eventual national holiday in Israel?
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul  8 09:26:08 PDT 1996
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>>In <31df2318.9761545@nntp.ix.netcom.com> BajaRat@netcom.com (BajaRat)
>>writes: 

>>>The page was just updated, and Robles and his ilk are doing the same
>>>old whiny song and dance... this time blaming Pete Wilson for the
>>>Westwood 4th of July gang beating of Americans by errant illegals,
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>communists and their cohorts.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[snip]

>The song and dance goes something like this:
>
>WHO'S TO BLAME?:  BOTH SIDES POINT FINGERS. 
>
>LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The leader of a national Hispanic citizens 
>group Friday accused Gov. Pete Wilson of fomenting hatred that
>sparked street violence over illegal immigration, an allegation
>the governor's spokesman called ''outrageous.''

>The president of the League of United Latin American Citizens,
>in Boston to address the group's national convention, blamed 
 ^^^^^^^^^
>Wilson and political conservatives for creating a volatile 
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>atmosphere that could erupt into violence like a street brawl
>between activists that broke out Thursday in Los Angeles. Six
>people were injured and one was hospitalized.

>''Anytime a government official uses his position to promote 
>racism and discrimination against one group of people simply 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>because it is politically expedient, then that official must 
>take the responsibility for the forces of divisiveness and 
>hatred that he has unleashed,'' LULAC President Belen Robles 
>said in a news release.

>In a speech, Robles set blame for the violence on a small group
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of leftist extremists, but in published remarks she laid the 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>blame for a ''powder keg'' atmosphere at Wilson's feet.
>
>Wilson's spokesman, Sean Walsh, called Robles' accusation 
>''absolutely and utterly outrageous.''
>
>''To say such irresponsible, frenzied, comments . . . this 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>individual has essentially called 60 percent of the state of 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>California racist for caring about the billions and billions of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>dollars in services the state provides to illegal immigrants,''
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>he said.
 ^^^^^^^^
>Wilson believed communist agitators were to blame for Thursday's 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>violence, Walsh said.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>One activist Friday called the immigration conflict a rebirth of
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the 19th century war between the United States and Mexico.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>While most of Southern California marked the holiday with sand 
>and surf, parades and parties, advocates on both sides of 
>Proposition 187 clashed during an Independence Day demonstration 
>that turned into a bloody brawl.
>
>Proposition 187, approved by voters in 1994, called for 
>prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving public education, 
>non-emergency health care and social welfare services.
>
>The initiative has not been implemented because of court
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>challenges.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>About 150 police officers with helmets and batons separated 
>demonstrators in Westwood who beat each other with picket signs, 
>full soda cans and their bare hands.
>
>Police attributed the flare-up of violence to heat and heated 
>emotions, but activists on opposing sides of the immigration 
>argument say conflict is inevitable.
>
>Glenn Spencer, leader of the Voice of Citizens Together, said 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the groups that oppose Proposition 187 are essentially at war
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with the United States.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>''Their real intent is the reconquest of the United States,'' 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Spencer said in a telephone interview. ''This is the 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Mexican-American war revisited.''
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>A spokeswoman for the Progressive Labor Party called Spencer's
>group a racist, anti-immigrant ''fascist'' organization.

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Tue Jul  9 08:17:44 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 36
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In <4rn5r1$s8@treflan.shout.net> bigred@shout.net (Brian Redman)
writes: 
>
>
>              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8  Num. 36
>             ======================================
>                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
> 
> 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>"CONSPIRACY NATION" HAS NO FRIENDS
>==================================
> 
>Having just received  an  e-mail  from  a  reader whose signature
>informs me he is a "journalist"  --  in  other  words,  a  "real"
>corporate  journalist  and  not  like  *you*,  Conspiracy Nation,
>likely to say who knows what -- in which I was warned that unless
>I made things crystal clear to  this fellow, he was going to stop
>reading Conspiracy Nation, I responded in two words: "F*** y**."
> 
  Just try pulling that same crap with one of those "real" (i.e.
corporate-paycheck-receiving) journalists . . . To wit:

CN: Mr. Writher, I DEMAND that you make "crystal clear" your
now-100%-discredited description of JFK's head lurching *forward* --
when even Ray Charles woulda realized it went violently *backwards*!

DW: F*ck you, you "kook" You ain't no journalist. Where's yer network
pay stub?  Now me, Maury Povich, the guy who faked the *exploding gas
tank* tests on NBS, now THOSE are what ya call REAL "journalists"!

>I bet this tweedy fellow about sh**  in  his  pants.   Hmm...   I
>wonder if he will cancel?
> 
  One hopes so.

>Mr. Prim and Proper warned that he "didn't like the tone"  of  my
>"What is Satire" essay.  Furthermore, he entered his complaint to
>yours truly, the Complaint Department, that he is in a huff about
>Professor Orlin Grabbe's recent essay, "An Apology and Good-Bye".
>Warned this fellow:  "Give me hard news -- no satire -- or else I
>will stop reading Conspiracy Nation."
> 
  I suggest you offer him something quite "hard" in response. 

>Of course, if he does quit reading, that will mean 100 less Green
>Stamps that I get from the Green Stamp people based on  how  many
>readers  there  are.   And  being  *that*  *close*  to having put
>together enough Green  Stamp  books  that  I  can finally get the
>patio furniture my heart is so set on, his  warning,  I  confess,
>put great fear into my heart.
>
  Green Stamps! ROFL! :-0
 
>But then I  remembered  something  Joseph  Pulitzer said in 1904.
>Pulitzer had a newspaper called the New York World.  He  asked  a
>judge of his acquaintance what he thought of the New York World:
> 
>  JUDGE: "It is a great paper. But it has one defect."
>  PULITZER: "What is that?"
>  JUDGE: "It never stands by its friends."
>  PULITZER: "A newspaper should have no friends."
 
  EXCELLENT quote/comeback, Mr. P! (Hear that, all you
Clinton-defending prostitutes of the Establishment Media?)

>Which  means  Conspiracy  Nation  is  not  a  popularity contest.
>Conspiracy Nation is ugly, needs a shave, and scowls a  lot.   It
>is  not  like those chirpy bubbly fellows and gals you get on the
>television, the ones that will gladly kiss your ass with a smile.
> 
>Conspiracy Nation feels free to  carry  articles  by  that  nasty
>Orlin  Grabbe  fellow,  the  one  that's  always  so downbeat and
>cynical and all.
> 
>Conspiracy  Nation  *will*  continue  to  carry  articles by that
>dreadful Sherman Skolnick.  Yes, the guy is just so *gauche*, and
>yes his father was a garment worker, and yes he "lacks schooling"
>and all that -- but it's just that, for *some* reason, people are
>interested in what he has to say.

  VIVA SKOLNICK!
  Although wheelchair-bound since childhood, he stands
head-and-shoulders above the vast majority of Establishment
journalists, IMHO.

>Conspiracy Nation notes that some  readers feel our use of satire
>harms our "credibility".  "Please, no satire, or else I will stop
>reading what you send out," say these Lords and Ladies.

  Some of the most socially, politically and journalistically effective
writing, historically, has been satire, in fact. Keep up the tradition,
by all means!
 
>Conspiracy  Nation  notes  the  buzz  that  one  poster  declares
>outright that we are "no longer credible."  (Gasp.  Conformity is
>even creeping into the "patriot" movement.)
> 
>But credibility means "to  believe"  and our position has *never*
>been blind belief but rather "food for thought".  We want you  to
>think.  We don't want you to "believe".
> 
>Final note:  the Editor-in-Chief is a wild man,  but  thankfully,
>middle  age has mellowed him out a bit.  Even so, he is apt to do
>"outrageous" things, things that  "journalists" from calm, staid,
>"credible" corporate-backed outlets -- the "good" little boys and
>girls -- would just absolutely never ever  do.
> 
>So you say you're gonna cancel? Bye. Good luck. Happy trails.
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>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <31dd4c7e.5474374@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
writes: 
>
>Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann) wrote:
>
>>-THE THOUGHTCRIME ARCHIVES-
>>
>>THOUGHTCRIME: 07/04/96
>>
>>BRADLEY SMITH'S WEBSITE IS SHUT DOWN
>>____________________________________________________________________
>>
>>	As the first seconds of July 4, 1996 ticked away, the Bradley 
>>R. Smith / CODOH (Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust) 
>>website was shutdown from the World Wide Web.  The Bradley R. Smith 
>>Website was dedicated to the cause of Free Speech and especially 
>>encouraged open debate on the topic of the Holocaust.
>
>	Perhaps one of those 90 to 0 U.S. Senatorial votes motions
>endorsing the move? 

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Tue Jul  9 12:12:21 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Livingstone had legal defense fund 10 months prior to Filegate revelations?
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  Anyone have further info on the charge, attributed to CNN's Robert
Novak, that the now-scandal-embroiled White House official Craig
Livingstone was actively seeking contributions for a personal legal
defense fund almost a full year before the Filegate scandal put him in
the news?
  Apparently, Livingslime solicited the contributions to his own legal
defense fund in relation to the investigation into Vince Foster's
apparent murder.
  It will be noted that, a couple of weeks ago when he was asked by
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) if he ever met Foster, the wily Livingstone
responded, "Gee, I'm sure I must have." (guffaw)
  What's equally disturbing about Livingslime's defense fund soliciting
is that it apparently WAS NEVER REPORTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE ETHICS
OFFICE AS REQUIRED BY LAW -- even though his benefactors actually
contributed THOUSANDS of dollars to it. 
  This lack of reporting would seem, on the face of it, to be a
possible criminal act REQUIRING a full-scale investigation, perhaps by
a new, non-partisan Special Prosecutor. 
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 10 15:39:20 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: Re: BRAZIL:"WE HAVE CONTACTED UFO'S" ANNOUNCEMENT MADE THIS MORNING
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In <4rrnfk$ase@sun.sirius.com> Jason   writes: 
>
>Are they cashing in on ID4's poplularity and making some practical 
>joke... or is this the moment weve all been waiting for?
>
>From what I heard, and I wish I heard more, this morning, Brazil 
>announced that its been in contact with "aliens".
>
>I heard this from a friend, maybe its all bullshit, but my friend 
>sounded *panicked*, so I know that she wasnt kidding....
>
>If anyone has any info pertinant to this particular alleged 
>announcement, please post or mail.
>
>Thank you,
>jason
>
>

  Tell your friend to calm down, it was only The Girl From Ipanema
without her makeup wjo they saw in Brasil and misidentified as an
"alien."
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: Re: The Aids Nonsense Epidemic
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In <4s1f6h$63g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> cgbg@aol.com (Cgbg) writes: 
>
>      Today in this crisis we face a grave crisis, 
>and it grows worse every year, threatening our health
>and our pocketbooks.
>
>      I am talking, of course, about the Aids Nonsense
>Epidemic.  Media coverage of the recent Vancouver Aids
>Conference suggest this epidemic of media misinformation
>and disinformation is totally out of control, spreading
>to every corner of the country.
>
>     Consider:
>
>    (1)  These quacks from Vancouver are now prattling on
>ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS that the average UNTREATED Aids
>victim lives TWELVE YEARS.    Wasn't it just a few years
>ago that we were told that Aids victims would die within
>a year?
>
>    (2)  These quacks claim that we have an "epidemic"
>on our hands even though by their own statistics the
>growth of the disease is only 5% a year.  How can you
>have an epidemic that grows 5% a year?  What kind of
>contagious disease, with no known cure, is this?
>
>    (3)  These quacks say that if you spend $20,000 
>a year you MAY be able to extend your lifetime, even
>though they admit they have only tested these drugs in
>combination for a year or so.    (Remember, they admit
>that if you spend nothing you will last twelve years.)
>
>     (4)  These quacks refuse to discuss all the celebrities
>that died within a short time (a year or two or less) of
>contracting this disease.  Why didn't they last twelve
>years?  (Hint:  Read Poison By Prescription:  The AZT
>Story by John Lauritsen available by writing Mr. Lauritsen
>at 26 St. Marks Place, New York, N.Y. 10003 to find out.)
>
>    (5)  These quacks are pushing for Medicaid money and
>foreign aid to pay the drug companies $20,000 per year
>for each alleged AIDS patient while every undeveloped
>country's Health Minister knows that crying "AIDS" will
>bring food and all kinds of medicine into the country.
>
>     Just Say No To The Aids Nonsense Epidemic.
>
>     If you take away their funding the nonsense will
>disappear along with the parasite drug companies!

  I'm reminded of the situation, during the 1970s, when it was mainly
those who the corporate media regularly tars as "right-wing extremists"
who were pushing for the legalization of anti-cancer drugs such as
laetrile.
  As may be recalled, the Liberal Establishment used all their
resources to suppress that and other "unproven" anti-cancer drugs.
  Yet, when a group which is *politically-approved* among the
*politically-correct* in society -- homosexuals -- desperately turned
to AZT and other such "unproven" and "experimental" treatments for
AIDS, the US government was DAMN fast in approving these drugs and
getting them into the hands of those who sought them. 
  What hypocrisy.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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In <4s4g84$12v@treflan.shout.net> bigred@shout.net (Brian Redman)
writes: 
>
>
>              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8  Num. 44
>             ======================================
>                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
> 
> 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>JIM HIGHTOWER -- 07/11/96
>=========================
> 
>They say if you lay down with dogs, you'll wake up with fleas. 
> 
>Meet Phillip Knight,  the  flea-ridden  chief  executive of Nike,
>Inc. "Just  do  it!"  exclaims  the  advertising  slogan  of  his
>company.

  I've always been bothered by that advertising motto. Seems to be a
possible parody of Nancy Reagan's admirable anti-drug campaign motto,
"Just say no!" 

[deletia]
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Sat Jul 13 14:16:38 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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  Anyone have any information regarding the possibility that New Age
author Deepak Chopra is a whoremonger? 
  That he buys sex from prostitutes?
  I ask this after reading a very disturbing post concerning Chopra in
the alt.conspiracy newsgroup appearing in the alt.conspiracy newsgroup.
  Personally, I wouldn't respect ANY "New Age" guru/author who
frequents prostitutes, members of "The World's Oldest Profession."
  I await the New Age author's personal response to this charge.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 15 07:12:45 PDT 1996
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Subject: Some recent articles appearing in The Spotlight
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  [N.B.: I am NOT in ANY way associated with the publication which
contained the following articles of interest, "The Spotlight," except
as a regular reader!]

-- An article on the "dirty tricks" escapades of ex-bouncer and, until
recently, White House Director of Personnel Security (MY GOD! Now
THAT'S a nightmare!) Craig Livingstone and his associate, Anthony
Marceca. 
  A quote: according to the article, "As his name hit the headlines for
his links to Filegate, Marceca was sent by the Army on a week-long
mission to Poland."

-- An article stating that Livingslime "was one of several individuals
seen removing files from the office of [Vince] Foster after his death 
 . . "

-- An editorial demanding that US forces get out of the
terrorism-plagued Middle East.

-- An article on the existence of a little-known US government agency
whose job it is to give tours of "US military bases and even
defense-related industries" to Russian inspectors and others from the
breakaway republics of the Soviet Union.

-- An article on the shocking and disturbing harrasment that innocent
US citizen John Demjanjuk has been suffering from supporters of Zionism
in America -- even after the Supreme Court of Israel overturned his
conviction on fraudulent charges of being "Ivan the Terrible."
   The article provides support for the contention that, "Irrefutable
evidence has emerged that not only was the Ukranian-American retiree
not 'Ivan the Terrible,' a 'sadistic guard' at a wartime German
detention camp, BUT THAT THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT KNEW IT ALL ALONG,
EVEN AS IT PROSECUTED HIM." [emphasis added]

-- An ad (on another page, and not a part of the above article) for a
new book by Demjanjuk's Israeli lawyer, Yoram Sheftel. The book's
title? "THE DEMJANJUK AFFAIR: The Rise and Fall of a Show Trial." 




-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: You can say this aloud in Israel, but NOT in the USA!: The disturbing case of Joe Sobran, an honest journalist [was: Clinton & his yarm*ke]
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In <4sb9f6$jis@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
writes: 

[snip]

>  Israeli columnist Ari Shavit claims "...the White House, the
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Senate and much of the American media is in our (Israel's) hands...."
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Following is an article from the June 13, 1996 edition of The Wanderer
>that cries for wide distribution:

>"In Our Hands" 
>by Joseph Sobran

>One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel
>now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
>media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic
>conspiracy theory.

>  The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis.  In an essay
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>out of a certain naive hubris.  Believing with absolute certitude
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>own..."
 ^^^^^^^
>  In a single phrase  --  "in our hands" --  Shavit has lighted up the
>American political landscape like a flash of lightning.

>  Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can
>say publicly only at our own risk.

  [Note: Joe Sobran, the author of this column, was once a long-time,
respected columnist for the Establishment Conservative -- at that time,
anyway -- magazine "National Review". After being outrageously
slandered as an "antisemite," Mr. Sobran was kicked off the magazine's
staff. -- Joe Buck]

> It's surprising, and refreshing,
>to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was
>reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz).

>The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ally" of the United States,  despite Israel's long record of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  [Note: "Technology theft"? The brazen, scheming and unrepentant
Pollards (now Israeli citizens!) are just the veritable "tip of the
iceberg" in this regard. 
  ["The killing of American sailors"? C.f. the knowing and wanton
Israeli bombing and strafing of the USS Liberty, resulting in scores of
dead young American servicepersons. The reason for the murderous
attack? The US Navy vessel was thought to be spying on Israeli military
communications. Israel's attitude: "How DARE those nervy Americans!
Just give us our billion$ and billion$ in aid annually and shut up!"
   [To this day, a number of Jewish-American apologists -- many online
-- still vigorously seek to deny the accuracy of accounts of the attack
by its American survivors, and otherwise attempt to obfuscate the
well-established events surrounding the incident. -- Joe Buck]

> The word "ally" implies that the relationship exists because it's in 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>devoted to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>suggest otherwise.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after
>all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much
>of the American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. 
>Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no
>protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of
>their homes in "retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel
>(wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no
>control.

> Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance
>of Israeli "defense."  Congress too is "in our hands."

>  A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's
>power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies.  But there is one
>enormous difference.  Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to
>criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly
>that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. 
>They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a
>more active sense:  They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in
>the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli
>"democracy" and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish
>minorities  -- mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on
>a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.

> No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the
>status of Palestinians in Israel.  The idea is almost absurd.  Yet 
                                                                ^^^
>Americans are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the flimsy pretext that they are helping an "ally" in America's own
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than
>for what it tells us about America.  Frank discussion of Israel is
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>permitted in Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates.  It's rarely
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>attention to his own government's --  and his own profession's   --
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>servitude to Israeli interests.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
>affairs.  Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning
>back his countrymen and his government from a morally and
>politically perilous course.  At least he can hope.  It's harder for
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>us, when our own government isn't in our hands.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>=========end==============
>*****{{{{{{{{{*****************}}}}}}}}}*****
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-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4s9v7s$2nh@herald.concentric.net> tsun@concentric.net (tsun)
writes: 

[big-time snip]

  "tsun," you "tsuck" :-)
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: A phenomenally interesting newspaper for conservatives, et al
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  [N.B.: This is NOT an ad. I am NOT connected in ANY way with the
publication being described below!]
  For years and years I wouldn't take 5 minutes to read "The
Spotlight," a self-proclaimed "populist" weekly newspaper published in
Washington, D.C. by the Liberty Lobby.
  I figured it was just too "far out" or "extreme" for my taste, and
stuck to other conservative-related publications such as "National
Review" and "The American Spectator."
  Well, now that I've read my first few issues of "The Spotlight," I
wish I'd done so a long time ago!
  I can't think of any conservative, populist, generic right-winger,
nationalist, conspiracy-interested or even left-leaning American
citizen who wouldn't find the MAJORITY of articles in a typical copy of
"The Spotlight" exceptionally interesting.
  If you can get hold of a single copy from a friend or pick up a
recent issue somewhere, I urge you to check it out. Along with
excellent investigative publications such as "Media Bypass" and the
like, "The Spotlight" is a true "goldmine" of suppressed -- yet
extremely important -- news.

(Subscription information for those interested: [202] 546-5621 [$39/yr,
and they run special subscription offers from time to time]. They're
also running a deal right now in which, for $2.00 to cover the cost of
printing and mailing, they'll send sample issues to 4 people who you
think would also find it interesting.}
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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  AMEN!
  It's the Pat Buchanan-type conservatives and Republicans and
populists -- the people who had the GUTS to question the propriety of
the Wall-Street-led "peso bailout," for example -- who will,
thankfully, fill the rather *large* void ;-) left by Limbaugh's
decline.
  Good riddance, Rush.
  (As I write this, a Democrat campaign commercial castigates your man
Dole for the Ultimate Insider's "35 years of raising Americans' taxes."
How appropriate.)

In <31eb5729.3851118@news.lm.com> landlord@telerama.lm.com (Mayor Loz)
writes: 
>
>#: 10778 S23/Spirit of Liberty  (CIS:MYSTERIES) Compuserve
>    16-Jul-96  01:51:24
>Sb: Rush L = History
>Fm: Mark  Owsley 72603,1654
>
>I happened to be in the car traveling today for five solid hours. Out
of range
>of my usual stations, I listened to the Rushmeister. A lady called in
and said
>she had tickets for the taping of the TV show, but heard that he was
quitting.
>He hemmed and hawed about it, but finally confessed that the show is
over. His
>reason was that stations kept pushing him back to times like three AM,
and the
>show was not going anywhere. It is a big conspiracy against him by
liberal
>program managers. Then he shared the numbers...two years ago, his show
>finished with a 4.0 share. Strong. Last year...3.6 This year....2.5.
He
>apparently decided to bail before he was tossed.
>
>Now, his show was cancelled here months ago, and for all I know I
could have
>been listening to a re-run today...I'm surprised nobody else has been
talking
>about this. But assuming this news is current...
>
>I will grant Rush that indeed *some* program managers do schedule his
show for
>the graveyard, because they don't like him. But I also note that he
had some
>of the best time slots when he had some of his best numbers. Now, we
can
>believe Rush's conspiracy theories, or we could just point out that
the free
>market often works when left reasonably unattended. I would submit to
Mr.
>Limbaugh that when he left the cutting edge and opted for a "kinder,
gentler"
>more pliable Rush, a few of us noticed...and then a few more...until
finally
>he fell from nipping at the heels of Letterman and Leno to the cellar
of late
>night TV.
>
>Claims he may "set up a website" because the "medium" (TV) is
"undergoing such
>a change."
>
>--------------------------------------- To Rush with love:
>
>Many of us are online now because of you, Rush. But we have now been
to the
>mountain top...and we've seen the other side. Online, we found out
much more
>than you ever bothered to tell us. We found and made friends and
neighbors who
>revealed more and more of the unmitigated truth about the true state
of this
>nation. And all the while that we were learning more and more, you
were caring
>less and less. You "rushed" to defend Reno's Waco assault and to
ridicule
>those different from you who died quite unpleasant deaths in that
horror. You
>found a new girlfriend. You discovered the NFL was more interesting
than the
>DNC.  You went to a lot of parties. *We* went to a lot of libraries.
You got
>remarried. And somewhere along the way, you decided that the good life
could
>be had without irritating the left so badly. They put you on "Hearts
Afire."
>Norman Lear called you personally just to talk. And we called you to
tell you
>what we had been learning and to warn you about the future of this
nation. And
>you ridiculed us. We tried to warn you about NAFTA and you laughed in
our
>faces. We tried to warn you, our old friend, about GATT (the Uruguay
Round -
>see we know the difference) and you called us kooks.
>
>We had long ago learned that you were never the cutting edge...but we
hoped,
>we thought surely Rush will help us. Surely he cares about the fact
that this
>nation is being sold out and that all our liberties are being
gradually taken
>from us. Yet, we couldn't even get a word in edgewise on "Open Line
Friday."
>Liberals were free to call and argue up a storm. But we were not. We
found
>that you lied when you said you never hung up on a caller. Because
when you
>got uncomfortable with our comments, you began to talk and talk and
talk until
>the break and then we, having been terminated a long while before,
were told
>"Thanks for the call...back in a moment." Heck, you said your show was
issues-
>driven. But when we tried to call the very week that they were voting
on GATT,
>you did not want to discuss it. And that was the issue of the week !
You said
>we were crazy to think that American sovereignty was endangered by
this 20,000
>page beast which you, of course, knew very little about. We could
literally
>feel the tension that week and knew that we had made you very
uncomfortable,
>just by trying to discuss current events and our take on them. Now,
had we
>wanted to talk about the line on the Steelers vs. the Dolphins, we
would
>certainly have piqued your interest.
>
>And you continued to lose our attention. We tuned in less and less to
you on
>radio and we abandoned the TV show completely. And, finally, when you
agreed
>with the Mexican bailout, we knew that it was over. One call from
Greenspan ?
>Is that all it took ? You are a cheap date, Rush. Yes, you really are
just an
>entertainer, Yes, you really would be a "liberal" (are you not now ?)
if it
>would make you more money.
>
>Oh well, another hero with clay feet. We're used to it now. In those
>libraries, and on the internet, we found out that many of our
"friends" might
>not have actually been that friendly, anyway. What did George Bush
really mean
>with all those "points of light?" Did Ollie North really try to
suspend the
>Constitution ? So, the fact that you really don't care and never did
does not
>shock us. We are already numb from shock. We are disappointed, sure.
We have
>lost an ally that we thought we had, and a damned entertaining one at
that.
>
>Gone are the days of the caller abortions. Gone too the chainsaws of
Redwood
>Forests of yesteryear. No more "Feminazi Updates." You always were
quite
>sensitive to criticism, and we knew that all along. But it simply took
us a
>long time to figure out that you would moderate the message in order
to gain a
>modicum of acceptance from the left. Once you "arrived," we thought we
had,
>too. You left us at the altar and never looked back.
>
>We're grownups, Rush, and damn proud Americans. We *can* take the fact
that
>you jilted us. But we will never forget that once we began to put the
pieces
>together for ourselves, and to see just how far down the line we had
traveled
>toward socialism and totalitarianism, we had wondered if you knew.
And, with
>near-tears we had to admit that if *we* knew the truth, you, with your
"crack
>staff," internet access and all, *had* to know it, too. We had thought
at
>first you were just blind.
>
>Oh, there was one other incident that defined the loss of our
relationship.
>Some nut, or group of nuts, or some government, blew up a building
full of
>innocent men, women and children. For a while, it appeared that the
Clinton
>and Reno tag-team would soon detain anyone in America who had ever
voted
>Republican, because of this tragedy. President Clinton attempted to
turn the
>event to his political advantage by railing against anyone and
everyone who
>had opinions to the right of Eleanor Smeal. And you responded. Not
boldly. Not
>even with righteous indignation. Despite our disappointment in you, we
half-
>expected you to set the record straight. We half-heartedly dreamed
that you
>might take the President to task and ask, "How dare he insinuate that
good,
>honest law-abiding conservative Americans could be responsible for
this act ?
>How dare he call voicing love for country and fellow citizen of
whatever
>stripe or religion, hate rhetoric ? How dare he even suggest that
being
>anything but politically correct was criminal ?" But, no, you, you...
rather
>timidly responded that he wasn't really referring to you. He was
referring to
>the hard right. Not Rush Limbaugh. And then you sought to distance
yourself
>even more from the real conservatives, explaining in not-so-many words
that
>you really were just neo-conservative and that you really believed in
big
>government after all, so don't worry folks, he's not talking about me,
and if
>you moderate your views and just compromise on a few things like
American
>sovereignty and socialism, he won't be talking about you, either.
Sorry, Rush,
>some of us got daddies and brothers, uncles and cousins who fought and
died
>that we might be patriotic and resist the hoofbeats of complete
socialism. We
>got mommas who brought us up to pray and look to God and not the
momma- state,
>be it Democrat or Republican flavored. And they taught us to respect
the lives
>of our fellow citizens whether they be in a government building or a
church
>called a compound, so that aspersion doesn't hold water.
>
>Don't look now, Rush, but the cat is out of the bag. You can have your
>conspiracy theories about liberal program managers and station staff
who don't
>like you, and killed your TV program all you want. But the fact is
that you
>killed it yourself. As Bear Bryant once said, "you got to dance with
the one
>that brung you." You did not. Real conservatives took you to the grand
>ballroom where you settled in for some champagne and a cigar. And
promptly
>left us to be wallflowers.
>
>Nobody but you killed your TV program, Rush. And, oh, don't bother
with that
>website, if you ask us. You are right that the "medium is changing."
But the
>main factor that has changed is one Rush H. Limbaugh.
>
>Over the next few months, we will probably run into one another again.
We
>won't be at the parties you frequent at Planet Hollywood or whatever.
We will
>be in the kitchen or in our cars, and we will check in with you from
time to
>time. Just to listen to you as you try to be convincing selling the
idea that
>Bob Dole actually stands for anything. And we will watch the new
Democratic
>Congress as it is inaugurated in January along with Bill CLinton. You
see, we
>delivered the new Republican Congress and it did not have the courage
of its
>convictions, either. It capitulated to the left...exactly the opposite
of what
>we sent it there to do. We don't want arguments about which party is
actually
>proposing the biggest increase in social security or welfare spending
and we
>don't really care who is lying about it. We wanted a Congress that
would stand
>toe-to-toe with Bill CLinton and not only resist his charge toward
communism,
>but actually begin to dismantle the New Deal. (We can work on the
Great
>Society after that.)
>
>But no, you and they did not have the courage of your convictions, so,
in time
>you will both be replaced. Pity. We could have made beautiful music
together.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>One of many former dittoheads....
>

-- 
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        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4sjkfq$39b@jeeves.tccn.com> mross@tccn.com (Michael King Ross)
writes: 
>
>Did anybody catch Bob & Liddy Dole on Larry King the other night?  At
>one point, Larry asks Bob about tobacco and whether it is addictive or
>not, and Bob goes into a whole long deal, obviously scripted for him
>by his handlers, about how smoking is bad and nobody should do it.
>And then, he says, "Having said that...",  and immediately Liddy
>chirps in, saying,  "And that's it!"
>
>Reminds one of Nancy Reagan muttering answers into the Gippers ear,
>doesn't it?  Would Dole be another Alzheimer's President, where his
>wife was the real brains of the outfit?
>
>
>Chuckle, chuckle,  and they say Hillary wears the pants....
>
>'king Ross
>
>
>'king Ross
>
  Honestly, I'd much prefer to have an Alzheimers-suffering Ronald
Reagan in the White House -- any day of the week -- than that sleazy,
allegedly-cocaine-sniffing Clinton and his Missus, the "channeller".
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
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        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <31EDF270.F6A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom
 writes: 
>
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>White Slavery in Israel
>
>by Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>You hear a lot about Black slavery, even though it has not existed
>in this country for 130 years. You hear a lot about the slave labor
>used by Germany more than half a century ago. Every now and
>then you hear about the slavery and near-slavery that is still
>endemic in much of the Third World. You almost never hear about
>the very real White Slavery that existed right alongside Black
>slavery, though I have discussed it on this program more than
>once.
>
>But I am almost certain that you have never heard of the slave
>labor of White people that is happening right now in the State of
>Israel. I am talking about White people literally enslaved by Jews.
>It was brought to light by a Jewish journalist in Israel named
>Schlomo Abramovitch and published in the Israeli publication
>"Yediot Aharonot" in March of last year.
>
>In parts of Eastern Europe the economy is devastated and White
>people are destitute, on the edge of starvation, and eating by
>scavenging garbage. A Romanian man, identified only as Dimitri K,
>said he could earn only $95 per month in Romania, so he was
>easy pickings for Israeli so-called "recruiters" who promised him
>higher wages.
>
>What he discovered was that, once in Israel, his real status was
>that of a slave, who is paid only what his master thinks will
>suffice to barely sustain him, and who has no rights whatsoever.
>Dimitri was taken to work at a metal plant in Ashqelon. When
>they were only paid about one fourth of what they were promised
>by the "recruiter," he and eight other workers there dared to
>protest.
>
>The workers were kidnapped, taken to a secret location and
>beaten. "They tied a bag over my head, viciously pulled me
>outside, and took me to a pickup truck parked near the entrance"
>of the one room apartment he shared with six other slaves. "I did
>not see who they were, but at least one of them was a real
>hooligan. He swung me like a chicken and threw me onto the
>pickup truck. The beatings began immediately afterward. One of
>the kidnappers told me I was paying for inciting my comrades to
>go on strike." After the beatings, it was somehow arranged for
>Dimitri K and the other troublesome slaves to be officially
>deported from Ben-Gurion airport. After all, there are plenty more
>White people like Dimitri, starving and willing to believe what the
>Jewish "recruiter" tells them.
>
>The Israeli government admits that as many as 100,000 workers
>like Dimitri, many of them White Europeans, are brought into the
>Jewish state by such "recruiters." The practice is technically
>illegal, but little is done about it because so many Jews profit not
>only from the trade in human flesh, but from the cheap labor and
>high living and high profits it means for some Israeli Jews. The
>Jewish author of this revealing report states that these people are
>"employed under slave-labor conditions in factories, workshops,
>restaurants, and in private homes. Employers exploit the fact that,
>if the workers disclosed their working conditions, they could be
>deported. People are sold like slaves by one employer to another
>for large amounts of money." Slave women are used sexually by
>their so-called "employers" but have no legal recourse except
>escape and recapture by police. If the "employer" has used the
>workers for a while and wants to get out of even paying the
>customary slave wages, no problem: he can just turn over his
>slaves to the police and they'll be deported and out of his hair.
>
>Sadly, more and more White people from Eastern Europe are
>caught up in this slave trade by their own desperation: the
>"recruiters" promise a wage well above what is available in the
>wrecked economies of their homelands, which in painful irony
>were once ruled by Jewish Communism, and are now stripped
>bare by predatory capitalists, many of them Jewish. Now the
>Jews take possession of the people themselves.
>
>If the American government had an ounce of decency, it would
>immediately end all aid to the Jewish state and do everything in
>its power to help our poor blood brothers in Eastern Europe.
>-- 
>
>
>Kevin Alfred Strom
>
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In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson 
writes: 
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>
>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>
>We know the Irish; we grew up
>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
[snip]
>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a phenomenon
>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and they
>all seem to talk funny.

  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two decades
or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from modest
circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
Hollywood Jews. 
  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
has NEVER won an Academy Award.
  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
"Jewcademy."

>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
[snip]
>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively hates
>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such as
>Married With Children.
>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of his
films ever made it through the film's editing.

>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
and 
>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII 
>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
[snip]
> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.

  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in the
establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.

>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.

>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why are
>they so silent?

  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked and
scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.

>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and heavily 
>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than 
>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
crime.  

  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta rap"-type
records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers of
some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)

>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women, 
>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a long-running
>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>Jews get along.

  Yes, this is true.
  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media jumped
on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
Goldman, was a Jew.
  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a jury
than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their disgust
with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.


>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
in 
>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to why 
>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by Woody 
>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy pork
>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American 
>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees, showing 
>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being religious, 
>faithful and true.

  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the best
you'll find anywhere.
  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the US
media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you knew
about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate media,
you wouldn't get this impression, however.

>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>media 
>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals of
>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted 
>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent, the 
>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>
>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
that 
>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American media
>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>commentator.
>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>noticeable, 
>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no ethnic
>Arab-Americans. 

  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
media capacities.

>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.

  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 

>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already proposed
>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the absence
>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>was peculiar. 
>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers about
>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  

  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
Paris of the Middle East," right?

>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated, and 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the 60s
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s painstakingly
>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities.  As
>the only Arabs in America, the 
>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
[snip]
>
>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics, 
>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains to
>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If American
>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel thinking,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to Israel.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.

>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free 
>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
States, 
>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
influence 
>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
if, 
>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>States to Israel's advantage.
>
>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
same 
>mass-mediated ridicule?  They are all Christians, for starters.  The 
>Mideast wars have become one big religious war after all.  Judaism is 
>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
Christianity 
>in the United States, and so better to oppress the spirit of these
people 
>as best as they can be catigorized.
>
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In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson 
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>
>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>
>We know the Irish; we grew up
>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
[snip]
>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a phenomenon
>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and they
>all seem to talk funny.

  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two decades
or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from modest
circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
Hollywood Jews. 
  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
has NEVER won an Academy Award.
  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
"Jewcademy."

>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
[snip]
>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively hates
>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such as
>Married With Children.
>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of his
films ever made it through the film's editing.

>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
and 
>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII 
>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
[snip]
> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.

  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in the
establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.

>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.

>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why are
>they so silent?

  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked and
scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.

>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and heavily 
>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than 
>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
crime.  

  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta rap"-type
records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers of
some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)

>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women, 
>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a long-running
>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>Jews get along.

  Yes, this is true.
  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media jumped
on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
Goldman, was a Jew.
  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a jury
than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their disgust
with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.


>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
in 
>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to why 
>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by Woody 
>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy pork
>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American 
>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees, showing 
>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being religious, 
>faithful and true.

  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the best
you'll find anywhere.
  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the US
media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you knew
about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate media,
you wouldn't get this impression, however.

>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>media 
>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals of
>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted 
>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent, the 
>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>
>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
that 
>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American media
>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>commentator.
>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>noticeable, 
>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no ethnic
>Arab-Americans. 

  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
media capacities.

>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.

  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 

>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already proposed
>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the absence
>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>was peculiar. 
>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers about
>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  

  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
Paris of the Middle East," right?

>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated, and 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the 60s
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s painstakingly
>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities.  As
>the only Arabs in America, the 
>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
[snip]
>
>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics, 
>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains to
>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If American
>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel thinking,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to Israel.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.

>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free 
>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
States, 
>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
influence 
>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
if, 
>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>States to Israel's advantage.
>
>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
same 
>mass-mediated ridicule?  They are all Christians, for starters.  The 
>Mideast wars have become one big religious war after all.  Judaism is 
>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
Christianity 
>in the United States, and so better to oppress the spirit of these
people 
>as best as they can be catigorized.
>
>-------------------------------------------
>
>TEST PATTERN, the newsletter of American ethnic Lebanese and 
>Arab-American public opinion -- media's inverted image!
>
>The most heavily censored American political thought in the latter
half 
>of the twentieth century:
>
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>That's $9.95 off the news-stand-less price!!
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In <31EDF270.F6A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom
 writes: 
>
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>White Slavery in Israel
>
>by Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>You hear a lot about Black slavery, even though it has not existed
>in this country for 130 years. You hear a lot about the slave labor
>used by Germany more than half a century ago. Every now and
>then you hear about the slavery and near-slavery that is still
>endemic in much of the Third World. You almost never hear about
>the very real White Slavery that existed right alongside Black
>slavery, though I have discussed it on this program more than
>once.
>
>But I am almost certain that you have never heard of the slave
>labor of White people that is happening right now in the State of
>Israel. I am talking about White people literally enslaved by Jews.
>It was brought to light by a Jewish journalist in Israel named
>Schlomo Abramovitch and published in the Israeli publication
>"Yediot Aharonot" in March of last year.
>
>In parts of Eastern Europe the economy is devastated and White
>people are destitute, on the edge of starvation, and eating by
>scavenging garbage. A Romanian man, identified only as Dimitri K,
>said he could earn only $95 per month in Romania, so he was
>easy pickings for Israeli so-called "recruiters" who promised him
>higher wages.
>
>What he discovered was that, once in Israel, his real status was
>that of a slave, who is paid only what his master thinks will
>suffice to barely sustain him, and who has no rights whatsoever.
>Dimitri was taken to work at a metal plant in Ashqelon. When
>they were only paid about one fourth of what they were promised
>by the "recruiter," he and eight other workers there dared to
>protest.
>
>The workers were kidnapped, taken to a secret location and
>beaten. "They tied a bag over my head, viciously pulled me
>outside, and took me to a pickup truck parked near the entrance"
>of the one room apartment he shared with six other slaves. "I did
>not see who they were, but at least one of them was a real
>hooligan. He swung me like a chicken and threw me onto the
>pickup truck. The beatings began immediately afterward. One of
>the kidnappers told me I was paying for inciting my comrades to
>go on strike." After the beatings, it was somehow arranged for
>Dimitri K and the other troublesome slaves to be officially
>deported from Ben-Gurion airport. After all, there are plenty more
>White people like Dimitri, starving and willing to believe what the
>Jewish "recruiter" tells them.
>
>The Israeli government admits that as many as 100,000 workers
>like Dimitri, many of them White Europeans, are brought into the
>Jewish state by such "recruiters." The practice is technically
>illegal, but little is done about it because so many Jews profit not
>only from the trade in human flesh, but from the cheap labor and
>high living and high profits it means for some Israeli Jews. The
>Jewish author of this revealing report states that these people are
>"employed under slave-labor conditions in factories, workshops,
>restaurants, and in private homes. Employers exploit the fact that,
>if the workers disclosed their working conditions, they could be
>deported. People are sold like slaves by one employer to another
>for large amounts of money." Slave women are used sexually by
>their so-called "employers" but have no legal recourse except
>escape and recapture by police. If the "employer" has used the
>workers for a while and wants to get out of even paying the
>customary slave wages, no problem: he can just turn over his
>slaves to the police and they'll be deported and out of his hair.
>
>Sadly, more and more White people from Eastern Europe are
>caught up in this slave trade by their own desperation: the
>"recruiters" promise a wage well above what is available in the
>wrecked economies of their homelands, which in painful irony
>were once ruled by Jewish Communism, and are now stripped
>bare by predatory capitalists, many of them Jewish. Now the
>Jews take possession of the people themselves.
>
>If the American government had an ounce of decency, it would
>immediately end all aid to the Jewish state and do everything in
>its power to help our poor blood brothers in Eastern Europe.
>-- 
>
>
>Kevin Alfred Strom
>
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In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson 
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>Box 425  Vienna, VA  22183
>Copyright 1996
>complimentary excerpt
>
>==============================================
>Tuesday, July 2, 1996
>==============================================
>
>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>
>We know the Irish; we grew up
>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
[snip]
>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a phenomenon
>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and they
>all seem to talk funny.

  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two decades
or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from modest
circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
Hollywood Jews. 
  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
has NEVER won an Academy Award.
  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
"Jewcademy."

>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
[snip]
>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively hates
>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such as
>Married With Children.
>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of his
films ever made it through the film's editing.

>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
and 
>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII 
>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
[snip]
> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.

  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in the
establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.

>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.

>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why are
>they so silent?

  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked and
scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.

>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and heavily 
>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than 
>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
crime.  

  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta rap"-type
records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers of
some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)

>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women, 
>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a long-running
>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>Jews get along.

  Yes, this is true.
  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media jumped
on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
Goldman, was a Jew.
  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a jury
than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their disgust
with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.


>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
in 
>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to why 
>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by Woody 
>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy pork
>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American 
>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees, showing 
>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being religious, 
>faithful and true.

  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the best
you'll find anywhere.
  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the US
media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you knew
about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate media,
you wouldn't get this impression, however.

>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>media 
>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals of
>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted 
>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent, the 
>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>
>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
that 
>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American media
>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>commentator.
>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>noticeable, 
>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no ethnic
>Arab-Americans. 

  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
media capacities.

>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.

  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 

>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already proposed
>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the absence
>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>was peculiar. 
>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers about
>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  

  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
Paris of the Middle East," right?

>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated, and 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the 60s
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s painstakingly
>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities.  As
>the only Arabs in America, the 
>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
[snip]
>
>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics, 
>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains to
>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If American
>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel thinking,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to Israel.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.

>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free 
>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
States, 
>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
influence 
>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
if, 
>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>States to Israel's advantage.
>
>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
same 
>mass-mediated ridicule?  They are all Christians, for starters.  The 
>Mideast wars have become one big religious war after all.  Judaism is 
>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
Christianity 
>in the United States, and so better to oppress the spirit of these
people 
>as best as they can be catigorized.
>
>-------------------------------------------
>
>TEST PATTERN, the newsletter of American ethnic Lebanese and 
>Arab-American public opinion -- media's inverted image!
>
>The most heavily censored American political thought in the latter
half 
>of the twentieth century:
>
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In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson 
writes: 
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>
>Box 425  Vienna, VA  22183
>Copyright 1996
>complimentary excerpt
>
>==============================================
>Tuesday, July 2, 1996
>==============================================
>
>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>
>We know the Irish; we grew up
>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
[snip]
>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a phenomenon
>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and they
>all seem to talk funny.

  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two decades
or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from modest
circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
Hollywood Jews. 
  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
has NEVER won an Academy Award.
  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
"Jewcademy."

>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
[snip]
>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively hates
>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such as
>Married With Children.
>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of his
films ever made it through the film's editing.

>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
and 
>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII 
>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
[snip]
> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.

  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in the
establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.

>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.

>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why are
>they so silent?

  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked and
scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.

>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and heavily 
>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than 
>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
crime.  

  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta rap"-type
records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers of
some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)

>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women, 
>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a long-running
>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>Jews get along.

  Yes, this is true.
  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media jumped
on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
Goldman, was a Jew.
  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a jury
than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their disgust
with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.


>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
in 
>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to why 
>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by Woody 
>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy pork
>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American 
>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees, showing 
>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being religious, 
>faithful and true.

  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the best
you'll find anywhere.
  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the US
media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you knew
about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate media,
you wouldn't get this impression, however.

>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>media 
>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals of
>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted 
>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent, the 
>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>
>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
that 
>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American media
>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>commentator.
>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>noticeable, 
>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no ethnic
>Arab-Americans. 

  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
media capacities.

>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.

  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 

>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already proposed
>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the absence
>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>was peculiar. 
>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers about
>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  

  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
Paris of the Middle East," right?

>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated, and 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the 60s
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s painstakingly
>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities.  As
>the only Arabs in America, the 
>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
[snip]
>
>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics, 
>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains to
>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If American
>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel thinking,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to Israel.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.

>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free 
>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
States, 
>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
influence 
>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
if, 
>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>States to Israel's advantage.
>
>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
same 
>mass-mediated ridicule?  They are all Christians, for starters.  The 
>Mideast wars have become one big religious war after all.  Judaism is 
>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
Christianity 
>in the United States, and so better to oppress the spirit of these
people 
>as best as they can be catigorized.
>
>-------------------------------------------
>
>TEST PATTERN, the newsletter of American ethnic Lebanese and 
>Arab-American public opinion -- media's inverted image!
>
>The most heavily censored American political thought in the latter
half 
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Subject: Re: What happened to the Australian Islamic Posting?
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In <4slll2$s8u@news.aimnet.com> Chip Seward 
writes: 
>
>Yesterday, 7/17/96, about 4 pm pst, there was a posting here from an 
>Australian Islamic site, titled something about conspiracies against
free 
>speech, wherein the guy was kvetching about Isralie domination of the 
>American congress & suppression of Islamic expressiong.  I went to the

>url, it was interesting, I meant to look it up again when I got home,
but 
>lo!  Aw gone.  Nowhere to be found on usenet & (I didn't bother to
take 
>down the url) couldn't search it out on the web.  Anybody know what
I'm 
>talking about?
>

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fouad

  I found the article by Alfred Lilienthal (himself a Righteous Jew,
much condemned by his fellow Jews for his outspoken views, and who I
respect greatly) fascinating. I'd read his "The Zionist Conection" a
long time ago and wish I found his works in more bookstores. He also
authored, I believe, another well-researched book titled "What Price
Israel?"
-- 
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        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: Re: Keeping Neighborhoods Jewish (ADV)
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In <4spiqn$re0@tst.hk.super.net> pristine@news.hk.super.net (Mr Richard
Ethan Latker) writes: 

[deletia]

>The Jewish community, on the other hand, is in precipitous decline.
Most
>younger Jews are intent on assimilation, and half of them marry
non-Jews. 
^^^^^^^^

  I.e. "shikses," typically. :-)

>Why does it threaten you if the conservatives react by trying to 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>rebuild their cohesion?

  See, this is precisely where your hostility to the original
correspondent, Mr. Strom, leads you to make silly, obfuscating
arguments. Let me explain.
  Point #1: Mr. Strom, in his initial post, was NOT referring to
"conservatives." He was referring to members of a specific
religio-ethnic-racial group: Jews.
  While some of the Jews who were literally trying to bribe their
fellows to move into certain communities are, in fact, likely to be
"Conservative Jews" (members of a distinct sub-group in Judaism, along
with the "Orthodox" and "Reform" sub-groups), your clever and
self-serving substitution for "Jew" with "conservative" was, alas,
quite transparently an attempt to avoid confronting the essential issue
Mr. Strom was discussing. But nice try anyway! (And I mean that.)
  Point #2: Last I heard, other religio-ethnic-racial groups which
tried to merely preserve their traditional characters (e.g. the
Irish-Catholics in Boston some years ago who were so violently opposed
to forced school busing) were, generally speaking, utterly demonized by
the liberal media and people such as yourself as being "racists,"
"xenophobes," you name it. 
  I can imagine what the Jewish-liberal talking heads propped up by the
media (i.e. ALL the major television networks) as being "experts"
(guffaw) would have to say about a middle-aged Irish-Catholic protestor
of mandatory school busing who openly sought to "preserve the cohesion
of our Irish-Catholic communities" by opposing the mass "invasion" of
these communities every morning by thousands of young African-American
youths in yellow school buses! "Racist!" "Neo-Nazi!" "Xenophobe!"
  BTW, the fact that the Mayor of the city/town mentioned in Mr.
Strom's original post was personally involved in the effort to bring
more members of a particular religio-ethnic-racial group (i.e. Jews)
into his duchy is disturbing. NO Mayor of ANY city or town ought to be
favoring one religio-ethnic-racial group over others -- nor approving
programs to literally PAY members of these favored groups to relocate
to the Mayor's locale.
  Let The People decide where they want to live, without special
financial "incentive$" dangled in front of their noses, and then let
the Mayor take his chances come Election Day. Seems to me that the
Mayor figured he'd have a "lock" on the votes of any immigrating Jews
who actually took him up on the offer to move into his town. How
cynical -- and typical, in our age of race-based voting.

>They aren;t trying to keep anyone *out* of their
>community, they jut want more Jews.

  If you substitute "White" for "Jews," that's exactly the argument an
admittedly-racist Klansman would make for wanting to "preserve the
cohesion" of HIS community!

>Building exclusive communities solely on the basis of race has been
>rejected by the majority of Americans -- even those who harbour racial
>prejudices. If you really hate people of colour, you have every right
to
>avoid them.

  Not true: see above, re: Boston's Irish-Catholic communities which
certainly did NOT "have a right to avoid them."

> But you have no right to disinvite them from American soil, if
>they are Americans. 

  Oh, so by not offering Jews money to move in, they are therefore
being "disinvited"? What a dumb argument.


>: In Elmont, New York, Jews escaping the results of what their
>: ancestors have done to the former Soviet Union are given special
>: benefits to encourage their immigration there.
[snip]
>: Now all of this was brought to my attention as the result of a
>: glowing article in USA Today. Do you think the media would have
>: given such a positive, upbeat account of this effort to keep up the
>: Jewish population in certain areas if the principals in the story
>: had, instead of Jews, been ordinary White Americans?
[snip]
>: Can you imagine the media reaction, if say, Kevin Strom was
>: quoted as stating that by his efforts "I'm hoping to bring Detroit
>: to a thriving White community as it was in the past"? 
>
>They would just ignore you, because you are not a leader of
consequence. 
>If the Mayor of Detroit were to say it, he'd get skewered for sure.
But if
>he called for the revitalisation of Detroit, which has long been
>multi-ethnic and multi-racial,

  Detroit "multi-ethnic" and "multi-racial"? You're KIDDING, right?
  Detroit has clearly NOT been "multi-ethnic" nor "multi-racial" for
many, many years now -- you MUST know that?
  BTW, how's that long-established night-time curfew for
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" youths doing these days in wonderful
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" Detroit"? ;-)

 


-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Sat Jul 20 09:37:56 PDT 1996
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In <4spiqn$re0@tst.hk.super.net> pristine@news.hk.super.net (Mr Richard
Ethan Latker) writes: 

[deletia]

>The Jewish community, on the other hand, is in precipitous decline.
Most
>younger Jews are intent on assimilation, and half of them marry
non-Jews. 
^^^^^^^^

  I.e. "shikses," typically. :-)

>Why does it threaten you if the conservatives react by trying to 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>rebuild their cohesion?

  See, this is precisely where your hostility to the original
correspondent, Mr. Strom, leads you to make silly, obfuscating
arguments. Let me explain.
  Point #1: Mr. Strom, in his initial post, was NOT referring to
"conservatives." He was referring to members of a specific
religio-ethnic-racial group: Jews.
  While some of the Jews who were literally trying to bribe their
fellows to move into certain communities are, in fact, likely to be
"Conservative Jews" (members of a distinct sub-group in Judaism, along
with the "Orthodox" and "Reform" sub-groups), your clever and
self-serving substitution for "Jew" with "conservative" was, alas,
quite transparently an attempt to avoid confronting the essential issue
Mr. Strom was discussing. But nice try anyway! (And I mean that.)
  Point #2: Last I heard, other religio-ethnic-racial groups which
tried to merely preserve their traditional characters (e.g. the
Irish-Catholics in Boston some years ago who were so violently opposed
to forced school busing) were, generally speaking, utterly demonized by
the liberal media and people such as yourself as being "racists,"
"xenophobes," you name it. 
  I can imagine what the Jewish-liberal talking heads propped up by the
media (i.e. ALL the major television networks) as being "experts"
(guffaw) would have to say about a middle-aged Irish-Catholic protestor
of mandatory school busing who openly sought to "preserve the cohesion
of our Irish-Catholic communities" by opposing the mass "invasion" of
these communities every morning by thousands of young African-American
youths in yellow school buses! "Racist!" "Neo-Nazi!" "Xenophobe!"
  BTW, the fact that the Mayor of the city/town mentioned in Mr.
Strom's original post was personally involved in the effort to bring
more members of a particular religio-ethnic-racial group (i.e. Jews)
into his duchy is disturbing. NO Mayor of ANY city or town ought to be
favoring one religio-ethnic-racial group over others -- nor approving
programs to literally PAY members of these favored groups to relocate
to the Mayor's locale.
  Let The People decide where they want to live, without special
financial "incentive$" dangled in front of their noses, and then let
the Mayor take his chances come Election Day. Seems to me that the
Mayor figured he'd have a "lock" on the votes of any immigrating Jews
who actually took him up on the offer to move into his town. How
cynical -- and typical, in our age of race-based voting.

>They aren;t trying to keep anyone *out* of their
>community, they jut want more Jews.

  If you substitute "White" for "Jews," that's exactly the argument an
admittedly-racist Klansman would make for wanting to "preserve the
cohesion" of HIS community!

>Building exclusive communities solely on the basis of race has been
>rejected by the majority of Americans -- even those who harbour racial
>prejudices. If you really hate people of colour, you have every right
to
>avoid them.

  Not true: see above, re: Boston's Irish-Catholic communities which
certainly did NOT "have a right to avoid them."

> But you have no right to disinvite them from American soil, if
>they are Americans. 

  Oh, so by not offering Jews money to move in, they are therefore
being "disinvited"? What a dumb argument.


>: In Elmont, New York, Jews escaping the results of what their
>: ancestors have done to the former Soviet Union are given special
>: benefits to encourage their immigration there.
[snip]
>: Now all of this was brought to my attention as the result of a
>: glowing article in USA Today. Do you think the media would have
>: given such a positive, upbeat account of this effort to keep up the
>: Jewish population in certain areas if the principals in the story
>: had, instead of Jews, been ordinary White Americans?
[snip]
>: Can you imagine the media reaction, if say, Kevin Strom was
>: quoted as stating that by his efforts "I'm hoping to bring Detroit
>: to a thriving White community as it was in the past"? 
>
>They would just ignore you, because you are not a leader of
consequence. 
>If the Mayor of Detroit were to say it, he'd get skewered for sure.
But if
>he called for the revitalisation of Detroit, which has long been
>multi-ethnic and multi-racial,

  Detroit "multi-ethnic" and "multi-racial"? You're KIDDING, right?
  Detroit has clearly NOT been "multi-ethnic" nor "multi-racial" for
many, many years now -- you MUST know that?
  BTW, how's that long-established night-time curfew for
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" youths doing these days in wonderful
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" Detroit"? ;-)

 


-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Sat Jul 20 09:47:26 PDT 1996
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In <4spiqn$re0@tst.hk.super.net> pristine@news.hk.super.net (Mr Richard
Ethan Latker) writes: 

[deletia]

>The Jewish community, on the other hand, is in precipitous decline.
Most
>younger Jews are intent on assimilation, and half of them marry
non-Jews. 
^^^^^^^^

  I.e. "shikses," typically. :-)

>Why does it threaten you if the conservatives react by trying to 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>rebuild their cohesion?

  See, this is precisely where your hostility to the original
correspondent, Mr. Strom, leads you to make silly, obfuscating
arguments. Let me explain.
  Point #1: Mr. Strom, in his initial post, was NOT referring to
"conservatives." He was referring to members of a specific
religio-ethnic-racial group: Jews.
  While some of the Jews who were literally trying to bribe their
fellows to move into certain communities are, in fact, likely to be
"Conservative Jews" (members of a distinct sub-group in Judaism, along
with the "Orthodox" and "Reform" sub-groups), your clever and
self-serving substitution for "Jew" with "conservative" was, alas,
quite transparently an attempt to avoid confronting the essential issue
Mr. Strom was discussing. But nice try anyway! (And I mean that.)
  Point #2: Last I heard, other religio-ethnic-racial groups which
tried to merely preserve their traditional characters (e.g. the
Irish-Catholics in Boston some years ago who were so violently opposed
to forced school busing) were, generally speaking, utterly demonized by
the liberal media and people such as yourself as being "racists,"
"xenophobes," you name it. 
  I can imagine what the Jewish-liberal talking heads propped up by the
media (i.e. ALL the major television networks) as being "experts"
(guffaw) would have to say about a middle-aged Irish-Catholic protestor
of mandatory school busing who openly sought to "preserve the cohesion
of our Irish-Catholic communities" by opposing the mass "invasion" of
these communities every morning by thousands of young African-American
youths in yellow school buses! "Racist!" "Neo-Nazi!" "Xenophobe!"
  BTW, the fact that the Mayor of the city/town mentioned in Mr.
Strom's original post was personally involved in the effort to bring
more members of a particular religio-ethnic-racial group (i.e. Jews)
into his duchy is disturbing. NO Mayor of ANY city or town ought to be
favoring one religio-ethnic-racial group over others -- nor approving
programs to literally PAY members of these favored groups to relocate
to the Mayor's locale.
  Let The People decide where they want to live, without special
financial "incentive$" dangled in front of their noses, and then let
the Mayor take his chances come Election Day. Seems to me that the
Mayor figured he'd have a "lock" on the votes of any immigrating Jews
who actually took him up on the offer to move into his town. How
cynical -- and typical, in our age of race-based voting.

>They aren;t trying to keep anyone *out* of their
>community, they jut want more Jews.

  If you substitute "White" for "Jews," that's exactly the argument an
admittedly-racist Klansman would make for wanting to "preserve the
cohesion" of HIS community!

>Building exclusive communities solely on the basis of race has been
>rejected by the majority of Americans -- even those who harbour racial
>prejudices. If you really hate people of colour, you have every right
to
>avoid them.

  Not true: see above, re: Boston's Irish-Catholic communities which
certainly did NOT "have a right to avoid them."

> But you have no right to disinvite them from American soil, if
>they are Americans. 

  Oh, so by not offering Jews money to move in, they are therefore
being "disinvited"? What a dumb argument.


>: In Elmont, New York, Jews escaping the results of what their
>: ancestors have done to the former Soviet Union are given special
>: benefits to encourage their immigration there.
[snip]
>: Now all of this was brought to my attention as the result of a
>: glowing article in USA Today. Do you think the media would have
>: given such a positive, upbeat account of this effort to keep up the
>: Jewish population in certain areas if the principals in the story
>: had, instead of Jews, been ordinary White Americans?
[snip]
>: Can you imagine the media reaction, if say, Kevin Strom was
>: quoted as stating that by his efforts "I'm hoping to bring Detroit
>: to a thriving White community as it was in the past"? 
>
>They would just ignore you, because you are not a leader of
consequence. 
>If the Mayor of Detroit were to say it, he'd get skewered for sure.
But if
>he called for the revitalisation of Detroit, which has long been
>multi-ethnic and multi-racial,

  Detroit "multi-ethnic" and "multi-racial"? You're KIDDING, right?
  Detroit has clearly NOT been "multi-ethnic" nor "multi-racial" for
many, many years now -- you MUST know that?
  BTW, how's that long-established night-time curfew for
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" youths doing these days in wonderful
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" Detroit"? ;-)

 


-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4spiqn$re0@tst.hk.super.net> pristine@news.hk.super.net (Mr Richard
Ethan Latker) writes: 

[deletia]

>The Jewish community, on the other hand, is in precipitous decline.
Most
>younger Jews are intent on assimilation, and half of them marry
non-Jews. 
^^^^^^^^

  I.e. "shikses," typically. :-)

>Why does it threaten you if the conservatives react by trying to 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>rebuild their cohesion?

  See, this is precisely where your hostility to the original
correspondent, Mr. Strom, leads you to make silly, obfuscating
arguments. Let me explain.
  Point #1: Mr. Strom, in his initial post, was NOT referring to
"conservatives." He was referring to members of a specific
religio-ethnic-racial group: Jews.
  While some of the Jews who were literally trying to bribe their
fellows to move into certain communities are, in fact, likely to be
"Conservative Jews" (members of a distinct sub-group in Judaism, along
with the "Orthodox" and "Reform" sub-groups), your clever and
self-serving substitution for "Jew" with "conservative" was, alas,
quite transparently an attempt to avoid confronting the essential issue
Mr. Strom was discussing. But nice try anyway! (And I mean that.)
  Point #2: Last I heard, other religio-ethnic-racial groups which
tried to merely preserve their traditional characters (e.g. the
Irish-Catholics in Boston some years ago who were so violently opposed
to forced school busing) were, generally speaking, utterly demonized by
the liberal media and people such as yourself as being "racists,"
"xenophobes," you name it. 
  I can imagine what the Jewish-liberal talking heads propped up by the
media (i.e. ALL the major television networks) as being "experts"
(guffaw) would have to say about a middle-aged Irish-Catholic protestor
of mandatory school busing who openly sought to "preserve the cohesion
of our Irish-Catholic communities" by opposing the mass "invasion" of
these communities every morning by thousands of young African-American
youths in yellow school buses! "Racist!" "Neo-Nazi!" "Xenophobe!"
  BTW, the fact that the Mayor of the city/town mentioned in Mr.
Strom's original post was personally involved in the effort to bring
more members of a particular religio-ethnic-racial group (i.e. Jews)
into his duchy is disturbing. NO Mayor of ANY city or town ought to be
favoring one religio-ethnic-racial group over others -- nor approving
programs to literally PAY members of these favored groups to relocate
to the Mayor's locale.
  Let The People decide where they want to live, without special
financial "incentive$" dangled in front of their noses, and then let
the Mayor take his chances come Election Day. Seems to me that the
Mayor figured he'd have a "lock" on the votes of any immigrating Jews
who actually took him up on the offer to move into his town. How
cynical -- and typical, in our age of race-based voting.

>They aren;t trying to keep anyone *out* of their
>community, they jut want more Jews.

  If you substitute "White" for "Jews," that's exactly the argument an
admittedly-racist Klansman would make for wanting to "preserve the
cohesion" of HIS community!

>Building exclusive communities solely on the basis of race has been
>rejected by the majority of Americans -- even those who harbour racial
>prejudices. If you really hate people of colour, you have every right
to
>avoid them.

  Not true: see above, re: Boston's Irish-Catholic communities which
certainly did NOT "have a right to avoid them."

> But you have no right to disinvite them from American soil, if
>they are Americans. 

  Oh, so by not offering Jews money to move in, they are therefore
being "disinvited"? What a dumb argument.


>: In Elmont, New York, Jews escaping the results of what their
>: ancestors have done to the former Soviet Union are given special
>: benefits to encourage their immigration there.
[snip]
>: Now all of this was brought to my attention as the result of a
>: glowing article in USA Today. Do you think the media would have
>: given such a positive, upbeat account of this effort to keep up the
>: Jewish population in certain areas if the principals in the story
>: had, instead of Jews, been ordinary White Americans?
[snip]
>: Can you imagine the media reaction, if say, Kevin Strom was
>: quoted as stating that by his efforts "I'm hoping to bring Detroit
>: to a thriving White community as it was in the past"? 
>
>They would just ignore you, because you are not a leader of
consequence. 
>If the Mayor of Detroit were to say it, he'd get skewered for sure.
But if
>he called for the revitalisation of Detroit, which has long been
>multi-ethnic and multi-racial,

  Detroit "multi-ethnic" and "multi-racial"? You're KIDDING, right?
  Detroit has clearly NOT been "multi-ethnic" nor "multi-racial" for
many, many years now -- you MUST know that?
  BTW, how's that long-established night-time curfew for
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" youths doing these days in wonderful
"multi-ethnic," "multi-racial" Detroit"? ;-)

 


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In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson 
writes: 
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>Tuesday, July 2, 1996
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>
>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>
>We know the Irish; we grew up
>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
[snip]
>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a phenomenon
>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and they
>all seem to talk funny.

  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two decades
or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from modest
circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
Hollywood Jews. 
  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
has NEVER won an Academy Award.
  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
"Jewcademy."

>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
[snip]
>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively hates
>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such as
>Married With Children.
>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of his
films ever made it through the film's editing.

>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
and 
>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII 
>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
[snip]
> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.

  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in the
establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.

>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.

>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why are
>they so silent?

  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked and
scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.

>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and heavily 
>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than 
>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
crime.  

  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta rap"-type
records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers of
some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)

>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women, 
>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a long-running
>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>Jews get along.

  Yes, this is true.
  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media jumped
on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
Goldman, was a Jew.
  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a jury
than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their disgust
with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.


>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
in 
>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to why 
>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by Woody 
>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy pork
>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American 
>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees, showing 
>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being religious, 
>faithful and true.

  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the best
you'll find anywhere.
  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the US
media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you knew
about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate media,
you wouldn't get this impression, however.

>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>media 
>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals of
>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted 
>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent, the 
>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>
>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
that 
>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American media
>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>commentator.
>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>noticeable, 
>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no ethnic
>Arab-Americans. 

  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
media capacities.

>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.

  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 

>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already proposed
>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the absence
>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>was peculiar. 
>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers about
>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  

  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
Paris of the Middle East," right?

>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated, and 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the 60s
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s painstakingly
>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities.  As
>the only Arabs in America, the 
>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
[snip]
>
>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics, 
>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains to
>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If American
>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel thinking,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to Israel.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.

>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free 
>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
States, 
>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
influence 
>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
if, 
>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>States to Israel's advantage.
>
>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
same 
>mass-mediated ridicule?  They are all Christians, for starters.  The 
>Mideast wars have become one big religious war after all.  Judaism is 
>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
Christianity 
>in the United States, and so better to oppress the spirit of these
people 
>as best as they can be catigorized.
>
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In <31ED3E34.1366@ix.netcom.com> hambone 
writes: 
>
>We all knew that the President and Co-President of the United States
are 
>degenerate, corrupt, Communist boot-licking slime, but it would now 
>appear that like attracts like even when it comes to selection of
White 
> House staff as well.
>
>No less then NINE current White  House staffers are in drug 
>rehabilitation! TWENTY-ONE altogether cannot get securty clearance 
>because of their passion for dope!
>
>Isn't that nice? Don't you hope that they are ultimately successful in

>kicking? Don't you enjoy paying for the rehabilitation of people who 
>assist in your governance at the highest level?
>
>Do you sometimes wonder if the staff have selected a single room in
which 
>they can all gather and break out the works and their private stashes
of 
>"Redrum" brand smack ( the brand of choice in the Clinton White
House...) 
>and cook up their own little happy hour?
>
>Do you wonder if the homosexual shenanigans that are reported to now 
>occur in the White  House also go on there in that same "happy

>room"?
>
>Well, I wonder....
>
>Our decline as a nation picks up speed.
>
>Hambone

-- 
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In <4ssd2c$i7g@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt 
Giwer) writes: 
>
>On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:21:14 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>>	
>>	         "Olympics Revive Memories of Munich"
>>                      L.A.Times, 7/20/96
>
>>"Relatives of those
>>killed in 1972 terrorist
>>attack come to Atlanta 
>>seeking some remembrance
>>of the tragedy."
>
>>	"Atlanta -- For most of the 2 million people pouring into Atlanta
>>for the Centennial Olympic Games, these are exciting times. Not for
>>Mimi Weinberg.
>>	... Her husband, Muni, was killed by Arab terrorists ...
>>	In the wake of the bombings at the New York's World Trade Center
>>and the Oklahoma City federal building -- and the crash this week of
>>TWA Flight 800 ...
>>	It isn't likely that anyone, in such an atmosphere, will forget
>>how suddenly elation can turn to horror. But if they do, Weinberg and
>>other family members are here to remind them.
>>	'I want America and I want Europe to know that what happened to
>>me can happen to you ... We must never forget'.
>>	....
>>	Mimi Weinberg said she knows that the Olympics, for most people,
>>are a time of celebration and joy, 'Wee don't want to destroy that,
>>.. We just want one minute, just two seconds, to remember what
>>happened'.
>
>>	The delegation, which is sponsored by the Isreali Olympic
>>Committee, said they had been promised by Olympic officials that a
>>moment of silence would be observed during Friday nights opening
>>ceremonies to remember the Israelis who died.
>>	'Then they said they'd changed their minds' Guri Weinberg said,
>>'They didn't give a reason'.
>>	Bob Brennan, spokesman for the Atlanta Committee ... said the
>>possibility of a moment of silence was never discussed.
>>	'That's not true' he said of the Weinbergs' allegation.
>>	...
>>	The family members blame it on politics. 'We don't want to talk
>>politics' said Romano, who lives in Israel, 'All we want is
>>recognition for what happened. Nobody cares'.
>>	Their only hope for recognition, she said, was that NBC might
>>train their cameras on them for a moment in the stands during the
>>ceremonies.
>
>>	A few months ago it was reported in the L.A.Times how a
>>delegation from Israel with Jewish children wounded in terrorist
>>attacks went to Oklahoma City to exploit that disaster.    	   
>
>	And after calling in some reporters, they walked out of the
opening ceremonies.  

  So much for their "great Olympic spirit," if they did, indeed, walk
out after getting the media to give them their five minutes.
  Doncha see: what's *important* is THEIR private agenda -- NOT The
Olympics itself.
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
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"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
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  I recall reading on a Web page this past week that Clinton is now
suffering from/just contracted his THIRD case of influenza since
January of this year.
  Such frequency of illness would be consistent with the possibility
that his immune system is weakened and that the President is, indeed,
HIV-positive.
  We may be seeing a President Gore if Clinton is forced to quit the
race due to such recurring illness.
  Remember that his medical records were inadvertently destroyed
(perhaps to cover-up more than just cocaine-induced nasal/septum
prblems?) and that the White House physician (a non-partisan position)
was also fired. 
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: Re: ISRAEL'S WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, I
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In  jmenkes@ucla.edu (John H. Menkes)
writes: 

 . . 

>>In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson

>>writes: 
>>>
>>>TTTTT EEEEE SSSSS TTTTT
>>>  T   E     S       T  
>>>  T   EEEEE SSSSS   T  
>>>  T   E         S   T  
>>>  T   EEEEE SSSSS   T  
>>>
>>>
>>>PPPPP AAAAA TTTTT TTTTT EEEEE RRRR  N   N
>>>P   P A   A   T     T   E     R   R NN  N
>>>PPPPP AAAAA   T     T   EEEEE RRRRR N N N
>>>P     A   A   T     T   E     R   R N  NN 
>>>P     A   A   T     T   EEEEE R   R N   N
>>>
>>>Box 425  Vienna, VA  22183
>>>Copyright 1996
>>>complimentary excerpt
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Tuesday, July 2, 1996
>>>==============================================
>>>
>>>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>>>
>>>We know the Irish; we grew up
>>>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
>>[snip]
>>>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>>>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a
phenomenon
>>>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>>>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>>>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>>>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and
they
>>>all seem to talk funny.
>
>>  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two
decades
>>or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from
modest
>>circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
>>Hollywood Jews. 
>>  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
>>has NEVER won an Academy Award.
>>  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
>>traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
>>special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
>>"Jewcademy."
>
>>>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
>>[snip]
>>>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively
hates
>>>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such
as
>>>Married With Children.
>>>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
>>American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
>>there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
>>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
>>"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of
his
>>films ever made it through the film's editing.
>
>>>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
>>and 
>>>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII

>>>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
>>[snip]
>>> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>>>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>>>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.
>
>>  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in
the
>>establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.
>
>>>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>>>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>>>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.
>
>>>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why
are
>>>they so silent?
>
>>  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
>>they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
>>to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked
and
>>scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.
>
>>>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and
heavily 
>>>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than

>>>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
>>criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
>>crime.  
>
>>  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
>>critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta
rap"-type
>>records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
>>officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers
of
>>some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
>>Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
>>  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
>>or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)
>
>>>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women,

>>>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>>>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>>>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>>>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>>>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>>>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a
long-running
>>>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>>>Jews get along.
>
>>  Yes, this is true.
>>  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media
jumped
>>on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
>>Goldman, was a Jew.
>>  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a
jury
>>than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
>>millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
>>schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
>>[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
>>  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
>>to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
>>Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
>>had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
>>struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their
disgust
>>with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.
>
>
>>>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>>>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
>>in 
>>>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>>>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>>>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to
why 
>>>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>>>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by
Woody 
>>>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy
pork
>>>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American

>>>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees,
showing 
>>>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being
religious, 
>>>faithful and true.
>
>>  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the
best
>>you'll find anywhere.
>>  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the
US
>>media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
>>that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you
knew
>>about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate
media,
>>you wouldn't get this impression, however.
>
>>>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>>>media 
>>>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals
of
>>>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted

>>>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent,
the 
>>>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
>>other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>>>
>>>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
>>that 
>>>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>>>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>>>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American
media
>>>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>>>commentator.
>>>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>>>noticeable, 
>>>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no
ethnic
>>>Arab-Americans. 
>
>>  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
>>Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
>>media capacities.
>
>>>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.
>
>>  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
>>"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 
>
>>>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already
proposed
>>>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>>>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the
absence
>>>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>>>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>>>was peculiar. 
>>>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers
about
>>>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>>>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>>>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>>>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>>>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>>>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  
>
>>  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
>>Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
>>  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
>>Paris of the Middle East," right?
>
>>>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated,
and 
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the
60s
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s
painstakingly
>>>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities. 
As
>>>the only Arabs in America, the 
>>>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
>>[snip]
>>>
>>>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics,

>>>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains
to
>>>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>>>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>>>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If
American
>>>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>>>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>>>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>>>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
>>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel
thinking,
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to
Israel.
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.
>
>>>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free

>>>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
>>States, 
>>>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
>>influence 
>>>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
>>if, 
>>>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>>>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>>>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>>>States to Israel's advantage.
>>>
>>>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
>>same 
>>>mass-mediated ridicule?  They are all Christians, for starters.  The

>>>Mideast wars have become one big religious war after all.  Judaism
is 
>>>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
>>Christianity 
>>>in the United States, and so better to oppress the spirit of these
>>people 
>>>as best as they can be catigorized.
>>>
>>>-------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>TEST PATTERN, the newsletter of American ethnic Lebanese and 
>>>Arab-American public opinion -- media's inverted image!
>>>
>>>The most heavily censored American political thought in the latter
>>half 
>>>of the twentieth century:
>>>
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>>>That's $9.95 off the news-stand-less price!!
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>>>
>
>>-- 
>>"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
>>"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
>> BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
>>"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
>>        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"
>I have not had the opportunity of reading such antisemitism, since I
was a
>child and read Der Stuermer in Nazi Germany.
>
>John (Hans)

  That's right, try to stifle debate by bringing Hitler into the
discussion.
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: Re: ISRAEL'S WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, I
Date: 21 Jul 1996 16:26:37 GMT
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In  jmenkes@ucla.edu (John H. Menkes)
writes: 

 . . 

>>In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson

>>writes: 
>>>
>>>TTTTT EEEEE SSSSS TTTTT
>>>  T   E     S       T  
>>>  T   EEEEE SSSSS   T  
>>>  T   E         S   T  
>>>  T   EEEEE SSSSS   T  
>>>
>>>
>>>PPPPP AAAAA TTTTT TTTTT EEEEE RRRR  N   N
>>>P   P A   A   T     T   E     R   R NN  N
>>>PPPPP AAAAA   T     T   EEEEE RRRRR N N N
>>>P     A   A   T     T   E     R   R N  NN 
>>>P     A   A   T     T   EEEEE R   R N   N
>>>
>>>Box 425  Vienna, VA  22183
>>>Copyright 1996
>>>complimentary excerpt
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Tuesday, July 2, 1996
>>>==============================================
>>>
>>>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>>>
>>>We know the Irish; we grew up
>>>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
>>[snip]
>>>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>>>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a
phenomenon
>>>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>>>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>>>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>>>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and
they
>>>all seem to talk funny.
>
>>  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two
decades
>>or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from
modest
>>circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
>>Hollywood Jews. 
>>  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
>>has NEVER won an Academy Award.
>>  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
>>traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
>>special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
>>"Jewcademy."
>
>>>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
>>[snip]
>>>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively
hates
>>>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such
as
>>>Married With Children.
>>>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
>>American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
>>there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
>>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
>>"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of
his
>>films ever made it through the film's editing.
>
>>>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
>>and 
>>>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII

>>>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
>>[snip]
>>> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>>>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>>>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.
>
>>  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in
the
>>establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.
>
>>>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>>>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>>>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.
>
>>>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why
are
>>>they so silent?
>
>>  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
>>they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
>>to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked
and
>>scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.
>
>>>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and
heavily 
>>>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than

>>>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
>>criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
>>crime.  
>
>>  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
>>critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta
rap"-type
>>records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
>>officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers
of
>>some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
>>Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
>>  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
>>or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)
>
>>>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women,

>>>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>>>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>>>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>>>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>>>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>>>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a
long-running
>>>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>>>Jews get along.
>
>>  Yes, this is true.
>>  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media
jumped
>>on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
>>Goldman, was a Jew.
>>  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a
jury
>>than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
>>millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
>>schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
>>[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
>>  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
>>to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
>>Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
>>had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
>>struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their
disgust
>>with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.
>
>
>>>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>>>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
>>in 
>>>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>>>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>>>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to
why 
>>>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>>>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by
Woody 
>>>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy
pork
>>>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American

>>>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees,
showing 
>>>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being
religious, 
>>>faithful and true.
>
>>  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the
best
>>you'll find anywhere.
>>  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the
US
>>media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
>>that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you
knew
>>about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate
media,
>>you wouldn't get this impression, however.
>
>>>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>>>media 
>>>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals
of
>>>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted

>>>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent,
the 
>>>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
>>other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>>>
>>>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
>>that 
>>>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>>>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>>>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American
media
>>>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>>>commentator.
>>>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>>>noticeable, 
>>>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no
ethnic
>>>Arab-Americans. 
>
>>  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
>>Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
>>media capacities.
>
>>>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.
>
>>  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
>>"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 
>
>>>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already
proposed
>>>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>>>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the
absence
>>>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>>>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>>>was peculiar. 
>>>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers
about
>>>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>>>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>>>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>>>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>>>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>>>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  
>
>>  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
>>Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
>>  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
>>Paris of the Middle East," right?
>
>>>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated,
and 
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the
60s
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s
painstakingly
>>>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities. 
As
>>>the only Arabs in America, the 
>>>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
>>[snip]
>>>
>>>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics,

>>>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains
to
>>>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>>>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>>>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If
American
>>>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>>>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>>>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>>>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
>>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel
thinking,
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to
Israel.
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.
>
>>>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free

>>>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
>>States, 
>>>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
>>influence 
>>>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
>>if, 
>>>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>>>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>>>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>>>States to Israel's advantage.
>>>
>>>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
>>same 
>>>mass-mediated ridicule?  They are all Christians, for starters.  The

>>>Mideast wars have become one big religious war after all.  Judaism
is 
>>>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
>>Christianity 
>>>in the United States, and so better to oppress the spirit of these
>>people 
>>>as best as they can be catigorized.
>>>
>>>-------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>TEST PATTERN, the newsletter of American ethnic Lebanese and 
>>>Arab-American public opinion -- media's inverted image!
>>>
>>>The most heavily censored American political thought in the latter
>>half 
>>>of the twentieth century:
>>>
>>>Subscribe now to 52 issues for only $49.95.
>>>That's $9.95 off the news-stand-less price!!
>>>Send check or money order only to:
>>>TEST PATTERN
>>>Box 425
>>>Vienna, VA  22183
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>-- 
>>"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
>>"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
>> BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
>>"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
>>        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"
>I have not had the opportunity of reading such antisemitism, since I
was a
>child and read Der Stuermer in Nazi Germany.
>
>John (Hans)

  That's right, try to stifle debate by bringing Hitler into the
discussion.
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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  [I'm reposting this message -- which I'm not the author of -- as I
believe it's one of the most provocative and disturbing I've seen. --
Joe Buck]

In <4stpsh$btj@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J.
Bumbulis) writes: 
>
>
>
>There are vast amounts of evidence that demonstrate the existence of 
>liberal media bias.  But let's take this a step further.  I recently 
>conducted a word search on a data base known as "Newspaper 
>Abstracts," that contains the contents of 27 major newspapers from 
>1989 to June 13, 1996.  By conducting a word search (that detects 
>words in the title and/or abstract of an article), it becomes clear
that 
>the print media is perpetuating a perception of conservatives as being

>"extreme," while liberals are far less often portrayed as such.  Put 
>simply, the media is nurturing a stereotype that serves the political 
>purposes of the Left.  Here are the results of my search.
>
>
>Word                            # times used
>
>religious right                   963
>religious left                    210
>radical right                     191
>radical left                       98
>far right                         858
>far left                          368
>extremist right                   106
>extremist left                     26
>ultra right                        61
>ultra left                         14
>fringe right                      161
>fringe left                        46
>extreme right                     223
>extreme left                       38
>radical religious right            20
>radical religious left*             2
>
>[*Actually, there is no reference to the radical religious left, as in
both 
>cases cited above, the term 'left' was used as a verb in the abstract,
ie, 
>"the radical religious right left the conference".]
>
>Thus, in every case, the terms "religious," "radical," "far,"
"extremist," 
>"ultra," "fringe," and "extreme" are applied *consistently* more often
to 
>the right than to the left.  In fact, if you add it up, 76% of the
time these 
>labels are applied to the right.  Is it any different if we consider
the 
>nouns 'liberal' and 'conservative'?
>
>
>Word                      # times used
>
>arch conservative              43
>arch liberal                    6
>ultra conservative             74
>ultra liberal                  18
>far right conservative         80
>far left liberal                4
>religious conservative        554
>religious liberal              91
>radical conservative          159
>radical liberal                72
>fringe conservative            59
>fringe liberal                 12
>ultra right conservative       19
>ultra left liberal              1
>
>
>In this case, 83% of the time extremists are portrayed as 
>conservatives.
>
>What if we survey the titles for newspaper articles?  This is 
>especially significant because not everyone reads every article in a 
>paper, but they usually read every title.  Here is a list that
searched 
>titles that begin with the following words.
>
>Words that begin title                             #titles
>
>Radical right                                         9
>Radical left                                          2
>Far right                                            50
>Far left                                              2
>Religious right                                     100
>Religious left                                        1
>Right wing                                           97
>Left wing                                            17
>
>
>Once again, we see the same pattern.  In this case, 92% of newspaper 
>article titles, designed to catch the reader's attention, portray 
>extremists as conservatives.
>
>The Media *are* parroting the vocubulary of leftist politicians.  This
is 
>not surprising given that the Media are predominantly leftist.  
>
>If you are a conservative, and someone accuses you of holding to 
>extremist views, point out to that person that he/she has been shaped 
>by the Media.  Then repost my findings and ask them to start thinking
>for themselves.
>
>
>-- 
>
> 

-- 
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"Jobs. Good jobs." 

-- Michael Dukakis


"It's [the Gulf War's] about jobs."

-- Bush's Sec. of State James Baker

:-)
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In  jmenkes@ucla.edu (John H. Menkes)
writes: 

 . . 

>>In <4smdks$jgs@test-sun.erols.com> e a richardson

>>writes: 
>>>
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>>>Box 425  Vienna, VA  22183
>>>Copyright 1996
>>>complimentary excerpt
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Tuesday, July 2, 1996
>>>==============================================
>>>
>>>1.  The Invisible Lebanese-Americans.
>>>
>>>We know the Irish; we grew up
>>>with the MacDougals, O'Garritys and Ginleys.
>>[snip]
>>>Italians are also quite visible on the American
>>>scene.  One if by pasta, two if by pizza, Little Italy is a
phenomenon
>>>in major cities across the country.  On television, Italian-American
>>>imagery is often used to typify blue collar workers. In the movies,
>>>they are gangsters with fine clothes and fancy cars,sobbing to opera
>>>while slicing off  your fingers.  They don't get no respect, and
they
>>>all seem to talk funny.
>
>>  Even the single most-respected film director of the past two
decades
>>or so -- the Italian-American one-time Catholic seminarian from
modest
>>circumstances, Martin Scorsese -- wasn't "good enough" for the
>>Hollywood Jews. 
>>  Most people would probably find this hard to believe, but Scorsese
>>has NEVER won an Academy Award.
>>  Compare this to Stephen Spielberg who, though his films are
>>traditionally more notable for their use of high-tech animation and
>>special effects, rather than PEOPLE, who's won a handful from the
>>"Jewcademy."
>
>>>  Speaking of no respect, we know the Poles . . . 
>>[snip]
>>>While cinema remains indifferent to them,  Television positively
hates
>>>them, offering a regular tribute of ridicule through programs such
as
>>>Married With Children.
>>>  TV's borscht belt standup comics planted the Polish Joke in the
>>American cultural landscape, and the Polish Joke has been nourished
>>there ever since.  It is the Jewish way of ridiculing the Poles.
>>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  I could never believe that Woody Allen's grossly-anti-Polish
>>"talking-in-his-sleep" outburst, "NO MORE POLISH WOMEN!" in one of
his
>>films ever made it through the film's editing.
>
>>>Probably the Germans have it the worst though.  Not only television
>>and 
>>>cinema, but every form of media regularly carries Nazi this and WWII

>>>that, and Nazis killing Jews, Nazis killing Jews . . . 
>>[snip]
>>> And Germans are widespread in America, offering up to the common
>>>spirit some of our most unique and fascinating cultural icons, from
>>>Amish Communities to gifted and skilled citizens.
>
>>  German soldiers, called Hessians, were admirably instrumental in
the
>>establishment of the US during the 18th Century, in fact.
>
>>>  Again, ubiquitous.  
>>>  And again, Christians, Methodists, with that set of common moral
>>>values so easily shared with the Irish, Italians, Poles.
>
>>>We have to ask by now: why are they so silent?  and the Poles, why
are
>>>they so silent?
>
>>  Really, I've always sympathized most with the Poles, knowing that
>>they -- more than other ethnic groups -- were considered by Hollywood
>>to be so utterly "goyish," and thus were even more brazenly mocked
and
>>scorned by Hollywood's and the media's minions.
>
>>>Media's message to Blacks is repetitive, stupid, violent, and
heavily 
>>>reinforced.  Mainstream Black music is designed to guide rather than

>>>reflect Black culture.  Blacks display prominently in news as
>>criminals involved with guns, drugs, prostitution, rape, and violent
>>crime.  
>
>>  I actually made a post last year about a gutsy Black women -- a
>>critic of Jewish-owned record companies who put out "gangsta
rap"-type
>>records which actually promote and glorify the killing of police
>>officers -- who was being sued by the Jewish executives and lawyers
of
>>some of these very companies she'd criticized for having poisoned 
>>Black communities with their violence-engendering products!
>>  Talk about "chutzpah"! ("Chutzpah" is Yiddish for "incredible gall"
>>or "incredible nerve" and is something much-prized among Jews.)
>
>>>Television prefers to show Black men more interested in white women,

>>>further denigrating and ridiculing Black women in society at large, 
>>>especially in the eyes of Black men.  The ominous, disgusting O.J. 
>>>Simpson `show` was designed as a long-running set of commericals
>>>showing that it is all right for Black men to `kill white chicks`,
>>>because Jews will save and rescue Black men, from justice if
>>>necessary.  In short, the crime of the year turned into a
long-running
>>>commercial to present a mass mediated image of how well Blacks and
>>>Jews get along.
>
>>  Yes, this is true.
>>  Also, it's undeniable that one of the MAJOR reasons the media
jumped
>>on the OJ Simpson Case was that one of his alleged victims, Ronald
>>Goldman, was a Jew.
>>  I have NEVER, EVER seen the media turn so passionately against a
jury
>>than it did after the Simpson verdict was announced. Undoubtedly,
>>millions of Jews worldwide were saying things such as, "Those stupid
>>schvarzes!" as they commiserated with one another after the verdict.
>>[Note: "schvarze" is the Yiddish/Hebrew term for "nigger."] 
>>  It was actually funny at times, in the weeks following the verdict,
>>to see the media's regular Jewish "legal experts" and other assorted
>>Jewish "media mavens" talking about the jury -- which they obviously
>>had contempt for -- as their faces reddened with hatred and they
>>struggled to find "code words" and euphemisms to express their
disgust
>>with the "stupid 'schvarzes' of the OJ jury.
>
>
>>>Jews have the most consistently positive, enlightening, wholesome 
>>>presentations of any ethnic representation on television or anywhere
>>in 
>>>the mass media.  From the regularly broadcast gut-wrenching graphic 
>>>trauma of WWII (staple programs on Public television nationwide)
>>>presenting the image of Jewish victims, to the regular hype as to
why 
>>>Seinfeld is such intellectually clever comedy, media
>>>never has anything more nasty to say about Jews than is said by
Woody 
>>>Allen, a media Jew whose idea of a bad Jew is one who eats greasy
pork
>>>chops.  Media portrays Jews, and only Jews, as middle class American

>>>heroes, eating hot dogs and rooting for the New York Yankees,
showing 
>>>kindness to their families and their fellow Man, and being
religious, 
>>>faithful and true.
>
>>  There ARE many, many Jews who are fine human beings -- among the
best
>>you'll find anywhere.
>>  However, it's true: Hollywood (essentially "run" by Jews) and the
US
>>media rarely show the reality -- that Jews are quite frequently --
>>that's QUITE frequently -- among the scum of the earth. If all you
knew
>>about Jews was from television and the movies and the corporate
media,
>>you wouldn't get this impression, however.
>
>>>To ride the curve from the most prominent ethnic images in American
>>>media 
>>>to the images that are least visible, we cascade through portrayals
of
>>>stupid Chinese, bound by superstition and ritual, to the nearsighted

>>>Swede, lilting along in a clearly exaggerated ridicule of accent,
the 
>>>spiritually misguided American Indian, the Mexican dust-eaters, and
>>other negative smatterings of ethnic diversity.
>>>
>>>The image of the Lebanese is an image of foreign Arabs, suggesting
>>that 
>>>Arabs are foreign to America as well as hostile, along with the 
>>>well-documented host of negative imagery associated with Arabs in
>>>American media.  Even after fifteen years of civil war, American
media
>>>was unable to produce even one ethnic Lebanese national news
>>>commentator.
>>>For national and international news coverage, and especially
>>>noticeable, 
>>>for American news coverage of the Mideast, there simply are no
ethnic
>>>Arab-Americans. 
>
>>  Plenty of Jews, though, such as the ex-JERUSALEM POST writer Wolf
>>Blitzer of CNN . . . and thousands more, both in on-air and off-air
>>media capacities.
>
>>>  There are Arab foreigners, but no Arab Americans.
>
>>  Sure there are: there's Disney's/Eisner's "Aladdin" and there's the
>>"mysterious 'Arab-looking' guy" now known as "John Doe #2." 
>
>>>Not that Lebanese care to be ridiculed any more than already
proposed
>>>by Jewish media.  But in the realm of mass mediated information --
>>>the news about your world from your most trusted source-- the
absence
>>>of Lebanese-Amerian newspersons for national and international news 
>>>reporting from the Mideast, even during 15 years of Lebanese strife,
>>>was peculiar. 
>>>  Lebanese-Americans are most regularly the loudest complainers
about
>>>the level of U.S. aid to Israel, the total cost of which has
>>>skyrocketed well beyond the costs of any other American military
>>>involvement in American history.  Yet the entire Lebanese-American
>>>ethnic population, with roots going back now for many generations in
>>>the United States, were seemingly not able to muster as many as one
>>>native journalist willing to cover those issues.  
>
>>  I'm reminded of the ancestors of the modern-day Lebanese, the 
>>Phoenecians: perhaps the greatest traders the world has ever known.
>>  Beirut: before Israel left it in ruins, it used to be known as "The
>>Paris of the Middle East," right?
>
>>>Not one appeared to be interested.  Yet thinking on these 
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>issues has been rampant in the Lebanese-American community.  These 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>ethnic Lebanese Americans are totally absent from the debate on the 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>most expensive foreign policy issue in American history, mostly 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>because those who dared to speak out were harassed, intimnidated,
and 
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>ruined into silence by nasty little groups of Israel-supported 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>American Jews who saw waging social warfare against their fellow 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Americans as doing their bit for Israel.  But this was back in the
60s
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>and 70s, long after medias audience research of the 50s
painstakingly
>>>documented the characteristics of so many American nationalities. 
As
>>>the only Arabs in America, the 
>>>Lebanese-Americans became the main enemy, unsuspecting targets.
>>[snip]
>>>
>>>  Given media's ability to lavish negative imagery on other ethnics,

>>>perhaps the Lebanese have it good.  But the quesition that remains
to
>>>be asked is many sided.  Why are American ethnics, from the Irish to
>>>the Poles to the Germans, to the Italians to the Blacks, regularly
>>>attacked by the media with religious and ethnic ridicule?  If
American
>>>media is not an Israeli propaganda machine controlled by American
>>>Jews, why does this happen? And why are these media Jews using a set
>>>of demographically precise attacks on American citizens through the
>>>media? American citizens have not been at war with each other since 
>>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>the Civil War, but now we have proof that American Jews are at war 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>with many ethnic Americans, in order to suppress anti-Israel
thinking,
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>and to avoid real debate of American passionate attachment to
Israel.
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>  Sure sounds like "divide and conquer" to me.
>
>>>It has been quite plain for some time now that Israel has had a free

>>>reign over the apparatus of the Jewish propaganda in the United
>>States, 
>>>and probably other countries as well.  The dominance of Jewish
>>influence 
>>>in American media generally is also well-known and documented.  And
>>if, 
>>>as John Lennon asserted, "one and one and one is three," it is not 
>>>difficult to see the extent of damage that Israel has brought upon 
>>>American society in its war to dominate the resources of the United 
>>>States to Israel's advantage.
>>>
>>>What do these groups have in common, that they should all suffer the
>>same 
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is 
>>>surely at war with the very threatening picture of organized
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>>people 
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>>-- 
>>"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
>>"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
>> BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
>>"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
>>        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"
>I have not had the opportunity of reading such antisemitism, since I
was a
>child and read Der Stuermer in Nazi Germany.
>
>John (Hans)

  That's right, try to stifle debate by bringing Hitler into the
discussion.
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 22 12:02:24 PDT 1996
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In  kknopp@citynet.net (Kurt
Knopp) writes: 
>
>In article <4sq6t3$9uj@aphex.direct.ca>, wongr@direct.ca

>wrote:
>
>> gary.nt@ix.netcom.com (ZB) writes:
>> > On Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:15:54 PDT, art adams swanson 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > >
>> > >   has anyone else noticed the max blotchy complexion of our
>> > >great leader.... is this aids?... or measles?.... skkin cancer???
>> > >  he looked terrible during the press briefings on the twa
matter...
>> > >   any doctors care to comment?????
>> > >
>> > What will you rumor mongerers stoop to next?  But on the other
hand,
>> > the Commander in Chief probably thanks you.  It seems every new
rumor
>> > increases his lead in the polls.
>
>Maybe Bill should stop adding fuel to the fire.  He refuses to release
his
>medical records (unlike Presidents of the past) and fired the White
House
>Doctor (a non-partisan position) because he would not inject him with
an
>"unknown substance).
>
>Also Paula Jones claimed that his genitalia had "characteristic
marks". 
>Sounds like an STD to me!
>
>----------------------------------
>Kurt Knopp 
>----------------------------------

  Seriously: I read online (in a Web site, I believe) that Clinton  now
has/just recently contracted influenza for the THIRD time since January
of this year.
  This would support the idea that he's HIV-positive.
  Who knows?
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 22 12:02:25 PDT 1996
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"Jobs. Good jobs." 

-- Michael Dukakis


"It's [the Gulf War's] about jobs."

-- Bush's Sec. of State James Baker

:-)
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <31ed8781.7811158@news.io.com> erotthof@io.com (Eleanor Rotthoff)
writes: 

[snip]

>So far as I am aware, no one has yet quoted Elizabeth Dole as saying,
>"If I didn't kick him in the a** every morning, he'd never get
>anything done" which is what Hillary Clinton said about her husband.

  Can anyone confirm that Hill'obeans actually said this about the
Felon-in-Chief?
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: Who was Shelia Foster Anthony? [forwarded]
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[Forwarded msg. follows. I do not necessarily agree or disagree with
any statements made below, but found this post extremely provocative.
-- Joe Buck]

In  mpark@cannon.com (Marcy Park)
writes: 
>
>
>	************************************************************
>                    Q: Who is Shelia Foster Anthony?
>	************************************************************
>
>	Sheila Foster Anthony is the sister of Vince Foster, the
> dead Deputy White House Counselor. 
>
>	Sheila F. Anthony at the time of her brother's death was 
>Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legislative Affairs, U.S.
Depart-
>ment of Justice.  Besides serving as liaison with Congress, her duties
>included clearance of bills before they are forwarded to the Office
and
>Management and Budget.  She also had a role in selecting nominees for
>positions as U.S. Attorneys, U.S. Marshalls, and Federal Judges.  
>
>	Sheila F. Anthony is the wife of Beryl Anthony.  Beryl Anthony
>is a former Arkansas congressman, former treasurer of the Democratic 
>National Committee, and a lawyer in the Washington D.C. office of the 
>Chicago-based law firm of Winston and Strawn, whose chairman is former

>Governor of Illinois Jim Thompson.  
>	
>
>	Sheila F. Anthony is said to have effected a wire transfer 
>of approximately $286,000 from a branch of Mellon Bank on July 16,
1993, 
>to her sister-in-law, Lisa Foster, the wife of Vince Foster, four days
prior 
>to Vince Foster's death.  
>
>	Large financial transactions, taking place between relations of
>a person whose death is not entirely satisfactorily explained, usually

>generate further inquiries--no manner how possibly innocent the
explanation.
>
>	Particularly if the money is authorized by a top official of the
>Justice Department and paid to the wife of a top official of the White
>House--and the White House official disappears a few days later for a 
>number of hours, before being found dead under mysterious
circumstances.
>
>	This wire transfer is not mentioned in the two volumes of the
1994 
>Senate report on the death of Vince Foster, nor is a likely
explanation 
>suggested by a perusal of their contents.  Lisa Foster *did* tell the
FBI 
>she arrived to set up a permanent residence for her family on June 5,
1993.  
>But if the money was payment on a house, why was this not discussed in
the
>context of Vince Foster's "depression"?  For Lisa also said Vince had,
in 
>the previous week, talked of resigning his White House job--hardly
auspicious 
>circumstances under which to make further financial committments in
the 
>D.C. area.
>
>	Moreover, what was the source of the funds?  Did they represent
the  
>private savings of Sheila F. Anthony or her husband Beryl?  
>
>	Or did they come from a hidden account set up by Vince Foster 
>himself, but now being transferred to his wife for safe-keeping,
because 
>Foster's Swiss account had been recently cleaned out?
>
>	Or was there something even more sinister involved in this
transfer
>of money?
>
>	Let's put this alleged $286,000 wire transfer into chronological 
>perspective:
>
>			July 1, 1993, Thursday  
>	
>	Foster purchases a plane ticket from Washington D.C. to Geneva on

>TWA and Swiss Air.  
>
>			July 2, Friday
>
>	Vince Foster has a dinner at his house, and surprises Sheila 
>Anthony by the secret arrangements he had made to have Sheila's
daughter 
>fly up from Texas to attend the dinner which was in honor of Sheila's 
>confirmation as Assistant Attorney General.
>
>	Around the same date, Vince and Lisa Foster have dinner with
>Sheila and Beryl Anthony at the Cactus Cantina restaurant.
>
>			July 8, Thursday 
>	
>	Swiss Air refunds the purchase price of Foster's ticket. Foster 
>had canceled the trip to Geneva "when he inquired about his numbered
bank 
>account at Banca Della Svizzera Italiana in Chiasso, Switz.--and found
the 
>account empty. Foster was shocked to learn from the bank that someone
using 
>his secret authorization code had withdrawn all $2.73 million he had
stashed 
>there and had moved it to, of all places, the U.S. Treasury" (Jim
Norman, 
>"Fostergate", *Media Bypass Magazine*, August 1995).
>
>			July 11, Sunday  
>			
>	Vince Foster tells his wife Lisa he had written the opening
argument 
>for his defense against a feared congressional probe into his affairs.
 
>According to the Fiske report, Lisa believed this was the torn note
found in 
>Foster's briefcase by Stephen Neuwirth on July 26, six day's after
Foster's 
>death.
>
>			July 12, Monday  
>	
>	Webster Hubbell receives Inslaw's rebuttal to the Bua Report. The

>rebuttal is dated July 11, 1993.
>
>			July 16, Friday 
>	
>	Sheila F. Anthony allegedly receives an approximate $286,000 
>wire transfer from Mellon Bank. She contacts a psychiatrist and tells
him--
>according to the psychiatrist--that Foster is working on "top secret"
issues 
>at the White House, and that "his depression was directly related to
highly 
>sensitive and confidential matters."  But Vince Foster does not visit
the 
>psychiatrist. Instead the name of this psychiatrist, along with the
names of 
>two others, are found in his wallet after his death.
>
>	Clinton has a two hour meeting with Judge Louis Freeh.
>
>	In the evening Vince and Lisa Foster drive to the Tidewater Inn,
>on the eastern shore of Maryland.
>
>		    July 17-18, Saturday & Sunday  
>	
>	Vince and Lisa Foster spend the weekend on Maryland's eastern
shore.  
>By "coincidence" Webster Hubbell also spends the weekend in the area,
and 
>he and Vince Foster meet at the estate of Michael Cardozo, head of
Clinton's 
>legal defense team and son-in-law of prominent Democratic fund-raiser
Nathan 
>Landau.  
>
>	According to the Fiske report, "Lisa Foster stated that the
>weekend did not go particularly well for Foster.  When Foster returned
>on Sunday evening, July 18, he spoke to Lyons by telephone."
>
>	(James M. Lyons was a Little Rock attorney who was Counsel to
>the Clinton-Gore Presidential Transition Planning Foundation. He says
>Foster discussed Travelgate, and they talked about his representing
Foster 
>before Congress.)
>    
>			July 19, Monday 
>			
>	Marsha Scott, Deputy Assistant to the President, spends 1-2 hours
>in a closed door session with Vince Foster.  This is especially noted
by
>Linda Trapp, executive assistant to Bernard Nussbaum, because Foster
rarely
>has meetings this long with any one person.
>	
>	Foster calls Larry Watkins, his physician in Arkansas and says he
>is depressed.  Watkins calls a D.C. pharmacy and has 30 tablets of
DESYREL 
>(Trazodon) delivered to Foster's residence before 6 p.m.
>	
>	At 3:15 p.m. Clinton meets with Janet Reno to discuss the FBI.  
>Afterward he fires FBI Director William Sessions, and appoints Floyd 
>Clark as Acting FBI Director.
>
>	Webster Hubbell stops by Foster's office.  According to
testimony, 
>Hubbell gives Foster a Systematics-related document.
>
>	Monday night Foster goes home earlier than usual.  Bill Clinton 
>calls to invite Vince to a movie back at the White House.  Vince
declines, 
>and has dinner with Lisa.
>
>			July 20, Tuesday 
>	
>	At 9:27 a.m. in the Rose Garden, Clinton nominates Judge Louis
Freeh 
>to be head of FBI.  Clinton commends the FBI on the "remarkably swift
arrest 
>in the World Trade Center bombing" and laments that "drugs continue to
ravage 
>our young people and our streets".
>	
>	In Little Rock, the FBI obtains a warrant to search the Little
Rock 
>offices of David Hale, the head of Capital Management Services. 
>
>	(Hale was a Clinton-appointed municipal judge who charged that 
>James McDougal and Gov. Clinton forced him to give fraudulent SBA
loans 
>to Clinton's friends.  This included $300,000 to a company connected
to 
>Madison Guaranty and run by McDougal's wife, $100,000 of which later
>ended up in a Whitewater Development Co. account.)
>
>	James Lyons calls Foster from Little Rock late morning, but says 
>he was unable to speak to him. Lyons was scheduled to meet with Foster
the 
>following day in Washington D.C. 
>
>	C. Bradley Buck, a partner at the Rose Law Firm, calls Foster.
Buck 
>leaves a message when he is unable to speak to Foster.  Foster calls
back at 
>12:17 p.m. (D.C. time) and leaves a message for Buck. Buck then calls
Foster
>back at 1:00 p.m., but Foster has gone out.  Buck later tells the FBI
his 
>calls related to the blind trust he was working on with Foster for
Bill and 
>Hillary Clinton.  
>
>       At 12:00 Foster asks Linda Tripp, executive assistant to
Bernard 
>Nussbaum, to get him lunch from the cafetaria.  He eats lunch in his
office.  
>At about 1:00 p.m. he emerges with his jacket on and leaves, telling
Tripp, 
>"There are lot's of M&Ms left in there. I'll be back."  
>       
>       Later at 6 p.m. Foster is reported dead, his body found laying
on a 
>steep slope near one of the cannons at Ft. Marcy Park across the
Potomac in 
>Virginia.  His 4-door Honda Accord bearing Arkansas license plate RCN
504   
>is found in the Park parking lot.  The car is registered to Vincent
Foster,
>Jr., 5414 Stonewall Rd., Little Rock, Arkansas 72207.
>	
>       A Park Service employee says that a man in a white contractor
>van had told him that  he had seen a body by the last [second] cannon 
>at Fort Marcy Park. This report was in the form of a 911 telephone 
>call to the Fairfax County Public Safety Communications Center.  The
call 
>was received by dispatcher Marion White at call-taker position 11, at 
>5:59.59 p.m.  
>
>       The Secret Service is notified when a White House
identification
>badge is found in the car.
>	
>       White House staffers Bernard Nussbaum, Patsy Thomasson, and
Maggie 
>Williams rifle Foster's office for "national security matters". The
FBI and 
>the Park Police are kept waiting outside in the hallway. Secret
Service 
>officer Henry O'Neill says he saw Maggie Williams, Hillary's chief of
staff, 
>leave "carrying what I would describe, in her arms and hands, as
folders".  
>Some documents are taken to Hillary's closet upstairs at the White
House.
>
>	The White House releases a statement saying, "The positive
>identification of Mr. Foster's body was provided to the White House
>at approximately 9:55 p.m., and the death was reported by Park Service
>Investigators as an apparent suicide."
>				      
>			July 21, Wednesday
>
>	At 12:50 p.m. in the Rose Garden, Clinton refers to Foster as "my

>friend of 42 years," but as to his intimate friend's [alleged]
suicide, says 
>"there is really no way to know why these things happen".
>
>			July 22, Thursday
>  
>	Robert Brink is appointed Deputy Assistant Attorney General,
Office 
>of Legislative Affairs.
>
>	At the afternoon press briefing, Dee Dee Myers says that the
>Park Service Police had been at the White House that morning; ". . .
what
>they are looking for is anything that would confirm it was a suicide,
>such as a note".
>
>	Deborah Gorham, Vince Foster's secretary, is asked by Bernard
>Nussbaum to help search Foster's file.  She observes that the index
>detailing the Clinton's personal files is missing.
>
>			July 23, Friday
>  
>	In the morning Clinton attends funeral services for Foster at St.

>Andrew's Catholic Church in Little Rock, then travels to Hope,
Arkansas, 
>for the burial.
>
>	At a press briefing at Jack Still's Watermelon Stand in Hope,
>Clinton said that earlier in the day he had met with Win Rockefeller
>whom he had reappointed State Police Commissioner.  (Clinton said he
>had met Win in 1969 when Win's father was governor of Arkansas.)
>
>				* * *
>
>	Sheila Anthony told the FBI on April 4, 1994, that she had
>"no knowledge of Foster having any financial difficulties".
>
>	If Foster had no financial difficulties, then what was the
>alleged $280,000 wire transfer all about?  
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <4t2gdi$elm@zot.io.org> kamamer@zot.io.org (karl mamer) writes: 
>
>joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) writes:
>>   I recall reading on a Web page this past week that Clinton is now
>> suffering from/just contracted his THIRD case of influenza since
>> January of this year.
>
>Actually, we're still waiting for you to demonstrate which
>Canadian economists have stated that the average "goy" family
>pays $300 more for food because of kosher labelling. You never
>did reveal your source.
>
>Found a new windmill to tilt at?

  "Kosher labelling"? Cheesh! Really, you're just too obsessive. 
  Now go wash your hands for the nth time. :-)

>"You know what I wanna do? Strut."
 
  In yo momma's clothes, I'll bet.

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 28 07:10:36 PDT 1996
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In <31f7882e.4152439@nntp.ix.netcom.com> BajaRat@netcom.com (BajaRat)
writes: 
>
>2 dead after truck dumps immigrants 
>Associated Press 
>
>24-Jul-1996 Wednesday 
>
>BUDA, Texas -- An 18-wheeler ferrying about 40 illegal 
>immigrants in its stifling trailer dumped its human cargo 
>at a gas station early yesterday, authorities said. Two 
>men were later found dead, and another was hospitalized. 
>
>Witnesses said the truck pulled into the station about 2 
>a.m., and men and women bolted through the trailer's 
>rear doors. The truck took off, and the people scattered 
>into fields in this farming town of 1,500 about 15 miles 
>south of Austin. 
>
>-end-
>
>-=BajaRat=-
>New URL: http://www.hooked.net/~junior1/mojado/madness.htm
>Viva los Estados Unidos!

  A very tragic incident indeed.
  What's equally as tragic is that this kind of thing is TREMENDOUSLY
facilitated by Wall Street's NAFTA -- which, in my earlier ignorance of
it's specific provisions, I actually supported, unfortunately. 
  I say: keep the would-be "illegal aliens" in Mexico, their homeland,
and let 'em finally recognize that what they should be doing is KICK
OUT THE ULTRA-RICH, ULTRA-CORRUPT, ULTRA-IMMORAL MEXICAN OLIGARCHS WHO
ARE SO CONVENIENTLY SUPPORTED BY *BOTH* THE CLINTON-RUBIN DEMOCRATS
*AND* THE CORPORATE LACKEY CONSERVATIVE-REPUBLICANS SUCH AS LIMBAUGH
AND GING-RICH.
  !VIVA BUCHANAN! !VIVA PEROT! !VIVA THE US CONSTITUTION!
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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In <31f7882e.4152439@nntp.ix.netcom.com> BajaRat@netcom.com (BajaRat)
writes: 
>
>2 dead after truck dumps immigrants 
>Associated Press 
>
>24-Jul-1996 Wednesday 
>
>BUDA, Texas -- An 18-wheeler ferrying about 40 illegal 
>immigrants in its stifling trailer dumped its human cargo 
>at a gas station early yesterday, authorities said. Two 
>men were later found dead, and another was hospitalized. 
>
>Witnesses said the truck pulled into the station about 2 
>a.m., and men and women bolted through the trailer's 
>rear doors. The truck took off, and the people scattered 
>into fields in this farming town of 1,500 about 15 miles 
>south of Austin. 
>
>-end-
>
>-=BajaRat=-
>New URL: http://www.hooked.net/~junior1/mojado/madness.htm
>Viva los Estados Unidos!

  A very tragic incident indeed.
  What's equally as tragic is that this kind of thing is TREMENDOUSLY
facilitated by Wall Street's NAFTA -- which, in my earlier ignorance of
it's specific provisions, I actually supported, unfortunately. 
  I say: keep the would-be "illegal aliens" in Mexico, their homeland,
and let 'em finally recognize that what they should be doing is KICK
OUT THE ULTRA-RICH, ULTRA-CORRUPT, ULTRA-IMMORAL MEXICAN OLIGARCHS WHO
ARE SO CONVENIENTLY SUPPORTED BY *BOTH* THE CLINTON-RUBIN DEMOCRATS
*AND* THE CORPORATE LACKEY CONSERVATIVE-REPUBLICANS SUCH AS LIMBAUGH
AND GING-RICH.
  !VIVA BUCHANAN! !VIVA PEROT! !VIVA THE US CONSTITUTION!
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 28 16:58:07 PDT 1996
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In <4tf303$h7@news-f.iadfw.net> act365@airmail.net (S Bau) writes: 
>
>
>
>  With every effort to save the Middle East peace, our leaders will go
>to every avenue to pin the blame on fellow Americans,  IE : White
>Males. According to the Feds that was the voice on the 911 call. When
>asked about an Iranian female who was detained, the answer was " next
>question ".  I don't live in the Middle East, and feel our countries
>safety is more important than upsetting a country whose people wash
>their hands after shaking ours.
>
>  Jeff
>

  I agree, seeing that Fed -- HIMSELF a white male -- say that the
pre-explosion caller apparently was a "white male" was OUTRAGEOUS.
Here's why:
1.  Unlike a visual ID -- which itself can be seriously prone to error 
    (e.g. someone may be ID'd as "Black" who is, in reality, a         
    dark-skinned White person) -- an ID based merely on the audible    
    characteristics of a SEVERAL-SECOND TELEPHONED BOMB THREAT is so   
    weak as to be ludicrous. Certainly, that FBI guy who told reporters
    the Feds ID's a "White male" as the caller was totally             
    irresponsible.
    In fact,I feel that the "white male" FBI agent who announced this  
    ID should be interrogated for possible involvement in the bombing. 
    ;-)

2.  While it MIGHT have been permissable for the FBI spokesperson to ID
    the caller gender-wise as "apparently a male" (who knows?: it      
    coulda been a deep-voiced woman) or ethnically as, say,            
    "Israeli-sounding," a purely RACIAL identification was out of line.
    
3.  Who hasn't seen those devices, easily available at shopping malls  
  everywhere and by mail-order, which alter caller's voices?
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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[forwarded]

In <31fb73d3.3704801@nntp.ix.netcom.com> BajaRat@netcom.com (BajaRat)
writes: 
>
>FOX TO INSPECT HEN HOUSE!!!!!!!!!
>
>Sunday, July 28, 1996 
>Los Angeles Times
>
>Director of Gatekeeper Probe Is Appointed 
>
>Border: Veteran U.S. prosecutor will lead investigation of 
>claims  that statistics were falsified to portray illegal
>immigration crackdown as a success. 
>
>By ANNE-MARIE O'CONNOR, Times Staff Writer
>
>     The U.S. Department of Justice is dispatching a veteran 
>federal prosecutor to San Diego today to lead an investigation 
>into allegations that U.S. immigration officials are falsifying 
>arrest reports and statistics to present Operation Gatekeeper 
>as a success, a senior official said. 
>
>      Michael Bromwich, the inspector general for the Department 
>of Justice, said its probe will be directed by Barbara Grewe, an
>assistant U.S. attorney in Washington, D.C., who will spend three 
>days in San Diego this week and return shortly to take up 
>residence until the investigation is completed, he said. 
>
>      Grewe is known for directing the Justice Department
>investigation into the extent of involvement by its personnel 
>in the "Good Old Boys Roundup," an annual social gathering 
>of law enforcement officials marked by reports of lewd and 
>racist behavior, Bromwich said. 
>     
>      He said her appointment was "a sign of the seriousness of 
>this investigation." 
>
>      "She's somebody who rolls up her sleeves and gets her 
>hands dirty and I want her out there," Bromwich said. 
>
>      Bromwich said the Justice Department investigation will 
>be conducted jointly with the Immigration and Naturalization 
>Service, which began to look into the reports July 1. He said 
>he was unsure how long the review will take. 
>
>      "We know people want answers and we will get them as 
>quickly as possible," Bromwich said. "I will not let the 
>elections hurry us up. This will not be a politically grounded
>investigation." 
>
>      Presidential politics have heated the debate over the
>effectiveness of Operation Gatekeeper, a crackdown on 
>illegal immigration in western San Diego County begun in 
>October 1994. 
>
>      Leaders of the National Border Patrol Council, the union
>that represents agents, have alleged that some Border Patrol 
>agents have complained to them of pressure to manipulate 
>data to reflect a downturn in arrests in western San Diego 
>County in order to make Operation Gatekeeper appear more 
>strategically effective. T.J. Bonner, president of the council, 
>has accused Border Patrol supervisors of trying to "look the 
>other way" when immigrants pass by and reporting fewer 
>immigrants than they actually catch. 
>
>      Bonner says some agents have reported that immigrants 
>captured on the western edge have been shipped to eastern 
>San Diego County to make it appear that Operation Gatekeeper 
>has succeeded in deterring them from crossing the border in 
>western areas like Imperial Beach and San Ysidro. 
>
>      The Justice Department recently concluded an 11-month 
>inquiry into allegations that senior officials in Miami engaged 
>in a frantic eleventh-hour cleanup of the Krome Detention 
>Center by senior INS officials in preparation for a congressional
>visit. 
>
>      A number of INS administrators were implicated in ordering 
>the transfer or release of a third of the detainees at Krome,
>including some with criminal backgrounds. 
>
>      INS Commissioner Doris Meissner said that investigation is 
>now at the disciplinary stages. 
>
>-end-
>
>Courtesy of VCT - http://www.instanet.com/~vct/
>-=BajaRat=-
>
>STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION NOW!
>http://www.hooked.net/~junior1/mojado/madness.htm
>
>
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 28 16:58:08 PDT 1996
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: PLEASE: Stop using terms like 'wetback,' 'mojado,' etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
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  As a "right-wing populist" who's strongly opposed to illegal
immigration -- and am further outraged by the HUGE number of illegal
aliens who are now in the US on welfare, committing further crimes,
receiving Food Stamps, free medical care, etc. when they should be home
(e.g. Mexico) throwing out the corrupt elites in their homelands
instead of mooching off the US taxpayers -- I URGE others who also
oppose such abuses to STOP using derogatory, racist terms such as
"wetback," "mojado" and such.
  IMO, "illegal alien" or "trespasser" or even "foreign invader" are
appropriate terms; "wetback," etc. are NOT.
 BTW, I sure wish Bill "CIA" Clinton and Treasury Secretary Robert
Rubin (a Wall Street multi-millionaire who *earned* his huge fortune
during the "Decade of Greed," the 1980's) would have given that $50
billion Mexican-Elites "peso bailout" money DIRECTLY to dirt-poor
Mexicans as cash gifts (since they apparently feel the US taxpayers
>from  whom the $50 billion was obtained are not entitled to it in any
case.) 
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: Re: U.S./U.K. Secret Surveillance of ALL JEWS
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In <4th9jb$6j3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
marshald@worldnet.att.net (Doug) writes: 

>  In the recent book by John Loftus and Mark Aarons called "The
>Secret War Against the Jews (How Western Espionage Betrayed the
>Jewish People)" (St. Martin's Press, 1994), the following well
>documented quote appears:
>
>       "For the last fifty years, virtually every Jewish Citizen,
>organization, and charity in the world has been the victim of
>electronic surveillance by Great Britian, with the knowing and
>willing assistance of the intelligence services of the United
>States."

  Talk about crazy paranoia!
  It'd be MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more productive, IMO, to talk about the
VERIFIED, PROVEN, ON-THE-RECORD sureveillance that goes on TODAY -- by
well-financed Jewish organizations -- of American citizens who are
critical of Israel or who are otherwise bizarrely branded as
"anti-Semitic". 
  FOR EXAMPLE: the case in San Francisco a few years back when just
such a major Jewish organization was PROVEN to have hired a private
investigator FOR YEARS to spy on US citizens -- committing numerous
crimes in the process, as I recall.
  I sure hope someone out there can provide the details of the case as
they were revealed in the media at the time the story broke (i.e. the
name of the paid PI, the name of the Jewish organization that paid him
to spy on American citizens, dates, etc.)
  Oh, BTW, I've seen and read reviews about the Loftus/Aarons book.
It's not *that* "recent," having been published a few years ago, I
believe.
   It seems incredibly ironic that they would have sub-titled their
book "How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People." That's because
virtually all my Jewish friends and acquaintances through the years
seem to feel that it was the "well-to-do" Jews of Germany who "sold
out" and otherwise "betrayed" both their poorer brethren inside Germany
AND the Jews of Eastern Europe and the USSR, who were so terribly
victimized by the Nazis. 
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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Subject: Re: When in doubt,blame a " White Male "
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In <4tf303$h7@news-f.iadfw.net> act365@airmail.net (S Bau) writes: 
>
>
>
>  With every effort to save the Middle East peace, our leaders will go
>to every avenue to pin the blame on fellow Americans,  IE : White
>Males. According to the Feds that was the voice on the 911 call. When
>asked about an Iranian female who was detained, the answer was " next
>question ".  I don't live in the Middle East, and feel our countries
>safety is more important than upsetting a country whose people wash
>their hands after shaking ours.
>
>  Jeff
>

  I agree, seeing that Fed -- HIMSELF a white male -- say that the
pre-explosion caller apparently was a "white male" was OUTRAGEOUS.
Here's why:
1.  Unlike a visual ID -- which itself can be seriously prone to error 
    (e.g. someone may be ID'd as "Black" who is, in reality, a         
    dark-skinned White person) -- an ID based merely on the audible    
    characteristics of a SEVERAL-SECOND TELEPHONED BOMB THREAT is so   
    weak as to be ludicrous. Certainly, that FBI guy who told reporters
    the Feds ID's a "White male" as the caller was totally             
    irresponsible.
    In fact,I feel that the "white male" FBI agent who announced this  
    ID should be interrogated for possible involvement in the bombing. 
    ;-)

2.  While it MIGHT have been permissable for the FBI spokesperson to ID
    the caller gender-wise as "apparently a male" (who knows?: it      
    coulda been a deep-voiced woman) or ethnically as, say,            
    "Israeli-sounding," a purely RACIAL identification was out of line.
    
3.  Who hasn't seen those devices, easily available at shopping malls  
  everywhere and by mail-order, which alter caller's voices?
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


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[forwarded]

In <31fb73d3.3704801@nntp.ix.netcom.com> BajaRat@netcom.com (BajaRat)
writes: 
>
>FOX TO INSPECT HEN HOUSE!!!!!!!!!
>
>Sunday, July 28, 1996 
>Los Angeles Times
>
>Director of Gatekeeper Probe Is Appointed 
>
>Border: Veteran U.S. prosecutor will lead investigation of 
>claims  that statistics were falsified to portray illegal
>immigration crackdown as a success. 
>
>By ANNE-MARIE O'CONNOR, Times Staff Writer
>
>     The U.S. Department of Justice is dispatching a veteran 
>federal prosecutor to San Diego today to lead an investigation 
>into allegations that U.S. immigration officials are falsifying 
>arrest reports and statistics to present Operation Gatekeeper 
>as a success, a senior official said. 
>
>      Michael Bromwich, the inspector general for the Department 
>of Justice, said its probe will be directed by Barbara Grewe, an
>assistant U.S. attorney in Washington, D.C., who will spend three 
>days in San Diego this week and return shortly to take up 
>residence until the investigation is completed, he said. 
>
>      Grewe is known for directing the Justice Department
>investigation into the extent of involvement by its personnel 
>in the "Good Old Boys Roundup," an annual social gathering 
>of law enforcement officials marked by reports of lewd and 
>racist behavior, Bromwich said. 
>     
>      He said her appointment was "a sign of the seriousness of 
>this investigation." 
>
>      "She's somebody who rolls up her sleeves and gets her 
>hands dirty and I want her out there," Bromwich said. 
>
>      Bromwich said the Justice Department investigation will 
>be conducted jointly with the Immigration and Naturalization 
>Service, which began to look into the reports July 1. He said 
>he was unsure how long the review will take. 
>
>      "We know people want answers and we will get them as 
>quickly as possible," Bromwich said. "I will not let the 
>elections hurry us up. This will not be a politically grounded
>investigation." 
>
>      Presidential politics have heated the debate over the
>effectiveness of Operation Gatekeeper, a crackdown on 
>illegal immigration in western San Diego County begun in 
>October 1994. 
>
>      Leaders of the National Border Patrol Council, the union
>that represents agents, have alleged that some Border Patrol 
>agents have complained to them of pressure to manipulate 
>data to reflect a downturn in arrests in western San Diego 
>County in order to make Operation Gatekeeper appear more 
>strategically effective. T.J. Bonner, president of the council, 
>has accused Border Patrol supervisors of trying to "look the 
>other way" when immigrants pass by and reporting fewer 
>immigrants than they actually catch. 
>
>      Bonner says some agents have reported that immigrants 
>captured on the western edge have been shipped to eastern 
>San Diego County to make it appear that Operation Gatekeeper 
>has succeeded in deterring them from crossing the border in 
>western areas like Imperial Beach and San Ysidro. 
>
>      The Justice Department recently concluded an 11-month 
>inquiry into allegations that senior officials in Miami engaged 
>in a frantic eleventh-hour cleanup of the Krome Detention 
>Center by senior INS officials in preparation for a congressional
>visit. 
>
>      A number of INS administrators were implicated in ordering 
>the transfer or release of a third of the detainees at Krome,
>including some with criminal backgrounds. 
>
>      INS Commissioner Doris Meissner said that investigation is 
>now at the disciplinary stages. 
>
>-end-
>
>Courtesy of VCT - http://www.instanet.com/~vct/
>-=BajaRat=-
>
>STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION NOW!
>http://www.hooked.net/~junior1/mojado/madness.htm
>
>
>

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 29 14:40:09 PDT 1996
Article: 71841 of alt.conspiracy
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From: joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
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Subject: PLEASE: Stop using terms like 'wetback,' 'mojado,' etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
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  As a "right-wing populist" who's strongly opposed to illegal
immigration -- and am further outraged by the HUGE number of illegal
aliens who are now in the US on welfare, committing further crimes,
receiving Food Stamps, free medical care, etc. when they should be home
(e.g. Mexico) throwing out the corrupt elites in their homelands
instead of mooching off the US taxpayers -- I URGE others who also
oppose such abuses to STOP using derogatory, racist terms such as
"wetback," "mojado" and such.
  IMO, "illegal alien" or "trespasser" or even "foreign invader" are
appropriate terms; "wetback," etc. are NOT.
 BTW, I sure wish Bill "CIA" Clinton and Treasury Secretary Robert
Rubin (a Wall Street multi-millionaire who *earned* his huge fortune
during the "Decade of Greed," the 1980's) would have given that $50
billion Mexican-Elites "peso bailout" money DIRECTLY to dirt-poor
Mexicans as cash gifts (since they apparently feel the US taxpayers
>from  whom the $50 billion was obtained are not entitled to it in any
case.) 
  
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 31 14:32:29 PDT 1996
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In <4tm5hc$fvb@news.cic.net> jad@etext.org (John DiNardo) writes: 

[snip]

>"Terrorism" is their catchword now. And, by the way, if you've
>watched STAR TREK for the past nine episodes -- everybody who is
>disillusioned with the government is labeled a "terrorist" now.

  How true, especially when one's referring to the in-power Leftists'
(i.e. the Clintons', et al) attitudes towards middle-class Americans
who are just sick of the Government's treason against its own people.
  Along these same lines, didja know that everyone who merely
criticizes a pet leftist project/person/idea is now a "basher"? Since
"bashing" means "to hit," it would not surprise me if the pc mavens
soon attempt to make it a crime to "bash" their sacred cows.
  Then again, they've ALREADY gotten lots of their "hate crimes"
legislation passed. :-(
  
[snip]
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 31 14:32:35 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: FREE BOB DOLE CAMPAIGN MATERIAL !!
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In <4tm622$dkr@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> duffster@ix.netcom.com(daniel w
garstecki) writes: 

[snip]

>Free Bob Dole campaign material, tshirts, brochures,
>buttons,stickers,etc.

[snip]

  Makes great toilet paper!
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 31 14:32:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: Drugs in the White House [forwarded]
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[forwarded]

In <96073009452112686@gco.com> elefanceros@gco.com (Elefanceros)
writes: 
>
>Our Nomination for the Drug-Ridden-White-House Story of the Month:
>
>Investor's Business Daily - Monday July 29, 1996
>
>From their editorial page:
>
>"It's bad enough that the Clinton team hired dozens of
>people who'd used drugs in the year before joining the
>White House.  Worse is the defense of this conduct by
>President Clinton's top aides.
>
>"To grant security passes to some recent drug users, the
>White House overruled the Secret Service.  Even when
>crack cocaine showed up in staffer's FBI reports, the
>Clinton team issued passes.
>
>"The White House notes that such staffers got clearance
>only if they entered a special drug-testing program.
>In other words, what's the big deal?
>
>"The very fact the the White House has had to monitor
>its staff to keep drug abusers clean IS an big deal.
>Indeed, it's surreal:  This is the WHITE HOUSE we're
>talking about.  Why hire crackheads in the first place,
>especially when you must have hundreds of qualified
>applicants?
>
>"Moreover, the White House didn't set up the drug-testing
>program on its own.  It only did so after Rep. Frank
>Wolf, R-Va, forced it to admit, in March 1994, that
>press secretary Dee Dee Myers and more than 100 other
>staffers had failed to get final security clearance.
>
>"Even White House Personnel Security chief Craig Livingstone,
>the guy in charge of issuing passes, had drug problems.
>In fact, "recreational" drug use, as he explains it, held
>up his own FBI clearance.
>
>"The Clintonites have stonewalled on the drug issue for years.
>They put Wolf off for months. One stall: In October, 1993,
>then-Chief of Staff Thomas McLarty said he couldn't work with
>Wolf because 'identities of holders of passes to the White
>House are confidential.'
>
>"How could the White House get away with such lax security?
>Many in the media find the whole subject too distasteful
>to even mention:  In March 1994, House Speaker Newt
>Gingrich mentioned on the weekend news shows that he'd
>heard of problems stemming from past drug use - and was
>pilloried by White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta
>for throwing 'reckless charges', 'smear' and 'innuendo'.
>
>"Had no one told Panetta he had drug users on staff, or did
>he mean to mislead America by suggesting Gingrich was
>off base?
>
>"The White House's casual disregard for drug use is not just
>some cute counterculture thing.  And people like former
>White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich aren't 'fuddy-duddies'
>as one Democratic Party leader called him, for complaining
>about it.
>
>"It's a moral reflection of the man in charge.  And Clinton's
>policies and appointees have also been soft on drugs.  Rep.
>Charles Rangel, who represents Harlem, has said, 'I have
>never, never, never seen a president who cares less
>about this issue.'...."
>
>Elefanceros
>
>+--------------------------------------------------------------+
>      "If you're not hearing about what's wrong with the
>  Clinton Administration, you must be getting your news from
>                    from Mike Wallace."
>+--------------------------------------------------------------+

-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 31 14:47:02 PDT 1996
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In <4tm5hc$fvb@news.cic.net> jad@etext.org (John DiNardo) writes: 

[snip]

>"Terrorism" is their catchword now. And, by the way, if you've
>watched STAR TREK for the past nine episodes -- everybody who is
>disillusioned with the government is labeled a "terrorist" now.

  How true, especially when one's referring to the in-power Leftists'
(i.e. the Clintons', et al) attitudes towards middle-class Americans
who are just sick of the Government's treason against its own people.
  Along these same lines, didja know that everyone who merely
criticizes a pet leftist project/person/idea is now a "basher"? Since
"bashing" means "to hit," it would not surprise me if the pc mavens
soon attempt to make it a crime to "bash" their sacred cows.
  Then again, they've ALREADY gotten lots of their "hate crimes"
legislation passed. :-(
  
[snip]
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 31 15:17:15 PDT 1996
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In <4tm622$dkr@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> duffster@ix.netcom.com(daniel w
garstecki) writes: 

[snip]

>Free Bob Dole campaign material, tshirts, brochures,
>buttons,stickers,etc.

[snip]

  Makes great toilet paper!
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"


From joebuck@ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 31 15:34:01 PDT 1996
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In <4tm5hc$fvb@news.cic.net> jad@etext.org (John DiNardo) writes: 

[snip]

>"Terrorism" is their catchword now. And, by the way, if you've
>watched STAR TREK for the past nine episodes -- everybody who is
>disillusioned with the government is labeled a "terrorist" now.

  How true, especially when one's referring to the in-power Leftists'
(i.e. the Clintons', et al) attitudes towards middle-class Americans
who are just sick of the Government's treason against its own people.
  Along these same lines, didja know that everyone who merely
criticizes a pet leftist project/person/idea is now a "basher"? Since
"bashing" means "to hit," it would not surprise me if the pc mavens
soon attempt to make it a crime to "bash" their sacred cows.
  Then again, they've ALREADY gotten lots of their "hate crimes"
legislation passed. :-(
  
[snip]
-- 
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
 BMW . . .  THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'" 
        -- "Glengarry Glen Ross"



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