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From ruthsommer@aol.com Wed Jul 10 12:39:42 PDT 1996
Article: 49457 of alt.revisionism
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From: ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer)
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Subject: New Irving book!
Date: 10 Jul 1996 11:20:34 -0400
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I just heard that David Irving is writing a new book called "ROOSEVELT'S
WAR".  He has earlier written "HITLER'S WAR" and "CHURCHILL'S WAR" (in two
volumes) and this will be the third in this trilogy (sort of a trilogy
anyway).

Does anyone here know any details of this, when it is expected to be
published, and so on?

I hear he is still looking for an American publisher for his "GOEBBELS"
biography.  My copy is the Focal Point (London) slipcased edition, which I
had to import.  It really is very good, vastly better than the 'history'
books on Goebbels that I still see in Barnes & Noble, Crown, and other
bookstores.

The Jewish pressure groups who are apparently trying to control what is
published in the USA seem to have the publishing community terrified of
them.  Why do Jews do this, anyway?  Are they trying to lend credence to
the 'Jewish conspiracy' and 'Jewish control' theories?  It sure looks like
it.


From ruthsommer@aol.com Wed Jul 10 12:39:43 PDT 1996
Article: 49459 of alt.revisionism
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From: ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer)
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Subject: Email 'bombings'?
Date: 10 Jul 1996 11:14:27 -0400
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I have just heard about 'email bombings' in which people who are
revisionist are getting subscribed to scores of listservs, without their
permission or desire.

A revisionist will go online, check his or her email, and find hundreds
upon hundreds of messages from listservs he or she has never heard of. 
The deluge of messages fills up the email box and legitimate messages are
bounced back to the sender.  Some of the listservs subscribed to are
pornographic etc.  Really filthy stuff.

If anti-revisionists are doing this to revisionists, what does it mean? 
That they can't answer revisionist postings rationally?  That they feel
the need to harass revisionists?

Some of the listserv sysops realize what is happening and don't like it. 
I've heard that they've passed on the headers of the 'subscribe' requests
to the intended addressees.

This seems to be a new (or old?  I don't know) way to harass holders of
viewpoints opposed to the Holocaust.  Sickening and pathetic, I think.  I
thought I'd heard it all, but I guess not.


From ruthsommer@aol.com Wed Jul 10 12:42:50 PDT 1996
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From: ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer)
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Subject: Email 'bombings'?
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I have just heard about 'email bombings' in which people who are
revisionist are getting subscribed to scores of listservs, without their
permission or desire.

A revisionist will go online, check his or her email, and find hundreds
upon hundreds of messages from listservs he or she has never heard of. 
The deluge of messages fills up the email box and legitimate messages are
bounced back to the sender.  Some of the listservs subscribed to are
pornographic etc.  Really filthy stuff.

If anti-revisionists are doing this to revisionists, what does it mean? 
That they can't answer revisionist postings rationally?  That they feel
the need to harass revisionists?

Some of the listserv sysops realize what is happening and don't like it. 
I've heard that they've passed on the headers of the 'subscribe' requests
to the intended addressees.

This seems to be a new (or old?  I don't know) way to harass holders of
viewpoints opposed to the Holocaust.  Sickening and pathetic, I think.  I
thought I'd heard it all, but I guess not.


From ruthsommer@aol.com Mon Jul 15 07:12:43 PDT 1996
Article: 50363 of alt.revisionism
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From: ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer)
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Subject: Jewish influence in publishing, media
Date: 15 Jul 1996 04:07:07 -0400
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>From: Alec Grynspan 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Subject: Re: New Irving book!
>Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:23:13 -0400
>
>Ummmm - MATT! WAKE UP!!!!
>
>You have just required that the entire Jewish population of the Excited
>States be in the publishing industry.

Matt was pointing out that New York City has a large Jewish population
and that they have a tremendous influence in publishing there.  The
New York City publishing houses publish the overwhelming majority
of the books that come out.  I don't know what the percentage is but
even you must agree that it is very high.

So, is this a good thing where 4% of America's population can have
this big influence in publishing?  This 4% of the population that are
Jewish can virtually tell the rest of us what we can read.

>In which case - who's in the movie industry? You know - the industry
>that had a Jewish Majority last month. Or is it the TV industry - which
>month was that?
>
>Bad news, Matt! There aren't enough Jews to do all that.

Are you saying that Jews don't have an overwhelming influence in
Hollywood movie and tv industry?  "AN EMPIRE OF THEIR OWN:
HOW THE JEWS INVENTED HOLLYWOOD" by Neal Gabler tells
us everything we need to know about it.  Everybody knows that
what Hollywood produces is what Jews say should be produced
since they are the ones running most of it.  We all know it, every
actor and actress knows it, every director knows it, but nobody
is allowed to say it.  It's crazy.

Marlon Brando said it but because he isn't Jewish he was attacked.
He would up in tears and begging forgiveness.  He had said that
Jews run Hollywood but never allow criticism of Jews.  He was right.

There is a lot of filth and garbage coming out of Hollywood and a
long series of Holocaust movies and documentaries.  Is there a
correlation between this and the fact that most of the producers
and movie cartel owners are Jewish?  I don't know but maybe we
should start getting concerned about this.

Matt said:
>>         It is a presumption of the activist American Jewery that
nothing should
>> be permitted to be published in any form that casts any negative light
>> upon anything even smelling of Jewish.

Alec said:
>"Matt Giwer commits pederasty and gave 17 children AIDS." That casts a
>negative light on you, Matt. If I put it up on a billboard in your
>neighbourhood, will you try to harass me to get rid of it?

What Matt said was true.  There is very little criticism of Jews in the
major media, very little objectivity, very little fair reporting on any
issues
that concern Jews.  Practically everything is from a Jewish perspective.


From ruthsommer@aol.com Mon Jul 15 07:12:44 PDT 1996
Article: 50364 of alt.revisionism
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From: ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer)
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Subject: Re: Email 'bombings'?
Date: 15 Jul 1996 04:07:47 -0400
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>From: rjg@d31sg0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green)
>Subject: Re: Email 'bombings'?
>Date: 10 Jul 1996 10:26:47 -0700
>
>You may be able to get information from the list manager about the
>headers of the messages sent to sign you up.  If you can find out who
>did it, you should report them to their provider.  If you are on a unix
>system, procmail can help you deal with such abuse.

That's what I thought too, but apparently the 'bombers' are using
anonymous-type addresses that are difficult to trace.  By the time
they are traced, they have already given up those IDs and done the
same nasty stuff with completely new ones.

If they hate the revisionists so much, they can either argue with them
as rational people, or they can just tune out of alt.revisionism.  Doing
this mail bombing thing is juvenile.  It also makes Jews look bad and
makes Jews look like censors and repressors of opinions that Jews
don't like.

Maybe the mail bombers are Jewish teenagers with nothing better
to do.  The responsible Jews here should get on them and put a
stop to this.

>I'm glad to hear that you are opposed to the Holocaust.

I'm opposed to any Holocaust.  I'm opposed to lying about any
Holocaust.  I'm opposed to any one group dominating discussions,
censoring discussions, or twisting history to suit their group agendas.

>You haven't posted in quite some time.  You may have missed my apology
>for insinuating that you and Mr. Ehrlich were the same person.

I am Ruth.  I don't know any 'Mr Ehrlich'.  I don't have the time to read
all
of the postings here and I haven't seen any by him.  I didn't even see
your
apology but I'll accept it anyway.  I have things to do in my garden,
laundry,
cooking, and thousands of other chores, and I can't come here every day
and put up thousands of postings like some of the anti-revisionists are
doing full-time.  Be reasonable and don't expect me or anybody else
to be able to see every posting.


From ruthsommer@aol.com Mon Jul 15 07:12:44 PDT 1996
Article: 50365 of alt.revisionism
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From: ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Bookburnings!
Date: 15 Jul 1996 04:07:49 -0400
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I get a newsletter called SMITH'S REPORT which is put out by Bradley Smith
of CODOH (Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust).  The current issue
has an article in it about something that is very disturbing.

In Germany a book called "GRUNDLAGEN ZUR ZEITGESCHICHTE" has been
banned by a German judge, and the judge ordered that all copies of it be
BURNED.  The editor of the book was being prosecuted for publishing it
and the judge came up with this doozie as part of the general punishment.

I have a copy of this book.  It's a collection of revisionist essays,
including
forensic reports.  It disturbs me to know that while this book is sitting
here
on my bookshelf, in another 'free democracy' it is being BURNED.  I wonder
how long it will be before the Anti-Defamation League, the Simon
Wiesenthal
Center, and other Jewish groups, will manage to get this kind of
repression
going over here in the USA too?  It's what they want, isn' it?

Burning books because the opinions or facts inside of them offends
powerful
special interest groups (in this case Jews) is disgraceful.  I think that
every
single person in this Newsgroup should condemn this absolutely, both
revisionist and anti-revisionist.

Ok, I am the first one:  I condemn book burnings!

Who's next?  I want to see scores of people joining with me on this.



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