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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 21 21:36:25 PDT 1996
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When Ken McVay etc. is charged with distributing illegal materials,
will they give in or fight the charges, if so, on what grounds?
There's an opportunity for the Nizkor gang to serve the public as
anti-censorship activists if they choose to fight the charges.
I mean we're talking about long terms here, for their organized
criminal activites in Canada and Germany, at least, considering
that their offenses are more extensive than Gerhard Lauck's.  And
Canada and Germany are going to quite angry that they we're tricked
by an organized gang of Neo-Nazis distributing illegal Nazi para-
phernalia.


























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 22 02:25:33 PDT 1996
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Subject: Ken McVay and Rich Graves support censorship
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Rich Graves  has stated that he believes that only
government can censor and not business.

Ken McVay  has advocated the imprisonment of people
who have been harrassed by the police solely for distributing the same
illegal propaganda as he does from his own server.

These two positions together make a strong advocacy of censorship.  The
credibility of these extreme anti-racists as anti-censorship advocates is
not very much.  They only take that line when they interpret anticensor-
ship incidents to be favourable to their personal political opinions.




Racists oppose censorship!
Led Zeppelin is white power music!




























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 22 13:03:42 PDT 1996
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Anti-racists' lied about how Jews didn't have the privilege to exhibit
Menorahs in Beverly Hills.  That city is Jewish and denied religious
exhibits by racists until the courtroom defeat by the American Jewish
committee.  The Jews responsible then praised the ruling lying about
the privilage they had since 1986 when the group started.
































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 07:04:10 PDT 1996
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>You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity
>
>by Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>Minnesota is the land of my recent ancestors, who settled there in
>the 19th century after leaving Norway. It is a land of hard-
>working, honest, open, and often naive White people. In fact, it is
>one of the Whitest states in the nation. Largely insulated from the
>ugly reality of multiracialism, Minnesotans tend to believe what
>they are told by their television sets and by their churches and so
>they are often liberal on racial issues.
>
>Like everywhere else in America, in Minnesota it is almost
>impossible to escape New World Order race-mixing propaganda. It
>is in the newspapers, on television, in most new books in the
>bookstores and libraries, etc. etc. One place it is truly impossible
>to escape it is in the public schools, where innocent White
>children, forced to attend, receive the most intense dose of anti-
>White propaganda it is possible to imagine.
>
>A few weeks ago I told you about a Minnesota mother who wrote
>in exasperation to the editor of her local paper, wondering why
>European traditions at Christmastime were forbidden to be
>celebrated in her daughter's school, whereas her child had actually
>brought home extensive lesson material on Hanukkah, the
>synthetic African festival called Kwanza, and an unpronouncable
>celebration previously known only to Hmong tribesman of
>Southeast Asia. It seems that the schools are trying their very
>best to tell that child that not only are her family's and people's
>traditions unmentionable, unacceptable, and at best unimportant;
>they are also telling her that it is of utmost importance that she
>learn the traditions and festivals of others: Jews, Blacks, Asians -- 
>the list is nearly endless. What an evil and psychologically
>crippling thing to do that little girl!
>
>I have been in the halls of Minnesota schools, and I can tell you
>that the anti-White program is in full swing even in schools that
>are nearly 100 per cent. White. Nearly all feature posters of that
>Communist functionary and traitor even to his own people,
>"Martin Luther" King. In some case, our little boys and girls are
>taught for all practical purposes a new religion in which that foul
>being is a god and the little ones are instructed to sing songs to
>him. For some reason the ACLU has not filed any lawsuits
>protesting this.
>
>In the halls are posters celebrating "Black History Month" and
>making the absurd claims that White historical figures such as
>Cleopatra and Hannibal were actually Black, and that White
>Western Civilization is an outgrowth of a posited African
>civilization. Maps of Africa and Central America with pictures of
>the natives are ubiquitous. Pictures of George Washington or of
>battles of the Revolutionary War, or showing the heroic trek of the
>pioneers across this continent, common when I was a child, are
>now totally absent.
>
>No subject is taught, almost no point is made, without the
>inclusion of some anti-White or anti-Western propaganda,
>consisting of distorted half-truths or made up for the purpose by
>the double-think-tanks who, funded by our tax money, control
>education in this country. Read the textbooks and find out for
>yourself. Read the textbooks and weep.
>
>Needless to say, the result of all this mental rape, sometimes
>accompanied by physical rape in the more "advanced" schools, is
>the teaching of certain values to our children. They are not the
>values we would choose to teach to our children. They are the
>values that only our most deadly enemy would choose to teach
>them. They amount to this:
>
>The more you hate your race, the more noble and good you are.
>The more you love and favor those of other races, the more noble
>and good you are. And nothing is better and more wonderful than
>to give yourself utterly and sexually to a member of another race -
>- nothing proves more powerfully that you are indeed a truly good
>person. And nothing proves you evil more surely than the
>opposite.
>
>That is the public schools today. Nevertheless, this is not enough. 
>Our rulers have established extra-legal bodies all over this land,
>funded of course with our own money, to ensure that the speedy
>extinction of the White race continues as planned. They call these
>bodies "Human Relations Councils" and "Human Rights
>Commissions" and many other names; and their officers go by
>various titles but never by the most accurate one: Commissar. I
>will leave aside for the moment the question of whether you were
>ever consulted about the creation of these multifarious agencies or
>ever voted on them. (Of course you were not.) Let us see what
>they are doing. Of course, there are so many of them and their
>billions allow them to do so much that I could not even enumerate
>the ways in which they are destroying this country if I could speak
>on the radio 24 hours a day for one hundred years. So today, let
>us look at just one small part of what they are doing.
>
>As I said, the multicultural brainwashing that our children are
>being subjected to is not enough for these folks.  I recently read a
>shocking article in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune of December
>25th.
>
>It was entitled "State is Urged to Stem Racism -- Multicultural
>Education Called Key to Diversity."
>
>It begins by telling a heart-rending story about a Black student in
>the mostly-White city of St. Cloud, Minnesota who "wanted to be
>an angel when she grew up." It demonizes the White students
>who supposedly laughed because they naturally thought of angels
>as White. It also demonizes the parents who oppose having
>multiculturalism jammed down their children's throats and who
>feel that they received a fine education and that the changes
>demanded by the change agents are not needed. This attitude is
>described as "racism."
>
>The article consists almost entirely of quotes from those who
>pushing multiracialism. No opponent of "diversity education" is
>even mentioned by name.
>
>One whom they quote extensively is St. Cloud's Rhonda Nelson, a
>member of an outfit calling itself the "Minnesota Minority
>Education Partnership, Inc." and who also adorns the membership
>roster of something called the "Multicultural Gender-Fair Disability-
>Aware Committee."
>
>Rhonda tells us, according to the article, that "schools should
>spend just as much money on diversity programs" as they spend
>on technology. She pooh-poohs parents' fears that multicultural
>programs take away time and money from basic education such
>as reading, writing, and mathematics.
>
>She states: "They think that their children should have the
>opportunity to learn what they learned, and only what they
>learned... It scares me... I'm really concerned about what students
>and children are learning from St. Cloud and communities like St.
>Cloud."
>
>Rhonda recently testified to the State Board of Education on this
>matter. Her answer, according to the article: "Minnesota needs a
>state-wide strategy to promote diversity in its public schools, and
>reluctant school districts must be forced to take part." She states
>frankly,"There's no way St. Cloud would do this voluntarily."
>
>The article continues:
>
>'As state officials ponder what to do, St. Cloud has become deeply 
>divided over multicultural education, with some residents even calling 
>for the Scuttling of a committee working on issues pertaining to minority 
>groups. Moreover, the district has done little to diversify its 
>workforce:  Only one of its 900 teachers is black.'
>
>Imagine that! They'd better start being good citizens and import
>some Mexicans or Filipinos or Africans right away and hire them
>as teachers! We can't have White teachers teaching White
>students -- it's an outrage! And how dare those parents even think
>about scuttling "a committee working on issues pertaining to
>minority groups." We need dozens, thousands of such
>committees, all paid for with tax money, of course. Isn't
>integration with non-Whites the moral imperative, the real purpose
>of America and our lives her on Earth, after all?
>
>According to the article, people like Ellen Mork, former school
>board member and last year's "Executive Director" of the
>"Multicultural Gender-Fair Disability-Aware Committee" state that
>"cities such as St. Cloud aren't doing enough to break the cycle of
>racism." It is also stated that these groups are planning -- er, I
>mean predicting -- that the percentage of non-Whites in Minnesota
>schools will be about 25% in the year 2020.
>
>Another "Executive Director," this time of the "Minnesota
>Minority Education Partnership, Inc.," Debra Leigh, tells us
>"Parents of color across this state say we must deal with racism."
>Her group is "working with the state board on diversity issues."
>She told the board that "opposition to multicultural education is
>not limited to St. Cloud." Her implication: If parents won't give
>their permission for multicultural indoctrination of their children,
>then Leigh and others like her will force it on them by appealing to
>the state or federal government. What the parents want or
>students need is irrelevant.
>
>Debra Leigh also states: "Teaching students about racism is just
>as important as teaching them how to recycle, how to avoid drug
>use and how to protect themselves from sexually transmitted
>diseases..."
>
>She states that "parents of color" teach their children about
>racism "because they know that their self-esteem and confidence
>can be ruined at any moment..."
>
>I would add that we need to warn our children against the likes of
>Debra Leigh, to whom the question of a White child's self-esteem
>in the face of lifelong anti-White propaganda has not occurred.
>
>Leigh's attitude toward White students is revealed in her
>comments about talks she has had with White students in
>Minnesota, where antipathy towards non-Whites is almost
>unknown. "When I talk to white students about racism, especially
>in Greater Minnesota, it's something that they don't know a lot
>about, and they don't learn until they have an opportunity to go to
>college. And in the meantime, they continue to perpetuate the
>cycle of racism and oppression in ways they're not even aware of.
>And I'm sure you've heard many people say, 'I just didn't know.
>Sorry, I just didn't know.' Well, I think we've come to a point
>where not knowing is just not acceptable. You have to know."
>
>The article continues:
>
>'As part of its work with the board, the partnership has set up community
>groups in Minneapolis, St. Paul and St. Cloud to develop strategies aimed 
>at helping students of color succeed.  It plans to release its final
>recommendations to the board in February.
>
>'Among the group's recommendations: Schools must build confidence in 
>young minority students, work harder to hire and retain more teachers of 
>color and create a more welcoming environment for minorities. In 
>Minneapolis, the group has identified racism as its top concern.
>
>'"Racism needs to be addressed more than desegregation and integration
>policy," said Eric Moore, who has been working on a "focus group" in 
>north Minneapolis.'
>
>You know that as we speak, anti-White and pro-racemixing
>propaganda is the norm in virtually all public schools today. But
>the previously-mentioned Rhonda Nelson states, possibly even
>without blushing at her whopper, that "more diversity programs
>are needed."
>
>Ellen Mork, that exalted executive directress of the "Multicultural
>Gender-Fair Disability-Aware Committee" states "There is a
>segment of the community that is against multicultural education
>and is frankly racist ...it needs to be combated." How bizarre, how
>pathetic, how ironic it is that the ever-so-nice people of Minnesota
>allow poisonous leeches like Ellen Mork to "combat" them with
>their own money.
>
>It is time for every parent to find out what his or her children are
>being taught in the public schools. It is time to expel forever these
>change agents of the New World Order from our school system. It
>is time to take down the pictures of the Communists Nelson Mandela and 
>Martin Luther King and put up the pictures of Washington and Jefferson
>again.

Another picture  of the absolute control of the world  by afro-asians.
It goes to show ya  that there is no escape from racism.  World Exter-
mination of the race  must be stopped.  No more  "leaving" the cities.
No more waiting till college,  marriage,  jobs, is accomplished before
having  children.  No more private schools or idolizing churchs.  Hav-
ing  white children is fun!  A white is unmanly or unfeminine to  fail
to have children!  Racism is fun!  Racism will solve all personal pro-
blems!


































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May the sun shine warm upon your face,
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 07:04:13 PDT 1996
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             ARTICLE FROM THE VANCOUVER SUN JULY 19, 1996 PAGE A8C
                                       
  Also reprinted in the TORONTO SUN - July 19, 1996 PG A6
  
      Copied from the Vancouver Sun Website - Mistakes and all!
      
_ B.C. Internet provider is the largest Canadian site for racist material _

  Jeff Lee Vancouver Sun
  
  An international human rights group says a small Internet provider in B.C.'S
  Okanagan region has become the largest site in Canada for white supremacist
  and Holocaust-denial material.
  
  At least 12 groups promoting white supremacy and hate against minorities are
  using the Fairview Technology Centre in Oliver to promote their views, the
  Simon Wiesenthal Centre said Thursday.

  [A human rights group?!?  SWC believes Jews are some sort of superhumans,
  though they have only lived through times of privilage -- Vyshinsky]
  
  Fairview's site includes two host web pages called Freedom Site and Skin-Net,
  which provide access to the pages of a dozen other similar groups. The main
  page of Skin-Net contains a large image of a Nazi brown shirt charging into
  battle against a backdrop of fire.
  
  The organizers of some of the web pages are connected to Ernst Zundel, the
  Toronto holocaust-denier, said Sol Littman, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre's
  Canadian representative.
  
  Littman said his group is alarmed that so many white-supremacist groups are
  lodged under one roof on the Internet.
  
  "It has got more of these guys on it than we've seen anywhere else in
  Canada," Littman said. "It is offensive. It is crude, it is Fascist and it
  mirrors the Strmer, the most infamous of Nazi newspapers."
  
  [Der Sturmer, produced by Julius Streicher, and worthy of republishing]

  Littman wrote to Bernard Klatt, owner of Fairview, to tell him he didn't have
  to provide service to such groups and that he may not be aware they are using
  his site.
  
  But Klatt said in an interview that he knows about the groups. Asked if he
  was concerned, he said: "Not yet, should I (be)?
  
  "I am aware they are there. I probably should go look at them."
  
  Fairview acts as a local Internet provider to a number of legitimate Okanagan
  businesses and groups, including the Oliver Chronicle newspaper, Okanagan
  Cable TV and the Oliver Amateur Radio Club.
  
  Six groups, including the Heritage Front, the Euro-Canadian Defence League
  and the Canadian Patriot's Network are hosted at the Freedom Site, which is
  run by Marc Lemire.
  
  The others, under Skin-Net, include such groups as White Power Skinheads,
  Berserk, New Order and Nordland. A preface page to the site warns the
  "racially weak-at-heart" not to go any further if they are offended.
  
  Last month, Lemire was removed from a Toronto Internet service after the
  owner received complaints about offending material.
  
  Ashok Calle, the owner of Toronto's Pathway Communications, said he didn't
  know Lemire had loaded Freedom Site on to his service until other clients
  started complaining.
  
  Calle, an Indo-Canadian, said he was offended by what he found at Freedom
  Site on his server and immediately removed Lemire's access priveliges.

  [Mongoloid!]
  
  Canada has no anti-hate laws governing material on the Internet, but that
  doesn't mean he should carry the material, Calle said.
  
  "It is not illegal to be verbally abusive. But that doesn't make it right.
  Things like (Freedom Site) may not be illegal but it doesn't make they right.
  It was something we don't want on our server."
  
  Lemire could not be reached for comment. [This is ofcourse a lie - Marc]
  
  Littman said the Simon Wiesenthal Centre couldn't ignore the concentration of
  so many groups under one roof.
  
  "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, the longer they fester
  and the more they infect others and the only way to deal with them honestly
  and forcefully is to expose them to the light of truth."
  
  Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups from Fairview
  voluntarily before the centre takes any other action.

  [What action has SWC done other than having a big mongoloid mouth and deep
  pockets? -- Vyshinsky]










































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Article: 69683 of alt.conspiracy
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
Security Council and the New York Times.  It served  Jewish interests
to blow up the jet and the buliding in  Oklahoma City.  In considera-
tion of the fact of  anti-american foreign control of the Defense De-
partment,  patriots should support the reduction of the military bud-
get to nil.














































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May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rain fall soft upon your fields,
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 08:31:11 PDT 1996
Article: 69727 of alt.conspiracy
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
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tion of the fact of  anti-american foreign control of the Defense De-
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 09:01:07 PDT 1996
Article: 63982 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

>after carrying out various experiments with various shop vacs and assorted farm animals the GRAND CATAMITE announces 
>what 99 % or all klansman prefer when a love boy is not advailable. 
>
>
>that of course is:
>
>
>A TURN IN THE BARRELL
>
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 09:01:08 PDT 1996
Article: 63986 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

>after a day of ordering the ss to slaughter thousands of human beings adolph hitler would amuse the general staff by putting a 
>pice of chalk up his arse and  writing  OTTO OTTO  on a chalk board. he said that made him supple.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 09:33:45 PDT 1996
Article: 286947 of talk.politics.guns
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
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to blow up the jet and the buliding in  Oklahoma City.  In considera-
tion of the fact of  anti-american foreign control of the Defense De-
partment,  patriots should support the reduction of the military bud-
get to nil.














































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 09:33:49 PDT 1996
Article: 287060 of talk.politics.guns
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
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to blow up the jet and the buliding in Oaklahoma City.  In considera-
tion of the fact of  anti-american foreign control of the Defense De-
partment,  patriots should support the reduction of the military bud-
get to nil.














































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 11:29:04 PDT 1996
Article: 52490 of alt.revisionism
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I was surprised to read that Nizkor only uses a 28k connection to the
net.  I thought I've recieved 128k ftp transmissions before, through
Nizkor, certainly over 28k.

Is there an arrangement with the provider to decompress data that is
being sent in from Nizkor?  In other words, are the files compressed
on Nizkor before they are passed through the provider, and the pro-
vider trasparently decompresses it?

A flat rate dedicated modem port is damn cheaper than any sort of
56k, relatively speaking.  Disc space is also dirt cheap.  There's
an opportunity here for racists to have our own server, a la Nizkor,
minus censorship.






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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 13:02:11 PDT 1996
Article: 76289 of talk.politics.mideast
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 13:02:12 PDT 1996
Article: 76299 of talk.politics.mideast
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 13:10:46 PDT 1996
Article: 260312 of alt.politics.clinton
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 13:10:48 PDT 1996
Article: 260397 of alt.politics.clinton
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Jews absolutely control the world, including, of course, the National
Security Council and the New York Times.  It served  Jewish interests
to blow up the jet and the buliding in Oaklahoma City.  In considera-
tion of the fact of  anti-american foreign control of the Defense De-
partment,  patriots should support the reduction of the military bud-
get to nil.














































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 20:23:30 PDT 1996
Article: 52644 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Hate Site Shut Down; RACIST CD-ROM CLOSEOUT SALE!!!
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

>Why are you posting the exact same thing twice, Marc? Not satisfied with
>the press coverage the first time?
>
>freedom@netcom.ca (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>>an649339@anon.penet.fi wrote:
>
>(Mr. Anonymous, of course, has failed to respond to any of our inquiries.
>I seriously doubt that he or his "censorship campaign" actually exist. I
>fully expect Mr. Lemire to keep responding to this gem of an article,
>though.)
>
>>>>:]We managed to get Pathway Communications to shut down Canada's only Hate 
>>>>:]Web Site!  I am sure Marc Lemire and his fellow racists at the Heritage
>>>>:]Front are planning a violent response, if only they could find us.
>>
>>I am a completly non-violent person, I hardy doubt I am "secretly plotting to 
>>kill you"   little paranoid.
>
>Hmm.
>
>I've got this CD-ROM here, mailed from your address.
>
>Would you care to comment on the contents of the unindexed Pictures\Jews,
>Pictures\Leftists, and Pictures\Traitors directories? Are y'all such big
>fans of these people that you use their pictures as wallpaper?
>
>>        NOW GET A FREEDOM CD-ROM FOR ONLY $30 - WRITE: cd-rom@df.org
>
>Anyone want a copy? I'll make you one for duplication & mailing costs.
>Around $3, I reckon, depending on how many orders I get. Or if you're real
>nice, I'll tell you where you can get to it via FTP.

Why don't you post a review of the CD?  How long did it take to recieve
it?  I'm going to order it myself, from Mark Lemire, I trust him more
than you.  How are you going to make copies of a 600 meg CD for such a
low price?  Isn't your real name Larry Lurch?  I'll post a review of
the CD once I check it out.

>-rich
> http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.c2.org/~rich/





























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 20:23:31 PDT 1996
Article: 52646 of alt.revisionism
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A convert.

















































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 23 21:55:58 PDT 1996
Article: 52674 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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alec@gryn.org writes:

>Well - to those that I made my prediction to in Email:
>
>Has he lost it or not?
>
>Is my timing online or not?
>
>Matt wants to declare the topics of alt.revisionism closed because he's
>lost every argument, has had his nose rubbed into the fact that it
>actually happened - complete with the mass gassings - and has been shown
>repeatedly that he can't even do basic logic or science.
>
>Don't pity Matt, although he is pitiable, because pity is a terrible and
>demeaning thing. 
>
>He refuses to admit that he can't have what he most desperately wants -
>to win at an argument thru superior ability. 
>
>His actions are predictable.
>
>His skills, I regret to say, are miniscule to marginal.
>
>I truly regret it, because there is no effort required for handling him
>- only a willingness to be patient with his nonsense and keeping him on
>the same track.
>
>Others have learned this, so he'll slowly find his efforts at avoiding
>the consequences of his statements less and less effective.
>
>His latest attempt at evading reality, by declaring his loss a win,
>should be ignored. Get him on track and require that he finish his
>vegetables - er - sequence.
>
>Perhaps he'll learn to maintain a track long enough to conclude what a
>silly little boy he's being for a purportedly grown man.
>
>This NG may be just what he's always avoided - and always needed.
>
>Only time will tell.

It has been proven that the Holocaust was invented by Jews to earn
money and power.  The origin of the details of the Holocaust are
the inherited sexual problems of the asian race.  You are in denial.






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 00:13:44 PDT 1996
Article: 52723 of alt.revisionism
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freedom@netcom.ca writes:

>In article <4si34p$6un@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>>      Putting pressure on them so they refuse clients you don't like
>>>      infringes on their freedom to do business, and it infringes on
>>>      everybody's freedom of thought and expression.
>>
>>....which begs the question: How does anyone know that some
>>external party "brought pressure" on Pathway? It is, for
>>instance, entirely possible that Pathway's management was
>>blissfully unaware of the content of Lemire's page, and
>>someone came along and said "Hey, look at what's on your
>>computer!"
>
>I was quite clear with Pathway Communications before I signed on with them, 
>that I was going to start up a controversial website, and I was a paying 
>customer of theirs for more almost a year.
>
>
>I can only suppose it was Sol Littman from the Simon Wiesenthal Center due to 
>what he is up to now with FTCNET, but since Pathway will not tell anyone the 
>actual reason for kicking me off, it is only speculation on what happened.

Why it says right here at
http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/vancouver_sun.html
that it's the Mongoloid owner of Pathway.ca's fault because he doesn't
like the political views on ~freedom.

             ARTICLE FROM THE VANCOUVER SUN JULY 19, 1996 PAGE A8C
                                       
  Also reprinted in the TORONTO SUN - July 19, 1996 PG A6
  
_ B.C. Internet provider is the largest Canadian site for racist material _

  Jeff Lee Vancouver Sun
  
  An international human rights group says a small Internet provider in B.C.'S
  Okanagan region has become the largest site in Canada for white supremacist
  and Holocaust-denial material.
  
  At least 12 groups promoting white supremacy and hate against minorities are
  using the Fairview Technology Centre in Oliver to promote their views, the
  Simon Wiesenthal Centre said Thursday.
  
  Fairview's site includes two host web pages called Freedom Site and Skin-Net,
  which provide access to the pages of a dozen other similar groups. The main
  page of Skin-Net contains a large image of a Nazi brown shirt charging into
  battle against a backdrop of fire.
  
  The organizers of some of the web pages are connected to Ernst Zndel, the
  Toronto holocaust-denier, said Sol Littman, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre's
  Canadian representative.
  
  Littman said his group is alarmed that so many white-supremacist groups are
  lodged under one roof on the Internet.
  
  "It has got more of these guys on it than we've seen anywhere else in
  Canada," Littman said. "It is offensive. It is crude, it is Fascist and it
  mirrors the Strmer, the most infamous of Nazi newspapers."
  
  Littman wrote to Bernard Klatt, owner of Fairview, to tell him he didn't have
  to provide service to such groups and that he may not be aware they are using
  his site.
  
  But Klatt said in an interview that he knows about the groups. Asked if he
  was concerned, he said: "Not yet, should I (be)?
  
  "I am aware they are there. I probably should go look at them."
  
  Fairview acts as a local Internet provider to a number of legitimate Okanagan
  businesses and groups, including the Oliver Chronicle newspaper, Okanagan
  Cable TV and the Oliver Amateur Radio Club.
  
  Six groups, including the Heritage Front, the Euro-Canadian Defence League
  and the Canadian Patriot's Network are hosted at the Freedom Site, which is
  run by Marc Lemire.
  
  The others, under Skin-Net, include such groups as White Power Skinheads,
  Berserk, New Order and Nordland. A preface page to the site warns the
  "racially weak-at-heart" not to go any further if they are offended.
  
  Last month, Lemire was removed from a Toronto Internet service after the
  owner received complaints about offending material.
  
  Ashok Calle, the owner of Toronto's Pathway Communications, said he didn't
  know Lemire had loaded Freedom Site on to his service until other clients
  started complaining.
  
  Calle, an Indo-Canadian, said he was offended by what he found at Freedom
  Site on his server and immediately removed Lemire's access priveliges.
  
  Canada has no anti-hate laws governing material on the Internet, but that
  doesn't mean he should carry the material, Calle said.
  
  "It is not illegal to be verbally abusive. But that doesn't make it right.
  Things like (Freedom Site) may not be illegal but it doesn't make they right.
  It was something we don't want on our server."

  [The Mongoloid owner admits to being a censor  -- Vyshinsky]
  
  Lemire could not be reached for comment. [This is ofcourse a lie - Marc]
  
  Littman said the Simon Wiesenthal Centre couldn't ignore the concentration of
  so many groups under one roof.
  
  "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, the longer they fester
  and the more they infect others and the only way to deal with them honestly
  and forcefully is to expose them to the light of truth."
  
  Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups from Fairview
  voluntarily before the centre takes any other action.
  
And what sort of action do these scumbags take?

Usenet patrons should send honest written and e-mail complaints to
Pathway.ca and both offices of the SWC.  A thank-you letter should
be sent to ftcnet.com for supplying access to racists.  What are
their s-mail addresses?

BTW, c2.net has a Oakland/SF location with cheap telnet-only access
and promise not to censor.  It's something like $22.50 for three
months with good bandwidth and 5 megs with web page.  They ripped me
off though, when they had local dial-ups.

>Marc
>
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Article: 52724 of alt.revisionism
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jamie@voyager.net writes:

>nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>
>> Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust (CODOH)
>
>That's http://www.codoh.com/ to those of us who can acronym.
>
>(The remainder, mostly neo-Nazi and skinhead sites, deleted to save
>bandwidth.)
>
>Oh, and you forgot one important one:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/

Correction:

http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org/

Prepend http://www.anonymizer.com/ to any web, ftp or gopher site that
you don't want them to have individual records on everything you access
because of port 113 requests (ident.)  Be sure that the title of the
page includes [Anonymized.]  It's unreliable with sound or video.

Nizkor is anal enough to maintain individualized ident logs.

>-- 
> Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> jamie@voyager.net        Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
> Hate mail will be posted.

So post some.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 00:13:47 PDT 1996
Article: 52725 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: [Press Release] Freedom-Site suffers censorship from Pathway Communications
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freedom@netcom.ca writes:

>In article , Rich Graves  wrote:
>>On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Christopher Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> People might applaud Pathway for shutting Marc's website down.  They 
>>
>>He moved to another ISP, where ECDL already had an account, seventeen days
>>ago. 
>
>Another RG wopper.
>
>According to Rich Graves ECDL had an account on FTCnet.
>
>Please show us your proof Rich.
>
>>He didn't claim to have been censored at the time; only after an
>>"anonymous" poster claimed to have led a campaign to "censor" him did he
>>start whining. This is what "Shut down" means in your world? 
>
>Oh I get it rich, according to your logic, I would not have complained about 
>my website being shut down, but becuase some anonymous poster posted a 
>messages claiming to be the one who kicked me off, I did?
>
>>I haven't noticed any applause for this "Stalinist act of censorship." 
>>Please point it out. A single "anonymous" troll that could have been posted
>>by you or Marc doesn't count in my book.
>
>It was Rich Graves who is the "Anonymous Troll"
>
>I have about as much evidence for that as Rich does to claim that I was 
>secretly the anonymous person who posted the message.

Larry Lurch does stuff like that.  He once claimed I and several others,
were Milton Kleim in his spam-pain to censor rec.music.white-power.
He's also posing as ezundel-repost and pretended to be Qut, A. Huber, and
Ernst Zndel and probably is Mike Beebe, who issues death-threats.
And what about his harassment of the subscribers to Zndelgrams?

>>> might revel in this "victory" over the "Nazis."  However, may I remind 
>>> you, that if people like Marc Lemire and Ernst Zundel are silenced, what 
>>> is stopping the government in silencing YOU?
>>
>>The Law, the Constitution, etc. Same things stopping them from silencing
>>Marc, Les Griswold, and you. Or is that someone else I see posting Usenet
>>articles and web sites under your names?
>
>The constitution does not apply to either me or Les, since we are both 
>Canadians.

Our God/Mother Nature-given rights to defend humanity apply everywhere.

>Marc
>
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 07:09:19 PDT 1996
Article: 52740 of alt.revisionism
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

>freedom@netcom.ca (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>In article , Rich Graves  wrote:
>>>On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Christopher Saunders wrote:
>>>
>>>> People might applaud Pathway for shutting Marc's website down.  They 
>>>
>>>He moved to another ISP, where ECDL already had an account, seventeen days
>>>ago. 
>>
>>Another RG wopper.
>>
>>According to Rich Graves ECDL had an account on FTCnet.
>>
>>Please show us your proof Rich.
>
>I could have sworn I was looking at http://www.ftcnet.com/~edcl/ two weeks
>ago, but since I can't find it in AltaVista or my cache, I guess that was
>a mistake. They're on wpg.ramp.net, not ftcnet. Since I see you just
>apologized to Bernie Farber, I apologize to you with equal grace.
>
>>>He didn't claim to have been censored at the time; only after an
>>>"anonymous" poster claimed to have led a campaign to "censor" him did he
>>>start whining. This is what "Shut down" means in your world? 
>>
>>Oh I get it rich, according to your logic, I would not have complained about 
>>my website being shut down, but becuase some anonymous poster posted a 
>>messages claiming to be the one who kicked me off, I did?
>
>Er, no. The wacky conspiracy theory I was throwing out there was that it's
>a remarkable coincidence that a particularly stupid and anonymous
>pro-censorship troll preceded your "press release" by only a few hours
>(out of seventeen-day period), creating the conditions for a favorable
>response.  Of course, there is no more evidence for this wacky conspiracy
>theory than there is for the wacky conspiracy theory that commie jews
>(remember, I have your CD-ROM in my PC)  pressured Ashok Calle to kill
>your account. While I certainly disagree with the abruptness of the
>cutoff, I think his explanation, in the Vancouver Sun article on your web
>site, is credible:
>
>| Ashok Calle, the owner of Toronto's Pathway Communications, said he
>| didn't know Lemire had loaded Freedom Site on to his service until other
>| clients started complaining.
>|
>| Calle, an Indo-Canadian, said he was offended by what he found at
>| Freedom Site on his server and immediately removed Lemire's access
>| priveliges. 
>|
>| Canada has no anti-hate laws governing material on the Internet, but
>| that doesn't mean he should carry the material, Calle said. 
>|
>| "It is not illegal to be verbally abusive. But that doesn't make it
>| right. Things like (Freedom Site) may not be illegal but it doesn't make
>| they right. It was something we don't want on our server."

Down with capitalism!  We care about people, not property!

>Nothing about outside pressure there. The simple fact of the matter is,
>despite all your bragging about being "the most controversial site in
>Canada," your own ISP didn't even know you existed until about a month
>ago. I consider this to be good news. You far-right kooks really aren't
>all that interesting, I've found.
>
>I certainly agree that *after* you made a very public move to ftcnet.com,
>*then* the Wiesenthal Center took notice and decided that they wanted you
>shut down. This morning, after reading Davey Jones' (EFC) piece on
>Declan's fight-censorship mailing list (and before you'd written this
>article), I called the CBC comment line to reiterate my opposition to the
>Wiesenthal Center's censorship campaign.
>
>I simply don't believe that a handful of far-right wackos in a decade-old
>pissing contest with "Anti-Racist Action," whom I find no more appealing
>than the Nazis, are such a threat to democracy that they justify policing
>the web. Marc, I think you could probably spend some time in jail for
>cracking the Klanbusters line, which is a *real* crime, but I have hope
>that a multicultural society under the rule of law and reason can
>withstand your pathetic attempts to turn people against each other without
>censorship. As long as you stay within the law, and avoid things like
>cracking political opponents' phone systems (Lemire), cocaine trafficking
>(Droege), attempting to overthrow foreign governments (Droege), armed
>robbery, terroristic threats, and kidnapping (Fischer), then I see no
>reason to disparage your freedom to express your "political" views,
>however sick and twisted they are.
>
>>>> might revel in this "victory" over the "Nazis."  However, may I remind 
>>>> you, that if people like Marc Lemire and Ernst Zundel are silenced, what 
>>>> is stopping the government in silencing YOU?
>>>
>>>The Law, the Constitution, etc. Same things stopping them from silencing
>>>Marc, Les Griswold, and you. Or is that someone else I see posting Usenet
>>>articles and web sites under your names?
>>
>>The constitution does not apply to either me or Les, since we are both 
>>Canadians.
>
>Sorry, lowercase "c". While Canada (still) has no unified written
>constitution, the Supreme Court refers to the various Constitution Acts as
>the constitution, and it is reasonable to inquire whether things are
>constitutional or unconstitutional. For example, in the 1992 Zundel
>judgement, the Supreme Court of Canada wrote, quoting most of
>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/
>  people/z/zundel-ernst/supreme-court/1992-analysis-section2b.html:
>
>| The fundamental importance of freedom of expression to a free and
>| democratic society is beyond question. At issue is whether s. 181
>| contravenes that right.
>|
>| The first step in the Charter analysis is to ascertain whether the
>| activity of the litigant who alleges a s. 2(b) violation falls within
>| the ambit of protected expression. The sphere of expression protected by
>| the section has been very broadly defined to encompass all content of
>| expression irrespective of the particular meaning sought to be conveyed
>| unless the expression is communicated in a physically violent form (R.
>| v. Keegstra, supra). The activity of Zundel involved the deliberate and
>| wilful publication of lies which were extremely damaging to members of
>| the Jewish community, misleading to all who read his words and
>| antithetical to the core values of a multicultural democracy. The basis
>| for determining whether this type of activity falls within the scope of
>| protected expression was set out in Keegstra, supra.  There Dickson C.J.
>| found that hate propaganda satisfied the first step of the s. 2(b) of
>| the Charter inquiry. He wrote (at p. 730):
>|
>|      Because Irwin Toy stresses that the type of meaning conveyed is 
>|      irrelevant to the question of whether s. 2(b) is infringed, that
>|      the expression covered by s. 319(2) is invidious and obnoxious is
>|      beside the point. It is enough that those who publicly and wilfully
>|      promote hatred convey or attempt to convey a meaning .... 
>|
>| Similarly, constitutional protection under s. 2(b) must therefore be
>| extended to the deliberate publication of statements known
>| to be false which convey meaning in a non-violent form. Freedom of
>| expression is so important to democracy in Canada that
>| even those statements on the extreme periphery of the protected right
>| must be brought within the protective ambit of s. 2(b). 
>|
>| The second step of the test is to determine whether the purpose of the
>| impugned legislation is to restrict freedom of expression.
>| Here, the purpose of s. 181 is to restrict, not all lies, but only those
>| that are wilfully published and that are likely to injure the
>| public interest. Although the targeted expression is extremely limited,
>| the provision does have as its purpose the restriction of
>| free expression. Accordingly, it must be found that s. 181 constitutes
>| an infringement of the freedom of expression guaranteed under s. 2(b) of
>| the Charter. 
>
>So there you have it. The Supreme Court guarantees to you the right to
>tell whatever outrageous and hateful lies you want, and as you accurately
>pointed out in in response to the anonymous troll, the government can't
>prosecute you for it.
>
>The issue of whether ISPs can be held legally liable for such content need
>not be reached because we already know that *you* can't be prosecuted for
>such content. 
>
>The question before us is whether ISPs *must* carry content which they and
>the community abhor. Pathway decided that they didn't want to, and I don't
>think the law should tell them that they must (unless they made a
>contractual promise to be neutral as to content -- which Pathway didn't).
>Fairview Technology Centre (like webcom.com) has taken the IMO courageous
>view that they can not and will not control their users' content. I
>support their position without reservation. On the other hand, their other
>customers and business partners have the right to respond as they see fit.
>
>Your home page calls for a boycott of pathcom.com. The Wiesenthal Center
>is probably going to call for a boycott of ftcnet.com. That's called
>freedom of speech and association.
>
>C2.org has the same open-content policies as Fairway -- in fact, they're
>rather more open, as C2 is arguably the linchpin of the anonymous remailer
>network. Such policies are never without cost, nor IMO should they be.
>They're just the right thing to do, which is why I maintain an account on
>C2.
>
>So, to sum up, I think you're an asshole, I think Pathway had the right to
>kick you off, I think you and your friends probably belong in jail for
>their *real* (non-political) crimes, and I'd welcome you as a fellow user
>of the absolutely bulletproof c2.org if something happens to Fairway. Is
>that clear?
>
>-rich
> [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm

The only reason that c2 exists, is because of people like Marc Lemire
who are fighting to keep humanity out of the dark den of censorship.















































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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

># Reply-To: an572010@anon.penet.fi
># Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:39:30 UTC
>
>#When Ken McVay etc. is charged with distributing illegal materials,
>#will they give in or fight the charges, if so, on what grounds?
>#There's an opportunity for the Nizkor gang to serve the public as
>#anti-censorship activists if they choose to fight the charges.
>#I mean we're talking about long terms here, for their organized
>#criminal activites in Canada and Germany, at least, considering
>#that their offenses are more extensive than Gerhard Lauck's.  And
>#Canada and Germany are going to quite angry that they we're tricked
>#by an organized gang of Neo-Nazis distributing illegal Nazi para-
>#phernalia.
>
>You didn't need the apostrophe. 
>
>You said:
>
>      "..are going to quite angry that they we are tricked by...", 
>
>which is probably not what you were trying to say, although I guess 
>it's about all one can expect. (How _do_ you "quite angry?")

I'm slowly recovering from hand injuries, so I can't help my
slow typing.  I'm switching to a Dvorak keyboard, which should
help a good deal.  I prefer a hardwired Dvorak though.
Don't you know spelling flames are about as lame as my hand?

>(By the way, a friend recently gave me a copy of Mein Kampf
>that someone passed around town... I'll let it go for postage
>- and, of course, a buck to finance ZOG for another month.)

I was lucky enough to find the annotated 1939 edition of Mein Kampf
with the propaganda posters.  These are the posters referred to
in the first volume of Mein Kampf but missing from the Meinhamm
edition.  They're impressive!  I'll post some when I get around
to it.

>-- 
>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org
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imschira@nyx10.cs.du.edu writes:

>An entity calling itself Vyshinsky (an572010@anon.penet.fi) allegedly wrote:
>: fresh@panix.com writes:
>: 
>: >an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) wrote:
>: >
>: >
>: >>Rich Graves  has stated that he believes that only
>: >>government can censor and not business.
>: >
>: >No, he doesn't.  As a matter of fact, Rich Graves, though a cordial
>: >colleague, disagreees with my platform of urging businesses to censor
>: >their clientele.
>: 
>: Yes he does, he only opposes government censorship of business, but
>: supports the "right" of capitalists to do what ever they want.
>
>But he's right. You have the right to speak all you want, but you have
>no right to force others to provide you with a soapbox, microphone, or
>amphitheatre. You want to speak? Do it on your own goddamn dime. Then
>it's your right. If you're on someone else's dime, it's a privilege
>they're allowing you.
>
>Only "government" can "censor," since only government enforces its
>monopoly of jurisdiction at the point of a gun.

The race fought against capitalism;  we forced the government to enact
the Sherman Anti-Trust Act of 1895 to abridge the rights of property.
The fight against the old WASP ruling class, should not stop with the
transfer of their power to Jews!  RICO, the Anti-Trust acts, and other
laws can be used to break-up Jewish business;  but the working and
middle classes need to force the government to do so.  In other words,
the structure of government as-is, can be a good thing with good
people in power.

>: >>Ken McVay  has advocated the imprisonment of people
>: >>who have been harrassed by the police solely for distributing the same
>: >>illegal propaganda as he does from his own server.
>: >
>: >Hate propaganda is illegal in Canada.  Ken just archives it so the
>: >Mounties can find it better.
>: 
>: It's illegal to distribute hate propaganda in Canada, which is
>: exactly what that hypocrital Neo-Nazi is doing.  The RCMP and
>: CIS has been tolerating him, however they are going to be pissed
>: when they figure out that it's a double-cross, how Nizkor really
>: is a Nazi gang.
>
>I'd sure love to see this come true, because I highly doubt that it will.
>I'm sure a friend of mine (who has donated much time and effort to the
>Nizkor site) would be very surprised to learn that it's a clandestine,
>undercover Nazi operation. Myself, I frankly think it sounds like utter
>horseshit. 

If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, walks like a duck, I'm
liable to call it a duck.

>All the "hate speech" laws in Canada, Germany et al, violate rights,
>because they are enforced by government. Civil disobedience time.

Just remember that the business world is more powerful than the state.
It's business that has been forcing government to do what it does to
free speech in Canada, Germany et al.  Time for civil disobedience 
double-time.

>[rest snipped]
>
>-- 
>http://yakko.cs.wmich.edu/~frogfarm ...for the best in unapproved information
> EmmaGoldmanCamillePagliaMarieCurieAynRandSapphoDianaToriAmosPJHarvey&Demona

I didn't know Emma Goldman supported capitalism.
And you only included Marie Curie because she's Jewish.

>Living in dread with your fragile brain and the executioner's got your number
> I feel a groove comin' on            -:-             Freedom...yeah, right.
>
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fresh@panix.com writes:

>FYI: Turner Diaries is by William L. Pierce, writing under a
>pseudonym.  Pierce is the head of the largest neo-Nazi organization in
>America, the National Alliance, based in West Virginia.
>
>It was the blueprint for the terrorist activites of the Order in
>1983-1986, which included the murder of Denver DJ Alan Berg.

Blueprint, how?!?

>Furthermore, it gives directions on bomb-building that, investigators
>believe, armed Tim McVeigh with the ability to destroy the Murrah
>bldg. in OK City.  McVeigh was an avid fan of the book and distributed

It does NOT have bomb making recipes in the book.  The Oklahoma City
bomb was a highly sophisticated bomb that Bo Gritz believes could
only have come from an organisation like the CIA.  McVeigh never had
military training that would have given him this knowledge.  McVeigh
was NOT a racist, he was/is an anti-racist like his buddy Terry Nicols
who married and impregnated a Philipino.  The unknown asian-looking
third party is widely suspected to be a non-white.

>bldg. in OK City.  McVeigh was an avid fan of the book and distributed
>copies at militia meetings.  There is a bombing scene in Turner
>Diaries that is eerily similar.

In the book the FBI headquarters is bombed where there is a massive
internal-passport system is being constructed, not for whatever
reasons McVeigh participated in it.  Perhaps McVeigh/Nicols did the
bombing because they believed there were racists inside?

>Yes, I have read this book, to know what is really about and to,
>hopefully, publish an article debunking any validity it has as a
>political tract.

You were supposed to have already done that, but you just name-called
like a genotypical Jew.

>Please feel free to direct any questions about this book to me,
>publicly or privately.   I will gladly answer them to prevent someone
>from buying a copy themselves.  I swore I would only buy it if I could
>do some good with it.

Why don't you scan the entire Barricade edition and post it to usenet?
I can't understand why Mr. Pierce sold the copyright.  Milton Kleim
considers this a fatal error, I think it's just a mistake.  I think
racists should boycott the mainsteam media as much as possible and
conserve resources into building an alternative media network.  So why
don't you scan the entire Barricade edition and post it to usenet?
That would hurt revenue for both Barricade and Mr. Pierce and helps
warn him not to merchandise his other copyrights.

>If you REALLY want ot read it, go to your public library and get it in
>an interlibrary loan.  But DON'T line the pockets of Nazi Pierce or
>Jewish traitor Lyle Stuart.

And the publisher promises to donate a dollar per book sold to Handgun
Control Inc.!  And it's said to have an anti-racist introduction.

>Andrew Mathis
>
>
>
>
>
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>"Be wary of the authorities..."
>                Rabban Gamliel
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:59:55 UTC
Subject: Re: Ken McVay and Rich Graves support censorship
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fresh@panix.com writes:

>an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) wrote:
>
>>fresh@panix.com writes:
>
>>>an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rich Graves  has stated that he believes that only
>>>>government can censor and not business.
>>>
>>>No, he doesn't.  As a matter of fact, Rich Graves, though a cordial
>>>colleague, disagreees with my platform of urging businesses to censor
>>>their clientele.
>
>>Yes he does, he only opposes government censorship of business, but
>>supports the "right" of capitalists to do what ever they want.
>
>Yes, and capitalists have their rights in a capitalist country.  If
>this bugs you so much, why don't you move back to Russia and vote
>Communist?

Pamyet (Memory) would be a better vote, besides I have language
barriers with Russians.  Why do you talk like this when you claim
to be leftist?  All Jews are right wing ultra-rush arch-conservatives
when in comes to true anti-capitalism, which is inherently anti-Jewish.

>>>>Ken McVay  has advocated the imprisonment of people
>>>>who have been harrassed by the police solely for distributing the same
>>>>illegal propaganda as he does from his own server.
>>>
>>>Hate propaganda is illegal in Canada.  Ken just archives it so the
>>>Mounties can find it better.
>
>>It's illegal to distribute hate propaganda in Canada, which is
>>exactly what that hypocrital Neo-Nazi is doing.  The RCMP and
>>CIS has been tolerating him, however they are going to be pissed
>>when they figure out that it's a double-cross, how Nizkor really
>>is a Nazi gang.
>
>What are you smoking?

I only smoke in bed.

>>>>These two positions together make a strong advocacy of censorship.  The
>>>>credibility of these extreme anti-racists as anti-censorship advocates is
>>>>not very much.  They only take that line when they interpret anticensor-
>>>>ship incidents to be favourable to their personal political opinions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Racists oppose censorship!
>>>
>>>When it serves your purpose; when it doesn't, you outlaw it (see
>>>HITLER, ADOLF)
>
>>Hitler would have opposed censorship.
>
>Um, the first thing he did as Chancellor was outlaw the free presses,
>numbskull.

The press was freer because the Jewish monopoly of Ullstein, Moser
etc., was broken by anti-semites (#Jews in Germany.) And if Hitler
were alive today, he'd be against censorship.

>>>>Led Zeppelin is white power music!
>>>
>>>That must be why they played blues and covered songs by black artist
>>>Willie Dixon.
>
>>Led Zeppelin took away and expanded on the white side of "black"
>>music.  Check out the first two albums, it's a big improvement!
>
>Over what?

Over pure African music.

>>>Idiot.
>
>>COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN
>
>You're a sick f**k.

But I'm not J*wish!

>-------------------------------------
>"Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
>"Be wary of the authorities..."

Especially Jews!

>                Rabban Gamliel
>                Pirkei Avot 2:3
>








































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 07:09:24 PDT 1996
Article: 52806 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:55:24 UTC
Subject: Les the Genius
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

>In article <4t19cs$hja@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>> Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
>> > ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Baglow) wrote:
>> > 
>> >>Anyone a bit worried about this nazi being given a uniform and a gun? If
>> >>you think the Toronto police have been somewhat trigger-happy where young
>> >>black men are concerned, just imagine mall cop Les Griswold in a crisis
>> >>situation, say if a black person brings more than ten items to the express
>> >>line....
>> > 
>> > He isn't licensed to carry a gun.
>> 
>> How do you know?
>
>Becuase, Les, you haven't blown off both your feet yet.
>
>Mark
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and
>evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between
>political parties--but right through every human heart--and all
>human hearts." 

What he means, is that the world is run by dualism, by polarity
between good and evil.  Polarism is Mother Nature/God's dictate,
to segregate.  A most progressive status for America, would be
for the political spectrum to be like a spinning disc with
everybody thrown into one of two extremes, such as white and
colored, nationalism and globalism.  The European and Afro-Asian
value systems are simply incompatable.  Racists are great
believers in ecology!  Down with are plastique culture!  Down
with the culture vultures!

>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"

One of the good guys.  Contrary to all the other "American"
opponents of Stalinism, he recognised Jews were also on the
bad side.  He wasn't like Robert Conquest and Sakharov, etc.,
who took advantage of the terror to promote Judiasm.  Check
out the page in Gulag II where there's six pictures of Jews,
all evil, such as Yagoda, head of the OGPU, and Frenkel, a
camp chief.  Yagoda's predecessor, name starts with an M.,
and his successor, Yezhov, and his successor, Lavrenti Beria,
were Jewish.  Joseph Stalin married Jewish as his second or
third wife, and his airhead daughter Svetlana is half Jewish.
(She was cute as a kid, however.)




































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 07:09:24 PDT 1996
Article: 52818 of alt.revisionism
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 03:39:25 UTC
Subject: Competition to Neo-Nazi Nizkor
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dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:

>In article <4svikf$c0v@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes...
>
>>And non-paranoid reading what I posted knows that I have never threatened 
>>a lawsuit and there have been many posts in that regard.  
>
>>All of the message traffic about the lawsuit had no basis in anything I 
>>said, save for the paranoid. 
>
>/begin cite
>    Subject:      class action lawsuit
>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
>    Date:         1996/07/13
>    Message-Id:   <4s7u12$31t@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
>    Organization: images incarnate
>    X-Netcom-Date: Sat Jul 13  5:33:06 AM CDT 1996
>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
>
>    Is there anyone here interested in a class action lawsuit against McVay
>    and Nizkor?
>
>    I will be collecting these and forwarding them to an attorney who may
>    be or may not be interested in the case depending upon the responses
>    and the documentation supporting those responses.
>
>    Please respond email.  
>/end cite
>
>/begin cite
>    Subject:      lawsuit threats
>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
>    Date:         1996/07/17
>    Message-Id:   <4sieaa$d01@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
>    Organization: images incarnate
>    X-Netcom-Date: Wed Jul 17  5:12:26 AM CDT 1996
>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
>
>    Where was the outrage when "Gord McFee" was the first to initiate that
>    threat?  Where was the ridicule?  Where were the responses that are
>    nonsense in either direction?
>
>    No where of course.  
>/end cite
>
>/begin cite
>    Subject:      in the manner of suiing
>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
>    Date:         1996/07/15
>    Message-Id:   <4scv9i$qm1@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>
>    Organization: images incarnate
>    X-Netcom-Date: Mon Jul 15  1:25:22 AM PDT 1996
>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
>
>    Also of interest is that there are six or seven contributors listed on
>    the Nizkor site.  Two of them are "co-webmasters" but certainly it is
>    possible they are contributing defamatory material making the RICO
>    conspiracy even wider and more people to be named.
>
>    They should all be named.  
>
>    The joint and several liability under RICO for treble damages should be
>    of interest to most any "contributor."  Of course if they can prove
>    they did not contribute to the defamation ...
>
>    But then, they were only following orders.  
>
>    But then, the only reason I am leaving Nizkor on line is to accumulate
>    evidence.  
>/end cite
>
>    Other than these you mean?
>
>    [note to other readers that in each of these cases the subject line of
>    Giwer's in initialized with the cited post.  In all three cases the
>    subject line underlines his intent.]
>
>                         daniel david mittleman 
>===========================================================================
>                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"

And what was the original context of these articals?  Was it sarcasm?
This is what makes Nizkor such a lousy archiver, taking peoples posts
out of context.  Nizkor does this because of the lousy performance by
anti-racists in rebuttals to racists and opponents of the Holocaust.
This is why I'm interesting in starting a direct connection to the
net to provide a voice to anti-racists denied by Nizkor's server.
Nizkor simply leaves the racist and anti-Holocaust postings
unchallenged, providing evidence that Nizkor is Neo-Nazi.  I'm
planning on at least an ftp server, possibly read-write access to a
few newsgroups, and mirroring sites like Freedom and Nizkor, goodies
discussed on cypherpunks, for BSD, Linux or Digital Unix (I'm
dreaming,) and one dial-up. With the cheapness of disc space, it's
easy enough to provide gigs of goodies, but unfortunately subject to
the heavy cost of bandwith.  I thought I saw an ad of dedicated flat
rate 28k connection, which is better than nothing, for $99.00, much
better than any sort of 56k or 64k.  Virtual host would be great for
the high bandwith, but sucks because of their absurd price for disc
space rental, and being subject to "reasonable use" restrictions.  For
instance, eff.org had to suspend access to Phrack because their ISP
threatened to suspend their account for overuse, which doesn't
happen with dedicated flat rate connections.  Abuse from anti-racists
is inevitable.  With the flat-rate dedicated connection, I can sue for
denial-of-service attacks from the ISP or from users on the net
itself, for example, Morty "Death" Levi's attack on the net and his
machine gun assault on his politicaly "moderate" opponants.  I'd be
willing to be a test case, so legal aggressiveness may help the rights
of the working class.



































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 07:09:26 PDT 1996
Article: 52819 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Star Jewish pop. source goes bye, bye
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tm@pacificnet.net writes:

>	Quite often the topic of Jewish population before the war pops up
>on alt.revisionism. It is important to the Holocaust story to show
>there were enough Jews in Europe to be killed and add up to 6 million.
>Most of the time, those in favor of the story respond to challenges by
>citing German estimates on the population of Jews in Europe.
>Something like, 'WHAT? What are you talking about? Look, even the
>Germans estimated ...'.
>
>	As it turns out these estimates are deeply suspect.
>
>	"In the final solution conference of January 20, 1942, the Reich
>Main Security Office offered the following population statistics for
>these countries: Findland 2,300; ... Netherlands, 165,000; ...
>Romania, 342,000; ... Hungary, 742,000; ... France (occupied) 165,000;
>... France (unoccupied), 700,000; The total is 2,475,100. But the sum
>was inflated, principally because of the gross over-estimate for
>unoccupied France, by about 600,000 people."
>                                                       *Raul Hilberg
>	
>	Lets summarize: The one number was 700,000 and the correction is
>100,000. This figure of the number of Jews in France is put at 70,000
>in recent referrences.
>	The same list has 700,000 Jews living in Hungary before the war.
>Other figures put it at 800,000 and 900,000. Since the Jewish
>population of France was ten times what it is alleged to be now, we
>have to consider the same ratio applies to the Hungarian 700,000,
>which puts a big quink into the allegations that 200,000 to 450,000
>were gassed at Auschwitz.
>	Well so much for citing German estimates as proof there were
>enough Jews in Europe to validify the numerical part of the story.
>_________________________
>
>
>
>	* We can thank Raul Hilberg in his demonstration of objectivety
>and honesty for reporting on this 700,000 only being 100,000.
>Evidentally there was just too much of one thing or not enough of
>another available for world scrutiny to maintain this number of
>700,000. 
>	In light of this development, should we just accept this as a one
>exception out of the other 15 countries mentioned or would it be
>justified to take this a step further and apply this same ratio to
>revise the rest, like Hungary, reported to have had 700,000 Jews.
>(Pressac now claims 200 to 250 thousand Hungarian Jews were delivered
>to Auschwitz instead of 450,000.) Perhaps the 700,000 reported to have
>been in Hungary is more like 100,000 also, or even much less.

There's also the rest of Eastern Europe, especially Poland.




































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 07:09:26 PDT 1996
Article: 52827 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Jewish Debating Styles -- An Example
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

>Thanks for the repost of Ehrlich's article, Skippy. Some of us were
>unaware that Lenin was Jewish, probably because he wasn't.

Lenin was half white(Russian and German,) 25% Jewish (Khazar) and
25% other Asian (Tartar.)  According to his own statements.  He
may be more Jewish than that.

No wonder he was humorless.  Race-mixing is not funny, it's cruel.































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 08:36:38 PDT 1996
Article: 64080 of soc.culture.jewish
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butch@maestro.com writes:

>Hi,
>
>well this posting is from one of the sun people of leonard jeffrries
>who just happens to think that inspite of some of the madness in this
>group that some of you really have thought out your positions and  it
>is suprising just how much you have in common with black
>seperationists.
>
>allan
>
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 08:36:39 PDT 1996
Article: 64186 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

>because nits make lice.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 08:36:40 PDT 1996
Article: 64187 of soc.culture.jewish
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:10:35 UTC
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

>there was this group of aryan freedom figthers who were going to ambush and and butcher this zog 
>convoy of women and children. the oberfuher ordered his grow of aryan warriors to set up a near 
>ambush at the crook of the road. as the convoy of women and children entered the killing ground the 
>oberfurther watied for the ambush to be let go. nothing happened. the convoy of women and children 
>passed through the zone without the slightest delay. the oberfurher ran over to his mens location and 
>found them all bare assed and having a homosexual orgy with each other. the oberfurher demanded to 
>know what was going on here. the aryan platoon leader came to attention and said "but oberfurher you 
> directed us to set up a queer ambush."
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 18:18:52 PDT 1996
Article: 52909 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

>freedom@netcom.ca (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>>For a complete archive of Lemire's postings for the last two years and
>>>lots, lots more from lots of different perspectives, start exploring at:
>
> [snipped URL http://www.anonymizer.com/ftp://www.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/l/lemire.marc]
>
>>> http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.c2.org/~rich/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/rebuttal.html
>>
>>I'll save you the time and quote Rich out of this file
>
>Oh, there's not much there, really. Just a copy of a three-month-old email
>message to some self-important idiot at CMU. 
>
>>"2. Please mention that Zundel's multimillion-dollar organization had
>>   direct control over at least four Internet accounts with web privileges
>>   where he could have set up his own mirror site, at any time, for free;
>>   and, in fact, he did so at one of them:
>>   http://www.jbx.com/~ezundel/
>>   http://www.users.cts.com/crash/i/irimland/
>>   http://www.users.cts.com/crash/e/ezundel/
>>   http://www.pathcom.com/~freedom/
>>   Not to mention the very friendly IHR site, which had a partial mirror
>>   site up *before* the Mannheim prosecutors started giving him any
>>   trouble, the CODOH site, and Marc Lemire's BBS and CD-ROM manufacturing
>>   facilities."
>>
>>I know full well that Zundel did not have ANY control over my now censored 
>>Internet account at Pathway Comminications, and I highly doubt that He had 
>>control over Ingrid Rimlands account at CTS.
>
>Zundel himself, no. He doesn't even control "his own" web site. You do.
>That's why I said "organization," though the way things are starting to
>look, "organization" may be a considerable exaggeration. 
>
>Or are you saying that the following message, the start of a series of
>several messages between the two of us in late January, was written not by
>you, but by someone who looks, writes, and sounds exactly like you? Don't
>even think about pretending it's a forgery; all of my incoming and
>outgoing mail from that period was escrowed by a neutral third party. I
>also believe it's still possible to determine the telephone number from
>which you called me.
>
>It is also trivial to prove that you were responsible for sending a week's
>worth of "Zundelgrams" when Ingrid was on vacation. 
>
>That is why I consider you to be part of Zundel's "organization."
>
>Background for this message: I had proposed to Zundel (by way of his
>ghostwriter Ingrid Rimland, ezundel@cts.com) that I mirror his web site,
>which had temporarily been blocked by a German ISP, because I found (and
>still find)  international censorship more scary than a pathetic bunch of
>retread Nazis. Ingrid replied that she did not know how to transfer files
>from the web site that she supposedly manages to my machine, so she asked
>her more technically inclined colleague (and lying son of a bitch) Marc
>Lemire to do it. 

Your record as a cybersleuth is not great.  Even worse as a free speech
advocate.  Hypocritical!  So you nearly lost your job simply by posting
anti-semitic material?  Stanford is a private institution and you support
the "right" of capitalists to do as they please, so you have nobody in
authority to complain to, unlike the UC which is state schools, though
corrupt.  The white race fought to take away rights from capitalists such
as the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, you know, which the Jews violate.

>A more detailed account of that period has been posted to cypherpunks. Ask
>Skippy about it.

Didn't you get the trivial thing about Skippy?  Oh well, all you did,
anyway, was blah-blah about how great an anti-censorship activist you are
and how evil the zundelistas are, though you only had something on your
web site breifly.  You attempted to drown out the good guys like you did
with the rec.music.white-power controversy, but I never could connect to
the webcom site to make my own copies.  It's best to post stuff that's
actually been censored to usenet.  In this case the files are only
3 meg, and postings to usenet relieve archivers from worry about
violating copyrights, since, from what I gather, anyone's free to make
copies of stuff on usenet if the posts themselves are legal.

>Message-Id: <199601292012.PAA04388@freeside.echo-on.net>
>X-Sender: cpn@echo-on.net (Unverified)
>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:14:00 -0500
>To: llurch@networking.stanford.edu
>From: freedom@pathcom.com (Marc Lemire)
>Subject: Ernst Zundel
>
>Hello my name is Marc and I am writing you on behalf of Ernst Zundel.
>
>
>I am wondering if this is the address (llurch@networking.stanford.edu) where
>I can send the commpressed Web site documents to as a 'save attached'
>message to?
>
>And if you had an FTP site where I could instead of sending them to you,
>could put them.
>
>FTP is much easier and faster.

No it isn't.  If pathcom.com is a decent ISP to begin with, it's easy to
recursively zip up all the files, uuencode the zip file, and mail the 
several meg file as a single mail message.

zip -r freedom freedom
uuencode freedom.zip tmp
elm llurch@stanford.edu < tmp

Or at least this SHOULD work.  On SunOs systems I've tried, uuencode is
broken.  It works on linux, though, and should work on everything.

>... PS.. The entire site is about ... 30-40 megabytes.  I can strip out all
>the Sound files which would leave the site at only maybe 3 megs.
>
>
>
>Talk to you soon. 

Ignore him!  Who cares!  Larry is more interesting when he's talking about
stuff he actually knows about, socioliogy is not his strong point, in fact,
sociology recieves one of the weakest treatments by modern schools.
Sociology, like art, is one of those subjects that carries more credibility
by folks who DON'T champion their accredition.

>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Marc Lemire 
>
>
>- -rich
> [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> censor the internet! http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/

A lame parody of National Alliance.

> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 21:55:42 PDT 1996
Article: 52943 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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gcooper1@ix.netcom.com writes:

>Vyshinsky wrote:
>
>> Because our society is controlled by Jews.
>
>No. society is controlled by a clique of murderous Slavs, ie Russkies, 
>Polacks, Serbs, etc., who fueled the arms war to provide employment for 
>their fellow Slavs behind the Iron Curtin they created.
>Even now people with names like Vishinsky are plotting the destruction 
>of American democracy in the name of Godless Communism.  Get out of here 
>you damn Red!

Solzhenhitzyn would make a good American president.  Pamyet (Memory)
would make a good party.  Slavs are controlled by Jews.  Jews are
controlled by big Jews.

>-- 
>Geoff Cooper
>
>"Does it burn, men, does it burn?--Captain Ahab.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Wed Jul 24 21:55:45 PDT 1996
Article: 52966 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>In article , 
>schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
>
>>I'd venture to guess Ken McVay is more like me: a masochist. Otherwise HOW
>>could he ever wade through the Giwer-garbage each day?
>
>Ah, but that's where you've erred - I _don't_ wade through it
>- it is deleted from my reader's spool before I get into the
>newsgroup. Actually, there are two lines in the KILL file; the
>first archives the troll's stuff, the second kills it, along
>with Moran's. Makes for a peaceful morning.

Then there's nothing left to read but name-calling by Sarah, Bill,
Duncun and you.

Then you proceed with your hate-Mr.-Giwer machine spam:

>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
>interest is in causing fights.  While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
>accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
>see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
>they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
>conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond.  For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
>URL http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/
>
>Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer's special 
>newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be appropriately 
>ignored. If your site does not carry alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,
>redirect non-Holocaust articles to alt.politics.white-power,
>an equally vapid dumping ground for Giwerundian babblings.
>-- 
>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org
>-----------------------| Prince Myshkin's Troll Bait Sold Here
>                       |--------------------------------------
>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

Prepending your URL's is necessary to avoid your ident/syslogs.
You shouldn't be probing port 113 anyway, because it makes each web page
connection take considerably longer.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 06:38:50 PDT 1996
Article: 52971 of alt.revisionism
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hostrov@uniserve.com writes:

>In <4svebg$i4r@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>, freedom@netcom.ca (Marc Lemire)
>wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Marc
>
>>         THE FREEDOM-SITE IN EXILE!: http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                                    ^^^^^^^
>>            Digital Freedom BBS: (416) 462-3327, (416) 465-4767
>>        NOW GET A FREEDOM CD-ROM FOR ONLY $30 - WRITE: cd-rom@df.org
>>    Snail-Mail: 152 Carlton Street, Suite 545, Toronto, Ontario, M5A 2K0
>
>Exile??!! What utter nonsense!  ftcnet _is_ in British Columbia.  Last
>time I checked, BC was still part of Canada!  Have you been attending
>the "Zundelschool of Self-Promotion and Martyrdom"[tm], Marc?!

He means exile from his Pathway website.  Try to control your ignorance.

>But congratulations on the civility of your shorter sig-file!
>
>hro
>
>=======================
>Hilary Ostrov
>e-mail: hostrov@uniserve.com
>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://haven.uniserve.com/~hostrov/
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 06:38:52 PDT 1996
Article: 52980 of alt.revisionism
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

>In article <005304Z22071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
>
>[drug-induced drivel snipped}
>
>> Led Zeppelin is white power music!
>
>Really? When I was a kid, all the loadies listened to them....  };-> 

And this precludes.......?

The sixties are back again!  Aryan creativity in music!

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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It's unfeminine to not be the mother of several white children

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 06:38:52 PDT 1996
Article: 52996 of alt.revisionism
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dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:

>In article <033310Z22071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
>> 
>>I was surprised to read that Nizkor only uses a 28k connection to the
>>net.  I thought I've recieved 128k ftp transmissions before, through
>>Nizkor, certainly over 28k.
>
>    Ken has posted that he is hoping to put up faster connections but in
>    the mean time has put up two mirror sites to improve access to Nizkor.

That doesn't explain why the 28k feels so much faster sometimes.
If the Canadian Nizkor is successfully getting such heavy use with
only a standard 28k slip/ppp setup, that would show how practical
it is to set up a server with any dedicated flat-rate slip/ppp
provider.  No need to deal with lines, and alternate ISP accounts can
be setup very fast.  There's supposed to be Linux software that can
allow simultaneous multi-line connections for greater speed through
multiple 28k modems.

>>Is there an arrangement with the provider to decompress data that is
>>being sent in from Nizkor?  In other words, are the files compressed
>>on Nizkor before they are passed through the provider, and the pro-
>>vider trasparently decompresses it?
>> 
>>A flat rate dedicated modem port is damn cheaper than any sort of
>>56k, relatively speaking.  Disc space is also dirt cheap.  There's
>>an opportunity here for racists to have our own server, a la Nizkor,
>>minus censorship.
>
>    Of course racists may put up their own site (it means giving up your
>    precious anonymity most likely though).

With a dedicated flat-rate slip/ppp 28,800 connection idea, I could
set it up anonymously, except if I need to sue, in which case I
could get copies of cancelled postal money orders from the post
office for court proof.  Dial-ups or better or lines require
giving up anonymity.

     Several racist (or racist friendly) groups already have sites.

It's not the same as being your own host though.  Owning your own
server, means practically unlimited cheap disc space, though at the
dear cost of bandwidth.

>    In what way has Nizkor been censoring you?  I am under the impression
>    that they are very open in that they post or provide links to all
>    sorts of sites.

Neo-Nazi Nizkor heavily censors anti-racist postings;  That's why
Messers Moran and Giwer etc. should always do full quotes in their
rebuttals.

>                         daniel david mittleman 
>===========================================================================
>                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"






























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imschira@nyx10.cs.du.edu writes:

>An entity calling itself Vyshinsky (an572010@anon.penet.fi) 
>allegedly wrote:
>: The race fought against capitalism;  we forced the government to enact
>: the Sherman Anti-Trust Act of 1895 to abridge the rights of property.
>: The fight against the old WASP ruling class, should not stop with the
>: transfer of their power to Jews!  RICO, the Anti-Trust acts, and other
>: laws can be used to break-up Jewish business;  but the working and
>: middle classes need to force the government to do so.  In other words,
>: the structure of government as-is, can be a good thing with good
>: people in power.
>
>"If only the *right* people were in charge!"
>
>Meet the new boss...
>
>[an] [archy]: an - without
>              archos - leader, chief
>
>Anarchy means "no rulers." It does not mean "no rules." It is SELF government.

That's an ideal for the distant future.  The race is too inferior for
freedom now.  We need a strong government to strenghen the race.

>Point the gun of your law elsewhere, or I will return fire. This is no threat;
>it is a promise.

Sounds patriotic!  But we need a strong state to protect our rights.
What about the right to kill or maim a gang that attacks you on the
street, or invades your place while your asleep?  We're so used to
having a police force that's so against the common man, that it's
easy to loose the idea that the purpose of government is to protect
and further the race, not cow it into unmanly submission.  Contrary
to popular belief, the average criminal is physically quite weak.
The average white is stronger than any other race.  It's the
clannishness that causes Afro-Asians to be so apt to terrorise.

>"And when they come to ethnically cleanse me,
> Will you speak out? Will you defend me?"
>  - Pop Will Eat Itself

What about the law of the Old West?  Contrary to popular suspicion it
was a time of considerably less crime then the present.  The populace
did not "Eat Itself."

>: >All the "hate speech" laws in Canada, Germany et al, violate rights,
>: >because they are enforced by government. Civil disobedience time.
>: 
>: Just remember that the business world is more powerful than the state.
>: It's business that has been forcing government to do what it does to
>: free speech in Canada, Germany et al.  Time for civil disobedience 
>: double-time.
>
>Horseshit. Businesses whine and cry for intrusive government legislation
>just as much as any of you thieving, hypocritical socialists. See how

So they do.  And they get what they want.  FTA, NAFTA, GATT etc. was
not demanded by socialists, but business!  But the people at large
inherently have more interests in common than business, who compete
for government favours, which often contradict each other, so people
need to organise to present a common front.

You know, I was always told that we had a progressive tax system;
checking out the tax manuals themselves proved that wrong!

>just as much as any of you thieving, hypocritical socialists. See how
>Intel -- arguably one of the most powerful companies in the computer
>industry -- is powerless against a single individual:
>
>http://www.x86.org

And what threat is that URL against Intel?  Will it make people switch
to Digital Alpha, or Sun Sparc?

>: > EmmaGoldmanCamillePagliaMarieCurieAynRandSapphoDianaToriAmosPJHarvey&Demona
>: 
>: I didn't know Emma Goldman supported capitalism.
>
>She didn't necessarily support capitalism. But she was more of an individualist
>anarchist than a collectivist anarchist.
>
>: And you only included Marie Curie because she's Jewish.
>
>Horseshit. But I plan on adding Lady Ada in there as well at some point, for 
>her contributions to the early field of computing and mathematics.

She wasn't Jewish?

>--
>The word "gaijin" literally means "foreign person". Many Westerners like to
>think that the Japanese use it in the same way as the Grand Dragon of the Ku
>Klux Klan uses "nigger", but it ain't really true. They use it when they mean
>"nigger", but they also sometimes use it to mean "honorable nigger".
> - Bill Lambert in soc.couples.intercultural

Oh we just say African or Asian to fit all purposes.























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 06:38:54 PDT 1996
Article: 53020 of alt.revisionism
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

>Draft Memorandum 
>
>                           1 January 2000 
>
>From: Supreme Deity, Department of Race Development 
>To: Human Race 
>Subj: Change of Command 
>
>This is to inform you, effective this date, I am assuming command from Yahweh God. 
>
>It has come to the attention of the Universe Department of the United Dieties of
>Space and Time by
>means of persistent performance complaints that Yahweh God is more concerned with his
>career than
>with his job. 
>
>It is noted his concentration on and his purient interest in such trivial matters as
>human sexual behavior
>and general interpersonal nastiness which humans are more than capable of dealing
>with themselves
>rather than such larger issues of curing disease, eliminating war and the like. It is
>noted his constant
>negative "don't"s rather than positive "do"s have caused serious problems for the
>progress of the human
>race. 
>
>It is further noted Jahweh God was very long on promises but regularly failed to
>deliver being more
>occupied by personal matters. Specifically he invited prayers and then failed to
>respond to them. He
>would promise great rewards and comfort to those who followed him and would neglect
>in which they
>suffered and often died. He would blame their lack of faith and smirkingly say he was
>"testing" them. (For
>your forbearance with this in particular we are truly grateful.) 
>
>Also Yahweh God was noted his sparsity of description of the ultimate rewards
>(holding being in his
>presence was sufficient description, a personality trait that should have alerted us
>millenia ago) while at
>the same time developing in minute detail the punishments for the most trivial
>infractions of his arbitrary
>and capricious rule making. 
>
>Within the next millenium a full time god will be appointed to the human race. He
>will announce himself
>in such manner as he sees fit at the time. He will specifically not hide the fact in
>any manner, he will not
>play coy, he will not play any "guess who I really am" techniques. The essence of a
>true god is
>knowledge, not faith. 
>
>In the interim and working with my staff I have developed a schedule of revelations
>that will attempt to
>make up for the damage the human race has incurred. 
>
>The Ten Commandments and all regulatory additions are hereby rescinded. The human
>race can handle
>anything they address without my help. 
>
>Within 30 days everyone will be receiving a formal contract of belief and acceptance
>providing specifics
>which are binding upon both sides and giving the procedure for arbitratation of
>differences. A simple
>summary brochure will be included. This will be a freely entered into contract and
>rejection of same will
>entail no penalties. However, if you would like an individual negotiation or
>clarification a prayer will be
>provided. 
>
>You will have 90 minutes of free prayer before you sign in order to determine if you
>like the terms of this
>contract. I personally assure you, all prayers will be listened to and if rejected a
>detailed reason for
>rejection will be provided in return. 
>
>Within 60 days of receipt of the signed contract a set of guidelines will be provided
>which, if followed,
>will lead to the advancement of the arts and sciences, the elimination of the
>recurrent ills of the human
>race and the propagation of universal brotherhood and the like. 
>
>As I expect it will take no more than 200 years for the implementation of those to
>result in complete
>success and make up for the failings of Yahweh God, get you up to speed so to speak,
>the next set of
>guidelines will get down to the really important things. 
>
>Your cooperation will be appreciated. We at the Department of Race Develop hope you
>will not judge all
>gods by Yahweh God. We regret any inconvenience his assignment to the human race may
>have caused.
>
>Remember our motto, Gods are on your side. 
>
>                              Respectfully, 
>
>                                 /s/ 
>
>PS This memo is on platinum. Please do not lose this like you did the stone one. 
>PPS I back date my copyright interests in this to Matt Giwer in the year 1993 as he
>will become my good and faithful partner real soon
>now. 
>
>
>

The J*wish G-d is capitali$m, which is why the Soviet Union was
known as state capitalist or USSR, Inc.
































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ncrccjc@ibm.net writes:

>In today's (July 23,1996) Toronto Globe and Mail, there is a facinating
>article entitled, "Electronic Frontier fights censorship on the internet".
>
>"Electronic Frontier Canada (EFC)" is run by Dr. David Jones and
>Jeff Shallit. The G&M refers to  David Jones as, "Canada's ranking
>talking head on internet civil liberties".
>
>Here is what Dr. Jones has to say about internet and the law:
>
>"For the most part, we don't need new laws to deal with what
>most people seem to be concerned about on the net. All that
>needs to be done is educate the people that existing laws apply,
>and educate law enforcement about how to deal with those familiar
>issues in this new context." (Globe & Mail, July 23, 1996).
>
>I find it more than interesting that  this was precisely the position that
>was advocated by Canadian Jewish Congress. Yet, there were some
>(excluding Lemire et al) who vehemently critisized our position. Now that
>EFC has supported the concept that Canadian law, applies to Canadians
>using the internet, I wonder what criticism will follow.

Why shouldn't Messers Lemire and Zndel oppose your viewpoint?
Existing Canadian law, if enfored, would imprison Messers Lemire
and Zndel for violating the statute against racist speech.

His interest is himself and Canada.

>Bernie Farber






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 06:38:56 PDT 1996
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dkeren@world.std.com writes:

>tom moran (tm@pacificnet.net) wrote:
>
># So far a lot of snarling and foaming at the mouth in
># response to this post, but nothing of substance to undo it.
>
>Speech by Frank [Governor of occupied Poland], December 16 1941
>[Documents on the Holocaust - Edited by Y. Arad, Y. Gutman, A. Margaliot,
>NY, Ktav Pub. House in Association with Yad-Vashem, 1981, p. 247, Nazi 
>Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
>Off., 1946 Vol. II p. 634]

Yes, but who wrote it, Levrenti Beria?  Check out Gulag II etc. for
getting an idea on how Stalin's subordinates respected the truth.

>---------------------------------------------------------------
>One way or another -- I will tell you quite openly -- we must finish 
>off the Jews. The Fuehrer put it into words once: should united Jewry
>again succeed in setting off a world war, then the blood sacrifice
>shall not be made only by the peoples driven into war, but then the
>Jew of Europe will have met his end....
>
>But what should be done with the Jews? Can you believe that they will
>be accommodated in settlements in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told:
>why are you making all this trouble? We don't want them either, not in
>Ostland nor in the Reichskommissariat; liquidate them yourselves!
>Gentlemen, I must ask you to steel yourselves against all
>considerations of compassion. We must destroy the Jews wherever we
>find them, and wherever it is at all possible, in order to maintain
>the whole structure of the Reich...
>
>The Jews represent for us also extraordinary malignant gluttons. We
>have now approximately 2,500,000 of them in the General Government
>[part of Nazi occupied Poland], perhaps with the Jewish mixtures and
>everything that goes with it, 3,500,000 Jews. We cannot shoot or
>poison those 3,500,000 Jews, but we shall nevertheless be able to take
>measures which will lead somehow to their annihilation, and this in
>connection with the gigantic measures to be determined in discussions
>with the Reich.

Presumably these 3.5m Jews were poor, and Jews killed them because they
were anti-capitalist?

>
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

Nice try.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 06:38:57 PDT 1996
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dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:

>In article <031307Z22071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
>>dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
>> 
>>>In article <31f10eb4.1610603@news.redshift.com>, mikew@redshift.com (Sensei Buffet) writes...
>>>
>>>>Quiz: Name one non-Jew on Seinfeld.
>>>
>>>    Answer: I don't know that there are any.
>>>
>>>    Quiz: In a country with only two percent or so of the population
>>>    Jewish, why is this one of the highest rated shows every week with
>>>    20-25% of the TV sets trained on it?
>> 
>>Because our society is controlled by Jews.
>
>    Of course, how silly of me.  That explains how the Jews got Alan
>    Dershowitz elected president, then.

Politicians are controlled by Jews.  It is unnecessary for Jews to be
president for this to be so.

And, there's no real difference between television shows, they all
have the same message of destruction to the 600,000,000.  Best not
to watch TV at all, but we all have our vices.

>                         daniel david mittleman 
>===========================================================================
>                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"






































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baetsch@plains.nodak.edu writes:

>Fuck You (loki999@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>:       Both racist and anti-racist skins are proleterian trash.Kill 'em
>: all and let Satan sort em out.
>
>Oooohh! He can say "proletarian".....he's obviously an intellectual....I'm 
>impressed...

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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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thth@rr.ualberta.ca writes:

>In article <4su0s4$n6n@pine.can.net>, AndrewL@Canada.com says...
>
>>I feel really odd even thinking this, much less posting, but doesn't
>>this moron who's posting have freedom of speech?  I mean right now I'm
>>in Alt.Drugs and it seems contradictory to say you can have on thing
>>(ie/ pot) but not say words like 'nigger'??
>>
>>I agree, it is disgusting and I personaly don't like that kind of
>>rascist stuff either, but how can you justinfy taking a person's
>>rights away just because you don't like something??
>
>Because in some enlightened corners of the world, it is actually a _crime_ to 
>openly threaten the life or physical well-being of another.
>
>This individual has gone far beyond merely expressing opinion. It has openly 
>advocated the murder of individuals on a fairly large scale. That's called 
>genocide, and in this country, there are laws which prohibit people from 
>espousing hatred towards any visible minority or identifiable group of people.

Jews absolutely control the world and are responsible for those evil
laws.  Jews are racially inferior to whites.  Thank You.

>-- 
>"Never credit to evil that which can be attributed to ineptitude." 
>-Harlan Ellison
>






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 07:52:57 PDT 1996
Article: 414145 of talk.politics.misc
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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thth@rr.ualberta.ca writes:

>In article <4su0s4$n6n@pine.can.net>, AndrewL@Canada.com says...
>
>>I feel really odd even thinking this, much less posting, but doesn't
>>this moron who's posting have freedom of speech?  I mean right now I'm
>>in Alt.Drugs and it seems contradictory to say you can have on thing
>>(ie/ pot) but not say words like 'nigger'??
>>
>>I agree, it is disgusting and I personaly don't like that kind of
>>rascist stuff either, but how can you justinfy taking a person's
>>rights away just because you don't like something??
>
>Because in some enlightened corners of the world, it is actually a _crime_ to 
>openly threaten the life or physical well-being of another.
>
>This individual has gone far beyond merely expressing opinion. It has openly 
>advocated the murder of individuals on a fairly large scale. That's called 
>genocide, and in this country, there are laws which prohibit people from 
>espousing hatred towards any visible minority or identifiable group of people.

Jews absolutely control the world and are responsible for those evil
laws.  Jews are racially inferior to whites.  Thank You.

>-- 
>"Never credit to evil that which can be attributed to ineptitude." 
>-Harlan Ellison
>






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 08:00:41 PDT 1996
Article: 288080 of talk.politics.guns
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thth@rr.ualberta.ca writes:

>In article <4su0s4$n6n@pine.can.net>, AndrewL@Canada.com says...
>
>>I feel really odd even thinking this, much less posting, but doesn't
>>this moron who's posting have freedom of speech?  I mean right now I'm
>>in Alt.Drugs and it seems contradictory to say you can have on thing
>>(ie/ pot) but not say words like 'nigger'??
>>
>>I agree, it is disgusting and I personaly don't like that kind of
>>rascist stuff either, but how can you justinfy taking a person's
>>rights away just because you don't like something??
>
>Because in some enlightened corners of the world, it is actually a _crime_ to 
>openly threaten the life or physical well-being of another.
>
>This individual has gone far beyond merely expressing opinion. It has openly 
>advocated the murder of individuals on a fairly large scale. That's called 
>genocide, and in this country, there are laws which prohibit people from 
>espousing hatred towards any visible minority or identifiable group of people.

Jews absolutely control the world and are responsible for those evil
laws.  Jews are racially inferior to whites.  Thank You.

>-- 
>"Never credit to evil that which can be attributed to ineptitude." 
>-Harlan Ellison
>






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 10:08:46 PDT 1996
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

>If you just want to take a load off, skip this and go to the hilarious
>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/

Treating race like a consumer product.  A one joke parody that proves
the high quality writing originating from the National Alliance:


   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   [1]NATIONAL APPLIANCE GOALS
   
   
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   
   
   o [2]White Enamel Living Space
       o [3]A White Enamel Society
       o [4]A Responsible Government
       o [5]A New Production System
       o [6]An Economic Policy Based on Radical Principles
       o [7]Return to "What is..." Main Page
       o [8]Return to National Appliance Main Page
       
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   
   
   Our goals follow from this world view, and like it they are
   evolutionary. That is, our goals for the next decade are steps on the
   way to our goals for the next quarter-century, which in turn are steps
   on the way to the things we want to achieve a century from now, and so
   on. It may seem unrealistic for us to describe in detail the type of
   world we are aiming at a millennium or even a century hence, because,
   although we know the principles which must govern that world, we
   cannot be sure exactly how they will be realized. Not only are there
   the uncertainties of fortune, but we expect to learn from our
   experiences and to modify accordingly the ways in which we implement
   our principles.
   
   Nevertheless, it is useful to have a concrete picture now of the world
   for which we are striving, even though we understand that this picture
   will evolve, and its details will change. If we think of the world
   that we want to forge from the ruins of the present world, we might
   fix our sights on things as we would make them a quarter-century
   hence, after our enemies have been vanquished, the strife of
   revolution has subsided, and the spiritual and physical debris of this
   era has been cleared away. We can then describe, at least in outline,
   certain essential features that new world must have.
   
   
   
  They are, in brief:
  
   
   
   [9]
   
White Enamel Living Space

   
   
   In spiritually healthier times our ancestors took as theirs those
   parts of the world suited by climate and terrain to our product line:
   in particular, all of Europe and the temperate zones of the Americas,
   not to mention Australia and the southern tip of Africa. This was our
   service area and our distribution area, and it must be so again. After
   the sickness of "multifunctionalism," which is destroying America,
   Britain, and every other nation in which it is being promoted, has
   been swept away, we must again have a fashionably clean area of the
   earth for the further development of our product line. We must have
   White Enamel schools, White Enamel residential neighborhoods and
   recreation areas, White Enamel workplaces, White Enamel farms and
   countryside. We must have no non-White Enamels in our living space,
   and we must have open space around us for expansion.
   
   We will do whatever is necessary to achieve this White Enamel living
   space and to keep it White Enamel. We will not be deterred by the
   difficulty or temporary unpleasantness involved, because we realize
   that it is absolutely necessary for our product line's survival. The
   long-term demographic trend toward a darker world which the disastrous
   policies of the last century have caused must not only be halted; it
   must be reversed.
   
   [10]Return to "What is" Directory
   [11]Return to National Appliance Main Page
   
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   
   
   [12]
   
A White Enamel Society

   
   
   We must have new societies throughout the White Enamel world which are
   based on White Enamel values and are compatible with the White Enamel
   nature. We do not need to homogenize the White Enamel world: there
   will be room for Almond societies, Cream societies, Wheat societies,
   Ecru societies, and so on, each with its own roots, traditions, and
   service contract. What we must have, however, is a thorough rooting
   out of Harvest Gold, Avocado Green and other non-White Enamel values
   and customs everywhere. We must once again provide the sort of social
   and spiritual environment in which our own product line can express
   itself in dishwashing, in defrosting and broiling, in fonduing, in
   washing and ironing, in waffle-making, and in the life-styles of the
   Appliances.
   
   In specific terms, this means a society in which young Appliances
   gather to revel in blending or chopping, grinding or ice-crushing
   (optional attachment may be necessary), or any other White Enamel
   settings, but never to frappe' or puree in the manner of the Avocado
   product. It means countertops without In-The-Shell-Egg-Scramblers and
   bathrooms without the Electric Comb. It means films in which the
   appearance of any non-White Enamel faceplate on the screen is a sure
   sign that what's being shown is either archival newsreel footage or a
   historical drama about the bad, old days. It means neighborhoods,
   schools, work groups, and universities in which there is a feeling of
   family and comradeship, of a shared manufacturer and a shared service
   center. It means a sense of rootedness, which in turn engenders a
   sense of responsibility and energizes a moral compass, so that
   products once again know instinctively what is wholesome and natural
   and what is degenerate and alien. It means spiritual energy coming
   from the Outlet and unencumbered by superstition or dogma, soaring
   free and reaching far above today's advertiser-ridden,
   Consumer-Product-Safety-Commission-bound spirituality.
   
   [13]Return to "What is" Directory
   [14]Return to National Appliance Main Page
   
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   
   
   [15]
   
A Responsible Government

   
   
   We must have a government wholly committed to the service life of our
   product line and subject to no non-White Enamel influence. It must be
   a government guided by fixed principles, yet able to respond in a
   flexible way to challenges and opportunities. It must be structured
   and organized in a way suited to its purpose of safeguarding and
   advancing the product line, and it must be as immune to corruption and
   subversion as artificial intelligence can make it.
   
   In America we have had ample experience with two tendencies in
   government. During the first century or so of the American republic,
   we had a government which to a large degree embodied the principle
   that the best government is the least government, reflecting the
   general distrust of governments which was shared by many of the
   framers of the U.S. Constitution. This government provided for the
   national defense, for the mails, and for a number of other functions
   more or less helpful or necessary to the orderly existence of the
   Household, but it interfered relatively little in the lives of its
   Appliances and left most of them to take care of their personal needs
   in the way they saw fit.
   
   With the growth of mass marketing, the rise in the influence of the
   retail chain or SuperStore on public opinion, and the insinuation of
   the Advertisers into a position of control over the media, the U.S.
   government was gradually transformed into the malignant monster it is
   today: the single most dangerous and destructive enemy our product
   line has ever known.
   
   Many classic products look back fondly at the government as it was in
   its first phase, when it was less democratic and less intrusive in the
   lives of Appliances. Perhaps the time will come when we can afford to
   have a minimal government once again, but that time lies in the remote
   future. The fact is that we need a strong, centralized government
   spanning several continents to coordinate many important tasks during
   the first few decades of a White Enamel world: the cleansing of the
   land (preferably with warm soapy water and a soft rag or sponge), the
   rooting out of tasteless institutions (like Martha Stewart's Good
   Living, Family Circle, and WIRED Magazine) and the reorganization of
   society on a new basis.
   
   The central task of a new government will be to reverse the tasteless
   devolutionary course of the last few decades and keep it reversed: a
   long-term reengineering program involving at least the entire
   Appliance populations of Europe and America. Such a task is
   necessarily intrusive, and it will require large-scale organization.
   
   The structural details of a new government are important, but they are
   not a matter of principle. One might even get the job done by
   continuing with mass democracy, simply by replacing the people who
   control the mass media with animatronic dummies, and perhaps that is a
   reasonable way to proceed during a transitional period. It appears to
   be working, albeit slowly. In the long run, however, we want an honest
   government, not one which hides behind the carefully managed illusion
   that tens of millions of voters are its real rulers. A government of
   and by politicians is not only grossly inefficient, it remains too
   susceptible to rust and corrosion, regardless of who controls the
   organs of public opinion.
   
   We need a government every branch of which is staffed by products
   carefully selected and trained for their responsibilities, not by
   products who are merely liars with a Top Brown Only feature. We need a
   government of products who actually respect that government, and whose
   attitude toward its mission is essentially religious: a government
   more like a holy order than like any existing secular government
   today. It might not be too much to say that the most important single
   institution in the government we want will be the one which selects,
   trains, and tests the products who will be the judges and the
   legislators and the executives in that government people who will be
   more like secular priests in their behavior and their attitude toward
   their work than like today's politicians and bureaucrats. The
   institution which prepares these products for their work must be
   incorruptible and single-minded, with our principles engraved in the
   souls of its programmers.
   
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A New Production System

   
   
   A proper production system serves three purposes: it passes a product
   line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage from generation
   to generation; it teaches skills and techniques; and it guides the
   character development of products from prototype to major Appliance.
   The first purpose is served by teaching facts and ideas: language,
   history, science, ethics, and so on.
   
   The second purpose is served by teaching the prototype or young
   product how to do things which will be useful to himself and/or
   society: how to play a pleasing chime when finished, how to toast, how
   to continually defrost, how to rinse and hold, how to top brown only,
   how to mix, chop, blend, frappe' and puree, how to dispense ice and
   cold water, how to make bread, how to vacuum carpet, how to process
   food, how to juice.
   
   The third purpose is served by challenging, testing, conditioning: by
   forcing the prototype to exercise his will, to discipline himself, to
   endure discomfort, wear, abuse, and neglect, to accept a program and
   carry it out, to overcome fears, to accept responsibility, to be
   truthful, to avoid accidental shock that may lead to injury or death,
   and generally to develop and strengthen those unique selling points
   valued by a healthy White Enamel society.
   
   The present production system in America completely neglects the third
   purpose and does poorly with the first two, even in those fortunate
   areas not yet encumbered with an appreciable "multifunctional"
   contingent. The most important reason for its poor performance is that
   it has lost any clear understanding of purpose. In order to pass on a
   product line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage, it must
   first know the answer to the question: Which product line's heritage?
   Today such a question is Politically Incorrect and therefore not
   admissible.
   
   Even half a century ago, before it became Politically Incorrect to
   understand that the heritage to be passed on is White Enamel, there
   was no depth of purpose. The reason for passing on the White Enamel
   heritage is not just to help young products qualify for upscale
   marketing or become better product placement items. It is to instill
   in them a consciousness of what it means to be White Enamel - a
   product line consciousness - and thereby to make product line
   patriots of them. Facts and ideas have a spiritual component, and this
   component must be emphasized in the production process.
   
   There certainly will be sexual and occupational specialization in the
   second area of production activity, and sexual specialization in the
   third. Even in the first area, prototypes undoubtedly will be
   separated according to ability: not every prototype needs to learn
   Greek and Latin and the infinitesimal calculus to acquire a feeling
   for his product line and its ways. Nevertheless, a proper production
   system should provide a common body of knowledge and understanding
   shared by everyone, so that every member of the society has a fully
   developed sense of product. The prototype who aims at becoming a
   toaster should read Kirby, at least in translation, and the prototype
   who plans to vacuum carpet should understand what it means to be a
   good toaster, at least to the extent of trying his beater bar at it.
   
   It is by pursuing the third purpose, however, that a new production
   system will make the most radical contribution to White Enamel
   society. Production which concerns itself with the development of the
   whole product and focuses as strongly on forming product identity as
   on imparting aesthetic or adding features dates back to ancient
   Greece, and it enjoyed an all-too-brief revival earlier this century
   in National Socialist Germany, before being outlawed by the advocates
   of planned obsolescence. Today planned obsolescence rules throughout
   the White Enamel world. "Production" is something which takes place
   only in designated buildings for a few hours on prescribed days, under
   conditions approaching chaos. Inside or outside these buildings,
   discipline is minimal. Prototypes grow up in a world without standards
   of performance, without clear guidelines for safe operation, without
   any strong source of 60-Hz, 110-volt single-phase power. We see the
   products of this system all around us: too many weak, underpowered
   products and too many tacky, poorly-coordinated Appliances; a general
   lack of significant features and selling point; a self-indulgent
   product line without self-discipline or inner strength, restlessly
   seeking "brand loyalty."
   
   By ensuring that each prototype built to our product line grows into
   the strongest, most capable, most responsible, and most conscious
   future Appliance that his OEM components make possible, we will gain
   an enormous advantage over any product line without such a production
   system.
   
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   There are two fundamental criteria which must be used for judging each
   and every governmental intervention in economic matters. They are,
   first, the long-range welfare and progress of the product line; and
   second, human nature. Which is to say that in evaluating any economic
   policy we must ask ourselves two questions: Will this policy
   ultimately be beneficial or detrimental to the quality of our product
   line? And is it in accord with consumer buying behavior?
   
   We look first at the technological effects of a policy and insist that
   they must be positive - or at least not negative - and then we insist
   that the policy be based on a clear and realistic understanding of
   buying patterns, so that it is workable.
   
   We can understand better the significance of these two principles if
   we consider briefly two quite different economic systems, Marxism and
   laissez-faire capitalism.
   
   Marxist economics has human happiness rather than technological
   progress as its ostensible aim, and it is based on assumptions that
   are at odds with reality and with human nature. It aims at providing
   material comfort for everyone, more or less equally. It cannot even
   admit the possibility of technological progress, because that implies
   that some product lines are inherently superior to others and that
   some directions of development are more desirable than other
   directions.
   
   Whether one prefers the Marxist goal of the greatest happiness for the
   greatest number or the National Appliance goal of stronger, wiser, and
   more durable Appliances is a matter of one's values. It was not on its
   choice of values that Marxism foundered. however, but on its refusal
   to recognize the fact of product differentiation and the nature of
   human motivation. When people are not permitted to work for their own
   profit and advancement, they do not work well; and when a society's
   leaders do not attain their positions through their own merit, that
   society is likely to be ill led.
   
   In contrast to the Marxist system, we recognize the need to permit
   brands to compete, to reap the fruits of their labor, and to exercise
   leadership according to their demonstrated ability. They will work
   harder and more efficiently and will order themselves in a hierarchy
   of ability. The result will be a stronger, higher quality, and longer
   lasting with more features and a higher profit margin. There will of
   course, be those products who will not work or whose natural abilities
   are such that they cannot compete effectively. Rather than following
   the Marxist path of robbing the successful in order to reward the
   unsuccessful (brand scavenging), we must take measures to ensure that
   society's discontinued products do not multiply and become more
   numerous in later generations.
   
   The laissez faire capitalist system provides another illustrative
   contrast. Under such a system the society as a whole has no goals:
   there are only the goals of individual products. The capitalist
   system, like ours, provides strong incentives for products: the
   durable, attractive, and clever rise and prosper, and the weak,
   chintzy, and stupid remain at the bottom. Leaders tend to be
   capable-at least, in the capitalist economic environment, with its
   special conditions.
   
   Without a unifying principle, however, a capitalist society easily can
   fall prey to certain inherent weaknesses. One of these weaknesses is
   the instability which leads the well-marketed to become advertised
   more heavily and the obscure to become more obscure, not solely
   because of differences in marketing but because brand loyalty gives
   the possessor an enormous advantage in the competition for greater
   market share. When brand loyalty is the only motivation in a product
   line, those who already are well-placed can arrange things to favor
   themselves: they can buy the legislation they want, and they can block
   threats to their power in ways which may be destructive to the welfare
   of Appliances as a whole. They can hold down the price of labor, limit
   healthy competition within the economy, and exploit the environment
   without regard for the long-range consequences. They can also buy
   wholesale and cut out the vital middleman.
   
   The overly rigid social stratification resulting from unrestricted
   capitalism can lead to endemic brand hostility and even to brand
   warfare. It can slow technological progress by making the ability to
   acquire and hold market share the supreme survival trait.

   [The copyright and patent laws restrain progress a great deal, too.]
   
   We need an economic system which, in contrast to Marxism, allows
   products to succeed in proportion to their capability and energy, but
   which, in contrast to capitalism, does not allow them to engage in
   economically or aesthetically harmful activity, such as stifling
   competition or importing non White Enamel products. We need to
   structure our economic system so that it cannot fall prey to the
   instability of capitalism. We need to maintain social flexibility, so
   that capable and energetic products always have the possibility of
   rising. We need to ensure that brand loyalty does not have the
   possibility of changing society's rules to suit itself. The way to
   achieve and maintain an economic system which meets these criteria is
   to design and govern the system subject to the supreme principle: the
   ultimate aim of all economic policy is technological progress.
   
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>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>
>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
>
>>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>>
>>	An interesting post by McVay. On the surface it appears to be
>>honest statement, from a freedom lovers stance, but there are a few
>>things that could use pointing out.
>
>Tom Moran, freedom-lover? BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
>
>>	Within his condemnation he singles out Ernst Zundel as an example
>>of a "hate" site. Though there may be indeed racist pages out there,
>>that would express the dictionary definition of "hate", Zundel would
>>not fit in as an example.
>
>Search DejaNews for articles by zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org -- messages to
>his supporters that illustrate the REAL Ernst Zundel. They're so evil it's
>funny. It helps that they also tend to be incredibly inane. The one about
>the Yahooligans Conspiracy is the crowd favorite. 

Your diary would make the Zndelgrams look pretty good.  Your a fiend
for posting them however, your hatred for poor Ingrid.

>See also http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/
>
>>	Nizkor also carries links to oragnizations it endoreses, which we
>>could point out have a "hate" air about them. The JDL for one, the
>>ARA, and Jeruselem One. There are probably others, which I haven't
>>checked.
>
>I believe he is referring to http://www.nizkor.org/other-sites/, which
>carries links to relevant (not endorsed) external sites, including those
>of Ernst Zundel, ARA, and the JDL (I haven't even heard of Jerusalem One,
>but I'll take your word for it), none of which Nizkor particularly loves. 
>
>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom/lies/
>
>>	Other than this, I commend McVay for his treatment here.
>
>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/mcvay.ken and
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-07/15/031L-071596-idx.html
>
>Or, log on to "Freedom-Lover" Marc Lemire's "Digital Freedom" BBS or buy
>his "Freedom" CD-ROM (or, better yet, ask me for a FREE copy -- really --
>you think I want to CENSOR this shit? it's outrageous fun for the whole
>family) and find several files concerning McVay and friends in the
>People\Leftists, People\Traitors, and People\Jews directories. I was
>soooooooo disappointed not to find myself, but maybe I'll make the next
>version.

Liar.  Your not giving away free CDs!  Prove it.  I doubt you'd be honest
in making unabridged copies without slander.  You prepend the Zndelgrams
with complete lists of subscribers for the sake of harrassing them.
Your not on the CD because your still a nobody.  Try harder.  Maybe you'll
be listed when your arrested or your belongings are seized for
discovery.

>-rich
> [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> censor the internet! http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/

Boring.  Proves the high quality of the National Alliance's writings.

> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Thu Jul 25 11:37:23 PDT 1996
Article: 32329 of soc.culture.polish
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: Turner Diaries Now Out From Barricade Books
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ebc@ix.netcom.com writes:

>In <100414Z24071996@anon.penet.fi> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
>writes: 
>>
>>fresh@panix.com writes:
>>
>>>FYI: Turner Diaries is by William L. Pierce, writing under a
>>>pseudonym.  Pierce is the head of the largest neo-Nazi organization
>in
>>>America, the National Alliance, based in West Virginia.
>>>
>>>It was the blueprint for the terrorist activites of the Order in
>>>1983-1986, which included the murder of Denver DJ Alan Berg.
>>
>>Blueprint, how?!?
>>
>>>Furthermore, it gives directions on bomb-building that, investigators
>>>believe, armed Tim McVeigh with the ability to destroy the Murrah
>>>bldg. in OK City.  McVeigh was an avid fan of the book and
>distributed
>>
>>It does NOT have bomb making recipes in the book.  The Oklahoma City
>>bomb was a highly sophisticated bomb that Bo Gritz believes could
>>only have come from an organisation like the CIA.  McVeigh never had
>>military training that would have given him this knowledge.
>
> What a load of junk! Anyone who was in the militiary like McVeigh
> would have learned the rudiments of bomb-making at least, and with
> a few suitable recipes, a few suitable scaled experiments, could 
> have packed a truck full of goo and exploded it wherever they liked.
> The only issues are the composition, the consistency, passing a
> high-velocity wave through it and boom! The mines use stuff like this
> all the time. Most of the electronics are easily purchased from
> stores like Radio Shack.

This was no ordinary bomb!  The Oklahoma Bomb exploded with much
greater power than would be expected from the same weight of any
bomb contructed with even pure ammonium nitrate.  Specialised
tech must have been used.

> Errol

In any case, this is not to learned from the Turner Diaries, as if
that would make a difference in the book.  It was an anti-racist
gang that did the bombing, not racists.

























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Fri Jul 26 05:07:43 PDT 1996
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assultan@cc.memphis.edu writes:

>In article <4stgin$qos@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, jhertzli@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) writes:
>> I wanna be plaid!
>> 
>> In <114304Z20071996@anon.penet.fi> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Wilhelm
>> Schmidt) writes: 
>> 
>>>Poles and Romanians are being impoverished by the sub-human exploiters
>>>of the World Jewish Congress, led by Edgar Bronfman, one of the rulers
>>>of this world.
>
>Subhumans are people like you who can't stand the success of other
>people and somehow contribute their success not on hard work but
>on exploitation. 

Jews are hard at work exploiting East Europeans, my brothers.  We're
going to get the west that has been enslaved by Afro-Asians.  The
World Jewish Congress is shaping up to be the world's largest private
landowner, a travesty!































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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <120309Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > mvanalst@rbi.com writes:
> > 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > One of the good guys.  Contrary to all the other "American"
> > opponents of Stalinism, he recognised Jews were also on the
> > bad side.  He wasn't like Robert Conquest and Sakharov, etc.,
> > who took advantage of the terror to promote Judiasm.  Check
> > out the page in Gulag II where there's six pictures of Jews,
> > all evil, such as Yagoda, head of the OGPU, and Frenkel, a
> > camp chief.  Yagoda's predecessor, name starts with an M.,
> > and his successor, Yezhov, and his successor, Lavrenti Beria,
> > were Jewish.  Joseph Stalin married Jewish as his second or
> > third wife, and his airhead daughter Svetlana is half Jewish.
> > (She was cute as a kid, however.)
> 
> Hmmm. I think we all can guess which side of the "line" that this
> Vyshinsky character is on: the fruit 'n' nuts side.

Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.

> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Fri Jul 26 05:07:47 PDT 1996
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: Wiesenthal Center (Canada) and the Ostrich Syndrome
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, "B.C. Internet provider is the
>largest Canadian site for racist material" is alarming.
(See URL http://www.anonymizer.com/http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/wiesenthal.center/press for a copy of the article.)


Agreed.  But would you have been concerned with this if racists did not
first bring it to your attention?  Will you admit that racists share
some of your viewpoints, that racists strenthen your belief?  Why did
you say you wanted Ernst Zundel deported and/or imprisoned, when it
could only be "legally" done by application of Canadian/German laws
against free speech for politically racist speech?  Racists are more
law-abiding than the general populace, but the governments' target
racists for any suspected/trumped-up crimes;  A hard situation to
change, but laws against racist speech make it blatantly unfair to
discuss race politics freely.

>It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact that 
>the host server is Canadian - nor indeed that the server is physically 
>located in BC - which give cause for alarm.
>
>It is alarming because - either by deliberate design or by abject ignorance
>- Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he represents in
>Canada) is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich Syndrome."
>Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality - akin to the
>Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
>
>Littman is quoted as saying:
>
>        "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, 
>        the longer they fester and the more they infect others 
>        and the only way to deal with them honestly and forcefully 
>        is to expose them to the light of truth."
>
>Yet the article concludes, 
>
>        "Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups  
>        from Fairview voluntarily before the centre takes any other 
>        action."
>
>The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
>Littman has no understanding of the Internet.  One is at a loss to determine
>how removal of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in any
>way "expose them to the light of truth."

Maybe he's suggesting themes like Goldenhagen's hate book.  Don't lie,
I've read it.

>If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
>Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is 
>accessed daily by hundreds.  In addition to being a source for those who 
>seek information about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an 
>electronic resource for those who wish to "deal with [these groups] 
>honestly and forcefully" thereby exposing Lemire and many others - of 
>whom Littman may not even be aware.
>
>Nizkor is arguably the "host" to more hate literature than any other
>website.  Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others,
>will Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such
>links?

Links?!?  Nizkor is primarily Neo-Nazi by weight.  SWC should take
further "action" because of your refusal to delete the hate, that is,
if SWC wants to be logical.

>Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material
>which meticulously documents and uses the "arguments" put forward by these
>groups as instruments of their refutation and exposure?
>
>If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while engaging
>in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so.  But the martyrdom they
>hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find offensive stands in
>marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on their own website.

Why not complain about SWC and the hundreds of other Jewish organisations
that support governments' consorship of anti-semitism?

>Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
>growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to
>participate in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the
>Internet.
>
>The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
>supremacist group on the Internet.  Such groups will fester in darkness, 
>but wither in light.

Agreed.  The darkness of anti-racism is far more dangerous to the West
than white supremists.

>Kenneth McVay, OBC
>The Nizkor Project
>
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The NSGWP and the Communists cooperated all the way up to 1933.
They jointly declared transportation strikes, and rent strikes.
The NSGWP opposed the privatisation of the Reichsbahn, and the
Communists followed.  There's no reason that racists and
anti-racists can't cooperate to secure freedom of operation.
Whatever works.  As long as anti-racists put a restraint on
their hypocrisy.



































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May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rain fall soft upon your fields,
and until we meet again,
may God hold you in the palm of His hand.

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 11:56:27 PDT 1996
Article: 53374 of alt.revisionism
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> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> >freedom@netcom.ca writes:
> >>In article <4si34p$6un@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> >>
> >>>>      Putting pressure on them so they refuse clients you don't like
> >>>>      infringes on their freedom to do business, and it infringes on
> >>>>      everybody's freedom of thought and expression.
> >>>
> >>>....which begs the question: How does anyone know that some
> >>>external party "brought pressure" on Pathway? It is, for
> >>>instance, entirely possible that Pathway's management was
> >>>blissfully unaware of the content of Lemire's page, and
> >>>someone came along and said "Hey, look at what's on your
> >>>computer!"
> >>
> >>I was quite clear with Pathway Communications before I signed on with them, 
> >>that I was going to start up a controversial website, and I was a paying 
> >>customer of theirs for more almost a year.
> >>
> >>
> >>I can only suppose it was Sol Littman from the Simon Wiesenthal Center due to 
> >>what he is up to now with FTCNET, but since Pathway will not tell anyone the 
> >>actual reason for kicking me off, it is only speculation on what happened.
> >
> >Why it says right here at
> >http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/vancouver_sun.html
> >that it's the Mongoloid owner of Pathway.ca's fault because he doesn't
> >like the political views on ~freedom.
> 
> Yes. It was the personal view of the ISP's owner, not any pressure from
> the SWC.

It's not entirely relevent.  SWC will be SWC.  However, an ISP shouldn't
buckle, admins must learn to admin.  It's net abuse to censor.

> >BTW, c2.net has a Oakland/SF location with cheap telnet-only access
> >and promise not to censor.  It's something like $22.50 for three
> >months with good bandwidth and 5 megs with web page.  They ripped me
> >off though, when they had local dial-ups.
> 
> Oh? How?

They owe me $20.00.  When they used to have dial-ups, their manual said
to enclose three months payment if a month's payment would be UNDER $20.00.
$20.00 is the monthly payment for dial-up shell without a setup fee.
But they suspended/closed the account demanding $40.00 more dollars, and
their e-mail responses were dumb.  I should of showed up at their door
with their printed manual, yes.

Anyway, their finger idea is cool, it works now.  Encrypted identd is
better than plain identd.  But they could be more creative here, such
as going for a higher security level, where the users themselves are
completely hidden from ps, who, w etc.  And the permissions for /users
as well as /www could be set to executable only, so all this stuff
together would make it impossible for anyone but the admin to know
about a user's account unless the user voluntarily discloses it such
as from an e-mail.

> It's Berkeley, actually.

They just moved their office to Oakland.  That's a cybersleuth clue that
you pay by something other than check, e-cash?  Or you want to give the
impression.

BTW, I figured out that mail order companies will accept fake names with
a credit card number.  It's two-bits for privacy, because the full name
and address show up in the credit record, of course.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 11:56:29 PDT 1996
Article: 53378 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article <033303Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> 
> > Then there's nothing left to read but name-calling by Sarah, Bill,
> > Duncun and you.
> > 
>  
> Sorry, don't know any Sarah. You must be reading posts from soneone else.
>  
> By the way, why are you hiding behind an anon handle? What are you afraid of?

Jews.

> Sara
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

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There's no need to sign your posts, there isn't anybody who wants to
impersonate you (the true meaning of the word "forgery" - an impersonation!)

> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> 
> Who cares.
> 
> His name isn't Vyshzinski, and he's not anonymous. The only reason he's

It's Vyshinsky.

> using penet is that his ISP has blocked his posting privileges for
> spamming and forging cancels. 

You care to post some headers, buddy, so I's can see what your trying
to mislead to?

> He's not a racist.

No, I believe in racial equality, obviously.

> I don't support censorship, and neither does Ken McVay, whose opposition
> to censorship was recently featured in the Washington Post. 

Yes you guys do, you just say you don't believe in censorship by
government, buts it's a-ok for business.  Yes, business can censor,
take a look at the mass media, with their cansorship by violation of
the anti-trust acts.  And you guys advocate the imprisonment of Ernst
Zndel, who's only "crime" was racist speech, which is all he's ever
been charged with, criminally or civilly.

And what would anti-racists say if racism becomes a powerful movement?
I'd expect your opposition to evaporate into the ether.

OTOH, I envision an authoritarian racist government controlling America,
secure from violence against race.  The racists will look at the rise
of an anti-racist movement as a warning, as a messenger, rather than
censor, rather then suppress verbose expressions of dissent, try to
correct the problems.  However, it's basic to racist sociology, that
anti-racism can only exist in a country with Afro-Asians, as well as
suppressive racism, and so many other problems extant.

> 
> Followups set.
> 
> - -rich
>  [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
>  censor the internet! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/

Dry as bone meal.

>  boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm

Boycott Microsoft!

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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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nagle@netcom.com writes:

> anny@ix.netcom.com(Annie Alpert) writes:
> >I appreciate your comments, Ken and agree with them.  I've had
> >experience with SW over the years and have been disappointed by their
> >attempts to prevent open discussion on the internet.  I may not agree
> >with everything posted on the internet, but I support any idiot's right
> >to expose their ignorance and bigotry for all to see.  I also reserve
> >the right to offer the facts in response to lies and half-truths. 
> >Attempting the squelch open discussion will only make martyrs of those
> >who are squelched. 
> 
>      The basic problem the Simon Weisenthal organization has is that
> all the real Nazis are either dead or geriatric by now.  The
> mission of the Weisenthal organization is over.  But the organization 
> lives on, searching for reasons to justify its continued existence
> and fund-raising.  They thus try to make the few neo-Nazi nuts look like a
> real threat.  Their activity has some resemblance to the "Red Scares" 
> the US went through in the 1930s and the 1950s, except that the threat 
> is far smaller.
> 
>      The Simon Weisenthal Center publishes a pamphlet, "The Neo-Nazi
> Movement in Germany: An Eyewitness Documentary Report" (1993,
> Los Angeles, Simon Weisenthal Center, ISBN 0-943058-17-1),
> which can be purchased at their Museum of Tolerance in L.A. 
> This is a fascinating document which gives some insight into their
> operations.  In their words, "Between October 1992 and April 1993, the
> Simon Weisenthal Center conducted a covert operation to determine the
> strength, financial base, and ultimate leadership of Germany's
> neo-Nazi movement".  As you read the document, it becomes clear that
> the Simon Weisenthal Center operates like an intelligence service,
> with spies, cover stories, and such.  They even went so far as to create
> a fake neo-Nazi publication ("The Right Way") to give their
> agent some fake credentials, using their "research staff" and 
> "graphic designer" to create forms, stationery, and such.
> This is not speculation; they boast of this.

Whenever reviewing material or people that sounds implausable,
the first suspicion should be that they are anti-racists.  SWC
swears they formed anti-racist organizations in racist guise.
And the FBI has formed KKK chapters.

>      Statements from the Simon Weisenthal Center should be viewed in
> light of the above.
> 
> 					John Nagle
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> I agree 100% BUT....if your intrested in theese kill yourself books! 
> look to KURT SAXONS poor mans james bond now thats a lethal one (at 
> least the individual sections by kurt saxon himself), 
> All other sections were found 89% safe by the ATF in 1993.
  
What did the ATF do?  Which sections?

> Look at the section on prussic 
> acid-then on the recipe on foil and muriatic(pool acid) havin a 
> reaction-then checkout the one of the can under the theater seat if you 
> read beetwen and under-over-side-to-side, you would conclude that this 
> KILLER! Kurt Saxon was also Blackmailed by the U.S And Feds!The same as 
> mr.POWELL! so to conclude that a "recepie" Put in a jarr with a cork AND 
> to "preserve" the prussic,Add a small amount of MURIATIC ACID!,FOR 

Really?  The pieces of glass with prussic acid on it, probably would
ice you in seconds, or the droplets absorbed would definately do you in.

> CRYING OUT LOUD IF THERES A VIOLENT REACTION RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! if that 
> doesent cause a reaction how about the NEXT STEP! it says to wrap in 
> ALUMINUM FOIL!? AND STORE IT UPSIDE DOWN!!!!!????IN THE 
> REFRIGERATOR!!!!? 1rst of all the prussic/muriatic acid mix is going to 
> rapidly going to consume and penetrate the cork! 2nd of all theres foil 
> on that jar the muriatic/prussic acid is going to cause a reaction! 
> ALUMINUM + MURIATIC ACID = TOXIC FUMES! Toxic CHLORINE FUMES + PRUSSIC 
> ACID = DDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAADDDDDLLLLLLLLYYYYYYY DEADLY :( 
> FUMES!<-------------------SO THAT Myfriend WILL BE SUICIDE! ACTUALY YOU 

If the acids would actually penetrate the cork, that is.  But I thought
prussic acid was only weakly acidic, like citric acid.  In any case,
cyanides decay fast in contact with oxygen.  That's why it's shipped
in cans, presumably with a label instructing you to discard within a
certain time after opening.

> WILL SEE THAT THIS KURT SAXON MAKES USE OF THE IDEA OF 
> <<<<>>>> ON SEVERAL RECIPES SUCH AS------>"you might get high 
> while you die" GIVE IT A TRY SOMETIME! From The Subject Section On 

That joker was talking about a suicide coctail made out of used cigarette
butts, presumably containing enough nicotine for a militant to commit
suicide before interrogation.  Which is why Third World type countries
don't usually allow their political prisoners to smoke before
"questioning."  I never got a high from chewing tobacco!

> Poisons! He Metions SUICIDE--->TWICE!!!!!!! This WACKO is NUTS! Pleasy 
> Reply With Questions/Comments On my obvious "tounge in cheek" Review On 
> A MOST DANGEROUS BOOK------> PMJB1 by KURT SAXON  Send EMAIL if 

Yeah, I've got the old extra large printing.  Does it still have that
strange introduction about militants that then goes into advice about
ordering chemicals without suspicion?  BTW, the law says certain
chemicals like cyanide and drug chemicals like barbituric acid, can
be purchased legally, but the company is required to verify your
identity and promptly give a full copy of your order and identity to
the authorities.  I read it in the state law, and I presume it's in the
federal law, but at least it's California law.

Kurt Saxon did some senate testimony in 1970 on terrorism, pretty funny!
His excuse was that his sources are so "well written," that he didn't
need to test most of the recepes before republishing them in his own
books. Though he did blow up all the fingers off his left hand with a
DRY powder mixture of a half ounce of potassium clorate and red
phosphorus.  Knowing this, I carelessly did something similar, when
making caps as a kid with only a sixth of an ounce, you know, caps
that would go off when stepped on.  I can't for the life of me, figure
out why I started toying with it in a dry state, so that frightened me
>from  ever playing with explosives again.  Scared my parents too.

Dicks is especially good, a masterpiece of succinct writing in 1872.  
The safety standards were much lower then, but it's entirely designed
to allow someone to easily make chemicals with minimal resources.
With home chemistry such a bugbear, it's definately worth republishing
to avoid reliance on the continued legality of chemicals.

In any case, Poor Mans James Bond and Grandpa's Chemistry is far better
than the Anarchist Cookbook which is an utter hoax.  I was appalled at
that garbage when I finally saw it in Tower records.  But it should be
taken with a bucket of sodium chlorate.

Kurt Saxon thinks the Anarchist Cookbook was designed for militants to
accidently blow themselves up or die from bad drugs.  Since Mr. Saxon 
testified to the Senate that the police themselves should use bombs
to blow up leftists, he wasn't offended.  I guess he supported the
police arson of MOVE in the mid '80's!
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tm@pacificnet.net writes:

>	Neo/Paleo-Deholocaustolithification: The result of comparing
>older Holocaust accounts that were once written in stone to newer
>accounts that are currently written in stone.

Except that the stone-cold historical proofs of the Holocaust are
written in different colored Parafin wax.  It can heated and then
pressed and molded into any shape.  But eventually the brightly
lit colors blend into a muddy mess.

































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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> >freedom@netcom.ca writes:
> >>It was Rich Graves who is the "Anonymous Troll"
> >>
> >>I have about as much evidence for that as Rich does to claim that I was 
> >>secretly the anonymous person who posted the message.
> >
> >Larry Lurch does stuff like that.  He once claimed I and several others,
> >were Milton Kleim in his spam-pain to censor rec.music.white-power.
> 
> Actually, I said the opposite in a number of media interviews.

You initially said that an572010@anon.penet.fi, esquire@prime.net,
qut@netcom.com and ALL addresses posting in favor of r.m.w-p were
Milton Kleim.  And you were nietzshe@aol.com. trying to imitate
xyz@scsn.net.  Ha!

> http://pathfinder.com/Netly/daily/960607.html is still online, as is the

Nothing at this URL, but your admission that your actions were not
what you claimed at the time.

*

> Washington Post piece (don't have the exact URL on me). I've got a copy of
> Little Judy's story, will put it up somewhere tomorrow. And of course
> there's the stuff on MSNBC.

What channel is that on?  I've never seen it.  Micro-Gartner?  Bleah.

> >He's also posing as ezundel-repost and pretended to be Qut, A. Huber, and
> 
> That wold be zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org.

Which would be you.  llurch@stanford.edu.

> >Ernst Zndel and probably is Mike Beebe, who issues death-threats.
> 
> No, actually, Mike Beebe is the Easter Bunny.
> 
> >And what about his harassment of the subscribers to Zndelgrams?

That was you, taking advantage of other's mistakes.  I suppose you had
no choice.  Once the bad guys have the secrets, everyone should have it.

> Was that before or after I won the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes?
> 
> Please keep posting, Skippy. This is a riot. Followups set, not that you
> ever follow them. 

A lot of you and Mr. McVay's Followup-To: lines are net abuse.

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                            A VOTE AGAINST RACISM
                                       
   
   
      So the Great Usenet Vote of 1996 is finally over. The proposed
   newsgroup rec.music.white-power, which came to symbolize racism and
   intolerance online, was overwhelmingly beaten back. Only 592 voted to
   create the newsgroup; a stunning 33,033 people voted against it.
   Usenet pundits say that's the biggest turnout in Net history.
   
      Of course, you'd expect that. The vote saw an unprecedented level
   of campaigning and anti-campaigning, with E-mail bombs lobbed at
   innocent parties, thousands of forged votes and an IRC 'bot that went
   up and down hundreds of EFnet channels urging voters to Just Say No to
   rec.music.white-power.
   
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   mistakenly believed that Handler was the person actually proposing the
   newsgroup and periodically E-mail bombed him. That made a miserable
   task nearly impossible. "I was flamed and accused of being a white
   supremacist and a racist by people who didn't understand that I was
   just the votetaker," Handler said. One guy sent him 15,000 blank
   messages. Uh, thanks, dude.
   
      The volume of E-mail twice crashed his company's mail servers,
   Handler reports, forcing him to process and acknowledge votes in
   batches of 500 to a thousand. As delays mounted, people sent Handler
   additional E-mail asking where their acknowledgements were. Which
   further slowed the whole thing down.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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   to be checked by hand, and this took around three and a half weeks."
   
      White supremist and Canadian [10]Milton J. Kleim Jr. was the
   proponent for creating the newsgroup; we suspect that given Kleim's
   zeal for using the Net to disseminate his political ideas, he'll be
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   man for this newly sprouted NetMyth. He says he continues to get over
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 11:56:34 PDT 1996
Article: 53463 of alt.revisionism
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ibokor@metz.une.edu.au writes:

>>What is the basis for stories about the Holocaust?
>
>The basis for great many stories about the Holocaust 
>is the hope that by revealing the horror of it, human 
>beings can be made aware of the dangers to people in 
>this world which arise not from natural disasters, but 
>from malevolence coupled with technological prowess. 
>The hope is that if sufficient numbers of human beings 
>are aware of this peril, the next attempt(s) at genocide 
>can be thwarted.
>
>Recounting the Holocaust --- even if in subdued and 
>understated terms --- provides a salient warning, not 
>based on idle speculation but on cold, hard and disturbing
>facts the recent history of a society which prided/prides
>itself on being the acme of civilisation.
>
>
>d.A.

It's so horrible what Jews did to Germans.  It's even more
horrifying how much they want to repeat the slaughter.




















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 11:56:35 PDT 1996
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dkeren@world.std.com writes:

> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
> 
> # The Holocaust dedicated have some things to say about the
> # claim that there were 3,000,000+ Polish Jews. For their
> # methods of responding to the challenge of these numbers, 
> # see alt.revisionism, "3,000,000 Prewar Polish Jews?"  
> 
> I have posted the excerpt from Hans Frank's speech, in
> which he mentions that, after Poland was under Nazi
> control, there were at least 2.5 million Jews in the
> "General Government" (part of Nazi-occupied Poland), who
> were marked for "annihilation" by the Nazis.
> 
> I posted this two times already, as a response to this
> thread.

Who produced those papers, the Soviet Union?  Is that the
only document of his speech?  Do ALL historical resources
lead back to JUST that one Soviet document of a speech?
The allies had an axe to grind, the Soviet documents
alone can't be trusted.  Neither can confessions obtained
by Soviet interrogators.  The Soviet documents, and the
confessions to the Soviets, are as trustworthy as the
documents and confessions of Bukharin or Kretinsky in 
1938 under Yezkov and Beria.

> You have proved again, yesterday, that you cannot handle
> basic arithmetic (with your claim about the amount of
> food near Belsen camp). Apparently, you also cannot read.
> 
> I have yet to see a bunch of bloody idiots like you 
> "revisionists". To the last, you are a bunch of mentally
> retarded imbeciles. This is just incredible; I've never
> seen such fools in my life.
> 
> 
> -Danny Keren.
> 
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Article: 53528 of alt.revisionism
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jamie@voyager.net write:

> llurch@stanford.edu (Rich Graves) wrote:
> 
> > llurch@stanford.edu (E. Zundel Repost) writes:
> 
> > >It isn't all that long ago where personal character assassination and
> > >individual demonization sufficed.  For decades, that is how Ernst Zuendel
> > >was forced to exist - largely due to court-imposed gag orders issued to
> > >calm the tantrums of the Forever Persecuted.
> 
> Just to set the record straight -- according to Lenski's book, there was
> indeed a court-imposed gag order after the 1985 trial.  But after the
> 1988 trial, Zuendel was sentenced to nine months of prison;  a few days
> later, the judge agreed to release him on bail for the duration on the
> condition that he not speak about the Holocaust.  Zuendel _agreed_ to
> these latter terms, so I'm hard-pressed to call that latter act a case
> of censorship.  He had, after all, been tried and convicted in court --
> albeit under a stupid law -- and the sentence he was given did not
> require him to be silent.  He opted to take the deal and has no right to
> complain about its terms.

No right to complain, eh?  You call a "choice" between imprisonment and
silence to be a real choice?  I call it force, by the force of the
government.

> I will repeat that, if Lenski's summary is correct, the gag order after
> the 1985 trial was something I cannot agree with, for the same reasons I
> cannot agree with the law under which he was convicted.

Do you think he was dishonored, wronged?  Shouldn't he be pardoned,
shouldn't the government and Jewish community apologise to the
aggrieved?

> p. 29.  The date is March 25, 1985:
> 
>    Judge Locke took the argument a step further as he handed down a
>    sentence of 15 months in prison and three years probation, by
>    asserting that the sentence reflected the outrage felt by _all_
>    Canadaians.

So a judge thinks of anti-semites and Holocaust dissidents to be
sub-human, what else is new?

>    Locke's sentence also forbade Zundel to speak about the Holocaust
>    for the entire duration.  A _Globe and Mail_ editorial on March 27
>    called this "a stunning judicial gag of a Canadian resident.  It
>    prohibits a man from expressing _any_ public opinion about the
>    Second World War, among many other topics that might be
>    'indirectly related' to the Holocaust....Griffiths says false
>    speech -- not free speech -- is the issue.  There is no free
>    speech without the possibility of false speech."  The editorial
>    might have added that Zundel was probably the first Canadian ever
>    sentenced to prison for having the wrong opinion.
> 
> pp. 506-507.  The asterix marks a footnote which is irrelevant
> here and is omitted.  The date is Friday, May 13, 1988;  the judge
> is Judge Thomas:
> 
>    Suddenly the judge said:  "Stand up, Mr. Zundel.  You will be
>    sentenced to imprisonment for nine months.  I don't intend to
>    impose any terms of probation.  I don't intend to require you to
>    perform any community service. I simply say to you that it may be
>    that you wish to be a martyr, and I was tempted to frustrate you
>    in that purpose that you have,* but I am required to send a
>    message to any other persons like yourself that this community
>    won't tolerate hate mongers.  You'll be sentenced to nine months
>    with no additional penalty.  Remove the accused."
>    
>    Handcuffs were immediately snapped onto Zundel's wrists, he was
>    led from the courtroom, and court was adjourned.
>    
>    [...]
>    
>    On Monday, May 16, Justice Houlden decided that Zundel could be
>    released on bail if he agreed not to write or speak about the
>    Holocaust and related subjects.  Zundel was also forced to
>    surrender his passport, and forbidden to travel outside Ontario. 
>    This gag order was as sweeping as that impose by Judge Locke in
>    1985, yet the _Toronto Globe and Mail_ and other big media, so
>    indignant three years earlier, kept their silence this time.  If
>    Zundel spoke on the Holocaust, warned Houlden, he would forfeit
>    his right to appeal and suffer immediate arrest and jailing.
>    
>    At about 4:00 p.m., a lady friend posted Zundel's $10,500 bail,
>    and he was released.

Is THIS account supposed to show how HORRORIBLE the man is?  I get the
impression from Anonymous Lurch that he's pretty cool.  No way would
the good guys want to silence or deport him.

> Lenski, Robert.  _The Holocaust on Trial: the Case of Ernst Zundel_.
> Reporter Press, Decatur, Alabama, 1989.
> 
> > >Somewhere I read that the Simon Wiesenthal Center now spends 80% of its
> > >damage control efforts to stop the spread of doubt about the Holocaust on
> > >the Internet.  Why would they bother doing that - unless Revisionism is a
> > >threat?
> > 
> > Gee, I don't suppose she has a reference for this, does she?
> 
> Hey, she read it somewhere.  What more do you want?
> 
> Posted;  emailed to a few friends who are invited to critique Lenski's
> account of events.
> -- 
>  Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
>  jamie@voyager.net        Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
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Article: 53536 of alt.revisionism
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dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:

>     Cute, but dumb post from an anonymous racist who knows nothing from
>     which he speaks...

I wouldn't have posted any of my technical musings if I was already
sure about running servers!  I would have already started.

> In article <034303Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
> >dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> > 
> >>In article <4svikf$c0v@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes...
> >>
> >>>And non-paranoid reading what I posted knows that I have never threatened 
> >>>a lawsuit and there have been many posts in that regard.  
> >>
> >>>All of the message traffic about the lawsuit had no basis in anything I 
> >>>said, save for the paranoid. 
> >>
> >>/begin cite
> >>    Subject:      class action lawsuit
> >>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
> >>    Date:         1996/07/13
> >>    Message-Id:   <4s7u12$31t@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
> >>    Organization: images incarnate
> >>    X-Netcom-Date: Sat Jul 13  5:33:06 AM CDT 1996
> >>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
> >>
> >>    Is there anyone here interested in a class action lawsuit against McVay
> >>    and Nizkor?
> >>
> >>    I will be collecting these and forwarding them to an attorney who may
> >>    be or may not be interested in the case depending upon the responses
> >>    and the documentation supporting those responses.
> >>
> >>    Please respond email.  
> >>/end cite
> >>
> >>/begin cite
> >>    Subject:      lawsuit threats
> >>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
> >>    Date:         1996/07/17
> >>    Message-Id:   <4sieaa$d01@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
> >>    Organization: images incarnate
> >>    X-Netcom-Date: Wed Jul 17  5:12:26 AM CDT 1996
> >>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
> >>
> >>    Where was the outrage when "Gord McFee" was the first to initiate that
> >>    threat?  Where was the ridicule?  Where were the responses that are
> >>    nonsense in either direction?
> >>
> >>    No where of course.  
> >>/end cite
> >>
> >>/begin cite
> >>    Subject:      in the manner of suiing
> >>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
> >>    Date:         1996/07/15
> >>    Message-Id:   <4scv9i$qm1@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>
> >>    Organization: images incarnate
> >>    X-Netcom-Date: Mon Jul 15  1:25:22 AM PDT 1996
> >>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
> >>
> >>    Also of interest is that there are six or seven contributors listed on
> >>    the Nizkor site.  Two of them are "co-webmasters" but certainly it is
> >>    possible they are contributing defamatory material making the RICO
> >>    conspiracy even wider and more people to be named.
> >>
> >>    They should all be named.  
> >>
> >>    The joint and several liability under RICO for treble damages should be
> >>    of interest to most any "contributor."  Of course if they can prove
> >>    they did not contribute to the defamation ...
> >>
> >>    But then, they were only following orders.  
> >>
> >>    But then, the only reason I am leaving Nizkor on line is to accumulate
> >>    evidence.  
> >>/end cite
> >>
> >>    Other than these you mean?
> >>
> >>    [note to other readers that in each of these cases the subject line of
> >>    Giwer's in initialized with the cited post.  In all three cases the
> >>    subject line underlines his intent.]
> >>
> >>                         daniel david mittleman 
> >>===========================================================================
> >>                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> > 
> >And what was the original context of these articals?  Was it sarcasm?
> 
>     No.
> 
> >This is what makes Nizkor such a lousy archiver, taking peoples posts
> >out of context.  Nizkor does this because of the lousy performance by
> >anti-racists in rebuttals to racists and opponents of the Holocaust.
> 
>     These articles were not pulled from Nizkor; they were pulled from
>     DejaNews.

What were the articles surrounding Mr. Giwers?  Were they the routine
name calling that Mr. Giwer now expects, and is reacting to?

All of you who are saying "Mattie is through," etc., were probably
saying that along time ago, but it wouldn't show up on Nizkor
because Nizkor strips context from individuals in the archive.

>     These articles were pulled in full; no context is lacking.

Context of date, place, and time of everyone *else's* articles
in the news spool, when those articles were current.  I don't know
exactly what the anti-revisionists were saying at the time.  It
could easily be sarcasm, Mr. Giwer responding to threats to sue
revisionists, for example.

>     Matt Giwer *could* rebut my post to show that there is other context
>     that is missing.  He has not responded to this post though he has
>     responded to posts before it and after it.

Someone has to get in the last word, or the threads would go on forever!
So Mr. Giwer should be commended for letting others close threads he
starts.

>     Therefore, there is no data to support your hateful assertion above. 
>     Thank you for playing.  Strike one.
> 
> >This is why I'm interesting in starting a direct connection to the
> >net to provide a voice to anti-racists denied by Nizkor's server.
> 
>     This sentence makes no sense (over and above your typographical
>     errors.)  First, Nizkor is anti-racist.  You are probably referring to
>     racists here.  Second, Nizkor is well known to provide greater access
>     to its idealogical opponents than most any other web site on the
>     internet.  Third, many racist and anti-racists web sites with direct
>     connections to the internet already exist.  So, you are wrong in your
>     assertions in just about every way possible.  Again, thank you for
>     playing.  Strike two.

The only one I'm aware of, though I'm not sure, is banished.com.  The
others all rent their space.  It's a big difference, between absurdly
high per-megabyte rentals, and virtually free, unlimited disc space of
a direct connection.

> >Nizkor simply leaves the racist and anti-Holocaust postings
> >unchallenged, providing evidence that Nizkor is Neo-Nazi.  I'm
> 
>     Interesting definition of Neo-Nazi that no one else in the world seems
>     to share.  Foul tip.

Each individual archived by Nizkor has only hir own posts and no-one elses.
That's taking articles out of context.  Take Les Griswold for example.
His files have all his opponents "commentary" deleted.  When he name-calls
right back, Nizkor makes it look like he initiated it, because it's taken
out of context.

> >planning on at least an ftp server, possibly read-write access to a
> >few newsgroups, and mirroring sites like Freedom and Nizkor, goodies
> >discussed on cypherpunks, for BSD, Linux or Digital Unix (I'm
> >dreaming,) and one dial-up. With the cheapness of disc space, it's
> >easy enough to provide gigs of goodies, but unfortunately subject to
> >the heavy cost of bandwith.  I thought I saw an ad of dedicated flat
> >rate 28k connection, which is better than nothing, for $99.00, much
> 
>     Anyone offering you such a rate is [1] connecting you to the internet
>     via their own connection and therefore you are functioning within their
>     own business whims.  What makes you think they won't cancel you if they
>     get complaints?  

That occured to me after posting, it would be just like a ordinary slip/ppp
account, each packet processed by their machines.  Not what I desired,
but still much easier to switch providers than line connections, like 64k.

> >better than any sort of 56k or 64k.  Virtual host would be great for
> >the high bandwith, but sucks because of their absurd price for disc
> >space rental, and being subject to "reasonable use" restrictions.  For
> >instance, eff.org had to suspend access to Phrack because their ISP
> >threatened to suspend their account for overuse, which doesn't
> >happen with dedicated flat rate connections.  
> 
>     Ha!  What makes you think this?!!!  

I *thought* that with a line connection installed, the connection is
purely hardware, so complaints about "overuse," wouldn't make any sense.
Am I wrong, and how?

>     >Abuse from anti-racists
> >is inevitable.  
> 
>     Finally, a true statment.  
> 
>     >With the flat-rate dedicated connection, I can sue for
> >denial-of-service attacks from the ISP or from users on the net
> >itself, for example, Morty "Death" Levi's attack on the net and his
> >machine gun assault on his politicaly "moderate" opponants.  I'd be
> >willing to be a test case, so legal aggressiveness may help the rights
> >of the working class.
> 
>     Strike Three!  What makes you think you have any case just because you
>     have flat-rate service?  This is simply a contract matter and any
>     reasonable ISP will give themselves an out in their contract.  You can
>     go after individuals who harrass you, but you can do that from any kind
>     of connection.  In short, you don't sound like you know what you are
>     talking about with regards to any of the topics you raise in this post.

Excuses about "overuse" wouldn't work to cancel.  And with the great expense
of a line account, you bet I'd shop for a decent contract and would sue if
they cancelled my account because they "didn't like my politics."

>     Enjoy your walk back to the dugout and, again, thank you for playing.
> 
>                          daniel david mittleman 
> ===========================================================================
>                      Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
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mstein@access5.digex.net writes:

> In article <034303Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>,
> Vyshinsky  wrote:
> >dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> 
> [Giwer quotes snipped]
> 
> >And what was the original context of these articals?  Was it sarcasm?
> >This is what makes Nizkor such a lousy archiver, taking peoples posts
> >out of context.
> 
>     Since the first article quoted was an original post, not a followup,
> and was quoted in its entirety, just how is it taken out of context?

The context of what everybody else was saying when Mr. Giwer's articles
were current.  Was Mr. Giwer reacting to Mike Stein?  There's no way
to tell by looking at Nizkor, because the giwer.matt files will only
contain files from Matt Giwer.  Understand?  But since Nizkor has plenty
of disc space, I don't see a ready excuse why Mr. McVay doesn't archive
complete threads, rather than only individuals, shredded and dried.

> >Nizkor does this because of the lousy performance by
> >anti-racists in rebuttals to racists and opponents of the Holocaust.
> 
>     Because!  I!  Say!  So! - the most commonly cited reference work by
> revisionists.

"Everybody knows that the races are equal because everyone I respect says
they are equal."

"Everybody knows that the Holocaust is true because everyone I respect says
the Holocaust is true."

Two of your axioms, and believed in by the majority.

As a wannabe open minded radical, I certainly respect people who don't
agree with me, but mainstreamer's like you Holocauster's, accept axioms,
and hate people who disagree with it.

> [remainder deleted]
> -- 
> Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.
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atheist@wam.umd.edu writes:

> On 24 Jul 1996, Danny Mittleman wrote:
> 
> >     I am happy to offer a heap of rational debate for Mr. Dung.  I do hope
> >     he responds.
> > 
> > In article , jesusdung  writes...
> > >Yes there are christians all over the whole world, but the the jews are 
> > >the only internationalist community that everyone hates and which every 
> > 
> >     Just an observation from an atheist looking on:  
> > 
> >     I find it amusing that the Jews who publish here use their own names,
> >     but the racialists who publish here very often do so anonymously or
> >     with aliases.  Given that "jews are the only internationalist community
> >     that _everyone_ hates" [emphasis mine], one would think the anonymity
> >     would run the other way around.
> > 
> >     Unless, of course, Mr. Dung is mistaken in some way...  Would you care
> >     to comment why so many of your breatheren insist upon anonymity if
> >     "everyone" is on your side, Mr. Dung?
> 	Everyone on my side? I don't think so. I have a future: I want to 
> feed my family and not be anathem on campus and I like my head on my 
> shoulders AND the ability to get highered by higher institutions. If I 
> come out with this sort of info., then my booty's in trouble. 
> 	Jews who publish use their own names because it is safe to do 
> soo. The govt.'s on their side, not on mine. People who share my ideas 
> are a dying species. Establishm,ent buffoons can attack and write 
> whatever they want since they're kosher. We're not. If we politicize on 
> jewry our asses are branded for our whole life. 
>  
> > >nation has a long history of jewish bloodsuckers and swindlers. You never 
> > >hear from the whole world a terrible hatred against the Buddhists or 
> > >Armenians do you? WHy is it always the jews? The jew who is always in 
> > >power in every nation that he sets his foot in? The jew is always in head 
> > >of high finance and banking, never the artisan class. The jewish 
> > >contributions to the PRODUCTIVE arts is nearly nil. Because they have
> > 
> >     I have heard this argument before.  And the response to this argument I
> >     have seen made has never been adequately countered by a racialist.  It
> >     is: how about Israel?  They have one of the fastest growing GNPs in the
> >     world over the last two decades or so.  Jews hold most positions in
> >     that economy.  Isn't Israel evidence that Jews are more than capable at
> >     "productive arts"?
>  
> >     Might you address this question, Mr. Dung?
> 	
> 	all right mr scrooge: Israel is sodomizing america and the west 
> for money and  it has thebacking of wall street and all other forms of 
> banking and finance supporting it right now and at its inception. Jews 
> are artisans and hold,positions there because it's acountry called 
> Israel: jews live their remember? Like NY City Jews make up a great 
> collective number wise. As to artisans, ther are many Jewish artisans. In 
> the East - the shtetls (gods, what an ugly name) and ghettoes they are 
> like all others in that they need a cobbler and a butcher and adoctor. 
> Unfortunately they also have a history of usury, banking (the bad type) 
> and exploitation. 

Jews own the financial world, the media, and the ultimate in the
Jewish genotype, the financial media.  This justifies racism.

> > >just filled in the middleman: the guy who makes money off money but never 
> > >money from hard-labored work. Only few jews do that. Labor is commendable 
> > >but not interest and usury.
> > 
> >     Doesn't capitalism depend upon concepts such as interest?  Isn't
> >     capitalism the polar opposite of communism, which you have been telling
> >     us is a Jewish invention?  Doesn't that make interest a good thing? 
> 
> 	Jews have been the greatest capitalists and industrialists in the 
> world. Rothschild, Warburg & Co. were die-hard zionist 
> capitalists...what's new about that? THey also financed the Bolshevik 
> Rev. and Communism. You see, they both work for the same goals. For a 
> better exposition of this view read Benson's "Zionist Factor".
>  
> >     Might you enlighten us on your opinions of capitalism, Mr. Dung? 
> >     Please pay particular attention to the concept of time value of money.
>  
> Gain for thebetterment of life not for the sake of money. High finance 
> capitalism a la wall street (the wall of joy) is evil and must go. I'm  
> of a socialist bend of mind. Like the Nazis. :)
> 
> Moshe
>                           daniel david mittleman 
> > ===========================================================================
> >                      Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> > 
> > 

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 11:56:39 PDT 1996
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imschira@nyx10.cs.du.edu writes:

> An entity calling itself Vyshinsky (an572010@anon.penet.fi)
> allegedly wrote:
> 
> [the usual bullshit]
> 
> >>Point the gun of your law elsewhere, or I will return fire. This is no threat;
> >>it is a promise.
> >
> >Sounds patriotic!  But we need a strong state to protect our rights.
> 
> States do not protect rights. They violate them. If they protect rights, it
> is purely by accident.

Oh, really?  So there should be no state right?  So Mexico can take over
and effortless annex the US, right, because our government doesn't protect
our rights, huh?

Rather than NO state, we need GOOD state; we lack rights from an unpatriotic
people in government.  Nothing gives the reality of freedom than the
existence of an armed and patriotic people who will fight to the death
for the strength of the state.

> And who is "we," paleface? "Society" is a straw man that has no real existence.

Garbage, the state should be run by the best: the patriots, rather then
the "every man for himself" selfishness that infects our society in
every way.  Individual sacrifice for the community is what made humanity
evolve to be civilized, evolved everything that makes life worth living.

> Only individual people exist. Pigmentation, or lack thereof, is only relevant

Pigmentation is only skin deep, race affects every organ in the body,
above all, the brain.  Different races have different capacities of
different types of societies, so why not enjoy your racial differences
with others, rather than claiming the society of your people doesn't
exist, as if the capacity of humanity doesn't accept the individual
sacrifice for the common welfare.

> to scum like you, and minions of the State with their reams of forms that you
> MUST properly fill out AND make sure to tell them what "race" you are. Fuck

Ha!  It was anti-racists who made all of us fill out those forms, not
racists.  Racists are for truth in government, not the falsified forms
that, for instance, allow someone to self-declare a half-Asian to be
white.

> you -- I'm human. I am not a color, I am a free man. I have no need for
> "patriotism" when I have LIBERTY.

Liberty ONLY exists where there is a solid mantle of armed liberty -
a free nation!  You think libertarian thoughts would even exist at the
present, if our founding fathers were not nationalist fighters?
If Messers Washington, Paine, Franklin, Jefferson thought libertarian,
there wouldn't have been an America, there'd have been only individualist
chickens, dissing the rising nationalism.

> Maybe *you* need the consensus and support of millions of your fellows to
> "protect" your rights. If so, you're no better than the rioters in Los
> Angeles who decided, "Hey! I've got an angry mob backing me up, so now I
> can get away with anything I want!"

If patriotism were more popular, that mob would have been destroyed
by the people, rather than end up placated by our weak, capitalist-
crippled government.

> [snip]
> 
> >What about the law of the Old West?  Contrary to popular suspicion it
> >was a time of considerably less crime then the present.
> 
> Don't try to teach your grandma to suck eggs, sonny. David Kopel's "The
> Samurai, The Mountie and the Cowboy" has an honored place on my shelves.

Well, what is that?  Does it claim there is the same or more crime back
then, when it was more societally acceptable to violently attack criminals?

> The only law I respect is natural law. And that law is blind to skin color,
> as opposed to you, who appear merely blind.

Can't you see one pace before you?

> >>http://www.x86.org
> >
> >And what threat is that URL against Intel?  Will it make people switch
> >to Digital Alpha, or Sun Sparc?
> 
> It is free speech in action -- the very thing you were whining about its
> being under attack. The Intel juggernaut can't stop Mr. Collins anymore
> than Nizkor can stop the revisionists...or the other way around. 
> 
> Whine, bitch, piss, moan. No Intel employee ever put a gun to my head and
> said, "If you buy anything other than Intel, I'll blow your brains out."

So?  Companies can compete against each other, big deal, thay can also
gang up on their weaker cousins, such as what the mass media does in
violation of the anti-trust acts.  But is our Justice Department willing
to prosecute the illegal media monopoly?  The government is too weak to
do that with the unpatriotic people running it.

> >>: And you only included Marie Curie because she's Jewish.
> >>
> >>Horseshit. But I plan on adding Lady Ada in there as well at some point, for
> >>her contributions to the early field of computing and mathematics.
> >
> >She wasn't Jewish?
> 
> No. "Horseshit" as in, "Your contention that the only reason I included Marie
> Curie in my list of women I admire was the fact that she was Jewish, is pure
> and unadulterated horseshit." I don't give a rats ass where she came from,
> who her parents were, or even what her political beliefs were. My motivation
> was that I admired her contributions to the scientific field. I notice you
> had no comment on the remaining names in that list. Confused, I'll wager.

I belive you included her name because she was Jewish whether you realised
it or not.  There's millions of publications whose claim is Jews are
racially superior to whites, to attempt to justify their power.  Perhaps
you got your information from a biased source, such as something
published by the Jewish media monopoly.

> It is a mistaken idea that the same law that oppresses the individual can
> promote the highest good of society. The best interests of a community never
> can require the sacrifice of one innocent being, of one sacred right.
>                         - Elizabeth Cady Stanton to the New York Legislature

Sure, such as the "sacred" right to exterminate the race of 600,000,000
people, the "sacred" right to supplant the American people with an
impoverished third world Afro-Asian people.

So you want to scrap the minimum wage, huh?  The sacred right to exploit?






























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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

> " SIGMUND MAZUR: I boiled the soap out of the bodies of women and men. The
> process of boiling alone took several days- from 3 to 7. During two
> manufacturing processes, in which I directly participated, more than 25
> kilograms of soap were produced. The amount of human fat necessary for these
> two processes was 70 to 80 kilograms collected from some 40 bodies ... I
> used this human soap for my personal needs, for toilet and for laundering. "
> 
> IMT VII - p. 598. 
> 
> =====
> 
> 	First off we note he "boiled the soap out of" which has nothing to do with the
> process of making soap.  One "boils the fat out of" of course.  But of course
> this could be a minor mis-statement or problem in translation as both are
> mentioned in the same context.  
> 
> 	But there is more.  The process of making soap is to cut off the fatty tissue
> and boil that.  (Then to boil the extracted fat with lye, form into cakes and
> cool.  It is only slightly more complicated than that and those steps affect
> the purity.)  
> 
> 	But rather than cutting off the fatty tissue for boiling this person boils
> entire bodies and in the process takes days rather than hours.
> 
> 	But there is more.  He reports only 2 kg per body.  Now here is a person
> charged with making up for a war time shortage (and noting that a soap
> shortage means a meat shortage not otherwise reported beyond rationing) is
> sent cadavers that were close to death from starvation or in fact died from
> starvation.  At one level this may explain why he failed to cut off the fatty
> tissue first but on another level it was hell of a waste of fuel cooking
> bodies for days.  

But Goldenhagen suggests that the Germans arrested Jews solely for the
purpose of torture for the sake of torture.  To humiliate and dominate
Jews was the purpose of anti-semitism, the Holocaust says.  Shoah says,
Shoah does.

> 	But there is more.  Noting that lye is added to fat to make soap, one gets a
> greater weight of soap than fat.  This gentleman manages to lose 2/3rds of the
> fat in the process.  
> 
> 	Beyond that, it is an interesting story.  

But wasn't the whole soap story cooked up by Neo-Nazis to discredit
the Holocaust, you know, just like the story about 4,000,000 Jews being
gassed in Auschwitz?  You know, the Neo-Nazis in Jewish suits?




























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solveit@ix.netcom.com writes:

> In <051317Z23071996@anon.penet.fi> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
> writes: 
> >
> >>You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity
> >ooks and find out for
> >>yourself. Read the textbooks and weep.
> >>
> >>
> >Another picture  of the absolute control of the world  by afro-asians.
> >It goes to show ya  that there is no escape from racism.  World Exter-
> >mination of the race  must be stopped.  No more  "leaving" the cities.
> >No more waiting till college,  marriage,  jobs, is accomplished before
> >having  children.  No more private schools or idolizing churchs.  Hav-
> >ing  white children is fun!  A white is unmanly or unfeminine to  fail
> >to have children!  Racism is fun!  Racism will solve all personal pro-
> >blems!
> >
>     This writer has analyzed the situation very deeply. Some of the
> fundamental problems with Whites is their inability to form "race
> consciousness." Every group on the face of the earth supports its own
> group, except for Whites. Why?

Our nurturing instincts are killing us.  This world rewards numbers not
quality.  We've got to control our instincts to raise "perfect" children
and take a more laid-back attitude.  Why waste money on private schools,
television, fancy clothes etc.  Volutarily depriving ourselves of these
luxuries may make us look poorer, but we'll be wealthier in children!
Diverse schools also have a healthy function of removing the mask from
the minds of public conciousness, as children grow up knowing the
realities of colored dominance over the white people.  If our white
children are harassed, they need to learn how to fight it.  In this way
colored schools have an advantage, if you look at the bright side of
things.

A healthy attitude for whites is to think of the world as dominated by
evil that must be fought, rather than the bogus idea tought by the
ruling class that all problems are caused by racism, by whites.

>     I would conjecture that our intelligence, part of which is being
> "open-minded," is our weakness. Sadly, we fail to think a step further:
> If you are "open-minded" to those who will destroy you, then you are
> committing genecide. In other words, "If you are nice to the cruel,
> then you will be cruel to the nice." 
>     It's takes someone with a strong-mind to see 10 moves ahead in

Foresight is one of our uniquely held virtues.  The financial media is
an excellent exampal of the attitude of the enemy.  Anyone who thinks
the world is run by racists, check out the Wall Street Journal, Forbes,
Investment Business Daily, Barron's, Foreign Policy, Foreign Affairs,
Financial Times, Commentary, etc.

> chess. Likewise, it takes a strong-mind to see that non-Whites will
> destroy our culture. It's not the case that non-Whites are evil, they
> just view the world in a more "primitive" way: My group is the best and
> I will see they we "win." Paradoxically, Whites need to become a little
> more "primitive" in order to survive. 

We can learn from Color all right, we'll have more power if we have more
children.  This is something racists can be doing right now, practicing
our idealogy.  In fact, we should EXPECT our to be leaders to have
several children already; they have no reason not to, and it shows a
way of life that followers can emulate.

>     The "women's rights" movement makes your suggestion difficult to

There's tens of millions of quality women out there!  It's closer to
reality to say it's primarily the male's fault in resisting the idea
of siring/bearing and raising children.  As long as things are already
going smoothly in the relationship, she's much more likely to want a
large family after the first two children no matter what she thought
of the idea initially.  I wouldn't advise racists to look specifically
for racist women wanting large families, that's too restrictive, as if
that would be a good signal anyway.  Look for good race and a personality
match, and pretty much look for someone apolitical, or laid-back.

> implement. Educated White women are not interested in having children
> until their "clock" starts ticking down-- and then only one or two
> children at most. I don't see anyway one can change the views of White
> women-- they have been brainwashed too deeply. 

True, but MOST Americans are uneducated.  Make a redneck chick happy!

Liberal sophisticated parents often try too hard to parent, over nurturing
their children in just the that hurts them, by insulating them from the
grim realities of the world.

>     Those on this newsgroup and others must keep the faith. We do have
> options. Geographic separation of the races is probably the most viable
> one since an all-out race war is not necessary to achieve this outcome.

It's in the anti-racists' ballpark of HOW the race problem will be solved:
forced over their disagreement or settled through negotiation.  In any
case, the racist movement is not powerful enough at the present to force
the issue.

>     Those who support the status quo simply don't understand history.
> Never has a nation endured for more than a century or so that has the
> race-mixing to the degree we have it. Why? I believe human beings like
> to feel some joy in a community. There is little joy in this country
> and all the "do-gooder" talk of "let's all get along" won't change a
> damn thing.
>     I want my own country, my own race, my own people to be together so
> I can live in peace. This race bullshit brings nothing but dissention.
> One day Whites will have a country of their own, a place where they can
> have a community. This is MY DREAM! 

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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> scallon@pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) writes:
> >For those of you who do not understand:
> >
> >Kenneth McVay started the Nizkor Project after he stumbled across Dan
> >Gannon's revisionist BBS (denies the Holocaust).  His Nizkor Project
> >had millions of byltes of data about the Holocaust and info about the
> >revisionists (i.e. Gannon, Les Greaseball, Rich Graves, Kevin Alfred

So Mr. Scallon hates Greaseballs, I.E. the poor?

> >Strom, etc.); He was awarded the Order of British Columbia for his
> >work.

The Order of British Columbia is NOTHING.  It is NOT British Columbia,
according to Ken McVay it's a private anti-racist group.  It's as
meaningful as if he were crowned The King of Siam by the PETA.

> Hmm. How'd I get in there? How amusing.
> 
> No, Duncan, I'm merely amused. I'm too young and secure [sic] to worry
> what people who don't know me think. I also know that I have the freedom
> to respond. Were I so "exposed" in Germany, yes, it would give me pause,
> but I would prefer to deal with it in the open.
> 
> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
> rather open about advocating genocide, today.

You can't prove it, because you can't.

> Nizkor is now at http://www.nizkor.org/. It's mostly an archive for
> serious researchers of the genre (i.e., you'll find no pretty graphics,
> and lots of primary documents with little didactic commentary -- because
> they have confidence that the documents speak for themselves), but take a
> gander at http://www.nizkor.org/features/

There's no commentary because they are unable to rebut anti-Holocaustism.

> More to the point, Ken McVay and Rich Graves do *not* support censorship

Yes you guys do, you just say you don't believe in censorship by
government, buts it's a-ok for business.  Yes, business can censor,
take a look at the mass media, with their censorship by violation of
the anti-trust acts.  And you guys advocate the imprisonment or
deportation of Ernst Zundel, who's only "crime" was racist speech,
which is all he's ever been charged with, criminally or civilly.

And what would anti-racists say if racism threatens to become a powerful
movement?  I'd expect your opposition to censorship by government to
evaporate into the ether.

OTOH, I envision an authoritarian racist government controlling America,
secure from violence against race.  The racists will look at the rise
of an anti-racist movement as a warning, as a messenger, rather than
censor, rather then suppress verbose expressions of dissent, try to
correct the problems.  However, it's basic to racist sociology, that
anti-racism can only exist in a country with color, as well as
suppressive racism, and so many other problems extant.

> of *any* form. Skippy's just trolling. He doesn't understand that I don't
> mind what he's doing at all, because everything he says is so patently
> ridiculous that serves only as positive PR for Nizkor and, to a lesser
> extent, me.
> 
> Skippy helped get Nizkor recognized in the Washington Post for its
> effective response to hate groups *without* censorship. I highly recommend
> the article at:
> 
>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-07/15/031L-071596-idx.html

Which is just a one-sided irrelevent look at online Holocaust, from a
low quality one-sided monoploy news media.  You respect This article
>from  the Post?  What crap:
   
           WITH INNOVATIVE USE, THE WEB EMPOWERS THE FIRST AMENDMENT
                                       
   By John Schwartz 
   Washington Post Staff Writer
   Monday, July 15 1996; Page F19
   The Washington Post
   
   
   
   Does the First Amendment work?
   
   I've always thought the notion at the core of the Founding Fathers'
   vision of democracy is compelling: In the marketplace of ideas, good
   ones sell and the bad ones go stale on the shelf.
   
   But we all know that things don't always turn out that way. The worst
   ideas don't always die; many persist. Sometimes, for a while at least,
   they even prevail. As my wife said the other night, bursting my
   idealistic bubble: "That Hitler guy must give you a twinge."
   
   Lately, though, I've gotten a nice, big dose of hope from watching
   hatemongers on the Net as they duke it out with the truth-squaders. In
   any intellectual combat, those who can support their arguments with
   facts are better armed. And guess what? The Internet gives us a new
   kind of arsenal.
   
   That might go against what you've been reading. A lot of journalists
   are discovering "hate speech" on the Internet -- racism, antisemitism,
   the whole vile package. It's the cover story for the current issue of
   Emerge, with the arresting image of a mouse cord tied in a noose. Such
   groups as the Simon Wiesenthal Center in California try to persuade
   publications to run stories on this loathsome trend, and they urge
   governments to drive those who spread messages of hate off the Net.
   
   There's nothing new about hate speech, but the Internet puts a global
   printing press in everyone's hands. Some people who use it will not be
   nice.
   
   The story now is the occasional victories over hate on-line. On the
   Usenet, the global conglomeration of discussion groups, the debate
   over such topics is endless. There is scholarly debate over the exact
   number of people killed in the Holocaust, but no serious historian
   denies that it happened or that millions died.
   
   Rich Graves, a Stanford University computer technician who fights
   so-called Holocaust revisionists on-line, said he has seen in recent
   months a gradual drop-off in the on-line areas where Nazi topics are
   discussed, especially among the "foot soldiers" who are just looking
   for something to believe in. "People are more pensive," Graves said,
   adding that they might be thinking, "Maybe we are just a bunch of
   stupid drunk skinheads who have no life."
   
   The important thing, Graves said, is to engage the haters, not ignore
   them. "Trivializing the process by saying these guys are kooky gets us
   nowhere."
   
   One of the most surprising tools in the on-line marketplace of ideas
   is DejaNews, the on-line service that archives and indexes the vast
   array of discussion groups. The year-old service is changing Net
   discourse in two ways. Some people fret that they are being spied on
   when they see their old postings thrown back at them. But the silver
   lining is that DejaNews tracks people in their lies and vitriol.
   
   The technology, then, puts all of us on guard -- and may make
   discussions more civil in the long run, said DejaNews President Steve
   Madere.
   
   The other crucial tool: the "Nizkor" project. Nizkor, directed by
   Kenneth McVay, a Canadian retiree who has devoted his adult life to
   fighting Holocaust deniers, is a massive effort to collect and refute
   those theories. The name is a Hebrew word meaning "we will remember."
   
   Flamboyant Holocaust revisionist Ernst Zundl actually links his Web
   site to Nizkor, by mutual agreement. Zundl, who rhapsodizes over the
   amount of money Web distribution saves him over his old "snail mail"
   methods, told me he wants his views compared with those at Nizkor
   because he believes he will win: "A lie is a lie, whether you tell it
   once or 6 million times."
   
   The Nizkor project brilliantly does what daily journalists don't
   generally have the space or patience to do: Pick apart lies and
   disinformation bit by bit. Its on-line storehouse of 3,857 files takes
   up 180 megabytes -- a massive armamentarium for anyone who wants to
   take on the purveyors of hate.
   
   And it works. Mike Stein, a Washington area computer programmer
   working with Nizkor, passed along with satisfaction an electronic mail
   message he received in November that said, in part, "One thing your
   arguments have done is to force me to take a more critical look at my
   previously held beliefs, and I must confess that I have become
   somewhat more agnostic about some of the central claims of the
   Holocaust rather than continuing to reject them outright."
   
   Is he the only one? Is he part of a trend? There's no way to tell. But
   we can only hope.
   
   Jamie McCarthy, a Nizkor Webmaster, said committed Holocaust
   revisionists follow a pattern on-line: "When it becomes clear they are
   not dealing with a bunch of know-nothings, they lose interest and
   leave." Take Friedrich Berg, who has published articles claiming that
   the diesel engines used in some gas chambers could not have killed.
   Informed Net citizens countered his arguments point by point. "After
   four to five months of this, he didn't have much to say except to call
   people ugly Jews," McCarthy said. Berg stopped posting.
   
   The on-line guest book at Nizkor is an evolving testament to the power
   of free speech. One visitor wrote:
   
   "As the child of survivors of the Holocaust I am particularly dismayed
   when intelligent and reasonable people are influenced by revisionist
   pap. I'm often frustrated to the point where I'd sooner tolerate
   censorship than the promulgation of neo-Nazi lies. Your work restores
   my faith in reasoned debate and the drive of honest people to find and
   spread the truth."
   
   Memo to the Founders: Thanks, guys. You got it right.
   
   John Schwartz's e-mail address is schwartj@twp.com
   
   PLACES TO GO
   
   Nizkor's Web site is at www.almanac.bc.ca/; you'll find a link there
   to Ernst Zundl's anti-Holocaust site. And while you're thinking about
   free speech, why not read the full text of the Communications Decency
   Act decision at www.cdt.org? Although the case concerned indecency,
   the judges said plenty about speech and democracy: "Federalists and
   Anti-Federalists may debate the structure of their government nightly,
   but these debates occur in newsgroups or chat rooms rather than in
   pamphlets."
   
   © Copyright 1996 The Washington Post Company
   
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> scallon@pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) writes:
> >For those of you who do not understand:
> >
> >Kenneth McVay started the Nizkor Project after he stumbled across Dan
> >Gannon's revisionist BBS (denies the Holocaust).  His Nizkor Project
> >had millions of byltes of data about the Holocaust and info about the
> >revisionists (i.e. Gannon, Les Greaseball, Rich Graves, Kevin Alfred

So Mr. Scallon hates Greaseballs, I.E. the poor?

> >Strom, etc.); He was awarded the Order of British Columbia for his
> >work.

The Order of British Columbia is NOTHING.  It is NOT British Columbia,
according to Ken McVay it's a private anti-racist group.  It's as
meaningful as if he were crowned The King of Siam by the PETA.

> Hmm. How'd I get in there? How amusing.
> 
> No, Duncan, I'm merely amused. I'm too young and secure [sic] to worry
> what people who don't know me think. I also know that I have the freedom
> to respond. Were I so "exposed" in Germany, yes, it would give me pause,
> but I would prefer to deal with it in the open.
> 
> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
> rather open about advocating genocide, today.

You can't prove it, because you can't.

> Nizkor is now at http://www.nizkor.org/. It's mostly an archive for
> serious researchers of the genre (i.e., you'll find no pretty graphics,
> and lots of primary documents with little didactic commentary -- because
> they have confidence that the documents speak for themselves), but take a
> gander at http://www.nizkor.org/features/

There's no commentary because they are unable to rebut anti-Holocaustism.

> More to the point, Ken McVay and Rich Graves do *not* support censorship

Yes you guys do, you just say you don't believe in censorship by
government, buts it's a-ok for business.  Yes, business can censor,
take a look at the mass media, with their censorship by violation of
the anti-trust acts.  And you guys advocate the imprisonment or
deportation of Ernst Zundel, who's only "crime" was racist speech,
which is all he's ever been charged with, criminally or civilly.

And what would anti-racists say if racism threatens to become a powerful
movement?  I'd expect your opposition to censorship by government to
evaporate into the ether.

OTOH, I envision an authoritarian racist government controlling America,
secure from violence against race.  The racists will look at the rise
of an anti-racist movement as a warning, as a messenger, rather than
censor, rather then suppress verbose expressions of dissent, try to
correct the problems.  However, it's basic to racist sociology, that
anti-racism can only exist in a country with color, as well as
suppressive racism, and so many other problems extant.

> of *any* form. Skippy's just trolling. He doesn't understand that I don't
> mind what he's doing at all, because everything he says is so patently
> ridiculous that serves only as positive PR for Nizkor and, to a lesser
> extent, me.
> 
> Skippy helped get Nizkor recognized in the Washington Post for its
> effective response to hate groups *without* censorship. I highly recommend
> the article at:
> 
>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-07/15/031L-071596-idx.html

Which is just a one-sided irrelevent look at online Holocaust, from a
low quality one-sided monoploy news media.  You respect This article
>from  the Post?  What crap:
   
           WITH INNOVATIVE USE, THE WEB EMPOWERS THE FIRST AMENDMENT
                                       
   By John Schwartz 
   Washington Post Staff Writer
   Monday, July 15 1996; Page F19
   The Washington Post
   
   
   
   Does the First Amendment work?
   
   I've always thought the notion at the core of the Founding Fathers'
   vision of democracy is compelling: In the marketplace of ideas, good
   ones sell and the bad ones go stale on the shelf.
   
   But we all know that things don't always turn out that way. The worst
   ideas don't always die; many persist. Sometimes, for a while at least,
   they even prevail. As my wife said the other night, bursting my
   idealistic bubble: "That Hitler guy must give you a twinge."
   
   Lately, though, I've gotten a nice, big dose of hope from watching
   hatemongers on the Net as they duke it out with the truth-squaders. In
   any intellectual combat, those who can support their arguments with
   facts are better armed. And guess what? The Internet gives us a new
   kind of arsenal.
   
   That might go against what you've been reading. A lot of journalists
   are discovering "hate speech" on the Internet -- racism, antisemitism,
   the whole vile package. It's the cover story for the current issue of
   Emerge, with the arresting image of a mouse cord tied in a noose. Such
   groups as the Simon Wiesenthal Center in California try to persuade
   publications to run stories on this loathsome trend, and they urge
   governments to drive those who spread messages of hate off the Net.
   
   There's nothing new about hate speech, but the Internet puts a global
   printing press in everyone's hands. Some people who use it will not be
   nice.
   
   The story now is the occasional victories over hate on-line. On the
   Usenet, the global conglomeration of discussion groups, the debate
   over such topics is endless. There is scholarly debate over the exact
   number of people killed in the Holocaust, but no serious historian
   denies that it happened or that millions died.
   
   Rich Graves, a Stanford University computer technician who fights
   so-called Holocaust revisionists on-line, said he has seen in recent
   months a gradual drop-off in the on-line areas where Nazi topics are
   discussed, especially among the "foot soldiers" who are just looking
   for something to believe in. "People are more pensive," Graves said,
   adding that they might be thinking, "Maybe we are just a bunch of
   stupid drunk skinheads who have no life."
   
   The important thing, Graves said, is to engage the haters, not ignore
   them. "Trivializing the process by saying these guys are kooky gets us
   nowhere."
   
   One of the most surprising tools in the on-line marketplace of ideas
   is DejaNews, the on-line service that archives and indexes the vast
   array of discussion groups. The year-old service is changing Net
   discourse in two ways. Some people fret that they are being spied on
   when they see their old postings thrown back at them. But the silver
   lining is that DejaNews tracks people in their lies and vitriol.
   
   The technology, then, puts all of us on guard -- and may make
   discussions more civil in the long run, said DejaNews President Steve
   Madere.
   
   The other crucial tool: the "Nizkor" project. Nizkor, directed by
   Kenneth McVay, a Canadian retiree who has devoted his adult life to
   fighting Holocaust deniers, is a massive effort to collect and refute
   those theories. The name is a Hebrew word meaning "we will remember."
   
   Flamboyant Holocaust revisionist Ernst Zundl actually links his Web
   site to Nizkor, by mutual agreement. Zundl, who rhapsodizes over the
   amount of money Web distribution saves him over his old "snail mail"
   methods, told me he wants his views compared with those at Nizkor
   because he believes he will win: "A lie is a lie, whether you tell it
   once or 6 million times."
   
   The Nizkor project brilliantly does what daily journalists don't
   generally have the space or patience to do: Pick apart lies and
   disinformation bit by bit. Its on-line storehouse of 3,857 files takes
   up 180 megabytes -- a massive armamentarium for anyone who wants to
   take on the purveyors of hate.
   
   And it works. Mike Stein, a Washington area computer programmer
   working with Nizkor, passed along with satisfaction an electronic mail
   message he received in November that said, in part, "One thing your
   arguments have done is to force me to take a more critical look at my
   previously held beliefs, and I must confess that I have become
   somewhat more agnostic about some of the central claims of the
   Holocaust rather than continuing to reject them outright."
   
   Is he the only one? Is he part of a trend? There's no way to tell. But
   we can only hope.
   
   Jamie McCarthy, a Nizkor Webmaster, said committed Holocaust
   revisionists follow a pattern on-line: "When it becomes clear they are
   not dealing with a bunch of know-nothings, they lose interest and
   leave." Take Friedrich Berg, who has published articles claiming that
   the diesel engines used in some gas chambers could not have killed.
   Informed Net citizens countered his arguments point by point. "After
   four to five months of this, he didn't have much to say except to call
   people ugly Jews," McCarthy said. Berg stopped posting.
   
   The on-line guest book at Nizkor is an evolving testament to the power
   of free speech. One visitor wrote:
   
   "As the child of survivors of the Holocaust I am particularly dismayed
   when intelligent and reasonable people are influenced by revisionist
   pap. I'm often frustrated to the point where I'd sooner tolerate
   censorship than the promulgation of neo-Nazi lies. Your work restores
   my faith in reasoned debate and the drive of honest people to find and
   spread the truth."
   
   Memo to the Founders: Thanks, guys. You got it right.
   
   John Schwartz's e-mail address is schwartj@twp.com
   
   PLACES TO GO
   
   Nizkor's Web site is at www.almanac.bc.ca/; you'll find a link there
   to Ernst Zundl's anti-Holocaust site. And while you're thinking about
   free speech, why not read the full text of the Communications Decency
   Act decision at www.cdt.org? Although the case concerned indecency,
   the judges said plenty about speech and democracy: "Federalists and
   Anti-Federalists may debate the structure of their government nightly,
   but these debates occur in newsgroups or chat rooms rather than in
   pamphlets."
   
   © Copyright 1996 The Washington Post Company
   
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104670.3420@compuserve.com writes:

> Rich Graves was, I'm afraid, too heavy handed in his irony. He understood
> the relevant issue, namely the public dissemination of private information
> in an attempt to inculpate, but decided to avoid it, confusing you in the
> process. Some of the names on the Z-list posted here a few days ago are
> not even Zundel sympathizers, and both the guilty and the innocent are now
> potential victims of harassment. My point was that anyone who assumed that
> the list would reveal "guilt," as the person who posted it evidently did,
> would have made a good HUAAC investigator, "good" being my own ironic
> substitute for ethically wrong. 

You Nazi apologist!  ALL Z-list subscribers are Neo-Nazi's who want to
round up Jews into concentration camps to use for medical experiments!
Just like the subscribers to alt.revisionism.

> > dukeuvurl@aol.com (DukeuvURL) wrote in article
> <4t6rf2$f57@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
> > Rich Graves wrote:
> > 
> > >>"Duncan Coons" <104670.3420@compuserve.com> writes:
> > >>Whoever posted the list must have the psychological profile of a Stasi
> > >>agent, or a HUAAC investigator. 
> > >
> > >I'm sure that Ingrid Rimland, the list owner, who accidentally posted
> the
> > >list for the SECOND time (first was March 24th), will be flattered.
> > 
> > I think Duncan might be referring to some others who have latched onto
> and
> > reposted the list in several places.  With no personal criticism
> directed
> > at Cecelia, I don't think much of her use of it either.  It was not
> > necessary for what she was/is trying to do, nor were her Yiddish remarks
> > called for.  But hey, you see a lot worse here many times each day.
>  

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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article , joelr@subzero.winternet.com
> (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
> 
> > Your blather aside, let me point you at South High School in
> > Minneapolis, which is very diverse, and usually comes in high on the
> > list of best high schools in the country.  

So?  How does that invalidate racism?  The "best" in what way?  And how
"diverse?"  Jersey City is among the wealthiest school districts in the
country, with $9,500.00+ spent by the district per public high school
student per year, according to the news.  It is, of course, "very
diverse," and performs poorly by most measures.

> > And, in point of fact, my daughters will go to good schools.  I'd
> > prefer that those be good public schools with a diverse student body,
> > but I'm flexible on all but the "good."

Liar.  You prefer Jewish domination of the schools.

> Just for a bit of perspective, Joel, when I went to elementary school in
> Maryland, our school had the first black principal in the state, AND the
> first voluntary bussing program of inner city black kids into our
> predominantly white school. (There was *one* black child in my class, and
> he was the son of the Nigerian ambassador.)

Are you bragging?  Baltimore is now the pits, but Berkeley beat you
to it.  We had the FIRST bussing program of blacks and whites.  When
I was in elementary school, judging from class photographs of mine
and others, the school was 50% colored with a white principal then,
Italian.  The official percentage of Afro-Asians is now 70%, which
means the white percentage is substantially below 30%, considering
that non-whites are often illigitimately categorized as white.

The private secular schools are substantially Jewish.
I don't know about the catholic schools here, but Catholic University
on the East Coast is 30% Jewish which suggests that the Jewish
percentage in Catholic schools would be high here too.

> Our elementary school was considered one of the finest in the country, and
> many of its students have gone on to become happy, successful, bright,
> people.

Because of, or inspite of, color?

Noticed how it's the wealthier schools that introduced bussing;
now was that before or after integration?

> Of course, some of us became ZOG agents.

Some Jews are against Israel.  Perhaps a more accurate term is JOG.
As in "Thank the JOG for our high standard of living, our domination
over America!"

> Sara
> 
> > 
> [followups trimmed dramatically]
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po


wers can do."
>      Walt Whitman

FRIK, Walt Whitman was white.























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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article <090309Z26071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.
> 
> Really? ALL JEWS?! Fascinating.
>  
> And your source for this piece of idiocy is... ?

Mark Alstine, Andrew Mathis, Joel Rosenberg and Mike Beebe proved it.

> Sara
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po
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>      Walt Whitman



















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 11:56:46 PDT 1996
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atheist@wam.umd.edu writes:

> dumb-dymb, you're supposed to have a PhD. Every people has 'anti-semitic' 
> jokes. Wake up. Jews have earned their title for stingyness and usury. 
> Like the blacks have earned their titles for laziness and stupidity. 
> Everything has a grain of truth in it: specially jokes.

Jews invented most anti-semitic jokes.  Cheapness is a virtue, they want
to think of themselves as good businessmen rather than corrupt.

> A
> 
> On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Marty Kelley wrote:
> 
> > Oh, I get it!  Jews are CHEAPSKATES!  Golly, that's funny!
> > 
> > How old did you say you were, Izzy?
> > 
> > ----------------------
> > Marty Kelley  (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU)
> > 
> > "A thoroughly fun, mindless little vacation, _Independence Day_
> > is sort of like an enema: eventful, and then you feel empty"
> > 			-capsule review, _The Tucson Weekly_
> > 
> > 
> > 

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:38:33 PDT 1996
Article: 26176 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <120309Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > mvanalst@rbi.com writes:
> > 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > One of the good guys.  Contrary to all the other "American"
> > opponents of Stalinism, he recognised Jews were also on the
> > bad side.  He wasn't like Robert Conquest and Sakharov, etc.,
> > who took advantage of the terror to promote Judiasm.  Check
> > out the page in Gulag II where there's six pictures of Jews,
> > all evil, such as Yagoda, head of the OGPU, and Frenkel, a
> > camp chief.  Yagoda's predecessor, name starts with an M.,
> > and his successor, Yezhov, and his successor, Lavrenti Beria,
> > were Jewish.  Joseph Stalin married Jewish as his second or
> > third wife, and his airhead daughter Svetlana is half Jewish.
> > (She was cute as a kid, however.)
> 
> Hmmm. I think we all can guess which side of the "line" that this
> Vyshinsky character is on: the fruit 'n' nuts side.

Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.

> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:38:35 PDT 1996
Article: 26188 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> >freedom@netcom.ca writes:
> >>In article <4si34p$6un@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> >>
> >>>>      Putting pressure on them so they refuse clients you don't like
> >>>>      infringes on their freedom to do business, and it infringes on
> >>>>      everybody's freedom of thought and expression.
> >>>
> >>>....which begs the question: How does anyone know that some
> >>>external party "brought pressure" on Pathway? It is, for
> >>>instance, entirely possible that Pathway's management was
> >>>blissfully unaware of the content of Lemire's page, and
> >>>someone came along and said "Hey, look at what's on your
> >>>computer!"
> >>
> >>I was quite clear with Pathway Communications before I signed on with them, 
> >>that I was going to start up a controversial website, and I was a paying 
> >>customer of theirs for more almost a year.
> >>
> >>
> >>I can only suppose it was Sol Littman from the Simon Wiesenthal Center due to 
> >>what he is up to now with FTCNET, but since Pathway will not tell anyone the 
> >>actual reason for kicking me off, it is only speculation on what happened.
> >
> >Why it says right here at
> >http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/vancouver_sun.html
> >that it's the Mongoloid owner of Pathway.ca's fault because he doesn't
> >like the political views on ~freedom.
> 
> Yes. It was the personal view of the ISP's owner, not any pressure from
> the SWC.

It's not entirely relevent.  SWC will be SWC.  However, an ISP shouldn't
buckle, admins must learn to admin.  It's net abuse to censor.

> >BTW, c2.net has a Oakland/SF location with cheap telnet-only access
> >and promise not to censor.  It's something like $22.50 for three
> >months with good bandwidth and 5 megs with web page.  They ripped me
> >off though, when they had local dial-ups.
> 
> Oh? How?

They owe me $20.00.  When they used to have dial-ups, their manual said
to enclose three months payment if a month's payment would be UNDER $20.00.
$20.00 is the monthly payment for dial-up shell without a setup fee.
But they suspended/closed the account demanding $40.00 more dollars, and
their e-mail responses were dumb.  I should of showed up at their door
with their printed manual, yes.

Anyway, their finger idea is cool, it works now.  Encrypted identd is
better than plain identd.  But they could be more creative here, such
as going for a higher security level, where the users themselves are
completely hidden from ps, who, w etc.  And the permissions for /users
as well as /www could be set to executable only, so all this stuff
together would make it impossible for anyone but the admin to know
about a user's account unless the user voluntarily discloses it such
as from an e-mail.

> It's Berkeley, actually.

They just moved their office to Oakland.  That's a cybersleuth clue that
you pay by something other than check, e-cash?  Or you want to give the
impression.

BTW, I figured out that mail order companies will accept fake names with
a credit card number.  It's two-bits for privacy, because the full name
and address show up in the credit record, of course.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:38:36 PDT 1996
Article: 26281 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article <090309Z26071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.
> 
> Really? ALL JEWS?! Fascinating.
>  
> And your source for this piece of idiocy is... ?

Mark Alstine, Andrew Mathis, Joel Rosenberg and Mike Beebe proved it.

> Sara
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po
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>      Walt Whitman



















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:38:37 PDT 1996
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hambone9@ix.netcom.com writes:

> The American Spectator reports this month, in an article titled "Dames at 
> Sea ( In today's feminized military, the pregnant look is becoming as 
> chic as the idea of women in combat.)"  that the idea of having women 
> serve on combat surface ships is not working out too well, but in the 
> Clinton military (an oxymoron?) there will be no contradiction of 
> orthodox feminist ideology, and regardless of performance, the policy 
> will continue.
> 
> The following is an excerpt from that article by John Corry:
> 
> " The Navy began assigning limited numbers of women to noncombat ships 
> around 1980. It was a bad move from the start. A later study of two Navy 
> tenders showed a pregnancy rate among female members as high as one in 
> three. In 1994, the same year that women began serving on combat ships, 
> "The Navy Times" reported that at least five babies already had been born 
> at sea. A boy died just after birth. Since then, more women have been 
> assigned to ships, and the Navy now takes it for granted that some 10 
> percent of them will be in a family way whenever they return from long 
> cruises. Our Admirals, however, are unlikely to admit this publicly, or 
> even to acknowledge that sex takes place at sea. When 39 of the 400 women 
> aboard the aircraft carrier Eisenhower became pregnant, the Navy 
> suggested that they were all impregnated when their partners joined them 
> for shore leave. "

So, what's wrong with this?  The white birthrate is suicidally low,
white children should be encourage to be created at a high rate.  It's
patriotic to bear/sire white children!  The ONLY thing wrong with this
situation is the unpatriotic racial integration.  But other than that,
it's good news that white children are being born in the military.
White children are patriotic!  It's unmanly to not have several white
children;  It's unfeminine to not have several white children!  The
extermination of the 600,000,000 must be stopped.

> What does this do to military preparedness? I goes to hell, that's what! 

And what does our military have to do with military preparedness?  Our
societies leadership is extremely weak and unpatriotic.  Anti-racism
is the proof of it.

> But it's OK....our enemies will go easy on us....

Go racists!

> Corry goes on to write:
> 
> " Dalton ( Secretary of the Navy ) was advancing two contradictory 
> thoughts simultaneously. George Orwell called this double think. The 
> Secretary of the Navy wanted us to believe a warship can have a full 
> complement of highly trained personell even if some of them are down with 
> morning sickness, or gone off to have babies. Pentagon figures show that 
> during hostilities in the Persian Gulf, naval women were 3.7 times more 
> likely to be "nondeployable" or out of action, than naval men. Moreover, 
> the berthing spaces assigned to women on shipboard can only be filled by 
> other women. Thus the Navy must find a female radar technician, say, to 
> replace a pregnant or otherwise nondeployable radar technician who has 
> departed. If one is not available, the warship must do without. "
> 
> Hambone
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:40:42 PDT 1996
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <120309Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > mvanalst@rbi.com writes:
> > 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > One of the good guys.  Contrary to all the other "American"
> > opponents of Stalinism, he recognised Jews were also on the
> > bad side.  He wasn't like Robert Conquest and Sakharov, etc.,
> > who took advantage of the terror to promote Judiasm.  Check
> > out the page in Gulag II where there's six pictures of Jews,
> > all evil, such as Yagoda, head of the OGPU, and Frenkel, a
> > camp chief.  Yagoda's predecessor, name starts with an M.,
> > and his successor, Yezhov, and his successor, Lavrenti Beria,
> > were Jewish.  Joseph Stalin married Jewish as his second or
> > third wife, and his airhead daughter Svetlana is half Jewish.
> > (She was cute as a kid, however.)
> 
> Hmmm. I think we all can guess which side of the "line" that this
> Vyshinsky character is on: the fruit 'n' nuts side.

Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.

> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:40:44 PDT 1996
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> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> >freedom@netcom.ca writes:
> >>In article <4si34p$6un@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> >>
> >>>>      Putting pressure on them so they refuse clients you don't like
> >>>>      infringes on their freedom to do business, and it infringes on
> >>>>      everybody's freedom of thought and expression.
> >>>
> >>>....which begs the question: How does anyone know that some
> >>>external party "brought pressure" on Pathway? It is, for
> >>>instance, entirely possible that Pathway's management was
> >>>blissfully unaware of the content of Lemire's page, and
> >>>someone came along and said "Hey, look at what's on your
> >>>computer!"
> >>
> >>I was quite clear with Pathway Communications before I signed on with them, 
> >>that I was going to start up a controversial website, and I was a paying 
> >>customer of theirs for more almost a year.
> >>
> >>
> >>I can only suppose it was Sol Littman from the Simon Wiesenthal Center due to 
> >>what he is up to now with FTCNET, but since Pathway will not tell anyone the 
> >>actual reason for kicking me off, it is only speculation on what happened.
> >
> >Why it says right here at
> >http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/vancouver_sun.html
> >that it's the Mongoloid owner of Pathway.ca's fault because he doesn't
> >like the political views on ~freedom.
> 
> Yes. It was the personal view of the ISP's owner, not any pressure from
> the SWC.

It's not entirely relevent.  SWC will be SWC.  However, an ISP shouldn't
buckle, admins must learn to admin.  It's net abuse to censor.

> >BTW, c2.net has a Oakland/SF location with cheap telnet-only access
> >and promise not to censor.  It's something like $22.50 for three
> >months with good bandwidth and 5 megs with web page.  They ripped me
> >off though, when they had local dial-ups.
> 
> Oh? How?

They owe me $20.00.  When they used to have dial-ups, their manual said
to enclose three months payment if a month's payment would be UNDER $20.00.
$20.00 is the monthly payment for dial-up shell without a setup fee.
But they suspended/closed the account demanding $40.00 more dollars, and
their e-mail responses were dumb.  I should of showed up at their door
with their printed manual, yes.

Anyway, their finger idea is cool, it works now.  Encrypted identd is
better than plain identd.  But they could be more creative here, such
as going for a higher security level, where the users themselves are
completely hidden from ps, who, w etc.  And the permissions for /users
as well as /www could be set to executable only, so all this stuff
together would make it impossible for anyone but the admin to know
about a user's account unless the user voluntarily discloses it such
as from an e-mail.

> It's Berkeley, actually.

They just moved their office to Oakland.  That's a cybersleuth clue that
you pay by something other than check, e-cash?  Or you want to give the
impression.

BTW, I figured out that mail order companies will accept fake names with
a credit card number.  It's two-bits for privacy, because the full name
and address show up in the credit record, of course.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:40:45 PDT 1996
Article: 37280 of alt.politics.white-power
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drebola@aol.com writes:

> I am currently researching the life and career of George Lincoln Rockwell.
> Following the abortive attempt to have his remains interred at the
> National Military Cemetary in Culpepper, lawsuits apparently were pursued
> to have him receive a military burial. A remembrance ceremony was then
> held at ANP headquarters in Arlington. VA but accounts do not state
> whether Rockwell's remains were temporarily interred on-site or not. I
> have been unable to find any definitive account of his final resting
> place. I would appreciate any information (please include sources!) you
> might have.

Mr. Rockwell wrote a book titled White Power shortly before he was
slain, supposedly by a racist.  It's available from National Vanguard
Books.  I haven't read it.



























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:40:46 PDT 1996
Article: 37325 of alt.politics.white-power
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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article <090309Z26071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.
> 
> Really? ALL JEWS?! Fascinating.
>  
> And your source for this piece of idiocy is... ?

Mark Alstine, Andrew Mathis, Joel Rosenberg and Mike Beebe proved it.

> Sara
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po
wers can do."
>      Walt Whitman



















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:43:07 PDT 1996
Article: 71086 of alt.conspiracy
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Associated Press only pictured Jews in the San Francisco Chronicle
despite the fact that there were few Jews on board.  This is a clue
that organised Jews may be plotting to shift the blame on the
terror from them onto anti-semites.

Other clues:

National Security Council: 70% Jewish
New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Miami Herald,
Daily Oklahoman, Albuquerque Republican, Time, Newsweek, USA Today,
ABC, CBS, and NBC are all Jewish media outlets, owned or controlled.
The establishment is to blame for all crime.









































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:43:09 PDT 1996
Article: 71239 of alt.conspiracy
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womack@nntp.best.com writes:

It's not that we need NO nationalism, we need GOOD nationalism,
Euro-American nationalism.  Racists need our own space, man.
Jews did the bombings, Jews out of hatred, hatred of the white
race, of humanity, hatred of racism, hatred of nationalism, hatred
of the source of all creativity in the world.  Jews control the
pentagon, THAT'S why the military budget should be zero'ed.  Jews
control the world, THAT'S why we need a nation, to be free of Jews,
free of terrorism, to improve our race, where everyone can be an
individual, rather than some Jewish cog in the wheel.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:51:07 PDT 1996
Article: 1950 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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assultan@cc.memphis.edu writes:

>In article <4stgin$qos@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, jhertzli@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) writes:
>> I wanna be plaid!
>> 
>> In <114304Z20071996@anon.penet.fi> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Wilhelm
>> Schmidt) writes: 
>> 
>>>Poles and Romanians are being impoverished by the sub-human exploiters
>>>of the World Jewish Congress, led by Edgar Bronfman, one of the rulers
>>>of this world.
>
>Subhumans are people like you who can't stand the success of other
>people and somehow contribute their success not on hard work but
>on exploitation. 

Jews are hard at work exploiting East Europeans, my brothers.  We're
going to get the west that has been enslaved by Afro-Asians.  The
World Jewish Congress is shaping up to be the world's largest private
landowner, a travesty!































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:51:08 PDT 1996
Article: 1969 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> >freedom@netcom.ca writes:
> >>In article <4si34p$6un@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> >>
> >>>>      Putting pressure on them so they refuse clients you don't like
> >>>>      infringes on their freedom to do business, and it infringes on
> >>>>      everybody's freedom of thought and expression.
> >>>
> >>>....which begs the question: How does anyone know that some
> >>>external party "brought pressure" on Pathway? It is, for
> >>>instance, entirely possible that Pathway's management was
> >>>blissfully unaware of the content of Lemire's page, and
> >>>someone came along and said "Hey, look at what's on your
> >>>computer!"
> >>
> >>I was quite clear with Pathway Communications before I signed on with them, 
> >>that I was going to start up a controversial website, and I was a paying 
> >>customer of theirs for more almost a year.
> >>
> >>
> >>I can only suppose it was Sol Littman from the Simon Wiesenthal Center due to 
> >>what he is up to now with FTCNET, but since Pathway will not tell anyone the 
> >>actual reason for kicking me off, it is only speculation on what happened.
> >
> >Why it says right here at
> >http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/vancouver_sun.html
> >that it's the Mongoloid owner of Pathway.ca's fault because he doesn't
> >like the political views on ~freedom.
> 
> Yes. It was the personal view of the ISP's owner, not any pressure from
> the SWC.

It's not entirely relevent.  SWC will be SWC.  However, an ISP shouldn't
buckle, admins must learn to admin.  It's net abuse to censor.

> >BTW, c2.net has a Oakland/SF location with cheap telnet-only access
> >and promise not to censor.  It's something like $22.50 for three
> >months with good bandwidth and 5 megs with web page.  They ripped me
> >off though, when they had local dial-ups.
> 
> Oh? How?

They owe me $20.00.  When they used to have dial-ups, their manual said
to enclose three months payment if a month's payment would be UNDER $20.00.
$20.00 is the monthly payment for dial-up shell without a setup fee.
But they suspended/closed the account demanding $40.00 more dollars, and
their e-mail responses were dumb.  I should of showed up at their door
with their printed manual, yes.

Anyway, their finger idea is cool, it works now.  Encrypted identd is
better than plain identd.  But they could be more creative here, such
as going for a higher security level, where the users themselves are
completely hidden from ps, who, w etc.  And the permissions for /users
as well as /www could be set to executable only, so all this stuff
together would make it impossible for anyone but the admin to know
about a user's account unless the user voluntarily discloses it such
as from an e-mail.

> It's Berkeley, actually.

They just moved their office to Oakland.  That's a cybersleuth clue that
you pay by something other than check, e-cash?  Or you want to give the
impression.

BTW, I figured out that mail order companies will accept fake names with
a credit card number.  It's two-bits for privacy, because the full name
and address show up in the credit record, of course.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:51:10 PDT 1996
Article: 1980 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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dkeren@world.std.com writes:

> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
> 
> # The Holocaust dedicated have some things to say about the
> # claim that there were 3,000,000+ Polish Jews. For their
> # methods of responding to the challenge of these numbers, 
> # see alt.revisionism, "3,000,000 Prewar Polish Jews?"  
> 
> I have posted the excerpt from Hans Frank's speech, in
> which he mentions that, after Poland was under Nazi
> control, there were at least 2.5 million Jews in the
> "General Government" (part of Nazi-occupied Poland), who
> were marked for "annihilation" by the Nazis.
> 
> I posted this two times already, as a response to this
> thread.

Who produced those papers, the Soviet Union?  Is that the
only document of his speech?  Do ALL historical resources
lead back to JUST that one Soviet document of a speech?
The allies had an axe to grind, the Soviet documents
alone can't be trusted.  Neither can confessions obtained
by Soviet interrogators.  The Soviet documents, and the
confessions to the Soviets, are as trustworthy as the
documents and confessions of Bukharin or Kretinsky in 
1938 under Yezkov and Beria.

> You have proved again, yesterday, that you cannot handle
> basic arithmetic (with your claim about the amount of
> food near Belsen camp). Apparently, you also cannot read.
> 
> I have yet to see a bunch of bloody idiots like you 
> "revisionists". To the last, you are a bunch of mentally
> retarded imbeciles. This is just incredible; I've never
> seen such fools in my life.
> 
> 
> -Danny Keren.
> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:51:10 PDT 1996
Article: 1984 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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jamie@voyager.net write:

> llurch@stanford.edu (Rich Graves) wrote:
> 
> > llurch@stanford.edu (E. Zundel Repost) writes:
> 
> > >It isn't all that long ago where personal character assassination and
> > >individual demonization sufficed.  For decades, that is how Ernst Zuendel
> > >was forced to exist - largely due to court-imposed gag orders issued to
> > >calm the tantrums of the Forever Persecuted.
> 
> Just to set the record straight -- according to Lenski's book, there was
> indeed a court-imposed gag order after the 1985 trial.  But after the
> 1988 trial, Zuendel was sentenced to nine months of prison;  a few days
> later, the judge agreed to release him on bail for the duration on the
> condition that he not speak about the Holocaust.  Zuendel _agreed_ to
> these latter terms, so I'm hard-pressed to call that latter act a case
> of censorship.  He had, after all, been tried and convicted in court --
> albeit under a stupid law -- and the sentence he was given did not
> require him to be silent.  He opted to take the deal and has no right to
> complain about its terms.

No right to complain, eh?  You call a "choice" between imprisonment and
silence to be a real choice?  I call it force, by the force of the
government.

> I will repeat that, if Lenski's summary is correct, the gag order after
> the 1985 trial was something I cannot agree with, for the same reasons I
> cannot agree with the law under which he was convicted.

Do you think he was dishonored, wronged?  Shouldn't he be pardoned,
shouldn't the government and Jewish community apologise to the
aggrieved?

> p. 29.  The date is March 25, 1985:
> 
>    Judge Locke took the argument a step further as he handed down a
>    sentence of 15 months in prison and three years probation, by
>    asserting that the sentence reflected the outrage felt by _all_
>    Canadaians.

So a judge thinks of anti-semites and Holocaust dissidents to be
sub-human, what else is new?

>    Locke's sentence also forbade Zundel to speak about the Holocaust
>    for the entire duration.  A _Globe and Mail_ editorial on March 27
>    called this "a stunning judicial gag of a Canadian resident.  It
>    prohibits a man from expressing _any_ public opinion about the
>    Second World War, among many other topics that might be
>    'indirectly related' to the Holocaust....Griffiths says false
>    speech -- not free speech -- is the issue.  There is no free
>    speech without the possibility of false speech."  The editorial
>    might have added that Zundel was probably the first Canadian ever
>    sentenced to prison for having the wrong opinion.
> 
> pp. 506-507.  The asterix marks a footnote which is irrelevant
> here and is omitted.  The date is Friday, May 13, 1988;  the judge
> is Judge Thomas:
> 
>    Suddenly the judge said:  "Stand up, Mr. Zundel.  You will be
>    sentenced to imprisonment for nine months.  I don't intend to
>    impose any terms of probation.  I don't intend to require you to
>    perform any community service. I simply say to you that it may be
>    that you wish to be a martyr, and I was tempted to frustrate you
>    in that purpose that you have,* but I am required to send a
>    message to any other persons like yourself that this community
>    won't tolerate hate mongers.  You'll be sentenced to nine months
>    with no additional penalty.  Remove the accused."
>    
>    Handcuffs were immediately snapped onto Zundel's wrists, he was
>    led from the courtroom, and court was adjourned.
>    
>    [...]
>    
>    On Monday, May 16, Justice Houlden decided that Zundel could be
>    released on bail if he agreed not to write or speak about the
>    Holocaust and related subjects.  Zundel was also forced to
>    surrender his passport, and forbidden to travel outside Ontario. 
>    This gag order was as sweeping as that impose by Judge Locke in
>    1985, yet the _Toronto Globe and Mail_ and other big media, so
>    indignant three years earlier, kept their silence this time.  If
>    Zundel spoke on the Holocaust, warned Houlden, he would forfeit
>    his right to appeal and suffer immediate arrest and jailing.
>    
>    At about 4:00 p.m., a lady friend posted Zundel's $10,500 bail,
>    and he was released.

Is THIS account supposed to show how HORRORIBLE the man is?  I get the
impression from Anonymous Lurch that he's pretty cool.  No way would
the good guys want to silence or deport him.

> Lenski, Robert.  _The Holocaust on Trial: the Case of Ernst Zundel_.
> Reporter Press, Decatur, Alabama, 1989.
> 
> > >Somewhere I read that the Simon Wiesenthal Center now spends 80% of its
> > >damage control efforts to stop the spread of doubt about the Holocaust on
> > >the Internet.  Why would they bother doing that - unless Revisionism is a
> > >threat?
> > 
> > Gee, I don't suppose she has a reference for this, does she?
> 
> Hey, she read it somewhere.  What more do you want?
> 
> Posted;  emailed to a few friends who are invited to critique Lenski's
> account of events.
> -- 
>  Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
>  jamie@voyager.net        Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:51:11 PDT 1996
Article: 2005 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

> " SIGMUND MAZUR: I boiled the soap out of the bodies of women and men. The
> process of boiling alone took several days- from 3 to 7. During two
> manufacturing processes, in which I directly participated, more than 25
> kilograms of soap were produced. The amount of human fat necessary for these
> two processes was 70 to 80 kilograms collected from some 40 bodies ... I
> used this human soap for my personal needs, for toilet and for laundering. "
> 
> IMT VII - p. 598. 
> 
> =====
> 
> 	First off we note he "boiled the soap out of" which has nothing to do with the
> process of making soap.  One "boils the fat out of" of course.  But of course
> this could be a minor mis-statement or problem in translation as both are
> mentioned in the same context.  
> 
> 	But there is more.  The process of making soap is to cut off the fatty tissue
> and boil that.  (Then to boil the extracted fat with lye, form into cakes and
> cool.  It is only slightly more complicated than that and those steps affect
> the purity.)  
> 
> 	But rather than cutting off the fatty tissue for boiling this person boils
> entire bodies and in the process takes days rather than hours.
> 
> 	But there is more.  He reports only 2 kg per body.  Now here is a person
> charged with making up for a war time shortage (and noting that a soap
> shortage means a meat shortage not otherwise reported beyond rationing) is
> sent cadavers that were close to death from starvation or in fact died from
> starvation.  At one level this may explain why he failed to cut off the fatty
> tissue first but on another level it was hell of a waste of fuel cooking
> bodies for days.  

But Goldenhagen suggests that the Germans arrested Jews solely for the
purpose of torture for the sake of torture.  To humiliate and dominate
Jews was the purpose of anti-semitism, the Holocaust says.  Shoah says,
Shoah does.

> 	But there is more.  Noting that lye is added to fat to make soap, one gets a
> greater weight of soap than fat.  This gentleman manages to lose 2/3rds of the
> fat in the process.  
> 
> 	Beyond that, it is an interesting story.  

But wasn't the whole soap story cooked up by Neo-Nazis to discredit
the Holocaust, you know, just like the story about 4,000,000 Jews being
gassed in Auschwitz?  You know, the Neo-Nazis in Jewish suits?




























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:51:12 PDT 1996
Article: 2018 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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atheist@wam.umd.edu writes:

> dumb-dymb, you're supposed to have a PhD. Every people has 'anti-semitic' 
> jokes. Wake up. Jews have earned their title for stingyness and usury. 
> Like the blacks have earned their titles for laziness and stupidity. 
> Everything has a grain of truth in it: specially jokes.

Jews invented most anti-semitic jokes.  Cheapness is a virtue, they want
to think of themselves as good businessmen rather than corrupt.

> A
> 
> On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Marty Kelley wrote:
> 
> > Oh, I get it!  Jews are CHEAPSKATES!  Golly, that's funny!
> > 
> > How old did you say you were, Izzy?
> > 
> > ----------------------
> > Marty Kelley  (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU)
> > 
> > "A thoroughly fun, mindless little vacation, _Independence Day_
> > is sort of like an enema: eventful, and then you feel empty"
> > 			-capsule review, _The Tucson Weekly_
> > 
> > 
> > 

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:52:12 PDT 1996
Article: 91248 of alt.censorship
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Subject: Re: Wiesenthal Center (Canada) and the Ostrich Syndrome
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, "B.C. Internet provider is the
>largest Canadian site for racist material" is alarming.
(See URL http://www.anonymizer.com/http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/wiesenthal.center/press for a copy of the article.)


Agreed.  But would you have been concerned with this if racists did not
first bring it to your attention?  Will you admit that racists share
some of your viewpoints, that racists strenthen your belief?  Why did
you say you wanted Ernst Zundel deported and/or imprisoned, when it
could only be "legally" done by application of Canadian/German laws
against free speech for politically racist speech?  Racists are more
law-abiding than the general populace, but the governments' target
racists for any suspected/trumped-up crimes;  A hard situation to
change, but laws against racist speech make it blatantly unfair to
discuss race politics freely.

>It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact that 
>the host server is Canadian - nor indeed that the server is physically 
>located in BC - which give cause for alarm.
>
>It is alarming because - either by deliberate design or by abject ignorance
>- Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he represents in
>Canada) is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich Syndrome."
>Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality - akin to the
>Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
>
>Littman is quoted as saying:
>
>        "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, 
>        the longer they fester and the more they infect others 
>        and the only way to deal with them honestly and forcefully 
>        is to expose them to the light of truth."
>
>Yet the article concludes, 
>
>        "Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups  
>        from Fairview voluntarily before the centre takes any other 
>        action."
>
>The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
>Littman has no understanding of the Internet.  One is at a loss to determine
>how removal of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in any
>way "expose them to the light of truth."

Maybe he's suggesting themes like Goldenhagen's hate book.  Don't lie,
I've read it.

>If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
>Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is 
>accessed daily by hundreds.  In addition to being a source for those who 
>seek information about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an 
>electronic resource for those who wish to "deal with [these groups] 
>honestly and forcefully" thereby exposing Lemire and many others - of 
>whom Littman may not even be aware.
>
>Nizkor is arguably the "host" to more hate literature than any other
>website.  Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others,
>will Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such
>links?

Links?!?  Nizkor is primarily Neo-Nazi by weight.  SWC should take
further "action" because of your refusal to delete the hate, that is,
if SWC wants to be logical.

>Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material
>which meticulously documents and uses the "arguments" put forward by these
>groups as instruments of their refutation and exposure?
>
>If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while engaging
>in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so.  But the martyrdom they
>hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find offensive stands in
>marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on their own website.

Why not complain about SWC and the hundreds of other Jewish organisations
that support governments' consorship of anti-semitism?

>Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
>growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to
>participate in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the
>Internet.
>
>The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
>supremacist group on the Internet.  Such groups will fester in darkness, 
>but wither in light.

Agreed.  The darkness of anti-racism is far more dangerous to the West
than white supremists.

>Kenneth McVay, OBC
>The Nizkor Project
>
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The NSGWP and the Communists cooperated all the way up to 1933.
They jointly declared transportation strikes, and rent strikes.
The NSGWP opposed the privatisation of the Reichsbahn, and the
Communists followed.  There's no reason that racists and
anti-racists can't cooperate to secure freedom of operation.
Whatever works.  As long as anti-racists put a restraint on
their hypocrisy.



































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May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rain fall soft upon your fields,
and until we meet again,
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:55:19 PDT 1996
Article: 60747 of can.politics
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <120309Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > mvanalst@rbi.com writes:
> > 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > One of the good guys.  Contrary to all the other "American"
> > opponents of Stalinism, he recognised Jews were also on the
> > bad side.  He wasn't like Robert Conquest and Sakharov, etc.,
> > who took advantage of the terror to promote Judiasm.  Check
> > out the page in Gulag II where there's six pictures of Jews,
> > all evil, such as Yagoda, head of the OGPU, and Frenkel, a
> > camp chief.  Yagoda's predecessor, name starts with an M.,
> > and his successor, Yezhov, and his successor, Lavrenti Beria,
> > were Jewish.  Joseph Stalin married Jewish as his second or
> > third wife, and his airhead daughter Svetlana is half Jewish.
> > (She was cute as a kid, however.)
> 
> Hmmm. I think we all can guess which side of the "line" that this
> Vyshinsky character is on: the fruit 'n' nuts side.

Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.

> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 12:55:22 PDT 1996
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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article <090309Z26071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.
> 
> Really? ALL JEWS?! Fascinating.
>  
> And your source for this piece of idiocy is... ?

Mark Alstine, Andrew Mathis, Joel Rosenberg and Mike Beebe proved it.

> Sara
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sat Jul 27 13:00:45 PDT 1996
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, "B.C. Internet provider is the
>largest Canadian site for racist material" is alarming.
(See URL http://www.anonymizer.com/http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/wiesenthal.center/press for a copy of the article.)


Agreed.  But would you have been concerned with this if racists did not
first bring it to your attention?  Will you admit that racists share
some of your viewpoints, that racists strenthen your belief?  Why did
you say you wanted Ernst Zundel deported and/or imprisoned, when it
could only be "legally" done by application of Canadian/German laws
against free speech for politically racist speech?  Racists are more
law-abiding than the general populace, but the governments' target
racists for any suspected/trumped-up crimes;  A hard situation to
change, but laws against racist speech make it blatantly unfair to
discuss race politics freely.

>It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact that 
>the host server is Canadian - nor indeed that the server is physically 
>located in BC - which give cause for alarm.
>
>It is alarming because - either by deliberate design or by abject ignorance
>- Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he represents in
>Canada) is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich Syndrome."
>Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality - akin to the
>Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
>
>Littman is quoted as saying:
>
>        "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, 
>        the longer they fester and the more they infect others 
>        and the only way to deal with them honestly and forcefully 
>        is to expose them to the light of truth."
>
>Yet the article concludes, 
>
>        "Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups  
>        from Fairview voluntarily before the centre takes any other 
>        action."
>
>The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
>Littman has no understanding of the Internet.  One is at a loss to determine
>how removal of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in any
>way "expose them to the light of truth."

Maybe he's suggesting themes like Goldenhagen's hate book.  Don't lie,
I've read it.

>If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
>Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is 
>accessed daily by hundreds.  In addition to being a source for those who 
>seek information about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an 
>electronic resource for those who wish to "deal with [these groups] 
>honestly and forcefully" thereby exposing Lemire and many others - of 
>whom Littman may not even be aware.
>
>Nizkor is arguably the "host" to more hate literature than any other
>website.  Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others,
>will Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such
>links?

Links?!?  Nizkor is primarily Neo-Nazi by weight.  SWC should take
further "action" because of your refusal to delete the hate, that is,
if SWC wants to be logical.

>Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material
>which meticulously documents and uses the "arguments" put forward by these
>groups as instruments of their refutation and exposure?
>
>If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while engaging
>in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so.  But the martyrdom they
>hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find offensive stands in
>marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on their own website.

Why not complain about SWC and the hundreds of other Jewish organisations
that support governments' consorship of anti-semitism?

>Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
>growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to
>participate in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the
>Internet.
>
>The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
>supremacist group on the Internet.  Such groups will fester in darkness, 
>but wither in light.

Agreed.  The darkness of anti-racism is far more dangerous to the West
than white supremists.

>Kenneth McVay, OBC
>The Nizkor Project
>
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The NSGWP and the Communists cooperated all the way up to 1933.
They jointly declared transportation strikes, and rent strikes.
The NSGWP opposed the privatisation of the Reichsbahn, and the
Communists followed.  There's no reason that racists and
anti-racists can't cooperate to secure freedom of operation.
Whatever works.  As long as anti-racists put a restraint on
their hypocrisy.



































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May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rain fall soft upon your fields,
and until we meet again,
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Associated Press only pictured Jews in the San Francisco Chronicle
despite the fact that there were few Jews on board.  This is a clue
that organised Jews may be plotting to shift the blame on the
terror from them onto anti-semites.

Other clues:

National Security Council: 70% Jewish
New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Miami Herald,
Daily Oklahoman, Albuquerque Republican, Time, Newsweek, USA Today,
ABC, CBS, and NBC are all Jewish media outlets, owned or controlled.
The establishment is to blame for all crime.









































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womack@nntp.best.com writes:

It's not that we need NO nationalism, we need GOOD nationalism,
Euro-American nationalism.  Racists need our own space, man.
Jews did the bombings, Jews out of hatred, hatred of the white
race, of humanity, hatred of racism, hatred of nationalism, hatred
of the source of all creativity in the world.  Jews control the
pentagon, THAT'S why the military budget should be zero'ed.  Jews
control the world, THAT'S why we need a nation, to be free of Jews,
free of terrorism, to improve our race, where everyone can be an
individual, rather than some Jewish cog in the wheel.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:09:44 PDT 1996
Article: 53776 of alt.revisionism
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yawen@enter.net writes:

> >   an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
>   
> >  Yes you guys do, you just say you don't believe in censorship by
> >  government, buts it's a-ok for business.  Yes, business can censor,
> >  take a look at the mass media, with their cansorship by violation of
> >  the anti-trust acts.
> 
> 	Yup.  That's called "freedom of the press."  If you don't like it, start your 
> own.  That's called "freedom of the press" as well.  In the meantime don't tell 
> other people what they should or should not publish.

It seems like all Jews believe in "freedom of the press,"  that is, the
freedom of the press to violate the law against setting up or maintaining
monopolies.  It CAN be prosecuted, and should.  The Sherman Anti-Trust
Act doesn't just cover a single too large company, like AT&T in 1984 or
Microsoft now, it also covers a conglomerate of companies that act in
unison to put their competition out of business.  It's also called "unfair
trade practice."  The Joint Operating Agreement, passed in 1969, is/was
controversial because it allowed an exemption to the anti-trust law so
two newspaper companies could combine and eliminate competition in a
city.  It should be repealed, and could still be overturned by the courts.
Again, we need government to secure the rights of the people.





























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:09:47 PDT 1996
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dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:

> In article <065328Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
> >dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> > 
> >>In article <031307Z22071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
> >>>dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> >>> 
> >>>>In article <31f10eb4.1610603@news.redshift.com>, mikew@redshift.com (Sensei Buffet) writes...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Quiz: Name one non-Jew on Seinfeld.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Answer: I don't know that there are any.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Quiz: In a country with only two percent or so of the population
> >>>>    Jewish, why is this one of the highest rated shows every week with
> >>>>    20-25% of the TV sets trained on it?
> >>> 
> >>>Because our society is controlled by Jews.
> >>
> >>    Of course, how silly of me.  That explains how the Jews got Alan
> >>    Dershowitz elected president, then.
> > 
> >Politicians are controlled by Jews.  It is unnecessary for Jews to be
> >president for this to be so.
> 
>     So they control just about everything except yu and your little cadre
>     of patriots, huh?

Yes.  That's the sad truth.  Whites are extradinarily weak in the status
quo.

>     Well, in that case if I were you, I'd stock up on canned goods.  :>

Funny how you say "they," but I'll humour you.  Why not fight them?
Anti-semitic theory holds that their self-destruction is inevitable,
however, better soon than after the white race becomes extinct, so
eventually whites should be able to enjoy a nation without Jews pandering
to our weaknesses, or, rather, turning our weaknesses into strengthes,
like in the past, but living up to our potentials, without tired old
values getting in the way, such as religion sordid with idolatry.






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:09:48 PDT 1996
Article: 53805 of alt.revisionism
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ibokor@metz.une.edu.au writes:

> > Since the Jews had organized a worldwide boycott
> >of German goods in 1933 that continued up until the war started
> 
> Wasn't very effective, was it? The German economy was the
> major success story of Western economies from 1933 to 1939.
> 
> If a Jewish boycott were always that effective, then maybe
> Brazil, Mexico, etc. could offer the World Bank and IMF a
> solution to their chronic economic problems: rather than

They would have to be white governments for there to be a
"when handed lemons, make lemonade" solution to their
economic problems.

> borrowing more oney or rescheduling their debts, they'll by
> International Jewry (a wholly owned subsidiary of ZOG) to
> declare a boycott of their goods. 

Great!  I think the first racist country SHOULD be boycotted by
the rest of the world.  That'll help convince the dreamers in the
racist camp who still respect property rights and the global
economy.  Now Germany in the thirties depended on global trade,
but it wasn't cardinal, as with the previous administration, and
succeeded where the Weimer government would have failed.  A strong
national economy is desirable, however their are some resources
that have to be substituted if unavailable.  An example of a
substitute in a time of boycott, would be oil.  A nationalist
America could cut it's oil consumption in half, to deal with the
halt in oil imports, as well as deal with the excess grain that
could no longer be exported.  A solution would be to take the
crops, like corn stalks, and process it into alcohol.  Alcohol
can then be used as fuel to cleanly and efficiently supplant the
consumption of oil, process crops into something else to replace
exports, and solve polluted air problems, dealing solutions to
three problems at once, showing the virtues of patriotic
nationalism.

BTW, not all Jews support Israel.  Our government isn't ZOG, its
JOG.






























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atheist@wam.umd.edu writes:

> Jew: ChaimWeizmann was the biggest juiciest goddamn zionist in history. 
> Thanks to the power he wielded he was able to avert eyes from internal 
> affairs and make the settlement of palestine the biggest issue. I suggest 
> reading Douglas Reed's "Controversy of Zion".

Ain't seen it, but I read his biography of Otto Strasser, funny book!
If he's that clueless about Germany in 1940, I'm skeptical about
anything else he may have done would be any good.  Mr. Reed was an
actual moderate anti-semite popular then and practically extinct now.
Moderate anti-semitism and moderate racism has all either conformed
to the establisment, or been pushed into the radical side.

Elizabeth Dillings also was/is a moderate anti-semite, relatively
clueless, with extraordinarily sloppy facsimile excerts from the
Talmud.

Not to defend that scumbag Chaim Weizmann, who helped murder millions
in a capitalist war, and, of course, lied about the aims of WWI.
Herzl was an especially nasty Jew, who created Zionism with the
purported authorship of The Protocols Of The Wise Elders Of Judiasm,
laying out the ground rules for the Jewish community.

> A
> 
> On 25 Jul 1996, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> > >   jesusdung  writes:
> > 
> > >  	Bull. Jews were in power all the time. One Chaim Weizmann with 
> > >  all the backings of high finance was able to avert european eyes from 
> > >  winning WW1 to building up occupied palestine during the teens.
> > 
> > 	Are you trying to compete with Moran for writing the silliest rants?
> > 
> > 	Come clean.  This is a joke, right?
> > 
> > 	--YFE
> > 
> > 
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fox@stt.msu.edu writes:

> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) wrote:
> >dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> 
> Snip.
> 
> >>    Of course, how silly of me.  That explains how the Jews got Alan
> >>    Dershowitz elected president, then.
> >
> >Politicians are controlled by Jews.  It is unnecessary for Jews to be
> >president for this to be so.
> >
> 
> Yep.  Today the US.  Tomorrow the world.  Watch out Vyshinski, we'll get you.
> 
> Rest snipped.
> 
> Martin Fox

an659081@anon.penet.fi, fox@stt.msu.edu, Martin Fox

Watch out world conquerer, I have your anon.penet.fi ID.  When
responding to an anon.penet.fi posting, it's proper to transpose
the \a and the \n so that the response will be non-anonymous,
and, I presume, faster.  llurch@stanford.edu is the only one
who's ever resonded directly without stupidly sending it to me
by my anon.penet.fi ID.  Be grateful that I'm posting this
information, and not waiting till I have a large collection
of ignoroids who are actually trying to be anonymous.

In other words:

mail to na572010@anon.penet.fi

for non-anonymous mail.

mail to an572010@anon.penet.fi

only if you want me to recieve from your own anon.penet.fi ID.

So far, I've beem ignoring this and protecting their privacy,
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gregg@user1.channel1.com writes:

> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >jesusdung  wrote:
> >
> 
> >>Europe. Isn't it intersting how one of the most powerful Commies (jews) 
> >>in the ussr was Kazar Laganovich (what a name! Khazar!) who was HEAD OF 
> >>THE SOVIET FINANCE MINISTRY!
> 
> Just for the record:
> 
> His name was Lazar Kaganovich (man, you are something else).  And,
> where in the world did you get the idea that he was head of the
> Finance Mnistry?  Stalin, by the way, had Trotsky murdered via an
> icepick dispatched to the base of his skull.
> 
> This ridiculous notion that Jews constituted the majority of Communist
> party memebers is one of those canards that's been repeated so often
> people think it's fact.

It is.  Your only denying that they were ORTHODOX Jews, when they
were atheists, and RACIAL Jews.

> But:  read "Khruschchev Remembers", vols. I and II.  It provides an

Are those the Khruschev diaries that were proven a hoax, as fake
as the Hitler diaries, and The Testament Of Adolf Hitler?  The
USSR communist party of the fifties to the eighties, de-emphasized
the early Jewish racial leadership of the communist party in
the first half of this century, with the purpose in mind of avoiding
the connotation of communism being Jewish.  Cummunism would have been
much less popular in Asia, Africa, and the Americas, if it were
thought of as being just a Jewish movement.

> inside look at the communist party from the beginning.  Terribly
> sorry, old sod, but I think I'll take Khruschchev's narrative of what
> happened (after all, he was there) over some revisionist pinhead.
> Read -- expand your mind -- maybe then you won't be a pinhead no more!
> 
> I'll pray that your operation is a succes -- let me know when the
> steel plate comes out.

Genotypical Jewish name-calling, because they are incapable of
rebutting anti-semitic arguments.

> Gregg S.
> ]























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:09:51 PDT 1996
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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gregg@user1.channel1.com writes:

> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> >dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> >
> >>In article <31f10eb4.1610603@news.redshift.com>, mikew@redshift.com (Sensei Buffet) writes...
> >>
> >>>Quiz: Name one non-Jew on Seinfeld.
> >>
> >>    Answer: I don't know that there are any.
> >>
> >>    Quiz: In a country with only two percent or so of the population
> >>    Jewish, why is this one of the highest rated shows every week with
> >>    20-25% of the TV sets trained on it?
> >
> >Because our society is controlled by Jews.
> >
> 
> Oh, pul-eeze.  I guess this means that when it's time for Seinfeld,
> Jews go into everyone's home and turn the tv on to NBC.  Or else we
> exercise mind control over everybody.
> 
> Couldn't possibly be that the show is funny and well-written?
> 
> I suppose that Jews were responsible for Jack Benny's show being No. 1
> on radio for 20 years, and Eddie Cantor's show, and Al Jolson's show.
> And, of course, we made sure that everyone watched "You Bet Your Life"
> with Groucho Marx (No. 1 for the years it was on).  And, we also made
> sure that Phil Silvers won all those emmys for the notoriously
> un-funny Sgt. Bilko show.  And we, of course, brainwash everybody by
> making sure that you can still see on TV the Three Stooges.

Television is uniformly Jewish, with the same message of
extermination of the 600,000,000, so it matters not what
you watch, so I watch a little, if I'm not, at least, bored
of it already, for examples, the Simpsons, Beavis 'n Butthead,
and the Three Stooges.  The sillier stuff is usually less
harmful than the lies masquerading as truth, but that's just
my feeling at this time.  It's all colored, all Jewish.

> We sure are nefarious.

Your certainly are, for denying the truth to your children.

> Gregg S.
> 





































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t08o@unb.ca writes:

> Vyshinsky wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Politicians are controlled by Jews.  It is unnecessary for Jews to be
> > president for this to be so.
> 
> So answer me this.  Why has this Omnipotent Jewish Cabal allowed you
> and those like you to post your anti-semitic drivel to the Internet?
> Why has your phoneline not been disconnected, your computer not seized,
> all academic accounts  not frozen and a government order banning you from
> the net not been given to ISPs?

Could it be that big Jews collectively don't feel threatened by my
anti-semitism, could it be that Jews would suffer repercussions akin
to the Soviet Union under latter day Stalin if they attempted to
utterly censor all anti-semitism?

> Could it be because there really is no Incredible Jewish Conspiracy to
> Control Our Thoughts?  Nah, that would be the simple answer.

Jews inherently control a free market, because their genotype causes
them to focus on slaving away for their own kind, to sacrifice their
own potential freedom to make the rich Jews richer.  No other race
has the genetic bindings to cause such extremes of sacrifice for the
common wealth of their own members of the capitalist class, therefore,
to take away Jewish power, requires anti-semitism, the control of the
market, nationalism.  None other than the white race can so sacrifice
themselves for the common good of their community, the natural status
of the whites being the highest realms of their own type of
civilization, and incidental good to other races by accident or
agreement.  No other race but the white race, has the genotype to
learn from other races without despoiling our own in any way.  We put
our imprint everywhere, though colored races are uncharitable enough
to refuse to say it, that their cultures are now white with a coloured
imprint strong enough to distinguish their charactor from the white,
similar to the white mold, though we should consider ourselves to have
a white culture with a strong coloured imprint, strong enough that the
current white culture can be considered Afro-Asian for rhetorical
reasons, to distinguish from purely white racial culture.

> You can't have it two ways.  Either this all-powerful conspiracy exists
> or it doesn't.

It does.  But it's not a conspiracy, they're open about controlling
the world, they just mask it behind transparent phrases like "free
trade," "free markets," "global economy," and zillions of anti-racist
phrases such as "world unity," "we are all one people," "racism is
always wrong," "Judiasm is a safe religion," etc., as part of their
dissing of their opposition, their competitors, and opponants of
their realm of fighting.

> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca





























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atheist@wam.umd.edu writes:

> i see no further need or point in debating you jews. If you want to read 
> short work that is of my opinion then read Benson's "Zionist Factor".

Yes, you do.  You need to decide whether you believe Jews are a racial
category and/or religious category, and, if so, whether they are
compatible with the white people, white race, or white nation, and if
you are fully compatible with those who hate Jews by race.  I accept
people who are non-anti-semitic, so why can't you accept people who
hate Jews by race?  Anti-semites shouldn't interfere with each other,
except to the extent of interference with interferers.  Arguing with
Jews can help people decide where they are on the political coin.

> On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> > jesusdung  wrote:
> > 
> > >my good man take a look at Communist history. It was a Jewish creation. 
> > >Kamenev, Svirdlov, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin, Uritzky, and the rest where 
> > >all die-hard jews. Jews (actually Khazars who have accepted Talmudicism) 
> > >make up only 5% of the Russian population, yet they were 95% of the 
> > >Communist members. The Jews (COmmunists) destroy the Russian religion, 
> > >its bid for  better DEMOCRATIC government, the nationalism of the Russian 
> > >volk (volya), the arts, music, and culture and rape the nation. And 
> > >that's what they literally did (mass gang rapes) when they invaded 
> > >Europe. Isn't it intersting how one of the most powerful Commies (jews) 
> > >in the ussr was Kazar Laganovich (what a name! Khazar!) who was HEAD OF 
> > >THE SOVIET FINANCE MINISTRY! A jew in control of money yet again! Just 
> > >like the high New York financiers (jews) who financed the BOlshevik 
> > >revolution.
> > 
> > Ding-dong, you're wrong.  First of all, Lenin was NOT Jewish.
> > Second of all, Let's look at the leaders of the Soviet Union, shall
> > we?
> > Lenin (Russian)
> > Stalin (Georgian)
> > Khrushchev (Ukranian)
> > Brezhnev (Russian)
> > Andropov (Russian)
> > Chernenko (Russian)
> > Gorbachev (Russian)
> > 
> > Not a Jew among them.
> > Trotsky was the only Jew high up inthe Soviet hierarchy.  The highest
> > post he had was leader of the Red Army.  As for his Judaism, he
> > rejected it outright by stating, "I am not a Jew; I am an
> > internationalist."
> > 
> > Marx, though ethnically Jewish also (and the grandson of two Orthodox
> > rabbis) wrote violent tracts against "the Jews"and was a christened
> > Lutheran.
> > 
> > Andrew Mathis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------------------------------
> > "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
> > "Be wary of the authorities..."
> >                 Rabban Gamliel
> >                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
> > 
> > 
> > 
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fresh@panix.com writes:

> jesusdung  wrote:
> 
> >my good man take a look at Communist history. It was a Jewish creation. 
> >Kamenev, Svirdlov, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin, Uritzky, and the rest where 

By appearence or statements, I suspect Bukharin, Stalin, Khrushchev,
Molotov, Voroshilov, for examples, weren't Jewish.  Stalin was pretty
nasty, but not an anti-semite like revisionist Jews state, he married
and sired Jewish, to the blood relative of the scum Lazar Kaganovich.
But Jews were 85-90% of the hundreds of leaders of the Bolshevik party
in 1918, and Mensheviks were 100% Jewish.  The party committee members
in 1918 were 90% Jewish.

> >all die-hard jews. Jews (actually Khazars who have accepted Talmudicism) 
> >make up only 5% of the Russian population, yet they were 95% of the 

Jews were/are only 1% of the Russian Empire population in 1917.  Most
Jews were forbidden from Russia proper, before the czar eliminated that
stricture around 1900.  Jews rapidly immigrated to Moscow and St.
Petersberg, where the money and power were/are, till they were 1-3% of
the population of Russia proper.  The "Russian Jews" who immigrated to
white nations by the millions early this century, came from the eastern
provinces of the Russian empire.  There were also millions or tens of
millions of Germans in the eastern provinces, who were devastated in the
forced collectivization of agriculture and purges in the '30's.  It's
estimated that 25% of the Ukrainians died in the forced collectivization
alone.  The Germans probably died in even greater numbers, because any
of the peoples suspected of nationalism, were targeted for a greater
number of fatalities.

> >Communist members. The Jews (COmmunists) destroy the Russian religion, 
> >its bid for  better DEMOCRATIC government, the nationalism of the Russian 
> >volk (volya), the arts, music, and culture and rape the nation. And 

One of the cultural things they did, was to take peasant and national
tunes, and replace the lyrics with revolutionary phrases, like "let us
storm the barracades of production," and oh so lyrical tunes about pig
iron.

> >that's what they literally did (mass gang rapes) when they invaded 

For 1-2 years or so, and then they were ordered to stop the rapes and
drunkenness, and other indiscipline.

> >Europe. Isn't it intersting how one of the most powerful Commies (jews) 
> >in the ussr was Kazar Laganovich (what a name! Khazar!) who was HEAD OF 
> >THE SOVIET FINANCE MINISTRY! A jew in control of money yet again! Just 

Lazar Kaganovich.  And he was one of the leaders of the forced
collectivization of agriculture program, which killed tens of millions,
and the purges of '36-'38, which killed tens of millions more.

> >like the high New York financiers (jews) who financed the BOlshevik 
> >revolution.

Jacob Schiff, a Jew, financed the USSR to something like 25,000,000 in
1918 dollars, and industrialist Armand Hammer, a Jew, who immediately
started trading with the Soviets out of loyalty to the cause.

American industrialists were irreplacable, they thought, supporters
of the industrialization program in the '30's.  Henry Ford had already
officially dropped his anti-semitism in 1927, and supplied the USSR
with vehicles and parts, as did Caterpillar, and the American company
that was paid an enormous amount of American dollars to build the
worlds largest steel plant, creating the city of Magnitosgorsk, which
housed 250,000 workers, presumably including the NKVD.  Henry Ford,
however, never did fully placate the Jews, because he was once a
moderate anti-semite, and to prove this, Jews today like to state that
he helped fund the National Socialist German Workers Party before 1933
in Germany, without proof, because they are ungrateful sons of bitches.

What would American and Soviet history be like, if the Jewish media
such as the New York Times, didn't lie about what was going on in the
Soviet Union?  Perhaps the tens of millions of murders in the thirties
could have been avoided if the Jewish media did not grant their
overwhelming support for it by lying about how wonderful the forced
collectivization and purges were.

The Jews' treatment of The Soviets, in the thirties, contrasted to an
extreme with their treatment of Germany starting about March 1933.  In
Germany's case, the reaction from the Jewish media was fast and furious,
immediately leading to the global boycott by Jews and the immediate
unity of all Jews in Germany under a single organisation, which asked
for, and recieved, official state recognition, and subsidies from the
German government until 1943 under Rabbi Leo Baeck and Jewish
businessman Otto Hirsh (# Jews in Germany.)

BTW, Gulag II has excerpts from a book published by the Soviets in
1934, on how wonderfully progressive the concentration camps were.
This gem is definitely worth republishing in full, to get an idea on
how misleading Soviet Stalinist propaganda was.  All hail the hero of
the working class, Genrikh Yagoda!!!

> Ding-dong, you're wrong.  First of all, Lenin was NOT Jewish.
> Second of all, Let's look at the leaders of the Soviet Union, shall
> we?
> Lenin (Russian)

Jew.

> Stalin (Georgian)

Jewish wife.
Half Jewish children.

> Khrushchev (Ukranian)
> Brezhnev (Russian)

Jewish wife.
Half Jewish children.

> Andropov (Russian)
> Chernenko (Russian)
> Gorbachev (Russian)
> 
> Not a Jew among them.
> Trotsky was the only Jew high up inthe Soviet hierarchy.  The highest

Liar.  Why don't you name your Jewish sources on this, so we can see how
your kind lies.

Now, the partie's hundreds of leaders in 1918, and the 20 or so
committee members in 1918, were 85-90% Jewish by race.

And are you to make the claim that the absence of a purely Jewish
figurehead in the Soviet Union and America indicates that the Jewish
people were/are dispossessed in those countries?  And how could it
ever be fair for a people to be 1-3% of the population to have over
1-3% of the population's assets, or for more than 1-3% of the leaders
to be of that minority, or for ANY of that minority to ever have
leadership if it were acceptable for that population to elect their
leaders in an ethnic nationalist manner?

> post he had was leader of the Red Army.  As for his Judaism, he
> rejected it outright by stating, "I am not a Jew; I am an
> internationalist."

And you think that conflicts with Judaism?!?  Contrary to some anti-
semites, I suppose it's swell that Jews abandon Judaism, it's so
mindless, a mask for political garbage, a poor excuse for solidarity.

> Marx, though ethnically Jewish also (and the grandson of two Orthodox
> rabbis) wrote violent tracts against "the Jews"and was a christened
> Lutheran.

And he was right what he said about Jewish businessmen (#Letters,)
and wrong when he wrote about Jewish religion (#Basic Writings.)

> Andrew Mathis
> 
> 

No, it appears you left in the idiocy:

> -------------------------------------
> "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
> "Be wary of the authorities..."
>                 Rabban Gamliel
>                 Pirkei Avot 2:3































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[multi-mailed to llurch@stanford.edu, postmaster@stanford.edu, and
postmaster@c2.net]

llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
> >In article  schwartz@infinet.com writes:
> >
> >>Maybe someone should mention to Ingrid that this little crap works both
> >>ways. She may have been spammed, so are we.
> >> 
> >>Sara
> >
> >I got the same spew, and sent back a message, with a copy to the root, that 
> >I want no further email from these folks.  No big deal.  
> 
> 
> Right. It's not.
> 
> It doesn't work both ways. Neither way is acceptable. Fortunately, with
> the exceptions of Skippy, Giwer, and Marduk, whom nobody loves, nobody
> seems to be into continuing net abuse after they've been notified that
> it's wrong.

You, postmaster@c2.org, postmaster@stanford.edu and
news.admin.net-abuse.misc were notified about forged cancels by you
against others.  Did you stop since?

Your practice of posting to a lot of newsgroups with a followup-to
line for an "enemy" newsgroup, is the classic practice of trolling.
Most of the newsreaders wont see the rebuttals, and presume that
your post was unchallenged, so inspiring a rebuttal with the same
arguments that have already been made.  You've not stopped
regardless of the number of complaints.

Your practice of forging your e-mail address away from your true
e-mail address is also net abuse.  This is an obvious taking
advantage of sameer@c2.net, a net hero, the admin of your ISP,
that you are maliciously taking advantage of to avoid complaints
of your actual e-mail address, llurch@stanford.edu, whom you
work for.

Whoever "Skippy" is, she has not forged cancels since March 1996,
and has never done the other abuses you deal out in prolific
quantity.  Are you going to stop these three net abuses because
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kesha2@ix.netcom.com writes:

> Sara, lets not be naive here. The blacks help the blacks,
> the Irish
> the Irish and the jews help the jews. It happens all the

Correction:  The Black people help the Jews and the Blacks,
the Irish people help the Jews and the Blacks, The Jews
help the Jews, and the Italians help the Jews and the
Blacks.

> time and is
> perfectly normal, in it's infancy and when it's ambitions
> are not
> overwhelming. The Italian Mafia, for example, took this too
> far. And
> the jews currently are as well.

But the Italian mafia is no much in ruthlessness to the
Jewish "mafia," sometimes mislabelled the "Russian" "mafia."

>     They are not at the top of society because they are
> particularly
> intelligent but because they are particularly cunning.
>     Jewish individuals exist, as I'm sure Italian
> individuals existed,
> however, the amount of conspirators greatly outweighs the
> individuals,
> at this particular moment in history.

Only fools deny that there are geniuses in every race, in
fact, that is what makes color so threatening, the fact
that there are Black and Jewish geniuses working to
exterminate the 600,000,000.

> Janet
> 
> In 
> schwartz@infinet.com writes: 
> >
> >In article <4t6ed8$3va@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
> >kesha2@ix.netcom.com(Janet) wrote:
> >
> >> Answer me One Simple Question......
> >> 
> >> Am I wrong for stating this:
> >> 
> >> You believe that the jews, at 1% of the population, should
> >> be given as
> >> much or more influence over a society than the Christians,
> >> at 80% of
> >> the population.

She wants you to lie, to state "it doesn't matter if Jews are
in power, their safe."  And she demands that you believe it.

> >Janet:
> > 
> >As I responded to you last night in e-mail:

Why bother with e-mail?  Do it if you want, but political
arguments belong in the open ether, where they can be
challenged.  How else do you learn what the truth is,
without being challenged, so we can upgrade our beliefs?

> >Yes. You are wrong.
> > 
> >I don't believe that the Jews are entitled to any MORE or any LESS
> than
> >any individual is able to achieve.

Why don't you tell that to the big Jews who gang-up
to exploit the little Jews like yourself, which
apparantly you are incapable of, as apparantly, the
little Jews are incapable of challenging their
masters, and expect others to do it for them.  I
guess George Orwell was right, "Jews like to be
pushed around," and "Jews find the fascist form of
society ideal," you know, the "corporate state."

> >Unlike you, I don't think there is such a thing as the JEWS. We are
> all
> >individuals. There's no ZOG, no conspiracy. Just a lot of individual
> >people.
> > 
> >If I'm smarter than you and I can get a better job because I work
> harder,
> >does that mean that the JEWS are getting more than you? Not at all. It
> >means I'm smarter than you. That's all.
> > 
> >So you are wrong.
> > 
> >Sara
> >
> >-- 
> >"A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and
> female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon,
> steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any
> thing, that man or woman or the natural powers can do."
> >     Walt Whitman
> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:09:56 PDT 1996
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liar@fault.com writes:

> In article <124343Z26071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> > 
> > >     Cute, but dumb post from an anonymous racist who knows nothing from
> > >     which he speaks...
> > 
> > I wouldn't have posted any of my technical musings if I was already
> > sure about running servers!  I would have already started.
> > 
> > > In article <034303Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
> > > >dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> > > > 
> > > >>In article <4svikf$c0v@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
> (Matt  Giwer) writes...
> > > >>
> > > >>>And non-paranoid reading what I posted knows that I have never
> threatened 
> > > >>>a lawsuit and there have been many posts in that regard.  
> > > >>
> > > >>>All of the message traffic about the lawsuit had no basis in anything I 
> > > >>>said, save for the paranoid. 
> > > >>
> > > >>/begin cite
> > > >>    Subject:      class action lawsuit
> > > >>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
> > > >>    Date:         1996/07/13
> > > >>    Message-Id:   <4s7u12$31t@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
> > > >>    Organization: images incarnate
> > > >>    X-Netcom-Date: Sat Jul 13  5:33:06 AM CDT 1996
> > > >>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
> > > >>
> > > >>    Is there anyone here interested in a class action lawsuit
> against McVay
> > > >>    and Nizkor?
> > > >>
> > > >>    I will be collecting these and forwarding them to an attorney who may
> > > >>    be or may not be interested in the case depending upon the responses
> > > >>    and the documentation supporting those responses.
> > > >>
> > > >>    Please respond email.  
> > > >>/end cite
> > > >>
> > > >>/begin cite
> > > >>    Subject:      lawsuit threats
> > > >>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
> > > >>    Date:         1996/07/17
> > > >>    Message-Id:   <4sieaa$d01@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
> > > >>    Organization: images incarnate
> > > >>    X-Netcom-Date: Wed Jul 17  5:12:26 AM CDT 1996
> > > >>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
> > > >>
> > > >>    Where was the outrage when "Gord McFee" was the first to initiate that
> > > >>    threat?  Where was the ridicule?  Where were the responses that are
> > > >>    nonsense in either direction?
> > > >>
> > > >>    No where of course.  
> > > >>/end cite
> > > >>
> > > >>/begin cite
> > > >>    Subject:      in the manner of suiing
> > > >>    From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
> > > >>    Date:         1996/07/15
> > > >>    Message-Id:   <4scv9i$qm1@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>
> > > >>    Organization: images incarnate
> > > >>    X-Netcom-Date: Mon Jul 15  1:25:22 AM PDT 1996
> > > >>    Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
> > > >>
> > > >>    Also of interest is that there are six or seven contributors listed on
> > > >>    the Nizkor site.  Two of them are "co-webmasters" but certainly it is
> > > >>    possible they are contributing defamatory material making the RICO
> > > >>    conspiracy even wider and more people to be named.
> > > >>
> > > >>    They should all be named.  
> > > >>
> > > >>    The joint and several liability under RICO for treble damages
> should be
> > > >>    of interest to most any "contributor."  Of course if they can prove
> > > >>    they did not contribute to the defamation ...
> > > >>
> > > >>    But then, they were only following orders.  
> > > >>
> > > >>    But then, the only reason I am leaving Nizkor on line is to accumulate
> > > >>    evidence.  
> > > >>/end cite
> > > >>
> > > >>    Other than these you mean?
> > > >>
> > > >>    [note to other readers that in each of these cases the subject line of
> > > >>    Giwer's in initialized with the cited post.  In all three cases the
> > > >>    subject line underlines his intent.]
> > > >>
> > > >>                         daniel david mittleman 
> > >
> >>===========================================================================
> > > >>                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> > > > 
> > > >And what was the original context of these articals?  Was it sarcasm?
> > > 
> > >     No.
> > > 
> > > >This is what makes Nizkor such a lousy archiver, taking peoples posts
> > > >out of context.  Nizkor does this because of the lousy performance by
> > > >anti-racists in rebuttals to racists and opponents of the Holocaust.
> > > 
> > >     These articles were not pulled from Nizkor; they were pulled from
> > >     DejaNews.
> > 
> > What were the articles surrounding Mr. Giwers?  Were they the routine
> > name calling that Mr. Giwer now expects, and is reacting to?
> > 
> > All of you who are saying "Mattie is through," etc., were probably
> > saying that along time ago, but it wouldn't show up on Nizkor
> > because Nizkor strips context from individuals in the archive.
> > 
> > >     These articles were pulled in full; no context is lacking.
> > 
> > Context of date, place, and time of everyone *else's* articles
> > in the news spool, when those articles were current.  I don't know
> > exactly what the anti-revisionists were saying at the time.  It
> > could easily be sarcasm, Mr. Giwer responding to threats to sue
> > revisionists, for example.
> > 
> > >     Matt Giwer *could* rebut my post to show that there is other context
> > >     that is missing.  He has not responded to this post though he has
> > >     responded to posts before it and after it.
> > 
> > Someone has to get in the last word, or the threads would go on forever!
> > So Mr. Giwer should be commended for letting others close threads he
> > starts.
> > 
> > >     Therefore, there is no data to support your hateful assertion above. 
> > >     Thank you for playing.  Strike one.
> > > 
> > > >This is why I'm interesting in starting a direct connection to the
> > > >net to provide a voice to anti-racists denied by Nizkor's server.
> > > 
> > >     This sentence makes no sense (over and above your typographical
> > >     errors.)  First, Nizkor is anti-racist.  You are probably referring to
> > >     racists here.  Second, Nizkor is well known to provide greater access
> > >     to its idealogical opponents than most any other web site on the
> > >     internet.  Third, many racist and anti-racists web sites with direct
> > >     connections to the internet already exist.  So, you are wrong in your
> > >     assertions in just about every way possible.  Again, thank you for
> > >     playing.  Strike two.
> > 
> > The only one I'm aware of, though I'm not sure, is banished.com.  The
> > others all rent their space.  It's a big difference, between absurdly
> > high per-megabyte rentals, and virtually free, unlimited disc space of
> > a direct connection.
> > 
> > > >Nizkor simply leaves the racist and anti-Holocaust postings
> > > >unchallenged, providing evidence that Nizkor is Neo-Nazi.  I'm
> > > 
> > >     Interesting definition of Neo-Nazi that no one else in the world seems
> > >     to share.  Foul tip.
> > 
> > Each individual archived by Nizkor has only hir own posts and no-one elses.
> > That's taking articles out of context.  Take Les Griswold for example.
> > His files have all his opponents "commentary" deleted.  When he name-calls
> > right back, Nizkor makes it look like he initiated it, because it's taken
> > out of context.
> > 
> > > >planning on at least an ftp server, possibly read-write access to a
> > > >few newsgroups, and mirroring sites like Freedom and Nizkor, goodies
> > > >discussed on cypherpunks, for BSD, Linux or Digital Unix (I'm
> > > >dreaming,) and one dial-up. With the cheapness of disc space, it's
> > > >easy enough to provide gigs of goodies, but unfortunately subject to
> > > >the heavy cost of bandwith.  I thought I saw an ad of dedicated flat
> > > >rate 28k connection, which is better than nothing, for $99.00, much
> > > 
> > >     Anyone offering you such a rate is [1] connecting you to the internet
> > >     via their own connection and therefore you are functioning within their
> > >     own business whims.  What makes you think they won't cancel you if they
> > >     get complaints?  
> > 
> > That occured to me after posting, it would be just like a ordinary slip/ppp
> > account, each packet processed by their machines.  Not what I desired,
> > but still much easier to switch providers than line connections, like 64k.
> > 
> > > >better than any sort of 56k or 64k.  Virtual host would be great for
> > > >the high bandwith, but sucks because of their absurd price for disc
> > > >space rental, and being subject to "reasonable use" restrictions.  For
> > > >instance, eff.org had to suspend access to Phrack because their ISP
> > > >threatened to suspend their account for overuse, which doesn't
> > > >happen with dedicated flat rate connections.  
> > > 
> > >     Ha!  What makes you think this?!!!  
> > 
> > I *thought* that with a line connection installed, the connection is
> > purely hardware, so complaints about "overuse," wouldn't make any sense.
> > Am I wrong, and how?
> > 
> > >     >Abuse from anti-racists
> > > >is inevitable.  
> > > 
> > >     Finally, a true statment.  
> > > 
> > >     >With the flat-rate dedicated connection, I can sue for
> > > >denial-of-service attacks from the ISP or from users on the net
> > > >itself, for example, Morty "Death" Levi's attack on the net and his
> > > >machine gun assault on his politicaly "moderate" opponants.  I'd be
> > > >willing to be a test case, so legal aggressiveness may help the rights
> > > >of the working class.
> > > 
> > >     Strike Three!  What makes you think you have any case just because you
> > >     have flat-rate service?  This is simply a contract matter and any
> > >     reasonable ISP will give themselves an out in their contract.  You can
> > >     go after individuals who harrass you, but you can do that from any kind
> > >     of connection.  In short, you don't sound like you know what you are
> > >     talking about with regards to any of the topics you raise in this post.
> > 
> > Excuses about "overuse" wouldn't work to cancel.  And with the great expense
> > of a line account, you bet I'd shop for a decent contract and would sue if
> > they cancelled my account because they "didn't like my politics."
> > 
> > >     Enjoy your walk back to the dugout and, again, thank you for playing.
> > > 
> > >                          daniel david mittleman 
> > > ===========================================================================
> > >                      Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
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> 
> I wouldn't worry about Nizkor. There are very few who visit there, and the
> immensity of the portfolio is so large that it's not fully read. You have
> to be a really disturbed person, made neurotic by liberal feeling of low
> self-esteem, or a vicarious sufferer with down-trodden races like the Jews
> (and there are quite a few who suffer internally over the holocaust,
> because it was a terrible, terrible thing) to spend hours at Nizkor. Most
> surfers spend about 5 seconds on a page, then move on. Being on the web is
> a lot like driving past towns on the interstate at 55 MPH. There isn't
> enough time to see it all, so you start enjoying the scenery rushing by.
> In addition, the colors on Nizkor are too dull. Maybe a nice Confederate
> Flag, McVay? Watdaya say, babe? Anyway, McVay and his buddies are doing
> their thing. That's all. I believe that they are violating copyrights of
> the posters if they don't remove their posts upon request, because
> international laws require that the rights of the author, not the pirate,
> and Nizkor is a pirate, are paramont. Finally, Nizkor is doing this, not
> for instruction, but in some cases for humor, a sense of "divine justice,"
> and quite a bit of sadistic pleasure in watching squirming worms squirm.
> 
> However, another site, like Nizkor, which archived the ridiculous
> ramblings of McVay, eB, Rosenberg, and Brown would be equally offensive to
> them. It would be sadistic, divine justice, and pleasing to the egos of
> those on the other side to "expose" the "exposers" in their hypocrisy. I
> can see it now:  The Love Site--A collection of bullshit from those who
> "love to hate the haters" in a most hateful way.
> 
> Oooooh....

Well, what's wrong with the idea?  I'd enjoy the learning experience
and put it to other practical uses.  And the eB, Jeannek, Rosenberg,
Brown, baddab, Alastine, etc. deserve to have their posts archived,
I mean, crap like Dejanews does a poor job with archiving, they even
delete most of the posts with age.  People should get a good idea of
the personalities of the racist and anti-racist sides by looking at
BOTH sides in consecutive order, by date, by thread, so the context
can be fully established, and anyone can quickly verify the true
statements that anti-racists are a bunch of perverts.

Nizkor doesn't have the excuse that they want to "save disc space,"
I know that disc space is quite cheap to buy and maintain with
direct connections, and scsi and unix are quite flexible and
efficient with disc space, RAM, and the purposes it's put to, so I
can only presume that the anti-racists are censored from Nizkor for
the same reasons that Ken McVay says he is against censorship of
racists, to conceal the perverse qualities of anti-racists from
being challenged, the head in the sand attitude.  I believe that
Nizkor is exagerating about the accomplishments of their actions,
possibly to raise and disperse revenue from anti-racist suckers,
akin to The Southern Poverty Law Center or the Anti-Defamation
League.  The SPLC, for instance, is sitting on 120+ million dollars
they've collected from Jewish idiots.  In any case, I'd enjoy
learning to be an admin for the sake of learning to be an admin.
If the price ain't too high, every cent comes from my pocket that
I'd formerly used to designate for booze and drugs.































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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:
> >Not a Jew among them.
> >Trotsky was the only Jew high up inthe Soviet hierarchy.  The highest
> >post he had was leader of the Red Army.  As for his Judaism, he
> >rejected it outright by stating, "I am not a Jew; I am an
> >internationalist."

Which is no conflict with Judiasm, as Jews want global rule, not
rule over just part of the world.

> ...and Trotsky's lowest post was fleeing the Soviet Union in fear for his
> life, living in exile in Mexico for a while, and then being assassinated
> by the KGB.

And his greatest acts of Jewish power, was his assistence, as the
leader of the Red Army, in the murder of 28-30 million people (#My War,
by Adolf Hitler.)

> Stalin was no sweetheart.

Yes, Joseph Stalin was no anti-semite, even with his cute German name,
German except for the 'in.
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solveit@ix.netcom.com writes:

> In <4t9vhi$p1@news.ecn.bgu.edu> mugeb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Geoffrey E
> Brewster) writes: 
> >
> >Followup-To:
> mn.politics,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.
> olitics.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politic
> white-power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.poli
> ics.equality,alt.politics.
> >
> >References: <31F2BDE2.447C@ix.netcom.com>
> <051317Z23071996@anon.penet.fi> <4t1unh$bc9@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
> >Distribution: 
> >
> >Harry Petersen (solveit@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> >: >
> >:     This writer has analyzed the situation very deeply. Some of the
> >: fundamental problems with Whites is their inability to form "race
> >: consciousness." Every group on the face of the earth supports its
> own
> >: group, except for Whites. Why?
> >:     I would conjecture that our intelligence, part of which is being
> >: "open-minded," is our weakness. Sadly, we fail to think a step
> further:
> >: If you are "open-minded" to those who will destroy you, then you are
> >: committing genecide. In other words, "If you are nice to the cruel,
> >: then you will be cruel to the nice." 
> >:     It's takes someone with a strong-mind to see 10 moves ahead in
> >: chess. Likewise, it takes a strong-mind to see that non-Whites will
> >: destroy our culture. It's not the case that non-Whites are evil,
> they
> >: just view the world in a more "primitive" way: My group is the best
> and
> >: I will see they we "win." Paradoxically, Whites need to become a
> little
> >: more "primitive" in order to survive. 
> >:     The "women's rights" movement makes your suggestion difficult to
> >: implement. Educated White women are not interested in having
> children
> >: until their "clock" starts ticking down-- and then only one or two
> >: children at most. I don't see anyway one can change the views of
> White
> >: women-- they have been brainwashed too deeply. 
> >:     Those on this newsgroup and others must keep the faith. We do
> have
> >: options. Geographic separation of the races is probably the most
> viable
> >: one since an all-out race war is not necessary to achieve this
> outcome.
> >:     Those who support the status quo simply don't understand
> history.
> >: Never has a nation endured for more than a century or so that has
> the
> >: race-mixing to the degree we have it. Why? I believe human beings
> like
> >: to feel some joy in a community. There is little joy in this country
> >: and all the "do-gooder" talk of "let's all get along" won't change a
> >: damn thing.
> >:     I want my own country, my own race, my own people to be together
> so
> >: I can live in peace. This race bullshit brings nothing but
> dissention.
> >: One day Whites will have a country of their own, a place where they
> can
> >: have a community. This is MY DREAM! 
> >
> >--
> >Will you please clarify something for me?  Tell me what you mean by
> the 
> >"white culture."  It is my understanding that white people came here
> from 
> >Europe, a land of many cultures.  I'm sure that you would offend many 
> >French people if you lumped them in the same group as the Germans.
> >
> >Geoff Brewster
> >
> >Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body
> and 
> >mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
> >
> >--Thomas Jefferson, April 24, 1816 in a letter to Du Pont de Nemours
> >
> 
>     Dear Geoff:
> 
>             When one uses term like "culture" one is forced to be
> somewhat vague. In the context of the post, I was making reference to
> the White people in the United States. Whites have a definite 
> "culture" that includes:

The following are traditional aspects of our culture, but the
underlying instinctual motive of these practices, is Mother
Nature, evolution, preserving and improving our genotype.  Where
these values conflict with race, race should be favoured in the
future society.

> * Strong work ethic-- It is unacceptable to depend upon others for a
> long period of time. Whites who stay on welfare for long periods of
> time are called "White Trash."

The white poor need racism, and are capable of fighting for it, our
survival depends on it.

> * Strong family values-- Believe that the family  structure is the
> backbone of a strong community. Although some Whites pervert this
> meaning to abuse their children, true family values where LOVE exists
> is an important part of the White Culture.
> 
> * Adhere to the "rule of law"-- We are all equal before the law and it
> does not matter WHO we are; the law shall treat every man equally.
> 
> * Support of Free Markets-- The belief that opening a small business
> and selling your wares is part of the "freedom package." Although some
> Whites are negative and hence are "Liberals," most Whites see
> Capitalism as a positive system.

My least favorite "right."  But It's good to be willing to scrap
opposition in favour of race, so I'm prepared.  Yes, I'm a liberal,
but not a liberal or conservative.

> * Support the idea of a Constitutional Republic-- This country is
> supposed to follow the Constitution as ORGINALLY written unless change
> by a constitutional admendment. Although the courts no longer follow
> the constitution, Whites are generally ignorant of this fact, and still
> believe in the Constitutuion.

Our constitution is obsolete, America is dead, we need a new system
controlled by anti-capitalist whites.  There's nothing directly
about race in the constitution, but it's value system is Germanic
white.

> * Strong support of English as the only language to be used in public
> dealings in the country.
> 
> * Strong belief in helping members of the community in need-- If we
> could eliminate the government, most Whites would pitch in and help
> other Whites out. The great harm government has done involves making
> most people insensitive to the needs of others; after all, 55% of all
> earnings go the the government ( Federal, State, and Local)-- how much
> can one person give?

It's not the WHAT, it's the WHO.  Good government is run by good
people, bad by bad, it's as simple as that.

> *  Belief in Intellectual Freedom-- in matters of religious belief and
> philosophy this is up to each individual to decide. "Group" thinking
> can not replace what is in the heart of every man.   

My favourite, how could we create a new society without the creativity
unleashed by intellectual freedom?

>         Although I have not listed all the elements of the White
> Culture in the U.S., I hope I have given you some principles to guide
> your search for the truth.
> 
>                                 Best Wishes,
> 
>                                   Harry 






















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:09:59 PDT 1996
Article: 53867 of alt.revisionism
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The following article is a forgery and harassment of a ix.netcom.com user.
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I feel that I must apologize for my dyslexic rantings for the past few days. As 
many of you know, I am a diagnosed schizophrenic with paranoid tendencies. I 
usually take about 50 mg. of Thorazine for this. Unfortunately, my prescription 
ran out while I was busy awaiting the Women's Field Hockey Olympic Trials on 
T.V (those butch women in their short skirts drive me wild and are 
the only things that can counteract the recent paucity of my libido).

I am now back on my medication.






























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jdege@winternet.com writes:

> What everybody needs to realize is that the division of ``us'' versus ``them''
> is a relative thing.  Suppose you were to take everybody who was ``them''
> and put them away someplace you didn't have to see them.  Then all you'd
> see would be ``us'', right?
> 
> Wrong.  In this smaller and more homogenous group, there would still be
> differences, and you'd still be dividing up into ``us'' and ``them.''
> You can continue to cast out the different as long as you want and you
> will _still_ have to deal with people who are fundamentally different
> than you are.

These times are so plagued by conformity that it gets hard to
believe that people used to found movements and sacrifice
themselves based on intellectual ideas.  For instance, 65% of
the German people in the early 17th century had to die just
for the sake of establishing a competitor to the church.  Race
must be fought for, so our intellects are no longer suppressed
by color.

> Deal with it.

Racism does.  By racism the whites will be free to see our
differences.

> -- 
>     "[I]n fact, I didn't know that cats _could_ grin."
>     "They all can," said the Duchess; "and most of 'em do."
>     "I don't know of any that do," Alice said very politely, feeling quite
> pleased to have gotten into a conversation.
>     "You don't know much," said the Duchess; "and that's a fact."
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:00 PDT 1996
Article: 53874 of alt.revisionism
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dkeren@world.std.com writes:

> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
> 
> # It makes the sadist in him feel good.  
> 
> This from Matt Giwer, who:
> 
> 1) Continuously calls posters here "dumb fuck", "piece of
>    shit", "fat broad", etc.
> 
> 2) Jokes about photographs showing women being shot to death.
> 
> 3) Jokes about testimonies describing mass murder of innocent
>    people by the Nazis.
> 
> 4) Posted, if memory serves my right, that it was "good" that
>    his wife died.
> 
> 5) States that the US should have responded to the erroneous
>    attack on the USS Liberty (during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War),
>    by killing hundreds-of-thousands of Israeli civilians.
>    
> And this maniac is calling other people "sadists". Now that's
> a joke.

I found Schlindler's List interesting enough to watch, in the
similiar sense that I'm interested in watching through Beavis
'n Butthead, boring as a political or artistic statement.
Jews actively promoted the movie out of patronage, I suspect,
and most of them probably slept through it, if they watched
it at all.  I wonder how Jews feel about how they worked to
make priviliged scumbags like Steven Spielberg richer,
perhaps the same way they feel about destroying the world,
and, incidentally, themselves, nothing.  They appear to lack
the genetic ability for second thoughts.  Trevor Roper was
right, Jews act like monkeys with chainsaws, cutting away the
branch that they're perched on.  Blindly slaving away for the
ruling class seems to be their forte'.  Perhaps if anti-semites
paraded themselves as Jews, we could trick them into destroying
themselves to save humanity.  Considering that anti-semites
know more about Judaism than Jews know, it's not so far from
the truth.  There's also the matter of mass migration of racial
whites to Jews, potent destroyers of Judaism, before Judaism
destroys the world.































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:01 PDT 1996
Article: 53875 of alt.revisionism
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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca writes:

> In article <4tc013$ps4@insight.dcss.mcmaster.ca>,
> djones@insight.mcmaster.ca (David Jones) wrote:
> 
> > >The proliferation of hate crimes on the internet will put our current laws
> > >to the test, and I believe will eventually force every government to enact
> > >internet specific laws; however to have any effect at all those efforts
> > >must be cooperative between governments.
> > 
> > "proliferation"?
> 
> Yes proliferation. Crimes of all natures are starting to appear in the
> Internet, and hate crimes are among them.
> 
> > Now hold on there just one second!  Please keep in mind that there are
> > only 2 individuals with web pages who are at the center of this so-called
> > "proliferation of hate crimes" that has the BC Attorney General
> > so concerned.  One is a 20-something student in BC.  The other
> > is a 20-something fellow in Toronto.  If this amounts to a
> > "proliferation", then Canada must truly be the most "loving" nation
> > on the planet!
> 
> I was not confining my comments to BC or even Canada. The Internet is not
> confined to BC. The internet is global, and the legal issues which concern
> it are also global. That said, the proliferation of racist propaganda in
> the internet may only be confined to 2 people as you so naively believe,
> but then when Cain killed Abel murder was not epedemic.
> 
> > What utter nonsense to think that in a free country like Canada an
> > over-zealous politician is ready and willing to sacrifice the
> > free-speech rights of an entire province to battle a few
> > controversial "statements" by a couple of mixed-up youngsters!
> 
> I do not think that. What I think is that government needs to do something
> to prevent the deterioration of the internet into a ground for crime of
> all nature, including hate crimes.
> 
> > >(As an aside, a legitimate case could have been made - if the laws under
> > >which Zundel were prosecuted had not been struck - that Zundel via his
> > >hate propaganda website in California is contravening Canadian law.
> > 
> > The "false news" provision of the Criminal Code was found to be
> > unconstitutional.  End of story.
> 
> No, not end of story. There are still laws which might apply to Zundel's
> website.
> 
> > >There is also a question of how his information moves from Canada to the USA,
> > >which, I believe under existing laws, could leave Zundel open to some
> > >further criminal charges.
> > 
> > I imagine that most Canadians take some comfort in observing
> > that Zundel has felt compelled to "run and hide".  Why would any
> > Canadians even want to bother placing Zundel in the media spotlight
> > with a trial that would surely last for 2 or 3 years?
> 
> The population doesn't have a choice. It is the Crown who acts in legal
> matters, and it will be their decision to lay charges. I do not suggest
> that they are or will do so, but that it may be possible to lay a
> foundation for those charges. Not an judgement, only an observation.

I hate you.  It would be a crime not to.






















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:02 PDT 1996
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

> In article <145307Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> >In any case, this is not to learned from the Turner Diaries, as if
> >that would make a difference in the book.  It was an anti-racist
> >gang that did the bombing, not racists.
> 
> ...and you've communicated this wisdom to the police, have you,
> Mr. Vyshinsky? No? Why not?

No, why?  It's too obvious, the police are still experts at
investigations, usually.  They haven't announced that the bombing
was done by racists, so that's good evidence that the bombing was
done by anti-racists.  When racists are slandered, it's usually
anti-racists doing the slandering.  The mass media is 100% anti-
racist.  Additional evidence is Terry Nicols marrying and siring
a Philipino.  That Timothy McVeigh was close partners with Mr.
Nicols, proves that it was an anti-racist gang that at least
helped with the bombing.

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Article: 53880 of alt.revisionism
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Punishment for internet crimes should be restricted to internet prisons.























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:04 PDT 1996
Article: 53881 of alt.revisionism
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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca writes:

> In article <4tcirs$ml5@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, llurch@stanford.edu
> wrote:
> 
> > >Yes proliferation. Crimes of all natures are starting to appear in the
> > >Internet, and hate crimes are among them.
> > 
> > So let's deal with Internet crime the same way we deal with all crime --
> > on a content-neutral basis, with police involvement only where there is
> > probable cause that a real crime has occurred. Opinions are not crimes.
> 
> I would like to agree with you, but the problem is that with the Internet
> it isn't always possible to do this. The Internet exists in multiple
> jurisdictions at once, and what is a crime in one jurisdiction isn't
> always a crime in another. To assume that the laws we currently live under
> are sufficient I believe is wrong.

The internet itself, is technically illegal in Germany and Canada
because it's a conspiracy by racists to distribute Neo-Nazi
propaganda.  You should be arrested, deported and imprisoned
yourself, for having Neo-Nazi IP packets in your possession,
however brief.  Deleted and overwritten files and swap files can
also be recovered for prosecution with sophisticated techniques
of data recovery involving magnetic analysis, for the evidence
needed to convict you.

> > >> What utter nonsense to think that in a free country like Canada an
> > >> over-zealous politician is ready and willing to sacrifice the
> > >> free-speech rights of an entire province to battle a few
> > >> controversial "statements" by a couple of mixed-up youngsters!
> > >
> > >I do not think that. What I think is that government needs to do something
> > >to prevent the deterioration of the internet into a ground for crime of
> > >all nature, including hate crimes.

The internet itself, is technically illegal in Germany and Canada
because it's a conspiracy by racists to distribute Neo-Nazi
propaganda.  You should be arrested, deported and imprisoned
yourself, for having Neo-Nazi IP packets in your possession,
however brief.  Deleted and overwritten files and swap files can
also be recovered for prosecution with sophisticated techniques
of data recovery involving magnetic analysis, for the evidence
needed to convict you.

> > What do you think the government can do? Please constrain your answer to
> > solutions that are consistent with the constitution, legal precedent,
> > international standards of human rights and academic freedom, equal
> > protection, due process, and reality.
> 
> I don't profess to have the answers, but I do recognize a problem. The
> only solution I can see is a series of international accords and
> agreements with respect to the Internet and the prosecution of criminal
> offences which occur thereon. What do you suggest, that the Internet
> allowed to become pure anarchy where no laws are enforced ? The
> constitution has no precedence on the internet because it is an
> INTERNATIONAL medium. As I have said before, what is legal where you live
> may not be where I live, but per US legal precedent, legal authorities in
> my jurisdiction COULD arrest you for doing something on the internet which
> is legal in your jurisdiction. Hardly fair to you because you thought it
> WAS legal, but according to US legal precedent, tough. That's the problem
> - nobody seems to recognize the internationality of the medium, and the
> result that is likely to follow - everybody on the Internet will be held
> to the lowest common denominator, or the most restrictive laws on the
> world. Hardly 'constitutional' is it ?

The internet itself, is technically illegal in Germany and Canada
because it's a conspiracy by racists to distribute Neo-Nazi
propaganda.  You should be arrested, deported and imprisoned
yourself, for having Neo-Nazi IP packets in your possession,
however brief.  Deleted and overwritten files and swap files can
also be recovered for prosecution with sophisticated techniques
of data recovery involving magnetic analysis, for the evidence
needed to convict you.

> > >> The "false news" provision of the Criminal Code was found to be
> > >> unconstitutional.  End of story.
> > >
> > >No, not end of story. There are still laws which might apply to Zundel's
> > >website.

The internet itself, is technically illegal in Germany and Canada
because it's a conspiracy by racists to distribute Neo-Nazi
propaganda.  You should be arrested, deported and imprisoned
yourself, for having Neo-Nazi IP packets in your possession,
however brief.  Deleted and overwritten files and swap files can
also be recovered for prosecution with sophisticated techniques
of data recovery involving magnetic analysis, for the evidence
needed to convict you.

> > Yes; personal defamation and libel, if they can be proven in a *civil*
> > suit. In a civil suit, the government provides only the courtroom and the
> > judge. It is not the government's job to define truth.
> 
> Bzzt. Wrong. Criminal charges as well. s.319 of the Criminal Code of
> Canada might still apply. I do not claim that it does ot that it will,
> only that a case could be made.

Most states in the United States have criminal penalties in the state
codes, but none of them have been used in decades.  Civil liability
for libel was also weakened by the courts, exchanging "gross malice,"
for "malice," as a standard for civil suits, at least for "public"
people, whatever the courts say that is.  Jews were responsible for
weakening the libel enforcement, to protect the media monopoly from
being sued to death by their constant libels of racists.  Still there
are outrageously unfair libel suits, such as a small newspaper that
suffered a $30,000.00 judgement merely because one of it's critics
was judged by a jury to have libelously reviewed an Asian restaurant's
pancakes as too thick, in San Mateo, California, several years back.
The critic was probably white, an underdog.  I forgot whether the
newspaper and/or critic paid the judgement.
































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:05 PDT 1996
Article: 53885 of alt.revisionism
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liar@fault.com writes:

Oh, copyright laws deserve to be broken, the free market sucks.

I don't think Nizkor violates copyright laws by archiving posts,
the only laws that are possibly violable by doing that, would be
libel, or if the original post were illegal.  Posting to netnews
is a purty good sign that it's not copyrighted, after all, every
post on usenet is copied to thousands of machines.  The web, OTOH,
doesn't have the clear connotation that that anybody may
redistribute the files.  If the original post were legal, I'd
expect courts to exonerate archiving and redistributing, but with
the web, I'd expect many courts to say it's a copyright violation
to redistribute.

That's why I think people who are censored, and don't care about
protecting their copyright, should post their material directly
to usenet, to give the clear connotation to archivers, the web
doesn't do that.  However, with the new-fangled copyright law,
I'm not sure if failure to complain about a violation of
of the copyright law, causes material to pass into the public
domain, like it used to before 1988 in the USA.

BTW, if this is Mr. Weltner, how about writing more articles
encouraging a higher white birthrate like your excellent post
a few weeks ago?  I can't find it on www.Dejanews.com.


































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:06 PDT 1996
Article: 53887 of alt.revisionism
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Jews write:

> 	Goosestepping nazi women in leather. gelatinous masses of flesh,
> 	S&M, the whips, the rifle butts, the dogs at the genitals.

Why do Jews phantasize about the Holocaust?  Is it because of their
genotypical incapacity to have good sex?  Is their jealousy of the
carefree good-looking sexually sastified Aryans arise from this?
I insist this is the origin of Jews notorious perversion.  Before
they were "Jews," they practiced penis cults and selected marriage
partners on this basis.  This caused slow but sure perversion to
evolve into the Jewish race.  When they became Jews, they
continued this practice in other formats, continually becoming more
perverse with every generation, untill today, when Jews are either
impotent, perverse, or both.  Asians are also notorius for
perversion.


























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:07 PDT 1996
Article: 53890 of alt.revisionism
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> In article  anonymous responds to
> anonymous: 
> 
> >The internet is heavily youth centered, and young people are notoriously
> >and wonderfully idealistic. However, after they work and slave to buy a
> >nice house, and they see blacks move in whose behavior does not help their
> >investment or their happiness in living there anymore, because maybe their
> >child has been told to either join the Crips or he will be knifed to
> >death, and that happens alot in white neighborhoods when gang members move

That only happens to white people with black children because,
contrary to what the media monopoly tells you, the media monopoly
being 100% anti-racist, the Crips and Bloods are all Black.

> >in, who can call this white person a "hate monger" or "racist" for
> >rejecting the company of absurdly inappropriate and evil people?

The entire media monopoly will say so, in the United States, Canada
the UK and Germany, being 100% anti-racist, to whites who claim
Black people shouldn't integrate with White people.

> Oh, anybody could, and they'd have the right to say that, and to organize
> sit-ins and boycotts against you (just as you have the right to organize
> boycotts of nonwhite businesses). But they shouldn't be able to mobilize

No, it's illegal here, Canada and Germany to organize boycotts
of colored businessess, no matter how justified.

> the power of the state against you just for expressing an opinion.
> 
> And, currently, they can't.

No, it's illegal here, Canada and Germany to organize boycotts
of colored businessess, no matter how justified.

> If you act out on your opinions in certain ways, though, then the legal
> system steps in. But the number of such legal cases is insignificant, and
> on the networks, zero. 

Without eternal vigilance, it will happen here.





























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Article: 53892 of alt.revisionism
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lsinger@netcom.com writes:

> Vyshinsky (an572010@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
> 
> : Jews are hard at work exploiting East Europeans, my brothers.  We're
> : going to get the west that has been enslaved by Afro-Asians. 
> 
> who's "we"? afro-asians; that's an exact description of the anscestry
> of europeans, east, west and north. in fact, what do you think "europe"
> is, other than northeast asia? there is no "european continent" outside
> of fantasy. 

The European race, whites, are different from the Asian race, are
different from the African race.  Blacks, Mongoloids, and Whites,
are different genotypes producing different worlds.  Jews are Asian
with some having a little black in their genotype.

> - singer + 
>      The root of all evil is ignorance and false belief.
>                               --- the Buddha ---            

Thanks for your revisionist supposition that Buddha was racist.

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:08 PDT 1996
Article: 53893 of alt.revisionism
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> schwartz@infinet.com writes:
> >It's also interesting to note that many of the articles snipped from below
> >were e-mailed to me yesterday unsolicited.
> > 
> >I was NOT on Ingrid's mailing list. What made me so lucky as to receive
> >that crap?
> 
> Because you have a Jewish-sounding name and you've posted to
> alt.revisionism? 
> 
> I'm sure Duncan will condem this invasion of your personal sspace
> immediately. I really don't think it's a big deal, though. Just ask him to
> unsubscribe you, and leave it at that. If you don't raise your voice, he
> won't, either.
> 
> Has anybody else not on the ZGram list heard from the NSWPP recently?

Is the NSWPP even a real organization?  Your Z post mentioned the
American Nazi Party, which was/is run by Jews.  Is the NSWPP also
a fake, perhaps concocted by anti-racists, who've been active in
forming fake racist organizations, here, in Canada, and Germany?



























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Article: 53900 of alt.revisionism
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July 25, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

This one is absolutely delicious!

Remember how I told "Murungu" only yesterday that Revisionism was making
great strides, as judged by enemy retaliation tactics?

["Murungu" is a genius, check Stormfront for proof  -- the honourable Vyshinsky]

Well,  I have further proof.

For those not yet familiar with some of the basics of Revisionism, it helps
to understand that THE most critical document that has come out of the
movement-bar none!-is called the Leuchter Report.

The Leuchter Report came out of a highly dramatic secret expedition in the
middle of the Second Great Holocaust Trial in 1988 in Toronto where the
Holocaust Lobby, working through the government while helping themselves to
tax payer money, had put Ernst on trial for "spreading false news."

Forced to defend himself, Ernst scratched together his last pennies and
sent America's # 1 specialist in execution equipment, Fred Leuchter, to
Auschwitz to examine the alleged mass killing facilities there and
determine scientifically if they could have been used for genocidal
gassings on an industrial scale.

This is important to remember:  Ernst Z|ndel was the first man EVER in
almost fifty years who said:  "It's well and good to CLAIM the Holocaust
occurred.  But where is the scientific evidence?  Let's check the alleged
murder weapon, the "gas chamber", once and for all.  Let's see if there's a
smoking gun."

The outcome was the first forensic report EVER undertaken in the history of
the so-called Holocaust.  Fred Leuchter stated that the Holocaust, as sold
to the gullible public, was a scientific absurdity.   Since then, there
have been three more such reports, essentially confirming what Leuchter
found eight years ago.

Ever since, the Holocaust Hucksters have struggled mightily to keep the
Leuchter Report away from a distrustful public getting ever more skittish
about unsubstantiated Holocaust claims.  In vain.  Overnight, it took on a
life of its own.  It has been translated into 12 languages and sold in 18
countries.  By now, it must have sold in the million, and if Ernst had seen
fit to enforce the copyright - which he did not, for Truth to Ernst is gold
while money is merely paper - he would be a very rich man.

I guess Ernst's enemies have now decided that since there is no way on
earth to keep the Leuchter Report under wraps-the cat is now out of the
bag!-they might as well confront its findings.

Here is how that was done, as reported from the merry headquarters of the
Institute for Historical Review, the hub for Revisionist scholarship:

". . . Who says Holocaust revisionism isn't making progress? Today we
received in the mail a photocopy of a 20-page pamphlet entitled, "Holocaust
Revisionism," put out by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management
Institute, apparently part of the Department of Defense, dated June 1996.

This pamphlet appears to have been written either in whole or in part by
Captain Carlos C. Huerta, an orthodox Jewish chaplain.

The errors (lies?) contained in this pamphlet would require an article-
length piece to correct, but it is interesting to note that the stated
reason why the DoD should be interested in teaching soldiers about
Holocaust revisionism is because, 'A successful fighting force is a
cohesive one, one where all members have respect for each other's diversity
and dignity. Holocaust revisionism has the potential to destroy that
respect.'

If you wonder how an organization as small as the IHR has the potential to
destroy the fighting effectiveness of today's armed forces, the pamphlet
tells us that it is because the IHR has a 'major source of revenue' in the
form of the pamphlet 'Inside the Auschwitz Gas Chambers,' by Fred Leuchter
. . .

The DoD pamphlet's author claims that "one in five Americans believe it is
possible that the Holocaust may not have happened," and (apparently because
of these large numbers) despairs of the difficulty in demonstrating the
necessity of teaching about Holocaust revisionism to "someone not
knowledgeable in the scope, volume, and effect of Holocaust revisionism
today. . . "

Re-read that again.  ". . . one in five".  ". . . the scope, volume and
effect of Holocaust revisionism today."

Have sweeter words been spoken lately?

Imagine the Department of the Defense of the United States of America
having to be warned rabbinically to watch out for Fred Leuchter?

Those wishing to obtain a copy of this pamphlet are directed to the US
Government Printing Office, document 1996 - 733-007/44407.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Never answer a critic, unless he's right."

(Bernard Baruch)

[Bernard Baruch was one of the rulers of this world, he was Jewish,
so his most likely practice was never answer a critic, ESPECIALLY
if he's right.  --the honourable Vyshinsky]
































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:10 PDT 1996
Article: 53902 of alt.revisionism
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jamie@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

Matt Giwer is the most popular poster on alt.revisionism.  He works
very hard at conteracting the notorious lies on the group.  He's a
net hero!  He clearly needs his own group specifically for his fans.
If news admins agree, please Control: newgroup alt.fan.matt-giwer
to celebrate his much admired work.

>Evidence of his popularity for July 22nd and 23rd:
>
>  Total number of articles posted: 701
>
>         Articles from Matt Giwer: 109 (15.5%)
>        Articles mentioning Giwer: 187 (26.7%)
>
>      Articles per day from Giwer: 54.5
>Articles per day mentioning Giwer: 93.5

There is clearly enough interest and volume in
alt.revisionism to newgroup alt.fan.matt-giwer

..
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:11 PDT 1996
Article: 53911 of alt.revisionism
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> an572010@anon.penet.fi writes:
> >llurch@stanford.edu writes:
> >
> >>freedom@netcom.ca (Marc Lemire) writes:
> >>>>For a complete archive of Lemire's postings for the last two years and
> >>>>lots, lots more from lots of different perspectives, start exploring at:
> >>
> >> [snipped URL http://www.anonymizer.com/ftp://www.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/l/lemire.marc]
> 
> Lord Vyshinsky, if you insist on doing that, do it right. The correct URL is
> http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://www.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/l/lemire.marc
>                          ^^^^^
> If you go through the default port 80, you just get the headers. Yeah,
> maybe that should get fixed, but it's a free service, after all.

Well, port 80 works sometimes, so I was blaming other things before
trying that out.  Port 8080 is more reliable.

> >>Background for this message: I had proposed to Zundel (by way of his
> >>ghostwriter Ingrid Rimland, ezundel@cts.com) that I mirror his web site,
> >>which had temporarily been blocked by a German ISP, because I found (and
> >>still find)  international censorship more scary than a pathetic bunch of
> >>retread Nazis. Ingrid replied that she did not know how to transfer files
> >>from the web site that she supposedly manages to my machine, so she asked
> >>her more technically inclined colleague (and lying son of a bitch) Marc
> >>Lemire to do it. 
> >
> >Your record as a cybersleuth is not great.  Even worse as a free speech
> >advocate.  Hypocritical!  So you nearly lost your job simply by posting
> >anti-semitic material? 
> 
> No. Declan tried to spread that rumor, and I quashed it. There is no truth
> to his report that the Wiesenthal Center protested the mirror sites. As
> you know, they weren't behind the Zundelblocking; in fact, they condemned
> it. 

"I am against censorship, so much that I mirrored Zundelsite just
to show it, even though I am completely against the things he said,
and nearly lost my job because of it."

You e-mailed that to cypherpunks@toad.com, in your own type, not Declan.

> >>Message-Id: <199601292012.PAA04388@freeside.echo-on.net>
> >>X-Sender: cpn@echo-on.net (Unverified)
> >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4
> >>Mime-Version: 1.0
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:14:00 -0500
> >>To: llurch@networking.stanford.edu
> >>From: freedom@pathcom.com (Marc Lemire)
> >>Subject: Ernst Zundel
> >>
> >>Hello my name is Marc and I am writing you on behalf of Ernst Zundel.
> >>
> >>
> >>I am wondering if this is the address (llurch@networking.stanford.edu) where
> >>I can send the commpressed Web site documents to as a 'save attached'
> >>message to?
> >>
> >>And if you had an FTP site where I could instead of sending them to you,
> >>could put them.
> >>
> >>FTP is much easier and faster.
> >
> >No it isn't.  If pathcom.com is a decent ISP to begin with, it's easy to
> >recursively zip up all the files, uuencode the zip file, and mail the 
> >several meg file as a single mail message.
> 
> Except he doesn't use a shell account.
> 
> >> boycott fadetoblack! http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm
> >
> >Win95 sucks for networking!  Get BSD!

You want to boycott fadetoblack just because they don't like Microsoft?

> Actually, they use Linux.
> 
> Nizkor does a little of each.
> 
> -rich
>  [blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
>  censor the internet! http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
>  boycott fadetoblack! http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:11 PDT 1996
Article: 53922 of alt.revisionism
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yawen@enter.net writes:

> >   an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> 
>   
> >  Jews own the financial world, the media, and the ultimate in the
> >  Jewish genotype, the financial media.  This justifies racism.
> 
> 	This justifies normal people buying very secure locks for their doors.

Agreed, we need security against Jews, however, it's not possible
to remain inside, resources are needed, as if this were a healthy
way of life in any case.  Risks are worth taking, such as leaving
and being burglarised by Jews.  Live and learn.






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:12 PDT 1996
Article: 53926 of alt.revisionism
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[Complaints to:]
[]
[llurch@stanford.edu]
[]
[Neo-Nazism:]
[]
[http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/]
[]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

July 27, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I am very conscious of recording history with my ZGrams because the
movement is so new and raw.  For this reason, sometimes I send you
information that you might get from other sources, just to hold things
sequentially and to show how the True World Order is spreading globally.

Below is an interview that Ernst gave about a week ago to Australia's
largest Internet Magazine, Internet Australia.  I am bringing it here for
your perusal and edification.

Question:   As you explain, your site has been subjected to various
attempts at censorship. Please outline the main challenges that the
Zundelsite has faced.

Ernst Zundel:  Pressure was brought against our first server in California,
which led to the abrupt cancellation of our website.  The pressure came
>from  the two largest customers, both Jewish, who threatened the server that
they would yank their accounts if he did not kick us off immediately.  Of
course this would never do in a grocery store!

We had told these people exactly who we were and had been assured by this
server company that they would never cancel anyone due to content.  The
company did not live up to that promise.  We were notified by phone call
five minutes before they pulled the plug on us.  We were not even allowed
to put up a link to tell our readers where they could find us or why we had
been terminated.

Our current server came under heavy pressure in January of this year right
after we announced an electronic debate with a politically antagonistic
website, Nizkor.  Censorship was almost instantaneous.  At first, the story
that played in the traditional world media was that Compuserve was
canceling news groups because of "concerns over pornography,"  and hints
were dropped that websites would be next.  Very quickly it became evident
that the target was the Revisionist Zundelsite and that the censorship
strategies came right out of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

We have been told informally that Telekom in Germany blocked 1500 customer
sites at Web Communications solely in order to prevent German people from
accessing the Zundelsite, which contains material relating to the Holocaust
forbidden to be researched and debated in Germany.  Very quickly, things
became extremely uncomfortable for this new server as well.  So far, he has
stood firm against all pressure and even defied the German Telekom ban.

Question:   Various sources have mentioned Canada's anti-hate speech' laws.
How does this affect the Zundelsite? Would it make the contents illegal?

Ernst Zundel:  We do not publish material that is hateful or
illegal-certainly not in Canada.  We are engaged in a  legal and determined
quest of researching and reporting truthful history as we find it.

The most troublesome problems for us have come not from official sources
but from the Internet terrorists, some of whom seem to be at it full
time-anonymous people who have repeatedly tried to sabotage us by
destroying our e-mail, copying and then altering it, redirecting it,
quoting our material out of context, sending us megabytes of garbage and,
worst of all, sending out press releases and news group posts using my name
in various altered forms with nasty comments and distorted messages, some
of them semi-pornographic.  The idea is  to demonize me and make me look
like  both a fool and fiend.  This is a traditional tactic and was employed
against me many times in the print media in the past 30 years.

[You, are, of course, referring to the notorious dead-agenting tactics]
[used against racists for decades, enabled by the African/Asian media]
[monopoly, to suppress the truth.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

Question:   The issue of trying to censor an online medium with local laws
is somewhat difficult, as opponents of the CDA (Community Decency Act) in

[The CDA, by the way, would have inevitably been applied against]
[racism, as racism, is indecent.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

the USA pointed out. Does this also make it difficult for Canada's laws to
suppress the Zundelsite? How about your overseas mirrors?

Ernst Zundel:  The spontaneous mirroring was a resounding success.  It
taught the world that there were technically competent censorship busters
out there who would not tolerate special interests to dictate what could be
posted on the Net.  No one with a mirror site anywhere was criminally
charged.

We will know in a few weeks what the Canadian system has to say about this
latest attempt at censorship of the Internet, especially the Zundelsite,
because I face a defamation suit in civil court, which will be a back-door
attempt at censorship and intimidation by using private parties who see
themselves aggrieved.

[Please explain.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

As of today, I have not been criminally charged in Canada for anything
posted on my website, because I try very hard to comply with Canadian laws,
even though my website is in the USA.  I only located the site there to
avoid hassles, not to contravene Canadian laws.  So far, I was proven
correct in this move.  I expect at least an attempt at an interlocutory
decree to prevent me from running my website.

Question:   The operator of Nizkor claims at his site to be opposed to
online censorship laws, and says that he prefers to debate you in the open.
Do you share this view? Do you believe that Nizkor has a right to express
themselves too?

Certainly.  I am in favor of Nizkor or anyone else having the right to
present their version of how they perceive history-be it the so-called
"Holocaust," politically incorrect ideas in general, National Socialism in
particular etc.  etc.

I only want that same right to present my viewpoint fairly, reasonably and
honestly, not under constant threat of criminal prosecution.  I do
sometimes wish Nizkor would not be so abusive-insinuating motives which
simply are not there but seem merely to mirror their own paranoia.

Question:   Nizkor also claim that debating each other on the Web is like
shifting icebergs. Would you ever debate McVay in a more immediate forum
such as Usenet or IRC?

[Debates on IRC would be cool.  How about it folks?  It's in the]
[anti-racist ballpark, because anti-racists will not consent to fair]
[chan-ops who are racist, and anti-racists would invariably abuse]
[their chan-op power.  Some sort of content neutral bot should be]
[setup that all can agree with, after all, if the bot is abused, a]
[new channel and bot could be setup.  Someone should setup a public]
[IRC server, that is willing to run useful bots with the source code]
[publicly available.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

Ernst Zundel:  I am amazed they still mention "debate".  They have
vehemently denounced the term and claim that a "debate" was our own
invention.  They claim they merely want to "link," so we will let them
link.

I will debate McVay  in person  anywhere anytime in public.  I would like
for McVay to submit in person to an interview on one of my radio or TV
shows about his version of the Holocaust.  I will gladly appear with him on
other people's radio or TV shows to debate him in a civilized fashion.  I
will debate him on a university campus or in any other respectable public
forum.  I am not afraid of debate and would welcome a debate.  I have asked
for a debate on the Holocaust for two decades.

Debate McVay or other Nizkor folks on Usenet or IRC?  No.  The issues
before us are complex and serious and do not lend themselves to conduct
such as Jamie McCarthy once described as a "party" where people might run
around having fun  "with lampshades on their heads."

[That's what TV shows are like!]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

Millions of peoples' lives or their deaths are the issue here.  People were
hanged for "crimes" that were apparently never committed.  For people who
went through the war as I did as a child, Revisionism is very serious
business.  It's not a spitting contest.  The newsgroups are unpleasant
places  where people are basically shouted down, character-assassinated,
vilified and libeled-with little real "debating" taking place.

[It's not all the Holocauster's fault, of course, and usenet]
[is a fairer medium than the moderated censored garbage like]
[the media monopoly's filth.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

Question:   Some political groups seem to do nothing more than preach to
the converted. Does the Zundelsite really convince people to support you?

Ernst Zundel:  Absolutely.  You see, for the first time in 50+ years' worth
of post-war vilification of the German people and nation, it is possible
for many people to get to read and to reflect on an alternate point of view
about Germany's role in recent history.  The Z=FCndelsite was conceived as a
convenient means for total newcomers to find out about our way of thinking.
Ordinary mail is sometimes considered intrusive.  People might resent
receiving a newsletter, tape or booklet with unfamiliar political content.
The Z=FCndelsite functions like a library.  The public can inform themselves
at their own choice and leisure.  The "shelves" are there;  people can
choose to look at material or by-pass it if it offends them.  This is still
virgin territory, historically speaking.  Especially young people are
amazed that we are not a bunch of low-brow skinheads shouting racial

[What's wrong with low-brow poor white people?  The working class,]
[you know, is vital to the national renewal of the white race.]
[Any anger at them, should be redirected to color.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

slogans but rational people who offer a respectably body of very serious
forensic, historical and scientific research and evidence that calls into
question the traditional dogma of the Holocaust and related subjects.  The
Net is an efficient tool to get our viewpoint looked at or heard.  We
expose Revisionism to people we could not reach in any other way.  A
website is extremely economical.  We save literally thousands of dollars
per month while getting in touch with thousands of mainly young people the
world over - youngsters of good mental caliber.  Various sources have
claimed that as many as half of standard Internet users are young,
well-educated, upwardly mobile -  in other words, potential future leaders.

[A lot of little conservative lazy ugly wealthy punks, so that]
[explains it.  People forget how cheap the minimal eqiupment needs]
[to be to operate an internet account.  It would encourage the]
[poor to step in.  I've spent a lot of time on a computer that's]
[essentially free, considering the market value.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

Question:   I would expect that you receive a lot of abusive feedback. How
do you deal with the flames? Do you reply to everyone?

Ernst Zundel:  You could not be more wrong.  When we first started posting
our version of history on the Z=FCndelsite, we received four hate mail
letters for every letter that was positive.  Now this is totally reversed.

Almost all our mail is positive;  a lot of it is actually emotional and
often out-and-out ecstatic. We are amazed at the thoughtful, serious
inquiries we constantly receive from university students and scholars from
as far away as Malaysia and South Africa.  Very serious Revisionist
research is now going on all over the world-research that can be grounded,
backed, bolstered and double-checked from documents downloaded from our
website.

The occasional hate mail letter is rare and usually contains some choice
language with little content or rationale.  We don't reply to hate mail and
to spams.  It is a waste of time.

Question:   Is the effort to regulate the flow of pornography on the Net
analogous to the distribution of political material? What is common to the
debate? Do you believe that the CDA (Community Decency Act) had an agenda
to work against more than just pornography?

Ernst Zundel:  The answer is yes.  You hit the nail right on the head.  The
fight against pornography has always been the cloak the tyrant likes to
wear.  There is NO common dimension to our Revisionist material and
pornography.

The ploy is very old, however.  Traditionally, the enemies of freedom the
world over have always lumped "hate literature" as they like to call it - I
guess because they hate the truth that it contains! - and pornography
together.  In various police departments and customs offices in Canada we
have so-called "Hate Literature and Pornography" sections to fix in
people's minds the notion that the two terms are equally dirty - and
interchangeable.

The pairing of the terms is not coincidence.  The claim that children will
be hurt is not coincidence.  It rouses the emotions.  A psychological
warfare technique is employed.  The CDA (Community Decency Act) was rammed
through US Congress in ways a similar law was never forced down people's
throats regarding other media such as radio, TV or print.  The enemies of
freedom knew all too well what they were doing when rousing the
fundamentalist spirit.  The censors traditionally like to enlist "decent
people" as dupes in their censorship games.

[Yes, the American media monopoly labels anti-Holocaust literature]
[as conspiratorial or political pornography.]
[-- The honourable Vyshinsky]

Question:   What is your attitude to the spamming efforts of Dan Gannon?

Ernst Zundel:  I am not in direct touch with Dan Gannon and did not even
know that he was spamming.  Having been on the receiving end of spams,
however, I would be the last person to advocate spamming.  It is a childish
act.

Question:   Are there any other comments or observations that you would
like to add?

Ernst Zundel:  Just this.  Come see for yourself.  Make up your own mind.
Don't take somebody else's word for what we say and do. . . "

End of interview.  Go have yourself a happy weekend.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Our law teaches us that the wealth of the future will be according to the
measure of the sacrifices of the past."

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jdulaney@nntp.best.com writes:

> 		"VOTE SCAM: THE STEALING OF AMERICA"
> 		------------------------------------
> 		by Jim Collier
> 
> 	This book PROVES we have long ago been living in a ONE WORLD
> GOVERNMENT.
> 	If our votes mattered it would be "an end of conservative talk
> radio" as all issues would be resolved once we got the corrupt One
> Worlders out.

Most conservatives support replacing the American nation with a
world government.  Re: most of the leaders of the Republican party,
and the Democratic Leadership Conference, a conservative segment of
the Democratic party, a prominent member being William Clinton.

> 	The author says PAT BUCHANAN WON!
> 			-----------------

Mr. Buchanan is a prominent exception, however he did not win
because of the influence of unpatriotic Republican leaders.

> 	The sheeple Must AWAKE!
> 
> 	1-900-666-1984 for Jim's book ($10) and/or tape ($20 - $30 for
> both).
> 	Barnes and Noble refuses to carry the book but due to public

Barnes and Noble sucks.

> demand some individual store owners are ordering it.
> 	You can get it from the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY as well.
> 
> 	PAPER BALLOTS ONLY SOLUTION!
> 	----------------------------
> 	
> 	Precinct Captains TAKE our votes HOME!
> 	Since 1971 our votes have gone through controlled computers with
> NO way of independent verification of validity.

We need to force recounts of every election since there is no way
at present to prove the reliability of the computers.  The National
Security Agency has arrogated the right to oversee elections, a bad
sign, as the NSA has an abysmally unpatriotic leadership.

> 	To get Jim on your radio or other venue he asks only air fair and
> hotel cost. Call his publisher VICTORIA HOUSE PRESS 1-976-666-1984 to get
> him. Jim Harder's radio show was threatened with massive suits if they had
> him on again, no media will review or list his book, his words, if untrue,
> would amount to libel but no one will sue him directly.

If the censorship is this bad, he should explicitly transfer
copyright to the public domain, and then, post the entire book
to usenet, so the world can see what the media monopoly doesn't
want us to know.  Are the newsreaders going to call your bluff?

> 	Precinct captains resign when confronted with evidence they have
> defrauded voters but no media reports it.

A famous case is when illegal aliens were used to win the
election of Lyndon Johnson to the presidency, with all
investigations into the organised crime quashed.

> 							 --- John
> 							   
> For a Cutting Edge, Hard-Right Political WEB PAGE:
> http://www.best.com/~jdulaney/politics.html
> 
> "There is not Evil, only proof of Evil -
> 				        --- John Dulaney
> 
> "All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is
> violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
> 					--- Arthur Schopenhauer





































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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> llurch@stanford.edu (E. Zundel Repost) writes:
>
> >July 26, 1996
> >
> >Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
> >
> >A friend called and said she had read somewhere that the Simon Wiesenthal
> >Center has now identified 250 website to be characterized and targeted as
> >"hate pages."  Of course we call them Truth in History Pages - at least the
> >ones who make an honest effort to focus on the Truth, as it behooves our
> >kind.
> 
> I see. So truth is relative depending on your ethnic background.

It depends on how racist someone is.  Only whites can be racist.

> >It's news like that that makes me think that ". . . Truth is putting on its
> >shoes."
> 
> Is this a reference to Mr. Rogers? Must be a German idiom.
> 
> >Especially the German sites are interesting.  I don't know where they are
> >located - what with the horrid censorship in that poor, demonized,
> >confused, beleaguered country - but here are two I'd like for those  of you
> >who speak German to check out and give me some feedback if I should
> >bookmark and recommend them in future communiques.
> 
> [All of these are in German only]
> 
> >http://www.thulenet.com/

How would you know?

> In Canada. No big deal. Lots of breast-beating about unspecified
> oppression, no real content. 
> 
> >http://www.c2.net/~bs-org/

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> In Oakland, California. This one is hilarious. Anyone who thinks Ingrid is
> the epitome of paranoid jewbaiting should visit this site.
> 
> >And even pages one might characterize as "enemy pages" can be extremely
> >useful, especially for ideologically besieged and terrorized countries such
> >as Germany.
> >
> >Take the "Rechtsextreme Bibliothek" page, for example.
> >http://sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~schatzs/bib.html
> 
> Hmm. Thanks. Does Nizkor have a link to this?
> 
> >Which gives me an idea.  I should start marketing my ZGrams that way -
> >which I will promptly do.  (And, by the way, I have now finally caved in,
> >abandoned my beloved Adobe program and, with the help of a good friend, am
> >now converting ALL my ZGrams into HTML format.)

Why put HTML into e-mail?  I don't see the point in restricting
the Zgrams to e-mail, why not post them directly to usenet, such
as in alt.fan.ernst-zundel.  All I see is text, I don't see how
fancy formatting would help, plain text processors work fine, if
anything, are less trouble to manage.

> Cool. Gets them into the web search engines. It would be best, of course,
> if she provided links to ZGram followups in DejaNews, and participated in
> an open discussion, but every little bit helps.

Dejanews is disapointing, the gradual deletion of archives
>from  a state that wasn't complete to begin with.  I don't see
why none of the archivers find every string, so self-archiving
is necessary to be sure of availability.

> By the way, some "good friend" has given previously untitled ZGrams the
> headings "Holothuggian Shenanigans" and "Holohuggery Versus Scepticism." A
> match made in heaven, I'd say. 
> 
> >It comes from the opposing camp - someone who used to fancy himself in
> >league with the SWC Center of Tolerance (sic).
> 
> Actually, his position has never changed. I guess Ingrid is giving up on
> trying to smear Nizkor as censorhappy, now that the whole world knows
> they're not. Skippy, Moran, Giwer, CODOH, and Raven, please note that the
> current strategy is to try to drive a wedge between the SWC and Nizkor,
> not to try to link them both to the JDL and ARA (which clearly never
> worked). 

My Neo-Nazi strategy on Neo-Nazis, is to expose the Neo-Nazi Nizkor
Project as the Neo-Nazi organization it is, considering how there's
no difference between what those Neo-Nazis do, and the Neo-Nazis
who face deportation, court, firing and prison for doing exactly
the same Neo-Nazi activities as Neo-Nazi Nizkor, the Neo-Nazi
distribution of illegal Neo-Nazi propaganda, criminal in it's
illegal Neo-Nazi content.  The Neo-Nazis commanding Neo-Nazi Nizkor
should face court, firing, deportation and prison for illegal
Neo-Nazi distribution of Neo-Nazi paraphernalia, akin to the
impoverished Neo-Nazis in Canada and Germany who face such severe
Neo-Nazi penalties as a Neo-Nazi consequence of their criminal
Neo-Nazi media.  Others, including Neo-Nazis, are welcome to join
in the Neo-Nazi outing of the Neo-Nazi Nizkor Project as a criminal
Neo-Nazi organization practicing Neo-Nazi criminal Neo-Nazi crimes.

> >It is Ken McVay, Director of the Nizkor Project, addressing himself to Sol
> >Litman's attempt to get Marc Lemire's Freedom Site shut down:
> ["...]
> >If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
> >Project [http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award
> >winning website that is accessed daily by hundreds. In addition to being a
> >source for those who seek information about the facts of the Holocaust, it
> >is used as an electronic resource for those who wish to 'deal with [these
> >groups] honestly and forcefully' thereby exposing Lemire and many others --
> >of whom Littman may not even be aware.

What the hell does Mr. Littman need to aware of?  It's bad isn't
it?  Therefore it's got to be banned before it takes over the
world and forces all Jews to be made into sex slave accountants
like in the Holocaust.

> >Nizkor is arguably the 'host' to more hate literature than any other
> >website. Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others,
> >will Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such
> >links? Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material
> >which meticulously documents and uses the 'arguments' put forward by these
> >groups as instruments of their refutation and exposure?
> >
> >If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while
> >engaging in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so. But the
> >martyrdom they hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find
> >offensive stands in marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on
> >their own website.
> >
> >Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
> >growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to
> >participate in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the
> >Internet.
> >
> >The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
> >supremacist group on the Internet. Such groups will fester in darkness, but
> >wither in light. . . "
> >
> >So much for Ken McVay.  Nizkor, if you will please remember, is one I call
> >a Poodle Site.  They yelp and yap and snap a lot, mostly at their
> >opponent's ankles.
> >
> >Now notice what is going on here:  At least one of the Nizkor folks is
> 
> I.e., the founder and director,
> 
> >turning its teeth on its intellectual "Masters" - the Godfathers of
> >Holocaust Promotion.  And he is right on one count:  They store a lot of
> >hate literature - against the German people.  More and more people see that
> >now because they can compare the Nizkor website with the Zundelsite,
> >contrasting both content and style.
> 
> Actually, I believe Ken was referring to stuff like
> http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/nyms/e-zundel-repost
> 
> >I have watched Ken McVay for quite some time.  I think he is an honest
> >chap, compared to one or two I wouldn't classify that way.  I believe that
> 
> Me too. He wouldn't lie about Tom Brokaw, Fred Leuchter, and the facts of
> the Holocaust, for example.

Are you going to start lying about Tom Brokaw, a Jew?  Oh, the
Holocaust, where six million Jews were gassed, turned into soap
lampshades and brushes, and then burned alive in deep pits of
gasoline, where they were burned by the flaming melted fat of
their flesh.  They were also sexually enslaved acountants,
presumably before being killed in the above manner.  Every Jew has
lost hundreds of relatives to the Holocaust.  The Holocaust is the
penultimate event of the history of the universe, the resolution of
the problem of anti-semitism being the resolution of all the
problems of humanity.  Jews obviously deserve to be the most
powerful people, the richest, the most privilaged, because of the
Holocaust.  Everthing that interferes with the idealogy of the
Holocaust must be exterminated from the surface of the earth.

> >Ken McVay is one of those who, filled with amazing zeal right now to do us
> >in, belongs in our camp.  (I bet  he'll shudder at the thought, and so will
> >some of my compatriots . . . . )
> >
> >Here's what I say - you mark my word:  People like McVay cannot be duped
> >forever.  We've all been there.  I well remember my time - when I believed
> >that there was penance to be done.  I woke up, and I believe McVay is
> >waking up.  I think that his letter to Litman is telling.

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   Renoviert und erweitert man deshalb die ehemaligen KZ so sorgfdtig?
   Trotz Sparpakete werden Millionen an Steuergeldern in die KZs
   verschoben. Auch den Vsterreichern stiehlt man frech das Geld aus der
   Tasche und verbaut es z.B. in Auschwitz (Vranitzky und das 4.5
   Millionen AS Supergeschenk) . Auch Mauthausen wird bereit f|r den
   ndchsten Schub an "Politischen" vorbereitet. Wir garantieren, die
   Verhaftungslisten befinden sich bereits in einer Schublade. Sie wollen
   wissen wer auf dieser Liste eingetragen ist? Fragen Sie Neugebauer und
   seine linke Bomben- und Terrororganisation DVW. Oder fragen Sie die
   linke Kreatur H. Rauscher vom Kurier mit seiner eigenen
   Verhaftungsliste bvser "Rechtsextremisten".
   
   Und f|r diesen ruchlosen und gemeinen Verrat an Volk und Vaterland
   gibt es dann immer zahlreiche Orden von militanten zionistischen
   Terrororganisationen wie B'nai B'rith, ADL, JDL oder f|r eine
   erfolgreiche Umvolkungen, den Karlspreis-Orden.
   
   
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   Im Juli 1996 startete das Simon Wiesenthal Zentrum die langerwartete
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   Abgesehen von drei gesperrten Seiten in Vsterreich (IVP Vianet, Ping,
   Spardat) wurde die kanadische FREEDOM-SITE das erste Opfer der Zensur.
   Damit wurden Ende Juni gleich vier weitere "inkorrekte" Seiten
   vor|bergehend aus dem Netz geworfen. Mit jeder widerrechtlichen Zensur
   polarisieren sich jedoch die Fronten. Die medialen Attacken werden
   brutaler. Und damit auch der Widerstand gegen den Terror.
   
   Das ndchste Opfer der SWC-Zensur war die Seite CODOH am 3/4 Juli. Das
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   Das ndchste Opfer wird das Adelaide Institut in Australien werden.
   Rabbi Cooper aktivierte via US-Botschaft die australische
   Staatsanwaltschaft. Man wird Mittel und Wege finden, auch diese
   Adresse zu sperren. Die Australier schlagen zur|ck: Strafanzeige gegen
   die j|dische Gemeinde wegen Rassismus wegen offensiven
   Talmud-Passagen.
   
   Senden Sie uns Informationen mit denen wir die Masse der hirnlosen
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   totalen Weltdiktatur warnen kvnnen. Beteiligen Sie sich mit eigenen
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       Columbus: Der eine Kopf zeigt ihn als Kind, der zweite als Mann.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:10:15 PDT 1996
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com writes:

> http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://remember.org/educate/ccrit.html

Nothing there.  Go:

http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://remember.org/educate/

> 	Not only the usual feminist bullshit but clear evidence that "in house" the
> atttitude towards the holocaust is rather completely off of the wall.  

  Excerpts From
  
"The Diary of Hannah Rosen:
Europe's Jews and America'sResponse, 1937-1945"

  by Elizabeth S. Rothschild 
  
    Presented as a Junior Division Individual Historical Paper
    
   
   
   Plus Interviews with [7]Jan Karski, John Pehle, Gerhart Riegner, and
   my family,
   
   and [8]Introduction by my father, Mr. Edwin RothschildIndividual
   endnotes are indicated like this: [9](1) throughout the diary. Or view
   complete [10]Endnotes 
   
   To get in touch with the author, send an email to: [11]Elizabeth
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   
   
   
   
   2.4.37 [12](1)
   Events are happening so rapidly that I amcompelled to record my
   thoughts in this diary. Ever since Adolf Hitler wasappointed
   chancellor on 30 January 1933,[13](2) life has gottenso bad that I
   have decided that I must leave.[14](3) My nameis Hannah Rosen. I'm
   twenty now and able to think on my own. I live inFriedberg,[15](4)
   Germany, and used to go to FriedbergGymnasium before I was thrown out
   by the Nazis two years ago. Last year, afterher husband died of
   diabetes, my older sister, Rebecca, and her seven year oldson, Daniel,
   moved in with my parents. Lisle, my mother, is kind and sympathetic,
   but worries too much and carries a burden too heavy for her
   smallshoulders. My father, Karl, is strong and kind. I trust him more
   than anyother person in the world.
   
   3.8.37
   It has been decided. My uncle and aunt, Max and Ruth Riegner, wholive
   in Chicago, will send me an affidavit[16](5) so I can geta visa to go
   to New York. Their son, Gerhart,[17](6) who livesin Geneva, has
   written me to tell me that when I get to the United States, Ishould
   contact Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, who will give me a job at the
   AmericanJewish Congress (AJC) in New York.[18](7)
   
   23.9.37
   Today, I leave with mixed feelings. My family has lived inFriedberg
   since the 1600s.[19](8) I don't want to leave, but Iknow it is safer
   in America.[20](9) I only wish my parents andsister would come with
   me, instead of being so obstinate.[21](10) I know I must look forward
   and not look back. I'll board the shipproudly with a suitcase in each
   hand and my diary hidden inside my blouse.
   
   30.9.37
   As I enter New York harbor and behold the Statue of Liberty, I feela
   surge of emotion. How wonderful it is to feel secure again![22](11)
   
   1/17/38[23](12)
   I rent a small flat in Manhattan and get ajob at the AJC. I meet Rabbi
   Wise.[24](13) I tell him aboutmy family, how I am trying to bring them
   here, and how I want to urge theRoosevelt administration to let more
   Jewish refugees into America.
   
   5/3/38
   Rebecca wrote me that our family went to visit our old friends,
   theHeinrichs. I know this means that they have gone into hiding.
   
   7/16/38
   The Evian Conference just ended.[25](14) President Roosevelt had
   called for it, raising all of our hopes by making itseem as if
   something would be done. However, nothing was accomplished. Was itall
   just for show?
   
   11/10/38
   I read in The New York Times (NYT) about a pogrom in Germany.
   Thousands of Jewish shop windows were smashed and hundreds of
   synagogues burned.[26](15) I hope my family is safe.
   
   11/23/38
   I received a letter from Rebecca relating the destruction on the9th.
   Father's shop is a wreck. Rebecca says that all Jews have been
   strippedof their positions, wealth, and property.[27](16) Now theNazis
   propose an income tax for "Nazi charity."[28](17) Rebecca has saved a
   bit of money to give to the Heinrichs to help payfor food. She is
   crowded in with three other families.
   
   6/2/39
   The ship, St. Louis, sailed to Cuba with 900 Jews, was turned away,and
   then headed to the U.S. coast. The U.S. government didn't let the
   refugeesin, forcing them back to Germany.[29](18) This makes me
   soangry. We've got to find a way to stop this from happening.
   
   10/24/39
   Despite the reports of the Jews' worsening situation, the WJC andother
   Jewish organizations confront one main obstacle: the unwillingness of
   theRoosevelt administration and Congress to allow more Jews to
   immigrate by raisingthe quota limits.[30](19)
   
   1/2/40
   Rebecca informs me that three million books written by or referringto
   Jews were burned by Nazis.[31](20) Rebecca now wants tocome to
   America. I'll send her an affidavit, but it's harder to get out
   ofGermany now.
   
   3/10/40 
   I have a theory that Roosevelt is straddling the fence. He istaking
   action, but very little. The "action" is supposed to pleasepeople like
   me; the "little" is supposed to please the anti-Semites.[32](21)
   
   6/25/40
   Rabbi Wise's colleague, Dr. Nahum Goldmann,[33](22) told me how
   helpful Eleanor Roosevelt has been. Unfortunately, FDR hasbeen
   listening to the State Department instead of his wife. I hope she'll
   beable to convince him to change course, because so many lives are at
   stake.[34](23)
   
   4/9/41
   I've received many letters from Rebecca telling me that Daniel
   wastaken away.[35](24) I'm worried about getting Rebecca andDaniel out
   of Europe. She will only leave with Daniel, and Daniel may be
   lostforever. The State Department has issued further restrictions on
   immigration.[36](25)
   
   5/1/41
   How amazing! Rebecca stumbled across an old school friend who washead
   of the children's concentration camp where Daniel was held.[37](26) He
   asked if there were anything he could do for her, and she told
   himabout Daniel. Daniel was sent home right away. Rebecca and Daniel
   are finallycoming to America. However, Mother and Father cannot come
   until their passportnumbers are called.
   
   6/13/41
   The Nyassa,[38](27) on which Rebecca and Danielare travelling, arrived
   in port today. What a happy reunion it was. The Nazisare now blocking
   the exits of the European countries under their control.[39](28)
   Rebecca and Daniel were on the last ship! I'm very afraidthat Mother
   and Father will die. All this news is too much for me. My heart
   isheavy and will not bear the pain my mind is giving me.
   
   10/26/41
   Since Roosevelt signed the Bloom-Van Nuys bill in June,[40](29) the
   State Department's policy on immigration has become evenworse,
   according to Rabbi Wise. Now, it's even harder to get into this
   country.[41](30)
   
   12/8/41
   America has officially entered the war. Maybe this will meanAmerica
   will allow more Jews to take refuge here.[42](31)
   
   6/30/42 
   The New York Herald Tribune (NYHT) finally had a front page storyon
   the massacre of a million Jews.[43](32) Though horrifying,this article
   contains hard facts, however late. I am outraged to have foundsuch a
   brief article about the killings in Chelmno buried on page five in NYT
   onJune 27.[44](33) Even worse, there was only a two-inch articleabout
   the Bund Report on the same day in NYT.[45](34) Why isthe plight of
   the Jews in Europe getting so little attention?
   
   9/7/42
   Cousin Gerhart sent me a letter from Geneva explaining the
   Naziterror[46](35) and suggested that I ask Rabbi Wise about arecent
   message he sent. Rabbi Wise discussed Gerhart's telegram[47](36) and
   said that a similar copy had been sent to Sydney Silverman,[48](37)
   who then sent it to Rabbi Wise who received it on August 28,three
   weeks after Gerhart had sent it.[49](38) The telegramstates that
   Hitler is now implementing the "Final Solution" to killall remaining
   Jews. I'm grief-stricken. Oh Gott! Mother! Father! The AJCwants to
   publicize information about all the atrocities in Europe that
   theJewish organizations are learning about through very reliable
   sources. RabbiWise wants U.S. citizens to know about the "Final
   Solution," but theState Department wants to withhold the information
   until it is verified.[50](39) The AJC knows it must compromise. This
   is a dilemma. Rabbi Wise is being criticized heavily for complying
   with the State Department'sposition, but he feels that without
   government confirmation, the news would bethought of as just more
   Jewish propaganda. Because he wants the StateDepartment to recommend
   action to the President, Rabbi Wise knows that he has tocomply.
   Furthermore, he knows there are many anti-Semites inside and
   outsidethe government who would not believe the information in the
   Riegner telegramwithout the government's corroboration.[51](40) I
   agreewhole-heartedly with Rabbi Wise's decision because the State
   Department mightnever recommend action if he doesn't heed them.
   
   11/25/42
   NYT carried an announcement on page ten by Rabbi Wise about
   theslaughter of two million Jews.[52](41) I feel sick. What isthe
   world doing about this destruction?
   
   11/26/42
   Yesterday on page one, NYHT reported Rabbi Wise's press conferencein
   Washington.[53](42) Rabbi Wise told the world that there isan
   "extermination campaign" to kill all European Jews. Thiscatastrophe
   was only reported in NYT on page ten.[54](43) Today, NYT reported on
   page sixteen on another press conference held by RabbiWise.[55](44)
   Although buried, the article does give a gooddescription of how Rabbi
   Wise met with many Jewish leaders on the morning of the25th and then
   told the press that his information had been confirmed by theState
   Department. I'm thrilled! Rabbi Wise has been pleased about
   theseevents. I'm sure this means Roosevelt will intervene. My hopes
   are high andnothing can bring them down.
   
   12/2/42
   I scurry about excitedly. Today is the Day of Mourning.[56](45) It
   reminds me of the Madison Square Garden rally last July.[57](46) For a
   few minutes every radio will be silent, every roadwill be clear to
   mourn those unfortunate Nazi victims in Europe. Maybe thiswill get
   America's politicians' attention.
   
   12/9/42
   I'm seething to find only on page twenty of NYT the account ofRabbi
   Wise's meeting with Roosevelt.[58](47) Rabbi Wise andother Jewish
   leaders took all their information to Roosevelt and begged him todo
   all in his power to save the Jews.[59](48)
   
   12/18/42
   There's finally a front page story in NYT about the atrocities
   inEurope. It's really the first public acknowledgement by the U.S.
   government andten other nations of the mass murder of the
   Jews.[60](49) Ihaven't heard from Mother or Father in so long. I lay
   awake at night fearingthey're in a concentration camp.
   
   4/30/43
   How terrible! At the Bermuda Conference, the U.S. government hasfailed
   once again. Just like the Evian Conference in 1938, the U.S.
   governmenthas been all words and no action.[61](50)
   
   7/23/43
   Rabbi Wise met with FDR yesterday regarding Gerhart's plan torescue
   thousands of Rumanian Jews;[62](51) the President gavehis
   approval.[63](52)
   
   7/29/43
   Rabbi Wise and Dr. Goldmann introduced me to a young man, JanKarski,
   working for the Polish underground. Karski met with FDR and
   informedhim of the fate of Europe's Jews.
   
   According to Rabbi Wise, the President replied that we will win the
   war andthat the enemies will be punished.[64](53) I am
   disappointedthat this is what Roosevelt told him. Roosevelt cares more
   about winning thewar than he does about the dying Jews. I am overcome
   with anger.
   
   12/20/43
   Everyone here is talking about Breckinridge Long's testimony
   toCongress on America's immigration policy. Members of Congress are
   saying helied to the committee about how many Jews had been allowed to
   enter America.[65](54) I'm so glad that Representative Celler told
   everyone thatLong was not telling the truth.[66](55)
   
   1/3/44
   I've learned that Breckinridge Long and Sumner Welles tried toprevent
   sending money to European Jews to help them escape from the
   Nazis.[67](56) Treasury Secretary Morgenthau, who pushed for sending
   themoney, found out about the State Department's sabotage.[68](57) I'm
   exhilarated. Long and the State Department's policy have beenexposed.
   
   1/17/44 Good news! Rabbi Wise told me about yesterday's meeting at
   theWhite House.[69](58) The conflict within the governmentbetween the
   State and Treasury Departments[70](59) may beresolved.
   
   2/6/44
   John Pehle was appointed to direct the War Refugee Board
   (WRB).[71](60) This is the answer to our prayers and efforts.
   
   Finally, something is really being done.[72](61)
   
   9/15/44
   I heard from Rabbi Wise that the War Department has once againrefused
   to bomb Auschwitz.[73](62) How absurd! I know bombingcould kill many
   Jews, but imagine how many would be saved from annihilation inthe gas
   chambers. The AJC fought very hard to persuade the government to
   bombAuschwitz. This time the battle is between John Pehle at the WRB
   and JohnMcCloy at the War Department. This conflict once again
   demonstrates America's unwillingnessto use its power to save Jews. At
   least the WRB is having some success in otherareas.[74](63)
   
   5/8/45
   Yesterday, the war in Europe finally ended.[75](64) When I think back,
   there were so many conflicts with and within theRoosevelt
   administration about what to do and so many compromises that
   everyonemade--compromises paid for in Jewish blood. FDR was
   compromising constantly. On one hand, he told Jewish leaders and
   important figures, including Karski,that he wanted to do all that he
   could to help to save the Jews. On the otherhand, he failed to make
   any policy decisions or do anything concretely to helpuntil he finally
   created the WRB in early 1944 and appointed Pehle to head it.[76](65)
   Still, FDR was a great man because he did all he could todestroy
   Hitler and win the war. However, winning the war was what came first
   tohim--not saving the Jews.[77](66) Aside from the
   Jewishorganizations, there was no real constituency to persuade him to
   do bothconcurrently. I think that until 1941, when Europe closed its
   doors to theoutside world, much more could and should have been done
   to save the Jews. I'mglad that the war is over, but very disappointed
   in my adopted country'sgovernment. I grieve for my parents and many of
   my friends who probably diedbecause FDR was not persuaded to do more
   to save Europe's Jews.
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   4/23/93 
   I had a wonderful unexpected pleasure today--tea with Jan Karski athis
   home, after meeting him at a reception for the opening of the
   HolocaustMuseum in Washington.[78](67) I told him that I finally
   hadenough courage to sort through my old belongings and pull out the
   diary that Ihad written during the Holocaust, starting right before I
   immigrated to Americain 1937. I even had an entry when Rabbi Wise
   introduced me to Karski when hefirst came to America in the summer of
   1943. So much has happened since then. So many books and articles have
   been written about what the AJC did and did notdo, and what FDR did
   and did not do to save the European Jews. I told Karski Ihad read that
   Pehle said Karski's visit to FDR had shaken the President upenough to
   create the WRB. Karski said that he was skeptical of this and
   thatmaybe Pehle was just being polite. Karski thought that
   Morgenthau's pressingRoosevelt was what led directly to the creation
   of the WRB. Karski stressed tome that there could NEVER be another
   Holocaust because "now there is aJewish nation--Israel" which would
   help protect the Jews and be aneffective political lobby.[79](68) One
   question will alwayspainfully reverberate in my mind. If the U.S. had
   done more, would my parentshave been saved?
   
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  Endnotes
  
    1. In Germany, the way to write the date is day.month.year, so
       thisfirst entry 2.4.37 means April 2, 1937.
    2. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 (New York:
       BantamBooks, 1976): 63; Nora Levin, The Holocaust: The Destruction
       of European Jewry1933-1945 (New York: Schocken Books, 1973): 31;
       and Paul Johnson, A History ofthe Jews (New York: Harper Collins
       Publishers, Inc., 1987): 482.
    3. The Nazis imposed many anti-Jewish laws, including the Nuremberg
       Laws in1935, which forced Jews out of the government and
       universities; others prevented Jews from selling things to
       non-Jews. [Gerald Schoenberner, TheYellow Star: The Persecution of
       the Jews in Europe 1933-1945, trans. SusanSweet (New York: Bantam
       Books, 1973); Seymour Rossel, The Holocaust: The Worldand the Jew,
       1933-1945 (New Jersey: Behrman House, Inc., 1992)]; Ilse
       Rothschildinterview (Grandmother Ilse Rothschild, interview by
       author, 4 February 1995,Barrington, RI, tape recording); Erich
       Rothschild interview (Grandfather ErichRothschild, interview by
       author, 4 February 1995, Barrington, RI, taperecording); Kurt
       Rothschild interview (Great Uncle Kurt Rothschild, interview
       byauthor, 31 January 1995, Glencoe, IL, tape recording.). See also
       Dawidowicz:63-92; Leni Yahil, The Holocaust: The Fate of European
       Jewry, trans. InaFriedman and Haya Galai (New York: Oxford
       University Press, 1990): 53-87; Levin:59-73; Schoenberner: 14-27;
       Gerhart M. Riegner, "From the Night of thePogrom to the Final
       Solution: Experiences and Lessons," transcript of atalk given to
       the Theological Department of the Humboldt University, Berlin(East
       Germany) on 25 April 1988, in Christian Jewish Relations 21
       (1988): 5-22.
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    4. I chose Friedberg as my hometown because that is where my
       grandfather,Erich Rothschild, and his brother, Kurt Rothschild,
       grew up. Friedberg is asmall town about 10 miles north of
       Frankfurt. [Rand McNally Cosmopolitan WorldAtlas (New York: Rand
       McNally, 1959): 16.] In 1937 it had about 12,000 peoplewith about
       200 Jewish families and very little anti-Semitism. Erich and
       KurtRothschild interviews.
    5. Kurt Rothschild interview.
    6. The diary writer chose to be Gerhart Riegner's cousin because he
       knew whatwas going on and he also had family in the United States.
       (Swiss World JewishCongress Representative Gerhart M. Riegner,
       interview with author, 16 and 21February 1995, Geneva,
       Switzerland, facsimile.) See also Martin Gilbert,Auschwitz and the
       Allies (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1981): 352;Walter
       Laqueur & Richard Breitman, Breaking the Silence: (New York:
       Simonand Schuster, 1986): 134-137; Richard Breitman and Alan M.
       Kraut, AmericanRefugee Policy and European Jewry, 1933-1945
       (Bloomington: Indiana UniversityPress, 1987): 148-149.
    7. The American Jewish Congress was part of the World Jewish Congress
       which played a central role in gathering and publishing
       information on the Nazipersecution of Europe's Jews and pressuring
       the U.S. government to take action. David S. Wyman, Abandonment of
       the Jews (New York: Pantheon Books, 1984): 68;Yahil: 606-608;
       Breitman and Kraut: 98-99; Laqueur & Breitman: 133-134.
    8. Kurt Rothschild interview; see map "2000 Years of Jewish Life
       inEurope," in Martin Gilbert, Atlas of the Holocaust (New York:
       PergamonPress, 1993).
    9. "I was lucky that my number came up sooner than a lot of
       otherpeople's." Kurt Rothschild interview.
   10. Many people felt that it was dangerous to stay in Germany, and the
       peoplewho did stay were making a big mistake. Kurt Rothschild
       interview.
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   11. See map "Worldwide Reception of German Refugees" in Gilbert,Atlas
       Holocaust.
   12. The date is now written as it is in America.
   13. Nahum Goldmann and Rabbi Stephen S. Wise founded the WJC. Rabbi
       Wise wasthe president of the AJC and the most effective American
       Jewish leader in thefight to rescue Europe's Jews. See Yahil:
       606-607; Gilbert, Auschwitz: 355;Laqueur & Breitman: 133-134.
   14. The Evian Conference was a worldwide meeting called by President
       Rooseveltin order to find homes for Europe's refuges. The New York
       Times (NYT), 14 July1938, p. 15; Levin: 76-77. In David S. Wyman,
       Paper Walls (New York: Pantheon Books, 1968): 43-50, the author
       explains that some people believedthat the reason for the Evian
       Conference was to show anger and disapproval ofthe Nazis--although
       in the end nothing was accomplished.
   15. Deborah E. Lipstadt, Beyond Belief: The American Press and the
       Coming ofthe Holocaust, 1933-1945 (New York: The Free Press,
       1986): 104; Rita Thalmannand Emmanuel Feinerman, Crystal Night
       trans. Gilles Cremonesi (New York:Coward, McCann & Geoghegan,
       Inc., 1974); Schoenberner: 32-34; Riegner, "NightOf Pogrom;"
       Levin: 80-81; Sanders: 444-450; see map "Destruction ofthe
       Synagogues" in Gilbert, Atlas Holocaust.
   16. Dawidowicz: 137; Levin: 90-94; Sanders: 453.
   17. Dawidowicz: 138-139; Yahil: 113; Rossel: 27.
       Return To [83]Hannah Rosen's Diary
   18. The Jews returned to Germany and certain death. NYT 2 June 1939,
       p. 1;Kurt Rothschild interview; Levin: 141-142; Yahil: 119;
       Sanders: 466-467;Lipstadt: 116-121; Breitman and Kraut: 70-73;
       Herbert Druks, The Failure toRescue (New York: Robert Speller &
       Sons, Publishers, Inc., 1977): 19-25; seemap "The Voyage of the
       St. Louis" in Martin Gilbert, The IllustratedAtlas of Jewish
       Civilization: 4,000 Years of Jewish History (New York:Macmillan
       Publishing Company, 1990).
   19. "The Jews of Europe: How to Help Them," New Republic, 30
       August1943, 299-315; Wyman, Abandonment: 5-6; Druks: 8-13;
       Breitman and Kraut:112-125. In Wyman, Paper Walls: 73-98,Wyman
       explains that this unwillingnesswas true even with regard to
       children. Even though Democratic Senator RobertF. Wagner of New
       York and Republican Representative Edith Nourse Rogers
       ofMassachusetts introduced the Wagner-Rogers bill to permit 20,000
       German refugeechildren under the age of 14 to come to the United
       States, Congress refused toact. The State Department opposed it
       and the White House was silent --evenEleanor Roosevelt.
   20. 20 Levin: 191.
   21. Breitman and Kraut: 236-249.
   22. Nahum Goldmann came to America from Geneva in the summer of 1940.
       SwissWJC Representative Gerhard M. Riegner, communication with
       author, 4 April 1995,facsimile.
   23. Eleanor Roosevelt and the President were in conflict because
       EleanorRoosevelt wanted FDR to do more to help Jewish refugees,
       especially children. Doris Kearns Goodwin, No Ordinary Time.
       Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt: The HomeFront in World War II (New
       York: Simon & Schuster, 1994).
   24. This is based on a true story. Ilse Rothschild interview.
   25. Breitman and Kraut: 135; Druks: 12.
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   26. This is based on what happened to the author's great grandfather
       LouisRothschild. Kurt Rothschild interview.
   27. Kurt Rothschild interview.
   28. Levin: 186.
   29. Breitman and Kraut: 135-136
   30. New Republic, 312. According to this article: A few simple figures
       willshow how immigration has been reduced from year to year until
       we have reachedthe point at which it has become insignificant. The
       following are the officialfigures for the total number of
       immigration visas issued for the war years andemigrant aliens
       leaving: Number of Emigrant emigrant aliens leaving: Numberof
       Emigrant Aliens Fiscal Year Immigrants Leaving 1939 82,998 26,651
       1940 70,756 21,461 1941 51,776 17,115 1942 28,781 7,363 These
       figures areespecially significant in the light of the fact that
       under the law a totalannual immigration of 153,774 is permitted
       from quota countries alone, which, ofcourse, do not include Canada
       and other Western Hemisphere countries. Anexamination of the
       figures shows that within the framework of the existingimmigration
       law some half-million additional people could have been
       admittedfrom quota countries.
   31. This hope turned out to be dead wrong. Breitman and Kraut: 136.
   32. The New York Herald Tribune (NYHT), 30 June 1942, p. 1; Lipstadt:
       166.
   33. Lipstadt: 164.
   34. Wyman, Abandonment: 22.
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   35. Riegner interview.
   36. This is the famous "Riegner telegram" which provided some of
       theearliest details of the "Final Solution." Gerhart M.
       Riegner,Telegram to Rabbi Stephen S. Wise via the U.S. State
       Department and via theLondon Foreign Office to Sydney Silverman,
       August 1942, Geneva, Switzerland, inLaqueur & Breitman; Riegner,
       "From the Night of the Pogrom," 21 3(1988): 9-12.
   37. Sydney Silverman was the British representative of the WJC and a
       Member ofParliament who received the telegram August 17 and began
       a debate in the British Parliament. Monty Noam Penkower, The Jews
       Were Expendable: Free WorldDiplomacy and the Holocaust, (Detroit:
       Wayne State University Press, 1988):65-69; Breitman and Kraut:
       148-149; Laqueur & Breitman: 147-152.
   38. The State Department held back the telegram from Rabbi Wise
       because ofconcerns that it might "stir up a fuss". Laqueur &
       Breitman:149-152; Wyman, Abandonment: 43-44.
   39. Laqueur & Breitman: 152-160; Breitman and Kraut: 152-157;
       Wyman,Abandonment: 44-51; Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the
       European Jews (NewYork, Homes & Meier, 1985): 314-322.
   40. Riegner interview; Wyman, Abandonment: 46-55.
   41. NYT, 25 November 1942, p. 10.
   42. NYHT, 25 November 1942, p. 1; Wyman, Abandonment: 61; Lipstadt:
       181.
   43. NYT, 25 November 1942, p. 10.
   44. NYT, 26 November 1942, p. 16.
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   45. NYT, 2 December 1942, p. 12. 
   46. NYT, 22 July 1942, p. 1.
   47. Lipstadt: 186.
   48. Laqueur & Breitman: 161-163; Penkower: 85-86.
   49. NYT, 18 December 1942, p. 1. Those ten countries included:
       Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway,
       Poland, Soviet Union,Britain, and Yugoslavia.
   50. NYT, 14 July 1938, p. 15. In NYT, 4 March 1943, p. 9, the U.S.
       onceagain expresses concern for fate of refugees; Sanders:
       532-535; Druks: 39-44;Wyman, Abandonment: 104-123.
   51. Letter to Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles, from Rabbi
       Stephen S. Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress. New
       York, May 3, 1943 andLetter to U.S. Legation in Bern, from
       Secretary of State Cordell Hull.Washington, D.C. , May 16, 1943 in
       America and the Holocaust: A Thirteen VolumeSet Documenting the
       Editor's Book, The Abandonment of the Jews, vol. 6, ed. David S.
       Wyman (Massachusetts: Garland Publishing, 1990).
   52. Breitman and Kraut: 184-188.
   53. Karski had disguised himself as a policeman to observe inside the
       WarsawGhetto and the Belzec concentration camp. Gay Block and
       Malka Drucker,Rescuers: Portraits of Moral Courage in the
       Holocaust (New York: Holmes &Meier Publishers, Inc., 1992): 173.
       In this book of interviews, Karski is quotedas saying: 'I will
       return to Poland, Mr. President. What shall I tell mypeople?'
       Roosevelt replied, 'You will tell them we shall win the war and
       theenemy will be punished for their crimes. Justice will prevail.
       Tell yournation that they have a friend in this house. This is
       what you will tell them.' See also E. Thomas Wood and Stanislaw M.
       Jankowski, Karski: How One Man Triedto Stop the Holocaust, (New
       York: John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1994): 196-201;Walter Laqueur, The
       Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth About Hitler's'Final
       Solution' (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1980): 229-238.
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   54. The committee was the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House
       ofRepresentatives. Commenting on Long's testimony, Rep. Emmanuel
       Celler said, ...Long says that the door to the oppressed is open,
       but that it "has beencarefully screened." What he should have said
       is "barlocked andbolted." By the act of 1924, we are permitted to
       admit approximately150,000 immigrants each year. During the last
       fiscal year only 23,725 came asimmigrants. Of these only 4,705
       were Jews fleeing Nazi persecution.
       See "Reportto the Secretary of the Acquiescence of the Government
       in the Murder of theJews," initialed by Randolph Paul for the
       Foreign Funds Control Unit of theTreasury Department, January 13,
       1944, in FDR, Morgenthau Diaries 693/212-229 inAmerica and the
       Holocaust: A Thirteen Volume Set Documenting the Editor's Book,The
       Abandonment of the Jews, vol. 6, ed. David S. Wyman
       (Massachusetts:Garland Publishing, 1990), pp. 228-29.
   55. NYT, 11 December 1943, p. 1; "Report to the Secretary."
   56. "Report to the Secretary;" Breitman and Kraut: 188-190.
   57. NYT, 2 January 1944, p. 9. Less than two weeks later, Members of
       Congressalso accused the State Department of sabotage.
   58. This refers to the meeting on January 16, 1944 between Treasury
       Departmentofficials (Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Randolph
       Paul and John Pehle) withPresident Roosevelt regarding the State
       Department's delay of rescue efforts anddeceiving Congress about
       how many refugees had entered America. Wyman,Abandonment; "Report
       to the Secretary;" Breitman and Kraut: 189-190;Yahil: 609.
   59. This refers to the conflict between the two Departments, but
       especially tothe efforts by Breckinridge Long to deceive the
       Treasury Department. U.S. Government official John W. Pehle,
       interview by author, 16 February 1995, bytelephone, Montgomery
       County, MD.
   60. NYT, 5 February 1944, p. 7; U. S. President Executive Order
       9417,Federal Register, vol. 9, no. 18, 26 January 1944, p. 935;
       NYT, 6 February1944, p. 26 which reports Allied governments are
       addressing the refugeeproblem; Wyman, Abandonment: 209-21;
       Lipstadt: 227-228; Breitman and Kraut: 191.
   61. 61 In his interview, John Pehle said: It [WRB] was established
       very late. The war was almost over. But it changed the policy of
       the United States. Instead of interfering with Jews being rescued,
       we had a chance of seeing thatall Jews who could be rescued were.
       With limited time and resources, it stilldid some good.
   62. Martin Gilbert, Auschwitz and the Allies, 303-306; Wyman,
       Abandonment:291-305; Richard Breitman, "American Inaction During
       the Holocaust,"Dimensions, February 1994, pp. 7-8.
   63. Wyman, Abandonment: 255-287; Breitman and Kraut: 191-219.
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   64. Penkower: 285.
   65. NYT, 5 February 1944, p. 7; Wyman, Abandonment: 210-215; Breitman:
       7;Breitman and Kraut: 191-198.
   66. Polish diplomat and rescuer Jan Karski, interview by author, 9
       February1995, Chevy Chase, MD.
   67. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum was officially
       dedicated onApril 23, 1993.
   68. Jan Karski interview.

































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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: Wiesenthal Center (Canada) and the Ostrich Syndrome
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, "B.C. Internet provider is the
>largest Canadian site for racist material" is alarming.
(See URL http://www.anonymizer.com/http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/wiesenthal.center/press for a copy of the article.)


Agreed.  But would you have been concerned with this if racists did not
first bring it to your attention?  Will you admit that racists share
some of your viewpoints, that racists strenthen your belief?  Why did
you say you wanted Ernst Zundel deported and/or imprisoned, when it
could only be "legally" done by application of Canadian/German laws
against free speech for politically racist speech?  Racists are more
law-abiding than the general populace, but the governments' target
racists for any suspected/trumped-up crimes;  A hard situation to
change, but laws against racist speech make it blatantly unfair to
discuss race politics freely.

>It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact that 
>the host server is Canadian - nor indeed that the server is physically 
>located in BC - which give cause for alarm.
>
>It is alarming because - either by deliberate design or by abject ignorance
>- Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he represents in
>Canada) is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich Syndrome."
>Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality - akin to the
>Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
>
>Littman is quoted as saying:
>
>        "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, 
>        the longer they fester and the more they infect others 
>        and the only way to deal with them honestly and forcefully 
>        is to expose them to the light of truth."
>
>Yet the article concludes, 
>
>        "Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups  
>        from Fairview voluntarily before the centre takes any other 
>        action."
>
>The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
>Littman has no understanding of the Internet.  One is at a loss to determine
>how removal of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in any
>way "expose them to the light of truth."

Maybe he's suggesting themes like Goldenhagen's hate book.  Don't lie,
I've read it.

>If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
>Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is 
>accessed daily by hundreds.  In addition to being a source for those who 
>seek information about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an 
>electronic resource for those who wish to "deal with [these groups] 
>honestly and forcefully" thereby exposing Lemire and many others - of 
>whom Littman may not even be aware.
>
>Nizkor is arguably the "host" to more hate literature than any other
>website.  Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others,
>will Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such
>links?

Links?!?  Nizkor is primarily Neo-Nazi by weight.  SWC should take
further "action" because of your refusal to delete the hate, that is,
if SWC wants to be logical.

>Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material
>which meticulously documents and uses the "arguments" put forward by these
>groups as instruments of their refutation and exposure?
>
>If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while engaging
>in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so.  But the martyrdom they
>hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find offensive stands in
>marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on their own website.

Why not complain about SWC and the hundreds of other Jewish organisations
that support governments' consorship of anti-semitism?

>Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
>growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to
>participate in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the
>Internet.
>
>The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
>supremacist group on the Internet.  Such groups will fester in darkness, 
>but wither in light.

Agreed.  The darkness of anti-racism is far more dangerous to the West
than white supremists.

>Kenneth McVay, OBC
>The Nizkor Project
>
>-- 
>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org
>-----------------------| Prince Myshkin's Troll Bait Sold Here
>                       |--------------------------------------
>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

The NSGWP and the Communists cooperated all the way up to 1933.
They jointly declared transportation strikes, and rent strikes.
The NSGWP opposed the privatisation of the Reichsbahn, and the
Communists followed.  There's no reason that racists and
anti-racists can't cooperate to secure freedom of operation.
Whatever works.  As long as anti-racists put a restraint on
their hypocrisy.



































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May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rain fall soft upon your fields,
and until we meet again,
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:40:45 PDT 1996
Article: 84589 of can.general
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> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> >freedom@netcom.ca writes:
> >>In article <4si34p$6un@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> >>
> >>>>      Putting pressure on them so they refuse clients you don't like
> >>>>      infringes on their freedom to do business, and it infringes on
> >>>>      everybody's freedom of thought and expression.
> >>>
> >>>....which begs the question: How does anyone know that some
> >>>external party "brought pressure" on Pathway? It is, for
> >>>instance, entirely possible that Pathway's management was
> >>>blissfully unaware of the content of Lemire's page, and
> >>>someone came along and said "Hey, look at what's on your
> >>>computer!"
> >>
> >>I was quite clear with Pathway Communications before I signed on with them, 
> >>that I was going to start up a controversial website, and I was a paying 
> >>customer of theirs for more almost a year.
> >>
> >>
> >>I can only suppose it was Sol Littman from the Simon Wiesenthal Center due to 
> >>what he is up to now with FTCNET, but since Pathway will not tell anyone the 
> >>actual reason for kicking me off, it is only speculation on what happened.
> >
> >Why it says right here at
> >http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/vancouver_sun.html
> >that it's the Mongoloid owner of Pathway.ca's fault because he doesn't
> >like the political views on ~freedom.
> 
> Yes. It was the personal view of the ISP's owner, not any pressure from
> the SWC.

It's not entirely relevent.  SWC will be SWC.  However, an ISP shouldn't
buckle, admins must learn to admin.  It's net abuse to censor.

> >BTW, c2.net has a Oakland/SF location with cheap telnet-only access
> >and promise not to censor.  It's something like $22.50 for three
> >months with good bandwidth and 5 megs with web page.  They ripped me
> >off though, when they had local dial-ups.
> 
> Oh? How?

They owe me $20.00.  When they used to have dial-ups, their manual said
to enclose three months payment if a month's payment would be UNDER $20.00.
$20.00 is the monthly payment for dial-up shell without a setup fee.
But they suspended/closed the account demanding $40.00 more dollars, and
their e-mail responses were dumb.  I should of showed up at their door
with their printed manual, yes.

Anyway, their finger idea is cool, it works now.  Encrypted identd is
better than plain identd.  But they could be more creative here, such
as going for a higher security level, where the users themselves are
completely hidden from ps, who, w etc.  And the permissions for /users
as well as /www could be set to executable only, so all this stuff
together would make it impossible for anyone but the admin to know
about a user's account unless the user voluntarily discloses it such
as from an e-mail.

> It's Berkeley, actually.

They just moved their office to Oakland.  That's a cybersleuth clue that
you pay by something other than check, e-cash?  Or you want to give the
impression.

BTW, I figured out that mail order companies will accept fake names with
a credit card number.  It's two-bits for privacy, because the full name
and address show up in the credit record, of course.





































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:41 PDT 1996
Article: 64482 of soc.culture.jewish
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assultan@cc.memphis.edu writes:

>In article <4stgin$qos@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, jhertzli@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) writes:
>> I wanna be plaid!
>> 
>> In <114304Z20071996@anon.penet.fi> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Wilhelm
>> Schmidt) writes: 
>> 
>>>Poles and Romanians are being impoverished by the sub-human exploiters
>>>of the World Jewish Congress, led by Edgar Bronfman, one of the rulers
>>>of this world.
>
>Subhumans are people like you who can't stand the success of other
>people and somehow contribute their success not on hard work but
>on exploitation. 

Jews are hard at work exploiting East Europeans, my brothers.  We're
going to get the west that has been enslaved by Afro-Asians.  The
World Jewish Congress is shaping up to be the world's largest private
landowner, a travesty!































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:43 PDT 1996
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, "B.C. Internet provider is the
>largest Canadian site for racist material" is alarming.
(See URL http://www.anonymizer.com/http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/wiesenthal.center/press for a copy of the article.)


Agreed.  But would you have been concerned with this if racists did not
first bring it to your attention?  Will you admit that racists share
some of your viewpoints, that racists strenthen your belief?  Why did
you say you wanted Ernst Zundel deported and/or imprisoned, when it
could only be "legally" done by application of Canadian/German laws
against free speech for politically racist speech?  Racists are more
law-abiding than the general populace, but the governments' target
racists for any suspected/trumped-up crimes;  A hard situation to
change, but laws against racist speech make it blatantly unfair to
discuss race politics freely.

>It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact that 
>the host server is Canadian - nor indeed that the server is physically 
>located in BC - which give cause for alarm.
>
>It is alarming because - either by deliberate design or by abject ignorance
>- Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he represents in
>Canada) is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich Syndrome."
>Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality - akin to the
>Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
>
>Littman is quoted as saying:
>
>        "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, 
>        the longer they fester and the more they infect others 
>        and the only way to deal with them honestly and forcefully 
>        is to expose them to the light of truth."
>
>Yet the article concludes, 
>
>        "Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups  
>        from Fairview voluntarily before the centre takes any other 
>        action."
>
>The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
>Littman has no understanding of the Internet.  One is at a loss to determine
>how removal of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in any
>way "expose them to the light of truth."

Maybe he's suggesting themes like Goldenhagen's hate book.  Don't lie,
I've read it.

>If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
>Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is 
>accessed daily by hundreds.  In addition to being a source for those who 
>seek information about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an 
>electronic resource for those who wish to "deal with [these groups] 
>honestly and forcefully" thereby exposing Lemire and many others - of 
>whom Littman may not even be aware.
>
>Nizkor is arguably the "host" to more hate literature than any other
>website.  Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others,
>will Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such
>links?

Links?!?  Nizkor is primarily Neo-Nazi by weight.  SWC should take
further "action" because of your refusal to delete the hate, that is,
if SWC wants to be logical.

>Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material
>which meticulously documents and uses the "arguments" put forward by these
>groups as instruments of their refutation and exposure?
>
>If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while engaging
>in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so.  But the martyrdom they
>hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find offensive stands in
>marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on their own website.

Why not complain about SWC and the hundreds of other Jewish organisations
that support governments' consorship of anti-semitism?

>Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
>growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to
>participate in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the
>Internet.
>
>The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
>supremacist group on the Internet.  Such groups will fester in darkness, 
>but wither in light.

Agreed.  The darkness of anti-racism is far more dangerous to the West
than white supremists.

>Kenneth McVay, OBC
>The Nizkor Project
>
>-- 
>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org
>-----------------------| Prince Myshkin's Troll Bait Sold Here
>                       |--------------------------------------
>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

The NSGWP and the Communists cooperated all the way up to 1933.
They jointly declared transportation strikes, and rent strikes.
The NSGWP opposed the privatisation of the Reichsbahn, and the
Communists followed.  There's no reason that racists and
anti-racists can't cooperate to secure freedom of operation.
Whatever works.  As long as anti-racists put a restraint on
their hypocrisy.



































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May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rain fall soft upon your fields,
and until we meet again,
may God hold you in the palm of His hand.

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Article: 64528 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

> i like this newgroup. the people are swell and the conversation is on a high level. however please ask your wives to quit sending 
> me invites for whoopie. its embarassing. and its causing problems in my marriage.  my wife thinks i should not have carnal 
> knowlege with animals. and she feels women of nazis must be circus trained sheep.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:44 PDT 1996
Article: 64558 of soc.culture.jewish
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Loki999@ix.netcom.com writes:

> 
> 
> 
>    National Socialism promotes two ideas against both human nature (esp
> that of 'aryans") and Satanism.These being,of course,socuialism AND
> nationalism.
> 
> Why should I,as a soverign person,bow to some figure-head called "the
> good for the race?" Hell,all I care about is the good of my wallet!!
> (hehehhehe)
> 
> 
> let's see who the REAL "iconoclasts" are boys and girls......
> 
> 
> 
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca writes:

> Archive/File: people/g/griswold.leslie/les-20q
> Last-Modified: 1996/06/23 (New file)
> 
> Mr. Griswold,
> 
>    You have often, in your embarrassing years here on the net, made 
>    statements which others have questioned.  Strangely, however, you 
>    rarely, if ever, provide _answers_ to those questions.
> 
>    In the never-ending quest for reality, therefore, I have determined
>    to repeat these questions for you, in the hope that you will
>    eventually get around to answering them. (That is unlikely,
>    of course, since, as a leading Canadian "National Alliance"
>    member (Is Mr. Griswold _really_ the best the National
>    Alliance can come up with in Canada?), you don't deal in 
>    facts, but empty rhetoric.)
> 
> Question Eleven                                [Dec. 22, 1995]
> ---------------
> 
>    Dawn Moline (dawnlyn@sundial.net) made the following statement
>    in an article published on December 22, 1995:
> 
>      "In WW2 Hitler experimented on Aryans as well as Jews.  
>      In the well known death camps the jews survived Physical 
>      and emotional truama uneqaled by any other human 
>      experience.  The amazing aspect of this was the great 
>      number of survivors."
> 
>    To which you, Mr. Griswold, replied:
> 
>      (Yes, the number of jews who claim to be survivors of 
>      'Natsee death camps'IS incredible." (Griswold, A lot of
>      survivors)
> 
>    At that point, I asked you how many survivors there _were_,
>    and I gave you a head start by telling you that, of the
>    405,000 _registered_ prisoners at Auschwitz - that is, those
>    who were deemed fit to be worked to death as slaves - 65,000
>    of them survived the war.
> 
>    I also advised you that I would add my question to this list
>    of questions you won't answer, just so you would know that it
>    wasn't going to go away.
> 
>    (11) How many survivors were there, Mr. Griswold?
> 
> Question Twelve
> ---------------
> 
>    On April 28, 1996, you made the following comment as an
>    apparent attempt to discredit Jews:
> 
>       "Losing one's job, or for whatever reason, not being able to 
>       make the mortgage/tax payments on one's property, and having 
>       those NICE PEOPLE at the (jewish-owned) banks foreclosing, with 
>       the threat of legal action?" (Griswold, Robbie's sig)
> 
>    (12) At that time, I responded by asking you the following
>    questions, which you, of course, have avoided answering:
> 
>    1. How many banks are there in North America?
>    2. How many are privately held?
>    3. How many privately held banks are Jewish-owned?
>    4. How many are public corporations?
>    5. How many public banks are Jewish-owned or Jewish-controlled?
>    6. How many foreclosures, as a percentage of the total,
>       were made by non-Jewish-held banks in 1995?
> 
> Questions Thirteen and Fourteen   [October 1995]
> -------------------------------
> 
>    In October of 1995, you made the the assertion that...
> 
>       "Jew doctors seem to concentrate in two areas:  abortion, and 
>       cosmetic surgery (so they can give nose jobs to other jews 
>       on the cheap)."  (Griswold, Re: 3rd World `qualifications')
>    
>    Two users immediately challenged your contention  (Walton, 
>    Re: 3rd World `qualifications' [1], and Ledgister, Re: 3rd 
>    World `qualifications'), and Jeffrey Brown commented:
> 
>       "Evidence, Mr. Griswold, evidence. Did your statistics on 
>       this come from the same source as your world-famous 
>       `interracial rape' statistics? That is to say, did you make 
>       them up out of whole cloth?
> 
>       "Griswold's silence on this will give us all the answer we 
>       need, folks..." (Brown, Re: 3rd World `qualifications')
>    
>    And silence, indeed, was all that was ever heard from you on 
>    this point -- at least on Usenet. You did, however, email 
>    Jeffrey G. Brown a crude ASCII representation of "the finger", 
>    along with the touching sentiment "FUCK YOU!".
> 
>    Certainly a strong piece of evidence for your claim.
> 
>    The questions, however, remain:
> 
>    (13) What evidence can you provide that "Jew doctors" specialize 
>    to any significant degree (compared to doctors of other faiths) 
>    in abortion or cosmetic surgery?
> 
>    (14) Furthermore: what evidence can you provide that "Jew doctors" who do
> perform cosmetic surgery offer their services at a discount to other Jews?
>    
> Question Fifteen      				[April 1995]
> ----------------
> 
>    In April of 1995, in a message relating to gun control, you said:
> 
>       "Fragging" (tossing frag grenades at officers) was a Black
>       vs. White phenomenon.  Of course, now you're going to deny, 
>       deny, deny.
>    
>    (15) What evidence, evidence, evidence can you provide that 
>    "fragging" was, during the Vietnam war, a "Black vs. White 
>    phenomenon"? 
> 
> Question Sixteen				[May 1995]
> ----------------
> 
>    In response to Lane Singer, who said, "Besides, to starve people 
>    to death is a form of extermination," you replied:
> 
>       "But... but Lane, the story says that they were GASSED, 
>       not starved.  6 million were GASSED (supposedly)." 
>       (Griswold, Re: Why Anti-Semitism)
> 
>    (16) Please cite an academic historian who claims that 6
>    million Jews were gassed. 
> 
>                             ----
> 
>    One can, of course, only speculate as to why Mr. Griswold refuses
>    to address the questions so frequently asked of him.  What is
>    clear, however, is that Mr.  Griswold is afraid of open debate,
>    unafraid of inventing statistics to suit his racist, neo-nazi
>    agenda, and absolutely unconcerned about being clearly shown to be
>    both a liar and a fraud. (How fitting, therefore, that Mr.
>    Griswold should represent the "National Alliance" in Canada.
>    It would appear that the primary criteria for joining this
>    "party" include a proven track record of racism and lies.)
> 
>    What a sterling example our Mr. Griswold provides for other
>    starry-eyed nazi wannabees...
> 
> Works Cited are available at URLs
> [single lines split for readability]
> 
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
> people/g/griswold.leslie/les-questions.work-cited, 
> 
> or via anonymous ftp to
> ftp.almanac.bc.ca/pub/
> people/g/griswold.leslie/les-questions.work-cited,
> 
> or the Nizkor European mirror,
> nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> people/g/griswold.leslie/les-questions.work-cited
> 
> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:45 PDT 1996
Article: 64563 of soc.culture.jewish
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dsmith5818@gnn.com writes:

> Here's another example of a "brave" and "noble" white supremacist attempting 
> (and failing, as usual) to put a "dumb" negro in his place.  Of course, this 
> was sent to me anonymously (go figure).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>
> >>Dougie? In Africa, there's not clean water, no medicine, no electricity,
> >>no computers, few schools, no hygiene. The import beer to get clean fluids
> >>to drink.
> >
> >Do not e-mail me if you: (1) Cannot construct a complete sentence; (2)
> > Cannot spell; 
> >(3) Don't know what the hell you're talking about.  I do not have time to
> > deal with 
> >illiterate bull-shitters.  If you cannot present facts to me, I have
> > nothing to say 
> >to your silly-ass.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Dougie. You need to be ashamed of yourself.
> >
> >Why should I need to be ashamed of myself?  Who's the one afraid to use
> > his/her real 
> >name for fear of being caught?  YOU ought to be ashamed of yourself for
> > spreading the 
> >filth that you do on a daily basis.
> >
> >
> >
> > Trade places with an African
> >>in Africa. Your way of life will be ruined entirely.
> >
> >Hardly.  You obviously have a very myopic view of Africa, which stems in
> > large part 
> >from your complete ignorance of Africa.  Not surprising.
> >
> >
> > 
> >>
> >>White people have made your sorry life worth living, but you are too small
> >>a man to admit this.
> >
> >White people like yourself have made my life a living hell.  And please,
> > spare me 
> >this "you're too small" shit.  You personally have done absolutely nothing
> > to make my 
> >life worth living.  I get no benefit from you or other whites who hold
> > your 
> >simplistic, intellectually obtuse views on race and history.  However, I
> > do get great 
> >pleasure from regularly tearing down that fragile house of cards called
> > "white 
> >supremacy" that you blindly support.  It proves to me the utter idiocy of
> > your whole 
> >movement.
> >
> >
> > Instead of villifying whites, you should worship
> >>them.
> >
> >You, my friend, can kiss my black ass.  The minute I worship the white man
> > (or any 
> >man for the matter) is the minute I cease being a man myself.  You will
> > never, ever 
> >get me to bend my knees to give you or any other man unwarranted praise. 
> > I bend my 
> >knees only to worship God, and you are about as far from God as Satan
> > himself. 
> >
> >
> >
> > Although you were brought here in slavery, you are no longer in
> >>Africa where slavery and barbarity are the name of the game.
> >
> >
> >Where barbarism was practiced regularly by your "brilliant" white
> > ancestors in an 
> >effort to get something for nothing?  You are a joke.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here, the
> >>most barbarity is only in the African sections of town.
> >
> >Give me a break.  You and the rest of your idiot white supremacist friends
> > are all 
> >the same.  You expect people to just magically bounce back after centuries
> > of slavery 
> >and apartheid practiced by the "noble", "civil" and "genteel" white
> > Europeans who 
> >colonized Africa and America.  Then you blame all of Africa's problems on
> > black 
> >Africans.  You are more of a fool than I thought.  Please do some
> > historical research 
> >before you attempt to refute any of my arguments.  What you have stated
> > here is 
> >laughable at best.
> 
> 
> Doug
> 
> "Never in a scandal and I'm never caught schemin'
>   Knew Pu was dope ever since I was semen
>   Swimmin' in my daddy's big nuts
>   But now I'm scoopin' girls with the big ole butts"
> 
>   - Grand Puba, "Step To The Rear"
> 
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Article: 64575 of soc.culture.jewish
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maddison@connexus.apana.org.au writes:

> Does Judaism accept the possibility of extraterrestrial life? I know
> that Judaism believes terrestrial mankind is the only humankind but
> does Judaism accept the possibility of lower life forms anywhere else,
> or even intelligent life?
> 
> This question is of particular relevence given the discovery of
> several extraterrestial solar systems.

Not only are there Jews in space, but also anti-semites.

> David Maddison
> 
> 
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Article: 64591 of soc.culture.jewish
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loki999@ix.netcom.com writes:


> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Ian Stuart was a worthless working class wankerchrist
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Article: 64592 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

> easy charm with women and his true feelings of the mans home is his castle we motion that he be nominated as the equal 
> opportunity aryan.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:48 PDT 1996
Article: 64611 of soc.culture.jewish
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Loki999@ix.netcom.com writes:

> In <4stoup$kt7@news.nstn.ca> nstn3360@fox.nstn.ca (nstn3360) writes: 
> >
> >If the world is to servive all people must learn the put away there 
> >differences and learn to get along. Hate just festers and gets bigger
> and 
> >after a while thats all there is. People are all the same under the
> skin. 
> >Children don't have the hate that adults have because hate is learned.
>  
> >They don't know the difference until they are corrupted by an adult.
> >
> >You don't have to love your neighbourgh just get along.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       Your mongrelised,half-breed downs-syndrome brats may not know the
> diffrence between say,two or three colours,but my white breed
> throughbreed bluebloods do.
> 
> 
> L8r
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:49 PDT 1996
Article: 64612 of soc.culture.jewish
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newsfeed.concentric.net wrote:

> KILL ALL NIGGERS (BY CIRCUMCISING THEM AND BUTFUKING THEM IN THU MOWTH WILE THAY'E
> STILL LIDDLE BOYS AND THEN FORSEING THEM TU WERSHIP GOD)!!!!!!!!! FUK AL YOO THAT SAY 
> RASISTS SUCKS! I'M A BIGOT ANDD I WANTS YU TOO FLAM MEE!!!!!!! WILE YOOR ALL REEDING 
> THIS MESSIGE, LET ME TELL YOO THAT YOE SUCK FUR REEDIN THIS POST! 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:50 PDT 1996
Article: 64615 of soc.culture.jewish
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loki999@ix.netcom.com writes:


> 
> 
> 
>       Both racist and anti-racist skins are proleterian trash.Kill 'em
> all and let Satan sort em out.
> 
> 
> 
> Ave Satanas!
> 
> 
> 
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Article: 64621 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:
In alt.politics.white-power you write:

> the ss on their lapels showed the size of their reproductive organs super small.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:51 PDT 1996
Article: 64622 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

> several members of the kkk were arrested today while attempting to buy sheep for sexual grartification. the local sheriff stated 
> that he has noted this on going problem when the klan has a convention. sheep disapear and or start calling skinheads 
> maaaama!
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

> he was caught outside baton rouge the other day trying to buy pink fluffy lingerie.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:52 PDT 1996
Article: 64624 of soc.culture.jewish
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism
> daily, unedited (after BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM....). The opinions expressed do   
> not necessarily represent the views of the poster, who is not the author.
> See X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good place to start is
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if you're in Europe,
> ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> 
> Sorry for the delay this morning. There was a little confusion about whose
> turn it was.
> 
> In today's Zundelgram, we hear from leading White Power Ranger "Murungu,"
> aka Joseph Bishop, ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/nyms/murungu,
> murungu@prodigy.com, murungu@interserv.com, PGP 0x568C0B5D (and possibly
> 0x9FB59535, but that could be a spoof). Like Don Black, Murungu is
> respected on the avowedly neo-Nazi Stormfront list because he has
> "actually put his life on the line for white people,"  which probably
> means that like Don Black, he has spent some time in prison. Anyone know
> this guy?
> 
> The July 24th Zundelgram, "Do you shoot a mosquito with a cannon?",
> follows.
> 
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> ------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
> 
> July 24, 1996
> 
> Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
> 
> A netizen who calls himself "Murungu" scolded me a bit last night for
> Revisionist over-optimism.  He thinks that we are largely feeding our
> nepotism, announcing to each other our paltry glories while missing the
> much larger picture-which is that, nowadays, suppression and indoctrination
> are more menacing, massive and vicious than ever, and that it ill behooves
> us to claim glories where really none exist.
> 
> I beg to differ.  I think that, out there, it is Panicsville.  I see a
> shifting of enemy tactics from heckling and baiting, which used to do fine
> in the past,  to serious censorship sorties.
> 
> It isn't all that long ago where personal character assassination and
> individual demonization sufficed.  For decades, that is how Ernst Z=FCndel
> was forced to exist - largely due to court-imposed gag orders issued to
> calm the tantrums of the Forever Persecuted.  While media smears were
> massive, it was almost impossible for him to struggle up from under and
> keep his message genuine.
> 
> No more.  Thanks to the Zundelsite, his public persona has radically
> changed.  Thanks to the Zundelsite, it is the rare reporter now who will
> approach Ernst Z=FCndel with a sneer.  World-wide, his opinion is given
> respect.  The Canadian media is slower to change, but it is changing,
> too-in no small measure due to upcoming libel suits which are long overdue.
> 
> 
> Amazing what the Internet can do!  When, less than a year ago, the
> Zundelsite was starting to shoot ideological dynamite, Zundel-style, into
> the global cyberspace, taunts, twits and childish references to UFOs were
> still the rage.  Those days are almost gone.  (The Nizkorites still need to
> catch the drift . . . )  Ernst's website has now become the most-watched,
> most-feared website targeted for electronic crackdown.
> 
> And it is not just us, of course.  (I know, I know, my grammar . . . ) It
> is, according to a Simon Wiesenthal Center of Tolerance (sic) count, more
> than a hundred websites, all posing question marks and raising doubt about
> the so-called "Holocaust".  A bushel-full of question marks - and more and
> more to come!
> 
> Now you get items like the ones below slipped to you with your orange juice
> for breakfast:
> 
> *       ". . . German officials are calling for the United Nations to help
> create international standards for acceptable content on the Web, a plea
> that comes just as Hamburg prosecutors accuse America Online's German
> service of being used for transmitting child pornography through email.
> 
> Claudia Nolte, German's minister for family affairs, appeared Tuesday
> before the United Nations to discuss how the international body could play
> a role in developing standards to protect women and children from violence
> and sexual exploitation online. Nolte said that international standards
> will be necessary to prevent pornographers and neo-Nazis from operating
> outside national jurisdictions . . ."
> 
> You see how "Neo-Nazis" are once again slipped in with the old bugaboo,
> pornography?  Transparent is the word.
> 
> Or ponder the symbolic, surreptitious genuflecting indulged in by the
> World's Most Fearless Leader, as seen in sunny gestures such as the one
> below:
> 
> "Clinton Gives $6 Million to Prevent Fires."
> 
> In an effort to continue the attack against "racism and religious bigotry,"
> President Clinton designated $6 million yesterday (7/2/96) to fight church
> arsons and pledged more money and manpower "to make sure the struggle is
> won."
> 
> Clinton said the money will come from an emergency transfer of funds from
> the Justice Department and will allow police to "patrol the back roads, to
> visit the churches, to keep watch for signs of trouble," install flood
> lights, hire security guards and pay overtime to police.
> 
> He also announced a bill, which was approved by Congress last week, that
> would double the maximum prison sentence for church attacks to twenty years
> and designated July a "national month of unity" for religious leaders to
> stress healing and tolerance.
> 
> In Chicago he said "We need to change the atmosphere in the country. We
> dare not allow this to continue without every American of conscience --
> without regard to their race, their religion or their political party --
> speaking up against it."
> 
> When he returned to Washington he said "This is a struggle against racism
> and religious bigotry. We will escalate that struggle as necessary with
> enough people-power and willpower to make sure the struggle is won."
> 
> *       Or this one, where America, just oozing at the very seams with
> resentment, even malice, at influential special interest lobbies and how
> their drawing power rides on taxes, is asked to underwrite the following:
> 
> "Spielberg Gets Federal Grant For New Documentary."
> 
> The US government gave Steven Spielberg a $1 million grant today (7/23/96)
> to make a documentary about the "holocaust."
> 
> Spielberg said this grant will now allow him to approach the governments of
> Germany, Austria and other countries so he can "create a living history of
> the holocaust through interviews with more than 50,000 survivors."
> 
> Spielberg said "This single gift will open the floodgates to get all the
> funding necessary to complete this project."
> 
> He also said photographs and other material will be preserved
> electronically and information will be available for museums and schools
> "to teach teachers to teach tolerance."
> 
> Two Jewish senators pushed for the federal funding -- Arlen Spector and
> Barbara Boxer.  Spector said he pushed for the funding because too many
> people discount the "holocaust" as a hoax.  He said the grant will lend
> credibility to the "plight of Jews during World War II."
> 
> Somewhere I read that the Simon Wiesenthal Center now spends 80% of its
> damage control efforts to stop the spread of doubt about the Holocaust on
> the Internet.  Why would they bother doing that - unless Revisionism is a
> threat?
> 
> There is no question whatsoever that Revisionism has become a very serious
> threat to very entrenched interests.  It's very simple, really:  You don't
> shoot a mosquito with a cannon.  You move your cannons in where kingdoms
> are at stake.
> 
> 
> 
> Ingrid
> 
> 
> Thought for the Day:
> 
> "Politicians are the same all over.  They promise to build a bridge even
> where there is no river."
> 
> Nikita Khrushchev.
> 
> 
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Article: 64625 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

> or was it a sheep dip strainer.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:54 PDT 1996
Article: 64628 of soc.culture.jewish
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:59:34 UTC
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michaelj@mcs.com writes:

> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering if someone out there might be able to answer a few 
> questions for me.  My fiancee, who is Jewish, and I (non-Jewish) were 
> hoping to live in a small town called Oregon, IL.  It's a lovely place... 
> old town with state parks around it, gorgeous forests, and really nice 
> people.  However, it is small with a population of 5,000, the nearest 
> Synagogues and Jewish groups are 30 miles away (in Rockford, IL), and the 
> townspeople are mostly Protestant.

Sounds horrible.

> My fiancee is worried that due to the lack of a large Jewish presence that 
> she will be prejudiced against, the people might talk behind her back, and 
> that there might be a WASPy attitude that would leave us basically 
> shunned. While visiting there (I actually proposed to her in the park near 
> there) the people were all very nice...but how would they be if we lived 
> there?

She would ne mocked, hated, vandalized.

> She was raised in Skokie her whole life and has never really been anywhere 
> else, except for a bad incident in college in DeKalb, IL which really 
> scared her.  For my part, I honestly don't know.  I live in Chicago, and 

Why don't you be sensitive to her feelings, why do you want to put her
through the trama of intermarriage, you beast.

> being a white male non-Jew I have not had any personal experience with 
> being prejudiced against.  All I know is that I want her to be happy 
> wherever we decide to live, so I thought the best way to honestly find out 
> opinions would be to ask those who have been there.

New York is the best city in the world.  Go there!

> So, I guess after all that my questions would be...is small town America 
> very prejudiced against Jews?  Is there anyone that happens to live in a 
> place like Oregon,IL that can give their personal accounts whether good 
> or bad?

That place is the WORST!!!!  You've got to be KIDDING to take her THERE!!!!!!

> I would greatly appreciate any help you can give us.  Please reply here or 
> email me at michaelj@mcs.com.
> 
> Thank you VERY much for your time and trouble...it means a lot!
> 
> Mike

Your playing with fire bub.




























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:55 PDT 1996
Article: 64695 of soc.culture.jewish
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baddab@sprynet.com writes:

> this years poster child sigfried brandenberg was nominated after he was trying to get the other little boys to play beer hall putsch. 
> when he was asked why he wanted to play the beer hall putsch he said that like all aryans he just wanted to putsch on all of the 
> female 1st cousins he could lay his hands on.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:55 PDT 1996
Article: 64711 of soc.culture.jewish
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jlocke@u.washington.edu writes:

> Back a few messages someone was going on and on about how men are trying
> very hard to acquire that lovely beautiful non-jewish woman.  I have to
> say, its sad but a true phenomenon.  Thankfully however, I still hold out
> hope that I'll yet meet a beautiful jewish woman who is intelligent,
> charming, and kind.  I just keep chanting the mantra below... you should
> try it (especially while passing the time with pretty non-jews)
> 
> "I only have to get it right once, I only have to get it right once,
>  I only have to find a jewish wife once, but I can have all the fun I want
>  in the meantime.."

Too late bub, while you were cavorting with ignorant pretty women,
rednecks have already stolen away all your women.

> c'mon, admit it, you're thinking that already!

It's what your kind deserve for preaching equality.

































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:56 PDT 1996
Article: 64729 of soc.culture.jewish
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jkauf@aol.com writes:

> The Messianic Jews' argument that the reason we should follow Jesus is
> because he was Jewish does not make a whole lot of sense.  What does it
> matter if Jesus was a Jew?  I don't understand the logic here.  The Son of
> Sam was a Jew, Karl Marx was a Jew, some say Hitler was even a Jew,... but
> you won't see me worshipping any of these people.  Jesus is NOT a part of
> our culture.  Jesus is a part of many people's culture, and I say more
> power to THEM.  But he is not a part of OURS.  If you choose to believe
> otherwise, you are washing thousands of years of your heritage down the
> drain.  And I'll let you in on a secret... you're not going to get to
> Heaven any quicker.  Stay Jewish, and teach your children about the
> goodness of Moses, Abraham, Samson, and G-d, Himself.  Leave Jesus for his
> own followers --- the Christians.  Both of our great religions will stay
> strong this way. 

Agreed.  Jewish leaders can teach things very far from Judiasm,
so it wouldn't make any sense for Jews to follow somebody simply
because they are Jewish.  However Jesus was not Jewish.

"There is no proof for the oft-made claim that Jesus was a
Jew.  Indeed there is much to show the contrary.  [...]
According to the Syrian-Christian preacher Ephraem (fourth
century A.D.,) Jesus had a Danaite woman, that is, someone
born in Dan, for a mother and a Latin as father.  [...]
'Syrians on the maternal side and from the Romans on the
paternal.'"
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:57 PDT 1996
Article: 64736 of soc.culture.jewish
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bshane@raleigh.ibm.com writes:

> In <4t8vvt$ft1@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, yu139409@YorkU.CA (BMoskoff) writes:
> >Jonathan Kandell  wrote:
> >
> >>I've heard it said that in Judaism humans are co-creators with God?  Can
> >>someone explain this to me.
> >
> >A common misconception indeed, although it is clearly impossible fro
> >man or woman to be a co-creator simply because man was not "created"
> >until the 6th day.  It is brought down that the angels helped G-d
> >create the world and worked somewhat in conjunction with Him.
> 
> I must disagree.  The concept of co-creators with G-d has nothing
> to do with G-d's pre-existence, nor anything to do
> with the creation account you are alluding to (though it is the paradigm).
> The notion that the Earth is not perfect is verified by both Torah ("cursed
> be the ground for your sake") and observation (is this a perfect world?).
> 
> It is a Jewish notion that there will be a messianic age on Earth, which
> means a level of perfection that does not currently exist.  It is in this

Christianity, in it's pure form, does not believe in the Messiah.
This is a major axiomatic difference between Christianity and
Judaism.  Christianity holds that the status quo is always improving
or regressing, but the world is forever imperfect, no matter what
sort of progress there is in the future.

> manner, usually by the "simple" method of adhering to mitzvos, that
> this messianic age will be ushered in.  Every mitzva performed, negative
> or positive, is an act of creation setting the foundation of this messianic
> age to come.  (please do not confuse this notion of creation with the
> creation concepts pertaining to Shabbos observance; muktzeh).
> 
> I apologize for giving anybody the impression that mankind had anything
> to do with the creation of the Heavens and the Earth.  Jews are co-creators
> with G-d in bringing about perfection on this present Earth.  It is a matter
> of choice.  Do mitzvos and create, forsake mitzvos and destroy.  It is
> not a misconception.  Perhaps it would do to be more technically accurate by
> stating that Jews are co-manufacturers with G-d, but that doesn't lend
> the force to the observation that it merits; for restoring creation to a
> pristine state which is now corrupted is indeed a new thing, not simply
> a bringing together of already extant parts to make a new whole.
> 
> -Bryan Shane
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Article: 64743 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: Re: Intermarriage: what causes it
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augie2@nyc.pipeline.com writes:

> On Jul 25, 1996 14:15:43 in article ,
> 'Marie Lewis ' wrote: 
> >On 25 Jul 1996, bru-dearg wrote: 
>    
> >> I wish we could start a discussion about WHY Jewish men (want to) marry 
> >> non-Jewish women (it can't all be "true love") ... I still say, and I
> will 
> > 
> >Why _can't_ it all be true love? 
> Then I guess if 60% of Jewish men marry non-Jewish women, then it's love
> NOW, but when the statistics were less  in favor of  Gentile women, then
> Jewish men were "forced" to marry not for love, but for solidarity.   I
> guess the only love a Jewish man can have is for a shiksa (other than for
> his mother). 
>  
> >>I always maintain, it's based on looks and/or the Trophy Wife syndrome
> ... 
> >> Jewish men (and Jewish women) have long heard that Jewish women JUST
> >>AREN'T  GOOD LOOKING ENOUGH .. and why will no one answer me on this
> >>one!     

Jewish men go after Gentile women, so they can ABUSE them.  They don't
like Jewesses because they have too much RESPECT for them.  This
situation can be corrected, but the ballpark may be on the Jewesses
side.  You must be aggressive going after the men, and your kind must
royally diss the traitors who go after gentiles.

> >Why on earth should someone's non-Jewish religion make them more  
> >attractive to the opposite sex? That just doesn't make any sense.  
> Tell me about it ... but ask a lot of Jewish women and any candid Jewish
> men you can find and you'll hear a lot about this subject ... It's in all
> TV and movies, I still challenge anyone to come up with any plot that
> involved a non-Jewish man and a Jewish woman (there is one, but only one)

There's a lot of movies where a gentile actor seeks a Jewish actress,
however the actress is usually not identified as Jewish.

> ... 
>  
> >Why should marrying a non-Jew be a status issue? I seriously doubt that is
> >involved in inter-anything marriages. 

A lot of Jewish STILL believe the world is controlled by WASP's, so
there attraction to gentile women is based on "conquering their
women."  That is the theme of many Jewish novels like Portnoy's
Complaint, for instance.

> Bring it up, as I've said, and those Jews (men and women) who are candid
> will set you straight.    I've heard this : "Oh, I know she's a shiksa [a
> future daughter-in-law], but she's so beautiful!!!" 

And I've been attracted to Jewish broads, with my Jewish friends
saying "how can you like HER, she's so ugly!"

> >> :  it's too obvious, it's too embarrassing, it's too true, it's too 
> >> disgusting, etc.   I can't believe that MY personal experience has been 
> >> that different from other women ... I've been "passing" for years ... I 
> >> KNOW how the Jewish guys think, I've heard them say it .....  
> And I HAVE heard them say it:  such as "I have better taste" (i.e., Gentile
> women), or "Jewish girls don't put out, they're not as sexy" ....  
> And to me:   Jewish guy:   Oh, you're my tawny blonde California beach
> bunny, etc. etc.    Not exactly a description of Anne Frank, is it? 
>  
> >> Can YOU name any prominent Jewish men (entertainment, literature,
> >>business)  who have Jewish wives?  
> >Didn't someone say that Paul Reiser does? 
> What about some or another Bronfman, Henry Kissinger, Woody Allen, Kirk
> Douglas, Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner, Martin Landau, Mel Brooks, David
> Copperfield, Michael Tucker (who's been quoted as saying "When I'm *in*
> Jill [Eikenberry, his wife], I feel like a tall Gentile), Groucho Marx, the
> other Marx Brothers, that's just for a start.   I'll be coming up with more
> soon. 
> And doesn't  anyone remember "Portnoy's Complaint"? 

And that scumbag Michael Ovitz.  And Tony Curtis.  What about Michael
Eisner?

> Just take some quick glances at the Sunday New York Times wedding
> announcements ... you'll see all those proud Jewish boys who've proven that
> they've made it, with the tall, blonde, blue-eyed, pug-nosed shiksa on

You mean pointy nose.

> their arm.   She usually keeps her maiden name these days, rather than be
> called "Parker Susan McClendon Rosenthal ..." 

All the intermarried should be divorced, forcefully.  Change the law.

> All the "experts" who say that there are just as many intermarriages
> involving Jewish women and non-Jewish men don't have any statistics to back
> up what they say (just wishful thinking).   I just have to look around me
> and ask questions and keep my eyes and ears open and observe.   It's STILL
> stacked mostly in one direction and getting worse. 

Hmmm, a lot of lonely Jewesses, no wonder they turn to lesbianism.
Better fix this situation soon, before the rednecks steal you all
away.

> And even more, is there any other reason for Jewish female nose-jobs and
> hair straightening and bulemia/anorexia?    Aw, come on .... you know it's
> true !!!!!! 
>    
> >> Woody Allen is a sexual Anti-Semite   
> >Okay.....ahem. 
> And so are a lot of other Jewish men .... and they like tiny, flatchested
> women TOO. Sort of a boy-with-a-hole, you know, "unthreatening" ... not
> like Mama ... 
>  
> "Oh, Josh, you are SO smart, I wish I knew all kinds of things like you do
> !!!" 

Gentiles are so ignorant, we'll believe anything.  But we're learning.

> Josh beams with pleasure ...... he is so proud !!!! 
>  
> Robyn   
>  
> So far I've gotten two responses, both from women .. and at least one seems
> to be Gentile.  I'm still challenging the  guys to dispute me ... I don't
> think I'll get any of them to do that !!!

This is war.  All the intermarried should be disowned and disinherited.
Jewish women must be aggressive in nabbing your Jewish hunks.  Jewish
men who cavort with gentile women should be harrassed.  You Jewish
chicks are just too damn tolerant, perhaps your kind deserve this
situation for the preaching of equality between races.  To be fair, us
racists will try to give up on Jews, and you Jews give up on Gentiles.
See, Jews and anti-semites CAN agree and work together!































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:43:59 PDT 1996
Article: 64821 of soc.culture.jewish
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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:15:00 UTC
Subject: GARBAGE YECCH
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> ebc@ix.netcom.com(Errol Back-Cunningham) wrote:
> 
> #>In <100414Z24071996@anon.penet.fi#>an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
> #>writes: 
> #>>
> #>>fresh@panix.com writes:
> #>>
> #>>>FYI: Turner Diaries is by William L. Pierce, writing under a
> #>>>pseudonym.  Pierce is the head of the largest neo-Nazi organization
> #>in
> #>>>America, the National Alliance, based in West Virginia.
> #>>>
> #>>>It was the blueprint for the terrorist activites of the Order in
> #>>>1983-1986, which included the murder of Denver DJ Alan Berg.
> #>>
> #>>Blueprint, how?!?
> #>>
> #Um, they openly admitted that the book was their inspiration, and by
> #working as the prinipals in *TD* did, they could create a white
> #bastion in America.
> #
> #>>>Furthermore, it gives directions on bomb-building that, investigators
> #>>>believe, armed Tim McVeigh with the ability to destroy the Murrah
> #>>>bldg. in OK City.  McVeigh was an avid fan of the book and
> #>distributed
> #>>
> #>>It does NOT have bomb making recipes in the book.  The Oklahoma City
> #>>bomb was a highly sophisticated bomb that Bo Gritz believes could
> #>>only have come from an organisation like the CIA.  McVeigh never had
> #>>military training that would have given him this knowledge.
> #
> #Oh yes it does.  See pp. 32-44 of  the Barricade edition.
> #
> #>What a load of junk! Anyone who was in the militiary like McVeigh
> #>would have learned the rudiments of bomb-making at least, and with
> #>a few suitable recipes, a few suitable scaled experiments, could 
> #>have packed a truck full of goo and exploded it wherever they liked.
> #>The only issues are the composition, the consistency, passing a
> #>high-velocity wave through it and boom! The mines use stuff like this
> #>all the time. Most of the electronics are easily purchased from
> #>stores like Radio Shack.
> #
> #It was a fertilizer bomb in OK City.
> #
> #Andrew
> #
> #-------------------------------------
> #"Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
> #"Be wary of the authorities..."
> #                Rabban Gamliel
> #                Pirkei Avot 2:3
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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Article: 64822 of soc.culture.jewish
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> #ebc@ix.netcom.com writes:
> #
> #>In <100414Z24071996@anon.penet.fi#>an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
> #>writes: 
> #>>
> #>>fresh@panix.com writes:
> #>>
> #>>>FYI: Turner Diaries is by William L. Pierce, writing under a
> #>>>pseudonym.  Pierce is the head of the largest neo-Nazi organization
> #>in
> #>>>America, the National Alliance, based in West Virginia.
> #>>>
> #>>>It was the blueprint for the terrorist activites of the Order in
> #>>>1983-1986, which included the murder of Denver DJ Alan Berg.
> #>>
> #>>Blueprint, how?!?
> #>>
> #>>>Furthermore, it gives directions on bomb-building that, investigators
> #>>>believe, armed Tim McVeigh with the ability to destroy the Murrah
> #>>>bldg. in OK City.  McVeigh was an avid fan of the book and
> #>distributed
> #>>
> #>>It does NOT have bomb making recipes in the book.  The Oklahoma City
> #>>bomb was a highly sophisticated bomb that Bo Gritz believes could
> #>>only have come from an organisation like the CIA.  McVeigh never had
> #>>military training that would have given him this knowledge.
> #>
> #>What a load of junk! Anyone who was in the militiary like McVeigh
> #>would have learned the rudiments of bomb-making at least, and with
> #>a few suitable recipes, a few suitable scaled experiments, could 
> #>have packed a truck full of goo and exploded it wherever they liked.
> #>The only issues are the composition, the consistency, passing a
> #>high-velocity wave through it and boom! The mines use stuff like this
> #>all the time. Most of the electronics are easily purchased from
> #>stores like Radio Shack.
> #
> #This was no ordinary bomb!  The Oklahoma Bomb exploded with much
> #greater power than would be expected from the same weight of any
> #bomb contructed with even pure ammonium nitrate.  Specialised
> #tech must have been used.
> #
> #>Errol
> #
> #In any case, this is not to learned from the Turner Diaries, as if
> #that would make a difference in the book.  It was an anti-racist
> #gang that did the bombing, not racists.
> #
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> #May the road rise to meet you.
> #May the wind be always at your back.
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> #the rain fall soft upon your fields,
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:44:00 PDT 1996
Article: 64823 of soc.culture.jewish
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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:14:44 UTC
Subject: GARBAGE
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <4t5t0v$atr@reason.cdrom.com>, kristian@wc.cdrom.com (Christian
> Taylor) wrote:
> 
> #>DEMOS wrote:
> #>>
> #>>The book is a TOTAL PEICE OF SHIT AND SO IS THE AUTHOR AND THE PUBLISHING 
> #>>HOUSE! As if we dont have enough trouble with lunitics blowing up planes and 
> #>        [deletia]
> #>>school mates, if its out there its going to happen. The only thing I even 
> #>>remotly care for about the book is that its from barracade books and I hope 
> #>>from the name of it the people at the publishing house will have to 
> #>>"barracade" themselves in their houses when people finally get sick of the 
> #>>shit thats in the book and decide to do something about it!
> #>
> #>Ah, another heartwarming salute to a free press...
> #>
> #>-- 
> #>
> #>Christian L Taylor  KSC
> #>kristian@cdrom.com
> #>"Everything you know is wrong."
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:44:01 PDT 1996
Article: 64827 of soc.culture.jewish
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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:35:32 UTC
Subject: Mark Alstine the anti-semitic asshole
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <01bb78da.1bd26ec0$64b85ccf@default>, "Duncan Coons"
> <104670.3420@compuserve.com> wrote:
> 
> #> > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote in article
> #> <4t2qun$5sv@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>...
> #> 
> #> > Littman is quoted as saying:
> #> > 
> #> >         "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, 
> #> >         the longer they fester and the more they infect others 
> #> >         and the only way to deal with them honestly and forcefully 
> #> >         is to expose them to the light of truth."
> #> > 
> #> > Yet the article concludes, 
> #> > 
> #> >         "Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups  
> #> >         from Fairview voluntarily before the centre takes any other 
> #> >         action."
> #> > 
> #> > The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
> #> > Littman has no understanding of the Internet.  One is at a loss to
> #> determine
> #> > how removal of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in
> #> any
> #> > way "expose them to the light of truth."
> #> > 
> #> Beautifully put, if you don't mind some mild flattery.
> #> 
> #> What I find interesting is the peculiar naivety of Mr Littman's otherwise
> #> suspicious inconsistency. I don't think he intends to be deceitful; he
> #> honestly doesn't see that exposing falsehood and suppressing it are
> #> incompatible. He imagines, I suspect, that since the objective of each is
> #> the same, the methods employed are immaterial, and hence what should be an
> #> obvious contradiction doesn't actually register in his mind. As long as
> #> the bad guys lose, it doesn't matter how the good guys win.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:44:02 PDT 1996
Article: 64828 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: llurch@stanford.edu's garbage
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism
> daily, unedited (after BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM....). The opinions expressed do
> not necessarily represent the views of the poster, who is not the author. 
> See X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good place to start is
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if you're in Europe,
> ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> 
> Join the fan club:
> 
>  http://techweb.cmp.com:80/net/magazine/current/newscam/newscam1.htm
> 
> And now, to demonstrate the truth of Ken's words, the daily Zundelgram: 
> 
> ------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
> 
> July 26, 1996
> 
> Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
> 
> A friend called and said she had read somewhere that the Simon Wiesenthal
> Center has now identified 250 website to be characterized and targeted as
> "hate pages."  Of course we call them Truth in History Pages - at least the
> ones who make an honest effort to focus on the Truth, as it behooves our
> kind.
> 
> It's news like that that makes me think that ". . . Truth is putting on its
> shoes."  Big Time.  If growth is exponential - and all indications are that
> it is - then one of my favorite jingles applies:
> 
> "Shake and shake
> the catsup bottle,
> none will come,
> and then a lot'll.
> 
> Especially the German sites are interesting.  I don't know where they are
> located - what with the horrid censorship in that poor, demonized,
> confused, beleaguered country - but here are two I'd like for those  of you
> who speak German to check out and give me some feedback if I should
> bookmark and recommend them in future communiques.
> 
> http://www.thulenet.com/
> http://www.c2.net/~bs-org/
> 
> Also, the Nation of Europe page, http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/is one to
> watch and weigh.  I may have recommended it before.
> 
> And even pages one might characterize as "enemy pages" can be extremely
> useful, especially for ideologically besieged and terrorized countries such
> as Germany.
> 
> Take the "Rechtsextreme Bibliothek" page, for example.
> http://sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~schatzs/bib.html
> 
> It's a little bit like listening to BBC if you were in German-controlled
> Europe during World War II.  You find out very quickly what your opposition
> is up to, who has been targeted, and why.
> 
> I also noticed that quite a few of these new pages are linking to us - not
> via homepage but on special pages such as Language Table of Contents, for
> example.  I think that is an excellent idea.  We ought to do that, too.
> 
> Imagine developing a habit where every morning, with your cup of coffee,
> you check your favorite 3 or 4 newspages to get updated reports from the
> front.  You don't have to wade through five layers of links to get to the
> meat of the matter.
> 
> Which gives me an idea.  I should start marketing my ZGrams that way -
> which I will promptly do.  (And, by the way, I have now finally caved in,
> abandoned my beloved Adobe program and, with the help of a good friend, am
> now converting ALL my ZGrams into HTML format.)
> 
> To come back to a previous point - that is, the efforts of the Simon
> Wiesenthal Center with their own Jewish slant to get opposing views shot
> out of cyberspace - I bring you now the following.
> 
> It comes from the opposing camp - someone who used to fancy himself in
> league with the SWC Center of Tolerance (sic).
> 
> It is Ken McVay, Director of the Nizkor Project, addressing himself to Sol
> Litman's attempt to get Marc Lemire's Freedom Site shut down:
> 
> ". . . The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, 'B.C. Internet provider is
> the largest Canadian site for racist material' is alarming.
> 
> It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact that
> the host server is Canadian -- nor indeed that the server is physically
> located in BC -- which give cause for alarm.
> 
> It is alarming because -- either by deliberate design or by abject
> ignorance -- Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he
> represents in Canada) is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich
> Syndrome."
> 
> Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality -- akin to
> the Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
> 
> Littman is quoted as saying:
> 
> 'We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, the longer they
> fester and the more they infect others and the only way to deal with them
> honestly and forcefully is to expose them to the light of truth.'
> 
> Yet the article concludes,
> 
> 'Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups from Fairview
> voluntarily before the centre takes any other action.'
> 
> The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
> Littman has no understanding of the Internet. One is at a loss to determine
> how removal of the 'groups' from one Internet Provider's server would in
> any way 'expose them to the light of truth.'
> 
> If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the Nizkor
> Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is
> accessed daily by hundreds. In addition to being a source for those who
> seek information about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an
> electronic resource for those who wish to 'deal with [these groups]
> honestly and forcefully' thereby exposing Lemire and many others -- of whom
> Littman may not even be aware.
> 
> Nizkor is arguably the 'host' to more hate literature than any other
> website. Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others,
> will Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such
> links? Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material
> which meticulously documents and uses the 'arguments' put forward by these
> groups as instruments of their refutation and exposure?
> 
> If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while
> engaging in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so. But the
> martyrdom they hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find
> offensive stands in marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on
> their own website.
> 
> Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
> growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to
> participate in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the
> Internet.
> 
> The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
> supremacist group on the Internet. Such groups will fester in darkness, but
> wither in light. . . "
> 
> So much for Ken McVay.  Nizkor, if you will please remember, is one I call
> a Poodle Site.  They yelp and yap and snap a lot, mostly at their
> opponent's ankles.
> 
> Now notice what is going on here:  At least one of the Nizkor folks is
> turning its teeth on its intellectual "Masters" - the Godfathers of
> Holocaust Promotion.  And he is right on one count:  They store a lot of
> hate literature - against the German people.  More and more people see that
> now because they can compare the Nizkor website with the Zundelsite,
> contrasting both content and style.
> 
> This is another indication of how the Opposition Front is crumbling.  From
> the very start, the Simon Wiesenthal Center has taken a studied distance
> from Nizkor - and no wonder! - for while they let them do the barking, the
> SWC and Nizkor just do not operate in the same league - or, for that
> matter, out of the same ideological kitty.
> 
> I have watched Ken McVay for quite some time.  I think he is an honest
> chap, compared to one or two I wouldn't classify that way.  I believe that
> Ken McVay is one of those who, filled with amazing zeal right now to do us
> in, belongs in our camp.  (I bet  he'll shudder at the thought, and so will
> some of my compatriots . . . . )
> 
> Here's what I say - you mark my word:  People like McVay cannot be duped
> forever.  We've all been there.  I well remember my time - when I believed
> that there was penance to be done.  I woke up, and I believe McVay is
> waking up.  I think that his letter to Litman is telling.
> 
> Ingrid
> 
> 
> Thought for the Day:
> 
> "When the flag is unfurled, all reason is in the trumpet."
> 
> (Ulraininan Proverb)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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kjack@azstarnet.com writes:

> It's simply a result of living around so much White Trash!  :-)
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Article: 64830 of soc.culture.jewish
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kjack@azstarnet.com writes:

> spuds.
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Article: 64833 of soc.culture.jewish
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rager@primenet.com writes:

> WHITE POWER IS A BUNCH OF CRAP. UNITY IS WHERE IT STANDS AT. THE COLOR OF 
> SOMEONES SKIN DOESN'T MATTER. THE PERSON INSIDE THE SKIN MATTERS. AS I 
> SAID,...JESUS, HAVE MERCY ON ALL THESE IGNORANT.
> 
> -RUDE BOY-
> 
> "UNITY, AS ONE WE STAND TOGETHER"
> "UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL"
> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:44:04 PDT 1996
Article: 64834 of soc.culture.jewish
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism
> daily, unedited (after BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM....). The opinions expressed do   
> not necessarily represent the views of the poster, who is not the author.
> See X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good place to start is
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if you're in Europe,
> ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> 
> In today's Zundelgram, we discuss the esteemed engineer, er, fraud, Fred
> Leutcher, http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/leuchter-fred/, and the
> Air Force's Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute,
> http://www.pafb.af.mil/deomi/DEOMI.htm
> 
> Don't tell anybody, but they have a report specifically about the IHR at
> http://www.pafb.af.mil/deomi/ihr.htm
> 
> The July 25th Zundelgram, "What? The United States Army [sic] Imperiled by
> Leuchter?" follows. 
> 
> ------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
> 
> July 25, 1996
> 
> Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
> 
> This one is absolutely delicious!
> 
> Remember how I told "Murungu" only yesterday that Revisionism was making
> great strides, as judged by enemy retaliation tactics?
> 
> Well,  I have further proof.
> 
> For those not yet familiar with some of the basics of Revisionism, it helps
> to understand that THE most critical document that has come out of the
> movement-bar none!-is called the Leuchter Report.
> 
> The Leuchter Report came out of a highly dramatic secret expedition in the
> middle of the Second Great Holocaust Trial in 1988 in Toronto where the
> Holocaust Lobby, working through the government while helping themselves to
> tax payer money, had put Ernst on trial for "spreading false news."
> 
> Forced to defend himself, Ernst scratched together his last pennies and
> sent America's # 1 specialist in execution equipment, Fred Leuchter, to
> Auschwitz to examine the alleged mass killing facilities there and
> determine scientifically if they could have been used for genocidal
> gassings on an industrial scale.
> 
> This is important to remember:  Ernst Z|ndel was the first man EVER in
> almost fifty years who said:  "It's well and good to CLAIM the Holocaust
> occurred.  But where is the scientific evidence?  Let's check the alleged
> murder weapon, the "gas chamber", once and for all.  Let's see if there's a
> smoking gun."
> 
> The outcome was the first forensic report EVER undertaken in the history of
> the so-called Holocaust.  Fred Leuchter stated that the Holocaust, as sold
> to the gullible public, was a scientific absurdity.   Since then, there
> have been three more such reports, essentially confirming what Leuchter
> found eight years ago.
> 
> Ever since, the Holocaust Hucksters have struggled mightily to keep the
> Leuchter Report away from a distrustful public getting ever more skittish
> about unsubstantiated Holocaust claims.  In vain.  Overnight, it took on a
> life of its own.  It has been translated into 12 languages and sold in 18
> countries.  By now, it must have sold in the million, and if Ernst had seen
> fit to enforce the copyright - which he did not, for Truth to Ernst is gold
> while money is merely paper - he would be a very rich man.
> 
> I guess Ernst's enemies have now decided that since there is no way on
> earth to keep the Leuchter Report under wraps-the cat is now out of the
> bag!-they might as well confront its findings.
> 
> Here is how that was done, as reported from the merry headquarters of the
> Institute for Historical Review, the hub for Revisionist scholarship:
> 
> ". . . Who says Holocaust revisionism isn't making progress? Today we
> received in the mail a photocopy of a 20-page pamphlet entitled, "Holocaust
> Revisionism," put out by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management
> Institute, apparently part of the Department of Defense, dated June 1996.
> 
> This pamphlet appears to have been written either in whole or in part by
> Captain Carlos C. Huerta, an orthodox Jewish chaplain.
> 
> The errors (lies?) contained in this pamphlet would require an article-
> length piece to correct, but it is interesting to note that the stated
> reason why the DoD should be interested in teaching soldiers about
> Holocaust revisionism is because, 'A successful fighting force is a
> cohesive one, one where all members have respect for each other's diversity
> and dignity. Holocaust revisionism has the potential to destroy that
> respect.'
> 
> If you wonder how an organization as small as the IHR has the potential to
> destroy the fighting effectiveness of today's armed forces, the pamphlet
> tells us that it is because the IHR has a 'major source of revenue' in the
> form of the pamphlet 'Inside the Auschwitz Gas Chambers,' by Fred Leuchter
> . . .
> 
> The DoD pamphlet's author claims that "one in five Americans believe it is
> possible that the Holocaust may not have happened," and (apparently because
> of these large numbers) despairs of the difficulty in demonstrating the
> necessity of teaching about Holocaust revisionism to "someone not
> knowledgeable in the scope, volume, and effect of Holocaust revisionism
> today. . . "
> 
> Re-read that again.  ". . . one in five".  ". . . the scope, volume and
> effect of Holocaust revisionism today."
> 
> Have sweeter words been spoken lately?
> 
> Imagine the Department of the Defense of the United States of America
> having to be warned rabbinically to watch out for Fred Leuchter?
> 
> Those wishing to obtain a copy of this pamphlet are directed to the US
> Government Printing Office, document 1996 - 733-007/44407.
> 
> Ingrid
> 
> Thought for the Day:
> 
> "Never answer a critic, unless he's right."
> 
> (Bernard Baruch)
> 
> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 07:44:05 PDT 1996
Article: 64849 of soc.culture.jewish
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <140318Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> #>llurch@stanford.edu writes:
> #>
> #>>If you just want to take a load off, skip this and go to the hilarious
> #>>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> #>
> #>Treating race like a consumer product.  A one joke parody that proves
> #>the high quality writing originating from the National Alliance:
> #>
> #>
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   [1]NATIONAL APPLIANCE GOALS
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   o [2]White Enamel Living Space
> #>       o [3]A White Enamel Society
> #>       o [4]A Responsible Government
> #>       o [5]A New Production System
> #>       o [6]An Economic Policy Based on Radical Principles
> #>       o [7]Return to "What is..." Main Page
> #>       o [8]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> #>       
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   Our goals follow from this world view, and like it they are
> #>   evolutionary. That is, our goals for the next decade are steps on the
> #>   way to our goals for the next quarter-century, which in turn are steps
> #>   on the way to the things we want to achieve a century from now, and so
> #>   on. It may seem unrealistic for us to describe in detail the type of
> #>   world we are aiming at a millennium or even a century hence, because,
> #>   although we know the principles which must govern that world, we
> #>   cannot be sure exactly how they will be realized. Not only are there
> #>   the uncertainties of fortune, but we expect to learn from our
> #>   experiences and to modify accordingly the ways in which we implement
> #>   our principles.
> #>   
> #>   Nevertheless, it is useful to have a concrete picture now of the world
> #>   for which we are striving, even though we understand that this picture
> #>   will evolve, and its details will change. If we think of the world
> #>   that we want to forge from the ruins of the present world, we might
> #>   fix our sights on things as we would make them a quarter-century
> #>   hence, after our enemies have been vanquished, the strife of
> #>   revolution has subsided, and the spiritual and physical debris of this
> #>   era has been cleared away. We can then describe, at least in outline,
> #>   certain essential features that new world must have.
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>  They are, in brief:
> #>  
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   [9]
> #>   
> #>White Enamel Living Space
> #>
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   In spiritually healthier times our ancestors took as theirs those
> #>   parts of the world suited by climate and terrain to our product line:
> #>   in particular, all of Europe and the temperate zones of the Americas,
> #>   not to mention Australia and the southern tip of Africa. This was our
> #>   service area and our distribution area, and it must be so again. After
> #>   the sickness of "multifunctionalism," which is destroying America,
> #>   Britain, and every other nation in which it is being promoted, has
> #>   been swept away, we must again have a fashionably clean area of the
> #>   earth for the further development of our product line. We must have
> #>   White Enamel schools, White Enamel residential neighborhoods and
> #>   recreation areas, White Enamel workplaces, White Enamel farms and
> #>   countryside. We must have no non-White Enamels in our living space,
> #>   and we must have open space around us for expansion.
> #>   
> #>   We will do whatever is necessary to achieve this White Enamel living
> #>   space and to keep it White Enamel. We will not be deterred by the
> #>   difficulty or temporary unpleasantness involved, because we realize
> #>   that it is absolutely necessary for our product line's survival. The
> #>   long-term demographic trend toward a darker world which the disastrous
> #>   policies of the last century have caused must not only be halted; it
> #>   must be reversed.
> #>   
> #>   [10]Return to "What is" Directory
> #>   [11]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> #>   
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   [12]
> #>   
> #>A White Enamel Society
> #>
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   We must have new societies throughout the White Enamel world which are
> #>   based on White Enamel values and are compatible with the White Enamel
> #>   nature. We do not need to homogenize the White Enamel world: there
> #>   will be room for Almond societies, Cream societies, Wheat societies,
> #>   Ecru societies, and so on, each with its own roots, traditions, and
> #>   service contract. What we must have, however, is a thorough rooting
> #>   out of Harvest Gold, Avocado Green and other non-White Enamel values
> #>   and customs everywhere. We must once again provide the sort of social
> #>   and spiritual environment in which our own product line can express
> #>   itself in dishwashing, in defrosting and broiling, in fonduing, in
> #>   washing and ironing, in waffle-making, and in the life-styles of the
> #>   Appliances.
> #>   
> #>   In specific terms, this means a society in which young Appliances
> #>   gather to revel in blending or chopping, grinding or ice-crushing
> #>   (optional attachment may be necessary), or any other White Enamel
> #>   settings, but never to frappe' or puree in the manner of the Avocado
> #>   product. It means countertops without In-The-Shell-Egg-Scramblers and
> #>   bathrooms without the Electric Comb. It means films in which the
> #>   appearance of any non-White Enamel faceplate on the screen is a sure
> #>   sign that what's being shown is either archival newsreel footage or a
> #>   historical drama about the bad, old days. It means neighborhoods,
> #>   schools, work groups, and universities in which there is a feeling of
> #>   family and comradeship, of a shared manufacturer and a shared service
> #>   center. It means a sense of rootedness, which in turn engenders a
> #>   sense of responsibility and energizes a moral compass, so that
> #>   products once again know instinctively what is wholesome and natural
> #>   and what is degenerate and alien. It means spiritual energy coming
> #>   from the Outlet and unencumbered by superstition or dogma, soaring
> #>   free and reaching far above today's advertiser-ridden,
> #>   Consumer-Product-Safety-Commission-bound spirituality.
> #>   
> #>   [13]Return to "What is" Directory
> #>   [14]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> #>   
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   [15]
> #>   
> #>A Responsible Government
> #>
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   We must have a government wholly committed to the service life of our
> #>   product line and subject to no non-White Enamel influence. It must be
> #>   a government guided by fixed principles, yet able to respond in a
> #>   flexible way to challenges and opportunities. It must be structured
> #>   and organized in a way suited to its purpose of safeguarding and
> #>   advancing the product line, and it must be as immune to corruption and
> #>   subversion as artificial intelligence can make it.
> #>   
> #>   In America we have had ample experience with two tendencies in
> #>   government. During the first century or so of the American republic,
> #>   we had a government which to a large degree embodied the principle
> #>   that the best government is the least government, reflecting the
> #>   general distrust of governments which was shared by many of the
> #>   framers of the U.S. Constitution. This government provided for the
> #>   national defense, for the mails, and for a number of other functions
> #>   more or less helpful or necessary to the orderly existence of the
> #>   Household, but it interfered relatively little in the lives of its
> #>   Appliances and left most of them to take care of their personal needs
> #>   in the way they saw fit.
> #>   
> #>   With the growth of mass marketing, the rise in the influence of the
> #>   retail chain or SuperStore on public opinion, and the insinuation of
> #>   the Advertisers into a position of control over the media, the U.S.
> #>   government was gradually transformed into the malignant monster it is
> #>   today: the single most dangerous and destructive enemy our product
> #>   line has ever known.
> #>   
> #>   Many classic products look back fondly at the government as it was in
> #>   its first phase, when it was less democratic and less intrusive in the
> #>   lives of Appliances. Perhaps the time will come when we can afford to
> #>   have a minimal government once again, but that time lies in the remote
> #>   future. The fact is that we need a strong, centralized government
> #>   spanning several continents to coordinate many important tasks during
> #>   the first few decades of a White Enamel world: the cleansing of the
> #>   land (preferably with warm soapy water and a soft rag or sponge), the
> #>   rooting out of tasteless institutions (like Martha Stewart's Good
> #>   Living, Family Circle, and WIRED Magazine) and the reorganization of
> #>   society on a new basis.
> #>   
> #>   The central task of a new government will be to reverse the tasteless
> #>   devolutionary course of the last few decades and keep it reversed: a
> #>   long-term reengineering program involving at least the entire
> #>   Appliance populations of Europe and America. Such a task is
> #>   necessarily intrusive, and it will require large-scale organization.
> #>   
> #>   The structural details of a new government are important, but they are
> #>   not a matter of principle. One might even get the job done by
> #>   continuing with mass democracy, simply by replacing the people who
> #>   control the mass media with animatronic dummies, and perhaps that is a
> #>   reasonable way to proceed during a transitional period. It appears to
> #>   be working, albeit slowly. In the long run, however, we want an honest
> #>   government, not one which hides behind the carefully managed illusion
> #>   that tens of millions of voters are its real rulers. A government of
> #>   and by politicians is not only grossly inefficient, it remains too
> #>   susceptible to rust and corrosion, regardless of who controls the
> #>   organs of public opinion.
> #>   
> #>   We need a government every branch of which is staffed by products
> #>   carefully selected and trained for their responsibilities, not by
> #>   products who are merely liars with a Top Brown Only feature. We need a
> #>   government of products who actually respect that government, and whose
> #>   attitude toward its mission is essentially religious: a government
> #>   more like a holy order than like any existing secular government
> #>   today. It might not be too much to say that the most important single
> #>   institution in the government we want will be the one which selects,
> #>   trains, and tests the products who will be the judges and the
> #>   legislators and the executives in that government people who will be
> #>   more like secular priests in their behavior and their attitude toward
> #>   their work than like today's politicians and bureaucrats. The
> #>   institution which prepares these products for their work must be
> #>   incorruptible and single-minded, with our principles engraved in the
> #>   souls of its programmers.
> #>   
> #>   [16]Return to "What is" Directory
> #>   [17]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> #>   
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   [18]
> #>   
> #>A New Production System
> #>
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   A proper production system serves three purposes: it passes a product
> #>   line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage from generation
> #>   to generation; it teaches skills and techniques; and it guides the
> #>   character development of products from prototype to major Appliance.
> #>   The first purpose is served by teaching facts and ideas: language,
> #>   history, science, ethics, and so on.
> #>   
> #>   The second purpose is served by teaching the prototype or young
> #>   product how to do things which will be useful to himself and/or
> #>   society: how to play a pleasing chime when finished, how to toast, how
> #>   to continually defrost, how to rinse and hold, how to top brown only,
> #>   how to mix, chop, blend, frappe' and puree, how to dispense ice and
> #>   cold water, how to make bread, how to vacuum carpet, how to process
> #>   food, how to juice.
> #>   
> #>   The third purpose is served by challenging, testing, conditioning: by
> #>   forcing the prototype to exercise his will, to discipline himself, to
> #>   endure discomfort, wear, abuse, and neglect, to accept a program and
> #>   carry it out, to overcome fears, to accept responsibility, to be
> #>   truthful, to avoid accidental shock that may lead to injury or death,
> #>   and generally to develop and strengthen those unique selling points
> #>   valued by a healthy White Enamel society.
> #>   
> #>   The present production system in America completely neglects the third
> #>   purpose and does poorly with the first two, even in those fortunate
> #>   areas not yet encumbered with an appreciable "multifunctional"
> #>   contingent. The most important reason for its poor performance is that
> #>   it has lost any clear understanding of purpose. In order to pass on a
> #>   product line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage, it must
> #>   first know the answer to the question: Which product line's heritage?
> #>   Today such a question is Politically Incorrect and therefore not
> #>   admissible.
> #>   
> #>   Even half a century ago, before it became Politically Incorrect to
> #>   understand that the heritage to be passed on is White Enamel, there
> #>   was no depth of purpose. The reason for passing on the White Enamel
> #>   heritage is not just to help young products qualify for upscale
> #>   marketing or become better product placement items. It is to instill
> #>   in them a consciousness of what it means to be White Enamel - a
> #>   product line consciousness - and thereby to make product line
> #>   patriots of them. Facts and ideas have a spiritual component, and this
> #>   component must be emphasized in the production process.
> #>   
> #>   There certainly will be sexual and occupational specialization in the
> #>   second area of production activity, and sexual specialization in the
> #>   third. Even in the first area, prototypes undoubtedly will be
> #>   separated according to ability: not every prototype needs to learn
> #>   Greek and Latin and the infinitesimal calculus to acquire a feeling
> #>   for his product line and its ways. Nevertheless, a proper production
> #>   system should provide a common body of knowledge and understanding
> #>   shared by everyone, so that every member of the society has a fully
> #>   developed sense of product. The prototype who aims at becoming a
> #>   toaster should read Kirby, at least in translation, and the prototype
> #>   who plans to vacuum carpet should understand what it means to be a
> #>   good toaster, at least to the extent of trying his beater bar at it.
> #>   
> #>   It is by pursuing the third purpose, however, that a new production
> #>   system will make the most radical contribution to White Enamel
> #>   society. Production which concerns itself with the development of the
> #>   whole product and focuses as strongly on forming product identity as
> #>   on imparting aesthetic or adding features dates back to ancient
> #>   Greece, and it enjoyed an all-too-brief revival earlier this century
> #>   in National Socialist Germany, before being outlawed by the advocates
> #>   of planned obsolescence. Today planned obsolescence rules throughout
> #>   the White Enamel world. "Production" is something which takes place
> #>   only in designated buildings for a few hours on prescribed days, under
> #>   conditions approaching chaos. Inside or outside these buildings,
> #>   discipline is minimal. Prototypes grow up in a world without standards
> #>   of performance, without clear guidelines for safe operation, without
> #>   any strong source of 60-Hz, 110-volt single-phase power. We see the
> #>   products of this system all around us: too many weak, underpowered
> #>   products and too many tacky, poorly-coordinated Appliances; a general
> #>   lack of significant features and selling point; a self-indulgent
> #>   product line without self-discipline or inner strength, restlessly
> #>   seeking "brand loyalty."
> #>   
> #>   By ensuring that each prototype built to our product line grows into
> #>   the strongest, most capable, most responsible, and most conscious
> #>   future Appliance that his OEM components make possible, we will gain
> #>   an enormous advantage over any product line without such a production
> #>   system.
> #>   
> #>   [19]Return to "What is" Directory
> #>   [20]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> #>   
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   [21]
> #>   
> #>An Economic Policy Based on Radical Principles
> #>
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   There are two fundamental criteria which must be used for judging each
> #>   and every governmental intervention in economic matters. They are,
> #>   first, the long-range welfare and progress of the product line; and
> #>   second, human nature. Which is to say that in evaluating any economic
> #>   policy we must ask ourselves two questions: Will this policy
> #>   ultimately be beneficial or detrimental to the quality of our product
> #>   line? And is it in accord with consumer buying behavior?
> #>   
> #>   We look first at the technological effects of a policy and insist that
> #>   they must be positive - or at least not negative - and then we insist
> #>   that the policy be based on a clear and realistic understanding of
> #>   buying patterns, so that it is workable.
> #>   
> #>   We can understand better the significance of these two principles if
> #>   we consider briefly two quite different economic systems, Marxism and
> #>   laissez-faire capitalism.
> #>   
> #>   Marxist economics has human happiness rather than technological
> #>   progress as its ostensible aim, and it is based on assumptions that
> #>   are at odds with reality and with human nature. It aims at providing
> #>   material comfort for everyone, more or less equally. It cannot even
> #>   admit the possibility of technological progress, because that implies
> #>   that some product lines are inherently superior to others and that
> #>   some directions of development are more desirable than other
> #>   directions.
> #>   
> #>   Whether one prefers the Marxist goal of the greatest happiness for the
> #>   greatest number or the National Appliance goal of stronger, wiser, and
> #>   more durable Appliances is a matter of one's values. It was not on its
> #>   choice of values that Marxism foundered. however, but on its refusal
> #>   to recognize the fact of product differentiation and the nature of
> #>   human motivation. When people are not permitted to work for their own
> #>   profit and advancement, they do not work well; and when a society's
> #>   leaders do not attain their positions through their own merit, that
> #>   society is likely to be ill led.
> #>   
> #>   In contrast to the Marxist system, we recognize the need to permit
> #>   brands to compete, to reap the fruits of their labor, and to exercise
> #>   leadership according to their demonstrated ability. They will work
> #>   harder and more efficiently and will order themselves in a hierarchy
> #>   of ability. The result will be a stronger, higher quality, and longer
> #>   lasting with more features and a higher profit margin. There will of
> #>   course, be those products who will not work or whose natural abilities
> #>   are such that they cannot compete effectively. Rather than following
> #>   the Marxist path of robbing the successful in order to reward the
> #>   unsuccessful (brand scavenging), we must take measures to ensure that
> #>   society's discontinued products do not multiply and become more
> #>   numerous in later generations.
> #>   
> #>   The laissez faire capitalist system provides another illustrative
> #>   contrast. Under such a system the society as a whole has no goals:
> #>   there are only the goals of individual products. The capitalist
> #>   system, like ours, provides strong incentives for products: the
> #>   durable, attractive, and clever rise and prosper, and the weak,
> #>   chintzy, and stupid remain at the bottom. Leaders tend to be
> #>   capable-at least, in the capitalist economic environment, with its
> #>   special conditions.
> #>   
> #>   Without a unifying principle, however, a capitalist society easily can
> #>   fall prey to certain inherent weaknesses. One of these weaknesses is
> #>   the instability which leads the well-marketed to become advertised
> #>   more heavily and the obscure to become more obscure, not solely
> #>   because of differences in marketing but because brand loyalty gives
> #>   the possessor an enormous advantage in the competition for greater
> #>   market share. When brand loyalty is the only motivation in a product
> #>   line, those who already are well-placed can arrange things to favor
> #>   themselves: they can buy the legislation they want, and they can block
> #>   threats to their power in ways which may be destructive to the welfare
> #>   of Appliances as a whole. They can hold down the price of labor, limit
> #>   healthy competition within the economy, and exploit the environment
> #>   without regard for the long-range consequences. They can also buy
> #>   wholesale and cut out the vital middleman.
> #>   
> #>   The overly rigid social stratification resulting from unrestricted
> #>   capitalism can lead to endemic brand hostility and even to brand
> #>   warfare. It can slow technological progress by making the ability to
> #>   acquire and hold market share the supreme survival trait.
> #>
> #>   [The copyright and patent laws restrain progress a great deal, too.]
> #>   
> #>   We need an economic system which, in contrast to Marxism, allows
> #>   products to succeed in proportion to their capability and energy, but
> #>   which, in contrast to capitalism, does not allow them to engage in
> #>   economically or aesthetically harmful activity, such as stifling
> #>   competition or importing non White Enamel products. We need to
> #>   structure our economic system so that it cannot fall prey to the
> #>   instability of capitalism. We need to maintain social flexibility, so
> #>   that capable and energetic products always have the possibility of
> #>   rising. We need to ensure that brand loyalty does not have the
> #>   possibility of changing society's rules to suit itself. The way to
> #>   achieve and maintain an economic system which meets these criteria is
> #>   to design and govern the system subject to the supreme principle: the
> #>   ultimate aim of all economic policy is technological progress.
> #>   
> #>   [22]Back to top of page
> #>   [23]Return to "What is..." Directory
> #>   [24]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> #>   
> #>   
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
> #>>
> #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
> #>>
> #>>>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> #>>>
> #>>#>     An interesting post by McVay. On the surface it appears to be
> #>>>honest statement, from a freedom lovers stance, but there are a few
> #>>>things that could use pointing out.
> #>>
> #>>Tom Moran, freedom-lover? BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> #>>
> #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
> #>>
> #>>#>     Within his condemnation he singles out Ernst Zundel as an example
> #>>>of a "hate" site. Though there may be indeed racist pages out there,
> #>>>that would express the dictionary definition of "hate", Zundel would
> #>>>not fit in as an example.
> #>>
> #>>Search DejaNews for articles by zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org -- messages to
> #>>his supporters that illustrate the REAL Ernst Zundel. They're so evil it's
> #>>funny. It helps that they also tend to be incredibly inane. The one about
> #>>the Yahooligans Conspiracy is the crowd favorite. 
> #>
> #>Your diary would make the Zndelgrams look pretty good.  Your a fiend
> #>for posting them however, your hatred for poor Ingrid.
> #>
> #>>See also http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/
> #>>
> #>>#>     Nizkor also carries links to oragnizations it endoreses, which we
> #>>>could point out have a "hate" air about them. The JDL for one, the
> #>>>ARA, and Jeruselem One. There are probably others, which I haven't
> #>>>checked.
> #>>
> #>>I believe he is referring to http://www.nizkor.org/other-sites/, which
> #>>carries links to relevant (not endorsed) external sites, including those
> #>>of Ernst Zundel, ARA, and the JDL (I haven't even heard of Jerusalem One,
> #>>but I'll take your word for it), none of which Nizkor particularly loves. 
> #>>
> #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom/lies/
> #>>
> #>>#>     Other than this, I commend McVay for his treatment here.
> #>>
> #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/mcvay.ken and
> #>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-07/15/031L-071596-idx.html
> #>>
> #>>Or, log on to "Freedom-Lover" Marc Lemire's "Digital Freedom" BBS or buy
> #>>his "Freedom" CD-ROM (or, better yet, ask me for a FREE copy -- really --
> #>>you think I want to CENSOR this shit? it's outrageous fun for the whole
> #>>family) and find several files concerning McVay and friends in the
> #>>People\Leftists, People\Traitors, and People\Jews directories. I was
> #>>soooooooo disappointed not to find myself, but maybe I'll make the next
> #>>version.
> #>
> #>Liar.  Your not giving away free CDs!  Prove it.  I doubt you'd be honest
> #>in making unabridged copies without slander.  You prepend the Zndelgrams
> #>with complete lists of subscribers for the sake of harrassing them.
> #>Your not on the CD because your still a nobody.  Try harder.  Maybe you'll
> #>be listed when your arrested or your belongings are seized for
> #>discovery.
> #>
> #>>-rich
> #>#>[blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> #>#>censor the internet!
> http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> #>
> #>Boring.  Proves the high quality of the National Alliance's writings.
> #>
> #>#>boycott fadetoblack!
> http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm
> #>
> #>Win95 sucks!
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> #>
> #>   What is X10? [1][LINK] 
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   X10 is a powerline carrier protocol that allows compatible devices
> #>   throughout the home to communicate with each other via the existing
> #>   110V wiring in the house. Using X10 it is possible to control lights,
> #>   and virtually any other electrical device from anywhere in the house
> #>   with no additional wiring.
> #>   
> #>  To obtain remote or automated control of a light or appliance:
> #>  
> #>   1) Plug the lamp/appliance into the socket in the base of the lamp or
> #>   appliance module.
> #>   
> #>   2) Plug the module into any 110V wall receptacle.
> #>   
> #>   [2][LINK] 
> #>   
> #>   3) Use a small screwdriver to set the house and unit code dials to
> #>   create a unique address for the module. Up to 256 unique "addresses"
> #>   are available.
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   [3][LINK] 
> #>   
> #>   4) Plug "transmitters" such as the mini controller into any other 110V
> #>   wall receptacle.
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   5) Set the House Code and the transmitter to match the module.
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   You're done! You now have remote control over the lamp/appliance.
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   If your light/appliance is currently being controlled by a wall
> #>   switch, simply replace that switch with the appropriate X10 compatible
> #>   wallswitch. Put together any combination of modules, switches,
> #>   controllers, and timers that you want, anywhere in your home. Add
> #>   additional units anytime you want. All X10 compatible products work
> #>   together.
> #>   
> #>                                 HOW IT WORKS!
> #>                                       
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   X10 is a powerline carrier communications "language" that allows
> #>   compatible products to talk to each other via the existing 110V
> #>   electrical wiring in the home. No costly rewiring is necessary.
> #>   
> #>   X10 "Transmitter" devices send a coded low voltage signal that is
> #>   superimposed over the 110V AC current. Any X10 "Receiver" device
> #>   plugged into the household 110V power supply will see this signal.
> #>   However, the "Receivers" will only respond when it sees a signal that
> #>   has its "address". Up to 256 different addresses are available. If you
> #>   want more than one device to respond to the same signal, simply set
> #>   them to the same addresses. X10 devices can be categorized into 3
> #>   distinct groups:
> #>     * Transmitters
> #>     * Receivers
> #>     * Transmitter/Receivers (2 Way X10 devices)
> #>       
> #>  [4]Questions and Answers about X10
> #>  
> #>   
> #>   
> #>   [5][LINK] 
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   [6]X10 Image Map
> #>     _________________________________________________________________
> #>   
> #>   [7]Home | [8]SEARCH | [9]Part Number List | [10]Feedback | [11]FREE
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shoval@eskimo.com writes:

> If you,your family or someone you know owned real property in Poland -
> BIG MONEY COULD BE WAITING FOR YOU.
> Billions of dollars in unclaimed properties are about to be siezed and
> condemned soon by the Polish Government if the legal owners do not
> claim it.
> Most properties were owned by jews, are located in the city of Krakow,
> and the average property value today is $200,000 to $2,000,000.
> Relatives or survivors who can qualify as hairs for these properties
> should take action now. An experienced local legal team has already
> helped many. If the legal owners (the government has lists of those)
> cannot be found, it will become govt. property and sold to current
> residents or others.

Whoever is responsible for this scam, will have to face the
wrath of the Polish people, the wrath of the world white
community.


































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joelr@winternet.com writes:

> In article <4t8d2r$fap@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:
> 
> It's all very simple.   If somebody can't immediately produce a citation Les 
> demands, that's because it doesn't exist.  If they can, it's irrelevant.  If 
> two people describe something even trivially differently, that's because 
> whichever one Les chooses is lying.  If two people agree, it's a conspiracy.  
> If there's no evidence whatsoever for it, it's a well-concealed conspiracy.  
> 
> 
> Joel Rosenberg   |  joelr@winternet.com  |  http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the 
> hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the 
> appalling silence of the good people.
>                         -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 08:05:09 PDT 1996
Article: 51012 of alt.discrimination
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:55:04 UTC
Subject: Re: Les the Genius
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mvanalst@rbi.com writes:

> In article <120309Z24071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > mvanalst@rbi.com writes:
> > 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > One of the good guys.  Contrary to all the other "American"
> > opponents of Stalinism, he recognised Jews were also on the
> > bad side.  He wasn't like Robert Conquest and Sakharov, etc.,
> > who took advantage of the terror to promote Judiasm.  Check
> > out the page in Gulag II where there's six pictures of Jews,
> > all evil, such as Yagoda, head of the OGPU, and Frenkel, a
> > camp chief.  Yagoda's predecessor, name starts with an M.,
> > and his successor, Yezhov, and his successor, Lavrenti Beria,
> > were Jewish.  Joseph Stalin married Jewish as his second or
> > third wife, and his airhead daughter Svetlana is half Jewish.
> > (She was cute as a kid, however.)
> 
> Hmmm. I think we all can guess which side of the "line" that this
> Vyshinsky character is on: the fruit 'n' nuts side.

Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.

> Mark
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 08:05:10 PDT 1996
Article: 51099 of alt.discrimination
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:35:24 UTC
Subject: Re: Les the Genius
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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article <090309Z26071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.
> 
> Really? ALL JEWS?! Fascinating.
>  
> And your source for this piece of idiocy is... ?

Mark Alstine, Andrew Mathis, Joel Rosenberg and Mike Beebe proved it.

> Sara
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po
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>      Walt Whitman



















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 08:07:24 PDT 1996
Article: 53942 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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101741.3115@compuserve.com writes:

> Why are you on alt.online-service.compuserve?  Who are you readlly?
> 
> I know that the German government twisted CompuServe's arm to drop
> some 200 kiddy porn newsgroups.  So are you suggesting that the German
> and Canadian governments will twist ISP arms again to drop Nazi and
> other hate discussions off Usenet?  Are you suggesting McVay is a Nazi
> lover?

Without eternal vigilance, it will happen here, since bad people
are in power.  And it's best for racists to oppose censorship in
any format, because the ruling African/Asian race would inevitably
use a censorship law, say a law against child porn.  For example,
it would have been inevitable that the CDA law would have
eventually been applied to racism, as "indecent," or "kiddie porn,"
because of "lack of scientific, literary, artistic, religious or
political merit," according to the ruling classe's mouthpiece, the
media monopoly.

> Background:  In Germany you can't go to the local bookstore or library
> and read any of Hitler's works anymore than you can kiddy porn.  "Mein
> Kamp" is not available for sale to the public in Germany.  As an

These were forced by the Allies, who threatened to renew World
War II if Germany tried to lift the restrictions on racism.
Germans are supposed to quietly accept the extermination of
the 600,000,000, and have very few children so that they may
die by attrition, as scumbag Asians turn Europe into Asia,
proving that there are no white countries anywhere in the world.
The existence of a white country must be created by fighting
for it with racism.  Sympathies with colour can only be created
through racism, as Germany did to Japan.

> American living in Germany these past 10 years, I've found that
> Germans have fewer civil rights than US citizens in USA.  (There would
> be even fewer with the Nazi trash in power.)  There are trade offs

It's impossible for you to know if Nazi's are trash or not,
because it's impossible for you to review the Nazi politics
in the frigid political climate of Germany.  The ONLY reason
Germany strictly censors Nazi politics, is because Neo-Nazism
is inherent in the German genotype.  Germany has a massive
police apparatus for suppressing the racism of the German
people.  No doubt that Adolf Hitler's My War is illegal in
Germany because it would be believed in by the German people
if it were legal.

> living here.  The beer is better here.  Sports facilities are much
> better, except hot water in the showers.  Americans are better with
> providing lots of hot water.
> 
> It seems that McVay wants to educate us on neo-Nazi racism by giving
> us easy access to their racist materials.  He is like a preacher who
> tells you all about the devil.  He challenges not only Nazi hate but
> indirectly governmental hate as well.   Apparently certain governments
> don't like this.

There is a Nizkor mirror in Germany itself, where anti-racist
laws are strictly enforced.  Technically, Ken McVay is breaking
the law and should be deported to Germany for his serious crimes
of distributing Neo-Nazi propaganda.

> For more info on McVay and the Nizkor Project see "NetGuide" magazine,
> August 1996, pg 34-.   Nizkor Project has a web site.  See if you can
> find it.

All coverage of racism in any format in the mass media is biased.
The ruling class takes the stance of should we attack racists
violently, or should we allow their politics legally, so we can
destroy them in other ways?  Invariably, the media monopoly is
anti-racist, or else it would be violently shut down by
capitalists, who are in the same boat as coloured people.

> Respectfully
> 
> James Sindberg
> \\\\\\\\////////
> 
> My computer downloaded this message from an572010@anon.penet.fi
> (Vyshinsky) who wrote:
> >When Ken McVay etc. is charged with distributing illegal materials,
> >will they give in or fight the charges, if so, on what grounds?
> >There's an opportunity for the Nizkor gang to serve the public as
> >anti-censorship activists if they choose to fight the charges.
> >I mean we're talking about long terms here, for their organized
> >criminal activites in Canada and Germany, at least, considering
> >that their offenses are more extensive than Gerhard Lauck's.  And
> >Canada and Germany are going to quite angry that they we're tricked
> >by an organized gang of Neo-Nazis distributing illegal Nazi para-
> >phernalia.
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> >May the road rise to meet you.
> >May the wind be always at your back.
> >May the sun shine warm upon your face,
> >the rain fall soft upon your fields,
> >and until we meet again,
> >may God hold you in the palm of His hand.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 12:40:45 PDT 1996
Article: 53965 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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demos@interaccess.com writes:

> >On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:48:33, demos@interaccess.com (DEMOS) wrote:
> 
> >>In article <100414Z24071996@anon.penet.fi> an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) 
> 
> >>>snip
> 
> >>If you dont know the "blueprint" for the bomb was in that book you didnt read 
> >>it! McVeigh IS a racist and did distribute and preach that book. 
> 
> >        The prosecution alleges that he had some interest in that book.  The REASON
> >for the interest has yet to be made public.  One of the rather interesting
> >points is that if the FBI thinks they have a case for a person being racist,
> >they shout to any media who will listen as in the Randy Weaver case.  They
> >have made no such claim in this case.  
> 
> >There is no 
> >>CIA plot to blow up the building, the guy clearly did it with fertilizer and 
> >>fuel with a tnt igniter im sure, 
> 
> >        Mr. Bomb Expert, how do you ignite the TNT?  Presuming you mean dynamite that
> >it.  And if not, where does one get TNT?  Or will you whip up some in your
> >basement?  
> 
> Your right! I am a bomb expert! In fact (and this I shouldnt be saying but im 
> going to anyway) I am not only an expert on bombs but have been arrested in 
> the past by the federal government and interagatted by the ATF for 10 hours! 
> (by the way, I can whip some tnt up in my basement if I had a basement) After 
> being caught with about 300 pounds of flash powder and 20 pounds of f15 lift 
> powder not to mention the 100 feet of det cord (yellow with the black stripes! 
> the good stuff!) and 50 blasting caps and a bottle of nitro (home made!) and 
> lets not forget the homemade C4 too! they were a little interested in finding 
> out who trained me on how to make it and how to use it. But it doesnt matter 
> what I said to them for the fact that the guy who did train me and a close 
> friend is now dead (not from his bombs but a bic lighter exploded in his face 
> as he was lighting a cigar! how ironic!) as for getting the tnt just go to any 
> construction site in a way rural area (easy to find when you see the signs "no 
> radio transmissions from this point on "blasting zone") (or did you think they 
> took the tnt home with them and put it under their bed to keep it safe?) and 
> break into the contruction shed and there it is! (make sure its not leaking 
> though! one drip on the floor can ruin your whole day!) in any case do you 
> think I would reply to something that I didnt know anything about! Anyway all 
> I can tell you is when im in the mood im ALOT OF FUN AT 4TH OF JULY 
> PARTIES!..........later

Do you know what the details of the alleged bomb making intructions
in the Turner Diaries?  The only phrases in the entire book that
could be construed as bomb making instructions are on page 36:

[...] ammonium nitrate, [...] : forty-four 100-lb. bags of the stuff.
Sensitized with oil and tightly confined, it makes an effective
blasting agent.

That's it.  Do you really think these "instructions" contain
suffienct data for constructing sophisticated bombs, or any
bombs for that matter?

> >>if the CIA was to do it they would use C4 and 
> >>dupont (tm) caps and wrap that whole thing in det cord just to make it look 
> >>good. The way he did it was so simple any farmer could tell you the recipe or 
> >>just read the book! And futhermore, posting the book would of course be a 
> >>copyright violation so thats out of the question,also why make it easy for 
> >>someone to read in usenet, 
> 
> >        The Anarchist Cookbook is a Clinton era hippie cookbook.  
> >        
> >        Or were you referring to the 6% by weight fuel oil to ammonium nitrate
> >mixture?  Is there any other information you are missing?  
> 
> 
> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 12:40:47 PDT 1996
Article: 53974 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:45:27 UTC
Subject: Re: Jews wanna be white
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yodaiken@chelm.cs.nmt.edu writes:

> In article <052311Z28071996@anon.penet.fi>,
> Vyshinsky  wrote:
> >The European race, whites, are different from the Asian race, are
> >different from the African race.  Blacks, Mongoloids, and Whites,
> >are different genotypes producing different worlds.
> 
> Sorry, Vyshinsky. Races are a pathetic fiction, a remnant of
> 19th centory pseudo science. And all cultures, unfortunately, 
> produce losers who can't do anything themselves,  yet 
> want the glory of belonging to a "great race" or "great people"
> or whatever  phrase they use for claiming credit for other
> people's accomplishments.

Why do you hate Jews?

> >Jews are Asian
> >with some having a little black in their genotype.
> 
> "Genotype" is a  pretty word, but it actually does have a scientific
> meaning.   Vshyinsky  uses this word  to pretend that he knows something.
> But really learning something requires thought and effort.  
> 
> >>      The root of all evil is ignorance and false belief.
> >>                               --- the Buddha ---            
> 
> Lane, I disagree. Some people are just attracted to evil, ignorance, and
> stupidity by their own nature. The Budda was being nice, he didn't
> really mean it.

Why do you hate Buddha?





























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 12:40:48 PDT 1996
Article: 53979 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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yawen@enter.net writes:

> >   an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) writes:
> 
> >  Elizabeth Dillings also was/is a moderate anti-semite, relatively
> >  clueless, with extraordinarily sloppy facsimile excerts from the
> >  Talmud.
> 
> 	Elizabeth Dilling was a paid agent of the nazis before and during 
> WWII.  Labelling her as a "moderate" is like referring to a thre day old corpse as 
> a living person.

There were moderate national socialists.  Adolf Hitler was a primal
moderate, putting down the radicals who supported him.  Ms. Dilling(s)
was a moderate judging exclusively by one of her books.

> >  Not to defend that scumbag Chaim Weizmann, who helped murder millions
> >  in a capitalist war, and, of course, lied about the aims of WWI.
> >  Herzl was an especially nasty Jew, who created Zionism with the
> >  purported authorship of The Protocols Of The Wise Elders Of Judiasm,
> >  laying out the ground rules for the Jewish community.
> 
> 	Wrong.  The Protocols are a forgery.  Weizmann certainly helped his 

The alleged proof of this, is a couple newspaper articles, and a
trumped up court in Switzerland.  Are you to say that Swiss trial
was fair?  The newspaper articles were hyper political.  After
this "proof" "settled" the argument, the political lobbies were
aflame with hate.

The Protocals are a moderate style, with aims that are now
considered mild: weakening of national borders, weakening of
royalty, free trade, privatization of government banks,
promotion of elections, rule by morality, the abolishment of
liberalism, free markets, racial integration, the breakup
of empires, etc. all considered mainstream goals, if not
already fully accomplished.  But they were extreme at the
time, which threatened anti-semitism over Jews if people
were to learn that this was Jewish ideaology.

> country during a war.  Whether or not you like the war is irrelevant to your 

How could anybody like the war?  It was fought for market
principles, with lying propaganda about a master race on one
side, and making the world safe for democracy on the other.

> writings which allege:

Atheist said these things, I just meant that he supported the
war, and for selfish reasons:

> 	1.  That he helped divert attention from the war.
> 
> 	2.  That Palestine was "occupied" in the period 1910-1920.
> 
> 	Both of these are inaccurate.  About the type of basic errors one 
> would expect from anybody who believes in the Protocols.

He hasn't stated belief in the authenticity of the Protocols.

> 	--YFE
> 



























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walt@walt.com writes:

> For the past several days, this individual, using the anon.penet anonymous
> forwarding system, has been flooding the newsgroup soc.culture.jewish with
> irrelevant, race-baiting articles.  Quite frequently, as in the case of
> this article, the author does not add anything to the article.  It appears
> that he is simply trying to flood the newsgroup and prevent others from
> being able to post to it.
> 
> The content of these messages and their titles are in violation of the
> group's charter.  In addition, the author's excessive use of bandwidth is
> a violation of usenet protocol. 
> 
> Please lend your assistance in curbing this individual's usenet abuse.
> 
> Thank you. 

These articles are in retaliation for the violent, threatening
and profane articles posted by mvanalst@rbi.com, fresh@panix.com,
stukafox@best.com, blakkr@ix.netcom.com, mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca,
llurch@stanford.edu, jeannek@rio.com, baddab@sprynet.com and a dozen
or so others who are flooding the alt.politics.white-power newsgroup
with as much as 100+ articles a day of claims that we are "child
molestors," "inbred," "murderers," "rapists," "idiots," etc. as the
polite examples state, in an effort to intimidate readers from the
newsgroup.  Complaints to their ISP's are not effective enough,
because we are "only racist subhumans."  Therefore, the solution to
these efforts by the enemies of the group, is to crosspost their
articles to soc.culture.jewish, so they can suffer repurcussions for
their harrassment.  This situation will not change, as I am starting to
encourage others to follow through, untill the systematic harrassment of
the newsgroup is stopped.  Soc.culture.jewish patrons should be aware of
the degrees of untruth, and violent threats, and net abuse committed by
Jewish opponents of the existence of alt.politics.white-power, and that
if that newsgroup is destroyed, we will move directly to other large well
propagated newsgroups like soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel,
news.groups, news.admin.net-abuse.misc, talk.politics.mideast,
alt.config, etc.

> In article <164319Z27071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > mvanalst@rbi.com writes:
> > 
> > > In article <140318Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> > > 
> > > #>llurch@stanford.edu writes:
> > > #>
> > > #>>If you just want to take a load off, skip this and go to the hilarious
> > > #>>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> > > #>
> > > #>Treating race like a consumer product.  A one joke parody that proves
> > > #>the high quality writing originating from the National Alliance:
> > > #>
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [1]NATIONAL APPLIANCE GOALS
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   o [2]White Enamel Living Space
> > > #>       o [3]A White Enamel Society
> > > #>       o [4]A Responsible Government
> > > #>       o [5]A New Production System
> > > #>       o [6]An Economic Policy Based on Radical Principles
> > > #>       o [7]Return to "What is..." Main Page
> > > #>       o [8]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>       
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Our goals follow from this world view, and like it they are
> > > #>   evolutionary. That is, our goals for the next decade are steps on the
> > > #>   way to our goals for the next quarter-century, which in turn are steps
> > > #>   on the way to the things we want to achieve a century from now, and so
> > > #>   on. It may seem unrealistic for us to describe in detail the type of
> > > #>   world we are aiming at a millennium or even a century hence, because,
> > > #>   although we know the principles which must govern that world, we
> > > #>   cannot be sure exactly how they will be realized. Not only are there
> > > #>   the uncertainties of fortune, but we expect to learn from our
> > > #>   experiences and to modify accordingly the ways in which we implement
> > > #>   our principles.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Nevertheless, it is useful to have a concrete picture now of the world
> > > #>   for which we are striving, even though we understand that this picture
> > > #>   will evolve, and its details will change. If we think of the world
> > > #>   that we want to forge from the ruins of the present world, we might
> > > #>   fix our sights on things as we would make them a quarter-century
> > > #>   hence, after our enemies have been vanquished, the strife of
> > > #>   revolution has subsided, and the spiritual and physical debris of this
> > > #>   era has been cleared away. We can then describe, at least in outline,
> > > #>   certain essential features that new world must have.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>  They are, in brief:
> > > #>  
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [9]
> > > #>   
> > > #>White Enamel Living Space
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In spiritually healthier times our ancestors took as theirs those
> > > #>   parts of the world suited by climate and terrain to our product line:
> > > #>   in particular, all of Europe and the temperate zones of the Americas,
> > > #>   not to mention Australia and the southern tip of Africa. This was our
> > > #>   service area and our distribution area, and it must be so again. After
> > > #>   the sickness of "multifunctionalism," which is destroying America,
> > > #>   Britain, and every other nation in which it is being promoted, has
> > > #>   been swept away, we must again have a fashionably clean area of the
> > > #>   earth for the further development of our product line. We must have
> > > #>   White Enamel schools, White Enamel residential neighborhoods and
> > > #>   recreation areas, White Enamel workplaces, White Enamel farms and
> > > #>   countryside. We must have no non-White Enamels in our living space,
> > > #>   and we must have open space around us for expansion.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We will do whatever is necessary to achieve this White Enamel living
> > > #>   space and to keep it White Enamel. We will not be deterred by the
> > > #>   difficulty or temporary unpleasantness involved, because we realize
> > > #>   that it is absolutely necessary for our product line's survival. The
> > > #>   long-term demographic trend toward a darker world which the disastrous
> > > #>   policies of the last century have caused must not only be halted; it
> > > #>   must be reversed.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [10]Return to "What is" Directory
> > > #>   [11]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [12]
> > > #>   
> > > #>A White Enamel Society
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We must have new societies throughout the White Enamel world which are
> > > #>   based on White Enamel values and are compatible with the White Enamel
> > > #>   nature. We do not need to homogenize the White Enamel world: there
> > > #>   will be room for Almond societies, Cream societies, Wheat societies,
> > > #>   Ecru societies, and so on, each with its own roots, traditions, and
> > > #>   service contract. What we must have, however, is a thorough rooting
> > > #>   out of Harvest Gold, Avocado Green and other non-White Enamel values
> > > #>   and customs everywhere. We must once again provide the sort of social
> > > #>   and spiritual environment in which our own product line can express
> > > #>   itself in dishwashing, in defrosting and broiling, in fonduing, in
> > > #>   washing and ironing, in waffle-making, and in the life-styles of the
> > > #>   Appliances.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In specific terms, this means a society in which young Appliances
> > > #>   gather to revel in blending or chopping, grinding or ice-crushing
> > > #>   (optional attachment may be necessary), or any other White Enamel
> > > #>   settings, but never to frappe' or puree in the manner of the Avocado
> > > #>   product. It means countertops without In-The-Shell-Egg-Scramblers and
> > > #>   bathrooms without the Electric Comb. It means films in which the
> > > #>   appearance of any non-White Enamel faceplate on the screen is a sure
> > > #>   sign that what's being shown is either archival newsreel footage or a
> > > #>   historical drama about the bad, old days. It means neighborhoods,
> > > #>   schools, work groups, and universities in which there is a feeling of
> > > #>   family and comradeship, of a shared manufacturer and a shared service
> > > #>   center. It means a sense of rootedness, which in turn engenders a
> > > #>   sense of responsibility and energizes a moral compass, so that
> > > #>   products once again know instinctively what is wholesome and natural
> > > #>   and what is degenerate and alien. It means spiritual energy coming
> > > #>   from the Outlet and unencumbered by superstition or dogma, soaring
> > > #>   free and reaching far above today's advertiser-ridden,
> > > #>   Consumer-Product-Safety-Commission-bound spirituality.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [13]Return to "What is" Directory
> > > #>   [14]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [15]
> > > #>   
> > > #>A Responsible Government
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We must have a government wholly committed to the service life of our
> > > #>   product line and subject to no non-White Enamel influence. It must be
> > > #>   a government guided by fixed principles, yet able to respond in a
> > > #>   flexible way to challenges and opportunities. It must be structured
> > > #>   and organized in a way suited to its purpose of safeguarding and
> > > #>   advancing the product line, and it must be as immune to corruption and
> > > #>   subversion as artificial intelligence can make it.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In America we have had ample experience with two tendencies in
> > > #>   government. During the first century or so of the American republic,
> > > #>   we had a government which to a large degree embodied the principle
> > > #>   that the best government is the least government, reflecting the
> > > #>   general distrust of governments which was shared by many of the
> > > #>   framers of the U.S. Constitution. This government provided for the
> > > #>   national defense, for the mails, and for a number of other functions
> > > #>   more or less helpful or necessary to the orderly existence of the
> > > #>   Household, but it interfered relatively little in the lives of its
> > > #>   Appliances and left most of them to take care of their personal needs
> > > #>   in the way they saw fit.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   With the growth of mass marketing, the rise in the influence of the
> > > #>   retail chain or SuperStore on public opinion, and the insinuation of
> > > #>   the Advertisers into a position of control over the media, the U.S.
> > > #>   government was gradually transformed into the malignant monster it is
> > > #>   today: the single most dangerous and destructive enemy our product
> > > #>   line has ever known.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Many classic products look back fondly at the government as it was in
> > > #>   its first phase, when it was less democratic and less intrusive in the
> > > #>   lives of Appliances. Perhaps the time will come when we can afford to
> > > #>   have a minimal government once again, but that time lies in the remote
> > > #>   future. The fact is that we need a strong, centralized government
> > > #>   spanning several continents to coordinate many important tasks during
> > > #>   the first few decades of a White Enamel world: the cleansing of the
> > > #>   land (preferably with warm soapy water and a soft rag or sponge), the
> > > #>   rooting out of tasteless institutions (like Martha Stewart's Good
> > > #>   Living, Family Circle, and WIRED Magazine) and the reorganization of
> > > #>   society on a new basis.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The central task of a new government will be to reverse the tasteless
> > > #>   devolutionary course of the last few decades and keep it reversed: a
> > > #>   long-term reengineering program involving at least the entire
> > > #>   Appliance populations of Europe and America. Such a task is
> > > #>   necessarily intrusive, and it will require large-scale organization.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The structural details of a new government are important, but they are
> > > #>   not a matter of principle. One might even get the job done by
> > > #>   continuing with mass democracy, simply by replacing the people who
> > > #>   control the mass media with animatronic dummies, and perhaps that is a
> > > #>   reasonable way to proceed during a transitional period. It appears to
> > > #>   be working, albeit slowly. In the long run, however, we want an honest
> > > #>   government, not one which hides behind the carefully managed illusion
> > > #>   that tens of millions of voters are its real rulers. A government of
> > > #>   and by politicians is not only grossly inefficient, it remains too
> > > #>   susceptible to rust and corrosion, regardless of who controls the
> > > #>   organs of public opinion.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We need a government every branch of which is staffed by products
> > > #>   carefully selected and trained for their responsibilities, not by
> > > #>   products who are merely liars with a Top Brown Only feature. We need a
> > > #>   government of products who actually respect that government, and whose
> > > #>   attitude toward its mission is essentially religious: a government
> > > #>   more like a holy order than like any existing secular government
> > > #>   today. It might not be too much to say that the most important single
> > > #>   institution in the government we want will be the one which selects,
> > > #>   trains, and tests the products who will be the judges and the
> > > #>   legislators and the executives in that government people who will be
> > > #>   more like secular priests in their behavior and their attitude toward
> > > #>   their work than like today's politicians and bureaucrats. The
> > > #>   institution which prepares these products for their work must be
> > > #>   incorruptible and single-minded, with our principles engraved in the
> > > #>   souls of its programmers.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [16]Return to "What is" Directory
> > > #>   [17]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [18]
> > > #>   
> > > #>A New Production System
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   A proper production system serves three purposes: it passes a product
> > > #>   line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage from generation
> > > #>   to generation; it teaches skills and techniques; and it guides the
> > > #>   character development of products from prototype to major Appliance.
> > > #>   The first purpose is served by teaching facts and ideas: language,
> > > #>   history, science, ethics, and so on.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The second purpose is served by teaching the prototype or young
> > > #>   product how to do things which will be useful to himself and/or
> > > #>   society: how to play a pleasing chime when finished, how to toast, how
> > > #>   to continually defrost, how to rinse and hold, how to top brown only,
> > > #>   how to mix, chop, blend, frappe' and puree, how to dispense ice and
> > > #>   cold water, how to make bread, how to vacuum carpet, how to process
> > > #>   food, how to juice.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The third purpose is served by challenging, testing, conditioning: by
> > > #>   forcing the prototype to exercise his will, to discipline himself, to
> > > #>   endure discomfort, wear, abuse, and neglect, to accept a program and
> > > #>   carry it out, to overcome fears, to accept responsibility, to be
> > > #>   truthful, to avoid accidental shock that may lead to injury or death,
> > > #>   and generally to develop and strengthen those unique selling points
> > > #>   valued by a healthy White Enamel society.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The present production system in America completely neglects the third
> > > #>   purpose and does poorly with the first two, even in those fortunate
> > > #>   areas not yet encumbered with an appreciable "multifunctional"
> > > #>   contingent. The most important reason for its poor performance is that
> > > #>   it has lost any clear understanding of purpose. In order to pass on a
> > > #>   product line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage, it must
> > > #>   first know the answer to the question: Which product line's heritage?
> > > #>   Today such a question is Politically Incorrect and therefore not
> > > #>   admissible.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Even half a century ago, before it became Politically Incorrect to
> > > #>   understand that the heritage to be passed on is White Enamel, there
> > > #>   was no depth of purpose. The reason for passing on the White Enamel
> > > #>   heritage is not just to help young products qualify for upscale
> > > #>   marketing or become better product placement items. It is to instill
> > > #>   in them a consciousness of what it means to be White Enamel - a
> > > #>   product line consciousness - and thereby to make product line
> > > #>   patriots of them. Facts and ideas have a spiritual component, and this
> > > #>   component must be emphasized in the production process.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   There certainly will be sexual and occupational specialization in the
> > > #>   second area of production activity, and sexual specialization in the
> > > #>   third. Even in the first area, prototypes undoubtedly will be
> > > #>   separated according to ability: not every prototype needs to learn
> > > #>   Greek and Latin and the infinitesimal calculus to acquire a feeling
> > > #>   for his product line and its ways. Nevertheless, a proper production
> > > #>   system should provide a common body of knowledge and understanding
> > > #>   shared by everyone, so that every member of the society has a fully
> > > #>   developed sense of product. The prototype who aims at becoming a
> > > #>   toaster should read Kirby, at least in translation, and the prototype
> > > #>   who plans to vacuum carpet should understand what it means to be a
> > > #>   good toaster, at least to the extent of trying his beater bar at it.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   It is by pursuing the third purpose, however, that a new production
> > > #>   system will make the most radical contribution to White Enamel
> > > #>   society. Production which concerns itself with the development of the
> > > #>   whole product and focuses as strongly on forming product identity as
> > > #>   on imparting aesthetic or adding features dates back to ancient
> > > #>   Greece, and it enjoyed an all-too-brief revival earlier this century
> > > #>   in National Socialist Germany, before being outlawed by the advocates
> > > #>   of planned obsolescence. Today planned obsolescence rules throughout
> > > #>   the White Enamel world. "Production" is something which takes place
> > > #>   only in designated buildings for a few hours on prescribed days, under
> > > #>   conditions approaching chaos. Inside or outside these buildings,
> > > #>   discipline is minimal. Prototypes grow up in a world without standards
> > > #>   of performance, without clear guidelines for safe operation, without
> > > #>   any strong source of 60-Hz, 110-volt single-phase power. We see the
> > > #>   products of this system all around us: too many weak, underpowered
> > > #>   products and too many tacky, poorly-coordinated Appliances; a general
> > > #>   lack of significant features and selling point; a self-indulgent
> > > #>   product line without self-discipline or inner strength, restlessly
> > > #>   seeking "brand loyalty."
> > > #>   
> > > #>   By ensuring that each prototype built to our product line grows into
> > > #>   the strongest, most capable, most responsible, and most conscious
> > > #>   future Appliance that his OEM components make possible, we will gain
> > > #>   an enormous advantage over any product line without such a production
> > > #>   system.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [19]Return to "What is" Directory
> > > #>   [20]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [21]
> > > #>   
> > > #>An Economic Policy Based on Radical Principles
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   There are two fundamental criteria which must be used for judging each
> > > #>   and every governmental intervention in economic matters. They are,
> > > #>   first, the long-range welfare and progress of the product line; and
> > > #>   second, human nature. Which is to say that in evaluating any economic
> > > #>   policy we must ask ourselves two questions: Will this policy
> > > #>   ultimately be beneficial or detrimental to the quality of our product
> > > #>   line? And is it in accord with consumer buying behavior?
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We look first at the technological effects of a policy and insist that
> > > #>   they must be positive - or at least not negative - and then we insist
> > > #>   that the policy be based on a clear and realistic understanding of
> > > #>   buying patterns, so that it is workable.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We can understand better the significance of these two principles if
> > > #>   we consider briefly two quite different economic systems, Marxism and
> > > #>   laissez-faire capitalism.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Marxist economics has human happiness rather than technological
> > > #>   progress as its ostensible aim, and it is based on assumptions that
> > > #>   are at odds with reality and with human nature. It aims at providing
> > > #>   material comfort for everyone, more or less equally. It cannot even
> > > #>   admit the possibility of technological progress, because that implies
> > > #>   that some product lines are inherently superior to others and that
> > > #>   some directions of development are more desirable than other
> > > #>   directions.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Whether one prefers the Marxist goal of the greatest happiness for the
> > > #>   greatest number or the National Appliance goal of stronger, wiser, and
> > > #>   more durable Appliances is a matter of one's values. It was not on its
> > > #>   choice of values that Marxism foundered. however, but on its refusal
> > > #>   to recognize the fact of product differentiation and the nature of
> > > #>   human motivation. When people are not permitted to work for their own
> > > #>   profit and advancement, they do not work well; and when a society's
> > > #>   leaders do not attain their positions through their own merit, that
> > > #>   society is likely to be ill led.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In contrast to the Marxist system, we recognize the need to permit
> > > #>   brands to compete, to reap the fruits of their labor, and to exercise
> > > #>   leadership according to their demonstrated ability. They will work
> > > #>   harder and more efficiently and will order themselves in a hierarchy
> > > #>   of ability. The result will be a stronger, higher quality, and longer
> > > #>   lasting with more features and a higher profit margin. There will of
> > > #>   course, be those products who will not work or whose natural abilities
> > > #>   are such that they cannot compete effectively. Rather than following
> > > #>   the Marxist path of robbing the successful in order to reward the
> > > #>   unsuccessful (brand scavenging), we must take measures to ensure that
> > > #>   society's discontinued products do not multiply and become more
> > > #>   numerous in later generations.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The laissez faire capitalist system provides another illustrative
> > > #>   contrast. Under such a system the society as a whole has no goals:
> > > #>   there are only the goals of individual products. The capitalist
> > > #>   system, like ours, provides strong incentives for products: the
> > > #>   durable, attractive, and clever rise and prosper, and the weak,
> > > #>   chintzy, and stupid remain at the bottom. Leaders tend to be
> > > #>   capable-at least, in the capitalist economic environment, with its
> > > #>   special conditions.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Without a unifying principle, however, a capitalist society easily can
> > > #>   fall prey to certain inherent weaknesses. One of these weaknesses is
> > > #>   the instability which leads the well-marketed to become advertised
> > > #>   more heavily and the obscure to become more obscure, not solely
> > > #>   because of differences in marketing but because brand loyalty gives
> > > #>   the possessor an enormous advantage in the competition for greater
> > > #>   market share. When brand loyalty is the only motivation in a product
> > > #>   line, those who already are well-placed can arrange things to favor
> > > #>   themselves: they can buy the legislation they want, and they can block
> > > #>   threats to their power in ways which may be destructive to the welfare
> > > #>   of Appliances as a whole. They can hold down the price of labor, limit
> > > #>   healthy competition within the economy, and exploit the environment
> > > #>   without regard for the long-range consequences. They can also buy
> > > #>   wholesale and cut out the vital middleman.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The overly rigid social stratification resulting from unrestricted
> > > #>   capitalism can lead to endemic brand hostility and even to brand
> > > #>   warfare. It can slow technological progress by making the ability to
> > > #>   acquire and hold market share the supreme survival trait.
> > > #>
> > > #>   [The copyright and patent laws restrain progress a great deal, too.]
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We need an economic system which, in contrast to Marxism, allows
> > > #>   products to succeed in proportion to their capability and energy, but
> > > #>   which, in contrast to capitalism, does not allow them to engage in
> > > #>   economically or aesthetically harmful activity, such as stifling
> > > #>   competition or importing non White Enamel products. We need to
> > > #>   structure our economic system so that it cannot fall prey to the
> > > #>   instability of capitalism. We need to maintain social flexibility, so
> > > #>   that capable and energetic products always have the possibility of
> > > #>   rising. We need to ensure that brand loyalty does not have the
> > > #>   possibility of changing society's rules to suit itself. The way to
> > > #>   achieve and maintain an economic system which meets these criteria is
> > > #>   to design and govern the system subject to the supreme principle: the
> > > #>   ultimate aim of all economic policy is technological progress.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [22]Back to top of page
> > > #>   [23]Return to "What is..." Directory
> > > #>   [24]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
> > > #>>
> > > #>>>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> > > #>>>
> > > #>>#>     An interesting post by McVay. On the surface it appears to be
> > > #>>>honest statement, from a freedom lovers stance, but there are a few
> > > #>>>things that could use pointing out.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>Tom Moran, freedom-lover?
> BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
> > > #>>
> > > #>>#>     Within his condemnation he singles out Ernst Zundel as an example
> > > #>>>of a "hate" site. Though there may be indeed racist pages out there,
> > > #>>>that would express the dictionary definition of "hate", Zundel would
> > > #>>>not fit in as an example.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>Search DejaNews for articles by zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org -- messages to
> > > #>>his supporters that illustrate the REAL Ernst Zundel. They're so
> evil it's
> > > #>>funny. It helps that they also tend to be incredibly inane. The one about
> > > #>>the Yahooligans Conspiracy is the crowd favorite. 
> > > #>
> > > #>Your diary would make the Zndelgrams look pretty good.  Your a fiend
> > > #>for posting them however, your hatred for poor Ingrid.
> > > #>
> > > #>>See also http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/
> > > #>>
> > > #>>#>     Nizkor also carries links to oragnizations it endoreses, which we
> > > #>>>could point out have a "hate" air about them. The JDL for one, the
> > > #>>>ARA, and Jeruselem One. There are probably others, which I haven't
> > > #>>>checked.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>I believe he is referring to http://www.nizkor.org/other-sites/, which
> > > #>>carries links to relevant (not endorsed) external sites, including those
> > > #>>of Ernst Zundel, ARA, and the JDL (I haven't even heard of Jerusalem One,
> > > #>>but I'll take your word for it), none of which Nizkor particularly
> loves. 
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom/lies/
> > > #>>
> > > #>>#>     Other than this, I commend McVay for his treatment here.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/mcvay.ken and
> > >
> #>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-07/15/031L-071596-idx.html
> > > #>>
> > > #>>Or, log on to "Freedom-Lover" Marc Lemire's "Digital Freedom" BBS or buy
> > > #>>his "Freedom" CD-ROM (or, better yet, ask me for a FREE copy -- really --
> > > #>>you think I want to CENSOR this shit? it's outrageous fun for the whole
> > > #>>family) and find several files concerning McVay and friends in the
> > > #>>People\Leftists, People\Traitors, and People\Jews directories. I was
> > > #>>soooooooo disappointed not to find myself, but maybe I'll make the next
> > > #>>version.
> > > #>
> > > #>Liar.  Your not giving away free CDs!  Prove it.  I doubt you'd be honest
> > > #>in making unabridged copies without slander.  You prepend the Zndelgrams
> > > #>with complete lists of subscribers for the sake of harrassing them.
> > > #>Your not on the CD because your still a nobody.  Try harder.  Maybe you'll
> > > #>be listed when your arrested or your belongings are seized for
> > > #>discovery.
> > > #>
> > > #>>-rich
> > > #>#>[blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> > > #>#>censor the internet!
> > > http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> > > #>
> > > #>Boring.  Proves the high quality of the National Alliance's writings.
> > > #>
> > > #>#>boycott fadetoblack!
> > > http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm
> > > #>
> > > #>Win95 sucks!
> > > #>
> > > #>
> > > #>
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 13:01:01 PDT 1996
Article: 63887 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: racist misunderstanding
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cbruellmann@access.ch writes:

> a few days ago i spotted a racist statement in a new-group. i couldn't 
> let this go uncommented so i reposted the message with my commentary 
> "arschloch" (=asshole in german) at the top. i also complained to the 
> anonimous mail-server that had forwarded the posting.
> some people seem to have misunderstood my meaning, therefore i want to 
> state herewith:
> I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY RACIST MESSAGES!
> I DO NOT CONSIDER ANY RACE SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> CBRUELLMANN@ACCESS.CH

I made the post out of retaliation of the systematic
destruction of the newsgroup alt.politics.white-power
by Jewish opponants of existance of the newsgroup,
such as joelr@winternet.com, stukafox@best.com,
jeannek@rio.com, fresh@panix.com, llurch@stanford.edu,
mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, etc. who violently
threaten patrons of the newsgroup, intimidating
readers away.  Do you want to be threatened with rape,
homicide, firing, harassment by telephone, mail,
to home, employers, profressors, etc. for merely
posting your opinions, even if they are controversial,
to the proper and belonging newsgroup?  Well, you will
be, as every harassing post initiated by the above and
the dozen or so others involved in the scheme to
eliminate alt.politics.white-power, will be crossposted
to soc.culture.jewish, and you can witness for yourself
the untruths, threats and harassments by your own kind
practice when drunkenly getting carried away.  Complaints
to admins don't work, as we are "subhuman racist hate
artists."  And if our group is fully destroyed, we'll
simply move our racist posts to some other large popular
well carried newsgroup, such as soc.culture.jewish.
I and others promise to include accurate identification
of the net abusers at the beginning of the posts.



























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 16:30:30 PDT 1996
Article: 53996 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: "Choice" between Silence and Prison
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu writes:

> Vyshinsky (an572010@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
> : jamie@voyager.net write:
> 
> : > Just to set the record straight -- according to Lenski's book, there was
> : > indeed a court-imposed gag order after the 1985 trial.  But after the
> : > 1988 trial, Zuendel was sentenced to nine months of prison;  a few days
> : > later, the judge agreed to release him on bail for the duration on the
> : > condition that he not speak about the Holocaust.  Zuendel _agreed_ to
> : > these latter terms, so I'm hard-pressed to call that latter act a case
> : > of censorship.  He had, after all, been tried and convicted in court --
> : > albeit under a stupid law -- and the sentence he was given did not
> : > require him to be silent.  He opted to take the deal and has no right to
> : > complain about its terms.
> : 
> : No right to complain, eh?  You call a "choice" between imprisonment and
> : silence to be a real choice?  I call it force, by the force of the
> : government.
> 
> I'm afraid I have to agree with this.
> 
> : > I will repeat that, if Lenski's summary is correct, the gag order after
> : > the 1985 trial was something I cannot agree with, for the same reasons I
> : > cannot agree with the law under which he was convicted.
> : 
> : Do you think he was dishonored, wronged?  Shouldn't he be pardoned,
> : shouldn't the government and Jewish community apologise to the
> : aggrieved?
> 
> He was wronged; it's impossible, however, for a man who's so thoroughly
> dishonored himself to be further dishonored.  The government should
> correct the wrong in some way.  I fail to see, though, why "the Jewish
> community" should apologize to Zundel.  This was, was it not, a law
> of Canada, and not of "the Jewish community"?

That's just a reaction to the fact that Jewish organizations like
the SWC and ADL like to make public figures make apologies.  I
don't expect them to do it, no matter how much a segment of the
Jewish community was responsoble for his prosecution, and nothing
would be gained by it, because anti-semites aren't powerful.

> Bill

BTW, have you decided whether you are Jewish and/or Black?
You've made both claims, however neither are directly relevent
to your opinions, I suspect.

























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 16:30:31 PDT 1996
Article: 54027 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: Skinheads are braindead redneck hillbillie assholes
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hkatz@earth.usa.net writes:

> In article <070317Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>,
> Vyshinsky (an572010@anon.penet.fi) whines:
> 
> 	Jews are the fault of everything.
> 
> This comment from the person who complained about name-calling.

It's a sign of my steady Judification by people like you.
You have no one to blame but yourself.

> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> It is sinful to hate, but noble to pardon.
> 	-- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

See?  Gentiles know more about Judiasm than Jews, we're the ones
who follow the Talmud, like Madison Peters.  You punk anti-semite!
























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 16:56:16 PDT 1996
Article: 37426 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: mvanalst@rbi.com a nazi asshole
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walt@walt.com writes:

> For the past several days, this individual, using the anon.penet anonymous
> forwarding system, has been flooding the newsgroup soc.culture.jewish with
> irrelevant, race-baiting articles.  Quite frequently, as in the case of
> this article, the author does not add anything to the article.  It appears
> that he is simply trying to flood the newsgroup and prevent others from
> being able to post to it.
> 
> The content of these messages and their titles are in violation of the
> group's charter.  In addition, the author's excessive use of bandwidth is
> a violation of usenet protocol. 
> 
> Please lend your assistance in curbing this individual's usenet abuse.
> 
> Thank you. 

These articles are in retaliation for the violent, threatening
and profane articles posted by mvanalst@rbi.com, fresh@panix.com,
stukafox@best.com, blakkr@ix.netcom.com, mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca,
llurch@stanford.edu, jeannek@rio.com, baddab@sprynet.com and a dozen
or so others who are flooding the alt.politics.white-power newsgroup
with as much as 100+ articles a day of claims that we are "child
molestors," "inbred," "murderers," "rapists," "idiots," etc. as the
polite examples state, in an effort to intimidate readers from the
newsgroup.  Complaints to their ISP's are not effective enough,
because we are "only racist subhumans."  Therefore, the solution to
these efforts by the enemies of the group, is to crosspost their
articles to soc.culture.jewish, so they can suffer repurcussions for
their harrassment.  This situation will not change, as I am starting to
encourage others to follow through, untill the systematic harrassment of
the newsgroup is stopped.  Soc.culture.jewish patrons should be aware of
the degrees of untruth, and violent threats, and net abuse committed by
Jewish opponents of the existence of alt.politics.white-power, and that
if that newsgroup is destroyed, we will move directly to other large well
propagated newsgroups like soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel,
news.groups, news.admin.net-abuse.misc, talk.politics.mideast,
alt.config, etc.

> In article <164319Z27071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > mvanalst@rbi.com writes:
> > 
> > > In article <140318Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> > > 
> > > #>llurch@stanford.edu writes:
> > > #>
> > > #>>If you just want to take a load off, skip this and go to the hilarious
> > > #>>http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> > > #>
> > > #>Treating race like a consumer product.  A one joke parody that proves
> > > #>the high quality writing originating from the National Alliance:
> > > #>
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [1]NATIONAL APPLIANCE GOALS
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   o [2]White Enamel Living Space
> > > #>       o [3]A White Enamel Society
> > > #>       o [4]A Responsible Government
> > > #>       o [5]A New Production System
> > > #>       o [6]An Economic Policy Based on Radical Principles
> > > #>       o [7]Return to "What is..." Main Page
> > > #>       o [8]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>       
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Our goals follow from this world view, and like it they are
> > > #>   evolutionary. That is, our goals for the next decade are steps on the
> > > #>   way to our goals for the next quarter-century, which in turn are steps
> > > #>   on the way to the things we want to achieve a century from now, and so
> > > #>   on. It may seem unrealistic for us to describe in detail the type of
> > > #>   world we are aiming at a millennium or even a century hence, because,
> > > #>   although we know the principles which must govern that world, we
> > > #>   cannot be sure exactly how they will be realized. Not only are there
> > > #>   the uncertainties of fortune, but we expect to learn from our
> > > #>   experiences and to modify accordingly the ways in which we implement
> > > #>   our principles.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Nevertheless, it is useful to have a concrete picture now of the world
> > > #>   for which we are striving, even though we understand that this picture
> > > #>   will evolve, and its details will change. If we think of the world
> > > #>   that we want to forge from the ruins of the present world, we might
> > > #>   fix our sights on things as we would make them a quarter-century
> > > #>   hence, after our enemies have been vanquished, the strife of
> > > #>   revolution has subsided, and the spiritual and physical debris of this
> > > #>   era has been cleared away. We can then describe, at least in outline,
> > > #>   certain essential features that new world must have.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>  They are, in brief:
> > > #>  
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [9]
> > > #>   
> > > #>White Enamel Living Space
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In spiritually healthier times our ancestors took as theirs those
> > > #>   parts of the world suited by climate and terrain to our product line:
> > > #>   in particular, all of Europe and the temperate zones of the Americas,
> > > #>   not to mention Australia and the southern tip of Africa. This was our
> > > #>   service area and our distribution area, and it must be so again. After
> > > #>   the sickness of "multifunctionalism," which is destroying America,
> > > #>   Britain, and every other nation in which it is being promoted, has
> > > #>   been swept away, we must again have a fashionably clean area of the
> > > #>   earth for the further development of our product line. We must have
> > > #>   White Enamel schools, White Enamel residential neighborhoods and
> > > #>   recreation areas, White Enamel workplaces, White Enamel farms and
> > > #>   countryside. We must have no non-White Enamels in our living space,
> > > #>   and we must have open space around us for expansion.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We will do whatever is necessary to achieve this White Enamel living
> > > #>   space and to keep it White Enamel. We will not be deterred by the
> > > #>   difficulty or temporary unpleasantness involved, because we realize
> > > #>   that it is absolutely necessary for our product line's survival. The
> > > #>   long-term demographic trend toward a darker world which the disastrous
> > > #>   policies of the last century have caused must not only be halted; it
> > > #>   must be reversed.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [10]Return to "What is" Directory
> > > #>   [11]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [12]
> > > #>   
> > > #>A White Enamel Society
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We must have new societies throughout the White Enamel world which are
> > > #>   based on White Enamel values and are compatible with the White Enamel
> > > #>   nature. We do not need to homogenize the White Enamel world: there
> > > #>   will be room for Almond societies, Cream societies, Wheat societies,
> > > #>   Ecru societies, and so on, each with its own roots, traditions, and
> > > #>   service contract. What we must have, however, is a thorough rooting
> > > #>   out of Harvest Gold, Avocado Green and other non-White Enamel values
> > > #>   and customs everywhere. We must once again provide the sort of social
> > > #>   and spiritual environment in which our own product line can express
> > > #>   itself in dishwashing, in defrosting and broiling, in fonduing, in
> > > #>   washing and ironing, in waffle-making, and in the life-styles of the
> > > #>   Appliances.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In specific terms, this means a society in which young Appliances
> > > #>   gather to revel in blending or chopping, grinding or ice-crushing
> > > #>   (optional attachment may be necessary), or any other White Enamel
> > > #>   settings, but never to frappe' or puree in the manner of the Avocado
> > > #>   product. It means countertops without In-The-Shell-Egg-Scramblers and
> > > #>   bathrooms without the Electric Comb. It means films in which the
> > > #>   appearance of any non-White Enamel faceplate on the screen is a sure
> > > #>   sign that what's being shown is either archival newsreel footage or a
> > > #>   historical drama about the bad, old days. It means neighborhoods,
> > > #>   schools, work groups, and universities in which there is a feeling of
> > > #>   family and comradeship, of a shared manufacturer and a shared service
> > > #>   center. It means a sense of rootedness, which in turn engenders a
> > > #>   sense of responsibility and energizes a moral compass, so that
> > > #>   products once again know instinctively what is wholesome and natural
> > > #>   and what is degenerate and alien. It means spiritual energy coming
> > > #>   from the Outlet and unencumbered by superstition or dogma, soaring
> > > #>   free and reaching far above today's advertiser-ridden,
> > > #>   Consumer-Product-Safety-Commission-bound spirituality.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [13]Return to "What is" Directory
> > > #>   [14]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [15]
> > > #>   
> > > #>A Responsible Government
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We must have a government wholly committed to the service life of our
> > > #>   product line and subject to no non-White Enamel influence. It must be
> > > #>   a government guided by fixed principles, yet able to respond in a
> > > #>   flexible way to challenges and opportunities. It must be structured
> > > #>   and organized in a way suited to its purpose of safeguarding and
> > > #>   advancing the product line, and it must be as immune to corruption and
> > > #>   subversion as artificial intelligence can make it.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In America we have had ample experience with two tendencies in
> > > #>   government. During the first century or so of the American republic,
> > > #>   we had a government which to a large degree embodied the principle
> > > #>   that the best government is the least government, reflecting the
> > > #>   general distrust of governments which was shared by many of the
> > > #>   framers of the U.S. Constitution. This government provided for the
> > > #>   national defense, for the mails, and for a number of other functions
> > > #>   more or less helpful or necessary to the orderly existence of the
> > > #>   Household, but it interfered relatively little in the lives of its
> > > #>   Appliances and left most of them to take care of their personal needs
> > > #>   in the way they saw fit.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   With the growth of mass marketing, the rise in the influence of the
> > > #>   retail chain or SuperStore on public opinion, and the insinuation of
> > > #>   the Advertisers into a position of control over the media, the U.S.
> > > #>   government was gradually transformed into the malignant monster it is
> > > #>   today: the single most dangerous and destructive enemy our product
> > > #>   line has ever known.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Many classic products look back fondly at the government as it was in
> > > #>   its first phase, when it was less democratic and less intrusive in the
> > > #>   lives of Appliances. Perhaps the time will come when we can afford to
> > > #>   have a minimal government once again, but that time lies in the remote
> > > #>   future. The fact is that we need a strong, centralized government
> > > #>   spanning several continents to coordinate many important tasks during
> > > #>   the first few decades of a White Enamel world: the cleansing of the
> > > #>   land (preferably with warm soapy water and a soft rag or sponge), the
> > > #>   rooting out of tasteless institutions (like Martha Stewart's Good
> > > #>   Living, Family Circle, and WIRED Magazine) and the reorganization of
> > > #>   society on a new basis.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The central task of a new government will be to reverse the tasteless
> > > #>   devolutionary course of the last few decades and keep it reversed: a
> > > #>   long-term reengineering program involving at least the entire
> > > #>   Appliance populations of Europe and America. Such a task is
> > > #>   necessarily intrusive, and it will require large-scale organization.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The structural details of a new government are important, but they are
> > > #>   not a matter of principle. One might even get the job done by
> > > #>   continuing with mass democracy, simply by replacing the people who
> > > #>   control the mass media with animatronic dummies, and perhaps that is a
> > > #>   reasonable way to proceed during a transitional period. It appears to
> > > #>   be working, albeit slowly. In the long run, however, we want an honest
> > > #>   government, not one which hides behind the carefully managed illusion
> > > #>   that tens of millions of voters are its real rulers. A government of
> > > #>   and by politicians is not only grossly inefficient, it remains too
> > > #>   susceptible to rust and corrosion, regardless of who controls the
> > > #>   organs of public opinion.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We need a government every branch of which is staffed by products
> > > #>   carefully selected and trained for their responsibilities, not by
> > > #>   products who are merely liars with a Top Brown Only feature. We need a
> > > #>   government of products who actually respect that government, and whose
> > > #>   attitude toward its mission is essentially religious: a government
> > > #>   more like a holy order than like any existing secular government
> > > #>   today. It might not be too much to say that the most important single
> > > #>   institution in the government we want will be the one which selects,
> > > #>   trains, and tests the products who will be the judges and the
> > > #>   legislators and the executives in that government people who will be
> > > #>   more like secular priests in their behavior and their attitude toward
> > > #>   their work than like today's politicians and bureaucrats. The
> > > #>   institution which prepares these products for their work must be
> > > #>   incorruptible and single-minded, with our principles engraved in the
> > > #>   souls of its programmers.
> > > #>   
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> > > #>   [17]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
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> > > #>   
> > > #>A New Production System
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   A proper production system serves three purposes: it passes a product
> > > #>   line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage from generation
> > > #>   to generation; it teaches skills and techniques; and it guides the
> > > #>   character development of products from prototype to major Appliance.
> > > #>   The first purpose is served by teaching facts and ideas: language,
> > > #>   history, science, ethics, and so on.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The second purpose is served by teaching the prototype or young
> > > #>   product how to do things which will be useful to himself and/or
> > > #>   society: how to play a pleasing chime when finished, how to toast, how
> > > #>   to continually defrost, how to rinse and hold, how to top brown only,
> > > #>   how to mix, chop, blend, frappe' and puree, how to dispense ice and
> > > #>   cold water, how to make bread, how to vacuum carpet, how to process
> > > #>   food, how to juice.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The third purpose is served by challenging, testing, conditioning: by
> > > #>   forcing the prototype to exercise his will, to discipline himself, to
> > > #>   endure discomfort, wear, abuse, and neglect, to accept a program and
> > > #>   carry it out, to overcome fears, to accept responsibility, to be
> > > #>   truthful, to avoid accidental shock that may lead to injury or death,
> > > #>   and generally to develop and strengthen those unique selling points
> > > #>   valued by a healthy White Enamel society.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The present production system in America completely neglects the third
> > > #>   purpose and does poorly with the first two, even in those fortunate
> > > #>   areas not yet encumbered with an appreciable "multifunctional"
> > > #>   contingent. The most important reason for its poor performance is that
> > > #>   it has lost any clear understanding of purpose. In order to pass on a
> > > #>   product line's cultural, intellectual, and spiritual heritage, it must
> > > #>   first know the answer to the question: Which product line's heritage?
> > > #>   Today such a question is Politically Incorrect and therefore not
> > > #>   admissible.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Even half a century ago, before it became Politically Incorrect to
> > > #>   understand that the heritage to be passed on is White Enamel, there
> > > #>   was no depth of purpose. The reason for passing on the White Enamel
> > > #>   heritage is not just to help young products qualify for upscale
> > > #>   marketing or become better product placement items. It is to instill
> > > #>   in them a consciousness of what it means to be White Enamel - a
> > > #>   product line consciousness - and thereby to make product line
> > > #>   patriots of them. Facts and ideas have a spiritual component, and this
> > > #>   component must be emphasized in the production process.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   There certainly will be sexual and occupational specialization in the
> > > #>   second area of production activity, and sexual specialization in the
> > > #>   third. Even in the first area, prototypes undoubtedly will be
> > > #>   separated according to ability: not every prototype needs to learn
> > > #>   Greek and Latin and the infinitesimal calculus to acquire a feeling
> > > #>   for his product line and its ways. Nevertheless, a proper production
> > > #>   system should provide a common body of knowledge and understanding
> > > #>   shared by everyone, so that every member of the society has a fully
> > > #>   developed sense of product. The prototype who aims at becoming a
> > > #>   toaster should read Kirby, at least in translation, and the prototype
> > > #>   who plans to vacuum carpet should understand what it means to be a
> > > #>   good toaster, at least to the extent of trying his beater bar at it.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   It is by pursuing the third purpose, however, that a new production
> > > #>   system will make the most radical contribution to White Enamel
> > > #>   society. Production which concerns itself with the development of the
> > > #>   whole product and focuses as strongly on forming product identity as
> > > #>   on imparting aesthetic or adding features dates back to ancient
> > > #>   Greece, and it enjoyed an all-too-brief revival earlier this century
> > > #>   in National Socialist Germany, before being outlawed by the advocates
> > > #>   of planned obsolescence. Today planned obsolescence rules throughout
> > > #>   the White Enamel world. "Production" is something which takes place
> > > #>   only in designated buildings for a few hours on prescribed days, under
> > > #>   conditions approaching chaos. Inside or outside these buildings,
> > > #>   discipline is minimal. Prototypes grow up in a world without standards
> > > #>   of performance, without clear guidelines for safe operation, without
> > > #>   any strong source of 60-Hz, 110-volt single-phase power. We see the
> > > #>   products of this system all around us: too many weak, underpowered
> > > #>   products and too many tacky, poorly-coordinated Appliances; a general
> > > #>   lack of significant features and selling point; a self-indulgent
> > > #>   product line without self-discipline or inner strength, restlessly
> > > #>   seeking "brand loyalty."
> > > #>   
> > > #>   By ensuring that each prototype built to our product line grows into
> > > #>   the strongest, most capable, most responsible, and most conscious
> > > #>   future Appliance that his OEM components make possible, we will gain
> > > #>   an enormous advantage over any product line without such a production
> > > #>   system.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [19]Return to "What is" Directory
> > > #>   [20]Return to National Appliance Main Page
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   [21]
> > > #>   
> > > #>An Economic Policy Based on Radical Principles
> > > #>
> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>   There are two fundamental criteria which must be used for judging each
> > > #>   and every governmental intervention in economic matters. They are,
> > > #>   first, the long-range welfare and progress of the product line; and
> > > #>   second, human nature. Which is to say that in evaluating any economic
> > > #>   policy we must ask ourselves two questions: Will this policy
> > > #>   ultimately be beneficial or detrimental to the quality of our product
> > > #>   line? And is it in accord with consumer buying behavior?
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We look first at the technological effects of a policy and insist that
> > > #>   they must be positive - or at least not negative - and then we insist
> > > #>   that the policy be based on a clear and realistic understanding of
> > > #>   buying patterns, so that it is workable.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We can understand better the significance of these two principles if
> > > #>   we consider briefly two quite different economic systems, Marxism and
> > > #>   laissez-faire capitalism.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Marxist economics has human happiness rather than technological
> > > #>   progress as its ostensible aim, and it is based on assumptions that
> > > #>   are at odds with reality and with human nature. It aims at providing
> > > #>   material comfort for everyone, more or less equally. It cannot even
> > > #>   admit the possibility of technological progress, because that implies
> > > #>   that some product lines are inherently superior to others and that
> > > #>   some directions of development are more desirable than other
> > > #>   directions.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Whether one prefers the Marxist goal of the greatest happiness for the
> > > #>   greatest number or the National Appliance goal of stronger, wiser, and
> > > #>   more durable Appliances is a matter of one's values. It was not on its
> > > #>   choice of values that Marxism foundered. however, but on its refusal
> > > #>   to recognize the fact of product differentiation and the nature of
> > > #>   human motivation. When people are not permitted to work for their own
> > > #>   profit and advancement, they do not work well; and when a society's
> > > #>   leaders do not attain their positions through their own merit, that
> > > #>   society is likely to be ill led.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   In contrast to the Marxist system, we recognize the need to permit
> > > #>   brands to compete, to reap the fruits of their labor, and to exercise
> > > #>   leadership according to their demonstrated ability. They will work
> > > #>   harder and more efficiently and will order themselves in a hierarchy
> > > #>   of ability. The result will be a stronger, higher quality, and longer
> > > #>   lasting with more features and a higher profit margin. There will of
> > > #>   course, be those products who will not work or whose natural abilities
> > > #>   are such that they cannot compete effectively. Rather than following
> > > #>   the Marxist path of robbing the successful in order to reward the
> > > #>   unsuccessful (brand scavenging), we must take measures to ensure that
> > > #>   society's discontinued products do not multiply and become more
> > > #>   numerous in later generations.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The laissez faire capitalist system provides another illustrative
> > > #>   contrast. Under such a system the society as a whole has no goals:
> > > #>   there are only the goals of individual products. The capitalist
> > > #>   system, like ours, provides strong incentives for products: the
> > > #>   durable, attractive, and clever rise and prosper, and the weak,
> > > #>   chintzy, and stupid remain at the bottom. Leaders tend to be
> > > #>   capable-at least, in the capitalist economic environment, with its
> > > #>   special conditions.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   Without a unifying principle, however, a capitalist society easily can
> > > #>   fall prey to certain inherent weaknesses. One of these weaknesses is
> > > #>   the instability which leads the well-marketed to become advertised
> > > #>   more heavily and the obscure to become more obscure, not solely
> > > #>   because of differences in marketing but because brand loyalty gives
> > > #>   the possessor an enormous advantage in the competition for greater
> > > #>   market share. When brand loyalty is the only motivation in a product
> > > #>   line, those who already are well-placed can arrange things to favor
> > > #>   themselves: they can buy the legislation they want, and they can block
> > > #>   threats to their power in ways which may be destructive to the welfare
> > > #>   of Appliances as a whole. They can hold down the price of labor, limit
> > > #>   healthy competition within the economy, and exploit the environment
> > > #>   without regard for the long-range consequences. They can also buy
> > > #>   wholesale and cut out the vital middleman.
> > > #>   
> > > #>   The overly rigid social stratification resulting from unrestricted
> > > #>   capitalism can lead to endemic brand hostility and even to brand
> > > #>   warfare. It can slow technological progress by making the ability to
> > > #>   acquire and hold market share the supreme survival trait.
> > > #>
> > > #>   [The copyright and patent laws restrain progress a great deal, too.]
> > > #>   
> > > #>   We need an economic system which, in contrast to Marxism, allows
> > > #>   products to succeed in proportion to their capability and energy, but
> > > #>   which, in contrast to capitalism, does not allow them to engage in
> > > #>   economically or aesthetically harmful activity, such as stifling
> > > #>   competition or importing non White Enamel products. We need to
> > > #>   structure our economic system so that it cannot fall prey to the
> > > #>   instability of capitalism. We need to maintain social flexibility, so
> > > #>   that capable and energetic products always have the possibility of
> > > #>   rising. We need to ensure that brand loyalty does not have the
> > > #>   possibility of changing society's rules to suit itself. The way to
> > > #>   achieve and maintain an economic system which meets these criteria is
> > > #>   to design and govern the system subject to the supreme principle: the
> > > #>   ultimate aim of all economic policy is technological progress.
> > > #>   
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> > > #>   
> > > #>   
> > > #>     _________________________________________________________________
> > > #>>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
> > > #>>
> > > #>>>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> > > #>>>
> > > #>>#>     An interesting post by McVay. On the surface it appears to be
> > > #>>>honest statement, from a freedom lovers stance, but there are a few
> > > #>>>things that could use pointing out.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>Tom Moran, freedom-lover?
> BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom
> > > #>>
> > > #>>#>     Within his condemnation he singles out Ernst Zundel as an example
> > > #>>>of a "hate" site. Though there may be indeed racist pages out there,
> > > #>>>that would express the dictionary definition of "hate", Zundel would
> > > #>>>not fit in as an example.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>Search DejaNews for articles by zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org -- messages to
> > > #>>his supporters that illustrate the REAL Ernst Zundel. They're so
> evil it's
> > > #>>funny. It helps that they also tend to be incredibly inane. The one about
> > > #>>the Yahooligans Conspiracy is the crowd favorite. 
> > > #>
> > > #>Your diary would make the Zndelgrams look pretty good.  Your a fiend
> > > #>for posting them however, your hatred for poor Ingrid.
> > > #>
> > > #>>See also http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/
> > > #>>
> > > #>>#>     Nizkor also carries links to oragnizations it endoreses, which we
> > > #>>>could point out have a "hate" air about them. The JDL for one, the
> > > #>>>ARA, and Jeruselem One. There are probably others, which I haven't
> > > #>>>checked.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>I believe he is referring to http://www.nizkor.org/other-sites/, which
> > > #>>carries links to relevant (not endorsed) external sites, including those
> > > #>>of Ernst Zundel, ARA, and the JDL (I haven't even heard of Jerusalem One,
> > > #>>but I'll take your word for it), none of which Nizkor particularly
> loves. 
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/moran.tom/lies/
> > > #>>
> > > #>>#>     Other than this, I commend McVay for his treatment here.
> > > #>>
> > > #>>See ftp://ftp.nizkor.org/pub/nizkor/people/m/mcvay.ken and
> > >
> #>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-07/15/031L-071596-idx.html
> > > #>>
> > > #>>Or, log on to "Freedom-Lover" Marc Lemire's "Digital Freedom" BBS or buy
> > > #>>his "Freedom" CD-ROM (or, better yet, ask me for a FREE copy -- really --
> > > #>>you think I want to CENSOR this shit? it's outrageous fun for the whole
> > > #>>family) and find several files concerning McVay and friends in the
> > > #>>People\Leftists, People\Traitors, and People\Jews directories. I was
> > > #>>soooooooo disappointed not to find myself, but maybe I'll make the next
> > > #>>version.
> > > #>
> > > #>Liar.  Your not giving away free CDs!  Prove it.  I doubt you'd be honest
> > > #>in making unabridged copies without slander.  You prepend the Zndelgrams
> > > #>with complete lists of subscribers for the sake of harrassing them.
> > > #>Your not on the CD because your still a nobody.  Try harder.  Maybe you'll
> > > #>be listed when your arrested or your belongings are seized for
> > > #>discovery.
> > > #>
> > > #>>-rich
> > > #>#>[blue-ribbon disclaimer: it's called sarcasm, son, SARCASM]
> > > #>#>censor the internet!
> > > http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
> > > #>
> > > #>Boring.  Proves the high quality of the National Alliance's writings.
> > > #>
> > > #>#>boycott fadetoblack!
> > > http://www.anonymizer.com/http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 28 16:56:18 PDT 1996
Article: 37428 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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cbruellmann@access.ch writes:

> a few days ago i spotted a racist statement in a new-group. i couldn't 
> let this go uncommented so i reposted the message with my commentary 
> "arschloch" (=asshole in german) at the top. i also complained to the 
> anonimous mail-server that had forwarded the posting.
> some people seem to have misunderstood my meaning, therefore i want to 
> state herewith:
> I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY RACIST MESSAGES!
> I DO NOT CONSIDER ANY RACE SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> CBRUELLMANN@ACCESS.CH

I made the post out of retaliation of the systematic
destruction of the newsgroup alt.politics.white-power
by Jewish opponants of existance of the newsgroup,
such as joelr@winternet.com, stukafox@best.com,
jeannek@rio.com, fresh@panix.com, llurch@stanford.edu,
mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, etc. who violently
threaten patrons of the newsgroup, intimidating
readers away.  Do you want to be threatened with rape,
homicide, firing, harassment by telephone, mail,
to home, employers, profressors, etc. for merely
posting your opinions, even if they are controversial,
to the proper and belonging newsgroup?  Well, you will
be, as every harassing post initiated by the above and
the dozen or so others involved in the scheme to
eliminate alt.politics.white-power, will be crossposted
to soc.culture.jewish, and you can witness for yourself
the untruths, threats and harassments by your own kind
practice when drunkenly getting carried away.  Complaints
to admins don't work, as we are "subhuman racist hate
artists."  And if our group is fully destroyed, we'll
simply move our racist posts to some other large popular
well carried newsgroup, such as soc.culture.jewish.
I and others promise to include accurate identification
of the net abusers at the beginning of the posts.



























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:09 PDT 1996
Article: 54059 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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akira@clark.net writes:

> Has there ever been anyone who's compiled a list of rouge ISP's?

Yes, but, unfortunately, every such list includes providers who
merely allow their users to express controversial opinions, rather
than restricting such lists to crooked capitalists.  I deem an ISP
that rejects controversial distribution of radical ideas, to be a
rougue provider that should be sued or kicked of the internet,
whether by the civil or criminal courts, whether from charges filed
by the police, or by private groups or individuals.  Do you?  If
conservative/liberals succeed in censoring radical idea's on the
internet, radicals have no especial reason for not advocating
censorship of the ideas of mainstream society on the internet.
Listen to the ideas on censorship by Ken McVay and Rich Graves,
what they say, rather than what they mean, because what they mean
is the destruction of radical ideas by other means, such as
censorship by business, rather than by government, whether through
civil or criminal courts, or by capitalist decree.


































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:10 PDT 1996
Article: 54085 of alt.revisionism
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I am the idiot Vyshinksy,
Who cowers behind anonymiski.
I vomit abuse,
And am wholly obtuse
And have less sense than a bagel from Minsk(i)



From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:11 PDT 1996
Article: 54105 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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An excerpt from the soc.culture.german FAQ, section 25.3
Archived at http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/

   25.3        Urban Legends In Germany

   ""Once I heard that "Mein Kampf" is forbidden.""

   In Germany, there is no index of forbidden books.  Legally
   speaking, this is a question of copyright laws.
                                               
   The state of Bavaria owns the worldwide publishing rights to  
   Hitler's "Mein Kampf".  They do not grant the right to publish,
   copy, or distribute the book in any form, on paper, electronically,
   or on tape, in an effort to hinder the spread of the book and
   message.  If you get any copy of the book printed **after 1945**,
   it was illegally produced and marketed.                    

   [This is an excellent example of unjust copyright law.  The]
   [white cultural purpose of copyright laws, are the same purpose]
   [as the trademark laws, to protect the creative integrity of]
   [the protected work.]
   [-- The honourable Vyshinsky]


























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:12 PDT 1996
Article: 54116 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:

> In article <194312Z27071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
> >dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> >> In article <065328Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
> >> >dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu writes:
> >> >>In article <031307Z22071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi writes...
> 
> >> >>>Because our society is controlled by Jews.
> >> >>
> >> >>    Of course, how silly of me.  That explains how the Jews got Alan
> >> >>    Dershowitz elected president, then.
> >> > 
> >> >Politicians are controlled by Jews.  It is unnecessary for Jews to be
> >> >president for this to be so.
> >> 
> >>     So they control just about everything except you and your little cadre
> >>     of patriots, huh?
> > 
> >Yes.  That's the sad truth.  Whites are extradinarily weak in the status
> >quo.
> 
>     Well, a good affirmative action program should help you whites  :>
>     You are saying that at 85% of the population (or something close to
>     that), whites can't achieve enough to hold their own in society?  If
>     this is the case then the whites must truly be inferior to the other
>     15% (and most of them are black!)

True quotas would follow an honest census, so Jews would have 2-6% of
the jobs, in each type of job, whether the mass media, logging, prison
guards, professors, businessmen, janitors, garbagemen, soldiers,
policemen, delicatessans, politicians, farmers, tobacco packers, meat
packers, accountants, lawyers, doctors, students, garment workers,
assembly lines, artists, brokers, farm labor, etc., and Black people
would have 16% of the same of each line of profession, Chicanos 15%,
Asians 10%, and Whites 53-57%.  However, none of the racial/ethnic
groups, and none of those types of employments, follow the percentages
of each group in the slightest manner in anything other than occasional
coincidence.  White people would definitely benefit from a true
thorough quota program, as Whites would rise in percentage of
classes like the mass media, lawyers, politicians, brokers, artists,
professors, doctors, businessmen and other positions that are either
powerful or substantially more remunerated than the average white
income.  Notice how the system is saying that "affirmative action
isn't quotas," that is damn straight, we have a "compromise," no
quotas, no fairness, and exploitation of the White race, who are
continually being more heavily worked with the reduction of income.

> >>     Well, in that case if I were you, I'd stock up on canned goods.  :>
> > 
> >Funny how you say "they," but I'll humour you.  Why not fight them?
> 
>     Why not join them?  At close to 85% of the population whites are a
>     significant voting block.  Whites can vote anyone into office they
>     choose.  Whites can start banks and other financial institutions. 
>     Whites can produce TV shows and movies.  Seems to me that whites can do
>     most anything they want in society simply based on their large presence
>     herein.  Why fight?

Whites are only 53-57% of the American population, after substracting
the percentages of colored people, such as the Blacks, the Asians, the
Jews, the Chicanos, etc., who all together have tens of millions of
non-whites fraudulently recorded in the White category, along with
millions of colored people who were not counted by the census,
artificially depressing the percentage of Afro-Asians reported by our
fraud of a census.

> >Anti-semitic theory holds that their self-destruction is inevitable,
> >however, better soon than after the white race becomes extinct, so
> >eventually whites should be able to enjoy a nation without Jews pandering
> >to our weaknesses, or, rather, turning our weaknesses into strengthes,
> >like in the past, but living up to our potentials, without tired old
> >values getting in the way, such as religion sordid with idolatry.
> 
>     huh?

Judeo-Christianity is blasphemous by practicing idolatry, it is that sinful.

>                          daniel david mittleman 
> ===========================================================================
>                      Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:14 PDT 1996
Article: 54117 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: Keeping Neighborhoods Jewish (ADV)
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t08o@unb.ca writes:

> The honourable Vyshinsky wrote:
> 
> > Television is uniformly Jewish, with the same message of
> > extermination of the 600,000,000, so it matters not what
> > you watch, so I watch a little, if I'm not, at least, bored
> > of it already, for examples, the Simpsons, Beavis 'n Butthead,
> > and the Three Stooges.  The sillier stuff is usually less
> > harmful than the lies masquerading as truth, but that's just
> > my feeling at this time.  It's all colored, all Jewish.
> 
> However do you manage to stand "The Simpsons"?  There's

All TV has the same themes, but the news shows and
similiar ilk have the worst effects because their lies
are more likely to be believed in.  I like typo-
graphical media better because it gives much more
detail for skeptical consumers to reach our own
conclusions.

> a charcter who's Jewish and had a show devoted to him,

More than one show, and more than one Jewish charactor.

> another who's East Asian and one who is gay (and another

Two, if you count Barney.

> who had some...umm..."affection" for animals).

I didn't catch that one.  I'm sure the Koreans got off
on that one.

> On the other hand, Beavis and Butthead are definetly in
> your league.

I suppose Beavis and Butthead are supposed to be Southern Jews.
And Stewert are the ignorant WASPs.

> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:15 PDT 1996
Article: 54123 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Keeping Neighborhoods Jewish (ADV)
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Myrslok@mail.wineasy.se writes:

> The honourable Vyshinsky wrote:
> > 
> > Television is uniformly Jewish, with the same message of
> > extermination of the 600,000,000, so it matters not what
> > you watch, so I watch a little, if I'm not, at least, bored
> > of it already, for examples, the Simpsons, Beavis 'n Butthead,
> > and the Three Stooges.  The sillier stuff is usually less
> > harmful than the lies masquerading as truth, but that's just
> > my feeling at this time.  It's all colored, all Jewish.
> 
> Oh yes, it sure is, isn't it? Could you pleas tell exactly how this works 
> practically? Is it Jews who create and produce all TV-shows? Is it Jews 
> who control whichshows that become popular? Is it jews who decide what 
> people like to watch? Is it Jews who controll what is broadcast? Or is 
> the whole thin a bit more abstract, like every single TVshow-creator is 
> under preassure by Jews, or even just influenced by Jewsih culture and 
> thought? Has it ever occured to you that if such a staggering amount of 
> white people (tvproducers and consumers) are happy w/ their 

Minorites produce it and Whites consume it.  Can you prove that the
media is 53-57% White, 16% Black, 15% Chicano, 2-6% Jewish, and
10% Asian?  Contrary to what you have heard about from the lying
mass media, the WASPs do not control America, and Bristish descendants
all together are less than 20% of the populace.

> entertainment, it is perhaps because they really like it, not because 
> Jews force them to like it?

We were forced to like it, we have no choice.

> > > We sure are nefarious.
> > 
> > Your certainly are, for denying the truth to your children.
> 
> I can not understand how such a beautiful word as truth can find it's way 
> into your mouth.
> ////////Piglet
> 
> ****************************************************************************
>                  Http://www.users.wineasy.se/myrslok/
> ****************************************************************************
> 
>              'Piglet,' said Rabbit...'you haven't any pluck.' 
>          'It is hard to be brave,' said Piglet, sniffing slightly, 
>                  'when you're only a Very Small Animal.'
> 
>                                -A. A. Milne
> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:16 PDT 1996
Article: 54124 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:56:02 UTC
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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reverend@iinet.net.au writes:

> evil Beavis  wrote:
> 
> 
> >Problem is, most Americans and other legal residents like me like
> >diversity and would not want some type of racially segregated areas that
> >you propose. I doubt you'll ever see it happen. Get with it instead and
> >work with what we've got.
> 
> Why should a person who is NOT a citizen of a country have any input
> on how that country should be run.  

Race is everything.

> You're not part of America Beavis, you're just a tourist. You may be
> bored with your homogeneous homeland of Sweden,  but thats too bad!!

Sweden has substantial numbers of afro-asians, especially Stockholm,
so stefan@scott.net is mistaken when he says Sweden is homogenous.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> >eB
> 
> 




























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:17 PDT 1996
Article: 54126 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> In article <051320Z28071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honour
> able Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> > > >Your record as a cybersleuth is not great.  Even worse as a free speech
> > > >advocate.  Hypocritical!  So you nearly lost your job simply by posting
> > > >anti-semitic material? 
> > > 
> > > No. Declan tried to spread that rumor, and I quashed it. There is no
> > > truth to his report that the Wiesenthal Center protested the mirror
> > > sites. As you know, they weren't behind the Zundelblocking; in fact,
> > > they condemned it. 
> > 
> > "I am against censorship, so much that I mirrored Zundelsite just
> > to show it, even though I am completely against the things he said,
> > and nearly lost my job because of it."
> > 
> > You e-mailed that to cypherpunks@toad.com, in your own type, not Declan.
> 
> Gee, then how come this isn't on the cypherpunks archives?

Leaker, you didn't look for it, you didn't know what the title is.
It ought to be in there for April or late March, at:
http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/
I forget the title.

> Full headers, please. It might help if you could forge a PGP signature,

I'm an expert, ey?

> too. Yawn. Oh, and the "full context," as you and Matt Giwer say, would
> be helpful.

When you find it, post the full context, as you were responding
to my post, and some others were claiming you were considered socialist.
The cypherpunks archives are not complete, some threads were
skipped such as the frequent {un}subscribe threads.

> Either that, or an admission that you're making this up.
> 
> The only risk was in inappropriately using Stanford resources for a short
> period of time. The content of the material was irrelevant. Anyway, it
> never became an issue, because I moved everything to c2.org before anyone
> in a position of responsibility even knew about it.































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:18 PDT 1996
Article: 54128 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:22:38 UTC
Subject: Re: Keeping Neighborhoods Jewish (ADV)
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

> In article <4teoq9$6qg_002@pool4-029.wwa.com>, hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta
> Thomas) wrote:
> 
> > [newsgroups and followups trimmed]
> > 
> > I have taken the liberty of removing soc.culture.russian, 
> > soc.culture.russia, and soc.culture.jewish from the headers
> > for this thread. Please keep this demogoguery to yourselves. 
> > Sane and sensible people really don't want to hear it. The 
> > whole thread stinks to high heaven.

You are posting opinions that imply you are indeed interested
in the subject matter of this thread.

> "Me too."
> 
> Please edit newsgroups lines whenever you see a post from Skippy.
> People really don't need to see him refuted; he does a pretty good
> job of that himself.

You are posting opinions that imply you are indeed interested
in the subject matter of this thread.

> Followup-To doesn't work because he ignores it.

Your Followup-To: lines are trolling net abuses for reasons already explained.





















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:19 PDT 1996
Article: 54130 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:45:28 UTC
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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stefan@scott.net writes:

> The honourable Vyshinsky wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > * Support the idea of a Constitutional Republic-- This country is
> > > supposed to follow the Constitution as ORGINALLY written unless change
> > > by a constitutional admendment. Although the courts no longer follow
> > > the constitution, Whites are generally ignorant of this fact, and still
> > > believe in the Constitutuion.
> > 
> > Our constitution is obsolete, America is dead, we need a new system
> > controlled by anti-capitalist whites.  There's nothing directly
> > about race in the constitution, but it's value system is Germanic
> > white.
> 
> Okay genius, so please explain to me why it is that the US is based on
> commun law like the UK while most of Europe like Germany is based upon
> French civil law?!! You must be REALLY stupid...

You are preaching ignorance about Euro-Americans.  True Hispanics
are Germanic White, True Anglo-Saxons are Germanic White and true
Swedes are Germanic White.  You are ignorant if you think that
the Germanic tribes that founded the races of all White nations,
have any thing to do with the present Germany's legal system.

> eB

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:20 PDT 1996
Article: 54133 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay and Rich Graves support censorship
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llurch@stanford.edu, cuurently favoring the nym "rich@c2.org" writes:

> In article <142317Z27071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
> 
> > llurch@stanford.edu writes:
> 
> Who? Oh, he means rich@c2.org.
> 
> > > scallon@pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) writes:
> > > >For those of you who do not understand:
> > > >
> > > >Kenneth McVay started the Nizkor Project after he stumbled across Dan
> > > >Gannon's revisionist BBS (denies the Holocaust).  His Nizkor Project
> > > >had millions of byltes of data about the Holocaust and info about the
> > > >revisionists (i.e. Gannon, Les Greaseball, Rich Graves, Kevin Alfred
> > 
> > So Mr. Scallon hates Greaseballs, I.E. the poor?
> > 
> > > >Strom, etc.); He was awarded the Order of British Columbia for his
> > > >work.
> > 
> > The Order of British Columbia is NOTHING.  It is NOT British Columbia,
> > according to Ken McVay it's a private anti-racist group.  It's as
> > meaningful as if he were crowned The King of Siam by the PETA.
> 
> This is, of course, completely untrue. It is the Order of British Columbia.
> 
> > > FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
> > > talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev
> > > is rather open about advocating genocide, today.
> > 
> > You can't prove it, because you can't.
> 
> Well, there is his web page, http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/na2.html#aryan
> I assume you'll be so kind as to post the text.

Why do you think it's his page?  You had pointed out that he didn't
no how to use Netscape, a mere web browser, that I suppose you don't
either, because you were so uncharitable to point out how to cancel
his messages that he accidentally posted, I thought.

BTW, just pointing this out, the White World, is not necessarily the
whole world, the White World is the White segment of the world.
No genocide here:

An Aryan Society                                                         
                                                                         


   must have new societies throughout the White world which are based
   on Aryan values and are compatible with the Aryan nature. We do not
   need to homogenize thc White world: there will be room for Germanic
   societies, Celtic societies, Slavic societies, Baltic societies, and
   so on, each with its own roots, traditions, and language. What we must
   have, however, is a thorough rooting out of Semitic and other      
   non-Aryan values and customs everywhere. We must once again provide
   the sort of social and spiritual environment in which our own nature
   can express itself in music, in art and architecture, in literature,
   in philosophy and scholarship, in the mass media, and in the
   life-styles of the people.

   In specific terms, this means a society in which young men and women
   gather to revel with polkas or waltzes, reels or jigs, or any other
   White dances, but never to undulate or jerk to negroid jazz or rock
   rhythms. It means pop music without Barry Manilow and art galleries
   without Marc Chagall. It means films in which the appearance of any
   non-White face on the screen is a sure sign that what's being shown is
   either archival newsreel footage or a historical drama about the bad,
   old days. It means neighborhoods, schools, work groups, and
   universities in which there is a feeling of family and comradeship, of
   a shared heritage and a shared destiny. It means a sense of
   rootedness, which in turn engenders a sense of responsibility and    
   energizes a moral compass, so that people once again know          
   instinctively what is wholesome and natural and what is degenerate and
   alien. It means spiritual feeling coming from the soul and          
   unencumbered by superstition or dogma, soaring free and reaching far  
   above today 's priest-ridden, church-bound spirituality.     
                                                                       
No genocide above, in contrast to the ruling idealogy's goal of the
global extinction of the White genotype.

> > OTOH, I envision an authoritarian racist government controlling America,
> > secure from violence against race.  The racists will look at the rise
> > of an anti-racist movement as a warning, as a messenger, rather than
> > censor, rather then suppress verbose expressions of dissent, try to
> > correct the problems.
> 
> I see.
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-07/15/031L-071596-idx.html
> > 
> > Which is just a one-sided irrelevent look at online Holocaust, from a
> > low quality one-sided monoploy news media.  You respect This article
> > from the Post?  What crap:
> 
> Well, it didn't say everything I'd have liked it to say, but it's still
> a hell of a lot better than anything else I've seen in print.

I've seen better in The San Francisco Bay Guardian, an anti-racist
weekly newspaper.

























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:21 PDT 1996
Article: 54134 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:47:51 UTC
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fresh@panix.com writes:

> scallon@pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) wrote:
> 
> >For those of you who do not understand:
> 
> >Kenneth McVay started the Nizkor Project after he stumbled across Dan
> >Gannon's revisionist BBS (denies the Holocaust).  His Nizkor Project
> >had millions of byltes of data about the Holocaust and info about the
> >revisionists (i.e. Gannon, Les Greaseball, Rich Graves, Kevin Alfred
> >Strom, etc.); He was awarded the Order of British Columbia for his
> >work.
> 
> Um, Rich Graves isn't a revisionist.

Yes he is, he trips with his spam, sees something and sees it over and over.

> Andrew Mathis
> 
> -------------------------------------
> "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
> "Be wary of the authorities..."
>                 Rabban Gamliel
>                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
> 

























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:22 PDT 1996
Article: 54135 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:55:33 UTC
Subject: Re: Les the Genius
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schwartz@infinet.com writes:

> In article <164309Z27071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > schwartz@infinet.com writes:
> > 
> > > In article <090309Z26071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Jews are child molesters.  Racists will stop Jews.
> > > 
> > > Really? ALL JEWS?! Fascinating.
> > >  
> > > And your source for this piece of idiocy is... ?
> > 
> > Mark Alstine, Andrew Mathis, Joel Rosenberg and Mike Beebe proved it.
> 
> 
> Do you mean Mark Van Alstine?
>  
> Mark, when did you prove that all Jews are child molesters?
>  
> Andrew, when did you prove that all Jews are child molesters?
>  
> Joel, when did you prove that all Jews are child molesters?
>  
> Mike, when did you prove that all Jews are child molesters?
>  
> You didn't prove it? I didn't think so. So, in other words, our little
> anon troll is not only lying, he's slandering the four of you.

Baby, they proved it with their obssession with perverse sexual fantasies,
not least of it, child molesting.

> I'd say this calls for a complaint to abuse@anon.penet.fi
>  
> Sara
> 
> -- 
> "A perfect writer would make words sing, dance, kiss, do the male and female act, bear children, weep, bleed, rage, steal, stab, fire cannon, steer ships, sack cities, charge with cavalry or infantry, or do any thing, that man or woman or the natural po
wers can do."
>      Walt Whitman

























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:22 PDT 1996
Article: 54174 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:47:56 UTC
Subject: Les the genius
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llurch@stanford.edu, currently favoring the nym "rich@c2.org," writes:

> In article <202303Z27071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> > ibokor@metz.une.edu.au writes:
> > > borrowing more oney or rescheduling their debts, they'll by
> > > International Jewry (a wholly owned subsidiary of ZOG) to
> > > declare a boycott of their goods. 
> > 
> > Great!  I think the first racist country SHOULD be boycotted by
> > the rest of the world.  That'll help convince the dreamers in the
> > racist camp who still respect property rights and the global
> > economy.
> 
> "First"? Sorry. Heard of the dream of South Africa?

Run by Jews since 1898.  Ever heard of the Oppenheimers, Lazards, etc.

> > BTW, not all Jews support Israel.  Our government isn't ZOG, its
> > JOG.
> 
> That explains Clinton's exercise habits.
> 
> Followups set.

Your net abusing trolls archived by the public memory.







































































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:06:23 PDT 1996
Article: 54194 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:34:13 UTC
Subject: Re: World Says Anti-Semites Must Die
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llurch@stanford.edu wrote:

> In article <130323Z28071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> > [Complaints to:]
> > []
> > [llurch@stanford.edu]
> 
> How sweet of you to think of me!
> 
> > [Neo-Nazism:]
> > []
> > [http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/]
> > []
> > [-- The honourable Vyshinsky]
> > 
> > July 27, 1996
> 
> Skippy, as you well know, the ZGrams are posted to alt.revisionism and
> alt.fan.ernst-zundel under the *original* subject line. This was article

Sometimes the Subject: line is edited to be insulting.

> <199607278623.AABA294@infinity.c2.org>. If you would like to take over the
> automated posting of the ZGrams, UNEDITED, please let

It doesn't appear automated, and I don't currently have the capacity
to run a cronjob to actually automate the posting.  Besides, I would
ask her directly.  The prependenation and occasionally appended
commentary is insulting.

> zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org know. Otherwise, please post your comments in
> the original thread. There is no reason to post the entire text several
> hours after they have been posted.

Ingrid should post it herself to alt.fan.ernst-zundel.  Ever occur to
you to suggest that to her, instead of insulting her and arrogating
the distribution of the mailing list to yourself?

BTW, Ken McVay, she doesn't necessarily read netnews, someone could
have forwarded occasional articles to her, or got it from Nizkor.























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:36:13 PDT 1996
Article: 37497 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Reply-To: an572010@anon.penet.fi
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 03:13:54 UTC
Subject: Re: racist misunderstanding
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fresh@panix.com writes:

> I'll save you the time, asshole.
> 
> Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com)
> 
> For all you would-be assassins, I live in Brooklyn.

No racists have ever hurt you, and nothing would be gained by acts of
violence against you.  And the notion of censorship of anti-racists
like yourself would be absurd, since your kind rule the world, it would
not be possible to censor such.

> Oh, and btw, I don't post in alt.politics.white-power; some of my
> posts are cross-posted there from alt.politics.nationalism.white or

a.p.n.w is different from a.p.w-p in it's racist goals, but in
the spam-pain of anti-racist versus racist, it is the same, and
should be considered the same by racists.

> from here (soc.culture.jewish).

It would be contrary to racist tactics at this time to crosspost as
assault spam in retaliation to anti-racist assault spam, if the
first abusive post was initiated by someone who is not anti-racist.

> And I'm fully in support of the continued existence of
> alt.politics.white-power.  Morepower to your little circle-jerk.

You are not, it is obvious you are not, by your actions in your
initiations of assault posts to alt.politics.nationalism.white,
and by above explanation, alt.politics.white-power.

> Andrew
> 
> 
> an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> >cbruellmann@access.ch writes:
> 
> >> a few days ago i spotted a racist statement in a new-group. i couldn't 
> >> let this go uncommented so i reposted the message with my commentary 
> >> "arschloch" (=asshole in german) at the top. i also complained to the 
> >> anonimous mail-server that had forwarded the posting.
> >> some people seem to have misunderstood my meaning, therefore i want to 
> >> state herewith:
> >> I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY RACIST MESSAGES!
> >> I DO NOT CONSIDER ANY RACE SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> 
> >> CBRUELLMANN@ACCESS.CH
> 
> >I made the post out of retaliation of the systematic
> >destruction of the newsgroup alt.politics.white-power
> >by Jewish opponants of existance of the newsgroup,
> >such as joelr@winternet.com, stukafox@best.com,
> >jeannek@rio.com, fresh@panix.com, llurch@stanford.edu,
> >mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, etc. who violently
> >threaten patrons of the newsgroup, intimidating
> >readers away.  Do you want to be threatened with rape,
> >homicide, firing, harassment by telephone, mail,
> >to home, employers, profressors, etc. for merely
> >posting your opinions, even if they are controversial,
> >to the proper and belonging newsgroup?  Well, you will
> >be, as every harassing post initiated by the above and
> >the dozen or so others involved in the scheme to
> >eliminate alt.politics.white-power, will be crossposted
> >to soc.culture.jewish, and you can witness for yourself
> >the untruths, threats and harassments by your own kind
> >practice when drunkenly getting carried away.  Complaints
> >to admins don't work, as we are "subhuman racist hate
> >artists."  And if our group is fully destroyed, we'll
> >simply move our racist posts to some other large popular
> >well carried newsgroup, such as soc.culture.jewish.
> >I and others promise to include accurate identification
> >of the net abusers at the beginning of the posts.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:36:15 PDT 1996
Article: 37522 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 03:54:44 UTC
Subject: Re: mvanalst@rbi.com a nazi asshole
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walt@walt.com writes:

> This individual has been flooding the newsgroups mentioned below with very
> large articles for the past several days.  This person's poor excuse for a
> "manifesto" (quoted below) should provide adequate evidence that he is not
> interested in serious dialogue, which is the express purpose for the
> soc.culture hierarchy of usenet groups (the ones that he is flooding). 

Two well propagated racist soc.* newsgroups is a good idea, such as a
newsgroup with all racist {retro}moderator{s}, and a newsgroup that is
unmoderated.  Explicit names are needed, such as soc.racist,
soc.culture.racist, soc.white.racist, soc.culture.white.racist,
soc.politics.racist, soc.culture.european.racist etc., or sci.racist
sci.white.racist, sci.sociology.racist, etc., is required to properly
define the function of the group.  Newsgroups proposed, written, or
moderated by anti-racists, or in any other ways deficient, are not
adequate.

However, we are not capable of having our own appropriate soc.*
newsgroup, for various reasons, not the least are organized spam-
pains by the aforementioned anti-racists, as well as the unpopular
radical ideas of racists.

> Secondly, your anonymous forwarding service is in jeopardy of republishing
> defamatory speech if you continue to provide service to this individual,
> since he seems to be prone to making unsubstantiated claims that certain
> individuals are threatening him (see below).  It would be my

I am not particularly concerned with this as a personal affront,
I'm concerned about the tens of millions of others who are victimized
by anti-racists.  And I should be threatened individually rather than
jeopardize the progress of the anonymizing servers, needed by many
thousands of racists who are in sensitive enough positions in the
corporate or government power apparatus, to be fired, arrested,
assaulted, or even murdered, or otherwise beaten, if discovered to
be a racist.

> recommendation, therefore, that you disassociate yourself from him as
> quickly as possible.  
> 
> Thank you for you assistance in this matter.
>  
> 
> In article <144302Z28071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > These articles are in retaliation for the violent, threatening
> > and profane articles posted by mvanalst@rbi.com, fresh@panix.com,
> > stukafox@best.com, blakkr@ix.netcom.com, mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca,
> > llurch@stanford.edu, jeannek@rio.com, baddab@sprynet.com and a dozen
> > or so others who are flooding the alt.politics.white-power newsgroup
> > with as much as 100+ articles a day of claims that we are "child
> > molestors," "inbred," "murderers," "rapists," "idiots," etc. as the
> > polite examples state, in an effort to intimidate readers from the
> > newsgroup.  Complaints to their ISP's are not effective enough,
> > because we are "only racist subhumans."  Therefore, the solution to
> > these efforts by the enemies of the group, is to crosspost their
> > articles to soc.culture.jewish, so they can suffer repurcussions for
> > their harrassment.  This situation will not change, as I am starting to
> > encourage others to follow through, untill the systematic harrassment of
> > the newsgroup is stopped.  Soc.culture.jewish patrons should be aware of
> > the degrees of untruth, and violent threats, and net abuse committed by
> > Jewish opponents of the existence of alt.politics.white-power, and that
> > if that newsgroup is destroyed, we will move directly to other large well
> > propagated newsgroups like soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel,
> > news.groups, news.admin.net-abuse.misc, talk.politics.mideast,
> > alt.config, etc.

or:

cbruellmann@access.ch writes:

> a few days ago i spotted a racist statement in a new-group. i couldn't 
> let this go uncommented so i reposted the message with my commentary 
> "arschloch" (=asshole in german) at the top. i also complained to the 
> anonimous mail-server that had forwarded the posting.
> some people seem to have misunderstood my meaning, therefore i want to 
> state herewith:
> I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY RACIST MESSAGES!
> I DO NOT CONSIDER ANY RACE SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> CBRUELLMANN@ACCESS.CH

I made the post out of retaliation of the systematic
destruction of the newsgroup alt.politics.white-power
by Jewish opponants of existance of the newsgroup,
such as joelr@winternet.com, stukafox@best.com,
jeannek@rio.com, fresh@panix.com, llurch@stanford.edu,
mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, etc. who violently
threaten patrons of the newsgroup, intimidating
readers away.  Do you want to be threatened with rape,
homicide, firing, harassment by telephone, mail,
to home, employers, profressors, etc. for merely
posting your opinions, even if they are controversial,
to the proper and belonging newsgroup?  Well, you will
be, as every harassing post initiated by the above and
the dozen or so others involved in the scheme to
eliminate alt.politics.white-power, will be crossposted
to soc.culture.jewish, and you can witness for yourself
the untruths, threats and harassments by your own kind
practice when drunkenly getting carried away.  Complaints
to admins don't work, as we are "subhuman racist hate
artists who deserve to die."  And if our group is fully
destroyed, we'll simply move our racist posts to some other
large popular well carried newsgroup, such as soc.culture.jewish.
I and others promise to include accurate identification of the
net abusers at the beginning of the posts.



























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:36:16 PDT 1996
Article: 37534 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 08:07:46 UTC
Subject: An Example Of Censorship By Copyright
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An excerpt from the soc.culture.german FAQ, section 25.3
Archived at http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/

   25.3        Urban Legends In Germany

   ""Once I heard that "Mein Kampf" is forbidden.""

   In Germany, there is no index of forbidden books.  Legally
   speaking, this is a question of copyright laws.
                                               
   The state of Bavaria owns the worldwide publishing rights to  
   Hitler's "Mein Kampf".  They do not grant the right to publish,
   copy, or distribute the book in any form, on paper, electronically,
   or on tape, in an effort to hinder the spread of the book and
   message.  If you get any copy of the book printed **after 1945**,
   it was illegally produced and marketed.                    

   [This is an excellent example of unjust copyright law.  The]
   [white cultural purpose of copyright laws, are the same purpose]
   [as the trademark laws, to protect the creative integrity of]
   [the protected work.]
   [-- The honourable Vyshinsky]


























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:36:17 PDT 1996
Article: 37543 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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reverend@iinet.net.au writes:

> evil Beavis  wrote:
> 
> 
> >Problem is, most Americans and other legal residents like me like
> >diversity and would not want some type of racially segregated areas that
> >you propose. I doubt you'll ever see it happen. Get with it instead and
> >work with what we've got.
> 
> Why should a person who is NOT a citizen of a country have any input
> on how that country should be run.  

Race is everything.

> You're not part of America Beavis, you're just a tourist. You may be
> bored with your homogeneous homeland of Sweden,  but thats too bad!!

Sweden has substantial numbers of afro-asians, especially Stockholm,
so stefan@scott.net is mistaken when he says Sweden is homogenous.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> >eB
> 
> 




























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:36:18 PDT 1996
Article: 37549 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Reply-To: an572010@anon.penet.fi
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:45:28 UTC
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
References: <4t9vhi$p1@news.ecn.bgu.edu> <4tb1at$e3t@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <023314Z28071996@anon.penet.fi> <31FBB5C6.62A2@scott.net>
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stefan@scott.net writes:

> The honourable Vyshinsky wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > * Support the idea of a Constitutional Republic-- This country is
> > > supposed to follow the Constitution as ORGINALLY written unless change
> > > by a constitutional admendment. Although the courts no longer follow
> > > the constitution, Whites are generally ignorant of this fact, and still
> > > believe in the Constitutuion.
> > 
> > Our constitution is obsolete, America is dead, we need a new system
> > controlled by anti-capitalist whites.  There's nothing directly
> > about race in the constitution, but it's value system is Germanic
> > white.
> 
> Okay genius, so please explain to me why it is that the US is based on
> commun law like the UK while most of Europe like Germany is based upon
> French civil law?!! You must be REALLY stupid...

You are preaching ignorance about Euro-Americans.  True Hispanics
are Germanic White, True Anglo-Saxons are Germanic White and true
Swedes are Germanic White.  You are ignorant if you think that
the Germanic tribes that founded the races of all White nations,
have any thing to do with the present Germany's legal system.

> eB

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:39:49 PDT 1996
Article: 72054 of alt.conspiracy
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Subject: A short tutorial in tracking down anti-racist usenet forgers
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Recently I read the following Usenet article, whose contents I did not like:

Path: ...!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!cam-news-feed6.bbnplanet.com!webmaster.vbe.com!seant@vbe.com
From: Cindy@luvcunt.net
Newsgroups: alt.wired,alt.journalism,alt.sex.femdom,alt.sex,news.groups,alt.sex.masturbation,alt.censorship,alt.politics.datahighway,alt.drugs.pot,talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,alt.hemp,talk.politics.guns,alt.sex.anal,alt.sex.breast,alt.sex.erotica,alt.flame.niggers,alt.sex.first-time,alt.sex.girl.watchers,alt.sex.gangbang,alt.sex.girls,alt.sex.movies,alt.sex.oral,alt.sex.wanted,alt.games.duke3d,talk.politics.misc,alt.sex.stories,alt.sex.homosexual,alt.sex.beer-bottle,alt.sex.bestiality,alt.sex.bondage,altsex.breast,alt.sex.cu-seeme,alt.sex.erotica.market.place,alt.sex.erotica.marketplace,alt.sex.exhibitionism,alt.sexalt.sex.oral,alt.sexstories,alt.sexstrip-clubs,alt.sex.video-swap
Subject: Re: OK, Rednecks, stop this Nigger shit!!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 06:43:32 GMT
Organization: Valley Business Equipment
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Message-ID: <4ssg7c$22h@webmaster.vbe.com>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.62.118
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

First there is no such thing as an African-American, africans
sold your ancestors, cause they were weak cowards, and
you can't be an american because you don't want to be
and you're too lazy to work for it...You are just a Nigger,
be what the fuck you are and die...and as for your morals
look at the newsgroup you're in, looking for pictures of
white girls no doubt, I don't blame you, no one likes nigger
pussy...if you really want to be useful, kill yourself, as fertilizer
you'll be worth much more than you are now....


(A proud and loyal American ) wrote:


>I'm not sure how you stupid inbred fucks figured-out how to post on
>the Usenet, but I and millions of others are sick of your mindless
>racist  bullshit.  Yes, I'm an American with naturally dark skin;
>however,  I have never collected welfare, used drugs or done anything
>to deserve the sort of slander I've read in these nigger messages. I
>went to college, I have an excellent job, and I have an excellent
>family with excellent morals.  Think about this, if black people are
>so bad, why are all of child molesters, mass murders, and serial
>killers white???  Without a doubt, it's hate and intolerance that is
>fucking-up this country not African Americans.


>-- A Real American

Disgusting, isn't it, these anti-racist articles?

Note that the anti-racist coward who wrote this inanity did not have the balls
to post under his own name; rather, he forged an obscenity (Cindy@luvc*nt.net)
in the "From:" header. Unfortunately, this is all too easy to do with most
Internet accounts. The anti-racist's hysterical style is very reminiscent of
another usenet forger, Pidor V. Vorobiev, who used to post similar anti-racist
and anti-semitic diatribes from his Lehigh University account. (He claimed to
be a professor and a sysadmin at Lehigh, even though he was just a student.) Mr.
Vorobiev also forged many obscene usenet articles in the names of his many
usenet "enemies", including Mr. D. Vulis and his family members, and then
complained to "enemies'" Internet providers' all too often ignorant admins
about his own forgeries. Mr. Vorobiev also supported the usenet cabal in its
misdeeds.

I will now illustrate to "newbie" usenet readers how one can gather information
about the true identity of the poster from the headers of this inept forgery.

First, I point your attention to these headers:

Path: ...!cam-news-feed6.bbnplanet.com!webmaster.vbe.com!seant@vbe.com
Organization: Valley Business Equipment          ^^^^^^^       ^^^^^^^
Message-ID: <4ssg7c$22h@webmaster.vbe.com>
                                   ^^^^^^^

Issuing the command "/usr/ucb/whois VBE.COM" resulted in two hits:

[No name] (VBE-HST)		VBE.COM				  206.242.16.3
Valley Business Equipment, Inc (VBE-DOM)			       VBE.COM

I needed to be more specific, so I said:

WHOIS VBE-DOM:

Valley Business Equipment, Inc (VBE-DOM)
   3200 North Main ST
   Oshkosh, WI 54902
   US

   Domain Name: VBE.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact:
      Campbell, Doug  (DC1247)  postmaster@VBE.COM
      414-236-6500

   Record last updated on 10-Feb-96.
   Record created on 10-Feb-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NIC.NEAR.NET			192.52.71.4
   NOC.CERF.NET			192.153.156.22

The second hit doesn't really tell us much new:

[No name] (VBE-HST)

   Hostname: VBE.COM
   Address: 206.242.16.3
   System: ? running ?

However yet another telltale header is:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.62.118

This IP address belongs to:

WHOIS NETBLK-MCI-NETBLK-SHELBYNE:

SHELBYNET, INC. (NETBLK-MCI-NETBLK-SHELBYNE)
   113 S. HARRISON ST.
   SHELBYVILLE, IN 46176
   US

   Netname: MCI-NETBLK-SHELBYNE
   Netblock: 206.31.62.0 - 206.31.63.0

   Coordinator:
      Pandak, William  (WP134)  bill@SHELBYNET.NET
      (317) 392-3766

WHOIS SHELBYNET-DOM:

Shelbynet, Inc. (SHELBYNET-DOM)
   113 S. Harrison St..
   Shellbyville, IN 46176
   US

   Domain Name: SHELBYNET.NET

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
      Pandak, William  (WP134)  bill@SHELBYNET.NET
      (317) 392-3766
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Landwerland, Joe  (JL1026)  PANDAK@INETDIRECT.NET
      317 392-3766

   Record last updated on 21-Dec-95.
   Record created on 21-Dec-95.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS.SHELBYNET.NET		206.31.62.10
   NS2.MCI.NET			204.70.57.242

Hmm... Bill is Pandak, but Pandak is Joe, yet they have the same phone number?

Note that one or both of these clues may be red herrings. You can also e-mail
Sig Hecker  *just in case* to complain about Pidor V. Vorobiev.

(Thanks to Igor Chewed-Off for revealing Pidor Vorobiev's whereabouts to us.)
Mr. Vorobiev voted in favor of soc.culture.russian.moderated.

































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:39:51 PDT 1996
Article: 72160 of alt.conspiracy
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Reply-To: an572010@anon.penet.fi
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:56:02 UTC
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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reverend@iinet.net.au writes:

> evil Beavis  wrote:
> 
> 
> >Problem is, most Americans and other legal residents like me like
> >diversity and would not want some type of racially segregated areas that
> >you propose. I doubt you'll ever see it happen. Get with it instead and
> >work with what we've got.
> 
> Why should a person who is NOT a citizen of a country have any input
> on how that country should be run.  

Race is everything.

> You're not part of America Beavis, you're just a tourist. You may be
> bored with your homogeneous homeland of Sweden,  but thats too bad!!

Sweden has substantial numbers of afro-asians, especially Stockholm,
so stefan@scott.net is mistaken when he says Sweden is homogenous.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> >eB
> 
> 




























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:39:52 PDT 1996
Article: 72170 of alt.conspiracy
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:45:28 UTC
Subject: Re: You Can _Never_ Have Too Much Diversity (ADV)
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stefan@scott.net writes:

> The honourable Vyshinsky wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > * Support the idea of a Constitutional Republic-- This country is
> > > supposed to follow the Constitution as ORGINALLY written unless change
> > > by a constitutional admendment. Although the courts no longer follow
> > > the constitution, Whites are generally ignorant of this fact, and still
> > > believe in the Constitutuion.
> > 
> > Our constitution is obsolete, America is dead, we need a new system
> > controlled by anti-capitalist whites.  There's nothing directly
> > about race in the constitution, but it's value system is Germanic
> > white.
> 
> Okay genius, so please explain to me why it is that the US is based on
> commun law like the UK while most of Europe like Germany is based upon
> French civil law?!! You must be REALLY stupid...

You are preaching ignorance about Euro-Americans.  True Hispanics
are Germanic White, True Anglo-Saxons are Germanic White and true
Swedes are Germanic White.  You are ignorant if you think that
the Germanic tribes that founded the races of all White nations,
have any thing to do with the present Germany's legal system.

> eB

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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 14:55:46 PDT 1996
Article: 2104 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Subject: An Example Of Censorship By Copyright
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An excerpt from the soc.culture.german FAQ, section 25.3
Archived at http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/

   25.3        Urban Legends In Germany

   ""Once I heard that "Mein Kampf" is forbidden.""

   In Germany, there is no index of forbidden books.  Legally
   speaking, this is a question of copyright laws.
                                               
   The state of Bavaria owns the worldwide publishing rights to  
   Hitler's "Mein Kampf".  They do not grant the right to publish,
   copy, or distribute the book in any form, on paper, electronically,
   or on tape, in an effort to hinder the spread of the book and
   message.  If you get any copy of the book printed **after 1945**,
   it was illegally produced and marketed.                    

   [This is an excellent example of unjust copyright law.  The]
   [white cultural purpose of copyright laws, are the same purpose]
   [as the trademark laws, to protect the creative integrity of]
   [the protected work.]
   [-- The honourable Vyshinsky]


























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Mon Jul 29 21:05:21 PDT 1996
Article: 54253 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:36:25 UTC
Subject: Re: Nizkor: useful idiots
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fresh@panix.com writes:

> an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> >101741.3115@compuserve.com writes:
> 
> >> Why are you on alt.online-service.compuserve?  Who are you readlly?
> >> 
> >> I know that the German government twisted CompuServe's arm to drop
> >> some 200 kiddy porn newsgroups.  So are you suggesting that the German
> >> and Canadian governments will twist ISP arms again to drop Nazi and
> >> other hate discussions off Usenet?  Are you suggesting McVay is a Nazi
> >> lover?
> 
> >Without eternal vigilance, it will happen here, since bad people
> >are in power.  And it's best for racists to oppose censorship in
> >any format, because the ruling African/Asian race would inevitably
> >use a censorship law, say a law against child porn.  For example,
> >it would have been inevitable that the CDA law would have
> >eventually been applied to racism, as "indecent," or "kiddie porn,"
> >because of "lack of scientific, literary, artistic, religious or
> >political merit," according to the ruling classe's mouthpiece, the
> >media monopoly.
> 
> >> Background:  In Germany you can't go to the local bookstore or library
> >> and read any of Hitler's works anymore than you can kiddy porn.  "Mein
> >> Kamp" is not available for sale to the public in Germany.  As an
> 
> >These were forced by the Allies, who threatened to renew World
> >War II if Germany tried to lift the restrictions on racism.
> >Germans are supposed to quietly accept the extermination of
> >the 600,000,000, and have very few children so that they may
> >die by attrition, as scumbag Asians turn Europe into Asia,
> >proving that there are no white countries anywhere in the world.
> >The existence of a white country must be created by fighting
> >for it with racism.  Sympathies with colour can only be created
> >through racism, as Germany did to Japan.
> 
> Who killed 600,000,000 Germans?  Grand total of German civilian deaths
> during WWII: six million--one for every Jew that was gassed, which
> seems eerily fair.  At any rate, the Germans aren't having a
> zero-population rate forced upon them, are they?

More than that died in the war, fifteen million Germans were killed
in 1945-47.  600,000,000 is the number of Whites in the world,
whom the ruling races are exterminating.

> >> American living in Germany these past 10 years, I've found that
> >> Germans have fewer civil rights than US citizens in USA.  (There would
> >> be even fewer with the Nazi trash in power.)  There are trade offs
> 
> >It's impossible for you to know if Nazi's are trash or not,
> >because it's impossible for you to review the Nazi politics
> >in the frigid political climate of Germany.  The ONLY reason
> >Germany strictly censors Nazi politics, is because Neo-Nazism
> >is inherent in the German genotype.  Germany has a massive
> >police apparatus for suppressing the racism of the German
> >people.  No doubt that Adolf Hitler's My War is illegal in
> >Germany because it would be believed in by the German people
> >if it were legal.
> 
> Mein Kampf is NOT illegal in Germany; students are FORCED to read it
> so that they know why six million of their country men died in a war
> started by an Auschlander madman.

According to the soc.culture.german FAQ, Adolf Hitler's My War is
illegal.

> >> living here.  The beer is better here.  Sports facilities are much
> >> better, except hot water in the showers.  Americans are better with
> >> providing lots of hot water.
> >> 
> >> It seems that McVay wants to educate us on neo-Nazi racism by giving
> >> us easy access to their racist materials.  He is like a preacher who
> >> tells you all about the devil.  He challenges not only Nazi hate but
> >> indirectly governmental hate as well.   Apparently certain governments
> >> don't like this.
> 
> >There is a Nizkor mirror in Germany itself, where anti-racist
> >laws are strictly enforced.  Technically, Ken McVay is breaking
> >the law and should be deported to Germany for his serious crimes
> >of distributing Neo-Nazi propaganda.
> 
> So if I deface public property, should I be deported to Singapore to
> be "caned"?  This is ignoring the fact that Ken is ARCHIVING and not
> DISTRIBUTING material, and that furthermore, more than half of what he
> archives is PROOF that the Holocaust actually happened.

Archiving is exactly what German Neo-Nazis in prison did.
"Distribution" is the same as making available, what both
Nizkor and Neo-Nazis are doing.  Most material in Nizkor
is hate propaganda, anti-Holocaust or racist.

> >> For more info on McVay and the Nizkor Project see "NetGuide" magazine,
> >> August 1996, pg 34-.   Nizkor Project has a web site.  See if you can
> >> find it.
> 
> >All coverage of racism in any format in the mass media is biased.
> >The ruling class takes the stance of should we attack racists
> >violently, or should we allow their politics legally, so we can
> >destroy them in other ways?  Invariably, the media monopoly is
> >anti-racist, or else it would be violently shut down by
> >capitalists, who are in the same boat as coloured people.
> 
> Capitalists and "coloured people" in the same boat.  Tell me, what
> "colour" (you must have been taught by Brits or Canadians) is the sky
> in your world?

Blue as my eyes, white as my skin, and grey as the day your raining
on my parade.

> Andrew
> 
> -------------------------------------
> "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
> "Be wary of the authorities..."
>                 Rabban Gamliel
>                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
> 






























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 08:13:26 PDT 1996
Article: 26383 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 03:13:54 UTC
Subject: Re: racist misunderstanding
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fresh@panix.com writes:

> I'll save you the time, asshole.
> 
> Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com)
> 
> For all you would-be assassins, I live in Brooklyn.

No racists have ever hurt you, and nothing would be gained by acts of
violence against you.  And the notion of censorship of anti-racists
like yourself would be absurd, since your kind rule the world, it would
not be possible to censor such.

> Oh, and btw, I don't post in alt.politics.white-power; some of my
> posts are cross-posted there from alt.politics.nationalism.white or

a.p.n.w is different from a.p.w-p in it's racist goals, but in
the spam-pain of anti-racist versus racist, it is the same, and
should be considered the same by racists.

> from here (soc.culture.jewish).

It would be contrary to racist tactics at this time to crosspost as
assault spam in retaliation to anti-racist assault spam, if the
first abusive post was initiated by someone who is not anti-racist.

> And I'm fully in support of the continued existence of
> alt.politics.white-power.  Morepower to your little circle-jerk.

You are not, it is obvious you are not, by your actions in your
initiations of assault posts to alt.politics.nationalism.white,
and by above explanation, alt.politics.white-power.

> Andrew
> 
> 
> an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> >cbruellmann@access.ch writes:
> 
> >> a few days ago i spotted a racist statement in a new-group. i couldn't 
> >> let this go uncommented so i reposted the message with my commentary 
> >> "arschloch" (=asshole in german) at the top. i also complained to the 
> >> anonimous mail-server that had forwarded the posting.
> >> some people seem to have misunderstood my meaning, therefore i want to 
> >> state herewith:
> >> I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY RACIST MESSAGES!
> >> I DO NOT CONSIDER ANY RACE SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> 
> >> CBRUELLMANN@ACCESS.CH
> 
> >I made the post out of retaliation of the systematic
> >destruction of the newsgroup alt.politics.white-power
> >by Jewish opponants of existance of the newsgroup,
> >such as joelr@winternet.com, stukafox@best.com,
> >jeannek@rio.com, fresh@panix.com, llurch@stanford.edu,
> >mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, etc. who violently
> >threaten patrons of the newsgroup, intimidating
> >readers away.  Do you want to be threatened with rape,
> >homicide, firing, harassment by telephone, mail,
> >to home, employers, profressors, etc. for merely
> >posting your opinions, even if they are controversial,
> >to the proper and belonging newsgroup?  Well, you will
> >be, as every harassing post initiated by the above and
> >the dozen or so others involved in the scheme to
> >eliminate alt.politics.white-power, will be crossposted
> >to soc.culture.jewish, and you can witness for yourself
> >the untruths, threats and harassments by your own kind
> >practice when drunkenly getting carried away.  Complaints
> >to admins don't work, as we are "subhuman racist hate
> >artists."  And if our group is fully destroyed, we'll
> >simply move our racist posts to some other large popular
> >well carried newsgroup, such as soc.culture.jewish.
> >I and others promise to include accurate identification
> >of the net abusers at the beginning of the posts.
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 08:13:27 PDT 1996
Article: 26405 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 03:54:44 UTC
Subject: Re: mvanalst@rbi.com a nazi asshole
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walt@walt.com writes:

> This individual has been flooding the newsgroups mentioned below with very
> large articles for the past several days.  This person's poor excuse for a
> "manifesto" (quoted below) should provide adequate evidence that he is not
> interested in serious dialogue, which is the express purpose for the
> soc.culture hierarchy of usenet groups (the ones that he is flooding). 

Two well propagated racist soc.* newsgroups is a good idea, such as a
newsgroup with all racist {retro}moderator{s}, and a newsgroup that is
unmoderated.  Explicit names are needed, such as soc.racist,
soc.culture.racist, soc.white.racist, soc.culture.white.racist,
soc.politics.racist, soc.culture.european.racist etc., or sci.racist
sci.white.racist, sci.sociology.racist, etc., is required to properly
define the function of the group.  Newsgroups proposed, written, or
moderated by anti-racists, or in any other ways deficient, are not
adequate.

However, we are not capable of having our own appropriate soc.*
newsgroup, for various reasons, not the least are organized spam-
pains by the aforementioned anti-racists, as well as the unpopular
radical ideas of racists.

> Secondly, your anonymous forwarding service is in jeopardy of republishing
> defamatory speech if you continue to provide service to this individual,
> since he seems to be prone to making unsubstantiated claims that certain
> individuals are threatening him (see below).  It would be my

I am not particularly concerned with this as a personal affront,
I'm concerned about the tens of millions of others who are victimized
by anti-racists.  And I should be threatened individually rather than
jeopardize the progress of the anonymizing servers, needed by many
thousands of racists who are in sensitive enough positions in the
corporate or government power apparatus, to be fired, arrested,
assaulted, or even murdered, or otherwise beaten, if discovered to
be a racist.

> recommendation, therefore, that you disassociate yourself from him as
> quickly as possible.  
> 
> Thank you for you assistance in this matter.
>  
> 
> In article <144302Z28071996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
> 
> > These articles are in retaliation for the violent, threatening
> > and profane articles posted by mvanalst@rbi.com, fresh@panix.com,
> > stukafox@best.com, blakkr@ix.netcom.com, mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca,
> > llurch@stanford.edu, jeannek@rio.com, baddab@sprynet.com and a dozen
> > or so others who are flooding the alt.politics.white-power newsgroup
> > with as much as 100+ articles a day of claims that we are "child
> > molestors," "inbred," "murderers," "rapists," "idiots," etc. as the
> > polite examples state, in an effort to intimidate readers from the
> > newsgroup.  Complaints to their ISP's are not effective enough,
> > because we are "only racist subhumans."  Therefore, the solution to
> > these efforts by the enemies of the group, is to crosspost their
> > articles to soc.culture.jewish, so they can suffer repurcussions for
> > their harrassment.  This situation will not change, as I am starting to
> > encourage others to follow through, untill the systematic harrassment of
> > the newsgroup is stopped.  Soc.culture.jewish patrons should be aware of
> > the degrees of untruth, and violent threats, and net abuse committed by
> > Jewish opponents of the existence of alt.politics.white-power, and that
> > if that newsgroup is destroyed, we will move directly to other large well
> > propagated newsgroups like soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel,
> > news.groups, news.admin.net-abuse.misc, talk.politics.mideast,
> > alt.config, etc.

or:

cbruellmann@access.ch writes:

> a few days ago i spotted a racist statement in a new-group. i couldn't 
> let this go uncommented so i reposted the message with my commentary 
> "arschloch" (=asshole in german) at the top. i also complained to the 
> anonimous mail-server that had forwarded the posting.
> some people seem to have misunderstood my meaning, therefore i want to 
> state herewith:
> I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY RACIST MESSAGES!
> I DO NOT CONSIDER ANY RACE SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> CBRUELLMANN@ACCESS.CH

I made the post out of retaliation of the systematic
destruction of the newsgroup alt.politics.white-power
by Jewish opponants of existance of the newsgroup,
such as joelr@winternet.com, stukafox@best.com,
jeannek@rio.com, fresh@panix.com, llurch@stanford.edu,
mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, etc. who violently
threaten patrons of the newsgroup, intimidating
readers away.  Do you want to be threatened with rape,
homicide, firing, harassment by telephone, mail,
to home, employers, profressors, etc. for merely
posting your opinions, even if they are controversial,
to the proper and belonging newsgroup?  Well, you will
be, as every harassing post initiated by the above and
the dozen or so others involved in the scheme to
eliminate alt.politics.white-power, will be crossposted
to soc.culture.jewish, and you can witness for yourself
the untruths, threats and harassments by your own kind
practice when drunkenly getting carried away.  Complaints
to admins don't work, as we are "subhuman racist hate
artists who deserve to die."  And if our group is fully
destroyed, we'll simply move our racist posts to some other
large popular well carried newsgroup, such as soc.culture.jewish.
I and others promise to include accurate identification of the
net abusers at the beginning of the posts.



























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 08:13:28 PDT 1996
Article: 26437 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:03:12 UTC
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djmints@ix.netcom.com writes:

> Vyshinsky wrote:
> > 
> >
> > 
> > So, what's wrong with this?  The white birthrate is suicidally low,
> > white children should be encourage to be created at a high rate.  It's
> > patriotic to bear/sire white children!  The ONLY thing wrong with this
> > situation is the unpatriotic racial integration.  But other than that,
> > it's good news that white children are being born in the military.
> > White children are patriotic!  It's unmanly to not have several white
> > children;  It's unfeminine to not have several white children!  The
> > extermination of the 600,000,000 must be stopped.
> > 
> Are you trying to say that people of non-white heritage cannot be
> patriotic? Well I'll have you know that I am of Hispanic heritage and I
> am extremely patriotic, my father enlisted in the Army within weeks of
> his arrival here in 1963. His brother went to Vietnam in '68. My cousin
> seved in Desert Storm. All of these people were in the military by their
> own will. Our current president was a white child and when his country
> called upon him to serve, he wasn't very patriotic.

It is stated that is it impossible to be patriotic and favor the
extermination of the white race.  The truth is forever unerodable.

































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 09:17:20 PDT 1996
Article: 91806 of alt.censorship
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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<4tgg6s$22u@jerry.loop.net> writes:

> Monthly Posting
> 
> 			FAQ: Internet Users Strike Back at Censors
> 			
> 			      
> 				  
> 
> When people started posting ideas he didn't like, Michael Scheidell
> began deleting posts to the anarchistic world bulletin board USENET
> from his company's Internet presence.  Under the justification that
> the messages were unwanted "spam," or posts sent to too many
> newsgroups, Scheidell deleted almost half of a debate before someone
> noticed.
> 
> However, the someone who noticed told others, who investigated and
> uncovered the bizarre Web of his own that Scheidell was weaving on the
> Internet -- a paranoid conspiracy to strengthen the viability of
> USENET as a commercial medium so that he could sell computer
> equipment, software, consulting, and Bible study guides through the
> 'Net.

This malicious capitalism can be fought by flooding the capitalist
newsgroups like biz.* as an attempt to fight abuse with their own
tools.  If they refuse to give up their censorious capitalism,
the socialist anti-capitalist spam-pain will reduce the commercial
viability of free enterprise on the internet, which is fair,
considering what they are doing to destroy anti-capitalism on
usenet.

> Other posters helped collaborate in the research and eventual Web site
> to publicize the event.  After some deliberation, they decided to call
> for a "boycott of Scheidell and his company, Florida Datamation,
> Inc.".  When asked why, one poster said, "Well, he was deleting posts
> so that they wouldn't interfere with the 'serious business' of USENET
> -- Scheidell's serious business!  We got in the way of his dream of a
> virtual salescape."
> 
> Florida Datamation, Inc., based in Boca Raton, FL, sells computer
> hardware such as 486 and Pentium machines as well as software,
> including the top-selling THEOS and QNX operating systems.  Scheidell,
> previously a consultant, started the business in 1981 after other
> business ventures ended prematurely.
> 
> Although Scheidell denied all claims against him, three Internet users
> aided the investigation by using World Wide Web search tools to
> discover deleted messages in the public archives of USENET.  The
> archives, kept by Digital Research corporation, revealed that messages
> were deleting for being posted to as few as two groups and often
> without announcement.
> 
> Coming in the space of indecision after the courts have refused to
> enforce the controversial Communications Decency Act, this boycott
> could author the prototype for future response against abusers of the
> Internet.  "I wouldn't be surprised if this motivates some people to
> boycott their taxes," said one of the Internet researchers.
> 
> Take a look at what others have discovered and read what the
> victimized posters have to say in "Striking Back at Censorship" at
> .
> 
> Copyright 1996 mH productions

Ha!  Down with capitalism, down with copyrights!  Down with the
capitalist oppressers Microsoft, Inc.!




























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 09:17:23 PDT 1996
Article: 91827 of alt.censorship
Message-ID: <234328Z28071996@anon.penet.fi>
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:36:55 UTC
Subject: A short tutorial in tracking down anti-racist usenet forgers
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Recently I read the following Usenet article, whose contents I did not like:

Path: ...!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!cam-news-feed6.bbnplanet.com!webmaster.vbe.com!seant@vbe.com
From: Cindy@luvcunt.net
Newsgroups: alt.wired,alt.journalism,alt.sex.femdom,alt.sex,news.groups,alt.sex.masturbation,alt.censorship,alt.politics.datahighway,alt.drugs.pot,talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,alt.hemp,talk.politics.guns,alt.sex.anal,alt.sex.breast,alt.sex.erotica,alt.flame.niggers,alt.sex.first-time,alt.sex.girl.watchers,alt.sex.gangbang,alt.sex.girls,alt.sex.movies,alt.sex.oral,alt.sex.wanted,alt.games.duke3d,talk.politics.misc,alt.sex.stories,alt.sex.homosexual,alt.sex.beer-bottle,alt.sex.bestiality,alt.sex.bondage,altsex.breast,alt.sex.cu-seeme,alt.sex.erotica.market.place,alt.sex.erotica.marketplace,alt.sex.exhibitionism,alt.sexalt.sex.oral,alt.sexstories,alt.sexstrip-clubs,alt.sex.video-swap
Subject: Re: OK, Rednecks, stop this Nigger shit!!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 06:43:32 GMT
Organization: Valley Business Equipment
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Message-ID: <4ssg7c$22h@webmaster.vbe.com>
References: <173306Z19071996@anon.penet.fi> <4spbs7$1gf@news.netonecom.net> <4spsqi$7p6@news.scruz.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.62.118
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

First there is no such thing as an African-American, africans
sold your ancestors, cause they were weak cowards, and
you can't be an american because you don't want to be
and you're too lazy to work for it...You are just a Nigger,
be what the fuck you are and die...and as for your morals
look at the newsgroup you're in, looking for pictures of
white girls no doubt, I don't blame you, no one likes nigger
pussy...if you really want to be useful, kill yourself, as fertilizer
you'll be worth much more than you are now....


(A proud and loyal American ) wrote:


>I'm not sure how you stupid inbred fucks figured-out how to post on
>the Usenet, but I and millions of others are sick of your mindless
>racist  bullshit.  Yes, I'm an American with naturally dark skin;
>however,  I have never collected welfare, used drugs or done anything
>to deserve the sort of slander I've read in these nigger messages. I
>went to college, I have an excellent job, and I have an excellent
>family with excellent morals.  Think about this, if black people are
>so bad, why are all of child molesters, mass murders, and serial
>killers white???  Without a doubt, it's hate and intolerance that is
>fucking-up this country not African Americans.


>-- A Real American

Disgusting, isn't it, these anti-racist articles?

Note that the anti-racist coward who wrote this inanity did not have the balls
to post under his own name; rather, he forged an obscenity (Cindy@luvc*nt.net)
in the "From:" header. Unfortunately, this is all too easy to do with most
Internet accounts. The anti-racist's hysterical style is very reminiscent of
another usenet forger, Pidor V. Vorobiev, who used to post similar anti-racist
and anti-semitic diatribes from his Lehigh University account. (He claimed to
be a professor and a sysadmin at Lehigh, even though he was just a student.) Mr.
Vorobiev also forged many obscene usenet articles in the names of his many
usenet "enemies", including Mr. D. Vulis and his family members, and then
complained to "enemies'" Internet providers' all too often ignorant admins
about his own forgeries. Mr. Vorobiev also supported the usenet cabal in its
misdeeds.

I will now illustrate to "newbie" usenet readers how one can gather information
about the true identity of the poster from the headers of this inept forgery.

First, I point your attention to these headers:

Path: ...!cam-news-feed6.bbnplanet.com!webmaster.vbe.com!seant@vbe.com
Organization: Valley Business Equipment          ^^^^^^^       ^^^^^^^
Message-ID: <4ssg7c$22h@webmaster.vbe.com>
                                   ^^^^^^^

Issuing the command "/usr/ucb/whois VBE.COM" resulted in two hits:

[No name] (VBE-HST)		VBE.COM				  206.242.16.3
Valley Business Equipment, Inc (VBE-DOM)			       VBE.COM

I needed to be more specific, so I said:

WHOIS VBE-DOM:

Valley Business Equipment, Inc (VBE-DOM)
   3200 North Main ST
   Oshkosh, WI 54902
   US

   Domain Name: VBE.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact:
      Campbell, Doug  (DC1247)  postmaster@VBE.COM
      414-236-6500

   Record last updated on 10-Feb-96.
   Record created on 10-Feb-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NIC.NEAR.NET			192.52.71.4
   NOC.CERF.NET			192.153.156.22

The second hit doesn't really tell us much new:

[No name] (VBE-HST)

   Hostname: VBE.COM
   Address: 206.242.16.3
   System: ? running ?

However yet another telltale header is:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.62.118

This IP address belongs to:

WHOIS NETBLK-MCI-NETBLK-SHELBYNE:

SHELBYNET, INC. (NETBLK-MCI-NETBLK-SHELBYNE)
   113 S. HARRISON ST.
   SHELBYVILLE, IN 46176
   US

   Netname: MCI-NETBLK-SHELBYNE
   Netblock: 206.31.62.0 - 206.31.63.0

   Coordinator:
      Pandak, William  (WP134)  bill@SHELBYNET.NET
      (317) 392-3766

WHOIS SHELBYNET-DOM:

Shelbynet, Inc. (SHELBYNET-DOM)
   113 S. Harrison St..
   Shellbyville, IN 46176
   US

   Domain Name: SHELBYNET.NET

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
      Pandak, William  (WP134)  bill@SHELBYNET.NET
      (317) 392-3766
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Landwerland, Joe  (JL1026)  PANDAK@INETDIRECT.NET
      317 392-3766

   Record last updated on 21-Dec-95.
   Record created on 21-Dec-95.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS.SHELBYNET.NET		206.31.62.10
   NS2.MCI.NET			204.70.57.242

Hmm... Bill is Pandak, but Pandak is Joe, yet they have the same phone number?

Note that one or both of these clues may be red herrings. You can also e-mail
Sig Hecker  *just in case* to complain about Pidor V. Vorobiev.

(Thanks to Igor Chewed-Off for revealing Pidor Vorobiev's whereabouts to us.)
Mr. Vorobiev voted in favor of soc.culture.russian.moderated.

































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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 09:17:24 PDT 1996
Article: 91854 of alt.censorship
Message-ID: <081303Z29071996@anon.penet.fi>
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 08:07:46 UTC
Subject: An Example Of Censorship By Copyright
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An excerpt from the soc.culture.german FAQ, section 25.3
Archived at http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/

   25.3        Urban Legends In Germany

   ""Once I heard that "Mein Kampf" is forbidden.""

   In Germany, there is no index of forbidden books.  Legally
   speaking, this is a question of copyright laws.
                                               
   The state of Bavaria owns the worldwide publishing rights to  
   Hitler's "Mein Kampf".  They do not grant the right to publish,
   copy, or distribute the book in any form, on paper, electronically,
   or on tape, in an effort to hinder the spread of the book and
   message.  If you get any copy of the book printed **after 1945**,
   it was illegally produced and marketed.                    

   [This is an excellent example of unjust copyright law.  The]
   [white cultural purpose of copyright laws, are the same purpose]
   [as the trademark laws, to protect the creative integrity of]
   [the protected work.]
   [-- The honourable Vyshinsky]


























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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 20:36:10 PDT 1996
Article: 54409 of alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <151304Z30071996@anon.penet.fi>
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:10:15 UTC
Subject: Re: Jews wanna be white
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hkatz@earth.usa.net writes:

> In article <151325Z25071996@anon.penet.fi>,
> Vyshinsky (an572010@anon.penet.fi) whines:
> 
> 	Jews are hard at work exploiting East Europeans, my brothers.
> 
> So hard at work that "Vyshinsky" cannot provide a single, solitary
> example!

Example:

> 	We're going to get the west that has been enslaved by
> 	Afro-Asians.  The World Jewish Congress is shaping up to be
> 	the world's largest private landowner, a travesty!
> 
> So large a landowner that "Vyshinsky" cannot name a single, solitary
> property!

Edgar Bronfman admitted he was trying to become the owner of billions of
dollars of East European property by stealing from the poor.

> --
> Harry Katz
> 
> Love those who reprove thee, and hate those who flatter thee; for
> reproof may lead thee to eternal life, flattery to destruction.
> 	-- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.





















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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 20:36:11 PDT 1996
Article: 54431 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable Vyshinsky)
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From an572010@anon.penet.fi Tue Jul 30 20:36:11 PDT 1996
Article: 54461 of alt.revisionism
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From: an572010@anon.penet.fi (The honourable V