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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: listen up, Alec G.
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:58:54 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >1. It's a snap to get rid of you via a simple robo-cancel. There are
> >   quite a few around for spamming. One to get rid of you would be
> >   simpler to set up - just a script in the right place.
> 
>         Of course.  That is the only way holohuggers can deal with the truth -- delete
> it.

People in glass houses...

Now who was it who demanded that every mention of their existance be deleted from
a certain site, hmmm?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug  1 16:43:57 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:54:43 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >>The rivers meander (are snaking) in the area indicating a very slow current.
> >>Ashes would not be washed away.  The would have sunk to the bottom and still
> >>be there.
> 
> >    Another unsupported assertion from a confessed liar who has made many
> >provable errors.
> 
>         May I suggest you look at a map of the area?

Yeehaw!  Finally, Matt stumbles into my science.  I knew 'twas but a matter
of time.

Meandering streams indicate that said water is flowing across a relatively
flat plain, usually the flood plain of the river.  Matt is correct in that
a meandering stream usually indicates *relatively* slow water flow, due to
the fact that the gradient the stream moves through is low, say a few feet
every few miles.  However, this does not suddenly mean that the stream in
question stops carrying sediments.  Moreover, this ignores annual events
like spring floods which tend to move a great deal of material far more
quickly.

Let us see what a river can transport in an extreme case and then get back
to the Vistula, shall we?

The Amazon river has a flow rate of between 2.5 and 8 kilometers and hour
and during a twenty-four hour period moves an estimated 3 million tonnes
of sediment near its mouth.  Now, scaling down is highly improper but the
for teaching purposes I'll try it.  Assuming the Vistula is about three
hundred feet across (not an overestimate, I assume) it is .00125 times
the width of the Amazon.  Assuming the Amazon to be 90 meters deep and
the Vistula, say, 15 meters means that its cross section is .0003125
the size of the Amazon's.  Given the same water speed, the Vistula will
therefore carry .0003125 times the water volume.  Assuming the same
sediment carrying capacity, in twenty-four hours the Polish river will
move (.0003125*3000000) 937 tonnes of sediment.  For convenience, we'll
round this off to 900 tonnes/day past an arbitray point.  This means
that in two years (730 days), 657 000 tonnes of sediment can be moved
past this arbitrary point.  Given an average person massing 70 kilos,
this represents the equivalent of 9 390 000 bodies.

Note that this is in a period of two years, involving a relatively slow
moving river with a constant water flow.  Spring floods would wash out
a great deal more sediment.  Oh yes, and this assumes that none of this
sediment floats.

If anyone can give me the specific details of the Vistula's size,
speed and depth near where the ashes were dumped I could accurately
forecast the carrying capacity of the river.  And if someone happens
to know the specific gravity of animal-derived ash I could give you
an pretty good figure on what the river would carry.

However, given the quick guesstimate on carrying capacity of a river
that i've done, I'd tend to think a couple of tonnes of ash would be
eliminated rather quickly and easily.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sat Aug  3 07:04:32 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: copyright
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 18:22:49 -0300
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Ephraim Nussbaum wrote:
> 
> I hate to say it, but there may actually be a copyright violation in
> archiving someones posts. it is possible to construe dejanews and altavista
> as being in violation. whether this will turn out to be correct I dont
> know.
> anyone interested should check out the copyright faq posted periodically
> to alt.answers by brad templeton.

Is it therefore illegal to stand in the street with a tape recorder
and make a permenant record of what someone on the corner is bellowing
in a bullhorn?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.european-union
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 13:28:29 -0300
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

> Mr. Giwer:
> 
> You are a liar. There were many Anerican colleges and universities that
> had quotas for Jews.
> 
> >         If you read of a synagogue with swastikas painted on it, odds
> are it is Jewish
> > teenagers.  Maybe they are getting tired of the crap.
> 
> Mr. Giwer, you are a liar.
> 
> Please point out the "odds" as you have determined them. I'd like to see
> specific cases and examples, please.
> 
> >         It was a pressure group and we had a wimp as a president at the
> time, Jimmy
> > Carter.  Carter had the ability to cave at the slightest suggestion of moral
> > indignation.  He was a born again, nutcase who saw flying saucers and was
> > attacked by a killer rabbit.  And those were his good points.  He was only
> > elected because of Nixon and Watergate.
> 
> Mr. Giwer, you are a liar.
> 
> Jimmy Carter was elected because he got the most votes.

He is also a liar WRT Carter's "UFO" incident.  I've read the report
that Carter filled out.  What he (and others) saw was a light in the
distant sky that they thought behaved rather oddly and so reported it.
Nowhere did he describe it as a "flying saucer".  What is more, this
incident was a one-time occurance that UFO supporters keep trotting
out and saying "See? Even a president has seen one" however an objective
evaluation indicates that it was no big deal.  Lots of people have seen
lights that seem to them to behave oddly and many have reported
them.

Giwer must have a barn to hold all the straw he's using.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug  4 07:47:05 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 13:49:30 -0300
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Gary wrote:
> 
> On 8/1/96 at 19:54, Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
> >the width of the Amazon.  Assuming the Amazon to be 90 meters deep and
> >the Vistula, say, 15 meters means that its cross section is .0003125
> >the size of the Amazon's.  Given the same water speed, the Vistula will
> >therefore carry .0003125 times the water volume.  Assuming the same
> >sediment carrying capacity, in twenty-four hours the Polish river will
> >move (.0003125*3000000) 937 tonnes of sediment.  For convenience, we'll
> >round this off to 900 tonnes/day past an arbitray point.  This means
> >that in two years (730 days), 657 000 tonnes of sediment can be moved
> >past this arbitrary point.  Given an average person massing 70 kilos,
> >this represents the equivalent of 9 390 000 bodies.
> 
> Good work, Keith, but for one thing:  the ash of an avg. human is
> approx. 1-2 kg, not 70 kg.
> 
> FYI, a denier in another forum of debate stated, in March 1992 that the
> total ash production from Auschwitz would have been 800 m^3, if
> non-denier death estimates were correct.  Try plugging these figures
> in; you may manage to reduce Giwer to incoherence.

Oh, I know about the reduced ash.  I was using whole bodies so no one
could claim that I was underestimating the mass of the remains.

Now, 800 cubic meters of ash, hmm?  Looking back at my idealized
Vistula the cross section is (100*15) 1500 square meters.  Given
a water flow of 5 kilometers an hour this means that 83 meters of
water flow though this cross section in one minute for a total 
water volume of 125 000 cubic meters of water per minute.

(Yes, I'm assuming perfect flow and no turbulence etc etc, but
my figures are an approximation).

Now, assuming that *all* the ash from Auschwitz were dumped in
over a period of one minute, the ash would make up 1% of the
water flow.  A very high figure.  But this is *all* the ash at
once.  If you spread this amount of ash out over a year, you
get an average of 2.2 m^3 a day.  In one day, 180 000 000 m^3
of water will flow by this point.  Thus the ash makes up a grand
total of 1.22e^-8 times the volume of the water flow for that
day (that is 0.00000122%).

Now, I'm not quite sure what Giwer is thinking of but I think
that a river could probably move light matrial that makes up
0.00000122% of its volume per day rather easily.

Again, this is not taking into account the specific gravity of
the ash.  If near or below 1, it will simply float away.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug  4 21:51:40 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 15:30:35 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On 2 Aug 1996 14:18:02 GMT, patchwgl@infinop.com (Gary) wrote:
> 
> >On 8/1/96 at 19:54, Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
> >>the width of the Amazon.  Assuming the Amazon to be 90 meters deep and
> >>the Vistula, say, 15 meters means that its cross section is .0003125
> >>the size of the Amazon's.  Given the same water speed, the Vistula will
> >>therefore carry .0003125 times the water volume.  Assuming the same
> >>sediment carrying capacity, in twenty-four hours the Polish river will
> >>move (.0003125*3000000) 937 tonnes of sediment.  For convenience, we'll
> >>round this off to 900 tonnes/day past an arbitray point.  This means
> >>that in two years (730 days), 657 000 tonnes of sediment can be moved
> >>past this arbitrary point.  Given an average person massing 70 kilos,
> >>this represents the equivalent of 9 390 000 bodies.
> 
> >Good work, Keith, but for one thing:  the ash of an avg. human is
> >approx. 1-2 kg, not 70 kg.
> 
>         It has been posted here before.  2-3 kg.

Very good, Matt.  That means my idealized Vistula will move the equivalent
of 219 000 000 bodies.  Thanks for the info.  Now, perhaps you would like
to comment on this?

--
Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 15:43:39 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         Except that since we have the Internet Cremation Society actually describing
> the "ash" as not really being ash and since we have holohuggers introducing
> bone grinding to the fineness of a 1 cm sieve we are not talking about
> particulate sediment here.  That is in approximate agreement with the ICS.
> 
>         We are talking about "ashes" that are many orders of magnitude larger than
> sediment.
> 
>         For all practical purposes you might as well be talking about the river moving
> small pebbles.  And since this is your speciality, you know the dynamics will
> be that the sediment will move leaving these small objects behind much as the
> stone lined stream bed.

You think so?  Matt, Matt, Matt, I've seen several thousand kilo boulders transported
during a flood.  I've seen rivers that have changed course over the period of a few
days across their valley.  I've seen sediments deposited by rivers that were far larger
than 1 centimeter across for individual clasts.

Tell you what, Matt.  Why don't you take a one-centimeter diameter pebble made of, say
quartz, that is denser than human ash, paint it bright flourescent pink and toss it in
a river that approximates the Vistula.  Then go back in a year and tell me if that
pebble is in the same place.

You see, what Matt thinks (I believe) is that sediments have to be actually picked
up to be moved downstream.  This is false.  Rocks can be rolled along the bottom,
slowly but surely.

As for the sieve comment all I have to say is this:  the 1 centimeter size is clearly
the *largest* particulate size that would pass through.  However, as any soft
rock geologist knows this information by itself is entirely worthless.  What is
rather important is the size distribution of the particles.  From what has been
said it cannot be determined if the ground material averaged 1 centimeter in size
or whether 99% of it was much smaller.

Stay tuned.  I'll post the equations needed to determine the carrying capacity
of a stream as soon as I dig out my sedimontology books.

--
Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: listen up, Alec G.
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         You will recall from last time we has 2000 tons of bone fragments from
> Treblinka and 3000 tons from Auschwitz to find.  That was based upon the
> internet cremation society's statement of 5-7 pound of bone fragements
> remaining after cremation and I used 5 pounds so as not to exaggerate
> the number.

[snip]

> A. In order to accomidate the cremated remains of an average size adult,
> the urn should have a capacity of at least 205 cubic inches.

One cubic inch is equal to 16.39 cubic centimeters, thus 205 cubic inches
is just about 3360 CC.

Five pounds of bone is 2.27 kilos or 2270 grams.

Dividing the mass by the volume we get (2270/3360) or 0.68 grams/cc.

The density of water is 1 gram/cc approximetly).  Thus the specific
gravity of the human remains, *USING MATT'S OWN FIGURES*, is 0.68.

Anything with a specific gravity less than that of water floats.

Ergo, human cremated remains float off happily down the Vistula.
They do not settle.  They do not drop to the bottom.  They float
away.

I eagerly await Mr. Giwer's response.

--
Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         Except that since we have the Internet Cremation Society actually describing
> the "ash" as not really being ash and since we have holohuggers introducing
> bone grinding to the fineness of a 1 cm sieve we are not talking about
> particulate sediment here.  That is in approximate agreement with the ICS.
> 
>         We are talking about "ashes" that are many orders of magnitude larger than
> sediment.
> 
>         For all practical purposes you might as well be talking about the river moving
> small pebbles.  And since this is your speciality, you know the dynamics will
> be that the sediment will move leaving these small objects behind much as the
> stone lined stream bed.
> 
> >Let us see what a river can transport in an extreme case and then get back
> >to the Vistula, shall we?
> 
>         Search for the Internet Cremation Society and learn what you are talking about
> moving.  Then get back to me.

The following is a copy of a followup I just wrote in the thread "Re: Listen up, Alex G"
For amusements sake you will note who was kind enough to supply the figures I used
in my calculations.


Matt Giwer wrote:

>         You will recall from last time we has 2000 tons of bone fragments from
> Treblinka and 3000 tons from Auschwitz to find.  That was based upon the
> internet cremation society's statement of 5-7 pound of bone fragements
> remaining after cremation and I used 5 pounds so as not to exaggerate
> the number.

[snip]

> A. In order to accomidate the cremated remains of an average size adult,
> the urn should have a capacity of at least 205 cubic inches.

One cubic inch is equal to 16.39 cubic centimeters, thus 205 cubic inches
is just about 3360 CC.

Five pounds of bone is 2.27 kilos or 2270 grams.

Dividing the mass by the volume we get (2270/3360) or 0.68 grams/cc.

The density of water is 1 gram/cc approximetly).  Thus the specific
gravity of the human remains, *USING MATT'S OWN FIGURES*, is 0.68.

Anything with a specific gravity less than that of water floats.

Ergo, human cremated remains float off happily down the Vistula.
They do not settle.  They do not drop to the bottom.  They float
away.

I eagerly await Mr. Giwer's response.

--
Keith Morrison
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Andrew Mathis wrote:

> Yo go, Matt!!  Tell those ornery Canadians!!  We're never gonna say
> "hoose" in America!!!!!
> 
> USA USA USA USA!!!

Second-fastest country in the world...

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> >         Except that since we have the Internet Cremation Society actually describing
> > the "ash" as not really being ash and since we have holohuggers introducing
> > bone grinding to the fineness of a 1 cm sieve we are not talking about
> > particulate sediment here.  That is in approximate agreement with the ICS.
> >
> >         We are talking about "ashes" that are many orders of magnitude larger than
> > sediment.
> >
> >         For all practical purposes you might as well be talking about the river moving
> > small pebbles.  And since this is your speciality, you know the dynamics will
> > be that the sediment will move leaving these small objects behind much as the
> > stone lined stream bed.

> Stay tuned.  I'll post the equations needed to determine the carrying capacity
> of a stream as soon as I dig out my sedimontology books.

>From  a Hjulstrom Diagram, as modified by Sundborg in the 1956 _Geografiska Annaler_,
a water velocity of 1 m/s will lift a 1 cm quartz grain off the bottom.  1 m/s is
3.6 km/h.  This is below my calculations made earlier that assume a flow of 5 km/h,
which is a pretty damn slow river.

Care to comment, Matt?

--
Keith Morrison
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E. Zundel Repost wrote:
> 
> The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism
> daily, unedited (after BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM....). The opinions expressed do
> not necessarily represent the views of the poster, who is not the author
> (indeed, it's an automatic mail2news gateway). See X-Headers for relevant
> URLs. A good place to start is http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if
> you're in Europe, ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> 
> ------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
> 
> Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
> 
> Now that I have waded through five days' worth of e-mail, I am pulling the
> most important items to pass on to my readers.  Here goes:
> 
> *       Only a week ago, the Holocaust Promotion Lobby via its  instrument,
> SIRC, was all ready and roaring to re-start the ZŁndel hearings, apparentl.y
> with the well-known Canadian-Jewish lawyer Goodman as the Sitting Member or
> Judge.  SIRC wanted Ernst and his lawyer, Doug Christie, to set aside at
> least one entire, continuous month for these hearings in September or
> October.
> 
> Well, it did not happen that way!
> 
> Now, this absolutely splendid news comes from the Zundel-Haus:  "Good news
> from Ottawa!  The Federal Court Judge ruled in our favor in a 935 page
> judgment.  The SIRC hearings will be stopped."
> 
> Read that again!  The SIRC hearings will be stopped!!
> 
> This means that the Jewish Lobby has been dealt a significant setback by a
> Canadian Court.  A gentile judge, fully cognizant of the reaction he was
> going to cause, ruled ultimately to thwart them in their scheme to get
> Ernst deported over this citizenship matter.

God, I love spin-doctoring.  For those south of the border the judgement
was made because of the possibility of bias by the SIRC.  To make it
short, since the SIRC had (accurately) described Zuendel as a racist
and denier last year, the judge felt that it would be improper for them
to consider whether he could get citizenship because they would probably
not give him an objective evaluation because they had already shown they
disliked him.


> "Ernst Zundel was featured on both CBC TV news and CTV news last nite re
> his victory over SIRC-CSIS. In fact, he was the lead story in the latter's
> ratings-topper news programme.

Oh, please.  Ratings-topper my ass.  Since it was on at the same time the
CBC was giving Olympic coverage I doubt *that* many people saw it.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.european-union
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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Matt Giwer wrote:

(speaking to Sara)

>         And you have the tits to post in public.
> 
>         Quite amazing.

That's "balls", Matt.  "And you have the *balls* to post in public."

Then again, I can see why you've made that mistake.  After all you
apparently don't have the balls to answer many, many questions that
have been asked of you.  Or at least not the balls to admit you were
wrong.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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> Laura Finsten  wrote:
> 
> >an572010@anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) wrote:
> 
> >[...]
> 
> >>Jews own the financial world, the media, and the ultimate in the
> >>Jewish genotype, the financial media.  This justifies racism.
> 
> >Has the human genome project finally located the gene for the
> >financial media?  That one has been a real stickler for years,
> >and I'm really glad to see they've finally sorted it out.  I
> >was under the impression that geneticists were still unsure
> >about the kind of genetic trait financial media is, though.
> >So like is it an autosomal dominant trait, or what?

It's found on the same chromosome as the Entertainment Mogul gene,
the Comedian gene and the Matzoh Ball Taste Bud gene.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         Second you have not thought through the mechanics of dumping the 1 cm
> sieve "ashes" into the local lakes (without flow) and the river.  (Not
> to mention using them on icy walkways and the like.)

Oh, but *I* have.  There's this really interesting diagram in _Geografiska
Annaler_ Ser A, 1956, volume 38, page 197.  Figure 16 shows what is called
a Hjulstrom Diagram, modified by Sundborg.  It plots the size of quartz grains
against the velocity of water required to lift them off a plane (flat) stream
bed.

Looking up a grain size of 10 mm (1 cm for the metric-impaired...and Moran),
one finds that the plotted curve (determined experimentally) intersects at
around 100 cm/s (ie 1 m/s).

My theoretical model for the Vistula gave a lower velocity of 5 km/h.  This
is 1.39 m/s.  This exceeds the lower experimental bounds for lifting velocity.
And remember that this is for quartz, not a lower-density (thus lighter per
same size grain) material like body ash or coal/coke.

Care to comment, Matt?

--
Keith Morrison
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Subject: Re: What if Rome had allowed more immigration along its frontiers?
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Seamus wrote:
> 
> Could not Imperial Rome have avoided at least some of its problems by
> allowing many of the tribes to cross the frontier and settle within the
> empire? Even allowing them to become citizens? It seems to me that many
> of these tribes were looking to the land in Gaul, and would have just as
> happily come in under treaty or naturalization.
> 
> Just a thought.

That was the problem.  By keeping the various groups out or under 
very strict control the Romans caused their "Romanization".  Think
of the situation today where Canadians, in a great many things,
are not that distinguishable from Americans in their culture even
though we don't live in the US.

Once these various groups were Romanized through trade and close
but guarded contact, they often made their way into the Empire to
serve in the legions, public administration and other positions.

What happened when large groups entered the Empire unhindered was
that they felt no particular attachment to Rome and thus looted
and pillaged.

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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Another Battle for France, 1940-??
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Chris Michalovic wrote:
> 
> A what-if here: What if the french did not bite the dust in the Spring of 1940,
> and were able to fight on? The key thing here is in this timeline, DeGaulle takes
> command of the French government on 19 June 1940. By August, the Germans and italians
> reach their deepest penetration in France, a line running from la Rochelle-LeCreusot-
> Nevers-Dijon-Geneva (part of Switz-I mean the border of France at Geneva), with the
> Italians taking Nice and Monaco under heavy resistance from the Corps de Alpes. Brest
> and St.Naziare are held by the French, besieged by the Germans. D-Day is on June 6 1941,
> when the British Exp. Force (BEF), reformed after Dunkerk, the 1st ANZAC corps, and the
> 1st Canadian Army land on the west coast of the Cotentin Peninsula, across from the
> Channel Islands, to meet up with the French 5th army, breaking out of Brest and fighting
> through Brittany. Any ideas on how it could continue?

The critical factor is whether Barbarossa still takes place that summer, drawing the best 
officers and troops such as Guderian to the Eastern Front.  

Another important consideration is that without holding all of France, especially
Saint-Nazaire and Brest, the Kriegsmarine is effectively bottled up by the British.
Without an Atlantic port the possible effectiveness of the cruisers and battlecruisers
such as Gneisenau, Scharnhorst and Bismarck is reduced if they manage to break
out of the North Sea.  Given that the British did manage to get most of the commerce
raiders and the heavies that did make it to open water, odds are that in this
timeline the surface ships are not that much more effective.

The subs face a serious challenge without the forward bases in that they have to
run the Channel or the GIUK gap.  They would probably be just as effective as they
were in real life but assuming that the RN and RCN improve in antisubmarine
warfare as *they* did in real life the U-Boat threat probably is slightly less
serious and the Battle of the Atlantic is won by 1943.

In very important factor is that there is no campaign in North Africa.  With
the south of France and Toulon in Allied hands, as well as the French fleet
still afloat and effective, the Mediterranean becomes a very unpleasant spot
for the Axis.  There is no blockade of Malta and given the Italians proven
ineffectiveness, the RN and French retain control, preventing any Italian
adventure into Egypt.  With no problem with resupply the Italians are totally
driven out of Ethiopia and North Africa by late 1940-early 1941.  Thus there
is no Afrika Corps moving in to support the retreating Italians.  Crete is
attacked but the French and British naives are able to move in troops to
drive out the invaders.

With the southern flank thus secured the British and Commonwealth forces can be
moved into France to support the front.  Without the overwhelming material
support of the US, what happens is probably a draw.  Hitler can't move too many
troops out of Poland due to the Soviet threat to advance against a stabilized
front and against a combat-proven army with a highly capable airforce the
blitzkrieg tactics are stalled, especially in the southeast of France where
tanks run into the mountains and are not as effective as they are on the flat
terrain in the north.

In Norway the British and Norwegians keep the north of the country as German
troops are concentrated in France.  Odds are the Germans are slowly forced
out if they decide to stay.

What happens next is up to the United States, Japan and USSR.  Japan will
probably still attack Southeast Asia as the European colonial powers are
too busy with their local problems to effectively mount an defence on
the other side of the planet and will inevitably become mixed up with the
US, the other regional power in the Pacific.  A declaration of war by Hitler
would be an even bigger foul-up in this history as the Allies have their
European foothold already.  Watch for an Allied invasion of Italy to 
effectively take them out of the war in summer 1942.

The Soviet Union probably attacks in late 1941, early 1942, quickly finding
that the Germans are very good on the defence.  Their Eastern troops have
not been exhausted by the Soviet winter and mount a spirited defense, stopping
the Red Army in Poland.

Rome is captured in 1942 as the French and British cross the border on the
Riviera into northern Italy while American and British troops mount quick
landings in Sicily and Mediterranean and Adriatic coasts of the mainland,
supported from their North African bases.  The Allies focus their attention
on Italy and complete its capture in 1943.  They then continue into Austria
while slowly forcing the Germans back in northern France. 

Landings in the Balkans occur in 1942.

By early 1944 the Germans are on the ropes.  They are slowly being forced
back by the Red Army while the western Allies are making slow but steady
advances in Northern France and Austria.  They have taken the south Balkans
and are threatening to marry up with the Italian-Austrian front.

The OKW realizes the war is over and decides that surrendering to the
Western Allies is preferable to a Soviet conquest.  The Allies don't
particularly like the Soviets and have only given them symbolic aid,
thus high-ranking officers and Nazi officials put out peace-feelers
to the West.  Hitler becomes intransigent and is assassinated.  The
offer of surrender is made in early 1944.  The Allies take advantage to
end the war and rush forward to prevent the Red Army from further.
Germany is captured whole while the Soviets are kept (mostly) out of
Eastern Europe.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         It appears you were born yesterday.
> 
>         When ashes are scattered at sea they are poured out of the urn.  They
> sink.
> 
>         When ashes are buried on the family farm or some such they do not
> float up to the surface after a few heavy rains.

Actually, I've scattered ashes on the family farm in my youth, Matt.  They
are carried away by flowing water rather well.


>         Interesting that you failed to consider the original source material
> from the internet cremation society and assumed that the ashes in the
> urn would have a packing factor of one.  (Meaning that you left out
> the air between the fragments.)

I know they aren't perfectly packed, Giwer.  However, this creates a 
problem for *you*, not me.

Why, you ask?  Well, since they aren't packed that means that they can
be compressed.  If they can be compressed, they take up less space.
Thus, less difficulty to put them somewhere, especially if they are
spread out over a wide area.

> 
>         Additionally you failed to consider the chemical composition of the
> fragments as a sanity check upon your calculations.

Okay, genius.  What is the specific gravity of cremated human remains?
Please share with us the vastness of your knowledge.  I noted that the
Internet Cremation Society did *not* give a figure for this.  So where
is yours from?


>         Did you ever consider crosschecking your conclusions against other
> facts before you post them?  Or are you trying to get into the Nizkor
> Hall of Fame by posting so many plausible but incorrect things, like
> your "slow" river and now this?

People in glass houses should not throw stones, Giwer.  I stated quite
clearly how I was deriving my figures.

You, on the other hand, have so far failed to give me a citation on what
hominid averaged seven feet tall, you have failed to indicate where the
Cambodian embassy was in the US that you "saw" during the Khmer Rouse
regime, you have failed to tell me what _Gray's Anatomy_ gives as the
number of bones in the skull and pelvis and you have failed to provide
any citation that shows the skull and pelvis are the bones most likely
to survive cremation intact.

--
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Keith Morrison wrote:

> Yes indeed this is not true in real life due to boundary effects as a
> stream does not exhibit perfect laminar flow.  However, this 1 m/s
> lifting velocity, if you were paying attention, is for a 1 cm piece
> of quartz.  Quartz has a specific gravity of about 2.7.
> 
> What is the specific gravity of ash, Mr Giwer?  Someone less than
> 2.7, no?

As a matter of fact, it is no.  I correct myself.  The specific gravity
of apatite (calcium phosphate) is 3.1  This makes a bone fragment
heavier than a quartz fragment of the same size and porosity.  However,
the arguments below still stand.


> Further, 1 cm is the *largest possible* fragment size.  If you grind
> anything I will guarantee that a great deal will be much smaller than
> the size of the sieve.  As such the velocity of water needed to lift
> it lowers exponentially.
> 
> As a further note, this also assumes lifting off the bed of the stream
> which is not required to move material downstream.  Material can roll
> downstream and it happens all the time.  That's why ripples occur,
> slowly making their way downstream and moving material along.

--
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 05 Aug 1996 00:22:57 -0300, Keith Morrison 
> wrote:
> 
> >Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> >(speaking to Sara)
> 
> >>         And you have the tits to post in public.
> >>
> >>         Quite amazing.
> 
> >That's "balls", Matt.  "And you have the *balls* to post in public."
> 
> >Then again, I can see why you've made that mistake.  After all you
> >apparently don't have the balls to answer many, many questions that
> >have been asked of you.  Or at least not the balls to admit you were
> >wrong.
> 
>         You mean to say he is trolling for sex?

Oh keep on evading, Oh Spineless One.  And while you are running like
the yellow-bellied, cowardly worm that you are, maybe you could take the
time to answer the following questions:

1.  What hominid averaged seven feet in height?
2.  When was the tape recorder invented?
3.  When was the term "United Nations" first used?
4.  Where was the Cambodian Embassy in the US during the Khmer Rouge regime?
5.  How many bones does _Gray's Anatomy_ say are in the skull and pelvis?
6.  What evidence is there that the skull and pelvis are most likely to
    survive a cremation compared to the other bones of the body?

--
Keith Morrison
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Subject: "Ash Gets In Your Eyes" - Giwer's New Theme Song
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With all the recent chatter about how the ashes of a million or
so people can be made to go away, one point that is forgotten
(or ignored) by many participants is the fact that all the
calculations done assume that the entire cremated population
are adults.  Which is, of course, not true.

To get a better reading of what exactly the amount of remains
generated would be, I've taken the liberty of calculating remains
based on age distribution.

For the purposes of this gedankenexperiment, I've broken down
the population into four groups, namely infant, child, teenager
and adult.  Basically infants are under four years old, children
are from 5 to 9, teenagers from 10 to 19 and adults 20 or above.

Percentage of population is taken from a random source I picked
up on the Web describing the age distribution in Latvia in 1994.

    http://www.lvnet.lv./~undp/hdr/tab41pre.html

Note that this distribution does not represent the Jewish population
in Europe during the Holocaust but is much more accurate than
assuming all adults being cremated.

The distribution is as follows:

0-4     6%  
5-9     8%
10-19  14%   
20+    72%  (50% male, 50% female)

The Internet Cremation Society (http://www.cremation.org) indicates
that 5 to 7 lbs (2.27 to 3.18 kg) of bone remains after cremation.
Taking 6 lbs as an average gives 2.73 kilos of remains.  For the
purposes of this experiment we'll assume this is for a 70 kilo
adult or roughly 4% of the body mass.  For a rough calculation,
we'll assume that this remains constant thoughout life.  This
assumption is not correct but it should allow us to get within
a reasonable approximation of the correct figures.

Now, we throw out some figures.  Say infants average 15 lbs
(6.82 kg), children 40 lbs (18.18 kg), teenagers 100 lbs
(45.45 kg) and our 154 lb (70 kg) adults.  Given 4% bone mass,
we get:

Infants   0.27 kg
Children  0.73 kg
teenagers 1.82 kg
adult     2.73 kg

Now we take a total of 1 000 000 bodies and calculate, based
on the population breakdown, how much bone residue would be
created by cremation.

infants      16 200 kg
children     59 400 kg
teenagers   254 800 kg
adults    1 965 600 kg

For a total of 2 296 000 kilos (2 296 metric tonnes) of bone.
This is 16% lower than assuming all adults being cremated.

Now, the apatite that forms bones has a density of 3.1 g/cc or
3100 kg/m^3.  This gives a minimum volume of 740.65 m^3.  Assuming
50% porosity gives a total volume of 1481 m^3.

Now assume that the cremations take place over two years.  This
is 2.02 m^3 per day.  Less than a dumptruck load.

Now we want to get rid of the ash.  Say all 1481 cubic meters
has been stored up and we want to get rid of it at once.  We'll
dump 25% of it in a lake, 25% on some fields and 50% in the 
nearby river.

Based on hydrological considerations we can assume that the
50% dumped in the river is gone and we don't have to worry
about it.  Furthermore, like Mr Giwer, we'll assume that there
is absolutely no way anything could get out of a lake so any
ash dumped stays there.

Dumping 25% on fields means 370 m^3.  Let's say, for argument,
that we dump it on 50 hectares of fields.  Fifty hectares is
500 000 m^2, which means we cover it to the astounding depth
of .74 millimeters.  Hey, let's go full bore and dump *all*
the ash there.  That brings us to an absolutely overwhelming
thickness of (hold your breath here) 3 millimeters.

That fifty hectares is 124 acres.  Does Giwer suggest that the
Nazis could not find 124 acres to dump some ashes on?

The same rapid diminuation takes place dumping it on lakes.  Say
we have an small lake 1 km by 2 km.  That is 2 square kilometers.
There are 100 hectares in a square kilometer.  Our lake is
200 hectares in size.  If we dump all the ash we cover the bottom
to an average depth of 0.74 millimeters.

Now, I've been present when core samples in soils and soft
sediments have been taken.  If you can visually see a layer
that is 0.74 millimeters undisturbed and lying loosely before
the coring when that core is removed from the drill or auger,
you either have been to the Steve Austin School of Cybernetic
Optical Implants, have drillers that deserve to be making
about a million bucks a minute or else are the luckiest person
on the planet.  Probably a combination of all three.

Now Matt will probably get all cranky and start yelling about
1 centimeter mesh and so forth.  So, in order to forestall the
tantrum, lets assume that all the bone particles are at least
1 cc in size (1 cm cubes).  Assuming that the fragments are
scattered to form a layer two particles high (2 centimeters),
we get an area required of 74 050 m^2 or 7.4 hectares.  Our lake
is 200 hectares, remember?  This means the bone will cover 4%
of the lake's surface.  That means the odds of drilling and
actually hitting bone aren't very good.  It gets worse the
thicker the bone layer.  At 4 centimeters high we're down to 2%,
and so on.  Unless you know *exactly* where that ash was dumped
the odds of finding it aren't very good.

Wow.  No problem to get rid of that ash at all.

Feel free to comment, Giwer.

--
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Ehrlich606 wrote:

> It's amazing that you can speak of blue-mauve throughout as though there
> would be confusion among these colors.  Why don't you just say
> *rouge-noir* and to hell with it?

I think the combination you are looking for is "red-pink".  That
is much more akin to blue-mauve than red-black is.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >From a Hjulstrom Diagram, as modified by Sundborg in the 1956 _Geografiska Annaler_,
> >a water velocity of 1 m/s will lift a 1 cm quartz grain off the bottom.  1 m/s is
> >3.6 km/h.  This is below my calculations made earlier that assume a flow of 5 km/h,
> >which is a pretty damn slow river.
> 
> >Care to comment, Matt?
> 
>         You are claiming this is your field?
> 
>         A river with that velocity near the shore or on the bottom is a very
> fast river in the center.  It is difficult to imagine any text on the
> subject that would not cover this in the first chapter.
> 
>         Since this is your field, why are you ignorant of the velocity
> difference between the boundaries of a river and the center of a
> river?  Or are you overlooking what you clearly have to know in the
> rush to create some plausibility for the idea that the ashes would
> have washed away so quickly?
> 
>         Perhaps, since this is your field, you are relying upon the ignorance
> of others in the matter to try to make a case that is not true?
> 
>         Or are you going to attempt to claim that fluid flow is the same at
> the center and at the boundaries?  That way you can write a great
> paper as to why all observations and measurements are to the contrary.
> 
>         You can also explain why everyone who has floated anything in a river
> has observed exactly what I am describing.  Perhaps you can invoke the
> optical illusion argument.
> 
>         But rest assured, Nizkor will carry your statements as though they are
> gospel and will not carry anything that will indicate where you are
> wrong.  Nizkor has no knowledge of science and, as with believing
> every impossible thing witnesses report, they swallow any trash
> science a true believer invents.

Very very good, Matt.  I was wondering if you were paying attention.

Yes indeed this is not true in real life due to boundary effects as a
stream does not exhibit perfect laminar flow.  However, this 1 m/s
lifting velocity, if you were paying attention, is for a 1 cm piece
of quartz.  Quartz has a specific gravity of about 2.7.

What is the specific gravity of ash, Mr Giwer?  Someone less than
2.7, no?

Further, 1 cm is the *largest possible* fragment size.  If you grind
anything I will guarantee that a great deal will be much smaller than
the size of the sieve.  As such the velocity of water needed to lift
it lowers exponentially.

As a further note, this also assumes lifting off the bed of the stream
which is not required to move material downstream.  Material can roll
downstream and it happens all the time.  That's why ripples occur,
slowly making their way downstream and moving material along.

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tom moran wrote:
> 
>         Of course as far as the general person on the street knows about
> the Holocasut story, the "gas" factor is the number one, if not the
> only thing they know about the Holocaust story.
> 
>         Yet how many would know that this gas can be picked up, scattered
> around, poured and could rattle in cans?

Jeez, you're right that's silly.  Why, that's just as perposterous as
pulling up to a roadside establishment, ordering the person working
there to fill a container you have on your vehicle with a liquid and
then having the audacity to call the liquid "gas".

Get a clue, you twit.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >Actually, it's recently been discovered that ulcers are caused by an
> >interesting species of bacterium that lives in the stomach lining (and
> >can stand the highly acidic conditions by dumping ammonia as a waste
> >product).  More precisely, as I recall, the ulcers are caused when the
> >body's white blood cells try to go after these bacteria and fail.  I
> >remember reading an article about the guy who proved it by ingesting some
> >of the bacteria himself, developing an ulcer, and then making the ulcer
> >go away by taking the appropriate antibiotic.
> 
> >In any case, developing an ulcer in two weeks isn't out of the question.
> >What I want to know is, who used the secret ZOG "send bacteria over the
> >phone" weapon without clearance from the higher echelons?

>         I am very tired of ignorant Jews playing games like this.

Translation:

"Damn!  They caught me again!  Ooooo, just wait, someday I'll make
a science statement that no one can prove to be wrong!"

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Mark Van Alstine wrote:

> > As a matter of fact, it is no.  I correct myself.  The specific gravity
> > of apatite (calcium phosphate) is 3.1  This makes a bone fragment
> > heavier than a quartz fragment of the same size and porosity.  However,
> > the arguments below still stand.
> 
> I think further consideration is needed here. Bone is mainly a
> biocomposite of hydroxyapatite and collogen.  Hydroxyapatite, the main
> mineral component of bone, comprises about 1/4 the volume and 1/2 the mass
> of normal adult bone and is deposited along the bone collagen fibrils.
> Given this, it would suggest that bone should have a lower specific
> gravity, due to the porous bone matrix, than pure hydroxyapatite.
> 
> This assumption appears to be borne out by the fact that bone (Cancelllus
> and Cortical) has a specific gravity of 1.3.
> 
> Furthermore, when bone is calcinated only the hydroxyapatite remains in
> the bone matrix, thus suggesting that the specific gravity of calcinated
> bone should be even less. Therefore, considering that the calcinated bones
> of the victims were crushed to fine fragments (less than 2/5 inches) would
> seem to suggest that they were more readily disturbed by the lifting
> velocity effect of the Vistula's current than you may have assumed above.

Another effect that I did not mention was abrasion.  Apatite, the fifth
standard on Moh's scale, is softer than quartz and orthoclase, both
common constituents in sands and muds.  This being the case, apatite would
also be worn away faster than ordinary sediment.

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Gord McFee wrote:

> :>> Yo go, Matt!!  Tell those ornery Canadians!!  We're never gonna say
> :>> "hoose" in America!!!!!
> :>>
> :>> USA USA USA USA!!!
> :>
> :>Second-fastest country in the world...
> 
> Hehehe.  I guess you could say second-fastest individually (100-meter dash) or
> collectively (400-meter relay).  :-)

I'm sorry?  Second-fastest in men's 100 meters?  Which Olympics were you
watching?  I was quite sure that the US finished behind those sport
powerhouses of Namibia and Trinidad and Tobago.  All behind Donovan,
of course.

Quote heard during the men's 4 x 100:

"We're gonna kick Canadian butt!"

"Quite possible.  After all, you are *behind* them..."

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From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug  8 20:57:25 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Eight Questions Matt Giwer won't answer (Round 6)
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >>         And of course these are all questions that McVay refused to read the
> >> answers to the first time because he has me in his killfile.  And he
> >> continues to spam the net with questions that he refuses to listen to
> >> the answers to.
> 
> >You're not in my killfile, and I still haven't seen you answer the
> >questions. If you did then refer to the articles for a Deja-News search.
> 
> >>         McVay is a lying asshole who abuses the net for his personal reasons
> >> of self agrandizement.
> 
> >Libel, little man. Prove or retract.
> 
>         Sue, asshole.

Wait for it...

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Subject: Re: listen up, Alec G.
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 18:46:41 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         In the lakes it is cumulative.  On the ground it is cumulative.  And
> it the river, now that our local river "expert" appears to be honest
> enough not to repeat his previous errors, the issue was  NEVER
> logistics just as it was NEVER HCN being unsuitable.

What errors, you buffoon?  Other than the mistake I made about the
density of apatite, which subsequent posters have indicated that I
may not have been as wrong as I thought, I stand by everything
I wrote.

And as for the lakes, you ignorant putz, I believe that 1481
cubic meters of bone ash, which I roughly calculated would be
formed by burning 1 million men, women and children, dumped in a
lake 1 km by 2 km in size, would form a layer 0.4 mm thick.

Ooooo, HUGE accumulation, Mattie-poo.  I could say that it is huge
compared to your balls, but I won't.  But I could have.


>         You really should find the time to follow the discussion or withdraw
> until you have the time.

People living in glass houses...


>         That is the BTU equivalent of the natural gas commonly used today.
> Why would it take less under Nazi Physics?

According to Giwer Math, 0.4 millimeters is such a TERRIBLY ENORMOUS
thickness that people should be struggling through it.  Accordingly,
everything you have to say about math is questionable.


> >BTW - even if it did, the ashes would have been a minor amount of that
> >and the river flow was still more than adequate to get rid of it all.
> 
>         You certainly know more about fluid flow than to make that claim.  And
> then there are the lakes and the land.

Lakes?  Lakes you say?  Like, more than one?  So that the total ash of 1 million
people might not form a 0.4 millimeter thickness in one lake but might be spread
over several, thus thinning it by several orders or magniture?

Would you like me to relaod that shotgun you just fired into your foot?



> >Gee! Considering that the reports that the ashes were eliminated by
> >dumping in the river, the fact that no ashes were found is hardly
> >surprising!
> 
>         And as we have a very slow moving river and given what you certainly
> know about fluid fluw, you can not have thought about it and be making
> this claim.  Or are you suggesting the remains float?

Hey, Maaattt.  What is the thickness of 1481 cubic meters of ash spread
over 50 hectares?  Can you say "Three millimeters", Matt?  Now, looking
at a map of Poland, can you find about 126 acres that might have been used
to dump ash?

Hey Matt.  I bet you I can dump a truckload a day of ash in a slow moving
river the size of the Vistula and come back fifty years later to see that
it is gone.  Wanna bet?  I'll be around to check.  One of the advantages of
being a "youngster".


>         And if you review your fluid flow you will certainly agree the ashes
> are either still there or an estimatable distance downstream moving as
> a mass.  That the Russians did not feel it necessary to verify the
> stories in 1945 speaks volumes for the basis for their case.

Bullshit, Giwer.  What you know about hydrogeology I can write on the tip of
my pinkie finger with a paintbrush.  A slowly moving mass going downriver?
Absolute garbage.  Even if this stuff did sink it would not stay in one place
or move as a unit.  Even heavy metals like gold are distributed downstream
and certainly do not move as a mass, so I have no idea why the laws of
nature should suddenly change just Because! You! Say! So!

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Gord McFee wrote:

> :>> This means that the Jewish Lobby has been dealt a significant setback by a
> :>> Canadian Court.  A gentile judge, fully cognizant of the reaction he was
> :>> going to cause, ruled ultimately to thwart them in their scheme to get
> :>> Ernst deported over this citizenship matter.
> :>
> :>God, I love spin-doctoring.  For those south of the border the judgement
> :>was made because of the possibility of bias by the SIRC.  To make it
> :>short, since the SIRC had (accurately) described Zuendel as a racist
> :>and denier last year, the judge felt that it would be improper for them
> :>to consider whether he could get citizenship because they would probably
> :>not give him an objective evaluation because they had already shown they
> :>disliked him.
> 
> Her ghostwriters are good, aren't they Keith?  You have described the truth of
> the matter quite well.  I would only add that the decision will almost
> certainly be appealed, as it is silly.  It stands for the proposition that a
> security service discovers that someone has been a member of a terrorist group
> and then cannot investigate the person because of perceived bias.  Give me a
> break.

You and me both.  I hadn't really thought about it until I wrote the
above message down, reread it and realized what a stupid idea the whole
thing was.

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From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug  8 23:03:11 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "Ash Gets In Your Eyes" - Giwer's New Theme Song
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Ehrlich606 wrote:
>
> It seems to me you have a problem here, assuming that your total number of
> victims (1 Mill) is correct.  That is, you are ignoring the issue of
> work-value for the people who arrived at Auschwitz.  We can safely assume
> that children younger than, say, 10, have absolutely no economic value to
> the Reich.  Therefore they are either killed immediately or something else
> happens to them.  By the same token, adults who are older than say, 60,
> are not of any economic value either.  Again, they are either killed or
> something else happens to them.  Bearing in mind the argument of economic
> value, then, if given 1 million victims, we should expect the age groups
> 10 and below, and 60 and above, to be heavily over-represented and the age
> group 10-60 to be heavily under-represented.

So, like the total volume goes *down* right?

Actually, that is a pointless statement.  I had considered doing just that,
but then reality set in.  The fact is most of those chosen for work died
anyway and would be burned, so the *total* amount wouldn't really change much.



> You are assuming that the perpetrators are thinking these things through.
> If they had thought them through, they would have taken greater pains to
> remove cyanide traces from the Kremas, among many other things.

No point here.  This exercise is to demonstrate how difficult (or not)
it would be to make ash "disappear".


> >Dumping 25% on fields means 370 m^3.  Let's say, for argument,
> >that we dump it on 50 hectares of fields.  Fifty hectares is
> >500 000 m^2, which means we cover it to the astounding depth
> >of .74 millimeters.  Hey, let's go full bore and dump *all*
> >the ash there.  That brings us to an absolutely overwhelming
> >thickness of (hold your breath here) 3 millimeters.
> 
> Again, this assumes a concern about secrecy and security belied by the
> many mass graves that are located throughout Eastern Europe.  It also
> assumes mechanisms for the thin distribution of ash over 124 that I
> haven't heard of yet.  Sure, it _could_ have been done.  But _was_ it
> done?
> >
> >That fifty hectares is 124 acres.  Does Giwer suggest that the
> >Nazis could not find 124 acres to dump some ashes on?
> 
> You don't suppose the local farmers would want to know what was going on?

You mean the ones who came to collect the ash to spread on their fields?


> >The same rapid diminuation takes place dumping it on lakes.  Say
> >we have an small lake 1 km by 2 km.  That is 2 square kilometers.
> >There are 100 hectares in a square kilometer.  Our lake is
> >200 hectares in size.  If we dump all the ash we cover the bottom
> >to an average depth of 0.74 millimeters.
> 
> I don't think there are any lakes of that magnitude is the area, and you
> are also assuming an even distribution which would be difficult to
> accomplish.

Fine.  Take two lakes half the size.  Take four a quarter.  Hell, take
a few ponds.  The point is still the same.  The ash can be made to go
away effortlessly.


> >Now Matt will probably get all cranky and start yelling about
> >1 centimeter mesh and so forth.  So, in order to forestall the
> >tantrum, lets assume that all the bone particles are at least
> >1 cc in size (1 cm cubes).  Assuming that the fragments are
> >scattered to form a layer two particles high (2 centimeters),
> >we get an area required of 74 050 m^2 or 7.4 hectares.  Our lake
> >is 200 hectares, remember?  This means the bone will cover 4%
> >of the lake's surface.  That means the odds of drilling and
> >actually hitting bone aren't very good.  It gets worse the
> >thicker the bone layer.  At 4 centimeters high we're down to 2%,
> >and so on.  Unless you know *exactly* where that ash was dumped
> >the odds of finding it aren't very good.
> 
> This is better.  So where is this lake?  As far as where the ash is
> dumped, I think we can surmise that it would be dumped at a point where
> the road comes close to the lake?

You tell me.  Matt wonders where all the ash went.  I told him.  Prove me
wrong.


> >Wow.  No problem to get rid of that ash at all.
> >
> 
> I like thought experiments.  The only problem with them, and this one in
> particular, is that it seriously understates the energy requirements
> involved in the distribution.

What energy requirements?  We are talking about a few dozen truckloads.
Are you going to tell me that the Germans could not manage to find the
gas to operate a few dumptrucks over the span of a year or two?

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Miloslav Bilik wrote:

> >       Since this is your field, why are you ignorant of the velocity
> >difference between the boundaries of a river and the center of a
> >river?  Or are you overlooking what you clearly have to know in the
> >rush to create some plausibility for the idea that the ashes would
> >have washed away so quickly?
> 
> You can easily find the actual average flow of the Vistula is 970m^3/s
> at Varsow.

Woohoo, *numbers*!

Going back to the Amazon, it discharges 3 million tonnes of sediment per day
with an water flow between 34 and 121 million litres per second.  We'll
use the higher figure.  Given 1000 litres/ m^3 we get a flow of 121 000
cubic meters per second.  Three million tonnes a day is 34.7 tonnes per
second.  That is .00029 tonnes per cubic meter of sediment transported.

If we take 2.7 kilos of cremated remains per person, with a million
people we get 2700 tonnes.  Assuming the Vistula can carry the same
sediment load as the Amazon, that 2700 tonnes requires 9 310 345 m^3
to move it.  At the given flow rate, this will require a grand total
of 960 seconds.

Oh dear.  I seem to have gotton rid of all the ash in 16 minutes...

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Gord McFee wrote:

> :>> Yo go, Matt!!  Tell those ornery Canadians!!  We're never gonna say
> :>> "hoose" in America!!!!!
> :>>
> :>> USA USA USA USA!!!
> :>
> :>Second-fastest country in the world...
> 
> Hehehe.  I guess you could say second-fastest individually (100-meter dash) or
> collectively (400-meter relay).  :-)

I'm sorry?  Second-fastest in men's 100 meters?  Which Olympics were you
watching?  I was quite sure that the US finished behind those sport
powerhouses of Namibia and Trinidad and Tobago.  All behind Donovan,
of course.

Quote heard during the men's 4 x 100:

"We're gonna kick Canadian butt!"

"Quite possible.  After all, you are *behind* them..."

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Gord McFee wrote:

> :>> Yo go, Matt!!  Tell those ornery Canadians!!  We're never gonna say
> :>> "hoose" in America!!!!!
> :>>
> :>> USA USA USA USA!!!
> :>
> :>Second-fastest country in the world...
> 
> Hehehe.  I guess you could say second-fastest individually (100-meter dash) or
> collectively (400-meter relay).  :-)

I'm sorry?  Second-fastest in men's 100 meters?  Which Olympics were you
watching?  I was quite sure that the US finished behind those sport
powerhouses of Namibia and Trinidad and Tobago.  All behind Donovan,
of course.

Quote heard during the men's 4 x 100:

"We're gonna kick Canadian butt!"

"Quite possible.  After all, you are *behind* them..."

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug  9 09:53:01 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Giwer is a moron beyond words... (was McVay, never a Marine...)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 19:06:12 -0300
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Gord McFee wrote:

> :>> Yo go, Matt!!  Tell those ornery Canadians!!  We're never gonna say
> :>> "hoose" in America!!!!!
> :>>
> :>> USA USA USA USA!!!
> :>
> :>Second-fastest country in the world...
> 
> Hehehe.  I guess you could say second-fastest individually (100-meter dash) or
> collectively (400-meter relay).  :-)

I'm sorry?  Second-fastest in men's 100 meters?  Which Olympics were you
watching?  I was quite sure that the US finished behind those sport
powerhouses of Namibia and Trinidad and Tobago.  All behind Donovan,
of course.

Quote heard during the men's 4 x 100:

"We're gonna kick Canadian butt!"

"Quite possible.  After all, you are *behind* them..."

--
Keith Morrison
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From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug  9 09:54:16 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 960804: SIRC has been stopped!
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Gord McFee wrote:

> :>> This means that the Jewish Lobby has been dealt a significant setback by a
> :>> Canadian Court.  A gentile judge, fully cognizant of the reaction he was
> :>> going to cause, ruled ultimately to thwart them in their scheme to get
> :>> Ernst deported over this citizenship matter.
> :>
> :>God, I love spin-doctoring.  For those south of the border the judgement
> :>was made because of the possibility of bias by the SIRC.  To make it
> :>short, since the SIRC had (accurately) described Zuendel as a racist
> :>and denier last year, the judge felt that it would be improper for them
> :>to consider whether he could get citizenship because they would probably
> :>not give him an objective evaluation because they had already shown they
> :>disliked him.
> 
> Her ghostwriters are good, aren't they Keith?  You have described the truth of
> the matter quite well.  I would only add that the decision will almost
> certainly be appealed, as it is silly.  It stands for the proposition that a
> security service discovers that someone has been a member of a terrorist group
> and then cannot investigate the person because of perceived bias.  Give me a
> break.

You and me both.  I hadn't really thought about it until I wrote the
above message down, reread it and realized what a stupid idea the whole
thing was.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug  9 18:48:20 PDT 1996
Article: 56139 of alt.revisionism
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 20:28:32 -0300
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Miloslav Bilik wrote:

> >       Since this is your field, why are you ignorant of the velocity
> >difference between the boundaries of a river and the center of a
> >river?  Or are you overlooking what you clearly have to know in the
> >rush to create some plausibility for the idea that the ashes would
> >have washed away so quickly?
>
> You can easily find the actual average flow of the Vistula is 970m^3/s
> at Varsow.

Woohoo, *numbers*!

Going back to the Amazon, it discharges 3 million tonnes of sediment per day
with an water flow between 34 and 121 million litres per second.  We'll
use the higher figure.  Given 1000 litres/ m^3 we get a flow of 121 000
cubic meters per second.  Three million tonnes a day is 34.7 tonnes per
second.  That is .00029 tonnes per cubic meter of sediment transported.

If we take 2.7 kilos of cremated remains per person, with a million
people we get 2700 tonnes.  Assuming the Vistula can carry the same
sediment load as the Amazon, that 2700 tonnes requires 9 310 345 m^3
to move it.  At the given flow rate, this will require a grand total
of 9600 seconds.
 
Oh dear.  I seem to have gotton rid of all the ash in 160 minutes...

--
Keith Morrison
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From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug  9 20:32:17 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,can.politics
Subject: Re: The C-FAR drinking game: Zundel and SIRC
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Rich Graves quoting C-FAR wrote:
> 
> As seen on Declan McCullagh's so-called fight-censorship list, whose
> moderator is not allowing followups in this thread; forwarded for your
> amusement. The referenced report of the independent Security Intelligence
> Review Committee, reviewing the work of CSIS, is at
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/sirc/heritage-front/
> 
> The rules:
> 
>  Questionable assertion: 1 swig.
>  Unfounded finding: 2 swigs.
>  Direct lie: 4 swigs.
>  Obvious fabrication: chug.
> 
> -rich
>  http://www.c2.org/~rich/
> 
> To: fight-censorship+@andrew.cmu.edu
> Subject:      CSIS SAYS ARA TORCHED ZUNDEL'S HOUSE
> From: c-far@df.org (C-FAR)
> Message-ID: <8C5E06A.0017000133.uuout@df.org>
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 02:46:00 -0400
> Organization: Digital Freedom BBS / Toronto, ON. 416-462-3327 416-465-4767
> 
> CSIS Calls Itself “Canada’s Political Police” & States ARA Torched
> Zundel’s House

I wash tryin' to read shome more but I had *hic* thish problem
becuz I was intoxicolaated...inebriatatated...stoned drunk by the
time I hit the second par...para...parogie...parachute...*hic*, uh
second big buncha of words.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug  9 21:39:39 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Department Of Defense Wants To Censor Revisionism
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Alec Grynspan wrote:
> 
> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> >
> >         Ooooo.  Another threat.  Golly gee.  I'm really worried.
> >
> >         I think I'll make the call tonight.
> 
> Matt does not have any children.

...or at least none that will admit to it.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another class action lawsuit
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 00:29:23 -0300
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Gord McFee wrote:

> I wonder how many millenia ago Huber-entity's ancestors stopped living in
> trees.

With the recent work on SNC chondrites, I wonder if the Huber Clan is
actually from Earth to begin with.

Think NASA will fork out a grant to study this?  I know we wouldn't
be describing intelligent extraterrestrial life, but it's better than
nothing.

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Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sat Aug 10 09:53:50 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: 960809: The enemy's worst nightmare
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E. Zundel Repost wrote:

> The second avenue is something all of us CAN do, and it is this:  to
> rewrite our inner script to the effect that what we do is nothing to be
> hidden.
> 
> This is so basic to the Aryan nature that it bespeaks the depths of the
> intimidation that has been heaped on us that I would even have to spell it
> out.  It is so ludicrously simple.  We want the truth.  We don't like being
> lied to.  

Indeed.  Well this "Aryan" (and I can prove it) would like Ernst to tell
us all about his South Pole Nazi UFO Base expedition.

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Keith Morrison
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Subject: Re: listen up, Alec G.
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Matt Giwer wrote:

(HTML spam deleted)

> Other than the mistake I made about the
> >density of apatite, which subsequent posters have indicated that I
> >may not have been as wrong as I thought, I stand by everything
> >I wrote.
> 
> >And as for the lakes, you ignorant putz, I believe that 1481
> >cubic meters of bone ash, which I roughly calculated would be
> >formed by burning 1 million men, women and children, dumped in a
> >lake 1 km by 2 km in size, would form a layer 0.4 mm thick.
> 
>         AND complelely measureable even with 1945 technology.

But we're not talking about 1945, bonehead, we're talking *now*.  Have
you ever seen a core taken from soil, Mattie?  Even once?  Sure, you
can detect such a layer.  But do you know how hard it is to see something
0.4 millimeters thick?  Try it sometime.  Take a 0.5 mm mechanical pencil
and draw a straight line across a sheet of paper.  Then paint the paper
black and brown, crumple it up and bury it for a year.

Then show me how easy it is to see that single line.  Idiot.



> >>         You really should find the time to follow the discussion or withdraw
> >> until you have the time.
> 
> >People living in glass houses...
> 
>         I would suggest you learn what that means.

"A person who complains about others making the same mistake he is, a hypocrite".

Accurate enough, Mr. Giwer.  You hypocrite.


> >According to Giwer Math, 0.4 millimeters is such a TERRIBLY ENORMOUS
> >thickness that people should be struggling through it.  Accordingly,
> >everything you have to say about math is questionable.
> 
>         Find it.  No one ever looked for it even when it was fresh.

No no no, that's not the way it works.  Nice try, bonehead, but no cigar.
And why would they bother looking in 1945?  They had thousands of witnesses,
truckloads of documents, lots of confessions.  I doubt that they thought
that fifty years later an unemployed loser such as yourself would demand
evidence for the blatently obvious.


> >> >BTW - even if it did, the ashes would have been a minor amount of that
> >> >and the river flow was still more than adequate to get rid of it all.
> >>
> >>         You certainly know more about fluid flow than to make that claim.  And
> >> then there are the lakes and the land.
> 
> >Lakes?  Lakes you say?  Like, more than one?  So that the total ash of 1 million
> >people might not form a 0.4 millimeter thickness in one lake but might be spread
> >over several, thus thinning it by several orders or magniture?
> 
> >Would you like me to relaod that shotgun you just fired into your foot?
> 
>         Show your assumptions and your math.  The chunks are on the order of
> 0.5 to 1 cm in size.  You millimeter stuff shows only that you are not
> interested in reading the NG.

Alright, but only if you pay attention this time.

Assuming a particle size of 10 millimeters square.  Assume 800 cubic meters
of these particles.  That is 800 000 000 cubic centimeters.  The *maximum*
area that can be covered is 80 000 square meters.  One hectare is 10000
square meters, thus this area is 8 hectares.

About twenty acres.  A small farm's worth.  Wow, hard to get rid of...


> >Hey Matt.  I bet you I can dump a truckload a day of ash in a slow moving
> >river the size of the Vistula and come back fifty years later to see that
> >it is gone.  Wanna bet?  I'll be around to check.  One of the advantages of
> >being a "youngster".
> 
>         Read the fucking newsgroup before you jump again.  DejaNews will get
> you up to date.  READ IT ALL!

Sure thing.  Only, I read almost everything said here.  Especially your stuff.
And trust me, bonehead, you should get a clue.

As for DejaNews it is my number three bookmark.  Would you like I should go
there and dig up some stuff you still haven't answered, cheesebrain?  I
thought not.


> >>         And if you review your fluid flow you will certainly agree the ashes
> >> are either still there or an estimatable distance downstream moving as
> >> a mass.  That the Russians did not feel it necessary to verify the
> >> stories in 1945 speaks volumes for the basis for their case.
> 
> >Bullshit, Giwer.  What you know about hydrogeology I can write on the tip of
> >my pinkie finger with a paintbrush.  A slowly moving mass going downriver?
> >Absolute garbage.  Even if this stuff did sink it would not stay in one place
> >or move as a unit.  Even heavy metals like gold are distributed downstream
> >and certainly do not move as a mass, so I have no idea why the laws of
> >nature should suddenly change just Because! You! Say! So!
> 
>         You blew it badly lying about the fluid flow rates on the banks and
> bottoms of rivers.
> 
>         And now you are pissed and want to save your ego with an attack.
> 
>         That is human and understandable.
> 
>         That you remain on the attack when so clearly wrong is not
> understandable.

It should be for you.  Want to tell us again when the term "United Nations"
was first used?

You will note that Giwer cannot respond and thus is reduced to the childish
tactic of saying "Is not!  Is not!"

Get a clue, you simpering twit.

--
Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The Internet Holocaust Denier's Commandments
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:00:25 -0300
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The Holocaust Denier's Commandments

1.  Zundel, Faurisson and Leuchter are your gods and thou shalt never
    question any words they utter no matter how foolish or silly
    they are.

2.  Thou shall sayest "The Holocaust never happened."

3.  Thou shalt sayest "The Jews deserved it."

4.  Thou shalt never explain how commandments 2 and 3 are both true.

5.  Verily, thou shalt know the truth and and ignore it.

6.  Thou shalt never give an accurate quote complete and in context.

7.  Thou shalt never admit a mistake no matter how blatant and stupid.

8.  Thou shalt demonstrate thy ignorance in as many fields as possible.

9.  When thy argument is proven wrong and thy reputation is wrecked
    by thine own actions, thou shalt blame thy stupidity on the Jews.

10. Thou shalt use big words thou do not understand.

11. Thou shalt lie even when thine own lies are cast in pixels before
    thine eyes.




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tom moran wrote:
> 
> 
>         Books out to sell the Holocaust story all follow the same general
> path of topics. Naturally they go on about mass gassing and cremation,
> and also the acitivities of the Einsatzgruppens, the preceding
> "anti-Semitism" and such. They all also give considerable treatment to
> establishing a sufficient Jewish population preceding 1939. After all,
> if they are trying to claim 6 million Jews were put to death, they
> have to show that there were enough Jews in the arena to have been
> killed.
>        Of course fabricators can get themselves into problems when
> they carry the accounts too far. Just focusing on one book, say Yehuda
> Bauer's, "The History of the Holocaust", we can find in just a short
> span, a number of problems. He includes in his version of establishing
> a sufficient Jewish population "Table 2.1", "Jewish population
> (estimated)". In this table he has three verticle columns:
> 
>    Year             Jews in Europe             Total Jews world wide
>    1650                700,000                     1,750,000
>    1700               1,000,000                    1,250,000
>    1750               1,250,000                    2,250,000
>    1800               1,500,000                    2,500,000
>    1825               2,730,000                    3,281,000
>    1840               3,600,000                    4,500,000
>    1850               4,127,000                    4,764,500
>    1860               5,200,000                    6,000,000
> "Source:Arthur Ruppin, Soziologie der Juden (Berlin, 1931), pp. 81,89"

Oh God, not bleeding again...

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From: t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY)
Subject: Re: Hebrew Numerology
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:07:14 GMT

In article <4dge36$ehj@zippy.cais.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

[deletia]
>       Of course fabricators can get themselves into problems when
>they carry the accounts too far. Just focusing on one book, say Yehuda
>Bauer's, "The History of the Holocaust", we can find in just a short
>span, a number of problems. He includes in his version of establishing
>a sufficient Jewish population "Table 2.1", "Jewish population
>(estimated)". In this table he has three verticle columns:

>   Year             Jews in Europe             Total Jews world wide
>   1650                700,000                     1,750,000
>   1700               1,000,000                    1,250,000
>   1750               1,250,000                    2,250,000
>   1800               1,500,000                    2,500,000
>   1825               2,730,000                    3,281,000
>   1840               3,600,000                    4,500,000
>   1850               4,127,000                    4,764,500
>   1860               5,200,000                    6,000,000
>"Source:Arthur Ruppin, Soziologie der Juden (Berlin, 1931), pp. 81,89"


>        Right in the beginning we can see the list showing that the European
>Jewish population increased 7 1/2 times, from 700,000 to 5,200,000 in
>just 210 years. In 1650 there were 700,000 in Europe and 1,050,000
>else where. In 1860 there were 5,200,000 in Europe and only 800,000
>else where. Seems there was a Jewish population explosion in Europe
>and a decline elsewhere. Or there was the explosion in Europe and many
>of those elsewhere migrated to Europe. Whichever, the source doesn't
>say.
>        Anyway it seems that Bauer's list has Jewish population expanding at
>an incredible rate between 1650 and 1860, where between 1800 and 1825
>alone the "estimated" Jewish population almost doubled from 1,500,000
>to 2,730,000 in the 25 year period, all this increase taking place
>during a time when the average life expectancy of man was about 50
>some years, further stressed by wars, famines and plagues, and the
>Jews undergoing "massive progroms".

[...]

>        ("Argumentum ad ignorantum: An argument purporting to demonstrate a
>point or to persuade people, which avails itself of facts and reasons
>the falsity or inadequacy of which is not readily diserned.")
>          
>        By the early 20th Century Bauer, using a map from map happy Gilbert,
>has the Jewish population up to 8,700,000 in Europe and 11,487,000
>world wide.
>        Its obvious that Holocaust books give consider effort to establishing
>Jewish populations in order to show that there were enough Jews in
>Europe to be killed and add up to 6,000,000.  Without such treatment
>the story would be more stressed than it is on other fronts.
>        As usual, in their blantant tossing around of terms and numbers, they
>include something that further throws suspicions on their claims, and
>in this case Bauer offers us a map from Martin Gilbert:


Wow!  A Holocaust book printed in *1931*, before Hitler came to power, 
before the first concentration camp was built, before Auschwitz.  That 
Ruppin guy must have been some prescient dude.

Idiot.

Enough of that, let us proceed to the numbers.

Population growth is exponential and proceeds according to the formula


                      P=PoE^(at)                     Eqn 1
where
    P = population after time t
    Po= original population
    E = exponential constant e (2.718281828...)
    t = time in years
    a = growth rate

Rearranging terms and taking the natural log of both sides of the equation, 
we get

                      Ln(P/Po)=at                    Eqn 2

>From  which

                      a=(Ln(P/Po))/t                 Eqn 3

comes naturally.

Given a European Jewish population of 700 000 in 1650 and 5 200 000 in 
1860,we have the formula we get 

                 P = 5 200 000
                 Po= 700 000
                 t = 210

Substituting into Equation 3, we get a=.00949 or a growth of 0.949% per 
year.

Massimo Livi-Bacci in _Storia Minima della Popolazione del Mondo_ (1989), 
(translated as _A Concise History of World population_, 1992, ISBN 1-55786-
269-9) estimated the total European population in 1600 to be 89 million and 
in 1850 to be 209 million, which equals a growth rate of 0.3415% per year.  
>From  this it would seem that Jews had a growth rate 3 times that of other 
Europeans.

However this is in error because just over 1 000 000 Jews were living 
outside Europe in 1650, whereas there were only 250 000 in 1700.  It is 
reasonable to assume that a large percentage of that population shifted to 
Europe.  Given that this is impossible to prove given Moran's figures, a 
more reasonable approach would be to use the total number of Jews worldwide.
Those figures give a population growth of 0.587% per year, still slightly 
greater than the European average but not excessive.

However, Table 1.3 on page 31 of the book shows some interesting figures.
The growth rate of the population in Europe from 1AD to 1750 was about .06%  
but jumped in 1750-1950 to .64% (*10* times higher).  The Jewish population 
increase falls below this, so we obviously know that such growth rates are 
possible.

Just as a comparison the 1750-1950 period has growth rates in the USSR at 
.82%, even given the slaughter of WW2 and Stalin's killings.  The total 
world population growth was approximetly .6%

Now, about that population doubling between 1800 and 1825.

First, Moran's methodology is, of course, bogus.  The European Jewish 
population increased from 1 500 000 to 2 730 000.  However, the *world* 
Jewish population increased from 2 500 000 to 3 281 000, an increase of only 
781 000 people as opposed to a European increase of 1 230 000.  How do you 
explain how the total world Jewish population increased by a lesser amount 
than the European?  The intuitive answer is migration.  An obvious response 
is that, like between 1650 and 1700, a great many Jews may have migrated 
into Europe.  The numbers alone don't give any indication, thus there is no 
evidence the numbers are bogus.  This rate of increase, BTW is 1.087%

Is there another population group that shows such a population increase?  If 
there is, that would negate Moran's conclusion that such numbers are 
impossible.

As a matter of fact there is such a group and they are rather near and dear 
to me. 

In 1684 the population of Quebec was approximetly 12 000 people.  In 1784, 
one hundred years later, the French population was 132 000, an average 
annual growth rate of a relatively monstrous 2.4% per year (H. Charbonneau, 
"Essai sur l'evolution demographique du Quebec de 1534 a 2034" _Cahiers 
Quebecois de demographie_, 13 (1984), p. 13).  

There were a total of about 15 000 immigrants into Quebec between 1600 and 
1700 (when immigration from France essentially ceased).  About 2/3 of that 
population returned to France for one reason or another or did not have a 
family, thus the population growth did not rely to any significant extant on 
migration (indeed, there has almost always been a net move of population 
*out* by Quebecois).  There was an average of 4.2 *married* children per 
couple (6.3 total children) which meant a population doubling within a 
single generation (less than 30 years) by birth *alone*.  These people lived 
before the sudden population jump Moran is concerned with, on the frontiers 
of the known world, with a harsher climate, during several wars etc etc.

Why did this sudden increase occur, when the numbers from Normandy, where 
most of the settlers came from, are nowhere close?  Several reasons.  The 
settlers married younger (almost 4 years earlier than their cousins back 
home), had 5 more years of life expectancy, and women had twice the rate of 
second marriages in Quebec as in France, thus leading to more children.  The 
last datapoint is explained by the fact that France, like most established 
countries, had about a 50/50 male female split so a widow didn't have much 
chance of a second marriage while most of the settlers in Quebec were male, 
thus they outnumbered females.  Given the fact that the odds were a woman 
would be a widow at a younger age (due to the lower marrying age), thus 
presumably still attractive to a man, and would live longer with a higher 
fertility rate, the odds of a second batch of kids could be very good.

This information is not new.  In 1776 Adam Smith noted that the American 
colonies were doubling their population every 20 or 25 years, mostly due to 
birth and not immigration (Livi-Bacci, p 56).  He also noted it was not 
unusual for an elderly colonist to see 100 descendants or more.  Back in 
Quebec, a couple named Jean Guyon and Mathurine Robin who landed in 1608 had 
2150 descendants by 1730.  That is a growth rate (for that family) of an 
incredible 5.72%  Given a generation of about 25 years, the family 
population had increased 1075 times in five generation.

Rabbits don't breed that fast.

So what does all this prove?

Tom Moran has no idea what he is talking about.  Not only is his (apparent) 
assumptions about population wrong he also blows it when he claims such 
numbers are unrealistic.  In fact, there is another population that has 
demonstrated growth *twice* that of what he claims is unrealistic for the 
Jews and they did it a full century earlier in an uncivilized frontier.

His methodology stinks.  He apparently refuses to consider large scale 
population movements as a cause of population changes in Europe.  He fails 
to see how the Jews could maintain a population increase given such things 
as wars and disease and pogroms when Russia-USSR managed an even *larger* 
growth rate after suffing through Czarist purges, famine, Stalin's purges, 
the Second World War and yet more famine.

Finally, he presents this information from 1931.  Information possibly six 
and a half decades out of date.  It may be accurate, it may not.  I doubt 
it's the only book on the subject to be written in the last 65 years.  Which 
leads one to wonder why he chose it.  Is it perhaps because it gives numbers 
that he thought "proved" there was intentional fiddling with the figures?

Too bad there is no such proof.


>Exaggerations, thorough fabrications - lies. Thats this aspect of the
>Holocaust story, as with the rest.      

Misinterpretation, incomprehension and outright stupidity.  That's this 
aspect of the denier method, as is the rest.

Yet another for the "Tom Moran screws up...again" file.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 11 07:34:57 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Creationist/exterminationist similarities
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 15:24:35 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >Sorry, Matt--you're the creationist here.  You're the one arguing
> >a fringe position, not even regarded as worthy of debate by experts
> >in the field.
> 
>         So did Wegner.  So what?

The only problem is that Wegner had evidence.  You got zippo, nada and
even less.  What cooked Wegner's goose at the time was the mechanism
he proposed which geologists knew wouldn't work, *not* that continents
never moved.

Do try and stick to things you understand.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 11 08:25:45 PDT 1996
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:

> PS... Finstenovstein has returned Britannia, and she is once
> again safely moored here (MV Britannia, not Finstenovstein), at the
> ZOGCANW docks. We are considering your application to borrow her (MV
> Britannia, not Finstenovstein) for the 1997-98 Fiscal Year & Sailing
> Season, and will advise you in Toronto, at the occasion of our "Wolf
> it down at Wolfie's" meeting.

Hey, *I* was supposed to get Britannia.  Oh well, what can you do
when *some* people obviously are sucking up to the boss...

Can I at least keep my Seawolf Class SSN?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
> 
> In article <4u1h8g$b15@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
> (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
> 
> >         Parliament does not apply in the US and never will.  We are armed.
> 
> Is this the Mr. Giwer who never makes threats?

Nah, it's the Mr Giwer who tries to use a gun as a phallic symbol to
replace his lack of testes when it comes to facing up to his errors.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 01:25:34 -0700, mschnei1@isd.net wrote:
> 
> >In article <4ujjeu$8k1@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
> >(Matt  Giwer) wrote:
> 
> >> >"Holohuggers"?  Give me evidence that the Holocaust didn't exist!
> >>
> >>         That is not the subject.  The subject is mass extermination by
> >> gassing.  Be the first provide physical evidence that the subject
> >> happened.  You can make quite a name for yourself if you do.
> 
> >That's rather tough. The worms have eaten the bodies by now.
> 
>         Where have you been?  They were all cremated and thus the remains were
> preserved for all eternity or at least for a thousand years in their
> size.  But even with worms the bones would still be there.  It is only
> 50 years.

Please explain the mechanism by which bone can survive forever in its unaltered
natural state.

(Note: if this was true, we'd be tripping over the bones of every animal that
ever died in the last three hundred million years.)

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         A wise man can not be baited.

Which explains why it is so easy to get your goat.

--
Keith Morrison
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Stefan Schneider wrote:
> 
> In article <4uehl5$4g7@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt
> Giwer) wrote:
> >And it is the umpteenth time (for those of you in Canada, that means
> >many times) you have failed to note that "the greater part" is a
> >technical term in German referring to exponential decrease.
> 
> I'm astonished to see Mr. Giwer knowing aspects of the german language
> that hid from me for over thirty years.
> Wenn Sie behaupten, dass es im Deutschen so etwas wie einen speziellen
> technischen Ausdruck gaebe, der der 'groessere Teil' heisst und der
> Meinung sind, dass dieser Ausdruck generell bedeutet, dass man bezug auf
> irgendeinen Prozess einer exponentiellen Abnahme nimmt, dann sind Sie
> furchtbar schief gewickelt.
> Know what I mean?

I assume we can now add "German" to the list of items that Matt Giwer,
The Self Proclaimed Master of All, knows nothing?

C'mon, Matt.  Let's see you try and talk your way out of your goof
this time.  I'm sure the German speakers watching will be amused
to no end.

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >Assuming a particle size of 10 millimeters square.  Assume 800 cubic meters
> >of these particles.  That is 800 000 000 cubic centimeters.  The *maximum*
> >area that can be covered is 80 000 square meters.  One hectare is 10000
> >square meters, thus this area is 8 hectares.
> 
> >About twenty acres.  A small farm's worth.  Wow, hard to get rid of...
> 
>         Been there, done that, did you miss my post on the subject?  Your
> particle size is WRONG.  Correct it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!  Hey Giwer, is the metric system now one of your areas of
ignorance?  Surely a physics major such as yourself realizes that 10 millimeters
is *exactly* the same size as 1 centimeter?  What an idiot.  What's the matter,
they never taught you weights and measures in your so-called education?


>         More clearly that means that the questions McVay invented AFTER he
> publically announced I was in his killfile will not be answered in any
> form.  I hope that is clear to you.

No no no, I mean questions that *I* asked you.  Some dating long before Ken
kill filed you.  *My* questions are:

1.  What hominid averaged seven feet in height?
2.  How many bones does _Gray's Anatomy_ say form the skull and pelvis?
3.  What are the hard parts of foams made of?
4.  When was the tape recorder invented?
5.  When was the term "United Nations" first used?

--
Keith Morrison
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From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 11 17:24:51 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Except from Rudolf Report -- Zyklon B
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:45:53 -0300
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
> 
> In article <320b42ba.1615344@news.pacificnet.net>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom
> moran) wrote:
> 
> >         It is just another part of the Holocaust Achilles heal.
> 
> DEFINITION PLEASE: Achilles heal.
> 
> I'm down with the flu, and not up to attempting this one.

A bandage placed on a cut by a Greek hero.  Simple, really.  Just
like Tommy.

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Keith Morrison
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From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 11 17:24:51 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: listen up, Alec G.
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:41:10 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >>      That a designer can ever know more than the user of the design is an
> >>absurdity of the first magnitude.
> 
> >    Everyone who uses a TV set knows all about antenna design, cathode ray
> >tubes, frequencies, transistors, etc.  Is that the claim you are indeed
> >making?
> 
>         No.

Well *that* ranks right up there in the running for Most Blatant Lie of the Week.

"That the designer can ever know more than the user of a design is an absurdity
 of the first magnitude."

That is what you said.  Tell us, Speaker of Lies, what *did* you mean, if not
what you wrote?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 11 21:47:18 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: none but the polarized
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:43:19 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         That is all who are here publically.  They will never change.
> 
>         This NG is for the lurkers.
> 
>         Of what value to claim a post is irrational when a lurker can read it
> and find it rational?

Indeed.  Or the words of a self-confessed liar who claims he does not
lie.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:37:17 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 08 Aug 1996 20:28:32 -0300, Keith Morrison 
> wrote:
> 
> >Miloslav Bilik wrote:
> 
> >> >       Since this is your field, why are you ignorant of the velocity
> >> >difference between the boundaries of a river and the center of a
> >> >river?  Or are you overlooking what you clearly have to know in the
> >> >rush to create some plausibility for the idea that the ashes would
> >> >have washed away so quickly?
> >>
> >> You can easily find the actual average flow of the Vistula is 970m^3/s
> >> at Varsow.
> 
> >Woohoo, *numbers*!
> 
> >Going back to the Amazon, it discharges 3 million tonnes of sediment per day
> >with an water flow between 34 and 121 million litres per second.  We'll
> >use the higher figure.  Given 1000 litres/ m^3 we get a flow of 121 000
> >cubic meters per second.  Three million tonnes a day is 34.7 tonnes per
> >second.  That is .00029 tonnes per cubic meter of sediment transported.
> 
> >If we take 2.7 kilos of cremated remains per person, with a million
> >people we get 2700 tonnes.  Assuming the Vistula can carry the same
> >sediment load as the Amazon, that 2700 tonnes requires 9 310 345 m^3
> >to move it.  At the given flow rate, this will require a grand total
> >of 9600 seconds.
> >
> >Oh dear.  I seem to have gotton rid of all the ash in 160 minutes...
> 
>         You REFUSE to respond to me on the issue of the actual size of the
> bone fragments.  You REFUSE to respond to me on current speed near the
> banks and bottom.
> 
>         Yet you continue to try to represent bone fragments as mud.
> 
>         This is clearly an attempt to decieve on your part.
> 
>         You are joining two self professed chemists in the matter of deception
> despite scientific knowledge.
> 
>         It is rather disgusting to see people do things like this.
> 
>         But then in your case, a strong back was a terrible thing to waste.

Alright, you arrogant sonuvabitch, you show me that all a river *ever* moves,
even a slow moving one, is silt-sized particles.  You show me that *all* the
ground bone was 1 centimeter across and then tell me how in hell you devise
a grinding method to ensure no particles get smaller.

And then, once you've done all that, try and explain how the hell erosion
ever manages to occur if only silt sized particles can be moved.

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Keith Morrison
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >Now for the $64 questions.
> 
> >1. What happens to calcium carbonate when heated?
> 
> >2. What happens to that(1) when placed in water?
> 
> >3. What happens to that(2) when exposed to CO2?
> 
>         When bones are heated the small bones will go down to ash.  The large
> bones become brittle from the loss of the organic material that kept
> them flexible.  At the end of the cremation process they are ground to
> some fragment size.
> 
>         Exposure of this relatively inert material to either water or CO2
> results in nothing.

Water and CO2 form an acidic solution.

Bone exposed to an acidic solution will dissolve.

Next stupid comment?

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Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Them lovely "chimneys" - kr2a.jpg (0/1)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:51:27 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         Since the chimneys are back in the news, here they are in all of their
> irregular, huge, shadowless glory from the aerial view.

No no no, stop looking in the mirror.  The photo, look at the photo.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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M Huber wrote:
> 
> >>after the Germans got the
> >>pile up to twenty feet and out of range of throwing distance
> >
> >How did they get twenty feet of shoes? Where did the shoes come from?
> >
> 
> The shoes were made in China, post-war. 

...and were transported, via the Illuminati/ZOG Joint Resources Teleportation
and Temporal Displacement Device, to Poland in 1944.

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Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: This Hour has 22 Thousand Posts...The Week in review.
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Huber lied.

Giwer lied.

Moran lied and got stuff wrong.

Join us next week for another edition of the Week in Review.

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Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:39:46 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         You REFUSE to respond to me on the issue of the actual size of the
> bone fragments.  You REFUSE to respond to me on current speed near the
> banks and bottom.

And another thing.  How do you expect me to talk with someone using math
if that person does not have the education to realize that 10 millimeters
is the same size as 1 centimeter?

Oh, I'm sorry, that's right.  In *your* universe, they aren't the same.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >Another effect that I did not mention was abrasion.  Apatite, the fifth
> >standard on Moh's scale, is softer than quartz and orthoclase, both
> >common constituents in sands and muds.  This being the case, apatite would
> >also be worn away faster than ordinary sediment.

>         It is good to see you are claiming it floats.
> 
>         Want to get back to fluid flow near the banks and bottom?  No?  I am
> not surprised, fool.

Alright, let's do that.  Please explain, if the water velocity near banks and
bottoms is insufficient to move gravels and smaller sized-particles, how a river
can change its course by erosion.

Well, fool?

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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article <320A6DF1.5A31@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
> >Oh dear.  I seem to have gotton rid of all the ash in 16 minutes...
> 
> ...but the Amazon is not in Poland... the Nasty Joos had hexed
> all of the rivers in Poland so that they wouldn't "work
> right," and that Nice Chappie Hitler simply _had_ to defend
> Germany against this blatant Ash Removal System Disruption
> Campaign. (Ask h*ber.)
> 
> But then you knew that....

Yes I did.  I also know I misplaced a decimal point.  It should
have read 160 minutes.  That is, for Giwer's benefit, about 0.03%
of a year, or .0006% of the time since the end of the Second World
War.

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tom moran wrote:
> 
> mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
> >>...The temperatures would be close to each other and still extreme.
> >
> >And on what basis have you determined that 500-700 C is an "extreme"
> >temprature for the flues? Please be specific in citing your sources. Or is
> >it simply Because Moran Says So?
> 
>         Or is it VanAlstine thinks not? "500-700 C", for the system
> proposed is extreme. In fact 500 to 700 C is extreme in general.
>         This temperature can melt tin, lead, aluminum.
>         Somewhere around 1000 C can melt copper and gold.
> 
>         Is this person, VanAlstine, an idiot? Seems so.

What do they melt tin. lead, aluminum, gold and iron in, Moran?
Magic baskets of adamantium?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ashholes was Re: "Ash Gets In Your Eyes" - Giwer's New Theme Song
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 19:21:07 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         800,000 at Treblinka x 5 lbs = 4,000,000 lbs = 2000 tons of bone
> fragments missing.  Buried in a 5 acre area.  400 tons of bone
> fragments
> per acre, approximately 15 pounds of bone fragments per square foot.

..spread through 21 vertical feet to give a density of 0.714 pounds
per cubic foot.
 
Bad try, pinhead.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:38:25 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:33:58 -0300, Keith Morrison 
> wrote:
> 
> >Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> >> >Another effect that I did not mention was abrasion.  Apatite, the fifth
> >> >standard on Moh's scale, is softer than quartz and orthoclase, both
> >> >common constituents in sands and muds.  This being the case, apatite would
> >> >also be worn away faster than ordinary sediment.
> 
> >>         It is good to see you are claiming it floats.
> >>
> >>         Want to get back to fluid flow near the banks and bottom?  No?  I am
> >> not surprised, fool.
> 
> >Alright, let's do that.  Please explain, if the water velocity near banks and
> >bottoms is insufficient to move gravels and smaller sized-particles, how a river
> >can change its course by erosion.
> 
> >Well, fool?
> 
>         Yes, I know how that happens.

How?  I'm breathless with anticipation.


>         But let us first answer the question of the difference in fluid flow
> rates at the boundaries and at the center.  It was your claim that a
> slow boundary flow meant a slow river flow.  Let us first examine this
> point in detail.

Please give the URL (DejaNews will do) where I claimed this.  Oh, never mind,
I'll do it myself.

This started when I said:

==
>from  t08o@unb.ca Mon Aug  5 07:05:25 PDT 1996
Message-ID: <32050A0A.63CE@unb.ca>

>From   a Hjulstrom Diagram, as modified by Sundborg in the 1956 _Geografiska Annaler_,
a water velocity of 1 m/s will lift a 1 cm quartz grain off the bottom.  1 m/s is
3.6 km/h.  This is below my calculations made earlier that assume a flow of 5 km/h,
which is a pretty damn slow river.
==

You replied, and I responded:

==
>From  t08o@unb.ca Wed Aug  7 13:28:20 PDT 1996
Message-ID: <3206148B.65D5@unb.ca>

         A river with that velocity near the shore or on the bottom is a very
> fast river in the center.  It is difficult to imagine any text on the
> subject that would not cover this in the first chapter.
> 
>         Since this is your field, why are you ignorant of the velocity
> difference between the boundaries of a river and the center of a
> river?  Or are you overlooking what you clearly have to know in the
> rush to create some plausibility for the idea that the ashes would
> have washed away so quickly?
> 
>         Perhaps, since this is your field, you are relying upon the ignorance
> of others in the matter to try to make a case that is not true?
> 
>         Or are you going to attempt to claim that fluid flow is the same at
> the center and at the boundaries?  That way you can write a great
> paper as to why all observations and measurements are to the contrary.

[snip]

Yes indeed this is not true in real life due to boundary effects as a
stream does not exhibit perfect laminar flow.  However, this 1 m/s
lifting velocity, if you were paying attention, is for a 1 cm piece
of quartz.  Quartz has a specific gravity of about 2.7.

What is the specific gravity of ash, Mr Giwer?  Someone less than
2.7, no?

Further, 1 cm is the *largest possible* fragment size.  If you grind
anything I will guarantee that a great deal will be much smaller than
the size of the sieve.  As such the velocity of water needed to lift
it lowers exponentially.

As a further note, this also assumes lifting off the bed of the stream
which is not required to move material downstream.  Material can roll
downstream and it happens all the time.  That's why ripples occur,
slowly making their way downstream and moving material along.
==

Note that I made one error, assuming that the bone "ash" was lighter
than quartz.  However information subsequently posted indicates that
I may have actually been right as bone is not pure apatite as I assumed,
and so has a lower specific gravity due to its porosity.

Furthermore, 1 m/s is 3.6 kilometers per hour.  I was using 5 km/h
in my original calculations (1.4 m/s).  This is about 3 miles per
hour.  As I said, a slow river.

However Mr Giwer has utterly failed to provide any sort of evidence
of how wrong I was.  He has negelected to use his vast intellect and
163 (his lowest score, he says) IQ to tell us all how *much* slower
boundary effects will cause the water to move.  From the figures
given above, my example will work if the slowing is 30% or less.
Mr Giwer has failed to provide any figures that prove it is more
than this.

In short, Mr Giwer is screaming at the top of his lungs claiming
victory when he has not yet made any effort to play.

 
>         Else simply drop it as an admission you tried to deceive the lurkers
> and give an opening to fellow holohuggers to promote their BS.

No deception, Giwer.  I may have made a simple mistake (although
you have not yet proven it) and have admitted it if I did.

Which is much more than you have *ever* done.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:49:57 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:39:46 -0300, Keith Morrison 
> wrote:
> 
> >Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> >>         You REFUSE to respond to me on the issue of the actual size of the
> >> bone fragments.  You REFUSE to respond to me on current speed near the
> >> banks and bottom.
> 
> >And another thing.  How do you expect me to talk with someone using math
> >if that person does not have the education to realize that 10 millimeters
> >is the same size as 1 centimeter?
> 
> >Oh, I'm sorry, that's right.  In *your* universe, they aren't the same.
> 
>         If you really thought your micrometer post meant millimeters may god
> grant you remedial math.

Caught you, you lying worm.  Find one post in this thread where I used the
word "micrometer".  I used "millimeter" every time.  Don't blame me for your
illiteracy.

I took the liberty of searching DejaNews looking for the term "micrometer".
Only *ONE* person has used it.  You, Giwer.  In the post that I am replying
to right now.

Care to explain yourself?  Or should we simply add this to the "Giwer Lies"
directory?

--
Keith morrison
t08o@unb.ca

More assorted Giwer "tru truths" to be found at:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Creationist/exterminationist similarities
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:19:02 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >> >Sorry, Matt--you're the creationist here.  You're the one arguing
> >> >a fringe position, not even regarded as worthy of debate by experts
> >> >in the field.
> >>
> >>         So did Wegner.  So what?
> 
> >The only problem is that Wegner had evidence.  You got zippo, nada and
> >even less.  What cooked Wegner's goose at the time was the mechanism
> >he proposed which geologists knew wouldn't work, *not* that continents
> >never moved.
> 
> >Do try and stick to things you understand.
> 
>         Wegner, as you know, had only the shape of the continents on his side.
> It would be good if you would learn what you are talking about some
> day.  He had NO mechanism for motion.  That mechanism did not come
> unil the mid-60s with the mid-Atlantic ridge being defined.

Wegener had:

  a) Continental shape, mostly the close fit between South America and Africa
  b) Apparent continuity between geological strata on either side of the South
     Atlantic
  c) Similar fossils found on either side.
  d) Similar glaciation patterns.

    http://www.chem.wsu.edu/phs298/298-ContPlate.html

(Incidently, it was Wegener who first came up with the name "Pangaea")

Wegener proposed that the continents sort of plowed around through the oceans
but geologists knew the concept was bogus since they could see no way of
forcing a continent through several miles of solid basalt.  Wegener was out
of his league here because he was a meteorologist, not a geoscientist, which
is why his "mechanism" wasn't really that logical or possible.

Still, it was a wonderful display of the scientific method.  Based on the
geographic, stratological and paleontological data, Wegener predicted that
the glaciation patterns would match and went to look for them.  And he was
right.

Oh, and the Mid Atlantic Ridge was identified in the 1950s.  Sea floor
spreading was proposed in 1960 by H.H. Hess, *not* the mid-60s.

Like I said, stick to things you understand.

> 
>         Sorry, nerfbrain, I have forgotten more about this than any riverine
> fluid flow "expert" will ever know.  Give it up.  You have not the
> slighest idea what is going on in the first place.

Yes, you obviously *have* forgotten more than I.  If you ever knew it.
And I wouldn't be calling people "nerfbrain" if I had screwed up like
you just did.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         Those who forget history are duomed to repeat it.

Those who use words no one has ever heard of before are
doomed to be laughing stocks.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

Giwer Word of the Week: "duomed"


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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:

> > And another thing.  How do you expect me to talk with someone using math
> > if that person does not have the education to realize that 10 millimeters
> > is the same size as 1 centimeter?
> 
> Easy. Talk to the Troll exactly as you would a brick wall. Though, I must
> admit, talking to a brick wall is a bit more pleasant....
> 
> > Oh, I'm sorry, that's right.  In *your* universe, they aren't the same.
> 
> In the the Troll's universe _nothing_ is the same!

I'm beginning to think those fossilized bacteria from Mars have more
intelligence.

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:15:09 -0300, Keith Morrison 
> wrote:

>         Lets get back to your claim that boundary flow rates are the same as
> the middle of the river flow rates, oh great expert on rivers.
> 
>         Are you ready to admit you made that one up out of whole cloth just to
> convince the lurkers?

Convince them of what?  That you are are a lying jerk?

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

Furthermore, you sanctimonious twit, I said *immediately* after you pointed
out that boundary effects would occur that you are correct.  I also made the
point that my calculations were for an idealized Vistula that may or may not
conform to the real thing but would at least give one some basis to form
an opinion.

In any event you are throwing up a canard and everyone knows it.  You scream
about boundary effects and have no concept about how sediment is moved.
Now what was it I originally stated?  Ah yes, here it is...

>Message-ID: <3204EF5B.4C89@unb.ca>
>From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug  4 21:51:42 PDT 1996

>You see, what Matt thinks (I believe) is that sediments have to be actually picked
>up to be moved downstream.  This is false.  Rocks can be rolled along the bottom,
>slowly but surely.

You never responded to that, bonehead.  You just kept screaming about "boundary
effects" as if those were the magic words that could hide the fact that you
once again have shifted your mouth into gear without engaging the clutch in
the brain.

To reiterate: sediment picked by water is *ONE* way it can be moved downstream.

Tell you what, why don't you go to Hopewell Cape in New Brunswick sometime.
Take a look at the famous flower pot rocks sometime.  Notice that they are
formed of conglomerate and the size of the peddles and cobbles that make it
up.  Then consider the fact those pebbles and cobbles originated about
forty kilometers or more from where they were deposited.

Then get back to me.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> 
> In <320FB57D.6234@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
> >Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> [...]
> 
> >>
> >> In the the Troll's universe _nothing_ is the same!
> 
> >I'm beginning to think those fossilized bacteria from Mars have more
> >intelligence.
> 
> What slow learners, you ZOGeasties are!  Us (superior) ZOGWESCAN types
> figured that out _thousands_ of troll-posts ago.

Us ZOGEASTCAN types were to busy fabricating the fossilized bacteria
to bother figuring out the relevance to the Troll.

Didn't you know that ZOGEASTCAN (Office of Official Paranormal Science,
aka OOPS) has had the Alien Bacteria Project (Project Babylon 5.02)
in development for the last twelve years?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Wed Aug 14 08:50:57 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: demography, the missing jews
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:51:46 -0300
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:

>   If one belive in the postwar communist statistics. If one avoid the fact
>  that the bulk of the russian Jews were evacuated before the German invasion
>  and could not account for 700,000 victims thus. I don't know the real number
>  of German, Polish Jews who were liquidates by bullets for the whole war
>  after their deportation in Eastern territories, but in their case, the number
>  is irrelevant to explain jewish loss for Soviet Union. You know probably
>  as me that there's evidence that the bulk of the Jews living in USSR were
>  evacuated before the German invasion.

Great!  So where are they?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Wed Aug 14 08:50:58 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "Ash Gets In Your Eyes" - Giwer's New Theme Song
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:49:27 -0300
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Ehrlich606 wrote:

> The problem with that line of thinking is that expecting a more or less
> normal distribution of age groups, that would imply that something on the
> order of 2.5 million people were cycled through AB.  I don't know if that
> was the case, and moreover, I don't think there was even distribution.
> Therefore the conventionalist position has always had adherents who insist
> that large numbers of economically potentially valuable and healthly Jews
> in the prime of life were gassed even though there were economic
> requirements for slave labor throughout the Third Reich.  Although
> documentation exists that Jews *sent to the East* were shot there,
> directly conflicting labor requirements (although the documents attempt to
> square the circle on this) the application of that policy within the KZ
> system itself seems rather more ambiguous.

Excuse me, but consider this.  The Nazis proceeded to murder people
who welcomed them as liberators from the communists, in the process
turning potentially hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of allies
against them.

Since when did logic have everything to do with what they did?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Wed Aug 14 12:16:33 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:28:43 -0300
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Miloslav Bilik wrote:

> >Oh dear.  I seem to have gotton rid of all the ash in 16 minutes...
> 
> Any denier will explain you that it is too fast to be true, that you
> did a mistake and any denier will do a guesswork to say that almost a
> week was necessary. It's a special kind of scientific reasoning.

It *is* to fast to be true.  I misplaced a zero.  The correct figure
was 160 minutes (two and a half plus a bit hours).  When I saw the
mistake I cancelled the post and placed the corrected figures.

Obvously, not fast enough .

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Wed Aug 14 14:43:48 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The coward McVay
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:21:37 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         But as with all holohuggers, he is a lying piece of shit who has no
> right to claim he is posting is public as he has not the teats to face
> her accusers.

Speaking of lies...

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

The Honest Giwer Response of the Week:

"...."


From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug 15 07:50:37 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:33:28 -0400, Alec Grynspan 
> wrote:
> 
> >Matt Giwer wrote:
> >>
> >>         You REFUSE to respond to me on the issue of the actual size of the
> >> bone fragments.  You REFUSE to respond to me on current speed near the
> >> banks and bottom.
> 
> >He already has responded.
> 
> >NEXT!
> 
>         Sorry, he dropped it.  He knows and you know it is false.

No I haven't you putz.  *YOU* have nor responded either to Alex's
comments on fluid flow *or* my demand for you to explain how rivers
can erode anything if they behave as you say they do.

Put up or shut up.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: McFee's abject begging
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote (in reply to
> Gord McFee's whining about ZOG perks):
> 
> >Finstenstein has the condo - believe me, she earned it. You can't have
> >it, period.  You could have contested it, and walked upon the River -
> >but you knew that.
> 
> Tee hee hee.  I knew I'd get my way.

Yeah yeah, sucking up again...*sheesh*.  Just when I thought the
ODD (Other Denominations Division) was getting control of ZOG these
FBs start taking over.

(Umm, did anyone notice that with all the acronyms someone might
confuse this newsgroup with the Unix-weenie fan clubs or else a
renegade Scientology faction?)

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

Just putting on my asbestos suit...


From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug 15 07:50:39 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust extermination claims
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:02:08 -0300
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Greg Raven wrote:
> 
> Ken Lewis wrote:
> >
> > In article <320D89B5.A14@kaiwan.com>, ihrgreg@kaiwan.com says...
> >
> > >For over 15 years, articles in The Journal of Historical Review have
> > >done just this, along with other materials that express the revisionist
> >
> > Well, 15 years minus their time spent in litigation.
> 
> Litigation has nothing to do with it. The Journal of Historical Review
> was first published in 1980, and it still being published to this day.

And when did the Institute for Creation Research and the Flat Earth Society
begin publishing?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: revision v. holohugging
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:58:33 -0300
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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> In article <4us8ef$gfb@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com says...
> 
> >That is the way it goes.  I do not initiate flames, I merely follow
> >them up.
> 
> Playing for the lurkers again?

"To recap the match, Matt Giwer launched a few vicious dirty blows
which missed their mark, however they were seen by the judges.  Allowed
to continue, Giwer than let loose a massive right hook that missed,
an uppercut that was a bit wide and three left jabs that didn't make
contact.

"He then was pummeled into the corner and quickly counted out.  His
opponent, standing outside the ring and watching this incredible
display of self-induced beating, never removed his robe before being
declared a winner.

"Giwer is in stable condition.  Doctors report the MRI managed to
locate several functioning neurons."

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Adopt a Holocaust Denier Pledge Program
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Mike Curtis wrote:

> >>> He may not have the trip.
> >>> He may not have the FBC (Fatbroad Condo)
> >>> He most CERTAINLY may not have the FBTS.
> >
> >>While I can accept not being eligible for the trip to Maui, I am
> >>devastated to inger that I am not eligible for a T-Shirt. I intend to
> >
> >Note that you are ineligible for the FBTS - you _can_ obtain a
> >ZTS (ZOG T-Shirt) - a ZOGSW Agent will contact you privately
> >to arrange for the BTST (Brink's T-Shirt Transfer).
> >
> >>Have you ingered the cost of translating Giwerundian to English ?
> >
> >That would probably quadruple the cost of your ZTS, old
> >son...
> >
> 
> I thought these ZTS were available only to those who attended the
> massive ZOG rally in the square?

You can order it with the ZOG Gold Card by going to your nearest
ZOG Regional Office (usually disguised as a coffee shop in a strip
mall).

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Mon Aug 19 16:06:30 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Phoenicians and America
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:43:03 -0300
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Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> Once more light doeth shine through a delibrately veiled PC history.  The
> following information is from an establishment book btw.  In the past I
> have quoted Thor Heyerdahl and his statement of there being mummies of
> Nordic Caucasians in Peru.  

[snip]

> To be fair there is supposed to be a huge debate over whether this copy is
> authentic (the rock from which it was copied is lost).  However, on page
> 571 of said book, it gives a world map with Phoenician routes on it.  This
> map was produced by the author.  The Phoenician navigation routes cover
> all the major land masses of the world, including Australia and New
> Zealand.  Perhaps Moscati has realized the abundance of anomalies found
> throughout the world, ie., containing Phoencian artifacts.  BTW, the cover
> of said book has a sculpture of a Phoenician head with
> blue eyes.

Please explain how the Semetic Phoenicians from the Middle East have anything
to do with supposed Nordic Caucasians mummies in Peru.

--
Keith Morrison
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Daniel Keren wrote:

> # Oh, God--he's back to claiming victory again.
> 
> Yes - certainly reminds of how Hitler kept thinking, till
> the very end, that he's going to win.
> 
> And Hitler was smarter than Giwer.
> 
> There are a few other differences, BTW. What did Hitler
> have that Giwer doesn't have? Let's hear it, folks...  :-)

A very minor amount of artistic ability?

Literacy?

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         In the last three months the truth seekers (aka revionsits) have
> beaten the crap out of the holohuggers.  The strange thing is that the
> holohuggers have not realized they have died in the process in defense
> of thos position.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

Please, Matt, allow people to make up their own minds as to who is "winning".

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Stephen Judd wrote:

> People who really care can verify the assertions in my previous post by
> checking the following URL, which contains material from the office of the
> Privacy Commissioner:
> 
>     http://www.knowledge-basket.co.nz/privacy/facts/fact0.htm
> 
> Ah well, I suppose bogus law makes a change from bogus science.

What change?  They've been throwing around bogus law since I arrived
here three, four years ago.

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mckinney@usaor.net wrote:

> Even if I assume your story to be true, you people just love to find some rare
> exception to support your arguments and then delude yourself into thinking you
> have conclusively shown everyone else to be wrong. It's like whenever someone
> starts talking IQ scores, some liberal will bring-up some particular black who
> happens to be very intelligent - as if that disproves the well-established fact
> that the AVERAGE IQ of blacks is down around 85.

As opposed to that of White Power Rangers which hovers around the low teens.

It's like whenever someone starts talking about IQ scores, some White Power
Twit will ramble on and on about how blacks supposedly have an average score
of 85, proceeding to quote _The Bell Curve_ as if it were the word of god
without understanding what the hell they are talking about and since when 
did "liberal" become a synonym for just about everything the WP freaks don't
like?

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E. Zundel Repost wrote:

> *       ". . . I wonder whether the real fear of these people promoting
> guilt (for the Holocaust) is of the fact that the people of the Nazi era
> promoted healthy living and family life, were NOT prone to spitting on the
> sidewalk, presenting themselves in a shabby and dirty state of dress or go
> about unwashed.

Oh yeah, and those official brothels run for the SS so that the "Aryan"
ideal could reproduce is an oustanding example of good, wholesome, family
values.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >The Troll has been told this many, many times but appears to be unable to
> >understand the concept of how sieves work due to being severely mentally
> >dysfunctional. (And an emottionally dysfunctional, and a socially
> >dysfunctional, and....)
> 
>         And of course I have said the size would be from 1cm down to about 1/2
> cm with a small amount of the mass smaller than that.  You apparently
> are unable to comprehend that.


Bullshit.  I'm calling you on that.  Give the DejaNews URL of *ONE* post
where you even considered the possibility of anything smaller than a 
centimeter.


--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         Anything that sits on the boundary doesn't care.  Ashes in such
> quantities become the new boudardy, the new bottom and or bank with
> new mud and organic matter settling over them.

Hee hee hee, that *is* funny.  So, Matt, how *does* erosion work?  After
all, water always has to flow over a boundary, no?  How does water manage
to carry particulate matter?  Do little erosion devils toss the particles
up since your magical "boundary effects" would otherwise stop water from
picking them up on its own?


>         And then there are still the ashes in the lakes which have no flow at
> all.

*yawn* Been there.  Done that.


> >Be a tad more carefull, Matt. I don't think that Keith wants to appear
> >as an intellectual bully and that's what you're making him look like.
> 
>         I did not say he was.  I have noted only that, like so many others who
> know better, they will misrepresent what they know to support any
> eyewitness story that comes along no matter how absurd.

Pot calling the kettle black.  Don't remember when you changed a key word in
a quote from "Americanism" to "anti-fascism", do you?  What's the matter, 
senility creeping in?


>         But this has gone on so long that I have taken the time to post the
> volume and weight and the expected densities in certain places, we
> have gotten into river flow which indicates they were still there at
> A-B when the Russians chose not to look for them.

Bullshit, bullshit and utter bullshit.  When people used *your* figures
to show how *you* were wrong, to paraphrase, you beat a very bold retreat
and courageously ran away.


>         And in all of this, the closest we have had to a rebuttal is one
> recounting of one search many years later around Birkenau that claims
> to have recovered from fragments of bone, flesh and hair MANY YEARS
> LATER.  The inclusion of finding flesh makes this sound like another
> KGB fabrication.

Yeehaw!  Here we go on another "Matt Giwer don't know shit about science"
fishing expedition.

So tell us, Mr Giwer.  How long can you find flesh after being buried?
(Oh, and please tell us if the following words have any meaning to you:
peat bogs, bodies, Celts, two thousand years).

--
Keith Morrison
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Brought to you by our friends from Crazy Ernst's Used Nazi UFO
Emporium, here, direct from the Satallite of Love is our
good buddies Mike Nelson, Tom Servo and Crow giving us their
interpreation of this latest peice of denier prose.



Kurt Stele wrote:

TOM: They WRITE?
CROW: Well, if that's what you call stringing together random
      words.
      

> nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor) wrote:
> 
> >Archive/File: holocaust/poland wlodawa.001
> >Last-modified: 1993/04/04
> >XRef: INDEX MEMORIAL
> 
> >           The Life and the Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> >                  Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> >        (Transcribed by Ken McVay, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca)
> 
> Ken you are a saint for doing so. (Pat on the head for the good goy)

CROW:  Oooo, a *funny* denier.
MIKE:  They're all funny.
CROW:  Yeah, but this one is trying to be on purpose.


> 
> >                       REMEMBER AND DO NOT FORGET
> >                              Sisha Fuchs
> 
> title's kinda redundant

TOM:  *sigh* Big words and he still doesn't know how to capitalize.

 
> >The pages of this documentary book, written by more than 120 Jews of
> >Wlodawa from all over the world, are a memorial to a Jewish congregation
> >that resided in the city of Wlodowa and its surroundings -- a modest
> >part of the past Jewish community.
> 
> Is this going to be another Anne Frank Diary Hoax, where it was written
> with a ball point pen even though the ball point wasn't yet available
> until years after the diary was purportedly written?

MIKE:  Is this going to be another misinformed twit...
CROW:  ...who pulls out that old canard...
TOM:  ...and makes us all want a nice serving of Peking Duck.
MIKE and TOM:  *groan*


> >For hundreds of years the Jews of Wlodova had built their homes. In the
> >course of time the Jews prospered in institutions, parties and unions
> >that were found in the rest of the Jewish communities of Poland. The
> >atmosphere in Wlodowa was completely Jewish, in the home, in the street,
> >on weekdays and on holidays. It was not only the scholars who dealt in
> >religious studies, but laymen as well, after a long day's work, spent
> >time at the synagogues, houses of religious learning and "Shtiblech",
> >where they studied a page of the "Gemora" or just recited the Psalms.
> 
> what about the Talmud?  Where they tell how to have sex with dogs, and how
> it's "OK" to rape goy kids and stuff

TOM:  The voice of experience...
MIKE:  Tom...


> >These were the spiritual hours of the Jews in which their hearts were
> >revived and refreshed. Such were the sensitive and silently beating
> >hearts of the Jews of Wlodova and the neighboring villages.
> 
> certainly sounds quaint enough.  Enter:  the big bad evil nazi

CROW:  Followed by the incompetant Nazi-wannabe

> 
> >The Jews of Wlodowa kept up an urban social life, founding social
> >institutions, charity institutions, and especially educational
> >institutions: "Heders" and schools. Even in the poorest of houses mother
> >and father saw to to it, above all, that their children acquired the
> >knowledge of Judaism. In the course of time this passion for knowledge
> >also included secular studies. The education of children was the main
> >concern and ambition of the Jews.
> 
> >The coming of the railroad brought about a rise in the economic and
> >cultural positions of the inhabitants of the city. The Jews dealt in
> >business and trade and set up ties between the urban community and the
> >rural population. They developed the branch of woodcutting in the
> >surrounding forests and showed great initiation and ambition in the
> >export of wood abroad. This export, in time expanded, filling the state
> >treasury with foreign currency and supplying work for thousands of
> >workers in the city and in the village.
> 
> >The Jews of Wlodowa also developed and active trade in wheat and fish
> >that spread to all the large cities of the country and even abroad.
> >Along with the economic initiation the spiritual life of the Jews also
> >prospered. Every Friday at twilight everybody ceased working and, breath
> >held, listened to the coming of "Sabbath the Queen". The blessing of the
> >candles by our mothers was one of our most cherished moments. On the
> >Sabbath and holidays the streets were silent, as if enveloped in
> >holiness, and all the houses were in a holiday spirit.
> 
> >The social activity of the Jews of Wlodowa was seen in all fields of
> >life. The Jews were represented in government institutions and in the
> >city municipality, and in every place they fought against disturbances
> >and limitations.
> 
> ya mean there was an overrepresentation of jews in the power structure of
> Wlodowa too?

MIKE:  Quite the leap of logic there.
TOM:  I hear he placed fourth in the Denier Olympics.
CROW:  Who won?
TOM:  Ernst, but they said he had help from his flying saucer friends.
MIKE:  Oh, he was on staroids?
TOM and CROW:  *smack* *smack* *smack*


> >Evil winds began blowing from Hitler's Germany and
> >found a fertile land in Poland. Signs of hard times appeared everywhere.
> >More than once were the Jews of Wlodowa forced to wander and look for a
> >new place for their livelihood. Many of the youths of Wlodowa immigrated
> >to Israel after World War I. They saw their future in the national
> >salvation of the Jewish nation. The immigrants of Wlodowa took an active
> >part in the building of the community and the defense of the land.
> 
> they also needed some good funding for the Jewish nation.  100 Billion in
> extorted German marks for Holohoax guilt wouldn't hurt a bit

TOM:  Oh look, another canard.
MIKE:  Don't start.
CROW:  Isn't it amazing how those Jews managed to predict in advance what
       the Nazis would do and then take advantage of it even before it
       happened?  No wonder they rule the world.


> >In 1939 Poland broke down and surrendered to Hitler's army. The Nazis
> >occupied our area as well. The Poles and Ukrainians, wanting to flatter
> >their conquerers, began cruelly harassesing  those very Jews who had
> >lived in their midst for hundreds of years. Very few of the population,
> >just several influential individuals, helped the persecuted Jews. The
> >large majority assisted the Germans in their task of annihilation and
> >did all they could to increase the suffering of our brothers.
> 
> I'll just take your word for it:  who needs real proof when you got
> eyewitness testimony?

MIKE:  Who needs clowns when you have deniers?

> >The Poles and Ukrainians, not wishing to leave traces of their horrible
> >deeds, pursued every Jew in hiding who could testify to their cruel
> >actions. The blurring of traces in the ghettos, death camps and mass
> >graves in Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Babi-Yar, Ponar and Polgin has
> >continued since the war. The suffering and struggle of our brothers has
> >been distorted in a systematic way until this very day.
> 
> >The memorial book for the Jewish community of Wlodowa is a sign of
> >warning to the coming generations. It is also a trumpet blast that
> >cannot be silenced, calling for revenge for the blood that was spilled
> >on the lands of Poland with the active help of the Polish Nazis.
> 
> so when is your "revenge" gonna end?
> 
> No time soon I'm sure.
> 
> Why close down the show when the jews are receiving from it both many
> shekels and immunity from criticism?

TOM:  I wasn't aware anyone still used shekels.

> 
> >The task and destiny of this book is: not only to recall that which has
> >been forgotten, not only to memorialize those who have died in God's
> >hame, not only to light a candle for the pure and holy souls, but to
> >call for prosecution written in letters of fire and blood:
> 
> >                REMEMBER WHAT AMELEK HAS DONE TO YOU!
> 
> more jewish vindictiveness, and reflective of the Old Testament and
> Talmud, in which revenge is a common theme.

TOM:  Don't Christians use the Old Testament too?
MIKE:  Shhh, you'll get his Aryan knickers in a knot.


> Yet these same jews condemn the goy for being "intolerant" and "hateful."

ALL:  Goys just wanna have fun, Oh goys just wanna have fun...


> The holohoax never happened but assuming it did, what if the nazis were
> just "getting revenge" on the jews the way the jews got revenge on the
> nazis?
> According to the above jewish attitude of vindictiveness I guess it was
> all OK.

MIKE:  So...
CROW:  ...the Holocaust never happened...
TOM:  ...and the Jews deserved it.
ALL:  Riiiight.


> Oh I forgot. Only -jews- are allowed to be vindictive.
> 
> It's hard to keep track of the double standards sometimes

CROW:  Hard?  Read a Matt Giwer post sometime.  So many double
       standards they had to order a new set of flagpoles.

 
> >This includes all the Ameleks of the twentieth Century, the Poles and
> >the Germans who murder at all times, whose hands are stained with blood,
> >those who continue in their hatred of Israel to this very day.
> 
> maybe they're just mad at the jews for having been framed for the Holohoax
> and extorted from

MIKE:  Grammer.  Neat idea.  Try it.

> 
> >In this book, the several individuals of the Jews of Wlodowa who had
> >miraculously survived annihilation,
> 
> those amazing "miracles" again!  Boy those "exterminating nazis" sure were
> inept.
> All those jewish prisoners living through -5- "deathcamps."

TOM: Can't blame the psychopaths for trying. 

 
> And those nazis couldn't even find -one- nazi soldier who could fire a
> machine gun without gettin' all sensitive about it.

MIKE:  Gawd, yes, why when ah wuz a member of the Hitler Youth I hadda
       shoot at least a dozen helpless wimmin an' children before ah
       had mah breakfast.  Those pansies didn't have what it takes.
       It takes a *real* man to gun down helpless civilians.

 
> So -that's- why the "exterminators" transported all those jews at cost
> away instead of executing them like the "exterminators" were supposedly
> trying to do!
> 
> Makes sense to -me-. (not)

CROW:  I suppose the fact that everyone agrees they *were* moved has never
       crossed his mind?
TOM:  He has a mind?


> >call forth for prosecution. During
> >days and nights of horror they wandered in fields and forests in order
> >to join the Partisans who fought bravely and courageously. They slept
> >outdoors, in snow and in frost, suffered from hunger and disease, saw
> >with their own eyes the deeds of horror. They are living witnesses to
> >the murder which is now being sought to be erased.
> 
> you want to blame the nazis for the frost too?  Aw, go ahead, you blame
> them for everything else.  Throw it on to the pile

MIKE:  Nah, it's alright.  The pile your shovelling is getting high enough.

 
> >Therefore, this is the holy task which is upon us: to see to it that the
> >crimes that had been committed by the Germans and their helpers the
> >Poles and Ukrainians in the ghetto and Sobibor and in every other place
> >-- will not be forgotten and not be erased.
> 
> Ah yes.  The "holy" task.  Again the religious overtones.
> 
> That is why the Holohoax is such an article of Faith.  That is why the
> holohuggers continue to "believe" despite the absurdity of their claims:
> it -is- a "religious" faith.

TOM:  I thought it was history?
MIKE:  Well, you know how they are about history.
CROW:  And physics.
MIKE:  And chemistry.
TOM:  And geography.
CROW:  And law.

 
> The only problem is religion has nothing to do with science -or- history.

ALL:  And denial does?!

 
> >At the ruins of the Jewish community in Wlodowa and in cities and
> >villages of the region, across the desecrated synagogues and destroyed
> >cemetaries where the bones of our fathers and forefathers lie, the
> >builders of the city -- we stand with our heads lowered. We are erecting
> >an eternal monument to our martyrs in this memorial book.
> 
> >In agony and in anger we will unite with their memories, night and day
> >we will listen to their last call:
> 
> >                         DO NOT FORGET US!
> 
> With all of the US tax dollars paying for state-funded holohoax
> brainwashing campaigns, along with the backing of jewish-money power
> enforcing holohoax orthodoxy, criminalizing, harrassijng, and imprisoning
> revisionists, and censoring free speech on the internet and elsewhere,
> there's little danger the holohoax will be forgotten any time soon pal.

CROW:  And don't forget those liberal communist feminist Zeta Reticulans.
MIKE:  Or the knight templar freemasons illuminati .
TOM:  Or those pesky ZOG democrat labour unionist Atlanteans.

 
> But despite all of the Holohuggers' suppressive and oppressive activities,
> the holohuggers still claim the moral high ground.

CROW:  Huh?
TOM:  Think "negative altitude".


> Now I know what "chutzpah" means.

MIKE:  Good!  Now let's see if you can find the meaning of deluded little
       Nazi-wannabe.


> >Let this cry of theirs penetrate into the hearts of our youth. In the
> >present and in the future let this memorial book to our community be a
> >holy scroll that tells of the suffering of our brothers and that calls
> >us to keep and strengthen the state of Israel as a guarantee that the
> >holocust will not be forgotten and as a fortress against our enemies.
> 
> Ah yes, the holy scroll, and the Holy Holohugger movement.
> 
> (getting down on my knees to pray):
> 
> "Forgive me, Shoah-God!  Oh, please have mercy on me and bless me.  Oh
> save me jesus for my unholiness of doubting the holohoax!  Somebody, piss
> on me, do something.  Punish me for my unholy holocaust doubting."

CROW:  Okay.  *zip*
MIKE:  CROW!  Bad robot, bad robot!

 
> >The will of our martyrs was: remember and do not forget.
> 
> you shouldn't worry.  Really.  We're up to our armpits in holohorseshit.

TOM:  Well, he has the second two syllables right.

 
> "The Life and Fall of Widlowa."
> 
> Now that's a nice story.
> 
> And edifying for the Holy Fellowship of Believers.
> 
> And I have no problem with religion.
> 
> But why don't you -prove- your sacred scriptures first before presenting
> it as a historical claim?

MIKE:  Oh well, yet another one.  I tell you, if there was anything that
       made me believe in _The Bell Curve_, the White Power Rangers are it.

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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) wrote:
> : mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
> :
> : # In the last three months the truth seekers (aka revionsits)
> : # have beaten the crap out of the holohuggers.
> :
> : With claims such as the following?
> :
> : 1) Belsen camp was really in Poland, not in Germany.
> :
> : 2) Documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
> :    in the Birkenau crematoriums don't count, as they were
> :    really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS-men who
> :    authored them.
> :
> : These are your claims.
> :
> : Do you doubt that a rational person reading such claims
> : will conclude that you are mentally retarded?
> 
> Add these:
> 
> 3) Recording tape was invented in the fifties.
> 
> 4) Nobody ever used the term "United Nations" before 1945.
> 
> Everybody, now--add your favorite Giwerisms!

5) The human skull has one bone...and then give a reference that
   says it doesn't.

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Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> >   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
> 
> 
> >       Go learn some sciences.  You will be infinitely better equipped for
> >  understanding the world around you.
> 
>         Anatomy, of course, is a science as well.  Perhaps the
> self-proclaimed scientific genius will tell us how many bones there are in the
> human cranium.

And the pelvis, don't forget the pelvis.

Personally, I'm waiting for some self-proclaimed expert on anthropology
to get back to me on his claim that a hominid averaged seven feet high.
I wonder who that moron was?

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Kurt Stele wrote:
> 
> You know,
> 
> The Holocaust is a funny thing..
> 
> When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
> 
> When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!

A more succinct statement of denier belief than any other
they have posted...

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Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
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Kurt Stele wrote:

> It's amazing the depth of absurdity one will voluntarily descend to when
> one is a priori determined by any means to support a historically absurd
> theory such as the Holohoax.

Then I'm sure you are just dying to tell us all the answers to the
following questions:

1. If it never happened, who forged all the documents and testimonies?
2. Why, in the last 50 years, has not *1* conspirator come forward and
   say "We forged it"?
3. Where did all the people go?

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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Matt  Giwer (mgiwer@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 09:07:56 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
> 
> : >Personally, I think the guy is a kook. And a dangerous one besides.
> :
> :       According to Schindler's widow so is his List.
> 
> Schindler's list is a kook?  I'm unclear on how an inanimate object
> would get to be a kook, Matt...

Look who you are replying to.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         In other words, as an engineer, you are agreeing with him that fluid
> flow speed at the boundary is the same as in the center.  The only way
> you can declare he has "won" is by agreeing with that.

Ah, Matt, I indicated that a 30% slowing of the river flowing at 5 km/h
would still be sufficient to move the particles.

So tell me, is this enough of an "boundary effect"?

By the way, how *do* rivers erode their banks in Your World?

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Charles wrote:
> 
>   From the 8/12/96 issue of the excellent weekly populist newspaper THE
> SPOTLIGHT:
> 
>             "Sens. Arlen Specter (R-Penn) and Barbara Boxer
>              (D. Calif.) presented multimillionaire Steven
>              Spielberg with a $1 million federal grant to work
>              on a massive holocaust documentation project, the
>              Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation."
> 
>   I wonder how many top-of-the-line computers that initial $1 million
> given to (billionaire?) Spielberg could have bought for inner-city U.S.
> schoolkids? My estimate: @ $2,000 each, about 500 complete Pentium
> systems loaded w/CD-ROMS, monitors, 1-gigabyte-HDs, 12MB of RAM,
> educational software . . .
>   How many bored inner-city teenagers arrested this summer could have
> instead received a tiny piece of that $1 million as salary for
> community service while school was out? Let's see: 1000 kids' receiving
> summer paychecks @ $1000 each = exactly $1 million . . .
>   OTOH, I do understand how the financially-strapped Jewish-American
> community truly NEEDED that initial $1 million grant in order to get
> the ambitious project off the ground. God knows they don't have the
> funds to have launched the project out of their own pockets.
>   Truth, as they say, is stranger than fiction, and the thought of Mr.
> Spielberg smilingly receiving that oversized $1 million check from the
> American taxpayers proves it, IMO.
>   May God help us.

You'll need it.

Why not ask Greg Raven how much the IHR has contributed to the inner
city?  Or Ernst Zuendel?  Or Willis Carto?  You?

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tom moran wrote:
> 
>         Six million Jews killed?
> 
> If we could line up that many people in rows, toe to heal and ten
> across, the whole line would be about a hundred miles long.
> 
> If you started at one end in a car and drove along side these ten rows
> at 60 miles an hour, it would take you about an hour and a half before
> you got to the other end.
> 
> Think about that the next time you take a spin.

Yes, what an incredible loss of life.  Truly monstrous that some
people have the utter inhumanity to deny it happened.

(Actually, Tom, the line would be about three hundred miles long.)

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >You overestimate.  To paraphrase Dennis Miller, after they get
> >rid of the people with the wrong religion, wrong colour and
> >wrong language they'll go after the ones with the wrong haircut,
> >wrong salute, wrong opinion and so on until there's only one guy
> >left...and he'll probably attack a mirror.
> 
>         To paraphrase Matt Giwer,
> 
>         After they get rid of those with juvenile political insight they will
> have gotten rid of Dennis Miller.

Matt Giwer needs a better writer.

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Serdar Yegulalp wrote:
> 
> rblackmore@juno.com sez:
> 
> >They are not ignored.  We are waiting for confirmation of the alleged number of the victims given in the
> >reports, as well as forensic evidence:  to wit, where are the mass graves?  As in Katyn, we would like to see
> >connfirmation of the dead at Babi Yar, Riga, and Minsk....Please do not quote written reports...
> 
> "Please use evidence to back up your claims.
> 
> "Evidence cannot consist of any of the following:
> 
> "Photos
> "Diaries
> "Sworn testimony
> "Corroborated testimony
> "Official reports, written or oral
> "Forensic studies."
> 
> So what's left?

Well, if we have a cylinder of infinite density and rotate at a significant fraction
of light speed and approach it from just the right direction we could throw someone
back in time so they could use a Sony Handicam to record the event in question, and
then we accelerate them to relativistic speed to get them back in our time...

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Question:  What is the sound of one lunatic backpedelling?


Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:26:13 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
> 
> >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
> 
> ># To get to the iceberg, Wiesel, Wiesenthal, Golda Meyer
> ># despite her spelling and pronunciation along with most
> ># of the founders and "fathers" of Israel.  And if they were
> ># not "German" then just what were they?
> 
> >Golda Meir was Russian, you dimwitted imbecile. Wiesel and
> >Wiesenthal are not Israelis.
> 
>         MS Meyer never did want to admit it.  If it had not been for the
> popularization of the gassing by Wiesel and Wiesenthal Palestine would
> not have been given to the Zionists.

Need I say more?

"Golda Meir" (Meyerson) was born in Kiev, Russia.  She emigrated with
 her family to the United States in 1906 and settled in Milwaukee."

       http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/facts/state/gmeir.html

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >># What a fantastic reference.  You found someone claiming
> >># that I used the term.  That certainly proves he is a liar.
> >>#
> >># Or do you want to post another fabrication?
> 
> >>You called me "Jewboy" in that article. It's there.
> >>It's trivial to check. Why do you deny it?
> 
> >>-Danny Keren.
> 
> >what's wrong with calling you a "jewboy"?  Isn't that what you are?
> 
>         Maybe a jewessette from the diminutive first name.

Yes, it's back, the patented, often revealing, often funny and often
just plain weird...Quote of the Week!

This week's winner is from this week's loser; an unemployed and rather
bitter (and strange man), Matt Giwer.  Matt enjoys screaming into
refrigerators, checking under the car for possible Jewish saboteurs
hiding above the axle and shooting himself in the foot.  When asked
what he wanted to do with his life he threatened to sue for claiming
he had one.

"A revionist will never call you a name for questioning 
 what they post."
                 -Matt Giwer.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug 22 09:19:32 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: to summarize
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:18:20 -0300
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Michael P. Stein wrote:

> >> : With claims such as the following?
> >> :
> >> : 1) Belsen camp was really in Poland, not in Germany.
> >> :
> >> : 2) Documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
> >> :    in the Birkenau crematoriums don't count, as they were
> >> :    really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS-men who
> >> :    authored them.
> >> :
> >> : These are your claims.
> >> :
> >> : Do you doubt that a rational person reading such claims
> >> : will conclude that you are mentally retarded?
> >>
> >> Add these:
> >>
> >> 3) Recording tape was invented in the fifties.
> >>
> >> 4) Nobody ever used the term "United Nations" before 1945.
> >>
> >> Everybody, now--add your favorite Giwerisms!
> >
> >5) The human skull has one bone...and then give a reference that
> >   says it doesn't.
> 
> 6) "After a few minutes there was silence" really means "the screaming
> went on for tens of minutes."
> 
> 7) A device that crushes something knows the maximum allowable particle
> size and will adjust its crushing to produce particles ranging from .5
> that size to the maximum allowable size.
> 
> 8) The per-gram calorie value of fat cells with all water removed is equal
> to the per-gram calorie value of fat cells still containing their water.
> In other words, water burns.
> 
> 9) Atmospheric nitrogen burns.
> 
> 10) Bones are made of calcium oxide, and do not contain phosphorus.
> 
> 11) Testimony is not evidence.
> 
> 12) Trademarks and copyright are the same thing.
> 
> 13) Einstein introduced the concept of orders of infinity.

14) Raul Wallenberg was a major contributor to the USHMM.

15) There was a Campodian embassy in the US during the Khmer Rouge
    Regime.

16) Giwer has an IQ of 163.

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Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug 22 18:01:01 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Life and Fall of Wlodowa: Sobibor
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:40:53 -0300
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Kurt Stele wrote:
> 
> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> 
> >kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:
> 
> ># You yourself admitted German soldiers were at a scarcity.
> 
> >Gassing large groups of people requires far less soldiers
> >and ammunition than shooting them, untermench.
> 
> Mass shooting takes -more- soldiers than gassing? You ever heard of a
> "machine gun" Keren? Firing hundreds (thousands) of rounds a minute?  With
> just -one- gunner?
> 
> 100 nazi gunners each killing 600 an hour (easy) working only 10 hours a
> day for only 100 days:
> 
> 100 machine-gunner X 600 an hour X 10 hours X 100 days = 6,000,000.
> 
> Calculate it using over 1000 machine gunners.
> 
> The whole thing could have been done in a little over 3 months if they had
> wanted.
> 
> you're holohoax is -definitely- bullshit

One gunner per 600 people, right, Stele?  Fairly close range, I'd assume?
And what happens when a few dozen of those six hundred get pissed and charge
said gunner?  Would you, with your Super Machine Gun that never has to be
reloaded, never malfunctions and never gets too hot want to stand there
and try to get *all* of them before at least one reaches you and rips
out your throat?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug 22 19:42:46 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Proposed - renaming this group alt.stupid.jew.haters
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:43:18 -0300
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Allan Matthews wrote:

> >Doesn't follow the naming conventions -- grammatically incorrect, and
> >would create dead hierarchies.
> >
> >alt.stupidity.jew-haters or alt.stupidity.jew-bashing would work.
> 
> I see your point - it is well taken.  How about alt.stupidity.nazi or
> alt.stupidity.racist?

You mean alt.politics.white-power and alt.nationalism.white?

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Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:35:32 -0300
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Kurt Stele wrote:
> 
> mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
> 
> >kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:
> 
> >>As if those constituted a "fair hearing" considering that the Holohoax
> is
> >>constantly drummed into the heads of the public through movies, TV,
> news,
> >>and academia
> 
> >Care to actually provide examples?
> 
> Mike Curtis wants proof that the media continually furthers the Holocaust
> Tale.
> 
> I haven't the heart even to say "Shindler's List" for starters.
> 
> what are you supposed to do with a guy like that?

What percentage of movies and television programs have to do with the
Holocaust, Stele?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "Those Sensitive Nazis."
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:36:47 -0300
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Kurt Stele wrote:

> Mike I've already addressed this.  It is absurd to claim that nazis who
> were supposedly trying to exterminate jews would pay for a needless
> camp/train transportation system when they could have simply executed them
> nearby.  The nazis were fighting a 2-front war and men and money were at
> all-time premium. Or even if they had wanted to "gas" jews instead of
> easily shooting them, which itself would have been inexplicable, they
> could have set up gas chambers nearby since according to the holocausters
> any old barn will do for a gas-chamber.
> 
> Aren't you paying attention?

So why did they move the Jews, women and children included, Stele?

And where did they go?

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Subject: Re: gassing evidence bears [amused] interest
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Matt Giwer whined (as usual):

> >>
> >>         Where did I get the idea of without lights?  Sorry but if people are
> >> in a state of biting off their fingers and each other's ears one does
> >> not expect lightbulbs to last very long.  Windows are never mentioned
> >> and never in any drawings.
> 
> >You can go into any construction supply store and buy a fixture which
> >consists of a light-bulb socket, a glass cover, and a strong steel heavy
> >wire outer layer - something like the wire in a baseball catcher's mask.

I pass several everytime I go underground, and several simply have the
metal cage.  Rather simple devices, actually.  I think even Matt could
understand their operation.


>         The gryn.org mailbomb was rather anemic last night.  If you wish to
> continue your claim of expert status you should do better in the
> future, amateur.  But in case you chose to misunderstand that
> statement, stop the mailbombing from your non-org org.

Oooo, *good* comeback, Giwer.  Really rip into his response and prove him
wrong!

Now stay on topic.  Please explain why the people who brought you the
Me-262, the Bismarck and the Volkswagon could not understand the concept
of putting a protective cage around a light.

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Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: basic warnings for the use of gas masks
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:11:51 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 1. This device does not supply oxygen and must be used only in
> adequately ventilated areas containing at least 19.5% oxygen.
> 2. This gas mask must be used in conjunction with the proper canister
> for protection against specific contaminants.
> 
>         [The proper canister refers to the type which works against a
> particular gas.  The kind that works for HCN falls under the general
> category of acid gases.  Thus the supply records for A-B must also
> contain requisitions for replacement filters of this particular type.]

Oh, goody, Matt tries again.  Yay.

Now, Matt, this may be rather parochial of me but when I was taking
my NBC training the mask I was issued had 1 (that is 1) filter that
was used for radioactive dust, chemical and biological attack.

I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend, Matt, but military
masks do not have specialized filters because you can't be bothered
to change them.

In fact, *most* gas masks are designed to work with one generic filter.
Liek those ones issued to the Israeli population during the Gulf War.
Or those you can but in stores.

"Hey!  We're being gassed!  I'll just hold my breath while I test the
gas to see what variety it is and then select the proper canister..."

Sorry, Giwer.  It doesn't work like that.


> 3. Do not use when concentrations of contaminants are unknown or
> immediately dangerous to life or heath. (IDLH)
> 
>         [Definitely contrary to the idea opening the door in 15 minutes.]

Industry standard, used for safety in the workplace, not in industrial
killing centers.

> 4. Do not use when appropriate exposure limit (OSHA PEL, NIOSH REL,
> ACGIH TLV, etc.) is not known or when it is below the odor threshold
> or any other established warning level for the contaminant.
> 5. Leave area immediately if:
>     A. Breathing becomes difficult
>     B. Dizziness or other distress occurs.
>     C. You taste or smell contaminant.
>     D. You experience eye, nose or throat irratation.
> 6. Use strictly in accordance with instructions, labels and
> limitations pertaining to this device.
> 7. This respirator may not provide a satisfactory seal with certain
> facial characteristics, such as beards or large sideburns that prevent
> direct contact between the skin and the sealing surface of the
> facepiece. Do not use this facepiece if such conditions exist.
> 8. Never alter or modify this device.
> 9. This respirator is for use by trained, qualified personnel only.
> 10. Do not use for fire fighting.
> 11. Do not wear for protection against substances with poor warning
> properties or those which generate high heats of reaction with the
> sorbent material in the canister.
> 12. Wear impermeable protective clothing for protection against
> exposure to gases and vapors which can poison by skin absorption.
> 
>         (And of course there will be records of such clothing requistioned for
> use at A-B)

Please indicate the toxicity of HCN through skin contact.

So, other than violating the copywrite of some mask manufacturer (so who was
it, Giwer?  They should sue you.) you have posted nothing of relevance to the
Holocaust.  The guidelines you have made are for workers in potentially 
hazardous environments that the employer wants to keep alive, not for forced
labours who were destined to die anyway.

I'd say nice try but frankly, it sucked.  Getting desperate, UN Boy?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> In article <4vbslc$ksq@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com says...
> 
> >        BTW:  I will be lodging a formal complaint in BC on conspiracy to
> >violate copyright and violation fo copyright before the end of the
> >month.
> 
> Don't forget Deja News.

To bad there's no such thing as conspiracy to violate copywrite.

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Kurt Stele wrote:

> That's like saying nobody -has- to watch TV while the jews own nearly
> every media company in existence.  What other channels can you turn to?
> 
> Duh.

Ted Turner's Jewish?  And here I thought CNN and TBS was safe.  And I guess
Fox is a wipe out to.  Damn, I knew The Simpsons was part of the ZOG
conspiracy.

Duh.

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Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> >> The holocaust is sounds like an overdramatic story. The jews own the
> >> television and they can say whatevere they want. They know the people
> will
> >> believe them.  They get all this money off the holocaust and they try
> to
> >> make everybody believe in it and feel guilty. Then nobody will be
> allows
> >> to question anything the jews they do. They want to force everybody to
> >> believe in something they didn't prove.  So they can go ahead and suck
> my
> >> dick.
> 
> The man has a point.

On his head.

> 
> I believe he has potential.

You would.

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Michael Swanson wrote:

> Is this the same Spotlight put out by the Liberty Lobby group that
> claims that "international-Zionism" killed JFK and that Adolph Hitler
> was the good guy?
> Mike

You betcha.

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Anonymous wrote:

> IQ is the "clay" from which education proceeds. Without IQ, you have no
> chance of succeeding in school. That is why The Bell Curve is correct. The
> low graduation rates of blacks demonstrates that the 85 IQ level is
> correct. They are a dumbed down race. Nature made them that way. In
> addition, when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower IQ
> than the highest parent's IQ. So, we either have a race of dullards, or we
> compromise the IQ of the white race and the lower technological potential
> that represents including lower inventiveness, creativity, and learning
> curve. It's not pretty stuff, but it's the truth. Prove me wrong.

No problem.  "...when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower
IQ than the highest parent's IQ."

So, all I have to do is find *one* instance where this is not true and
your theory, like whatever brain tissue you used to come up with it, is
smoke.  Remember, you said in *all* instances.

Want to reconsider that statement?  Probably not.  We all know how
brave people posting anonymously dreck like this are.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug 23 21:26:18 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again (Re: Evil Holocaust Revisionism)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:27:15 -0300
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Mike Curtis wrote:

> >No army in -history- has ever behaved as illogical, goofy, and stupid as
> >the Purported Germans of the Holohoax legend.
> >
> 
> Want a bet? Start with the United States Army in the Civil War or any
> of the Indian Wars. I'm we can find prime examples for you.

Battle of Leyte Gulf, 1944.  Third Fleet under Halsey heads north to
intercept the decoy force, leaving Seventh Fleet under Kincaide
to face the Southern and Central Japanese battlegroups under Kurita.
Seventh Fleet engages and looses a carrier and several destroyers
that beat off the attack of Kurita's Central force, managing to
protect the landing ships.

What was so stupid?  Halsey knew the northern carrier group was a
diversion.  The carriers didn't even have aircraft to mount a strike.
He knowingly left Kincaide alone to protect the landings and it was 
only after a message from Nimitz suggesting he haul ass back to the
Gulf that he detached part of Third Fleet to return and cover
Seventh.

Also stupid.  Kincaide and Seventh Fleet were assigned to MacArthur
while Halsey and Third Fleet were under Nimitz.  MacArthur and
Nimitz were under the Joint Chiefs.  Thus any request from Seventh
Fleet for help from Third could be refused by Halsey unless he
recieved a direct order from Nimitz, who could refuse unless he
recieved a direct order from Washington.  Since Third Fleet was
supposed to be covering Seventh, this is a stupid way to set up
a chain of command.  Both fleets should have been under a single
command for the duration of the landing operations.

Now, is that any way to run a war?  Sure they won, but it wasn't
due to brilliant leadership in cases like this.

--
Keith Morrison
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From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug 23 21:26:19 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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Ole Kreiberg wrote:

> >The same thing holds for racism which is
> >an important ideological step towards violent nationalism and even more
> >evil things (social Darvinism to mention just the worst).
> 
> You only think on German history. Maybe that is your particular German
> experience with racism and nationalism, but this may not be case in
> other countries.

Rwanada, Burundi, former Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Georgia, Armenia, Iraq
and Iran, India, Sri Lanka.  All countries where racist or religious/cultural
conflicts combined with nationalism have resulted in violence.  All
of these *since* Germany in the Second World War.  The list could get
a great deal longer rather quickly.

In all of these cases racism and nationalism have resulted in violence.
Now you want us to believe that Denmark has some sort of magical quality
that will allow it to proceed peacefully where every other country has
failed?

Do you want us to believe in the tooth fairy too?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Fri Aug 23 21:26:20 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Which Jew bankers run the Fed. Res.?
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:46:13 -0300
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Kurt Stele (kurtstele@aol.com) wrote:
> 
> : whatever it was Sara it couldn't have been as dumb as the claim that nazis
> : who were supposedly trying to exterminate jews had to use gas chambers
> : instead of guns because the nazis were simply "too sensitive" to fire
> : their weapons.
> :
> : That's one of the best ones I've heard so far.
> :
> : What is amazing is that it constitutes a pivotal element of the Holohoax
> : hypothesis.
> 
> No, actually, it doesn't.  The fact is that many (not all, not even
> most) of the people involved in the executions suffered psychologically
> from them; that you find this remarkable does not reflect well on your
> character.

Thus why traditionally firing squads have had one of the guns randomly
loaded with a blank ("Hey, maybe *I* didn't actually shoot him").

--
Keioth Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sat Aug 24 08:19:12 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Slithery Nizkor/Keren stuff
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Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> >   Keith Morrison  writes:
> >  Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> >  >         Anatomy, of course, is a science as well.  Perhaps the
> >  > self-proclaimed scientific genius will tell us how many bones there are in the
> >  > human cranium.
> 
> >  And the pelvis, don't forget the pelvis.
> 
>         That one is too easy.  Even Moran can count that high.

You have more faith in the boy than I do.

 
> >  Personally, I'm waiting for some self-proclaimed expert on anthropology
> >  to get back to me on his claim that a hominid averaged seven feet high.
> >  I wonder who that moron was?
> 
>         But Keith he saw it on television!  It has to be true!

*smack*  You're right, of course.

Does this mean when _Schindler's List_ makes it to TV, Giwer will have
to give up claiming it's all fake?

--
Keith Morrison
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Subject: Re: Proposed - renaming this group alt.stupid.jew.haters
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 01:12:34 -0300
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Giwer's Fan (which doesn't move air) wrote:

> >> I see your point - it is well taken.  How about alt.stupidity.nazi or
> >> alt.stupidity.racist?
> 
> >You mean alt.politics.white-power and alt.nationalism.white?
> 
> how about alt.thetruthforonce

They tried that, but since one of the prerequisites was actually
posting something that was the truth no Revisionist was ever
heard from.

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Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Subject: Re: dem sneaky Joos
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article <321B85F3.FF0@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
> >Kurt Stele wrote:
> 
> [nothing of import]
> 
> >Ted Turner's Jewish?  And here I thought CNN and TBS was safe.  And I guess
> >Fox is a wipe out to.  Damn, I knew The Simpsons was part of the ZOG
> >conspiracy.
> 
> Do not forget the CBC, CTV and the BBC, Mr. Morrison. Those sneaky Joos
> own _them_, too! And WTN, Discovery, Bravo, The Learning Channel, The
> History Channel, CMT, and every other cable channel in the Western World!
> 
> It's just a matter of days until Mr. "Stele" and Mr. Giwer, working
> together at feverous pitch, provide the documentation - shareholders names,
> shares held... You'll see!
> 
> But then you knew that.
> (Morrison... isn't that a Joos name?)

Not anymore.  When the family migrated to Scotland in the 4th Century AD
>from  Newark via Kiev and Stockholm they dropped the last few syllables
to "fit in" with the local Celtic tribes.  The name was actually 
Morrisonovichsteinberg.

Of course, then one of the settlers, Igelthorpon "Big Iggy" Morrison
moved to Norway and became the first Viking, who as we all know,
are the prototypical Aryan warriors.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >>         I am simply discussing the matter of a pure democracy and that it can
> >> do anything that a majority decide to do in any manner that a majority
> >> is determined by them.
> >>
> >>         If you have a problem with that, then what is your problem?
> 
> >All in favour of having Matt Giwer hit with a cream pie on national
> >television while he is standing in plaid trousers singing "La Marseillaise"
> >in a wading pool full of earthworms please signify by saying "aye".
> 
>         All in favor of morrison discussing his vast knowledge of rivers,
> scratch your balls.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that, Matt.  I calculated that the velocity of the
river could be 30% slower at the boundaries and still pick up your magical
bone particles.

So tell me, what did you calculate the correct figure to be?


> >Ain't pure democracy wunnerful?
> 
>         That is what guns are for.

Children and senile fools shouldn't be allowed near guns.  Especially is they
have the tendancy to use them on their own feet.

--
Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Steven Spielberg awarded $1M federal grant
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The Giwer Clone wrote:

> >Then why do you only focus on the Jewish religion?  What about the
> >centuries of murder and torture and corruption carried out in the name of
> >Jesus Christ?
> 
> probably 'cause -Christians- aren't the ones extracting millions of
> guilt-shekels out of pockets every year for another bevy of docudramas,
> movies, museums, and other paraphernalia in remembrance of the "Christian
> Holocaust", and then calling us "haters" if we disagree

Yeah, some of them only run TV networks and organizations dedicated
to squeezing every cent out of their congregations, claiming God
threatened to kill them unless more money is sent in, live by the
"Do as I say, not as I do" principal, threaten to kick politicians
out of office unless they agree to regulate how everybody else will
live their lives and sponsor attempts at censorship and promote
hatred against other groups.

Oh yeah, all Christians are such *wonderful* people.  Sheesh.


> >I certainly was, I have visited it, was moved and touched, and supported
> >it's building and continue to support it's upkeep whole-heartedly.  So
> >what's your point?
> 
> he's trying to ask you: when are you going to stop this never-ending
> self-indulgent, tacky and morbid revelling in gore at our expense?  You've
> already got millions of dollars from us, isn't that -enough-?

I don't recall.  Did she say she was Jewish?

> >Not true at all.  You have obviously never visited the museum.  All
> >victims of the Holocaust are represented.  What springs to mind right now
> >are the children the nazis considered to be physically and/or emotionally
> >"unfit" (children with dwarfism, missing limbs, with mental retardation
> >and other physical and emotional "deformities").  Their story is told in
> >text and particularly moving photographs.
> 
> -I'd- like to know where are the holocaust museums for the dead
> -Palestinian- children?

Please describe the Israeli government program to kill all the Palestinian
children. 

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


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Anonymous wrote:

> IQ is the "clay" from which education proceeds. Without IQ, you have no
> chance of succeeding in school. That is why The Bell Curve is correct. The
> low graduation rates of blacks demonstrates that the 85 IQ level is
> correct. They are a dumbed down race. Nature made them that way. In
> addition, when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower IQ
> than the highest parent's IQ. So, we either have a race of dullards, or we
> compromise the IQ of the white race and the lower technological potential
> that represents including lower inventiveness, creativity, and learning
> curve. It's not pretty stuff, but it's the truth. Prove me wrong.

No problem.  "...when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower
IQ than the highest parent's IQ."

So, all I have to do is find *one* instance where this is not true and
your theory, like whatever brain tissue you used to come up with it, is
smoke.  Remember, you said in *all* instances.

Want to reconsider that statement?  Probably not.  We all know how
brave people posting anonymously dreck like this are.

--
Keith Morrison
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Anonymous wrote:

> IQ is the "clay" from which education proceeds. Without IQ, you have no
> chance of succeeding in school. That is why The Bell Curve is correct. The
> low graduation rates of blacks demonstrates that the 85 IQ level is
> correct. They are a dumbed down race. Nature made them that way. In
> addition, when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower IQ
> than the highest parent's IQ. So, we either have a race of dullards, or we
> compromise the IQ of the white race and the lower technological potential
> that represents including lower inventiveness, creativity, and learning
> curve. It's not pretty stuff, but it's the truth. Prove me wrong.

No problem.  "...when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower
IQ than the highest parent's IQ."

So, all I have to do is find *one* instance where this is not true and
your theory, like whatever brain tissue you used to come up with it, is
smoke.  Remember, you said in *all* instances.

Want to reconsider that statement?  Probably not.  We all know how
brave people posting anonymously dreck like this are.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Michael Swanson wrote:

> Is this the same Spotlight put out by the Liberty Lobby group that
> claims that "international-Zionism" killed JFK and that Adolph Hitler
> was the good guy?
> Mike

You betcha.

--
Keith Morrison
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Anonymous wrote:

> IQ is the "clay" from which education proceeds. Without IQ, you have no
> chance of succeeding in school. That is why The Bell Curve is correct. The
> low graduation rates of blacks demonstrates that the 85 IQ level is
> correct. They are a dumbed down race. Nature made them that way. In
> addition, when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower IQ
> than the highest parent's IQ. So, we either have a race of dullards, or we
> compromise the IQ of the white race and the lower technological potential
> that represents including lower inventiveness, creativity, and learning
> curve. It's not pretty stuff, but it's the truth. Prove me wrong.

No problem.  "...when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower
IQ than the highest parent's IQ."

So, all I have to do is find *one* instance where this is not true and
your theory, like whatever brain tissue you used to come up with it, is
smoke.  Remember, you said in *all* instances.

Want to reconsider that statement?  Probably not.  We all know how
brave people posting anonymously dreck like this are.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sat Aug 24 10:47:45 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:50:02 -0300
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Ole Kreiberg wrote:

> >The same thing holds for racism which is
> >an important ideological step towards violent nationalism and even more
> >evil things (social Darvinism to mention just the worst).
> 
> You only think on German history. Maybe that is your particular German
> experience with racism and nationalism, but this may not be case in
> other countries.

Rwanada, Burundi, former Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Georgia, Armenia, Iraq
and Iran, India, Sri Lanka.  All countries where racist or religious/cultural
conflicts combined with nationalism have resulted in violence.  All
of these *since* Germany in the Second World War.  The list could get
a great deal longer rather quickly.

In all of these cases racism and nationalism have resulted in violence.
Now you want us to believe that Denmark has some sort of magical quality
that will allow it to proceed peacefully where every other country has
failed?

Do you want us to believe in the tooth fairy too?

--
Keith Morrison
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Daniel Keren wrote:
> 
> rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> 
> [To Matt Giwer]
> 
> # You are an idiot. (That is also libel, and I urge you to sue
> # me.) Should you require further libel, I will now label you a
> # liar, an anti-semetic liar, a nazi sympathizer, and a moron.
> 
> Well, you could have been a little polite and mention the
> famous 163 IQ points.

Remember, the *lowest* he scored on IQ tests.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

True Denier Quote recently unearthed:

"Obviously, I don't have the intellectual brain-power of you guys."
                                  - Les Griswold


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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Required Amount Of Zyklon (Re: I am still waiting)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:34:45 -0300
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Richard Widmann wrote:

> The important element regarding the amount of Zyklon is not how
> much can be carried up a ladder, (let's stay serious!)
> The issue is how much Zyklon must be used for the execution of
> humans versus a simple delousing.
> 
> To enable a relatively fast execution, Rudolf has calculated that
> the quantities of Zyklon B used must have been at least
> correspondingly comparable to those used in technical delousing.

In other words, obviously technically feasible.  CODOH finally
makes a worthwhile contribution.

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Kurt Stele wrote:

> gee, with a single mounted machine gun and a few guards there wouldn't
> much of a chance of somebody "tearing you apart".  This was done in Russia
> without the Russian soldiers being "torn apart."  If the nazis were
> supposedly trying to "exterminate" jews they had the perfect, simple, and
> convenient means of execution through bullets. Gee that's the way the
> nazis executed everyone else. Your gas chamber hypothesis, aside from
> being technically impossible, is goofy

When and where in Russia, Spunky?  Dates and locations.  Actually just
one will suffice.

--
Keith Morrison
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen/Einsatzkommandos
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Kurt Stele wrote:
> 
> rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >Instead of all this quibbling with words which mean nothing as far as I'm
> concerned-provide the EVIDENCE-that's what is left.  You
> >didn't provide it in 1945 and you haven't provided it yet.  When will
> you?  Don't >show me mounds of glasses, piles of shoes, dubious
> photographs, "official" >documents, sworn affadavits, court testimonies,
> etc. etc. ad nauseam, ad >infinitum.   Simply show me the graves and the
> evidence which proves that x >thousands of people were murdered in that
> spot
> 
> fact is they can't.

How big was that mass grave at Treblinka again?

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> ># How many times are you folks going to spam ads for
> ># Nizkor?  And what is the difference between what you
> ># folks post and what I post?
> 
> >The difference, you raging ape, is that you are posting,
> >a few times a day, the phone number of a person who is
> >not Ken McVay, and who is not related in any way to the
> >Nizkor project or anything even remotely connected to it.
> 
>         How do you know?

He might have Ken's phone number?  Thought never occur
to you, Bonehead?

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Anonymous wrote:

> IQ is the "clay" from which education proceeds. Without IQ, you have no
> chance of succeeding in school. That is why The Bell Curve is correct. The
> low graduation rates of blacks demonstrates that the 85 IQ level is
> correct. They are a dumbed down race. Nature made them that way. In
> addition, when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower IQ
> than the highest parent's IQ. So, we either have a race of dullards, or we
> compromise the IQ of the white race and the lower technological potential
> that represents including lower inventiveness, creativity, and learning
> curve. It's not pretty stuff, but it's the truth. Prove me wrong.

No problem.  "...when whites marry blacks, the children always have a lower
IQ than the highest parent's IQ."

So, all I have to do is find *one* instance where this is not true and
your theory, like whatever brain tissue you used to come up with it, is
smoke.  Remember, you said in *all* instances.

Want to reconsider that statement?  Probably not.  We all know how
brave people posting anonymously dreck like this are.

--
Keith Morrison
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Subject: Re: Life and Fall of Wlodowa: Sobibor
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The Giwer Clone wrote:

> >One gunner per 600 people, right, Stele?  Fairly close range, I'd assume?
> >And what happens when a few dozen of those six hundred get pissed and
> charge
> >said gunner?  Would you, with your Super Machine Gun that never has to be
> >reloaded, never malfunctions and never gets too hot want to stand there
> >and try to get *all* of them before at least one reaches you and rips
> >out your throat?
> 
> I was using the worst-case scenarios figures.  If extermination -had- been
> the nazis object, there would likely be more gunners per person of course.
> The machine gunning of peasants this way in Russia and Cambodia worked.
> The point is, as history has amply demonstrated, killing squads using guns
> is, along with starvation, the modus operandi of extermination -- not
> goofy gas. And that fact should be considered -apart- from the evidentiary
> deficiencies in your gas chamber story itself.  If nazis wanted to
> exterminate the jews, they would have done the obvious and normal way.

Please indicate when Russian peasents were machine-gunned in the millions.

Please tell us how Cambodia is relevant to Germany in the Second World
War.  F'r instance, what major war was Cambodia in at the time?  How
many troops were required to fight the superpower nations that surrounded
it?  Please give a list of the nations Cambodia was facing in open armed
conflict.


> And since Keren pointed out that I had -overestimated- the amount of
> people per gunner by a factor of -10- (thanks again Keren), that leaves a
> mere -60- people to be shot with a mounted machine gun, hardly a difficult
> task at all. Heck a jewish doctor in Palestine a couple of years back
> managed to pick off almost that many Palestinian worshippers in a mosque
> all by his lonesome with just a semi-auto.  See, it's obviously not
> difficult

And what happened to him?  As I recall he was rushed and his head smashed in.
My point, spunky.

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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: When the Nazis return to Denmark...
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:19:53 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >Oh yeah, I forgot about that, Matt.  I calculated that the velocity of the
> >river could be 30% slower at the boundaries and still pick up your magical
> >bone particles.
> 
> >So tell me, what did you calculate the correct figure to be?
> 
>         You are clearly lying.  The velocity at the boundary is zero and it is
> a matter or the turbulence at the boundary that entrains anything.
> And you know that.  Boudary conditions are always zero as you know but
> would rather lie about.
> 
>         But then I may be wrong.  Post your calculations in any format you
> wish.  I will be most interested in calling the bluff of a holohugger.

That is *very* interesting.  You know why?  If the boundary velocity is
zero then the water *by definition* cannot entrain *any* particles as this
requires the water to have some movement if the particle has a specific
gravity higher than 1.

Now, according to this theory, water cannot *ever* move sediment that is
not dumped directly into the stream, which, when it settles, cannot ever
move again.

Now, if there is turbulance at the boundary the water must be moving.
I believe the definition of turbulance requires this, no?

So now, Matt, you have contradicted yourself.  Either the water is
moving and is turbulant or it is not and there is no turbulance.

No calculations required on this one.

So tell us all, Giwer.  How *do* rivers move sediment?

--
Keith Morrison
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Kurt Stele wrote:
> 

> >Ted Turner's Jewish?  And here I thought CNN and TBS was safe.  And I
> guess
> >Fox is a wipe out to.  Damn, I knew The Simpsons was part of the ZOG
> >conspiracy.
> 
> >Duh.
> 
> >--
> >Keith Morrison
> >t08o@unb.ca
> 
> The only goy media boss you can mention is Ted Turner.
> 
> Jews always cite Ted Turner in the specious attempt to refute the claim
> that the jews dominate and run the media.
> 
> Every other media boss besides Ted Turner -is- jewish.
> 
> The jews have a monopoly on the media.
> 
> Citing the exception only affirms this rule.

Rupert Murdoch.  Conrad Black.  Bill Gates.
Sony.  Mitsubishi.  Thomson.  General Electric.

Care to comment?

--
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Subject: Re: African-Americans, tired of all that White supremacy?
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Fredrik Lindh wrote:
> 
> If a black people fuck a white girl and the will have babys what do
> you think it will be for a baby I will tell you its like a dog fuck a
> cat it will be nothing. its the same if a white fuck a black it will
> be nothing the iq will be nothing

Uh, right.  Will the gentlemen in the white coats please report
to this newgroup?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 25 13:14:06 PDT 1996
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Fredrik Lindh wrote:
> 
> If a black people fuck a white girl and the will have babys what do
> you think it will be for a baby I will tell you its like a dog fuck a
> cat it will be nothing. its the same if a white fuck a black it will
> be nothing the iq will be nothing

Uh, right.  Will the gentlemen in the white coats please report
to this newgroup?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: African-Americans, tired of all that White supremacy?
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Fredrik Lindh wrote:
> 
> If a black people fuck a white girl and the will have babys what do
> you think it will be for a baby I will tell you its like a dog fuck a
> cat it will be nothing. its the same if a white fuck a black it will
> be nothing the iq will be nothing

Uh, right.  Will the gentlemen in the white coats please report
to this newgroup?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 25 16:00:04 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: When the Nazis return to Denmark...
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:38:56 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >> >Oh yeah, I forgot about that, Matt.  I calculated that the velocity of the
> >> >river could be 30% slower at the boundaries and still pick up your magical
> >> >bone particles.
> >>
> >> >So tell me, what did you calculate the correct figure to be?
> >>
> >>         You are clearly lying.  The velocity at the boundary is zero and it is
> >> a matter or the turbulence at the boundary that entrains anything.
> >> And you know that.  Boudary conditions are always zero as you know but
> >> would rather lie about.
> >>
> >>         But then I may be wrong.  Post your calculations in any format you
> >> wish.  I will be most interested in calling the bluff of a holohugger.
> 
> >That is *very* interesting.  You know why?  If the boundary velocity is
> >zero then the water *by definition* cannot entrain *any* particles as this
> >requires the water to have some movement if the particle has a specific
> >gravity higher than 1.
> 
> >Now, according to this theory, water cannot *ever* move sediment that is
> >not dumped directly into the stream, which, when it settles, cannot ever
> >move again.
> 
> >Now, if there is turbulance at the boundary the water must be moving.
> >I believe the definition of turbulance requires this, no?
> 
> >So now, Matt, you have contradicted yourself.  Either the water is
> >moving and is turbulant or it is not and there is no turbulance.
> 
> >No calculations required on this one.
> 
> >So tell us all, Giwer.  How *do* rivers move sediment?
> 
>         No calculations.
> 
>         Post them first.

I can't, Giwer.  My 30% figure is based on the difference between the middle of
the river flowing at 5km/h (used in my previous calculations) and 3.6 km/h,
the minimum velocity required to lift 1 cm radius silica particles.

Unfortunetly, as I am not a theoretical physicist thus I have no idea how to calculate
the flow at boundaries in chaotic, turbulent systems.  However, based on experience,
I know that rivers *do* move particles and sediments.  Unlike some sciences we
geologists have to be happy with knowing that something *does* work that way 
without knowing exactly how to predict the conditions required for it to work.
If we could do that you'd never see anyone killed in major earthquakes, floods
or landslides.

Indeed, in an _ideal_ laminar flow the boundary conditions are zero, however rivers
do not have ideal laminar flow, nor do they have the smooth surfaces that this
requires.  Any equations you think you know on how fluid flow theoretically works
will break down applied to real systems in river environments.

All my calculations on the transport capability of rivers was based not on
theoretical models but on measured capabilites of real rivers.  The lifting
velocities of particles were taken from experiments where this was observed.
Calculations are woefully inadequate because to many unknowns enter the picture.
For example, despite what might be intuitively obvious, it sometimes requires
greater velocity to lift smaller particles than larger ones of the same
composition, due to unpredictable cohesion between the smaller particles.

There.  That was my basis for making the statements I did.  Now it's
your turn.  Please indicate how rivers *ever* move anything if they
behave the way you say they do.  You said you know how this works but
were strangely quiet when I asked you to elaborate.  So, please
enlighten us.

--
Keith Morrison
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: denier tactics: make it up!
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:44:50 -0300
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article <4vg7i7$gds@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
> kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:
> 
> >anyone who criticizes jews or questions the
> >holocaust is labelled a nazi.
> 
> I have criticized Jews. They have not called me a Nazi.
> I have criticized Jews. They have not called me an antisemite.

Interestingly enough there was a report on CTV last night about
how the Israeli government is putting the pressure on Palestinians
by screwing around with the process of them obtaining their ID
cards.

Surprisingly, despite ZOG's Ultimate Control (tm) over the
media, the report came across as largely critical of Israel.

I wonder how Stele explains this one?

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Keith Morrison
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From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 25 16:00:07 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Steven Spielberg awarded $1M federal grant
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Kurt "Dazed and Confused" Stele babbled:

> >> probably 'cause -Christians- aren't the ones extracting millions of
> >> guilt-shekels out of pockets every year for another bevy of docudramas,
> >> movies, museums, and other paraphernalia in remembrance of the
> "Christian
> >> Holocaust", and then calling us "haters" if we disagree
> 
> >Yeah, some of them only run TV networks and organizations dedicated
> >to squeezing every cent out of their congregations, claiming God
> >threatened to kill them unless more money is sent in, live by the
> >"Do as I say, not as I do" principal, threaten to kick politicians
> >out of office unless they agree to regulate how everybody else will
> >live their lives and sponsor attempts at censorship and promote
> >hatred against other groups.
> 
> I guarantee you the Christian coalition can't extract a million
> guilt-shekels off the American public at will

Heh heh heh.  How much money came in when Orel Roberts said that
God threatened to kill him if he didn't raise a few million?

As I recall, he made his total, didn't he?



> >Please describe the Israeli government program to kill all the
> Palestinian
> >children.
> 
> Ah yes. The most important deaths are the death of jews. I'm sorry but I
> forgot.  Palestinian children deaths certainly don't warrant a holocaust
> monument, or a _Swindler's List_. Not important enough. Not like they were
> being killed because they were Palestinians or anything. Plus, if they let
> allowed Palestinians to have a monument it would divert money that could
> go to more Holocaust films.


Please describe the official Israeli government policy to kill all the
Palestinian children by rounding them up and executing them.

Take your time.  I'm patient.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sun Aug 25 16:00:08 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Life and Fall of Wlodowa: Sobibor
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Daniel Keren wrote:

> # not a problem. The kill ratio would still be tremendously
> # high, the surivors being only a fractional percentage.
> 
> That is bullcrap. Odd coincidence - I just saw on the
> A&E "American Justice" series a documentary about the
> Philadelphia mob (some of you out there must have also
> seen it). The movie concentrated on the hit men. It is
> amazing how many of the would-be victims survived after
> being shot at close range. If you're firing into a
> crowd, even more would survive.

I personally was thinking of Stele's Amazing Machine Gunners
when they mentioned the mobster who had been shot, at close
range, two (or was it three times?) in the head and not only
survived but fought his would-be killer.

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Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         Except that HCN was never in the CW arsenal of any country in the
> world and still in not.
> 
>         Beyond that, nice try.

Funny, then, that it has its own STANAG code (AC).  Funny it's listed
in all standard texts on chemical weapons.  Just because it hasn't
been stockpiled doesn't mean they haven't considered using it.

  http://www.opcw.nl/chemhaz/hcn.htm

  Hydrogen cyanide is usually included among the CW agents causing 
  general poisoning. There is no confirmed information on this substance 
  being used in chemical warfare. However, it has been reported that 
  hydrogen cyanide was used by Iraq in the war against Iran and against 
  the Kurds in northern Iraq during the 1980's. Hydrogen cyanide has 
  high toxicity and in sufficient concentrations it rapidly leads to 
  death. During the Second World War, a form of hydrogen cyanide 
  (Zyklon B) was used in the Nazi gas chambers. 

(Note that there is no confirmed report of nerve gasses being used in
chemical warfare either but we know they have them in the inventories.)

  http://www.brad.ac.uk/test/cbw/cbw/1023.html

  Report on the Department of Defence's Safety Programs for Chemical 
  and Biological Warfare Research

  Date
   May 11, 1988 

  Subject
   Comments: Majority Staff Report faults DOD's safety management in 
   Chemical and Biological Warfare Research Program: report found 
   "serious failings" in DOD's management of safety controls in 
   DOD-sponsored chemical and biological warfare researach (CBW), 
   "including inadequate regulations, lax safety enforcement and documented 
   safety lapses." The report states that "the safety risks begin with 
   the agents themselves. They are highly dangerous, involving many of 
   the most deadly substances known. Hydrogen cyanide and certain snake 
   venoms, for example, can kill a human being in minutes. Some BW agents, 
   despite years of research, produce illnesses with no known cure. ...[T]he
   escape of even microorganisms must be prevented. In addition to dangerous 
   substances, risky experiments, and new technologies, the report stresses, 
   still another factor has increased the risk of CBW research -- DOD's 
   rapid expansion of the program. The staff report suggests that DOD is not 
   on top of the safety issue, particularly with regard to management of 
   research involving biological warfare agents. Congress needs to examine 
   the quality and extent of DOD's safety program in the CBW research area 
   and fill in any holes, so that we can be confident that this research is 
   being done in the safest possible environment. The Subcommittee's 
   investigation will include an analysis of the DOD's upcoming report. 

Funny that the United States Department of Defense would do any research
on hydrogen cyanide if there was no possibility of it ever being used.

  http://the-tech.mit.edu/V112/N64/iran.64w.html

  By R. Jeffrey Smith and Peter Behr

  The Washington Post

  WASHINGTON

  The Bush administration has decided not to authorize the sale to Iran of a 
  large chemical plant that had aroused controversy within the government, 
  White House spokesman Marlin Fitzwater said Tuesday. 

  Fitzwater's statement appeared to lay the matter to rest at least for the
  next two weeks, but left unclear whether the plant's manufacturer, BP Chemical, 
  would be permitted to renew its application under the Clinton administration. 

  A spokesman for BP Chemical Tuesday defended the proposed sale and said the 
  company had not been informed by any government agency that its application 
  for an export license had been officially denied. The export had aroused 
  criticism because the plant's manufacturing process would produce hydrogen cyanide, 
  a gas that has been used as a chemical weapon. 

Nice try, Giwer.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Fredrik Lindh wrote:
> 
> If a black people fuck a white girl and the will have babys what do
> you think it will be for a baby I will tell you its like a dog fuck a
> cat it will be nothing. its the same if a white fuck a black it will
> be nothing the iq will be nothing

Uh, right.  Will the gentlemen in the white coats please report
to this newgroup?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >> To enable a relatively fast execution, Rudolf has calculated that
> >> the quantities of Zyklon B used must have been at least
> >> correspondingly comparable to those used in technical delousing.
> 
> >In other words, obviously technically feasible.  CODOH finally
> >makes a worthwhile contribution.
> 
>         As has been pointed out, a handful and a phone booth are feasable.

Next time, try and write a sentence that can be understood by
reasonably literate people.  You would think someone who claimed
a minimum IQ of 163 could do this.

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Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:40:59 -0400, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
> wrote:
> 
> >olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
> 
> >> Can you imagine if some prominent German Nazi had said something like
> >> "The only good Jew is a dead Jew"? This would have been heavily used by
> >> the anti-revisionists as evidence that the intensions of the Nazis were to
> >> exterminate all the Jews.
> 
> >Hm.  You mean maybe like:
> 
>         As a preliminary, still no policy document is presented.

"Your Honor, despite the fact that the prosecution has three hundred
and seventy-six witnesses who heard the defendant threaten the life
of the victim, I demand the case be dismissed because they have not
presented a single piece of evidence to indicate that my client ever
wrote down his threat.  As there was no indication that the murder
was his official policy, they have no case."

Yale, I bet you'd love to have UN Boy in court, would you not?

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From t08o@unb.ca Mon Aug 26 07:22:47 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Wilbert A. Tatum Convicted
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The honourable Vyshinsky wrote:

> >> Ah. Aryans are PERFECT, aren't they?
> 
> Can you prove they aren't?  They are not in power anywhere in this
> world.  

Quod erat demonstratum.

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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Steven Spielberg awarded $1M federal grant
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Kurt Stele wrote:

> Millions of Russians died in WWII. What monuments do they get?  none.

Just outside of Volograd (Stalingrad) is the largest statue in the
world, a woman with a sword upraised that measures about 270 feet
>from  foot to tip of the sword.  As I recall, the name of the statue
is "Rodina" (Motherland), and it commemorates the Battle of Stalingrad
and the Soviet soldiers lost in the Second World War.

Please try to keep your brain in gear when you turn on the mouth.


> When this point is brought they say "well, the jews were the only ones
> targetted for their race."  As if that is any different than being
> targetted for one's ideology or religion.  That isn't a compelling
> argument.  If so then Palestinian children should be given a monument for
> have been exterminated by Israelis, and put in concentration camps on the
> West bank.

Please indicate the locations of the concentration camps currently or
formerly occupied by Palestinian children in which the Israeli government
managed the systematic murder of them.

Take your time.  I'm patient.

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Rich Graves wrote:

> >btw, whatever happened to Milton Kleim, did he have a change
> >of heart?
> 
> Yes. Very much so. He's still got a lot of racist biases, but he doesn't
> believe in "ZOG" anymore, and he has totally repudiated "The Movement."
> Unlike Ron Schoedel, he's not pretending that he never really believed any
> of that Nazi stuff, and unlike Leyden, he's not likely to work for the
> Wiesenthal Center any time soon, but that gives me more respect for him,
> not less. Part of the story is at:
> 
>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kleim.milton
> 
> I'm surprised to say this, but I really think he's on the right track.
> He's moved back to California to and IMO honestly wants to get on with his
> life, so I'd say leave him alone, unless he wants to talk privately.
> 
> I get the feeling that he's neither an idiot like Giwer, a psychopath like
> Metzger, a criminal like Droege, or a charlatan like Zundel. Being a
> reasonably intelligent person, he finally gave in to the cognitive
> dissonance he was faced with. Intelligent people don't stick with
> totalitarianism (for which racism is just an attraction) for long unless
> they consciously decide to be evil. Milton couldn't make that choice, so
> he's out.

You know, it's really funny, but I actually miss Milt. Since we were 
born within a week of each I always thought he was my evil twin .

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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 08:47:15 GMT, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
> wrote:
> 
> #Sorry, schyster, that is exactly where I came into this conference
> #again last year.

Oh, goody.  That means the UN thing will be coming up again real soon.

You know, I was looking through my books the other day and lo, what
should I come upon but a volume published by the US military in 1943.
It was a sort of pre-CIA World Book with information on most of the
major countries of the world, emphasizing their militaries.  It was
a sort of combination almanac/phrase book/identification manual meant
for use of the US serviceman who might come into contact with personnel
>from  other nations and could recognize their ranks and so on.

Does anyone want to guess how many times the word "United Nations"
appeared?

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Gord McFee wrote:

> Chris, with all due respect, that is the oldest one in the book.
> 
> I'm not going to give the solution, but I'll give a hint as to how to solve
> it.  You learned the arithmetic required in about grade 7, and it involves
> converting fractions with different denominators to a common denominator.

No no no, you use MoranMath (tm) and GiwerAlgebra (patent pending).  It's
easy to demonstrate that there are, at a minimum, 163 cows but the number
could be as high as 200 000 000.

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acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> Keep up the good work, and repeat the info on the home address and phone
> numbers for McOyVey.

Too bad it's not his phone number.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >"Your Honor, despite the fact that the prosecution has three hundred
> >and seventy-six witnesses who heard the defendant threaten the life
> >of the victim, I demand the case be dismissed because they have not
> >presented a single piece of evidence to indicate that my client ever
> >wrote down his threat.  As there was no indication that the murder
> >was his official policy, they have no case."
> 
>         And because there is not the slightest bit of physical evidence of any
> gassing.
> 
>         You left out that part.  That is you deliberately left out the lack of
> evidence of anyone murdered.  But you know that.

You mean like rooms with cyanide traces on the walls that were designed
with showerheads that were not connected to a water system next to a
series of furnaces meant to burn a lot of people?

You mean like eyewitness testimony not only from prisoners but the
perpetrators themselves that is supported by local residents who noted
all the people going in and not a whole lot coming out?

You mean like population data that show several million people sort
of missing?

You man like documentation that shows the intent and the method to
commit genocide?

Is that the "lack of evidence" you are babbling about?


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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >>         Except that HCN was never in the CW arsenal of any country in the
> >> world and still in not.
> >>
> >>         Beyond that, nice try.
> 
> >Funny, then, that it has its own STANAG code (AC).  Funny it's listed
> >in all standard texts on chemical weapons.  Just because it hasn't
> >been stockpiled doesn't mean they haven't considered using it.
> 
> >  http://www.opcw.nl/chemhaz/hcn.htm
> 
> >  Hydrogen cyanide is usually included among the CW agents causing
> >  general poisoning. There is no confirmed information on this substance
> >  being used in chemical warfare. However, it has been reported that
> >  hydrogen cyanide was used by Iraq in the war against Iran and against
> >  the Kurds in northern Iraq during the 1980's. Hydrogen cyanide has
> >  high toxicity and in sufficient concentrations it rapidly leads to
> >  death. During the Second World War, a form of hydrogen cyanide
> >  (Zyklon B) was used in the Nazi gas chambers.
> 
>         That is what I said.  No evidence that is was ever in any nation's
> arsenal.
> 
>         Would you like to try again with better than an unsourced report?

Sure.  Mind you, you might want to try not cutting out the *other* two 
references I made so you can pretend they were not there because that
makes you look like an idiot.

Oh yeah, no *confirmed* information is not the same as saying it definetly
was never used.  Evidence to the contrary exists (as that paragraph states).

Oh, and the paragraph above (and its URL) come from the Provisional Technical
Secretariat of the Prepatory Commission for the Organization for the Prohibition 
of Chemical Weapons.  PTS-OPCW is the body designed to prepare the implemention
of the Chemical Weapons Convention, the international treaty to ban the
creation, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons and to implement their
destruction.

I'd think they'd know what they were talking about.  Unlike you.

As for the other two sources you rather thoughtlessly deleted, allow
me to repeat them for your consideration:

 http://www.brad.ac.uk/test/cbw/cbw/1023.html

  Report on the Department of Defence's Safety Programs for Chemical
  and Biological Warfare Research

  Date
   May 11, 1988

  Subject
   Comments: Majority Staff Report faults DOD's safety management in
   Chemical and Biological Warfare Research Program: report found
   "serious failings" in DOD's management of safety controls in
   DOD-sponsored chemical and biological warfare researach (CBW),
   "including inadequate regulations, lax safety enforcement and documented
   safety lapses." The report states that "the safety risks begin with
   the agents themselves. They are highly dangerous, involving many of
   the most deadly substances known. Hydrogen cyanide and certain snake
   venoms, for example, can kill a human being in minutes. Some BW agents,
   despite years of research, produce illnesses with no known cure. ...[T]he
   escape of even microorganisms must be prevented. In addition to dangerous
   substances, risky experiments, and new technologies, the report stresses,
   still another factor has increased the risk of CBW research -- DOD's
   rapid expansion of the program. The staff report suggests that DOD is not
   on top of the safety issue, particularly with regard to management of
   research involving biological warfare agents. Congress needs to examine
   the quality and extent of DOD's safety program in the CBW research area
   and fill in any holes, so that we can be confident that this research is
   being done in the safest possible environment. The Subcommittee's
   investigation will include an analysis of the DOD's upcoming report.


  http://the-tech.mit.edu/V112/N64/iran.64w.html

  By R. Jeffrey Smith and Peter Behr

  The Washington Post

  WASHINGTON

  The Bush administration has decided not to authorize the sale to Iran of a
  large chemical plant that had aroused controversy within the government,
  White House spokesman Marlin Fitzwater said Tuesday.

  Fitzwater's statement appeared to lay the matter to rest at least for the
  next two weeks, but left unclear whether the plant's manufacturer, BP Chemical,
  would be permitted to renew its application under the Clinton administration.

  A spokesman for BP Chemical Tuesday defended the proposed sale and said the
  company had not been informed by any government agency that its application
  for an export license had been officially denied. The export had aroused
  criticism because the plant's manufacturing process would produce hydrogen                     
  cyanide, a gas that has been used as a chemical weapon.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         "Into the camp of death rode the six million."
> 
>         Where is Kipling when we need him?

Probably wondering what idiot confused him with Lord Tennyson.

--
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From t08o@unb.ca Tue Aug 27 13:00:12 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Why do the Jews lie about the holocaust? What do they gain?
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:27:56 -0300
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Mike Curtis (mcurtis@inetport.com) wrote:
> : vincent@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:
> :
> : >I have been reading tons of the posts on this newsgroup and I have
> : >come to the conclusiont that the Jews seem to be hiding something.
> : >Their posts seem to be hate filled and sarcastic. I could argue many
> : >things into the ground, but the Jews on this Newsgroups seem more
> : >interested in personal attacks and what seems like weak evidence.
> : >
> :
> : Who are the Jews on this newsgroup?
> 
> You, apparently, Mike. And me.  And Ken McVay, and Gord McFee.
> 
> Ain't us JOOS tricky?

I was sent email and called a "kike", even after I sent a kind
note correcting the error.  Does that count?

--
Keith Morrison
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why do the Jews lie about the holocaust? What do they gain?
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:39:40 -0300
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Rich Graves wrote:

> Hey, I got called a nigger and a jew on the same day.

Got ya beat.  Over a 48 hour period last year I was called
an atheist, a Chrisitan fundamentalist, spawn of hell,
Jew, communist, fascist, gay and bigotted hetero.

It was, needless to say, an amusing weekend.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Big Picture
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

> And don't forget "jbelling" who is also "rblackmore" and wonders aloud
> whether WE have something to hide?!?
> 
> It's AMAZING to me that this continues.
> 
> Who can forget George Burdi/Hawthorne?
> 
> And remember the idiot (whose name now escapes me) who posted under ONE
> alias, but signed THE WRONG name, thus letting the world know he had two
> different accounts and was posting the same drivel under each one
> separately?

Thomas Doyal, posting from eskimo.com.  You remember, the "I served
with Patton and I didn't see no death camps" guy?

A former quote of the week:

"The only powdered manure anywhere is in the brain of the guy who
posted it to alt.revisionism."  - Thomas Doyal, 3 Dec 1994

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Subject: Re: Life and Fall of Wlodowa: Sobibor
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Kurt Stele wrote:

> yeah, that's why all the millions of ashes are nowhere to be found.
> Millions of tons of ashes vanish without a trace:  gee, how mysterious.
> Next you will tell us the nazis then shipped the ashes in secret trains
> somewhere, then give us some "eyewitness testimony" on it, then produce a
> come-lately tape of Himmler explicitly saying "ship the ashes."  Sometimes
> you guys are just too obvious. I know it's easy for to fool the goyim but
> you're slacking off a bit here. Use a little more effort in your stories
> at least

Millions of tonnes, hmmm?  I see MoranMath and GiwerAlgebra have been
joined with SteleCalculus.

Here's a clue.  Assuming all 6 000 000 or so Jews had been reduced to ashes
that would make about (at a max of 3 kg/person) 6000 tonnes of ash.

You were off by three magnitudes.  Are you sure you aren't Moran or Giwer?

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         I am simply discussing the matter of a pure democracy and that it can
> do anything that a majority decide to do in any manner that a majority
> is determined by them.
> 
>         If you have a problem with that, then what is your problem?

All in favour of having Matt Giwer hit with a cream pie on national
television while he is standing in plaid trousers singing "La Marseillaise"
in a wading pool full of earthworms please signify by saying "aye".

Ain't pure democracy wunnerful?

--
Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: even more types of specia
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >>         Would you like to try again with better than an unsourced report?
> 
> >Sure.  Mind you, you might want to try not cutting out the *other* two
> >references I made so you can pretend they were not there because that
> >makes you look like an idiot.
> 
>         I cut nothing.

Liar liar pants on fire.  This is the original post, verbatim, from
DejaNews.

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Subject:      Re: even more types of specia
From:         Keith Morrison 
Date:         1996/08/25
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Matt Giwer wrote:

>         Except that HCN was never in the CW arsenal of any country in the
> world and still in not.
> 
>         Beyond that, nice try.

Funny, then, that it has its own STANAG code (AC).  Funny it's listed
in all standard texts on chemical weapons.  Just because it hasn't
been stockpiled doesn't mean they haven't considered using it.

  http://www.opcw.nl/chemhaz/hcn.htm

  Hydrogen cyanide is usually included among the CW agents causing 
  general poisoning. There is no confirmed information on this substance 
  being used in chemical warfare. However, it has been reported that 
  hydrogen cyanide was used by Iraq in the war against Iran and against 
  the Kurds in northern Iraq during the 1980's. Hydrogen cyanide has 
  high toxicity and in sufficient concentrations it rapidly leads to 
  death. During the Second World War, a form of hydrogen cyanide 
  (Zyklon B) was used in the Nazi gas chambers. 

(Note that there is no confirmed report of nerve gasses being used in
chemical warfare either but we know they have them in the inventories.)

  http://www.brad.ac.uk/test/cbw/cbw/1023.html

  Report on the Department of Defence's Safety Programs for Chemical 
  and Biological Warfare Research

  Date
   May 11, 1988 

  Subject
   Comments: Majority Staff Report faults DOD's safety management in 
   Chemical and Biological Warfare Research Program: report found 
   "serious failings" in DOD's management of safety controls in 
   DOD-sponsored chemical and biological warfare researach (CBW), 
   "including inadequate regulations, lax safety enforcement and documented 
   safety lapses." The report states that "the safety risks begin with 
   the agents themselves. They are highly dangerous, involving many of 
   the most deadly substances known. Hydrogen cyanide and certain snake 
   venoms, for example, can kill a human being in minutes. Some BW agents, 
   despite years of research, produce illnesses with no known cure. ...[T]he
   escape of even microorganisms must be prevented. In addition to dangerous 
   substances, risky experiments, and new technologies, the report stresses, 
   still another factor has increased the risk of CBW research -- DOD's 
   rapid expansion of the program. The staff report suggests that DOD is not 
   on top of the safety issue, particularly with regard to management of 
   research involving biological warfare agents. Congress needs to examine 
   the quality and extent of DOD's safety program in the CBW research area 
   and fill in any holes, so that we can be confident that this research is 
   being done in the safest possible environment. The Subcommittee's 
   investigation will include an analysis of the DOD's upcoming report. 

Funny that the United States Department of Defense would do any research
on hydrogen cyanide if there was no possibility of it ever being used.

  http://the-tech.mit.edu/V112/N64/iran.64w.html

  By R. Jeffrey Smith and Peter Behr

  The Washington Post

  WASHINGTON

  The Bush administration has decided not to authorize the sale to Iran of a 
  large chemical plant that had aroused controversy within the government, 
  White House spokesman Marlin Fitzwater said Tuesday. 

  Fitzwater's statement appeared to lay the matter to rest at least for the
  next two weeks, but left unclear whether the plant's manufacturer, BP Chemical, 
  would be permitted to renew its application under the Clinton administration. 

  A spokesman for BP Chemical Tuesday defended the proposed sale and said the 
  company had not been informed by any government agency that its application 
  for an export license had been officially denied. The export had aroused 
  criticism because the plant's manufacturing process would produce hydrogen cyanide, 
  a gas that has been used as a chemical weapon. 

Nice try, Giwer.

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The following is your reply, again verbatim from DejaNews:


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Subject:      Re: even more types of specia
From:         mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
Date:         1996/08/26
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:45:45 -0300, Keith Morrison 
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>>         Except that HCN was never in the CW arsenal of any country in the
>> world and still in not.
>> 
>>         Beyond that, nice try.

>Funny, then, that it has its own STANAG code (AC).  Funny it's listed
>in all standard texts on chemical weapons.  Just because it hasn't
>been stockpiled doesn't mean they haven't considered using it.

>  http://www.opcw.nl/chemhaz/hcn.htm

>  Hydrogen cyanide is usually included among the CW agents causing 
>  general poisoning. There is no confirmed information on this substance 
>  being used in chemical warfare. However, it has been reported that 
>  hydrogen cyanide was used by Iraq in the war against Iran and against 
>  the Kurds in northern Iraq during the 1980's. Hydrogen cyanide has 
>  high toxicity and in sufficient concentrations it rapidly leads to 
>  death. During the Second World War, a form of hydrogen cyanide 
>  (Zyklon B) was used in the Nazi gas chambers. 

        That is what I said.  No evidence that is was ever in any nation's
arsenal.  

        Would you like to try again with better than an unsourced report?  


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Giwer, why *do* you continue to lie about such easily verifiable things.
You cut the two references I posted after the one you replied to.  What
possible benefit is it to you lying so blatantly?

--
Keith Morrison
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: 'kurt stele', Mathematical Genius... (Re: Life and Fal
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Kurt Stele wrote:

> In reference to the tons of ashes from cremated bodies that would have
> existed had the Holohoax been true, but mysteriously were never found,
> 
> suffice it to say Keren that there are a "shitload" of ashes you still
> haven't found,

They were spread over fields, dumped in lakes and in the nearby Vistula
River.  They are long gone, chucklehead.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

"Well, son, there are trolls and there are Trolls.  Sometimes the little
trolls act like the Big Trolls and vice versa, so you gotta bait your
trap to see if it is a Big troll pretending to be a little troll."


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Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:13:51 -0300
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >>         You left out that part.  That is you deliberately left out the lack of
> >> evidence of anyone murdered.  But you know that.
> 
> >You mean like rooms with cyanide traces on the walls that were designed
> >with showerheads that were not connected to a water system next to a
> >series of furnaces meant to burn a lot of people?
> 
>         Showerheads and missing copper pipe proves that every abandoned
> building in the US was used for gassing.  We have been over this.  Or
> did you forget?

And how many of these buildings were *designed* to have showerheads
but no piping to them?

You really are loosing it, aren't you?


> >You mean like eyewitness testimony not only from prisoners but the
> >perpetrators themselves that is supported by local residents who noted
> >all the people going in and not a whole lot coming out?
> 
>         If testimony and confession are proof them the Devil exists and there
> are witches and there are women who have borne the children of aliens.
> (The truth is out there, Moulder.)

If you happen to have a signed statement from His Badness and some aliens
I would grant you an analogy but you don't so I won't.

By the by, a Wiccan friend of mind would insist that there are witches,
but that is neither here nor there.


> >You mean like population data that show several million people sort
> >of missing?
> 
>         31 million of them.  Want to tell me how you know what fraction were
> gassed?

No no no, not dead, *missing*.  If the Nazis didn't kill the Jews, where
are they now?


>         I am talking about physical evidence.
> 
>         Physical evidence is something Jews only understand and demand when
> someone claims Jews control the media and banks and such.  When it has
> to do with gassing, things on the order of the Protocols of the Elders
> of Zion are damning.

Giwer, you wouldn't know physical evidence if someone rammed it up your ass
and connected it to a thirty amp generator.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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From: Keith Morrison 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Whereabouts of Les: Speculation Mounts
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:39:03 -0300
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article <19960827.090552.571659.NETNEWS@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>,
> pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu (John) wrote:
> 
> >maybe Les is out stalking one of us. Somebody should post a
> >jpg of Bucky so we can keep an eye out for him.
> 
> See the CTV doc "Hearts of Hate." Look for the greasy little
> wimp in Ottawa....

Oh yeah, *that* helps a lot.  Do you know how many Power Rangers
they have on screen?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca


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Danny Mittleman wrote:
> 
> In article <32234EFC.1F8A@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  writes...
> >Rich Graves wrote:
> >
> >> Hey, I got called a nigger and a jew on the same day.
> >
> >Got ya beat.  Over a 48 hour period last year I was called
> >an atheist, a Chrisitan fundamentalist, spawn of hell,
> >Jew, communist, fascist, gay and bigotted hetero.
> >
> >It was, needless to say, an amusing weekend.
> 
>     yeah, considering only three of the eight are accurate  :>
> 

Ha ha ha.  Wait till I call my Dad.  He'll show you.  Of course
he has to finish the poker game with Adolph and Joe first and those
games can just stretch on to eternity...if you know what I mean.

--
Keith Morrison
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From t08o@unb.ca Thu Aug 29 07:27:58 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Hoax revealed:  "Extermination" orders never found
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:49:42 -0300
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Kurt Stele aka The Troll babbled:
> 
> The missing extermination order supposedly issued by Hitler have never
> been found, despite the Holocausters' claims.  

So why didn't the Great Holocaust Conspiracy, who forged truckloads
of other documents, some of them exceedingly mundane, not bother to
create a "Hitler Order", hmmm?

--
Keith Morrison
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Anonymous wrote:
> 
> The culture that lives in diversity dies a thousand deaths.

The culture that produces people too cowardly to stand up
publically to say what they believe in isn't worth living.

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Subject: Re: "The Seekers" and the effect of name-calling
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Kurt Stele wrote:
> 
> You ever noticed the frequency and amount of name-calling that
> holocausters do on alt.revisionism (the same little clique of them that
> is)?
> 
> And then compare it with that done by revisionists?  (little if any, and
> typically only in response to repeated holocauster attacks).
> 
> Unprovoked name-calling is both childish and unseemly.

I can't.  This is so easy, I'd be ashamed of myself.

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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         You are all so stupid as to believe that spreadsheets have something
> to do with wordprocessing.
> 
>         You are all ignorant and very stupid fools.

Obviously Giwer has never seen any recent incarnation of the big word processing
and spreadsheet packages.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

Troll-bait sold here.


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From: t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY)
Subject: Re: Hebrew Numerology
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:07:14 GMT

In article <4dge36$ehj@zippy.cais.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

[deletia]
>       Of course fabricators can get themselves into problems when
>they carry the accounts too far. Just focusing on one book, say Yehuda
>Bauer's, "The History of the Holocaust", we can find in just a short
>span, a number of problems. He includes in his version of establishing
>a sufficient Jewish population "Table 2.1", "Jewish population
>(estimated)". In this table he has three verticle columns:

>   Year             Jews in Europe             Total Jews world wide
>   1650                700,000                     1,750,000
>   1700               1,000,000                    1,250,000
>   1750               1,250,000                    2,250,000
>   1800               1,500,000                    2,500,000
>   1825               2,730,000                    3,281,000
>   1840               3,600,000                    4,500,000
>   1850               4,127,000                    4,764,500
>   1860               5,200,000                    6,000,000
>"Source:Arthur Ruppin, Soziologie der Juden (Berlin, 1931), pp. 81,89"


>        Right in the beginning we can see the list showing that the European
>Jewish population increased 7 1/2 times, from 700,000 to 5,200,000 in
>just 210 years. In 1650 there were 700,000 in Europe and 1,050,000
>else where. In 1860 there were 5,200,000 in Europe and only 800,000
>else where. Seems there was a Jewish population explosion in Europe
>and a decline elsewhere. Or there was the explosion in Europe and many
>of those elsewhere migrated to Europe. Whichever, the source doesn't
>say.
>        Anyway it seems that Bauer's list has Jewish population expanding at
>an incredible rate between 1650 and 1860, where between 1800 and 1825
>alone the "estimated" Jewish population almost doubled from 1,500,000
>to 2,730,000 in the 25 year period, all this increase taking place
>during a time when the average life expectancy of man was about 50
>some years, further stressed by wars, famines and plagues, and the
>Jews undergoing "massive progroms".

[...]

>        ("Argumentum ad ignorantum: An argument purporting to demonstrate a
>point or to persuade people, which avails itself of facts and reasons
>the falsity or inadequacy of which is not readily diserned.")
>          
>        By the early 20th Century Bauer, using a map from map happy Gilbert,
>has the Jewish population up to 8,700,000 in Europe and 11,487,000
>world wide.
>        Its obvious that Holocaust books give consider effort to establishing
>Jewish populations in order to show that there were enough Jews in
>Europe to be killed and add up to 6,000,000.  Without such treatment
>the story would be more stressed than it is on other fronts.
>        As usual, in their blantant tossing around of terms and numbers, they
>include something that further throws suspicions on their claims, and
>in this case Bauer offers us a map from Martin Gilbert:


Wow!  A Holocaust book printed in *1931*, before Hitler came to power, 
before the first concentration camp was built, before Auschwitz.  That 
Ruppin guy must have been some prescient dude.

Idiot.

Enough of that, let us proceed to the numbers.

Population growth is exponential and proceeds according to the formula


                      P=PoE^(at)                     Eqn 1
where
    P = population after time t
    Po= original population
    E = exponential constant e (2.718281828...)
    t = time in years
    a = growth rate

Rearranging terms and taking the natural log of both sides of the equation, 
we get

                      Ln(P/Po)=at                    Eqn 2

>From  which

                      a=(Ln(P/Po))/t                 Eqn 3

comes naturally.

Given a European Jewish population of 700 000 in 1650 and 5 200 000 in 
1860,we have the formula we get 

                 P = 5 200 000
                 Po= 700 000
                 t = 210

Substituting into Equation 3, we get a=.00949 or a growth of 0.949% per 
year.

Massimo Livi-Bacci in _Storia Minima della Popolazione del Mondo_ (1989), 
(translated as _A Concise History of World population_, 1992, ISBN 1-55786-
269-9) estimated the total European population in 1600 to be 89 million and 
in 1850 to be 209 million, which equals a growth rate of 0.3415% per year.  
>From  this it would seem that Jews had a growth rate 3 times that of other 
Europeans.

However this is in error because just over 1 000 000 Jews were living 
outside Europe in 1650, whereas there were only 250 000 in 1700.  It is 
reasonable to assume that a large percentage of that population shifted to 
Europe.  Given that this is impossible to prove given Moran's figures, a 
more reasonable approach would be to use the total number of Jews worldwide.
Those figures give a population growth of 0.587% per year, still slightly 
greater than the European average but not excessive.

However, Table 1.3 on page 31 of the book shows some interesting figures.
The growth rate of the population in Europe from 1AD to 1750 was about .06%  
but jumped in 1750-1950 to .64% (*10* times higher).  The Jewish population 
increase falls below this, so we obviously know that such growth rates are 
possible.

Just as a comparison the 1750-1950 period has growth rates in the USSR at 
.82%, even given the slaughter of WW2 and Stalin's killings.  The total 
world population growth was approximetly .6%

Now, about that population doubling between 1800 and 1825.

First, Moran's methodology is, of course, bogus.  The European Jewish 
population increased from 1 500 000 to 2 730 000.  However, the *world* 
Jewish population increased from 2 500 000 to 3 281 000, an increase of only 
781 000 people as opposed to a European increase of 1 230 000.  How do you 
explain how the total world Jewish population increased by a lesser amount 
than the European?  The intuitive answer is migration.  An obvious response 
is that, like between 1650 and 1700, a great many Jews may have migrated 
into Europe.  The numbers alone don't give any indication, thus there is no 
evidence the numbers are bogus.  This rate of increase, BTW is 1.087%

Is there another population group that shows such a population increase?  If 
there is, that would negate Moran's conclusion that such numbers are 
impossible.

As a matter of fact there is such a group and they are rather near and dear 
to me. 

In 1684 the population of Quebec was approximetly 12 000 people.  In 1784, 
one hundred years later, the French population was 132 000, an average 
annual growth rate of a relatively monstrous 2.4% per year (H. Charbonneau, 
"Essai sur l'evolution demographique du Quebec de 1534 a 2034" _Cahiers 
Quebecois de demographie_, 13 (1984), p. 13).  

There were a total of about 15 000 immigrants into Quebec between 1600 and 
1700 (when immigration from France essentially ceased).  About 2/3 of that 
population returned to France for one reason or another or did not have a 
family, thus the population growth did not rely to any significant extant on 
migration (indeed, there has almost always been a net move of population 
*out* by Quebecois).  There was an average of 4.2 *married* children per 
couple (6.3 total children) which meant a population doubling within a 
single generation (less than 30 years) by birth *alone*.  These people lived 
before the sudden population jump Moran is concerned with, on the frontiers 
of the known world, with a harsher climate, during several wars etc etc.

Why did this sudden increase occur, when the numbers from Normandy, where 
most of the settlers came from, are nowhere close?  Several reasons.  The 
settlers married younger (almost 4 years earlier than their cousins back 
home), had 5 more years of life expectancy, and women had twice the rate of 
second marriages in Quebec as in France, thus leading to more children.  The 
last datapoint is explained by the fact that France, like most established 
countries, had about a 50/50 male female split so a widow didn't have much 
chance of a second marriage while most of the settlers in Quebec were male, 
thus they outnumbered females.  Given the fact that the odds were a woman 
would be a widow at a younger age (due to the lower marrying age), thus 
presumably still attractive to a man, and would live longer with a higher 
fertility rate, the odds of a second batch of kids could be very good.

This information is not new.  In 1776 Adam Smith noted that the American 
colonies were doubling their population every 20 or 25 years, mostly due to 
birth and not immigration (Livi-Bacci, p 56).  He also noted it was not 
unusual for an elderly colonist to see 100 descendants or more.  Back in 
Quebec, a couple named Jean Guyon and Mathurine Robin who landed in 1608 had 
2150 descendants by 1730.  That is a growth rate (for that family) of an 
incredible 5.72%  Given a generation of about 25 years, the family 
population had increased 1075 times in five generation.

Rabbits don't breed that fast.

So what does all this prove?

Tom Moran has no idea what he is talking about.  Not only is his (apparent) 
assumptions about population wrong he also blows it when he claims such 
numbers are unrealistic.  In fact, there is another population that has 
demonstrated growth *twice* that of what he claims is unrealistic for the 
Jews and they did it a full century earlier in an uncivilized frontier.

His methodology stinks.  He apparently refuses to consider large scale 
population movements as a cause of population changes in Europe.  He fails 
to see how the Jews could maintain a population increase given such things 
as wars and disease and pogroms when Russia-USSR managed an even *larger* 
growth rate after suffing through Czarist purges, famine, Stalin's purges, 
the Second World War and yet more famine.

Finally, he presents this information from 1931.  Information possibly six 
and a half decades out of date.  It may be accurate, it may not.  I doubt 
it's the only book on the subject to be written in the last 65 years.  Which 
leads one to wonder why he chose it.  Is it perhaps because it gives numbers 
that he thought "proved" there was intentional fiddling with the figures?

Too bad there is no such proof.


>Exaggerations, thorough fabrications - lies. Thats this aspect of the
>Holocaust story, as with the rest.      

Misinterpretation, incomprehension and outright stupidity.  That's this 
aspect of the denier method, as is the rest.

Yet another for the "Tom Moran screws up...again" file.

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >    Most of the recent work merging document processing applications has
> >    happened since Giwer was uncerimoniously retired from work due to his
> >    alleged drinking problems.  He may not have been sober long enough
> >    since to keep up with recent software developments.
> 
>         Yes, you are an idiot and a deliberate liar to take this position.

Ah, but a mere amateur compared to your valiant efforts in those two areas.

--
Keith Morrison
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Gord McFee wrote:

> :>Let everyone know what is available, and keep on repbroadcasting all the
> :>info, including his home address and phone numbers.
> 
> OK.
> 
> He lives at 24 Sussex Drive, Ottawa.  Just go up to the back door, and tell
> the servant with the yellow stripe down his pant leg (which of course means he
> is a coward) that you're there to settle accounts with the sucker that lives
> there, whatever the hell he calls himself.  Report back on your success.

If not there he can be reached at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington.  I
understand the doorman with the dark glasses and the thing in his ear has to
be physically threatened before he lets you in.

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:

> >Unprovoked name-calling is both childish and unseemly.
> 
>         It is all they have.  They lack the education to critically review
> their holohuggery.

We have how many graduate degrees represented here again?


> >Many holocausters also do not realize that when they name-call they remove
> >nearly all dignity from themselves.  This is a fact completely lost to the
> >holocausters.
> 
>         Dignity in a holohugger?  Shirley, you jest.

His name's not Shirley.  It's Mat...er...Kurt.


> >The Holocaust Tale has so many holes in it that, like swiss cheese, it is
> >more holes than cheese.  Holocausters seem like shrill little tyrants,
> >calling other people epithets much as little schoolchildren do, as they
> >try to protect their little crumbling Holocaust Tale from being probed.
> 
>         And, like schoolchildren, they actually expect it work.  It only has
> weight in their mutual admiration society.  It is gross immaturity.

You mean like making a post and then immediately claiming that you didn't
make it?


>         And do not forget folks like McFly who announce that they will support
> laws that violate the 1st Amendment right of free speech and have thus
> lost the right to call themselves Americans.

Gord, what was your citizenship again?  I believe it starts with a "C"
and has a bunch of "a"'s in it.

--
Keith Morrison
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         For what the fantasy life of the copyright infringing conspirators is
> worth, the background of the education exemption is that it is
> conducted in the classroom and in the classroom only.
> 
>         Nothing at Nizkor satisfies the meaning of the exemption despite the
> knowing lies of those who have posted otherwise.
> 
>         But then, no need to respond, it is in the hands of the Canadian
> authories at the moment for their determination.

Well, I'm sure the Canadian authories will get right on it when their
constituent authors are finished their latest projects.

--
Keith Morrison
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

> > >By the by, a Wiccan friend of mind would insist that there are witches,
> > >but that is neither here nor there.
> >
> >         Your friend is an idiot.
> >
> 
> Well, it's NICE to know that Giwer hates Pagans and Wiccans as WELL as Jews.
> 
> I thought we were the only ones.
> 
> Anyone else out there you hate for no particular reason, Mr. Giwer?

I believe he has referred to "spics" on at least one occassion.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sat Aug 31 12:06:47 PDT 1996
Article: 41449 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: Po' widdie Aryan chilluns
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:37:05 -0300
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
> 
> >Ahem. I"m _still_ waiting for _my_ ZOG-shirt, Gord. ::::tapping foot:::::
> 
> They will be available next year, when ZOG has its supersecret
> meeting... or you can write to ZOGSW and arrange a purchase.

That's the meeting on March 21st in Maui isnt't it...oh dear,
I didn't hit "send" did I?

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sat Aug 31 12:42:39 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: PRINT BACKGROUND DATA RE KEN OYVEY
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:49:17 -0300
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> Bill "Call me Gruber" Grossvenom said:
> 
> "Let everyone know what is available, and keep on repbroadcasting
> all the info, including his home address and phone numbers."
> 
> Then Gordon "Call me `Skipper of the Brittania'" McFee said:
> 
> "He lives at 24 Sussex Drive, Ottawa.  Just go up to the back door,
> and tell the servant with the yellow stripe down his pant leg (which
> of course means he is a coward) that you're there to settle accounts
> with the sucker that lives there, whatever the hell he calls himself.
> Report back on your success."
> 
> Then YOU, Mr. Morrison, said:
> 
> "If not there he can be reached at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,
> Washington.  I understand the doorman with the dark glasses and
> the thing in his ear has to be physically threatened before
> he lets you in."
> 
> A pox upon both your houses, gentlemen. I have changed
> residence for the summer, as you have put me at extreme risk
> with the revelations above.
> 
> While I am not about to tell _either_ of you where I will be,
> you may write to me c/o "HRM Lizzy, Buckingham Palace."

Why write?  I'll be seeing Ol' Liz during the Annual ZOG Royalty
Appreciation Day Picnic in Bermuda.  I'll give her the message
personally.

Oh, by the by, tell her that Di says hi.  Actually she called her
a rather insulting name, but I have to be diplomatic about the
whole thing.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca


From t08o@unb.ca Sat Aug 31 13:42:34 PDT 1996
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From: Keith Morrison 
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Subject: Re: PRINT BACKGROUND DATA RE KEN OYVEY
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:49:17 -0300
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> Bill "Call me Gruber" Grossvenom said:
> 
> "Let everyone know what is available, and keep on repbroadcasting
> all the info, including his home address and phone numbers."
> 
> Then Gordon "Call me `Skipper of the Brittania'" McFee said:
> 
> "He lives at 24 Sussex Drive, Ottawa.  Just go up to the back door,
> and tell the servant with the yellow stripe down his pant leg (which
> of course means he is a coward) that you're there to settle accounts
> with the sucker that lives there, whatever the hell he calls himself.
> Report back on your success."
> 
> Then YOU, Mr. Morrison, said:
> 
> "If not there he can be reached at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,
> Washington.  I understand the doorman with the dark glasses and
> the thing in his ear has to be physically threatened before
> he lets you in."
> 
> A pox upon both your houses, gentlemen. I have changed
> residence for the summer, as you have put me at extreme risk
> with the revelations above.
> 
> While I am not about to tell _either_ of you where I will be,
> you may write to me c/o "HRM Lizzy, Buckingham Palace."

Why write?  I'll be seeing Ol' Liz during the Annual ZOG Royalty
Appreciation Day Picnic in Bermuda.  I'll give her the message
personally.

Oh, by the by, tell her that Di says hi.  Actually she called her
a rather insulting name, but I have to be diplomatic about the
whole thing.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@Unb.ca



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