Path: hub.org!hub.org!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John MorrisNewsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Anne Frank's futuristic ballpoint pen Organization: University of Alberta Reply-To: John.Morris@UAlberta.CA Message-ID: References: <19991031231001.10976.00000721@ng-fl1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 164 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:54:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.155.17 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 941478865 161.184.155.17 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:54:25 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:54:25 MST Xref: hub.org alt.revisionism:691478 In in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:31:06 -0700, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote: >In article , John.Morris@UAlberta.CA >wrote: >[...SNIP...] >> >> >Copied below is a message I received from Nizkorite John Morris a week ago. >> >> >Note the civility, praise and encouragement in marked contrast to your own >> >> >disdain. >> >> John preferred sarcasm in this instance. I preferred disdain, which you richly >> >> deserve. >> >> Now run along and try to do better in the future. You are letting your fellow >> >> mindless deniers down. >> >> Philip Mathews >> >[...SNIP...] >> >0=0=0=0=0=0 >> >You mean to say John Morris was insincere? >> >Was, in effect, lying? >> >That John Morris is a liar? >> I was perfectly sincere. You are simply too stupid to understand what >> I said. >0=0=0=0=0=0 >See, Phil. It was NOT sarcasm. It most certainly was sarcasm. >John was being sincere. To repeat: He was NOT employing sarcasm. You seem to be a little bit confused. >IOW, he was NOT lying--you were! No, I was not lying. And neither was Phil. >Or maybe--to borrow John's words--you were "simply too stupid to understand >what [he] said." I think the words still apply to you. Regarding the remark that you seem so pleased with, I'm not sure that there's a simpler way to put it. But I'll try anyway. One of the central myths of the Revisionist mythology is that the Holocaust is above critical examination. Part and parcel of that myth is that eyewitness accounts especially are sacrosanct. Yet in your attack on the Wilkomirski memoir, you relied *exclusively* on non-Revisionist sources to demonstrate that Wilkomirski's memoir is a fiction. There is but one obvious conclusion that one would draw from the nature of your evidence: the Holocaust is not above critical examination, and survivor testimony is not sacrosanct. What you demonstrated with your belated exposé of Wilkomirski is that one of the central myths of Revisionism is a falsehood. There are so many more interesting questions about truth and fiction in biography than making simple-minded propaganda mileage out of the occasional fiction. For instance, with the vast wealth of information about the Holocaust in the scholarship of the last twenty years, why was Wilkomirski unable to produce a seamless fiction? It's no surprise that Wilkomirski was able to get his memoir past the readers and editors at a mass market publisher. After all, Lillian Hellman got _Pentimento_ past her editors, and she led a much more public life than Benjamin Wilkomirski. Jane Fonda even won an Oscar for playing Hellman's best friend, Julia. We only learned that _Pentimento_ was partly fiction when the real-life model of Julia revealed that she was neither dead nor had she ever met Lillian Hellman. Was Wilkomirski's problem perhaps that there is too much information? Is it now impossible to say that certain events occurred at certain times and places without somebody remembering that Wilkomirski wasn't there? Holocaust fiction has always been tolerated--barely--if it is clearly labeled as fiction such as in _Sophie's Choice_ or _It's a Beautiful Life_, or if it has a factual foundation such as in _Schindler's List_. I see no reason why Wilkomirski's story couldn't be re-released as a novel. That won't happen unless Wilkomirski comes clean. It seems unlikely whether he will be able to vindicate himself. If Wilkomirski sticks to his story, the story will die out irresolutely; his insistence that his story is true offers the easy explanation that he is simply disturbed. In imaginative works, we want the imagination to be controlled, not controlling. But I can also imagine that Revisionists will eventually plagiarize enough commentary from non-Revisionist sources to mythologize Wilkomirski as a Revisionist triumph. You people will still be talking about Wilkomirski ten years from, long after the rest of us have forgotten him, but you will also have forgotten that it was not Revisionists who exposed his memoir as fiction. I find the recent trend among alt.Revisionists to ask my permission to post their opinions altogether curious. Several people have done that recently. You seemed to show enough initiative to interpret my remarks on Wilkomirski as permission to spew hatred against Jews. I don't understand you people at all. I don't understand how you could regard yourself as an honest man. My remarks were clearly a limited comment on the folly of your approach to Wilkomirski. Yet you seem to take them as permission to post lies upon lies. You know before you post that you are posting lies. You know before you post that your lies are likely to be debunked. And your response is never to acknowledge the falsity of your claims, but rather to produce a further lie. What kind of person is filled with that kind of hate? You damned well that no portions of Anne Frank's diary were written in ballpoint pen. You know damned well that the only speculation raised was Faurisson's. You damned well Dutch forensic experts gave a definitive answer to Faurisson's objections. Yet you have this strange desire to retail the same lies that Revisionists have retailed over and over again. It must be awfully frustrating for you that you can't kill Anne Frank again. But you must kill her again. And again and again. And yet there she is still looking at you out of those portraits, a permanent reproach to the sickness of your soul that would apologize for the regime that killed her. What is it about Anne Frank that galls you so? Her diary says nothing about the Holocaust. There are no gas chambers in the hidden room, no trains, no disease, no hunger, no death. There is only Anne and her family, Anne and her frustrations at being cooped up, Anne and her hopes for the future. The diary ends abruptly because of her arrest. Only then does the Holocaust begin for Anne Frank. Why should the ordinary thoughts confided to an ordinary diary by a bright but otherwise ordinary girl inspire in you the need kill her again? For some reason that remains opaque to me, you need to spend your days mining newspapers for reasons to hate Jews. You need to spend your days finding ways to convince yourself that the Nazis ought to have killed Jews. You need to spend your days finding ways to convince yourself that the Jews are so evil that they invented the Holocaust. Yet Anne Frank wasn't evil, was she? Even in her teenaged sullenness, she was ordinary. She did nothing to merit arrest. She did nothing to merit imprisonment in Auschwitz. She did nothing to merit the murder of her family. She did nothing to merit being crammed into Belsen where it was almost guaranteed that she would die of starvation or disease. Anne Frank multiplies into hundreds of thousands of ordinary girls who didn't write diaries and who didn't deserve to die. Anne Frank won't allow you to convince yourself finally that the Jews deserved to die. That's why you have to kill her over and over again. But she always comes to back to haunt you. -- John Morris at University of Alberta -- "Fuch the world lets murder people." -- Matt Giwer, October 26, 1999
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