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From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
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Subject: Re: WHERE OR WHERE IS TAVISH
Date: 16 Dec 1999 03:16:02 GMT
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In article <38585078.BB7CC56C@mindspring.com>,
Buck Turgidson   wrote:
>C'mon, Nazihunter, fair's fair. What's your name and where do you live? Sauce
>for the goose, you prick.

To be fair, one should also ask how nazihunter got the name and
address in the first place, shouldn't one?

Yale Edeiken distributed it to a holocaust-history.org mailing list,
and to a few, including me, outside the list. If you are going to
condemn nazihunter, as you properly are, then should you not also ask
what Yale hoped to achieve by distributing the address in the first
place?

I posted it on Nizkor for about 90 minutes, until I realized, on
reflection, that it was the wrong thing to do, and deleted it... so,
in the end, it could have come from anywhere... but it originated with
someone who should have known better, as he himself had been the
target of a similar attack.


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Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Andrew spams again
References: <38570B78.B4F5FE32@btinternet.com>
Organization: The Nizkor Project
Cc: yawen@enter.net,david.e.michael@btinternet.com

I don't like posting email as a rule, although I confess I have done,
but I have received email I consider somewhat abusive from Mr. Edeiken, 
and am compelled to respond, and to do so initially by sharing his
outburst with you:



    I hope you're you fucking son of a bitch.

    I suggest you mae some response to  this.

    Make it hard and make it fast.

--yfe



He includes a UseNet article (see References, above) in which David
Michaels apparently said (the article has not arrived on my server
yet):



Since you have just been roundly rapped over the knuckles by your 'boss', 
Mr McVay, for apparently conspiring to incite violence against a poster 
in this newsgroup, I think that perhaps you should keep a low profile 
lest the details of your sordid behaviour find their way to your 
superiors in Pennsylvania.

David



You may recall that Mr. Edeiken said 

    "Make it hard and make it fast."

and so I must. Here is my response, Mr. Michael:

I am not now, nor have I ever been, Mr. Edeiken's boss. Further, Mr.
Edeiken has no connection with the Nizkor Project, and has not had one
since mid-July, when I removed him from a Nizkor mailing list. For
1998 and 1999, the only real connection Mr. Edeiken had with Nizkor
was making you look foolish with respect to the Himmler tape.

With respect to your interpretation of my words, I can only suggest 
that you read them again:



To be fair, one should also ask how nazihunter got the name and
address in the first place, shouldn't one?

Yale Edeiken distributed it to a holocaust-history.org mailing list,
and to a few, including me, outside the list. If you are going to
condemn nazihunter, as you properly are, then should you not also ask
what Yale hoped to achieve by distributing the address in the first
place?

I posted it on Nizkor for about 90 minutes, until I realized, on
reflection, that it was the wrong thing to do, and deleted it... so,
in the end, it could have come from anywhere... but it originated with
someone who should have known better, as he himself had been the
target of a similar attack.



If that is what you feel Mr. Edeiken meant to achieve, that is your
opinion, one I am not prepared to share. 

However, I think it would have been hypocritical of me to remain silent, 
all the while knowing where the information came from, while others were 
being justifiably pilloried for making improper use of it.

Who is to be blamed more? The person wielding the weapon, or the one
who provided it? You tell me.

[Posted and emailed]

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