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From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 07:15:44 PDT 1996
Article: 74798 of alt.revisionism
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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Subject: Re: Zionism and Fascism (was: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution
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On Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:52:37 GMT, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander
Baron) wrote:

>In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>> 
>> # Arafat's whore (Vanessa Redgrave); sundry Nazis (Butz, etc),
>> # self-hating Jews (Burg & Cole)
>> 
>> Burg (or Berg, or Ginzburg, the name keeps changing) was
>> obviously insane and/or mentally retarded, as looking at
>> his "testimony" from the Zundel trial proves.

>As I said Dan, J.G. Burg (alias Ginsberg - Jews often change their names) was
>an idealist, as is Cole. The "mentally retarded" Burg published 3 books,
>and he spoke at least three languages.

	And I yam what I yam and that is all that I yam.  





From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 07:15:45 PDT 1996
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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Subject: Re: Interesting
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On 15 Oct 1996 14:06:07 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   E@ag.org (EE) writes:
>>  On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:51:48 -0700, rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
>>  Gandhi) wrote:

>>  >mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
>  
>>  >> Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.

>	To which Rajiv Ghandi replied:

>>  >During a cross-examination, a witness is implicitly hostile. Leading
>>  >questions are not only allowed but required. Leading questions of a witness
>>  >on direct examination are not acceptable, although only discarded if
>>  >objected to. However, if the witness is a hostile witness, then yes indeed,
>>  >leading questions are permissible.
>  
>>  	Excuse me, holohugging asshole, this was direct examination.
>  
>>  	Other than that, you have a case. 

>	The documentary was shown again Sunday night,  All of the 
>examinations shown, with one exception, were cross-examinations of the 
>defendants.

	We agreed to stop this kind of post.  Please do.  




From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 07:15:46 PDT 1996
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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On 14 Oct 1996 21:15:32 -0400, karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles R.L.
Power) wrote:

>jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

>>TOTH ANSWERS: <<< I guess you would also not have minded  to much if
>>Morgenthau would have realized his BIG PLAN?  Right? Morgenthau, who
>>of course  was Roosevelt's buddy  wanted to sterilize the whole German
>>population so that "they would not  bring into this world anymore
>>leaders like Hitler."

>Why, yes, Judith, I would have had a problem with that plan. I have a
>problem with any plan which deliberately punishes people without
>determining individual guilt. I do not consider sterilization or rape 
>to be appropriate punishments for anything. 

	Yet we know that sterilization was proposed for all Germans and well
received in the US at the time and that was prior to US involvement in WW
II.  Fail to see your one time objection to this mass condemnation.  

>>	And I bet you never had any problem with the more than 7 million
>>Ukranians who were systematically starved to death by the "glorious
>>Stalin?>

>Where do you get off accusing me of approving Stalin's crimes, you
>stupid lying bitch? Where have I given you so much as a hint that I
>"never had any problem" with the deliberate starvation of the Ukraine?

	Of course you have as it was supposedly greater in numbers and yet you
pretend this holocaust is something of interest.  

>>TOTH ANSWERS: <<>	 I am convinced that during  WW II.  most Jews co-operated with an
>>evil force, the Soviets, and that they did this willingly, in the hope
>>of immediate and long-range benefit to themselves.

>So did the government of the United States, and in fact every member of
>the U.S. armed forces. Including the Jews. There is a difference between
>forming an alliance with tyrants to obtain a legitimate military objective
>and cooperating in the establishment and maintenance of tyranny. In the 
>latter endeavor, there were among others many Jews involved, of course.
>Many of them paid the price since they were among the preferred victims of
>Stalin's purges (with some interesting exceptions such as Kaganovitch,
>Ehrenburg and Zamyatin). I'm not sure all of them deserved death, but I'm
>not going to mourn them either.

	And the Zionists planned to end European Jewry before Hilter was born.
That is why the Zionists coopertated with the Nazis and worked to prevent
any emigration from Germany and the occupied territories to any place but
Palestine.  




From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 07:15:47 PDT 1996
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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On 13 Oct 1996 00:55:06 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <53kdr8$gnd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> -
>mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer)Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:08:42 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>	Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.
>:>
>:>	The primary charge in the minds of those interviewed was a conspiracy to
>:>wage aggressive warfare.  It was not explained what other kind of warfare
>:>there is.  

>That's because most people with either the IQ or the sobriety of a nine-year
>old know the difference between aggressive warfare and the other kinds. 
>Probably explains why Giwer doesn't.

	We agreed not to post this kind of material.  Please stop.  



From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 07:15:47 PDT 1996
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:20:34 -0400, Christopher Geggis
 wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

>> How does one explain the murder of US sailors on the uSS Liberty by the
>> Jew Israeli air farce?

>My brother was in the navy at about the time this happened. According
>to him the USS Liberty was gathering info on Israeli military movements
>and sending it back to Washington.  This was shared with our allies,
>the British.  Pro-Arab people in the British government then leaked
>this to the Arabs.  The Amerkan govt. knew all about this but refused
>to do anything about it.  The Israeli govt. had no choice but to fire upon
>the ship.  Only the communications was damaged and the US was warned
>that they were going to be fired upon. If I were an Israeli pilot I would
>have had no compunctions about firing upon the enemy, even if that enemy
>is an ally.

	It appears you agree that Israel was officially lying about the reason it
attacked the Liberty.  There was never any question of the lying but it
appears Israeli apologists wish to continue the lie. 


=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 08:14:10 PDT 1996
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE)
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On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 06:57:47 -0600,  wrote:

>In other words, the JEWS in Israel decided that the Americans they
>murdered were not worth worrying about???

>No wonder there is growing anti-Jew feelings around the world. When one's
>ally decides that murders will go unpunished, why should the stupid Yanks
>keep on giving billions to the murdering JEWS?

	Because Jews control the US Government and media and they know it and both
of the above come down upon anyone who says what Israel publically states.


	The question is, what does the average citizen in Israel know that the
average citizen in the US does not know?  

	The answer is, that Israel controls the US government and media.

	In Israel it is permitted to say it.  In the US it is forbidden to say it.


	The truth changes from country to country, from nation to nation, from land
to land.  

	You would be amazed what the media declines to air about Israel's actions.


	Only the Israeli side of Qana and Ramallah were give any coverage of
interest.

	Back when Israeli censorship of the news coverage was stopped by
international objection, that was the FIRST and ONLY coverage of the
censorship the US public received.  The US media was not objecting in the
least.  

	But when the country was South Africa, if was headline news.  


=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
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http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE



From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Wed Oct 16 08:14:11 PDT 1996
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On 13 Oct 1996 20:57:12 GMT, J.Lovi@Hebel.Net (Jacques Lovi) wrote:

>In article , msb@netcom.com (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:

>> In fact, these actions by these Israelis are fascist, racist,
>> and imperialist.  They are thoroughly evil.  They are "ethnic
>> cleansing".  They are very reminiscent of the Holocaust.

>The Shoa ("Holocaust") is a completely different thing that what was done
>by the Israeli government.  When you use this kind of vocabulary
>completely out of context, you're not credible.  You don't know what
>you're talking about.

>Genocide in the destruction of the majority of a people (like European
>Jews or Armenians).  Palestinians were oppressed - I do not deny this -
>but it is stupid to talk about genocide since never, at the end of a year
>they were fewer than at the beginning of the same year, even under the
>Israeli administration.  For example, in 1967, they were 300,000 in the
>Gaza strip, they are now 900,000 : is this a genocide ????

	The destruction of European Jewry was conceived and implemented before
Hitler was born.  It was done by the Zionists.  Even today they work to
limit emigration to any country but Israel as they did back when they dealt
with the Nazis to limit emigration to any counry but Palestine.  

	Genocide, by the UN definition, includes the destruction of a culture which
is what Israel engages in with it wholesale slaughter of Palestinians at
the slighest pretext.  

=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE




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