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After sending the western historical establishment into silence with his
first book:

ICEBREAKER: Who Started the Second World War?
ISBN 0-241-126223 
London, 1990 (Hamish Hamilton)

Der Eisbrecher: Hitler in Stalins Kalkuel
ISBN 3-608-91511-7
Stuttgart, 1990 (Klett-Cotta)

Victor Suworow (Suvorov), actually Wladimir Bogdanowitsch Resun, is back
with his new book:

Der Tag M
ISBN 3-608-91676-8
Stuttgart, 1995 (Klett-Cotta)
360 Seiten, gebunden, Abbildungen

In Eisbrecher, Suworow showed the existence of a lengthy, ideologically
connected attack intention on the side of the Soviet Union. In the "Tag
M", he concentrates on the reconstruction of the concrete attack
preparations against  Germany and western Europe to an exact, fixed point
in time. The "Day M" is the day of the official mobilization, in Russian
mobilizacija, which meant war. 

Here are some numbers from the book which reveal the size and scope of the
Day M:
5 000 000 men in wave 1
150 000 planes
29 000 tanks
war production of the USSR in 1939:
936 000 000 rifle cartridges 
2 240 000 mortar rounds 
5 208 000 light caliber grenades 
6 034 000 000 heavy caliber grenades
per year production of 303 Soviet factories overran by Germany in 1941:
101 000 000 grenade shells
32 000 000 artillerie shells
24 000 000 aircraft bomb shells
61 000 000 missile shells 
30 000 000 hand grenades

The Soviet attack on Germany and W. Europe (Romania, etc. also of course)
was planned for July 6, 1941. Germany¹s preventive strike, Operation
Barbarossa, came only 2 weeks before the Day M. 

The preposterous Anglo-American claim that Operation Barbarossa was a 
³Nazi ideological program to conqueur ³Lebensraum² (living space) in
eastern Europe for the ³German master race² has quietly been dropped.

-- 
Tim McCarthy
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From: landpost@pond.com (Landpost)
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Subject: NJ Commission on Holocaust Education - Commentary #3
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:48:30 -0400
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As the Chairman of the New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education, I am
pleased to post our revised curriculum outlines for grades K-8 and 7-12. 
These outlines have been modified in light of experiences gained during
our field tests of the prior version at about 35 school districts. 

We are, of course, aware of the 7-8 grade overlap. However, we wanted to
accommodate all school districts, whether they are based on a K-8 or a
7-12 model. The 7-12 outline is far more detailed than the 7-8 outline.
Thus, a district using the 7-8 outline in its elementary school should
then use the 7-12 outline for its high schools.

Murray J. Laulicht

THE HOLOCAUST & GENOCIDE
K-8 Curriculum Outlines
7-12 Curriculum Outlines
                
The following outlines were initially developed by the New Jersey
Commission on Holocaust Education and finalized with input from the
Department of Education, the New Jersey School Boards Association, the New
Jersey Teachers Associations, and the Principals, Supervisors and
Administrator Organizations.  These outlines
provide the basis for the teaching of a Holocaust and Genocide Curriculum
in the elementary and secondary schools of New Jersey in accordance with
chapter 13 of the New Jersey Laws of 1994.
April 1995

Following are Laulicht¹s plans for American schoolchildren ages 8-10 years
old. Of course, his plans are not mandatory for private schools and are
EXCLUDED from the education of Orthodox Jewish children in the various
types of private Jewish schools: 

Grades 3-4                COMMUNITIES ARE PEOPLE

Goal: Each person is strengthened and enriched by the differences they
find and accept in others.

Objectives:   The student should be able to:

1.   Identify physical characteristics of themselves and others.

2.   Identify cultural contributions of people of different backgrounds.

3.   Recognize those contributions people give to one another.

4.   Understand the effects of our words and actions on others.

5.   Define prejudice, discrimination, racism and sexism.

6.   Give examples of prejudice in action against individuals and groups.

7.   Explain how prejudice hurts everyone and ways we all (individually,
as a community, a nation, a world) suffer because of it.

8.   Give examples of times that prejudice has led to the persecution and
killing of groups of people, such as the Holocaust.

9.   Understand that in time of prejudice and persecution, some people are
courageous and help the victim, some remain silent, and some are guilty of
doing evil things to others.

10.  Explain some of the reasons people choose to think and to act in
caring or in hurtful ways.

11.  Understand that prejudice and the hurtful actions it leads to can
affect any individual or any group at any time.
12.  Recognize and accept that each person is responsible for their actions.

13.  Think of ways in which people can stand up for what  they believe is
right and good.

14.  Develop a plan to be more thoughtful, caring and trusting of others.

Of course, the education of young Zionists around the world is a 100% turn
around from the above. Professor Moshe Zimmerman, historian at the
Jerusalem University, criticizes that in ³Israel² Arabs are systematically
discriminated against and Jews are characterized as a ³race of superior
humans.² Zimmerman in the weekly ³Israeli² paper ³Jeruschalaijim² further
said that the education of Jewish settler children in the occupied Hebron
is the same as the drill of the Hitler Youth in the 3rd Reich. Religious
writings are used there, so says Zimmerman, the way Hitler¹s Mein Kampf 
was used through the National Socialists. In that light, I think Laulicht
should turn his efforts toward the Zionist children and away from
America¹s youth. I make the following contribution to Laulicht¹s new
occupation.  My additions are in CAPITALS:

Grades 3-4   PALESTINIAN Communities Are People

Goal: Each ISRAELI is strengthened and enriched by the differences they
find and accept in PALESTINIANS.

Objectives:   The ZIONIST student should be able to:

1.   Identify physical characteristics of themselves and PALESTINIANS.

2.   Identify cultural contributions of people of PALESTINIAN background.

3.   Recognize those contributions that PALESTINIANS give.

4.   Understand the effects of our words and actions on PALESTINIANS.

5.   Define prejudice, discrimination, racism and sexism IN ISRAELI SOCIETY.

6.   Give examples of prejudice in action against PALESTINIAN individuals
and OTHER ARAB groups BY ISRAELIS.

7.   Explain how ISRAELI prejudice hurts PALESTINIANS and ways we all
(individually, as a community, a nation, a world) suffer because of it.

8.   Give examples of times that ISRAELI prejudice has led to the
persecution and killing of groups of PALESTINIANS, such as the MASSACRE AT
DEIR YASSEIN.

9.   Understand that in time of ISRAELI prejudice and persecution AGAINST
PALESTINIANS, some ISRAELIS are courageous and help the victim, some
ISRAELIS remain silent, and some ISRAELIS are guilty of doing evil things
to others.

10.  Explain some of the reasons ISRAELIS choose to think and to act in
caring or in hurtful ways TOWARD PALESTINIANS.

11.  Understand that ISRAELI prejudice and the hurtful actions it leads to
can affect any individual PALESTINIANS or any PALESTINIAN group at any
time.

12.  Recognize and accept that each ISRAELI is responsible for their actions.

13.  Think of ways in which PALESTINIANS can stand up for what  they
believe is right and good.

14.  Develop a plan FOR ISRAELIS to be more thoughtful, caring and
trusting of PALESTINIANS.

Here is a little quote from Laulicht, the ³Chairman² of the New Jersey
Commission on Holocaust Education:

From: murrayj@ix.netcom.com (Murray Laulicht)
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³This is just totally incorrect.  There is a heavy presumption against any
prior restraint of speech, but the First Amendment has never been
interpreted by a majority of the Supreme Court to provide absolute
protection for speech. Speech can be regulated and even suppressed under
appropriate circumstances, e.g., the clear and present danger test for
certain kinds of political speech and far lesser protection for commercial
speech.² 
³Properly interpreted, the Constitution does not protect clowns who
advocate the commission of hate crimes.  Nor is it necessary to wait until
the clowns are about to wreak their havoc. Unfortunately, the Nazis were
considered clowns by many people until it was too late.  We are not
required to relive that experience by allowing hateful venom, without any
redeeming value, to be spread freely in the name of "absolute" freedom of
speech, which has never been approved by the Supreme Court and has never
been the law of the land.  The Constitution, it has been aptly said, is
not a suicide pact. Reasonable people can differ over how dangerous the
"clowns" are, but
I have no doubt that action against the haters is not prohibited if the
danger is sufficiently substantial.² (end quote)
Murray Laulicht

-- 
Tim McCarthy
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From: landpost@pond.com (Landpost)
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Subject: Re: Der Tag M (Day M)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:50:30 -0400
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In article <3s7j6l$c5l@agate.berkeley.edu>, rothman@asgard.CS.Berkeley.EDU
(Jeffrey Rothman) wrote:

> 
> What a preposterous claim!  Suvorov showed in his poorly written and
> unconvincing Icebreaker that there were troop concentrations on the
> Rumanian border with the SU.  No documentation was shown to back up the
> theory, just conjectures based on troop positions.  To claim that Hitler's 
> attack was a first strike is a joke.  Barbarossa had been planned
approximately 
> 9 months to a year before the actual invasion.  Mein Kampf lays out the 
> ideological basis for the invasion some 16 years beforehand.  Suvorov's weak
> case for a Soviet invasion westward might have some small amount of merit,
> but to claim Hitler knew about it and was just reacting to a pending
> invasion is ludicrous, just like typical revisionist tripe.
> 
> 
> Jeff Rothman

You obviously never read ICEBREAKER, or you refuse to accept what you've
read. An example is your statement about "troop concentrations on the
Rumanian border." Yes, there were, but how you can you deny the literally
hundreds of pages which detail the main Soviet strike goal of the Polish
demarcation line. 

Of course, Barbarossa was planned ahead of time. The Soviet intentions
were clear as early as 1930's and in Der Tag M Suworov maintains that
Stalin started the Soviet machinery towards war with Europe in 1939. Once
he did it, there was no turning back. As far as Mein Kampf, give me a
break on this establishment nonsense that here is a plan to attack the
Soviet Union. You would be funny here if you weren't so pathetic.

But, it is not only Suworov who is saying this. You can read, for one
example, von Ribbentrop's testimony in NMT which is excellent and says the
same thing. As to your post, I should have looked at "berkeley.edu" and
known beforehand that I was dealing with another Berkeley nihilistic
moron.

-- 
Tim McCarthy
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From landpost@pond.com Sat Jun 24 10:33:07 PDT 1995
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:59:16 -0400
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In article <3saf3s$lv9@agate.berkeley.edu>, rothman@asgard.CS.Berkeley.EDU
(Jeffrey Rothman) wrote:

> Landmine wrote:
 Maybe something to the effect
> of a Soviet document saying "Hey, let's invade Western Europe" and some
> German documents saying "Hey, there's a Soviet troop build-up, let's go
> invade Russia even though we're in the middle of this conflict with
> England."

Suworov quoted from over 400 Soviet sources in ICEBREAKER alone,
everything from Soviet Chief of Staff memoirs right on down to quote after
quote after quote taken from Pravda, etc. These sources are not that
obscure, and he says over and over that he deliberately did that.

In "Der Tag M", he does it again with entirely new material. But, if you
must have one single document that says it all, one has been known about
for years now and has been the subject of articles in German magazines
like Der Spiegel. 
Not that I expect you'll follow-up on it, I'll give you the references anyway:

Adolf von Thadden. Zwei Angriffer: Der Angriff der Deutschen Wehrmacht auf
die auch zum Angriff aufmarschierte Rote Armee im Juni 1941. Essen,1993.
ISBN 3-926650-30-3

This book is centered around an analysis of a document from the Moscow
Central Archive dated 15 May 1941. The document, of which only a single
copy was produced, is an attack plan in final form prepared by Schukow and
Timoschenko and was hand-delivered to Stalin. 

For a copy of the accompanying map, see Der Spiegel, Nr. 24/1991

see also:

Der Spiegel, Nr. 31/1962
Der Spiegel, Nr. 10/1989
Der Spiegel, Nr. 22/1990

-- 
Tim McCarthy
landpost@pond.com



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