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From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug  3 22:59:24 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: ernst zundel
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Manuel Prutschi a historian? Mr. Prutschi may delude himself into
thinking he is a "victim" (thus his position with the Canadian
Jewish Congress) but a "historian" is really stretching things a
bit thin. Talk about revisionism...

Geoff Lupton
--
Laws, martial law and bayonets which seek to check a nation's
destiny have never existed, do not exist and never will exist.

					- Corneliu Codreanu


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug  4 09:53:01 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: ernst zundel
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Since exterminationists are always so quick to call into question
the credentials of revisionists to comment authoritatively on the
"holocaust" or other related issues, it is only fair to ask the 
same question in return.

The claim has been publicly made that Manuel Prutschi is to be
considered a "historian". Given the high standards of academia that
are consistently demanded of revisionsists, it is imperative that
you provide the same for Prutschi.

Please provide forthwith academic credentials that prove that Mr.
Prutschi is a historian. If no such credentials exist, then it is
your duty and obligation to withdraw this claim and any prestige that
results from it re Ernst Zundel. 

Geoff Lupton

--
Laws, martial law and bayonets which seek to check a nation's
destiny have never existed, do not exist and never will exist.

					- Corneliu Codreanu


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug  4 22:12:19 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Skinheads for Manilow
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Even if some skinheads did like Barry Manilow, I doubt the sentiment
would be returned. Manilow, the son of self-proclaimed "holocuast
survivors", apparently suffers from a phobia of blond-haired people.
Supposedly, in Manilow's eyes, all blondes represent the National
Socialist ideal of Aryanism and must be avoided at all costs. He even
refuses to let any blonde women backstage or anywhere near his
dressing room. Just imagine how he would react to skinheads!

Geoff Lupton

--
Laws, martial law and bayonets which seek to check a nation's
destiny have never existed, do not exist and never will exist.

					- Corneliu Codreanu


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug  8 21:57:11 PDT 1995
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I have not responded to your requests for citations, Mr. Mittleman,
because I DID NOT make the remarks in question re US aid to Israel.

You are obviously referring to J. Lupton, an American contributor.
I AM NOT him. I would appreciate it if I was not assumed to be such.

Geoff Lupton
--
Laws, martial law and bayonets which seek to check a nation's
destiny have never existed, do not exist and never will exist.

					- Corneliu Codreanu


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug  9 13:00:37 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Lupton's Dementia
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Michael Philips makes reference to the "dementia" of one "Jeff
Lupton". Whether or not his list constitutes dementia is not
my concern. What is disturbing is Philips' attribution of these
points to the wrong person (not the first time this has happened).

The query should be addressed to JOHNNIE LUPTON, as he is the one
who posted them. By attributing them to "Jeff" Lupton, I must assume
that Philips, once again, is trying to insinuate that the two
Luptons are one and the same. Philips know this is not the case.

What will it take, Mr. Philips, for you to accept that the two
Luptons are not synonymous? What will it take for you to cease
and desist your dishonest practices?

GEOFF Lupton

--
Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with
which all individuals or groups are relative,only to be conceived
of in their relation to the State.
					- Benito Mussolini


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 05:58:19 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Lupton's Dementia
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Mr. Baglow:

Whether or not Johnnie Lupton and I "stand for the same things"
is NOT the issue here, as you well know. The issue is Michael
Phillips' continued false assertion that I am surreptitiously
posting under another account when he knows full well is NOT
the case. He then seeks to call me to account for things he
knows I did NOT post instead of attributing them to Johnnie
Lupton, which would be the honest thing to do.

While we are using your logic, John, I recently saw an anti-
Harris protest on TV where PSAC activists were marching
along side members of the Communist Party of Canada. I guess,
in future, you won't mind me or others associating you with
the Communists as you "stand for the same things".

Geoff Lupton

--
Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with
which all individuals or groups are relative,only to be conceived
of in their relation to the State.
					- Benito Mussolini


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 15:41:57 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Lupton's Dementia
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Mr. Baglow:

Please cite specific postings that I made where I revealed myself
as a "self-identified" anti-semite or holocaust-denier. Your charges
regarding fascism I will admit to (proudly), but I fail to recall
any instances where I have advocated ant-semitism or denied that any
Jews died during World War II (hint: questioning the "six million"
figure does not necessarily denote "holocaust denial).

One more thing: I am intrigued by your constant references to terms
like "evil" and "sinister" when referring to right-wingers in
general and myself in particular. While I obviously disagree with 
your political orientation, I am willing to accord you respect and
even a degree of admiration for your efforts. It would be nice, just
for once, if you could show a little humanity in return. Thank you.

Geoff Lupton

--
Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with
which all individuals or groups are relative,only to be conceived
of in their relation to the State.
					- Benito Mussolini


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 10 15:42:01 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Lupton's Dementia
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Mr. Philips:

I give up. Obviously, no matter how many times I post it, you 
simply refuse to accept the fact that I am NOT Johnnie Lupton
and you continue to attempt to call me to account for things
I did NOT write. I am beginning to get concerned about your
condition. Do you have dyslexia or something?

For the last time, repeat after me: Geoff Lupton and Johnnie
Lupton are NOT the same people! Are you still with me, Mr.
Philips? Other people on the Net can make the distinction 
between the TWO different Luptons. Why can't you do the same?
Unless you aren't just playing a game and you really believe
what you're saying, in which case you should seek help.

One last point: if I really wanted to hide my identity behind
a second account, would I use the same and relatively obscure
surname. Obviously not, but since elementary logic seems to
escape you, I am probably wasting my time trying to convince you
otherwise. Go ahead and cling to your little delusions, Mr.
Philips, and excuse me while I go on with my life.

Geoff Lupton

P.S. If you really do want answers to your questions, then address
them to Johnnie Lupton instead (but then you knew that already, 
didn't you, or certainly should have).

--
Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with
which all individuals or groups are relative,only to be conceived
of in their relation to the State.
					- Benito Mussolini


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 11 15:57:12 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Questioning the "six million"
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Perhaps if interested parties were allowed to put all
the facts out on the table and engage in a rigourous
debatwe on the "six million" story, we might have a
fighting chance to establish, once and for all, what
really happened and how many Jews (and others) died.

However, as Ken McVay well knows, there has been a very
concerted effort by himself, John Baglow and others to
deliberately suppress any real debate on the holocuast
by resorting to name-calling smear tactics with respect
to myself or others who question n holocuast orthodoxy.

In McVay's case, this is doubly ironic given his recent
pronouncements in a CBC Prime Time News documentary
on cyberspace "hate" in which he claimed to favour free
speech and open debate. 

The only way to resolve this issue is to have a full and
open public debate on the hlolocaust. This offer has been
made time and agian by Irving, Zub Zundel and others
and are consistently refused by the spokesmen of ortho-
doxy. Why is that, Mr. McVay? If your caser is so rock
solid, why do you always run and hide at the suggestion
of a public debate?

Geoff Lupton

P.S. Please forgive the typosd. I am using a public
library computer with a faulty bacjspace key.

--
Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with
which all individuals or groups are relative,only to be conceived
of in their relation to the State.
					- Benito Mussolini


From bzs@world.std.com Fri Aug 11 21:30:24 PDT 1995
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Questioning the "six million"
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
>Perhaps if interested parties were allowed to put all
>the facts out on the table and engage in a rigourous
>debatwe on the "six million" story, we might have a
>fighting chance to establish, once and for all, what
>really happened and how many Jews (and others) died.

This has been going on for 50 years now and few have found any merit
whatsoever to these (at this point) wild-eyed claims.

After 50 years of failing to build anything even vaguely resembling a
case *now* Geoff Lupton wants to wipe the slate clean?

What's the point, the libraries are chock-a-block full of information
and histories etc.

Why not do the same for those who claim the earth is flat or any
number of looney ideas professed by a few crackpots?

What authority are you looking for, exactly? You pick up a pencil and
a piece of paper (or similar) and you make your argument.

But that's been done by Butz, Weber, Raven, Carto, Zuendel, etc, and
they've basically been laughed right off the stage.

So what is this, "one more chance c'mon give us one more chance!"

*WHO* are you appealing to? What magic do you believe is out there
that can somehow lend credance to these crackpot ideas that have been
sounded out over and over for about 50 years now and soundly rejected
over and over for about 50 years now?

I suppose you'll protest my use of the term "crackpot", but that's
what they are, they've had their day(s) in the sun, and been adjudged
completely without merit.

Feel free to repeat them, and then we can all repeat things like the
memos between Nazi officers written during the war, in the regular
course of their duties, which completely refute your claims (for
starters), and you can then babble about "forgeries all forgeries"
again (without any evidence whatsoever), and finally feeling silly and
humiliated can vent your frustration by claiming, YET ONCE AGAIN, that
you haven't been given a fair chance to make your case.

Gak.

>However, as Ken McVay well knows, there has been a very
>concerted effort by himself, John Baglow and others to
>deliberately suppress any real debate on the holocuast
>by resorting to name-calling smear tactics with respect
>to myself or others who question n holocuast orthodoxy.

Oh stop this idiocy, Ken McVay et al can not suppress you as we can
all plainly see.

Cah-mon, this "holocaust denial" garbage has been published in all
sorts of forms for nearly 50 years and virtually no one believes a
word of it...and for good reason!

Now Geoff Lupton has a scapegoat...it's Ken McVay's fault that people
are still wiping tears of laughter (and disgust) from their eyes after
having read the writings of the likes of Butz, Faurisson, Weber, etc.
these past, what is it, 25 or so years these particular three have
been writing these things?

I know, it's all a grand conspiracy that no one will believe these
ravings.

Must be *someone's* fault.

Right.

Howsabout a simpler explanation? These holocaust deniers are just
wrong!

I know, too obvious.

>In McVay's case, this is doubly ironic given his recent
>pronouncements in a CBC Prime Time News documentary
>on cyberspace "hate" in which he claimed to favour free
>speech and open debate. 

Nothing ironic about it, you don't get it, do you?

You've had your "free speech and open debate". For almost 50 years
now.

You've lost.

You've been adjudged by many, many responsible and reasonable people
to be sheer crackpots without an iota of legitimacy.

As the expression goes; you've buttered your bread, now sleep in it!

>The only way to resolve this issue is to have a full and
>open public debate on the hlolocaust. This offer has been
>made time and agian by Irving, Zub Zundel and others
>and are consistently refused by the spokesmen of ortho-
>doxy.

You misspelled "refuted", "are consistently refuted..."

You're welcome.

>If your caser is so rock
>solid, why do you always run and hide at the suggestion
>of a public debate?

Oh cut it out, yer making me cry!

What a load of transparent bull this is, Lupton.




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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Questioning the "six million"
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
>Perhaps if interested parties were allowed to put all
>the facts out on the table and engage in a rigourous
>debatwe on the "six million" story, we might have a
>fighting chance to establish, once and for all, what
>really happened and how many Jews (and others) died.

This has been going on for 50 years now and few have found any merit
whatsoever to these (at this point) wild-eyed claims.

After 50 years of failing to build anything even vaguely resembling a
case *now* Geoff Lupton wants to wipe the slate clean?

What's the point, the libraries are chock-a-block full of information
and histories etc.

Why not do the same for those who claim the earth is flat or any
number of looney ideas professed by a few crackpots?

What authority are you looking for, exactly? You pick up a pencil and
a piece of paper (or similar) and you make your argument.

But that's been done by Butz, Weber, Raven, Carto, Zuendel, etc, and
they've basically been laughed right off the stage.

So what is this, "one more chance c'mon give us one more chance!"

*WHO* are you appealing to? What magic do you believe is out there
that can somehow lend credance to these crackpot ideas that have been
sounded out over and over for about 50 years now and soundly rejected
over and over for about 50 years now?

I suppose you'll protest my use of the term "crackpot", but that's
what they are, they've had their day(s) in the sun, and been adjudged
completely without merit.

Feel free to repeat them, and then we can all repeat things like the
memos between Nazi officers written during the war, in the regular
course of their duties, which completely refute your claims (for
starters), and you can then babble about "forgeries all forgeries"
again (without any evidence whatsoever), and finally feeling silly and
humiliated can vent your frustration by claiming, YET ONCE AGAIN, that
you haven't been given a fair chance to make your case.

Gak.

>However, as Ken McVay well knows, there has been a very
>concerted effort by himself, John Baglow and others to
>deliberately suppress any real debate on the holocuast
>by resorting to name-calling smear tactics with respect
>to myself or others who question n holocuast orthodoxy.

Oh stop this idiocy, Ken McVay et al can not suppress you as we can
all plainly see.

Cah-mon, this "holocaust denial" garbage has been published in all
sorts of forms for nearly 50 years and virtually no one believes a
word of it...and for good reason!

Now Geoff Lupton has a scapegoat...it's Ken McVay's fault that people
are still wiping tears of laughter (and disgust) from their eyes after
having read the writings of the likes of Butz, Faurisson, Weber, etc.
these past, what is it, 25 or so years these particular three have
been writing these things?

I know, it's all a grand conspiracy that no one will believe these
ravings.

Must be *someone's* fault.

Right.

Howsabout a simpler explanation? These holocaust deniers are just
wrong!

I know, too obvious.

>In McVay's case, this is doubly ironic given his recent
>pronouncements in a CBC Prime Time News documentary
>on cyberspace "hate" in which he claimed to favour free
>speech and open debate. 

Nothing ironic about it, you don't get it, do you?

You've had your "free speech and open debate". For almost 50 years
now.

You've lost.

You've been adjudged by many, many responsible and reasonable people
to be sheer crackpots without an iota of legitimacy.

As the expression goes; you've buttered your bread, now sleep in it!

>The only way to resolve this issue is to have a full and
>open public debate on the hlolocaust. This offer has been
>made time and agian by Irving, Zub Zundel and others
>and are consistently refused by the spokesmen of ortho-
>doxy.

You misspelled "refuted", "are consistently refuted..."

You're welcome.

>If your caser is so rock
>solid, why do you always run and hide at the suggestion
>of a public debate?

Oh cut it out, yer making me cry!

What a load of transparent bull this is, Lupton.




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From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Aug 17 09:43:45 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Another Nazi in the Canadian Armed Forces
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John Baglow once again tries to alarm Canadians with hsi charges
of "Nazis" and "racists" in the Canadian Armed Forces. The last
time I checked, the military employed about 90,000 people. Of all
these individuals, Baglow chooses to get all hot and bothered by
a handful of "extremists" who may or may not express their opinions
on the job and/or let their views influence their performance of duty.

This sounds like another leftist tempest in a teapot. Presumably, Mr.
Baglow supports PSAC's ideal of a politicised public service (pro-NDP)
but balks at the idea that a few members of the Armed Forces allegedly
share some sympathy with the Right. 

No doubt, Baglow, had he been alive then, would have been on the front
line fighting against McCarthy's investigation of Communist infiltration
of the American miltary and goverment (a much bigger threat than a few
"neo-Nazis" in Canada. It sounds like Baglow has been reading too much
Kinsellian propaganda again. Methinks Baglow is also a big hypocrite!

Geoff Lupton

--
He who would live must fight. He who does not wish to fight in 
this world, where permanent struggle is the law of life, has 
not the right to exist.
					- Adolf Hitler


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 22:36:08 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Lupton and Adolf
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The quotation in question (below) does not imply, as Charles 
Freedberg claims, that National Socialists will "decide" who
lives and who won't. This is a complete and utter misrepresentation
of the real meaning of the passage.

Hitler is merely echoing social Darwinism. He is not claiming that
he or someone else will decide the fate of other peoples. Rather,
he is saying that all peoples are repsonsible for their own fate
in this world and must fight to ensure their future.

I see nothing in this quote that advocates or condones "genocide".
It is merely a recognition of the facts of Life and could apply
to any Nation or race, not just Whites. I further fail to see how
it has anything to do with the Turner Diaries.

Geoff Lupton

--
He who would live must fight. He who does not wish to fight in 
this world, where permanent struggle is the law of life, has 
not the right to exist.
					- Adolf Hitler


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 18 22:36:39 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Another Nazi in the Canadian Armed Forces
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John Baglow objects to funding military training for alleged
"neo-Nazis" with his tax dollars. At the smae time, Baglow
sits on the executive board of a union that has sought to arrange
job security with the Quebec separatists in the event that the PQ
wins its referendum. Ah, a true patriot.

Secondly, Baglow misleads readers with his claim that no Communists
were discovered within the US public service. How about Julius and
Ethel Rosenberg, Alger Hiss, Whittaker Chambers, etc., or did you
conveniently "forget" them ?

With respect to the so-called "anti-fascists" of the International
Brigades, it is well known that these bandits went abroad to join
in a foreign civil war in which Canada and most other nations were
neutral. Surely, only a diehard socialist could expect praise for
these leftist dupes who deliberately intervened as Canadian citizens
in contravention of our national foreign policy.

As it stands, the International Brigades were quickly subsumed by the
Stalinist leadership of the "Loyalist" cause, which had always tried to
disguise its Red terror under the flimsy and false pretext of fighting
for "freedom" and "democracy". At least the Nationalist forces under
Franco had the honesty to admit they were fighting for fascism. Likewise
in Canada, Adrien Arcand and the Canadian fascists never wavered in
their refusal to support a war against the Axis powers ( and spent the
war in Canadian concentration camps for their beliefs ) in contrast to
the Communists who flip-flopped on the war depending on their lasest
orders from Uncle Joe in Moscow.

As far as the civil service is concerned, Baglow knows full well that
PSAC has long lobbied for the right of public servants to become
politically active. PSAC has also targetted Tory and Liberal governments
(and individual politicians) for defeat. Presumably, this implies, by
process of elimination, that PSAC and Baglow would most like to see the
NDP in power, as we can safely assume that neither would support Reform
(although some might support the Bloc Quebecois). Unless Baglow supports
those further to the Left than the NDP; he is known for his allainces
with the Socialist Workers Party and the Communist Party of Canada, as
evidenced by PSAC's appearance with both of these organizations at a 
recent protest rally in opposition to the duly elected provincial Tory
goverment in Ontario.

Therefore, I would again submit that Mr. Baglow and his leftist allies
are trying to promote hysteria about a few "neo-Nazis" in the Canadian
military. He has failed to show how the politically incorrect views of
Marc Lemire or others has prevented them from carrying out their work
responsibilities. Instead, we are presented with a neo-McCarthyite idea
that the military is inundated with "extremists" who must be rooted out
of their jobs because, as a taxpayer, Baglow objects to their presence.

Do us all a favour, Mr. Baglow. Presnt us with a list of all the "thought
crimes" you feel should make someone ineligible for employment in the
Armed Forces so we can see just how much personal freedom you are
prepared to grant to those you disagree with. While you're at it, perhaps
you could also explain how PSAC's collusion with Quebec separatists is
consistent with your supposed commitment to serving Canada.

Geoff Lupton

--
He who would live must fight. He who does not wish to fight in 
this world, where permanent struggle is the law of life, has 
not the right to exist.
					- Adolf Hitler


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 21 18:31:13 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Another Nazi in the Canadian Armed Forces
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John Baglow makes a number of points which require comment. First,
I raised the issue of PSAC's negotiation with Quebec separatists to
put his priorities into context. Baglow jumps up and down over a 
few alleged "extremists" in the military (supposedly a "threat" to
our international reputation) but condones separatism. Interesting.

Second, Baglow cites alleged executions by Franco after the Spanish
Civil War as numbering 400,000. While I concede that executions of
Communists and subversives did follow Franco's victory, nowhere have
I seen that inflated number before. Do you have a reliable source
for that, John?  Mr. Baglow conveniently fails to mention the heinous
atrocities perpetrated by Loyalist forces (including his beloved
International Brigades) against Christian Spaniards, including the
ransacking and looting of churches and the desecration and defilement
of holy graveyards. Spanish communists also invaded convents and
raped nuns in the name of "freedom" and "democracy". No doubt, their
heroic exploits account for the recent unveiling of a memeorial to
these bandits at Queen's Park at the behest of the former NDP regime.

Whether or not I admire McCarthy was never at issue, Mr. Baglow. The
issue was your need to engage in politically correct witchhunts for
right-wingers in the military. In this respect, like it or not, you
are follwing in the tradition of McCarthy. For the record, I think
there was substance to some of McCarthy's charges but he ultimately
undermied his cause by his tactics and overextending himself. BTW,
the guilt of Alger Hiss has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt
except in the minds of socialist apologists.

Baglow claims that he has been disowned by the far Left as a sell-out.
Let's see. Baglow and Co. dislike the NDP for being too tame but are
denounced by the Communists for the same reason. So where does that
leave you, John? If you are really at odds with the SWP and the
CPC, then you will publicly distance yourself from them and urge PSAC
to do the same. Believe me, in a time of restraint and public concern
with government spending, holding a demonstration with blatantly
Communist factions marching within your ranks is no way to build up
any sympathy for your cause.

Geoff Lupton

--
Fascism is a movement to secure national renaissance by people
who feel themselves threatened with decline into decadence and
death and are determined to live, and live greatly.
					- Oswald Mosley


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Aug 29 11:38:04 PDT 1995
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Ken McVay's masters at the ADL must have expanded his assignment.
Not only is the fearless McVay continuing his crusade against
historical revisionism, but he is now wading in to attack the
militia movement and other survivalist organizations. Armed with
an ADL report, no less. Careful, Ken, your bosses may be going
too far on this one. How will they upgrade your image as a
Holocaust expert to a one-man army against the entire right-wing?
Another OBC, perhaps?

Geoff Lupton

--
Fascism is a movement to secure national renaissance by people
who feel themselves threatened with decline into decadence and
death and are determined to live, and live greatly.
					- Oswald Mosley


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Aug 30 19:23:44 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Ku Klux Klan
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The name Ku Klux Klan is derived from two distinct sources. The 
first, "kuklos", was an old Greek term meaning "circle". Since
the orginal Klan (circa 1865) was a small group, it was cncieved of as a circle. As the groups grew larger, they continued
to gather in circles at their meetings.

"Klan" was derived from the Scottish "clan", as all Klansmen saw
themsleves as fraternal brothers and memebrs of an extended Klan
family.

Geoff Lupton

--
Fascism is a movement to secure national renaissance by people
who feel themselves threatened with decline into decadence and
death and are determined to live, and live greatly.
					- Oswald Mosley



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