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From: Joe Lockhart 
Subject: Are White males' equal? Think again
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The Winnipeg Sun May 29,1996 Page 5:  Naomi Lakritz: Straight Talk


ALL ANIMALS are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." 
   The totalitarianism George Orwell warned of in his classic satire Animal
Farm is alive and well in the 1990s, It's the workday philosophy of human
rights commissions.
   That's what a white male named Richard Bruce Watson learned when he
complained to the Nova Scotia Human Rights Commission that he'd been 
passed over for a job with the Dartmouth police.

   Watson, who was qualified enough to be short-listed for the police
academy, filed a reverse discrimination suit after he was bumped in favor
of two black men and six women.

   The commission dismissed it, so he took it to court. That's when Watson
found that all humans are equal, but some humans are more equal than
white males,
   Why, Watson was just being silly and selfish. The police force's action
hadn't discriminated against HIM, the court said. Rather, it had "benefited
disadvantaged groups."
   Further, the court said the Dartmouth police have affirmative action and
anything done in the name of affirmative action isn't discrimination, The
judge all so said police should have told Watson early on that only women
and minorities were being hired. As if warning someone of impending
discrimination makes it right.
   This is not an isolated incident of lunacy.
   The same thing can happen in Manitoba, where our human rights
commission also justifies reverse discrimination by redefining it out of
existence.
   Commission complaints supervisor Roger Young says reverse
discrimination is an issue only if a company has no defence against it. The
defence being an affirmative action plan.
   "Where an employer has an approved program to hire target groups, it's
not reverse discrimination," says Young.
   So if a company has the program, it can tell a qualified white male
candidate to get lost and that's OK.
   But if the same company has no plan and it tells the identical candidate
to get lost, that's discrimination.
   Any group that dabbles in situational ethics to this degree has no business
calling itself a human rights commission. It's playing the same ugly game
it was set up to prevent others from playing.
   Young says a case like Watson's would have a "bona fide reason for the
apparent discrimination."
   There's no bona fide reason for any discrimination! None! This is scary
stuff.
   And he adds that while job qualifications come first, "special
consideration is given to certain factors." Just another way of telling white
males they'll continue to get the short end of the stick and they can put up
or shut up.
   There should be no "special consideration." No "certain factors." And
judging by their Animal Farm mentality, maybe there should be no more
human rights commissions either.

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From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Sun Jun  2 17:59:26 PDT 1996
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Ontario court says holiday law violates Charter
Saturday June 1, 1996 Winnipeg Free Press

Canadian Press

TORONTO -- ONTARIO could become a shoppers' haven 365 days a 
year after a court apparently struck down a law preventing most stores 
>from  opening on Boxing Day and eight other statutory holidays.
   The decision was cheered by retailers that have been fighting for years
against what they called an unfair Retail Business Holidays Act.
    But the provincial government disputed  the  power  of a  lower court
judge to make such a sweeping ruling and insisted the law remains in
force.
   "This ruling doesn't prohibit police from enforcing the act," said
Brendan Crawley of the Attorney General's Ministry, which will decide
whether to appeal within 30 days.
   The act allows holiday openings for small food stores and pharmacies
plus retailers in designated tourist areas. Larger stores that often sold 1
similar goods were shut out.
   "If there's going to be a law, everybody should be treated the same 
way," said Diane Brisebois of the Retail Council of Canada.
   The ruling by Hugh Silverman, a judge in the provincial division of 
Ontario's Court of Justice, said the law violates the Charter of Rights and 
Freedoms by setting unequal standards.
   "The 'forbidden days' in the act constitute an irrational, illogical,
unreasonable restraint on business activity and workers' rights to earn a
livelihood," Silverman wrote. He stayed charges against two drugstore 
chains, Hy and Zel's and Herbies, plus Kitchen Table food stores, and
declared the law "of no force and effect."
   The outlets faced a total of about 60 charges in 10 Ontario cities
stemming from the early 1990s, said their lawyer Tim Danson.
   The charges were transferred to a Toronto court as part of an
agreement with the Attorney General's Ministry during the previous 
NDP government to treat them as a "test case" against the law, he said. 
   "Both sides agreed to be bound by this decision."
   Spokesmen for the Conservative government, however, said they were
"unaware" of any agreement. Ontario's government will decide by 
Canada Day on July 1 -- the next statutory holiday affected by the ruling 
whether the law should be enforced by police forces across the province. 
   Retailers against holiday openings are often small, family-run
operations that cherish the days off or have trouble finding staff, said 
Brisebois of the Retail Council, which represents 700 retailers across the
country.

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after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with
many sorrows."   1 Timothy 6:10

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admiral@escape.ca (The Bathtub Admiral) wrote:
>Joe Lockhart  in message
><1996May31.223855.24833@wpg.ramp.net>
>launched into a drum solo and said:
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>Joe:
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>"Say what you have to say and when you come to a sentence
>with a grammatical ending, sit down. - Winston Churchill"
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>NGs & follow-ups reset (ain't free-speech wonderful).
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Did you write that all by your little self?

You should stop playing with your rubber duck..



From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Mon Jun  3 11:39:22 PDT 1996
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Who supports Homosexual rights?

ADL: SUPREME COURT STRIKING DOWN COLORADO
ANTI-GAY AMENDMENT IS A LANDMARK DECISION

New York, NY, May 20...The Anti-Defamation League today hailed
the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Romer v. Evans, striking down
Colorado's anti-gay Amendment as a "landmark decision" and "a
major victory in the ongoing struggle against all forms of bigotry and
discrimination."

ADL National Chairman David H. Strassler and National Director
Abraham H. Foxman issued the following statement:

We are pleased and gratified that the Supreme Court has rejected the
effort to deny Colorado's gays and lesbians the protection of
anti-discrimination laws. This is a momentous decision of national
significance, and a welcome reaffirmation that equal protection means
equal protection for all. Supporters of Colorado's Amendment 2
claimed it was a neutral law intended to treat gays and lesbians equally
with other citizens and deny them special rights. In fact, this insidious
Amendment sought a special license to discriminate against gays, and
to bar them from even being allowed to seek legal protection available
to all other Coloradans. 

Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority, was right on target
when he noted that "a law declaring that in general it shall be more
difficult for one group of citizens than for all others to seek aid from
the government is itself a denial of equal protection of the laws in the
most literal sense." He also demonstrated an awareness of the bias
underlying this Amendment, citing the "inevitable inference that the
disadvantage imposed is born of animosity toward the class of persons
affected." 

Recognizing the landmark nature of this decision and particularly its  
importance for countless Americans who have been victims of
discrimination because of their sexual orientation, our enthusiasm over
the Supreme Court's decision is marred only by Justice Scalia's
unfortunate reference, in his dissent, to the efforts of a "geographically
concentrated and politically powerful minority" to "undermine" the
majority's effort to "preserve its view of sexual morality." As the
majority ringingly determined, this is a case about discrmination, not
sexual morality. 

The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading
organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that
counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.



From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Mon Jun  3 17:06:48 PDT 1996
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The mask comes off
With gay rights in the bag, homosexuals plot their next move

Minutes after the House of Commons voted to include protection of
"sexual orientation" in the Canadian Human Rights Act two weeks ago,
homosexual NDP MP Svend Robinson gleefully told television cameras
what the Liberals and the media were previously loath to admit: that the
door  to gay marriages and a host of other legal rights for homosexuals
had been blown wide open. Reform Party members and dissident
Liberals had been warning the public about the far-reaching implications
of Bill C-33 for weeks, only  to be denounced as bigoted and deluded by
Justice Minister Allan Rock. But there was Mr. Robinson, admitting that
Reform was right all along, and jubilantly shaking the hand of the bill's
sponsor, Mr. Rock.
   The Liberals rammed Bill-33 through Parliament in little more than a
week. This allowed them to avoid a public outcry similar to that suffered
by Ontario's NDP government in 1994 when it introduced its gay rights
bill During the brief Commons debate. Mr. Rock denied emphatically
that C-33 had anything to do with extending further legal privileges to
homosexuals; he insisted the bill merely protected them from
discrimination in federal-sector jobs and services. To mask his larger
agenda, Mr. Rock added a meaningless preamble to the bill endorsing,
but not defining, the family.
   On May 9, the day C-33 passed third reading, the Reform Party
revealed that hidden agenda in the House of Commons when it released
a Justice Department planning document which showed that C-33 was to 
be just the first of a series of steps granting legal entitlements, including
spousal benefits, to homosexuals. Mr. Rock's deception of the Canadian
public had been exposed, but the media weren't interested. That evening,
the national television networks continued their attempt to portray the
Reform Party as a hotbed of racism and "homophobia."
   But the ultimate implications of Bill C-33 were evident long before the
secret Justice Department document came to light. In the Supreme
Court's 1993 Mossop ruling, in which spousal benefits for homosexual
couples were at issue, Chief Justice Antonio Lamer wrote that if the
CHRA had then included "sexual orientation" as a protected category, he
might well have concluded that homosexual couples should have legal
"family status." If spouse were redefined to incorporate homosexual
unions, a minimum of 53 federal statutes will have to be altered, says 
Newton Steacy, spokesman for the Coalition  of  Concerned  Canadians, 
which ran a full page advertisement in the Globe and Mail opposing
C-33.
   Max Yalden, commissioner of the Canadian Human Rights 
Commission, has also declared that gay spousal benefits are inevitable
once the CHRA includes "sexual orientation, "an undefined term that 
could eventually cover now-criminal activity, such as pedophilia and
incest. Mr.  Yalden said  two weeks ago that the commission has more
than 100 gay rights cases on file. With C-33's passage, these cases will
begin to be heard this summer.
   Now that Parliament has given sodomy the seal of approval, 
gay-friendly MPs want to make homosexuals an even more privileged
class. One Ontario Liberal MP is drafting a private member's bill to
amend  Criminal Code Section 319 to include homosexuals as an
"identifiable group" protected from public statements that "promote
hatred." Currently, the only groups so protected are distinguished by
colour, race, religion or ethnic origin. Another proposed private member's 
bill will give same-sex relationships the same status as heterosexual
unions.
   "The Liberals were afraid to debate the real issues surrounding gay
rights because they wanted to get re-elected," says Edmonton Reform 
MP lan McClelland. "In the process, they have brought disrepute upon
Parliament and the people of Canada."

-- Peter Verburg, The Western Report May 27,1996 Page 8--

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While I don't speak for Mr. Grosvenor,
I can answer some of you're questions Mr. McVay


Question 1
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On May 13, 1996, you made the statement:
"Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder 
of unborn babies at his abortionariums." (Grosvenor,
Jews for Faggots)

Question 1 is a two-parter:
1. What proof do you offer that this doctor is Jewish?
2. What difference would it make if he were?

ECDL:
1) According to an article from Stephen J. Scheinberg he quotes
Alphonse  DeValk as attacking the Canadian Jewish News for terming
Dr. Morgentaler and his lawyer, "honourable members of the Jewish
community."  (Canadian Dimension June/July 1995 page 9-10)

2) Many Jews are involved in the Holocaust called abortion.
According to Paul Marx of the group Human Life International he
states:
"It is obvious to anyone who has studied the abortion moment in the
Western world as long as I have that a large number of Jews who are
disloyal to the teachings of Judaism more or less lead the abortion
movement." April 19,1995 Winnipeg Free Press page A4.


Question 2
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The question, Mr. "Grosvenor," is why you have lied about
B'nai Brith and others, who have not called upon the
government to "give special rights" to gays and/or
lesbians? 

ECDL:
While the B'nai Brith has not asked for 'special rights' for gays and
lesbians, Jews have helped push for the so-called 'protection' and
advancement of homosexuals. Ontario Court of Appeal Justice Rosalie
Abella, wife of the former president of the Canadian Jewish Congress
on May 25 1995 lowered the age of consent for anal sex to 14.
because the previous sodomy law had denied gay men under 18 a
"basic form of sexual expression." (Western Report June 12,1995 


>From  the Calgary Herald  February 14, 1995 pg A13
We read:

Jewish Congress, gay man allied: dismissed college employee fighting 

The Canadian Jewish Congress is placing individual human rights
above its religious beliefs to help a homosexual man in his fight against
the provincial government.
Although homosexuality is prohibited within the Jewish faith, the
Canadian Jewish Congress is to act as an intervener on behalf of
Delwin Vriend when the Alberta Court of Appeal hears an appeal
>from  the province next month.
"Beyond that personal religious belief (against homosexuality) , we all
have to take a step back and realize it is not our right to force other
people to act as we would wish ourselves to act, forcing other people
to accept our personal views," said Hal Joffe, national chairman of
community relations for the Canadian Jewish Congress.
Despite the religious difference, it's is "not a difficult issue" to support
protection of human rights on the basis of sexual orientation, and
Jewish religious leaders have been quite clear on it Joffe said....

Mr.Joffe continues..
"...It's up to our political leadership to address this issue and look at the
recommendations of the review of the Human Rights Commission and
to listen to Albertans who clearly said... the grounds for protection
should be expanded to include sexual orientation." Joffe said

We read from Jewish Post & News Wednesday May 8, 1996

CJC commends justice minister for honouring government
commitment on sexual orientation

   OTTAWA - Canadian Jewish Congress commended Justice
Minister Allan Rock for tabling Bill C-33 in the House of Commons
April 29, honouring the federal government's pledge to amend the
Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) to include sexual orientation as 
a prohibited ground of discrimination.
   "Since it took office, the Liberal government has been promising this 
amendments to the CHRA and we are very pleased that the justice
minister has fulfilled this commitment," state CJC President Goldie
Hershon, "Canadian Jewish Congress has long supported an
amendment to the CHRA to proscribe discrimination against
individuals in Canada on the basis of their sexual orientation." Noted
Hershon  "We have written to successive ministers of justice on this
fundamental matter of human rights. In fact, a CJC delegation met
with Mr. Rock in Ottawa prior to the tabling of the Bill yesterday and
conveyed the support of the organization for this amendment."
   "We have always looked to the Parliament of Canada to exercise its
jurisdiction in this matter and amend the Canadian Human Right Act
to send a clear message that discrimination due to  sexual orientation is
unacceptable in Canadian society." observed Hal Joffe. chair of CJC's
National  Community Relations Committee. "We urge all Members of
Parliament to support this Bill."--

ECDL:
As you can see Jewish groups are promoting homosexual rights. Much
against what the "Bible" they call "their's"states about homosexuality. 


Question 3
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RE: Kosher Tax.

At this time, all the information is not in, so I will not comment on.

--

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Joe Lockhart (ecdl@wpg.ramp.net) writes:

Wpg Sun:
So if a company has the program, it can tell a qualified white male
candidate to get lost and that's OK.

Mr.Stuart:
"Actually, what it means is that the entrants are graded based on
the number of applicants. If 50 white men and 10 black men apply for
1 position, a black is five times as likely to get the position as a white
is. You can still get in, but you have to be really exceptional."


Wpg Sun:
"And he adds that while job qualifications come first, "special
consideration is given to certain factors." Just another way of telling
white males they'll continue to get the short end of the stick and they
can put up or shut up."

Mr.Stuart:
"Actually, White males can now file sexism suits if they are
trounced out of employment opportunities as cashiers, etc. It's working
in our benifit too."

Wpg Sun:
"There should be no "special consideration." No "certain factors." And
 judging by their Animal Farm mentality, maybe there should be no
more human rights commissions either."

Mr.Stuart:
"Mr "Lets kill us some jews" is lecturing us on human rights. Please.

ECDL:
Mr. Stuart, could you please quote where I have said "Lets kill us
some jews," If you can I suggest you forward it to the police, as
making such a statement would be against the law. If you cannot,
(which is the case) I would suggest you apologize for lying about what
I stand for. Or are you typically just another liar?
The ECDL is vehemently anti-violent. As violence is the tool of the
enemy. For us, knowledge is power.

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Mr.Stuart:
"I find it ironic that you are anti-immigrant with the above
address."
"Europe is on a different continent. You are an immigrant."

ECDL:
My address is in Winnipeg, Winnipeg is in Canada, not in Europe.
The "Euro" means people of European descent. (IE White people)
But you knew that didn't you Mr.Stuart.



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In article <1996May29.174902.3197@wpg.ramp.net>,
Joe Lockhart (ecdl@wpg.ramp.net) whines:

"The Turner Diaries will now be sold in main-stream book
stores thank's to the dear Jewish man who wants to
'warn' America.. (and make a fast buck too)"

Mr Katz:

"Mr. Lockhart wants nothing more than to see his dear "bible" being
sold in mainstream bookstores, but he still has to put down the man
who made it possible because he is Jewish."

ECDL:
Mr. Katz, The only Bible I have is the Authorized King James Version
If you have any evidence that I consider the Turner Diaries my Bible,
could you please post it on the InterNet for the world to see?
If not you're just another liar, just like McVay.

How typical

Indeed!

Mr.Katz:

Harry Katz
An envious man frowns when his neighbor rejoices.
        -- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

ECDL:
Ah yes... The TalMud...
Is this that same book that states:
"Only Jews are human (>Only ye are designated men<).Baba Mezia
114a-114b
Also see Kerithoth 6b  under the sub-head, >Oil of Anointing< and
Berakoth 58a  in which Gentile women are designated animals
(>she-asses<).
 
"A Jew need not pay a Gentile (>Cuthean<) the wages owed him for
work." Sanhedrin 57a
 
"All Gentile children are animals." Yebamoth 98a.
"Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth."Abodah Zarah
36b .
"Gentiles prefer sex with cows." Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . 
 
"A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a
Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to
marry a Jewish priest." Yebamoth 59b 

Hmmm... Who is the real 'hater' Mr.Katz?

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Subject: Re: On Soviet Death Sentence for Anti-Semitism
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On Wed, 29 May 1996 17:41:22 GMT, Joe Lockhart 

ECDL:
"The modern liberal lie is that Jews were just another
minority that everybody hated. So how could there be laws against
anti-Semitism when the so-called power hated Jews?"

Craig Lambert:
That's a clear thought, Joe.  When did I ever say they were not laws
in the SU used to punish, at times, anti-semites?  Can you find that
for us, please?

ECDL:
What you said was an issue I was not addressing.

Craig Lambert:
By the way, guys, I'm a liberal in some areas, a moderate in most, and
can get almost medieval in some few areas.  But I'm sure calling me a
liberal is balm for your troubled minds, so please, feel free to
pigeonhole me: why should I expect discriminating thought from
racists?  Racists know how to discriminate, but they haven't a clue as
to why.

ECDL:
"Here is a quote from a book called 'The Jews'"

Craig Lambert:
"A book called 'The Jews'.   The author of this book was....?  And it
was published when?"

ECDL:
The Jews by  Chaim Bermant
1977,1978
ISBN 297-77419

ECDL:
"We all know who was in control of Russia, and Communisum
and here is an admission from one of their own."

Craig Lambert:
"Lenin, Stalin, Khruschev, Andropov, Cherneko, Gorbachov.
Just so we all know too, Joe, could you please indicate which of these
Soviet rulers were Jews?"

"The correct answer is: None of them were Jews."

ECDL:
"In the U.S. Craig, Nixon, Carter, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and now Bill Clinton are not Jewish
either. But it is irrefutable that Jews have a major influence in each of the respective
governments. The same is with the Soviet Union."

ECDL: From The Jews

"...although Jews formed less than five per cent of Russis'a
population, they formed more than fifty per cent of its
revolutionaries." 

Craig Lambert:
No, it was not nearly so high as that.  Who wrote this book, Joe?

ECDL:
If the number was not that high then how high was it Mr. Lambert?

Craig Lambert:
Here some perspective which I know Bob Whitaker and Kevin Strom will
find persuasive: after all its mighty Joe Stalin, fount of right wing
truth speaking, in 1907 writing as a correspondent  covering a party
Congress for his paper in Baku (cited in The Great Terror by Robert
Conquest, p. 65): "Somebody among the Bolsheviks remarked jokingly
that since the Mensheviks were the faction of the Jews and the
Bolsheviks that of the native Russians, it would be a good thing to
have a pogrom in the party."  Well, ha, ha!  Good old
kill-the-anti-Semites Joe Stalin, Bolshevik, makes a funny about a
pogrom, way back in 1907.  And later on, he presided over the deaths
of many of those same Jewish Mensheviks during the Terror.  What a
pip!

ECDL:
"As far as name changes that was popular, here is an example:"

"However, access has never been entirely free and they have 
had to resort to major or minor subterfuges, changing name,
faith, camouflaging antecedents to gain admission."

"Not that one could dispence with subterfuges under Communism;
Bronstein became Trotsky, Sobeisohn, Kamenev and Wallach,
Litvinov, .."

Craig Lambert:
Well, you've just shown that thanks to anti-semetic attitudes, Joos

had to change their names to disguise the fact they were Jewish in
order to join the Bolsheviks!  Clever, Joe Lockhart, you've just cast
a huge blot onto your own argument!  

ECDL:
Wrong, Jews changed their name to hid the fact that they were Jews.
Just remember Craig, before we had elevated Jews to the level
of deity, people new that some of them were rotten. That is why
history has shown, Jews have been kicked out of almost every country
they have settled.

ECDL:
Jewish revolutionaries now called "human rights' groups,
have moved from Russia and are now in Canada and America.

Craig Lambert:
Yeah, Human Rights are definitely a Jooish Plot.  Lets abolish them
and be really really white instead.

ECDL:
Are you really that obtuse?
The term 'human rights' is a subterfuge! Its a trick, its a deception.
The only 'human rights' Jews are truly concerned with is their own.
They have changed their name from Jewish-Communist to Jewish-
'Human rights' groups.

ECDL:
Here is another quote from the same book: The Jews

"...when the American Communist Party came into being it
could have effectively conducted its business in Yiddish."

ECDL:
But now to be an open Communist, is not the greatest thing for you're
immage. So they just changed their names and the names of their
groups. Same crap... different pile Mr. Lambert.

Craig Lambert:
Let's think about it.  People who are despised and hated, who have to
change their names in order to be accepted.  Do they want things to be
different?  Do you think?  Especially when there are wizards like Joe
here who say that Joos can't do anything to stop being Joos except
die.  The treatment of Jews in Russia under the Czars was often
abominable: pogroms were sometimes officially sanctioned: rioters
looting and burning and raping and killing, rampaging through Jewish
towns and quarters  at the behest of officials.  Would that turn
someone against the government?  Do you think?  Grrrrr.  Down with the
Czars!  Hoooray!
As I have mentioned elsewhere, Solzhenetsyn demonstrates that 'Black
Hundred' was a general term used in the Soviet Union for a
reactionary, a throwback to the Czars.  Black Hundreds were the groups
organized to conduct pogroms  by the Imperial government.
Anti-Semitism was something the Czars did: the idealistic plan of the
Revolution was to erase such backward vestiges of the dead past.  But
it seems that Russians, like others, have those among them who assure
themselves of who they are by who they hate no matter what the
ideology in power.


ECDL:
I don't remember having speakers on my computer, but when I
read your last diatribe, I swore I heard violin music..
"I wish I was a rich man....." Oyvay...

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How to spot a proselyte.

The proselyte is a person who is full of shame,
for crimes his parents committed his masters claim.

The proselyte is loathsome and full of self-hate,
he will call you all kinds of names, but he will seldom debate.

The proselyte is a liar but that is easy to tell.
For he spews forth his drivel, like water from a well.

He is a coward and a fool who likes to be called Sir,
But in reality, his true title is CUR!!

The guilt-ridden proselyte wants to prove he's not a racist,
just like his morals, he is totally baseless.

He has no friends but his masters and his toy,
Little does he realize, they still call him goy.

He forgets about his people, he forgets about his race,
he seldom looks in the mirror, so he won't see his twisted face.

His master pats him on the back, and throw him a crumb,
he parades all his titles, but he knows he is scum.

The proselyte will protect his master the best as he can,
while soon he may realize, he is less than a man.

___

Here is what Jesus Christ said about proselytes.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea
and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."
Matthew 23:15

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EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber) wrote:
>Every day, as j*ws die of natural causes, we are smitten with finding 
>that so many of those in the obituaries were previously listed as 
>'holocaust victims'.  Too, we have learned that living 'eyewitnesses' 
>have invented victims, from non-existant neighbors to listing their dogs 
>as missing family members. This has caused, necessarily, increased 
>interest in Revisionism, the movement to find the truth about the 
>holocaust lies. Revisionism has already enlightened many, and led to an 
>increase in anti-semitism as a backlash. Of course, those perpetrating 
>the holocaust myth typically label anyone merely seeking the truth as 
>hateful. 
>
>But we now have the numero uno rebbi of Great Britain calling for honesty,
> revisionism and reaching across the abyss to repair damage caused by the 
>holocaust lies.  Whether he is acting from frustration or from a desire 
>to quell the rising tides of anti-semitism, only he can say. That rebbi, 
>Dr. johnathan h. SACKS, in an open letter to the community, dated March 6,
> 1996, "..called for  revising the 'Six million' figure of Jews killed 
>during the  second world war."
>
>He said that it was "important to find out how many people, presumed dead,
> are still alive."  He said it was far more important to unite families 
>than to live with a FIGURE ARRIVED AT QUITE ARBITRARILY. . .  "
>
>Will wonders never cease? It will be interesting to see the reaction and 
>denials of those deeply involved in promoting the myth.
>
>
The 'open' letter is poster where?
In what paper?

Please place on the net this so-called 'open letter'

ECDL




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While I don't speak for Mr. Grosvenor,
I can answer some of you're questions Mr. McVay


Question 1
----------

On May 13, 1996, you made the statement:
"Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder 
of unborn babies at his abortionariums." (Grosvenor,
Jews for Faggots)

Question 1 is a two-parter:
1. What proof do you offer that this doctor is Jewish?
2. What difference would it make if he were?

ECDL:
1) According to an article from Stephen J. Scheinberg he quotes
Alphonse  DeValk as attacking the Canadian Jewish News for terming
Dr. Morgentaler and his lawyer, "honourable members of the Jewish
community."  (Canadian Dimension June/July 1995 page 9-10)

2) Many Jews are involved in the Holocaust called abortion.
According to Paul Marx of the group Human Life International he
states:
"It is obvious to anyone who has studied the abortion moment in the
Western world as long as I have that a large number of Jews who are
disloyal to the teachings of Judaism more or less lead the abortion
movement." April 19,1995 Winnipeg Free Press page A4.


Question 2
----------


The question, Mr. "Grosvenor," is why you have lied about
B'nai Brith and others, who have not called upon the
government to "give special rights" to gays and/or
lesbians? 

ECDL:
While the B'nai Brith has not asked for 'special rights' for gays and
lesbians, Jews have helped push for the so-called 'protection' and
advancement of homosexuals. Ontario Court of Appeal Justice Rosalie
Abella, wife of the former president of the Canadian Jewish Congress
on May 25 1995 lowered the age of consent for anal sex to 14.
because the previous sodomy law had denied gay men under 18 a
"basic form of sexual expression." (Western Report June 12,1995 


>From  the Calgary Herald  February 14, 1995 pg A13
We read:

Jewish Congress, gay man allied: dismissed college employee fighting 

The Canadian Jewish Congress is placing individual human rights
above its religious beliefs to help a homosexual man in his fight against
the provincial government.
Although homosexuality is prohibited within the Jewish faith, the
Canadian Jewish Congress is to act as an intervener on behalf of
Delwin Vriend when the Alberta Court of Appeal hears an appeal
>from  the province next month.
"Beyond that personal religious belief (against homosexuality) , we all
have to take a step back and realize it is not our right to force other
people to act as we would wish ourselves to act, forcing other people
to accept our personal views," said Hal Joffe, national chairman of
community relations for the Canadian Jewish Congress.
Despite the religious difference, it's is "not a difficult issue" to support
protection of human rights on the basis of sexual orientation, and
Jewish religious leaders have been quite clear on it Joffe said....

Mr.Joffe continues..
"...It's up to our political leadership to address this issue and look at the
recommendations of the review of the Human Rights Commission and
to listen to Albertans who clearly said... the grounds for protection
should be expanded to include sexual orientation." Joffe said

We read from Jewish Post & News Wednesday May 8, 1996

CJC commends justice minister for honouring government
commitment on sexual orientation

   OTTAWA - Canadian Jewish Congress commended Justice
Minister Allan Rock for tabling Bill C-33 in the House of Commons
April 29, honouring the federal government's pledge to amend the
Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) to include sexual orientation as 
a prohibited ground of discrimination.
   "Since it took office, the Liberal government has been promising this 
amendments to the CHRA and we are very pleased that the justice
minister has fulfilled this commitment," state CJC President Goldie
Hershon, "Canadian Jewish Congress has long supported an
amendment to the CHRA to proscribe discrimination against
individuals in Canada on the basis of their sexual orientation." Noted
Hershon  "We have written to successive ministers of justice on this
fundamental matter of human rights. In fact, a CJC delegation met
with Mr. Rock in Ottawa prior to the tabling of the Bill yesterday and
conveyed the support of the organization for this amendment."
   "We have always looked to the Parliament of Canada to exercise its
jurisdiction in this matter and amend the Canadian Human Right Act
to send a clear message that discrimination due to  sexual orientation is
unacceptable in Canadian society." observed Hal Joffe. chair of CJC's
National  Community Relations Committee. "We urge all Members of
Parliament to support this Bill."--

ECDL:
As you can see Jewish groups are promoting homosexual rights. Much
against what the "Bible" they call "their's"states about homosexuality. 


Question 3
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RE: Kosher Tax.

At this time, all the information is not in, so I will not comment on.

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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
>> In article <31B66623.418B@usaor.net>, Ian McKinney  wrote:
>> 
>>>          
>>> I'll bypass the well known fact that Karl Marx was a Jew. That 
>>> can be discovered in any library.
>> 
>> You obviously understand the word 'Jew' in a different way than many other
>> people do. Karl Marx, as the erudite postings here by Craig Lambert
>> (thanks for going to the trouble to ferret all that material out, Craig),
>> was anti-Jewish to the point of being a pathological anti-Semite.
>
>Yes, we understand "jew" to have a racial as well as a religious
>component, while you liberals stubbornly insist that it's ONLY the
>religion that makes one a "jew".  Therefore, you can stop mentioning
>Einstein as one of your own, since he wasn't a religious jew.



Les, In their own words:

From: Jewish Customs and Ceremonies
By: Ben M. Edidin
Published by: Hebrew Publishing Company
ISBN 0-88482-444-6

Ban on Intermarriage Page 64

"Jews have found during their long history that there cannot
be true companionship between husban and wife who are of
different races and religions."


ECDL:
Different races eh!!! 
Jews are a race. Their religion is Judaism.




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"Ronald C. Schoedel"  wrote:
>Jeff Brown asks me, 
>>Please supply the context that makes these statements reasonable and
>>lucid, Schoedel.
>
>What statements make those quoted-out-of-context words fairly reasonable?
>
>Perhaps replying to a deranged, perverted old Jew who said the following things,
>in his attempts to defame me.
>
>Before anyone says I was mean and nasty in saying such things, one might like
>to see what i was replying to, WHICH KENNY MCVAY HAS NOT ARCHIVED (hmmm,
>wonder why...)
>
>Brace yourselves as we enter into the mind of a sick old Jew named Rosenburg, who
>compelled me to be so mean and nasty...
>
>From the keyboard of highly-acclaimed (snicker) author, Joel Rosenburg:
>
>"Have you stopped f--king your dog yet?"  [Ron's note:  This quote was repeated approx.
>172 times over a couple months, at my best count]
>
>- - -
>
>"Now, let me explain something to you, dog-boy. You're not fooling anybody. 
>
>"When I come in and give you a hard time in your newsgroup -- and, of course, these trashie 
>newsgroups are yours, idiot -- I'm pissing in your living room, metaphorically. It's fun. It's not 
>nice, but what the heck; I don't have to be nice to nazi trailer trash, and what do I care if 
>alt.trash.white is unpleasant for its trashie clientele? 
>
>"There's not a damn thing you can do about it. Except whine. 
>
>"The smartest thing to do would be to ignore it, to put up with the humiliation of constantly being 
>asked whether or not you're f--king your dog with whatever limited dignity you can muster. I know 
>that's kind of hard for a 20-year-old dropout who thinks his CB is the BBC, but what the hell. 
>
>"But nobody ever said you were smart.
>
>"What you don't want to do is have your trashie would-be recruits come in and see you writhing and 
>moaning in your pissed-on living room. You ought to want to keep the place as clean as possible.
>
>"So, what do you do? When I piss in your living room, you proudly stand up, drop your pants, and take 
>a dump.
>
>"In your own living room.
>
>"And then you smile as you sit back down in it, as though you've gotten even with me.
>
>"So I piss some more on your furniture, and then to get even with me even more, you start rubbing 
>your own shit all over your face by forging. 
>
>"So, I put on my gloves rub it in your hair. 
>
>"(And you wonder why folks say that you can tell that your Mom's having her period because your Dad's 
>penis tastes funny . . .) 
>
>"About now, cooler heads -- Kleim's fairly slick (he's a naziboy scumbag, but he's a fairly slick 
>one) -- are probably shaking their heads at you and wondering how you think you're advancing Der 
>Cause. Hell, dollars to doughnuts Kleim's emailed his very shrewd and unintentionally honest article 
>on how to use Usenet.
>
>"And now, you've realized that not only have you been suckered -- yet again, you trashie idiot -- but 
>that if you even implicitly admit that, I'll rub your nose in it.
>
>"And you're right. You just did, and I'm going to rub your nose in it. 
>
>"So just sit there with shit on your face while I piss all over you. 
>
>"And do try to smile."
>
>- - -
>
>">>Richard Butler, and it hurts so bad when he bends me over and
>>>makes me "minister" to him."
>
>- - -
>
>"sh-t, boy, yo' mommy and yo' sister keep me far too busy..."
>
>- - -
>
>"Does yours having you holding up that little card with the numbers on it?  Or
>just bending over to be "ministered to" by Richard Butler and his sandpaper
>condom?"
>
>- - -
>
>"I think that youll find that dogf--king is not a highly regarded profession,
>Frozen Ron.  (Or that people who move to Alaska in the winter are not
>generally thought of as all-too-bright."
>
>- - -
>
>Boy, kinda gives you a new insight to the reason for my statements, does it not?
>
>As one fellow on this newsgroup said of this perverted Jew,
>
>"joel, you're a sick old pervert, but you do more for the cause of
>anti-semitism than anybody i know of."
>
>"what we all think is that a sick old pervert like you has nerve to be
>calling anybody _sleazy_."
>
>
>Okay McVay, tell the world why you failed to quote THIS information, eh?
>
>Rev. Ron Schoedel
>
>http://www.alaska.net/~schoedel
>
>
And this sick'o Rosenberg writes books for children???




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joebuck@ix.netcom.com (Charles) wrote:
>  The *point* is that Jews have the rather unique advantage of NOT
>NEEDING TO personally pay the added expenses (i.e. higher food
prices)

McOyVay:
Demonstrate that "higher food prices" result from kosher food
certification.

ECDL:
O.K. "Kosher products usually cost more than their non-Kosher
counterparts." Winnipeg Free Press June 5,1996 Page D1

>ADMITTED SALARIES OF $5,000 A DAY PER RABBI! -- TO
ENSURE THAT EVERYONE
>(WHETHER JEWISH OR NOT) PAYS THESE INCREASED
COSTS.

McVay:
Demonstrate that rabbis are paid $5000 per day. Document your
claim.

ECDL:
The Rabbinical group Orthodox Union or OU receives "several
thousand to several hundred thousand dollars a year, though the
agency declines to go into detail..." Winnipeg Free Press June 5,1996
Page D1


>  Really, I don't know how I could be more explicit than this, though
>I'm sure you'll think of some other sophistry to reply with as a
>diversion from the real issue.


McVay:
Demonstrate that the real issue is not blind hatred for Jews.

ECDL:
McVay demonstrate that you're not a lackey that on cue is skewing
the issue with his hyperbole. How typical McVay.

Can you imagine the furore all across this country, if Christians
demanded that a food manufacturer pay a Minister a fee to put a
symbol on their products and then pass on the cost to all the
population? The cry would be loud and clear.
Of course lackeys like McVay will say the corporation is not 'forced'
to let a Rabbi certify his product. The only thing that corporate
America is concerned with beside the bottom line is image. Being
some-what of a politician, CEOs and their managers know full well
to say no to a Jew is like committing political, or economical suicide. 

This is what the Bible states about fear of the Jews: 

"And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's
commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a
feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became
Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them." Esther 8:17

" The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all
the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought
their hurt: and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell
upon all people." Esther 9:2

"Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews." John
7:13

"And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but
secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away
the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave [him] leave. He came therefore,
and took the body of Jesus."  John 19:38

" Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week,
when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for
fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto
them, Peace [be] unto you."  John 20:19


>  And again, IF Jews were a numerically large percentage of the
>population, it MIGHT make sense for companies to pay rabbis
exhorbitant salaries to have all their products certified as kosher.

McVay:
Demonstrate that Jews, and only Jews, purchase kosher-certified
product. Document your claim.


ECDL:
Jews and goyim both purchase Kosher products. The only different is
that some Jews know about the Kosher scam and look for the little
symbols. If you were to ask most other people, you would find few if
any know about 'Kosher' food Tax

And yes McVay, by definition it is a TAX.

1) Taxation:
'the system of compulsory contributions, usually monetary, levied by
a government upon persons, corporations, and property, primarily for
fiscal purposes....' 
Source: Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopedia Vol 23
Page 8418

According to the definition, although the money collected is not for
the government, the cost of Kosher food is a 'compulsory
contribution.' And therefore constitutes a Tax.

Is there a 'Kosher Tax' scam?

We at the ECDL believe that there is a ongoing scam that is being
funded by 98% of the people for only 2% of the people. You are told
that the Kosher certificate will help other people like Muslims, and
non-meat eaters. The word Kosher is a Jewish term. The certificate is
given by a Jewish Rabbi and the payment is made to a Jewish agency.
So who benefits again?

Where is the ADL in all of this? The ADL in one of their press
releases stated: ADL: `PROFOUNDLY TROUBLING' RADISSON
CHARLOTTE HOTEL  PROMOTES ITSELF AS `CHRISTIAN
FAMILY RESORT'
The ADL said such a message "from a corporation which endeavours
to serve the public regardless of religious affiliation is highly
offensive."

What about all the corporations that endeavour to serve the public at
large that now have to pay money to one religion? Why is the ADL
not 'profoundly troubled' about that?

Should Christians support their own demise?

The real question is: Why should Christians be forced to support a
race/religion and a people that  promote homosexuality, abortion,
multiculturalism, all against Christian beliefs. And for the most part
without their knowledge. The gutless politicians and Ministers have
remained silent while we unknowingly sit at home and eat  food that
in part will pay for the murder of un-borne babies, support
'multiculturalism,' or support the homosexual moment. 

Is it extortion?

I can tell you with all certainty that if a man named 'Geno' came
calling for money from a manufacturer, the politicians call of 'Mafia,'
'extortion,' 'racketeering' would be loud and un-relenting. But,
because this scam is being pulled-off by God's 'chosen ones' there is
little from our politicians and nothing from the lying Christian
Ministers. 

You have a choice, some will tell you not to buy Kosher products,
but at 20,000 items (1991) what are you going to do starve?

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In article <1996Jun11.063124.398@wpg.ramp.net>, 

Joe Lockhart  wrote:

>McOyVay:
>Demonstrate that "higher food prices" result from kosher food
>certification.

>ECDL:
>O.K. "Kosher products usually cost more than their non-Kosher
>counterparts." Winnipeg Free Press June 5,1996 Page D1

McVay:
As the report "Recipe for Hate" points out, there are cases
where this is true. The mass market, however isn't likely to
be one of them, as others have already pointed out.

ECDL:
An admittion from McVay????
Well there you have it.. The ADL has spoken, it must be true.

>McVay:
>Demonstrate that rabbis are paid $5000 per day. Document your
>claim.

>ECDL:
>The Rabbinical group Orthodox Union or OU receives "several
>thousand to several hundred thousand dollars a year, though the
>agency declines to go into detail..." Winnipeg Free Press June 
>5,1996 Page D1

McVay:
You did not document the claim - in fact, you made my point. A
fee for service is paid - not a salary, paid to a single man,
for a single day's work. Thank you.

ECDL: 
Wrong, I forgot to mention that in Baltimore (where a federal judge
ruled their Kosher food law unconstutional) "...the city's employment
of a battery of rabbis." was problematic.
A 'battery' of Rabbis were being paid a wage for so-called consumer
protection against fraud. This is the same in 15 to 20 states. In fact
the city of Baltimore had the "Bureau of Kosher Meat and Food
Control." Rabbis getting paid for a days work McVay...
Where is Geno and his friends??

McVay:
>Demonstrate that the real issue is not blind hatred for Jews.

>ECDL:
>McVay demonstrate that you're not a lackey that on cue is skewing
>the issue with his hyperbole. How typical McVay.

McVay:
If, Mr. Lockhart, you wish to consider questions about
outright lies "hyperbole," I should thank you - it says
a great deal about you, and your "organization."
Asking that specious claims be documented is not hyperbole.

ECDL:
No, McVay asking a question is not hyperbole,
But your little tantrum :"Demonstrate that the real issue is not
blind hatred for Jews." Is hyperbole Mr. McVay and has
no relevance in a debate. This is a typical tactic.
When you lost an argument based on its merits, you result
to name calling. If you have a impertinent question then ask it,
otherwise keep the >whine< and cheese out of it.



ECDL:
>Can you imagine the furore all across this country, if Christians
>demanded that a food manufacturer pay a Minister a fee to put a
>symbol on their products and then pass on the cost to all the
>population? The cry would be loud and clear.

McVay:
Who is demanding? Where is the evidence that anyone is
demanding? Why are there non-kosher foods in markets?

ECDL:
>Of course lackeys like McVay will say the corporation is not
>'forced' to let a Rabbi certify his product. The only thing that
>corporate America is concerned with beside the bottom line is
>image. Being some-what of a politician, CEOs and their managers
>know full well to say no to a Jew is like committing political, or
>economical suicide. 

ECDL: 
Thank-you McVay for making my point.

McVay:
I see - so nothing that any CEO or manager says to the effect
that economy of scale - i.e. adding a potential 6-8 million
_new_ customers - offsets the already miniscule cost means a
thing to you, eh? The numbers don't mean a thing, eh?

Why is that, Mr. Lockhart?

ECDL:
If there is a need for Kosher products, then make a special product
with a clear label indicating that when you by this product - you are
contributing to the Jewish race/faith. This is why McVay you can by
many types of beer, or meat, or soap.

This so-called 6-8 million people? Whom is that? 
If  non-jews  believe that Koshe food is better for them, they
are being duped again. When asked if Kosher foods are better for you
Kosher authorities make no promises.
"We have no expertise to determine the nutritional healthiness
of food," said Rabbi Menachem Genack of the OU
Newsweek July 1, 1991

ECDL:
Note: McVay called me a liar because I deleted 6 or so words,
here McVay delets relevant Bible verses, what does that make you
McVay? A liar as well?

[non-secular material]


>McVay:
>Demonstrate that Jews, and only Jews, purchase kosher-certified
>product. Document your claim.

>ECDL:
>Jews and goyim both purchase Kosher products. The only different
>is that some Jews know about the Kosher scam and look for the
>little symbols. If you were to ask most other people, you would find
>few if any know about 'Kosher' food Tax

McVay:
Seventh Day Adventists also buy kosher. Moslems buy kosher.
Where's the scam? Most people don't know about this because no
such "tax" exists.

ECDL:
What you mean to say McVay is that 6-8 million people might
know about it, and over 300 million don't know about the added
cost of their food. Some of which goes to the people who promote
ABORTION, HOMOSEXUALITY, and MULTICULTURALISM!!!
That is where the scam is! Few people know about it. 
If they want Kosher products, let them make a Kosher version, and a
non-Kosher version, what's the problem? We have a Kosher beer and
a non-kosher beer. 

ECDL:
And yes McVay, by definition it is a TAX.

McVay:
Is it? Then the computer work I did for my clients, which
increased their market share, and cost them money, which they
passed on to you, that was a tax as well? Do you eat salmon,
Mr. Lockhart? If so, perhaps you've paid the "McVay tax" every time.

ECDL:
Lets say you did work for a company to upgrade a packing plant. You
got paid for your services. Why should you then get paid year after
year for work you did years ago? If a Rabbi inspects a plant he gets
paid. After he states it Kosher, why should he continue to get paid
over and over again? What does he do? Go to the plant and pick up a
cheque? If anybody else did the same thing you can rest assure you
would be called "Mafia."

ECDL:
>1) Taxation:
>'the system of compulsory contributions, usually monetary, levied
>by a government upon persons, corporations, and property,
>primarily for fiscal purposes....' 

>Source: Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopedia Vol 23
>Page 8418

McVay:
Government?

ECDL:
>According to the definition, although the money collected is not for
>the government, the cost of Kosher food is a 'compulsory
>contribution.' And therefore constitutes a Tax.


McVay:
In other words, even your own definition proves you are wrong,
so you chose to redefine the definition. Nice system you've
got there, Mr. Lockhart.

ECDL:
Wrong again McVay, Tax, donation, contribution, extortion,
racketeering call it what you like. name semantics won't change the
reality that people should have the right to not have to support other
religions that are contraire to theirs. GST, PST, VAT, JST, all just a
smoke-screen to change the fact that Jewish groups are paid money
for a service we don't need. (Or at least 300 million people.)
Admit it McVay, if it was the other way around, Christians were paid
money to certify food that everybody was going to eat! The Jews
would be at the helm crying for the elimination of the support of the
Christian religion. You know that is what would happen!

McVay:
Nothing is compulsory. You do not have to buy kosher products,
Mr. Lockhart.

ECDL:
And we don't have to eat either, right McVay?
20,000 item as of 1991. Where will it stop?

ECDL:
>We at the ECDL believe that there is a ongoing scam that is being
>funded by 98% of the people for only 2% of the people. You are
>told that the Kosher certificate will help other people like Muslims,
>and non-meat eaters. The word Kosher is a Jewish term. The
>certificate is given by a Jewish Rabbi and the payment is made to a
>Jewish agency. So who benefits again?

McVay:
Seventh Day Adventists, Moslems, Orthodox Jews, others who
believe certified food is healthier... i.e. a market of 6-8
million people, Mr. Lockhart.

ECDL:
Try again McVay.." When asked if Kosher foods are better for you
Kosher authorities make no promises.
"We have no expertise to determine the nutritional healthiness
of food," said Rabbi Menachem Genack of the OU
Newsweek July 1, 1991
So McVay, its all about MONEY!!! Money the Seventh Day
Adventist don't get, Money the Moslems don't get.

McVay:
Same old Klan propaganda, new name. Yawn.

ECDL:
What are you implying McVay?
You again proved my point that you just a name caller
like a child on a playground. Na na na na na na...

Such a child...

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In article <4pe2h8$j3m@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, 

joebuck@ix.netcom.com (Charles) wrote:
>  The *point* is that Jews have the rather unique advantage of NOT
>NEEDING TO personally pay the added expenses (i.e. higher food
prices)

McOyVay:
Demonstrate that "higher food prices" result from kosher food
certification.

ECDL:
O.K. "Kosher products usually cost more than their non-Kosher
counterparts." Winnipeg Free Press June 5,1996 Page D1

>ADMITTED SALARIES OF $5,000 A DAY PER RABBI! -- TO
ENSURE THAT EVERYONE
>(WHETHER JEWISH OR NOT) PAYS THESE INCREASED
COSTS.

McVay:
Demonstrate that rabbis are paid $5000 per day. Document your
claim.

ECDL:
The Rabbinical group Orthodox Union or OU receives "several
thousand to several hundred thousand dollars a year, though the
agency declines to go into detail..." Winnipeg Free Press June 5,1996
Page D1


>  Really, I don't know how I could be more explicit than this, though
>I'm sure you'll think of some other sophistry to reply with as a
>diversion from the real issue.


McVay:
Demonstrate that the real issue is not blind hatred for Jews.

ECDL:
McVay demonstrate that you're not a lackey that on cue is skewing
the issue with his hyperbole. How typical McVay.

Can you imagine the furore all across this country, if Christians
demanded that a food manufacturer pay a Minister a fee to put a
symbol on their products and then pass on the cost to all the
population? The cry would be loud and clear.
Of course lackeys like McVay will say the corporation is not 'forced'
to let a Rabbi certify his product. The only thing that corporate
America is concerned with beside the bottom line is image. Being
some-what of a politician, CEOs and their managers know full well
to say no to a Jew is like committing political, or economical suicide. 

This is what the Bible states about fear of the Jews: 

"And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's
commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a
feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became
Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them." Esther 8:17

" The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all
the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought
their hurt: and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell
upon all people." Esther 9:2

"Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews." John
7:13

"And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but
secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away
the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave [him] leave. He came therefore,
and took the body of Jesus."  John 19:38

" Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week,
when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for
fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto
them, Peace [be] unto you."  John 20:19


>  And again, IF Jews were a numerically large percentage of the
>population, it MIGHT make sense for companies to pay rabbis
exhorbitant salaries to have all their products certified as kosher.

McVay:
Demonstrate that Jews, and only Jews, purchase kosher-certified
product. Document your claim.


ECDL:
Jews and goyim both purchase Kosher products. The only different is
that some Jews know about the Kosher scam and look for the little
symbols. If you were to ask most other people, you would find few if
any know about 'Kosher' food Tax

And yes McVay, by definition it is a TAX.

1) Taxation:
'the system of compulsory contributions, usually monetary, levied by
a government upon persons, corporations, and property, primarily for
fiscal purposes....' 
Source: Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopedia Vol 23
Page 8418

According to the definition, although the money collected is not for
the government, the cost of Kosher food is a 'compulsory
contribution.' And therefore constitutes a Tax.

Is there a 'Kosher Tax' scam?

We at the ECDL believe that there is a ongoing scam that is being
funded by 98% of the people for only 2% of the people. You are told
that the Kosher certificate will help other people like Muslims, and
non-meat eaters. The word Kosher is a Jewish term. The certificate is
given by a Jewish Rabbi and the payment is made to a Jewish agency.
So who benefits again?

Where is the ADL in all of this? The ADL in one of their press
releases stated: ADL: `PROFOUNDLY TROUBLING' RADISSON
CHARLOTTE HOTEL  PROMOTES ITSELF AS `CHRISTIAN
FAMILY RESORT'
The ADL said such a message "from a corporation which endeavours
to serve the public regardless of religious affiliation is highly
offensive."

What about all the corporations that endeavour to serve the public at
large that now have to pay money to one religion? Why is the ADL
not 'profoundly troubled' about that?

Should Christians support their own demise?

The real question is: Why should Christians be forced to support a
race/religion and a people that  promote homosexuality, abortion,
multiculturalism, all against Christian beliefs. And for the most part
without their knowledge. The gutless politicians and Ministers have
remained silent while we unknowingly sit at home and eat  food that
in part will pay for the murder of un-borne babies, support
'multiculturalism,' or support the homosexual moment. 

Is it extortion?

I can tell you with all certainty that if a man named 'Geno' came
calling for money from a manufacturer, the politicians call of 'Mafia,'
'extortion,' 'racketeering' would be loud and un-relenting. But,
because this scam is being pulled-off by God's 'chosen ones' there is
little from our politicians and nothing from the lying Christian
Ministers. 

You have a choice, some will tell you not to buy Kosher products,
but at 20,000 items (1991) what are you going to do starve?

___

The Euro-Christian Defence League
P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, R3C 2H6
24 Hr Hotline (204) 775-0878

Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.pathcom.com/~freedom/ecdl/homepage.html

Or visit the Freedom Site at:
http://www.pathcom.com/~freedom/


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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
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Date: 9 Jun 1996 21:27:15 -0700
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In article <4pe2h8$j3m@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, 

joebuck@ix.netcom.com (Charles) wrote:
>  The *point* is that Jews have the rather unique advantage of NOT
>NEEDING TO personally pay the added expenses (i.e. higher food
prices)

McOyVay:
Demonstrate that "higher food prices" result from kosher food
certification.

ECDL:
O.K. "Kosher products usually cost more than their non-Kosher
counterparts." Winnipeg Free Press June 5,1996 Page D1

>ADMITTED SALARIES OF $5,000 A DAY PER RABBI! -- TO
ENSURE THAT EVERYONE
>(WHETHER JEWISH OR NOT) PAYS THESE INCREASED
COSTS.

McVay:
Demonstrate that rabbis are paid $5000 per day. Document your
claim.

ECDL:
The Rabbinical group Orthodox Union or OU receives "several
thousand to several hundred thousand dollars a year, though the
agency declines to go into detail..." Winnipeg Free Press June 5,1996
Page D1


>  Really, I don't know how I could be more explicit than this, though
>I'm sure you'll think of some other sophistry to reply with as a
>diversion from the real issue.


McVay:
Demonstrate that the real issue is not blind hatred for Jews.

ECDL:
McVay demonstrate that you're not a lackey that on cue is skewing
the issue with his hyperbole. How typical McVay.

Can you imagine the furore all across this country, if Christians
demanded that a food manufacturer pay a Minister a fee to put a
symbol on their products and then pass on the cost to all the
population? The cry would be loud and clear.
Of course lackeys like McVay will say the corporation is not 'forced'
to let a Rabbi certify his product. The only thing that corporate
America is concerned with beside the bottom line is image. Being
some-what of a politician, CEOs and their managers know full well
to say no to a Jew is like committing political, or economical suicide. 

This is what the Bible states about fear of the Jews: 

"And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's
commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a
feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became
Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them." Esther 8:17

" The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all
the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought
their hurt: and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell
upon all people." Esther 9:2

"Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews." John
7:13

"And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but
secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away
the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave [him] leave. He came therefore,
and took the body of Jesus."  John 19:38

" Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week,
when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for
fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto
them, Peace [be] unto you."  John 20:19


>  And again, IF Jews were a numerically large percentage of the
>population, it MIGHT make sense for companies to pay rabbis
exhorbitant salaries to have all their products certified as kosher.

McVay:
Demonstrate that Jews, and only Jews, purchase kosher-certified
product. Document your claim.


ECDL:
Jews and goyim both purchase Kosher products. The only different is
that some Jews know about the Kosher scam and look for the little
symbols. If you were to ask most other people, you would find few if
any know about 'Kosher' food Tax

And yes McVay, by definition it is a TAX.

1) Taxation:
'the system of compulsory contributions, usually monetary, levied by
a government upon persons, corporations, and property, primarily for
fiscal purposes....' 
Source: Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopedia Vol 23
Page 8418

According to the definition, although the money collected is not for
the government, the cost of Kosher food is a 'compulsory
contribution.' And therefore constitutes a Tax.

Is there a 'Kosher Tax' scam?

We at the ECDL believe that there is a ongoing scam that is being
funded by 98% of the people for only 2% of the people. You are told
that the Kosher certificate will help other people like Muslims, and
non-meat eaters. The word Kosher is a Jewish term. The certificate is
given by a Jewish Rabbi and the payment is made to a Jewish agency.
So who benefits again?

Where is the ADL in all of this? The ADL in one of their press
releases stated: ADL: `PROFOUNDLY TROUBLING' RADISSON
CHARLOTTE HOTEL  PROMOTES ITSELF AS `CHRISTIAN
FAMILY RESORT'
The ADL said such a message "from a corporation which endeavours
to serve the public regardless of religious affiliation is highly
offensive."

What about all the corporations that endeavour to serve the public at
large that now have to pay money to one religion? Why is the ADL
not 'profoundly troubled' about that?

Should Christians support their own demise?

The real question is: Why should Christians be forced to support a
race/religion and a people that  promote homosexuality, abortion,
multiculturalism, all against Christian beliefs. And for the most part
without their knowledge. The gutless politicians and Ministers have
remained silent while we unknowingly sit at home and eat  food that
in part will pay for the murder of un-borne babies, support
'multiculturalism,' or support the homosexual moment. 

Is it extortion?

I can tell you with all certainty that if a man named 'Geno' came
calling for money from a manufacturer, the politicians call of 'Mafia,'
'extortion,' 'racketeering' would be loud and un-relenting. But,
because this scam is being pulled-off by God's 'chosen ones' there is
little from our politicians and nothing from the lying Christian
Ministers. 

You have a choice, some will tell you not to buy Kosher products,
but at 20,000 items (1991) what are you going to do starve?

___

The Euro-Christian Defence League
P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, R3C 2H6
24 Hr Hotline (204) 775-0878

Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.pathcom.com/~freedom/ecdl/homepage.html

Or visit the Freedom Site at:
http://www.pathcom.com/~freedom/


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Feds OK gay benefits

   OTTAWA (CP) -- Homosexual couples are now eligible for the same 
federal employment benefits as heterosexual married couples under a
landmark ruling announced yesterday by the Canadian Human Rights
Commission.

   The ruling affects all employees of the federal government covering 
benefits ranging from dental payments to health-care plans to moving
expenses. But it excludes pension benefits.

   Pensions were referred to the Federal Court because they fall under
the Income Tax Act.

   'Crystal clear'

   In a unanimous decision a tribunal said it is "crystal clear" that 
denying employment benefits to a same-sex partner that would be 
given to a heterosexual partner "is discrimination on the prohibited
ground of sexual orientation."

   The ruling also ordered the government to:

   þ   Remove definitions of spouse from all collective agreements and
health plans that deny same-sex couples benefits.

   þ   Provide an inventory to the commission within 60 days of all
legislation, regulations and directives that discriminate against same-sex
couples with a plan on how they will be changed.

   Under Treasury Board guidelines common-law relationships are 
recognized after a couple lives together for one year and publicly 
represents themselves as a couple.

    The board and gay rights groups estimate providing benefits for 
same-sex couples will cost $1.2 million to $2.4 million a year in 
additional benefits for the federal government, or about one per cent of 
the total the government spends on benefits.

Winnipeg Sun Fri, June 14 1996 Page 6

--30--

Rock is now proven to be a LIAR!

Join the fight for moraliry!!

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From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Fri Jun 21 11:13:27 PDT 1996
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From: eldavo@oanet.com (El Davo)
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While I don't speak for Rev. Ron, I can address some of your
comments.

 (El Davo)
You people are amazingly pathetic. Is there something in your
childhoods that turned into such twisted idiots.

ECDL:
What makes you think that I'm a "twisted idiot?"

 (El Davo)
 You use your own propaganda to reinforce your irrational
arguements and the trash others for doing the same.

ECDL:
I document my assertions. If you're calling reputable newspapers like
the Winnipeg Free Press, Jewish Post & News, News Week, etc as
'my propaganda' you're wrong. Try again.

 (El Davo)
 Are your lives so horrid that you can't take responsibilty for the
turmoil in them?
Has anyone from any minority ever done you so much personal harm
that you feel that your hatred must include everyone of that group.

ECDL:
Document my so-called 'hated' of an entire group?

 (El Davo)
You sit here every day spewing your venomous hatred all over the
net.

ECDL:
Please list examples of my venomous hatred. The ECDL believes that
'truth' is not 'hate.' If I expose an aspect of a political issue, that is not
'hate' but truth.

 (El Davo)
 If you truly cared about your "race" you'd get off your pimpled ass
and make the world a better place.

ECDL:
That is what I'm doing. The ECDL is attempting to advert a possible
race war that would make the L.A. riots look like a church picnic.

 (El Davo)
.. And don't go on about how it would be better without me or blacks
or whatever. If all that was left in the world were pink skinned
shitheads like you, you'd all fight over who was more white.

ECDL:
It would seem that you are taking name calling lessons from Ken
McVay O.B.C. (Odour from British Colombia)

 (El Davo)
Phlegm like you produce nothing and destroy much. The world we
live in was made by people who did there own thing in spite of
others, People who persisted through roadblocks. Assholes like you
think that the best solution to a roadblock is to whine to everyone
until someone else moves it. Like the saying goes - If the only tool
you have is a hammer then all your problems look like nails. Or in
your cases - If the only brains you have are shit then all your 
problems look like asswipe.

ECDL:
If you have anything important to ad...

 (El Davo)
PS - I look like a white guy but I am definitely not, so I could get into
one of your little groups and expose it. Now wouldn't that be fun.
Deal with it!!!

ECDL:
If you infiltrated my group, you would hear a lot about the Bible and
Jesus Christ. Not much about hating groups of people. Sorry, if that
is what you think, go back to the ADL and start over.

-- 
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From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Fri Jun 21 23:08:02 PDT 1996
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>Why won't you answer the question, "Reverend":  
>
>
>Have you stopped fucking your dog yet?
>
>
>Joel Rosenberg   |  joelr@winternet.com  |  http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the 
>hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the 
>appalling silence of the good people.
>                        -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

And this sick'o Rosenberg writes books for your children??

How typical



From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Sat Jun 22 14:12:13 PDT 1996
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>In article , Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>>Why won't you answer the question, "Reverend":  
>>
>>
>>Have you stopped fucking your dog yet?
>>
>  Only a sick pervert asks such a question. I have followed your post
>for almost a year, and you seem to be much preoccupied with sick fantasies
>about the sexlife of other people. Have you ever thought about consulting
>a psychiatrist about your problem? What is the purpose of exposing yourself
>to the world? Do you get some kicks out of that?
>
>OLK 
>--

Did you know that this sick pervert writes book for children?

Over the past year, I thought Joel Rosenberg was a 15-year old kid
will an new computer. Then I went to his home page.
Not to my surprise I find him braging about the books he writes
for your kids.

How typical...




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aaronc@freenet.alberni.net (Aaron Clausen) wrote:
>ummcbrid@cc.umanitoba.ca (Stephen James Mcbride) writes:
>
>> Well Joe,  I asked you what your organization was about.  If it was just
>> anouther religious or rascist group.  Well no need to send me anything it
>> is fairly obvious I believe.
>> --
>> =============================================================================
>> Steve McBride          | Duct tape is like the force.  It has a dark side,
>> ummcbrid@cc.umanitoba.ca| And a light side, and holds the universe together.
>> =============================================================================
>
>Some explanations please:
>
>1) Why does religion and racism become equal in your mind?
>
>2) Why does an observation automatically make someone racist?  Are you afraid 
>to argue the point, and just want to devalue the person's opinion so as not to 
>actually think of an appropriate response?
>
>-----
>Aaron Clausen                           Port Alberni, BC  Canada
>aaronc@freenet.alberni.net
>
True to form Mr. Pavlov's Dog is telling you
if you're white you must be a racist.
After all there is no other kind of racist, just ask Lester
who thinks if you're Black you cannot be racist.

Such crap.





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Lester:
Notice how JL wants to talk about 'racism' instead of talking about the
institution he supports that he represents that really runs in conjunction
with other institutions that sometimes he identifies with and sometimes
pretends he does not that institution being white supremacy.

ECDL:
Lester fool the issue is racism, racism Lester not my so-called alliance
to power structure.

> If you're a woman of 'colour' you can promote racism and tell your
>fellow feminist to vote for another woman of 'colour.'

Lester:
No not quite. She endorsed another candidate as a method of fighting
racism. I think this is misquided or at the very least inadequate
but it is not racist. Thobani does not have the power to be racist;
prejudiced she can be but you would have to prove that too but given
your inablity to prove most of  your positions I am not counting on it.

ECDL:
Well Lester any credibility you had is now gone with that statement.
Are you a fool or what? Thobani does not have the power to be
racist???? Why?? Why are people of colour immune to racism
Lester?? Don't give me that crap that you must have power to be
racist.
Any definition of racism will tell you power is not in the equation.
That is like saying Lester Black people cannot have emotions because
they have no power. Such garbage, I thought you were a free thinker
and didn't spew liberal dogma???

ECDL:
> While this happens the media said little. And now the story is dead.

Lester:
Actually the media played up the hype quite a bit on this.
Compare how they gave this coverage versus the coverage they have
of  issues of racism in the police force, I would say this was the former 
story had much more coverage than warranted. And I am not a fan of
NAC. How often do they cover when someone is turned down for a
loan because there are the wrong color of skin?

ECDL:
Wrong again Lester. To this day people are still talking about poor old
Rodney King.. If racism doen't exsist the media will make it up. Why
is it Lester when a group of Native kids almost killed a White kid in
E.K with his own skate board, there was never a question of racism???
The only time the media brings up racism is when the victim is of
colour and the accused is White. Or in Toronto eveytime a Black kid is
shot by police - the fact the the person was armed means little because
the real reason why is because the police are just racist and thats that.

ECDL:
> Picture what would happen if it was a White woman who told other
> feminist the best thing to do is vote for another white women.

Lester:
they would not have to do that.

ECDL:
True, because if they did their political career would be over in a
heart-beat.

Lester:
That  has been implicit in most choices in that organization for years.

ECDL:
> The cry of 'RACISM' would be loud and unrelenting.

Lester:
That is because it would be racist and overtly so. Actually though
racism itself does not get the coverage or concern that it deserves.

ECDL:
What you mean is racism against White people doesn't get the
coverage it deservres.

ECDL:
> Are you sick of having the dung rubbed into your face people?

Lester:
Yes I am as a matter of fact. But I doubt you will do much to fight the
interests of Conrad Black or Hartley Richardson.

ECDL:
Lester I don't defend the media in this country.

Lester:
Much more likely you will encourage your friends to beat to death
some  Ethiopian immigrant who has absolutely no power.

ECDL:
Lester I would like you to clarify you last statement! You are implying
that I have had some part in an illegal activity. If you have proof you
should give it to the police, or if you're just shooting off your mouth
(like I suspect) you hade better clarify your statement!


Lester:
You and your ilk never attack power and that is why power treats you
well (just look at the case of Carney Nerland).

ECDL:
Lester, I attack power all the time. I attack the government for their
policies on immigration, multiculturalism, crime, etc. The only reason
why the government gave Carney Nerland a deal was because he was
a RAT Lester, a back-stabbing RAT!!!

ECDL:

> Are you tired of the oblivious double standard?

Lester:
Which one? The one where neo-nazis scream about immigrants are a
drain on our economy and then they turn around and take govt money
>from  CSIS.

ECDL:
You're either a fool or just a jerk Lester. You talk about the media
doing little about racism, well here you go Lester. The Heritage Front
was set-up partly by the government of Canada to cause a threat that
NEVER existed. That's right Lester if you want to blame someone for
all the so-called racism, blame the government of Canada. (And the
special intrest groups that put them up to it.)

Lester:
Or the one where neo-nazis talk about fighting the establishment
and then turn around and attack those most victimized by the
establishment.

ECDL:
And whom are you refering to? 

ECDL:
> Why is racism OK for people of 'colour?'

Lester:
People of color have no power to be racist.

ECDL:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your such a fool Lester, Just ask
the White truck driver in the middle of the L.A. riots. Ask him Lester
if Black people cannot be racist. Why did they chose him to pull out of
his truck and pummel him almost to death? They chose him because
he was WHITE Lester... Hmm.... what was that about people of
colour cannot be racist?????


Lester:
Whiteness is a condition of relative privilege; by becoming an avowed 
white supremacist one makes an alliance with those who have real
power (eg Conrad Black).

ECDL:
Lester spewed, "Whiteness is a condition of relative privilege;"
Oh so there are no Black people of privilege? For your information
Lester the richest man in the world is an Arab. What Lester is saying
when you are born the colour of your skin dictates your wealth. OK
we understand...

Are you saying Conrad Black is a 'White supremacist?' I hope you are
taking your medicine like a good boy Lester.
Who is the 'White supremacist?' If you're refering to me, I would like
you to 'document your assurtions' in other words Lester, prove I'm a
'White supremacist?'

ECDL:
> Join the fight for morality

Lester:
Morality?  Really? Tell us all Joe about the morality of Carney
Nerland. I am pretty sure that you are going to delete this last bit.

ECDL:
And you say you're not prejudice Lester? Well you sure are because
you have pre-judge my answer. But for the record you are wrong
again Lester, Carney Nerland is a COWARD!! A coward who shot an
unarmed man in the BACK! If got life I would not shed a tear.
Because he only got 4 years (and is in hiding thanks to the RCMP) you
should bring it up with CSIS, not with me.

Does the ECDL fight for White-Christian people? Yes we do.
Are we proud of it?  No, we're DAME proud of it!!!

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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>In article <1996Jun24.210829.3732@wpg.ramp.net>, 
>Joe Lockhart  wrote:
>
>>You're either a fool or just a jerk Lester. You talk about the media
>>doing little about racism, well here you go Lester. The Heritage Front
>>was set-up partly by the government of Canada to cause a threat that
>>NEVER existed. That's right Lester if you want to blame someone for
>>all the so-called racism, blame the government of Canada. (And the
>>special intrest groups that put them up to it.)
>
>The Heritage Front was the brainchild of Wolfgang "Let's steal
>Dominica" Droege. Its history is well documented. 
>
>According to SIRC, there was no evidence that the government,
>through Bristow (or anyone else) poured large sums of money
>into the HF, rattlings from Canadian Nazis notwithstanding.

Ha Ha... McOyVay thou fool..

The SIRC report is full of crap and you know it.

Bristow helped start the Heritage Front with government money.
The idea was Droeges no doubt, but the money came from Bristow
and the tax-payers of Canada.

Let's make a threat where none exsisted.

ECDL




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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>In article <1996Jun27.051346.19021@wpg.ramp.net>, Joe Lockhart wrote:
>
>>The SIRC report is full of crap and you know it.
>
>No, Mr. Lockhart, I do not "know it." I know that you keep
>saying that, as does Mr. Zundel, and I know you provide no
>proof for your allegation, and I know how extensive the SIRC
>hearings - and subsequent report - were.
>
>>Bristow helped start the Heritage Front with government money.
>>The idea was Droeges no doubt, but the money came from Bristow
>>and the tax-payers of Canada.
>
>No, he did not. Droege started the HF as an offshoot of the
>Nationalist Party (NPOC) of Canada... perhaps he believed he'd
>been set up on his Lybian misadventure, perhaps not, but
>that's when it began. If Mr. Droege received any serious money
>from a government, it was the Lybian government, not ours.
>
>Proof - PROOF, Mr. Lockhart - you don't have it because it
>didn't happen the way Zundel's spin-doctor says it did. 
>
>>Let's make a threat where none exsisted.
>
>Nice story, Mr. Lockhart - no substance, of course, but nice
>story.
>
You want proof??

http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/ztu/000.toc.ztu.html



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Joe Lockhart  wrote:
>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>>In article <1996Jun27.051346.19021@wpg.ramp.net>, Joe Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>>The SIRC report is full of crap and you know it.
>>
>>No, Mr. Lockhart, I do not "know it." I know that you keep
>>saying that, as does Mr. Zundel, and I know you provide no
>>proof for your allegation, and I know how extensive the SIRC
>>hearings - and subsequent report - were.
>>
>>>Bristow helped start the Heritage Front with government money.
>>>The idea was Droeges no doubt, but the money came from Bristow
>>>and the tax-payers of Canada.
>>
>>No, he did not. Droege started the HF as an offshoot of the
>>Nationalist Party (NPOC) of Canada... perhaps he believed he'd
>>been set up on his Lybian misadventure, perhaps not, but
>>that's when it began. If Mr. Droege received any serious money
>>from a government, it was the Lybian government, not ours.
>>
>>Proof - PROOF, Mr. Lockhart - you don't have it because it
>>didn't happen the way Zundel's spin-doctor says it did. 
>>
>>>Let's make a threat where none exsisted.
>>
>>Nice story, Mr. Lockhart - no substance, of course, but nice
>>story.
>>
>You want proof??
>
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/ztu/000.toc.ztu.html
>
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/ZUT/000.TOC.ZTU.html

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