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From: Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Dealing with Holocaust Denial
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100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik) wrote:

*kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
*
*>Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:
*
*A minor addition:
*
*>>1)  Jean-Clause Pressac, a French provicial pharamicist was hired by
*>>the Karsfeld Foundation, professional Nazi-hunters to write the
*>>definative refutation of Revisionism. 
*
*0) Jean-Claude Pressac, a French provincial pharmacist was a student
*of Faurisson. Faurisson sent him to Birkenau to definitively prove
*that no gassing could have occured. Once there, Pressac had to
*conclude that on the contrary, gassings occured.
*
*0a) Faurisson made an error. A French pharmacist didn't need
*Faurisson's money, and was free of speech..
*
*1a) where did you see that Pressac was hired by Klarsfeld ? Klarsfeld
*published some of his books, but I doubt that one or two thousands of
*books made him wealthy. Once again, a French pharmacist is generally
*well-off.
*
*>>M. Pressac ended up with his
*>>foot in his mouth! 
*
*I suppose Mr Ursus wanted to say "Mr Faurisson ended up with..".
*Faurisson said that Pressac was a nasty disciple.
*
*
*
Does one SERIOUSLY believe that the Karsfeld's would have hired (or
even published) Pressac's books, unless they fully endorced the
contents? Yet, Pressac's "scientific" evaluation of The Holocaust(tm),
has been revised by HIM, virtually out of existence.

Finally, when confronted with evidence he simply could NOT explain
away, Pressac came up with his (immortal?) dictum: "Well, I may not
know how IT [The Holocaust(tm)] took place; but I just know it HAD to
take happened!"

Perhaps they should mount that in their "Museum"! It's on a par with
the Lipstadt quote which greets one, who comes aknocking on Nizkor's
door, that Reason alone will not protect the Truth.

Ya gotta BELIEVE, Baby, BELIEVE!!!

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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From: Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major)
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Chuck Ferree  wrote:


*> MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
*>       "Ursus Major"
*
*In Latin, this means no shit, pal!


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Your ignorance of Latin is as  buffonish as your bustering, Venerable
One. The Latin means,

	MANY PEOPLES, ONE STOCK/ESSENCE/RACE

There no real translations for >stirpes< (alt: "stirps"), which is why
it has been taken into the English language in its Latin form, both in
scientific and legal use. Which is why it is the perfect signature for
alt.politics.nationalism.white. Many different peoples, but one primal
essence or stock.

But what would a senile blusterer like you know about it? Why don't
you stop bankrupting the various pension schemes and do the decent
thing -- like die?

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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From: Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major)
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and tell him!
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Dene Bebbington  wrote:

*Kurt Stele  wrote:
*>Dene Bebbington  wrote:
*>
*>>Hmmmm, maybe we should give any adherents of Nazism, Fascism or any
*>>other system that would not provide free speech and democratic rights a
*>>taste of their own medicine by preventing their free speech and rights,
*>>since if that is the kind of system they want then they should feel
*>>comfortable with it. Oh but I forgot, they [Nazis/Fascists] want someone
*>>else to have the right to free speech removed, not them!
*>
*>What are you talking about Hypocrite-Man?
*
*Well Pillock-Man, quite obvious really. People who support Fascism
*would, if they had an opportunity, have a system that would severely
*curtail (that's euphemism btw Kurt) free speech and individual rights.
*If this is the type of system they advocate then I suggest they
*shouldn't have any problem with these limits on free speech.
*
*>  Germans don't have rights to choose 
*>their own
*>form of government, except the ones that are "correct" to choose.
*
*To some extent probably true.
*
*>  They don't have the
*>freedom to express doubt about that patently fabricated piece of shit
*>known as the "Holocaust".
*
*Only a small bunch of people who usually seem to be sympathetic to some
*form of Fascism deny the historical truth of the Holocaust.
*
*Consider a particularly powerful extract from Primo Levi's "If This is a
*Man":
*
*"All took leave from life in the manner which most suited them. Some
*praying, some deliberately drunk, others lustfully intoxicated for the
*last time. But the mothers stayed up to prepare the food for the journey
*with tender care, and washed their children and packed the luggage; and
*at dawn the barbed wire was full of children's washing hung out to dry.
*Nor did they forget the diapers, the toys, the cushions and the hundred
*other small things which mothers remember and which children always
*need. Would you not do the same? If you and your child were going to be
*killed tomorrow, would you not give him to eat today?"
*
*And compare it to Kurt's ever so touching concern for those poor crypto-
*fascist Holocaust deniers.
*
*>  And all this takes place in "democratic" (sic) Germany.  
*>Democracy, my ass.
*
*What about your ass?!
*
*>There is no need to contemplate denying them free speech rights -- it's
*>already been DONE
*
*Yes, we've established that already.
*
*>  YOU are the one who said "well, I'm not sure if we should throw 
*>revisionists in jail or not."
*
*Yes, we've established that already.
*
*>  You can't even decide whether or not it's OK to imprison 
*>revisionists for their doubts,
*
*Yes, we've established that already.
*
*> jerk-off.
*
*I wondered how long it would take for the personal abuse to start.
*
*>  Obviously, the current puppet-regime
*
*Oh, don't tell me, Jews are the puppet masters?!
*
*> which throws 
*>Lie doubters into prison and exterminationists like yourself who
*>pretend to be morally superior than Nazis are double-standard prigs and
*>moral poseurs.
*
*If we're comparing my moral values to the Nazi's who started a major
*land war in Europe, took heed of a pompous little cretin called Hitler,
*and systematically dehumanised and killed people on the basis of their
*cultural background then I would certainly consider my morals to be
*somewhat better.
*
*Oh dear, prigs and moral posuers, is this the most imaginative ad
*hominem you can come up with?
*
*BTW: I am the only one wondering if the rather Giweresque nature of Kurt
*Stele's postings is only coincidence?
*
*--
*Dene Bebbington

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Forget about "debating" with Bebbington. He makes The Mad Hatter's Tea
Party look like a couse in logical-positivism. His was awarded the
Lipstadt Medal (2nd Class) for never deviating from Holo-Dogma. He can
critique the David Cole video, without ever seeing it! He can--and
does--place "full faith and confidence" in testamony so corrupt, the
Israeli Supreme Court threw it out.

He's a Tarantula: a Holo-hugger Goodthinker, who out Orwells Orwell.

While the ZBR in Bonn may be turning handsprings trying to keep
Revisionist evidence out of German hands, Ernst Zundel will be broad-
casting OVER THE RUSSIAN STATE RADIO in occupied Koenigs-
berg (Kaliningrad), on a weekly basis. And so the Germans are once
again forced to take their radios down to the basement in order to
listen to the Truth, lest the Holo-Gestapo find out.

Yes, the RUSSIAN STATE RADIO is providing Ernst Zundel with the
facilities to broadcast all over Europe. (Of course, this should NOT
be construed that the Yeltsin regime is staffed by "Deniers" --
should it?)

The world is on to your Goodthink, Bebbinton. Now run along and spin
more cocoons. A Certified Tarantula has no other >raison d'etre<.

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From Ursus@sure.net Sun Oct 20 14:30:38 PDT 1996
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From: Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major)
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"Alan J. Packer"  wrote:

*In article <326ade8e.2935246@news.sure.net>, Ursus Major
* writes
*>WHY DON'T THE TWO OF YOU STOP WANKING AND SAY WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN:
*>
*>       "RACIST" = ARYAN HERETIC (a.k.a. Doubleplusungoodcrimethinker)!
*It's amazing how long it has taken for these messages to reach a.p.n.w
*Maybe it has been on their newsreaders for days but they've only just
*realised how to access it.  The link between IQ and racist thinking is
*long proved to be one of the problems; ill education breeds racism. the
*lack of the ability or will to understand those outside your peer group.
*Hence, the inbreeding of bad family/peer values + bad genes = racism.
*Mental illness was a strong part of the original post and people are
*beginning to see the point here.  It is reflected not only in the racist
*attitudes but in the predisposition to crime and other antisocial
*behaviour.  Racism is just one of their problems.
*
*-- 
*Alan J. Packer.
*
*Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


	>Toerricht auf Besserung der Toren zu harren!
	O, Kinder der Klugheit, habet die Narren,
	Eben zu Narren auch, wie sich's gehoert!<

		-- J. W. v. Goethe, >Koptisches Lied I

	("What folly to await the betterment of fools!
	O, Children of Wisdom, treat these fools as
	fools--it's what they deserve!"

	J.W. v. Goethe, "Coptic Song I)

Not merely a  wanker -- but a pedantic BORING wanker!

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From Ursus@sure.net Tue Oct 22 23:19:08 PDT 1996
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From: Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major)
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quantum@crosslink.net (Joe Frisch) wrote:

*From Joe Frisch at Quantum-this is one of our rare ab initio posts--
*and to precisely 2 groups.
*(1) Calif. is about to cut all prenatal services to
*pregnant wetbacks (illegal immigrants), as permitted
*by the bill signed recently by Clinton.The ACLU
*& Hispanics are suing, saying that this will result in
*generations of mentally deficient, subnormal babies -(one
*could say, how can ..... No.)
*(2) Police and Fire providing services to wetbacks
*are ordered to turn them in. This contrasts with Boston where
*police are *ordered* not to harass Irish wetbacks. (Others I dont know
*about)
*Calif Gov. Allen says - "these actions were authorized by
*Congress, signed by Clinton,  and endorsed by over 80% of
*Calif voters - can anyone claim  that they are all part of
*a vicious conspiracy victimizing certain races for
*political ends?"

I have a better idea: kick every pregnant >chicana< sow in the gut!!
SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:

*Ursus Major (Ursus@sure.net) wrote:
*: quantum@crosslink.net (Joe Frisch) wrote:
*
*: *From Joe Frisch at Quantum-this is one of our rare ab initio posts--
*: *and to precisely 2 groups.
*: *(1) Calif. is about to cut all prenatal services to
*: *pregnant wetbacks (illegal immigrants), as permitted
*: *by the bill signed recently by Clinton.The ACLU
*: *& Hispanics are suing, saying that this will result in
*: *generations of mentally deficient, subnormal babies -(one
*: *could say, how can ..... No.)
*: *(2) Police and Fire providing services to wetbacks
*: *are ordered to turn them in. This contrasts with Boston where
*: *police are *ordered* not to harass Irish wetbacks. (Others I dont know
*: *about)
*: *Calif Gov. Allen says - "these actions were authorized by
*: *Congress, signed by Clinton,  and endorsed by over 80% of
*: *Calif voters - can anyone claim  that they are all part of
*: *a vicious conspiracy victimizing certain races for
*: *political ends?"
*
*: I have a better idea: kick every pregnant >chicana< sow in the gut!!
*: SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
*:         "Ursus Major"
*
*
*Now that's a really civilised attitude. For some reason no one tried
*it on your mother.
*
*
She paid her own way. My parents being divorced when I was two, I was
a latch-key kid before the term was coined. I've never met a more
self-reliant person than my late mother. "Better to die taking care of
yourself than as a burden to others!" was one of her maxims; and
that's exactly what happened: she had a heart attack while making her
bed. Self reliance: that's why the Americas speak EUROPEAN languages,
and not the other way around.


SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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From: Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major)
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Subject: Re: Real Aryans DEFENDED Jews.
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sschultz@pond.com (Schultzie) wrote:

*I am confused.  Who are the whitest of the white?  Danes? Swedes?  Of
*Course, the Scandinavians. 
*
*Didn't they defend the Jews from the NAZI's?
*
*I am very confused about this.
*
Well, young Danes and Norweigians volunteered in sufficient numbers to
form a whole Division of the Waffen-SS, called the >Wikinger Division<
(Wiking = Viking). They were badly shot up, try to save Europe from
Stalin's mongols, and then shamelessly betrayed by the Allegemeine-SS
(who made up the staff positions).

Mere hours before the Americans reached Dachau, the Allegemeine-SS
pulled its cronies off guard duty and ordered a tattered unit of the
Wikiger Division to take over. When the Americans arrived, they
surrendered without offering any resistance. And what happened? The
American commander ordered them all stood up against the wall and
machine-gunned! (So much for the Geneva Convention and all that!) THE
U.S. ARMY PHOTOGRAPHED THE WHOLE PROCESS: OUTRIGHT MURDER.

Was the U.S. Commander ever charged for a war-crime, an atrocity ON
FILM! Come on, only the losers commit war-crimes--NEVER THE VICTORS!

VICTORY IS >IPSO FACTO< A GENERAL AMNESTY!

It's always the 18-year-old kid, with a letter to his mom in Oslo, who
takes the bullet in the back.

(Does Nizkor post this photographic evidence of an atrocity being
commiited? Come on! You should know what that sinkhole of Disinfor-
mation is all about by now.)

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"



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