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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg still flogging that crap?
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In article <687356$501$1@news.trends.ca>, Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
>Is Mr. Kreiberg still trying to peddle that crap about National
>Socialism being a purely German phenomenon, one that was not intended
>for export? 

Hitler said so several times. In his last speech in 1945 he said:

"Der Nationalsozialismus kennt nur das Deutschtum, und ihn interessiert
sonst nichts auf der Welt.

... Die nationalsozialistische Lehre ist, und ich habe das immer wieder
betont, keine Exportware. Sie ist nur fuer das deutsche Volk geschaffen."

 [The ravings of some journalist snipped]

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Ole antwortet nie auf dieses Argument. Warum?II
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In article <68i9d2$c14$1@news02.btx.dtag.de>, Klaus Günther Beck wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>>  Beweisst 56.000 Zahnprotesen und 10.000 Brillen, dass 1 million Menschen
>> vergasst wurden?
>
>Nein, sie beweisen, daß mindestens 56.000 in diesem Fall getötet wurden.

 Getoetet? Sie beweisen nur, dass sie gestorben sind. Sie beweissen nichts
von der Todesursach. Zahnprotesen werden meistens von alten Menshen
angewannt, und bei alten Leute sterben viel mehr aus natuerlichen Ursachen
als unter juengere Leute. 


--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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In article <68i9d2$c14$1@news02.btx.dtag.de>, Klaus Günther Beck wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>>  Beweisst 56.000 Zahnprotesen und 10.000 Brillen, dass 1 million Menschen
>> vergasst wurden?
>
>Nein, sie beweisen, daß mindestens 56.000 in diesem Fall getötet wurden.

 Getoetet? Sie beweisen nur, dass sie gestorben sind. Sie beweissen nichts
von der Todesursach. Zahnprotesen werden meistens von alten Menshen
angewannt, und bei alten Leute sterben viel mehr aus natuerlichen Ursachen
als unter juengere Leute. 


--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Meine Mutter war in Ravensbrueck
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg (olk@patriot.dk) wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:04:41 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>> wrote:
>
>> >furnace-capacity.jpg
>> >Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, 
>> >stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can 
>> >cremate 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours.
>>
>> This figure is utterly unrealistic. It still takes more than an hour
>> to cremate a body  in a modern oven, and it took longer time in the
>> ovens used in the 40ies.
>
>Which is simply false. Neither it does take more than an hour to cremate a
>body nowadays, not took it in the 40's. 

Look it up it any encyclopedia and you will find that it takes 75 minutes
to cremate a body and 15 minutes more for the coffin. Do it, instead of
making a fool of yourself.

>
>Usually "revisionists" say that nowdays it takes up to an hour to cremate
>a single body in "modern crematories".

 Why do just call up the nearest crematoria and ask how long time it takes.

>Thus Ole exceeds them. However,
>revisionists are false by not taking into account, that nowadays corpses
>are burnt single (not so in KZ-ovens) together with a coffin (not so in
>KZ-ovens) and bodies cremated are of more weight than those of KZ-victims.
>Each of this does corrupt their comparison.

 Most of those Jews supposed to have been killed and cremated came directly
>from  their homes to the camps and had the same weight as all other citizens. 

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg (olk@patriot.dk) wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:04:41 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>> wrote:
>
>> >furnace-capacity.jpg
>> >Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, 
>> >stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can 
>> >cremate 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours.
>>
>> This figure is utterly unrealistic. It still takes more than an hour
>> to cremate a body  in a modern oven, and it took longer time in the
>> ovens used in the 40ies.
>
>Which is simply false. Neither it does take more than an hour to cremate a
>body nowadays, not took it in the 40's. 

Look it up it any encyclopedia and you will find that it takes 75 minutes
to cremate a body and 15 minutes more for the coffin. Do it, instead of
making a fool of yourself.

>
>Usually "revisionists" say that nowdays it takes up to an hour to cremate
>a single body in "modern crematories".

 Why do just call up the nearest crematoria and ask how long time it takes.

>Thus Ole exceeds them. However,
>revisionists are false by not taking into account, that nowadays corpses
>are burnt single (not so in KZ-ovens) together with a coffin (not so in
>KZ-ovens) and bodies cremated are of more weight than those of KZ-victims.
>Each of this does corrupt their comparison.

 Most of those Jews supposed to have been killed and cremated came directly
>from  their homes to the camps and had the same weight as all other citizens. 

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> Look it up it any encyclopedia and you will find that it takes 75 minutes
>> to cremate a body and 15 minutes more for the coffin.
>
>What encyclopedia you have ?
>
 I have checked it in Encyclopedia Britanica and the (Danish) Gyldendals
Tibinds Leksikon. I have also checked it with Danish Crematoria operators.
Why don't you check it yourself?

>
>>  Why do just call up the nearest crematoria and ask how long time it takes.
>
>By far shorter than 90 minutes. 

 Then you have not yet called. Do it on monday when the crematoria start
working again.

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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On 6 Jan 1998 19:39:51 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> On 4 Jan 1998 13:26:49 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
>> Günther Beck) wrote:
>> >>  The rampant typhoid epidemics were brought under control. In 1944
>> >> only one crematoria with 15 ovens were operating according to
>> >> witnesses.
>> >
>> >Could you give a reference for this claim?
>> 
>> I do not have the book here, but I can get it in a few days.
>
>Please do so.

 Well this is based on preserved documents from the Bauleitung of Auschwitz.
Here you can find information on how many days the different krematoria were
in use.

Krema II   (15 ovens) operated  in 509 days.
Krema III (15 ovens) operated  in 462 days
Krema IV (8 ovens  ) operated  in   50  days
Krema V  (8 ovens  ) operated  in 309 days

These crematoria were all in Birkenau.

You can find the original documents in Moscow or on microfilm in the
holocaust museum in Washington.  At maximum capaciy these ovens together
with Krema I (8 ovens) in Auschwitz  would have been able to cremate
162,000 bodies all together during the period.



--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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On 6 Jan 1998 19:30:45 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>
>> Therefore it is easy to
>> win a case of being slandered by being called a nazi. You will need
>> very strong evidence to prove that allegation. Remember that the
>> resistence that fought the German occupation during WW2 did so, if
>> they were not communists, most often out of patriotic reasons.
>> Remember that in Denmark nationalism and democracy came together.
>> Those who wrote the Danish constitution, called themselves National
>> Liberals and were both democrats and nationalists. Remember as soon as
>> they were about to come into power, war broke out with the Germans in
>> 1848. There is not such a thing as an authoritarian and fascistlike
>> nationalism in Denmark.
>
>Mmh, you really sound like this anyway.

Why would  I be authoritarian just because I am against
the immigration from the third world and the multiehnic society? I can see
no connexion here.

>
>> Nazism was regarded an alien import which did
>> not fit in here and the few followers of this ideology were during the
>> German occupation regarded as traitors and Krautlovers and certainly
>> not fatherlandloving patriots. After the war and until today no one
>> except a few nutters on the extreme left wing and the some of the
>> Danish Jews take them seriously.  Remember Germany is the ancient old
>> heriditary enemy.
>
>Says who? According to what?

I thought you were a historian. Have you never heard about the wars of
1848-51 and 1864 or the many wars between Denmark and the North German
States in the Middle ages. Before that the Saxons were regarded a major
enemy.
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> Look it up it any encyclopedia and you will find that it takes 75 minutes
>> to cremate a body and 15 minutes more for the coffin.
>
>What encyclopedia you have ?
>
 I have checked it in Encyclopedia Britanica and the (Danish) Gyldendals
Tibinds Leksikon. I have also checked it with Danish Crematoria operators.
Why don't you check it yourself?

>
>>  Why do just call up the nearest crematoria and ask how long time it takes.
>
>By far shorter than 90 minutes. 

 Then you have not yet called. Do it on monday when the crematoria start
working again.

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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On 6 Jan 1998 19:39:51 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> On 4 Jan 1998 13:26:49 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
>> Günther Beck) wrote:
>> >>  The rampant typhoid epidemics were brought under control. In 1944
>> >> only one crematoria with 15 ovens were operating according to
>> >> witnesses.
>> >
>> >Could you give a reference for this claim?
>> 
>> I do not have the book here, but I can get it in a few days.
>
>Please do so.

 Well this is based on preserved documents from the Bauleitung of Auschwitz.
Here you can find information on how many days the different krematoria were
in use.

Krema II   (15 ovens) operated  in 509 days.
Krema III (15 ovens) operated  in 462 days
Krema IV (8 ovens  ) operated  in   50  days
Krema V  (8 ovens  ) operated  in 309 days

These crematoria were all in Birkenau.

You can find the original documents in Moscow or on microfilm in the
holocaust museum in Washington.  At maximum capaciy these ovens together
with Krema I (8 ovens) in Auschwitz  would have been able to cremate
162,000 bodies all together during the period.



--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: What are you raving about Klaus Beck?
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On 6 Jan 1998 19:30:45 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>
>> Therefore it is easy to
>> win a case of being slandered by being called a nazi. You will need
>> very strong evidence to prove that allegation. Remember that the
>> resistence that fought the German occupation during WW2 did so, if
>> they were not communists, most often out of patriotic reasons.
>> Remember that in Denmark nationalism and democracy came together.
>> Those who wrote the Danish constitution, called themselves National
>> Liberals and were both democrats and nationalists. Remember as soon as
>> they were about to come into power, war broke out with the Germans in
>> 1848. There is not such a thing as an authoritarian and fascistlike
>> nationalism in Denmark.
>
>Mmh, you really sound like this anyway.

Why would  I be authoritarian just because I am against
the immigration from the third world and the multiehnic society? I can see
no connexion here.

>
>> Nazism was regarded an alien import which did
>> not fit in here and the few followers of this ideology were during the
>> German occupation regarded as traitors and Krautlovers and certainly
>> not fatherlandloving patriots. After the war and until today no one
>> except a few nutters on the extreme left wing and the some of the
>> Danish Jews take them seriously.  Remember Germany is the ancient old
>> heriditary enemy.
>
>Says who? According to what?

I thought you were a historian. Have you never heard about the wars of
1848-51 and 1864 or the many wars between Denmark and the North German
States in the Middle ages. Before that the Saxons were regarded a major
enemy.
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@patriot.dk Wed Jan 14 06:05:26 EST 1998
Article: 159610 of alt.revisionism
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Thanks to Adolf Hitler for Auschwitz [Danish NationalSocialist Alert] (fwd)
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On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:54:04 -0500, Anonymous
 wrote:

>Please note that I am a United States citizen living in Miami, Florida.
>I was born in Denmaqk and post the following alert on behalf on
>a Danish National Socialist organization. 
>
[snip]

 Nice troll. Is this  made by an antiracist agent provocateur?

---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


From olk@patriot.dk Wed Jan 14 06:05:26 EST 1998
Article: 159611 of alt.revisionism
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Thanks to Adolf Hitler for Auschwitz [Danish NationalSocialist Alert] (fwd)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:37:33 GMT
Reply-To: olk@patriot.dk
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On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:54:04 -0500, Anonymous
 wrote:

>Mange mener, at det Adolf Hitler gjorde eller ikke gjorde med
>joederne var forkert.
>Men saadan ser jeg ikke paa det.
>Adolf Hitler udryddede seks millioner joeder.

A true neo-nazi would always dispute that Hitler exterminated 6
million Jews and claim that the nazis were treating the Jews correctly
and decently during WW2, and that all the horrors in the establised
historiography are really nothing else than propaganda of the their
enemies.  

Danish version:

  En rigtig nazist vil altid betvivle påstanden, om at Hitler skulle
have udryddet 6 millioner jøder. Alle rædselsberetningerne ville ægte
nynazister regne for allieret eller anden fjendtlig skrækpropaganda.

>Det var ikke seks millioner forbrydelser men derimod seks
>millioner gode gerninger.
>En dag vil komme, hvor den hvide race er klar til at rive den
>joediske orm ud af vores sjael.

>Tak til Adolf Hitler for Auschwitz. 
>Indvandring af muslimer ville vaere god, hvis joeder og muslimer
>ville slagte hinanden.
>
>Dette er sendt igennem en remailer i USA og i kan derfor godt
>undlade at sende nogle klager til Postmaster.
>Det er lovligt i USA, dansk lov gaelder ikke.
>
You have made this troll because you want to "prove" to the
legislators how "hate-speech" is fourishing on the internet.


Danish Version:

Denne antiracistiske provokation er lavet for at manipulere lovgiverne
til at stramme lovgivningen mod racehadske ytringer. Jeg har aldrig
hørt en ægte nynazist acceptere myten om de 6 millioner gassede jøder.


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


From olk@patriot.dk Wed Jan 14 06:05:26 EST 1998
Article: 159612 of alt.revisionism
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Meine Mutter war in Ravensbrueck
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:54:35 GMT
Reply-To: olk@patriot.dk
Message-ID: <34b73741.1474848@news.image.dk>
References: <3490566F.1657@smartt.net> <349a7dd5.2849552@news.zfn.uni-bremen.de>   <349e3049.2212279@news.image.dk> <67m9sl$5jt$2@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> <349ede99.6465184@news.image.dk>  <34a76b6f.3704336@news.image.dk>  <34ad609f.9095015@news.image.dk>  <34af6612.1543295@news.image.dk> <68o2mp$95s$10@news00.btx.dtag.de> <34afb895.2606611@news.image.dk> <68u1a7$5em$3@news00.btx.dtag.de>
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On 6 Jan 1998 19:39:51 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> On 4 Jan 1998 13:26:49 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
>> Günther Beck) wrote:
>> >>  The rampant typhoid epidemics were brought under control. In 1944
>> >> only one crematoria with 15 ovens were operating according to
>> >> witnesses.
>> >
>> >Could you give a reference for this claim?
>> 
>> I do not have the book here, but I can get it in a few days.
>
>Please do so.

 Well this is based on preserved documents from the Bauleitung of
Auschwitz. Here you can find information on how many days
the different krematoria were in use. 

Krema II   (15 ovens) operated  in 509 days.
Krema III (15 ovens) operated  in 462 days
Krema IV (8 ovens  ) operated  in   50  days
Krema V  (8 ovens  ) operated  in 309 days

These crematoria were all in Birkenau.

You can find the original documents in Moscow or on microfilm in the
holocaust museum in Washington.  At maximum capaciy these ovens
together with Krema I  in Auschwitz  would have been able to cremate
162,000 bodies all together during the period. 



---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


From olk@patriot.dk Wed Jan 14 06:05:26 EST 1998
Article: 159613 of alt.revisionism
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: What are you raving about Klaus Beck?
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:54:15 GMT
Reply-To: olk@patriot.dk
Message-ID: <34b73728.1449609@news.image.dk>
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On 6 Jan 1998 19:30:45 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>
>> Therefore it is easy to
>> win a case of being slandered by being called a nazi. You will need
>> very strong evidence to prove that allegation. Remember that the
>> resistence that fought the German occupation during WW2 did so, if
>> they were not communists, most often out of patriotic reasons.
>> Remember that in Denmark nationalism and democracy came together.
>> Those who wrote the Danish constitution, called themselves National
>> Liberals and were both democrats and nationalists. Remember as soon as
>> they were about to come into power, war broke out with the Germans in
>> 1848. There is not such a thing as an authoritarian and fascistlike
>> nationalism in Denmark.
>
>Mmh, you really sound like this anyway.

Why would  I be authoritarian just because I am against
the immigration from the third world and the multiehnic society? I can
see no connexion here.

>
>> Nazism was regarded an alien import which did
>> not fit in here and the few followers of this ideology were during the
>> German occupation regarded as traitors and Krautlovers and certainly
>> not fatherlandloving patriots. After the war and until today no one
>> except a few nutters on the extreme left wing and the some of the
>> Danish Jews take them seriously.  Remember Germany is the ancient old
>> heriditary enemy.
>
>Says who? According to what?

I thought you were a historian. Have you never heard about the wars of
1848-51 and 1864 or the many wars between Denmark and the North German
States in the Middle ages. Before that the Saxons were regarded a
major enemy.  

>


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


From olk@patriot.dk Fri Jan 16 13:00:16 EST 1998
Article: 69698 of soc.culture.german
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Meine Mutter war in Ravensbrueck
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:54:35 GMT
Reply-To: olk@patriot.dk
Message-ID: <34b73741.1474848@news.image.dk>
References: <3490566F.1657@smartt.net> <349a7dd5.2849552@news.zfn.uni-bremen.de>   <349e3049.2212279@news.image.dk> <67m9sl$5jt$2@rks1.urz.tu-dresden.de> <349ede99.6465184@news.image.dk>  <34a76b6f.3704336@news.image.dk>  <34ad609f.9095015@news.image.dk>  <34af6612.1543295@news.image.dk> <68o2mp$95s$10@news00.btx.dtag.de> <34afb895.2606611@news.image.dk> <68u1a7$5em$3@news00.btx.dtag.de>
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On 6 Jan 1998 19:39:51 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> On 4 Jan 1998 13:26:49 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
>> Günther Beck) wrote:
>> >>  The rampant typhoid epidemics were brought under control. In 1944
>> >> only one crematoria with 15 ovens were operating according to
>> >> witnesses.
>> >
>> >Could you give a reference for this claim?
>> 
>> I do not have the book here, but I can get it in a few days.
>
>Please do so.

 Well this is based on preserved documents from the Bauleitung of
Auschwitz. Here you can find information on how many days
the different krematoria were in use. 

Krema II   (15 ovens) operated  in 509 days.
Krema III (15 ovens) operated  in 462 days
Krema IV (8 ovens  ) operated  in   50  days
Krema V  (8 ovens  ) operated  in 309 days

These crematoria were all in Birkenau.

You can find the original documents in Moscow or on microfilm in the
holocaust museum in Washington.  At maximum capaciy these ovens
together with Krema I  in Auschwitz  would have been able to cremate
162,000 bodies all together during the period. 



---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


From olk@patriot.dk Fri Jan 16 13:00:16 EST 1998
Article: 69699 of soc.culture.german
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: What are you raving about Klaus Beck?
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:54:15 GMT
Reply-To: olk@patriot.dk
Message-ID: <34b73728.1449609@news.image.dk>
References: <346776d2.500068054@news.labyrinth.net> <68g7br$f59$10@news01.btx.dtag.de>   <34b0fb19.1622612@news.image.dk> <68u0p5$5em$2@news00.btx.dtag.de>
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On 6 Jan 1998 19:30:45 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>
>> Therefore it is easy to
>> win a case of being slandered by being called a nazi. You will need
>> very strong evidence to prove that allegation. Remember that the
>> resistence that fought the German occupation during WW2 did so, if
>> they were not communists, most often out of patriotic reasons.
>> Remember that in Denmark nationalism and democracy came together.
>> Those who wrote the Danish constitution, called themselves National
>> Liberals and were both democrats and nationalists. Remember as soon as
>> they were about to come into power, war broke out with the Germans in
>> 1848. There is not such a thing as an authoritarian and fascistlike
>> nationalism in Denmark.
>
>Mmh, you really sound like this anyway.

Why would  I be authoritarian just because I am against
the immigration from the third world and the multiehnic society? I can
see no connexion here.

>
>> Nazism was regarded an alien import which did
>> not fit in here and the few followers of this ideology were during the
>> German occupation regarded as traitors and Krautlovers and certainly
>> not fatherlandloving patriots. After the war and until today no one
>> except a few nutters on the extreme left wing and the some of the
>> Danish Jews take them seriously.  Remember Germany is the ancient old
>> heriditary enemy.
>
>Says who? According to what?

I thought you were a historian. Have you never heard about the wars of
1848-51 and 1864 or the many wars between Denmark and the North German
States in the Middle ages. Before that the Saxons were regarded a
major enemy.  

>


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk



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