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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The Return of the Kreiberg
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>
>The poor old nazi-boy seems to have freaked out. Maybe
>he's sniffing glue or something? Note the suggested
>implication that numerous crematoriums just *have* to
>be adjacent to an industrial complex...

In order to get rid of the infectious corpses produced by rampant
typhoid epidemics, in hygenious manner.

>
>You're a blithering idiot, Kreiberg. The large, 7 x 30
>gas chambers, were in Birkenau, miles away from the
>SS hospital.

>May you be kind enough to explain why an ordinary crematorium
>should have an "undressing room", and showers?

 Well the showerrooms for the huge camp had to be  placed somewhere. What is
the matter with placing them next to the crematorium?

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <671jo8$4s2@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>  He owes something to the memory of the brave Frechmen who suffered 
>from the horrific occupation of his country. 

Why? If you are born after WW2 like me, WW2 is just history an nothing else.
Faurisson was a boy during WW2. It is his personal decision  to whom he wants
to pay respect. even if he does not want to pay respect to anybody at all, it
is his problem and not a problem for the courts.

>
>	Note the ethnic smear from nazi boy.  He overlooks the fact that those 
>who passed that legislation (with which I do not agree) were for the victims of the 
>nazis.

 The average age of the French parliamentarians is not that high.

>That they did wish to hear some lying geek make feeble excuses for the
>thugs who murdered and tortured their friends and countrymen and pillaged their 
>homeland.

 The French earned very well by cooperating with the Germans. Do not feel
sorry for them.

>
>	Your protests are as transparent. nazi boy, as a glass window.  You 
>know you are telling lies.  I know you are telling lies.  Anybody with two functioning 
>neurons knows you are lying.  Your words have too often betrayed you.


 Edeiken calls everybody that does not agree with him nazis or liers? Are
you not able to renew yourself and create some better smear?

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Neo Nazies
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:

># Yes IV and V each containing 8 ovens were closed and the
># rooms used for other purposes, 
>
>What "other purposes" did Kreiberg have in mind?

Not cremating purposes.

>
>No; numerous corpses had to be burned in the open. See
>testimonies and photographs, which I posted in the previous
>article in this thread.

In open pits as you have claimed earlier?

>
># Maximum 230 people died per day.
>
>So says Kreiberg. Once again, a figure which contradicts
>plain logic, the documents, and the testimonies. But what
>does he care? He is a "revisionist scholar", after all.

 Who did count how many that died every day apart from the Germans? Their
death books say 80,001 from all the years, except 1944 (that are
missing).

>
># In open pits at swampy Birkenau where the ground water
># is only 60 centimeters below?
>
>So how come parts of Kremas II & III were underground? What
>about the aerial photo, which I mentioned and which Kreiberg
>snipped, that shows smoke rising from exactly that location?
>

It is possible to build in swampy and wet areas - take a look at Venice.

>
>## however, the SS built two additional huge crematoriums
>## (IV and V), and these were damaged because so many corpses
>## had to be cremated. 
>  
># These two became superfluously and were closed.
>
>Why is this not supported by any witness? Only by Kreiberg?
>Was he there?

 Inmate Henrik Tauber among others said that only Krema II and III were
operating. In 1944 when the typhus epidemics came under control the death
rate dropped so drastically that only one of them was necessary.

>
>But Franke-Gricksch, an SS-Sturmbannfuehrer who inspected
>Auschwitz during the war, wrote in his report that those
>"unfit for work" were murdered. On what grounds does 
>Obergruppendummkopf Kreiberg claim to know more than the 
>SS-Sturmbannfuehrer, and everyone else who was there? This 
>is really starting to look like a serious mental disturbance.
>
I haven't seen this report but to me it seems rather weird and desperate to
kill people just because they were not able to work.
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Dec 17 09:57:36 EST 1997
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Neo Nazies
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In article , Holger Laux wrote:
>
>The bare fact that these camps existed (You are not denying that, are
>you?) and that people died there is enough to convince me that Nazism
>is a cruel, sadistic system that should never be allowed to come to
>power again.

 Nazism is like communism a historical phenomenon whose train had left
long ago. All the antinazi paranoia of crackpot German government and
authorities remind me of the hysterical and paranoid anti-communism in the
USA of 50ties. The German authorities see "nazis" on every streetcorner like
senator Joseph McCarty and the Commitee against Unamerican Activity did with
"communists". I hope that Helmuth Kohl and his ugly ilk will enter history
as the laughingstock like Joseph McCarthy.

>
>What numbers and "engineering processes" you associate with the camps
>is purely academic. Even if it was only a single person, who was shot,
>worked to death, starved to death, deprived of medical care - or what
>have you - it was one too many!

 Sure, but ill-treatment of prisoners on a minor scale happens everywhere
>from  time to time - even in places like Denmark.
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Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <674jk0$ov@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>  
>>  In order to get rid of the infectious corpses produced by rampant
>>  typhoid epidemics, in hygenious manner.
>
>	Note that last time out nazi boy was was using "typhus" as an excuse.  
>Now it's "typhoid."  It should be be noted that the cadavers, while unpleasant, are 
>not "infectious." 
>
Sure about that?  And burial of corpses where the ground water is less than
60 centimeters below (like in Birkenau) would not be very smart. Apart from
that most people are cremated today. What is the matter with doing the same
to dead inmates?
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <674jv3$ov@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>	I have been informed that the law was passed in the 1950's at which time a 
>majority of the French legislature were victims of nazi crimes.  

 In that case you have been misinformed. The Gayssot-Fabius law from
1988 explicitly prohibits unauthorized criticism of the etablished
historiography of the fate of the Jews in the German concentrationcamps
during WW2.

>
>	I do.  I lived in France and went to a French school in 1952-3.  I saw the 
>devastation wrought on their country.  

 It was devasted during WW1 too. Most of the devasting derived from regular
military combats. How did Vietnam by the way look like after the visit of
the US Army and in particular the US airforce? More than one million
Vietnamese civilians were butchered by the Americans. In Hanoi today there is 
a museum for the American war crimes against the vietnamese people. Do you
remember how the Americans threw napalm on civilians from the air and all
that?

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Dec 19 13:57:54 EST 1997
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The Return of the Kreiberg
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In article <3499447e.1761260@netnews.msn.com>, Miloslav Bilik wrote:

>Article sanctioning the negationism (Law Gayssot) Article 24 (a) (L.n.
>
>90-615, july 13, 1990, Art.9).  - will be punished sorrows envisaged
>by the sixth subparagraph of article 24 those which will have
>disputed, by one of the average statements to the article 23, the
>existence of one or more crimes against humanity such as they are 
>defined by article 6 of the statute of the international tribunal 
>military defined by the agreement of London of August 8, 1945 and 
>which were done either by the members of an organization declared 
>criminal pursued following the article 9 of the aforesaid statute, or
>by a person found guilty of such crimes by a French or international 
>jurisdiction.

 So here we have the infamous frog-brain law. I do not understand how a
constitutional democracy can prohibit a verdict from a court to be disputed.
It is not unusual for criminels, their lawyers, family and friends to
dispute charges and even deny crimes. According to Danish penal code this
is legal even if such denial may hurt the victims. It is also legal after
the sentence to deny the crime. But in Funny France it is not.

 We must never forget that France killed many more civilians during the
Algerian war for liberation than the Germans did during the WW2 occupation
of France. The French had kept Algeria occupied for a much longer
period (more 150 years) and extended it's "Lebensraum" by colonizing Algerian
land with more than 1 million French settlers. During the Algerian war
atrocities were commited against civilians by the French which easily
exceeded Oradour and other WW2 incidents in France.

>
>You can see that no word is said about the Jews. The law is only
>against the crimes against humanity.
>
But major crimes against humanity during WW2 are supposed to be against the
Jews.
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Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Dec 19 13:57:54 EST 1997
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Neo Nazies
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In article <67d16s$qr0@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   cswiger@labyrinth.net (Cliff Swiger) writes:
>>  Jews are not Germans.
>
>	If they are citizens of Germany they certainly are.
>
Hm in the very North of Germany there live a Danish minority. They claim that
they are Danish, allthough they are all born in Germany and have lived there
for generations and have German citizenship. A German citizenship does not
necessarily make a Jew or a Dane German. 

>
>	That is utter nonsense.  The mass of persons in concentration camps for 
>other than the crazy racist notions were political prisoners.
>
The Nazi-Germans believed that the Jews were first and foremost posing
a security risk the same way that the Americans believed that Japanese
Americans were posing a  security threat. All Americans of Japanese
descent no matter for how many generations they have lived in the
USA were interned in special camps after the USA had entered WW2.

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg's "Revisionist" Sources
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In article , Nele Abels-Ludwig  wrote:
>On 16 Dec 1997, Klaus G=FCnther Beck wrote:
>[Ueber Ole Kreiberg]
>[...]
>> Du hingegen bist in keinster Weise qualifiziert.
>
>Aber, aber! Der gute Mann erfuellt doch jedes Kriterium, das einen
>echten "revisionist scholar" auszeichnet: fehlende Faktenkenntnis,
>fehlende Quellenkenntnis, fehlende Methodenkenntnis, fehlende
>Sprachkenntnis, fehlende Arbeitslaune, fehlende Logik dafuer aber
>jede Menge tendenzioeser Vorgaben und ein ordentlicher Schmack
>Antisemitismus.
>
I have never claimed to be a holocaust-scholar. And what about you? What
makes you think that you are qualified for anything else than to repeat
all the crap that the Bonn regime has had you brainwashed with. You and
Klaus Beck are typical authoritarian German types. If you were living
in DDR or Nazi-Germany you would have been staunch supporters of those
regimes, and would have found great pleasure in hunting those that were
regarded political different. Without people with your mentality DDR and
Nazi-Germany would not have been able to function.

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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In article <67chqr$mp5@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) ever anxious to defend his nazi heroes:
>
>>  On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:30:10 -0500, holman.hum.hy@elo.helsinki.fi
>>  (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>
>>  This is exactly allegations like this that makes the whole holocaust
>>  myth so incredible. The petit bourgeois Nazi-Germans shunned all sorts
>>  of pervasion and abnormality, and things like that would never have
>>  been tolerated. 
>
>	Ernst Roehm?
>
>	--YFE

Yes he was killed by the Nazi-regime, and one of the reason was that his
open pervasions made him a liability for Nazi-regime.
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Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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In article <67ivfv$8bn$8@news02.btx.dtag.de>, Klaus GŁnther Beck wrote:
>
>Jews form a religious group, not a race. Get this through the vacuum
>between your ears.

The Jews form a nationality. Almost all of them support zionism, which is
Jewish nationalism. If you are a Jew from anywhere in the world, you are
automatically a citizen of Israel, if you emigrate to that country.

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <67ivpl$8bn$9@news02.btx.dtag.de>, Klaus GŁnther Beck wrote:
>
>Depends how you define nationality. If they live in Schleswig-Holstein
>and have German ID, they are legally German.

 Legally they can be German but their national identity will always remain
Danish like the Jewish identity will always be Jewish and Pro-Israel.

>
>Apples and oranges. I do not like what happened to the Sino-Americans in
>WW II.

Sino-Americans? It was only Japanese-Americans and not Chinese-Americans
(Sino-Americans) that were interned.

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Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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In article <349F864B.25E4519A@gawein.physik.uni-erlangen.de>, Juergen Hubert  wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>>  Another thing is how dare a German like you call a Non-German a nazi.
>> National socialism was an extreme expression of German culture,
>> mentality and history. Hitler said several times that national
>> socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export.
>
>Please tell that to Cliff Swiger.
>
 The Americans can afford to have a liberal and naive attitude to Germany.
Germany is far away from them over sea, and they have a much bigger and
stronger army, navy and airforce. They have nuclear arms too. Germany will
never be able to threaten them. Furthermore the White Americans are a blend
of all sorts of different European nationalities adapted to a new White
Anglo Saxon culture. The Americans do not quite realize how different e.g.
Germans are from Irishmen when they form their own country.

 Germany was never able to make the big USA extradite Gary Lauch, while it
was able to pressure and bully the small Denmark into kidnapping and
abducting Gary Lauck when he was visiting Denmark on a 3 monthes visitor's
permit, the same way as it in 1941 pressured and bullied Denmark to
prohibit the communist party. Germany defiled and corrupted the Danish court
system and exposed to the Danish people, that Denmark can no longer have the
same level of political freedom and free speech as the USA because of Germany
and it's problems with it's past. Denmark has been a stable democracy for
150 years and has never been threatened by extreme political parties and
movements.


 They now try to pressure Denmark through Helmuth Kohl's European "Deutschland
Ueber Alles" Union to prohibit the Danish Naziparty (which would of course
be as much against the constitution as it was in 1941). They want to force
Denmark to share Germany's reponsibility for Nazism by copying German
legislation, although Denmark was an outright victim of Nazi-Germany. They
even want German police to be able to operate inside Denmark like the
Gestapo in 1940-45. When the Danish policemen's union protested against the
latter, German police officers made arrogant and obnoxiuos remarks, and they
were not able to tell what the German police can do better than the Danish
police. Germany wants Denmark to slowly merge into Northern Germany through
the EU. And you do not understand why I now and then may seem a little angry
with the Germans.
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Dec 27 21:25:01 EST 1997
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: On leather from human skin: the evidence
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In article <67chqr$mp5@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) ever anxious to defend his nazi heroes:
>
>>  On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:30:10 -0500, holman.hum.hy@elo.helsinki.fi
>>  (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>
>>  This is exactly allegations like this that makes the whole holocaust
>>  myth so incredible. The petit bourgeois Nazi-Germans shunned all sorts
>>  of pervasion and abnormality, and things like that would never have
>>  been tolerated. 
>
>	Ernst Roehm?
>
>	--YFE

Yes he was killed by the Nazi-regime, and one of the reason was that his
open pervasions made him a liability for Nazi-regime.
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Dec 30 13:27:41 EST 1997
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg still flogging that crap?
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In article <687356$501$1@news.trends.ca>, Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
>Is Mr. Kreiberg still trying to peddle that crap about National
>Socialism being a purely German phenomenon, one that was not intended
>for export? 

Hitler said so several times. In his last speech in 1945 he said:

"Der Nationalsozialismus kennt nur das Deutschtum, und ihn interessiert
sonst nichts auf der Welt.

... Die nationalsozialistische Lehre ist, und ich habe das immer wieder
betont, keine Exportware. Sie ist nur fuer das deutsche Volk geschaffen."

 [The ravings of some journalist snipped]

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org



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