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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 15:29:38 +0100
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In article <558rqr$rho@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       We are not talking about visas -- which are granted to visitors -- but to 
>the basic rights of Danish citizens.  

 Yes you still do not understand much, do you? All *Danish* citizens 
will keep their basic rights. However errors have been made in past and 
today there unfortunately are people with Danish citizenship that cannot 
be regarded Danish or otherwise eligible. These errors will be corrected
which means that their citizensships will be revoked. Being no longer
Danish citizens they cannot claim the basic rights of Danish citizens and 
a respite for their departure will be issued. 

>If the U.S. immigration authorities picked me 
>up and placed me prison, nazi boy, it would be illegal.  

 Sure if the US authorities have forgotten to strip you of your citizensship 
or the US government have forgotten to change the laws in order make it 
possible. Come on, do not try tell us that this is not possible. Many 
so-called war criminals from WW2 who emigrated to the USA after the war and 
became American citizens, have had their citizensship revoked and been 
deported.

>If, as you suggest, the 
>consditions be made as unpleasant as possible so as to coerce me into giving up 
>my basic human rights, it most certainly would be torture.
>       
 Because we are dealing with third world citizens, it is important that they
will not be given better conditions that they will get in their home 
countries. Living under bad conditions is not torture. If it were, billions
of people are tortured permanently in the third world.

--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Nov  3 08:09:23 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Denmark during WW2
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:23:46 +0100
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>        ...In Denmark the legal and democratic elected government was
>>        in charge, and the country remained formally neutral. There was
>>        even a neutral Danish army and navy existing side by side with the
>>        German.
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, was not the Danish Army disbanded and interred by the
>Germans in late August of 1943? Did not the Scavenius government resign,
>leaving the running of the Danish government in the hands of civil
>servants? 

 Sure when it became obvious that the Germans would lose the war it became
time for being less cooperative and the resistance movement began. One of
the acts of resistance was aiding the Jews to escape. 

>
>>        It is not fair to describe these politicians as nazi-
>>        collaborators, because the Germans did not interfere with internal
>>        Danish affairs that had no consequence for the safety of the
>>        German army.... 
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, did not the Germans themselves admit on September 17, 1943,
>that they had seized community records containing the names and addresses
>of all Jews in Denmark under the pretext of a routine search for
>anti-German activity? 

 Yes they thought that the many strikes were somehow instigated by the Jews.
They also thought that the Jews were behind the the resignation of the
Danish government. That is what you can read in contemporary Danish
newspapers anyway. The Danish Jews were to be interned because they were
regarded a security problem not because of race.


>
>>        ...Germany had only occupied Denmark because of military
>>        strategical reasons, the same way that other parts of the then
>>        Danish kingdom such as the Faroe Islands and Iceland were occupied
>>        by the English and the Americans.... 
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, did not the German police on the night of October 1, 1943,
>using the address list lists previously seized on September 17, 1943,
>begin door to door arrest of Jews? Did not the German plenipotentiary
>confirm this to director of the Danish Foreign Ministry, Nils Svenningsen,
>saying that Jews who could work would do so, while the elderly and those
>who could not work would be deported to Theresienstast?   

 Name just one Danish jew that was deported to other concentration camps
than Theresienstadt. Jews over 60 years of age were not deported. Neither
were halfcaste Jews nor Jews living in marriage with Gentiles.

>
>>        ...It is therefore not correct maintain that Denmark was 
>>        nazi-occupied. It was only occupied by the German army. No national 
>>        socialist ideology or other features were enforced. E.g. therefore 
>>        the Danish Jews never had to wear Jew stars.
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, then why did the German legation to Denmark impose a state
>of emergency on Denmark and disband and inter the Danish Army? 

 The army was only interned for a few days. The Danish government resigned 
voluntarily because it did not want introduce death penalty for sabotage. 
This was at least the official reason. The government and the other
politicians did not flee. They stayed and controlled the civil servants
>from  behind of the scene. You may say the politicians rather went on 
strike.

>Why did the
>German police seize records containing the names and addresses of Danish
>Jews? Why the German police begin arrested Jews on the night of October 1,
>1943, with the express intent of deporting them? (477 of the aproximately
>6,000 Danish Jews were deported to Theresienstast. [cf. Hilberg,
>_Destruction_, p.362]) 
>
>The reality, Mr. Kreiberg, was that Denmark was occupied by the Nazis
>without resistance. Becuase of this and the Danes' "racial" qualities,
>they were given an unusual degree of autonomy for a Nazi occupied country.
>Denmark, in essense,  rolled over and was given a bone. 

Much of this is true. It is however interesting to notice how well the
Germans got along with Slavic nations as Slovakia and Bulgaria.


>This state of
>affairs was maintained until August of 1943, when the Germans declared a
>state of emergency in Denmark. Subsequently, the Nazis decided to carry
>out their anti-Jewish pogrom and deport the 6,000 or so Danish Jews in
>Denmark.
>
>It was only by the Danish people's resolute refusal to surrender their
>fellow (Jewish) Danes and Jewish refugees to the Nazis, and their mounting
>a rescue operation that delivered all but a handful from the Nazi killing
>machine to safe haven in Sweden, that the Danish Jews did not perish in
>the Holocuast. Such an exercise in high moral and political responsibility
>can only be profoundly admired and held up as an example of civic duty at
>its finest. 

 Bah, a lot of nauseating nonsens. The deportation was of course kept secret
by the Germans. When information was leaked all the plans for helping the 
the Danish Jews to escape to Sweden were of course kept secret by the 
resistance. The general population were of course not supposed to know about 
the secret operation which was to take place. Furthermore allmost all of 
the Jews lived in Copenhagen. Tell me how people in Jutland were helping
the Jews?

 I can of course understand why this legend became very convenient for 
Denmark after the war. Today Denmark is known in the world for this
little incident and not for the close cooperation with Germany from 1940-43.

>
>>        I myself was not born during WW2, but I am sure that I would
>>        have been among the above-mentioned 96 per cent, who supported the
>>        legal and constitutional government and stayed out of trouble,
>>        such as my parents and grandparents did.
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, considering that you condone and espouse the very same
>tactics and ideology exhibited by the Nazis, I sincerely doubt that. More
>likey you would have jumped at the chance to be a Nazi collaborator. 
>
  The reason why I am racialist is the immigration from the third world
and the multiethnic society. In 1940-45 there were no ethnic minorities
in Denmark beside an isignificant number of well-integrated Jews (app. 7000) 
of whom almost all lived in Copenhagen. I would not have had any significant 
reason to become a racialist. Furthermore the Germans have always been 
detested by the Danes. Germany is an old arch enemy of Denmark. If race was 
something I shared with the "ugly Krauts" I think I had rather not been a 
racialist.
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Nov  3 16:27:20 PST 1996
Article: 78386 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:14:34 +0100
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In article <55g314$nvm@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       If they obtained their citizenship illegally no change in the laws are 
>required.  If they obtained it legally no amount of sophistry can disguise your basic 
>program.  You are willing to violate the human rights of others by depriving them of 
>a basic right.

 If it necessary to unsubscribe to some of the human rights, it is the
price one has to pay for creating of ethnic homogeneity. Nothing is free in 
life.
>
>
>> These errors will be corrected
>>  which means that their citizensships will be revoked. Being no longer
>>  Danish citizens they cannot claim the basic rights of Danish citizens and 
>>  a respite for their departure will be issued. 
>
>       In other words you will deprive them of that which they have legally 
>obtained for no reason except your bigotry.  
>
 They may have legally obtained their citizensship and they will legally 
lose it. Errors will be corrected, and they will receive an official 
appology for being granted citizensship in the first place.

>>   Sure if the US authorities have forgotten to strip you of your citizensship 
>>  or the US government have forgotten to change the laws in order make it 
>>  possible. 

       > Sorry, nazi boy, they can't "change the law."

 I do not know American legislation, but I am sure that a majority in the 
congress can change any law. In Denmark a majority of the population could
legally turn the country into an Islamic republic or a communist paysan and
worker republic of the Cambodian Khmer Rouge type. They would of course have 
to change the legislation and constitution quite a bit. Democracy is the 
political will of a majority of the people. The reason why the American 
constitution has not been scrapped years ago, is that a majority of the 
American people believes in it and wants to preserve it.
        
>Their "home country" is Denmark, nazi boy.  

 Not in my opinion. In order to consider Denmark your home country you must
be an ethnic Dane or otherwise eligible. 

>You are advocating torture.  

No I am advocating repatriation.

>I do not find it surprising that you find excuses for the nazis.  You are 
>one.

 I am not a nazi. Like your compatriot Joseph McCarthy saw communist on 
every streetcorner in the fifties, you see nazis on every streetcorner. You 
seem to have a kind of psychiatric problem with nazism.

 I happily leave the problem of nazism to Germany and Austria where such 
krautstuff rightfully belong.

--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Nov  5 06:58:50 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 23:44:17 +0100
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In article <55jqr6$5g2@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, william c anderson wrote:
>
 Nazism was something with dictatorship, military expansion and *German*
chauvinism. Things that I do not subsribe to.  Yes I subscribe to ethnic 
homogeneity  - not the other stuff. I have always found that nazism was 
unnecessarily inhumane in many ways e.g. such as in the attitude toward 
the handicapped and other harmless groups.

--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Nov  5 06:58:51 PST 1996
Article: 78558 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 23:36:49 +0100
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In article <55jhlo$kvk@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       They are Danish citizens.  "Repatriating" them means sending them 
>back to Denmark.

Hm the USA was multiethnic right from it's inception. Denmark has always
been homogenous. Denmark is the Danes and the Danes are Denmark. A few other
closely related individuals slipped in through the centuries and became 
totally assimilited or absorbed. That is all.
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Nov  7 07:55:56 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The importance of Hoess?
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 22:59:39 +0100
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In article <54ts71$kk4@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, Ken McVay OBC wrote:
>
>Please tell me, Mr. Kreiberg, precisely who - beside yourself
>and your denying friends - cites Hoess' confession as "some of
>the best evidence of the Holocaust?"
>
The massmedia.
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Nov  7 10:43:54 PST 1996
Article: 78796 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:52:49 +0100
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In article , Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:
>
>Don't dilute your ideology, Mr. Kreiberg.  If a nation's lands belong to
>the ethnic descendents of its original inhabitants, we should send
>everyone else back to their ethnic 'homelands', as you advocate.  Why
>should we in the USA Balkanize the Americas when we can just send 250
>million or-so Europeans back to Europe, just as you advocate sending the
>ethnic 'Africans' back to Africa from Denmark?

 There are two problems here. Will the Europeans countries be willing to
receive so many white Americans and will the white Americans be willing
to leave? The white Americans still constitute the majority of the 
population. How will it be possible to make a legislation that will force 
them to leave? Furthermore the Red Indians are too few to claim that huge 
territory.

>
>The point is, the logic behind your racist ideology leads to very silly
>conclusions when applied to the real world.  In the real world nations
>cope just fine with multiple' races' once the ideologies of racism can be
>overcome.  

 You cannot overcome racism. It arises spontanously when different ethnic
group have to live within the same territories. It is the symptom of 
conflict and tension - not the cause. You are just trying making racism a 
scapegoat. The only way to really overcome racism is through the creation of
ethnic pure societies. If all the third worlders left Denmark racism will
automatically disappear with them.

>Adopting different ethnic mixes into our national culture here
>in the USA has resulted in some of the finest industry, science, music,
>sport and art in the world.  

The USA would be a much better country if it were ethnic homogenous.

>Our nation would be just another bland
>economic colony of Europe without the contributions of people descended
>from Europeans, Africans, Chinese, Japanese, Jews, Indians, Native
>Americans, etc...  

 What is so bad a about Australia which until a few decades ago was a very
homogenous white country (apart from a handfull of marginalized aboriginies). 
What is so bad about American states such as Idaho and Vermont that are 
almost completely white.
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Nov  8 10:58:16 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:09:27 +0100
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In article <55p2p7$41d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       That's *your* standard.  Others might have different ideas about 
>johnny-come-lately phony Danes like you.
>
  My standard is in line with other Danish patriots.
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Nov 11 07:04:01 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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In article , Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>Which echos the same two problems into your similar racist proposals for
>Denmark.  Will the African nations be willing to accept so many 'blacks'
>and will the 'Black' Danes be willing to go?

Hm they could be persuaded. 

>
>Actually, those 'red Indians' were perfectly content in this huge
>territory before the Europeans showed up, bringing 'ethnic heterogeniety'
>with them. 

 The fate of the Red Indians is a good example on how disastrous immigration
can be for the origininal inhabitants of a territory. Do not let history
repeat itself - stop all immigration.

>
>And just like other human impulses which "arise spontaneously," such as
>rape, theivery, murder, etc..., civilized societies must punish or contain
>individuals who cannot control these base human impulses.

 Yes, people that cannot control evil and criminal impulses, must be checked.
However because there are somebody that rape and steal you are not going to 
prohibit the urge for sex and earning a living. You cannot prohibit 
racialism because some nuts once did some crimes in the name of racialism.
All racialism is not criminal like all sex is not rape and all ways of
getting money are not theft, robbery etc.

>
>Civilized societies do not cure rapists by sending all the women away.  We
>prevent or punish the act of rape. Similarly, civilized societies do not
>cure racism by sending all the ethnic minorities away.  We prevent or
>punish the act of racism.

 You cannot cure racism in any other way than by creating ethnic homogeneity,
You can perhaps by abandoning certain democratic rights suppress racism but
it will still be there beneath the surface. In former Yugoslavia under 
the communist dictatorship nationalism was suppressed through legislation. 
What happened  as the first thing when this dictatorship was removed? All 
the tensions between the nationalities that had accumulated through the 
decades of dictatorship ascended to the surface. What happened when Denmark 
went from absolute monarchy to democracy in 1849? Even before the new 
democratic constitution was about to be put into force a rebellion broke out 
among the German population in Southern Denmark.
>
>Eliminating most of the Jews from Germany hasn't done a whole lot to
>prevent racism in Germany, by the sound of it.

Anti-semitism might have left Germany in 1945. However the Germans who 
have not learned anything from history, were stupid enough to let in
millions of third worlders. And now there is a racism against them.
> 
>> >Adopting different ethnic mixes into our national culture here
>> >in the USA has resulted in some of the finest industry, science, music,
>> >sport and art in the world.  
>> 
>> The USA would be a much better country if it were ethnic homogenous.
>
>'Better,' as you would define it, means 'ethnically pure' and nothing
>more.  To a racist like yourself, I doubt there is any other criteria.

By better I mean a more coherent and harmonious society. A society with
as little economical difference between top and bottom of society as possible
and much social wellfare. This is possible to attain in a society with the 
natural solidarity and coherence coming from ethnic homogeneity. The more 
ethnic homogenous a population is, the better the prospects are for a good 
society. 
>
>With all due respect to Australians, what was so great about Australia
>that can be attributed to relative ethnic homogeniety ( homogeniety the
>aboriginal peoples might protest.)?
> 
 I have been visiting and staying in both Australia and the USA several 
times and there are much less crime in Australia than in USA. The Australian 
society is much more pleasant than the American. It is almost like an 
English speaking Denmark in the warm sun. To me Vermont was the most 
Scandinavian like place in the USA.

>> What is so bad about American states such as Idaho and Vermont that are 
>> almost completely white.
>
>I live near Idaho, have relatives who live there, and have visited the
>state many times.  There are many beautiful people and sights to see
>in Idaho, but culturally, it is a sad lonely place compared to my exciting
>and cosmopolitan Seattle. 

 Sure small towns like the ones in Idaho can never be as lively than big 
cities like Seattle. 3 decades ago Copenhagen was almost ethnic pure and 
the same goes for cities like Paris, London and Amsterdam 4 decades ago. 
Have immigration from the third world made them better places?


I wish happiness, harmony and ethnic homogeneity for every nation.
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Nov 13 06:28:49 PST 1996
Article: 79349 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:27:18 +0100
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In article <565g1f$2na@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, william c anderson wrote:
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>Mr. Kreiberg, however, is a nazi.
>
 You are only repeating this nonsens because you think can intimidate or
manipulate me from expressing my views. Just because I am in favour of 
ethnic homogeneity you are labeling me a nazi. You want to make us believe 
that racialism was invented by the Kraut-nazis allthough everyone
knows that racialism is much older than nazism. 
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Nov 13 06:28:50 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>> In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>> >
>No, Mr. Kreiberg. What makes _you_ a Nazi is your unstinting promulgation
>of some of the very same ideals and policies that the Nazis promulgated
    ^^^^
>and enacted. 

_Some_ of the same ideals do not make you a nazis. Hitler was by the way
a vegetarian. Does that make all vegetarians nazis? Do vegetarians have  
nazi tendencies? You must share all the ideals of Hitler to qualify
as a nazi.

The only thing that I promulgate unstinted is ethnic homogeneity.

>
>
>>Another thing is that Denmark had to defend it's independence against such 
>>aggressive neighbours as Germany and Sweden.
>
>Really? What about the War with Sweeden (1506-1513) in which Denmark
>(unseuccessfully) tried to reestablish the the Union of Kalmer by force?

 Danish King Christian II was a rather brutal character that ended up being
dethroned and incarcereted by his own government. Apart from that this Union 
was necessary in order to counteract the influence from the Germans (in 
this case the Hansa) which also rebounded on the Swedes.

>What about Denmark's expansion of power and possesion under the reign of
>Christien IV (1588-1648)? What about Denmark's involvement in the
>religious wars in Germany? 

 Yes this was rather stupid and Denmark ended up getting severely burnt 
in the battle of Kolberger Heide. Denmark should always keep away from 
Germany - this time as well as today (the EU). 

>
>> You do it so fanatically that you call all opponents of the multiethnic 
>> society for nazis.
>
>No, Mr. Kreiberg, I call those who espouse and promulgate Nazi ideology
>Nazis. Like you, for instance. 

 When did I last promulgate dictatorship, military expansion, ideas of
master races and subhumans? Without subscribing to those ideas you cannot
be called a nazi.

>>  Depriving ex-Danish citizens of their property? 
>
>Indeed. That is, in essence, the "logical" outcome of  what you propose,
>is it not? Or do you _really_ think that the ex-Danish citizens you forced
>into concentration camps and deport to parts unknown will get fair-market
>prices for their assets? 

Yes.

>
>That is, of course, providing their assets aren't confiscated due to some
>puerile Nazi rationalization of yours. 
>
>> For what reason? 
>
>Because you are a racist Nazi pig? 
>

That was really an intelligent answer.

>Mr. Kreiberg, you have claimed you are "looking for" a "humane and
>unfanatic racialism." [1] Yet you also say that to "stop and reverse the
>immigration" one "must be willing to pay some human costs." [2] The
>dichotomy here is self-evident, yes? Obviously, one might think your
>professing to look for "humane and unfanatic racialism" is nothing but
>vapid and placatory disinformation as to your real intent: the ethnic
>cleansing of Denmark by whatever means are necessary. 

As humane and peacefull as possible.

>
>Additionally, evidence of your sinister intent is only reinforced by your
>comment regarding those who refuse to placidly be stripped of rightful
>Danish citizenship and be deported to the third-world: "You just pick
>somebody out here and there and thereby put pressure on the rest in order
>to make them cooperate." [3]

 In order to create as little turbulence as possible.

>
>Such blatant acts of intimidation and terrorism are a hallmark of "harsh
>dictatorships." 

 Hm that it is what you are thinking. To me the endeavour for ethnic 
homogenity is the most meaningful and moral elevated way to spend life.

>
>> Neither have I spoken of concentration camps - only temporary transit camps.
>
>How odd. That's what the Nazis often called their concentration camps.
>They also said they were "deporting" the Jews to "The East." Of course,
>"The East" all too often ended at places like Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno,
>Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka....

 Yes and the first law they passed when they came to power had to do with 
the protection of animals. So according to your thinking prevention of
cruelty to animals could be nazism as well.
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Nov 13 06:28:51 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:46:03 +0100
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In article <32879c37.15656920@news.sprynet.com>, Miloslav Bilik wrote:
>
>An example from a few years ago. Le Pen at the TV, kind-looking,
>telling his usual ideas: he would like his family more than a
>stranger, there are a lot of French without job and a lot Non-French
>inhabitants, and so on. And suddenly the presenter showed him a report
>of Leon Degrelle (it was before 94 and he was still alive), in Spain
>and quietly telling that his friend JM Le Pen visits him each year.
>
>You know certainly who was Leon Degrelle. This evening, Le Pen found
>nothing to add.

  Leon Degrelle was the leader of the Belgian Rex movement. When Belgium
was occupied by Germany, Degrelle allied himself with the Germans by 
joining the Waffen SS in the Struggle against bolshevism. Many Danes did
the same. Regular armies from a long array of European countries joined
the Germans on the crusade against communism. In 1941 the Danish government
led by a social democratic prime minister signed the so called anti-
commintern treaty in Berlin that implied that Denmark sent voluntaries
to fight in the Waffen SS under the Danish flag. Was Leon Degrelle ever
a true nazi or was he just a fanatic anti-communist and after the war
just a nazi-apologist?
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Nov 15 06:33:08 PST 1996
Article: 79560 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane?
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:41:48 +0100
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In article <563ui7$ai@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

>>  Now why would e.g. a German immigrant cover 
>his
>>  real heritage by taking a name that to Danish ears sound rather German.
>
>       Since that is, apparently what was done , why don't you tell us.
>  
 This was not what was done. Originally "Kreiberg" was a middle name. My 
father's name as a boy was Kreiberg Andersen and his family originated
>from  the village of Krejbjerg. By the way some years ago I received a
telephone call from an American on a visit in Denmark to find his roots.
He was living in California and his name was Kreiberg and he was not one
moment in doubt that Kreiberg and his ancestors were Danish. From what he
told me he might have decended from the brother of my Great Grand father.
I am still looking forward to hear from you where my surname descends from
if it is not Danish.

>>  >Good luck waiting for "repatriation" 
>>  >at the concentration camp when the other Danish "patriots" come for you.
>
>>   So far the other Danish patriots have only asked whether I would 
>>  like to run as a candidate for the municipality- and county election next
>>  year. I have had several meetings with them and they have never mentioned 
>>  anything about my name.  
>
>       Perhaps this is more evidence of the basic stupidity of the 
>neo-nazis you hang around with.  

 Sorry I am not hanging around with neo-nazis but only with patriots similiar
to Le Pen in France and Joerg Haider in Austria.

> all that is decent in western civilization. 
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 You mean all that is rotten, decadent and selfdesructive in Western 
civilization.

>Be sure to tell us how your speeches in which you advocate having vigilantes 
>round up those who you don't like and throw them in concentration camps or 
>tell the voters 

 My exact plan for creating ethnic homogeneity is described in Danish in my 
homepages, and it does not say anything about vigilantes and concentration
camps.

>how nauseated you are whenever you hear of how the Jewish 
>population of Denmark was saved.  

 This jew escape story may be precious to you Jews, but most Danes 
do not pay much attention to that. First of all most of the Jews did 
manage to get succesfully away and secondly all the Danes who are old enough 
to remember, know, that it was only few people that helped the Jews and that
most people accepted the "cooperation" policy of the Danish governmemt.

--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Nov 15 07:48:02 PST 1996
Article: 79610 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:29:12 +0100
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In article <328de637.61021@news.sprynet.com>, Miloslav Bilik wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>
>> Gayssot was a member of the communist party. Although many more people died
>>in communist camps than in nazi-camps it is still legal in France to deny
>>this fact.
>
>I never heard something about communist camps in France. Did you ?

 But neither have there been any nazi-camps in France. There were camps 
where the German enemy and invader had interned French anti-german patriots. 

>Actually, none denies that a lot of people died in the russian camps
>or were murdered by the Khmers. It's simply out of the scope of a.r.

 It is certainly within the scope of a.r. to compare communist and allied
atrocities with Nazi-German atrocities.

>
>> Also the French occupants killed many more Algerian civilians in 
>>the Algerian war for independence than the German occupants in France during
>>WW2. France is the most hypocritical nation in the world.
>
>The genuineness isn't the first quality of any country. JM Le Pen was
>a paratrooper, and some books were written about his 'duties' against
>Algerians. I can't explain more, as all the criminals of this war were
>soon amnestied. A sort of loi Gayssot before the date: we cannot
>expose amnestied facts.

This is the most rabid hypocricy. It is prohibited to question German 
atrocities, while it is prohibited to speak about France's own atrocities.  
--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Nov 16 06:59:51 PST 1996
Article: 79807 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Communism and anti-racism are impossible dreams
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In article , Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>
>Those nations, like the US, that have been able to lead most of its
>inhabitants out of the dark ages of racist thinking and toward a more
>enlightened era of egalitarinism and democracy, are coping.  I can't think
>of any nation that's yet come close to any 'ideal' society, but many are
>moving slowly ahead as they distance themselves from archaic notions
>such as racism.
>
 This kind of rhetorics is much similiar to the one used by the former
communist regimes in eastern Europe about the "reactionary" capitalism on 
the ruins of which a communist world paradise would arise. This communist 
fantasyland was an impossible dream like "progressive" Kimberley Ahlf's 
racial equality land. 

 The idea of a natural and inborn racial equality is a political doctrin
based of wishful thinking. 

 The truth about the racial differences is so compelling obvious that the
burden of proof must lie with those that proclaim the racial equality -
not the other way round.

 I base my views of the meaning of the racial differences on the experience
of history, common sense, logic and the eternal laws of nature.

 The first law of nature is selfpreservation and this law applies to ethnic
groups and nations as well. The natural and inborn racial differences are 
immutable and eternal. Believing otherwise is self-deception like communism. 
Communism collapsed by itself because it did not fit into the real world. 
Now communist ideology has collapsed the turn has come to the related anti-
racist ideology. It is just a matter of time. Everything which is against 
nature has only a short lifespan. 

--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Nov 16 07:08:29 PST 1996
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Subject: Communism and anti-racism are impossible dreams
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In article , Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>
>Those nations, like the US, that have been able to lead most of its
>inhabitants out of the dark ages of racist thinking and toward a more
>enlightened era of egalitarinism and democracy, are coping.  I can't think
>of any nation that's yet come close to any 'ideal' society, but many are
>moving slowly ahead as they distance themselves from archaic notions
>such as racism.
>
 This kind of rhetorics is much similiar to the one used by the former
communist regimes in eastern Europe about the "reactionary" capitalism on 
the ruins of which a communist world paradise would arise. This communist 
fantasyland was an impossible dream like "progressive" Kimberley Ahlf's 
racial equality land. 

 The idea of a natural and inborn racial equality is a political doctrin
based of wishful thinking. 

 The truth about the racial differences is so compelling obvious that the
burden of proof must lie with those that proclaim the racial equality -
not the other way round.

 I base my views of the meaning of the racial differences on the experience
of history, common sense, logic and the eternal laws of nature.

 The first law of nature is selfpreservation and this law applies to ethnic
groups and nations as well. The natural and inborn racial differences are 
immutable and eternal. Believing otherwise is self-deception like communism. 
Communism collapsed by itself because it did not fit into the real world. 
Now communist ideology has collapsed the turn has come to the related anti-
racist ideology. It is just a matter of time. Everything which is against 
nature has only a short lifespan. 

--
Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Nov 19 06:47:04 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:43:23 +0100
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In article <328ee68e.148407@news.sprynet.com>, Miloslav Bilik wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>In article <32879c37.15656920@news.sprynet.com>, Miloslav Bilik wrote:
>>>
>
>After he was wounded, Degrelle was awarded by Hitler himself with the
>'Croix de fer'.
>
>Was he a nazi ? Yes, beyond doubt. He proclaimed in a meeting
>(Bruxelles, Jan 17 43) that the 'Wallons' were Germans and that they
>were to be integrated in the Reich. Thus, he wished the annexation on
>the ground of a racial identity, it was more than a fight against the
>communists.
>
- :-D :-D  I refuse to believe that he ever would have said something that
stupid as the Wallons were Germans. If they were that, how come they speak
French? Remember that Hitler said several times that national socialism
knows only Germany and is not meant for export.
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Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Nov 19 06:47:05 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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In article <56nvnc$4il$1@gruvel.une.edu.au>, ibokor wrote:
>
>The Franks are/were Germanic peoples. It is on their account that 
>France is called "France" or "Frankreich" ("Frank Empire"). How
>come they speak French?
>
 The French are Celtic people. So are Irishmen, Welch and Scotts, and most 
of them speak Germanic English, while the French speak Roman French. The 
name Belgium is derived from the Celtic (Wallonic) tribe that lived there 
before the Roman conquest. (Wallonic) Belgium and France got their language 
>from  the Romans. Unfortunately the English language applies the same root 
for both Germanic and German while other language such as German, French, 
and Danish use two different words. In Danish the word Germanic only refers 
to a category languages as well as terms applied in Roman historiography. A 
Dane or a Belgian would never indentify themselves with anything German. The 
Dane has a Scandinavian identity while the Belgian has either a French or a 
"Dutch". Germans are for a Belgian and a Dane the name of a foreign 
nationality. Therefore I do not believe that Belgian Degrelle would have 
said anything so stupid as the Belgians were really Germans. Neither would I 
believe that the German chauvinistic Nazi-Germans would accept French 
speaking people as Germans.
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Nov 25 06:29:30 PST 1996
Article: 81006 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>Really? In that spirit then, Should it not also be a human, as well as
>envoronmental, right to put a cork in Nazi blowhards who promulgate
>ideologies of oppression and violence, so as to keep their Nazi bullshit
>from polluting the earth?

 Where are all these dangerous nazis? I think that you are obsessed by nazism
the same way that your compatriot Joseph McCarthy was about communism in the
fifties. You simply see nazis everywhere. As there really are very few nazis
like there were very few communistists in the fifties you have to invent some
in order to confirm the validity of the your obsession and paranoia. Your
tone is quite as hysterical as the one of J. McCarthy. The fact is that 
there are not more nazis in the USA than there were communists in the USA
in the fifties. 

>I guess that makes Danes "race traitors" in your book, eh, Mr. Kreiberg? I
>mean, with all those wars Denmark has waged agianst it's ("white")
>nieghbor's and all.... 

 These wars were fought before there was any immigration from the third
world and no multiracialism. They were fought over different issues.
I am speaking about the situation of today.
>
>Tell us, Mr. Kreiberg, do the majority of your fellow Dane's share your
>views on "race traitors?"
>
 This is a good question. Different opinion polls and research have come up
with the result that 5 per cent of the population share the ultraliberal 
views of you and others and 15 per cent are hardliners against immigration 
and multiracialism like me. The rest is somewhere between. Some are closer to
my views and others are closer to your stand. An opinion poll in a Danish
newspaper, BT once showed that 72 per cent was against the multiethnic 
society. And opinion poll made by the European community a couple of years 
ago showed that the population of Denmark had the most negative attitude 
toward immigration of all the EU countries. This report showed so much 
resentment toward immigration and the multiethnic society that it was 
decided not to make it public. However different Danish newspaper had got 
copies of it before that decision was made. 

By the way an Austrian anti-immigration party got at least 30 per cent of 
the votes at a recent election and in France a recent opinion poll showed 
that 40 per cent supported the views of Le pen and the Front Nationale.

 Oh I forgot in your paranoid dilusions the above-mentioned parties may
be "nazis". In the real world nazi parties are forbidden in Austria and
France, so these parties are not nazis. France and Austria also have  
the most strict anti-racist laws in Europe. If you still "think" that these 
parties are "nazis" then consult a psychiatrist. Please do not let out on me. 
--
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Nov 25 06:29:30 PST 1996
Article: 81012 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 15:51:24 +0100
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In article <55t1hm$jn3@lore.sprynet.com>, Miloslav Bilik wrote:
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>You're mixing two cases, I presume you're speaking about Faurisson's
>academic misfortunes he deserved.
>
No in April 1991 a Paris thought crime court ordered Faurission to pay a
penalty of 250000 francs because of an interview he gave to a French
magazine Le Choc du Mois. I am referring to the bizarre French Fabius-
Gayssot law that forbids the expression of disbelief in the Holocaust 
story.
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Nov 30 11:29:14 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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In article , Bruce Forest wrote:
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>So, legal safe abortion is worse than the Shoah. In addition to obviously
>knowing NOTHING about the Holocaust, you have just offended million of
>people, and insulted the memory of millions more.
>
>You have no right to post obscenity like that, and I will prevent you from
>doing so.
>
 Hey I do not owe the alleged victims of the socalled holocaust anything.
I could not care less if some Jews get offended or feel that some memory 
is insulted. I think that time has come for the world to forget the 
holocaust, whether it happened or not. The Jews and Germans can remember it 
but not the rest of the world. One thing is certain, more human beings have 
been exterminated by abortion than by the alleged holocaust.


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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Nov 30 11:29:15 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:04:19 +0100
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In article <57k2h4$33r$1@gruvel.une.edu.au>, ibokor wrote:
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>No. The modern French are a mixed bunch indeed.
>
I agree but the Celtic part is the predominant element. Like the people of 
Britain is predominant Germanic with a heavy Celtic in mixture. My original
objection was to call the French and the French speaking Belgians Germanic.
Celtic would have been closer to the truth.
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Dec  1 16:07:10 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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In article <57o832$gl1@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>, Steven Malcolm Ande wrote:
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> Crawl back into your hole, Nazi scum.
>
I am not a nazi, and I have never been. But anyway, why should I pay the 
victims of Adolph Hitler more respect than the victims of Djengis Khan?

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