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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Denmark during WW2
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In article <49on6e$mqn@nimitz.fibr.net>, hmazal@txdirect.net wrote:

>How a person of (presumably) Danish descent can possibly forget what his 
>own country suffered during the Nazi occupation is beyond comprehension.
>
>Shame, Mr. Kreiberg, shame!
>
>Harry W. Mazal
>
What do you know about Denmark Mr. Mazal? Have you ever lived here? I have  
enclosed some facts about Denmark during WW2. 


         The situation in Denmark was quite untypical in comparison to
       other countries occupied by Germany. This was however not so much
       due to the Germans, but rather because of fact that the legal
       Danish Government did not chicken out and run away such as the
       governments of e.g. Norway and Holland. After the legal
       governments had left these two countries and thereby left the
       populations at pleasure of the Germans, it was possible to install
       German puppet governments such as the Quisling government in
       Norway. In Denmark the legal and democratic elected government was
       in charge, and the country remained formally neutral. There was
       even a neutral Danish army and navy existing side by side with the
       German.

         It is not fair to describe these politicians as nazi-
       collaborators, because the Germans did not interfere with internal
       Danish affairs that had no consequence for the safety of the
       German army. Germany had only occupied Denmark because of military
       strategical reasons, the same way that other parts of the then
       Danish kingdom such as the Faroe Islands and Iceland were occupied
       by the English and the Americans. It is therefore not correct
       maintain that Denmark was nazi-occupied. It was only occupied by
       the German army. No national socialist ideology or other features
       were enforced. E.g. therefore the Danish Jews never had to wear
       Jew stars.

         Before the election in the spring of 1943, the Germans had asked
       the voters to vote for the Danish nazi-party, while the resistance
       wanted the voters to vote blank or stay at home. However only 2
       per cent voted for the nazi-party and only 2 voted blank. A poll
       of 89,5 per cent was recorded, which is the highest ever. 96 per
       cent of the population voted for the "stay out of trouble" policy
       of the government. After the war the voters again elected the same
       political parties, and Wilhelm Buhl, who was prime minister a
       period during the war, was prime minister again. Everything were
       legal and according to the constitution. If the people had been
       very dissatisfied with the Government, it had a perfect
       opportunity to express it in these elections.

         I myself was not born during WW2, but I am sure that I would
       have been among the above-mentioned 96 per cent, who supported the
       legal and constitutional government and stayed out of trouble,
       such as my parents and grandparents did.

       Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Dec  4 06:56:41 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Edeiken's Frenzied Accusation
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In article <49o0l0$sq5@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>>  It may very well be a mistake. However I was just quoting somebody else. 
>>  Unless Ernst Zundel or Ivan Lagace step forward and elaborate their
>>  allegation we can say that expolding bodies are as doubtful as the allega-
>>  tion that tall flames were shooting out the chimneys of the crematories day
>>  and night, such as many former inmates from the German concentration camps
>>  claim. 
>> 
>>>>>
>       You most certainly were not quoting anybody else.  You have, to
>date, refused to provide such a quotation.  In fact, another revisionist has
>told you that the allegation you made was not in the record.
>
I can understand that you have not read everything, I have been written. 
I have stated several times that I have the information from an article by 
Ernst Zundel which apeared in the German magazine, Kritik from May 1988. 
The issue or rather booklet have the ISBN 87-87063-32-8 and is of course 
banned in STASI-Germany. On page 12 you can read the following:

"Er [Ivan Lagace] bewies anhand seiner Krematoriumsbuecher, dass nicht mehr  
als 3 Verbrennungen an einem Tage in einer Retorte vorgenommen werden 
koennen. Nach der ersten Verbrennung muss eine abkuehlungspause von 1 Stunde
eingelegt werden, weil sonst die neueingeschobenen Leichen infolge der 
ernormen Hitze explodieren und Feuer fangen wuerden. Das Resultat waere die
Zerstoerung des Krematoriums und ein beschleunigtes Zerspringen und Abbrechen
der feurfesten Auskleidung im Ofen. Eine neue Ofenausmauerung wuerde aber
das Krematorium fuer laenger als eine Woche ausfallen lassen und danach 
wuerde es einen Monat Dauern, bis sich der Ofenkomplex langsam einarbeitet
- mit nicht mehr als 2 Verbrennungen am Tage.

Are you able to prove that the above mentioned article does not exist,
lawyer Edeiken? 

I must however strongly emphasize that I do not necessarily agree with all
of the content in the above-mentioned quotation.

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Dec  4 07:14:34 PST 1995
Article: 7089 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: The Escape of the Danish Jews to Sweden during WW2
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         The 50 anniversary of the of escape of the 7000 Danish Jews in
       October 1943 to Sweden were celebrated by the American Jews.
       According to the American Jews it was the whole Danish people and
       nation that out of some kind of "heroism" saved the Jews.
         As a Gentile Dane I find this embarrassing and nauseating.
       When this event is mentioned it is often forgotten how much money
       "heroic" Danes received for their effort. An example from the
       book, October 1943 by the former anti-German resistance leader
       Aage Berthelsen page 67-69 shows that a skipper received 100000
       DKR (app. US$ 16000) for sailing 230 Jews to Sweden the night
       between the 8th and 9th October 1943. Exactly how much this sum of
       money corresponds to today after 52 years of inflation I am not
       sure, but in 1943 a skilled worker in Denmark earned around 5000
       DKR (app. US$ 800) per year. The skipper had bought the boat for
       25000 DKR (app. US$ 4000). This means that he received 4 times the
       value of the boat for a single trip over the narrow sound between
       Denmark and Sweden. Because the engine of the boat was not able to
       start that night a "heroic" fishing boat skipper scored further
       17000 DKR (app. US$ 2600) for towing the boat to Sweden.
         Beside the Jew transportations many Danes also earned well on
       deliveries of war material, provisions etc to the Germans. In fact
       Denmark had the highest standard of living among all the countries
       in Europe involved in the war including Germany.
         Concerning Sweden that received the Jews it should be mentioned
       that Sweden gave the Germans permission to send their military in
       transit through Sweden. When the elephants are fighting
       the mice are in danger of being trampled down, and for small
       neutral countries like Sweden and Denmark it was wise to be nice
       to everyone and thereby hoping to get as unharmed as possible out
       of the war. In Denmark 2 per cent of the population voted on the
       Danish Naziparty in the elections of 1939 and 1943, and 2 percent
       were affiliated with the resistance movement against the German
       occupation towards the end of the war. The remaining 96 per cent
       supported more or less the pragmatic neutrality policy of the
       legal Danish government.
         If it really was so important for the Germans to exterminate the
       Jews how come that high-ranking German officials in Denmark like
       Duckwitz, Best and Renthe-Fink all tried to dissuade the German
       government from apprehending and deporting the Danish Jews to
       camps in Central Europe. How could it be tolerated that Duckwitz
       on his "own" initiative went to Sweden before the escape in order
       to get the Swedish acceptance of the reception of the Danish Jews.
       Why happened all German patrol boats to be in harbour when the
       escape was going on? Why did not these German officials receive as
       much as a reprimand from their superiors in Berlin, when it was
       discovered that almost all of the Danish Jews had escaped.
         I think that there are much in this story that proves that it
       was not basically the plans of Germans to exterminate the Jews but
       only to get rid of them through emigration or deportation.

       Ole Kreiberg

--
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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         The 50 anniversary of the of escape of the 7000 Danish Jews in
       October 1943 to Sweden were celebrated by the American Jews.
       According to the American Jews it was the whole Danish people and
       nation that out of some kind of "heroism" saved the Jews.
         As a Gentile Dane I find this embarrassing and nauseating.
       When this event is mentioned it is often forgotten how much money
       "heroic" Danes received for their effort. An example from the
       book, October 1943 by the former anti-German resistance leader
       Aage Berthelsen page 67-69 shows that a skipper received 100000
       DKR (app. US$ 16000) for sailing 230 Jews to Sweden the night
       between the 8th and 9th October 1943. Exactly how much this sum of
       money corresponds to today after 52 years of inflation I am not
       sure, but in 1943 a skilled worker in Denmark earned around 5000
       DKR (app. US$ 800) per year. The skipper had bought the boat for
       25000 DKR (app. US$ 4000). This means that he received 4 times the
       value of the boat for a single trip over the narrow sound between
       Denmark and Sweden. Because the engine of the boat was not able to
       start that night a "heroic" fishing boat skipper scored further
       17000 DKR (app. US$ 2600) for towing the boat to Sweden.
         Beside the Jew transportations many Danes also earned well on
       deliveries of war material, provisions etc to the Germans. In fact
       Denmark had the highest standard of living among all the countries
       in Europe involved in the war including Germany.
         Concerning Sweden that received the Jews it should be mentioned
       that Sweden gave the Germans permission to send their military in
       transit through Sweden. When the elephants are fighting
       the mice are in danger of being trampled down, and for small
       neutral countries like Sweden and Denmark it was wise to be nice
       to everyone and thereby hoping to get as unharmed as possible out
       of the war. In Denmark 2 per cent of the population voted on the
       Danish Naziparty in the elections of 1939 and 1943, and 2 percent
       were affiliated with the resistance movement against the German
       occupation towards the end of the war. The remaining 96 per cent
       supported more or less the pragmatic neutrality policy of the
       legal Danish government.
         If it really was so important for the Germans to exterminate the
       Jews how come that high-ranking German officials in Denmark like
       Duckwitz, Best and Renthe-Fink all tried to dissuade the German
       government from apprehending and deporting the Danish Jews to
       camps in Central Europe. How could it be tolerated that Duckwitz
       on his "own" initiative went to Sweden before the escape in order
       to get the Swedish acceptance of the reception of the Danish Jews.
       Why happened all German patrol boats to be in harbour when the
       escape was going on? Why did not these German officials receive as
       much as a reprimand from their superiors in Berlin, when it was
       discovered that almost all of the Danish Jews had escaped.
         I think that there are much in this story that proves that it
       was not basically the plans of Germans to exterminate the Jews but
       only to get rid of them through emigration or deportation.

       Ole Kreiberg

--
Truth alone triumphs. - Mundaka Upanisad 


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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         The 50 anniversary of the of escape of the 7000 Danish Jews in
       October 1943 to Sweden were celebrated by the American Jews.
       According to the American Jews it was the whole Danish people and
       nation that out of some kind of "heroism" saved the Jews.
         As a Gentile Dane I find this embarrassing and nauseating.
       When this event is mentioned it is often forgotten how much money
       "heroic" Danes received for their effort. An example from the
       book, October 1943 by the former anti-German resistance leader
       Aage Berthelsen page 67-69 shows that a skipper received 100000
       DKR (app. US$ 16000) for sailing 230 Jews to Sweden the night
       between the 8th and 9th October 1943. Exactly how much this sum of
       money corresponds to today after 52 years of inflation I am not
       sure, but in 1943 a skilled worker in Denmark earned around 5000
       DKR (app. US$ 800) per year. The skipper had bought the boat for
       25000 DKR (app. US$ 4000). This means that he received 4 times the
       value of the boat for a single trip over the narrow sound between
       Denmark and Sweden. Because the engine of the boat was not able to
       start that night a "heroic" fishing boat skipper scored further
       17000 DKR (app. US$ 2600) for towing the boat to Sweden.
         Beside the Jew transportations many Danes also earned well on
       deliveries of war material, provisions etc to the Germans. In fact
       Denmark had the highest standard of living among all the countries
       in Europe involved in the war including Germany.
         Concerning Sweden that received the Jews it should be mentioned
       that Sweden gave the Germans permission to send their military in
       transit through Sweden. When the elephants are fighting
       the mice are in danger of being trampled down, and for small
       neutral countries like Sweden and Denmark it was wise to be nice
       to everyone and thereby hoping to get as unharmed as possible out
       of the war. In Denmark 2 per cent of the population voted on the
       Danish Naziparty in the elections of 1939 and 1943, and 2 percent
       were affiliated with the resistance movement against the German
       occupation towards the end of the war. The remaining 96 per cent
       supported more or less the pragmatic neutrality policy of the
       legal Danish government.
         If it really was so important for the Germans to exterminate the
       Jews how come that high-ranking German officials in Denmark like
       Duckwitz, Best and Renthe-Fink all tried to dissuade the German
       government from apprehending and deporting the Danish Jews to
       camps in Central Europe. How could it be tolerated that Duckwitz
       on his "own" initiative went to Sweden before the escape in order
       to get the Swedish acceptance of the reception of the Danish Jews.
       Why happened all German patrol boats to be in harbour when the
       escape was going on? Why did not these German officials receive as
       much as a reprimand from their superiors in Berlin, when it was
       discovered that almost all of the Danish Jews had escaped.
         I think that there are much in this story that proves that it
       was not basically the plans of Germans to exterminate the Jews but
       only to get rid of them through emigration or deportation.

       Ole Kreiberg

--
Truth alone triumphs. - Mundaka Upanisad 


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg's Plan for Ethnic Cleansing
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In article <49l7ce$olg@amhux3.amherst.edu>, Josh Klein wrote:
>A most interesting thread.  Thank you, John, for bringing this to
>everybody's attention; for some reason, Mr. Kreiberg himself had not
>decided earlier to alert us to some of his, shall we say, intollerant
>views.
>
>I believe that Daniel Mittleman has already asked the most important
>follow-up question, but there are some others which deserve to be
>asked.  First, would Mr. Kreiberg envision stripping the non-Danes
>of their property as part of their expatriation?

Unfortunately Daniel Mittleman's follow-up has not yet turned up on my 
server.

I proposed that those who left within one year should receive 70000 DKR 
(13000$). So why should they be stripped of their property? Furthermore
private property is inviolable according to the Danish constitution. Denmark
is a wealthy country, so of course they should be allowed to take everything
with them that they have gained in a legal manner.  

>
>Second, how does Mr. Kreiberg decide who is and who is not ethnically
>Danish?  I gather that it is not a question of minimum residency...
>Would Jews, in particular, be called non-Danish?

Before 1965 Denmark was almost 100 per cent ethnic homogeneous. If you 
convert all new citizenships issued to citizens of non-European descent after 
this year, the problem would be as good as solved. 

Concerning the Jews. There have always been very few Jews in Denmark. There- 
fore there have not been so much resentment towards them either. (Of course
there was the so-called Jew feud back in 1819, where Danish mobs overall
in the country dragged the Jews out of their houses in order to beat them 
up. If the Danish military had not come to their rescue, the number of Jews
in Denmark today would have been even smaller. The king in those days was 
probably very nervous of what unauthorized riots could turn into, having in 
mind what happened to the French king a few decades earlier). 

  Almost all the Danish Jews support Zionism. According to the Zionist 
ideology all Jews are, no matter where they live, really of Israeli 
nationality. According to Zionism the Jews are not just a religious group but
a nationality. Some decades ago the Israeli head of state Ben Gurion once 
said to the Danish jews during a visit to Denmark, that they should all come 
to Israel and settle. He even said something like that those who rejected 
were traitors to the Jewish cause. (In november 1975 a majority of all the 
nations of the world in the UN General Assembly in november 1975, declared 
Zionism a racist ideology). However most danish Jews got their citizensship
before 1965 and there is less than 10000. 

>enquiring minds want to know...

Ole Kreiberg

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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> Why can the world not learn something from what the communists did? 
>
>The world does. But it's the same lection. 

  I see things from a Danish perpective. The Danes did reject both nazism
and communism, and they did so solely by democratic means, that is by the 
ballot paper. There were of course both a small and insignificant nazi-party
once and a communist-party, but they were never regarded a threat. That is 
why all the parties in the Danish parliament today are against the banning 
of parties and of restrictions in the freedom of speech. Even democracy 
itself was introduced in a peaceful manner in Denmark in 1848, unlike e.g. 
France where the King,Queen and nobility were killed in the process. 

>means not violating them. Just that it became visible in 1945 by the breakdown
>of Nazi-Germany whereas the world did have not much knowledge about the 
>cruelties of the GULAG.
>
>Anyhow, according to a very courageous Russian lady who suffered and did 
>survive both, there is a basic difference. "It is not the cruelty. We are 
>used to cruelty. We did suffer in Zaristic times, we did suffer from Stalin.
>What makes the difference is being thought of and treated as 'minderwertig'
>(inferior) by being born as Russian, Georgian etc. That is what makes it
>so hard to forgive. One may forgive being beaten, but having been beaten 
>because regarded as inferior, as sub-human, is quite different."
>
>Best explanation I ever heard so far.

There will always be somebody who regard themselves superior to somebody
else. The upperclass regard themselves superior to the "lower" classes etc.
This goes for different nationalities and ethnic groups too. 
>
>
>> How come that the Gunther Deckert, the leader of the NPD has been thrown into
>> prison? His party is not illegal and therefore not a nazi-party. 
>
>It is a neo-nazistic-party, but a legal one. Deckert was set free at first. 
>That was revised as he did not simply doubt or deny the holocaust but
>did use the denial for winning political followers and to spread racistic 
>propaganda (Volksverhetzung - can anyone help with an English word for that ?).
>
"Volksverhetzung" would mean smear campaigning against other ethnic groups. 
By the way would my plan to create a ethnic pure Denmark, which John Morris 
>from  the Nizkor project posted, be regarded "Volkverhetzung" in Germany? I
am just curious?
>
>> It is a grave flaw in the human rights, if the spread of neo-nazis is not
>> protected. 
>
>Why ?  As the nazistic view of the world does call for massive violation of
>human rights - in fact it objects the bare existence of something like human
>rights - why should it be allowed to spread out those views ?

My view on nazism is not so negative as yours. There is a Danish proverb
saying:"One should not throw out the baby with the bath water". Although  
much in nazism was indeed very bad and extremist I also find something 
positive.  

>
>Concerning freedom of speech imagine I would state that all Kreibergs are 
>the scum of the earth. Freedom of speech ?  Imagine I could convince most of 
>your neighbours, that you are part of the scum of the earth by using false
>claims, distortions and fictuous but plausibly presented "facts".  Still 
>freedom of speech ?  Imagine further I would manage to convince them that it 
>would be a good idea to kill you. Freedom of speech ?  By the way I would 
>sell your neighbours the weapons they might need if the scum does attack them.
>
The Danish constitution states clearly that is forbidden to agitate for
the use of violence. Furthermore there are several laws that make it
illegal to make threats, slander and libel against idividuals as well 
as of groups of both Danes or ethnic groups.

>If still freedom of speech, what about engaging a professional killer ?
>Freedom of entrepreneurship ?
>
Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Dec  5 08:27:49 PST 1995
Article: 15078 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The STASIS are watching us
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> I think that the Germans were out only to improve Germany and not the whole
>> of humanity. The Germans passed laws to prevent miscegenation. 
>
>Leaving alone the fact that miscegenation is a racial concept, they did a 
>lot more at that time. They kicked out non-Arians from employment. They did 
>work out a plan to exterminate gypsies, Jews and Slavs. And after succession
>with that the next step would have been the rest of the world. At least 
>according to Hitlers "Mein Kampf". "Today it's Germany, tomorrow the whole 
>world." to use a well known phrase. 
>   By the way: according to the Nazis Denmark is German. "Von der Maas 
>(Belgium) bis an die Memel (Poland), von der Etsch (Italy) bis an den Belt
>(Denmark/Sweden)" to cite a common song. 

  Here I must strongly object. First of all this song is older than the
nazism. By the Belt is meant Lillebelt. From 1864-1920 the whole of
the old duchy of Slesvig/Scleswig was under German rule, and the border
between Denmark and Germany was further North than today. Germany went so 
far north as to Lillebelt. That is, what is meant by Belt. 
The above-mentioned song refers to the borders of Germany before 1914 and 
nothing else.

  Denmark is certainly not German. Even the Nazis would never had claimed
such absurd nonsens. Hitler wanted to have a friendly relationship to the
*Nordic* countries. However he knew that this would be difficult to achieve 
to the Danes who he called terrible German haters (schreckliche Deutsch-
fressern). This animosity toward Germany and German-ness dates back to the 
the wars fought between Denmark and Germany in 1848 and 1864. The first war
started as regular civil-war between the Germans and the Danes over the 
status of the old bi-lingual duchy of Slesvig/Schleswig. Later the war
turned into a regular war between Denmark and Prussia. Denmark defeated 
Prussia in the battle of Isted - a thing that the Danes are quite proud of, 
and The Germans tend to forget. On the other hand the Germans have no 
difficulties in remembering the second war in 1964, which they won. However 
the underlying problems were very of the same nature as those in e.g. 
Northern Ireland and the former Yugoslavia of today. Hitler however declared
that this was a local problem and should not have any influence on the 
relationship between Germany and the Scandinavian countries. The border is
not going to be changed he said much to the disapproval of the German
minority living in the south of Denmark and much to the relief of the Danish 
people and government.

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Dec  5 08:27:50 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <49ungc$b1e@mn5.swip.net>, Erik Robertson wrote:
>Dear Ole,
>
>Pardon my curiosity, but Kreiberg, that's not a Danish name, is it...?
>
The name Kreiberg descents from a Danish village in Jutland by the name
Kreibjerg. Originally it was a middle name. My father was baptized 
Kreiberg Andersen but later he dropped Andersen, a very a common name in
Denmark. How and when the "J" was dropped I do not know exactly.

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Dec  6 08:18:04 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The STASIS are watching us
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In article <4a1fbp$lhn@cony.gsf.de>, Henrik Ernoe  wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
> 2nd small error: The battle of Isted in the war of 1848. Denmark did not defeat Prussia, but the army of the German Slesvig-Holsten=
>ers and voluteers from other german states. Prussia was not directly involved in this war, unlike the following of 1864, where Pruss=
>ia and Austria defeated Denmark.
>
  There was a Prussian expeditionary force involved. In July 1850 peace was 
made between Denmark and Prussia. You are right that in the battle of Isted 
there were only the German rebels of Slesvig-Holsten and their fellow 
Germans from other German states. I admit a small error.


>3nd major error. That Hitler and the Nazis did not want to Germanify the Danes and the other Scandinavian peoples!.
> 
>This is not correct. In the very detailed plans developed for Europe after 
the Nazi victory by Rosenberg, Hess, Himmler and others, 
>the Danes, Norwegian and Swedish had the "honor" of being regarded as the 
>most "valuable" and therefore those who where suppossed to=
> be included in the German "Volk" as the first (Of course the Slavs, Jews 
>and Gypsies where suppossed to be exterminated!). In this =
>plan DK was suppossed to be a large tourist and holiday camp as well as be 
>the butter and beef provider for the German Volk, while f=
>or example Bergen in Norway was suppossed to be rebuilt city of 1 million 
>serving as the Atlantic port of the German Reich, the Norw=
>egian population of Bergen were suppossed to be deported and the city 
>resettled by real Germans.
>The is also another incident which proves O.K. wrong. During the socalled 
>"telegram"-crisis  between Hitler and The danish King, Hit=
>ler was furious over and perceived diplomatic affront by the King and 
>complained that no offers regarding a border revision had been=
> offered by the Danes, however he decided to let the matter rest until 
>after war.
>
If any of this is true I wonder why you can not read about it in the history
books. You often hear the allegation that Hitler was not interested in 
Denmark at all. The so-called negotiation policy of the Danish government
aimed at preserving both the sovereignty and democracy of Denmark while
making concession in the field of foreign policy. I think, if Germany had
won the war, the relationship between Denmark and Germany would have been
very much like the one between Finland and the Sovjet-Union in the post-war
period. Which grazy fantasies the Germans might have thought up concerning
Norway, where the legal government had fled and left Norway at pleasure of
the Germans, I do not know much of. 

Concerning the so-called "telegram"-crises it is strange that my Danish 
encyclopaedia (Gyldendal) says that this crisis was caused by King 
Christian X's short telegram of thanks for Hitler's congratulation on his
Birthday the 26.09.42. The conventional form of the telegram offended 
Hitler. It says nothing about changing of the borders. If the Germans had
wanted the borders changed they could just do the same, as they did toward 
other countries concerning areas with a considerable or even predominant 
German population (Sudetenland, Posen, Memel etc.). 

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Dec  9 17:32:35 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Denmark during WW2
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In article <4aaolb$akm@nimitz.fibr.net>, hmazal@txdirect.net wrote:
>
>Mr. Kreiburg has been defending the Nazi invasion of Denmark for the past
>several posts on this thread. He has made severely anti-Semitic statements and
>claimed that the Danes that saved the Jews did so for money.

 I have never approved of the German occupation of Denmark during WW2. Not 
even the Danish nazi-party approved of this occupation. I have critized the 
Jews and others for using the escape of the Danish Jews in their
propaganda in favour of the the multi-ethnic society. The latter is my real
concern and not something which happened 50 years ago, several years 
before I was born. Have I really made severely anti-semitic statements :-D ?

>
>2) That the actions of the Danish people in saving their Jews was an example of 
>kindness not often seen during World War II.

It was not the whole Danish people who helped the Jews to escape, but a
few associated with the resistance. Everything about this action was of
course secret. Most people first heard of it, when it was over.
To thank the whole people for this would be as wrong as if Hitler had won
the war, and then had thanked the whole Danish people, because of the few 
thousand Danes fought as voluntaries in the Waffen-SS.
>
>3) That Mr. Kreiburg is a Nazi sympathizer and beneath all contempt.

  I am not a nazi and have never been. I regard nazism as particular 
German phenomena. On the other hand I certainly do not approve of the 
multi-ethnic society and miscegenation either. 

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Dec 11 22:14:42 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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 In article <4af5js$s5k@cony.gsf.de>, Henrik Ernoe  wrote:
>
>       That Kreidberg now brings in members of the WWII resistence in 
>support of his xenophobic views, only makes me wonder how they can c=
>hoose to associate with people like him. And as long as The Danish 
>Association doesn't publicly dissociate themselves from the Kreid=
>bergs, their claim to be Danish patriots rings hollow. 

I was not born during WW2. Do you think that he finds it important what to 
his mind may be a "greenhorn" like me thinks about something, I in his 
mind know nothing about. On the other hand when the patriots are meeting,
WW2 is never the issue, although some the older people tend to use the
same rhetoric, as the resistance did. And I could really care less of that,
because today the struggle is about having the immigration checked and
all the undesired immigrants sent back. Nazi-Germany was beaten 50 years
ago, and who is really interested in making an issue out of this. Furthermore
it is important by all means to avoid the creation of division. 
>
Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Dec 11 22:14:42 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>To add to Mr. Erno's article: the former Danish member of the
>anti-Nazi resistance probably didn't refer to Danes who fought
>the Nazis as a "bunch of terrorists", like Kreiberg had.
>
>Such a nice "anti-Nazi Danish patriot", this Krieberg fellow,
>is he not? So why does he call the members of the Danish anti-Nazi
>resistance "terrorists"? The mind boggles...
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
>
>-- 
>Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in blood.
>
>-Lu Xun.

 A part of the activities of the resistance were the printing and 
distribution of uncencured underground newspapers. If this man only was
engaged in this kind of activities, he can of course not be called a 
terrorist. By the way my father helped the resistance with spreading
these illegal newspapers, but he never participated in any violent
acts. I have stated before, that the reason I do not approve of the violent
acts of the resistance, is that I regard these actions as unnecessary,  
as long as the Germans did not threaten the sovereigty Denmark seriously.
If they had made attempts to annex Nordslesvig or even to incoperate the
rest of Denmark in Germany, I think that all sorts of violent acts would
be appropiate and justified. In my opinion it was the timing and the motives
that were wrong. To me the defense of Danish interests would of course
have been the most important in this matter.

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Dec 13 19:06:31 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The Escape of the Danish Jews to Sweden during WW2
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In article <4acrhd$f9q@cony.gsf.de>, Henrik Ernoe  wrote:
>
>
>
>The second point of the discussion is your claim that "In Denmark 2 per cent of the population voted on the Danish Naziparty in the =
>elections of 1939 and 1943, and 2 percent were affiliated with the resistance movement against the German occupation towards the end=
> of the war. The remaining 96 per cent supported more or less the pragmatic neutrality policy of the legal Danish government".
> 
>This number is false. 
>
>Regardles whether we discuss the demonstrations in Copenhagen and other 
>cities against Scavenius and the Antikomintern-pact or the s=
>trikes in 43, both clearly showed that 96% of the population did not support 
>the governments policy. 

  They did vote for those parties behind the negotiation policy in the 
elections both in 1943 and after the war. Don't you agree that the voters  
have a responsibility for what their politicians are doing. If people were
so discontended with the politicians, as you claim, why did they then
vote for these politicians? The ballot box is a perfect place to show
your discontend with policies of your government.

>>You claim that "Torture was only used by the Gestapo to make prisoners 
>>inform against their comrades and their activities. When Gest=
>>apo assumed that the prisoner had no more information, the torture stopped."
>
>This is wrong.
>
>1.) first; if Gestapo (or their Danish helpers) did not get the information 
>the torture continued. Several people died because of th=
>is in Vestre as well as in the German Prison in Aarhus Universitets 
>kollegier.

13 persons altogther were murdered in the Gestapo-headquarters in Denmark
according to the official statistics.

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Dec 13 19:06:32 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Denmark during WW2
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In article , Marty Kelley  wrote:
>On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>
>>  I have never approved of the German occupation of Denmark during WW2. Not 
>> even the Danish nazi-party approved of this occupation. I have critized the 
>> Jews and others for using the escape of the Danish Jews in their       ^^^
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                  ^^^^^^^^
>> propaganda in favour of the the multi-ethnic society. The latter is my real
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> concern and not something which happened 50 years ago, several years 
>> before I was born. Have I really made severely anti-semitic statements :-D ?
>
> [snip]
>
>>   I am not a nazi and have never been. I regard nazism as particular 
>> German phenomena. On the other hand I certainly do not approve of the 
>> multi-ethnic society and miscegenation either. 
> 
>I don't know if it's "severe" or not (compared to what?), but claiming 
>that "the Jews" are behind "miscegenation" and "race-mixing" is a classic 
>racist, white-supremacist, and, yes, Nazi rhetorical strategy.  German 
>Nazis claimed that Jews were sapping Germany's moral character, the Ku 
>Klux Klan claimed that Jews were the primary "outside agitators" behind 
>the American civil rights movement, and you seem to be falling in line 
>with the same rhetoric (although I appreciate the "and others"--I'm 
>assuming you mean "race-traitors" like me?)
>
  Hmmm, if the shoe fits. Anyway most Jews seem to be very loud in denouncing 
all sort of racism except their own. In 1975 a majority of all the nations 
of the world in the UN General Assembly declared that zionism is a racist 
ideology. Israel accepts only Jews as immigrants. E.g how many viet-
namese boat refugees has Israel received? Has Israel received non-jewish 
refugees at all? Have you ever heard some of all those Jews that speak 
out in favour of a liberal immigration policy in e.g. Denmark and USA, 
complain about the immigration policy of Israel? No, these Jews are all 
supporting zionism and Israel. 

Ole Kreiberg
                                                    
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Dec 17 23:23:20 PST 1995
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In article <4aortq$39u@cony.gsf.de>, Henrik Erno  wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>>
>
>Secondly, THERE WAS NO POSSILITY TO VOTE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT. 

Hmm. What do you think of the party "Dansk Samling". It was elected to
the parliament in 1943, and was not known to be particular pro-German. Then 
there was the possibilty of staying home or voting blank. However 89,5 
per cent chose to participate - the highest participation ever recorded.

>
>Third, that a large part of the population takes to the streets as a protest 
against Denmarks signing the Antikomintern pact also sh=
>ow that it is wrong to state that 96% of the Danes supported the policy of 
neutrality.

The demonstration against the Anti-comintern pact was mostly attended by 
university students, and was not particular big. By the way my father 
attended that demonstration. 
                                                         
>
>But I do not expect anything else from a person whom refers to the 
>resistence as "terrorists" or spends his time lecturing holocaust=
> denial for the DNP.
>
  You mean the NPD. NPD is not a nazi-party. It does not want to do abolish
democracy or the social welfare-state. It only wants to deport all 
non-europeans - that is all. It is not a revolutionary party.

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Dec 31 08:59:03 PST 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Edeiken Sees "Nazis" on Every Streetcorner
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In article <4c538k$4sf@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>      
>>  
>>>>>
>       Other than the fact that your bigotry blinds you to both irony
>and sarcasm. do you have a point, nazi boy?
>
>       --YFE

Nazi boy?? You never get tired of airing your paranoid delusion of me being 
a "nazi". You think very much like your deceased compatriot Senator Joseph 
McCarthy. Everyone who showed the slightest symphathy or understanding for 
communism in the USA in the fifties were cried up as dangerous communists. 
The same with you and others in this newsgroup and elsewhere, you simply see 
"nazis" on every street corner.  

  You may say that the German nazis suffered from paranoid delusions about
Jewish conspiracies. What have the Jews and the Germans 50 years ago then in 
common? They both suffer or suffered from megalomania. The jews (or some 
them) believe that they are God's chosen people. The Germans thought they 
were the master race and were superior to all others. Allthough the Germans
just based their alleged superiority on race and biology, the Jews are basing 
theirs on divinity. A common concomitant phenomenon of megalomania is
paranoia. I still think it is more common for megalomaniacs to base their 
delusions on divinity. I have never heard of patients in psychiatritic 
hospitals expressing delusions of biological superiority. 

  The above mentioned article A Real Case against Jews is a very good example
of Jewish megalomania, although it does not explicit mention anything about
the Jews as the chosen people.

Ole Kreiberg
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                    The Importance of the Jewish Tale of Woe

         It is very difficult for me to understand, why exactly it is the
       fate of Jews during WW2 that cannot be questioned, when you can do
       so about all other historical events.

         In the USA there has been built a special holocaust museum in
       spite of the fact that the American Jews have never suffered any
       particular harm and have always been among the most well educated
       and affluent. One could ask oneself whether it had been more
       appropriate if there were built a museum for the fate of the Red
       Indians or the Negro slavery. Why has the sufferings of Jews an
       exceptional position in proportion to other ethnic groups?

         Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Jewish organisation
       Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (New York) in ADL On the
       Frontline, January 1994 p. 2 , gives the following answer to this
       question:

         "The Holocaust is something different. It is a singular event.
       It is not simply one example of genocide but a near successful
       attempt on the life of God's chosen children and thus, on God
       Himself. It is an event that is the antithesis of Creation as
       recorded in the Bible; and like it's direct opposite, which is
       relived weekly with the Sabbath and yearly with Torah, it must be
       remembered from generation to generation"

         So it is, because the Jews according religious scriptures regard
       themselves as God's chosen people that the sufferings of the Jews
       are regarded as more important, than that of other peoples.

         Just as the ecclesiastical inquisition a couple centuries ago
       persecuted people with dissident religious views, are people, who
       today refuse to submit to the holocaust-cult in obscure and semi-
       authoritarian countries such as Germany and France - believe or
       not - sentenced to prison.

         I therefore do not think that Denmark in any way should assist
       Germany in it's bizarre witch-hunt on the so-called holocaust
       deniers.

         (Translation of a letter to the editor by me printed in a Danish
       newspaper on 9/9-94)

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Right now the frenzied German government is attempting to restrict the 
freedom of speech not only for it's own citizens but also for the citizens 
of the rest of the world. On the 9/9-95 I had a letter to the editor printed
in a Danish newspaper (Information). The following is an english translation 
of this letter:

                      The Importance of the Jewish Tale of Woe

         It is very difficult for me to understand, why exactly it is the
       fate of Jews during WW2 that cannot be questioned, when you can do
       so about all other historical events.

         In the USA there has been built a special holocaust museum in
       spite of the fact that the American Jews have never suffered any
       particular harm and have always been among the most well educated
       and affluent. One could ask oneself whether it had been more
       appropriate if there were built a museum for the fate of the Red
       Indians or the Negro slavery. Why has the sufferings of Jews an
       exceptional position in proportion to other ethnic groups?

         Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Jewish organisation
       Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (New York) in ADL On the
       Frontline, January 1994 p. 2 , gives the following answer to this
       question:

         "The Holocaust is something different. It is a singular event.
       It is not simply one example of genocide but a near successful
       attempt on the life of God's chosen children and thus, on God
       Himself. It is an event that is the antithesis of Creation as
       recorded in the Bible; and like it's direct opposite, which is
       relived weekly with the Sabbath and yearly with Torah, it must be
       remembered from generation to generation"

         So it is, because the Jews according religious scriptures regard
       themselves as God's chosen people that the sufferings of the Jews
       are regarded as more important, than that of other peoples.

         Just as the ecclesiastical inquisition a couple centuries ago
       persecuted people with dissident religious views, are people, who
       today refuse to submit to the holocaust-cult in obscure and semi-
       authoritarian countries such as Germany and France - believe it or
       not - sentenced to prison.

         I therefore do not think that Denmark in any way should assist
       Germany in it's bizarre witch-hunt on the so-called holocaust
       deniers.

       Ole Kreiberg

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