From email@example.com Fri Oct 29 19:04:05 EDT 1999 Article: 378974 of sci.skeptic Path: hub.org!hub.org!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Milton John Kleim, Jr.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.california,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.asatru Subject: Re: Record: Rape of White woman was initiation Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:32:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 117 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <38103D82.4AD1879B@usaor.net> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <38159DC9.3C690B0B@usaor.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 184.108.40.206 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 29 22:32:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 220.127.116.11 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkleim Xref: hub.org alt.politics.nationalism.white:445910 alt.california:191847 sci.skeptic:378974 alt.religion.asatru:44305 ipm writes: > even even if I was destitute and living in a tent somewhere, > I'd still have at least a cheap laptop and a phoneline. I'd > still be fighting subversion. That's the difference between > myself and some other dedicated racialists as compared to > phonies like Milton Kleim and Irene Zundel. No, jackass, the difference between you and me is that I realize posting bullshit to the Internet like you do does nothing for anyone, except to give you a vile hobby. I also realize that the life of a "racialist" is the life of a loser with no important responsibilities or healthy, sane interests for self-development. > In the case of Kleim, he had an ego the size of the Titanic... And your point is?? :-P Seriously, I do have an ego. I'm not ashamed of it. Having self- confidence and an appreciation for excellence is a large part of why I was able to leave the so-called "movement." I'm a life-long rebel, who questions all, and while I "rebelled" against a hated System into today's neo-Naziism, I also maintained my own identity, and sanity, and reluctantly (at the time) faced the fact I was really a loser, in cahoots with big losers like William Pierce, and little losers like you. > and racialism was just the latest way he could have his name > lights. I "entered" the "movement" in 1988. I wasn't well known until 1994. In these years, I studied, quietly, at home and at school, countless works from various sources. I wasn't "in it" for glory. Not until I was introduced to the Internet in 1993 did I see an opportunity to "make a difference" in a "movement" I knew at the time was thoroughly flawed. Ironically, I didn't "get an ego" like you're referring to until I was asked to join the National Alliance in 1995. My inherent qualities were why I was respected...and why I developed a big attitude. :-) > When all the glory he thought he deserved wasn't coming his way, he > bailed and found something new to play with. No, you simply can't accept that your judgment is impaired, as was mine. Being an armchair "general" spreading failed "solutions" and half-cocked opinions is a result of your delusion of grandeur. I left for one simple reason: I was wrong. No glory in being wrong, jackass. > Either way, people like this have some ulterior motives motives for > their involvement in racialism. You don't know me, nor did you ever. Take your opinion and shove it up your ass. I put everything into being a "good warrior" for the "movement," and I paid with a legacy I wish I didn't have, lost countless opportunities for personal development and an earlier career, and, hadn't I met my present partner, I'd continue to regret the relationships I forwent, or never knew I might have had, because I had my head up my ass doing what you're doing right now, and didn't pay attention to what's really important in life. > I am motivated by my desire to fight subversion of my race. That's > why I will stay in here using all the strength I have. Like hell you're fighting for your race. The evidence available indicates you're a lost soul like I was, struggling for the attention you accuse me of looking for when I was in the "movement," and pretending you're far more important than you are in the world. Face the facts, your rants on the Internet will change absolutely nothing. Nothing. That's N-O-T-H-I-N-G. You are wasting your life for a meaningless "cause." And the "cause" you're fighting for is not going to prevent any culture's genocide or the destruction of anything valuable in the world. > Above all, even if I someday became convinced that I was all wrong > and quit racialism, the last thing I would do is turn traitor > against all the people I knew and trusted in the movement as the > two previously mentioned person have done. The term "traitor" doesn't bother me a bit, because I know in my heart where I stood, and where I stand. If my former cult "friends" think me a traitor, so be it. When it came down to doing what I had to do, I EXPECTED to be deemed a "traitor." It's all part of the game. My real friends remained through the tough times. The fake friends, who valued me not as a a human being, or even as an Aryan, who attacked me, and wished me harm, were simply trash who I should never had honored with my own friendship. > That kind of activity speaks of a severe lack of character and > untrustworthiness. If so, then I have no character. But, if *I* have no character, where does that leave you? > Of course, the ADL and Nizkor prey on these weak-minded types > by stroking them, telling them they're "experts" and encouraging them > to spill their guts on all their former comrades. Ya know, even today I don't feel Ken McVay and I have a very good rapport, though I respect him. I've NEVER had any contact with the ADL, nor do I want any. I had a brief contact with the FBI in 1996, and while I was happy to meet with the two special agents, I had no interest in becoming an informant for them, despite the possible rewards or prestige I would have been accorded. I have no interest in playing these games between the System and the "movement." I spoke, and speak, only for myself, and I always shall. And in this fact lies the reason I left the "movement." Too bad you're too dumb or dense to realize it. -- Milton John Kleim, Jr. -- http://www.efn.org/~mjk/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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