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From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:37 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## You must have seen the photos of skeletal corpses being
## buried in the Ghetto.

# I never saw such photo,

That figures. You're a "revisionist scholar", right?

# althought they may exist but I would be surprised.

The photos are well-known. There was starvation in the
Warsaw ghetto. It's well-known.

# However, this has little importance: your methode to
# calculate this is not valid. You assume that the human
# body is of the density of water, and this is not correct,

So tell us what you think the density is.

People sink in water; fact. The average density of a human
being is rather close to that of water. This is a FACT.
I guess that the density of an emaciated person is even higher.

# You still bring your photo and claim that there's not
# 60% empty space: well, I don't know in this case,

Did you consider looking at the photo?

# but the way those people are pilled up in this case is
# not the same that what was given in the Treblinka story.

No major difference. Certainly not to account for such a
huge difference in the packing inefficiency.

# I'm saying that the total empty space between the
# corpses and inside the corpses is 60% or more, yes.

The "empty spaces inside the corpses" are irrelevant,
as they are covered in the density.

To suggest that 60 percent of the mass grave consists
of spaces between the corpses is simply absurd. You want
to say it, say it. You can also say that the moon is made
of green cheese; It's a free country, after all.

You've lost this debate, and you know it. Why can't you
just give up, and move to something else, like proving
that Hitler didn't exist?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:38 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW
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 writes:

# Respected authors such as Irving, for example, have well
# documented cases contradicting the jewish version of
# events in WWII.

How odd. This is the same David Irving who wrote in his
1977 book, "Hitler's War", the following:

p. 391:
                                                                    
 "..the Jews set out eastward under the direction of one of the
cruelest SS leaders, Brigadier Odilo Globonik, the Trieste-born
former Gauleiter of Vienna. Upon arrival at Auschwitz and Treblinka,
four in every ten were pronounced fit for work; the rest were
exterminated".



Irving also mentions the well-known letter from Wetzel to
Lohse, October 25 1941, regarding the decision to murder Jews
"unfit for work" using poison gas (see page 330).

# Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found
# documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there,
# according to recently released Soviet documents.

How odd. Look at the report written by SS-Sturmbannfuehrer 
Gricksch for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, after 
inspection of Auschwitz camp on 14-16 May 1943 ("Hitler and the Final 
Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, 
p. 142-143). Gricksch states in the report that, so far, 500,000
Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz; and this is in mid-1943. Only
"revisionist logic" can explain how the total number of victims
decreased, to reach 72,000 in 1945.

The truth, however, is rather different. The death lists that
"acumen" refers to are not only partial, but they cover only
those inmates who were admitted to the camp, had their names
recorded, and assigned a serial number. Since the large majority
were murdered upon arrival, they were not assigned a serial
number, and no one, of course, bothered to write their names
down - that would have been a complete waste of time.

Another indicator to the number of victims is the amount of 
cremation furnaces in the camp. As even the "revisionist"
agree, Auschwitz-Birkenau had 5 crematoriums, with a total
of 52 cremation furnaces. Had "only" 72,000 people died in
the camp in 5 years, that would amount to about 40 deaths
every day. One small crematorium, with 4 cremation furnaces,
would have been more than enough to deal with this number
of victims.

According to a letter from SS-man Jahrling to SS-General Kammler,
the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau could burn 
4,756 corpses in 24 working hours (see a photo of this letter 
in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
furnace-capacity.jpg). Obviously, there would have been no
need for such cremation capacity if 40 people would die every
day, on the average.

But, I guess that people like "leading revisionist", Ernst
Zundel, who claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing
Reich using "secret UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth
via a "hole in the South-Pole", have a different view of things.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:39 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW
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References:   <57unpq$1sj@freenet-news.carleton.ca>  writes:

# Respected authors such as Irving, for example, have well
# documented cases contradicting the jewish version of
# events in WWII.

How odd. This is the same David Irving who wrote in his
1977 book, "Hitler's War", the following:

p. 391:

 "..the Jews set out eastward under the direction of one of the
cruelest SS leaders, Brigadier Odilo Globonik, the Trieste-born
former Gauleiter of Vienna. Upon arrival at Auschwitz and Treblinka,
four in every ten were pronounced fit for work; the rest were
exterminated".



Irving also mentions the well-known letter from Wetzel to
Lohse, October 25 1941, regarding the decision to murder Jews
"unfit for work" using poison gas (see page 330).

# Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found
# documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there,
# according to recently released Soviet documents.

How odd. Look at the report written by SS-Sturmbannfuehrer
Gricksch for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, after
inspection of Auschwitz camp on 14-16 May 1943 ("Hitler and the Final
Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984,
p. 142-143). Gricksch states in the report that, so far, 500,000
Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz; and this is in mid-1943. Only
"revisionist logic" can explain how the total number of victims
decreased, to reach 72,000 in 1945.

The truth, however, is rather different. The death lists that
"acumen" refers to are not only partial, but they cover only
those inmates who were admitted to the camp, had their names
recorded, and assigned a serial number. Since the large majority
were murdered upon arrival, they were not assigned a serial
number, and no one, of course, bothered to write their names
down - that would have been a complete waste of time.

Another indicator to the number of victims is the amount of
cremation furnaces in the camp. As even the "revisionist"
agree, Auschwitz-Birkenau had 5 crematoriums, with a total
of 52 cremation furnaces. Had "only" 72,000 people died in
the camp in 5 years, that would amount to about 40 deaths
every day. One small crematorium, with 4 cremation furnaces,
would have been more than enough to deal with this number
of victims.

According to a letter from SS-man Jahrling to SS-General Kammler,
the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau could burn
4,756 corpses in 24 working hours (see a photo of this letter
in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
furnace-capacity.jpg). Obviously, there would have been no
need for such cremation capacity if 40 people would die every
day, on the average.

But, I guess that people like "leading revisionist", Ernst
Zundel, who claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing
Reich using "secret UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth
via a "hole in the South-Pole", have a different view of things.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 05:21:52 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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 "Kurt Stele" writes about Himmler's Posen speeches:

# If the tape was legit the cowardly Jewish Holohoax Industry
# would have already tested it by now.  

You must really be desperate, kurtzi. We offered to test it.
Moreover, "leading revisionists" like Faurisson and Irving
agree Himmler said these things. Faurisson's explanation
is that Himmler "indulged in a bit of braggadocio", and
probably didn't mean what he said. But then, Faurisson is
about as crazy as you (well, maybe a little less).

# Just like the cowards have to resort to imprisoning revisionists
# and censoring websites to keep the public from finding out about
# it.

kurtzi, what do you think about Matt Giwer's letter to my ISP,
demanding to kick me off the net and threatening to mail-bomb
him if he doesn't?

Care to answer, kurtzi?


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:07 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: agressive
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# By the way, I speak 3 languages besides English.

And he obviously lies in all of them.

Remember his claim that Amon Goeth was "executed by the SS for
mistreating Jews"? In reality, he was tried and executed by the
Poles, after the war.

When his lie was exposed, the lying Nazi apologist "rblackmore"
blamed a "Jewish researcher" who allegedly supplied him with
this false information...

What a stupid, lying Nazi.

Can he perhaps tell us:

1) Who this "Jewish researcher" is?

2) How come he ["rblackmore"] didn't know that Goeth was executed 
   by the Poles? With his "60,000 books" and all?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Never Trust a Nazi (Re: never trust a confession)
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# There is no forensic evidence to prove that people 
# were gassed by the Nazis.

Incredibly enough, the lying Nazi apologist continues to make
this claim, although even the "revisionists" admit that there
are still cyanide compounds in the walls of the Auschwitz-Birkenau
gas chambers.

This makes the gassing in that camp one of only events in WW2
for which there is forensic evidence.

There is, for instance, no forensic evidence to the bombing of
Dresden, or to the alleged deaths of 3 million German civilians
after the war.

If the lying Nazi apologist believes there is such evidence, he
is most welcome to tell us where it can be found. If not, and if
he has any honesty whatsoever, he has to admit that, according
to his own standards, these events never took place.

But how many honest Nazi apologists are there? None.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:09 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'the screams and groans of the people died away'
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Testimony of Hauptschrfuehrer Gustav Labs
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison gas, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 87]
----------------------------------------------------------
Then Burstinger, who had reappeared from the cellar passage,
came up to me. He ordered me to start the engine and to leave
it running for about twelve minutes. I did what I was told, 
and a minute later I heard terrible screams and groans coming
>from  the interior. I got frightened and jumped out of the
driver's cab. I realized that the exhaust had been directed 
to the interior of the van to kill the people inside. Bothmann*
yelled at me, "Have you gone mad?". He told me to get back
behind the wheel. I did so and waited. I didn't dare to do
anything, because I was afraid of Bothmann. Gradually, after 
some minutes, the screams and groans of the people died away.

* SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hans Bothmann.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:09 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Decision in Legion v. Carto et al
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It's fascinating to see these animals tearing each other
to pieces. My guess is that now they'll start killing 
each other.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:48 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Kremer's diaries mentioned "Sonderaktions" (special actions) 

Notes from diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, 
NY, 1988, p. 256-268]
----------------------------------------------------------------
2 September 1942

3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to 
me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
extermination camp for nothing!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Hmm. kurtzi, what do you and the rest of your crazy Nazi pals
make of this? "They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for 
nothing!".

# which Dr. Kremer testified the term meant "gassing of people" 

Kremer, and everyone else.

# only to retract it 10 years later after being released from
# Polish prison.

Sigh. kurtzi, I assume you're lying through your teeth, as not only
haven't I heard of him retracting this, but he repeated what he said
later, as a witness in the trial held by the German legal system
in 1963-5.

I assume, kurtzi, that you can supply us with a source about him
"retracting" what he said in Poland?

It's a simple question, kurtzi. On what do you base your claim that
he retracted what he said in Poland, re the gassings?

Why do you keep denying what you know happened, and what you
consider the greatest accomplishment of your one-balled fuehrer?


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:49 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hitler Talks About the Jews, I
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

["quote" from "French rabbi"]

# (Rabbi Reichorn,  in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)

Does anyone know what this "Le Contemporain" is? Does
anyone have access to it? Is there any evidence this
"rabbi" ever existed?

I see no reason to believe anything posted by this rabid
Nazi, "rblackmore". He also claimed that Amon Goeth was
"executed by the SS for mistreating Jews", while in
reality he was tried and executed by the Poles after the
war. If he lies about what happened in WW2, he can
certainly lie about what happened in 1880.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:50 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Mass Murder in Belsen Camp, I
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:51 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: What did the allies know and when did they know it?
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dvdthomas@aol.com writes:

[To Mr. Chuck Ferre]

# Was this on the day that your outfit lost
# 160 planes? :-)

Has anyone else noticed the wild attacks against
Mr. Ferre - from Giwer, Stele, and now this lame
one-liner from "dvdthomas", who apparently thinks
it's funny to joke about Americans who died fighting
the Nazis?

Why do they hate him so much? because he was there
and because he fought the Nazis, that's why. There's
no other reason.

This is just one example. The "revisionists" constantly
attack and slander the American Armed Forces, while
showering praise on the Nazis. According to them,
the baddies were the Americans, not the Nazis.

One can only wonder what these people would have done
had they lived during WW2. Personally, I have no doubt
whatsoever.

This is a democracy. These rabid dogs may bark as much
as they wish. As for myself, here's a toast to Chuck
Ferre, and to all other Americans who fought the Nazi evil.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 11:50:33 PST 1996
Article: 83921 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never trust a confession
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Delorean@cobble.frie (Trunksated) (the senile, unemployed Nazi 
drunkard from Tampa, FL) writes:

# You appear to be referring to YFE's assertion without support
# that a US doctor at Dachau, where there was never a gas chamber

Sigh. Matt:

1) There was a gas chamber, and it is still there.

2) There is a letter from Dr. Rascher to Himmler, mentioning the
   gas chamber and asking to use it to test "combat gases" on
   humans. See

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher2.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, 
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat 
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation 
courtesy of John Morris.

  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."

  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].



# When do you folks give it up?

When do you find a job, leech? How difficult can it be, with your
claimed IQ of 163?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 15:35:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: He started shouting, and raised his whip
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## The stupid, lying Nazi now blames a mysterious "Jewish
## researcher" for the lies he posted. Just who is that
## "Jewish researcher"? David Cole, maybe? Do tell us.

# He was a Jew-like you.

Who was he? Why don't you tell us, you stupid, lying Nazi?

Anyway, you posted a lie; namely, that Goeth was
"executed by the SS for mistreating Jews", while he
was actually tried and executed by the Poles after
the war.

Being the stupid, lying Nazi clown that you are, you
now blame your lie on a "Jewish researcher".

You stupid Nazi. Even assuming this "Jewish researcher"
exists, how come you didn't know yourself what happened
to Goeth?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 15:35:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe Runs Into Technical Difficulties
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Letter from SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe to Reich security office,
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
Off., 1946, Vol. I, p. 1001]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A transport of Jews, which has to be treated in a special way, arrives
weekly at the office of the commandant of the Security Police and the
Security Service of white Ruthenia. The three S-vans which are there
are not sufficient for that purpose. I request assignment of another
S-van (five tons). At the same time I request the shipment of twenty
gas hoses for the three S-vans on hand since the ones on hand are leaky
already.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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tutu101@aol.com writes:

# You have only quoted one case, Mr. Keren.  

The case itself is not as important as the position expressed
by the SS court. Again, I suggest that our "revisionists" will
read the following:

Excerpts from Verdict of the SS Court in Munich, against 
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, 
NY, 1988, p, 196-207]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against
the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the 
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should
have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take
part in the extermination of Jewry himself.



Nothing can be more clear than this.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: What Is 'rblackmore' Up To? (Re: Blackmore lies again  (Was
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

[About his articles in acadia.chat and alt.teens, in which he 
pretended to be a young girl, and asked youngsters to e-mail
with him]

# And now, if you really must know who wrote it, it was my
# niece,  who happened to be visiting our home at the time.

And I guess you can prove this to us? Nahhhh.

# Isn't it peculiar that the only posts from a teenage girl
# all come from the same short time period with no additional
# posts afterwards?

If your "niece" was just visiting for a short period, why did 
she ask to e-mail her at your address?

Maybe you'll just tell us what you were up to when you posted
to these newsgroups? Planning to open a new branch of the
Hitler Youth... or something even worse?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:09 PST 1996
Article: 84035 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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WhoKnows@dot.tod (Elevated) writes:

# Where did you run across that admission?  The last I heard, the
# revisionists only claim that the documented deaths occurred.  That
# would be 74,000 for the Auschwitz complex.

Well, "Holocaust revisionists" claim very strange things. For
instance, that Belsen camp was in Poland (it was in Germany). 
For instance, that human beings can protect themselves against
cyanide gas by holding their breath. Etc.

Re your 74,000 figure: during 14-16 of May 1943,  SS-Sturmbannfuehrer 
Gricksch inspected Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, and wrote a report for 
SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler (see "Hitler and the 
Final Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 142-143). In the report, he said that so far
500,000 Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz. Can you explain
how the figure decreased to 74,000 in 1945?


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:10 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from DACHAU Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images

dachau01.jpg
Corpses of the inmates.

dachau02.jpg, dachau03.jpg:
Mass graves of murdered inmates near Dachau.

dachau04.jpg
Letter about conducting medical experiments in Dachau.

MedExp02.jpg
An inmate subjected to low-pressure experiment in Dachau.

MedExp04.jpg
An inmate subjected to freezing experiment in Dachau.


-Danny Keren


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 17:44:06 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Revisionist' Arithmetic? (Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUND
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[Followup = alt.revisionism]

WAHRHEIT  writes:

# Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found
# documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there,
# according to recently released Soviet documents.

I have to point out to you, yet again, that in 14-16 May, 1943,
SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Franke-Gricksch inspected Auschwitz, and 
wrote a report for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, 
in which he states that so far 500,000 Jews have been murdered
in Auschwitz-Birkenau. See, for instance, "Hitler and the Final 
Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 
1984, p. 142-143.

You seem to claim that, by 1945, the total number of the victims 
decreased to 72,000?

By the way, the camp had five huge crematoriums. Look at the following
photographs of them and of a related document:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Krema4.jpg
Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau.

Furnace.jpg
Cremation furnaces in a Birkenau crematorium.

Can you possibly explain why such tremendous cremation capacity
was necessary, if 72,000 people died in the camp? It's a large number, 
indeed, but one small crematorium would certainly suffice to dispose 
of their corpses over 5 years. Why build all these huge crematorius
if they were not necessary?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 17:44:07 PST 1996
Article: 84128 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
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p@q.r (Advance) writes:

# There are no signs of any disturbed earth that would be the
# evidence of destroyed or dismantled buildings.  

Says who? What signs would be there, months after the camp was
dismantled? 

# Continue to refuse to look at the pictures all you like.  

What pictures?

# Majdanek is worse when you are ready to do into it.

Huh? "do into it"? Lay off the cheap wine, Matt. Get a job,
and then you'll have enough money to buy some good stuff, you
163-IQ'ed unemployed leech.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:02 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Dresden
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

## [A long article about Dresden]

# Was this author there, Miss Flower?

Amazing. "rblackmore", the lying Nazi apologist [1], was not
in the Nazi concentration camps during WW2, yet he claims to
know exactly what happened in them. Why does he have a 
problem when someone who was not in Dresden claims to know
what happened there?


-Danny Keren.

[1] - of the numerous lies and misinformation posted by 
      "rblackmore", one of the most striking was his claim
      that "the SS executed Amon Goeth (commandant of Plaszwo
      camp) for mistreating Jews", while in reality Goeth was
      tried and executed by the Poles after the war.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:03 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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The lying Nazi apologist, "rblackmore@juno.com" [1], writes:

[comment about Dr. Kremer's Auschwitz diary]

What about the following excerpt from the diary?

 Notes from diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz
 ['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
 Free Press,  NY, 1988, p. 256-268]
 ----------------------------------------------------------
 2 September 1942

 3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to
 me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the
 extermination camp for nothing!



"They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing!".

"Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this".

Sounds pretty bad. Not something one would write about an
innocent "labor camp".


-Danny Keren.

[1] - of the numerous lies and misinformation posted by
      "rblackmore", one of the most striking was his claim
      that "the SS executed Amon Goeth (commandant of Plaszwo
      camp) for mistreating Jews", while in reality Goeth was
      tried and executed by the Poles after the war.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:04 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Never Trust a Nazi (Re: never trust a confession)
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## Incredibly enough, the lying Nazi apologist continues to make
## this claim, although even the "revisionists" admit that there
## are still cyanide compounds in the walls of the Auschwitz-Birkenau
## gas chambers.

# I always admitted this as well, so why are you deliberately posting
# misleading remarks, Doctor Keren?  The minute compounds found
# in the walls at Auschwitz Birkenau were very minute and certainly not
# evidence that millions of people were murdered there. 

Rubbish. The compounds are not "minute", and are certainly
consistent with homicidal gassing. Delousing will indeed produce
a larger amount of compounds, because it takes a much longer 
time, but the amounts in the gas chambers are certainly consistent
with homicidal gassing.

# The compounds were consistent with the general practice of the 
# Nazis to delouse all areas regularly with Zyklon B.

Nope. Many samples in the camp were negative.

## This makes the gassing in that camp one of only events in WW2
## for which there is forensic evidence.
## There is, for instance, no forensic evidence to the bombing of
## Dresden, or to the alleged deaths of 3 million German civilians
## after the war.

# Only the reports of the German Red Cross at the time

According to "revisionists", such reports don't count. Also,
they don't serve as forensic evidence.

# along with a score of photos....

Photos of what? Photos of 3 million corpses? You have ZERO forensic
evidence. ZERO. According to your standards, this mass death of
German civilians after the war never took place.

# where are your photos of a gas chamber in action

Right here (from the well-known gassing in Mogilev, supervised
by Arthur Nebe and Dr. Widmann). I'm trying to find better copies,
though, than the poor xerox copies I have.

Now, let's see. You claim that millions of German civilians were
murdered after the war. Another common claim is that millions
of German women were raped by Soviets soldiers. Now, I'm not
into this habit of yours of spitting on graves and of mocking
the memory of the dead, so I won't say it never happened. However,
do you have photographs of these events? 

If not, according to your own standards, they never took place.

# The bodies we see in certain photos from Auschwitz died
# as a result of the many dangerous epidemics which spread 
# throughout the camp.

You were not there, yet you know more than every person who was
there what happened? Is this a joke? 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:05 PST 1996
Article: 84265 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Some bodies fell out'
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <57si5p$fbg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <5824qv$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a78888.79937316@news.zilker.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:30:42 GMT
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Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig, testifying about one of the first 
gassings in Sachsenhausen, in which Soviet POW's were murdered
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 54]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I was told that the people who had climbed into the truck were
Russians who would otherwise have had to be shot. They were looking
for a different way of killing them. We then went to another place,
where we met the truck again. It was near the crematory oven. I can
still remember that one could see through a peephole or a small
window into the inside of the truck, which was lit up. One could see
that the people were dead.  The van was opened. Some bodies fell
out; the others were unloaded by prisoners. Those of us who were
chemists could ascertain that the bodies had that pinkish look which
is typical of victims of carbon monoxide poisoning.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:06 PST 1996
Article: 84268 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <329ba952.15778030@199.0.216.204> <32a2df3e.351684@199.0.216.204>
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Even though the 1944 photograph shows Treblinka to be nothing
# more than a clearing, agriculture, some trees and three or four
# buildings, 

Could this have anything to do with the fact that the camp was
partially destroyed in the sonderkommando rebellion, and then 
dismantled (in 1943)?

What about the huge amounts of human remains and ashes in the camp?

# Holocaust accounting has it the camp was over-run by the
# Soviets while it was still in full operation.

You're either hallucinating, or confusing it with
Maidanek. Treblinka was dismantled long before the Soviets
occupied the area.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:07 PST 1996
Article: 84284 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Good Old Days-Pogrom at Kaunas
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32a68dbb.22013216@news.uniserve.com> <19961206105100.FAA18719@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:36:03 GMT
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tutu101@aol.com writes:

# I find it curious that the more effective a person's post
# is, the more they are insulted.

You are a very nice person and we all love you.

 :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:08 PST 1996
Article: 84286 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Mass Murder in BELSEN Camp (Re: 'Some bodies fell out')
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32a78888.79937316@news.zilker.net> <588ij6$atj@juliana.sprynet.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:38:22 GMT
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:09 PST 1996
Article: 84289 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Dr. Becker Implements National Socialism
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <581v3s$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com> <588kf6$eij@surz03fi.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE>
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Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by
putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and
two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm
houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only
the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death
van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the
van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even
camouflaged...

Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men
were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should
not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would
escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following
to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the
application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention
of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological
injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have
for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men
complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading.
Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are
afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to
flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be
issued accordingly.

The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to
come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator
to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer
death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My
directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers
death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted
faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer
noticed.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 17:12:48 PST 1996
Article: 84350 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk> <32a7265a.11505015@news.demon.co.uk>  <32a70328.56592852@news.gte.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:11:16 GMT
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p@q.r (Advance) writes [to me]:

# Another lie but then, please provide a copy of the email and
# a POC at your ISP for verification, please.

This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the
senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be 
mail-bombed if he doesn't limit my postings. 



# From mgiwer@gte.net  Mon Nov 18 10:09:36 1996
# Received: from mail.gte.net (sm1.gte.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0)
# 	id AA18171; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:14:39 -0500
# Received: from LOCALNAME (tpm228028.gte.net [207.115.228.28]) by mail.gte.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AutoCF) via SMTP id EAA11366; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600
# Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600
# Message-Id: <199611181009.EAA11366@mail.gte.net>
# X-Sender: mgiwer@gte.net
# X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2
# Mime-Version: 1.0
# Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
# To: root@world.std.com
# From: Matt Giwer 
# Subject: spamming
# 
#         Would you please ask your user to stop spamming the alt.revisionism
# conference with holocaust material?  It would be much appreciated.  Although
# this is clearly an unmoderated conference, his spams are making it unusable
# for its intended purpose.  This is but one of many examples.  
# 
#         This has gone on for over a year now since I first started objecting
# to his spamming.  I have previously limited it to public posting in the
# newsgroup.  At this point I know that the patience of many of the users of
# the conference are losing patience with his spamming and have suggested
# returning his spams to his provider also.  
# 
#         Why not save yourself some hassle and try to slow him down?  Just an
# attempt to help out here.  
# 
#         Thank you for your time.  
# 
# Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
# Path: news1.gte.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren
# From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
# Subject: 'the thirty to forty women were dead'
# Message-ID: 
# 
# 
# -Danny Keren.
# ---------------------------------------------------------------
#      Live fast, love well, and have a glorious Website.
# 
#               http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/
#           Commentary from the right side of the curve
# Maintaining http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/tech/ (tips and tricks for webs)
#  http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/mgiwer4/ (eye candy, blantant advertising)
#             http://www2.combase.com/~matt/  (my son)
# http://www2.combase.com/~matt/mega/ (for internet advertising)




-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 17:12:48 PST 1996
Article: 84354 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Pederasty Allegation: Drop It (was Re: What Is 'rblackmore' Up To?)
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32A58F0C.3B56@rio.com> <588kto$atj@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a96b3a.2742582@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <32A849AF.32BF@rio.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:52:36 GMT
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I have to agree with Chuck Ferre on this one, for the
following reasons:

1) The messages posted on alt.acadia, trolling for
   teenagers, were posted from "rblackmore's" account.
   The default assumption is that if messages are
   posted from X's account, X posted them.

   More so because, usually, if someone is posting from
   the account of someone else, he/she will add something
   like "I am not this and that, I'm really <...>, using
   this account". Nothing like was posted as I recall.

2) I see no reason to believe anything from "rblackmore".
   The man's clearly a revolting liar, and I can easily
   demonstrate this by using his articles on alt.revisionism.
   I see no reason to believe his claim that someone
   else posted these messages from his account, unless
   he proves it to us. Note that he offered no proof.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec  8 12:02:08 PST 1996
Article: 84474 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk>  <32a826d8.5112089@news.gte.net> <58db8m$s0k$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:27:55 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

# Mr. Giwer would just love to have Dr. Keren post Giwer's e-mail
# bomb, so he could run to Dr. Keren's ISP and accuse him of
# polluting the Internet.

There seems to be a confusion here. Giwer sent a 5 meg e-mail
bomb to Mr. McVay a few months ago. As a result, he got the
boot from netcom. As I recall, Giwer claimed the e-mail bomb
was really a reply to something Mr. McVay asked him.

More recently, in the spirit of supporting free speech,
Giwer sent an abusive e-mail to my ISP, demanding to limit
my postings on alt.revisionism, and added the threat that
if my ISP does not comply, he will be e-bombed.

I posted this mail from Giwer a few times already, including
twice today.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec  8 12:02:09 PST 1996
Article: 84478 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
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[Followup = alt.revisionism]

olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# It is defamatory to claim that the whole of Europe was
# responsible for what these Germans did or did not do.

Who's making that claim?

## If the Holocaust were truly a manufactured event, why didn't
## the Germans point this out?

# Because they were not allowed to. The Nuremberg court was
# kangaroo court.

Stop with this foolishness. The war trials held by the Allies
were not, at any rate, a "kangaroo court", except for in the
demented minds of Holocaust deniers and other Nazi kooks.

A common claim you crazies make is "there was no cross-
examination of witnesses in those trials". How odd. I have
"The Belsen Trial" with me, and every witness is cross-
examined. Care to explain?

Bet you'll explain it just after you explain your argument
as for why it would have been "difficult" to cremate many
corpses in Auschwitz-Birkenau. You said that the corpses
would "violently explode" in the furnaces, damaging them...

You're a nut, Kreiberg. Live with it.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:40 PST 1996
Article: 84521 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <579q7e$c8d@Vir.com> <32a76498.7982195@news.gte.net>  <32a8ce91.3025873@news.gte.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:28:36 GMT
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p@q.r (Advance) writes:

# No one says it.  There are no such sings in the aerial
# photo.

No signs to what?

# Once soil is disturbed to the point of mixing topsoil
# with lower soil, as has to happen in laying the foundations
# of buildings as much as in removing them, the fertility of
# that mixed soil is different.

How is it different? Can you prove this claim? How exactly
is it relevant to what we're discussing here?

# It takes YEARS for the soil to return to the local average.

Says who?

# And until the fertility is the same the pattern of
# vegetation shows the difference in fertility.

Says who?

# The aerial photos of course, pages 84 and 85 on Ball's book.
# Shall I scan them in and post them here?

Sure, why not? I looked at Ball's web site. The man obviously
cannot handle third-grade arithmetic. I'll post more on this
soon.

# The photos are still the photos.  ALL OF THE WITNESSES
# claiming to describe it and what happened there clearly lied.

Go ahead. Prove it to us. But don't use arguments like the
senile, unemployed Matt Giwer uses (see below). You know
him, BTW?


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:41 PST 1996
Article: 84572 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Schwarzhuber Testifies About Ravensbrueck
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:10:46 GMT
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SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Johann Schwarzhuber testifies about gassing
in the Ravensbrueck concentration camp
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 187]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
At the end of February 1945 I was called with Dr. Trommer to the
office of the camp commandant, Sturmbannfuehrer Suhren. Suhren
informed us that he had received an order from Reichsfuehrer Himmler
to liquidate all the women who were sick or unable to walk. Before
giving us this information, he asked us how many sick women there 
were in the camp. I explained to the commandant that I had been glad to
leave Auschwitz and would not like to repeat that experience. He then 
told me that Sturmbannfuehrer Sauer, deputy to the camp commandant, had 
been put in charge of the execution.

 .
 .
 .

I witnessed a gassing. A hundred and fifty women, all at once, were
pushed into the gas chamber. Hauptscharfuehrer Moll ordered the women
to undress and told them that a delousing was going to take place. They 
were then pushed into the chamber, and the door was bolted. A male 
prisoner, wearing a gas mask, climbed up onto the roof and, through 
an opening which he closed again immediately afterward, threw a can of 
gas into the room. I heard groans and moans. After two or three minutes, 
there was silence in the chamber.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:41 PST 1996
Article: 84592 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann Testifies About Auschwitz
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Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, about his days at Auschwitz
[Quoted from "Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings Against Robert 
Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt", By Bernd 
Naumann, 1966, published by Frederick A. Praeger, NY, p. 50-1]
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The Jews were asked to line up. It was my job to preserve calm and
order. The selection was carried out by doctors. The instructions
were issued by the commandants or by Grabner. Sometimes entire
transports were gassed. At times many able-bodied workers were
selected, at other times fewer. The percentage was specified in
advance. It was determined by the need for workers.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:42 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Dr. Klein Testifies About Auschwitz
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Testimony of SS-Obersturmfuehrer Dr. Fritz Klein 
[Quoted in "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and
Company, 1949.p. 717]
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When transports arrived at Auschwitz it was the doctor's job to pick
out those who were unfit or unable to work. These included children, 
old people and the sick. I have seen the gas chambers and crematoria 
at Auschwitz, and I knew that those I selected were to go to the gas
chamber. But I only acted on orders given to me by Dr. Wirtz.

 .
 .
 .

I never protested against people being sent to the gas chambers, 
although I never agreed. One cannot protest when in the army.


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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

[fascinating stories deleted]

# Ah yes, good old photographic evidence.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# WE do not know this. It has been claimed. 

It has been proved. 

# IT HAS BEEN CLAIMED that Mr Giwer sent an e-mail bomb. However, 
# this claim has been refuted by Mr Giwer.

No. He admitted to having sent a 5-meg e-mail. He justified it,
as I recall, as being a response to one of Mr. McVay's questions.

# Apparently he does not. See his follow up to your posting
# in this thread. What he has asked you for in the form of 
# evidence for the claim you are repeating would be most welcome.

No, you're talking about something different, namely, the e-mail
Giwer sent to my ISP. He demanded that my postings be limited, and
warned my ISP that he will be e-mail bombed if he doesn't comply.
I posted that e-mail a few times. If you missed it, I'll post it
again.

# Come on Danny, I think you have to agree that it is more than an
# assumption that SS (alias Monica) does not like Matt Giwer.

I don't like him either. The question is, however, did he violate
Internet ethics? He obviously did.

# However, more to the point: Do you consider it an act worthy of
# termination of service?

You mean posting articles made to look as if someone else posted
them? Sure, it's an act worthy of termination of service. 

# Danny, there are other groups who believe all that you know - the
# Christians and the Moslems. Rest assured , you are not alone in
# your mistaken beliefs.

What, exactly, are my "mistaken beliefs"? I really don't know what
you're talking about.



-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:44 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Soviet movie
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Where can one find this movie?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:45 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

# No bodies.  No ashes.  No holocaust.

Two major problems here:

1) Numerous corpses and human remains (including ashes) were found.
   See, for instance:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images

2) According to your line of "reasoning", Stalin's atrocities
   never took place, nor the alleged mass death of German civilians
   after WW2, as no one can display the corpses of the victims of
   these events.

   Neither can you show us one - ONE - corpse of someone who died
   in the bombing of Dresden. According to your own standards, the
   city was never bombed. It is really very simple.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:45 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

[to me]

# As you know, no physical evidence of mass extermination was ever
# introduced and all testimony regarding it was without foundation.

The physical evidence includes:

1) Many documents and photographs.
2) Some of the gas chambers, with cyanide traces on their walls.
3) Numerous corpses and huge amounts of human remains in some
   of the camps.

So, there is far greater physical evidence to the Holocaust than
for, say, Stalin's atrocities.
 
# BTW:  If this was a fair trial without intimidation of pressure
# upon the defendants, why were their families arrested? 

Sigh. I quote here many witnesses. If you know of one case of a
witness I quote whose family was arrested, tell us about it.

# And while we are at it, do you consider it "fair" for the allies to
# introduce into evidence against the defendents a movie for which some
# two hundred men were dressed in Soviet uniforms and murdered?  

I have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a recent 
discovery from Zundel's South-Pole UFO base?


-Danny Keren.


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In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 08:05:51 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

# Moran is here bragging about how he was able to beat
# traffic tickets.

Goes to prove we Jooooos don't control the courts yet. Yo!
McOyVay! We can take back the yacht, you "renegade shaboz
goy", you!

  :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 16:04:15 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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somewhere@sometime.soon (Real soon!) writes:

# Noting that Keren is one whose smoke doesn't go to the top of his
# chimney, it is not surprising that he has refused to post this
# threat he claims was made.

Yet again, here's the e-mail the senile drunkard sent to my ISP.

It's no wonder that the drunkard, after denying events that took
place 50-60 years ago, now denies what happened a few weeks ago.
I guess this is the "new revisionism"?

What's next? Denying events BEFORE they happen? :-)

This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the
senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be 
mail-bombed if he doesn't limit my postings. 



# From mgiwer@gte.net  Mon Nov 18 10:09:36 1996
# Received: from mail.gte.net (sm1.gte.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0)
# 	id AA18171; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:14:39 -0500
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# Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600
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# X-Sender: mgiwer@gte.net
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# Mime-Version: 1.0
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# To: root@world.std.com
# From: Matt Giwer 
# 
# 
# -Danny Keren.
# ---------------------------------------------------------------
#      Live fast, love well, and have a glorious Website.
# 
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#  http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/mgiwer4/ (eye candy, blantant advertising)
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-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:21 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
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somewhere@sometime.soon (Real soon!) writes:

[to me]

# You have claimed a few samples (far from huge) in one
# incredible description.  

"incredible description"? Lay off the cheap wine, jobless one.

# Yet there is no sign of the thousands of tons of remains
# that are required to match the lies the witnesses told.

The volume over which ashes were found is entirely consistent
with the number of victims. If you could handle third-grade
arithmetic, you would realize that. But, just like John Ball,
you cannot; more to follow.

# That is another lie told by the witnesses.  The aerial photo
# shows not the least sign of this.

Not the least sign of what?


-Danny Keren.

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In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Dr. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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Testimony of Dr. Hans W. Muench 
[Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military 
Tribunals" - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol.
VIII, p. 313-321]
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Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?

A. I had already heard about extermination camps, and particularly
   extermination camps for Jews, through reports over the Swiss radio
   that I listened to regularly in the preceding years, but since I
   considered this news to be propaganda, I did not believe it at the
   time, because the facts that were being described seemed too 
   terribly outrageous to me. When I arrived in Auschwitz, and had to
   convince myself personally that these reports were not exaggerated, 
   I was very much shaken emotionally.
 
 .
 .
 .


Q. Mr. witness, you were informed about the fact that human beings were
   gassed at Auschwitz?

A. Yes.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, for what reason did you not spread the fact that human
   beings were being gassed and exterminated?

A. I was asked this very often and also before the Supreme Court of 
   Cracow, and I can say in answer to it that that would have been a 
   completely useless undertaking which would have very shortly caused 
   me and my family to be liquidated very quickly, because the Gestapo 
   was so well organized and the threats for nonobservance of the 
   secrecy that surrounded the Auschwitz exterminations were so clearly 
   worded for members of the SS that everybody avoided telling even his 
   closest friend about it, because experience taught us that anybody 
   who talked about it in any way was very quickly found because the 
   Gestapo sniffed out every rumor very consistently that spread about 
   Auschwitz.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in
   Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two
   days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things?

A. I repeatedly witnessed guided tours of civilians and also of
   commissions of the Red Cross and other parties within the camp,
   and I was able to ascertain that the camp leadership arranged it
   masterfully to conduct these guided tours in such a way that the 
   people being guided around did not see anything about inhuman
   treatment. The main camp was shown only and in this main camp there
   were so-called show blocks, particularly block 13, that were
   especially prepared for such guided tours and that were equipped 
   like a normal soldier's barracks with beds that had sheets on them, 
   and well-functioning washrooms. 

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human
   beings?

A. Yes, I saw one gassing at one time.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, you testified a little earlier that those who were sick
   in the camps, like in concentration camp Monowitz, would be sent to
   Auschwitz-Birkenau, but I wasn't quite clear as to why they were 
   sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. I'd like to put just a question or two 
   to you on that. Mr. witness, those people who were in the hospital 
   at Monowitz and were shipped to Auschwitz-Birkenau because of an
   edema or phlegmon, for what purpose were they shipped to Birkenau?

A. As far as these people were Jews, I must state that most of them
   were gassed.


Q. And, Mr. witness, if they were sent from the hospital in Monowitz to
   Auschwitz-Birkenau, and they were Jews; and they were sent because 
   of weakness and collapse, why were they sent to Birkenau?

A. Also to be gassed.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:23 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never trust a confession
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

# The arial photos contradict all of the perjuring
# witness claims.

What "arial photos" contradict what the witnesses claim?
I have yet to see one. You're simply inventing these
preposterous claims. Worse, you just quote what John
Ball - a man who cannot handle third-grade arithmetic -
claims.

# No significant quantity of human remains have ever been found,

In Treblinka, over a large area, up to a depth of 7.5 meters.
That's not a "significant quantity"?

# Only one building that is so identified and it had a
# delousing chamber in it, as per the archives opened by Russia.

Please don't tell me you're now claiming LK I was a delousing
chamber? What about all the other chambers? Why do the documents
mention "gassing cellar", and "gas chamber"?

# Sorry about that, "some" is not ten thousand mass graves.

As noted, it is not a realistic demand that ALL the corpses
of the victims to a genocide will be produced, to prove
that the genocide took place. Following that "logic", it is
impossible to prove any genocide took place.

# They are  not found while the mass graves filled by Stalin
# are found regularly.

Rubbish. Show us 10 million corpses. Go ahead. Show us the
corpses from Dresden. Go ahead. You can't.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:23 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jew Admits: "Yeah. We Control Media.  What of it?"
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On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Doc Tavish wrote:

[bla-bla-bla]

## yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
## Marty Kelley  writes:

[Lists of films in which Jews are portrayed in a negative
 fashion, in response to "Doc Tavish" who posted this
 never happens]

I would also add "Carlito's Way", with Al Pacino. The Jewish
lawyer (Sean Penn) is one of the most evil characters ever to
appear in a movie.

# If anyone of you Yids can tell all of us one movie that shows
# me wrong I will lick the floors of the Jew Simon Weaselthal
# Center clean with my tongue.

You do that, nazi-boy. But wash your tongue first.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 09:31:41 PST 1996
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seneca  writes:

# Ernst Zundel must be the most courageous man on Earth.

Ernst Zundel called to ban the TV series "Holocaust".

Ernst Zundel called to ban the movie "Schindler's List".

Yet, he claims to support free speech.

In addition to denying the Holocaust, Ernst Zundel also
claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich
using "secret UFO's", and that they flew them into the
center of the earth via a "hole in the South-Pole".

He also wrote that he met some of the "German scientists"
who "designed and built" the UFO's.

He asked people to give him money, to support an
expedition to find the UFO base.

All this is well-documented. You can find it all, in
Zundel's own publications, in Nizkor's site.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Kube Reports His Work: 10 Weeks, 55,000 Murdered
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Report from Kube, General Commissioner of White Ruthenia,
to Gauleiter Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Ostland,
31 July 1942
[Quoted from "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg
 Military Tribunals", Vol. IV, pages 191-193]
 ---------------------------------------------------------

During detailed consultations with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner 
and the extremely capable Chief of the SD, 
SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we found that we had 
liquidated approximately 55,000 Jews in White Ruthenia during 
the past 10 weeks. In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely 
exterminated without endangering the allocation of labor in any way. 
In the prevailing Polish Lida area, 16,000 Jews, in Slonim 8,000
Jews, etc., were liquidated. 

[...]

In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on 28 and
29 July, 6,500 of whom were Russian Jews - mainly old people, women,
and children - the remainder consisted of Jews unfit for work, most 
of whom had been sent to Minsk from Vienna, Brno, Bremen, and Berlin
in November of the previous year at the Fuehrer's orders.





From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:44 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Goebbels Writes that 60 Percent of the Jews Will Be Liquidated
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The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942: 
[The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948, 
p. 147-148]
-----------------------------------------------------------
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government 
[Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure 
is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. 
Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 
60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent 
can be used for forced labor.
 

 
 
-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:44 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Nope. The testimonial evidence for the Holocaust has it
# Treblinka was over run while it was still in full bloom.
# Nizkor files/Old Frogs Almanac.

Where? Which files? What is the original source quoted in
these files? You have to be more specific. There are many
files in the site you mention.

# Treblinka never was a "camp" of any kind.

Tommy, you can't just say such things and expect to be
taken seriously by any rational person, more so as you
offer no support whatsoever for your claim.

When you were a five-year-old, you could just say things,
and that would be ok; that's what five-year-olds do. But
you're now sixty-years-old, right? You have to try and
justify your claims.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 13:34:05 PST 1996
Article: 84911 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: RBlackmore, spews more bile and chokes on it... Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

# What facts?  You appear to be pointing to testimony
# manufactured by the Soviets.

What was "manufactured by the Soviets"? One example, please.

What about the numerous SS-men who testified in German
courts?

# Do not forget that the Soviets went so far as to build a
# guillotine and kill a couple hundred people with it just
# to create evidence against the Nazis.

You're really crazy, aren't you? Can you tell us, perhaps,
where this "guillotine" can be found?

Seek medical help, Matt. And get a job. Too much time at
home with noting to do, drives ya crazy.

# The bottle?  Would you care to explain how that libel,
# even if true, would have any bearing upon what is posted?

It obviously influences what you write. See the example
below. Only someone who's either drunk, insane, or both,
would write something like that.


-Danny Keren.


 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 11 06:34:30 PST 1996
Article: 85004 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# No. There was no rebellion. There were no buildings.

So, that's the new "revisionist breakthrough"?

First, to claim that there was a camp, but that it was
a "transit camp"; and next, to claim there was nothing
at all?

Incredible, I tell you, incredible.

# Nizkor "treblinka .02" quotes from the "Old Frogs
# Almanac" - "When the Russians took over the Treblinka
# complex and the nearly dead survivors ... there was no
# lack of physical evidence".

If your quote is accurate, this is, indeed, a mistake
on the part of the person who wrote this for Nizkor.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 11 06:34:30 PST 1996
Article: 85009 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## According to your line of "reasoning", Stalin's atrocities
## never took place, nor the alleged mass death of German civilians
## after WW2, as no one can display the corpses of the victims of
## these events.

# As I have noted many times, the graves of those who died in
# Stalin's overt actions such as mass starvation are well known and
# marked.  As to his "knock in the middle of the night" executions,
# those graves are regularly found.

This is, plain and simple, garbage. You know very well that you
cannot show us the graves of 10 million Soviets who died under
Stalin's rule; you know very well that you cannot show us the
graves of the 2-3 million German civilians who allegedly died
after WW2. You're lying through your teeth.

# I have pointed this out to you so many times that every lurker
# must  have read it at least five times and five times noted that
# you never respond to it.

I responded each and every time, by saying that you're lying, and
that these graves cannot be found. I also keep asking you to
tell us where these graves and these corpses are, but you never
do; like some lame-brained parrot, you keep saying they exist,
but never tell us where.

Are you, FINALLY, ready to tell us where these graves are?

If you don't, then you must realize that you have "proved" that
not is the Holocaust a "hoax", but that Stalin's atrocities,
the deaths in Dresden etc are also a "hoax".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:01 PST 1996
Article: 85148 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# As has been exhaustively discussed already, we outsiders do not 
# know all the details of all the events concerned. A great deal of
# speculation and claims from supposedly injured parties. No proof 
# of anything.

Not true. We know, for instance, that Giwer sent an e-mail bomb
to Ken McVay, and that this was the reason netcom gave him the
boot. Mr. McVay posted the URL with the mailbomb that Giwer 
sent him. Giwer admitted to having sent it. Good enough for you?

# You complained about Mr Giwer to Gate Net. NOT because of your
# allegations that he has sworn at you but because you don't like
# him.

That is your assumption. An objective person would conclude that
she - and others - complained because Giwer forged articles to
make them appear as if other posters to the group wrote them.

For instance, he forged articles to make them appear as if I
wrote them. He put "dkaren@world.std.com" in the author field,
in a lame and infantile attempt to defend himself from
complaints, as my real e-address is "dkeren@world.std.com".

# No one wants to silence him? No one wants to silence him?  

No. People want him to stop forging and to stop sending e-mail
bombs. Is this so hard to understand?

# How much more wanting to silence him can YOU get? What a 
# bloody liar you are!

You're the bloody liar here, old chap. Now, if you care about
freedom of speech, tell us why Giwer sent mail to my ISP,
demanding to close my account and threatening that he (my
ISP) will be bombed with e-mails if he doesn't?

# now all you need to do is realise that the Commandments
# were not Jewish, that the original of Moses was NOT a Jew 
# and that Noah was not a Jew either, or even real.

Oh, no! Please! Fergus, you can't do this to us! Please!
Have mercy on us poor Jews... PLEASE!!

 :-)


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:02 PST 1996
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

[To me]

# Aha! So, now you are saying that Mr Giwer sent a 5 meg e-mail
# to McVay and _gave a reason_. Not the same as a mail bomb at all.

As I recall, he simply collected everything he ever posted into
a huge file, and bombed Mr. McVay's account with it. This is
harassment, plain and simple; sending someone 5 megs of e-mail
is harassment, there is no other name for it. 

[About Giwer's e-mail to my ISP]

# I found it very polite and well written.

I found it an abuse and a threat: to tell my ISP that he should
limit my postings, otherwise he'll be e-bombed with copies of
my articles. You can call it what you like; I really don't care
too much. Everyone will read the e-mail and decide for himself.

# This reminds me of when you claimed that Mr Giwer threatened
# to kill you based on a posting when he spoke of being in combat
# with you in the same army. It is such an unlikely circumstance
# that it cannot be taken as a threat.

It doesn't matter. What matters is the principle. Giwer's principle,
outlined in that threat, is that I cannot be trusted to be a loyal
American citizen; and that, under certain circumstances, I should
be killed without trial - and all this, because my opinion on a 
certain historical event is different from his.

If you think that's ok - fine. It's your right. Again, everyone
will decide for himself.

We are constantly told by "revisionists" that one should not be
judged by his opinion on historical events. And here's a very 
active "revisionist", who keeps referring to me as a "traitorous
scum", and threatens to kill me, the only reason being that my
opinion on a historical event is different from his.

You don't see a problem with that - fine.

## What, exactly, are my "mistaken beliefs"? I really don't
## know what you're talking about.

# So, if you are a Jew, you believe that Moses was a Jew who was
# found in the bullrushes, went up a mountain and got some laws from
# a god. You also believe that Noah was a Jew who built an ark and
# filled it with animals and survived a great flood. 

Just for the record, I don't think it says anywhere in the Old
Testament that Noah was a Jew, and I can't see how that could be
possible, as he lived long before Abraham, who was the first Hebrew.

Do I believe all these things? No. They are mythology. There's
Hindu mythology, Moslem mythology, Christian mythology, and also
Jewish mythology.

# If you do not believe these things, then how can you be a Jew?

I couldn't care less whether you, or anyone else for that matter,
classifies me as a Jew or not. No offense intended; it's a 
statement of fact.


-Danny Keren.



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wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes:
# minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote:

## And thus the holocaust and slavery numbers are so irrationally
## exaggerated because they are an expression of emotion rather 
## than reason.  

# the holocaust numbers are exaggerated?  says who?

Says "minesweeper@navy.water", a lame Nazi coward afraid to post
under his own name. He's one of the Nazis who, for some reason,
chose to deny what they consider to be the greatest achievement
of their Fuehrer.

They also say that documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing 
cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as 
they can be attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of 
the SS-men who wrote them.

Most of them, like "minesweeper@navy.water", are downright insane;
some are just cold-blooded liars. All of them, however, are stupid.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:03 PST 1996
Article: 85211 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: RBlackmore, spews more bile and chokes on it... Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## What was "manufactured by the Soviets"? One example, please.  

# The guillotine and the baskets full of heads and the fresh corpses
# in the movie of course.  

What movie? What corpses? Why do you assume the Soviets did it,
if anything like this ever took place? Methinks you're
hallucinating.

## What about the numerous SS-men who testified in German
## courts?

# Perhaps, like Goring, their wives and children had been
# arrested to send them a message.  

"Perhaps"? "Perhaps"??

It doesn't work that way. If you have any evidence whatsoever
that anything like that was done, present it. 

I repeat: find one single example among all the testimonies
I post here in which the family of the witness was harassed
in any way whatsoever. If you can't, stop lying about it.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:56:09 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: WHY WE HATE CHRISTIANS, a petition
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wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes:
# minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote:

## And thus the holocaust and slavery numbers are so irrationally
## exaggerated because they are an expression of emotion rather 
## than reason.  

# the holocaust numbers are exaggerated?  says who?

Says "minesweeper@navy.water", a lame Nazi coward afraid to post
under his own name. He's one of the Nazis who, for some reason,
chose to deny what they consider to be the greatest achievement
of their Fuehrer.

They also say that documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing 
cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as 
they can be attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of 
the SS-men who wrote them.

Most of them, like "minesweeper@navy.water", are downright insane;
some are just cold-blooded liars. All of them, however, are stupid.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 06:05:37 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:

# Survivors of a camp with exactly five rather small buildings

So, you're saying Treblinka had buildings? You "revisionists"
should decide. Tom Moran just posted it had no buildings 
whatsoever.

# and no signs of anything else of interest that is.  

Except for human remains and ashes, over a large area, up to a
depth of 7 meters, as post-war excavations have discovered. But
you know that, don't you?

But then, what can one expect from someone who said that 
documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the 
Birkenau  crematoriums don't prove anything, as they can be 
attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of the SS-men 
who wrote them? You "revisionists" are really something, Matt.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:01 PST 1996
Article: 85224 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

[About photographs taken at Nazi camps after the liberation]

# Photos of dead victims to Typhus because of
# the break down in German supply at the end of the war.

Not typhus; most of them were starved to death.

Why was the death rate in the "work camps" as high as 10
percent per month, as early as 1942, long before this
"break down in German supply at the end of the war"?

Why wasn't the death rate for other categories of prisoners,
such as Allied POW's, even close to that of the Jewish inmates?
About 3 percent of the Allied POW's died, during the whole
campaign. Why didn't this "break down in German supply at the 
end of the war" affect them?

Answer: very simple. They were not classified as "sub-humans"
by the Nazis, and were treated reasonably well.

Why weren't the Belsen inmates given water? The Nazis also ran
out of water? Oh, sure "the water pump broke down". Was there
any mass death among German civilians due to "water pumps
breaking down"?

You really think that anyone but your Nazi cohorts will accept
your lame apologetics for this mass murder?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:04 PST 1996
Article: 85225 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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 "Thomas Stedham"  writes:

# Useless? EXCUSE ME, Daniel, but the jew writer, Deborah
# Lipstadt, in her book _Denying the Holocaust_, which I have in
# front of me, says on page 188 (bottom footnote): QUOTE *The
# memorial stone at Auschwitz lists the number of victims of the
# camp at 4 million.

Victims. Not "Jewish victims". The number of non-Jewish victims
was indeed inflated by the Poles and the Soviets. I believe one
reason may well have been a cynical attempt to turn what was (in
Auschwitz) mostly a Jewish tragedy, into a "universal tragedy".

# "No such plaque existed, Mr. Stedham. Perhaps you are confused
# about what you have read."
#
# Can you believe this? This guy has the balls to say that no
# plaque existed at Auschwitz!! 

No plaque giving the figure of four million *Jews*.

# Deborah, you are lying, according to this guy! You jews at
# Nizkor should coordinate your lies a little better...

No. Nazis should learn to read. That would solve the problem.
However, it seems that the smart Nazis already gave up. Only the
stupid ones remain.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:05 PST 1996
Article: 85227 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Mr.Keren, the 1944 photos show nothing more than expanded
# agriculture in the area and a few buildings, while Holocaust
# allegations are that the Soviets arrived at the camp while
# it was still in full operation. Any comment? 

I commented already. The camp was dismantled long before the
Soviets occupied the area. 

The person who claimed otherwise made a mistake; possibly,
confusing Treblinka with another camp, perhaps Auschwitz or
Maidanek, in which the Soviets did find some survivors.

People make mistakes, Tommy. Like "leading revisionist scholar"
Matt Giwer, who claimed Belsen camp was in Poland. If Giwer,
with his self-claimed IQ of 163, can make such mistakes, what
do you expect from us poor mortals?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:07 PST 1996
Article: 85228 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Descriptors
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Matt, how about "a few IQ points short of a job"?

Matt, why can't you find a job?

Matt, if you're so smart, why have you been unemployed
since you were 46-years-old?

Is it because you cannot handle third-grade arithmetic? Examples
to this abound, and I'll be happy to supply them, as you know well.

But maybe you should lower your expectations? Aim for something
realistic? Everything beats being a leech, right?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
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It's impossible to carry on like this.

While the "leading Holocaust revisionist" Matt Giwer, says that
there were buildings in Treblinka, his esteemed colleague, Tom
Moran, said there were no buildings there whatsoever.

Last time there was a disagreement in the "revisionist movement",
it resulted in a fistfight, in which "leading revisionists" like
Willis Carto, Mark Weber, Greg Raven etc. beat the crap out of
each other in the IHR office in CA.

God forbid - will we witness such a battle between Moran and
Giwer? 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:09 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Crematorium logistics
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dvdthomas@aol.com writes:

# One note--the marks on the roofs that are said to have been
# Zyklon-B entry ports--their locations do not agree with the
# (altered) aerial photos by a considerable margin.  

I have often heard this claim, but have never seen any proof
whatsoever for it. Can you possibly elaborate? Don't forget
that the building was dynamited and that the roof is broken
and collapsed.

# They were crudely and clumsily hacked through the concrete 
# _after_ the explosions which destroyed much but not all of the
# structure.  

Yet again, a factual claim for which you offer no proof and
no evidence whatsoever.

# Further, it becomes obvious that their present symmetrical
# arrangement was made after an interior room was added 
# (post-war) and that the holes were placed in undamaged 
# portions of the roof.

Ah. It seems you're confusing Krema I with Krema II and III,
as Krema I was not dynamited. Your argument is therefore totally 
and completely useless.

# And there's a lot more to come that should make for interesting
# discussions.

You mean in the "Rudolph report"? Is Rudolph the same nut who
suggested that the victims in the gas chambers would have
captured the Zyklon-B pellets and hurl them back at the SS-men?

Can't you people have some professional go over what you write,
and screen out the REALLY insane portions? He could start by
erasing everything that Giwer posts...  :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:10 PST 1996
Article: 85238 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:

[To me]

# Although I doubt you would be interested in joining me on a
# graveyard tour of the Ukraine, you are suggesting that those
# who died were not buried.  What, other than being eaten, do
# you suggest was done with the bodies?  

In other words, you're backing down from your claim, which was
that you know where the graves are.

According to your "revisionist" logic, you have to show us
ten million graves of victims to Stalinist terror. I am asking
you, yet again: where are these graves?

# And yes, you can also tour the Gulags and find those gravesites
# also. 

Same question. Show us ten million graves or admit that, according
to your "revisionist logic", this genocide in the gulags never
took place.

# As for the Germans after WW II, I have not addressed that subject
# one way or the other.  

Evasion. Are you saying that your fellow "revisionists" who 
constantly make such claims, are lying?

# Certainly there are more than 3 million post 1945 graves in
# Germany,  I would suggest on the order of 40 million.

Sigh. Yet another evasion. Show us the graves of these alleged
3 million victims.

## Are you, FINALLY, ready to tell us where these graves are?

# As above.  Where did you expect them to be?

WHERE? According to your "revisionist logic", you have to tell
us WHERE. It's not enough to claim they exist. 

What about Dresden? According to your "revisionist logic", you
HAVE to show us tens-of-thousands of corpses of the aerial
attack on the city - otherwise, you have to admit the story is
a hoax. Don't blame me, if this sounds absurd; this is what
you say.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 11:57:15 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never trust a confession
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:

# Pages 79-87 of Air Photo Evidence by Ball. 

Post them. I looked at Ball's web site. The man cannot
handle third-grade arithmetic (see later post, maybe today).

# Not to account for 2000 tons and 3500 cubic yards.  

You said a few days ago "tens-of-thousands of tons". Now it's
down to 2,000 tons. Good. 

# As you recall, given the size of the disturbed soil, that means
# it would be half bone ash.  

"Half"? What?? How on earth do you derive this figure? LEARN
some arithmetic, Matt, for God's sake.

# You claim a few samples of bone and hair were found.  

No. I claim that large quantities were found, up to depth of
7 meters, over a large area. This is not "a few samples".

# I said, delousing chamber in it.  You can read?

In WHAT? In LK 1? Are you suggesting that LK 1 had a delousing
chamber in it?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:41 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Danny fancies that by denying the occurrence of the Civil
# War or Dresden that Danny is thereby "getting revenge"
# on revisionists.  The response:  who cares.   Danny doesn't
# help fill the Schmuckocaust's evidentiary void one iota by
# his doubts.

This is an important development. Two "revisionists" have
already agreed that, by using their "research methods", it
is also possible to "prove" that not only the Holocaust,
but also Stalin's atrocities and the bombing of Dresden,
are a "hoax".

I knew this day would come. I am proud for having made my
contribution for this breakthrough in "revisionism".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:42 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Big "Mistake"
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As I have said, the most logical assumption is that the
author quoted by Tom Moran confused the names of two
different camps. The best thing, I guess, is to ask him;
does anyone know how to contact the author (Sachar,
Abram L.)?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:43 PST 1996
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:

# Six million?  We should have been so lucky.

Matt, even if all the Jews were dead, you would still
be the stupid, drunk, unemployed slob from Tampa, FL,
that you are now.

Wake up, Matt. It's not the Jews' fault. It's your
fault.

If all the Jews were dead, you'd simply have to look
for someone else to hate and to blame for the sorry,
pathetic joke which is your life.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher's Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

# Now, who has researched and documented the authenticity
# of this letter?

This is a void question, which is always put forth by
Holocaust-deniers when they run out of excuses. I could
post such a question for each and every document, offered
by anyone, regarding any historical event whatsoever.

I got the letter from the Bundsarchive in Koblenz. You're
claiming it's a forgery? Prove it.

# Also, where is the "convergence of evidence" to show that
# this document is indeed authentic?

How about the fact that the gas chamber is still there?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:44 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Israeli settlements again
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destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:

# Contrary to the interests of peace, Net'n'yahoo has
# announced that the illegal occupation settlements
# will continue.  In response, a Palestinian group
# shot and killed some of the illegal settlers.

"Some of the illegal settlers", in this case, were
a 12-year-old child and his 42-year-old mother.

I guess this made your day, nazi-boy? How many
extra bottles of cheap wine did you guzzle to
celebrate this event?

But what good is it? After the euphoria sinks,
you're still a stupid, drunk, unemployed bum from
Tampa, Florida... right?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:47 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW
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rcf@inetworld.net writes:

# It is truly amazing to me that someone can so easily
# discuss the death of 72,000 human beings as if it were
# just a blip on the radar screen of history.

True. However, the number of victims was much higher. In
May, 1943, SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Franke-Gricksch submitted a
report in which he estimated the number of victims (in
Auschwitz-Birkneau) so far at 500,000 (see "Hitler and
the Final Solution" - Prof. G. Fleming,  University of
California Press, 1984, p. 142-143).

Also, from the number and size of the Auschwitz-Birkenau
cremation furnaces, it is obvious that there were far
more than 72,000 victims. See, for instance

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Krema4.jpg
Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau.

Furnace.jpg
Cremation furnaces in a Birknenau crematorium.

The "revisionist" claim for the 72,000 figure is based
on lists detailing the deaths of inmates who were
admitted to the camp, registered, and tattooed with a
serial number. However, in the infamous "selection
process", those classified as "unfit for work" were
separated and murdered immediately. There was no use,
of course, in assigning them serial numbers; hence,
their names are not in the lists the "revisionists"
refer to. Moreover, these lists do not cover the entire
period in which the camp was in operation.

Posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:49 PST 1996
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destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:

# As there is nothing but prosecution witnesses speaking
# up on the subject,

No. Demjanjuk was also identified as "Ivan" from the gas
chambers by a former SS-man, Otto Horn.

# as since we know that none of those witnesses have
# provided a credible description of Treblinka in the
# first place,

Everyone who was in Treblinka - not only these witnesses,
but also the SS-men and the Ukrainian guards - gave a
credible description of the camp. This description is
verified by the huge amount of human remains on the camp's
site, as well as "external witnesses", namely the Poles
who saw train-load after train-load of people enter the
camp, and no one coming out.

# It appears jews are either unable or unwilling to
# address physical evidence.

It appears senile, pathetic, unemployed drunkards from
Tampa, FL - such as Matt Giwer, who posts here using
stupid aliases - are unable or unwilling to admit
that their failure in life is not the Jews' fault.

# When facts are presented to you, you cease to be civil.
# You much be jewish.

"You much be jewish"? Go soak your head, old drunkard.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:49 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: No Fear of Air Photo Evidence?
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Oh yes, that is why the Jew David Coleman is also
# a revisionist.

His name is David Cole. He's a 26-year-old highschool
dropout from CA. Last I heard, he gave up on "revisionism",
part of the reason being his despair when he discovered
that the other "revisionists" are even bigger fools than
he is... just look at what he wrote about Fred "fraud"
Leuchter.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:50 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Communism: The Bed Partner of Jewry's Political Apparatus
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If Communism and Judaism are "bed partners", how come
did the Communist USSR, for many years, arm to the
teeth - and train - all the Arab countries that
declared their desire to annihilate Israel, and
fought many bitter wars with it?

Hello? Am I the only one who sees a contradiction
here?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:51 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You
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karlpov@explorer2.clark.net writes:

# Obviously not, since you address your comment to Charles
# Power, which is my real name, as can be verified via
# www.switchboard.com. Unlike certain cowardly assholes
# who post under pseudonyms like rblackmore, Kurt Stele,
# and Tutu101.

"tutu101@aol.com" is another alias for "rblackmore".

"Kurt Stele" is a different person.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 19:21:19 PST 1996
Article: 85895 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## While the "leading Holocaust revisionist" Matt Giwer,
## says that there were buildings in Treblinka, his esteemed
## colleague, Tom Moran, said there were no buildings there
## whatsoever.

# Show where Moran said "there were no buildings whatsoever", or
# even anything even close. Your failure to show it will be your
# indictment.

Here's where you said it, Tommy.



 alt.revisionism #141704 (2940 more)
 From: tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
 Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
 Date: Mon Dec 09 12:21:20 EST 1996
 Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet 

 >Could this have anything to do with the fact that the camp was
 >partially destroyed in the sonderkommando rebellion, and then
 >dismantled (in 1943)?

 No. There was no rebellion. There were no buildings. There
 are no signs of there ever being any buildings, other than
 what is shown in the 1944 photo.



It seems quite clear to me, Tommy. Or maybe the senile, crazed
drunkard, Matt Giwer, is now forging your articles also?


-Danny Keren.



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jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) writes:

[Alleged racist "quotes" from Jewish sources]

These quotes were posted here, many times. People
have invariably commented on them, saying either
the sources don't exist, or that the translation
is completely false.

So, here's a challenge. Verify these "quotes"
yourself, and post them, in the original language.

That's a fair request. How about it? If you don't
comply, everybody will have to conclude you're a
shameless liar.


-Danny Keren.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# There was never extermination of Jews by gassing or any
# Reich plan ordered to exterminate Jews.   Had that been
# true the Allies would have found no Jews left alive in
# the "deathcamps" upon liberation.

Please look at the following photos and tell me: just
how many of the people in them are alive?

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses
              in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave
              in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-Obersturmfuehrer Franz Hoessler in front of a
              truckload of corpses in Belsen.

See also:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 19:21:22 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Revisionist' Idiots (Re: Heinrich Lohse Was Dead and Living in
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John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
## tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

### Lohse, by the way, was murdered by an assassin in
### 1943 in Russia.

## That's odd. I don't have my books handy, but I recall
## that Lohse survived the war. Can anyone check? I
## won't be in my office till Monday, and that's where
## the books are.

# Heinrich Lohse was tried by a British court [...]
# He died in his home town of Muehlenbarbek bei Steinburg in
# Schleswig-Holstein on 25 February 1964.

Thank you, Mr. Morris, for checking on this. We have yet
another spectacular example of "revisionist scholarship",
and, to me, yet another proof that "tutu101" is really
the lame Nazi liar, "rblackmore". Now, poor old "rblackmore"
will need to find yet another alias...

However, it's only a matter of time before Beauliue will
claim that the real Lohse was indeed "murdered by an assassin
in 1943 in Russia", and the other Lohse was really an actor.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 07:05:10 PST 1996
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

[Alleged racist "quotes" from Jewish sources]

My, my. Good old nazi-boy here, the same one who
wants to arrest, torture and deport Danish citizens
because he doesn't like the color of their skin [1],
now spews forth some rubbish he must have collected
on some Nazi web-site...

These quotes were posted here, many times. People
have invariably commented on them, saying either
the sources don't exist, or that the translation
is false.

So, nazi-boy, here's a challenge. Verify these "quotes"
yourself, and post them, in the original language.

That's a fair request, nazi-boy. How about it? it's
your big chance to prove you're not a low-life, nazi,
lying scum. Go for it.


-Danny Keren.

[1]



 From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 13 15:02:39 EDT 1996
 Article: 111755 of alt.revisionism

# Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some
# people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer
# qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been
# granted a residence permit they will have their status changed
# to illegal aliens and then treated accordingly.

 From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 20 14:57:46 EDT 1996
 Article: 113212 of alt.revisionism

# However, these camps are supposed to inspire it's inmates
# to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they
# should of course not be too attractive.






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raterman  writes:

# The other point regarding the "light of truth"  is that
# Holocaust deniers are actually double liars, first in
# denying the Holocaust, secondly in gloating over it in
# secret and refusing to admit that they're glad it happened
# and look forward to it happening again.

Exactly. But, here and there, they say what they really
think. Look at this example from the little coward
posting under the "kurt stele" alias:


 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 07:05:11 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Worthless Photo Evidence
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destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:

# I brought it up as these are the pictures Keren is
# constantly spamming claiming they are burned while
# there is no sign of them having been burned.

Everyone can look at the photographs and decide for
himself. One may also, of course, read the relevant
documentation in "Inside the Vicious Heart", which
is where I scanned the photos from.

I'm not going to "debate" the Nazi drunkard any more
on this point; there's a limit to how low I'm willing
to go. As I said, the photographs are there, and
the relevant text too.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/gardelegen/images


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 10:40:51 PST 1996
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dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) writes:

# Did it?  Most sources I've read don't add up the death
# tolls of each individual camp, ghetto, anti-tank ditch, or
# train car to get a figure.  Instead they took the number of
# Jews that were know to be alive prior to the start of the
# war and then counted the number left alive at the end of
# the war.  BTW why are you (and other revisionist) stuck on
# Auschwitz.  What about Treblinka, Belsec, Sibibor, and
# Chelmno?  Hundreds of thousands died in these camps but
# you never mention them.

You're absolutely correct. Here are the figures of Jewish
losses at which German historians arrived; I am appending the
original material below.

Deaths in "major" death camps -

Auschwitz-Birkenau: more than 1 million.
Treblinka: 700,000.
Belzec: 600,000.
Sobibor: 200,000.
Chelmno: 150,000.

Deaths in the "einsatzgruppen" mass executions in the
Nazi-occupied USSR: at least 900,000.

Total number of deaths ("major" camps, plus the einsatzgruppen
massacres, plus deaths in numerous smaller camps, deaths from
starvation in the ghettos): about 6 million.

As we see, the 6 million figure does not at all assume a
4 million figure for Auschwitz-Birkenau.


This file contains a short survey on the dimensions of the Holocaust,
published by the Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe (Institute for
Contemporary  History) in Munich, Germany, at 1992.

The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe is considered an authority on this
issue in Germany, and has been used as a source of information on the
Holocaust in various trials of Nazi war criminals there.

Feel free to quote from this letter, under the following conditions:

1) Verbatim quotes only.
2) The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe has to be cited as the source.



Concerns: The killing of people through gas in the extermination and
concentrations camps under the Nazi power

The systematic murdering of humans through gas during the Nazi rule
was introduced for the first time from January 1940 on in the area of
the "Euthanasia", the extermination of the "lives not worthy to live"
of the handicapped, mental patients and the terminally ill, and from
fall 1941 on was continued to a much larger extent by the pogroms of
the operation groups of the security police and the SD in the seized
eastern areas with the help of mobile gas vans.

Beginning December of 1941 one proceeded in the camp Kulmhof (Polish
Chelmno) to use stationary gas vans for the killing of Jews, and from
the beginning of 1942 in different camps fixed gas chambers were
built, or already existing buildings were restructured for this
purpose.

One needs to differentiate by the furnishing of such gas chambers and
the gassing actions carried out within them between the mass gassings
of Jews in the extermination camps build for that purpose and the
gassings of smaller scale in individual, already existing
concentration camps (whereby patients, seized forced laborers, war
prisoners, and political prisoners among others were also victims)

The following extermination camps existed:

Kulmhof i.e. Chelmno (in the then Wartheland), where between December
1941 and fall 1942 and again from May until August 1944 gassings by
means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas took place. Altogether
more than 150,000 Jews as well as 5000 gypsies have hereby been
killed.


Belzec (in the district Lublin of the then general governments): from
march to December 1942 in the beginning in three, later in six large
gas chambers by means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas
altogether about 600,000 Jews were killed here.


Sobibor (district Lublin, general government) received in April 1942
three, later in September 1942 six gas chambers and until October 1943
it was "in operation". During this period at least 200,000 Jews have
been murdered through carbon monoxide gas.

Treblinka (district Warschau, general government) from the end of July
1942 on had three gas chambers and received at the start of September
1942 furthermore ten larger gas chambers. Up to the dissolution of the
camp in November 1943 altogether 700,000 Jews were killed here by
carbon monoxide.


Majdanek (district Lublin, general government): The concentration camp
existing since September 1941 turned into an extermination camp when
between April 1942 and November 1943 mass shootings took place to
which 24,000 Jews fell victim. In October 1942 also two, later three
gas chambers were built.  In the beginning the killings in these were
done by means of carbon monoxide, soon however one was using Zyklon B
(a highly poisonous insecticide made from cyan hydrogen). Up until the
dissolution of the camp in March 1944 about 50,000 Jews have been
gassed.

Auschwitz-Birkenau (in the formerly polish, in 1939 adjoined to the
"Reich" upper eastern Silesian area, south eastern of Kattowitz): The
extermination camp in Birkenau, established in the second half of
1941, was joined to the concentration camp Auschwitz, existing since
May 1940. From January 1942 on in five gas chambers and from the end
of June 1943 in four additional large gassing-rooms gassings with
Zyklon B have been undertaken. Up until November 1944 more than one
million Jews and at least 4000 gypsies have been murdered by gas.


The victims of the operation groups of the security service and the SD
behind the German frontier in the Russia-campaign were to the by far
largest part Jews. Their number is estimated to be at least 900,000.

The difference between the total of the victims of the gassings cited
in the above mentioned composition and the number of victims of the
operation groups and the total of roughly 6 million victims of the
Nazi persecution of the Jews results from the fact that a very high
percentage of the victims have lost their lives through indirect
extermination actions such as the method "destruction through work",
bad treatment, under nourishment, epidemics, exhaustion during forced
transportations etc.

About 120,000 people were killed through the Nazi "Euthanasia"-actions.



Posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 17:24:47 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Missing Articles (Danny Keren)
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My server seems to have missed some articles posted
in response to previous articles from me. For instance,
I saw a reply which included some of Kreiberg's
reply to an article I posted yesterday, but I didn't
see Kreiberg's article. Same happened with a reply
that "rblackmore" posted.

Hopefully, the missing articles will surface soon;
if not - if someone wants a reply, please post again
or mail me. This does not hold, though, for Matt
Giwer or any of his aliases - Matt, do not send
me any e-mail.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 23:02:11 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Gruppenfuehrer Otto Ohlendorf Testifies About the Einsantzgruppen Massacres
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Otto Ohlendorf, chief of Einsatzgruppe D, testifies about Nazi
mass murder in the occupied USSR. Source: IMT Vol. IV, testimony
starts at page 311.


Q. How many Einsatz groups were there, and who were their respective
   leaders?

A. There were four Einsatzgruppen, Group A,B,C and D. Chief of
   Einsatzgruppe A was Stahlecker; Chief of Einsatzgruppe B was
   Nebe; Chief of Einsatzgruppe C, Dr. Rasche, and later, Dr.
   Thomas; Chief of Einsatzgruppe D, I myself, and later Bierkamp.

 .
 .
 .

Q. What were their instructions with respect to the Jews and the
   Communist functionaries?

A. The instructions were that in the Russian operational areas of
   the Einsatzgruppen the Jews, as well as the Soviet political
   commissars, were to be liquidated.

Q. And when you say "liquidated", do you mean "killed"?

A. Yes, I mean killed.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Did you personally supervise mass executions of these
   individuals?

A. I was present at two mass executions for purposes of inspection.

Q. Will you explain to the tribunal in detail how an individual
   mass execution was carried out?

A. A local Einsatzkommando attempted to collect all the Jews in its 
   area by registering them. This registration was performed by the
   Jews themselves.

Q. On what pretext, if any, were they rounded up?

A. On the pretext that they were to be resettled.

Q. Will you continue?

A. After the registration the Jews were collected at one place;
   and from there they were later transported to the place of
   execution, which was, as a rule an antitank ditch or a natural
   excavation. The executions were carried out in a military manner,
   by firing squads under command.

Q. In what way were they transported to the place of execution?

A. They were transported to the place of execution in trucks, always
   only as many as could be executed immediately. In this way it was
   attempted to keep the span of time from the moment in which the
   victims knew what was about to happen to them until the time of
   their actual execution as short as possible.

Q. Was that your idea?

A. Yes.

Q. And after they were shot what was done with the bodies?

A. The bodies were buried in the antitank ditch or excavation.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Were all victims, including the men, women, and children,
   executed in the same manner?

A. Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler
   that in the future women and children were to be killed only
   in gas vans.

Q. How had women and children been killed previously?

A. In the same way as the men - by shooting.

Q. What, if anything, was done about burying the victims after they
   had been executed?

A. The Kommandos filled the graves to efface the signs of execution,
   and then labor unit of the population leveled them.

Q. Referring to the gas vans which you said you received in the
   spring of 1942, what order did you receive with respect to the
   use of these vans?

A. These gas vans were in future to be used for the killing of the
   women and the children.

Q. Will you explain to the Tribunal the construction of these vans
   and their appearance?

A. The actual purpose of these vans could not be seen from the
   outside. They looked like closed trucks, and were so constructed
   that at the start of the motor, gas was conducted into the van
   causing death in 10 to 15 minutes.

Q. Explain in detail just how one of these vans was used for an
   execution.

A. The vans were loaded with the victims and driven to the place of
   burial, which was usually the same as that used for the mass
   executions. The time needed for transportation was sufficient
   to insure the death of the victims.

Q. How were the victims induced to enter the van?

A. They were told that they were to be transported to another 
   locality.

 .
 .
 .

Q. You said that mostly women and children were executed in these
   vans. For what reason?

A. That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women
   and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the
   executions; and thus the men of the Kommandos, mostly married
   men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

 .
 .
 .

Q. In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object
   of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. And in what category did you consider the children? For what
   reason were the children massacred?

A. The order was that the Jewish population should be totally 
   exterminated.

Q. Including the children?

A. Yes.

Q. Were all the Jewish children murdered?

A. Yes.




 

 






From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:39 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Ohlendorf Next Explains Why the Gypsies Were Murdered
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SS-Gruppenfuehrer Otto Ohlendorf, Commander of Einsatzgruppe D,
comes up with some amazing excuses for the killing of the Gypsies
in Nazi-occupied USSR. 

[Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military 
Tribunals" -  Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol IV, 
p. 286-7]

Presiding Judge Musmanno: Well, now, what we are trying to do is
to find out what you are going to say about the Gypsies, but
you still insist on going back to the Jews, and Mr. Heath is 
questioning about Gypsies. Is it also in European history that
Gypsies always participated in political strategy and campaigns?

Ohlendorf: Espionage organizations during campaigns.

Presiding Judge Musmanno: The Gypsies did?

A: The Gypsies in particular. I want to draw your recollection 
to extensive descriptions of the Thirty Year War by Ricarda Huch 
and Schiller-

Q. That is going pretty far back in order to justify the killing
of Gypsies in 1941, isn't it?

A. I added that as an explanation, as such motives might have 
played a part in this, to get at this decision.

 .
 .
 .

Mr. Heath: Mr. Ohlendorf, you say the Gypsies are notorious
bearers of intelligence? Isn't it a fact that the nationals of
any invaded state are notorious bearers of intelligence. Didn't
the Americans bear intelligence, and the Germans bear intelligence,
and the Russians bear intelligence for their countries when they
were at war?

A. But the difference is here that these populations, for example,
the German population, or the American population have permanent
homes, whereas Gypsies being unsettled as people without 
permanent homes are more prepared to change their residence
for a more favorable economic situation, which another place
might promise them. I believe that a German, for example, is
very unsuited for espionage.






From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:40 PST 1996
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:

# Read up on the primary Nuremberg trial and find out about
# the film produced by the Soviets. You will find it there.

Post the exact location. Next time, ask Alan B. Kennady,
who's feeding you with material, to send all the details.

# Even the unethical Dr. Gilbert mentions that Goring
# pointed out to him that rigour mortis had not set in.

So what?

# Excuse me.  In fact their families WERE ARRESTED (Goring,
# Speer, et al.)

Just for the record, can anyone confirm what the drunkard
wrote here?

And, anyway, I'm repeating my question about the many SS-men
who testified in German courts. Can you name one of them who
had his family arrested? Answer the question, drunkard.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:41 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
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destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:

# Since you wish to continue this, little Danny, NAME THE
# CAMP that fits the descriptions given of Treblinka as
# Treblinka certainly fits no description given.

As I have suggested in an earlier post, best thing to do
is try and contact the author. I am not a mind-reader and
I cannot speak for him. My first guess would be Auschwitz,
the second Maidanek.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:42 PST 1996
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# That is one thing the Holohoaxsters haven't presented
# yet:  the documented evidence of demoralization of
# German troops.

Untrue, kurtzi. I posted some on this. In the
Auschwitz Trial in Frankfurt, there were testimonies
about SS-men who had nervous breakdowns after
participating in mass executions of civilians.

Ohlendorf also mentions, in his testimony, that
Himmler ordered to murder civilians, especially
women and children, using gas, so that they would
not "be exposed to the mental strain of the executions".

(I have commented on "revisionist" lies vs. "revisionist"
errors in some previous articles. This is an example
of something in-between: the stupid little Nazi, "kurt",
doesn't have a clue if he's lying or not when making
his claim above. He simply states it, and hopes he's
correct).


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:42 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:

# Have it your way, neither Stalin's murders or the
# Holocaust happened.

No, clown. YOUR argument was "since you can't produce
6 million corpses, the Holocaust is a hoax". Applying
YOUR "logic", since no one can produce the alleged 10
million corpses of Stalin's persecutions, or the
alleged 70,000 corpses of Dresden's bombing, these
events are also a "hoax".

How stupid can you be? I am not stating my opinion,
but applying YOUR argument.

According to YOUR "logic", Stalin never killed anyone,
and Dresden was never bombed.

Is it FINALLY clear? I know you are very stupid, but
even you should be able to understand this.


-Danny Keren.



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Source: SS records, quoted in "Concentration Camp Dachau", 
ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 60. 

Nationality      Total   Released   Transferred  Liberated   Deaths
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Albanian           2         -           2            -         -
Belgian           46         1           3           33         9
Danish             5         5           -            -         -
German           447       208         100           45        94
English            2         -           1            1         -
French           156         5           4          137        10
Greek              2         -           -            2         -
Dutch             63        10           -           36        17
Italian           28         -           1           26         1
Lithuanian         3         -           -            3         -
Luxemburg         16         2           -            8         6
Norwegian          1         1           -            -         -
Polish          1780        78           4          830       868
Rumanian           1         -           -            1         -
Jugoslavian       50         2           6           38         4
Spanish            1         -           -            1         -        
Swiss              2         1           -            -         1
Czechoslovakian  109         1          10           74        24
Hungarian          3         -           -            3         - 
Stateless          3         -           1            2         -


Roman Catholic               2579
Protestant                   109
Greek Orthodox                22
Old Catholic and Maronite      8
Mohammedan                     2



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: ACUMEN SILENCED !!???Gauleiter Gross 
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Is anyone counting how many messages Matt the Nazi
drunkard, using the alias "destroyer@navy.water
(Arleigh Burke)", is posting?

It seems that, today only, he posted many dozens of
messages.

I understand it, to some extent - poor old, senile
Matt can't find a job, so he has a lot of free time.

The question is: how come this revolting swine
complains to my ISP about my alleged "spamming",
and demands to limit my postings, while he posts
far more articles than me?

The revolting swine even had the nerve to warn my
ISP that he will be mailbombed, if he doesn't limit
my postings (all in the name of "supporting free
speech", he-he).


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:11 PST 1996
Article: 86351 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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Professor Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Waffen-SS hygienist, on a gassing 
at Belzec
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 238-244]
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When I am asked about executions of Jews I must confirm that on 19 August
1942 I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp. I
would like to describe how I came to be there. During my conversations
with SS-Brigadefuehrer Globocnik, he told me about the large
spinning-mills that he had set up in Belzec. He also mentioned that
work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production. When
I asked him where the spinning materials came from, he told me proudly
that they had come from the Jews. At this point he also mentioned the
extermination actions against the Jews, who for the most part were
killed at the the camp at Belzec...

During this first visit I was taken to around by a certain
Polizieihauptmann named Wirth, who also showed and explained to me the
extermination installations at the camp. He told me that the following
morning a new transport of about 500 Jews would be arriving at the
camp who would be channeled through these extermination chambers. He
asked me whether I would like to watch one of these extermination
actions, to which, after a great deal of reflection, I consented. I
planned to submit a report to the Reichsarzt-SS about the
extermination actions. In order to write a report I had, however,
first to observe an action with my own eyes. I remained in the camp,
spent the night there and was witness to the following events the next
morning.

A goods train traveled directly into the camp of Belzec, the freight
cars were opened and Jews whom I believe were from the area of Romania
or Hungary were unloaded. The cars were crammed fairly full. There
were men, women and children of every age. They were ordered to get
into line and then had to proceed to an assembly area and take off
their shoes...

After the Jews had removed their shoes they were separated by sex. The
women went together with the children into a hut. There their hair was
shorn and they had to get undressed... The men went into another hut,
where they received the same treatment. I saw what happened in the
women's hut with my own eyes. After they had undressed, the whole
procedure went fairly quickly. They ran naked from the hut through a
hedge into the actual extermination centre. The whole extermination
centre looked just like a normal delousing institution. In front of
the building there were pots of geraniums and a sign saying "Hackenholt
Foundation", above which there was a star of David. The building was
brightly and pleasantly painted so as not to suggest people would be
killed here...

Inside the buildings, the Jews had to enter chambers into which was
channeled the exhaust of a [100(?)]-HP engine, located in the same
building. In it there were six such extermination chambers. They were
windowless, had electric lights and two doors. One door led outside so
that the bodies could be removed.  People were led from a corridor
into the chambers through an ordinary air-tight door with bolts. There
was a glass peep-hole, as I recall, next to the door in the wall.
Through this window one could watch what was happening inside the room
but only when it was not too full of people. After a short time the
glass became steamed up. When the people had been locked in the room
the motor was switched on and then I suppose the stop-valves or vents
to the chambers opened.  Whether they were stop-valves or vents I
would not like to say. It is possible that the pipe led led directly
to the chambers. Once the engine was running, the light in the
chambers was switched off. This was followed by palpable disquiet in
the chamber. In my view it was only then that the people sensed
something else was in store for them. It seemed to me that behind the
thick walls and door they were praying and shouting for help.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:15 PST 1996
Article: 86385 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: German Clergymen Protest Nazi Mass Murder, II
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Letter from Dr. Wurm, of the Wuerttemberg Evangelical Provincial Church,
to Reich Minister of interior Dr. Frick, September 5 1940
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
Off., 1946, Supp. A, p. 1223]
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Dear Reich Minister,

On July 19th I sent you a letter about the systematic extermination
of lunatics, feeble-minded and epileptic persons. Since then this
practice has reached tremendous proportions: recently the inmates of
old-age homes have also been included. The basis for this practice
seems to be that in an efficient nation there should be no room
for weak and frail people. It is evident from the many reports which
we are receiving that the people's feelings are being badly hurt
by the measures ordered and that the feeling of legal insecurity
is spreading which is regrettable from the point of view of national
and state interest.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:16 PST 1996
Article: 86397 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese
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In the alt.revisionism article with Message-Id
<54eopf$d8c@juliana.sprynet.com>, the lying Nazi-apologist
"rblackmore" claimed that the commandant of Plaszwo camp,
Amon Goeth, was "executed by the SS" because he "abused
the prisoners under his command". Goeth, however, was
tried and executed by the Poles, after the war.

Now, why did the pathetic fool "rblackmore" invent this
lie? Simple: he wanted to convince people that the Nazis
really cared for the inmates in the camps, and that they
even punished camp commandants who murdered Jews. So, what
does he do? He invents this lie - that the SS executed
Goeth - and posts it, hoping that no one who reads this
newsgroup knows the truth.

It's so pathetic. So idiotic. So childish.

And, something which is somewhat related. "rblackmore"
has posted an article trolling for teenage boys, on
alt.acadia. He later claimed it was really posted by
someone else, using his account. He offered no proof
of this; moreover, there was nothing like "I'm really
so-and-so, and I'm only using this account for posting"
in the article. Usually, when X uses Y's account, he/she
will take care to post their real identity and to state
that they are using Y's account as guests.

All evidence points to the fact that "rblackmore" posted
this article. All we have against it is his word. But
he has lied so many times on alt.revisionism - the Goeth
fiasco is but one example among many - that the question
has to be asked: why should we believe him?

I consider "rblackmore" to be a rather revolting person.
His articles on alt.revisionism are bad enough. Unfortunately,
whatever he tries to "accomplish" by hounding teenagers
is probably much worse.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:17 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

[An excellent article, documenting, exposing, and
refuting lies that Nazis often post about alleged
racist quotes from the Talmud].

Thanks, Sara. This should serve as a lesson to
various Nazi vermin, like Kreiberg, who post such
lies: it may take time, but, eventually, someone
will expose them for the lying filth that they are.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 11:10:54 PST 1996
Article: 86512 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230]
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The camp of Belzec was situated north-east of the Tomaszo'w to Lemberg
[Lvov] road beyond the village of Belzec. As the camp needed a siding
for the arriving transports the camp was built about 400 meters from
Belzec station. The camp itself was divided into two sections: section
1 and section 2. The siding led directly from Belzec station into
section 2 of the camp, in which the undressing barracks as well as the
gas installations and the burial field were situated...

The gassing of Jews which took place in Belzec camp up till 1 August
1942 can be divided into two phases. During the first series of
experiments there were two to three transports consisting of four to
six freight cars each holding twenty to forty persons. On the average
150 Jews were delivered and killed per transport. At that stage the
gassings were not yet part of a systematic eradication action but were
carried out to test and study closely the camp's capacity and the
technical problems involved in carrying out a gassing...

At the beginning of May 1942 SS-Oberfuehrer Brack from the Fuehrer's
chancellery suddenly came to Lublin. With Globocnik he discussed
resuming the extermination of the Jews. Globocnik said he had too few
people to carry out this programme. Brack stated that the euthanasia
programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be
detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the
Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would
not be possible for the Einsatzgruppen to clear individual areas of
Jews and the people in the large ghettos of Warsaw and Lemberg by
shooting them, the decision had been taken to set up two further
extermination camps which would be ready by 1 August 1942, namely
Treblinka and Sobibor. The large-scale extermination programme 
[Vernichtungsaktion] was due to start on 1 August 1942.

About a week after Brack had come to Globocnik, Wirth and his staff
returned to Belzec. The second series of experiments went on until
1 August 1942. During this period a total of five to six transports
(as far as I am aware) consisting of five to seven freight cars
containing thirty to forty people came to Belzec. The Jews from two
of these transports were gassed in the small chamber, but then Wirth
had the gas huts pulled down and built a massive new building with a 
much larger capacity. It was here that the Jews from the rest of the
transport were gassed.

During the first experiments and the first set of transports in the
second series of experiments bottled gas was still used for gassing;
however, for the last transports of the second series of experiments
the Jews were killed with the exhaust gases from a tank or lorry
engine which was operated by Hackenholt.


From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 07:46:39 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: No Fear of Air Photo Evidence?
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# The salient fact is Cole's Jewishness.   Allegedly
# revisionism is anti-semitic.

kurtzi, there are a few million Jews in the world. Some
of them are very stupid. Some of them are very crazy. It's
a simple statistical fact, true for any population of that
size.

So, there is one Jew, David Cole, a 26-year-old highschool
dropout, who is (or, I believe, was) a "revisionist". This
does not prove anything. It's a sensation of sorts - and
I'm convinced that's one of the reason that Cole became
a "revisionist" - but it really means nothing. Even if
you had a hundred David Cole's, that's still one hundred
out of millions. It simply means nothing.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!

# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 12:37:18 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Harold Le Druillence Testifies About Belsen
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Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner 
in Belsen, who was "employed" as corpse carrier there:

[From "The Belsen Trial"]

(p. 60-61)
 
We made our way along the central road towards the burial pit. Along
this road, stationed at intervals, were orderlies to see that the
flow of dead to the pits carried on smoothly; they were particulalry
numerous near the kitchen and the resevoir water. One of the most
cruel things in this particular work was the fact that we passed
this water regularly on every trip, and although we were dying
of thirst we were not allowed to touch it or get anywhere near.
 
[...]
 
I would like you to picture what this endless chain of dead going
to the pits must have looked like for about five days from sunrise
to sunset. How many were buried I have no idea. It must have been
vast numbers - certainly five figures. 
 
You didn't dare to fall out, but many collapsed on the way - just
lay dead by the roadside, or died. They in turn were lifted by a
team of four and taken to the pits. People died like flies on the
way to these pits. They did not have the necessary energy to drag
even those very light bodies. A man who faltered was usually hit
on the head.
 
(p. 62)

I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all. Sometimes
there was a hidden reason which we learned of only after many
dozen had been killed; for example, at the north entrance of
the mortuary yard many people had been killed before we realized
that the particular guard in charge of that gateway wanted to
see people go through at the double dragging the dead body
behind. He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
hundreds were shot per day.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 19:11:48 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

# They also filled the latrines and compound with trash and
# filth, so much so that the latrines eventually ceased to
# function. This would explain the pervasive stench around
# Auschwitz and another reason why it was referred to as
# .Anus Mundi..

Unfortunately for our lying Nazi-apologist, the reason
why Auschwitz was referred to by that name, was the horror
it inspired in some of those who witnessed the mass murder
of innocent human beings there:

Notes From Diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 256-268]
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2 September 1942

3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to
me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the
extermination camp for nothing!

5 September 1942

In the morning attended a Sonderaktion from the women's concentration
camp (Muslims); the most dreadful of horrors. Hschf. Thilo -- army
doctor -- was right when he said to me this is the 'anus mundi'. In
the evening towards 8.00 attended another Sonderaktion from
Holland.

['Muslims' does not mean "practicing Islam"; this is the way the SS
 referred to emaciated people].




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 19:11:49 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: German Clergymen Protest Nazi Mass Murder, I
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Letter from Dr. Hilfrich, Bishop of Limburg, to the Reich Minister of
Justice, August 13 1941 
[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. I, p. 845-846]
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Regarding the report submitted on July 16 by the Chairman of the Fulda
Bishops' conference, Cardinal Dr. Bertram, I consider it my duty to
present the following as a concrete illustration of destruction of
so-called "useless life".

About 8 Kilometers from Limburg in the little town of Hadamar, on a
hill overlooking the town, there is an institution which had formerly
served various purposes and of late had been used as a nursing home.
This institution was renovated and furnished as a place in which, by
consensus of opinion, the above mentioned Euthanasia has been
systematically practiced for months- approximately since February
1941. This fact is, of course, known beyond the administrative
district of Wiesbaden...

Several times a week buses arrive in Hadamard with a considerable
number of such victims. School children of the vicinity know this
vehicle and say "here comes the murder-box again". After the arrival
of the vehicle, the citizens of Hadamar watch the smoke rise out of
the chimney...

The effect of the principles at work here that children call each
other names and say "you're crazy; you'll be sent to the baking oven
in Hadamar"...

All God-fearing man consider this destruction of helpless beings a
crass injustice...

Officials of the State Police, it is said, are trying to suppress
discussions of the Hadamar occurrences by means of severe threats...

I beg you most humbly, Herr Reich Minister, in the sense of the report
of the Episcopate of 16 July of this year, to prevent further
transgressions of the Fifth Commandment of God.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 07:02:45 PST 1996
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e0191187@brookes.ac.uk asks:

# Why is Al Baron in jail?

How do you know he's in jail, BTW? From reading this
newsgroup? Or did you hear about it from another source?

Do you know Baron? I kind of feel sorry for the guy. He
really, really, needs help.

posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 07:02:46 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Some Holocaust Facts
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octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:

# But just our of curiosity, how did Rabbi "The Amazing" 
# Weissmandel know the number would be 6 million a year before 
# the end of the war?

Assuming he did say that (and I'm not willing to believe anything 
Matt posts without verifying it, since he lied so many times in the
past), it is not that surprising. (If) he made this estimate, it was
in the summer of 1944, right? The large majority of the victims were
already dead by then, as this was after the Einsatzgruppen massacres,
after all the victims of Belzec, Treblinka, Sobibor and Chelmno were
already murdered, after a great many people were already murdered in
Auschwitz and in the ghettos. I guess the real figure was more than 5
million. If Weissmandel indeed gave the figure of 6 million in the
summer of 1944, his estimate was rather accurate.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 07:30:24 PST 1996
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It's true that, in Germany, denying the Holocaust is illegal.

(I think that it is illegal, actually, to deny any genocide;
or maybe that law holds in France? I recall someone was
taken to court for denying the Armenian genocide).

It's a pity, since those who deny the Holocaust are a sorry
bunch of stupid Nazi bastards, and prosecuting them only
helps them gain sympathy.

It is also rather ironic, BTW, that these Nazi bastards
are screeching and howling about "freedom of speech". A
Nazi supporting freedom of speech reminds me of someone
who kills his parents, and then asks the judge for mercy,
because he's an orphan.

Even more ironic is the fact that the world's "leading
revisionist", Ernst Zundel, called to ban the TV series
"Holocaust" and the movie "Schindler's List", while
simultaneously claiming to support free speech...


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 15:40:24 PST 1996
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octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:
# brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote:

## It's about the methods of examining history, not 'revenge'.
## Giwer (an the denier cadre) bellow about physical evidence
## for the holocaust, and yet they believe in such things as
## the Dresden Bombing, Stalin's murders, Israeli mistreatment
## of palestinains, the liberty disaster, and so on without
## any physical evidence at all.

# What is most amusing is that you folks can pretend there is no
# physical evidence of the others.  
#      
# But remember, I am completely willing to agree with you that none
# of the above occurred.

Please note that "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer agrees, among
other things, that:

1) Dresden was never bombed.

2) Stalin's regime never killed anyone.

This is indeed a major breakthrough in "revisionism". Way to go,
Matt. I only wonder how, with dem famed 163 IQ points, it took
you so much time to figure it out.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 15:40:25 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jewish Anti-Semitism II
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truthsk763@aol.com (Truthsk763) writes:

# Noam Chomsky - Known for his brilliant work in the field of
# linguistics, Chomsky is a passionate "anti-Zionist" who has
# criticized the Palestine Liberation Organization for making
# peace with Israel.  He is a close associate of virulent 
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# anti-Semite and Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is, plain and simple, not true. Chomsky is not my hero,
but there is no need to make such claims as you have made here.

Chomsky is not, at any rate, a "close associate" of Faurisson;
neither is he, at any rate, a Holocaust denier. He has most
clearly stated that he has never seen any reason to believe
what the deniers are saying.

# David Cole - A filmmaker active with the Institute of Historical
# Review,who made a video which attempts to refute the thesis that
# genocide was committed at Auschwitz.

Cole is indeed a rather miserable fellow, a 26-year-old highschool
dropout, who probably joined forces with various Nazis in order
to have his moment in the spotlight. It did get him into some
talk shows...

Posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 15:40:26 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# What she was, was a 21 year old girl who was murdered on
# the basis of false testimony, 

She testified about the selections to the gas chambers, and
her participation in these selections.

But you "forgot" to include this in the excerpts you took from
her testimony... right?

You should see a doctor about that memory problem.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 17:44:25 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

## Mr.Keren, poster of this eyewitness testimony, could you expand
## on what this witness meant by, "When I asked him where the spinning
## materials came from, he told me proudly that they had come from the
## Jews". 
## 
##        If one had an aerial photograph or eyewitness plan of this
## Belzec, could you explain where these spinning mills would have 
been?  
## 
##        The testimony also states Globocnik told him, "He also 
mentioned
## that work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production".
## Now we haven't any other information on this spinning industry at this
## time, said to have taken place at Belzec but, "considerably
## outstrip(ing)" the German spinning industry seems quite awesome 
and we
## should think there should be some kind of record of the Belzec
## industry being put together, machines, shipping whatever and records
## of distribution of the finished spinning product. Do you know if there
## is any record of this?

# Mr.(Dr.)Keren?

Well, Tommy, why don't you do something productive for a change,
and study this matter? You could start by writing the "Institute
for Contemporary History" in Munich, for instance.

Why should I do your work for you, Tommy? 

BTW, I assume that the spinning mills were not at the death camp
itself, but in the town of Belzec.

But, once again: if you're interested in this topic, why don't
you do some research yourself?

# Mr.(Dr.)Keren?

Is this "Mr.(Dr.)" thing supposed to insult me, Tommy? You're 
60-years-old, right? Can you possibly start acting your age?

Or is that old inferiority complex kicking into gear again, Tommy?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:50 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'They probably thought they were being inoculated'
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Four Polish witnesses, three of them doctors, and two SS men, testify
about murder with phenol injections in Auschwitz. Among the murdered
were 120 children from the village of Zamosc.

All the following testimonies are excerpted from "Auschwitz: the
Proceedings Against Mulka and Others" by Bernd Nauman. The SS men
who usually did the killing were Hantl, Scherpe, and Klehr (who also
participated in the gassing operations).

Testimony of Professor Fejkiel from Cracow (Poland) who was arrested by 
the Nazis and imprisoned in Auschwitz between October 1940 and January
1945 (p. 153-4):
----------------------------------------------------------------------                                       
The witness reports that the experiments to kill prisoners with 
injections were begun in 1942.

"First they tried benzine, but that turned out to be impractical. I
know of a case where death did not occur for forty-five minutes. They
looked for a quicker method. The second medium was hydrogen; then came
phenolic acid".

First it was administered intravenously, then directly into the heart:
"I assume that the intravenous method took too long".

"Do you know who killed, where the murders took place, and how many
people were the victims of such injections?"

"I will begin with the number killed: I assume that about 30,000 people
were killed in this fashion".

First came infirm Jews, then other hospital patients, then people not
hospitalized, including prisoners "which the Gestapo sent in a round-
about way".

"Who did the killing?"

"At first Dr. Entress himself, then Klehr, and then - in this order - 
Scherpe and Hantl. Hantl did it rarely. We thought of Hantl as a decent
man and were surprised that he did it".


Testimony of SS men Klehr (p. 71):
------------------------------------------
"How did you kill these prisoners?"
"Well, like before. With a shot of phenol into the heart".


SS men Scherpe is asked about the murder of the Zamosc children (p. 79):
-----------------------------------------------------------------
According to testimony by numerous witnesses during the pretrial
hearing, at least 119 children were murdered with phenol injections
in the closing days of February, 1943. Force was used to get them into
the executioner's chair, and Scherpe himself gave them the lethal
injection into their hearts. It was so horrible that the "medic" ran
away in desperation. The next day his colleague Hantl, a co-defendant,
murdered the remaining 80 children.

"You broke down and couldn't go on?" the judge asks.
"That is exaggerated. It isn't true".

Scherpe no longer wants to admit what he himself said earlier, that the
children, panic-stricken, had screamed.

"That is not so. I didn't say that. It is also not true. They suspected
nothing. They probably thought they were being inoculated".

The last boy waiting outside began to cry and called for his companions
who didn't return. And that was the only indication the defendant had
that the children may have feared death.


Polish physician, Dr. Klodzinski, testifies about the murder of the 
Zamosc children (p. 152):
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the afternoon came the order to kill the children. They were led
into the washroom, and told to undress and line up. And then Scherpe
came; I still remember that".

Klodzinski speaks of the dead silence in Block 20 at that moment; 
nothing was heard except thumps "- it was a muffled sound" - as the
heads and bodies of the slain children fell to the floor of the 
washroom.

"Suddenly Scherpe came out of the room and said 'I can't anymore', and
left. After a while Hantl took his place and and murdered the remaining
children".


Warsaw physician Dr. Glowacki testifies (p. 137-8):
---------------------------------------------------
"How many in your opinion were selected by the defendant [Klehr] on his
own authority?"

"He certainly selected and killed more than 10,000".

[...]

But the witness saw how Scherpe "personally administered injections in
Block 20. It happened during the murder of children from the vicinity
of Zamosc. There were so many of them that they had to line them up
between the barracks. Some of the children wee led into the area of
Block 20, where Scherpe killed them while the others were still playing
outside. There were more than 100".

He remembers this case so well because Scherpe had suddenly paused. "We
thought he was conscience-stricken and that was the reason he broke off
in the middle of murdering the children. I clearly remember him 
stopping. He left, and we never saw him again after that. Hantl took 
over. Hantl finished the murder of the children".

Stanislaus Glowa testifies (p. 183-186):
----------------------------------------
Glowa, like many of the witnesses who preceded him, tells of the 
"experimental gassing" at the end of 1941 in Block 11, of the slayings
with phenol, first at Block 28 and then in Block 20 of the prisoner
hospital.

"Klehr, Scherpe and Hantl regularly took part in the killings with 
phenol. But I would like to point out at this time, for the sake of
justice, if I had to set up a scale of responsibility, that the last-
named behaved like saints compared to Klehr".

[...]

The court also hears this witness tell of the fate of 120 boys from the
Polish village of Zamosc. Their parents had been killed, and the
children were brought to Auschwitz, where, after a few weeks, it was
decided to kill them as well. Work-detail leader Palitzch brought them
into the courtyard of the hospital on a February morning in 1943, where
the played and were given food by older prisoners. 

"They were hungry and frightened and told of having been beaten. All of
us felt sorry for them. Again and again they asked: 'Will we be killed?
Why?'. They had to wait a few hours to the end".

Prisoner-clerk Glowa sat in the aisle of hospital building 20, where
almost daily he crossed of the names of patients "injected" by Klehr
>from  the list of inmates. Not far from where he sat was the curtain 
behind which the victims had to stand in the corridor until a prisoner 
took them into the "examination room" where Klehr was waiting for them 
with his phenol injection.

"Scherpe and Hantl came in that afternoon, and they worked for a long
time. In order to shorten the terrible torment of the children, I would
take them to the curtain and tell them they are going to be bathed. The
first ones had screamed with terror in the room".

"Do you have children"? Glowa asks in a breaking voice, and then 
continues: "It was horrible. Why did they kill us? That is why I 
helped, to shorten the torment. After it was over I saw Hantl in a 
state of complete collapse". 




The court at Frankfurt sentenced Klehr to life in prison, Scherpe to
4 years and 6 months, Hantl to 3 years and 6 months. Since Hantl had
served his sentence in confinement awaiting trial, he left the court a
free man.

-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:50 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Okay, Mr.(Dr.)Keren says he doesn't want to stand by his post.

That's a lie, Tommy, and even you can't be so stupid so
as not to realize you're lying. My time is limited, and I
don't find the German spinning industry of enough interest
to further investigate what you asked about.

If you are interested, why don't you investigate it
yourself? You're interested in the truth, right?

You're 60-years-old. Why do you have to behave like a
silly, little, lying child?

And the "Mr.(Dr.) Keren" again. Is this supposed to be
smart? To be funny? Do you have to demonstrate to the
readers of this group, yet again, your inferiority
complex? Maybe see a shrink instead?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:51 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Mr.(Dr.)Keren has used this terminology before, "huge
# amounts" of human remains were found. I had ask him
# before to cite the source for his claim. He never came
# back.

Sure I did. Huge numbers of corpses were found in Belsen
and other camps, as you know well. Huge amounts of ashes
and human remains were found in Treblinka and Maidanek.

Now, Tommy, you're apparently adopting the "revisionist"
argument of "show me six million corpses". Therefore, I
address to you the question: "show me one corpse of
someone who was killed in the alleged aerial attack
on Dresden". If you can't do it, well, according to
your own standards this attack never took place.

# Go for it. Give it the ol' PhD.

That old inferiority complex surely kicks in when the
sun goes down, eh Tommy? Grow up.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:52 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Goebbels' diaries on the Final Solution, 1942-43
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The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942: 
[The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948, 
p. 147-148]
-----------------------------------------------------------
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government 
[Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure 
is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. 
Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 
60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent 
can be used for forced labor.




-Danny Keren.



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[Follwoup = alt.revisionism]

octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:

For those not familiar with the Matt Giwer phenomena,
he is the one posting under all these aliases. Matt has
been active in alt.revisionism for about a year now,
and he gained the reputation of being the most vulgar
and stupid of the "revisionists" posting in that group.
His articles usually consist of a mixture of outright lies,
four-letter words, and threats of inflicting violence
on those who disagree with him. He was also thrown
out of four ISP's so far, for abuse, sending e-mail
bombs, etc.

Matt claims to "support freedom of speech", but it
didn't stop him from sending an abusive e-mail to
my ISP, and demanding that my postings be limited.
He also threatened my ISP that he will be e-mail
bombed if he doesn't limit my postings.

When it was pointed out to Giwer that the construction
documents of the Auschwitz-Birkenau crematoriums mention
"gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in them, he responded
that this doesn't prove anything, as this mention may have
been due to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of the
SS-men who authored the documents.

That is the level and depth of his "revisionist" arguments.

Let's see what he writes about Treblinka:

# How about none of the survivors coming close to describing
# Treblinka?

What? Who? What survivors? Anyone in particular you
had in mind? Of course not.

# How about no two survivors giving the same description of
# Treblinka?

They all gave the same description, as did all the SS-men
who were there: it was a death camp.

# How about the survivors who told of impossible things?

Such as?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:54 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Her testimony clearly says that she never saw gas chambers
# and it was only based upon rumors.

Her testimony clearly says that she participated in the
gas chamber selections. One of her duties, which she spoke
about, was to chase the victims who tried to escape after
being selected to die in the gas chambers, and bring them
back to the roll call.

Being the lying Nazi that you are, you "forgot" this
part of her testimony.

# She didn't gas anyone.

That's true. But she did testify about the selections.

# You should see a rabbi about this lying problem you seem
# to have.

Look at this Nazi swine, "rblackmore". Save for Matt Giwer,
he is the worst liar in this group. A good example is his
claim that Amon Goeth was "executed by the SS" for
mistreating Jews, while in reality he was tried and executed
by the Poles after the war.

# You need spiritual guidance.

Look who's talking... a Nazi swine, who:

1) Constantly lies about the Holocaust (see above).

2) Posts hard-core antisemitic "poems" to a Nazi mailing
   list (see Gord McFee's articles in which the "poem"
   is quoted), and then says it was a "joke".

3) Hounds teenage boys on alt.acadia, and then says that
   it wasn't him, but someone else using his account.

You're really a piece of filth, "rblackmore"... a lying,
perverted piece of filth.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 12:21:34 PST 1996
Article: 87306 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Freedom-of-Speech Intervenors Needed!
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: 
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:41:38 GMT
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christ@adnc.com (Chris Winkler) writes:

# Freedom-of-Speech Intervenors Needed! Does anyone care
# about free speech anymore?

I care, which is why I condemn Ernst Zundel's efforts to ban
the TV series "Holocaust" and the movie "Schindler's List".

Cheers,


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 13:36:23 PST 1996
Article: 87311 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:10:57 GMT
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Victims?  Roll call was to establish how many people
# were present.

Mr. "rblackmore" seems to forget, yet again, that his
beloved Irma Grese (last seen dangling from a rope
in Germany), had testified that roll calls were also
held to select victims who were to be murdered in the
gas chambers. He also "forgot" that she said one of
her jobs in Auschwitz-Birkenau was to chase the
victims who tried to escape from these roll calls,
bring them back, and beat them up.

But, really, I don't think he "forgot" that. I think
he knows this very well. And that this is what makes
him love and admire Irma Grese so much.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 13:36:24 PST 1996
Article: 87312 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Question...
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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:31:09 GMT
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

[To me]

# Look who's talking....Mr. Necrophilia.

Why am I "Mr. Necrophilia"? Because I post photographs
of the victims your beloved Nazis have murdered?

You should be proud of these pictures, right? You
enjoy watching them, right? They display what you
consider the greatest achievement of your Fuehrer,
right?

So why are you upset when I post them? This is really,
really odd.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 22:36:10 PST 1996
Article: 87409 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Myshkin vs. Reality
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <32b08e84.10718888@news.gte.net> <58qtuf$rjk@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> <32b9f61d.532827@news.gte.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 14:10:00 GMT
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octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:

Matt Giwer (using another alias) makes some lame comments on 
the report sent by Michael Dov Weissmandel. Giwer's comments 
are preceded by "#".

 "Information supplied us by a few eyewitnesses reveals 
that in February there were four disposal buildings. We 
have learned that more have been built since then".

# [And a report that more than four HAVE BEEN built.  In 
# absense of Kremas VI on up the fabrication is obvious 

He's most probably referring to one of the so-called 
"Bunkers" which was also used during the murder of 
the Hungarian Jews, in addition to Kremas II,III,IV and V.

 "Formerly, the Germans killed and burned the Jews in the 
Forest of Birkenwald, near Auschwitz. Now the killing and 
burning take place in the buildings shown on the enclosed map".

# [The killing and burning was clearly "IN THE Forest" but 
# later in buildings. Another clear fabrication.  

He's obviously referring to the period before the Kremas
were built, when the victims were murdered and burned in
the so-called "white" and "red" bunkers, which were indeed
in the forest.

 "Silent while thousand on thousands, reaching now to six million 
Jews, were murdered". 

# And here we have it.  A secret German operation that included 
# the EG and this cave man KNOWS the number of six million even 
# before it reaches there.

This was May 1944. The large majority of the victims were 
already murdered by then: the Einsatzgruppen victims; those
who were murdered in Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno;
those who died in the ghettos and in many smaller camps. By
May 1944, about 85 percent of the victims, if not more, were
already dead. The six million estimate given by Weissmandel
is reasonably accurate.

And you have proven yourself, yet again, to be an ignorant
fool who knows nothing about the history of the Holocaust.

You don't have any problems in passing judgment and analyzing
events and matters of which you know nothing about. Maybe that's
one of the reasons you're unemployed.


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 22:36:10 PST 1996
Article: 87431 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
Message-ID: 
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Back to cases.  If corpses are rotting in the water, our
# brilliant counselor says, take out the bodies and the water
# is pure.

Stop being an idiot. The corpses were not in the river's water,
which the SS could have easily supplied to the inmates (who in
the meanwhile were dying of thirst). The corpses were in water
basins in the camp, and they probably got there because the
SS-men murdered people and threw them into the basins.

The Brits have immediately established running water in the camp,
using only equipment they found there. The SS could have done
this, had they cared about the inmates.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 22:36:11 PST 1996
Article: 87432 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'rblackmore' Lies Yet Again (Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer IV)
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

## He [Kramer] was in command of the camp.  He made no effort
## to stop what the men under his command were doing.  They were
## killing inmates even as the liberators entered the camp.

# To bad the "liberators" (who were there by negotiation of the
# camp's early surrender at Kramer's instigation) did not report
# any such thing.

Of course they did. You have the book "The Belsen Trial", right?
Look at page 34, the testimony of Brigadier Glyn Hughes.

You will *not* get away with these lies, nazi-boy. Didn't you
learn this already? I have the book, and I can check what you
write. So be careful.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:15 PST 1996
Article: 87506 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32bf0cf2.2566041@199.0.216.204> <32bc2ca4.7914747@news.gte.net>  <32bcae1a.20761814@news.gte.net>
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himmelfarbe@treblinka.fake (Tickle Me Grabner) writes:

# Any lying kike telling boozing stories.  Belsen had exactly
# ONE outdoor oven.  

Was Belsen the only camp in Germany proper? What do you
think, Matt?

# There are no claims of the EG burning bodies save for
# the kike keren's lies.

Have you heard of Paul Blobel, who was assigned the task
of burning the corpses of those murdered by the Einsatzgruppen?
Maybe you should read his testimony?

And, as you know well, you cannot show us *one* corpse of
someone who died in Dresden. So, where do you go with your
"show me all the corpses" argument?

# IF you ever sober up, get back to me.

If you ever have an answer, get back to me.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:16 PST 1996
Article: 87509 of alt.revisionism
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himmelfarbe@treblinka.fake (Tickle Me Adolph) writes:

# Daniel Keren claimed he got 53,664 relatives in the
# same amount of time.

I never made any such claim. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:17 PST 1996
Article: 87510 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# The emaciated corpses died from disease.

These people, and numerous others, were starved to death.

# The artifacts allegedly made from corpses of inmates is
# a fraud.

No, they are not. If you can prove they are, go ahead.

# The shrunken head came from a museum in South America.

You posted this claim a dozen times. Every time I asked you
to provide any evidence whatsoever for it, and every time
you have declined. You have also failed to address the fact
that the shrunken heads are mentioned in an official
correspondence between Nazi officials.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:18 PST 1996
Article: 87519 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:

# If you reduce the bodies to simply their two cubic feet
# of water and stack them into a pyramid you get a structure
# the size of the great pyramid at Giza and enough left over
# in the other 6 million for another pyramid of equal size.

There are a few grave (no pun intended) problems with this
argument, Matt.

1) Most corpses were burned. This, of course, decreases the
   volume of the remains by a large factor.

2) Many corpses and huge amount of human remains *were* found.

3) Stalin's regime is alleged to have killed even more than
   six million. You have admitted that you cannot produce
   *one* single corpse of one of these victims. You have admitted
   that you cannot produce *one* single corpse of someone who
   was killed in the alleged aerial attack on Dresden. So, what
   you're saying is that not only the Holocaust is a "hoax", but
   that Stalin's atrocities and Dresden's bombing are a "hoax"
   as well.

Ooops - but you already said that, in a previous article.

I knew that it would take a man of your caliber to finally
make this major breakthrough in "revisionism". In this great
country, even senile, unemployed drunkards like you have their
moments of glory.

Here's a toast for the senile, unemployed drunkard from Tampa,
Matt Giwer. He may be quite a repulsive, boring fellow, but he
will go down in history as one of those who shaped "Holocaust
revisionism" and carried it to heights unheard of. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:19 PST 1996
Article: 87567 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <32BB14C8.76D3@phoenix.net> 
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:04:02 GMT
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Doc Tavish  asks:

# Honest question and I am not trying to be a "wise guy" but
# what were the standards of nutrition for the civilians
# outside the camps?

Pretty good. If you look at the photos posted on Nizkor's
web site, in the directories

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

You will see that the German civilians and the SS-men
and women are very well fed. This is also obvious when
watching the movies taken during the liberation of the
camps.

Moreover, the death rate at the "work camps" was as high
as 10 percent a month, long before the end of the war
(late 1942), when there was absolutely no lack of food
in Germany.

Posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:20 PST 1996
Article: 87589 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <599o48$jnh$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <32bb1b30.4635765@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <59eclh$a8c@news1.ucsd.edu>
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:44:48 GMT
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# Is this not one beautiful woman, the very essence of
# Teutonic beauty.

## She looks like a guy in drag to me.
##
## But if you say she's beautiful, I can't complain. To each
## his or her own.

If there's so much interest, I can post a jpeg of Irma Grese,
so this important question can be settled.

In

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/
Bormann.jpg

There's the photo of another of the SS-women from Auschwitz,
Juana Bormann.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:20 PST 1996
Article: 87596 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Nazi Atrocities?
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) asks:

# Nizkor is PAYING people to read this newsgroup?  
#
# Dammit, McVay--I've been reading this nazi tripe for
# FREE these last three years.  WHERE'S MY MONEY, MCVAY?

And what are *you* complaining about? I was reading this
Nazi tripe before there was even alt.revisionism, back
in the days when the original nazi-boy himself, Dan
Gannon, was the "king of revisionism".

And I didn't get one cent either.

But I think there is indeed *someone* who is getting paid.

Look at the senile, unemployed, Nazi drunkard from Tampa,
who is flooding this group with his "revisionist" drivel.
With his racism, death threats, insane ravings, foul language,
and endless string of infantile lies, this person probably 
caused more damage to the cause of "revisionism" than
anyone else.

If I was running ZOG, I'd pay him. A lot!  :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:38:51 PST 1996
Article: 40077 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Nazi Atrocities?
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) asks:

# Nizkor is PAYING people to read this newsgroup?  
#
# Dammit, McVay--I've been reading this nazi tripe for
# FREE these last three years.  WHERE'S MY MONEY, MCVAY?

And what are *you* complaining about? I was reading this
Nazi tripe before there was even alt.revisionism, back
in the days when the original nazi-boy himself, Dan
Gannon, was the "king of revisionism".

And I didn't get one cent either.

But I think there is indeed *someone* who is getting paid.

Look at the senile, unemployed, Nazi drunkard from Tampa,
who is flooding this group with his "revisionist" drivel.
With his racism, death threats, insane ravings, foul language,
and endless string of infantile lies, this person probably 
caused more damage to the cause of "revisionism" than
anyone else.

If I was running ZOG, I'd pay him. A lot!  :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 11:12:39 PST 1996
Article: 52981 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Nazi Atrocities?
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) asks:

# Nizkor is PAYING people to read this newsgroup?  
#
# Dammit, McVay--I've been reading this nazi tripe for
# FREE these last three years.  WHERE'S MY MONEY, MCVAY?

And what are *you* complaining about? I was reading this
Nazi tripe before there was even alt.revisionism, back
in the days when the original nazi-boy himself, Dan
Gannon, was the "king of revisionism".

And I didn't get one cent either.

But I think there is indeed *someone* who is getting paid.

Look at the senile, unemployed, Nazi drunkard from Tampa,
who is flooding this group with his "revisionist" drivel.
With his racism, death threats, insane ravings, foul language,
and endless string of infantile lies, this person probably 
caused more damage to the cause of "revisionism" than
anyone else.

If I was running ZOG, I'd pay him. A lot!  :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 14:40:45 PST 1996
Article: 87631 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# But aren't you interested in knowing what the witness meant by:
# "When I asked him where the spinning materials came from, he
# told me proudly that they had come from the Jews".
#
# What do you think he was talking about? Just take a guess.
# Was it, hair?

No, I thought he was talking about textile, which is also
mentioned in the reports of what was looted from the
Jews. I have posted such reports.

But, again, if you're so interested, why don't you
make a minimal effort to find out?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 16:37:54 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:

# So how about explaining WHY there are no huge ash finds
# and barely a handful of mass graves.

As noted here, many times, huge amounts of ashes and
human remains *were* found.

Why do you have to keep lying about this well-documented
fact?

And I ask you yet again, where are all the corpses of
Dresden's victims, or Stalin's persecutions? You cannot
produce *one* such corpse. According to your "revisionist"
logic, these events never took place.

But you know that.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 16:37:55 PST 1996
Article: 87684 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
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himmelfarbe@treblinka.fake (Tickle Me Adolph) writes:

# Belsen was a  major death camp, remember?

No, it was not a "major death camp". Far less people
were murdered there than in some of the other camps.

# Or are you saying that the end of war deaths were
# extraordinary?

More people were murdered in Belsen at the end of
the war than during other periods.

# Excuse me, NINE million bodies were burned?

I am not sure just how many were burned. Paul Blobel
was in charge of burning the corpses of those massacred
by the Einsatzgruppen. You should read his testimony.

## And, as you know well, you cannot show us *one* corpse of
## someone who died in Dresden. So, where do you go with your
## "show me all the corpses" argument?

# Such an "argument" was your distortion.

The argument is very clear, and very simple:

You claim that, in order to prove that so-and-so people
died, all their corpses have to be presented. Otherwise,
so you say, their deaths cannot be proved.

I apply your "argument" above to demonstrate that, since
you cannot present one - ONE - corpse of someone who was
killed in Dresden, you have thus "proved" that Dresden's
bombing is a "hoax".

You have also, of course, "proved" that Stalin's atrocities
are a "hoax". Same for the alleged mass death of German
civilians after the war, not to mention the insane claims
of your fellow Nazis about the 1 million German POW's,
allegedly murdered by the US Armed Forces after the war.

Now, it's very simple. All you have to do is answer a 
simple question:

Do you believe that, in order to prove that a given
number of people died, one has to present all their
corpses?

Yes or no?

Can you answer a simple question?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 17:10:16 PST 1996
Article: 87691 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: From the Same Folks Who Brought You "Homicidal Gas Chambers"
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# At the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in
# 1946 it was found that "the policy pursued [by the German
# government] resulted in the killing of six million Jews of
# which four million were killed in extermination institutions."

That's rather accurate.

# The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage
# of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work,
# and were nevertheless not killed.

And how do you know they were not killed?

# For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
# 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of
# the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported
# that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able
# to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some
# 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work.

And what do you think happened to them? BTW, if you're
quoting the reports of the SS Economic Division, how
about quoting the reports about a death rate of 10 percent
per month in the "work camps", as early as 1942?

But the bigger question, kurtzi, is the following. Why does
a "work camp" with 25,000 people need five - FIVE - huge
crematoriums, with a total of 52 cremation furnaces?

Even assuming that each furnace could burn only 10 corpses
per day - and they could burn far more - this gives us no
less than 15,600 corpses a month, that the furnaces could
dispose of.

Why does a "work camp" with 25,000 people need this astounding
cremation capacity?

And, last question: why do you keep denying what you obviously
consider to be the greatest achievement of your Fuehrer, that
is, the mass murder of innocent human beings? Your quote below
speaks for itself. Why are you such a coward?


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 23:08:34 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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SS-men "punished for killing Jews"?

See what an SS-court had to say on the matter. It cannot
be any more clear than this. Only a "revisionist" can
fail to understand this document.

Excerpts from Verdict of the SS Court in Munich, against
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press,  NY, 1988, p, 196-207]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against
the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the
Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should
have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of
Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should
be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take
part in the extermination of Jewry himself.



An SS-court states that the Jews "have to be exterminated",
and that various units were "set up especially for this purpose".

But even this is not proof enough for our "revisionist
scholars"...


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 23 07:53:32 PST 1996
Article: 87759 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Big "Mistake"
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Now Mr.Keren, can you say which camp it might have been
# that the Russians took over where there were still
# "the suffocated bodies in recently arrived cattle cars"?
#
#       Mr.Keren?

Sigh. Tommy, I am not a mind reader, and it is not my
job to speculate on what another person (Sachar) wrote.

If you want to know, find out his address, and ask him.

Why is it so hard for you to understand?

BTW Tommy, how's the Streicher schtick pulling these days?


-Danny Keren.

 ---
Tommy Moran pulls his Streicher schtick:



 From tm@pacificnet.net 
 Article: 81079 of alt.revisionism
 
        Keep an eye out for these Hebrew characteristics.
Hebrews have a problem with controlling their body language. 
They either jam their hands deep into their pockets or fold their 
arms in front of them in a self hugging stance, to keep their
hands from flailing about. They also shuffle in place.
        Ah yes the huggems, the Larry King syndrome.







From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 23 07:53:34 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## In
##
## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/
## Bormann.jpg
##
## There's the photo of another of the SS-women from Auschwitz,
## Juana Bormann.

# Right, Dan....And I suppose the photos were taken at a
# Hollywood Glamour Studio and the ladies were attended to by
# beauticians before the photos you posted were taken........

What's your problem? You think SS-woman Juana Bormann was ugly?
You think this is why I posted her photograph?

# Would you like me to start scanning and posting photos of Jewish
# people from the pages of the Stuermer?  Continue with this little
# game and I will do it--rb

You're trying to scare me, nazi-boy, or what?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 23 07:53:35 PST 1996
Article: 87792 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# I will say this again:  I am not an anti-Semite.

Did you post the following to a Nazi mailing list? And
justified it as a "joke"?

Yes or no? Mr. McFee posted your e-mail containing this.
You do not deny it, right?

 "Izzy gets a sentimental feeling every year
  Everyone can hear him holler
  'Deck my tree with silver dollars'

  Rockin around the Hannukah bush
  Izzy's tribe is here to stay
  Ripping dumb old Goyim off
  In that good old Jewish way"



# I number many jewish people among my acquaintances and friends.

I don't believe you. Name these people, if they exist.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 23 07:53:36 PST 1996
Article: 87793 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: WHAT I BELIEVE
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octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:

# It is not a matter of what anyone believes.  It is
# a fact there is no physical evidence for gassing and
# no physical evidence of millions of bodies to support
# assertions about what happened.

As noted here, many times, the physical evidence to the
Holocaust includes:

 - Many documents and photographs.

 - Huge numbers of corpses and human remains in some of the camps.

 - Some of the gas chambers, with cyanide traces on their walls.

 - Some of the mass graves, discovered after the war.

Thus, there is far greater physical evidence for the Holocaust
than for:

 - The bombing of Dresden.

 - The death of German civilians after the war.

 - Stalin's atrocities.

It's very simple. It should be clear to any rational person. But
"Holocaust revisionists" are not rational people. See below.


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 23 07:53:36 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

buchenwald02.jpg:
Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.

shrunken.jpg: 
The shrunken head of an inmate.

buchenwald04.jpg: 
German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops 
have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how 
well-dressed and well-fed they are.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 23 07:53:37 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Fuhrer's Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
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The lame Nazi-apologist "rblackmore", posting under
the alias of tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101), writes:

[Article consisting of the header of an article posted 
to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pornstars]

Has this miserable little Nazi completely lost his
mind? Is this the final reply that these "revisionists"
can give when their stupid lies are exposed?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 23 07:53:38 PST 1996
Article: 87809 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: WHAT I BELIEVE
Message-ID: 
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rawidmann@aol.com (RAWidmann) writes:

# WHAT I BELIEVE, WHAT I DON'T, AND WHY
# By Bradley R. Smith

# The reasons I no longer believe either story is that
# no physical remains of authentic homicidal gassing
# chambers exist today,

Lie number 1. The remains exist and there are still
cyanide traces on the walls of the gas chambers. This
fact is even admitted by the "revisionists".

# and there are no war-time generated documents which
# prove they ever did.

Lie number 2. There are such documents. The "gas chamber"
and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums are
mentioned in some documents.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

Vergasungskeller.jpg
Document mentioning the "gassing cellar" in Krema II in
Birkenau.

Gas_Detector.jpg
Letter asking to deliver detectors for cyanide gas to
crematorium in Birkenau.

Gaskammern.jpg
Construction document which mentions a "gas chamber"
(Gaskammer) in Krema no. 5 in Birkenau.

There are other documents, such as the letter from
Wetzel to Lohse, in which the murder of Jews "unfit
for work" using gas is discussed:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-01.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-02.jpg

It is clear that Smith is a liar. Right from the start of
his short "essay", he brazenly lies about two important
matters concerning the gas chambers.

# I'm willing to be convinced I'm wrong about any or
# all of this.

I don't think so. Smith is a cynical liar with no interest
in the truth whatsoever. Anyway, the proof that he's wrong
was posted.

# I'm not willing to go away, however. I don't know why,
# but I'm not willing.

Why? because you're a disgusting human being. I really
cannot think of any other reason.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 24 08:24:45 PST 1996
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Mr. Lemire, can you please tell us why Ernst Zundel
tried to ban the TV series "Holocaust"?

Can you tell us why he tried to ban the movie
"Schindler's List"?

Don't be so stupid so as to deny this. The scans
of his fliers, calling to ban "Holocaust" and
"Schindler's List" are posted on Nizkor's web site.

And Zundel claims to support free speech?

Also, I'd like your comments on Zundel's "UFO research".
As you must know, he claims that a group of Nazis escaped
the collapsing Reich and flew into the inner earth, using
"secret UFO's". Please, don't be so stupid so as to deny
this. Zundel admitted this, and some fliers of his on
this topic are also posted on Nizkor's web site.

Zundel also claims that he "met some of the German
scientists who planned and built the UFO's".

Is this true, or is Zundel lying? What do you think?

I'm waiting for your answer.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 24 08:24:46 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Dresden
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himmelfarbe@treblinka.fake (Tickle Me Adolph) writes:

# That is what is expected from a boozing, lying kike shyster.

I think Matt posted this sentence 20 times today. Probably,
Alan B. Kennady ("ehrlich606") didn't send him anything new
to post, and poor old Matt is on his own.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 24 08:24:47 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# You wouldn't need to guide me, Mr. Power.  I am quite
# familiar with the Bible.  And if this was the law which
# Jesus said neither jot nor title would pass away, why
# was circumcision done away with?

Not because of Jesus. Wasn't it Paul who did away with 
most of the Biblical laws, after Jesus died?

As I recall from some reading I did on the history of
Christianity, in the beginning everyone who wanted to become
a Christian had to first convert to Judaism, and strictly
follow Biblical law. Only then could he join the Christian
sect (which, do not forget, was a sect within Judaism).

Paul later did away with the Biblical laws; possibly, for 
purely pragmatic reasons.

Who should be named the "father of Christianity"? Jesus or 
Paul? Serious comments are welcome; I think this is an 
interesting topic.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 24 08:24:48 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: I Thought You Were Smarter Than That
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10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:
# aviatorp47@aol.com (Aviatorp47) wrote:

## Aviator writes:
## 
## This is the truth, doc isn't a Nazi. First he could not pass the muster,
## second they only liked blonde, mean looking muthas with blue eyes. Little
## shrimps like the doc, here, the real Nazis would just have him washing
## pots and pans. 
##
## The Holocaust Happened, Get Used to It !!!
 
# Then why is there no physical evidence of it having happened?  

As noted here, many times, the physical evidence includes:

 - Many documents and photographs.

 - Huge numbers of corpses and human remains in some of the camps.

 - Some of the gas chambers, with cyanide traces on their walls.

 - Some of the mass graves, discovered after the war.

Thus, there is far greater physical evidence for the Holocaust
than for:

 - The bombing of Dresden.

 - The death of German civilians after the war.

 - Stalin's atrocities.

It's very simple. It should be clear to any rational person. But
"Holocaust revisionists" are not rational people. Especially
Matt Giwer, now posting under the "10@11.12 (Doc Benway)" alias.

For a nice demonstration of Giwer's stupidity and insanity,
see below.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 24 08:24:49 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re:  Heinrich Lohse Was Dead and Living in Germany?
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"rblackmore" using yet another alias - tutu101@aol.com
(Tutu101) - writes:

# This was already answered.  Lohse did die in Germany.
# My comments referred to Kube.

No. Here's your article, you pathetic liar.

 From: tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101)
 Message-ID: <19961213125500.HAA10956@ladder01.news.aol.com>

 Concerning Lohse:  Where did this document originate, if
 I may ask?  (Not from  Lohse, as some smart alecks here might
 reply).  But how, when, where, and by whom was it discovered
 and submitted as evidence.  Lohse, by the way, was murdered by
 an assassin in 1943 in Russia.



Yep... you adopted a different alias, but you still
post these stupid lies. I guess that's all you can do.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 24 08:24:50 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row'
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Willi Mentz testifies about his days in Treblinka
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 245-247]
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When I came to Treblinka the camp commandant was a doctor named Dr. Eberl.
He was very ambitious. It was said that he ordered more transports
than could be "processed" in the camp. That meant that trains had to
wait outside the camp because the occupants of the previous transport
had not yet all been killed. At the time it was very hot and as a
result of the long wait inside the transport trains in the intense
heat many people died. At the time whole mountains of bodies lay on
the platform. The Hauptsturmfuehrer Christian Wirth came to Treblinka
and kicked up a terrific row. And then one day Dr.  Eberl was no
longer there...

For about two months I worked in the upper section of the camp and
then after Eberl had gone everything in the camp was reorganized. The
two parts of the camp were separated by barbed wire fences. Pine
branches were used so that you could not see through the fences. The
same thing was done along the route from the "transfer" area to the
gas chambers...

Finally, new and larger gas chambers were built. I think that there
were now five or six larger gas chambers. I cannot say exactly how
many people these large gas chambers held. If the small gas chambers
could hold 80-100 people, the large ones could probably hold twice
that number...

Following the arrival of a transport, six to eight cars would be
shunted into the camp, coming to a halt at the platform there. The
commandant, his deputy Franz, Kuettner and Stadie or Maetzig would be
here waiting as the transport came in. Further SS members were also
present to supervise the unloading: for example, Genz and Belitz had
to make absolutely sure that there was no one left in the car after
the occupants had been ordered to get out.

When the Jews had got off, Stadie or Maetzig would have a short word
with them.  They were told something to the effect that they were a
resettlement transport, that they would be given a bath and that they
would receive new clothes. They were also instructed to maintain quiet
and discipline. They would continue their journey the following day.

Then the transports were taken off to the so-called "transfer" area.
The women had to undress in huts and the men out in the open. The
women were than led through a passageway, known as the "tube", to the
gas chambers. On the way they had to pass a hut where they had to hand
in their jewellery and valuables..


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:41 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never believe me but it is the truth
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10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:

# OK, I don't.  So what is your point?  That the
# Hungarian communists were different from all the rest
# and not jewish?

I don't know what you're trying to say. There were Hungarian
Jews in the Communist Party after the war, yes. So?

What does that have to do with the Nazi mass murder of
Hungary's Jews during the war? Was it justified as a 
preemptive strike? What?

# Are you trying to say the Hungarian and Polish jews were
# really like you folks want to portray them?

How am I trying to portray them? They were people. Like
any other people. And they were murdered, for no rational
reason at all. Was it the first, or the last, time in
which innocent people were murdered for no rational
reason at all? Unfortunately, no. And the standard
question: was this mass murder unique among all mass
murders? In some aspects, yes; but I don't think this
is a very important question.

# Read Ayn Rand some day.  Specifically Atlas Shrugged.
# It can't hurt you and might do you some good.

Thanks for the offer. However I read two of her books
(including Atlas Shrugged) when I was 17. I sort of
liked it then, but these are IMHO rather childish
and one-dimensional books.

You want good books to pass the time, some of my
favorites authors are Gunther Grass, Zigfrid Lentz,
Heinrich Boll, Gogol and Dostoevsky, Sarter and
Camus. And, as you say, It can't hurt you and might
do you some good.

BTW, I am not just needling you with the "get a job"
line. I really believe that it is not a healthy
situation for you to sit at home all day and do
nothing, at a relatively young age. It can drive
a guy up the wall.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:42 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Fuhrer's Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# As I said many times over, I am not anti-Semitic.

Perhaps Mr. McFee will post, yet again, the revolting
antisemitic "poem" that "rblackmore" sent to a Nazi
mailing list? Oh, yes, "rblackmore" said it was "just
a joke", right? The "poem" which ended like this:

 "Izzy gets a sentimental feeling every year
  Everyone can hear him holler
  'Deck my tree with silver dollars'

  Rockin around the Hannukah bush
  Izzy's tribe is here to stay
  Ripping dumb old Goyim off
  In that good old Jewish way"

You posted this "poem" to a Nazi mailing list,
of which you're a member, right? You don't deny
this. You just say it was a "joke", right?

For God's sake, you miserable little Nazi swine...
who do you think you're fooling? I find your
cowardice almost as revolting as your opinions.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## In
##
## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/
## Bormann.jpg
##
## There's the photo of another of the SS-women from Auschwitz,
## Juana Bormann.

# Maybe we need a new newsgroup for our little Nazi-wannabes:
# alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.female.nazi.ss....

I think there's a group photo of some of the SS-women in
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

It's called SS-Women.jpg or something like that. I scanned
it from "The Belsen Trial".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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Punished? That's a joke. They were AWARDED DECORATIONS
for the murders in which they participated:

Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of
concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14
November 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 99]
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The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending
the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be
specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general,
routine reason should be given.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:44 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe Runs Into Technical Difficulties
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Letter from SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe to Reich security office,
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
Off., 1946, Vol. I, p. 1001]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A transport of Jews, which has to be treated in a special way, arrives
weekly at the office of the commandant of the Security Police and the
Security Service of white Ruthenia. The three S-vans which are there
are not sufficient for that purpose. I request assignment of another
S-van (five tons). At the same time I request the shipment of twenty
gas hoses for the three S-vans on hand since the ones on hand are leaky
already.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:45 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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10@11.12 (John Bigboote) writes:

[To me]

# 10% per month - PER MONTH.  I thought you would never get
# around to posting that again.  
#
# And lets see, you have also posted that the total camp population
# was around 3 million.

No, Matt. It's a pity that you simply cannot understand
plain English. The population of the death camps was never
close to 3 million, because the victims were murdered upon
arrival.

# So at 120% per year that is 3.6 million camp deaths per year.  

But there were not 3 million people in the camps.

# And the camps were in operation from 1939 to 1945 or six years
# giving us a grand total of 21.6 million deaths in the camps
# for conditions only.

But there were not 3 million people in the camps.

# But excuse me, dok keren, just what was the total camp population?

In Auschwitz, there were a few tens-of-thousands. In Treblinka,
Belzec and Sobibor, never more than a few hundreds.

# Danny boy, thy name is innumerate.

Matt, you cannot read, you cannot think, you cannot handle
third-grade arithmetic. It's no wonder you're unemployed.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:46 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
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octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes:

# According to the current version of the story, only 3
# million of the 12 million bodies were burned

No. Many of the corpses of the "Einsatzgruppen" massacres
were also burned. And there were crematoriums not only
in the major death camps but in other camps as well.

# Your SINGLE post about Treblinka does not constitute any
# "huge" amont making your huge in the same category of
# deception as "most" in item 1).

Is the amount proportional to the number of times I post?

[Responding to the question where the corpses of Stalin's
persecutions are]

# In several previous articles I have pointed out exactly
# where to find those millions of bodies.

No, pathetic liar. You never gave any location, any name,
nothing. Same for the corpses of the Dresden victims. You
cannot show us one single corpse of someone who died in
the alleged aerial attack on Dresden. This, although your
"revisionist" pals say up to 500,000 people died there.

# This is the typical communist/jew type lie that we have
# come to expect from you folks.

To prove that, just tell us where to find the corpse of one
person who died in Dresden's bombing or Stalin's persecutions.
Please specify a name and a location.

You can't do that, Matt, and it's driving you crazy. It's driving
you crazy because you realize that, using your "revisionist
methods", one can "prove" that no one died in Dresden nor
in the former USSR under Stalin's regime.

This "revisionism" is becoming a bigger joke every day. First,
they "proved" there was no Holocaust. Now, they also "proved"
Dresden was not bombed and that Stalin never killed anyone.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:47 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: LEADING REVISIONIST SCHOLAR (TM) (Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III)
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10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:

After quoting Mr. Edeiken's post, Matt adds:

[this one is number 145,871 on my system]

# Wadda fuckin kike ethnic!!! 

In the previous post (145,870), it was

# Da widdle ethnic whines again.
#
# whadda fuckin' kike!!!!

And in the one before that (145,869), it was 

# Da po widdle intimidated etnic posts again.  What a lying
# kike, jew shyster.

Matt posts dozens of messages like these, every day. He copies
someone's article, adds a line or two like the ones above, and posts.

This is indeed "Holocaust revisionism" at its best. Matt is
truly a "leading revisionist scholar".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:48 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: STRANGE E-MAIL FROM DANNNY KEREN
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# Not at all, remember that Britain GAVE it to them. 

No, it was taken from Britain. 

# It was not LOST, it was GIVEN.

You lost it, old chap. I realize you find it hard to face
this fact. The great empire (TM) is gone. Why can't you
accept it? You had your butt kicked, not only in Palestine
but all over the place. Were it not for the good old US of 
A, you would be singing the "Horst Wessel" every morning. 
You're the one who should be grateful.

# By the way, was there some sort of implied blackmail in
# your e-mailing this to me and asking your question?

I also posted it; I thought it would be appropriate to mail
you a courtesy copy. "Blackmail"? I think you're losing it,
Fergus; you're going down the tubes. Getting hysterical won't
help your case.

Now, you have dodged the question. An article was posted from
your account. You don't seem to deny you posted it, right? The
author of that article stated that he was busy with an "unlawful, 
gainful, employment which CANNOT be discussed here".

I understand that you refuse to comment on this? Why? This
is particularly ironic, since you suggested that Jews are,
in general, dishonest.

Was it a joke? A rather odd joke?

BTW, it was posted on this group that another active British
"revisionist", Alexander Baron, is currently in jail for
intimidating a witness in a criminal case against him. Two
other "revisionists" who have posted here - one American and
one Canadian - have criminal records and have spent time in
jail (one for a violent assault, one for trying to overthrow
a foreign government).

A "fine" lot you "revisionists" are, Fergus old chap. I guess you
must be proud?

BTW, I'm mailing you a courtesy copy of this article too; if
you want me to stop mailing these copies, please let me know, 
either by e-mail or on the newsgroup.

Cheers,


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:48 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Fuhrer's Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# You are a sick little man, Dan.

Bellinger, or Boger, or whatever your name is,
please tell the audience why you sent the
following "poem" to a Nazi mailing list.

Are you still claiming it was a "joke"?



  "Izzy gets a sentimental feeling every year
   Everyone can hear him holler
   'Deck my tree with silver dollars'

   Rockin around the Hannukah bush
   Izzy's tribe is here to stay
   Ripping dumb old Goyim off
   In that good old Jewish way"



You want to tell us more about your "many Jewish
friends", Boger? Don't you think that was really
quite lame and quite old?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:49 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'There was no longer any escape'
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:27:59 GMT
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Testimony of Hans-Heintz Schutt, SS-officer at Sobibor
[Quoted in "'The Good Old Days'" - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 240]
-------------------------------------------------------------
Getting the detainees into the gas chambers did not always proceed
smoothly. The detainees would shout and weep and they often refused to 
get inside. The guards helped them on by violence. These guards were
Ukrainian volunteers who were under the authority of members of
the SS Kommando. Members of the SS held key positions in the camp, i.e.
one SS man oversaw the unloading, a further SS man led the detainees
into the reception camp, a further SS man was responsible for leading
the detainees to the undressing area, a further SS man oversaw the
confiscation of valuables and a further member of the Kommando had
to drive the detainees into the so-called tube which led to the
extermination camp. Once they were inside the so-called tube, which
led them from the hut to the extermination camp, there was no longer
any escape.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:50 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Well, this will be easy.  Miss Grese clearly testified
# that she had never seen any "gas chambers" and was told
# of their existence by rumors spread by the prisoners
# themselves.

"The Belsen Trial" p. 257:

Colonel Backhouse: "then they would all have to attend
the selection for the gas chamber, would they not?"

Irma Grese: "yes".

This is just one example.

Now, try to think for a minute. Suppose Grese would
hear from the prisoners that these selections were
for the gas chambers. First thing she would obviously
do is ask her commanding officers, right? And suppose
they would have told her that this is not true, wouldn't
she say that in court?

So what are you going to claim now? That she did ask
them, and they decided to pull a silly joke on poor
little Irma, and told her that these are selections to
the gas chambers, although they were not?

How can you be so stupid?

# Good-by, Gracie.--rb

Goodbye, blondie... (woof-woof!). Why don't you compose
another revolting antisemitic "poem", send it to a Nazi
mailing list, and then tell us it's "only a joke"... you
sorry little Nazi clown.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:51 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'A gassing experiment was carried out'
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:30:46 GMT
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Testimony of SS Scharfuhrer Erich Fuchs, in the Sobibor-Bolender trial, 
Dusseldorf 
[Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard 
Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 31-32]. 
--------------------------------------------------------------
 ....We unloaded the motor. It was a heavy Russian benzine engine, at 
least 200 horsepower. we installed the engine on a concrete foundation 
and set up the connection between the exhaust and the tube.

I then tested the motor. It did not work. I was able to repair the
ignition and the valves, and the motor finally started running. The
chemist, who I knew from Belzec, entered the gas chamber with
measuring instruments to test the concentration of the gas.

Following this, a gassing experiment was carried out.  If my memory
serves me right, about thirty to forty women were gassed in one gas
chamber. The Jewish women were forced to undress in an open place
close to the gas chamber, and were driven into the gas chamber by the
above mentioned SS members and the Ukrainian auxiliaries. when the
women were shut up in the gas chamber I and Bolender set the motor in
motion. The motor functioned first in neutral.  Both of us stood by
the motor and switched from "Neutral" (Freiauspuff) to "Cell" (Zelle),
so that the gas was conveyed to the chamber. At the suggestion of the
chemist, I fixed the motor on a definite speed so that it was
unnecessary henceforth to press on the gas. About ten minutes later
the thirty to forty women were dead.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:52 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Grabner Ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening'
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 From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz:
[Quoted in "'The Good Old Days'" - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 255].
--------------------------------------------------------------
At another, later gassing -- also in autumn 1941 -- Grabner* ordered
me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly
had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both
openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was
also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children.
As the Zyklon B -- as already mentioned -- was in granular form, it
trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then
started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to
them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed
as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there
was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to
fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay
higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.

   * Maximillian Grabner, Head of Political Department, Auschwitz


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:52 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never believe me but it is the truth
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10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:

# A good friend of mine is jewish.  He is also a hungarian
# jew who became a US citizen.

Tell us his name. I don't believe you. This "friend" of yours
does not exist.

# He at no time suggested that any jews were sent from Hungary
# to be gassed, in fact he laughed at the idea.  He stated that
# any nazi who tried it would lose ten nazis for any jew taken.

Pretty odd statement. The kind people who don't exist make.

# I have another friend claiming descent from a Polish Jew and to be
# a relative of Lanski. 

No you don't.

# He tells the same story of the ten for one exchange if the Nazis
# tried it.

No he doesn't.

Matt, why the hell don't you get a bleeding job already? Maybe
these five years of unemployment are boring to the extent that
you're developing these hallucinations about your imaginary friends?

You don't have any friends, Matt. Even your family can't stand
you. The only people you can feel some affection for are other
vulgar, hateful idiots such as yourself. 

And you know what? I think I know one of the reasons you're
like that. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:53 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Kube Reports His Work: 10 Weeks, 55,000 Murdered
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:11:26 GMT
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Report from Kube, General Commissioner of White Ruthenia,
to Gauleiter Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Ostland,
31 July 1942
[Quoted from "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg
 Military Tribunals", Vol. IV, pages 191-193]
 ---------------------------------------------------------

During detailed consultations with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner 
and the extremely capable Chief of the SD, 
SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we found that we had 
liquidated approximately 55,000 Jews in White Ruthenia during 
the past 10 weeks. In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely 
exterminated without endangering the allocation of labor in any way. 
In the prevailing Polish Lida area, 16,000 Jews, in Slonim 8,000
Jews, etc., were liquidated. 

[...]

In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on 28 and
29 July, 6,500 of whom were Russian Jews - mainly old people, women,
and children - the remainder consisted of Jews unfit for work, most 
of whom had been sent to Minsk from Vienna, Brno, Bremen, and Berlin
in November of the previous year at the Fuehrer's orders.





From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:54 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Grabner Ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening'
Message-ID: 
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10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:

[Stark's testimony about a gassing in Auschwitz deleted]

# I see little Danny got his Tickle Me Grabner doll and
# is enjoying it.

Get a job, Matt, and you could afford one too.

# And of course we all notice that this is another
# unique variation that agrees with no other report, that
# medical orderlies were required to do the pouring.

This is a flat-out lie; the medical orderlies are mentioned
in other sources.

# It will be amazing if some day this spammer in chief

"spammer in chief"? This, from someone who posts, every
day, dozens of article in which he quotes the original
and adds "lying kike piece of shit", etc? And *I* am
a "spammer"?

# can find two witnesses who report the same thing.

They all report the same thing, in general. Of course,
people are not machines, and they will not all report
the same durations of time, the same numbers, etc.

Maybe you will explain one day why there is not one
person who was in the extermination centers who doesn't
say the opposite of what you "revisionist scholars"
(who were never there) say?

It's not that 75 percent support your version. Or 50
percent. Or 25. Or 10. Or 1 percent.

It's ZERO. 0. Nada. Efes. Limit of (1/x) when x goes to
infinity. The derivative of a constant function. Get it?

Can you explain that? Why is there not *one* witness - Jew,
German, Soviet, Czech, Gypsy - whose testimony does not
completely contradict the "revisionist version"?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:55 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Wetzel Write Lohse About the 'Gassing Apparatuses'
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Letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar Lohse, October 25, 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 70]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
With regard to my letter of 18 October 1941, please be informed that
Oberdiensleiter [Chief Executive Officer] Brack from the Fuehrer's
Chancellory has stated his readiness to assist in the construction of
the necessary accommodations and gassing apparatuses, so they must
first be constructed. Brack's view is that, since construction of the
apparatuses within the Reich would present far greater difficulties
than on-site production, the most expedient course of action is to
send his people directly to Riga, in particular his chemist Dr.
Kallmeyer, who will take the necessary steps from there.
Oberdiensleiter Brack further points out that the procedure in
question is not without its hazards, and that therefore special safety
precautions are needed. Under these circumstances, I ask you to
contact Oberdiensleiter Brack in the Fuehrer's Chancellory through
your higher SS and Police leader. Please request from him the
dispatching of the chemist Dr. Kallmeyer and any further assistants
that are needed. I might further point out that Sturmbannfuehrer
Eichmann, the adviser on Jewish affairs in the Reich main security
office, is in complete accord with this procedure. According to the
information received here from Sturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, camps for
Jews will be set up in Riga and Minsk, where Jews from the Altreich
[Germany proper] might also be sent. Jews are currently being
evacuated from the Altreich to Lodz and other camps, from which those
fit for work will be transferred to work forces in the east. Given the
present situation, Jews who are not fit for work can be eliminated
without qualms through use of the Brack device. Incidents such as
those that took place during the shootings of Jews in Vilna, according
to a report I have on my desk, can hardly be sanctioned, keeping in
mind that the executions were undertaken openly, and the new
procedures assure that such incidents will no longer be possible. Jews
fit for work, on the other hand, will be transported to work forces in
the east. That the men and women in this latter group must be kept
apart from each other goes without saying. Please keep me informed as
to any further measures you take.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:55 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:

# Fine.  You did not post it.  HOW MANY WERE IN ALL
# of the TEN THOUSAND CAMPS?

I don't know. You have a lot of free time. Do your
own research for a change.

I did find an excerpt I copied from the letter Pohl
sent Himmler, about the death rate in some of the camps:

Death rate in the "work camps", long before the end of
the war (source: letter from Pohl to Himmler, "Trials Of
War Criminals" (green) series, Vol. V, p. 379.

In July 1942, the death rate was 8.5 percent.
In August 1942, the death rate was 10.6 percent.
In September 1942, the death rate was 10.2 percent.

This is long before the alleged "breakdown in
transportation towards the end of the war, bla-bla"
which Nazi-apologists blame for the mass death of
the inmates at Belsen and other camps.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:56 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: From Every Hill and Dale they Come...(was Re: Another lying jew
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

# Mr. Giwer has finally appropriated a fitting title for
# himself. I urge him to keep reminding everyone that he
# is an "Unterdreckenfuehrer." It's a perfect description.

Unfortunately, Sara, he stole it from me. I've been
referring to the "revisionist scholars" as "dreck"
and "unterschardummkopf" for some time now. Matt
just combined these two expressions.

But I'm not upset; it's a compliment when a "leading
revisionist scholar" (with an IQ of 163 do not forget!)
agrees with me.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:57 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 17:45:11 GMT
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Perhaps the most ridiculous aspect of all of this is
# how the Germans did not at that point in time simply kill
# all Jews all at once.

But, kurtzi, do you think the people in the following
photographs are alive?

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
belsen01.jpg, belsen02.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
nordhausen-01.jpg, nordhausen02.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
Thekla1.jpg, Thekla2.jpg, Thekla3.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
ohrdruf-01.jpg, ohrdruf-02.jpg

Take a look. We know that you like to look at these
photographs, so do take a look. After that, please tell us
if the people in these photographs are alive.

How about it, kurtzi?


-Danny Keren.

In Message-Id: <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, the
revolting, cowardly Nazi hiding under the "kurt stele"
alias, clearly and explicitly says that he wishes the
Holocaust did indeed take place:

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:57 PST 1996
Article: 88512 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# No, Dan.  her testimony says that she participated in
# selections, but she had no personal knowledge that such
# people were being gassed.

If you're going to lie, don't post lies which are very
easy to refute. I told you already: I have the book, and
I can check what you post.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 14:30:58 PST 1996
Article: 88542 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# I already clarified this in a previous post.  I did not
# have the article in front of me when I posted.

Oh, poor baby. Every time one of "rblackmore's"
lies is exposed, he has some lame excuse.

"I did not have the article in front of me when
I posted"...

What a pathetic little liar this "rblackmore" is.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 20:35:26 PST 1996
Article: 88561 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 20:35:27 PST 1996
Article: 88581 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
Message-ID: 
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
##
## belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal
##               corpses in Belsen.
##
## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
##
## buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
## Emaciated corpses of the inmates.
##
## buchenwald04.jpg:
## German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
## have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
## well-dressed and well-fed they are.

# The German civilians had nothing to do with the running of
# the camp. Why do you criticize them if they are nicly dressed?

Try not to be so stupid. I am not criticizing them. I am pointing
out that there was enough food for everybody, yet the inmates
starved to death.

# Note that many SS members also died from the epiidemics.

How many?

# That is why the staff was frightened of the inmates.

You heard it here first, boys and girls. The SS was
"frightened of the inmates".

What next will these Nazi maniacs come up with? Perhaps they will
claim that the Nazis built "secret UFO's" and flew them into
the inner earth via "a hole in the South-Pole"? Ooops, they
already said that...


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 21:12:16 PST 1996
Article: 88629 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never believe me but it is the truth
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

Matt, why do you have to use these infantile aliases?

# It never got that far.  One missing Jew meant ten
# dead Nazis the next morning.

Really? Any chance you'll provide any evidence for
this claim?

# Simple as that.

So where is the evidence?

Matt, you're inventing this crap as you go along,
right? Can you stop behaving like a child?

Thanks for the philosophical/literary musings, BTW. But
Ayn Rand is still a rather mediocre writer, Dostoevsky
is still king, and I still believe people should do
something with their lives.

# I know that even my opinion of myself is meaningless.

It's very, very bad when someone thinks like that. It
means he has no longer any hope.

# And why is it you can only view being productive in
# terms of other people paying you?

Are you a mind reader? You're a rather poor one, in
that case.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 21:12:17 PST 1996
Article: 88633 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

# Neither she nor anyone else was allowed to select people
# for the gas chambers.

Grese assisted in the selections. She admitted that she
used to chase around those who tried to escape after being
selected to the gas chambers, beat them up, and bring
them back to the roll call.

She admitted that she used a stick and a whip to beat people,
and that she ordered those working under her to beat prisoners.

BTW, she speaks of something rather interesting in the beginning
of her testimony. An SS-women (Buchalter) was punished by the
SS. Hoess, the commandant, ordered the 20-year-old Grese to
participate in the beating of Buchalter.

You see? That's how your heroes made these young men and
women into animals.

Did she deserve to die for these crimes, and the other crimes
she committed? She deserved what every murderer deserves. Would
she have become a sadistic beast, had she not been "educated"
by your big heroes, such as Rudolph Hoess? Maybe not.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 21:12:18 PST 1996
Article: 88661 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: STRANGE E-MAIL FROM DANNY KEREN
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# Why WAS Keren snooping through old postings?

Well, since you really want to know, and since you have
been relatively honest in your posting, I'll answer you. I saw
this article from which I quoted a few weeks ago. I didn't
post it then. But when you went and posted your antisemitic
drivel about Jews being dishonest, it seemed right and
fair to quote your article. You get what you give. You
behaved like shit, Fergus, so don't expect people to be
kind to you.

# But, like Pandora, he wants the box opened, even if it were
# to mean substantial physical harm to himself.

Your threat is noted. Everybody take note. Another
"revisionist" making violent threats. It's becoming a
habit among these bastards.

# I believe that you only posted it after you saw my public
# reply. No point in your denying it, I won't believe you.

Look at the time of the e-mail and the article. I posted it and
mailed it at the same time. Easy to do with "rn"; you post, and
you add the names to mail the post to in the "cc" line. This is
probably evident from looking at the e-mail itself. Follow this
group, and you'll see other articles ending with "posted and
e-mailed".

Look on your server. Which appears first? My article which was
also mailed to you, or your reply?

# Any protestations from you will be unacceptable. You have played
# your hand and now must take the consequences of it. If you ask me if
# this is a threat I shall not answer. Time will tell you what I mean.
# Suffice it to say that you have made a serious and implacable enemy
# of me. If you were older, and wiser, you would realise that it is
# never a good thing to have any real enemies.

Another threat. Fine, Fergus. I will see how to proceed with this.
You realize, of course, that you shouldn't have made such threats.
It was a stupid move.

# I formally announce my intense hatred for Daniel Keren,

Big deal. You intensely hated me before, as is evident from
your previous articles. You must know what I mean. Take your
"intense hatred" and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

# The most severely ill of the two is a Gypsy - and a Gypsy
# saint at that.

Is she aware of your "revisionist" theories? You do deny
that there were homicidal gas chambers in Birkenau,
Treblinka, and Chelmno, right? You do deny that thousands
of Gypsies were gassed to death in these camps, don't you?

Yes or no?

Forget, for the moment, what happened between us. We hate each
other, well, that's life and it's probably not going to change.
But why do "revisionists" spit on the graves of these people?
Why do they make a joke out of their suffering and their death?

# and I never use that word in the light way that it is thrown
# around in alt.revisionism. As far as I am concerned, he has
# kicked these wonderful ladies in the face by using them.

I don't even know who these women are, and your response
(to one of them), which mentioned the "unlawful, gainful,
employment which CANNOT be discussed here", had NOTHING to
do with any medical or other problems they have whatsoever.

What can be "unlawful, gainful, employment" about helping
sick people?? Do tell us. If you're not lying through
your teeth, that is.

Anyway, if, by any chance, I have offended these two women,
I apologize, but only to them; not to you. You don't deserve
any apology or any kindness whatsoever. 

Posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 25 21:12:19 PST 1996
Article: 88662 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Message-ID: 
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 00:08:44 GMT
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  "I usually used to beat them on the shoulders, but
  there were times when, because of the numbers involved,
  they were beaten on any part of the body that happened
  to be easiest".

Irma Grese, on how she used to beat Auschwitz inmates
with a stick.

It's no wonder that "rblackmore" is so much in
love with this "beautiful woman"...


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 26 09:02:22 PST 1996
Article: 88758 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Message-ID: 
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

# This 22 year old petite woman chases after and beats people.

"Petite"? She was big enough to chase and beat the living
skeletons she was in charge of. "22 year old"? That's the age
of physical prime, isn't it? BTW, she testified that she
beat them with a stick.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 26 09:02:23 PST 1996
Article: 88789 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row'
Message-ID: 
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tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

My dear "tutu101", or "rblackmore", or whatever
the hell you call yourself: can you learn to
attribute posted text?

You have quoted my article without any ">" etc
before it, and immediately after that, you
posted something. There is no way to tell where
my text ends and where your begins.

This has been pointed out to you a few times
already. Why is it so difficult for you to
understand it, and correctly attribute text?

Posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 02:14:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from THEKLA Camp
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:57:19 GMT
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images

Thekla1.jpg, Thekla2.jpg, Thekla3.jpg:

The Thekla atrocity: inmates burned alive by the Nazis.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:32 PST 1996
Article: 88865 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
Message-ID: 
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10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## No, Matt. It's a pity that you simply cannot understand
## plain English. The population of the death camps was never
## close to 3 million, because the victims were murdered upon
## arrival.

# Then do not post such statements.

But I did NOT post such statements. I NEVER claimed that
there were 3 million people in the camps.

As a matter of fact, the death rate of 10 percent per
month (in the winter of 1942) refers not to the death
camps, but to some of the concentration camps. In the
death camps such as Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec,
people were murdered immediately upon arrival, save
for some who were selected to join the "sonderkommando".

BTW, your fellow "revisionists" don't deny that the report
about this death rate is genuine. On the contrary, they
like to (selectively) quote this report, because the SS
Economic Division was concerned that so many prisoners
in the forced labor camps were dying; after all, a dead
slave cannot do any work.

# So how many people were in the camps?

I don't remember the figure right now; however, as I recall,
I have some stuff on this which I xeroxed from the "Green
Series" of the trials. I'll look for it in the office tomorrow.

# Pick a number out of your ass.

Matt, you surely demonstrate the benefits of a fine education,
an illustrious career, and a (too) early retirement.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:33 PST 1996
Article: 89001 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from NORDHAUSEN Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images

nordhausen-01.jpg, nordhausen02.jpg:

Murdered inmates.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:34 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The human skin nonsense
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The artifacts made from human skin were discovered in 
Buchenwald. A pathology report confirming this is
often posted here. They are also mentioned in an
official SS communication; see

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
buchenwald-doc04.gif

And

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
buchenwald02.jpg

It is apparent that even some of the SS thought that these
kinds of things are going too far, because a letter to
the Buchenwald Pathology Department asks that the manufacturing
of shrunken heads etc. will stop.

See 

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
buchenwald-doc01.gif

And

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
shrunken.jpg


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:34 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

# I already did the research.  I used the three million number
# that was posted in this conference.  

The three million figure referred to the number of people who
were murdered in the major death camps. Not to the number of
inmates living in these camps. If you could read, you would 
understand that.

# Keep up the good work.

And you, Matt, keep doing what you do best: being an unemployed,
stupid drunkard, who causes more damage to the (low enough
already) image of "Holocaust revisionists" than anyone else.

ZOG should send you a medal.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:35 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never believe me but it is the truth
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Moi wrote:

# Thanks for the philosophical/literary musings, BTW. But
# Ayn Rand is still a rather mediocre writer, Dostoevsky
# is still king,

I shouldn't have written this, I guess... some of the
naziboys may know that Dostoevsky was a Russian, and
now they'll claim that I admire a COMMIE!! HA!!!

 :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:36 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: STRANGE E-MAIL FROM DANNY KEREN
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# To follow your concept, could it not be said that during
# the Second World War that Britain was attempting to get 
# "Jewish butts out of deep shit" long before America decided
# to join the gang?

The Brits sure had a strange way of helping the Jews.

Like "relocating" the 700 helpless refugees on the "Struma"
at the floor of the ocean.

Like (as recent widely published information proves) not
releasing their very early knowledge about mass murder
of Jews in the Nazi-occupied USSR.

No matter how you look at it - either from the military
viewpoint, or the moral viewpoint - the Second World War
is a horrible and sad chapter in British history.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:37 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Tom Moran Lies, Yet Again (Re: False witness/ethnic 
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at 
# the trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen
# and Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000
# Jews, representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been
# gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp. 

This is just incredible. After Giwer had this lie shoved
down his throat, Tom Moran comes back with it, as if
nothing had happened. This is simply amazing.

Now listen, Moran, you little lying clown:

1) The Jewish physician who testified about the 80,000 Jews 
   of the Lodz Ghetto was Dr. Bendel. He testified at the
   Belsen Trial, true, but there were many SS-men and women
   from Auschwitz who later went to Belsen, and they were
   tried for what they did in Auschwitz.

   And Bendel testified that the mass gassing took place in
   Auschwitz, not Belsen. 

   It is clear why you're lying. Since no such mass gassing
   took place in Belsen, you're trying to create the impression
   that Dr. Bendel said it did, in order to make him appear
   unreliable.

   Can you justify your deplorable lie about Dr. Bendel?

2) He did not say that the 80,000 people were gassed or burned
   in one night, but over a longer period of time.

Let's see your excuse for posting these lies.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:37 PST 1996
Article: 89093 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Letter About The Holocaust by Ken Blewitt
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Doc Tavish  writes:

# Letter About The Holocaust
#
# by Ken Blewitt

Among all the tired, old, silly lies in this "letter", one 
particularly stands out:

#     (b) Several ranking officers who ran these camps on
# German soil "confessed" that they had killed Jews in gas
# chambers.  Here we have "confessions" that are known to be
# false.  What does this suggest?

It suggests, of course, that Ken Blewitt, like all other
"revisionists", is lying through his teeth. We do not "know"
that these confessions are false. There were homicidal gas
chambers in Germany proper, and people were murdered in them.

See, for instance, "Nazi Mass Murder", Yale University Press,
1993. Homicidal gas chambers in Germany proper operated in
seven concentration camps, including Neuengamme and
Ravensbrueck. Now, it is true that far less people were
murdered in these gas chambers than in the gas chambers
in the mass death camps that the SS built in Nazi-occupied
Poland; for that reason, historians often refer to camps
such as Neuengamme and Ravensbrueck as "concentration
camps", and not as "extermination camps". 

However, the "revisionist" statement that "if it's called a
concentration camp, this means there were no gas chambers
in it" - is false.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:38 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Turnabout is fair play?
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dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) writes:

# This is a pretty sleazy tactic, Sara.

But did you ever make such comments when Giwer posted - 
hundreds of times - a phone number and address which he
believed were Ken McVay's?

Will you, just this time, answer to a direct question, 
or will you vanish again, being the hypocritical coward
that you have always been?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:39 PST 1996
Article: 89107 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

# I am too occupied laughing at the idea of beating someone
# to death with a cellophane whip.

She testified to beating them also with a stick, oh senile one.

  "I usually used to beat them on the shoulders, but
  there were times when, because of the numbers involved,
  they were beaten on any part of the body that happened
  to be easiest".

Irma Grese, on how she used to beat inmates with a stick (excerpt
quoted from "The Belsen Trial").

Learn to read, senile one. It may eventually get you somewhere
in life, although it's probably too late. 

God help you if your Nazi pals ever get to power, Matt. You will be 
among the first ones they will send to the euthanasia institutions.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:39 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: STRANGE E-MAIL FROM DANNY KEREN
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) whines:

[To Charles Power]

# Why the abuse?

Hello? Fergus? This is what you wrote to me, in yet another
"revisionist" attempt to shut me up:

 From:         redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland)
 Message-Id:   <32c939ee.8607931@news.demon.co.uk>

# But, like Pandora, he wants the box opened, even if it were to 
# mean substantial physical harm to himself.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And you're talking about abuse? 

What a typical "revisionist" hypocrite!


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:40 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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As I have to point out again, the SS-men were DECORATED
for taking part in the mass murder.

Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of
concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14
November 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of
California Press, 1984, p. 99]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending
the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be
specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general,
routine reason should be given.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:41 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Auschwitz goes next
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

# At the moment it is only the desparte holohuggers who are so
# tenaciously holding on to Treblinka as a steaming camp when
# in fact the aerial photos indicate such a claim is quite
# impossible.

Still waiting for you to post these "aerial photos". And explain
what they prove.

# But there is more.  There is no place near them to stage one to
# two or three or more thousand people per day.  They would be
# lined up around the block.  Everything would be open for everyone
# to see without quesiton. 

Matt, it *was* known in the camp that mass murder took place
in the Kremas. What is your point? 

# This is still December and both Treblinka have bitten the dust.  
 
"both Treblinka"?

You poor little senile, unemployed drunkard. You poor little
failure. Look at all these typos and missing words. Always
happens when the poor old drunkard guzzles down too much
of that cheap wine...


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:42 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes:

# The very idea of little Irma Grese beating people
# to death with her cellophane whip is a joke. 

But she also beat them with a stick.

Why don't you take good advice when offered? I told you: I
HAVE THE BOOK. I can check on you.

  "I usually used to beat them on the shoulders, but
  there were times when, because of the numbers involved,
  they were beaten on any part of the body that happened
  to be easiest".

Irma Grese, on how she used to beat Auschwitz inmates
with a stick; p. 713, "The Belsen Trial". Oh, I know,
this page fell out of your copy, or some Joooooooo stole
it, right?

Now, picture poor little Irma smacking one of those living
skeletons on the head with a stick. You're saying she
couldn't kill someone that way?

# Grese was innocent.

You mean, from your point of view? Of course. After all, she
"only" killed Jews, right?

Read her testimony about SS-woman Buchalter who was punished,
and how commandant Hoess forced her (Grese) to beat Buchalter.
That's how your heroes educated their young men and women.

After being forced to beat another SS-woman, do you think she
would have had any problems with beating Jews, who, she was
told since she was a child, were "sub-human vermin"?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:42 PST 1996
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

# That was Chaim Weisman.  You have us confused.

That's impossible, Matt. Weizman had a job.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:43 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: The Good Old Lies, pt. 1
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# The so-called Jaeger report may or may not be
# genuine, IMO.

Funny you mention it. I just scanned it, all nine
pages, from a copy that the "Institute For Contemporary
History" in Munich was kind enough to send. The report
will soon be posted to Nizkor's web site.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 12:24:36 PST 1996
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# Gee it is the first time I hear the allegetion that
# Germans were gassed too.

But of course. You're a "Holocaust revisionist". This means
you know nothing about the history of the Holocaust and
the events surrounding it.

Many mentally ill and retarded Germans were murdered in 
the so-called "euthanasia" operation (for instance in
Hadamar and Hartheim). Many of those who ran the "euthanasia"
centers later participated in running the death camps. The
most well-known of them, perhaps, are Wirth and Stangl.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 12:24:36 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Is it true you can't question history?
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christ@adnc.com (Chris Winkler) writes:

[The tired old "Leuchter report" about the gas chambers]

Not again!?

Let me just note that Leuchter is not an engineer - he was
actually taken to court in the US for falsely representing
himself as an engineer (he only has a BA in the humanities).
Moreover, Leuchter is not, at any rate, a "gas chamber
expert"; he lied in court about his work with various prisons,
saying he has consulted them when, in fact, they never heard
about him. Leuchter did build some lethal injection machines,
which turned out to be defective. To repeat - Leuchter is not
a scientist, not an engineer, and not a "gas chamber expert".

Now, some remarks about the "Leuchter report":

I.

Leuchter claimed that the SS-men pouring the Zyklon-B into
the gas chambers would die "because the gas would rise and
kill them". This is utterly ridiculous, because these men
used gas masks which protected them, just like the men who
used the Zyklon for its original purpose (that is, fumigation).
That a "gas chamber expert" couldn't figure this out is
simply incredible.

II.

Leuchter claims that there would have been dangers involved in
using cyanide gas in the gas chambers, yet, remarkably enough,
he immediately goes on to contradicts himself, by stating that
there are still cyanide traces on their walls.

III.

The "major" point of the "Leuchter report" is that there are less
cyanide traces in the gas chambers than in the delousing chambers.
This is true, but the reasons for that are obvious:

Humans die much faster from HCN poisoning than lice, bugs
etc. HCN kills humans fast, in a matter of minutes (that's
why it's still used to execute people in gas chambers in US
prisons); also, the concentration needed is quite low. However,
delousing takes many hours and requires a higher concentration.

This can be verified by consulting any relevant textbook.

Therefore, the gas chambers were exposed to the gas for a far
shorter time than the delousing chambers, which is why there
are less cyanide traces in them. Moreover, they were destroyed
and left in ruins, as opposed to the delousing chambers; and
the elements further reduced the traces.


These are some of the major errors and self-contradictions in
the "Leuchter report". There are more, but this article is intended
as a short expose for the non-specialist.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 12:24:37 PST 1996
Article: 93088 of soc.culture.german
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Yet More 'Revisionist' Rubbish... (Re: Holocaust Nonese
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cswiger@westco.net (Cliff Swiger) writes:

# Reality? I don't think so. Its a PERCEPTION. Reality tells
# us things like even state-of-the art crematoria take 90
# minutes to cremate a corpse

No, you're lying. look at the cremation society web page. It
can be done in less than an hour in some cremation furnaces.

Topf, the same firm that manufactured the Auschwitz-Birkenau
furnaces, submitted in 1951 a patent for a furnace in which
a corpse could be cremated in 30-45 minutes.

I took the trouble of obtaining this patent from the German
Patent Office, scanning and posting it, in order to educate
you lame-brained "revisionists". See the scans in

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/topf-und-soehne/images/

# at temperatures hundreds of degrees hotter than those available
# in circa 1940. 

"Hundreds of degrees hotter"? Says who? Where's your evidence
for this idiotic claim? 

# There were indeed ovens at the camps. They were used to
# cremate the dead.

See

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
furnace-capacity.jpg

Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

They were sure expecting a lot of dead, were they not?

# When you attempt to raze a nation to the ground, with
# saturation bombing, you cut off a lot of supply routes.

Plain rubbish. The death rate in the "work camps" was as high
as 10 percent a month in 1942, long before the end of the war:

Death rate in the "work camps", long before the end of the war
(source: letter from Pohl to Himmler, "Trials Of War Criminals"
(Green) series, Vol. V, p. 379.

In July 1942, the death rate was 8.5 percent.
In August 1942, the death rate was 10.6 percent.
In September 1942, the death rate was 10.2 percent.

It's back to the old drawing board for you, old chap. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 13:25:07 PST 1996
Article: 89267 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Doc Tavish unless otherwise noted
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# However, the fact that the character is a corrupt
# and arrogant nobleman in the operetta who takes on the
# titles and salaries of many more honourable top civil
# servants when they resign does rather remind me of
# Jewish behaviour.

Ah, grumpy old Fergus. Still mad at losing Palestine to
dem Jooooos are you?

BTW old chap, I found this on dejanews.



  From:         

  Linda Strong wrote:

[some snipped - d.k]

  it's soooo good to hear from both Gisela and Fergus.  So Fergus:
  What's *your* problem???  Where've you been??

 Dear Linda,

[some snipped - d.k]

 My problem? unlawful, gainful, employment which CANNOT be
 discussed here:-)

 A thousand blessing on you Linda,

 Love,

 Fergus



Did you post the above, Fergus? If so, would you mind telling
me what "unlawful, gainful, employment which CANNOT be discussed
here" means?

Cheers,


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 27 17:35:55 PST 1996
Article: 93117 of soc.culture.german
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
# Daniel Keren wrote:

## Many mentally ill and retarded Germans were murdered in
## the so-called "euthanasia" operation (for instance in
## Hadamar and Hartheim).

# But hardly 2 million as claimed by Oscar.

You're correct about that one. If he was talking only
about the "euthanasia" murders, the number of victims
did not reach 2 million, as far as I know.

I am not sure as to how many non-Jewish Germans died
in the concentration camps, after being arrested for
various reasons, mainly political.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 09:13:26 PST 1996
Article: 89344 of alt.revisionism
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premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor) writes:

[About his hero Adolf Hitler]

## You're right Adolf took the "coward's" way out- he was to
## afraid to face the Joooos.

# First off, it was cyanide, not a gun.

He shot himself in the head, Matt, while also biting on a
cyanide capsule.

Your ignorance does not cease to amaze me. It doesn't matter
what topic is being discussed. You always turn out to be
the ignorant fool.

# Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts
# and figures.

But you are not a revisionist. Look in the dictionary for the
meaning of the word, and you'll understand why.

On second thought, you probably won't understand why, but
never mind; the fact remains that you are not a revisionist.

You are, however, a "revisionist"; but it's not the same.


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 09:13:27 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Let her lie, why do you care?"
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mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

# Methinks Blackmore wants us all to forget that.
# Remember that Blackmore prefers all individual
# testimony be viewed in a vacuum. I can't think
# of one trial where this is the case.

"rblackmore" (Boger) has some serious problems with
logic. For instance, he claims that Kramer is a truthful
and reliable witness about Belsen. But Kramer also
testified about the mass murder in Auschwitz-Birkenau
and about the gassings in Natzweiler (of which he was
responsible).

So were does "rblackmore" go from here? Probably, he
will now claim that the REAl Kramer testified about
Belsen but it was a FAKE Kramer who testified about
Birkenau and Natzweiler!


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 09:13:28 PST 1996
Article: 89367 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Auschwitz goes next
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## Still waiting for you to post these "aerial photos".
## And explain what they prove.

# They have been posted. 

They have not been posted. 

# Stop playing games, child.

Get a job, drunkard leech.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 09:13:29 PST 1996
Article: 89373 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

# Keep your holocaustery straight.  "SELECTIONS" were
# done with the new arrivals,

Yes, but there were always selections of inmates who
became too ill or too weak to work.

Now, Matt, you'll say "nothing was ever posted about that". 
And it will, of course, be a lie. Because that is what a
senile, stupid drunkard like you can do: lie.

# But, gee, did you finally realize that the story requires
# selection ONLY of the new arrivals?

As noted above, there were frequent selections in the camp
itself. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 09:13:29 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Tom Moran Lies, Yet Again (Re: False witness/ethnic
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Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) writes:

# Rather some silly little shit named Keren ranted about it
# for a few days and then dropped the matter for failure to
# deal with the words of the sworn, under oath, official 
# testimony.

Problem is, no such testimony was given. You and Moran lie
when you claim it was given. 

If you claim it was given, name the witness who gave it.

That's a fair request, drunkard. You claim someone gave
that testimony, tell us his name. 

# Unfortunately the 80,000 gassed or burned in a single
# night came from one of the Keren's silly shit spams,

No, liar. If you claim I posted it, show us the article.

No wonder you can't find a job, Matt. No wonder your life is 
a miserable failure. You're an ignorant, lying, stupid slob.

You're not even a smart liar. Your lies are silly, transparent,
and very easy to expose and ridicule.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 09:13:30 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Yet More 'Revisionist' Rubbish... (Re: Holocaust Nonese
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cswiger@westco.net (Cliff Swiger) writes:

# Reality? I don't think so. Its a PERCEPTION. Reality tells
# us things like even state-of-the art crematoria take 90
# minutes to cremate a corpse

No, you're lying. look at the cremation society web page. It
can be done in less than an hour in some cremation furnaces.

Topf, the same firm that manufactured the Auschwitz-Birkenau
furnaces, submitted in 1951 a patent for a furnace in which
a corpse could be cremated in 30-45 minutes.

I took the trouble of obtaining this patent from the German
Patent Office, scanning and posting it, in order to educate
you lame-brained "revisionists". See the scans in

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/topf-und-soehne/images/

# at temperatures hundreds of degrees hotter than those available
# in circa 1940. 

"Hundreds of degrees hotter"? Says who? Where's your evidence
for this idiotic claim? 

# There were indeed ovens at the camps. They were used to
# cremate the dead.
                                                                 
See                                                              
                                                                 
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/            
furnace-capacity.jpg
                                                                 
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined       
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses     
in 24 working hours.                                             
                                                                 
They were sure expecting a lot of dead, were they not? 

# When you attempt to raze a nation to the ground, with          
# saturation bombing, you cut off a lot of supply routes.        
                                                                 
Plain rubbish. The death rate in the "work camps" was as high    
as 10 percent a month in 1942, long before the end of the war:   
                                                                 
Death rate in the "work camps", long before the end of the war   
(source: letter from Pohl to Himmler, "Trials Of War Criminals"  
(Green) series, Vol. V, p. 379.                                  
                                                                 
In July 1942, the death rate was 8.5 percent.                    
In August 1942, the death rate was 10.6 percent.                 
In September 1942, the death rate was 10.2 percent.              
                                                                 
It's back to the old drawing board for you, old chap.            
                                                                 
                                                                 
-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 09:13:31 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# That's funny.  The Nazis never referred to extermination
# by gassing in documents

Of course they have.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-01.jpg, wetzel-lohse-02.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar
Lohse, October 25, 1941, about murdering Jews "unfit for
work" using poison gas.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

Vergasungskeller.jpg
Document mentioning the "gassing cellar" in Krema II in
Birkenau.

Gas_Detector.jpg
Letter asking to deliver detectors for cyanide gas to
crematorium in Birkenau.

Gaskammern.jpg
Construction document which mentions a "gas chamber"
(Gaskammer) in Krema no. 5 in Birkenau.


-Danny Keren.




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When was this photograph taken?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 16:28:00 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'I only gassed them'
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Erich Gnewuch testifies about gassings in Nazi-occupied USSR, 1942-3
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 57-9]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
On orders from my department, I too drove a gas-van from Berlin to
Minsk. These vans had been constructed with a lockable cargo
compartment, like a moving van.
 
 .
 .
 .

I was detailed with the gas-van to about twelve convoys of arriving
Jews. It was in 1942. There were about a thousand Jews in each
convoy. With each arrival I made five or six trips with my van.
Some of the Jews were shot. I myself never shot a single Jew; I
only gassed them.

 .
 .
 .

A ghetto operation took place in the autumn of 1943. I was put into
action only once with the gas-van. I made three trips with it to the
execution site. I gassed about 150 to 180 people. 



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 16:28:01 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'All together, six gas chambers were active'
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Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Heinrich Matthes about Treblinka
[Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard 
Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 121]
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During the entire time I was in Treblinka, I served in the upper camp.
The upper camp was that part of Treblinka with the gas chambers,
where the Jews were killed and their corpses laid in large pits and
later burned.

About fourteen Germans carried out services in the upper camp. There
were two Ukrainians permanently in the upper camp. One of them was
called Nikolai, the other was a short man, I don't remember his name...
These two Ukrainians who lived in the upper camp served in the gas
chambers. They also took care of the engine room when Fritz Schmidt
was absent. Usually this Schmidt was in charge of the engine room. In
my opinion, as a civilian he was either a mechanic or a driver...

All together, six gas chambers were active. According to my estimate,
about 300 people could enter each gas chamber. The people went into
the gas chamber without resistance. Those who were at the end, the
Ukrainian guards had to push inside. I personally saw how the
Ukrainians pushed the people with their rifle butts...

The gas chambers were closed for about thirty minutes. Then Schmidt
stopped the gassing, and the two Ukrainians who were in the engine
room opened the gas chambers from the other side.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 16:28:02 PST 1996
Article: 89608 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese
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fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:

[Alleged antisemitic excerpt from Hitler's "Mein Kampf"]

# Strangely accurate, seeing that the words were written
# in 1922.

So, nazi-boy, if your hero was so smart, how come he ended
with a bullet in his head, his country in ruins, and your
beloved Grese dangling from a rope?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 16:28:03 PST 1996
Article: 89613 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: There was no decision
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[Followup = alt.revisionism]

olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
# Daniel Keren wrote:

## And now, you'll ask, if there was a decision to kill all Jews,
## why did some survive? The answer to that one is simple: the
## Nazis didn't have enough time to kill all of them.

# Or there was simply no decision to kill them in the first place.

Kreiberg, Kreiberg. Now let's be rational. This is but one
piece of evidence that there was a plan to kill them:

The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942:
[The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday &
Co., 1948, p. 147-148]
-----------------------------------------------------------
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government
[Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The
procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here
more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole
it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be
liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.



Now, why do you think Goebbels would write this, if there was
no plan to kill the Jews?

We are recently noticing a fascinating new trend in "Holocaust
revisionism": since "revisionists" can no longer claim that
all the documents are forgeries, or that the witnesses to the
Holocaust were "tortured" etc, they have started to dismiss all
the testimonies by claiming that all the witnesses (Jews,
Germans, never mind) were insane. Maybe you will suggest
to extent this to claim that all the Nazis, who authored
documents such as the above, were insane?

Or maybe, instead, you'll grow up? BTW, if it's not too
personal a question, how old are you? I will understand
if you don't want to reply; I'm just curious.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 19:05:54 PST 1996
Article: 89619 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Challenge To Matt Giwer (Re: Beastly poor math skills)
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I am afraid that Mike Stein's post may be too long for
poor old Matt. Let me therefore concentrate on a
single claim made by Matt's "revisionist" colleague:

# In particular, the probability that five out of eleven
# observed statistics will be multiples of six is
#       1/6^(11/(11/5)) = 1 in 7,776.

Matt, what do you think? You claim to have an IQ of
163 (actually, you said this was the lowest score you
ever achieved). You also, constantly, claim to be
much smarter than every "non-revisionist" posting
here. Can you, then, tell us what you think about
what your colleague wrote above?

Is his calculation true, or not? Don't help Matt here,
folks; let's see if he can do it by himself. After all,
he says we're all "dumb shits"...


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 28 22:44:21 PST 1996
Article: 89632 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese
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fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:

Ah, "rblackmore" with yet another alias!

# Grese testified that the gas chambers were rumored.

"I knew that prisoners were gassed" - Irma Grese,
in "The Belsen Trial", p. 251.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 02:12:32 PST 1996
Article: 89693 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Another Fine Example Of 'Revisionist Scholarship'
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I submit this as a truly astounding example of how
"revisionists" lie and distort.

After reading the following, it should be clear that
one should NEVER believe what these Nazi-apologists
write, without checking a primary source.

When I wrote:

## You heard it here first, boys and girls. The SS was
## "frightened of the inmates".

fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13), the "revisionist" also
using the alias "rblackmore", repeated his previous claim:

 From: fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13)
 Message-ID: <19961228142400.JAA10662@ladder01.news.aol.com>

# Of course they were frightened.....Who in their right mind
# would want to expose themselves to the disease carrying
# inmates from other camps?  Irma Grese came right out and
# said it at her trial.....she said she wouldn't go
# near the inmates at belsen as she was frightened of them.

This is what Grese REALLY said:



Q. At Belsen, have you ever struck a prisoner at all?

A. Yes, but only with my hand. The condition of the prisoners
   was so bad that one had almost a horror of them.



So, even Grese - whose hobby, in Auschwitz, was to beat
the inmates with a stick (as she testified), was so horrified
with the living skeletons in Belsen that she "only" beat
them with her hand! Now, perhaps the revolting liar
"fafner13@aol.com", will explain why she hit them with
her hand, if, as he claimed, "she said she wouldn't go near
the inmates at belsen"?

Indeed, when Mr. Van-Alstine refers to you as a "lying
scumbag Nazi apologist", he is being too polite.

Posted/e-mailed to Mr. Van-Alstine.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 02:29:05 PST 1996
Article: 93161 of soc.culture.german
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Small and big countries in the EU
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# Well the former East-German leaders Walther Ulbrecht and
# Honnecker were incarcarated during the whole Nazi-era. When
# they came out after more than ten years they were alive and
# kicking enough to raise to become head of state in DDR. They
# were already prominent communist in those days.
#
# Why weren't they shot, "gassed" or worked and starved to death?

Well, there are a few answers to this. First, some people were
lucky and survived; just like some people survive plane crashes.

But, perhaps more importantly, the Nazis did not mark *all* the
non-Jewish so-called "political prisoners" for annihilation.
After all, these people were not considered to be "sub-humans",
but to be "of German blood"; and there wasn't a policy to
murder them all. They were treated horribly; many died of
starvation and disease, and many were murdered, but there was
never a decision to kill them all.

For instance, according to SS records, quoted in "Concentration
Camp Dachau", ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 60, 447 German priests were
imprisoned in Dachau, and 94 of them died. In Mauthausen, in which
many "political prisoners" were held, there was often a death rate
of 30-50 percent per year.

I hope this answers your question.

And now, you'll ask, if there was a decision to kill all Jews,
why did some survive? The answer to that one is simple: the
Nazis didn't have enough time to kill all of them.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 03:00:15 PST 1996
Article: 89727 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Communist smears Buchanan
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premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor) writes:

# It is interesting how many communist supporters
# participate in a.r.

So, how many? Folks, old Matt will soon start claiming
he has a list of Commies, Joseph McCarthy style... :-)

# Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying
# on facts and figures.

However, you are not a revisionist. You are a lame,
lying, Holocaust-denier and Nazi-apologist. You
nazi-boys use the word "revisionist" to describe
yourselves, but you shouldn't. Well, George Orwell
wrote a nice essay about people like you.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 07:33:32 PST 1996
Article: 89740 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: THE LIES AND THREATS OF FERGUS MCCLELLAND
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:22:39 GMT
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In a recent article, Fergus McClelland accused me of 
e-mailing him a certain article, and posting it only
later, after he responded to it; hence, his paranoia and
hysteria led him to accuse me of trying to "blackmail"
him. This is what he wrote:

# I believe that you only posted it after you saw my public 
# reply. No point in your denying it, I won't believe you.

It is easy to verify that McClelland, in his typical fashion,
is lying through his teeth. 

As can be verified by looking at dejanews, my article 
appeared on alt.revisionism on [Date:     1996/12/24],
while McClelland's response is from [Date:     1996/12/25].

The corresponding ID's are

My 1996/12/24 article: 

McClelland's 1996/12/25 article: 
<32c08f56.18523260@news.demon.co.uk>

So, McClelland clearly lied when he claimed I tried to "blackmail"
him by first sending this article via e-mail, and only posting
it later.

Following the example of another "revisionist", Matt Giwer, 
McClelland posted the following threats:

 From:         redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland)
 Message-Id:   <32c939ee.8607931@news.demon.co.uk>

# But, like Pandora, he wants the box opened, even if it were to 
# mean substantial physical harm to himself.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

# You have played your hand and now must take the consequences of 
# it. If you ask me if this is a threat I shall not answer. Time
# will tell you what I mean. Suffice it to say that you have made
# a serious and implacable enemy of me. If you were older, and wiser,
# you would realise that it is never a good thing to have any real
# enemies.

You can always, very easily, identify these "revisionists". They are
the ones who screech and whine about freedom of speech, yet, when
they don't like someone's opinion, they try to silence him using
abuse and threats. 

Posted; also, e-mailed to the despicable liar McClelland, so
he won't be able to claim in the future that he didn't see it.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 07:52:25 PST 1996
Article: 89801 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Fine Example Of 'Revisionist Scholarship'
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## This is what Grese REALLY said:
##
## 
##
## Q. At Belsen, have you ever struck a prisoner at all?
##
## A. Yes, but only with my hand. The condition of the prisoners
##    was so bad that one had almost a horror of them.
##
## 

# Miss Grese also said that she was too busy attending funerals
# of SS staff members who were dropping like flies from the typhus.

Page number, please?

# It's that section where the released poor concentration camp
# victims went on a rampage throughout areas of Germany, robbing,
# raping, looting, and killing.

Maybe this is true. As one smart man said, Hitlers don't come
cheap. When you practice genocide, some of those who survive
will take revenge. You can blame your hero Hitler for that.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 12:52:29 PST 1996
Article: 89848 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE LIES AND THREATS OF FERGUS MCCLELLAND
Message-ID: 
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karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) writes:

# Danny, do I understand correctly that McClelland in his
# more recent posts puts a "Distribution:" line in the header
# to prevent them from being collected by DejaNews?

I think he always did it, not only in his recent posts. I 
am no expert on these things, but he has a "Distribution: 
X-No-Archive: yes" in his articles.

I don't know why he does that; anyway, dejanews does archive
his articles, as far as I can see.

# BTW, did you see his promised post on Moses? I only got the
# one on Noah.

Me too. Is he still claiming that Jews believe Noah was a Jew,
BTW? That was truly hilarious. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 13:57:21 PST 1996
Article: 89855 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?'
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fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:

# Irma Grese came right out and said it at her trial.....
# she said she wouldn't go near the inmates at belsen
# as she was frightened of them.

Well, our "revisionist scholar" here does not quote that
accurately. Let's see what his beloved Grese REALLY said:



Q. At Belsen, have you ever struck a prisoner at all?

A. Yes, but only with my hand. The condition of the prisoners
   was so bad that one had almost a horror of them.



Yes, boys and girls, there is no wonder why the
rblackmore/Fafner13/tutu101 entity is so much in love
with poor little Irma Grese.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 23:00:00 PST 1996
Article: 89860 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Challenge To Matt Giwer (Re: Beastly poor math skills)
Message-ID: 
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Can you believe this Giwer?

Matt, can you stop evading the subject and displaying
your pathetic cowardice?

A fellow "revisionist" of yours posted what he claimed
is probabilistic evidence that the Holocaust is a hoax:

# In particular, the probability that five out of eleven
# observed statistics will be multiples of six is
#       1/6^(11/(11/5)) = 1 in 7,776.

I asked you a very, very simple question: is his
calculation correct? Why do you refuse to answer?

It's HIGH-SCHOOL MATH. You have claimed, very often,
that you are a genius. You know that. You claimed that
your IQ is 163.

Yet you can't reply to this simple question...

Do you realize what a miserable joke you are? Do
you realize that everyone reading this is howling
with laughter? Do you realize what a zero you are?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 23:00:00 PST 1996
Article: 89885 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Patriots should use PGP
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salweb"  writes:

# Didn't you mean:    2^128 = 3.4 x 10^38   ?

Well, if you folks insist...

2^128 = 340282366920938463463374607431768211456

  :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 23:00:02 PST 1996
Article: 89889 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Victor Brack Offers To Kill 'Only' 80 Percent Of the Jews
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642.jpg

and

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642-2.jpg

Two pages of a letter from Victor Brack to Reichsfuehrer 
Himmler, suggesting not to kill all Jews, but spare 20-30 
percent for forced labor, while sterilizing them.

Translation of the relevant excerpt is in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/
brack-to-himmler-062342


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 23:00:04 PST 1996
Article: 89892 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: There was no decision
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# You are trying to belittle revisionism.

Me? Just read this group. All "revisionists" here constantly
lie through their teeth, every day. Nearly all of them are
blatant Nazis and antisemites; expressions like "kike filth",
"Jewish scum", etc, are so common here that hardly anyone
bothers to comment on them anymore.

I can, very easily, post a list of numerous blatant lies and
logical fallacies put forward by "revisionists". I think that
you know this. The intellectual value of "Holocaust revisionism"
is zero. I think that you know this.

# If revisionism really was that stupid as you are trying to
# make it, how come that the French and the German government
# and parliament fear it so much that they have taken so drastic
# steps as to have people thrown in jail for expressing
# revisionist views in public.

You will have to ask them, of course; I have clearly stated that
I oppose the legal persecution of "revisionists". However, let me
ask you this: if an opinion is stupid, does it mean that it is
not, possibly, dangerous?

Nazism was stupid. You agree with this, right? But didn't it
prove to be very dangerous?

Suppose that X is a model citizen. Never did anything bad in
his life. One day, Y, who hates X, starts publishing all
over the place that X is a child molester. It is a *stupid*
claim; he has no evidence whatsoever. But Y is still a
criminal, right? So, in principle, publishing something
stupid can be a crime - in the moral sense of the word - right?

So, do I think that "Holocaust revisionism" is dangerous? Most
probably, no; it isn't going anywhere. It failed. It attracts
only a small number of hard-core Nazis and antisemites, and
possibly some freaks, although these seem to be a small group
among the "revisionists". The "revisionist" arguments are
becoming more and more wacky and stupid every year. And,
moreover, the public is bored with it. The sensation is
gone. It's just "oh, no, it's those crazy a**holes who say
there was no Holocaust".

Look at what "revisionism" led to. It led to, among other
things, the Nizkor project. One of the main goals of
Nizkor is Holocaust documentation, and I am proud of
having contributed to this goal. Thus, as a direct result
of "revisionism", a rather large amount of Holocaust
documentation - texts, photographs, scans of documents,
recordings - is a few mouse clicks away from millions
of people. In the past, people would have to go to a
library and search for it. No more. It's right there
on your screen. Because of "revisionism", more people
will know more about the Holocaust. No question about it.

Is "revisionism" dangerous, potentially? Well, it can
succeed only if antisemitism succeeds. It is, plain and
simple, another tool of antisemitism. But all these tools
are really the same. So, can antisemitism succeed? Of
course it can, potentially, as can other hate campaigns;
we are not a better people than we were 50 years ago. The
only thing we can say is that we are more knowledgeable.
And that is our hope.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 29 23:00:05 PST 1996
Article: 89899 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Message-ID: 
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# What I/WE want to see is absolute forensic evidence,
# just like in any other murder cases.

As noted here, many times, the physical evidence includes:

 - Many documents and photographs.

 - Huge numbers of corpses and human remains in some of the camps.

 - Some of the gas chambers, with cyanide traces on their walls.

 - Some of the mass graves, discovered after the war.

Thus, there is far greater physical evidence for the Holocaust
than for:

 - The bombing of Dresden.

 - The death of German civilians after the war.

 - Stalin's atrocities.

Now, fair is fair. You claim that 3 million German citizens
were murdered after the war. According to your own standards,
you have to show us 3 million corpses. Can you do that?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 30 10:00:42 PST 1996
Article: 89995 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'All together, six gas chambers were active'
Message-ID: 
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at@dot.dot (The First One) writes:

# And we know from the pathology of diesel engine exhaust that 
# it would take a full hour for them to develop headaches. 

Two key points:
 
1) A scientific paper proves that it is very easy to tune a diesel
   so that its exhaust contains hardly any oxygen, and up to 6
   percent CO. This is much higher than the lethal concentration.
 
("The Significance of Diesel-Exhaust-Gas Analysis", by
J.C. Holtz and M.A. Elliot, Transactions of the ASME,
Vol. 63, 1941, p. 97-105).
 
2) Another scientific paper proves that when animals were exposed
   to the exhaust of a tiny diesel engine (6 BHP) in a closed
   chamber, they died.
 
("The Toxicity of Fumes from a Diesel Engine Under Four Different
Running Conditions", by Pattle et al., British Journal of Industrial
Medicine, 1957, Vol 14, p.  47-55).
 
All this proves, very clearly, that the "revisionist" claims about
"difficulties" (or the impossibility of) killing people with diesel
exhaust, are totally and completely false.
 
 
-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 30 10:00:42 PST 1996
Article: 90014 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: treb.jpg (1/1)
Message-ID: 
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premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor writes:

# May 15, 1944, 8 months and not one growing season
# after buildings, watchtowers and fences were said to
# have been removed.  Certainly not enough time for things
# to have undetectable from the air.

You really have nothing to say, which is probably why you're
being so vague.

What is the photo supposed to show? What is it supposed to
prove? What exactly are you claiming?

It seems to show a clearing - which is very bright - and
next to it, some fields, and what may be a railway. Inside
the clearing there's a dark rectangle. BTW, why do you
think the clearing is so bright? Is this the original
photograph, or was it somehow manipulated?

What is this? Is this supposedly an aerial photo of Treblinka,
taken 8 months after it was dismantled?

# Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts
# and figures.

But you are not a revisionist. Look in the dictionary, please,
and you will see that you do not fit the description.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 30 10:59:36 PST 1996
Article: 93218 of soc.culture.german
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: There was no decision
Message-ID: 
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[Followup = alt.revisionism]

olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# You are trying to belittle revisionism.

Me? Just read this group. All "revisionists" here constantly
lie through their teeth, every day. Nearly all of them are
blatant Nazis and antisemites; expressions like "kike filth",
"Jewish scum", etc, are so common here that hardly anyone
bothers to comment on them anymore.

I can, very easily, post a list of numerous blatant lies and
logical fallacies put forward by "revisionists". I think that
you know this. The intellectual value of "Holocaust revisionism"
is zero. I think that you know this.

# If revisionism really was that stupid as you are trying to
# make it, how come that the French and the German government
# and parliament fear it so much that they have taken so drastic
# steps as to have people thrown in jail for expressing
# revisionist views in public.

You will have to ask them, of course; I have clearly stated that
I oppose the legal persecution of "revisionists". However, let me
ask you this: if an opinion is stupid, does it mean that it is
not, possibly, dangerous?

Nazism was stupid. You agree with this, right? But didn't it
prove to be very dangerous?

Suppose that X is a model citizen. Never did anything bad in
his life. One day, Y, who hates X, starts publishing all
over the place that X is a child molester. It is a *stupid*
claim; he has no evidence whatsoever. But Y is still a
criminal, right? So, in principle, publishing something
stupid can be a crime - in the moral sense of the word - right?

So, do I think that "Holocaust revisionism" is dangerous? Most
probably, no; it isn't going anywhere. It failed. It attracts
only a small number of hard-core Nazis and antisemites, and
possibly some freaks, although these seem to be a small group
among the "revisionists". The "revisionist" arguments are
becoming more and more wacky and stupid every year. And,
moreover, the public is bored with it. The sensation is
gone. It's just "oh, no, it's those crazy a**holes who say
there was no Holocaust".

Look at what "revisionism" led to. It led to, among other
things, the Nizkor project. One of the main goals of
Nizkor is Holocaust documentation, and I am proud of
having contributed to this goal. Thus, as a direct result
of "revisionism", a rather large amount of Holocaust
documentation - texts, photographs, scans of documents,
recordings - is a few mouse clicks away from millions
of people. In the past, people would have to go to a
library and search for it. No more. It's right there
on your screen. Because of "revisionism", more people
will know more about the Holocaust. No question about it.

Is "revisionism" dangerous, potentially? Well, it can
succeed only if antisemitism succeeds. It is, plain and
simple, another tool of antisemitism. But all these tools
are really the same. So, can antisemitism succeed? Of
course it can, potentially, as can other hate campaigns;
we are not a better people than we were 50 years ago. The
only thing we can say is that we are more knowledgeable.
And that is our hope.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 30 16:25:39 PST 1996
Article: 90032 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Forensic Studies, Enemies of the Myth
Message-ID: 
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Huge numbers of corpses in some of the camps.

Huge amounts of human remains in some of the camps.

Cyanide traces on the walls of the gas chambers.

And Moran thinks that the forensic evidence is on the
"revisionist" side. Amazing.

Moran, you keep evading the following question: what is
the forensic evidence that Dresden was bombed? What is
the forensic evidence to Stalin's atrocities?

You know that it is zero, right? So, if you deny the
Holocaust, why don't you deny them as well? After all,
there is forensic evidence for the Holocaust, and none
for these other events.


-Danny Keren.

PS - still waiting for your explanation about the
     non-existing testimony you posted a few days ago.
     Please, don't tell me you have no idea what I'm
     talking about.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 09:10:14 PST 1996
Article: 90077 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: There was no decision
Message-ID: 
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[Followup-To: alt.revisionism]

olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# And anti-revisionists never lies. Is that what you are trying
# to tell me?

You tell me. Don't throw accusations. Show examples. Show that
it is a common technique, as with "revisionists".

Let us look at a typical example. Giwer has posted, many times,
a piece of testimony which does not exist. He claimed that a
Jewish doctor testified about a mass gassing in Belsen. Giwer
(correctly) noted that no such mass gassing took place in that
camp, and therefore claimed that the witness was lying.

However, Giwer was lying; the witness spoke of Auschwitz-Birkenau,
not about Belsen.

I pointed out that Giwer is lying. He didn't care. He just went
on, and kept posting it. And now Tom Moran is repeating this lie.

These people are lying, and they know they're lying, and they
go on lying. This is but one example.

"rblackmore" lies in practically every article he posts. He
misquotes. He claims that Amon Goeth was "executed by the SS
for mistreating Jews", while he was actually tried and executed
by the Poles after the war. Another example out of many.

# You can trust all the wild tales about German cruelty during WW2.

Non necessarily. But there is a global picture that forms about
a historical event. When each and every person who was in a certain
camp says that it was a death camp, you cannot simply cast this away,
as "revisionists" do. You cannot simply discard all the testimonies,
all the documents, all the photographs, all the physical remains,
all the population statistics. You do that, and you can "prove"
that no historical event ever took place.

I have demonstrated here, many times, that using "revisionist
methods" one can "prove" that Dresden was never bombed, etc.

# The Germans were black devils and the Allies were white angels.

No, I never said that.

# I have a posting by you on my harddisc, where you call me
# a nazi-swine.

Perhaps as a response to your suggestion to arrest and deport
Danish citizens because you don't like the color of their skin?

Sorry, but many people will call you worse than what I called
you. I saw the reactions to your articles on soc.culture.nordic.

# Why isn't there any danger that communism will happen again.

Who said there isn't? What has that got to do with anything?

# Tell me then why the EU are pressuring it's member nations to make
# a legislation that makes it possible to incarcarate people that
# express revisionist viewpoints in public.

Why should I explain a law which I oppose to? Ask them. I don't
write the laws for the EU.

# What do mean by "we". The Germans were the only responsible
# for nazism. How dare you defame Non-German people.

I meant in general. The Holocaust wasn't the only atrocity in
this century. And no nation is immune.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 09:10:14 PST 1996
Article: 90092 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A real_Jewish_ interest group
Message-ID: 
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at@dot.dot (The First One) writes:

# After all it was jew terrorists who twice tried to
# murder Ernst Zundel.

To the best of my knowledge, no suspect was arrested,
certainly not charged of anything. How do you know
Jews are guilty?

Can't you stop lying for one hour? One minute? One second?

Now, Matt, you must have heard about the big fight in the
IHR office in CA a few years ago. Carto. Raven. Weber. All
the "leading revisionists". Beating the crap out of each
other. Pulling loaded guns on each other.

These folks seem to be quite violent among themselves.
Who can tell, then, that it was not some other "revisionist
scholar" trying to get Zundel? Like Hitler had Roehm
and other leading Nazis murdered?

# Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts
# and figures.

Sigh. You are not a revisionist. Look in the dictionary. You
are a lying Nazi-apologist.


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 09:10:15 PST 1996
Article: 90148 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: spam from times gone by
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at@dot.dot (The First One) writes:

# The quality of Keren spam never improves.

Interesting, had no idea dejanews goes back so far.
Judging from the newsgroups, I was replying to Dan
Gannon (BTW, anyone knows what happened to him?).

# [much deleted as you have read it many times.]

For those who have not read it, here's a more
complete excerpt from Boeck's testimony.

Testimony of SS private Boeck:
[Extracted from "Der Auschwitz Prozess", by Hermann Langbein,
Vol. I, quoted in "Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas 
chambers - J.C Pressac, the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989,
p. 181].
------------------------------------------------------------------
Q: were you present at a gassing operation one day?

A: Yes, it was one evening. I accompanied the driver Hoeblinger. A
   transport had arrived from Holland and the prisoners had to
   jump from the wagons. They were well-off Jews. There were
   women with Persian furs. They arrived by express train. The
   trucks were already there, with wooden steps before them, and
   the people climbed aboard. Then they all started off. In the
   place Birkenau once stood, there was only a long farmhouse
   (Bunker 2) and beside it four or five big huts. Inside, the
   people were standing on clothes which were building up on
   the floor. The block leader and the sergeant, carrying a cane,
   were there. Hoeblinger said to me 'lets go over there now'. There
   was a sign 'to disinfection'. He said 'you see, they are bringing
   children now'. They opened the door, threw the children in
   and closed the door. There was a terrible cry. A member of the
   SS climbed on the roof. The people went on crying for about
   ten minutes. Then the prisoners opened the doors. Everything
   was in disorder and contorted. Heat was given off. the bodies
   were loaded on a rough wagon and taken to a ditch. The next 
   batch were already undressing in the huts. After that I didn't
   look at my wife for four weeks.




-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 09:10:16 PST 1996
Article: 90201 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'All together, six gas chambers were active'
Message-ID: 
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

[Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Heinrich Matthes about Treblinka]

# Sixteen men altogether, to usher through millions?

No, there were the Ukrainian guards too.

# And what happened to the other names mentioned in
# other eyewitness testimony?

Like who?

# Evidently the two Ukrainians were able to herd thousands
# into he chambers.

More than two.

# What happened after the two Ukrainians opened the rear doors?
# Did the two unload the thousands? Did the two carry them over
# to the burial pits? Did the two dig the pits?

The corpses were taken out by the "sonderkommando" who
were themselves prisoners. That you managed to miss this,
after reading this newsgroup for two years or so, is
really quite amazing.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 09:10:16 PST 1996
Article: 90204 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: There was no decision
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:    
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:39:20 GMT
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
# Daniel Keren wrote:
## olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

### I have a posting by you on my harddisc, where you
### call me a nazi-swine.

## Perhaps as a response to your suggestion to arrest
## and deport Danish citizens because you don't like the
## color of their skin?

# Only those that refuse to leave voluntarily.

Well, I guess this discussion is closed.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 13:35:16 PST 1996
Article: 93258 of soc.culture.german
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: There was no decision
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:    <32c71db6.22502345@news.dmsc.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:53:44 GMT
Lines: 80

Let me note that I do not consider these "revisionist"
rants to belong to this newsgroup. I will keep setting
the followups to alt.revisionism.

cswiger@westco.net (Cliff Swiger) writes:

# There has NEVER been produced a document that indicates
# the NSDAP had any intentions of commiting genocide
# "Hollywood Holocaust Style" against the Jews.

How about the following? Just a few.

The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942:
[The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday &
Co., 1948, p. 147-148]
-----------------------------------------------------------
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government
[Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The
procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described
here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On
the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will
have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for
forced labor.



http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

eg-map.jpg
Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied
Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action
unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. Includes figures of
Jews murdered by the Einsatzgruppen.

report-51.jpg
Report from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during 4
months in 1942.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-01.jpg, wetzel-lohse-02.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar
Lohse, October 25, 1941, about murdering Jews "unfit for
work" using poison gas.

# The Wannsee Conference is often referred to as the meeting
# whereby the "extermination" program was expounded upon. But,
# anyone who reads the document for themselves can easily
# understand that the NSDAP's plans amounted to nothing more
# than relocating Jews to the east for labor detail.

No, no. It meant genocide. Just read it.

Extracts from the minutes of the Wannsee conference, January 20
1942, regarding the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question"
[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals -
Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. XIII, p. 210-216\
]
-------------------------------------------------------------------

[...]

Under proper direction the Jews should now in the course of the
Final Solution be brought to the East in a suitable way for use
as labor. In big labor gangs, with separation of the sexes, the
Jews capable of work are brought to these areas and employed in
road building, in which task undoubtedly a great part will fall
out through natural diminution.

The remnant that finally is able to survive all this - since this
is undoubtedly the part with the strongest resistance - must
be treated accordingly since these people, representing a natural
selection, are to be regarded as the germ cell of a new Jewish
development. (See the experience of history).




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 13:35:16 PST 1996
Article: 93289 of soc.culture.german
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: More Jewish Lies!
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32c87006.109123414@news.dmsc.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:30:35 GMT
Lines: 52

[Followup, as usual, set to alt.revisionism]

# After Vrba finally admitted that neither he nor Wetzler
# had EVER (Emphasis mine) entered ANY (Emphasis mine) of
# the crematoria

But what about the people who built the gas chambers, and
who ran them? What about the sonderkommando survivors? What
about the testimonies of all these people?

This is really cheap propaganda on your part. True,
Vrba was never inside the crematorium during his stay in
Auschwitz. Thus he is not the *best* witness about
the gas chambers; but there are such witnesses - as
noted, those who built the gas chambers, those who
ran them, and the "sonderkommando" survivors.

If you're looking for first-hand information about
the Auschwitz-Birkenau crematoriums, you may start with
the following documents and photographs:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Vergasungskeller.jpg
Document mentioning the "gassing cellar" in Krema II in
Birkenau.

Gas_Detector.jpg
Letter asking to deliver detectors for cyanide gas to
crematorium in Birkenau.

Krema4.jpg
Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau.

krema5-01.jpg
Crematorium no. 5 in Birkenau

Gaskammern.jpg
Construction document which mentions a "gas chamber"
(Gaskammer) in Krema no. 5 in Birkenau.

Furnace.jpg
Cremation furnaces in a Birknenau crematorium.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 14:13:47 PST 1996
Article: 90244 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Forensic Studies, Enemies of the Myth
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32d5f322.4040667@199.0.216.204>  <32d12a11.1371092@199.0.216.204>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:53:41 GMT
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
# Daniel Keren (dkeren@world.std.com) writes:

## Huge numbers of corpses in some of the camps.
##
## Huge amounts of human remains in some of the camps.

# Show it.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
nordhausen-01.jpg, nordhausen02.jpg: Murdered inmates.

These are just some of the photos that are routinely posted
here. Did you miss them? Huge amounts of human remains
and ashes were found in Treblinka and Maidanek.

## Cyanide traces on the walls of the gas chambers.

# Show it.

Sigh. Tommy, you are 60-years-old, right? Why are you behaving
like a stupid child? We have been through this numerous times.
Even the "revisionists" (Leuchter, Rudoplh) admit that there
are cyanide traces on the walls.

## Moran, you keep evading the following question: what is
## the forensic evidence that Dresden was bombed? What is
## the forensic evidence to Stalin's atrocities?

# I don't know anything about Dresden or Stalin casualties.

Correction: you don't know anything about nothing.

Your childish and silly evasion does not change the fact
that, using your "revisionist" arguments, one can "prove"
that Dresden was not bombed, that Stalin's regime never
killed anyone, etc.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 14:13:48 PST 1996
Article: 90245 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Matt Giwer and His 163 IQ Points
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:15:30 GMT
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Matt Giwer often claimed on this newsgroup that he has
an IQ of 163, and that practically everyone who posts
here is mentally retarded when compared to him.

Yet, Giwer cannot handle high-school mathematics; the
proof is very simple. Here is what a "revisionist"
recently posted here, in an attempt to use probability
in order to "prove" that the Holocaust is a "hoax". His
claim is that the number 6 pops up too often in accounts
of the Holocaust (and Giwer also made such a claim).

# In particular, the probability that five out of eleven
# observed statistics will be multiples of six is
#       1/6^(11/(11/5)) = 1 in 7,776.

Now, I have repeatedly asked Giwer if this calculation
is correct. Giwer never answered; instead, he began asking
me irrelevant questions, such as how many people were in
the camps, etc.

It is obvious that Giwer can't solve this trivial problem,
so he's trying to evade it by changing the subject.

Now, it is not my habit to have fun at the expense of people
who can't understand basic mathematics. There are people who
I consider to be very wise, but they just can't handle math.

However - Giwer, as noted, claims to be a genius, who knows
more about science and engineering than any other person who
posts here. Therefore, it is fair to ask him to prove that
he can, at least, handle a trivial high-school math problem.

But he can't.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 14:13:49 PST 1996
Article: 90248 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Tom Moran Posts Non-Existing Testimony (Re: Forensic Studi
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32d5f322.4040667@199.0.216.204>  <32d12a11.1371092@199.0.216.204>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:00:49 GMT
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Responding to my question about the non-existing testimony
he posted a few days ago, Tom Moran answered:

# I have no idea what your talking about.

Well, this is what I'm talking about:



 From tm@pacificnet.net Fri Dec 27 05:03:34 EST 1996
 Subject: False witness/ethnic ethic/rock ...hard place/desperation

# In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the
# trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and
# Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000 Jews,
# representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been gassed
# or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.



You are lying. The Jewish physician, Dr. Bendel, testified that
the 80,000 Jews of the Lodz Ghetto were murdered in the gas
chambers of Birkenau, and not in Belsen. Also, he didn't say
that they were all murdered and burned in one night.

You posted this lie, and distorted Bendel's testimony, for a
very simple reason: to make him appear unreliable. Since no
such mass gassing took place in Belsen, you're hoping to fool
people into believing he testified about something that didn't
happen, and thus to portray him as unreliable.

The amazing thing is to see how many times you "revisionists"
do this. This lie about Bendel's testimony has been posted here
many times. I pointed out, every time, that it is a lie; yet
you continue to post it.

There can be no explanation to this, but for the fact that
you are liars, who continue to post claims which you know
are untrue.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 14:13:51 PST 1996
Article: 90251 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Dachau
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <851818042.19397@dejanews.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:56:31 GMT
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher2.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, 
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat 
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation 
courtesy of John Morris.

  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."

  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 31 21:01:45 PST 1996
Article: 90324 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Dr. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:39:43 GMT
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Testimony of Dr. Hans W. Muench 
[Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military 
Tribunals" - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol.
VIII, p. 313-321]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?

A. I had already heard about extermination camps, and particularly
   extermination camps for Jews, through reports over the Swiss radio
   that I listened to regularly in the preceding years, but since I
   considered this news to be propaganda, I did not believe it at the
   time, because the facts that were being described seemed too 
   terribly outrageous to me. When I arrived in Auschwitz, and had to
   convince myself personally that these reports were not exaggerated, 
   I was very much shaken emotionally.
 
 .
 .
 .


Q. Mr. witness, you were informed about the fact that human beings were
   gassed at Auschwitz?

A. Yes.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, for what reason did you not spread the fact that human
   beings were being gassed and exterminated?

A. I was asked this very often and also before the Supreme Court of 
   Cracow, and I can say in answer to it that that would have been a 
   completely useless undertaking which would have very shortly caused 
   me and my family to be liquidated very quickly, because the Gestapo 
   was so well organized and the threats for nonobservance of the 
   secrecy that surrounded the Auschwitz exterminations were so clearly 
   worded for members of the SS that everybody avoided telling even his 
   closest friend about it, because experience taught us that anybody 
   who talked about it in any way was very quickly found because the 
   Gestapo sniffed out every rumor very consistently that spread about 
   Auschwitz.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in
   Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two
   days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things?

A. I repeatedly witnessed guided tours of civilians and also of
   commissions of the Red Cross and other parties within the camp,
   and I was able to ascertain that the camp leadership arranged it
   masterfully to conduct these guided tours in such a way that the 
   people being guided around did not see anything about inhuman
   treatment. The main camp was shown only and in this main camp there
   were so-called show blocks, particularly block 13, that were
   especially prepared for such guided tours and that were equipped 
   like a normal soldier's barracks with beds that had sheets on them, 
   and well-functioning washrooms. 

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human
   beings?

A. Yes, I saw one gassing at one time.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, you testified a little earlier that those who were sick
   in the camps, like in concentration camp Monowitz, would be sent to
   Auschwitz-Birkenau, but I wasn't quite clear as to why they were 
   sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. I'd like to put just a question or two 
   to you on that. Mr. witness, those people who were in the hospital 
   at Monowitz and were shipped to Auschwitz-Birkenau because of an
   edema or phlegmon, for what purpose were they shipped to Birkenau?

A. As far as these people were Jews, I must state that most of them
   were gassed.


Q. And, Mr. witness, if they were sent from the hospital in Monowitz to
   Auschwitz-Birkenau, and they were Jews; and they were sent because 
   of weakness and collapse, why were they sent to Birkenau?

A. Also to be gassed.



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