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From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  1 07:50:22 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: If the holocaust is not a fake,then why is Ken McVoy and Nizkor so chicken shit to deabet Winston Smith ?
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  1 07:50:24 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OSR - USSR No. 24 Einsatzgruppe A
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klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) writes:

[Text of USSR No. 24 Einsatzgruppe A]

Many thanks for posting these reports.

I plan to scan some and post the jpegs to the web
site, incluing the "Jager Report".


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  1 12:29:17 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Silly superstitious holohuggers think a curse is a death threat
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# To this idiot a curse is a death threat.

 "Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the US 
above all others".

You posted this, Matty. In addition to being an outright
lie and slander, it's also an explicit threat to kill me.

But this is the Nazi way - when you can't win with reason,
resort to such tactics.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  1 12:31:54 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Silly superstitious holohuggers think a curse is a death threat
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# To this idiot a curse is a death threat.

 "Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the US 
above all others".

You posted this, Matty. In addition to being an outright
lie and slander, it's also an explicit threat to kill me.

But this is the Nazi way - when you can't win with reason,
resort to such tactics.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  1 16:33:32 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: The Plunder of the Victims, IV
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Report by SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl to Himmler's office, February
6 1943, listing items plundered from Jewish victims and delivered
to various Nazi organizations
[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. V, p. 699-703]
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1. Reich ministry of economics
 
Men's old clothing without underwear       97,000 sets
Women's old clothing without underwear     76,000 sets
women's silk underwear                     89,000 sets
                                         Total 34 cars
Rags -           400 cars, 2,700,000 Kg
Bed feathers -   130 cars, 270,000 Kg
Women's hair -   1 car, 3,000 Kg
Scrap material - 5 cars, 19,000 Kg
 
2. Office for Germanization
 
Men's clothing:
 
Pants -        62,000
Shirts -       132,000
 .
 .
Shoes -        31,000 pairs
 
Women's clothing:
 
Coats -        155,000
Dresses -      119,000
 .
 .
Panties -      60,000
Brassiers -    25,000
Underwear -    22,000
Kerchiefs -    85,000
Shoes -        111,000
 .
 .
                                               211 cars
[Many more organizations and items cited]
 
                                    Grand Total 825 cars
 


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  2 14:39:51 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Israel provokes the end of peace
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        Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
            with him about historical facts
        ---------------------------------------

Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
kill me himself.

Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".

Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
for all of this.


 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
 Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism

[Giwer writes to me]

# Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
# first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
# US above all others.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
 Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism

# Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
# a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
# the US.
#
# The curse is upon him.
#
# He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
# Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
# security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
# are no loyal Americans.
#
# They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
#
# Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
 Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism

[Giwer writes to me]

# May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
# apart.  May you know death from drowning.

# And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
# end of time and from then into eternity.  




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  2 14:39:52 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Nizkor, why?
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 writes:

# I was shocked to see the sort of degrading (to us all)
# language that they utilize when speaking of Matt Giwer.
# Why is this?

Because Giwer routinely refers to many people on this
newsgroup as "piece of shit", "stupid shit", "fat broad",
"traitorous scum", etc.

He also has this annoying habit of threatening to kill
people who disagree with him about various historical
events.

But this is the type of people who find "revisionism"
attractive. But you know this, right?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  2 14:39:53 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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            Giwer the Liar Posts a Testimony
	          Which Does Not Exist
                  -------------------- 

Note that Giwer has nothing with which to respond to the
fake testimony he posted here just a few days ago.

Giwer posted a non-existing testimony. Period. He did it in
order to "prove" that testimonies of survivors are a "lie".

The tactic is simple; "revisionists" use it all the time. They 
invent a non-existing testimony, or distort an existing one, 
and then post it as if it was an actual testimony. Al Baron 
did it. Tom Moran did it. And now Giwer does it.



# In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the
# trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and
# Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000
# Jews,  representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been
# gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.



Since there was no such mass gassing in Belsen, Giwer is 
trying to make it appear as if a witness said there was such 
gassing, in order to "prove" that this witness was lying.

Giwer has yet to provide the name of this witness. But
he can't. Note that his only response to this reasonable
request is to spam the group by reposting something totally 
unrelated. 

But this is what you can expect from a senile, pathetic,
miserable liar like Giwer.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  2 17:01:02 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Shhh! Don't mention it
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# How many people would think that the main gas said to have been
# used for extermination, the gas that is at the center of the
# Auschwitz story, was, in Holocaust reality, pellets made for
# fumigation purposes.

Which releases HCN, the same cyanide gas used for execution
in gas chambers in US prisons.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  2 19:29:04 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Anne Frank WAS NOT GASSED
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Jeffrey  writes:

# Anne Frank [Notice how AN FAKE can be extracted from her name]

It's a great "revisionist" tradition, to joke about a young
girl who was murdered by the Nazis. Possibly that's the only
way in which they can get themselves aroused?

# and her relatives were interned by the Germans. They were 
# sent to a camp to work.

Oh, that "work camp" in Auschwitz, with five huge crematoriums,
and 52 cremation furnaces, and "gassing cellars", and "gas
chambers" in the crematoriums.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

Vergasungskeller.jpg 
Document mentioning the "gassing cellar" in Krema II in Birkenau.

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Gaskammern.jpg
Construction document which mentions a "gas chamber"
(Gaskammer) in Krema no. 5 in Birkenau.

burning-pit.jpg
Corpses of victims killed in the gas chambers are burned
outside of Krema no. 5. Photograph taken in the summer of
1944, when the Hungarian Jews were murdered at such a rate
that the cremation furnaces could not handle the number
of corpses.


# Anne got sick and was sent to a recovery camp to recover.

See

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

For photos from such a "recovery camp".

# A camp that became massively overcrowded, where the delousing
# apparatus had  broken down, where the water supply was polluted,

belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

buchenwald04.jpg:
German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
well-dressed and well-fed they are.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:28 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Yet there are other camps said to have been the centers for the
# extermination of far greater numbers. Majdanek is said to have
# been a place where 1.5 million were exterminated. Treblinka 2 million.

What I read gives about 1.3 million victims for Auschwitz, 360,000
for Maidanek, 700,000 for Treblinka. Auschwitz was indeed the worst
camp.

# In addition to this, both Treblinka and Majdanek are said to have
# been over run by the Soviets while they were still in operation

What the hell are you babbling about? Treblinka was dismantled in
1943, after the "sonderkommando" rebellion in which it was partially
destroyed. As for Maidanek, one may look at some photographs from
there, taken after liberation:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images

maidanek-01.jpg
Shoes of the victims piled up in Maidanek camp.

maidanek-02.jpg
Burned corpses of Maidanek inmates.

Maidanek_Crematorium.jpg
The crematorium in Maidanek.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:29 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Strange Holocaust "gas" properties
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Yet how many would know that this gas can be picked up,
# scattered around, poured and could rattle in cans?

Tommy, you poor fellow. It is the Zyklon-B you're talking
about, not the gas itself. It's a carrier for the gas.

You have yourself mentioned it a few times. Now you seem
to be claiming it didn't exist?

It was invented in the 1920's. Not even the craziest "revisionist"
has yet denied the existence of Zyklon. You must be really
going down the tubes.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:29 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Considering how the Soviets had set up a Extraordinary Commission
# for the study of war crimes from day one of entering the camps, why
# did the Soviets not take photos of the alleged Cremas, even in their
# razed state?

Of course they did. See Pressac's book.

# and why didn't the Soviets take any photographs

They did.

# or present detailed forensic reports about what was or said to
# have been while they had the chance of timely investigation?

The ventilation grills were subjected to chemical analysis
in 1945.

# Why?  Because the buildings shown in the Allied aerial photograph
# of 1/14/45 weren't Cremas for the mass extermination of human
# beings, that's why.

Try harder next times. That is, don't base your conclusion on lies
which are very stupid and very easy to refute.

Poor, poor old Tommy.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:30 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# What equipment did he have in the camp?

learn to read, dummkopf.

 "To restore the water supply we utilized the water pumps and hose
which we found inside the camp to pump water from the river to the
camp itself" - testimony of Major Berney, p. 54, "The Belsen Trial".

Major Berney also said that he can think of no reason why the
Nazis didn't supply water to the inmates.

# Kramer is only guilty of ignorance here, as he thought the river
# was polluted -

"He thought it was polluted".

# and it probably was.

No it was not. Enough already.

# It was only in his best interests to supply the inmates with water
# if he could.

Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
should you care?".




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:31 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Haphazard state of affairs
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Now this doesn't seem such a bad design, at least when compared
# to what they came to build at Auschwitz, which the first two were
# built underground making it necessary to carry the thousands of
# bodies up the stairs and through a couple of door ways.

Of course, an elevator was used to take the corpses to the ground
floor where the furnaces were. I guess this was mentioned here a
few hundreds of times. But Tommy Moran is a "revisionist scholar".

# Why Auschwitz didn't go for the well proven, by Holocaust
# accounts, method of extermination by carbon monoxide said to
# have been used at other camps to kill millions of people is a wonder.

One obvious reason is that Zyklon was used in Auschwitz before
Belzec started operating. It worked well and Hoess decided not
to switch to using engine exhaust. He also mentions in his memoirs
that using engine exhaust sometimes resulted in technical problems,
and adds:

 "Experience had shown that that the preparation of prussic acid
[HCN] called Cyclone B caused death with far greater speed and
certainty" [p. 133, "KL Auschwitz Seen by the SS"].


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 08:36:32 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

## You _post_ the proof of your statements or admit you are
## just fabricating things.

# when I get around to it.

Will that be before Giwer gets a job?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 12:05:47 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam - Part 4
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This is a verbatim quote from the cross-examination of Fred 
Leuchter, "revisionist scholar, engineer and scientist":

[Pages 9196-9198 of the transcript in Zundel's trial. 
Cross-examination conducted by Mr. Pearson]:


Q: Now, Mr. Leuchter, Mr. Christie, when he was reviewing your
   qualifications, said that, if my note is correct, you graduated
   from university in a field that entitles you to function as
   as engineer and you responded in the affirmative to that question?

A: Yes. I have a Bachelor of Arts degree.

Q: You graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree?

A: Right.

Q: When?

A: You mean what year?

Q: What year?

A: 1964.

Q: 1964. And that's the only University degree you have?

A: That's correct.

Q: You don't have a Bachelor of Science degree?

A: No.

Q: You don't have a Master of Science degree; you don't have a 
   Ph.D in science?

A: Correct.

Q: You don't have a degree in engineering?

A: That's correct.

Q: Do you belong to any supervising disciplinary professional body?

A: I don't understand the question, counselor.

Q: Well, do you belong to a governing body of engineers?

A: I -- governing body? I do not understand. Are you saying do I
   belong to any scientific societies?

Q: No, is there any body of engineers that supervises you and
   disciplines you in your engineering function?

A: No. 




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 12:05:48 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers
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The crazed Matt Giwer is now trying to defend the claims of
Ernst Zundel, "leading Holocaust revisionist", that the Nazi
leadership escaped to the inner earth via a "hole in the
South-Pole", using "secret UFO's".

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers

Zundel, remember, also claims to have met the "German scientists"
who designed and built the UFO's.

Is Giwer mad enough to believe this stuff? Apparently, yes. Or,
is he desperately trying to save the reputation of Ernst Zundel,
another crazed liar? 

Like someone trapped in quicksand, poor old Giwer sinks deeper and
deeper, every time he tries to get himself out.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 12:05:49 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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The question which Tommy Moran doesn't ask, and can't
answer, is the following:

Why on earth did the SS destroy the crematoriums before
evacuating the camp?

It is clear that, had these installations been innocent,
they would leave them standing for the world to see.

There were a few occasions in which the International Red
Cross visited the camp. But they were never taken to 
the Birkenau crematoriums. Now, if there was nothing
criminal about these installations, why on earth didn't 
the SS take the IRC visitors to see them? 

Any "revisionist" explanation for this? Of course not. 

Reports about the gassing in various camps began in 1942.

If no gassing was taking place, the Nazis would obviously
have taken the IRC delegates to these camps; they would
have taken them to Treblinka, to the Birkenau crematoriums,
etc, and tell them "see for yourself, there's no mass murder
taking place here".

But they didn't. Because, like the "revisionists" today, they
tried to conceal the truth.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 12:05:49 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: DON'T FORGET JEW SET UP CHEKA FOR COMMIES
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acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

# It was that well known Polish JEW, Louis Felix Dzerzhinski,
# whose headquarters instilled fear in every innocent taken
# there for torture!!!

Dzerzhinski was a Jew?

# No wonder the Unrainians hate the Jews and the KGB/OGPU/NKVD 
# etc., all run and controlled by JEWS,such as Lavrenti Beria. 

Beria, of course, was not a Jew, but a Mingrelian.

# Remember the enforced starvation of 1933 when the Jewish NKVD 
# stole all the food in the Ukraine, so that they could live 
# high on the hog in Russia??

"Stole all the food"? Where did they hide it?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct  3 21:26:11 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

[On Moran's claim that the Soviets didn't take any
 photos of Auschwitz after liberation]

## Of course they did. See Pressac's book.

# Pressacs book? Why not your websites.

If it's not on "your website" it doesn't exist?

### and why didn't the Soviets take any photographs

## They did.

# Wherzat?

In Pressac's book.

# I have never seen any.

That's your problem.

## The ventilation grills were subjected to chemical analysis
## in 1945.

# I've never seen this one.

That's another problem.

# Are you going to expand on it, or leave it at that?

It's in Pressac's book too. Look it up.

# Either way. I take it this is the only one. "Ventilation
# grills"?

Yes. The ventilation grills of the gas chamber in Krema III.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct  4 17:24:39 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
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It's been more than a month now, and Matt Giwer has not yet 
posted the name of the person who allegedly gave the testimony 
he mentions below.

Yet, he keeps insisting he's not lying, and that such testimony
was indeed given. Why can't he tell us who gave it?

Giwer is a crazed liar.

            Giwer the Liar Posts a Testimony
	          Which Does Not Exist
            -------------------------------- 

Giwer posted a non-existing testimony. Period. He did it in
order to "prove" that testimonies of survivors are a "lie".

The tactic is simple; "revisionists" use it all the time. They 
invent a non-existing testimony, or distort an existing one, 
and then post it as if it was an actual testimony. Al Baron 
did it. Tom Moran did it. And now Giwer does it.



# In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the
# trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and
# Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000
# Jews,  representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been
# gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.



Since there was no such mass gassing in Belsen, Giwer is 
trying to make it appear as if a witness said there was such 
gassing, in order to "prove" that this witness was lying.

Giwer has yet to provide the name of this witness. But
he can't. Note that his only response to this reasonable
request is to spam the group by reposting something totally 
unrelated. 

The truth is that a Jewish doctor did testify about the
murder of the Lodz Jews in gas chambers, but he said it
took place in Auschwitz, not Belsen; also, he didn't say
they were all murdered in one night.

Our pathological liar posts an "edited" version of the testimony.

But this is what you can expect from a senile, pathetic,
miserable liar like Giwer.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:36 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Zyklon is lighter than air.

No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
and it's certainly not lighter than air.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:37 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# On the one side we have people reporting IMT eyewitness
# claims which are impossible, 

Such as?

# cremation rates which are impossible, 

Such as?

# disposal rates of ash which are impossible.

What?

# Think of the logistics of such figures. It's awesome.
# In Britain, we have a supposed danger from BSE infected 
# cattle. It is proposed to kill and incinerate 180,000 of 
# the animals. Guess what? There is a logistical problem.

There was no problem in burning about 250,000 cows during the
hoof-and-mouth epidemic in Britain in the 1960's. Not to
mention that a cow weighs much more than a human.

# The reality is bad. The Myth is disgusting.

Yes, indeed, the myth spread by a tiny number of crazed Nazis - 
namely, that the Holocaust never took place - is disgusting.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:37 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Evil Palestinians
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# The total of kids shot under the age of twenty was over 900.

Source? Anyway, "under 20" is not equivalent to "kids".

# I don't know how many of the Israelis were killed. But it 
# wasn't any 400. 

That's the approximate figure as I recall. I guess one can 
check these things.

At any rate, I agree that the IDF - especially in the early
stages of the intifada - failed to find the correct response,
and that too many people died.

If my opinion is of interest to my two secret admirers on the
newsgroup, I also believe that the Israeli Govt. is dead wrong
in what it is doing; I believe the territories should be given
to the Palestinians to have their country. It's a risk, but 
it's a risk Israel has to take.

# And none of them was killed by rocks. 

Untrue.

# The 1000 figure you give for the killing of collaborators is way
# over what it was.

No it's not.


-Danny Keren.

 -----
Tommy Moran pulls his Streicher schtick:



 From tm@pacificnet.net 
 Article: 81079 of alt.revisionism
 
        Keep an eye out for these Hebrew characteristics.
Hebrews have a problem with controlling their body language. 
They either jam their hands deep into their pockets or fold their 
arms in front of them in a self hugging stance, to keep their
hands from flailing about. They also shuffle in place.
        Ah yes the huggems, the Larry King syndrome.





From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:38 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# I notice our resident computer scientist fails to post the
# actual testimony but expects his simple statement of same to
# be accepted.  

The testimony is in "The Belsen Trial".

# On the other hand it fails to address the 80,000 in one night
# at Auschwitz thinking it has made a point with the issue of
# the camp.  

A) The witness didn't claim that 80,000 were murdered in one night.

B) Matt Giwer lied, claiming the testimony was given about Belsen,
   when in fact it was given about Auschwitz.

# I could make up a name and you would not know the difference.  

Giwer is a liar. He posts fake testimony. That is that.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:39 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

# 33 years before he testified as an eye witness who saw people
# being gassed. But Muench didn't even bothered himself to build
# a coherent story by picking up officials informations before to
# testify. He placed the crematoria and the gas chamber building
# one or 1 1/2 kilometer on the sout west of Birkenau camouflaged
# in a small woods. It can't be even a misunderstanding with the
# 1942 farmhouse:

He's probably referring to Krema IV or V, which were surrounded
by trees. Moreover, one of the "bunkers" was used again during
the summer of 1944.

# The fact here is that accounting for his testimony at the Farben
# trial, it is obvious that Muench never saw the gassing that he
# described.

Our desperate Nazi-apologists claim that they are the only ones
who know what happened in the camps, although 

A) They were not in them during the war.

B) There is not one single witness who was in them during the
   war, who supports the Nazi-apologetic version.

They are left with nothing but the claim that everyone who was
in the camps - Jew, Pole, German, Soviet, Gypsy - is a liar,
and only they know the truth.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:40 PDT 1996
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# Read the information holohuggers fear [...]

Giwer is still posting the address of Ernst Zundel's web 
site as a reliable source on the history of WW2. Another
web site offered by Giwer is Greg Raven's; Raven wrote
on the net that Hitler was a "great man, and the best
thing that could have happened to Germany".

Returning to Zundel: this "leading Holocaust revisionist"
also claims that the Nazi leadership escaped the Reich, during 
the end of WW2, and fled into the inner earth via a "hole" in 
the South-Pole, using "secret UFO's". He even claimed to have 
met some of the "German scientists" who built these "UFO's"...

See text and image files from Zundle's publications on these
fascinating matters:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers

On a more serious note, you can look at the Nizkor web site
(http://www.nizkor.org) for information on the Holocaust and
on Holocaust-denial. Recently, some photographs documenting
Nazi atrocities were included as jpeg files. Some are
available at:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:41 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Made from 100% pure Jewess hair
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# Another dickless one speaks up.  

And Matt Giwer, another vulgar, jobless fool, who can't 
find a job although he declares his IQ to be 163, vomits 
trash into the net.

# The subject is that there has never been any object ever 
# discovered that was manufactured of Pure Jewess Hair. 

A small rug, or doormat, made of human hair, was found and 
is now in Yad-Vashem. But more than that: huge amounts of
human hair were found in Auschwitz-Birkenau, and they are
still there. Perhaps Giwer will explain why the Nazis had
all this hair collected and stored, if they didn't plan
to use it for something? Have a go at it Matty; show us dem
163 IQ points in action.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:42 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

# First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that
# many of their reports and figures were exaggerated. 

That's a true pearl of "Holocaust revisionism". He's
telling us that the commanders tried to make it look as if
they killed *more* Jewish women and children than they
really did! Why would they do that? Only, of course, if
killing more Jewish women and children would have made them
look better in the eyes of their superiors. 


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:42 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Made from 100% pure Jewess hair
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# Now that the human hair myth has fallen again, 

But Giwer also apparently believes the Nazis escaped into
the inner earth with "secret UFO's". At any rate, he is a
fan of Ernst Zundel, who claims this.

Why is there such a huge amount of human hair in Auschwitz?
Why did the SS collect and store it, if they didn't plan to
use it?

You poor fool. Get a job already. At this rate, not even
the IHR will hire you.


-Danny Keren



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:43 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:44 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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 In the course of your career have you ever seen anything
like this before? -- I have been a doctor for 30 years and
have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen 
anything to touch it.

 Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all
to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that
camp? -- Absolutely none.



Brigadier Glyn Hughes testifying. Quoted from "The Belsen
Trial", p. 35.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:45 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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It's true: most of the victims in Belsen camp died from 
starvation and from typhus. Since no one cared enough to 
feed them, or to give them water, or to make any effort 
whatsoever to save them, they died.

This is murder just as shooting or gassing someone is murder; 
it only takes more time and is more painful.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct  6 08:48:46 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner 
in Belsen, who was "employed" as corpse carrier there:

(p. 60-61)

We made our way along the central road towards the burial pit. Along
this road, stationed at intervals, were orderlies to see that the
flow of dead to the pits carried on smoothly; they were particulalry
numerous near the kitchen and the resevoir water. One of the most
cruel things in this particular work was the fact that we passed
this water regularly on every trip, and although we were dying
of thirst we were not allowed to touch it or get anywhere near.

[...]

I would like you to picture what this endless chain of dead going
to the pits must have looked like for about five days from sunrise
to sunset. How many were buried I have no idea. It must have been
vast numbers - certainly five figures. 

You didn't dare to fall out, but many collapsed on the way - just
lay dead by the roadside, or died. They in turn were lifted by a
team of four and taken to the pits. People died like flies on the
way to these pits. They did not have the necessary energy to drag
even those very light bodies. A man who faltered was usually hit
on the head.

(p. 62)

I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all. Sometimes
there was a hidden reason which we learned of only after many
dozen had been killed; for example, at the north entrance of
the mortuary yard many people had been killed before we realized
that the particular guard in charge of that gateway wanted to
see people go through at the double dragging the dead body
behind. He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
hundreds were shot per day.

[1] Ethnic Germans ("Volkdeutche") from Hungary who were
    recruited to the SS.




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Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who 
worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
should you care?".




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:54 PDT 1996
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I am asking our "revisionist scholars" yet again: if there was
nothing criminal taking place in the Birkenau crematoriums, why
didn't the SS take the Red Cross visitors into them?

Heck, that's what I would do if I was running a camp with
innocent crematoriums, used only to cremate corpses, and
there were accusations that they had homicidal gas chambers
in them. I'd take the Red Cross visitors right inside the
kremas, and show them that these accusations are groundless.

I would also invite journalists, whatever, to prove this.

But we all know why this was not done, don't we?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:54 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# Once more, little jerkoff jew, you fail to address the OR in his
# statement. Murdered OR burned in a single night is the issue and
# you will not touch it with a ten foot Pollack.  

He said nothing about 80,000 people being murdered or burned in
one night.

You're still a liar, who posted testimony which does not exist,
in an attempt to discredit Holocaust survivors. You intentionally
changed the camp from Auschwitz to Belsen. You're a disgusting liar.
 
# Give it up, little jew shit. 

Find a job, you miserable fool.

# You are dealing with your betters here.

The fact that you are unemployed since the age of 46, is taking
its toll on you. It has made you frustrated, angry and hateful,
not to mention your other mental problems.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:55 PDT 1996
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# Keren still pretends that his obvious bloodlust hatred of
# everyting German is a rational position in the world.

Quite amusing to read this, since I have no hatered for Germans;
my favorite authors are mostly German, and I have German friends.

I may spend a month next year in one of the Max Planck institutes,
and I am looking forward that possibility. Wanna join me, Matty?
Surely even Max Planck can use a 163-IQ type like you (ha) with
so much knowledge of physics (ha-ha) and mathematics (ha-ha-ha).

# It actually believes that nothing German can have any value
# whatsoever.  

No. I believe nothing Nazi has any value whatsoever. And I don't
like Nazi scum, whether they are German, American, or British. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:56 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# I have posted the overall picture of Birkenau which included IV
# and V and they are as close to the barracks as the barracks are 
# to each other.  

What is their location with regard to the SS HQ in Birkenau?

What is the location of the so-called "bunkers"?

# There are no trees any where in sight.  

You must be blind.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Krema4.jpg

These are not trees? 

# Grow up and get a life beyond the holocaust.  

Please get a job and become a productive member of society, instead
of a leech.
 
# You are lying.  And you konw you are lying.

I know these things in the photo are not trees? What are they then?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:57 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Nazi Terror in Poland
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More excerpts from the work diary of Hans Frank, governor of
Nazi-occupied Poland, regarding the reign of terror imposed on
the Poles by the Nazi occupying forces. These are also taken
>from  document PS-2233, and appear in "Nazi Conspiracy and 
Aggression", Vol. IV.

Page 907 (Frank speaks in department heads meeting, 8 March 1940):

"Wherever there is the least attempt by the Poles to start anything,
 an enormous campaign of destruction directed against the Poles
 will follow".

Page 909 (Frank speaks in department heads meeting, 19 December 1940):

"The Pole must feel here that we are not building him a legal
 state, but that for him there is only one duty, namely, to work 
 and to behave himself. It is clear that this leads sometimes to
 difficulties, but you must in your own interest see, that all
 measures are ruthlessly carried out in order to become master of
 the situation".

Page 911 (Frank speaks in a conference of the District 
Standartenfuehrer of the NSDAP, 18 March 1942):

"You see how the state agencies work. You see that we do not
 hesitate before anything, and stand whole dozens of people up
 against the wall. This is necessary because here simple 
 consideration says that it cannot be our task at this period 
 when the best German blood is being sacrificed to show regard
 for the blood of another race".

Page 917 (Frank in a speech to members of the District 
Standortfuehrung, 14 January 1944):

"Once we have won the war, then, for all I care, mincemeat can
 be made of the Poles and the Ukrainians and all the others who
 run around here - it doesn't matter what happens".

Page 917 (Frank in a meeting of the Political Leaders of the
NSDAP):

"I have not been hesitant in declaring that when a German is
 shot, up to 100 Poles shall be shot too".




-Danny Keren. 




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:57 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Nazi Persecution and Murder of Polish Priests
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Extract from charge number 17 made by the Polish government against
the defendants indicted before the International Military Tribunal
[Trial of Major War Criminals, Vol. XXXII, p. 134-135]
---------------------------------------------------------------

11. The general situation of the clergy in the Archdiocese of Poznan
    in the beginning of April 1940 is summarized in the following
    words of Cardinal HLOND's second report:

        " 5 priests shot
          
          27 priests confined in harsh concentration camps at Stutthof
          and in other camps
          
          190 priests in prison or in concentration camps at Bruczkow,
          Chludowo, Goruszki, Kazimiers Biskupi, Lad, Lublin and
          Puszczykowo

          35 priests seriously ill in consequence of ill-treatment

          122 parishes entirely left without priests."

12. In the diocese of Chelmo, where about 650 priests were installed
    before the war, only 3% were allowed to stay, the 97% of them were
    imprisoned, executed or put into concentration camps.

13. By January 1941 about 700 priests were killed, 3,000 were in
    prison or concentration camps.

         


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:58 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: The Nazi Plundering and Starvation of the Polish Population
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Here are a few excerpts from the work diary of Hans Frank, governor 
of Nazi-occupied Poland, in which he discusses the plundering of 
Poland and the systematic starvation of the Polish population (Frank
also mentions that about a million Poles have been rounded up and 
sent as slave labor force to Germany).

All quotes are from "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression", Vol. IV. All
are taken from document 2233-PS.

Page 914: on 20 November 1942, Frank discusses food plundered from
Poland and sent to Germany:

"Of the total 180,000 head of cattle to be delivered, 159,000 have
 been delivered to the Reich up to now. 360,000,000 eggs have been
 collected. 92,000,000 of those eggs were delivered for the Reich,
 and 85,000,000 are already in possession of the Reich...

 It was stated in the decree of 25 August 1942 that a decrease in 
 the rations should occur, respectively that rations should be
 denied completely to the Polish population not working for the
 German interest".



Page 915: in a meeting (14 December 1942) Frank mentions more food
supplies taken from Poland:

"I will endeavor to get out of the reservoir of this territory
 everything that is yet to be got out of it.

 When you consider that it was possible for me to deliver to the
 Reich 600,000 tons of bread grain, and in addition 180,000 tons
 to the Armed Forces stationed here..."



Those who suffered from this ruthless plundering of Poland's
resources were, of course, the Poles. On page 909, we have
the following:

"Obermedizinalrat Dr. Walbaum expresses his opinion of the health
 condition of the Polish population. Investigations which were
 carried out by his department proved that the majority of Poles
 eat only about 600 calories, whereas the normal requirement
 for a human being is 2,200 calories. The Polish population was
 enfeebled to such an extent that it would fall an easy prey to
 spotted fever..."




-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:59 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# It appears that all of the "guilt" of Kramer at Bergen-Belsen 
# rests totally and completely upon the British claim that the 
# Brits were able to do something in five days that Kramer did 
# not try to do in the last thirty days.

Kramer was accused by the Brits of crimes in Birkenau and Belsen.

Since we're talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that
he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That's murder
just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp,
and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty,
it's murder.

The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         

-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:32:59 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: mountains of shoes and hair
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# They were always discovered but then why were they never 
# shipped out? 

Many were shipped out; but the SS ran out of time.

# Tons of hair a jewish soap discovered and never used.

Tons of hair were discovered in Auschwitz; the hair is still
there. Same story - they didn't have time to ship it out.
        
# How strange.

Only for someone like you. When you claimed to have an IQ
of 163, didn't you really mean "163 working neurons"?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 07:33:00 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Chuckle Fairy
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# In case I need to remind anyone, the Chuckle Fairy has claimed
# to have been one of the people who murdered the guards at Dachau.

I recall he posted witnessing the shooting of the SS guards, not
that he participated in it.

Could you post the article in which he allegedly said to have
participated? Please, no "look it up on dejanews". You made the
statement, you prove it by posting the article, if it exists.

If you don't post it, we will have yet another proof that you
are a pathological liar.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 10:05:36 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# For example, as you pretend not to know, may I refer you to the
# repeated posting of Ada Lichtmann's testimony at the Demjanjuk trial.
# In her testimony, she speaks of the sound of the laughter of fighter
# pilots who were machine-gunning the boarded up train cattle car in
# which she was travelling, amongst other things. I would venture to
# suggest that it would not be possible for her to hear their laughter,
# nor even see their faces. To expand, (as you seem to be in naive and
# stupid mode at present).
# 1. The sound of a fighter plane engine is rather louder than that
# of a person laughing.

The sound of a strong engine is loud indeed. However, sit in
a car with a strong engine, rev it up, and scream. Will someone
standing by hear you scream?

# 2. The sound of machine guns is louder than human laughter.

Didn't she explicitly say that she heard them laugh when they
were not shooting?

# 3. The cattle car in which Miss Lichtmann was travelling  was boarded
# up, reducing any chance of reception of the higher frequencies of the
# human voice.

Eh? 

# 4. The dying, who were close to the witness, were screaming. This
# would tend to mask the sound of laughter from a pilot who was at least
# 50 or 60 feet away from Miss Lichtmann.

Has it occurred to you that people can hear and identify many
sounds at the same time, or during a very short time?

# 5. The pilot might have been wearing an oxygen mask - which would
# have further reduced any escaping sound.

At such a low height, he would have to wear an oxygen mask? What is
this rubbish?

# 6. The cockpit of the fighter plane would probably have been closed -
# further reducing the escape of the sound of laughter.

And if the pilot opened it?

What you did was present testimony which may be false. I am not
sure. People in such a situation - being shot at - are, possibly,
not the most accurate witnesses. Then, you switch to the typical
"revisionist" rubbish of "since this testimony is false, the
Holocaust is a hoax". So, since we have "testimony" about 
Dresden's bombing which is obviously insane, we can, by the
same "logic", decide that the city was never bombed.

# Later in the same testimony, we hear of people being taken off the
# train and being forced to dance. Not impossible I grant you, but so
# impractical. 

The Nazis did practice this kind of "fun". There are some rather
well-known photos, of German soldiers brutalizing Jews (kicking
them, cutting their beards). 

# This gives us:
# 60 / 7.9 = 7.594936708 minutes per body.

But a few corpses (usually 3) were cremated in the same muffle.
No big problem; this is not standard procedure, out of obvious
reasons (respect for the dead, the need to collect the ashes of
each separate corpse), but these were not factors in Birkneau.
Moreover, there was a high percentage of children and infants
among the victims, and their corpses occupy much less space.

These figures are supported by Nazi documents.

But perhaps the best refutation of this particular piece of
"revisionist" rubbish is the fact that the Germans burned numerous
corpses of people who died in Dresden, in rather the same
method they burned corpses in some of the camps. I have
posted to Nizkor's site a photo of corpses being burned 
in that manner; one has to assume that, next, "revisionists"
will claim that Jews and "Aryans" don't burn in the same way?

# Really Mr Keren, this is getting laughable. I refer you to the amount
# of ash, 6 or 7 pound weight per body, disposed of in Treblinka, a
# small site. If there were 1000,000 people cremated there, whether in
# pits or ovens, then there would have to be at least 6000,000 pounds of
# ash. That is a lot of volume of ash to be disposed of.

Rubbish, plain and simple. In terms of volume, relative to the
volume of earth in which the ashes were discarded, it's tiny.

You obviously cannot handle basic arithmetic. Reminds me of
another "leading revisionist" in this group.

Moreover, ashes and human remains *were* found, mixed with earth,
up to a depth of 7.5 meters in Treblinka.

Re the burning of the cows: just tell us how many cows were
burned after the hoof-and-mouth epidemic of the 1960's, and
how much time it took.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 12:34:31 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: what we find...
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        Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
            with him about historical facts
        ---------------------------------------

Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
kill me himself.

Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".

Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
for all of this.


 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
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[Giwer writes to me]

# Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
# first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
# US above all others.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
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# Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
# a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
# the US.
#
# The curse is upon him.
#
# He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
# Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
# security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
# are no loyal Americans.
#
# They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
#
# Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
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[Giwer writes to me]

# May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
# apart.  May you know death from drowning.

# And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
# end of time and from then into eternity.  




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 12:34:33 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Giwer - head up arse again...
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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:
# mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

## Keren still pretends that his obvious bloodlust hatred of
## everyting German is a rational position in the world.  It
## actually believes that nothing German can have any value
## whatsoever.

# Where did Danny Keren show an "obvious bloodlust hatred
# of everything German"?

Nowhere and never, of course. But you have to understand poor
old Matt Giwer. He is a man who has failed in everything
he ever tried to do; a hateful, vulgar, crazed fool whose
only goal in life is to "get even" with various people, and/or
groups of people, he thinks are guilty of the fact that his
life had been such a colossal failure.

Just look at him - a person who claims to have an IQ of 163,
yet has been unemployed since the age of 46, and who cannot
grasp basic arithmetic, nor highschool physics and chemistry.

He's full of hate, he's frustrated and mad as hell, so he resorts
to the old Goebbels tactic  - lying and slandering his opponents.

That's all he can do. That's how he was born, that's how he lives,
that's how he will die. No one can help him.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 12:34:33 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photograph: Document About Killing With Poison Gas Jews 'Unfit For Work'
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-01.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-02.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar 
Lohse, October 25, 1941, about murdering Jews "unfit for
work" using poison gas.

Translation in
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/wetzel.102541


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 12:34:34 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photograph: Medical 'Experiments' in NATZWEILER (Strasbourg)
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images

MedExp03.jpg:

The horror in Natzweiler (Strasbourg): the dissected 
corpses of victims used for Dr. Hirt's "anthropological 
research".


See photographs of relevant documents in
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hirt.august/images

(Translation to be added soon).


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 12:34:35 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: what we find...
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In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Matt Giwer
suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due
to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 12:34:35 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photograph: Brack's Plan To Kill 'Only' 80 Percent Of the Jews
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642.jpg

and

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642-2.jpg

Two pages of a letter from Victor Brack to Reichsfuehrer 
Himmler, suggesting not to kill all Jews, but spare 20-30 
percent for forced labor, while sterilizing them.

Translation of the relevant excerpt is in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/
brack-to-himmler-062342


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 12:34:36 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Show Trials'? No, Just Another 'Revisionist' Lie
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This is excerpted from "The Belsen Trial", p. 254-6. The
accused is SS-woman Irma Grese; she is interrogated
by Colonel Backhouse about her crimes in Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Note how she responds to the questions. Only a "revisionist"
nut would claim that this exchange could have taken place
at a "show trial".

Colonel Backhouse: I suggest to you that you gave evidence 
at an enquiry against a guard who had refused to shoot 
people crossing the wire on the grounds that you had sent 
them over deliberately?

Grese: You can think what you like, but it is a lie, and it
is wrong.

[...]

Colonel Backhouse: Gertrud Diament [a survivor] in her 
deposition said that your favorite habit was to beat women
until they fell to the ground and then kick them as hard
as you could with your heavy boots?

Grese: That is a lie. Perhaps it is her habit to lie.



So, an accused Nazi calling the survivors, and a senior
member of the British counsel for the prosecution, "liars".

Gee. And our "revisionist scholars" have been telling us
all along that these were "show trials", in which the accused
Nazis were "told what to say", bla-bla.

"Revisionists". What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 13:47:46 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photograph: Rascher's Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher2.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, 
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat 
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation 
courtesy of John Morris.

  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."

  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct  7 13:47:48 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

# You friend dr. Keren IS A first rate skeptical if not downwright
# DENIER about the atrocities,--  rape and bloody murder by the 
# Soviet hordes, -- when he asked me for EVIDENCE.

If you people are going to play this game, play it fair.

By "revisionist" standards, you have to supply very strong
physical and documentary evidence for this claim. For instance,
they demand to see 6 million corpses of Jews as a proof for the
Holocaust.

If you don't have the evidence, then, by "revisionist" standards, 
you're a liar and hatemonger.

Do you have it? Yes or no?

Or do you reject the "method" of "Holocaust revisionism"?

You can't have it both ways.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:56 PDT 1996
Article: 72545 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# You even quoted the 80,000. To refresh your memory, it is
# again.  Notice where it says 80,000 gassed or BURNED TO DEATH
# in a single night.

He didn't say that they were all killed in one night.
That's one lie you posted. The other lie you posted is that
this testimony was given about Belsen, when in fact it was
given about Auschwitz.

Face it, you're a pathological liar. All "revisionists" I
have seen are liars; but you're the most stupid one, and
the worst liar. By this I mean that you post the largest
number of lies, and, moreover, you post very stupid lies
which are very easy to expose. You are not even smart
enough to post lies that are harder to detect. But, I guess,
if you were smarter, you wouldn't be unemployed since the
age of 46, eh?

# Why is it you REFUSE to address what it plainly says and
# then deny that it says was you refuse to address?

What am I refusing to address?

You posted a testimony which does not exist. You're a liar.
Period.

If you claim you posted real testimony, supply us with the name
of the person who gave it. But you can't.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:57 PDT 1996
Article: 72554 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: DON'T FORGET JEW SET UP CHEKA FOR COMMIES
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acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

# The fact that the JEWS controlled the Soviet secret Police

You mean like the non-Jew, Beria?

# After all, if the JEWS have murdered many millions before WWII,

But they didn't. Stalin did. He was not a Jew. Sorry about that.

# how can one believe their lies regarding supposedly lost Jews
# in the war?

But the information is from German sources and documents.

# Particularly when the respected International Red Cross stated
# that only 320,000 Jews were unaccounted for as a result of the war???

An old "revisionist" lie. The IRC denies ever having produced
such statistics. I have seen no "revisionist" supply a source
for this figure.

BTW, it was posted that you lived in Germany during WW2, and were
a member of the "Hitler Youth". Is this true?



-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:58 PDT 1996
Article: 72577 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS
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Fergus McClelland  writes:

# So, you say that this "evidence" is "rubbish"?

No. Maybe you should learn to read.

# This is just one example out of many, mentioned only because you
# asked for it. What about the tearing babies up with bare hands stuff?

Manner of speech, probably. "Mike Tyson tore the other boxer
to pieces". Doesn't mean he actually tore the other guy's
hands and legs off.

## So, since we have "testimony" about Dresden's bombing which is
## obviously insane, we can, by the same "logic", decide that the
## city was never bombed.

# Did I say that? No.

But this is a direct continuation of your line of argument.

# But then, nobody is trying to claim that the bombing of Dresden
# was a "race crime" and that the world has got to feel guilty
# about it and pay for it ad infinitum with compounded interest.

Totally irrelevant. This is a rather lame attempt on your side
to evade the issue. The issue is the "revisionist" claim that,
since some testimonies about the Holocaust are inaccurate, this
means the Holocaust is a "hoax". Well, we have positively insane
testimonies about Dresden's bombing. We have positively insane
testimonies about Soviet atrocities against German civilians. Using
the very same "revisionist logic", we arrive at the "revisionist
breakthrough" that Dresden was not bombed, and that there were
no such Soviet atrocities.

## The Nazis did practice this kind of "fun". There are some rather
## well-known photos, of German soldiers brutalizing Jews (kicking
## them, cutting their beards).

# But they made the trains run on time! Surely, if they kept stopping
# them for a disco and a short back and sides, they would have been late
# arriving at the platform.

And who said the trains were stopped for that reason?

# I'm sure that the Germans did "brutalize" Jews and many others,
# though a beard cutting would not mean much to me.

Who the hell cares what it would mean to you?

# So, they were mostly little bodies eh? Why was that? What percentage
# please were half-adult sized?

Your lame attempts at sarcasm are not doing you very good. Nearly all
the deportees who were "unfit for work" were killed immediately. These
included children and infants.

## These figures are supported by Nazi documents.

# Please let us have sight of them.

A very well-known one is the following:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

# Please show the correct calculations, to show me where I have gone
# wrong. Don't just accuse me - show me. I will admit to being wrong
# if you prove me to be so.

You claimed 6,000,000 pounds of ash. That's about 2,700 (metric)
tons. Assuming the density of water, that's approximately equivalent
to a cube 14 x 14 x 14 meters in dimension. The actual volume was
smaller, as, again, there were many children and infants among the
victims. But, even if it was 14 x 14 x 14: compute the relative
volume of this amount, over a large area (say, 200 x 200 meters),
with a depth of up to 7.5 meters. According to my computer,
14^3/(200*200*7.5) = 0.00914. I'll let you translate that into
percentages.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:59 PDT 1996
Article: 72578 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS
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Fergus McClelland  whines:

# Now, what about the money that I consider you, if you are a Jew,
# owe to this country for the war and Israel?

Well, clown, if we're playing such games, what about you paying
the good old US of A back for saving your butt in WW2? Heck, if it
were not for the US, you'd probably be singing the "Horst Wessel"
every morning. Or maybe you're singing it nontheless?


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 08:33:59 PDT 1996
Article: 72579 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: What happend to Dan Gannon?
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lfshort@europa.com (lynn falkow-short) asks:

# Over the years I've followed this newsgroup and the postings
# of Dan Gannon with a mixture of anger and an admittedly weird
# interest.  I heard recently that Mr. Gannon's BBS called Bannished
# CPU is down and callers are getting a message that the number has
# been disconnected.  Anyone know what ever happend to him?

Have no idea what happened to good-old Nazi boy. However, since
the IHR has its own account and web site, I guess they just
didn't need him anymore. He was never much more than a robot,
who would obediently post their material. Now, they can do it
themselves, or by using the Giwer-robot (a new breakthrough in
AI, with 163 IQ points! :-) ).


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 08:34:00 PDT 1996
Article: 72650 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## Our desperate Nazi-apologists claim that they are the only ones
## who know what happened in the camps, although 
##  
## A) They were not in them during the war.

# Note:  Danny Keren claims to be an authority on what happened 
# inside and outside of the camps, yet he was never in them.

No, Nazi-boy. Unlike you, I don't claim to know better than
each and every one who was in them.

##  B) There is not one single witness who was in them during the
##     war, who supports the Nazi-apologetic version.

# Paul Rassinier was. 

That's one. Good for you. However, I don't count Rassinier, as
he was not in any of the camps in which the large-scale murder
in gas chambers took place.

##  They are left with nothing but the claim that everyone who was
##  in the camps - Jew, Pole, German, Soviet, Gypsy - is a liar,
##  and only they know the truth.

# Let's try ex-commandant of Auschwitz, Richard Baer.  

Don't start with the crap about "Baer denied the gassings". He 
never did that; he only said he was not guilty, as they took
place in Birkenau (Auschwitz II) while he was in Auschwitz I.

# After that, let's try Artur Breitweiser....

Go ahead. He never denied the gassings.

# etc., etc......

Yeh, etc, etc. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 08:34:01 PDT 1996
Article: 72651 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

You're posting from worldnet, Matty? Did netcom kick you
out, after your e-mail bombs? 

## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Krema4.jpg
##
## These are not trees? 

# That is your captioning.  I am posting the real pictures.  

You're posting the real pictures? Knowing Giwer, he's probably
posting the photo of Eva Braun's bathroom, claiming it's the
crematorium.

Where is this "real picture" of yours, Matty? Where did you
get it from?

# You self worth is totally enwrapped in what someone else
# will pay you. That is pitiful.

Get a job, you damned leech. You claim to have an IQ of 163. It 
should not be so difficult if that is true. 


-Danny Keren.



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Article: 80240 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: German Holocaust
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[Followup = alt.revisionism]

There was no such "German Holocaust", although:

1) Many Germans did die in bombing raids during the war.

2) Many German prisoners of war did die in the USSR (although
   a rather smaller number than Soviet prisoners who died in
   Nazi captivity).

This is propaganda spread by the same neo-Nazis who deny the
Holocaust. Such as our old "acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca",
who claims the Red Cross gave a figure of 300,000 victims
of the Nazi genocide - a lie, of course; no such figure
was ever given by the Red Cross.

This is not the right collection of newsgroups in which to
elaborate on this neo-Nazi propaganda; interested people
can look in http://www.nizkor.org/ for more information.

One relevant document:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

report-51.jpg
Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during only
four months in 1942. 

See also

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 14:59:00 PDT 1996
Article: 72706 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer)
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## He didn't say that they were all killed in one night.
## That's one lie you posted. The other lie you posted is that
## this testimony was given about Belsen, when in fact it was
## given about Auschwitz.

# Then post the real testimony

It's in "The Belsen Trial", testimony of Dr. Bendel. It's
easy to find. I'll type some in later.

# dickless jew traitor.

Grow up, for God's sake. You're 51-years-old. At least that's
what you said.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 14:59:02 PDT 1996
Article: 72707 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
Message-ID: 
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# After the British took over the camp they were faced
# with the same problems as Kramer, but have no fear-
# the British are here---and funny thing, in spite of food,
# water, and medicine and quality care 28,000 more died.

They died because they were already in a hopeless state,
after being treated by your great hero, Joseph Kramer. Had 
the Brits arrived a few days later, probably no inmate would
have survived.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 14:59:03 PDT 1996
Article: 72708 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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One wonders: since "rblackmore" accepts Kramer as a reliable
source on what happened in Belsen, does he also accept him as
a reliable source on what happened in Natzweiler and Birkenau?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 14:59:04 PDT 1996
Article: 72709 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Don't worry about the color....it was described by Artur
# Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz.  By the
# way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.

So what? He never denied the gassings. No one claimed that each
and every member of the SS in Auschwitz participated in them,
of course.

# Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls
# right on your head.

We were told, in 1990, that in "a year, or at most two", the
"Holocaust story will collapse". So far, all that happened
since is that the same bunch of crazed Nazis continued to
make fools of themselves. I would say that, by what's posted
on the net, "revisionists" have only became more ridiculous,
and more openly pro-Nazi and antisemitic, during those 6 years.
Also, they have failed to recruit anyone with any historical
qualifications and/or intellectual standing whatsoever, during
that period.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 14:59:04 PDT 1996
Article: 72710 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
Message-ID: 
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
  
## No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
## and it's certainly not lighter than air.

# Wrong again, Strohkopf.

No, I'm not wrong. Zyklon-B is not gas; it's a carrier,
soaked with HCN (hydrogen cyanide). 

It's most definitely heavier than air.

But, why would a "revisionist scholar" like you know this?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 22:50:51 PDT 1996
Article: 72767 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

# You have it folk. He's supposed to talk about 'krema 4
# and 5' ?? 1,5 km Sout-West of Birkenau????

Yes - relative to the SS HQ of Birkenau.

# and he confused a small wood with a couple of trees???

"A couple of trees"? Look at photos, for God's sake.

## They [Holocaust deniers] are left with nothing but the claim
## that everyone who was in the camps - Jew, Pole, German, Soviet,
## Gypsy - is a liar, and only they know the truth.

# There is inmates who claimed that the gas chambers were a myth.

Name one person from Birkenau, or Treblinka, or Sobibor, or
Chelmno, or Maidanek, or Belzec, who said that. Either an SS-men
or an inmate.

# I remember that I saw an article a while ago about an ex-inmate
# living in Australia.

He has one, folks. Out of how many? And he cannot tell us his
name, of course.

# There is also another case that I'm aware, and A. Baron mentionned
# this feature a day.

Try to be coherent. And tell us his name. Don't bring us the
Berg/Ginzburg character, who was never in the camps.

Funny people, these "revisionists". They were never in those camps,
yet they claim to know exactly what happened in them. Of course,
everyone who was in them tells the opposite of what the "revisionists"
say, but why should that little detail bother them?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 22:50:51 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## Since we're talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that
## he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That's murder
## just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp,
## and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty,
## it's murder.

# Yep-you are right.  The problem here is that there wasn't any

Of course there was. Look at the photos of the SS-women. Each
one seems to weigh 200 pounds. There were 800 tons of food
in the Army barracks nearby. Even Kramer didn't deny it; he
said the Army didn't give him any food for the inmates.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.

# and 80% of the people had typhus.

Because they were starved and mistreated.

We've been through this before. No "revisionist" can explain
why, for instance, the death rate among Allied POW's for the
ENTIRE war was about 3 percent, while in the "work camps" it
was as high as 10 percent per MONTH in the second half of
1942, and so high at the war's end.

No "revisionist" can explain why the local population, and the
SS, and the German Army, didn't starve, while the inmates
died like flies.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

buchenwald04.jpg:
German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
well-dressed and well-fed they are.

You can dance on the graves and offer your lame-brained excuses
for this mass murder, but you will not convince any rational
person - only other Nazi admirers and apologists.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct  8 22:50:52 PDT 1996
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# First, from the Ministry of Agriculture Fisheries and Food, who
# transferred me to their Animal Health Disease Control Department.

Thanks for posting this information. Can you post their address, so
I can write them?

# The deaths were as follows:
#
# Cattle   214,900
# Sheep   108,835
# Pigs    118526
# Goats          57
#
# All the animals were slaughtered and incinerated on the
# farms where they were found and the partially burned remains
# were buried in enormous pits - again, at the same farms.

How much time did it take to incinerate the dead animals?

Also, can you make any comment on:

1) The Jahrling letter to Kammler, and other sources, on the
   cremation power of the Auschwitz-Birkenau furnaces?

2) How many corpses do you suggest could be cremated in these
   furnaces? They had 52 large cremation furnaces. Assuming,
   say, that each could burn 15 corpses a day - and this is
   most obviously a serious underestimate - we have, per year,
   15*52*360 = 280,800 corpses.

   Can you offer any rational explanation as to why a "work
   camp", built to hold a few tens-of-thousands of inmates,
   needed this astounding cremation power?

3) Re disposing of corpses by burning them on pyres: this was
   done in Dresden, after the mass murder of German civilians
   in that city by British bombers. I have posted a photo, which
   shows a huge pyre of corpses being burned. Are you suggesting
   this worked only in Dresden, and that it would not have worked
   for burning victims in the death camps and in the sites of the
   "Einsatzgruppen" massacres?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 00:09:49 PDT 1996
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Those interested in studying real photos from WW2, may
look in the Nizkor web pages, among them

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images

On the other hand, those interested in "revisionist" photos,
can look at the publications offered by "leading revisionist",
Ernst Zundel. One of them allegedly shows a photo taken inside
a "German UFO control bunker". I am *not* joking.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:47 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST?
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Chris DeNeve  writes:

# Why should I believe the holocaust really happened.  I have
# seen no conclusive evidence.  Just some old guy came to my
# school and said that the fact he had numbers tatooed on his
# hand was proof.

Who can face such an intellect? Who can dare and argue with such
informative, sharp reasoning?

But why stop with the Holocaust?

 "Why should I believe WW2 really happened.  I have
  seen no conclusive evidence.  Just some old guy came to my
  school and told us all kinds of stories about how he fought
  the Nazis. This is not proof".

The future is yours, Chris. The possibilities are unlimited.
Go for it.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:47 PDT 1996
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

# They are on the opposite part of the camp. Stop your
#  irrelevant questions,

Sorry, pal. This is not Gestapo HQ here, and I'll post as
many questions as I want.

# It is true that those cremas (IV  and V) appear on the west
# part of the camp, but not the south, rather in the center:

The gas chambers are to the South-West of the SS HQ and barracks.

# There's just few trees near this crema, and back, dozens of
# meters away we can see trees, but what we don't see in the photo

Oh yes we do. Very, very clearly.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Krema4.jpg

I see a great many trees there. Maybe you should have your
eyes examined.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 08:06:48 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST?
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# According to one of the standard staries, his tatttoo is
# evidence that there was no gassing.  His very existance, if he
# claims he is jewish, means the intent to exterminate Jews was
# either not there or missed the obvious.

What a leap of logic. Since the Nazis didn't have enough time
to kill *all* the Jews, this means they never meant to kill
Jews in the first place?

You have claimed that the IDF tried to kill every sailor on
the Liberty. Yet, the large majority of the sailors were not
killed. You have just contradicted yourself.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 08:58:29 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## Yes; as a matter of fact, about 20 percent of Israel's
## citizens are not Jews, but Moslems, Christians, and Druze
## (there are some other much smaller minorities, such as
## Karaites, Samaritans, and Bahais).

# They used to be 80%.

The Native Americans used to be 100% in North-America.

The fact that their percentage is now quite lower does not
mean that all were murdered or deported. What I'm saying
is, many Europeans came to North America, and many Jews
came to Israel.

However, it's true: Arabs fled and Arabs were deported from
Palestine, during the 1948 war. Had the Arab states not
declared and started a war against Israel - with the declared
intent of annihilating it - this would not have happened.

This does not mean that Israel is not partially guilty for
what happened. BTW, more Jews fled and/or were deported from
Arab countries than Arabs who fled and/or were deported
>from  Israel.

# What happened?  Are they really all in refugee camps?

Most are in Jordan as far as I know, and in Lebanon.

## Most don't serve in the army, although many Druze and Bedouins do.

# They are not permitted to so as you know.

There are Druze and Bedouins who serve in the military. Don't
know the exact number.

A few Druze who were serving in the military were killed in the
recent clashes with the Palestinian Police.

Maybe you want to make a trip, go to their families, and tell
them that their dead relatives did not really serve in the
military... you stupid drunkard.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 13:25:31 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# No, Dan, because they were ILL and typhus is highly contagious.

Sigh. I can't decide if you're just desperate, or so stupid
so as to really believe your lame attempts at excusing Nazi
barbarism.

The question, again, is why did they suffer from typhus? Why
didn't anyone give them food or water? Why were 40,000 of
them crammed like animals into a tiny place, in which they
died like flies?

Why didn't all this happen to Allied POW's?

Why didn't all this happen to the members of the SS?

Why didn't all this happen to the German population nearby?

You crackpots suggest that this mass death in the camps took
place at the war's end, because of the collapse of the German
infrastructure. However:

1) Why was the death rate in the "work camps" as high as 10
   percent a month (!!) as early as 1942?

2) If the infrastructure collapsed, one would expect deaths
   from starvation, thirst, typhus etc to occur in an EVEN
   fashion. But the death rate among the inmates was so much
   higher than for everybody else. How come?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 13:25:32 PDT 1996
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Death rate in the "work camps", long before the end of the war
(source: letter from Pohl to Himmler, "Trials Of War Criminals"
(green) series, Vol. V, p. 379.

In July 1942, the death rate was 8.5 percent.
In August 1942, the death rate was 10.6 percent.
In September 1942, the death rate was 10.2 percent.

Remember, that's about 10 percent dying *every month*.

Why did this happen? I guess our "revisionist scholars"
will claim all the water pumps in these camps broke down?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct  9 20:00:39 PDT 1996
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

[About my article]

# His comments about stuffing many bodies into an oven at
# once was so ridiculous

What is ridiculous about them? Why not put more than one
corpse in a furnace, if the only goal is to burn them as
fast as possible? More so, if there are many children and
infants among the victims?

# that there is no need to comment on it,

Why don't you try nonetheless?

You think you know more about the furnaces than the people
who designed, built, and ran them? See their estimates, in
documents written during the war. I gave you a reference.

# Later, Mr Keren talked about ash at over twenty feet below
# the ground at Treblinka. I said that if the hole was 20 feet
# deep and contained, say, 10 feet of ash and bone

Where have you dug the 10 feet figure from? The area of the
extermination complex was approx. 200 x 250 meters. A layer of
ash and bones, over that area, 10 feet high (3 meters), would
occupy a volume of 3*250*200 = 150,000 cubic meters. That
would be about 150,000 tons of human remains (assuming
the same density as water), or about 214 kilograms of
remains per person... an overestimate by a factor of
about 100.

You really don't seem to be capable of any rational thought.
Do you also believe, like other "leading revisionists", that
the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich using "secret
UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth via a "hole in the
South-Pole"?

Wake up, old chap.

# We then supplied Palestine to the Jews, at further enormous cost
# to ourselves.

Do wake up, old chap. The great empire is gone. Kaput. You folks
don't rule the world anymore.

You "supplied Palestine to the Jews"? Who gave you Palestine in
the first place? Can you believe the arrogance of this maniac?

Soon, old Fergus here will be demanding that the US pay him for
giving America to the Americans.

# His last bit of foolishness was to say:

## Heck, if it were not for the US, you'd probably be singing the
## "Horst Wessel" every morning. Or maybe you're singing it nonetheless?

The truth hurts, doesn't it? Sorry if I hit a nerve.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 01:08:01 PDT 1996
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Kneeland  writes:

# So, I checked out the air-photo site and it is pretty good. What
# do you holocaust promoters give as a rebuttal to those aerial
# photos?

Be more specific. Name the photos you think make a point. There
are, BTW, plenty of photos taken in the camps, not from the air.
Some are in the following web pages:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

# What about the Jewish truthseeker's (Cole's) questions?

What questions? All I know about Cole is that he's a 25-year-old
highschool dropout, who parrots "revisionist" crapola. Again, be
more specific.

# Why is there more zyklon B contamination in offices than
# in 'gas chambers'?

There is no Zyklon-B contamination, but residues of HCN. In most
barracks, there are no such residues. What offices are you talking
about? Also, why are there cyanide traces in each and every
homicidal gas chamber? What about the fact that delousing takes
much more time than homicidal gassing, and therefore results
in more traces? You didn't know that, right?

# One last note: I've read the Revisionist material and compared it
# to the Nizkorite et al. material. The Holocaust lobby and its
# minions are the real and true-blooded haters: NOT Zundel and his
# fellow Revisionists.

 "May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your apart.  May
  you know death from drowning".

Matt Giwer, "leading revisionist" on the net, to me. Just one
example.

# NIzkor drips with Talmudic venom

Define "Talmudic venom", and give an example of Nizkor using it.

Don't just parrot your fuehrers like a silly little Goebbels wannabe.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 01:08:01 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# In order to become a citizen, you must show a genetic
# background, namely a Jewish mother.

Another outright lie from Moran. As noted, about 20 percent
of Israel's citizens are not Jewish.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:31 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Kube Reports His Work: 10 Weeks, 55,000 Murders
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Report from Kube, General Commissioner of White Ruthenia,
to Gauleiter Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Ostland,
31 July 1942
[Quoted from "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg
 Military Tribunals", Vol. IV, pages 191-193]
 ---------------------------------------------------------

During detailed consultations with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner 
and the extremely capable Chief of the SD, 
SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we found that we had 
liquidated approximately 55,000 Jews in White Ruthenia during 
the past 10 weeks. In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely 
exterminated without endangering the allocation of labor in any way. 
In the prevailing Polish Lida area, 16,000 Jews, in Slonim 8,000
Jews, etc., were liquidated. 

[...]

In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on 28 and
29 July, 6,500 of whom were Russian Jews - mainly old people, women,
and children - the remainder consisted of Jews unfit for work, most 
of whom had been sent to Minsk from Vienna, Brno, Bremen, and Berlin
in November of the previous year at the Fuehrer's orders.





From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:32 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific'
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SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz: 
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
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I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the
behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had
a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that
day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely
shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September 
1942: "The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was
right when he said to me today that this is the 'anus mundi', the
anal orifice of the world". I used this image because I could not
imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.


From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:32 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes

## I am asking our "revisionist scholars" yet again: if there was
## nothing criminal taking place in the Birkenau crematoriums, why
## didn't the SS take the Red Cross visitors into them?

# More to the point Dan, why were people allowed to work OUTSIDE
# the camp if it was so obviously an extermination camp?

Evasion.

Please answer my question, if you can.

If there was nothing criminal going on inside the Birkenau
kremas, the SS would obviously have taken the Red Cross and
other visitors into them, to prove this.

There is no rational explanation the "revisionists" can offer
for the fact that visitors were not allowed in the kremas.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:33 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: conundrum
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# When I find out who is making the harrassing phone calls,

Were you not a proven pathological liar, I would have considered
the possibility that you're telling the truth. But frankly, I
don't believe anyone is making such calls.

# I will make him wish he were dead even to the point of making him 
# dead.  But that would be an accident, a long lived blind cripple
# is my true objective.

How about forcing him to read through your web page? That's even
worse. Folks, anyone remember that scene in "Clockwork Orange" when
they tie the guy to a chair, force his eyes open, and show him
all those films? Perhaps old Matty has such a chair in front of
his PC... the horror!! :-)

# http://www.webcom.com/ezundel

You admire and support a madman who claims the Nazi leadership
fled the collapsing Reich and flew into the inner earth, via
a hole in the South-Pole, using "secret UFO's". Do you think
this may result in people doubting other claims you make?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:34 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: What's on a Giwer's Mind?
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You know - Matt Giwer is really an odd person. As Kishon writes
in one of his best satires, "this boy is not just stupid - he's
REALLY strange".

See the following exchange.

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 29 06:16:40 EDT 1996
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keren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

# You seem to agree that the Wannsee Protocol states that
# the Jews "fit for work" will be killed?

Agreed.  It has nothing to do with 12 million.  Next?



So what is going on here? What is Giwer claiming? He agrees that
the Nazis planned, as the Wannsee Protocol states, to use the Jews
"fit for work" for slave labor, while separating them by sex,
in conditions in which the large majority will die. The Protocol
goes on to state that the "remnant" which will survive, will be
killed, in order to prevent a "germ cell of a new Jewish development".

So what is Giwer saying? That they planned to kill all the
Jews fit for work, and leave the rest alone? Why? And what about
the part about killing those who survived, in order to prevent
a "germ cell of a new Jewish development"?

Can anyone formulate a blueprint for genocide in more unequivocal
terms? I don't think so.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 12:41:06 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Evil Palestinians
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# The end tally was about 1100 kids dead.

No, that was the total number of Palestinians killed in the
"Intifada" by Israeli forces. About 400 Israelis were also
killed. A further 1,000 Palestinians were killed by other
Palestinians (being suspected of cooperating with Israel).

You can trust a "revisionist" to lie every time, no matter
what he's writing about. If you ask Tom "Streicher" Moran
"what's the time, pal?", he'll lie simply out of habit.


-Danny Keren.

 ---
Tommy Moran pulls his Streicher schtick:



 From tm@pacificnet.net 
 Article: 81079 of alt.revisionism
 
        Keep an eye out for these Hebrew characteristics.
Hebrews have a problem with controlling their body language. 
They either jam their hands deep into their pockets or fold their 
arms in front of them in a self hugging stance, to keep their
hands from flailing about. They also shuffle in place.
        Ah yes the huggems, the Larry King syndrome.







From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 13:58:43 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

# ANSWER TO  on the quotes from
# Ilya Ehrenburg:
# We are all used to it by now: -  beyond  the politically correct
# minority  - everybody else is obliged to provide "authentic proof"

Do you have it or not?

# So would you need  proof on the hundreds of thousands of raped women
# by your socalled "liberators" during World War II. also?

Do you have any proof whatsoever for this? According to "revisionist"
standards, you should provide the physical evidence. Do you have it?

# Would you need proof for the looting and bloody murder they committed
# against innocent civilians?

Same here. Show us the physical evidence.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 18:08:14 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

# Do you contest that few meters away from this crema,
# approximativelly from the place where the photographer
# took this picture, there was dozens of barracks according
# to Birkenau map? YES or NO?

"Few meters"? How do you define "few"?

What does that have to do with the obvious fact that there
were many trees near that Krema - as obvious to anyone who
bothers to look at the photo - which reinforces Dr. Muench's
testimony?

Be a little more careful with your posts. Don't forget your
blatant lie about Richard Baer. But, oh, sorry, you didn't
lie, you just copied what other "revisionist" liars claimed.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 18:08:14 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# I already posted something concerning Ehlert's comments and
# testimony a while back.

Yes. You speculated that she lied when she said Kramer told
her, regarding the Belsen inmates, "let them die, why should
you care".

Any proof that she lied? Of course not.

You seem to have a serious crush on Kramer. You obviously believe
he's a reliable witness. Right?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 23:06:32 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row'
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Willi Mentz testifies about his days in Treblinka
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 245-247]
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When I came to Treblinka the camp commandant was a doctor named Dr. Eberl.
He was very ambitious. It was said that he ordered more transports
than could be "processed" in the camp. That meant that trains had to
wait outside the camp because the occupants of the previous transport
had not yet all been killed. At the time it was very hot and as a
result of the long wait inside the transport trains in the intense
heat many people died. At the time whole mountains of bodies lay on
the platform. The Hauptsturmfuehrer Christian Wirth came to Treblinka
and kicked up a terrific row. And then one day Dr.  Eberl was no
longer there...

For about two months I worked in the upper section of the camp and
then after Eberl had gone everything in the camp was reorganized. The
two parts of the camp were separated by barbed wire fences. Pine
branches were used so that you could not see through the fences. The
same thing was done along the route from the "transfer" area to the
gas chambers...

Finally, new and larger gas chambers were built. I think that there
were now five or six larger gas chambers. I cannot say exactly how
many people these large gas chambers held. If the small gas chambers
could hold 80-100 people, the large ones could probably hold twice
that number...

Following the arrival of a transport, six to eight cars would be
shunted into the camp, coming to a halt at the platform there. The
commandant, his deputy Franz, Kuettner and Stadie or Maetzig would be
here waiting as the transport came in. Further SS members were also
present to supervise the unloading: for example, Genz and Belitz had
to make absolutely sure that there was no one left in the car after
the occupants had been ordered to get out.

When the Jews had got off, Stadie or Maetzig would have a short word
with them.  They were told something to the effect that they were a
resettlement transport, that they would be given a bath and that they
would receive new clothes. They were also instructed to maintain quiet
and discipline. They would continue their journey the following day.

Then the transports were taken off to the so-called "transfer" area.
The women had to undress in huts and the men out in the open. The
women were than led through a passageway, known as the "tube", to the
gas chambers. On the way they had to pass a hut where they had to hand
in their jewellery and valuables..


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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Major 'Revisionist' Effort
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There's currently a major "revisionist" effort taking place,
triggered by one of my articles (my two secret admirers must
be proud!).

The effort is concentrated on finding someone who was in the
death camps, who actually supports the "revisionist" version
of what took place in them.

Our "revisionist scholars" must be realizing that it's kinda
stupid of them to claim something which contradicts what
everyone who was in the death camps said.

They can't find anyone who was in Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor,
Chelmno, and the area of the crematoriums in Birkenau, who
supports their version. ONE. Out of so many people, they can't
find ONE who does not say the exact opposite of what they're
saying.

So far, they have suggested:

1) "Someone who was in Birkenau" (no name given, no details,
   nothing).

2) Thies Cristophersen (name given before by "revisionists").
   However this guy was far from Birkenau.

3) Rassinier - but he is irrelevant, as he was not in one
   of the major death camps, but at Buchenwald and Dora.

4) Burg/Berg/Ginzburg (the name keeps changing). This is someone
   who they claim was a Jew. However, he is also not relevant
   here, as he was not in the camps during the war.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:08 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: A (very) rare display of candour from Matt
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Matt Giwer writes:

# Read the information holohuggers fear
# http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg

Web site of Hitler admirer, who wrote (on GEnie) that 
"Hitler was a great man", and "the best thing that could 
have happened to Germany"

# http://www.webcom.com/~zundel

Web site of an insane person, who believes that the Nazi
leadership fled the Reich using "secret UFO's", and are
now hiding in the inner earth, which they entered via a
"hole in the South-Pole". He even claims to have met some
of the scientists who built the "UFO's"...

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers

Contains both text and images from Zundel's publications
about these "UFO's".

Quoted from one of these publications (see saucers.text):

 "During the course of our research, we have discovered some 
of the original German flying saucer scientists who are still 
alive! These space pioneers are, of course, old men now in 
their 70s and 80s. Our interviews with them will be 
incorporated into our regular lecture program as well as into 
our future books".
 
This is *not* a joke; these are the opinions of "leading
Holocaust revisionist", Ernst Zundel, whose web page
Matt Giwer considers to be an authority on the history
of WW2. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:09 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Israeli Arabs
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Walt Hingerty  writes:

# I dont have an agenda. But I am curious about something.
# What is the legal status of Palestinians who are born
# within the borders of Israel.
#
# Are they considered Israeli citizens?

Yes; as a matter of fact, about 20 percent of Israel's
citizens are not Jews, but Moslems, Christians, and Druze
(there are some other much smaller minorities, such as
Karaites, Samaritans, and Bahais).

# Are they allowed to vote

Of course. There are also non-Jews in the Israeli Parliament
("Knesset"). I don't know the number, though. If you post to
talk.politics.mideast and/or soc.culture.israel, someone will
probably tell you how many.

# or serve in the military?

Most don't serve in the army, although many Druze and Bedouins do.

# I have heard that only persons of the Hebrew faith have full civil
# rights in Israel. Is this so?

No.

Posted/e-mailed.


-Danny Keren.





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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## 2) How many corpses do you suggest could be cremated in these
##  furnaces? They had 52 large cremation furnaces. Assuming,
##  say, that each could burn 15 corpses a day - and this is
##  most obviously a serious underestimate - we have, per year,
##  15*52*360 = 280,800 corpses.

# Why would anyone assume a number than can not be duplicated today?

Of course it can be duplicated today. Look at the cremation web
site. High capacity furnaces burn a corpse in less than an hour.
And continuous cremation is faster, as the furnace is already
hot. Look it up.

Not to mention that they are talking about legal cremation,
in which one cannot put more than a single corpse in one
muffle, and care has to be taken to collect the ashes of
each corpse. And there are hardly any children and infants
present.

## Can you offer any rational explanation as to why a "work
## camp", built to hold a few tens-of-thousands of inmates,
## needed this astounding cremation power?

# Can you explain why you have a toilet that has the capacity
# to handle at least fifty people?  A stove that can feed at least
# 100 people a day?  A garbage disposal that can process a half ton
# of waste a day?

What an idiotic analogy. I don't have two garbage disposal systems
in one sink. I don't have 30 stoves in my kitchen.

Your idiotic excuses do not hide the fact that the camp was
supplied with far more cremation power than what a work camp
with a few tens-of-thousands of inmates would have needed. By
"far more", I mean a factor of about 20.

# The problem of course is that there are no signs of such mass
# burnings on any of the aerial photos of any of the places where
# it was supposed to have happened.

Plenty of ashes in Treblinka, though...

How can an aerial photo taken months after the corpses were
burned, show anything? You want to post these photos, BTW?

# But the, the little jew traitor, knows that.

"little"? A short time ago, it was "fat". Can you make up
your mind?


-Danny Keren.



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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images

ohrdruf-01.jpg
Burned corpses of inmates.

ohrdruf-02.jpg:
Murdered inmates.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:11 PDT 1996
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.


-Danny Keren.



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Testimony of SS-doctor, Obersturmfuherer Fritz Klein (p. 717):
------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst at Belsen I made several complaints to Kommandant Kramer
about the conditions there. I was told that I was only a doctor
and that it was nothing to do with me. Three days before the
British came, when I took over the camp, I had a talk with
Kramer about the conditions. I told Kramer that the corpses
should be removed, and that water should be supplied to 
prisoners as many were dying from thirst. Kramer said he did
not take orders from me.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:12 PDT 1996
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Yawn... "Jeffrey", can you at least remove the most obvious 
and stupid lies before posting this again?

# "I talked to hundreds of people who serviced and operated
# the crematoria," he continued, but the people who operated
# gas chambers were impossible to find "

Off the top of my head, here are some people who operated
the gas chambers, and who were found: Stark. Fuchs. Hoffman.
Burmeister. Findeisen. Bahr. Gnewuch. 

So, he "didn't find" them. Maybe he only looked for them
in his bedroom?

What a nitwit imbecile. And another nitwit imbecile keeps
posting this rubbish, like a robot, week after week after
week, even after it is clear how ridiculous it is.

Pathetic.

# Christie: When you visited Auschwitz in the fall of 1945, did
# you specifically look for gas chambers?
# Yes, said Burg, "although at that time gassings were not in
# fashion. Not yet. But I did look for them. I searched for them
# and I didn't find anything."

Odd. Everyone else found them. They are still there today. With
cyanide traces on their walls.

Maybe he looked for them only during the night?


-Danny Keren.



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Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who 
worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
should you care?".



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:14 PDT 1996
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Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner 
in Belsen, who was "employed" as corpse carrier there:

(p. 60-61)

We made our way along the central road towards the burial pit. Along
this road, stationed at intervals, were orderlies to see that the
flow of dead to the pits carried on smoothly; they were particulalry
numerous near the kitchen and the resevoir water. One of the most
cruel things in this particular work was the fact that we passed
this water regularly on every trip, and although we were dying
of thirst we were not allowed to touch it or get anywhere near.

[...]

I would like you to picture what this endless chain of dead going
to the pits must have looked like for about five days from sunrise
to sunset. How many were buried I have no idea. It must have been
vast numbers - certainly five figures.

You didn't dare to fall out, but many collapsed on the way - just
lay dead by the roadside, or died. They in turn were lifted by a
team of four and taken to the pits. People died like flies on the
way to these pits. They did not have the necessary energy to drag
even those very light bodies. A man who faltered was usually hit
on the head.

(p. 62)

I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all. Sometimes
there was a hidden reason which we learned of only after many
dozen had been killed; for example, at the north entrance of
the mortuary yard many people had been killed before we realized
that the particular guard in charge of that gateway wanted to
see people go through at the double dragging the dead body
behind. He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
hundreds were shot per day.




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 In the course of your career have you ever seen anything
like this before? -- I have been a doctor for 30 years and
have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen 
anything to touch it.

 Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all
to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that
camp? -- Absolutely none.



Brigadier Glyn Hughes testifying. Quoted from "The Belsen
Trial", p. 35.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:15 PDT 1996
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Letter from SS-Brigadefuehrer Frank to chief of administration of 
Auschwitz, concerning the utilization and distribution of "evacuated" 
Jews, 26 September 1942
[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. XIII, p. 256-258]
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e) Women's clothing and women underwear including footwear, children's
clothing and children's underwear including footwear have to be handed 
over to the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle against payment...
 
f) Featherbeads, quilts, woolen blankets, cloth for suits, shawls,
umbrellas, walking sticks, thermos flasks, earflaps, baby carriages,
combs, handbags, leather belts, shopping baskets, tobacco pipes,
sun glasses, mirrors, table knives, forks and spoons, knapsacks, and
suitcases made from leather or artificial material are to be delivered
to the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle. The question of payment will be
decided later...
 
h) Spectacles and eyeglasses of every kind are to be handed in to
the medical office for utilization. (Spectacles with golden frames
have to be handed in without glasses together with the rare metals).
 
 


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Letter from prison warden Guenther to the general commissar of white
Ruthenia, Minsk, 31 May 1943
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
Off., 1946, Vol. VIII, p. 208]
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Since that time all German and Russian Jews who were turned to us,
had their golden bridgework, crowns and fillings pulled or broken
out. This happens 1 to 2 hours before the respective action.
 
Since April 13 1943, 516 German and Russian Jews have been finished
off. On the basis of a definitive investigation, gold was taken
only in two actions, on 14 April 1943 from 172, and on 27 April
1943 from 164 Jews. About 50% of the Jews had gold teeth, bridgework
or fillings. Hauptscharfuehrer Ruebe of the security police was always 
personally present and he took the gold along too.
 


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:16 PDT 1996
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Jeffrey  writes:

# ERNST ZUNDEL        http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english

Jeffrey, do these "IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS" have anything to
do with the following?

# http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english

Web site of an insane person, who believes that the Nazi
leadership fled the Reich using "secret UFO's", and are
now hiding in the inner earth, which they entered via a
"hole in the South-Pole". He even claims to have met some
of the scientists who built the "UFO's"...

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers

Contains both text and images from Zundel's publications
about these "UFO's".

Quoted from one of these publications (see saucers.text):

 "During the course of our research, we have discovered some 
of the original German flying saucer scientists who are still 
alive! These space pioneers are, of course, old men now in 
their 70s and 80s. Our interviews with them will be 
incorporated into our regular lecture program as well as into 
our future books".
 
This is *not* a joke; these are the opinions of "leading
Holocaust revisionist", Ernst Zundel, whose web page
"Jeffrey" considers to be an authority on the history
of WW2. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:17 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS FOUND
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There are indeed important documents about the Holocaust which
were found:

Letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar Lohse, October 25, 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 70]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
With regard to my letter of 18 October 1941, please be informed that
Oberdiensleiter [Chief Executive Officer] Brack from the Fuehrer's
Chancellory has stated his readiness to assist in the construction of
the necessary accommodations and gassing apparatuses, so they must
first be constructed. Brack's view is that, since construction of the
apparatuses within the Reich would present far greater difficulties
than on-site production, the most expedient course of action is to
send his people directly to Riga, in particular his chemist Dr.
Kallmeyer, who will take the necessary steps from there.
Oberdiensleiter Brack further points out that the procedure in
question is not without its hazards, and that therefore special safety
precautions are needed. Under these circumstances, I ask you to
contact Oberdiensleiter Brack in the Fuehrer's Chancellory through
your higher SS and Police leader. Please request from him the
dispatching of the chemist Dr. Kallmeyer and any further assistants
that are needed. I might further point out that Sturmbannfuehrer
Eichmann, the adviser on Jewish affairs in the Reich main security
office, is in complete accord with this procedure. According to the
information received here from Sturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, camps for
Jews will be set up in Riga and Minsk, where Jews from the Altreich
[Germany proper] might also be sent. Jews are currently being
evacuated from the Altreich to Lodz and other camps, from which those
fit for work will be transferred to work forces in the east. Given the
present situation, Jews who are not fit for work can be eliminated
without qualms through use of the Brack device. Incidents such as
those that took place during the shootings of Jews in Vilna, according
to a report I have on my desk, can hardly be sanctioned, keeping in
mind that the executions were undertaken openly, and the new
procedures assure that such incidents will no longer be possible. Jews
fit for work, on the other hand, will be transported to work forces in
the east. That the men and women in this latter group must be kept
apart from each other goes without saying. Please keep me informed as
to any further measures you take.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:18 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: COKE SUPPLIED TO AUSCHWITZ DISPROVES HOLOCAUST LIE
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Jeffrey  writes:

# Even if we reduce the amount of fuel needed per cadaver
# to thirty-five kilo-grammes,

A totally absurd figure, of course, especially when continuous
cremation is applied.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
Coke_Consumption.jpg

Is a photo of a document estimating the amount of coke required
for the crematoriums, authored during the war by member of the
SS. Compare it to "Jeffrey's" figure.

Also, many corpses were burned in the open, using wood, and not
coke. See

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Wood.jpg

Shows large amounts of wood next to the ruins of a Birkenau
crematorium, destroyed by the SS soon before they left the camp.


-Danny Keren.



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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:19 PDT 1996
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There are indeed important documents about the Holocaust which
were found:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

report-51.jpg
Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during 4 
months in 1942.

eg-map.jpg
Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied 
Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action
unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. Includes figures of
Jews murdered by the Einsatzgruppen.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:20 PDT 1996
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

buchenwald02.jpg:
Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.

shrunken.jpg: 
The shrunken head of an inmate.

buchenwald04.jpg: 
German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops 
have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how 
well-dressed and well-fed they are.


-Danny Keren.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# As you know, the time to cremate is a function of body weight.

Which is why burning the corpses of children and infants takes
much less time, as was in Birkenau. It seems "revisionists"
finally accept this fact.

When you say "function", what exactly do you mean? Linear
function? 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 12:14:09 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: CREMATORY EXPERT SAYS HOLOCAUST FIGURES LUDICROUS
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Yet again, "Jeffrey" posts the opinion of a crackpot, who stated
that continuous cremation would be impossible, as (so the man
said), corpses may ignite like a napalm bomb when inserted into
a hot furnace, and "burn the building down".

Never mind that the cremation web site, no less, explicitly
says that continuous cremation saves 50 percent of the time
needed to cremate a corpse, as the furnace is already hot.

See also:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

That's another "IMPORTANT DOCUMENT", Jeffrey.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 12:14:09 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: RAVE REVIEWS FOR SNIVELING LIAR
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"Jeffrey", quoting Bradley Smith:

Treblinka survivor Abraham Bomba is talking about the 
early gas chambers in the camp:

# Bomba: It was not a big room, around twelve feet by
# twelve feet.

[...]

And poor old Smith goes on to write later:

# You might think that Claude Lanzmann is about to express
# some doubt about how Bomba is blocking out this scene for
# him. Sixty to seventy naked women in the 12-square-foot room.

Of course, it's 144 = 12*12, not 12. But why should a "leading
revisionist scholar" know third-grade arithmetic?

Based on this, and on e-mail correspondence I had with Smith,
I have come to the conclusion that he simply does not understand
the concept of area, and cannot calculate the area of a square.

Odd. Unlike the other "major" CODOH figure, David Cole, Smith
did graduate from highschool, did he not?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 12:14:10 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS FOUND
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There are indeed important documents about the Holocaust which
were found:

Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by
putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and
two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm
houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only
the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death
van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the
van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even
camouflaged...

Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men
were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should
not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would
escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following
to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the
application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention
of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological
injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have
for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men
complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading.
Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are
afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to
flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be
issued accordingly.

The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to
come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator
to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer
death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My
directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers
death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted
faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer
noticed.




-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 16:51:46 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: DIESEL GAS CHAMBERS: A MYTH WITHIN A MYTH [2/2]
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Yet again, the old "revisionist" claim that "diesel exhaust cannot be
used to efficiently kill people", is presented; never mind how many
times it is proven false. The "Jeffrey" robot just doesn't care.

"The Significance of Diesel-Exhaust-Gas Analysis", by J.C. Holtz and
M.A. Elliot, Transactions of the ASME, Vol. 63, 1941, p. 97-105,
reports that in a series of experiments, when a diesel engine was run
rich (that is, with a high fuel-to-air ratio), up to 6 percent CO was
present in the exhaust; this is way beyond the lethal concentration,
which is 0.4 percent (see graph on page 98, table on page 99).

In high fuel-air ratios, there is practically no oxygen in 
the exhaust; in lower ratios (say, 0.056) there's only 3.4 
percent of oxygen in the exhaust. 

See also "The Toxicity of Fumes from a Diesel Engine Under Four
Different Running Conditions", by Pattle et al., British Journal of
Industrial Medicine, 1957, Vol 14, p.  47-55.  These researchers ran a
few experiments in which various animals were exposed to diesel fumes,
and studied the results.

In the experiments, the exhaust of a small diesel engine (568 cc, 6
BHP) was connected to a chamber 10 cubic meters (340 cubic feet) in
volume, and the animals were put inside it.  In all cases, the
animals died.  Death was swifter when the intake of air to the engine
was restricted, as this causes a large increase in the amount of
carbon monoxide (CO) that is emitted. It is very easy to restrict the 
air intake; the British researchers did so by partially covering the 
air intake opening with a piece of metal.

The diesel engines used in Treblinka were much larger - they
belonged to captured Soviet T-34 tanks.  These tanks weighed 26-31
tons (depending on the model) and had a 500 BHP engine (compared to a
mere 6 BHP in the British experiments).


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 21:07:48 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Cremation Furnaces for 'Bath Installations'?
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The document in Prufer1.jpg and Prufer2.jpg, web page
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/p/prufer.kurt/images/ ,
is interesting. It discusses (in item 2) the construction of
cremation furnaces at the "'bath installations for
special operations'" (sonderaktionen), in Birkenau.

Why do bath installations require cremation furnaces? Any
"revisionist" out there willing to explain this?

Two remarks:

1) The homicidal gas chambers were indeed disguised as
   bathing installations (the shower-heads are even mentioned
   in the inventory list, see
   http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Invntry.jpg).

2) "Special operations" (sonderaktions) are a common codeword
   for murder; see, for instance, testimonies of the SS-men,
   Dr. Kremer's diary, and the following document:

 Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of
concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14
November 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 99]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending
the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be
specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general,
routine reason should be given.




-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:46 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: AN(ne) F(r)A(n)KE
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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

[To Jeffrey  ]

# Don't be coy.  Speak plainly.  Are you still trying to
# insinuate that the diary was forged?  Perhaps you should
# talk to Al Baron about that.
#
# Are you picking on little dead girls after all?

Probably, that's how "Jeffrey" gets his kicks. Odd fellow.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:47 PDT 1996
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

# This is just a minor point: Muench came in Birkenau only in
# september 1943, so even if Keren's explanation would make
# sense, let say for someone who's drunk, there's few chances
# that krema 4 was active during Muench presence in Auschwitz.

I take it that this is the new "revisionist breakthrough"?
That everyone who was in the camps was drunk, that's why
they're all "lying"?

Surely, you're not claiming that both IV and V were out for
the summer of 1944? Also, you're making a mistake here; it's
true that the furnaces in one of them broke down, however
its gas chambers were still used, and the corpses burned
in the open, behind the Krema.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Pit.jpg


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:47 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

kurtzi the untermensch is back, and he's angry as ever.

# Revisionists do not "demand to see 6 million corpses"

Some do.

# (what a lying Jew) but simply some straightforward physical
# evidence that there was a plan to exterminate Jews by gas
# chambers, which the exterminationists so far have failed to
# produced.

It was produced, kurtzi.

# The exterminationsts never produced a single gas chamber,

An outright lie, kurtzi, as you must know by now. The gas
chambers in some of the camps are still there: Auschwitz,
Maidanek, Natzweiler...

# or an order by Nazis to exterminate Jews by gassing,

kurtzi, you're a disgrace to your one-balled Fuherer, as
you know very well that such orders were produced; see for
instance the letter from Wetzel to Lohse often posted here.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-01.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
wetzel-lohse-02.jpg

Translation in
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/wetzel.102541


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:48 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# We are stlll into the 80,000 (eighty thousand) people that
# were "burned or gassed to death in a single night."  Not
# 800 and not 8000 but 80,000 and all in a single night.

Your problem is that the witness never claimed that.

You are a liar, who posted distorted testimony. Distorted
intentionally in order to make the witness appear unreliable.

The witness who is misquoted here is Dr. Bendel. He testified
about Auschwitz, not Belsen (that's lie number 1 by Giwer
regarding his testimony). Also, he said that the 80,000
Jews of the Lodz Ghetto were murdered during 45 days, not
one night (see Pressac's book, p. 471). That's lie number
2 by Giwer regarding his testimony.

Face it: you're a liar, who posted testimony which does not
exist. There's no reason for anyone to believe anything
you claim.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:49 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Danny and his photo collection again.  Shrunken heads,
# artifacts made from diseased corpses,

They are there, like it or not. There's also documentary
evidence to this taking place in Buchenwald; I'll post
it soon.

# emaciated inmates suffering from disease

Dead inmates.

# Oh, I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened
# to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals
# from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder?

"Criminals"? You've flipped.

All those dead people - they were all "criminals"?

That's really low, even for a "revisionist".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:34 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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   For an excellent treatment of this subject, see "Denying the 
Holocaust: 
   The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory", by Deborah Lipstadt, 
published by the Free Press, ISBN 0-02-919235-8.

   In 1981, the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation submitted
   Anne Frank's handwritten diaries to the Dutch State Forensic Science
   Laboratory of the Ministry of Justice to determine their authenticity.
   The State Forensic Science Laboratory examined the materials used--
   the ink, paper, glue, etc.--and the handwriting and issued a report of
   some 270 pages.  "The report of the State Forensic Science Laboratory
   has convincingly demonstrated that both versions of the diary of Anne
   Frank were written by her in the years 1942 to 1944.  The allegations
   that the diary was the work of someone else (after the war or
   otherwise) are thus conclusively refuted."  Furthermore, that "despite
   corrections and omissions..._The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank_ [i.e., the
   published version of the diaries] does indeed contain `the essence' of
   Anne's writings, and that there are no grounds on which the term
   `forgery' can be applied to the work of the editors or publishers of
   the book." <1>

   1.  Anne Frank, _The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank:_The_Critical_Edition_,
       Prepared by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation,
       edited by David Barnouw and Gerrold Van Der Stroom, (New York,
       Doubleday, 1989) p. 166.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:35 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: SciFi Channel Sightings
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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

# You don't mean: Giwer's dickless but not diskless??? ;-)

Don't know about that, but one thing is sure - he's jobless.

Giwer claims he has an IQ of 163, yet he's been unemployed
(as he proudly states) since he was 46-years-old.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:35 PDT 1996
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
## Musuem that  4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.

# You stepped in it that time.  The inscription clearly
# stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz.

I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at
Pressac's book, and the text on the monument does not even
mention Jews.

IMHO, the old (and false) figure of "4 million victims,
including Jews" - while in reality it is about 1.5 million
victims, most of them Jews - can be attributed in part
to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add
a "Christian touch" to what was, first and foremost, a
Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish
Government does not pursue this line any more.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:36 PDT 1996
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Ooh goody!  I can't wait.  More debunking of that filthy
# piece of lying, Jewish excrement known as the "Holocaust."
# I can't wait until 1997.  Fun, fun!

Someone willing to help this person? He seems to be in
serious trouble. 


-Danny Keren.



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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# jblackmore already gave the Holocausters' silly claims
# about Kramer a thorough drubbing.

Not really, kurtzi. But there's even a bigger problem for
you here. You see, "rblackmore" relies heavily on his claim
that Kramer was a reliable and truthful witness. But Kramer
also testified about the gassings in Birkenau and Natzweiler.

BTW - sorry for having forgot to post your famous quote,
when replying to your previous articles.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:37 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution
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Every time I read the claims of strong ideological links between
Judaism or Zionism and Soviet communism, I fail to understand one
thing.

If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist
USSR, for many years, supplied numerous amounts of weapons, as well
as military training, to Arab countries and organizations which
fought many bitter wars with Israel, and vowed - again and
again - to erase it from the face of the earth?

If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist
USSR, for years, ruthlessly persecuted Jews and Zionists?

Can any "revisionist scholar" explain this?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:38 PDT 1996
Article: 73637 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# So, twent feet of soil was dug out of the ground.

Over what area? And, anyway, what's your point? As a trivial
calculation proves, the amount of earth needed to fill the
burial pits is very small with regard to the total area
of the extermination section in Treblinka.

# Of that I am aware. I accept the present, but I was referring
# to the state of things back then - when we did rule most of it.
# And when are you going to pay?

Fergus old chap - this was slightly amusing for the first time,
boring on the second, and damn silly on the third. Please cut
the crap.

# We didn't give, or sell, America to the Americans. They took it.

And da Joooos took Palestine from you. That's life. Get over it,
old chap. The empire is gone, and it ain't coming back. Britain
still has quite a few things to be proud of. You, however, are
not one of them.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:38 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS
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Thanks for posting the address.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:39 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Julius Streicher - PORNOGRAPHER
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^

# Have you no mercy for the defeated Mr. JBelling?   ; )
                                         ^^^^^^^^

Good old "rblackmore" is talking to himself again. He
forgot, however, that on the newsgroup he uses only
the "rblackmore" alias.

An educated guess: these are both aliases for "ehrlich606".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:01 PDT 1996
Article: 73617 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: SciFi Channel Sightings
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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

# You don't mean: Giwer's dickless but not diskless??? ;-)

Don't know about that, but one thing is sure - he's jobless.

Giwer claims he has an IQ of 163, yet he's been unemployed
(as he proudly states) since he was 46-years-old.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:02 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
## Musuem that  4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.

# You stepped in it that time.  The inscription clearly
# stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz.

I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at
Pressac's book, and the text on the monument does not even
mention Jews.

IMHO, the old (and false) figure of "4 million victims,
including Jews" - while in reality it is about 1.5 million
victims, most of them Jews - can be attributed in part
to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add
a "Christian touch" to what was, first and foremost, a
Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish
Government does not pursue this line any more.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:02 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# jblackmore already gave the Holocausters' silly claims
# about Kramer a thorough drubbing.

Not really, kurtzi. But there's even a bigger problem for
you here. You see, "rblackmore" relies heavily on his claim
that Kramer was a reliable and truthful witness. But Kramer
also testified about the gassings in Birkenau and Natzweiler.

BTW - sorry for having forgot to post your famous quote,
when replying to your previous articles.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:03 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher - PORNOGRAPHER
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^

# Have you no mercy for the defeated Mr. JBelling?   ; )
                                         ^^^^^^^^

Good old "rblackmore" is talking to himself again. He
forgot, however, that on the newsgroup he uses only
the "rblackmore" alias.

An educated guess: these are both aliases for "ehrlich606".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:04 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Burg visited there.  Read the transcript.  He saw gassing
# used:   to kill lice.

Nope kurtzi, you're lying again. Burg was not in the camps
during the war.
 
# Oh.  You haven't any physical evidence..

Plenty of physical evidence, including documents, photographs,
large amounts of human remains, and some of the gas chambers.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:04 PDT 1996
Article: 73737 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific'
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:

Our odd Canadian "revisionist" is becoming more and more 
desperate as the years go by.

In response to my excerpt from the testimony of SS doctor Kremer,
describing the mass murder in the Birkenau gas chambers, Beaulieu
posts a paragraph about the alleged unreliability of Mauthausen
commandant, Zieris.

Note that Beaulieu didn't write that he is referring to Zieris
(although it is clear that this is the case, from his descriptions).
Most probably, he's trying to mislead by hinting it is Dr. Kremer
who is being discussed!

Zieris, it is true, was shot by US soldiers, after he fired at
them. He was seriously injured when he gave his affidavit; I agree
that this makes his affidavit less reliable and accurate, to some
extent.

But what does that have to do with the testimony of Dr. Kremer,
who, BTW, testified not only in Poland, but in the German trial
of 1963-5?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:05 PDT 1996
Article: 73738 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Gee -- how come those so-called "gas chambers" didn't have any
# ventilation fans?

You mean the ones in Treblinka? Why should they have had fans?

They used the exhaust of a very large engine, pumped into the
closed room in which the victims were. Why do you need fans for
such a gas chamber? People commit suicide by locking themselves
in their garage, and running the car's engine. No need for fans.

Please stop being such a fool.

# Gotcha.

Nope, kurtzi. You'll have to try harder.


-Danny Keren.


 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:05 PDT 1996
Article: 73739 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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Let's look at those memoirs again, and at the "revisionist"
claim that they were dictated to Hoess by the Soviets and the
Poles.

The Soviets and Poles claimed 4 million deaths at Auschwitz,
while Hoess gives in his memoirs a rather accurate estimate
of about 1.3 million. Moreover, he mocks the higher estimates,
saying they are fruit of wild imagination, etc.

Can you see how stupid the "revisionist" claim is?

Can anyone explain how come, if they told him what to write,
they told him to give a figure for the victims so very
different from theirs? And they also told him "hey, Hoess old
chap, don't forget to write that only an idiot would support
the figures we claim are true"?

Also, can any "revisionist" explain why the Soviets and the 
Poles would have told Hoess to write that the Soviet POW's
behaved like a horde of animals, killing each other for a
piece of bread, practicing cannibalism, etc? 

And why they would have told him to write that the Polish
prisoners were bitterly fighting among them, even killing
each other, in battles for higher positions in the inmate
hierarchy?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:06 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: RAVE REVIEWS FOR SNIVELING LIAR
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The point I was making is not trivial. The "major point" in Smith's
piece is that the gas chamber was too small to hold 60 victims. 
However, he arrived at this conclusion by computing its area as 12 
sq. feet, while it was really 12*12 = 144 sq. feet.

The man can't compute the area of a square. Maybe Tommy Moran
can. Maybe even Giwer can. But Bradley Smith can't. Sorry 'bout
that, but it ain't my fault.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:07 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Diesel Gas Chambers: The Reality Explored
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Tommy, I did post a reply, and you can look up the web page.

Two key points:

1) A scientific paper proves that it is very easy to tune a diesel
   so that its exhaust contains hardly any oxygen, and up to 6
   percent CO. This is much higher than the lethal concentration.

("The Significance of Diesel-Exhaust-Gas Analysis", by
J.C. Holtz and M.A. Elliot, Transactions of the ASME,
Vol. 63, 1941, p. 97-105).

2) Another scientific paper proves that when animals were exposed
   to the exhaust of a tiny diesel engine (6 BHP) in a closed
   chamber, they died.

("The Toxicity of Fumes from a Diesel Engine Under Four Different
Running Conditions", by Pattle et al., British Journal of Industrial
Medicine, 1957, Vol 14, p.  47-55).

All this proves, very clearly, that the "revisionist" claims about
"difficulties" (or the impossibility of) killing people with diesel
exhaust, are totally and completely idiotic. That's it.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:08 PDT 1996
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Subject: BWWAAWK! BWWAAWK! (Re: Jew "Moshe" Defends Torture of 
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Now watch -- the Jews on alt.revisionism will be crowing "Bwwaawk!
# he's a troller!".

Bwwaawk! 

BWWAAWK! 

He's a troller! 

Oy Vey! 

BWWAAWK! 

Oy Gewalt! 

He's a troller!

Chicken soup!

Matzos!

HE'S A TROLLER!

BWWAAWK!


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:08 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: I'm Waiting For Some Answers, Mr. Blackmore.
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I fear, old son, that you will have to wait a long time.

Poor old "rblackmore" is now stuck with the following problem: how
on earth to keep arguing that Kramer's testimony about Belsen is
true, and that he is a reliable and truthful witness, yet dismiss
what he said about the murder in the Birkenau gas chambers - which
took place when he commanded Birkenau - and what he said about the
murder in the Natzweiler gas chamber, which he carried out himself?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:09 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: MAKING MONEY OUT OF DEATH - HOW SICK
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Letter from SS-Gruppenfuehrer Katzmann to SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Kruger,
regarding the "solution of the Jewish problem in Galicia", and giving
a breakdown of property taken from the Jews, June 30, 1943
[Documents on the Holocaust - Edited by Y. Arad, Y. Gutman, A. Margaliot,
NY, Ktav Pub. House in Association with Yad-Vashem, 1981, p. 335-341]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Valuables were secured and handed over to the special staff 
"Reinhard". Apart from furniture and large quantities of textile,
etc., the following were confiscated and delivered to special staff
"Reinhard":
 
As of June 30, 1943:
 .
 .
20.952 Kg - wedding rings - gold
22.740 Kg - pearls
11.730 Kg - gold teeth
 .
 .



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 08:51:09 PDT 1996
Article: 73809 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE RED RAPISTS  OF ILYA EHRENBURG
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <53prio$h98@news1.total.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:56:30 GMT
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jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

# A few days ago on this alt.rev. discussion group D. Keren 
# asked  me for "EVIDENCE" on th behaviour of the Red Army in
# Hungary during WW II.

Let it be noted that you posted not one document proving
the atrocities you claim took place, nor any physical evidence
whatsoever. Such documents and physical evidence *are* supplied
as proof of Nazi crimes. Yet, "revisionists" reject the reality
of Nazi crimes, while accepting each and every detail of alleged
anti-German (or anti-Hungarian) crimes, even when no proof of
them exists. 

# The barbarism of the Soviet occupying forces can best be
# judged by the fact that many thousands of Hungarian men were
# raped or forced to unnatural excesses by Russian women soldiers.

And this, even before that crappy movie with Demi Moore... please.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:36 PDT 1996
Article: 73882 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: I always get the feeling
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <53heff$kne@is05.micron.net>  <53ppoe$kjq@is05.micron.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:57:48 GMT
Lines: 24

kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# According to the "Holocaust" tale they gassed people
# every 5  - 20 minutes.

Rubbish. The large gas chambers held at least 1,500 people.
It is impossible that they were used at a rate even close
to the one you give.

# If this is true there STILL was far more gas used to gas
# people than to gas lice.

But it's not true.

# The old "it takes longer to delouse than to gas Jews" position
# is Nizkor's attempted retort to the Leuchter report.

It's a medical fact, you poor clown. Look at any relevant medical
text and check how long it takes for people to die when exposed to
the same concentration of HCN used for delousing.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:37 PDT 1996
Article: 73884 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Moshe' is a Forgery (Re: Jew "Moshe" Defends Torture of 
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <53om14$ekn@is05.micron.net> <326037B9.3F54@itsa.ucsf.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 09:09:53 GMT
Lines: 28

When saving the original article from "just Moshe", we get the
following header:

 From Moshe@idirect.com Sun Oct 13 04:46:49 EDT 1996
 Article: 128829 of alt.revisionism
 Xref: world alt.revisionism:128829
 Path: world!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm
 From: Moshe@idirect.com (Just Moshe)
 Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
 Subject: Re: Israeli Use of Torture to Interrogate Palestinians (II)
 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 06:55:10 GMT
 Organization: Internet Directly
 Lines: 20
 Message-ID: <53nffp$ors@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
 References: <53ehcg$5eb@is05.micron.net>
 Reply-To: Moshe@idirect.com
 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net
 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

As you can see, "Moshe@idirect.com" is really posting from
worldnet. Note also the NNTP-Posting-Host, which is from Tampa,
FL. Now, again, boys and girls: who is the notorious "revisionist"
and antisemitic troller who posts from a worldnet account, and
lives in Tampa, FL?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:38 PDT 1996
Article: 73896 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <53qb9v$o0m@juliana.sprynet.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 19:14:36 GMT
Lines: 16

rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# The photos only prove people died.

Yeh, "only" that.

# Danny seems to be so fond of these pictures, like a
# baseball card collection.

I am only documenting what your fuehrer considered as his
greatest achievement. So why are you upset? Really, you
nazi-boys should be grateful.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 17:04:54 PDT 1996
Article: 73921 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <53klth$mh@is05.micron.net>  <845210817snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:43:12 GMT
Lines: 44

A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

## Plenty of physical evidence, including documents,

# Hoess's order to Kramer which was never produced?

I am talking about documents that were found, such as Wetzel's
letter to Lohse. There are many such documents, and their text
(plus the photos of some of them) are posted here daily. You
want to keep playing the retard and pretend they are not there,
fine.

## photographs,

# of the gas chamber in action which Reitlinger says exists
# and which you are sure exists but likewise can't produce.

That and other photos. I said that I have a so-so xerox copy;
I wrote a source in Germany, asking for better copies. Once I
have them, I'll scan and post.

## large amounts of human remains

# including at Belsen -

Yes, of course.

# look at what those wicked Nazis did?

You think it's funny? What's funny about tens-of-thousand
of corpses in a mass grave?

# and some of the gas chambers.

# like the delousing chamber at Dachau

Like the homicidal gas chamber there, and those in Auschwitz-Birkenau
and Natzweiler.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:48 PDT 1996
Article: 73937 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <326050fe.4132941@news.awinc.com> <53qff1$sin@juliana.sprynet.com> 
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:09:17 GMT
Lines: 14

dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

# C[4026k]tell us, nazi-boy, why the Poles would have "forced"
  ^^^^^^^^
# Hoess to write this?

Sorry, people - I was running the "Macaulay" symbolic computation
program in the background and it dumped this output into my
article. It is NOT the secret ZOG command to send "Kurt Stele"
into action again :-).


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:48 PDT 1996
Article: 73940 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Fascism (was: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <3258957C.3767@ns.sympatico.ca>   <845211334snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:01:29 GMT
Lines: 20

A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

# Arafat's whore (Vanessa Redgrave); sundry Nazis (Butz, etc),
# self-hating Jews (Burg & Cole)

Burg (or Berg, or Ginzburg, the name keeps changing) was
obviously insane and/or mentally retarded, as looking at
his "testimony" from the Zundel trial proves. As for Cole,
who knows? My own guess - the poor little schmuck didn't
even have enough brains to graduate highschool (in America,
no less), and I think he took this "revisionism" thing
out of desperation, revenge for his failures, and as the
only way possible to become famous; a Jew hanging out with
a bunch of crazed Nazis is good news. He did make it to
some talk shows, the poor little shmegegi. BTW, anyone
knows what he's doing now?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:49 PDT 1996
Article: 73941 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jew "Moshe" Defends Torture of Palestinians as "Necessary"
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <53om14$ekn@is05.micron.net> <3264fd50.6690261@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <53po7i$kjq@is05.micron.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:12:16 GMT
Lines: 22

kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
# jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

## Try to pay attention. Matt Giwer is playing a new trolling
## game by pretending to be a Jew posting from idirect.com.

# Where is your proof of this, oh omnipotent one?

1) The header for the "Moshe" posts shows they came from
   worldnet, Giwer's provider, and not idirect.

2) Giwer's .sig file appeared attached to a "Moshe" post.

3) The NNTP host shows the articles originate in Tampa, FL,
   where Giwer lives.

Posted/e-mailed to Mr. Morris and kurtzi.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:50 PDT 1996
Article: 73942 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <53qg8u$sin@juliana.sprynet.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:49:40 GMT
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

["rblackmore" is now trying to prove that the Holocaust is a
hoax, because a witness apparently confused "he" with "she"]

# PLEASE.  Bimko spoke fluent German,

She was from Poland. How do you know she spoke fluent German?

# The fact is Bimko is and was a LIAR,

The fact is that you are mad at her, and at the other
survivors, because they have lived to tell the world
about what your heroes have done.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 13 19:20:51 PDT 1996
Article: 73947 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Israeli Use of Torture to Interrogate Palestinians (II)
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <53ehcg$5eb@is05.micron.net> <53nffp$ors@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:53:39 GMT
Lines: 22

When replying to this article, see what happens:

In article <53nffp$ors@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Just Moshe  wrote:

How come the address is from idirect.com, yet the reference
is from worldnet.att.net?

Most clearly, a forgery and a troll by someone from worldnet,
pretending to be a Jew.

Later, the "Moshe@idirect.com" changed to "Moshe@worldnet.att.net",
in an attempt to conceal the forgery.

Thanks to John Morris for pointing this out.

Now, boys and girls, who is the notorious antisemite and
"revisionist" posting from "worldnet"? 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:40 PDT 1996
Article: 74060 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <326050fe.4132941@news.awinc.com> <53qff1$sin@juliana.sprynet.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:03:35 GMT
Lines: 37

rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Also, in Soviet hands, Hoess must have fared
# much worse treatment,

Absolute rubbish. Hoess wrote in his memoirs some things that
infuriated his Soviet and Polish captors:

1) That 1.3 million died in Auschwitz, as opposed to their
   estimate of 4 million. Moreover, he mocks the higher
   estimates as "figments of the imagination", which "lack
   any foundation".

Are you indeed such a poor, retarded little Nazi that you
cannot understand that it doesn't make any sense that, had
they "tortured him into saying what they wanted", they would
NOT have told him to write this?

2) That the Soviet POW's behaved like animals, killing each
   other for a piece of bread, and practiced cannibalism.

Can you tell us, nazi-boy, WHY the Soviets would have "forced"
him to write this?

3) That the Polish inmates were bitterly fighting among themselves,
   and killing each other, in battles for a higher position in
   the inmate hierarchy.

C[4026k]tell us, nazi-boy, why the Poles would have "forced"
Hoess to write this?

Mr. Van-Alstine is kind to you. Calling you a "scumbag Nazi apologist"
is a serious overestimate. You're much lower.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:40 PDT 1996
Article: 74070 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Queen of Mean Lies-Ada Bimko, or is it Bimbo?
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:32:30 GMT
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Cross examination of Ada Bimko:

# Q:  I suggest to you that Dr. Klein did not arrive at Auschwitz
# until 15th December 1943, and accordingly could not have
# taken part in a selection on 1st December 1943?  pg.73.

Supposing Klein did arrive on Dec. 15, is it really so
impossible to believe that someone who lived in such
conditions got the date wrong by two weeks?

Anyway, Klein testified about how he selected people to
the gas chamber.

Heck, I can't remember if I started reading Usenet in 1991
or 1992. What about others?

Anyone here who can recall, with an accuracy of 15 days,
when he/she began reading the internet?

I was involved in a car accident a few years ago (nothing
serious, but it was a very unusual event). I can't recall
the date to an accuracy of 15 days. I think I recall the
correct month.

Out lame Nazi apologist expects people who lived through hell
to display superhuman feats and computer-like memory.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:41 PDT 1996
Article: 74103 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <326113BB.1AA0@ccnis.net> <53rvfm$18a@juliana.sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:45:54 GMT
Lines: 9

So, "rblackmore", do you admit you lied when you wrote - a few
times mind you - that the monument said "4 million Jews"?

Answer the question, please. You can say "I didn't lie, I made a
mistake". But do answer it.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:42 PDT 1996
Article: 74118 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE RED RAPISTS  OF ILYA EHRENBURG
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <53prio$h98@news1.total.net>  <53qvvs$m1n@faith.total.net> <53roqq$bdc@is05.micron.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:12:00 GMT
Lines: 33

kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Of course Jew-Keren doesn't give one hoot about the rape against
# German children.  

Sigh. kurtzi, this is not true. You are the one, let us not
forget, who stated his support for mass murder of innocents
(see your famous quote below).

My question, kurtzile, is simple. Mrs. Toth seems to be too thick
to understand it, yet I'll repeat it again.

Why do "revisionists" accept all these tales (some downright 
ridiculous) about anti-German crimes, while rejecting the
reality of Nazi atrocities, which are far better documented
than the anti-German atrocities?

Can you understand the question, you poor, hysterical untermensch?


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 08:45:42 PDT 1996
Article: 74129 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <53t2jd$2qb@juliana.sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:24:14 GMT
Lines: 38

rblackmore@juno.com writes:
 
Poor old "rblackmore" cannot say anything intelligent about the
clear and obvious fact that Hoess was *not* told by the Poles
and Soviets what to write in his memoirs. In desperation, he
whines:
 
# Now, where is the proof that anyone
# was gassed at Auschwitz?  Are you relying on Hoess?
 
The proof is in the documents, witnesses, and forensic evidence.
Hoess is one witness. 
 
[About Hoess]
 
# How am I to fathom the mind of a man doomed to die in any event?
 
You poor baby. You are rather desperately trying to evade the
issue, which is the undeniable fact that Hoess' memoirs,
obviously, were not "dictated" to him.
 
# imagine a grown man turned on by atrocity photos.
 
Who said they turn me on? Nazis like you deny history, I do what I
can to post the evidence. BTW, nice to see that you agree they are
indeed photos of atrocities.
 
I see that putting the photos on the web, and making people aware
of their existence, is really infuriating Nazi liars like yourself.
Small wonder. It's harder to convince people that your Nazi heroes
were such great guys, after they have seen these photos, right?

It required a considerable effort to locate and scan all these
photos, but it was worthwhile.
 

-Danny Keren.



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From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 18:10:00 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: I'm Waiting For Some Answers, Mr. Blackmore.
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# My final observation was that Kramer realized
# the overwhelming conditions existing in the camp
# and then embarked upon the solution he thought
# best for the welfare of the inmates:

Yep - he killed them.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.

Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
should you care?".




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 18:10:01 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# The word specifically means in German "carburation celler" -- the
# space in which the primary fuel is converted into combustible gas
# before being fed into the hearth.

kurtzi, this is simply too much. This "explanation" for the gassing
cellar mentioned in the document was offered a long time ago, by
Butz. It is so horribly idiotic that even Butz does not support
it anymore. The furnaces used coke, no "mixture of gases".

# A gas chamber in German would be "Gaskammer."

And, indeed, "gaskammer" (gas chamber) and "gasraum" (gas room)
are mentioned in the construction documents for Krema V in
Birkenau and for the Natzweiler gas chamber.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 14 20:03:43 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Miracle on 54th street-In and Out of the Gas Chamber!
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It's a pity we have to go through this again, but...

rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# The whole story reeks with impossibilites
# and complete fabrications.

Your whole "analysis" reeks of your stupidity and your
total and complete lack of technical knowledge, which made
you claim a few days ago that Zyklon-B is lighter than air (!!).

# According to this "eyewitness", the people in the gas chamber
# were about ready to tear each other apart, so that if left to their
# own devices, no gas was necessary to kill them.

Stop being such a fool. She said they were hysterical, not that
they were going to kill each other.

# Aside from all this, she states tha she "saw fumes coming in
# through a small window at  the top."  How interesting....

She's obviously talking of one of the "bunkers", or Krema IV
or V, in which the Zyklon was inserted via high openings on the side.
The simplest explanation is that she saw, against the light from
the outside, the HCN+indicator being released from the Zyklon; I'd
appreciate comments from the chemists here. If I recall correctly,
when with the indicator, the gas is visible?

# Further, her statement about helathy and strong individuals being
# placed in the chamber is contrary to everything written about the
# purpose of the selections.

Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, about his days at Auschwitz
[Quoted from "Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings Against Robert
Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt", By Bernd
Naumann, 1966, published by Frederick A. Praeger, NY, p. 50-1]
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The Jews were asked to line up. It was my job to preserve calm and
order. The selection was carried out by doctors. The instructions
were issued by the commandants or by Grabner. Sometimes entire
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
transports were gassed. At times many able-bodied workers were
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
selected, at other times fewer. The percentage was specified in
advance. It was determined by the need for workers.



# Also, her statement that she had been in the gas chamber 1 to 2
# minutes is nothing more than a complete fabrication.  No one could
# be exposed to cyanide gas for that length of time and come out alive.

You stupid Nazi clown. First, you imbeciles claim that it would
take the HCN hours to evaporate from the Zyklon, and that it
would take the victims hours to die. Now, you tell us that they
would all have died after a minute or two. The truth is that
the Zyklon releases the HCN, but not that fast; she would not
have died immediately unless she was very close to it.

# Conveniently she also failed to notice whether her rescuer
# was wearing a gas mask or not,

And someone in that a situation would note each and every detail?

# and the very idea that a guard could simply walk into the gas chamber
# and escort her out without a full riot on his hands is absurd.

She said that she was already hardly able to move. Probably, so
were the other inmates.

Is the testimony a standard one? No. Have "revisionists" succeeded
to prove that Litwinska lied? No. A death camp is an odd place;
many odd things happen in such a place.

Personally, I would have discarded the testimony as "probably false";
however, there are too many accurate details in it. More so, these
details would have been known only to someone who went through the
selection process and saw the gas chambers.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:48 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Brack's Plan To Kill 'Only' 80 Percent Of the Jews
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642-2.jpg

Two pages of a letter from Victor Brack to Reichsfuehrer 
Himmler, suggesting not to kill all Jews, but spare 20-30 
percent for forced labor, while sterilizing them.

Translation:

Letter from SS-Oberfuehrer Brack to Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, June 23, 1942
[Documents on the Holocaust - Edited by Y. Arad, Y. Gutman, A. Margaliot,
NY, Ktav Pub. House in Association with Yad-Vashem, 1981, p. 272]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Honorable Mr. Reichsfuehrer!

[...]

According to my impression there are at least 2-3 million men and
women well fit for work among the approx. 10 million European
Jews. In consideration of the exceptional difficulties posed for
us by the question of labor, I am of the opinion that these 2-3
million should in any case be taken out and kept alive. Of course
this can only be done if they are in the same time rendered
incapable of reproduction. I reported to you about a year ago that
persons under my instruction have completed the necessary experiments
for this purpose. I wish to bring up these facts again. The type
of sterilization which is normally carried out on persons with
genetic disease is out of the question in this case, as it takes
too much time and is expensive. Castration by means of X-rays, 
however, is not only relatively cheap, but can be carried out on
many thousands in a very short time. I believe that it has become
unimportant at the present time whether those affected will then
in the course of a few weeks or months realize by the effects that
they are castrated.

In the event, Mr. Reichsfuehrer, that you decide to choose these
means in the interest of maintaining labor-material, Reichsleiter
Bouhler will be ready to provide the doctors and other personnel
needed to carry out this work. He also instructed me to inform you
that I should then order the required equipment as quickly as
possible.




-Danny Keren.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Cremation Furnaces for 'Bath Installations'?
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The document in Prufer1.jpg and Prufer2.jpg, web page
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/p/prufer.kurt/images/ ,
is interesting. It discusses (in item 2) the construction of
cremation furnaces at the "'bath installations for
special operations'" (sonderaktionen), in Birkenau.

Why do bath installations require cremation furnaces? Any
"revisionist" out there willing to explain this?

Two remarks:

1) The homicidal gas chambers were indeed disguised as
   bathing installations (the shower-heads are even mentioned
   in the inventory list, see
   http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Invntry.jpg).

2) "Special operations" (sonderaktions) are a common codeword
   for murder; see, for instance, testimonies of the SS-men,
   Dr. Kremer's diary, and the following document:

 Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of
concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14
November 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 99]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending
the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be
specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general,
routine reason should be given.




-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:49 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Why So Many Crematoriums?
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This newsgroup opened in 1992. That's 5 years.

So far, no "revisionist" gave any rational explanation
as to why a "work camp" (Auschwitz-Birknau) needed five
huge crematoriums, with 52 cremation furnaces.

The claim is often made that they were built to deal with
corpses from typhus epidemics, but this makes no sense.

No one builds so many crematoriums unless he's expecting a
huge number of corpses he'll have to deal with, over a long
period of time. The simplest solution to typhus epidemics
would be to close the camp down, and stop deporting people
there. Surely, the "revisionist" won't claim that the SS
expected such huge numbers of people to die from typhus,
and yet continued to deport them to the camp?

Is there any document about the typhus epidemics being the
reason for building the crematoriums? I am not aware of
one. I am aware of a document that states that they have
to be completed urgently, because of the "situation caused
by the special actions". And "special actions" does not
mean "typhus epidemics". It means murder, as the letter from
SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl, which I posted, proves.

Any answers here? Any "revisionist" know of other "work camps"
with five huge creatoriums?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 15 07:58:50 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Where does it [Hoess' memoirs] say "it infuriated" his Soviet
# and Polish captors?  I'm waiting.

Look at page 56 of the book.

# Obviously 4 million was such a ridiculous figure even the hoaxsters
# had to retract it. The figure was then re-set to 1.13 (not 1.3).

You still don't get it, do you.

The Soviets and the Poles did support the 4 million figure. Why
would they, then, "dictate" to Hoess a figure of 1.3 million to
write in his memoirs? Why would they "tell him" to mock and
ridicule the higher figures?

Is there anyone but a retarded "revisionist scholar" who can
accept this?

# Keren is a low-life scumbag jew-traitor and a filthy liar.

At least, I post under my own name, unlike you, little untermencsh.

"kurtzi" stele. Possibly, the most stupid "revisionist" on the
block. Not that the competition ain't tough...


-Danny Keren.



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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into
# admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at
# Brikenau and Natzweiler.  However, what I wrote
# was that I believed that he told the truth in regard
# to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY
# OTHER EVIDENCE.

No, no, nazi-boy. If you say he lied about Auschwitz and
Natzweiler, you cannot claim he told the truth about Belsen.

Re "PROVED BY OTHER EVIDENCE": I really can't understand how
tens-of-thousands of emaciated corpses of the inmates, with the
SS staff doing just great and everyone of them fat like a pig,
is any proof that Kramer did his best to help the inmates.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 15 13:55:40 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

buchenwald02.jpg:
Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.

shrunken.jpg: 
The shrunken head of an inmate.

buchenwald04.jpg: 
German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops 
have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how 
well-dressed and well-fed they are.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:39 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: FORGERY ALERT (Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans)
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dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren) writes:

# No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.  

This was a forgery, posted from worldnet. 

We all know who posted it, of course.

Note that the poor, unemployed, drunk slob couldn't
even spell my name right...

"revisionists"... what a bunch of low-life scumbags.


-Danny Keren.



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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: he who made the assertions
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# dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren)

Yet another forgery.

It seems that this is the only tool left for our
"revisionist scholars"...

What a bunch of Nazi scumbags.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: FORGERY ALERT (Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans)
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dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren) writes:

# But of course I agree Hoess had only 30 days to write
# his memoirs.

This is another forgery from the low-life "revisionist" scum
posting from worldnet. 


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:42 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Another Forgery (Re: Kramer on the half-shell)
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E@ag.org (EE) writes:

# You know how dirty those eastern european jews were.

Note header to this article...

 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
 NNTP-Posting-Host: 253.tampa-2.fl.dial-access.att.net

It's the same old drunkard who lives in Tampa who has been forging
other articles here.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:43 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## So, "rblackmore", do you admit you lied when you wrote - a few
## times mind you - that the monument said "4 million Jews"?

# Answer this first-do you admit you lie when you say that 6,000,000
# Jews were murdered during ww II?

No.

Now answer my question, nazi-boy.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 07:15:43 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

## Your reply did nothing.  You are wrong about the inscription
## and were not man enough to admit it.

# Gordie, you are in error.  I did admit it, but my honest error

He-he. "honest error"... you lying nazi scumbag.

Didn't I warn you nazi scumbags already? If you're going to
lie, try to make it a lie which is hard to detect. Not something
that people can easily look up.

But I guess you're not too smart to invent clever lies.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 11:04:04 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Will the real Bellinger please stand up?
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Poor old "rblackmore" is still trying to find a reasonable
explanation to his claim that Kramer was a truthful and
reliable witness regarding Belsen, but that he lied about
the gassings in Natzweiler and Birkenau.

He said that he accepts Kramer's testimony about Belsen
because "other evidence supports it".

The evidence he's talking about is the tens-of-thousands
of emaciated corpses of the inmates in the camp, and the
fact that the SS staff were all doing just great; one
just has to look at the photo of the fat SS-women dumping
the skeletal corpses into the mass grave. This evidence
is supposed to prove, so the crazed Nazi claims, that
Kramer tried to help the inmates!

Now take Natzweiler. We have the testimony about the
gassings, we have the gas chamber itself, we have
documents about its construction, and we have the death
lists from the camp, for starters.

All these, of course, support Kramer's testimony about
the gassing there. It is so well-documented that even
David "leading revisionist" Cole accepts it took place.

No wonder the little nazi fool, "rblackmore", is cracking
up. Just read his recent articles.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 11:04:04 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

[To mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)]

# You are a lying Nizkor sack-of-shit

kurtzi is upset. After all, he did already express his support
for the mass murder of Jews (see below). The fact that he was
born too late, and missed all the fun, is driving him crazy.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 11:04:05 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Blackmore proved that Kramer did the best he could.

Indeed. He did the best he could to kill all the inmates,
and if the Brits had not arrived in time, he would have
succeeded.

The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 11:04:06 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: policy statement
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) writes:

# The issue is "Holohuggers can believe anything they want BUT
# imposing that belief on me or my children or my actions or
# the actions of my fellow citizens or the actions of my country
# makes it the imposition of tyranny and personal affair."

        Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
            with him about historical facts
        ---------------------------------------

Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
kill me himself.

Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".

Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
for all of this.


 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
 Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism

[Giwer writes to me]

# Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
# first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
# US above all others.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
 Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism

# Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
# a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
# the US.
#
# The curse is upon him.
#
# He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
# Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
# security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
# are no loyal Americans.
#
# They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
#
# Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
 Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism

[Giwer writes to me]

# May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
# apart.  May you know death from drowning.

# And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
# end of time and from then into eternity.  




-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 11:04:07 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren) writes:

## No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.

# Right.  So you admit you have no case.

Look before you jump, nazi-boy. You have responded to a
forgery. I didn't post that.

Posted/e-mailed to nazi-boy.


-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 11:04:08 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Hoess was a fabricator and a liar just like many of
# your survivors.

In other words, the "Soviets and Poles told Hoess what to
write in his memoirs" is out, and "Hoess was a fabricator and
a liar" is in.

Why would Hoess write, out of his own free will, all these
"lies"? Only "rblackmore" knows. Same question for each
and every SS-men who was in the camps.

Next, it is "Hoess' memoirs were forged by the 'secret German
UFOs'" (you know, the ones that "leading revisionist" Ernst
Zundel likes to talk about).


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 11:04:09 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# 1.  What date do you give as the commencement of the
# "final solution" at Auschwitz and why.

It's hard to define a specific date; it's not an objective
matter. One person could trace it back to the first gassings,
another could say that a definitive date is when the construction
of the huge Birkenau crematoriums began.

# 2.  At what date did Hoess leave as commandant, and on
# what date did he return, and for how long?

I don't remember this offhand. Why do you ask?


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 16:21:34 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Sometimes entire transports were gassed'
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Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, about his days at Auschwitz
[Quoted from "Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings Against Robert 
Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt", By Bernd 
Naumann, 1966, published by Frederick A. Praeger, NY, p. 50-1]
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The Jews were asked to line up. It was my job to preserve calm and
order. The selection was carried out by doctors. The instructions
were issued by the commandants or by Grabner. Sometimes entire
transports were gassed. At times many able-bodied workers were
selected, at other times fewer. The percentage was specified in
advance. It was determined by the need for workers.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 16:21:35 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

## You think it's funny? What's funny about tens-of-thousand
## of corpses in a mass grave?

# I don't think it's funny at all Dan, what I do think is sick
# is the way human suffering - real and imagined - is exploited
# by political gerrymanderers to further a political agenda.

Not my agenda. And whatever you're talking about, the dead still
died because of Nazi barbarism and brutality. The murderer is
still a murderer and the victims is still a victim. If someone
exploits the murders, it's his/hers problem.

# What I'm looking for here Dan is you having the balls to admit
# that the Americans, the Board of Deputies of British Jews,
# Suzman and Diamond and others lied, ie that they have persistently
# misrepresented a delousing chamber as a gas chamber.

Sigh. For the zillionth time:

1) There was - and there still is - a homicidal gas chamber
   in Dachau. See also the Rashcer letter to Himmler.

2) It may be that someone confused the delousing chamber as a
   homicidal gas chamber. But why would one *intentionally*
   do that, while there's a real homicidal gas chamber nearby?

3) You posted a whole piece of testimony alleged given by Franz
   Hoessler, of which he didn't say a word. You explained this
   as a mistake. Why is it that when you do it it's a mistake,
   when someone else does it (if they did) it's a "lie"?

# Be a man Dan, admit it. They lied.

There is no evidence and, moreover, no logical reason to
assume they lied. Again, think a little. Why would someone
intentionally claim the delousing chamber was a homicidal
gas chamber, when there's a homicidal gas chamber nearby?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 20:14:27 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from OHRDRUF Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images

ohrdruf-01.jpg
Burned corpses of inmates.

ohrdruf-02.jpg:
Murdered inmates.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 20:14:28 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Where have all the soldiers gone?
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# According to author Isaac Kowalski in his
# book "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe"
# page 77:
#
# "330,000 Germans surrendered and 91,000,
# including 24 Generals, marched out.....Only
# 5,000 Germans came back to Germany
# after years of labor in deep Russia."
#
# Comment:  SIX FEET deep, I might add.
# Wonder what happened to those thousands
# of human beings?

I assume many of them died in Soviet captivity. Just like
the approximately 3 million Soviets who died in Nazi captivity.

However, according to "revisionist logic", you have absolutely
and completely no evidence whatsoever that even one of the
German POW's died. Don't forget that. Or, do you have the
autopsy reports that you "revisionist scholars" keep demanding?

BTW, I recall that the commanding German officer (at Stalingrad),
General Von-Paulus, returned after the war to Germany.

Here's some material on the mass murder of the Soviet POW's
in Nazi captivity, written by a German scholar:

The following are extracts from the book "A Mosaic of Victims",
edited by M. Berenbaum. The article was written by Christian Streit,
a German scholar who wrote books and essays about the fate of
Soviet POW's in Nazi captivity.
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Among the different groups that fell victim to the Nazi politics of
extermination, the Soviet prisoners of war must be accorded a special
place. After the Jews, they were numerically the largest group of
victims, and there are close ties between their fate and that of the Jews.

What happened to the Soviet prisoners of war in the years between 1941
and 1945 has been largely ignored. A total of approximately 5.7 million
Red Army soldiers were taken prisoners between June 22, 1941, and the end
of the war. In January 1945, there were some 930,000 Soviet POW's left
in the prison camps of the Wehrmacht. About 1 million more had been
released from captivity, most of them as so-called Hilfswilligen, that
is, "helpers of the Wehrmacht". According to estimates from the German
Army staff, another 500,000 of the prisoners either had escaped or
were eventually liberated by the Red Army.

The remaining 3.3 million or about 57 percent of the total number, had
perished by 1945. To make these figures more meaningful, they should
be compared with statistics on the British and American prisoners of
war. Of the total of 231,000 such prisoners in German hands, 8,348, or
3.6 percent, died before the end of the war...

The state of health among the prisoners became desperate in September
1941. Numerous reports show that the despairing prisoners turned to
eating raw grass and leaves. In spite of the rapidly climbing death
rates in the camps, Army Quartermaster General Eduard Wagner, following
the demands of Herman Goering, ordered the drastic reduction of rations
for the prisoners in the front areas. This reduction particularly hurt
the weaker prisoners, because nonworking prisoners were restricted to
1,500 calories a day.

The decimation of large numbers of prisoners was accelerated by winter
because the prisoners were without any protection. Even in the Reich
area and in occupied Poland, the prisoners had often been left for
months to vegetate in trenches, dugouts, or sod houses...

If prisoners were carried by train, an order from the Army High Command
permitted only the use of open freight cars. This order did not merely 
limit the transportation available; it also caused enormous losses
when temperatures began to drop below the freezing point. In the rear
area of the army group center, transportation in closed cars was not
permitted until November 22, 1941, after more than three weeks of severe
frost. The immediate cause for the change was the fact that out of the
transport of 5,000 prisoners, 1,000 had frozen to death...

In dealings with the Soviet POW's in Auschwitz, Camp Commandant Rudolph
Hoess, and his deputy, Karl Fritzsch, discovered the means that made
industrialized murder feasible. In early September 1941, some 600
Soviet prisoners who had been selected for execution by the SS arrived
at Auschwitz. Anxious to avoid the task of shooting such a large group,
Fritzsch decided to use the pesticide Zyklon-B to gas them and another
250 camp inmates selected as "unfit for work". He thus found the way
to kill thousands with minimum effort...




-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 20:14:29 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from AUSCHWITZ Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

auschwitz03.jpg, auschwitz04.jpg
Murdered inmates in Auschwitz-Birkenau.

auschwitz05.jpg
Young Polish children imprisoned in Auschwitz.

Krema4.jpg
Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau.

krema5-01.jpg
Crematorium no. 5 in Birkenau.

burning-pit.jpg
Corpses of victims killed in the gas chambers are burned
outside of Krema no. 5. Photograph taken in the summer of
1944, when the Hungarian Jews were murdered at such a rate
that the cremation furnaces could not handle the number
of corpses.

Furnace.jpg
Cremation furnaces in a Birknenau crematorium.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 23:10:33 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from OHRDRUF Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images

ohrdruf-01.jpg
Burned corpses of inmates.

ohrdruf-02.jpg:
Murdered inmates.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 23:10:34 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Where have all the soldiers gone?
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# According to author Isaac Kowalski in his
# book "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe"
# page 77:
#
# "330,000 Germans surrendered and 91,000,
# including 24 Generals, marched out.....Only
# 5,000 Germans came back to Germany
# after years of labor in deep Russia."
#
# Comment:  SIX FEET deep, I might add.
# Wonder what happened to those thousands
# of human beings?

I assume many of them died in Soviet captivity. Just like
the approximately 3 million Soviets who died in Nazi captivity.

However, according to "revisionist logic", you have absolutely
and completely no evidence whatsoever that even one of the
German POW's died. Don't forget that. Or, do you have the
autopsy reports that you "revisionist scholars" keep demanding?

BTW, I recall that the commanding German officer (at Stalingrad),
General Von-Paulus, returned after the war to Germany.

Here's some material on the mass murder of the Soviet POW's
in Nazi captivity, written by a German scholar:

The following are extracts from the book "A Mosaic of Victims",
edited by M. Berenbaum. The article was written by Christian Streit,
a German scholar who wrote books and essays about the fate of
Soviet POW's in Nazi captivity.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Among the different groups that fell victim to the Nazi politics of
extermination, the Soviet prisoners of war must be accorded a special
place. After the Jews, they were numerically the largest group of
victims, and there are close ties between their fate and that of the Jews.

What happened to the Soviet prisoners of war in the years between 1941
and 1945 has been largely ignored. A total of approximately 5.7 million
Red Army soldiers were taken prisoners between June 22, 1941, and the end
of the war. In January 1945, there were some 930,000 Soviet POW's left
in the prison camps of the Wehrmacht. About 1 million more had been
released from captivity, most of them as so-called Hilfswilligen, that
is, "helpers of the Wehrmacht". According to estimates from the German
Army staff, another 500,000 of the prisoners either had escaped or
were eventually liberated by the Red Army.

The remaining 3.3 million or about 57 percent of the total number, had
perished by 1945. To make these figures more meaningful, they should
be compared with statistics on the British and American prisoners of
war. Of the total of 231,000 such prisoners in German hands, 8,348, or
3.6 percent, died before the end of the war...

The state of health among the prisoners became desperate in September
1941. Numerous reports show that the despairing prisoners turned to
eating raw grass and leaves. In spite of the rapidly climbing death
rates in the camps, Army Quartermaster General Eduard Wagner, following
the demands of Herman Goering, ordered the drastic reduction of rations
for the prisoners in the front areas. This reduction particularly hurt
the weaker prisoners, because nonworking prisoners were restricted to
1,500 calories a day.

The decimation of large numbers of prisoners was accelerated by winter
because the prisoners were without any protection. Even in the Reich
area and in occupied Poland, the prisoners had often been left for
months to vegetate in trenches, dugouts, or sod houses...

If prisoners were carried by train, an order from the Army High Command
permitted only the use of open freight cars. This order did not merely 
limit the transportation available; it also caused enormous losses
when temperatures began to drop below the freezing point. In the rear
area of the army group center, transportation in closed cars was not
permitted until November 22, 1941, after more than three weeks of severe
frost. The immediate cause for the change was the fact that out of the
transport of 5,000 prisoners, 1,000 had frozen to death...

In dealings with the Soviet POW's in Auschwitz, Camp Commandant Rudolph
Hoess, and his deputy, Karl Fritzsch, discovered the means that made
industrialized murder feasible. In early September 1941, some 600
Soviet prisoners who had been selected for execution by the SS arrived
at Auschwitz. Anxious to avoid the task of shooting such a large group,
Fritzsch decided to use the pesticide Zyklon-B to gas them and another
250 camp inmates selected as "unfit for work". He thus found the way
to kill thousands with minimum effort...




-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 16 23:10:35 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from AUSCHWITZ Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

auschwitz03.jpg, auschwitz04.jpg
Murdered inmates in Auschwitz-Birkenau.

auschwitz05.jpg
Young Polish children imprisoned in Auschwitz.

Krema4.jpg
Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau.

krema5-01.jpg
Crematorium no. 5 in Birkenau.

burning-pit.jpg
Corpses of victims killed in the gas chambers are burned
outside of Krema no. 5. Photograph taken in the summer of
1944, when the Hungarian Jews were murdered at such a rate
that the cremation furnaces could not handle the number
of corpses.

Furnace.jpg
Cremation furnaces in a Birknenau crematorium.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 17 00:04:10 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 961016: Fifty years ago at Nuremberg. . .
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) whines:

[About the execution of Nazi mass murderers at Nuremberg]

# Hans Frank was next, dying after 10.5 torturous minutes.

Speech by Frank [Governor of occupied Poland], to German soldiers
in Poland, urging them to write home
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
Off., 1946, Vol. II, p. 633-634]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In all these weeks, they [i.e., your families] will be thinking
of you, saying to themselves: my God, there he sits in
Poland where there are so many lice and Jews, perhaps he is
hungry and cold, perhaps he is afraid to write.
It would not be a bad idea to send our dear ones back home a
picture, and tell them: well now, there are not so many
lice and Jews any more, and conditions here in the General
Government have changed and improved somewhat already. Of
course, I could not eliminate all lice and Jews in only one
year's time. But in the course of time, and above all, if you
help me, this end will be attained. After all, it is not
necessary for us to accomplish everything within a year and
right away, for what would otherwise be left for those who
follow us to do?




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 17 00:04:11 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs of Some Auschwitz-Related Documents
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Vergasungskeller.jpg
Document mentioning the "gassing cellar" in Krema II in
Birkenau.

Gas_Detector.jpg
Letter asking to deliver detectors for cyanide gas to
crematorium in Birkenau.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 17 07:25:56 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Free music lessons at Buchenwald
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Jeffrey  lies yet again:

# Franz Suchomel - that's the same guy who mentioned "Wolsec" 
# in his "confession" as posted by dan keren.

No, liar. As I noted dozens of time, this was my mistake, 
as I didn't correctly hear what he was saying; when 
playing the tape again, you can hear that he does say
"Belzec". Moreover, "Belzec" is the name as it appears
in the book "Shoa".

It is impossible that you forgot this; we have been through
this, as noted, dozens of times, and other people have corrected
you on this as well.

You're a despicable liar.

# Why is Franz Suchomel speaking of "Franz" and not saying "I"?

You miserable idiot. He is talking about Kurt Franz, not about himself.

# ERNST ZUNDEL        http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english

Only a crazed idiot like "Jeffrey" would offer the web site of
a madman (who claims the Nazi leadership escaped into the inner
earth via a "hole in the South-Pole", using "secret UFO's"), as
a reliable source on the history of WW2. You *do* believe the UFO
stuff, "Jeffrey"?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 17 07:50:49 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Area Code of Max-Planck-Institut at Garching - Thanks
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I need to send a fax to the Max-Planck-Institut at 
Garching bei Muenchen. I have the number but not
the area code. The address also has D-85748 in it.

Can anyone tell me what the area code is?

Many thanks,

-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 00:15:31 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Cremation Furnaces for 'Bath Installations'?
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## The document in Prufer1.jpg and Prufer2.jpg, web page
## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/p/prufer.kurt/images/ ,
## is interesting. It discusses (in item 2) the construction of
## cremation furnaces at the "'bath installations for
## special operations'" (sonderaktionen), in Birkenau.
## 
## Why do bath installations require cremation furnaces? Any
## "revisionist" out there willing to explain this?
 
# I'll check later this letter, but don't be ridicoulous: he
# state AT the bath installations, and kremas 4 and 5 were built
# close to a preexisting steam bath building. 

I haven't seen such crap in my life. You must be getting
really desperate.

"At" is not "close to", and the document mentions "bath 
installations for special actions", which was a codeword 
for execution, as proves by testimonies and documents. 

There's no reason in the world that anyone would assign cremation
furnaces to innocent bathing installations.

# Since it was the closest building when there was no crema 
# there, it is normal that he used 'at the bath installation' 
# to describe the nearest place and located the future sit 
# for the kremas.

No, fool. He would simply say that the cremation furnaces were
going to be built in the crematoriums, not "at" the "bathing
installations for special actions".


-Danny Keren.
 


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 00:15:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: 961016: Fifty years ago at Nuremberg. . .
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) whines:

[About the execution of Nazi mass murderers at Nuremberg]

# Hans Frank was next, dying after 10.5 torturous minutes.

Speech by Frank [Governor of occupied Poland], December 16 1941
[Documents on the Holocaust - Edited by Y. Arad, Y. Gutman, A. Margaliot,
NY, Ktav Pub. House in Association with Yad-Vashem, 1981, p. 247, Nazi
Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
Off., 1946 Vol. II p. 634]
---------------------------------------------------------------
[...]

 Gentlemen, I must ask you to steel yourselves against all
considerations of compassion. We must destroy the Jews wherever we
find them, and wherever it is at all possible, in order to maintain
the whole structure of the Reich...

 The Jews represent for us also extraordinary malignant gluttons. We
have now approximately 2,500,000 of them in the General Government
[Nazi occupied Poland], perhaps with the Jewish mixtures and
everything that goes with it, 3,500,000 Jews. We cannot shoot or
poison those 3,500,000 Jews, but we shall nevertheless be able to take
measures which will lead somehow to their annihilation, and this in
connection with the gigantic measures to be determined in discussions
with the Reich.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 09:25:16 PDT 1996
Article: 75297 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Deniers: Do You Believe the Plague?
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

# If I said I didn't believe in the Plague, would you jump
# up and down, punch me in the face (Cole), 

First - note that you totally failed to respond to the
original article. But let's go on.

Who, exactly, "punched" Cole? Needless to say I don't
believe anything these people claim, if there's no proof. 
Was there a complaint to the police? Was anyone charged?

# throw acid in my face (Faurisson), 

Who did that and when? Were the criminals (if this event 
ever took place) found?

You must know that, not long ago, some of the world's "leading
revisionist scholars" beat the crap out of each other, and
pointed loaded guns at each other, during a fight over the
control of the IHR office in CA. Carto and Greg Raven, among
others, were present.

If these attacks against "revisionists" indeed took place, do
we have any reason not to suspect that other "revisionists" are
guilty?

# murder me (Duprat),

Who is Duprat? Is this the guy who sold neo-Nazi crap and was
murdered - as you must now very well - by his 19-year-old
girlfriend? Give it up Al, even the "revisionists" admit this.

# firebomb me (IHR), 

See above.

# libel me (all of us), 

I have yet to see a "revisionist" who was "libeled". As far as
I can tell, they are the worst Nazi slime around (with perhaps a
few exceptions, who are insane or have deep mental problems).

# ban my books (Butz & Harwood)?

There you have a valid point; complain to the German Govt, not
to us. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 09:25:17 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# That's fine.  Don't answer.  You're a lying scum bag anyway.

Nazi-boy here is furious that his lie about the writing on
the monument at Auschwitz was exposed. Of course, he claimed
it was an "honest mistake". But he also claimed to have with
him a photograph of the monument...

Standard nazi-boy routine. When their lies are exposed, it's
always an "honest mistake", never mind it is totally unclear
how one could make such a mistake.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 09:25:18 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Danny's shrunken head
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Pathetic forger, "DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com", writes:

[About the two severed and preserved heads of inmates
found in Buchenwald]

# The two shrunken heads that were submitted in evidence turned 
# out to be of South American origin, and bore the
# inventory control number of a German anthropological museum. 

Post the evidence, Matt, including the "inventory control number".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 09:25:19 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Document and Photographs: Artifacts Made from Corpses in BUCHENWALD Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
buchenwald-doc01.gif

Is a photograph of a letter sent to the director of pathology
at Buchenwald concentration camp. It is about the manufacture
of various items from corpses, including shrunken heads.

For a photograph of such items found in the camp, see

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

buchenwald02.jpg:
Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.

shrunken.jpg: 
The shrunken head of an inmate.



SS Doctor for Weimar,  May 7, 1942

Re: Pathology at camp Buchenwald

To the director of pathology at Buchenwald,

It should be noted that with immediate effect, the preparation 
of so-called "presents" (shrunken heads and so on), is to cease.
A written report on the status of this order for the SS medical 
academy in Graz is to be sent to the SS-Standortarzt the 1st 
and 15th of every month.

The medical attention to inmates is outside the framework of 
pathology and is interdicted with immediate effect.  This order 
is also to be made known to inmates working in pathology.



The Nazi-apologists may find some comfort in the fact that 
someone thought that this practice was too perverse, and ordered
to halt it. Note, however, that there is no indication that
an effort was made to find and punish those who adopted this
kind of hobby. 

Thanks to Mark Van-Alstine, Gord McFee, and Dr. Ulrich Roessler
for helping with the translation.


-Danny Keren.






From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 09:25:19 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

[About Hoess]

# Wrong again.  I claim that obviously his memoirs could have
# been coerced or doctored at any point.

And you claim the Poles, Soviets, and Allies told him to write
that:

1) The true figure for deaths in the camp is 1.3 million victims,
   and the Polish/Soviet estimate of 4 million deaths is absurd 
   and "lacks any foundation in reality".

2) The Soviet POW's behaved like animals and killed each other
   for a piece of bread. And practiced cannibalism.

3) The Polish inmates killed each other in fights for better
   positions in the camp hierarchy.

4) The Allies horribly mistreated German POW's.

kurtzi, can you tell us why the Allies, Soviets, and Poles would
"force" Hoess to write that they are barbarians and liars?

There's no explanation, of course. But he did write this.

Unfortunately for you, he also wrote that more than a million
people were murdered in the camp.

But since you're obviously proud of the Nazis for doing this,
why does it anger you so much?


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 10:03:39 PDT 1996
Article: 100611 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Deniers: Do You Believe the Plague?
Message-ID: 
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

# If I said I didn't believe in the Plague, would you jump
# up and down, punch me in the face (Cole), 

First - note that you totally failed to respond to the
original article. But let's go on.

Who, exactly, "punched" Cole? Needless to say I don't
believe anything these people claim, if there's no proof. 
Was there a complaint to the police? Was anyone charged?

# throw acid in my face (Faurisson), 

Who did that and when? Were the criminals (if this event 
ever took place) found?

You must know that, not long ago, some of the world's "leading
revisionist scholars" beat the crap out of each other, and
pointed loaded guns at each other, during a fight over the
control of the IHR office in CA. Carto and Greg Raven, among
others, were present.

If these attacks against "revisionists" indeed took place, do
we have any reason not to suspect that other "revisionists" are
guilty?

# murder me (Duprat),

Who is Duprat? Is this the guy who sold neo-Nazi crap and was
murdered - as you must now very well - by his 19-year-old
girlfriend? Give it up Al, even the "revisionists" admit this.

# firebomb me (IHR), 

See above.

# libel me (all of us), 

I have yet to see a "revisionist" who was "libeled". As far as
I can tell, they are the worst Nazi slime around (with perhaps a
few exceptions, who are insane or have deep mental problems).

# ban my books (Butz & Harwood)?

There you have a valid point; complain to the German Govt, not
to us. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 10:10:27 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: FORGERY ALERT (Re: The Kind of Stuff Danny Keren Likes to read)
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To the readers of soc.culture.german and soc.culture.europe;
please ignore these articles. They are part of a campaign of
forgery and harassment against me and a few other 
people. These forgeries and harassments are being posted
by two Nazis who frequently post to alt.revisionism. One of
them uses the alias of "rblackmore", the other posts under
a variety of names (the last one being "Theodore Cohen").


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 12:36:38 PDT 1996
Article: 75407 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: FREE SPEECH - A Matter of Philosophy, Not Law
Message-ID: 
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And let us not forget that most famous of "revisionists",
the mighty Ernst Zundel himself.

See the web page

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/
censorship/ban-schindler.gif

For a flier published by Zundel, calling to ban the movie
"Schindler's List".

See also 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/
censorship/z-holocaust-1.gif

and 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/
censorship/z-holocaust-2.gif

In which he calls for banning the TV series "Holocaust".

Who, really, can doubt that "revisionists" support free speech!?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 12:36:39 PDT 1996
Article: 75423 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photograph: Rascher's Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:32:27 GMT
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher2.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, 
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat 
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation 
courtesy of John Morris.

  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."

  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 13:44:43 PDT 1996
Article: 75485 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photograph: Medical 'Experiments' in NATZWEILER (Strasbourg)
Message-ID: 
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:30:35 GMT
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images

MedExp03.jpg:

The horror in Natzweiler (Strasbourg): the dissected 
corpses of victims used for Dr. Hirt's "anthropological 
research".


See photographs of relevant documents in
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hirt.august/images

(Translation to be added soon).


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 14:36:03 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: FREE SPEECH - A Matter of Philosophy, Not Law
Message-ID: 
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Indeed. And let us not forget that a "leading revisionist"
here made a threat to kill someone because he didn't like
his opinion on a certain historical event.

        Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
            with him about historical facts
        ---------------------------------------

Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
kill me himself.

Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".

Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
for all of this.


 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
 Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism

[Giwer writes to me]

# Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
# first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
# US above all others.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
 Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism

# Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
# a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
# the US.
#
# The curse is upon him.
#
# He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
# Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
# security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
# are no loyal Americans.
#
# They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
#
# Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  

 From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
 Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism

[Giwer writes to me]

# May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
# apart.  May you know death from drowning.

# And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
# end of time and from then into eternity.  




-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 14:36:03 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: FREE SPEECH - A Matter of Philosophy, Not Law
Message-ID: 
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And let us not forget another "leading revisionist", 
Horst Kleinsorg. 

Mr. Kleinsorg posted a story about alleged anti-German
atrocities committed by the Soviets. When Dr. Erhard
Sanio proved that these alleged atrocities could not
have taken place, the brave "revisionist" Kleinsorg
posted the following:

 Article 103890 of soc.culture.german
 From: hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg
 Message-ID: <31ce9b9e.13768465@news.annap.infi.net>
 
# This human lowlife SANIO deserves nothing better than to be
# hanged the same way the Nueremberg War Criminals were hanged.
# A meathook would be just right for him and his ilk.



Yes - who can doubt that "revisionists" support free-speech!?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 18 14:49:01 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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Andrew Allen, "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes:

# The question becomes, why abandon its use and go to the 
# vast expense (millions of marks) of converting Crema II 
# into another gaschamber?

"millions of marks"? For converting it into a gas chamber??

To put there a gas-tight door, make a few holes in 
the roof, and build the introduction columns (very
cheap, very simple)?

You're joking, right?

I recall you posted that you used to be a construction
worker (no offense intended - you did post this, right,
unless I'm confusing you with someone else?). Based upon
your experience, how much would it cost to drill a few 
holes in the roof of the gas chamber?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 19 10:43:32 PDT 1996
Article: 75551 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Sergeant Clarke "Visits" Hoess' Family...
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And your point is? They did what they had to do to capture
Hoess. I don't see a special problem here. All this relates
to his capture.

Hoess was not told what to say and was not told what to write in
his memoirs, period. The best proof for this is that he included
in them things which are highly offensive to the Poles, Soviets, 
and the Allies. 

Just one of these things is sufficient to prove this point. Hoess
gives a (rather accurate) figure of 1.3 million victims at
Auschwitz. As we know, the Poles and Soviets gave a 4 million
figure. Moreover, Hoess mocks the higher estimates, calling
them "figments of the imagination", and stating that they "have
no foundation in reality".

Only a "revisionist scholar" can suggest that the Poles and Soviets
told Hoess to give a much lower estimate than they have given, and
to mock their own estimates!


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 19 10:43:33 PDT 1996
Article: 75601 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 961016: Fifty years ago at Nuremberg. . .
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) whines:

[About the execution of Nazi mass murderers at Nuremberg]

# Arthur von Seyss-Inquart was the last to hang at 2:57 A.M., after
# two long hours of listening to the horror of the slow deaths
# which began with the hanging of Ribbentrop.  (We don't know how
# long it took him to die.)
#
# Ingrid

Dear Ingrid: this is very intriguing. How come you know how
much it took all the rest to die, but you don't know about
Seyss-Inquart?

Maybe he didn't even die?

Maybe he's still screeching there at the end of the rope,
waiting for you to come and save him?

Maybe he was rescued by one of those "secret German UFO's",
that your pal, "leading revisionist" Zundel, talks about so much
(you must know about this, right? Look at

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers).

Anyway, I say that all this business looks suspicious and I'm
starting to wonder if this "hanging" ever took place at all.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 19 10:43:33 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
# dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren) wrote:
 
## No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.  
 
# Look, Danny.   I give up my posting against the Holocaust
# beginning right now. Because all I wanted was for you to just 
# admit the truth about something for once.  
 
kurtzi, you're responding to a forgery. I didn't write that
article.

I wonder why only kurtzi and "rblackmore" fell for this rather
lame forgery attempt. Does anyone need more proof that they are
aliases for Giwer?

Posted/e-mailed to kurtzi.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 19 10:43:34 PDT 1996
Article: 75618 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
## 2) It may be that someone confused the delousing chamber as a
##    homicidal gas chamber. But why would one *intentionally*
##    do that, while there's a real homicidal gas chamber nearby?
 
# How about because there was no homicidal gas chamber?

It was there and it is there now. See also the Rascher to Himmler
letter which was posted here numerous times.
 
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg
 
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher2.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, 
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat 
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation 
courtesy of John Morris.
 
 
  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."
 
  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].
 



-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 19 10:43:35 PDT 1996
Article: 75666 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Fascism (was: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution
Message-ID: 
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
[About Burg]

## He was a poor crazy bastard, Al. Look at his testimony in
## the Zundel trial. He was never in the camps during the war,
## yet he claimed to know exactly what happened in them. 
 
# Sounds a bit like you, Dan.

No, more like you. The point is that I don't claim to know
more about what happened in the camps than each and every one
who was in them. You and Burg do claim this. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 19 10:43:35 PDT 1996
Article: 75667 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Why So Many Crematoriums?
Message-ID: 
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
 
## Any answers here? Any "revisionist" know of other "work camps"
## with five huge crematoriums?
 
# Auschwitz was a complex of forty-five camps; the crematoria were
# used for the surrounding area as well. 

Source? 

How many people were in all these camps combined?

# Somebody posted a while back that many cities have mortuary and 
# similar facilities far more extensive than they need.

20 times more than they need? 

Also, are you comparing a country that had to cut down on expenses, 
during war time, to modern cities?

Assume that each muffle could cremate only 15 corpses a day (a
serious underestimate). That's still 52*15*360 = 280,800 corpses
per year.

Where were all these corpses supposed to come from, considering
Auschwitz-Birkenau never had more than a few tens-of-thousands
of inmates?


-Danny Keren.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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Letter from Dr. Wurm, of the Wuerttemberg Evangelical Provincial Church,
to Reich Minister of interior Dr. Frick, September 5 1940
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
Off., 1946, Supp. A, p. 1223]
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Dear Reich Minister,

On July 19th I sent you a letter about the systematic extermination
of lunatics, feeble-minded and epileptic persons. Since then this
practice has reached tremendous proportions: recently the inmates of
old-age homes have also been included. The basis for this practice
seems to be that in an efficient nation there should be no room
for weak and frail people. It is evident from the many reports which
we are receiving that the people's feelings are being badly hurt
by the measures ordered and that the feeling of legal insecurity
is spreading which is regrettable from the point of view of national
and state interest.




-Danny Keren.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from MAIDANEK Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images

maidanek-01.jpg
Shoes of the victims piled up in Maidanek camp.

maidanek-02.jpg
Burned corpses of Maidanek inmates.

Maidanek_Crematorium.jpg
The crematorium in Maidanek.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 20 09:43:31 PDT 1996
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# The document Keren posted is a FORGERY.

No it's not. You still don't realize that the text you
attribute to me was written by "Beaulieu".

If you claim it's a "FORGERY", prove it.

# Nice try.   Not.

Learn to read. Otherwise, you'll end up an unemployed bum
like Giwer. Assuming you're not unemployed already.

# Dimwit.

You're really mad at having been born 50 years too late and
missing all the fun, huh?


-Danny Keren.

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For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

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# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




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Subject: SS-Standartenfuehrer Jager Reports: Five Months, 137,000 Murdered
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Among all the Nazi documents detailing dastardly acts of mass
murder and other forms of barbarism, the "Jager Report" is
perhaps one of the most horrifying.

Written by SS-Standartenfuehrer (Colonel) Jager, commander of one 
of the "Einsatzkommandos" (EK 3), it provides a very detailed,
blood-curling account of the murderous rampage of this "special
squad" in Nazi-occupied USSR. Usually, the figures for Jews who were
murdered by EK 3 are broken into "Jewish men", "Jewish women", and
"Jewish children".

To understand the magnitude of the massacres, note the total number 
of victims - 137,346. This is for one Einsatkommando, in a five month
period, in one area. This report reflects very clearly on the plan
to kill all the Jews, except those who were needed for working
purposes; those were, as the report notes, "only" to be sterilized;
Jager goes on to state that "if despite sterilization a Jewess
becomes pregnant she will be liquidated".


Detailed report by SS-Standartenfuehrer Jager about mass killings
in Nazi occupied USSR, July-November 1941
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, 
NY, 1988, p. 46-58].
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The Commander of
the security police and
the SD
Einsatzkommando 3     Kauen [Kaunas], 1 December 1941

--------------------------
|Secret Reich Business!  |             5 copies
--------------------------             4th copy

      Complete list of executions carried out in the EK 3 area
      up to 1 December 1941

Security police duties in Lithuania taken over by Einsatzkommando 3 on
2 July 1941.
(The Wilna [Vilnius] area was taken over by EK 3 on 9 Aug. 1941, the
Schaulen area on 2 Oct. 1941. Up until these dates EK 9 operated in
Wilna and EK 2 in Schaulen.)
On my instructions and orders the following executions were conducted by
Lithuanian partisans:

4.7.41       Kauen-Fort VII    416 Jews, 47  Jewesses                463
6.7.41       Kauen-Fort VII    Jews                                  2,514

Following the formation of a raiding squad under the command of
SS-Obersturmfuherer Hamman and 8-10 reliable men from the
Einsatzkommando. the following actions were conducted in cooperation
with Lithuanian partisans:

7.7.41       Mariampole        Jews                                  32
8.7.41       Mariampole        14 Jews, 5 Comm. officials            19
8.7.41       Girkalinei        Comm. officials                       6
9.7.41       Wendziogala       32 Jews, 2 Jewesses, 1 Lithuanian
                               (f.), 2 Lithuanian Comm., 1
                               Russian Comm.                         38
9.7.41       Kauen-Fort VII    21 Jews, 3 Jewesses                   24
14.7.41      Mariampole        21 Jews, 1 Russ., 9 Lith. Comm.       31
17.7.41      Babtei            8 Comm. officials (incl. 6 Jews)       8
18.7.41      Mariampole        39 Jews, 14 Jewesses                  53
19.7.41      Kauen-Fort VII    17 Jews, 2 Jewesses, 4 Lith.
                               Comm., 2 Comm. Lithuanians (f.),
                               1 German Comm.                        26
21.7.41      Panevezys         59 Jews, 11 Jewesses, 1
                               Lithuanian (f.), 1 Pole, 22 Lith.
                               Comm., 9 Russ. Comm.                  103
22.7.41      Panevezys         1 Jew                                 1
23.7.41      Kedainiai         83 Jews, 12 Jewesses, 14 Russ.
                               Comm., 15 Lith. Comm., 1 Russ.
                               O-Politruk                            125
25.7.41      Mariampole        90 Jews, 13 Jewesses                  103
28.7.41      Panevezys         234 Jews, 15 Jewesses, 19 Russ.
                               Comm., 20 Lith. Comm.                 288

                                      Total carried forward        3,384


Sheet 2
                                      Total carried over           3,384

29.7.41      Rasainiai         254 Jews, 3 Lith. Comm.               257
30.7.41      Agriogala         27 Jews, 11 Lith. Comm.               38
31.7.41      Utena             235 Jews, 16 Jewesses, 4 Lith.
                               Comm., 1 robber/murderer              256
31.7.41      Wendziogala       13 Jews, 2 murderers                  15
1.8.41       Ukmerge           254 Jews, 42 Jewesses, 1 Pol.
                               Comm., 2 Lith. NKVD agents, 1
                               mayor of Jonava who gave order
                               to set fire to Jonava                 300
2.8.41       Kauen-Fort IV     170 Jews, 1 US Jewess, 33 Jewesses,
                               4 Lith. Comm.                         209
4.8.41       Panevezys         362 Jews, 41 Jewesses, 5 Russ. Comm.,
                               14 Lith. Comm.                        422
5.8.41       Rasainiai         213 Jews, 66  Jewesses                279
7.8.41       Utena             483 Jews, 87 Jewesses, 1 Lithuanian
                               (robber of corpses of German soldiers)571
8.8.41       Ukmerge           620 Jews, 82 Jewesses                 702
9.8.41       Kauen-Fort IV     484 Jews, 50 Jewesses                 534
11.8.41      Panevezys         450 Jews, 48 Jewesses, 1 Lith. 1 Russ.500
13.8.41      Alytus            617 Jews, 100 Jewesses, 1 criminal    719
14.8.41      Jonava            497 Jews, 55 Jewesses                 552
15-16.8.41   Rokiskis          3,200 Jews, Jewesses, and J. Children,
                               5 Lith. Comm., 1 Pole, 1 partisan     3207
9-16.8.41    Rasainiai        294 Jewesses, 4 Jewish children       298
27.6-14.8.41 Rokiskis          493 Jews, 432 Russians, 56 Lithuanians
                               (all active communists)               981
18.8.41      Kauen-Fort IV     689  Jews, 402 Jewesses, 1 Pole (f.),
                               711 Jewish intellectuals from Ghetto
                               in reprisal for sabotage action       1,812
19.8.41      Ukmerge           298 Jews, 255 Jewesses, 1 Politruk,
                               88 Jewish children, 1 Russ. Comm.     645
22.8.41      Dunanburg          3 Russ. Comm., 5 Latvian, incl. 1
                               murderer, 1 Russ. Guardsman, 3 Poles,
                               3 gypsies (m.), 1 gypsy (f.), 1 gypsy
                               child, 1 Jew, 1 Jewess, 1 Armenian
                               (m.), 2 Politruks (prison inspection
                               in Dunanburg                          21


                                      Total carried forward        16,152


Sheet 3
                                      Total carried forward        16,152

22.8.41      Aglona            Mentally sick: 269 men, 227 women,
                               48 children                           544
23.8.41      Panevezys         1,312 Jews, 4,602 Jewesses, 1,609
                               Jewish children                       7,523
18-22.8.41   Kreis Rasainiai   466 Jews, 440 Jewesses, 1,020
                               Jewish children                       1,926
25.8.41      Obeliai           112 Jews, 627 Jewesses, 421
                               Jewish children                       1,160
25-26.8.41   Seduva            230 Jews, 275 Jewesses, 159
                               Jewish children                       664
26.8.41      Zarasai           767 Jews, 1,113 Jewesses, 1 Lith.
                               Comm., 687 Jewish children, 1 Russ.
                               Comm. (f.)                            2,569
28.8.41      Pasvalys          402 Jews, 738 Jewesses, 209
                               Jewish children                       1,349
26.8.41      Kaisiadorys       All Jews, Jewesses, and Jewish
                               children                              1,911
27.8.41      Prienai           All Jews, Jewesses, and Jewish
                               Children                              1,078
27.8.41      Dagda and         212 Jews, 4 Russ. POW's               216
             Kraslawa
27.8.41      Joniskia          47 Jews, 165 Jewesses, 143
                               Jewish children                       355
28.8.41      Wilkia            76 Jews, 192 Jewesses, 134
                               Jewish children                       402
28.8.41      Kedainiai         710 Jews, 767 Jewesses, 599
                               Jewish children                       2,076
29.8.41      Rumsiskis and     20 Jews, 567 Jewesses, 197
             Ziezmariai        Jewish children                       784
29.8.41      Utena and         582 Jews, 1,731 Jewesses, 1,469
             Moletai           Jewish children                       3,782
13-31.8.41   Alytus and
             environs          233 Jews                              233

1.9.41       Mariampole        1,763 Jews, 1,812 Jewesses, 1,404
                               Jewish children, 109 mentally sick,
                               1 German subject (f.), married to a
                               Jew, 1 Russian (f.)                   5090

                                      Total carried over           47,814


Sheet 4
                                      Total carried over           47,814

28.8-2.9.41  Darsuniskis       10 Jews, 69 Jewesses, 20
                               Jewish children                       99
             Carliava          73 Jews, 113 Jewesses, 61
                               Jewish children                       247
             Jonava            112 Jews, 1,200 Jewesses, 244
                               Jewish children                       1,556
             Petrasiunai       30 Jews, 72 Jewesses, 23
                               Jewish children                       125
             Jesuas            26 Jews, 72 Jewesses, 46
                               Jewish children                       144
             Agriogala          207 Jews, 260 Jewesses, 195
                               Jewish children                       662
             Jasvainai         86 Jews, 110 Jewesses, 86
                               Jewish children                       282
             Babtei            20 Jews, 41 Jewesses, 22
                               Jewish children                       83
             Wendziogala        42 Jews, 113 Jewesses, 97
                               Jewish children                       252
             Krakes            448 Jews, 476 Jewesses, 97
                               Jewish children                       1,125
4.9.41       Pravenischkis     247 Jews, 6 Jewesses                  253
             Cekiske           22 Jews, 64 Jewesses, 60
                               Jewish children                       146
             Seredsius         6 Jews, 61 Jewesses, 126
                               Jewish children                       193
             Velinona          2 Jews, 71 Jewesses, 86
                               Jewish children                       159
             Zapiskis          47 Jews, 118 Jewesses, 13
                               Jewish children                       178
5.9.41       Ukmerge           1,123 Jews, 1,849 Jewesses, 1,737
                               Jewish children                       4,709
25.8-6.9.41  Mopping up in:    16 Jews, 412 Jewesses, 415
             Rasainiai         Jewish children                       843
             Georgenburg       all Jews, all Jewesses, all
                               Jewish children                       412
9.9.41       Alytus            287 Jews, 640 Jewesses, 352
                               Jewish children                       1,279
9.9.41       Butrimonys        67 Jews, 370 Jewesses, 303
                               Jewish children                       740
10.9.41      Merkine           223 Jews, 640 Jewesses, 276
                               Jewish children                       854
10.9.41      Varena            541 Jews, 141 Jewesses, 149
                               Jewish children                       831
11.9.41      Leipalingis       60 Jews, 70 Jewesses, 25
                               Jewish children                       155
11.9.41      Seirijai          229 Jews, 384 Jewesses, 340
                               Jewish children                       953
12.9.41      Simnas            68 Jews, 197 Jewesses, 149
                               Jewish children                       414
11-12.9.41   Uzusalis          Reprisal against inhabitants who
                               fed Russ. partisans; some in
                               possession of weapons                  43
26.9.41      Kauen-F.IV        412 Jews, 615 Jewesses, 581
                               Jewish children (sick and
                               suspected epidemic cases)             1,608

                                      Total carries over           66,159


Sheet 5
                                      Total carried over           66,159

2.10.41      Zagare            633 Jews, 1,107 Jewesses, 496
                               Jewish children (as these Jews were
                               being led away a mutiny rose, which
                               was however immediately put down;
                               150 Jews were shot immediately; 7
                               partisans wounded)                    2,236
4.10.41      Kauen-F.IX        315 Jews, 712 Jewesses, 818
                               Jewish children (reprisal after
                               German police officer shot in ghetto) 1,845
29.10.41     Kauen-F.IX        2,007 Jews, 2,920 Jewesses, 4,273
                               Jewish children (mopping up ghetto
                               of superfluous Jews)                  9,200
3.11.41      Lazdijai          485 Jews, 511 Jewesses, 539
                               Jewish children                       1,535
15.11.41     Wilkowiski        36 Jews, 48 Jewesses, 31
                               Jewish children                       115
25.11.41     Kauen-F.IX        1,159 Jews, 1,600 Jewesses, 175
                               Jewish children (resettlers from
                               Berlin, Munich and Frankfurt am main) 2,934
29.11.41     Kauen-F.IX        693 Jews, 1,155 Jewesses, 152
                               Jewish children (resettlers from
                               from Vienna and Breslau)              2,000
29.11.41     Kauen-F.IX        17 Jews, 1 Jewess, for contravention
                               of ghetto law, 1 Reichs German who
                               converted to the Jewish faith and
                               attended rabbinical school, then 15
                               terrorists from the Kalinin group     34

EK 3 detachment in Dunanburg
in the period 13.7-21.8.41:    9,012 Jews, Jewesses and Jewish
                               children, 573 active Comm.            9,585

EK 3 detachment in Wilna:
12.8-1.9.41  City of Wilna     425 Jews, 19 Jewesses, 8 Comm. (m.),
                               9 Comm. (f.)                          461
2.9.41       City of Wilna     864 Jews, 2,019 Jewesses, 817
                               Jewish children (sonderaktion because
                               German soldiers shot at by Jews)      3,700

                                      Total carried forward        99,084


sheet 6

                                      Total carried forward        99,804

12.9.41      City of Wilna     993 Jews, 1,670 Jewesses, 771
                               Jewish children                       3,334
17.9.41      City of Wilna     337 Jews, 687 Jewesses, 247
                               Jewish children and 4 Lith. Comm.     1,271
20.9.41      Nemencing         128 Jews, 176 Jewesses, 99
                               Jewish children                       403
22.9.41      Novo-Wilejka      468 Jews, 495 Jewesses, 196
                               Jewish children                       1,159
24.9.41      Riess             512 Jews, 744 Jewesses, 511
                               Jewish children                       1,767
25.9.41      Jahiunai          215 Jews, 229 Jewesses, 131
                               Jewish children                       575
27.9.41      Eysisky           989 Jews, 1,636 Jewesses, 821
                               Jewish children                       3,446
30.9.41      Trakai            366 Jews, 483 Jewesses, 597
                               Jewish children                       1,446
4.10.41      City of Wilna     432 Jews, 1,115 Jewesses, 436
                               Jewish children                       1,983
6.10.41      Semiliski         213 Jews, 359 Jewesses, 390
                               Jewish children                       962
9.10.41      Svenciany         1,169 Jews, 1,840 Jewesses, 717
                               Jewish children                       3,726
16.10.41     City of Wilna     382 Jews, 507 Jewesses, 257
                               Jewish children                       1,146
21.10.41     City of Wilna     718 Jews, 1,063 Jewesses, 586
                               Jewish children                       2,367
25.10.41     City of Wilna     1,776 Jewesses, 812 Jewish children   2,578
27.10.41     City of Wilna     946 Jews, 184 Jewesses, 73
                               Jewish children                       1,203
30.10.41     City of Wilna     382 Jews, 789 Jewesses, 362
                               Jewish children                       1,553
6.11.41      City of Wilna     340 Jews, 749 Jewesses, 252
                               Jewish children                       1,341
19.11.41     City of Wilna     76 Jews, 77 Jewesses, 18
                               Jewish children                       171
19.11.41     City of Wilna     6 POW's, 8 Poles                      14
20.11.41     City of Wilna     3 POW's                               3
25.11.41     City of Wilna     9 Jews, 46 Jewesses, 8 Jewish
                               children, 1 Pole for possession of arms
                               and other military equipment          64

EK 3 detachment in Minsk from
28.9-17.10.41:

             Pleschnitza       620 Jews, 1,285 Jewesses,
             Bischolin         1,126 Jewish children and 19
             Scak              Comm.
             Bober
             Uzda                                                    3,050
                                                                     --------
                                                                     133,346
Prior to EK 3 taking over security police duties, Jews liquidated
by pogroms and executions (including partisans)                      4,000
                                                                  -----------
                                                             Total 137,346


Today I can confirm that our objective, to solve the Jewish problem for
Lithuania, has been achieved by EK 3. In Lithuania there are no more
Jews, apart from Jewish workers and their families.

 .
 .
 .

The distance between from the assembly point to the graves was on average
4 to 5 Km.

 .
 .
 .

I consider the Jewish action more or less terminated as far as
Einsatzkommando 3 is concerned. Those working Jews and Jewesses still
available are needed urgently and I can envisage that after the winter
this workforce will be required even more urgently. I am of the view
that the sterilization program of the male worker Jews should be
started immediately so that reproduction is prevented. If despite
sterilization a Jewess becomes pregnant she will be liquidated.

 .
 .
 .

(signed) Jager
SS-Standartenfuehrer




-Danny Keren.



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Ilya Ehrenburg?


-Danny Keren.



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Subject: Photographs: EINSATZGRUPPEN Massacres
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

eg-01.jpg, eg-02.jpg, eg-03.jpg, eg-04.jpg, eg-05.jpg
Einsatzgruppen massacres in Nazi-occupied USSR.

eg-06.jpg
Pyre of corpses ready to be set on fire.

eg-07.jpg
Mass grave.

eg-map.jpg
Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied 
Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action
unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. Includes figures of
Jews murdered by the Einsatzgruppen.

report-51.jpg
Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during 4 
months in 1942.


-Danny Keren.



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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
 
# Hmmmm.  Not at all, the SS themselves executed Goeth,
 
No, you "revisionist scholar" you. The Poles hanged the
bastard, not the SS.
 
 
-Danny Keren.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: German Priests Protest the Nazi Murder of the Insane, II
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Letter from Dr. Hilfrich, Bishop of Limburg, to the Reich Minister of
Justice, August 13 1941 
[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. I, p. 845-846]
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Regarding the report submitted on July 16 by the Chairman of the Fulda
Bishops' conference, Cardinal Dr. Bertram, I consider it my duty to
present the following as a concrete illustration of destruction of
so-called "useless life".

About 8 Kilometers from Limburg in the little town of Hadamar, on a
hill overlooking the town, there is an institution which had formerly
served various purposes and of late had been used as a nursing home.
This institution was renovated and furnished as a place in which, by
consensus of opinion, the above mentioned Euthanasia has been
systematically practiced for months- approximately since February
1941. This fact is, of course, known beyond the administrative
district of Wiesbaden...

Several times a week buses arrive in Hadamard with a considerable
number of such victims. School children of the vicinity know this
vehicle and say "here comes the murder-box again". After the arrival
of the vehicle, the citizens of Hadamar watch the smoke rise out of
the chimney...

The effect of the principles at work here that children call each
other names and say "you're crazy; you'll be sent to the baking oven
in Hadamar"...

All God-fearing man consider this destruction of helpless beings a
crass injustice...

Officials of the State Police, it is said, are trying to suppress
discussions of the Hadamar occurrences by means of severe threats...

I beg you most humbly, Herr Reich Minister, in the sense of the report
of the Episcopate of 16 July of this year, to prevent further
transgressions of the Fifth Commandment of God.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 21 09:22:58 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# The SS trying and then executing their own soldiers for
# mistreating Jews?  

No. Rascher was executed for illegal adoption. Goeth was not
executed by the SS, but by the Poles, after the war. Koch and
others were punished for theft. "rblackmore" is, again, lying
through his teeth, and an idiot like yourself takes what he
write as the scared truth.

# Why, that would have hardly been necessary if the Nazi goal
# was to KILL them all.  The man would have been awarded a Nazi
# medal instead of being executed!  

Indeed, they were awarded medals:

Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of 
concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14 
November 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 99]
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The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending
the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be
specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general,
routine reason should be given.



# Holocaust bullshit.

You ignorant Nazi clown. You have no more an idea about the history of
WW2 than Matt Giwer has about finding a job.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 21 16:26:42 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Why So Many Crematoriums?
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Jeffrey  writes:

# Auschwitz-Birkenau had 46 retorts,  in 2 large crematoriums,
# and 2 smaller ones. Auschwitz 1 had 6 retorts.

This is actually true.

# A over-estimate.
# Ivan Lagace who was given expert status at the Zundel trial
# stated the 46 retorts could cremate a max number of 184 a day.

See http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Legace's figure is an underestimate by a factor of more than
10. He bases this "estimate" on his truly amazing theory,
namely, that if corpses are inserted into a hot furnace, they
may explode like a napalm bomb and burn the crematory down;
thus, he argues, there would have to be long "cooling down"
periods between cremations.

Heck, just take a look at the cremation site web page. They
say that the first cremation of the day takes them about
2 hours, and the second about an hour, as the furnace is
already hot. I guess they never heard of Legace's theory.

His estimate also contradicts all the documentation we have,
as well as the patent submitted by Topf (which built the furnaces)
after the war.

The only explanation is that the crematoriums were designed
and built to dispose of a huge amount of corpses. And no
one would put so much effort into building them unless he
was planning to kill a huge number of people, which is exactly
what the SS did in Auschwitz-Birkenau.


-Danny Keren.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: IRVING TO CHALLENGE HOLOCAUST HATE PROPAGANDISTS
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Jeffrey  writes:

# (The Polish authorities have since admitted that the
# structure in question was built in 1948).
#
# David Irving
# London W1

Perhaps this "revisionist scholar" will explain how come there
are still cyanide compounds on the walls of the gas chamber, if
it was "built in 1948"?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 21 16:26:43 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes:

# Actually, I am incorrect.  The figure per crematoria is
# closer to 1,000,000 Reichmarks for total construction.

But the price of converting LK1 into a gas chamber was
much smaller, of course. All they had to do was drill
holes in the roof, add a gas-tight door, and the
introduction devices.

# Why spend approximately 2,000,000 RM on a system which
# only increased  the cremation capacity slightly (25%)
# over a proven Treblinka style pitcremation method ?

Probably because they wanted to kill far more people. But
your point is moot; the Kremas were built. You don't deny
that, do you?

# Of course, you do raise an interesting point:
# Are gas chambers hard to build or easy to build?

They are quite easy to build. All you need is a gas-tight
room with a strong gas-tight door, and a simple mechanism to
introduce Zyklon-B. You don't even have to install a
ventilation system, if the gas chamber is above ground level
and you have, say, two or three doors to allow faster
natural ventilation.

It's certainly much, much easier than building U-boats and rockets
that made it all the way to London.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 21 17:44:30 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Hoess Testimony BITES THE DUST!!!!
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Hoess writes the Sonderkommando went to work to remove bodies
# after the gassing, "immediately" (no airing out!)

Liar. He explicitly says that ventilation was used.

# Hoess admits he was "assigned" to write the
# "extemporaneous" memoirs!

And the Soviets and the Poles also told him to write that
their estimate for the number of victims is three time more
than the real number? Now why would they "force him" to write
something like that?

And why would they "force him" to write that the
Polish and Soviet POW's behaved in a despicable manner
among themselves?

Surely, even someone like you must be able to see that it
makes no sense?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 21 23:09:03 PDT 1996
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
# in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.

How odd, especially since the Frank-Gricksch report, written
in mid-1943, states that 500,000 Jews were already killed
in the camp.

It was explained to you dozens of times that not only are
these death lists partial, they only cover those who died
after being admitted into the camp and given a serial
number. Those who were selected as "unfit for work", and
murdered upon arrival, were not given a serial number
and their names were not written down; it would have
been a complete waste of time to write down the name
of someone who was going to be dead in an hour or so,
and to tattoo him/her with a serial number.

Is it *so* difficult to understand?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 22 09:37:06 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: THE SEARCH IS STILL ON
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Our "revisionist scholars" are still on a search mission.

They still have to find *one* single person who was in the
death camps during WW2, and who supports their "version"
of what happened there.

Everybody we know of, of course, says exactly the opposite
of what the "revisionists" say.

Everybody - German, Jew, Ukrainian - who was in Treblinka,
Belzec, Sobibor, and Chelmno, says that these were death 
camps.

Everybody who was in the crematorium section of Birkenau 
says that mass extermination of human beings took place
there.

If, say, half the witnesses supported the "revisionist" 
version, they would have something.

If it was 25% of the witnesses, that would still be something.

If it was 10%, that would be pretty weak.

If it was 5%, their position would have been ridiculous.

But... 0%? Not ONE person, one witness, who supports their
version? This is beyond the ridiculous. It is an indicator
of a serious medical problem affecting out "revisionists".


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 22 19:04:59 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642.jpg

and

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
brack-to-himmler-0642-2.jpg

Two pages of a letter from Victor Brack to Reichsfuehrer 
Himmler, suggesting not to kill all Jews, but spare 20-30 
percent for forced labor, while sterilizing them.

Translation of the relevant excerpt is in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/
brack-to-himmler-062342


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 22 23:07:47 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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Professor Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Waffen-SS hygienist, on a gassing 
at Belzec
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 238-244]
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When I am asked about executions of Jews I must confirm that on 19 August
1942 I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp. I
would like to describe how I came to be there. During my conversations
with SS-Brigadefuehrer Globocnik, he told me about the large
spinning-mills that he had set up in Belzec. He also mentioned that
work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production. When
I asked him where the spinning materials came from, he told me proudly
that they had come from the Jews. At this point he also mentioned the
extermination actions against the Jews, who for the most part were
killed at the the camp at Belzec...

During this first visit I was taken to around by a certain
Polizieihauptmann named Wirth, who also showed and explained to me the
extermination installations at the camp. He told me that the following
morning a new transport of about 500 Jews would be arriving at the
camp who would be channeled through these extermination chambers. He
asked me whether I would like to watch one of these extermination
actions, to which, after a great deal of reflection, I consented. I
planned to submit a report to the Reichsarzt-SS about the
extermination actions. In order to write a report I had, however,
first to observe an action with my own eyes. I remained in the camp,
spent the night there and was witness to the following events the next
morning.

A goods train traveled directly into the camp of Belzec, the freight
cars were opened and Jews whom I believe were from the area of Romania
or Hungary were unloaded. The cars were crammed fairly full. There
were men, women and children of every age. They were ordered to get
into line and then had to proceed to an assembly area and take off
their shoes...

After the Jews had removed their shoes they were separated by sex. The
women went together with the children into a hut. There their hair was
shorn and they had to get undressed... The men went into another hut,
where they received the same treatment. I saw what happened in the
women's hut with my own eyes. After they had undressed, the whole
procedure went fairly quickly. They ran naked from the hut through a
hedge into the actual extermination centre. The whole extermination
centre looked just like a normal delousing institution. In front of
the building there were pots of geraniums and a sign saying "Hackenholt
Foundation", above which there was a star of David. The building was
brightly and pleasantly painted so as not to suggest people would be
killed here...

Inside the buildings, the Jews had to enter chambers into which was
channeled the exhaust of a [100(?)]-HP engine, located in the same
building. In it there were six such extermination chambers. They were
windowless, had electric lights and two doors. One door led outside so
that the bodies could be removed.  People were led from a corridor
into the chambers through an ordinary air-tight door with bolts. There
was a glass peep-hole, as I recall, next to the door in the wall.
Through this window one could watch what was happening inside the room
but only when it was not too full of people. After a short time the
glass became steamed up. When the people had been locked in the room
the motor was switched on and then I suppose the stop-valves or vents
to the chambers opened.  Whether they were stop-valves or vents I
would not like to say. It is possible that the pipe led led directly
to the chambers. Once the engine was running, the light in the
chambers was switched off. This was followed by palpable disquiet in
the chamber. In my view it was only then that the people sensed
something else was in store for them. It seemed to me that behind the
thick walls and door they were praying and shouting for help.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 22 23:07:48 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser Surveys Belzec's History
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SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230]
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The camp of Belzec was situated north-east of the Tomaszo'w to Lemberg
[Lvov] road beyond the village of Belzec. As the camp needed a siding
for the arriving transports the camp was built about 400 meters from
Belzec station. The camp itself was divided into two sections: section
1 and section 2. The siding led directly from Belzec station into
section 2 of the camp, in which the undressing barracks as well as the
gas installations and the burial field were situated...

The gassing of Jews which took place in Belzec camp up till 1 August
1942 can be divided into two phases. During the first series of
experiments there were two to three transports consisting of four to
six freight cars each holding twenty to forty persons. On the average
150 Jews were delivered and killed per transport. At that stage the
gassings were not yet part of a systematic eradication action but were
carried out to test and study closely the camp's capacity and the
technical problems involved in carrying out a gassing...

At the beginning of May 1942 SS-Oberfuehrer Brack from the Fuehrer's
chancellery suddenly came to Lublin. With Globocnik he discussed
resuming the extermination of the Jews. Globocnik said he had too few
people to carry out this programme. Brack stated that the euthanasia
programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be
detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the
Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would
not be possible for the Einsatzgruppen to clear individual areas of
Jews and the people in the large ghettos of Warsaw and Lemberg by
shooting them, the decision had been taken to set up two further
extermination camps which would be ready by 1 August 1942, namely
Treblinka and Sobibor. The large-scale extermination programme 
[Vernichtungsaktion] was due to start on 1 August 1942.

About a week after Brack had come to Globocnik, Wirth and his staff
returned to Belzec. The second series of experiments went on until
1 August 1942. During this period a total of five to six transports
(as far as I am aware) consisting of five to seven freight cars
containing thirty to forty people came to Belzec. The Jews from two
of these transports were gassed in the small chamber, but then Wirth
had the gas huts pulled down and built a massive new building with a 
much larger capacity. It was here that the Jews from the rest of the
transport were gassed.

During the first experiments and the first set of transports in the
second series of experiments bottled gas was still used for gassing;
however, for the last transports of the second series of experiments
the Jews were killed with the exhaust gases from a tank or lorry
engine which was operated by Hackenholt.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 22 23:07:49 PDT 1996
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# Faurisson drew the world's attention to the fact that there
# exists no forensic proof to show that Jews were gassed by
# the hundreds of thousands at Auschwitz or anywhere else,

There is such proof - the cyanide compounds on the walls of the
gas chambers.

You want something for which there is no forensic proof? Look
at the alleged bombing of Dresden. If you have any forensic
proof that the city was bombed, let's see it.

Faurisson is not only an extremely dishonest and stupid
person, he also knows nothing whatsoever about science or
about the scientific method. He used to teach French literature.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 23 07:44:12 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# I do not believe that anybody were gassed.

You also don't believe that it's possible to cremate many
corpses in a continuous fashion, because they would "explode"
inside the cremation furnaces (so you said).

You also want to arrest, torture and deport Danish citizens,
because you don't like the color of their skin. You said so
yourself, on this group, many times.

Now, that we have established that you're a racist scumbag,
and crazy as well, let's look at your claim above, namely,
"I do not believe that anybody were gassed".

What can one say? So you don't believe it. Fine. Everybody who
was in the extermination centers says it happened. There are
documents that prove it happened. There are cyanide traces
on the walls of the gas chambers that used cyanide. Many
people saw it and testified about it. Millions of people were
sent to these camps and have vanished. In some of these camps,
huge amounts of human remains were found. The amount of cremation
furnaces built in the largest of these camps is about 20 times
higher than what would have been necessary to deal with deaths
of ordinary causes.

So, Kreiberg, we have to contrast all this with a blank "I don't
believe it happened", uttered by a racist swine such as yourself,
who obviously cannot think rationally ("exploding corpses" etc).

What should we do?


-Danny Keren.

PS - And, do me one favor: leave out the mandatory "if you
     ever come to Denmark I'll sue you". Kinda boring already.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 23 07:44:13 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# This is an outright slander. You know that I have never
# talked about torturing anybody.

What about the following? This is not torture? Arresting people,
locking them in camps, and treating them in such a way that
"will inspire them to leave the country as quick as possible"?

This is not torture? F**k you and the horse you rode on, you
damned swine!

 From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 13 15:02:39 EDT 1996
 Article: 111755 of alt.revisionism
 
# Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some
# people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer
# qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been
# granted a residence permit they will have their status changed
# to illegal aliens and then treated accordingly.
 
 From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 20 14:57:46 EDT 1996
 Article: 113212 of alt.revisionism
 
# However, these camps are supposed to inspire it's inmates
# to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they
# should of course not be too attractive.
 


# You claim that the alleged gaschambers were shown to the prisoners. 

Not to all prisoners, but to those who had to work in them, the
so-called "sonderkommando" who had to take out the corpses and
burn them. Some of them survived.

# Even most of the Germans working there were not shown the 
# alleged gaschambers.

But enough of them saw the gas chambers, built the gas chambers,
operated the gas chambers, and testified about the gas chambers.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 23 13:22:35 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Why So Many Crematoriums?
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Jeffrey  writes:
# Mark Van-Alstine writes:

# But testimony under OATH of Ivan Lagace, a witness, declared
# of "expert status"  at the Zundel trial, who declared it to be
# 184 a day.

This guy must be one of the craziest "revisionists" around. He
said that a furnace could cremate only 4 corpses a day, because
long "cooling periods" are needed between cremations, otherwise,
get this, corpses inserted into a hot furnace might ignite
like a napalm bomb and burn the crematory down. I'm not
inventing this; he really did say that.

The guy's crazy. Ask any crematoria operator about this
theory. Look at the web page of the cremation society. They
explicitly say that continuous cremation allows to cremate
corpses in half the time, because the furnace is already hot.

## The Auschwitz SS themselves estimated that the capacity of the
## crematorien was on the order of 4,500 corspes per 24 hour period.

# Totally impossible, just rubbish. Give me a reference?

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 23 13:22:36 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Nope!  There existed certain SS officers who were
# executed SOLEY on the basis of mistreating Jewish
# inmates alone.

Name them. All those given by "rblackmore" were executed for
other reasons. One of them, Goeth, which "rblackmore" claimed
was executed by the SS, was actually tried and executed by
the Poles after the war.


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 23 13:22:37 PDT 1996
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Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes:

# The point is NOT moot.  If you believe in the
# pit cremation stories then there is NO NEED for
# the Crematorium.  Why not just dig another pit?

First, let us note that you are evading the question:
why did they build 20 times more cremation furnaces
in Auschwitz-Birkenau than a "work camp" would have
required?

# If you believe that 100% of the bodies at Treblinka
# were "pit cremated" , and 100% of the bodies at
# Sobibor were pit cremated, and 75% of the bodies
# at Birkenau were pit cremated;

Not 75%; much less.

# then the building of 2,000,000 RM  buildings MAKES NO SENSE.

You are confusing the price of the entire buildings
with the price of the furnaces. The gas chambers - very
large ones - had to be built anyway, no matter how you
would dispose of the corpses. In "Anatomy of a Death
Camp", p. 222, we see that an eight-muffle furnace cost
13,000 RM. That's much, much less than the price of
the whole crematorium; so your major argument is void.

Now, why didn't they use (only) cremation ditches in
Birkenau as well? Good question, actually. Possibly,
because they didn't know in advance how efficient the
ditches would be. Possibly, because digging the ditches,
and always collecting all that wood and fuel refuse to
burn the corpses, seemed rather cumbersome to them. But,
I can't tell; I didn't design the kremas. There may be
testimony by those who made the decision, but I am not
aware of it.

# Of course,  your view raises a serious question,
# if gas chambers "are quite easy to build" then
# why ship people all the way from Greece to
# Birkenau to kill them?

To the best of my knowledge, the answer is very simple:
if people know they are being led to their death, they
may revolt. They may run away and hide. The attempt to
use gas chambers for the mass murder of the mentally retarded
and insane Germans (the "euthanasia" murders), caused
problems: the local German population learned of what
was going on, and screamed bloody murder. It would not
have been easy to, say, build a few gas chambers right
outside of Paris and kill the French Jews there. Rumors
would travel around, and the Jews would start to escape
and rebel, just like they did in the Warsaw Ghetto;
and one thing the Nazis surely didn't want was another
such uprising.

# Why then did the Germans build the alleged
# gas chambers UNDERGROUND?  This made an
# expensive ventilation system necessary and
# lead to a longer ventilation time.

Remember that the gas chambers of Kremas IV and V
were above ground.

The ventilation system was not that expensive. On p.
233 of "Anatomy" we see that the offer for the Krema
IV and V ventilation systems was for 2,510 RM.

# Why not a nice big shed with two or three doors?

It's very possible that Pressac is right, and that the
gas chambers of Kremas II and III were planned as morgues,
and then converted to gas chambers. But, again, your
point is moot, because they *did* build them. What
for, do you suggest, did they built them?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 23 14:16:08 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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Hardwire  writes:

[About Matt Giwer]

# Yes, he was.  Thanks to you and those like you.
#
# It must be nice to be able to post whatever you like, and
# deny those others with differing opinions by forcing them
# off of their providers through repeated complaints to
# their ISP.

Oh, for God's sake. His account was revoked because he
posted numerous forgeries, made to appear as if posted by
me and other readers of the group. Don't tell me you missed
those hundreds of forgeries? I can post some, if you wish.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 24 08:19:33 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 961023: Fires in California
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) writes:

[About the bombing of a German city]

# Above the sea of flames, a glowing cyclone raged over the town;  
# and whenever it caught the bodies of people in flight, it
# shriveled them in a second to the size of a child, and the next
# day they lay all over the streets, hardly burnt, but like 
# mummified children."
#
# So now you know where the pictures of the "Holocaust piles"
# of dead people come from.

Ingrid, have you totally and completely flipped?

You're suggesting the Allies took these "mummified" corpses from
German cities and put them in Belsen?

I guess you also believe in Zundel's UFO theories?

# Ingrid

Get a grip, Ingrid. You're really losing it. You were slightly
wacko to begin with, and this work with Zundel surely didn't help.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 24 08:49:35 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Mr. Blackmore jails Suchomel!
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

[After stupidly claiming that the SS-man from Treblinka,
Franz Suchomel, was in jail when interviewed for "Shoa"]

Suchomel was sentenced in 1965 for 7 years in a German prison.

Is he still alive? Frankly I don't know. If he's alive,
he must be pretty old. You may want to check on Kurt
Franz, who was Stangl's deputy in the camp; the Germans
released him about 3 years ago. If alive, he, too, is
very old.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 25 09:00:47 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Kreiberg's Lame Nazi Apologetics (Re: THE FATE OF 
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) posts some more lame,
Nazi-apologetic rubbish:

# It is true that a lot of prisoners in the German concentrations
# camps died of disease and malnutrition toward the end of the war.

And

# Starvation and epidemics often accompany the chaos created
# by wars.

Unfortunately for this line of reasoning, the following
facts are true:

1) The death rate at the "work camps" was enormous long
   before the end of the war:

Death rate in the "work camps", long before the end of the war
(source: letter from Pohl to Himmler, "Trials Of War Criminals"
(green) series, Vol. V, p. 379.

In July 1942, the death rate was 8.5 percent.
In August 1942, the death rate was 10.6 percent.
In September 1942, the death rate was 10.2 percent.

Remember, that's about 10 percent dying *every month*.

2) Other groups of prisoners, who were not regarded as
   "sub-humans" by the Nazis, and who were not to be
   exterminated by them, did much better than the Jewish
   inmates in the "work camps": about 3% of Allied POW's
   died in Nazi captivity. This proves that the mass death
   of the Jewish inmates was not accidental and could have
   been prevented.

3) Leading Nazis, such as Hans Frank, have stated long before
   the end of the war that Jews will be starved to death.

4) There were huge amounts of food at the vicinity of the
   camps; it was simply not given to the inmates.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

buchenwald04.jpg:
German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
well-dressed and well-fed they are.

In other words, nazi-boy, your lame attempt to excuse the
Nazi mass murder of innocent people has, again, miserably
failed. But do not feel so bad: even someone much smarter
than you would have failed.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 25 09:00:47 PDT 1996
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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

# I'm sure that Gord or Danny can fill in the exact context.

You said it all. The "revisionists" claimed it's
impossible to burn corpses as was done in Auschwitz
and Treblinka. The Dresden photo shows that huge
numbers of corpses can be burned that way. As a matter
of fact, I will not be surprised to learn that, when
they had to burn the corpses in Dresden, those in
charge consulted the SS experts on this - such as Blobel.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 25 09:00:48 PDT 1996
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[Attributions are mixed, I can't say who posted this]

# Yes & tell me all the storys about how so many Isreali
# citiznes were gassed during the GulfWar I??  It is amazing
# how many claim they were

You can surely name one of them... right?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 25 09:00:49 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Mike Curtis's "Gas Chambers"
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# The only "fact" that exists is that Dachau possessed
# delousing chambers and crematoria, just like every other KZ.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher2.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, 
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat 
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation 
courtesy of John Morris.

  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."

  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 25 14:09:29 PDT 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Mike Curtis's "Gas Chambers"
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# I have responded to this-and I do not lie.

Of course you lie. You lie very often. One of your recent
lies was that the SS executed Rascher and Goeth because
they abused inmates.

Goeth was executed by the Poles, after the war, and not
by the SS.

Rascher was executed because of illegal adoption. For a few
years, he conducted cruel medical experiments on Dachau
inmates, during which many died. He wrote long and detailed
reports on these experiments. No one stopped him or punished
him for doing this.

You have blatantly lied about these two people, in order to
try and make it look as if the SS punished them for killing
inmates.

You're a cheap, lying, Nazi propagandist. 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 26 14:46:18 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis's "Gas Chambers"
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# The only "fact" that exists is that Dachau possessed
# delousing chambers and crematoria, just like every other KZ.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images

dachau01.jpg
Corpses of the inmates.

dachau02.jpg, dachau03.jpg:
Mass graves of murdered inmates near Dachau.

dachau04.jpg
Letter about conducting medical experiments in Dachau.

MedExp02.jpg
An inmate subjected to low-pressure experiment in Dachau.

MedExp04.jpg
An inmate subjected to freezing experiment in Dachau.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 11:34:17 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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rblackmore@juno.com whines:

# What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
# that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
# the inscription.

So, when a Holocaust survivor errs by two weeks when
giving the date of something that happened two years
ago, our lame Nazi apologist "rblackmore" immediately
decides that he/she is a liar, and starts calling them
infantile names such as "Bimbo", etc.

But when the scumbag, lying Nazi-apologist makes a mistake,
it is, of course, only a "human error".

And the scumbag is, after all, in a much better position
to get the facts right. He is not starved. He is not
freezing. He is not at the mercy of armed brutes who
consider him to be a "sub-human" and who are willing
to bash his head in for the smallest - true or imaginary -
"offense".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 11:34:18 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) writes:

# That may be true but it doesn't answer the question
# about why Krema II and III's alleged gaschambers were
# UNDERGROUND.

Again: I am not a mind reader, and I can't tell what,
exactly, went in the mind of the planners. Possibly Pressac
is right, and they were planned first as morgues and then
converted to gas chambers.

One place to look at may be the trial of Dejaco and
Ertl, who were among the designers of the Kremas. The
trial took place in Vienna in 1972.

# The Leichenkeller 1s were built to tie in with the
# operating schedule of the crematorium.

What about the LK 2s? What do you suggest they were for?

Also, can you give any explanation as to why a "work camp"
needed such an enormous morgue space? Not only the two
LK 1s, but the morgues in Kremas IV and V?

# In its operatation period of 12 hours K.II could probably
# have dealt with around 1,200 bodies.

Can you explain why a "work camp" needed such cremation
capacity? And you're talking about ONE crematorium?

# However,  Crematoria do NOT smoke when running.

I am hardly sure of that. There's a photo of smoke
rising from the Hadamar crematorium, and the smoke is
mentioned not only by witnesses but in Nazi correspondences.

I guess modern crematoriums differ in that a maximal effort
is made to prevent smoke from the chimney, for obvious reasons.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 11:34:19 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Also, Konrad Morgen testified over 200 Germans were
# convicted for mistreating Jewish inmates,

Dr. Morgen is not a witness you want to use. He testified at
length about the mass murder in the gas chambers, both at
Nuremberg and at the 1963 Frankfurt Trial. He did try to
stop the *arbitrary* murders in Auschwitz, by trying to
prosecute Grabner for killing 2,000 people that *he was
not supposed to kill*, as they were murdered *outside
the scope of the extermination operation*, as Morgen
said. Anyway, Mueller stopped all proceedings against
Grabner.

# and a few commandants were even executed.

kurtzi, I'm still waiting for the name of one camp
commandant who was executed by the SS for killing Jews.

The large majority, as far as I know, were tried for corruption
and for looting the property of the victims, not for murder.

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!

kurtzi! You saved me the effort of doing CTRL-R and including
your famous quote myself. Thanks.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 16:29:14 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from MAIDANEK Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images

maidanek-01.jpg
Shoes of the victims piled up in Maidanek camp.

maidanek-02.jpg
Burned corpses of Maidanek inmates.

Maidanek_Crematorium.jpg
The crematorium in Maidanek.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 17:51:45 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Dr. Leidig Testifies About Sachsenhausen
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Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig, testifying about one of the first 
gassings in Sachsenhausen, in which Soviet POW's were murdered
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 54]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I was told that the people who had climbed into the truck were
Russians who would otherwise have had to be shot. They were looking
for a different way of killing them. We then went to another place,
where we met the truck again. It was near the crematory oven. I can
still remember that one could see through a peephole or a small
window into the inside of the truck, which was lit up. One could see
that the people were dead.  The van was opened. Some bodies fell
out; the others were unloaded by prisoners. Those of us who were
chemists could ascertain that the bodies had that pinkish look which
is typical of victims of carbon monoxide poisoning.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 23:06:52 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Murder Of American POW's in Mauthausen
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Quoted from Evelyn Le Chene's "Mauthausen", p. 127:

 "In April 1945, nine American airmen were shot down. Four of
them were brought to the camp in a large staff car. They were
also made to stand against the wall and were interrogated by
about fifteen SS-men. One fell dead at their feet; the other
three were shot at the entrance to the crematorium".

 "The crews baled out and some were shot while descending.
Thirty-six airmen were brought to Mauthausen and interrogated
in the bunker. Later, all were taken away by Wehrmacht 
officers. Five bodies of this group were brought back to
Mauthausen for cremation. Nothing is known of what happened
to the remaining thirty-one".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 23:06:52 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Dr. Becker Implements National Socialism
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Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by
putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and
two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm
houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only
the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death
van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the
van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even
camouflaged...

Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men
were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should
not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would
escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following
to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the
application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention
of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological
injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have
for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men
complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading.
Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are
afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to
flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be
issued accordingly.

The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to
come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator
to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer
death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My
directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers
death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted
faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer
noticed.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 23:06:53 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from NORDHAUSEN Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images

nordhausen-01.jpg, nordhausen02.jpg:

Murdered inmates.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 27 23:06:54 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes:

# Remember that Kremas II and III at Birkenau were
# built in March and June of 1943 respectively.

Can you tell the difference between "built" and
"completed"?

# The question becomes, why spend two million Reichmarks
# and six  months on building two Crematorium which only
# increases your "capacity" 25% when it is possible to reach
# the same end immediately (and for free) by digging another
# pit?

Yet again, you're confusing the price of the whole
crematorium with the price of the cremation furnaces,
which was much lower. I posted the figures yesterday,
Why did you ignore them?

The gas chambers had to be built anyway, no matter how
the corpses were to be burned.

# In that context the capcity of the two Krema is in-line
# with the total need of the Auschwitz Birkenau complex

No, it's about 20 times higher. Basic arithmetic. Nothing
you can do about it. You can't "revise" the laws of
arithmetic. I know Bradley Smith tried. It didn't work.

# Revisionists claim that Kremas II and III were
# built as a result of the typhus outbreaks in
# Auschwitz/Birkenau in the summers of 1941 and 1942.

This is ridiculous. No one builds so many crematoriums
unless he's expecting huge numbers of people to die,
over a long period of time.

Try to think. If you have this camp in which you're
expecting mass death from "typhus", why would you
keep sending so many people there?

Is there a document that states the Kremas were built
for disposing of corpses of inmates who died of "typhus"?
I am not aware of such a document. The only document I
know of which gives a reason for the construction of
the Kremas, states that they have to be built immediately
to "deal with the situation caused by the special actions".

"Special action" means murder, as numerous sources,
including the following letter between two top SS-officers,
proves:

Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of
concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14
November 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 99]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending
the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be
specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general,
routine reason should be given.



# The projected capacity of Kremas II and III
# was in line with the projected increase in
# camp population

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Some "increase in camp population", huh?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 28 11:03:11 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher's Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

[About the murderous "medical experiments" in Dachau]

# I am not sure whether the details are correct, but these
# experiments were conducted with the purpose in mind of saving
# human lives.

Hold it right there, nazi-boy. These experiments were concerned
not with saving human lives in general, but only with saving
German pilots who had to eject from their planes. The low-pressure
experiments were conducted in order to test at which height
can a pilot eject and survive; the freezing experiments
were conducted in order to study what happens to pilots
who had to eject over the frozen North Sea.

# The subjects were either criminals condemned to death or
# volunteers, I believe.

Indeed, one of Rascher's reports mentions that the "experimental
subjects" were "Jews who had practiced racial pollution". For
him, and for you, this was obviously a "crime", for which they
deserved to be tortured to death in the most cruel way possible.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 28 11:20:13 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: MEQ #8 : Pact with the devil
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bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay) write:

[...]

# [A letter from Avraham 'Yair' Stern to Nazi Germany,
# late 1940.]

For fairness' sake, it should be pointed out that this was
before any mass killing of Jews by the Nazis began.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 28 12:52:25 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes:

# Why do you say that?  I have NOT seen any analysis but
# have relied on the stories of massive pit burnings.

Massive, yes, but I've seen no indication that it accounted
for 75% of the corpses in Auschwitz-Birkenau.

# Except that by January 1943 they had the experience
# of Treblinka, Sobibor behind them.

I don't recall offhand when the burning of the corpses
in Treblinka began; I'm not sure if it was January 1943
or later. Anyway, the planning of the Kremas goes back
to 1942.

# I do not know if this is "official"
# Holocaust history or not. or what is the offical position
# on how the 900,000 bodies at Treblinka were burned.
# Clearly, if Treblinka  was "efficient" or cheap (just
# using camp labor) then that should have been the
# method used at Auschwitz two years later.

Wood and petrol refuse were needed to burn the corpses
in the ditches. It's hard to tell just how much was used,
and, it is possible that this method was more efficient
than cremations. But we know that the crematoriums, because
of the continuous cremation, required a relatively small
amount of coke (see
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
Coke_Consumption.jpg).

It's hard to tell; maybe it was more efficient to use
pyres in Auschwitz. So, it will prove that the SS wasn't
absolutely and completely one-hundred-percent efficient.

Neither was the German Army. Neither is any organization.

Had Germany waited for a few years, and developed nuclear
weapons before the rest of the world, we would all be
singing the "Horest Wessel" every morning. Nobody's perfect.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 28 18:31:40 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from BELSEN Camp
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 28 22:54:35 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from THEKLA Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images

Thekla1.jpg, Thekla2.jpg, Thekla3.jpg:

The Thekla atrocity: inmates burned alive by the Nazis.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 28 22:54:36 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: One More Time: Holocaust Proof
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Greg Raven  writes:

# We know the delausing chambers existed, and we know how
# they functioned. We are still awaiting proof of the
# existence of a Nazi gas chamber for homicidal purposes.

Numerous such proofs were presented, and are posted here
every day. They include forensic evidence, documents,
and witness testimony.

To understand what drives Greg Raven, just read what he
has to say about Adolf Hitler.


 
 Category 15,  Topic 4
 Message 33        Fri Mar 13, 1992
 G.RAVEN                      at 03:02 EST
 
My only concern is in going after the facts. As such, I am not 
interested in defending Adolf Hitler to my dying breath. I will say,
however, that he was a great man ... certainly greater than
Churchill and FDR put together, and possibly the greatest leader of 
our century, if not longer. This is not to say that he was perfect, 
but he about the best thing that could have happened to Germany.




-Danny Keren.





From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 28 23:05:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs: EINSATZGRUPPEN Massacres and Related Documents
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

eg-01.jpg, eg-02.jpg, eg-03.jpg, eg-04.jpg, eg-05.jpg
Einsatzgruppen massacres in Nazi-occupied USSR.

eg-06.jpg
Pyre of corpses ready to be set on fire.

eg-07.jpg
Mass grave.

eg-map.jpg
Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied 
Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action
unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. Includes figures of
Jews murdered by the Einsatzgruppen.

report-51.jpg
Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during 4 
months in 1942.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 29 17:08:13 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
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Subject: Re: Kurt Franz
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venkat@uta.edu (Venkat Devarajan) writes:

# This is incredible, if true.

It's true. Franz was released in 1993. I don't know if he
is still alive.

# Kurt Franz was one of the most savage of all SS men.

He was probably the worst of the lot, a fact confirmed by
Treblinka survivor, Mr. Eliyau Rosenberg, who I spoke with.

# Why was Franz not executed?

No SS-man from Treblinka was executed as they were all
tried by the Germans, some as late as 1965, and Germany
abolished the death penalty after the war.

Stangl, who commanded the camp for most of the time it
operated, got life and died in prison. Some of the others:

Josef Hirtreiter
----------------
life imprisonment, for numerous murders.

Otto Richard Horn
-----------------
Not imprisoned.

Hermann Lambert
---------------
Helped in the construction of the gas chambers. He was
sentenced to four years in prison.

Arthur Matthes
---------------
Chief officer of camp No. 2 and the gas chambers. Killer
at the "Lazaret" [a gathering place for the victims].
Sentenced to life imprisonment.

Gustav Munzberger
-----------------
Assistant to Matthes, operator of the gas chambers. Sentenced
to Twelve years in prison.

Franz Suchomel (the SS-man interviewed in length in "Shoa")
-----------------------------------------------------------
Was in charge of collecting and processing gold and valuables
of Jewish victims. Sentenced to seven years in prison.

(Information from "The Death Camp Treblinka").

There were a few Ukrainian guards tried by the Soviets. I
am not sure what became of them. I recall the Nikolai
Shulayev, who worked in operating the gas chambers, was
executed by the Soviets. Some others, as far as I know,
were sentenced to long prison terms.


-Danny Keren.




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From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 30 07:29:13 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photograph: Medical 'Experiments' in NATZWEILER (Strasbourg)
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images

MedExp03.jpg:

The horror in Natzweiler (Strasbourg): the dissected 
corpses of victims used for Dr. Hirt's "anthropological 
research".


See photographs of relevant documents in
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hirt.august/images

(Translation to be added soon).


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 30 16:55:48 PST 1996
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Leave poor old Greg Raven alone. The guy is still in mourning
over Hitler.

See what he wrote about his hero on GEnie:


 
 Category 15,  Topic 4
 Message 33        Fri Mar 13, 1992
 G.RAVEN                      at 03:02 EST
 
My only concern is in going after the facts. As such, I am not 
interested in defending Adolf Hitler to my dying breath. I will say,
however, that he was a great man ... certainly greater than
Churchill and FDR put together, and possibly the greatest leader of 
our century, if not longer. This is not to say that he was perfect, 
but he about the best thing that could have happened to Germany.







From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 31 18:45:26 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# Listen stupid. A lot of prisoners try to escape from prisons
# every year in the USA and Denmark. Does that prove that they
# have been tortured?

Listen, you miserable Nazi ape. Rounding up people, locking
them in camps, and holding them in conditions that, as
you elegantly stated "will inspire them to leave the
country as quick as possible" - and all this because of
the color of their skin, or some other physical criterion -
is most certainly torture. Every rational person will
agree to that.

One can only hope that these potential victims are
arming themselves, and getting ready to defend themselves
by all means possible... we all know what the best cure for
Nazism is.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 31 23:10:07 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Hoess Testimony BITES THE DUST!!!!
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Greg Raven  writes:
 
# Really? Who would you cite as German eyewitnesses to the gassing
# process, then? Hoess, Gerstein, maybe Kramer? 
 
What about Broad, Hoffman, Bock, Hoeblinger, Dr. Muench, Kaduk, 
Stark, Hoessler, Dr. Klein, Mentz, Matthes, Franz, Stangl, Bahr,
Schwarzhuber, Suchomel, Burmeister, Bauer, Malzemuller, Brack,
Schutt, Ohlendorf, Prof. Pffanenstiel, Findeisen, Dr. Widmman,
Oberhauser, Lauer, Laabs, Fuchs, Bolender?
 
Just some names off the top of my head. But then, you've been
a "revisionist scholar" for what? 15 years? So I guess you have
no idea who they are, right?
 
# Kramer 
  ^^^^^^
 
It's Kremer, you klutz. Kramer was the commandant of Birkenau,
and later Belsen. The man you're referring is Dr. Kremer.
 
# clearly did not see the details of any gassing, 
 
"clearly"? What an odd person Greg Raven is. Dr. Kremer did 
testify in detail about the gassings. How does Raven arrive
at his strange conclusion?
 
# assuming for the sake of argument that the "special action" of 
# which he writes was a gassing (I think it was not).
 
Ok. So you think it was not. But you were not there. You also
think, BTW, that Hitler was a "great man", and the "best thing 
that could have happened to Germany". Obviously, what you "think" 
is not worth very much.
 
 
-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Nov  1 09:09:40 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from OHRDRUF Camp
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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:28:15 GMT
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images

ohrdruf-01.jpg
Burned corpses of inmates.

ohrdruf-02.jpg:
Murdered inmates.


-Danny Keren.




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