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From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Tue Jul  9 17:13:24 PDT 1996
Article: 49277 of alt.revisionism
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Why Whites Need to Have Intellectual White Leaders...
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In article  jmarynow@idirect.com (John Marynowicz) writes:
>akotov1@umbc.edu (Alexandre Kotov) wrote:
>
>Don't the American and Canadian constitutions recognize the equality
>of all people?
>
No, they don't.
1.  The U.S. constitution states that a black man counts for 3/5 of a
white man.
2.  Even if it said all men were equal, your point would be that the
Constitution is infallible?

>Even the bible tells us so, as do all other great  spiritual texts
>from around the world.
>
I'm always leary when "the bible" is used as proof without further
specification.  Say, exactly WHERE does the Bible say that?  Where Jesus
tells slaves to honor their SUPERIORS?   

>I do not tolerate prejudism and bigotry.
>
I guess except where it is targetted at "prejudice and bigotry"?  Here's a
Bible quote for you:  "First, take the beam out of thy own eye, then thou
canst take the speck out of your brother's eye." 



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Fri Jul 12 07:00:34 PDT 1996
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Why Whites Need to Have Intellectual White Leaders...
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In article  atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) writes:
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>(Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>
>  :In article 
>jmarynow@idirect.com (John Marynowicz) writes:
>  :>akotov1@umbc.edu (Alexandre Kotov) wrote:
>  :>
>  :>Don't the American and Canadian constitutions recognize the equality
>  :>of all people?
>  :>
>  :No, they don't.
>  :1.  The U.S. constitution states that a black man counts for 3/5 of a
>  :white man.
>
>No, it doesn't. It did, prior to 1868. That was superseded by the 14th
>amendment, which says in part " nor shall any state deprive any person of
>life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
>person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
>
     Good point as to the amendment.  I doubt if the poster knew this. 
However, the amendment provides for the equality before the law, NOT that
all are "equal" in the sense that whites and blacks are equally gifted. 
I'm sure the writers of the amendment, were they asked of this, would
laugh themselves silly at the assertion.
     I further ask, why is this cited?  Does this "prove" that they are? 
Since the (c)onstitution contradicts itself on the matter (3/5 vs. "equal
protection"), should it be heeded at all?



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Tue Jul 16 08:46:30 PDT 1996
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Why Whites Need to Have Intellectual White Leaders...
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In article <31E4E74D.2C33@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:
>Chuck Ferree writes:
>
>Such crap from the bigots of the world. The Huberites, 

What the Hell's a Huberite?  Why the need to "stereotype"?  Isn't it wrong
to stereotype people?  Don't you have to be tolerant of all people?  Or
does that stop when someone disagrees with you?  

>This is the kind of stupidity one finds when dealing with racists and 
>bigots. Ignorance, and or out-right lies. Bit what these bigots really 
>do, is harm their country. 

So, how do you think George Washington, Tommy Jefferson & Abe Lincoln
treated their country?  All believed beyond any doubt "minorities" were
inferior.  Better stop honoring them & just love "tolerant" politicians
like Jesse Jackson & Slick Willie.

>The USA is a country, I've fought for my 
>country twice and I'll do it again, against the bigots andn racists of 
>the world. They can run but they can't hide.

Are you threatening me?  You called me a bigot earlier, now you're
threatening to "fight" (obviously as in a "war") against "bigots andn
racists of the world."  Then you say they can run but not hide.
     Are you threatening me?  
     THAT is unconstitutional.  First Amendment.  As someone might have
once said, "Live and learn, maybe your ignorance will not be so obvious."

Regards,
BJ


From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Thu Jul 18 17:17:51 PDT 1996
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Why Whites Need to Have Intellectual White Leaders...
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In article <31EB85C3.4E80@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

>I'll re-state my opinions and feelings, about bigots, racists and 
>antisemites. I believe this group of people are the most dangerous 
>threat to peace and tranquility in world society. Some of these people 
>are religious bigots, for instance the Baptists trying to convert 
>Jews. That's almost the stupidist thing I ever heard of. 

That's pretty bigoted itself.  It's discrimination against Christianity,
whose Founder called Himself "The Way, the Truth and the Life," and said, "No
man comes to the Father but by me."  That's pretty narrow.  
     The fact is, every religion claims to be the "TRUE" religion, they're
all bigoted.  But if you believe "the truth," you have an obligation for
sharing it & correcting others.  That's exactly what you're doing here,
trying to convince bigots and Holocaust-deniers that you're right & make
them see "the Truth."

>Others hate 
>the Jews, but none of them that I've encountered have a clue why. The 
>Germans-Austrians are a perfect example. They believe to this day, 
>that the Jews own everything in the world, run all the banks, media 
>ect. 

Wouldn't that be the reason why they hate Jews that you said they don't have?
Why not try to convince them it's not really true?

>> What the Hell's a Huberite? 
>
>If you read alt. rev. you must have seen posts by "Huber" and a bunch 
>of others assholes who use alias to post bigoted stuff about "white 
>supremacy" and anti-Jewish baloney. Holocaust liars and revisionists. 
>Bunch of stupid idiots. I don't hate them, I just think they are 
>dangerous to America and the rest of the world.
>
Not familiar, but now I know.  Thanks.

> Why the need to "stereotype"?  Isn't it wrong
>
>That's not a stereotype, that's what they call themselves. Yes, 
>stereotyping  is wrong, and I try not to do it.
>  
Yes, but you've called them idiots, "assholes," & all other sorts of
names, and said they were all stupid and wrong, or at least that most
were.  That's a "stereotype." To use your own argument, "I bet you never
even have a serious conversation with Revisionists or white supremacists! 
You're just calling names without anything but a stereotype to go by."

>Don't you have to be tolerant of all people? 
>
>Up to a point, I can tolerate people, but after spending a year 
>discussing Holocaust matters, with the bunch of denier idiots, 

There you go with the names again.

>I can't 
>and don't have to tolerate tham. I'm cutting them off. Fuck them!

No thanks.  When do the laws of tolerance stop applying to you?  After
you've talked to them for a year?  So what, if a Klan member spent a year
yelling at blacks about how they really are stupid and inferior and they
didn't admit it, they could say, "I've spent a year with black idiots.  I
can't and odn't have to tolerate them.  Fuck them!"?  

>> So, how do you think George Washington, Tommy Jefferson & Abe Lincoln
>> treated their country?  All believed beyond any doubt "minorities" were
>> inferior.  Better stop honoring them & just love "tolerant" politicians
>> like Jesse Jackson & Slick Willie.
>
>
>Bull-shit. You are trolling. 
>> 
"I have no intention to place the black man on the level of equality with
the white man, and do not believe it is possible." - Abraham Lincoln, in
debate with Stephen Douglas.

"Nothing is more surely written in the Book of Fate but that these people
[blacks] ought to be free, nor that the two races, equally free, cannot
live under the same government." - Thomas Jefferson.

>By this I mean, I fought in WW-II as a fighter pilot, and in Korea, 
>also. If the Un-American "ayryan" types who are preparing to 
>over-throw this country

Whoa! buckeroo, before you get out the napalm, where can you prove
everyone who doesn't believe in racial equality is planning to overthrow
the country?  That's a charge of treason, which carries the death penalty;
that's a pretty weighty charge.  I sure hope you have some hard evidence
for that (plans, invasion schemes, etc.)

>> Are you threatening me?
>
>Not you in particular, but if you perceive my position as a threat, 
>that's not my problem.
>
So you are or are not? That's about like saying "If my arm accidentally
hits your nose, it's not my problem."

>  You called me a bigot earlier, now you're
>> threatening to "fight" (obviously as in a "war") against "bigots and
>> racists of the world."
>
>If you aren't a bigot or racist, say so and don't write like one.
>
Otherwise you're threatening to kill me.  Sounds fair!

>  Then you say they can run but not hide.
>>      Are you threatening me?
>>      THAT is unconstitutional.
>
>What's unconstitutional? 
>
Threatening to kill someone because you disagree with them.....Duh!

Regards,
BJ



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