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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Who is a Jew? (was Re: Ben Johnson's heritage)
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In article <3v6v40$3jp@mars.efn.org> R.S. writes:
>>     Well, Raina, I think I would have been the expert to contact on this
>>subject.... :)
>>  The majority
>>of the Christians in the course of history have been the Anglo-Saxon,
>>Germanic, Celtic and kindred peoples of Europe.  These people, who appear
>>exactly at the time Israel DISappears from history, bear the marks of
>>Israel.  They are Israel.  
>>      The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ. 
>
>OK, so the real Jews moved to Europe and became Celts, Anglo-Saxons, and
>Nordics.  

     Where does this "real Jews" stuff come from?  The term "Jew" isn't
found in the Bible until I Kings, and then it only has reference to the
House of Judah.  The word "Jew" has had a few connotations throughout
history, mostly the following:

1.  One descended from Judah, a member of the tribe of Judah.
2.  After the split of the whole House of Israel (12 tribes) into 2
 separate kingdoms, it referred to all members of the House of Judah.
 (Judahites, Benjamites and some Levites). 
3.  After the return to Palestine, the term "Jew" meant "Judean, one who 
 dwells in Judea."  That is the meaning whenever it is seen in the NT.  The
 Jewish Encyclopedia admits that in the 4th c. B.C., many Edomites "became
 Jews" by helping defend the Temple.  Herrod was one of these Idumeans' 
 descendants.
4.  Today, it connotates anyone who is a member of the Jewish religion;
 therefore, Sammy Davis, Jr. and Whoopi Goldberg can be called "Jews."  

     Sammy Davis' forefathers did not found Europe.
     The residue of Edomites in Palestine at Christ's day did not found
Europe.
     "Jews" did not found Europe.
     (Listen closely now) *ISRAELITES* founded Europe, the legitimate
descendants of the northern 10 tribes.   

>The remaining Jews were all killed or enslaved by the Romans.  

Yes.  

>The Jewish religion came to an end.  

Hardly.  No one said that-except you.  Shame it didn't....

>Then hundreds of years later, the 
>Khazars, out of the blue, with no one influencing them to do so,  dig up 
>the dead religion, dust it off, and convert to it.  

     The Khazars were "influenced" by the Christian Russians to their
north and the Muslim Arabs to their south who were set to destroy each
other and claim Khazaria for themselves.  The Khazarians hedged their bets
and decided to convert to NEITHER of the religions but Judaism instead. 
According to their mythology, they found a book of the Law in some cave
and decided to adopt it.  This is doubtful.  The Jewish Encyclopedia
states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them of it,
and the rabbis did so.  
     The rabbis were still around, as they were still alive, and the
pharisaic religion had never died out.  There were also Edomites in those
captured by the Romans-remember.

>Then they proceed to 
>scatter among the nations 

     Yep.

>They manage to create a false front so that it will appear that they 
>actually have based their religious, communal, educational, legal, social, and 
>cultural structures on something of substance.  They fool everyone. (Well,
>except you).

      They did base it on something of substance:  The Talmud.  And its
substance is still being thrashed out....
  
>R.
>
>Should I become an Identity Christian so that I will be a real Jew?
>Will they let me join?
>R.

No, but you could stop asking stupid question.

BJ
bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Wed Aug  2 13:28:09 PDT 1995
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In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: writings. 
>
>Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>
     Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
something to that effect-a pre-"1984."

_BJ



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In article <3vm8no$se7@uc.msc.edu> blabount@@mutt.hamline.edu (Brian A LaBounty) writes:
>Ben Johnson charges some guy with lies... [totality snipped]
>
(totality true, though)  

>No, you just say that modern Jews, descended from Esau, are the enemies 
>of God's children, which you claim are white Europeans. 
>I guess we should all be repentant for assuming you are 
>anything less than a loving Christian soul and not at all a racist.
>
     Since the entire thing is from the Bible, 100% Biblical truth-yes. 
"Racists" use Mein Kampf or whatever the guy wearing bedsheets tells them
as their basis-mine is the Bible. Buehler cannot compete with me when
dealing with the Bible, (or dealing with other people in a Biblical manner,
for that matter) and everything I write is to help Christians have a more
correct understanding of the Bible-including who the Chosen People really are.
     Besides, the matter was not if I was "racist" or not, but whether I
said the things he claimed I said.  After I publicly denied all his
imputed beliefs and dealings, he continues to unrepentantly repeat them. 
That would call for repentance.  It's not too much to ask, but it's too
much to expect.
     What constitutes a "loving Christian soul" is determined by
Christianity-specifically the Book of Christianity, the Bible, not by what
people say it is.  Least of all Jews on the internet.

In Christ Jesus, the Savior of Israel,
Ben Johnson
bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu   


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     Just wanted to deal with some of Buehler's lies.  My response
apparently did not get posted to the nets before this time.
     Buehler claims the Book of Romans is addressed to "spiritual
descendants of Abraham" and THAT'S really what the pharse "our father
Abraham" means.  Could he please explain the following:
Romans 4:1 - "What shall we say then about Abraham, our father *according
to the flesh*?"  Let me guess-Paul is talking about SPIRITUAL FLESH!!!  He
certainly wasn't writing to ISRAELITES in Rome, like the letter would seem
to indicate to anyone not going out of his way to see it otherwise!
     As per Timothy, it was added because of Beuhler's ridiculous
statement that Paul was only the "apostle to the gentiles."  "Timothy, as
we both showeed, was not a "Gentile."  Golly, could that show Paul was
interested in teaching the House of Israel-the only people to whom our
Lord and Savior Christ Jesus was sent to (Matt. 15:24)?  Could be.  Oddly
enough, Buehler turned around and used Timothy to prove that he was right!

     For more info., e-mail me or "anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com
cd /pub/SF/SFA

For the Glory of Christ,
Ben Johnson
bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu


From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Sat Aug  5 08:46:56 PDT 1995
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In article <3vqarp$kqk@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article ,
>Benjamin Johnson  wrote:
>
>>     What constitutes a "loving Christian soul" is determined by
>>Christianity-specifically the Book of Christianity, the Bible, not by what
>>people say it is.  Least of all Jews on the internet.
>
>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned by name?
>If you ever answered that question (other than to say it was somewhere in
>the Douay translation), I must have missed it.  Thanks a bunch.
>--
>			

     You must have missed it.  Habakuk 3:18.



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In article <3vqarp$kqk@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article ,
>Benjamin Johnson  wrote:
>
>>     What constitutes a "loving Christian soul" is determined by
>>Christianity-specifically the Book of Christianity, the Bible, not by what
>>people say it is.  Least of all Jews on the internet.
>
>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned by name?
>If you ever answered that question (other than to say it was somewhere in
>the Douay translation), I must have missed it.  Thanks a bunch.
>--
>			

     You must have missed it.  Habakuk 3:18.



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug  7 21:59:58 PDT 1995
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Who is a Jew? (was Re: Ben Johnson's heritage)
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In article <403q8t$ghm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Shame on all of you good guys and gals! I told you while I was away, to 
>remind Ben Johnson of his (virtually admitted) inability to distinguish 
>between the literal and figurative in the Bible, if he posts material 
>based on it. Noone has done it! I can't go away for two weeks?
>
     Shame on you, my Talmud-thumpin' nemesis.  I answered your question. 
First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
on these points.  The work is available from those Christians who haven't
yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
     Second, I answered your question.
     Third, go away.

>Hi, Ben!
>
    I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK 



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug  7 22:00:39 PDT 1995
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In article <3vu3b1$e1c@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article ,
>Benjamin Johnson  wrote:
>>In article <3vqarp$kqk@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
>>>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned by name?
>
>>     You must have missed it.  Habakuk 3:18.
>
>Now things become clear.  This reference is only true (for English versions)
>for the Douay.  This is because the Douay translation is based on the 
>Vulgate, not the original Hebrew.  


     That's OK, the "original Hebrew" isn't based on the original Hebrew. 
Well, I presume you're using the Masoretic Text, which was created
somewhere around 1054 A.D.....

Ben


From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug  7 22:00:42 PDT 1995
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In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
     Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
     Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

-BJ


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >>> >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
   >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
   >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
   >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
   >>> >: writings. 
   >>> >
   >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
   >>> >
   >>> Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
   >>> something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
   >>> 
   >>> _BJ
   >>> 
   >> 
   >> If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
   >> is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
   >> 

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

    Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
    variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
    There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".


   Benjamin>      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best

That is not what he said.  What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler's name is.

   Benjamin> remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
   Benjamin> a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
   Benjamin> better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
   Benjamin>      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
   Benjamin> intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
   Benjamin> explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

Irony, to the extreme.

ah

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In article  ahall@cs.uml.edu (Andrew Hall) writes:
>>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:
>
>   >>> >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>   >>> >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>   >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>   >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>   >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>   >>> >: writings. 
>   >>> >
>   >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>   >>> >
>   >>> Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>   >>> something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>   >>> 
>   >>> _BJ
>   >>> 
>   >> 
>
>Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
>to idiots like you) here is what you clipped
>
>    Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
>    variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
>    There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".
>
>That is not what he said.  What he said is that you have no clue hat
>Koestler's name is.
>
     Since I've given "Koestler"'s name perfectly in about a dozen postings
now, one would think it would be assumed that I made a TYPO, as was the
case.  I'm really glad I chose to illustrate "intellectually dishonesty,"
and even happier you joined the fray.

-BJ


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In article <403q8t$ghm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Shame on all of you good guys and gals! I told you while I was away, to 
>remind Ben Johnson of his (virtually admitted) inability to distinguish 
>between the literal and figurative in the Bible, if he posts material 
>based on it. Noone has done it! I can't go away for two weeks?
>
     Shame on you, my Talmud-thumpin' nemesis.  I answered your question. 
First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
on these points.  The work is available from those Christians who haven't
yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
     Second, I answered your question.
     Third, go away.

>Hi, Ben!
>
    I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK 



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Tue Aug  8 13:27:54 PDT 1995
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In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
     Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
     Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

-BJ


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >>> >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
   >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
   >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
   >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
   >>> >: writings. 
   >>> >
   >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
   >>> >
   >>> Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
   >>> something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
   >>> 
   >>> _BJ
   >>> 
   >> 
   >> If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
   >> is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
   >> 

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

    Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
    variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
    There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".


   Benjamin>      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best

That is not what he said.  What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler's name is.

   Benjamin> remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
   Benjamin> a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
   Benjamin> better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
   Benjamin>      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
   Benjamin> intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
   Benjamin> explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

Irony, to the extreme.

ah

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In article <403q8t$ghm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Shame on all of you good guys and gals! I told you while I was away, to 
>remind Ben Johnson of his (virtually admitted) inability to distinguish 
>between the literal and figurative in the Bible, if he posts material 
>based on it. Noone has done it! I can't go away for two weeks?
>
     Shame on you, my Talmud-thumpin' nemesis.  I answered your question. 
First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
on these points.  The work is available from those Christians who haven't
yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
     Second, I answered your question.
     Third, go away.

>Hi, Ben!
>
    I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK 



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In article <3vu3b1$e1c@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article ,
>Benjamin Johnson  wrote:
>>In article <3vqarp$kqk@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
>>>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned by name?
>
>>     You must have missed it.  Habakuk 3:18.
>
>Now things become clear.  This reference is only true (for English versions)
>for the Douay.  This is because the Douay translation is based on the 
>Vulgate, not the original Hebrew.  


     That's OK, the "original Hebrew" isn't based on the original Hebrew. 
Well, I presume you're using the Masoretic Text, which was created
somewhere around 1054 A.D.....

Ben


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In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
     Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
     Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

-BJ


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >>> >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
   >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
   >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
   >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
   >>> >: writings. 
   >>> >
   >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
   >>> >
   >>> Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
   >>> something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
   >>> 
   >>> _BJ
   >>> 
   >> 
   >> If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
   >> is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
   >> 

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

    Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
    variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
    There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".


   Benjamin>      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best

That is not what he said.  What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler's name is.

   Benjamin> remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
   Benjamin> a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
   Benjamin> better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
   Benjamin>      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
   Benjamin> intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
   Benjamin> explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

Irony, to the extreme.

ah

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In article  ahall@cs.uml.edu (Andrew Hall) writes:
>>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:
>
>   >>> >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>   >>> >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>   >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>   >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>   >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>   >>> >: writings. 
>   >>> >
>   >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>   >>> >
>   >>> Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>   >>> something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>   >>> 
>   >>> _BJ
>   >>> 
>   >> 
>
>Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
>to idiots like you) here is what you clipped
>
>    Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
>    variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
>    There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".
>
>That is not what he said.  What he said is that you have no clue hat
>Koestler's name is.
>
     Since I've given "Koestler"'s name perfectly in about a dozen postings
now, one would think it would be assumed that I made a TYPO, as was the
case.  I'm really glad I chose to illustrate "intellectually dishonesty,"
and even happier you joined the fray.

-BJ


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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
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In article <40693o$2n1@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>
>>>>>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned
>by name?
>>>>     You must have missed it.  Habakuk 3:18.
>
>>     That's OK, the "original Hebrew" isn't based on the original
>Hebrew. 
>>Well, I presume you're using the Masoretic Text, which was created
>>somewhere around 1054 A.D.....
>
>WRONG Mr. ignoramus. 

Gotta love the "love" of a Jew.

>The MT is considered the OLDEST by scholars such 
>as Prof. Cross from Harvard. What was done in the 11th century 
>(actually earlier) is to deal with some minor differences oof 
>manuscripts that crept in. The differences between them and 
>manuscripts from the 1st century (like th Isaiah scroll) are trivial.
>
     The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm claimed
that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
Christ-deniers such as....Moshe Schulman, for example.  The Hebrew
(and sadly, the Greek, though to lesser extent)....has been "preserved" by
pharisees and their modern equivalents, the rabbis, who have a vested
interest in obscuring Christ's identity in the OT.  The early church used
the Septuagint almost overwhelmingly, and Jerome translated from the
uncorrupted Hebrew and Greek VERY early in the history of Christendom.
     It is admitted by the so-called "Jews for Jesus" that rabbis of the
time of Christ preached only "Messiah ben David," the conquering warrior
messiah, and not the suffering messiah that was supposed to come
initially, so that the pharisees' flock would not follow Christ.  After
all, if they followed Christians, the pharisees lost their prestige. 
Could it be they would also CHANGE their works for this same account? 
According to faculty in Israeli univeristies, they changed the Talmud for
the same reason-to hide references to Christ, in the latter case, all
blasphemous.

For Christ,
Ben Johnson  
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In article <4088u2$f2r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mklein199@aol.com (Mklein199) writes:
>
>Well, I believe that we are God's choosen people, but I have been called
>an anti-Christ as well, because I will not accept that lier as a messiah.
>Sorry, but Jesus is NOT my messiah. 
>
     That's right:  Jesus the Christ was "not sent but unto the lost sheep
of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24).  "Ye hear Me not, for ye are not
my sheep" (John 10) & "ye believe Me not, for ye are not of God" (John 7).
     The Israelites were prophecied to accept their Messiah (Ezek. 36,
Hosea 2, ad infinitum).  The Israelites DID-they are the Anglo-Saxon,
Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples.  For more info., use
"anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA
     Jesus the Christ was not a "lier."  "It is impossible for God to
lie"(Hebrews 6).  "Who is a *liar* but he that denies that Jesus is the
Christ? He is anti-Christ which denies the Father and the Son:  whoever
has not the Son, the same hath not the Father" (I John 2:21-22).

For Christ the King,
Ben Johson
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From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Wed Aug  9 23:15:41 PDT 1995
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>>: I answered your question. 
>>
>>No, you claimed that you wouldn't give me the answer, since I was a 
>>"dog." You then asked me the question.
>>
     Then I answered your question.  "Do you promise to tell the truth,
the WHOLE truth...." Well, at least you're honest.

>>: First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
>>: decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
>>: on these points.  
>>
>>You would, if you had a decent answer to give. 

No, as I stated, I'm not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don't CARE
what Jews think one way or another.

>>: The work is available from those Christians who haven't
>>: yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
>>
>>Then assuming you've read the work, you should have no trouble answering the
>>question. 
>>
     No trouble-I just don't waste my time with yids.

>>:      Second, I answered your question.
>>
>>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it. 

     Then they haven't been reading-I posted it over 3 weeks ago.

>>How _do_ you tell 
>>when to interpret literally and when to interpret figuratively, Ben? 
>>
     My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
lurking, very simply:  For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled.  For example, Acts
ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel....You can even get a "cross-reference"
Bible, if you want to invest I think it's now @ $40, which will tell you
when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.  
     For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like.  Study
the use of symbols in similar prophecies ("Beast" in Rev. and Daniel,
which are overlapping prophecies).  That will point you in the direction
of what to look for.
     When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the
Lost Sheep of the House of Israel," the meaning is rather clear. 
     The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God's other
pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
clear.  

>>At least here, you're sticking to a level of argument that more suits 
>>your abilities. You're going down, Ben, and it's fun to watch!
>>
     Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
     Thanks for proving me right, AK.
     Christians:  For more info., e-mail me, or "anonymous" ftp to: 
ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA  

In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
Ben Johnson
bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Wed Aug  9 23:15:44 PDT 1995
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In article <4089vj$q84@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>     The Khazars were "influenced" by the Christian Russians to their
>>north and the Muslim Arabs to their south who were set to destroy each
>>other and claim Khazaria for themselves.  The Khazarians hedged their
>bets
>>and decided to convert to NEITHER of the religions but Judaism
>instead. 
>>According to their mythology, they found a book of the Law in some
>cave
>>and decided to adopt it.  This is doubtful.  The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them of
>it,
>>and the rabbis did so.  
>
>
>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the 
>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it's maximum. 
>
     ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
today (see the book "Iron Curtain over America" for fully
documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
     Interesting you mention "purity" and "African blood," since Esau
intermarried with Canaanites.  Since you are Esau's descendant, you can be
at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
     That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
marriage. :)


For more info., use "anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA

In Christ Jesus,
Ben
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In article <40bacs$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>:      ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>: Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
>: which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
>: further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
>: today (see the book "Iron Curtain over America" for fully
>: documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
>: hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
>:      Interesting you mention "purity" and "African blood," since Esau
>: intermarried with Canaanites.  Since you are Esau's descendant, you can be
>: at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
>: His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
>: study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>:      That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
>: marriage. :)
>
>A reminder for readers of Ben's posts: despite having sometimes cited the 
>Bible as literal truth, and another time having claimed that some of it 
>must be taken metaphorically, Ben has yet to answer how one decides what 
>to take literally, and what to take metaphorically. His biblical 
>exegeses, therefore, like the one above, are to be taken as primarily 
>humorous.
>
     Just a reminder that Adam Krims spent time just a few posts earlier
answering my answer to his question.  And he's an anti-Christ Jew, hence
not to be paid attention to by anyone who is not an animal lover. :)

Ben

>Just a friendly note,
>
>AK




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In article <40b1lc$hre@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>>>Well, I presume you're using the Masoretic Text, which was created
>>>>somewhere around 1054 A.D.....
>>>WRONG Mr. ignoramus. 
>>Gotta love the "love" of a Jew.
>
>Ben, you are an ignoramus, how does that reflect on my emotional 
>feelings about you. (Which is not love, but utter disgust.)
>
    Moshe, you are an anti-Christ Jew.  When they circumcised you, they
didn't go far enough.
     My point being, I thought Judaism was a "beautiful religion" that
taught love for everyone on earth, and forgiveness no matter
what.....instead it produces those whose consciences have been circumcised
to the point of removal, such as yourself.

>>     The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm
>claimed
>>that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
>>Christ-deniers such as....Moshe Schulman, for example.  The Hebrew
>
>1. The church fathers are wrong. 

Sure they are.  No, the Jews are wrong.  

>>the Septuagint almost overwhelmingly, and Jerome translated from the
>>uncorrupted Hebrew and Greek VERY early in the history of Christendom.
>
>Jerome used the Hebrew in use by Rabbis (who were those that 
>taught him Hebrew) so that he could CORRECT the errors of the 
>Greek/LXX. 
>
     They teach you all kinds of things in yid school, don't they?  Odd,
the Church never taught that....in fact denies it vehemently.  No
historical documents outside Jewish sources teach it either.  Hmm.... I
guess that's why you're on "alt.revisionism," huh? :)

>>     It is admitted by the so-called "Jews for Jesus" that rabbis of
>the
>>time of Christ preached only "Messiah ben David," the conquering
>warrior
>
>I would suggest that you look at the DSS where we see that they held 
>from more then one Messiah (the Rabbis mention 4).
>
     But they only preached one during Christ's time, according to Jews
for Jesus.  If you've got a problem, kvetch at them.

>>According to faculty in Israeli univeristies, they changed the Talmud
>for
>>the same reason-to hide references to Christ, in the latter case, all
>>blasphemous.
>
>The Talmud was censored by the CHURCH.
>
     The Talmud was BANNED by the Church.  The rabbis chose to censor
texts about Christ burning in hot semen in Hell, for example, in order to
overcome Church objections.

Ben


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In article <40bbt6$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Ben finally ventures back into the snare he created for himself:
>
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >>: I answered your question. 
>: >>
>: >>No, you claimed that you wouldn't give me the answer, since I was a 
>: >>"dog." You then asked me the question.
>: >>
>:      Then I answered your question.  "Do you promise to tell the truth,
>: the WHOLE truth...." Well, at least you're honest.
>
>This is incoherent, as far as I can tell. Let's move on:
>
     which just proves you can't "tell" much.

>: No, as I stated, I'm not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don't CARE
>: what Jews think one way or another.
>
>Funny, you certainly spend a lot of time talking to us.
>
     Good point.  I'm done answering any yid posts.  Any Christians who
are interested in the TRUTH may e-mail me or check out ftp ftp.netcom.com
cd/pub/SF/SFA

>In fact, I don't think many Jews are interested in hearing you preach. 
>But the fact is, you have been posting biblical quotations for both Jews 
>and non-Jews, in the midst of which you have created two categories of 
>interpretation: literal and figurative. If you want anybody, Jewish or 
>otherwise, to take you seriously, you have some explaining to do about 
>this exegetic categories.
>
     I don't care about Jews.  Believe it or not, there are some segments
of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,
desire or are concerned with.  It's a stunning blow to an ego fed on the
lies of the "accomplishments" of its people (like Ethel Rosenberg, Karl
Marx, possibly Adolf Hitler....), but reality IS reality.

>: >>:      Second, I answered your question.
>: >>
>: >>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it. 
>
     No one else on this newsgroup cares.  Since this is an "argument"
between myself and a yiddish heathen (you), I need not answer anymore;
it's wasting time if that is the case.  False issues and whining Jews are
not my idea of a good time.

>:      My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
>: lurking, very simply:  For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
>: Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled.  For example, Acts
>: ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel....You can even get a "cross-reference"
>: Bible, if you want to invest I think it's now @ $40, which will tell you
>: when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.  
>:      For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
>: fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like.  Study
>: the use of symbols in similar prophecies ("Beast" in Rev. and Daniel,
>: which are overlapping prophecies).  That will point you in the direction
>: of what to look for.
>:      When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the
>: Lost Sheep of the House of Israel," the meaning is rather clear. 
>:      The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God's other
>: pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
>: with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
>: clear.  
>
>Well, at least here you're trying to address the issue, though you're 
>failing dismally. 

You see, rule #2-no one can "succeed" in an argument with a Jew but a Jew.
 It's like arguing with a staunch feminist, and for good reason, given the
inherently feminine-not to mention ANNOYING-aspect of the Jewish (lack of)
character.

>Your principal amounts to: read the Bible and you'll see 
>for yourself. 

Bingo!  The New Testament is so clear only a Jew could get it wrong. :)

>the Bible does not offer 
>up its own interpretations unproblematically. 

It does, if it is read and studied.  Jews don't bother with this, hence it
gives them problems.  

>:      Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
>: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
>: your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>
>I won't comment on this, Ben, since your trouncing on the issue of 
>molestation was widely witnessed by readers of this group. 

The "trouncing," after my posting of Talmud texts which prove that Jews
think molestation is OK if a girl is under 3 or the boy is uner 9 years of
age, consisted of wailing Jews kvetching, "We do not believe that!"
without a shred of documentary evidence.  Pretty good.
     Remember my truism on Jews and "debate"....

>:      Thanks for proving me right, AK.
>
>: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: Ben Johnson
>: bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 
>

>Lovingly,

Like I say, You've gotta love the "love" of a Jew.
To death. 


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In article <40b9rq$9dh@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> mswihart@palette.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>=In article <40693o$2n1@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>=
>=>The MT is considered the OLDEST by scholars such 
>=>as Prof. Cross from Harvard. What was done in the 11th century 
>=>(actually earlier) is to deal with some minor differences oof 
>=>manuscripts that crept in. The differences between them and 
>=>manuscripts from the 1st century (like th Isaiah scroll) are trivial.
>=>
>=     The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm claimed
>=that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
>=Christ-deniers such as....Moshe Schulman, for example.  The Hebrew
>
>Can you find any differences between a Hebrew version of the Torah from before
>the time you claim and show differences from the modern Hebrew MT?
>
     Can you produce a copy of Hebrew written before the time "I claim"
(Actually, of course, it was historical authorities within Christian
churches of the time).



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In article <40bana$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>:      That's right:  Jesus the Christ was "not sent but unto the lost sheep
>: of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24).  "Ye hear Me not, for ye are not
>: my sheep" (John 10) & "ye believe Me not, for ye are not of God" (John 7).
>:      The Israelites were prophecied to accept their Messiah (Ezek. 36,
>: Hosea 2, ad infinitum).  The Israelites DID-they are the Anglo-Saxon,
>: Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples.  For more info., use
>: "anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA
>:      Jesus the Christ was not a "lier."  "It is impossible for God to
>: lie"(Hebrews 6).  "Who is a *liar* but he that denies that Jesus is the
>: Christ? He is anti-Christ which denies the Father and the Son:  whoever
>: has not the Son, the same hath not the Father" (I John 2:21-22).
>
>: For Christ the King,
>: Ben Johson
>: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>
>Nice, Ben. Now tell us which parts of this are literal, and which parts 
>are figurative. After all, you still have yet to tell us how _we_ could 
>know the difference!
>
    You cannot, for it is not given to you to know. :)  You must have
"eyes to see and ears to hear."



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Subject: Jim Collier is a Yid pussy
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In article <40b93r$deb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com (JWCCTI1) writes:
>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (ben-Trash, Christian) ranted:
>
>>  The Israelites DID  [worship Jesus] -they are the Anglo-Saxon,
>>  Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples.
>
>[deleted]
>
>> For Christ the King,
>> Ben Johson
>> bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>
>
>Utter bullshit.
>
     At least he tells you what's going to be in his post up front....

>There is not one piece of evidence for this.  

Except for the millions of Christians throughout European history and the
fact that Christianity was contained to Europe until the 1500s.

>The Anglo-Saxons came
>from modern Saxony in present-day north Germany and Denmark, in the
>fourth through eighth centuries.  Their travels are well documented. 
>
     Yes, they did.  And the Germans came from the Assyrian captivity. 
II Esdras talks about *some* Israelites entering Arsareth, modern day SE
Europe.

>The people who were the Germans had come to central Europe from 
>further east, specifically the Asian steppe, and conquered native peoples,
>
     Get the book "Tracing Our White Ancestors" by Haberman for exactly
where the Germans came from.  Or get the Scriptures For America catalog at
ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA

>In Julius Caesar's (died 44 BCE) day, they were called the Goths.  They 
>already ranged from the Carpathians to present-day Normandy in his time.
>
As I recall, the Assyrian invasion was before 44 B.C., so what this has to
do with anything is a mystery to all non-Colliers.

>Jews, also entered
>Europe through Greece and Iberia first, 

Here he admits some things he should not.  Greece is Arsareth I referred
to above.  But they did this LONG before 44 B.C.!  They did it and it is
recorded in II Esdras, which documents the action as long before Colier
admits it happened.
      ALso, "Iberia" means "Peninsula of the *Hebrews*"!  The Celts
(Irish, specifically) came from Iberia and one of their earlier tribal
names reflects this.  THEY were the "Heberws" (Israelites) for which
Iberia was named!

>and then elsewhere along the 
>Mediterranean, and usually lived apart, but near other pagan or Christian,
>and later Muslim peoples.  
>
     The problem:  If Jews only entered AFTER Christians were around, then
they cannot be Israelites, or II Esdras would not have recorded what it did.
     This still all evades the issue of ISRAELITES ACCORDING TO THE FLESH
being prophecied to accept Christ!  Jews never have, and it speaks volumes
rigth there.
     If any Christians want anymore info., e-mail me or check the ftp site.

>Jim Collier
>
is a pussy.


Ben
bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin>      I don't care about Jews.  Believe it or not, there are some segments
   Benjamin> of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,

Your delusions are tragicomic...

If .005% of the population held your insane
bigoted ideas I would be worried, your 97%
figure is as crazy as most of your ideas.

ah

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>Finally, Christ-boy realizes what those of us with brains have known for 
>a long time: he has cooked his own goose with his literal/figurative 
>nonsense. Good riddance, Ben! If it's any consolation, you weren't 
>fooling anybody with enough brains to tie his/her shoes, anyway.
>
     When was the last time anyone here tied "his/her **SHOES**"????  That
must take brains, indeed.

>Funny -- given the lack of Jewish accomplishment, we still manage to rule 
>the world (in the diseased minds of people like Ben).
>
     Ben does not believe Jews rule the world-God rules the world.  

>Nice to see that you won't be responding to me (or other Jews). 
>
     This does not mean I will not answer Jewish posts, only that I do not
"discuss" things with Jews.  I will cite Jewish posts to preach to the
lurkers, or in your case, to show them your INCREDIBLE brain power.  
     No wonder (according to "The Dispossessed Majority") 70% of all
comedians are Jews.  To quote that old Ringo Starr song, all you've gotta
do is "Act Naturally."

>
>: >:      Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
>: >: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: >: how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
>: >: your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>: >
>
>People have better memories than that, Ben. Many posters cited vast 
>passages from the Talmud and comments from scholars, proving 
>conclusively that you were misrepresenting the passages in question. 
>
     No, they kvetched and produced nothing.  Stein tried hard, but all
his citings were out of context-something he accuses me of.  The
psychological term for that is "projection."  Sigh....

>: >: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: >: Ben Johnson
>: >: bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 
>: >
>
>Remember your commitment not to respond to Jews, Ben. 

     No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
Now, go blow off.

Ben


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In article <40dlv3$hhe@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>>>and decided to adopt it.  This is doubtful.  The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them
>of
>>>it,
>>>>and the rabbis did so.  
>>>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the 
>>>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it's maximum. 
>>     ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>
>No Ben. You are wrong. The scholars say the max number of Jews there 
>was 35000. 
>
     Who increased #s after they migrated-kind of like Adam and Eve.  The
number of initial converts is a false question.

>>which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further
>and
>>further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
>
>This is a fantacy view of history for which there is no evidence, 
>
     Read "The 13th Tribe" and any material from Benjamin Freedman.  Proof
is all there.

>>His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
>>study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>
Ben


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In article <40e1ob$jv7@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> mswihart@orchid.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>In article <40b9rq$9dh@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> mswihart@palette.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>>>In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>>=     The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm claimed
>>>=that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
>>>=Christ-deniers such as....Moshe Schulman, for example.  The Hebrew
>>>
>>>Can you find any differences between a Hebrew version of the Torah from before
>>>the time you claim and show differences from the modern Hebrew MT?
>>>
>>     Can you produce a copy of Hebrew written before the time "I claim"
>>(Actually, of course, it was historical authorities within Christian
>>churches of the time).
>>
>
>You made the claim that "the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of 
>Christ by Christ-deniers", yes?
>
>So, the burden is on you to back it up. 
>(At least that's how I play net. Burden is on the claimer.)
>
     I recommend "How we got the Bible-Our Debt to the Catholic Church,"
which I believe contains documentation.   That is the trad. Catholic view.

Ben


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>> Except for the millions of Christians throughout European history and
>the
>> fact that Christianity was contained to Europe until the 1500s.
>
>As is well known, Trashy, this is because after three centuries 
>of Christianity in the capital of the Roman empire, the emperor
>Constantine
>finally accepted Christianity himself and took his creed to Byzantium
>where he built Constantinople.  It spread north from there and from
>Rome.  Because of Christianity's creed of evangelism, it never stopped
>spreading.
>
     Christianity dates back before the invasion of Rome.  Ancient history
is always taught from the Roman rather than the British point of view.  
     The Druid and Levitical priesthood were similar.  Archeologists even
found a temple in England the EXACT measurements of the Temple measurements.  

>>>The Anglo-Saxons came
>>>from modern Saxony in present-day north Germany and Denmark, in the
>>>fourth through eighth centuries.  Their travels are well documented. 
>>>
>>     Yes, they did.  And the Germans came from the Assyrian captivity. 
>> II Esdras talks about *some* Israelites entering Arsareth, modern day SE
>> Europe.
>
>>      Get the book "Tracing Our White Ancestors" by Haberman for exactly
>> where the Germans came from.  Or get the Scriptures For America catalog
>at
>> ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA
>
>I'm not *interested* in anything so irrelevant as "Scriptures for America"
>to tell me about European anthropology.  
>
No, you are content to remain ignorant when your views of anthropology are
refuted beyond all doubt by the above-cited book.
     Anyone interested should get that book.

>> Here he admits some things he should not.  Greece is Arsareth I referred
>> to above.  But they did this LONG before 44 B.C.!  They did it and it is
>> recorded in II Esdras, which documents the action as long before Colier
>> admits it happened.
>>     ALso, "Iberia" means "Peninsula of the *Hebrews*"!  The Celts
>> (Irish, specifically) came from Iberia and one of their earlier tribal
>> names reflects this.  THEY were the "Heberws" (Israelites) for which
>> Iberia was named!
>
>These were SEMITES that went to Spain, and they stayed

Now you're catching on!  

>Your theory about the origin of the name "Iberia" may or may not
>be right.  There is also the Rio Ebro in Spain, which is very similar
>to "ebreo", Spanish for "Hebrew".  
>
It is right, of course.

>know this?  The Jews were finally expelled in 1492.  

Which in itself PROVES JEWS ARE NOT "ISRAELITES."  God said in Genesis He
would bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee, didn't
He?  Well, in 1492, after 80,000 Jews were expelled from the country,
Columbus "discovered" America & Spain reaped wealth beyond compare!  Kind
of an odd "cursing," Jim.

>Some of
>them went north, and of these, a few went to Ireland
>
That doesn't explain why their ENTIRE country maintains the linguistic
attachment to "Iberia" (of the "Hebrews") as the land of "Eire."  Nor does
it explain their ENTIRE tribal name, the Danaan, coming from the Israelite
tribe of Dan.

>>     The problem:  If Jews only entered AFTER Christians were around,
>then
>> they cannot be Israelites, or II Esdras would not have recorded what it
>did.
>>      This still all evades the issue of ISRAELITES ACCORDING TO THE
>FLESH
>> being prophecied to accept Christ!  Jews never have, and it speaks
>volumes
>> rigth there.
>
>allegedly came down and told Miryam she was preggers.  The fact that
>you think that a woman can get that way without a man around
>speaks volumes!  

According to you, "Jews" (specifically, about 3) wrote the line, "A virgin
shall conceive and bring forth a child ... " in Isaiah.  

Collier-another reason Jews should use birth control.


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In article <40eslh$972@access2.digex.net> mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>    Followups to talk.religion.misc only.
>
>In article ,
>Benjamin "Lie for Christ" Johnson  wrote:
>>In article <40bbt6$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> 
>>akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>>>:      Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
>>>: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>>>: how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
>>>: your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited 
>>>: way.
>>>
>>>I won't comment on this, Ben, since your trouncing on the issue of 
>>>molestation was widely witnessed by readers of this group. 
>>
>>The "trouncing," after my posting of Talmud texts which prove that Jews
>>think molestation is OK if a girl is under 3 or the boy is uner 9 years of
>>age, consisted of wailing Jews kvetching, "We do not believe that!"
>>without a shred of documentary evidence.
>
>    Kethuboth 39a, Kerithoth 2a and Makkoth 13a are 
>
     Not applicable to the argument we were having.  Oddly, you "missed"
my post in regards to these passages.  None of them states that is applies
to those under the OK-to-screw-if-you're-a-Jew age.  As the Sanhedrin
forbids such people from "throwing guilt upon the active offender," there
is no reason to believe that status is confined to the court of the
Sanhedrin.  You have yet to post a shred of proof that it is, and the
silence is deafening.
     Tell me why this "penalty" would apply when the ruling of a higher
court outlaws the admissibility of evidence in a criminal procedure!

>    The one about the boy of nine only refers to a technicality of
>Biblical wording which means the death penalty of stoning is not carried
>out.  But two other passages mention the penalties which the Talmud
>believes _can_ be imposed on the offender - execution at the hands of
>heaven (Kerithoth 2a), 

That is, "God will get him."  NO earthly punishment-the same as no punishment.

>    He's also lying through his teeth about not having been presented with
>these citations before. 
>
    Stein, no one said you didn't post these citations before.  I said you
didn't post anything that helped your argument.  Tsk, tsk.

Ben


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In article <40g0je$9rr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
>Any soul unfortunate enough to have been following Ben Johnson's threads
>knows that he lies continuously and shamelessly. But the way his lies
>wobble is kind of entertaining, and maybe a little instructive.
>
The above would be true, only if you inserted "Royce Buehler" in the stead
of "Ben Johnson."

>>      The Talmud was BANNED by the Church.  The rabbis chose to censor
>> texts about Christ burning in hot semen in Hell, for example, in order to
>> overcome Church objections.
>> 
>>>>The Talmud says Christ 
>>>> is now in Hell boiling in semen.  His followers will boil in Hell 
>>> in excrement.
>
>He was challenged to say *where* the Talmud says this. For a while he got coy
>and refused to say

Tha is a lie-documentation was provided immediately.  Buehler lie #2783.

>he realized he was not going to get away with that here. He posted his
>reference: to Gittin 57a.
>
>Now, unfortunately for Ben, Gittin 57a does not say one word about Jesus.

Except inthe footnote of the Soncino edition, which states the character
"Balaam" stands for Jesus the Christ.
     Isn't it odd how Royce Buehler, a "Christian," has great interest in
defending Jews and their anti-Christian religion (I Jn. 2:21-23)?

>True, there is a single copy among the many codexes of the Talmud in which
>the phrase "sinners of Jesus" has been substituted for "sinners of Israel".
>However, these are not being punished with boiling semen in the story, but
>with boiling excrement. 

Which I stated in another part of the post Buehler chose to snip. :)

>The one punished "with boiling semen" [that's "with", not "in" - another 
>bit Ben can't get straight] is the sinful prophet Balaam. From the book of
>Numbers. 
>
See above.

>A second is that he sincerely believes this semen-story. That says things about
>the sexually warped state of his psyche of which I would hesitate to accuse
>anyone.
>
"....for about 3 seconds, until my non-existent conscience let me," right
Buehler?

The Truth shall make Christians free.

Ben Johnson


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In article <40o87l$2cl@access5.digex.net> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>>mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P.-brain Stein) writes:
>>     Not applicable to the argument we were having.  Oddly, you "missed"
>>my post in regards to these passages.  None of them states that is applies
>>to those under the OK-to-screw-if-you're-a-Jew age.
>
>    You're reading exactly backwards.  The exception is for the death 
>penalty at human hands.  The other two passages make NO exception.  Thus 
>it applies to all ages.
>
     All you have to do is PROVE it applies to all ages.  You have been
unwilling (or I suspect unable) to do so.  
     According to the Talmud, a child under a certain age (for a girl,
3-for a boy, 9) CANNOT "throw guilt upon the active offender" in a sexual
molestation charge because they are not yet sexually mature, and thus sex
with them is not like sex with a grown person.  Show us all where the
Talmud indicts someone for sex with a person who is not yet "sexually
mature."  That's all you have to do-show a specific penalty for
molestation of a child under the specified ages.  
     Your "proofs" only talk about vague "crimes" and do not specify that
a non-sexually mature person unable to "throw guilt upon the active offender"
due to his/her age CAN in fact "throw guilt" elsewhere.  Show us where
that happens.  Otherwise, the legal precedent is set in Sanhedrin, and
Jews are allowed to molest children.
     All you have to do is PROVE IT instead of whining that "We can, too!"

>a death penalty for the act OVER the age of nine, it makes no sense to
>also have a heavenly death penalty.  
>
     Hardly.  What a "heavenly death penalty" says is, "Maybe God will get
them, but they're fine by us!"  No earthly penalty for a very earthly crime.  
That is NOT a penalty in judicial terms.

>>As the Sanhedrin
>>forbids such people from "throwing guilt upon the active offender," there
>>is no reason to believe that status is confined to the court of the
>>Sanhedrin.
>
>>You have yet to post a shred of proof that it is, and the
>>silence is deafening.
>
>    See above.

Better do better, :)
>
>>That is, "God will get him."  NO earthly punishment-the same as no punishment.
>
>    Oh ye of little faith!  So, you don't believe burning in hell is 
>punishment?
>
     This does not specify "burning in Hell," only that God will shorten
his/her life on earth.  
     BTW, I believe "Hell" in an eternally-burning sense is a Jewish fable
begun by the books of Enoch in the intertestamental period-but that's
another subject. :)

>>>    He's also lying through his teeth about not having been presented with
>>>these citations before. 
>>>
Lying through teeth seems to be your specialty.

>    You said nobody had posted a shred of documentary evidence, period. 
>Nothing about "a shred that helped your argument."  

I said that nothing was posted, not a shred of documentary evidence, that
proves Jews do not allow molestation of a child under a specific age
(girls-3, boys-9) to go unpunished (in an earthly realm).  And you haven't.
     And you must have had a mirror handy when you said-
>Well, you've told so
>many lies, what's one more? 
>
>-- 
>Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.

Ben


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In article <40o6n2$hv0@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>
>[parts of Collier's humiliation of Ben and his slithering attempts to 
>extricate himself deleted]
>
>: Which in itself PROVES JEWS ARE NOT "ISRAELITES."  God said in Genesis He
>: would bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee, didn't
>: He?  
>
>And this is to be read literally or figuratively, Ben?
>
     Check out Galatians chapter 3 for the correct interpretation, once
again proving my answer perfect.

Ben



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In article <40ou4v$orv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> lsd@ix.netcom.com (Lane Singer) writes:
>In <9508141814.AA20426@slogra.li.net> asloman@li.net (Arnold Sloman)
>writes: 
>
>>By the way, please note that our hate mongering friend Ben, used 
>>the PC "his/hers".
>
>This is rich. Yeah, Ben Johnson sure is PC, Arnold. Your insight is
>stunning.
>
     Heck, maybe I'm too liberal.... :)
Ben



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In article <40pd82$2kf@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:

     Let's face it, this "d.A." schm@ck has too much free time on his
hands. :) 

>: >: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: >: writings. 
>: >: >
>: >: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >: >
>: >:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: >: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: >: 
>: >: _BJ
>: >: 
>: >
>: >If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>: >is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>: >
>:      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
>: remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
>: a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
>: better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
>:      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
>: intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
>: explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 
>: 
>: -BJ
>
>For the benefit of those who missed the original sequence of postings and 
>see only this one and the previous one from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>let me recapitulate what happened.
>
>>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>>:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>>: writings.
>
>Now the only person I have heard of whose name vaguely resembles "Koelter" 
>and who has written on the subject is Arthur Koestler.
>
>I suspected that the author of the posting from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>was feigning erudition and scholarship -- maybe the author of the posting
>had once heard the name dropped in conversation and misrecalled it.
>Nevertheless, it could have been merely stenographic ineptitude, so I
>responded by asking:
>
>"Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?"
>
>Such a simple, direct question presented the author of the posting
>from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu with the opportunity to correct
>an oversight, or to go to a book and check and cover his tracks
>by claiming to have simply mis-typed.
>
>Instead the response from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu was
>
>"Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>
>
>To this I replied that the author of "Darkness at Noon" was
>Arthur KOESTLER, not Koelter, and provided a brief not on his 
>person, including the several ways his grandfather Leopold
>had spellt the family name --- none of them "Koelter".
>I pointed out that he had been a war correspondent in 
>the Spanish Civil War, and that he is renowned for far more
>than his several novels. (He was something of a cause celebre
>during the Spanish Civil War, where he was captured by Franco's
>forces and sentenced to hang. International efforts led to
>his getting to London alive.)
>
>It was in this posting that I wrote 
>
>"If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously."
>
>which was based on the apparent inability/unwillingness of the
>author of the postings from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu to
>either simply correct an oversight or check details when 
>attention is brought -- be it ever so gently -- to a crass error.
>
>The response to that was to repost sections of previous postings
>after some "creative editing", correcting "Koelter" to "Koestler"
>and making it seem as if I had qeried the claim that Arthur
>Koestler had written literature.
>
>The fact of the matter is that the only point I take issue with is
>the use of inverted commas around the word "literature" by the author 
>of the postings from  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu when referring to
>the works of Arthur Koestler.
>
>This "creative edition" or "parsimony with the truth" dispells
>any residual doubts which may be still preserved by the most 
>of Christian notions of "Christian Charity".
>
>
>It is clear that either the posting came from someone
>with no intellectual integrity, no scholarly standards, and complete
>ignorance who was bluffing and blustering his/her/its way through
>a mess of his/her/its own creation or, perhaps more kindly, a failed
>experiment in artificial intelligence, designed to churn out more
>or less random sentences in response to postings and questions.
>If the latter, then the person responsible for it should look
>more closely at the software, for it is grossly deficient. If,
>on the other hand, the software passes all tests, then the only 
>explanation which makes sense is that the naighbour's dog pissed 
>into the hardware.
>
>It does not take a Fred Leuchter to prove that canine urine
>can wreak havoc on electronic hardware.
>
>d.A.




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In article <40pe3s$825@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>In my previous posting, I relied on my memory as I do
>not have archives of previous postings.
>
     WAY too much free time.  

>Another contributor to this group kindly supplied me
>with the arvival material. Readers can check my memory
>against the archives.
>
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>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
>Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
>variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
>There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".
>
>Koestler did various things throughout his life, including working as
>a correspondent for the Comintern in Spain during the Spanish Civil War. 
>(See his "A Spanish Testament") He settled later in London, where he stayed 
>rather active, writing extensively on a number of topics, ranging from
>politics through psychology and philosophy, in addition to novels.
>
>He was one of the founders of "Exit", an organisation which provides 
>information for people who wish to end their own lives. He did so himself,
>together with his wife in 1983. He was terminally ill with cancer.
>
>I must admit, however, that this "faux pas" is the least of your
>sins against the principles of scholarship and against intellectual
>integrity.
>
>d.A.
>
>
>>From hmazal@txdirect.net  in San Antonio, Texas Tue Aug 15 01:53:43 EDT 1995
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>From: hmazal@txdirect.net  in San Antonio, Texas
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>Mr. Ibokor questions Mr. Johnson's capital knowledge of contemporary authors:
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>>   bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>
>>  >:(text deleted) Arthur Koelter,  and many others
>>  >
>>  >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>>  >
>>       Wrote  ...  "Darkness at noon" ...
>
>The man's name is Koestler, Mr. Johnson. Hence the doubts expressed by Mr. Ibokor.
>
>And yes, he also wrote _Darkness at Noon_. His only book worth reading.
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>Got it?
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>>From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Tue Aug 15 01:53:52 EDT 1995
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>In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>>:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>>: writings. 
>>
>>Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>>
>     Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>
>_BJ
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From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Tue Aug 15 12:09:55 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Mike Stein and applicability
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In article <40omc9$ldu@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>>>The "trouncing," after my posting of Talmud texts which prove that
>Jews
>>>>think molestation is OK if a girl is under 3 or the boy is uner 9
>years of
>>>>age, consisted of wailing Jews kvetching, "We do not believe that!"
>>>>without a shred of documentary evidence.
>>>    Kethuboth 39a, Kerithoth 2a and Makkoth 13a are
>>     Not applicable to the argument we were having.  Oddly, you
>"missed"
>
>No Benny boy. They are applicable, since they tell us what you DON'T
>want to admit: That these are are forbidden.
>
     All you have to do is prove that statement.  Show us all where
3-year-old girls and 9-year-old boys ARE INCLUDED.  They are excluded
elsewhere.

>>     Tell me why this "penalty" would apply when the ruling of a
>higher
>>court outlaws the admissibility of evidence in a criminal procedure!
>
>There are many things that the Bible does not punish, that are
>likewise not allowed. How about murder where there are no witnesses.
>Are you allowed to kill someone when no one is there, just because
>the Bible requires two witnesses?
>
     I guess this would explain why the Jews engage in all the hunting of
people responsible for "the Holocaust." :)

>>>out.  But two other passages mention the penalties which the Talmud
>>>believes _can_ be imposed on the offender - execution at the hands of
>>>heaven (Kerithoth 2a),
>>That is, "God will get him."  NO earthly punishment-the same as no
>punishment.
>
>Only to an atheist like you. The Bible mentions things which G-d
>
     Yes, an atheist who is a part-time minister of the Gospel!  
     I'm sorry, a Christian atheist like me should never challenge a
non-atheist who believes in "G-d". :)

Ben 


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>> >>By the way, please note that our hate mongering friend Ben, used the 
>> >>PC "his/hers". 
>> > 
>> >This is rich. Yeah, Ben Johnson sure is PC, Arnold. Your insight 
>> >is stunning. 
>> > 
>>      Heck, maybe I'm too liberal.... :) 
>> Ben 
>>  
>Maybe somwhere in the dark recesses of that cesspool of hate, anger, 
>and fear, there is a spark of decency???...... NAH! 
>
    Maybe somewhere in the dark recesses of your cesspool of
unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable name-calling there is a remnant of a
sense of humor.  

Ben


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In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>
>
>Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>
I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>
     I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)

Ben



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In article <40r74f$2ud@floyd.santarosa.edu> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu (Wandering) writes:
>Quoth Benjamin Johnson:
>
>:      Let's face it, this "d.A." schm@ck has too much free time on his
>: hands. :) 
>
>Translation: "I cannot rebut his refutation, so I will make fun of the length
>of his post and hope that no one notices that my criticism also applies to
>my own posts."
>
Fine, d@ammit, I admit-I misspelled Koestler one time and let *him* get
away with it another.  Crucify me.

>-  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
>nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
>dissected in front of 20,000,000 people, if I want to and am bored enough...




From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Wed Aug 16 18:02:21 PDT 1995
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In article <40qoqu$3et@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>> In article <40g0je$9rr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>> >Now, unfortunately for Ben, Gittin 57a does not say one word about Jesus.
>> 
>> Except inthe footnote of the Soncino edition, which states the character
>> "Balaam" stands for Jesus the Christ.
>
>Ben's perpetual claim has been that "The Talmud" states Jesus is boiling in
>semen. 
>
     Have you ever seen the index to the Talmud?  It was published by the
Soncino people and lists all passages referring to "Jesus" and "Yeshu."
OK, now go through  them all and try to find the word "Jesus" in the
actual text.  What's that you say?? It's not there?  The word is BALAAM?? 
Wow!  How 'bout that?  And it says his mother Miriam had sex with "A
carpenter" in the footnote of an MS??  WOW!
 
(Rest of Buehler's typical whining, self-important "real Christian" rot
deleted)

Ben


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Subject: Re: Identity denies second coming [Was: Mike Stein and applicability]
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In article <40qtbb$5hk@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
>In article <40omc9$ldu@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>> >From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>> >That is, "God will get him."  NO earthly punishment-the same as no
>> punishment.
>> 
>> Only to an atheist like you. The Bible mentions things which G-d
>> himself will punish.
>
>Point well taken, Moshe. 

I don't believe false gods will get anyone.  Apparently you do.  That
point is well taken.

>Rick Savage has reappeared on the net (coming like Ben through netcom now
>at least until netcom, like the university accounts before it, discovers it

Um, for those who don't know-1. I don't "come through netcom," I use the
university account
2.  You should talk about university accounts realizing vipers are posting
>from  there.  How long 'til your sysadmin gets back, Buehler??

            * (Rick Savage posts discussed)*
>Their point: There will be no second coming, there
>will be no day of judgment.
>Real Christians should note that Identity has abandoned one of the fundamentals
>of the faith by denying the second coming. 
 
     Here Buehler uses 2 of his favorite tricks all at once!  Rick Savage
made the post, yet according to Buehler "Identity" believes it.  Thus,
anything any member of "Identity" says is true for all members of
"Identity."  Wonder how he handles it when all those souces disagree every
3rd sentences, as the ideological gulfs in what Buehler ignorantly refers
to as a monolithic "Identity" are huge?  He doesn't even know that they
are.  This alone ought to point out that Buehler doesn't know the first
thing about Identity except what he's seen on TV or heard from an ADL
report.  He simply doesn't know what he's talking about and should thus be
ignored.  But alas....he doesn't have the integrity (though it's been
pointed out to him *many* times) to admit that he doesn't know what he's
talking about and thus, continues to post his venom.
     It's about par for the course.....
     Secondly, he uses the "real Christians" bit.  Remember, if you don't
accept what Royce Buehler says Christianity is, rather than discuss it,
he'll just hit you over the head, lie about you, slander you in public forever
and say, "You're not a real Christian like me!"
      It's also interesting to note Buehler does not have a post listed on
the moderated groups on which Savage's material (which speaks for the
viewpoint of Rick Savage alone) appears.  Apparently, the moderator
thought Royce was not worth putting on for many of readers to heed.
      Royce "Spam of Christian nets" Buehler.  It's a sign of the times.
      One might point out to "real Christian" Buehler that he rejects one
of the fundamentals of Christianity-the Old Testament, or at least the
parts of it that require people to DO anything judicial to punish crime.

Ben


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Subject: Ben say C-ya!
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     Well, folks, it's that time again....VACATION!  Gotta go.  I'll miss
     Just some parting thoughts to leave you all with:
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     I expect Mr. Buehler to be hot at the presses while I'm gone, and he
knows I can't respond.  That is how Buehler does most of his work.  It
never occurs to him (or any of you) I could just be trolling to see that
reaction ... :)

Regards,
Ben "the liberal" Johnson 



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In article <40t1ig$sep@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
     Clown Prince Royce Buehler is at it again!  Hold your sides! 
    I TOLD YOU ROYCE "LYING TO PROTECT BLASPHEMERS" BUEHLER WOULD START
POSTING DEFAMATION THE MINUTE I COULDN'T DEFEND MYSELF (glad I was back
for a minute).

>[March 8]:
>>      The bible says public blasphemers of any ethnic group ought to be put
>> to death before they turn people away from the living God.  We are also
>> called to follow God's Laws-period.  Not to give our opinion, just to
>> *obey* and failure to do so is sin. 
>
>And who qualifies as a "blasphemer"? Ben says, In article :
>
>>      To indulge you on this issue for the last time on this thread, to me
>> anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ, Son of God,is a blasphemer,
>
>That covers almost all the Jews, all right. Of course, it also covers all
>the Muslims, Buddhists, and a lot of less traditional Christians. It's
>just that Ben hates the Jews most, so he wants to *start* the killing there.

    What, Mr. Buehler, is your justification for:
1.  Calling this kind of punishment "murder" when the Book you allegedly
   subscribe to mandates it as a punishment for said crime?
2.  Saying I "hate the Jews most"?  
3.  Saying I want to "start" the "murder" (see #1) with Jews?
4.  Saying that the "murder" (#1) would occur at all if Jews and all other
   unbelievers simply did not make any public profession of unbelief? 

>There's no telling where - or if - it would end.
>
5.  Or this blatant canard?

>But this is rather abstract. How does it work out in practice? Well, Identity
>adherents have committed two known murders of Jews thus far: Alan Berg in
>Colorado, and a pawnshop proprietor in Lousiana 

     ....and Jewish adherents have committed X # of murders....and
Lutheran adherents have committed X # of murders....
     There is no linking any INDEPENDENT GROUP of individuals that chose
to call themselves (or more appropriately, Royce's only source for his
crap, the media chose to call) Identity Christians to any other.  All are
independent-like holding a Presbyterian responsible because a Mormon
committed armed robbery.  
     Mr. Buehler has been reminded of this fact ad infinitum, and the fact
that he refuses to acknowledge it only shows his own propensity to lie
knowingly. (For non-Identity documentation, I recommend comments in *88*
by Andy Oakley, an investigative journalist who infiltrated sundry
right-wing groups.  His conclusion:  they are tiny, unorganized and war
over members).

>(the Identity "Christians"

    There he is again as "keeper of the keys."  If you don't believe the
Jews=Israel, you CAN'T be a Christian.  However, to elevate Jews to a
state of a perfect race and "God's own chosen" (Mr. Buehler's words) is
right and good. 
     "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" (James 1:8).

>>>I think you will find that Rick & Benjamin promote the same agenda.
>>>They are filled with hate, hearts filled with murder.  

See #1 above.

>>>they would love to murder me, my wife, and my children simply
>>>because we are Jewish. 
>
>>     No, 'cause you're an unbeliever.  
>
>This was the poster's first comment on the thread. Ben knew nothing about
>him except that he was Jewish 

     Jack had spoken a number of times on how he had been a "Messianic Jew"
and then converted back to Judaism.  It is a well known fact & was
publicized on a parallel thread. He thus is a blasphemer (culpable under
Bible Law) & falls into St. Peter's declaration about how the pig returns to
the filth and the dog returns to his vomit.
     Incidentally, he later apologized to me for his actions on a later
thread.  YOU IN ALL YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUS IMPORTANCE HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED
FOR KNOWINGLY LYING ABOUT ME.  "By their fruits ye shall know them."
>
>> If they are of a cognizant age (that could
>> be determined individually by the court itself at their trial for public
>> blasphemy, fi thye engage in such an activity.) , that's one story.  I was
>> assuming Jack was middle-aged and his kids were my age-sholdn't have, but
>> then you shouldn't have imputed your holier-than-thou, humanisitc,
>> unChristian assertions on me.
>
>Ben can't keep his story straight. When you back him into a corner, he'll
>throw in weasel words ("if they engage in such an activity"). 

     They're only "weasle words" if I mean what *you* maintain I mean (i.e., I
want racial genocide of all ethnic Jews).  I have consistenly denied that
is my desire.  Thus, these are words of true policy.  Nothing is to be
done to those who do not ACTIVELY do something.  You cannot accept this-it
doesn't fit 1)You own omniscient, presupposed imputed motives which were
gleaned from 2) media portrayals of the same.  
     Speaking of weasle words-how did you get out of apologizing for
knowingly lying, Royce?  

>But on his
>own, as the above example illustrates, he simply assumes of any given Jew
>that she is of course a blasphemer and must of course be killed. 
>
     Remember the 5 definitions of "Jew":
1.  A descendant of Judah.
2.  A member of the house of Judah (Judah, Benjamin & Levi).
3.  A Judean (in NT only).
4.  A follower of Judaism (post-NT).
5.  A member of the modern ethnicity "Jews" (Khazars, Edomites, et. al.).

     Dealing with the 4th definition "Jew" alone, they are by DEFINITION
all blasphemers.  As stated before, those who belong to the ethnic
classification "Jews" or any other ethnic group are only prosecuted by a
court and their jurisprudicial standards are set forth in the OT.

>At the time, I accepted Ben's statement that he "assumed" the poster's children
>were his own age. But now, having seen him weasel and wobble so hard on so
>many things, I no longer credit him with that level of honesty. 

     Ah, yes-except that I've always held the same line on this.  GASP....
No "weasling," no "wobbling," just imputed "errors" that are never proven
wrong from wailing Jews.  

>Any ordinary
>person, on seeing the phrase "my wife and my children", immediately pictures
>a wife and some little kids. 

  ....in the make-believe world of Buehler.  
    One does not behave so after hearing Jack Nadelman describe himself as
middle-aged, roughly the same age as his colleg-aged friends' fathers.

>and inconsistent with his public "reasons" for his hatred, to be eager to
>carve up babies. 

     Royce Buehler lie #627,000 (one of his favorites):  I want to carve
up babies.

>his kids were my age" was just one more in his long string of lies.
>

And now he knows what I think, too....
     Remember, you can trust Royce Buehler-to lie about you when he thinks
you've gone away.

Ben


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In article <40t5fh$glh@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> mswihart@palette.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>>>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>>>what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>>>
>>I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>
>Do you have any reference(s) to when/where Episcopalians pray to
>Mother Sophia?
>
>The best possible would be a reference to a place in an Episcopalian
>prayer book that has a prayer to Mother Sophia.
>
>(Based on my knowledge of Episcopalians, I cannot give any credibility to
> your idea that Episcopalians pray to Mother Sophia without any
> supporting evidence. Perhaps you meant something/someone else?)
>
     Actually, Cincinnati is (apparently) the head of one branch of the
Episcopalian church in America.  It is breaking away from the rest of the
E.C. USA because of the above.  No official prayer book has that to my
knowledge, but they do so as part of the ReImagining Conference, "Maybe
God is a She" concept.  
     
BJ



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In article <40t7ni$13b@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>> >
>>      I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
>> Christ.  And they respond in droves. > you (and Royce Buehler) are.
>
>How come none of this vast flock of your groupies ever posts in here? 

     They don't want to have to put up with stench like you.  
>
>Dozens of Christians have posted to point out your falsehoods and bent
>interpretations. 

WOA-"dozens"?  You'd better do some revisionist history on those numbers,
Royce....

BJ


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In article  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>(Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>> 
>>      No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
>> posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
>> respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
>> truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
>> your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
>> Now, go blow off.
>
> 
>Ah, once again, a living example of the Christian concept of "love thy
>neighbor."
>
     Jews are not classified as "neighbors."



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In article <40r778$s4u@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net (Harry Katz) writes:
>
>But the same footnote also states that there are opposing views and
>tells the reader where to find them as well. 
>
     No it does not.  Mr. Katz, as usual, is lying.

Ben



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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <40rr8n$1bse@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
   >>> >bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
   >>> >
   >>> >
   >>> >Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
   >>> >what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
   >>> >
   >>> I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
   >>> >
   >>> I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)
   >> 
   >>> Ben
   >> 
   >> OK, Ben. First you don't respond to "yid posts" (though you recently 
   >> tried to slither out of that, before finding that I had saved the post in 
   >> which you announced it). 

   Benjamin> AK, I don't know how to tell you this, but I don't care WHAT you saved.  

   >> Now you don't "post to antagonistic 
   >> `Christians'." When you get right down to it, you're really only 
   >> addressing the handful of Identity Christians in the world who learned at 
   >> some point how to read. Is this not true?
   >> 
   Benjamin>      I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
   Benjamin> Christ.  And they respond in droves.  They see exactly what kind of people
   Benjamin> you (and Royce Buehler) are.

Yes, lots better than you.  Infinitely better than you.

You are pond scum.  You should be watched and sent to jail
for life if you ever act on your beliefs.

   >> Also, I would like to know whether Royce is correct in saying that you 
   >> would like to see most Jews killed.
   >> 
   Benjamin>      Of course you would. :)  What I'll say is this, if Royce Buehler says
   Benjamin> it, it can't be true. :)

You have said that Jews should be killed.  You have said that homosexuals 
should be killed.  I bet that there are only several hundred racist pigs
in the world that would escape your sword if you had your way.

You will not have your way.  You are a ten sigma event.

ah

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In article <40qqsk$438@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>Subject: In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>      Isn't it odd how Royce Buehler, a "Christian," has great interest in
>> defending Jews and their anti-Christian religion (I Jn. 2:21-23)?
>
>
>This is Identity's favorite prooftext to show that Jews are "the antichrist". 
>Ben does not quote it, since he hopes to conceal the fact that it doesn't
>mention Jews at all. 

     You're right-it only mentions those who deny that Jesus is the
Christ.  Do Jews deny Jesus is the Christ?  WHY YES, they do, don't they? 
Is there any other religion that even BELIEVES in a "Christ"?  Well, not
at the time that was written....narrows the field alot, doesn't it?
     Jews are anti-christs on that regard, as they are literally
ANTI-Christ.  Today, it applies to all who know the prophecies of a Christ
and the story of Jesus the Christ and yet reject Him.....which is
basically the Jews.

>Identity *never* quotes from just two verses earlier. It would give the game
>away. There John clearly identifies the antichrists not as unconverted Jews
>but as fallen-away Christians: 
>  2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they were
>       of us they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out,
>	that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (KJV)
>
     Mr. Buehler refuses to quote the verses in between or those found
later in I John which DO NOT LIMIT the term "anti-Christ" to "fallen-away
Christians."  Try these:
I John 4:1 "Anyone who denies that Christ is come in the flesh-this is the
spirit of anti-Christ."  According to Buehler, that really means:
     Any fallen-away Christian who never says Christ has come in the
     flesh yet but becomes a Christian and then falls away anyway, or
     other folks but certainly NOT THE JEWS because that doesn't jibe with
     current popular thought, P.C. trends or what my dispensationalist
     minister (who gets free trips to the mideast 3 times a year) tells me,
     THOSE are the anti-christs-just leave the fact that it obviously 
     applies to Jews to be caught by "anti-semites" whom we will scourge
     and drive out of our synagogues at later date for thought-crime, and
     better, we'll tell people they want genocide and lie on the Web.  

     Remember, Mr. Buehler, that the original Christians (i.e., those John
is writing to) worshipped in SYNAGOGUES alongside the pharisees, trying to
teach from the OT how Christ had come.  
     Yes, and other epistles state how Jews were causing trouble with
questions, I Timothy speaking of how they wanted to reinstate the Law as
the only means of justification....all this in "Christian" assemblies.


>I have no interest in defending the religion of Judaism, since, insofar
>as it conflicts with Christianity, I consider it mistaken. 

No, you wish to protect Judaism.  We hashed that out in the debate over
applying the Law on blasphemy.  According to you,
1.  The Jews do not commit blasphemy by presenting the Spirit of
    anti-Christ (I John 4:1).
2.  God was just kidding in the OT anyway.  

>I have great interest in defending any and all human beings against those
>who plot to murder them. 

Great-not only now do I want "genocide" (which he has yet to apologize
for....) but I am "PLOTTING" to kill them.  Proof, please.  Have you got
even a bloody glove?  Or just a bloody conscience trying to blame all
others for doing physically what you do to their character-assassination.

>Opposing murder is generally considered a legitimate Christian activity.

     Murder is unjustified killing.  Just thought I'd point that out.  

In Christ Jesus,
Ben



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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
   >> In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
   >> (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
   >>> 
   >>> No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
   >>> posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
   >>> respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
   >>> truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
   >>> your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
   >>> Now, go blow off.
   >> 
   >> 
   >> Ah, once again, a living example of the Christian concept of "love thy
   >> neighbor."
   >> 
   Benjamin>      Jews are not classified as "neighbors."

You are not a christian.

ah

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In article <40sj9m$hgs@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>>    You're reading exactly backwards.  The exception is for the death
>>>penalty at human hands.  The other two passages make NO exception. 
>Thus
>>>it applies to all ages.
>>     All you have to do is PROVE it applies to all ages.  You have
>been
>>unwilling (or I suspect unable) to do so.
>
>Benny, he has already shown you sources where such people are
>punished ... 
>
     But NOT for molesting children under the specified ages, which
neither he nor you, have done to this point.  All you have to do is find
one specific case.  That's all, just ONE.  Try it.  Go ahead....

>>     According to the Talmud, a child under a certain age (for a girl,
>>3-for a boy, 9) CANNOT "throw guilt upon the active offender" in a
>sexual
>
>>>a death penalty for the act OVER the age of nine, it makes no sense
>get
>>them, but they're fine by us!"  No earthly penalty for a very earthly
>crime.
>>That is NOT a penalty in judicial terms.
>
>if someone kills another where there were no witnesses he is pator. The Bible
>does not sanction it, but neither is there any remedy for the courts.
>It is left to G-d to punish.
>
     The matter at hand is not to be linked by analogy-your religion says
that ANY sex with a child under a certain age is OK, witnesses or not.  

>murder and there were witnesses etc, we are required to execute him.

"WE"???  And Buehler says *I'M* the one with the blood lust????? 

(Rest of his material that doesn't discuss the issue at all, only general
Talmudic crap, deleted)

Ben 
   


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In article <40sjb3$2si@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>>No Benny boy. They are applicable, since they tell us what you DON'T
>>>want to admit: That these are are forbidden.
>>     All you have to do is prove that statement.  Show us all where
>>3-year-old girls and 9-year-old boys ARE INCLUDED.  They are excluded
>>elsewhere.
>
>They are excluded with regards to certain punishments, and included
>elsewhere with other punishments.
>
     Show us where SPECIFICALLY.  Where does it ever say that those who by
Talmudic "law" cannot "throw guilt [upon the active offender]" because
according to the Talmud they are too young to have sex are included
anywhere SPECIFICALLY.  Where are those under the ages of 3 for girls and
9 for boys respectively given a recourse to justice?  Show us where
specifcally with references to a SPECIFIC mention of age!!
     That's all you have to do.  For a Talmud scholar like yourself, that
should be no trouble at all.  
     Why haven't you?

>>     Yes, an atheist who is a part-time minister of the Gospel!
>
>No contradiction. There have been atheist pastors before.
>
    Lots more atheist "Jews," like Freud, the "godless Jew"?? :)

>>     I'm sorry, a Christian atheist like me should never challenge a
>>non-atheist who believes in "G-d". :)
>
>Correct you are. BTW I went by the Top Dog Kennels Sunday and saw
>your Mom. She thanks you for the bisquets.
>
     That's pretty good.....again, gotta love the "love" (and humanity) of
a Jew.
     Hey, I'm not the one of a mongrelized race, Moshe.  How's the
Khazar/Canaanite family reunion coming?
Ben


From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Wed Aug 16 22:43:07 PDT 1995
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In article  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>(Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>> The Truth shall make Christians free.
>> 
>If the truth will make you free, Ben, please respond to my post regarding
>Jesus's anti-family comments.
> 
     Not as "anti-family" as say, allowing child molestation. 

Regards,
Ben


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In article <40rr8n$1bse@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>: >bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>: >
>: >
>: >Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>: >what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>: >
>: I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>: >
>:      I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)
>
>: Ben
>
>OK, Ben. First you don't respond to "yid posts" (though you recently 
>tried to slither out of that, before finding that I had saved the post in 
>which you announced it). 

AK, I don't know how to tell you this, but I don't care WHAT you saved.  

>Now you don't "post to antagonistic 
>`Christians'." When you get right down to it, you're really only 
>addressing the handful of Identity Christians in the world who learned at 
>some point how to read. Is this not true?
>
     I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
Christ.  And they respond in droves.  They see exactly what kind of people
you (and Royce Buehler) are.

>Also, I would like to know whether Royce is correct in saying that you 
>would like to see most Jews killed.
>
     Of course you would. :)  What I'll say is this, if Royce Buehler says
it, it can't be true. :)

Ben


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     I just wanted to respond to keep this title going. :)

Ben



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In article <403q8t$ghm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Shame on all of you good guys and gals! I told you while I was away, to 
>remind Ben Johnson of his (virtually admitted) inability to distinguish 
>between the literal and figurative in the Bible, if he posts material 
>based on it. Noone has done it! I can't go away for two weeks?
>
     Shame on you, my Talmud-thumpin' nemesis.  I answered your question. 
First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
on these points.  The work is available from those Christians who haven't
yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
     Second, I answered your question.
     Third, go away.

>Hi, Ben!
>
    I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK 



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In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
     Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
     Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

-BJ


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >>> >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
   >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
   >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
   >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
   >>> >: writings. 
   >>> >
   >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
   >>> >
   >>> Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
   >>> something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
   >>> 
   >>> _BJ
   >>> 
   >> 
   >> If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
   >> is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
   >> 

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

    Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
    variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
    There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".


   Benjamin>      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best

That is not what he said.  What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler's name is.

   Benjamin> remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
   Benjamin> a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
   Benjamin> better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
   Benjamin>      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
   Benjamin> intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
   Benjamin> explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

Irony, to the extreme.

ah

(Followups set to "talk.politics.misc" where I am posting from.)


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In article <4088u2$f2r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mklein199@aol.com (Mklein199) writes:
>
>Well, I believe that we are God's choosen people, but I have been called
>an anti-Christ as well, because I will not accept that lier as a messiah.
>Sorry, but Jesus is NOT my messiah. 
>
     That's right:  Jesus the Christ was "not sent but unto the lost sheep
of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24).  "Ye hear Me not, for ye are not
my sheep" (John 10) & "ye believe Me not, for ye are not of God" (John 7).
     The Israelites were prophecied to accept their Messiah (Ezek. 36,
Hosea 2, ad infinitum).  The Israelites DID-they are the Anglo-Saxon,
Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples.  For more info., use
"anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA
     Jesus the Christ was not a "lier."  "It is impossible for God to
lie"(Hebrews 6).  "Who is a *liar* but he that denies that Jesus is the
Christ? He is anti-Christ which denies the Father and the Son:  whoever
has not the Son, the same hath not the Father" (I John 2:21-22).

For Christ the King,
Ben Johson
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>>: I answered your question. 
>>
>>No, you claimed that you wouldn't give me the answer, since I was a 
>>"dog." You then asked me the question.
>>
     Then I answered your question.  "Do you promise to tell the truth,
the WHOLE truth...." Well, at least you're honest.

>>: First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
>>: decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
>>: on these points.  
>>
>>You would, if you had a decent answer to give. 

No, as I stated, I'm not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don't CARE
what Jews think one way or another.

>>: The work is available from those Christians who haven't
>>: yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
>>
>>Then assuming you've read the work, you should have no trouble answering the
>>question. 
>>
     No trouble-I just don't waste my time with yids.

>>:      Second, I answered your question.
>>
>>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it. 

     Then they haven't been reading-I posted it over 3 weeks ago.

>>How _do_ you tell 
>>when to interpret literally and when to interpret figuratively, Ben? 
>>
     My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
lurking, very simply:  For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled.  For example, Acts
ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel....You can even get a "cross-reference"
Bible, if you want to invest I think it's now @ $40, which will tell you
when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.  
     For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like.  Study
the use of symbols in similar prophecies ("Beast" in Rev. and Daniel,
which are overlapping prophecies).  That will point you in the direction
of what to look for.
     When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the
Lost Sheep of the House of Israel," the meaning is rather clear. 
     The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God's other
pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
clear.  

>>At least here, you're sticking to a level of argument that more suits 
>>your abilities. You're going down, Ben, and it's fun to watch!
>>
     Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
     Thanks for proving me right, AK.
     Christians:  For more info., e-mail me, or "anonymous" ftp to: 
ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA  

In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
Ben Johnson
bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 



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In article <4089vj$q84@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>     The Khazars were "influenced" by the Christian Russians to their
>>north and the Muslim Arabs to their south who were set to destroy each
>>other and claim Khazaria for themselves.  The Khazarians hedged their
>bets
>>and decided to convert to NEITHER of the religions but Judaism
>instead. 
>>According to their mythology, they found a book of the Law in some
>cave
>>and decided to adopt it.  This is doubtful.  The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them of
>it,
>>and the rabbis did so.  
>
>
>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the 
>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it's maximum. 
>
     ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
today (see the book "Iron Curtain over America" for fully
documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
     Interesting you mention "purity" and "African blood," since Esau
intermarried with Canaanites.  Since you are Esau's descendant, you can be
at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
     That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
marriage. :)


For more info., use "anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA

In Christ Jesus,
Ben
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Who is a Jew? (was Re: Ben Johnson's heritage)
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In article <40bacs$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>:      ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>: Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
>: which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
>: further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
>: today (see the book "Iron Curtain over America" for fully
>: documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
>: hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
>:      Interesting you mention "purity" and "African blood," since Esau
>: intermarried with Canaanites.  Since you are Esau's descendant, you can be
>: at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
>: His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
>: study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>:      That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
>: marriage. :)
>
>A reminder for readers of Ben's posts: despite having sometimes cited the 
>Bible as literal truth, and another time having claimed that some of it 
>must be taken metaphorically, Ben has yet to answer how one decides what 
>to take literally, and what to take metaphorically. His biblical 
>exegeses, therefore, like the one above, are to be taken as primarily 
>humorous.
>
     Just a reminder that Adam Krims spent time just a few posts earlier
answering my answer to his question.  And he's an anti-Christ Jew, hence
not to be paid attention to by anyone who is not an animal lover. :)

Ben

>Just a friendly note,
>
>AK




From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:18:42 PDT 1995
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Re: AK-another Biblical interpretation sham (was Re:Who's A Jew?)
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In article <40bbt6$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Ben finally ventures back into the snare he created for himself:
>
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >>: I answered your question. 
>: >>
>: >>No, you claimed that you wouldn't give me the answer, since I was a 
>: >>"dog." You then asked me the question.
>: >>
>:      Then I answered your question.  "Do you promise to tell the truth,
>: the WHOLE truth...." Well, at least you're honest.
>
>This is incoherent, as far as I can tell. Let's move on:
>
     which just proves you can't "tell" much.

>: No, as I stated, I'm not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don't CARE
>: what Jews think one way or another.
>
>Funny, you certainly spend a lot of time talking to us.
>
     Good point.  I'm done answering any yid posts.  Any Christians who
are interested in the TRUTH may e-mail me or check out ftp ftp.netcom.com
cd/pub/SF/SFA

>In fact, I don't think many Jews are interested in hearing you preach. 
>But the fact is, you have been posting biblical quotations for both Jews 
>and non-Jews, in the midst of which you have created two categories of 
>interpretation: literal and figurative. If you want anybody, Jewish or 
>otherwise, to take you seriously, you have some explaining to do about 
>this exegetic categories.
>
     I don't care about Jews.  Believe it or not, there are some segments
of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,
desire or are concerned with.  It's a stunning blow to an ego fed on the
lies of the "accomplishments" of its people (like Ethel Rosenberg, Karl
Marx, possibly Adolf Hitler....), but reality IS reality.

>: >>:      Second, I answered your question.
>: >>
>: >>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it. 
>
     No one else on this newsgroup cares.  Since this is an "argument"
between myself and a yiddish heathen (you), I need not answer anymore;
it's wasting time if that is the case.  False issues and whining Jews are
not my idea of a good time.

>:      My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
>: lurking, very simply:  For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
>: Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled.  For example, Acts
>: ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel....You can even get a "cross-reference"
>: Bible, if you want to invest I think it's now @ $40, which will tell you
>: when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.  
>:      For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
>: fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like.  Study
>: the use of symbols in similar prophecies ("Beast" in Rev. and Daniel,
>: which are overlapping prophecies).  That will point you in the direction
>: of what to look for.
>:      When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the
>: Lost Sheep of the House of Israel," the meaning is rather clear. 
>:      The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God's other
>: pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
>: with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
>: clear.  
>
>Well, at least here you're trying to address the issue, though you're 
>failing dismally. 

You see, rule #2-no one can "succeed" in an argument with a Jew but a Jew.
 It's like arguing with a staunch feminist, and for good reason, given the
inherently feminine-not to mention ANNOYING-aspect of the Jewish (lack of)
character.

>Your principal amounts to: read the Bible and you'll see 
>for yourself. 

Bingo!  The New Testament is so clear only a Jew could get it wrong. :)

>the Bible does not offer 
>up its own interpretations unproblematically. 

It does, if it is read and studied.  Jews don't bother with this, hence it
gives them problems.  

>:      Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
>: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
>: your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>
>I won't comment on this, Ben, since your trouncing on the issue of 
>molestation was widely witnessed by readers of this group. 

The "trouncing," after my posting of Talmud texts which prove that Jews
think molestation is OK if a girl is under 3 or the boy is uner 9 years of
age, consisted of wailing Jews kvetching, "We do not believe that!"
without a shred of documentary evidence.  Pretty good.
     Remember my truism on Jews and "debate"....

>:      Thanks for proving me right, AK.
>
>: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: Ben Johnson
>: bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 
>

>Lovingly,

Like I say, You've gotta love the "love" of a Jew.
To death. 


From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:18:43 PDT 1995
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In article <40bana$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>:      That's right:  Jesus the Christ was "not sent but unto the lost sheep
>: of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24).  "Ye hear Me not, for ye are not
>: my sheep" (John 10) & "ye believe Me not, for ye are not of God" (John 7).
>:      The Israelites were prophecied to accept their Messiah (Ezek. 36,
>: Hosea 2, ad infinitum).  The Israelites DID-they are the Anglo-Saxon,
>: Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples.  For more info., use
>: "anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA
>:      Jesus the Christ was not a "lier."  "It is impossible for God to
>: lie"(Hebrews 6).  "Who is a *liar* but he that denies that Jesus is the
>: Christ? He is anti-Christ which denies the Father and the Son:  whoever
>: has not the Son, the same hath not the Father" (I John 2:21-22).
>
>: For Christ the King,
>: Ben Johson
>: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>
>Nice, Ben. Now tell us which parts of this are literal, and which parts 
>are figurative. After all, you still have yet to tell us how _we_ could 
>know the difference!
>
    You cannot, for it is not given to you to know. :)  You must have
"eyes to see and ears to hear."



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:18:43 PDT 1995
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From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
Subject: Jim Collier is a Yid pussy
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In article <40b93r$deb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jwccti1@aol.com (JWCCTI1) writes:
>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (ben-Trash, Christian) ranted:
>
>>  The Israelites DID  [worship Jesus] -they are the Anglo-Saxon,
>>  Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples.
>
>[deleted]
>
>> For Christ the King,
>> Ben Johson
>> bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>
>
>Utter bullshit.
>
     At least he tells you what's going to be in his post up front....

>There is not one piece of evidence for this.  

Except for the millions of Christians throughout European history and the
fact that Christianity was contained to Europe until the 1500s.

>The Anglo-Saxons came
>from modern Saxony in present-day north Germany and Denmark, in the
>fourth through eighth centuries.  Their travels are well documented. 
>
     Yes, they did.  And the Germans came from the Assyrian captivity. 
II Esdras talks about *some* Israelites entering Arsareth, modern day SE
Europe.

>The people who were the Germans had come to central Europe from 
>further east, specifically the Asian steppe, and conquered native peoples,
>
     Get the book "Tracing Our White Ancestors" by Haberman for exactly
where the Germans came from.  Or get the Scriptures For America catalog at
ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA

>In Julius Caesar's (died 44 BCE) day, they were called the Goths.  They 
>already ranged from the Carpathians to present-day Normandy in his time.
>
As I recall, the Assyrian invasion was before 44 B.C., so what this has to
do with anything is a mystery to all non-Colliers.

>Jews, also entered
>Europe through Greece and Iberia first, 

Here he admits some things he should not.  Greece is Arsareth I referred
to above.  But they did this LONG before 44 B.C.!  They did it and it is
recorded in II Esdras, which documents the action as long before Colier
admits it happened.
      ALso, "Iberia" means "Peninsula of the *Hebrews*"!  The Celts
(Irish, specifically) came from Iberia and one of their earlier tribal
names reflects this.  THEY were the "Heberws" (Israelites) for which
Iberia was named!

>and then elsewhere along the 
>Mediterranean, and usually lived apart, but near other pagan or Christian,
>and later Muslim peoples.  
>
     The problem:  If Jews only entered AFTER Christians were around, then
they cannot be Israelites, or II Esdras would not have recorded what it did.
     This still all evades the issue of ISRAELITES ACCORDING TO THE FLESH
being prophecied to accept Christ!  Jews never have, and it speaks volumes
rigth there.
     If any Christians want anymore info., e-mail me or check the ftp site.

>Jim Collier
>
is a pussy.


Ben
bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin>      I don't care about Jews.  Believe it or not, there are some segments
   Benjamin> of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,

Your delusions are tragicomic...

If .005% of the population held your insane
bigoted ideas I would be worried, your 97%
figure is as crazy as most of your ideas.

ah

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>Finally, Christ-boy realizes what those of us with brains have known for 
>a long time: he has cooked his own goose with his literal/figurative 
>nonsense. Good riddance, Ben! If it's any consolation, you weren't 
>fooling anybody with enough brains to tie his/her shoes, anyway.
>
     When was the last time anyone here tied "his/her **SHOES**"????  That
must take brains, indeed.

>Funny -- given the lack of Jewish accomplishment, we still manage to rule 
>the world (in the diseased minds of people like Ben).
>
     Ben does not believe Jews rule the world-God rules the world.  

>Nice to see that you won't be responding to me (or other Jews). 
>
     This does not mean I will not answer Jewish posts, only that I do not
"discuss" things with Jews.  I will cite Jewish posts to preach to the
lurkers, or in your case, to show them your INCREDIBLE brain power.  
     No wonder (according to "The Dispossessed Majority") 70% of all
comedians are Jews.  To quote that old Ringo Starr song, all you've gotta
do is "Act Naturally."

>
>: >:      Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
>: >: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: >: how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
>: >: your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>: >
>
>People have better memories than that, Ben. Many posters cited vast 
>passages from the Talmud and comments from scholars, proving 
>conclusively that you were misrepresenting the passages in question. 
>
     No, they kvetched and produced nothing.  Stein tried hard, but all
his citings were out of context-something he accuses me of.  The
psychological term for that is "projection."  Sigh....

>: >: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: >: Ben Johnson
>: >: bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 
>: >
>
>Remember your commitment not to respond to Jews, Ben. 

     No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
Now, go blow off.

Ben


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Subject: Re: Who is a Jew? (was Re: Ben Johnson's heritage)
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In article <40dlv3$hhe@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>>>and decided to adopt it.  This is doubtful.  The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them
>of
>>>it,
>>>>and the rabbis did so.  
>>>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the 
>>>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it's maximum. 
>>     ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>
>No Ben. You are wrong. The scholars say the max number of Jews there 
>was 35000. 
>
     Who increased #s after they migrated-kind of like Adam and Eve.  The
number of initial converts is a false question.

>>which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further
>and
>>further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
>
>This is a fantacy view of history for which there is no evidence, 
>
     Read "The 13th Tribe" and any material from Benjamin Freedman.  Proof
is all there.

>>His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
>>study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>
Ben


From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:18:49 PDT 1995
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>> Except for the millions of Christians throughout European history and
>the
>> fact that Christianity was contained to Europe until the 1500s.
>
>As is well known, Trashy, this is because after three centuries 
>of Christianity in the capital of the Roman empire, the emperor
>Constantine
>finally accepted Christianity himself and took his creed to Byzantium
>where he built Constantinople.  It spread north from there and from
>Rome.  Because of Christianity's creed of evangelism, it never stopped
>spreading.
>
     Christianity dates back before the invasion of Rome.  Ancient history
is always taught from the Roman rather than the British point of view.  
     The Druid and Levitical priesthood were similar.  Archeologists even
found a temple in England the EXACT measurements of the Temple measurements.  

>>>The Anglo-Saxons came
>>>from modern Saxony in present-day north Germany and Denmark, in the
>>>fourth through eighth centuries.  Their travels are well documented. 
>>>
>>     Yes, they did.  And the Germans came from the Assyrian captivity. 
>> II Esdras talks about *some* Israelites entering Arsareth, modern day SE
>> Europe.
>
>>      Get the book "Tracing Our White Ancestors" by Haberman for exactly
>> where the Germans came from.  Or get the Scriptures For America catalog
>at
>> ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA
>
>I'm not *interested* in anything so irrelevant as "Scriptures for America"
>to tell me about European anthropology.  
>
No, you are content to remain ignorant when your views of anthropology are
refuted beyond all doubt by the above-cited book.
     Anyone interested should get that book.

>> Here he admits some things he should not.  Greece is Arsareth I referred
>> to above.  But they did this LONG before 44 B.C.!  They did it and it is
>> recorded in II Esdras, which documents the action as long before Colier
>> admits it happened.
>>     ALso, "Iberia" means "Peninsula of the *Hebrews*"!  The Celts
>> (Irish, specifically) came from Iberia and one of their earlier tribal
>> names reflects this.  THEY were the "Heberws" (Israelites) for which
>> Iberia was named!
>
>These were SEMITES that went to Spain, and they stayed

Now you're catching on!  

>Your theory about the origin of the name "Iberia" may or may not
>be right.  There is also the Rio Ebro in Spain, which is very similar
>to "ebreo", Spanish for "Hebrew".  
>
It is right, of course.

>know this?  The Jews were finally expelled in 1492.  

Which in itself PROVES JEWS ARE NOT "ISRAELITES."  God said in Genesis He
would bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee, didn't
He?  Well, in 1492, after 80,000 Jews were expelled from the country,
Columbus "discovered" America & Spain reaped wealth beyond compare!  Kind
of an odd "cursing," Jim.

>Some of
>them went north, and of these, a few went to Ireland
>
That doesn't explain why their ENTIRE country maintains the linguistic
attachment to "Iberia" (of the "Hebrews") as the land of "Eire."  Nor does
it explain their ENTIRE tribal name, the Danaan, coming from the Israelite
tribe of Dan.

>>     The problem:  If Jews only entered AFTER Christians were around,
>then
>> they cannot be Israelites, or II Esdras would not have recorded what it
>did.
>>      This still all evades the issue of ISRAELITES ACCORDING TO THE
>FLESH
>> being prophecied to accept Christ!  Jews never have, and it speaks
>volumes
>> rigth there.
>
>allegedly came down and told Miryam she was preggers.  The fact that
>you think that a woman can get that way without a man around
>speaks volumes!  

According to you, "Jews" (specifically, about 3) wrote the line, "A virgin
shall conceive and bring forth a child ... " in Isaiah.  

Collier-another reason Jews should use birth control.


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In article <40o6n2$hv0@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>
>[parts of Collier's humiliation of Ben and his slithering attempts to 
>extricate himself deleted]
>
>: Which in itself PROVES JEWS ARE NOT "ISRAELITES."  God said in Genesis He
>: would bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee, didn't
>: He?  
>
>And this is to be read literally or figuratively, Ben?
>
     Check out Galatians chapter 3 for the correct interpretation, once
again proving my answer perfect.

Ben



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In article <40ou4v$orv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> lsd@ix.netcom.com (Lane Singer) writes:
>In <9508141814.AA20426@slogra.li.net> asloman@li.net (Arnold Sloman)
>writes: 
>
>>By the way, please note that our hate mongering friend Ben, used 
>>the PC "his/hers".
>
>This is rich. Yeah, Ben Johnson sure is PC, Arnold. Your insight is
>stunning.
>
     Heck, maybe I'm too liberal.... :)
Ben



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In article <40pd82$2kf@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:

     Let's face it, this "d.A." schm@ck has too much free time on his
hands. :) 

>: >: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: >: writings. 
>: >: >
>: >: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >: >
>: >:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: >: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: >: 
>: >: _BJ
>: >: 
>: >
>: >If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>: >is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>: >
>:      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
>: remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
>: a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
>: better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
>:      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
>: intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
>: explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 
>: 
>: -BJ
>
>For the benefit of those who missed the original sequence of postings and 
>see only this one and the previous one from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>let me recapitulate what happened.
>
>>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>>:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>>: writings.
>
>Now the only person I have heard of whose name vaguely resembles "Koelter" 
>and who has written on the subject is Arthur Koestler.
>
>I suspected that the author of the posting from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>was feigning erudition and scholarship -- maybe the author of the posting
>had once heard the name dropped in conversation and misrecalled it.
>Nevertheless, it could have been merely stenographic ineptitude, so I
>responded by asking:
>
>"Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?"
>
>Such a simple, direct question presented the author of the posting
>from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu with the opportunity to correct
>an oversight, or to go to a book and check and cover his tracks
>by claiming to have simply mis-typed.
>
>Instead the response from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu was
>
>"Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>
>
>To this I replied that the author of "Darkness at Noon" was
>Arthur KOESTLER, not Koelter, and provided a brief not on his 
>person, including the several ways his grandfather Leopold
>had spellt the family name --- none of them "Koelter".
>I pointed out that he had been a war correspondent in 
>the Spanish Civil War, and that he is renowned for far more
>than his several novels. (He was something of a cause celebre
>during the Spanish Civil War, where he was captured by Franco's
>forces and sentenced to hang. International efforts led to
>his getting to London alive.)
>
>It was in this posting that I wrote 
>
>"If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously."
>
>which was based on the apparent inability/unwillingness of the
>author of the postings from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu to
>either simply correct an oversight or check details when 
>attention is brought -- be it ever so gently -- to a crass error.
>
>The response to that was to repost sections of previous postings
>after some "creative editing", correcting "Koelter" to "Koestler"
>and making it seem as if I had qeried the claim that Arthur
>Koestler had written literature.
>
>The fact of the matter is that the only point I take issue with is
>the use of inverted commas around the word "literature" by the author 
>of the postings from  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu when referring to
>the works of Arthur Koestler.
>
>This "creative edition" or "parsimony with the truth" dispells
>any residual doubts which may be still preserved by the most 
>of Christian notions of "Christian Charity".
>
>
>It is clear that either the posting came from someone
>with no intellectual integrity, no scholarly standards, and complete
>ignorance who was bluffing and blustering his/her/its way through
>a mess of his/her/its own creation or, perhaps more kindly, a failed
>experiment in artificial intelligence, designed to churn out more
>or less random sentences in response to postings and questions.
>If the latter, then the person responsible for it should look
>more closely at the software, for it is grossly deficient. If,
>on the other hand, the software passes all tests, then the only 
>explanation which makes sense is that the naighbour's dog pissed 
>into the hardware.
>
>It does not take a Fred Leuchter to prove that canine urine
>can wreak havoc on electronic hardware.
>
>d.A.




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In article <40pe3s$825@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>In my previous posting, I relied on my memory as I do
>not have archives of previous postings.
>
     WAY too much free time.  

>Another contributor to this group kindly supplied me
>with the arvival material. Readers can check my memory
>against the archives.
>
>>From ibokor@metz.une.edu.au Tue Aug 15 01:53:30 EDT 1995
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>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
>Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
>variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
>There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".
>
>Koestler did various things throughout his life, including working as
>a correspondent for the Comintern in Spain during the Spanish Civil War. 
>(See his "A Spanish Testament") He settled later in London, where he stayed 
>rather active, writing extensively on a number of topics, ranging from
>politics through psychology and philosophy, in addition to novels.
>
>He was one of the founders of "Exit", an organisation which provides 
>information for people who wish to end their own lives. He did so himself,
>together with his wife in 1983. He was terminally ill with cancer.
>
>I must admit, however, that this "faux pas" is the least of your
>sins against the principles of scholarship and against intellectual
>integrity.
>
>d.A.
>
>
>>From hmazal@txdirect.net  in San Antonio, Texas Tue Aug 15 01:53:43 EDT 1995
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>Mr. Ibokor questions Mr. Johnson's capital knowledge of contemporary authors:
>
>>   bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>
>>  >:(text deleted) Arthur Koelter,  and many others
>>  >
>>  >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>>  >
>>       Wrote  ...  "Darkness at noon" ...
>
>The man's name is Koestler, Mr. Johnson. Hence the doubts expressed by Mr. Ibokor.
>
>And yes, he also wrote _Darkness at Noon_. His only book worth reading.
>
>Got it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>>:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>>: writings. 
>>
>>Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>>
>     Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>
>_BJ
>
>
>




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>> >>By the way, please note that our hate mongering friend Ben, used the 
>> >>PC "his/hers". 
>> > 
>> >This is rich. Yeah, Ben Johnson sure is PC, Arnold. Your insight 
>> >is stunning. 
>> > 
>>      Heck, maybe I'm too liberal.... :) 
>> Ben 
>>  
>Maybe somwhere in the dark recesses of that cesspool of hate, anger, 
>and fear, there is a spark of decency???...... NAH! 
>
    Maybe somewhere in the dark recesses of your cesspool of
unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable name-calling there is a remnant of a
sense of humor.  

Ben


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In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>
>
>Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>
I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>
     I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)

Ben



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In article <40r74f$2ud@floyd.santarosa.edu> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu (Wandering) writes:
>Quoth Benjamin Johnson:
>
>:      Let's face it, this "d.A." schm@ck has too much free time on his
>: hands. :) 
>
>Translation: "I cannot rebut his refutation, so I will make fun of the length
>of his post and hope that no one notices that my criticism also applies to
>my own posts."
>
Fine, d@ammit, I admit-I misspelled Koestler one time and let *him* get
away with it another.  Crucify me.

>-  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
>nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
>dissected in front of 20,000,000 people, if I want to and am bored enough...




From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:18:55 PDT 1995
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     Well, folks, it's that time again....VACATION!  Gotta go.  I'll miss
     Just some parting thoughts to leave you all with:
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     I expect Mr. Buehler to be hot at the presses while I'm gone, and he
knows I can't respond.  That is how Buehler does most of his work.  It
never occurs to him (or any of you) I could just be trolling to see that
reaction ... :)

Regards,
Ben "the liberal" Johnson 



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In article <40t1ig$sep@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
     Clown Prince Royce Buehler is at it again!  Hold your sides! 
    I TOLD YOU ROYCE "LYING TO PROTECT BLASPHEMERS" BUEHLER WOULD START
POSTING DEFAMATION THE MINUTE I COULDN'T DEFEND MYSELF (glad I was back
for a minute).

>[March 8]:
>>      The bible says public blasphemers of any ethnic group ought to be put
>> to death before they turn people away from the living God.  We are also
>> called to follow God's Laws-period.  Not to give our opinion, just to
>> *obey* and failure to do so is sin. 
>
>And who qualifies as a "blasphemer"? Ben says, In article :
>
>>      To indulge you on this issue for the last time on this thread, to me
>> anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ, Son of God,is a blasphemer,
>
>That covers almost all the Jews, all right. Of course, it also covers all
>the Muslims, Buddhists, and a lot of less traditional Christians. It's
>just that Ben hates the Jews most, so he wants to *start* the killing there.

    What, Mr. Buehler, is your justification for:
1.  Calling this kind of punishment "murder" when the Book you allegedly
   subscribe to mandates it as a punishment for said crime?
2.  Saying I "hate the Jews most"?  
3.  Saying I want to "start" the "murder" (see #1) with Jews?
4.  Saying that the "murder" (#1) would occur at all if Jews and all other
   unbelievers simply did not make any public profession of unbelief? 

>There's no telling where - or if - it would end.
>
5.  Or this blatant canard?

>But this is rather abstract. How does it work out in practice? Well, Identity
>adherents have committed two known murders of Jews thus far: Alan Berg in
>Colorado, and a pawnshop proprietor in Lousiana 

     ....and Jewish adherents have committed X # of murders....and
Lutheran adherents have committed X # of murders....
     There is no linking any INDEPENDENT GROUP of individuals that chose
to call themselves (or more appropriately, Royce's only source for his
crap, the media chose to call) Identity Christians to any other.  All are
independent-like holding a Presbyterian responsible because a Mormon
committed armed robbery.  
     Mr. Buehler has been reminded of this fact ad infinitum, and the fact
that he refuses to acknowledge it only shows his own propensity to lie
knowingly. (For non-Identity documentation, I recommend comments in *88*
by Andy Oakley, an investigative journalist who infiltrated sundry
right-wing groups.  His conclusion:  they are tiny, unorganized and war
over members).

>(the Identity "Christians"

    There he is again as "keeper of the keys."  If you don't believe the
Jews=Israel, you CAN'T be a Christian.  However, to elevate Jews to a
state of a perfect race and "God's own chosen" (Mr. Buehler's words) is
right and good. 
     "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" (James 1:8).

>>>I think you will find that Rick & Benjamin promote the same agenda.
>>>They are filled with hate, hearts filled with murder.  

See #1 above.

>>>they would love to murder me, my wife, and my children simply
>>>because we are Jewish. 
>
>>     No, 'cause you're an unbeliever.  
>
>This was the poster's first comment on the thread. Ben knew nothing about
>him except that he was Jewish 

     Jack had spoken a number of times on how he had been a "Messianic Jew"
and then converted back to Judaism.  It is a well known fact & was
publicized on a parallel thread. He thus is a blasphemer (culpable under
Bible Law) & falls into St. Peter's declaration about how the pig returns to
the filth and the dog returns to his vomit.
     Incidentally, he later apologized to me for his actions on a later
thread.  YOU IN ALL YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUS IMPORTANCE HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED
FOR KNOWINGLY LYING ABOUT ME.  "By their fruits ye shall know them."
>
>> If they are of a cognizant age (that could
>> be determined individually by the court itself at their trial for public
>> blasphemy, fi thye engage in such an activity.) , that's one story.  I was
>> assuming Jack was middle-aged and his kids were my age-sholdn't have, but
>> then you shouldn't have imputed your holier-than-thou, humanisitc,
>> unChristian assertions on me.
>
>Ben can't keep his story straight. When you back him into a corner, he'll
>throw in weasel words ("if they engage in such an activity"). 

     They're only "weasle words" if I mean what *you* maintain I mean (i.e., I
want racial genocide of all ethnic Jews).  I have consistenly denied that
is my desire.  Thus, these are words of true policy.  Nothing is to be
done to those who do not ACTIVELY do something.  You cannot accept this-it
doesn't fit 1)You own omniscient, presupposed imputed motives which were
gleaned from 2) media portrayals of the same.  
     Speaking of weasle words-how did you get out of apologizing for
knowingly lying, Royce?  

>But on his
>own, as the above example illustrates, he simply assumes of any given Jew
>that she is of course a blasphemer and must of course be killed. 
>
     Remember the 5 definitions of "Jew":
1.  A descendant of Judah.
2.  A member of the house of Judah (Judah, Benjamin & Levi).
3.  A Judean (in NT only).
4.  A follower of Judaism (post-NT).
5.  A member of the modern ethnicity "Jews" (Khazars, Edomites, et. al.).

     Dealing with the 4th definition "Jew" alone, they are by DEFINITION
all blasphemers.  As stated before, those who belong to the ethnic
classification "Jews" or any other ethnic group are only prosecuted by a
court and their jurisprudicial standards are set forth in the OT.

>At the time, I accepted Ben's statement that he "assumed" the poster's children
>were his own age. But now, having seen him weasel and wobble so hard on so
>many things, I no longer credit him with that level of honesty. 

     Ah, yes-except that I've always held the same line on this.  GASP....
No "weasling," no "wobbling," just imputed "errors" that are never proven
wrong from wailing Jews.  

>Any ordinary
>person, on seeing the phrase "my wife and my children", immediately pictures
>a wife and some little kids. 

  ....in the make-believe world of Buehler.  
    One does not behave so after hearing Jack Nadelman describe himself as
middle-aged, roughly the same age as his colleg-aged friends' fathers.

>and inconsistent with his public "reasons" for his hatred, to be eager to
>carve up babies. 

     Royce Buehler lie #627,000 (one of his favorites):  I want to carve
up babies.

>his kids were my age" was just one more in his long string of lies.
>

And now he knows what I think, too....
     Remember, you can trust Royce Buehler-to lie about you when he thinks
you've gone away.

Ben


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In article <40t5fh$glh@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> mswihart@palette.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>>>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>>>what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>>>
>>I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>
>Do you have any reference(s) to when/where Episcopalians pray to
>Mother Sophia?
>
>The best possible would be a reference to a place in an Episcopalian
>prayer book that has a prayer to Mother Sophia.
>
>(Based on my knowledge of Episcopalians, I cannot give any credibility to
> your idea that Episcopalians pray to Mother Sophia without any
> supporting evidence. Perhaps you meant something/someone else?)
>
     Actually, Cincinnati is (apparently) the head of one branch of the
Episcopalian church in America.  It is breaking away from the rest of the
E.C. USA because of the above.  No official prayer book has that to my
knowledge, but they do so as part of the ReImagining Conference, "Maybe
God is a She" concept.  
     
BJ



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In article <40t7ni$13b@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>> >
>>      I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
>> Christ.  And they respond in droves. > you (and Royce Buehler) are.
>
>How come none of this vast flock of your groupies ever posts in here? 

     They don't want to have to put up with stench like you.  
>
>Dozens of Christians have posted to point out your falsehoods and bent
>interpretations. 

WOA-"dozens"?  You'd better do some revisionist history on those numbers,
Royce....

BJ


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In article  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>(Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>> 
>>      No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
>> posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
>> respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
>> truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
>> your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
>> Now, go blow off.
>
> 
>Ah, once again, a living example of the Christian concept of "love thy
>neighbor."
>
     Jews are not classified as "neighbors."



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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <40rr8n$1bse@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
   >>> >bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
   >>> >
   >>> >
   >>> >Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
   >>> >what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
   >>> >
   >>> I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
   >>> >
   >>> I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)
   >> 
   >>> Ben
   >> 
   >> OK, Ben. First you don't respond to "yid posts" (though you recently 
   >> tried to slither out of that, before finding that I had saved the post in 
   >> which you announced it). 

   Benjamin> AK, I don't know how to tell you this, but I don't care WHAT you saved.  

   >> Now you don't "post to antagonistic 
   >> `Christians'." When you get right down to it, you're really only 
   >> addressing the handful of Identity Christians in the world who learned at 
   >> some point how to read. Is this not true?
   >> 
   Benjamin>      I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
   Benjamin> Christ.  And they respond in droves.  They see exactly what kind of people
   Benjamin> you (and Royce Buehler) are.

Yes, lots better than you.  Infinitely better than you.

You are pond scum.  You should be watched and sent to jail
for life if you ever act on your beliefs.

   >> Also, I would like to know whether Royce is correct in saying that you 
   >> would like to see most Jews killed.
   >> 
   Benjamin>      Of course you would. :)  What I'll say is this, if Royce Buehler says
   Benjamin> it, it can't be true. :)

You have said that Jews should be killed.  You have said that homosexuals 
should be killed.  I bet that there are only several hundred racist pigs
in the world that would escape your sword if you had your way.

You will not have your way.  You are a ten sigma event.

ah

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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
   >> In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
   >> (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
   >>> 
   >>> No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
   >>> posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
   >>> respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
   >>> truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
   >>> your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
   >>> Now, go blow off.
   >> 
   >> 
   >> Ah, once again, a living example of the Christian concept of "love thy
   >> neighbor."
   >> 
   Benjamin>      Jews are not classified as "neighbors."

You are not a christian.

ah

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In article <40rr8n$1bse@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>: >bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>: >
>: >
>: >Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>: >what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>: >
>: I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>: >
>:      I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)
>
>: Ben
>
>OK, Ben. First you don't respond to "yid posts" (though you recently 
>tried to slither out of that, before finding that I had saved the post in 
>which you announced it). 

AK, I don't know how to tell you this, but I don't care WHAT you saved.  

>Now you don't "post to antagonistic 
>`Christians'." When you get right down to it, you're really only 
>addressing the handful of Identity Christians in the world who learned at 
>some point how to read. Is this not true?
>
     I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
Christ.  And they respond in droves.  They see exactly what kind of people
you (and Royce Buehler) are.

>Also, I would like to know whether Royce is correct in saying that you 
>would like to see most Jews killed.
>
     Of course you would. :)  What I'll say is this, if Royce Buehler says
it, it can't be true. :)

Ben


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     I just wanted to respond to keep this title going. :)

Ben



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In article <403q8t$ghm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Shame on all of you good guys and gals! I told you while I was away, to 
>remind Ben Johnson of his (virtually admitted) inability to distinguish 
>between the literal and figurative in the Bible, if he posts material 
>based on it. Noone has done it! I can't go away for two weeks?
>
     Shame on you, my Talmud-thumpin' nemesis.  I answered your question. 
First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
on these points.  The work is available from those Christians who haven't
yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
     Second, I answered your question.
     Third, go away.

>Hi, Ben!
>
    I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK 



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In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
     Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
     Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

-BJ


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
   >>> >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
   >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
   >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
   >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
   >>> >: writings. 
   >>> >
   >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
   >>> >
   >>> Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
   >>> something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
   >>> 
   >>> _BJ
   >>> 
   >> 
   >> If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
   >> is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
   >> 

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

    Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
    variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
    There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".


   Benjamin>      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best

That is not what he said.  What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler's name is.

   Benjamin> remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
   Benjamin> a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
   Benjamin> better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
   Benjamin>      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
   Benjamin> intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
   Benjamin> explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 

Irony, to the extreme.

ah

(Followups set to "talk.politics.misc" where I am posting from.)


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>>: I answered your question. 
>>
>>No, you claimed that you wouldn't give me the answer, since I was a 
>>"dog." You then asked me the question.
>>
     Then I answered your question.  "Do you promise to tell the truth,
the WHOLE truth...." Well, at least you're honest.

>>: First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
>>: decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
>>: on these points.  
>>
>>You would, if you had a decent answer to give. 

No, as I stated, I'm not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don't CARE
what Jews think one way or another.

>>: The work is available from those Christians who haven't
>>: yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
>>
>>Then assuming you've read the work, you should have no trouble answering the
>>question. 
>>
     No trouble-I just don't waste my time with yids.

>>:      Second, I answered your question.
>>
>>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it. 

     Then they haven't been reading-I posted it over 3 weeks ago.

>>How _do_ you tell 
>>when to interpret literally and when to interpret figuratively, Ben? 
>>
     My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
lurking, very simply:  For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled.  For example, Acts
ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel....You can even get a "cross-reference"
Bible, if you want to invest I think it's now @ $40, which will tell you
when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.  
     For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like.  Study
the use of symbols in similar prophecies ("Beast" in Rev. and Daniel,
which are overlapping prophecies).  That will point you in the direction
of what to look for.
     When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the
Lost Sheep of the House of Israel," the meaning is rather clear. 
     The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God's other
pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
clear.  

>>At least here, you're sticking to a level of argument that more suits 
>>your abilities. You're going down, Ben, and it's fun to watch!
>>
     Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
     Thanks for proving me right, AK.
     Christians:  For more info., e-mail me, or "anonymous" ftp to: 
ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA  

In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
Ben Johnson
bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:32:35 PDT 1995
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In article <4089vj$q84@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>     The Khazars were "influenced" by the Christian Russians to their
>>north and the Muslim Arabs to their south who were set to destroy each
>>other and claim Khazaria for themselves.  The Khazarians hedged their
>bets
>>and decided to convert to NEITHER of the religions but Judaism
>instead. 
>>According to their mythology, they found a book of the Law in some
>cave
>>and decided to adopt it.  This is doubtful.  The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them of
>it,
>>and the rabbis did so.  
>
>
>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the 
>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it's maximum. 
>
     ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
today (see the book "Iron Curtain over America" for fully
documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
     Interesting you mention "purity" and "African blood," since Esau
intermarried with Canaanites.  Since you are Esau's descendant, you can be
at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
     That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
marriage. :)


For more info., use "anonymous" ftp to:  ftp.netcom.com  cd /pub/SF/SFA

In Christ Jesus,
Ben
bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu


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In article <40bacs$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>:      ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>: Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
>: which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
>: further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
>: today (see the book "Iron Curtain over America" for fully
>: documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
>: hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
>:      Interesting you mention "purity" and "African blood," since Esau
>: intermarried with Canaanites.  Since you are Esau's descendant, you can be
>: at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
>: His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
>: study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>:      That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
>: marriage. :)
>
>A reminder for readers of Ben's posts: despite having sometimes cited the 
>Bible as literal truth, and another time having claimed that some of it 
>must be taken metaphorically, Ben has yet to answer how one decides what 
>to take literally, and what to take metaphorically. His biblical 
>exegeses, therefore, like the one above, are to be taken as primarily 
>humorous.
>
     Just a reminder that Adam Krims spent time just a few posts earlier
answering my answer to his question.  And he's an anti-Christ Jew, hence
not to be paid attention to by anyone who is not an animal lover. :)

Ben

>Just a friendly note,
>
>AK




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In article <40bbt6$j4q@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Ben finally ventures back into the snare he created for himself:
>
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >>: I answered your question. 
>: >>
>: >>No, you claimed that you wouldn't give me the answer, since I was a 
>: >>"dog." You then asked me the question.
>: >>
>:      Then I answered your question.  "Do you promise to tell the truth,
>: the WHOLE truth...." Well, at least you're honest.
>
>This is incoherent, as far as I can tell. Let's move on:
>
     which just proves you can't "tell" much.

>: No, as I stated, I'm not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don't CARE
>: what Jews think one way or another.
>
>Funny, you certainly spend a lot of time talking to us.
>
     Good point.  I'm done answering any yid posts.  Any Christians who
are interested in the TRUTH may e-mail me or check out ftp ftp.netcom.com
cd/pub/SF/SFA

>In fact, I don't think many Jews are interested in hearing you preach. 
>But the fact is, you have been posting biblical quotations for both Jews 
>and non-Jews, in the midst of which you have created two categories of 
>interpretation: literal and figurative. If you want anybody, Jewish or 
>otherwise, to take you seriously, you have some explaining to do about 
>this exegetic categories.
>
     I don't care about Jews.  Believe it or not, there are some segments
of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,
desire or are concerned with.  It's a stunning blow to an ego fed on the
lies of the "accomplishments" of its people (like Ethel Rosenberg, Karl
Marx, possibly Adolf Hitler....), but reality IS reality.

>: >>:      Second, I answered your question.
>: >>
>: >>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it. 
>
     No one else on this newsgroup cares.  Since this is an "argument"
between myself and a yiddish heathen (you), I need not answer anymore;
it's wasting time if that is the case.  False issues and whining Jews are
not my idea of a good time.

>:      My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
>: lurking, very simply:  For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
>: Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled.  For example, Acts
>: ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel....You can even get a "cross-reference"
>: Bible, if you want to invest I think it's now @ $40, which will tell you
>: when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.  
>:      For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
>: fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like.  Study
>: the use of symbols in similar prophecies ("Beast" in Rev. and Daniel,
>: which are overlapping prophecies).  That will point you in the direction
>: of what to look for.
>:      When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the
>: Lost Sheep of the House of Israel," the meaning is rather clear. 
>:      The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God's other
>: pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
>: with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
>: clear.  
>
>Well, at least here you're trying to address the issue, though you're 
>failing dismally. 

You see, rule #2-no one can "succeed" in an argument with a Jew but a Jew.
 It's like arguing with a staunch feminist, and for good reason, given the
inherently feminine-not to mention ANNOYING-aspect of the Jewish (lack of)
character.

>Your principal amounts to: read the Bible and you'll see 
>for yourself. 

Bingo!  The New Testament is so clear only a Jew could get it wrong. :)

>the Bible does not offer 
>up its own interpretations unproblematically. 

It does, if it is read and studied.  Jews don't bother with this, hence it
gives them problems.  

>:      Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
>: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
>: your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>
>I won't comment on this, Ben, since your trouncing on the issue of 
>molestation was widely witnessed by readers of this group. 

The "trouncing," after my posting of Talmud texts which prove that Jews
think molestation is OK if a girl is under 3 or the boy is uner 9 years of
age, consisted of wailing Jews kvetching, "We do not believe that!"
without a shred of documentary evidence.  Pretty good.
     Remember my truism on Jews and "debate"....

>:      Thanks for proving me right, AK.
>
>: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: Ben Johnson
>: bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 
>

>Lovingly,

Like I say, You've gotta love the "love" of a Jew.
To death. 


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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin>      I don't care about Jews.  Believe it or not, there are some segments
   Benjamin> of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,

Your delusions are tragicomic...

If .005% of the population held your insane
bigoted ideas I would be worried, your 97%
figure is as crazy as most of your ideas.

ah

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>Finally, Christ-boy realizes what those of us with brains have known for 
>a long time: he has cooked his own goose with his literal/figurative 
>nonsense. Good riddance, Ben! If it's any consolation, you weren't 
>fooling anybody with enough brains to tie his/her shoes, anyway.
>
     When was the last time anyone here tied "his/her **SHOES**"????  That
must take brains, indeed.

>Funny -- given the lack of Jewish accomplishment, we still manage to rule 
>the world (in the diseased minds of people like Ben).
>
     Ben does not believe Jews rule the world-God rules the world.  

>Nice to see that you won't be responding to me (or other Jews). 
>
     This does not mean I will not answer Jewish posts, only that I do not
"discuss" things with Jews.  I will cite Jewish posts to preach to the
lurkers, or in your case, to show them your INCREDIBLE brain power.  
     No wonder (according to "The Dispossessed Majority") 70% of all
comedians are Jews.  To quote that old Ringo Starr song, all you've gotta
do is "Act Naturally."

>
>: >:      Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and "debate" on the internet:  You
>: >: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: >: how you're wrong and "We 3-year-old girl molestin' Talmud believers are
>: >: your friends" en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>: >
>
>People have better memories than that, Ben. Many posters cited vast 
>passages from the Talmud and comments from scholars, proving 
>conclusively that you were misrepresenting the passages in question. 
>
     No, they kvetched and produced nothing.  Stein tried hard, but all
his citings were out of context-something he accuses me of.  The
psychological term for that is "projection."  Sigh....

>: >: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: >: Ben Johnson
>: >: bjohson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu 
>: >
>
>Remember your commitment not to respond to Jews, Ben. 

     No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
Now, go blow off.

Ben


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Subject: Re: Who is a Jew? (was Re: Ben Johnson's heritage)
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In article <40dlv3$hhe@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> mshulman@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson)
>>>>and decided to adopt it.  This is doubtful.  The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them
>of
>>>it,
>>>>and the rabbis did so.  
>>>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the 
>>>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it's maximum. 
>>     ....which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>
>No Ben. You are wrong. The scholars say the max number of Jews there 
>was 35000. 
>
     Who increased #s after they migrated-kind of like Adam and Eve.  The
number of initial converts is a false question.

>>which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further
>and
>>further west by each "host" nation) and is E. European Jewry
>
>This is a fantacy view of history for which there is no evidence, 
>
     Read "The 13th Tribe" and any material from Benjamin Freedman.  Proof
is all there.

>>His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate.  Also, an anthropological
>>study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>
Ben


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In article <40ou4v$orv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> lsd@ix.netcom.com (Lane Singer) writes:
>In <9508141814.AA20426@slogra.li.net> asloman@li.net (Arnold Sloman)
>writes: 
>
>>By the way, please note that our hate mongering friend Ben, used 
>>the PC "his/hers".
>
>This is rich. Yeah, Ben Johnson sure is PC, Arnold. Your insight is
>stunning.
>
     Heck, maybe I'm too liberal.... :)
Ben



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Subject: Re: Ben Johnson's heritage
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In article <40pd82$2kf@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <400vd8$i64@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:

     Let's face it, this "d.A." schm@ck has too much free time on his
hands. :) 

>: >: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: >: writings. 
>: >: >
>: >: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >: >
>: >:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: >: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: >: 
>: >: _BJ
>: >: 
>: >
>: >If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>: >is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>: >
>:      Ah, so his novels don't count, huh??  That is what he is best
>: remembered for, particularly "Darkness at Noon."  I personally don't give
>: a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
>: better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.  
>:      Funny how you missed that in your "post."  If that's how
>: intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
>: explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest. 
>: 
>: -BJ
>
>For the benefit of those who missed the original sequence of postings and 
>see only this one and the previous one from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>let me recapitulate what happened.
>
>>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>>:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>>: writings.
>
>Now the only person I have heard of whose name vaguely resembles "Koelter" 
>and who has written on the subject is Arthur Koestler.
>
>I suspected that the author of the posting from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>was feigning erudition and scholarship -- maybe the author of the posting
>had once heard the name dropped in conversation and misrecalled it.
>Nevertheless, it could have been merely stenographic ineptitude, so I
>responded by asking:
>
>"Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?"
>
>Such a simple, direct question presented the author of the posting
>from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu with the opportunity to correct
>an oversight, or to go to a book and check and cover his tracks
>by claiming to have simply mis-typed.
>
>Instead the response from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu was
>
>"Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>
>
>To this I replied that the author of "Darkness at Noon" was
>Arthur KOESTLER, not Koelter, and provided a brief not on his 
>person, including the several ways his grandfather Leopold
>had spellt the family name --- none of them "Koelter".
>I pointed out that he had been a war correspondent in 
>the Spanish Civil War, and that he is renowned for far more
>than his several novels. (He was something of a cause celebre
>during the Spanish Civil War, where he was captured by Franco's
>forces and sentenced to hang. International efforts led to
>his getting to London alive.)
>
>It was in this posting that I wrote 
>
>"If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously."
>
>which was based on the apparent inability/unwillingness of the
>author of the postings from bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu to
>either simply correct an oversight or check details when 
>attention is brought -- be it ever so gently -- to a crass error.
>
>The response to that was to repost sections of previous postings
>after some "creative editing", correcting "Koelter" to "Koestler"
>and making it seem as if I had qeried the claim that Arthur
>Koestler had written literature.
>
>The fact of the matter is that the only point I take issue with is
>the use of inverted commas around the word "literature" by the author 
>of the postings from  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu when referring to
>the works of Arthur Koestler.
>
>This "creative edition" or "parsimony with the truth" dispells
>any residual doubts which may be still preserved by the most 
>of Christian notions of "Christian Charity".
>
>
>It is clear that either the posting came from someone
>with no intellectual integrity, no scholarly standards, and complete
>ignorance who was bluffing and blustering his/her/its way through
>a mess of his/her/its own creation or, perhaps more kindly, a failed
>experiment in artificial intelligence, designed to churn out more
>or less random sentences in response to postings and questions.
>If the latter, then the person responsible for it should look
>more closely at the software, for it is grossly deficient. If,
>on the other hand, the software passes all tests, then the only 
>explanation which makes sense is that the naighbour's dog pissed 
>into the hardware.
>
>It does not take a Fred Leuchter to prove that canine urine
>can wreak havoc on electronic hardware.
>
>d.A.




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In article <40pe3s$825@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>In my previous posting, I relied on my memory as I do
>not have archives of previous postings.
>
     WAY too much free time.  

>Another contributor to this group kindly supplied me
>with the arvival material. Readers can check my memory
>against the archives.
>
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>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: >:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings. 
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>:      Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>: something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>: 
>: _BJ
>: 
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
>Arthur KOESTLER wrote "Darkness at Noon". The family name was written
>variously "Koestler", "Kestler" or "Kesztler" by his grandfather Leopold.
>There is no mention of its ever being "Koelter".
>
>Koestler did various things throughout his life, including working as
>a correspondent for the Comintern in Spain during the Spanish Civil War. 
>(See his "A Spanish Testament") He settled later in London, where he stayed 
>rather active, writing extensively on a number of topics, ranging from
>politics through psychology and philosophy, in addition to novels.
>
>He was one of the founders of "Exit", an organisation which provides 
>information for people who wish to end their own lives. He did so himself,
>together with his wife in 1983. He was terminally ill with cancer.
>
>I must admit, however, that this "faux pas" is the least of your
>sins against the principles of scholarship and against intellectual
>integrity.
>
>d.A.
>
>
>>From hmazal@txdirect.net  in San Antonio, Texas Tue Aug 15 01:53:43 EDT 1995
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>Mr. Ibokor questions Mr. Johnson's capital knowledge of contemporary authors:
>
>>   bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>
>>  >:(text deleted) Arthur Koelter,  and many others
>>  >
>>  >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>>  >
>>       Wrote  ...  "Darkness at noon" ...
>
>The man's name is Koestler, Mr. Johnson. Hence the doubts expressed by Mr. Ibokor.
>
>And yes, he also wrote _Darkness at Noon_. His only book worth reading.
>
>Got it?
>
>
>
>
>
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>In article <3vc4pn$cv3@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>>:       The majority of "Jews" of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.  Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>>: writings. 
>>
>>Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>>
>     Wrote "literature," his breakthrough was "Darkness at noon" or
>something to that effect-a pre-"1984."
>
>_BJ
>
>
>




From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:32:43 PDT 1995
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>> >>By the way, please note that our hate mongering friend Ben, used the 
>> >>PC "his/hers". 
>> > 
>> >This is rich. Yeah, Ben Johnson sure is PC, Arnold. Your insight 
>> >is stunning. 
>> > 
>>      Heck, maybe I'm too liberal.... :) 
>> Ben 
>>  
>Maybe somwhere in the dark recesses of that cesspool of hate, anger, 
>and fear, there is a spark of decency???...... NAH! 
>
    Maybe somewhere in the dark recesses of your cesspool of
unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable name-calling there is a remnant of a
sense of humor.  

Ben


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In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>
>
>Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>
I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>
     I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)

Ben



From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:32:45 PDT 1995
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In article <40r74f$2ud@floyd.santarosa.edu> nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu (Wandering) writes:
>Quoth Benjamin Johnson:
>
>:      Let's face it, this "d.A." schm@ck has too much free time on his
>: hands. :) 
>
>Translation: "I cannot rebut his refutation, so I will make fun of the length
>of his post and hope that no one notices that my criticism also applies to
>my own posts."
>
Fine, d@ammit, I admit-I misspelled Koestler one time and let *him* get
away with it another.  Crucify me.

>-  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =  -  =
>nattinso@nermal.santarosa.edu -- Flame mail will be gleefully posted and
>dissected in front of 20,000,000 people, if I want to and am bored enough...




From bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Mon Aug 21 18:32:46 PDT 1995
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     Well, folks, it's that time again....VACATION!  Gotta go.  I'll miss
     Just some parting thoughts to leave you all with:
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     I expect Mr. Buehler to be hot at the presses while I'm gone, and he
knows I can't respond.  That is how Buehler does most of his work.  It
never occurs to him (or any of you) I could just be trolling to see that
reaction ... :)

Regards,
Ben "the liberal" Johnson 



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In article <40t1ig$sep@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
     Clown Prince Royce Buehler is at it again!  Hold your sides! 
    I TOLD YOU ROYCE "LYING TO PROTECT BLASPHEMERS" BUEHLER WOULD START
POSTING DEFAMATION THE MINUTE I COULDN'T DEFEND MYSELF (glad I was back
for a minute).

>[March 8]:
>>      The bible says public blasphemers of any ethnic group ought to be put
>> to death before they turn people away from the living God.  We are also
>> called to follow God's Laws-period.  Not to give our opinion, just to
>> *obey* and failure to do so is sin. 
>
>And who qualifies as a "blasphemer"? Ben says, In article :
>
>>      To indulge you on this issue for the last time on this thread, to me
>> anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ, Son of God,is a blasphemer,
>
>That covers almost all the Jews, all right. Of course, it also covers all
>the Muslims, Buddhists, and a lot of less traditional Christians. It's
>just that Ben hates the Jews most, so he wants to *start* the killing there.

    What, Mr. Buehler, is your justification for:
1.  Calling this kind of punishment "murder" when the Book you allegedly
   subscribe to mandates it as a punishment for said crime?
2.  Saying I "hate the Jews most"?  
3.  Saying I want to "start" the "murder" (see #1) with Jews?
4.  Saying that the "murder" (#1) would occur at all if Jews and all other
   unbelievers simply did not make any public profession of unbelief? 

>There's no telling where - or if - it would end.
>
5.  Or this blatant canard?

>But this is rather abstract. How does it work out in practice? Well, Identity
>adherents have committed two known murders of Jews thus far: Alan Berg in
>Colorado, and a pawnshop proprietor in Lousiana 

     ....and Jewish adherents have committed X # of murders....and
Lutheran adherents have committed X # of murders....
     There is no linking any INDEPENDENT GROUP of individuals that chose
to call themselves (or more appropriately, Royce's only source for his
crap, the media chose to call) Identity Christians to any other.  All are
independent-like holding a Presbyterian responsible because a Mormon
committed armed robbery.  
     Mr. Buehler has been reminded of this fact ad infinitum, and the fact
that he refuses to acknowledge it only shows his own propensity to lie
knowingly. (For non-Identity documentation, I recommend comments in *88*
by Andy Oakley, an investigative journalist who infiltrated sundry
right-wing groups.  His conclusion:  they are tiny, unorganized and war
over members).

>(the Identity "Christians"

    There he is again as "keeper of the keys."  If you don't believe the
Jews=Israel, you CAN'T be a Christian.  However, to elevate Jews to a
state of a perfect race and "God's own chosen" (Mr. Buehler's words) is
right and good. 
     "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" (James 1:8).

>>>I think you will find that Rick & Benjamin promote the same agenda.
>>>They are filled with hate, hearts filled with murder.  

See #1 above.

>>>they would love to murder me, my wife, and my children simply
>>>because we are Jewish. 
>
>>     No, 'cause you're an unbeliever.  
>
>This was the poster's first comment on the thread. Ben knew nothing about
>him except that he was Jewish 

     Jack had spoken a number of times on how he had been a "Messianic Jew"
and then converted back to Judaism.  It is a well known fact & was
publicized on a parallel thread. He thus is a blasphemer (culpable under
Bible Law) & falls into St. Peter's declaration about how the pig returns to
the filth and the dog returns to his vomit.
     Incidentally, he later apologized to me for his actions on a later
thread.  YOU IN ALL YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUS IMPORTANCE HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED
FOR KNOWINGLY LYING ABOUT ME.  "By their fruits ye shall know them."
>
>> If they are of a cognizant age (that could
>> be determined individually by the court itself at their trial for public
>> blasphemy, fi thye engage in such an activity.) , that's one story.  I was
>> assuming Jack was middle-aged and his kids were my age-sholdn't have, but
>> then you shouldn't have imputed your holier-than-thou, humanisitc,
>> unChristian assertions on me.
>
>Ben can't keep his story straight. When you back him into a corner, he'll
>throw in weasel words ("if they engage in such an activity"). 

     They're only "weasle words" if I mean what *you* maintain I mean (i.e., I
want racial genocide of all ethnic Jews).  I have consistenly denied that
is my desire.  Thus, these are words of true policy.  Nothing is to be
done to those who do not ACTIVELY do something.  You cannot accept this-it
doesn't fit 1)You own omniscient, presupposed imputed motives which were
gleaned from 2) media portrayals of the same.  
     Speaking of weasle words-how did you get out of apologizing for
knowingly lying, Royce?  

>But on his
>own, as the above example illustrates, he simply assumes of any given Jew
>that she is of course a blasphemer and must of course be killed. 
>
     Remember the 5 definitions of "Jew":
1.  A descendant of Judah.
2.  A member of the house of Judah (Judah, Benjamin & Levi).
3.  A Judean (in NT only).
4.  A follower of Judaism (post-NT).
5.  A member of the modern ethnicity "Jews" (Khazars, Edomites, et. al.).

     Dealing with the 4th definition "Jew" alone, they are by DEFINITION
all blasphemers.  As stated before, those who belong to the ethnic
classification "Jews" or any other ethnic group are only prosecuted by a
court and their jurisprudicial standards are set forth in the OT.

>At the time, I accepted Ben's statement that he "assumed" the poster's children
>were his own age. But now, having seen him weasel and wobble so hard on so
>many things, I no longer credit him with that level of honesty. 

     Ah, yes-except that I've always held the same line on this.  GASP....
No "weasling," no "wobbling," just imputed "errors" that are never proven
wrong from wailing Jews.  

>Any ordinary
>person, on seeing the phrase "my wife and my children", immediately pictures
>a wife and some little kids. 

  ....in the make-believe world of Buehler.  
    One does not behave so after hearing Jack Nadelman describe himself as
middle-aged, roughly the same age as his colleg-aged friends' fathers.

>and inconsistent with his public "reasons" for his hatred, to be eager to
>carve up babies. 

     Royce Buehler lie #627,000 (one of his favorites):  I want to carve
up babies.

>his kids were my age" was just one more in his long string of lies.
>

And now he knows what I think, too....
     Remember, you can trust Royce Buehler-to lie about you when he thinks
you've gone away.

Ben


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In article <40t5fh$glh@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> mswihart@palette.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>>>bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>>>what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>>>
>>I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>
>Do you have any reference(s) to when/where Episcopalians pray to
>Mother Sophia?
>
>The best possible would be a reference to a place in an Episcopalian
>prayer book that has a prayer to Mother Sophia.
>
>(Based on my knowledge of Episcopalians, I cannot give any credibility to
> your idea that Episcopalians pray to Mother Sophia without any
> supporting evidence. Perhaps you meant something/someone else?)
>
     Actually, Cincinnati is (apparently) the head of one branch of the
Episcopalian church in America.  It is breaking away from the rest of the
E.C. USA because of the above.  No official prayer book has that to my
knowledge, but they do so as part of the ReImagining Conference, "Maybe
God is a She" concept.  
     
BJ



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In article <40t7ni$13b@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> buehler@space.mit.edu (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>> >
>>      I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
>> Christ.  And they respond in droves. > you (and Royce Buehler) are.
>
>How come none of this vast flock of your groupies ever posts in here? 

     They don't want to have to put up with stench like you.  
>
>Dozens of Christians have posted to point out your falsehoods and bent
>interpretations. 

WOA-"dozens"?  You'd better do some revisionist history on those numbers,
Royce....

BJ


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In article  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
>(Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>> 
>>      No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
>> posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
>> respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
>> truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
>> your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
>> Now, go blow off.
>
> 
>Ah, once again, a living example of the Christian concept of "love thy
>neighbor."
>
     Jews are not classified as "neighbors."



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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article <40rr8n$1bse@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
   >> Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
   >>> In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
   >>> >bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
   >>> >
   >>> >
   >>> >Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
   >>> >what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
   >>> >
   >>> I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
   >>> >
   >>> I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)
   >> 
   >>> Ben
   >> 
   >> OK, Ben. First you don't respond to "yid posts" (though you recently 
   >> tried to slither out of that, before finding that I had saved the post in 
   >> which you announced it). 

   Benjamin> AK, I don't know how to tell you this, but I don't care WHAT you saved.  

   >> Now you don't "post to antagonistic 
   >> `Christians'." When you get right down to it, you're really only 
   >> addressing the handful of Identity Christians in the world who learned at 
   >> some point how to read. Is this not true?
   >> 
   Benjamin>      I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
   Benjamin> Christ.  And they respond in droves.  They see exactly what kind of people
   Benjamin> you (and Royce Buehler) are.

Yes, lots better than you.  Infinitely better than you.

You are pond scum.  You should be watched and sent to jail
for life if you ever act on your beliefs.

   >> Also, I would like to know whether Royce is correct in saying that you 
   >> would like to see most Jews killed.
   >> 
   Benjamin>      Of course you would. :)  What I'll say is this, if Royce Buehler says
   Benjamin> it, it can't be true. :)

You have said that Jews should be killed.  You have said that homosexuals 
should be killed.  I bet that there are only several hundred racist pigs
in the world that would escape your sword if you had your way.

You will not have your way.  You are a ten sigma event.

ah

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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

   Benjamin> In article  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
   >> In article , bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
   >> (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
   >>> 
   >>> No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM.  My
   >>> posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
   >>> respond.  I can and will respond as I wish.  I will not discuss Biblical
   >>> truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
   >>> your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
   >>> Now, go blow off.
   >> 
   >> 
   >> Ah, once again, a living example of the Christian concept of "love thy
   >> neighbor."
   >> 
   Benjamin>      Jews are not classified as "neighbors."

You are not a christian.

ah

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In article <40rr8n$1bse@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> akrims@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson (bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: In article <40p3h1$16h@ns1.usa1.com> morisot@usa1.com (morisot) writes:
>: >bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Benjamin Johnson) wrote:
>: >
>: >
>: >Okay Ben, I'm an Episcopalian, have been all of my life.  How do you determine
>: >what in the Bible is to be taken literally, and what metaphorically?  
>: >
>: I said I don't post to pagans. :)  Keep prayin' to Mother Sophia.
>: >
>:      I should also note I don't post to antagonistic "Christians." :)
>
>: Ben
>
>OK, Ben. First you don't respond to "yid posts" (though you recently 
>tried to slither out of that, before finding that I had saved the post in 
>which you announced it). 

AK, I don't know how to tell you this, but I don't care WHAT you saved.  

>Now you don't "post to antagonistic 
>`Christians'." When you get right down to it, you're really only 
>addressing the handful of Identity Christians in the world who learned at 
>some point how to read. Is this not true?
>
     I'm posting to those who are interested in learning and serving
Christ.  And they respond in droves.  They see exactly what kind of people
you (and Royce Buehler) are.

>Also, I would like to know whether Royce is correct in saying that you 
>would like to see most Jews killed.
>
     Of course you would. :)  What I'll say is this, if Royce Buehler says
it, it can't be true. :)

Ben



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