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Subject: Nazis in America?? G*d forbid!
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Date: Saturday, 25-May-96 09:19 AM

_US Strips Another Man of Citizenship_

Alleged Lithuanian Nazi Aleksandras Lileikis, 88, was stripped of his US
citizenship yesterday (5/24/96) by US District Judge Richard Stearns.
Federal prosecutors say Lileikis was a secret police chief who helped
exterminate Lithuanian jews during World War II.  US Attorney Donald 
STERN
said "Today's decision represents an important, however modest, measure 
of
justice for the tens of thousands of jews who lost their lives under
Lileikis' command."  Lileikis is a retired publishing worker who had 
been
living quietly in Norwood, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.

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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun  2 12:15:32 PDT 1996
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From: Anton                    \ Internet:    (anton88@cris.com)
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Subject: ANA -- US Strips Man of Citizenship

_US Strips Man of Citizenship_ (ANA)

74-year-old retired tool-and-die maker Ferdinand Hammer was stripped of 
his
US citizenship today (5/22/96) because the government says he lied about
being an SS guard at a concentration camp during World War II.  This 
ruling
by US district Judge Horace Gilmore followed a four-day hearing and 
clears
the way for the government to have Hammer deported.  This morning Hammer,

who was born in Croatia, denied ever working in a concentration camp.  
The
government said Hammer was in the Waffen SS's Death's Head Battalion and
lied about it when he was seeking citizenship.  While seeking US 
citizenship
in 1962 he said he was a German soldier on the eastern front during the 
war.
 On Monday military historian Charles Sydnor, Jr., testified that World 
War
II documents prove that Hammer was an Auschwitz guard.  Sydnor, author 
of
_Soldiers of Destruction: A History of the SS Death's Head Division_, 
said
"Based on the evidence, as a historian, I have to conclude that he did 
serve
at Auschwitz."

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Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor








From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun  2 12:15:33 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: GOLDHAGEN slanders Germans
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29 April 1996

OPEN LETTER

Dr.Daniel Jonah Goldhagen
Professor of Government and Social Studies Harvard University Cambridge, 
MA
02138

Dear Professor Goldhagen:

Congratulations on the successful publication of your book: "Hitler's
Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust". It appeared 
just
in time for the yearly Holocaust shindig with which the docile mass of
Americans is now being inundated every year.

I cannot help but admire the Oberjuden and Zionist activists like you 
for
the virtuosity with which you play the "Holocaust-violin", and the
never-ending story of the forever persecuted (and naturally totally
innocent) Jewish people. To do that over and over again takes talents 
that
have been finely tuned for millenia, and, naturally, a stupid mass of 
goyim
that will always fall for the charade.

Your book is nonsense. Nevertheless, I am very grateful to you for 
having
written it.

When I read the first review of it, I immediately realized that the Bonn
vassals of the enemies of the German Reich would not like it. You 
probably
were not aware of it, but the thesis of your book runs counter to the 
very
basic principles upon which the German Bundesrepublik was founded, 
namely
upon the contention that the "Nazis" were but a small gang of criminals 
who
were merely able to capture the minds of ordinary Germans through 
insidious
propaganda.

Your assertion of the culpability of all Germans for the (alleged,
systematic) extermination of the Jews, (which) was only possible in an
atmosphere of pervasive anti-Semitism, obviously does not coincide with 
the
Bonn claims. Now the rulers of the Bundesrepublik are forced not only to
defend all Germans collectively but we can also expect that some of the
taboos will have to be abandoned that have hamstrung the Germans since 
1945.

I, myself, a German-American writer, had to suffer the legal consequences 
of
such taboos when last year I was incarcerated in a German prison for 5 
month
because I questioned certain incongruities of the "Holocaust".

When I state that the general thesis of your book is nonsense, then I am
referring to the fact that you seem to have forgotten that there had been 
a
great war, a World War, in which World Jewry was an active participant. 
In
other words, WWII was also a war between the Germans and the Jews.

In the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., there is a plaque pointing 
out
that during the war there had been more than a hundred Zionist and 
Communist
partisan groups' that attacked installations of the German Wehrmacht. And 
in
books about the partisans (terrorists!) one can read hat they often hid
among the civilian population of the ghettos after their terrorist acts. 
It
follows that many innocent Jews lost their lives when the Germans 
launched
anti-partisan measures, and had to bombard the ghettos.

Lastly, I can state unequivocally that during the entire war there were 
no
acts of violence by German civilians against the Jews still living in 
the
Reich.  In the Berlin phone book of 1941 there were still 110 different
Jewish organizations, schools, hospitals and so on listed. -- How many
Japanese-American groups still had telephone listings in San Francisco 
or
Los Angeles two years after Pearl Harbor?. . ."


Hans Schmidt 

I often think how very odd it is that one ethnic group can smear another
ethnic group for 50 years with all the money, might and media resources 
at
its commands, while the group being smeared, merely defending itself and
asking for a chance to clear its name, is called "hate mongering."

Ingrid






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Weekly Update 
Volume 3 Issue 9
May 16-23, 1996

DEMONIZING THE MILITIA 

     On Sunday, May 19 1996, millions of Americans had their breakfast 
and
morning coffee while reading the "Parade," a nationally distributed
newspaper insert magazine. Departing from the usual fill of feelgood 
stories
of triumph in the face of adversity and/or people making a positive
difference in others lives, the cover story "WILL THIS AGENCY SURVIVE?"
promised a look at the controversy surrounding the BATF, "reported" by 
Peter
Maas. What I read made me want to lose my breakfast. Right after reading
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA quoted "If I had to do it over again, I 
wouldn't
have done it" regarding his characterization of the BATF as "jack-booted
government thugs" in a fund- raising letter, and a list of the NRA's
attempts to restore 2nd amendment rights which have been infringed upon
(which of course, instead of assailing the unconstitutional gun laws 
that
congress has passed, the paragraph reads more like the BATF is trying to 
do
something underhanded.) comes this gem;
      "On other fronts the emergence of self-styled 'militias' has 
resulted
in more than 100 ATF agents receiving death threats in the last year.
Members of the so-called 'Michigan militia' reportedly gathered not only 
the
home addresses of ATF agents but also where their children attend school.
"
      Notice that the article doesn't say anything about the death 
threats
coming from anyone in the Michigan Militia, it SIMPLY LINKS TWO SEPARATE
EVENTS IN PRINT, CREATING A GUILTY-BY-ASSOCIATION IN THE READER'S MIND, 
in
an obvious attempt to demonize the Michigan Militia. This underhanded 
media technique
has been used repeatedly in government statements, so-called 'think-
tank'
reports and especially by The Associated Press to discredit and attempt 
to
divide the patriots of Michigan. I have noticed that this is an 
especially
favorite tool of the Anti-Defamation League, whose Detroit attorney made
several such inferences in a recent Press Q&A column. The ADL regularly
publishes erroneous information as they pretend to know what goes on in 
the
Michigan and other militias. They are the anti-thesis of anti-defamation.

      In the May 10 FBI alert article on the Militia 'war warning' the
Spokane Spokesman-Review says that the southern Poverty Law center
"estimates that there are more than 800 anti-government 'patriot' groups
nationwide, including 'white supremacists, neo-Nazis, common law freemen 
and
paramilitary militia.'" somehow. I had never really thought of the neo-
Nazis
as a patriot group before the all-knowing SPLC put it in print. And, 
when
did PRO- CONSTITUTION become ANTI-GOVERNMENT?
     Even before the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed, The
Associated Press was dis-informing and deceiving in its articles on the
militia, and even when they know that an article has outright lies in it,

The Grand Rapids press still prints it. (Most recently it's been 
printing
articles involving the Freemen where the AP has repeatedly stated that 
Norm
Olson is the leader of the Michigan Militia, when the Press knows full 
well
that he was voted out of his command and replaced by Lynn Van Huizen 
last
year). When I called the Press over a year ago and asked them about the
bogus Mark Koernke/blow-up-the-guard-camp story, which made it sound like 
he
was the leader of the Michigan Militia, I was told that they can't check 
out
the validity of every Associated Press article that they print, and 
referred
me to the AP office, who said they would check into it. They still 
haven't
explained it.
     The shark-like media feeding frenzy continues, seizing every
opportunity to link the words "Michigan Militia" with the Oklahoma City
bombing, white supremacists, white separatists, Aryan nation, neo-nazi,
angry white males, and the media favorite word - "extremists" etc., by
making a statement about one group and then the other. Very clever. 
These
media sharks, by not outrightly accusing the militias of anything, 
thereby
protecting themselves from libel. The media successfully demonizes the
militias and other true patriot groups by simply associating hate groups 
in
the same paragraph.
     Another media favorite is to call a group a 'militia' that has
absolutely nothing to
do with the real militia, such as in the 05/10/96 AP article titled 
"LORDS
OF CHAOS - Good teens caught up in arson, robbery and murder," about a 
group of
five rampaging teens who murdered a Fort Meyers, FL band director with a
12-gauge shotgun blast to the face. The article says "it was the work of 
a
self-described teen militia." There is no such thing!
     The Queen of media puppets though, has to be syndicated columnist 
Molly
Ivans, whose moronic 'militia hate group' drivel is regularly injected 
into
her ignorant ramblings - apparently based on all the Associated Press
articles that she has read. What really amazes me about these people
preaching so adamantly against "fostering hate" is that they seem to 
foster
so much of it themselves.
     While there may or may not be some people in the militia groups 
that
have extreme views, that does not change the intent, purpose or ideals 
of
the good majority of militia members, anymore than a church congregation
member with extreme views indicates that the whole church shares the 
same
views.

Arlynn Afton
Wyoming, MI
(submitted to the Grand Rapids Press)







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sively stregthened U.N. peace| tranquility of servitude better than the
force...The manufacture of   | animating cost of freedom, go home from 
us
armaments would be prohibited| in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms.

..All other armaments would | Crouch down and lick the hands which feed
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be destroyed..."             | May your chains set lightly upon you, and 
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: j*ws assault American
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Date: Saturday, 25-May-96 09:19 AM

_US Strips Another Man of Citizenship_

Alleged Lithuanian Nazi Aleksandras Lileikis, 88, was stripped of his US
citizenship yesterday (5/24/96) by US District Judge Richard Stearns.
Federal prosecutors say Lileikis was a secret police chief who helped
exterminate Lithuanian jews during World War II.  US Attorney Donald 
STERN
said "Today's decision represents an important, however modest, measure 
of
justice for the tens of thousands of jews who lost their lives under
Lileikis' command."  Lileikis is a retired publishing worker who had 
been
living quietly in Norwood, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.

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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 01:05 PM

From: Freematt's Alerts        \ Internet:    (freematt@coil.com)
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Subject: Timothy Wheeler, MD: Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and 
Loathing

=46rom: DRGOTWW@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 02:24:26 -0400

Subject: COMMENT : Antigun Orthopedists?

=46rom:  Timothy Wheeler, MD  (drgotww@aol.com)
Director, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (a Project of The 
Claremont
Institute), Claremont, California

The March 1996 issue of Orthopedics Today contained an article by John
McGinty, MD.  A medical doctor with no declared expertise in firearms 
other
than his feelings, Dr. McGinty attacked gun owners in general and the NRA 
in
particular.  Among his assertions:

1) =ECAssault weapons, semiautomatic weapons and handguns have only one
purpose: to shoot people.=EE

2) =ECWe can no longer afford to have the safety of our society...
dictated
b= y groups such as the National Rifle Association and the Doctors for
Integrity in Research and Public Policy under the guise of civil rights 
and
the Second Amendment.=EE

The text of Dr. McGinty=EDs article is accessible at the journal=EDs 
Web=
 site at
http://www.slackinc.com/ot.htm   Go to Current Issue and then to letters 
to
the editor, which contain links to the article.

With the managing editor=EDs permission I sent the following commentary
(edi=
ted
here for length) for publication as a documented rebuttal to Dr. 
McGinty=EDs
grievously biased accusations.  The editors refused to publish it, even
though they regularly print rebuttals to medical topics.  I now submit 
it
fo=
r
your review.

If you care to contact the editors about what appears to be willful
exclusio= n of contrary scholarship, you can reach them by e-mail at
 ortoday@slackinc.com or by writing:

    Editor, ORTHOPEDICS TODAY
    6900 Grove Road
    Thorofare,  NJ  08086

My response follows in two parts (full text available on request):


Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and Loathing

Timothy Wheeler, MD


The March Commentary in Orthopedics Today bared the strong emotions many 
of
us feel about guns.  Those health professionals who see a steady stream 
of
gunshot wound victims often come to think poorly of guns and gun owners.

But there is a downside to letting feelings drive our judgment as
physicians=
-
 An example of that danger was seen in Orthopedics Today in March, with 
the
statement that  =ECit has been conclusively shown that [handguns] are
responsible for increasing numbers of accidental injuries and deaths=EE. 

Th= is bold assertion agrees with what most doctors would conclude from
reading the headlines.  It is certainly what we have been told by the 
new
public health gun experts.  And it is wrong.

In fact, accidental firearm injuries and fatalities have been steadily
decreasing for the last 60 years. 1  There are numerous well-established
truths about guns which contradict the conventional public health wisdom.

 Here are a few:

1. Fewer than 1% of the guns owned by Americans are ever used in crimes 
2
2. States and regions with the strictest gun control laws have the 
highest
rates of gun-related crime 3
3. Americans use firearms as many as 2.5 million times each year to 
defend
against criminal attacks 4

How can it be that doctors have not been told the whole truth about guns? 
 A
huge body of research has been amassed by criminologists over the last 
20
years, much of it confirming what typical gun owning citizens know
intuitively: =ECgun violence=EE is the work of a small minority of 
criminal
aberrants, most of whom have a lifelong history of violent and 
antisocial
behavior.

The public health gun prohibitionists, however, start with an avowed
prejudice toward guns 5 which fatally biases their research.  In no 
other
area of medical research would such open prejudice be tolerated.  But
reformers have =ECreframed the debate=EE on firearms from the matrix of
criminology to that of public health.  When dissenting authors try to
presen= t their case, gun-loathing medical editors routinely reject it 
on
the grounds that it is not peer reviewed by physicians, as if doctors 
were
somehow the prevailing authorities on firearms!

Because of this embargo on opinions dissenting from antigun public 
health
orthodoxy, the debate is beginning to bypass medical forums.  Now we see 
the
real academic discussion about guns taking place in the law reviews and
criminology journals.


The contentious debate over firearms in our society will not be quelled
soon=
-
 But if we consider firearms to be in the domain of medical research, 
then
w= e must follow the science wherever it leads us.  Let=EDs work together 
to
lear= n the truth, and not be afraid of it.



Endnotes

1)  Accident Facts 1993 Edition: National Safety Council

2)  Kleck, G.  Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America,  Aldine de
Gruyter=
,
New York
      1991, p. 47

3)  Suter, E.  =ECGuns in the Medical Literature: a Failure of Peer 
Review=
=EE, J
Med Assoc of
     Georgia, Vol. 83, No. 13, March 1994, p. 143

4)  Kleck, G., Gertz, M.  =ECArmed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence 
and
Nature of
     Self-Defense With a Gun=EE, J Crim Law and Criminology, Vol. 86, No. 
1,
=46all 1995,
     p. 164.  Northwestern University School of Law

5)  Kassirer, J.  Editor=EDs Reply in =ECCorrespondence=EE, N Engl J Med.

19= 92;
326:1161


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 Date: Sunday, 05-May-96 03:14 PM

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
THE DUTY TO SEARCH FOR
WAR CRIMES SUSPECTS:

AN OPEN LETTER FROM AMNESTY
INTERNATIONAL TO IFOR COMMANDERS AND
CONTRIBUTING GOVERNMENTS

                                            AI Index: EUR 63/08/96
                                              London, 1 March 1996

Amnesty International is deeply concerned that the multinational 
military
Implementation Force (IFOR) is continuing to refuse to search for 
persons
suspected of genocide, other crimes against humanity and serious 
violations
of humanitarian law. The failure to carry out this law enforcement duty 
is a
clear breach by states contributing troops to IFOR of their obligations
under the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Security Council 
Resolution
827. It is also inconsistent with the principles of the General 
Framework
Agreement on Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina reached in Dayton, Ohio in
November 1995 (the peace agreement). It sends a clear message to all 
those
responsible for such crimes that to ensure impunity they need only avoid
coming into direct contact with IFOR as long as it is in Bosnia-
Herzegovina.

      Since the first IFOR troops arrived in Bosnia-Herzegovina last year,

spokespersons for IFOR and troop-contributing states have repeatedly 
stated
that they would not search for persons indicted by the International
Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (the Tribunal), but would 
arrest
suspects only if they encountered them. IFOR spokesperson, Lt. Col. Mark
Rayner, stated on 12 February, "IFOR troops have the authority, but not 
the
obligation, to detain indicted war criminals". According to reports, 
troops
have encountered more than one person who has been indicted by the 
Tribunal,
but failed to arrest them. Amnesty International welcomes the recent
announcement that IFOR is now informing its personnel of the identities 
of
people who have been indicted by the Tribunal by providing them with
photographs of some of the accused and instructing them to arrest any
accused they happen to encounter, if feasible. This step, however, fails 
to
fulfil state obligations to search for, arrest and bring to justice 
those
responsible for grave breaches of the four Geneva Conventions of August 
12,
1949 for the Protection of War Victims and its Additional Protocol I.

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal for grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is a clear 
violation
of international law. All the states contributing troops to IFOR are 
state
parties or succesor state-parties to the Geneva Conventions and each is
therefore obliged "to search for persons alleged to have committed, or 
to
have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such
persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts", the 
courts
of another state or an international criminal court (Geneva Convention No.

I, Art. 49; Geneva Convention No. II, Art. 50; Geneva Convention No. III,

Art. 129; Geneva Convention No. IV, Art. 146). This obligation applies 
in
all cases, not just when the Tribunal or a national court has indicted 
an
accused or asked for a suspect to be provisionally arrested. Thus, the 
duty
to search for people suspected of having committed or having ordered to 
be
committed such grave breaches is independent of any action taken by the
Tribunal or a national court. The Geneva Conventions expressly provide 
that
states parties to the Geneva Conventions may not absolve themselves of 
any
liability which they or other states parties have incurred in respect of
grave breaches (Geneva Convention No. I, Art. 51; Geneva Convention No. 
II,
Art. 52; Geneva Convention No. III, Art. 131; Geneva Convention No. IV, 
Art.
148). The official commentary by the International Committee of the Red
Cross makes clear that this common provision removes any doubt that the 
duty
to prosecute and punish the authors of grave breaches is "absolute".

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal also violates troop-contributing states' legal obligations to
implement Security Council Resolution 827 of 25 May 1993 establishing 
the
Tribunal. That resolution requires all states "to cooperate fully with 
the
International Tribunal" and to "take any measures necessary" to 
implement
the resolution, including compliance with Tribunal orders or requests 
for
assistance. There are no exceptions. The Tribunal has so far issued 13
indictments against 53 individuals. All but two have been indicted for 
grave
breaches. Only one person indicted, who was in custody in the Federal
Republic of Germany, has been transferred to the custody of the Tribunal 
in
the Hague, the Netherlands. None of the arrest warrants issued by the
Tribunal has been served, apart from provisional arrest warrants for two
individuals held in the custody of the authorities of Bosnia- 
Herzegovina
and transferred to the Hague. Most of the individuals indicted are 
believed
to have remained in the former Yugoslavia.

      The failure to search for and arrest persons suspected of having
committed or ordered grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is
inconsistent with the principles of the peace agreement. IFOR is obliged
under the peace agreement "to take such actions as required" to ensure
compliance with Annex I of the peace agreement. That Annex requires the
parties "to cooperate fully with any international personnel, including
investigators" of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council
understood when adopting Resolution 1031 on 15 December 1995 that 
resolution
and the peace agreement gave IFOR the authority to detain and transfer
persons indicted by the Tribunal.

      All the parties to the peace agreement are required to cooperate 
fully
with the Tribunal and FOR is responsible for implementation of the
agreement. The parties' cooperation has been limited. Bosnia-Herzegovina 
has
enacted legislation, deferred prosecutions at the request of the 
Tribunal
and provisionally arrested and transferred suspects to the Tribunal. 
Croatia
has permitted Tribunal investigators to operate on its territory, but 
has
not yet enacted necessary legislation. The Bosnian Serb authorities have
recently permitted investigators to operate in territory under their
control. It is a matter of serious concern, however, that, in clear
violation of the peace agreement, the Bosnian Serb authorities, the
authorities of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro),

the Croatian authorities and the Bosnian Croat authorities have all 
failed
to transfer persons who have been indicted to the Tribunal. Although it 
has
promised to do so, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has not yet 
permitted
the Tribunal to open an office or its investigators to operate freely in 
its
territory.

      IFOR is obliged under the peace agreement to establish a durable
cessation of hostilities, which includes ensuring that the parties
"cooperate fully with any international personnel including investigators 


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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Timothy Wheeler, MD: Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and 
Loathing

=46rom: DRGOTWW@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 02:24:26 -0400

Subject: COMMENT : Antigun Orthopedists?

=46rom:  Timothy Wheeler, MD  (drgotww@aol.com)
Director, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (a Project of The 
Claremont
Institute), Claremont, California

The March 1996 issue of Orthopedics Today contained an article by John
McGinty, MD.  A medical doctor with no declared expertise in firearms 
other
than his feelings, Dr. McGinty attacked gun owners in general and the NRA 
in
particular.  Among his assertions:

1) =ECAssault weapons, semiautomatic weapons and handguns have only one
purpose: to shoot people.=EE

2) =ECWe can no longer afford to have the safety of our society...
dictated
b= y groups such as the National Rifle Association and the Doctors for
Integrity in Research and Public Policy under the guise of civil rights 
and
the Second Amendment.=EE

The text of Dr. McGinty=EDs article is accessible at the journal=EDs 
Web=
 site at
http://www.slackinc.com/ot.htm   Go to Current Issue and then to letters 
to
the editor, which contain links to the article.

With the managing editor=EDs permission I sent the following commentary
(edi=
ted
here for length) for publication as a documented rebuttal to Dr. 
McGinty=EDs
grievously biased accusations.  The editors refused to publish it, even
though they regularly print rebuttals to medical topics.  I now submit 
it
fo=
r
your review.

If you care to contact the editors about what appears to be willful
exclusio= n of contrary scholarship, you can reach them by e-mail at
 ortoday@slackinc.com or by writing:

    Editor, ORTHOPEDICS TODAY
    6900 Grove Road
    Thorofare,  NJ  08086

My response follows in two parts (full text available on request):


Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and Loathing

Timothy Wheeler, MD


The March Commentary in Orthopedics Today bared the strong emotions many 
of
us feel about guns.  Those health professionals who see a steady stream 
of
gunshot wound victims often come to think poorly of guns and gun owners.

But there is a downside to letting feelings drive our judgment as
physicians=
-
 An example of that danger was seen in Orthopedics Today in March, with 
the
statement that  =ECit has been conclusively shown that [handguns] are
responsible for increasing numbers of accidental injuries and deaths=EE. 

Th= is bold assertion agrees with what most doctors would conclude from
reading the headlines.  It is certainly what we have been told by the 
new
public health gun experts.  And it is wrong.

In fact, accidental firearm injuries and fatalities have been steadily
decreasing for the last 60 years. 1  There are numerous well-established
truths about guns which contradict the conventional public health wisdom.

 Here are a few:

1. Fewer than 1% of the guns owned by Americans are ever used in crimes 
2
2. States and regions with the strictest gun control laws have the 
highest
rates of gun-related crime 3
3. Americans use firearms as many as 2.5 million times each year to 
defend
against criminal attacks 4

How can it be that doctors have not been told the whole truth about guns? 
 A
huge body of research has been amassed by criminologists over the last 
20
years, much of it confirming what typical gun owning citizens know
intuitively: =ECgun violence=EE is the work of a small minority of 
criminal
aberrants, most of whom have a lifelong history of violent and 
antisocial
behavior.

The public health gun prohibitionists, however, start with an avowed
prejudice toward guns 5 which fatally biases their research.  In no 
other
area of medical research would such open prejudice be tolerated.  But
reformers have =ECreframed the debate=EE on firearms from the matrix of
criminology to that of public health.  When dissenting authors try to
presen= t their case, gun-loathing medical editors routinely reject it 
on
the grounds that it is not peer reviewed by physicians, as if doctors 
were
somehow the prevailing authorities on firearms!

Because of this embargo on opinions dissenting from antigun public 
health
orthodoxy, the debate is beginning to bypass medical forums.  Now we see 
the
real academic discussion about guns taking place in the law reviews and
criminology journals.


The contentious debate over firearms in our society will not be quelled
soon=
-
 But if we consider firearms to be in the domain of medical research, 
then
w= e must follow the science wherever it leads us.  Let=EDs work together 
to
lear= n the truth, and not be afraid of it.



Endnotes

1)  Accident Facts 1993 Edition: National Safety Council

2)  Kleck, G.  Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America,  Aldine de
Gruyter=
,
New York
      1991, p. 47

3)  Suter, E.  =ECGuns in the Medical Literature: a Failure of Peer 
Review=
=EE, J
Med Assoc of
     Georgia, Vol. 83, No. 13, March 1994, p. 143

4)  Kleck, G., Gertz, M.  =ECArmed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence 
and
Nature of
     Self-Defense With a Gun=EE, J Crim Law and Criminology, Vol. 86, No. 
1,
=46all 1995,
     p. 164.  Northwestern University School of Law

5)  Kassirer, J.  Editor=EDs Reply in =ECCorrespondence=EE, N Engl J Med.

19= 92;
326:1161


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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun  2 14:29:16 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
THE DUTY TO SEARCH FOR
WAR CRIMES SUSPECTS:

AN OPEN LETTER FROM AMNESTY
INTERNATIONAL TO IFOR COMMANDERS AND
CONTRIBUTING GOVERNMENTS

                                            AI Index: EUR 63/08/96
                                              London, 1 March 1996

Amnesty International is deeply concerned that the multinational 
military
Implementation Force (IFOR) is continuing to refuse to search for 
persons
suspected of genocide, other crimes against humanity and serious 
violations
of humanitarian law. The failure to carry out this law enforcement duty 
is a
clear breach by states contributing troops to IFOR of their obligations
under the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Security Council 
Resolution
827. It is also inconsistent with the principles of the General 
Framework
Agreement on Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina reached in Dayton, Ohio in
November 1995 (the peace agreement). It sends a clear message to all 
those
responsible for such crimes that to ensure impunity they need only avoid
coming into direct contact with IFOR as long as it is in Bosnia-
Herzegovina.

      Since the first IFOR troops arrived in Bosnia-Herzegovina last year,

spokespersons for IFOR and troop-contributing states have repeatedly 
stated
that they would not search for persons indicted by the International
Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (the Tribunal), but would 
arrest
suspects only if they encountered them. IFOR spokesperson, Lt. Col. Mark
Rayner, stated on 12 February, "IFOR troops have the authority, but not 
the
obligation, to detain indicted war criminals". According to reports, 
troops
have encountered more than one person who has been indicted by the 
Tribunal,
but failed to arrest them. Amnesty International welcomes the recent
announcement that IFOR is now informing its personnel of the identities 
of
people who have been indicted by the Tribunal by providing them with
photographs of some of the accused and instructing them to arrest any
accused they happen to encounter, if feasible. This step, however, fails 
to
fulfil state obligations to search for, arrest and bring to justice 
those
responsible for grave breaches of the four Geneva Conventions of August 
12,
1949 for the Protection of War Victims and its Additional Protocol I.

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal for grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is a clear 
violation
of international law. All the states contributing troops to IFOR are 
state
parties or succesor state-parties to the Geneva Conventions and each is
therefore obliged "to search for persons alleged to have committed, or 
to
have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such
persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts", the 
courts
of another state or an international criminal court (Geneva Convention No.

I, Art. 49; Geneva Convention No. II, Art. 50; Geneva Convention No. III,

Art. 129; Geneva Convention No. IV, Art. 146). This obligation applies 
in
all cases, not just when the Tribunal or a national court has indicted 
an
accused or asked for a suspect to be provisionally arrested. Thus, the 
duty
to search for people suspected of having committed or having ordered to 
be
committed such grave breaches is independent of any action taken by the
Tribunal or a national court. The Geneva Conventions expressly provide 
that
states parties to the Geneva Conventions may not absolve themselves of 
any
liability which they or other states parties have incurred in respect of
grave breaches (Geneva Convention No. I, Art. 51; Geneva Convention No. 
II,
Art. 52; Geneva Convention No. III, Art. 131; Geneva Convention No. IV, 
Art.
148). The official commentary by the International Committee of the Red
Cross makes clear that this common provision removes any doubt that the 
duty
to prosecute and punish the authors of grave breaches is "absolute".

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal also violates troop-contributing states' legal obligations to
implement Security Council Resolution 827 of 25 May 1993 establishing 
the
Tribunal. That resolution requires all states "to cooperate fully with 
the
International Tribunal" and to "take any measures necessary" to 
implement
the resolution, including compliance with Tribunal orders or requests 
for
assistance. There are no exceptions. The Tribunal has so far issued 13
indictments against 53 individuals. All but two have been indicted for 
grave
breaches. Only one person indicted, who was in custody in the Federal
Republic of Germany, has been transferred to the custody of the Tribunal 
in
the Hague, the Netherlands. None of the arrest warrants issued by the
Tribunal has been served, apart from provisional arrest warrants for two
individuals held in the custody of the authorities of Bosnia- 
Herzegovina
and transferred to the Hague. Most of the individuals indicted are 
believed
to have remained in the former Yugoslavia.

      The failure to search for and arrest persons suspected of having
committed or ordered grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is
inconsistent with the principles of the peace agreement. IFOR is obliged
under the peace agreement "to take such actions as required" to ensure
compliance with Annex I of the peace agreement. That Annex requires the
parties "to cooperate fully with any international personnel, including
investigators" of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council
understood when adopting Resolution 1031 on 15 December 1995 that 
resolution
and the peace agreement gave IFOR the authority to detain and transfer
persons indicted by the Tribunal.

      All the parties to the peace agreement are required to cooperate 
fully
with the Tribunal and FOR is responsible for implementation of the
agreement. The parties' cooperation has been limited. Bosnia-Herzegovina 
has
enacted legislation, deferred prosecutions at the request of the 
Tribunal
and provisionally arrested and transferred suspects to the Tribunal. 
Croatia
has permitted Tribunal investigators to operate on its territory, but 
has
not yet enacted necessary legislation. The Bosnian Serb authorities have
recently permitted investigators to operate in territory under their
control. It is a matter of serious concern, however, that, in clear
violation of the peace agreement, the Bosnian Serb authorities, the
authorities of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro),

the Croatian authorities and the Bosnian Croat authorities have all 
failed
to transfer persons who have been indicted to the Tribunal. Although it 
has
promised to do so, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has not yet 
permitted
the Tribunal to open an office or its investigators to operate freely in 
its
territory.

      IFOR is obliged under the peace agreement to establish a durable
cessation of hostilities, which includes ensuring that the parties
"cooperate fully with any international personnel including investigators 


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Subject: j*ws manipulate media magazine
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Weekly Update 
Volume 3 Issue 9
May 16-23, 1996

DEMONIZING THE MILITIA 

     On Sunday, May 19 1996, millions of Americans had their breakfast 
and
morning coffee while reading the "Parade," a nationally distributed
newspaper insert magazine. Departing from the usual fill of feelgood 
stories
of triumph in the face of adversity and/or people making a positive
difference in others lives, the cover story "WILL THIS AGENCY SURVIVE?"
promised a look at the controversy surrounding the BATF, "reported" by 
Peter
Maas. What I read made me want to lose my breakfast. Right after reading
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA quoted "If I had to do it over again, I 
wouldn't
have done it" regarding his characterization of the BATF as "jack-booted
government thugs" in a fund- raising letter, and a list of the NRA's
attempts to restore 2nd amendment rights which have been infringed upon
(which of course, instead of assailing the unconstitutional gun laws 
that
congress has passed, the paragraph reads more like the BATF is trying to 
do
something underhanded.) comes this gem;
      "On other fronts the emergence of self-styled 'militias' has 
resulted
in more than 100 ATF agents receiving death threats in the last year.
Members of the so-called 'Michigan militia' reportedly gathered not only 
the
home addresses of ATF agents but also where their children attend school.
"
      Notice that the article doesn't say anything about the death 
threats
coming from anyone in the Michigan Militia, it SIMPLY LINKS TWO SEPARATE
EVENTS IN PRINT, CREATING A GUILTY-BY-ASSOCIATION IN THE READER'S MIND, 
in
an obvious attempt to demonize the Michigan Militia. This underhanded 
media technique
has been used repeatedly in government statements, so-called 'think-
tank'
reports and especially by The Associated Press to discredit and attempt 
to
divide the patriots of Michigan. I have noticed that this is an 
especially
favorite tool of the Anti-Defamation League, whose Detroit attorney made
several such inferences in a recent Press Q&A column. The ADL regularly
publishes erroneous information as they pretend to know what goes on in 
the
Michigan and other militias. They are the anti-thesis of anti-defamation.

      In the May 10 FBI alert article on the Militia 'war warning' the
Spokane Spokesman-Review says that the southern Poverty Law center
"estimates that there are more than 800 anti-government 'patriot' groups
nationwide, including 'white supremacists, neo-Nazis, common law freemen 
and
paramilitary militia.'" somehow. I had never really thought of the neo-
Nazis
as a patriot group before the all-knowing SPLC put it in print. And, 
when
did PRO- CONSTITUTION become ANTI-GOVERNMENT?
     Even before the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed, The
Associated Press was dis-informing and deceiving in its articles on the
militia, and even when they know that an article has outright lies in it,

The Grand Rapids press still prints it. (Most recently it's been 
printing
articles involving the Freemen where the AP has repeatedly stated that 
Norm
Olson is the leader of the Michigan Militia, when the Press knows full 
well
that he was voted out of his command and replaced by Lynn Van Huizen 
last
year). When I called the Press over a year ago and asked them about the
bogus Mark Koernke/blow-up-the-guard-camp story, which made it sound like 
he
was the leader of the Michigan Militia, I was told that they can't check 
out
the validity of every Associated Press article that they print, and 
referred
me to the AP office, who said they would check into it. They still 
haven't
explained it.
     The shark-like media feeding frenzy continues, seizing every
opportunity to link the words "Michigan Militia" with the Oklahoma City
bombing, white supremacists, white separatists, Aryan nation, neo-nazi,
angry white males, and the media favorite word - "extremists" etc., by
making a statement about one group and then the other. Very clever. 
These
media sharks, by not outrightly accusing the militias of anything, 
thereby
protecting themselves from libel. The media successfully demonizes the
militias and other true patriot groups by simply associating hate groups 
in
the same paragraph.
     Another media favorite is to call a group a 'militia' that has
absolutely nothing to
do with the real militia, such as in the 05/10/96 AP article titled 
"LORDS
OF CHAOS - Good teens caught up in arson, robbery and murder," about a 
group of
five rampaging teens who murdered a Fort Meyers, FL band director with a
12-gauge shotgun blast to the face. The article says "it was the work of 
a
self-described teen militia." There is no such thing!
     The Queen of media puppets though, has to be syndicated columnist 
Molly
Ivans, whose moronic 'militia hate group' drivel is regularly injected 
into
her ignorant ramblings - apparently based on all the Associated Press
articles that she has read. What really amazes me about these people
preaching so adamantly against "fostering hate" is that they seem to 
foster
so much of it themselves.
     While there may or may not be some people in the militia groups 
that
have extreme views, that does not change the intent, purpose or ideals 
of
the good majority of militia members, anymore than a church congregation
member with extreme views indicates that the whole church shares the 
same
views.

Arlynn Afton
Wyoming, MI
(submitted to the Grand Rapids Press)







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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: GOLDHAGEN lies /2
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29 April 1996

OPEN LETTER

Dr.Daniel Jonah Goldhagen
Professor of Government and Social Studies Harvard University Cambridge, 
MA
02138

Dear Professor Goldhagen:

Congratulations on the successful publication of your book: "Hitler's
Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust". It appeared 
just
in time for the yearly Holocaust shindig with which the docile mass of
Americans is now being inundated every year.

I cannot help but admire the Oberjuden and Zionist activists like you 
for
the virtuosity with which you play the "Holocaust-violin", and the
never-ending story of the forever persecuted (and naturally totally
innocent) Jewish people. To do that over and over again takes talents 
that
have been finely tuned for millenia, and, naturally, a stupid mass of 
goyim
that will always fall for the charade.

Your book is nonsense. Nevertheless, I am very grateful to you for 
having
written it.

When I read the first review of it, I immediately realized that the Bonn
vassals of the enemies of the German Reich would not like it. You 
probably
were not aware of it, but the thesis of your book runs counter to the 
very
basic principles upon which the German Bundesrepublik was founded, 
namely
upon the contention that the "Nazis" were but a small gang of criminals 
who
were merely able to capture the minds of ordinary Germans through 
insidious
propaganda.

Your assertion of the culpability of all Germans for the (alleged,
systematic) extermination of the Jews, (which) was only possible in an
atmosphere of pervasive anti-Semitism, obviously does not coincide with 
the
Bonn claims. Now the rulers of the Bundesrepublik are forced not only to
defend all Germans collectively but we can also expect that some of the
taboos will have to be abandoned that have hamstrung the Germans since 
1945.

I, myself, a German-American writer, had to suffer the legal consequences 
of
such taboos when last year I was incarcerated in a German prison for 5 
month
because I questioned certain incongruities of the "Holocaust".

When I state that the general thesis of your book is nonsense, then I am
referring to the fact that you seem to have forgotten that there had been 
a
great war, a World War, in which World Jewry was an active participant. 
In
other words, WWII was also a war between the Germans and the Jews.

In the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., there is a plaque pointing 
out
that during the war there had been more than a hundred Zionist and 
Communist
partisan groups' that attacked installations of the German Wehrmacht. And 
in
books about the partisans (terrorists!) one can read hat they often hid
among the civilian population of the ghettos after their terrorist acts. 
It
follows that many innocent Jews lost their lives when the Germans 
launched
anti-partisan measures, and had to bombard the ghettos.

Lastly, I can state unequivocally that during the entire war there were 
no
acts of violence by German civilians against the Jews still living in 
the
Reich.  In the Berlin phone book of 1941 there were still 110 different
Jewish organizations, schools, hospitals and so on listed. -- How many
Japanese-American groups still had telephone listings in San Francisco 
or
Los Angeles two years after Pearl Harbor?. . ."


Hans Schmidt 

I often think how very odd it is that one ethnic group can smear another
ethnic group for 50 years with all the money, might and media resources 
at
its commands, while the group being smeared, merely defending itself and
asking for a chance to clear its name, is called "hate mongering."

Ingrid






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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: GOLDHAGEN lies /1
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Date: Thursday, 16-May-96 12:30 PM

Hans Schmidt, as you may remember, spent more than 5 months in 1995 and 
part of 1996
in "investigative custody" for "defamation of an ethnic group" in one of
Germany's most horrendously dehumanizing prisons for having used four
"politically incorrect" words.  He spoke of the German lapdog media and
German politicians as ". . . Jew- and Freemason-infested" - words he had
every right to use on American soil as a United States citizen who 
thought
the First Amendment would protect his giving vent to a deep frustration 
that
many Americans feel.

Assuming that Goldhagen's book, "Hitler's Willing Executioners..", is 80,
000 words long-the preferred size
that publishers urge writers to adhere to-it might be interesting to 
figure
out how many years Goldhagen might be asked to spend in prison for
defamation of  the German people.

Anyone with a red pencil?  Here is the formula:  1.25 months in prison 
per
defamatory word.

Ingrid Rimland




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Subject: GOLDHAGEN should be sued
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Date: Thursday, 16-May-96 12:30 PM

Hans Schmidt, as you may remember, spent more than 5 months in 1995 and 
part of 1996
in "investigative custody" for "defamation of an ethnic group" in one of
Germany's most horrendously dehumanizing prisons for having used four
"politically incorrect" words.  He spoke of the German lapdog media and
German politicians as ". . . Jew- and Freemason-infested" - words he had
every right to use on American soil as a United States citizen who 
thought
the First Amendment would protect his giving vent to a deep frustration 
that
many Americans feel.

Assuming that Goldhagen's book, "Hitler's Willing Executioners..", is 80,
000 words long-the preferred size
that publishers urge writers to adhere to-it might be interesting to 
figure
out how many years Goldhagen might be asked to spend in prison for
defamation of  the German people.

Anyone with a red pencil?  Here is the formula:  1.25 months in prison 
per
defamatory word.

Ingrid Rimland




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 08:19:14 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: GOLDHAGEN lies/2
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29 April 1996

OPEN LETTER

Dr.Daniel Jonah Goldhagen
Professor of Government and Social Studies Harvard University Cambridge, 
MA
02138

Dear Professor Goldhagen:

Congratulations on the successful publication of your book: "Hitler's
Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust". It appeared 
just
in time for the yearly Holocaust shindig with which the docile mass of
Americans is now being inundated every year.

I cannot help but admire the Oberjuden and Zionist activists like you 
for
the virtuosity with which you play the "Holocaust-violin", and the
never-ending story of the forever persecuted (and naturally totally
innocent) Jewish people. To do that over and over again takes talents 
that
have been finely tuned for millenia, and, naturally, a stupid mass of 
goyim
that will always fall for the charade.

Your book is nonsense. Nevertheless, I am very grateful to you for 
having
written it.

When I read the first review of it, I immediately realized that the Bonn
vassals of the enemies of the German Reich would not like it. You 
probably
were not aware of it, but the thesis of your book runs counter to the 
very
basic principles upon which the German Bundesrepublik was founded, 
namely
upon the contention that the "Nazis" were but a small gang of criminals 
who
were merely able to capture the minds of ordinary Germans through 
insidious
propaganda.

Your assertion of the culpability of all Germans for the (alleged,
systematic) extermination of the Jews, (which) was only possible in an
atmosphere of pervasive anti-Semitism, obviously does not coincide with 
the
Bonn claims. Now the rulers of the Bundesrepublik are forced not only to
defend all Germans collectively but we can also expect that some of the
taboos will have to be abandoned that have hamstrung the Germans since 
1945.

I, myself, a German-American writer, had to suffer the legal consequences 
of
such taboos when last year I was incarcerated in a German prison for 5 
month
because I questioned certain incongruities of the "Holocaust".

When I state that the general thesis of your book is nonsense, then I am
referring to the fact that you seem to have forgotten that there had been 
a
great war, a World War, in which World Jewry was an active participant. 
In
other words, WWII was also a war between the Germans and the Jews.

In the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., there is a plaque pointing 
out
that during the war there had been more than a hundred Zionist and 
Communist
partisan groups' that attacked installations of the German Wehrmacht. And 
in
books about the partisans (terrorists!) one can read hat they often hid
among the civilian population of the ghettos after their terrorist acts. 
It
follows that many innocent Jews lost their lives when the Germans 
launched
anti-partisan measures, and had to bombard the ghettos.

Lastly, I can state unequivocally that during the entire war there were 
no
acts of violence by German civilians against the Jews still living in 
the
Reich.  In the Berlin phone book of 1941 there were still 110 different
Jewish organizations, schools, hospitals and so on listed. -- How many
Japanese-American groups still had telephone listings in San Francisco 
or
Los Angeles two years after Pearl Harbor?. . ."


Hans Schmidt 

I often think how very odd it is that one ethnic group can smear another
ethnic group for 50 years with all the money, might and media resources 
at
its commands, while the group being smeared, merely defending itself and
asking for a chance to clear its name, is called "hate mongering."

Ingrid






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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: GOLDHAGEN lies/1
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Date: Thursday, 16-May-96 12:30 PM

Hans Schmidt, as you may remember, spent more than 5 months in 1995 and 
part of 1996
in "investigative custody" for "defamation of an ethnic group" in one of
Germany's most horrendously dehumanizing prisons for having used four
"politically incorrect" words.  He spoke of the German lapdog media and
German politicians as ". . . Jew- and Freemason-infested" - words he had
every right to use on American soil as a United States citizen who 
thought
the First Amendment would protect his giving vent to a deep frustration 
that
many Americans feel.

Assuming that Goldhagen's book, "Hitler's Willing Executioners..", is 80,
000 words long-the preferred size
that publishers urge writers to adhere to-it might be interesting to 
figure
out how many years Goldhagen might be asked to spend in prison for
defamation of  the German people.

Anyone with a red pencil?  Here is the formula:  1.25 months in prison 
per
defamatory word.

Ingrid Rimland




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 08:19:15 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Media manipulation / j*ws
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Weekly Update 
Volume 3 Issue 9
May 16-23, 1996

DEMONIZING THE MILITIA 

     On Sunday, May 19 1996, millions of Americans had their breakfast 
and
morning coffee while reading the "Parade," a nationally distributed
newspaper insert magazine. Departing from the usual fill of feelgood 
stories
of triumph in the face of adversity and/or people making a positive
difference in others lives, the cover story "WILL THIS AGENCY SURVIVE?"
promised a look at the controversy surrounding the BATF, "reported" by 
Peter
Maas. What I read made me want to lose my breakfast. Right after reading
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA quoted "If I had to do it over again, I 
wouldn't
have done it" regarding his characterization of the BATF as "jack-booted
government thugs" in a fund- raising letter, and a list of the NRA's
attempts to restore 2nd amendment rights which have been infringed upon
(which of course, instead of assailing the unconstitutional gun laws 
that
congress has passed, the paragraph reads more like the BATF is trying to 
do
something underhanded.) comes this gem;
      "On other fronts the emergence of self-styled 'militias' has 
resulted
in more than 100 ATF agents receiving death threats in the last year.
Members of the so-called 'Michigan militia' reportedly gathered not only 
the
home addresses of ATF agents but also where their children attend school.
"
      Notice that the article doesn't say anything about the death 
threats
coming from anyone in the Michigan Militia, it SIMPLY LINKS TWO SEPARATE
EVENTS IN PRINT, CREATING A GUILTY-BY-ASSOCIATION IN THE READER'S MIND, 
in
an obvious attempt to demonize the Michigan Militia. This underhanded 
media technique
has been used repeatedly in government statements, so-called 'think-
tank'
reports and especially by The Associated Press to discredit and attempt 
to
divide the patriots of Michigan. I have noticed that this is an 
especially
favorite tool of the Anti-Defamation League, whose Detroit attorney made
several such inferences in a recent Press Q&A column. The ADL regularly
publishes erroneous information as they pretend to know what goes on in 
the
Michigan and other militias. They are the anti-thesis of anti-defamation.

      In the May 10 FBI alert article on the Militia 'war warning' the
Spokane Spokesman-Review says that the southern Poverty Law center
"estimates that there are more than 800 anti-government 'patriot' groups
nationwide, including 'white supremacists, neo-Nazis, common law freemen 
and
paramilitary militia.'" somehow. I had never really thought of the neo-
Nazis
as a patriot group before the all-knowing SPLC put it in print. And, 
when
did PRO- CONSTITUTION become ANTI-GOVERNMENT?
     Even before the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed, The
Associated Press was dis-informing and deceiving in its articles on the
militia, and even when they know that an article has outright lies in it,

The Grand Rapids press still prints it. (Most recently it's been 
printing
articles involving the Freemen where the AP has repeatedly stated that 
Norm
Olson is the leader of the Michigan Militia, when the Press knows full 
well
that he was voted out of his command and replaced by Lynn Van Huizen 
last
year). When I called the Press over a year ago and asked them about the
bogus Mark Koernke/blow-up-the-guard-camp story, which made it sound like 
he
was the leader of the Michigan Militia, I was told that they can't check 
out
the validity of every Associated Press article that they print, and 
referred
me to the AP office, who said they would check into it. They still 
haven't
explained it.
     The shark-like media feeding frenzy continues, seizing every
opportunity to link the words "Michigan Militia" with the Oklahoma City
bombing, white supremacists, white separatists, Aryan nation, neo-nazi,
angry white males, and the media favorite word - "extremists" etc., by
making a statement about one group and then the other. Very clever. 
These
media sharks, by not outrightly accusing the militias of anything, 
thereby
protecting themselves from libel. The media successfully demonizes the
militias and other true patriot groups by simply associating hate groups 
in
the same paragraph.
     Another media favorite is to call a group a 'militia' that has
absolutely nothing to
do with the real militia, such as in the 05/10/96 AP article titled 
"LORDS
OF CHAOS - Good teens caught up in arson, robbery and murder," about a 
group of
five rampaging teens who murdered a Fort Meyers, FL band director with a
12-gauge shotgun blast to the face. The article says "it was the work of 
a
self-described teen militia." There is no such thing!
     The Queen of media puppets though, has to be syndicated columnist 
Molly
Ivans, whose moronic 'militia hate group' drivel is regularly injected 
into
her ignorant ramblings - apparently based on all the Associated Press
articles that she has read. What really amazes me about these people
preaching so adamantly against "fostering hate" is that they seem to 
foster
so much of it themselves.
     While there may or may not be some people in the militia groups 
that
have extreme views, that does not change the intent, purpose or ideals 
of
the good majority of militia members, anymore than a church congregation
member with extreme views indicates that the whole church shares the 
same
views.

Arlynn Afton
Wyoming, MI
(submitted to the Grand Rapids Press)







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us
armaments would be prohibited| in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms.

..All other armaments would | Crouch down and lick the hands which feed
you.
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Commanders refuse to hunt war criminals
Date: 2 Jun 1996 03:11:37 GMT
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 Date: Sunday, 05-May-96 03:14 PM

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
THE DUTY TO SEARCH FOR
WAR CRIMES SUSPECTS:

AN OPEN LETTER FROM AMNESTY
INTERNATIONAL TO IFOR COMMANDERS AND
CONTRIBUTING GOVERNMENTS

                                            AI Index: EUR 63/08/96
                                              London, 1 March 1996

Amnesty International is deeply concerned that the multinational 
military
Implementation Force (IFOR) is continuing to refuse to search for 
persons
suspected of genocide, other crimes against humanity and serious 
violations
of humanitarian law. The failure to carry out this law enforcement duty 
is a
clear breach by states contributing troops to IFOR of their obligations
under the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Security Council 
Resolution
827. It is also inconsistent with the principles of the General 
Framework
Agreement on Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina reached in Dayton, Ohio in
November 1995 (the peace agreement). It sends a clear message to all 
those
responsible for such crimes that to ensure impunity they need only avoid
coming into direct contact with IFOR as long as it is in Bosnia-
Herzegovina.

      Since the first IFOR troops arrived in Bosnia-Herzegovina last year,

spokespersons for IFOR and troop-contributing states have repeatedly 
stated
that they would not search for persons indicted by the International
Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (the Tribunal), but would 
arrest
suspects only if they encountered them. IFOR spokesperson, Lt. Col. Mark
Rayner, stated on 12 February, "IFOR troops have the authority, but not 
the
obligation, to detain indicted war criminals". According to reports, 
troops
have encountered more than one person who has been indicted by the 
Tribunal,
but failed to arrest them. Amnesty International welcomes the recent
announcement that IFOR is now informing its personnel of the identities 
of
people who have been indicted by the Tribunal by providing them with
photographs of some of the accused and instructing them to arrest any
accused they happen to encounter, if feasible. This step, however, fails 
to
fulfil state obligations to search for, arrest and bring to justice 
those
responsible for grave breaches of the four Geneva Conventions of August 
12,
1949 for the Protection of War Victims and its Additional Protocol I.

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal for grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is a clear 
violation
of international law. All the states contributing troops to IFOR are 
state
parties or succesor state-parties to the Geneva Conventions and each is
therefore obliged "to search for persons alleged to have committed, or 
to
have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such
persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts", the 
courts
of another state or an international criminal court (Geneva Convention No.

I, Art. 49; Geneva Convention No. II, Art. 50; Geneva Convention No. III,

Art. 129; Geneva Convention No. IV, Art. 146). This obligation applies 
in
all cases, not just when the Tribunal or a national court has indicted 
an
accused or asked for a suspect to be provisionally arrested. Thus, the 
duty
to search for people suspected of having committed or having ordered to 
be
committed such grave breaches is independent of any action taken by the
Tribunal or a national court. The Geneva Conventions expressly provide 
that
states parties to the Geneva Conventions may not absolve themselves of 
any
liability which they or other states parties have incurred in respect of
grave breaches (Geneva Convention No. I, Art. 51; Geneva Convention No. 
II,
Art. 52; Geneva Convention No. III, Art. 131; Geneva Convention No. IV, 
Art.
148). The official commentary by the International Committee of the Red
Cross makes clear that this common provision removes any doubt that the 
duty
to prosecute and punish the authors of grave breaches is "absolute".

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal also violates troop-contributing states' legal obligations to
implement Security Council Resolution 827 of 25 May 1993 establishing 
the
Tribunal. That resolution requires all states "to cooperate fully with 
the
International Tribunal" and to "take any measures necessary" to 
implement
the resolution, including compliance with Tribunal orders or requests 
for
assistance. There are no exceptions. The Tribunal has so far issued 13
indictments against 53 individuals. All but two have been indicted for 
grave
breaches. Only one person indicted, who was in custody in the Federal
Republic of Germany, has been transferred to the custody of the Tribunal 
in
the Hague, the Netherlands. None of the arrest warrants issued by the
Tribunal has been served, apart from provisional arrest warrants for two
individuals held in the custody of the authorities of Bosnia- 
Herzegovina
and transferred to the Hague. Most of the individuals indicted are 
believed
to have remained in the former Yugoslavia.

      The failure to search for and arrest persons suspected of having
committed or ordered grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is
inconsistent with the principles of the peace agreement. IFOR is obliged
under the peace agreement "to take such actions as required" to ensure
compliance with Annex I of the peace agreement. That Annex requires the
parties "to cooperate fully with any international personnel, including
investigators" of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council
understood when adopting Resolution 1031 on 15 December 1995 that 
resolution
and the peace agreement gave IFOR the authority to detain and transfer
persons indicted by the Tribunal.

      All the parties to the peace agreement are required to cooperate 
fully
with the Tribunal and FOR is responsible for implementation of the
agreement. The parties' cooperation has been limited. Bosnia-Herzegovina 
has
enacted legislation, deferred prosecutions at the request of the 
Tribunal
and provisionally arrested and transferred suspects to the Tribunal. 
Croatia
has permitted Tribunal investigators to operate on its territory, but 
has
not yet enacted necessary legislation. The Bosnian Serb authorities have
recently permitted investigators to operate in territory under their
control. It is a matter of serious concern, however, that, in clear
violation of the peace agreement, the Bosnian Serb authorities, the
authorities of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro),

the Croatian authorities and the Bosnian Croat authorities have all 
failed
to transfer persons who have been indicted to the Tribunal. Although it 
has
promised to do so, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has not yet 
permitted
the Tribunal to open an office or its investigators to operate freely in 
its
territory.

      IFOR is obliged under the peace agreement to establish a durable
cessation of hostilities, which includes ensuring that the parties
"cooperate fully with any international personnel including investigators 


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Subject: more j*wish assaults on Americans
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Date: Saturday, 25-May-96 09:19 AM

_US Strips Another Man of Citizenship_

Alleged Lithuanian Nazi Aleksandras Lileikis, 88, was stripped of his US
citizenship yesterday (5/24/96) by US District Judge Richard Stearns.
Federal prosecutors say Lileikis was a secret police chief who helped
exterminate Lithuanian jews during World War II.  US Attorney Donald 
STERN
said "Today's decision represents an important, however modest, measure 
of
justice for the tens of thousands of jews who lost their lives under
Lileikis' command."  Lileikis is a retired publishing worker who had 
been
living quietly in Norwood, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.

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Date: Wednesday, 22-May-96 09:32 PM

From: Anton                    \ Internet:    (anton88@cris.com)
To:   tribeca.com/~save-outgo  \ PRODIGY:     (EEGG87A)

Subject: ANA -- US Strips Man of Citizenship

_US Strips Man of Citizenship_ (ANA)

74-year-old retired tool-and-die maker Ferdinand Hammer was stripped of 
his
US citizenship today (5/22/96) because the government says he lied about
being an SS guard at a concentration camp during World War II.  This 
ruling
by US district Judge Horace Gilmore followed a four-day hearing and 
clears
the way for the government to have Hammer deported.  This morning Hammer,

who was born in Croatia, denied ever working in a concentration camp.  
The
government said Hammer was in the Waffen SS's Death's Head Battalion and
lied about it when he was seeking citizenship.  While seeking US 
citizenship
in 1962 he said he was a German soldier on the eastern front during the 
war.
 On Monday military historian Charles Sydnor, Jr., testified that World 
War
II documents prove that Hammer was an Auschwitz guard.  Sydnor, author 
of
_Soldiers of Destruction: A History of the SS Death's Head Division_, 
said
"Based on the evidence, as a historian, I have to conclude that he did 
serve
at Auschwitz."

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Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor








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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 01:05 PM

Subject: Timothy Wheeler, MD: Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and 
Loathing

Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 02:24:26 -0400

Subject: COMMENT : Antigun Orthopedists?

=46rom:  Timothy Wheeler, MD  (drgotww@aol.com)
Director, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (a Project of The 
Claremont
Institute), Claremont, California

The March 1996 issue of Orthopedics Today contained an article by John
McGinty, MD.  A medical doctor with no declared expertise in firearms 
other
than his feelings, Dr. McGinty attacked gun owners in general and the NRA 
in
particular.  Among his assertions:

1) =ECAssault weapons, semiautomatic weapons and handguns have only one
purpose: to shoot people.=EE

2) =ECWe can no longer afford to have the safety of our society...
dictated
b= y groups such as the National Rifle Association and the Doctors for
Integrity in Research and Public Policy under the guise of civil rights 
and
the Second Amendment.=EE

The text of Dr. McGinty=EDs article is accessible at the journal=EDs 
Web=
 site at
http://www.slackinc.com/ot.htm   Go to Current Issue and then to letters 
to
the editor, which contain links to the article.

With the managing editor=EDs permission I sent the following commentary
(edi=
ted
here for length) for publication as a documented rebuttal to Dr. 
McGinty=EDs
grievously biased accusations.  The editors refused to publish it, even
though they regularly print rebuttals to medical topics.  I now submit 
it
fo=
r
your review.

If you care to contact the editors about what appears to be willful
exclusio= n of contrary scholarship, you can reach them by e-mail at
 ortoday@slackinc.com or by writing:

    Editor, ORTHOPEDICS TODAY
    6900 Grove Road
    Thorofare,  NJ  08086

My response follows in two parts (full text available on request):


Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and Loathing

Timothy Wheeler, MD


The March Commentary in Orthopedics Today bared the strong emotions many 
of
us feel about guns.  Those health professionals who see a steady stream 
of
gunshot wound victims often come to think poorly of guns and gun owners.

But there is a downside to letting feelings drive our judgment as
physicians=
-
 An example of that danger was seen in Orthopedics Today in March, with 
the
statement that  =ECit has been conclusively shown that [handguns] are
responsible for increasing numbers of accidental injuries and deaths=EE. 

Th= is bold assertion agrees with what most doctors would conclude from
reading the headlines.  It is certainly what we have been told by the 
new
public health gun experts.  And it is wrong.

In fact, accidental firearm injuries and fatalities have been steadily
decreasing for the last 60 years. 1  There are numerous well-established
truths about guns which contradict the conventional public health wisdom.

 Here are a few:

1. Fewer than 1% of the guns owned by Americans are ever used in crimes 
2
2. States and regions with the strictest gun control laws have the 
highest
rates of gun-related crime 3
3. Americans use firearms as many as 2.5 million times each year to 
defend
against criminal attacks 4

How can it be that doctors have not been told the whole truth about guns? 
 A
huge body of research has been amassed by criminologists over the last 
20
years, much of it confirming what typical gun owning citizens know
intuitively: =ECgun violence=EE is the work of a small minority of 
criminal
aberrants, most of whom have a lifelong history of violent and 
antisocial
behavior.

The public health gun prohibitionists, however, start with an avowed
prejudice toward guns 5 which fatally biases their research.  In no 
other
area of medical research would such open prejudice be tolerated.  But
reformers have =ECreframed the debate=EE on firearms from the matrix of
criminology to that of public health.  When dissenting authors try to
presen= t their case, gun-loathing medical editors routinely reject it 
on
the grounds that it is not peer reviewed by physicians, as if doctors 
were
somehow the prevailing authorities on firearms!

Because of this embargo on opinions dissenting from antigun public 
health
orthodoxy, the debate is beginning to bypass medical forums.  Now we see 
the
real academic discussion about guns taking place in the law reviews and
criminology journals.


The contentious debate over firearms in our society will not be quelled
soon=
-
 But if we consider firearms to be in the domain of medical research, 
then
w= e must follow the science wherever it leads us.  Let=EDs work together 
to
lear= n the truth, and not be afraid of it.



Endnotes

1)  Accident Facts 1993 Edition: National Safety Council

2)  Kleck, G.  Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America,  Aldine de
Gruyter=
,
New York
      1991, p. 47

3)  Suter, E.  =ECGuns in the Medical Literature: a Failure of Peer 
Review=
=EE, J
Med Assoc of
     Georgia, Vol. 83, No. 13, March 1994, p. 143

4)  Kleck, G., Gertz, M.  =ECArmed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence 
and
Nature of
     Self-Defense With a Gun=EE, J Crim Law and Criminology, Vol. 86, No. 
1,
=46all 1995,
     p. 164.  Northwestern University School of Law

5)  Kassirer, J.  Editor=EDs Reply in =ECCorrespondence=EE, N Engl J Med.

19= 92;
326:1161











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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: GOLDHAGEN lies /2
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29 April 1996

OPEN LETTER

Dr.Daniel Jonah Goldhagen
Professor of Government and Social Studies Harvard University Cambridge, 
MA
02138

Dear Professor Goldhagen:

Congratulations on the successful publication of your book: "Hitler's
Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust". It appeared 
just
in time for the yearly Holocaust shindig with which the docile mass of
Americans is now being inundated every year.

I cannot help but admire the Oberjuden and Zionist activists like you 
for
the virtuosity with which you play the "Holocaust-violin", and the
never-ending story of the forever persecuted (and naturally totally
innocent) Jewish people. To do that over and over again takes talents 
that
have been finely tuned for millenia, and, naturally, a stupid mass of 
goyim
that will always fall for the charade.

Your book is nonsense. Nevertheless, I am very grateful to you for 
having
written it.

When I read the first review of it, I immediately realized that the Bonn
vassals of the enemies of the German Reich would not like it. You 
probably
were not aware of it, but the thesis of your book runs counter to the 
very
basic principles upon which the German Bundesrepublik was founded, 
namely
upon the contention that the "Nazis" were but a small gang of criminals 
who
were merely able to capture the minds of ordinary Germans through 
insidious
propaganda.

Your assertion of the culpability of all Germans for the (alleged,
systematic) extermination of the Jews, (which) was only possible in an
atmosphere of pervasive anti-Semitism, obviously does not coincide with 
the
Bonn claims. Now the rulers of the Bundesrepublik are forced not only to
defend all Germans collectively but we can also expect that some of the
taboos will have to be abandoned that have hamstrung the Germans since 
1945.

I, myself, a German-American writer, had to suffer the legal consequences 
of
such taboos when last year I was incarcerated in a German prison for 5 
month
because I questioned certain incongruities of the "Holocaust".

When I state that the general thesis of your book is nonsense, then I am
referring to the fact that you seem to have forgotten that there had been 
a
great war, a World War, in which World Jewry was an active participant. 
In
other words, WWII was also a war between the Germans and the Jews.

In the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., there is a plaque pointing 
out
that during the war there had been more than a hundred Zionist and 
Communist
partisan groups' that attacked installations of the German Wehrmacht. And 
in
books about the partisans (terrorists!) one can read hat they often hid
among the civilian population of the ghettos after their terrorist acts. 
It
follows that many innocent Jews lost their lives when the Germans 
launched
anti-partisan measures, and had to bombard the ghettos.

Lastly, I can state unequivocally that during the entire war there were 
no
acts of violence by German civilians against the Jews still living in 
the
Reich.  In the Berlin phone book of 1941 there were still 110 different
Jewish organizations, schools, hospitals and so on listed. -- How many
Japanese-American groups still had telephone listings in San Francisco 
or
Los Angeles two years after Pearl Harbor?. . ."


Hans Schmidt 

I often think how very odd it is that one ethnic group can smear another
ethnic group for 50 years with all the money, might and media resources 
at
its commands, while the group being smeared, merely defending itself and
asking for a chance to clear its name, is called "hate mongering."

Ingrid






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Subject: j*ws continue assault on americans /1
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Date: Saturday, 25-May-96 09:19 AM

_US Strips Another Man of Citizenship_

Alleged Lithuanian Nazi Aleksandras Lileikis, 88, was stripped of his US
citizenship yesterday (5/24/96) by US District Judge Richard Stearns.
Federal prosecutors say Lileikis was a secret police chief who helped
exterminate Lithuanian jews during World War II.  US Attorney Donald 
STERN
said "Today's decision represents an important, however modest, measure 
of
justice for the tens of thousands of jews who lost their lives under
Lileikis' command."  Lileikis is a retired publishing worker who had 
been
living quietly in Norwood, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.

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Subject: j*ws assault Americans still
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Date: Wednesday, 22-May-96 09:32 PM

_US Strips Man of Citizenship_

74-year-old retired tool-and-die maker Ferdinand Hammer was stripped of 
his
US citizenship today (5/22/96) because the government says he lied about
being an SS guard at a concentration camp during World War II.  This 
ruling
by US district Judge Horace Gilmore followed a four-day hearing and 
clears
the way for the government to have Hammer deported.  This morning Hammer,

who was born in Croatia, denied ever working in a concentration camp.  
The
government said Hammer was in the Waffen SS's Death's Head Battalion and
lied about it when he was seeking citizenship.  While seeking US 
citizenship
in 1962 he said he was a German soldier on the eastern front during the 
war.
 On Monday military historian Charles Sydnor, Jr., testified that World 
War
II documents prove that Hammer was an Auschwitz guard.  Sydnor, author 
of
_Soldiers of Destruction: A History of the SS Death's Head Division_, 
said
"Based on the evidence, as a historian, I have to conclude that he did 
serve
at Auschwitz."






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Subject: GOLDHAGEN lies /1
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Date: Thursday, 16-May-96 12:30 PM

Hans Schmidt, as you may remember, spent more than 5 months in 1995 and 
part of 1996
in "investigative custody" for "defamation of an ethnic group" in one of
Germany's most horrendously dehumanizing prisons for having used four
"politically incorrect" words.  He spoke of the German lapdog media and
German politicians as ". . . Jew- and Freemason-infested" - words he had
every right to use on American soil as a United States citizen who 
thought
the First Amendment would protect his giving vent to a deep frustration 
that
many Americans feel.

Assuming that Goldhagen's book, "Hitler's Willing Executioners..", is 80,
000 words long-the preferred size
that publishers urge writers to adhere to-it might be interesting to 
figure
out how many years Goldhagen might be asked to spend in prison for
defamation of  the German people.

Anyone with a red pencil?  Here is the formula:  1.25 months in prison 
per
defamatory word.

Ingrid Rimland




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Subject: j*ws manipulate media
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Weekly Update 
Volume 3 Issue 9
May 16-23, 1996

DEMONIZING THE MILITIA 

     On Sunday, May 19 1996, millions of Americans had their breakfast 
and
morning coffee while reading the "Parade," a nationally distributed
newspaper insert magazine. Departing from the usual fill of feelgood 
stories
of triumph in the face of adversity and/or people making a positive
difference in others lives, the cover story "WILL THIS AGENCY SURVIVE?"
promised a look at the controversy surrounding the BATF, "reported" by 
Peter
Maas. What I read made me want to lose my breakfast. Right after reading
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA quoted "If I had to do it over again, I 
wouldn't
have done it" regarding his characterization of the BATF as "jack-booted
government thugs" in a fund- raising letter, and a list of the NRA's
attempts to restore 2nd amendment rights which have been infringed upon
(which of course, instead of assailing the unconstitutional gun laws 
that
congress has passed, the paragraph reads more like the BATF is trying to 
do
something underhanded.) comes this gem;
      "On other fronts the emergence of self-styled 'militias' has 
resulted
in more than 100 ATF agents receiving death threats in the last year.
Members of the so-called 'Michigan militia' reportedly gathered not only 
the
home addresses of ATF agents but also where their children attend school.
"
      Notice that the article doesn't say anything about the death 
threats
coming from anyone in the Michigan Militia, it SIMPLY LINKS TWO SEPARATE
EVENTS IN PRINT, CREATING A GUILTY-BY-ASSOCIATION IN THE READER'S MIND, 
in
an obvious attempt to demonize the Michigan Militia. This underhanded 
media technique
has been used repeatedly in government statements, so-called 'think-
tank'
reports and especially by The Associated Press to discredit and attempt 
to
divide the patriots of Michigan. I have noticed that this is an 
especially
favorite tool of the Anti-Defamation League, whose Detroit attorney made
several such inferences in a recent Press Q&A column. The ADL regularly
publishes erroneous information as they pretend to know what goes on in 
the
Michigan and other militias. They are the anti-thesis of anti-defamation.

      In the May 10 FBI alert article on the Militia 'war warning' the
Spokane Spokesman-Review says that the southern Poverty Law center
"estimates that there are more than 800 anti-government 'patriot' groups
nationwide, including 'white supremacists, neo-Nazis, common law freemen 
and
paramilitary militia.'" somehow. I had never really thought of the neo-
Nazis
as a patriot group before the all-knowing SPLC put it in print. And, 
when
did PRO- CONSTITUTION become ANTI-GOVERNMENT?
     Even before the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed, The
Associated Press was dis-informing and deceiving in its articles on the
militia, and even when they know that an article has outright lies in it,

The Grand Rapids press still prints it. (Most recently it's been 
printing
articles involving the Freemen where the AP has repeatedly stated that 
Norm
Olson is the leader of the Michigan Militia, when the Press knows full 
well
that he was voted out of his command and replaced by Lynn Van Huizen 
last
year). When I called the Press over a year ago and asked them about the
bogus Mark Koernke/blow-up-the-guard-camp story, which made it sound like 
he
was the leader of the Michigan Militia, I was told that they can't check 
out
the validity of every Associated Press article that they print, and 
referred
me to the AP office, who said they would check into it. They still 
haven't
explained it.
     The shark-like media feeding frenzy continues, seizing every
opportunity to link the words "Michigan Militia" with the Oklahoma City
bombing, white supremacists, white separatists, Aryan nation, neo-nazi,
angry white males, and the media favorite word - "extremists" etc., by
making a statement about one group and then the other. Very clever. 
These
media sharks, by not outrightly accusing the militias of anything, 
thereby
protecting themselves from libel. The media successfully demonizes the
militias and other true patriot groups by simply associating hate groups 
in
the same paragraph.
     Another media favorite is to call a group a 'militia' that has
absolutely nothing to
do with the real militia, such as in the 05/10/96 AP article titled 
"LORDS
OF CHAOS - Good teens caught up in arson, robbery and murder," about a 
group of
five rampaging teens who murdered a Fort Meyers, FL band director with a
12-gauge shotgun blast to the face. The article says "it was the work of 
a
self-described teen militia." There is no such thing!
     The Queen of media puppets though, has to be syndicated columnist 
Molly
Ivans, whose moronic 'militia hate group' drivel is regularly injected 
into
her ignorant ramblings - apparently based on all the Associated Press
articles that she has read. What really amazes me about these people
preaching so adamantly against "fostering hate" is that they seem to 
foster
so much of it themselves.
     While there may or may not be some people in the militia groups 
that
have extreme views, that does not change the intent, purpose or ideals 
of
the good majority of militia members, anymore than a church congregation
member with extreme views indicates that the whole church shares the 
same
views.

Arlynn Afton
Wyoming, MI
(submitted to the Grand Rapids Press)







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 Date: Sunday, 05-May-96 03:14 PM

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
THE DUTY TO SEARCH FOR
WAR CRIMES SUSPECTS:

AN OPEN LETTER FROM AMNESTY
INTERNATIONAL TO IFOR COMMANDERS AND
CONTRIBUTING GOVERNMENTS

                                            AI Index: EUR 63/08/96
                                              London, 1 March 1996

Amnesty International is deeply concerned that the multinational 
military
Implementation Force (IFOR) is continuing to refuse to search for 
persons
suspected of genocide, other crimes against humanity and serious 
violations
of humanitarian law. The failure to carry out this law enforcement duty 
is a
clear breach by states contributing troops to IFOR of their obligations
under the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Security Council 
Resolution
827. It is also inconsistent with the principles of the General 
Framework
Agreement on Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina reached in Dayton, Ohio in
November 1995 (the peace agreement). It sends a clear message to all 
those
responsible for such crimes that to ensure impunity they need only avoid
coming into direct contact with IFOR as long as it is in Bosnia-
Herzegovina.

      Since the first IFOR troops arrived in Bosnia-Herzegovina last year,

spokespersons for IFOR and troop-contributing states have repeatedly 
stated
that they would not search for persons indicted by the International
Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (the Tribunal), but would 
arrest
suspects only if they encountered them. IFOR spokesperson, Lt. Col. Mark
Rayner, stated on 12 February, "IFOR troops have the authority, but not 
the
obligation, to detain indicted war criminals". According to reports, 
troops
have encountered more than one person who has been indicted by the 
Tribunal,
but failed to arrest them. Amnesty International welcomes the recent
announcement that IFOR is now informing its personnel of the identities 
of
people who have been indicted by the Tribunal by providing them with
photographs of some of the accused and instructing them to arrest any
accused they happen to encounter, if feasible. This step, however, fails 
to
fulfil state obligations to search for, arrest and bring to justice 
those
responsible for grave breaches of the four Geneva Conventions of August 
12,
1949 for the Protection of War Victims and its Additional Protocol I.

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal for grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is a clear 
violation
of international law. All the states contributing troops to IFOR are 
state
parties or succesor state-parties to the Geneva Conventions and each is
therefore obliged "to search for persons alleged to have committed, or 
to
have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such
persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts", the 
courts
of another state or an international criminal court (Geneva Convention No.

I, Art. 49; Geneva Convention No. II, Art. 50; Geneva Convention No. III,

Art. 129; Geneva Convention No. IV, Art. 146). This obligation applies 
in
all cases, not just when the Tribunal or a national court has indicted 
an
accused or asked for a suspect to be provisionally arrested. Thus, the 
duty
to search for people suspected of having committed or having ordered to 
be
committed such grave breaches is independent of any action taken by the
Tribunal or a national court. The Geneva Conventions expressly provide 
that
states parties to the Geneva Conventions may not absolve themselves of 
any
liability which they or other states parties have incurred in respect of
grave breaches (Geneva Convention No. I, Art. 51; Geneva Convention No. 
II,
Art. 52; Geneva Convention No. III, Art. 131; Geneva Convention No. IV, 
Art.
148). The official commentary by the International Committee of the Red
Cross makes clear that this common provision removes any doubt that the 
duty
to prosecute and punish the authors of grave breaches is "absolute".

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal also violates troop-contributing states' legal obligations to
implement Security Council Resolution 827 of 25 May 1993 establishing 
the
Tribunal. That resolution requires all states "to cooperate fully with 
the
International Tribunal" and to "take any measures necessary" to 
implement
the resolution, including compliance with Tribunal orders or requests 
for
assistance. There are no exceptions. The Tribunal has so far issued 13
indictments against 53 individuals. All but two have been indicted for 
grave
breaches. Only one person indicted, who was in custody in the Federal
Republic of Germany, has been transferred to the custody of the Tribunal 
in
the Hague, the Netherlands. None of the arrest warrants issued by the
Tribunal has been served, apart from provisional arrest warrants for two
individuals held in the custody of the authorities of Bosnia- 
Herzegovina
and transferred to the Hague. Most of the individuals indicted are 
believed
to have remained in the former Yugoslavia.

      The failure to search for and arrest persons suspected of having
committed or ordered grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is
inconsistent with the principles of the peace agreement. IFOR is obliged
under the peace agreement "to take such actions as required" to ensure
compliance with Annex I of the peace agreement. That Annex requires the
parties "to cooperate fully with any international personnel, including
investigators" of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council
understood when adopting Resolution 1031 on 15 December 1995 that 
resolution
and the peace agreement gave IFOR the authority to detain and transfer
persons indicted by the Tribunal.

      All the parties to the peace agreement are required to cooperate 
fully
with the Tribunal and FOR is responsible for implementation of the
agreement. The parties' cooperation has been limited. Bosnia-Herzegovina 
has
enacted legislation, deferred prosecutions at the request of the 
Tribunal
and provisionally arrested and transferred suspects to the Tribunal. 
Croatia
has permitted Tribunal investigators to operate on its territory, but 
has
not yet enacted necessary legislation. The Bosnian Serb authorities have
recently permitted investigators to operate in territory under their
control. It is a matter of serious concern, however, that, in clear
violation of the peace agreement, the Bosnian Serb authorities, the
authorities of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro),

the Croatian authorities and the Bosnian Croat authorities have all 
failed
to transfer persons who have been indicted to the Tribunal. Although it 
has
promised to do so, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has not yet 
permitted
the Tribunal to open an office or its investigators to operate freely in 
its
territory.

      IFOR is obliged under the peace agreement to establish a durable
cessation of hostilities, which includes ensuring that the parties
"cooperate fully with any international personnel including investigators 


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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: war crimes
Date: 2 Jun 1996 03:22:50 GMT
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Interestingly enough, where there are no dead j*ws, the system can't get 
anyone to look for war criminals:

 Date: Sunday, 05-May-96 03:14 PM

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
THE DUTY TO SEARCH FOR
WAR CRIMES SUSPECTS:

AN OPEN LETTER FROM AMNESTY
INTERNATIONAL TO IFOR COMMANDERS AND
CONTRIBUTING GOVERNMENTS

                                            AI Index: EUR 63/08/96
                                              London, 1 March 1996

Amnesty International is deeply concerned that the multinational 
military
Implementation Force (IFOR) is continuing to refuse to search for 
persons
suspected of genocide, other crimes against humanity and serious 
violations
of humanitarian law. The failure to carry out this law enforcement duty 
is a
clear breach by states contributing troops to IFOR of their obligations
under the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Security Council 
Resolution
827. It is also inconsistent with the principles of the General 
Framework
Agreement on Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina reached in Dayton, Ohio in
November 1995 (the peace agreement). It sends a clear message to all 
those
responsible for such crimes that to ensure impunity they need only avoid
coming into direct contact with IFOR as long as it is in Bosnia-
Herzegovina.

      Since the first IFOR troops arrived in Bosnia-Herzegovina last year,

spokespersons for IFOR and troop-contributing states have repeatedly 
stated
that they would not search for persons indicted by the International
Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (the Tribunal), but would 
arrest
suspects only if they encountered them. IFOR spokesperson, Lt. Col. Mark
Rayner, stated on 12 February, "IFOR troops have the authority, but not 
the
obligation, to detain indicted war criminals". According to reports, 
troops
have encountered more than one person who has been indicted by the 
Tribunal,
but failed to arrest them. Amnesty International welcomes the recent
announcement that IFOR is now informing its personnel of the identities 
of
people who have been indicted by the Tribunal by providing them with
photographs of some of the accused and instructing them to arrest any
accused they happen to encounter, if feasible. This step, however, fails 
to
fulfil state obligations to search for, arrest and bring to justice 
those
responsible for grave breaches of the four Geneva Conventions of August 
12,
1949 for the Protection of War Victims and its Additional Protocol I.

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal for grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is a clear 
violation
of international law. All the states contributing troops to IFOR are 
state
parties or succesor state-parties to the Geneva Conventions and each is
therefore obliged "to search for persons alleged to have committed, or 
to
have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such
persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts", the 
courts
of another state or an international criminal court (Geneva Convention No.

I, Art. 49; Geneva Convention No. II, Art. 50; Geneva Convention No. III,

Art. 129; Geneva Convention No. IV, Art. 146). This obligation applies 
in
all cases, not just when the Tribunal or a national court has indicted 
an
accused or asked for a suspect to be provisionally arrested. Thus, the 
duty
to search for people suspected of having committed or having ordered to 
be
committed such grave breaches is independent of any action taken by the
Tribunal or a national court. The Geneva Conventions expressly provide 
that
states parties to the Geneva Conventions may not absolve themselves of 
any
liability which they or other states parties have incurred in respect of
grave breaches (Geneva Convention No. I, Art. 51; Geneva Convention No. 
II,
Art. 52; Geneva Convention No. III, Art. 131; Geneva Convention No. IV, 
Art.
148). The official commentary by the International Committee of the Red
Cross makes clear that this common provision removes any doubt that the 
duty
to prosecute and punish the authors of grave breaches is "absolute".

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal also violates troop-contributing states' legal obligations to
implement Security Council Resolution 827 of 25 May 1993 establishing 
the
Tribunal. That resolution requires all states "to cooperate fully with 
the
International Tribunal" and to "take any measures necessary" to 
implement
the resolution, including compliance with Tribunal orders or requests 
for
assistance. There are no exceptions. The Tribunal has so far issued 13
indictments against 53 individuals. All but two have been indicted for 
grave
breaches. Only one person indicted, who was in custody in the Federal
Republic of Germany, has been transferred to the custody of the Tribunal 
in
the Hague, the Netherlands. None of the arrest warrants issued by the
Tribunal has been served, apart from provisional arrest warrants for two
individuals held in the custody of the authorities of Bosnia- 
Herzegovina
and transferred to the Hague. Most of the individuals indicted are 
believed
to have remained in the former Yugoslavia.

      The failure to search for and arrest persons suspected of having
committed or ordered grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is
inconsistent with the principles of the peace agreement. IFOR is obliged
under the peace agreement "to take such actions as required" to ensure
compliance with Annex I of the peace agreement. That Annex requires the
parties "to cooperate fully with any international personnel, including
investigators" of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council
understood when adopting Resolution 1031 on 15 December 1995 that 
resolution
and the peace agreement gave IFOR the authority to detain and transfer
persons indicted by the Tribunal.

      All the parties to the peace agreement are required to cooperate 
fully
with the Tribunal and FOR is responsible for implementation of the
agreement. The parties' cooperation has been limited. Bosnia-Herzegovina 
has
enacted legislation, deferred prosecutions at the request of the 
Tribunal
and provisionally arrested and transferred suspects to the Tribunal. 
Croatia
has permitted Tribunal investigators to operate on its territory, but 
has
not yet enacted necessary legislation. The Bosnian Serb authorities have
recently permitted investigators to operate in territory under their
control. It is a matter of serious concern, however, that, in clear
violation of the peace agreement, the Bosnian Serb authorities, the
authorities of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro),

the Croatian authorities and the Bosnian Croat authorities have all 
failed
to transfer persons who have been indicted to the Tribunal. Although it 
has
promised to do so, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has not yet 
permitted
the Tribunal to open an office or its investigators to operate freely in 
its
territory.

      IFOR is obliged under the peace agreement to establish a durable
cessation of hostilities, which includes ensuring that the parties
"cooperate fully with any international personnel including investigators 


From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 09:08:41 PDT 1996
Article: 30733 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: j*ws hunt Nazis in USA
Date: 2 Jun 1996 03:23:48 GMT
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Date: Wednesday, 22-May-96 09:32 PM

_US Strips Man of Citizenship_)

74-year-old retired tool-and-die maker Ferdinand Hammer was stripped of 
his
US citizenship today (5/22/96) because the government says he lied about
being an SS guard at a concentration camp during World War II.  This 
ruling
by US district Judge Horace Gilmore followed a four-day hearing and 
clears
the way for the government to have Hammer deported.  This morning Hammer,

who was born in Croatia, denied ever working in a concentration camp.  
The
government said Hammer was in the Waffen SS's Death's Head Battalion and
lied about it when he was seeking citizenship.  While seeking US 
citizenship
in 1962 he said he was a German soldier on the eastern front during the 
war.
 On Monday military historian Charles Sydnor, Jr., testified that World 
War
II documents prove that Hammer was an Auschwitz guard.  Sydnor, author 
of
_Soldiers of Destruction: A History of the SS Death's Head Division_, 
said
"Based on the evidence, as a historian, I have to conclude that he did 
serve
at Auschwitz."









From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 09:08:42 PDT 1996
Article: 30795 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: 6,000,000 a hoax, says rabbi SACKS
Date: 3 Jun 1996 13:00:05 GMT
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Every day, as j*ws die of natural causes, we are smitten with finding 
that so many of those in the obituaries were previously listed as 
'holocaust victims'.  Too, we have learned that living 'eyewitnesses' 
have invented victims, from non-existant neighbors to listing their dogs 
as missing family members. This has caused, necessarily, increased 
interest in Revisionism, the movement to find the truth about the 
holocaust lies. Revisionism has already enlightened many, and led to an 
increase in anti-semitism as a backlash. Of course, those perpetrating 
the holocaust myth typically label anyone merely seeking the truth as 
hateful. 

But we now have the numero uno rebbi of Great Britain calling for honesty,
 revisionism and reaching across the abyss to repair damage caused by the 
holocaust lies.  Whether he is acting from frustration or from a desire 
to quell the rising tides of anti-semitism, only he can say. That rebbi, 
Dr. johnathan h. SACKS, in an open letter to the community, dated March 6,
 1996, "..called for  revising the 'Six million' figure of Jews killed 
during the  second world war."

He said that it was "important to find out how many people, presumed dead,
 are still alive."  He said it was far more important to unite families 
than to live with a FIGURE ARRIVED AT QUITE ARBITRARILY. . .  "

Will wonders never cease? It will be interesting to see the reaction and 
denials of those deeply involved in promoting the myth.




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 09:13:15 PDT 1996
Article: 55278 of alt.conspiracy
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: war crimes....no perpetrators
Date: 2 Jun 1996 03:01:31 GMT
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 Date: Sunday, 05-May-96 03:14 PM

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
THE DUTY TO SEARCH FOR
WAR CRIMES SUSPECTS:

AN OPEN LETTER FROM AMNESTY
INTERNATIONAL TO IFOR COMMANDERS AND
CONTRIBUTING GOVERNMENTS

                                            AI Index: EUR 63/08/96
                                              London, 1 March 1996

Amnesty International is deeply concerned that the multinational 
military
Implementation Force (IFOR) is continuing to refuse to search for 
persons
suspected of genocide, other crimes against humanity and serious 
violations
of humanitarian law. The failure to carry out this law enforcement duty 
is a
clear breach by states contributing troops to IFOR of their obligations
under the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Security Council 
Resolution
827. It is also inconsistent with the principles of the General 
Framework
Agreement on Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina reached in Dayton, Ohio in
November 1995 (the peace agreement). It sends a clear message to all 
those
responsible for such crimes that to ensure impunity they need only avoid
coming into direct contact with IFOR as long as it is in Bosnia-
Herzegovina.

      Since the first IFOR troops arrived in Bosnia-Herzegovina last year,

spokespersons for IFOR and troop-contributing states have repeatedly 
stated
that they would not search for persons indicted by the International
Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (the Tribunal), but would 
arrest
suspects only if they encountered them. IFOR spokesperson, Lt. Col. Mark
Rayner, stated on 12 February, "IFOR troops have the authority, but not 
the
obligation, to detain indicted war criminals". According to reports, 
troops
have encountered more than one person who has been indicted by the 
Tribunal,
but failed to arrest them. Amnesty International welcomes the recent
announcement that IFOR is now informing its personnel of the identities 
of
people who have been indicted by the Tribunal by providing them with
photographs of some of the accused and instructing them to arrest any
accused they happen to encounter, if feasible. This step, however, fails 
to
fulfil state obligations to search for, arrest and bring to justice 
those
responsible for grave breaches of the four Geneva Conventions of August 
12,
1949 for the Protection of War Victims and its Additional Protocol I.

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal for grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is a clear 
violation
of international law. All the states contributing troops to IFOR are 
state
parties or succesor state-parties to the Geneva Conventions and each is
therefore obliged "to search for persons alleged to have committed, or 
to
have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such
persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts", the 
courts
of another state or an international criminal court (Geneva Convention No.

I, Art. 49; Geneva Convention No. II, Art. 50; Geneva Convention No. III,

Art. 129; Geneva Convention No. IV, Art. 146). This obligation applies 
in
all cases, not just when the Tribunal or a national court has indicted 
an
accused or asked for a suspect to be provisionally arrested. Thus, the 
duty
to search for people suspected of having committed or having ordered to 
be
committed such grave breaches is independent of any action taken by the
Tribunal or a national court. The Geneva Conventions expressly provide 
that
states parties to the Geneva Conventions may not absolve themselves of 
any
liability which they or other states parties have incurred in respect of
grave breaches (Geneva Convention No. I, Art. 51; Geneva Convention No. 
II,
Art. 52; Geneva Convention No. III, Art. 131; Geneva Convention No. IV, 
Art.
148). The official commentary by the International Committee of the Red
Cross makes clear that this common provision removes any doubt that the 
duty
to prosecute and punish the authors of grave breaches is "absolute".

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal also violates troop-contributing states' legal obligations to
implement Security Council Resolution 827 of 25 May 1993 establishing 
the
Tribunal. That resolution requires all states "to cooperate fully with 
the
International Tribunal" and to "take any measures necessary" to 
implement
the resolution, including compliance with Tribunal orders or requests 
for
assistance. There are no exceptions. The Tribunal has so far issued 13
indictments against 53 individuals. All but two have been indicted for 
grave
breaches. Only one person indicted, who was in custody in the Federal
Republic of Germany, has been transferred to the custody of the Tribunal 
in
the Hague, the Netherlands. None of the arrest warrants issued by the
Tribunal has been served, apart from provisional arrest warrants for two
individuals held in the custody of the authorities of Bosnia- 
Herzegovina
and transferred to the Hague. Most of the individuals indicted are 
believed
to have remained in the former Yugoslavia.

      The failure to search for and arrest persons suspected of having
committed or ordered grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is
inconsistent with the principles of the peace agreement. IFOR is obliged
under the peace agreement "to take such actions as required" to ensure
compliance with Annex I of the peace agreement. That Annex requires the
parties "to cooperate fully with any international personnel, including
investigators" of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council
understood when adopting Resolution 1031 on 15 December 1995 that 
resolution
and the peace agreement gave IFOR the authority to detain and transfer
persons indicted by the Tribunal.

      All the parties to the peace agreement are required to cooperate 
fully
with the Tribunal and FOR is responsible for implementation of the
agreement. The parties' cooperation has been limited. Bosnia-Herzegovina 
has
enacted legislation, deferred prosecutions at the request of the 
Tribunal
and provisionally arrested and transferred suspects to the Tribunal. 
Croatia
has permitted Tribunal investigators to operate on its territory, but 
has
not yet enacted necessary legislation. The Bosnian Serb authorities have
recently permitted investigators to operate in territory under their
control. It is a matter of serious concern, however, that, in clear
violation of the peace agreement, the Bosnian Serb authorities, the
authorities of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro),

the Croatian authorities and the Bosnian Croat authorities have all 
failed
to transfer persons who have been indicted to the Tribunal. Although it 
has
promised to do so, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has not yet 
permitted
the Tribunal to open an office or its investigators to operate freely in 
its
territory.

      IFOR is obliged under the peace agreement to establish a durable
cessation of hostilities, which includes ensuring that the parties
"cooperate fully with any international personnel including investigators 


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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: no dead j*ws, no war crimes..Bosnia
Date: 2 Jun 1996 03:02:06 GMT
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 Date: Sunday, 05-May-96 03:14 PM

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
THE DUTY TO SEARCH FOR
WAR CRIMES SUSPECTS:

AN OPEN LETTER FROM AMNESTY
INTERNATIONAL TO IFOR COMMANDERS AND
CONTRIBUTING GOVERNMENTS

                                            AI Index: EUR 63/08/96
                                              London, 1 March 1996

Amnesty International is deeply concerned that the multinational 
military
Implementation Force (IFOR) is continuing to refuse to search for 
persons
suspected of genocide, other crimes against humanity and serious 
violations
of humanitarian law. The failure to carry out this law enforcement duty 
is a
clear breach by states contributing troops to IFOR of their obligations
under the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Security Council 
Resolution
827. It is also inconsistent with the principles of the General 
Framework
Agreement on Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina reached in Dayton, Ohio in
November 1995 (the peace agreement). It sends a clear message to all 
those
responsible for such crimes that to ensure impunity they need only avoid
coming into direct contact with IFOR as long as it is in Bosnia-
Herzegovina.

      Since the first IFOR troops arrived in Bosnia-Herzegovina last year,

spokespersons for IFOR and troop-contributing states have repeatedly 
stated
that they would not search for persons indicted by the International
Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (the Tribunal), but would 
arrest
suspects only if they encountered them. IFOR spokesperson, Lt. Col. Mark
Rayner, stated on 12 February, "IFOR troops have the authority, but not 
the
obligation, to detain indicted war criminals". According to reports, 
troops
have encountered more than one person who has been indicted by the 
Tribunal,
but failed to arrest them. Amnesty International welcomes the recent
announcement that IFOR is now informing its personnel of the identities 
of
people who have been indicted by the Tribunal by providing them with
photographs of some of the accused and instructing them to arrest any
accused they happen to encounter, if feasible. This step, however, fails 
to
fulfil state obligations to search for, arrest and bring to justice 
those
responsible for grave breaches of the four Geneva Conventions of August 
12,
1949 for the Protection of War Victims and its Additional Protocol I.

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal for grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is a clear 
violation
of international law. All the states contributing troops to IFOR are 
state
parties or succesor state-parties to the Geneva Conventions and each is
therefore obliged "to search for persons alleged to have committed, or 
to
have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such
persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts", the 
courts
of another state or an international criminal court (Geneva Convention No.

I, Art. 49; Geneva Convention No. II, Art. 50; Geneva Convention No. III,

Art. 129; Geneva Convention No. IV, Art. 146). This obligation applies 
in
all cases, not just when the Tribunal or a national court has indicted 
an
accused or asked for a suspect to be provisionally arrested. Thus, the 
duty
to search for people suspected of having committed or having ordered to 
be
committed such grave breaches is independent of any action taken by the
Tribunal or a national court. The Geneva Conventions expressly provide 
that
states parties to the Geneva Conventions may not absolve themselves of 
any
liability which they or other states parties have incurred in respect of
grave breaches (Geneva Convention No. I, Art. 51; Geneva Convention No. 
II,
Art. 52; Geneva Convention No. III, Art. 131; Geneva Convention No. IV, 
Art.
148). The official commentary by the International Committee of the Red
Cross makes clear that this common provision removes any doubt that the 
duty
to prosecute and punish the authors of grave breaches is "absolute".

      The refusal to search for people who have been indicted by the
Tribunal also violates troop-contributing states' legal obligations to
implement Security Council Resolution 827 of 25 May 1993 establishing 
the
Tribunal. That resolution requires all states "to cooperate fully with 
the
International Tribunal" and to "take any measures necessary" to 
implement
the resolution, including compliance with Tribunal orders or requests 
for
assistance. There are no exceptions. The Tribunal has so far issued 13
indictments against 53 individuals. All but two have been indicted for 
grave
breaches. Only one person indicted, who was in custody in the Federal
Republic of Germany, has been transferred to the custody of the Tribunal 
in
the Hague, the Netherlands. None of the arrest warrants issued by the
Tribunal has been served, apart from provisional arrest warrants for two
individuals held in the custody of the authorities of Bosnia- 
Herzegovina
and transferred to the Hague. Most of the individuals indicted are 
believed
to have remained in the former Yugoslavia.

      The failure to search for and arrest persons suspected of having
committed or ordered grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions is
inconsistent with the principles of the peace agreement. IFOR is obliged
under the peace agreement "to take such actions as required" to ensure
compliance with Annex I of the peace agreement. That Annex requires the
parties "to cooperate fully with any international personnel, including
investigators" of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council
understood when adopting Resolution 1031 on 15 December 1995 that 
resolution
and the peace agreement gave IFOR the authority to detain and transfer
persons indicted by the Tribunal.

      All the parties to the peace agreement are required to cooperate 
fully
with the Tribunal and FOR is responsible for implementation of the
agreement. The parties' cooperation has been limited. Bosnia-Herzegovina 
has
enacted legislation, deferred prosecutions at the request of the 
Tribunal
and provisionally arrested and transferred suspects to the Tribunal. 
Croatia
has permitted Tribunal investigators to operate on its territory, but 
has
not yet enacted necessary legislation. The Bosnian Serb authorities have
recently permitted investigators to operate in territory under their
control. It is a matter of serious concern, however, that, in clear
violation of the peace agreement, the Bosnian Serb authorities, the
authorities of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro),

the Croatian authorities and the Bosnian Croat authorities have all 
failed
to transfer persons who have been indicted to the Tribunal. Although it 
has
promised to do so, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has not yet 
permitted
the Tribunal to open an office or its investigators to operate freely in 
its
territory.

      IFOR is obliged under the peace agreement to establish a durable
cessation of hostilities, which includes ensuring that the parties
"cooperate fully with any international personnel including investigators 


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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: j*ws continue assault on U.S.
Date: 2 Jun 1996 03:02:52 GMT
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Date: Saturday, 25-May-96 09:19 AM

_US Strips Another Man of Citizenship_

Alleged Lithuanian Nazi Aleksandras Lileikis, 88, was stripped of his US
citizenship yesterday (5/24/96) by US District Judge Richard Stearns.
Federal prosecutors say Lileikis was a secret police chief who helped
exterminate Lithuanian jews during World War II.  US Attorney Donald 
STERN
said "Today's decision represents an important, however modest, measure 
of
justice for the tens of thousands of jews who lost their lives under
Lileikis' command."  Lileikis is a retired publishing worker who had 
been
living quietly in Norwood, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.

   =====






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Subject: j*ws continue assault on U.S./2
Date: 2 Jun 1996 03:04:08 GMT
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Date: Wednesday, 22-May-96 09:32 PM

_US Strips Man of Citizenship_

74-year-old retired tool-and-die maker Ferdinand Hammer was stripped of 
his
US citizenship today (5/22/96) because the government says he lied about
being an SS guard at a concentration camp during World War II.  This 
ruling
by US district Judge Horace Gilmore followed a four-day hearing and 
clears
the way for the government to have Hammer deported.  This morning Hammer,

who was born in Croatia, denied ever working in a concentration camp.  
The
government said Hammer was in the Waffen SS's Death's Head Battalion and
lied about it when he was seeking citizenship.  While seeking US 
citizenship
in 1962 he said he was a German soldier on the eastern front during the 
war.
 On Monday military historian Charles Sydnor, Jr., testified that World 
War
II documents prove that Hammer was an Auschwitz guard.  Sydnor, author 
of
_Soldiers of Destruction: A History of the SS Death's Head Division_, 
said
"Based on the evidence, as a historian, I have to conclude that he did 
serve
at Auschwitz."

   =====








From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 09:13:19 PDT 1996
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HARD LABOR FOR REFUSING DNA SAMPLE

     SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, ILL - An Air Force sergeant was demoted and
sentenced to 14 days of hard labor for refusing to give a blood and 
saliva
sample for a DNA registry designed to help identify servicemen's remains.

     Tech-Sgt. Warren Sinclair, 33, of Hampton, VA, became the third
serviceman this year to be convicted with a court-martial for disobeying 
an
order to provide such samples.
     Sinclair had claimed that the requirement violated his Fourth 
Amendment
protection against unreasonable search and seizure. He also declared. "It 
is
our God-given right to maintain possession of our genes."
     He contended that the Pentagon did not have adequate safeguards to
prevent the DNA from being used for other purposes than the 
identification
of remains. Prosecutors disputed that.
     Some experts have warned that genetic information that can indicate
whether someone is susceptible to certain diseases could be used to deny
people insurance or employment.
      Sinclair was demoted two ranks and sentenced to hard labor without
confinement by the military Judge who found him guilty. He could have
received a bad-conduct discharge, six months confinement at hard labor 
and
forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay.
      In closing, prosecutors warned Sinclair was a threat to military
discipline.
     The Pentagon began ordering genetic samples in 1993. It now has 
more
than 1 million samples.
     Dr. Paul Thillings of Stanford University's medical school 
testified
that the program could not guarantee a serviceman's DNA would not be 
used
for other purposes. But he acknowledged under cross-examination that he 
knew
of no instances of misuse by the Pentagon.

Casper (WY) Star-Tribune
May 11, 1996






From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 09:13:20 PDT 1996
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Weekly Update 
Volume 3 Issue 9
May 16-23, 1996

DEMONIZING THE MILITIA 

     On Sunday, May 19 1996, millions of Americans had their breakfast 
and
morning coffee while reading the "Parade," a nationally distributed
newspaper insert magazine. Departing from the usual fill of feelgood 
stories
of triumph in the face of adversity and/or people making a positive
difference in others lives, the cover story "WILL THIS AGENCY SURVIVE?"
promised a look at the controversy surrounding the BATF, "reported" by 
Peter
Maas. What I read made me want to lose my breakfast. Right after reading
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA quoted "If I had to do it over again, I 
wouldn't
have done it" regarding his characterization of the BATF as "jack-booted
government thugs" in a fund- raising letter, and a list of the NRA's
attempts to restore 2nd amendment rights which have been infringed upon
(which of course, instead of assailing the unconstitutional gun laws 
that
congress has passed, the paragraph reads more like the BATF is trying to 
do
something underhanded.) comes this gem;
      "On other fronts the emergence of self-styled 'militias' has 
resulted
in more than 100 ATF agents receiving death threats in the last year.
Members of the so-called 'Michigan militia' reportedly gathered not only 
the
home addresses of ATF agents but also where their children attend school.
"
      Notice that the article doesn't say anything about the death 
threats
coming from anyone in the Michigan Militia, it SIMPLY LINKS TWO SEPARATE
EVENTS IN PRINT, CREATING A GUILTY-BY-ASSOCIATION IN THE READER'S MIND, 
in
an obvious attempt to demonize the Michigan Militia. This underhanded 
media technique
has been used repeatedly in government statements, so-called 'think-
tank'
reports and especially by The Associated Press to discredit and attempt 
to
divide the patriots of Michigan. I have noticed that this is an 
especially
favorite tool of the Anti-Defamation League, whose Detroit attorney made
several such inferences in a recent Press Q&A column. The ADL regularly
publishes erroneous information as they pretend to know what goes on in 
the
Michigan and other militias. They are the anti-thesis of anti-defamation.

      In the May 10 FBI alert article on the Militia 'war warning' the
Spokane Spokesman-Review says that the southern Poverty Law center
"estimates that there are more than 800 anti-government 'patriot' groups
nationwide, including 'white supremacists, neo-Nazis, common law freemen 
and
paramilitary militia.'" somehow. I had never really thought of the neo-
Nazis
as a patriot group before the all-knowing SPLC put it in print. And, 
when
did PRO- CONSTITUTION become ANTI-GOVERNMENT?
     Even before the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed, The
Associated Press was dis-informing and deceiving in its articles on the
militia, and even when they know that an article has outright lies in it,

The Grand Rapids press still prints it. (Most recently it's been 
printing
articles involving the Freemen where the AP has repeatedly stated that 
Norm
Olson is the leader of the Michigan Militia, when the Press knows full 
well
that he was voted out of his command and replaced by Lynn Van Huizen 
last
year). When I called the Press over a year ago and asked them about the
bogus Mark Koernke/blow-up-the-guard-camp story, which made it sound like 
he
was the leader of the Michigan Militia, I was told that they can't check 
out
the validity of every Associated Press article that they print, and 
referred
me to the AP office, who said they would check into it. They still 
haven't
explained it.
     The shark-like media feeding frenzy continues, seizing every
opportunity to link the words "Michigan Militia" with the Oklahoma City
bombing, white supremacists, white separatists, Aryan nation, neo-nazi,
angry white males, and the media favorite word - "extremists" etc., by
making a statement about one group and then the other. Very clever. 
These
media sharks, by not outrightly accusing the militias of anything, 
thereby
protecting themselves from libel. The media successfully demonizes the
militias and other true patriot groups by simply associating hate groups 
in
the same paragraph.
     Another media favorite is to call a group a 'militia' that has
absolutely nothing to
do with the real militia, such as in the 05/10/96 AP article titled 
"LORDS
OF CHAOS - Good teens caught up in arson, robbery and murder," about a 
group of
five rampaging teens who murdered a Fort Meyers, FL band director with a
12-gauge shotgun blast to the face. The article says "it was the work of 
a
self-described teen militia." There is no such thing!
     The Queen of media puppets though, has to be syndicated columnist 
Molly
Ivans, whose moronic 'militia hate group' drivel is regularly injected 
into
her ignorant ramblings - apparently based on all the Associated Press
articles that she has read. What really amazes me about these people
preaching so adamantly against "fostering hate" is that they seem to 
foster
so much of it themselves.
     While there may or may not be some people in the militia groups 
that
have extreme views, that does not change the intent, purpose or ideals 
of
the good majority of militia members, anymore than a church congregation
member with extreme views indicates that the whole church shares the 
same
views.

Arlynn Afton
Wyoming, MI
(submitted to the Grand Rapids Press)







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to challenge the progres-    | If ye love wealth better than liberty, 
the
sively stregthened U.N. peace| tranquility of servitude better than the
force...The manufacture of   | animating cost of freedom, go home from 
us
armaments would be prohibited| in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms.

..All other armaments would | Crouch down and lick the hands which feed
you.
be destroyed..."             | May your chains set lightly upon you, and 
may
 -Department of State        | Posterity forget you were our countrymen.
  publication number 7277    |          - Samuel Adams, 1776
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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 10:25:29 PDT 1996
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Subject: Timothy Wheeler, MD: Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and 
Loathing

=46rom: DRGOTWW@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 02:24:26 -0400

Subject: COMMENT : Antigun Orthopedists?

=46rom:  Timothy Wheeler, MD  (drgotww@aol.com)
Director, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (a Project of The 
Claremont
Institute), Claremont, California

The March 1996 issue of Orthopedics Today contained an article by John
McGinty, MD.  A medical doctor with no declared expertise in firearms 
other
than his feelings, Dr. McGinty attacked gun owners in general and the NRA 
in
particular.  Among his assertions:

1) =ECAssault weapons, semiautomatic weapons and handguns have only one
purpose: to shoot people.=EE

2) =ECWe can no longer afford to have the safety of our society...
dictated
b= y groups such as the National Rifle Association and the Doctors for
Integrity in Research and Public Policy under the guise of civil rights 
and
the Second Amendment.=EE

The text of Dr. McGinty=EDs article is accessible at the journal=EDs 
Web=
 site at
http://www.slackinc.com/ot.htm   Go to Current Issue and then to letters 
to
the editor, which contain links to the article.

With the managing editor=EDs permission I sent the following commentary
(edi=
ted
here for length) for publication as a documented rebuttal to Dr. 
McGinty=EDs
grievously biased accusations.  The editors refused to publish it, even
though they regularly print rebuttals to medical topics.  I now submit 
it
fo=
r
your review.

If you care to contact the editors about what appears to be willful
exclusio= n of contrary scholarship, you can reach them by e-mail at
 ortoday@slackinc.com or by writing:

    Editor, ORTHOPEDICS TODAY
    6900 Grove Road
    Thorofare,  NJ  08086

My response follows in two parts (full text available on request):


Arms and The Doctor: Beyond Fear and Loathing

Timothy Wheeler, MD


The March Commentary in Orthopedics Today bared the strong emotions many 
of
us feel about guns.  Those health professionals who see a steady stream 
of
gunshot wound victims often come to think poorly of guns and gun owners.

But there is a downside to letting feelings drive our judgment as
physicians=
-
 An example of that danger was seen in Orthopedics Today in March, with 
the
statement that  =ECit has been conclusively shown that [handguns] are
responsible for increasing numbers of accidental injuries and deaths=EE. 

Th= is bold assertion agrees with what most doctors would conclude from
reading the headlines.  It is certainly what we have been told by the 
new
public health gun experts.  And it is wrong.

In fact, accidental firearm injuries and fatalities have been steadily
decreasing for the last 60 years. 1  There are numerous well-established
truths about guns which contradict the conventional public health wisdom.

 Here are a few:

1. Fewer than 1% of the guns owned by Americans are ever used in crimes 
2
2. States and regions with the strictest gun control laws have the 
highest
rates of gun-related crime 3
3. Americans use firearms as many as 2.5 million times each year to 
defend
against criminal attacks 4

How can it be that doctors have not been told the whole truth about guns? 
 A
huge body of research has been amassed by criminologists over the last 
20
years, much of it confirming what typical gun owning citizens know
intuitively: =ECgun violence=EE is the work of a small minority of 
criminal
aberrants, most of whom have a lifelong history of violent and 
antisocial
behavior.

The public health gun prohibitionists, however, start with an avowed
prejudice toward guns 5 which fatally biases their research.  In no 
other
area of medical research would such open prejudice be tolerated.  But
reformers have =ECreframed the debate=EE on firearms from the matrix of
criminology to that of public health.  When dissenting authors try to
presen= t their case, gun-loathing medical editors routinely reject it 
on
the grounds that it is not peer reviewed by physicians, as if doctors 
were
somehow the prevailing authorities on firearms!

Because of this embargo on opinions dissenting from antigun public 
health
orthodoxy, the debate is beginning to bypass medical forums.  Now we see 
the
real academic discussion about guns taking place in the law reviews and
criminology journals.


The contentious debate over firearms in our society will not be quelled
soon=
-
 But if we consider firearms to be in the domain of medical research, 
then
w= e must follow the science wherever it leads us.  Let=EDs work together 
to
lear= n the truth, and not be afraid of it.



Endnotes

1)  Accident Facts 1993 Edition: National Safety Council

2)  Kleck, G.  Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America,  Aldine de
Gruyter=
,
New York
      1991, p. 47

3)  Suter, E.  =ECGuns in the Medical Literature: a Failure of Peer 
Review=
=EE, J
Med Assoc of
     Georgia, Vol. 83, No. 13, March 1994, p. 143

4)  Kleck, G., Gertz, M.  =ECArmed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence 
and
Nature of
     Self-Defense With a Gun=EE, J Crim Law and Criminology, Vol. 86, No. 
1,
=46all 1995,
     p. 164.  Northwestern University School of Law

5)  Kassirer, J.  Editor=EDs Reply in =ECCorrespondence=EE, N Engl J Med.

19= 92;
326:1161


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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 11:02:28 PDT 1996
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Date: Monday, 22-Apr-96 09:03 PM

From: Slayer

Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 11:09:36 PDT 1996
Article: 40849 of alt.revisionism
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: IT'S OVER, rebbi admits 6,000,000 hoax
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Every day, as j*ws die of natural causes, we are smitten with finding 
that so many of those in the obituaries were previously listed as 
'holocaust victims'.  Too, we have learned that living 'eyewitnesses' 
have invented victims, from non-existant neighbors to listing their dogs 
as missing family members. This has caused, necessarily, increased 
interest in Revisionism, the movement to find the truth about the 
holocaust lies. Revisionism has already enlightened many, and led to an 
increase in anti-semitism as a backlash. Of course, those perpetrating 
the holocaust myth typically label anyone merely seeking the truth as 
hateful. 

But we now have the numero uno rebbi of Great Britain calling for honesty,
 revisionism and reaching across the abyss to repair damage caused by the 
holocaust lies.  Whether he is acting from frustration or from a desire 
to quell the rising tides of anti-semitism, only he can say. That rebbi, 
Dr. johnathan h. SACKS, in an open letter to the community, dated March 6,
 1996, "..called for  revising the 'Six million' figure of Jews killed 
during the  second world war."

He said that it was "important to find out how many people, presumed dead,
 are still alive."  He said it was far more important to unite families 
than to live with a FIGURE ARRIVED AT QUITE ARBITRARILY. . .  "

Will wonders never cease? It will be interesting to see the reaction and 
denials of those deeply involved in promoting the myth.




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 11:36:22 PDT 1996
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Every day, as j*ws die of natural causes, we are smitten with finding 
that so many of those in the obituaries were previously listed as 
'holocaust victims'.  Too, we have learned that living 'eyewitnesses' 
have invented victims, from non-existant neighbors to listing their dogs 
as missing family members. This has caused, necessarily, increased 
interest in Revisionism, the movement to find the truth about the 
holocaust lies. Revisionism has already enlightened many, and led to an 
increase in anti-semitism as a backlash. Of course, those perpetrating 
the holocaust myth typically label anyone merely seeking the truth as 
hateful. 

But we now have the numero uno rebbi of Great Britain calling for honesty,
 revisionism and reaching across the abyss to repair damage caused by the 
holocaust lies.  Whether he is acting from frustration or from a desire 
to quell the rising tides of anti-semitism, only he can say. That rebbi, 
Dr. johnathan h. SACKS, in an open letter to the community, dated March 6,
 1996, "..called for  revising the 'Six million' figure of Jews killed 
during the  second world war."

He said that it was "important to find out how many people, presumed dead,
 are still alive."  He said it was far more important to unite families 
than to live with a FIGURE ARRIVED AT QUITE ARBITRARILY. . .  "

Will wonders never cease? It will be interesting to see the reaction and 
denials of those deeply involved in promoting the myth.




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 11:39:27 PDT 1996
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Subject: This is j*ws' idea of peace...LOOK OUT!
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Date: Monday, 22-Apr-96 09:03 PM

From: Slayer


Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










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Date: Tuesday, 28-May-96 10:35 PM

_Apartment Owners To Pay Out Record Sum In Bias Claim_ 

The owner and former manager of an apartment complex in Florida agreed 
today
(5/28/96) to pay $427,000 to settle Justice Department allegations that 
they
discriminated against negroes and families with children.  The settlement 
is
the largest ever under the department's fair housing program, which 
sends
out pairs of negroes and Whites posing as prospective tenants asking 
about
units available for rent.  Lola JACOBSON, the complex owner, agreed not 
to
discriminate, will pay $200,000 to compensate identified "victims" and 
will
pay $125,000 to pay for clinics offering information about rental
opportunities in the area.  Jacobson and former manager eva FEINSTEIN 
will
also pay $52,000 in civil penalties to the US Treasury.
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Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 11:44:28 PDT 1996
Article: 55438 of alt.conspiracy
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Subject: Blacks screwed by JEWS
Date: 3 Jun 1996 12:50:46 GMT
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Date: Tuesday, 28-May-96 10:35 PM

_Apartment Owners To Pay Out Record Sum In Bias Claim_ 

The owner and former manager of an apartment complex in Florida agreed 
today
(5/28/96) to pay $427,000 to settle Justice Department allegations that 
they
discriminated against negroes and families with children.  The settlement 
is
the largest ever under the department's fair housing program, which 
sends
out pairs of negroes and Whites posing as prospective tenants asking 
about
units available for rent.  Lola JACOBSON, the complex owner, agreed not 
to
discriminate, will pay $200,000 to compensate identified "victims" and 
will
pay $125,000 to pay for clinics offering information about rental
opportunities in the area.  Jacobson and former manager eva FEINSTEIN 
will
also pay $52,000 in civil penalties to the US Treasury.
=====
Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 11:44:30 PDT 1996
Article: 55439 of alt.conspiracy
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Pierre forced to flee France
Date: 3 Jun 1996 12:51:39 GMT
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Date: Wednesday, 29-May-96 04:54 PM

_Abbe Pierre flees France after Holocaust dispute_ (Reuter)

PARIS (May 29, 1996 3:23 p.m. EDT) - Abbe Pierre, an elderly priest
regularly voted France's most popular man, has left the country after a
dispute over his support for the author of a book which casts doubt on 
the
holocaust.

Abbe Pierre, 83, became embroiled in controversy last month when he 
backed
his friend, Roger Garaudy, whose book "The Founding Myths of Israeli
Politics," doubts the widely-accepted belief that the Nazis killed six
million Jews in World War II.

An advance copy of Pelerin Magazine, made available Wednesday, said the
Roman Catholic cleric has been living in a Benedictine monastery in Padua,

northern Italy, since the beginning of May.

"I have suffered a lot. A great deal. The attacks to which I have been
subjected have been endless," he told the magazine, which appears 
Thursday.

A French anti-racist group, the International League against Racism and
Anti-Semitism (LICRA), said it did not regret its decision expelling 
Abbe
Pierre after 20 years on its board for refusing to distance himself from
Garaudy.

"We hope that this Italian retreat will make him realise the enormous
mistake he made in supporting the revisionist theses of Roger Garaudy," 
said
Pierre Aidenbaum, LICRA President.

"If Abbe Pierre declares that he condemns all forms of revisionism, in
particular and unconditionally the Roger Garaudy book, we will be ready 
to
take him back," he added.

The leader of the Movement against Racism and for Friendship between 
Peoples
(MRAP), which had criticized Abbe Pierre, also called on him to 
acknowledge
his mistake.

"He fell into the trap of revisionism," said Aounit Mouloud, MRAP 
secretary
general. "This is a way of making us into the guilty party, which I 
don't
accept."

"The only response is to fight against the falsification of history and 
not
to take flight," he added.

Abbe Pierre had said he condemned any attempt to play down the 
"atrocious
reality" of Hitler's Jewish genocide but he would withdraw his support 
for
Garaudy only if his long-standing friend failed to admit "any mistake 
proven
against him."

The magazine said Abbe Pierre had written a long letter to Israeli Prime
Minister Shimon Peres from his Italian monastery. And Cardinal Lustiger,
archbishop of Paris, advised him to stay silent after the Garaudy affair, 
to
avoid stirring further rows.

The Roman Catholic priest plans to go to one of the religious Emmaus
communities at Zermatt, Switzerland, on June 1, where he will stay for 
three
weeks. Afterwards, he will return to the Praglia monastery near Padua.

"At my age, I do not exclude finishing my days in this place. But that is 
by
the grace of God," he said.

France 2 television reported that the priest told them by telephone he 
would
be back in France in September to attend a UNESCO conference.

Since he took up the plight of the homeless in the winter of 1953-54, 
Abbe
Pierre came to embody the conscience of the nation in his black beret, 
white
beard and simple robes.

Born Henri-Antoine Groues, the fifth child of a wealthy silk merchant, 
he
gave up a comfortable life to become a Franciscan monk. As a Resistance
chaplain during the Nazi occupation in World War II, he helped smuggle 
Jews
out of France.

The chain of homeless shelters he founded in 1949 now covers 32 
countries
and takes in 3,500 people in France alone.

In December 1994, his "holy anger" shamed the government when he led
squatters in an occupation of an empty apartment building in the chic 
Paris
district of Saint-Germain-des-Pres to demand homes for the homeless.

In the 1990s, newspaper readers regularly voted him one of France's two 
most
loved personalities, along with veteran underwater explorer Jacques
Cousteau.

-ANA-
******************************************************





From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 12:51:42 PDT 1996
Article: 76168 of soc.culture.german
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Subject: They do it to Palestinians now
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From: Slayer


Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 12:51:43 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: j*w wanted to genocide all Germans
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Date: Monday, 22-Apr-96 09:03 PM

From: Slayer


Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 12:51:44 PDT 1996
Article: 76170 of soc.culture.german
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: j*ws force Pierre into exile
Date: 3 Jun 1996 13:16:26 GMT
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Date: Wednesday, 29-May-96 04:54 PM

_Abbe Pierre flees France after Holocaust dispute_ (Reuter)

PARIS (May 29, 1996 3:23 p.m. EDT) - Abbe Pierre, an elderly priest
regularly voted France's most popular man, has left the country after a
dispute over his support for the author of a book which casts doubt on 
the
holocaust.

Abbe Pierre, 83, became embroiled in controversy last month when he 
backed
his friend, Roger Garaudy, whose book "The Founding Myths of Israeli
Politics," doubts the widely-accepted belief that the Nazis killed six
million Jews in World War II.

An advance copy of Pelerin Magazine, made available Wednesday, said the
Roman Catholic cleric has been living in a Benedictine monastery in Padua,

northern Italy, since the beginning of May.

"I have suffered a lot. A great deal. The attacks to which I have been
subjected have been endless," he told the magazine, which appears 
Thursday.

A French anti-racist group, the International League against Racism and
Anti-Semitism (LICRA), said it did not regret its decision expelling 
Abbe
Pierre after 20 years on its board for refusing to distance himself from
Garaudy.

"We hope that this Italian retreat will make him realise the enormous
mistake he made in supporting the revisionist theses of Roger Garaudy," 
said
Pierre Aidenbaum, LICRA President.

"If Abbe Pierre declares that he condemns all forms of revisionism, in
particular and unconditionally the Roger Garaudy book, we will be ready 
to
take him back," he added.

The leader of the Movement against Racism and for Friendship between 
Peoples
(MRAP), which had criticized Abbe Pierre, also called on him to 
acknowledge
his mistake.

"He fell into the trap of revisionism," said Aounit Mouloud, MRAP 
secretary
general. "This is a way of making us into the guilty party, which I 
don't
accept."

"The only response is to fight against the falsification of history and 
not
to take flight," he added.

Abbe Pierre had said he condemned any attempt to play down the 
"atrocious
reality" of Hitler's Jewish genocide but he would withdraw his support 
for
Garaudy only if his long-standing friend failed to admit "any mistake 
proven
against him."

The magazine said Abbe Pierre had written a long letter to Israeli Prime
Minister Shimon Peres from his Italian monastery. And Cardinal Lustiger,
archbishop of Paris, advised him to stay silent after the Garaudy affair, 
to
avoid stirring further rows.

The Roman Catholic priest plans to go to one of the religious Emmaus
communities at Zermatt, Switzerland, on June 1, where he will stay for 
three
weeks. Afterwards, he will return to the Praglia monastery near Padua.

"At my age, I do not exclude finishing my days in this place. But that is 
by
the grace of God," he said.

France 2 television reported that the priest told them by telephone he 
would
be back in France in September to attend a UNESCO conference.

Since he took up the plight of the homeless in the winter of 1953-54, 
Abbe
Pierre came to embody the conscience of the nation in his black beret, 
white
beard and simple robes.

Born Henri-Antoine Groues, the fifth child of a wealthy silk merchant, 
he
gave up a comfortable life to become a Franciscan monk. As a Resistance
chaplain during the Nazi occupation in World War II, he helped smuggle 
Jews
out of France.

The chain of homeless shelters he founded in 1949 now covers 32 
countries
and takes in 3,500 people in France alone.

In December 1994, his "holy anger" shamed the government when he led
squatters in an occupation of an empty apartment building in the chic 
Paris
district of Saint-Germain-des-Pres to demand homes for the homeless.

In the 1990s, newspaper readers regularly voted him one of France's two 
most
loved personalities, along with veteran underwater explorer Jacques
Cousteau.

-ANA-
******************************************************





From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 13:36:08 PDT 1996
Article: 74285 of talk.politics.mideast
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: BIG LIE exposed by rabbi
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Every day, as j*ws die of natural causes, we are smitten with finding 
that so many of those in the obituaries were previously listed as 
'holocaust victims'.  Too, we have learned that living 'eyewitnesses' 
have invented victims, from non-existant neighbors to listing their dogs 
as missing family members. This has caused, necessarily, increased 
interest in Revisionism, the movement to find the truth about the 
holocaust lies. Revisionism has already enlightened many, and led to an 
increase in anti-semitism as a backlash. Of course, those perpetrating 
the holocaust myth typically label anyone merely seeking the truth as 
hateful. 

But we now have the numero uno rebbi of Great Britain calling for honesty,
 revisionism and reaching across the abyss to repair damage caused by the 
holocaust lies.  Whether he is acting from frustration or from a desire 
to quell the rising tides of anti-semitism, only he can say. That rebbi, 
Dr. johnathan h. SACKS, in an open letter to the community, dated March 6,
 1996, "..called for  revising the 'Six million' figure of Jews killed 
during the  second world war."

He said that it was "important to find out how many people, presumed dead,
 are still alive."  He said it was far more important to unite families 
than to live with a FIGURE ARRIVED AT QUITE ARBITRARILY. . .  "

Will wonders never cease? It will be interesting to see the reaction and 
denials of those deeply involved in promoting the myth.




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 13:36:08 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: j*ws' idea of peace
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Date: Monday, 22-Apr-96 09:03 PM

From: Slayer


Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: kill Krauts...... are Palestinians next??
Date: 3 Jun 1996 13:19:01 GMT
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Date: Monday, 22-Apr-96 09:03 PM

From: Slayer


Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Rabbi admits 6,000,000 is a hoax
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Every day, as j*ws die of natural causes, we are smitten with finding 
that so many of those in the obituaries were previously listed as 
'holocaust victims'.  Too, we have learned that living 'eyewitnesses' 
have invented victims, from non-existant neighbors to listing their dogs 
as missing family members. This has caused, necessarily, increased 
interest in Revisionism, the movement to find the truth about the 
holocaust lies. Revisionism has already enlightened many, and led to an 
increase in anti-semitism as a backlash. Of course, those perpetrating 
the holocaust myth typically label anyone merely seeking the truth as 
hateful. 

But we now have the numero uno rebbi of Great Britain calling for honesty,
 revisionism and reaching across the abyss to repair damage caused by the 
holocaust lies.  Whether he is acting from frustration or from a desire 
to quell the rising tides of anti-semitism, only he can say. That rebbi, 
Dr. johnathan h. SACKS, in an open letter to the community, dated March 6,
 1996, "..called for  revising the 'Six million' figure of Jews killed 
during the  second world war."

He said that it was "important to find out how many people, presumed dead,
 are still alive."  He said it was far more important to unite families 
than to live with a FIGURE ARRIVED AT QUITE ARBITRARILY. . .  "

Will wonders never cease? It will be interesting to see the reaction and 
denials of those deeply involved in promoting the myth.




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 16:29:05 PDT 1996
Article: 55496 of alt.conspiracy
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Subject: Israel does this to Palestinians too
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Date: Monday, 22-Apr-96 09:03 PM

From: Slayer


Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun  3 16:29:07 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: j*ws' idea of peace [I wanna puke]
Date: 3 Jun 1996 12:49:29 GMT
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From: Slayer


Subject: theodore n. KAUFMAN....

This book was first published in 1941 and the New York Times called it: 
"A plan for permanent peace among civilzed Nations!" and Time Magazine 
called it "A Sensational Idea!"

Below are quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman's book  _Germany Must Perish_:

"The population of Germany, excluding conquered and annexed territories, 
is about 70,000,000, almost equally divided between male and female. To 
achieve the purpose of german extinction it would be necessary to only 
sterilize some 48,000,000-- a figure which excludes, because of their 
limited power to procreate, males over 60 years of age, and females over 
45." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 87 & 88)

"Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth 
rate in Germany. At the normal death rate of 2% per annum, German life 
will diminish at the rate of 1,500,000 yearly. Accordlingly, in the spam 
of two generations that which cost millions of lives and centuries of 
useless effort, namely, the elimination of Germanism and its carriers, 
will have been an accomplised fact. By virtue of its loss of self-
propetuation, Germany will have atrophied and German power reduced to 
negligible importance." (Theodore N. Kaufman, Germany Must Perish - Pages 
88 & 89)

Anyone want to defend the So-called j*ws?

"Mr. Morgenthau now stands convicted before the conscience of the world 
as an instigator of systematic annihilation of the German speaking people.
 The record further proves beyond any question of doubt, that these 
fanatical and reactionary high priests of hate and vengeance will never 
be able to defend their conspiracy before the bar of human reason and 
human decency." (Congresional Record, April 18, 1946 - U.S. Senator 
William Langer of N. Dakota)










From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Fri Jun  7 07:12:25 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: JEWS push Pierre out of France
Date: 3 Jun 1996 12:56:48 GMT
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Date: Wednesday, 29-May-96 04:54 PM

_Abbe Pierre flees France after Holocaust dispute_ (Reuter)

PARIS (May 29, 1996 3:23 p.m. EDT) - Abbe Pierre, an elderly priest
regularly voted France's most popular man, has left the country after a
dispute over his support for the author of a book which casts doubt on 
the
holocaust.

Abbe Pierre, 83, became embroiled in controversy last month when he 
backed
his friend, Roger Garaudy, whose book "The Founding Myths of Israeli
Politics," doubts the widely-accepted belief that the Nazis killed six
million Jews in World War II.

An advance copy of Pelerin Magazine, made available Wednesday, said the
Roman Catholic cleric has been living in a Benedictine monastery in Padua,

northern Italy, since the beginning of May.

"I have suffered a lot. A great deal. The attacks to which I have been
subjected have been endless," he told the magazine, which appears 
Thursday.

A French anti-racist group, the International League against Racism and
Anti-Semitism (LICRA), said it did not regret its decision expelling 
Abbe
Pierre after 20 years on its board for refusing to distance himself from
Garaudy.

"We hope that this Italian retreat will make him realise the enormous
mistake he made in supporting the revisionist theses of Roger Garaudy," 
said
Pierre Aidenbaum, LICRA President.

"If Abbe Pierre declares that he condemns all forms of revisionism, in
particular and unconditionally the Roger Garaudy book, we will be ready 
to
take him back," he added.

The leader of the Movement against Racism and for Friendship between 
Peoples
(MRAP), which had criticized Abbe Pierre, also called on him to 
acknowledge
his mistake.

"He fell into the trap of revisionism," said Aounit Mouloud, MRAP 
secretary
general. "This is a way of making us into the guilty party, which I 
don't
accept."

"The only response is to fight against the falsification of history and 
not
to take flight," he added.

Abbe Pierre had said he condemned any attempt to play down the 
"atrocious
reality" of Hitler's Jewish genocide but he would withdraw his support 
for
Garaudy only if his long-standing friend failed to admit "any mistake 
proven
against him."

The magazine said Abbe Pierre had written a long letter to Israeli Prime
Minister Shimon Peres from his Italian monastery. And Cardinal Lustiger,
archbishop of Paris, advised him to stay silent after the Garaudy affair, 
to
avoid stirring further rows.

The Roman Catholic priest plans to go to one of the religious Emmaus
communities at Zermatt, Switzerland, on June 1, where he will stay for 
three
weeks. Afterwards, he will return to the Praglia monastery near Padua.

"At my age, I do not exclude finishing my days in this place. But that is 
by
the grace of God," he said.

France 2 television reported that the priest told them by telephone he 
would
be back in France in September to attend a UNESCO conference.

Since he took up the plight of the homeless in the winter of 1953-54, 
Abbe
Pierre came to embody the conscience of the nation in his black beret, 
white
beard and simple robes.

Born Henri-Antoine Groues, the fifth child of a wealthy silk merchant, 
he
gave up a comfortable life to become a Franciscan monk. As a Resistance
chaplain during the Nazi occupation in World War II, he helped smuggle 
Jews
out of France.

The chain of homeless shelters he founded in 1949 now covers 32 
countries
and takes in 3,500 people in France alone.

In December 1994, his "holy anger" shamed the government when he led
squatters in an occupation of an empty apartment building in the chic 
Paris
district of Saint-Germain-des-Pres to demand homes for the homeless.

In the 1990s, newspaper readers regularly voted him one of France's two 
most
loved personalities, along with veteran underwater explorer Jacques
Cousteau.

-ANA-
******************************************************





From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Thu Jun 13 23:25:24 PDT 1996
Article: 42984 of alt.revisionism
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 960611: Adolf Hitler -- why doesn't everyone love him like we do?
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ezundel@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:
>
>The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism
>daily, unedited. The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent 
the
>views of the poster, who is not the author. See X-Headers for relevant
>URLs.
>
>June 11, 1996
>
>Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
>
>No word as yet from Ottawa.  Therefore, I am pulling one of my older 
ZGrams
>I keep in reserve for times such as these.  I wrote this quite some 
time
>ago, in part to clarify my thoughts:

Phony address. Phony hype. Is there no depths to which Nizkor won't sink 
to spread their filth?  Just goes to show ya'.

Sandra



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Thu Jun 13 23:25:25 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: "Adolf Hitler was the greatest man who ever walked this earth"
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   For people of my background, the Fuhrer was a tragic figure of
>   mythical historical proportions:  a man of great perception of the
>   nature of all evil who threw the finest of his kin against the
>   Antichrist in a futile and desperate war.
>
>And then she added this comment in June:
>
>   I still feel that way today.

Nizkor Nitwits seem to think this is a self-incriminating statement. They 
should well be forwarned that j*wish behavior towards mankind in general, 
and Blacks & Gentiles in particular leaves HUNDREDS of MILLIONS world-
wide feeling the same sympathies as Ingrid.

I predict the day coming in my lifetime when the figure of 6,000,000  
***WILL***  become a reality. 

Sandra



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 16 13:50:59 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: j*ws push Australian net censorship
Date: 16 Jun 1996 17:44:42 GMT
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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 01:04 PM

From: [FA]
Subject: Electronic Frontiers Australia Press Release - NSW legislation

INTERNET CENSORSHIP LEGISLATION LEAKED

Despite an uproar online and enquiries from the media, the NSW
Attorney-General's office has not yet released their draft Internet
censorship legislation.  A copy has, however, been leaked to Electronic
Frontiers Australia (Inc.).

"I was promised a copy of the draft legislation on Monday", said EFA's
Sydney spokesperson Danny Yee, "but on Tuesday was told it wasn't going 
to
be made available.  Having seen the leaked version, I am not surprised 
they
are unwilling to release it.  It confirms our worst fears about the
government's intentions."

The legislation derives from a consultation paper based on a 1994 report 
on
Bulletin Boards - a paper which has been widely criticised. Among other
weaknesses, it assumes that 'on-line services' are owned and controlled 
by a
single 'service provider'.  In the following quotes 'on-line service' 
has
been replaced by 'Internet'.

The legislation has two major parts.  The first makes it a crime to
'transmit objectionable (RC or X-rated) material on the Internet' or for 
'an
Internet service provider (ISP) to permit objectionable material to be
available for access or retrieval by users of the Internet.' The second
makes it illegal for a person to transmit or advertise material 
unsuitable
for minors to a minor, or for an ISP to 'permit material unsuitable for
minors to be available for access or retrieval by a minor using the
Internet' (with a reiteration for minors under 15 and MA rated material).


Danny Yee commented: "This may sound innocent, but there are some 
terrible
problems with it.  The legislation defines 'transmit' as 'send or 
receive',
so you could be in trouble if you accidentally click on a link to an
objectionable image or someone malicious sends you one by email.  I 
myself
send email to thousands of people a year whose ages I have no way of
checking: some of these messages would probably be rated MA or contain
pointers to MA rated material."

"This legislation would make it illegal to put MA rated material on a 
Web
page or to post it to a Usenet newsgroup or an open mailing list, since
there is no way to verify that the people who access these are not under 
15
-- we can say goodbye to discussion forums for drug users, victims of 
sexual
abuse, and perhaps even nursing mothers.  Banning material unsuitable 
for
minors so broadly is an extraordinary infringement of free speech: an
equivalent would be removing all MA rated material from libraries and 
making
it illegal to tell a dirty joke in a pub without checking that everyone
within earshot is of an appropriate age.  Such measures are also totally
ineffective, since less than 0.1% of the Internet's content resides on
computers inside NSW.  Genuine protection of children requires 
supervision
by parents and teachers assisted by software such as 'NetNanny' or
'SurfWatch' and the 'PICS' rating system.  Such schemes also respect the
rights of adults to read and see what they want."

The most worrying section of the draft legislation is a list of 
'reasonable
steps' it suggests an ISP take to reduce its liability. These include
'procedures (such as random checks of material available through the
Internet) conducted to monitor material being transmitted on the 
Internet'
and 'deleting material that users of the Internet have complained is
objectionable or unsuitable for minors'.

"For ISPs to monitor what their users send and receive would be a gross
violation of civil liberties: it is as if Telstra were to listen in on 
phone
calls.  Requiring ISPs to do on the spot rating of material at the whim 
of
anyone on the Internet is also completely unworkable.  ISPs simply can 
not
be made legally liable in any way for what their users do: they must be
given 'common carrier' status like Telstra and Optus."

A rally to protest against the proposed legislation is being held in 
Sydney
Hyde Park on Monday May 27th at 12 noon.  Participants will wear blue
ribbons as a symbol of free speech and will march on Parliament House at
1pm.







From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 16 14:09:21 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Will Hillary be able to bring Socks to prison?
Date: 16 Jun 1996 17:31:35 GMT
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Bob James  wrote:
>
>
>On 13 Jun 1996, Jim Frankl wrote:
>
>> When Hillary C. goes to prison later this year, will they allow
>> her to bring Socks the cat?  What are the rules about this?
>> 
>I thought you were not supposed to have Socks in prison.  or something 
>like that...
>
>Bob James

You are not allowed to bring your own pussy to prison!!!
Only condoms.

Luigi van C.



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 16 14:09:23 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Africans steal White land
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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 08:37 AM

White farmers challenge government land seizure in Zimbabwe_ (AP)

HARARE, Zimbabwe (May 30, 1996 11:23 p.m. EDT) -- Three white farmers 
whose
land is being seized for resettlement of black peasants argued Thursday 
they
are entitled to use the land until they receive fair compensation from 
the
government.

The three are among 4,500 white farmers, most of them descendants of 
British
settlers, who stand to lose 30 million acres -- or one-third of 
Zimbabwe's
land -- under the 1992 Land Acquisition Act.

President Robert Mugabe has claimed the act is a step to recover land 
stolen
>from  the indigenous population during colonization.

Critics, however, say farms taken over on the pretext they were needed 
to
resettle 700,000 peasant families have ended up being leased by the
government to influential politicians.

They also say the government has not set aside any money to build the 
roads
and other costly infrastructure needed to move families onto the land.

Arguing on behalf of the three farmers, attorney Adrian de Bourbon told 
a
five-judge panel Thursday that they are not challenging the state's right 
to
expropriate the land -- as long as there is fair compensation.

They also claim that by having the government simply designate their land 
as
seizable, they are robbed of legitimate use of the land until the state
completes compulsory purchase.

"Use of the farm is diminished to an extraordinary extent," de Bourbon 
said.
"What price is someone going to pay for a farm knowing that it is under 
the
hammer, knowing that at the whim of the government it can be acquired 
any
day?

"They often cannot even raise crops because they cannot raise mortgages 
from
the banks."

The judicial panel, made up of two whites, two blacks and one Asian, is
expected to take up to four months to consider the case. The panel is a
fierce upholder of judicial independence.

Mugabe, who has crafted a virtual one-party state, has threatened to 
ignore
any court decision blocking his redistribution plan.

"We will not tolerate any resistance," he said of the farmers' court
challenge. "Tell them we are irresistible."

Zimbabwe, formerly the British colony of Rhodesia, became independent 
under
Mugabe in 1980. The new government vowed to resettle 162,000 families in 
the
first decade, but only 66,850 have been moved so far.

Some 8 million peasants occupy one-third of Zimbabwe that is not owned 
by
white farmers. The rest of the land is unproductive, mountainous or in
nature preserves.

ANA






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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Austria leads censorship route
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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 01:04 PM

From: [FA]
Subject: Electronic Frontiers Australia Press Release - NSW legislation

INTERNET CENSORSHIP LEGISLATION LEAKED

Despite an uproar online and enquiries from the media, the NSW
Attorney-General's office has not yet released their draft Internet
censorship legislation.  A copy has, however, been leaked to Electronic
Frontiers Australia (Inc.).

"I was promised a copy of the draft legislation on Monday", said EFA's
Sydney spokesperson Danny Yee, "but on Tuesday was told it wasn't going 
to
be made available.  Having seen the leaked version, I am not surprised 
they
are unwilling to release it.  It confirms our worst fears about the
government's intentions."

The legislation derives from a consultation paper based on a 1994 report 
on
Bulletin Boards - a paper which has been widely criticised. Among other
weaknesses, it assumes that 'on-line services' are owned and controlled 
by a
single 'service provider'.  In the following quotes 'on-line service' 
has
been replaced by 'Internet'.

The legislation has two major parts.  The first makes it a crime to
'transmit objectionable (RC or X-rated) material on the Internet' or for 
'an
Internet service provider (ISP) to permit objectionable material to be
available for access or retrieval by users of the Internet.' The second
makes it illegal for a person to transmit or advertise material 
unsuitable
for minors to a minor, or for an ISP to 'permit material unsuitable for
minors to be available for access or retrieval by a minor using the
Internet' (with a reiteration for minors under 15 and MA rated material).


Danny Yee commented: "This may sound innocent, but there are some 
terrible
problems with it.  The legislation defines 'transmit' as 'send or 
receive',
so you could be in trouble if you accidentally click on a link to an
objectionable image or someone malicious sends you one by email.  I 
myself
send email to thousands of people a year whose ages I have no way of
checking: some of these messages would probably be rated MA or contain
pointers to MA rated material."

"This legislation would make it illegal to put MA rated material on a 
Web
page or to post it to a Usenet newsgroup or an open mailing list, since
there is no way to verify that the people who access these are not under 
15
-- we can say goodbye to discussion forums for drug users, victims of 
sexual
abuse, and perhaps even nursing mothers.  Banning material unsuitable 
for
minors so broadly is an extraordinary infringement of free speech: an
equivalent would be removing all MA rated material from libraries and 
making
it illegal to tell a dirty joke in a pub without checking that everyone
within earshot is of an appropriate age.  Such measures are also totally
ineffective, since less than 0.1% of the Internet's content resides on
computers inside NSW.  Genuine protection of children requires 
supervision
by parents and teachers assisted by software such as 'NetNanny' or
'SurfWatch' and the 'PICS' rating system.  Such schemes also respect the
rights of adults to read and see what they want."

The most worrying section of the draft legislation is a list of 
'reasonable
steps' it suggests an ISP take to reduce its liability. These include
'procedures (such as random checks of material available through the
Internet) conducted to monitor material being transmitted on the 
Internet'
and 'deleting material that users of the Internet have complained is
objectionable or unsuitable for minors'.

"For ISPs to monitor what their users send and receive would be a gross
violation of civil liberties: it is as if Telstra were to listen in on 
phone
calls.  Requiring ISPs to do on the spot rating of material at the whim 
of
anyone on the Internet is also completely unworkable.  ISPs simply can 
not
be made legally liable in any way for what their users do: they must be
given 'common carrier' status like Telstra and Optus."

A rally to protest against the proposed legislation is being held in 
Sydney
Hyde Park on Monday May 27th at 12 noon.  Participants will wear blue
ribbons as a symbol of free speech and will march on Parliament House at
1pm.







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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: j*ws push for Austrian Net censorship
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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 01:04 PM

From: [FA]
Subject: Electronic Frontiers Australia Press Release - NSW legislation

INTERNET CENSORSHIP LEGISLATION LEAKED

Despite an uproar online and enquiries from the media, the NSW
Attorney-General's office has not yet released their draft Internet
censorship legislation.  A copy has, however, been leaked to Electronic
Frontiers Australia (Inc.).

"I was promised a copy of the draft legislation on Monday", said EFA's
Sydney spokesperson Danny Yee, "but on Tuesday was told it wasn't going 
to
be made available.  Having seen the leaked version, I am not surprised 
they
are unwilling to release it.  It confirms our worst fears about the
government's intentions."

The legislation derives from a consultation paper based on a 1994 report 
on
Bulletin Boards - a paper which has been widely criticised. Among other
weaknesses, it assumes that 'on-line services' are owned and controlled 
by a
single 'service provider'.  In the following quotes 'on-line service' 
has
been replaced by 'Internet'.

The legislation has two major parts.  The first makes it a crime to
'transmit objectionable (RC or X-rated) material on the Internet' or for 
'an
Internet service provider (ISP) to permit objectionable material to be
available for access or retrieval by users of the Internet.' The second
makes it illegal for a person to transmit or advertise material 
unsuitable
for minors to a minor, or for an ISP to 'permit material unsuitable for
minors to be available for access or retrieval by a minor using the
Internet' (with a reiteration for minors under 15 and MA rated material).


Danny Yee commented: "This may sound innocent, but there are some 
terrible
problems with it.  The legislation defines 'transmit' as 'send or 
receive',
so you could be in trouble if you accidentally click on a link to an
objectionable image or someone malicious sends you one by email.  I 
myself
send email to thousands of people a year whose ages I have no way of
checking: some of these messages would probably be rated MA or contain
pointers to MA rated material."

"This legislation would make it illegal to put MA rated material on a 
Web
page or to post it to a Usenet newsgroup or an open mailing list, since
there is no way to verify that the people who access these are not under 
15
-- we can say goodbye to discussion forums for drug users, victims of 
sexual
abuse, and perhaps even nursing mothers.  Banning material unsuitable 
for
minors so broadly is an extraordinary infringement of free speech: an
equivalent would be removing all MA rated material from libraries and 
making
it illegal to tell a dirty joke in a pub without checking that everyone
within earshot is of an appropriate age.  Such measures are also totally
ineffective, since less than 0.1% of the Internet's content resides on
computers inside NSW.  Genuine protection of children requires 
supervision
by parents and teachers assisted by software such as 'NetNanny' or
'SurfWatch' and the 'PICS' rating system.  Such schemes also respect the
rights of adults to read and see what they want."

The most worrying section of the draft legislation is a list of 
'reasonable
steps' it suggests an ISP take to reduce its liability. These include
'procedures (such as random checks of material available through the
Internet) conducted to monitor material being transmitted on the 
Internet'
and 'deleting material that users of the Internet have complained is
objectionable or unsuitable for minors'.

"For ISPs to monitor what their users send and receive would be a gross
violation of civil liberties: it is as if Telstra were to listen in on 
phone
calls.  Requiring ISPs to do on the spot rating of material at the whim 
of
anyone on the Internet is also completely unworkable.  ISPs simply can 
not
be made legally liable in any way for what their users do: they must be
given 'common carrier' status like Telstra and Optus."

A rally to protest against the proposed legislation is being held in 
Sydney
Hyde Park on Monday May 27th at 12 noon.  Participants will wear blue
ribbons as a symbol of free speech and will march on Parliament House at
1pm.







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j*ws as judges:

Date: Monday, 27-May-96 11:39 AM

Subject: Cal App upholds injunction against workplace epithets

    A Cal Ct App has just upheld, over a 1st Am / prior restraint 
challenge,
an injunction that barred a manager (who had previously been found to 
have
engaged in racial harassment) from "using [in the workplace] any 
derogatory
racial or ethnic epithets directed at, or descriptive of, 
Hispanic/Latino
employees."  (The original injunction also applied outside the workplace,

but the court limited it to the workplace.)

    A few things worth noting:

    1.  The injunction was not limited to speech that was severe or
pervasive enough to create a hostile environment; even a single epithet
would be enough to violate it.

    2.  The injunction was not limited to statements that were made to, 
or
even in the hearing of, Hispanic employees.  The court specifically 
pointed
out that "Continual use of racist epithets posions the atmosphere of the
workplace, even when some of the invective is not directed at or even 
heard
by the victims.  If the Hispanic/Latino employees . . . know that 
Lawrence
is free to continue voicing his on-the-job racist epithets behind their
backs, it will remain a hostile place at which to work."

    3.  The court's justification was that the injunction wasn't
content-based, but only aimed at "secondary effects" and therefore 
"conduct"
-- harassing speech that's severe or pervasive enough to create a 
hostile
environment, the court said, has the "secondary effect" of creating a
hostile environment.  Therefore, the court argued, it wasn't protected 
by
the 1st Am under R.A.V., and an injunction in this area wasn't a prior
restraint.

    The court didn't discuss the fact that the injunction barred even 
speech
that wasn't severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile environment.

    4.  There was a fairly bitter dissent by one of the three judges.

    As you can tell from the above -- and as I'm sure you could have 
told
>from  my earlier comments on these matters -- I strongly disagree with 
the
court's argument.  The "secondary effects" point strikes me as 
especially
unsound.

    The court seems to be using "secondary effects" as a synonym for 
"harm
flowing from the speech," but surely it isn't the case that speech
restrictions based on (eminently reasonable) apprehension of harm 
flowing
>from  the speech are therefore ipso facto content-neutral and not subject 
to
the bar on prior restraints.  How does one distinguish this sort of
injunction from injunctions barring speech that interferes with a 
person's
prospective business advantage, injunctions barring speech that leads to
draft evasion, and so on?

    Incidentally, I continue to think that the distinction between prior
restraints and subsequent punishments doesn't make a lot of sense.  But
given that the notion of "prior restraint" is out there, isn't an 
injunction
barring the use of certain words clearly a prior restraint (whether
justified or not)?

                               
[FA]






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The j*ws' continued assaults on our freedom from internet censorship, 
under the guise of 'stopping pornography', but really to stop the open 
forum they consider anti-semetic, appears to be stifled for the time 
being in Germany:

Date: Wednesday, 22-May-96 05:28 PM

From: Ernst Zundel             \ Internet:    (ezundel@webcom.com)
*       Germany:

BONN, GERMANY, 1996 MAY 15 (NB) -- Possibly as a result of the current 
furor
surrounding sexually explicit images on the Internet in France, the 
German
government has announced that it does not intend to implement
Internet-specific legislation.

What is the reason for such a laid-back approach to the problem of
pornography and other files on the Internet? According to Juergen 
Ruettgers,
the popular German research and technology minister, the Internet 
service
provider (ISP) industry in Germany should be able to regulate its own
affairs, rather than rely on the government for stringent controls.

Interestingly, Ruettgers said that the government would not tolerate the
distribution of neo-Nazi propaganda, child pornography or other such
information in the Internet. He told journalists that such information
distribution is already outlawed under German law, so there is no need 
for
Internet-specific legislation.

Ruettgers admitted, however, that the current mood in the US surrounding 
the
Internet is such that the German government is under pressure to act on 
the
perceived problem. He also noted that the various state governments 
could
use the issue to strengthen their own legislation, and so damage the
expansion of the Internet in Germany.

According to Ruettgers, the best way to encourage the creation of new 
jobs
in the fledgling ISP industry in Germany is to leave it well alone as
regards regulation. Any legislation that is required, he said, could be
integrated fairly easily into the current crop of laws being introduced 
this
year in preparation for the open competition rules mandated by the 
European
Commission (EC) for January, 1998, introduction.

Ingrid [Ed]
Dr. Ingrid Rimland is an internationally known keynote
speaker and award-winning author of several books and hundreds of 
columns
and articles.  http://www.webcom.com/ina/




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Subject: FR**DMAN spoke out, part III
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In the days before the WJC and j*wish control of the media, conservative 
j*ws often spoke out against their fellow liberal conspirators. Even they 
too have now been silenced:
This is part 3 in the continuing series about little benny FREEDMAN:

Subject: Benjamin H. Freedman Speaks part 3

   In the meanwhile,  I  had  lived in Germany, and I knew that the 
Germans
had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is 
no
in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it Christian 
if
possi- ble. And they started to re-arm.

   In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The
Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that "Our 
turn
was going  to  come  soon,  unless  we  are strong." The same as we in 
this
country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are
strong." Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars  for  
defense.
 Defense against whom?  Defense  against  40,000  little Jews  in  
Moscow
that took over Russia, and  then  in  their  devious  ways,  took over
control of many onther countries of the world.

   For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from 
which
we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination.  I
know that  nuclear  bombs  are  measured  in terms of megatons. A megaton 
is
a term used to describe  one  million, tons  of TNT. Our nuclear bombs 
had a
capacity of  10  megatons,  or  10  million  tons  of TNT,  when  they  
were
 first  developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have 
a
capacity of 200 mega- tons, and God knows how many mega- tons the  
nuclear
bombs  of the Soviet Union have.

    What do we face now?  If we trigger a world  war that  may develop  
into
a nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It
will take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was world War I, 
Act
2 was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of the
world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined
that they are going to again use the United States to help them per-
manently retain Palestine as their fool- hold for their world government.

That is just as true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, 
but
many here have also read it, and it is known all over the world.

  What  are we going  to do? The  life you save may be your son's. Your 
boys
may be on their way to that war tonight; and you don't know it any more 
than
you  knew it in 1916  in London the Zionists  made a deal  with the 
British
War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that
time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted 
to
know it. Who knew it? President Wilison knew it. Colonel House knew it.
Other insiders knew it.

  Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was
liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign, when President
Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
"confidential man" to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chair- man of the
finance committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head 
of
the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President 
Wilson's
brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, 
and
I heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice 
Brandeis
and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand.
President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompe- tent when it came to
determining what was  going on  as  newborn baby.

   That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept. They 
sent
our boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have
Palastine as their "commonwealth." They've  fooled you so much that you
don't know whether you're coming or going.

   Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness 
who
you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony." I
don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that is the 
way a
judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie, disregard his
testimony.

   What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because 
they
are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself I refer to them as
so-called Jews, because  I  know what they are.) The eastern European 
Jews,
who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call
themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who
lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the
Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern  Europe.  They set up a 
large
Khazar  kingdom  of 800,000  square miles. At the time, Russia did not
exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom  was 
the
biggest country in all Europe-so big and so powerful that when the other
monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers.

That's how big and powerful they were.

    They  were  phallic  worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want 
to
go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was 
also
the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. 
The
Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that 
he
decided to adopt a  so-called  monotheistic  faith-either Christianity, 
lslam,  or  what  is  known today as Judaism, which is really Talmud- ism.

By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny,  meeny  miney,  moe," he 
picked
out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion: He sent down 
to
the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of
rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools,  and his  people became 
what
we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put 
a
toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament his- tory, but back in 
the
beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians 
and
ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You  

want  to  help  repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, 
their
ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of 
our
boys as your lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you 
kneel
and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews." But they are pagan Khazars who 
were
converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous 
to
call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to call the 54 
million
Chinese Moslems  "Arabs."    Mohammed  only died in 620 A.D., and since 
thcn
54 million Chinese have accepted lslam as their religious belief. Now
imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from  Mecca  and 
Mohammed's  birth- place. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to 
call
themselves "Arabs." You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who 
believes
that those 54 million Chi- nese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did 
was
adopt as a religious faith, a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in
Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became  Christians  nobody 

dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of
inhabitants. They hadn't become a different people. They were the same
people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

  These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a
Mon- goloid race who forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because 
their
king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the
same as in Spain: If the kingg was Catholic, everybody had to be a 
Catholic.
If not, you had to get out of Spain.  So the Khazars became what we call
today Jews. Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian 
countries
of the world to say, "We're going to use our power and prestige to
repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their 
Promised
Land." Could there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the
newspa- pers, the magazines, the radio, the tele- vision, the book
publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit 
and
the politicians  on the soapboxes talking the same language it is not 
too
surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if 
you
heard it often, enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore-you'd start 
to
call black white. And nobody could blame you.

   That is one of the great lies of histnry. It is the foundation of all 
the
misery that has befallen the world.

   Do you know what Jews do on the Day of  Atonement, that you think is 
so
sacred to  them? I was one of them. This is not hear say I'm not here to 
be
a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of 
Atonement,
you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that 
you
recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times 
a
short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an
agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may 
make
during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not 
be
an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. 
They
shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that when-

ever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you  are to remember the Kol 
Nidre
prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted 
from
fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can 
depend
upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916. We 
are
going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same 
reason.

[s]





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In the days before the WJC and j*wish control of the media, conservative 
j*ws often spoke out against their fellow liberal conspirators. Even they 
too have now been silenced:
This is part 3 in the continuing series about little benny FREEDMAN:

Subject: Benjamin H. Freedman Speaks part 3

   In the meanwhile,  I  had  lived in Germany, and I knew that the 
Germans
had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is 
no
in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it Christian 
if
possi- ble. And they started to re-arm.

   In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The
Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that "Our 
turn
was going  to  come  soon,  unless  we  are strong." The same as we in 
this
country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are
strong." Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars  for  
defense.
 Defense against whom?  Defense  against  40,000  little Jews  in  
Moscow
that took over Russia, and  then  in  their  devious  ways,  took over
control of many onther countries of the world.

   For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from 
which
we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination.  I
know that  nuclear  bombs  are  measured  in terms of megatons. A megaton 
is
a term used to describe  one  million, tons  of TNT. Our nuclear bombs 
had a
capacity of  10  megatons,  or  10  million  tons  of TNT,  when  they  
were
 first  developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have 
a
capacity of 200 mega- tons, and God knows how many mega- tons the  
nuclear
bombs  of the Soviet Union have.

    What do we face now?  If we trigger a world  war that  may develop  
into
a nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It
will take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was world War I, 
Act
2 was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of the
world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined
that they are going to again use the United States to help them per-
manently retain Palestine as their fool- hold for their world government.

That is just as true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, 
but
many here have also read it, and it is known all over the world.

  What  are we going  to do? The  life you save may be your son's. Your 
boys
may be on their way to that war tonight; and you don't know it any more 
than
you  knew it in 1916  in London the Zionists  made a deal  with the 
British
War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that
time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted 
to
know it. Who knew it? President Wilison knew it. Colonel House knew it.
Other insiders knew it.

  Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was
liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign, when President
Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
"confidential man" to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chair- man of the
finance committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head 
of
the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President 
Wilson's
brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, 
and
I heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice 
Brandeis
and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand.
President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompe- tent when it came to
determining what was  going on  as  newborn baby.

   That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept. They 
sent
our boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have
Palastine as their "commonwealth." They've  fooled you so much that you
don't know whether you're coming or going.

   Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness 
who
you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony." I
don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that is the 
way a
judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie, disregard his
testimony.

   What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because 
they
are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself I refer to them as
so-called Jews, because  I  know what they are.) The eastern European 
Jews,
who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call
themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who
lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the
Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern  Europe.  They set up a 
large
Khazar  kingdom  of 800,000  square miles. At the time, Russia did not
exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom  was 
the
biggest country in all Europe-so big and so powerful that when the other
monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers.

That's how big and powerful they were.

    They  were  phallic  worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want 
to
go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was 
also
the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. 
The
Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that 
he
decided to adopt a  so-called  monotheistic  faith-either Christianity, 
lslam,  or  what  is  known today as Judaism, which is really Talmud- ism.

By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny,  meeny  miney,  moe," he 
picked
out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion: He sent down 
to
the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of
rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools,  and his  people became 
what
we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put 
a
toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament his- tory, but back in 
the
beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians 
and
ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You  

want  to  help  repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, 
their
ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of 
our
boys as your lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you 
kneel
and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews." But they are pagan Khazars who 
were
converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous 
to
call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to call the 54 
million
Chinese Moslems  "Arabs."    Mohammed  only died in 620 A.D., and since 
thcn
54 million Chinese have accepted lslam as their religious belief. Now
imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from  Mecca  and 
Mohammed's  birth- place. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to 
call
themselves "Arabs." You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who 
believes
that those 54 million Chi- nese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did 
was
adopt as a religious faith, a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in
Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became  Christians  nobody 

dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of
inhabitants. They hadn't become a different people. They were the same
people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

  These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a
Mon- goloid race who forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because 
their
king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the
same as in Spain: If the kingg was Catholic, everybody had to be a 
Catholic.
If not, you had to get out of Spain.  So the Khazars became what we call
today Jews. Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian 
countries
of the world to say, "We're going to use our power and prestige to
repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their 
Promised
Land." Could there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the
newspa- pers, the magazines, the radio, the tele- vision, the book
publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit 
and
the politicians  on the soapboxes talking the same language it is not 
too
surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if 
you
heard it often, enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore-you'd start 
to
call black white. And nobody could blame you.

   That is one of the great lies of histnry. It is the foundation of all 
the
misery that has befallen the world.

   Do you know what Jews do on the Day of  Atonement, that you think is 
so
sacred to  them? I was one of them. This is not hear say I'm not here to 
be
a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of 
Atonement,
you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that 
you
recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times 
a
short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an
agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may 
make
during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not 
be
an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. 
They
shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that when-

ever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you  are to remember the Kol 
Nidre
prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted 
from
fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can 
depend
upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916. We 
are
going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same 
reason.

[s]





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[1] "...(entire USA) in hands of Israel.."-Ari Shawit
jdulaney@nntp.best.com
	Israeli columnist Ari Shavit claims "...the White House, the
Senate and much of the American media is in our (Israel's) hands...."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Following is an article from the June 13, 1996 edition of The Wanderer
that cries for wide distribution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In Our Hands" 
by Joseph Sobran

One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel
now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic
conspiracy theory.

The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis.  In an essay
reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit,
an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli
killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them
out of a certain naive hubris.  Believing with absolute certitude
that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our
own..."

In a single phrase  --  "in our hands" --  Shavit has lighted up the
American political landscape like a flash of lightning.

Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can
say publicly only at our own risk.  It's surprising, and refreshing,
to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was
reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz).

The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable
ally" of the United States,  despite Israel's long record of
double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of
American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The
word "ally" implies that the relationship exists because it's in the
interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly devoted
to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to suggest
otherwise.

You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after
all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much
of the American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. 
Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no
protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of
their homes in "retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel
(wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no
control.

Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance
of Israeli "defense."  Congress too is "in our hands."

A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's
power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies.  But there is one
enormous difference.  Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to
criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly
that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. 
They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.

But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a
more active sense:  They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in
the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli
"democracy" and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish
minorities  -- mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on
a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.

No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status
of Palestinians in Israel.  The idea is almost absurd.  Yet Americans
are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy
pretext that they are helping an "ally" in America's own
self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world.

All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than
for what it tells us about America.  Frank discussion of Israel is
permitted in Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates.  It's rarely
permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very
effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls
attention to his own government's --  and his own profession's   --
servitude to Israeli interests.

Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
affairs.  Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning
back his countrymen and his government from a morally and
politically perilous course.  At least he can hope.  It's harder for
us, when our own government isn't in our hands.

=========end==============
*****{{{{{{{{{*****************}}}}}}}}}*****
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Linda Muller Web Author lmuller@iquest.com
  Member Northern Alabama Kitchen Militia
 Use the Ballot Box - Not the Cartridge Box!
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
US Taxpayers Party Internet Headquarters
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"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it 
is
violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
					--- Arthur Schopenhauer

"A thousand years hence, perhaps in less, America may be what Europe is
now....  the noblest work of human wisdom, the grand scene of human glory,

the fair cause of freedom that rose and fell." 
					--- Thomas Paine




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alt.conspiracy
[1] "...(entire USA) in hands of Israel.."-Ari Shawit
jdulaney@nntp.best.com


	Israeli columnist Ari Shavit claims "...the White House, the
Senate and much of the American media is in our (Israel's) hands...."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Following is an article from the June 13, 1996 edition of The Wanderer
that cries for wide distribution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In Our Hands" 
by Joseph Sobran

One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel
now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic
conspiracy theory.

The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis.  In an essay
reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit,
an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli
killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them
out of a certain naive hubris.  Believing with absolute certitude
that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our
own..."

In a single phrase  --  "in our hands" --  Shavit has lighted up the
American political landscape like a flash of lightning.

Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can
say publicly only at our own risk.  It's surprising, and refreshing,
to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was
reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz).

The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable
ally" of the United States,  despite Israel's long record of
double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of
American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The
word "ally" implies that the relationship exists because it's in the
interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly devoted
to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to suggest
otherwise.

You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after
all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much
of the American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. 
Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no
protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of
their homes in "retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel
(wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no
control.

Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance
of Israeli "defense."  Congress too is "in our hands."

A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's
power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies.  But there is one
enormous difference.  Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to
criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly
that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. 
They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.

But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a
more active sense:  They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in
the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli
"democracy" and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish
minorities  -- mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on
a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.

No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status
of Palestinians in Israel.  The idea is almost absurd.  Yet Americans
are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy
pretext that they are helping an "ally" in America's own
self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world.

All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than
for what it tells us about America.  Frank discussion of Israel is
permitted in Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates.  It's rarely
permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very
effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls
attention to his own government's --  and his own profession's   --
servitude to Israeli interests.

Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
affairs.  Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning
back his countrymen and his government from a morally and
politically perilous course.  At least he can hope.  It's harder for
us, when our own government isn't in our hands.

=========end==============
*****{{{{{{{{{*****************}}}}}}}}}*****
    Un-Official News and Opinion from 
Linda Muller Web Author lmuller@iquest.com
  Member Northern Alabama Kitchen Militia
 Use the Ballot Box - Not the Cartridge Box!
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Pat Buchanan Internet Campaign Headquarters
     http://www.buchanan.org
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
US Taxpayers Party Internet Headquarters
     http://www.ustaxpayers.org
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
GO PAT....GO BRIGADES....GO USTP!!!!!!!!
*****{{{{{{{{{*****************}}}}}}}}}*****
For a Cutting Edge, Hard-Right Political WEB PAGE:
http://www.best.com/~jdulaney/politics.html
http://www.johnbirch.com/
http://www.tncnet.com/~rsears/jbs/resource.html

"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it 
is
violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
					--- Arthur Schopenhauer

"A thousand years hence, perhaps in less, America may be what Europe is
now....  the noblest work of human wisdom, the grand scene of human glory,

the fair cause of freedom that rose and fell." 
					--- Thomas Paine



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Subject: benny FR**dman spoke out, part III
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In the days before the WJC and j*wish control of the media, conservative 
j*ws often spoke out against their fellow liberal conspirators. Even they 
too have now been silenced:
This is part 3 in the continuing series about little benny FREEDMAN:

Subject: Benjamin H. Freedman Speaks part 3

   In the meanwhile,  I  had  lived in Germany, and I knew that the 
Germans
had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is 
no
in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it Christian 
if
possi- ble. And they started to re-arm.

   In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The
Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that "Our 
turn
was going  to  come  soon,  unless  we  are strong." The same as we in 
this
country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are
strong." Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars  for  
defense.
 Defense against whom?  Defense  against  40,000  little Jews  in  
Moscow
that took over Russia, and  then  in  their  devious  ways,  took over
control of many onther countries of the world.

   For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from 
which
we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination.  I
know that  nuclear  bombs  are  measured  in terms of megatons. A megaton 
is
a term used to describe  one  million, tons  of TNT. Our nuclear bombs 
had a
capacity of  10  megatons,  or  10  million  tons  of TNT,  when  they  
were
 first  developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have 
a
capacity of 200 mega- tons, and God knows how many mega- tons the  
nuclear
bombs  of the Soviet Union have.

    What do we face now?  If we trigger a world  war that  may develop  
into
a nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It
will take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was world War I, 
Act
2 was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of the
world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined
that they are going to again use the United States to help them per-
manently retain Palestine as their fool- hold for their world government.

That is just as true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, 
but
many here have also read it, and it is known all over the world.

  What  are we going  to do? The  life you save may be your son's. Your 
boys
may be on their way to that war tonight; and you don't know it any more 
than
you  knew it in 1916  in London the Zionists  made a deal  with the 
British
War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that
time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted 
to
know it. Who knew it? President Wilison knew it. Colonel House knew it.
Other insiders knew it.

  Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was
liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign, when President
Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
"confidential man" to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chair- man of the
finance committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head 
of
the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President 
Wilson's
brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, 
and
I heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice 
Brandeis
and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand.
President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompe- tent when it came to
determining what was  going on  as  newborn baby.

   That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept. They 
sent
our boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have
Palastine as their "commonwealth." They've  fooled you so much that you
don't know whether you're coming or going.

   Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness 
who
you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony." I
don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that is the 
way a
judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie, disregard his
testimony.

   What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because 
they
are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself I refer to them as
so-called Jews, because  I  know what they are.) The eastern European 
Jews,
who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call
themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who
lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the
Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern  Europe.  They set up a 
large
Khazar  kingdom  of 800,000  square miles. At the time, Russia did not
exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom  was 
the
biggest country in all Europe-so big and so powerful that when the other
monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers.

That's how big and powerful they were.

    They  were  phallic  worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want 
to
go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was 
also
the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. 
The
Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that 
he
decided to adopt a  so-called  monotheistic  faith-either Christianity, 
lslam,  or  what  is  known today as Judaism, which is really Talmud- ism.

By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny,  meeny  miney,  moe," he 
picked
out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion: He sent down 
to
the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of
rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools,  and his  people became 
what
we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put 
a
toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament his- tory, but back in 
the
beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians 
and
ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You  

want  to  help  repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, 
their
ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of 
our
boys as your lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you 
kneel
and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews." But they are pagan Khazars who 
were
converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous 
to
call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to call the 54 
million
Chinese Moslems  "Arabs."    Mohammed  only died in 620 A.D., and since 
thcn
54 million Chinese have accepted lslam as their religious belief. Now
imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from  Mecca  and 
Mohammed's  birth- place. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to 
call
themselves "Arabs." You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who 
believes
that those 54 million Chi- nese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did 
was
adopt as a religious faith, a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in
Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became  Christians  nobody 

dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of
inhabitants. They hadn't become a different people. They were the same
people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

  These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a
Mon- goloid race who forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because 
their
king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the
same as in Spain: If the kingg was Catholic, everybody had to be a 
Catholic.
If not, you had to get out of Spain.  So the Khazars became what we call
today Jews. Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian 
countries
of the world to say, "We're going to use our power and prestige to
repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their 
Promised
Land." Could there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the
newspa- pers, the magazines, the radio, the tele- vision, the book
publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit 
and
the politicians  on the soapboxes talking the same language it is not 
too
surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if 
you
heard it often, enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore-you'd start 
to
call black white. And nobody could blame you.

   That is one of the great lies of histnry. It is the foundation of all 
the
misery that has befallen the world.

   Do you know what Jews do on the Day of  Atonement, that you think is 
so
sacred to  them? I was one of them. This is not hear say I'm not here to 
be
a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of 
Atonement,
you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that 
you
recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times 
a
short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an
agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may 
make
during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not 
be
an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. 
They
shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that when-

ever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you  are to remember the Kol 
Nidre
prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted 
from
fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can 
depend
upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916. We 
are
going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same 
reason.

[s]





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[1] "...(entire USA) in hands of Israel.."-Ari Shawit
jdulaney@nntp.best.com


	Israeli columnist Ari Shavit claims "...the White House, the
Senate and much of the American media is in our (Israel's) hands...."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Following is an article from the June 13, 1996 edition of The Wanderer
that cries for wide distribution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In Our Hands" 
by Joseph Sobran

One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel
now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic
conspiracy theory.

The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis.  In an essay
reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit,
an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli
killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them
out of a certain naive hubris.  Believing with absolute certitude
that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our
own..."

In a single phrase  --  "in our hands" --  Shavit has lighted up the
American political landscape like a flash of lightning.

Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can
say publicly only at our own risk.  It's surprising, and refreshing,
to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was
reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz).

The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable
ally" of the United States,  despite Israel's long record of
double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of
American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The
word "ally" implies that the relationship exists because it's in the
interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly devoted
to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to suggest
otherwise.

You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after
all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much
of the American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. 
Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no
protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of
their homes in "retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel
(wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no
control.

Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance
of Israeli "defense."  Congress too is "in our hands."

A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's
power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies.  But there is one
enormous difference.  Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to
criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly
that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. 
They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.

But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a
more active sense:  They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in
the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli
"democracy" and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish
minorities  -- mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on
a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.

No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status
of Palestinians in Israel.  The idea is almost absurd.  Yet Americans
are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy
pretext that they are helping an "ally" in America's own
self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world.

All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than
for what it tells us about America.  Frank discussion of Israel is
permitted in Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates.  It's rarely
permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very
effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls
attention to his own government's --  and his own profession's   --
servitude to Israeli interests.

Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
affairs.  Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning
back his countrymen and his government from a morally and
politically perilous course.  At least he can hope.  It's harder for
us, when our own government isn't in our hands.

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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 16 21:23:35 PDT 1996
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In the days before the WJC and j*wish control of the media, conservative 
j*ws often spoke out against their fellow liberal conspirators. Even they 
too have now been silenced:
This is part 3 in the continuing series about little benny FREEDMAN:

Subject: Benjamin H. Freedman Speaks part 3

   In the meanwhile,  I  had  lived in Germany, and I knew that the 
Germans
had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is 
no
in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it Christian 
if
possi- ble. And they started to re-arm.

   In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The
Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that "Our 
turn
was going  to  come  soon,  unless  we  are strong." The same as we in 
this
country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are
strong." Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars  for  
defense.
 Defense against whom?  Defense  against  40,000  little Jews  in  
Moscow
that took over Russia, and  then  in  their  devious  ways,  took over
control of many onther countries of the world.

   For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from 
which
we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination.  I
know that  nuclear  bombs  are  measured  in terms of megatons. A megaton 
is
a term used to describe  one  million, tons  of TNT. Our nuclear bombs 
had a
capacity of  10  megatons,  or  10  million  tons  of TNT,  when  they  
were
 first  developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have 
a
capacity of 200 mega- tons, and God knows how many mega- tons the  
nuclear
bombs  of the Soviet Union have.

    What do we face now?  If we trigger a world  war that  may develop  
into
a nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It
will take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was world War I, 
Act
2 was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of the
world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined
that they are going to again use the United States to help them per-
manently retain Palestine as their fool- hold for their world government.

That is just as true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, 
but
many here have also read it, and it is known all over the world.

  What  are we going  to do? The  life you save may be your son's. Your 
boys
may be on their way to that war tonight; and you don't know it any more 
than
you  knew it in 1916  in London the Zionists  made a deal  with the 
British
War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that
time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted 
to
know it. Who knew it? President Wilison knew it. Colonel House knew it.
Other insiders knew it.

  Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was
liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign, when President
Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
"confidential man" to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chair- man of the
finance committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head 
of
the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President 
Wilson's
brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, 
and
I heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice 
Brandeis
and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand.
President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompe- tent when it came to
determining what was  going on  as  newborn baby.

   That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept. They 
sent
our boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have
Palastine as their "commonwealth." They've  fooled you so much that you
don't know whether you're coming or going.

   Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness 
who
you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony." I
don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that is the 
way a
judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie, disregard his
testimony.

   What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because 
they
are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself I refer to them as
so-called Jews, because  I  know what they are.) The eastern European 
Jews,
who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call
themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who
lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the
Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern  Europe.  They set up a 
large
Khazar  kingdom  of 800,000  square miles. At the time, Russia did not
exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom  was 
the
biggest country in all Europe-so big and so powerful that when the other
monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers.

That's how big and powerful they were.

    They  were  phallic  worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want 
to
go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was 
also
the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. 
The
Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that 
he
decided to adopt a  so-called  monotheistic  faith-either Christianity, 
lslam,  or  what  is  known today as Judaism, which is really Talmud- ism.

By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny,  meeny  miney,  moe," he 
picked
out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion: He sent down 
to
the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of
rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools,  and his  people became 
what
we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put 
a
toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament his- tory, but back in 
the
beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians 
and
ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You  

want  to  help  repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, 
their
ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of 
our
boys as your lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you 
kneel
and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews." But they are pagan Khazars who 
were
converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous 
to
call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to call the 54 
million
Chinese Moslems  "Arabs."    Mohammed  only died in 620 A.D., and since 
thcn
54 million Chinese have accepted lslam as their religious belief. Now
imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from  Mecca  and 
Mohammed's  birth- place. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to 
call
themselves "Arabs." You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who 
believes
that those 54 million Chi- nese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did 
was
adopt as a religious faith, a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in
Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became  Christians  nobody 

dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of
inhabitants. They hadn't become a different people. They were the same
people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

  These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a
Mon- goloid race who forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because 
their
king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the
same as in Spain: If the kingg was Catholic, everybody had to be a 
Catholic.
If not, you had to get out of Spain.  So the Khazars became what we call
today Jews. Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian 
countries
of the world to say, "We're going to use our power and prestige to
repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their 
Promised
Land." Could there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the
newspa- pers, the magazines, the radio, the tele- vision, the book
publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit 
and
the politicians  on the soapboxes talking the same language it is not 
too
surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if 
you
heard it often, enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore-you'd start 
to
call black white. And nobody could blame you.

   That is one of the great lies of histnry. It is the foundation of all 
the
misery that has befallen the world.

   Do you know what Jews do on the Day of  Atonement, that you think is 
so
sacred to  them? I was one of them. This is not hear say I'm not here to 
be
a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of 
Atonement,
you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that 
you
recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times 
a
short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an
agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may 
make
during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not 
be
an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. 
They
shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that when-

ever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you  are to remember the Kol 
Nidre
prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted 
from
fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can 
depend
upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916. We 
are
going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same 
reason.

[s]





From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 16 21:28:49 PDT 1996
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[1] "...(entire USA) in hands of Israel.."-Ari Shawit
jdulaney@nntp.best.com
	Israeli columnist Ari Shavit claims "...the White House, the
Senate and much of the American media is in our (Israel's) hands...."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Following is an article from the June 13, 1996 edition of The Wanderer
that cries for wide distribution.
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"In Our Hands" 
by Joseph Sobran

One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel
now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic
conspiracy theory.

The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis.  In an essay
reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit,
an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli
killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them
out of a certain naive hubris.  Believing with absolute certitude
that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our
own..."

In a single phrase  --  "in our hands" --  Shavit has lighted up the
American political landscape like a flash of lightning.

Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can
say publicly only at our own risk.  It's surprising, and refreshing,
to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was
reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz).

The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable
ally" of the United States,  despite Israel's long record of
double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of
American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The
word "ally" implies that the relationship exists because it's in the
interests of this country, though Israel's lobby is clearly devoted
to the interests of Israel itself, and it's childish to suggest
otherwise.

You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after
all. But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much
of the American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. 
Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no
protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of
their homes in "retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel
(wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no
control.

Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance
of Israeli "defense."  Congress too is "in our hands."

A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's
power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies.  But there is one
enormous difference.  Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to
criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly
that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country. 
They don't dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.

But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a
more active sense:  They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in
the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli
"democracy" and ignoring Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish
minorities  -- mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on
a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.

No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status
of Palestinians in Israel.  The idea is almost absurd.  Yet Americans
are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy
pretext that they are helping an "ally" in America's own
self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world.

All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than
for what it tells us about America.  Frank discussion of Israel is
permitted in Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates.  It's rarely
permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very
effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls
attention to his own government's --  and his own profession's   --
servitude to Israeli interests.

Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
affairs.  Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning
back his countrymen and his government from a morally and
politically perilous course.  At least he can hope.  It's harder for
us, when our own government isn't in our hands.

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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun 17 07:38:43 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: j*ws push German net censorship
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The j*ws' continued assaults on our freedom from internet censorship, 
under the guise of 'stopping pornography', but really to stop the open 
forum they consider anti-semetic, appears to be stifled for the time 
being in Germany:

Date: Wednesday, 22-May-96 05:28 PM

From: Ernst Zundel             \ Internet:    (ezundel@webcom.com)
*       Germany:

BONN, GERMANY, 1996 MAY 15 (NB) -- Possibly as a result of the current 
furor
surrounding sexually explicit images on the Internet in France, the 
German
government has announced that it does not intend to implement
Internet-specific legislation.

What is the reason for such a laid-back approach to the problem of
pornography and other files on the Internet? According to Juergen 
Ruettgers,
the popular German research and technology minister, the Internet 
service
provider (ISP) industry in Germany should be able to regulate its own
affairs, rather than rely on the government for stringent controls.

Interestingly, Ruettgers said that the government would not tolerate the
distribution of neo-Nazi propaganda, child pornography or other such
information in the Internet. He told journalists that such information
distribution is already outlawed under German law, so there is no need 
for
Internet-specific legislation.

Ruettgers admitted, however, that the current mood in the US surrounding 
the
Internet is such that the German government is under pressure to act on 
the
perceived problem. He also noted that the various state governments 
could
use the issue to strengthen their own legislation, and so damage the
expansion of the Internet in Germany.

According to Ruettgers, the best way to encourage the creation of new 
jobs
in the fledgling ISP industry in Germany is to leave it well alone as
regards regulation. Any legislation that is required, he said, could be
integrated fairly easily into the current crop of laws being introduced 
this
year in preparation for the open competition rules mandated by the 
European
Commission (EC) for January, 1998, introduction.

Ingrid [Ed]
Dr. Ingrid Rimland is an internationally known keynote
speaker and award-winning author of several books and hundreds of 
columns
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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun 17 07:38:44 PDT 1996
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j*ws as judges:

Date: Monday, 27-May-96 11:39 AM

Subject: Cal App upholds injunction against workplace epithets

    A Cal Ct App has just upheld, over a 1st Am / prior restraint 
challenge,
an injunction that barred a manager (who had previously been found to 
have
engaged in racial harassment) from "using [in the workplace] any 
derogatory
racial or ethnic epithets directed at, or descriptive of, 
Hispanic/Latino
employees."  (The original injunction also applied outside the workplace,

but the court limited it to the workplace.)

    A few things worth noting:

    1.  The injunction was not limited to speech that was severe or
pervasive enough to create a hostile environment; even a single epithet
would be enough to violate it.

    2.  The injunction was not limited to statements that were made to, 
or
even in the hearing of, Hispanic employees.  The court specifically 
pointed
out that "Continual use of racist epithets posions the atmosphere of the
workplace, even when some of the invective is not directed at or even 
heard
by the victims.  If the Hispanic/Latino employees . . . know that 
Lawrence
is free to continue voicing his on-the-job racist epithets behind their
backs, it will remain a hostile place at which to work."

    3.  The court's justification was that the injunction wasn't
content-based, but only aimed at "secondary effects" and therefore 
"conduct"
-- harassing speech that's severe or pervasive enough to create a 
hostile
environment, the court said, has the "secondary effect" of creating a
hostile environment.  Therefore, the court argued, it wasn't protected 
by
the 1st Am under R.A.V., and an injunction in this area wasn't a prior
restraint.

    The court didn't discuss the fact that the injunction barred even 
speech
that wasn't severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile environment.

    4.  There was a fairly bitter dissent by one of the three judges.

    As you can tell from the above -- and as I'm sure you could have 
told
>from  my earlier comments on these matters -- I strongly disagree with 
the
court's argument.  The "secondary effects" point strikes me as 
especially
unsound.

    The court seems to be using "secondary effects" as a synonym for 
"harm
flowing from the speech," but surely it isn't the case that speech
restrictions based on (eminently reasonable) apprehension of harm 
flowing
>from  the speech are therefore ipso facto content-neutral and not subject 
to
the bar on prior restraints.  How does one distinguish this sort of
injunction from injunctions barring speech that interferes with a 
person's
prospective business advantage, injunctions barring speech that leads to
draft evasion, and so on?

    Incidentally, I continue to think that the distinction between prior
restraints and subsequent punishments doesn't make a lot of sense.  But
given that the notion of "prior restraint" is out there, isn't an 
injunction
barring the use of certain words clearly a prior restraint (whether
justified or not)?

                               
[FA]






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>But the Zundels and Griswolds and Rev. Rons and the others who're 
turning a 
>penny off hate--that's a different story.  They would have something to 
lose 
>if they attracted Dees' attention.  So I don't think they'll take it 
>too kindly if you keep drawing attention to yourself and to them with 
your 
>threats.  And I don't think they're the types to content themselves with 
mere 
>expressions of righteous anger.  

This in & of itself is a threat. What you chickens who hide behind the 
law forget is that some of us react beyond the 'law'.


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alt.revisionism
[2] The Nizkor Web
kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
Yup. Nizkor.almanac.bc.ca is a simple 486 Dx25, connected via
28.8 Kb PPP link. It is barely able to keep up with the 700 to
900 daily visitors it gets now, and our stats 
(http://www.almanac.bc.ca/stats/) suggest that we have max'd our 
bandwidth.
Our German mirror site, 
ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/, was the first one,
but we assume that Mr. Schoedel doesn't know how to use such a
resource.
He may wish to continue until he retrieves
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/s/schoedel-ronald/
which is, after all, dedicated to his words and his words alone :-)
The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational 
Resource
    [Ftp] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl? 
    [Europe] ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/  
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......
unlearn

Ahhhhh, Nitzkor loves to post their web-links, and those of others. You 
do, conveniently, however, always omit the link to St. Johns Univ. which, 
in excruciating detail, defines the infection & contagion and genetic 
holocaust being spread by j*ws among the world's populations. Linkup to:

http://q.continuum.net/~wrosen.list.html

and read the scare of the century!


*****************************************************
It's a bird??  It's a plane!! NO...it's AAntiZion !!
Faster than a lent SHEKEL, Mightier than the SHATAR, HE leaps fat 
KARASAKS in a single bound..........



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun 17 16:29:08 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: Burn a few jews
Date: 17 Jun 1996 16:51:08 GMT
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>
>James l. ebbs wrote:
>> 
>> Why dont we instead of burning just the nigger churches put a few jews 
in
>> there, you kikes ought to be used to fire by now.


To spark additional trouble between Blacks & Whites, the j*w media 
contained the real statistics: between 1988 and 1994, there was a 
difference of only ONE in the number of Black Churches and WHITE churches 
burned in the Deep South [ABC Radio, NYC]. I was surprised to hear this 
on mickey mouse EISNER's 'airwaves against the Gentiles'. Must have 
slipped past his censors.

No Christian can tolerate the burning of any christian church. Since so 
many White Churches have been torched, the real culprit lies in a 
different woodpile, perhaps among the JDL zionist PIGS?

Sandra



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun 17 23:24:32 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: "Adolf Hitler was the greatest man who ever walked this earth"
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>
>EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber) wrote:
>
>>I predict the day coming in my lifetime when the figure of 6,000,000
>>***WILL***  become a reality.
>>
>>Sandra
>
>Open incitement to genocide...
>
>Nele

Watch my lips, "predict".

Learn to be objective.



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 should united Jewry
>again succeed in setting off a world war, then the blood sacrifice
>shall not be made only by the peoples driven into war, but then the
>Jew of Europe will have met his end....
> 
>But what should be done with the Jews? Can you believe that they will
>be accommodated in settlements in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told:
>why are you making all this trouble? We don't want them either, not in
>Ostland nor in the Reichskommissariat; liquidate them yourselves!

And not in the US of A.



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun 17 23:40:13 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: ---> Burned Black Churches: Phony Racist Diversion Tactics Abound <---
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 >I was listening to a talk show today and the President of the Chicago
>Black Churches Assoc. stated on the radio that blacks cannot be
 >racist. It is a word created by white people, and people who are being
 >discriminated against CANNOT be racist.  When someone said that if a
 >white person walked down a street of a black inner city neighborhood
 >and was attacked because of his skin color that is racism, the guy
 >said no, it was a reaction to the enviorment that has been created by
 >white people.

On the subject of Churches burning, what the liberal news hasn't told us, 
except for ABC radio, is that the number of White Churches burned in the 
same period is almost identical. In the period studied, ABC said 26 negro 
churches vs 25 White churches.

would seem to be a JDL conspiracy rather than one of White so-called 
racism.

Sharon@Hohenhausen.Guild



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>
>JACK M  writes:
> 
>>The German air force did a damn good job of training in Europe for
>>WWII. And if our people, stationed in Europe, train over there why 
>>can't they?
> 
>--
>What the freaking difference does it make if they train here or over 
there??
>Get on with your life, and stop looking for the boogie man.

The Luftwaffe did a pretty damn good job under the WWII circumstances. 
Maybe they can help us make the alleged 6,000,000 become a modern-day 
reality.

Sharon@Hohenhausen.Guild



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 02:03:07 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: j*ws & censorship_California
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j*ws as judges:

Date: Monday, 27-May-96 11:39 AM

Subject: Cal App upholds injunction against workplace epithets

    A Cal Ct App has just upheld, over a 1st Am / prior restraint 
challenge,
an injunction that barred a manager (who had previously been found to 
have
engaged in racial harassment) from "using [in the workplace] any 
derogatory
racial or ethnic epithets directed at, or descriptive of, 
Hispanic/Latino
employees."  (The original injunction also applied outside the workplace,

but the court limited it to the workplace.)

    A few things worth noting:

    1.  The injunction was not limited to speech that was severe or
pervasive enough to create a hostile environment; even a single epithet
would be enough to violate it.

    2.  The injunction was not limited to statements that were made to, 
or
even in the hearing of, Hispanic employees.  The court specifically 
pointed
out that "Continual use of racist epithets posions the atmosphere of the
workplace, even when some of the invective is not directed at or even 
heard
by the victims.  If the Hispanic/Latino employees . . . know that 
Lawrence
is free to continue voicing his on-the-job racist epithets behind their
backs, it will remain a hostile place at which to work."

    3.  The court's justification was that the injunction wasn't
content-based, but only aimed at "secondary effects" and therefore 
"conduct"
-- harassing speech that's severe or pervasive enough to create a 
hostile
environment, the court said, has the "secondary effect" of creating a
hostile environment.  Therefore, the court argued, it wasn't protected 
by
the 1st Am under R.A.V., and an injunction in this area wasn't a prior
restraint.

    The court didn't discuss the fact that the injunction barred even 
speech
that wasn't severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile environment.

    4.  There was a fairly bitter dissent by one of the three judges.

    As you can tell from the above -- and as I'm sure you could have 
told
>from  my earlier comments on these matters -- I strongly disagree with 
the
court's argument.  The "secondary effects" point strikes me as 
especially
unsound.

    The court seems to be using "secondary effects" as a synonym for 
"harm
flowing from the speech," but surely it isn't the case that speech
restrictions based on (eminently reasonable) apprehension of harm 
flowing
>from  the speech are therefore ipso facto content-neutral and not subject 
to
the bar on prior restraints.  How does one distinguish this sort of
injunction from injunctions barring speech that interferes with a 
person's
prospective business advantage, injunctions barring speech that leads to
draft evasion, and so on?

    Incidentally, I continue to think that the distinction between prior
restraints and subsequent punishments doesn't make a lot of sense.  But
given that the notion of "prior restraint" is out there, isn't an 
injunction
barring the use of certain words clearly a prior restraint (whether
justified or not)?

                               
[FA]






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Subject: j*ws & censorship_Germany
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The j*ws' continued assaults on our freedom from internet censorship, 
under the guise of 'stopping pornography', but really to stop the open 
forum they consider anti-semetic, appears to be stifled for the time 
being in Germany:

Date: Wednesday, 22-May-96 05:28 PM

From: Ernst Zundel             \ Internet:    (ezundel@webcom.com)
*       Germany:

BONN, GERMANY, 1996 MAY 15 (NB) -- Possibly as a result of the current 
furor
surrounding sexually explicit images on the Internet in France, the 
German
government has announced that it does not intend to implement
Internet-specific legislation.

What is the reason for such a laid-back approach to the problem of
pornography and other files on the Internet? According to Juergen 
Ruettgers,
the popular German research and technology minister, the Internet 
service
provider (ISP) industry in Germany should be able to regulate its own
affairs, rather than rely on the government for stringent controls.

Interestingly, Ruettgers said that the government would not tolerate the
distribution of neo-Nazi propaganda, child pornography or other such
information in the Internet. He told journalists that such information
distribution is already outlawed under German law, so there is no need 
for
Internet-specific legislation.

Ruettgers admitted, however, that the current mood in the US surrounding 
the
Internet is such that the German government is under pressure to act on 
the
perceived problem. He also noted that the various state governments 
could
use the issue to strengthen their own legislation, and so damage the
expansion of the Internet in Germany.

According to Ruettgers, the best way to encourage the creation of new 
jobs
in the fledgling ISP industry in Germany is to leave it well alone as
regards regulation. Any legislation that is required, he said, could be
integrated fairly easily into the current crop of laws being introduced 
this
year in preparation for the open competition rules mandated by the 
European
Commission (EC) for January, 1998, introduction.

Ingrid [Ed]
Dr. Ingrid Rimland is an internationally known keynote
speaker and award-winning author of several books and hundreds of 
columns
and articles.  http://www.webcom.com/ina/




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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: j*ws & censorship_Australia
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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 01:04 PM

From: [FA]
Subject: Electronic Frontiers Australia Press Release - NSW legislation

INTERNET CENSORSHIP LEGISLATION LEAKED

Despite an uproar online and enquiries from the media, the NSW
Attorney-General's office has not yet released their draft Internet
censorship legislation.  A copy has, however, been leaked to Electronic
Frontiers Australia (Inc.).

"I was promised a copy of the draft legislation on Monday", said EFA's
Sydney spokesperson Danny Yee, "but on Tuesday was told it wasn't going 
to
be made available.  Having seen the leaked version, I am not surprised 
they
are unwilling to release it.  It confirms our worst fears about the
government's intentions."

The legislation derives from a consultation paper based on a 1994 report 
on
Bulletin Boards - a paper which has been widely criticised. Among other
weaknesses, it assumes that 'on-line services' are owned and controlled 
by a
single 'service provider'.  In the following quotes 'on-line service' 
has
been replaced by 'Internet'.

The legislation has two major parts.  The first makes it a crime to
'transmit objectionable (RC or X-rated) material on the Internet' or for 
'an
Internet service provider (ISP) to permit objectionable material to be
available for access or retrieval by users of the Internet.' The second
makes it illegal for a person to transmit or advertise material 
unsuitable
for minors to a minor, or for an ISP to 'permit material unsuitable for
minors to be available for access or retrieval by a minor using the
Internet' (with a reiteration for minors under 15 and MA rated material).


Danny Yee commented: "This may sound innocent, but there are some 
terrible
problems with it.  The legislation defines 'transmit' as 'send or 
receive',
so you could be in trouble if you accidentally click on a link to an
objectionable image or someone malicious sends you one by email.  I 
myself
send email to thousands of people a year whose ages I have no way of
checking: some of these messages would probably be rated MA or contain
pointers to MA rated material."

"This legislation would make it illegal to put MA rated material on a 
Web
page or to post it to a Usenet newsgroup or an open mailing list, since
there is no way to verify that the people who access these are not under 
15
-- we can say goodbye to discussion forums for drug users, victims of 
sexual
abuse, and perhaps even nursing mothers.  Banning material unsuitable 
for
minors so broadly is an extraordinary infringement of free speech: an
equivalent would be removing all MA rated material from libraries and 
making
it illegal to tell a dirty joke in a pub without checking that everyone
within earshot is of an appropriate age.  Such measures are also totally
ineffective, since less than 0.1% of the Internet's content resides on
computers inside NSW.  Genuine protection of children requires 
supervision
by parents and teachers assisted by software such as 'NetNanny' or
'SurfWatch' and the 'PICS' rating system.  Such schemes also respect the
rights of adults to read and see what they want."

The most worrying section of the draft legislation is a list of 
'reasonable
steps' it suggests an ISP take to reduce its liability. These include
'procedures (such as random checks of material available through the
Internet) conducted to monitor material being transmitted on the 
Internet'
and 'deleting material that users of the Internet have complained is
objectionable or unsuitable for minors'.

"For ISPs to monitor what their users send and receive would be a gross
violation of civil liberties: it is as if Telstra were to listen in on 
phone
calls.  Requiring ISPs to do on the spot rating of material at the whim 
of
anyone on the Internet is also completely unworkable.  ISPs simply can 
not
be made legally liable in any way for what their users do: they must be
given 'common carrier' status like Telstra and Optus."

A rally to protest against the proposed legislation is being held in 
Sydney
Hyde Park on Monday May 27th at 12 noon.  Participants will wear blue
ribbons as a symbol of free speech and will march on Parliament House at
1pm.







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j*ws as judges:

Date: Monday, 27-May-96 11:39 AM

Subject: Cal App upholds injunction against workplace epithets

    A Cal Ct App has just upheld, over a 1st Am / prior restraint 
challenge,
an injunction that barred a manager (who had previously been found to 
have
engaged in racial harassment) from "using [in the workplace] any 
derogatory
racial or ethnic epithets directed at, or descriptive of, 
Hispanic/Latino
employees."  (The original injunction also applied outside the workplace,

but the court limited it to the workplace.)

    A few things worth noting:

    1.  The injunction was not limited to speech that was severe or
pervasive enough to create a hostile environment; even a single epithet
would be enough to violate it.

    2.  The injunction was not limited to statements that were made to, 
or
even in the hearing of, Hispanic employees.  The court specifically 
pointed
out that "Continual use of racist epithets posions the atmosphere of the
workplace, even when some of the invective is not directed at or even 
heard
by the victims.  If the Hispanic/Latino employees . . . know that 
Lawrence
is free to continue voicing his on-the-job racist epithets behind their
backs, it will remain a hostile place at which to work."

    3.  The court's justification was that the injunction wasn't
content-based, but only aimed at "secondary effects" and therefore 
"conduct"
-- harassing speech that's severe or pervasive enough to create a 
hostile
environment, the court said, has the "secondary effect" of creating a
hostile environment.  Therefore, the court argued, it wasn't protected 
by
the 1st Am under R.A.V., and an injunction in this area wasn't a prior
restraint.

    The court didn't discuss the fact that the injunction barred even 
speech
that wasn't severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile environment.

    4.  There was a fairly bitter dissent by one of the three judges.

    As you can tell from the above -- and as I'm sure you could have 
told
>from  my earlier comments on these matters -- I strongly disagree with 
the
court's argument.  The "secondary effects" point strikes me as 
especially
unsound.

    The court seems to be using "secondary effects" as a synonym for 
"harm
flowing from the speech," but surely it isn't the case that speech
restrictions based on (eminently reasonable) apprehension of harm 
flowing
>from  the speech are therefore ipso facto content-neutral and not subject 
to
the bar on prior restraints.  How does one distinguish this sort of
injunction from injunctions barring speech that interferes with a 
person's
prospective business advantage, injunctions barring speech that leads to
draft evasion, and so on?

    Incidentally, I continue to think that the distinction between prior
restraints and subsequent punishments doesn't make a lot of sense.  But
given that the notion of "prior restraint" is out there, isn't an 
injunction
barring the use of certain words clearly a prior restraint (whether
justified or not)?

                               
[FA]






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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 01:04 PM

From: [FA]
Subject: Electronic Frontiers Australia Press Release - NSW legislation

INTERNET CENSORSHIP LEGISLATION LEAKED

Despite an uproar online and enquiries from the media, the NSW
Attorney-General's office has not yet released their draft Internet
censorship legislation.  A copy has, however, been leaked to Electronic
Frontiers Australia (Inc.).

"I was promised a copy of the draft legislation on Monday", said EFA's
Sydney spokesperson Danny Yee, "but on Tuesday was told it wasn't going 
to
be made available.  Having seen the leaked version, I am not surprised 
they
are unwilling to release it.  It confirms our worst fears about the
government's intentions."

The legislation derives from a consultation paper based on a 1994 report 
on
Bulletin Boards - a paper which has been widely criticised. Among other
weaknesses, it assumes that 'on-line services' are owned and controlled 
by a
single 'service provider'.  In the following quotes 'on-line service' 
has
been replaced by 'Internet'.

The legislation has two major parts.  The first makes it a crime to
'transmit objectionable (RC or X-rated) material on the Internet' or for 
'an
Internet service provider (ISP) to permit objectionable material to be
available for access or retrieval by users of the Internet.' The second
makes it illegal for a person to transmit or advertise material 
unsuitable
for minors to a minor, or for an ISP to 'permit material unsuitable for
minors to be available for access or retrieval by a minor using the
Internet' (with a reiteration for minors under 15 and MA rated material).


Danny Yee commented: "This may sound innocent, but there are some 
terrible
problems with it.  The legislation defines 'transmit' as 'send or 
receive',
so you could be in trouble if you accidentally click on a link to an
objectionable image or someone malicious sends you one by email.  I 
myself
send email to thousands of people a year whose ages I have no way of
checking: some of these messages would probably be rated MA or contain
pointers to MA rated material."

"This legislation would make it illegal to put MA rated material on a 
Web
page or to post it to a Usenet newsgroup or an open mailing list, since
there is no way to verify that the people who access these are not under 
15
-- we can say goodbye to discussion forums for drug users, victims of 
sexual
abuse, and perhaps even nursing mothers.  Banning material unsuitable 
for
minors so broadly is an extraordinary infringement of free speech: an
equivalent would be removing all MA rated material from libraries and 
making
it illegal to tell a dirty joke in a pub without checking that everyone
within earshot is of an appropriate age.  Such measures are also totally
ineffective, since less than 0.1% of the Internet's content resides on
computers inside NSW.  Genuine protection of children requires 
supervision
by parents and teachers assisted by software such as 'NetNanny' or
'SurfWatch' and the 'PICS' rating system.  Such schemes also respect the
rights of adults to read and see what they want."

The most worrying section of the draft legislation is a list of 
'reasonable
steps' it suggests an ISP take to reduce its liability. These include
'procedures (such as random checks of material available through the
Internet) conducted to monitor material being transmitted on the 
Internet'
and 'deleting material that users of the Internet have complained is
objectionable or unsuitable for minors'.

"For ISPs to monitor what their users send and receive would be a gross
violation of civil liberties: it is as if Telstra were to listen in on 
phone
calls.  Requiring ISPs to do on the spot rating of material at the whim 
of
anyone on the Internet is also completely unworkable.  ISPs simply can 
not
be made legally liable in any way for what their users do: they must be
given 'common carrier' status like Telstra and Optus."

A rally to protest against the proposed legislation is being held in 
Sydney
Hyde Park on Monday May 27th at 12 noon.  Participants will wear blue
ribbons as a symbol of free speech and will march on Parliament House at
1pm.







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>>  Yes ISRAELI NAZISM is a reaity, unfortunatly Prime Minister 
>>Yitzthak Rabin was never brought to justice for war crimes he
>willingly 
>>did nothing to stop, NATO and the UN should feel shame that they
>allowed 
>>that fascist pig to stay in power. When you see and hear that the 
>>Israelis commited the
>>crimes then the Jewish state does not look as innocent as they try to 
>>lead us to believe

RABIN not only condoned the crimes against humanity, he PARTOOK of their 
commission. But is't OK, really! After all, the Talm*d says so.

Read on

[snip]The following post of is the followup on a report in the Chicago 
Sun Times, Aug 17, 1995.

Israeli soldiers killed thousands of Egyptian & Palestinian prisoners of 
war. The story shocked Israelis and was broken by retired Israeli general 
arye BIRO. He said he "didn't have enough soldiers to guard the prisoners.
"
The scandal goes to the top, implicating PM yitzak RABIN and politician 
rafael EITAN.  RABIN was chief of staff at the time of the bloody murders.
 War veteran michael BAR-ZOHAR corroborated the stories. He also said 
such killings occurred in ALL of Israel's wars. Historian aryeh YITZHAKI 
told the AP  Israel carried out mass killings in 1967 in which thousands 
of prisoners were killed in the Sinai.

Historian uri MILSTEIN said many incidents involved soldiers murdered 
after surrender and with their hands still in the air.. MILSTEIN is a 
member of the NY Academy of Sciences.



So I ask you, then, what was so different about the holocaust, huh??




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A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United 
>   Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;

A perfect example of lies by McFlea. Magnetic tape media were not 
invented prior to the fifties. In fact, the 'plastics' which enabled 
manufacture of 'tape' were a product of the fifties.

To be fair, 'wire' recorders had been invented, but there were VERY FEW 
around, being used primarily by radio stations. And , of  course, movie 
film [wrong media for magnetic tape'] was in existance, but used early 
laser (light) technology. Some thick films were used to record, but used 
'physical bump' technology, much as a record player (remember the old 
Dictaphones?).

Sorry to disilusion you, McFlea.

Sandra



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>>
>Why Mr. Mathis, I am shocked, SHOCKED that 'Doc' Whitaker has not jumped 
on
>this remark of yours to denounce PC career wreckers.  Along with the
>parallel interest in reducing Jews to ashes, Mr. Ebbs is evidently 
quite
>the avant-garde white separatist. 

Baby andy MATHIS is the worse kind of j*w, a false j*w, and a chicken-
shit turd to boot. He is a Zionist. Nothing more need be said.

Sandra



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>
>>Neil
>>telnetting from McGill University
>>http://u.arizona.edu/~neilends
>>Montreal, Quebec

Greeting to my friends at Mc Gill.

Say hello to Dr. Zucci.

Sandra



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>Actually, it's http://q.continuum.net/~wrosen/list.html, which talks 
about
>Gaucher disease, a genetic illness that primarily affects Ashkenazi Jews.



Ahhhhh, learn to use the browser. the links expand and the lists progress 
to reveal a multitude of infections prevalent to j*ws and those who would 
have sex with them. Included, of course, are the genetic mutations which 
j*ws are blessed with for fornicating with their mothers & sisters. 

Read on, right from the good j*w doctor's lips:

The following diseases are thought to occur at an increased frequency  
among Jewish populations:

Tay-Sachs Disease
Gaucher Disease
Essential Pentosuria
Familial Dysautonomia
Factor XI Deficiency
Canavan Disease
Torsion Dystonia
Abetalipoproteinemia
Bloom's Syndrome
Niemann-Pick (A+B) Disease
Cohen's Syndrome
Cystic Fibrosis
B-thalassemia
Bronchiectasis
Mucolipidosis IV

Gauchers being the most prevalent.


Have a nice day <:)
and don't forget the immortal words of the Rev Louis Farrakhan 
referencing j*ws destruction of the Blacks by inventing AIDS. Could the 
mad judenrats be out of control?

Sandra



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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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>>
>>
>But Reverend, how do you feel about Mr. Ebbs proposal to place Jews in
>black churches before burning them down, which is what this thread is
>about?
>
>Don't such proposals fill you with the urge to make a joyful noise unto 
der
>Fuehrer?

An excellent idea, whose time has come. Why? Because there are as many 
White churches burned as Black. Only one media reported this FACT, ABC 
Radio, NYC. This leads to the next question: if both are being burned, 
WHO, then, is doing the burning. The logical answer becomes: someone who 
wants the Blacks & Whites to be at odds with each other, namely the 
jooooish defense league [JDL].

Sandra

P.S. I will post more on this later today under the subject heading 
j*wish arson.



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"Jose Arnel C. Rimando"  wrote:

>qd@news-e2c.gnn.com>
>
>CAN'T YOU JUST FEEL THE BROTHERLY-LOVE AND CHRISTIAN-CARING COMING
>FROM HIM??
>
>Garth34@gnn.com wrote:
>
>>To all who question: DID JESUS MASTURBATE???  You are all sick 
>>individuals and when your judgment comes, God's going to send you 
>>stright to hell. 

Personally, I think his mama masturbated dried pig skins, after all, 
that's where jooooooooos came from.

Anyway, if the Talm*d can proclaim the execution of Gentiles as a way of 
life, I suppose Jesus can have overseen the years 1936 through 1945 in 
Germany.   <:)

Sandra



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Date: Tuesday, 18-Jun-96 11:56 PM

Subject: Holy Smoke 

[submitted by talk-show host James Floyd]

JAMES FLOYD on fire for the Lord:

"On fire for the Lord" is a term that took on a very different meaning 
for 
Deacon Shawn Ragan a few years back.  The Manor Baptist Church of San 
Leandro, California was far from being 'luke warm' as smoke poured from 
the
 offices and library.  Police and fire investigators smelled both 
kerosene 
and gasoline - the racist graffiti clinched it, "what we have here is a 
hate
 crime," said Police Lt. James O'Meara.

'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if 
it
were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic.' Carroll 
>from  Four Riddles

Almost immediately, attention shifted to Brother Shawn, 30, former 
principal
 of the church school and treasurer.  Bro. Ragan stood accused of 
embezzling
 20,000 dollars of the Lord's money.

"I sprayed the graffiti to make them think the arson was racially-
motivated," said the deacon.

"Part of (Ragan's) motive was emotional" said the understanding Police Lt.

ref: Crying Wolf, Laird Wilcox pg. 58

                IF YOU BURN A CHURCH TELL RABBI SOLOMAN KRUPKA
                                     (your secret is safe with Sol)
August, 1983, West Hartford, Connecticut, fires were set at Young Israel 

Synagogue, the Emmanual, and the home of Rabbi Soloman Krupka.In 
September,
 the home of Connecticut State Representative Joan Kemler, who is J-wish,

was  set on fire.  Kemler had spoken out against the unknown perpetrator 
of
the  three previous fires.  "Night of Broken Glass, the Holocaust,
revisited, I  thought this would never happen again," said a white-
haired
Holocaust  survivor. And JDL armed terrorists patrolled  the streets of 
West
Hartford. The press and legislators demanded proposals to curb "bigotry 
and
violence." 

"Contrariwise, but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic."

Barry Dov Schuss, a 17 year old J-wish student confessed to all four 
arsons.
 In fact, Schuss had confessed to Rabbi Krupka days before he told the 
truth
 to the police.
                                       
                                       AND THE WINNERS ARE
The sad truth is that we are confused about who are the victims and who 
are
 the beneficiaries. The skillet-licking preachers, professional-whiners 
and
 'witch-hunters' are winners. The losers are the dearest of our people - 

bluehaired old ladies that love God and weep at the destruction.   

I'm James Floyd and I got a hundred of 'um; before you pack your suitcase 

for a guilt-trip call me.


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Be  wrote:
>
>In <4pg2qh$8ol@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt 
Giwer) writes:
>
>! 	That is mixing researched to some extent works with the off hand
>! posts of amateur holohuggers as though there were no difference.
>! Certianly an ego boost but of no merit.  
>
>
>Yes, where are the REAL historians, you know, the ones who CARE.

There are bonafide, credible, accredited Historians who care; among them  
Paul Johnson and IRVING. They bring truth amidst j*wish anarchy, and do 
it with flair.

Sandra



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>
>" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
>entrances to the four-story
>house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
>the same people were
>forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
>had to be transferred to one
>place in the courtyard. "
>IMT VII - p.491. 

Always whining, whining, whining.

It's a dirty job, but SOMEONE's got to do it.



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>
>What the Huber-bot "forgets" to mention is that after 1994 there was a 
>sharp increase in the burning of black churches but no change in the 
>incidence of white churches being burned.  


The actual statistics are purely for thought only, since all statistics 
can be re-configured [numeric juggling].

What IS important is the social juggling. The j*w media WANTS everyone to 
believe the Church burnings are being committed by Whites.

Sandra



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mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>I keep reading this phrase. There never is any proof offered to
>support this claim or at the very least what the Jewish Media is and
>who is running it.

>What makes ABC Jewish?

ABC/Capital Cities was just purchased by Disney, run by mickey EISNER, 
pal of SPIELBERG and BRONFMAN, leaders in the Talm*d's 'kill the 
Gentiles' mentality. His first official act was to fire Bob Grant, talk 
show host emeritous.
His second official act was to upgrade washer-woman (she really was!), 
lynn SAMUELS. Will wonders never cease?

>What makes you so sure? It could be a band of atheist fire-bugs who
>finally snapped. 

Of course it could be. But do you really believe athiests are abundant 
enough and organized enough to pull it off?? What would be their REAL 
incentive?

No, the only one with something to gain are the Zi*nist PIGS.

Sandra




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>
>	Do I have to tell you where to find the Auschwitz FAQ also?  Use your
>search engine.  


The nitzkor search engine probably puts out as much flattus gas as it 
does CO. Tomorrow we can take pictures of ti and call it a gas chamber.

Sandra



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 When the air could be breathed again, the
>doors were opened, and the
>Jewish workers removed the bodies. By means of a special procedure...
>they were burned in the
>open air without the use of fuel. "
>	More Nazi physics at work. 
	I am certain our favorite chemist can explain this one.
	On the other hand, why did they ever need any crematoria if they could
do this?


Notice the phrase 'special procedure'. When a j*w can't explain the 
absurd, up-commeth special procedure. It's a trade secret, used by Israel 
to this day to sere the Palestinians {Pat Pend # Zion327614]. Something 
like McDonald's special Sauce.

Sandra



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>>>Open incitement to genocide...
>>>
>>>Nele
>
>>Watch my lips, "predict".
>
>>Learn to be objective.
>
>	But he feels so incited. 

Yes, Matt, he's so excited. Probably masterbating in front of pictures of 
holocaust victims.



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Date: Tuesday, 18-Jun-96 11:56 PM

Subject: Holy Smoke, your secret is safe with SOL 

[submitted by talk-show host James Floyd]

JAMES FLOYD on fire for the Lord:

"On fire for the Lord" is a term that took on a very different meaning 
for 
Deacon Shawn Ragan a few years back.  The Manor Baptist Church of San 
Leandro, California was far from being 'luke warm' as smoke poured from 
the
offices and library.  Police and fire investigators smelled both kerosene 

and gasoline - the racist graffiti clinched it, "what we have here is a 
hate
crime," said Police Lt. James O'Meara.

'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if 
it
were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic.' Carroll 
>from  Four Riddles

Almost immediately, attention shifted to Brother Shawn, 30, former 
principal
 of the church school and treasurer.  Bro. Ragan stood accused of 
embezzling
 20,000 dollars of the Lord's money.

"I sprayed the graffiti to make them think the arson was racially-
motivated," said the deacon.

"Part of (Ragan's) motive was emotional" said the understanding Police Lt.

ref: Crying Wolf, Laird Wilcox pg. 58

                IF YOU BURN A CHURCH TELL RABBI SOLOMAN KRUPKA
                                     (your secret is safe with Sol)
August, 1983, West Hartford, Connecticut, fires were set at Young Israel 

Synagogue, the Emmanual, and the home of Rabbi Soloman Krupka.In 
September,
 the home of Connecticut State Representative Joan Kemler, who is J-wish,

was  set on fire.  Kemler had spoken out against the unknown perpetrator 
of
the  three previous fires.  "Night of Broken Glass, the Holocaust,
revisited, I  thought this would never happen again," said a white-
haired
Holocaust  survivor. And JDL armed terrorists patrolled  the streets of 
West
Hartford. The press and legislators demanded proposals to curb "bigotry 
and
violence." 

"Contrariwise, but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic."

Barry Dov Schuss, a 17 year old J-wish student confessed to all four 
arsons.
 In fact, Schuss had confessed to Rabbi Krupka days before he told the 
truth
 to the police.
                                       
                                       AND THE WINNERS ARE
The sad truth is that we are confused about who are the victims and who 
are
 the beneficiaries. The skillet-licking preachers, professional-whiners 
and
 'witch-hunters' are winners. The losers are the dearest of our people - 

bluehaired old ladies that love God and weep at the destruction.   

I'm James Floyd and I got a hundred of 'um; before you pack your suitcase 

for a guilt-trip call me.
******************************************************************

Subject: benny nutanyahoo takes israel's reins

06/19/96
Even as benny nutanyahoo, israel's new PM, chaired his first Cabinet 
meeting today, there were fewer assurances than before the election that 
he would abied by the citizens' will to continue the peace process with 
Arab neighbors. There were no moves to reassure Arab leaders, nor to 
continue the previous govt's commitment to withdraw from the West Bank 
city of Hebron. And the new national security council is now headed by 
former air force chief david IVRI, himself a questionable character, a 
selection which seems to permeate the yahoo regime. Cabinet secty' danny 
NAVEH refused personal comment and said the issue of troop withdrawal 
would be decided by yahoo and his closest advisors. This sounds like 
danny is not one of them!

Palestinians are afraid yahoo will maintain troops in Hebron, a hard-line 
promoted by yahoo prior to the election, and a violation of israeli's 
prior commitment. Israel has traditionally given only lip service ot 
peace, making promises on one hand, but continuing to do as she damn well 
pleases, especially in the area of j*wish settlement construction. The 
settlements show her arrogance, an attitude of 'if we build enough j*wish 
housing out there, no one can move us' while simultaneously bulldozing 
houses belonging to families of 'suspected' terrorists. The way we see it,
 the only terrorists are the settlers, who are heavily armed and 
routinely execute  Arab citizens of the West Bank.

Foreign Minister david LEVY warned Arabs not to prejudge yahoo's govt' 
"before we sit down and talk." But who can trust the israelis when prior 
talks have been a run-around for the Palestinians? It all seems to be a 
waiting game for the Arabs , while the j*ws utilize the time to expand 
their settlements. 

Meanwhile, there is grumbling among Army and intelligence community 
people who no longer trust IVRI in his association with benny yahoo, and 
who are facing lower prestige and lessened influence in political affairs.


Outgoing Peres, who held office since the execution of RABIN six months 
ago, said , "israel is near the top of the mountain, but there are mines 
on the way to the peak." We can only hope that evil benny steps on one of 
those mines.

Sandra@HohenHausen.Guild
***************************************************************
Subject: Australian CLU challenges Canada on Talm*d

Date: Monday, 03-Jun-96 03:22 PM

Submitted by Ingrid Rimland [noted author]

Remember some time ago I mentioned in a previous ZGram that Canada 
Customs
had seized a copy of "The Jefferson Bible" as "hate literature"?  This 
book
was sent to Ernst Zundel (along with other literature ordered from the
Institute for Historical Review) because Ernst wanted to restock his
library, torched to the howls of the mob and dances of the hora in the
streets and sidewalks of Toronto.

Where there is force applied-such as the seizing of writings deemed
"hateful" and "inciting violence" protecting certain ethnic groups at 
the
expense of others-there will be counter-force resisting it.  Some of it, 
we
are happy to report, comes from a notable source in Australia, the
Australian Civil Liberties Union.

In the Adelaide Institute's April 1996 issue, I found the following 
letter,
worthy of sharing with both our friends and foes alike.  The letter 
pertains
to a book that I happen to have read (written by Nigel Jackson - The 
Case
for David Irving) that chastizes the beholden powers of the Government 
of
Australia for banning David Irving's books.

Irving, as many people know, is one of Europe's foremost historical 
authors
who writes in the popular vein.  He is also, thanks to the Second (1988)
Great Holocaust Zundel trial, at which he saw the light about the so-
called
"Holocaust", an outspoken Revisionist.

As many of us know, David Irving's books have been banned from Canada-as
Irving has, in person, not for what he has said, but for what he MIGHT
say-and someone by the name of Geoffrey Muirden, Secretary of the 
Australian
Civil Liberties Union, came up with the following as a challenge to 
Revenue
Canada:

Joel A. Olver
Director, Prohibited Importations,
Revenue Canada,
Customs, Excise and Taxation
Ottawa, Canada K1A )L5

27th December 1995

Dear Mr. Oliver:

Thank you for your letter dated 16 November 1995, in which you inform me
that Nigel Jackson's book, The Case for David Irving, is defined as 
"hate
propaganda" in the Criminal Code.

Since you are so disturbed about "hate propaganda", I enclose details of 
the
Jewish Talmud, which has been distributing hate against the "goyim" 
(itself
 a hateful term, since it means "human cattle", the Jews only permitting
themselves to be fully human).

Enclosed are summaries of the hateful comments about Christ, Christians 
and
Christianity, which would, of course, make it liable as hate propaganda.

I draw your attention, for example, to the hate mongering and 
blasphemous
reference to Christ as the illegitimate son of a liaison of intercourse
between His mother, Mary, and Pandira, a Roman soldier.  Christ is also
called a "fool" who "corrupts his morals and dishonours himelf" and 
"died
like a beast and is buried in an animal's dirt heap".

This is hateful enough, but it doesn't stop there.  I've underlined some 
of
the most hateful expressions in the Talmud.

Hateful references to Christians as "idolaters", Christians "have sex 
with
animals", Jews are "innocent of murder if intended to kill a Christian".
This is of course an incitement to murder.  Christians idoleters likened 
to
cows and asses;  Christians are like unclean beasts;  non-Jews' souls go
straight to hell.  Jews can lie and perjure to condemn a Christian;  name 
of
God not profaned when lying to Christians;  and Jews can perjure 
themselves
with a clear conscience.  The last is, of course, an incitement to lie 
and
cheat.

I feel sure you will be disgusted with this "hate propaganda" and please 
let
me know how many raids you make on Jewish synagogues in Canada to seize 
the
hateful Talmud and destroy it-also, of course, arresting rabbis who 
dispense
this filth.

It can only be a lack of understanding of this hate propaganda in the 
midst
of Canadians that has hindered your actions against this in the past.  
Now
(that) you have been advised, please keep me informed of actions against
Jews dispensing the Talmud, reading this filth at synagogues, which will
have to be invaded to take away copies of this corrupting literature.

I await details of your moral crusade with great interest.

Yours faithfully,

Geoff. Muirden, Secretary, Australian Civil Liberties Union, P.O. Box 
1137,
Carlton, Victoria 3053, Australia.

(End of letter)

As with so many other good ideas that come across the ZGRam desk, I like
this one and wish that we would make a test case.  Instead of spending 
so
much money, time and energy on saying WE are innocent of indiscriminate
hate, we ought to turn the tables and ask if those who cash in on 
artificial
guilt by calling us "hate mongers" are innocent of hate mongering
themselves.

However, Ernst tells me that in each province in Canada, the provincial
Attorney General must give his consent before a "hate prosecution" is
started.  "So far," says Ernst, "every attempt that I know of has been
thwarted by those "gate-keepers" at th ATO.  Also, the hate law
specificially excludes religious expression from prosecution.  Muirden's
letter is nice, but won't move Canada Customs one bit."

Ingrid
******************************************************

Date: Monday, 03-Jun-96 09:37 AM

From: Anton                    \ Internet:    (anton88@darius.cris.com)

Subject: _Woman Sues Over Letter About Holocaust Museum_ (ANA)

Debra Coleman Warner, a Louisiana woman who lost a parish council runoff
election, is suing the school board because a letter she wrote asking 
that
her son be excused from a field trip to the Holocaust Museum was leaked 
to a
newspaper.  Warner wrote a letter in 1992 that said "allegations 
regarding
treatment of jews during the war years have been grossly exaggerated" 
and
said she did not want her son exposed to such "propaganda."  She lost 
the
elections last November and is suing for unspecified damages for herself 
and
her son.  Two days before the runoff election the _Times-Picayune_ 
printed
excerpts of the letter and two days later published an article about
Warner's ties to the "White supremacist" New Christian Crusade Church.
****************************************************


















 





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Date: Tuesday, 18-Jun-96 11:56 PM

Subject: Holy Smoke, your secret is safe with SOL 

[submitted by talk-show host James Floyd]

JAMES FLOYD on fire for the Lord:

"On fire for the Lord" is a term that took on a very different meaning 
for 
Deacon Shawn Ragan a few years back.  The Manor Baptist Church of San 
Leandro, California was far from being 'luke warm' as smoke poured from 
the
offices and library.  Police and fire investigators smelled both kerosene 

and gasoline - the racist graffiti clinched it, "what we have here is a 
hate
crime," said Police Lt. James O'Meara.

'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if 
it
were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic.' Carroll 
>from  Four Riddles

Almost immediately, attention shifted to Brother Shawn, 30, former 
principal
 of the church school and treasurer.  Bro. Ragan stood accused of 
embezzling
 20,000 dollars of the Lord's money.

"I sprayed the graffiti to make them think the arson was racially-
motivated," said the deacon.

"Part of (Ragan's) motive was emotional" said the understanding Police Lt.

ref: Crying Wolf, Laird Wilcox pg. 58

                IF YOU BURN A CHURCH TELL RABBI SOLOMAN KRUPKA
                                     (your secret is safe with Sol)
August, 1983, West Hartford, Connecticut, fires were set at Young Israel 

Synagogue, the Emmanual, and the home of Rabbi Soloman Krupka.In 
September,
 the home of Connecticut State Representative Joan Kemler, who is J-wish,

was  set on fire.  Kemler had spoken out against the unknown perpetrator 
of
the  three previous fires.  "Night of Broken Glass, the Holocaust,
revisited, I  thought this would never happen again," said a white-
haired
Holocaust  survivor. And JDL armed terrorists patrolled  the streets of 
West
Hartford. The press and legislators demanded proposals to curb "bigotry 
and
violence." 

"Contrariwise, but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic."

Barry Dov Schuss, a 17 year old J-wish student confessed to all four 
arsons.
 In fact, Schuss had confessed to Rabbi Krupka days before he told the 
truth
 to the police.
                                       
                                       AND THE WINNERS ARE
The sad truth is that we are confused about who are the victims and who 
are
 the beneficiaries. The skillet-licking preachers, professional-whiners 
and
 'witch-hunters' are winners. The losers are the dearest of our people - 

bluehaired old ladies that love God and weep at the destruction.   

I'm James Floyd and I got a hundred of 'um; before you pack your suitcase 

for a guilt-trip call me.
******************************************************************88







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Subject: Australian CLU challenges Canada on Talm*d

Date: Monday, 03-Jun-96 03:22 PM

Submitted by Ingrid Rimland [noted author]

Remember some time ago I mentioned in a previous ZGram that Canada 
Customs
had seized a copy of "The Jefferson Bible" as "hate literature"?  This 
book
was sent to Ernst Zundel (along with other literature ordered from the
Institute for Historical Review) because Ernst wanted to restock his
library, torched to the howls of the mob and dances of the hora in the
streets and sidewalks of Toronto.

Where there is force applied-such as the seizing of writings deemed
"hateful" and "inciting violence" protecting certain ethnic groups at 
the
expense of others-there will be counter-force resisting it.  Some of it, 
we
are happy to report, comes from a notable source in Australia, the
Australian Civil Liberties Union.

In the Adelaide Institute's April 1996 issue, I found the following 
letter,
worthy of sharing with both our friends and foes alike.  The letter 
pertains
to a book that I happen to have read (written by Nigel Jackson - The 
Case
for David Irving) that chastizes the beholden powers of the Government 
of
Australia for banning David Irving's books.

Irving, as many people know, is one of Europe's foremost historical 
authors
who writes in the popular vein.  He is also, thanks to the Second (1988)
Great Holocaust Zundel trial, at which he saw the light about the so-
called
"Holocaust", an outspoken Revisionist.

As many of us know, David Irving's books have been banned from Canada-as
Irving has, in person, not for what he has said, but for what he MIGHT
say-and someone by the name of Geoffrey Muirden, Secretary of the 
Australian
Civil Liberties Union, came up with the following as a challenge to 
Revenue
Canada:

Joel A. Olver
Director, Prohibited Importations,
Revenue Canada,
Customs, Excise and Taxation
Ottawa, Canada K1A )L5

27th December 1995

Dear Mr. Oliver:

Thank you for your letter dated 16 November 1995, in which you inform me
that Nigel Jackson's book, The Case for David Irving, is defined as 
"hate
propaganda" in the Criminal Code.

Since you are so disturbed about "hate propaganda", I enclose details of 
the
Jewish Talmud, which has been distributing hate against the "goyim" 
(itself
 a hateful term, since it means "human cattle", the Jews only permitting
themselves to be fully human).

Enclosed are summaries of the hateful comments about Christ, Christians 
and
Christianity, which would, of course, make it liable as hate propaganda.

I draw your attention, for example, to the hate mongering and 
blasphemous
reference to Christ as the illegitimate son of a liaison of intercourse
between His mother, Mary, and Pandira, a Roman soldier.  Christ is also
called a "fool" who "corrupts his morals and dishonours himelf" and 
"died
like a beast and is buried in an animal's dirt heap".

This is hateful enough, but it doesn't stop there.  I've underlined some 
of
the most hateful expressions in the Talmud.

Hateful references to Christians as "idolaters", Christians "have sex 
with
animals", Jews are "innocent of murder if intended to kill a Christian".
This is of course an incitement to murder.  Christians idoleters likened 
to
cows and asses;  Christians are like unclean beasts;  non-Jews' souls go
straight to hell.  Jews can lie and perjure to condemn a Christian;  name 
of
God not profaned when lying to Christians;  and Jews can perjure 
themselves
with a clear conscience.  The last is, of course, an incitement to lie 
and
cheat.

I feel sure you will be disgusted with this "hate propaganda" and please 
let
me know how many raids you make on Jewish synagogues in Canada to seize 
the
hateful Talmud and destroy it-also, of course, arresting rabbis who 
dispense
this filth.

It can only be a lack of understanding of this hate propaganda in the 
midst
of Canadians that has hindered your actions against this in the past.  
Now
(that) you have been advised, please keep me informed of actions against
Jews dispensing the Talmud, reading this filth at synagogues, which will
have to be invaded to take away copies of this corrupting literature.

I await details of your moral crusade with great interest.

Yours faithfully,

Geoff. Muirden, Secretary, Australian Civil Liberties Union, P.O. Box 
1137,
Carlton, Victoria 3053, Australia.

(End of letter)

[snip]

Ingrid
******************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 18-Jun-96 11:56 PM

Subject: Holy Smoke, your secret is safe with SOL 

[submitted by talk-show host James Floyd]

JAMES FLOYD on fire for the Lord:

"On fire for the Lord" is a term that took on a very different meaning 
for 
Deacon Shawn Ragan a few years back.  The Manor Baptist Church of San 
Leandro, California was far from being 'luke warm' as smoke poured from 
the
offices and library.  Police and fire investigators smelled both kerosene 

and gasoline - the racist graffiti clinched it, "what we have here is a 
hate
crime," said Police Lt. James O'Meara.

'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if 
it
were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic.' Carroll 
>from  Four Riddles

Almost immediately, attention shifted to Brother Shawn, 30, former 
principal
 of the church school and treasurer.  Bro. Ragan stood accused of 
embezzling
 20,000 dollars of the Lord's money.

"I sprayed the graffiti to make them think the arson was racially-
motivated," said the deacon.

"Part of (Ragan's) motive was emotional" said the understanding Police Lt.

ref: Crying Wolf, Laird Wilcox pg. 58

                IF YOU BURN A CHURCH TELL RABBI SOLOMAN KRUPKA
                                     (your secret is safe with Sol)
August, 1983, West Hartford, Connecticut, fires were set at Young Israel 

Synagogue, the Emmanual, and the home of Rabbi Soloman Krupka.In 
September,
 the home of Connecticut State Representative Joan Kemler, who is J-wish,

was  set on fire.  Kemler had spoken out against the unknown perpetrator 
of
the  three previous fires.  "Night of Broken Glass, the Holocaust,
revisited, I  thought this would never happen again," said a white-
haired
Holocaust  survivor. And JDL armed terrorists patrolled  the streets of 
West
Hartford. The press and legislators demanded proposals to curb "bigotry 
and
violence." 

"Contrariwise, but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic."

Barry Dov Schuss, a 17 year old J-wish student confessed to all four 
arsons.
 In fact, Schuss had confessed to Rabbi Krupka days before he told the 
truth
 to the police.
                                       
                                       AND THE WINNERS ARE
The sad truth is that we are confused about who are the victims and who 
are
 the beneficiaries. The skillet-licking preachers, professional-whiners 
and
 'witch-hunters' are winners. The losers are the dearest of our people - 

bluehaired old ladies that love God and weep at the destruction.   

I'm James Floyd and I got a hundred of 'um; before you pack your suitcase 

for a guilt-trip call me.
******************************************************************

Subject: benny nutanyahoo takes israel's reins

06/19/96
Even as benny nutanyahoo, israel's new PM, chaired his first Cabinet 
meeting today, there were fewer assurances than before the election that 
he would abied by the citizens' will to continue the peace process with 
Arab neighbors. There were no moves to reassure Arab leaders, nor to 
continue the previous govt's commitment to withdraw from the West Bank 
city of Hebron. And the new national security council is now headed by 
former air force chief david IVRI, himself a questionable character, a 
selection which seems to permeate the yahoo regime. Cabinet secty' danny 
NAVEH refused personal comment and said the issue of troop withdrawal 
would be decided by yahoo and his closest advisors. This sounds like 
danny is not one of them!

Palestinians are afraid yahoo will maintain troops in Hebron, a hard-line 
promoted by yahoo prior to the election, and a violation of israeli's 
prior commitment. Israel has traditionally given only lip service ot 
peace, making promises on one hand, but continuing to do as she damn well 
pleases, especially in the area of j*wish settlement construction. The 
settlements show her arrogance, an attitude of 'if we build enough j*wish 
housing out there, no one can move us' while simultaneously bulldozing 
houses belonging to families of 'suspected' terrorists. The way we see it,
 the only terrorists are the settlers, who are heavily armed and 
routinely execute  Arab citizens of the West Bank.

Foreign Minister david LEVY warned Arabs not to prejudge yahoo's govt' 
"before we sit down and talk." But who can trust the israelis when prior 
talks have been a run-around for the Palestinians? It all seems to be a 
waiting game for the Arabs , while the j*ws utilize the time to expand 
their settlements. 

Meanwhile, there is grumbling among Army and intelligence community 
people who no longer trust IVRI in his association with benny yahoo, and 
who are facing lower prestige and lessened influence in political affairs.


Outgoing Peres, who held office since the execution of RABIN six months 
ago, said , "israel is near the top of the mountain, but there are mines 
on the way to the peak." We can only hope that evil benny steps on one of 
those mines.

Sandra@HohenHausen.Guild
***************************************************************

Date: Monday, 03-Jun-96 09:37 AM

From: Anton  

Subject: _Woman Sues Over Letter About Holocaust Museum_ (ANA)

Debra Coleman Warner, a Louisiana woman who lost a parish council runoff
election, is suing the school board because a letter she wrote asking 
that
her son be excused from a field trip to the Holocaust Museum was leaked 
to a
newspaper.  Warner wrote a letter in 1992 that said "allegations 
regarding
treatment of jews during the war years have been grossly exaggerated" 
and
said she did not want her son exposed to such "propaganda."  She lost 
the
elections last November and is suing for unspecified damages for herself 
and
her son.  Two days before the runoff election the _Times-Picayune_ 
printed
excerpts of the letter and two days later published an article about
Warner's ties to the "White supremacist" New Christian Crusade Church.
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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sat Jun 22 10:47:07 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: negroes steal White lands
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Date: Friday, 31-May-96 08:37 AM

White farmers challenge government land seizure in Zimbabwe_ (AP)

HARARE, Zimbabwe (May 30, 1996 11:23 p.m. EDT) -- Three white farmers 
whose
land is being seized for resettlement of black peasants argued Thursday 
they
are entitled to use the land until they receive fair compensation from 
the
government.

The three are among 4,500 white farmers, most of them descendants of 
British
settlers, who stand to lose 30 million acres -- or one-third of 
Zimbabwe's
land -- under the 1992 Land Acquisition Act.

President Robert Mugabe has claimed the act is a step to recover land 
stolen
>from  the indigenous population during colonization.

Critics, however, say farms taken over on the pretext they were needed 
to
resettle 700,000 peasant families have ended up being leased by the
government to influential politicians.

They also say the government has not set aside any money to build the 
roads
and other costly infrastructure needed to move families onto the land.

Arguing on behalf of the three farmers, attorney Adrian de Bourbon told 
a
five-judge panel Thursday that they are not challenging the state's right 
to
expropriate the land -- as long as there is fair compensation.

They also claim that by having the government simply designate their land 
as
seizable, they are robbed of legitimate use of the land until the state
completes compulsory purchase.

"Use of the farm is diminished to an extraordinary extent," de Bourbon 
said.
"What price is someone going to pay for a farm knowing that it is under 
the
hammer, knowing that at the whim of the government it can be acquired 
any
day?

"They often cannot even raise crops because they cannot raise mortgages 
from
the banks."

The judicial panel, made up of two whites, two blacks and one Asian, is
expected to take up to four months to consider the case. The panel is a
fierce upholder of judicial independence.

Mugabe, who has crafted a virtual one-party state, has threatened to 
ignore
any court decision blocking his redistribution plan.

"We will not tolerate any resistance," he said of the farmers' court
challenge. "Tell them we are irresistible."

Zimbabwe, formerly the British colony of Rhodesia, became independent 
under
Mugabe in 1980. The new government vowed to resettle 162,000 families in 
the
first decade, but only 66,850 have been moved so far.

Some 8 million peasants occupy one-third of Zimbabwe that is not owned 
by
white farmers. The rest of the land is unproductive, mountainous or in
nature preserves.

ANA






From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sat Jun 22 13:00:04 PDT 1996
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Subject: Australian CLU challenges Canada on Talm*d

Date: Monday, 03-Jun-96 03:22 PM

Submitted by Ingrid Rimland [noted author]

Remember some time ago I mentioned in a previous ZGram that Canada 
Customs
had seized a copy of "The Jefferson Bible" as "hate literature"?  This 
book
was sent to Ernst Zundel (along with other literature ordered from the
Institute for Historical Review) because Ernst wanted to restock his
library, torched to the howls of the mob and dances of the hora in the
streets and sidewalks of Toronto.

Where there is force applied-such as the seizing of writings deemed
"hateful" and "inciting violence" protecting certain ethnic groups at 
the
expense of others-there will be counter-force resisting it.  Some of it, 
we
are happy to report, comes from a notable source in Australia, the
Australian Civil Liberties Union.

In the Adelaide Institute's April 1996 issue, I found the following 
letter,
worthy of sharing with both our friends and foes alike.  The letter 
pertains
to a book that I happen to have read (written by Nigel Jackson - The 
Case
for David Irving) that chastizes the beholden powers of the Government 
of
Australia for banning David Irving's books.

Irving, as many people know, is one of Europe's foremost historical 
authors
who writes in the popular vein.  He is also, thanks to the Second (1988)
Great Holocaust Zundel trial, at which he saw the light about the so-
called
"Holocaust", an outspoken Revisionist.

As many of us know, David Irving's books have been banned from Canada-as
Irving has, in person, not for what he has said, but for what he MIGHT
say-and someone by the name of Geoffrey Muirden, Secretary of the 
Australian
Civil Liberties Union, came up with the following as a challenge to 
Revenue
Canada:

Joel A. Olver
Director, Prohibited Importations,
Revenue Canada,
Customs, Excise and Taxation
Ottawa, Canada K1A )L5

27th December 1995

Dear Mr. Oliver:

Thank you for your letter dated 16 November 1995, in which you inform me
that Nigel Jackson's book, The Case for David Irving, is defined as 
"hate
propaganda" in the Criminal Code.

Since you are so disturbed about "hate propaganda", I enclose details of 
the
Jewish Talmud, which has been distributing hate against the "goyim" 
(itself
 a hateful term, since it means "human cattle", the Jews only permitting
themselves to be fully human).

Enclosed are summaries of the hateful comments about Christ, Christians 
and
Christianity, which would, of course, make it liable as hate propaganda.

I draw your attention, for example, to the hate mongering and 
blasphemous
reference to Christ as the illegitimate son of a liaison of intercourse
between His mother, Mary, and Pandira, a Roman soldier.  Christ is also
called a "fool" who "corrupts his morals and dishonours himelf" and 
"died
like a beast and is buried in an animal's dirt heap".

This is hateful enough, but it doesn't stop there.  I've underlined some 
of
the most hateful expressions in the Talmud.

Hateful references to Christians as "idolaters", Christians "have sex 
with
animals", Jews are "innocent of murder if intended to kill a Christian".
This is of course an incitement to murder.  Christians idoleters likened 
to
cows and asses;  Christians are like unclean beasts;  non-Jews' souls go
straight to hell.  Jews can lie and perjure to condemn a Christian;  name 
of
God not profaned when lying to Christians;  and Jews can perjure 
themselves
with a clear conscience.  The last is, of course, an incitement to lie 
and
cheat.

I feel sure you will be disgusted with this "hate propaganda" and please 
let
me know how many raids you make on Jewish synagogues in Canada to seize 
the
hateful Talmud and destroy it-also, of course, arresting rabbis who 
dispense
this filth.

It can only be a lack of understanding of this hate propaganda in the 
midst
of Canadians that has hindered your actions against this in the past.  
Now
(that) you have been advised, please keep me informed of actions against
Jews dispensing the Talmud, reading this filth at synagogues, which will
have to be invaded to take away copies of this corrupting literature.

I await details of your moral crusade with great interest.

Yours faithfully,

Geoff. Muirden, Secretary, Australian Civil Liberties Union, P.O. Box 
1137,
Carlton, Victoria 3053, Australia.

(End of letter)

[snip]

Ingrid
******************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 18-Jun-96 11:56 PM

Subject: Holy Smoke, your secret is safe with SOL 

[submitted by talk-show host James Floyd]

JAMES FLOYD on fire for the Lord:

"On fire for the Lord" is a term that took on a very different meaning 
for 
Deacon Shawn Ragan a few years back.  The Manor Baptist Church of San 
Leandro, California was far from being 'luke warm' as smoke poured from 
the
offices and library.  Police and fire investigators smelled both kerosene 

and gasoline - the racist graffiti clinched it, "what we have here is a 
hate
crime," said Police Lt. James O'Meara.

'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if 
it
were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic.' Carroll 
>from  Four Riddles

Almost immediately, attention shifted to Brother Shawn, 30, former 
principal
 of the church school and treasurer.  Bro. Ragan stood accused of 
embezzling
 20,000 dollars of the Lord's money.

"I sprayed the graffiti to make them think the arson was racially-
motivated," said the deacon.

"Part of (Ragan's) motive was emotional" said the understanding Police Lt.

ref: Crying Wolf, Laird Wilcox pg. 58

                IF YOU BURN A CHURCH TELL RABBI SOLOMAN KRUPKA
                                     (your secret is safe with Sol)
August, 1983, West Hartford, Connecticut, fires were set at Young Israel 

Synagogue, the Emmanual, and the home of Rabbi Soloman Krupka.In 
September,
 the home of Connecticut State Representative Joan Kemler, who is J-wish,

was  set on fire.  Kemler had spoken out against the unknown perpetrator 
of
the  three previous fires.  "Night of Broken Glass, the Holocaust,
revisited, I  thought this would never happen again," said a white-
haired
Holocaust  survivor. And JDL armed terrorists patrolled  the streets of 
West
Hartford. The press and legislators demanded proposals to curb "bigotry 
and
violence." 

"Contrariwise, but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic."

Barry Dov Schuss, a 17 year old J-wish student confessed to all four 
arsons.
 In fact, Schuss had confessed to Rabbi Krupka days before he told the 
truth
 to the police.
                                       
                                       AND THE WINNERS ARE
The sad truth is that we are confused about who are the victims and who 
are
 the beneficiaries. The skillet-licking preachers, professional-whiners 
and
 'witch-hunters' are winners. The losers are the dearest of our people - 

bluehaired old ladies that love God and weep at the destruction.   

I'm James Floyd and I got a hundred of 'um; before you pack your suitcase 

for a guilt-trip call me.
******************************************************************

Subject: benny nutanyahoo takes israel's reins

06/19/96
Even as benny nutanyahoo, israel's new PM, chaired his first Cabinet 
meeting today, there were fewer assurances than before the election that 
he would abied by the citizens' will to continue the peace process with 
Arab neighbors. There were no moves to reassure Arab leaders, nor to 
continue the previous govt's commitment to withdraw from the West Bank 
city of Hebron. And the new national security council is now headed by 
former air force chief david IVRI, himself a questionable character, a 
selection which seems to permeate the yahoo regime. Cabinet secty' danny 
NAVEH refused personal comment and said the issue of troop withdrawal 
would be decided by yahoo and his closest advisors. This sounds like 
danny is not one of them!

Palestinians are afraid yahoo will maintain troops in Hebron, a hard-line 
promoted by yahoo prior to the election, and a violation of israeli's 
prior commitment. Israel has traditionally given only lip service ot 
peace, making promises on one hand, but continuing to do as she damn well 
pleases, especially in the area of j*wish settlement construction. The 
settlements show her arrogance, an attitude of 'if we build enough j*wish 
housing out there, no one can move us' while simultaneously bulldozing 
houses belonging to families of 'suspected' terrorists. The way we see it,
 the only terrorists are the settlers, who are heavily armed and 
routinely execute  Arab citizens of the West Bank.

Foreign Minister david LEVY warned Arabs not to prejudge yahoo's govt' 
"before we sit down and talk." But who can trust the israelis when prior 
talks have been a run-around for the Palestinians? It all seems to be a 
waiting game for the Arabs , while the j*ws utilize the time to expand 
their settlements. 

Meanwhile, there is grumbling among Army and intelligence community 
people who no longer trust IVRI in his association with benny yahoo, and 
who are facing lower prestige and lessened influence in political affairs.


Outgoing Peres, who held office since the execution of RABIN six months 
ago, said , "israel is near the top of the mountain, but there are mines 
on the way to the peak." We can only hope that evil benny steps on one of 
those mines.

Sandra@HohenHausen.Guild
***************************************************************

Date: Monday, 03-Jun-96 09:37 AM

From: Anton  

Subject: _Woman Sues Over Letter About Holocaust Museum_ (ANA)

Debra Coleman Warner, a Louisiana woman who lost a parish council runoff
election, is suing the school board because a letter she wrote asking 
that
her son be excused from a field trip to the Holocaust Museum was leaked 
to a
newspaper.  Warner wrote a letter in 1992 that said "allegations 
regarding
treatment of jews during the war years have been grossly exaggerated" 
and
said she did not want her son exposed to such "propaganda."  She lost 
the
elections last November and is suing for unspecified damages for herself 
and
her son.  Two days before the runoff election the _Times-Picayune_ 
printed
excerpts of the letter and two days later published an article about
Warner's ties to the "White supremacist" New Christian Crusade Church.
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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 23 08:14:35 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: An all Jewish memorial despite an act of Congress
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ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer) wrote:
>
>
>>I have not personally visited this huge Holocaust Museum in Washington 
DC.
>
>>One part of me wants to out of curiosity, but another part is repelled 
by
>>the very idea.
>>It seems to me that these gigantic holocaust things appear to 
celebrate
>>the Holocaust
>>more as a religious event than as something historical.

The so-called holocaust is indeed a fraud, and as such, the j*ws have 
made it into a dogma, ie, it should not be questioned. There is no reason 
whatsoever for something like the museum to be on American soil, from 
whence many young American men died fighting Hitler's machine.



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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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#What is the problem with this Holocaust/Jewish crowd?  Don't they
>#understand
>#that free speech is a concept that is for EVERYONE?  It's not 
something
>#that
>#can be squealched for this group or that person, that Jews don't like.
>[more of the same snipped]
>
>Since when has the concept of free speech become just another slogan
>to promote blatant propaganda?

It is only 'blatant propaganda' or 'unacceptable' speech when it 
disagrees with the tribesmen of ZION.

Sandra



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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: Burn a few jews
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>Not all Jews are Zionists. Many don't eat pigs.

Of course not. Cannibalism is gross.



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>The photos of the people burned alive in the Thekla and
>Gardelegen atrocities are at
>
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/dkeren-incoming

Amazing, the pathology science of the 40s. We can't today tell from ashes 
that the 'perpetrator' burned while alive..



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06/24/96 Berlin--
APP

Subject: Fags more important than holocaust

Although Pope John Paul II praised four Germans who defied Hitler, 
including a j*wish convert who died at Auschwitz, that was no match for 
the faggots who rioted against him at the notorious Banndenburg Gate. 
Paint-gun pellets splattered against his car. The fags were upset over 
the Vatican's stance against homosexuality.

The Pope was there to beatify 2 priests for their role in German 
Christian history during WWII. He also cited 2 Germans beatified in 1987--
edith STEIN, who converted from j*daism to become a nun, and the Rev. 
Rupert Mayer, a Jesuit Priest who survived the Nazi era.

Some 2,000 fags, led by the j*wish Citizens against racism & Anti-
semitism group, yelled, "Go to hell!" at the Pope, hurled red paint and 
mode filthy hand gestures. One lesbian ran nude into the street. Some 
dressed in Papal vestments and wore huge condoms.
****************************************************
06/24/96
APP

Chastity Bono, lesbian daughter of Cher & Sonny Bono preached grass-roots 
activism to marchers in a weekend gay rights parade. She acted as the 
parade's Grand Marshall in Portland, Oregon. on Saturday. She also works 
for the Human Rights Campaign, the largest homo-j*wish political group in 
the United States.

Bono said she will campaign for Pres. Clinton this year. Her fathere, 
actor turned politician, has opposed homo rights issues.
****************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 01:19 AM

From: Anton                

_Museum teaches officers tolerance_

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A group of Los Angeles County sheriff's recruits make 
their way down a dimly lighted corridor. Whispered epithets spew from 
the
darkness: "Faggot." "Spic." "Jungle Bunny."

Welcome to the "Whisper Galiery," a curving hallway that leads to the 
Simon Wiesenthal Center's Musuem of Tolerance, a $50 million hands-on 
exploration
of racism and hate. Officials are hoping that giving recruits a taste of 
its high-tech exhibits and dramatic re-enactments will make them better
deputies.
              Used for officer training

Law enforcement agencies are mandated by the state to teach cultural 
awareness to their recruits. Most use a state-run program.

But the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department depends primarily on the 
Museum of Tolerance to educate trainees on the nature and origins of
prejudice and discrimination, said sheriff's Sgt. Randy Olson. "We 
recognize that we have a very diverse community and we better get on 
board," he said, referring to the multicultural county that has become 
known as America's new melting pot.

One of more than 100 recruits who recently spent a day of training at the 
museum was 27-year old Leonard Long.

"It made me understand what these people went through," Long said as he 
walked in awe through Holocaust section. "I think this training will help 
me be more tolerant in the field."

                Area tensions addressed

In a region of racial tension -- most recently rocked by the videotaped 
police beatings of Illegal Mexican immigrants -- the need for the museum 
is apperent.

The museum doesn't stop at the Holocaust. A video display is devoted 
exclusively to the causes and consequences of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, 
which left more than 50 dead and caused nearly $1 billion damage.

The recruits wind up their nearly three-hour tour by attending a two-hour 
seminar called "Tools for Tolerance."
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Abbé Pierre and the 8th Deadly Sin: Doubt
slepokuo@cadvision.com

Mystifying Downfall / Onetime hero's new beliefs embarrass France 

By Julian Nundy [Newsday Magazine]

PARIS

AS A BOY in Lyons in the 1920s, Henri Groues used to go with his father 
on
Sunday mornings to shelters for the homeless to wash the feet of the poor.

At other times, his father would tell him to gather up his favorite toys
and the boy would donate them to orphanages. 

Henri's deeply Catholic father hoped to teach his son humility. It was 
the
beginning of a life of piety and devotion to the poor that was, decades
later, to put Henri - known to the public as Abbe Pierre - atop one 
French
popularity poll after another. 

Known for angry outbursts about the fate of the homeless in a consumer
society where the majority lives well, the bearded and bespectacled face
of Abbe Pierre topped by his black beret became synonymous with charity.
Rushing to the side of the unhappy and appealing for help, even when 
aged
and suffering himself from Parkinson's Disease, Abbe Pierre became, for
many, a living saint. 

Until this year, when the national conscience became a national 
embarrassment.
At age 83, Abbe Pierre last month chose to support an old philosopher
friend, Roger Garaudy, who claimed in a recently published book, "The
Founding Myths of the State of Israel," that the extent of the Nazi
extermination of Jews during World War II was exaggerated. 

For French intellectuals there is no greater sin than to join this
"negationist" camp. In fact, it's against French law. Garaudy has been
indicted and awaits trial on charges of "minimizing crimes against
humanity." The more Abbe Pierre tried to explain his gesture - defiantly 
at first,
then more and more apologetically - the more he sank into a quagmire of
his own making. In the early days after his first statement of support 
for
Garaudy, Abbe Pierre admitted he had not read the book. Then he said he
did not know that its publishers specialized in extreme right-wing
literature.

The focus of Abbe Pierre's blind friendship was a dubious one. Garaudy,
82, rose through the ranks of the French Communist Party during its most
Stalinist period. Expelled from the party's Politburo in 1970, he later
converted from his family's Protestant faith to Catholicism and later to
Islam.

In his book, Garaudy says Zionist ideology amounts to "political
exploitation, by a nation which did not exist when these crimes were
committed, of arbitrarily exaggerated figures to try and prove that the
suffering of some was far greater than that of all the others; the fact
that it has become sacred makes us forget other, more dreadful genocides.
"

In a letter to the daily newspaper Le Monde, Abbe Pierre said it was
"quite normal that we were given to exaggerations after the war." Garaudy,

he said, was "a true historian." His comments aroused a storm of protest
in the French media. Later, he was to moderate his statements but said 
he
regretted that a proper debate on the Holocaust could not be held - which,

of course, is a cherished goal of Holocaust deniers. 

The daily Liberation said the negationist historians could "never have
hoped for such a divine surprise." The most famous of them, Robert
Faurisson, who has been banned from teaching history in French
universities, even issued a press statement welcoming Abbe Pierre's
support of his cause.

It is ironic that Abbe Pierre should founder on this issue. During World
War II, unlike many of his countrymen, the young priest, who had entered
the Capuchin monastic order in 1931, was a courageous and active member 
of
the anti-Nazi Resistance. There he acquired the nom de guerre of Abbe
Pierre. In particular, he was part of a network that smuggled French 
Jews
to safety in Switzerland.

His time in the Resistance led to politics - he was briefly a member of
the postwar Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of parliament 
- before beginning militant charity work. 

On Feb. 1, 1954, Abbe Pierre burst into the studios of the French 
national
radio station during a spell of freezing weather. He was allowed to read
his appeal on the air. "My friends, help me!" he shouted. "Let us love
each other just enough to stop this. We need 5,000 blankets and 300 big
tents." Ordinary Parisians flocked to help him. 

Over the decades, he was a constant figure at protests by the poor,
appearing in front of the cameras and microphones to angrily denounce a
system that could not look after them. In one case, he was flown in a
helicopter hired by a television channel to make it to a protest in time
for prime-time news.

But even before the Garaudy episode, Abbe Pierre's high-profile protests
have become increasingly shrill and misdirected. On Bosnia, he gave the
French government instructions for the rescue of prisoners in Serb camps,

advocating the use of paratroopers to take them out while aerial 
bombings
wiped out Serb artillery around Sarajevo. It was, he said, inexcusable 
for
civilians to be massacred, "even if they are Muslims." He later 
apologized
for those words. 

He demanded that the French national anthem "La Marseillaise" should be
rewritten to make it less warlike. During last year's presidential
election campaign, he delivered a public judgment on the man who
eventually won, Jacques Chirac, pronouncing him "incapable of running
France."

In March, Abbe Pierre appeared in a Paris church which 400 African
immigrants had occupied in a campaign opposing residence papers. 
Cardinal
Jean Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, showed the first signs of Church
irritation with Abbe Pierre, asking in a television interview why so 
many
had gathered spontaneously at the same spot. Lustiger said the 
immigrants
were manipulated and their protest could backfire. 

When police eventually evacuated the church, Abbe Pierre accused Prime
Minister Alain Juppe of being "a liar." He said the prime minister had
promised that police would take no action. Such was Abbe Pierre's
popularity that Juppe invited Abbe Pierre to his office for a public
reconciliation.

But by tearing at the scars of a French society rent during World War II
among victims of the German war machine, resisters and collaborators, 
Abbe
Pierre seems on his way to undoing a lifetime of good work. The French
International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has expelled him
>from  its committee of honor. Joseph Sitruk, France's Grand Rabbi, said 
his
behavior displayed the old French Catholic anti-Semitism.

And the weekly L'Express recalled that, railing against the Pope, Abbe
Pierre said the pontiff should have retired at 75. As Abbe Pierre took 
off
for a two-month self-imposed exile from the public scene, L'Express said
the 83-year-old priest "thinks too much about others to the point that 
he
forgets that all well-ordered charity begins at home."


[End]

-- 
******************************************************************
What sort of truth is it that needs protection?  - Auberon Waugh  *
                                                                  *
The London Daily Telegraph, May 9, 1992                           *
*******************************************************************














From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Mon Jun 24 21:39:53 PDT 1996
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Date: Wednesday, 03-Apr-96 03:35 PM

Even our enemies concede that we have an elegant and sophisticated site -

probably one of the premier political activist sites globally.  As a 
result,
we are often asked by people who struggle alongside us to provide links 
to
their own sites from the very busy Zundelsite.

We don't do this at the present time, in part for legal reasons and 
simply
because our enemies are sitting there, waiting to smear us by 
association
with someone who could be called "racist" or "hateful" or worse - 
depending
on who makes the charge and from what country's legal platform.  Please
understand that this is one of the important reason we do not provide 
links
to just anyone.

But I don't see what harm  could be done by letting you know occasionally 
if
a site springs up that has information relevant to our struggle - 
regardless
of whether or not we agree with or feel allied to that site's entire
content.  We are simply bringing you the information as a public service.


There are three sites I'd like to mention today that might be of interest 
to
you.

First, there is Bradley Smith's site, CODOH.  I have mentioned CODOH 
before
but neglected to give you the URL, which is
http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/

". . . CODOH features technical articles on the gas chamber controversy,
transcripts and articles questioning the validity of various war crimes
trials, documentation of the persecution and censorship of revisionists 
and
other free thinkers, reviews of thought-provoking books and e-mail from 
you,
our readers.

CODOH International offers material in German, Italian and French -- so 
far.
CODOH is also pleased to announce the new David Irving Page. . ."

Next, there is a new and exciting website located in Australia.  Its URL 
is
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html.

It says, in part:

". . . We are not "holocaust deniers". We proudly proclaim that to date
there is no evidence that millions of people were killed in homicidal 
gas
chambers. That is good news all round.

Why would anyone find this offensive? We are celebrating the living who 
were
thought dead. How can this be an offence - unless it offends those who 
have
their snout in the trough which Jewish academic, Dr Frank Knopfelmacher
called, "the Holocaust racket. . . "

We at the Zundelsite hope that this Australian site will specialize in
scientific documentation such as the three additional forensic reports 
that
have come in the wake of the trailblazing and so virulently and falsely
maligned Leuchter Report.  Having a related site like that at our 
fingertips
half a globe away saves us an enormous amount of work and makes us twice 
as
strong.

Third, there is a young man, a junior college student named Justin, up 
in
the Northwest of the United States who has been tireless in trying to
promote a student association honoring his white, European ancestry.

Justin has taken quite a bit of flak for standing up for his ethnic
heritage, but he is determined and undaunted.  Last week, his website 
was
announced.  You find it at http://nwlink.com/~justin49

It advertises itself (abbreviated) as follows:

". . . We intend to inform Euro-American students on issues relevant to
them. We will exercise our right to take pride in who we are and where 
we
came from. Whether your family's historical roots are from Northern,
Southern, or Eastern Europe, we will promote unity and pride among
Euro-American students. We believe that every race and ethnic group 
should
be equally proud of its unique history and heritage.

We will promote a better understanding of European and Euro-American 
ethnic
tradition and culture, including often overlooked pre-Christian ideals. 
The
sad fact of the matter is that most Euro-American students actually know
very little about their real history; the E.S.A. (Euro-American 
Students'
Association) seeks to help change this.

Through our network of universities and colleges, we will promote 
relevent
speakers and performers. These people will promote European culture and 
also
speak about Euro-American issues.

We will act to promote dignity and pride among all students, regardless 
of
race. The best way to do this is to promote a strong sense of self 
identity,
one necessary for a healthy mind set.  .  ."

Please frequent these sites and, if relevant, link them to your sites.  
And
please understand that, since the Zundelsite is more besieged than most 
and
is targeted to be made an example of free speech censorship, we cannot
provide link at this time, but appreciate your helping to share our 
burden!

What we need is a thousand websites, all over the globe, contributing to 
the
ethnic quilt we are stitching - all doing work in their own way so our
children and children's children will have a warmer, cozier world than 
we
are having now.


Ingrid

http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english




 




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06/24/96 Berlin--
APP

Subject: Fags more important than holocaust

Although Pope John Paul II praised four Germans who defied Hitler, 
including a j*wish convert who died at Auschwitz, that was no match for 
the faggots who rioted against him at the notorious Banndenburg Gate. 
Paint-gun pellets splattered against his car. The fags were upset over 
the Vatican's stance against homosexuality.

The Pope was there to beatify 2 priests for their role in German 
Christian history during WWII. He also cited 2 Germans beatified in 1987--
edith STEIN, who converted from j*daism to become a nun, and the Rev. 
Rupert Mayer, a Jesuit Priest who survived the Nazi era.

Some 2,000 fags, led by the j*wish Citizens against racism & Anti-
semitism group, yelled, "Go to hell!" at the Pope, hurled red paint and 
mode filthy hand gestures. One lesbian ran nude into the street. Some 
dressed in Papal vestments and wore huge condoms.
****************************************************
06/24/96
APP

Chastity Bono, lesbian daughter of Cher & Sonny Bono preached grass-roots 
activism to marchers in a weekend gay rights parade. She acted as the 
parade's Grand Marshall in Portland, Oregon. on Saturday. She also works 
for the Human Rights Campaign, the largest homo-j*wish political group in 
the United States.

Bono said she will campaign for Pres. Clinton this year. Her fathere, 
actor turned politician, has opposed homo rights issues.
****************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 01:19 AM

From: Anton                

_Museum teaches officers tolerance_

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A group of Los Angeles County sheriff's recruits make 
their way down a dimly lighted corridor. Whispered epithets spew from 
the
darkness: "Faggot." "Spic." "Jungle Bunny."

Welcome to the "Whisper Galiery," a curving hallway that leads to the 
Simon Wiesenthal Center's Musuem of Tolerance, a $50 million hands-on 
exploration
of racism and hate. Officials are hoping that giving recruits a taste of 
its high-tech exhibits and dramatic re-enactments will make them better
deputies.
              Used for officer training

Law enforcement agencies are mandated by the state to teach cultural 
awareness to their recruits. Most use a state-run program.

But the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department depends primarily on the 
Museum of Tolerance to educate trainees on the nature and origins of
prejudice and discrimination, said sheriff's Sgt. Randy Olson. "We 
recognize that we have a very diverse community and we better get on 
board," he said, referring to the multicultural county that has become 
known as America's new melting pot.

One of more than 100 recruits who recently spent a day of training at the 
museum was 27-year old Leonard Long.

"It made me understand what these people went through," Long said as he 
walked in awe through Holocaust section. "I think this training will help 
me be more tolerant in the field."

                Area tensions addressed

In a region of racial tension -- most recently rocked by the videotaped 
police beatings of Illegal Mexican immigrants -- the need for the museum 
is apperent.

The museum doesn't stop at the Holocaust. A video display is devoted 
exclusively to the causes and consequences of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, 
which left more than 50 dead and caused nearly $1 billion damage.

The recruits wind up their nearly three-hour tour by attending a two-hour 
seminar called "Tools for Tolerance."
***************************************************************
Abbé Pierre and the 8th Deadly Sin: Doubt
slepokuo@cadvision.com

Mystifying Downfall / Onetime hero's new beliefs embarrass France 

By Julian Nundy [Newsday Magazine]

PARIS

AS A BOY in Lyons in the 1920s, Henri Groues used to go with his father 
on
Sunday mornings to shelters for the homeless to wash the feet of the poor.

At other times, his father would tell him to gather up his favorite toys
and the boy would donate them to orphanages. 

Henri's deeply Catholic father hoped to teach his son humility. It was 
the
beginning of a life of piety and devotion to the poor that was, decades
later, to put Henri - known to the public as Abbe Pierre - atop one 
French
popularity poll after another. 

Known for angry outbursts about the fate of the homeless in a consumer
society where the majority lives well, the bearded and bespectacled face
of Abbe Pierre topped by his black beret became synonymous with charity.
Rushing to the side of the unhappy and appealing for help, even when 
aged
and suffering himself from Parkinson's Disease, Abbe Pierre became, for
many, a living saint. 

Until this year, when the national conscience became a national 
embarrassment.
At age 83, Abbe Pierre last month chose to support an old philosopher
friend, Roger Garaudy, who claimed in a recently published book, "The
Founding Myths of the State of Israel," that the extent of the Nazi
extermination of Jews during World War II was exaggerated. 

For French intellectuals there is no greater sin than to join this
"negationist" camp. In fact, it's against French law. Garaudy has been
indicted and awaits trial on charges of "minimizing crimes against
humanity." The more Abbe Pierre tried to explain his gesture - defiantly 
at first,
then more and more apologetically - the more he sank into a quagmire of
his own making. In the early days after his first statement of support 
for
Garaudy, Abbe Pierre admitted he had not read the book. Then he said he
did not know that its publishers specialized in extreme right-wing
literature.

The focus of Abbe Pierre's blind friendship was a dubious one. Garaudy,
82, rose through the ranks of the French Communist Party during its most
Stalinist period. Expelled from the party's Politburo in 1970, he later
converted from his family's Protestant faith to Catholicism and later to
Islam.

In his book, Garaudy says Zionist ideology amounts to "political
exploitation, by a nation which did not exist when these crimes were
committed, of arbitrarily exaggerated figures to try and prove that the
suffering of some was far greater than that of all the others; the fact
that it has become sacred makes us forget other, more dreadful genocides.
"

In a letter to the daily newspaper Le Monde, Abbe Pierre said it was
"quite normal that we were given to exaggerations after the war." Garaudy,

he said, was "a true historian." His comments aroused a storm of protest
in the French media. Later, he was to moderate his statements but said 
he
regretted that a proper debate on the Holocaust could not be held - which,

of course, is a cherished goal of Holocaust deniers. 

The daily Liberation said the negationist historians could "never have
hoped for such a divine surprise." The most famous of them, Robert
Faurisson, who has been banned from teaching history in French
universities, even issued a press statement welcoming Abbe Pierre's
support of his cause.

It is ironic that Abbe Pierre should founder on this issue. During World
War II, unlike many of his countrymen, the young priest, who had entered
the Capuchin monastic order in 1931, was a courageous and active member 
of
the anti-Nazi Resistance. There he acquired the nom de guerre of Abbe
Pierre. In particular, he was part of a network that smuggled French 
Jews
to safety in Switzerland.

His time in the Resistance led to politics - he was briefly a member of
the postwar Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of parliament 
- before beginning militant charity work. 

On Feb. 1, 1954, Abbe Pierre burst into the studios of the French 
national
radio station during a spell of freezing weather. He was allowed to read
his appeal on the air. "My friends, help me!" he shouted. "Let us love
each other just enough to stop this. We need 5,000 blankets and 300 big
tents." Ordinary Parisians flocked to help him. 

Over the decades, he was a constant figure at protests by the poor,
appearing in front of the cameras and microphones to angrily denounce a
system that could not look after them. In one case, he was flown in a
helicopter hired by a television channel to make it to a protest in time
for prime-time news.

But even before the Garaudy episode, Abbe Pierre's high-profile protests
have become increasingly shrill and misdirected. On Bosnia, he gave the
French government instructions for the rescue of prisoners in Serb camps,

advocating the use of paratroopers to take them out while aerial 
bombings
wiped out Serb artillery around Sarajevo. It was, he said, inexcusable 
for
civilians to be massacred, "even if they are Muslims." He later 
apologized
for those words. 

He demanded that the French national anthem "La Marseillaise" should be
rewritten to make it less warlike. During last year's presidential
election campaign, he delivered a public judgment on the man who
eventually won, Jacques Chirac, pronouncing him "incapable of running
France."

In March, Abbe Pierre appeared in a Paris church which 400 African
immigrants had occupied in a campaign opposing residence papers. 
Cardinal
Jean Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, showed the first signs of Church
irritation with Abbe Pierre, asking in a television interview why so 
many
had gathered spontaneously at the same spot. Lustiger said the 
immigrants
were manipulated and their protest could backfire. 

When police eventually evacuated the church, Abbe Pierre accused Prime
Minister Alain Juppe of being "a liar." He said the prime minister had
promised that police would take no action. Such was Abbe Pierre's
popularity that Juppe invited Abbe Pierre to his office for a public
reconciliation.

But by tearing at the scars of a French society rent during World War II
among victims of the German war machine, resisters and collaborators, 
Abbe
Pierre seems on his way to undoing a lifetime of good work. The French
International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has expelled him
>from  its committee of honor. Joseph Sitruk, France's Grand Rabbi, said 
his
behavior displayed the old French Catholic anti-Semitism.

And the weekly L'Express recalled that, railing against the Pope, Abbe
Pierre said the pontiff should have retired at 75. As Abbe Pierre took 
off
for a two-month self-imposed exile from the public scene, L'Express said
the 83-year-old priest "thinks too much about others to the point that 
he
forgets that all well-ordered charity begins at home."


[End]

-- 
******************************************************************
What sort of truth is it that needs protection?  - Auberon Waugh  *
                                                                  *
The London Daily Telegraph, May 9, 1992                           *
*******************************************************************














From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Tue Jun 25 10:31:33 PDT 1996
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06/24/96 Berlin--
APP

Subject: Fags more important than holocaust

Although Pope John Paul II praised four Germans who defied Hitler, 
including a j*wish convert who died at Auschwitz, that was no match for 
the faggots who rioted against him at the notorious Banndenburg Gate. 
Paint-gun pellets splattered against his car. The fags were upset over 
the Vatican's stance against homosexuality.

The Pope was there to beatify 2 priests for their role in German 
Christian history during WWII. He also cited 2 Germans beatified in 1987--
edith STEIN, who converted from j*daism to become a nun, and the Rev. 
Rupert Mayer, a Jesuit Priest who survived the Nazi era.

Some 2,000 fags, led by the j*wish Citizens against racism & Anti-
semitism group, yelled, "Go to hell!" at the Pope, hurled red paint and 
mode filthy hand gestures. One lesbian ran nude into the street. Some 
dressed in Papal vestments and wore huge condoms.
****************************************************
06/24/96
APP

Chastity Bono, lesbian daughter of Cher & Sonny Bono preached grass-roots 
activism to marchers in a weekend gay rights parade. She acted as the 
parade's Grand Marshall in Portland, Oregon. on Saturday. She also works 
for the Human Rights Campaign, the largest homo-j*wish political group in 
the United States.

Bono said she will campaign for Pres. Clinton this year. Her fathere, 
actor turned politician, has opposed homo rights issues.
****************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 01:19 AM

From: Anton                

_Museum teaches officers tolerance_

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A group of Los Angeles County sheriff's recruits make 
their way down a dimly lighted corridor. Whispered epithets spew from 
the
darkness: "Faggot." "Spic." "Jungle Bunny."

Welcome to the "Whisper Galiery," a curving hallway that leads to the 
Simon Wiesenthal Center's Musuem of Tolerance, a $50 million hands-on 
exploration
of racism and hate. Officials are hoping that giving recruits a taste of 
its high-tech exhibits and dramatic re-enactments will make them better
deputies.
              Used for officer training

Law enforcement agencies are mandated by the state to teach cultural 
awareness to their recruits. Most use a state-run program.

But the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department depends primarily on the 
Museum of Tolerance to educate trainees on the nature and origins of
prejudice and discrimination, said sheriff's Sgt. Randy Olson. "We 
recognize that we have a very diverse community and we better get on 
board," he said, referring to the multicultural county that has become 
known as America's new melting pot.

One of more than 100 recruits who recently spent a day of training at the 
museum was 27-year old Leonard Long.

"It made me understand what these people went through," Long said as he 
walked in awe through Holocaust section. "I think this training will help 
me be more tolerant in the field."

                Area tensions addressed

In a region of racial tension -- most recently rocked by the videotaped 
police beatings of Illegal Mexican immigrants -- the need for the museum 
is apperent.

The museum doesn't stop at the Holocaust. A video display is devoted 
exclusively to the causes and consequences of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, 
which left more than 50 dead and caused nearly $1 billion damage.

The recruits wind up their nearly three-hour tour by attending a two-hour 
seminar called "Tools for Tolerance."
***************************************************************
Abbé Pierre and the 8th Deadly Sin: Doubt
slepokuo@cadvision.com

Mystifying Downfall / Onetime hero's new beliefs embarrass France 

By Julian Nundy [Newsday Magazine]

PARIS

AS A BOY in Lyons in the 1920s, Henri Groues used to go with his father 
on
Sunday mornings to shelters for the homeless to wash the feet of the poor.

At other times, his father would tell him to gather up his favorite toys
and the boy would donate them to orphanages. 

Henri's deeply Catholic father hoped to teach his son humility. It was 
the
beginning of a life of piety and devotion to the poor that was, decades
later, to put Henri - known to the public as Abbe Pierre - atop one 
French
popularity poll after another. 

Known for angry outbursts about the fate of the homeless in a consumer
society where the majority lives well, the bearded and bespectacled face
of Abbe Pierre topped by his black beret became synonymous with charity.
Rushing to the side of the unhappy and appealing for help, even when 
aged
and suffering himself from Parkinson's Disease, Abbe Pierre became, for
many, a living saint. 

Until this year, when the national conscience became a national 
embarrassment.
At age 83, Abbe Pierre last month chose to support an old philosopher
friend, Roger Garaudy, who claimed in a recently published book, "The
Founding Myths of the State of Israel," that the extent of the Nazi
extermination of Jews during World War II was exaggerated. 

For French intellectuals there is no greater sin than to join this
"negationist" camp. In fact, it's against French law. Garaudy has been
indicted and awaits trial on charges of "minimizing crimes against
humanity." The more Abbe Pierre tried to explain his gesture - defiantly 
at first,
then more and more apologetically - the more he sank into a quagmire of
his own making. In the early days after his first statement of support 
for
Garaudy, Abbe Pierre admitted he had not read the book. Then he said he
did not know that its publishers specialized in extreme right-wing
literature.

The focus of Abbe Pierre's blind friendship was a dubious one. Garaudy,
82, rose through the ranks of the French Communist Party during its most
Stalinist period. Expelled from the party's Politburo in 1970, he later
converted from his family's Protestant faith to Catholicism and later to
Islam.

In his book, Garaudy says Zionist ideology amounts to "political
exploitation, by a nation which did not exist when these crimes were
committed, of arbitrarily exaggerated figures to try and prove that the
suffering of some was far greater than that of all the others; the fact
that it has become sacred makes us forget other, more dreadful genocides.
"

In a letter to the daily newspaper Le Monde, Abbe Pierre said it was
"quite normal that we were given to exaggerations after the war." Garaudy,

he said, was "a true historian." His comments aroused a storm of protest
in the French media. Later, he was to moderate his statements but said 
he
regretted that a proper debate on the Holocaust could not be held - which,

of course, is a cherished goal of Holocaust deniers. 

The daily Liberation said the negationist historians could "never have
hoped for such a divine surprise." The most famous of them, Robert
Faurisson, who has been banned from teaching history in French
universities, even issued a press statement welcoming Abbe Pierre's
support of his cause.

It is ironic that Abbe Pierre should founder on this issue. During World
War II, unlike many of his countrymen, the young priest, who had entered
the Capuchin monastic order in 1931, was a courageous and active member 
of
the anti-Nazi Resistance. There he acquired the nom de guerre of Abbe
Pierre. In particular, he was part of a network that smuggled French 
Jews
to safety in Switzerland.

His time in the Resistance led to politics - he was briefly a member of
the postwar Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of parliament 
- before beginning militant charity work. 

On Feb. 1, 1954, Abbe Pierre burst into the studios of the French 
national
radio station during a spell of freezing weather. He was allowed to read
his appeal on the air. "My friends, help me!" he shouted. "Let us love
each other just enough to stop this. We need 5,000 blankets and 300 big
tents." Ordinary Parisians flocked to help him. 

Over the decades, he was a constant figure at protests by the poor,
appearing in front of the cameras and microphones to angrily denounce a
system that could not look after them. In one case, he was flown in a
helicopter hired by a television channel to make it to a protest in time
for prime-time news.

But even before the Garaudy episode, Abbe Pierre's high-profile protests
have become increasingly shrill and misdirected. On Bosnia, he gave the
French government instructions for the rescue of prisoners in Serb camps,

advocating the use of paratroopers to take them out while aerial 
bombings
wiped out Serb artillery around Sarajevo. It was, he said, inexcusable 
for
civilians to be massacred, "even if they are Muslims." He later 
apologized
for those words. 

He demanded that the French national anthem "La Marseillaise" should be
rewritten to make it less warlike. During last year's presidential
election campaign, he delivered a public judgment on the man who
eventually won, Jacques Chirac, pronouncing him "incapable of running
France."

In March, Abbe Pierre appeared in a Paris church which 400 African
immigrants had occupied in a campaign opposing residence papers. 
Cardinal
Jean Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, showed the first signs of Church
irritation with Abbe Pierre, asking in a television interview why so 
many
had gathered spontaneously at the same spot. Lustiger said the 
immigrants
were manipulated and their protest could backfire. 

When police eventually evacuated the church, Abbe Pierre accused Prime
Minister Alain Juppe of being "a liar." He said the prime minister had
promised that police would take no action. Such was Abbe Pierre's
popularity that Juppe invited Abbe Pierre to his office for a public
reconciliation.

But by tearing at the scars of a French society rent during World War II
among victims of the German war machine, resisters and collaborators, 
Abbe
Pierre seems on his way to undoing a lifetime of good work. The French
International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has expelled him
>from  its committee of honor. Joseph Sitruk, France's Grand Rabbi, said 
his
behavior displayed the old French Catholic anti-Semitism.

And the weekly L'Express recalled that, railing against the Pope, Abbe
Pierre said the pontiff should have retired at 75. As Abbe Pierre took 
off
for a two-month self-imposed exile from the public scene, L'Express said
the 83-year-old priest "thinks too much about others to the point that 
he
forgets that all well-ordered charity begins at home."


[End]

-- 
******************************************************************
What sort of truth is it that needs protection?  - Auberon Waugh  *
                                                                  *
The London Daily Telegraph, May 9, 1992                           *
*******************************************************************














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06/24/96 Berlin--
APP

Subject: Fags more important than holocaust

Although Pope John Paul II praised four Germans who defied Hitler, 
including a j*wish convert who died at Auschwitz, that was no match for 
the faggots who rioted against him at the notorious Banndenburg Gate. 
Paint-gun pellets splattered against his car. The fags were upset over 
the Vatican's stance against homosexuality.

The Pope was there to beatify 2 priests for their role in German 
Christian history during WWII. He also cited 2 Germans beatified in 1987--
edith STEIN, who converted from j*daism to become a nun, and the Rev. 
Rupert Mayer, a Jesuit Priest who survived the Nazi era.

Some 2,000 fags, led by the j*wish Citizens against racism & Anti-
semitism group, yelled, "Go to hell!" at the Pope, hurled red paint and 
mode filthy hand gestures. One lesbian ran nude into the street. Some 
dressed in Papal vestments and wore huge condoms.
****************************************************
06/24/96
APP

Chastity Bono, lesbian daughter of Cher & Sonny Bono preached grass-roots 
activism to marchers in a weekend gay rights parade. She acted as the 
parade's Grand Marshall in Portland, Oregon. on Saturday. She also works 
for the Human Rights Campaign, the largest homo-j*wish political group in 
the United States.

Bono said she will campaign for Pres. Clinton this year. Her fathere, 
actor turned politician, has opposed homo rights issues.
****************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 01:19 AM

From: Anton                

_Museum teaches officers tolerance_

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A group of Los Angeles County sheriff's recruits make 
their way down a dimly lighted corridor. Whispered epithets spew from 
the
darkness: "Faggot." "Spic." "Jungle Bunny."

Welcome to the "Whisper Galiery," a curving hallway that leads to the 
Simon Wiesenthal Center's Musuem of Tolerance, a $50 million hands-on 
exploration
of racism and hate. Officials are hoping that giving recruits a taste of 
its high-tech exhibits and dramatic re-enactments will make them better
deputies.
              Used for officer training

Law enforcement agencies are mandated by the state to teach cultural 
awareness to their recruits. Most use a state-run program.

But the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department depends primarily on the 
Museum of Tolerance to educate trainees on the nature and origins of
prejudice and discrimination, said sheriff's Sgt. Randy Olson. "We 
recognize that we have a very diverse community and we better get on 
board," he said, referring to the multicultural county that has become 
known as America's new melting pot.

One of more than 100 recruits who recently spent a day of training at the 
museum was 27-year old Leonard Long.

"It made me understand what these people went through," Long said as he 
walked in awe through Holocaust section. "I think this training will help 
me be more tolerant in the field."

                Area tensions addressed

In a region of racial tension -- most recently rocked by the videotaped 
police beatings of Illegal Mexican immigrants -- the need for the museum 
is apperent.

The museum doesn't stop at the Holocaust. A video display is devoted 
exclusively to the causes and consequences of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, 
which left more than 50 dead and caused nearly $1 billion damage.

The recruits wind up their nearly three-hour tour by attending a two-hour 
seminar called "Tools for Tolerance."
***************************************************************
Abbé Pierre and the 8th Deadly Sin: Doubt
slepokuo@cadvision.com

Mystifying Downfall / Onetime hero's new beliefs embarrass France 

By Julian Nundy [Newsday Magazine]

PARIS

AS A BOY in Lyons in the 1920s, Henri Groues used to go with his father 
on
Sunday mornings to shelters for the homeless to wash the feet of the poor.

At other times, his father would tell him to gather up his favorite toys
and the boy would donate them to orphanages. 

Henri's deeply Catholic father hoped to teach his son humility. It was 
the
beginning of a life of piety and devotion to the poor that was, decades
later, to put Henri - known to the public as Abbe Pierre - atop one 
French
popularity poll after another. 

Known for angry outbursts about the fate of the homeless in a consumer
society where the majority lives well, the bearded and bespectacled face
of Abbe Pierre topped by his black beret became synonymous with charity.
Rushing to the side of the unhappy and appealing for help, even when 
aged
and suffering himself from Parkinson's Disease, Abbe Pierre became, for
many, a living saint. 

Until this year, when the national conscience became a national 
embarrassment.
At age 83, Abbe Pierre last month chose to support an old philosopher
friend, Roger Garaudy, who claimed in a recently published book, "The
Founding Myths of the State of Israel," that the extent of the Nazi
extermination of Jews during World War II was exaggerated. 

For French intellectuals there is no greater sin than to join this
"negationist" camp. In fact, it's against French law. Garaudy has been
indicted and awaits trial on charges of "minimizing crimes against
humanity." The more Abbe Pierre tried to explain his gesture - defiantly 
at first,
then more and more apologetically - the more he sank into a quagmire of
his own making. In the early days after his first statement of support 
for
Garaudy, Abbe Pierre admitted he had not read the book. Then he said he
did not know that its publishers specialized in extreme right-wing
literature.

The focus of Abbe Pierre's blind friendship was a dubious one. Garaudy,
82, rose through the ranks of the French Communist Party during its most
Stalinist period. Expelled from the party's Politburo in 1970, he later
converted from his family's Protestant faith to Catholicism and later to
Islam.

In his book, Garaudy says Zionist ideology amounts to "political
exploitation, by a nation which did not exist when these crimes were
committed, of arbitrarily exaggerated figures to try and prove that the
suffering of some was far greater than that of all the others; the fact
that it has become sacred makes us forget other, more dreadful genocides.
"

In a letter to the daily newspaper Le Monde, Abbe Pierre said it was
"quite normal that we were given to exaggerations after the war." Garaudy,

he said, was "a true historian." His comments aroused a storm of protest
in the French media. Later, he was to moderate his statements but said 
he
regretted that a proper debate on the Holocaust could not be held - which,

of course, is a cherished goal of Holocaust deniers. 

The daily Liberation said the negationist historians could "never have
hoped for such a divine surprise." The most famous of them, Robert
Faurisson, who has been banned from teaching history in French
universities, even issued a press statement welcoming Abbe Pierre's
support of his cause.

It is ironic that Abbe Pierre should founder on this issue. During World
War II, unlike many of his countrymen, the young priest, who had entered
the Capuchin monastic order in 1931, was a courageous and active member 
of
the anti-Nazi Resistance. There he acquired the nom de guerre of Abbe
Pierre. In particular, he was part of a network that smuggled French 
Jews
to safety in Switzerland.

His time in the Resistance led to politics - he was briefly a member of
the postwar Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of parliament 
- before beginning militant charity work. 

On Feb. 1, 1954, Abbe Pierre burst into the studios of the French 
national
radio station during a spell of freezing weather. He was allowed to read
his appeal on the air. "My friends, help me!" he shouted. "Let us love
each other just enough to stop this. We need 5,000 blankets and 300 big
tents." Ordinary Parisians flocked to help him. 

Over the decades, he was a constant figure at protests by the poor,
appearing in front of the cameras and microphones to angrily denounce a
system that could not look after them. In one case, he was flown in a
helicopter hired by a television channel to make it to a protest in time
for prime-time news.

But even before the Garaudy episode, Abbe Pierre's high-profile protests
have become increasingly shrill and misdirected. On Bosnia, he gave the
French government instructions for the rescue of prisoners in Serb camps,

advocating the use of paratroopers to take them out while aerial 
bombings
wiped out Serb artillery around Sarajevo. It was, he said, inexcusable 
for
civilians to be massacred, "even if they are Muslims." He later 
apologized
for those words. 

He demanded that the French national anthem "La Marseillaise" should be
rewritten to make it less warlike. During last year's presidential
election campaign, he delivered a public judgment on the man who
eventually won, Jacques Chirac, pronouncing him "incapable of running
France."

In March, Abbe Pierre appeared in a Paris church which 400 African
immigrants had occupied in a campaign opposing residence papers. 
Cardinal
Jean Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, showed the first signs of Church
irritation with Abbe Pierre, asking in a television interview why so 
many
had gathered spontaneously at the same spot. Lustiger said the 
immigrants
were manipulated and their protest could backfire. 

When police eventually evacuated the church, Abbe Pierre accused Prime
Minister Alain Juppe of being "a liar." He said the prime minister had
promised that police would take no action. Such was Abbe Pierre's
popularity that Juppe invited Abbe Pierre to his office for a public
reconciliation.

But by tearing at the scars of a French society rent during World War II
among victims of the German war machine, resisters and collaborators, 
Abbe
Pierre seems on his way to undoing a lifetime of good work. The French
International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has expelled him
>from  its committee of honor. Joseph Sitruk, France's Grand Rabbi, said 
his
behavior displayed the old French Catholic anti-Semitism.

And the weekly L'Express recalled that, railing against the Pope, Abbe
Pierre said the pontiff should have retired at 75. As Abbe Pierre took 
off
for a two-month self-imposed exile from the public scene, L'Express said
the 83-year-old priest "thinks too much about others to the point that 
he
forgets that all well-ordered charity begins at home."


[End]

-- 
******************************************************************
What sort of truth is it that needs protection?  - Auberon Waugh  *
                                                                  *
The London Daily Telegraph, May 9, 1992                           *
*******************************************************************














From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Tue Jun 25 14:29:34 PDT 1996
Article: 45908 of alt.revisionism
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>                   "I make no bones about the fact that the filthy jews
>                      who are the spawn of satan, will be utterly wiped
>          out...every last one of them. You can quote me on that, too."
>                                            Ron Schoedel, November 1995

AMEN

It's interesting to note that the holohuggers are actually the most 
virulent of Nazis in that they spawn more anti-semitism than Hitler on 
his best day.

Sandra



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Tue Jun 25 14:29:34 PDT 1996
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>>Those wishing to read some sound exposition of Jesus' teachings
>>are invited to zoom on over (via that excellent T1 line of ours)
>>to http://www.alaska.net/~schoedel/Studies.html where they will find
>>lots of preaching from Jesus' teachings.

Those wishing to read some enlightening and stunning views of the j*ws on 
Christians are invited to read the Talmud. You will be shocked at what 
these inbred little clansmen think of you.

Sandra



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Tue Jun 25 15:52:40 PDT 1996
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06/24/96 Berlin--
APP

Subject: Fags more important than holocaust

Although Pope John Paul II praised four Germans who defied Hitler, 
including a j*wish convert who died at Auschwitz, that was no match for 
the faggots who rioted against him at the notorious Banndenburg Gate. 
Paint-gun pellets splattered against his car. The fags were upset over 
the Vatican's stance against homosexuality.

The Pope was there to beatify 2 priests for their role in German 
Christian history during WWII. He also cited 2 Germans beatified in 1987--
edith STEIN, who converted from j*daism to become a nun, and the Rev. 
Rupert Mayer, a Jesuit Priest who survived the Nazi era.

Some 2,000 fags, led by the j*wish Citizens against racism & Anti-
semitism group, yelled, "Go to hell!" at the Pope, hurled red paint and 
mode filthy hand gestures. One lesbian ran nude into the street. Some 
dressed in Papal vestments and wore huge condoms.
****************************************************
06/24/96
APP

Chastity Bono, lesbian daughter of Cher & Sonny Bono preached grass-roots 
activism to marchers in a weekend gay rights parade. She acted as the 
parade's Grand Marshall in Portland, Oregon. on Saturday. She also works 
for the Human Rights Campaign, the largest homo-j*wish political group in 
the United States.

Bono said she will campaign for Pres. Clinton this year. Her fathere, 
actor turned politician, has opposed homo rights issues.
****************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 01:19 AM

From: Anton                

_Museum teaches officers tolerance_

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A group of Los Angeles County sheriff's recruits make 
their way down a dimly lighted corridor. Whispered epithets spew from 
the
darkness: "Faggot." "Spic." "Jungle Bunny."

Welcome to the "Whisper Galiery," a curving hallway that leads to the 
Simon Wiesenthal Center's Musuem of Tolerance, a $50 million hands-on 
exploration
of racism and hate. Officials are hoping that giving recruits a taste of 
its high-tech exhibits and dramatic re-enactments will make them better
deputies.
              Used for officer training

Law enforcement agencies are mandated by the state to teach cultural 
awareness to their recruits. Most use a state-run program.

But the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department depends primarily on the 
Museum of Tolerance to educate trainees on the nature and origins of
prejudice and discrimination, said sheriff's Sgt. Randy Olson. "We 
recognize that we have a very diverse community and we better get on 
board," he said, referring to the multicultural county that has become 
known as America's new melting pot.

One of more than 100 recruits who recently spent a day of training at the 
museum was 27-year old Leonard Long.

"It made me understand what these people went through," Long said as he 
walked in awe through Holocaust section. "I think this training will help 
me be more tolerant in the field."

                Area tensions addressed

In a region of racial tension -- most recently rocked by the videotaped 
police beatings of Illegal Mexican immigrants -- the need for the museum 
is apperent.

The museum doesn't stop at the Holocaust. A video display is devoted 
exclusively to the causes and consequences of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, 
which left more than 50 dead and caused nearly $1 billion damage.

The recruits wind up their nearly three-hour tour by attending a two-hour 
seminar called "Tools for Tolerance."
***************************************************************
Abbé Pierre and the 8th Deadly Sin: Doubt
slepokuo@cadvision.com

Mystifying Downfall / Onetime hero's new beliefs embarrass France 

By Julian Nundy [Newsday Magazine]

PARIS

AS A BOY in Lyons in the 1920s, Henri Groues used to go with his father 
on
Sunday mornings to shelters for the homeless to wash the feet of the poor.

At other times, his father would tell him to gather up his favorite toys
and the boy would donate them to orphanages. 

Henri's deeply Catholic father hoped to teach his son humility. It was 
the
beginning of a life of piety and devotion to the poor that was, decades
later, to put Henri - known to the public as Abbe Pierre - atop one 
French
popularity poll after another. 

Known for angry outbursts about the fate of the homeless in a consumer
society where the majority lives well, the bearded and bespectacled face
of Abbe Pierre topped by his black beret became synonymous with charity.
Rushing to the side of the unhappy and appealing for help, even when 
aged
and suffering himself from Parkinson's Disease, Abbe Pierre became, for
many, a living saint. 

Until this year, when the national conscience became a national 
embarrassment.
At age 83, Abbe Pierre last month chose to support an old philosopher
friend, Roger Garaudy, who claimed in a recently published book, "The
Founding Myths of the State of Israel," that the extent of the Nazi
extermination of Jews during World War II was exaggerated. 

For French intellectuals there is no greater sin than to join this
"negationist" camp. In fact, it's against French law. Garaudy has been
indicted and awaits trial on charges of "minimizing crimes against
humanity." The more Abbe Pierre tried to explain his gesture - defiantly 
at first,
then more and more apologetically - the more he sank into a quagmire of
his own making. In the early days after his first statement of support 
for
Garaudy, Abbe Pierre admitted he had not read the book. Then he said he
did not know that its publishers specialized in extreme right-wing
literature.

The focus of Abbe Pierre's blind friendship was a dubious one. Garaudy,
82, rose through the ranks of the French Communist Party during its most
Stalinist period. Expelled from the party's Politburo in 1970, he later
converted from his family's Protestant faith to Catholicism and later to
Islam.

In his book, Garaudy says Zionist ideology amounts to "political
exploitation, by a nation which did not exist when these crimes were
committed, of arbitrarily exaggerated figures to try and prove that the
suffering of some was far greater than that of all the others; the fact
that it has become sacred makes us forget other, more dreadful genocides.
"

In a letter to the daily newspaper Le Monde, Abbe Pierre said it was
"quite normal that we were given to exaggerations after the war." Garaudy,

he said, was "a true historian." His comments aroused a storm of protest
in the French media. Later, he was to moderate his statements but said 
he
regretted that a proper debate on the Holocaust could not be held - which,

of course, is a cherished goal of Holocaust deniers. 

The daily Liberation said the negationist historians could "never have
hoped for such a divine surprise." The most famous of them, Robert
Faurisson, who has been banned from teaching history in French
universities, even issued a press statement welcoming Abbe Pierre's
support of his cause.

It is ironic that Abbe Pierre should founder on this issue. During World
War II, unlike many of his countrymen, the young priest, who had entered
the Capuchin monastic order in 1931, was a courageous and active member 
of
the anti-Nazi Resistance. There he acquired the nom de guerre of Abbe
Pierre. In particular, he was part of a network that smuggled French 
Jews
to safety in Switzerland.

His time in the Resistance led to politics - he was briefly a member of
the postwar Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of parliament 
- before beginning militant charity work. 

On Feb. 1, 1954, Abbe Pierre burst into the studios of the French 
national
radio station during a spell of freezing weather. He was allowed to read
his appeal on the air. "My friends, help me!" he shouted. "Let us love
each other just enough to stop this. We need 5,000 blankets and 300 big
tents." Ordinary Parisians flocked to help him. 

Over the decades, he was a constant figure at protests by the poor,
appearing in front of the cameras and microphones to angrily denounce a
system that could not look after them. In one case, he was flown in a
helicopter hired by a television channel to make it to a protest in time
for prime-time news.

But even before the Garaudy episode, Abbe Pierre's high-profile protests
have become increasingly shrill and misdirected. On Bosnia, he gave the
French government instructions for the rescue of prisoners in Serb camps,

advocating the use of paratroopers to take them out while aerial 
bombings
wiped out Serb artillery around Sarajevo. It was, he said, inexcusable 
for
civilians to be massacred, "even if they are Muslims." He later 
apologized
for those words. 

He demanded that the French national anthem "La Marseillaise" should be
rewritten to make it less warlike. During last year's presidential
election campaign, he delivered a public judgment on the man who
eventually won, Jacques Chirac, pronouncing him "incapable of running
France."

In March, Abbe Pierre appeared in a Paris church which 400 African
immigrants had occupied in a campaign opposing residence papers. 
Cardinal
Jean Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, showed the first signs of Church
irritation with Abbe Pierre, asking in a television interview why so 
many
had gathered spontaneously at the same spot. Lustiger said the 
immigrants
were manipulated and their protest could backfire. 

When police eventually evacuated the church, Abbe Pierre accused Prime
Minister Alain Juppe of being "a liar." He said the prime minister had
promised that police would take no action. Such was Abbe Pierre's
popularity that Juppe invited Abbe Pierre to his office for a public
reconciliation.

But by tearing at the scars of a French society rent during World War II
among victims of the German war machine, resisters and collaborators, 
Abbe
Pierre seems on his way to undoing a lifetime of good work. The French
International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has expelled him
>from  its committee of honor. Joseph Sitruk, France's Grand Rabbi, said 
his
behavior displayed the old French Catholic anti-Semitism.

And the weekly L'Express recalled that, railing against the Pope, Abbe
Pierre said the pontiff should have retired at 75. As Abbe Pierre took 
off
for a two-month self-imposed exile from the public scene, L'Express said
the 83-year-old priest "thinks too much about others to the point that 
he
forgets that all well-ordered charity begins at home."


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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Tue Jun 25 16:47:30 PDT 1996
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>
>	Revisited shall we say.
>
>	I was given the explanation for her being alive to leave Auschwitz was
>that she was 15 and that everyone under that age was exterminated
>immediately.  Any record of anyone younger than that available?  

The Diary... is a fraud, a hoax. In our local library, I have altered the 
index and cards to reflect the truth, ie, it is categorized as 'fiction.'



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Tue Jun 25 16:47:30 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: Dem bones walk again
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>>By the way when are you going to provide someone who says that the 
>>>cranium is, as you stated, one the two bones least likely to be 
>>>destroyed by cremation.  The founder of the International Skeletal 
>>>Society and the author of the standard reference work on bone 
>>>disease, would still like to know.


j*ws are well informed on bone disease, after all, they spread Gaucher's 
and other infection throughout the populace. Perhaps the Very Reverend 
Louis Farrakhan is correct, j*ws invented AIDS.



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06/24/96 Berlin--
APP

Subject: Fags more important than holocaust

Although Pope John Paul II praised four Germans who defied Hitler, 
including a j*wish convert who died at Auschwitz, that was no match for 
the faggots who rioted against him at the notorious Banndenburg Gate. 
Paint-gun pellets splattered against his car. The fags were upset over 
the Vatican's stance against homosexuality.

The Pope was there to beatify 2 priests for their role in German 
Christian history during WWII. He also cited 2 Germans beatified in 1987--
edith STEIN, who converted from j*daism to become a nun, and the Rev. 
Rupert Mayer, a Jesuit Priest who survived the Nazi era.

Some 2,000 fags, led by the j*wish Citizens against racism & Anti-
semitism group, yelled, "Go to hell!" at the Pope, hurled red paint and 
mode filthy hand gestures. One lesbian ran nude into the street. Some 
dressed in Papal vestments and wore huge condoms.
****************************************************
06/24/96
APP

Chastity Bono, lesbian daughter of Cher & Sonny Bono preached grass-roots 
activism to marchers in a weekend gay rights parade. She acted as the 
parade's Grand Marshall in Portland, Oregon. on Saturday. She also works 
for the Human Rights Campaign, the largest homo-j*wish political group in 
the United States.

Bono said she will campaign for Pres. Clinton this year. Her fathere, 
actor turned politician, has opposed homo rights issues.
****************************************************

Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 01:19 AM

From: Anton                

_Museum teaches officers tolerance_

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A group of Los Angeles County sheriff's recruits make 
their way down a dimly lighted corridor. Whispered epithets spew from 
the
darkness: "Faggot." "Spic." "Jungle Bunny."

Welcome to the "Whisper Galiery," a curving hallway that leads to the 
Simon Wiesenthal Center's Musuem of Tolerance, a $50 million hands-on 
exploration
of racism and hate. Officials are hoping that giving recruits a taste of 
its high-tech exhibits and dramatic re-enactments will make them better
deputies.
              Used for officer training

Law enforcement agencies are mandated by the state to teach cultural 
awareness to their recruits. Most use a state-run program.

But the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department depends primarily on the 
Museum of Tolerance to educate trainees on the nature and origins of
prejudice and discrimination, said sheriff's Sgt. Randy Olson. "We 
recognize that we have a very diverse community and we better get on 
board," he said, referring to the multicultural county that has become 
known as America's new melting pot.

One of more than 100 recruits who recently spent a day of training at the 
museum was 27-year old Leonard Long.

"It made me understand what these people went through," Long said as he 
walked in awe through Holocaust section. "I think this training will help 
me be more tolerant in the field."

                Area tensions addressed

In a region of racial tension -- most recently rocked by the videotaped 
police beatings of Illegal Mexican immigrants -- the need for the museum 
is apperent.

The museum doesn't stop at the Holocaust. A video display is devoted 
exclusively to the causes and consequences of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, 
which left more than 50 dead and caused nearly $1 billion damage.

The recruits wind up their nearly three-hour tour by attending a two-hour 
seminar called "Tools for Tolerance."
***************************************************************
Abbé Pierre and the 8th Deadly Sin: Doubt
slepokuo@cadvision.com

Mystifying Downfall / Onetime hero's new beliefs embarrass France 

By Julian Nundy [Newsday Magazine]

PARIS

AS A BOY in Lyons in the 1920s, Henri Groues used to go with his father 
on
Sunday mornings to shelters for the homeless to wash the feet of the poor.

At other times, his father would tell him to gather up his favorite toys
and the boy would donate them to orphanages. 

Henri's deeply Catholic father hoped to teach his son humility. It was 
the
beginning of a life of piety and devotion to the poor that was, decades
later, to put Henri - known to the public as Abbe Pierre - atop one 
French
popularity poll after another. 

Known for angry outbursts about the fate of the homeless in a consumer
society where the majority lives well, the bearded and bespectacled face
of Abbe Pierre topped by his black beret became synonymous with charity.
Rushing to the side of the unhappy and appealing for help, even when 
aged
and suffering himself from Parkinson's Disease, Abbe Pierre became, for
many, a living saint. 

Until this year, when the national conscience became a national 
embarrassment.
At age 83, Abbe Pierre last month chose to support an old philosopher
friend, Roger Garaudy, who claimed in a recently published book, "The
Founding Myths of the State of Israel," that the extent of the Nazi
extermination of Jews during World War II was exaggerated. 

For French intellectuals there is no greater sin than to join this
"negationist" camp. In fact, it's against French law. Garaudy has been
indicted and awaits trial on charges of "minimizing crimes against
humanity." The more Abbe Pierre tried to explain his gesture - defiantly 
at first,
then more and more apologetically - the more he sank into a quagmire of
his own making. In the early days after his first statement of support 
for
Garaudy, Abbe Pierre admitted he had not read the book. Then he said he
did not know that its publishers specialized in extreme right-wing
literature.

The focus of Abbe Pierre's blind friendship was a dubious one. Garaudy,
82, rose through the ranks of the French Communist Party during its most
Stalinist period. Expelled from the party's Politburo in 1970, he later
converted from his family's Protestant faith to Catholicism and later to
Islam.

In his book, Garaudy says Zionist ideology amounts to "political
exploitation, by a nation which did not exist when these crimes were
committed, of arbitrarily exaggerated figures to try and prove that the
suffering of some was far greater than that of all the others; the fact
that it has become sacred makes us forget other, more dreadful genocides.
"

In a letter to the daily newspaper Le Monde, Abbe Pierre said it was
"quite normal that we were given to exaggerations after the war." Garaudy,

he said, was "a true historian." His comments aroused a storm of protest
in the French media. Later, he was to moderate his statements but said 
he
regretted that a proper debate on the Holocaust could not be held - which,

of course, is a cherished goal of Holocaust deniers. 

The daily Liberation said the negationist historians could "never have
hoped for such a divine surprise." The most famous of them, Robert
Faurisson, who has been banned from teaching history in French
universities, even issued a press statement welcoming Abbe Pierre's
support of his cause.

It is ironic that Abbe Pierre should founder on this issue. During World
War II, unlike many of his countrymen, the young priest, who had entered
the Capuchin monastic order in 1931, was a courageous and active member 
of
the anti-Nazi Resistance. There he acquired the nom de guerre of Abbe
Pierre. In particular, he was part of a network that smuggled French 
Jews
to safety in Switzerland.

His time in the Resistance led to politics - he was briefly a member of
the postwar Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of parliament 
- before beginning militant charity work. 

On Feb. 1, 1954, Abbe Pierre burst into the studios of the French 
national
radio station during a spell of freezing weather. He was allowed to read
his appeal on the air. "My friends, help me!" he shouted. "Let us love
each other just enough to stop this. We need 5,000 blankets and 300 big
tents." Ordinary Parisians flocked to help him. 

Over the decades, he was a constant figure at protests by the poor,
appearing in front of the cameras and microphones to angrily denounce a
system that could not look after them. In one case, he was flown in a
helicopter hired by a television channel to make it to a protest in time
for prime-time news.

But even before the Garaudy episode, Abbe Pierre's high-profile protests
have become increasingly shrill and misdirected. On Bosnia, he gave the
French government instructions for the rescue of prisoners in Serb camps,

advocating the use of paratroopers to take them out while aerial 
bombings
wiped out Serb artillery around Sarajevo. It was, he said, inexcusable 
for
civilians to be massacred, "even if they are Muslims." He later 
apologized
for those words. 

He demanded that the French national anthem "La Marseillaise" should be
rewritten to make it less warlike. During last year's presidential
election campaign, he delivered a public judgment on the man who
eventually won, Jacques Chirac, pronouncing him "incapable of running
France."

In March, Abbe Pierre appeared in a Paris church which 400 African
immigrants had occupied in a campaign opposing residence papers. 
Cardinal
Jean Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, showed the first signs of Church
irritation with Abbe Pierre, asking in a television interview why so 
many
had gathered spontaneously at the same spot. Lustiger said the 
immigrants
were manipulated and their protest could backfire. 

When police eventually evacuated the church, Abbe Pierre accused Prime
Minister Alain Juppe of being "a liar." He said the prime minister had
promised that police would take no action. Such was Abbe Pierre's
popularity that Juppe invited Abbe Pierre to his office for a public
reconciliation.

But by tearing at the scars of a French society rent during World War II
among victims of the German war machine, resisters and collaborators, 
Abbe
Pierre seems on his way to undoing a lifetime of good work. The French
International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has expelled him
>from  its committee of honor. Joseph Sitruk, France's Grand Rabbi, said 
his
behavior displayed the old French Catholic anti-Semitism.

And the weekly L'Express recalled that, railing against the Pope, Abbe
Pierre said the pontiff should have retired at 75. As Abbe Pierre took 
off
for a two-month self-imposed exile from the public scene, L'Express said
the 83-year-old priest "thinks too much about others to the point that 
he
forgets that all well-ordered charity begins at home."


[End]

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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Wed Jun 26 09:46:56 PDT 1996
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>But you didn't answer the question, Anna. What makes this
>company "Jewish?"

j*w Chairman [EISNER]
     j*w personnel director [everyone hired over the position of toilet 
cleaner is      a PIG]
j*w philosophy [bash those Christians(Miramax _PRIEST_)]
                         [promote anti-family values (benefits provided 
for faggots'                          mates)]
j*w theft [stockholders' money goes to israel & zionist causes (plant 
trees in       Jerusalem)]
j*w philanthropy [do unto others ,but with Gentile & Black corporate 
funds/finances]





From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Wed Jun 26 16:44:08 PDT 1996
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ruthsommer@aol.com (RuthSommer) wrote:
>
>I heard about what happened to Abbe Pierre.  This person was one of the
>most popular
>people in France: respected, honored, admired.
>Then, because he dared to support a friend of his who authored a book 
that
>dared to question the Holocaust, he instantly fell into contempt, was 
dishonored, and hated.
>It was so bad that he went off to a monastery to escape the massive
>attacks on him.
>
>What does this say about the Holocaust?  If you doubt it, you are
>committing a cardinal sin.  Isn't it just a part of history like any 
other?  Why can't people have different opinions about it?  And in 
Pierre's case, he didn't even express the opinions doubting the Holocaust 
so much as he merely supported a friend of his' right to express such 
opinions.

Since the alleged holocaust is a fraud perpetrated against the peoples of 
the World, the j*ws CANNOT afford the luxury of having anyone questioning 
it.

They must make it an indelible 'fact' before the year AD2010, since, as 
the WIESENTHAL Center for Anarchy said, "There won't be any eyewitnesses 
left in 15 years." They count on so-called 'eyewitnesses' as 
documentation of their fraud; without them the holocaust will go up in 
smoke [no pun intended].

Sandra



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 put a few jews in there, you kikes ought 
>> > to be used to fire by now. 
>> 
>> Cool idea, dude!  
>> 
>> Be sure to let me know the time, date & place.
>> 
>> Me & my friends,  Fred, Bob & Iggy,  wanna come & watch.


Anna & bobby want to watch, too. Can we light the first match as a 
jesture of good faith??

Sandra



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>How do you figure, when thousands of non-Whites are arriving daily into
>>this nation?
>
>1) Most aren't arriving legally; 2) More whites than non-whites
>emigrate here.  Most illegals I meet are Irish.

More of little andy's lies. Note: "Most illegals I meet are Irish." This 
more than implies he meets many illegals.

Where do you meet them?
Who introduces you to them?
How do you meet them?
Under what circumstances are they met?
How is it that you meet so many Irish Nationals illegally here?

No...... a Zion PIG will always be a PIG.

If your statement had any merit, you & your j*w SWINE brothers would be 
in the middle of the plot to help the illegals arrive here.

Sandra



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>>I can only suggest that people look at the photos and decide
>>for themselves. As for Giwer, it's quite obvious he's soon going
>>to claim that the people in the Belsen photographs are not
>>really dead. That's how he gets his kicks. 

My understanding is that it was a scene from the movie  _Jews On The 
Move_.



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Wed Jun 26 16:44:11 PDT 1996
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	Anyone want to explain this one?  
>
>" It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical appliances 
were
>built in for mass
>extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were being
>led to the bath-house, the
>doomed were undressed and then driven to the building where the floor
>was electrified in a
>special way; there they were killed. "
>IMT VII - p.576-577. 

Gee, and to think I was misled to believe they were gassed. We now not 
only have 6,000,000, but we have 6,000,000  DIFFERENT ways in which they 
were killed. The whole thing smells of fraud & deceit, which is why 
crematoriums are used....to prevent the stench and spread of contagion.

So what else is new?

Sandra






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># Yes, Matt, he's so excited. Probably masterbating in front of # 
pictures
>>of holocaust victims.
>> 
>>"masterbating"? Is that a new word?
>
>Any word of more than two syllables is new to this creature, Danny.
>> 
>>Maybe "master baiting"?

Only typos are inadvertant.

"master bater" [baiter]: Noun, chief rebbi on fishing boat; use of 
foreskins to troll.

Sandra



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Fri Jun 28 20:50:56 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: *more on Australian bans 2
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Subject: Australian Gun Ban

Gi'day...

    Well, I  thought  I'd  seen  everything  in this "debate" over 
firearms
    legislation.   But  I was shocked even further last night.  It's been 
a
    little  source of wonderment to me over the past couple of days - 
"What
    will  the  media  do  to try and reduce the impact of 70,000 to 100,
000
    pro-gun 'extremists' on the streets of Melbourne last Saturday?"

    Well, the  first  little  inkling  came  on  my  way  to work on 
Monday
    morning.   Firstly, the Sydney Morning Herald published the figures 
for
    the  number  of  people  at the weekend rallies : they published 10,
000
    fewer  than the police estimate for the pro-gun rally, and added 33% 
to
    the number estimated at the Sydney anti-gun rally.

    On the  (state run) radio was Jennie Brockie, just back from a week 
off
    ill.  Well, she started by indicating that she was going to talk to 
the
    Gun  Control  mob  to find out "how they are going to get more of 
their
    supporters  out  on  the  street".   Presumably  by using her own 
radio
    station, I guess.

    But last  night  the  sh*t  really  hit  the  fan.   Firstly, the 
Chief
    Minister  of  the  Northern  Territory,  Shane Stone, came on the 
radio
    swearing  that  the "gun lobby" weren't going to get political power 
in
    this country.  Politicians must stand to together and not allow it.  
He
    also  called  for  politicians  around  the country to rush through 
the
    legislation that will enable the gun laws in the states.

    Then it  got interesting.  He accused the organizations from 
Saturday's
    march  of  being  infiltrated  by the National Front (some neo-nazi 
mob
    with  UK  origins  -  I  haven't  heard  of  them  in Oz for ages).  
He
    recognized the "symbols, banners and flags" of extremist 
organizations.
    He  then  went to insinuate that all the 70,000-100,000 people 
marching
    were  being  led  by  right  wing  extremists,  they were being used 
by
    political  agitators, they were being duped.  "They want conflict, 
they
    thrive on it" etc etc

    Even the  ABC  interviewer  couldn't  let  this  slide (must be still 
a
    slight  modicum of professionalism left in the media).  He was asked 
to
    confirm  that  he  was  saying  that  all those people were 
extremists,
    stupid,  neo  nazi's etc etc - He back tracked, but only a little.  
Lots
    of  guilt  by  association  -  he  finally ended up with a warning 
that
    people should be very careful whom they are mixing with.

    Then it   was  onto  the  leader  of  the  Nationals  (third,  
slightly
    right-wing  party  in Oz).  His name is Tim Fischer, from Victoria, 
and
    he's  a weak, ineffectual man - his nickname is "Two Minute Tim" - 
from
    his  attention  span.  The National party have been bagged by the 
media
    for years as being red-neck and everything non-PC under the sun.  A 
bit
    of truth in it, this party certainly attracts some "characters".

    Tim Fischer  has  been moving to the left in recent years.  He's 
trying
    to  play  the  PC  game - put a nice caring leftie face on their 
mostly
    rightist social agenda.  This is a VERY difficult game to play, but 
the
    media  like  the new age Nationals, and it isolates the more 
outrageous
    ones, and this allows more targeted witch-hunts against them.

    What Tim  Fischer said beggars description.  I haven't been so upset 
at
    the  political  "process" in this country EVER!! He went on to say 
that
    he  was  SICK  of all the emotional arguments against the gun laws.  
He
    claimed  that the laws were basically nothing, and that everybody 
would
    get to keep their guns.  He said that people were being told mis-
truths
    and that they should become aware of the facts before reacting.

    (How can  the  new  gun  laws  be "tough" and "comprehensive" but 
will
not
    affect   anyone?   This   self-contradictory   statement   escaped  
the
    interviewer - although this morning he said that it would mainly 
affect
    Sydney  and Melbourne, and mostly country people wouldn't be 
affected).

    He launched into an almost irrational rant.  People must read the 
laws,
    and  they  would  understand.   Too much emotion!! Must stop using 
this
    word "disarmament" - there would still be guns around.  [This is when 
I
    got  mad  -  I have read ALL the outputs on these changes, and they 
are
    DESIGNED  to  take  away as many guns as possible.  It *SAYS* so in 
the
    preamble.   I'm  informed!  I've read 'em! And I still don't like 'em,

    but Tim reckons I'm stupid!]

    Then it started to dawn on me! This man is in a state of *PANIC* - 
he's
    under  incredible  strain - you could hear it.  Then he went right 
over
    the  top.  He accused all those nice people in Melbourne on Saturday 
of
    being infiltrated by the American extremist led by...

                                 LaRouche!!!

    It's all their fault.  Training camps in the USA, literature coming 
into
    the  country,  infiltration of the "gun lobby" - he knows that there 
are
    two   people  a  year  going  for  training.   Then  lots  of  guilt  
by
    association.   He then, with the interviewer, refers to all the 
marchers
    as  "extremists".  This is 70,000-100,000 people we are talking of 
here.
    I  thought  the  definition of "extremist" was that you had to be on 
the
    fringe? I guess not, not in Australia, 1996 onwards...

    Well, I  think  this  is a sign of desperation.  And this morning, 
some
    CRACKS  are appearing! The National party is going to tear itself 
apart
    over  this  issue.   We  already  have one local member who are 
talking
    defection,  others are having severe doubts - now I know why Tim was 
so
    irrational.   The pollies are trying to bluff it out, but there must 
be
    incredible pressure building out there.

    And the Sydney rally hasn't even been held yet - it's on the 15th 
June.
    Unfortunately,  there's  a gun show on the same weekend - I bet 
they'll
    ban  it  when  the pollies find out - "People dealing in illegal 
guns".
    But  the  Premier  has  already  somehow got a regulation signed to 
ban
    sales  in  the  "to  be  prohibited" firearms - I don't think he 
needed
    parliament.

    This morning,  one  National  Party  member of the state parliament 
was
    openly  questioning  the  new laws.  The ABC presenter, Phillip 
Clarke,
    was  trying to shut him down, but he basically said - "These people 
are
    engaged  in  lawful  activity,  and they deserve to be represented.  
I
    enjoy  the  shooting  sports,  I'm not a hypocrite on this issue, and 
I
    *WILL*  represent  their  views - you have no right to deny them 
that".
    Seems   like  there  is  still  some  honor  left  in  that  
miserable
    profession.

    And in  reply,  good  old  Prof.   Simon  Chapman came on the line.  
He
    started  another  rant about infiltration by extremists.  It seems 
that
    this time the infiltration of the Sporting Shooters was the fault of..


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Subject: Australian Gun Ban

Gi'day...

    Well, I  thought  I'd  seen  everything  in this "debate" over 
firearms
    legislation.   But  I was shocked even further last night.  It's been 
a
    little  source of wonderment to me over the past couple of days - 
"What
    will  the  media  do  to try and reduce the impact of 70,000 to 100,
000
    pro-gun 'extremists' on the streets of Melbourne last Saturday?"

    Well, the  first  little  inkling  came  on  my  way  to work on 
Monday
    morning.   Firstly, the Sydney Morning Herald published the figures 
for
    the  number  of  people  at the weekend rallies : they published 10,
000
    fewer  than the police estimate for the pro-gun rally, and added 33% 
to
    the number estimated at the Sydney anti-gun rally.

    On the  (state run) radio was Jennie Brockie, just back from a week 
off
    ill.  Well, she started by indicating that she was going to talk to 
the
    Gun  Control  mob  to find out "how they are going to get more of 
their
    supporters  out  on  the  street".   Presumably  by using her own 
radio
    station, I guess.

    But last  night  the  sh*t  really  hit  the  fan.   Firstly, the 
Chief
    Minister  of  the  Northern  Territory,  Shane Stone, came on the 
radio
    swearing  that  the "gun lobby" weren't going to get political power 
in
    this country.  Politicians must stand to together and not allow it.  
He
    also  called  for  politicians  around  the country to rush through 
the
    legislation that will enable the gun laws in the states.

    Then it  got interesting.  He accused the organizations from 
Saturday's
    march  of  being  infiltrated  by the National Front (some neo-nazi 
mob
    with  UK  origins  -  I  haven't  heard  of  them  in Oz for ages).  
He
    recognized the "symbols, banners and flags" of extremist 
organizations.
    He  then  went to insinuate that all the 70,000-100,000 people 
marching
    were  being  led  by  right  wing  extremists,  they were being used 
by
    political  agitators, they were being duped.  "They want conflict, 
they
    thrive on it" etc etc

    Even the  ABC  interviewer  couldn't  let  this  slide (must be still 
a
    slight  modicum of professionalism left in the media).  He was asked 
to
    confirm  that  he  was  saying  that  all those people were 
extremists,
    stupid,  neo  nazi's etc etc - He back tracked, but only a little.  
Lots
    of  guilt  by  association  -  he  finally ended up with a warning 
that
    people should be very careful whom they are mixing with.

    Then it   was  onto  the  leader  of  the  Nationals  (third,  
slightly
    right-wing  party  in Oz).  His name is Tim Fischer, from Victoria, 
and
    he's  a weak, ineffectual man - his nickname is "Two Minute Tim" - 
from
    his  attention  span.  The National party have been bagged by the 
media
    for years as being red-neck and everything non-PC under the sun.  A 
bit
    of truth in it, this party certainly attracts some "characters".

    Tim Fischer  has  been moving to the left in recent years.  He's 
trying
    to  play  the  PC  game - put a nice caring leftie face on their 
mostly
    rightist social agenda.  This is a VERY difficult game to play, but 
the
    media  like  the new age Nationals, and it isolates the more 
outrageous
    ones, and this allows more targeted witch-hunts against them.

    What Tim  Fischer said beggars description.  I haven't been so upset 
at
    the  political  "process" in this country EVER!! He went on to say 
that
    he  was  SICK  of all the emotional arguments against the gun laws.  
He
    claimed  that the laws were basically nothing, and that everybody 
would
    get to keep their guns.  He said that people were being told mis-
truths
    and that they should become aware of the facts before reacting.

    (How can  the  new  gun  laws  be "tough" and "comprehensive" but 
will
not
    affect   anyone?   This   self-contradictory   statement   escaped  
the
    interviewer - although this morning he said that it would mainly 
affect
    Sydney  and Melbourne, and mostly country people wouldn't be 
affected).

    He launched into an almost irrational rant.  People must read the 
laws,
    and  they  would  understand.   Too much emotion!! Must stop using 
this
    word "disarmament" - there would still be guns around.  [This is when 
I
    got  mad  -  I have read ALL the outputs on these changes, and they 
are
    DESIGNED  to  take  away as many guns as possible.  It *SAYS* so in 
the
    preamble.   I'm  informed!  I've read 'em! And I still don't like 'em,

    but Tim reckons I'm stupid!]

    Then it started to dawn on me! This man is in a state of *PANIC* - 
he's
    under  incredible  strain - you could hear it.  Then he went right 
over
    the  top.  He accused all those nice people in Melbourne on Saturday 
of
    being infiltrated by the American extremist led by...

                                 LaRouche!!!

    It's all their fault.  Training camps in the USA, literature coming 
into
    the  country,  infiltration of the "gun lobby" - he knows that there 
are
    two   people  a  year  going  for  training.   Then  lots  of  guilt  
by
    association.   He then, with the interviewer, refers to all the 
marchers
    as  "extremists".  This is 70,000-100,000 people we are talking of 
here.
    I  thought  the  definition of "extremist" was that you had to be on 
the
    fringe? I guess not, not in Australia, 1996 onwards...

    Well, I  think  this  is a sign of desperation.  And this morning, 
some
    CRACKS  are appearing! The National party is going to tear itself 
apart
    over  this  issue.   We  already  have one local member who are 
talking
    defection,  others are having severe doubts - now I know why Tim was 
so
    irrational.   The pollies are trying to bluff it out, but there must 
be
    incredible pressure building out there.

    And the Sydney rally hasn't even been held yet - it's on the 15th 
June.
    Unfortunately,  there's  a gun show on the same weekend - I bet 
they'll
    ban  it  when  the pollies find out - "People dealing in illegal 
guns".
    But  the  Premier  has  already  somehow got a regulation signed to 
ban
    sales  in  the  "to  be  prohibited" firearms - I don't think he 
needed
    parliament.

    This morning,  one  National  Party  member of the state parliament 
was
    openly  questioning  the  new laws.  The ABC presenter, Phillip 
Clarke,
    was  trying to shut him down, but he basically said - "These people 
are
    engaged  in  lawful  activity,  and they deserve to be represented.  
I
    enjoy  the  shooting  sports,  I'm not a hypocrite on this issue, and 
I
    *WILL*  represent  their  views - you have no right to deny them 
that".
    Seems   like  there  is  still  some  honor  left  in  that  
miserable
    profession.

    And in  reply,  good  old  Prof.   Simon  Chapman came on the line.  
He
    started  another  rant about infiltration by extremists.  It seems 
that
    this time the infiltration of the Sporting Shooters was the fault of..



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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Question Six
>------------
>
>   On June 19, 1996, Ms. Manicka told the following whopper:


You are the fabricator. There exist here at Hohenhousen Guild NO Ms 
Manicka, no Anna and no Bobby. You are, therefore, riddled with delusion 
to address us as such. Perhaps in your confusion, you can provide 
justification for these names? Perhaps you are confused after the 
invention of 6,000,000 names. Perhaps it is just a habit with j*ws? 
Perhpas you are pretending to be a j*w, as your writings create more anti-
semitism than any others since your debut on NGs. Is there any semitic 
blood in your veins? Can you trace your family tree through all that 
Eastern European inbreeding?



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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Thanks for that explanation of memory, "Sandra."
>
>-rich
> http://www.c2.org/~rich/

Thanks for the 'memory' of my name. Your pal at Nitzcor invents names. He 
calls me Anna and the Dr. he calls bobby.  We forgive him, though, 
realizing that after inventing the names of 6,000,000 it has now become a 
habit for him.





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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Pagan inbreeding results are in
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Subject: Inbreeding and birth defects
APP 06/27/96

The story begins....."Born with 3 birth defects--his stomach wall never 
closed completely, his lungs compressed by fluid and his diaphragm 
protruding through a tear in his abdominal wall--he has been in & out of 
hospitals for 15 of his 18 months of life and has had 10 surgeries...."

Little baby jacob STEINHAUER is the product of centuries of inbreeding. 
He may, however, be the savior of the havoc his people have been 
wreacking upon the rest of mankind for all of those centuries. Unless 
j*ws 
stop their barbaric, ritualistic behavior, there simply won't be any of 
them around.

Inbreeding has also caused a general reduction in immunity factors within 
the j*wish population as a whole, leading to a substantial increase in 
communicable contagion. The net result is that the herd is in trouble, in 
jeopardy of annihilation if they don't reach beyond their own community 
for marriage. Perhaps this is why, according to the latest figures 
released by Hadassah, male j*ws are leaving the fold at the rate of 48% 
to find mates through inter-marriage. Hadassah, however, is disturbed by 
these figures, so much so that they have inaugurated hit-squads to kidnap 
j*wish youths who become engaged to Gentiles or Blacks. These young 
people are taken to the head rebbi for re-indoctrination. 

Doctors are scurrying not only to find cures, but to find temporary 
relief for the victims. Many of the genetic diseases are extremely 
painful. Untried treatments for these diseases run the gammut from 
illegal drug infusions to hyper-baric/oxygen maintenence.

"Unless new resources are found", laments Dr. levy EPSTEIN, " the future 
is unsure." 

We don't lament with him, nor do we sympathize. This author would suggest 
that the 'cure' lies in adopting a life-style more in keeping with 
civilized people.

For a listing of j*wish genetic diseases, log onto:

The Genetic-Disease E-Mail Discussion List at:

http://q.continuum.net/~wrosen/list.html

AArdvark

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Subject: make no $$$$ at Auschwitz
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_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.
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___French Education Minister Investigates Holocaust Question on School 
Test_
(ANA)

Francois Bayrou, France's Education Minister, began disciplinary 
proceedings
today (6/4/96) against a chemistry teacher who asked her class on a test 
to
calculate how much carbon monoxide was needed to kill jews during the
"holocaust."  The question read:  "Hitler killed jews by locking them in
trucks with the exhaust fumes fed inside.  With a truck volume of 50 
cubic
meters, what volume of carbon monoxide does it take to reach the fatal 
ratio
of five per 1,000?  If people took on average 20 minutes to die, what 
volume
of carbon monoxide did the engine produce per hour?" Bayrou said on a 
radio
interview that he has "launched proceedings and that will no doubt be
accompanied by a suspension while we wait for the disciplinary board to
intervene.  There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way,
which belong to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as
sacred.  It is intolerable to raise them in this way."  The teacher, who
reportedly is a jew, said that she had given the same test in recent 
years
and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and revisionist theories
about it.

   -----

Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
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==========================================================================


_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.







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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Date: Sunday, 02-Jun-96 09:45 AM

By: Jim Floyd: (jimfloyd@cneti.com)

Subject: Hail Benny! Hell Yes!

JAMES FLOYD on Benny Yahoo
In Swift's,'Gulliver's Travels', a Yahoo was "one of a race of brutes." 
How
utterly appropriate! The young 'war-stud', Benyamin Netanyahoo, as 
Israel's
new Prime Minister  has vowed to get "tougher" with the enemies of his
tribe. In this supposably  enlightened time we have watched two men vie 
for
the leadership of the  bastard State of Israel by, in the case of Benny
Yahoo, promising to kill  more babies and in the case of Peres, 
deliberately
slaughtering innocent  children to prove himself the more bloodthirsty.
Peres knew and felt the  Gogic hate which so impregnates these beastly
little voters and pandered to  their debased, yes innate, murderous 
nature.
What we have here is a  traditional campaign strategy using barbarous 
war
crimes to garner votes.  This strategy is as banal as it is evil - the 
dead
old terrorist Menachem  Begin did the same vile things trying to corner 
the
'dead-baby-vote'. Peres  killed 149 unarmed civilians and only 13 
Hezbollah
freedom-fighters in 16  days of unmanly, grossly uneven combat. Sick!  
The
'genocide-deniers' in the U.S. press and in the Clinton Administration  
know
full well that behind Netanyahu stands fanatical Rabbis and an array of 
Marxist/Zionist, butchering, thugs such as Ariel Sharon; people who 
should 
have long ago been dragged before a world tribunal, convicted of crimes 
against humanity and hanged. Does it really make a difference who is 
Prime 
Minister? The Palestinian Holocaust will continue - costing America what 

little there is left of its honor and placing one dastardly black mark 
after
the other upon our sullied historical entanglements with these Khazars. 
It
may disappoint you, Mr. Netanyau, but there are some Palestinian/Lebanese 

children whom you can no longer terrify.  They are those the Israeli 
helicopter mangled when they fired their rockets into that ambulance at a 
UN
 checkpoint-that dear mother and all seven of her children, (one only 
four 
days old), killed in their home and those victims of Pere's final 
solution 
in the UN compound at Kana where he mutilated 92 men, women, and precious 

children-these are now in God's arms and out of reach of your filthy 
hands.Peres sent 13,000 artillery rounds, 1,200 air strikes, and other 
horrors against mostly civilian targets;and Benny you have promised to 
do
more?

"I want to congratulate you, Mr. Prime Minister, for a job well done in 
Lebanon'.
      -- Bill Clinton with AIPAC bosses to a smiling Shimon Peres

The next article will be directed at brain-dead, so-called Christians and 

will detail the lineage of Benny Yahoo who was hailed yesterday as "King 
of
Israel". Travel with this writer back to the shores of the Azov where 
Benny's ancient Khazaric grandmothers would squat, show their vaginas and 

giggle. Help me destroy the second greatest heresy of this century.

cc:  Israeli Embassy,fax #202-364-5500
     White House, fax#202-456-2461
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6/28/96
Munich, Germany

In love with death camps, the curators of the former Dachau concentration 
facility have again begun additional reconstruction. The year-long 
project will restore a jail, bunkers and the front iron gate. Plans for 
the renovations were announced yesterday. A wing of the main building 
will be dedicated to exhibits on Nazi procedures.
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From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sat Jun 29 13:21:32 PDT 1996
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>The "Chinese Shoes" fraud, perhaps, with respect to the USHMM?
>You remember that one, don't you, Anna? You claimed that the
>shoe display at the Museum contained Chinese shoes from 1955?
>I flew to the Museum to check, but I guess they hid those
>Chinese 1955 shoes, Anna, because I couldn't locate them...
>funny thing, that.

Only patent leather glistens more than the finest of polished cowhide. 
I'm sure they let you go through all those smelly shoes, no??



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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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>>	More than a religion, the Museum is motivated as a means of
>>>instilling guilt,\
>
>>Really? how's that. Please explain how they make you feel guilty.

For one thing, it is used to instill guilt in trainees for the police 
department, or haven't you read about the 'whispering hall'?



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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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I'm not Jewish so you are wrong here. I also question aspects of the
>Holocuast, but not the obviousness of the holocuast. Usually only
>unread imbeciles think the holocuast is a fraud. 

Not so. One can believe in the so-called holocaust, but realize that 
there could never have been 6,000,000 killed. Wake up & smell the scam.



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>>Ahhhhh, learn to use the browser. the links expand and the lists 
progress 
>>to reveal a multitude of infections prevalent to j*ws and those who 
would 
>>have sex with them. Included, of course, are the genetic mutations 
which 
>>j*ws are blessed with for fornicating with their mothers & sisters. 
>
>I must have missed the part where it mentions Jews having sex
>with their mothers and sisters, Anna... are you projecting
>again?


The part where j*ws fornicate with their mothers, sisters [and yes, first 
cousins} is the REASON for the high genetic trauma to the j*wish 
ethnicity. 
You always forget about Crown Heights' Hassidic rebbi who married his 
first cousin, don't you? Lets be fair, though, any j*w with NO SEMETIC 
blood is in fact a false j*w. What is YOUR ethnic root, Kulak?



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>>>to reveal a multitude of infections prevalent to j*ws and those who 
>would 
>>>have sex with them. Included, of course, are the genetic mutations 
>which 
>>>j*ws are blessed with for fornicating with their mothers & sisters. 
>>
>>I must have missed the part where it mentions Jews having sex
>>with their mothers and sisters, Anna... are you projecting
>>again?
>

No projection at all. Who could fathom a disgusting picture like someone 
screwing your mama?  What is the name of the whore who gave birth to you?

What is the name of the man who raped her? We have ways to make you talk.



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* I am an admirer of Adolf Hitler.  I embrace National Socialism.  I
>* would do so even if the Holocaust *were* fact, which I honestly
>* believe it is not.  I would do so even if Hitler and his system
>* had killed *60* million Jews.
> 
>
>
>That says it all. This is the best summary of the "revisionist
>argument".
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

Suddenly you are relying on 'evidence' supplied by someone whose previous 
testimony you called vicious lies?



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>Bernie Farber responds:
>
>Who could blame you for not betting more than a dime.

In 1944 Germany, one thin dime could buy a lot of gas, pal.



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> 
>Please tell me this isn't true. Bernie Farber participating in a
>democratic forum that he campaigns to shut down. Exercising his right 
to
>ridicule those whom he despises. Actually conversing with a purveyor of
>illegal hate speech. There must be some law being broken here somewhere.

>I'm shocked and dismayed. Where's Attorney General Harnick when we need 
him?

Remember, j*ws have [always] a different agenda than the rest of mankind, 
which is why they are so despised. They are bastians of 'free speech' as 
long as that speech is vile, anti-Christian or Islam, decadent, etc.  
When it comes to expressing oneself in reference to a j*w, they cannot 
rationally respond and suddenly call for censorship. They are the 'chosen 
pigs'. 
See the WIESENTHAL web-site or read the Talm*d for further evidence.

Sandra



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come on people, it's one big world, we should make the best of it 
together!
>
>
An admiral idea. However, as long as one j*w remains to scourge society, 
alas, it cannot be. 



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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>
>Question:
>	The reason the Jews are so avid in bellowing the Holocaust story
>is:
>
>	A: So that the world will know the horrors of bigotry and malice?
>
>	B: To instill guilt, justify Zionist policies and to extort
>money.

Uh...
Durrrr......lessee, now.

B? 



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 09:36:01 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: Germany vs. US
Date: 25 Jun 1996 09:26:22 GMT
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> 
>> While I agree that the Axis powers quite righteously got their ass
>> kicked, and deserved to, you are wrong that Germany is the -sole- 
cause
>> of war in Europe. 

The proper cause of WWII was the reckless financial devastation of 
Germany by our j*wish brethern.



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 09:36:02 PDT 1996
Article: 46983 of alt.revisionism
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust final exam
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So, how is it that "stupidity" is the source of all historical study of 
>the Holocaust?  That claim seems even sillier than the extremely silly 
>claim that the established history is a hoax...

Herein lies the point-in-fact: the alleged holohoax IS NOT NOW NOR EVER 
HAS BEEN an 'established history'. The head rebbi of Great Britain said 
so hiss'n self!

Sandra



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 09:36:02 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: Burn a few jews
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>
>>Anna & bobby want to watch, too. Can we light the first match as a
>>jesture of good faith??
>
>Why is it that so few of you losers can spell properly?


We're not afraid of typos. Notice the j*w-lovers attack the poster's 
spelling when they have nothing of merit with which to respond.



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 09:36:03 PDT 1996
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>I see you are a gutless wonder too. Afraid to show who you are posting
>to? I recall writing the above and I don't see my name anywhere here.
>Are you terrorized that I might get back to you?
>
>BTW, cannibalism was not anywhere mentioned in the discussion. If you
>have proof of this libel I suggest you present it.

A]   I am not a programmer. If Usenets doesn't continue the headers upon  
     partial reposts, send THEM a letter.

B] Go FUCK yourself, asshole.

C] Ever heard of 'free speech'? Some people will respond to you 'outside' 
the     law you so proudly hide behind.




From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 09:36:04 PDT 1996
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
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Subject: Re: Dem bones walk again
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>I eagerly await an answer because then I can tell the library here that
>>they must replace the thirty or so anatomy texts (all by different 
authors
>>and some in the rare books archives or on microfiche) because they
>>all clearly indicate more than one bone in the skull and the pelvis.
>
>BLASPHEMY! How on EARTH did these cruel lies find their way
>into a public library, Mr. Morrison?
>
>MORE THAN ONE, YOU SAY?

Hmmmm...
The world was flat at one time, I recall having read. And Doctors used to 
bleed bad bile outta you. Libraries are not the final authority.





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The fact remains that the pelvis
>> >and the skull are the bones most like to survive any form of 
cremation


Not when Hitler does it.



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 12:01:14 PDT 1996
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Subject: j*wsbriefs # 822
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Subject: Inbreeding and birth defects
APP 06/27/96

The story begins....."Born with 3 birth defects--his stomach wall never 
closed completely, his lungs compressed by fluid and his diaphragm 
protruding through a tear in his abdominal wall--he has been in & out of 
hospitals for 15 of his 18 months of life and has had 10 surgeries...."

Little baby jacob STEINHAUER is the product of centuries of inbreeding. 
He may, however, be the savior of the havoc his people have been 
wreacking upon the rest of mankind for all of those centuries. Unless 
j*ws 
stop their barbaric, ritualistic behavior, there simply won't be any of 
them around.

Inbreeding has also caused a general reduction in immunity factors within 
the j*wish population as a whole, leading to a substantial increase in 
communicable contagion. The net result is that the herd is in trouble, in 
jeopardy of annihilation if they don't reach beyond their own community 
for marriage. Perhaps this is why, according to the latest figures 
released by Hadassah, male j*ws are leaving the fold at the rate of 48% 
to find mates through inter-marriage. Hadassah, however, is disturbed by 
these figures, so much so that they have inaugurated hit-squads to kidnap 
j*wish youths who become engaged to Gentiles or Blacks. These young 
people are taken to the head rebbi for re-indoctrination. 

Doctors are scurrying not only to find cures, but to find temporary 
relief for the victims. Many of the genetic diseases are extremely 
painful. Untried treatments for these diseases run the gammut from 
illegal drug infusions to hyper-baric/oxygen maintenence.

"Unless new resources are found", laments Dr. levy EPSTEIN, " the future 
is unsure." 

We don't lament with him, nor do we sympathize. This author would suggest 
that the 'cure' lies in adopting a life-style more in keeping with 
civilized people.

For a listing of j*wish genetic diseases, log onto:

The Genetic-Disease E-Mail Discussion List at:

http://q.continuum.net/~wrosen/list.html

AArdvark

***************************************************
Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 06:50 PM

___French Education Minister Investigates Holocaust Question on School 
Test_
(ANA)

Francois Bayrou, France's Education Minister, began disciplinary 
proceedings today (6/4/96) against a chemistry teacher who asked her 
class on a test to calculate how much carbon monoxide was needed to kill 
jews during  he "holocaust."  The question read:  "Hitler killed jews by 
locking them in trucks with the exhaust fumes fed inside.  With a truck 
volume of 50 cubic meters, what volume of carbon monoxide does it take to 
reach the fatal ratio of five per 1,000?  If people took on average 20 
minutes to die, what volume of carbon monoxide did the engine produce per 
hour?" Bayrou said on a radio interview that he has "launched proceedings 
and that will no doubt be accompanied by a suspension while we wait for 
the disciplinary board to
intervene.  There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way, 
which belong to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as 
sacred.  It is intolerable to raise them in this way."  The teacher, who 
reportedly is a jew, said that she had given the same test in recent 
years and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and revisionist  
heories
about it.

   -----

Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
*************************************************************

Date: Sunday, 02-Jun-96 09:45 AM

By: Jim Floyd: (jimfloyd@cneti.com)

Subject: Hail Benny! Hell Yes!

JAMES FLOYD on Benny Yahoo
In Swift's,'Gulliver's Travels', a Yahoo was "one of a race of brutes." 
How
utterly appropriate! The young 'war-stud', Benyamin Netanyahoo, as 
Israel's
new Prime Minister  has vowed to get "tougher" with the enemies of his
tribe. In this supposably  enlightened time we have watched two men vie 
for
the leadership of the  bastard State of Israel by, in the case of Benny
Yahoo, promising to kill  more babies and in the case of Peres, 
deliberately
slaughtering innocent  children to prove himself the more bloodthirsty.
Peres knew and felt the  Gogic hate which so impregnates these beastly
little voters and pandered to  their debased, yes innate, murderous 
nature.
What we have here is a  traditional campaign strategy using barbarous 
war
crimes to garner votes.  This strategy is as banal as it is evil - the 
dead
old terrorist Menachem  Begin did the same vile things trying to corner 
the
'dead-baby-vote'. Peres  killed 149 unarmed civilians and only 13 
Hezbollah
freedom-fighters in 16  days of unmanly, grossly uneven combat. Sick!  
The
'genocide-deniers' in the U.S. press and in the Clinton Administration  
know
full well that behind Netanyahu stands fanatical Rabbis and an array of 
Marxist/Zionist, butchering, thugs such as Ariel Sharon; people who 
should 
have long ago been dragged before a world tribunal, convicted of crimes 
against humanity and hanged. Does it really make a difference who is 
Prime 
Minister? The Palestinian Holocaust will continue - costing America what 

little there is left of its honor and placing one dastardly black mark 
after
the other upon our sullied historical entanglements with these Khazars. 
It
may disappoint you, Mr. Netanyau, but there are some Palestinian/Lebanese 

children whom you can no longer terrify.  They are those the Israeli 
helicopter mangled when they fired their rockets into that ambulance at a 
UN
 checkpoint-that dear mother and all seven of her children, (one only 
four 
days old), killed in their home and those victims of Pere's final 
solution 
in the UN compound at Kana where he mutilated 92 men, women, and precious 

children-these are now in God's arms and out of reach of your filthy 
hands.Peres sent 13,000 artillery rounds, 1,200 air strikes, and other 
horrors against mostly civilian targets;and Benny you have promised to 
do
more?

"I want to congratulate you, Mr. Prime Minister, for a job well done in 
Lebanon'.
      -- Bill Clinton with AIPAC bosses to a smiling Shimon Peres

The next article will be directed at brain-dead, so-called Christians and 

will detail the lineage of Benny Yahoo who was hailed yesterday as "King 
of
Israel". Travel with this writer back to the shores of the Azov where 
Benny's ancient Khazaric grandmothers would squat, show their vaginas and 

giggle. Help me destroy the second greatest heresy of this century.

cc:  Israeli Embassy,fax #202-364-5500
     White House, fax#202-456-2461
*******************************************************************
 
_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.
*********************************************************

6/28/96
Munich, Germany
APP

In love with death camps, the curators of the former Dachau concentration 
facility have again begun additional reconstruction. The year-long 
project will restore a jail, bunkers and the front iron gate. Plans for 
the renovations were announced yesterday. A wing of the main building 
will be dedicated to exhibits on Nazi procedures.
******************************************* 








 




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Subject: Inbreeding and birth defects
APP 06/27/96

The story begins....."Born with 3 birth defects--his stomach wall never 
closed completely, his lungs compressed by fluid and his diaphragm 
protruding through a tear in his abdominal wall--he has been in & out of 
hospitals for 15 of his 18 months of life and has had 10 surgeries...."

Little baby jacob STEINHAUER is the product of centuries of inbreeding. 
He may, however, be the savior of the havoc his people have been 
wreacking upon the rest of mankind for all of those centuries. Unless 
j*ws 
stop their barbaric, ritualistic behavior, there simply won't be any of 
them around.

Inbreeding has also caused a general reduction in immunity factors within 
the j*wish population as a whole, leading to a substantial increase in 
communicable contagion. The net result is that the herd is in trouble, in 
jeopardy of annihilation if they don't reach beyond their own community 
for marriage. Perhaps this is why, according to the latest figures 
released by Hadassah, male j*ws are leaving the fold at the rate of 48% 
to find mates through inter-marriage. Hadassah, however, is disturbed by 
these figures, so much so that they have inaugurated hit-squads to kidnap 
j*wish youths who become engaged to Gentiles or Blacks. These young 
people are taken to the head rebbi for re-indoctrination. 

Doctors are scurrying not only to find cures, but to find temporary 
relief for the victims. Many of the genetic diseases are extremely 
painful. Untried treatments for these diseases run the gammut from 
illegal drug infusions to hyper-baric/oxygen maintenence.

"Unless new resources are found", laments Dr. levy EPSTEIN, " the future 
is unsure." 

We don't lament with him, nor do we sympathize. This author would suggest 
that the 'cure' lies in adopting a life-style more in keeping with 
civilized people.

For a listing of j*wish genetic diseases, log onto:

The Genetic-Disease E-Mail Discussion List at:

http://q.continuum.net/~wrosen/list.html

AArdvark

***************************************************
Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 06:50 PM

___French Education Minister Investigates Holocaust Question on School 
Test_
(ANA)

Francois Bayrou, France's Education Minister, began disciplinary 
proceedings today (6/4/96) against a chemistry teacher who asked her 
class on a test to calculate how much carbon monoxide was needed to kill 
jews during  he "holocaust."  The question read:  "Hitler killed jews by 
locking them in trucks with the exhaust fumes fed inside.  With a truck 
volume of 50 cubic meters, what volume of carbon monoxide does it take to 
reach the fatal ratio of five per 1,000?  If people took on average 20 
minutes to die, what volume of carbon monoxide did the engine produce per 
hour?" Bayrou said on a radio interview that he has "launched proceedings 
and that will no doubt be accompanied by a suspension while we wait for 
the disciplinary board to
intervene.  There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way, 
which belong to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as 
sacred.  It is intolerable to raise them in this way."  The teacher, who 
reportedly is a jew, said that she had given the same test in recent 
years and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and revisionist  
heories
about it.

   -----

Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
*************************************************************

Date: Sunday, 02-Jun-96 09:45 AM

By: Jim Floyd: (jimfloyd@cneti.com)

Subject: Hail Benny! Hell Yes!

JAMES FLOYD on Benny Yahoo
In Swift's,'Gulliver's Travels', a Yahoo was "one of a race of brutes." 
How
utterly appropriate! The young 'war-stud', Benyamin Netanyahoo, as 
Israel's
new Prime Minister  has vowed to get "tougher" with the enemies of his
tribe. In this supposably  enlightened time we have watched two men vie 
for
the leadership of the  bastard State of Israel by, in the case of Benny
Yahoo, promising to kill  more babies and in the case of Peres, 
deliberately
slaughtering innocent  children to prove himself the more bloodthirsty.
Peres knew and felt the  Gogic hate which so impregnates these beastly
little voters and pandered to  their debased, yes innate, murderous 
nature.
What we have here is a  traditional campaign strategy using barbarous 
war
crimes to garner votes.  This strategy is as banal as it is evil - the 
dead
old terrorist Menachem  Begin did the same vile things trying to corner 
the
'dead-baby-vote'. Peres  killed 149 unarmed civilians and only 13 
Hezbollah
freedom-fighters in 16  days of unmanly, grossly uneven combat. Sick!  
The
'genocide-deniers' in the U.S. press and in the Clinton Administration  
know
full well that behind Netanyahu stands fanatical Rabbis and an array of 
Marxist/Zionist, butchering, thugs such as Ariel Sharon; people who 
should 
have long ago been dragged before a world tribunal, convicted of crimes 
against humanity and hanged. Does it really make a difference who is 
Prime 
Minister? The Palestinian Holocaust will continue - costing America what 

little there is left of its honor and placing one dastardly black mark 
after
the other upon our sullied historical entanglements with these Khazars. 
It
may disappoint you, Mr. Netanyau, but there are some Palestinian/Lebanese 

children whom you can no longer terrify.  They are those the Israeli 
helicopter mangled when they fired their rockets into that ambulance at a 
UN
 checkpoint-that dear mother and all seven of her children, (one only 
four 
days old), killed in their home and those victims of Pere's final 
solution 
in the UN compound at Kana where he mutilated 92 men, women, and precious 

children-these are now in God's arms and out of reach of your filthy 
hands.Peres sent 13,000 artillery rounds, 1,200 air strikes, and other 
horrors against mostly civilian targets;and Benny you have promised to 
do
more?

"I want to congratulate you, Mr. Prime Minister, for a job well done in 
Lebanon'.
      -- Bill Clinton with AIPAC bosses to a smiling Shimon Peres

The next article will be directed at brain-dead, so-called Christians and 

will detail the lineage of Benny Yahoo who was hailed yesterday as "King 
of
Israel". Travel with this writer back to the shores of the Azov where 
Benny's ancient Khazaric grandmothers would squat, show their vaginas and 

giggle. Help me destroy the second greatest heresy of this century.

cc:  Israeli Embassy,fax #202-364-5500
     White House, fax#202-456-2461
*******************************************************************
 
_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.
*********************************************************

6/28/96
Munich, Germany
APP

In love with death camps, the curators of the former Dachau concentration 
facility have again begun additional reconstruction. The year-long 
project will restore a jail, bunkers and the front iron gate. Plans for 
the renovations were announced yesterday. A wing of the main building 
will be dedicated to exhibits on Nazi procedures.
******************************************* 








 



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 13:35:57 PDT 1996
Article: 62947 of alt.conspiracy
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Test your holohugger IQ
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Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 06:50 PM

___French Education Minister Investigates Holocaust Question on School 
Test_
(ANA)

Francois Bayrou, France's Education Minister, began disciplinary 
proceedings
today (6/4/96) against a chemistry teacher who asked her class on a test 
to
calculate how much carbon monoxide was needed to kill jews during the
"holocaust."  The question read:  "Hitler killed jews by locking them in
trucks with the exhaust fumes fed inside.  With a truck volume of 50 
cubic
meters, what volume of carbon monoxide does it take to reach the fatal 
ratio
of five per 1,000?  If people took on average 20 minutes to die, what 
volume
of carbon monoxide did the engine produce per hour?" Bayrou said on a 
radio
interview that he has "launched proceedings and that will no doubt be
accompanied by a suspension while we wait for the disciplinary board to
intervene.  There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way,
which belong to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as
sacred.  It is intolerable to raise them in this way."  The teacher, who
reportedly is a jew, said that she had given the same test in recent 
years
and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and revisionist theories
about it.

   -----

Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
*****************************************************************
  
==========================================================================


_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.







From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 13:51:21 PDT 1996
Article: 78259 of soc.culture.german
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: j*wsbriefs # 822
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Subject: Inbreeding and birth defects
APP 06/27/96

The story begins....."Born with 3 birth defects--his stomach wall never 
closed completely, his lungs compressed by fluid and his diaphragm 
protruding through a tear in his abdominal wall--he has been in & out of 
hospitals for 15 of his 18 months of life and has had 10 surgeries...."

Little baby jacob STEINHAUER is the product of centuries of inbreeding. 
He may, however, be the savior of the havoc his people have been 
wreacking upon the rest of mankind for all of those centuries. Unless 
j*ws 
stop their barbaric, ritualistic behavior, there simply won't be any of 
them around.

Inbreeding has also caused a general reduction in immunity factors within 
the j*wish population as a whole, leading to a substantial increase in 
communicable contagion. The net result is that the herd is in trouble, in 
jeopardy of annihilation if they don't reach beyond their own community 
for marriage. Perhaps this is why, according to the latest figures 
released by Hadassah, male j*ws are leaving the fold at the rate of 48% 
to find mates through inter-marriage. Hadassah, however, is disturbed by 
these figures, so much so that they have inaugurated hit-squads to kidnap 
j*wish youths who become engaged to Gentiles or Blacks. These young 
people are taken to the head rebbi for re-indoctrination. 

Doctors are scurrying not only to find cures, but to find temporary 
relief for the victims. Many of the genetic diseases are extremely 
painful. Untried treatments for these diseases run the gammut from 
illegal drug infusions to hyper-baric/oxygen maintenence.

"Unless new resources are found", laments Dr. levy EPSTEIN, " the future 
is unsure." 

We don't lament with him, nor do we sympathize. This author would suggest 
that the 'cure' lies in adopting a life-style more in keeping with 
civilized people.

For a listing of j*wish genetic diseases, log onto:

The Genetic-Disease E-Mail Discussion List at:

http://q.continuum.net/~wrosen/list.html

AArdvark

***************************************************
Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 06:50 PM

___French Education Minister Investigates Holocaust Question on School 
Test_
(ANA)

Francois Bayrou, France's Education Minister, began disciplinary 
proceedings today (6/4/96) against a chemistry teacher who asked her 
class on a test to calculate how much carbon monoxide was needed to kill 
jews during  he "holocaust."  The question read:  "Hitler killed jews by 
locking them in trucks with the exhaust fumes fed inside.  With a truck 
volume of 50 cubic meters, what volume of carbon monoxide does it take to 
reach the fatal ratio of five per 1,000?  If people took on average 20 
minutes to die, what volume of carbon monoxide did the engine produce per 
hour?" Bayrou said on a radio interview that he has "launched proceedings 
and that will no doubt be accompanied by a suspension while we wait for 
the disciplinary board to
intervene.  There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way, 
which belong to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as 
sacred.  It is intolerable to raise them in this way."  The teacher, who 
reportedly is a jew, said that she had given the same test in recent 
years and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and revisionist  
heories
about it.

   -----

Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
*************************************************************

Date: Sunday, 02-Jun-96 09:45 AM

By: Jim Floyd: (jimfloyd@cneti.com)

Subject: Hail Benny! Hell Yes!

JAMES FLOYD on Benny Yahoo
In Swift's,'Gulliver's Travels', a Yahoo was "one of a race of brutes." 
How
utterly appropriate! The young 'war-stud', Benyamin Netanyahoo, as 
Israel's
new Prime Minister  has vowed to get "tougher" with the enemies of his
tribe. In this supposably  enlightened time we have watched two men vie 
for
the leadership of the  bastard State of Israel by, in the case of Benny
Yahoo, promising to kill  more babies and in the case of Peres, 
deliberately
slaughtering innocent  children to prove himself the more bloodthirsty.
Peres knew and felt the  Gogic hate which so impregnates these beastly
little voters and pandered to  their debased, yes innate, murderous 
nature.
What we have here is a  traditional campaign strategy using barbarous 
war
crimes to garner votes.  This strategy is as banal as it is evil - the 
dead
old terrorist Menachem  Begin did the same vile things trying to corner 
the
'dead-baby-vote'. Peres  killed 149 unarmed civilians and only 13 
Hezbollah
freedom-fighters in 16  days of unmanly, grossly uneven combat. Sick!  
The
'genocide-deniers' in the U.S. press and in the Clinton Administration  
know
full well that behind Netanyahu stands fanatical Rabbis and an array of 
Marxist/Zionist, butchering, thugs such as Ariel Sharon; people who 
should 
have long ago been dragged before a world tribunal, convicted of crimes 
against humanity and hanged. Does it really make a difference who is 
Prime 
Minister? The Palestinian Holocaust will continue - costing America what 

little there is left of its honor and placing one dastardly black mark 
after
the other upon our sullied historical entanglements with these Khazars. 
It
may disappoint you, Mr. Netanyau, but there are some Palestinian/Lebanese 

children whom you can no longer terrify.  They are those the Israeli 
helicopter mangled when they fired their rockets into that ambulance at a 
UN
 checkpoint-that dear mother and all seven of her children, (one only 
four 
days old), killed in their home and those victims of Pere's final 
solution 
in the UN compound at Kana where he mutilated 92 men, women, and precious 

children-these are now in God's arms and out of reach of your filthy 
hands.Peres sent 13,000 artillery rounds, 1,200 air strikes, and other 
horrors against mostly civilian targets;and Benny you have promised to 
do
more?

"I want to congratulate you, Mr. Prime Minister, for a job well done in 
Lebanon'.
      -- Bill Clinton with AIPAC bosses to a smiling Shimon Peres

The next article will be directed at brain-dead, so-called Christians and 

will detail the lineage of Benny Yahoo who was hailed yesterday as "King 
of
Israel". Travel with this writer back to the shores of the Azov where 
Benny's ancient Khazaric grandmothers would squat, show their vaginas and 

giggle. Help me destroy the second greatest heresy of this century.

cc:  Israeli Embassy,fax #202-364-5500
     White House, fax#202-456-2461
*******************************************************************
 
_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.
*********************************************************

6/28/96
Munich, Germany
APP

In love with death camps, the curators of the former Dachau concentration 
facility have again begun additional reconstruction. The year-long 
project will restore a jail, bunkers and the front iron gate. Plans for 
the renovations were announced yesterday. A wing of the main building 
will be dedicated to exhibits on Nazi procedures.
******************************************* 








 



From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 14:34:46 PDT 1996
Article: 276998 of talk.politics.guns
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: *more on Australia gun confiscation
Date: 27 Jun 1996 15:34:44 -0400
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CONFISCATION IN AUSTRALIA

     Shocked by the slaughter of 35 people at a tourist site on the 
island
of Tasmania, Prime Minister John Howard has said gun owners will be 
ORDERED
to relinquish semiautomatic and automatic weapons for yet-to-be 
determined
payments. Pro-gun activists in Australia are holding rallies across the
country, vowing they won't part with their weapons.

Internet News Library


KILL THE MESSENGER

     By attacking the First Amendment the gun control lobby is 
advocating
censorship in an attempt to force their agenda on the American public. In 
a
February 14th news release, Rep. Charles Schumer stated:
     "Today we (the anti-gun lobby) are opening a second front in the war 
to
get guns off our streets. For the last decade we have been fighting in
Congress to pass rational gun control laws, and now we have our 
crosshairs
set squarely on the deceptive marketing plays of gun manufacturers."
     Schumer, and a host of other obsessed gun haters, petitioned the
Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to ban advertisements that imply guns can 
be
used for self-defense. By Schumer's reasonings the ads are "only 
commercial
speech," so the government can prohibit the expression of any idea 
Schumer
feels is deceptive; that is, any idea he disagrees with.
     Under the power it has to prevent unfair or deceptive trade 
practices,
the FTC can prohibit misleading advertising.
     This newest tactic by the anti-gun lobby makes three things 
blatantly
obvious. First, their attack is not directed at the black market in 
illegal
guns. It is directed at honest people who acquire guns through legal
channels for a legal use. People who use guns are not complaining. 
People
who see no use for guns are. Second, having not achieved their agenda in
Congress the anti-gun lobby is attempting to get the bureaucrats to adopt 
a
"public policy" that congress has rejected. Their focus is the message 
of
the ads not methods of commercial practice. Because they know they 
cannot
compete in the free market place of ideas, they want to ban what they do 
not
like. Third, since the dangers of guns are obvious, the anti-gun lobby 
must
think the American public is very stupid.

Gun New Digest
Summer 1996






From EEGG87E@prodigy.com Sun Jun 30 19:33:52 PDT 1996
Article: 75369 of talk.politics.mideast
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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Poles want McDonalds at Auschwitz
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_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.
*********************************************************








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From: EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: French test holocaust IQ
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Date: Tuesday, 04-Jun-96 06:50 PM

___French Education Minister Investigates Holocaust Question on School 
Test_
(ANA)

Francois Bayrou, France's Education Minister, began disciplinary 
proceedings
today (6/4/96) against a chemistry teacher who asked her class on a test 
to
calculate how much carbon monoxide was needed to kill jews during the
"holocaust."  The question read:  "Hitler killed jews by locking them in
trucks with the exhaust fumes fed inside.  With a truck volume of 50 
cubic
meters, what volume of carbon monoxide does it take to reach the fatal 
ratio
of five per 1,000?  If people took on average 20 minutes to die, what 
volume
of carbon monoxide did the engine produce per hour?" Bayrou said on a 
radio
interview that he has "launched proceedings and that will no doubt be
accompanied by a suspension while we wait for the disciplinary board to
intervene.  There are facts which we cannot speak about in a banal way,
which belong to the memory of humanity and which must be respected as
sacred.  It is intolerable to raise them in this way."  The teacher, who
reportedly is a jew, said that she had given the same test in recent 
years
and her purpose was to denounce the "holocaust" and revisionist theories
about it.

   -----

Written by Anton H., ANA Assistant Editor
*****************************************************************
  
==========================================================================


_Polish authorities order halt to Auschwitz shops_ (Nando Times)

WARSAW, Poland - Polish authorities Tuesday renewed an order halting
construction of a controversial shopping center near the World War II
Auschwitz death camp, after the developer resumed work without their
permission.

The governor of the southern Poland province in which the former Nazi 
German
camp stands slapped a new suspension order on the project, PAP news 
agency
reported.

News early this year that a developer had gained permission to turn 
existing
buildings opposite the gate of the museum at the former camp into a 
shopping
center for local people aroused strong international condemnation from
Jewish and other groups.

The Warsaw government backed arguments that the project was inappropriate 
so
near the place where wartime German invaders murdered between one 
million
and 1.5 million people -- most of them Jews, but also Poles, Russians,
Gypsies and others. Provincial authorities suspended further work there.

Monday the developer, the Maja Foundation, announced that work had 
resumed.
It argued that the two-month period under which building can be 
suspended
had expired.

But Bielsko-Biala provincial governor Marek Trombski said the work had 
been
suspended by administrative order and the resumption announced by Maja's
president was not legal.

"I am astonished that he is trying to do this in a situation where this
matter is being broadcast around the whole world. This is bad for our
country," he told PAP, accusing Maja of trying to force the issue.

A senior Maja executive told Reuters his company, tied to a charity, had
dropped its original plan to build two shops and a restaurant for a 
retail
firm and to serve the town of Oswiecim.

Tadeusz Kasperczyk said it had now adopted a proposal made in April by 
an
international committee overseeing the Auschwitz museum, to create a
fast-food outlet and small shop serving museum visitors so that 
facilities
such as the book stall and snack bar could be removed from the site of 
the
camp itself.

"What we are building is designed so that all commerce can be removed 
from
the territory of the museum, along with the parking area itself," he said.


But Polish central government officials said the committee's 
recommendations
had been made to the Culture Ministry, responsible for the museum, and 
Maja
had no right to act on them without formal permission.

News that the project had been resumed evoked an angry response Monday 
from
World Jewish Congress vice president Kalman Sultanik, a member of the
international committee on Auschwitz.

"We do not intend to stand idly by while some developer tries to make a
profit on the blood of Jewish and non-Jewish martyrs," Sultanik said in 
New
York.

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