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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Heckling: Justifies a beating?
Date: 6 Jun 1995 15:21:43 -0700
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In article ,
Kurt Heinzic  wrote:

>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  What really generated this post
>though is seeing so many ARA's, leftists and others saying shit about Burdi
>kicking that little shrew Reczin in the face.  First of all, the ARA started

Is it ok, in your considered opinion, to kick "little shrews" in
the face?

>the damn so-called riot, second Reczin got hit in the heat of a major c
>confrontation, third the ARA is not just some cushy little happy group of

In other words, Mr. Burdi is incapable of maintaining his kool, and
resorts instead to violence?

>nice, sunny little day, for the fun of it.  Not so.  And lets not forget
>that ARA (and others) had been heckling people out to have a peaceful concert.
>Learn the facts.  This post is not meant to insult anyone, even the ARA.  It
>is just observations, and thoughts on some of the arguments listed in this ng.

To recap, then, the apparent philosophy outlined here:

1. It is ok to kick "little shrews."
2. George Burdi cannot control his temper.
3. Violence is an appropriate response to hecklers.

Is that about right?

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Article 4547 of alt.politics.white-power:
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay)
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Subject: Heckling: Justifies a beating?
Date: 6 Jun 1995 15:21:43 -0700
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In article ,
Kurt Heinzic  wrote:

>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  What really generated this post
>though is seeing so many ARA's, leftists and others saying shit about Burdi
>kicking that little shrew Reczin in the face.  First of all, the ARA started

Is it ok, in your considered opinion, to kick "little shrews" in
the face?

>the damn so-called riot, second Reczin got hit in the heat of a major c
>confrontation, third the ARA is not just some cushy little happy group of

In other words, Mr. Burdi is incapable of maintaining his kool, and
resorts instead to violence?

>nice, sunny little day, for the fun of it.  Not so.  And lets not forget
>that ARA (and others) had been heckling people out to have a peaceful concert.
>Learn the facts.  This post is not meant to insult anyone, even the ARA.  It
>is just observations, and thoughts on some of the arguments listed in this ng.

To recap, then, the apparent philosophy outlined here:

1. It is ok to kick "little shrews."
2. George Burdi cannot control his temper.
3. Violence is an appropriate response to hecklers.

Is that about right?

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In article ,
Kurt Heinzic  wrote:
>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  

<>

>that ARA (and others) had been heckling people out to have a peaceful concert.
>Learn the facts.  This post is not meant to insult anyone, even the ARA.  It
>is just observations, and thoughts on some of the arguments listed in this ng.

Wank wank wank... Boo hoo, we can't hate in peace.  
-- 
Humans are amusing, 'cept when they're trying to kill you, then they're 
not so amusing.
                    						lzaird@io.org


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From: bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Heckling: Justifies a beating?
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Ken McVay (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article ,
> Kurt Heinzic  wrote:
> 
>>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  What really generated this post
>>though is seeing so many ARA's, leftists and others saying shit about Burdi
>>kicking that little shrew Reczin in the face.  First of all, the ARA started
> 
> Is it ok, in your considered opinion, to kick "little shrews" in
> the face?
> 
>>the damn so-called riot, second Reczin got hit in the heat of a major c
>>confrontation, third the ARA is not just some cushy little happy group of
> 
> In other words, Mr. Burdi is incapable of maintaining his kool, and
> resorts instead to violence?
> 
>>nice, sunny little day, for the fun of it.  Not so.  And lets not forget
>>that ARA (and others) had been heckling people out to have a peaceful concert.
>>Learn the facts.  This post is not meant to insult anyone, even the ARA.  It
>>is just observations, and thoughts on some of the arguments listed in this ng.
> 
> To recap, then, the apparent philosophy outlined here:
> 
> 1. It is ok to kick "little shrews."

The "little shrew" in question was screaming for a confrontation with
Burdi only a few hours before.  She's real brave when she's got 30 cops
dressed in riot gear in front of her.
 > 2. George Burdi cannot control his temper.

Neither can Alicia.  Have you seen the footage of her completely losing
her cool?  How about the time she said its "okay to kill a nazi in the
self-defence mode"?  Do you still think she's all sweetness and light?

 > 3. Violence is an appropriate response to hecklers. > 

Violence is an appropriate respons to violence.  The A.R.A instigated the
confrontation.  Why else would they bring 700 members to protest 60 or so
WP's?  

Sylvie


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But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?"
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Subject: Re: Heckling: Justifies a beating?
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Ken McVay (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article ,
> Kurt Heinzic  wrote:
> 
>>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  What really generated this post
>>though is seeing so many ARA's, leftists and others saying shit about Burdi
>>kicking that little shrew Reczin in the face.  First of all, the ARA started
> 
> Is it ok, in your considered opinion, to kick "little shrews" in
> the face?
> 
>>the damn so-called riot, second Reczin got hit in the heat of a major c
>>confrontation, third the ARA is not just some cushy little happy group of
> 
> In other words, Mr. Burdi is incapable of maintaining his kool, and
> resorts instead to violence?
> 
>>nice, sunny little day, for the fun of it.  Not so.  And lets not forget
>>that ARA (and others) had been heckling people out to have a peaceful concert.
>>Learn the facts.  This post is not meant to insult anyone, even the ARA.  It
>>is just observations, and thoughts on some of the arguments listed in this ng.
> 
> To recap, then, the apparent philosophy outlined here:
> 
> 1. It is ok to kick "little shrews."

The "little shrew" in question was screaming for a confrontation with
Burdi only a few hours before.  She's real brave when she's got 30 cops
dressed in riot gear in front of her.
 > 2. George Burdi cannot control his temper.

Neither can Alicia.  Have you seen the footage of her completely losing
her cool?  How about the time she said its "okay to kill a nazi in the
self-defence mode"?  Do you still think she's all sweetness and light?

 > 3. Violence is an appropriate response to hecklers. > 

Violence is an appropriate respons to violence.  The A.R.A instigated the
confrontation.  Why else would they bring 700 members to protest 60 or so
WP's?  

Sylvie


--
"I used to trust the media to tell me the truth/ Tell us the truth!
But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?"
	 	Queensryche,   "Revolution Calling"


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Subject: Re: Heckling: Justifies a beating?
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Ken McVay (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article ,
> Kurt Heinzic  wrote:
> 
>>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  What really generated this post
>>though is seeing so many ARA's, leftists and others saying shit about Burdi
>>kicking that little shrew Reczin in the face.  First of all, the ARA started
> 
> Is it ok, in your considered opinion, to kick "little shrews" in
> the face?
> 
>>the damn so-called riot, second Reczin got hit in the heat of a major c
>>confrontation, third the ARA is not just some cushy little happy group of
> 
> In other words, Mr. Burdi is incapable of maintaining his kool, and
> resorts instead to violence?
> 
>>nice, sunny little day, for the fun of it.  Not so.  And lets not forget
>>that ARA (and others) had been heckling people out to have a peaceful concert.
>>Learn the facts.  This post is not meant to insult anyone, even the ARA.  It
>>is just observations, and thoughts on some of the arguments listed in this ng.
> 
> To recap, then, the apparent philosophy outlined here:
> 
> 1. It is ok to kick "little shrews."

The "little shrew" in question was screaming for a confrontation with
Burdi only a few hours before.  She's real brave when she's got 30 cops
dressed in riot gear in front of her.
 > 2. George Burdi cannot control his temper.

Neither can Alicia.  Have you seen the footage of her completely losing
her cool?  How about the time she said its "okay to kill a nazi in the
self-defence mode"?  Do you still think she's all sweetness and light?

 > 3. Violence is an appropriate response to hecklers. > 

Violence is an appropriate respons to violence.  The A.R.A instigated the
confrontation.  Why else would they bring 700 members to protest 60 or so
WP's?  

Sylvie


--
"I used to trust the media to tell me the truth/ Tell us the truth!
But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?"
	 	Queensryche,   "Revolution Calling"


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Subject: Burdi the Brave and Noble Defeats SuperShrew...
Date: 11 Jun 1995 21:32:17 -0700
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In article ,
Sylvie Charbonneau  wrote:

>Ken McVay (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

>> In article ,
>> Kurt Heinzic  wrote:
 
>>>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>>>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>>>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  What really generated this post
>>>though is seeing so many ARA's, leftists and others saying shit about Burdi
>>>kicking that little shrew Reczin in the face.  First of all, the ARA started
 
>> Is it ok, in your considered opinion, to kick "little shrews" in
>> the face?

[...]
 
>The "little shrew" in question was screaming for a confrontation with
>Burdi only a few hours before.  She's real brave when she's got 30 cops
>dressed in riot gear in front of her.

I see. So the proper response, in your mind, to one who "screams for
a confrontation" is to kick the shit out of her?

What insignificant failures such folks must be.

> > 2. George Burdi cannot control his temper.

>Neither can Alicia.  Have you seen the footage of her completely losing
>her cool?  How about the time she said its "okay to kill a nazi in the
>self-defence mode"?  Do you still think she's all sweetness and light?

Did Alicia attack Mr. Burdi? Did she strike him?

Or did he simply od on testosterone and revert to type?

> > 3. Violence is an appropriate response to hecklers. > 

>Violence is an appropriate respons to violence.  The A.R.A instigated the
>confrontation.  Why else would they bring 700 members to protest 60 or so
>WP's?  

Did Alicia attack Mr. Burdi? Did she strike him?

Two simple questions. I can only hope that, unlike Mr. Griswold, you
will address them.

If the woman, Alicia, physically attacked Mr. Burdi, then, in my
mind, he had the right to defend himself, up to and including only that
amount of force appropriate to causing the attack to cease.

So, to the first two simple questions, I add this one:

What, precisely, was Mr. Burdi's response, and was it a response to
verbal abuse, as you seem to suggest, or was it a response to direct
violence or threat of imminent violence?

As I understand it, Burdi is said to have kicked Alicia while she
was down - i.e., after any possible threat of violence was
dispelled.

Is that in fact what he did? 
Is that what court testimony indicated?
Is that what the jury believed when they convicted him?

I haven't seen Mr. Burdi kick the shit out of a woman - I do believe
he was one of the brave aryan "warriors" who kicked the shit out of
a _man_ who was already down in the clip shown during Hearts of
Hate, was he not? (I haven't watched it lately - the question is not
rhetorical.)

Takes one helluva "man" to kick a woman when she's down - or kick
her at all, for that matter. How utterly masculine and brave he must
be, to take on this SuperShrew Alicia, all by himself.


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Article 34796 of can.general:
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Subject: Burdi the Brave and Noble Defeats SuperShrew...
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In article ,
Sylvie Charbonneau  wrote:

>Ken McVay (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

>> In article ,
>> Kurt Heinzic  wrote:
 
>>>Ok.  I should start off by saying that I don't really label myself a racist of 
>>>sorts, I have just been browsing through this newsgroup and noticed so many
>>>idiots posting way out of there own domain.  What really generated this post
>>>though is seeing so many ARA's, leftists and others saying shit about Burdi
>>>kicking that little shrew Reczin in the face.  First of all, the ARA started
 
>> Is it ok, in your considered opinion, to kick "little shrews" in
>> the face?

[...]
 
>The "little shrew" in question was screaming for a confrontation with
>Burdi only a few hours before.  She's real brave when she's got 30 cops
>dressed in riot gear in front of her.

I see. So the proper response, in your mind, to one who "screams for
a confrontation" is to kick the shit out of her?

What insignificant failures such folks must be.

> > 2. George Burdi cannot control his temper.

>Neither can Alicia.  Have you seen the footage of her completely losing
>her cool?  How about the time she said its "okay to kill a nazi in the
>self-defence mode"?  Do you still think she's all sweetness and light?

Did Alicia attack Mr. Burdi? Did she strike him?

Or did he simply od on testosterone and revert to type?

> > 3. Violence is an appropriate response to hecklers. > 

>Violence is an appropriate respons to violence.  The A.R.A instigated the
>confrontation.  Why else would they bring 700 members to protest 60 or so
>WP's?  

Did Alicia attack Mr. Burdi? Did she strike him?

Two simple questions. I can only hope that, unlike Mr. Griswold, you
will address them.

If the woman, Alicia, physically attacked Mr. Burdi, then, in my
mind, he had the right to defend himself, up to and including only that
amount of force appropriate to causing the attack to cease.

So, to the first two simple questions, I add this one:

What, precisely, was Mr. Burdi's response, and was it a response to
verbal abuse, as you seem to suggest, or was it a response to direct
violence or threat of imminent violence?

As I understand it, Burdi is said to have kicked Alicia while she
was down - i.e., after any possible threat of violence was
dispelled.

Is that in fact what he did? 
Is that what court testimony indicated?
Is that what the jury believed when they convicted him?

I haven't seen Mr. Burdi kick the shit out of a woman - I do believe
he was one of the brave aryan "warriors" who kicked the shit out of
a _man_ who was already down in the clip shown during Hearts of
Hate, was he not? (I haven't watched it lately - the question is not
rhetorical.)

Takes one helluva "man" to kick a woman when she's down - or kick
her at all, for that matter. How utterly masculine and brave he must
be, to take on this SuperShrew Alicia, all by himself.


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