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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 07:38:09 PST 1996
Article: 37508 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Fucken Liberal-Fascists
Date: 30 Nov 1996 12:57:34 -0800
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James C. Harrison  writing [ 2738] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!wilbur.sequent.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!205.252.116.190!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!hexis said:

> As Michael Lind has pointed out in several books, the current system for 
> electing senators is highly undemocratic since it makes an individual 
> Alaskan far more powerful than an individual Californian. It also gives 
> an unnatural amount of power to the mountain states with their right wing 
> tendencies. At the time of the Constitutional Convention one could make a 
> case for the rights of states as states--in those days one wrote "The 
> United States are...", not "the United States is"; but states rights has 
> long since become a code for racism and reaction. I'm a citizen of the 
> U.S.A., damn it, not California, and I don't want a handful of neonazis 
> from Idaho running the country.  
	
	And do you *why* the poor rural areas of the USA tend to
	be politically conservative?

	Before mid-century, rural areas tended to be ardently
	socialist aka the famous Harlan County while the big
	cities stood for stolid conservatism.

	Why did this change?

	Social Democracy is great for ameliorating some social ills
	but most of all it allows a constitutional revolution to
	have the capability to take power through the elective 
	system.  But it's had some peculiar effects in every
	society it's been tried! (Every Western country.)
	The "liberal" fraction of the ruling class has taken power
	everywhere and the backward rural areas have become the
	centers of discontent and agitation representing the
	common man versus the social machine.  Wherever the
	wealthy "liberals" take over they introduce *thousands*
	of strictly *personal* issues with the supposed aim to 
	ameliorate real and imagined psychiatrict issues which 
	everyone is affected by from one status to another.  
	They will do *anything* to avoid the root issues of the 
	day and thus evade threats to their own power.  They 
	have abandoned the interests of the people in favor of 
	namby-pamby abstractions that implement the divide and 
	conquer strategy of our spicy social meatgrinder.

	There's a term for these backstabbers and their 
	lickspittles from old Communist lingo "social-fascists."  
	Now that's a term worthy of revival!  Updating the term
	to "liberal-fascist" to make it more understandable as it
	fits the description well. 

	After all it is *them*, the liberal-fascists who provide
	the "stormtroopers of the ruling class," in this
	redundant epoch of boring values derived from the market
	system.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 07:38:10 PST 1996
Article: 37527 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,news.groups,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,alt.anarchism,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.guns,alt.conspiracy,soc.history
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism, misc.activism.anti-fascism.*
Date: 30 Nov 1996 17:25:45 -0800
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Paul Kneisel   writing [ 9787] bytes in <849062947.15858@uunet.uu.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!mr.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.supernet.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!wizard.pn.com!news.gte.com!news-in.tiac.net!uunet!bounce-back said:

>                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>               moderated group soc.politics.anti-fascism
>          moderated group misc.activism.anti-fascism.announce
>           moderated group misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics
	
	All of which be should opposed on the status of moderation.

> RATIONALE: all groups
> 
> There is currently no central Usenet location dedicated to issues of
> anti-fascism.  Inclusively, the word "anti-fascism" should be taken as a
> generic opposition to policies reflected in the activities of the political
> groups controlled by A. Hitler, F. Franco, and B. Mussolini, the K.K.K., as
> well as those acts defined as Crimes Against Humanity by the International
> Tribunals on War Crimes held in Nuremberg, Germany.
	
	This is an inadequate definition as it excludes
	social-fascism.

> An electronic publication called _THE ANTIFA INFO-BULLETIN_ is insufficient
> because of the need for such publications to carry a limited number of
> short articles. 
	
	And its social-fascist diversionism as reflected by it's
	choice of articles.  Only a few articles are even
	on-topic in ANTIFA and typically are specific to foreign
	countries, most coverage being strictly about *personal*
	issues as is typical of the social-fascist mentality.

> Newsgroups also tend to be more accessible for newcomers.
	
	Moderated vanity newsgroups tend to be inaccessable.

> The collective moderators from all three groups may alter the moderator
> lists by vote, with 3/4s of those voting necessary to create the
> alteration(s).
	
	Yeah, right.

> CHARTER: soc.politics.anti-fascism
> 
> soc.politics.anti-fascism is intended as a moderated forum for the debate
> and discussion of anti-fascism and economic, ethical, historical, legal,
> philosophical, political, psychological, and sociological topics related to
> it.
> 
> It is not meant as a "dial-a-demo" group nor a focus for discussions
> specifically designed to develop anti-fascist activism in today's world.
> 
> Moderation Policy:
> 
> The moderators reserves the right to reject any articles submitted to
> soc.politics.anti-fascism that are supportive of fascism, insulting,
> consisting of more than 1/2 quotation, are off-topic, or not related to
> anti-fascism.
	
	How about opposition to social-fascism?!??

> Cross-posts will not be accepted unless they are of immediate relevance or
> importance to the news group. Non-spammed multiple postings will not be
> actively discouraged.
	
	Crossposting must never be allowed with a moderated
	newsgroup and must have the *.moderated suffix to avoid
	confusing readers.

> Advertising Policy:
> 
> Works by established publishers on topics related to the group may be
> advertised, provided:
> 
> 1) Such advertisements are not posted more than once per month per
> published work and are preceded by the string "AD" in the subject field;
> 
> 2) The advertisements are accompanied with full bibliographic material,
> including author, title, place of publication, publisher and publisher's
> address, date of publication, and price;
> 
> 3) The advertisement may be accompanied by a descriptive blurb of the
> work not to exceed 250 words.
> 
> Given the nature of scholarly research and the need for open discussion and
> debate, such advertising would not necessarily be judged from the
> standpoint of explicit anti-fascism: e.g. an Oxford University Press
> history of the rise of fascism in Latvia would not likely have an
> explicitly anti-fascist content. This would not prevent Oxford from posting
> an advertisement for the work.
	
	Would Wilhelm Reich be rejected for his vehement
	objection to social-fascism, Mr. Moderator?

> MODERATOR INFO: soc.politics.anti-fascism
> 
> Moderator: Paul Kneisel 
>            originator, VOTE NO CAMPAIGN
>            [on rec.music.white-power]
> Moderator: Tom Burghardt 
>            editor, _ANTIFA[SCISM] INFO-BULLETIN_
> Moderator: John Dewey Holmes 
>            Jewish labor historian
> Moderator: Vicki Rovere 
>            member, War Resisters League
>            20 years experience as a computer programmer
	
	Three completely redundant moderated vanity newsgroups.

	Fuck it.

	Since all of these folks avoid usenet, they are complete
	unknowns, but there's no doubt that they reek of the
	social-fascist mentality, if ANTIFA is any indication.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 07:38:11 PST 1996
Article: 37533 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,soc.history
Subject: Definition Of White Race
Date: 29 Nov 1996 14:16:52 -0800
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Bob Whitaker   writing [ 1953] bytes in <329F39BA.65C6@conterra.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.conterra.com!usenet said:

> The white race is best defined by the term "the PC's target".
>  
>      Take the ONLY countries you PC's really raise hell about not
> allowing
> in enough of the third world -- really, not just some words when you're
> called on it -- and  each of those countries will be recognized by
> anyone on earth as having a majority white population.
>         When you talk about "integrating the races" or "solving the race
> problem",  the population you're serious about integrating is ALWAYS
> white.  Again, the only exception is when you're called on it and dreg
> up some tiny group of examples of non-white integration.

	A notable characteristic of anti-racists is their *fear*
	of minorities.  They fear their wrath, they fear ideas
	that they may disapprove of, even feelings that paranoia
	leads them by the nose to believe may somehow contradict
	their intellectual jacket they bury their face in.

	When you become racist, you get *freedom*.  Freedom to
	examine feelings, ideas, suggestions by all angles;
	freedom to have friends and associates of all types;
	freedom to live, freedom to breathe, freedom to laugh.

	A breath of fresh air for the Western consciousness!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 07:38:13 PST 1996
Article: 37594 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: WHY DO REPUBLICANS WANT ASSAULT WEAPONS?
Date: 30 Nov 1996 12:13:56 -0800
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James C. Harrison  writing [ 2738] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!wilbur.sequent.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!205.252.116.190!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!hexis said:

> As Michael Lind has pointed out in several books, the current system for 
> electing senators is highly undemocratic since it makes an individual 
> Alaskan far more powerful than an individual Californian. It also gives 
> an unnatural amount of power to the mountain states with their right wing 
> tendencies. At the time of the Constitutional Convention one could make a 
> case for the rights of states as states--in those days one wrote "The 
> United States are...", not "the United States is"; but states rights has 
> long since become a code for racism and reaction. I'm a citizen of the 
> U.S.A., damn it, not California, and I don't want a handful of neonazis 
> from Idaho running the country.  
	
	

	Gee, a didn't think a handful of neonazis were running
	the country.  They sure do things a little differently
	than they did in the Reich!

	I use to have the misconception that the electoral
	college was somehow undemocratic.  But I realized that it
	was installed to strengthen the states, this being
	beneficial.  About the only reform that makes sense is to
	replace the human electors with automatic votes in accord
	with the election so there's no way of the electoral
	college violating the will of the voters; the current
	system means it's possible for nominees to vote as they
	please, however unlikely they could change the results of
	the election.  But these are dangerous times and
	everybody of any political orientation should *strongly*
	oppose efforts to amend the constitution in any way, as
	it's more than likely for the opportunists in government
	to trample on our rights in the process.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 07:38:14 PST 1996
Article: 37710 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,news.groups,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,rec.music.misc
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism, misc.activism.anti-fascism.*
Date: 1 Dec 1996 11:39:56 -0800
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Rich Graves  writing [ 6824] bytes in <57rkku$kt2@Networking.Stanford.EDU> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail trolls:

> 1. Kleim's rec.music.white-power proposal was a troll for publicity.
>    Everybody knows that now, and even Kleim admitted it right after the
>    vote count totals were announced.
	
	Yep.  A dishonest proponent as he didn't even like the
	music; his dislike of the form contributed to his 
	vitriolic hatred of skinheads.

> 2. As everybody knew, rec.music.white-power, to the (minor) extent that it
>    was a sincere effort to create a newsgroup, was an attempt to sneak a
>    political group into the rec.music hierarchy.
	
	Yes and no.  Do you even read any of the rec.* or
	humanities.* newsgroups?  Why, about 85% of the 
	articles in humanities.music.composers.wagner are 
	merely about politics.  Other newsgroups also have 
	many political articles that manage to "sneak" in.

> 3. There was much idiotic discussion among "free-speech activists" about
>    how "politically correct thought police" were "censoring Nazis." Declan
>    McCullagh posted a marked ballot to his strictly censored
>    "fight-censorship" self-promotion list urging people to vote yes on
>    Kleim's proposal on the loony basis that opposing a blatantly dishonest
>    troll amounted to censorship. 
	
	And McCullagh is honored among the net heroes listed in
	the YES category of the RESULTS for the CFV.

>                                  (Declan also clearly lied about something
>    a friend at the ADL had said, and pegged the ironometer by blocking
>    criticism of his reprehensible behavior from the "fight-censorship"
>    list, but that's another story.)
	
	No, just Graves has been twice censored from the 
	fight-censorship mailing list for his vitriolic flaming.
	Respectable opponents like Andrew Mathis are free to post
	as long as they avoid Gravian trolling.

> So I posted an RFD for talk.politics.socialism.national (later revised to
> talk.politics.natl-socialism). 
	
	The RFD violated three rules:

	#1)  Failing to include the moderated appendature in 
	the subject line;

	#2)  Failing to include the *.moderated suffix;

	#3)  Failing to use the appropriate misc.* or soc.* 
	prefix as moderated newsgroups do not belong in the 
	talk.* hierarchy.

	Besides talk.politics.natl-socialism being a stupid 
	name for a newsgroup.  

>                                My RFD read basically the same as Kleim's
> for rec.music.white-power, except that it was honest about being about
> Nazism, not "music"; explicitly welcomed anti-Nazi posts (because it was
> to be a group "about" Nazism); and included a robomoderator with the sole
> purpose of blocking crossposts 
	
	Liar.  The RFD stated that three or four newsgroup
	crossposting was permitted.  Moderated newsgroups must
	never allow crossposting.

> (many people, including me, believed that rmw-p was intended 
> as a net.nazi spamming platform). 
	
	And for what purpose?  soc.culture.europe is an
	unmoderated nazi newsgroup with better propagation than
	rec.music.white-power would likely initially have.

> 1. Show that if Kleim were sincerely interested in a discussion group, he
>    could have tried being honest.
	
	By insincere proponents?

> 2. Show that they really want to talk Nazism, not "music."
> 
> 3. Show that "censorship" of rmw-p wasn't the real issue. The real issue
>    was the clear dishonesty of its charter and proponent.

	Your spam-pain against the CFV exposed Graves more than
	it exposed Kleim.

> 1. news.groups regulars worked out appropriate naming and moderation
>    policy -- nicely illustrating, by way of contrast, that the rmw-p
>    proponent was an asshole interested only in making noise and getting
>    his name in the paper, not in creating a discussion forum.
	
	Golly, he's a glory hog just like you!  
	
	No wonder Kleim and Graves are bed buddies!

> I also realize I was on a serious ego trip of my own, thinking I could
> siglehandedly "show those Nazis how the Net deals with assholes." But that
> was only a couple months after my first exposure to the net.nazis.
	
	Weren't you the assault spammer who defended the 
	notorious Crusader crimes by claiming the victims were
	responsible for the attack?  Wasn't the Stanford.edu 
	server used in part of the Crusader attack?  Were you 
	trying to mislead the police in an effort to deflect 
	the investigation away from the hackers who did the 
	dirty deeds?

> And nothing ever could           http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john

	Doesn't anyone but me complain about your obsession 
	with posting URL's that are usually inaccurate?

	ftp://nizkor.org/pub/people/h/hron.john

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 08:48:03 PST 1996
Article: 115502 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
Date: 30 Nov 1996 13:01:24 -0800
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Roy Langston  writing [ 2831] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!swrinde!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!line207.nwm.mindlink.net!user said:

> >         *** 1992 Internal Revenue Service Figures ***
> > 
> >         Earnings               % filing capital gains 
> >         ------------------     ----------------------
> >         over $100,000                   3%
> >         less than $75,000              93%
> >         less than $50,000              83%
> >         less than $20,000              49%
> >         less than $10,000              27%
> 
> What does "% filing capital gains" mean?  Only 3% of the top group
> reported a capital gain, while 93% of the 2nd group did (assuming the 2nd
> group is actually $50,000-$75,000, rather than all filers under $75,000)? 
> These numbers are absurd and impossible.
	
	Where to look to find out official IRS statistics of 
	this nature?  Is there a place on the net?

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 08:48:03 PST 1996
Article: 115564 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.conspiracy
Subject: THE SUPPRESSION OF IDEAS/3 Biggest Industires in the World
Date: 29 Nov 1996 13:16:27 -0800
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Dave Tichenor  writing [ 1737] bytes in <329e809a.0@news1.starnetinc.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!204.178.185.19!news1.starnetinc.com!lv007-125.starnetinc.com said:

> Anybody who thinks that the most modern and advanced system to power
> automobiles is the gas powered combustable engine is an idiot. Any
> mechanical engineer knows that technology has been around for quite
> sometime that makes this engine obsolete. The only reason that we have
> gas powered automobiles is because the oil companies have been making
> large sums of money from it. How many technical advances have come
> about in the last twenty years, ten years, five years. My pentium is
> more than eight times as powerful than the newest models of 1991, and
> at 50-70% of the cost of these slower machines. 
> 
> The oil companies make billions of dollars every year. How much of
> that money do you think the oil companies want to lose next year, or
> the years after. 
	
	Easy solution: nationalize the industries.  If, then, oil
	prices remain a rip-off, at least we'll only be taking
	money out of one pocket, and putting it in our other
	pocket.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 08:48:04 PST 1996
Article: 116108 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism, misc.activism.anti-fascism.*
Date: 2 Dec 1996 15:58:44 -0800
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ron.schwarz <> writing [ 2907] bytes in <32a73355.64132139@news.netonecom.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.netonecom.net!usenet said:

> >>                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> >>               moderated group soc.politics.anti-fascism
> >>          moderated group misc.activism.anti-fascism.announce
> >>           moderated group misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics
> >	
> >	All of which be should opposed on the status of moderation.
> 
> This jerk is a fine one to bitch.  He thinks nothing of
> email-harassing Usenet posters with his racist bullshit, even when
> forbidden to do so, offering bullshit excuses like the following:
> 
> From: Troy Varange 
> Subject: Re: The Founding Of Classical Asia
> To: ron.schwarz@nethawk.com (ron schwarz)
> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 18:05:47 -0800 (PST)
> 
> > Public Usenet posts are not an invitation to send private racist email. 
> 	
> 	Indeed it is.  It's inherent in usenet that e-mail
> 	responses are suggested.
> 
> Imagine that -- opposing the formation of a newsgroup dedicated to
> discussing Nazi assholes without being pissed into oblivion *by* Nazi
> assholes.  
	
	Moderation only marks its users as a special clique and
	certainly are abused more often than just us ordinary
	folks.  Everyone hates a snob.

> I suppose next the asshole will lecture me on the impropriety of
> posting "private email".
	
	No, but if I had posted your e-mail you'd have whined
	about it, silly pissoir intellectual.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 08:48:05 PST 1996
Article: 116182 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
Date: 1 Dec 1996 14:50:45 -0800
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John Parker  writing [ 2672] bytes in <32a2b454.74910664@news.binc.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.binc.net!news said:

> >Also interesting is how little the media explains what a
> >capital gains tax cut is.  I wonder how many people Republicans
> >have managed to convince that it's a real tax cut for your
> >average American.  I wonder just how many small investors
> >actually believe they will be the main beneficiaries of this
> >cut.
> 
> Typical loser liberal concept to believe that just because he didn't
> have the slightest notion of what a capital gain was until he heard it
> mentioned in the political arena, that everybody else is as clueless
> as he is.   
	
	I've filed Schedules D and 1116 and know very well what a
	capital gain is and the majority certainly do not know 
	the meaning of what a capital gain is and who it benefits 
	or there'd be much stronger public demands to revoke the 
	tax distinction between earned and unearned income.  I'm
	also aware of how nitpicking the IRS regulations are and
	realize that the primary beneficiery of the persnickery
	complex rules is the rich.

>             IMHO, one basic difference between a conservative and a
> liberal is that the conservative is responsible enough to have taken a
> little of his paycheck and invested it, while the liberal just
> squandered it, and most of these small investors know exactly what how
> much they'll benefit from such a cut.
	
	No doubt the average conservative knows more about
	economics than the average socialist.  It shows!

	As for a small investor being helped by a tax cut on
	unearned income, this is true in the short-sighted sense,
	but small investors are hurt in the macro-economic
	sense.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 09:57:40 PST 1996
Article: 95659 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: British Jew Married A Pakistani Muslim?
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:21:04 -0800
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chakravorty bonnie jean  writing [ 1165] bytes in <57k7fm$2t6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.thecia.net!out2.nntp.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!bchakrav said:

>  This wouldn't be the first time such a pairing ocured. Emma Samm's first
> husband was a British Muslim of Pakistani descent. I agree with you on Jemima, ntho - not Jewish.

	The rich are so decadent!  They stink!

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 09:57:42 PST 1996
Article: 95715 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Is Starlin Jewish?
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:23:01 -0800
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  writing [  598] bytes in <329c8994.59575043@204.30.237.53> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!super.zippo.com!zdc!zippo!news said:

> I happened to see a Starlin's picture the other day and he had "Jewish
> face, especially nose". Is he Jewish?

	No, but Lenin and Trotsky were.
	
	Whom are you quoting?

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 09:57:44 PST 1996
Article: 95746 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Is Starlin Jewish?
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:31:31 -0800
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Randolph Parrish  writing [ 1227] bytes in <57kb7m$6qe@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!204.245.3.50!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail said:

> >I happened to see a Starlin's picture the other day and he had "Jewish
> >face, especially nose". Is he Jewish?
> 
>    No, Stalin was a Georgian ( a minority group in the Caucausus
> Mountains. He was also descended from some of the Ossetian people
> (another minority there, who were famous for their primitive
> devil-worshipping sects.)
>      Stalin hated Jews and had plans before he died to exterminate all
> the Jews in Russia, just like Hitler. They were to be deported to
> Siberia, where, either there or during the journey, the majority of
> them would have died. Only his (timely) death prevented this. 
	
	That was a legend spread by Beria and his underlings 
	after they poisoned Stalin in the hope of succession.
	Stalin's family was intermarried to Kaganovich, a staunch
	Stalin supporting Jew up to his death in 1992 and not
	involved in the assasination.  Stalin had no hate for
	Jews.

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 09:57:46 PST 1996
Article: 95761 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: JEWS ARE ASIATIC
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:33:33 -0800
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Bryan Shane  writing [ 1121] bytes in <57hq5f$o80@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!snunews.snu.ac.kr!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!129.34.139.15!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!poknews.pok.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!news@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com said:

> Jews are not a race, they are a people.  Judaism is a sociological
> identity, not a genetic identity.  Jews cannot be categorized by
> ethnicity.  Any ethnicity can include Jews.
	
	Is that just an excuse to go after the gentile girls?

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 09:57:47 PST 1996
Article: 95762 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Boycott Black Athletes, Now!
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:35:05 -0800
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Bryan Shane  writing [  935] bytes in <57ffht$1688@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com> from nexp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!poknews.pok.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!news@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com said:

> >...BARD IS A CAPITALIST JEW WHO IS UPSET THAT HE COULDN'T
> >RAPE HIS BLACK SECRETARY.
> 
> He finally succeeded.  That was your mother, Troy.
> It's not nice to dis your daddy.

	So you're defending BARD, now?  He's quite a pig!

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 09:57:49 PST 1996
Article: 95763 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.australia
Subject: British Jew Married A Pakistani Muslim?
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:17:01 -0800
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Red Herring  writing [ 1583] bytes in <329e31ad.34611648@news.gulfstream.org> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.cdsnet.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!tezcat!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!chaos.crhc.uiuc.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news said:

> >Is that true that a pretty jewish girl, a daughter of 5th richest guy in
> >Britain married to a Pakistani sportsman who is twice her age?
> >
> >If it is, then how it happened and when?
> 
> 	She was a self-hater.   Thankfully, she converted to Islam
> 	and therefore is no longer Jewish.
> 
> 	I wish all self-haters followed her lead.
	
	Self haters get what they deserve.

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 10:50:37 PST 1996
Article: 47841 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: INFILTRATORS OF THE PATRIOT MOVEMENT
Date: 1 Dec 1996 15:16:30 -0800
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  writing [ 2845] bytes in <849412165$9555@atype.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!oronet!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!137.103.200.126!atype.com!militia-request said:

> >	                      There's been infiltration of the
> >	militia movement such as the agents who try hard 
> >	advocating real members to rob banks and blow up
> >	buildings.
> >
> >	Such as McVeigh and Nichols, violent anti-racists
> >	attacking the police with the intent to provoke reprisals
> >	against the militia movement.
> 
> LOL! nice try little troynazi, but you forgot all those phone calls
> McVeigh made to elohim city and the notional appliance
> headquarters...remember, your masters were too stupid to realize that the
> phone company keeps records of *all* phone calls...and those records are
> being subpoenaed for the OKC civil trial...Mc Veigh is nothing more than
> another little nazi, just like you.
	
	Nazis don't marry Philipinos, such as Terry Nichols did.

	And those phone calls, *if* they were ever made, are akin
	to the calls that infiltrators make in their effort to
	deflect blame onto the good guys.

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 10:50:38 PST 1996
Article: 47868 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Hello New World Order  (If Dole Won)
Date: 30 Nov 1996 16:23:38 -0800
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	Since Dole's viewpoint is the same as Clinton's it's no
	surprise that the New World Order activists won another
	battle.

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 11:05:36 PST 1996
Article: 115945 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism, misc.activism.anti-fascism.*
Date: 28 Nov 1996 01:38:47 -0800
Organization: Moderator of news.groups
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Message-ID: 
References: <188013=tallpaul@nyct.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl7.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.europe:49963 news.groups:167864 news.admin.net-abuse.misc:115945

  writing [13525] bytes in <329cc8f0.24704778@news.nyct.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!165.254.2.53!news2.new-york.net!not-for-mail said:

> The proposed creation of another group by Rich Graves and Milton
> Kleim called  did interfere, coming
> as it did before the vote on  had even been announced.
	
	Not even Kleim was dorky enough to propose that group.  It
	was simply a moderated group that Graves proposed out of
	vanity.
	
> During the past discussion period in  we also heard
> of an ominous development where forces deeply hostile to our
> anti-fascist organizing were planning on introducing a
> counter-proposal for the  hierarchy. Our best
> information and belief that the "new" "anti-fascist" proposal was
> designed to introduce maximum confusion over the different
> proposals and the politics reflected in them.
	
	Buddy, the thing to realize is that other clique is not
	fueled by ideology.  They're conservatives who don't like
	radicalism, period.

> Of course fascists on the net are already open, as anyone who has
> seen the sometimes barrage of anti-Semitic, homophobic, racist,
> and sexist spams knows. 

	Don't forget that 65% of those posts are done by
	anti-racist activists, often conservatives.

>                              So the "anti-fascist"
>  group would only do for the fascists what they
> could not do for themselves: create a base for fascist propaganda
> in the Usenet Big 8 hierarchy with the prestige and group
> propagation that accompanies this. This notion, when presented
> openly by the cybernazis like M. Kleim was reject by some 40,000
> net users; it would hardly do for real anti-fascists to help
> return it in the distorted guise of anti-fascism!
	
	Too late. The nazis have the soc.culture.europe newsgroup
	as a full fledged racist group.

> The evidence available clearly shows that people like P.I.
> Mathisen, C. Faatz, and C.A. Williams were not (repeat not)
> involved in this manipulation of the  hierarchy.
	
	It should be noted that C. Faatz lied when he claimed to
	be a socialist.  He is not.  If he is an actual member of
	a socialist group, that would only show how far the right
	wing has gone to weaken the movement.

> I hope to have the time to make additional investigations into
> the origins of the "Jay Betrug" (Jay Fraud) spam as well as the
> vertical spam or mail bombing of the vote taker.
	
	Eight months after the fact?!??  The net has such short
	memories.

	Who remembers the fantastic Crusader anti-racist spam
	designed to raise funds for anti-racist groups?  I was
	expecting the culprits to go to prison for their hacking
	into networks to do their dirty work.  But nothing
	happened.

> My understanding of the vote stamp proposal is essentially as
> follows:
	
	All of which is completely unnecessary.  If the UVV is
	responsible enough to carry out his duties, charges of
	vote fraud are easily self-verified. 

	Now with Michael Handler, he openly admitted that there
	was no verification of the e-mail addresses in the vote
	tabulation, thus he did not do a proper CFV.  As for that
	"accidental" mail-bombing of epic proportions to his
	server, that he didn't report it to the police raises
	suspicion.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 11:05:37 PST 1996
Article: 116497 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.policy,alt.cabal,alt.config,alt.conspiracy.usenet-cabal
Subject: Massive rmgroups -- Net Abuse
Date: 2 Dec 1996 17:59:13 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl3.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:116497 news.admin.censorship:20734 alt.config:73414

Article 15995 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.groups.test
Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.groups.test
Control: rmgroup news.groups.test
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <849569705.20767@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:35:05 GMT
Lines: 5
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAgUBMqNnqcJdOtO4janBAQGa3wQAkfqfq8YApm4JcxUpwJQoZLWgk4q8ytWG
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	XbSljjXlDmg=
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news.groups.test is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.

misc.test should be used instead.


Article 15992 of control.rmgroup:
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From: newsadmin@efn.org
Newsgroups: eug.music.techno
Subject: cmsg rmgroup eug.music.techno
Control: rmgroup eug.music.techno
Approved: newsadmin@efn.org
Message-ID: <849557900.18824@news.efn.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:18:20 GMT
Lines: 2
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
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	m2GX0/vusi0=
	=ONOl

The eug.music.techno newsgroup no longer exists. Please remove
eug.music.techno from your active file.


Article 15993 of control.rmgroup:
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From: newsadmin@efn.org
Newsgroups: eug.sysop
Subject: cmsg rmgroup eug.sysop
Control: rmgroup eug.sysop
Approved: newsadmin@efn.org
Message-ID: <849557754.18765@news.efn.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:15:54 GMT
Lines: 2
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.6.2 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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	bIn5daxMSrQ=
	=bV0J

The eug.sysop newsgroup no longer exists. Please remove
eug.sysop from your active file.


Article 15991 of control.rmgroup:
Control: rmgroup biz.general unmoderated
Newsgroups: biz.config,biz.control,news.groups,biz.general
Path: nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!xenitec!edhew
From: biz Newsgroup Authority 
Subject: cmsg rmgroup biz.general unmoderated
Organization: biz hierarchy Administration
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 20:55:02 GMT
Approved: edhew@xenitec.on.ca
Message-ID: <1996Dec01.212730.29300@xenitec.on.ca>
Sender: edhew@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Lines: 14

rmgroup biz.general unmoderated

As per discussion and agreement in biz.config, the old unmoderated
biz.general newsgroup is being replaced with a new _moderated_
biz.general newsgroup.  The appropriate newgroup cmsg will be
issued shortly.

Please ensure that your newsgroups file now shows biz.general to be
moderated.

"biz" news admins are requested to honor this rmgroup control cmsg.
--
  Ed. A. Hew 
  biz FAQ maintainer, biz newsgroup authority, various other hats.


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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.cannabis
Subject: cmsg rmgroup misc.activism.cannabis
Control: rmgroup misc.activism.cannabis
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <849471007.24529@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 20:10:07 GMT
Lines: 5
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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	e1KSJKDeB5E=
	=z06M

The recent newgroup for this group in my name was a forgery.

misc.activism.cannabis is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given
that it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation
procedures.  Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 15989 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: sci.med.cannabis
Subject: cmsg rmgroup sci.med.cannabis
Control: rmgroup sci.med.cannabis
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <849471006.24522@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 20:10:06 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
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	yclvcnAebzY=
	=VW61

sci.med.cannabis is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 15988 of control.rmgroup:
Control: rmgroup soc.roots
Newsgroups: soc.roots,soc.genealogy.misc
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From: twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: rmgroup soc.roots
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: kimbark-nfs.uchicago.edu
Message-ID: 
Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator)
Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 10:58:42 GMT
Approved: twpierce@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce)
Lines: 4

Soc.roots was replaced by the soc.genealogy.* hierarchy in
the fall of 1994.  If you are still carrying soc.roots,
please remove it or alias it to soc.genealogy.misc.



Article 15985 of control.rmgroup:
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Newsgroups: control,ie.checkgroups
Date: 29 Nov 1996 14:54:44
Subject: cmsg rmgroup ie.news
Control: rmgroup ie.news
From: usenet@Ireland.EU.net
Approved: usenet@Ireland.EU.net
Organisation: EUnet Ireland
Lines: 1
Message-ID: <27680.445414291096@Ireland.EU.net>

An informal discussion took place on ie.news.group and ie.announce about
re-vamping the ie.* heirarchy.  It was agreed by majority vote that
ie.news should be removed due to lack activity on the group since its
creation.  Please remove the group from your active file.



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Newsgroups: control,ie.checkgroups
Date: 29 Nov 1996 14:54:25
Subject: cmsg rmgroup ie.followup
Control: rmgroup ie.followup
From: usenet@Ireland.EU.net
Approved: usenet@Ireland.EU.net
Organisation: EUnet Ireland
Lines: 1
Message-ID: <27586.255414291096@Ireland.EU.net>

An informal discussion took place on ie.news.group and ie.announce about
re-vamping the ie.* heirarchy.  It was agreed by majority vote that
ie.followup should be removed due to lack activity on the group since its
creation.  Please remove the group from your active file.



Article 15986 of control.rmgroup:
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From: fj-committee@cow.nara.sharp.co.jp
Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers
Subject: cmsg rmgroup fj.comp.printers
Message-ID: <1798234744@perier.cow.nara.sharp.co.jp>
Date: 29 Nov 96 03:44:07 GMT
Control: rmgroup fj.comp.printers
Distribution: fj
Organization: fj Newsgroups Management Committee
Lines: 17
Approved: kanjy@cow.nara.sharp.co.jp

haru@fmslab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Ryoji HARUKI) さんより
96年10月2日に fj.news.group.comp にて報告があった通り
次のニュースグループの廃止案が異議なく可決されました。
規定通り二週間の周知期間をじゅうぶんに経ましたので, 
rmgroup コントロールメッセージを発行します。

+fj.comp.printers	Printers, hardware & software.
  プリンタについて。

代わりに以下のニュースグループをご使用ください。

+fj.comp.dev.printer	Discussion on printers, plotters, etc.
  プリンタやプロッタなどに関する話題。

-- 
fj Newsgroups Management Committee
fjニュースグループ管理委員会


Article 15987 of control.rmgroup:
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From: fj-committee@cow.nara.sharp.co.jp
Newsgroups: csie.bbs.fj.comp
Subject: cmsg rmgroup fj.comp.printers
Control: rmgroup fj.comp.printers
Date: 29 Nov 96 03:44:07 GMT
Organization: fj Newsgroups Management Committee
Lines: 17
Approved: kanjy@cow.nara.sharp.co.jp
Distribution: fj
Message-ID: <1798234744@perier.cow.nara.sharp.co.jp.z>
Reply-To: fj-committee%cow.nara.sharp.co.jp@b2j.csie.nctu.edu.tw
NNTP-Posting-Host: news@netnews.csie.nctu.edu.tw
X-Newsgroups: fj.comp.printers

haru@fmslab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Ryoji HARUKI) zoq
96~102R fj.news.group.comp RMiJFqq
UUoQiMseFC
WwqqGgUPyl]zRgeFUN, 
rmgroup yoe@C

+fj.comp.printers	Printers, hardware & software.
  RKMC

NvqRHUUyGC

+fj.comp.dev.printer	Discussion on printers, plotters, etc.
  kQPR@rDC

-- 
fj Newsgroups Management Committee
fjze|


Article 15979 of control.rmgroup:
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From: news@news.dknet.dk
Newsgroups: dk.admin
Subject: cmsg rmgroup dk.kurser.dcomp
Control: rmgroup dk.kurser.dcomp
Date: 28 Nov 1996 14:56:42 +0100
Organization: DKnet A/S
Lines: 2
Approved: sbs@DK.net
Message-ID: <57k5mq$8tb@news.dknet.dk>

dk.kurser.dcomp is no longer used for its original purpose, and is hereby requested removed.



Article 15983 of control.rmgroup:
Control: rmgroup ut.dcs.dbois
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Newsgroups: ut.config,ut.dcs.dbois
From: jdd@cs.toronto.edu (John DiMarco)
Subject: rmgroup ut.dcs.dbois
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: goodwill.cs.toronto.edu
Message-ID: <1996Nov27.142646.24081@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>
Organization: CS Lab, University of Toronto
Distribution: ut
Date: 27 Nov 96 19:26:47 GMT
Approved: news@cs.toronto.edu
Lines: 11

ut.dcs.dbois is obsolete.  Please remove the group from your active file.
ut.dcs.db should be used instead.

Regards,

John
--
John DiMarco                          Office: LP374C
CSLab Systems Manager                                     Phone: 416-978-5300
University of Toronto                                     Fax:   416-978-4765
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~jdd


Article 15980 of control.rmgroup:
Control: rmgroup ut.dcs.dbois
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Newsgroups: ut.dcs.dbois
From: djast@cs.toronto.edu (Dan Astoorian)
Subject: rmgroup ut.dcs.dbois
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: beach.cs.toronto.edu
Message-ID: <1996Nov27.145229.470@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>
Organization: CS Lab, University of Toronto
Distribution: ut
Date: 27 Nov 96 19:52:29 GMT
Approved: djast@cs.toronto.edu
Lines: 1

Superceded by ut.dcs.db.


Article 15982 of control.rmgroup:
Control: rmgroup ut.dcs.dbois
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Newsgroups: ut.dcs.dbois
From: djast@cs.toronto.edu (Dan Astoorian)
Subject: rmgroup ut.dcs.dbois
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: beach.cs.toronto.edu
Message-ID: <1996Nov27.145443.1209@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>
Organization: CS Lab, University of Toronto
Distribution: ut
Date: 27 Nov 96 19:54:43 GMT
Approved: djast@cs.toronto.edu
Lines: 1

Superceded by ut.dcs.db.


Article 15978 of control.rmgroup:
Path: nexp.crl.com!emerald.nb.net!news.emi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.igc.net!discovery.igc.net!trace
From: trace@igc.net (Trace Computing)
Newsgroups: alt.control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.lang.vb5.rumors
Control: rmgroup alt.lang.vb5.rumors
Date: 27 Nov 1996 19:14:05 GMT
Organization: Internet Gateway Connections - 800-IGC-WEBB
Lines: 6
Approved: david@iname.com
Message-ID: <57i3tt$d9c@news.igc.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.igc.net
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

alt.lang.vb5.rumors was created so that people could discuss Microsoft
Visual Basic 5.0 while it was in the beta.  Now that Visual Basic 5.0 is
about to be released, this group is no longer required.

Please remove this group from your active file.



Article 15977 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: misc.industry.utilities.natural.gas
Subject: cmsg rmgroup misc.industry.utilities.natural.gas
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Article 15981 of control.rmgroup:
Control: rmgroup nl.markt
Newsgroups: nl.newsgroups.ctl
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From: news@a3.xs4all.nl (nl-authority)
Subject: cmsg rmgroup nl.markt
Organization: A3, Bilthoven, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:38:20 GMT
Approved: nl-authority@dl.surfnet.nl
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Reden van verwijdering / Reason for removal:


Na de splitsing van nl.markt in een aantal nl.markt.* groepen dient
nl.markt (na een overgangsperiode van 30 dagen) volgens afspraak te
worden opgeheven.

De genoemde splitsing leverde de volgende nl.markt.* groepen op:
nl.markt.comp
nl.markt.muziek
nl.markt.vervoer
nl.markt.wonen
nl.markt.overig

Deze vijf groepen werden op 7 oktober 1996 aangemaakt, daarom kan
nl.markt nu worden verwijderd.


nl.markt behoort nu niet meer tot de nl-hierarchie.
nl.markt does not belong to the nl-hierarchy anymore.

NB. Alleen de nl-authority is gemachtigd om rmgroup control messages
met betrekking tot de nl-hierarchie over heel Usenet te verspreiden.
Dit gebeurt vanaf news@a3.xs4all.nl en news@info.nic.surfnet.nl

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 11:35:54 PST 1996
Article: 31426 of alt.usenet.kooks
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.culture.usenet,alt.religion.kibology,alt.cascade,harvard.general,su.etc,well.politics,netcom.general
Subject: Turn on the Anti-Cascade Machine!
Date: 1 Dec 1996 19:49:20 -0800
Organization: Moderator of alt.flame
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Andy Wing  writing [ 1499] bytes in <3HPoy0zTP/ZV084yn@astro.ocis.temple.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!agwing said:

> In article <578npr$1i6@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
> wilhelp@ix.netcom.com (Bill Palmer ) wrote:
> >The Anti-Cascade Machine has been a colossal success
> >thus far.
> 
>     So when will we see alt.anti.cascade created?  Logical, eh?
	
	What we need is rec.cascade.moderated.  Anyone want to
	start the RFD?
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec  3 18:00:15 PST 1996
Article: 96864 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,la.general
Subject: Intermarriage = Mistake ?
Date: 2 Dec 1996 07:29:51 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.jewish
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Jeffrey Bolden  writing [ 1304] bytes in <57kenn$2iq@epx.cis.umn.edu> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!usenet said:

> kisu@sci.fi (Hiski Haapoja) writes:
> 
> >Hilary Glazer (ag510@lafn.org) wrote:
> >: Intermarriage is not always a mistake but apparently in my case it is... 
> >: he is a Lutheran Christian, I am a (liberal, reform, whatever) jew.  Our 
> 
> >: This is so ugly because he is full of guilt, 'original sin' and other 
> >: nonsense.
> 
> >Excuse me for getting theological while you suffer, but who invented the
> >concept of "original sin"? It is based on the Garden of Eden story and
> >therefore I would call it a Jewish product until otherwise proven.
> 
> Well the notion goes back as far as history records.  The modern doctrine
> came from Saint Augustine in his commentery on Genesis.
	
	Augustine was a pervert.

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From varange@crl.com Wed Dec  4 06:22:06 PST 1996
Article: 116698 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.groups,news.admin.policy,rec.pets.cats.clowder,misc.activism.cannabis,news.admin.meow,rec.music.white-power,news,news.admin.censorship
Subject: REC.MUSIC.WHITE-POWER
Date: 3 Dec 1996 14:11:16 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Russ Allbery   writing [ 3872] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!night.primate.wisc.edu!caen!news.eecs.umich.edu!voskovec.radio.cz!news.shkoo.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!usenet said:

> > A simple question.  Does the privilege of voting on usenet issues come
> > with a e-mail account?
> 
> Nope.  There's no such thing as "the priviledge of voting on Usenet
> issues."  CFVs on newsgroups are opinion polls to determine the number of
> people interested in reading a new group (or otherwise interested in
> seeing it created) and the number of people with major problems with the
> group.  This information is then used by news administrators to determine
> which groups to carry.  The entire process has nothing to do with
> democracy, priviledges, democratic votes, or anything of the sort.
> 
> This system is undermined by people voting who have no intention of
> reading the group, no interest in the subject being discussed, or a lack
> of information about exactly what's going on.
	
	It should be pointed out that admins, of course, can
	create and delete any newsgroups they please.

	I'd be happy to see tale@uu.net undermined by admins 
	creating such "bogus" newsgroups, on user request, as
	rec.music.white-power, rec.pets.cats.clowder,
	misc.activism.cannabis, etc.  If nntp providers would
	routinely carry everything that comes down the pike, this
	would be effective in democratising usenet, as
	eventually, enough users would demand such newsgroups,
	regardless of tale's wishes.  Already, there's many sites
	that simply ignore the renaming of newsgroups, even
	newsgroups renamed years ago.  Realizing the way good
	news systems are maintained, there's little space or
	effiency lost in fully hierarchizing and locally
	expanding newsgroups.

	For example, instead of just carrying

	rec.misc
	rec.pets.cats
	rec.pets.misc

	directorizing and expanding to 

	rec
	rec.misc
	rec.pets
	rec.pets.cats
	rec.pets.cats.clowder
	rec.pets.misc

	Six newsgroups, instead of three.

	Already many sites carry five of these newsgroups,
	despite two of these five having "bogus" status.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Dec  5 06:01:16 PST 1996
Article: 37892 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.criticism,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.sex,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Are There Races?
Date: 4 Dec 1996 11:24:55 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Jim Walsh  writing [ 2513] bytes in <5833v8$5jf@keelung.transend.com.tw> said:

> ::If race was strictly social, how could it be identified via hair samples, bone 
> ::fragments, etc?  And how could one tell Africans from Asians? Races exist as
> ::physical and physiological traits which can be used to identify a distinct 
> ::grouping of people, and skin colour is but ONE identifying charecteristic.
> 
> The answer is that ONE CANNOT tell Africans from Asians by DNA. Anyone who 
> suggests different is lying, or guessing.
> 
> I don't mean that if one decides that "Asians" means narrow-eyes, which is a 
> gross over-simplification, that one cannot find the genes for narrow-eyes and 
> then "predict" that this person might probably be Asian (or Native American or
> an American with Asian parents, or a Asiatic Jew from Russia, or ...). Get 
> real.
	
	"Native Americans," "Americans with Asian parents," and
	"Asiatic Jews form Russia" all have blood of the
	Mongoloid race!  They are Asians!

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Dec  5 06:01:18 PST 1996
Article: 37913 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,soc.history,sci.agriculture
Subject: Definition Of White Race
Date: 4 Dec 1996 12:13:55 -0800
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Bob Whitaker   writing [ 3434] bytes in <32A5B470.678B@conterra.com> said:

> > Just browsing this curious discussion. It occurs to me that if ET's
> > call us "human", what will (do) we call ET's???  Is not "ET" a racial
> > term?  Sure sound like it to me.
	
	No, outer space aliens will consider us all primates,
	just like the biologists do.  Just another type of
	babboon with silly habits.  Why, our rectoriate is
	full of simian consciousness!

> > A DNA expert will also tell us that there is only a 2% genetic
> > difference between apes and humans.  But what an important 2%. Yet,
> > that won't convince many that there is a difference between animals and
> > humans.  Just consider the "animal rights brigades" which kill people
> > to spare laboratory animals. 
	
	Well, I think PETA takes that consideration more
	literally, re: "Animal companions," etc.

> > One definition of "race" that I recall from somewhere (animal breeding
> > perhaps) is that a race is a group that breeds true to form from
> > generation to generation. I'm willing to give a dog, cat or human group
> > the degree of distinction they have acquired from their heredity. 
	
	Well, the sickly "patent" animals of agribusiness 
	deserve no credit in upbreeding.

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From varange@crl.com Thu Dec  5 07:29:18 PST 1996
Article: 116869 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.policy,alt.flame,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.astrology,harvard.general,su.etc,alt.evil,news.admin.meow,news.announce.fluffy
Subject: Massive rmgroups -- Net Abuse
Date: 5 Dec 1996 01:09:14 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Prof. Roman J.J. Ashburg  writing [ 2378] bytes in <58474k$353@mozz.unh.edu> said:

> On 4 Dec 1996 07:29:51 -0500, boursy@ziplink.net (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
> 
> >Dave Ratcliffe  wrote:
> >>
> >>In , varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote:
> >>
> >>[ whole boatload full of control messages deleted ]
> >>
> >>Get a clue Troy. There's no abuse when the people responsible for the 
> >>job in the various hierarchies do the rmgrouping. 
> >>
> >
> >	There are not set of individuals 'responsible' for this.
> >
> >			Steve
> >			news.admin.censorship
> 
> For Christ's sake, Steve.  You must really be stupid.  Of course there are
> people who are responsible for various hierarchies.  Who the hell do you think
> should have this responsibility instead?  Everyone?  You know damn well that if
> that were the case then the only traffic on Usenet would be this huge constant
> struggle between rmgroup messages and newgroup messages.  It would be a mess.
> If you want a hierarchy with your own rules, however, no one will stop you from
> making one.  Go ahead and do it.  Just stop your incessant blathering, please.
> Now go play with your little Freedom Knights like a good little troll.

So it's just "better" that David Lawraence should control
usenet?

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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec  7 11:02:07 PST 1996
Article: 117289 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.conspiracy,soc.history,soc.culture.china,aus.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.china,alt.personals.intercultural,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.mexican,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.libertarian,soc.culture.indian
Subject: The World Community Demands The End Of Hate
Date: 6 Dec 1996 01:55:27 -0800
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OSCAR SCHLAF  writing [ 9415] bytes in <587sar$1im@news.nevada.edu> said:

> Troy Varange (varange@crl.com) wrote:
> : Bob Whitaker   writing [ 3434] bytes 
> : in <32A5B470.678B@conterra.com> said:
> : 
> : > My problem with the PC clones' so-called "color blindness" is
> : > that, in terms of real world results, They are only interested
> : > in doing it in white majority countries.  They demand massive
> : > third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
> : > ONLY into white majority countries.  They demand their so-called
> : > "race" mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and use
> : > public money for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase
> : > down any white excapees.  Their so-called solution to the race
> : > problem is always only the final solution to the *white*
> : > problem.
> : 	
> : 	Indeed.  Are they pressuring the well-off Asian areas of 
> : 	Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan to allow free immigration 
> : 	from Nigeria, Rwanda, Kenya, Bangladesh, Haiti, and
> : 	other impoverished countries of where many citizens wish 
> : 	to emmigrate?
> : 
> 
>  Hong Kong is a British Crown Colony and has immigrants from several 
> different places. Singapore is made up of Malaysians, East Indians, Madrin 
> Chinese, and Cantonese Chinese. And japan has a signifigant Korean minority.
        
Fascist racist Japan has only 0.5 - 1.0% percentage Koreans, and
they aren't even allowed to be citizens!

>    As for Africans immigrating to these places, the Africans don't care 
> to, because they known they'll have it better in Europe, US, and Canada.

Why apologize for Chinese conduct?  All Africans don't want to go
to China?!??

> : 	China is in a hell of a lot better shape than Bangladesh!
> 
>   last time I checked Bangladesh citizens weren't being run over by tanks 
> or limited to one child. Though it would probably be good idea on the 
> child part.

No, Bangladeshis are starving to death from racist policies in
Asia.

> : 	So how come Chinese politicians aren't *demanding* free
> : 	immigration from the lesser endowed nations? 
> 
>  China has 1.3 Billion people, who they can barely grow enough food for.
> They hardly need an influx of more people.

China has a low population density, contrary to what the
chauvinists say.

>  Why isn't
> : 	China immigrating 0.5 - 1.0 percent of her population
> : 	every year like Canada and the USA?
> 
>  because they have 1.3 Billion people that's why. And the US & Canada 
> still has large amounts of open fertile land, China doesn't. The Gobi 
> Desert & the artic conditions of Tibet aren't the best places to grow things
> or for people to live in.
> 
> :  Why doesn't China have hate crime laws that combat the ignorant poor 
> :  racist inbred "yellownecks" who harass African-Chinese immigrants,
> 
>  What? There are no African immigrants to China. No African would want to 
> move to a country that flattens people with tanks and limits all your 
> other freedoms as well. If the Africans wanted that they could have just 
> stayed in Africa. Also the fact that most African countries have English 
> or French as a national language makes it alot more easier for them to 
> intigrate into US, Canadian, or European society then Chinese.

Rediculous!  You can't speak for all Africans!  Compared to the
horrendously bad treatment of Africans in the USA, the wide open
spaces of China would be a breath of fresh air!

> : 	insisting there is such a thing as a "Chinese" race and/or 
> : 	culture.  
> 
>   Well your partially right thier is no 'Chinese" race or culture. There's a 
> Madrian Chinese Culture, Hunan Culture, Cantonese Culuture, 
> Tibetian, Manchurian culture and so on. 
>    No one wants to move to China due to the opressive totaliterian 
> government there, So China never had to bother to limit immigration. A 
> person wanting to emigrate to China would be like a JEw during WWII 
> wanting to emmigrate to Nazi Germany.

That's absurd!  The Chinese racists pretend it's the
"totalitarian" government, to pass the buck, but it's really
their sorry racist attitudes at play.

> 
> 
> : 	"Overpopulation," such a Hitlerian excuse!
> 
>   Hitlerian? Hitler had nothing to say on overpopulation. Just enslaving 
> the slavs, wiping out the JEws, and making the the "Aryan race" supreme 
> rulers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Holland,
> : 	among the densest populations in the world, has no
> : 	problem with free immigration, so "overpopulation" is 
> : 	just the typical frothing at the mouth fascism.
> 
> 
> Guess you haven't heard of The Law of Exponetial Growth. And people are 
> hardly beating down the door to get into China.  
>   Your making a rather pointless arguement because noone wants to 
> emigrate to China so China hardly needs to restrict immigration. It would 
> be like asking why Nigeria or South Africa doesn't take it Mexican 
> immigrants.

China has among the strictest immigration laws in the world.
It's their exclusionary attutudes that keep out immigrants.

> : 	So we anti-racists of the world community *demand* that
> : 	racist East-Asia open their borders to our brother world
> : 	citizens in Bangladesh, Zaire, Somalia, Haiti, India, 
> : 	Venezuala, Mexico, Guatamala, Cuba, Checha, Pakistan, 
> : 	Serbia, Libya, Morocco, etc.,
> 
>   People emigrate to the US & Canada because of the oppurtunities here
> not because other areas of the world limit the immigration.

China has among the strictest immigration laws in the world.
It's their exclusionary attutudes that keep out immigrants.

> 
> 
>  to enrich our global
> : 	culture, to free paleolithic East Asia of ignorance of 
> : 	other cultures
> 
>  paleolithic? Are you saying East Asia is still in the stone age? Because 
> that's what paleolithic means.  Bronze was first smelted in East Asia, 
> , first paper, first compass, first 
> gunpowder, first supension bridge, first cannon, and so on. And Modern China,
> South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan are world leaders in electronics. They are 
> hardly "paleo-lithic"
>   And if The East Asians were so ignorant of other cultures, then they 
> wouldn't be such leaders in technology and sell so much crap to us 
> westernerns. And if You ever bothered to read up on Modern Japan & Korea 

Just like the Nazis in 1933-1939?

> you'd see that thier very Western Oriented. They are taught English, wear 
> American clothes, watch American tv & music,  eat American foods, and 
> drive American cars. Isolationist they aren't.

They exploit their "client countries" TO THE MAX and try their
hardest to "keep out the riff-raff."  They're as opposed to
Isolationism as the or the slave trafficers or Third Reich.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec  7 12:33:07 PST 1996
Article: 97996 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.history,misc.immigration.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Jim Walsh - Social Fascist
Date: 6 Dec 1996 14:17:18 -0800
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Jim Walsh  writing [ 2538] bytes in <583kj7$cur@keelung.transend.com.tw> said:

> Actually Brandeis is exactly correct. The idea of "Jews" exist primarily in 
> the mind of the anti-Semite. 

Brandeis said that the concept of Judiasm is anti-Semitic?!??

> Anti-Semites accept the fact that a Catholic can change their religion, that 
> an unskilled worker's child can be educated and achieve high-culture, that a 
> the child of a lord can degenerate into a fiend, but (to the anti-Semite) a 
> Jew is a Jew is a Jew. 

That is Orthodox Judaism, the mainstream Judaism when Brandeis
served on the Supreme Court.

> "Anti-Semitism creates Jews".

Au contraire.  There has been no antisemitism where there are no
Jews.

"Jews create Anti-Semitism," is your slogan should you wish to be
more logical in your silly statements.

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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec  7 12:33:08 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Fascist Asia - A Threat To Peace
Date: 6 Dec 1996 13:50:26 -0800
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  writing [ 3460] bytes in <849861321.12691@dejanews.com> said:

> After the many tragedies perpetrated at home and around the world by 
> the European powers, it should be clear to all that the Fascist 
> mentality is a recurring and characteristic feature of the Europeapsyche and 
> culture.  Of course there are moderate people there, as 
> elsewhere, but in Europe such people are regularly swept aside in 
> favor of the most extreme racists and violent nationalists when the 
> chips are down.  

Oh, Bull!  Europeans are the most pacifist and liberal peoples in
the world!  The European mentality is to avoid any sort of
violence as if it were the plague itself.

There *is* a great danger to the world peace:  the fascist Asian
states.  With an extremely high birth rate and ever increasing
militarization throughout the East Asian Axis, the fascist
chauvinism of the Orient must be nipped in the bud before the
Axis starts propagandizing about "living space" and the
"underpopulated" areas of the Americas and Western Asian, leading
to hot war.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec  7 12:33:09 PST 1996
Article: 98004 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Need book on Jewish Women
Date: 6 Dec 1996 15:24:19 -0800
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Mark London  writing [  914] bytes in <4DEC96.21381827@pfc.mit.edu> said:

> I recall seeing in a catalog a book which  was  about  famous  women  who  are
> Jewish.    I no longer have that catalog and forgot the title, author, etc.  I
> remember one of the women on the cover was Goldie Hawn.  Has anyone  seen  it?

Yeah, I think so.  It was the one with Nina Hartley in it.

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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec  7 12:33:10 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jewish Nazis
Date: 6 Dec 1996 15:13:35 -0800
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Andrew Mathis  writing [ 3957] bytes in <585jlj$hke@news.nyu.edu> said:

> >: Thousands of soldiers of Jewish parentage served in Hitler's army during World War Two 
> >: and fought for the Nazi leaders who ordered the extermination of Jews, the Daily 
> >: Telegraph reported on Monday.
> >:          A study by Bryan Rigg, a history student now working at
> >: Cambridge University, showed Hitler knew dozens of his senior
> >: officers had Jewish origins and that he signed documents
> >: declaring them to be of German blood, the newspaper said.
> >:          Rigg, a 25-year-old American, interviewed hundreds of former
> >: soldiers and their families and examined army personnel files in
> >: the German federal government archives.
> >:          Field Marshal Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe chief
> >: Hermann Goering, was half Jewish, according to Rigg's study.
> >:          Goering, Hitler's chosen successor, knew Milch's background
> >: and falsified documents to cover up the Jewish link.
> >:          German law under the Nazis from 1935 barred anyone with a
> >: Jewish grandparent from becoming an officer.
> >:          But the German army personnel office in January 1944 knew of
> >: 77 ``high-ranking officers of mixed Jewish race or married to a
> >: Jew.''
> >:          All 77 had received a declaration from Hitler that they were
> >: of German blood.
> 
> Under Nazi law, a Jew was defined as a person who had two Jewish
> grandparents.  These people AND THEIR SPOUSES were denied citizenship,
> denied property and eventually deported.  UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES would
> Hitler have allowed them to be in the German military--even on the
> Eastern front.  They were strictly for the camps and the cremas.

The official Nazi statistics says that there were at least 14,000
full Jewish mixed-marriages in the Germany of 1944 and the Jewish
spouses were well known and permitted to practice.  This was
accepted without reprisals against them.  So, once again, you
read Nazi propaganda as fact.

> Mischlingen (literally hybrids) of the second-degree (one Jewish
> grandparent--this includes me, btw), were not denied citizenship and
> were allowed to marry Germans.  

The conducter Karajan, for example.

>                                                           These Jews
> probably served, but not in the SS, where you had to show pure "Aryan"
> heritage to be a member.  

False.  Can you point to anything other than Nazi propaganda as a
primary source for this?

The facts are there were more free Jews in Germany in 1944 than
1946.  It was the social fascists who swept the Jews from
Germany after the "surrender."

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jonlevy   writing [ 1389] bytes in <32A5F406.74D0@telis.org> said:

> Most people are fairly decent in general.

The problem is that the people in power are the ones who aren't
decent.

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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec  7 13:05:35 PST 1996
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns,uk.politics.crime,talk.politics.libertarian,uk.politics
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Koro  writing [ 2141] bytes in <585ntr$8p7@nntp1.best.com> said:

> > So why do you need a gun to defend yourself with ?
> 
> Brilliant!  Just brilliant!  You see, I don't own a gun, but I find it
> highly ammusing that you assumed I did.  I've never even touched a
> gun.  I prefer a method of defense that requires some physical
> strength and skill, like hand to hand combat, a bow and arrows, a long
> sword, a quarter-staff, et al.

I've sort of wanted to carry a halbert around.  But isn't that
considered an "offensive weapon" in the UK?

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Subject: REC.MUSIC.WHITE-POWER
Date: 6 Dec 1996 01:23:51 -0800
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Mustafa Soysal MS57  writing [ 2129] bytes in <32a5d9cb.4d495354494b@mistik.express.net> said:

> In article ,
> Russ Allbery   wrote:
> >dckom  writes:
> >
> >> In what way is informing people of a vote, and encouraging a particular
> >> position, "fixing" voting?
> >
> >In that it encourages voting by people who have never read any of the RFD
> >discussion, are not familiar with the actual issues involved in the
> >newsgroup proposal, may not be familiar at all with the way Usenet
> >newsgroups are structured and organized, may not be aware that votes
> >against a newsgroup in no way prevent that subject from being discussed,
> >and in many cases may not actually have any access to Usenet at all.
> 
> There has been a mailing list campaigning on inet-tr@metu.edu.tr to vote
> no against the group, and the forwarded mail came from another mailing
> list.  The voting should be called off and tried from a different voting
> address again.

Michael Handler addmitted that he accepted 30,000 votes without
even checking to see if they came from valid e-mail addresses!
Scanning through his work, many fake addresses are readily seen.
While the NO side was highly organized with thousands of e-mails
sent from fictitious users by rogue admins, the YES was largely
indifferent as it's only a newgroup, not the life and death
question that the fascists promoted it as.

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Subject: Massive rmgroups -- Net Abuse
Date: 6 Dec 1996 13:12:43 -0800
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Stephen Boursy  writing [ 2629] bytes in <5896tl$nas@zip1.ziplink.net> said:

> In article , Troy Varange  wrote:
> >Prof. Roman J.J. Ashburg  writing [ 2378] bytes in <58474k$353@mozz.unh.edu> said:
> >
> >> On 4 Dec 1996 07:29:51 -0500, boursy@ziplink.net (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Dave Ratcliffe  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>In , varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>[ whole boatload full of control messages deleted ]
> >> >>
> >> >>Get a clue Troy. There's no abuse when the people responsible for the 
> >> >>job in the various hierarchies do the rmgrouping. 
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >	There are not set of individuals 'responsible' for this.
> >> >
> >> >			Steve
> >> >			news.admin.censorship
> >> 
> >> For Christ's sake, Steve.  You must really be stupid.  Of course there are
> >> people who are responsible for various hierarchies.  Who the hell do you think
> >> should have this responsibility instead?  Everyone?  You know damn well that if
> >> that were the case then the only traffic on Usenet would be this huge constant
> >> struggle between rmgroup messages and newgroup messages.  It would be a mess.
> >> If you want a hierarchy with your own rules, however, no one will stop you from
> >> making one.  Go ahead and do it.  Just stop your incessant blathering, please.
> >> Now go play with your little Freedom Knights like a good little troll.
> >
> >So it's just "better" that David Lawraence should control
> >usenet?
> 
>   No--David C Lawrence represents officially the financial interests
> of UUNET owned by MFS.  They want control of the primary product of
> the usenet--newsgroups.  In the US such anti-competitive behavior is
> illegal and certainly unethical.

So when is the Justice Department to file suit against UUNET for
violating the Sherman Anti-Trust Act of 1890?

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                            .oO Phrack Magazine Oo.

                        Volume Seven, Issue Forty-Nine
			
			         File 09 of 16

      			  by Dr.Dimitri Vulis (KOTM)

               A Content-Blind Cancelbot for Usenet (CBCB)

Usenet News is a popular system for transmitting articles. Historically it
used to propagate over UUCP. However today most of the transmission is done
over the Internet TCP/IP connections using the NNTP protocol (RFC 977).

Each article consists of a series of headers of the form
Keyword: value
followed by a blank line, followed by the body of the message.
Some required headers are self-explanatory: From:, Date:, Subject:.

The Newsgroups: header identifies a series of keywords that can be used
to search for articles in the newsfeed. For example:
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,comp.lang.c
identifies a Usenet article relevant to both Usenet administrative policy
and to the C computer language.

The Message-Id: header uniquely identifies each article. For example:
Message-Id: <12341223@whitehouse.gov>
The message-ids are not supposed to be recycled.

The cancelbot program is supposed to search the user-specified newsgroups for
articles whose headers match user-specified regular expressions and to issue
special 'cancel' control articles. It will copy some of the headers from the
original message and add a special header:
Control: cancel 

This program is an NNTP client. Much of the processing is offloaded to an
NNTP server, to which the cancelbot talks using the Internet sockets protocol.

This cancelbot does not look at article bodies and is therefore content-blind.

Inputs:

argv[1] (required) hosts file

A line that starts with # is a comment. Otherwise, each line contains the
following 5 fields:

1. hostname (some.domain.com) or ip address (a.b.c.d)
2. port (normally 119)
3. Y/N - do we ask this host for NEWNEWS/HEADER?
4. I/P/N - do we inject cancels to this host with IHAVE, POST, not at all
5. Timeout - the number of seconds to wait for a response from this server.

Example of a hosts file:

# ask the local server for new news and post back the cancels
127.0.0.1 119 Y P 60
# don't get message-ids from remote server, but give it cancels via IHAVE
news.xx.net 119 N I 300


argv[2] (required) target file

A line that starts with # is a comment. Otherwise, each line contains the
following 9 fields:

1. List of newsgroups to be scanned for new messages. This is not interpreted
by the cancelbot, but passed on to the NNTP server. Per RFC 997, multiple
groups can be separated by commas. Asterisk "*" may be used to match multiple
newsgroup names. The exclamation point "!" (as the first character) may be used
to negate a match. Warning: specifying a single * will generate a lot of data.

Example: news.groups,comp.*,sci.*,!sci.math.*

2. A watchword (case-sensitive) that needs to be contained in the article
headers for the cancel to be issued.

3. Format of the Subject: header in the cancel article.
 C - Subject cancel  (same as Control:)
 O - Subject: header copied from the original article
 N - none.
If N is specified, then Subject: MUST be provided in the file appended to
the header, or the cancel won't propagate.

4. cancel message-id prefix
 normally cancel. or cn.

Most cancellation articles follow the so-called $alz convention:
Control: cancel 
Message-id: 
However this is not a requirement.

5. path constant (string to put in path). May be 'none'.
6. path copy # (number of elements to copy from the right, may be 0)

Explanation of these two parameters:
each Usenet article contains the "Path:" header with a list of hosts separated
by explanation marks. For example:
Path: ohost1!ohost2!ohost3!ohost4
If you specify path constant of "nhosta!nhostb" and path copy of 2
then the path written by cbcb will be
Path: nhosta!nhostb!ohost3!ohost4

7. Name of the file appended to the header or 'none'

Examples:

# should be supplied as a courtesy
X-Cancelled-By: Cancelbot
# if and only if target file field 3 contains 'N':
Subject: Cancelling a Usenet article
# only if posting via IHAVE:
NNTP-Posting-Host: usenet.cabal.org

8. Name of the file that will become the body of the cancel or 'none'

If 'none' is specified, the default will be
"Please cancel this article."

9. The string to be prepended to the newsgroups. Normally 'none',
but may be set to something like misc.test (or misc.test,alt.test).

Example of a target file:

# delete all articles that mention C++ (but not c++)
comp.lang.c.* C++ C cancel. cyberspam 3 can.hdr none none
# no sex in the sci hierarchy, and add misc.test to the cancel
sci.* sex C cn. plutonium 2 can1.hdr can.txt misc.test

argv[3] (optional) datestamp, YYMMDD. If not specified, default is 900101. Only
articles after this date are examined. This parameter is not processed by the
cancelbot, but passed on to the NNTP server. It should normally be specified
so as not to look at old Usenet articles.

argv[4] (optional) timestamp, digits HHMMSS, where HH is hours on the 24-hour
clock, MM is minutes 00-59, and SS is seconds 00-59. If not specified, default
is 000000. Note that both datestamp and timestamp are in Greenwich mean time.

---------------8<-------cut me loose!-------------->8--------------------------
ed-note:
To compile, you must define an OS type (under gcc, this is accomplished using
the -Dmacro directive).  Under Unix, for example:
gcc -DCBCB_UNIX -o cancelbot cbcb.c

---------------8<-------cut me loose!-------------->8--------------------------

cbcb.c:
/*

Context-blind CancelBot 0.9 04/01/96

Description of operations:

Open socket connections to the hosts listed in the hosts file

loop on targets
 {
 loop on servers
  {
  if (newnews_flag=='Y')
   {
   send NEWNEWS newsgroups datestamp timestamp GMT to this socket
   receive a list of message-ids and save them in a LIFO linked list
   loop on message-ids
     {
     send HEADER message-id to this server's socket
     receieve a header
     if the header contains the watchword
      {
      compose a cancel according to the target file specifications
      loop on servers
       {
       if post_flag is P or I
        send the cancel to this server's socket using posting method
       }
      }
     delete this message-id from the linked list
     }
    }
   }
  }

*/

#ifndef CBCB_UNIX
#ifndef CBCB_VMS
#ifndef CBCB_NT
#ifndef CBCB_OS2
#error One of (CBCB_UNIX, CBCB_VMS, CBCB_NT, CBCB_OS2) must be defined
#endif
#endif
#endif
#endif

#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

/* various flavors of Unix */

#ifdef CBCB_UNIX
/* gcc -DCBCB_UNIX cbcb.c -o cbcb */
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
/* perror to be called after failed socket calls */
#define perror_sock perror
/* how to close a socket */
#define close_sock close
#endif

/* Windows NT, /subsystem:console. The executable is supposed to work
under NT and Windows 95, but not under Win32s. */

#ifdef CBCB_NT
/* important note: when compiling on NT, say something like
 cl /DCBCB_NT /Ogaityb1 /G5Fs /ML cbcb.c wsock32.lib */
#include 
/* regular perror doesn't work with WinSock under NT */
#define perror_sock(s) fprintf(stderr,"%s : WinSock error %d\n",s,WSAGetLastError())
/* regular close doesn't work with WinSock under NT */
#define close_sock closesocket
/* NT doesn't understand unix-style sleep in seconds */
#define sleep(n) Sleep(n*1000)
#endif

/* DEC VAX/VMS */

#ifdef CBCB_VMS
/* important note: when compiling on VAX/VMS, say something like
 cc/define=CBCB_VMS cbcb/nodebug/optimize=(disjoint,inline)
 link cbcb/nouserlib/notraceback,sys$library:ucx$ipc.olb/lib,-
  sys$library:vaxcrtl.olb/lib
   (to link in shared routines)
  */
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#define perror_sock perror
#define close_sock close
#endif

/* IBM OS/2  - link with tcpip.lib */

#ifdef CBCB_OS2
#define OS2
/* we will use a BSD-like select, not Oleg's hack */
#define BSD_SELECT
#define INCL_DOSPROCESS
#include  /* DosSleep */
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
/*#include */
#include 
/* perror to be called after failed socket calls */
#define perror_sock fprintf(stderr,"%s : tcp error %d\n",s,tcperrno())
/* how to close a socket */
#define close_sock soclose
#define sleep(n) DosSleep(n/1000)
#endif

/*

Future Macintosh notes: Need Apple's MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop).
Build CBCB as an MPW tool. Set the Macintosh file type to MPST and the
Macintosh creator to MPS, so we can use stdout and stderr.

Sockets are supposed to be available on the Mac.

*/

#ifndef FD_ZERO
/* macros for select() not defined on VAX or HPUX
However they are defined to be something completely different
under NT WinSock, so we must use macros */
#define fd_set int
#define FD_ZERO(p) {*(p)=0;}
#define FD_SET(s,p) {*(p)|=(1<<(s));}
#define FD_ISSET(s,p) ((*(p)&(1<<(s)))!=0)
#endif

/* file pointers */
FILE *sptr, /* hosts file */
     *tptr; /* target file*/

/* there's a reason for making all these variables static. If I weren't lazy,
I would have put them in their respective functions with 'static' */

#define MAXHOSTS 100

struct {
int cfd; /* socket handle */
char newnews_flag;
char post_flag;
int timeout;
} hosts[MAXHOSTS];
int nhosts;

short int port;

#define ASCII_CR 13
#define ASCII_LF 10

#define BUFFERSIZE 2048

#define BUFFERBIGSIZE 20480
char buffer_big[BUFFERBIGSIZE];

struct _msgidq {
char *msgid;
struct _msgidq *next;
};

struct _msgidq *msg_queue,*msg_t;

int parse_state, /* for parsing server responses */
 h_flag,d_flag; /* shortcut for states when parsing headers */

char hostname[BUFFERSIZE];
char buffer[BUFFERSIZE];
char extra_header[BUFFERSIZE];
char extra_body[BUFFERSIZE];
int file_rec;
char newsgroups[BUFFERSIZE];       /* target field 1 */
char watchword[BUFFERSIZE];        /* target field 2 */
char subject_flag;                 /* target field 3 */
char cmsg_id_prefix[BUFFERSIZE];   /* target field 4 */
char path_const[BUFFERSIZE];       /* target field 5 */
int  path_num;                     /* target field 6 */
char hdr_fname[BUFFERSIZE];        /* target field 7 */
char txt_fname[BUFFERSIZE];        /* target field 8 */
char extra_ngrp[BUFFERSIZE];         /* target field 9 */

char *datestamp,*timestamp; /* for the NEWNEWS command */
char *sznone="none";
char *szcabal=" Usenet@Cabal";
char *szsubject="Subject:";
char *szsubjectc="Subject: cmsg";
char *szendl="\r\n";
char *szempty="";

int nretry; /* number of retries in various places */
int nbytes;
int host1,host2,i,j;   /* loop indices */

#define NOLDHEADERS 8
/* We're interested in 8 original headers :

Path:               0         (requires special handling)
From:               1
Sender:             2
Approved:           3
Newsgroups:         4
Date:               5
Subject:            6
Organization:       7

*/

char *h_ptr[NOLDHEADERS];
char *t_ptr[3];

/* ANSI function prototypes */
int cbcb_parse_hosts(void);
int cbcb_parse_targets(void);
int cbcb_process_target(void);
int cbcb_parse_message_ids(void);
int cbcb_process_article(char *);
int cbcb_get_headers(void);
void cbcb_save_headers(void);
void cbcb_save_header(int);
int cbcb_flush_sock(int);
int cbcb_test_sock(int);
int cbcb_recv_resp(int,char);
int cbcb_copy_buffer(char *);

int main(int argc,char*argv[])
{

/* process the arguments */

if (argc<3 || argc>5)
 {
 fprintf(stderr,"Usage: cbcb hostfile targetfile [datestamp] [timestamp]\n");
 return(1);
 }

if (argc<4)
 datestamp="900101";
else
 datestamp=argv[3];

if (argc<5)
 timestamp="000000";
else
 timestamp=argv[4];

/* open the hosts file */

if (NULL==(sptr=fopen(argv[1],"r")))
 {
 perror("open()");
 fprintf(stderr,"cbcb cannot open hosts file %s\n",argv[1]);
 return(0);
 }

/* open the target file */

if (NULL==(tptr=fopen(argv[2],"r")))
 {
 perror("open()");
 fprintf(stderr,"cbcb cannot open target file %s\n",argv[2]);
 return(0);
 }

#ifdef SIGPIPE
signal(SIGPIPE,SIG_IGN); /* ignore broken pipes if this platform knows them */
#endif

/* establish the connections to the NNTP servers */

if (0==cbcb_parse_hosts())
 {
 fprintf(stderr,"cbcb unable to connect to any NNTP servers\n");
 return(1);
 }

fclose(sptr);

if (!cbcb_parse_targets())
 {
 fprintf(stderr,"cbcb encountered an error processing targets\n");
 return(1);
 }

fclose(tptr);

/* final cleanup */
for (i=0; is_port);
*/

/* loop on the hosts file */
nhosts=0;
file_rec=0;
while(NULL!=fgets(buffer,sizeof(buffer),sptr))
 {
 file_rec++;
 if (*buffer=='#')
  continue;
 if (nhosts>=MAXHOSTS)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"Please increase MAXHOSTS\n");
  break;
  }
 if (5!=sscanf(buffer,"%2048s %hd %c %c %d",
  hostname,&port,&hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag,&hosts[nhosts].post_flag,
  &hosts[nhosts].timeout))
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"Error parsing host file line %d \"%s\"\n",file_rec,buffer);
  continue;
  }
 /* verify that the newnews flag is Y or N */
 if (hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag=='n')
  hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag='N';
 else if (hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag=='y')
  hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag='Y';
 else if (hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag!='Y'&&hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag!='N')
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"Newnews flag %c, must be Y or N on line %d\n",
   hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag,file_rec);
  continue;
  }
 /* verify that the posting flag is P, or I, or N */
 if (hosts[nhosts].post_flag=='i')
  hosts[nhosts].post_flag='I';
 else if (hosts[nhosts].post_flag=='p')
  hosts[nhosts].post_flag='P';
 else if (hosts[nhosts].post_flag=='n')
  hosts[nhosts].post_flag='N';
 else if (hosts[nhosts].post_flag!='I'&&hosts[nhosts].post_flag!='P'&&hosts[nhosts].post_flag!='N')
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"Posting flag %c, must be I, or P, or N on line %d\n",
   hosts[nhosts].post_flag,file_rec);
  continue;
  }
 /* translate the hostname into an ip address. If it starts with a digit,
 try to interpret it as a A.B.C.D address */
 if (!isdigit(*hostname)||(0xFFFFFFFF==(host_ip=inet_addr(hostname))))
  {
  if (NULL==(host_struct=gethostbyname(hostname)))
   {
   perror("gethostbyname");
   fprintf(stderr,"Can't resolve host name %s to ip on line %d\n",
    hostname,file_rec);
   continue;
   }
  host_node=(struct in_addr*)host_struct->h_addr;
  fprintf(stderr,"Note: Using NNTP server at %s\n",inet_ntoa(*host_node));
  host_ip=host_node->s_addr;
  }

 /* fill in the address to connect to */
 memset(&serverUaddr,0,sizeof(serverUaddr));
 serverUaddr.sin_family=PF_INET;
 serverUaddr.sin_addr.s_addr=/*htonl*/(host_ip); /* already in net order */
 serverUaddr.sin_port=htons(port);

 /* try to create a socket */
 if ((hosts[nhosts].cfd=socket(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0))<0)
  {
  perror_sock("socket()");
  continue;
  }

conn1:
 if (0>=connect(hosts[nhosts].cfd,(struct sockaddr*)&serverUaddr,sizeof(serverUaddr)))
  goto conn2; /* we use goto so we can use continue */
 if (nretry>10)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"give up trying to connect to %s port %hd on line %d\n",
   hostname,port,file_rec);
  close_sock(hosts[nhosts].cfd);
  hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag=hosts[nhosts].post_flag='N';
  continue;
  }
 perror_sock("connect()");
 nretry++;
 sleep(1);
 goto conn1;
conn2:
 if (!cbcb_recv_resp(nhosts,'2'))
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"NNTP problem after connecting to %s port %hd on line %d\n",
   hostname,port,file_rec);
  close_sock(hosts[nhosts].cfd);
  hosts[nhosts].newnews_flag=hosts[nhosts].post_flag='N';
  continue;
  }
 nhosts++;
 }

return(nhosts);
}

int cbcb_parse_targets(void)
{

file_rec=0;
while(fgets(buffer,sizeof(buffer),tptr)) /* read a target line */
 {
 file_rec++;
 if (*buffer=='#') /* comment */
  continue;
 /* parse the buffer into the 8 fields */

 if (9!=sscanf(buffer,"%2048s %2048s %c %2048s %2048s %d %2048s %2048s %2048s",
  newsgroups, watchword, &subject_flag, cmsg_id_prefix, path_const,
  &path_num, hdr_fname, txt_fname, extra_ngrp))
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"Error parsing 8 fields on line %d \"%s\"\n",
  file_rec,buffer);
  continue;
  }

/* verify that the subject flag is C, O, or N */

 if (subject_flag=='c')
  subject_flag='C';
 else if (subject_flag=='o')
  subject_flag='O';
 else if (subject_flag=='n')
  subject_flag='N';
 else if (subject_flag!='C'&&subject_flag!='O'&&subject_flag!='N')
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"Subject flag %c, must be C, O, or N on line %d\n",
   subject_flag,file_rec);
  continue;
  }

  if (0==strcmp(path_const,sznone)) /* if 'none' is specified */
   {
   if (path_num==0)
    {
    fprintf(stderr,"Can't have path_const none and path_num 0\n");
    continue;
    }
   path_const[0]=0;
   }
  else /* if not none, append bang if needed */
   {
   i=strlen(path_const);
   if (path_const[i-1]!='!')
    {
    path_const[i]='!';
    path_const[i+1]=0;
    }
   }

  if (0==strcmp(extra_ngrp,sznone)) /* if 'none' is specified */
   extra_ngrp[0]=0;
  else /* if not none, append comma if needed */
   {
   i=strlen(extra_ngrp);
   if (extra_ngrp[i-1]!=',')
    {
    extra_ngrp[i]=',';
    extra_ngrp[i+1]=0;
    }
   }

 /* read the extra header lines */

  if (0==strcmp(hdr_fname,sznone)) /* if 'none' is specified */
   *extra_header=0;
  else
   {
   /* try to open the specified file */
   if (NULL==(sptr=fopen(hdr_fname,"r")))
    {
    perror("open()");
    fprintf(stderr,"cbcb cannot open extra-header file %s\n",hdr_fname);
    continue;
    }
   nbytes=fread(buffer,1,BUFFERSIZE,sptr);
   fclose(sptr);
   if (nbytes>=BUFFERSIZE)
    fprintf(stderr,"extra-header file %s is too long\n",hdr_fname);
   if (!cbcb_copy_buffer(extra_header))
    {
    fprintf(stderr,"error in header file\n");
    continue;
    }
   }

 /* read the body the same way */

  if (0==strcmp(txt_fname,sznone)) /* if 'none' is specified */
   strcpy(extra_body,"Please cancel this article\r\n");
  else
   {
   /* try to open the specified file */
   if (NULL==(sptr=fopen(txt_fname,"r")))
    {
    perror("open()");
    fprintf(stderr,"cbcb cannot open body file %s\n",txt_fname);
    continue;
    }
   nbytes=fread(buffer,1,BUFFERSIZE,sptr);
   fclose(sptr);
   if (nbytes>=BUFFERSIZE)
    fprintf(stderr,"body file %s is too long\n",txt_fname);
   if (!cbcb_copy_buffer(extra_body))
    {
    fprintf(stderr,"error in body file\n");
    continue;
    }
  }

 if (!cbcb_process_target()) /* process otherwise. warn and go on if error */
  fprintf(stderr,"cbcb encountered a problem processing target, line %d\n",
   file_rec);
 }

return(1);
}

int cbcb_process_target(void)
{

/* loop on hosts */
for (host1=0; host1msgid))
    fprintf(stderr,"Problem processing article <%s>\n",msg_queue->msgid);
   msg_queue=msg_queue->next;
   free(msg_t);
   }

  }

return(1);
}


int cbcb_parse_message_ids(void)
{

msg_queue=NULL;
parse_state=7;

nretry=0;
recv_msgids:
 if (!cbcb_test_sock(hosts[host1].cfd)) /* nothing to read */
 {
 if (nretry>hosts[host1].timeout)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"timeout waiting to recv message-ids\n");
  return(0);
  }
 fprintf(stderr,".");
 nretry++;
 sleep(1);
 goto recv_msgids;
 }
nbytes=recv(hosts[host1].cfd,buffer,sizeof(buffer),0);
if (nbytes<0) /* an error shouldn't happen here */
 {
 perror_sock("NEWNEWS recv()");
 return(0);
 }
#ifdef DEBUG
 fwrite(buffer,1,nbytes,stdout); /* for debugging only!! */
#endif
/* now see if what we received makes sense */
for (i=0; i')
   {
/* add to the queue */
   msg_t=(struct _msgidq*)malloc(sizeof(struct _msgidq));
   if (msg_t==NULL)
    {
    fprintf(stderr,"malloc failed\n");
    return(0);
    }
   msg_t->msgid=(char*)malloc(j+1);
   if (msg_t->msgid==NULL)
    {
    free(msg_t);
    fprintf(stderr,"malloc failed\n");
    return(0);
    }
   memcpy(msg_t->msgid,buffer_big,j);
   *(msg_t->msgid+j)=0;
   msg_t->next=msg_queue;
   msg_queue=msg_t;

   parse_state=2;
   }
  else
   {
   if (j>=BUFFERBIGSIZE)
    {
    fprintf(stderr,"Please increase BUFFERBIGSIZE\n");
    return(0);
    }
   buffer_big[j]=buffer[i];
   j++;
   /* parse_state=1; */
   }
  break;
 case 2:
  if (buffer[i]==ASCII_CR)
   parse_state=3;
  else
   goto recv_bad_msg_id;
  break;
 case 3:
  if (buffer[i]==ASCII_LF)
   parse_state=0;
  else
   goto recv_bad_msg_id;
  break;
 case 4:
  if (buffer[i]==ASCII_CR)
   parse_state=5;
  else
   goto recv_bad_msg_id;
  break;
 case 5:
  if (buffer[i]==ASCII_LF)
   parse_state=6;
  else
   goto recv_bad_msg_id;
  break;
 case 6:  /* more data after final . */
   goto recv_bad_msg_id;
 case 7: /* initial, really */
  if (buffer[i]=='2')
   parse_state=8;
  else
   goto recv_bad_msg_id;
  break;
 case 8:
  if (buffer[i]==ASCII_CR)
    parse_state=3;
  break;
  }
 }

if (parse_state!=6)
 goto recv_msgids;
/* normal competion */
return(1);

recv_bad_msg_id:
 fprintf(stderr,"Unexpected response (expected message-ids) ");
 if (i)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"after \"");
  fwrite(buffer,1,i,stderr);
  fprintf(stderr,"\" ");
  }
 if (i\r\n",msgid);

/* send the command to the server */
nbytes=strlen(buffer);
if (nbytes!=send(hosts[host1].cfd,buffer,nbytes,0))
 {
 perror_sock("HEAD send()");
 return(0);
 }

/* the server is supposed to return the article headers now */

if (!cbcb_get_headers())
 {
 fprintf(stderr,"Problem retrieving headers\n");
 return(0);
 }

if (!strstr(buffer_big,watchword))
 return(1); /* no match, nothing to do */

/* found the watchword: let's cancel */
cbcb_save_headers();
sprintf(buffer_big,"\
Path: %s%s\r\n\
From:%s\r\n\
Sender:%s\r\n\
Approved:%s\r\n\
Newsgroups: %s%s\r\n\
Date:%s\r\n\
%s%s%s\
Organization:%s\r\n\
Control:%s\r\n\
Message-ID: <%s%s>\r\n\
%s\
\r\n\
%s\
.\r\n",
path_const,
h_ptr[0],h_ptr[1],h_ptr[2],h_ptr[3],extra_ngrp,h_ptr[4],h_ptr[5],
t_ptr[0],h_ptr[6],t_ptr[1],h_ptr[7],t_ptr[2],
cmsg_id_prefix,msgid,extra_header,extra_body);

fputs(buffer_big,stderr); /* to see what we're posting */

for (host2=0; host2\r\n",cmsg_id_prefix,msgid);
   nbytes=strlen(buffer);
   /* send the command to the server */
   if (nbytes!=send(hosts[host2].cfd,buffer,nbytes,0))
    {
    perror_sock("IHAVE send()");
    continue;
    }
   }
  if (!cbcb_recv_resp(host2,'3'))
   {
   fprintf(stderr,"NNTP problem while trying to post\n");
   continue;
   }
  nbytes=strlen(buffer_big);
  if (nbytes!=send(hosts[host2].cfd,buffer_big,nbytes,0))
   {
   perror_sock("article send()");
   continue;
   }
  if (!cbcb_recv_resp(host2,'2'))
   {
   fprintf(stderr,"NNTP problem after posting\n");
   continue;
   }
  }

return(1); /* all's well */
}

int cbcb_get_headers(void)
{

h_ptr[0]=h_ptr[1]=h_ptr[2]=h_ptr[3]=h_ptr[4]=h_ptr[5]=h_ptr[6]=h_ptr[7]=NULL;
h_flag=d_flag=parse_state=0;
nretry=0;
j=0;
/* recv */
recv_headers:

 if (!cbcb_test_sock(hosts[host1].cfd)) /* nothing to read */
 {
 if (nretry>hosts[host1].timeout)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"timeout waiting to recv article headers\n");
  return(0);
  }
 fprintf(stderr,".");
 nretry++;
 sleep(1);
 goto recv_headers;
 }

nbytes=recv(hosts[host1].cfd,buffer,sizeof(buffer),0);
if (nbytes<0) /* an error shouldn't happen here */
 {
 perror_sock("headers recv()");
 return(0);
 }
#ifdef DEBUG
 fwrite(buffer,1,nbytes,stdout); /* for debugging only!! */
#endif
/* see if what we received makes sense */
for (i=0; i=BUFFERBIGSIZE)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"Please increase BUFFERBIGSIZE\n");
  return(0);
  }
 buffer_big[j++]=buffer[i];
 } /* next i */
if (parse_state!=5)
 goto recv_headers;

return(1);
recv_bad_header:
 fprintf(stderr,"Unexpected response (expected headers) ");
 if (i)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"after \"");
  fwrite(buffer,1,i,stderr);
  fprintf(stderr,"\" ");
  }
 if (i' ' && j)
  {
  i--;
  if (buffer_big[i]=='!')
   j--;
  }
 i++;
 j=0;
 h_ptr[0]=buffer;
 while (buffer_big[i]!=ASCII_LF)
  buffer[j++]=buffer_big[i++];
 buffer[j++]=0;
 }

t_ptr[2]=buffer+j;
sprintf(t_ptr[2]," cancel <%s>",msg_queue->msgid);
j+=strlen(t_ptr[2])+1;

if (h_ptr[1]==NULL) /* no from? Highly unlikely */
 h_ptr[1]=szcabal;
else
 cbcb_save_header(1);
if (h_ptr[2]==NULL) /* sender */
 h_ptr[2]=h_ptr[1];
else
 cbcb_save_header(2);
if (h_ptr[3]==NULL) /* approved */
 h_ptr[3]=h_ptr[2];
else
 cbcb_save_header(3);
if (h_ptr[4]==NULL) /* no newsgroups? */
 h_ptr[4]="control";
else
 cbcb_save_header(4);
if (h_ptr[5]==NULL) /* no date??? */
 h_ptr[5]=" 1 Jan 1990 00:00 GMT";
else
 cbcb_save_header(5);
/* subject is special - must use flag */
if (subject_flag=='O')
 {
 if (h_ptr[6]==NULL)
  h_ptr[6]=szcabal; /* no subject??? */
 else
  cbcb_save_header(6);
 t_ptr[0]=szsubject;
 t_ptr[1]=szendl;
 }
else if (subject_flag=='C')
 {
 h_ptr[6]=t_ptr[2]; /* same as the Control: */
 t_ptr[0]=szsubjectc;
 t_ptr[1]=szendl;
 }
else /* if (subject_flag=='N') */
 {
t_ptr[0]=t_ptr[1]=h_ptr[6]=szempty;
 }
if (h_ptr[7]==NULL) /* organization */
 h_ptr[7]=szcabal;
else
 cbcb_save_header(7);

#ifdef DEBUG
for (i=0; i<8; i++)
 if (h_ptr[i])
  printf("%d:%s\n",i,h_ptr[i]);
#endif

}

void cbcb_save_header(int k)
{
i=h_ptr[k]-buffer_big;
h_ptr[k]=buffer+j;
while (buffer_big[i]!=ASCII_LF)
 buffer[j++]=buffer_big[i++];
buffer[j++]=0;
}

int cbcb_flush_sock(int sock)
{
  /* if there is any leftover data in the socket, get it out */
  while (cbcb_test_sock(sock))
   {
   nbytes=recv(sock,buffer,sizeof(buffer),0);
   if (nbytes<0)
    perror_sock("flush recv()"); /* but don't abort */
   else
    fwrite(buffer,1,nbytes,stderr); /* display it, as it may be informative */
   }
return(1);
}

/* use select to see if there's data here.
There don't seem to be any unixes left which understand poll and not select.*/
int cbcb_test_sock(int sock)
{
fd_set setm;
static struct timeval zerotime={0,0};

FD_ZERO(&setm);
FD_SET(sock,&setm);
if (select(sock+1,&setm,NULL,NULL,&zerotime)<0)
 {
 perror_sock("select()");
 }
if (FD_ISSET(sock,&setm))
 return(1);
else
 return(0);
}

int cbcb_recv_resp(int host,char c)
{

parse_state=0;

nretry=0;
recv_resp:
 if (!cbcb_test_sock(hosts[host].cfd)) /* nothing to read */
 {
 if (nretry>hosts[host].timeout)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"timeout waiting to recv response\n");
  return(0);
  }
 fprintf(stderr,".");
 nretry++;
 sleep(1);
 goto recv_resp;
 }
nbytes=recv(hosts[host].cfd,buffer,sizeof(buffer),0);
if (nbytes<0) /* an error shouldn't happen here */
 {
 perror_sock("response recv()");
 return(0);
 }
/* #ifdef DEBUG */
 fwrite(buffer,1,nbytes,stdout); /* for debugging only!! */
/* #endif */
/* now see if what we received makes sense */
for (i=0; i0&&buffer[nbytes-1]!='\n')
    buffer[nbytes++]='\n';
  buffer[nbytes]=0;

while (buffer[i])
 {
 if (j>=BUFFERSIZE)
  {
  fprintf(stderr,"File too big\n");
  return(0);
  }
 if (buffer[i]=='\n')
  *(s+(j++))='\r';
 *(s+(j++))=buffer[i++];
 }
*(s+j)=0;
return(1);
}

---------------8<-------cut me loose!-------------->8--------------------------


-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Dec  7 15:25:03 PST 1996
Article: 519139 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,soc.history
Subject: Are There Races?
Date: 7 Dec 1996 12:44:51 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Bob Whitaker   writing [ 6327] bytes in <32A87D32.10C3@conterra.com> said:

> > Social Darwinism was used to argue that class distinctions
> > in Victorian England represented "survival of the fittest"
> > in economic terms 

"Social Darwinism" is just a figment of the capitalist "science"
of "economics;" it's not to be confused with native European
racism.

> > In this country, eugenics in its humane form led to all sorts
> > of sterilization laws.  Isn't there a famous Supreme Court
> > decision from the 1920s by the noted liberal Oliver Wendell
> > Holmes, Jr., upholding a state law requiring mandatory
> > sterilization of idiots: "Three generations of idiots is
> > enough"?  A friend of mine who teaches at Yale recently
> > ran into an embarrassing quote from Saint Margaret Sanger
> > in the early 1920s, when she was arguing for mandatory
> > sterilization of Southern European immigrants to prevent
> > the genetic destruction of America.

Your dismissal of Eugenics is because of this?  Purely *personal*
politics must never be allowed to run a nation!

> You're right about one thing: "modern" doctrines do get silly
> with time.
> 
> My problem with your so-called  "colorblindness" is that, in
> terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing it
> in white majority countries.  You demand massive third world
> immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into
> white majority countries.  You demand your so-called "race"
> mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public
> money for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any
> white escapees.  Your so-called solution to the race problem is
> always only the final solution to the white problem.

The truth shall make us free.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sun Dec  8 07:36:38 PST 1996
Article: 111561 of alt.censorship
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.fan.fluffy,alt.uunet.anti-trust,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,news.groups,alt.stupidity,alt.censorship,alt.god.grubor,sci.med.cannabis,alt.motherjones,su.etc,alt.flame,harvard.general,HAHVUD.snobs
Subject: Fluffy Replaces Tale
Date: 7 Dec 1996 13:51:24 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Fluffy does a better job than tail.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sun Dec  8 07:55:45 PST 1996
Article: 91850 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.china,aus.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.china,alt.personals.intercultural,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.mexican,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.libertarian,soc.culture.indian
Subject: The Founding of Classical Asia
Date: 7 Dec 1996 21:36:51 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Yae   writing [ 2152] bytes in <5898m7$c4r@usenet.rpi.edu> said:

> You Sir, are a true racist, who disgraces the memories of the 12
> million dead American Indians and 6 million Jews. No Chinese people will
> ever believe in anything you say, so save your breath. You obviously
> have no desire to represent any sort of community until you have beat
> upon it first. Chinese Racist ? So how do you intend to "educate" us, If
> I might ask ? To you, we should just all die like those "savage" Indians
> then we truely become a minority whom you can contribute your so called
> "charitable" act. No thanks to you the Asian people are doing better for
> themselves today. Please just stop being the hyprocrite that makes us
> all puke. 

It is you fascists who mudered 26,000,000 people in Mao's
post-revolutionary campaign alone;

The Chinese fascists who murdered and enslaved millions of South
Vietnamese as fascist merchants during the civil war, as well as
the millions killed from inbred yellowneck scum who supplied arms
to the North;

Are currently EXPLOITING TO THE MAX the poorer nations of Asia
while maintaining fascist immigration laws.

Some of us are well aware of the true aims of the Chinese
military buildup; it sure isn't for defense!

When fascist Beijing lobs it's ten megaton ICBMs at London,
Moscow, Kiev, Berlin, Riga, Warsaw, New Delhi, Tokyo, etc., don't
expect that China and it's ex-patriats will not suffer reprisals
to the greatest degree.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 06:17:42 PST 1996
Article: 118276 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Founding of Classical Asia
Date: 8 Dec 1996 21:07:14 -0800
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> >	"Overpopulation," such a Hitlerian excuse!  Holland,
> >	among the densest populations in the world, has no
> >	problem with free immigration, so "overpopulation" is 
> >	just the typical frothing at the mouth fascism.
> 
> Well I am from Holland and I can inform you that for a poor third world 
> immigrant it is now almost impossible to legally enter Holland. The only 
> way to enter is: being very rich, having special skills, or claiming to 
> be persecuted for his /her political religious conviction or ethnic 
> background.

Is there anyone in the world who isn't persecuted?!??

As for the rich, I'd love to see them all deported, penniless.
China can have them.

> It's this last way, political asylum which most present day immigrants 
> try. It's in fact the only possible way. Even marrying a Dutch man/woman 
> in Holland doesn't guarantee a legal stay these days. 

Become a citizen of Spain or Portugal, easy, and then you can
become a citizen of Holland.

> Claiming political asylum means being put behind lock and key in a 
> closed asylum-seeker's center to wait for sometimes months the outcome 
> of your application. If there is the slightest doubt about your story 
> you'll eventually be sent back.

Not anywhere close to the restrictions that Asia has.

France, with the strictist immigration laws in Europe, from what
I understand, deported 5,000 illegals while importing 20,000
legals.  That is not strict.  Besides, Spainish citizens become
citizens of Holland on demand; Spain having a highly
pro-immigration policy.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 10:38:51 PST 1996
Article: 98557 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.history,misc.immigration.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: The Founding of Classical Asia
Date: 8 Dec 1996 20:51:14 -0800
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> : > "Anti-Semitism creates Jews".
> : 
> : Au contraire.  There has been no antisemitism where there are no
> : Jews.
> 
>  Sorry but wrong. There's alot of anti-semite rhetoric from the Klu Klux 
> Klan whose's headqaurters in in Upstate Arkansas and there aren't any

Harrison?  Cosmopolitan Harrison, Arkansas?

> jews around there. And the Neo-Nazis in Nebraska are also rather anti-semetic
> and other then in Bismark, there just aren't any jews in Nebraska.

Eh?  Jews are everywhere in the USA.  You show no appreciation
for the cosmopolitan trait of Judiasm.

No Jews in Nebraska!  Just like there aren't any Jews in Yonkers!

Do you choose to lie, or do you prefer ignorance?

>   The Europeans created anti-semitism by laws on usury(money-lending) and
> European unwillingness to pay up on debts.

Opposing usury is antisemitism?

>  It was a common Mideval  pattern to:
>  a) local ruler borrows some money from the Jewish money-lender
>     (it was a sin for a Christian to be a money lender, Italians for
>      the most part ignored that though)

That it was illegal for a Christian to practice finance and only
Jews were permitted such just goes to show how privilaged Jews
were in the Middle ages.

Are you trying to bring up the old discredited argument that Jews
were forced to be rich?  That Jews had to be dragged to the
palace kicking and screaming and forced jems and gold into their
possession?

>  b) Jewish money-lender comes to collect, and 
> 
>  c) local ruler doesn't have  the money to pay or just doesn't want to 
>     pay so he labels all the local  jews christ killers, starts a riot  
>     against them and the Jews flee and/or  are killed and the local lord 
>     doesn't have to pay his debt.

Yet, this didn't bring them to impoverishment!  

>  The ignorant European commoners of the Middle Ages were told the jews 
> were bad so often by thier rulers they just started to believe it. 

It's all the fault of those plebians with their hate of the
privilaged!  When the peasant class you disdain revolts against
their exploiters they go after the aristocrats; are they supposed
to exclude Jewish aristocrats from terror in the peasant
rebellions throughout history?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:15 PST 1996
Article: 117325 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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Subject: Fighting Net Abuse Through Boycotts
Date: 7 Dec 1996 14:22:17 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Approved: ufc
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boursy  writing [ 3680] bytes in <58botm$q0a@dhp.com> said:

> >Steve you really need to GET A CLUE.  With all the other available
> >feeds out there, and the lack of groups carried by UUNET, nobody takes
> >them seriously anymore.  RM's from David C Lawrence are logged only
> >and I decide what happens.
> 
> 	Well that's very good to hear from IBM net.  AOL ignores
> Lawrence altogether as does any repsonsible sys admin.  Several
> problems though include a few nationals who will only accept
> UUNET approved Big Eight groups (Concentric and Nutcom) while
> the rest ignore them.  

Netcom's record of net abuse grows grows by the day.

Boycott Netcom and Concentric.

>                        But many smaller ISPs get pressure 
> exerted on them from UUNET and their reps--we've a host of 
> documentation on that.

Post the names of ISP's that capitulate to UUNET's violations of
the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890!  It's our responsibility as
netizens to flame and boycott rogue sites.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:16 PST 1996
Article: 117333 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.bonehead.joshua-kramer
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism, misc.activism.anti-fascism.*
Date: 7 Dec 1996 15:01:21 -0800
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Joshua Kramer  writing [ 2399] bytes in  said:

> >I can testify three posts on this subject did indeed vanish from apst.
> 
> Please substantiate this by posting a cancel message for these
> "vanished" posts. Please include full headers for both the vanished
> post and the cancel message. 

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Now, nobody tell me that procedure isn't easy.

If the cancel's been in the last few days, post the e-mail
address of the suspected cancel and I'd be pleased to do a favor
of looking for it here.

(Actually, it's control.cancel at CRL, but it's control at most
servers.)

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:17 PST 1996
Article: 117348 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Massive Net Abuse - rmgroups - 25 censorships
Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:49:09 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 578
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:117348 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:790 news.admin.censorship:21068

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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: soc.woof-woof-woof
Subject: cmsg rmgroup soc.woof-woof-woof
Control: rmgroup soc.woof-woof-woof
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <849902105.25073@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:55:04 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAgUBMqh6GcJdOtO4janBAQFujwP/SnXWA+lJwACFnec+L1kalkOGZzhMU4uu
	fQ6+dXPRPpANfxnN6ZligF/OTqIT6QZhvL0nfIQPKWh/P08NygnJxmat6b09QL30
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	jcbb0IMJnLA=
	=Fjg6

soc.woof-woof-woof is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that
it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16007 of control.rmgroup:
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From: news@math.psu.edu (Usenet News)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: cmsg rmgroup psu.market.computers
Control: rmgroup psu.market.computers
Date: 6 Dec 1996 11:10:08 -0500
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University
Lines: 7
Approved: news@math.psu.edu
Message-ID: <589gh0$d72$1@dodgson.math.psu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: dodgson.math.psu.edu

The psu.* heirarchy of newsgroups are for use internal to The
Pennsylvania State University.  They are not for regional or worldwide
distribution.  If you have psu.market.computers or any other psu.* newsgroup in
your active file please remove them.  Thanks!

--Dave
news admin, psu.*


Article 16008 of control.rmgroup:
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From: bar@gu.net
Newsgroups: gu.answers,gu.users,gu.digest
Subject: cmsg rmgroup gu.money
Control: rmgroup gu.money
Date: 6 Dec 1996 14:37:48 +0200
Organization: Global Ukraine Inc.
Lines: 1
Approved: bar@gu.net
Message-ID: <58942s$211i$1@whale.gu.kiev.ua>
NNTP-Posting-Host: whale.gu.net

Newsgroup gu.money is no longer exist.


Article 16010 of control.rmgroup:
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From: hjp@wsr.ac.at (Peter Holzer)
Newsgroups: at.wsr.generell
Subject: cmsg rmgroup at.wsr.generell
Control: rmgroup at.wsr.generell
Date: 5 Dec 96 18:46:28 GMT
Organization: WSR, Vienna, Austria
Lines: 6
Approved: hjp@wsr.ac.at
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: wsrdb.wsr.ac.at
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV)

Diese Gruppe sollte gar nicht existieren.
--
   _  | Peter J. Holzer             | If I were God, or better yet
|_|_) | Sysadmin WSR                | Linus, I would ...
| |   | hjp@wsr.ac.at               |     -- Bill Davidsen
__/   | http://wsrx.wsr.ac.at/~hjp/ |        (davidsen@tmr.com)



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From: hmj@kuukkeli.cs.tut.fi (J{rvinen Hannu-Matti)
Newsgroups: sfnet.aloittelijoille
Subject: cmsg rmgroup sfnet.aloittelijoille
Control: rmgroup sfnet.aloittelijoille
Date: 5 Dec 1996 09:09:21 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology (CS)
Lines: 4
Approved: hmj@cs.tut.fi
Distribution: sfnet
Message-ID: <5863g1$qkg@peippo.cs.tut.fi>
NNTP-Posting-Host: kuukkeli.cs.tut.fi
NNTP-Posting-User: hmj

Tuhomisk{sky ryhm{lle sfnet.aloittelijoille
-- 
-----
Hannu-Matti Jrvinen, hmj@cs.tut.fi


Article 16004 of control.rmgroup:
Control: rmgroup uva.want-ads
Newsgroups: va.general,news.config
Path: nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!viper.inow.com!news1.aplatform.com!ns1.aplatform.com!newsfeed1.aimnet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU!rlb0p
From: usenet@virginia.edu
Subject: cmsg rmgroup uva.want-ads
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: holmes.acc.virginia.edu
Message-ID: 
Originator: rlb0p@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Sender: usenet@virginia.edu
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:36:26 GMT
Approved: usenet@virginia.edu
Lines: 13

cmsg rmgroup uva.want-ads

This newsgroup should not exist at any site outside of UVa. It was
created at some sites erroneously (possibly due to a malicious unauthorized
newgroup command). It has been causing a problem because commercial posts
are being widely crossposted with this group included. Commercial posts
and any not made by UVa affiliates are not allowed in uva.want-ads, so
by definition the group should not be visible anywhere else. The group
is not transmitted by UVa to any machine outside the local network.

Gina Bull
UVa News Administrator
ITC, Network Systems


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From: usenet@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Newsgroups: ka.admin
Subject: cmsg rmgroup ka.uni.rz.stud.neu
Control: rmgroup ka.uni.rz.stud.neu
Date: 4 Dec 1996 18:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Lines: 4
Approved: ley@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Andreas Ley)
Message-ID: <584fn0$ebf@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
NNTP-Posting-Host: andy.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
NNTP-Posting-User: andy

Die Maschine ist jetzt im offiziellen Betrieb, nur noch nicht mit dem
offziellen Betriebssystem :(

Bye, Andy


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From: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.x.y
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.x.y
Control: rmgroup alt.x.y
Date: 4 Dec 1996 13:23:51 -0500
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Service
Lines: 4
Sender: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Approved: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Distribution: worldnet
Message-ID: <584fjn$ild@anchor.cis.att.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 135.182.130.17


This is some text for the body of a rmgroup message.




Article 16001 of control.rmgroup:
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From: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.x.y
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.x.y
Control: rmgroup alt.x.y
Date: 4 Dec 1996 13:29:14 -0500
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Service
Lines: 4
Sender: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Approved: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Distribution: worldnet
Message-ID: <584ftq$ink@anchor.cis.att.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 135.182.130.17


This is some text for the body of a rmgroup message.




Article 16002 of control.rmgroup:
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From: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.x.y
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.x.y
Control: rmgroup alt.x.y
Date: 4 Dec 1996 13:33:26 -0500
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Service
Lines: 4
Sender: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Approved: newsadm@anchor.cis.att.com
Distribution: worldnet
Message-ID: <584g5m$ipl@anchor.cis.att.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 135.182.130.17


This is some text for the body of a rmgroup message.




Article 15998 of control.rmgroup:
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From: mts5@aber.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.flame.faggots
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.flame.faggots
Control: rmgroup alt.flame.faggots
Date: 4 Dec 1996 16:16:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru
Lines: 1
Approved: mts5@aber.ac.uk
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: osfb.aber.ac.uk

Remove group alt.flame.faggots


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From: mts5@aber.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.flame.fucking.faggots
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.flame.fucking.faggots
Control: rmgroup alt.flame.fucking.faggots
Date: 4 Dec 1996 16:15:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru
Lines: 1
Approved: mts5@aber.ac.uk
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: osfb.aber.ac.uk

Remove group alt.flame.fucking.faggots


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From: mts5@aber.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.flame.niggers
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.flame.niggers
Control: rmgroup alt.flame.niggers
Date: 4 Dec 1996 16:14:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru
Lines: 1
Approved: mts5@aber.ac.uk
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: osfb.aber.ac.uk

Remove group alt.flame.niggers


Article 15996 of control.rmgroup:
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From: Brian Edmonds 
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.fan.andrew-lloyd-webber.binaries
Control: rmgroup alt.fan.andrew-lloyd-webber.binaries
Date: 3 Dec 1996 09:39:23 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Lines: 18
Approved: edmonds@cs.ubc.ca
Message-ID: <37enh7v86w.fsf@salvator.cs.ubc.ca>
References: <32a3b673.11046878@news.aracnet.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: salvator.cs.ubc.ca
X-PGP-Ox6E86B769: This key is obsolete, please discard it.
X-PGP-Ox979D0B09: A9 3E 1E CB 86 09 B1 E9  3C 1A 0E F6 49 F9 5D 99
X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.40/XEmacs 19.14

Ben Bleything  writes:
> Binaries of ALW-related stuff 

Binary groups are not allowed in alt outside of the alt.binaries
hierarchy.

> I'm giving you all permission (as if I have to do that) to mail bomb,
> spam-back, spam-mail, whatever, any spammers that post outside the
> subject into this Newsgroup.. THANKS!

Mail-bombing can be prosecuted (at least in the US) as a criminal
denial-of-service attack.  Soliciting for such may also be an offense,
so you might want to be careful what you're encouraging...

-- 
 o         Brian Edmonds 
 \\_/\_,   Moderator: rec.arts.anime.creative, rec.music.info
(*)   (*)  See http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds for me and my hobbies


Article 16006 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.68k
Subject: cmsg rmgroup comp.os.linux.68k
Control: rmgroup comp.os.linux.68k
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <849553807.13613@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:10:07 GMT
Lines: 5
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAgUBMqMpkMJdOtO4janBAQGiMgP8CUtmMXgMIR2RltLmskyvoelfvr4+KbOt
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	jOF6mc67MZo=
	=ZHOP

comp.os.linux.68k is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.

comp.os.linux.m68k should be used instead.


Article 16013 of control.rmgroup:
Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!bounce-back
From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: sci.med.cannabis
Subject: cmsg rmgroup sci.med.cannabis
Control: rmgroup sci.med.cannabis
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850000506.1716@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:15:06 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAgUBMqn6esJdOtO4janBAQHa3QP+PGNuwAZMrtHfwtgx+YjXXLAC71yZkcR0
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	QmpmXD86BCs=
	=g+it

sci.med.cannabis is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16014 of control.rmgroup:
Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!bounce-back
From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-scum
Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.admin.net-scum
Control: rmgroup news.admin.net-scum
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850000505.1706@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:15:05 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAgUBMqn6ecJdOtO4janBAQE7oQP9G0Oq28Nrj6hqdXf014PuCVlv5W/YKa8T
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	wKDPxFtm/SQ=
	=Gxpx

news.admin.net-scum is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that
it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16015 of control.rmgroup:
Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!bounce-back
From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.meow
Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.newusers.meow
Control: rmgroup news.newusers.meow
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850000504.1695@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:15:04 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAgUBMqn6eMJdOtO4janBAQHs+gP/RF5UyoZ3ZbxjRBem7iLB/cRJNQQF8dtn
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	zM6pUN8c2WQ=
	=1gEs

news.newusers.meow is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that
it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16012 of control.rmgroup:
Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!bounce-back
From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.binaries.d
Subject: cmsg rmgroup comp.sys.atari.binaries.d
Control: rmgroup comp.sys.atari.binaries.d
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850000210.1248@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:10:10 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAgUBMqn5UsJdOtO4janBAQGdpwP/Qcv8L0JRa3jOxBGftJlR13wIYMoKc4WI
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	HTjC7P9JAfw=
	=AX+s

comp.sys.atari.binaries.d is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given
that it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation
procedures.  Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16016 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.binaries
Subject: cmsg rmgroup comp.sys.atari.binaries
Control: rmgroup comp.sys.atari.binaries
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850000209.1238@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:10:09 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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comp.sys.atari.binaries is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given
that it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation
procedures.  Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16011 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.admin.netscum
Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.admin.netscum
Control: rmgroup news.admin.netscum
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <849996004.25805@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:00:04 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
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	=8mEy

news.admin.netscum is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that
it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16019 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: soc.motts
Subject: cmsg rmgroup soc.motts
Control: rmgroup soc.motts
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850002603.4003@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:50:03 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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soc.motts is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16017 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: soc.meow
Subject: cmsg rmgroup soc.meow
Control: rmgroup soc.meow
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850002306.2859@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:45:06 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
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soc.meow is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16018 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.meow
Subject: cmsg rmgroup rec.music.meow
Control: rmgroup rec.music.meow
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850002305.2835@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:45:04 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
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	=ovU7

rec.music.meow is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16020 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.misc
Subject: cmsg rmgroup comp.sys.atari.misc
Control: rmgroup comp.sys.atari.misc
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850000208.1223@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:10:08 GMT
Lines: 6
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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	=A/N2

comp.sys.atari.misc is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that
it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.

The most relevant newsgroup in the comp.sys.atari hierarchy should be
used instead.


-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:17 PST 1996
Article: 117369 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: a,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Net Abuse - Forge Cancels
Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:55:56 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 53
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:117369 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:795 news.admin.censorship:21074

Article 3902643 of control.cancel:
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,misc.activism.militia
Subject: cmsg cancel 
Control: cancel 
Date: 2 Dec 1996 19:47:19 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Lines: 2
Approved: militia-request@atype.com
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: beth.atype.com


Article cancelled by moderator.


Article 3901131 of control.cancel:
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,misc.activism.militia,talk.politics.guns,misc.test
Subject: cmsg cancel 
Control: cancel 
Date: 2 Dec 1996 19:17:13 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Lines: 2
Approved: militia-request@atype.com
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: beth.atype.com


Article cancelled by moderator.


Article 3900884 of control.cancel:
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: cmsg cancel 
Control: cancel 
Date: 2 Dec 1996 18:17:13 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Lines: 2
Approved: militia-request@atype.com
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: beth.atype.com


Article cancelled by moderator.


-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:18 PST 1996
Article: 117426 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.uunet.anti-trust,news.admin.censorship,alt.college.college-bowl,news.admin.policy,alt.flame,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,news.groups,alt.cracker.martin-hannigan,news.admin.meow,news.announce.fluffy,harvard.general,su.etc,HARVUD.snobs,netcom.general,netcom.netcruiser.general,netcom.shell.general
Subject: Fighting Net Abuse Through Boycotts
Date: 7 Dec 1996 22:50:48 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 47
Message-ID: 
References:   <32AA2E24.3AE3@aol.com> 
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:117426 news.admin.censorship:21099 alt.college.college-bowl:15659 alt.flame:31091 news.groups:169085

The Schnozzer  writing [ 2840] bytes in  said:

> In article <32AA2E24.3AE3@aol.com>, Smokin' Pope  wrote:
> >The Schnozzer wrote:
> >> 
> >> In article <32AA2A63.6B2C@aol.com>, Smokin' Pope  wrote:
> >> >Ed Foster wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article , varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > boursy  writing [ 3680] bytes in <58botm$q0a@dhp.com>
> >> said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >Steve you really need to GET A CLUE.  With all the other available
> >> >> > > >feeds out there, and the lack of groups carried by UUNET, nobody 
> takes
> >> >> > > >them seriously anymore.  RM's from David C Lawrence are logged only
> >> >> > > >and I decide what happens.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >       Well that's very good to hear from IBM net.  AOL ignores
> >> >> > > Lawrence altogether as does any repsonsible sys admin.  Several
> >> >> > > problems though include a few nationals who will only accept
> >> >> > > UUNET approved Big Eight groups (Concentric and Nutcom) while
> >> >> > > the rest ignore them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Netcom's record of net abuse grows grows by the day.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Boycott Netcom and Concentric.
> >> >>
> >> >> How about boycotting the idiot Troy Varange?
> >> >>
> >> >> Plonk!!!
> >> >
> >> >Guess you shoewd HIM, Eddie Boy!!
> >> >
> >> >Transvestite.
> >> 
> >> She-male.
> >
> >Pure Silk.
> 
> Keegan.

Closet Netcommer.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:19 PST 1996
Article: 117900 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Four More Forged rmgroups
Date: 8 Dec 1996 13:27:17 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 100
Message-ID: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl2.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:117900 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:967 news.admin.censorship:21491

Article 16024 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-scum
Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.admin.net-scum
Control: rmgroup news.admin.net-scum
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850062608.29166@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:30:08 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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news.admin.net-scum is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that
it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16023 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.admin.meow
Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.admin.meow
Control: rmgroup news.admin.meow
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850062607.29155@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:30:07 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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news.admin.meow is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it
has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16022 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.admin.cascade
Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.admin.cascade
Control: rmgroup news.admin.cascade
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850062606.29143@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:30:06 GMT
Lines: 3
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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news.admin.cascade is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that
it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation procedures.
Please remove the group from your active file.


Article 16021 of control.rmgroup:
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.cannabis
Subject: cmsg rmgroup misc.activism.cannabis
Control: rmgroup misc.activism.cannabis
Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <850062605.29133@uunet.uu.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:30:05 GMT
Lines: 5
X-Info: ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/misc/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.7 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
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	kCgxKxRZ45g=
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The recent newgroup for this group in my name was a forgery.

misc.activism.cannabis is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given
that it has not been approved by accepted USENET group creation
procedures.  Please remove the group from your active file.


-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:20 PST 1996
Article: 117932 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism, misc.activism.anti-fascism.*
Date: 8 Dec 1996 16:05:09 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 30
Message-ID: 
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Paul Kneisel  writing [ 1664] bytes in  said:

> >I've already done so here. No cancel for tallpaul@nyct.net exists. Period.
> 
> Little boys should not pretend to be technically wiser than they
> are. They just make fools of themselves as they self-righteously
> redefine problems that never existed so they get to state that
> the phenomenoa of which people wrote never existed.

The reason no one sees your political posts is because you don't
post them!  You don't have any!  You're just like Rich Graves and
other vain creatures that pretend to have a political orientation
as a cover for attacking other people's ideologies while having
no ideology of their own.

I don't see how people get the idea that you have some sort of
socialist leaning, as you've never said anything in favor of
socialism.

Well, I'm working up an honest RFD for a socialist newsgroup, and
my definition of socialism is certainly a little broader than
"someone who agrees with me," or, "opposition to all the same
forces I oppose."

Would everyone want to see your definitions of socialism and
fascism!  It'd help deflate the rumor that you have no sense of
humour.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:21 PST 1996
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> Lawrence/tale gets a free ride because he stepped in after things were
> solidified, had his name hardcoded into INN, and has a monopoly.  It's
> nearly impossible to compete with that huge head-start.

Not, perhaps, for the admins too stupid to remove the UUNET
specific code when compiling inn.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 11:34:22 PST 1996
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> I note in the post below that R. Graves has chosen to revise the
> intimations in the mind of the reader of my psychiatric unfitness
> to moderate a news group.

Your absolutely correct; the debate among the proponents is
exclusively about personalities, not politics.

> However, let me note that the issue of my "apparent nervous
> breakdown" in this matter concerns issues exclusively raised by a
> menagerie of R. Graves, T. Varange, and J. Kramer.

When we were enjoying our stogies over coffee and donuts outside
Pete's last weekend, we had a difficult time in telling ourselves
apart; we are so much alike in disposition and our ideas on
improving usenet.

-- 
Cheers!


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Article 3946969 of control.cancel:
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-- 
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From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 17:00:43 PST 1996
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> >France, with the strictist immigration laws in Europe, from what
> >I understand, deported 5,000 illegals
> 
> God bless them they are right.

Yet, "strict" France simultaneously imported 20,000 legals, and
granted citizenship to more.

> I have been in America for the last eight months and traveled around.
> 
> First came here in 1985
> 
> Hey America, you are turning into a third-world mexican/hipanic slum.
> 
> Going back to Ireland next month sad to see America dying you had so 
> much once.

Your kind will revive Europe, starting with Ireland.

We need more of your kind here.

> Shame on you, how could you give your great nation away to races that 
> will ruin it?

Because of the uncultured rule of capitalism over the entire
Western World.

Capitalists demand cheap people just as they demand cheap
politicians.

Oh, when the "expensive" people come to power!  We will find the
"skills" of the ruling class to be worthless, at best.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Mon Dec  9 17:00:44 PST 1996
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> : Shame on you, how could you give your great nation away to races that 
> : will ruin it?
> 
> Funny, that's how many Americans felt about the wave of Irish immigrants
> 150 years ago.  They were considered to be ignorant, violent, drunkards,
> and Papists.  Many thought that their effect on the nation would be
> the same as the Irish poster, Mr. Cooper, thinks that Hispanics are
> having now.  Like the Hispanics, the Irish were tolerated because
> they were an abundant source of cheap labor, but, as with Hispanics,
> few of the other Americans wanted them as neighbors.

Indeed!  The capitalists demanded tens of millions of immigrants
>from  impoverished nations as a vast pool of slave labor to break
the all-union movement, to make people cheaper, to lower costs,
to destroy the socialist movement, to sacrifice the people to the
satanic G-d of net-gain!; repercussions of which live to this
day!

And they're still doing it!  The ruling class with it's
globalists, traders, etc., continue their campaign to make
humanity cheaper; they're throwing vitriol in the face of
Europe!

> One of the worst riots in U.S. history, and by far the worst in
> New York City history, was the 1863 draft riot.  The rioters were
> sons of Irish-Americans who had arrived just a few years before;
> they didn't want to fight for the U.S.A.  

The heritage of the militia movement!  Hooray for the Irish
patriots of 1863!

> Today, a major source of illegal immigration in the northeast U.S.
> is from Ireland.  Yes, today, in 1996.  The illegal Irish immigration

The total legal immigration from Ireland from 1965-1995 is
something like 300,000; every other Western nation doesn't even
come close.

Do you know what the statistics are for illegals from Ireland?
Note that some "Irish Illegals" are not Irish at all but use
Ireland as a gobetween.

> is largely due to Ireland's tendency to produce children faster than
> it produces jobs.  Hmmm....is Ireland the Mexico of the North Atlantic?

Ireland, like every Western nation, bar none, has extremely low
birth rates.  Every Western nation in the world is dying from
internal causes; all of us are being stabbed in the back by "our"
leaders of the business world.

> I'd like to know how Mr. Cooper feels about the Irish experience
> in America as it compares to that of the Hispanics.

The Irish-Americans are a hell of a lot more loyal than the
Chicanos, re: the Chicano guerilla war against the USA sponsered
by the Mexican ruling class.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec 10 07:18:18 PST 1996
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> Why were the WASP and the irish invasions of North America *right* 
> and is the Latino-Hispanic invasion of the same *wrong* ?

There's a billion Latino/Hispanic/Mestizo/Native Americans in the
Americas.  They won't go away if the USA discontinues the
migrations and trade between the USA and the rest of the
Americas.  No, there's nothing to fear but fear itself!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec 10 07:21:31 PST 1996
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> Nixon, the most anti-Semitic of all our presidents,

Thomas Jefferson.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec 10 07:21:33 PST 1996
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> This insidious Linda Bryan (or, however you spell her name) told the 
> radio journalist in the interview that such nasty feelings towards 
> Arabs are basically INDIGENOUS to Judaism and to the Jewish faith, 
> because the Jewish religion by its very nature is intertwined with 
> Zionistic themes (and according to HER interpretation, Zionism is a 
> very immoral ideology.)  

Zionism is a fraction of Judaism, but not a common denominator.
Zionism includeds Judaism but not neccessarily the other way
around.

>                          Then, according to her own account, she "saw 
> the light," so to speak.  She experienced a spiritual revelation, she 
> relates, and as a result she ultimately CONVERTED to Catholicism.  Now 
> that she believes in the Trinity, and that Jesus is the "son of God," 
> et cetera...  now, she says, that she is a Christian rather than a 
> Jew...  now, she says, she no longer hates the Palestinians, but 
> rather, she perceives them all as her brothers and her sisters 
> "through Christ."  

Do unto others as you want done unto thee.

Haven't Jewish leaders been aggressively proselytizing the
Christians in the USA?  Are you suprised the exact same slogans
are being used against Jews in Israel?

I believe that Karma is being slipped into your collective
felafel!

Control your proselytizing "leaders" in the USA, and the healthy
results will trickle on down to little ole Israel, practibly an
American state anyway.

> nothing is worse than an American radio network (NPR) which chooses to 
> relay this garbage under the guise of "neutral" reporting.  

So the NPR sucks; you just finding that out?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Tue Dec 10 07:21:34 PST 1996
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> from the San Francisco Examiner (Sunday, Dec. 8, 1996, page A1):
> 
>  Jewish contributers to his Democratic rivals, demanding a top aid, "What
> about the rich Jews?...Go after 'em like a son of a bitch ...could we
> please investigate some of the cocksuckers?," newly released White House
> tapes show.>

Are you sure that Henry Kissinger didn't say that?

Kissinger agreed with the policy, at least.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Tue Dec 10 07:52:48 PST 1996
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> >> >I can testify three posts on this subject did indeed vanish from apst.
> >> 
> >> Please substantiate this by posting a cancel message for these
> >> "vanished" posts. Please include full headers for both the vanished
> >> post and the cancel message. 
> >
> >trn
> >gcontrol
> >c
> >y
> >P
> >y
> >/'e-mail address'/IrHfrom: T.
> >+
> >:s

A better way is:

trn
gcontrol
y
/'e-mail address'/Hfrom:mT.
+
:s

> >Now, nobody tell me that procedure isn't easy.

Except the first example I gave doesn't work.

> >If the cancel's been in the last few days, post the e-mail
> >address of the suspected cancel and I'd be pleased to do a favor
> >of looking for it here.
> 
> I've already done so here. No cancel for tallpaul@nyct.net exists. Period.

I couldn't find any, but you didn't even look.  Clue: Dejanews is
crap.  Searching control newsgroups is the only reliable method.

> >(Actually, it's control.cancel at CRL, but it's control at most
> >servers.)
> 
> It's too bad I *plonked* you just a few seconds ago. Next time I get my
> news, I wont be able to read your enlightened repitions of other peoples
> arguemnts, such as here, where you repeat mine, exactly.

You gave no instructions for searching for cancels, much less
"exactly" as mine.

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From varange@crl.com Tue Dec 10 07:52:53 PST 1996
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Article 3946969 of control.cancel:
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From varange@crl.com,cuahtemoc@earthlink.net Wed Dec 11 07:50:37 PST 1996
Article: 119143 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Foundation of Asia
Date: 11 Dec 1996 06:06:16 -0800
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> > Shame on you, how could you give your great nation away to races that
> > will ruin it?
> 
> Races...no, already you are invalid. Before you Euros invaded we had no
> slums, blame the 1492 and up European idealogy of throwing crap out of

Of course there were no slums in the Americas of 1492.  Those who
were poor, starved or were otherwise killed.

> windows and being dirty in general. Look back in the history of the the
> U.S., or any other "American" country. The only race that ruined
> anything was the race of Europeans. Am I to think that the results of

Yes, the Europeans did increase the colored population of the
Americas 500 fold.

> the 504 years of 'greatness' is the ravaged environment? You must!
> Blaming 'mexican/hispanics' for ruining a country. Geez... your polished
> view of United States history obviously didn't change in the whopping 8
> months you were here. Have a safe trip back to Ireland.           JQ

Polished?!??

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From varange@crl.com,anichter@gramercy.ios.com Wed Dec 11 08:33:09 PST 1996
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> : > is largely due to Ireland's tendency to produce children faster than
> : > it produces jobs.  Hmmm....is Ireland the Mexico of the North Atlantic?
> 
> : Ireland, like every Western nation, bar none, has extremely low
> : birth rates.
> 
> Ireland does not produce enough jobs for its young workers.

Which is a problem in every Western country; it's not specific to
Ireland in any way.

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From varange@crl.com,anichter@gramercy.ios.com Wed Dec 11 08:33:10 PST 1996
Article: 92116 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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> : >Yes, today, in 1996.  The illegal Irish immigration
> : >is largely due to Ireland's tendency to produce children faster than
> : >it produces jobs. 
> 
> : Ireland has the one of the lowest birth rates in the world at the moment 
> : and is producing tens of thousands of high-technology jobs. All your 
> : best American jobs go to Ireland because of the low standard of 
> : education in your 'Macerna' Disneyland. 

Those "Americans" are traitors.  Every Western country has
similar problems; nothing is solved by moving to one from the
other.

It'll be a happy America when "our" ex-patriats are expropriated
and deported all around the world.

> : The birth rate thing you mentioned tells me you are an anti-catholic 
> : bigot and while we are on the subject the catholic church in Ireland is 
> : almost gone. Like so your vicious sterotype of Irish breeding like rats.
> 
> I said nothing about a *high* birth rate.  I simply stated that
> it exceeds the ability to create jobs.  

A serious problem everywhere in the Western World.  We're
exporting our jobs just like we export our technology.  It'd be
better for us to stop the Trade for the Sake of Trade theology
and expropriate and deport "our" worthless ruling class
forcefully.

> I'm not an "anti-Catholic bigot".  I am aware that the two
> most devoutly Catholic countries in Europe have declining populations;
> I suspect that their birth rates are lower than Ireland's.

Catholic Italy and cosmopolitan Russia have extremely low birth
rates; religion doesn't seem to have any strong influence in
this; Russia's birthrate was fairly low in Soviet times too.

> : >Hmmm....is Ireland the Mexico of the North Atlantic?
> 
> : Then Britian must be the Hatai of the North Atlantic as we are doing 
> : much better than them.
> 
> That may be true.  Britain is in sad shape, relatively speaking.

Cultural values such as morality and loyalty to the common cause
of the masses is infinitely more valuable than mere economics.
It's the ruling class of Britain that is sucking the nation's
cultural and economic wealth down the toilet.  It was the
murdurously avaricius foreign ruling class that killed the
million+ last century in the Famine, not a mere failure of bad
agronomy.  While millions were dying, the foreign landlords were
feeding corn and other healthy crops to their pigs for export.  A
true Irish leadership would never let his people starve;  the
true leader would fight the enemy tooth and nail; he'd throw all
the landlords down the well hogtied.

> : >I'd like to know how Mr. Cooper feels about the Irish experience
> : >in America as it compares to that of the Hispanics.
> 
> : No problem I, like most Irish people are well educated well-travelled 
> : and are well treated by our European cousins. Who know class when the 
> : see it hence the reason why Americans are dispised by the French and the 
> : Irish are well liked.
> 
> I, too, "know class" when I see it; I saw Mr. Cooper call me
> an "ignorant c*nt" above.  I also notice how "well educated"
> he is, as evidenced by the numerous spelling and grammatical
> errors in his post.
> 
> : >By the way, this post is not intended to be anti-Irish; 
> 
> : Of course not, it is typical of the ignoant American mentality coupled 
> : with the need to fell superior in the face of a very scary future that 
> : America has comming.

Eh?  We're all Europeans under the skin; we're all ignorant!

> In that case, Ireland should be scared as well.  Much of that
> high-technology job growth in Ireland has been fueled by
> investment by American companies.

Which a revived Ireland will nationalise and deport the owners.

> : The Irish, Italians, Pols, Germans and other Europeans made the United 
> : States great. But they were not the ones who fucked it up. 
> 
> While the Irish made contributions, they also caused considerable problems
> for New York City over the years:  its worst riot ever, some of its
> most violent gangs, some of its worst political corruption,
> and heavy burdens on its private charities.

What is the Irish political influence in America today?  Nil.
The Irish are hated like the other Europeans in the USA and
Canada.

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From varange@crl.com,rdbennet@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 11 08:33:11 PST 1996
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> >As for the rich, I'd love to see them all deported, penniless.
> >China can have them.
> 
> Yeah, who needs a bunch of smart, hard-working people anyway?  Give us
> your tired, your poor, your stupid, your lazy, you're no-account. 
> That's the winning team!

America will thrive better on honest failures than successful
crooks.

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From varange@crl.com,hrubin@b.stat.purdue.edu Wed Dec 11 08:35:38 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Foundation of Classical Asia
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> >> Nixon, the most anti-Semitic of all our presidents
> 
> >Thomas Jefferson.
> 
> What is your source for that?

The Jefferson Bible, by Thomas Jefferson.

> Nixon was against the Jews because they were Democrats

Henry Kissinger, Barry Goldwater, etc.

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From varange@crl.com,seward@netcom.ca,cypherpunks@toad.com Wed Dec 11 08:49:47 PST 1996
Article: 521227 of talk.politics.misc
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> >If the free market is a good thing, that it's a democratic way of
> >getting the best to the top of the economic ladder, then I see no
> >reason why this should not also apply to politics.
> 
> >The people have every right to use democracy to establish a
> >non-democratic system re: abolishment of the wealthy as a class
> >and sentencing the entire Forbes 400 and their underlings to 25
> >years at forced labor, say 16 hour days at picking vegetables
> >under the pain of the knouted whip.
> 
> >No Libertarian could oppose the use of the political free market
> >of democracy for undemocratic ends; that would violate the spirit
> >of liberty!
> 
> The basic tenet of libertarianism is that a gang of ten people don't
> have the right to beat somebody up and take his wallet...and that
> stays true, even if the eleven people involved are on a desert island.
> 
> The right to initiate force does not exist; therefore it is not for
> sale in a "democratic free market".

If force within the market is acceptable then so it goes for
politics, too.

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From varange@crl.com Wed Dec 11 10:53:13 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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                        THE THIRD WORLD IS HERE

        Ah, the joys of black rule! Consider our nation's capital, the
District of Columbia, now ruled by a convicted felon and crack user, De
Honubble Marion Barry. Washington, D.C. (aside from the sanitized,
self-enclosed and virtually fortified areas where the politicians and senior
government bureaucrats hang out during the daytime) now resembles your
average country anywhere in Black Africa.

        The police have no gasoline for their cruisers. Health clinics and
hospitals have run out of medicines. Six blocks from the White House,
firefighters ride trucks with no ladders and must buy their own boots. The
streets are crumbling, buckling, filled with potholes and broken glass. The
decrepit water treatment plant spews raw sewage into the Potomac. Earlier
this year prison inmates set fire to their cells when the jail ran out of food.

        The city is so broke that it could not hold its legally required
presidential primary election, not that the congoid inhabitants are capable
of voting intelligently in any case. The city government is literally out of
money---the monkoids have spent or stolen it all, and no one will lend them
any more. City workers are paid only sporadically or not at all; in
compensation they steal office supplies and equipment or other city property
and sell it on the black market to pay their bills and buy their dope.
During the heavy snowfalls of January the main thoroughfares of the District
were not plowed for a week (and then only with plows borrowed from the
Virginia and Maryland suburbs whose communities could pay the drivers.) Back
streets were never cleared at all.

        School children had to keep their coats on all winter in class
because there was no heat, nor could they flush toilets when the pipes
froze, which led to hygenic conditions better imagined than described. The
school system has been under court order for over five years in a lawsuit
brought by parents to repair over SEVENTEEN THOUSAND specific fire, health,
safety, and building code violations; the court order has been more or less
ignored and being black and Democratic the city administrators guilty of
this contempt of court have not been disciplined or sanctioned in any way.

        Except for the upper-class Georgetown politicians' enclave, Whites
have now fled the nation's capital completely, and things have gotten so bad
that the "black middle class" which has been artificially created by
affirmative action is pulling out now, mostly fleeing to Prince George's
County, Maryland which is now developing all the problems of crime and
squalor and disorder customarily associated with negroid populations.

        Washington, D.C. has the potential to become the most beautiful city
in the world, as anyone who has ever been there can attest, if only the city
can be cleansed from top to bottom of the jungle savages who now inhabit it,
as well as the scum-sucking liberal and conservative politicians who refuse
to acknowledge the realities of race and who perpetuate this country's
unspeakably hideous racial situation in order to hold on to their personal
power. Of all the events in the White Revolution to come, this is one of the
most necessary, worthwile, and aesthetically pleasing projects on our agenda.

        Periodically I get letters and e-mails from pale-skinned mopes who
whine, "You have some good ideas and I like reading your stuff, but I am not
a White supremacist".  Why on earth NOT, I always wonder? 

        Well, the answer is simple. If you are White, and you genuinely are
NOT a White supremacist, then you are a sickening and contemptible coward
afraid to face the truth because you don't want to know, or else because you
are afraid acknowledging the truth might cost you financially or socially.
Or else you are an idiot of subnormal intelligence incapable of grasping the
most elementary facts of life. Think about it. Explains a hell of a lot,
doesn't it?  

        If there are any two glaring obvious, inescapable, salient facts
about the entire twentieth century experience, they are the following two
truths, chiseled in cosmic granite:

        A) Marxism and Marxist socialism DOES NOT WORK; and 

        B) The White (Aryan) race is superior in every mental, physical,
moral, creative, and spiritual way to every other race on the face of the
earth, MOST ESPECIALLY to the negroid or congoid or black race, which is in
every way INFERIOR to every other race on the face of the earth.

        How many Washington D.C.'s are necessary to prove this point? How
many Detroits? How much corruption in Nigeria? How much disease in Zimbabwe?
How much mass murder in Rwanda? How much collapse and return to the jungle
in Zaire? How much AIDS in Haiti? How many black faces on Cops and America's
Most Wanted? How many attacks by cannibals in American inner cities, some
with living babies ripped from the wombs of their White slut mothers as
happened less than a year ago? How many O. J. Simpsons, how many Michael
Irvins, how many Crips and Bloods, how many raped and murdered White
women---holy Mother of God, what will it take to convince some of you
imbeciles out there that these creatures are not men in the sense that we
are, but animals on a lower level of development who have acquired the
ability to mimic human speech but not human souls? Will it be necessary for
you or for someone you love to be butchered by niggers before you become a
"White supremacist"? Unfortunately, some even undergo that experience and
don't learn.

        Sorry. I suppose I am raving, but I get so sick of White people who
are stupid, cowardly, or both that I have a tendency to do that sometimes.
"Luther Williams" is right. There are certain kinds of mind-numbing idiocy
that I don't have the patience to deal with. And you know something? I don't
particularly care to learn to deal with it, either. 

        The problem is US, people. The problem is US. I know there's a lot
of people who are uncomfortable and unhappy with me saying that all the
time. Tough. The evidence is before you, White man. We are men. Niggers are
beasts of the field and the wild waste. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
 
For Aryan Victory,
WINSTON SMITH
General Secretary
N.S.W.P.P.





     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,steelkeel@aol.com Wed Dec 11 14:19:30 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: CFR
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> I am looking fro deep background info on the CFR, Trilateral Commission
> and the like for educational purposes.  If you have any info or can point
> me to a place on the internet, please e-mail me. Thanks.

The CFR's philosophy can be studied through their public
statements in their monthly magazine Foreign Affairs.

Foreign Policy is another monthly rag with identical viewpoints
as the CFR.

The daily newspaper Wall Street Journal gives a daily dose of CFR
style claptrap.

The John Birch Society's weekly magazine New American has much
coverage of the CFR and it's hundred's of interlocking offshoots.

Study the enemy; keep a watch on what they say and do.

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Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,doctorl@aztec.asu.edu Wed Dec 11 14:19:31 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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> I would encourage everyone to read the writings of Thomas
> Paine to understand the original foundations of American
> freedoms. 

Has anybody read Rebels and Redcoats?  It comes highly
recommended by John Katz as a patriotic work for students and
hasn't been printed in ages.  If I find and like it, I'll post
it.

-- 
Cheers!


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December 9, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

An Open Letter from the "Zundelsite" to all principled Freedom-of-Speech
activists globally:  We Are In Need Of Intervenors!

As many of you know from hundreds of articles and newscasts this past year,
the Zundelsite is arguably the best-known - and most controversial -
Website on the Internet.  We are at the cusp of the Revisionist Movement.
We are loved by many, and we are hated by some - but no one is indifferent
to us.

We are engaged in a struggle to revise history - so as to bring history in
accord with the FACTS, not propaganda.  We have no membership.  We are not
affiliated with any political groups.  We are merely asking for scientific,
forensic EVIDENCE justifying widely-held political and financial claims
adversely affecting German people world-wide that the "Holocaust" is indeed
what it is marketed to be.

We were attacked by the German state via Deutsche Telekom in January of
this year which caused the first-ever Internet shutdown of 1500 sites
located at Web Communications in California to prevent people from reaching
our Internet website and participate in, or at least observe, an announced
Holocaust Debate.

We were attacked again and, in effect, politically X-rated in a
precedent-setting censorship move this past summer when the German Ministry
for the Family and the Aged decided that eight of our documents were
"socially disorienting" to minors - because they questioned the
"officially" decreed Holocaust history used to indoctrinate youngsters in
schools in Germany.

We now face a MAJOR censorship assault and possible shutdown of the
Zundelsite by a Canadian organization called the "Canadian Human Rights
Commission" which has decided that the global Internet is a "telephone"
and, hence, falls under the jurisdiction of the CHRC.  This outfit has the
"right" to shut down telephone messages deemed "hateful" by them.  (This
would be similar to telephone info- or hotlines using tape-recorded
messages.)  The Internet is seen by those running the HCRC as embodying a
similar technological rationale.

Ernst Zundel is a German living in Canada.  The Zundelsite is physically
located in the United States.  The person heading CHRC, Maxwell Yalden, has
recently been appointed to a UN advisory position - which means that the
controversy involving the Zundelsite will move straight to the United
Nations level.  The irony of the situation is that Max Yalden, the CHRC's
chief commissioner, ought to be expected to protect human rights, including
the universal right to Free Speech - not stifle or deny that right.

Yet just the opposite is true.  Yalden and his cohorts are abusing the
process by arbitrarily applying their laws to stifle only people of
Zundel's opinion.

Ernst Zundel has stated many times that the Zundelsite has as its mission
the rehabilitation of the honor and reputation of the German nation and
people.  Specifically, the Zundelsite challenges the traditional version of
the "Holocaust" - an Allied propaganda tool concocted during World War II -
that is NOT based on historical fact but is a cleverly used ploy to keep
the German wartime generation and their descendants in perpetual political,
moral, emotional, spiritual and financial bondage.

The Zundelsite challenges three specific, commonly accepted, monstrous lies
pertaining to the "Holocaust":

        * that there ever was a Fuehrer order for the genocidal killings
          of Jews, Gypsies and others

        * that the chief murder weapon or instrument for the alleged
          mass killing, called a "gas chamber," was designed for the
          express purpose of targeting groups of human beings like Jews

        * that the numbers of victims claimed to have been killed are
          anywhere near the number of people who actually died in
          concentration camps of whatever cause - including lack of
          food, lack of shelter and medicines, epidemics, old age and the
vagaries of total war.

To claim that World War II was fought by the Germans, as the Holocaust
Promotion Lobby incessantly claims, just to kill off the Jews as a group,
is a deliberately planned, systematic deception amounting to financial,
political, emotional and spiritual extortion. The "Holocaust," first
propagandized as a tragedy, has over time deteriorated into a racket
cloaked in the tenets of a new temporal religion - replete with martyrs to
the Faith, holy shrines, high priests like Wiesel and Goldhagen, and
theologians of the Faith such as Raul Hilberg, Deborah Lipstadt et al.

The "Holocaust" is NOT a Faith.  It is alleged history.  It is high time to
subject the "Holocaust" to public scrutiny - just as any other historical
issue has been subjected to public scrutiny since time immemorial.

That is precisely what we want.  We want no more - no less.

We want unfettered public examination and discussion of the EVIDENCE as we
have found it and continue to find it.  Our ultimate political goal is a
neutral international symposium with full access to still classified World
War II documents held by all nations willing to look at and evaluate our
evidence in an unbiased manner - and the Holocaust promoters' claims as
well.

We will stand tall if we are right.  We will self-destruct if we are wrong.
That's it.

Until this happens, the Zundelsite intends to function as an information
outreach source. The Zundelsite documents will prove in many different ways
- statistically, forensically, and logically - that it is historically
inaccurate, emotionally misleading and cruelly unfair to Germans everywhere
to claim the "Holocaust" took place in the form portrayed by the
conventional media, most institutions of learning and mainstream media, and
especially by writers like Wiesel, Hilberg and Goldhagen.

The Zundelsite is dedicated to the sacred belief held by all independent
people everywhere that a truly democratic society does not need to fear,
suppress and persecute an alternate view of history, culture, race,
religion or politics.  In truly democratic societies, a citizen is
duty-bound to inform himself and others of a threat to the public welfare
and to act in defense of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That is what we are doing - by our research, and by publishing our
findings. We believe in truth, freedom, fairness and justice for all - not
just for the privileged, politically correct and well-connected wealthy
few.  The German people have a rightful claim to fairness.  After over
fifty years of suppression, persecution and massive disinformation, we ask
that the World community grant the Germans, as individuals and as a group,
the right to free themselves - peacefully and legally! - from the mental
shackles of defeat imposed on them since 1945.   We ask that they be given,
too, the right to full free speech and to unfettered inquiry into their own
history!

We believe in Article 19 of the United Nations Charter on Human Rights
which encourages us to inform ourselves and others across state lines and
frontiers by all means possible - especially when abuses, wrongdoing and
criminal acts occur - even by people in high positions endowed with
enormous authority, hiding their abuses behind a veneer of supposed
"legality", as is the case at hand with the Canadian Human Rights
Commission now trying to shut down the Zundelsite!

The United Nations Declaration of Human Rights reads as follows:

     "Everyone has the right of freedom of opinion and expression; this
right includes freedom to hold opinion without interference and to seek,
receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless
of frontiers."

This is a call and plea to all fair-minded people everywhere regardless of
race or religion - inside and outside of governments, Human Rights
Organizations, and disciplines in various fields TO HELP US AS ACTIVE
INTERVENORS in the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal Hearings, which are to
start this month.  There is NO TIME TO LOSE!

Specifically, we are looking for the following:

*       legal experts in international law
*       experts in mass communications, especially in electronic
communications, who can explain to a lay panel what tools and methods have
evolved and have been and are now being used pertaining to the Internet
*       experts on terrorism and counter-terrorism, conflict resolution etc.
*       experts on the history of how occupied people can, and have, freed
themselves from subjugation and bondage by non-violent means
*       experts on the United States RICO statutes pertaining to extortion
racketeering on a national and global scale (the "Holocaust" may fit the
crime!)
*       censorship experts
*       linguists and experts in social control who can testify to the
impact of words on the mind

The Zundelsite is pioneering freedom on the Internet.  We don't ask that
you like us or that you agree with us.  We only ask that you be fair - and
act according to your conscience.  You Freedom Fighters on the Net have
been so generous to us at the beginning of the year when we were totally
unknown and barely alive in cyberspace.  You cloned the Zundelsite.  Please
help us now - not just for our sake.  For future generations.  We need you
- more than ever.

Please e-mail your response as soon as possible to  ezundel@cts.com.

Ernst Zundel
206 Carlton Street
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
M 5 A 2 L 1






________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Wed Dec 11 15:17:04 PST 1996
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The following comes from Comrade J. B. Campbell:


Here is how Mr. John Snyder (JSNYDER@trmx3.dot.ca.gov) responded to my
offering on the subject of our wonderful boys slaughtering helpless
German POWs and committing other post-war crimes:

>"Crap!  From your e-mail address, I can guess your location.  Go back to
>your militia games, and may you never need the benefits of this country
>that I and others put our lives on the line to buy you."

I guess, since he is apparently unable to answer my points, that makes me
the winner.

Let's talk about the "benefits of this country" that Mr. Snyder and
others put their lives on the line to buy us, assuming that he is a WWII
vet, since we are only supposed to talk about WWII.  From his address, it
is possible that he is merely a state or federal employee and thus has an
ax to grind against anyone who would dare to criticize fedgov.  He
assumes from my Montana address that I am automatically an enemy of the
state, and he may be right.  There is probably something in my writing
that alerts him to such a danger.

What were the benefits from our participation in the Second World War?
Well, we got some pretty big ships.  And some pretty fantastic airplanes.
The ships and planes cost a lot to run, of course, but the taxpayers
always take care of that.

What else?  Well, our bankers, from whom we borrowed the money for the
ships and planes, became very rich.  This is because it didn't actually
cost them anything to lend us credit, but we had to pay them back with
money we worked to earn.

Of course, the war put everyone back to work, making ships and airplanes.
Few people stop to remember that in the Depression, which ended on 7 Dec,
1941, there had been no money to buy anything.  The bankers had by then
repossessed many homes and farms and businesses.  No one could get credit
because "money was tight."  But once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor,
money wasn't tight anymore.  There was all the money in world available
for ships and airplanes--for Stalin!  And Churchill!  For MacArthur?  No,
no money for him and the men in the Philippines.  The most MacArthur and
Nimitz ever got was 20%of the total, and that was toward the end.

Anyway, everybody got to work.  Our women got to go to work in factories,
making ships and airplanes.  They were liberated from the tyranny of
staying at home, and got to mingle with some interesting people.  And we
got rationing and shortages, so that Stalin and Churchill and our
wonderful boys could have the very best equipment with which to destroy
European culture and set up Communist dictatorships in Germany, Poland,
Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia.  Our wonderful boys were
also used to create Communist dictatorships in China, Korea and Vietnam.
Did you know that Ho Chi Minh was a US intelligence agent during WWII?
He was one of our wonderful boys in OSS!

I guess I haven't really come up with any benefits which our wonderful
boys actually bought us by putting their lives on the line.  When you
stop to think about it, what they actually did was serve our masters who
wanted the political setup in Europe and Asia changed.  They were
expendable gladiators who killed and got killed.

The fact is that WWII not only ruined Europe and Asia but the United
States as well!  The undeclared, no-win wars in Korea and Vietnam were
merely extensions of WWII, with many of the same characters directing the
action on both sides.  And just as the Communists were the real victors
in WWII, so they were in Korea and Vietnam.  America never fights to win
against Communists--only against anti-Communists.  Anti-Communists must
die, as I'm sure Mr. Syder would agree.

There must have been some benefits won for us by our wonderful boys,
fighting Germans and Japanese... Freedom of speech?  Assembly?  The right
to keep and bear arms?  No, they were fought for by real freedom
fighters, long before WWII.  How about the "Four Freedoms?"  Nope--they
were for foreigners, and weren't worth the paper they were written on.
If anything, our duped fighters in WWII were actually fighting for the
downfall of the human race, by making the world safe for Communism.

What Mr. Snyder and the rest of our misguided boys must learn is that it
is not patriotic to fight overseas, because that always means you're
being suckered by bankers and politicians.  I fought overseas but I
didn't pretend that it was for anything but killing Communists.  It is
only "patriotic" to fight invaders or domestic tyrants here at home.
And, it is patriotic for foreigners to fight our wonderful boys when they
invade a foreign country.

If a fellow didn't know the slimy background to Pearl Harbor, which few
did, it was patriotic to fight the Japanese up to the point that they
offered surrender terms, which they did do starting in July, 1942, after
Midway.  At that point, Congress should have demanded a peace treaty,
ordered Roosevelt arrested, tried and hanged for treason for allowing
2,200 Americans to be slaughtered just to get his war against Germany
started.

Americans have many benefits, or used to.  Now, most of the benefits are
those that America gives to foreigners, such as our jobs.  This is all
because of our direction of WWII.  But the benefits which we have enjoyed
had been provided by patriots who defended the Declaration of
Independence with blood and suffering, and by those hardheads who
insisted that there be a Bill of Rights appended to the Constitution.

Vets, don't keep kidding yourselves that by joining up or being drafted
by Franklin Roosevelt that you did something "for our country."  You were
tricked and manipulated by the slimiest con-man in American history to
make the world safe for Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and Ho Chi Minh.

J. B. Campbell







     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org

-- 
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Translators Personal Note:

Although I can speak, read and write German very well, I am a native English
speaker.

This translation is very crude and the real meaning of Hitler's last will
really should be read in the original German language. The Fuhrer uses poetic
words, full of emotion that are almost impossible to convey in the crude
translation.

For those better versed in the German language than myself, please feel free
to edit this translation to more closely reflect the original form. E-Mail
the good folks at NSWPP.

***************************************************************************

ADOLF HITLER'S POLITICAL TESTAMENT (WILL)

Introduction: Due to  the need for of authenticity, this German document 
should only be posted in original German wordings and should match word 
for word with the original document. Copies of this Will many only be 
distributed in this exact form and must not have a single word changed.
Please add the German text to the end of the English text so that the real
meaning of this document can be understood by German speakers.

A translation into a foreign language is allowed so long as the basic meaning
of the document is not lost.

The document (Hitler's Will) was signed on April 29th, 1945 and witnessed by
the Secretary of the Reichs Leadership - Martin Bormann and was signed at
4:00 AM in the Fuhrer's main quarters in Berlin. Two additional signatures
are unreadable. On this same day, Borman dictated at Munchen 33, Fueherbau, 
these words to Doenitz:

Dear Admiral (Grossadmiral = Main Admiral).:

Due to the fact that all divisions are almost gone and our situation seems
hopeless, the Fuehrer dictated last night the attached political Will and
Testament.

Heil Hilter, signed Martin Borman.

MY POLITICAL TESTAMENT - PART 1

Since 1914, when I first volunteered to use my strength in the First World
War, which was forced onto the Reich, barely 30 years have passed by.

In these last 30 years, I have devoted all of my thoughts, negotiations
[German: Handel] and my love and admiration to the German people. They gave me 
power and hard determination, more than any living person has ever
experienced. I have used up all of my time, energy, and health in these last
3 decades.

Neither I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. No, the war was
wanted and forced on us by those international statesmen who were either
Jewish, or were working for Jewish interests.

I made too many concessions for the reduction or cessation of the military
build-up, actions which will not be possible to dismiss away forever after
the war is over, even though these actions will be blamed as my
responsibility for the outbreak of the war. 

I never desired, after the loss of the First World War, a second war against
England or America. It will take centuries, but out of the ruins of our
cities and our cultural heritage, the hate against those which truly are
responsible for this war will build up once again, and turn against
the ones responsible for this war: the international Jews and their helpers.

Three days before the outbreak of the German-Polish war, I made a proposal
to the British minister in Berlin, which was similar to my proposal for the
Saar area of Germany to be placed under international control. This
offer cannot be lied away. It was discarded, as the mainstream English
politicians wanted the war, partly because of the economic benefit a war
would bring and partly because of the pressure from the international Jewish 
propaganda.

I have never had any doubt that when the European people once again acted as
puppets to this international money and financial cartel, that they
themselves (the Jews) would also have to carry the responsibility as 
the leaders of this murderous plot. 

I have never concealed from anybody that this time not only millions of
European children of Aryan stock would starve to death, that millions of
grown men would face death, that not only hundreds of thousands women and
children would be burned in our cities and bombed to death, but also the
ones directly responsible for the war, even through they will be affected in
a more human way, will have to pay dearly for it.

(Note: The above paragraph is very hard to translate. Mr. Hitler is saying in
effect that even though the Germans have suffered terribly, the Jews - the
true creators of World War 2, would also pay for it).

After a 6 year war, in which we will be remembered as the most heroic of
nations, I cannot bring myself to leave Berlin, the main city of the Reich.
Because the power of the German people is too small to hold the enemy back
>from  even this spot, the one act of resistance - as character-less as it may
seem - and as millions of others in this city have done, is to stay behind
in this city. Furthermore, I do not want to fall into the hands of the
enemy, who will need to vent their anger in a new, Jewish arranged play.

I have therefore decided to stay in Berlin, from where I can decide my own
fate, when it is apparent that the leader and Chancellor of the Third Reich
cannot hold this seat any longer. I will die with a happy heart while I look
at the actions and accomplishments of the soldiers on the front, our women at
home, the accomplishments of the farmers, the workers, and the young, who for
the first time in history were deployed, (these accomplishments) all bearing
my name.

That I give you my deepest heartfelt thanks, is just as clear as my wish,
that even though you may not like it, under no circumstances are you to give
up. Instead, wherever you are, you must fight against the enemy of the
Fatherland. From the victims of our soldiers and from my own covenant with
you until death, German history will sooner or later rise again through the
seed of
the German Folk, to create the rebirth of a shining National Socialist movement.
Thereby a true Nation will once again be realized.

Many brave men and women have decided bind their lives with mine until the
end. I have begged and ordered you not to do this but instead to fight for
the Nation. To the leaders of the Army, Luftwaffe and Navy, I ask that you use
every available method to build up a spirit of resistance using the National
Socialist model with the special request that I, as the leader and whip of
this Movement, have decided not to capitulate but to die.

Listen first to the German officers, as is the case with the Navy, that the
surrender of land or a city is not possible and that the leaders have by
clear example shown that the absolute responsibility is to go forward even
unto death.

POLITICAL WILL - PART 2

I remove, right before my death, Field Marshall Herman Goering from the Party
and take away from him all his responsibilities, as per the Ordinance of 
June 29, 1941 and also from my Parliamentary Declaration of September 1,
1939. I name instead Admiral Doenitz to be Party President and Chief Commander 
of the Armed Forces.

I remove, right before my death, SS Leader and Interior Minister Heinrich
Himmler from the Party, and strip him of all his Ministries. I name instead 
to replace him District Leader Karl Hanke to Sub-Commander of the SS and
Chief of Police and District Leader Paul Giesler to the post of Minister of the
Interior.

Goering and Himmler have made secret deals with the enemy, which was done
against my will and without my permission, as well as the attempt - contrary
to the law - to seize power for themselves, which has caused untold damage to
the country and to the German people, totally irrespective of the
trustworthiness of myself.

In order to give the German people a government composed of true men
(trustworthy), who will also carry out their duties of fighting the war with
all methods, I , as leader of this nation, name the following men to my new
cabinet:

Reichs President:            Doenitz
Reichs Chancellor:           Dr. Goebbels
Party Minister:              Bormann
Exterior Minister:           Seyss-Inquart
Interior Minister:           Gauleiter Giesler
War Minister:                Doenitz
Chief of Staff, Men:         Schoerner
Chief of Staff, Navy:        Doenitz
Chief of Staff, Air Force:   Greim
Reichsfuehrer-SS             Gauleiter Hanke
Chief of the German Police:  Gauleiter Hanke
Economy:                     Funk
Land:                        Backe
Justice:                     Thierack
Culture:                     Dr. Scheel
Propaganda:                  Dr. Naumann
Finance Minister:            Schwerin-Crossigk
Work:                        Dr. Hupfauer
Ruestung:                    Saur
Leiter d. deutschen
Arbeitsfront und Mitglied
des Reichskabinett:          Dr. Ley

Although the men above, like Martin Bormann, Dr. Goebbels and others, as well
as their wives, have decided out of their own free will to stay by my side in
the capital city of the Reich and not to flee under any circumstances, I must
insist that they obey my wishes and follow the interests of the Nation 
instead of their own feelings.

They will through their work and trust be in danger after my death, but even
so I hope that my spirit will support and be with them. Please be tough, but
never unfair, and above all never let the fear of the advisors to your
ministries get to you. Let the pride and honor of our nation be first and
foremost, above all else in the world.

May you finally be aware, that our duties and responsibilities for the
continuation of a National Socialist system, the work of the next coming
century, requires one to always place the interests of the masses above one's
own personal interest.

>From all Germans, all National Socialists, men and women and all soldiers in
the armed forces, I expect that you will trust and obey your President in the
new government even until death.

Above all, I require the Leaders of the Nation and followers of the measly
Race Law to mercilessly resist the world poisoners of all peoples:
international Jewry. 

Dictated in Berlin, April 29th, 1945 at 4:00 am.

As Witness: Martin Bormann, signed by Adolf Hitler and other witnesses.


*************************************

ADOLF HITLERS POLITISCHES TESTAMENT
-----------------------------------

Vorwort:  Aus Grunden der Authentizitaet wird dieses Dokument
in Deutsch abgedruckt und stimmt wortwoertlich mit dem Original
ueberein.  Eine Verbreitung darf nur in dieser unverfaelschten
Form erfolgen und in keiner Weise veraendert werden.

Ein Uebersetzung in andere Sprachen is erlaubt wenn der Sinn dabei
nicht veraendert oder verfaelscht wird.

Das Dokument wurde vor Zeugen (Der Sekretaer des Fuehrers
Reichsleiter Martin Borman) am 29.4.1945 im Fueherhauptquartier
in Berlin um 4.00 unterzeichnet. Zwei weitere Unterschriften
sind unleserlich.  Am gleichen Tag diktierte Bormann in Muenchen 33
Fueherbau, noch eine Aktennotiz an D"nitz mit den Worten:

Lieber Grossadmiral!

Da wegen des Ausbleibens aller Divisionen unsere Lage hoffnungslos
erscheint, diktierte der Fuehrer in der vergangenen Nacht das anl.
politische Testament.

Heil Hitler Unterschrift v. Martin Bormann.


MEIN POLITISCHES TESTAMENT - ERSTER TEIL
----------------------------------------

Seit ich 1914 als Freiwilliger meine bescheidene Kraft im ersten,
dem Reich aufgezwungenen Weltkrieg einsetzte, sind nunmehr dreissig
Jahre vergangen.

In diesen drei Jahrzehnten haben mich bei all meinem Denken, Handeln und
Leben nur die Liebe und Treue zu meinem Volk bewegt. Sie gaben mir die
Kraft, schwerste Entschluesse zu fassen, wie sie bisher keinem
Sterblichen gestellt worden sind. Ich habe meine Zeit, meine
Arbeitskraft und meine Gesundheit in diesen drei Jahrzehnten verbraucht.

Es ist unwahr, dass ich oder irgend jemand anderer in Deutschland
den Krieg im Jahre 1939 gewollt haben. Er wurde gewollt und angestiftet
ausschliesslich von jenen internationalen Staatsmaennern, die entweder
juedischer Herkunft waren oder fuer juedische Interessen arbeiteten.
Ich habe zuviele Angebote zur Ruestungsbeschraenkung und Ruestungsbegrenzung
gemacht, die die Nachwelt nicht auf alle Ewigkeiten wegzuleugnen vermag,
als dass sie die Verantwortung fuer den Ausbruch dieses Krieges auf mir
lasten koennte. 

Ich habe weiter nie gewollt, dass nach dem ersten unseligen Weltkrieg
ein zweiter gegen England oder gar Amerika entsteht.  Es werden Jahrhunderte
vergehen, aber aus den Ruinen unserer Staedte und Kunstdenkmaeler wird sich
der Hass gegen das, letzten Endes verantwortliche Volk immer wieder
erneuern, dem wir das alles zu verdanken haben: Dem internationalen
Judentum und seinen Helfern.

Ich habe noch drei Tage vor Ausbruch des deutsch-polnischen Krieges
dem britischen Botschafter in Berlin eine Loesung der deutsch-polnischen
Probleme vorgeschlagen - aehnlich der im Fall des Saargebietes unter
internationaler Kontrolle. Auch dieses Angebot kann nicht weggeleugnet
werden. Es wurde nur verworfen, weil die massgebenden Kreise der
englischen Politik den Krieg wuenschten, teils der erhofften Geschaefte
wegen, teils getrieben durch eine, vom internationalen Judentum
veranstaltete Propaganda.

Ich habe auch keinen Zweifel darueber gelassen, dass wenn die Voelker
Europas wieder nur als Aktienpakete dieser internationalen Geld- und
Finanzverschwoerer angesehen werden, dann wird auch jenes Volk mit zur
Verantwortung gezogen werden,  das der eigentliche Schuldige
an diesem moerderischen Ringen ist: Das Judentum.

Ich habe weiter keinen darueber im Unklaren lassen, dass dieses
Mal nicht nur Millionen Kinder von Europaeern der arischen Voelker
verhungern werden, nicht nur Millionen erwachsener Maenner den
Tod erleiden und nicht nur hunderttausende Frauen und Kinder in den
Staedten verbrannt und zu Tode bombardiert werden duerften, ohne dass
eigentliche Schuldige, wenn auch durch humanerer Mittel, seine Schuld
zu buessen hat.

Nach einem sechsjaehrigen Kampf, der einst in die Geschichte trotz
aller Rueckschlaege als ruhmvollste und tapferste Bekundung des
Lebenswillen eines Volkes eingehen wird, kann ich mich nicht von
der Stadt trennen, die die Hauptstadt dieses Reiches ist. Da die Kraefte
zu gering sind, um den feindlichen Ansturm gerade an dieser Stelle
noch laenger standzuhalten, der eigene Widerstand aber durch ebenso
verblendete wie charakterlose Subjekte  allmaehlich entwertet wird,
moechte ich mein Schicksal mit jenem teilen, das Millionen anderer
auch auf sich genommen haben, indem ich in dieser Stadt bleibe. Ausserdem
will ich nicht Feinden in die Haende fallen, die zur Erlustigung ihrer
verhetzten Massen ein neues, von Juden arrangiertes Schausspiel benoetigen.

Ich hatte mich daher entschlosssen, in Berlin zu bleiben und von dort aus
und freien Stuecken in dem Ausgenblick den Tod zu waehlen, in dem ich glaube,
dass der Sitz des Fuehrers und Kanzlers selbst nicht mehr gehalten werden
kann. Ich sterbe  mit freudigen Herzen angesichts der mir bewussten und
ermesslichen Taten und Leistungen unserer Soldaten an der Front,
unsere Frauen zuhause, den Leistungen unserer Bauern und Arbeitern und der
in der Geschichte einmaligen Einsatz unserer Jugend, die meinen Namen
traegt.

Dass ich Ihnen allen meinen aus tiefsten Herzen kommenden Dank ausspreche,
ist ebenso selbstverstaendlich wie mein Wunsch, dass sie deshalb den
Kampf unter keinen Umstaenden aufgeben moegen, sondern ganz gleich wo immer,
ihn gegen die Feinde des Vazerlandes weiterfuehren, getreu den Bekenntnissen
eines grossen Clausewitz.  Aus den Opfern unserer Soldaten und aus meiner
eigenen Verbundenheit mit ihnen bis in den Tod, wird in der deutschen
Geschichte so oder so einmal wieder der Samen aufgehen zur strahlenden
Wiedergeburt der nationalsozialistischen Bewegung und damit zur
Verwirklichung einer wahren Volksgemeinschaft.

Viele tapferste Maenner und Frauen haben sich entschlossen, ihr Leben
bis zuletzt an das meine zu binden.  Ich habe sie gebeten und ihnen
endlich befohlen, dies nicht zu tun, sondern am weiteren Kampf der
Nation teilzunehmen.  Die Fuehrer der Armeen, der Marine und der Luftwaffe
bitte ich mit aeussersten Mitteln den Widerstandsgeist unserer Soldaten
im  nationalsozialistischen Sinn zu verstaerken unter dem besonderen
Hinweis darauf, dass auch ich selbst, als der Gruender  und Schoepfer
dieser Bewegung, den Tod dem feigen Absetzen oder gar einer
Kapitulation vorgezogen haben.

Moege es dereinst zum Ehrbegriff des deutschen Offiziers gehoeren -
so wie dies in unserer Marine schon der Fall ist - dass die Ubergabe
einer Landschaft oder einer Stadt unmoeglich ist und dass vor
allem die Fuehrer hier mit leuchtendem Beisspiel voranzugehen haben
in treuester Pflichterfuellung bis in den Tod.


POLITISCHES TESTAMENT HITLERS - TEIL II
_______________________________________

Ich stosse vor meinem Toden den frueheren Reichsmarschall Herman
Goering aus der Partei aus und entziehe ihm alle Rechte, die sich
aus dem Erlass vom 29. Juni 1941 sowie aus meiner Reichstagserklaerung
vom 1. September 1939 ergeben koennten. Ich ernenne an Stelle dessen
den Grossadmiral Doenitz zum Reichspraesidenten und Obersten
Befehlshaber der Wehrmacht.

Ich stosse vor meinem Tode den frueheren Reichsfuehrer-SS und Reichsminister
des Inneren, Heinrich Himmler aus der Partei sowie allen Staatsaemtern aus.
Ich ernenne an seiner Stelle den Gauleiter Karl Hanke zum Teichsfuehrer-SS
und Chef der deutschen Polizei und den Gauleiter Paul Giesler zum
Reichsminister des Inneren.

Goering und Himmler haben durch geheime Verhandlungen mit dem Feinde, die
sie ohne mein Wissen und gegen meinen Willen abhielten, sowie durch den
Versuch, entgegen dem Gesetz, die Macht im Staate an sich zu reissen, dem
Lande und dem gesamten Volk unabsehbaren Schaden zugefuegt, gaenzlich
abgesehen von der Treulosigkeit gegenueber meiner Person.

Um dem deutschen Volk eine aus ehrenhaften Maennern zusammengesetzte
Regierung zu geben, die die Verpflichtung erfuellt, den Krieg mit allen
Mitteln weiter fortzusetzen, ernenne ich als Fuehrer der Nation folgende
Mitglieder des neuen Kabinetts:

Reichspraesident:            Doenitz
Reichskanzler:               Dr. Goebbels
Parteiminister:              Bormann
Aussenminister:              Seyss-Inquart
Innenminister:               Gauleiter Giesler
Kriegsminister:              Doenitz
Oberbefehlshaber, Heer:      Schoerner
Oberbefehlshaber, Marine:    Doenitz
Oberbefehlshaber, Luftwaffe: Greim
Reichsfuehrer-SS             Gauleiter Hanke
Chef der deutschen Polizei:  Gauleiter Hanke
Wirtschaft:                  Funk
Landwirtschaft:              Backe
Justiz:                      Thierack
Kultus:                      Dr. Scheel
Propaganda:                  Dr. Naumann
Finanzen:                    Schwerin-Crossigk
Arbeit:                      Dr. Hupfauer
Ruestung:                    Saur
Leiter d. deutschen
Arbeitsfront und Mitglied
des Reichskabinett:          Dr. Ley

Obwohl sich eine Anzahl dieser Maenner, wie Martin Bormann, Dr. Goebbels
usw. einschliesslich ihrer Frauen, aus freiem Willen zu mir gefunden
haben und unter keinen Umstaenden die Hauptstadt des Reiches verlassen
wollten, sondern bereit waren, mit mir hier unterzugehen, muss ich
sie doch bitten, meiner Aufforderung zu gehorchen und in diesem Fall
das Interesse der Nation ueber ihrer eigenen Gefuehle zu stellen.

Sie werden mir durch ihre Arbeit und Treue als Gefaehrten nach dem Tode
ebenso nahestehen wie ich hoffe, dass mein Geist unter ihnen weilen und sie
stets begleiten wird. Moegen sie hart sein, aber niemals ungerecht, moegen
sie vor allem nie die Furcht zum Ratgeber ihres Handels erheben und die
Ehre der Nation ueber alles stellen, was es auf Erden gibt.

Moegen sie endlich dessen bewusst sein, dass unsere Aufgabe des Ausbaues
eines nationalsozialistischen Staates die Arbeit kommender Jahrhunderte
darstellt die jeden einzelnen verpflichtet, immer dem gemeinsamen Interesse
zu dienen und seine eigenen Vorteile demgegenueber zurueckzustellen.

Von allen Deutschen, allen Nationalsozialisten, Maenner und Frauen und allen
Soldaten der Wehrmacht verlange ich, dass sie der neuen Regierung und ihren
Praesidenten treu und gehorsam sein werden bis in den Tod.

Vor allem verpflichte ich die Fuehrung der Nation und die Gefolgschaft zur
peinlichen Einhaltung der Rassegesetze (2) und zum unbarmherzigen Widerstand
gegen den Weltvergifter aller Voelker, das internationale Judentum.
Gegeben zu Berlin. den 29. April 1945. 4.00 Uhr.
als Zeuge: Martin Bormann, Unterschrift von Hitler und weitere Zeugen.



     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org

-- 
Cheers!


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Dear Comrades: The following is some Clinton weirdness, courtesy of
Conspiracy Nation. I do not necessarily believe in what the anonymous author
says---but with the situation the way it is today, it all could well
POSSIBLY be true, and that says a lot about the world we live in today. - WS




              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9  Num. 81
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Letter to Editor, From Latest "Rumor Mill News"
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(PO Box 1784, Aptos, CA 95001-1784 -- $5 per issue)
 
Just saw your October Rumor Mill.  I'd love to subscribe, but I'm
never in one  place  long  enough.   Fortunately  there's lots of
copies of it floating around the Pentagon and  Langley.   If  you
had a dollar for all the ones I've seen, you'd be rich.
 
Just  thought  you'd  like  to  know  that  the subcommittees are
working overtime in order to  nail Clinton.  He has more problems
staring him in the face than Bush ever thought of.   The  enemies
that Clinton has made on the "Hill" are the meanest people in the
whole world!
 
He didn't join the Rogues, as you speculated.  He submitted fully
to Faction II [see CN  9.74],  my  guys.  You were pretty good in
your analysis of the whole thing.  If I didn't know better  about
you, I would say you were trained at Langley.  But then again, if
you were trained by your husband, you were trained at Langley...
 
But  you were wrong about the dates.  The actual power shift took
place November 8th.  Not on the weekend before the election.  The
deal went down at 8AM  on  Friday  the 8th of November.  Up until
that time, there had been a full sanction against  him  [Clinton]
by the Company.
 
He  has  saved  his  hide  and  through it, has prolonged his job
period by 4-5 months.  It doesn't stop the investigations running
against him.
 
Hillary will be formally  indicted  before  the new government is
sworn in.  Just wait until James Carville leaps  onto  the  scene
trying  to  discredit  Kenneth  Starr.  It's going to be the best
show we've seen in years.
 
Lord only knows the compromises that  Clinton is going to have to
make to save his wife from prosecution... and if he doesn't  save
her,  she will sink him.  I have the feeling that he will have to
turn the powers of his Veto  over  to our people.  You now have a
man in the White House who has no  power  whatsoever.   It  won't
help  the  Republicans,  in  the House or the Senate, but it will
make Faction  II  more  than  a  mere  "off  the  shelf"  type of
operation.
 
Thank God that he made the deal!  Operation Mount Rushmore (as in
dead presidents) had been called for and was about to be put into
deed.  It won't change the end effect one bit.  Clinton will step
down before May 31st.  Al Gore is aware of it, as he is  the  one
who suggested to Clinton to take the offer before it was too late
for  an  alternative.   Tipper  will have a ball redecorating the
White House!
 
Everyone on the Hill (who has any real say so) knows that Clinton
cut the deal.  This will take  one  hell of a lot of pressure off
the Navy.  The word Tailhook  will  soon  die.   The  thing  that
finally  tipped the scales was that Internet story about the Navy
shooting down TWA800.  We  saw  the  handwriting  on the wall and
knew that if we didn't come  together  and  move,  Tailhook  Part
Two... as you so aptly put it... would destroy everyone who might
be able to stop him.
                                                      WDC Insider
 
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     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org

-- 
Cheers!


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December 11, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One of the loveliest vignettes I heard when I was up on Vancouver Island at
the end of October doing a dinner program for the Canadian Free Speech
League goes as follows:

During the Second Great Holocaust Trial in 1988 when Ernst Zundel was
fighting for his freedom and integrity, the judge decided to invoke
"judicial notice" -  a legal concept meaning that some "facts" are so
patently "true" that they cannot be argued and defended.  The earth is
round.  The capital of the United States is Washington.  The sun is setting
in the West.

The "Holocaust", the judge in his wisdom decided, was such a "fact" in need
of no examination.  The only thing still left to argue was whether or not
this fellow, Zundel, had maliciously "spread false news" or whether or not
he was too dense to even tell the difference between what he considered
"facts" and other people would call "lies" so as to keep a sterling
conscience.

Some choice on which to base the defense!

It was a major blow before the trial even began.  Ernst's legal team, at
that time, decided that the trial was over.  Doug Christie, his main
attorney, advised Ernst at that point to simply sit it out and make it as
short as possible to save himself unnecessary expenses.  There was no way
that Ernst could win his right to the expression of his skepticism if the
"Holocaust" couldn't be challenged.

Ernst said:  "We will still go ahead.  This is no longer for myself.  The
last trial was for publicity.  This one will be for history.  I will
exonerate my country, Germany."

The person who brought the charges initially in 1983, the Jewess Sabina
Citron, had her expenses covered by the Canadian taxpayers - the Crown
accommodated her and took over the Zundel prosecution.  Ernst Zundel paid,
out of his pocket, the huge expenses for a four-month trial, defending
himself against the charge of having spread "false news".

One of the major outcomes of that trial was, of course, the commissioning
of the Leuchter Report leading to a highly dramatic and secretive mission -
and, lo, the "Holocaust" became a "Half-a-caust" and hasn't yet stopped
shrinking.

A less-known outcome was a second look at World War II and and what it
REALLY cost the "winners".  This aspect is now recognized as an embedded
by-product of the two Great Holocaust Trials of 1985 and 1988.

Below are excerpts from a newsgroup thread sent to me by JB Campbell, one
of my all-time favorite and vastly underrated writers.  Bruce has a way of
cutting through the mire of platitudes about that monstrous war and getting
to the nitty gritty of "What Price Innocence?"

Here's JB Campbell, slightly edited for brevity's sake:

Let's talk about the "benefits of this country" that (a reader) and others
put their lives on the line to buy us - assuming that he is a WWII vet.
What were the benefits from our participation in the Second World War?

Well, we got some pretty big ships. And some pretty fantastic airplanes.
The ships and planes cost a lot to run, of course, but the taxpayers always
take care of that.

What else? Well, our bankers, from whom we borrowed the money for the ships
and planes, became very rich. This is because it didn't actually cost them
anything to lend us credit, but we had to pay them back with money we
worked to earn.

Of course, the war put everyone back to work, making ships and airplanes.
Few people stop to remember that in the Depression, which ended on 7 Dec,
1941, there had been no money to buy anything. The bankers had by then
repossessed many homes and farms and businesses. No one could get credit
because "money was tight."

But once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, money wasn't tight anymore.
There was all the money in world available for ships and airplanes--for
Stalin! And Churchill!

For MacArthur? No, no money for him and the men in the Philippines. The
most MacArthur and Nimitz ever got was 20% of the total, and that was
toward the end.

Anyway, everybody got to work. Our women got to go to work in factories,
making ships and airplanes. They were liberated from the tyranny of staying
at home, and got to mingle with some interesting people.

And we got rationing and shortages, so that Stalin and Churchill and our
wonderful boys could have the very best equipment with which to destroy
European culture and set up Communist dictatorships in Germany, Poland,
Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia.

Our wonderful boys were also used to create Communist dictatorships in
China, Korea and Vietnam. Did you know that Ho Chi Minh was a US
intelligence agent during WWII? He was one of our wonderful boys in OSS!

I guess I haven't really come up with any benefits which our wonderful boys
actually bought us by putting their lives on the line. When you stop to
think about it, what they actually did was serve our masters who wanted the
political setup in Europe and Asia changed. They were expendable gladiators
who killed and got killed.

The fact is that WWII not only ruined Europe and Asia but the United States
as well! The undeclared, no-win wars in Korea and Vietnam were merely
extensions of WWII, with many of the same characters directing the action
on both sides. And just as the Communists were the real victors in WWII, so
they were in Korea and Vietnam.

There must have been some benefits won for us by our wonderful boys,
fighting Germans and Japanese . . . Freedom of speech? Assembly? The right
to keep and bear arms?

How about the "Four Freedoms?" Nope--they were for foreigners, and weren't
worth the paper they were written on. If anything, our duped fighters in
WWII were actually fighting for the downfall of the human race, by making
the world safe for Communism.  What (we) must learn is that it is not
patriotic to fight overseas, because that always means you're being
suckered by bankers and politicians.

If a fellow didn't know the slimy background to Pearl Harbor, which few
did, it was patriotic to fight the Japanese up to the point that they
offered surrender terms, which they did do starting in July, 1942, after
Midway. At that point, Congress should have demanded a peace treaty,
ordered Roosevelt arrested, tried and hanged for treason for allowing 2,200
Americans to be slaughtered just to get his war against Germany started.

Americans have many benefits - or used to. Now, most of the benefits are
those that America gives to foreigners, such as our jobs. This is all
because of our direction of WWII. But the benefits which we have enjoyed
had been provided by patriots who defended the Declaration of Independence
with blood and suffering, and by those hardheads who insisted that there be
a Bill of Rights appended to the Constitution.

Vets, don't keep kidding yourselves that by joining up or being drafted by
Franklin Roosevelt that you did something "for our country." You were
tricked and manipulated by the slimiest con-man in American history to make
the world safe for Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and Ho Chi Minh.

You . . . apparently believe that the destruction of Germany justified the
spread of Communism, the result of which was the slaughter of hundreds of
millions of people in Europe, Russia and Asia. The callousness of people
such as you is breathtaking.

You say that Germany was a "dangerous enemy" and that Japan was "an
overambitious third-world state." Third-World? Africa is Third-World. Japan
built battleships and aircraft carriers. Dangerous Germany never attacked
the US; Japan did, induced as it was by FDR's slimy provocations and his
dangling of American live-bait in Pearl Harbor. It was the same trick that
we pulled when Dean Acheson announced that South Korea was outside the US
defense perimeter. It was the same trick we pulled when April Glaspie, our
female ambassador to Iraq, assured Saddam Hussein that he could re-take
Kuwait.

When America wants a war, it is always instigated by trickery and lies. It
always works. It is the ultimate "achievment of the possible."

Considering that the German military found that crossing the English
Channel with an invasion force (SEALION) was not possible, and considering
that the German air force did not possess a long-range bomber, don't you
think that the idea of a German nuclear bomb being dropped on Washington,
DC is rather hysterical, along the lines of the German army marching up
through Mexico?

The answer to your question, "Would you have preferred a Nazi Reich from
the Urals to the Sahara Desert?" is, yes. American interests, if not US
interests, would have been served by a German victory. "US interests" is a
euphemism for central bank interests, be they designed in London, Paris or
New York.

Instead, what we got was what you, and the "US interests," preferred: a
Communist slaughterhouse from the Elbe all the way across to the Pacific
Ocean. And that is the basic conflict of the Twentieth Century--
underfunded National Socialism struggling against overfunded International
Socialism."  (JB Campbell, 1996)

There is only one thing that this writer left out:  That horrid war created
Israel, displaced the Palestinians and put Israel on a permanent dole, to
be financed from  billions worth of Deutsche Mark from Germany and endless
billions more from the US who prattles endlessly about "our only demcoratic
ally".  (I quote here a recent statistic from the Washington Report on
Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44:  "Total 1996 grants, interest
and loan guarantees for Israel:  $5,505,300.000")

Creating Israel was one of the disgusting but nonetheless real reason that
war was fought at all!

Ernst Zundel, in his 1988 Holocaust Trial, said much the same, all of it
now preserved in the archives and documents preserved in the Canadian
judicial system.  You see why the Leuchter Report is so crucial?  It was
the first forensic document of substance examining the Lie.  It was the
document that justified the question:  "Just WHO is spreading false news
around here?  And to WHOSE BENEFIT?"

Whenever I open a catalog of what seems to be hundreds of small-time
alternative presses, all fussing mightily about the danger of the New World
Order now reaching out its tentacles for what is left of our folk, there is
the Leuchter Report.  Ernst Zundel holds the copyright.  Most people never
bother notifying him that they are reproducing, marketing and selling it.

I said to Ernst the other day:  "You paid some $60,000 to have it compiled
in the first place!  You ought to sue and to make sure you are getting your
share!  It is your property!"


And Ernst:  "That is not how I think!  That is not who I am."

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The next dreadful thing to a war lost is a war won."

(Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington, 1769-1852)



________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/

-- 
Cheers!


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                THE CONSPIRACY TO ERECT AN ELECTRONIC CURTAIN  
                           An Essay by L. R. Beam 


The Internet, perhaps the last truly free means of information exchange
in the Western world, may soon be choked by censorship and governmental
controls. The circumscribing of the Net may cause the death of what has
become the first people-to-people exchange of ideas and information on a
world wide basis. 

The forces behind this effort appear at first glance to be an unlikely
coalition of conspirators, the CIA, some Jewish religious groups, and
various foreign governments. While this unholy alliance for censorship and
control may seem unusual to some, politics makes the bed for these strange
fellows. Indisputably, an international cabal of special interest groups
both within and out of governments are working both openly and secretly to
end the unregulated direct exchange of information between people. At stake
is nothing less then the regaining of information control which the internet
has shattered. Up for grabs is nothing more than the thinking and decision
making abilities of informed men. 

Information has flowed from the top down for most of this century.
Filtering of information by middle men from government, newspapers, radio, and
then television has left most Americans depending upon Paul Harvey
"for the rest of the story." Suddenly, almost without warning, the
Internet mushroomed into popularity, connecting people all over the world
together electronically and thereby threatening the power of those who
disseminate information. If information is power, then the control of
information is more power. The ideas of men are shaped by what they are told.
For those who hope to erect a New World Order upon what they view
as the antiquated ashes of free speech, control of the Internet has
jumped to near top of the list of "things to do." 

Governments and religious groups manipulate and control people by what they
are allowed to know or not know. A decision has been made by the information
brokers
to end unregulated information exchange. Overnight the propaganda begins
as these forces build their case for control and censorship. 

Quickly the nightly news lights up with horror stories of pornography on
the Net. Minutes later the same channel runs four hours of lurid
programming bringing profanity, sex, sodomy and violence into the
homes of viewers who were just shocked about porno on the Net.
Newspapers carrier feature length stories about children being lured
>from  home over the computer telephone line, as if somehow typing a
request to a child for sex over the phone line is more effective than
saying it over the same phone line. The Anti-Defamation League issues a
report saying that bomb plans can be found on the net along with anti-
Jewish opinion. As if the same were not available in every public library in the
United States. 

Politicians in Washington begin to talk about "protecting the children." The
same politicians who's destructive social policies and no win wars have
destroyed more mothers sons than all the pagan empires of the past. Rabbi
Abraham Cooper calls for censorship of politically incorrect ideas in Canada
and asks for the establishment of an "Internet police." A delegation from
the Nazi-hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center in Vienna Austria, which has for
the most part ran out of eighty year old former Nazis to hunt, takes on the
new task of information censors and asks Italian Prime Minister Lamberto
Dini, European Union president to back World Jewish Congress initiatives to
stop those who disagree on the impact and importance of the Holocaust from
using the
Internet. Then in a joint effort of the ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal
Center letters are mailed to Internet service providers in early 1996
urging providers not to carry messages that contain non-complimentary
opinion about Jews, which is quickly labeled as "cyberhate speech." This
is but a glimpse of the public efforts of the information censors to
unleash "info police" on the net. It is clear that those who have previously
served as the middlemen of politically correct information are distraught at
their having been taken out of the loop. 

Meanwhile, sources within the Federal government, who wish to remain
unnamed, reveal that there are considerable behind the scene efforts to
bring the flow of information under government control. In the
labyrinthine bunkers of the CIA in Arlington Virginia, a team of
planners has begun discussion on how to control the net by establishing
Internet node servers throughout the system that will act as a
"strainer" of unwanted electronic information flow (there are
indications this process has begun now). The Army Security Agency (ASA),
which has the worlds most sophisticated signals intelligence and electronic
monitoring capabilities has began setting up clandestine servers to
monitor traffic, catalog, classify, and achieve. 

>From the above sampling of events, it is clear that both government and
pressure groups with sacred cows to defend have determined that
uncontrolled information flow between people is a threat to their
interests. The results of this statist thinking will lead to a "war on
information" similar to the "war on drugs," curtailing free speech and
informed opinion. Like the war on drugs the real objective will not be
to save society but rather to control society. CYBER WARS are breaking out
between the people and government over the flow of information. What
is wanted by these would be Internet thought police is nothing less then
the right of government and religious (in this case Jewish) imprimatur
on the transfer of electronic information: an electron iron curtain. 

Efforts at censorship by religious groups are not new to this continent.
The Spanish Catholic church which saw nothing of value among the
writings of Aztecs and Mayans ordered their books burned in contempt. Like them,
Rabbi Abraham Cooper and the Anti-Defamation League see nothing of value in the
words of those who beg to disagree. Black robed priests yelled the smear
words of the 16th century "Vile heretic!" and labeled non-catholics "pagan
savages." Rabbi Cooper and his religious cohorts of the new inquisition cry
"anti-Semitic" and label those who believe differently "hatemongers." 

The words have changed, but for those shouting them the objective is the
same: eliminate the opposition, the opponent is never answered; he is
discredited. Fear kept many silent who would have otherwise opposed the
Catholic Inquisition. Fear of the rack and straps of being labeled
anti-Semitic will keep many quite today. The call now for censorship by
rabbis is much like the pyres of priests in the fifteenth century it is an
electronic equivalent of book burning.
The zealot's willingness to accept only his personal vision of the world
around him has led mankind down this same pernicious path before.
Intolerance it is clear, is not solely a non- Jewish characteristic. A
new inquisition has begun. This one will seek out the heretics of the
internet for the stake. Each age it seems, has it's Torquemada. 

A warning of what is to come: as the Federal government, Anti-Defamation
League, and the Central Intelligence Agency seek to squelch or control
the net, look for senseless acts of random electronic violence. These
acts of subterfuge will be committed by computer nerds at CIA and the ADL or
their agent provocateurs and will appear to have been perpetrated by
"white racists," "neo-nazis," "patriots," "extremist anti-government
radicals," "hackers," or other identifiable dissidents of the right and left.


The purpose of these incidents will be similar to those of a drive
by shooting--to terrorize people into submission. In this case consent is
wanted for censorship rather than drug turf but the principal is the
same: a political/religious gang wants control. Understand that
establishment media, as the propaganda arm of the government, will on
cue make the call for censorship of the net. Those who have the
resources to employ the best politicians money can buy also own
newspapers, radio and television networks, for all serve their design,
that design being the control of people through the filtering of
information and repressive laws. 

After investing billions of dollars in media/information empires and
politicians, all geared to work in tangent keeping people under control,
these modern day equivalents of the bookburners of former ages will not
willingly let unfettered information exchange hinder their efforts. With at
least four federal agencies (FBI,CIA, FINCEN, and ASA) investing hundreds of
millions in advanced computer systems designed solely to monitor and track
people technological warfare between the people and government will be a
major component of the rest
of this century and perhaps longer. 

The new head of the CIA, John Deutsch, was hand picked by Bill Clinton and
his backers to carry forward plans for a technological police state to rest
upon the typical shoulders of bullet proof vests, black boots, and front
doors shattering under their assault. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Edward G.
Lansdale, CIA operative par excellence, personally recruited the new CIA
director for his first Government job in the early 1960's at just 22.
Deutsch became one of Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara's ('we never
intended to win in Viet Nam') whiz kids in the Pentagon who would help to
design the Vietnam War; a slaughterhouse for other kids not so fortunate as
to have political connections. 

Deutsch has held political posts under Democratic administrations and
advisory or academic positions during Republican administrations. Deutsch became
part of the elite permanent government of the United States that is
accountable to no one, and immune to the oversight process. The shell
game of elections and political parties have no effect on their
careers. This select cadre move in and out of various Federal agencies
and advisory positions, always on the public dole, never elected,
spending their entire lives trying to control the affairs of others.

Much like the secret CIA Air Base (Area 51) at Groom Lake in
southeastern Nevada, there is an aureole of secrecy surrounding their
lives and functions. Deutsch's grandfather was a diamond merchant who
ran the Zionist Federation of Belgium and he is therefore expected to
work closely with the ADL and other pro-censorship groups. President
Clinton appointed Deutsch as Director Central Intelligence in May of
1995 at the moment when the bombing of the Federal kindergarten in
Oklahoma had allowed his Administration to launch a maximum
political/propaganda counter-offensive against the rapidly growing
discontent with, and mistrust of the federal government. Black smoke,
mutilated bodies, dying children, crying distraught mothers, created
exactly the atmosphere the government needed to turn things around. John
Deutsch is the man in charge of that effort for the government. 

Censorship is a word of many meanings. In a narrow sense it of course may
refer to suppression of information, or ideas. In a broader sense
however, it is the rape of the human mind: Taking away that which is
needed to make fair, informed opinions about this life. The mental
rapist of today is no different in his goals than the back ally pervert who by
force assaults a defenseless woman, taking from someone else that which he has
no right to. Both acts are the works of the most contemptible sorts of
humankind, desperate men, fearful of the light of day. What is being called
for by the online information censors is the equivalent to Bosnian ethnic
cleansing' a sort of information cleansing of the Internet. 

It seems ironic to many that the ADL which has made innumerable calls for
"diversity" would spearhead these efforts at censorship. What is being
called for by them, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and Rabbi Cooper is the
equivalent to Bosnian ethnic cleansing' a sort of information cleansing
of the internet. Perhaps a new organizational motto of "Many Cultures, One
Opinion" would be more in line with true ADL objectives. It is not
just a little bit odd that the same people who fear firearms in the hands of
the people fear information in the minds of people. The ADL
supported the recent government ban on certain types of firearms just as
it supports government action to censor the net. As firearms laws only
disarm honest citizens who obey the laws, information bans only effect
people who desire to think for themselves. One pundit has already
quipped that "I'll give up my information when they pry my cold dead fingers
>from  the keyboard." 

In closing the author would like to make two additional things clear.
First, there are Jews who oppose censorship although to this point their
voice is but a whisper compared to the intolerance of the Anti- Defamation
League and Rabbi Cooper. Second, that writing about Jewish religious
leaders and government spymasters operating in a collusive effort to
erect an electron iron curtain to restrict freedom of speech and
information does not make one anti-Semitic or anti-government. The truth
is anti-Semitic. The government is erecting a police state. The author
opposes both oppressive religious groups and repressive government. If
speaking the truth and opposing tyranny makes one anti-Semitic and
anti-government, then I am both... 
_______________________________________________________


     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org

-- 
Cheers!


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Foundation of Europe
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Dear Racial Comrades:

        I told you, you'd be hearing quite a bit about the five principles
listed below. Here they are again. They will be posted and repeated at
intervals until the message that they convey has sunk in, until the ideas
they embody have become part of the folkways of our Movement, and until we
as a body of committed people begin to demand that our leadership come up to
these standards.

        When you hear people badmouthing me personally, when you hear people
badmouthing the National Socialist White People's Party, when you hear
people trying to spread mistrust and suspicion about me and the wonderful,
brave and noble handful of people who are keeping the Party going and making
sure that the dream of George Lincoln Rockwell lives on---read these five
principles listed below again.

        What you read below is why I and my comrades are
badmouthed---because there are certain people involved in our cause for the
most shameful and base of motivations, and to these people the principles I
outline below are anathema. They live in fear that someday you, the people
who make it all possible, may hold them to these standards. 

        Always remember that---when you hear someone putting the bad-mouth
on Winston Smith, the following is what they are really afraid of: 



        THE FIVE PRINCIPLES: BASIC STANDARDS OF ARYAN RACIAL LEADERSHIP 

        PRINCIPLE ONE: The lifestyle and personal behavior of the Aryan
racial leader shall in every way reflect the racial values he claims to
serve. The Aryan racial leader shall conduct himself in public and in
private with dignity, courtesy, modesty, and the highest standards of
character and personal integrity. He shall not bring the Aryan racial
struggle into disrepute through word or deed. 

        PRINCIPLE TWO: The Aryan racial leader shall earn his own living
>from  outside employment as long as the tactical situation permits; after
that he shall take from donated funds only the minimum amount necessary to
keep him functional in society and as a leader.

        PRINCIPLE THREE: The Aryan leader will display the highest degree of
personal courage. He shall not demand of others any act involving risks
which he does not himself incur.

        PRINCIPLE FOUR: Names, addresses, employment information, and
other private information involving White racial nationalists, whether
members of a specific leader's organization or not, are to be kept utterly
inviolate. Under no circumstances whatsoever is such information voluntarily
to be transmitted to anyone without the permission of the person involved. 

        PRINCIPLE FIVE: The Aryan racial leader will not knowingly assist
ZOG or any of its agencies. The Aryan racial leader specifically shall not
use the law of ZOG against any other White person involved in the racial
resistance movement, either through the use of the police to harass people,
or in the form of nuisance lawsuits.

 
        NEXT TIME YOU HEAR THE BAD-MOUTH BEING LAID ON WINSTON SMITH OR THE
NSWPP, YOU MIGHT TAKE A LOOK AT WHO'S DOING THE BAD-MOUTHING AND SEE HOW
THEY SHAPE UP UNDER THE FIVE PRINCIPLES.


     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org

-- 
Cheers!


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From varange@crl.com Fri Dec 13 14:23:02 PST 1996
Article: 92231 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Foundation of Asia
Date: 12 Dec 1996 18:18:50 -0800
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Our friends and readers should know that ever since December 3,
we have had inordinate problems getting the ZGrams out - mostly
to Europe, but also to some readers here on our continent.  And
there are other indications that are of the same pattern.  I am
writing and shipping the ZGrams as ever - if you don't get them,
check at the Zundelsite.

As part of our broadening front to fight for truth and freedom to
have our say our way, I am preparing a subsection on our website
called "Human Rights - Human Wrongs".  It will deal with the
actions or inactions by institutions, many of them of global
reach and influence such as the United Nations and many other
Human Rights organizations, which parade under the guise of
"Human Rights" yet are mere instruments for the Dark Forces to
pass and enforce so-called "hate laws"  that often are used by
Jewish interests to shield them from criticism for their
repressive lobbying and censorship activities.

Below is a shortened version of Ernst Zundel's introductory
editorial to this aspect of our struggle:

"These past few weeks, while preparing and sending out press
releases and doing the resultant interviews, I have frequently
quoted Article 19 and other Articles of the UN Universal
Declaration of Human Rights.  This, in turn, has caused a flood
of letters, faxes, e-mail and phone calls in my direction.  Don't
I know, my friends and advisors point out, that the United
Nations organizations, of all places, are teeming with Marxists,
Socialists, One-Worlders - and, yes! - many of them Jews?  I, a
German - challenging the Holocaust?  Why do I want to waste my
time appealing to such organizations under these circumstances?

Well, it is really quite simple.

They claim a lofty purpose - the protection of human dignity.  I
am a human being.  I qualify.  I, too, seek dignity.  Like all
the other six billion-plus human bipeds, I am entitled to invoke
their documents' safeguards and shields - like every American can
and does invoke the protection of the US Constitution and the
Bill of Rights.

I will now test if the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
applies to all people equally - including Ernst Zundel, the
German.  Even though some of my legal advisors get exasperated
when I keep bringing up all those UN Institutions and Protective
Conventions, Declarations, Treaties etc., and even though they
think that I have lost touch with reality, I intend to find out
how serious these people are and how serious they take these
documents.  I intend to find out how far the UN will go, and how
strongly they will defend the  dignity of every human being on
this planet.

I am therefore taking the fight for my own rights and, by
extension, my own ethnic group's rights, beyond the narrow and
often bigoted frontiers of the country where I was born.  I am
taking it beyond the country of my choice, Canada, where I have
lived and worked for 38 years, and where I have peacefully
engaged in legal and democratic advocacy for the human rights for
Germans.

Will I succeed?  Well, we will see.

What are my chances if Maxwell Yalden, the Chairman of the
National Canadian Human Rights Commission, recently appointed as
a United Nations Advisor, is going to use this powerful Canadian
commission to deprive me of the very human rights he was
appointed to protect and uphold - trampling Article 19 of the UN
Declaration of Rights in the process? Will he advise that body
about human rights violations brought against me - by the CHRC?

Time will tell.

I could appeal to the Prime Minister of Canada, you say.  Ah, but
he has already told his Jewish election campaign financiers and
supporters publicly that '. . . people like {Ernst Zundel} are
not welcome in Canada.' (He was talking about 'Holocaust
Deniers', which an eager lapdog press immediately and nationwide
interpreted as "Ernst Zundel").

After that statement I asked myself what kind of step Mr.
Chretien intended to take to make me unwelcome in Canada.  I
didn't have to wait very long.  One morning I simply woke up and
found out that I had been declared a 'security threat to Canada .
. .' by the Chretien Government's civilian spy agency - with
devastating implications for my future.

Now from a legal point of view, it's getting interesting.

The United Nations insist that you can only be called a 'security
threat' if you threaten the existence of an entire state.  I had
done no such thing.  I had merely exercised my democratic rights
of free expression.  Did my historical revisionism and Holocaust
skepticism threaten the entire state of Canada?  Not likely.

In Canada, where I reside, the Bloc Quebecois, the
French-Canadian Separatists, have threatened the existence of the
Canadian state in that they want to split it up.  They have
agitated in public, in print, on television and radio to tear
Canada asunder.  They have  not been called or treated as a
security threat, yet they had millions of people vote for
separation - which means the destruction of Canada as a state.
I, a lone individual, however, with not a speck of wrong-doing on
my record except false charges made by politically motivated
opponents and the resultant malicious prosecution for nine years
in Canadian courts, am now declared a 'security threat'?

What my opponents are doing is morally wrong.  It is legally
wrong.  It is contrary to the very International Law both
countries, Germany and Canada, have sworn to uphold by being
signatories to a host of treaties that were designed to have the
force of law.  These treaties actually supersede national law;
they were not promulgated to just look good on paper.

I intend to test if these treaties to see if they have life - if
they have veins and arteries through which genuine decency flows.
Remember I won't be alone.  I will be watched.  I have a name
recognized the world over, thanks to the persecution I have
already suffered which gave me friends in high places near and
far.  I have already cut my teeth on granite - in the German and
Canadian courts.

Consider the Zundelsite in California the door of the Wittenberg
Cathedral of Luther's time on which one of today's Human Rights
story will be hammered for all the world to see, for it was
Luther, who made these words immortal:  "I am more afraid of my
own heart than of the Pope and all his cardinals.  I stand here.
I cannot do anything else.  So help me God!"

I stood in front of that venerable, old Wittenberg church in
1990, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, being filmed by a Danish
TV crew and photographed by French photographers, displaying the
Leuchter Report.

I stood in 1968 at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, and with my
father's soldier boots I kicked against that wall and told
myself, as the courageous reformer did five hundred years ago:
"The murdering and thieving rabble will not stop me!"

There I stood - in this state whose people and destiny were
connected so disastrously with Germany's fate.  And there I made
the vow to defend with all I had to give the interests of the
German people.

My folk.  Regardless against whom.  Or where.

That I would lift the curse of the Six Million Swindle.

Ernst Zundel

Thought for the Day:

"It truly does seem quite unimaginable that humanity voluntarily
surrenders itself to a deception under which it suffers as under
a lash."

(Otto Wagener in "Memoirs of a Confidant)

________ ________ ________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html

-- 
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From varange@crl.com,ainsley@wharton.upenn.edu Fri Dec 13 14:23:04 PST 1996
Article: 92236 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Founding of Classical Asia
Date: 12 Dec 1996 20:20:24 -0800
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> Just because Beijing is building up militarily does not mean it aims for
> wants war. I think China wants to be a world power, and European and
> American history shows that building up military is what world powers
> are supposed to do.

I'm for disarmamment of the USA because our "leaders" are too
disloyal to be trusted.

Besides, the European experience shows that military buildups
encourage war!

> National Defense;-
> The bombardment and invasion of small countries by the United States.
> The US, of course, is the only nation entitled to such defense. If the
> inhabitants of other countries resist the US Government, they are guilty
> of internal aggression; and if the governments of other countries
> practice US style national defense, they are guilty of naked aggression.
> 
>                                         - Robert Tefton

?!??  Who's Tefton?  No American patriots think in that fashion.

If your quoting somone from the days of Teddy Roosevelt, then
it's irrelevent.  Roosevelt invaded many countries for the sake
of cheap labor to feed to international capital, never a goal for
true patriots.

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From varange@crl.com Fri Dec 13 14:48:21 PST 1996
Article: 522250 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Foundation of Europe
Date: 12 Dec 1996 15:50:30 -0800
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        Dear Comrades: Here's another in our occasional series of racial
poesy. Homeric epic this stuff ain't, but you'd be surprised how some of
this stuff hangs on. I have seen several versions of the following down the
years, both British and American, and as I recall one Canadian version as well:


                        I COME TO AMERIBUCK$

        I come to visit, treated regal,
        Think I stay as an illegal.
        Cross the border poor and broke,
        Take the bus, see Customs folks.
        Nice man treat me good in there,
        Say I need to see Welfare.
        Welfare say, "Come down for money",
        Me run down there as fast as bunny.
        Welfare checks they make me wealthy,
        Medicare it make me healthy.
        By and by get plenty money,
        Thanks to gringo working dummy.
        Write to friends in Mexico,
        Tell them this is where to go.
        They come in bus and Chevy trucks,
        We buy big house with welfare bucks.
        They all come, we live together,
        All our checks combined is better.
        Fourteen families move in,
        Neighbors' patience wearing thin.
        Finally gringo move away,
        I buy house cheap, and then I say,
        "Hey muchachos, house to rent!"
        In back yard I put up tent.
        Send for family, they are trash
        But they draw more welfare cash.
        Everything is mucho good.
        Soon we own the neighborhood.
        We have job, we call it "breeding",
        Welfare pay for baby feeding.
        Kids need dentist? Wife need pills?
        We get it free, we got no bills.
        Gringos crazy, work all year,
        Just to keep the welfare here.
        America is real good place,
        Way to good for white-skinned race.
        They no like it, they can go.
        Plenty room in Mexico!

**********************************************************************

        [N.B. - In one of the bitterest ironies of our whole insane national
situation, many elderly White retirees forced to live on Social Security or
fixed incomes are doing just that---they are moving to Mexico, some even
illegally, because they cannot afford to live in the country where they were
born and raised, the country they worked all their lives for and in some
cases murdered Germans for.]

        I would like to ask any of our British correspondents who have the
words handy to the old Blackshirt song "Finkelstein" to pass them on for
republication. Also, does ANYONE out there know the words to one of the old
Rockwell comic "hate songs" called "Buchenwald, Mein Buchenwald?" I only
heard it once, in the old Falls Church barracks, sung by Doug Kaye. The one
that begins "Buchenwald, Mein Buchenwald, it is truly wunderbar..." That's
all I can rememember. - WS


       


     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org

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From varange@crl.com,a0003517@airmail.net Fri Dec 13 15:44:24 PST 1996
Article: 48854 of misc.activism.militia
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Subject: : U. S. Spikes Population in South America
Date: 12 Dec 1996 15:15:03 -0800
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>                          BRAZIL LAUNCHES INQUIRY INTO
>                           U.S. POPULATION ACTIVITIES
>                                        
> The charge: millions sterilised
> to meet U.S. political objectives
>    
>    A U.S.-sponsored program that resulted in the sterilisation of
> nearly
>    half of Brazil's women has prompted a formal congressional inquiry,

Utter lies.  The foreign policy of the USA encourages high birth
rates in the Third World and the other Western nations do too.

The West has been breeding Third Worlders like rabbits for
centuries and continues to do so.

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From varange@crl.com,shamrockla@earthlink.net Fri Dec 13 15:44:25 PST 1996
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Subject: Race and the Militia
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> doesn't exclude the mere bigot or
> > the mere crackpot. Mr. Adams excludes members of the Idenitity movement from
> > his militia. Other militias don't.
> 
> What other militias?  Other than than the article 10 militia?  Any group 
> can include and exclude those of their choosing, and call themselves 
> whatever they like.  But the unorganized citizen militia is made up of 
> citizens, regardless of race, creed, or color.  Period.

According to the pictures in Morris Dees book Gathering Storm all
militia members are white.

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From varange@crl.com,dr.bedggood@auckland.ac.nz Sat Dec 14 08:55:38 PST 1996
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> > What were the benefits from our participation in the Second World War?
> > Well, we got some pretty big ships.  And some pretty fantastic airplanes.
> > The ships and planes cost a lot to run, of course, but the taxpayers
> > always take care of that.
> > 
> > What else?  Well, our bankers, from whom we borrowed the money for the
> > ships and planes, became very rich.  

War profiteers should have been tried for treason and their
assets expropriated.

A lot of factory laborers thought the Army should nationalize the
industries because of the incompetence and disloyalty of
business.  (#Ref: Nov 1942 Fortune, "What's Itching Labor?")

> > The fact is that WWII not only ruined Europe and Asia but the United
> > States as well!  The undeclared, no-win wars in Korea and Vietnam were
> > merely extensions of WWII, with many of the same characters directing the
> > action on both sides.  And just as the Communists were the real victors
> > in WWII, 
> 
> Come again? USA became by far the most powerful nation in the world 
> during WWII. 

And sacrificed that power to the whims of the Council of Foreign
Relations, Business Roundtable, etc., all hotbeds of
disloyalty.

> > What Mr. Snyder and the rest of our misguided boys must learn is that it
> > is not patriotic to fight overseas, because that always means you're
> > being suckered by bankers and politicians.  I fought overseas but I
> > didn't pretend that it was for anything but killing Communists.  It is
> > only "patriotic" to fight invaders or domestic tyrants here at home.

Damn right!  Our "leaders" in the Pentagon operate a playpen of
treason.

> > And, it is patriotic for foreigners to fight our wonderful boys when they
> > invade a foreign country.

What was the possible gain of a "victory" in the Vietnam war?
Yet another supply of cheap labor?  Yet another country to export
our capital to?  To protect the "right" of Chinese expatriates to
bleed South Vietnam dry through exploitation?

> > If a fellow didn't know the slimy background to Pearl Harbor, which few
> > did, it was patriotic to fight the Japanese up to the point that they
> > offered surrender terms, which they did do starting in July, 1942, after
> > Midway.  At that point, Congress should have demanded a peace treaty,
> > ordered Roosevelt arrested, tried and hanged for treason for allowing
> > 2,200 Americans to be slaughtered just to get his war against Germany
> > started.

Why should we have preferred a victory of Mao over Tojo?

I doubt Roosevelt had any conscious favoritism to Stalin or Mao,
but he was certainly an incompetent administrator and undoubtably
a stooge.

By the way, the death sentence is wrong, especially in crimes
against the nation.  If the Rosenbergs, etc., were instead given
life sentences they would still be available for the
investigation into who were *really* backing them as they were
undoubtably mere patsies.  By executing the Rosenbergs the actual
conspirators were protected.

> > Americans have many benefits, or used to.  Now, most of the benefits are
> > those that America gives to foreigners, such as our jobs.  This is all
> > because of our direction of WWII.  But the benefits which we have enjoyed
> > had been provided by patriots who defended the Declaration of
> > Independence with blood and suffering, and by those hardheads who
> > insisted that there be a Bill of Rights appended to the Constitution.

All of "our" wars since 1905 stink.

> > Vets, don't keep kidding yourselves that by joining up or being drafted
> > by Franklin Roosevelt that you did something "for our country."  You were
> > tricked and manipulated by the slimiest con-man in American history to
> > make the world safe for Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and Ho Chi Minh.

Roosevelt was a mere stooge, a powerless man in the tight grip of
those who prefer America to be under the heel of foriegn powers.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com,juggler@interlog.com Tue Dec 17 11:30:02 PST 1996
Article: 49185 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Race and the Militia
Date: 16 Dec 1996 16:08:49 -0800
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> Let me make sure I understand this correctly, Morris Dees has
> made 63 million through his work with SPLC?
> Or Morris Dees who has a personal worth of $63 million works
> for the SPLC at a salary of $xxxxx?

The way I understand it, the Southern Poverty Law Center is
sitting on a fortune of $120,000,000 in mutual fund investments,
all the while appealing to the dupes for more funds.

Dees himself was a millionaire when he started the SPLC.

> >>  According to the pictures in Morris Dees book Gathering Storm all
> >>  militia members are white.
> >
> >As is Morris Dees, a degenerate who has made a living (personal
> >worth $63,000,000) off of stirring up the fears and hatreds of others
> >using lies, inventions, and extravagant exaggerations to line his 
> >pockets and to subvert the Constitution of the United States. He is
> >nothing more an semi-animated pond scum.

He also doesn't put SPLC on the net; he's afraid of it!

Go to the library and read some issues of Klanwatch and Klanwatch
Intelligence Report; then you'll understand why he doesn't put it
on the net!

By the way, from the SPLC periodicals themselves, it's clear that
little of the Center is involved in efforts to actually help the
poor; their work is dedicated to stir up paranoia of and among
the poor.  As they have been constantly repeating for years, they
won settlements in the 1970's for cotton workers who got cotten
lung, permanent lung damage; they recently won a suit in Harlan
County, forcing mining companies to end their cheating on taxes,
and so giving the County a substantial increase of revenue.

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From varange@crl.com,Filip.Balyu@cs.kuleuven.ac.be Wed Dec 18 08:57:04 PST 1996
Article: 100561 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,sci.philosophy.meta,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Good vs. Evil
Date: 17 Dec 1996 19:41:48 -0800
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> >         Since Good and Evil are polar opposits, no good can come from
> > evil.
> > 
> >         So, being the sort that thrives on debate, I argued that this
> > logic was faulty.  Inevitably, the proponents of " good can't spawn
> > evil" turned to Hitler as an example (or proof) of thier logic.

If Hitler never existed, would anti-semitism be more or would it
be less popular than it is now?

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From varange@crl.com,Klaas.Ensing@ensing.idn.nl Wed Dec 18 10:30:43 PST 1996
Article: 524997 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.misc,talk.atheism,soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Global Citizens Are Incapable Of Resistance
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> During WW2, the Nazis banned guns in occupied countries, like The Netherlands.
> But before WW2, our army was mobilized. So most (young) men were armed.
> However the Germans started to bomb our cities from earoplanes. So we
> surrendered, because we could not prefent this. No handgun changed this
> situation. 
> Most extreme pro's and extreme contra's overestimate the power of a handgun in
> a realistic (always terrible) modern war.

The Dutch leadership was defeated.  Why does that mean that the
Dutch people must surrender too?  If there was a strong patriotic
conscousness in the Netherlands at the time, the nation would
have been ungovernable.  Since Globalist thinking had already
penetrated the culture of the Netherlands for a long time, the
people didn't resist after the "leadership" capitulated.

The epoch of today is far worse; the national consciousness is so
weak throughout Europe, it'd be a piece of cake for a strong
nation like China to swallow Europe whole.

Patriotism, like leadership, is more valuable than gold, and
something the "leaders" of Western countries seem to fear like
the plague.

Europe rests on economic power alone; why *shouldn't* Europe be
invaded and annexed by a foreign power, when the people of Europe
don't even seem to want the continued existence of their own
nations!

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From varange@crl.com,jonjon@euronet.nl Thu Dec 19 06:42:24 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.misc,talk.atheism,soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Global Citizens Are Incapable Of Resistance
Date: 18 Dec 1996 15:28:40 -0800
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> >The Dutch leadership was defeated.  Why does that mean that the
> >Dutch people must surrender too?  If there was a strong patriotic
> >conscousness in the Netherlands at the time, the nation would
> >have been ungovernable.  Since Globalist thinking had already
> >penetrated the culture of the Netherlands for a long time, the
> >people didn't resist after the "leadership" capitulated.
> 
>  After the bombardment of Rotterdam  the Netherlands, *as a country*
> surrendered.

No, their "leadership" surrendered.  Adolf Hitler knew that
Netherlanders followed their leaders, and the "leaders" being
weak, that it was an easy country to invade.

> Because the government  didn't want anymore casualties.  There was no
> other choice.   After that Amsterdam was the target or Utrecht. 
> When the Govnernment surrenders officially, the army surrenders.
> Then it's to the partisans.  Holland is not comparibable to say,
> France or Russia,  with large woods and hiding places....etc.
> The dutch did the best they could.

Hell, no!  The spirit of capitulation infected the masses,
weakening the Dutch capability to resist.

> >The epoch of today is far worse; the national consciousness is so
> >weak throughout Europe, it'd be a piece of cake for a strong
> >nation like China to swallow Europe whole.
> 
> Why would China want to swallow Europe, for fuck sake?

Why not?  China is poor and strong, Europe is rich and weak.  The
Mongol Hordes and the Vikings were poor but strong and picked
their targets who were rich and weak.  Common sense!

> >Patriotism, like leadership, is more valuable than gold, and
> >something the "leaders" of Western countries seem to fear like
> >the plague.
> 
> Where does this posting originate from? It's sick.

What's sick is the Dutch worship of gold by their "leaders." That
gold will be taken away from the Dutch rich, whether by a foreign
power, or, preferably, the Dutch masses.

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From varange@crl.com Thu Dec 19 07:03:49 PST 1996
Article: 119864 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Eskimo.com -- Another Rogue Site
Date: 18 Dec 1996 20:35:25 -0800
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% finger -m postmaster@eskimo.com

[eskimo.com] 
	
	Our apologies, user at crl13.crl.com.

	Finger services are only available to sites running an RFC 931 or
RFC 1413 compliant Ident daemon.  For your convenience, ident source code is
available via anonymous ftp to ftp.eskimo.com in the /security directory, or at
many large archive sites on the Internet.


As it states on RFC1413 ident is *not* to be used for security
purposes and gives the reasons why.

Eskimo.com is run by idiots.

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From varange@crl.com Fri Dec 20 07:30:26 PST 1996
Article: 92666 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.german,soc.history,talk.politics.european-union
Subject: Dutch Police cooperate with German Fascists
Date: 19 Dec 1996 16:04:09 -0800
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                        CROSS-BORDER INTERNET RAID

From: tank 
Subject: Radikal: Raid in the Netherlands

PRESS-DECLARATION  14-12-96
After the German authorities tried to force their censorship on
people's thoughts and writings worldwide on the Internet, Germany
now tries to prosecute a person who lives in the Netherlands for
the making of the left-wing newspaper Radikal.

In the morning of the 11th of December there was a houseraid in
the village of Vaals (The Netherlands). In the raid ten local
police-officers, a high officer from the Maastricht-court, two
LKA (Landes Kriminal Ambt) German officers and two BKA (Bundes
Kriminal Ambt) German officers took place.

The 16 German and Dutch officers forced themselves into the house
with the help of a lock specialist. The only person at home
during the raid only noticed it after some time when the room
next to her was already being searched. The German and Dutch
police refused to explain the reason for this raid. German
authorities referred to the Dutch ones for explanations and the
other way around. It was only after insisting that they explained
the search warrant came from the German authorities in Karlsruhe.
During the two hour raid two personal computers, floppy-discs,
foto's, a pamphlet and some Radikal stickers were seized.

During this whole operation it was not clear against who or what
this action was aimed and why this house was searched. It only
became clear after the raid when another person came home from
his work and phoned his mother in Aachen (Germany). At his
mothers house there was also a house raid going on, nothing was
taken there.

At this house-raid six LKA officers took part and in a paper they
declaired to have reasons for this raid because of evidence found
in the raid in Vaals. "During the raid at the suspect's house
evidence was found (...) that show the suspect (...) is using the
house of his mother as well". This evidence consisted of his
mother's car papers.

The declaration paper alsow showed the purpose of the raid: " The
search for Radikal publications, subscribers lists and financial
information".  The suspect is being charged with the making and
distributing of the left wing newspaper Radikal. A newspaper that
is forbidden only in Germany .

The supposed involvement with a political magazine, forbidden in
Germany, apparently is enough for the Dutch authorities to work
for the German juridical apparatus. This means that the German
idea of law and order concerning magazines leads to the joint
persecution of a Spanish citizen living in the Netherlands.
Although the magazine is entirely legal in the Netherlands.

The dimension of the German-Dutch cooperation within the
framework of the new "European Security Policy" is shown here in
a very clear way. It shows that an attempt is made to completely
redefine the persecution, across all borders, of politically
unwanted people.

Solidaritygroup Political Prisoners
P/o box 3762
1001 AN Amsterdam
The Nertherlands


		


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From varange@crl.com,ap241@columbia.edu Fri Dec 20 07:31:34 PST 1996
Article: 101084 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Kosher Alcoholic Drinks
Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:05:07 -0800
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> > What items are mixed in alcoholic drinks that make them not kosher. I
> > read, with reference to the new German Kosher Beer, that there might
> > be animal items in beer. I've never seen this in my beer. But maybe I
> > don't recognize the terms in the tiny print. Same question for wine
> > and liquor.

There are the rat turds which inevitably gets into the grain when
beer is processed.  It's similar with wine and liquor.

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From varange@crl.com,74552.1122@CompuServe.COM Fri Dec 20 07:31:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: UJA
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> Hello all. I'm a journalist with the Jerusalem Report, an Israeli 
> news magazine. I'm currently working on an article about the 
> United jewish Appeal. I'm looking for the opinions of random 
> American Jews thereon; I'd love to hear from anyone with 
> somethign to say, either by e-mail or by phone at 718/622 5407. 
> Specifically:
> 1. Do you give to the UJA's annual campaign? Why or why not?

No.

> 2. What's your impression of the UJA- a dynamic, efficient 
> organization? A creaky, antiquated, corrupt bureaucracy? Or what?

Capitalists in sheep's clothing.

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From varange@crl.com,cfaatz@teleport.com Fri Dec 20 07:31:36 PST 1996
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.mexican.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: The Old America?
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> : I just saw a t.v. biography of Pres. Teddy Roosevelt

Did it mention that Jews were prominent in the Rough Riders?

It could be pointed out that the African American officer in the
movie Walker was in reality a Jew who helped invade Nicaragua in
the 1850's, just in case you decide to bring up that example.

> : a _numerical_ reality of the way America's econony was structured
> : at the time of the trusts, when a handful of Learned White
> : Christian-born men ruled America.

> Well put, friend. IMO, it's still the same problem, for the most part--
> the rich are in control (very much so), they're mostly "white Christian-
> born men," and it's *they* who are smashing the labor movement, destroying
> the environment, signing on to NAFTA and GATT, continuing the
> misappropriation of funds for a bloated military in the post-Cold War
> world, and continuing the movement of empire that's eviscerated whatever
> was left of the Old Republic.

The Jewish rich are no better.

> What we *really* need is a "new progressivism" a la Teddy, or La Follette,

Teddy Roosevelt with his invasion and imperializing all those
little countries?

> etc., not to mention a revitalized labor movement with clear goals and an
> idea of which side of the barricades they stand on!
> 
> Jews have nothing to do with it. Blacks have nothing to do with it.
> They're victimized as much as anyone on this victims-only ng. The point
> is that those who rule the land are able to play the race card so well,
> and split any significant dissent.

Picking sides on "who are the better rich people: Jews or
Christians," coudn't possibly be progressive.  Real socialists
don't, but judge the rich on their actions.  The only good rich
people are those who are effectively being a traitor to their
class; there are none.  Check the 1996 Forbes 400 for
verification; they are all scum.

Yet, colored fascists continue to insist that "their" rich are
better than the white rich; they even consider that progressive!

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From varange@crl.com,zsero@mail.idt.net Fri Dec 20 07:31:37 PST 1996
Article: 101172 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: tzedaka
Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:01:39 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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> I've repeatedly posted my opinion that the point of tzedaka is
> the result, that people are helped, Torah learned, shuls maintained,
> etc., and therefore that the main POV from which the effectiveness 
> of someone's tzedaka should be judged is that of the receiver, not
> that of the giver.  

The Weaver's sang a great version.  It's on the Weaver's Almanac,
I think.

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From varange@crl.com,tavish@phoenix.net@phoenix.net Fri Dec 20 07:31:38 PST 1996
Article: 101182 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Nazis interested in the Talmud
Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:31:31 -0800
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>                            I now have some extracts from the Talmud and
> I have the technology to scan them and post them as JPEG graphic image
> files. Must I do this?

Yes.

Also make an OCR version for the graphics impaired.

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From varange@crl.com,anton0@tezcat.com Fri Dec 20 07:31:38 PST 1996
Article: 101259 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Marie Curie an anti-semite?
Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:10:15 -0800
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> > : Does anyone know if Marie Curie, the X-ray scientist, was
> > : an anti-semite?

She was a Jewish scientist under the hire of the Nazis.

> > Why does it matter? Do you think X-ray machines are designed to do bad
> > things to Jews?

And why did you think Jews have such a low birth rate?

You don't think the evil feeling you get when visiting the local
dentist is irrational, do you?

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From varange@crl.com,sas@freespeech.com Fri Dec 20 07:34:48 PST 1996
Article: 526087 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.law-enforcement,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Immoral Politicians
Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:45:03 -0800
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> -->|  It's when a politician has an agenda which includes BOTH moralistic 
> -->|  mandates and money-making that I become extremely worried... and angry.
> 
> You should say, "It's when a politician has a money-making agenda that is hidden
> behind a moralistic facade that I become extremely worried... and angry."

We should be saying "It's when the politician has a money-making
agenda that I become extremely worried... and angry."

Making money off morality is immoral, so there's no need for
redundancy.

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From varange@crl.com,ahabiz@aol.com Fri Dec 20 07:42:31 PST 1996
Article: 49468 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Socialists disguised as Liberals
Date: 19 Dec 1996 14:14:32 -0800
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We socialists have the problem of liberals disguised as
socialists.

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From varange@crl.com,ShamrockLA@news-c1.gnn.com Fri Dec 20 17:15:05 PST 1996
Article: 49525 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Purge The Feds
Date: 20 Dec 1996 15:15:37 -0800
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> >Oh, so now the feds solve every missing persons case that comes
> > up?  What planet are you on?  Only if you're connected can you 
> >actually get something useful from these LEAs.  Don't kid yourself 
> >David.  If you woke up tomorrow morning and I wasn't there, the 
> >ATF, FBI, or US Marshalls wouldn't give a flying rat's ass.
> 
> 	The point is, if we disband all of the federal forces, who 
> will chase the bad-guys across state and jurisdicional lines? Will 

Who's doing it now?

> you create a NEW force of cops who can do the job? If so, what's 
> the difference? ( Besides the fact that YOU will be in charge... 
> that would change everything, wouldn't it..)If not, do we just let 
> them go?
> 	The feds have thier place in today's society.... perhaps they 
> should be curbed a bit, but they do fill a vital function.

The feds need to be purged.  Few of those hired under the Deustch
and Freeh commissions are qualified for the job; some even belong
in prison.

In any case, government records must be more open than they are
now; the vaults of classified information must be drastically
reduced.  The feds can prove their worthiness by *proving* it,
requiring an open-government policy to record keeping.

Until then, opposition to the feds as a whole is a smart move.

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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec 21 12:11:28 PST 1996
Article: 526408 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.misc,rec.arts.disney.misc
Subject: Boycott Disney + The Effects Of Free Trade
Date: 20 Dec 1996 17:09:18 -0800
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**The real Disney world - it's like hell in Haiti**

(Reprinted from the December 21, 1996 issue of the People's 
Weekly World. May be reprinted or reposted with PWW credit. 
For subscription information see below)

By Daniel Vila

NEW YORK - How can Michael Eisner, CEO of the Walt Disney 
Company, afford to pay himself $97,600 an hour? Easy. He 
contracts manufacturers who pay workers in Haiti who sew 
Pocahantas, Mickey Mouse and other Disney clothing for 28 
cents an hour.

Responding to this and many other abusive conditions 
prevalent in the factories where The Disney Company gets its 
clothing manufactured, some 200 persons demonstrated in 
front of the Disney Store in midtown Manhattan Dec. 14. The 
National Labor Committee, a non-profit human rights advocacy 
group which has exposed the link between U.S. multinationals 
and sweatshops around the world, organized the protest.

Thousands of Christmas shoppers going into the store and 
passing by it were surprised to see protesters dressed up as 
Santa Claus, Mickey and Minnie Mouse and other Disney 
characters. Demonstrators passed out leaflets denouncing 
Disney's link to production shops with horrendous working 
conditions.

Charles Kernaghan, director of the National Labor Committee, 
detailed the abuses in "An Open Letter to Walt Disney." He 
wrote the letter earlier this year after returning from 
Haiti where he witnessed the conditions under which Disney 
manufactures the clothing which carries its label. Disney 
has contracted L.V. Myles and H.H. Cutler, which in turn 
contract production to L.V. Myles, N.S. Mart, Classic and 
Gilanex in Haiti.

In his letter Kernaghan states that N.S. Mart, located in 
the Sonapi Industrial Park, pays its workers 28 cents an 
hour. But to earn this a worker on the assembly line had to 
handle 375 Pocahantas shirts an hour. A week's salary was 
not enough to buy one of the shirts which sell at Wal-Mart 
for $10.97.

At a secret meeting with Kernaghan, workers told him 
management screamed and threatened them and young women are 
subjected to sexual assault by management. Toilets are 
filthy and there are rats everywhere, including dead ones in 
the water tank.

"Mickey's for Kids Stuff" is made at the Classic Apparel 
factory which is managed by John Paul Medina, a former 
member of the Fraph Death Squad which killed thousands of 
Haitians during the dictatorship. When President Jean-
Bertrande Aristide raised the minimum wage, Medina responded 
by increasing the daily piece rate quota from 720 to 1,200 
collars in eight hours.

Working conditions at other factories visited by Kernaghan 
were just as miserable. There are no applicable labor codes 
and even being suspected of trying to organize to improve 
working conditions is enough to get anyone fired.

Living conditions for the working class are deplorable. 
Since milk is too expensive, children are given sugar water. 
Parents are unable to afford medicines or meat for their 
children. Cough syrup costs a day's wage, $1.54, and a can 
of powdered milk $3.08. Since workers' neighborhoods do not 
have running water they must buy it by the bucket. A one-
room shack may be home for an entire family, and often 
several families must share a hole in the ground as a 
toilet.

Kernaghan's letter lists four proposals which the workers 
made to Disney: 1) that Disney send representatives to meet 
with them so that they may learn what their working and 
living conditions are.

2) help clean up the factories and guarantee respect for 
human rights including the right to organize.

3) an increase in wages to 58 cents an hour.

4) that local human rights organizations have access to the 
factories to monitor conditions as they do with factories 
contracted by the GAP.

The demonstration in front of the Disney Store ended with a 
march up Fifth Avenue. Nick Unger from the Union of Needle, 
Industrial and Textile Employees told the crowd Disney had 
to be made responsible for the sweatshop conditions in 
Honduras, El Salvador, Haiti and New York.
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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec 21 12:11:29 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.canada,talk.politics.misc,misc.immigration.canada,misc.immigration.misc,soc.history
Subject: Vancouver Conquered! - Montreal Next?
Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:58:37 -0800
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               ENGLISH NOW A MINORITY LANGUAGE IN VANCOUVER

              By Rick Ouston, Vancouver Sun, November 2, 1996

Byline: Long-time city residents are moving to
        the suburbs, adding to the language change

Pie Chart on right side of page:

        _Language spoken at home_
        Vancouver public school students
        By Language - 1995

        * English    43.96%
        * Chinese    31.56%
        * Vietnamese  5.17%
        * Punjabi     4.39%
        * Other      14.92%

If you feel like you're in the minority if you speak English in
the city of Vancouver, you're right.A majority of people living
within the city limits now speak a language other than english at
home, city hall's social planning department has confirmed.It
happened quietly, without fanfare or study, some time in the past
five years.Just when the linguistic tables turned might never be
known.Statistics Canada says it won't finish tallying its 1996
census questions on language spoken at home until December,
1997.The last time the federal agency crunched the numbers after
the 1991 census , English was still the predominant language
inside civic boundaries.Of a total of 471,844 heads counted,
318,585 reported they spoke English at home, compared to 125,805
speaking Chinese languages, 72,330 Punjabi-speakers and a few
thousand speaking 138 other tongues.But the past five years has
seen an unprecedented influx of Asian immigrants moving to
Vancouver, coupled with a mass movement of English-speakers
selling their high-priced Vancouver city homes and cashing in by
moving to the suburbs or further.The result: just 43.96 per cent
of the children in Vancouver school report English as the
language they speak at home, according to a study by the
Vancouver school board.And that number, says city social planner
Baldwin Wong, translates into an accurate account of the
linguistic realities of city homes, meaning that more than 56 per
cent of the population of the city speaks a language other than
English at home."Linguistically, we're a very diverse
population.It's probably one of the most diverse in terms of
urban centers," Wong said.Once Statistics Canada is finished
counting, it will determine an even higher ratio of
non-english-speakers to english-speakers; Wong said.The census
figures will include aged relatives brought into Canada under
Immigration Canada's family reunification program, a group that
historically has found it difficult to learn new
languages.Chinese dialects make up the bulk of non-English
speakers in schools at 31.56 per cent of the total.Add to those
the 5.17 per cent Vietnamese, 4.39 per cent Punjabi, 2.6 per cent
Spanish, 2.06 per cent Hindi, and 1.52 per cent Tagolog (from the
Philippines), and you've already got 47.3 per cent of the
populace speaking a language other than English.The remainder
represents 82 other languages, from Afrikaans to Yiddish.French,
the other official language, generates a blip of just .6 per
cent.The VSB lists 88 different languages spoken by its students.
Richmond, despite its famed influx of Asians, reports just 41.7
per cent as ESL - which means almost 60 per cent of that
municipality's population speaks English at home.For the entire
Lower Mainland, the last census found of a total of 1,542,000
residents, of whom 1,299,000 spoke English, so in Greater
Vancouver, the Queen's language is still king.But in the confides
of the city, population about 480,000 the once-predominate mother
tongue is heard less and less on city streets and in malls.That
generates some friction and resentment among English-speakers who
can no longer eavesdrop, or who try to serve customers who can't
communicate in either official language, says Heribert Adam, a
sociologist who teaches ethnic relations at Simon Fraser
University.  Vancouver-born natives need to understand that
immigrants who talk to each other in their mother tongues do not
intend to denigrate English, he said."People who have non-english
mother tongue, whether it's French or Italian or whatever, they
automatically fall into the language of their origin to establish
a bond beyond verbal communication, an emotional bond," Adam said
in an interview.David Schwietzer, a sociologist at the University
of B.C., said English-speakers must adopt "a sense of
civic-minded tolerance." Younger immigrants will soon learn
english in school and blend into the social fabric to succeed
academically and financially, he said.Older immigrants find it
harder to learn either of Canada's official languages and will
speak the language of their homeland the rest of their lives.
"If it takes a generation [for english to return as the dominant
tongue] that shouldn't be terribly disturbing" Schweitzer
said.David Ley teaches geography at UBC and is co-director of the
federal Metropolis Project, analysing the effects of immigration
on cities."I expect there are cases where people feel that their
way of life has been destabilized" with the language change, he
said."Some feel that have been displaced, in that the place they
know is no longer the place they live in." But all they can do is
adapt, he said, adding that the rest of the Lower Mainland should
also see increases in the number of suburbanites who don't speak
English, but again the situation will reverse itself as young
people are assimilated.



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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec 21 12:11:30 PST 1996
Article: 526439 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.asian
Subject: Why Clinton Supports Free Trade
Date: 20 Dec 1996 16:12:06 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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        Truth really is stranger than fiction sometimes. Remember the famous
novel of the early 1960s, THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, about a President of the
United States who was really working for the Red Chinese? Cut to 1996 and
William Jefferson Clinton...
        
        The first rumbling of what is now becoming referred to as
"Lipposuction" came a couple of weeks before the election. It seems that the
Clintons had been receiving a few measly six-figure campaign donations from
Indonesian nationals. Technically illegal, of course, but then the Clintons
are above the law, so nothing to work up a sweat over. Like everything else
the First Couple have done, the people and the media simply sighed and
ignored it. After all, character doesn't count any more, does it?

        Then after the election it started to come out by dribs and
drabs---the amounts involved, totaling massive sums coming from a variety of
obscure Asian sources. At the center of it all were two Indonesian brothers
named Riady--then a Chinaman named Huang working for the corpse-riddled
Department of Commerce--then a Buddhist temple in California--then Vice
President Al Gore--then the Indonesian multinational giant, the Lippo
Group--and by the time you get this some more of the money trail will
probably have been uncovered. A money trail that leads from the White House
straight back to Red China.

        What gets me about all this is that the payoffs have been so utterly
blatant. Like Clinton declaring that huge area of Utah a Federal nature
preserve, an area which happens to contain the world's largest deposits of a
certain type of soft, clean burning coal, the second largest vein of which
is in--you guessed it!--Indonesia, and is controlled by--need we even
ask?--the Lippo Group. 

        What is more significant is the ongoing exposure of the
Lippo-Beijing connection, including James Riady's close personal ties with
high Chinese Communist Central Committee members and the general who is in
charge of the Gong An Ju, the Chinese secret police, whom Riady regularly
wines and dines on "business trips" to Jakarta. This is the same Riady who
featured so prominently on so many White House guest lists over the past
four years. Investigators and the few media who bother reporting the story
have identified what, about forty visits now? One wonders if Riady was
invited to the official reception for the Chinese Defense Minister two weeks
ago--the same general who ordered the 1989 massacre in Tienamen Square? 

        The official White House response, with an absolutely straight face,
has been all of those visits from Huang and the Riadys, some lasting for
hours, were purely "social calls". Jesus bloody well wept! It's like
Billyboy simply doesn't give a damn what he gets caught doing any more. He
obviously thinks he's invulnerable. Hell, maybe he is.

                                        #


     "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of
strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey, IMPERIUM

Further info: http://www.nswpp.org


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From varange@crl.com Sat Dec 21 20:02:56 PST 1996
Article: 526767 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Beneficiaries of Free Trade
Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:40:13 -0800
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MULTINATIONAL MONITOR ANNOUNCES TEN WORST CORPORATIONS OF 1996

     Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), Caterpillar, Daishowa, Daiwa,
Disney, Freeport, Gerber, Mitsubishi, Seagram's, and Texaco are
the Ten Worst Corporations of 1996, according to an article in
the December 1996 issue of Multinational Monitor magazine.
     Multinational Monitor's ten worst list, now in its
ninth year, is designed to highlight the most egregious acts of
corporate crime, violence and other wrongdoing. 
     Russell Mokhiber, the author of the article, chastises the
Clinton administration for "failing to confront corporate crime
and violence head on" and for failing to "admit to an ugly
reality -- corporate crime and violence inflicts far more damage
on society than all street crime combined."
     Mokhiber points out that while the FBI reports burglary and
robbery combined cost the nation about $4 billion in 1995, white-
collar fraud, generally committed by educated people of means,
costs at least 50 times as much -- $200 billion a year, according
to very conservative estimates.
     Similarly, while the FBI puts the street homicide rate at
about 24,000 a year, the Labor Department points out that more
than twice that number -- 56,000 Americans -- die every year on
the job or from occupational diseases such as black lung, brown
lung, asbestosis and various occupationally-induced cancers.
     The Ten Worst Corporations for 1996 are:
     * ADM, for committing price-fixing crimes that cost
consumers $500 million.
     * Caterpillar, for anti-union practices.
     * Daishowa Inc., for clearcutting timber areas in Alberta,
Canada, then suing a citizen group in Canada for trying to bring
public attention to the company's destructive activity.
     * Daiwa Bank Ltd., for committing financial crimes that
resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars in customer losses.
     * Disney, for hiring sweatshop contractors in the Third
World, including Burma and Haiti, to sew Disney garments.
     * Freeport McMoRan, for polluting areas near one of its
copper mining sites in Irian Jaya, Indonesia.
     * Gerber for pressuring Guatemala to exempt baby food
products from the country's tough infant formula law.
     * Mitsubishi, for destroying tropical rainforests around the
world and for tolerating widespread sexual harassment at
Mitsubishi Motor's Illinois facility.
     * Seagram's, for lifting a 48-year old voluntary ban on
broadcast advertising of distilled spirits.
     * Texaco, for mistreating minority employees, and then
seeking to destroy documents to cover up the episode.
     Multinational Monitor, founded by consumer advocate
Ralph Nader in 1980, is a monthly magazine that focuses on issues
of multinational corporate power. 

  - end -

Russell Mokhiber
Essential Information			|	domain:	russell@essential.org



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From varange@crl.com,haihrvat@geocities.com Sat Dec 21 20:02:58 PST 1996
Article: 526796 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: The Private Sector controls the Government
Date: 21 Dec 1996 14:02:53 -0800
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> > The federally elected government is nothing but a "provisional"
> > government with no REAL power.
> > The REAL government of the United States is these massive and ever
> > increasing in size & wealth Multinational corporations.
> > 
> > Too many a too blind by corporate propaganda to see this (I mean when
> > all the media is owned by them as well....)

The media has more power than any government agency as
the media controls the elections, thereby the government.
We must hate and boycott the monopoly media to fight off
corporate repression.

> > Anyway - it is a hell of a lot more scary than government power.
> > At least the government at least makes a pretense to being publicly
> > accountable.

Hell, yeah!  For every misdeed of the government, there's a
private party involved, typically business.  Why, for every
wiretap or bug that the government plants, business plants
100 times more!

> > Why aren't more people realising this getting damn
> > angry!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!

Because so many obscurantists have convinced so many that
government power is inherently more evil than corporate power.

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From varange@crl.com,schlafo@nevada.edu Sun Dec 22 11:50:05 PST 1996
Article: 92803 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.german,soc.history,talk.politics.european-union
Subject: Dutch Police cooperate with German Fascists
Date: 20 Dec 1996 16:24:36 -0800
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>  Germany & The Netherlands are both part of the EU and sooner or later they
> are going to have a united polie force as well as military. So cross
> border raids isn't too surprising. And the US, Israel, and half a dozen 
> other countries do it all the time as well. The US invaded a whole 
> country just to get one man in fact (Panama)

Which is wrong.

>   And the acts by the police arent really facist. Internal security is 
> more important to Europeans then personal freedoms. Just the opposite of 
> the US. The current crime rate in the US & right wing nuts such as those 
> responsible for the Oklahoma bombing show what some Americans seem to do 
> with that extra freedom, which is limited in Europe.. 

The Oklahoma bombing wasn't committed by radicals; it's more
likely that the bombing was committed by a government agency
connected to the Pentagon, as they have been training for decades
to commit acts as such.  The intelligence agencies are staffed to
the hilt with types that are immoral enough to bomb a federal
building so as to get more powers for the agencies by the
reaction to follow.

>   It's really a philosophical debate. Safety and Security vs. Personal 
> Freedoms.

There's no real security in fascism.

True security is a strong people.

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From varange@crl.com,bolden@math.umn.edu Sun Dec 22 11:50:29 PST 1996
Article: 101509 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Will the Children of the Intermarried Be Jewish?
Date: 21 Dec 1996 14:12:08 -0800
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> >This sounds more like what I have come to understand.  I can't possibly
> >believe that they would want to put themselves out of business as we
> >all know that most of the  children of intermarriage do not identify
> >themselves with Judaism even Reform
> 
> Ask yourself why this is and what can be done to change it.  

By discouraging intermarriage.

I don't know what the statistics are, but the intermarried
are probably more likely to have a marriage fail than other
couplings.

Only 25% of the grandchildren of the intermarried of two
generations ago identify themselves today as Jewish; do you
think it's going to be any better with this generation's
intermarried?

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From varange@crl.com,YU Sun Dec 22 11:54:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.asian
Subject: Why Clinton Supports Free Trade
Date: 21 Dec 1996 13:40:16 -0800
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> Why don't you write about how trade barriers will benefit USA.

By strengthening our manufacturing base.

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From varange@crl.com,morse@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE Sun Dec 22 11:54:38 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,misc.activism,alt.politics.radical-left,ba.politics,misc.invest.misc
Subject: Boycott "Working Assets" - Yuppies Hate Workers
Date: 21 Dec 1996 20:31:26 -0800
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> : "Working Assets," my ass!  What do these wealthy yuppie mofo's
> : care about working class people?!??
> 
> : Boycott "Working Assets!"  Tell them how you feel about their
> : campaigns against the working class!
> 
> I use Working Assets and am not a wealthy yuppie and I don't
> support gun control.  I support a lot of things Working Assets
> does, though.  I use my free calls to support those things.  If
> I disagree with what they are promoting, I don't make the call.
> Possibly some portion of my bill goes to support a handgun
> control initiative I don't care for, but a much greater
> portion goes for things I do care for.
> 
> I'm not working now, because I'm 59 years old and have
> severe mobility impairment, but I'm definitely a working
> class person - lots of years waiting on tables, wordprocessing,
> etc.
> 
> What does AT&T or MCI or Sprint or those guys do with
> the long-distance money?  

Probably similar garbage, so you've got a point.

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From varange@crl.com,rlindber@kendaco.telebyte.net.REMOVE.THIS.TO.REPLY Sun Dec 22 12:02:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Eskimo.com -- Another Rogue Site
Date: 20 Dec 1996 15:42:40 -0800
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>   If you had bothered to use an RFC 931 finger you would have found that
> finger works. Eskimo has suffered a couple of bad DOS attacks and has setup
> every protection they can think of.

Did the admins report the Denial Of Service attacks to the
police?

Ident is not a security measure and it's a weak site that depends
on it.

What do DOS attacks have to do with finger, anyway?

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From varange@crl.com,flodin@eskimo.com Sun Dec 22 12:02:36 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Eskimo.com -- Another Rogue Site
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> > >   If you had bothered to use an RFC 931 finger you would have found that
> > > finger works. Eskimo has suffered a couple of bad DOS attacks and has setup
> > > every protection they can think of.
> > 
> > Did the admins report the Denial Of Service attacks to the
> > police?
> 
> They do when they have anything to report.
> 
> > Ident is not a security measure and it's a weak site that depends
> > on it.
> 
> Do you have any idea what you're talking about?  I mean, have you ever run
> an ISP?
> 
> > What do DOS attacks have to do with finger, anyway?
> 
> Hm, no, apparently you don't have any idea what you're talking about, after all.
> 
> I already posted and emailed you about this.  Either you've never heard of
> fingerbombing or you're frustrated that you can't do it yourself.

"Fingerbombing" cannot be stopped with wrappers, nor any
other type of DOS.  It's a foolish admin who depends on ident.
When a genuine case of DOS is discovered it's best to report
it to the police.

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From varange@crl.com,david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu Sun Dec 22 14:52:29 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Net Abuse by David Bostwick re: rec.music.artists.roxette fails
Date: 21 Dec 1996 20:42:24 -0800
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I remember voting against this proposed newsgroup.  So why isn't 
varange@crl.com listed in the vote results?

> Voted No
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 106073.1401@compuserve.com                                       Mark Kirkwood
> arielle@taronga.com                                         Stephanie da Silva
> booda@datasync.com                                             Martin H. Booda
> bouvin@daimi.aau.dk                                          Niels Olof Bouvin
> catilina@galactica.it                                    Giordano Contestabile
> d88-bli@nada.kth.se                                               Bo Lindbergh
> david.mayall@ukonline.co.uk                                       David Mayall
> dc@panix.com                                                 David W. Crawford
> devuns@alsys.com                                                Olivier Devuns
> dhanson@hal-pc.org                                             David L. Hanson
> djembe@pobox.com                                                    Mike Cohen
> dmorris@cloud9.net                                                  Dan Morris
> gaillard@panix.com                                                 Ed Gaillard
> gbacon@pluto.cs.uah.edu                                             Greg Bacon
> genie@panix.com                                               Andy Finkenstadt
> gerdw@cougar.vut.edu.au                                           David Gerard
> harri.johansson@hpy.fi                                         harri johansson
> Heikki.Kantola@IKI.FI                                           Heikki Kantola
> Ian@crocea.demon.co.uk                                              Ian Leaver
> ito@alumni.cs.colorado.edu                                             Bob Ito
> jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                         J. Porter Clark
> jsi@idiom.com                                                    Michael Craft
> kimdv@netcom.com                                                  Kim DeVaughn
> kimketo@sol.utu.fi                           Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 555 5508
> larmondin@ica.net                                               Fred Larmondin
> lcs@zk3.dec.com                                                    Larry Smith
> leigh@nbi.com                                                     Leigh Melton
> Lorien@maitreya.demon.co.uk                                      SGW MacIntyre
> mlc@iberia.cca.rockwell.com                                       Michael Cook
> mmorrell@artsci.wustl.edu                                      Melissa Morrell
> MRROWWW@aol.com                                               Dolores Scaldini
> mtpins@isca.uiowa.edu                                             Michael Pins
> naddy@mips.pfalz.de                                       Christian Weisgerber
> neeri@iis.ee.ethz.ch                                        Matthias Neeracher
> nick@inferno.fc.hp.com                                          Nick Ingegneri
> olav@viking.mv.com                                             Olav Nieuwejaar
> patl@lcs.mit.edu                                           Patrick J. LoPresti
> phillips@bright.uoregon.edu                                     Chris Phillips
> pierre@rahul.net                                               Pierre Uszynski
> russ@seismo.demon.co.uk                                             Russ Evans
> stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown
> suzi@centrenet.on.ca                                             Susan Verduci
> Thomas.Wings@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de                                Thomas Wings
> tjaskiew@us.oracle.com                                          Tom Jaskiewicz
> tlawson@asu.edu                                                 Todd C. Lawson
> tom.randulff@nooft.abb.no                                         Tom Randulff
> v.narinian@ic.ac.uk                                            Vartan Narinian
> zed@cjnetworks.com                                                 Ned Fleming
> 
> 
> Votes in error
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> DruidHere@aol.com
>    ! No ballot
> huttner@iglou.com                                                  Ann Huttner
>    ! No ballot
> owner@ellipse-data.com                                           Stefan Paetow
>    ! Invalid account


-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,Klaas.Ensing@ensing.idn.nl Mon Dec 23 12:10:25 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.netherlands,uk.politics
Subject: Global Citizens Are Incapable Of Resistance
Date: 22 Dec 1996 16:09:42 -0800
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> > During WW2, the Nazis banned guns in occupied countries, like The
> > Netherlands.
> > But before WW2, our army was mobilized. So most (young) men were armed.
> > However the Germans started to bomb our cities from earoplanes. So we
> > surrendered, because we could not prefent this. No handgun changed this
> > situation. 
> > Most extreme pro's and extreme contra's overestimate the power of a
> > handgun in
> > a realistic (always terrible) modern war.
> 
>  TV> The Dutch leadership was defeated.  Why does that mean that the
>  TV> Dutch people must surrender too?  If there was a strong patriotic
>  TV> conscousness in the Netherlands at the time, the nation would have
>  TV> been ungovernable.
> Yes. There would not have been the Netherlands anymore. All people would have
> been deported. This was a serious plan from Hitler.

Not if the Dutch fought rather than capitulated.

>  TV>   Since Globalist thinking had already penetrated
>  TV> the culture of the Netherlands for a long time, the people didn't
>  TV> resist after the "leadership" capitulated.
> We were a Calvinist country. "God say's we have to obey the government"

When did Calvin say it was wrong to disobey government?!??

> In the past, we were occupied already many times. Spain, France. Napoleon was
> our emperor only 1 century before.
> 
>  TV> The epoch of today is far worse; the national consciousness is so
>  TV> weak throughout Europe, it'd be a piece of cake for a strong nation
>  TV> like China to swallow Europe whole.
> Now you are totally wrong. WHY ARE WE A MEMBER OF THE NATO ??? WHAT DOES NATO
> MEAN?! It saved us against the communistic powerfull USSR.

NATO is crap.  Europe would have been better protected 
without NATO.  NATO gives the countries the feeling they
can pass the buck in protecting their country from 
invasion, rather than building up their own defense.

There's a massive difference between forming alliances
and forming alliances based on such as NATO.

>  TV> Patriotism, like leadership, is more valuable than gold, and
>  TV> something the "leaders" of Western countries seem to fear like the
>  TV> plague.
> Yes, because it was THE cause of so many wars.

Wars have been fought for the whims of global capital, seldem
for any patriotic purpose.

> The EC is not a USA so far. We have so many different languages and cultures.

The USA is more multicutural than individual European 
countries, so I don't see why you think that prevents 
patriotism.

>  TV> Europe rests on economic power alone; why *shouldn't* Europe be
>  TV> invaded and annexed by a foreign power, when the people of Europe
>  TV> don't even seem to want the continued existence of their own
>  TV> nations!
> To complex for me. What is Europe.
> 
> Don't forget we have already such a long history, which showes/caused a lot of
> total different habbits, culture, religions etc..
> 
> However I DO know that NATO worked. Together, we had the last 50 years a
> strong army against any agressive foreign power. What we learned from WW2 is
> that the NATO is most important for our national securety.
> 
> Personally I have nothing against handguns for law abying citizens. But I
> don't like to see them in the hands of criminals or extremists (left- or
> right-wing). No government likes them in the hands of revolutionaries.

Criminals can be shot.  Does it occur to gun control advocates
that the law abiding outnumber the criminals by at least fifty
to one?  The primary reason that the large numbers of privately
owned firearms in the USA has not been effective against 
criminals is because of local and state regulations and/or 
courts that strongly discourage citizen participation in 
controlling crime in any situation.  For example, a burgler
who invades an apartment and is shot in the act by the
residents often sues and wins civil judgements against the 
residents, and the hero who did the shooting or even unarmed
fighting against the burgler is often sent to lengthy prison
terms, even longer than the burgler!

> After WW2 we got much more interest in the UK and the USA. I guess the
> Marchall Help caused this. 

The Marshall Plan brought a lot of power to USA politicians
and businessmen over Europe, but it would have been hard
to resist the funds.

> Marchall Help caused this. English is now about our second language. The new
> generation is learning English at primary school. 
> Free information is important. Radio, TV, satelite TV, Inthernet etc changed
> our society. We fly by plane to other countries. We speak with people in those
> countries and we discover that they are not as weard as we thought

Yes, we're finding out that *all* of our governments are
stupid.  Plaudits to those fighting to free Europe from 
the worship of capitalism!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,yyerosla@sfu.ca Mon Dec 23 12:10:26 PST 1996
Article: 92846 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Israel's Anti-Slavic Policies
Date: 22 Dec 1996 19:03:30 -0800
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> I was in San-Francisco two days ago and sow -Russian Angels- on Market St.
> close to UN square - and what it is prove. Ledys / not only from former
> USSR/ want a little money - is it worse ?!  But if Ledy from South America
> - is it change situation?!

When progressive nationalism takes power, the pimps will 
be shot or sentenced to lengthy terms at hard labor under 
the pain of the knout.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,cra@wam.umd.edu Mon Dec 23 12:10:27 PST 1996
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Subject: Israel's Anti-Slavic Policies
Date: 22 Dec 1996 21:29:26 -0800
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> > The point was, as I see it, that to head the report about the
> > fact that - like in most countries - prostitutes are brought
> > illegally from other nations and forced to work as "Israel's
> > anti-Slavic policy" is a misrepresentation of the facts.
> > It implies that Israel or the Israeli police in some way
> > encourages this practice or that the Israeli overnemtn thinks
> > that it is a cceptable, which as the article showed is absurd.

Israel gives concealed approval by refusing to stop the
prostitution.

> > There are probably prostitutes in Sweden too.  Let me guess
> > that many of them are from ,say, Russia.  Does this make
> > an article about prostitution in Sweden a proof of Sweden's
> > anti-russian policy'?  And if turns out that most prostitues
> > are natives, does this qualify as 'Swedish government commits
> > horrible crimes against its own people?'.

Yes, should Sweden treat Russians in the same manner that
Israel treats Russians.  But Sweden doesn't.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com,pleaseLOOK@my.sig.file Wed Dec 25 15:43:52 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.radical-left,alt.conspiracy
Subject: John Loftus - Paranoid Mo Fo
Date: 24 Dec 1996 17:19:57 -0800
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> >Just picked up John Loftus The Secret War against the Jews.
> >
> >What an idiot.  His conspiracism is worse than all those who
> >worry about UFO's and mind control waves.
> 
> "conspiracism"????  didn't know that 'ism' existed, but i'll
> take it...

Those who commit conspiracies and those who pretend to detect
conspiracies that do not, in fact, exist.

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Soviet 'angels' forced into Israeli sex slavery

London Observer Service

JERUSALEM -- A short interview with immigration officers and $100
in visa fees is all it  takes to travel by car from Jordan to
Israel.

But wealthy Arabs lining up at the border in search of the fruits
of peace must endure  a further two-hour drive before they can
savor the delights of Tel Aviv, the new  pleasure capital of the
Mediterranean basin.

Along the shoreline dotted with modern hotels some of the traffic
congestion is  accounted for by the luxury cars with Jordanian
license plates. The drivers have all  heard the stories about the
blonde ''angels'' pouring into Israel from Latvia, Lithuania  and
Ukraine.

Israeli police say that at any given time there are an estimated
3,000 women working  as ''escorts'' in the hotels, massage
parlors and brothels that have sprung up in Tel  Aviv, Jerusalem
and the Red Sea resort of Eilat. These ''angels,'' police say,
are  imported by a local mafia led by Russian and Georgian
immigrants, Israeli  businessmen and Ukranians.

''It has become a phenomenon,'' said a senior police officer.
''These women were  lured to Israel with the promise of well-paid
jobs. Once they arrive, they discover they  have walked into a
trap and their only way out is to accept the demands of their
exigent employers.''

Before arriving in Israel the women are promised well-paid jobs
-- up to $2,000 a  month -- as waitresses, masseuses, telephone
operators and secretaries. Once they  land at Tel Aviv's Ben
Gurion airport, the story changes. Their passports are  collected
by pimps in flashy suits and dark glasses who drive them to their
new places  of work. They're allowed to rest for 24 hours before
the ordeal starts.

''When I walked into the office, I met three other girls,'' says
Sonia, 23, a divorced  mother of two from Riga, Latvia. ''I could
tell from their faces that something was not quite right, but
before I could talk to them they were ordered into another room
by two  men. These men gave me a false Israeli identity card with
a new name. I asked them  when I would start my work as a
waitress and they said it would take a few more days  until they
arranged the work permit.

''The next morning another man came to the office and told me he
had a better job for  me. I would be escorting important people
like businessmen, ambassadors and even  politicians to cocktails.
Then he ordered a taxi which took me to one of the hotels in  Tel
Aviv. I was told to go to Room 304 and wait for an important
client. When I entered  the room, I was shocked to discover that
the client was wrapped in a towel and lying  on the bed.

''Straight away, he told me to undress because he had no time to
wait. Of course I  refused, but he telephoned the office to
complain and within minutes two men I had  never met came into
the room, slapped me and told me they would kill me if I did not
satisfy the client. Since then I have been forced to service at
least 15 clients a day. I  never expected to be made into a
whore, but I was afraid.''

Prostitution is illegal in Israel, but police rarely enforce the
law. When brothels are  raided, it's always the foreign girls who
are at a disadvantage. Since most have false  identity cards and
passports, they're taken to prison and summarily deported.  The
pimps escape with light or suspended sentences.

In statements to police, many of the women have described their
working conditions  as akin to slavery. They say they're
regularly raped and beaten by the pimps and  cannot escape
because of the bouncers employed to guard them 24 hours a day.

Each client pays the equivalent of $100 for an hour of sex. But
the women receive  less than 10 percent in shekels. Even this is
regularly confiscated by the pimps who  say the women must pay
for their food and accommodation and air fares.

The pimps' greed can sometimes lead to murder. Last May, Angelica
Petrovsky, 30,  refused to hand over a 100-shekel ($30) tip she
was given by a client in Jerusalem.  Her pimp, assisted by three
friends, strangled her and dumped her body near the West Bank
town of Ramallah so that police would think she had been killed
by Arabs.

''Our best clients are the Jordanians and the Palestinians,''
says Mille, 29, from Tbilisi,  Georgia. ''They really appreciate
beautiful women and know how to spoil. Among my  best clients is
a Palestinian police officer with a VIP card. Before leaving he
gives us  each $200 and bottles of perfume.''

Israeli clients also include police officers as well as
businessmen. But, say the women,  they aren't as generous as the
wealthy Arabs.

Israeli police have so far failed to crack the prostitution mafia
that generates an  estimated annual turnover of $450 million.
Police complain they don't have the  expertise, manpower or
motivation to challenge the sophisticated entrepreneurs.

Even judges have their hands tied because none of the women are
willing to testify in  open court. In one court case, Judge Natan
Efrati reprimanded prosecutors for  agreeing to a plea bargain
with Susu Mikhalashweli, 34, a Georgian immigrant charged with
using forged passports to import prostitutes from the former
Soviet  Union. Because of the plea bargain, the charges were
amended to attempted pimping  and assisting foreigners to stay
illegally in Israel.

Efrati judge complained he had no choice but to accept the plea
bargain. He fined  Mikhalashweli $4,000 and sentenced him to two
months' community service. In his  summing up, he described
Mikhalashweli as ''driven by money and obsessed with  importing
women for prostitution. We are talking about an industry and a
sophisticated business operation.''

''The women are afraid of the underworld,'' says Esther Elam, a
sociologist and  co-founder of a women's support group called
''We are Worthy.''

''Unfortunately, the Israeli police are ignoring this. No one is
interested in women  prostitutes because the authorities seem to
think some prostitutes are good for a  healthy society. It's
unbelievable that we should tolerate this trade in human beings
in  a modern democratic society.''

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service.)

Published 17 December,  1996 Deseret News Publishing Co.

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From varange@crl.com,hrubin@b.stat.purdue.edu Wed Dec 25 15:53:00 PST 1996
Article: 101770 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Will the Children of the Intermarried Be Jewish?
Date: 22 Dec 1996 15:30:36 -0800
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> >> >This sounds more like what I have come to understand.  I can't possibly
> >> >believe that they would want to put themselves out of business as we
> >> >all know that most of the  children of intermarriage do not identify
> >> >themselves with Judaism even Reform
>  
> >> Ask yourself why this is and what can be done to change it.  
> 
> >By discouraging intermarriage.
> 
> This is done by Reform Judaism. 

?!?? 

Reform Judaism has actively promoted intermarriage for a 
full generation.

>                                  But what is the action to be taken
> if it happens?  If those who intermarry are kicked out, how likely
> is it that their children will want to return?

By the urge to rebel against their parents.  ;-)

> >I don't know what the statistics are, but the intermarried
> >are probably more likely to have a marriage fail than other
> >couplings.
> 
> People who differ in beliefs are more likely to have a marriage
> fail than those who agree on beliefs.  So what else is new?
> 
> >Only 25% of the grandchildren of the intermarried of two
> >generations ago identify themselves today as Jewish; do you
> >think it's going to be any better with this generation's
> >intermarried?
> 
> The point is to try to do something about it, instead of just
> complaining.  And the simplest start is to invite them to
> rejoin us.  Without this, nothing is likely to do much good.

Discouraging intermarriage is prevention.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com,aaf@u.washington.edu Wed Dec 25 15:57:42 PST 1996
Article: 527322 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Rush Limbaugh is  . . . .
Date: 22 Dec 1996 16:19:28 -0800
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Rush Limbaugh is a liberal.

He and his kind want to let business do *anything* they 
want.

See his interview in Penthouse?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,v.cicero@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 25 15:57:44 PST 1996
Article: 527432 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Ebonics as a Second Language
Date: 21 Dec 1996 13:48:57 -0800
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State laws require two years of foreign language instruction
to graduate from high school.  Hopefully, we can now study
Ebonics instead of the tiresome Romance languages most schools
have only made available.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,autonthusd@aol.com Wed Dec 25 15:57:45 PST 1996
Article: 527472 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Boycott "Working Assets" - Yuppies Hate Workers
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> Just yesterday I received my latest issue of the American Rifleman and
> under "The President's Column" is a story that really pissed me off. 
> There is a long distance telephone company by the name of Working Assets
> that is not merely anti-gun, they are unabashedly so.  According to a
> company ad, "last year alone we gave over $2 million to groups like
> Handgun Control Inc."  The ad further urges people to "Call your
> right-wing, gun-toting, NRA supporting uncle in Tulsa and tell him how
> he's helping to support the ban on assault weapons."  And according to
> Sarah Brady, "without the support of Working Assets, Congress would have
> made good on its promise to the gun lobby and repealed the assault weapons
> ban."

"Working Assets," my ass!  What do these wealthy yuppie mofo's
care about working class people?!??

Boycott "Working Assets!"  Tell them how you feel about their
campaigns against the working class!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,102334.12@compuserve.com Wed Dec 25 15:57:46 PST 1996
Article: 528143 of talk.politics.misc
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Subject: Limbaugh and "liberal media" collaborated
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Rush Limbaugh is a liberal, so what's the surprise?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,hallinan@borg.com Wed Dec 25 15:57:48 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,misc.activism,alt.politics.radical-left,ba.politics,misc.invest.misc
Subject: Boycott "Working Assets" - Yuppies Hate Workers
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> >And by the way: I think guns should be _heavily_ regulated! There's no 
> >constitutional right to bear automatic weapons, AK-47s, Uzis, Tech-9s, 
> >"cop-killers," ... 
> 
> What sort of elitist are you?  If some kid wants to have his own
> Street Sweeper because his eyes are a little weak and he wants to be
> sure and clean them all out who are you to disappoint him?  You some
> kind of grinch or something?
> 
> And if some terrorist wants a nuclear weapon in a suitcase, who are
> you... 
> 
> Even if the kid who had his heart set on a Street Sweeper must lose
> his constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

Why, I'm for gun control and nuclear disarmament too!

The government is too corrupt to allow the government to 
have firearms and nuclear weapons.

The police shouldn't be allowed to have anything their
supporters aren't allowed to have.  They should have to
walk the beat in New York City with no weapon whatsoever,
as residents there are not allowed to defend themselves
with weapons.  In California, they can walk the beat in
East Oakland with unconcealed unloaded firearms just 
like residents are allowed to.

After all, the police are human; so is everyone else!

-- 
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From varange@crl.com,beep@new.net Wed Dec 25 15:57:49 PST 1996
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Subject: Boycott "Working Assets" - Yuppies Hate Workers
Date: 22 Dec 1996 14:04:33 -0800
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> >> Just yesterday I received my latest issue of the American Rifleman and
> >> under "The President's Column" is a story that really pissed me off. 
> >> There is a long distance telephone company by the name of Working Assets
> >> that is not merely anti-gun, they are unabashedly so.  According to a
> >> company ad, "last year alone we gave over $2 million to groups like
> >> Handgun Control Inc."  The ad further urges people to "Call your
> >> right-wing, gun-toting, NRA supporting uncle in Tulsa and tell him how
> >> he's helping to support the ban on assault weapons."  And according to
> >> Sarah Brady, "without the support of Working Assets, Congress would have
> >> made good on its promise to the gun lobby and repealed the assault weapons
> >> ban."
> >
> >"Working Assets," my ass!  What do these wealthy yuppie mofo's
> >care about working class people?!??
> >
> >Boycott "Working Assets!"  Tell them how you feel about their
> >campaigns against the working class!
> 
> I'm working class. In fact, my father was a Teamsters rep. for a brewery. I 
> worked there summers delivering beer, taking 8 hour shifts on the "case 
> feeder" (use your imagination... ugh!). That was years ago. I'm a writer and 
> editor now; still "working class."
> 
> I also have some assets. I want them to work just as hard as I do, and I want 
> them to work in conjunction with my philosophies. That's the definition of 
> "Working Assets," which has nothing to do with "class," and everything to do 
> with having your money work for you and also for your point of view.
> 
> No; I don't belong to Working Assets; their agenda's a bit too liberal for my 
> point of view. But I support those who would belong, because they're "putting 
> their money where their mouth is."
> 
> And by the way: I think guns should be _heavily_ regulated! There's no 
> constitutional right to bear automatic weapons, AK-47s, Uzis, Tech-9s, 
> "cop-killers," ... 

I think they should be heavily regulated too; the police and 
military shouldn't be allowed to have them.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com,ds1668@aol.com Wed Dec 25 16:11:15 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: What is a Jew?
Date: 22 Dec 1996 22:28:16 -0800
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> a jew is a person, a religion, and a nationality. they are
> either all togeather or only one. We are smart because we have
> had to learn how to surive hatred. We like other patriots don't
> trust government. We have lived in this country longer than most
> of you. We have helped build this country to the great nation
> it is today. Yes we have lots of money , only because we know
> money can buy the things you will need to survive the next war.

Jews were forced to be rich, eh?

> Yopu partiots should learn lessons from the jews on serivial. We
> have been around thousands of years. 

Jews survived because of hate.

Thanks for the tip.

We're hated and we hate, so we're well on the way for surviving
for thousands of years.

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From varange@crl.com,vtailor@ibm.net Wed Dec 25 16:12:31 PST 1996
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> >Except, that in this case the issue is not about children. It is about
> >adults that should be able to make responsible choices and not put all
> >the blame on those who want exploit them. 'Grandpa Lenin' tought all of
> >us to share.. :-) even the blame...

Lenin and Stalin taught that prostitutes were victims of
society, the society that encourages and protects pimps.

Lenin and Stalin endorsed shooting pimps.  Stalin
endorsed short terms at corrective labour for 
prostitutes.

> Listen, I was in Israel in Tel Aviv near the ocean and in Haifa.  I saw
> plenty of Soviet immigrants who had been converted by the secret
> communists (the United States secret communist movement, not to be
> confused with the now defunct Soviet communists).  Believe me, with
> the secret communist network, and their ability to bug apartments and
> houses so as to overhear everything, no Soviet immigrant mafia could
> continue to function.  They would be swamped immediately and arrested.

Bogus.  There's an extensive organized criminal network in
Israel.  That you deny it, reveals your bias against these
poor exploited workers.

If Israel were a progressive country, the pimps would be shot.
The johns would be shot or serve lengthy prison terms.

The same with the USA, but neither the USA or Israel are 
progressive.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,dnhudson@mail.utexas.edu Wed Dec 25 20:52:35 PST 1996
Article: 53361 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.criticism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.sex,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,alt.rodney.king,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: The Ruling Class, Media and the Valentine Incident
Date: 25 Dec 1996 16:12:49 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 48
Message-ID: 
References: <63776=hallinan@borg.com> <587540$r5u@hpscit.sc.hp.com> <32bf8f66.4429641@news.gate.net> <32BF9173.4A7D@mail.utexas.edu>
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,dnhudson@mail.utexas.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl4.crl.com
Here: Wed Dec 25 15:30:24 PST 1996
X-From: "David N. Hudson" 
X-Bytes: [ 2467]
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> > When it comes to justices, we hear the media spout, "A black
> > man is being charged with the murder of ..." But when a white
> > man is charged with the same crime, it's, "A man was arrested
> > today for the ..."  Notice that race was not mentioned. Sadly,
> > the media is playing up the race issue.
> 
> This is exactly 180 degrees off the beam.  Some years ago,
> local news would always identify the race of the suspect.

Way back in the notorious Karen Valentine case in 1964 the
media monopoly has been lying on the race issue of crime.

Re: White Valentine was in an argument with her African American
boyfriend in front of a Jewish apartment complex in New York
city.  The Gentleman of Color started stabbing Valentine and
walked away leaving her crumpled up on the sidewalk.  He came
back ten minutes later and stabbed her some more; another ten
minutes passed and he came back and stabbed her in the third
volley of thrusts from the knife.  No member of the apartments
ever called and reported what was happening and happened, though
many of the Jews later reported that they sat and watched the
murder through their windows.  The police came well after the
fact; if the paramedics had gotten there shortly after the
first attack her life could have been saved; yet no one called
an emergency number while she was still alive; a pedestrian,
a white, reported to the authorities the corpse on the sidewalk.

The media monopoly lied about the incident referring to the
parties involved as "just plain folks; as American as apple
pie," and *still* lie about this incident in 1964 when the
subject rears its ugly head.

You see, the ruling class was already convinced of the
desirability of interracial mating; to have honestly reported
about the incident in the crucial year of 1964 would have
given better public support for the reactionaries opposed
to what became of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965
Immigration Act.

So that's why the media was and is the way it is when reporting
about crime; its the mouth piece of the ruling class, the
parasite class that thinks of nothing but money.

A million Valentines for our efforts!  That's what they give
us when we fight for intellectual freedom!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,c626193@showme.missouri.edu Wed Dec 25 21:02:17 PST 1996
Article: 528895 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.org.un,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.misc,soc.rights.human
Subject: Supporting the United Nations: Reason #8
Date: 25 Dec 1996 20:04:24 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 9
Message-ID: 
References: <32C04DB0.6378@showme.missouri.edu>
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,c626193@showme.missouri.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl4.crl.com
Here: Wed Dec 25 20:02:07 PST 1996
X-From: "Shawn C. Hinkle" 
X-Bytes: [ 1117]
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> Promoting self determination and independence - The United
> Nations has played a role in bringing about independence in
> countries that are now among its Member States.

Ha!  The globalists *hate* independence!  See Foreign Affairs
for proof!  We know what your kind has in mind for the world!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,flodin@eskimo.com Wed Dec 25 21:03:08 PST 1996
Article: 120544 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Eskimo.com -- another Rogue Site
Date: 22 Dec 1996 14:29:48 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 39
Message-ID: 
References:  
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,flodin@eskimo.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com
Here: Sun Dec 22 14:20:21 PST 1996
X-From: flodin@eskimo.com (evilsofa)
X-Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!gene.com!cgl!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!eskimo!flodin
X-Bytes:  2078
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:120544 news.admin.censorship:22356

> > > % finger -m postmaster@eskimo.com
> > > 
> > > [eskimo.com] 
> > >         
> > >         Our apologies, user at crl13.crl.com. 
> > >         Finger services are only available to sites running an RFC 931 or 
> > > RFC 1413 compliant Ident daemon.  For your convenience, ident source
> > code is 
> > > available via anonymous ftp to ftp.eskimo.com in the /security
> > directory, or at
> > > many large archive sites on the Internet.
> > 
> >
> > As it states on RFC1413 ident is *not* to be used for security
> > purposes and gives the reasons why.
> > 
> > Eskimo.com is run by idiots.
> 
> What, are you perhaps annoyed that you can't fingerbomb eskimo.com into
> oblivion?

Eh?  Do I want to go to jail?

If you find a bona fide DOS, report it to the police, no
wrappers are going to prevent DOS.
 
> Anonymous finger connections are denied to prevent denial of service
> attacks.  RFC 1413 authentication prevents IP spoofing because the attempt
> to ident the connection will go to the
> spoofed IP instead of the real one, ident will fail, and the connection is
> denied.

http://www.crl.com/~varange/maillist/phrack.zip

Especially issue #48.  If you think wrappers prevent DOS, 
you're only fooling yourself.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,msaroff@moose.erie.net Wed Dec 25 21:03:09 PST 1996
Article: 120552 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Ping Attacks and other forms of net abuse
Date: 22 Dec 1996 14:54:30 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 22
Message-ID: 
References: <59bpe2$3lr@news.erie.net>
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,msaroff@moose.erie.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com
Here: Sun Dec 22 14:46:33 PST 1996
X-From: msaroff@moose.erie.net (Matthew Saroff)
X-Path: nexp.crl.com!news.cu-online.com!news9.agis.net!agis!newsgod1.agis.net!news1.agis.net!agis!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.erie.net!moose.erie.net!msaroff
X-Bytes: 1601

>         I remember reading about panix.com being subjected to a "ping
> attack" which crippled system performance.  I am assuming that such an
> attack involves sending a flood of pings from multiple sites to overwhelm
> the server, and I have some questions:
> 1) What other sorts of attacks are there that have similar effects.
> 2) About how many pings/second are required (ball park figure) to
> significantly impact performance?

Read about the SYN attacks in Phrack #48 and #49:

http://www.crl.com/~varange/maillist/phrack.zip

There's information about how to stop it.

Router's can also be configured to keep better logs.

Apparantly panix.com and webcom.com never bothered to call
the police;  the police would have quickly traced the 
culprits; too late now.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,bill@scconsult.com Wed Dec 25 21:03:10 PST 1996
Article: 120559 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news-out.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.pbi.net!news5.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!in2.uu.net
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Unlisted contacts in InterNIC record?!?!  (CYBER-MAIL-DOM)
Date: 22 Dec 1996 16:32:07 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 7
Message-ID: 
References: <32B99FAF.6DCFC851@n2h2.com>  
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,bill@scconsult.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com
Here: Sun Dec 22 16:29:53 PST 1996
X-From: bill@scconsult.com (Bill Stewart-Cole)
X-Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!voskovec.radio.cz!sc1.scconsult.com!bill.finan.com!user
X-Bytes: 3133

There's nothing invalid with the administrative, technical, 
etc., contacts being the same.

The DNS providers can always be located anyway.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,dave@frackit.com Wed Dec 25 21:03:11 PST 1996
Article: 120560 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Net Abuse by David Bostwick re: rec.music.artists.roxette fails
Date: 22 Dec 1996 16:28:38 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 18
Message-ID: 
References: <849057707.6403@uunet.uu.net> <851196950.1324@uunet.uu.net>  <32bfaf93.626016026@news.microserve.net>
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,dave@frackit.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com
Here: Sun Dec 22 16:22:30 PST 1996
X-From: dave@frackit.com (Dave Ratcliffe)
X-Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!news14.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis!news.minn.net!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!not-for-mail
X-Bytes: 1671
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> -I remember voting against this proposed newsgroup.  So why isn't 
> -varange@crl.com listed in the vote results?
> 
> Do you have the vote ACK that was sent back to you when you voted? If you
> didn't get one then your vote wasn't recieved. 

Unfortunately, no. 

But I've noticed the problem in other RESULTS posts, so
I'm going to start saving copies of all my votes and the
ACK's as to see the hard evidence of being on a UVV 
blacklist.

Others should do the same, if they don't see their 
address on the RESULTS posts.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,schnarlz@voicenet.com Wed Dec 25 21:03:11 PST 1996
Article: 120585 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Eskimo.com -- another Rogue Site
Date: 22 Dec 1996 20:37:53 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 61
Message-ID: 
References:    <59ku66$juq@goodnews.voicenet.com>
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,schnarlz@voicenet.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com
Here: Sun Dec 22 20:24:42 PST 1996
X-From: schnarlz@voicenet.com (Matthew Schnierle)
X-Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!schnarlz
X-Bytes:  2596
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> >> > > % finger -m postmaster@eskimo.com
> >> > > 
> >> > > [eskimo.com] 
> >> > >         
> >> > >         Our apologies, user at crl13.crl.com. 
> >> > >         Finger services are only available to sites running an RFC 931 or 
> >> > > RFC 1413 compliant Ident daemon.  For your convenience, ident source
> >> > code is 
> >> > > available via anonymous ftp to ftp.eskimo.com in the /security
> >> > directory, or at
> >> > > many large archive sites on the Internet.
> >> >
> >> > As it states on RFC1413 ident is *not* to be used for security
> >> > purposes and gives the reasons why.
> >> > 
> >> > Eskimo.com is run by idiots.
> >> 
> >> What, are you perhaps annoyed that you can't fingerbomb eskimo.com into
> >> oblivion?
> >
> >Eh?  Do I want to go to jail?
> >
> >If you find a bona fide DOS, report it to the police, no
> >wrappers are going to prevent DOS.
> 
> Yeah, but they at least make you spoof an identd response.  It's the little
> things in life....
> 
> >> Anonymous finger connections are denied to prevent denial of service
> >> attacks.  RFC 1413 authentication prevents IP spoofing because the attempt
> >> to ident the connection will go to the
> >> spoofed IP instead of the real one, ident will fail, and the connection is
> >> denied.
> >
> >http://www.crl.com/~varange/maillist/phrack.zip
> >
> >Especially issue #48.  If you think wrappers prevent DOS,
> >you're only fooling yourself.
> 
> No, but they do make you work just a bit harder to gain
> information about a system.  Personally, I run finger
> daemons that require identd just to prevent 90% of idiots
> from messing with my machines.  The other 10% could

90% of idiots don't run identd!  Netcom is one of the few
ISP's that run identd for all their ports, and that's only
for their shell.

By denying finger access to anyone who doesn't run identd, that
certainly is denying over 90% of requests to the finger port.

> fake the friggen identd and spoof an IP to make it look
> real, anyway.  The latter is the group to worry about.

Simply don't run fingerd.  What's the loss?

In any case, fingerd entails no more of a threat of a DOS than
any other port.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,rra@cs.stanford.edu Wed Dec 25 21:03:12 PST 1996
Article: 120586 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!academ!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!news5.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!in2.uu.net
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Net Abuse by David Bostwick re: rec.music.artists.roxette fails
Date: 22 Dec 1996 20:48:18 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 13
Message-ID: 
References: <849057707.6403@uunet.uu.net> <32bfaf93.626016026@news.microserve.net>  
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,rra@cs.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com
Here: Sun Dec 22 20:38:24 PST 1996
X-From: Russ Allbery 
X-Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!agate!news.Stanford.EDU!usenet
X-Bytes:  1179
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> > Unfortunately, no. 
> >
> > But I've noticed the problem in other RESULTS posts, so I'm going to
> > start saving copies of all my votes and the ACK's

> Oh, you're finally going to start doing precisely what the
> CFV and ACK tells you to do?

Yes, I'm going to start doing what only a handful of voters do,
save the votes and ACKS's.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,peter@nmti.com Wed Dec 25 21:03:13 PST 1996
Article: 120782 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!super.zippo.com!zdc!news.pbi.net!news5.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!in2.uu.net!nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!melba.bby.com.au!news.mira.net.au!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.109.2.48!bonkers!web.nmti.com!peter
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Eskimo.com -- another Rogue Site
Date: 24 Dec 1996 15:34:34 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 25
Message-ID: 
References:  <59ku66$juq@goodnews.voicenet.com>  <59nfla$bjm@web.nmti.com>
Reply-To: varange@crl.com,peter@nmti.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com
Here: Tue Dec 24 15:21:45 PST 1996
X-From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
X-Bytes: [ 1407]
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:120782 news.admin.censorship:22398

> > By denying finger access to anyone who doesn't run identd,
> > that certainly is denying over 90% of requests to the
> > finger port.
> 
> Cool. I deny 100% of them.

Sensible.  Finger is a dinosaur.  

It also makes sense to configure out sendmails vrfy.

> (though most ISPs run identd because if they didn't their
> customers would
>  whine about not being able to get into IRC)

Yes, but few run it for anything but the purposes of IRC.

Netcom is the only ISP I know that runs global identd.

What stupid admins don't realize is that ident requests are
easily foiled by anyone who has root access to their machine,
and everyone with a Slip/PPP account has root access to their
machine!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Wed Dec 25 21:03:14 PST 1996
Article: 120880 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!academ!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.pbi.net!news5.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!in2.uu.net
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.censorship,alt.config,alt.support.crossdressing
Subject: Forged Rmgroup
Date: 25 Dec 1996 18:08:50 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
Lines: 18
Message-ID: 
Reply-To: varange@crl.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl4.crl.com
Here: Wed Dec 25 18:04:36 PST 1996
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:120880 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:2544 news.admin.censorship:22410 alt.config:73690

Path: nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!xconn.com!usenet
From: sysadmin@xconn.com
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.support.crossdressing
Control: rmgroup alt.support.crossdressing
Approved: sysadmin@xconn.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 12:23:05 
Organization: Cross Connection +1 818.786.8887
Distrbution: world
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No proposal or discussion in alt.config.



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Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,gedau@pobox.com Wed Dec 25 21:03:15 PST 1996
Article: 120881 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Q: why not disallow cross-posting altogether?
Date: 25 Dec 1996 18:26:08 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Why not?  It'd be fairly easy for an admin to configure their
software to delete all articles with "," in the Newsgroups:
line, as well as configure news posting software to reject
crossposting.  The admins can even do it both ways and allow
users to select which news server they desire; the benefits
of this system is that the efficiency of any newsreader is
greatly improved by server hacks over configuring newsreaders
to emulate a no crosspost read-write policy.

It should be remembered that America Online formerly didn't
offer the capability to originate a crosspost; this policy
didn't neccessarily improve the quality of usenet.

In the meantime, there's nothing keeping you from using trn
to do the following:

cat > $HOME/News/KILL 
/,/Hnewsgroups:j 


If you don't have a shell unix account with trn it's up to
you to get one rather than blaming usenet for your lack of a
decent account.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Dec 26 09:42:22 PST 1996
Article: 124472 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.radical-left,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy,soc.history
Subject: John Loftus - Paranoid Mo Fo
Date: 24 Dec 1996 14:28:28 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Just picked up John Loftus The Secret War against the Jews.

What an idiot.  His conspiracism is worse than all those who
worry about UFO's and mind control waves.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,joe@apk.net Thu Dec 26 10:32:20 PST 1996
Article: 50085 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Fake Jews like Fake Jews
Date: 25 Dec 1996 16:27:05 -0800
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X-From: joe@apk.net (Joseph T. Adams)
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> : You, as a Jew, as an American, are precious to the cause of
> : Freedom. Don't let the dogs of hate, yapping at the perimeter
> : distract you from the goals we all share in common with each
> : other, in this journey towards being a free People once again.
> 
> Amen!!!  While all people are precious to the cause of freedom,
> Americans of Jewish descent have made more than their share
> of contributions to the greatness of this country, and that
> is exactly what we all need to be doing!

What we all need to do is be a thorn in the eye of the servents
of the ruling class, the media monopoly.

Real Jews are rebels; they question the authority of ruling
class members like the Lefraks, Bronfmans, Gates, Oppenheimers,
Grahams, Newshouses, Ovitzes, Spielbergs, Eisners, Warburgs,
etc.

No doubt, the ones who defend our rulers are traitors, fakirs.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,joe@apk.net Thu Dec 26 10:32:23 PST 1996
Article: 50101 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Liberal-Fascists disguised as Socialists
Date: 25 Dec 1996 16:50:51 -0800
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> : Actually a socialist is one who believes that all means of production
> : should be owned by the state.  Not some degree, but all.  Not regulation,
> : ownership.  This is rather simple.
> 
> If it exercises 100% of control, and takes 100% of the profit,
> then clearly this is an example of socialism.

That is correct and socialists support this.

> Increasing levels of control of and profits taken from
> business imply increasing degrees of ownership of business,
> which in turn imply increasing moves toward socialism.

Not neccessarily; repression of the market is a tactic, and
only a tactic; it can be used as a step towards socialism, but,
in the status quo, the mutilated attempts to repress the market
by the liberal/conservatives have the exact opposite effect;
the state is *deliberately* made inefficient by the feds and
the localities to repress the movement.

> There is a continuum between liberty and totalitarianism.
> It is possible to get from one to the other by violent
> revolution, as was done in the former Soviet Union; however,
> it is much easier to do so in small steps that relatively
> few people understand or recognize.

A little learning goes a long way.  Agitating for the
abolishment of tax differences between earned and unearned
income is a brilliant tactic to weaken the ruling class,
as is protectionism and asset taxes.

End the privilages of the rich!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,jewIII@transend.com.tw Fri Dec 27 12:09:29 PST 1996
Article: 40668 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.correct
Subject: The beginning and end of Jim Walsh
Date: 24 Dec 1996 20:12:34 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Here: Tue Dec 24 20:05:53 PST 1996
X-From: jewIII@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh)
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> 1. There are no races to perserve.

Speak for yourself; many people want to preserve races.

> 2. The "White" race is not Christian. Just ask Brian Smith.

Religion has nothing to do with race, feeble head.

> 3. Christians are not usually, primarily or exclusively
> "White".

True, most christians are colored.

> 4. If the "White Christian race" actually exists but it
> is in such danger of disappearance, it must not have any
> significant values worth preserving.

Blood is better than gold, capitalist ignoroid.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,bholstrm@ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 27 12:09:30 PST 1996
Article: 40721 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.clinton,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.nuke.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.islam,talk.politics.misc
Subject: ETHNIC CLEANSING USA
Date: 26 Dec 1996 17:00:06 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Here: Thu Dec 26 16:55:43 PST 1996
X-From: bholstrm@ix.netcom.com (Ben)
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> >I live in Queens, NY in a neighbourhood that was until
> >about 4 years a nice clean and safe Irish/German-American
> >neighbourhood. Then it changed almost over-night to a Hispanic
> >shithole.
> >
> >New things happened; first, the food stamp replaced the dollar
> >as the major currency, the standard lingo went from English
> >to a sort of gutter Spanish, the once clean streets started
> >filling up with piss, shit and broken beer bottles, it became
> >hard to sleep at night because of 24 hour piped salas "music"
> >and strangests of all, most old white folks started to get
> >killed by the new arrivals.
> 
> It's called the Los Angelecizing of NY.

Zoo City went down the tubes even before Los Angeles.

Why, the whole USA is quickly adopting the cultural and
intellectual traits of the Zoo.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,civil@anet-stl.com Fri Dec 27 12:09:31 PST 1996
Article: 40744 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.conspiracy,misc.immigration.usa,alt.politics.immigration,talk.politics.guns,alt.illuminati,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Powderkeg USA
Date: 26 Dec 1996 17:06:02 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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Here: Thu Dec 26 17:03:43 PST 1996
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Give them an inch and they take a mile; what they do and what
we should emulate.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,eseth@ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 27 12:14:30 PST 1996
Article: 53531 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.criticism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.sex,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: The Ruling Class, Media and the Genovese Incident
Date: 26 Dec 1996 16:36:21 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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> > > > When it comes to justices, we hear the media spout, "A black
> > > > man is being charged with the murder of ..." But when a white
> > > > man is charged with the same crime, it's, "A man was arrested
> > > > today for the ..."  Notice that race was not mentioned. Sadly,
> > > > the media is playing up the race issue.
> > > 
> > > This is exactly 180 degrees off the beam.  Some years ago,
> > > local news would always identify the race of the suspect.
> > 
> > Way back in the notorious Karen Valentine case in 1964 the
> > media monopoly has been lying on the race issue of crime.
> > 
> > Re: White Valentine was in an argument with her African American
> > boyfriend in front of a Jewish apartment complex in New York
> > city.  The Gentleman of Color started stabbing Valentine and
> > walked away leaving her crumpled up on the sidewalk.  He came
> > back ten minutes later and stabbed her some more; another ten
> > minutes passed and he came back and stabbed her in the third
> > volley of thrusts from the knife.  No member of the apartments
> > ever called and reported what was happening and happened, though
> > many of the Jews later reported that they sat and watched the
> > murder through their windows.  The police came well after the
> > fact; if the paramedics had gotten there shortly after the
> > first attack her life could have been saved; yet no one called
> > an emergency number while she was still alive; a pedestrian,
> > a white, reported to the authorities the corpse on the sidewalk.
> 
> Another '60s murder involving a white victim, Kitty Genovese,

That's the case I was talking about, but I forgot her name.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,spearman@netcom.ca Fri Dec 27 12:24:44 PST 1996
Article: 93047 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.misc
Subject: There are no communists in Israel.
Date: 22 Dec 1996 15:21:59 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.europe
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There are no communists in Israel.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,guivon@netvision.net.il Fri Dec 27 12:24:45 PST 1996
Article: 93061 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Israel's Anti-Slavic Policies
Date: 26 Dec 1996 17:08:51 -0800
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> Yehudah was the fourth son of Jacob and Leah and the father
> of the tribe of Yehudah.
> 
> There was also a Kingdom with the same name.
> 
> I don't understand what the question has in common with the
> subject line, but you asked a straight question, so you get
> a straight answer.

Glad to see you agree that pimps should be shot or imprisoned
for ten years hard labour.

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From varange@crl.com,schlafo@nevada.edu Fri Dec 27 12:24:46 PST 1996
Article: 93068 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.german,soc.history,talk.politics.european-union,alt.nuke.the.USA
Subject: The EU leading to War?
Date: 26 Dec 1996 16:54:33 -0800
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> :  According to this Schengen treaty Germany demands that the other members
> : change their laws to suit Germany. 
> : 
> :  Within the EU Germany has demanded that Denmark adopts the same 
> : legislation as Germany concerning the supression of dissident viewpoints on 
> : WW2. This is only one example on infringement on the sovereignty of
> : Denmark by Germany.
> 
> If the EU is to succed the EU nations need to adopt some of
> the same laws.  It's a bit like the US states. 

Which is why when, not if, but when a country decides to
withdraw from the EU war will ensue; the furure EU will not
allow member countries to succede from the union.

Will the EU lead to World War III?  Considering the frightening
weapans in Europe that are planned to be given over to
multi-national forces, and the urgent neccessity of member
countries to later withdraw, the EU and/or the UN could easily
lead to a devastating war.

ALL WARS ARE CAUSED BY INTERNATIONALISM!

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From varange@crl.com Fri Dec 27 12:24:47 PST 1996
Article: 93099 of soc.culture.german
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.crypto,alt.politics.ec,soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Latest Action of Fascist Germany - to ban Crypto
Date: 27 Dec 1996 09:23:40 -0800
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Subject: ALERT: GERMANY IS GOING TO BAN STRONG CRYPTO

This is to inform you of upcoming political activities of
the German government with regard to legal regulations of the
distribution and use of cryptographic technology, including
software (such) as PGP or the like.

According to brief notices published today by the weekly
newsmagazine "DER SPIEGEL" as well as by some daily newspapers,
last week a secret meeting of high-ranked officials was closed
with an urgent recommendation in favour of a strongly restricted
key-escrow crypto regulation.

The list of participators is said to have included Mr. Peter
Frisch, who is the head of the German Verfassungsschutz
(a secret service responsible for counteracting domestic
anti-constitutional activities in Germany), as well as a
Secretary of State delegated by the minister of domestic
affairs of the Federal Republic of Germany, Mr. Kanther, and
other Secretaries of State delegated by the local governments
of all of the 14 States of which Germany is comprised of.

It is said that up to now there is only a draft proposal which
will be subject to further consul(t)ations of the Cabinet
of the German government.  However, there are rumors saying
the German Cancellor, Mr. Kohl, intends to make decisions
immediately after the Christmas break in early January, 1997.

The envisaged crypto regulation would impose a *general ban*
on all distribution and/or use of cryptography with regard
to the German territory, including the German part of the
internet. This would, of course, also affect PGP. After such
law would have entered into force, even downloading PGP or
handing over a disk with a PGP copy would be illegal.

Legal use of cryptography would then be granted if and only if
a general license has been obtained by the manufacturer and/or
distributor of crypto equipment from some dedicated authority
for that crypto software and / or the crypto device. This
license will, in particular, require that

1) the secret keys are always escrowed by depositing them
in a secret official database which is accessible by secret
services and law enforcement authorities, and

2) also the source code of the crypto software is deposited.

Private as well as commerical use of cryptography will be
licensed only under these restrictions . . .

This means that anyone who actually has access to the secret
key escrow database, whether legal or not, would be able to
monitor all intercepted encrypted traffic and would as well
be able to fake any digital signature.  . .

A broad discussion among relevant experts outside secret
services and law enforcement authorities has shown
that such crypto ban is useless for fighting against
crime. This in particular holds because criminals might use
steganography. Moreover, it is not very likely that criminals
will decide to make use of any licensed crypto devices,
knowing that the secret keys are escrowed.

But why how and here this nervous attempt of the German
government to push back the ghost into the bottle? They seem to
feel that it is just only a question of months, or maybe one
year or so, until strong cryptography is so widespread that
any attempt to ban it would inevitably fail.  . . .  Most of
the private people in Germany are not aware of the internet
and any privacy problems related therewith. Please note that
Germany in general is five up to ten years behind the U.S. with
regard to penetration of the internet into everyday life.

Moreover, there is a big public discussion on organized crime
and domestic security promoted by right-wing politicans . . ."

(end of e-mail)

So what that means is that there is no more pretending.
Three hundred dissident websites, in no small measure headed
by the Zundelsite, are forcing the nefarious forces behind
the government of Germany to drop the pious mask of being a
"democracy" and advertising to the world just who runs whom -
and why.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day: "A Khazar Jew should never head the
Christian Democratic Party (CDU) nor be elected Chancellor
of Germany."

(Jan van Helsing in "Secret Societies and their Power in the
20th Century" - a book that has been banned in Germany after
it sold more than 100,000 copies in a short time)

________ ________ ________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/



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From varange@crl.com,Mail100@hotmail.com Fri Dec 27 12:53:42 PST 1996
Article: 103188 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.intercultural
Subject: WHY JEWS WANT TO CENSOR THE INTERNET?
Date: 26 Dec 1996 16:32:00 -0800
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> The ADL is calling for the censorship of the internet. I often
> wonder why?. I mean didn't the jews learned from world war 2
> about the dangers of censorship?. Since TBS was broughtout
> by the jewish own, time-warner, there are a major flood of
> holocaust movies. There are two side to every story but the
> jews only want their side to be told and that's all.

Jews learned from the Weimer Republic that failure to repress
antisemitism causes Jews to be killed.

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From varange@crl.com Fri Dec 27 12:53:43 PST 1996
Article: 103480 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Protecting the Jewish Community - Law
Date: 27 Dec 1996 09:43:37 -0800
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Reich Citizenship Law of 15 September, 1935

Paragraph 2

1) A Reich citizen is a subject of the state who is of German
or related blood, who proves by his conduct that he is willing
and fit faitlhfully to serve the German people and Reich

2) Reich citizenship is acquired through the granting of a
Citizenship Certificate.

3) The Reich citizen is the sole bearer of full political
rights in accordance with the Law.

Law for the Protection of the German Blood and Honour 15
September, 1935

Moved by the understanding that purity of the German Blood is
essential condition for the continued existence of the German
people, and inspired by the inflexible determination to ensure
the existence of the German nation for all time, the Reichstag
has unanimously adopted the following Law promulgated herewith:

Paragraph 1

1) Marriages between Jews and subjects of the German state or
related blood are forbiddeen. Marriages nevertheless concluded
are invalid, even if concluded abroad to circmvent this law.

2) Annullment proceedings can be initiated only by the State
prosecutor.

Paragraph 2

Extra-marital sexual relations between Jews and subjects of
the German state or related blood are forbiddem

Paragraph 3

Jews may not employ in their households female subjects of the
State of German or related blood who are under 45 years of age.

Paragraph 4

1) Jews are forbidden to fly the Reich or National flag or to
display the Reich colours.

2) They are, on the other hand, permitted to display the Jewish
colours.  The exercise of this right is proteced by the State.

Paragraph 5

1) Any person who violates the prohibition under Paragraph 1
will be punished by a prison sentence with or without hard
labour.

2) A male who violates the prohibition under Paragraph 2 will
be punished with a prison sentence with or without hard labor.

3) Any person violating the provisions under Parraphs 3 or 4
will be punished with a prison sentence of up to one year and
a fine, or with one or the other of these penalties.

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From varange@crl.com,Foghorn.Leghorn@doodah.doodah.com Fri Dec 27 12:57:37 PST 1996
Article: 529363 of talk.politics.misc
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Subject: Rush Limbaugh is . . . .
Date: 24 Dec 1996 20:20:25 -0800
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> >Rush Limbaugh is a liberal.
> >He and his kind want to let business do *anything* they 
> >want.
> 
> You are confused.  _Real_ liberals want to have total control over the
> business sector.

Limbaugh is a liberal at heart, like virtually all rich people.

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From varange@crl.com,Philippe.Schepens@ping.be Fri Dec 27 12:57:38 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.european-union,talk.politics.misc,talk.atheism,soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Global Citizens Are Incapable Of Resistance
Date: 25 Dec 1996 19:44:15 -0800
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> =>:Patriotism, like leadership, is more valuable than gold, and
> =>:something the "leaders" of Western countries seem to fear like
> =>:the plague.
> 
> =>And for a good reason, too. Patriotism, as I witness it daily
> =>here in the US, consists mainly of allowing part of the brain
> =>to be switched off, and let the rest be taken over by a mindless
> =>and continuous flow of propaganda from the media. 

That isn't patriotism, that's the global market doing its
dirty work.

> Patriotism has been at the origin (together with economic
> incentives) of TWO WORLD WARS which both have been fought *here*
> and *not* in the very territory of the US.

Au contraire, patriotism was merely used as a vehicle to enflame
the masses against specific foreign powers; the World Wars were
fought for the interests of *capital* not nation.  I wouldn't
*dare* to say the intersts of capital coincide with patriotism!

> Only mentally blind and deaf people can still see patriotism
> (and even worse, leadership) as a virtue.

Good patriosm good; bad patriotism bad.  Is that hard for you
to figure out?

> The day they will endure occupation of their own country by an
> ennemy, they will no longer advocate patriotism as a good thing.

Business will always side with capitulation as a policy towards
an invasion.

> It is the way how a governemnt renders the people eager to be
> killed in its place.

Do you know the difference between a means and an end?

> Patriotism is a sentiment which is bathing into the blood of
> millions of innocent people.

National weakness is what caused the deaths of tens of millions
in WWII; Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin *never* invaded anything
but nations weak to the gills with anti-national attitudes.

> How long will the world continue to be rules by bloody (in
> both senses of the word) *fools*.

Let's see; Europe and America are run by anti-patriots;
I agree that their supporters are fools.

Re: the Vietnam, Grenada, Libya, Iraq, Panama, etc. wars
were *not* patriotic wars but merely our traitorous business
community using aggressive force to get their way.

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From varange@crl.com,socinus2@aol.com Fri Dec 27 13:00:34 PST 1996
Article: 357644 of talk.politics.guns
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns
Subject: UN control of National Parks?
Date: 26 Dec 1996 17:15:53 -0800
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> Today I heard something that I would like to know more about,
> and that is that Nixon turned over control of our National
> Park System to the UN in '69, and that they control what
> happens in and around them. What gives????

It says in many "national" parks on plaques that the park is
managed by a Unined Nations project of some sort.

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From varange@crl.com,juggler@interlog.com Fri Dec 27 13:08:00 PST 1996
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: TPG & NA
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> As some of you know, I post to talk.politics.guns.
> 
> Today, Boxing Day, December 26th, I've noticed that Ian
> McKinney and Brian Smith are at it again.
> 
> It is the same stuff as they were posting on
> misc.activism.militia and it is just as off-topic on
> talk.politics.guns as it was on misc.activism.militia.

So?  Are we supposed supposed to be against them, Mr.
anti-militia activist?

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From varange@crl.com,whitepride@mailmasher.com Sat Dec 28 10:10:05 PST 1996
Article: 40967 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Miss. Black America?!?!?!?!??
Date: 27 Dec 1996 15:33:03 -0800
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> Why should there be a Miss "Black" America?  I don't see a
> Miss "White" America.  Racism at it's finest.

Well, who runs the beauty pageants, aesthetic scientists
or capitalists?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Dec 28 10:24:25 PST 1996
Article: 103643 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: Flo Weiss and the Seven Schwarzes
Date: 23 Dec 1996 09:26:25 -0800
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Flo Weiss and the Seven Schwarzes

Once upon a time, there was a beautiful Jewish American
Princess named Florence Weiss.  Because her parents felt she was
conceived during a European business trip, they named her after
the city on the Arno where her father had closed a big deal.

Sadly, Flo Weiss's mother passed away after suffering third
degree burns during her daughter's first Hanukkah candle
lighting ceremony.  So Flo Weiss was raised by her father and
his new wife, Senta the Yenta, who considered herself to be
the most beautiful Jewess in Long Island.  She had it all,
a tummy tuck, a nose job and a facelift.  Everyday she would
stand in front of the mirror in her bedroom, seperate from
her husband's, and recite:

        Mirror, mirror on the wall,
        Who's the most gorgeous Jewess of all?

Everyday the mirror would respond:

        O, yes, my dear,
        I swear tis true,
        In greater New York,
        There's no foxier Jew.

These words gave Senta the Yenta a daily ego boost, until one
morning, the mirror shocked her when it replied:

        Fair as you are,
        O zaftig belle,
        Flo Weiss is prettier,
        And she's younger as well.

Senta turned green with envy, then red with anger.  From that
moment on, whenever she laid eyes on her stepdaughter, jealousy
consumed her and she could think of nothing else but getting
rid of Flo Weiss.

Finally, Senta the Yenta came up with a plan.  She paid a visit
to her kosher butcher and persuaded him to cut out Flo Weiss's
heart and give it to her.  So the next day when Flo Weiss
arrived at the butcher shop, he cornered her and brandished
his meat cleaver.  But he couldn't bring himself to cut out
her heart because Flo Weiss looked so much like the pictures
he had seen of Anne Frank.

"Run away, run away, dear child," he cried.  "Get as far away
>from  here as you can!  Hide where Senta the Yenta can never
find you, for it is she who ordered me to kill you!"

After Flo Weiss had gone, the butcher took the heart from a
cow he had slaughtered and carried it to Senta the Yenta, who,
thinking the heart was Flo Weiss's, shrieked with delight.

Following the butcher's advice, Flo Weiss fled from the Long
Island suburbs and headed towards Zoo City.  Darkness was
falling as she reached Bedford-Styvesant, which terrified
her with its trash ridden streets, broken glass, nodding
drug addicts and graffiti scarred buildings.  Needing to
find shelter, she looked around for an unlocked door and
eventually found one at a rundown old place near a garbage dump.
What Flo Weiss didn't understand was that she had stumbled
into a crack house.

Seven roach infested mattresses were spread out on the floor.
On each mattress a different name was scrawled, Druggy, Thuggy,
Musky, Dusky, Funky, Nappy and Denzel.

Hungry and thirsty, Flo Weiss looked around for some
nourishment.  In the pantry she discovered a couple of fried
pork rinds, in the refrigerator one dried up barbequed rib and
two moldy pieces of fried chicken.  There was nothing to drink
but malt liquor, which she tasted, and tasted, and tasted again.
She tried to make a meal out of the slim pickings, but by now
she was too light headed.  She threw herself onto a mattress
and, even thougth it gave off a pungent odor, she quickly
fell asleep.

Flo Weiss dozed all night, but at the break of day, seven black
men appeared, all wearing brightly colored, but ill fitting,
clothes and baseball caps cocked at odd angles.  They didn't
immediately notice Flo Weiss, but Musky, who went right to
the refrigerator, noticed that someone had been nipping at
his private stock.

        "Hey, man, who be at my Colt .45?" he hollered.

        "Yo, yo, yo, what about ma ribs!" complained Thuggy.

        "My KFC!  Who be nibbling in ma chicken wings?" moaned
        Nappy.

        "Oh, ho, look who be sleepin in ma bed," noted Funky.

The ruckus the seven black men made awakened Flo Weiss, who
sat up on the mattress and looked around.

        "Schwarzes!" she exclaimed.

        "No, no, baby, we be da Bed-Sty Elite Boyz."

        "Whassa white bitch doin in da hood?" yelled an
        exasperated Druggy.

        "My name is Florence Naomi Weiss, but my friends call
        me Flo."

She then proceeded to tell the seven schwarzes how she got
her name, what Senta the Yenta had tried to do her and how
she fled from her home in Long Island.

The seven schwarzes held a conference.

        "Jewgirl, we got a proposition," said Denzel, the
        leader of the group.  "If you be doin work fo us,
        we let you hang."

        "A white maid!" exclaimed Musky, whose mother worked
        as a domestic all her life.

        "No, man, we don need no maid," replied Denzel.
        "We need someone to do figgers and cipherin, keepin
        track of what goes in and out.  We aint no good at
        figgers, and she's a Hebe.  Comes nachrel fo her."

Flo, who had done some bookkeeping for her businessman father,
readily agreed.  She even voluteered to cook the books, but the
seven schwarzes assured her that was unneccessary, as their
business didn't require the hiding of income.  In return,
the seven schwarzes agreed to provide Flo Weiss with room and
board so she could hide from Senta the Yenta.

So the seven schwarzes went out and engaged in all the
activities that gangs are known to engage in after dark.
They eventually returned home with lots of cash, though they
never told Flo Weiss where the money came from.  Though normally
very talkative, Flo Weiss knew when to keep her mouth shut.

Every evening when the seven shwartzes went out, she heard
them singing:

        Heigh ho! Heigh ho!  Round da hood we go!  Don't give
        us flack, just buy our crack, Heigh ho! Heigh ho!

        Heigh ho! Heigh ho!  Round da hood we go!  Yo on the
        dole, yo know yo want mo, Heigh ho! Heigh ho!

So Flo Weiss took care of the books at the seven schwarzes
crack house.  She stayed indoors, not daring to answer the
door in case it might be Senta the Yenta.

Senta the Yenta, having seen the cow's heart, had no idea that
Flo Weiss was still alive.  Senta the Yenta's husband, however,
who knew nothing about the heart, thought his daughter had been
abducted, so he arranged to have her picture printed on milk
cartons from a local dairy.  He missed his daughter, but he
soon accepted the fact that she was no longer part of his life.
Without her, he figured he would save a lot of money on clothes,
Miami Beach vacations and the tuition at Bennington.  Besides,
he was busy wrangling with his fire insurance agent.  The man he
had hired to torch his warehouse hadn't done a professional job.

Meanwhile, Senta the Yenta resumed her dialog with her mirror:

        Mirror, mirror, on the wall, 
        Who's the most gorgeous Jewess of all?

And the mirror replied:

        I tremble to tell you, O Jewess rare, 
        That once again, there is one more fair.  
        In the Bed-Sty ghetto where the schwarzes dwell, 
        Flo Weiss is still alive and well 
        You're not so bad, as Yentas go, 
        But Flo Weiss has that youthful glow.

Hearing this, Senta the Yenta was speechless with rage.
She knew now that the kosher butcher had decieved her and
that Flo Weiss was still alive.  Once again, she thought of
nothing else night and day but how to get rid of Flo Weiss.
First she had to find her whereabouts, and Bedford-Styuvesant
was a big place!

She devised a plan to use her considerable skills with makeup
to transform herself from a Jewess to a Negress in order to
avoid attracting attention to her search.  So she went to a
tanning salon and acquired a deep brown skin tone.  Then she had
some collagen injections in her lips to give her a more Negro
appearance.  A plastic surgeon was dumbfounded when she asked
him to inject fat into her buttocks rather than suction it out.
When he was finished with her, she looked like a homegirl!

Figuring that Flo Weiss wasn't able to obtain her favorite
beverage in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Senta the Yenta filled up
a pushcart with Dr. Brown's Cream Soda and hit the streets.
She went up and down Bed-Stuy calling out:

        "Dr. Brown's Cream Soda!  Fifteen cents a bottle!"

She knew the natives wouldn't want it at any price, but Flo
Weiss wouldn't be able to resist the bargain.

Sure enough, after several days of canvassing the streets,
Senta the Yenta passed close to the crack house where her
hated rival was hiding.  Flo Weiss heard:

        "Ice col Dr. Brown's Cream Soda!  Fifteen cents
        a bottle!"

She darted out of the house.  Such a deal!

When Senta the Yenta saw Flo Weiss running towards her, she
had difficulty controlling her temper.  But she remembered
she had to pretend to be a Negress.

        "Lawdy, Ise got a customer!  Honey, does you want a
        Dr. Brown's Cream soda?"

        "Oh, please, I'll take them all!"

It occured to her that she may be able to corner the local
cream soda market.

        "Oh, chile, you is makin dis ole soul happy!"

        "I love Dr. Brown's Cream Soda but there are no delis
        around here and I haven't had any for so long.  Oh,
        it's to die for!"

        "Yous right bout that."

Senta the Yenta helped Flo Weiss carry her cases of Dr. Brown's
Cream Soda into the crack house.  Once inside, Senta the Yenta
feigned exaustion.

        "Oh, dis heat jes gittin da best of me!"

        "Oh, please sit down.  And have some soda with me
        while you cool off."

Flo Weiss went into the kitchen to get some glasses and ice.
While she was absent, Senta the Yenta opened a bottle of
Dr. Brown's Cream Soda and quickly drank it down.  Then she
opened a can of Dr. Pepper she had smuggled in and poured it
into the empty cream soda bottle.

When Flo Weiss returned with the glasses, Senta the Yenta handed
her the Dr. Brown's Cream Soda bottle filled with Dr. Pepper.
Flo Weiss quickly drank it down.

Just as Senta the Yenta suspected, a young Jewish girl like
Flo Weiss couldn't stomach such a lowlife redneck beverage.
Flo Weiss began to get dizzy.  She sank to her knees, then
fell to the floor as Senta the Yenta cackled with delight.

When the seven schwarzes returned, they bumped into Senta
the Yenta as she was walking out of the house.

        "Yo mama!," laughed Funky.

        "That aint my mama," replied Dusky.

The seven schwarzes quickly figured out that the old black woman
was not one of their mothers.  Sensing something was wrong, they
went inside and saw Flo Weiss lying unconscious on the floor.
In no time, they went off in hot pursuit of Senta the Yenta, who
had a good head start on them, but the extra fat in her barrel
size thighs made it difficult to outrun the seven schwarzes.
When she made it to the nearest subway station, the extra
weight she was carrying gave her some unaccustomed momentum.
Unable to stop once she reached the platform, she bounced onto
the tracks just in time to meet the Rockaway Shuttle head on.

The seven schwarzes, right behind her, witnessed the grisly
event.  They jumped down onto the tracks to inspect what
was left of Senta the Yenta but found nothing in the way of
valuables or identification.

When the seven schwarzes returned to their crack house, they
tried to arouse Flo Weiss but had no luck.  Denzel, experienced
in such matters, reminded them that it was always difficult
to arouse Jewish girls.  So they tried as hard as they could
to be patient.  But as the days went by, the seven schwarzes
realized that Flo Weiss was not going to regain consciousness.
Perhaps Dusky summed it up best for all of them when he said:

       "Damn!  Dat bitch be dead!"

The seven schwarzes, who had seen plenty of corpses during
their careers, coudn't understand why this particular corpse
refused to decompose.  Superstitous to a man, they decided
not to dispose of the body as they would the routine corpse
that turns up in their line of work.

Musky came up with the theory that someone, some rival
gang member perhaps, had sent the old black woman, who was
probably one of those damn Jamaican immigrants, to put a curse
on Flo Weiss.  For this reason they decided to preserve Flo
Weiss in her zombie like state until such a time as the curse
was broken.  They gussied up Flo Weiss up and laid her out in
the basement where no one would see her.  Thuggy, who spent
too much time watching horror movies, believed she would wake
up and come after him like that crazy girl in The Exorcist.
Denzel calmed him down by reminding him that Flo Weiss was
Jewish, not Catholic.

Now at that time in Brooklyn there was a premed student, Morris
Prince, descending from grandpa Printz, who was having trouble
finding a wife.  An Orthodox Jew, he wanted to marry a Jewish
girl, but the ones he knew were so opinionated, so outspoken,
so obnoxious, so Jewish.

Now Prince's father owned some slums in Bedford-Stuyvesant and
during his summer vacation his job was to collect overdue rent.
As luck would have it, one of the slums he visited was the
crack house where the seven schwarzes lived.

        "Jewboy here fo da rent," noted Musky.  "Dat time o
        da month again!"

While Denzel went to the money hole to get some cash, Prince
waited in the living room.  He paced the floor nervously, as
he often did in his father's slum apartments.  Who knows what
these meshuga gorillas might do?  Suddenly, his foot trod upon
a rotten floorboard and his leg made a hole in the basement
ceiling.  Extricating himself, he peered through the hole in
the floor and caught a glimpse of the most beautiful Jewish
American Princess he had ever seen.  The seven schwarzes, having
heard the noise, came into the living room to see what happened.

        "Who is she?  What's the matter with her?"

        "Dat bitch be dead!" cried Funky.

        "She's not dead," said Prince.  "I can see the color
        in her cheeks from here.  I must get a closer look."

Before the seven schwarzes could stop him, he ran down the
basement stairs and was at Flo Weiss's side.

Flo Weiss, so silent, so demure, so unconscious, seemed
to embody the unquestioning obedience he was looking for
in a wife.  There she was, his ideal.  So near, yet so far.
He leaned over and whispered something in her ear.  Right away
Flo Weiss's eyelids began to flutter.  As the seven schwarzes
watched in amazement, she slowly sat up.

        "Man!" said Dusky, astounded.  "What you do to da
        bitch?"

        "All I did was whisper something to her."

        "What was that?"

        "Premed."

        "Say what?"

        "There's nothing like a Jewish boy in med school to
        get the attention of a Jewish girl."

Flo Weiss was so happy to be back among the living, she threw
her arms around Prince, who carried her away from the crack
house while the seven schwarzes raised their fists in the air
and hooted.

        "Righteous, baby, righteous!"

And Prince went on to medical school at New York University,
did his residency at Kings County Hospital in Brooklyn and
prospered from a lucrative psychiatric practice.  He eventually
married Flo Weiss and lived happily ever after among the Chosen
in the golden ghetto of Great Neck, Long Island.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,dckom@atlcom.net Sat Dec 28 10:34:32 PST 1996
Article: 50356 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Rich Jews are Fake Jews
Date: 27 Dec 1996 16:13:00 -0800
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> >What we all need to do is be a thorn in the eye of the servents
> >of the ruling class, the media monopoly.
> >
> >Real Jews are rebels; they question the authority of ruling
> >class members like the Lefraks, Bronfmans, Gates, Oppenheimers,
> >Grahams, Newshouses, Ovitzes, Spielbergs, Eisners, Warburgs,
> >etc.
> >
> >No doubt, the ones who defend our rulers are traitors, fakirs.
> 
> 	troybot, that why your web page is filled with national
> 	socialist propaganda?
> to defend working class jews?

Yes.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,trebor@sirius.com Sat Dec 28 10:40:28 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,news.groups,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Q: why not disallow cross-posting altogether?
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> >If you don't have a shell unix account with trn it's up to
> >you to get one rather than blaming usenet for your lack of
> >a decent account.
> 
> Or you could just get Agent (not FreeAgent). Its crosspost
> management is pretty intelligent. Turning the feature on,
> prevents any one article from showing up in more than one
> of your subscribed newsgroups. You can set it to check by
> Message-ID or by Subject/Author/Date/Lines. The latter is
> slower, but also eliminates alot of single posted spam (from
> all but one of the newsgroups).

But if you're doing a header search on non-indexed lines then
anything but "local" news is prohibitively slow because every
article in the spool has to be opened.

By contrast, putting something like this line in
$HOME/News/KILL:

/,/Hnewsgroups:j

is quite spiffy, even for a newsgroup like alt.flame.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,premed@itated.ued Sun Dec 29 23:00:15 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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> >>On 28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT, giwer@combase.com (Mathias Giwer, Senior)
> >[ Note: forgery originating from a Toronto Netcom POP, most likely by
> >marduk@netcom.ca ]
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >[ full headers snipped ]
> >
> >> Now that we have the full post, the management of
> >> netcom.ca, knowing full well that it is responsible for
> >> these posts continues to encourage them.  Pardon me,
> >> Matt, but did you ever actually file a complaint with Netcom
> >> when Marduk was posting articles under your exact user ID,
> >> back when you were also using Netcom?  Have you even filed
> >> a complaint at all, ever?  If not, you can hardly expect
> >> Netcom to know about the problem.
> 
> Netcom.ca is fully aware of the situtation and has been
> apprised of every event including that it was carrying
> the website and it was reminded that it had denied having
> anything to do with that website.
> 
> Yes, netcom.ca is responsible for abusing the net.
> Netcom.ca is run by kike scum but that was never in question.

I've complained a number of times to abuse@netcom.com,
security@netcom.com, abuse@netcom.ca, security@netcom.ca and
so have others but Netcom is a rogue ISP, as proven by their
multiplicatous actions.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,tavish@phoenix.net Sun Dec 29 23:00:16 PST 1996
Article: 89874 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,soc.motss
Subject: Homosexual Rantings
Date: 29 Dec 1996 13:27:23 -0800
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> Mark you are into autonomous homosexual activity. Would it be
> homosexual activity if a human was to do himself such as you
> see dogs doing when the clean themselves? Gunther and Elas say
> NO! Gerhardt says Mark would be A-sexual BUT not homosexual. Doc
> Tavish says John Sanger was still cruising in atl.skinheads so
> he advises: John this is Mark- Mark this is John now both of
> you go to the homosexual area of the net and leave us straight
> Nazis, Skinheads, Jews, and Gentiles alone. Thank you!

Ah, but there's no soc.motss.revisionism!  There should be!
I'd vote for soc.motss.revisionism if it was to be unmoderated.
Perhaps Mark can start an RFD or create alt.revisionism.motss.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com,eseth@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 30 10:00:50 PST 1996
Article: 89957 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.religion.islam,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Communism is Accepted Over Nazism- Why?
Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:04:27 -0800
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Fuck off, anti-communist scum.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,joelr@winternet.com Mon Dec 30 10:00:51 PST 1996
Article: 89960 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Why is JoelNazi obsessed with Hitler?
Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:18:32 -0800
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> I am nothing but a Nazi sexist swine.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,chuckf@rio.com Mon Dec 30 10:00:52 PST 1996
Article: 89963 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Hooray for Chuck!
Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:14:25 -0800
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Howdy, Chuck!  Lucky you are to meet the Russian comrades!
Comrade Stalin led a more patriotic nation than the USA
since the American Revolution!  Did you learn any tips from
our Russian brothers?  Comrade Stalin was a great leader and
ideologist, much better than capitalist scum like Roosevelt,
Eisenhower and Churchill.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,rcf@inetworld.net Mon Dec 30 10:42:52 PST 1996
Article: 41292 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Why Diversity-America Can't Work (Was Re: Powderkeg USA)
Date: 29 Dec 1996 14:53:51 -0800
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> >>| OK. I'll call your bluff.
> >>| 
> >>| Come visit me in beautiful Los Angeles.
> >>| 
> >>| I'll drive you down to Watts or Compton and drop you off.
> >>| 
> >>| You'll be unarmed, with $500 in your wallet.
> >>| 
> >>| Your task: walk two miles to where I'll pick you up---
> >>| if you survive.
> >>| 
> >>| Any time, day or night, your choice.
> 
> Okay; come visit me in San Diego.  I'll drive you to the
> inner city neighborhood of your choice and let you walk
> 2 miles.  Chances are you'll be just fine when I pick you
> up two miles later.  Not every city is Hell-A.

Strange how most liberals are more fearful of the ghetto
than rednecks.  I gotta go to the ghetto to get my skins to
bake real crisp.  And we gots hangouts in East Oakland, but
it's hard to drag my liberal friends there.

Let me tells you something, minorities are more chicken shit
than poor white men; it's how you carry yourself, as a gullible
liberal no nothing or as an emotionally racist white man.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,vayda.1@osu.edu Mon Dec 30 10:52:09 PST 1996
Article: 125792 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Powderkeg USA
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> > : You cannot dismiss the contribution that the US government
> > : has made to the 'state of tension and resentment' you
> > : have sensed. The class envy, tax policies, welfare and
> > : affirmative action policies that have been the focal point
> > : of our entire sociao-political system over the last 30
> > : years or so has left its mark.
> > 
> > It's not just the government. After all, big business is
> > bribing the politicians with the campaign money to maintain
> > the status quo of divisiveness. It's business that benefits
> > from cheap labour from * and Americans know it. There are
> > 3 culprits at work:
> > 
> > Government, obviously, with laws

And corruption.

> > Business, obsessed with profits at all costs

Mucho corruption.

> > Media, obsessed with sensationalism

Just another business.

> > All 3 form a huge ruling class that wants to maintain
> > divisiveness so people can't unite and demand change. It's
> > a case of the implimentation of the Willie Lynch Seminar(tm)
> > of the 1700's.
> 
> Dont forget the lazy people who feel uncomfortable to speak
> up about any big issues.  It is after all the citizens that
> allow all this to happen.....

Indeed.  But we have such a long history of it.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,dhu@xl.ca Mon Dec 30 10:52:10 PST 1996
Article: 125808 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,misc.immigration.usa,alt.politics.immigration,can.politics,soc.culture.canada,misc.immigration.canada,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Canada To Become Part Of The USA
Date: 29 Dec 1996 15:42:36 -0800
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It's likely that Canada and the USA will become united next
century.

The question is, who will do the unifying, patriots or
scoundrels?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,guardian@crl.com Mon Dec 30 10:52:11 PST 1996
Article: 125812 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.usa.constitution,misc.survivalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: GOVERNMENT: The Threat Of Anti-Constitutional Extremists
Date: 29 Dec 1996 16:46:34 -0800
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> : A national police force is bad, bad, bad. Too much concentration of power.
> : Even thou Janet Reno is the top cop, your local police are hired locally.
> : When police are hired and promoted under national authority we can then
> : spell our law enforcement, G-E-S-T-A-P-O
> 
> Local police are easily controlled by local capitalists
> and politicians but a national police force is beyond their
> interference.  American history is full of examples of corrupt
> and ineffective local police departments.  Apparently, the
> Waco police should be added to those examples.

Ha!  Local police are considerably more able and willing than
the feds.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,Mail100@hotmail.com Mon Dec 30 11:01:28 PST 1996
Article: 104069 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.south-africa
Subject: Will JEWS EVER GIVE UP SOUTH AFRICA?
Date: 29 Dec 1996 16:12:53 -0800
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> The diamond company, DE BEER , controls Southern Africa. Since
> the people who own and run De BEER are jewish. De Beer CEO
> Robert Oppenheimer is a jew and a major support of israel. we
> all know israel was a major supporter of South Africa during
> the Apartide years. Will the Jews at De Beer corporation
> ever give up their ownership of Southern Africa and repay
> the poor africans for loses they suffered for past 200 years?.

No.  Harry Oppenhiemer made tens of billions off Apartheid
and he has no intentions of giving it up.  He's made a pact
with the ANC, he'll support the ANC if the ANC supports his
"right" to rule the business world.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,sheldong@ziplink.net Mon Dec 30 11:01:29 PST 1996
Article: 104127 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish,israel.peacewatch,israel.lists.il-talk,israel.israeleft
Subject: Don't Free Yigal Amir!!!
Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:54:28 -0800
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Why not?  Amir is a hero of the people.  He should be honored
and given roses for his contributions to understanding what
needs to be done to combat cultural decay.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,antm@spdcc.com Mon Dec 30 11:01:30 PST 1996
Article: 104128 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Will the Children of the Intermarried Be Jewish?
Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:56:37 -0800
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Why take the risk?  Marry Jewish and be satisfied that you
made the right choice; no one's helped by random marriages.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,c626193@showme.missouri.edu Mon Dec 30 11:04:37 PST 1996
Article: 531414 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.org.un,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.misc,soc.rights.human
Subject: Supporting the United Nations: Reason #8
Date: 29 Dec 1996 23:04:27 -0800
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> >> Promoting self determination and independence - The United
> >> Nations has played a role in bringing about independence in
> >> countries that are now among its Member States.
> >
> >Ha!  The globalists *hate* independence!  See Foreign Affairs
> >for proof!
> 
> Ah, Jesse Helms must be a "globalist" then.

Helms is; do you doubt?

> >We know what your kind has in mind for the world!
> 
> Black helicopters?

Worse, free trade.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,agc@primenet.com Mon Dec 30 11:06:12 PST 1996
Article: 358580 of talk.politics.guns
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns
Subject: GUN REGISTRATION
Date: 29 Dec 1996 16:42:22 -0800
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X-From: Arne Carlsten 
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> : > Guns are misused, that's true.  Put restrictions on the people that
> : > misuse them, not me.
> : 
> : RR:  That's all I'm advocating... putting restrictions on people who
> : would misuse guns.  I've never advocating restrictions for non-violent,
> : law-abiding, responsible citizens.

What about the areas of the country where self defense is
essentially rendered illegal by the courts?  Smash a burglers
head in with a baseball bat and get sentenced to a ten year
prison term.

Legal self-defense *is* violence; it's just good violence
versus bad.

> What was that I seem to recall you posting just a handful of
> days ago about more magazine bans?  Discretionary ownership and
> carry permits?  "There's still the problem of concealed carry"
> or some such phrasing...
> 
> Just who in the hell were you planning on applying those
> restrictions to?
> 
> Gee, dude, I'm a law-abiding citizen, with no criminal history,
> no record of arrests or violent acts...  Couple college degrees,
> military and police training, a security clearance.

Same here, except for degrees, training, clearances and drunk
driving.  Should my status preclude me from defending myself
with a weapon?

> I'm kind to old ladies crossing the street, lost kitties and
> stray puppydogs...

Who hasn't?; criminals perhaps; they care about nobody but
themselves.

> Suppose it's cool with you if I want to buy a machinegun or two?
> 
> "No"?
> 
> Pray tell, why not?

Machine guns are lousy weapons, that's why; but there should
be no law against selective fires.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,rlglende@alink.net Mon Dec 30 11:15:31 PST 1996
Article: 50548 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Two Reasons we need the ACLU.
Date: 29 Dec 1996 22:30:07 -0800
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Here: Sun Dec 29 22:22:40 PST 1996
X-From: Lew Glendenning 
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> > 1. The government does indeed make mistakes & the mistakes are far more
> > numerous and vexing than merely taxes or 20 page forms to fill out.
> > 
> > 2. When the cops are opening your mail you don't really want William F.
> > Buckly Jr. to quote Edmund Burke. What you want is the cops to stop opening
> > your mail!
> 
> When the ACLU starts supporting the WHOLE Constitution,
> I will support the ACLU.  Until then, they are not even in
> the same league as the NRA as a Civil Rights group.  The NRA,
> for example, doesn't make up Constitutional theories.

The ACLU and the NRA go together like eggs and mayonaise!
Too bad they hate each other.

> The ACLU's client is no longer the Constitution (although they
> do some good work, and often side with the NRA).  They have a
> membership of vested interests, and this accounts for their
> recent actions in the CA Affirmative Action referandum.

Too true; the ACLU is rather arbitrary on "rights."

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,dleonik@accesscomm.net Mon Dec 30 11:26:39 PST 1996
Article: 121381 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.california,la.general,misc.immigration.usa,alt.politics.immigration,houston.politics,houston.general,phoenix.general,ny.general,miami.general,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Censorship here in America!
Date: 29 Dec 1996 14:58:39 -0800
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> I was just called by my server, accesscomm.net, that they
> are not going to allow me to use their server because of my
> 'anti-semetic' viewpoints.

Your "server" called you?  How, an e-mail?

Post the e-mail, dude.  This may be a serious case of net
abuse by accesscomm.net.

> No doubt, my article concerning the coming War in the Mideast
> had something to do with it.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,speaker@cinenet.net Mon Dec 30 11:26:39 PST 1996
Article: 121391 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.california,la.general,misc.immigration.usa,alt.politics.immigration,houston.politics,houston.general,phoenix.general,ny.general,miami.general,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Censorship here in America!
Date: 29 Dec 1996 15:02:00 -0800
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> :I was just called by my server, accesscomm.net, that they are not
> :going to allow me to use their server because of my 'anti-semetic'
> :viewpoints.
> :
> :No doubt, my article concerning the coming War in the Mideast had
> :something to do with it.
> 
> And, consistent with the reasoning on your favorite Web page,
> you distort the facts by calling this decision "censorship".
> Your provider, a commercial entity, has the right to determine
> what sort of postings are appropriate from its users.

Admins have no right to be capricious.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,tskirvin@uiuc.edu Mon Dec 30 11:30:00 PST 1996
Article: 32343 of alt.usenet.kooks
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,alt.fan.speedbump,alt.usenet.kooks,uiuc.test,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Interesting observation...
Date: 29 Dec 1996 15:46:23 -0800
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> Today's interesting information: there is a news server called
> boursy.news.erols.com.

nslookup shows it to be the same as news.erols.com.

> 	Well, I'm entertained at least.

Entertaining but hardly original.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,llurch@stanford.edu Tue Dec 31 09:10:41 PST 1996
Article: 90067 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism,soc.history,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Who's Doing the Zgram NSWPP Forgeries?
Date: 30 Dec 1996 13:10:36 -0800
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Most likely it's Dick Graves, a sociologist at Spamford,
who's started accounts at cts.com and earthlink.net to do
perfect forgeries that can't be done from remote servers.
What a maroon; what a Dick!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,womack@nntp.best.com Tue Dec 31 09:10:42 PST 1996
Article: 90075 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Who's nutsier, Womack or Giwer? - Joel
Date: 30 Dec 1996 13:14:39 -0800
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Joel is an ignorant lazy rich parasitic fascist capitalist
pigot and a lousy writer who probably got AIDS while sucking
the publishers dick.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,rblackmore@juno.com Tue Dec 31 18:36:11 PST 1996
Article: 90309 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism
Subject: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: 31 Dec 1996 15:13:10 -0800
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Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca control:211055 soc.culture.europe:52290 alt.revisionism:90309

Did someone actually do a satire of that Beatles song?

I'll work on it, on my own version.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,dsf3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU Tue Dec 31 18:36:58 PST 1996
Article: 41585 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.conspiracy,misc.immigration.usa,alt.politics.immigration,talk.politics.guns,alt.illuminati,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Powderkeg USA
Date: 31 Dec 1996 15:00:52 -0800
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Here: Tue Dec 31 14:58:34 PST 1996
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> >>   Ever notice how the liberals usually live in nice, safe (often
> >> Jewish) enclaves?
> 
> Ever notice how racists tend to live in trailer parks?

Fuck you, capitalist scum.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com,msimon@rworld.com Tue Dec 31 21:09:27 PST 1996
Article: 104613 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Gen. Barry McCaffrey Threatens California and Arizona Physicians
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Read "Drug Warriors and Their Prey:From
Police Power to Police State"
by Richard Lawrence Miller , Praeger ISBN 0-275-95042-5


This is a thoroughly researched historical parallel between Nazi
law and modern drug law, between the searching out of Jews and
the searching out of drug users, between the denial of
employment to Jews and the denial of employment to drug users,
between the confiscation of Jewish property and the
confiscation of drug users' property, between the incarceration
of 1% of the German population, and the incarceration of
hundreds of thousands of drug users and distributors.

Miller points to the use of the Jews in the development of the
Nazi state. "Jews," as a category of people, served as a focus
for fears that were used to justify the expansion of state
powers. He points out that a critical step in finding 	a
solution to "the Jewish question," or "the Jewish problem," was
the creation of	a consensus among Germans that there WAS a
Jewish problem. "Jews" were said to cause crime, spread disease
by sexual promiscuity, and undermine economic productivity. It
was said that "Jews" were terrorists and created emergencies
that warranted powerful new laws. Bureaucratic rivals within the
German state competed for power, prestige, and resources by
developing newer or more dramatic anti-Jewish measures than
their opponents.  Political rivals within the Nazi establishment
competed for attention in making new claims that the  "Jews"
were a threat, that they were creating a crisis in German
society that demanded a solution.

Similarly, the contemporary need to find a solution to the drug
"problem" has been carefully constructed, with the assistance of
the news media, the educational establishment, business groups,
and special interests. There is, however, no moral or
constitutional justification for present policies that attempt
to define an entire "troublesome" class of people (drug users),
persecute them, and banish them from society.


Most of the above text was written by Eric Sterling and E.J.
Pagel.

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Charles Fiterman  wrote:

>In article ,
>Matthew Gaylor  wrote:
>>From: freematt@coil.com (Matthew Gaylor)
>>Subject: Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey Threatens California and Arizona Physicians
>>
>>Former U.S. Army General drug czar Barry McCaffrey appeared on CBS's "Face
>>the Nation" this Sunday morning [12-29-96] to intimidate physicians in
>>California and Arizona who might prescribe medical marijuana for their
>>patients.
>>
>>Gen. McCaffrey made several veiled and not so veiled threats that included
>>pulling the doctors license to prescribe drugs and to using the DEA to
>>investigate them.
>>
>>In a further affront to the wishes of the people President Clinton is
>>scheduled to release the entire McCaffrey assault plan on Monday
>>[12-30-96].

>There are several workarounds to the government workaround.

>1. Make it a dangerous felony to interfere with doctor patient relationship
>   by interfering with a doctor's right to prescribe as he sees fit. This
>   means if someone dies as the result of the felony its murder one. Make 
>   it clear that expected and covered consequences are suicide to escape
>   pain and violent death of bystanders due to drug gang violence.

>2. Say that anyone claiming a doctor recommended some drug cannot be
>   prosecuted and this is to protect doctors. This will be changed when
>   the government agrees not to prosecute doctors.

>Attempting to communicate with government is simply a waste of time and
>energy we have to hurt the bastards back.


In the end people get the government they deserve.

Read "The Weapon Shops of Isher" by A.E. vanVogt

Simon



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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Time not to UDP Panix
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Panix was already IPD'd; they call it SYN attacks; the culprits
lucked out on getting away with their felonies because of
Panixs neglecting to call the police until it was too late.

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