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In <505e4c$hfu@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! bob whitaker  writes:
! >Konrad Vandegaer  wrote:
! >>
! >>Question:
! >>
! >>The reason moran is so obsessed with denying the Holocaust story is:
! >>
! >> 	A: So that the world will know the horrors of bigotry and malice?
! >
! >       Are you saying that if Hitler, a dedicated totalitarian, 
! >had not been a racist, he would have been a really sweet guy?
! 
! This is a ludicrous question. Hitler's totalitarianism was a vehicle for
! his racism. See Mein Kampf or the OSS papers:
! 
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hitler.adolf
! 
! There have been non-racist totalitarians, yes, and they were not nice
! guys. I do not believe that Hitler's racism could be separated from his
! totalitarianism, however, because the former motivated the latter.
! 
! Today's power-mad totalitarian wannabes, like Pierce, Metzger,
! Covington, and so on, are not Hitlers. I get the feeling that they yearn
! for the days when Hitler could order the murder of twelve million human
! beings because they love power, not their "race." Look at Tom Marcellus of
! the IHR. He used to be active in the Scientology cult. They're just
! different means of scapegoating, to bring out and harness the worst in
! other people.
! 
! Hitler, I think, was different. Deeply psychotic, he really believed. 
! Those who really believe as he did will be driven to genocide as a natural
! consequence of their hatred for humanity; those who cynically pick
! scapegoats to amass money and power will commit genocide capriciously.  I
! would say that Hitler's totalitarian terror motivated by race was worse
! for the world than petty totalitarian greed, because its propaganda was
! more enduring. Petty despots die, and unless they have established a firm
! succession, their regimes disappear; but the disease of hate based on
! "race" outlives its founder.
Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  1 08:33:20 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In <50avt4$11i8@sol.caps.maine.edu> scotterb@maine.maine.edu (Scott Erb) writes:

! In article <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, zenoink@ix.netcom.co says...
! 
! >Joel Rosenberg:
! >
! >Are you saying that Gerhard Lauck DID something that led to his current
! >situation?  That is, something analogous to burning a cross on YOUR
! >lawn (as opposed to his own, with permit?)  Please post what that was. 
! 
! I don't know what Joel would say, but I would say that Lauck certainly did 
! deserve to be imprisoned because by sending Nazi propaganda to Germany he 
! knowingly broke German law.  He knew the laws.  He knew where he was sending 
! the pamphlets and the like.
! 
! >I, for one, do not like many of the things posted here, but would not
! >even consider the possiblity of promoting prison for expressing ideas
! >with which I disagree.  (There are PLENTY of those--the US would be
! >half-empty!)
! 
! OK, but each country has its own laws on such things.  You may not want 
! German laws here, but the laws exist there, and Germany has the right to 
! enforce them.  That right exists under international law (the concept of 
! 'sovereignty'), and can only be abridged by the United Nations security 
! council.
! 
! >It is far better that Lauck be allowed to talk and that his ideas be
! >shown up for what they are.  Suppression leads to martyrdom which can
! >help lead on to victory.  
! 
! I'm an ACLU member and a firm believer of freedom of speech in this country. 
! However, I'm not a German, and I understand why Germany has tough laws 
! against neo-Nazi propaganda, and how it is spread.  Whenever a U.S. citizen 
! violates the laws of another country, and leaves this country, he or she is 
! risking their freedom.  We can't very well impose American laws on the rest 
! of the world!

Yes we can.  Americans are the ones who wrote and forced Germany's 
anti-racist laws down their starving throats.  Americans have been the 
primary country that forced anti-racism and capitalism on the rest of the 
world.  It is certainly acceptable for Americans to force other countries 
to eradicate anti-racism in law and deed.

Unjust laws deserve to be broken.  The right to assert racial values is 
an absolute right.  We whites were born racist and must fight against 
anti-racism.


--
I marvel at the resilience of the white people.
Their best characteristic is their desire to learn.
No other people has such an obsession with the intellect.

           TO MY WHITE GIRL

           I love you
           Because you're white,
           Not because you're charming
           Or bright.
           Your whiteness is a silky thread
           Snaking through my thoughts
           In redhot patterns
           Of lust and desire.

           I love you
           Because you're white.
           Your white skin
           Is what dreams are made of.
           White is
           The skin of nobility.
           You're my Cleopatra,
           My Eva Braun,
           Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
           Of the burning cross.
           Loving you thus
           And siring your children that look like you,
           My heart is made for you.
           In happiness and duty.


                      +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                       +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
              +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  1 08:33:21 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <50be8v$pk3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! In article <32292492.831@snet.net>, Moose  wrote:
! 
! >The "denouncement" spoken of is much less a 
! >ideological refutation than a statement of realism or simply a 
! >disenchantment with method rather than Kliems coming around to a more 
! >multiculturist POV. I'm not sure what the intention of the post was, I am 
! >after all new to this group, so if the author could clarify I would 
! >greatly appreciate it. 
! 
! Perhaps what Mr. Kleim missed, during his rather brief
! "retirement" from the net, was the publicity he enjoyed while
! he was here.
! 
! I suspect that Mr. Kleim's spots haven't changed, but his methodology.
! 
! If, in fact, the "movement" exists simply to exploit the
! cannon fodder, then I would not be remotely surprised to see
! Mr. Kleim initiating his own "organization," perhaps with the
! help of that other "ex" militant, the, er, Reverend, Ronald
! Schoedel. If there's exploiting to be done, I suspect Mr.
! Kleim would prefer doing it himself.
! 
! The very method employed by Mr. Kleim to disseminate this
! latest set of missives - avoiding crossposting to move than a
! small group (three, this time around) at a time, thus
! effectively throttling response and forcing users to run
! across his "message" over and over again - precisely the
! technique Kleim earlier advocated for his fellow Nazis...
! those techniques suggest nothing more than Yet Another Scam by
! Mr. Kleim, rather than some sort of repentance of the
! "movement."
! 
! I would prefer being wrong about this - it would be nice to
Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  1 08:33:22 PDT 1996
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Unjust laws deserve to be broken, no ifs ands and buts.  Germany's 
internet access should be shut down for violating American law.

International warrants should be issued for the leaders of the German, 
Singaporean and UK governments for violating the law of the USA.  Equality!


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  1 10:03:38 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <505bb9$h78@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Rich Graves) writes:

! spotlight@webbindustries.com writes:
! >Surely you've read about the "Global Elites" who are plotting to take
! >over the world. You've seen the names "Trilateral" and "Bilderberg"
! >and dismissed them as the products of conspiracy theorists with too 
! >much time on their hands. Unfortunately, this just isn't the case.
! 
! This is true. With so much time fabricating wacko conspiracy theories,
! they have no time to go outside and get a breath of fresh air. Hence
! this post.
! 
! >Visit the Unofficial Spotlight Homepage today at:
! 
! FRAUD!
! 
! The OFFICIAL home page of The Spotlight is
! http://nethomes.com/Miracle/Spotlight/Spotlight.html
! 
! Only there can you find out about the MTV Mind Control Plot. Your
! "Unofficial" home page gives a totally unrepresentative view of the
! Liberty Lobby and the efforts of its founder, Willis Carto, against
! the Jews.
! 
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/c/carto.willis
!  http://www.pafb.af.mil/deomi/ll.htm
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/ihr/ihr.faq1
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/ihr/ihr.faq2
!  http://www.pafb.af.mil/deomi/na.htm
! 
! -rich
Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  1 10:39:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In <50bvj5$1104@sol.caps.maine.edu> scotterb@maine.maine.edu (Scott Erb) writes:

! In article <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com>, ka_strom@ix.netcom.com says...
! 
! >Mr. Lauck is an American citizen. He was "convicted" of exercising his 
! >right to free speech.
! 
! International law is complex, but I have never seen so much ignorance of it 
! works as in these posts.  If one violates the laws of other countries, one 
! can be prosecuted in those countries if they manage to get their hands on 
! them. Lauck violated German law, and Germany was able to get ahold of him.  
! Basta.  That's perfectly legal.  The "right" to free speech as Americans 
! understand it is relatively unique in the world, and if we send our ideas to 
! other countries -- even using their postal system -- we'd best be prepared to 
! find that sometimes we could be punished if we leave our country and go 
! elsewhere.  That's reality.  That's international law.
! 
! >It is a disgrace to the American government because, for political 
! >reasons, the current regime has not seen fit to lift a hand or even open 
! 
! Wrong again.  Any look at international law will show that states do not do 
! much for their citizens when arrested for violating another country's laws, 
! even if those laws are different than American laws.  It would have been 
! unique -- and in my mind a disgrace -- if the U.S. government somehow got 
! involved in this case.  Again, please do some reading of international law 
! and precedents in this regard before you post.  You are simply demonstrating 
! ignorance of the issues at hand.
! 
! >Do you, Mr. Rosenberg, advocate or condone the imprisonment of those with 
! >whom you disagree, as your post seems to imply?
! 
! Nothing in his post implied that.  He simply understands international law 
! and this particular case better than you do.

Liar.  The government can stick up for the rights of her citizens.  It is 
a very Jeffersonian thing to do to stick up for Gerhard Lauck.  Germany's 
and Singapore's internet connectivity should be shut off for violating the 
leit motif of the internet.

It certainly appears that Wilhelmian Germany was a freer nation than the 
repressive Germany of today.


--
I marvel at the resilience of the white people.
Their best characteristic is their desire to learn.
No other people has such an obsession with the intellect.

           TO MY WHITE GIRL

           I love you
           Because you're white,
           Not because you're charming
           Or bright.
           Your whiteness is a silky thread
           Snaking through my thoughts
           In redhot patterns
           Of lust and desire.

           I love you
           Because you're white.
           Your white skin
           Is what dreams are made of.
           White is
           The skin of nobility.
           You're my Cleopatra,
           My Eva Braun,
           Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
           Of the burning cross.
           Loving you thus
           And siring your children that look like you,
           My heart is made for you.
           In happiness and duty.


                      +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                       +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
              +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  1 10:39:37 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: WP Martyrs (was: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed...?)
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In  robk@rio.com (Rob Kowalewski) writes:

! Now, it seems to me that there might be a connection between the success
! (or lack thereof) of the WP movement, and the public figures they hold up
! as being worthy of emulation. Maybe they could take a cue from Wheaties.
! The "Be Like Mike" ad campaign was enormously successful, convincing
! young'uns that emulating Mr. Jordan would be in their best interest.
! Perhaps this is because Mr. Jordan has some qualities that attract large
! numbers of people. But "Be Like Lauck"?

The world needs more hero intellectuals like Julius Streicher and
Joseph Goebbles.  Gerhard Lauck is a step in the right direction.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <5052rr$5gg@viper.txdirect.net> kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! In article ,  
! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! [Sara]
! 
! >! If that's so, why haven't we exterminated little gnats like YOU, Skippy?
! 
! I know the answer to that one - we keep folks like Mr. Harman around for their
! entertainment value.
! 
! Sort of like an endless supply of Internet Al Bundy's, jumping at the
! end of their strings when we pull them.
! 
! What do I win, Sara?
! 
! >"We?"  I doubt your a ruling class member, Sara, your just as much their 
! >slave as I am. 
! 
! See what I mean? Mr. Harman, a Noble Aryan Warrior, is, ipso facto,
! a slave, and he knows it. In keeping with his kind, he cannot relate
! to a reality beyond his own personal slavery, ergo, everyone must be as
! morally corrupt/estranged as he is. His limited powers (forgive the
! word - nothing really fits) of perception (forgive the word -
! nothing really fits)  of perception (forgive the word - nothing
! really fits) are simply incapable of providing a realistic
! world view. That is precisely why he remains a "slave."
! 
! He intuitively feels his inferiority, particularly where Jews
! are concerned, but the reality of his inferiority won't permit
! honesty - in his world, _everyone_ must be as inadequate and
! inept as he - ergo: "slaves."
! 
! Such is the failure of his perceptions that the only master he
! can conceive  he cannot even define - it is quite beyond his
! capability.
! 
! >It does look like the white race will be extinct by 2100 unless 
! >racists successfully fight the ongoing genocide.  One requirement for 
! >whites is to sire/bear more white children.  The more white children the 
! >better! 
! 
! 
! Early Aryan, I'd guess... it tranlates (roughly) as follows:
! "I'm such a loser that no decent woman will have me, but if I
! can find one as stupid as I am, maybe I can get her into bed."
! 
! If the only option is more children like Mr. Harman, Mr.
! Griswold, Mr. Schoedel, Mr. Moran, and all of the Troll, then
! a pox on their house. The sooner folks like that give up sex,
! the better of society will be.
Fuckhead.  The real Ken McVay is going to be pissed that your making fun of him.


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In <505d76$hd3@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! [half the audience trimmed]
! 
! mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
! >>
! >> People grow out of cults all the time. Why is this so hard to accept?
! >
! >Oh, I don't know... Maybe it was the part about how...
! >
! >"...Deep down, every Aryan male within the "movement" feels an
! >unmistakable sexual frustration. Especially so unattached males, but
! >nearly all males in general. It's a matter of "darkie getting blondie.
! >...He who denies this is a liar."
! [...]
! >However, amusement aside, it looks like Miltie _is_ trying to get _some_
! >kind of life. Certainly not kind _I'd_ want, but one that is- at first
! >glance -an attempt at better one than _he_ had before.
! >
! >Maybe. It's really too soon to tell, IMO. You know those cults- hard to
! >break _all_ those bad habits they instill overnight....
! >
! >Like being a racist.
! 
! Yes, well. There's time. I'll take what I can get. I'm much happier where
! he is now, and I don't believe he's trying to pull a Duke.
! 
! I will continue to treat Milton as a reasonable human being. That he
! still considers at least half of my friends to be less than human is a
! matter for his own conscience.
! 
! -rich
Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  1 23:23:42 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Gun Control Is Unmanly -- Case Closed
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 09:28:24 PDT 1996
Article: 61611 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In  karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! 
! >Yes we can.  Americans are the ones who wrote and forced Germany's 
! >anti-racist laws down their starving throats.  
! 
! Hate to tell you this, oh Odoriferous Blob of Shit, but Germany has been
! far from starving for some time. If the Germans object to any laws which
! others at some point forced on them, they are certainly capable of 
! repealing them. Or of neglecting to enforce them, for that matter.
! 
! Y'know what sticks in my craw? That researchers like Christopher R.
! Browning and Daniel Jonah Goldhagen are still forbidden under German
! law of using the actual names of perpetrators of the Holocaust in their
! writings, in order to protect the privacy of such perpetrators. (They
! must agree not to identify these scum in order to get access to German
! archives.)

So do you now see the errors in censorship?  Nope, I guess not.  Germans
are the leaders of internet ignorance.  I suppose they fear their own 
potential.

Is what you said about Mr. Goldhagen being censored true?  Are the 
editions distributed in America uncensored?

Germany's net access should simply be shut down until they decide whether
to abide by internet rules enforcing freedom.  Their persistent nation-wide
net abuse should no longer be tolerated.
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 09:28:24 PDT 1996
Article: 61632 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

! In article , Joel Rosenberg wrote:
! >
! >Well, yes, he did.  He violated German and Danish law by sending Nazi 
! >propaganda into their countries.  
! 
!   Nonsens. He did not violate any Danish laws by sending propaganda to 
! Denmark. If he had done so he would have been convicted while being in 
! custody in Denmark. His American organisation is still printing the 
! magazine "Faedrelandet" (The Fatherland) of the Danish Naziparty. The content 
! of this magazine is fully legal in Denmark. *He had not violated any laws in
! Denmark*. Just ask those courts that allowed him to be extradited. He was
! extradited because of German political pressure and intimidation. The 
! Americans can never imagine how it has always been for small Denmark to have 
! such an unpleasant neighbour country. The USA has the strongest army in the 
! world and is armed to the teeth nuclear weapons and has not to fear anyone. 

My understanding is that Denmark has similar anti-racist laws as other
countries, but simply chooses not to enforce it.  America has a ton of
unenforced laws, such as the state laws that carry a death sentence for
getting an abortion.

America is a fortress protected by a meter thick of armor plate, but
inside is rotton to the core.  We definately have something to fear of
our leaders in government and business!
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 09:28:25 PDT 1996
Article: 61633 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In  olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

! In article <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI>, Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
! > That is not the case, if the Nazis take over, everyone
! >loses their rights, possibly for good. Therefore I view protecting the
! >Rights of Nazis as either naive or willful support of their ideas.
! >
!  This is the way that Joseph McCarthy and the Commitee against 
! Anti-American Activities in USA in fifties spoke about communism. Nazism is 
! even much more unlikely to take over anywhere today than communism was and 
! still is. Germany is an openly paranoid country with political prisoners
! and disgrace for democracy in Europe.

Joseph McCarthy was wrong, there's good and bad in every group and if he
put that belief into practice, he would have expelled his "advisors" who
double crossed him, and exonerated some communists as traiters, because
some were patriots.  I can't see anything inherently bad in a mere
economic theory, it's inane interpretations of socialism/communism that
*require* conquering the world and exterminating seperate nations that is
the actual evil.  There's *nothing* in capitalist or communist economic
theories that even *imply* that the white race must be exterminated or
that national borders must be erased before an individual nation can
improve itself.  But the way the so-called leaders of both systems talk,
mankind was created to exterminate seperate races, case closed!
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 09:28:26 PDT 1996
Article: 61636 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: The Giwerdly Lie'n: Still a Liar, Still a Coward
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In <50d32v$f4r@viper.txdirect.net> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay) writes:

! In article <4vd9kk$e93@access5.digex.net>,
!  mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
! 
! >http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
! >http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html
! 
! Mr. Stein has forgotten one of the earlier "Giwer Classics,"
! which he, himself offered the world on June 24, 1996.
! 
! It is available on the web as ~/giwer-matt/lies/thousand-dollar-wager.html
! and contains a wager which clearly and concisely challenged
! Mr. Giwer to put up or shut up.
! 
! This was the first of two such offers - Mr. Giwer bravely
! turned and fled in abject shame from both of them.
! 
! The conclsuion, based upon Mr. Giwer's cowardice, can only be
! that he is, indeed, a liar, as charged.
! 
! In the first instance, Mr. Stein challenged Mr. Giwer to a
! $1000 wager - that being that Mr. Stein would prove, before a
! neutral arbiter of the American Arbitration Association, that
! Mr. Giwer was in fact a liar.
! 
! Mr. Giwer ran for the hills.
! 
! In the second instance, I offered to employ a forensics
! laboratory to prove that Mr. Giwer was, in essence, a
! (surprise!) liar. For evidence of this, see 
! http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
! 
! Mr. Giwer ran for the hills.
! 
! --
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! --------------------| An Electronic Holocaust Educational Network
! kmcvay@nizkor.org   |--------------------------------------------
Fuckhead.  Quit pretending to be Ken McVay
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 09:28:26 PDT 1996
Article: 61644 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: McVay, down by the school yard
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In <3229c6be.7977197@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

!                         [repost]
! 	
! 	Moran had posted recently "What is "trolling"? 	
! 			
! >	I see a lot of dubbing of "troller" or "trolling" out here. What
! >does that mean? 
! >	Hold it! Don't just post something and say 'Heres an example'.
! >You have to post the example and then show that it is trolling.
! 
! 	Ken McVay responded:
! 
! "I am not surprised that you do not understand, given your
! inability to use the English language properly, brush your
! teeth, enjoy normal sex, or understand something if you _do_
! manage to read it. You are simply too stupid to deal with it.
! 
! There. See if you have brains enough to figure it out, Morin.
! (Somehow, I doubt it.)"

Oh, just ignore *him*.  That's not the real Ken McVay, that's that 
Skippy racist charactor pretending to be an anti-revisionist to make
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 09:28:27 PDT 1996
Article: 61646 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Internet neo-Nazi activist denounces "movement"
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In <3229543c.17729844@news> pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:
Fuckhead.  Why are all your types conservatives?
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 10:55:42 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: All Norvegians Live In Igloos And Fjuck Rjeindeer
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In <50b35i$404@tofu.alt.net> rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) writes:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In <508cfq$36j@tofu.alt.net> rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! azzy@nowhere.anywhere.somewhere.edu (Azzy) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >In article <321BB266.73BB@yourwallet.empty.gov>, IRS Agent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> Azzy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > In article <321B1330.AFB@xi.netcom.com>, Raoul Xemblinosky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> >  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > Azzy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > In article <321AFD9B.679E@xi.netcom.com>, Raoul Xemblinosky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > >  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > Yong H. Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > Azzy (azzy@nowhere.anywhere.somewhere.edu) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : In article <321AE826.233@ix.netcom.com>, CouncilOf3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > Neheb-ka-f wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > Sekhmet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > In article <3219FC40.1490@tammyfaye.ptl.com> "Rev. I. $awyer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : Browneye"  writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >Sekhmet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> In article <01bb8e32$70607820$47f21fcc@default> "Jake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > The Snake"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > :  writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >IRS Agent  wrote in article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> ><3217E7B4.47A7@yourwallet.empty.gov>...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> The Feeder of Trees wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > Slow Belly Dog wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > bright yellow gun wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > James Nguyen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > On 16-Aug-96 08:14:53, John Gasmann Jensen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : (johngj@sn.no) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >James Nguyen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> On 14-Aug-96 05:51:12, John Gasmann Jensen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > (johngj@sn.no)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> >James Nguyen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Please do not cross-post.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> >why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >why do you ask why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > Why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > Why not crosspost or why not ask why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > Me too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> Me three.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >Me four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >> Me five.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > >Me eleventeen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > > Me seventy-eleven or something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > > Lutefisk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : > loony
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > : jealous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > > booger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > > phlegm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > > lonely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > > mucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> > lonely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >> blarrf. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! >lonely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! Fuckhead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Head Fucker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shpxurnq.  And please configure your newsreader not to CC by mail.
Fuckhead.
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 10:55:44 PDT 1996
Article: 36402 of alt.skinheads
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.skinheads,aus.flame,austin.flame
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: All Norvegians Live In Igloos And Fjuck Rjeindeer
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <3213E7AD.7286@sn.no> <448.6803T703T2582@netspace.net.au> <32151813.5B9F@house.tornado.net> <32165FAA.BAB@mindspring.com> <321681DF.7635@baby.silvertooth.com> <3217E7B4.47A7@yourwallet.empty.gov> <01bb8e32$70607820$47f21fcc@default>  <321A62F9.2DAB@hathor.aeol.com> <321AE826.233@ix.netcom.com>  <4vf7t3$4vi@netnews.upenn.edu> <321AFD9B.679E@xi.netcom.com>  <321B1330.AFB@xi.netcom.com>  <321BB266.73BB@yourwallet.empty.gov>  <508cfq$36j@tofu.alt.net>  <50b35i$404@tofu.alt.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:59:37 GMT
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In <50b35i$404@tofu.alt.net> rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! >In <508cfq$36j@tofu.alt.net> rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) writes:
! 
! >! azzy@nowhere.anywhere.somewhere.edu (Azzy) wrote:
! >! 
! >! >In article <321BB266.73BB@yourwallet.empty.gov>, IRS Agent
! >! > wrote:
! >! 
! >! >> Azzy wrote:
! >! >> > 
! >! >> > In article <321B1330.AFB@xi.netcom.com>, Raoul Xemblinosky
! >! >> >  wrote:
! >! >> > 
! >! >> > > Azzy wrote:
! >! >> > > >
! >! >> > > > In article <321AFD9B.679E@xi.netcom.com>, Raoul Xemblinosky
! >! >> > > >  wrote:
! >! >> > > >
! >! >> > > > > Yong H. Lee wrote:
! >! >> > > > > >
! >! >> > > > > > Azzy (azzy@nowhere.anywhere.somewhere.edu) wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : In article <321AE826.233@ix.netcom.com>, CouncilOf3
! >! >> > 
! >! >> > > > > > : wrote:
! >! >> > > > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > Neheb-ka-f wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > Sekhmet wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > In article <3219FC40.1490@tammyfaye.ptl.com> "Rev. I. $awyer
! >! >> > > > > > : Browneye"  writes:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >Sekhmet wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> In article <01bb8e32$70607820$47f21fcc@default> "Jake
! >! >> > The Snake"
! >! >> > > > > > :  writes:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >IRS Agent  wrote in article
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> ><3217E7B4.47A7@yourwallet.empty.gov>...
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> The Feeder of Trees wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > Slow Belly Dog wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > bright yellow gun wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > James Nguyen wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > On 16-Aug-96 08:14:53, John Gasmann Jensen
! >! >> > > > > > : (johngj@sn.no) wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >James Nguyen wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> On 14-Aug-96 05:51:12, John Gasmann Jensen
! >! >> > > > (johngj@sn.no)
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> >James Nguyen wrote:
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Please do not cross-post.
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> >why not?
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >> Why?
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > >why do you ask why?
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > > Why not?
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > > Why not crosspost or why not ask why?
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > > Yes.
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> > Me too.
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >> Me three.
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> >Me four.
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >>
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >> Me five.
! >! >> > > > > > : > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > >Me eleventeen?
! >! >> > > > > > : > > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > > Me seventy-eleven or something?
! >! >> > > > > > : > >
! >! >> > > > > > : > > Lutefisk.
! >! >> > > > > > : >
! >! >> > > > > > : > loony
! >! >> > > > > > :
! >! >> > > > > > : jealous.
! >! >> > > > > >
! >! >> > > > > > booger
! >! >> > > > >
! >! >> > > > > phlegm
! >! >> > > >
! >! >> > > > lonely.
! >! >> > >
! >! >> > > mucus
! >! >> > 
! >! >> > lonely.
! >! >> 
! >! >> blarrf. 
! >! 
! >! >lonely.
! >! 
! >! Fuckhead.
! >Head Fucker.
! Shpxurnq.  And please configure your newsreader not to CC by mail.
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 13:53:24 PDT 1996
Article: 306723 of talk.politics.guns
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,alt.flame
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Gun Control Is Unmanly -- Case Closed
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References:  <322A524E.A22@cris.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:47:15 GMT
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In <322A524E.A22@cris.com> BANG  writes:

! Dave Harman OBC wrote:
! > 
! > This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
! 
! I second the notion.  I really distrust anti-gun males.  They seem to
! have an aversion to getting their hands dirty, things that make noise,
! and physical exertion.  Take a look at anti-gunners like Josh Sugarmann
! and Richard Aborn - paunchy, soft, anal retentive.  They probably never
! got dirty as kids, wore knickers, went to a spinster aunt's house for
! the summer, cried during "Ol' Yeller," had all Bobby Goldsboro's hits,
! never changed a spark plug, never threw a baseball, were too afraid of
! worms to fish, and pissed their pants while watching "The Exorcist."
! 
! Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of women who are avid shooters.  But,
! due to the way females are socialized in this country, one could almost
! expect them to be anti-gun.  But, there is no excuse for a male to be
! anti-gun.  Being anti-gun and male indicates a serious personality flaw.

I love women shooters!  Women radicals are certainly more attractive to 
my eyes than anti-gun women!
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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  2 15:11:50 PDT 1996
Article: 61718 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Kan Harman Klean up his act?
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References:    <50chdu$i5d@jerry.loop.net> <50ctqm$2iu@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:43:30 GMT
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Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:71205 alt.revisionism:61718

In <50ctqm$2iu@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
Fuckhead.  FOAD, nazi scum
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 13:21:22 PDT 1996
Article: 61938 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,alt.society.conservatism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.democrats.d
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: What the H*ll's left in Iraq to bomb, craters?
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <50cb8q$3de@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <841759139snz@drmac.demon.co.uk> <322C5A5C.6201@division.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:28:46 GMT
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In <322C5A5C.6201@division.co.uk> Chris Longhurst  writes:

! Duncan R. MacMillan wrote:
! > 
! >         How much is Saddam Hussein being paid to conduct his bomb-dropping
! > escapades at such a convenient time?
! 
! As I understood it, he didn't bomb anything. He marched on the Kurds
! with 300 tanks and 45,000 troops calling it a "minor exercise", and
! executing political prisoners. The Americans retaliated with cruise
! missiles this morning from the Carl Vinsen fleet in the Persian Gulf,
! and some in the Red Sea.
! 
! Nobody's dropped bombs yet AFAIK. Of course, there's always time.
! Especially where Sad-and Insane is involved.
! 
! You're right though - isn't it just a little bit too much like
! coincidence that he should do this in US election year.
! 
! BTW: For the conspiracy theorists out there: Anyone notice how the Ebola
! outbreak last year coincided with the film "Outbreak", or how the
! discovery of life on Mars this year coincided with the film
! "Independance Day" ? Just idle musings :-D

Why does war somehow automatically raise a president's stature among 
the commoners?  Because most Americans have a foolish trust in 
authority.  You can *never* trust a corrupt government, *especially*
when the government is doing exactly what it wants to do!
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 13:21:23 PDT 1996
Article: 61956 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: mmmm, lauts
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:02:32 GMT
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Sender: qut@netcom11.netcom.com

! HERMANN GRING 
! 	Gring was accused of creating the concentration camp system and

On my PCXT the above umlauts appear as a graphics charactor and a
division sign, respectively.

I'm curious how umlauts appear on other's systems.  Here's mine:

Zndel
ZNDEL
Gring
GRING
fort
FORT




ב 

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Subject: mmmm, lauts

! HERMANN GRING 
! 	Gring was accused of creating the concentration camp system and

On my PCXT the above umlauts appear as a graphics charactor and a
division sign, respectively.

I'm curious how umlauts appear on other's systems.  Here's mine:

Zndel
ZNDEL
Gring
GRING
fort
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 13:21:24 PDT 1996
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In <50gmdh$e1n@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

[["'] deleted!  These are all facts!]

! KURT GERSTEIN 
! 
! 	Kurt Gerstein is often referred to as a Holocaust witness; however,
! this is not correct. By witness, one normally understands a person
! who has seen something and who appears to testify as to his personal
! knowledge; Gerstein did not do that. Gerstein was an unsworn affiant
! or deponent, which means that he is simply a name appearing at the end
! of a statement typewritten in French, which he may or may not have
! written. (Document 1553-PS rejected at Nuremberg) (VI 333-334
! <<371-372>>, 362-363 <<398- 399>>). 
! 		
! 	One of the stories current about Gerstein is that he wrote the
! statement in Cherche-Midi prison, in France, and committed suicide,
! after which his body disappeared. 
! 
! 	It is far more probable that the statement was written in French by a
! German Jewish interrogator-interpreter, and that some of the
! inconsistencies (such as winter occuring in August, or being in a car
! in one sentence, and a train in the next) resulted from imperfect
! transcription of the notes of interrogation into affidavit form. In
! minor war crimes trials and Japanese war crimes trials, unsworn
! statements of this kind are fairly common, on the theory that they
! possess probative value but less weight than sworn statements. It
! is also possible that Gerstein died of injuries sustained during
! interrogation . . . . 
! 	This document was later extensively quoted in the Pohl Trial, where it

But the Soviets had a constitution!  It was a free nation!  Just like
America!  Just like France!  Just like the United Kingdom!  No way the
Kurt Gerstein confession could have been faked!  That would have been
illegal!

! was proven that Treblinka had 10 gas chambers (1553-PS) and 10
! steam chambers (3311-PS) in the same camp at the same time.
! =====
! 
! There's no business like Shoah Business
! Like no business I know.
! Everything about it is appealing,
! Everything that traffic will allow.
! No where can you get that happy feeling
! Than when your stealing
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 13:55:27 PDT 1996
Article: 448805 of talk.politics.misc
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Legalize Drunk Driving!
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In <3225D16D.5B5C@HP-USA-om1.om.hp.com> "Brenda A. Tighe"  writes:

! Koro wrote:
! >  
! 
! 
! > 
! > I would expect simply having your driving privelages revoked (that
! > period in which one cannot drive should be a very long time) would be
! > punishment enough.
! >                                         KORO
! 
! 
! The problem with this is that people tend to continue driving without
! their licenses, hoping that they don't get caught.  It amounts to the
! proverbial "slap on the wrist", and is greeted with yawns by many drunk
! drivers.  In order to be an effective deterrent, the potential punishment
! needs to be more severe.

Why?  The theory is that drunk driving causes accidents, not that drunk
driving itself is a traffic accident.  Why not prosecute only drunk
driving that actually causes an accident?  Driving While Intoxicated
restrictions are like the drug laws, prosecuting millions of people who
have done nothing wrong in itself.  Why should *risks* be illegal?  Why not 
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In <504uml$9i4@paperboy.ids.net> zarlenga@conan.ids.net (Michael Zarlenga) writes:

! Brenda A. Tighe (brenda_tighe@HP-USA-om1.om.hp.com) wrote:
! : > I would expect simply having your driving privelages revoked (that
! : > period in which one cannot drive should be a very long time) would be
! : > punishment enough.
! 
! : The problem with this is that people tend to continue driving without
! : their licenses, hoping that they don't get caught.  It amounts to the
! 
! And when they DO get caught, driving on a revoked license, it's
! off to jail in many states, as a mandatory minimum sentence.
! 
! In my state, a second offense for driving on a SUSPENDED (not re-
! voked) will get you 9 days in the ACI and a $1,000 fine.  Those are
! the minimum sentences.  For a revoked license, I presume it's at
! least as bad.
! 
! 
! : proverbial "slap on the wrist", and is greeted with yawns by many drunk
! : drivers.  In order to be an effective deterrent, the potential punishment
! : needs to be more severe.
! 
! How much more severe?

What people forget is that normal people have a *much* more difficult time 
with being incarcerated than criminal types.  Professional criminals
laugh off being arrested, but even a day in jail for a normal person
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 20:10:21 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jewrassic Park
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In <50h6j0$am9@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! 	JewRasic Park had been seeded with a miiiion US.  It is good to see we
! can indebt tuture generations for the fun of it.  After all, we do it
! to pay for the medical care of our parents, who not for the pet peeve
! of Spielberg>

Oh, did you think that we're going to hear about the Holocaust
forever?  They'll move on to something else when they feel the
time is right.  It's always a wonder what a corrupt  society's
going to do next, yes?

! =====
! 
! There's no business like Shoah Business
! Like no business I know.
! Everything about it is appealing,
! Everything that traffic will allow.
! No where can you get that happy feeling
! Then when your stealing
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 20:10:21 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: McVay and PORNOGRAPHY
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In <322c74af.10309628@news.spry.com> klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:

! On 3 Sep 1996 09:32:16 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
! 
! >Concerning Mr. McVay's remarks re:  Julius Streicher 2-PORNOGRAPHER
! >
! >Mr. McVay...I am not asking for your definition of pornography.  I
! >already mentioned that in my first post.  Streicher was accused of
! >being a pornographer, like Larry Flynt, or Al Goldstein of "Screw"
! >magazine.  Please don't divert the reader from the direct subject.

Do you mean that the Strmer was designed to sexually stimulate the
reader?  I doubt it.

Is Holocaust propaganda designed to sexually stimulate Jews?  So many
of the descriptions of the Holocaust good and bad guys seem like it's
designed to impassion Jewish sensibilities, with especial emphasis on
physical sensations.  That the whole affair could be a masked sexual
repression of either natural or twisted feelings should be given 
weight by sociologists.  Wilhelm Reich warned what what was happening
to his 
patients, who happened to be Jewish.  One of the masked sexual desires
that Mr. Reich frequently observed with his psychicly impotent patients
were the fantasies about being dragged through flames at the moment of
the sexual peak, shorting out what was otherwise proceeding normally.
How common is this today?  There are many symptoms of the same problems
now as there were then in Austro-Germany of the thirties.  This is 
angle to the pschic charges that so many feel today that should be
studied by diligent sociologists.

! No, Mr. Belling. YOU are trying to define the definition of pornograpy
! in terms of Larry Flint or Al Goldstein. The definition has been given
! to you. You just don't wish to accept it.
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 20:10:22 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Are there any non-Jew-hating revisionists?
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In <50fvfl$5hd@orion.cybercom.net> amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) writes:

! I've been following this group for some time and it appears to me that all the 
! revisionists who post here are overt Jew-haters.  I suppose this follows given 
! that in order to believe the revisionist line one has to accept that there was 
! and is a massive Jewish conspiracy involving the Holocaust.  If this notion is 
! accepted then what are the involved Jews except evil?  
! 
! However, no one in this newsgroup has been able to provide a coherent version 
! of this supposed conspiracy;  so I'm forced to conclude that revisionists 
! are Jew-haters first and revisionists second, not the other way around.  
! 
! Are there any revisionists around who don't think Jews are evil or who don't 
! hate them?  

Tom Moran, Matt Giwer and Duncan Coons don't hate Jews one way or 
the other.  I'm not a revisionist or a Jew hater, I like the
Jewish religion, it's just their race leaves something that needs to be 
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 20:10:23 PDT 1996
Article: 62039 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Whites Created Everything
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In <50gkgu$ff3@gyda.ifi.uio.no> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) writes:

! In article <50ekrh$mth@gyda.ifi.uio.no>, christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) writes:
! > 
! > In article <01bb9851.bcdb9260$8da11dcb@peasant>, "Ourobouros"  writes:
! > > 
! > 	[snip]
! > 
! > > To re-iterate; look for information concerning the Wusun dynasty of China.
! > > The Wusun dynasty is the most blatant of non-yellow rulers over China.
! > > There are other discrepancies as well, for example, how did the (now
! > > extinct) Indo-European language, known as Tocharian, become 
! > > dominant in East China for x centuries.
! > 
! > Couldn't find anything on the Wusun dynasty on the net. I'll call back later
! > if I find anything elsewhere...
! 
! OK; here's what I got; The chinese dynasties were knownby their family names.
! Chinese family names (including the imperial ones), are one-syllable only.
! "Wusun" has two syllables, and is therefore not the name of a dynasty.

Could he have been talking about either of the Wu or Han dynasties,
or the city of Wuhan, also called the Han Cities?

! As for your "blond, blue-eyed" mummy; well, it is possible that a northern
! european woman ended up in China, probably as somebody's concubine. How you
! can construct an entire "white" culture from a single mummy is beyond me...

Liar.  There were scores of aryan mummies discovered in the most recent
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 20:10:24 PDT 1996
Article: 62042 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Nomination: The Right Reverend Colin James III for Kook of the Month
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In <322C396B.210A@superlink.net> "P.L."  writes:

! Rabbi Shlomo Ruthenberg wrote:
! 	Wait, wait? You mean that Andrew Mathis is a J4J???? This guy 
! has been telling us that he is a CONVERT to Judaism??? Please, Please 
! tell me more.

You mean he was born Christian, converted to Judaism, and now has
joined Jews for Jesus?  What a flake!  Time to send Samuel Goldberg
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From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep  3 20:10:24 PDT 1996
Article: 62049 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Nomination: The Right Reverend Colin James III for Kook of the Month
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In <50hke5$ek9@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

Pesach,

Keep your shirt on.

Point your browser to www.wetware.com, and follow the staff links
under Matt Legare and find out just who Colin James III is.

Thanks, but where does it mention Dr. Fuckhead?!???  Are we supposed
to figure this out ourselves?
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:41 PDT 1996
Article: 62056 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: {Anti-}{Dr. Fuckhead|Rich Graves} And The Forgery Attacks
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In <50hke5$ek9@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! Pesach,
! 
! Keep your shirt on.
! 
! Point your browser to www.wetware.com, and follow the staff links
! under Matt Legare and find out just who Colin James III is.
! 
! Then ask around,and find out how many J4Js I've run out of here.
! 
! And finally, just because I'm not Jewish by your standards, doesn't
! make me not Jewish.  And no, I'm not a Xian, Xtian, or a Christian,
! for that matter.

Andie, that forgery was either Dr. Fuckhead, or someone trying to pin
the blame on the good doctor.  I'm glad {s}he posted it, it was funny
and it also gave a hint who did the forgery of Ingrid.  Either 
someone out to get him, or the doctor himself, if so, he lives in
New York City too!  Maybe you can meet your secret admirer!

Now if it's someone out to get the doctor, I'd pin the blame on
Rich Graves, because of his obssessive hatred of Ingrid, in which 
he did the post so it could be blamed on Dr. Fuckhead, who
perhaps would hate Ingrid too, because she has written many times
about how her family was hurt by Russians and Jews.  Dr. Fuckhead
may be Jewish, you know, since 80% of immigrants from Russia this
generation have been Jewish, because Jews have first priorty in
USA immigration law.
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:42 PDT 1996
Article: 62071 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: McVay and PORNOGRAPHY
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In <50gtv0$t3a@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com writes:

! Concerning Mr. McVay's remarks re:  Julius Streicher 2-PORNOGRAPHER
! 
! Mr. McVay...I am not asking for your definition of pornography.  I
! already mentioned that in my first post.  Streicher was accused of
! being a pornographer, like Larry Flynt, or Al Goldstein of "Screw"
! magazine.  Please don't divert the reader from the direct subject.
! I asked for specific proof that this man was a pornographer, in a sexual
! sense, and confirmed by his very own publications, and or judgements
! against him on these charges in any court before Nuremberg.  Can 
! any of you provide this proof or not?

No, he can't.  So far as I know, Mr. Streicher's works have never been
republished.  I hope there are more copies in existence than the secret
issues in the German musuems, secret in the sense that they won't allow
the public to ever see it.  So Mr. McVay, or anyone else, cannot give
an honest answer one way or the other.

Considering how many billions of books and articles have been written
about Third Reich related subjects, *all* original Third Reich works
should be republished so people can get a more accurate picture of the
era than what is available as the interpretations of the era currently
produced by the media monopoly.
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:42 PDT 1996
Article: 62077 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: The Missing Polish Jews-I wonder who's missing you now..
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In <32284032.995021@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

Obviously there was considerable widespread and organized backlash
against the Jews by civilian partisans, even after the war. What
brought it on we may never know, but the usual recommended procedure
would to investigate so it didn't happen again. This would mean that
maybe the Jews should look into it to see if they played any role in
creating the resentment.  

When every side of a world war prectices lying and censorship
for decades, it makes it damn hard to figure out the facts only
listening to one side!  In any case, the Western Slavs suffered
more and {w}[ae]re a higher quality people.  The mere fact that 
Jews think of themselves higher and dryer than everone else, 
does not make them so, but does make them more deserving of
defeat than peoples who are more humble!  Recall how nazi racial
theorists openly thought of the entire German people within the
then borders as racially inferior to the aryan race, and 
therefore efforts should be directed to improving the best of
the German people, the near aryans, most of leaders, who weren't.
That is hardly the delusional grandeur of Jewry!
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:43 PDT 1996
Article: 62079 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In  robk@rio.com (Rob Kowalewski) writes:

In article <50eth2$2sc@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu
(william c anderson) wrote:



> I don't know anyone in the "PC crowd" who admires Farrakhan.  In fact,
> almost everybody I know considers him a ranting, lunatic racist.

?  That says something about the types you circulate with.  I like
folks of every class group other than the top such and such percent.
Perhaps you restrict your friendships to a select crowd.  Lighten up
dude, it ain't healthy.

I pretty much agree with ya, Bill. Trouble is, though, when Farrakhan
rants that the "government created the AIDS virus to destroy Blacks", and
then we read in respectable newspapers that the CIA funded the flooding of
Black communities in LA with crack cocaine, he doesn't sound THAT far off.

He isn't.  He's only wrong about our society and who the good and bad guys
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:44 PDT 1996
Article: 62082 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer - privacy advocate (not!)
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In <50fm22$kl2@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! 	Giwer, what the fuck did you post this stuff for? Even assuming that it
! is accurate, why? You had a feeble excuse the last time - you claimed Ken had
! hassled your father for information on you; now you have no excuse. (As it
! turned out, Ken did not make the phone call in question.)

Gee, do you think it's OK for Mr. McVay to pound on Ingrid's front
door, a move which cannot possibly have a purpose other to harass?

Ken McVay eggs on the net abusers, whoever actually does the dirty
deed.  Posting whois data is no privacy violation at all, it's about
the same privacy violation as posting someone's finger output!  That's
why I think the posts of whois was senseless, rather than abusive of
privacy.  Complain to internic.net if you feel otherwise.  It's 
interesting how the whois information has since disapeared for Nizkor.

! mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
! >McVay, Kenneth (xxxxxx)                kmcvay@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:45 PDT 1996
Article: 62092 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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In <506uor$57@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Alexander Baron (A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk) wrote:
! : 
! : why not send an E-mail to comminc@fortnet.org and ask Colonel Roberts himself.
! 
! No, that won't do, Al.  You told us you would post, within a week,
! evidence that "eight banks with Jewish names" own the Federal
! Reserve.  Instead, you just posted a lot of vague assertions that
! the Fed is too powerful--a point I agree with, by the way.  

He did feeble-head, he *changed his mind* with more research within
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:46 PDT 1996
Article: 62096 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Fuckheads
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In <4vvaqq$t08@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! truthfull@aol.com (Truthfull) writes:
! >White people are *not* the quickest at picking up on being
! >duped,fooled,used,bamboozeled
! 
! But they do figure it out, just like everyone else.
! 
! That's why Milton Kleim, Les Griswold, and droves of other former members
! are abandoning William Pierce's little totalitarian cult, the National
! Alliance. That's why you can't find a single person posting anything
! favorable about the National Alliance under their real name.
! 
! Being white has nothing to do with it. Pierce is just in it for the power
! and money. I doubt he really believes much of the nonsense he spouts off,
! any more than the Scientologist cult leaders believe the Xenu stuff. At
! least Pierce doesn't rape his young male followers, like Ben Klassen did.
! 
! The National Appliance home page is
! http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
! 
! -rich
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:47 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: INEVITABLE
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In <322461d3.2416974@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

! 	The demise of the Holocaust story as fact is inevitable. It is on

They'll just move on to something else, the central themes of
the Holocaust have nothing to do with the Holocaust per s.  When
nothing's changed, and in a way, nothing will.  The status quo
will not permit another way.  Guarateed.  Both sides.
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:48 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Left Wing Radicals Obsessed with Race
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In <50es51$5uk@news.sentex.net> Barry Bruyea  writes:

! Because it's all they have left. All other components of their 
! philosophical approach to social and economic issues have been totally
! discredited and fallen into the realm of bankruptcy.  Racism is their
! new watchword, catchword, mantra, and the sole reason for hanging on to
! their unrealistic beliefs.

You got that reversed.  Racism is the new watchword all right, but
there's nothing wrong with communist economics, and their social
ideas work with some issues, but not others.  It's been discredited,
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:49 PDT 1996
Article: 62114 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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In <501r7a$4tc@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! I don't know what to say about this, Al.  Nowhere in this long,
! disjointed screed did I find even a scintilla of evidence that the
! fed is owned by "eight banks with Jewish names."  Am I missing 
! something?

OK, they're Jewish, but none of their names are!  And leadership
of Chase Manhatten was handed down to a Jewish successor.  The
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:49 PDT 1996
Article: 62118 of alt.revisionism
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In <50i0iv$6ml@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! Ingrid Rimland said:
! 
! >"Would someone please suggest to them if they really want to find out how
! >wicked we are, to subscribe to the ZGram?"
! 
! They don't need to subscribe. They're on Usenet, hence searchable in
! DejaNews. Anyone can find the Yahooligans Conspiracy, the Hitler and Hess
! worship, the "mushy mind floating in the fourth dimension," the "Why we
! are so blatantly anti-Semitic," and "ZOG" posts. 
! 
! The only complaints I've heard about this have come from your side.

Liar.  I object to your sides methods, but agree that it ought to be
posted, but by *her*, only.  Friend, this is net-abuse, you could have
asked her courteously, instead of your blatantly harassing style and
methods you played with with talk.politics.natl-socialism .  If I didn't
know any better, I'd've done the same, but with your side as victim.
There are private Holocaust mailing lists devoted to countering 
revisionists and racists.  Is there some sort of built in dishonesty to
your side?  Oh yeah, there is, I almost forgot what I've been saying!
Forgetful me!

Since your tactic of posting the list in any case, I think she should
post it herself, at least to these two groups, expanding and 
contracting the Newsgroups: line to follow the topics presented.  She
should get her side to harass your side using the same tactics, to
help get even, but whatever.  Your harassment of Ron and nswpp noted.

As for your claim she doesn't post just because she'd have to waste
so much time defending every post, has that been true so far?  Hell,
she could be posting the Z-list to cpunk remailers herself, instead
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:50 PDT 1996
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In <50iqfp$dgu@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> rbeck@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) writes:

! Dave Harman OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! [much snipped]
! : ...80% of immigrants from Russia 
! this : generation have been Jewish, because Jews have first priorty in
! : USA immigration law.
! 
! Extraordinary claims (leaving aside the definition of "this generation"). 
! Considering Soviet and post-Soviet anti-Semitism, the first sounds 
! plausible. The second does not. Please provide evidence.

The USA immigration law is explicit on the subject.  Refugees have
preference over others in the law.  Eighty percent is the quota 
allocated to Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union.  Of the refugees
>from  the former USSR, in other words, eighty percent must be Jewish.
And of the total number of immigrants from the former Soviet Union,
eighty percent happened to be Jewish.  I've seen this in the news.
You probably have too.  I've only seen in reported in highly positive
presentations by the news.  So have you.  You believe news items
shouldn't be taken out of the original contextual bias of the 
original items.  I do.  That's all the proof I care to provide, 
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:51 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Who owns the Fed? Baron answers his critics
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In <50golg$93j@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   Alexander Baron  writes:
! >  In article <5035g7$slf@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
! writes:
! >  
! >  
! >  > The slight factual content of
! >  >  his 
! >  > post show only that Lyin' Al was aware:
!  
! >  >         1.  That the Federal Reserve System is not a single entity 
! >  > but is composed of 12 banks and a board of governors.
!   
! >  Conspiracy theorists such as Gary Allen claim that the New York bank is the
! >  real power and that the others are white elephants. Allen's book - right or
! >  wrong - was endorsed by at least one leading American Jewish conservative.
! 
! 	I do not care what a nutcase like Allen thinks about one of the twelve 
! banks; I would like the proof you promised that the Fed was owned by eight 
! banks with Jewish names.
! 
! 	By the way: do you know what a "white elephant" is?  I doubt that 
! even a nutball like like Allen described *any* federal reserve bank as one.
! 
! 
!    
! >  >         2.  That those banks are owned by the "national" banks in the region 
! >  > in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the 
! president.
! 
! 	No answer from Lyin' Al.
! 
!  
! >  >         3.  That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks 
! >  > is a "fantasy."
! 
! 	No answer from Lyin' Al.
! 
!  
! >  >         It should be noted that the post which began those thread was wrong 
! >  > and that Lyin' Al agreed with the main facts of that post.  He disagreed only
! >  >  with 
! >  > the statement that Jews owned those banks.
!  
! >  >         The "Phamphlet" that Lyin' Al is selling is pathetic even by his low 
! >  > standards.
!   
! >  On the contrary it contains a detailed rebuttal of many anti-Semitic fallacies
! >  and was reviewed favourably by LOBSTER, the parapolitics magazine.
! 
! 	I have never read LOBSTER.  If they favorably reviewed your 
! compilation of letters from the lunatic fringe, I doubt I would ever wish to.  You still 
! have not presented a single word to indicate that the Fed is owned by however 
! many banks with Jewish names.
! 
! 	--YFE
Fuckhead.  Allen has harsher terms than that!
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:52 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <841318193snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron  writes:

! In article <501r7a$4tc@lendl.cc.emory.edu>
!            libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu "william c anderson" writes:
! 
! > I don't know what to say about this, Al.  Nowhere in this long,
! > disjointed screed did I find even a scintilla of evidence that the
! > fed is owned by "eight banks with Jewish names."  Am I missing 
! > something?
! 
! why not send an E-mail to comminc@fortnet.org and ask Colonel Roberts himself.
! The banks are named in hisbook THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I've just got a mailing
! off him today.

When Bill reposts something it's the original writer's fault
for errors, not Bill's.  When you repost something, it's your
fault, not the original writer.  Case Closed.
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:53 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <50g0jj$k23@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> Laura Finsten  writes:

bob whitaker  wrote:

>Say, gang, guess what?  The clones have dredged up another old 
>tactic, and, by the most amazing coincidence, they're all using 
>it at the same time!
>   Now isn't that a surprise, that clones would do the same 
>thing at the same time?
>   It is the old Politically Correct tactic of censorhip.  I 
>almost invariably quote them completely, but they have taken to 
>chopping down my statements, and then demanding that I answer 
>points that were already covered in the statement.

And gosh golly gee whiz, Mr. Whitaker is such a strong proponent
of free speech (and so totally oblivious to netiquette) that he
even takes care not to censor himself!  Yessirree, he includes
more than a hundred lines of a previous post and reply, even 
though what he is saying now "in response" to the replier (whose
name and id are deleted), has absolutely nothing to do with what 
he wrote before!!  

A couple of months ago, Mr. Whitaker was "censoring" all the folks 
he responded to by posting "replies" (I use that term loosely, since 
he doesn't reply in the usual meaning of the word as it is
understood by most of speakers of English) with *nothing*,
not a single word, of the post his knee was jerking 
instinctively to.  Hey, Mr. Whitaker, what made you decide
in the last two months that "censorship" on usenet is a
bad thing and to change your ways?
understand the

[remainder censored, or see the original post, or the appropriate Dejanews record]
Fuckhead.  Poor Gravesian.
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:54 PDT 1996
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! As you all know, Kurt Stele said recently:
!  
! "I think the jewish claim about the pyramids is yet -another- hoax.
! 
! The jewish aversion to manual labor is proverbial.
! 
! The nazis tried to change that, in the labor camps.
! 
! Maybe that is why the labor camps were melodramatically called "death
! camps" by the -millions- of people who survived them:  the thought of
! doing manual labor was simply horrifying to them."
!  
! 
! I sent this comment to a (non-Jewish) friend for comment. He responded
! (and I agree fully):
!  
! "Oh, yes, that's why after centuries of the land known as Palestine being a
! desert, the Jews could turn it into farming country. They did it by being
! lazy.

Was that before or after the Palestinian ethnic group successfully
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:55 PDT 1996
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In  robk@rio.com (Rob Kowalewski) writes:

! In article ,
! schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! 
! > In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! 
! 
! > > Perversion can 
! > > either be inherited as a racial feature, or absorbed as a charactor trait 
! > > of a sexually repressive society. 
! 
! 
!  
! > Please define "perverse" sexuality.
! >  
! > I can't wait to hear it.
! >  
! > Sara
! 
! Sara?
! 
! You're just doing this for cheap entertainment. 
! 
! Admit it.
! 
! Rob K.

You've got a rather low opinion of my sweetheart, you cad!
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:56 PDT 1996
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In  atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) writes:

In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

  :Wrong.  The south wasn't racist, all it did was segregate, segregation 
  :isn't racist.  It hired African Americans as slaves which proves the 
  :south wasn't racist.

That statement is wrong on so many levels I hardly know where to begin.
Segregation of the form practiced in the South -- forcibly relegating one
group of citizens to permanent second-class status -- is clearly and
unquestionably racist. And segregation is not all the South did; it's not
hard to make the case that lynchings, bombings, flagrant denial of voting
rights, and a blatant double-standard in the application of criminal law
are racist acts.

The assertion that enslaving people proves that you consider them equals
is so screamingly ludicrous that I don't even know how to respond.

Slavemasters preferred to use African labor over White labor.  It
would have a great advantage to the race if insted they never
changed their racial prefernces to people of color over white.
That is something that has never changed in America since the
beginning of African slavery by Whites, the powers that be 
preferred color over White, thus, they were anti-racist.  The
poor whites who fought against drunks and anguished in
starvation as African slavery replaced white labor, were the real
victims of the Southern slave system.  *Nothing* was ever done
to improve the native birth rate of white children from then
until now, *proving* that the Old South was anti-racist.

  :! Be that as it may, you were absolutely correct. Any nation that must
  :! forcibly keep its own people in is obviously doing something wrong. 
  :
  :And what part of communism or socialism makes virtual imprisonment 
  :intrinsic?  The fact is there is different types of communism as there 

That's why I use "Communism" ith a capital C, to denote the policies of
the Communist party, as seen in Eastern Europe, North Korea, Cuba,
Vietnam, and the People's Republic of China.

  :is different types of nazism.

Not really. National Socialism was a phenomenon of a particular place and
time, and has little variation. Fascism and authoritarianism are broader
categories into which National Socialism falls.

  :Only considering the individual policies 
  :of the Soviet and German parties as they ruled in the thirties and forties 
  :won't do as a thourough examination of the possibility of a freer future 
  :with socialism or communism.

Of course not. Nearly every nation on Earth practices socialism to some degree.

The other way around, every nation practices capitalism to some
degree.  The same statement, but then your the bad guy!

  :!   :    In the end, Communism collapsed for the simple reasons: It 
  :!   :was silly and people didn't really want to live under it.
  :
  :The communism as you are referring to, collapsed because of corruption 
  :and anti-racism.

Corruption, yes; but the corruption was inherent in the system, not incidental. 
I'd love to see the support for your claim that "anti-racism" destroyed
the Eastern bloc.

Standard nazi racial ideas, no need to repeat it here.

  :There is no American nationality at present.  

Bullshit. There is an American nationality. There is no American race. 

Feeble head.  There's no American nationality anymore, the native 
American race is British.

  :If you want it, you must fight to create it. It will never happen
without the 
  :radicalism of the racists.

That is a circular argument, and only holds water if the reader already
believes that nationality and genetic homogenaity cannot exist separately.

  :You anti-racist conservatives take everthing for granted.

Conservative? Stay away from the broad attacks until you know me a little
better.

 :! The massive flow of third worlders into America begin in 1800 or so. It is
  :
  :Liar.  Ireland, Scotland, Germany, etc., never had third worlders until 
  :relatively recently.  If your referring to people of color, they were 
  :here well before this country was founded.

I'm not talking about race. "Third World" is an economic designation.
Ireland and Poland were unindustrialized, poor third world countries when
they began exporting immigrants to the United States. The widespread
belief was that all of these poor, uncultured, non-English-speaking
Catholics and Jews would destroy America. Instead, they became integrated
into American society, changing to fit it and changing it to fit them.
Those waves of immigrants became so integral to our society that their
descendants are now among those screaming that immigration is going to
destroy this country.

  :! If you say that Americans did not expext poor peoprl to come in here until
  :! 30-some years ago, why has thatpoem stood at the entryway (be sea) to our
  :! country for 100+ years?
  :
  :Liar.  Race isn't class.

When did I say that it was? The U.S. has been advertising for over a
century that it is the last best hope for the world's rejects.

To repeat what you deleted, Emma Lazarus wrote that poem on the Statue
of Liberty as a hypocrite.  He hated Poles and Greeks.  Give us your 
tired and poor except for Poles and Greeks?!???????  What a JACKASS.

  :Liar.  Anti-racist hate propaganda of the era clearly implied that 
  :opposition to the 1965 anti-racist act implied sympathies that could led to 
  :Neo-Nazism.

Any proposed laws that would define citizens by race have clear parallels
to the laws of the Third Reich, and it is fair to note these parallels.
That is a far cry from Whitaker's assertion and mantra that any
disagreement with the mighty Politically Correct orthodoxy results in the
label "A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews."

That's how the law was hatefully promoted in 1965.  Among Jews the 
strongest, among poor white southerners, the least.  The nastyness
of the propaganda happened to follow the strength of it's
effectiveness.  Let's here it for Rednecks, America's best ethnic
group!  The only group that's relatively consistent in it's positive
values.

  :Every popularly made prediction by racists of the evils of anti-racist 
  :laws has come true.

Including the prediction that the races would interbreed and thus cease to
exist in short order, and that the U.S. would be under the thumb of a
soviet-style Communist dictatorship by 1972?

That racial idea is the heart of the bad in the Communist Party USA.
To study their so-called economics is obscurantist.  Every checked
out Political Affairs, Revolutionary Worker and Peoples Daily World?
To them, it's race Race RACE, the whites must die, *all* of them.
And those are the intellectual journals!  Talk to them in person!
It's race *only*!  Hell, I don't like rich people because of their
politics and personality, but so-called Marxist-Leninists-Maoists
are fairly open for Asian and African capitalism conquering the
world as a necessary transition!  Sure, but the reason is race.

And to some people, to exterminate the entire world's white race
by 2100 *is* a short order of time!  People who care, who are not
entirely selfish.

  :Southern schools?!?????????  How about EVERY school?  A white child in
  :the Berkeley school system of 1965 could be attending schools that are 
  :96% white.  Today every Berkeley school is integrated and only ~20% white.  
  :Only thirty years, and look how far anti-racists have gone to murder an 
  :entire generation of children!

Murder? Are you saying that there are fewer white children in Berkeley
schools in 1996 than in 1965 because of murder?

The kids who were in those schools were not murdered. They grew up and
left school. Other students came in. The demographics of the neighborhoods
changed. 

Racial Murder!  96% to 20% of children in Berkeley public schools!
They didn't leave.  The white race is producing a genocidaly low
amount of white children!    It's because of our anti-racist culture,
our anti-racist rulers!  Nothing else but racism can change it!

  :! On what basis do you make that statement? Before desegregation, Southern
  :! schools had piss-poor academic standards. They still do. 

So?  Does that deny the virtues of racism?

  :Piss poor standards sure, but with a much greater potential that was 
  :completely destroyed by anti-racism.  Southerners have a right to good 
  :schools, a right that was deprived by global minded anti-racists.

Black southerners also have a right to good schools, a right that was
treated with a wink and a nod at best and open derision at worst for
decades.

Gee, is it any different for white people?  I can tell the difference
between class hatred and race hatred.  You can't.  That's what makes
you Politically Correct.  It's your conditioned reflexes.

  :! (3) I'll admit that Marge Schott is an embarrassment to the game, but the
  :! Reds have some fine years behind and ahead of them, and might be a
  :! legitimate Central Division contender in the next year or two. If you
  :! really want to correct an injustice, fight to revoke the lifetime ban on
  :! Pete Rose. And get Yaz into the Hall.
  :
  :The attack on Marge Schott was a very small attack by anti-racists, but 
  :these attacks happen on a mass basis, rather than an individual basis.  
  :It was part of an attack by the millions of anti-racists on the white people.

Marge Schott offended the sensibilities of Major League Baseball, and
apparently lacked the good sense to know when to shut the hell up. That
aside, the above was a joke based on Whitaker's assertion that he was
fighting "the Reds." Brush up on your sense of humor.

And I notice that you didn't address the Pete Rose issue.

Do I know everthing?  Explain that issue if you want a convert to
the idea that Pete Rose is better for baseball than Marge Schott.
In my opinion, baseball is probably no better than it was described
by Henry Ford as a scam, but I know more about business than sports.
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In <322C688E.EF1@conterra.com> Bob Whitaker  writes:

     For you , the white race exists, all right, but only when it is
being villified.  I said all that, and THEN I said it was flattery to
call you traitors.

Absolutely right on!  Righteous!  I suppose to amuse yourself,
try reversing it!  Whites Created Everthing, Whites Run Nothing!
Or, if you is conservative, Whites Run Everything!  Hey Stupid
racism is better than none!
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:58 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jewrassic Park
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In <322bae57.9776869@news> pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:

! On Tue, 03 Sep 1996 11:59:26 GMT, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
! wrote:
! 
! >	JewRasic Park had been seeded with a miiiion US.  It is good to see we
! >can indebt tuture generations for the fun of it.  After all, we do it
! >to pay for the medical care of our parents, who not for the pet peeve
! >of Spielberg>
! >=====
! Again people, you will notice the slurred writing, the inability to
! notice simple mistakes when typeing, this then is the typical problem
! associated with self induced brain cell reduction through the use of
! alcohol. 

No, that means he's been reading my posts!  I got a slowly healing 
hand, and wasn't a good typist to begin with, especially with one good
hand only for the near future.

And there's nothing anti-semitic in his post, he very well could
be Jewish, we Jews seek the truth, don't we?
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:59 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Fuckheads
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In <50g8an$2ds@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   Alexander Baron  writes:
! >
! >  > >  > Liar. Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were 
! tortured,
! >  > >  > experimented on, and murdered, specifically because they were Jewish.
! >  > >  
! >  > >  Not true. There were still Jews in Berlin in 1944. One of the reasons they
! >  > >  could be sent to Auschwitz was for smoking a cigarette in public. Do your
! >  > >  homework before you denounce me as a liar, arsehole.
! >  > 
! >  >         And when you do your research you will come to a simple conclusion:
! >  > 
! >  >         Al Baron is a liar.
! 
! >  My sources for this are the Jewish Chronicle and Reitlinger. 
! 
! 	Lyin' Al and his sources again.  Your statement was that it is "Not true." 
! that "Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were tortured, 
! experimented on, and murdered, specifically becasue thet were Jewish."  Please 
! give a reference to where either Reitlinger or the Jewish Chronicle stated that 
! Jews were not not placed in concentration camps, where they were tortured, 
! experimented on, and murdered specifically becasue they were Jewish.
! 
! 	Please don't give me the usual Lyin' Al bullshit to "check out" some 
! nutcase or other.  Give me direct references to Reitlinger or the Jewish Chronicle 
! where such a statement was made.
! 
! 	--YFE
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:05:59 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Nomination: The Right Reverend Colin James III for Kook of the Month
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In <50i362$71q@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Rich Graves) writes:

! shlomo@bwalk.dm.com () writes:
! >The Right Reverend Colin James III got Andrew Mathis 
! >fired from his second job in two months (at the Princeton Review, on Thursday).
! >I hereby nominate the dear bishop for both the Kook of the Month for September
! >1996 and for the Golden Killfile Award. Vote early and often!
! 
! Vulis, you've already earned your Kook of the Month laurels. It's nap 
! time.

Since you know that is Dr. D, why did you blame the harassment of
Ingrid on Rev. Ron?!?????  It looks like you did it to pin it on the doctor,
or more likely, you saw the opportunity to harass Rev. Ron, even
after you feigned praise of him!  It's the same damned header, IDJIT.

Of course, I never saw the headers for the unidentified harasser to
the Zgrams list, was that the same header, too?  It looks like you did
it or you know who did it and you want to compound harassment on to
nswpp!  How Gravesian!  Is Dr. D your friend your talking about?  Dr.
D, defect, defect!  He's a jerk, jerk!
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:06:00 PDT 1996
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In <3229543c.17729844@news> pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:

On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 14:01:22 GMT, qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
wrote:

>In <50be8v$pk3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>
>! In article <32292492.831@snet.net>, Moose  wrote:
(Ken Mcvays and Moose thoughts on Milton snipped)
>Fuckhead.
Now I have to say, right off the bat Mr. Harman that not only showed
the entire AR usenet group just how stupid you really are, even more
importantly you have shown a rather inflexible, phobic, albeit
distaste for true intellectual discourse, which of course is _typical_
of your type.
Stereotyping Fuckhead.
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:06:01 PDT 1996
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In <841340451snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron  writes:

! In article <5035g7$slf@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" writes:
! 
! > The slight factual content of
! >  his 
! > post show only that Lyin' Al was aware:
! > 
! >         1.  That the Federal Reserve System is not a single entity 
! > but is composed of 12 banks and a board of governors.
! 
! Conspiracy theorists such as Gary Allen claim that the New York bank is the
! real power and that the others are white elephants. Allen's book - right or
! wrong - was endorsed by at least one leading American Jewish conservative.

Suggesting?  The American Nazi Party was endorsed by a prominant
American Jewish conservative, the leader, Frank Collins, who petitioned
to party up his ethnic brothers in Skokie, late seventies.  The
same logic, similar circumstances.

And "the New York bank" is presumably Chase Manhatten, now run
by Jews, since the 80 or so David Rockerfeller {*} retired.
Old news, but Jewish fans John Birch Society has not updated their
conspiracy theories yet, to reflect on new Jewish realities.
The Wall Street Journal lies about everything political, this
little paragraph about the retirement is backed up by their
annual report, sure it could all be lies, but is supportive.
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 07:06:02 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: ~650,000 Polish Jews in ~1870 to ~3,250,000 in 1942?
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In <505jtm$grg@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! 
! >  ! The Jewish population statistics aren't clear because the European 
! >  ! countries that did count Jews in their censuses, quit doing so in the 
! >  ! 1940's, and their has *never* been a census specifying Jews in the USA as 
! >  ! residents or immigrants.  This deliberate inaccuracy has been demanded by 
! >  ! the organized Jewish community for unknown reasons since the beginning of 
! >  ! the USA.  If malice is now suspected of the leadership of the Jewish 
! >  ! community, it's their own fault for demanding obscuration of the extent 
! >  ! of their own numbers.
! 
! 	You are incorrect about the U.S.  Immigration statistics by religion were 
! kept until the 1960's.  Refugee statistics by religion are still kept.  Religious 
! persecution remains a reason for granting refugee status.  I have posted at least 
! once the specific reports on Jewsih refugees admitted to the U.S. in the decade 
! after WW II.  Reports were made both at the order of the president and to 
! Congress.
! 
!  
! >  ! The Polish census' of about 1870-80 counted 600-700,000 residents under 
! >  ! the Jewish religion.  How did it grow to 3-3.5,000,000 in 1942, breeding 
! >  ! and/or immigration?  That would be very fast breeding, wouldn't it?  Were 
! >  ! the majority of the Jews in Poland of 1942 relatively recent immigrants 
! >  ! from elsewhere? 
! 
! 	A rather interesting assertion.  Have you ever looked at a map of 
! Europe in 1870?  If you ahve one that shows Poland as a country with the same 
! borders it had in 1942 (or 1939) pleace post it at once.  So would most historians.  
! I would al;so be interested in learning about the Polish government who took such 
! a census.  So would most historians.
! 
! >  Jews couldn't have increased that much.  The ~3,250,000 figure is a fake.
! 
! 	So is your knowledge of Polish history.
! 
! 	--YFE
Fuckhead.  I was aware of your positions on what you brought up this 
post.  I don't know how relevent the reported ~650,000 figure is by
two Polish censuses.  That's why I asked.  And you lie if you claim
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 09:05:56 PDT 1996
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In <50ieqi$88p@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

Ingrid Rimland wrote:
>
>A recurring theme in many of the letters we receive is that of the totally
>beholden, servile mainstream media - what I call Lapdog Media - and the
>healthy, instinctive reaction of people who turn to alternative news.  I
>don't consider the ZGrams "news" except in a very peripheral sense - I do

You are too kind.

>The letter below is typical of how the Net and its nature are viewed by
>people who are tuned in to what is going on:
>
>". . . Don't know 'bout now, but 8 years ago Mark Lane and Victor Marchetti
>used to bring out a newsletter called "Zionwatch." It was an expensive

Victor Marchetti is a kook renowned in UFO and LaRouche circles for his
claims to have worked with the CIA. See:

 http://wonderland.apana.org.au/~belgrave/mind-ufo.htm

For some years, Mark Lane was a Kennedy assassination conspiracy theorist;
now he works for the IHR.

 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/ihr/press/express.011092
 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/ihr/press/express.011792
 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/political-research-associates/right.w.left
 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/nyms/murungu/murungu-on-jewish-compromise

Chip Berlet has a pretty good overview of the efforts of right-wing conspiracy
theorists at:

 http://noel.pd.org/topos/perforations/perf2/right_woos_left.html

>That's why I was so happy to see and report on the Harvard Law School item

Ingrid forgot to provide the URL, of course. It's far easier to criticize
something when your readers don't have access to the original source.

It needs reminding that Rich Graves is an admirer of capitalism, thus
his anti-conspiracy theorism/pro-conspiracy angle.  It would hard to
swallow a simultaneous beliefs that capitalism exploits people for no
decent reasons and to believe in freedom from repression by our 
government.    Yours and the conventional defs of left/right are defective.

As if anyone intelligent people can choose *between* capitalist
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 09:12:06 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Legalize Drunk Driving!
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In <50hiql$ibv@paperboy.ids.net> zarlenga@conan.ids.net (Michael Zarlenga) writes:

! Barbara Strayer (insbas01@nt.com) wrote:
! : >The right to drive is an absolute (given the just possession of
! : >something *to* drive and the just liberty to transport oneself).
! 
! : However, if you chec the laws of the various states, I believe 
! : that you would find that there is no "right" to drive. It is a
! : privilege granted to you by the state in which you live, as 
! 
! True, and as such, all state fees, taxes, surcharges, etc. 
! for road work should be optional, and only paid by those who
! have driver's licenses.
! 
! If I'm gonna be forced to pay for my state's roads, then
! I'm gonna use them, license or not.  Either stop taking 
! money from me to pay for them or grant all taxpayers some
! kind of default access.
! 
! Anything less in unfair.

Hee, Hee, you pay for the jails too, I guess you'll be taking 
advantage of that, too!

I'm glad that no one believes in absolute rights, that activities
associated with crime should be suppressed by police.  I'm for
communism because private property is associated with most crime,
and crime in business is endemic!  Think of all the crime that the
greedy materialism wroughts!  Communism will put a stop to crime,
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 09:12:07 PDT 1996
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In <50drsg$fme@kirin.wwa.com> msimon@rworld.com (M Simon) writes:

! Government wants to check out your financial records to see if
! you are to be trusted to be a passenger on an airplane.
! 
! Has anybody else noticed the militarization of the airports?
! 
! Where are your papers? May I look through your bags please?
! Please empty your pockets.

How far we have fallen our rights as a people and our rights as
individuals!  

I've come across a 1958 American Rifle and did it have an
interesting story to tell.  An American champion shooter 
was invited to a competition in the Soviet Union.  Not only
did he attend, he brought his firearms with him, ACROSS STATE
LINES, THROUGH NEW YORK CITY, TO THE SOVIET UNION, LOADED
HANDGUNS!  Was he even questioned for doing this?  No.  Was
he p[er|ro]secuted for doing this?  No.  Did Americans have
more rights in 1958?  Yes.  Did traveling Americans have more
rights in the USSR under Khrushkchev than they do in their
motherland today?  Yes.

Now I say, if Americans were a solid enough people to accept
the right to own and distribute cocaine, heroin, TNT, silencers,
machine guns, racism, self defense, pornography, socialism,
etc., in the past, than they are a solid enough people to do so 
today.  The above activities must be legalized to fight crime,
and save our country.  Yes, we should me allowed to be drunk
and be on a plane with a concealed, loaded, silenced sub
machine gun without being arrested for it.  Yes, I'm aware of
the hypocrites who lie about the claim to support freedom.
Yes, rights are always absolute, and we as individuals have
these rights absolutely, and our so-called government is not
promoting our rights in any way, but simply handing our entire
country away to the highest bidder while pretending to be
anything but an enterprise.

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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 09:12:08 PDT 1996
Article: 449271 of talk.politics.misc
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: announce discussion group Talklaw.com
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In <841707423.9657@dejanews.com> erickson@pacbell.net writes:

! Discuss recent court rulings on abortion, civil rights, immigration,
! gun control, constitutional rights, gay rights, etc... See www.Talklaw.com

Why not keep the discussion on usenet?  Moderated discussion groups
such as almost all IRC, web, AOL, etc., are too much of a bother to
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 09:29:09 PDT 1996
Article: 62219 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT - sign on here
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In <322c56d3.6968993@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

	On Sept. 2, 1996 Moran posted "The sinking McVay - down, down,
down", still fresh on the group.
	
	The main point was Nizkor "Director" McVay's attack on a
revisionist's family member.
                        
======================================================================
	"Three months from now, Mr. Moron, too busy trying to find a
hooker to take his sister's place, will still not have figured it
out."
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	Immediately many of his ardent allies signed on to endorse
McVay's statement. To make it easier for anyone who wants to sign on,
I am posting this space for their convenience.

	DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Those already signed on are:

1. Chuck Ferree

2. Joel Rosenberg

3. Danny Mittleman

4. Jamie McCarthy

5. Keith Morrison

6. Yale Edeiken

7. Ken McVay, reiterating

8. Dave Harman, OBC

9.

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18.

19.

20.

	If all the numbers have been taken, just continue on by adding
your own.
	DON'T MISS THIS CHANCE TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR ANTI-HATE.
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(This post a correction. First post has McVay as a 'webmaster', when
it has been pointed out he's not. He is the "Director".)
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 16:50:12 PDT 1996
Article: 62382 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Aryan Jews
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In <50807u$4e@jerry.loop.net> goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) writes:

gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:

>WTG Rich!!  Anyone who is interested proving the worthlessness of racists is
>A-OK in my book.  :-)

Then a professional anti-racist is exactly the opposite of what you
want.  Did you understand the paragraph the previous poster had
written, or was this a forged message to make "Gord McFee" look
stupid?

Of course, he's stupid!  He's not Jewish!  Jews have been proven
more intelligent than everyone else!  You can always trust Jews,
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From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep  4 18:55:42 PDT 1996
Article: 62390 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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In <5035g7$slf@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! 	The question was a simple one.
! 
! 	Does a consortium of 8 banks with Jewsih names own the the Federal 
! Reserve System.  Lyin' Al has claimed in the past that they do although he has 
! recently modified this position to state that those banks do, in fact, own the Fed 
! (although they are, again according to Lyin' Al) no longer controlled by Jews).
! 
! 	Actaully, I found Lyin' Al's phamplet less the work of an "honest man" 
! and more the work of a crank who by comparison makes those who believe that 
! cancer can be cured with yogurt and eggplant almost respectable.  He has not 
! learned the basic principle that it is best to start with a little research and present 
! some facts rather than the opinions of cranks.  The slight factual content of his 
! post show only that Lyin' Al was aware:
! 
! 	1.  That the Federal Reserve System is not a single entity 
! but is composed of 12 banks and a board of governors.

The Federal Reserve System is composed of one bank with twelve
branches run by a board of directors.

! 	2.  That those banks are owned by the "national" banks in the region 
! in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the president.

The twelve branches are owned by the one central Federal Reserve 
System, a bank run by a board of directors appointed by the president
of the USA.

! 	3.  That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks 
! is a "fantasy."

The eight Jewish run banks are the Federal Monetary system, a
system that has been in place since the predecession of World
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From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep  5 10:20:47 PDT 1996
Article: 62610 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: {Anti-}{Dr. Fuckhead|Skippy} And The Forgery Attacks
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In <50knk4$e8n@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! rbeck@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) writes:
! >Dave Harman OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! 
! QUT is still posting? Why?
! 
! -rich
Fuckhead.
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From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep  5 20:04:39 PDT 1996
Article: 62756 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Annie Park
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In <322ED6A5.21C4@ccnis.net> Annie Alpert  writes:

! Matt Giwer wrote:
! >         JewRasic Park had been seeded with a miiiion US.  It is good to see we> can indebt tuture generations for the fun of it.  After all, we do it> to pay for the medical care of our parents, who not for the pet peeve> of Spielberg>
! 
! Matt, you have a serious problem with alcohol (drugs, too?).  Do
! yourself a favor and get some help!  You are embarrassing yourself in
! front of thousands of people, and it's painful to watch.    

Oh I doubt it, sweetie.
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From qut@netcom.com Fri Sep  6 07:24:10 PDT 1996
Article: 62847 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: {Anti-}{Dr. Fuckhead|Rich Graves} And The Forgery Attacks
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In <50l2i5$a6r@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! 
! >  The USA immigration law is explicit on the subject.  Refugees have
! >  preference over others in the law.
! 
! 	The immigration laws certainly are specific.  Perhaps you should read 
! them.  Refugees are *not* admitted under the normal immigartion law; they are 
! admitted under a special law dealing with refugees.

I don't care for the obscurantist interpretations of immigration 
laws.  Political refugees are immigrants, and the department 
dealing with this is the Immigration and Naturalization Service,
and that's that.  I consider illegal aliens to be valid citizens,
considering how the police tolerate them, and how little standards
are required to become a citizen.

! >  Eighty percent is the quota 
! >  allocated to Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union.
! 
! 	There is *no* quota under the refugee act.  Refugees are, however, 
! deducted from the national allocation.

Taking it as a whole, in practice it has become an ethnic quota
that of the immigrants hailing from the former Soviet Union,
80% have to Jewish.  For fairness this must change. 
There was a law passed years ago stating this, giving Soviet Jews
priority over Russians, the Refuseniks supposedly subject to
harsher treatment than non-Jews denied emigration from the USSR.
The mere breakup of the Soviet Union and the INS has not changed
their interpretation of this law!

! >  Of the refugees
! >  from the former USSR, in other words, eighty percent must be Jewish.
! 
! 	You seem to be confusing "immigration" with "refugee."  They are two 
! different concepts in immigration law.  There is *no* requirement concerning how 
! many refugees are admitted.
! 
! >  And of the total number of immigrants from the former Soviet Union,
! >  eighty percent happened to be Jewish.  I've seen this in the news.
! >  You probably have too.  I've only seen in reported in highly positive
! >  presentations by the news.  So have you.  You believe news items
! >  shouldn't be taken out of the original contextual bias of the 
! >  original items.
! 
! 	You might well be correct about the percentage of refugees from the 
! former Soviet Union who wre Jews.  I am not sure that the statistics are as high 
! since the dissolution of the Soviet Union.  Please note, however, that it would have 
! been relatively easy to establish a case of religious persecution -- one of the key 
! qualifications for refugee status.  In fact, it is the best one available to an average 
! citizen.

Then why has the USA decided that worshippers of the Russian Orthodox 
Church are not victims of religious persecution?  Would you advocate
that those who are persecuted for their devoutness in the religion of
the swastika be given priority under USA immigration law?

Is the racial theory a religion?  Are racial believers persecuted?
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From qut@netcom.com Fri Sep  6 07:56:29 PDT 1996
Article: 36724 of alt.skinheads
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Subject: Re: Fuckhead
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In <50ntuo$gdn@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A Robards) writes:

! In <50n9kk$epn@crl2.crl.com> Comrade Molotov  writes: 
! >
! >In <322BD7AC.46BD@gol.com> jpmartin  writes:
! >
! >> James Nguyen wrote:
! >> > 
! >> > On 26-Aug-96 10:53:07, Kurt Heilbron (kurt@hula.net) wrote:
! >> > >>Over 13 Million tonnes of bombs dropped. Innocent farming
! villagers
! >> > >>napalmed, burned to death or machine gunned. Millions of square
! acres of
! >> > >>forest and land  defoliated and contaminated by agent orange.
! International
! >> > >>trade embargoes. Civilised indeed.
! >> > 
! >> > >Give me a break.  At least we never sent in WOMEN with bombs
! strapped
! >> > >to their bodies.   You asian fucks seem to forget the pain and
! >> > >suffering you panheads inflicted on American soldiers...not to
! mention
! >> > >your savage torturing techniques to obtain information from
! P.O.W's.
! >> > 
! >> > Oh really? Ever seen the famous picture of american gi bashing a
! tied
! >> > down captured vc? It was all tit for tat. You weren't angles
! either so
! >> > shut the hell up.
! >> > 
! >> > -
! >> > j.n.    http://netspace.net.au/~nguyen/
! >> >
! >> >  Uh...Isn't war SUPPOSED to inflict pain and suffering? Kill the
! enemy, right? The side with the most kills wins? Wrong. We kept
! killing. 
! >> They kept coming. Even Napalm wasn't enough. 
! >Fuckhead.  We're gonna get you capitalist pig
! 
! 
! 
!    Fuck you you piss-poor anti-capitalist wnaker..we're gonna BUY you.
! HAIL THE WHITE RACE!
! HAIL THE RICH!
! HAIL CAPITALISM!
Fuckhead.  Long live nazis, death to the rich and capitalism.
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From qut@netcom.com Fri Sep  6 13:22:22 PDT 1996
Article: 42150 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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In <50on4o$k9d@news.charweb.org> web3715@charweb.org (Jim Cooper) writes:

!    		Only the educated are free.

Only when education is free.
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From qut@netcom.com Fri Sep  6 18:43:25 PDT 1996
Article: 63017 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Whites Created Everything
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In <322F67C9.207A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:

! Alexandre Kotov wrote:
! > 
! > In article <50airk$fuc@lendl.cc.emory.edu>,
! > william c anderson  wrote:
! > >No, you don't.  There's is no "aryan race"--the term was invented
! > >by the Nazis, and has no scientific validity at all.
! > 
! > You are partly wrong. The term "Aryan" was introduced long before Nazism came
! > about. It is generally thought that the term was first used in linguistics.
! > But that's not 100% certain. Because there are indications that it was first
! > used by Arthur, Comte de Gobineau a prominent French diplomat, philosopher
! > and writer in his monumental work "On Inequality of Human Races" which was
! > published in 1854. And note that it was used specifically in relation to the
! > matters of race. I believe that only the first volume exists in English
! > translation. You should be able to get it from your university library.
! > 
! > CIA Ft. Meade Marxist strategic arrangements NORAD World Trade Center
! > terrorist Soviet Qaddafi Saddam Hussein SEAL Team 6 Serbian DES Ortega
! > --
! >                 Regards,                             akotov1@umbc.edu
! >                  Alex.                               http://umbc.edu/~akotov1
! >             "Maybe TV is right? TV's always right." -- H. Simpson
! 
! 
! Of course use of the term Aryan preceded National Socialism. It also 
! preceded Gobineau, since it was used by the ancient Aryan rulers of the 
! Indian subcontinent, and is widely believed to be the root word for 
! "Iran." I do not believe these ancient peoples used it in only a 
! linguistic sense, by the way.
! 
! There is an hilarious "anti-racist" book in my local public library, 
! intended for use by schoolteachers, which claims that the term was 
! invented by an evil "nazi" named "Dr. Arius."

Which one is that?  No doubt authored by someone accredited for their
field!  Well, politics is an example where lack of accredition is a
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:38 PDT 1996
Article: 63101 of alt.revisionism
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As a socialist, I wish there were no copyright laws, and don't 
care much when it's violated, except when profit is concerned.
If it can be proven that it was done for capitalistic intentions,
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:39 PDT 1996
Article: 63126 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Fuckhead
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In <50qm4c$o6@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! Obviously someone impersonating tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
! 
! SOMETHING HILARIOUS!!! And I though Skippy was funny. I'll add it to
! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/
! 
! Thanks. That made my day. Have a good weekend, all.
! 
! -rich
Fuckhead.  You use cgi tricks to defeat www.anonmizer.com, scumbag
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:40 PDT 1996
Article: 63135 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Milton Kleim
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In <50r03r$r5v@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! gee....this is a sad,sad insight into the mentality of those fighting
! for a perverted, self destructive, sickening cause.....but
! ummmm.....why did you cross post it to alt.skinheads? please explain
! this to me.....it makes no sense what so ever....ummmm.......you scare
! me....Mom!...
! 
! Bullseye
! Baltimore trad skin for life

Consciously trying to increase state repression 
was a valid political tactic in 1922 Italy, 1933 Germany and 1917 Russia.
Whether such a tactic would work today, is subject for debate.
It would probably
be self-destructive, because the public has little sympathy for the
radical racists in the status quo.  If the state were to become so liberal
that it becomes incapable of defending it's own corrupt interests, there
then would be popular support for authoritarianism.

But the forged post was obviously intended to be a threat on Milton Kleim,
almost certainly done by anti-racists without a cause.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:41 PDT 1996
Article: 63137 of alt.revisionism
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Who's doing these forgery's?  If your doing it Mr. Moran, quit it
unless you learn to do it better.  Rich Graves is doing some
excellent forgeries.  Use his junk as a model.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:42 PDT 1996
Article: 63138 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Sloppy drunk again WASRe: Jewrassic Park
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In <50ovqv$61d@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 09:33:25 -0400, Annie Alpert 
! wrote:
! 
! >Matt Giwer wrote:
! >>         JewRasic Park had been seeded with a miiiion US.  It is good to see we> can indebt tuture generations for the fun of it.  After all, we do it> to pay for the medical care of our parents, who not for the pet peeve> of Spielberg>
! 
! >Matt, you have a serious problem with alcohol (drugs, too?).  Do
! >yourself a favor and get some help!  You are embarrassing yourself in
! >front of thousands of people, and it's painful to watch.    
! 
! 	Do you really think a silly goose like you can make any impression on
! me?  

Hey, don't make fun of my fianc.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:43 PDT 1996
Article: 63142 of alt.revisionism
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In <50li0o$duk@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! Extract from the interrogation of Higher SS and Police Leader Friedrich Jeckeln 
! (December 14, 1945):

But what everbody wants to know is how Poland's Jewish 
population increased from 650,000 in 1870 to 3,250,000 in 1921.  How?
Immigration or the fastest birth rate in Europe by far?  Other European
ethnic groups had an annual growth rate of under one percent at the 
time, not nearly enough to explain the high growth of the Polish 
Jewish populace.  Immigration?  That would contradict claims of 
centuries old Polish Jewish tradition.  

It's possible that the Jewish population statistics were inflated by
the Third Reich in 1942 to provide justification for military action 
to the public, thus encouraging more of it.  In any case it was the
slavs who were the victims of the war, not Jews.  Soviet Poland was
correct to emphasize slavic over Jewish suffering in the war.  Hooray
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:44 PDT 1996
Article: 63146 of alt.revisionism
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In <50nb1s$ku2@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:
Fckhead.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:45 PDT 1996
Article: 63159 of alt.revisionism
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In <50n6gk$kcp@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:
Fckhead.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:46 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Netcom.ca user harasses ix.netcom.com user with forgery and impersonation
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Netcom.ca user harasses ix.netcom.com user with forgery and impersonation

The following Message-ID shows how a netcom.ca user is harassing a
ix.netcom.com user with forgrey and impersonation:


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http to www.babylonians.com

This harassment is continuing despite previous complaints about the forgery.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:46 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Anti-Racist Mass Murder In the Ukraine
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! Letter from Inspector of Armaments in the Ukraine to General of
! Infantry, Thomas, December 2 1941
! [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
! Off., 1946, Vol V, pages 994-997]
! ----------------------------------------------------------------
! The attitude of the Jewish population was anxious - obliging from
! the beginning. They tried to avoid everything that might displease
! the German administration. That they hated the German administration
! and the army inwardly goes without saying and cannot be surprising.
! However, there is no proof that Jewry as a whole or even to a
! greater part was implicated in acts of sabotage. Surely, there 
! were some terrorists or saboteurs among them just as among the
! Ukrainians. But it cannot be said that the Jews as such represented
! a danger to the German armed forces. The output produced by the
! Jews who, of course, were prompted by nothing but the feeling of 
! fear, was satisfactory to the troops and the German administration.

BS.

!  .
!  .
!  .
! 
! The way these actions which included men and old men, women and
! children of all ages were carried out was horrible. The great masses
! executed make this action more gigantic than any similar measure
! taken so far in the Soviet Union. So far about 150,000 to
! 200,000 Jews may have been executed in the part of the Ukraine 
! belonging to the Reichskommissariat [RK]; no consideration was given 
! to the interests of economy.
! 
! Summarizing it can be said that the kind of solution of the Jewish
! problem applied in the Ukraine which obviously was based on the
! ideological theories as a matter of principle had the following
! results:
! 
! a. Elimination of a part of partly superfluous eaters in the cities.
! 
! b. Elimination of a part of the population which hated us
!    undoubtedly.
! 
! c. Elimination of badly needed tradesmen who were in many instances
!    indispensable even in the interests of the armed forces.
! 
! d. Consequences as to foreign policy - propaganda which are obvious.
! 
! e. Bad effects on the troops which in any case get indirect contact
!    with the executions.
! 
! f. Brutalizing effect on the formations which carry out the 
!    executions-regular police-(Ordnungspolizei).

Well, those are good reasons!  You should approve because it wasn't
racist, to the extext it was actually carried out rather than merely
reported,  all nazis lie, remember?

It was bad to attack the slavs, but it was a mistake, rather than
an actual evil.  The slavs were not out to exterminate the white
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:56:53 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
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In <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> Anonymous writes:
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Also, check the full header.

!   October 28. Last night I had to do the most unpleasant thing that I have
! been called to do since joining the Organization four years ago. I participated
! in the execution of a mutineer.
!   Harry Powell was Unit 5's leader. Last week, when Washington Field
! Command gave his unit the assignment of assassinating two of the most
! obnoxious and outspoken advocates of racial mixing in this area -- a priest and
! a rabbi, coauthors of a widely publicized petition to Congress requesting
! special tax advantages for racially mixed married couples -- Powell refused the
! assignment. He sent a message back to WFC saying that he was opposed to
! the further use of violence and that his unit would not participate in any acts
! of terrorism.
!   He was immediately placed under arrest, and yesterday one representative
! from each unit under WFC -- including Unit 5 -- was summoned to judge him.
! Unit 10 was not able to send anyone, and so 11 members -- eight men and
! three women -- met with an officer from WFC in the basement storeroom of a
! gift shop owned by one of our "legals." I was Unit 1's representative.
!   The officer from WFC stated the case against Powell very briefly. The Unit
! 5 representative then confirmed the facts: Powell had not only refused to
! obey the assassination order, but he had instructed the members of his unit
! not to obey either. Fortunately, they had not allowed themselves to be
! subverted by him.
!   Powell was then given an opportunity to speak in his behalf. He did so for
! more than two hours, interrupted occasionally by a question from one of us.
! What he said really shook me, but it made our decision easier for all of us, I
! am sure.
!   Harry Powell was, in essence, a "responsible conservative." The fact that
! he was not only a member of the Organization but had become a unit leader
! reflects more on the Organization than it does on him. His basic complaint
! was that all our acts of terror against the System were only making things
! worse by "provoking" the System into taking more and more repressive
! measures.

Well, by posting this I presume you think the above isn't true?  With
even the EFF and the ACLU advocating FBI terrorism, sort of makes you
think, no?  Or does this mean you endorse the Turner Diaries?

!   Well, of course, we all understood that! Or, at least, I thought we all
! understood it. Apparently Powell didn't. That is, he didn't understand that
! one of the major purposes of political terror, always and everywhere, is to
! force the authorities to take reprisals and to become more repressive, thus
! alienating a portion of the population and generating sympathy for the
! terrorists. And the other purpose is to create unrest by destroying the
! population's sense of security and their belief in the invincibility of the
! government.
!   As Powell continued talking, it became clearer and clearer that he was a
! conservative, not a revolutionary. He talked as if the whole purpose of the
! Organization were to force the System to institute certain reforms, rather
! than to destroy the System, root and branch, and build something radically
! and fundamentally different in its place.
!   He was opposed to the System because it taxed his business too heavily.
! (He had owned a hardware store before we were forced underground.) He
! was opposed to the System's permissiveness with Blacks, because crime and
! rioting were bad for business. He was opposed to the System's confiscation
! of firearms, because he felt he needed a gun for personal security. His were
! the motivations of a libertarian, the sort of self-centered individual who sees
! the basic evil in government as a limitation on free enterprise.
!   Someone asked him whether he had forgotten what the Organization has
! repeated over and over, namely, that our struggle is to secure the future of
! our race, and that the issue of individual freedom is subordinate to that one,
! overwhelming purpose. His retort was that the Organization's violent tactics
! are benefiting neither our race nor individual freedom.
!   This answer proved again that he didn't really understand what we are
! tr
! ying to do. His initial approval of the use of force against the System was
! based on the naive assumption that, by God, we'll show those bastards!
! When the System, instead of backing down, began tightening the screws
! even faster, he decided that our policy of terrorism is counter-productive.
!   He simply could not accept the fact that the path to our goal cannot be a
! retracing of our course to some earlier stage in our history, but must instead
! be an overcoming of the present and a forging ahead into the future-with us
! choosing the direction instead of the System. Until we have torn the rudder
! out of its grasp and thrown the System overboard, the ship of state will go
! careening on its hazardous way. There will be no stopping, no going back.
! Since we are already among rocks and shoals, we are bound to get scraped
! up pretty badly before we find any clear sailing.
!   Maybe he was right that our tactics are wrong; the reaction of the people
! will eventually answer that question. But his whole attitude, his whole
! orientation was wrong. As I listened to Powell I was reminded of the
! late-19th century writer, Brooks Adams, and his division of the human race
! into two classes: spiritual man and economic man. Powell was the epitome of
! economic man.
!   Ideologies, ultimate purposes, the fundamental contradiction between the
! System's world view and ours -- all these things had no meaning for him. He
! regarded the Organization's philosophy as just so much ideological flypaper
! designed to catch recruits for us. He saw our struggle against the System as a
! contest for power and nothing more. If we could not whip them, then we
! should try to force them to compromise with us.
!   I wondered how many others in the Organization thought the way Powell
! did, and I shuddered. We have been forced to grow too quickly. There has
! not been sufficient time to develop in all our people the essentially religious
! attitude toward our purpose and our doctrines which would have prevented
! the Powell incident by screening him out early.
! 
!   As it was, we had no real choice in deciding Powell's fate. There was not
! only his disobedience to consider, but also the fact that he had revealed
! himself to be fundamentally unreliable. To have one of us-and a unit leader,
! at that-talking openly to other members about trying to find a way to
! compromise with the System, with the war just beginning... There was only
! one way to deal with such a situation.
!   The eight male members present drew straws, and three of us, including
! me, ended up on the execution squad. When Powell realized that he was
! going to be killed, he tried to make a break. We tied his hands and feet, and
! then we had to gag him when he began shouting. We drove him to a wooded
! area off the highway about 10 miles south of Washington, shot him, and
! buried him.
! 
! The Turner Diaries
! Chapter Seven

JACKASS, is this supposed to be a threat?  This post was most likely
sent by an anti-racist, perhaps an anti-racist in the movement, a
"Harry Powell," or a police stooge, seeking to make our society more
repressive.  This previous poster is more likely to be an anti-racist
than Milton Kleim.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:56:54 PDT 1996
Article: 28680 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
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Don't be fooled by the bogus header folks!  This was a *forgery*, either
before or with the alias.net remailer.  It was stylisticly the same
header as the forger criminal who's posting everyday the Z-Gram mailing 
list to alt.fan.ernst-zundel, after stealing the list from the author{s}.

The header shows a legitimate initial Path:  line, the *only* part of
every usenet header that is actually a reliable clue as to which site
initiated the forgery.  Anyone with sysadmin access to a newsserver
can falsify an entire header except for the beginning of a Path:  line.

The post was either a complete forgery, or it was forged mail sent
to the alias.net remailer with the command that allows *non-anonymous*
posting of forged mail.  I don't know which it was, but I don't think
the remailer allows header pasting of the From:  line.

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! Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:35:57 -0700
! Message-ID: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>
! From: nobody@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald)
! Comments: There is no way to determine the originator of this message.
	If you wish to be blocked from receiving all anonymous mail, send
	your request to the  mailing list.
	The operator of this particular remailer can be reached at
	.
! Subject: Milton Kleim
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  October 28. Last night I had to do the most unpleasant thing that I have
been called to do since joining the Organization four years ago. I participated
in the execution of a mutineer.
  Harry Powell was Unit 5's leader. Last week, when Washington Field
Command gave his unit the assignment of assassinating two of the most
obnoxious and outspoken advocates of racial mixing in this area -- a priest and
a rabbi, coauthors of a widely publicized petition to Congress requesting
special tax advantages for racially mixed married couples -- Powell refused the
assignment. He sent a message back to WFC saying that he was opposed to
the further use of violence and that his unit would not participate in any acts
of terrorism.
  He was immediately placed under arrest, and yesterday one representative
>from  each unit under WFC -- including Unit 5 -- was summoned to judge him.
Unit 10 was not able to send anyone, and so 11 members -- eight men and
three women -- met with an officer from WFC in the basement storeroom of a
gift shop owned by one of our "legals." I was Unit 1's representative.
  The officer from WFC stated the case against Powell very briefly. The Unit
5 representative then confirmed the facts: Powell had not only refused to
obey the assassination order, but he had instructed the members of his unit
not to obey either. Fortunately, they had not allowed themselves to be
subverted by him.
  Powell was then given an opportunity to speak in his behalf. He did so for
more than two hours, interrupted occasionally by a question from one of us.
What he said really shook me, but it made our decision easier for all of us, I
am sure.
  Harry Powell was, in essence, a "responsible conservative." The fact that
he was not only a member of the Organization but had become a unit leader
reflects more on the Organization than it does on him. His basic complaint
was that all our acts of terror against the System were only making things
worse by "provoking" the System into taking more and more repressive
measures.
  Well, of course, we all understood that! Or, at least, I thought we all
understood it. Apparently Powell didn't. That is, he didn't understand that
one of the major purposes of political terror, always and everywhere, is to
force the authorities to take reprisals and to become more repressive, thus
alienating a portion of the population and generating sympathy for the
terrorists. And the other purpose is to create unrest by destroying the
population's sense of security and their belief in the invincibility of the
government.
  As Powell continued talking, it became clearer and clearer that he was a
conservative, not a revolutionary. He talked as if the whole purpose of the
Organization were to force the System to institute certain reforms, rather
than to destroy the System, root and branch, and build something radically
and fundamentally different in its place.
  He was opposed to the System because it taxed his business too heavily.
(He had owned a hardware store before we were forced underground.) He
was opposed to the System's permissiveness with Blacks, because crime and
rioting were bad for business. He was opposed to the System's confiscation
of firearms, because he felt he needed a gun for personal security. His were
the motivations of a libertarian, the sort of self-centered individual who sees
the basic evil in government as a limitation on free enterprise.
  Someone asked him whether he had forgotten what the Organization has
repeated over and over, namely, that our struggle is to secure the future of
our race, and that the issue of individual freedom is subordinate to that one,
overwhelming purpose. His retort was that the Organization's violent tactics
are benefiting neither our race nor individual freedom.
  This answer proved again that he didn't really understand what we are
tr
ying to do. His initial approval of the use of force against the System was
based on the naive assumption that, by God, we'll show those bastards!
When the System, instead of backing down, began tightening the screws
even faster, he decided that our policy of terrorism is counter-productive.
  He simply could not accept the fact that the path to our goal cannot be a
retracing of our course to some earlier stage in our history, but must instead
be an overcoming of the present and a forging ahead into the future-with us
choosing the direction instead of the System. Until we have torn the rudder
out of its grasp and thrown the System overboard, the ship of state will go
careening on its hazardous way. There will be no stopping, no going back.
Since we are already among rocks and shoals, we are bound to get scraped
up pretty badly before we find any clear sailing.
  Maybe he was right that our tactics are wrong; the reaction of the people
will eventually answer that question. But his whole attitude, his whole
orientation was wrong. As I listened to Powell I was reminded of the
late-19th century writer, Brooks Adams, and his division of the human race
into two classes: spiritual man and economic man. Powell was the epitome of
economic man.
  Ideologies, ultimate purposes, the fundamental contradiction between the
System's world view and ours -- all these things had no meaning for him. He
regarded the Organization's philosophy as just so much ideological flypaper
designed to catch recruits for us. He saw our struggle against the System as a
contest for power and nothing more. If we could not whip them, then we
should try to force them to compromise with us.
  I wondered how many others in the Organization thought the way Powell
did, and I shuddered. We have been forced to grow too quickly. There has
not been sufficient time to develop in all our people the essentially religious
attitude toward our purpose and our doctrines which would have prevented
the Powell incident by screening him out early.

  As it was, we had no real choice in deciding Powell's fate. There was not
only his disobedience to consider, but also the fact that he had revealed
himself to be fundamentally unreliable. To have one of us-and a unit leader,
at that-talking openly to other members about trying to find a way to
compromise with the System, with the war just beginning... There was only
one way to deal with such a situation.
  The eight male members present drew straws, and three of us, including
me, ended up on the execution squad. When Powell realized that he was
going to be killed, he tried to make a break. We tied his hands and feet, and
then we had to gag him when he began shouting. We drove him to a wooded
area off the highway about 10 miles south of Washington, shot him, and
buried him.

The Turner Diaries
Chapter Seven
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 11:12:07 PDT 1996
Article: 85242 of soc.culture.german
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Anti-Racists Sought Global Extermination Of Germans
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In <50lh7u$k36@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com writes:

! In reference to the on-going Streicher-PORNOGRAPHER posts, 
! a number of articles written by Streicher were posted by the
! Nizkor people.  These articles, while not proving Streicher to be
! either a purveyor of pornography nor a murderer. lent positive 
! credence to what is already generally known; namely, that 
! Streicher was an incorrigible anti-Semite obsessed with the Jews
! and their alleged influence throughout the world.  The writings 
! quoted contained very harsh references to the Jewish people and
! depicted in the various contexts that a war of extermination was
! being fought between the powers of light (Germany and her allies), 
! and the powers of darkness (The "Jews" and their allies), according
! to Streicher.  The implication made by these postings seemed to be
! that Streicher deserved the death penalty by what he had written. 
! With this idea in mind, I now post some of the public exhortations of
! the Soviet propaganda master, Ilya Ehrenburg, and his published
! comments about German people.  Take note that the following was 
! written during the same time period as Streicher's Strmer.
! 
! His articles and broadcasts to Soviet citizens and troops referred to the
! Germans in the following terms:
! 
! "Pest-carrying rats", "berserk wolves", "Cannibals", "two-legged beasts",
! "Monsters", "wild beasts", "aryan beasts", "murdering scorpions", 'rats",
! "pillaging beasts", "lousy curs".  
! 
! Further exhortations include:  "We intend to simply exterminate them. (The  Germans)
! It has fallen upon us, to fulfill this humanitarian mission.  We are simply
! continuing the work of Pasteur, who discovered the Serum against
! rabies. We are continuing the work of all scientific researchers, who
! discovered the means of exterminating deadly microbes..."...and finally,
! "kill all Germans".  
! 
! (Vorsicht, Faelschung, pg. 95, 398, FZ-Verlag, Munich, 1994)
! 
! Unlike Streicher, whose newspaper only reached some 400,000 subscribers
! in a nation of 80 million, (Mainly near-approaching geriatric cases like himself),
! Ehrenburg's hate-filled exhortations to murder reached millions-where it would 
! have the greatest effect-the Soviet armed forces.  And we all know how 
! chivalrously the Soviet Army treated the German population in their "drang nach
! Westen"!  If there is any disagreement over the facts, I will be more than happy
! to post them.
! 
! So here are the two fanatics-Streicher, the German Nazi, and Ehrenburg, the
!  Soviet Jew .  TheGerman is hanged and Ehrenburg is honored.  Sounds like
!  a double-standard to me.
! You can't have it both ways, folks.  Well, you can, but it doesn't look so good.

Since all white people are historically Germanic, the only way to kill
all Germans is to kill all whites.  That is exactly what anti-racists
seek to do.  Racism is the most taboo subject in the world today.
It's idealogues hated worse than any other human subject whatsoever.
It's because racists are the only ones who have grasped the nature of
today's world.  Only racists are able to get to the root of our corrupt
society and sue for change.  Only racists are radical.  Anti-racists run
all markets, we must nationalise it.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 18:07:10 PDT 1996
Article: 63212 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Who sides with Hitler?
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In <50oo04$61d@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

Jews.  Jews are the most ardent admirers of Adolf Hitler.

Works: Robert Wayte, The Psychopathic God
       Konrad Heiden, The Fhrer
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 18:07:11 PDT 1996
Article: 63233 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Joel Rosenberg Laughs Off Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
Message-ID: 
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! In article  qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! 
! 
! 
! >In <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> Anonymous writes:
! >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
! 
! >Also, check the full header.
! 
! Isn't it more likely an explanation of what Mr. Kleim's ex-buddies would be 
! likely to do with him?  

No, because the Path:  line is identical to the copyright terrorist who's
stealing and posting the Zgrams.  Not only that, but anti-racists commit
over 99% of acts of violence every year that racists are the victim of.
Racists commit only one hundred acts of violence a year, and many racists
are falsely convicted every year because of political persecution by
anti-racists in power.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 18:07:11 PDT 1996
Article: 63248 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: The Jewish "Final Solution" for Whites
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Jews are mindless for trying to exterminate the white race.  It
just goes to show everbody how stupid the Asian American race
really is.  Whites are the best hope for the African American and
Asian American people, what's the thanks we get?  To kill us all!
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 18:07:12 PDT 1996
Article: 63249 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Judaism: Sobibor & the Jewish revolt
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In <50rdjl$ftn@viper.txdirect.net> nizkor@veritas.nizkor.org (Nizkor USA) writes:

! Archive/File: holocaust/poland/reinhard/sobibor sobibor.02
! Last-modified: 1995/08/18
! 
! "It was at Sobibor that one of the most daring revolts flared, which again
! alerted the Nazis to the enormous danger the Jews represented once they had
! secured arms. Hoess of Auschwitz, in his prison autobiography, wrote that
! the escape and its cost to the Nazis left a trail of shame. `The Jews,' he
! noted, `were able by force to achieve a major breakout during which almost
! all the guard personnel were wiped out.' Himmler was so outraged by the
! `humiliation' that he ordered Sobibor to be destroyed and all evidence of
! its activity erased.<22>
! 
! The revolt was organized by a Jewish prisoner, Alexander (Sasha)
! Pechersky, a Red Army officer captured by the Nazis in October 1941 and
! shunted from Minsk to several camps until September 1943, when he finally
! landed in Sobibor. His ingenuity was demonstrated when an official call
! came for carpenters. Pechersky, who was no more a carpenter than Szmuluwski
! at Auschwitz was a roofer, wolunteered and was plucked from the death line.
! It was not long before he rose to leadership in the camp underground and
! became the organizer of a major attempt at mass escape. He warned his
! comrades that there was little to be gained by waiting for the vaporous
! signals that might never come from the Polish Partisans in the forest. `We
! are not allowed to give up life,' he said. `We must live in order to take
! our revenge....No one can do our work for us.'

He was non-Jewish.  Jews are incapable of fighting back.  Haven't you heard
of Elie Weisel?  Jews are the conscience of the world, not the fighters.

! Pechersky's realism became the credo of those who joined him in the revolt
! set for October 14.  Each conspirator was given a station -- the tailor
! shop or the storehouse, the cabinet makers' quarters of the armory.  Each
! methodically disposed of an unsuspecting Nazi guard or guards by stabbing,
! strangling, or smashing skulls.  Thirty-eight Germans and Ukrainians were

These are war crimes by international law.  Jews will be furious to hear
that they are war criminals.  It was previously claimed that all the war
criminals were properly punished at the Nrnbrg trials.  I may be wrong, 
I just don't recall Mr. Percersky being executed with the other war 
criminals by Mr. Woods on the Third Reich documentaries I've seen.
Pro-Holocaust hatred of the slavs noted.

! killed and many more wounded.  The SS lost ten of its top officers.  The
! prisoners donned the uniforms of the slain and Pechersky gave the signal
! for the dash to the fence.  The sudden attack and the disguise of the
! uniforms only temporarily delayed the counter-attack.  Fleeing prisoners
! were strafed by machine gun fire from the watch towers.  Nevertheless,
! about six hundred, including many women, broke out across the various
! barriers to the forest.  The Nazis mounted a search-and-destroy mission,
! in the course of which all but about sixty were caught and killed. When the
! story broke in the international press, Himmler ordered the camp inmates to
! be destroyed and, as noted, leveled Sobibor to the ground. Even the geese
! were killed.
! 
! More than twenty years passed before a dozen of the Sobibor Nazis and their
! Ukrainian collaborators were brought to trial, some in the Soviet Union in
! 1965, the others in Germany in 1966. Pechersky, who had devoted two decades
! of his post-Holocaust life to hunting them down, was a chief prosecution
! witness. Ten of the accused were found guilty and hanged. The others, for
! whom no witnesses could be located to testify, received life sentences,
! soon commuted or suspended. A German writer, Robert Neuman, computed that
! the average sentence was about ten minutes of prison time for each murdered
! victim." (Sachar, 42-43)

Thank you.  Comrade Stalin should also be praised for his devotion to
justice.

! <22> Hoess, Rudolf. Commandant of Auschwitz. p. 45
! 
!                               Work Cited
! 
! Sachar, Abram L. The Redemption of the Unwanted. New York: St.
! Martin's/Marek, 1983.  
! 
! For those interested in learning more about the escape, we recommend the
! following as an excellent starting point:
! 
! Rashke, Richard. Escape From Sobibor (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1982)
! 
! Rashke provides text for the report sent by the Security Police to Berlin on
! October 15, 1943:
! 
! "On October 14, 1943, at about 5:00 P.M., a revot of Jews in the SS camp
! Sobibor, twenty-five miles north of Chelm. They overpowered the guards,
! seized the armory, and, after an exchange of shots with the camp garrison,
! fled in unknown directions. Nine SS men murdered, one SS man missing, two
! foreign guards shot to death.
! 
! Approximately 300 Jews escaped. They remainder were shot to death or are now
! in camp. Military police and armed forces were notified immediately and took
! over security of the camp at about 1:00 A.M. The area south and southwest of
! Sobibor is now being searched by police and armed forces."
! 
! --
! The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 18:07:13 PDT 1996
Article: 63271 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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In <50l6rb$a6r@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! 
! >  The Federal Reserve System is composed of one bank with twelve
! >  branches run by a board of directors.
! 
! 	12 USCA section 221 states differently.

So?  It acts like it is.

! >  ! 	2.  That those banks are owned by the "national" banks in the region 
! >  ! in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the president.
!   
! >  The twelve branches are owned by the one central Federal Reserve 
! >  System, a bank run by a board of directors appointed by the president
! >  of the USA.
! 
! 	The 12 regional banks are, by law, owned by the national banks in that 
! region.

They are owned by the Federal Reserve System, which is one bank.

! >  ! 	3.  That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks 
! >  ! is a "fantasy."
!   
! >  The eight Jewish run banks are the Federal Monetary system, a
! >  system that has been in place since the predecession of World
! >  War I.
! 
! 	Funny most of thought the Fed, for better or for worse, ran out monetary 
! system.

Which is effectively run by the eight Jewish banks, which controls our
money supply.
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 18:07:14 PDT 1996
Article: 63294 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racist Terrorism Victimises The Devout
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Anti-Racists have reacted to the continual stream of pro-terrorist
messages generated by the anti-racist conspiratorial network.  There have
been hundreds of anti-racist fires started at racist churches recently.
The anti-racist network must be broken.  We must stop anti-racism!
The terrorism must come to an end!  Please boycott the illegal media
monopoly.  Please help stop the hate.  Just don't buy it.  Give a 
signal to the terrorists that their "news" and "entertainment" will not
be tolerated to the extent of burning children to death, or denying the
God given right to worship after your own fashion, anyway that you choose.
Christians have the right to breath, too!
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From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep  7 18:39:25 PDT 1996
Article: 63310 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: This is suppported by Edeiken
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In <50p7o2$b9s@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >  Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521
! 
! 	In most courts the judge gives a ruling.  Why is no ruling given here?
! 
! 	The answer is obvious.

That the Nrnbrg trials were a fraud tolerated of the Soviets?
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:49 PDT 1996
Article: 63355 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: usmc.mil also attacking usenet - cypherpunks
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:50 PDT 1996
Article: 63366 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: THE CRIME THAT DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME
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In  karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

! rblackmore@juno.com writes:
! 
! >Has anyone noticed how the affirmers will not touch the post
! >"STREICHER vs EHRENBURG" with a 10 foot pole?  Might
! >elicit some awkward philosophical premises.
! 
! Possibly because no one gives diddly about Ilya Ehrenburg, whose 
! survival through the Stalinist era speaks rather badly for him by 
! itself. BTW, where did you garner your Ehrenburg quotes? Primary 
! or secondary sources?
! 
! As for Streicher, as many have pointed out, his contemporaries
! seem to have called him a pornographer on a number of occasions.
! That of course does not mean that we would call him a pornographer
! today, with rather different community standards. I don't know
! where I could find a representative selection from his periodical
! in original or translation to check out the charge, nor do I see
! why this is necessary. Why don't you quote the Nurenberg indictment
! and simply argue whether it was accurate? This enormous flurry of
! messages, mostly from your keyboard, seems rather a waste of time.

Clearly, you believe the Holocaust to be a scam.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:51 PDT 1996
Article: 63367 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: THE CRIME THAT DARE NOT SPEAK IT'S NAME
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In <50t14j$19d@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com writes:

! Has anyone noticed how the affirmers will not touch the post
! "STREICHER vs EHRENBURG" with a 10 foot pole?  Might
! elicit some awkward philosophical premises.

Well, what do you expect?  Facts?  Facts are a conspiracy 
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:51 PDT 1996
Article: 63397 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Turner Diaries
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In <322D0A9B.2717@stud.jura.aau.dk> Someone  writes:

! Hi
! 
! Could anyone please email me a copy (etext) of the Turner Diaries (I know 
! it will be illegal to have a copy of this on disc and distributing it) 
! but I can't get my hands on it here in Denmark.

Why don't you tell us about it?  An anti-racist just posted a 
fragment of it from chapter seven as an intended terroristic threat 
against Milton Kleim.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:52 PDT 1996
Article: 63419 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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In <50nftk$7jl@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! rbeck@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) writes:
! >... and yet, according to Mr Harman, Whites Created Everything. How, if the
! >"whites" were so "resilient," and so "intellectual," did they ever let things
! >slip so badly as to let the dirty Jews get into the saddle? Absence of mind?
! 
! 	Ahhh, the problem is simple - Dave Harman really thinks _Jews_ are the
! supermen!!

You are anti-racist scum because you hate the Irish.  Racists are the
*real* Irish, not the buffoon "Irish" who date Jews.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:53 PDT 1996
Article: 63442 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Fuckhead
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In <50sq6a$3ub@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! >Fuckhead.  You use cgi tricks to defeat www.anonmizer.com, scumbag
! 
! 	Harman has even quoted entire articles on the cypherpunks list with
! the reply "Fuckhead".
Fuckhead.  Only once to Dr. Fuckhead, everone approves
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:54 PDT 1996
Article: 63443 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: IGNORE THAT ASSHOLE DAVE HARMON....READ RGE PAGE
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The assault forger strikes again, that pig from netcom.ca .
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:01:54 PDT 1996
Article: 63456 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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In <50nhab$du1@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! : ! 	3.  That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks 
! : ! is a "fantasy."
! : 
! : The eight Jewish run banks are the Federal Monetary system, a
! : system that has been in place since the predecession of World
! : War I.
! 
! No, they don't.  All of these claims are easily refuted by referring to the
! act that set up the bank--The Federal Reserve Act of 1913--or to the rules
! an regulations of the Fed.  These are available at any Government Documents
! Depository library.  There's also a lot of info on the net.  A good place
! to start is:
! 
! http://www.bog.frb.fed.us/pf/pf.htm
! 
! It's amazing that you folks continue to post this easily-refuted crap,
! and refuse to post a scintilla of evidence, and still expect to be taken
! seriously.

Semantics.  The Federal Reserve System is one bank with twelve branches
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 10:14:48 PDT 1996
Article: 85269 of soc.culture.german
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Only Two Percent And They Want To Kill Us All
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Anti-racists are a group of parasites whom are seeking to destroy the racial
feeling of its host population once and for all, through the means of
encouraging diversity along with promoting the invasion of racist
homelands by swarms of faster reproducing anti-racists.  Diversity and
numerical engulfment would result in the extermination of racists, and
its subsequent replacement with a mongrelized African Asian European mess.  

By flooding former racist homelands with anti-racists and demanding 
diversity, the weapon of European racist feeling will be effectively solved
for all time by genocide.  Afterwards, presumably Jews can carry on
their traditional position of dominance and control of the society, but
for the first time there will be no opposition, as the mongrelized
population cannot assert racism, because by definition it can have
none.  Without the virtues of racism, the mestizo population will
not be able to oppose or overthrow Jewish rule.

This group of people to which I refer has used its media and money power
to label the natural and healthy racist instinct within whites as
criminal and has declared that specifically racism is the root of
all evil in the world.  This has resulted in white people feeling
guilty for a natural urge within them, much like how Judeo-Christianity
makes their followers feel guilty for the racist sexual drive.  

Jews traditionally have always been looked upon as suspect in racist
societies and sthetically undesirable.  Although many Jews today have
stolen white genes such as blue eyes, there still exists the prominent
Jewish prototype of kinky hair, swarthy features, Mongolian eyes, and a
large bent potatoe nose.  This made the Jews stand out among their host 
societies, especially in the Scandinavian countries of Northern Europe. 
Today, thousands of Jews each year pay to camouflage their own features 
to look like aryans by attempting to modify their faces to the European 
standard of beauty.  

In the Dark Ages, Jews obtained a universal reputation for ruthlessness 
in trade, and as a result was always viewed as a sinister figure in 
medievel European society.  Reports of Jewish incidents of defrauding 
citizens in every country they inhabited earned them the general 
reputation of shysters.  Furthermore, they added nothing to the 
European masters of art and music.  In short, Jews have historically 
been distrusted, shunned, and marginalized in European civilization from 
the very beginning of their immigration to Europe from Asia.  It is 
likely that there exists an element of resentment, if not envy, in the 
Jewish effort to liquidate the white race.
 
It needs to be emphasised that this anti-racist promotion of white
racial extermination is not so much the result of a planned conspiracy,
it is the result of a social biological urge.  Colour is naturally and 
rightfully threatened by the racial feelings of their white host 
populations.  For the first time in history, however, the race is
being overwhelmed by non-whites and diversity is encouraged by a
highly effective and sophisticated media, and it appears Jews are
effectively, even if instinctively, dealing with the hated racial
feeling, which has always been their poison. 

We can overcome this effort to murder us, we can start breeding again, 
having at least eight racist children each.  If you already have coloured
children, be sure to have white children too!  Every white in the world
shoud have eight children, just like the average anti-racist in Kenya 
and The Philipines has eight children.  We must have more white children
bourne, we must outbreed colour!  Death to anti-racists!  Death to all 
who want to exterminate white children!  
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 10:16:31 PDT 1996
Article: 72146 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Why Should We Allow Neo-Nazis To Be Converts?
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DATELINE:  July 4th 1996/Washington D.C.  Associated Press 
  
The White-interest group "USA Rebirth" held its national convention, amid 
crowd of over 50 demonstrators, at the Holocaust Memorial in Washington D.C. 
According to National Chairman John Teague, "I didn't know until very 
recently that it was going to be held at the Holocaust Memorial. I had UR 
manager find an appropriate place. Little did I know what we were in for." 
UR manager Roth could not be reached for comment.  UR Members were 
confronted at the door with jeers and pamplets.  Two protest signs read 
"Neo-Nazis Won't Repeat Auschwitz Here!" and "U.R. is a NEO-NAZI SKINHEAD."   
  
One UR member was assaulted by three crowd members after a brief shouting 
match. Police descended on the altercation to extricate the UR member from 
the bottom of the pile.  "Let me up!  I'm a Jew!" yelled Thomas Herschberg, 
"and I have as much right to be here as anyone else."  Herschberg was 
treated afterwards at Bethesda Memorial Hospital for minor cuts and bruises, 
but chose not to press charges. "I understand their pain.  I have protested 
the Holocaust before," Herschberg said.  "My grandfather was at Buchenwald, 
Belsen, Treblinka, Dachau and two other deathcamps. But part of being an 
American is listening to others' viewpoints."   
  
Meanwhile, as the crowd of protesters followed the UR entorage inside, the 
museum curator asked UR members to don yarmulkes in a traditional Jewish 
gesture of respect. "That was easy," says Teague. "We already had white ones 
as a part of our organization's uniform."  The shadowing crowd immediately 
began jeering the UR for their attire.  Five were finally led away by police 
after one protester removed the white yarmulke from UR member Kwanzella 
Washington.  "This is an outrage!" yelled Rabbi Schmolo Greenblatt as two 
officers led him away.  He was later released outside the Memorial grounds. 
"Can you imagine White neo-nazis entering the Holocaust Memorial wearing 
yarmulkes? It is an insult to Jews.  They're mocking us."  
  
While inside curator Moshe Arendt escorted the UR through a scheduled field 
trip through the museum lasting over four hours.  The museum tour/marathon 
allowed two five minutes breaks for refreshment consisting of 
metallic-tasting water and stale bread.  "We conceived the museum to give an 
experience of full authencity," said Moshe about the refreshments. One 
hagard UR member, Alan Arocin, chose to ride the "Guilt Spinner" twice, 
consisting of a conveyor belt on which the rider jogs in place at increasing 
speeds while a weighted bag is slowly lowered down on the runner from a 
suspended cable on which read the words "Never Again."  "My father was a 
Mexican," said breathless Arocin. "I don't feel any guilt about the 
Holocaust, thank god.  But I wanted to beat the Guilt-Spinner record."  Alan 
was logged in at 60 pounds for over 10 minutes, well short of the 
established record-holder.   
  
Several local camera crews followed UR during the tour of the museum. 
Towards the end of the tour, the group approached the "wailing wall" a huge 
solid black onyx wall, in-laid with platinum, on which is inscribed the six 
million. Above the wall, interactive speakers played a continuous hum of 
noise which was later explained to be the actual screams of the tortured and 
dying jews, taken directly from an Auschwitz file recording found in 
Hitler's own library, which according to Arendt, was played every night as a 
pleasant sound to sooth the Fuhrer to sleep. "We've spared no expense," 
Arendt told the crowd, visibly pained. At the wailing wall, a solid steel 
trellis dropped in behind the only exit leading out the vaulted chamber and 
the lights became dim automatically. The speakers' noise level was then 
turned up to explosive decibels for a full five minutes. Arendt was seen 
putting in ear-protectors while surprised UR members used their hands.  Four 
UR members reportedly fell to the ground, clutching their ears after two 
minutes. Only two cameramen and three reporters were allowed into the 
wailing wall chamber.  The lights suddenly turned back on. 
  
"Shocking," remarked a pale Teague as the group was led out of the chamber.  
  
At the final exhibit, the "Room of Hate," the crowd was confronted with a 
grand piano made by Rudolph Hoess, the commandant of Aushwitz, using 
exclusively the various body parts of murdered Jews. "The strings themselves 
are made of human hair," Arendt stated solemnly to a murmuring and hushed 
crowd of UR members.  To the surprise of the audience, the east wall shifted 
and a Nazi-attired figure with a death-mask and skeletal fingers took a seat 
at the piano. The song being played was explained to be a minimalist version 
of Wagner's "Prelude to Lohingren."  "It is becoming increasingly well-known 
that Wagner plagiarized Mendelsohn," Arendt reported over the brilliant 
notes softly emanating from the keyboard.  At the other end of the room, a 
mural of dead Jewish infants was set in bas-relief, to which the UR group 
was led. It was at that point that Teague turned to Arendt in dismay.  "I'm 
speechless, Moshe," said an overwhelmed Teague. "I have never seen anything 
half this evil.  Now I finally understand," Teague said at once turning to 
the wall of cameramen poised to his right.   
  
At 2:00 p.m. the USA Rebirth official conference began without delay. A 
panel of speakers sat in chairs accross the stage, with John Teague sitting 
conspicuously in the chair nearest the microphone. The headnote speaker was 
Rabbi Cooper, who harangued the audience and Teague in particular for over 
fifteen minutes, for UR's "notoriously conservative views."  "I am a 
conservative myself," Cooper spoke. "I am for cutting government deficit 
spending. I supported George Bush in 1988," Cooper told a captive UR 
audience. "But you people are talking about cutting off government aid to 
immigrant children.  We're talking about lunch money.  These are little 
human lives, no different then our own children," Cooper stated. As Cooper 
finished he was given an applause by the audience, and after Teague stood 
up, a standing ovation as Cooper walked from the stage. 
  
The next speaker was former California Immigration Task Force director, 
Hunter Garfield, who immediately took the federal government to task for 
"allowing, through negligence and politics, the country to be invaded." 
"You got these liberals," Hunter said, "who want to save everybody.  What 
about America first?"  The speaker received scattered applause at this 
point, as Teague looked out over the audience.  McGee looked to Teague and 
slowly continued.  "This may sound racist," Hunter continued, "but I say.." 
Hunter looked both ways, "we should only allow LEGAL immigrants into the 
U.S.of A!"  Again, a scattered applaused broke the silence.  
  
Three other speakers, representing the Women's Conservative League, the 
Coalition to End Affirmative Action (CEAA), and the nation of Islam, 
respectively, gave a five minute speech each.  At that point cocktails were 
served and members were given opportunity to greet the speakers.  Twenty 
minutes later, the questioning forum began.  The first speaker, a 
bespectacled white man, approached the microphone: 
  
"I have a question for John Teague. Why, sir, do you think we are 
experiencing such a drop in the quality of our schools?"  Mr. Teague 
confidently responded, "Standards have fallen because merit is not the 
standard by which to we are advancing our students. If they would just 
reinstall the advancement by merit instead of by race, the best would be 
more motivated and the educational system would run much better," Teague and 
followed his response with a thorough synopsis of a recent study by the 
Heritage Foundation survey study of several high school in the New Jersey 
school system.  The speaker, satisfied with the response, nodded 
appreciately and left the microphone.   
  
The questioning ceremony continued without event for a full half an hour. 
One interesting response was given from the Nation of Islam Muamad F'aram 
after a question was directed to him on race relations. He stated in candid 
terms that "the White man's going to have give us some of his stolen land," 
while which Mr. Teague was seen nodding thoughtfully.  After F'aram's 
statement, Teague commented at the microphone "it is remarkable to compare 
the experience of African-American youngsters in the school system today 
with that of White youngsters.  We have two entirely different cultures 
which, according to a recent poll of African poll of African-Ameicans, might 
be better off living separately."  Afterwards, there was a video shown on 
the "Changing Face of America" in which it was projected that "White 
Americans would be a minority possibly as early as 2080."  The lights were 
turned back on and the crowd was thanked by Mr. Teague who wished their 
attendance at the upcoming seasonal banquet to be held at a place to be 
announced in the next issue of UR's magazine "New Conservative World." 
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 11:00:35 PDT 1996
Article: 63522 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: The Score: PBI August 30th-September 7th
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In <50u0uv$dc7@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! Posts batted in, for those interested in the big picture. Mr. Giwer
! maintains his commanding lead, if you can call it that. This is strictly a
! sorted list of From: lines. No attempt has been made to authenticate the
! sender or to group together different From: lines that are really the same
! person (for example, rblackmore/jbelling, rich/rcgraves).

Without posting your methods, it's hard to trust your figures.  Why don't
you post the code you used.  I can try sed 'ing the news spool for the
first From:  match of each numbered file of the appropriate directory, but 
I don't know how to restrict searches to specific file dates.  You also 
are including forgeries that victimise Matt Giwer and a few forge cancels
of myself. 

It's also a novel idea to include the Path:  line with each From:  line,
or even simply sort by the Path:  .  The Path:  line is the only part of
a header that is actually reliable, in proportion to normal sort order,
because some abusers like you and Dr. Fuckhead appear to have root access
to one or more of your harrassment outposts.

! The top five revisionazis -- Giwer, RBlackmore/JBelling, Moran, Skippy,
! and Sodomizer -- account for fully 32% of the postings in the group.
! Morons, yes, but prolific morons.

All five of whom are more interesting than the siggers, whose beliefs 
are too redundant to be interesting.  You seem to be advocating that 
siggers increase their spam load, it's redundant enough already.

!    1610 total
!     195 mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer)
!     104 rblackmore@juno.com
!      86 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
!      83 joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
!      78 qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
!      66 gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
!      58 yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
!      54 rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves)
!      51 dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
!      45 goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER)
!      44 dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman)

I'm not a revisionist, and I don't think goat is either.  The top 10 
siggers may as well post from the same address as their opinion about 
the freethinkers is so redundant.

!      41 libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson)
!      31 rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi)
!      28 mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
!      25 schwartz@infinet.com
!      25 Keith Morrison 
!      24 libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson)
!      22 kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
!      21 ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
!      18 abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels)
!      18 Laurinda Stryker 
!      17 mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis)
!      16 kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
!      15 olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
!      15 dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
!      14 scotterb@maine.maine.edu (Scott Erb)
!      13 Alexander Baron 
!      12 klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis)
!      12 Alec Grynspan 
!      11 rbeck@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck)
!      11 Brian Harmon 
!      10 mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis)
!      10 jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
!      10 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis)
!      10 Jean-Francois Beaulieu 
!       9 Annie Alpert 
!       8 zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink)
!       8 joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles)
!       8 jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
!       8 amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews)
!       8 Chuck Ferree 
!       8 "Rene v. Rentzell" 
!       7 ronkanen@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo Ronkanen)
!       7 kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern)
!       7 hce@magmacom.com (Howard Eisenberger)
!       7 bob whitaker 
!       7 Kevin Alfred Strom 
!       6 ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)
!       5 skok@itw.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
!       5 pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki)
!       5 kmcvay@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC)
!       5 itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James)
!       5 amcl@netcomuk.co.uk (Angus M. McLellan)
!       5 Marty Kelley 
!       5 100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik)
!       4 zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost)
!       4 pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff)
!       4 nizkor@veritas.nizkor.org (Nizkor USA)
!       4 nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor)
!       4 aviary@pigeon.com (Hawkman Harold)
!       4 atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton)
!       4 Markus Egg 
!       4 Bob Whitaker 
!       4 "D. Braun" 
!       3 kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay)
!       3 karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power)
!       3 hydigger@aol.com (Bodhisattva)
!       3 gcf@panix.com (G*rd*n the Demon Rat)
!       3 dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas)
!       3 bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva)
!       2 unique cats 
!       2 robk@rio.com (Rob Kowalewski)
!       2 rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green)
!       2 nrn@tezcat.com (Norman Nithman)
!       2 nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor Canada)
!       2 ncrccjc@ibm.net (Bernie Farber)
!       2 mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
!       2 lness@indiana.edu (Lester John Ness)
!       2 gtaylor@msn.fullfeed.com (Gregory Taylor)
!       2 drobnicki@ycvax.york.cuny.edu
!       2 brucew@phoenix.net (Bruce Wedding)
!       2 bds@ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce Scott TOK )
!       2 ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
!       2 arcline@phoenix.princeton.edu (Austin Cline)
!       2 alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
!       2 act@ipp-garching.mpg.de (zhang zhiyao)
!       2 TJNYE@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Tim Nye)
!       2 Stig 
!       2 Rich Graves 
!       2 Laura Finsten 
!       2 Barry Bruyea 
!       2 "P.L." 
!       2 "Chaz Clover" 
!       1 you@somehost.somedomain (ashbyrne)
!       1 whitewil@nando.net
!       1 tweek@netcom.com (Reverend Tweek)
!       1 slking@fas.harvard.edu (Stewart King)
!       1 simpsonm@cris.com (Matthew Simpson)
!       1 shriker@concentric.net
!       1 schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz)
!       1 roth1@ix.netcom.com(Moritz Rothschild)
!       1 rob89103@usa.pipeline.com(Vegas Bob)
!       1 rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)
!       1 reverend@iinet.net.au (peter wheeler)
!       1 qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
!       1 pyotr@coho.halcyon.com (pyotr filipivich)
!       1 nobody@replay.com (Los Angeles Times Copyright Terrorist)
!       1 nobody@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald)
!       1 nmonagha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan)
!       1 mslu@ix.netcom.com(Lucile V. Wilson)
!       1 modemac@tiac.net (Modemac)
!       1 maschine@gvn.net (Uber Geist)
!       1 marduk@netcom.ca (marduk)
!       1 marcumb@okstate.edu (Bobby D. Marcum)
!       1 map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de (Martin Paegert)
!       1 kmcvay@zeuge.nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC)
!       1 klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis)
!       1 kdare@compusmart.ab.ca (Jenocyde)
!       1 kamamer@zot.io.org (karl mamer)
!       1 kamamer@zap.io.org (karl mamer)
!       1 k5kurtz@troi.sbcc.cc.ca.us (k5kurtz)
!       1 johnsonp@crosslink.net (The Lady Trailblazer)
!       1 jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
!       1 jchance 
!       1 jboswell@enterprise.net (Boz)
!       1 jbelling@sprynet.com
!       1 hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta Thomas)
!       1 gdy52150@prairie.lakes.com (gdy52150@prairie.lakes.com)
!       1 gary.nt@ix.netcom.com (ZB)
!       1 fatbroad@veritas.nizkor.org (Fatbroad!)
!       1 eylerjs@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
!       1 easy, @money.com
!       1 dexter@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Frosch)
!       1 davids@iaccess.com.au (D.J)
!       1 d.diduck@sk.sympatico.ca (Dave Diduck)
!       1 cyclops@mail.microserve.net (DAVID BAINS)
!       1 coonec@rpi.edu (Christopher Michael Cooney)
!       1 christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund)
!       1 chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall)
!       1 bw@chicago.net (Bob Wilson)
!       1 brendat@nwlink.com (Brenda Tipton)
!       1 brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu
!       1 beebe@scd.hp.com (Mike Beebe)
!       1 bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim)
!       1 andygarcia@uk.pipeline.com (Andy Garcia)
!       1 alec@gryn.org@       (Alec Grynspan)
!       1 alec@gryn.org
!       1 agent13@midwest.net (Joe Littrell)
!       1 adscapes@ix.netcom.com (Turiyan gold)
!       1 adruid@netdoor.com (dannie hawkins)
!       1 acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
!       1 TsuiDB 
!       1 T1000@skynet.com (Terminator)
!       1 Someone 
!       1 Richard Rawlings 
!       1 Ourobouros
!       1 Mike Conway 
!       1 MCX 
!       1 Laura Finsten 
!       1 Ken_Lewis@basicly.portal.ca (Ken Lewis)
!       1 Ken_Lewis@basicly.portal.ca
!       1 Just me again 
!       1 John Stone <20676jrs@msu.edu>
!       1 John Konopak 
!       1 Henry Ayre 
!       1 Eggy Bhuna Massala <"eggybhuna"@purbeck.demon.co .uk>
!       1 Commandante Meow Meow Matt Bruce 
!       1 Chris Longhurst 
!       1 
!       1 <>
!       1 "art guerrilla" 
!       1 "Wes Kreider" 
!       1 "Ryan " 
!       1 "Robert L. Watson" 
!       1 "Duncan R. MacMillan" 
!       1 "Denes S. Varady" 
!       1 "Charles M. Cambria" 
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 11:00:36 PDT 1996
Article: 63525 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Rich Graves Becomes A Revisionist Without Knowing It
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
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In  llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! simply do not buy this "Nazism v. Communism struggle" garbage. Hitler was
! an opportunist, not an anti-communist. He signed a pact with Stalin in
! 1939, ferchrissakes, and divided Poland with him. Yes, even in the early
! days, he ranted against Communist influence, but I see those as tactical
! moves. Nazi propaganda became more and more anti-Bolshevik over time as
! the battle raged on the Eastern Front -- an instrumental development, not
! an ideological development. Hitler was defeated by the folly of a land war
! in Asia, by *good* forces from the west, and, yes, in part by evil forces
! from the East (but by the time Germany was actually defeated, the Soviet
! army was arguably more Russian nationalist than Communist).

I don't buy it either, it's tactics.  Communism is just an economics 
system, just like capitalism is.  The evil forces {w}{[ea]}re racial 
forces, not economic.  Although my feeling is to put economic values 
second to race, I adore the economic system of Josef Stalin, it has a 
powerful effect on getting people to give up classist values and 
stick to racial national values.  

! "Nazism v. Communism" was a historical accident, not the titanic struggle
! that Nazis like to believe it was (is). They are not fundamentally
! opposed, but both are fundamentally opposed to freedom and democracy.
! That's why most decent people in the West -- left, right, and center --
! set aside their differences to oppose both. And they defeated both.

No they didn't.  Ideas are worth fighting for.  We won the validation
of racism as a political structure.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 11:25:24 PDT 1996
Article: 42396 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Milton Kleim
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In <50siqs$fui@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! I am more than adequately prepared with weapons and security measures to
! counter any genuine threat to my safety.  While I'd rather never be placed
! in such a position, I am ready and more than willing to defend myself with
! whatever means are necessary. LET EVERYONE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THIS: I would
! not hesitate for a second to do what is necessary to defend myself, those
! around me, or my home.

I'm happy for you, manliness is next to godliness.  Glock 26's are the 
latest piece.  Speaking of guns, I think there could have been more 
aggressive advertising attempts of Mr. Pierce's books than apparently
occured before settling with an anti-racist publisher.  I agree that 
the book is "not that great" as the author himself said, Hunter is even
better.  This should be a good test of whether they're going to merchandise
their copyrights or whether this one was enough.  I cannot find the 
Barricade edition stocked in any bookstores, the ability to order it
is not good enough.  Why not instead go and attempt to advertise in
any periodical that makes the pretense of supporting free speech?
San Fracisco Bay Guardian would be my first choice for the Bay Area.
The Homosexual Jewish management of that particular free weekly has
a 100,000+ readership who are probably 95+% not Jewish or Homosexual.
I've only seen two NVB ads, both in gun magazines.

! As for the philosophical implications of the excerpt taken from _the Turner
! Diaries_, let me state that at no time did I take an oath to any man or any
! organization.  I am not bound by any "code of honor" that I voluntarily
! submitted to.  I have never held a "movement" position or "rank" granted to
! me to by another.  I joined the National Alliance voluntarily, and resigned
! in proper manner.  My resignation from and denunciation of the "movement,"
! including the National Alliance, came long after my resignation from the
! Alliance itself.  I do not have to justify my actions to anyone. 
! 
! I am not afraid of any "movement" morons and nut-cases coming after me for
! my statements of truth (which make them fear for their money-making
! potential and the the cohesion of their infantile fantasy worlds), for my
! "cause" is right and just.  Theirs is not.  As God could not bless Hitler's
! "movement" decades ago, resulting in Germany's defeat by other evil forces,
! God cannot bless the "movement" and the purposes of the National Alliance or
! Resistance Records today.  They, too, will fail, and as I made clear, I wish
! to be no part of their unholy "cause."  
! 
! My Fate is in the Hand of God, not in that of wild-eyed mental cases who
! desire "revenge" against a "race-traitor" like me.  Several "movement"
! activists have already resigned with us.  WhiteWolf will shortly announce
! his own resignation, for some of the same reasons as my own.  I dare quote
! the German prayer: "Gott mit uns" --  but not with William Pierce or George
! Burdi.  I shall do right.  To quote a great German leader, Dr. Martin
! Luther: "Here I stand, I can do nothing other."
! 
! If the post was a joke, ha ha.  If it was not, then YOU -- the "movement"
! fanatic who posted it -- stand warned.  Steer clear of me, and we'll both be
! better off.

Fool.  It was posted by an anti-racist hoping for a predictable response.
The operation was a complete success.

Seriously, how do feel about posting the Turner Diaries itself to usenet?
I mean, if the problem is distribution....

Also, what's wrong with divorcing the movement's philosophy from the
individual philosophers?  There's no movement really, yet, so why not
consider the movement to be the collective racist spirit?  Why not
consider Hunter, National Socialism Primer, Rahowa, etc., to be the 
collective property of the movement?  There's no leadership, with the 
growth of the movement, perhaps inpiring leaders will eventually show 
themselves.  But in the mean time, freedom will do.

The more white chldren the better!

! http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 11:56:27 PDT 1996
Article: 63550 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Fuckhead
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <3230aa0e.4724209@news.pacificnet.net> <50qm4c$o6@Networking.Stanford.EDU>  <50sq6a$3ub@bell.maths.tcd.ie> 
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In  llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! In article <50sq6a$3ub@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
! wrote:
! 
! > /qut@netcom.com/:j (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! > >Fuckhead.  You use cgi tricks to defeat www.anonmizer.com, scumbag
! > 
! >         Harman has even quoted entire articles on the cypherpunks list
! > with the reply "Fuckhead".

Once, to Dr. Fuckhead.

! >         What eloquence, what style, what a maroon!!!
! 
! You mean he's still posting?

Why not, do you expect your tricks to always work?

! -rich
!  http://www.c2.org/~rich/
Fckhead.  Are you still ruining your own web pages with incredibly
annoying cgi driven graphics every thirty seconds?
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 11:56:28 PDT 1996
Article: 63551 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Fuckhead
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
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In <50sq6a$3ub@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! >Fuckhead.  You use cgi tricks to defeat www.anonmizer.com, scumbag
! 
! 	Harman has even quoted entire articles on the cypherpunks list with
! the reply "Fuckhead".

Once.  To Dr. Fuckhead

! 	What eloquence, what style, what a maroon!!!
! 
! 	Derek
Fckhead.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 11:56:29 PDT 1996
Article: 63560 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>   
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:10:26 GMT
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In  llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! In article , joelr@winternet.com (Joel
! Rosenberg) wrote:
! 
! > In article  qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! > 
! > >In <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> Anonymous writes:
! > >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
! > 
! > >Also, check the full header.
! 
! As I've posted elsewhere, there is nothing at all unusual about the
! Message-ID or the headers.

Yes, there is.  berkeley.edu is in no way connected with c2.net
who owns the alias.net domain.  You know that, why do you lie?  It
has the *same* Path:  line as the stolen and forged e-mails authored
by Ingrid Rimland.  Why do you even do this?  No proof, except you 
hold a grudge against anyone connected in any way with the Zndels or
the NA, because they threaten the conclusions of your degree in 
politics.

! > Isn't it more likely an explanation of what Mortie's ex-buddies would be 
! > likely to do with him?
! 
! I don't consider either extreme at all likely. It's a troll. Ignore it.

Of course it's a troll!  Done by anti-racists.  Ignore it.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 11:56:31 PDT 1996
Article: 63562 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>  
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:52:02 GMT
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In  llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! In article , (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! > Don't be fooled by the bogus header folks!
! 
! Huh? There's no bogus header on your post this time. You're not even
! setting followups to alt.flame.
! 
! > ! Path:
! netcom.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!flesh.fly.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news
! > ! Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:35:57 -0700
! > ! Message-ID: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>
! > ! From: nobody@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald)
! > ! Comments: There is no way to determine the originator of this message.
! >         If you wish to be blocked from receiving all anonymous mail, send
! >         your request to the  mailing list.
! >         The operator of this particular remailer can be reached at
! >         .
! 
! Mr. Harman OBC, allow me to explain this to you, as I explained it to 
! Milton Kleim earlier this morning (OK, it was late morning, but I slept in).
! 
! remailer@cypherpunks.ca is the "jam" remailer. "John Anonymous MacDonald"
! (which I think is just a meaningless expansion of the acronym he wanted,

You know your not fooling us with that, it's newbies you hope to terrorise, 
Milton Kleim is your example to thousands of others of how you intend to 
lie and threaten.  As I've said myself, it's incredibly ignorant to make 
empty threats.  I've made no threats at all, public or private.  You wish 
I did, because it's an obvious clue of adulturation.

! "jam") is the normal From: line for anonymous postings from the jam
! remailer. cypherpunks.ca actually forwards to a machine at Berkeley, hence
! the Message-ID you see. The article was posted through anon.lcs.mit.edu,
! which is an alias for nym.alias.net, hence the path. Nothing at all
! unusual, nothing forged.
! 
! Moreover, I do not believe that Milton Kleim considers the message a
! threat. As Mr. Kleim said of you two weeks ago, on August 24th, and I
! quote, "Typical. The weirdoes come from everywhere."

I never noticed he started posting.  He's a philosopher genius, though
trusting.

! Remembe , we're laughing at you, not with you. All of us.

Glad to hear it!  Steve Wynter trained me when he was in San Francisco.

Now that you've learned to defeat GET 's from www.anonymnizer.com, I suppose
Nizkor will follow?  Geez, I'm going to go over to an ISP without port 113
set up.

! No wonder the real racists won't associate with you. Sad, very sad. You
! need a hobby, Dave. You talked about setting up a new racist ISP. Well,
! why don't you volunteer to help out with AlphaNet? Assuming, of course,

You guys have already been helping me out plenty.  I'd a been a fool 
to go into business without being aware of types like the Rich Graves.  
Freedom is not for the nave.  That linux server I'm trying to set up
will do a lot toward helping me learn admining.  What's AlphaNet?
Yeah, I'm looking at Alpha's.  No more Micro$oft or Intel.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 17:24:06 PDT 1996
Article: 63571 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>     
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:03:50 GMT
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! In article  jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) writes:
! >From: jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
! >Subject: Re: Joel Rosenberg Laughs Off Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By
! >Anti-Racists
! >Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 16:23:15 -0400
! 
! >In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! >> Not only that, but anti-racists commit
! >> over 99% of acts of violence every year that racists are the victim of.
! 
! >> Racists commit only one hundred acts of violence a year...
! 
! >And the source for this second, equally unlikely statistic is... what?

The Southern Law Poverty Center reports about one hundred acts of 
violence by racists a year fifty of the acts of violence having 
Jewish American victims, the rest being other Asian, Chicano and 
African American.  George Loeb is a good example of a racist 
commited violence that was initially held justified by the police, 
later being charged, convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment 
merely becuse he was politically racist.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 20:05:33 PDT 1996
Article: 63649 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: 960908: What is it with those liberals?
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:58:53 GMT
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! In article  zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) writes:
! 
! >One good advantage of doing a daily column is that it focuses your mind
! >wonderfully - which is also true, it is claimed, of a villain about to be
! >hanged.
! 
! I guess you should have asked your friend Streicher about that.  
Fuckhead.  You mean one line rebuttals are enough?


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 20:05:34 PDT 1996
Article: 63651 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Rich Graves Does It Again
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu>    <50vf6c$ff7@Networking.Stanford.EDU>
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In <50vf6c$ff7@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! >! > >In <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> Anonymous writes:
! >! > >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
! >! > 
! >! > >Also, check the full header.
! >! 
! >! As I've posted elsewhere, there is nothing at all unusual about the
! >! Message-ID or the headers.
! >
! >Yes, there is.  berkeley.edu is in no way connected with c2.net
! >who owns the alias.net domain.  You know that, why do you lie?  It
! 
! Mr. Harman, once again for the technically inept:

Everyone who's seen him on the mailing lists can tell the validity
of the fakir Rich Graves, all ego and hot air.

Worse, you see fit to subscribe to all sorts of fake info under
false names looking for stuff to steal, even Canadian software.
Evidently you got your vast computer skills from Warez BS. 

Again folks, the only danger with these punks like Rich Graves
and Mike Beebe is to take them seriously.  Everyone says he's
even worse in e-mail than he is on usenet, with the constant
feigning and attempts at intrigue.  Live and learn!

! The message, to which Milton Kleim posted a followup with conclusions
! diametrically opposed to yours (Milton thinks you're a kook, and he has
! excellent reasons for this belief), was sent from the jam remailer,
! remailer@cypherpunks.ca, which is physically located on
! abraham.cs.berkeley.edu, to the anon.lcs.mit.edu or alias.net Usenet
! gateway. 
! 
!  From: nobody@cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald)
! Is the posting address for the jam (acronym for John Anonymous

You lie again about it being nym.alias.net .  alias.net is owned by
c2.net.  You continue to lie to pretend that Message-ID's are not
forgable by someone with root access. 

! MacDonald) remailer.

We know that your the only one who would post the stolen mail-list by
remailers.  And everyone how much you hate the victims of these
forgeries.

! Other recent posts with identical characteristics include:
! 
!  <199609032317.QAA16455@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> in alt.test
!  <199609051659.JAA12821@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> in alt.sources.amiga
!  <199609050428.VAA05964@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> in comp.org.eff.talk
!  <199609050528.WAA06457@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> in alt.privacy.anon-server

There you go with your irrelevent ID's or URL's.
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From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:24 PDT 1996
Article: 63655 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: 960907: Update on David Irving
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References:  
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In  rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! In article ,
! zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:
! 
! > In Canada, for instance, it has already happened that people have been
! > deported in handcuffs - not for what they HAVE done, but for what they
! > MIGHT do.  David Irving, for instance, who had been invited to lecture
! > there several years ago, was deported - not even for what he might DO, but
! > for what he might SAY!
! 
! Actually, he has done a few things. An accurate description of what this
! case meant -- in the words of the judges -- is at
! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving.david/

You people say he's a Nazi because you anti-racists are too soft lazy
to come up with real arguments.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:25 PDT 1996
Article: 63656 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: THE CLONE COMA
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <505ar4$1b1@molokini.conterra.com>  <509opv$ckp@molokini.conterra.com>  <50kfti$8h0@chaos.dac.neu.edu> <322F5C0C.114B@conterra.com> <50rq4k$1mv@chaos.dac.neu.edu>
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In <50rq4k$1mv@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:

! In article <322F5C0C.114B@conterra.com>,
! Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
! :    This clown is saying that everybody on the other side is just Nazis
! : Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews,  motivated only by Hate.  But she
! : says she herself is real sweet!
! :    This sounds like the sort of wisdom Kasiecki would like.
! 
!     Bob, let me give you some advice: READ THE BOOK!!  The book is
! excellent, in fact it's the best one I've read to this point in my young
! life.  It was very eye-opening and educational; these quotes caught my
! eye, and really touched me, so I felt it appropriate to include in my
! .signature.  So you're right, I do like the wisdom.  Just one thing- she
! is not at all saying what you think she is; you missed the target, never
! mind the bulls-eye, by a country mile.  That's why I say READ THE BOOK 
! you idiot.
! 
!         Phil "he'll probably never do it" Kasiecki
! 
! --
! Philip T. Kasiecki           Electrical and Computer Engineering
! Northeastern University Class of 1999
! 
! "Hate soon consumes itself, because hate eats up oxygen
! and other life-giving properties.  Hate can't yield
! anything of worth or value, not for very long anyway."
! 
! "The price we've paid (for hate) is measured in big
! things--lost joy and unrealized understanding, and in
! our stupid refusal to see each other's beauty, or to
! detect each other's goodness and potential."
! 
! - both by Patricia Raybon, "My First White Friend"

How bogus!  Everything is accomplished by hate.
The whites will succeed from raw hatred and crushing
our wealthy enemies.  We're tired of being slaves!


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:26 PDT 1996
Article: 63657 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Milton Kleim
Message-ID: 
Organization: Order of Berkeley California
References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <50siqs$fui@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <32332D0D.54B4@ccnis.net>
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In <32332D0D.54B4@ccnis.net> Annie Alpert  writes:

! Milton Kleim wrote:
! > 
! > I am assuming someone posted the excerpts from _the Turner Diaries_ directed
! > at me as some sort of dark humor.  However, let me make a few comments about
! > it anyway.
! > 
! > I will in no way be intimidated by any "movement" assholes, whomever they
! > may be or whatever they may represent.  I have spoken my mind, and will not
! > withdraw any denunciatory statement of truth I have made against the
! > "movement."  I would advise any "heroes" out there that they leave me alone,
! > as I requested.
! 
! snip for space
! 
! Miltie, you really surprised me with your comments and with the contents
! of your web page at http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748.  It takes a lot
! of guts to do what you're doing.  Good luck and best wishes.

No shit.  Anti-racists are rich terrorists.

! Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
! Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?  
! European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
! Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:26 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: 12 million into camps, Mr. "Stone?"
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In <32332E23.B6F@ccnis.net> Annie Alpert  writes:

! Ourobouros wrote:
! > This is ironical coming for you, McVay.  Would you care to restate the
! > header of the Nizkor home-page, something "Dedicated to the 12 million..."
! > What were the years Germany was placing the heaviest numbers into
! > concentration camps McVay?
! > 
! > Next question.
! 
! Are you under the mistaken ASSumption that ALL vicitms of the Holocaust
! paid a visit to a concentration camp first??? 

Rich people are such lazy jerks.

! Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
! Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?  
! European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
! Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:27 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Head
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In  rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! Moreover, I do not believe that Milton Kleim considers the message a
! threat. As Mr. Kleim said of you two weeks ago, on August 24th, and I
! quote, "Typical. The weirdoes come from everywhere."

He was talking about you, net cop.

! Remember, we're just like you.  All of us.
! 
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/harman.david
!  ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/qu/qut
! 
! No wonder the real racists won't associate with you. Sad, very sad. You
! need a hobby, Dave. You talked about setting up a new racist ISP. Well,
! why don't you volunteer to help out with AlphaNet? Assuming, of course,
! 
! -rich
!  http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:28 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: ?
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In  rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! > Who's doing these forgery's?  If your doing it Mr. Moran, quit it
! > unless you learn to do it better.  Rich Graves is doing some
! > excellent forgeries.  Use his junk as a model.
! 
! What forgeries do you think you see?
! 
! The crack about Moran's post being forged was A JOKE. It was really from
! Moran, but so inane that I chose to make fun of it. You know, like Skippy
! the Pretend Racist. Ha ha.
! 
! -rich
!  http://www.c2.org/~rich/

Rich Graves who funds facists.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Fake http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch
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Unless he's changed it, there's a fake web page at
http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch

He means it as a "joke"


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:29 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: THE CLONE COMA
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In <50ngc2$du1@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
! 
! : We all know that traitors will fight against whites, and we all know
! : that leftist "pacifism" is only directed against other leftists..
! 
! Bob, you still haven't explained why I owe any loyalty to your 
! mythical "White Race".

You see what the anti-racists are doing?  They seek to deny our
very existence, first in speech, then in reality.  Anti-racists 
are murderers.  MOST murderers are anti-racists just like wealthy
lazy scum like Jews.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: THE CLONE COMA
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In  atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) writes:

! In article <322F5B23.366@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
! 
!   :    Which reminds me, after i talked about all those ditches and mines
!   :and guns I saw to kill anybody who tried to escape from the Red
!   :countries, one of you clones made a cutesy joke about the Cincinnatti
!   :Reds.  That's hilarious to the folks whose families got shot by the
!   :Reds, of course, and i don't mind.  But Politically Correct people are
!   :known for their lack of humor on racial issues, so this looks just a
!   :little hypocritical.
! 
! I'm not known for my lack of humor on anything. The only hypocrisy is in
! that I once again stubbornly fail to conform to the crude, one-dimensional
! role in which you keep tyring to cast me. This may force you to actually
! formulate a coherent argument instead of simply spouting a few of your
! favorite platitudes, but I won't apologize for that.

Wha?  You just make excuses for the conservatives, you rich yuppie
scum are just lazy assholes.  We rednecks are poor and racially 
superior to Jews, who are simply criminals.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:31 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: 12 million into camps, Mr. "Stone?"
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In <50viou$fjt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! Ourobouros writes:
! >In article <50uoh2$4gl@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca says...
! >>...is: And which historian, pray tell, Mr. "Stone," has
! >>written that 12 million were put into camps in less than 6
! >>years?
! >>
! >You're the one the preaches the 12 million McVay.  If they weren't 
! >supposedly killed in the concentration camps where were they killed?
! 
! Oh, please. The mobile killing vans are documented at 
! 
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/chelmno/gas-vans-background
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/chelmno/gas-wagons/
! 
! The mass shootings are documented at
! 
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/
! 
! Estimates from German sources of how many were killed by what means can be
! found at
! 
!  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/ifz/ifz.report
! 
! and of course a few million of the twelve million were killed in gas
! chambers.
! 
! A few million here, a few million there... pretty soon, it starts to sound
! like maybe the Nazis weren't the nice people you think they were.
! 
! -rich

Still using fake references, right?  You rich yuppies are so soft, you
never worked for a living, you get your money and power by collectively
exploiting the poor.  Anti-racism is the philosophy of the lazy rich.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: IGNORE THAT ASSHOLE DAVE HARMAN....READ THE WEB PAGE
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In <50ve3i$fcg@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! >! -rich
! >!  http://www.c2.org/~rich/
! >Fckhead.  Are you still ruining your own web pages with incredibly
! >annoying cgi driven graphics every thirty seconds?
! 
! No. I'm not still sleeping with the Easter Bunny, either.
! 
! -rich

http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch

How many times you advertised this but apparantly is unreadable.
Cgi's prevent reading.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:15:32 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Milton Kleim And The Anti-Racists Who Hate Him
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In <32337139.7D6B@ix.netcom.com> Rich Graves  writes:

! Look, can we stop talking about Milton? He really just wants to be left 
! alone now.
! 
! Jeffrey G. Brown responded to a troll:
! 
! > In the absence of such evidence, it is equally likely, for instance, 
! > that you yourself forged the post. It is obviously providing you a 
! > marvelous opportunity to wax indignant about the terrible threats 
! > that the "anti-racists" are making aginst poor old Milton.
! 
! No, not a good example at all, because if anyone is threatening Milton 
! Kleim, it's his former racist colleagues. Please take a look at 
! Milton's web page.
! 
! http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748/

Yes, look at his page.  It shows how much Rich Graves hates him, perhaps
asking Rich Graves why would give clues to who did the evil act.
It was likely by the same anti-racist who is attacking Ingrid Rimland
and attacked the entire net last year as "Crusader".  Morty "Death"
Levi at least solcited that act at the 1994 HopeCon convention in
New York City.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:21:05 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: THE CLONE COMA
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In <50qvpi$652@orion.cybercom.net> amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) writes:
Capitalist


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:23:18 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Fuckhead
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In <50pfga$qvk@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! In <50ntuo$gdn@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A
! Robards) writes: 
! >
! >In <50n9kk$epn@crl2.crl.com> Comrade Molotov  writes: 
! >>
! >>In <322BD7AC.46BD@gol.com> jpmartin  writes:
! >>
! >>> James Nguyen wrote:
! >>> > 
! >>> > On 26-Aug-96 10:53:07, Kurt Heilbron (kurt@hula.net) wrote:
! >>> > >>Over 13 Million tonnes of bombs dropped. Innocent farming
! >villagers
! >>> > >>napalmed, burned to death or machine gunned. Millions of square
! >acres of
! >>> > >>forest and land  defoliated and contaminated by agent orange.
! >International
! >>> > >>trade embargoes. Civilised indeed.
! >>> > 
! >>> > >Give me a break.  At least we never sent in WOMEN with bombs
! >strapped
! >>> > >to their bodies.   You asian fucks seem to forget the pain and
! >>> > >suffering you panheads inflicted on American soldiers...not to
! >mention
! >>> > >your savage torturing techniques to obtain information from
! >P.O.W's.
! >>> > 
! >>> > Oh really? Ever seen the famous picture of american gi bashing a
! >tied
! >>> > down captured vc? It was all tit for tat. You weren't angles
! >either so
! >>> > shut the hell up.
! >>> > 
! >>> > -
! >>> > j.n.    http://netspace.net.au/~nguyen/
! >>> >
! >>> >  Uh...Isn't war SUPPOSED to inflict pain and suffering? Kill the
! >enemy, right? The side with the most kills wins? Wrong. We kept
! >killing. 
! >>> They kept coming. Even Napalm wasn't enough. 
! >>Fuckhead.  We're gonna get you capitalist pig
! >
! >
! >
! >   Fuck you you piss-poor anti-capitalist wnaker..we're gonna BUY you.
! >HAIL THE WHITE RACE!
! >HAIL THE RICH!
! >HAIL CAPITALISM!
! 
! damn..i feel kinda left out....being a poor, mutt, who doesnt exactly
! get the whole point behind capitalism.
! 
! Cheers,
! Bullseye
! BAltimore trad skin for life
LONG LIVE RACIST REDS!


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In <50ntuo$gdn@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A Robards) writes:

! In <50n9kk$epn@crl2.crl.com> Comrade Molotov  writes: 
! >
! >In <322BD7AC.46BD@gol.com> jpmartin  writes:
! >
! >> James Nguyen wrote:
! >> > 
! >> > On 26-Aug-96 10:53:07, Kurt Heilbron (kurt@hula.net) wrote:
! >> > >>Over 13 Million tonnes of bombs dropped. Innocent farming
! villagers
! >> > >>napalmed, burned to death or machine gunned. Millions of square
! acres of
! >> > >>forest and land  defoliated and contaminated by agent orange.
! International
! >> > >>trade embargoes. Civilised indeed.
! >> > 
! >> > >Give me a break.  At least we never sent in WOMEN with bombs
! strapped
! >> > >to their bodies.   You asian fucks seem to forget the pain and
! >> > >suffering you panheads inflicted on American soldiers...not to
! mention
! >> > >your savage torturing techniques to obtain information from
! P.O.W's.
! >> > 
! >> > Oh really? Ever seen the famous picture of american gi bashing a
! tied
! >> > down captured vc? It was all tit for tat. You weren't angles
! either so
! >> > shut the hell up.
! >> > 
! >> > -
! >> > j.n.    http://netspace.net.au/~nguyen/
! >> >
! >> >  Uh...Isn't war SUPPOSED to inflict pain and suffering? Kill the
! enemy, right? The side with the most kills wins? Wrong. We kept
! killing. 
! >> They kept coming. Even Napalm wasn't enough. 
! >Fuckhead.  We're gonna get you capitalist pig
! 
! 
! 
!    Fuck you you piss-poor anti-capitalist wnaker..we're gonna BUY you.
! HAIL THE WHITE RACE!
! HAIL THE RICH!
! HAIL CAPITALISM!
Fuckhead.  DEATH TO THE RICH!  DEATH TO THE ANTI-RACISTS!  COMMUNISM!


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:33:50 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Rich Graves Threatens Milton Kleim
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In <32336E73.CA4@ix.netcom.com> Rich Graves  writes:

! Milton Kleim wrote:
! > 
! > I am assuming someone posted the excerpts from _the Turner Diaries_ 
! > directed at me as some sort of dark humor.  However, let me make a 
! > few comments about it anyway.
! 
! I am assuming that anything of substance I might say will probably make 
! things worse, which is why I've kept quiet until now (responding to 
! Dave Harman's idiocies doesn't count as "substance"), but allow me to 
! ask a few questions anyway.

You say Nothing but insinuate that the NA is going to kill
Milton Kleim.  That is ludicrous.  There is more intellectual
freedom in the NA than there is in the NAACP or the executive
board of $tanford.  The only one threatening violence with this
anti-racist attack on Milton Kleim is YOU.  Yes Mr. Kleim doesn't
like the NA and is nave about rhetoric of radical racists and
extreme anti-racists.  So?  I suppose you blamed the STANFORD
crack and mass spam of "Pirahna" last year on the victims, no?
You have blamed ALL cases of net abuse where the minority is
the victim on the minority, the NA, Zndel, Rimland, etc.

Very few people are radical enough to be racist.  Why do
feel you have to use death threats to get your way?

! > I will in no way be intimidated by any "movement" assholes, whomever
! > they may be or whatever they may represent.  I have spoken my mind, 
! > and will not withdraw any denunciatory statement of truth I have made
! > against the "movement."  I would advise any "heroes" out there that 
! > they leave me alone, as I requested.
! > 
! > I am more than adequately prepared with weapons and security measures 
! > to counter any genuine threat to my safety.  While I'd rather never
! > be placed in such a position, I am ready and more than willing to
! > defend myself with whatever means are necessary. LET EVERYONE CLEARLY
! > UNDERSTAND THIS: I would not hesitate for a second to do what is
! > necessary to defend myself, those around me, or my home.
! 
! Holy shit.

So?  Haven't you ever read a gun magazine?  People have a right
to use violence to defend themselves, such as killing them if
they illegally enter their apartment.  Do you see this as wrong,
like many soft yuppies do?

! I would really like to see Lynn Young (aka Evelyn Hill), AryanGar, Les 
! Griswold, Sylvie Charbonneau, Dan Leonik, Will Williams, Robert Miller 
! (aka Trebor Lee), Kurt Stele, Kevin Alfred Strom, or some other 
! representative of the National Alliance clarify their position on 
! "traitors" who make what most people seem to agree are valid 
! observations about the negative personal qualities of the "movement 
! leaders." Does Milton deserve to die? Assuming you're all too cowardly 
! to try actual murder, as advocated by the founder of the National 
! Alliance in The Turner Diaries, should Milton expect to come home one 
! day to find Rocky stewing on the stove?

It is Rich Graves who brings up killing people, it is Rich Graves
advocating killing Milton Kleim.  No one else has ever brought
this up, because it is flagrantly anti-racist to kill white
people.

! Why isn't anyone here (I'm reading alt.politics.nationalism.white) 
! discussing whether the reign of terror, especially over one's own 
! activists, is really such a good policy? The only reaction I've seen 
! from anyone with "standing" has been from Dannie Hawkins, 
! representative of the Metzger cult, who tried to argue that Milton had 
! been a ZOG provocateur all along. Are you all so crazy/stupid that you 
! really believe that?
! 
! Do you really believe in AlphaNet's slogan, "White Revolution is the 
! Only Solution," or are you just "hobbyists"? You know what the National 
! Alliance and the other hard-core groups say about "hobbyists," don't 
! you? Has it even begun to penetrate your skull what Louis Beam means by 
! "leaderless resistance"? What would you, personally, be willing to do 
! to make this country 100% Aryan? Please read the National Alliance 
! program again. It's at http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/na2.html

Yet *another* one of your bogus URL's, there is no violence.  The *only*
violence has come from your side, such as here or Andrew Mathis or
Mike Beebe, who openly say they asre going to kill their political
opponants.

! Am I the only one who found Evelyn Hill's reaction to Milton's 	
! resignation vaguely ominous? Here it is again.

That was explained in Mar 1996 when it was e-mailed.  It's
not ominous, she has explained what she meant.  You are 
conscously bringing up *ancient* mailing lists to mud
sling, sort of like your candidate Bob Dole.

! From stormfront-l@stormfront.org Sat Mar 23 01:17:22 1996
! From: stormfront-l@stormfront.org (Stormfront-l)
! Subject: Milton's resignation
! Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:35:01 GMT
! Message-Id: <96032301151329440@stormfront.org>
! Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
! 
! From: nvb@ix.netcom.com (Evelyn Hill)
! Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:35:01 -0800
! Subject: Milton's resignation
! 
! The National Office of the Nationol Alliance is not accepting Milton
! Kleim's resignation until he has had time to fully consider his move.
! 
! Evelyn Hill
! Office Manager
! 
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! 
! You people are fucked up, almost as far gone as the Sendero Luminoso 
! wackos I used to talk to (for those of you who have never picked up a 
! book, they're Maoist terrorists in Peru). I may not agree with Milton's 
! politics, but as a human being, he deserves better.
! 
!  http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748/
! 
! What's it going to be?

Why do you hate Milton Kleim so much?  Is it because he's more
intelligent than you are?  You can't admit to yourself that
all your mama's boy degree coudn't do anything but make you
a usenet troll?


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:33:54 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Vague Threat On Milton Kleim
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In <32336FF7.3CB7@ix.netcom.com> Rich Graves  writes:

! > Milton Kleim is your example to thousands of others
! 
! No. He's his own person, and sets his own example. I still disagree 
! with a lot of what he says, but I recognize that what he has done over 
! the last few months has been good for him, "the movement," and the 
! world. You have a lot to learn.

You are threatening *moderate* anti-racists the most with your
propaganda, the extremists don't care.  A newbie starts to post
and you and other professional anti-racists gang up on hir, 
whethere or not {s}he is racist or anti-racist, you wish to
arrogate the right to post anti-racist subjects to yourself.
The death threat you pretend existed, is a threat to the 
moderate anti-racist lurker, who may be frightened into 
supporting a ban on net radicalism as a "terrorist" activity.

! http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748/

So?  I've read that page before and after your irrelevent reference.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:39:09 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Why are niggers noses and lips so big?
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In <50pmia$4i@news.pyrotechnics.com> scallon@kiwi.pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) writes:

! rstouten@ix.netcom.com wrote:
! 
! In response to Mike Berg (no relation to Alan Berg)
! 
! : >: >Could someone explain to me why blacks have such big lips and noses.  I
! : >: >heep hearing that we are no differnt from them but if that is the case
! : >: >then how come that have HUGE lips and noses.  And their hair too the
! : >: >only way I could get my hair to look like that is to burn it.
! 
! I happen to be Irish and have big lips and nose.  So what's it to ya.
! And when you talk about hair, are you referring to natural hair or stuff
! that was treated with relaxer?
! 
! : >: >What I really don't understand is why a nice looking blonde white girl
! : >: >would get tangled up with one of the apes?  I guess they want to try and
! : >: >tame the beast.
! 
! Ron Post writes:
! 
! : >there noses are so big so that they can SMELL racisists like that guy 
! : >comin a mile away.....there lips are so big so that can scream out a 
! : >warning that a racisist redneck is in the hood and i'm just guessing 
! : >here, but i'm betting there big and powerful so that they can beat down 
! : >racisists also....
! 
! : >Ron Post {white boy who knows that lips and noses have nothing to do with 
! : >brain capacity}
! 
! : I am going to mail bomb you! You stupid rascist fuck.
! 
! What's next, "Why are ne**esses butts so big?"
! 
! --
! Brendan John Francis Scallon    When it comes to the net, I'm
! scallon@pyrotechnics.com     similar to the thrilla in Manila
! DROP Squad - Pali-town   http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~scallon
! GEORGE CLINTON for PREZ                  This country needs a
! BOOTSY COLLINS for VP              Parliament, not a Congress
All whites are racist


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:39:11 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: White Girls
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In <50pe6t$g8u@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! In <01bb9b59$15240f60$50e500cf@drknight.erinet.com> "Cyberbob"
!  writes: 
! >
! >Hey, I believe that niggers are low, but could somebody tell me why
! white
! >girls are going out with black guy's?   What can they possibly see?
! >Here is a quote from a book that I am reading:
! >
! >	"...Did you know that according to the Sentencing Project, a
! >public-intrest group, one third of all black men between the ages of
! twenty
! >and twenty-nine are in prison, on probation, or on parole?  Did you
! know
! >that this figure marks a ten percent rise from just five years ago? 
! Did
! >you know that these blacks cost the nation over six billion dollars a
! >year?.....Did yo know that the unemployment rate among black men and
! women
! >is more than that of white men and women?  Did you know that an
! average of
! >nine out of the ten top records of the country this year were
! performed by
! >blacks, and that your white daughters and girlfriends are purchasing
! over
! >sixty percent ot this so-called music?  Fif you know that only five
! percent
! >of the books in this country are purchased by blacks?"
! >
! >I found this to be very shocking, but YES IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! >-- 
! >Cyberbob, the Internet's Resident Hippy
! 
! 
! gee....sounds.....LAME!! Only way I can see for that info to be
! gathered is if some little prick is sitting  in a cubicle, watching
! videos of record stores and library's.  Personally i know at the b-more
! city public library im the only white guy in the place :P
! anyways...aside from the blatant stupidity of your comments why the
! hell are you posting em here??? theres enough shit filtering in from
! cross posting rednecks, i dont think any one here needs to shuffle
! through shit posted directly to alt.skinheads by said inbreds
! 
! 
! oh ye, i own lotsa black music, i could make you some recordings
! sometime.
! 
! Cheers,
! Bullseye
! Baltimore trad skin for life

Well, so do I.  But I certainly don't support exterminating whites
because I listen to African American music!!!


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: is this a nazi symbol ?
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In <50pg3b$jkg@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! In <50o7g4$has@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> hvlcrt@marge.cs.mcgill.ca (Harry
! VALCOURT) writes: 
! >
! >I'D Like to get soem info about some symbol that i see around.
! > It's a rune and it looks like an upside down fish shape. or better it
! 
! >looks like one of those aids red ribbons.
! >
! >Now is this a traditional germanic symbol that has some 
! >religious/cultural significance  or is it a purely 100% racist nazi
! thing ?
! >
! >Basically, if i see someone wearing a t-shirt with that sign on it,
! are 
! >they automatically racists ?
! >
! >--
! >  H.V 
! >
! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
! %%%%
! >                 The stars that saw the birth of our ancestors
! >         /\      Shall watch our descendant's last step on Earth.
! >       /    \            So, unnoticed we'll pass away              
! >      ||    ||      Like a flickering, in the perpetual chaos
! >   /^\||    ||/^\              
! >  |   ||    ||   |   The timebird rose from its nest of bones
! >  |   ||    ||   |       And thrust its beak into my eye.
! > _| AT THE GATES |_      With the beat of charging wings
! > \    ||    ||    /       My transience was confirmed.
! >   \  ||    ||  /                                  
! >     \        /                                -AT THE GATES-
! >       \    /                               "The Break Of Autumn"
! >                                  " With Fear I kiss The Burning
! darkness"
! >
! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
! %%%%
! 
! well, sounds to me like a germanic rune. that doesnt mean that it wasnt
! taken in by the nazis, but they rarely invented anything themeselves.
! 
! Cheers,
! Bullseye
! BAltimore trad skin for life
! and did i mention i know plenty about weird shit?
! Help! someone get me out of chicago!! please!!

All whites are scheduled to be exticnt in just a century.  Fight
back.  Why wouldn't someone fight to protect mother?


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In <3231C05C.2EE4@total.net> "Martina P. McBurney"  writes:

! Cyberbob wrote:
! > 
! > If you are white, marry white, if you are black marry your own, stop
! > mixing!  I wouldn't want an OREO for a child!
! > 
! 
! Fuck you! If want to marry white go ahead, I will do the same BUT THAT IS 
! MY CHOICE! MY godson in what you call an *OREO*, he is smart and 
! beautiful and loved. It's assholes like you that make him confused.

So?  He should support racists to get the best in power, We're gonna
destroy the rich!


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In <01bb9c03$8596ad20$2de500cf@drknight.erinet.com> "Cyberbob"  writes:

! If you are white, marry white, if you are black marry your own, stop
! mixing!  I wouldn't want an OREO for a child!
! 
! hrvat@imap2.asu.edu wrote in article <50ov43$t1m@news.asu.edu>...
! > suck...stick with your own...
Breed!  The more white children the better!


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Am I?
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In <50sbbd$j41@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! In 
! adrian@paradise.net (Adrian A. Fernandez) writes: 
! >
! >if my parents are form spain does that make me white?

It doesn't matter, you can still be useful to the racist movement.
All true spanish are whites.

! i dont see why your asking us, you obviously have alt.skinheads
! confused with a newsgroup that gives a flying fuck regardless about
! skin color, but to answer your question, it deppends what region of
! spain they are from, and when their families came to spain, as most of
! the spanish population are descended from the moors, most spaniards are
! not white, although there are certain areas in which there is a larger
! level of euro colonosation within spain, i.e blond haired, blue eyed,
! spaniards.....then again, i have blonde hair and blue eyes, and im of
! celtic and native american blood....deffinately not the idea of white
! most who are concerned with race follow.
! 
! bullseye,
! baltimore trad skin for life

Liar.  Almost all whites are 100% of the race.  There's been lots
of lies told by anti-racists to children claiming that they're
Native American when they're not.  In any case the racist movement
is correct in all matters.


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In <50r1ip$dn@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jenn Starkman) writes:


! Anthony B. James (itta@ix.netcom.com) writes:
! > In <32306B41.45BD@mhv.net> dogwood@mhv.net writes: 
! >>
! >>Why is there no women with totally shaven heads as the men have ?
! >>     Is there a bit of vain hypocracy here ?
! >>     I see women with their hair cropped short, but not totally shaved
! 
! Well then, I guess you just never saw *me* when I had my crop--I had the
! whole damn thing shaved (no fringe 'cuz my hair's too thick 'n curly and
! it would've just stuck out every which way).  Sorry, you lose.
! 
! > ummmm....that just aint skinhead man...dont know where you learned
! > about skinheads from..but uhhhhhh......uhhhhh....ummmm...you scare me
! 
! It's not necessarily *not* skinhead, either, though.  Fact is, skinhead
! women have a hell of a lot more leeway with their hair.  Right now, mine
! is halfway down my back--still very appropriate, given the fact that
! skinhead women in the '60s (as I've noted many a time) didn't shave their
! heads at all, just usually wore their hair either short or in any
! traditional '60s hairdo...put a wide hairband on mine when it's straight,
! or done up nicely, with my best gear, I still look a pretty skingirl
! picture.  :-)
! 
! > Bullseye
! > Baltimore trad skin for life
! > and worlds biggest supporter of the feather cut ;)
! 
! Yeah, *you* try doing a layered or feathered haircut with ultra-thick,
! curly hair...it just don't work, my friend.  

Jewish Americans should support the white power movement.  I'm
Jewish, I want the highest quality people in power.  I'm also
aching to get even with the Jewish renegades like Perelmen,
Redstone, Gates, etc., oh, of course, the Bronfmans.  
Communism is the way to go, like Hitlers nationalism with
Stalins economics.  America will be free when we no longer have 
have to worry about economics.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep  8 22:39:15 PDT 1996
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In <50o8ri$131@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jenn Starkman) writes:

! "Cyberbob" (hacker4@juno.com) writes:
! 
! > Fuck YOU!   I am not a skin-head but I believe in alot that they believe in
! 
! Hmmm...doesn't it make you awfully confused to believe in so many
! diverse--and occasionally contradictory--things?
! 
! >  and support most of their efforts!  
! 
! Good, then you won't mind leaving when we ask you to, for the sake of
! keeping the intellectual level on this NG to a certain standard.  Thanks!
! 
! > Even though I have hair doesn't make
! > me different from them!   
! 
! Not necessarily, I guess, but the fact that you're an ignorant git who
! isn't actually a *skinhead* in any *other* sense of the word either *does*.
! 
! > So shut the FUCK up!   For all I kow you may be
! > some upity nigger trying to attack the pure race!  
! 
! That's "uppity"; You might want to try telling that to some of the people
! around here who, unlike you, *are* skinheads and are black; and a "pure
! race" could very easily be a synonym for an inbred one.
! 
! You might want to think about that.
! 
! Jenn

Why are all Jews capitalists?  Why do all Jews support
criminals like Edgar Bronfman and Harry Oppenheimer?
Why do Jews support the rape of Donny The Punk?
What are Jews going to do when the rich are crushed by
us racist rednecks?  There won't be anyone left to
speak up for anti-racists, right?  After all, Jews
are the conscience of the world!


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In <322F346A.39B5@total.net> "Martina P. McBurney"  writes:

! Cyberbob wrote:
! > 
! > Hey, I believe that niggers are low, but could somebody tell me why white
! > girls are going out with black guy's?   What can they possibly see?
! 
! BECAUSE THEY DON'T BORE US WITH FUCKING STATISTICS!!
! > Here is a quote from a book that I am reading:
! > 
! >         "...Did you know that according to the Sentencing Project, a
! > public-intrest group, one third of all black men between the ages of twenty
! > and twenty-nine are in prison, on probation, or on parole?  Did you know
! > that this figure marks a ten percent rise from just five years ago?  Did
! > you know that these blacks cost the nation over six billion dollars a
! > year?.....Did yo know that the unemployment rate among black men and women
! > is more than that of white men and women?  Did you know that an average of
! > nine out of the ten top records of the country this year were performed by
! > blacks, and that your white daughters and girlfriends are purchasing over
! > sixty percent ot this so-called music?  Fif you know that only five percent
! > of the books in this country are purchased by blacks?"
! > 
! > I found this to be very shocking, but YES IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! > --
! > Cyberbob, the Internet's Resident Hippy

Liar.  Anti-racists are capitalists.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 08:20:58 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Joel Rosenberg Laughs Off Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
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In <50vtov$sat@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! Shit, I'd post the Zgrams myself if it means I could get Ingrid
! Rimland to sue me.
! 
! Andrew

I suggested before, why don't you post the Turner Diaries?  Anyway,
just ask Rich Graves for copies of the list to automatically go 
into your mail box.

Oh, and why don't you inform your Jewish friends about how much you
support taking away their mony from them?


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Was Milton Kleim The Victim Of The Threat?
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In  rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! For the record, so did Milton Kleim, though Les was concerned for a bit.

If they contacted you about whether the threat was serious or not,
I suppose that was the right move.  Only the assailant knows the motive,
correct?

I'm concerned about others who are moderates that may be intimidated
by your threats, however.  Only a fool or mainstreamer would take you 
seriously, however, by definition, most mainstreamers are ignorant.
They could be intimdated enough that only extremists will be left,
people like you and Mike Beebe.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 08:21:00 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Whites Created Everything
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In <50vrki$mg5@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Conrad (riverbank@ibm.net) wrote:
! : If there are no Aryans then there are no Jews. And lord knows there are
! : Jews! Actually, the word "Aryan", meaning "best", related to the word
! : "aristocrat", is a very old part of the Indo-European language group.
! : The Jews tried to purge it from the dictionaries after WWII, for obvious
! : reasons.
! 
! There is no "aryan race".  There has never been an "aryan race".  There 
! is a group of languages called Indo-Aryan (not one of which is the 
! birth language of any Northern European, by the way) and there was,
! at one time, a group of people who spoke the parent language of these
! languages.  That group of people no longer exists, and did not 
! constitute a race, in any case.

You see what anti-racists do?  They deny our very existence as a 
people!  They do this to first dehumanize us so they can 
exterminate us.  Only racists can put a stop to the ongoing
genocide.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 08:21:01 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Don't let Joel Rosenberg make an anti-Semite out of YOU!
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In <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:

! tant, gives him a sense of superiority. But you don't try to
! debate Rosenberg, it's like (a la Lipstadt) trying to nail a
! piece of fecal matter to the wall.
!    Still, don't let Rosenberg's neuroses prod you into anti-
! Semitism. (Of course the religion's silly; which one isn't?
! It's not at morbid as some.) When becoming exasperated with
! "Monty Rosa," think about the Jews who have and are contrib-
! uted to the Progress and Glories of Greater European Culture:
! -------------------------------------------------------------
! Currently, such figures as Daniel Barenboim, James Levine,
! Irving Kristol, Noam Chomsky, George Steiner, Rabbi Schiller
! -- and a host of others. They're doing it NOW. The Lipstadts
! 
! In the past, think of such people as Spinoza (O.K., the Jew-
! ish authorities--the Wiesenthals of their day--threw him out
! and tried to murder him. Still, he was Jewish by birth; he
! transcended the limitations of that condition.), Einstein,
! Mahler, Freud, Proust [part], Salk and Sabin ... the list is
! huge. (The last two, of course, discovered and improved the
! vaccine against polio. That's what I usually remind the yahoo
! anti-Semites: "Oh, so you and your kids aren't vaccinated for
! polio, because Jews perfected the vaccine?")

And how does any of this nullify the virtues of anti-semitism?

Of those, I only like Chomsky, *part* of what he says, the big
picture is nothing but Jewish capitalism.

Irving Kristol?!???  I knew him entirely with the first issue
of the Weekly Standard.  He's partly at fault for Robert Dole
being the Republican nominee.

James Levine is a lousy conductor, at least what I've heard.
Listen to the merit of the artwork rather than care about
the motivations and original intent of the establisment 
artists.  Liking an artists simply because {s}he is Jewish,
well, that's what Mr. Rosenberg and other Jews do.


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In <32332AA5.24DC@ibm.net> Conrad  writes:

! Look it up.
! -- 
! Rad


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 08:56:08 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: teenagers in racial pride organizations
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In <50ur1e$kqp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> tamara1849@aol.com (Tamara1849) writes:


! I'm writing an article on teenagers in racial pride organizations. If
! anyone would like to provide information/interview/or comments, please
! e-mail Tamara1849@aol.com.
! 
! Thanks.

No.  Post only.  Don't fall for this e-mail crap.


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Subject: Re: Object of White Supremacy
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In <01bb9a08$fcefa400$2d0ec5a9@goering.azstarnet.com> "Ryan "  writes:

! I have been reading over many of the post lately and see much constructive
! debate going on however little sensible talk of action or a feasable plan
! for action to ensure that we succeed in our goals.  A few facts must be
! faced for Nazis, KKK members, and all other, "White Power," groups.  These
! are:
! 
! 1.  America and many of the Democratic nations of the world will never
! accept our views as a whole.  We will always be in the minority by sticking
! up for the racial shortcomings of the majority as sad as that is.
! 
! 2.  In comparison to anti-racist our numbers are extremely small and the
! ration between these two factions will increase against our cause.  Many of
! the humans, or whatever you wish to call them, born today are mutts of the
! worse degree.  Especially in the border areas of our countries.  And
! finally...
! 
! 3.  The funding necessary for an actual awarness program, not including the
! internet, which would actually compete with the, "Lets all get interbred,"
! ideas going around is not happening.  These days no one can really afford
! to openly declare racism and make donations to radical groups without
! losing power and respect.  
! 
! There are exceptions to all of these but to the greater extent I believe
! them to be true.  Excuse any spelling mistakes.  Feel free to write or post
! you opinions please.  I am at: goering@azstarnet.com

So?  The answer to racism is *more* racism.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 08:56:10 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: DOLE DOESN'T HAVE A PRAYER UNLESS . . .
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Damn straight.  Robert Dole is a race traitor.  Especially
Jack Kemp.  Please don't vote for Republicans.  They hate
white people.


--
I marvel at the resilience of the white people.
Their best characteristic is their desire to learn.
No other people has such an obsession with the intellect.

           TO MY WHITE GIRL

           I love you
           Because you're white,
           Not because you're charming
           Or bright.
           Your whiteness is a silky thread
           Snaking through my thoughts
           In redhot patterns
           Of lust and desire.

           I love you
           Because you're white.
           Your white skin
           Is what dreams are made of.
           White is
           The skin of nobility.
           You're my Cleopatra,
           My Eva Braun,
           Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
           Of the burning cross.
           Loving you thus
           And siring your children that look like you,
           My heart is made for you.
           In happiness and duty.


                      +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                       +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
              +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


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In <323372E9.639F@ix.netcom.com> Rich Graves  writes:

! CHRIST SODOMIZER wrote:
! > 
! > Hail!
! 
! Snow!
! 
! > This is rumour...treat as such:
! > 
! >  I received the following information via fax.  The source is a 747
! > Captain, but I cannot say anymore.  His sources are reportedly
! > reliable with inside information.  He has transmitted the information
! > already to ABC News.
! > 
! > If this story is true (and the pieces do seem to fit), there is
! > obviously a very tight cover-up in progress which would include our
! > Commander in Chief....  Here is the story as it came across my fax:
! > 
! > "TWA flight 800 was SHOT DOWN by a US NAVY AEGIS MISSILE fired from a
! > guided missile ship which was in area W-105 about 30 miles from where
! 
! BWAHAHAHA!!!
! 
! Given that the Aegis is a short-range gun, not a missile, somehow I 
! find this story unlikely. Good troll, "CHRIST SODOMIZER." You actually 
! caught a few idiots here -- not that that's difficult. We're up to our 
! necks in stupidity here.
! 
! W-105 indeed! BWAHAHAHA!!!
! 
! -rich
Fuckhead.


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Subject: Re: Blacks, Whites Finish High School at Same Rate
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In <50pabr$fcn@scoop.eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) writes:

! [I'm going on vacation and won't be back until late next
! week. Send me copies of any replies in E-mail if you want
! me to see them.]
! 
! There was an interesting article on page A-3 of today's
! _Washington_Post_ (Sept. 9, 1996). 
! 
! Of those blacks aged 25-29, 87% have graduated from high
! school. This is roughly equal the the graduation rate
! for whites in that age group, and is up from 67% in
! 1970.
! 
! (Note that this includes blacks and whites who dropped
! out of high school but later took the GED exam.)
! 
! Also, 59% of blacks in this age range have attended
! at least some college, up from 45% in 1984. (Whites 
! are still a few points ahead here; they're at 68%.)
! 
! 
! And what can you "white power" folks do about it?
! I'll tell you what you can do about it: Nothing,
! that's what! 
! 
! Nyah, nyah, nyaaaaaah!
! 
! 
! The complete article will be online for two weeks at:
! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1996-09/06/064L-090696-idx.html
! 
! -- 
! 
! ===========================================================
! Charles Don Hall, Licensed Philosopher  (chall@eco.twg.com)
! ===========================================================

So what did you expect?  What people are absolute slaves of
color, we must breed and breed to overthrow the slavemasters
The more white people the better!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 08:56:13 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Rich Graves Threatens Milton Kleim
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In <3233A945.42FA@ix.netcom.com> Rich Graves  writes:

! The person currently posting as Dave Harman  wrote:
! 
! > In <32336E73.CA4@ix.netcom.com> Rich Graves writes:
! > 
! > You say Nothing but insinuate that the NA is going to kill
! > Milton Kleim.  That is ludicrous.
! 
! That's what people said about Malcolm X. And Trotsky.
! 
! Then they were killed.

They were killed by people like you.

! ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/qu/qut/misc/Race%20Traitor
! http://www.pafb.af.mil/deomi/na.htm
! http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/american/national-alliance

*More* of you bogus references?

http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch

! > ! Holy shit.
! > 
! > So?  Haven't you ever read a gun magazine?  People have a right
! > to use violence to defend themselves, such as killing them if
! > they illegally enter their apartment.  Do you see this as wrong,
! > like many soft yuppies do?
! 
! No. Ask Vinnie (hint: he works for Apple). :-)
! 
! > ! I would really like to see Lynn Young (aka Evelyn Hill), AryanGar, 
! > ! Les Griswold, Sylvie Charbonneau, Dan Leonik, Will Williams, Robert 
! > ! Miller (aka Trebor Lee), Kurt Stele, Kevin Alfred Strom, or some 
! > ! other representative of the National Alliance clarify their 
! > ! position on "traitors" who make what most people seem to agree are 
! 
! I have been informed that some of the people named above are no longer 
! with the National Alliance, in part because of their disagreement with 
! this policy. The only person I'm sure is still active is Kevin Alfred 

They quit because they thought the NA wasn't racist enough.  That's
why Mr. Kleim quit.

! Strom, and he's awfully busy. It's tough being a leader when your 
! followers realize you're just a kook.

You should be able to pick him up on a shortwave in your area.  You've
got no excuse for this slander. 

! > ! leaders." Does Milton deserve to die? Assuming you're all too 
! > ! cowardly to try actual murder, as advocated by the founder of the 
! > ! National Alliance in The Turner Diaries, should Milton expect to 
! > ! come home one day to find Rocky stewing on the stove?
! > 
! > It is Rich Graves who brings up killing people, it is Rich Graves
! > advocating killing Milton Kleim.  No one else has ever brought
! > this up, because it is flagrantly anti-racist to kill white
! > people.
! 
! Tell that to John Hron. http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/
! Or what's left of the Freeman family.
! 
! Mr. Harman, as Dr. Pierce reminded us in OUR CYBERSPACE IMAGE, you are 
! not authorized to speak for the National Alliance. Tolerance of race 
! traitors would be a major change in National Alliance ideology. As a 
! member of the National Alliance (they really do need to check their 
! lists more carefully -- but I guess they're desperate for money now), I 
! would need to hear it from an official source.

You've got a strang way of asking questions.  You lie and then expect
other people to correct you.  OK, so your a NA member, so what.  Your
doing nothing to hurt the NA, I suppose, and you contribute funds to
the group.

! What about white people who happen to be part Jewish, like Alan Berg? 
! Is the National Alliance going to change its policy there? Is the 
! National Alliance going to condemn the actions of David Lane, Don 
! Black, Bob Mathews, and others after years of calling them heroes?

What's that got to do with you intimidating anti-racists on usenet?

! > !  http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748/
! > !
! > ! What's it going to be?
! > 
! > Why do you hate Milton Kleim so much?  Is it because he's more
! > intelligent than you are?  You can't admit to yourself that
! > all your mama's boy degree coudn't do anything but make you
! > a usenet troll?
! 
! Skippy, I know Milton Kleim. Milton Kleim is a friend of mine. Skippy, 
! you're no Milton Kleim.

Your no Jack Kennedy.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 09:34:15 PDT 1996
Article: 86484 of alt.conspiracy
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Fuckhead
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Rich Graves is a Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 09:36:45 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: inter racial marri...
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In <50pikh$74b@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! In <01bb9c03$8596ad20$2de500cf@drknight.erinet.com> "Cyberbob"
!  writes: 
! >
! >If you are white, marry white, if you are black marry your own, stop
! >mixing!  I wouldn't want an OREO for a child!
! >
! >hrvat@imap2.asu.edu wrote in article <50ov43$t1m@news.asu.edu>...
! >> suck...stick with your own...
! >> 
! >> 
! >> --
! >>
! >**********************************************************************
! *****
! >**
! >> 	        John Ive Duic  Email:  hrvat@IMAP2.asu.edu
! >>
! >**********************************************************************
! *****
! >**	
! >> 
! 
! i know plenty of "oreos" that could boot your ass from here to kingdom
! come.
! 
! Piss off
! Bullseye
! Baltimore trad skin for life

So?  Whites need to learn racism to fight back aginst our slavemasters.
DEATH TO CAPITALISM!  DEATH TO THE RICH!  DEATH TO COLOR!  COMMUNISM!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 11:55:42 PDT 1996
Article: 72450 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: nazi
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! In article <50s9q2$11c4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> GHZJ75B@prodigy.com (Right Wing) writes:
! 
! Rather than taking up a zillion megabytes of other folks' disk space all over 
! the planet, why not just put up one of the dozens of URLs that point to it.  
! 
! Hell, Nizkor alone has links to all the antisemitic bilge you could eat.
! 
! 
! 
! 
! ---------------------------------------------------------------
! http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
! ...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
! send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 11:55:44 PDT 1996
Article: 72457 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Fuckhead
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Rich Graves is a Fuckhead.

Communism will liberate Jews from our oppressors.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 11:55:45 PDT 1996
Article: 72470 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Trouble for Nizkor - A Mutiny?
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In <50lbmb$5vr@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
! 
! >We heard that Nizkor has its hands full with some of their people starting to 
! >believe the Revisionist material they were assigned to debunk. Apparently 
! >they can't and are beginning to have some doubts about the party-line 
! >promoted by the Holocausters.
! 
! That's funny.  I heard that Bob Dole is really a robot.
! 
! Andrew Mathis

Bob Dole is extremely Jewish.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 11:55:46 PDT 1996
Article: 72544 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jewish Nazis
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! >2) Did 3,000,000 (4 million) Jews really die at Auschwitz;  (Oxford - Yes;
! > Smith
! >- No)
! 
! Well, no.  Historians -- real historians, not revisionazis -- have long held 
! that about a million Jews and a much smaller number of non-Jews were murdered 
! at Auschwitz.  The former government of Poland, for political reasons, claimed 
! that there were four million people murdered at Auschwitz -- about a million 
! Jews (accurate so far) and about three million nonJewish Poles (which was not).

Joel Rosenberg, the nazi pretending to be a Jew.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 11:55:47 PDT 1996
Article: 72553 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Media Control, Close Up (ADV)
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! In article <322b4461.26477969@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com 
! (George Lehmann) writes:
! 
! >All well and good, Shriker, but can you name any OTHER group, where if
! >the same (rather tame, as I see it) innuendos ...
! 
! Well, yes, but we know your vision is, well, pretty bad, George -- you look at 
! David Irving and you think you see a reknowned historian.
! 
! Is it the drinking, or just Alzheimer's?  

This is a rebuttal?  

Folks, Joel Rosenberg is really an anti-semite posing as a Jew
to crack anti-semitic jokes.  His trolling is getting really
old.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 11:55:48 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Fuckhead
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In <50vtfp$sat@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! In other news: David Irving speaking in America this month, but only
! one date on the East Coast--home to 15% of the American population and
! most of the Jews--September 13.  This is Rosh Hashanah, and we Jews
! can't travel on that day.  I smell cowardice.

Fuckhead.  The ruling class knows no holiday.  Neither does the working
class.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 13:18:47 PDT 1996
Article: 63792 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: IGNORE THAT ASSHOLE DAVE HARMAN....READ THE WEB PAGE!!!!
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In <50vtgq$mg5@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Danny Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) wrote:
! : In article <50t7lb$avs@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes...
! : >www.babylonians.com
! : 
! :     Cute.
! : 
! :     Marduk, I presume? 
! : 
! Obviously, Marduk--note the domain name.
! 
! Actually, I don't find this one cute.  Posting the Troll's address in
! this context--directly following an inflammatory, if accurate
! description of him--smells too much like an incitement to violence
! for my taste.

Why haven't you denounced Rich Graves?

! It also smells like something the Troll himself might do--and, 
! in fact, has done.

How Gravesian!  Blaming the victim of the perpetrator!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 13:18:49 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Fuckhead
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In <3233B45A.6E3D@tito.partisan.org> Josip Broz  writes:

! Commandante Meow Meow Matt Bruce wrote:
! > 
! > Dave Harman OBC wrote:
! > >
! > > In <50sq6a$3ub@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:
! > >
! > > ! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! > > ! >Fuckhead.  You use cgi tricks to defeat www.anonmizer.com, scumbag
! > > !
! > > !       Harman has even quoted entire articles on the cypherpunks list with
! > > ! the reply "Fuckhead".
! > > Fuckhead.  Only once to Dr. Fuckhead, everone approves
! > > --
! > >
! > >          |  |  |  |  |
! > >            |  |  |  |
! > >          |  |  |  |  |
! > >          _|__|__|__|__
! > >        /--------------\
! > >        |              |
! > >        |  0     0     |--\
! > >        |     *        |  |
! > >        | \-------/    |  |
! > >        |  \_____/     |__/
! > >         \______________/
! > >
! > >        x  
! > 
! > Fuckhead.
! 
! Fuckhead.
Fckhead.  You messed up my 8 bit FUCKHEADS BEWARE


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 13:18:50 PDT 1996
Article: 63807 of alt.revisionism
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In <3230aa0e.4724209@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

! 	Moran had posted "SHOW YOUR SUPPORT - sign on here". This is the
! one where Moran made it easy for those showing support for Nizkor
! "Director" Ken McVay's statement about Moran's sister being a
! "hooker".
! 
! 	One of the first to jump in was Mr.Mittleman, who seemed to be
! asking for a little more clarification.
! 
!     "So, ah, Tommy...  does your sister like to go  go fishing?  "
! 
!                          daniel david mittleman 
! 
! 
! 	Moran came back and ask Mr. Mittleman,
! 
! 	"No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
! right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
! come out and say it, 'Like a man'".
! 
! 	So far Mr.Mittleman has not been able to muster up any "man" but
! a number of his cohorts, in thinking, jumped in to make comment, with
! the first being from a Mr.Anderson.
! 	Evidently he happened to be familiar with the "nudge nudge wink
! wink" phrase that Mr.Mittleman used,
! 
! 	"Add Monty Python to the staggeringly long list of things about
! which Moran knows nothing."
! 
! Bill
! 
! 
! 	Moran found it amusing that Mr.Anderson should find knowing Monty
! Pytnon phrases as, well ...;
! 
! 	"Evidently you think not knowing Monty Python is a sign of
! negative intelligence. 
! 	Your posts, this being one of them, shows what happens when
! someone thinks knowing Monty Python is fitting criteria for suitable
! intelligence."
! 
! 
! 	Soon enough a number of people jumped in to support Mr.Anderson's
! indication that knowing Monty Python phrases are fitting criteria for
! suitable intelligence.
! 
! Richard Graves, ardent Holocaust defender seemed to disagree with
! Moran's notion.
! 
! 	"Are you suggesting that it isn't?"
! 
! -rich
! 
! 
! 	Then we had another Holocaust supporter's opinion,
! 
! "This boy is truly sad. Tell you what, Moran, go ask your friend
! Giwer.  He likes Python.  He'll explain it to you."
! 
! Keith Morrison 
! 	
! 
! 	It, seeming that maybe Mr.Morrison knew what all the Monty Python
! phrase was about, Moran ask Mr.Morrison,
! 
! 	"Why don't you just tell me."
! 
! 	Mr.Morrison replied,
! 
! 	"Explaining it to someone who can't catch on...yet...would be
! like trying to explain relativity to a brick wall."
! 
! 
! 	So, here we have this one fool coming out and claiming that
! knowing some phrase from Monty Python is fitting criteria for quality
! intelligence and a bunch of others jump in to express their support
! for the criteria, one even equating Monty Python phrases with the
! Theory of Relativity.
! 
! 	Ah yes, when one Holocaust lemming goes over the cliff, as usual,
! others follow.

Monty Python beats the Theory of Relativity any day.  It's looking like
Albert Einstein was wrong.  At least, speed of matter faster than the
speed of light have been attained in the laboratory.  Anti-semites win
again, but it was a long battle.


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Subject: Re: 960907: Update on David Irving
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In <3233884B.798B@ix.netcom.com> Rich Graves  writes:

! Dave Harman OBC wrote:
! > 
! > In  rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:
! > 
! > ! Actually, he has done a few things. An accurate description of what 
! > ! this case meant -- in the words of the judges -- is at
! > ! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving.david/
! > 
! > You people say he's a Nazi because you anti-racists are too soft lazy
! > to come up with real arguments.
! 
! Please let us know who has called Mr. Irving a Nazi. In fact Mr. Irving 
! has taken great pains to distance himself from most Nazi policies. 
! We'll be waiting.
! 
! -rich

Blame the San Francisco [Chronicle|Examiner] and the East Bay Express
if you don't like it.  Note that Paul Rauber from the East Bay Express
is reposted by Jamie McCarthy as an attack on Willis Carto.  Mr. 
Rauber is an amusing columnist who loves to attack the bad guys, but
also patriots.

And most anti-racists are wealthy, that's why you lazy yuppie scum
hate the poor.  We rednecks are getting redder than ever.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 13:18:52 PDT 1996
Article: 63831 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In <50qsje$103@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! To answer the only question you asked amidst a barrage of insults and
! unsupported assertions, yes, of course it is perfectly legal to publish
! Nazi propaganda for scholarly purposes. Contrary to Nazi propaganda about
! ZOG censorship, Mein Kampf is widely available in Germany.

Liar.  Mein Kampf is illegal throughout Germany.  Almost no Germans 
have read it but licensed historians who, of course, have to prove 
fidelity to the anti-racist global vision before achieving access to 
the text.

ZOG is an anti-racist expression that anti-racists use to demonize opponants 
of Jewish American nationalism.  Your use of it is telling.

! If you meant to ask, "is Nazi propaganda typically published in scholarly
! journals," then the answer is no. Peer review tends to weed out political

Of course not.  But nazi texts are illegal to possess in Germany.  It
is this right to own, reproduce and distribute nazi poropaganda in
accordance with the formation of a nazi political party that is demanded
by all anti-censorship activists.  There is no demand that the society
must support it, privately or publicly, just to follow a good faith in
the values of the German republic.

! propaganda of *any* stripe. Pseudoscientific bunk from the so-called
! Institute for Historical Review on -- for example -- how 1a) bodies don't
! burn because they're 80% water, hence the Aucchwitz crematoria could never

They've never said this, they said that corpses are harder to burn 
because of water content than wood or coal.  I don't know what you mean 
about corpes burning explosively, but you only read the file names on 
Nizkor, not the files themselves.  Nevertheless, it should not be that 
there are any German regulations on this subject whatsoever, that there 
is, is political regidification contrary to the spirit of the republic.

! have worked and 1b) bodies burn so explosively that the Auschwitz
! crematoria could never have worked -- does not get published in scholarly
! journals in the United States, either. As the story on page A-12 of this
! morning's Los Angeles Times shows -- look for the article in
! alt.revisionism -- there is a hell of a lot of quite open discussion in
! Germany about Nazi propaganda and atrocities. 

Bogus.  There is only discussion about how bad racism is, whether
racists are the worst enemies of humanity or merely jerks.  But in
no case is it allowed for anybody in Germany to advocate nazism,
the sentence of Gerhard Lauck to four years in prison is proof of
it.  *Sure* he was sentenced for "advocating terrorism," but in
Germany, as in the mainstream media monopoly, racism *is* considered
terrorism itself, merely advocating that nazis should rule 
Germany is illegal, yet this is the natural right of *all* political
parties in a republic.  Your incessant attempts to legimatise state 
terror is apalling.

! The US has, or believes it has, a positive history of violent upheaval; 
! the Founding Fathers are seen as freedom fighters. (The expropriation of
! loyalist property, the repression of the Whiskey Rebellion and related

The repression of the Shay's rebellion was wrong, for it was a 
rebellion against Jewish capitalism, so I suppose you are positive
about the state's repression in that affair.  These insurrections
are capable of having a domino effect, perhaps this country would
have become a redneck paradise if Daniel Shay's succeeded.

! fallout, the War of 1812, slavery, and the near elimination of the Native
! American population are not as horrifying as the Holocaust because they

There are many times more Native Americans now than there were then,
you ally yourself with Noam Chomsky in calling the whites role in
this genocide?

! were so long ago, less well documented, and less clearly instruments of
! state policy.) Germany's history of political violence is rather
! different, as is her current political situation. I am willing to cut
! Germany some slack regarding political extremism and propaganda meant to
! incite violence, provided that they follow standards of equal protection
! and due process, as I believe was done in this case. 
! 
! I don't believe that this is an onerous relativization of the idea of
! universal human rights. People are not jailed in Germany merely for
! expressing political opinions.  I note that Amnesty International's
! reports on Germany are far less critical than its reports on the United
! States, and with reason. 
! 
! It's sad and puzzling seeing the Nazis succeed in giving the impression,
! among US activists, that the German government is engaged in a brutal
! repression of the political right, when in fact the story in the news
! today is censorship of left-wing, so-called anti-fascist extremists
! thought to be sympathetic to terrorism. 

Your hatred of anti-capitalism is a well known brand, it's what is
spoon fed the lower capitalist class to think that lower
businessmen have some sort of stake in the $ystem.  Ever read anything
in the Wall Street Journal, one of the fairest of the media monopoly's
arrogant outposts, to be disagreeable to your global vision?  I
suppose you think of Foreign [Affairs|Policy] to be a pretty good
informative magazine, eh?  It is, for contrarians.  You apparantly
have some sort of failure in your critical thinking apparatus that
finds you swallowing up communist and nazi propaganda as a whole.
Rich Graves is the most intelligent of the anti-racists and also
the most criminal.  Stick to the books, I'd be sorry to see you go,
your the only sigger to offer much of a philosophical challenge.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 13:57:18 PDT 1996
Article: 42550 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Fuckhead
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In <5109t5$9td@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! In  qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes: 
! >
! >In <50pfga$qvk@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B.
! James) writes:
! >
! >! In <50ntuo$gdn@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean
! A
! >! Robards) writes: 
! >! >
! >! >In <50n9kk$epn@crl2.crl.com> Comrade Molotov  writes: 
! >! >>
! >! >>In <322BD7AC.46BD@gol.com> jpmartin  writes:
! >! >>
! >! >>> James Nguyen wrote:
! >! >>> > 
! >! >>> > On 26-Aug-96 10:53:07, Kurt Heilbron (kurt@hula.net) wrote:
! >! >>> > >>Over 13 Million tonnes of bombs dropped. Innocent farming
! >! >villagers
! >! >>> > >>napalmed, burned to death or machine gunned. Millions of
! square
! >! >acres of
! >! >>> > >>forest and land  defoliated and contaminated by agent
! orange.
! >! >International
! >! >>> > >>trade embargoes. Civilised indeed.
! >! >>> > 
! >! >>> > >Give me a break.  At least we never sent in WOMEN with bombs
! >! >strapped
! >! >>> > >to their bodies.   You asian fucks seem to forget the pain
! and
! >! >>> > >suffering you panheads inflicted on American soldiers...not
! to
! >! >mention
! >! >>> > >your savage torturing techniques to obtain information from
! >! >P.O.W's.
! >! >>> > 
! >! >>> > Oh really? Ever seen the famous picture of american gi bashing
! a
! >! >tied
! >! >>> > down captured vc? It was all tit for tat. You weren't angles
! >! >either so
! >! >>> > shut the hell up.
! >! >>> > 
! >! >>> > -
! >! >>> > j.n.    http://netspace.net.au/~nguyen/
! >! >>> >
! >! >>> >  Uh...Isn't war SUPPOSED to inflict pain and suffering? Kill
! the
! >! >enemy, right? The side with the most kills wins? Wrong. We kept
! >! >killing. 
! >! >>> They kept coming. Even Napalm wasn't enough. 
! >! >>Fuckhead.  We're gonna get you capitalist pig
! >! >
! >! >
! >! >
! >! >   Fuck you you piss-poor anti-capitalist wnaker..we're gonna BUY
! you.
! >! >HAIL THE WHITE RACE!
! >! >HAIL THE RICH!
! >! >HAIL CAPITALISM!
! >! 
! >! damn..i feel kinda left out....being a poor, mutt, who doesnt
! exactly
! >! get the whole point behind capitalism.
! >! 
! >! Cheers,
! >! Bullseye
! >! BAltimore trad skin for life
! >LONG LIVE RACIST REDS!
!  geee, two of my favorite worlds collide, racist red (blatant sarcasm
! implied) this kinda shit makes me so happy(with laughter) i love it(as
! much as i would love open heart surgery without anesthetic)
Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 16:14:11 PDT 1996
Article: 63883 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! In article <50b180$9hq@light.lightlink.com>,
! anonymous@electra.lightlink.com wrote:
! 
! > Re: ACHTUNG: "HOLOCAUST" LIES! 
! > 
! > Dear Holy-Roasters:
! > 
! > A dozen of you anti-truth, anti-goyim, anti-history, shoah-snuff
! > propagrandees responded to my post.  I must have hit some kind of nerve
! > [probably the autonomic reflexive chutzpah system]. 
! 
! Ahh... no name-calling here, eh?
!  
! By the way... why do you hide behind an anonymous handle, coward?
!  
! Are you so afraid of us JOOOOS?
!  
! Sara
! 
! -- 
! "I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it."
!     Edith Sitwell


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep  9 21:43:12 PDT 1996
Article: 63955 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: The Score: PBI August 30th-September 7th
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In <50vdvf$fbc@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! >In <50u0uv$dc7@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:
! >
! >! Posts batted in, for those interested in the big picture. Mr. Giwer
! >! maintains his commanding lead, if you can call it that. This is strictly a
! >! sorted list of From: lines. No attempt has been made to authenticate the
! >! sender or to group together different From: lines that are really the same
! >! person (for example, rblackmore/jbelling, rich/rcgraves).
! >
! >Without posting your methods, it's hard to trust your figures.  Why don't
! >you post the code you used.
! 
! Sure thing, Dave. It was just a quick hack to my killfile, below.

I don't know unix programming, yet, but I can grep the news spool, that's
nothing.  I just can't maintain a table because I don't know how to
restrict searches to apropriate dates.

! >It's also a novel idea to include the Path:  line with each From:  line,
! >or even simply sort by the Path:  .  The Path:  line is the only part of
! 
! Done; I just posted the total because I didn't want to take the time to
! look through the data. The ultimate goal is to build a tab-delimited data
! set from which I can generate graphs suitable for framing. 
! 
! PBI is just one possible metric, used here only because it is the basis
! for the Nizkor "Adopt-A-Denier" Program. 
! 
! The Nizkor Project thanks you for your contribution. My check for $80, $1
! per post, is in the mail. Please do keep it up, but remember that spam of
! sufficient BI to attract the 'bots does not count. For example, I believe
! you have posted more than 20 one-line "Fuckhead" followups.

This following just looks like chicken scratch to me.

! #!/usr/leland/bin/perl
! 
! $lastHeader = "" ;
! while (  ) {
!         chop ;
! 	last if ($_ eq "") ;
!         if ( /^[A-Za-z0-9\-]*\:/ ) { # this ignores continuation lines
!             @Tmp = split(/\:/,$_) ; # could use ($&,$') but this
!             #is faster
!             $tmp = shift (@Tmp);
!             if ( $Headers{$tmp} ) {
!                 $Headers{$tmp} .= join(':',@Tmp)  ;
!             } else {
!                 $Headers{$tmp} = join(':',@Tmp);
!             }
!             $lastHeader = $tmp ;
!         } elsif ( /^\t/ ){      # Tab starts continuation lines
!             if ( $lastHeader ) {
!                 $Headers{$lastHeader} .= $_;
!             }
!         }
! }
! open (WC, "|/usr/leland/bin/wc > /tmp/llurch.altrev");

I suggest using $HOME/tmp for tmp files, for better [privacy|security].
I compile all my programs like that.

! while (  ) {
! 	print WC;
! }
! close (WC);
! $_ = `/usr/leland/bin/cat /tmp/llurch.altrev`;
! ($junk,$lines,$words,$chars) = split (/\s+/,$_);
! unlink ("/tmp/llurch.altrev");
! $Headers{'From'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! open (DATA, ">> /u4/alt.rev/$Headers{'From'}");
! $Headers{'Subject'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! $Headers{'Newsgroups'} =~ s/^\s+//;
! $Headers{'Followup-To'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! $Headers{'Message-ID'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! $Headers{'References'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! $Headers{'NNTP-Posting-Host'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! $Headers{'X-Newsreader'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! $Headers{'X-Mailer'} =~ s/^\s*//;
! print DATA "$Headers{'From'}\t$Headers{'Subject'}\t";
! print DATA "$Headers{'Newsgroups'}\t$Headers{'Followup-To'}\t";
! print DATA "$Headers{'Message-ID'}\t$Headers{'References'}\t";
! print DATA "$Headers{'NNTP-Posting-Host'}\t$Headers{'X-Newsreader'}\t";
! print DATA "$Headers{'X-Mailer'}\t$lines\t$words\t$chars\n";
! close (DATA);

egrep 'From: |Path: ' /var/spool/news/alt/revisionism/*

sort of works, but sed is better so only the first matches
of each post is found.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 07:19:08 PDT 1996
Article: 64007 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: ?
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In <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> Sylvia Rowe  writes:

! What's interesting to me (and I don't know if the rest of you picked
! up on it) is that Dave Harman OBC (obviously one of McOyVey's flunkies)
! is really concerned about who "threatened" Milton. Hmmm...now why is
! this? I thought that McOyVey and crew could care less if Milton were
! found hacked into tiny bits, individually wrapped in cling film and
! shoveled into an abandoned refrigerator. Now all of a sudden people
! care? Very suspicious.

Quite.  Anti-racists are trying to terrorise new posters to the net 
who don't know any better.  They're trying to make an example of Mr.
Kleim by bringing up terrorism no matter what a non-sequitor it is.  

Do you really think people like Rich Graves and other anti-racists
care about Milton Kleim other than to first use him as a scapegoat and
then attempt to claim that they cared all along about his personal well
being?  

Drunken skinheads may make risky friends, but more satisfying in
the long haul.  

Who says an upstanding activist cannot have comrades of every class and 
ability?  Milton Kleim is a genius but only racists recognize that.  
Anyone who harrasses him is an anti-racist.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 17:31:13 PDT 1996
Article: 64221 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <50sib4$r8n@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! >Anti-racists commit over 99% of acts of violence every year that racists 
! >are the victim of.  Racists commit only one hundred acts of violence a 
! >year, and many racists are falsely convicted every year because of 
! >political persecution by anti-racists in power.
! 
! gee, do racists have a quota for acts of violence? what, do they get
! overtime for commiting more than a hundred acts of violence every year?
! fuck off, stop cross posting

Just showing that anti-racists are vastly more violent than racists.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 17:31:14 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <32342161.3682@ccnis.net> Annie Alpert  writes:

! dannie hawkins wrote:
! > It seems many jews just cannot keep themselves from PUSHING.
! > It would have been much better if a white jew had killed berg.
! 
! Well isn't that disingenuous.  Allan Berg was killed by white racists.
! You have to live with that.

Following a popular hypothesis:

Whites who care about their heritage are racist;
The aggressors in the Alan Berg slaying were racist;
Jews are white;
Jews care about their heritage;
Therefore Jews killed Alan Berg.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 17:31:15 PDT 1996
Article: 64235 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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Your right, He needs no apology.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 17:31:15 PDT 1996
Article: 64240 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: ?
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In <50raf6$quv@elaine39.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! Yes, don't you hate it when people who claim believe in free speech
! presume to -- gasp -- express opinions? 
! 
! Your concern is misplaced. Declan really doesn't care about you Nazis
! either way. He expends far too much energy thinking about himself. I
! suppose I should give Declan some credit for mentioning my (first) name,
! in the context of (falsely) claiming credit for my initiative.

Once again, Rich Graves supports internet censors as the mad dog of
capitalism he is.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 17:31:16 PDT 1996
Article: 64245 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: IGNORE THAT ASSHOLE DAVE HARMAN....READ THE WEB PAGE!!!!
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In <513q6t$cq2@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Listen up, Dave Harman, OBC:  I, Bill Anderson, hereby denounce
! donut outers everywhere as a grave and potent threat to world 
! freedom.  I pledge to dedicate my life to keeping donuts in the
! closet.  Amen.

Richhead.  My teeth will stab your pastries in the mouth.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 17:31:17 PDT 1996
Article: 64247 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <5121ol$aks@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! >! That's what people said about Malcolm X. And Trotsky.
! >! 
! >! Then they were killed.
! 
! >They were killed by people like you.
! 
! Actually, David they were killed by people like you.

They were killed by anti-racists.

! Continuing members of their "ex-movements"

Actually, they were starting competing movements in the capitalist fashion.

! Do you get the feeling that Dave is upset because Milton won't play in
! the sandbox with him anymore?

I'm happy he joined it.  Now I hope he builds a big sandcastle.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 18:04:39 PDT 1996
Article: 64248 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <3234af56.4038800@news.awinc.com> klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:

! #Dole gave his blood, sweat and tears for his country. Clinton only gave
! 
! And if there is a God in heaven, he'll be crying some more after November 8.

There ain't a dime's worth of difference between William Clinton 
and Robert Dole.  Vote third party as a powerful symbolic vote.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 18:04:45 PDT 1996
Article: 64252 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Gave Harman - Fuckhead or idjit?
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In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:

Keep it up.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 18:04:46 PDT 1996
Article: 64255 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: --->NOTICE: David Irving Speaks Tonight [9/10] in Oakland @17:00
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In <514ddn$3mk@nntp1.best.com> womack@nntp.best.com (Hal Womack) writes:

! 	            MORE INFO WRT TONIGHT'S MEETING:
! 
! 	1.) The Price of Admission = Free to all students with a valid
! I.D. from the University of California at Berkeley and
! 			        ---> $10.00 to all others, <---
! according to the advertisement in today's DAILY CALIFORNIAN placed by the
! "Berkeley Free Speech Coalition". 
! 	2.) The topic of David Irving's talk will be: "Free Speech Denied
! And Adolf Hitler's Final Solution Finally Solved".
! 	3.) Contact tel. # for the BFSC sponsors = 510/704-5228.
! 	4.) Closest BART stop = 19th Street Oakland, about 6 blocks away.
! 	5.) The meeting is scheduled to begin at 7 o'clock. <---
! 
! 	I intend to reply to Rich Graves' action-packed follow-up after
! breakfast, laundry, a Coke, a smoke, a nap and, possibly, Christmas :-)

What about the San Francisco speech?


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 18:04:47 PDT 1996
Article: 64256 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is illegal in Germany.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 18:04:48 PDT 1996
Article: 64258 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Joel Rosenberg Laughs Off Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-Racists
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In <5121on$aks@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! >Oh, and why don't you inform your Jewish friends about how much you
! >support taking away their mony from them?
! 
! My Jewish friends (and my non-Jewish ones) know my political
! economics.

About how you want to abolish inheritance of property?  I support that
100%.  It would be great for the state to talk away all of the rich's
money.  I also support sharply reducing capital gains and making the
entire tax system progressive to suffocate the rich.  But only racists
fully support a progressive economic system.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 19:07:03 PDT 1996
Article: 64274 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <511vco$qrp@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! >No shit.  Anti-racists are rich terrorists.
! 
! 	Care to substantiate that remark?

Rich terrorists are anti-racists.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 19:07:04 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <5126d2$170@netnews.upenn.edu> weinecks@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Silke-Maria  Weineck) writes:

! That's interesting; I remember typing large chunks of it when I was 14, 
! in the service of a graduate student who didn't even study history. No 
! conscience testing involved.

Than one of us has been lied to by anti-racists, you or me?  Anti-racists
lie just they're described in My War, right?

If I'm wrong about it being illegal to read Mein Kampf in Germany,
then I apologise for transmitting a lie by anti-racists.  In either
case, it just goes to show us how much anti-racists lie.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 19:07:05 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: ?
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In  rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

Liar.  You know very well that the revisionists are suffering from a 
forgery attack.  You are a suspect.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 19:25:36 PDT 1996
Article: 37096 of alt.skinheads
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: is this a nazi symbol ?
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In <50o7g4$has@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> hvlcrt@marge.cs.mcgill.ca (Harry VALCOURT) writes:

! I'D Like to get soem info about some symbol that i see around.
!  It's a rune and it looks like an upside down fish shape. or better it 
! looks like one of those aids red ribbons.
! 
! Now is this a traditional germanic symbol that has some 
! religious/cultural significance  or is it a purely 100% racist nazi thing ?
! 
! Basically, if i see someone wearing a t-shirt with that sign on it, are 
! they automatically racists ?

No.  Racists are extremely rare.  Only the highest quality being
can be a racist.  I know your jealous.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: White Girls
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In <01bb9b59$15240f60$50e500cf@drknight.erinet.com> "Cyberbob"  writes:

! Hey, I believe that niggers are low, but could somebody tell me why white
! girls are going out with black guy's?   What can they possibly see?

Because the world is controlled by color, who are aiming to exterminate
us by 2100.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 20:12:20 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <511f07$t45@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! : ! Actually, I don't find this one cute.  Posting the Troll's address in
! : ! this context--directly following an inflammatory, if accurate
! : ! description of him--smells too much like an incitement to violence
! : ! for my taste.
! : 
! : Why haven't you denounced Rich Graves?
! 
! What am I supposed to denounce Rich for?

For terrorising usenet with his vague threats against Milton Kleim.
You and I know better, newbies are the target that he's sinking his
sadistic teeth into.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Whites Created Everything
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In <422E242D2.240B@ix.netcom.com> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! While you're here, could you clarify the position of the National
! Alliance, in which you have some status, vis-a-vis "race traitors" and
! dissidents in "the movement"? As you have probably noticed, this has been
! a topic of discussion here. Perhaps you could discuss the applicability of
! chapter 7 of Pierce's _Turner Diaries_, which was posted here, with
! specific references? There seems to be a perception that the National
! Alliance is a wannabe terrorist organization dominated by hobbyists who
! like to talk big about "white revolution" and "cleansing race traitors."
! Is this true, and if so, what are you, personally, doing about it? 

Gee, but didn't Rich Graves just claim to be a National Alliance member
out to make anti-racists look like idiots?  Well, now that the cat's 
out of the bag, Rich should simply quit spreading those rumors, such as
the one Rich just posted from chapter seven as a threat to the ignorant.
There's no such phrases as in the Turner Diaries, we already know that
Rich Graves has failed his Stanford degree in political science.  Most
violence ccomes from anti-racists and you begrudgingly know that, joker.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Racists Created Everything
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In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:

! In article <511inp$afi@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
! (Milton Kleim) wrote:
! 
! Keep your butt low and keep speaking from your heart, Milt. I commend you
! for continuing to stand for what you believe is right.

Gee, and how much you wanted to kill him a few months ago!  What a fair
anti-racist!

Instead, he should keep a high profile.  I'd like to hear more of him
before he fully goes one way or the other.  It's interesting.  There's
other anti-NA racists, just because he quit doesn't make him anti-racist!
There can't be enough free thinking racists.  


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 20:14:57 PDT 1996
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In <51219m$ht1@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:

!     Wait a minute here.  Not only is the "White Race" a myth, but so are
! all others.  "Race" is biologically invalid.  "Race" among humans is an
! artificial social construct.  Nothing more.  

Prove it.  Your unsupported assertions are, of course, worthless.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 20:16:52 PDT 1996
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In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:

! In article <32347B3E.4E56@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
! [snip]
! 
! *     When an Official Jew opens with some version of his "I'm Jewish
! * and.." line, I am always reminded of a line from a TV show which is
! * popular with all us trailer trash, *Married With Children*.  When Peggy
! * says she has an idea, Al always says, hopelessly, "This isn't going to
! * be really, really STUPID, is it?"  
! *     Peg always says no, and of course it is.
! 
! And then Dr. Bob "Bundy" counters with: "A clone came waddling into my shoe
! store today and demanded to try on a size 4 stilletoes, and I told her to
! try The Establishment Good Boys' Blacksmith or the Mommy Professor's
! Fatbroad Emporium down at the Lakewood Mall. She whacked me over the head
! so hard with her stack of diplomas that I wasn't able to clearly see the
! Childbride centerfold in Mighty-Whitey Big 'Uns all afternoon! Peg, did you
! know that those certified Aryan wimmen have three breasts? You may be old
! and from Wanker County, but at least the inbreeding in your family stopped
! before you started growing extra body parts!"
! 
! "Quiet, everyone! It's time for _PsychoDad_."
! 
! [snip]
! 
! -- 
! Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
! Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
! http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
! 
! "There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white
! man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
!  Mark Twain


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 20:16:53 PDT 1996
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! In article <32351563.2D1A@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
! 
! 
! >Next time I go online with my local library's system, I'll look up the 
! >reference.
! 
! If you take some lessons from George J. Lehmann (the coward and demonstrable 
! liar), you can fail to find anything (or at least pretend to) online.
! 
! Hell, you don't even have to go online . . . 
! 
! 
! 
! ---------------------------------------------------------------
! http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
! ...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
!o send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.
Flame.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 20:48:43 PDT 1996
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! Can YOU guess?

Adolf Hitler described them in My War.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 21:13:47 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <3234E41A.4645@swlink.net> Tim McBride  writes:

! > Wha?  You just make excuses for the conservatives, you rich yuppie
! > scum are just lazy assholes.  We rednecks are poor and racially
! > superior to Jews, who are simply criminals.
! 
! All Racist should be shot!

The rich are lazy scum.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 21:14:38 PDT 1996
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In <513t7k$lsc@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A Robards) writes:

!      Oh really? Could you please provide some back up? Furthermore,why
! do you liberals always call racists IGNORANT?! I have studied race,and
! thusly the only thing I MAY be "ignorant" (ie lacking knowledge of) is
! nigger cock.

Your ignorant about economics and the virtues of nazism.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 23:09:11 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <511inp$afi@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! > I cannot find the Barricade edition stocked in any bookstores, the
! > ability to order it is not good enough.  
! 
! I've found it in several "normal" bookstores.  WHERE are you looking?

Cody's, said to be the largest independant bookstore in California, a 
large Barnes & Noble, Tower Records, and some other places that have
a lot of gun magazines and Loompanic books.  They offer to order it for
me, but that's not the point.  The point of the whole shenannigan was to
distribute the book like other mainstream books, yet I see stuff in all
those stores that have only a few thousand copies distributed versus
The Turner Diaries already having many more times that number sold.

! > Why not instead go and attempt to advertise in any periodical that makes
! > the pretense of supporting free speech?
! 
! Well, I shock myself when I say this, but I'm now convinced that _the
! Turner Diaries_ is an _abuse_ of free speech, even as interpreted by the
! Founding Fathers (whom in my book count more than modern legal
! "theorists").  Publications have a legitimate justification for not
! publicizing it.  But, there is also a case to be made, as Lyle Stuart did,
! that dissemination of the book has greater positive effect, than does
! suppressing it.  The more normal people (i.e., those who are not bitter at
! society -- as I was -- or loony, or even totally fucking nuts) who read
! the book and are absolutely repulsed by the base hatred (no, I didn't
! believe it was a book of "love for one's Race" when I was in the
! "movement," either) and mad schemes and dreams within it's covers, the
! better.  The greater awareness of the threat to not only non-Whites, but
! Aryans who don't share the author's "vision," the greater potential that
! the "vision" will not be realized (yet again), even in small scale. 

Hating the enemies of the race is currently part of love of the race.
And how does the book violate free speech?  There's nothing crazy in it.

! You might want to ask William Pierce and George Burdi what they think
! about your suggestion regarding the first and last items... [take into
! account Pierce's doubling of the sale price of TTD, and Burdi's
! self-manufactured "White Man's Code of Honor" prohibition against copying
! his CDs...]

Actually, raising the price is a good sign, whatever the market will
bear, they should of did it instead of merchandising the copyright.
Part of the idea is to raise money.  And what I meant was the one
can support the Tuner Diaries and Hunter etc., without supporting the
authors or orgaizations involved. 

! As for my _National Socialism Primer_, obviously I no longer advance it as
! a legitimate and realistic political tome.  In fact, I have requested

No, it's not obvious.  In the last few months you rejected NA and 
skinheads, but that says nothing in the big picture about your 
world vision.  It'd be great to be able to reject an old crowd and
continue the same viewpoints.  Same view, different ways.  May I
recommend the genius of Alfred Rosenberg?  


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 23:22:17 PDT 1996
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In <5137rv$dql@newsbf02.news.aol.com> alphachnl@aol.com (ALPHA CHNL) writes:

! If you ignorant people had a clue you might realize that "race" isnt even
! a real biological trait. The very basis of your arguements is
! non-existant! Thank God no one actually takes you guys seriously!

No, we shouldn't let you take away our donuts.


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No.


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In <50po5a$r69@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! So much for ZOG-Pinko-Communist media control.
! 
! -rich

Once again, Rich Graves defends internet censorship.  His method is
to attack every attempt at raising a defense to censorship 
perpetrators.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 10 23:56:19 PDT 1996
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In <50n6gk$kcp@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! The magazine has been publishing letters from various terrorist
! organisations, which was considered as illegal "promotion for
! terrorist organisations" by the Bundesanwaltschaft. As a
! consequence the "radikal" editors themselves been classified as a
! "criminal organisation".
! 
! The current issue contains a description of the railway signalling
! system intended for sabotage.

Anti-racists have been sabotaging railroads in Arizona and Germany.
In spite of that, good people don't support censorship of communists.


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No so-called white government is as powerful as the capitalists.
Censorship is far worse from the private sector than it is by the
state.  It's the ruling class that forces the government to censor.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 11 07:13:52 PDT 1996
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In <511pl5$o65@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! >Fuckhead.  You mean one line rebuttals are enough?
! 
! 	Hell, Harman thinks one-WORD replies are enough; both on Usenet 
Thanks.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 11 07:13:53 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! It occurs to me, by the way, that the long discussion of Mermelstein's KO of 
! the antisemitic swine of the IHR may have been a bit lengthy for some readers, 
! particularly those -- like the antisemite, bluffer, braggart and coward, 
! George J. Lehmann -- with short attention spans.
! 
! So, here it is, short and sweet, the Superior Court's order in the case.
! 
! Nizkor FTP file:
!           people/m/mermelstein.mel/mermelstein.order.072285

This was a well known fraud, the suit by strawguy Mr. Mermelstein
against the IHR, being ruled against in a civil suit without 
testimony other than "It's true because Jews say it's true."
You'ld think that Jews would no longer be allowed to testify in 
court anymore, but we live in a slave embedded country.


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In <322F4414.48CC@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:

! Your idea that "attacks" on _any_ ethnic or religious groups are "out of 
! line" in America is laughable. And secondly, why does pointing out the 
! power centers of a powerful group, with documented and verifable facts, 
! as Jack Killey did with Clinton's Jewish appointees, constitute an 
! "attack"? Expose or revelation would be better word choices.

Human parasites are exterminated by the light of truth.


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In <322F3748.1B3D@ccnis.net> Annie Alpert  writes:

! >>I'm not a revisionist or a Jew hater, I like the
! > Jewish religion, it's just their race leaves something that needs to be
! > controlled for their own good.
! 
! How wise and omniscient of you to help those poor inferiors.  you must
! be some kind o' man! 

A true christian!


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 11 07:13:55 PDT 1996
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In <50reuv$20u@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! No, it's not a fair argument. It's not supposed to be. People, even
! seriously twisted and evil people like Weaver, have rights. Governments
! only have responsibilities.

There is no distinction between rights and responsibilities, there is only
duty and happiness in fulfilling the rule of nature.


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In <5163rt$1l1u@sol.caps.maine.edu> scotterb@maine.maine.edu (Scott Erb) writes:

! If you wish to argue the merits of greater free speech (Germany is one of the 
! most liberal states in the world in this regard, by the way), you can do so. 

Are you that deaf?  Germany is not a free nation.


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In <512299$mup@clotho.c2.org> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! Sylvie, it's good to see that you recognize that any "threat" against your
! ex belongs in quotes. Y'all don't really mean all that stuff you say about
! race traitors; you're just a bunch of hobbyists playing Nazi because you
! think it's "cool."

Plus, we get free donuts with a lifetime membership.


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! -rich
Liar.


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In <50kmmg$e5t@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

[conspiracy BS deleted]

! There are also quite a few sites that simply do not honor cancels.

That's become the correct way to run a news server, as anti-racists
have attacked the NNTP over and over re: Church Of Scientology.


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In <511iqg$vhq@sol.caps.maine.edu> Scott Erb writes:

! By the way, you never answered the questions put to you by the poster, did 
! you?  Does this mean you're not only stupid, but also a wimp?  That's the 
! conclusion I would draw from your posts.  Lurkers can make their own 
! conclusions of course.

What's stupider than censorship?  Believing that Germany is a free nation?


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: "Dave Harman" Alleges Vague Threat On Milton Kleim By Anti-R
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In <514b0s$4v6@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU> rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) writes:

! In article <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
! Milton Kleim  wrote:
! 
! >I don't imagine very many "anti-racists" give a shit what happens to me,
! >being blinded by base hatred as they are.  But neither do I care if they
! >use the matter for their own political agenda; most of what has been said
! >by my former opponents is true.
! 
! Actually, Mr. Kleim, I think you are in error here.  I think that many
! of us anti-racists (I see no need for quotes) are concerned about your

Quotes demean the terms.

! well-being.  I do not agree with your racist political views which
! apparently have not changed, but I respect the courage it has taken to
! make the changes that you have made.  I hope that one day you will
! change more of your views.  I realize that you probably don't think that
! will happen, but a couple of years ago you wouldn't have thought that
! you'd leave the "movement" either.  I have hope for your continued
! growth and sincerely hope that it is not interrupted by the the actions
! of those who you once thought were friends.

Only a few months ago, anti-racists advocated the death of Milton Kleim.
What changed?  A subhuman one day, and now a human being?

Racists have an open mind, how else did we become racists?  It is
primarily anti-racists who violate racists, including the ones who
are claimed to be threatening the likes of Mr. Kleim.  That he would
prefer it to be otherwise, does not change the mentality of the 
culprits.

I hope that he sires many white children, of the ethnic group of 
his desires.  All whites are friends, all People of Color enemies.


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In  Haim Guivon  writes:

! > Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is illegal in Germany.
! ===============================================================
! Everyone can get a copy in the Web. Strange how fast the world 
! is changing! The communication boom is really BOOOOMING.
! Know what? I read it and now I am much more anti-racist (well, 
! a matter of speaking, for I cannot go antier thant antiest)

Thank you for hating.  The more we polarize, the better.  There's
also a hebrew version published in Israel to aid your hatred.


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In <512tb9$38g@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! how the hell do drunken skinheads play into your never ending babble?
! you know, personally, i am a skinhead, and i spend a majority of my
! time on this hell hole called earth, drunk, but you know, i could give
! a fuck less regardless about you or Mr. Kleim, please, fuck off.

Not all drunken skinheads are as careless of higher values than you 
claim to be.  In fact, the very point that you're trying to make 
proves that youy do care about higher values, thus proving that 
wasted youth are not necessarily wasted youth.


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In <5157ga$m01@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! Tell me, Davey, who is an "enemy of the Race?"  I dare you.

The anti-racists.  Names?  Edgar Bronfman, Alan Greenberg, Harry 
Oppenheimer, Rupert Murdoch, Jack Kemp, Ross Perot, Bill Gates, Bill 
Clinton, the Theriots, the LeFraks, etc., whom, in the course of their
self-imposed duties, have gone above and beyond in the ongoing genocide 
of the race.  The white anti-racists can be reformed by stripping them 
of assets and a long stint of hard labor, while the People of Color 
will suffer to the degree of their lack of cooperation with the 
victorious racists. 

! > And how does the book violate free speech?  There's nothing crazy in it.
!                                               ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^

Are you in touch with left oriented anti-racists such as presented
by People's Weekly World and Race Traitor, or, better yet, in person?
Hell, the mainstream of political thought has it that the race doesn't 
even exist.  We are dehumanized by the professional anti-racists.  
Check out the extremes of the anti-racists before dismissing the 
Turner Diaries as unreasonable, or an abuse of the republic.

! William Pierce on compassion --
! 
! "Not twenty feet away another woman lay motionless, her face covered with 
! blood and a gaping wound in the side of her head -- a horrible sight 
! which I can still see vividly every time I close my eyes.
! 
! "According to the latest estimate released, approximately 700 persons 
! were killed in the blast or subsequently died in the wreckage....
! 
! "...{T}here is no way we can destroy the System without hurting many 
! thousands of innocent people -- no way."  (TTD, Chapter 6)
! 
! William Pierce on "justice" --
! 
! "Certainly, we must have made some mistakes today -- mistaken identities,
! wrong addresses, false accusations -- but once the executions began there
! was no admitting to the possibility of mistakes.  We deliberately created
! the image of inexorability in the public mind."  (TTD, Chapter 23)
! 
! William Pierce on "Racial Solidarity" --
! 
! "We fired all our missles at two targets: Israel and the Soviet Union 
! [sic]....What we lost, however, is substantial...nearly a fifth of the 
! White population of the country -- not to mention an unknown number of 
! millions of racial kinsmen in the Soviet Union."  (TTD, Chapter 26)
! 
! William Pierce on humanity --
! 
! "If the Organization survives this contest, no Jew will -- anywhere.  
! We'll go to the uttermost ends of the earth to hunt down the last of 
! Satan's spawn."  (TTD, Chapter 27)
! 
! William Pierce on Environmentalism --
! 
! "Therefore, the Organization resorted to a combination of chemical, 
! biological, and radiological means, on an enormous scale, to deal with 
! the problem [ostensibly to stop the Chinese from invading Europe -- ed].  
! Over a period of four years some 16 million square miles of the earth's 
! surface, from the Ural Mountains to the Pacific and from the Arctic Ocean 
! to the Indian Ocean, were effectively sterilized.  Thus the Great Eastern 
! Waste was created."  (TTD, Epilog)

All mere acts of war justified by the circumstances as presented by the 
Turner Diaries.  We are not in a declared war, we are being exterminated
by peaceful means.  Reproduction is the first goal for racists.  We have
a lot to learn from People of Color.  They taught us in grade school 
that tactics are never absolute, that pragmaticism is the way to succeed.
Agreed.

! _The Turner Diaries_ and _Hunter_ represent the genuine and _desired_
! program of Dr. No and his organization, although in fictional form.  He
! couldn't very well come out in the booklet _What is the National
! Alliance?_ and just state clearly, accurately, and explicitly what he
! would really like to see happen, now could he? 

Yes, he could, good idea.

! Why would would anyone want to support a book, while not supporting the
! organization that encompasses all the principles put forth in _the Turner
! Diaries_ and _Hunter_? 

Support of the idealogy, disbelief in the tactics.  I like the idea 
presented by Mr. Pierce or Mr. Strom about setting up an alternative
media network, an idea seemingly contradicted by merchandising 
copyrights.  Profitably selling the already printed books to whomever 
will buy it is great, strengthening the network, but the copyright 
itself, risky.  Hopefully, they'll quit doing it before starting in 
on other copyrights.  Capitalists cannot be trusted to follow the 
economic principles as presented by the financial press.

! As for jacking up the price over 100% overnight, well, what justified such
! an increase, other than just pure greed?  

What's wrong with raising funds?  Raising the price even more and 
selling it hardbound with more aggressive advertising would have been 
better than leaking the copyright.  I've only seen two ads of the old
edition, and both in gun magazines.  Advertising in any periodical that 
operates under a pretense of free speech is an idea.

! > In the last few months you rejected NA and skinheads, but that says 
! > nothing in the big picture about your world vision.  It'd be great to be 
! > able to reject an old crowd and continue the same viewpoints. 
! 
! Certainly some of the points made in the _NSP_ I still consider valid. 
! The work as a whole I do not.  Especially the revolutionary parts.  As
! I've said to a few, while some people in the "movement" talk about
! "Blut und Boden," my family has PRACTICED it for centuries.  Since
! National Socialism borrows heavily from the old German "Blut und Boden"
! concepts, certainly I cannot reject everything within the National
! Socialism worldview without rejecting my family and our heritage, which I
! will never do.  
! 
! As I told Mike Boettcher and the NBC crew, I cannot and will not denounce
! "racism," but I can and must denounce the hatred of the "movement."  The
! difference between "racism" and hatred is that the former is a natural and
! almost universally-held (yet almost universally-denied) sentiment; the
! latter is a sentiment based on jealousy, ignorance, and just plain
! stupidity. 

Semantics.  Loving the race, hating anti-racists, hating those who are 
not of the race, are all racist, it's not a requirement to be all of 
that together.  Some would even say that siring or bearing white children
is racist, it's certainly a birth war that we are collectively up against.
But, we will not be left alone, by anybody, there's no choice in the matter.

! http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748


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In <9b7cc$a2023.2c8@news.comet.net> georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) writes:

! >What's stupider than censorship?  Believing that Germany is a 
! >free nation?
! 
! No, believing the USA is.

We're not that stupid.


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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
! ...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
Joel Rosenberg, an antidote to anti-racist beliefs.


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In <514v5p$rne@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! >If I'm wrong about it being illegal to read Mein Kampf in Germany,
! >then I apologise for transmitting a lie by anti-racists. 
! 
! No David, you've been lied to by racists.  Again. 

It was mainstream anti-racists who told me the above statement.


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In  llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! > Could anyone please email me a copy (etext) of the Turner Diaries (I know 
! > it will be illegal to have a copy of this on disc and distributing it) 
! > but I can't get my hands on it here in Denmark.
! 
! Take anything by Mao, replace "bourgeois" with "nigger," and you've got
! the Turner Diaries. 

Liar, there's no crude name calling in the Turner Diaries.  Most uses of
the epithet "nigger" for African Americans is committed by anti-racists.


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In <32365BEE.3BA0@umich.edu> David VeLar  writes:

! then let US worry about it.  Well find you an island somewhere in the 
! pacific to live(CRIME FREE GUARANTEED!) which occupies only 1% of all 
! the land in the U.S.  OKAY?!?

How nice, great!  But, we will not be left alone by the powers that be.
Your crime rate is murdering us alive.  We control nothing but the
bodies we carry our brains in.  We want more, and that means racial
hatred.  But do make your offer to the United Nations.  If only you
had the power to carry it out!


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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! Hitler called it "pornography." So now you're calling Hitler a ... liar?

Now you say that Mr. Hitler is a factmaster?


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In <5174dh$7n8@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! >Rich terrorists are anti-racists.
! 
! 	I have yet to find a dictionary which defines substantiating a sentence
! of the form "X are Y" as saying "Y are X".
eh?


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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! I just read the Forbes Top 40 highest-paid entertainers.
!  
! There were only two (or possibly 4, if you count Roseanne and Michael
! Douglas) Jews on the list.

Jews control the Forbes Top 40 highest-paid entertainers.  Absolutely.


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In <5150rj$54g@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! >! I've found it in several "normal" bookstores.  WHERE are you looking?
! >
! >Cody's, said to be the largest independant bookstore in California, a 
! 
! Cody's has several copies in stock. If I knew your name, Skippy, I'd have
! them hold one for you.

Feeblehead.  Skippy is my name.  I'll do a round of checking again, this 
time using the phone first.

BTW, it's not listed in the UCB catalog at all.  This point was presence,
not the ability to order.  If the Autobiography Of Malcom X was only 
available by mail order, would it have sold millions of copies?  No, it'd
have sold about as much as the Turner Diaries have sold.


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In <3236CF64.1700@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

! > Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is illegal in Germany.
! 
! How come I could buy an autographed copy in Frankfurt? 

In 1945?  That was before the Allies forced anti-racist laws
over the helpless starving Germans.


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In <514qap$qpt@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! >About how you want to abolish inheritance of property?  I support that
! >100%.  It would be great for the state to talk away all of the rich's
! >money.  I also support sharply reducing capital gains and making the
! >entire tax system progressive to suffocate the rich.  But only racists
! >fully support a progressive economic system.
! 
! That's utter bullshit, David.  My dad is a Jew and he supports this
! very same plan.

I'm glad he does, like you and I.  But I mean confiscating Jewish assets
too.  That's racist.  And it'll require a racist state for the guts to
deny the former ruling classes their supposed right to exploit.  For joy!


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In <5181uu$h7k@clotho.c2.org> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! -rich

You have trolled Milton Kleim enough.  Stop.


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In <5177qq$o0t@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! i still dont see where you get off with this combination belief of
! social status and race, in addition, whats with this bullshit of you
! being a redneck, trust me mate, my whole family are rednecks and no
! more than 10 of em have seen an actuall working computer in their
! lives, in my personall opinion, you are small minded, confused little
! man, fuck off

Fuck off for hating rednecks.  And lack of redneck status never
precludes desires to protect the racial health of the nation.


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In <9b7cc$163620.d6@news.comet.net> georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) writes:

! >! >What's stupider than censorship?  Believing that Germany is a 
! >! >free nation?
! >! 
! >! No, believing the USA is.
! >
! >We're not that stupid.
! 
! Clearly you have not been to Lincoln, Nebraska.

Nebraskans aren't any stupider than other Americans or Germans in 
believing we live in a free nation.


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In  ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez) writes:

! > Once again, Rich Graves defends internet censorship.  His method is
! > to attack every attempt at raising a defense to censorship 
! > perpetrators.
! 
! Never mind that.  Please begin cataloging all his lies and, if possible,
! create a repostable summary of them.

I'm working on learning how to run my own server.  Then, anybody can
repost as they please.


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In <518add$avs@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! him. You'll be glad you did - trust me.

No.


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In  Stathis George  writes:

! This is a call for the creation of a mailing list, dealing with
! the amazing new problems (and solutions) that have emerged, via
! the Internet, for the first time in (human) History.   Subject:

! In the Name of Athena (the Hellenic Goddess of Wisdom),
! and in the name of Aphrodite/Demeter/Artemis/Gaia/Hermes/Dionysus,

This tells you all you need to know.  The list mangers are to promote 
the anti-racist deities over the true classic Greek deities like Zeus.


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In <5195ji$g3k@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! >I'm glad he does, like you and I.  But I mean confiscating Jewish assets
! >too.  That's racist.  And it'll require a racist state for the guts to
! >deny the former ruling classes their supposed right to exploit.  For joy!
! 
! Why is it racist to confiscate any assets, Jewish or not?

Many anti-racists want to do it too, but racists are the ones to
actually instigate the confiscation of assets of the capitalists.


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In <842530685$14839@atype.com> JGNM57A@prodigy.com (Howard Peer) writes:

! Bobby Seale will be presenting a talk at a platform hosted by the 
! Philadelphia Ethical Society.

Is he now ethical?


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Southern Poverty Law Center>  Some observers have suggested that white
churches are burning at the same rate as black churches.  Are there any
indications that white churches are just as likely to be burned right
now as black churches?

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms officer James Cavanaugh>  White churches
are the subject of attack, so are mosques and synagogues.  Unfortunately
that seems to be an occurance in the U.S. every year.  What I think we
are seeing here is a little bit of an unusual phenonmenon in that black
church fires in small clusters are on somewhat of an upswing.  I do 
understand that white churches are burning and we are going to 
investigate those, too.  We consider a fire in any house of worship a
case that merits federal attention.

[
Forensic science is at a high technical level, we suggest that the
reason that the culprits have not been located is the state agencies
buckling under anti-racist pressure to scapegoat racists.

And, in any case, houses of worship do not merit extraordinary 
federal protection versus homes, businesses and political groups.
]


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In <5178tp$bvb@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! >Liar, there's no crude name calling in the Turner Diaries.  Most uses of
! >the epithet "nigger" for African Americans is committed by anti-racists.
! 
! yanking open the door on the driver's side. "Come on, niggers,
! 
! three Black males, one Black female-and two White sluts. I shook
! my head in disgust at the sight of the two White girls, neither of
! 
! whores. Six months ago I couldn't imagine myself calmly

Oops, forgot about that.

You still lie about the anti-racists being the primary users of crude
epithets like zog, nigger, kike and chink.


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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! Mileage varies.  As for me, I'm not at all sure how I'd feel about his fate 
! were Kleim to suffer some grievous harm, although I suspect it would be 
! somewhere between mild regret and indifference.  

The insensitivity of anti-racists.


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In <514q8k$j7o@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! did i say i was wasted youth? no, i said i dont give a fuck about you
! or mr. kleim, because simply, no matter what either of you, or in
! factanyone like you may or may not do, myself and my friends will
! continue to live our lives the way we do every day, so fuck off

Not caring about the community at large is a wasted attitude.


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In <515ol8$6uf@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch


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In <5174a0$7lh@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! >Just showing that anti-racists are vastly more violent than racists.
! 
! 	You mean racists like George Burdi?

Absolutely.  Re: Mr. Ferguson, wealthy Jamaican immigrant to the USA.


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In <519e79$ac5@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! ideological war, a meaningless and foolish ideological war.  I'm just
! thankful that I've learned that so many of my "enemies" were really no
! enemies at all.  I can actually _converse_ with them -- they're _human_
! (gasp!). 

Idealogical war is the best type!

! > I'm still racist, always was, always will be.  
! 
! That's fine.  At least you're being honest with this.  The vast majority 
! of racists deny the fact they are.

I'm a nazi racist and always will be.

! "movement" itself has strong characteristics of a cult, with the
! prerequisite mind-manipulation and coercive techniques. 

Cults will never succeed.

! choice whether to leave or not.  It's like telling a drug-addict to "just 
! quit, why don't you?"  In fact, Harold Covington, who nows goes by the 
! pseudonym "Winston Smith," compared racialist ideology/the "movement" to 
! an addiction for heroin in a recent message to me.

Is there a problem with that?


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In <51aiq7$e3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! 1. What were the views of the Allied prosecutors with regard
!    to Soviet claims re Katyn?

They DENIED it!

! 2. Did the Soviets manage to convict any defendant of the
!    Katyn slaughter?

The anti-racist media "convicted" the Third Reich of the Katyn murders 
of the Polish officers long before IMT.


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In  llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! > >Also, check the full header.
! 
! As I've posted elsewhere, there is nothing at all unusual about the
! Message-ID or the headers.

I'm wrong.  I missed the news about the JAM remailer.

! > Isn't it more likely an explanation of what Mortie's ex-buddies would be 
! > likely to do with him?
! 
! I don't consider either extreme at all likely. It's a troll. Ignore it.

Good Lord, You're right!  But I said it first!


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In <3234B797.743A@superlink.net> "P.L."  writes:

! Derek Bell wrote:
! > 
! > qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
! > >Fuckhead.  The ruling class knows no holiday.  Neither does the working
! > >class.
! > 
! >         You seem inordinately fond of the word "fuckhead" (not to mention
! > "f\201ckhead").
! > 
! >         Derek
! > --
! > Derek Bell  dbell@maths.tcd.ie  WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html
! >         "Donuts - is there _anything_ they can't do?" - Homer Simpson
! 
! -- 
! 
!               ** Pesach Lattin **
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Donthead.


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In <51c6cf$s8i@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! considerable, and an aid to historical understanding. However, that access
! to data only makes Mr. Irving's attempts to distort, misrepresent,
! selectively quote, and outright lie about the data he has unearthed all
! the more monstrous. 

The truth hurts.

! (Still, it is reasonable to inquire whether one learns much about research
! methodology working in a steel mill.)

Your hatred of the working class has been noted.


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In <51d0pn$3cm@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:
Fuckhead.


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In <51c7t3$26o@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A Robards) writes:
Fuckhead.


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In <51c8si$t9a@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! >! > >Also, check the full header.
! >! 
! >! As I've posted elsewhere, there is nothing at all unusual about the
! >! Message-ID or the headers.
! >
! >I'm wrong.  I missed the news about the JAM remailer.
! 
! This is astonishing. After repeating the same lie at least thirty times,
! you're admitting you might have missed something?

Your accurate rebuttals were filled with your usual lying and hype.

! >! > Isn't it more likely an explanation of what Mortie's ex-buddies would be 
! >! > likely to do with him?
! >! 
! >! I don't consider either extreme at all likely. It's a troll. Ignore it.
! >
! >Good Lord, You're right!  But I said it first!
! 
! Did not.

Yes I did.  It was obviously a troll to intimidate moderates and the
overreaction by Milton Kleim was predictable.  You, however, took it
literally, blaming the victims for the hoax.  You certainly didn't
"ignore it."  Milton Kleim is a net god and the only ones who want to
hurt him are anti-racist scum like yourself.


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In <51c47k$ic5@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:

!     Not only was that post racist and incredibly sexist, the ideas there

Liar.  A real man and a real woman has several white children.

! were so ridiculous.  I'm 20 right now- and he's gonna tell me that I'm
! not a real man because I don't have several kids already?  WTFE.  I have
! no kids, because I was busy spending my teen years improving myself
! through things like education and extracurricular activities.  I put
! that ahead of trying to "sleep with the whole neighborhood" just to
! produce babies I would not be ready to care for in any way- and for that
! matter, no teenager is truly ready to have a child, IMO.

The average age of initial parenthood is 15.  Whites can accomplish that
too.


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In <51arar$7s5@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! > ! Tell me, Davey, who is an "enemy of the Race?"  I dare you.
!  
! > The anti-racists.  Names?  Edgar Bronfman, Alan Greenberg, Harry 
! > Oppenheimer, Rupert Murdoch, Jack Kemp, Ross Perot, Bill Gates, Bill 
! > Clinton, the Theriots, the LeFraks, etc., whom, in the course of their
! > self-imposed duties, have gone above and beyond in the ongoing genocide 
! > of the race. 
! 
! Tell me, Davey.  Now that you've identified these "enemies," please tell
! me WHY they are enemies?  What have they done to the White Race?  More 
! specifically, what actions have they engaged in, or what products have 
! they produced, which are not DESIRED by the White Race?

They control our society.

! The most ludicrous, and grotesque, concept within the "movement" is this 
! "formula":
! 
! Eliminate the Jews --> Solve the world's problems
! 
! This, of course, ignores the fact that the Aryans themselves VOLUNTARILY 
! embrace the television shows, the movies, the fashion, all the things the 
! "movement" loons claim is "genocide."  It's a prime illustration of 
! refusal to accept responsibility for one's own actions.  Blame SOMEONE,
! just not our own failings.

How irrelevent!  We are forced, we have no choice.  

! Certainly I don't believe these men Davey cites are the epitome of virtue,
! or produce products or engage in actions which are completely beneficial
! to society.  But _why_ are they in the positions they are?  Did they
! install themselves?  Or has the American People _allowed_ them to stay,
! and embrace what they say and do, and tell the masses to do?  Even were
! William Pierce installed as President tomorrow, and were he implement his
! "final solution," the Aryans of North America would not have changed one
! bit from their original character.  Nor would "education" or legislation
! modify their wants and desires.  THEY are corrupt (perhaps even
! biologically deficient), and if it weren't the Jews and other skilled and
! aggressive peoples providing them with their indulgent leisures, SOMEONE
! else would. 

Family life is to replace such sterilizing cultural influences as
television.

! > The white anti-racists can be reformed by stripping them 
! > of assets and a long stint of hard labor, while the People of Color 
! > will suffer to the degree of their lack of cooperation with the 
! > victorious racists. 
! 
! And what exactly will you do with the millions of Aryans who refuse to
! cooperate with your government when you tell them they can't watch Monday
! Night Football and have their suds in unlimited amounts while plopping
! their asses permanently on their sofas? 

What can they do but start enjoying life for a change?

! > ! > And how does the book violate free speech?  There's nothing crazy in it.
! > !                                               ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^
! 
! > Are you in touch with left oriented anti-racists such as presented
! > by People's Weekly World and Race Traitor, or, better yet, in person?
! > Hell, the mainstream of political thought has it that the race doesn't 
! > even exist.  We are dehumanized by the professional anti-racists.  
! > Check out the extremes of the anti-racists before dismissing the 
! > Turner Diaries as unreasonable, or an abuse of the republic.
! 
! We're not talking about anti-racists, Davey.  We're talking about Aryan
! racialists, specifically Dr. No.  You know, the people you claim are
! BETTER than the average American.

I'm talking about censorship.  The Turner Diaries is *moderate* compared
to *mainstream* garbage slyly advocating the extermination of the race.
We're so accustomed to the daily anti-racist propaganda pummeling down
on our faces, we tend to look at it as just another part of our
environment, and the contrary, such as The Turner Diaries, as extreme.
Looking at the big picture, the awesome power of our enemies, the Turner
Diaries look moderate.

! It is completely irrelevant, of course, to try to justify advocacy of
! murder and terrorism because "someone else" is, too.

Not in the slightest!  War is war.  They point the gun at our heads, we
shoot back.

! [some of the more extreme passages from _the Turner Diaries_ deleted for
! space]
! 
! > All mere acts of war justified by the circumstances as presented by the 
! > Turner Diaries. 
! 
! That sounds similar to what the American and British governments said
! after they slaughtered the innocents with nuclear and incendiary weapons
! at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, and Hamburg. 

The same excuse, different circumstances.

! I thought you said you were "different," Davey?
! 
! You know it's bullshit, Davey, to say that would be "just war." The last
! passage, about the complete obliteration of most life-forms on the Asian
! continent, is heinously callous, and completely unjustifiable.  It merely
! indicates a grotesque fantasy in the author's head.  Or what about
! murdering ALL Jews?  Are ALL of them guilty?  Of what? 

Our enemies respond to power and power only.  Whatever is needed to
establish racism as a nation.

! > We are not in a declared war, we are being exterminated by peaceful
! > means. 
! 
! Wrong.  The White Race is committing suicide.  We are being displaced and
! replaced by peoples more spiritually strong than us.

We are being murdered, by force of racial hatred, nothing else.  The 
*only* way to fight anti-white hatred is with *white* hatred.

! > They taught us in grade school that tactics are never absolute, that
! > pragmaticism is the way to succeed.
! 
! That the ends justify the means, no matter what the means are?

Yes, that is what people of color taught us.  It makes sense.  

! > ! As for jacking up the price over 100% overnight, well, what justified such
! > ! an increase, other than just pure greed?  
! 
! > What's wrong with raising funds?  
! 
! You don't get the point.  It is _unethical_ according to the supposed
! Aryan ethics the "movement" leaders follow.

Not that I've heard of.  I'd hope that a political organization I believe
in raises funds well, why not?

! > ! As I told Mike Boettcher and the NBC crew, I cannot and will not denounce
! > ! "racism," but I can and must denounce the hatred of the "movement."  The
! > ! difference between "racism" and hatred is that the former is a natural and
! > ! almost universally-held (yet almost universally-denied) sentiment; the
! > ! latter is a sentiment based on jealousy, ignorance, and just plain
! > ! stupidity. 
! 
! > Semantics.  
! 
! No it's not.  There is a difference of great proportion between racial
! preference, and racial hatred.  In order to succeed in the "movement," you
! must practice the latter.

What would a fight be without hatred?  Do you think the ruling powers do
not hate us?  Do not they want us dead?  It's ignorant to presume otherwise!

! --
! 
! http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748


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In <51c53o$ic5@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:

!     Who said Clinton was an anti-racist?

Better question:  Why do you think Bill Clinton is {non}racist?

! : The white anti-racists can be reformed by stripping them of assets and
! : a long stint of hard labor,
! 
!     Sorry, they're not in need of reform.
! 
! : while the People of Color will suffer to the degree of their lack of 
! : cooperation with the victorious racists. 
! 
!     No different than things are right now...

Huh?  People of color are on top of the white race in all cultural,
business and political affairs.  They won their campaign of terror
in the sixties and have continued their advances without a hitch.
Millions of white victims are a testament to that, millions of the
murdered, raped, cheated, genocidally tolerant white people, who
haven't yet learned to hate.

!     Mainstream political thought also has it that the non-White "races"
! don't exist.  There's no "double standard" (in quotes because there's
! more than two in this discussion) here, so stop whining.  And we've

Whites are also victimized when the $ystem proclaims that people of
color don't have a biological distiction from whites.  How are we 
supposed to hate our enemies when they don't exist?

! : All mere acts of war justified by the circumstances as presented by the 
! : Turner Diaries.  We are not in a declared war, we are being exterminated
! : by peaceful means. Reproduction is the first goal for racists.  We have
! : a lot to learn from People of Color.  They taught us in grade school 
! : that tactics are never absolute, that pragmaticism is the way to succeed.
! : Agreed.
! 
!     What bullshit!  The first goal in *anyone's* life should be education.

Why don't you sell that idea to Africa and Asia?  All white groups in 
the world are suffering genocidally low birth rates, all groups of color 
are breeding at high rates.  It's been postulated by liberals that 
education has a depressing effect on high birth rates, and their numbers
seem to bear that out.  We'd be happy to deport our anti-racist professors
to Africa and Asia to teach people of color to withhold their excessive 
reproduction from the world.  Ditto for our entertainment industry.
We whites have a lot of catching up to do in the bedroom!

! : Semantics.  Loving the race,
! 
!     Loving the "race?  Are you that hhard-up, that you have to love
! something that is purely a social construct?

Communal love is making a come back.  Consider the motif of soldiers
"loving" their community through group hatred.  We racists need that
sort of love and hate!

! : hating anti-racists, hating those who are not of the race, are all
! : racist, it's not a requirement to be all of that together.  Some would
! : even say that siring or bearing white children is racist, it's certainly
! : a birth war that we are collectively up against.
! 
!     I've *NEVER* heard that piece of nonsense before.  Where do you come
! up with this stuff?

Of course we're in a birth war.  All our social problems are caused by
shifting our family values over to sterilizing influences, such as
television, drugs, prostitution, business, and computers!  Those devices
don't necessarily need to be eliminated, but moderation is wanting.


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In <51cgvn$rnb@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> itta@ix.netcom.com(Anthony B. James) writes:

! hey dave, i thought you said you were a racist commie, now your a
! racist nazi? what next a conservative anarchist? c'mon man, make up
! your pea sized mind allready

Both nazi and communist.  Hitting the $ystem with both barrels.  
Conservative anarchism?  That sounds like libertarianism, great for most
of their views on personal single issues, decadent for their national and
economic vision.


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In  ljduchez@en.com (Lou Duchez) writes:

! > Once again, Rich Graves defends internet censorship.  His method is
! > to attack every attempt at raising a defense to censorship 
! > perpetrators.
! 
! Never mind that.  Please begin cataloging all his lies and, if possible,
! create a repostable summary of them.

That's thousands of posts a year!  I *do* intend to start a public
server, I'm learning now.  He'll be among the ones to archive.


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In <9b7cc$a1d7.84@news.comet.net> georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) writes:

! >! If you wish to argue the merits of greater free speech (Germany is 
! >! one of the most liberal states in the world in this regard, by the 
! >! way), you can do so. 
! >
! >Are you that deaf?  Germany is not a free nation.
! 
! Every bit as free as the USA.  In Germany I can see a police car
! come up from behind me without that sudden shock of fear.
! 
! There is no BATF breaking into people's homes.
! 
! You can buy a round trip airline ticket with cash without having
! the DEA "arrest" your cash.

The German government demands that everyone carry national ID
at all times under the penalty of imprisonment for failure to do
so.  We can certainly do without that "progress," can we?

Does Germany allow it's citizens to purchase firearms?  Why?
Because Germany has an unpopular government, that's why.
Unlike Germany in 1938, where citzens were allowed to carry
handguns under license, and long guns were deregulated.
Unfortunately, even the USA has stricter gun control laws
than Germany in 1938-1945, though citizens of 36 states have
won the right to carry handguns under license.  Some Eastern Europe
countries have liberalized their gun control laws allowing handgun
carrying under the ownership licenses.


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Subject: ?
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In <14SEP199610381352@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes:

! >They control our society.
! 
! >! This, of course, ignores the fact that the Aryans themselves VOLUNTARILY 
! >! embrace the television shows, the movies, the fashion, all the things the 
! >! "movement" loons claim is "genocide."  It's a prime illustration of 
! >! refusal to accept responsibility for one's own actions.  Blame SOMEONE,
! >! just not our own failings.
! > 
! >How irrelevent!  We are forced, we have no choice.  
! 
!     I know!  Last night I *wanted* to read some Goethe, but I was *forced*
!     to watch _Family Matters_ instead.  Yeah, Bill Clinton and Jesse
!     Jackson came over to my house, tore my Goethe from my hands, and sat me
!     in front of the TV set just in time for Herkel.  There was nothing I
!     could do; I was forced!

Don't you hate it when that happens?  I especially hate when they eat
all our donuts without asking.


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In <51c5g7$ic5@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:

! : You see what anti-racists do?  They deny our very existence as a 
! : people!  They do this to first dehumanize us so they can 
! : exterminate us.  Only racists can put a stop to the ongoing
! : genocide.
! 
!     That is pure bullshit.  Denying that a "race" exists is not denying
! *anyone's* existence you idiot.  It's fact.  As for dehumanizing you-

Whether you consider racism to be scientific or not, racism is undeniably
political, as is anti-racism.  Your postulation that we're a raceless
existence is akin to saying "racists don't exist."


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In <51ask8$ahq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) writes:

! >dismissing ordinary American-American s  with vile ad hominen labels.
! 
! like the label of "anti-semitism"?

It's about time to start wearing such labels with pride.


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In <32389e34.28828869@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:

So?  For a challenging book try Myth of the Twentieth Century by Alfred
Rosenberg, spiritially deeper than any of that Jew crap you mentioned 
before Re: Gustav Mahler, Steiner, James Levine, etc.


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In <519482$9a1@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! : Absolutely.  Re: Mr. Ferguson, wealthy Jamaican immigrant to the USA.
! 
! Since Colin Ferguson is, by his own admission, a racist, it's difficult
! to see your point.

Only whites can be racist.


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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! > Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is illegal in Germany.
! 
! If you were paying attention, you'd know that people who LIVE IN GERMANY
! have already disputed this stupid lie.

They have not, all they have claimed is that they were sure they can get a
copy, not that it is not contraband with the threat of imprisonment if
caught in possession.


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In <13SEP199620275715@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes:

!     I always found it puzzling how Milt could put together very persuasive
!     logical written arguments yet seem to fail to see fallacies within his
!     own logic.  I am still not quite sure whether he was blind to them or
!     knew of the fallacies.

And where was your praise of his nazism a few months ago?  Are you 
now going to admit that you lied about pretending that he was stupid?

Milton Kleim is trying to become a moderate racist.  I wish him
success, it's a hard fight.  Society's hatred of racists reaches 
it's epitomies with the moderates, it's practically illegal to be
a moderate racist.  But there's a new time for everything!


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In <517ia2$dmn@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! Too long. A few hours ago, the blocking ended, so Ingrid's wacky analysis 
! of how this is all a ZOG plot is moot.

Your consistent defence of censorship noted.  The mere fact that
censorship is evadable, never justifies the evil.  Would you make
the claim that there are no drug laws merely because it's easy to
evade the laws against possession?


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In <51argd$7sr@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! that I was not going to acquiesce to demands that I not admire Hitler.  It
! did not mean I _wanted_ 60 million dead; it meant the Jewish/"Holocaust"
! issue was irrelevant to me.  It was sheer callousness and arrogance to
! make such a statement.  Just as Lenin's or Stalin's slaughters mean little
! or nothing to fanatical Communists. 
! 
! Killing 60 million of ANYONE would serve no purpose whatsoever.  And
! killing without legitimate, just purpose is murder.  I do not believe
! 
! No man of virtue brutally slaughters helpless, innocent people.

That's your private opinion.  I disaprove of death sentences if efficient.
White criminals should be disciplined by a sentence of hard labor for
public projects.  People of Color should be sterilized before deportation.


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In <51av5m$8vk@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! WHY are you being such an ass, Rich?  Especially after being fairly decent
! in private mail.  At least you're illustrating I should never completely
! trust anyone I've never met.

Ah, ha!  Rich Graves strikes again!  He does it because it works.


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In <512nu7$4qb2@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

! :>Fckhead.
! 
! That's goos stuff, Skippy.  How did you get the umlaut through?  :-)

stty cs8 -istrip -parenb
setenv LANG C
setenv LC_CTYPE iso_8859_1

And when using telnet, remember to set it binary.


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In <323A1A0F.3AB6@ix.netcom.com> Skippy  writes:

You lost credibility a long time ago, chum.


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In <51auuv$8v8@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! > Yes, you've put some social distance between yourself from the trailer trash 

Joel Rosenberg's hatred of the working class noted.  

! Well, you're entitled to your opinion, and in my opinion, I think you're
! blinding yourself with ideology.  What's the point in continuing to hate
! (or at least dislike me)?  Do you have ANY friends who hold racist views?
! Do you look down upon them for it?  Do you confront them over it?

Nazis are your friends!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 16 18:39:23 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  skok@itw.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) writes:

! Well, our judiciary attempts to enforce our laws. You are free to
! call that witch hunting. However, my example still shows, that even
! a Nazi has to first break Danish law before running the risk of being 
! extradicted to Germany. 

The Danish anti-racist laws had been so seldem enforced, it was
formally postulated that Denmark was the only country in Europe that 
didn't suffer repression of racist political activity.  No longer, 
Denmark isn't free enough to tolerate dissent.

This shows the danger of dead letter laws in corrupt countries.  We've
got a similar threat in the USA re: abortion.  Most states make abortion
strictly illegal, however the state is prohibited from enforcing the
law on the strength of a national supreme court decision in 1973.  If this
court decision were to be disregarded, to seek an abortion in a state
such as Louisiana, would suddenly be prosecutable as conspiracy to murder, 
carrying a mandatory death sentence, or life imprisonment.


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In <518gkq$mvb@dscomsa.desy.de> poser@desy.de (Till Poser) writes:

! It is definitely not illegal to on "Mein Kampf" and other Nazi writings.
! 
! It is illegal to publish "Mein Kampf" and most other Nazi writings, but
! mostly due to copyright considerations. The Bavarian State Government
! as legal successor of the "Reichsschriftkammer" is the owner of the
! copyright to "Mein Kampf", and quite a few other Nazi writings. The BSG
! has not granted any publisher in Germany the right to reissue "Mein Kampf" 
! in its entirety. Actually, it has not given the right to publish MK in
! any language, so any newer edition is in effect bootleg, something that
! the BSG does rarely put too fine a point upon (dangling participle alert).

You have described a situation already pointed on, that the Bavarian
Government is enforcing censorship by way of the copyright law.
Regardless of the methods they choose, the fact is Mein Kampf by
Adolf Hitler is illegal in Germany, at least new copies are, and
entirely because of the political content of the book, a situation
forced on Germany by the Allies on starving Germany.  Who knows
how popular nazi books would be if Germany did not censor?  In any
case, there has only been one emotion that endorses censorship, and
that's fear, fear of the object of censorship, fear that the politics
outlawed may again become popular, there is no other reason.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 16 18:39:25 PDT 1996
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In <51eq9u$4cj2@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

! I admire you for having read _Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts_ all the way
! through.  I have the 1935 edition (Hoheneichen-Verlag), and have never been
! able to read it all the way through in one attempt.  I usually can't make more
! than a couple of chapters, at which time my eyes glaze over, and I have to
! stop.

There is the first edition in English available at all quality 
bookstores, or order it by name.  A work of genius.  

Did you like his idea about the size of cities?  A radical 
environmentalist!

They should translate the first edition of 1930.


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In <519hhm$m0f@netnews.upenn.edu> weinecks@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Silke-Maria  Weineck) writes:

! Ah, so you _do_ think that fellatio is Un-American? How, eh, new world of 

Why fellatio?  Why not the more satisfying natural sex?


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In <323c0e1a.1014849@192.168.2.1> stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve A) writes:

! >The German government demands that everyone carry national ID
! >at all times under the penalty of imprisonment for failure to do
! >so.  We can certainly do without that "progress," can we?
! 
! The German government is not alone. Most of Europe now carries ID
! compulsorily, and the UK is instituting voluntary ID cards, which
! I fully expect to become compulsory in the next 10 years.

This can be stopped.  As long as there is opposition, nothing can
be taken for granted as an unbeatable failure.

! In any event, I have found on my visits to the US that, while
! there may not be any legislative imperative for citizens to carry
! ID, it is impossible to get a drink in a bar without having to
! prove ID (and they didn't like my photo-less UK driving licence)
! even when you're obviously over ten years older than the minimum
! age to drink.

This is the practice by American business, no friends of liberty.
This practice can be stopped.

! Remind me: what is the annual rate of death by shooting in the US
! and in, say, Germany, the UK, France...?
! 
! Can you really stand there and say that allowing citizens to
! purchase firearms is a universally Good Thing?

Yes.  The only reason America has such a high crime rate with
firearms, is because we have firearms but are not allowed to use 
it for legimate purposes.  Arrogant politicians and law enforecement
prevent us from exercising our birth rights.  It is the government
that prevented the good people of Los Angeles from killing the
100,000 rioters in 1992, instead allowing the traitors to America 
to escape to the safety of jail.  And there could be millions of 
loyal Americans carrying firearms *encouraged* by the state to kill
murderers, rapists, pimps, dealer's, robbers, rioter's, etc., but it
certainly won't be *this* anti-racist state!


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In <51h5ak$1gj@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

!          For The First Time, A Civilized Nation Has Full Gun Registration!
!                Our Streets Will Be Safer, Our Police More Efficient,
!                 And The World Will Follow Our Lead Into The Future!"
!                                    Adolph Hitler
!                                         1935

As false a quote of Mr. Hitler as his "if a person has a drop of Jewish
blood in his veins, there will be a pure Jew each generation."  In other
words, a lie.


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In <51fnem$r78@netnews.upenn.edu> weinecks@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Silke-Maria  Weineck) writes:

! Let me hereby reassure you: I have been in possession of "Mein Kampf" 
! without imprisonment being a threat to me. Did you hear that? Please 
! acknowledge receipt of fact, thank you,

In Germany?  Openly?  They we have been lied to by the media monopoly
which has claimed that you would risk prison for owning a copy of
Mein Kampf.  Perhaps what they meant was introducing a new copy of
Mein Kampf into Germany, such as a single copy in luggage, that is
certainly illegal, I presume instant confiscation if not arrest.


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In <51fel8$t4n@netnews.upenn.edu> weinecks@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Silke-Maria  Weineck) writes:

! : Does Germany allow it's citizens to purchase firearms? 
! 
! Yes, so we can snip the nonsense below.

The restrictions on distribution and ownership are far to strict for
firearms to be considered truely legal in Germany.  It used to be in
1938-1945.


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In <6GvA2dIK36B@alnilam.toppoint.de> root@alnilam.toppoint.de (B.P.F. Kassler) writes:

! >Does Germany allow it's citizens to purchase firearms?  Why?
! Of course Germany allows it's citizens to purchase firearms.

Are you aware of the great restrtictions put on her citizens who
desire to own, say, a Glock 26, or a Remington 1100?  You cannot,
under the zillions of persnickery restrictions.

! Of course not every asshole may purchase a firearm.
! (That's the difference to the US regulations.)

The USA national law has a lifetime prohibition on firearm ownership
to those who have been convicted of any felony, has ever been under
involutary psychiatric observation, or is presently under the age of 
21, an alcoholic or drug addict, under the age of 18 for rifles or 
shotguns, etc., and the many state laws may go considerably stricter.  
This doesn't sound to me like "everybody."


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 17 10:22:11 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! # JDL was voted the #1 voice of Judaism.
! 
! When Meir Kahane, the person most closely associated with
! the positions of the JDL, ran in the Israeli elections, he got
! *one* seat in the Knesset, out of 120. 

So?  He was a mainstream voice as head of the Jewish Press in the 1970's.  
He lost support later, but not by his political views concerning hating Arabs.

! kurtzi is losing it. He's a desperate little nazi piece
! of crap. He probably cries every night "why, why wasn't
! I born 80 years ago in Berlin? Why did I miss all the fun?".

No, no, 80 years ago, your people were running the show.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 17 11:39:44 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <51ksge$44o@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! sentence and cutting to the chase:  how, Matt, did the Evil JOOS
! get us into WW I?

Are you that ignorant of how America got into World War I?


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 18 00:32:53 PDT 1996
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In <15SEP199621233971@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes:

!     determining the Jewishness of these people?  Moreover, which of the
!     several definitions of Jew are you using to label these people as
!     Jewish?  As you surely know, even rabbis debate who is and who isn't a

Adolf Hitler's My War describes the theory for determining who is Jewish.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 18 09:13:26 PDT 1996
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Subject: Anti-Racist Advocating Gun Violence
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In <323C8065.44A6@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

! Bet your farm and all of your cows...that if kurt stele...(tha wannabe 
! natsi) says it...it's lies, propaganda, or bad dreams. He's a simple 
! anti-Semite seeking any way at all to vomit his bigotry all over 
! everyone.
! My advise as a professional councilor to former natsis...is to use the 
! .38 other wise known as the five cent cure. But ya gotta be swift to 
! even do that right, which let's the likes of curt outta the picture.
! Chuck
! (and I'm serious)

Yet another anti-racist makes a vague threat against racists.


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In <323D44DA.1121@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

! kurt stele the natsy wannbe, keeps making up these phoney list of 
! various media he says is owned or operated by Jews. It's all balony, 
! but to kurt, it's a way to try and gain a little credibility. kurt is 
! a well established liar, fake, phony dummy. With a major mental 
! problem, and a one track mind!

This society isn't controlled by whites and that's the fact.


From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep 19 07:41:28 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: USS Liberty: Relevance to Alt.Revisionism
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In  rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

! > The reason why the USS Liberty and Qana are relevant to alt.revisionism is
! > because Jews are always complaining about disputed atrocities committed by
! > the Nazis. Yet -they- commit undisputed atrocities against other people
! > (which they call "mistakes" to conceal them).
! 
! Whatever atrocities you may perceive the Jooish Conspiracy (tm) to have
! committed, they really do not negate the FACT (as opposed to delusion,
! something with which you seem intimately familiar) that your impotent
! posterboy for hate, Hitler, and his Nazi throng, systematically set out to
! exterminate more than 6 million people, including Jews, Homosexuals,
! politicial prisoners (some of whom were imprisoned for taking it upon
! themselves to speak freely, I suppose), Gypsies, and any other
! undesireable who didnt fit with the beady eyed, flatulent little troll

Yes, of course, we all know that Mr. Hitler bombed the USS Liberty,
and bombing Arabs, anyone who denies that is an apologist for nazism.


From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep 19 08:18:19 PDT 1996
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In  rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

[BS deleted]

Why do you hate Jews?  Is this such a problem with Asians?


From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep 19 08:18:20 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

! > It is sort like of the dilemma that was faced by Western European Jews 
! > not many decades ago.  Accepting Eastern European Jews meant accepting their
! > superstitions and their body lice.  Accepting diversity meant accepting both
! > without comment much less condemnation.  Could they be washed and sanitized to
! > participate in Western European life?  
! > 
! > After all, the US never did get over Castro's first official visit when 
! > he tried to get room service to send live chickens to his room.  
! 
! Of course it gets worse - not only are you a troll, but you are a troll
! who resorts to continual lies, harassment, threats, and general
! prevarication in an attempt to deny what you know to be truth - you,
! little man, are completely devoid of anything resembling decency,
! morality, and integrity.

You are a selfish Asian. 


From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep 19 08:18:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Matt The Giwerdly Lie'n: Coward, blowhard, liar
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In <51fr6l$8h1@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

!      "Right on, fat broad.  Do you have do clean up McVay with your lips 
!         also? What a stupid and fat broad.  If you are interested in the 
!      dictionary it is right there before fatbroad.  The only way you got 
!        your title is by laying McVay and you know it.  You have no other 
!     qualifications.  You contribute nothing.  You accept only sperm from 
!        a thing." (Matt Giwer, at the height of vulgarity, June 22, 1996)
! 
! 
! In article , 
! joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
! 
! [a notorious, self-confessed liar, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com, said]
! 
!              "Then why did Ken McVay call them?  "
! 
! [...]
! 
! >Silly giwer.  
! 
! "Lying Giwer" is more like it.  Telephone companies provide
! services to those being harrassed via their equipment, as this
! self-confessed liar claims to be. The use of such equipment
! for that sort of thing is against the law. All our Giwerdly
! Lie'n need do is contact his telephone company, inform them
! that he is being "harrassed," and file a complaint with the
! police department.
! 
! Mr. Giwer will not do that, of course, because he is not being
! harrassed by Ken McVay, and filing any sort of complaint with
! either the telco or the local police will establish that beyond
! question within seconds.
! 
! The Giwerdly Lie'n knows that, and that is why he won't do it.
! The Giwerdly Lie'n is lying - again. Professionaly finished,
! spurned by colleagues, and beset by a dependency he can't deal
! with, he has descended to a display of public depravity
! seldom seen on the net. No vulgarity, no insult, do depravity
! is too low or too crude for Mr. Giwer. 
! 
! Insulting 9-year-old autristic children is nothing to this
! rude fellow; insulting adults with the crudest of vulgarities
! means nothing to this degenerate individual. No insult is too
! gross, no lie too great - not for Matthias Giwer.
! 
! This is, of course, what we have come to expect from this
! sorry individual, who has become notorious on the Internet for
! his lies, abuse of the net, and his vulgar insults.
! 
! While Mr. Giwer may be relatively immune to civil suit - he has no 
! assets worth taking, according to those whose business it is to 
! know such things - he is most certainly not immune to felony statutes.
! 
! Mr. Giwer would be wise, I think, to desist from his present
! course of action, which sees him hurling specious and defamatory 
! nonsense hither and yon, and seek help for his condition.
! 
! To make his absolute corruption in this matter clear, I once again 
! challenge him to put up, or shut up. 
! 
!      Contact the local police, Mr. Giwer. Tell them that Ken McVay 
!      is harrassing you by telephone, and produce your evidence. Go 
!      ahead, Mr. Giwer - I have about 20 years to wait while you 
!      bluster and vomit your excuses once again. (Should they wish to 
!      speak to me, have them contact the Attorney General of British 
!      Columbia, the Honorable Ujjal Dosanjh, c/o Parliament Buildings, 
!      Victoria, British Columbia. He can tell them how how to contact 
!      me.)
! 
! Will Mr. Giwer do this? No, he will not. Why is that, you say?
! Because Mr. Giwer is a liar and a coward;  and, of course, as far 
! as I can determine, a troller whose only interest is in causing fights.  
! 
! While he can sound superficially plausible, he has lied about what has 
! been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to 
! document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented 
! refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him), 
! engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such 
! complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there seems 
! to be no point in taking the time to read and respond.  For detailed 
! and documented evidence of this, please refer to
! 
! http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/
! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
! http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/email/
! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/net-abuse/
! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/plagarized-01.html
! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/thousand-dollar-wager.html
! http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
! 
! Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer's special 
! newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be appropriately 
! ignored. If your site does not carry alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,
! redirect non-Holocaust articles to alt.politics.white-power,
! an equally vapid dumping ground for besotted Giwerundian vomitus.
! 
! -- 
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From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep 19 08:18:21 PDT 1996
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In  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

! In article <51in9e$ms9@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu
! (william c anderson) wrote:
! 
! > Turiyan gold (adscapes@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
! > : Its interesting to see Matt here on the internet.  He as almost
! > : completley dissapeared from Fidonet....
! > 
! > He was toaded out of Fidonet. That's what his modus operandus has 
! > always been--he disrupts newsgroups for his own amusement, violating
! > the policies in place and making a jackass out of himself until he
! > gets booted. Unfortunately, he has landed on usenet, where's there's
! > nobody to deliver him...
! 
! Life's rough sometimes. 
! 
! > ...so he has no choice but to keep making himself look foolish until somebody 
! > comes up with a convenient out for him.
! 
! Oh, that's easy enough. He can claim he got a job and can't spend time on
! the internet anymore.... 
! 
! Or, he can go on an extended camping trip, get ate by a bear and shit off
! a cliff. That'd be an acceptable excuse too. 
! 
! Mark
! 
! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
! "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
! not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
! right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
! 
! -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From qut@netcom.com Thu Sep 19 08:18:22 PDT 1996
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In <51in9e$ms9@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Turiyan gold (adscapes@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
! : Its interesting to see Matt here on the internet.  He as almost
! : completley dissapeared from Fidonet....
! 
! He was toaded out of Fidonet. That's what his modus operandus has 
! always been--he disrupts newsgroups for his own amusement, violating
! the policies in place and making a jackass out of himself until he
! gets booted. Unfortunately, he has landed on usenet, where's there's
! nobody to deliver him, so he has no choice but to keep making himself
! look foolish until somebody comes up with a convenient out for him.
! 
! Bill


From qut@netcom.com Fri Sep 20 01:16:07 PDT 1996
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! Dave Harman, a McVay FLUNKY?!?
!  
! Sara

I only wish they'd pay us more, babe.


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In  ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
Thanx.


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In <842892746snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

! In article <51hmli$69s@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>
!            loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean "Jean A Robards" writes:
!  
! >    He only killed six million worthless kikes.Not enough.
! 
! Thank you Mr Robards. Or should that be Cohen?

He said it first, himself.


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In <21SEP199612035126@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes:

! >## How about white Europeans who have adopted Islam or Buddhism?
! >## Can they stay?
! > 
! ># Yes.
! 
!     And what about the white Europeans who have adopted Judaism?  Can they
!     stay?  What about the ones who adopted it several generations ago?

There aren't any.


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In  map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de (Martin Paegert) writes:

! > At least 50000 thousand have acquired Danish citizensship the last two 
! > decades. This makes another per cent.
! 
! So 1 % in 20 years does make you tremble and talk about an "invasion" ?

Good Europeans support a strong Denmark, not a Denmark weakened by 
anti-racism.


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In <3240ff54.3407601@192.168.2.1> stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve A) writes:

! Note that those of us opposed to the proliferation of deadly
! weapons on our streets are now "fearful" of guns.
! 
! I wonder if the parents of sixteen dead kids in Dunblane are
! "fearful" of guns. I should bloody well hope so - anything that
! killed a child of mine would be cause for concern.

Restrictions on firearms kill many thousands every year, including the 
sixteen children you refer to.  Good people want good people armed.


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In <523ubi$ndb@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! In article , 
! schwartz@infinet.com inadvertantly gave up the hoax when she
! wrote:
! 
! >"In this fascinating real-life detective story, forensic expert and
! >physiciain Hugh Thomas uses new evidence to prove that Adolf Hitler was
! >murdered in the Nerlin bunker whole his mistress Eva Braun excaped.
! 
! Hah! Gotcha, holohugger. Nerlin? NERLIN? If forensics "experts" can't 
! agree on the name of the city, it clearly did not exist.
! 
! Astute "revisionist scholars" will quickly point out the obvious - 
! there could have been no Holocaust if there was no German capital.
! 
! Go ahead, Salzman - show me a Nerlin, just ONE Nerlin!
! 
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Ken McVay once again shows how justified the position of the Jews.


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     In 1988, speaking at a conference on Group Defamation and the 
     Freedom of Speech, keynote guest Elie Wiesel urges that freedom of 
     speech and inquiry on the Holocaust be proscribed.  Wiesel called 
     revisionists "the most despicable of our enemies," and claimed
     that French historian Dr. Robert Faurrison was "haunting" and 
     "persecuting" him.

     When Wiesel was asked if his admonition to every Jew to maintain
     "a zone of hate --- healthy, virile hate --- for what the German 
     personifies and for what persists in the German" might qualify as 
     "group defamation," conference organizer Monroe Freedman 
     intervened to denounce the question as anti-semitic.


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TRAGEDY ON THE SOMME 
A Second Balaclava 
By Eric Margolis 8 July 1996 
  
LONDON - Eighty years ago this week, in the midst of World 
War I, one of this century's epic tragedies began. 
  
The war on the western front had become a gigantic siege 
between the deeply entrenched adversaries.  The Germans were 
bleeding France to death in the terrible meatgrinder of 
Verdun.  The French desperately begged Britain to relieve 
imperiled Verdun.  And so the Imperial British and French 
commanders, Sir Douglas Haig and Marshall Joffre, agreed to 
open a second major front to the west, along the banks of 
the gently winding Somme River. 
  
For six days, thousands of massed British and French heavy 
guns, fed round the clock by munition trains, had poured 1.6 
million shells onto the deeply echeloned German trench lines 
on the Somme.  British generals promised their men that 
nothing could survive this, the heaviest artillery 
bombardment in history. 
  
Just before 7:30 AM, on Monday, July 1, 1916, British 
sappers fired two enormous mines, containing 200,000 lbs of 
high explosives, under German lines.  The explosions tore 
gaping holes in the German trenches, and were heard as far 
away as London. 
  
Then whistles blew and bagpipes skirrled all along the 
British line.  The finest army ever assembled by the British 
Empire went over the top. 
  
Many were volunteers:  The rich cream of English society 
>from  Oxford and Cambridge;  miner's sons from Wales and 
Yorkshire;  lads from Belfast's slums;  sturdy Devon farm 
boys;  and the 'Pals', groups of friends and sports teams 
who had enlisted under the promise of being kept together in 
the army units.  And beside them, Imperial troops from 
across the vast British Empire sharpened their bayonets, 
khukris, scimitars and kirpans. 
  
The British commander, Sir Henry Rawlinson, was so certain 
there would be no German resistance he ordered his troops to 
march forward in parade formation.  Running over ground torn 
up by shellfire, Rawlinson feared, would disrupt formations 
and tire the men.  Once German lines had been seized, massed 
Imperial cavalry divisions, that included even the fabled 
Bengal Lancers and the Frontier Scouts from the Khyber Pass, 
waited to pour through the breach and pursue the fleeing 
Germans back to the Rhine. 
  
But the Germans were neither all dead, nor demoralized.  
Most survived the 6-day avalanche of shells in deep concrete 
shelters.  Soldiers of a lesser nation might have run for 
their lives, or gone into shell shock after the hellish 
ordeal.  Not the valiant Germans.  They surfaced, set up 
their machine guns on prepared platforms, and poured fire 
into the packed ranks of the British, who were advancing 
ponderously in tight formation across no man's land. 
  
Somehow, much German barbed wire had also survived the 
bombardment.  As the British became entangled in the thick 
belts of rusted wire, sheets of bullets from German Maxim 
machine guns massacred their battalions and companies.  
Though falling by the thousands, the gallant British 
continued their hopeless advance - a Balaclava writ large. 
  
Gen. Rawlinson, horrified by the German riposte, thought of 
calling off the attack.  His superior, Haig, demanded the 
assault continue. 
  
This sunny morning on the Somme was the worst moment in 
British history.  Brigade after brigade was ground to a 
bloody pulp.  Whole units of 'Pals' died, together in the 
end.  German machine guns grew red hot.  British shells fell 
short among advancing Imperial troops.  The slaughter 
continued into the evening. 
  
A few heroic British units managed to reach the enemy's 
trenches and storm the concrete blockhouses and fortified 
villages defending German lines.  But the redoubtable 
Germans launched fierce, co-ordinated counter-attacks that 
drove the British back. 
  
On the first day of the Somme, the British lost 19,240 dead, 
35,494 seriously wounded, and 2,152 missing:  57,470 
casualties in total.  The Ulster Division, which assailed 
the heavily fortified German right, alone lost 5,600 men 
that day, most before noon. 
  
The experienced French, attacking on the left, ran forward 
in open skirmishing formation, suffered lighter casualties, 
and took the lightly-manned German trenches.  But they were 
forced to fall back when the British attack failed. 
  
Refusing to accept defeat, Haig continued the slaughter on 
the Somme for four more months.  When he finally gave up, in 
November, 1916, the Allies had gained a pitiful 125 square 
miles of bloody mud from the Germans at a cost of 600,000 
men:  400,000 British Imperial, and 200,000 French 
casualties.  The Germans suffered 450,000 casualties.  At 
Verdun, 1.2 million men were lost on both sides. 
  
The Somme - and Verdun - were the two greatest military 
follies of the 20th Century.  In both titanic battles, 
military technology had far exceeded the general's 19th 
Century military intellect.  In both battles, the flower of 
German, British and French society were cut down, robbing 
these nations of their future.  Today, France has still not 
recovered from the monumental losses at Verdun.  Thirty 
years - one generation - after the Somme, the British Empire 
collapsed. 
  
This is far more than dusty history.  Though nearly in the 
21st Century, we still have not escaped the lingering 
British propaganda that Germany was alone guilty for World 
War I.  The ensuing post-war humiliation and economic ruin 
of Germany led directly to Hitler, and World War II.  Events 
of 1914-1918 still shape our world. 
  
The Somme battlefield, with its grim constellation of 
military cemeteries, stand as silent warnings of the dangers 
of blind nationalism and military incompetence. 


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National Socialism was pioneered in one nation and lasted a mere 12 years. 
Never before in history has any such brief period excited as much attention, 
fear, loathing, admiration, terror, love, hate, and wonderment.  World War II
lasted just under 7 years, a ludicrously minute fraction of the accumulated 
periods of warfare of the Christian states over two millenia, with all the 
agony and suffering of the Aryan peoples entailed by popes and bishops and 
church officials of all stripes and hues, over doctrinal minutiae, obscure 
scriptural interpretations, and over power struggles between competing 
priesthoods. 
  
The suggestion that the event of the 1945 defeat consigns National Socialism 
to oblivion is as absurd as the suggestion that the crucifixion eliminated 
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In  ae494@freenet.durham.org (MICHAEL SMITH) writes:

! I'm curious, people here seem to have beliefs they are willing to defend
! and/or insult others who do not agree with, yet none of them properly
! explain why they believe what they believe.  Do they believe based
! on personal experiences of one sort or another, things they read,
! discusses and deduced by themselves, things they were taught or
! merely a desire to conform to their peers apparant beliefs.  I'm
! just curious, for my own information.  Could someone respond
! to this or Email, I don't care.  I would really like to know
! how individuals come to accept and believe certain ideologies.

Anti-racists do it because of their lazy belief system that follows
the system wherever it goes.  Conformity, in other words.


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In  skok@itw.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) writes:

! Oh, but if handguns had been freely available, they would
! have been cheaper (by decree of the almighty free market).

Who needs the free market?  A patriotic government is more than capable
of freely issuing firearms for stated intents and purposes to kill bad
people.  Think of how many gang members and immigrants could have been 
killed in the race riots of 1992!  A real government rather than the 
corporate montrosities of every government extant.


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An unarmed people is a secure people.


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In <523ldb$avj@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Rich Graves) writes:

! To George, and other dinosaurs of hate lurking in the shadows of this
! more enlightened age:

I happy you took my advice on choosing a Jewish woman.  Too many Jews
have chosen Gentile women, not in consideration of the different 
cultures.  Congrats on your new found love!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 07:46:00 PDT 1996
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Jews are no more interested in power than whites.


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In <5245fm$34c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

Get your FREE copy today, of bitching and moaning page:

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 07:46:01 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: David Irving: Where are the tapes?
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In <524brb$bl5@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Lurch Graves) writes:

! I would still like copies of the original, unedited audio and video tapes
! taken by Mr. Irving's friends at his appearance in Oakland. I believe it
! would be unfair of me to call Mr. Irving a despicable liar without this
! third-party documentation of what was really said, in full context.

You've lost all credibility a long time ago.  You can name call, so what?


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In <524bgt$bjo@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Skippy) writes:

! Lotsa luck, Lynn, I mean, Evelyn (sorry, the 'literation got to me). Free
! speech cuts both ways, dumbass. If the Alpha and GeoCities sites go down,
! I'm sure someone will post a new URL. Hey, maybe Dave Harman will post it
! to Usenet. How 'bout it, Dave?

So you now oppose copyright laws?  Great!  I'll be posting some Jew
stuff.

! Watch for translations of the Turner Diaries to other languages at:
! 
!  http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/

Your lame parody proving your lack of writing skills.

Protecting the integrity of the work is what copyright laws are for!

! Still looking for:
! 
! Prerelease draft of the National Vanguard magazine (we have the Bulletin).
! Bootleg copies of David Irving speeches. $200 reward for unedited audio
!  and video tape of the Oakland appearance.
! Digitized versions of chapters 10-17, 38-41 of _Goebbels_.
! Volunteers to sponsor "Race and Reason" and "Another Voice of Freedom" on
!  local public access cable systems.
! National Alliance financial report.
! Members for the Santa Clara Unit. :-) [Heh heh. Beavis, he said "Unit."]
! Bulk CD-ROM production facilities.

Uh huh, gutless one, your not a risk taker, just a liar.  And you should 
be kicked out of the NA.

! All active National Alliance members remember:
! 
! NO MORE TELEPHONE ORDERS

You also should quit peeing in the sandbox.


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In <51nl4k$i8s@news1.io.org> alec@gryn.org writes:

! Interesting Fiction.
! 
! Otherwise.
! 
! Idiotic repetition.

Is the Talmud that bad?


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In <52132s$ev0@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
!   
! >  "Anti-Semitism" is not a criminal offence in Britain. Yet. Which is just as
! >  well as according to the ADL, 20% of the adult population would be in gaol.
! >  Re the other allegations, I suggest you come to the trial - which will be a
! >  purely civil affair, and the trial of the century.
! 
! 	Lyin' Al now repeats one of his favorite lies.
! 
! 	He has been asked in the past to substantiate this lie by citing a single 
! ALD report, statement, letter, or position paper in which it can be found.
! 
! 	He could not.
! 
! 	--YFE


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In <32444F29.425A@unb.ca> Keith Morrison  writes:
Fckhead.


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    1. There is no United States of America. We are under world 
    government and have been for many years. The U. S. 
    Government so-called is only a Regional government that 
    supports the whole. All the governments of the world went 
    onto a monetized debt system long ago. 
     
    2. There is no such thing as a United States Constitution. 
    It is only a myth.  This should be obvious, but the people 
    love delusions. 
     
    3. We do not live in a "Christian Nation."  There is no such 
    thing as a Christian Nation. The words are opposite. 
    Christianity refers to individual belief; a nation is a 
    collection of people. We live in an anti-racist mind control 
    State with the priveleged class in control of the wealth and 
    the government. 
     
    4. Communism is a myth applied to Russia. Russia is only a 
    boogy enemy used to hold fear over the American people and 
    the rest of the world. Russia uses the monetized debt system 
    as the United States and the rest of the world, though they 
    are supposed to be the second largest gold producers in the 
    world. It's business as usual for all the multinational 
    banks in Moscow and with "Communism." 
     
    5  We have no law or legal system. It is a sham. The law 
    so-called is for the people, not for the privileged class. 
    The law in America is what anti-racist judges say that it is. 
    But you must believe that there is "the law." 
     
    6. The American people have no money. They only have pieces 
    of paper and figures in banks. They have only monetized debt 
    that they think is money. You cannot pay a debt with a debt 
    and the Government admits this in the Don E. Williams versus 
    U. S. Government case. Under a monetized debt system the 
    Government owns EVERYTHING in fact. They take possession 
    regularly by expropriation through credit. We only live in 
    temporary possession of wealth and property. Patient 
    gradualism makes the scheme acceptable and imperceptible. 
     
    7. The Government is not in debt. There can be no debt if 
    there is no money, and the Government takes what it wants 
    with monetized debt. It is just the reverse. The Government 
    only allows us to "own" property through social credit. As 
    stated above the Government expropriates at will but with 
    guided control through regulation of consumption called 
    taxes. The illusion of taxes seems real because regulation 
    of consumption gives one the feeling that he is "paying" 
    something. 
     
    8. The Government spends nothing for defense or anything 
    else. They only issue credit/monetized debt. They take what 
    they want. They give or pay nothing for anything. Come, 
    let's reason together. If you had a printing press would you 
    "pay" for anything or"owe" anything? They just issue permits 
    called "Dollars" for us to rob other victims. We rob each 
    other. How does the scheme work without the people knowing? 
    One word - regulation, which the people believe is taxation. 
     
    9. We have no freedom of religion in an organized or formal 
    sense. We have a State religion which is anti-racism, 
    Christianity being a hodge podge of cults which have 
    prostituted themselves to support World Government through 
    the "Christian" propaganda called the Kingdom Message. Our 
    conscience is imposed upon by all radio, newspapers and 
    political pronouncements. The Christian faith is reserved to 
    the "elect" who have not been deceived by the great 
    religious whore owned by the State. 
     
    Now hear this!! What about the recent furor about IRS 
    harassment and "taxation" and reporting requirements of 
    churches? They are only regulating their own religious 
    prostitutes, who deserve it. The Government cannot be in 
    conflict with its own religious system. This is a joke, but 
    like everything else the patriots and Fundamentalists are 
    crying "Constitution" and "Freedom of Religion" violations. 
    (Read the Prologue to *The Union Jack.*) 
    They created the religious Baal system and 
    they "persecute" it the more to deceive you and the more to 
    cause the State controlled religious system to grow. 
     
    What is the truth? Christianity cannot be taxed or 
    controlled or made to "report." It is individual and 
    personal faith and cannot be plucked from the hearts of 
    believers by any power on earth. 
     
    Patriots fall into treason because they love not the Word of 
    God and things of the spirit. 
     
    10. If the American people did live in a "Democracy" they 
    would not be free. Democracy is the rule of the rabble and 
    our forefathers knew this. Today in America we have an
    anti-racist Government which is subservient to capitalist World 
    Government. You don't believe it? Take a count of all the 
    anti-racist global minded capitalists in your Government and 
    never mind their political label. 
     
    11. The American people believe that there is a threat to 
    their freedoms. They don't have any and they only imagine 
    that they do. Their"freedoms" are what the Government says 
    they are. The people refuse to believe what is obvious. They 
    are oblivious to the obvious. 
     
    12. The Government does not need tax money to run the 
    Government. We have already said that they expropriate (take 
    or steal) everything with credit. But the Government does 
    need the tax sham to cover their theft of property and 
    wealth. If you are "paying taxes" then there must be some 
    need to do so - so thinks the unthinking mind. 
     
    13. The American people believe that the world is over 
    populated because of the great propaganda of the Government 
    and some of the religious reprobates. The Government creates 
    wars and famines and disease and abortion to reduce 
    population. For their system of credit theft to continue 
    they must reduce consumption by the people (but not by 
    them). What better way than reduce the population? 
     
    14. Wars are not for profit of Government. Though industry 
    and big business does profit greatly, wars are to kill 
    people and population control. Population control in China 
    today is supervised by none other than the U. S. Government. 
     
    15. Prices are not inflation. Prices are the result of 
    inflating. Inflation is the "money" you have in your pocket. 
    A better word for Federal Reserve Notes is theft notes. 
    Theft notes are inflation and"loans" created by commercial 
    banks. These notes are certificates of guaranteed 
    confiscation! 
     
    16. The American people believe that they have the truth. Do 
    you? 
     
    In summary, do you see why we still have guns? They have our 
    minds and therefore the control of our guns. It is quite 
    simple. 
     
    Making the people believe in the above myths is a system of 
    State control. They desire that you believe that you still 
    have a Constitution, otherwise you might get upset and think 
    nongovernment thoughts. 
     
    The truth is that we live under the law of the jungle. Only the 
    awakened Christian can see his relationship to Caesar's 
    depotism. Depressing, you say? Not at all! What could be 
    more depressing than to live under a lie and a delusion? On 
    the contrary, what can be more liberating than to get on 
    with life and total freedom from thought control. 
     
    If you are under the myths of the thought police you are no 
    better off than the crowd. If you have the truth as it 
    really is, you are not limited by the mental shackles of the 
    zombie. You have a great advantage over the crowd and even 
    Caesar's privileged class. 
     
    Sing in your heart, "Onward Christian Soldiers . . ."  


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In <525b70$1902@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> dswan@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Daniel Swan) writes:

! 1.  Is Fascism inherently Racist?

No.

! (And if not, what main doctrinal components remain after Racism
! has been factored out?)

Garbage.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 13:03:17 PDT 1996
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Jews don't like to be the center of attention.


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It's easier to be a racist than an anti-racist.


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A hateful man can't be a loving man.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 13:03:19 PDT 1996
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! As a method of putting the plan into operation, the author suggests the
! destruction of morality, the abolition of home and family, the selective
! extermination of any person of higher ability, or talent and so forth.
! ..
! The thirst for culture is an aristocratic thirst.  The moment you have
! family ties or lives, you get the desire for property.  We'll destroy that
! desire;  we'll make use of drunkenness, slander, spying;  we'll make use of
! incredible corruption;  we'll stifle every genius in its infancy. . . "
! 
! Sounds familiar?  Just watch the daytime "Trash Family Life" TV shows where
! every perversion possible is paraded as "normal" and buckets of filth are
! poured non-stop into the minds of people in the Western world, most of whom
! do not even have a memory of clean homes and safe streets.  That's
! systematic, well-conceived and implemented hatred.  I often think it is a
! kind of hatred against what Western man has built, perfected, loved and
! cherished over millennia that CAN't be of this world.

Exactly.  Western civilization is racist to the core.  That's why the
people of colour want to kill us all. 

! In France, it seems, the danger of the "New World Order" threat is now
! perceived with clarity - both as to origin and as to consequences.
! Somewhere I read that Le Pen's Nationalist sentiments are now endorsed, at
! least informally as shown by polls, by 51% of the French populace.  Wish I
! could say that of America.

A supermajority of Americans have opposed the measures of the anti-racist 
1965 Immigration Act from then to now.  We've been suffering as a people
for a long time.

! "The death of an individual is a tragedy.  The death of a million is a
! statistic."
! 
! (Joseph Stalin)


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In <32466883.17938682@news.srv.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

! So, Aryans got better ear wax?

Yes.

! --
!  John Morris                               
!  at University of Alberta     
! -- 
! The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Israeli attack on the Liberty was cold blooded murder.
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! I was born in America.
! My father was born in America.
! That, I suppose, makes me second-generation American.
! My religion is not a part of what does or does not make me an American.
! I am an American by birth and by descent.

By our laws, but your kind think's your race is better than us.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 13:03:21 PDT 1996
Article: 68068 of alt.revisionism
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A proven method of preventing war is the reduction of national sovereignty.


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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 14:08:11 PDT 1996
Article: 68079 of alt.revisionism
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In <307_9609230726@tor250.org> alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) writes:

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From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 14:08:12 PDT 1996
Article: 68082 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Fuckhead
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In <5255ra$ho3@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Matt  Giwer (mgiwer@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
! : ========
! : 
! : Indignation of an Israeli Writer: Ari Shavit
! 
! But Matt--I thought JOOS all agreed on everything.
! 
! : Ari Shavit/Haaretz/New York Times Syndication. Ari Shavit is a writer and
! : columnist of the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. He lives in Jerusalem. 
! : (Translated from Hebrew in "Liberation" of May 21, 1996
! 
! But Matt--I thought Israelis didn't speak Hebrew...
! 
! 
! Bill
Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 14:58:16 PDT 1996
Article: 68091 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: "White Trash", the scapegoats of the American antiracists.
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In <524p5i$2ok_002@vip.best.com> tor@best.com (Tor Slettnes) writes:

! White trash may be the weakest intellectually, but are in no way afraid 
! of using physical power against other groups that have a weaker position 
! in society.

Poor white people are the most hated and weakest people in the world.
We are the most enslaved people.  We are more than justified in hating 
the Africans and Asians who want to kill us.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 14:58:17 PDT 1996
Article: 68093 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: William Pierce: Hate for Profit
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In <5257a2$ho3@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Dave Harman OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! 
! : So you now oppose copyright laws?  Great!  I'll be posting some Jew
! : stuff.
! 
! Better be careful with that, Dave Harman OBC--recent litigation 
! has assigned all rights to "Jew Stuff" to the Hibernian 
! Occupation Government.  We don't mess around, Dave Harman OBC--
! we'll play bagpipes on your lawn all night long, if necessary.

Apologies.  Hibernians kick ass.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 14:58:18 PDT 1996
Article: 68099 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: ?
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In <51prpb$cu7@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! 	Most of the people killing each other are criminals 
!       killing off criminals.  Who cares?

We do.  Criminals should be killed by good people, not other criminals.
Also, there's sizable chunks of the legal code that should be sent to 
/dev/null, before considering them truly criminal.  Smoking crack or
stealing from stores to feed a starving family is not truly criminal 
in this criminal of societies.  True crimes are crimes against the 
whole society, such as lying to the public from a government or
corporate platform, unapproved international trade and more specific
efforts to undermine sovereignty.  Petty crimes are crimes too, but to
a far less of a degree.  Consider the frequency, of say, a white woman
being raped.  An individual rape is bad enough, but isn't it even worse 
that the leaders of our society actually promote rape?  A single 
anti-racist movie like "Mississippi Burning" or "Pocahontas" probably
causes more rapes than the worst of the serial rapists on an 
individual level.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 15:39:46 PDT 1996
Article: 75957 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Jews Are Popular
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In <51v3mr$2gk@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Rich Graves) writes:

!    Many Americans, even "respectable" ones like Henry Ford and Charles
!    Lindbergh, were nearly as racist and anti-Semitic as the Nazi
!    leadership. The difference was that they didn't have absolute power or
!    as strong a "national security emergency" excuse.

The default position for America is to be pro-Jewish and this has been
true for over a century.  When Henry Ford claims to have been fond of
Jews there is no reason to call him a liar.  In his series "The 
International Jew," he gives many examples of how American Jews were 
being viciously exploited by rich Jews, and ideas on how to free Jews
>from  slavery.  He did not exagerate, the scumbags like the wealthy
Jewish owner of the Triangle Shirt factory, who was so mean, he
essentially murdered hundreds of impoverished Jews by locking them in
his burning factory because he didn't want them to get fresh air.  Yes,
in America, pogroms were set by the rich, and were not recognized as 
enemies by Jews, simply because they were Jews, and used to always
believing what they were told.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 15:49:09 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Pollard And The Traitors Who Support Him With Silence
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In <51vpfh$bab@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:

! 	You may have wondered why jews support the traitor Pollard.  
! 
! 	That is because he is a Jew and they are jews and american 
!       jews who support either are scum jew traitors.
! 
! 	But then, why be redundant.  I said they were jews. 
! 
! 	And not one Jew has spoken against any of them.  
! 
! 	They do stick together.  

Caution lest he be judged by the company he keeps.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 17:16:45 PDT 1996
Article: 68126 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: ?
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In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:

! I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want to
! deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the same way

Anti-racists want to kill me, you, your children, my children, and all of 
the English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, Polish, Wallonians, Latvians,
Russians, and everyone else who makes up the hundreds of ethnic groups that
create the white race, as the entirety will die without internal support.

Are you a racist or a coward?

Who cares whether our people die now or in 2100?  The result of global 
genocide is the same.  Hate is called for.  Love is called for.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 17:31:00 PDT 1996
Article: 30894 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: ?
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In  Dene Bebbington  writes:

! Yet again you spew forth the word "clone" as if it actually meant
! something. The only concern I have for your racial feelings is to
! dispute your arguments when you express and bigotry and hatred for those
! who you disagree with. 

Clone seems to mean conformity.  Such as people who are anti-racist
because everybody else is.  Conformists show a lack of depth.

! I certainly have no white racial concerns, I do not share your fixation
! about "White" people.

No, not everybody has concern for the world at large, but there's hope.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 23 18:19:04 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: ?
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In <3245c43e.3292204@news.awinc.com> klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) writes:

! But, hey, thanks for the post 'cause now all pretense of what you are has
! been shot to shit and you have exposed yourself for the nasty piece of trash
! you rally are.

If Jews are disarmed, they will be killed by the government, it's that
simple.  It happened before, it'll happen again, especially since they 
are hell bent on repressing poor white people, the ones most in favour of 
protecting gun rights.

! You get the runner up in the best that revisionism has to offer award. 

Indeed.  Thanks for your input.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 24 07:37:53 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Are anti-Semites inherently unstable?
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In <32455F57.4ACC@ccnis.net> "Annie Alpert, OFB"  writes:

! What is it about Holocaust deniers that make them so unstable?  It
! doesn't say much for the cause, if it attracts such neurotic souls.

Risk.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Sep 24 17:42:42 PDT 1996
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In <527csd$hdp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! In article , 
! schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! 
! >In article , 
! >qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! >> In  schwartz@infinet.com
! >writes:
! 
! [snip]
!  
! >> By our laws, but your kind think's your race is better than us.
!  
! >My KIND?
! >What, pray tell, is my kind?
! >My kind is American.
! >My race is caucasian.
! >So you're saying that caucasian Americans think that the caucasian race is
! >better than... what?
!  
! >By you statement ("better than us"), am I to deduct that you are NOT a
! >white caucasian?
! 
! Mr. Harman is, in fact, nothing more or less than a troll. He
! holds no opinions. His intellectual strength can be measured
! through his favorite response, "fuckhead," which is usually
! appended to complete articles and posted with no further
! comment.
! 
! [snip]
! 
! >Looking forward to your facts.
! 
! Mr. Harman does not deal in facts. Mr. Harman, like the
! unfortunate Mr. Giwer, deals in the waste of bandwidth.
! And, like Mr. Giwer, should be ignored. He is, I must add,
! absolutely no match for an OFB DT.
! 
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Fckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 25 08:23:05 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Anti-Racists Control Everything
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In <3242B56D.116B@novia.net> Craig Thomas Reisser  writes:

! Hitler's attack on Poland:  the most terrible war Europe has ever 
! experienced -- millions of casualties, the Holocaust, and a German 
! homeland in ruins.

Eh?  Europe's worst war was the Thirty Year's War, which killed ~66% of
the German populace.  The war was initiated by the Church in an attempt
to kill and terrorize dissidents who opposed the foreign Church.

And the German homeland was in ruins in 1945 because of German and 
non-German anti-racists.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 25 08:24:59 PDT 1996
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In <3248dff4.496467@192.168.2.1> stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve A) writes:

! How many female schoolteachers do you know carry sidearms in the
! US?

Some, not enough.

! The only people on the scene were female schoolteachers.

And children.  Some children are taught shooting and responsibility at 
an age as young as five, and they have lower rates of accidents and
crime than the firearm-deprived.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 25 08:42:46 PDT 1996
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In <5217j1$it1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! >3) The meaning of the German compound word "Leichenkeller" has

I've heard to exterminate Leichen you scrub it with straight bleach, but
I give up trying that and just spray on the 'ole Triox, then watch all the 
worms do their naked dance of death


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 25 08:42:47 PDT 1996
Article: 86998 of soc.culture.german
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In <3248484c.87630601@news.zilker.net> mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

! In America the power to control guns is really and Constitutionally
! with the 50 states. The Federal government is Constitutionally unable
! to ban guns. The recent "ban" of "assault" weapons is a ban on
! importation so is right know a legal symantic problem and might even
! be unconstitutional. There is no restrictions on people owning these
! guns. The American second amendment is a restriction on Federal
! government of this nation and not on the 50 states of this nation. So
! far the 2nd amendment has not been incorporated into the 14th
! amendment.

Why is it only the Second Amendment that doesn't restrict the states and
not the other sections of the Bill Of Rights?  Would it be legal for
California to criminalize Holocaust propaganda or for Massachusetts
to institute torture as a punishment for felonies?  Then why HK's?
Are you of the opinion that Form 4473 is unconstitutional?

Vermont is the only state which cleanly allows bearing (carrying) 
firearms, so is the only state which so far avoids unconstitutionality
in this respect.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 25 10:21:11 PDT 1996
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In  Dene Bebbington  writes:

! for anybody other than Les Griswold. Speaking of whom, does anyone know
! the reason for his departure from this newsgroup?

Hopefully siring more white life.

! It was a hint that Les Griswold had Nazi style views.

And you have Fascist style views, as the Fascists were anti-racist.


From qut@netcom.com Wed Sep 25 10:26:23 PDT 1996
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In <52a1br$lh0@jerry.loop.net> goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) writes:

! ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:
! 
! >Which, of course, doesn't speak to the issue:  that Irving is not, by any 
! >reasonable definition of the term, a professional historian, in that he does 
! >not (despite his undeniable ability to get Nazis to give him documents) have 
! >the education, learning, training or ethics of a professional historian.  
! 
! Professional Historian = one who studies history for money.  That's
! all it means.  You'll probably get farther if you accept his
! credibility, and then attack the ideas as in-credible.

Of course, professors and students are picked because they look Jewish,
not for their merits.  The Ivy League colleges are a case in point.
Students pay through the nose and become an elite group by stealing a
degree, because status is obtained by the honor.  But what did they
learn?  If it's a course that smacks of sociology, they get a study
with the academic standards beneath the third world level.  Why?
Political rigidification of the schools wrung over us by the anti-racist
fascists.  So someone with a degree in political science, or some other 
sociological field, is treated as someone who's gone through a 
stratification through a rigid political selection process, which 
everone does, but agrees and promotes it.  The screen for rejection
includes belief in white collectivism, the only method Gods children will
survive into the future.  The extreme rigidification has degraded the
schools to the point where there are many millions of folks who exit
the schools to the corporate world with a lethal hatred of white 
children.  This also points out how *failure* to obtain a degree in
history can build a better historian, like not having a degree in
political science is *consistenly* a sign of a higher quality politician.

The sixties opened the Curricula; The Eighties closed it up tight.

White Rights!  Vote NO on the CCRI!


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In <32408274.6A1A@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

! express my disgust with this post. I won't bother to repeat what Jean 
! A Robards wrote, but it was a very juvenile piece of junk. Jean A. 
! Robards (the real person) male or female adult or tennie-bopper, is a 
! very racist person, not to mention stupid too boot. The post made very 
! little sense, many mispelled words, poor writing, but regardless, I 
! lost my cool and wrote a rather nasty response, sending a copy to the 
! wrong person. I apologize for the error, but this Jean A Robards is a 
! real airhead, either that or the parents have a loose cannon in the 
! house. A good ass-kicking at least is deserved by this nasty person.
! I'll do it if they ever post again.

Agreed.  And Jean Robards is an anti-racist.


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In <3247f6d9.3668770@news.pacificnet.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

! 		Behold the lie, tell your friends.
! 
! 	For those who are new to investigating whether or not the
! Holocaust story is true I present you with this simple introductory
! sequence of material. None of it is revisionist, meaning none of it
! comes from those who deny the greater part of this Holocaust story. It
! is all based on what the pushers of the story give themselves.
! 
! 	A few years ago a major revision to the story was announced.
! After much crying and charging of "anti-Semitism" and "neo-Nazism"
! those who are so eager and dedicated to perpetuating the story have
! had to accept it. The gigantic revision was the reduction of the
! previously claimed number of 4,000,000 people said to have been
! exterminated at Auschwitz down to the currently accepted claim of
! 1,000,000, a 3,000,000 (75%) reduction. Among those dedicated to
! keeping the story at a high saturation in our every day lives is the
! Simon Wiesenthal Center and here I present their words on the matter
! so you can be confortable in accepting that there is a revision
! process taking place to which even they have had to swallow, if not a
! bit begrudgingly and as we will see, with a certain lack of grace,
! style and respect for those the statement is aimed at. 
! 
! 	As to the overall number of people said to have been killed at
! Auschwitz and the number that was and is now said to have been Jews I
! give you a extract from the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
! 
!                             --------
! 	
!        "For years, the statistics at Auschwitz-Birkenau had been put
! at well over 3 million.* Recently, however, a memorial plaque at the
! former death camp estimates Jewish loses closer to 1 million.
! Shouldn't the new figures imply that Jewish losses for the Holocaust
! are much lower than previously thought?"
! 
! *("well over" meaning 4 million)
! 
! 	The center then goes into a paragraph about how it was an
! "invention" of the communist government of Poland and the U.S.S.R.,
! "to blur the uniqueness of Jewish suffering", that they "purposely
! overstated the number of non-Jewish casualties at Auschwitz-Birkenau
! by many times" and in order to "disguise the subterfuge" ... "the
! figures for Jewish losses were inflated by nearly double, so that
! their losses would still be larger than those of non-Jewish victims".
!        
!         Instead of trying to figure this out at this time we can just
! go on to the motive behind this rather confusing logic.
! 
! 	"The figure of 6 million Jewish losses during the Holocaust
! has always been in line with the lower Auschwitz figures."
! 
!                              ---------
! 
! 	Now recalling the Wiesenthal Center's claim that the overall
! 6,000,000 number of Jews never was based on a higher figure at
! Auschwitz and thus is still 6,000,000, after the revision of 4,000,000
! down to 1,000,000, we can review the contradictory listing below to
! see if they are telling the truth or are in fact committing a
! blasphemy against the truth and are insulting the reader.
! 	
!   
!    Yehuda Bauer's _A History of the Holocaust_ (c. 1982) lists the
!    Auschwitz death toll as between 1.5 and 3.5 million Jews
! 	
!    Poliakov's _Harvest of Hate_ (c. 1956) lists the total Auschwitz 
!    dead at about 2,300,000.
!  
!    "Auschwitz" _The World Book Encyclopedia_.  Chicago: World Book,
!    1980.  2,500,000
! 
!    Billig, Joseph.  _Les camps de concentration dans l'economie du
!    Reich hitlerien_.  Paris: Presses universitaires de France, 1973.
!    pp 101-102. 2,000,000
! 
!    Encyclopedia Judaica, Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, 1974.  p
!    855.  1,000,000 to 2,500,000
! 
!    Friedman, Filip.  _This Was Oswiecim: The Story of a Murder Camp_.
!    Translated from the Yiddish original by Joseph Leftwich.  London:
!    The United Jewish Relief Appeal, 1946, 14. 4,000,000 to 5,000,000
! 
!    Kamenetksy, Ihor.  _Secret Nazi Plans for Eastern Europe_.  New
!    Haven: College and University Press, 1961.  p174   2,500,000
! 
!    Kogon, Eugene. _Der SS Staat_.  Berlin,  1974, 157.  3,500,000 to
! 
!    4,500,000
!    
!    Wellers, Georges.  "Essai de determination du nombre de morts au
!    camp d'Auschwitz" _Le Monde Juif_, Oct-Dec 1 1983, 127-59, 
!    1,600,000
!    
!    Brestrafung der Verbrecher von Auschwitz, in _Auschwitz:
!    Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des Vernichtungslagers_.  Reinbek bei
!    Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 211.  2,500,000 to 4,000,000
! 
!    Czech, D.  "Konzentrationslager Auschwitz: Abriss der Geschichte,"
!    in _Auschwitz: Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des
!    Konzentrationslagers_.  Reinbek bei Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 42.
!    2,500,000 to 4,000,000
! 
!    Dunin-Wasowicz, Krzysztof.  _Resistance in the Nazi concentration
!    camps, 1933-1945_.  Warsaw: PWN-Polish Scientific Publishers, 1982,
!    44. 	2,500,000 to 4,000,000
! 
!    Madajczyk, Czeslaw.  _Polityka III Rzeszy w okupowanej Polsce;
!    okupacja Polski, 1939-1945_.  Warsaw: Panstwowe Wydawn Naukowe,
!    1970, 293-94.  2,800,000 to 4,000,000
! 
!    _Obozy hitlerowskie na ziemiach polskich 1939-1945: informator
!    encyklopedyczny_.  Warsaw: Panst.  Wydaw.  Naukowe DSP, 1979, 369.
!    2,500,000 to 4,000,000
! 
!    Nora Levin's "The Holocaust",  2,000,000 to 2,300,000
!   
!    Rabbi Dr. Moshe Weiss, The Jewish Press Friday April 5, 1991
!    Yom HaShoah - Holocaust Remembrance. 3,000,000
! 
!    
!                              -------
! 
! 	So, even though the Simon Wiesenthal Center claims the
! 6,000,000 figure of total Jews killed "has always been in line with
! the lower figures" it is obvious that there is some recorded evidence
! to show this statement to be down right false, since they clearly cite
! anywhere from 2,000,000 to 3,500,000 Jews killed at Auschwitz, which
! would make the 6,000,000 figure considerably lower if we used those
! numbers instead of the newer currently accepted number of 1,000,000
! Jews.
! 
! 	This poster has over the years witnessed many times in our
! daily press the figure of 4,000,000 people said to have been put to
! death at Auschwitz, 3,000,000 being Jewish. 3,000,000 Jews killed at
! Auschwitz is the common prevalant 'street number' held in the minds of
! those who have had any experience on the subject. I would invite
! anyone to do their own poll by asking friends or acquaintances what
! number they have in their heads as to the number of people said to
! have been put to death at Auschwitz and how many they think were Jews,
! to see how wide spread the figures are.
! 	
! 	Since the Simon Wiesenthal Center is the foremost organization
! involved with saturating the minds of the people with the Holocaust
! story and the main sponsor of Holocaust museums we must assume they
! are knowledgable of the material that has been put forth and thus are
! committing a lie. 
! 	In lieu of the evidence we should ask: If the Simon Wiesenthal
! Center claims the 6,000,000 number was never contingent on the
! pre-revised number why didn't they make an attempt at setting the
! record straight? 				    
! 	It cannot be shown that the Holocaust perpetuators were the
! initiating force behind this huge revision and others, but in fact
! struggled energetically to keep it from happening. It could also be
! suggested that if it was not for revisionist energy the Holocaust
! beneficiaries would have let the old figures stay as they were.
! 
!        	     Behold the Lie - Ask Your Friends
! 
! 	How many people do you think were killed at Auschwitz?
! 	How many do you think were Jewish?
! 
! 	The current figure is now given as 1,000,000, 900,000, 600,000
! or 300,000 - take your pick. You will hear 3,000,000. Then wonder to
! yourself how Simon Wiesenthal and his company of Holocaust
! beneficiaries can say the 6,000,000 figure of total Jews killed "was
! always in line" with the revised figures which came 45 years later.
! 	
! 	WARNING: Even though this gigantic modification to the story
! has taken place and is currently accepted by the world, along with a
! number of other major revisions, Holocaust revisionists still chipping
! away at the credibility of the remaining story are still dubbed
! "anti-Semites" and "neo-Nazis".
! 	
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! quatchen

Jews believe anything rich Jews say.  There is a strong strain of Fascism in Judiasm.


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In <526r08$2p2@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:

!     The highest incidence of rape is a Black male raping a Black female.
! There is about equal incidence of White males raping Black females as
! Black males raping White females; the differences are negligible.  The
! smallest incidence is a White male raping a White female.
!     In past decades, up until sometime in the seventies, the highest
! incidence of rape was (and by a good margin if my memory is on target) a
! White male raping a Black female.  

Why do you say stuff like this?

! Philip T. Kasiecki
! Northeastern University Class of 1999

Don't count on it.


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In <51vk0b$3uk@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) posts more venomous lies:
!   
! >  	So sayeth the Torah and the Talmud.
!   
! 	It should be noted that the ignorant bigot who posted this:
! 
! 	1.  Less than one month ago did not know what the "Torah" is.
! 
! 	2.  Had never studied the Talmud and has no idea what is contained in it.
! 
! 	3.  Is a notorious anti-Semite who has frequently lied about Jews.
! 
! 	It is, of course, useless to ask what texts to which he is referring.  He des 
! not know himself.

Good Question:  Should the goyim treat Jews in the same manner that the
                Torah and Talmud treat Gentiles?


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:02 PDT 1996
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In <52981k$b2h@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! >! 	Most of the people killing each other are criminals 
! >!       killing off criminals.  Who cares?
! 
! >We do.  Criminals should be killed by good people, not other criminals.
! 
! 	There is a serious problem with that.  You kill a criminal in all but the
! cleanest of circumstances and your risk criminal prosecution.  You certainly
! face civil prosecution.  Even the police face administrative leave, taking them
! off the street.  

That's what I meant: the law must be changed to correct this.  A patriotic
governemnt would.

! Petty crimes are crimes too, but to
! >a far less of a degree.  Consider the frequency, of say, a white woman
! >being raped.  An individual rape is bad enough, but isn't it even worse 
! >that the leaders of our society actually promote rape?  A single 
! >anti-racist movie like "Mississippi Burning" or "Pocahontas" probably
! >causes more rapes than the worst of the serial rapists on an 
! >individual level.
! 
! 	You probably do not remember when the US ended all juvenile crime in this
! country by banning violent comic books.  

Ah, but MAD found a way to get around this, sneaky devils.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:03 PDT 1996
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In  Dene Bebbington  writes:

! >! It was a hint that Les Griswold had Nazi style views.
! >
! >And you have Fascist style views, as the Fascists were anti-racist.
! 
! We could play semantic games here, but fascists are not necessarily
! either racist or anti-racist. By the generally accepted meaning of the
! word there is no way that I'm a facist.

No, just that you hold Fascist-like views.  Fascist Italy, you know?
Just like racists have Nazi-like views, as previously stated.


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In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:

! * for anybody other than Les Griswold. Speaking of whom, does anyone know
! * the reason for his departure from this newsgroup?
! 
! I don't know why he left, but a blurb in yesterday's newspaper hints about
! his recent activities:
! 
!       "In Edmonton, Alberta, six police cars chased and 
!       stopped a Loomis armored car after a report that 
!       it was weaving erratically on the road and that 
!       a guard appeared to be signalling by repeatedly
!       swinging the door open. But there was no holdup,
!       according to a police spokesman, rather, one of 
!       the guards had passed gas, and the other guard 
!       was trying to air out the cab."

Last I heard, he was arrested in Morroco for trafficking in foreign idols.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:05 PDT 1996
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In <52ffaa$asp@news.wco.com> "intuit@wco.com"  writes:

! While I come from Britain where even the police don't wear guns, living 
! in Cal. leads me to feel that one way to reduce the amount of shootings, 
! and crime is for everyone without a criminal record be permitted, and 
! encouraged, after weapon training, to openly carry firearms as the did in 
! Frontier days.

>From  my understanding, it's been illegal to carry throughout California 
since 1898, quite in the past.

The new CCW license bill just failed to pass.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:05 PDT 1996
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In <$eg4tbALFETyEwPN@bebbo.demon.co.uk> Dene Bebbington  writes:

! Again I tell you that you don't understand what genocide means, the
! suffix "cide" refers to murder/killing. Not by any stretch of the
! imagination could immigration or intermarriage be construed as genocide.
! If you believe that there is a danger of the "White race" disappearing
! then you'd do better to exhort White people to have more children. But

Whites have had low birth rates for a long time, but that won't kill us
off all alone.  The United Nations definition of genocide includes measures
that are designed to reduce the natural growth rate of a race, as well as 
measures to interfere with it's mental health or decrement it's cultural 
identity.  Yes, the definition is that broad, it had to be so that measures 
adopted by Germany in 1933 can now be classed as Genocide.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:06 PDT 1996
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In <324ABF96.4C90@conterra.com> Bob Whitaker  writes:

! You clones are pushing your immigration, integration, and intermarriage
! as "the final solution to the RACE problem".
!       But you don't go crazy when Japan doesn't bring in immigrants,
! only when the Unitged States or Britain or some other white-majority
! country wants to cut back on Third World immigration.   
!    I know, like al clones, you are going to deny what you say all the
! time when you are called on it: "The real solution to the race problem
! is racial intermarriage".
!    But all this immigration and integration and intermarriage is ONLY to
! take place in white majority countries.  It is nonviolent, but it is
! targetted against one race.
!    That means it's genocide.

It is relatively non-violent at the present, but let's not wait until
there is not a country in the world left that has a substantial white
population to find out whether we'll always be permitted to survive as
even individuals.  That the strenthening global anti-white order will
use violence in the future against the remaining of us is inevitable,
and certainly before 2100.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Why is there no revisionist version of Nizkor?
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In <52ele4$q1i@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
! >On 22 Sep 1996 18:21:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
! >>>   acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
! >>>  Do you not consider the Zundelsite as a reasonable presenter of the 
! >>>  truth, in opposition to the Holohoaxers?
! >>	No.
! >	So?  
! 
! 	Yale answered a question asked by a denier - that's why he answered.
! 
! 	For the record, I agree with Yale.

It's a question of finances.  Anti-revisionists have billions of dollars.
The Holocaust has been highly profitable for the Jewish race, take Ed
Bronfman for example, one of "discoverers" of the Holocaust.


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In <52el6g$pud@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
! > I have a theory in your case: you made a fool of yourself or either
! > you are lying. There's several revisionist sites, none which is as
! > big as Nizkor but the 3 main ones are:
! >  http://www.codoh.com/
! 
! 	I was interested to see the kind of smears and innuendo used in a few
! pages I examined at random. For instance, after mentioning that he found
! nobody who agreed with him on death figures in Canberra, Dr. Toben remarks:
! 
! 	"Canberra is also the only city in Australia with a legal pornography
! industry. The other Canberra vice is that its youth have a high drug addiction
! rate." (http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vpoltoben.html)
! 
! 	What this comment has to do with the Holocaust, I don't know. It does
! look like a smear, though.

Of course, that is not expected from Jews.  Jews do not name call.

! 	Most of that page is comprised of analogies, complaints of oppression*
! and claims that there is a "Zionist lobby" working on the Australian government
! to pass laws against Holocaust denial. It also mentions Fred Leuchter, trying
! to avoid his dubious claims to be an engineer, but claims his "Leuchter Report"
! is a credible piece of work.
! 
! 	In another article(http://www.codoh.com/gogv/gcfaur.html), Faurisson
! cites Leuchter's "expert report". There are ad-hominem attacks on Eli Wiesel
! and a scholar called Berenbaum, as well as unsupported claims that the
! gas chambers never existed.
! 
! 	Nizkor provides FAQs on the Leuchter report:
! http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/leuchter.fred/leuchter.faq1
! http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/leuchter.fred/leuchter.faq2
! 
! 	There is a link to another page, this time at the IHR page you mention
! below. Eli Wiesel is called a liar for claiming people we burned alive
! in ditches. In fact there is evidence of this burning which doesn't just rely
! on Eli Wiesel's testimony alone. (References at http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/f/faurisson.robert/burned-alive.citations)
! 
! 	Faurisson's scholarship is critqued at: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/f/faurisson.robert/faurissons-research
! 
! >  http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/
! 
! 	At: http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/RENAISS/gerrya.html there is
! a distorted version of the Zundelsite story. The page claims that the mirroring
! of the Zundel site was due to the Wiesenthal Centre writing letters about
! the site. If I recall correctly, the mirrors sprang up as a response to an
! attempt to block access to the site by either the German government or the
! ISPs in Germany. The "eventual outcome" of this incident is claimed to be the
! Communications Decency Act - IIRC, the CDA was promoted by people who claimed
! it would prevent children coming across pornography on the net.
! 
! >  http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/
! 
! 	This is linked to by the CODOH site above. I will comment more on this
! site tomorrow.
! 
! 	Derek
! 
! *I disagree with the laws against Holocaust denial, I feel that they are
! both against free speech and unneccessary.
! -- 
! Derek Bell  dbell@maths.tcd.ie  WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html
! 	"Donuts - is there _anything_ they can't do?" - Homer Simpson


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In <52elbg$q01@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! 	The original poster asked for "comparable" denier sites to Nizkor.
! To me, none of the denier sites are comparable, as many of the claims they
! make are refuted by Nizkor. Oddly enough, no claim by Nizkor that I can

Of course not, the revisionist sites are non-profit.

! remember has been refuted by anything at a denier site. In this sense, the
! denier sites are indeed not comparable.

That's very silly.


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In <52ce42$83f@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! 	By the way, I take it this is -- at long last -- an admission that you cannot 
! point to a statement from the ADL stating that 20% of Americans are anti-Semites.

That "believing the Holocaust may not have happened," is well within the
definition of antisemitism, according to Jews.  You lie like a Jew.


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In <521gkj$hu3@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! 	1. The deniers are incapable of behaving rationally about the
! Holocaust, which means that they don't do the obvious thing, like creating
! a site of their own.
! 
! 	2. The deniers know that it would just make them look more foolish,
! by exposing themselves even more for the fools they are
! 
! 	3. ZOG orbital mind control lasers are constantly monitoring their
! "minds" (for lack of a better term) and removing all "ideas" (for lack of a
! better term) that deniers have about creating their own site of arguments for
! their cause.
! 
! 	Derek
! 
! -- 
! Derek Bell  dbell@maths.tcd.ie  WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html
EAT MY POOP.


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In <3247566E.446B@lab.eng.usyd.edu.au> Tone  writes:

! listen Dave, nobody wants to kill
! you, your logic is quite twisted
! which comes back to the point about
! intelluct. Please don't twist the
! truth, Asians and African have been
! and are still the victims of American
! society............, so be more
! understanding. (read your history)

I read the books that anti-racists write, and 
fills me with hate of those who hate my kind. 
I understand and empathise.

! By the way, the mind will always win
! over physical power, so don't use it
! otherwise your ass will be kicked by
! the counter attack............             
!           just a friendly suggestion

The media, the school system, the busines world 
in general, the differential birth rates, etc.,
are proof that Africans and Asians are calling 
the shots.  

So are you enjoying the world you rule and 
plunder?  

The status quo is not going to last forever, 
there is hope for change!


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In <3249B13A.3958@ix.netcom.com> CapriCat@ix.netcom.com writes:

! Dave Harman OBC wrote:
! > 
! > In <524p5i$2ok_002@vip.best.com> tor@best.com (Tor Slettnes) writes:
! > 
! > ! White trash may be the weakest intellectually, but are in no way afraid
! > ! of using physical power against other groups that have a weaker position
! > ! in society.
! > 
! > Poor white people are the most hated and weakest people in the world.
! > We are the most enslaved people.  We are more than justified in hating
! > the Africans and Asians who want to kill us.
! 
! 
! 	///////		
! 	//////
! 	 ///
! 	 ///		YOU!
! 	 ///
! 	 ///
! 	 ///

Eh?  You want to crucify me?


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:14 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Why is there no revisionist version of Nizkor?
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In <5286ev$6e9@orion.cybercom.net> amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) writes:

! In article <523p17$l9r@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
! >>   amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) writes:
! >>  Nizkor, preeminently among other sites, has a great deal of information 
! >>  regarding the standard view of the holocaust.  Pictures, documents, etc.
! > etc.  
! >>  So, I ask the revisionists - why is there on comparable site to this 
! >>  supporting your side of the story?
! >>  
! >>  allan
! >>  
! >>>>>
! >Don't you think it curious that two non-revisionists answered your question to
! >revisionists?
! 
! Its actually far more telling that no "revisionists" have responded beyond 
! pointing to the ever more rediculous Zundelsite.  
! 
! allan
! 
! =================================================
!             amatthews@cybercom.net
! =================================================
! A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"          
! Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."           
! =================================================
! http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
! =================================================
Fuckhead.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:15 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: HOW TO DEFEAT THE TARANTULA'S DONUT TERRORISM!
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In <32469ade.19826716@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:

! When you get a credit card, the issuer will usually ask if you would
! like another card for someone else in your family. Reply YES! You
! would like another card for X. That's the name you're going to use
! when you sign-up for Internet service.

No, that's the name that's clearly connected to the parent CC number
in the rather privacy avoiding credit bureaus, *public* information,
or rather close to being public information.

! When you contract with a server, they ask for your name and a "major
! credit card," to automate their billing. You provide that, using the
! SECOND CARD you got "for a member of your family." You establish an
! account in THAT name. The Tarantulas will try and ferret out who you
! are, but all they'll end up with is the name on the SECONDARY credit
! de Net_. Keep it close to your ethnic background. I chose "Lehmann"
! card. Result: total anonymity. 

Nope.  You can do mail orders with a credit card and just make up
names on the spot.  It works well for sorting mail, but has nothing
to do with anonymity.

The correct way to do what you want is to use postal money orders, or
if you can get to the local office, in cash.  Give 100% bogus personal
data and just remember not to wait for a bill to send in the monthly
postal money order.  The admins might whine by e-mail, just ignore it.

! (Be rational in your choice of a _Nom
! after Ernst Lehmann, the captain of _The Hindenburg_. Also because
! it's multi-ethnic: it could be Jewish, it could be German, or combin-
! ation of the two.) Now, the _schlemiel_ Mathis has me pegged to El
! Toro, while the pulp-fiction machine opts for Alta Loma (wherever that
! is). You can also use this Net-Card for making controversial purch-

Another idea is to use phone numbers, addresses, and names from 
different people, say all with Jewish sounding names from rich
neighborhoods, especially those with unlisted numbers.  It's pretty
easy at a lot of ISP's to social engineer out phone numbers and
addresses of users, so if someone's out to harass you, they'll go
bugging more deserving folks.

! ases. It can come in handy, when anonymity is desired.
! 
! Of course, I took this precaution before wading into these Tarantulas'
! feeding sites. _Semper Paratus_ (Always Prepared), as the Boy Scouts
! used to say and the Coast Guard still does. NOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT!

No, now you know how.  So Ursus isn't anonymous everybody!


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:16 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Consider the holohugger
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! The tactic is simple; "revisionists" use it all the time. They 
! invent a non-existing testimony, or distort an existing one, 
! and then post it as if it was an actual testimony. Al Baron 
! did it. Tom Moran did it. And now Giwer does it.

What Holocaust jerks like to do is post irrelevent URL's to
"prove" a point.  They do it all the time.  Rich and Ken do
it the most, but they all do it to waste time.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:05:16 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: 1 Question for Milton, Ken, Andrew, Joel, Les, Rich, George, Ron, and other WPNG Regulars.
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In  se127pp  writes:

! BTW, was J. Stalin and his NKVD (?) enforcers white? What about Felix
! Dzerzhinsky (I think this bad cop was jewish, also)?

Lenin, Trotsky, Felix Dzerzhinsky, Genrikh Yadoga, Yezhov, Kaganovich and
Beria were all of the Jewish Race.  They murdered 42,000,000 of the 
Soviet people in the Collectivisation of Agriculture campaign and the 
political purges, from 1929-1939 alone.  30,000,000 died in the 1918-1923 
civil war era according to Hitler, when Trotsky and Dzerzhinsky were 
calling the shots.

Stalin, Vorosholiv, Molotov and Kirov were goyim.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:31:56 PDT 1996
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In <52baab$8q6@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! Although repressive, Mussolini's Italy was incredibly stable--arguably
! more stable that Italy before or since.   Getting involved with Der
! Fuehrer was his downfall.  Had he not, no doubt many Italians would
! swear today he was the greatest Italian leader since Garibaldi.

Possibly.  You could say that about Hitler too, if perhaps, they both 
died in 1938 from say trichina from a joint lunch of raw pigs feet.
And it was part Mussolini's fault, for wasting Hitler's forces in 
southern Europe and Africa rather than putting it all against the USSR 
>from  the start.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 16:58:14 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: earwax
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In <52ad5t$kpt@orion.cybercom.net> amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! >In <32466883.17938682@news.srv.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John
! > Morris) writes:
! >
! >! So, Aryans got better ear wax?
! >
! >Yes.
! 
! Please give the details of this alleged superiority, including references to 
! anatomical papers or texts that describe it.  

Jealous?


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 17:46:22 PDT 1996
Article: 69721 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Pollard And The Traitors Who Support Him With Silence
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In <52e688$fbs@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> joeydbirq@aol.com (andy riveria) writes:

! >!       You may have wondered why jews support the traitor Pollard.  
! >! 
! >!       That is because he is a Jew and they are jews and american 
! >!       jews who support either are scum jew traitors.
! >! 
! >!       But then, why be redundant.  I said they were jews. 
! >! 
! >!       And not one Jew has spoken against any of them.  
! >! 
! >!       They do stick together.  
! >
! >Caution lest he be judged by the company he keeps.
! 
! FACT: oliver north sold arms to iran
! 
! FACT: at the time iran said there was a state of war between american 
! and iran
! 
! FACT: at the time iran was actively carrying out acts of terrroism 
! against the united states around the world
! 
! FACT: oliver north has confessed to an act of treason
! 
! FACT: oliver north is a hero to the christian coalition

Fact:  He is wrong.

Fact:  Christian Coalition is wrong.

Fact:  They both love Israel.

Fact:  This is not even relevent to Pollard, except another example of a 
       traitor.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 17:46:23 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Consider the holohugger
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! Never forget what you're dealing with here.
! 
!         Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
!             with him about historical facts
!         ---------------------------------------
! 
! Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
! in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
! his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
! says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
! kill me himself.

Liar.

! Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".
! 
! Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
! for all of this.

What's to object to?  The context, of course, was were you
to act as the mad bombers did.  Your not.  Moot point.
The actual bombers deserve to suffer.  They haven't.

!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
!  Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
! # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
! # US above all others.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism
! 
! # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
! # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
! # the US.
! #
! # The curse is upon him.
! #
! # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
! # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
! # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
! # are no loyal Americans.
! #
! # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
! #
! # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
! # apart.  May you know death from drowning.
! 
! # And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
! # end of time and from then into eternity.  
! 
! 
! 
! 
! -Danny Keren.
! 


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 17:46:24 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Consider the holohugger
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! Never forget what you're dealing with here.
! 
!         Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
!             with him about historical facts
!         ---------------------------------------
! 
! Since my opinion about the attAck on the USS Liberty,
! in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
! his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
! says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
! kill me himself.

Liar.

! Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".
! 
! Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
! for all of this.

What's to object to?  The context, of course, was were you
to act as the mad bombers did.  Your not.  Moot point.
The actual bombers deserve to suffer.  They haven't.

1  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
!  Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
! # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
! # US above all others.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism
! 
! # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
! # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
! # the US.
! #
! # The curse is upon him.
! #
! # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
! # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
! # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
! # are no loyal Americans.
! #
! # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
! #
! # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
! # apart.  May you know death from drowning.
! 
! # And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
! # end of time and from then into eternity.  
! 
! 
! 
! 
! -Danny Keren.
! 


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 17:46:24 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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In <324BEDBF.250D@tor250.org> A Gryn  writes:

! >         Kol Nidre absolves that  Yom Kippur dictum.
! 
! Nope!
! 
! Kol Nidre is an absolution against forced vows and conversions.
! 
! It does not deal with anything else.
! 
! This is a fact that any Jew is taught at the very outset of his
! training.

The Talmud also teaches adherents to lie about it's contents, if the 
subject should come up.


From jwhitn1@uic.edu Sat Sep 28 17:46:25 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: THE COMING WAR WITH CHINA
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Please, please, don't respond to this anymore.  I am only posting
this out of desperation because I've been getting an average of
two responses per day to this thread.  Those responses are certainly
not relevant to 90% of the newsgroups listed above.  I realize that
this response is equally irrelevant, but I only post it because I
don't know from what newsgroup everyone is replying.

Again, I apologize to everyone else that is tired of responses to
this spam and ask your forgiveness.  On your behalf, however, I ask
that people PLEASE STOP REPLYING TO THIS THREAD.

Thank you.

Eventually, there may be a war between the U.S. and China.  There
actions to and in the USA are suspicious.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 17:46:26 PDT 1996
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In <52c4lc$68q@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! >	Those who invent stories of satanic laughter of pilots that can be
! >heard over the sound of their engines and other "eyewitnesses" the people like
! >McVay swear are telling the complete truth.  
! 
! 	Please give specific names and examples of who and where these claims
! were made by. Please give specific examples of where Ken McVay has claimed
! that "satanic laughter of pilots that can be heard over the sound of their
! engines". The burden of proof is on you, Matt. You made the claims, you back
! them up.

You see them post inane claims all the time.  We cannot provide a URL,
when their is no URL to provide.  Start saving Ken's posts yourself if
you want examples.


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In  Kneeland  writes:

! 	Speaking about the above, a book that must be read for a clear,
! and quick summing up of Jewish machinations and chicaneries in the
! Talmudic manner par excellence, is Samuel Roth's "Jews Must Live". It is a
! must. Roth- who is 'one of us' - describes the talmudic religion of
! Judaism a la Yom Kippur and its infamous Kol Nidre. Read this book.

Smurf!  Is that the same book that claims that all non-Jews should be
killed because only then can Jews have their own society?

! 	An interesting note must be made that almost all of the Patriotic
! movements consider 'the Jew' a 'racial' enemy. This is unfortunate since,
! one of my best friends is a great Patriot while having 'Jewish' blood. He
! even recounted an incident in New York City whereby an old Jewish man give
! his only regret on National Socialism to be that of its anti-jewish
! policies: treat jews poorly because they are just jews - quite an
! irrational position.

Is that great friend you?  Can you say with a straight face and mean
it "Jews should die because of our history of oppressing whites?"

Yet there are many whites who believe that "whites should die because 
of our history of oppessing other races."

Why should we expect anything less of you?  You care what's best for
humanity don't you?


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: QUEBEC LEADER OPPOSES JEWS
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In  acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

! > 	Can you back this statement up with _independent_ sources. (I.e.
! > not quoting members of your party, but a disparate group of people.)
! 
! How much more independent than BOTH the federal, and Quebec immigration 
! departments would you like??

He wants the Canadian pro-immigration groups to approve of the figures.

! > 	Why are you specifically concentrating on alleged illegal immigration
! > by Jews?
! 
! The USA FBI, Canada's CSIS, and INTERPOL have all stated publicly that 
! the Russian Jewish Mafia are the worst group of criminals so far 
! recorded. Is that good enough for you?

He wants to see what the World Jewish Congress has to say first.


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In  rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

! [lunatic rant deleted]

Your admiration for Jewish elitism has been known.


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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! There's far more physical evidence for the Holocaust than for,
! say, the bombing of Dresden, Stalin's atrocities, and most
! other historical events.

How does that excuse Jewish control of the USA?


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In <52c8tt$2vh@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:

! mcg@nyc.pipeline.com(cnm) escribe:
! >
! >Para los que no lo saben McVay es complice de Richard Graves --uno tan
! >delincuente como el otro.
! 
! Querido Chuck:
! 
! Somos amigos, cierto, pero no me encuentres en la lista de "complices"
! http://www.nizkor.org/contributors/
! 
! Desgraciadamente, especialmente ahora, estoy demasiado ocupado instalando
! redes y manteniendo FAQs tecnicos. No puede ayudar Nizkor mucho, pero si,
! le ha mandado un poco de lana; vea http://www.nizkor.org/objectives.html
! y http://www.nizkor.org/funding.html
! 
! >McVay es cana de profesion. Ahora trabaja para Simon Wiesenthal.
! >Esta dura la calle....
! 
! Acerca de McVay, vea http://www.nizkor.org/contributors/mcvay-ken.html
! 
! McVay nunca trabaja para Simon Wiesenthal (ni para el Centro Simon Wiesenthal
! en Los Angeles, que tiene poco que ver con el autor Simon Wiesenthal). La
! semana pasada, dijo que no queria participar en una conferencia con el SWC,
! porque el SWC favorece censura de ideas nazi y racista, y nosotros, no.
! Creemos que tenemos la inteligencia y la obligacion de contestar cada "idea"
! con la verdad, y que la verdad siempre apoya democracia y libertad.
! 
! Chuck y los nazis siempre tienen que mentir, porque la verdad es claro.
! Recuerde.
! 
! -rich
Fuckhead.


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In  rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

! If the Bronfmans did move it out, they had every legal right to do so,

Bronfman is one of the parasites, that will no longer be permitted to
rule.  He has no right to power, to his money, anymore than any other
subhuman thief.  For the first time in his life, I hope he suffers.

! Villeneuve is capitalizing on a fragile ethnic divide in Quebec, made even

Our corrupt society is not run by the people that you hate, like the
above, but by the class of parasites like the Bronfmans.  I don't know
if you favour the status quo or not, but if not, to attack someone
like the above is an act of cowardice.  It takes courage to dis a
Bronfman.  Or do you believe that they actually have a right to power?

! Let's fave it Sir - we all know that your real agenda is hatred and

Hatred has accomplished many great things before, and at this point
in history, is a requirement for ridding North America of parasites.
We can speculate on your opposition to this.  Or are you actually 
stupid enough to believe the world is run by individuals and not 
groups?


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Subject: Re: QUEBEC LEADER OPPOSES JEWS
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In <52h0g0$hkl@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! 	Define "sensible".

The opposite of everything today.

! >After all, just last week, both the federal immigration ministry, and the 
! >Quebec immigration department were BOTH complaining about the illegal 
! >immigrants from ISRAEL, being ex-Russian JEWS, with their false refugee 
! >claims!!!In 1995 alone, Quebec had 1,700 illegal JEWS claiming refugee 
! >status, even though Israel states that they are NOT refugees.
! 
! 	Why are you specifically concentrating on alleged illegal immigration
! by Jews?

Because others refuse to, from cowardice.


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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

If you were to serve on board the USS Liberty and supported the attack
on it, that'd be treason worthy of execution.  What is unreasonable
about this position?

!         Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
!             with him about historical facts
!         ---------------------------------------
! 
! Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
! in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
! his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
! says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
! kill me himself.
! 
! Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".
! 
! Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
! for all of this.
! 
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
!  Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
! # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
! # US above all others.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism
! 
! # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
! # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
! # the US.
! #
! # The curse is upon him.
! #
! # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
! # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
! # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
! # are no loyal Americans.
! #
! # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
! #
! # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
! # apart.  May you know death from drowning.
! 
! # And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
! # end of time and from then into eternity.  
! 
! 
! 
! 
! -Danny Keren.
! 


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In <01bbab75$b97b27c0$LocalHost@niegtal> "niegtal"  writes:

! How quickly the world forgets when it come to the unique religious group,
! the Jews, who refuse to bow down to anyone.

And demands that everyone else bow down to it.  We're never going to
forget what the subhumans are doing to Europe, never.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: The Eastern European Style of Truth
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In <52aobv$au2@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

!           The Eastern European Style of Truth
! 
!      This is a rather nebulous and unclear point to make about 
! the holocaust but one that needs be mentioned at least in 
! passing.  And that is the "allegoric" or "poetic" style of 
! recounting an event.  Specifically that there is a wide 
! divergence between what western and eastern Europe consider a 
! truthful recounting, even in court.  
! 
!      What this means in practice is that the western "tell me 
! about" is about the same as the eastern "tell me a story about."  
! In both cases there is an expectation, the former closest to the 
! Aristotilian facts and in the latter the closest story to the 
! facts.  
! 
!      Of course this is also the traditional method of 
! communication that is decades out of style today.  But when 
! people were telling stories of the Nazi occupation of Eastern 
! Europe it was the way to communicate.  
! 
!      This is not to suggest that one could not get a factual 
! account from the east or a story from the west.  This is to point 
! out the different means of communication and relative emphasis on 
! factual and allegorical contributions to the recounting.  
! 
!      And one more point before continuing.  The western European 
! approach was rather hard won from the world.  And the Eastern 
! European was not limited to the names geographers gave to the 
! continents.  That means that the Near East of Asia and Eastern 
! Europe are simply variations of the same way of thinking.  
! 
!      And I will point out that realizing there is more than one 
! way to think is quite difficult.  To help you realize this, 
! consider how few "westerners" are committed to analytic thought 
! and how many install beliefs over what they observe and learn.  
! In the "east" the difference is in the quality, the best fit, for 
! the allegory.  
! 
!      That was a long build up.  What it means is that eastern 
! communication is meant to convey feeling not facts.  And that it 
! is an error to take such stories as facts or even related to 
! facts.  They are related to feelings.  
! 
!      This kind of thinking has always been common.  Consider the 
! old stories of a great man's death, something miraculous would 
! happen.  The sun would come out at night or the stars would shine 
! at noon.  The intent was never a literal description but rather 
! to convey the magnitude of the feelings of the writer.  
! 
!      With this we come to Eastern European stories of Nazi 
! occupation.  It felt terrible.  Therefore stories conveying the 
! feeling were the norm.  
! 
!      Where a westerner might say, "It was as terrible as if they 
! had shot my entire family," an easterner would say, "They shot my 
! entire family," and mean the same event.  You can see this in the 
! occupation where the same troops, acting under the same orders 
! and in the face of the same provocation are reported, to the 
! western mind, to have acted entirely differently in the east and 
! west.  
! 
!      Where in the west we have retaliation against partisans, 
! Aristotilian cause and effect, in the east the same people show 
! up and commit unprovoked (causeless) attrocities.  In the west 
! they are portrayed as over-reacting or acting rashly while in the 
! east they act out of personal malice, personal evil.  In the west 
! there was a system to their actions, in the east all was chaos, 
! irrational acts that did not have to make sense to the western 
! mind.  
! 
!      What we fail to note in the west is that "they killed 8000 
! in a single night" is the same as "they killed 8 good people 
! fighting for their country" in the west.  The western tragedy of 
! good people dying in a noble cause hurts.  In the east that hurt 
! is told as a story to convey the magnitude of that hurt.  
! 
!      In like manner, killing the community leaders is retold and 
! destroying the community.  It is the same story when the leaders 
! are from the traditional families and not elected.  When a ghetto 
! is said to be liquidated that means its leadership was removed.  
! 
!      If you understand what I am getting at there is no need for 
! me to go further.  If you do not I can only say that I am working 
! on the larger essays to explain it.  Bear with me until a later 
! date.  
! 
!      But if you have followed me, you can see why there is such 
! emotional support for holocaust stories, they are told by people 
! who think in terms of stories to communicate feelings.  The 
! holohuggers are living on the communication of the feelings while 
! fighting the rational interpretation of the context of the 
! stories.  
! 
!      From here we can go to any number of holocaust stories and 
! show how this pervades them.  We know almost all of them came 
! geographically from eastern europe and the rest can be researched 
! as to people from that region.  
! 
!      Take for example evil/demonic/satanic/maniacal laughter 
! ingredient, the forced naked dancing and singing, the playing of 
! "german" music.  These stories come from the same people that 
! preserved the legends from which western authors drew the 
! inspiration for their stories of vampires and werewolves.  That 
! in itself should be enough to damn the stories of eastern 
! europeans.  
! 
!      The ingredients come from stories of witches' sabboths.  
! Mussorgsky pulled Night on Bald Mountain right out of their 
! legends with all the elements of legend that Campbell missed as 
! he was searching for the hero.  There are no heros in a culture 
! devoted to superstition and all pervasive evil as was 
! superstitious eastern europe.  There was only the occasional 
! stand against eternal darkness with his reward in heaven -- 
! meaning he died in the process.
! 
!      And into this came the Nazis almost volunteering to fit the 
! mold of legend.  Consider the pervasive belief that they were not 
! only anti-Christian but intent upon bringing back the pagan gods.  
! If anyone has not known simple people with simple superstitions 
! you have no idea of the power of that belief.  
! 
!      I have experienced such people.  One told me she was going 
! to see "The Exorcist" to study on it.  It was clear she believed 
! it was true and thought she was going to learn from it.  If you 
! have the opportunity to deal with such people, do not pass it up 
! but bite your tongue or the clam up.
! 
!      So here are people who are said to be reviving worship of 
! Odin.  In Christian mythology, all of the "false" gods are satan 
! himself.  That meant that all Nazis were followers of Satan in 
! the mind of these superstitious eastern europeans.
! 
!      And surprise, surprise, they told stories of the Nazis that 
! paralleled stories of Satan and witchcraft.  How could anyone be 
! surprised by that?  
! 
!      And what if there were any qualms about not quite telling 
! the truth?  They were worshippers of Satan were they not?  
! Knowing that then everything "known" about worshippers of Satan 
! was also true, whether or not they observed it because that was 
! the way Satan worshippers were.  
! 
!      And how could such contrived stories appear overnight?  
! Clearly they did not.  They occurred over years, four to eight 
! years if physical occupation is the criteria.  If threat is the 
! criteria eight years is the minimum.  If propaganda is the 
! criteria, then the communists were pushing it from around 1925 
! making it twenty years.
! 
!      In even one year most anything is possible in human belief 
! given the rumor mill.  It is not as though there was an evening 
! news covering the occupied territories every night on TV.  The 
! people had shortwave radios at best.  And the small towns and 
! farmers that dominated eastern Europe have few of those and there 
! is where the rumors grew.  
! 
!      And the human tendency to embellish rumors with the story 
! telling means of expression lead to the testimony to the 
! holocaust.  If looked at in the entirety they are rehashed 
! witchcraft stories.  If compared to each other they are mutually 
! exclusive.  If looked at individually they recount the 
! impossible.  
! 
!      And all of this leads to the melodramatic story-telling 
! level of the holocaust stories.  As the inspiration for vampires 
! and werewolves came from the east so too the stories of the 
! holocaust.  The same ingredients exist in all the stories.
! 
!      The difference is that the current story-tellers insist upon 
! the literal truth of eastern European stories in the western 
! sense of literal truth when in fact nothing of the kind was 
! either intended or understood by the eastern story-tellers.  
! 
!      In that regard, 60,000 which is a reasonable number, is 
! exaggerated to convey the depth of feeling to 6 million which is 
! also reasonable but in a different context.
! 
!      Emphasis is given to the burning, as in hell fire, as in 
! witchcraft bonfires.  A crematoria, burning, is considered 
! synonimous with gassing.  Even when they were buried first they 
! must be dug up and burned.  For such superstitous people 
! disturbing the dead by digging them up was an equal evil that let 
! loose satanic evil upon the land.  
! 
!      Is not disturbing the dead a factor in horror movies even 
! today?  And the Jewish factor?  Jews must be buried intact to the 
! point where an autopsy is prohibited.  Burning?  They can not be 
! resurrected or whateve they expected.  It was the ultimate evil.  
! 
!      But then as the eastern european jews were converts their 
! beliefs paralleled the christian majority.  All believed in this 
! superstition.  It was hardly twenty years ago that the Roman 
! Catholic Church took off the ban against cremation.
! 
!      It is difficult for western minds to comprehend pure 
! superstition and allegoric thought as a way of life, as a means 
! of perceiving and interpreting events.  It is so difficult that 
! it takes decades of paying attention to perception to even notice 
! the differences as there is no sharp demarcation line but rather 
! a slow gradation with bumps along the way.
! 
!      Nor do I claim to be the first to notice this.  It has been 
! around for centuries.  It has simply been impolite to discuss it 
! for so long that the basic difference has been forgotten.  Not 
! only impolite but the eastern and western have sought political 
! compromise in adopting a little of each so that it is not clear 
! to average observer that the difference exists.
! 
!      For political purposes eastern and western countries give 
! each other a public nod.  Israel, as a known example, will 
! portray Palestinians throwing stones as evil as worthy of lethal 
! response because stones are lethal.  But when the orthodox stone 
! people going to a movie on the Sabboth it is understandable for 
! religious reasons.  
! 
!      Obviously both are religious issues, but victim status must 
! be portrayed on one hand and internal disagreements on the other.  
! Similarly, the eastern european stories hold that the jews were 
! innocent victims while the other 6 million did something to 
! deserve it, save for a couple hundred thousand gypsies of course.  
! 
!      The stories of the holocaust were not told with the 
! intention of being taken literally.  In fact the tellers had no 
! concept of literal truth as do westerns.  They were, at the same 
! time, telling the story in the eastern sense and lying in the 
! western sense.  
! 
!      That is our holocaust.  It is no different than saying the 
! sun stood still when the great man died.  It was intended to be 
! the stuff of legends in the telling of the story.
! 
!      The literal truth of it is left for the analytic western 
! mind to find.  

Yes.


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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

!         Giwer wants to kill people who disagree 
!             with him about historical facts
!         ---------------------------------------
! 
! Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
! in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from 
! his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
! says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to 
! kill me himself.
! 
! Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".
! 
! Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
! for all of this.
! 
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
!  Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
! # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
! # US above all others.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism
! 
! # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and 
! # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
! # the US.
! #
! # The curse is upon him.
! #
! # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
! # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
! # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
! # are no loyal Americans.
! #
! # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
! #
! # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.  
! 
!  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
!  Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism
! 
! [Giwer writes to me]
! 
! # May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
! # apart.  May you know death from drowning.
! 
! # And may you live to suffer all again and again until the 
! # end of time and from then into eternity.  
! 
! 
! 
! 
! -Danny Keren.
Your apology for the USS Liberty bombing has registered.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 19:38:20 PDT 1996
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In <52cfs1$m54@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> lness@indiana.edu (Lester John Ness) writes:

! 	Actually, the anti-'white trash' feeling is a reaction to the
! excesses of 'anglo-saxon' boasting in the last century and the first half
! of this one.

That is no explaination of why wealthy African and Asian Americans are
often fond of the now rare Anglo-Saxon wealthy, yet have such a mean
spirited hatred of the largest ethnic group in Canada and the USA, the
whites who are not rich.


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In <527mcl$39fs@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

! Mark, while I agree that miscarriage of justice might somewhat overstate the
! case, I must agree with the main parts of Bill's hypothesis.  Indeed,
! Streicher was legally convicted, legally sentenced and legally executed.  But
! opinions differ as to whether his actions warranted the death penalty, both on
! an objective basis and a comparative one.  The fact remains that he had no
! executive power after 1940, was not involved in the planning or execution of
! the Final Solution, and was mainly a mouthpiece and decrepit newspaper
! publisher.  It stretches things somewhat to include him on the grounds of
! fomenting extermination.  He had been doing that since the early 1920s and it
! had not happened until the early 1940s.  One would have to conclude that he
! did not foment very well.  The driving force behind extermination--physical
! extermination--was Adolf Hitler.  I remain convinced that Streicher was tried
! in the place of the dead Hitler and the dead Goebbels.

So that's the way Jews describe their failures.  Nazis did it.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 21:06:11 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: "White Trash" as scapegoats
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In <52ce3m$ht5@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink) writes:

! However is has come about, it is certainly true that people labelled
! "white trash" are treated as the real outcasts of American society,
! unfit and unwanted and--of all the many groups in America--having no
! right to pride in their own past.  

Pride in the future is even better.  It helps to have a past.

! It should be no surprise, then, if many react angrily and seek to
! create scapegoats of their own, or if some of them even find Nazi
! explanations of the world plausible.

There's nothing wrong with scapegoating, everyone does, every group 
has their hate objects, the only trick is finding the correct ones.

! It is tragic this process continues today.

And yet it will not change, until either side wins.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 21:06:12 PDT 1996
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goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) took it up the butt and wrote:

! "Joe B. Clark"  took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:
! 
! >Obviously you're Muslim and our weak Christian faith disgusts you.
! 
! No, but I hate Christianity and your weak conscience bugs the hell out
! of me.  Why can't I come in here and read about some racists with
! balls?
! 
! GOAT
! 
! Note: "Racist" means those who believe in the ultimate right way,
! racially speaking, and includes Rich Graves and Joel Rosenberg as well
! as many of the more obvious Wasted Army of Reprobates types.

Ever did gerbils?


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 21:06:13 PDT 1996
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In  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

! "...The guards [at Dachau] had been tremendously incited by Eicke and the
! Newspaper _Der Strmer_, which was posted everywhere in the SS barracks
! and in the mess halls. The Jews were harrassed and persecuted enoiugh as
! 'corrupters of the German people,' even by their fellow prisoners. Since
! there was a _Der Strmer_ bulletin board within the concentration camp,
! the impact was noticeable even among those prisoners who were otherwise
! not really anti-Semitic...." (Hss, _Death Dealer_, p.139.) 

Sounds like the Dauchau inmates were well treated, perhaps far better
treated than American prisoners are today.  Certainly the Kolyma.

! The man _successfully_ helped to incite genocide, plain and simple.
! Streicher _did_ help convince people to take part, whether their parts
! were big or small,  in the Final Solution. That is, unless, of course, you
! are suggesting that such virulent anti-Semtism, brutality, and murder, as
! expressed in the KZ system, was somehow innate to Germany and the Germans?
! I think not. 

Yep.  Racism is inherited.

BTW, are to claim that movies that presents whites as racist inciteful
to violence?  There are many murders every year, perhaps inspired by
Holocaust propaganda and movies like Mississippi burning.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 21:06:14 PDT 1996
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! How about someone who defends Nazis, the same people who
! murdered American POW's in cold blood? I'd say he's a traitor.
! 
! Quoted from Evelyn Le Chene's "Mauthausen", p. 127:
! 
!  "In April 1945, nine American airmen were shot down. Four of
! them were brought to the camp in a large staff car. They were
! also made to stand against the wall and were interrogated by
! about fifteen SS-men. One fell dead at their feet; the other
! three were shot at the entrance to the crematorium".
! 
!  "The crews baled out and some were shot while descending.
! Thirty-six airmen were brought to Mauthausen and interrogated
! in the bunker. Later, all were taken away by Wehrmacht
! officers. Five bodies of this group were brought back to
! Mauthausen for cremation. Nothing is known of what happened
! to the remaining thirty-one".
! 
! Only a traitor and a scumbag would support and defend Nazi
! murderers.
! 
! 
! -Danny Keren.

This is a poor excuse for Pollard.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 21:06:15 PDT 1996
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The World Jewish Congress is fighting to becomes Europes biggest
land grabbers.  This will not be forgotten at Mr. Bronfman's 
Trial.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 21:06:16 PDT 1996
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In <52fc70$a8@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
! >  	What happens is that every month or so, out of nowhere, YFE sends me email
! >  complaining that I have sent him unsolicited email.  (Lately he has taken to
! >  claiming that is is also anti-semitic and obscene but he is getting rather
! >  hysterical.)  He also demands that I stop sending him email.
! 
! 	That is because you sent me e-mail.  At least one e-mail you sent contains 
! your anti-Semitic doggeral.  Your reply to my request that you not send me e-mail was "I 
! am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  That is obscene.  Two days after you sent that e-mail 
! you did so again.  That is criminal harrassment.
!   
! >  	I respond by informing him that I have never initiated any email to him.  
!  
! 	In other words you respond with a lie.  I have the e-mail Matty poo.
! 
!  	
! >  	Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless email is
! >  unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
! >  One would think that an attorney would know better than to do something as
! >  obvious as that.  
! 
! 	The response to my request to stop was the message "I am tired of your shit.  
! Fuck off."  followed by another e-mail.
! 
! 	If you think I can't produce them, Matty poo, sue me.
! 
! 	In the meantime you engaged in  harrassment.  You are a criminal.
! 
! 	--YFE

You post.  You recieve mail.  You stupid.


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In <529bje$7vv@access5.digex.net> mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

!     A funny thing didn't happen yesterday at Yom Kippur services.  We had
! a guest rabbi to assist with the services, and he was supposed to give a
! talk late in the afternoon.  He started out by distributing photocopies of
! a picture of two memorial markers from France (except that I didn't get a
! copy before he started; otherwise I might have been able to avert the
! whole episode).  One of them said, "Here are the ashes of our martyred
! comrades from Auschwitz" or some such.  The other said something like,
! "Here is the soap made from the fat of our deportees."  He told the 
! congregation what they were looking at, and I waited for him to tell the 
! rest of the story - except he didn't.
! 
!     He finished his talk, and called for questions.  I was sort of on the 
! spot.  On the one hand, I hated to embarrass him, but on the other hand, 
! I have an obligation to the truth, and that's what won out.  I got up and 
! said, "I hate to say this, but the manufacture of soap from Jewish fat 
! was a wartime rumor; no evidence was ever found."  I told about the RIF 
! bars and the Mazur testimony at Nuremberg.
! 
!     Based upon the claims I see posted here by "revisionists," I steeled
! myself for the inevitable firestorm of "Antisemite!" and "Self-hating
! Jew!" to rain down upon my head. 
! 
!     But you know what?  Not one person objected, either then or afterward. 
! In fact, an Auschwitz survivor was in attendance - a Hugarian deportee; 
! he showed me the tattoo on his arm - and he was quite matter-of-fact 
! about it.  He thought the soap stories were only widely accepted until 
! the mid-'50s (so much for the "revisionist" claim to have "forced" the 
! retraction), and it really didn't matter to him if they were true or not.

Does anybody care?


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In <324ba80c.53567269@news.srv.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

! Amidst all the hopeless excuses for the Nazis--they only shot
! guerillas, they only imprisoned criminals, they all died of disease,
! it was the Allies' fault--amidst all that hopeless special pleading
! stands one girl, an innocent who died horribly, whose death they know
! they cannot excuse. That one girl has a very human face, and she helps
! to put a human face on one after another after another. . . .

That is such a lame excuse for the millions of Soviets murdered by
Jews in the Kolyma.


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In <52h630$jd5@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! 	Probably because people find it easier to relate to an account by
! an individual rather than accounts of large amounts of people's suffering.

The psychology of the Holocaust is actually worth studying, just stay
away from the "accredited."

! 	And a direct result of the terrible conditions in Belsen.

Belsen was a four star hotel compared to the Kolyma.  Jews have it
easy.

! 	On a related note, there's the irony of Voltaire being quoted as a
! champion of tolerance when he was quite anti-Semitic. (His philosophical
! dictionary had a few nasty comments about Jews in it IIRC.)

"When in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, "Classical" French
philosophy undermined Church dogma and brought it into disrepute, it 
was certainly imbued with much acuteness of intellect and scintillating 
wit.  Nevertheless, it is evident with Rosseau and even with Voltaire 
that it lacked genuine nobility of mind that distinguished Berquin, 
Cond, Coligny and Teligny.  This intellectualism was abstract and
divorced from life and in this way the 14th of July 1789 was a symbol
of impotence of character.  The revolution under Coligny had been a
true and full-blooded one while the events of 1793 were merely blood-
thirsty and sterile because they were not sustained by anyone of great
charactor.  No geniuses inspired the Girondins and Jacobins, only 
insane philistines, egomaniacal demagogues and those hyenas of the
political battlefields who plunder the forlorn corpses."


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In <52h7v6$joj@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:

! 	It seems Mr. Grosvenor has a dislike of Jews and a belief that there
! is some kind of Jewish conspiracy. I wouldn't be surprised if he believed in
! orbital mind control lasers.

Of course there is a Jewish conspiracy.  Jewish organizations conspire
to make a profit, thus a Jewish conspiracy.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: HITLER SAID THE JEWS ARE THE BIG LIARS
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! Yep. He also expresses, in the same book, his desire to
! see Jews murdered by poison gas.

Nope.  You are not a good reader if you think that's what he
advocated and that he advocated lying.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! This is excerpted from "The Belsen Trial", p. 254-6. The
! accused is SS-woman Irma Grese; she is interrogated
! by Colonel Backhouse about her crimes in Auschwitz-Birkenau.
! 
! Note how she responds to the questions. Only a "revisionist"
! nut would claim that this exchange could have taken place
! at a "show trial".
! 
! Colonel Backhouse: I suggest to you that you gave evidence 
! at an enquiry against a guard who had refused to shoot 
! people crossing the wire on the grounds that you had sent 
! them over deliberately?
! 
! Grese: You can think what you like, but it is a lie, and it
! is wrong.
! 
! [...]
! 
! Colonel Backhouse: Gertrud Diament [a survivor] in her 
! deposition said that your favorite habit was to beat women
! until they fell to the ground and then kick them as hard
! as you could with your heavy boots?
! 
! Grese: That is a lie. Perhaps it is her habit to lie.
! 
! 
! 
! So, an accused Nazi calling the survivors, and a senior
! member of the British counsel for the prosecution, "liars".

In light of the entire trials this is nothing.

! Gee. And our "revisionist scholars" have been telling us
! all along that these were "show trials", in which the accused
! Nazis were "told what to say", bla-bla.
! 
! "Revisionists". What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars.

Dan Keren the six year old, meow, meow.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Sep 28 22:33:22 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! Jeffrey  writes:
! 
! # Known around the world for her famous diary 
! # [her diary is a FAKE, the creation of her father - JR],
! 
! In 1981, the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation submitted
! Anne Frank's handwritten diaries to the Dutch State Forensic Science
! Laboratory of the Ministry of Justice to determine their authenticity.
! The State Forensic Science Laboratory examined the materials used--
! the ink, paper, glue, etc.--and the handwriting and issued a report of
! some 270 pages.  "The report of the State Forensic Science Laboratory
! has convincingly demonstrated that both versions of the diary of Anne
! Frank were written by her in the years 1942 to 1944.  The allegations
! that the diary was the work of someone else (after the war or
! otherwise) are thus conclusively refuted."  Furthermore, that "despite
! corrections and omissions..._The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank_ [i.e., the
! published version of the diaries] does indeed contain `the essence' of
! Anne's writings, and that there are no grounds on which the term
! `forgery' can be applied to the work of the editors or publishers of
! the book." <1>

And what lead them to this conclusion?  What about the ball point
pen, not yet invented, what about her father handwriting the work?

! 1.  Anne Frank, _The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank:_The_Critical_Edition_,
!  Prepared by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation,
!  edited by David Barnouw and Gerrold Van Der Stroom, (New York,
!  Doubleday, 1989) p. 166.

I recall reading through one of the large editions of the book,
and it claimed that the Diary was proven not a forgery, using
similar verbiage to what you quoted above, no details of course.

So her father penned the book, and with no details whatsoever,
the conclusion is the book is genuine.  I don't recall it being 
mentioned that it is a felony in the Netherlands to claim that 
the book is a forgery.  So it may have been impossible for the 
above mentioned lab to reach a verdict of "unproven" without the 
lab workers being charged with a crime.

! # Several weeks later, in the face of the advancing Soviet
! # army, Anne --along with thousands of other Jewish prisoners -- 
! # was evacuated by rail from Auschwitz more than four hundred 
! # miles westward to the Bergen-Belsen camp in northwestern Germany. 
! 
! In which she was murdered.

The mere fact that it is a felony in Germany to claim otherwise,
raises suspicion by thoughtful people, especially Libertarians,
that the Holocaust did not occur as the state claims it did.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 00:35:13 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: Why I don't believe the Holocuast
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In <52g9vv$o76@news.ios.com> Beth  writes:

!  I was married for 7 years to a Jew,(Ira) and lived in Israel for most of 
! them. When people thought I was Jewish,they spoke openly. Most don't 
! believe the Holocaust any more than Enst Zundel. It's just one of many 
! ways to manipulate Goy. The hate was to much and was one of many reasons 
! I left my exhusband. For all that I hear and read of the evil Nazi, I can 
! tell you through experience, Israel and the Zionist ARE the most racist, 
! anti religios bigots on earth.
! 
!  So many of the conversations were around how smart the Jews were and how 
! they are taking over the world, yet let a non-Jew say that and all hell 
! brakes loose. They bragg about controlling Russia and America. They bragg 
! about pushing Palestinians off their land. They bragg about the murder of 
! Jesus. Hate, hate and then more hate, they live it, breathe it and wallow 
! in it.
! 
!   Then there is their Talmud !!!! Our son was being braught up Jewish. I 
! wasn't religious and in love,stupid me, so I let the rabbi teach him. He 
! would come home with so much brainwashing I desided to read what he was 
! learning. MY God, the Jews really DO worship Lucifer. It's not an 
! anti-semitic lie that they are the seed of Satin. It's true and you can 
! read any of the Talmud to prove it.
! 
!   Just take a Barmitzvah, the rabbi, after circumcizing, takes some wine 
! into his mouth, places his mouth over the penis and then sucks the blood 
! out, then he spits it into a contaner. The blood is then used in a holy 
! blessing. I wonder what Pat Robertson would say about that ?
! 
!   I've been in conversations were 45 year olds claim to be holocaust 
! victims. And then there are all those brave Nazi hunters in Israel. The 
! bragging is endless when it comes to ripping off non-Jews, it's a rite of 
! passage and a badge of honor to steal from Goy.

Political psychology is an interesting subject.  The *Mass*.  It's
rumored that billions a year are spent on *subliminal* research.
And billions a year are spent on advertising research.  It can't
be up to any good.


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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! You ask what Pat Robertson would say? Why does what a Christian's opinion
! matter in Jewish ritual? Why does this offend you so much, when Catholics
! ritually drink the blood and eat the body of Jesus every Sunday?

Uh, no.  And what they really do is not sucking baby penises.  Gross.
And I don't Pat Robertson cares one way or the other about either.


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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! The "revisionists" often claim that the memoir of Rudolph Hoess,
! commandant of Auschwitz, was "dictated" to him during his trial
! in Poland. According to the "revisionists", the Poles and Soviets
! told Hoess what to write. Naturally, they offer no proof of this.
! 
! Looking at the memoir, we see that Hoess writes, among other
! things, that:
! 
! 1) The Soviet POW's in Auschwitz behaved like a herd of animals.
!    Hoess writes that they practiced cannibalism, and often killed
!    each other for a piece of bread.
! 
! Can anyone offer any rational explanation as to why the Soviets
! would "dictate" something like this to Hoess? 

Was there something anti-Soviet in that statement?  It would seem
to arouse hatred at the mistreatment of the Soviet POWS, no?
And could it be that the dictation was not 100%?

! Hoess also writes that -
! 
! 2) The Polish inmates were constantly engaged in violent clashes
!    among themselves, while trying to reach a higher status in the
!    inmate hierarchy. He even says that many of them intentionally
!    infected others with spotted fever and typhus, which resulted
!    in the death of the infected person.
!    
! Can anyone offer any rational explanation as to why the Poles
! would "dictate" something like this to Hoess? 
! 
! Hoess also writes that -
! 
! 3) The total number of deaths in Auschwitz was about 1.2 million
!    (a rather accurate estimation). But the Soviets and the Poles
!    claimed at that time, and years later, that 4 million people
!    were murdered in the camp.
! 
! Can anyone offer any rational explanation as to why the Poles
! and Soviets would "dictate" to Hoess a figure far lower than
! the one they gave? Had they "dictated" his memoir to him, they
! would obviously tell him to give a figure similar to theirs. But
! Hoess not only gives a far lower figure, he also mocks the higher
! estimates!
! 
! The obvious conclusion is that Hoess' memoir was not "dictated"
! to him. The claim that it was is just one more insane
! "revisionist" conjecture, unsupported by any evidence and
! contradicting basic logic.

The dictation may not be 100% by others.
And the tight security for decades of solitary confinement
for Hoess, naturally raises suspicions.

Care to explain why he was imprisoned in the manner that he was?
I heard some pretty bad explainations for this.


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In <52kpjp$i3s@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

! In message <52ivn1$ija@news.ios.com> - Greg Matson 28
! Sep 1996 10:46:57 GMT writes:
! :>
! :>
! :> The super hero Ken McVay will not debate Winston Smith on the fraud of 
! :>the Holocaust. Mcvay has retruned all Smith's e-mail and has run like the 
! :>communist pinko he is, with his tail behind his liberal legs.
! :>
! :> Winston Smith being an adult is too much for McVay and Nizkor, they are 
! :>used to juming on kids. Like the frauds they are, they hid behind 
! :>bullshit attacts on children.
! :>
! :> Come on Mcvey, that is if that's your real name, you scream about Enst 
! :>Zundel ducking you, stop ducking Winston Smith ! Or are you and Nizkor 
! :>to scared of him ? That's it, your all full of shit and know hell prove 
! :>it to the world.
! 
! Leck mich am Arsch, H*ber.
! 
! 
! --
! Gord McFee
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In <5236g2$f31@gyda.ifi.uio.no> christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund) writes:

! > We have another resident meathead it would seem.
! > Europeans have wet and some other category, whereas mongoliods have dry
! > and flaky.  These are not hard and fast rules, but I suspect that the
! > exceptions are more due to an element of mongelisation than with 
! > unexpected freaks of nature.
! 
! May I suggest an experiment?
! 
! Everyone reading this post can save up a day or two's worth of earwax. Scrape
! it out, place it in a ziplock bag, label it with our user name, and snail it 
! to Ouro. Then Ouro can tell each and every one of use which "race" he or she
! belongs to, judging by the earwax.

Earwax is just a small example of racial differences.  Every organ in the
body has strong racial differences.  You Mongoloids are a mess, a bag
of muck.

Now you idiots don't even understand the difference between skin color,
ethnithitty, race and nationality.  Like what would you call Richard
Allen Davis?  He's Native American (actually the English are the true
Native Americans) by people, Oriental by race, white by census.  A true
hero of the Sitting Bulls, the Aztlans, the Geronimos.  A true hero
of the anti-racists, strangling the child, member of the racist people.
What they'll do to all of us if we don't stop them.


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In <527srh$f8a@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! >>You owe it to yourself to understand how and why the White Nationalist
! >>"movement" can do what it does.  Only by understanding what the White Power
! >>fanatics believe can they be overcome.
! 
! > And how is that, exactly? I don't like the word "overcome." "Countered" 
! > and "defanged" are more the nonviolent style. 
! 
! I understand your point.  My use of the word "overcome" was not intended
! to imply methods of direct action.  However, while MOST racists in the
! "movement" are fairly benign, and can be merely ridiculed and laughed at
! (such as net.imbecile "Dave Harman"), there are a few who might have to be
! dealt with in a more "direct" fashion.  Further, active measures (of a
! legal and constitutional nature, of course) must be taken to counter the
! recruiting tactics of the White Trash Power "movement" to capture young

So you don't like white trash, eh?  Your never going to find a woman
with your hateful attitude.  You should see a psychiatrist about that
anger.  I recommend Paxil.

! people into its ranks.  Most importantly, to counter recruiting efforts
! effectively, one must be properly and accurately informed of what he or
! she is dealing with -- reading ADL publications (which are usually
! propaganda with an agenda, not scholarly educational materials) or
! attending the latest "diversity" seminar taught by someone blinded by
! ideology won't cut it.  The best way to understand the Problem and affect
! solutions is to study the publications (such as TTD) and methods which are
! used as recruiting tools. 
! 
! > As the Turner Diaries themselves show, overreacting to unpopular cranks
! > by trying to repress them only serves their ends. 
! 
! Correct.  Morris Dees' efforts to censor _The Turner Diaries_ gave Pierce
! ever more publicity and a larger market for his wares.  Is Dees really
! that dumb?  Don't answer that.

He may be stupid, but that doesn't keep him from sitting on a $120,000,000+
cash pile from his suckers of his donors.  That he may face a class action
suit by his own donors has never occured to him.

! Lyle Stuart, like Pierce, may be in the deal for the sake of money, but
! his argument in the Preface is correct: the more normal people who read
! _the Turner Diaries_, the better.  I'd say 95% of the literate American
! public who read the book are appalled by the callous hatred and heinous
! atrocities glorified within its covers.  If everyone knew the Problem, the
! solution would be easy. 

What problem?  An impotent movement threatens nobody, as you claim.
BTW, the notorious Crusader spam Aug 95 was definately done by 
someone not involved in the movement, your rebuttals were quite
clueless.  That was a major crime, involving cracking systems, rather
than the "threat" posted recently that no one took seriously, posted
>from  the JAM remailer, though a couple regulars pretended it was done
by movement people.

! > Unless they initiate force, you just gotta accept it as free speech and
! > assembly...
! 
! Correct.  I'm all for free speech, as long as it remains _speech_. 
! Ironically, the best spokesmen AGAINST the White Trash Power "movement"
! are the very spokesmen who claim to speak for it -- like "Davey."
! 
! > Actually, since it's a bit unwieldy to read books online, this might end
! > up being nothing more than a sales pitch. But it's nice that non-racists
! > who would not otherwise buy the book can take a quick look to see what the
! > fuss is all about. I recommend Chapters 7 and 11. Oh yeah, and it's funny
! > that not even Alpha (which was otherwise a very clever sting operation) 
! > provides the address where you can buy TTD. 
! 
! It could very well be that the distribution of _The Turner Diaries_ online
! in many cases becomes a marketing method (though Dr. No doesn't seem to
! realize that), but I believe that its easy, free availability online as it
! is presently allows many more normal people to take a look as you point
! out, and become aware of the Problem.  I'd personally recommend the
! Epilog.  Law enforcement people especially should take a look.

Get the Paxil, soon.


Creative writing class:

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748


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In <843763460.22133.0@ont1-135.up.net> Schoedel  writes:

! >I'd buy him a beer. One. A light beer. Milton deserves a Guinness (but
! >again, only one).
! 
! Gee, thanks Rich, buddy!  Next round's on me. :-)
! 
! Schoedel 

Now you've taken up drinking?  You didn't before!


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In <324A7FBC.58CF@ccnis.net> "Annie Alpert, OFB"  writes:

! "Allowed to particiapte" are the key words here.  Don only lets those
! particiapte whom He deems worthy.  I subscribed to Stormfront-L a few
! months ago, but when _I_ tried to post I was rejected because I wasn't a
! beleiver.  The note I tried to post was perfectly friendly,
! conversational and appropriate--but Don put on his God-hat and decided I
! wasn't the kind of perosn he wanted on his list.
! 
! Of course, if anyone tried to censor Don Black, I'm sure he would kick
! up a holy fuss.

Being able to distribute an e-mail list is not the same as having
access to the New York Times.  That the media monopoly construes
to prevent free speech is a serious issue of worldwide importance.
No one is preventing the speech of you or especially of your rather
pedestrian views.

Thank you for your efforts.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:10:23 PDT 1996
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In  jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) writes:

! There are communities of white racists in Idaho now, I believe. Please

Boy, the television does not give an accurate picture of racial matters
in America.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:23 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: More on Andrew Mathis, Legal and Illegal
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In <522c0m$hqe@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

Please crosspost any and all threads with fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis)
to soc.culture.jewish and soc.culture.israel .

Thank you for making the net a better place.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:24 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: More on Immigration, Legal and Illegal
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In <522c0m$hqe@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! More like the bigotry of assholes like George Lehmann have given black
! people in this so little self-respect that having babies is the only
! way that these kids can feel any sort of control over what happens to
! them.

Yeah, racists are *forcing* Black people to have children.  I heard
similar arguments to explain high birth rates in the third world.
Leftists are so stupid, ya gotta love 'em.

! BTW, there are pregnant teenagers of all races.  My all-white high
! school lost 5-10 students a year due to teenage pregnancy.  A girl I

Eh?  All white school?  NYC?!???????  You mean all Jewish school, I
suppose?  It must have been private.  You rich?  Most of the true
white kids goto Catholic schools in NYC, from what I hear.
The Berkeley schools are now ~80%, was ~55% non-white in my day.
Oh, I been to Jewish private school around here, and no one could ever
convince me that Jews are intelligent, probably average less than 
whites.

! graduated with, from a nice Jewish family with a six-figure income,
! had had so many abortions by the time she was 17 that she HAD to give
! birth to her son because another abortion would render her sterile.

So there's rich Jewish sluts, any doubts?  How many abortions anyway?
The average Soviet women has had seven abortions in her life.  If
Soviet abortions don't sterilize women, I doubt a lesser number of
American abortions would.

! >centric values and mores. Also those Negroes in the Deep South, where
! >the climate is not markedly different from their places of origin
! >(Anyone who has been to New Orleans in August knows what I mean), have
! >far less negative impact on society that the Negro in a truly alien

Eh?  New Orleans, Atlanta, Birmingham, etc., are as terrorized by Black
people as anywhere else.

! >environment, like New York, Detroit, or Los Angeles. 
! 
! What's "alien" about New York (2 million blacks), Detroit (about 80%
! black) or Los Angles (the most racially diverse city in America)?

Unamerican.

! >Scant wonder that
! >Race-Memory (or Collective-Unconsious, if you prefer) survival
! >patterns should be most prevalent in these alien environments.
! 
! What are you adopting Junging jargon you clearly don't understand to
! try to say?  Remember--Jung's teacher was a Jew...

So was Herman Goering's.  Maybe your trying to say that Jewish
teachers cause antisemitism?

! >   Inducements to incourage participation for a population exchange?
! >Terminating ALL welfare and adopting Singapore's penal code. Let's try
! >to head off a disaster before it happens. We don't want 2014 to be a
! >replay of 1914, do we?

It's simple why inducements won't work.  They don't care.  A racist
government actually needs to be in power for such a scheme to be
possible.  The Singapore penal code won't work, how about making
the penalty for all crimes castration and eyeball removal?  It 
wouldn't take long after that, especially if the laws against
swearing in public places and littering are enforced.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:25 PDT 1996
Article: 31656 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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In <52j4bq$n99@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> talk2me1  writes:

! After years of reading the racist propaganda published in this
! Newsgroup, I couldn't hold it in any longer.  First, if one is truly
! "superior", they need not shout slogans and wave banners proclaiming
! their greatness.  Secondly, one of superiority need not degrade
! others, by thought, word, or deed.   By performing these actions, one
! can clearly be diagnosed as having an inferiority complex!
! Supremacists would be well served to "clean their own house" before
! focusing on others.  Overt racism,  militia & paramilitary groups,
! domestic terrorism...?  One must ask those claiming superiority,  why?
! Denial of the Holocaust?  Sociopathic behavior?  The White identity
! crisis?  The irony of it all!  Tell me, why is it that White Americans
! spend billions of dollars annually on equipment,  products, and
! services to make themselves appear darker (e.g. tanning beds, creams,
! salons, etc.)?  Why is it that one would lay in the direct sun for
! hours, knowing in advance the cancerous effect of ultra-violet
! sunlight?  Why is it that White Americans inject collagen into their
! lips and implant prosthetics into their cheeks to simulate "Negroid"
! features?  Why is it that thousands of Whites die each year from
! eating disorders (i.e. bulimia and anorexia nervosa)?  Identity
! issues???  Why is it that the overwhelming majority of serial killers
! & mass murderers are White (e.g. Gacy, Dahmer, Harvey, Bundy, Manson,
! Kraft, Speck, Berkowitz, etc., etc.)?  Why is it that over 92% of
! pedophiles who have served time, then re-offend, are White?  Why is it
! that over 89% of fraud crimes against elderly Whites are committed by
! other Whites?  Why is it that although current Federal prison
! statistics show over 60% of inmates are White (and 38% are Black),
! people generally think the reverse is true?  Why is it that in most
! competitive sports, White Americans are so athletically inferior?  Why
! is there such a lack of originality and creativity in White America?
! For example: in the past few years, in how many different contexts
! have you heard the phrase "Dream Team"; or, how many movies have you
! seen released as a sequel; or, how many TV shows have you seen with
! the same basic plot?  Why is it that Whites (primarily in Southern &
! Mid-Western America) top national statistics in verified cases of
! incest between primary and secondary family members?  Why is it that
! over 28% of young White females only pursue and date Black males?  Why
! is it that although U.S. Census reports show 6 times more Whites than
! Blacks receive welfare (AFDC), people generally think the reverse is
! true?  To the "superior" ones, pull your heads out of the sand, stop
! whining, and wake up!  "Reverse discrimination"?  "The angry white
! male"?  What a joke!  The time for propaganda has ended.  Stick to the
! facts.  Clearly, other groups have problems; however, you must
! realize, accept, and deal with your own short-comings.  If you really
! want to uplift your race, open your heart and mind rather than consume
! yourself in hatred and negativity.
! 
! J.P.D.
! 
! References: United States Department of Commerce, Bureau of the
! Census; "Forensic Psychology & Serial Killers",
! http://cedar.evansville.edu/%7Epl5/; "The Internet Crime Archives",
! http://mayhem.net/Crime/archives.html; "Racism and Affirmative
! Action", http://www.mdle.com/WrittenWord/rholhut/holhut20.htm;
! "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (DSM-III-R),
! 3rd Edition - Revised; "Eating Disorders", http://www.eyeonwomen.com/
! eating.htm; United States Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice;
! Stat-USA, http://www.stat-usa.gov/Statistics; United States Department
! of Justice, Bureau of Federal Prisons,http://www.usdoj.gov/bop/
! facts.html#Race; National Archive of Criminal Justice Data (NACJD)
! Crime Statisticts, http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/nacjd/archive.html

Your entire entire post points out how whites are oppressed by color.
Racism is our only friend.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:25 PDT 1996
Article: 31659 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! >How about we start with removing your filthy hide from the streets?  You
! >seriously believe the trash you talk above?

Why, do you?

! It's certainly nothing different than the sort of stuff you used to
! post, and put up -- literally -- dozens of megabytes of on your web
! page.
! 
! Of course, you've "reformed" now.  Anybody buying?

Ron, you interested in sucking Joel's penis?  He's buying if your selling.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:26 PDT 1996
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In <3247EA90.1CCA@odyssee.net> Maverick  writes:

! Racism does not have its place on the internet, who do u believe you are to talk about 
! humans that way! It is people like this who make are world the hell it is!

Are you familiar with American movies?  Then shut up.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:40:10 PDT 1996
Article: 45095 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
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In <524ja2$7ns@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> Laura Finsten  writes:

! Save "your race" from what, Mr. Whitaker?  If "your race" is more than
! "white skin", then what exactly is saved by instituting a "racially"
! homogeneous state?

Why your silly!  Race effects every organ in the body, especially
the brain!  It's more than just skin color.

! I find your equation of integration with Hitler's Final Solution
! offensive beyond belief, but I'm sure you know that.  Integration does
! not *force* people to marry and/or have children with individuals whose 
! skin colour, religion or ethnic background is a different from their own.
! Integration does not set out to actively exterminate entire groups of 
! people because they are subhuman.

The status quo does not yet contain the mandatory annilation of the
race.  Yet, it is mathematically certain that whites are planned to 
be reduced to a small impoverished oppressed minority.  Why do you 
want the race to wait until we are a minority before waking up to 
the fact that color is *serious* about wiping us out, it really 
wasn't a joke after all?

! So what is it about "white skin" that means it must endure beyond all
! costs, Mr. Whitaker?  What is it about "white skin" that is more important
! than the ideals enshrined in your country's constitution?  

Better question:  Why leave the field of racial hatred to the 
anti-racists?  Why can't whites be as racist as the Asians and
the Africans?  Why give up our birthright?


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:40:11 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
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In <52do1k$5or@news1.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:

! :    It's standard stuff for folks like you.  I have have heard clones ,
! : when they see a dozen white kids together, say with a sneer, "They're
! : all white!", as if it were a crime.  Your wanting lots of lots of Third
! : Worlders in Canada is the same sort of thing.  There just can't be any
! : white places in your world.
! 
! May we have citations, otherwise some of us might conclude that you
! are making this up.

Are you isolated enough to believe this public anti-white atitude isn't 
common?  In San Diego?!????

! OK, who or what are whites?

Feebleheads need not apply.

! : As I have have said over and over, you so-called "integration" is aimed
! : at imtegrating only race, and only in every single majority-white part
! : of the world.  It is aimed entirely at whites.   It is targetted and it
! : is genocide.
! 
! Your evidence for these assertions is?

It's called demographics, fool.

! And your mental age is six.

He's pretty smart for six.  And he knows what whites are.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Sep 29 09:40:12 PDT 1996
Article: 45137 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: The Criminalization of Freedom of Association
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In <324B153E.4189@intersurf.com> evil Beavis  writes:

! It was made very hard beacuse of people like you. Not to mention
! potentially very dangerous. We will never revert to the days when
! cowardly bigots ran this country and killed and terrorized in the South
! with impunity.

Already happened.  The bigots are called anti-racists.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 30 07:33:43 PDT 1996
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! > The World Jewish Congress is fighting to becomes Europes biggest
! > land grabbers.  This will not be forgotten at Mr. Bronfman's 
! > Trial.
!  
! You know, Mr. Harman, my father has made quite a nice living diagnosing
! people like you.
!  
! Your obsessive need to attack Edgar Bronfman clearly shows an unbalanced mind.

That he diagnoses anti-capitalism as a mental disease, tells something
about him.

! Why it is? Were you frightened by a Seagram's bottle as a small child?

I sort of liked 7&7's once, but I'm not doing that again.

Mr. Bronfman is doing some crooked things of global importance, such
as his land grabs in Eastern Europe, his hatred of the poor.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 30 09:10:51 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: ANOTHER "movement" activist resigns! Colin denounces the "movement"
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In <52i6ed$akp@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:

! The way forward is not to join some local branch of the local loony-bin
! club. The movement could serve White People better by terminating itself.
! Instead of defiling the nobility of Aryana, and playing the clown before
! the eyes of others, it should die. Of course, many of those in the current
! movement will fall by the wayside - because the right step for Aryana is
! not kissing Pierce's ass. The right step to take is to get yourself
! educated, get yourself set up in life. Teach your children well, and
! encourage them too to be successful. Control your own life, don't let
! Pierce control it for you. (But then again, if you are dumb enough to
! allow yourself to be so controlled, perhaps you deserve it.) The current
! "movement" does nothing for the progression of our People, except to
! identify the easily-duped. As such, it serves only as a sewer - a sewer
! which is stinks to all who refuse to dwell in it. This sewer needs a good
! hosing. This is my contribution to the clean-up effort. 

And we're supposed to secure our rights by being completely isolated
and unorganized?  What sort of political activism is that?

! There are many who will be dramatically insulted by what I have said.

How?  You slag a few individuals and deny that racial movements are
possible.  We've heard it all before, it's nothing new, really.
And the implications that activism precludes family, is simply stupid.

! Colin R. Cooper, (former Lieutenant, Aryan Corps)

Former Lieutenant of a non-existent organization?


Creative writing for the sexually depived page:

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bb748


From qut@netcom.com Mon Sep 30 12:24:27 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bonehead racists
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In <52mhs8$fen@btc1.up.net> Schoedel  writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
! 
! >Now you've taken up drinking?  You didn't before!
! 
! I didn't? :-)  Seriously though, I am hardly a drunkard. 

Apologies.  I was thinking of someone else.  And I'm quite a drunk.


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In <52mt3b$5f7@orion.cybercom.net> amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) writes:

! O.k. Mr. "Stone"  please tell me if I'm white enough for you based on the 
! following:
! 
! 1.  I guess I have long, thin fingers  (you've never defined "long")
! 2.  I guess I have a long, thin nose (you've never defined "long")
! 3.  Some of my veins are visible through my skin (but you've never defined how 
! many veins are enough to qualify)
! 4.  I guess I  blush visibly (you've never defined how visible it must be)
! 5. I guess my earwax is sticky (but you've enver defined "sticky")
! 6.  The outer cover of my forebrain is very furrowed (I've got an MRI scan to 
! prove it) (but you've never quantified the qualification)
! 7. I guess I have a long skull (you've never defined "long")
! 
! 
! Well, do I make the grade or not?
! 
! Never mind that I can show I'm 100% Welsh.

Feeblehead.  Welsh are white.  You sound "other."

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