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From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec  3 09:47:45 PST 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Mass Rape-Mass Lies!
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In article <329BB69E.6659@netcom.ca>, Alex Seredin  says:

>Moslems have great respect for the
>religions of others. (snip), but you have never heard a true 
>Moslem run down your Orthodox religion and your churches, 
>or your Holy Book.
>

Oh, bull.  "The Koran or the sword."  

I can say the same thing about Christians.  But I also
know about the Albigensian Crusades ("Kill them all; God
will know their own.")  In almost any century, the majority
of violent deaths is due to one religion trying to suppress
another.  And it goes on today (look at Israel) without
any slowdown.  A religion presecuted in one generation will
go on to presecute another religion, often within the same 
generation.

The meek shall inherit the earth because that is the only
way they will get it.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec  3 09:47:49 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Heaven and Hell
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In article <32a714df.65226921@localhost>, dvv@dvv.ru (Dima Volodin) says:
>
>Ему не нужна американская жена
>                Колибри
>
>Or, for Russian-impared:
>
>He doesn't need an American wife
>                Kolibri

Who does?  Worse than a JIP.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec  3 09:47:51 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: German Occupation
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>>One the other hand, there are also german troops in the US and in
>>Canada. Conspiracy theorists are scared like crazy.

The USA has remained an occupying army since W.W.II.  No one can
really deny that.  The US Army has been on the Rhine longer than
the Romans.

What are they doing there?  Another question.  But when sending
troops to Bosnia, Haiti and other countries we should withdraw 
them from a few.  At last count, the USA had occupying armed 
forces in 55 countries.

Jimmy Carter withdrew our army from Korea.  Right?  No, 200
left with great fanfare and 5,000 were added quietly.  A lot
like Bosnia.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec  3 09:47:53 PST 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: German National Anthem
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In article <199612022312.a6344@bir.maus.de>, gerhard_lenssen@bir.maus.de (Gerhard Lenssen) says:
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>Hello Patricia
>> write it down-so forgive me for asking it again. I know the anthem 
>> is from one of Haydn's works but I don't know which one- I would 
>> really like to buy it

>it's the socalled "Kaiserquartett", a quartett for strings, from Josef
>Haydn (C-major, op.76,3) composed 1797.

Yes, but remember that the "Kaiser" was the Austrian Emperor, as
in the first words: "Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser".

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec  3 09:47:54 PST 1996
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In article <199612022317.a6345@bir.maus.de>, gerhard_lenssen@bir.maus.de (Gerhard Lenssen) says:
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>>
>> The USA has remained an occupying army since W.W.II.  No one can
>> really deny that.  The US Army has been on the Rhine longer than
>> the Romans.

>this would be true, if they remain here still 350 years more!

Keep watching.  :-)

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec  3 11:43:05 PST 1996
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In article <57pidf$82j@portal.gmu.edu>, "E.F.Schelby"  says:
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>
>msmall@roanoke.infi.net (Marc James Small) wrote:

>>the Carl Zeiss Jena plant in East Germany was not only looted 
>>but a chunk of the workers were hauled off to Kiev ... efforts 
>>are being made to contact 
>>these guys for their tales. Interesting stuff.
>
>Yes, it would be interesting to hear their stories.

Keep in mind that the USA got to Jena first.  The USA
took (stole, if you will) everything they wanted, including
workers.  The looting of Zeiss, Jena was headed by Zemke,
who wrote a full account in "Zemke's Stalag".  435 individuals,
plus several train loads of equipment, were moved to near
Munich.

The USSR was very upset about the fact "that the best of
Zeiss had been snatched from underneath their noses."  Zemke
had to leave quickly to avoid arrest.   

GFH





From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec  3 11:43:06 PST 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
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L.E.Campagna. wrote:
 
> If Hitler had some how concluded in March or April 1942 
> that he could not have defeated the Soviet Union, Britain 
> and the U.S. What would have been the price of peace for 
> Germany?

As I believe has been pointed out, 1942 was too late.  In fact, 
Hitler did try to achieve a peace with England between September,
1940 and the spring of 1941.

Churchill rebuffed any suggestions of peace.  One can discuss
why, but it seems clear that the "war or peace" question was
in the hands of England, not Germany.

GFH




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In article <57si9t$dks@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, cnielsen@imada.ou.dk (Carl
Alex Friis Nielsen) says:

>How do you define an act of resistance ?

A very key question.  I knew Arie Bestebrutjie of the Dutch
Army and used by the SOE for eight drops into the occupied
Netherlands.  He said that the problem was NOT the lack of
active support for his activities, but the level of passive
acceptance (often active acceptance, if one counts refusal
to talk in the face of acts of retaliation).

He said that the passive acceptance of 85% of the population 
was necessary.  so, by his standard, and he was there, 85%
of the population had to be in the resistance.

GFH
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From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Dec  5 06:15:52 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Convert a german text file into  a TeX source file.
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In article <5831d7$nnl@gemini.res.otaru-uc.ac.jp>, k-sato@ksato-s.otaru-uc.ac.jp (Koh Sato) says:

>  I have a text file sent by a german, which contains some 
>unreadable characters (maybe) specific to german. 

Yes there are seven.  As you probably use ASCII, they are
Э, Д, Ж, э, д, ж and ъ.  These characters may be written
as ue, ae, oe, Ue, Ae, Oe and ss.  Anyone with any
familiarity with German will be able to provide the correct
special letter, or dual letter replacement, from the 
rest of the letters in the word.  Even Эъ (uess) will
cause no problem.  In fact, I don't think that there is
any case in which there is more than one credible solution.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Dec  7 12:28:38 PST 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Steffi Graf
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In article <586h7o$mgi@bcalpha.estec.esa.nl>, Michael Khan  says:
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>The best .... what?
>

Overall, I would suggest Chris Evert.  Down 1 set and 5-0 in the 
second, she came back to win.  

That is GUTS!!!  Any other player would have dropped the last
game and taken the loss.  Yes, even Steffi.

GFH 



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In article <57sa99$3p2@portal.gmu.edu>, Grisha  wrote:
>I was wondering what people thought the most amazing single feat of 
>arms was in ww2

The German airborne invasion of Crete.  6,000 airborne troops, 
without any sea lift support, invaded Crete, which was defended
by 23,000 British troops, who were supplied by sea at the rate
of 3,000 tons a day (true, 30,000 were shipped and 90% were
sunk), plus countless Greek soldiers and local defenders.

The Germans had no tanks, the British had two.  The Germans 
had no heavy weapons, no antitank guns.  The airport was
held by the British.  Yet the Germans won, albeit with 25%
dead, plus other casualties.

GFH
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From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Dec  9 17:00:22 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: stuessy?
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> what the hell is "stuessy"?

It means "good bye".  Don't use it.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec 10 07:18:07 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Usage of "American" for person from USA (was: Re: America vs Britain)
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The two words are not really interchangeable.

American is either a noun for a person coming from the USA or
an adjective.

USA is a place, and not regularly used in English to identify a 
person from the USA.  "A USA citizen" is not usual; "an American
citizen" is.

America = USA to most English speakers -- but North America
includes Canada and Mexico.

GFH




From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Dec 10 07:18:07 PST 1996
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In article <58ia47$edj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, mbohlman@students.uiuc.edu (michael charles bohlmann) says:

>I'm translating a piece of text into German and have come upon the 
>following stumbling block.  I haven't been able to think of a 
>graceful German construction to handle this.  Any suggestions?
>
>"By listening to the farmers express their need for a source for 
>quality, dependable, new replacement parts for agricultural 
>implements, the seed was planted."

Ah, but the English is not graceful.  In fact it is a poor
mixture of metaphor an analogy.  I am not really sure I 
understand what the author meant; I am not really sure
the author understood what he was trying to say.

No translation can be good with this for an Urtext. :-)

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Dec 15 13:05:08 PST 1996
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In article <199612112224.a6525@bir.maus.de>, gerhard_lenssen@bir.maus.de (Gerhard Lenssen) says:
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>>
>> OK, I give it a try:
>>
>> Er folgte dem Wunsche der Bauern nach qualitativ hochwertigen und
>> zuverlaessigen neuen Ersatzteilen fuer Ackerbaugeraete und pflanzte
>> die Saat. (or "liess die Saat pflanzen" - it is not clear who's done
>> it.)
>eben knarrte es hier bei mir furchtbar; nach kurzem Suchen stellte ich
>fest, dass Goethe sich im Grabe umgedreht hatte.
>

I am still trying to understand what the author was trying 
to say (albeit incoherently) in English.  How can one
translate into another language that which is not clear in
the original language?

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Dec 15 13:05:09 PST 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: translation suggestions?
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>> "By listening to the farmers express their need for a source for 
>> quality, dependable, new replacement parts for agricultural 
>> implements, the seed was planted."
>
>I think you misunderstood the English meaning. 

The English meaning is FAR from clear.

>"The seed was planted" probably referred to an idea that the person 
>had to help the farmers with their needs. Would this fit into the 
>context? 

I suggest that what was probably meant was that "By listening
to ...., I got the idea for my business (or whatever)."  But
the incongruity between the subordinate clause and the
independent clause is profound.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Dec 16 22:51:36 PST 1996
Article: 92439 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Usage of "American" for person from USA (was: Re: America vs Britain)
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In article <32B5A235.2781@cs.colorado.edu>, Vega Paithankar  says:

>Interestingly, some of my South and Central American friends don't
>consider themselves "Americans."


Neither do I.  ;-)

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Wed Dec 25 15:52:03 PST 1996
Article: 92893 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Czech-German Agreement.  Who Cares?
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Does anyone in German care about this issue?  It seems that
there is enough wrong for both sides to take a double 
serving.  

So what?  

Get on with life.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Dec 26 10:04:07 PST 1996
Article: 93015 of soc.culture.german
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Subject: Re: German Czech reconcilation
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In article <1996Dec24.003049.17919@lafn.org>, bc224@lafn.org (Clay Kemp) says:
>
>Finally we can see open discussion of not only what happened 
>during the war years but also what happened after those terrible 
>times.  

I tried a post on this subject.  Sadly, no one in Germany cares.

On second thought, perhaps that is good.  :-)

GFH



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In article <59jc7r$c9f@nina.pagesz.net>, Trevor Rankin  says:

>Weren't all members of Germany's armed forces during WWII members 
>of the Nazi party?  

Do you think that all members of the US armed forces during
WWII were members of the Democratic Party?

>And, if so, couldn't "Nazi" be used synonymously for "German"
>when referring to anything pertaining to the German armed forces?

Only if I can use "Democrat" as synonymous with"American".

GFH
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From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Dec 28 10:24:23 PST 1996
Article: 103604 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: There are no communists in Israel.
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In article <32c4494a.15277202@news.gnn.com>, leoben@gnn.com (Joe Grossinger) says:
>
>>There are no communists in Israel.
>
>No, the whole nation is just a huge gaggle of
>Socialism, kept afloat with US dollars.

It is an error to attribute to Isaelis the attitudes
of Americna Jews.  Yes, there are a lot of liberal
(socialist) people in Israel, but in general American
Jews are more socialist and liberal (in that they are
not forced to live under as socialist a regime as
Israelis.  And American Jews are almost all anti-
military, even though the USA military has been a
mainstay of Israel's military.  There are a lot of
militant Jews in Israel, and in general, the more
militant Jews in Israel draw their strongest 
support from the more anti-military Jews in the
USA.  

Go figure.  One might be tempted to say that 
Jews are their own worst enemy.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Dec 29 13:56:05 PST 1996
Article: 93195 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Small and big countries in the EU
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In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) says:
>
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
># Daniel Keren wrote:
>
>## Many mentally ill and retarded Germans were murdered in
>## the so-called "euthanasia" operation (for instance in
>## Hadamar and Hartheim).
>
># But hardly 2 million as claimed by Oscar.
>
>You're correct about that one. 

A few hundred thousand.  All together, the non-Jewish,
non-Polish, non-Russian and non-Gypsie holocaust deaths
were about 500,000.  They include the "euthanasia"
deaths and Germans of many other "unapproved" views.

GFH   




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