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From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Jul 25 09:14:09 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Holocaust
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Has there been an accurate count of the number?  6,000,000 Jews
was claimed early, the number sort of picked out of the air.

I have seen the following list:
6,000,000    Jews
5,000,000    Russians  (non-Jewish)
2,000,000    Poles  (non-Jewish)
  500,000    Gypsies
  500,000    others.

Is this close to correct?  It seems to count all deaths in various
detention camps.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Jul 25 11:35:50 PDT 1996
Article: 65045 of soc.culture.french
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: TWA B-747 @KJFK?
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In article <4t0vo6$q5l@frodo.ShireNet.com>, Chris Manteuffel  says:
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>msagara@rainbow.rmii.com (Martin Sagara) wrote:
>>Tom Betz (tbetz@panix.com) wrote:
>>: |What's the range of a Stinger?  How many of the Stingers the USA 
>>: |sent to Afghani "Freedom Fighters" in the 80's remain unaccounted for? 
>As I read it in Tom Clancys Armoured Cav, for the very latest production 
>model, it's 15 miles, and 11 miles up. Acording to CNN, the crash was 
>about 15 miles from Long Island, but of course, the range would be more if 
>the missle was on a boat. 


No, no, no.  Forget Tom Clancy, go with Janes.  Not high enough for
the TWA, 9400 geet vs the 13,000 to 14,000 feet of the TWA jst.

A shoulder fired SAM, yes.  A Stinger from Afghanistan, no.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Jul 25 11:35:52 PDT 1996
Article: 65056 of soc.culture.french
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: TWA B-747 @KJFK?
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In article <4t4em5$o9f@news1.ni.net>, colin@ni.net (Colin Campbell) says:

>
>I doubt any shoulder fired SAM has the legs to reach the jet at its
>altitude and speed.  

It was on take off, about 1/3 of normal altitude.

>In addition the warheads on shoulder fired sams
>are too small to instantly cause the breakup of the jet.  

A very interesting point.  I don't know how well modern commercial
jet aircraft take damage.  A hit in one of the engines might well
break the wing at that place, which would do it.  I was very
surprised at tha damage of PA 103.  The bomb was *very* small,
but the high altitude, coupled with the 0.8+ mach speed caused
almost complete breakup.

>If it were a
>missile them it would have to be a bigger, medium range SAM.

Perhaps yes, perhaps no.  I would suspect that a 'state of the art'
shoulder fired SAM could have been used.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Jul 25 20:01:53 PDT 1996
Article: 53199 of alt.revisionism
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Holocaust
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In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) says:
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>georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) writes:
>
># Has there been an accurate count of the number?  6,000,000 
># Jews was claimed early, the number sort of picked out of the air.
>
>Sigh. And your evidence that it was "sort of picked out of the air"?
>
>You have absolutely, positively, and totally no idea of how
>the figure was arrived at, right?
>
>So why do you claim it was "picked out of the air"?


Because I honestly think it was.

So you tell me how it was arrived at.  I believe that I heard the
number many decades ago.  It was current when I was at Cornell 
(Class of 58).  Frankly I do not think there was any accurate
count at that time.  IMHO, it was a guess, probably one about
as high as anyone would possibly believe.  I have heard explanations
based on "subtraction" (estimate Jewish population in the effected
areas before and after the Nazi era).

If you have any source (not just repetition of the number) please
post it.

BTW, in my opinion the number is not all that important.  Would three
million be significantly less horrible than six million?  Both are
absolutely atrocious.  Exaggeration hurts; it does not help.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Jul 30 20:36:08 PDT 1996
Article: 54406 of alt.revisionism
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: An Example Of Censorship By Copyright
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In article <4tj7ra$mcm@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Mark Ockerbloom) says:

>Because Hitler committed suicide in 1945, the copyright of the original
>_Mein Kampf_ has expired in countries where copyright runs for the
>author's lifetime plus 50 years.  (This does not include Germany,
>where copyright runs for the author's lifetime plus 70 years; nor does
>it include the United States; but it would include Canada and a number
>of other countries.)

Most copyright time limits wre 'grandfathered' in the USA.  Thus shorter
times were left short, and, I believe, in the 1920s the time limit was
not dependent on the life of the author, but a fixed time.  So _Mein 
Kampf_ is out of its copyright period.

But, as mentioned, translations have their own copyright.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Wed Jul 31 15:05:59 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
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Check out the new URL on these wonderful old German toys.
http://comet.net/personal/Georgeh/

GFH




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