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Received: by oneb.almanac.bc.ca (/\=-/\ Smail220.127.116.11 #18.33) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 95 22:07 PST Received: from epaus.island.net by port.island.net with smtp (Smail18.104.22.168 #4) id m0rmata-000ITHC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:36 PST Received: by epaus.island.net (Smail22.214.171.124 #4) id m0rmarC-000NTTC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:33 PST Message-Id: From: email@example.com (Ken McVay) Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:33:54 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 14029 Status: RO Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bc.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!openwx!eskimo!doyal From: email@example.com (Thomas Doyal) Subject: David Irving Part 1 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Message-ID: Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org (News User Id) Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 07:24:55 GMT Lines: 207 David Irving What you are about to read are facts the Holocaust lobby is desperately trying to hide from you. If it didn't mean a lot to them they wouldn't be beating up on the audiences of David Irving and terrorizing property owners where he is to speak. Their aim is terror. Their masters are desperate to hide the truth. The fate of Israel hangs on the holocaust lie. Why this is, is revealed by David Irving. The net terrorists will do their worst to try to destroy his credibility. But the facts are there. See for yourself. Doyal@eskimo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attempts to shut down Revisionist viewpoints has been world wide. They refuse to debate. They have issued an edict from Los Angeles or where ever the headquarters is saying, "On no account debate the Revisionists". On about 1970 or 1972 .. If you read the newspapers and books before 1970, you wont find the word "holocaust". You wont find the word being used then. But of course, since then, they've taken it over. Haven't they? They've taken over that word. Give it just that one meaning, Give it a capitol H at the front. You half expect to see a "tm" at the end of it because it has become a kind of trademark. It many sound tasteless but think about it. The way that concept is being packaged, and marketed to us. It is being packaged with all the expertise and finesse of Tylenol. Capital "T", capitol "H", a little tm at the end. Don't open the package you. You're not allowed to examine the contents. If you do you are a holocaust denier. You may think this an extraordinary thing. But they will not let us use any word but the word "denial". Because it makes us look like total twits. Because as the television media says, "Mr. Irving is accused of being a holocaust denier". Simultaneous they show the news reel film of the bulldozers, tipping the emaciated corpses into the pits. And the average tv viewer says "how can you deny it, we can see it with our own eyes." Eye witnesses, there is another phrase they use. Holocaust, holocaust denier, eye witnesses. Eye witness evidence. The very phrase "eye witness" implies there was something for those eyes to witness. Therefore for anyone to challenges those eyewitnesses is also some kind of incorrigible twit. Eye witness news, channel 7. It exists. Tankers burning on the Long Island expressway. Eye witness news. These things really happen. But eye witness reports, the only evidence that can be used against us... the dissident historians. I think they should be called "verbal testimony" or "oral statements" that is all they are, There is a subtle difference between "verbal statement" on one hand, and "eye witness report" on the other. That's how they do it. The other word I am going to examine before the end of my talk, is the fourth word they've taken over and injected into the main stream english language. And that is the word still written with a little "g" genocide. It is an important word because their whole cause revolves around that little word, "genocide". The real crimes, not only of WW2, but of all wars this century, and the times between the wars isn't genocide at all. For killing someone because of their race or religion. That isn't the crime that really concerns us. The real crime is what I call "innocencecide.". The killing of innocent people. This is the important factor. It is so simple when you consider it. What made the crimes of Auschwitz, or Dachau, or Bergen Belsen, or Buchenwald, or Hiroshima, or Dresden or Coventry a crime, was the innocence of the victims. What made the crime of Auschwitz, or what ever happened there at Babr Yar, was not their Jewishness, but their innocence. So why the word genocide? Well the word genocide has been invented to limit it to crimes against people because of their race. That way they exclude all the other people around the world who also suffered. By implication they are not entitled to any kind of compensation. This is what it all boils down to. This is why basically the whole campaign has be unleashed against me, and a hand full of others, over the last 5 or 6 years, I deeply regret making the mistake I made in 1988 when I first took this unexpected high road. In April 1988 when I gave evidence in a certain case in Toronto. It was a serious mistake, I never should have done it. Had I foreseen all this would happen to me and my family, then I never would have taken that step. I have to admit it. It is not one I would have willingly taken had I seen all this coming. But the English, and I say this immodestly, we have a certain characteristic. I remember Australian television telephoning me in May this year, when I won another case yet against the Australian government. Because it is a worldwide fight. The government is trying to ban me and stop me from speaking. Australian Television which is on my side phoned me and said "Mr. Irving, why do you keep on doing this? Why are you spending hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting the Australian government to get in and continue your lecture tour? Why are you continuing your campaign? This crusade, this international campaign for Real History?" The international campaign for real history of which this is the poster (holds up a large poster of David Irving) for the last two or thee years, around the world. I replied to the Australian television commentator. I replied, "my opponents have misunderstood us, they have underestimated the English, The English march towards the sounds of gunfire, When we hear the sounds of gunfire we start marching towards those guns and we keep marching as long as the guns keep firing". If the Jewish community, internationally, against whom I personally bear no grudge, believe me, stopped their campaign against me, then I would stop marching. But as long as they do what they are doing in their insensate way, and co ate(sp) way I will keep up the campaign the way I am doing it. And so the fight has gone on world wide. Let me tell you some of the highlights since I last came and spoke to you here in Oregon, in Gresham, In October 1992 two years ago, almost to the day. The first time I had been in Oregon to speak, wonderful audience the same kind of scum outside, hired, Someone pays them to demonstrate. These people don't come on their own volition. All that kind of thing takes money, Exactly the same kind of thing happens in Ireland, and elsewhere, and it is always the same people putting up the money to organize the demonstrations. A few days after I spoke to you here in Oregon two years ago, I went up to Victoria on Vancouver Island, and I addressed the Canadian Free Speech League, which was good enough to award me the George Orwell plaque for freedom of speech. In recognition of my stand up to that point. Ten minutes after that award I was making my speech of thanks when eight Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers burst in and dragged me off in handcuffs. A really Orwellian scene you might admit. Dragged off in handcuffs and for the next three weeks I had to fight a running battle. First of all in Vancouver. Held the first two days in five different prisons so my own lawyer could not find me. That was after I spoke to you here. Then over to Niagara Falls, where I was last night, again arrested, again held in prison in Niagara Falls, finally flung onto the floor of a prison van on November the 13th, two years ago, then driven at high speed to Toronto airport, and put on a plane bound for London. At the orders of the minister Bernard Belcourt of Canada, I know this because all across Canada I have friends, I have a lot of friends in Canada. One of these turned out to be the man in charge of the prison holding center at Toronto. The Pierce International Airport, at Toronto. He said, "Mr. Irving I have left your cell door open. I don't believe in what is going on here. I will not have you left in handcuffs. Until your plane comes this evening as far as i am concerned, you are free to come and go as you please. You can use the phone on the desk to call the radio and TV stations and the Media." Of course I did. I Said "why are you doing it?" and he said "Mr. Irving that phone has been ringing itself off the hook, All day today, I've had phone calls all day from the minister in person. To notify him the moment when your plane takes off bound for London." This is an indication the kind of clout our enemies wield when they can have a minister trembling, quivering, with fear, telephoning police officers at airports demanding to know when the dreaded enemy has left Canadian soil. And so it was in Australia too, I was supposed to go to Australia a few months later after I spoke to you, and carry on a 6 weeks speaking tour right across Australia in the campaign for Real History. Banned from Australia. Not allowed to set foot in Australia. But they underestimated us, our traditional enemy, because they made a mistake. They had to admit at the end of three or four weeks, that they had lost the battle of the press against David Irving, We had won the battle because they do not control the press in Australia. Not like they do in a large part of the United States. That's not to say the entire United States is controlled by these elements, But significant parts of it is. Certainly in England, Certainly in Germany now. Certainly in Canada. But not in Australia. The Australian press is controlled by Rupert Murdoch and the Fairfax family. So our traditional enemies did not get diddly. Every Australian newspaper ran horrified editorials about what was being done to me and why I was being kept out, and what was going on. So they began to investigate. So they found out that these people had been bankrolling Keatings labor party. They were the ones who had put up a large part of the election campaign funds. They were now calling in their markers and demanding I be kept out. So I couldn't deliver my lectures across Australia. But we managed to get our message across just the same. We fought them in the Federal court in Australia and my lawyer, in Australia a very fine man called Ed Wall, said "Mr. Irving, assuming you lose the federal court action, why don't you prepare a video of the speech you would have made and we'll get the videos 10,000 copies plastered across Australia. We'll hold premiers in the seven biggest cities on the day after the court finds against you. So we did that. The court found against me in the first instance. We had 10,000 copies that video rushed in and our enemies tried to get the video prosecuted as an unlicensed video. An interesting thing happened. In two days we got the videos cleared by the Australian Video Censorship Board by paying the 2,000 dollars fee to get it rushed through in two days. A few weeks later the Australian press reported that a member of the Australian Parliament had asked a question in the Parliament about a hidden microphone that had been found planted in the Video Censorship boards office by the Israeli secret service. This shows that we are up against governments here. There are people not just with private vested interests, like the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles who are trying to suppress Real History, But governments who have their own vital interests at stake. Are doing what they can to silence me. And of course they wanted to know which member of the board had voted in favor of having the video released and whose against it. Eight had voted in favor and one in favor of total censorship of the video. And this is basically what we are up against world wide. People with colossal money. The Anti-Defamation League, which is a body probably familiar to some in this room, and certainly not unconnected with the mob outside. The Anti-Defamation League has an annual budget of $37,000,000. At their disposal, To prevent as it turns out Real History being put about. And yet they are losing the battle, because last April the American public was astonished to read in their papers that a Gallup poll had been taken which showed that 25% of the American public didn't believe in holocaust, They believed that quite possibly it didn't happen. What ever it was. A horrifying figure. A similar poll has now been taken in Australia, and thanks entirely to the efforts of my enemies down there 25% of the Australians also are now having second thoughts. Should we doubt that version of history? Well common sense dictates that there is probably sound reason to doubt. Why else would Hollywood make a movie called Schindler's List? It was because the Revisionists were gaining hand over foot in this particular debate. It is an extraordinary thing. They say we are not to be debated. They refuse to go on television programs with us in order to effectively to silence us. Because television in this country insist that both sides of a debate shall be heard. So by refusing to appear against us they effectively silence our voice too. Except for an occasional program like the Donnahue show. Part 2 coming up.
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