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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
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Isn't it a shame that the deniers of Real History want shut down those 
who don't agree with them? As long as they have th benefit you would 
think that if they really are in favor they would support free speech for 
all. But nary a peep do hou hear.  What follows is a report of David 
Irvings speech at Berkley after his speech in Portland.

From:  Executive News Svc.
Subj:  RTw  10/14 1723  Fighting disrupts controversial historian's lecture

    BERKELEY, California, Oct 14 (Reuter) - A riot broke out after 100
demonstrators clashed with people attending a lecture by controversial British
historian David Irving, who has cast doubt on the Holocaust, police said on
Friday. 
     Five people were slightly injured in scuffles on Thursday night after the
protesters marched on a building where Irving was giving the lecture in the
college town of Berkeley, police inspector Jim Gaebe said. 
     "It was a confrontation with some people who didn't have the same
ideological bent as Mr Irving," Gaebe said. 
     Berkeley is home to a branch of the University of California, with a
campus
known for its long history of left-wing politics. 
     Irving has stated that the Holocaust, the killing of millions of Jews in
Nazi death camps during World War Two, was exaggerated and happened without
Adolf Hitler's knowledge. 
     His views have outraged mainstream historians and Jewish groups. In the
past, he has been deported from Canada, excluded from Germany and refused an
Australian visa. 
     Gaebe said some of the marchers entered the YWCA building where Irving
was
speaking and fights erupted between opposing groups. He did not know how many
people were inside the hall. 
     Most of the people attending the lecture stayed in the building, but some
went outside and fighting spilled into the streets, he said. 
     Some rocks and bottles were thrown, Gaebe said. 
     Forty police officers arrived and sealed off nearby streets to traffic,
he
said, adding that the streets were soon cleared and no arrests were made. 
  REUTER 
Copyright Reuters America Inc. 1994.  All rights reserved. 
<<>>






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In-Reply-To: doyal@eskimo.com's message of Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:46:06 GMT
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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
>
>                         DAVID IRVING     PART ONE
>
>If the Jewish community, internationally, against whom I personally 
>bear no grudge, believe me, stopped their campaign against me, then I 
>would stop marching. But as long as they do what they are doing in 
>their  insensate way I will keep up the campaign the way I am doing 
>it. 

Oh goody, so his holocaust-denial is just a personal grudge match as
we suspected all along and Irving knows he's lying but wants to go tit
for tat with this international jewish community that no doubt resides
under his bed.

Maybe we can file this one next to Bradley Smith's new-found interest
in the mid-east peace process...

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                         DAVID IRVING     PART ONE

Excerpt of a speech by David Irving in Portland OR, Oct. 10, 1994
Manually transcribed from the original one and onehalf hour videotape.

                         doyal@eskimo.com

I deeply regret making the mistake I made in 1988 when I first took 
this  unexpected high road.  In April 1988 when I gave evidence in a 
certain case in Toronto.  It was a serious mistake, I never should 
have done it. Had I foreseen all this would happen to me and my 
family, then I never would have taken that step. I have to admit it. 
It is not one I would have willingly taken had I seen all this coming. 

But the English, and I say this immodestly, we have a certain 
characteristic.  I remember Australian television telephoning me in 
May this year, when I won another case yet against the Australian 
government. Because it is a worldwide fight.  The government is trying 
to ban me and stop me from speaking.  Australian Television which is 
on my side phoned me and said "Mr. Irving, why do you keep on doing 
this? Why are you spending hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting 
the Australian government to get in and continue your lecture tour?  
Why are you continuing your campaign?  This crusade, this 
international campaign for Real History?  The international Campaign 
for real history of which this is the poster (holds up a large poster 
of David Irving) for the last two or thee years, around the  world. I 
replied to the Australian television commentator.  I replied, "my 
opponents  have misunderstood us, they have underestimated the 
English, The English march towards the sounds of gunfire, When we hear 
the sounds of gunfire we start marching towards those guns and we keep 
marching as long as the guns keep firing".  

If the Jewish community, internationally, against whom I personally 
bear no grudge, believe me, stopped their campaign against me, then I 
would stop marching. But as long as they do what they are doing in 
their  insensate way I will keep up the campaign the way I am doing 
it. 

And so the fight has gone on world wide. Let me tell you some of the 
highlights since I last came and  spoke to you here in Oregon, in 
Gresham,  In October 1992 two years ago, almost to the day.  The first 
time I had been in Oregon to speak, wonderful audience the same kind 
of scum outside, Hired, someone pays them to demonstrate, These people 
don't come on their own volition. All that kind of thing takes money, 
Exactly the same kind of thing happens in Ireland, and elsewhere, and 
it is always the same people putting up the money to organize the 
demonstrations. 

A few days after I spoke to you here in Oregon two years ago, I went 
up to Victoria on Vancouver Island, and I addressed the Canadian Free 
Speech League, which was good enough to award me the George Orwell 
plaque for freedom of  speech in recognition of my stand up to that 
point. Ten minutes after that award I was making my speech of thanks  
when 8 Royal Canadian Mounted Police  officers burst in and dragged me 
off in handcuffs.  A really Orwellian scene you might admit.  

Dragged off in handcuffs and for the next three weeks I had to fight a 
running battle. First of all in Vancouver. Held the  first two days in 
five different prisons so my own lawyer could not find  me.   That was 
after I spoke to you here.  Then over to Niagara Falls, where I was 
last night, again arrested, again held in prison in Niagara Falls, 
finally flung on the floor of a prison van on November the 13th, two 
years ago then driven at high speed to Toronto airport, and put on a 
plane bound for London. At the orders of the minister Bernard Belcourt 
of Canada, 

I know this because all across Canada I have friends, I have a lot of 
friends in Canada.  One of these turned out to be the man in charge of 
the prison holding center at Toronto. The Pierce International 
Airport, at Toronto. He said, "Mr. Irving I have left your cell door 
open.  I don't believe in what is going on here.  I will not have you 
left in handcuffs. Until your plane comes this evening as far as i am 
concerned , you are free to come and go as you please.  You can use 
the phone on the desk to call the radio and TV stations and the Media 
of course which I did. I Said "why are you doing it?" and he said "Mr. 
Irving that phone has been ringing itself off the hook, All day today,  
I've had phone calls all day from the minister in person. To notify 
him the moment when your plane takes off for London."

----------------------------------------------------------------------
                         End of Part one.  

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                         doyal@eskimo.com

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                         DAVID IRVING

Part two.  An excerpt of a speech by David Irving in Portland Or. Oct 
10 1994.  

          Manually transcribed from the original video.

This is an indication the kind of clout our enemies wield when they 
can have a minister trembling, quivering, with fear, telephoning 
police officers at airports demanding to know when the dreaded enemy 
has left Canadian soil. 

And so it was in Australia too, I was supposed to go to Australia a 
few months later after I spoke to you, and carry on a 6 weeks speaking 
tour right across Australia in the campaign for Real History.  

Banned from Australia.  Not allowed to set foot in Australia.  But 
they underestimated us our traditional enemy because they made a 
mistake.  They had to admit at the end of three or four weeks, that 
they had lost the battle of the press against David Irving, We had won 
the battle because they  do not control the press in Australia.  Not 
like they do in a large part of the United States.  That's not to say  
the entire United States is controlled by these elements, But 
significant parts of it is. Certainly in England, Certainly in Germany 
now. Certainly in Canada.  But not in Australia.  The Australian press 
is controlled by Rupert Merdoch and the Fairfax family. So our 
traditional enemies did not get diddly.  Every Australian newspaper 
ran horrified editorials about what was being done to me and why I was 
being kept out, and what was going on.  So they began to investigate. 
So they found out that these people had been bankrolling Keatings 
labor party. They were the ones who had put up a large part of the 
election campaign funds. They were now calling in their markers and 
demanding I  be kept out. So I couldn't deliver my lectures across 
Australia.  But we managed to get our message across just the same 
because we fought them in the Federal court in Australia and my lawyer 
in Australia a very fine man called Ed Wall he said Mr. Irving 
assuming you lose the federal court action why don't you prepare a 
video of the speech you would have made and we'll get the videos 
10,000 copies plastered across Australia.  We'll hold premiers in the 
seven biggest cities on the day after the court finds against you.  So 
we did that.  The court found against me in the first instance. We had 
10,000 copies that video rushed in and our enemies tried to get the 
video prosecuted as an unlicensed video.  

An interesting thing happened.  In two days we got the videos cleared 
by the Australian Video Censorship Board by paying the 2,000 dollars 
fee to get it rushed through in two days.  A few weeks later the 
Australian press reported that a member of the Australian Parliament 
had asked a question in the Parliament about a hidden microphone that 
had been found  planted in the Video Censorship boards office by the 
Israeli secret service. 

This shows that we are up against governments here. There are people 
not just with private vested interests  like the Simon Wiesenthal 
Center in Los Angeles who are trying to suppress Real History, But 
governments who have their own vital interests at stake. Are doing 
what they can to silence me. And of course they wanted to know which 
member of the board had voted in favor of having the video released 
and whose against it.  Eight had voted in favor and one in favor of 
total censorship of the video. And this is basically what we are up 
against world wide.  People with colossal money. The Anti-Defamation 
League which is a body probably familiar to some in this room and 
certainly not unconnected with the mob outside. The Anti-Defamation 
League has an annual budget of $37,000,000. At their disposal, To 
prevent as it turns out Real History being put about.  And yet they 
are losing the battle, because last April the American public was 
astonished to read in their papers that a Gallup poll had been taken 
which showed that 25% of the American public  didn't believe in 
holocaust, 
They believed that quite possibly it didn't happen. What ever it was.  
A horrifying figure. A similar poll has now been taken in Australia, 
and thanks entirely to the efforts of my enemies down there 25% of the 
Australians also are now having second thoughts.   

Should we doubt that version of history? Well common sense dictates 
that there is probably sound reason to doubt. Why else would have 
Hollywood make a movie called Schindlers list?  It wasn't because the 
Revisionists were gaining hand over foot in this particular debate.  
It is an extraordinary thing.  
They say we are not to be debated. They refuse to go on television 
programs with us in order to effectively to silence us. Because 
television in this country insists that both sides of a debate shall 
be heard.  So by refusing to appear against us they effectively 
silence our voice too except for an occasional program like the 
Donnahue show. 

----------------------------------------------------------------------

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               doyal@eskimo.com

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                              END OF PART 2




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                         DAVID IRVING     PART ONE

Excerpt of a speech by David Irving in Portland OR, Oct. 10, 1994
Manually transcribed from the original one and onehalf hour videotape.

                         doyal@eskimo.com

I deeply regret making the mistake I made in 1988 when I first took 
this  unexpected high road.  In April 1988 when I gave evidence in a 
certain case in Toronto.  It was a serious mistake, I never should 
have done it. Had I foreseen all this would happen to me and my 
family, then I never would have taken that step. I have to admit it. 
It is not one I would have willingly taken had I seen all this coming. 

But the English, and I say this immodestly, we have a certain 
characteristic.  I remember Australian television telephoning me in 
May this year, when I won another case yet against the Australian 
government. Because it is a worldwide fight.  The government is trying 
to ban me and stop me from speaking.  Australian Television which is 
on my side phoned me and said "Mr. Irving, why do you keep on doing 
this? Why are you spending hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting 
the Australian government to get in and continue your lecture tour?  
Why are you continuing your campaign?  This crusade, this 
international campaign for Real History?  The international Campaign 
for real history of which this is the poster (holds up a large poster 
of David Irving) for the last two or thee years, around the  world. I 
replied to the Australian television commentator.  I replied, "my 
opponents  have misunderstood us, they have underestimated the 
English, The English march towards the sounds of gunfire, When we hear 
the sounds of gunfire we start marching towards those guns and we keep 
marching as long as the guns keep firing".  

If the Jewish community, internationally, against whom I personally 
bear no grudge, believe me, stopped their campaign against me, then I 
would stop marching. But as long as they do what they are doing in 
their  insensate way I will keep up the campaign the way I am doing 
it. 

And so the fight has gone on world wide. Let me tell you some of the 
highlights since I last came and  spoke to you here in Oregon, in 
Gresham,  In October 1992 two years ago, almost to the day.  The first 
time I had been in Oregon to speak, wonderful audience the same kind 
of scum outside, Hired, someone pays them to demonstrate, These people 
don't come on their own volition. All that kind of thing takes money, 
Exactly the same kind of thing happens in Ireland, and elsewhere, and 
it is always the same people putting up the money to organize the 
demonstrations. 

A few days after I spoke to you here in Oregon two years ago, I went 
up to Victoria on Vancouver Island, and I addressed the Canadian Free 
Speech League, which was good enough to award me the George Orwell 
plaque for freedom of  speech in recognition of my stand up to that 
point. Ten minutes after that award I was making my speech of thanks  
when 8 Royal Canadian Mounted Police  officers burst in and dragged me 
off in handcuffs.  A really Orwellian scene you might admit.  

Dragged off in handcuffs and for the next three weeks I had to fight a 
running battle. First of all in Vancouver. Held the  first two days in 
five different prisons so my own lawyer could not find  me.   That was 
after I spoke to you here.  Then over to Niagara Falls, where I was 
last night, again arrested, again held in prison in Niagara Falls, 
finally flung on the floor of a prison van on November the 13th, two 
years ago then driven at high speed to Toronto airport, and put on a 
plane bound for London. At the orders of the minister Bernard Belcourt 
of Canada, 

I know this because all across Canada I have friends, I have a lot of 
friends in Canada.  One of these turned out to be the man in charge of 
the prison holding center at Toronto. The Pierce International 
Airport, at Toronto. He said, "Mr. Irving I have left your cell door 
open.  I don't believe in what is going on here.  I will not have you 
left in handcuffs. Until your plane comes this evening as far as i am 
concerned , you are free to come and go as you please.  You can use 
the phone on the desk to call the radio and TV stations and the Media 
of course which I did. I Said "why are you doing it?" and he said "Mr. 
Irving that phone has been ringing itself off the hook, All day today,  
I've had phone calls all day from the minister in person. To notify 
him the moment when your plane takes off for London."

----------------------------------------------------------------------
                         End of Part one.  

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                         doyal@eskimo.com

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obtain it.
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                         DAVID IRVING

Part two.  An excerpt of a speech by David Irving in Portland Or. Oct 
10 1994.  

          Manually transcribed from the original video.

This is an indication the kind of clout our enemies wield when they 
can have a minister trembling, quivering, with fear, telephoning 
police officers at airports demanding to know when the dreaded enemy 
has left Canadian soil. 

And so it was in Australia too, I was supposed to go to Australia a 
few months later after I spoke to you, and carry on a 6 weeks speaking 
tour right across Australia in the campaign for Real History.  

Banned from Australia.  Not allowed to set foot in Australia.  But 
they underestimated us our traditional enemy because they made a 
mistake.  They had to admit at the end of three or four weeks, that 
they had lost the battle of the press against David Irving, We had won 
the battle because they  do not control the press in Australia.  Not 
like they do in a large part of the United States.  That's not to say  
the entire United States is controlled by these elements, But 
significant parts of it is. Certainly in England, Certainly in Germany 
now. Certainly in Canada.  But not in Australia.  The Australian press 
is controlled by Rupert Merdoch and the Fairfax family. So our 
traditional enemies did not get diddly.  Every Australian newspaper 
ran horrified editorials about what was being done to me and why I was 
being kept out, and what was going on.  So they began to investigate. 
So they found out that these people had been bankrolling Keatings 
labor party. They were the ones who had put up a large part of the 
election campaign funds. They were now calling in their markers and 
demanding I  be kept out. So I couldn't deliver my lectures across 
Australia.  But we managed to get our message across just the same 
because we fought them in the Federal court in Australia and my lawyer 
in Australia a very fine man called Ed Wall he said Mr. Irving 
assuming you lose the federal court action why don't you prepare a 
video of the speech you would have made and we'll get the videos 
10,000 copies plastered across Australia.  We'll hold premiers in the 
seven biggest cities on the day after the court finds against you.  So 
we did that.  The court found against me in the first instance. We had 
10,000 copies that video rushed in and our enemies tried to get the 
video prosecuted as an unlicensed video.  

An interesting thing happened.  In two days we got the videos cleared 
by the Australian Video Censorship Board by paying the 2,000 dollars 
fee to get it rushed through in two days.  A few weeks later the 
Australian press reported that a member of the Australian Parliament 
had asked a question in the Parliament about a hidden microphone that 
had been found  planted in the Video Censorship boards office by the 
Israeli secret service. 

This shows that we are up against governments here. There are people 
not just with private vested interests  like the Simon Wiesenthal 
Center in Los Angeles who are trying to suppress Real History, But 
governments who have their own vital interests at stake. Are doing 
what they can to silence me. And of course they wanted to know which 
member of the board had voted in favor of having the video released 
and whose against it.  Eight had voted in favor and one in favor of 
total censorship of the video. And this is basically what we are up 
against world wide.  People with colossal money. The Anti-Defamation 
League which is a body probably familiar to some in this room and 
certainly not unconnected with the mob outside. The Anti-Defamation 
League has an annual budget of $37,000,000. At their disposal, To 
prevent as it turns out Real History being put about.  And yet they 
are losing the battle, because last April the American public was 
astonished to read in their papers that a Gallup poll had been taken 
which showed that 25% of the American public  didn't believe in 
holocaust, 
They believed that quite possibly it didn't happen. What ever it was.  
A horrifying figure. A similar poll has now been taken in Australia, 
and thanks entirely to the efforts of my enemies down there 25% of the 
Australians also are now having second thoughts.   

Should we doubt that version of history? Well common sense dictates 
that there is probably sound reason to doubt. Why else would have 
Hollywood make a movie called Schindlers list?  It wasn't because the 
Revisionists were gaining hand over foot in this particular debate.  
It is an extraordinary thing.  
They say we are not to be debated. They refuse to go on television 
programs with us in order to effectively to silence us. Because 
television in this country insists that both sides of a debate shall 
be heard.  So by refusing to appear against us they effectively 
silence our voice too except for an occasional program like the 
Donnahue show. 

----------------------------------------------------------------------

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               doyal@eskimo.com

Or you may telephone 206 367 6343 for a recorded message on how to 
obtain it.

                              END OF PART 2




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Morrison (t08o@elara.sun.csd.unb.ca) wrote:
: From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
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: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever


: >                         DAVID IRVING     PART ONE
: >
: >Excerpt of a speech by David Irving in Portland OR, Oct. 10, 1994
: >Manually transcribed from the original one and onehalf hour videotape.
: >
:  >                        doyal@eskimo.com
: >
: >
: >And so the fight has gone on world wide. Let me tell you some of the 
: >highlights since I last came and  spoke to you here in Oregon, in 
: >Gresham,  In October 1992 two years ago, almost to the day.  The first 
: >time I had been in Oregon to speak, wonderful audience the same kind 
: >of scum outside, Hired, someone pays them to demonstrate, These people 
: >don't come on their own volition. All that kind of thing takes money, 
: >Exactly the same kind of thing happens in Ireland, and elsewhere, and 
: >it is always the same people putting up the money to organize the 
: >demonstrations. 
: >
: >A few days after I spoke to you here in Oregon two years ago, I went 
: >up to Victoria on Vancouver Island, and I addressed the Canadian Free 
: >Speech League, which was good enough to award me the George Orwell 
: >plaque for freedom of  speech in recognition of my stand up to that 
: >point. Ten minutes after that award I was making my speech of thanks  
: >when 8 Royal Canadian Mounted Police  officers burst in and dragged me 
: >off in handcuffs.  A really Orwellian scene you might admit.  

: What were their names?  What detachment?  When did they first enter service
: in the RCMP?  How do you know they weren't just dressed up to look
: like the RCMP?

: >Dragged off in handcuffs and for the next three weeks I had to fight a 
: >running battle. First of all in Vancouver. Held the  first two days in 
: >five different prisons so my own lawyer could not find  me.   That was 
: >after I spoke to you here.  Then over to Niagara Falls, where I was 
: >last night, again arrested, again held in prison in Niagara Falls, 
: >finally flung on the floor of a prison van on November the 13th, two 
: >years ago then driven at high speed to Toronto airport, and put on a 
: >plane bound for London. At the orders of the minister Bernard Belcourt 
: >of Canada, 

: AHA! You say you spoke in Portland on the 10th of October, and "a few days
: later" were in Victoria.  I'm arbitrarily declaring "a few days" to mean
: five or less, so that means you were arrested on the 15th of October, which
: is _four_ weeks to the 13th of November.  On the basis of the missing week
: I'm declaring your entire statement to be false.

I will refrian from asking if that is a correct address at the Univerity, 
I will restrain myself from using words like idiot, stupid and the litany 
of derogatory terms Extermiationists have amassed to use against 
Revisionists.  Even though in this case they would fit exactly.  In fact 
your reasoning and analysis of this speech is no better than your ability 
to  determine which speech Irving was talking about when he described his 
arrest in Canada.  but just so you won't remain confused on this one 
matter you should know Irving was talking about his visit to Victoria two 
years ago.  It was THIS year he gave his talk on Oct. 10th.  This year he 
went to Berkley after speaking on oct. 10 in Portland Oregon. However 
there is the possibility you knew which year he spoke in Portland on Oct. 
10 and you just wanted to lie and try to confuse anyone who read this. So 
there is a better chance you are just a plain liar.  Take your pick. 

Thomas Doyal

remainder deleted 

: Keith Morrison





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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Jews For the Preservation of Gun Ownership
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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
>They fought??? What about the alleged 5,950,000 who didn't?  

Mr Doyal apparently is not aware of, for example, the Treblinka camp
uprising which destroyed and finally closed the camp. And probably
every other historical fact he would need to make an intelligent
comment.

Why is it that there are exactly two things a Jew can do to piss off
these sort of low-lifes: Fight back, or not fight back.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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