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From alec@gryn.org Sun Sep  1 15:08:35 PDT 1996
Article: 61555 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N
Date: 01 Sep 96 14:43:17
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<*[*] [*] [Charles] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N] [Saturday August 31 1996
23:34][*][0]*>

 C>   However, where are the hard-working, future-oriented Israelis,
 C> for example, when it comes to manufacturing ANYTHING the world
 C> needs? Such as cars. Such as consumer electronics. Such as food.

Why cars? This is terrific innovation?

Ummm - come to think of it, there are quite a few Israeli engineers
working in Israel on car design. Then those designs get built
elsewhere, with any mention of Jooos removed to make them easier to
sell. Like the Chrysler plants in Brampton and Windsor.

Real popular, those minivans.

Darn! Me and my big mouth! Now you'll have to switch to a Japanese
car.

But - you were so hot and bothered about that "kosher tax" of
.00001%!

Consumer electronics? Ayup! Only, they don't open mouth and insert
foot about it!

Food? Excuse me while I munch on these delicious oranges from - er -
Zionland.

One of the biggest jokes around was the case of the mislabeled
shipment.

Ever hear of it?

I seems that somebody goofed and put the regular domestic labels on
the cases of a shipment destined for another part of the world.

The freighter crew saw it and almost crapped their drawers! The
dumped that whole batch of stuff over the side - just before docking
in Saudi Arabia.

It seems that Israeli engineers and scientists are all over the
place - and keeping a low profile.

Something to do with this bunch of countries that won't allow the
goods in if the company that makes them has anything to do with
Israel or even with Joos.

So *WE* keep a low profile and still do the work.

Wanna hear about a certain system at Aramco that should be labelled
"Another fine product of the Zionists of Canada?"

 C> insurance, special rights based on being Jewish and who live on
 C> confiscated [i.e. stolen] land produce virtually NOTHING to

Goodness! Buying land at 10 times the going rate from happy-to-sell
locals is now called theft!

What will they think of next?!?

Special rights on being Jewish?!? Why do we keep getting told that
they exist - but not what they are?


++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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From alec@gryn.org Sun Sep  1 16:26:34 PDT 1996
Article: 61557 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N
Date: 01 Sep 96 15:02:02
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<*[*] [*] [Danny Mittleman] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N] [Sunday September 01 1996
01:44][*][0]*>

 DM>     Look, zeyde, just because you are ignorant of all of the
 DM>     accomplishments of Israel does not mean that there are no
 DM>     accomplishments.

I suppose we could always recount the significant Jewish inventions,
discoveries and innovations - from the publication of Moses de Leeon
200 years before Copernicus, describing the Earth as round (not new
- Abodah Zara III says the same thing and it's one of the books of
the Palestinian Talmud!) and revolving around the sun, thru the
Jewish inventors of the telephone, the dirigible, the sandwich, the
first discoverer of a planet (Uranus) since ancient times,
relativity, the non-ethereal universe, heavier than air flight, the
gramophone, you name it.

Hell! I suspect that we'll hear how it was an American who invented
the light bulb, electrical distribution and whatnot!

I also expect - well - just wait a little.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Coffins are built one nail at a time
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep  2 09:28:05 PDT 1996
Article: 61608 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: to keep you folks up to date
Date: 01 Sep 96 15:17:28
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[to keep you folks up to date] [Sunday September 01 1996 08:30][*][0]*>

 MG>   Alec Grynspan continues to mail bomb me (in denfense of
 MG> another holohugger as his sllippery excuse) and uu.net and its
 MG> subsidiary uunet.ca continue to aid and abit his mail bombing
 MG> despite repeateed reports of his activities.


You're still stuck here, Matt. The only way out is to admit that you
lost to the truth and leave - and you can't do that.

1. No mailbombs from here, little boy.

2. uu.net has zero say in the matter. This one reminds me of your
   rantings about Internet Direct.

3. uunet.ca is not its subsidiary and is not my provider.

 MG>   It is unclear if harrassment of this sort is criminal but is
 MG> cerrainly a violation of netiquette.

1. No it isn't.  No mailbombs, Matt. You're just looking for an
   excuse to leave.

2. What was that about netcom.com blocking me? Or my being read the
   riot act by uu.net and uunet.ca?

3. So complain to Emily Poster if you want to. Spamming to a
   newsgroup is a no-no, Matt.


 MG>   It is also clear that individual terrorist activities by a
 MG> person who told me that he did wetwork for the Mossad, i.e. was
 MG> a murderer for tha Jewish intelligence organization, so he is
 MG> happy with this form or terrorism.    He is a minor player.  He
 MG> in fact lied about being into wetwork but there is no reason
 MG> that I should not gig him on the claim since he made it to me on
 MG> the phone.

Was that during the call where you bragged about planning to bugger
Dahlman's kid?

I never said that I worked for the Mossad. I never said that I did
wetwork for the Mossad.

Libel is also against netiquette and is grounds for cancelbotting
and even applying the Internet "death penalty".

But that would give you an excuse for getting out of here - so I
don't.

Your stuck here, Matt. Welcome to Hell!

 MG>   It is the usual braggart claim and it is unlikely to be true.
 MG> But then, he is a profeessed Jew and mailbombs with the
 MG> concurrance and approval of UUNET.CA.

1. I am not a profeessed Jew.

2. UUNET.CA doesn't give a shit about your complaints, because they
   only hold the DNS flag and don't provide me with anything else.
   If they dropped it, they'd have to refund my money and I'd be up
   at another site the next day.

3. The other reason that they don't give a shit about your
   complaints is - there are no mailbombs.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We're laughing at you Matt - you pathetic fool!
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep  2 21:22:27 PDT 1996
Article: 61793 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N
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<*[*] [*] [Charles] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N] [Sunday September 01 1996
22:32][*][0]*>

 C>   Exactly how many Israelis have "WON NOBEL PRIZES" for stuff
 C> like "QUANTUM MECHANICS"? A dozen or so?

>From  a country of that size?

Pretty good!

 C>   How many workers does it take to manufacture a car?

Over a thousand. A large manufacturing concern would be needed,
competing against much larger, established corporations for a small
ROI. Add the idiots who would go out of their way to *NOT* buy such
a car...

So - you want a company to be formed that will never make it?! Then
you can say "they can't compete in the real world."

 C>   A stereo?

How many VCRs are made in the US? How many CD players?

These are commodity items - not worth going up against the
established firms. The margins aren't worth it.

It's better to sell technical expertise to these guys. More money in
it.

 C>   To grow and harvest food crops?

They do. Plenty of stuff. So?

 C>   Citing the (admirable) achievements of a few highly-untypical
 C> Israeli individuals is a pretty weak reply, methinks.

Great argument! If they accomplish something they are untypical!

99% of all Isrealis are untypical?!?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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From alec@gryn.org@ Tue Sep  3 13:20:52 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Jew justfies Nazi-like tactics against poor people? [re: Chutzpa = E X A G G E R A T I O N]
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In <50ddq6$d9f@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) writes:
>In  alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) writes: 
>[snip]
>>Goodness! Buying land at 10 times the going rate from happy-to-sell
>>locals is now called theft!
>>What will they think of next?!?
>
>  Seems like those now-homeless Palestinians -- whose ancestors have
>lived on the land for centuries, if not millennia -- whose modest homes
>were destroyed and lands were confiscated by the self-proclaimed,
>American-funded "Jewish State" didn't get such a great "deal" ["10
>times the going rate!"] from the Paris, New York, and London-born
>leaders of the Israeli government who recently authorized such
>heartless land-grabbing.

You're right! It was more.

And the locals sold it willingly.

>  BTW, if your dubious claim has any iota of truth at all, where do you
>think Israel GETS that $$ to pay those whose lands they steal "10 times
>the going rate"? 
>  Can you spell "A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n t-a-x-p-a-y-e-r-s"?

Can you spell b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t?

The only money from the American taxpayer that gets involved goes to
maintain a military machine that relies on overpriced American goods
that were bought to overbuild the local armed forces as part of an
American strategic plan.

Israel tried to beg off buying the specific American parts when their
economy was being crushed, so the US upped the ante with more "aid".

>  Moreover, if the likewise-inhuman Nazis had given the Jews -- whose
>property they, too, so criminally confiscated a half-century ago -- "10
>times the going rate" for it, would that have made it ok? 
>  I think not!

We already know that you don't think.

I said   ******>>>> BOUGHT <<<<*******, from willing sellers.

>that it is two Righteous American Jews, officials of the group Human
>Rights Watch, who are in the forefront of publicizing this

I should have known. Those guys have published every purported
"violation" for years. They never do say anything when it turns out that
there was no violation - which happens all too frequently.

This has been a given for about 3 months longer than they've been doing
the "reporting".

So?



From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep  3 13:20:53 PDT 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         I forgot that holohuggers are so stupid as to believe that wood is not
> fuel.  But then I have great difficultly keeping in mind the stupidity
> of the holohuggers.

Trying to duck out of your little trick, I see.

We both know that he was talking about fuel as a petroleum product - the
type that they used in cars and tanks.

You removed the text, Matt. Cut the crap.


From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep  3 13:20:54 PDT 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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gvzy22a@prodigy.com wrote:
> 
> Tzippy what beef do i have with Alec?you also called him a porn
>  spreader.

Tzipporah BenAvraham:
> 
> I have just spoken to Defavero at NYU. For everyone's
> information, I was filming for the class in DC on the day of
> July 23, 1996 and have a whole film crew and several interviewees
> that can verify that. David Metzger's father is an NYU law grad.

Ms Benavraham's forgeries are currently in the files at Northern
Telecom. She bogused up documents and "messages" and tried to get them
to terminate me. Fortunately she had no way of knowing the errors that
she made that proved that she was lying.

She did the same thing on more than one occasion. When she made claims
of importance in one conference, the moderator got so annoyed that he
investigated and discovered them to be bogus.

When she mailbombed me with dozens of documents and garbage files, I
took out the ones which purportedly showed that Ms Benavraham was as
invited to important events as she claimed and forwarded them to the
people who supposedly sent them. I received several responses that these
documents were not the originals. 

I understand that she received several irate messages about her
forgeries from the peop[le who wrote the originals, which was when she
started to call the sysop of the board that I was using and demand that
I be turfed.

Dave Metzger knew nothing of me, including my access of Smartnet. 

Ms Benavraham did, since she was turfed from access when she made
libellous claims about me there. I had ridiculed her claim that American
spy satellites could see thru the roofs of buildings and tell what brand
of cigar Gorbachev smoked.

If anything, I would suspect that she had access to his accounts, based
on her actions in Ilink, where she cancelled people's messages at
factory.com (The Innovation Factory).

Further the spelling style, token displacements and other patterns are
as unique as a fingerprint. It was from Ms Benavraham.

Her claim to have been elsewhere all day is also inconsequential. There
are computers everywhere. There are telephones, lap-tops and notepads.

Again, Ms Benavraham's tactics are notorious. She sent those messages.

I would, in fact, check the actual headers of messages attributed to Mr
Metzger to assure myself that he sent them all before I accused him of
doing so.


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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: A minor question
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[A minor question] [Monday September 02 1996 20:05][*][0]*>

 MG>   Why is that didn't discover anything peculiar about Auschwitz
 MG> until after the end of the war?

Because they did.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep  3 20:09:50 PDT 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer's latest tactic.
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:11:54 -0400, Alec Grynspan 
> wrote:
> 
> >Matt Giwer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>         He told me he did wetwork for the Mossad.
> >>
> >>         What does that make him in your pea brain?
> 
> >Someone being libelled, Matt.
> 
>         Telling the truth is an absolute defense against libel.  You told me
> that on the phone.  You discussed it in this conference.

I'd love to see the look on the judge's face when you present that as
your "proof" of the truth! 

Of course, we'd have to give him oxygen first or have him breath into a
paper bag - depending on his style of laughing himself silly.

And you demand physical evidence because witnesses are unreliable?!?!


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tom moran wrote:

>         So it appears that the "core of the Jewish identity" has been
> based on something that has been " incomprehensible", "not
> understandable" and has put any listeners "totally at a loss" as to
> what is being read.

No, schmuck. The average Jew in North America does have a problem with
the Haftorah, just as a lot of Xtians have a problem with the King James
version of the bible.

So?


From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep  3 20:09:52 PDT 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: It's Lazarus risen, sait Tom Bolyn
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 16:26:08 +0000, Laurinda Stryker
>  wrote:
> 
> >Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >>         It is amazing how many people have sworn Tereseinstadt was a show camp
> >> that was later exterminated.
> 
> >How many have sworn that, Mr. Giwer?  Who are they?  Come on, give us
> >references: we want to be amazed, too.
> 
> > 
> 
> >Laurinda Stryker
> 
>         Read the frigging NG for further details.
> 
>         I no longer go over old info.  It is a waste of time.
> You re making yourself a waste of time.

Thank you for admitting that you lied yet again.


From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep  3 20:09:52 PDT 1996
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         And of course I realize that you have never in your young life even
> been near a working crematorium and therefore would never know.

I work within a block of a crematorium, Matt. 

Pretty colours!!!

>         And in addition, we have the admission of those who have described
> those flames that they were lying, made it all up.

No, Matt. He admitted repeating what he'd heard from someone else.

Not *QUITE* the same thing.

But you knew that!

> 
>         Do you really think anyone is persuaded by this stupitidy any longer?

They stopped listening to you months ago, Matt.


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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> 
> Unable to use his legendary Fidonet approach (be really vulgar as soon as he
> starts to lose the arguments, and get himself booted by the moderator, like he
> did in the Debate echo and many others), he is reduced to the 

Actually he got himself booted from every echo *EXCEPT* Debate. He left
Debate for this NG because Lester would have booted him on his next
personal attack and he was losing the battles. That echo is one where
the only rule is no personal attacks and everybody knows it.

{Fidonet Debate Co-Moderator}


From alec@gryn.org Wed Sep  4 07:04:51 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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<*[*] [*] [Danny Mittleman] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Giwer Parades His Ignorance and Foolishness: Diesel Engines] [Tuesday
September 03 1996 10:25][*][0]*>

 >> Of course, after all of the above, I do wish to remind you
 >> that to the best of my belief, Alec Grynspan is a bullshit
 >> artist and we never involved in wetwork or even the Mossad.

 DM>     Ah yes.  So it was all just libel on your part...  So Alec
 DM> got to you
 DM>     just the way he said he would and turned you into a
 DM> blubbering idiot?
 DM>     Well, those men in the white van will be here soon now...

Notice that when I tell him that I was virtually a babe-in-arms when
I became a mascot and "junior member" of the Mossad and deny any
"wetwork" (outside of a little plumbing around the house), this
becomes me being a bullshit artist.

Then there is Al Gentile...

Do you think it's the AG initials?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Poor Matt - he is trying, you know. Very trying.
--
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From jaweh@gods.com Wed Sep  4 09:28:55 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Words of Wisdom on Grynspan...
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In article <32299681.8720570@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
    rackjite@worldnet.att.net (Rack Jite) wrote:
> 
> Havent looked in revisionism in ages, dont want to now either, its too
> depressing watching so many Jews suck up to Grynspan just because he
> is a Jew.  

As always your anti-semitism peeks thru.

> In my years of this I must say he is king of the ALL AROUND netscabs.

Wow! Poor Matt! His only claim to fame - getting Dave Dahlman all bent out of shape! Even that's gone!

> No one can beat him in the Scabathelon which includes: the most
> egomaniacal asshole around, a rabic control and censorship freak, a

Egomaniacal asshole: King position: Dave Dahlman. Prince: Matt Giwer.
Rabic Control Freaks: N/A
Rabid Control Freaks: King: Dave Dahlman. Prince: Matt Giwer.
Censorship Freak: Same as above for King. Princess: Tzipporah Benavraham.

> pathological liar & libeler, a squealing-address posting invader of

Pathological liar and libeler:  A 3-way tie between Dave, Matt and Tzippy.

> privacy, king of the law suit threateners, and a backstabbing creep...

Invader of privacy: Matt Giwer.

Law Suit Threatener: Odd - except for possibly Tzippy, I never did, so it must be Matt Giwer.

> And those are his good points!  :)

Since the inversion of morality and double-speakitis of Dave Dahlman is known world-wide, I thank him for the compliment.


> Speaking of backstabbing, has he turned on his friend Giwer -- who he
> for years claimed was neither an anti-Semite or Holocaust Revisionist
> -- and rammed the blade into his back yet like he has so many other of
> his one time pals?

I've never betrayed a pal yet, have not stated that Matt was not an anti-semite, per se, have not stated that he was not a Revisionist.

Other than that, I won't disagree with your confession of your sins.

About Dahlman:

Three pieces of advice for yall; dont believe anything he says, dont talk to him on the phone, and dont turn yer back on the little shit.

BTW: He has a mid-west accent.

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From alec@gryn.org Wed Sep  4 11:42:23 PDT 1996
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On 01 Sep 96 15:17:28, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
> 
> 
> >2. uu.net has zero say in the matter. This one reminds me of your
> >   rantings about Internet Direct.
> 
> >3. uunet.ca is not its subsidiary and is not my provider.
> 
>         You could fool finger?
> 

Your ignorance about the Internet becomes more obvious daily.

> 
>         Liar and self described murderer.

Well, I know that you're the first of those. Do you now claim the second
as well?


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         That is the difference between you and me.  When he first called he
> got to talking about how he did wetwork for the Mossad.  Therefore, I
> expected it.

As far back as that?!?

No wonder your meds aren't working so well any more!


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         Not a one, holohugger.  You know that.
> 
So? When did you say you wanted the evidence delivered?


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         I regret that I can not lie to support a Mossad murderer.  Now if cash
> were to come my way ... you have my address
> 

No - just to support your delusions.

As for cash --- you are now stating that you want money to stop your
statements.

Extortion is a crime.


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In <50jqpi$nka@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>
>	One man's word against another coupled with your admission of
>murdering two Americans on this conference should do it.  

Ahhh, yes! The "admission on this conference" which you can't find.

The judge would love that!

>
>	Going to sue me?  Please do.  

Why? You're effectively judgement-proof and you've already been proven a
liar.

The fact that you'd lose is obvious.

>       
>	I have been awaiting the opportunity to post the blow by blow of DOD;s
>Ken McVay pressing charges and the FBI visit.  

You wouldn't reach the second sentence, Matt. One "irrelevant" objection
and the judge would tell you to cut the crap.

>
>	Your's will be truly fascinating.  
>
Most definitely.

"Your honour. Here is Mr Giwer's statement, repeated over and over
again. It is false."

Then the judge asks you for evidence:

"HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!"

Then the judge asks you, again, for evidence.

"HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!"

Then I state "Nope!"

Then the judge asks you, AGAIN, for evidence.

"HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!"

Then the judge asks your lawyer "You took this bozo as a client?!?"

>	Do not forget, I believe you are a bullshit artist and never even
>lived in Israel much less were Mossad much less into wetwork as you
>told me.  

Lived in Israel?! The climate would have killed me!

Hell, I've never even visited.

As I've already mentioned, I'm a tad disabled. It takes weeks to prepare
to visit Florida!

>
>	But remember that I introduced that into this conference and that you
>foolishly agreed to it.  You have never denied it in any manner.  And
>you konw that.

Nope!

You didn't even introduce me to this conference.

A truly bad memory.

>
>	In any event, when you told me on the phone that you did wetwork for
>the Mossad, you told me that you were a murderer for a Jewish
>intelligence organization.  

Never. Nope.

>
>	I can not change what you said.  You can not change what you said.
>Your handler knows that you told me the truth.  Deal with him.  You
>broke the rules and you know it.  

What handler? How could I have broken any rules?

>
>	Live with it.  If they decide to stop a loose mouth like yours, hell,
>what do I have to do with the rules you chose as a dumb kid?  

Hunh?! Why should they stop me? As I said - I wasn't an agent for the
Mossad!

>
>	That is the way it goes.  I can not change it and you can not change
>it.  It has been said.  You could have remained quiet.  

Remained quiet?

You're starting to make Tzippy sound rational!

>
>	You do sound a bit desperate in this matter.  Are they hassling you?

Amused, perhaps. Mildly annoyed at your repetition.

Why should I be desparate? I have nothing to do with the Mossad.

Why should they hassle me? I have nothing to do with the Mossad.



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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?] [Wednesday September 04 1996
09:20][*][0]*>


 MG>   I will see your claims and raise you

 MG>   How many items of physical evidence are there of the
 MG> holocaust.

 MG>   You provide one and I will deal with the rest.

If you're so certain that there are none, Matt, then you'll ask me
to Email you the docs, won't you?

All you need to do is ask.

Then you'll get it.


++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Thu Sep  5 20:04:34 PDT 1996
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         Of course he is lying.  Remember, he was in the intelligence business.

I was? Have you actually seen any credentials? Did I ever present any?

Post the URL.

> Lying is a job skill, not to mention the wetwork, i.e. murder.

Post the URL.
> 
>         But then his techniques here are the until oxymoron, in the
> intelligence business with his intelligence?

What on Earth is an "until oxymoron?!?"

As for being in the Mossad, we've already been there, Matt.

Unless you count my "honourary" membership as a child - NOPE!


From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 10 17:31:02 PDT 1996
Article: 64243 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why does George Lehmann keep making a fool out of himself?  Inquiring minds, and all that...
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:23:33 -0400
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On 7 Sep 1996 03:20:51 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> 
> 
> There's no business like Shoah Business
> Like no business I know.
> Everything about it is appealing,
> Everything that traffic will allow.
> No where can you get that happy feeling
> Than when your stealing
> 
> There's no business like Shoah business
> It's like no business I know
> Everything about it is misleading
> Everything about it seems a fraud
> Can't you hear the rabbis when they're pleading
> For more donations to their cause

Your message to uunet.ca bore fruit.

They forwarded it to Internet Canada, my provider. When the postmaster
there read it, he suggested that I should double the reflections.				

I asked him "Then you're not going to cut my feed?"

His response about your ancestry was fascinating.


From alec@gryn.org Thu Sep 12 07:33:48 PDT 1996
Article: 64620 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: don't forget
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:13:43 -0400
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Derek Bell wrote:
> 
> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
> >       I am seriously soliciting names and addresses to be named in this
> >lawsuit.
> 
>              ^^^^^^^^^
> 
>         Yeah, riiight. Pull the other one!!

Matt whined to uunet.ca, who (not knowing what to do with it) sent it to
me. I told them who to send it to, so they did.

The postmaster at Internet Canada checked and said a couple of
interesting things:		

1. "He's kidding, right?" 

2. "Alec, what are you worried about? Are you saying that you WANT me to
cut your access? (NO) So what's the problem?"

3. (Something for Matt to do - anatomically impossible and painful,
too!)

4. "So when will you be ready to feed us?"

Say goodnight, Matt.


From alec@gryn.org Fri Sep 13 19:13:43 PDT 1996
Article: 65230 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: speaking cowards
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         There is the IDF that murdered crew members of the Liberty and of
> refugees at Qana.
> 
>         Murdering Jews under the guise of IDF.
> 

Nope - they didn't murder Jews at all.

The IDF that committed murder exists only in your imagination, Matt.




From alec@gryn.org Sat Sep 14 01:28:50 PDT 1996
Article: 65298 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: AN INVITATION TO TOM MORAN (was Re: ALL BY THEIR LONESOME)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:43:36 -0400
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         It is good that you again admit there is no physical evidence for the
> holocaust and that "hearing maniacal laughter" over the sound of the

Thank you for confessing that you know that there is an enormous amount
of physical evidence by refusing to accept it.

Or are you now requesting that I send it?

Don't worry.

If you ask for it, you'll get it.


From alec@gryn.org Sat Sep 14 01:28:51 PDT 1996
Article: 65304 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Subject: Re: Goring's Commission to Heydrich
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         But at the time they agreed they did not know that Ken McVay requested
> the information I sent him.  Now that they know that my only agreement
> is that I will not give answers that are "too long" despite what is
> requested.

You *DID* ask for it, after all!

Oh my, yes!




From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 16 06:11:07 PDT 1996
Article: 66006 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Goring's Commission to Heydrich
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Goring's Commission to Heydrich] [14 Sep 96 14:21][*][0]*>

 >> You *DID* ask for it, after all!

 MG>   McVay requested what I sent him.  I hope that is clear.  It
 MG> was a setup.  A clever setup but a setup nevertheless.

Oooh! Oooh! Conspiracies everywhere. Check the aluminum pot on your
head before you look under the bed, Matt!

I think that the only thing that aggravates Dahlman over you finally
going completely over the edge is how easily I did it and that it
was me.

 MG>   I asked for nothing but you want to add your lies to those
 MG> already told to NETCOM there is nothing I can do to stop you.

Lies?

No lies, Matt! Libel is libel. You do it while accusing others.

You're a sick little man with delusions of grandeur who wants to
attack everybody who is better than him.

Unfortunately for you, even Dahlman is better than you. That's why
you attack everybody.

In the meantime, I'm busy doing real work.

Interesting work.

An intellectual challenge - which no denier has ever been.

We know the real reason that you got "retired" so young, don't we?

You came here all a-bluster. It confused folks. Then they looked
behind the curtain.

And there was nothing there.

Only you.

A nothing.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
--
|Fidonet:  Alec Grynspan 1:2424/13
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 16 18:39:15 PDT 1996
Article: 66167 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,qc.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: QUEBEC FED UP WITH PHONEY ISRAELI REFUGEES, OR, ANOTHER ANTI-SEMITE STI
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<*[*] [*] [acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: QUEBEC FED UP WITH PHONEY ISRAELI REFUGEES, OR, ANOTHER ANTI-SEMIT] [16
Sep 96 09:23][*][0]*>

 a> It seems that the damn Jews just do not wish to actually answer
 a> the points of the published news story.

I looked around, but couldn't find any damn Jews.

Then I looked under a rock and found you.

As for immigration that you don't like - it must be a good thing!

You haven't been right yet!

Now - go join Giwer in the line-up to the right. That's where the
nothings go.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 16 23:54:36 PDT 1996
Article: 66207 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer, here's the directions you wanted..
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Danny Mittleman wrote:
> 
>     If you are going to consider this a serious threat you might want to
>     engage in e-mail correspondence with Yale and/or Ken who are both up to
>     date on the FBI investigation into Giwer's web activities.  The agents
>     investigating Giwer would probably be interested in the threat.  


That explains why I haven't been contacted after the first one. I *has*
gone to the FBI as he said it would!


From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 17 03:36:34 PDT 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Ivan Dem'yanyuk at Sobibor
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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
> 
> The thing Mr. Giwer fails to realize is that I LOVE having him here. He
> make the job of anti-revisionists SO MUCH easier!
> 
> Each time Mr. Giwer posts here, he proves what an idiot he is.

That's what I've been saying all along!

I "snapped" him as per a schedule that I told to some of the folks here
- reducing his stature from newsgroup bogeyman to a puddle of simpering
nothingness. 

And all that I had on my side was knowing him to be a nothing all along.

Now he's an object lesson of what revisionism can do to someone - or
else the level of intellect (zero) required to be a revisionist.

And he's stuck here, by his own psychology!


From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 17 10:22:05 PDT 1996
Article: 66355 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: If Ole walks like a duck, and Ole talks like a....
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         Quite true.  It would be good for everyone to know that he came to power through
> constitutional means and that the government he replaced was governing
> unconstitutionally.
> 

Congratulations, Matt - you have now demonstrated TOTAL ignorance!


From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 17 12:25:15 PDT 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         That which does not destroy us makes us stronger.

You lost, Matt.

You've been reduced from the demon of alt.revisionism to a grumpy,
colicy child.

And I'm still too busy to expend any real effort on you.

I just rewrote the engine of the key configuration system to include
sveral major capabilities, including object oriented coding capabilities
(among others). Now I have to speed it up, yet again, to be able to
handle our intranet and act as a webserver plug-in.

However, I might just find some time for you here and there.

BTW - the postmaster laughed.

At you.




From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 17 13:55:55 PDT 1996
Article: 66386 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Revisionist control alt.revisionism
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         If there was any question of who was in charge of this confernce read
> it and weep, holohuggers.
> 
>         You folks have shot your biggest wad and lost.
> 
>         Want to go for broke?

Matt at 5 years of age:

"I won Mommy! I won!! I kept hitting his fist with my face until the
room turned black! When the lights came on he had a red fist and was so
hysterical he couldn't stop laughing!"

Matt at 50 years of age:

"I won Mommy! I won!! I kept hitting his fist with my face until the
room turned black! When the lights came on he had a red fist and was so
hysterical he couldn't stop laughing!"

Grow up, Matt!



From alec@gryn.org Wed Sep 18 09:12:59 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org
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Subject: The Talmud:  Most Misquoted Jewish Book
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Interesting Fiction.

Otherwise.

Idiotic repetition.


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tom moran wrote:
> 
>         Really?
> 
>         Questions for Mr.Anderson:
> 
>         What is meant by the term "half Jewish"?

Usually used by racists and idiots of all persuasions.

>         What is meant by the term "he/she looks Jewish"?

Some people actually resemble the stereotype. Some of them are Jewish.
Some aren't.

>         What is the connotations of a Jew being automatically a Jew if
> the mother is a Jew?

The same as a child is considered Roman Catholic if the mother is Roman
Catholic. Even in questions of paternity, the mother is still known.

>         Why do Jews use the term "racist" when condemning an adversary?

Why do you - er - idiots - make silly statements like this?

Most Jews, like most humans, call racists racists and slime slime.

The difference may be miniscule, but we musn't insult the slime by
forgetting it.

>         Why do they use the term "Semitic" which is in line with the
> categories Negro, Caucasian, Oriental or Amerind?

Why do you lust over pictures of little boys? Same reasoning.

*Jews* didn't invent the term "anti-semitic". It was coined by a
journalist who wanted to label all Jews as semites. 

That's pretty silly, because semites are the various racial groups bound
by a common heritage of LANGUAGE.

>         Why are Jews susceptible to certain diseases, one even being
> almost exclusive?

Why are *SOME* Jews susceptible to certain diseases?

For the same reason that many of Queen Victoria's offspring had
haemophiliac children - a common ancestor that carried it.

Again - a presumption of race where it cannot apply.


From alec@gryn.org Thu Sep 19 07:40:52 PDT 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: USS Liberty:  Relevance to Alt.Revisionism
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:12:55, ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
> >The deniers spend little if any time on putting forth their theory of what
> >actually happened if the holocaust didn't, as they really don't have one that
> >couldn't be debunked very easily.
> 
>         Then you have not read much of anything posted here.  What you claim has not
> been done has been done.  Why is it that you do not read?

Is this a new term in the Giwer Lexicon: "To read: A function consisting
of agreeing that material was posted - even though it wasn't."

Post the URL, Matt.
> 
> >Similarly, Jim Ennes and Liberty-fandom spend a great deal of time arguing --
> >with perhaps more heat than light -- that the Liberty *couldn't* have been
> >unintentionally targeted,
> 
>         This explained your problem.  The argument is clearly that it WAS DELIBERATELY
> targeted which is clearly the case.

Ayup! The gunners did aim at that foreign spy ship, alright!

Been there, Done that!

Would you like me to email the relevant material to you, Matt?

Surely you won't mind receiving all of it, will you?

Just ask for it.

Then you'll get it.

> 
>         Again, you are apologizing for the murderous state of Israel and all the
> murderers in it.
> 

The murderers in Israel are doing time behind bars, Matt.

Oops! I forgot the Giwer Lexicon: "Murderous State of Israel = a place
in Matt Giwers mind that has no bearing on reality."


From alec@gryn.org Thu Sep 19 07:40:53 PDT 1996
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         A fact without the least bit of physical evidence is hardly of 

I'm still offering to email it to you, Matt. 

I challenge you to request it, if you really believe that it doesn't
exist.


interest to
> adults.  It loses interest just as do stories about fairies and witches.  But
> there is a class of adults who never lose their interest in such stories.


We know about your interest in fairy tales, Matt.

That's why I keep telling you to GROW UP.

Ah, well, an adult zero is still a zero.


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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Subject: Re: Why Revisionists Today are Winning on A.R.
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         You mean that includes the harrassing phone calls I get from holhuggers?
> 

Did you ask the Telco to assist you, Matt? What's the PEC for the
software service that does it, Matt?

>         Does that include the admitted mailbombing of me by holohuggers like Alec
> Grynspan, ex-employee of a murdering organization run by a murdering country?

What mailbombs, Matt? I never mailbombed you. 

I didn't work for any murdering organization run by a murdering country
- unless you count Canada or the US, Matt.

> 
>         Does that include harrassing my service providers and the cheering when I was
> asked to leave my last ISP?  That was the obvious objective, an attempt to
> silience what holohuggers do not want to hear?

MATT GIWER talking about harassing service providers?!?!

POT, KETTLE, BLACK!

> 
>         Does that include a man identifying himself as Ken McVay calling my father to
> let me know they knew where to find him?  Please come back with the excuses but
> this time do not pretend that people are as naive as you would like them to be.

Wow! The latest interpretation! 

Where would that be? 

The hospital where he developed an ulcer in record time, because
somebody mentioned your name?


> 
>         Does that include the lie that I have ever threatened the life of anyone?  Are

Repeatedly.

> you going to continue that lie most recently started by Rosenberg (must be
> Jewish to have started that lie.)

Thank you for confirming Mr Rosenberg's statements, Matt.

It was you, after all!


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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: What is a "goyim"
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<*[*] [*] [tom moran] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: What is a "goyim"] [18 Sep 96 23:27][*][0]*>

 >> was. This being the case, a group of Rabbis went to the
 >> cemetary and disinterred the ladies corpse, claiming she had no
 >> right to be buried there among Jews.  What do you suppose the
 >> reasoning is behind this?

 tm>   Racism.

By the folks that made up the story.

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From alec@gryn.org Thu Sep 19 18:44:54 PDT 1996
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Acceptance makes truth] [19 Sep 96 14:24][*][0]*>

 >> It's a conspiracy, I tell you, a conspiracy!

 MG>   Only in the minds of traitorous scum who cheer the murder of
 MG> Americans by Jews.

As delusional as ever!

Provide the physical evidence of this, other than independent random
acts.

Oh, before I forget, a spy cannot be murdered by the people he is
spying upon.

Note : *CANNOT* be murdered - an impossibility.

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Sep 20 01:15:46 PDT 1996
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<*[*] [*] [tom moran] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: What is a "goyim"] [18 Sep 96 09:19][*][0]*>

 tm>   The statement was, "A "goyim" is a non-Jew".

 tm>   Your reply was "Wrong".

 tm>   When challenged to "right" the definition, you come back with
 tm> a plurilization reply, not part of the exchange.

 tm>   Mr.Anderson will always give it his 'best'.

Goy means "person of another nation."

Thus I am a goy to you and you are a goy to me.

That you are also an idiot is besides the point.

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Sep 20 11:46:35 PDT 1996
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         In the last two days I have posted twenty or so messages contrary to the
> holocaust myth and not one response from he holohuggers.

Contrary to the myth?

Ahhh! Then you agree that denying th holocaust is denying the myth!

> 
>         It is good that the holohuggers have remained silent on the matter.  They would
> embarrass themselves were they to object.

I doubt it. After all, there are days when talking down to children is a
relief from excessive amounts of intelligent conversation.

BTW - my system adjusts to your *REAL* address, Matt.

You no longer poest from Netcom, I see.


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<*[*] [*] [tom moran] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
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 tm>   Anyway, Judaism is a genetic movement, and anyone who tries to

Sammy Davis Jr.

 tm> argue against it will just end up looking as idiotic as the
 tm> attempts so far made here.

The Tom Moron Lexicon: "Looking idiotic" == "Anybody who can argue
rings around him"

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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
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 MG>   But this takes us back to what Alec G. was trying so hard to
 MG> explain.  Eastern European jews are those who have adopted the
 MG> customs of the Hebrews without being related to the Chosen
 MG> People.

I never said that Matt.

As delusional as always.

"Retiring" is not the same as being put on a psychiatric disability
pension, Matt.

 MG>   One does have to be very careful in talking about semitic
 MG> peoples as eastern European jews are not semitic.  They are
 MG> simply imitators of a primitive, tribal religion.

Who is talking about semitic peoples, Matt?

When did you start noticing this memory loss?

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From alec@gryn.org Sun Sep 22 00:08:40 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: The USS Liberty Tragedy: Communication Failure
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
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 >> incredible failure of communications", to quote the report,
 >> resulted in the loss of the messages ordering it to move
 >> away from the war zone.

 MG>   It was the open ocean, lying, traitorous murderer.

Was it in the way of the torpedoes? It was in the war zone, Alec
Grynspan.

 >> to the midst of a war.

 MG>   Your fellow jew murderers did it.

Now you're saying that Danny Keren was part of the Liberty crew?!?!

 >> historical event is different from yours, you declared that
 >> I am a "traitor" who should be executed.

 MG>   That is because you are a lying traitor for trying to cover up
 MG> for your fellow jew murderers.

Can you prove that Danny was part of the crew?

 >> Your "support" for freedom of speech is, of course, well-known.

 MG>   I fully support your right to show to the world just what you
 MG> jew murderers are like.  The more you murderers post the more I
 MG> like it.

Let's see, now. According to you, Danny Keren is a murderer of Jews
like his fellow crewmen on the Liberty - because you say so?

Can't you get anything right?

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Subject: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine] [20 Sep 96
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 >> Well, then the Liberty was illegally in the way of the practice
 >> runs of the Israelis.

 MG>   They were on the open seas.  There is nothing illegal about
 MG> that.  But is interesting to see you attempt to introduce
 MG> another lie about "practice runs" to try to cover up murder.
 MG> You murderers hang together when in fact you should hang
 MG> separately.

Your delusions to the contrary, the "open sea" happens to be located
on another planet - not on Earth.

That excuse can't be used by a country that doesn't respect the
sovereinity of its neighbours and allies.

You are so far gone that you can't even recognize contemptuous
sarcasm.

 >> The war was declared, Matt. There was a war zone.

 MG>   You are invited to present the declaration of war as passed by
 MG> the Knesset.  Of course there was none. You attempt to lie
 MG> again.

You really are a schmuck. The war was declared *BY THE ARABS* in
1947. It was still in effect in 1967.

As for the declaration of war as passed by the Knesset - ayup!

 >> Want proof? Look at the Liberty. The Israelis only attacked
 >> ships in the war zone.

 MG>   War zones at sea have to be declared.  Please post the
 MG> declaration.  Again there was none.  Again you lie to cover your
 MG> fellow murderers.

The declaration was printed in front of the first bullet sent.

You are a total zero, Matt.

I have no "fellow murderers", since I was not a member of the Liberty
crew.

The war zone was communicated to the US, which announced it as being
100 miles out from Israel - by ordering the withdrawal of all
American craft to a minimum of that distance.

 MG>   You are invited to post the international law in that regard.
 MG> There is none. Again you lie to cover your fellow murderers.

International Law: "DUH".

You are so ignorant that I don't wonder why you "retired" so early.


 >> MG> That makes that attack at best an act of piracy.

 >> As usual - delusional.

 MG>   You lying is all to evident, murderer.

As usual, all that you have is epithets and libels - no facts.

 >> The only lie would be "The Liberty was unfairly assaulted."

 >> When did they say that?

 MG>   The claim that it was a mistake can only be true if the pilots
 MG> were blind.  As they were not blind, Israel attacked
 MG> deliberately and you are defending your fellow murderers.

No - they shot at a target and they hit it.

The target was an enemy spy ship. That's exactly what it looked
like.

Your logic is so poor that it's a wonder that you ever had a job at
all! Was it a mercy hiring?

 MG>   You defend your fellow murderers.

Where have I ever defended the actions of your family or the
Liberty? 

 >> BTW - nobody was murdered on the Liberty. That would have been
 >> impossible.

 MG>   It was not only possible but your fellow murderers did it.

As I've already stated, I am not a member of your family, an
American or part of the crew of the Liberty.

 >> Agreed. The Liberty was manned by cold-blooded murderers.

 MG>   You have admitted murdering people while an employee of the
 MG> Jewish intelligence agency.  The Mossad has admitted to murder.

I have never admitted that. You are still as delusional as always.

 MG>   Now lets get on to the barbarous act of strafing the
 MG> liferafts.

 MG>   Tel Aviv should have been nuked in response.

Why? For something that was a legal action?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Sun Sep 22 00:08:41 PDT 1996
Article: 67540 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: What is a "goyim"
Date: 20 Sep 96 20:02:01
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: What is a "goyim"] [19 Sep 96 11:34][*][0]*>

 >> Some people actually resemble the stereotype. Some of them are
 >> Jewish. Some aren't.

 MG>   You mean there are no JAP nose jobs?

What your son had done is of no concern here.

 >> The same as a child is considered Roman Catholic if the mother
 >> is Roman Catholic. Even in questions of paternity, the mother
 >> is still known.

 MG>   But that is not true, not even chose.  There is nothing
 MG> automatic about a child being a Roman Catholic and it has
 MG> nothing to do with maternity or paternity.  No wonder you are so
 MG> confused.

No wonder you decided to be an atheist. You don't even know that bit
of information!

Egads, you're ignorant!

 >>> Why do they use the term "Semitic" which is in line
 >>> with the categories Negro, Caucasian, Oriental or Amerind?

 >> Why do you lust over pictures of little boys? Same reasoning.

 MG>   When there is no answer ...

When there is no answer - Matt talks!

If you have trouble with human reasoning, ask your "son".

And to think that a Jew would stoop that low.

You, Matt - we won't talk about. You'll believe anything!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Even a Giwer doesn't understand Giwer.
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From alec@gryn.org Sun Sep 22 07:51:32 PDT 1996
Article: 67551 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Acceptance makes truth
Date: 19 Sep 96 20:17:30
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
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 MG>   You are certainly a gullible little squat.  Four nations with
 MG> complete control of Europe with all the investigators they
 MG> wanted, millions of man hours of inestigation and a few
 MG> researchers manage to find so much information that Nuremberg is
 MG> only a small part of it.

 MG>   Do you realize how foolish that sounds?

Yes, your disbelief sounds incredibly foolish.


 MG>   Yes, it is people who have disregarded the findings of those
 MG> millions of man hours in favor of a very narrow story that

The millions of man hours found that the gassing of victims
occurred.

So?

What's wrong with that?

 MG> disregards mass steamings, electrocutions and suffocations,
 MG> burning without fuel and the like.

Ah, yes! Your delusional postings out of context are evidence?

Good grief, Matt - when will you get some working meds?!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Remember the story of the Billy Goats Gruff!
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From alec@gryn.org Sun Sep 22 07:51:33 PDT 1996
Article: 67552 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine
Date: 19 Sep 96 20:22:11
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine] [19 Sep 96
13:24][*][0]*>

 MG>   Any ship has a right to be any place on the ocean as long as
 MG> outside the territorial limits of any nation and then has the
 MG> right of free passage.  There was no declared war and no
 MG> declared war zone.

Well, then the Liberty was illegally in the way of the practice runs
of the Israelis.

The war was declared, Matt. There was a war zone.

Want proof? Look at the Liberty. The Israelis only attacked ships in
the war zone.

The territorial limits of Israel are one mile further out than they
can reach when there's a war on - like every nation.

 MG>   That makes that attack at best an act of piracy.

As usual - delusional.

 MG>   Sure, give us all the lies of Israel on the subject.

The only lie would be "The Liberty was unfairly assaulted."

When did they say that?

 MG>   But as you know the error was impossible to make.

Thanks for admitting that it was an error with a Giwerism of such
depth.

 MG>   Gee, and the firing was after a 45 minute deliberate air
 MG> attack that had already murdered some 17 people by the same
 MG> military of the same country.  Self defense is quite improper
 MG> when it is against Israelis.

Let's see, now. According to Ennes, the planes were unmarked and
were only known to be Israeli afterwards. The boats came in
signalling and flying the Israeli flags. And they get shot at.

Ayup!

BTW - nobody was murdered on the Liberty. That would have been
impossible.

 MG>   Also quite dangerous given what coldblooded murderers they
 MG> are.

Agreed. The Liberty was manned by cold-blooded murderers.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We're laughing at you Matt - you pathetic fool!
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Anti-Racists Control Everything] [21 Sep 96 13:08][*][0]*>


 MG>   Yes, you should be embarrassed by your deliberat
 MG> mis-statements of what I have said.  When do you get around to
 MG> graduating?

Tsk!

Nowhere in his message did he *EVER* say that you were right!

So how could there be any mis-statements?

Jeez, you're ignorant, Matt!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Bogus quoting is an admission of failure
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 23 07:45:36 PDT 1996
Article: 67905 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fatbroad T-shirt
Date: 20 Sep 96 19:59:35
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fatbroad T-shirt] [20 Sep 96 03:14][*][0]*>

 >> Could it be that l'il tommy, a rather vicious anti-Semite,
 >> believes that Giwer's statements are acceptable?

 MG>   It matters not that what I say is acceptable to holohuggers.

 MG>   The fact that matters is that what I say is dominant.

Nope!

BTW - you shouldn't have been so ready to believe her about Jr.

His real father is Jewish.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Poor Matt - he is trying, you know. Very trying.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 23 07:45:37 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine
Date: 22 Sep 96 21:42:55
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine] [22 Sep 96
11:02][*][0]*>


 >> You are so far gone that you can't even recognize contemptuous
 >> sarcasm.

 MG>   Open seas have been on earth for a century and a half as a
 MG> part of ending government sponsored piracy.  You attempt to

Talk about dumb!

It was the exact opposite!

Crimes on the high seas were made an acceptable reason for
government intervention - in order to block the pirates who took
advantage of the open seas!

 MG> protect jewish murderers is touching but still false.

I don't protect Jewish murderers. There was not even *ONE* American
murdered during the 67 war.

 >> You really are a schmuck. The war was declared *BY THE ARABS*
 >> in 1947. It was still in effect in 1967.

 MG>   You are invited to present that declaration.

Look it up, schmuck! It was done IN THE UN!

 >> As for the declaration of war as passed by the Knesset - ayup!

 MG>   You are invited to present that declaration.

Look it up. It's on the net.

 MG>   Of course you will continue to talk about them as though they
 MG> were true but you will not present what does not exist.

You will get that as part of the package of physical evidence that
you claim doesn't exist, but which you refuse.


 >> The declaration was printed in front of the first bullet sent.

 MG>   Must have used a real small pen.  Thank you for admitting
 MG> there was no declaration of war.  Perhaps you never understood
 MG> why the US did not declare a war zone around either Korea or
 MG> Vietnam.

As much lost as ever, Matt. That was sarcasm.

 >> I have no "fellow murderers", since I was not a member of the
 >> Liberty crew.

 MG>   You have admitted murdering for the Mossad.  The Mossad is a
 MG> Jewish intelligence organization.  Those who murdered members of

Post the URL, Matt. Nope - I never admitted anything of the sort.

Nor did the Israelis murder a single American during the 67 war.

 MG>   That is close enough to "fellow murderers" for me.

By your definitional methods, you are a child-molester, an
abortionist, a rapist, a cannibal and a mass murderer - as well as a
war criminal. Because an American was involved in doing every one of
those crimes and you are an American citizen.

 >> being 100 miles out from Israel - by ordering the withdrawal of
 >> all American craft to a minimum of that distance.

 MG>   You are invited to present that communication.  Even in all of
 MG> the Israeli lies to cover up the murders that was not claimed.

No, it wasn't presented among Israeli lies - just among Israeli
truths.

 MG>   It is interesting how fluidly jews lie to protect Israel.

Giwer lexicon: Telling the truth == "Jews Lie to protect Israel"

No wonder you were turfed for psychiatric reasons!

 >> You are so ignorant that I don't wonder why you "retired" so
 >> early.

 MG>   Then post it, murderer.

Look it up, alec.

 >> As usual, all that you have is epithets and libels - no facts.

 MG>   I am merely your statement to me on the phone about having
 MG> done wetwork for the Mossad.  And of course there were your
 MG> posts here.  Perhaps not in Canada but in the US repeating your
 MG> statement is not libel.

You can present the URLs can't you?

You do have a certified tape of that conversation, don't you?

So far the only thing certified is you.

 >> The target was an enemy spy ship. That's exactly what it looked
 >> like.

 MG>   Alec, Alec, your personal explanation is of interest only to
 MG> you.  Israel claimed it was a misidentification of an Egyptian
 MG> ship which was impossible to confuse with the Liberty.

(*SHRUG*) So maybe they helped some ***>AMERICANS<*** cover up their
blunder for screwing around in a war zone.

 MG>   As no time did Israel claim they mudered the crew because it
 MG> was a spy ship. That is purely your invention.

Of course they didn't say it - because there were no murders!

 MG>   You willingness to make up your own excuses for murder is
 MG> noted.

I keep asking you to point out the murders and all you do is point
to a situation which cannot be murder by definition.

 MG>   But at least you making progress.  You are admiting the
 MG> official israeli explanation is a lie.  That is something going
 MG> for you.

No - the official explanation is sufficient. The fact that there are
dozens of valid explanations possible that leave Israel in the clear
besides the one given is purely hypothesizing.

What on earth did you get a degree in - basket-weaving?!?

 >> Where have I ever defended the actions of your family or the
 >> Liberty?

 MG>   Only an israeli jew can consider the victims murderers.

Well, you just did it without even trying!

Why was the Liberty spying, Matt?


++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 23 13:02:53 PDT 1996
Article: 68042 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: USS Liberty
Date: 22 Sep 96 21:31:20
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[USS Liberty] [22 Sep 96 11:03][*][0]*>

 MG>   Progress is being made on the subject.  Alec Grynspan has
 MG> admitted the official Israeli explanation for the murders is a
 MG> lie.

Post the URL, schmuck.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: holohugging traitors
Date: 23 Sep 96 07:18:47
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: holohugging traitors] [22 Sep 96 12:25][*][0]*>

 >> He's an ambitious little troll! He'll probably want to
 >> execute all Mossad members too!

 MG>   They are murderers.  Would you prefer nuking Tel Aviv instead?

Why? Nuking Washington makes more sense!

 MG> Why should Israel get away with murder?

They don't. They didn't. There wasn't any.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 23 13:02:55 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: The USS Liberty attack, no accident
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<*[*] [*] [Joel Rosenberg] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
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 JR> Again:  look at that face, read his home page, and
 JR> then tell me you don't feel sorry for the poor, lost, sick
 JR> fellow.

Do you feel sorry for diseased cockroaches?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 23 21:51:21 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Doctoral Candidates, Change Your Research to This!
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18:36][*][0]*>


 n> Ha, ha, ha!!  My activities are within the criteria for spamming
 n> according to the JEM Cancelbot.  However, you have set your own
 n> standards for your own activities.

The GRYN cancelbot, on the other hand, is a different story.

Ever hear of the UPD?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 23 21:51:23 PDT 1996
Article: 68181 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: HAHAHAHA!  Giwer blows it for the N+1 Time where N > infinity
Date: 22 Sep 96 21:32:37
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: HAHAHAHA!  Giwer blows it for the N+1 Time where N > infinity] [22 Sep
96 10:36][*][0]*>


 MG>   Gee, and all I said was who speaks it.  I said nothing about
 MG> what feel-good law there might designate.

My aunts, uncles, cousins, their friends, IDF personnel...

 MG>   Maybe you never watch ITN or CNN to hear live coverage of
 MG> government speeches given in english, on your TV they come
 MG> through in hebrew.  Perhaps you can tell me just how many street

And so does Yeltsin, the Vulcans, the Klingons...

Ignorant - and so ygly that you were willing to have a kid foisted
on you that wasn't yours! Wadda Marroon!

 MG> and shop signs you have seen in Hebrew.  How many times have you
 MG> seen Tel Aviv and Jerusalem spelled in hebrew characters?

Hundreds of times - and that was without even going there.

There's a new Jim Carrey sequel coming out.

    "Dumb, Dumber, Really idiotic and Matt Giwer"

 MG>   Perhaps you are going to claim the Demjanjuk show trial was
 MG> conducted in hebrew.

Maybe not the show trial, but the real one was.

 MG>   Perhaps you claim Israeli laws are promulgated in hebrew?

Ayup!

 MG> reality?  I have known quite a few Israeli ciitzens and now one
 MG> of them spoke hebrew although one claimed the slight hebrew

THank you for admitting that you never met an Israeli.

 MG>   It is amazing how far you folks will go to protect jewish
 MG> murderers.

The ones that you define as "Jewish Murderers" all qualify for
sainthood.

No Americans were murdered during that war, Matt.

Not one.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 24 07:37:33 PDT 1996
Article: 68290 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: holohugging traitors
Date: 20 Sep 96 20:10:53
Organization: Neuro Mancer's - The Gateway of Choice
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<*[*] [*] [Daniel Keren] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: holohugging traitors] [20 Sep 96 04:50][*][0]*>

 DK> There was no Arab-Israeli war going on in June 8, 1967.

 DK> I always knew the "revisionists" would get to that, sooner or
 DK> later.

Of course not! The Arabs gave Israel the land and then reneged and
wanted it back! In the meantime, the USS Liberty, after getting too
rambunctious from all that shore leave accidentally set off the tank
full of Vodka!

It's all a plot to discredit poor Matt's colander supplier. You
know, the ones that keep out telepathic waves from invisible
satellites manned by Feminazi Jellyfish!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 24 08:13:55 PDT 1996
Article: 68315 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: holohugging traitors
Date: 22 Sep 96 21:41:24
Organization: Neuro Mancer's - The Gateway of Choice
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: holohugging traitors] [22 Sep 96 12:18][*][0]*>


 MG>   Even Alec Grynspan agrees there was no declaration of war.

Post the URL, Matt.

There was a declaration of war - by the Arabs, even!


++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Sep 24 08:13:56 PDT 1996
Article: 68316 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: What is a "goyim"
Date: 22 Sep 96 21:39:46
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: What is a "goyim"] [22 Sep 96 11:16][*][0]*>

 MG>   Tradition and raised by have nothing to do with the subject at
 MG> hand.  If it is of any interest to you, that is RC Church policy
 MG> worldwide.

Ayup!


++GMAIL 1.3++ Your throat still hurt when you wiggle your toes?
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From alec@gryn.org Thu Sep 26 14:44:33 PDT 1996
Article: 69037 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Does anyone have it?
Date: 26 Sep 96 10:10:28
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Does anyone have it?] [25 Sep 96 00:40][*][0]*>

 MG>   And you are the best of all, McFly.  There is truly no one in
 MG> there.  You respond to what I write and then blame me for making
 MG> you respond.  "He made me hit him!"

Hell, no, Matt - you that wrong, too!

It's "But he makes himself such an easy target! Why put out effort
making deniers look like dorks when Matt does it with no effort at
all?"

I said to these folks "Matt Giwer, supertroll, will be gone in 4-6
weeks. Watch me."

I was ahead of schedule and doing it only part-time. The Matt Giwer
that's left is the best ally that the honest folk here can have -
showing everybody the diseased mind that lives in the denier's
skull.

You blew it, Matt. You're stuck here by your own psychology. No
moderators to get you out. Your attempts at mailbombing have done
zero damage to anybody but you. Mike Carr at ican.net knows you for
the fruitloop that you are. Your claims of harassment have
backfired. Your attempts to harass get you booted to another ISP...

Even the possibility of ducking out by claiming to have been booted
>from  all the ISPs is a failure. There are so many of them.

Even your trying to get to the folks that I paid for name service
failed. They know you for what you are.

You're a nothing, Matt. A zero who couldn't keep a job - as has
become obvious to everybody.

Your casual hint that you're a genius (IQ 163?!?!) is a joke now.

The longer you stay, the more people laugh at you. Even the other
nutcases, like Huber, Baron, ect, avoid you - wishing that you'd
switch sides or something.

If Dahlman hadn't butted in at Smartnet, forcing me to maintain a
commitment that I would not have had, you would have been where you
are now 2 years earlier - because you would have come here that much
sooner when you ran out of places to go.

So he's the schmuck who gave you an extended lease on your putative
sanity - by being a focus as more shrill than yourself.

But he's gone off elsewhere - leaving you with no target that
responds as reflexively.

The folks here reflexed well - for a few weeks. Now they know you.

Where will you go next, Matt? Some little net that doesn't know of
your antics? There are none, any more. The members all have access
to the Internet - and DejaNews.

So you try to maintain the delusion of mastering a medium, but fail.
You can't leave and you can't get anybody to force you out.

Every day you look for something to prop up your attempt to deny
your nothingness - and you get more proof. You're an addict, Matt.

You have nothing.

You are nothing.

Your nature denies you the ability to leave.

Welcome to hell.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Calling Matt a zero insults zeros
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From alec@gryn.org Sat Sep 28 16:04:30 PDT 1996
Article: 69653 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: the zero, no three, no four, no, um...
Date: 28 Sep 96 13:57:43
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: the zero, no three, no four, no, um...] [27 Sep 96 16:12][*][0]*>

 MG>   This is exactly the four things I have been saying for weeks.
 MG> Are you going to pretend you have not been following the
 MG> conference again?

Weeks?!?!

Try seconds.

BTW - If you want the physical evidence mailed to you, just ask.

Then you'll get it.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 30 07:33:28 PDT 1996
Article: 70079 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: the zero, no three, no four, no, um...
Date: 29 Sep 96 18:09:20
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: the zero, no three, no four, no, um...] [28 Sep 96 20:58][*][0]*>


 MG>   That you have not been paying attention is not my fault.  Get
 MG> with the probem or call 1-800-BEWHOLE right away.

Try to stay on course, Matt. I don't swing that way.


++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 30 07:33:29 PDT 1996
Article: 70108 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.flame,alt.revisionism
Subject: Goyim are scum
Date: 29 Sep 96 18:01:53
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<*[*] [*] [Dave Harman OBC] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Goyim are scum] [28 Sep 96 13:12][*][0]*>


 DO> Good Question:  Should the goyim treat Jews in the same manner
 DO> that the
 DO>                 Torah and Talmud treat Gentiles?

It would be an improvement.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Sep 30 07:33:29 PDT 1996
Article: 70162 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Liberty's attack on Israel was cold-blooded murder.
Date: 29 Sep 96 18:07:06
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Liberty's attack on Israel was cold-blooded murder.] [28 Sep 96
21:53][*][0]*>

 MG> observation.      BTW:  Mike Carr has not responded to my offer
 MG> of copies of the rest of your mailbombs.  Are you sure he really
 MG> wants them?

What mailbombs? Mike knows about you, Matt - the worlds only walking
zero.

Errrr - you did learn how to walk, didn't you?

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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