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Newsgroups: can.general,edm.general
Subject: Eleven Questions William Grosvenor won't answer
Summary: A growing list of questions dealing with lies and
         distortions published to the net by the man calling
         himself "William Grosvenor."
Followup-To: can.general
Keywords: CGA Canada,Grosvenor,Gruber,Edmonton,Alberta

Archive/File: people/g/grosvenor.william/gruber-10q
Last-Modified: 2000/04/24

Mr. "Grosvenor," 

It would be unfair to label you as either a liar or
an irrational hater of Jews without offering you the
opportunity to explain the distortions and errors noted below.

As I am certain you are a busy chap, I will republish these
questions on a regular basis, in order to provide you with
ample time to deal with the issues raised. I will also add to
them, in the event you continue to publish similarly
misleading material.

Question 1

   On May 13, 1996, you made the statement:

      "Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder 
      of unborn babies at his abortionariums." (Grosvenor,
      Jews for Faggots)

   Question 1 is a two-parter:

   1. What proof do you offer that this doctor is Jewish?
   2. What difference would it make if he were?

Question 2

   In May of 1996, you, Sir, made the following statements:

      "In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith 
      and other jewish groups are openly supporting special rights 
      for faggots and for more powers for the socalled human 
      rights commission." (Grosvenor, Jews for Faggots)


      "If you feel that faggots should not get special rights 
      at the expense of your dollars and those of all normal humans, 
      then join AFL - ANTI-FAGGOT LEAGUE." (Grosvenor, Support AFL)


      "I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the 
      faggot loving   Canadian government wants to give them."
      (Grosvenor, Faggots Spread)


      "Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are 
      supporting the faggots and lesbians. The groups want the Alberta 
      government to give special rights to the perverts,presumably as 
      one more attempt to destroy the traditional family."
      (Grosvenor, Why Are Jews)

   The question, Mr. "Grosvenor," is why you have lied about
   B'nai Brith and others, who have not called upon the
   government to "give special rights" to gays and/or

Question 3

On May 30, 1996, you posted the following article to an
Internet topical discussion group:

      "Canadian news media report that the subject of the KOSHER 
      TAX is again under investigation by Revenue Canada Taxation.

      "The story on the business page, states that many manufacturers, 
      such as for Saran Wrap, sanka Coffee,Mr.Clean, etc. must pay 
      extra fees to rabbis to have their products declared kosher.

      "This extra cost is then passed on to every customer.

      "Some people have been trying to claim the extra $300 per person 
      per year as a so-called charitable donation on their tax returns. 
      The tax department has disallowed this fraud, since no willing 
      charitable donation was given, nor a receipt provided.

      "Apparently some non-Jews tried to claim this,and are now very 
      angry at being disallowed. To add insult to injury, they had no 
      choice in the costs of their purchases, since the extra costs 
      paid to the rabbis is buried in the total costs."
      (Grosvenor, Kosher Tax)

Here is the ACTUAL text of the article you cited:

      "Tall tax tale isn't kosher"

      "Kosher Question: Can I claim a $300 kosher tax deduction for 
      buying Saran Wrap, Mr. Clean, Sanka and other products that 
      have been blessed by rabbis and identified by secret symbols?

      "Answer: No. This old and vicious rumour is based on anti-Semitic 
      scapegoating that tries to blame Jews for higher prices - to pay 
      the rabbis - then claims Jews are the only ones who know the 
      secret symbols and claim the kosher deduction. It's all false." 
      (Chalmers, Ron. Edmonton Journal, Business section, "Money 
      Matters," front page, May 29, 1996)

   The question, of course, is why you misrepresented (to be
   kind) the contents of this article?

Question 4

   You wrote (September 1996):

      "Ken OyVey, the maggot representing the Jewish Terrorist groups 
      including JDL..." (Grosvenor, OyVey Concerned)

   Please provide the proof of your assertion that someone named
   "Ken OyVey" represents any terrorist group.

Question 5

   In the same article, you also said:

      "The fact that Revenue Canada and the Auditor General of Canada 
      fingered the Bronfmans for moving 2 BILLION DOLLARS out of Canada 
      in contravention of Revenue Canada tax laws has also increased 
      anti-JEW feelings in Quebec." (Ibid.)
   contains the judgment of the Federal Court of Canada in this

   Please demonstrate (1) that the government, in fact, "fingered"
   the Bronfman family as you have described, and (2) provide
   documentation supporting the assertion that the Bronfman
   family has "increased anti-JEW feelings in Quebec."    

   Take your time, Mr. Grosvenor.. I have several decades to
   wait, although in your case it won't matter.

Question 6
   Moving right along, you added:

      "The fact that the JEWS do not obey the French label laws for 
      foods imported into Quebec has of course antagonised the normal, 
      mainly Catholic residents of Quebec." (Ibid.)

   Please name the statute that the Quebec Jews are not obeying. Provide 
   a reference to the complete text - don't bother reporting on it 
   yourself, you are an established liar and cannot be trusted in such 
   matters. Once you have made your case by doing that, we can move on to 
   the second part of the question.

Question 7

   In full cry, you continued with:

      "Notice that OyVey refuses to answer complaints about the actions 
      of the JEWS. Rather, it prefers to continue asking irrelevant 
      personal questions, based on false news clippings.But, what can 
      one expect from such as OyVey, who was for some reason relieved 
      from the US Military, according to other posts." (Ibid.)

   Please provide a precise reference for the "false news clippings" 
   which prompt "irrelevant personal questions." Given your
   history of frivolous litigation, explain why you have not sued
   the publishers of these "false news clippings" for libel.

   The second part of this question, of course, is to ask that you
   identify this "OyVey" you seem to be obsessing over.

Question 8

   Capping off your frenzy of vomitus, you conclude:

      "One must also wonder about its' sexual orientation, since he 
      is very favourably inclined to the AIDS carrying faggots. Is it 
      one of them,which is why it has no family or children??One must 
      wonder about other aspects of the background of this piece of 
      foreign excrement living in Canada." (Ibid.)

   Please identify this "it" that you are talking about in the
   paragraph above, Mr. Grosvenor.

Question Nine

   On October 3, 1996, you outdid yourself, Mr. Grosvenor, and
   offered us a whopper that amazed even hardened Grosvenor

      "Particularly when the respected International Red Cross stated 
      that only 320,000 Jews were unaccounted for as a result of the 
      war???"(Grosvenor, Don't Forget)

   I ask you to consider the following, Mr. Grosvenor, and then explain 
   your comment above after doing so:


					Geneva, 10 May 1979

   Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with the figures
   you are seeking, since the ICRC has never tried to compile
   statistics on the victims of the war and has never certified
   the accuracy of the statistics produced by a third party. In
   fact, the basic aim of the ICRC is to come to the aid of
   victims of armed conflicts and not to act as a commission of
   enquiry or a statistics service.

   With regard to the figure of 300,000 victims quoted on page 28
   of the document you sent us, on 19 January 1955 the newspaper
   "Die Tat" published an article (of which a photocopy is
   enclosed) giving figures for the victims of the Second World
   War, including that of 300,000.

   As you will see upon reading this article, first, the figure
   of 300,000 was not given by the ICRC and, secondly, it refers
   only to the _German_ victims (Jews and non-Jews) of the
   concentration camps. The authors of the booklet have therefore
   doubly falsified their information, by claiming that the
   figure relates to all the Jewish deportation victims and by
   naming the ICRC as its source.


				Yours faithfully,
				R. Gaillard-Moret
				Head of Documentation
				and Dissemination

   (For the complete letter, see

Question Ten
   In a series of January 1997 articles, you included the following text:

      "Since Ken McVay also operates out of a synagogue, wondering minds 
      now really want to know about what is he REALLY doing in the 
      synagogue???" (Grosvenor, KIDDIE PORN)

   The challenge, of course, is simple - As I operate out of my
   home, and am happily prepared to establish that fact in a court
   of law, please provide some explanation of why you have claimed that I 
   do not.

Question Eleven

   In early 1999, you claimed that a news article reported that a
   Federal Court judge had "...ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the 
   more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!" (Grosvenor, Mudloon,
   3 January 1999)

   The actual Canadian Press article, however, said nothing of the

   Why did you make this false claim? 

Followups directed to can.general

 [Work cited section follows]

                                Work Cited

   Grosvenor, William. UseNet can.general,tor.general,ab.general,
      Subject: "Support AFL - ANTI FAGGOT LEAGUE," May 6, 1996,
      Message-ID:, archived in
      (one line)

   ------------------. Usenet alt.revisionism. Subject: "Jews for 
      Faggots in Alberta," May 13, 1996. Message-Id: 4n7r5c$
      archived in (one line)

   ------------------. UseNet edm.general,ab.general,can.general,
      Subject: "FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?," May 15, 1996, 
      Message-ID:, archived in
      (one line)

   ------------------. UseNet ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,
      tor.general,calgary.general,van.general, Subject: "Why are Jews 
      Supporting Faggots?," May 15 1996, Message-ID:, archived in

   ------------------. UseNet alt.revisionism, Subject: "KOSHER TAX 
      in Canada," May 30, 1996, Message-ID:,
      archived within

   ------------------. UseNet alt.revisionism,can.general,qc.general,
      mtl.general. Subject: "OyVey Concerned About Quebec JEWS,"
      Date: Sep 27, 1996, Message-ID:

   ------------------. UseNet alt.revisionism, Subject: "Re: DON'T FORGET 
      JEW SET UP CHEKA FOR COMMIES," October 3, 1996, Message-ID:
      archived within

   ------------------. UseNet ns.general. Subject: "SYNAGOGUE CANTOR 
      CONVICTED OF KIDDIE PORN IN HALIFAX!!!!," January 7, 1997.

   ------------------. UseNet: ont.general,qc.general,mtl.general.
      Subject: "SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN CRIMINAL!!!," January 8, 1997.

   ------------------. UseNet soc.culture.lebanon,alt.revisionism.
     Subject: "SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN CRIMINAL!!!," January 8, 1997

   ------------------.  UseNet alt.culture.saudi,alt.illuminati. Subject:

   ------------------. UseNet: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.german, Subject: "SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN 
      CRIMINAL!!!," January 8, 1997

   ------------------. UseNet: soc.culture.canada,can.general,
      alt.white-power, Subject: "COURT ORDERS JEW
      Message-ID: <>

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