From pmok@ee.ualberta.ca Mon Jun  3 17:03:08 PDT 1996
Article: 79107 of can.general
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From: pmok@ee.ualberta.ca (Peng F. Mok)
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Subject: Re: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA-listen up
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 05:24:13 GMT
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In article ,
   WAHRHEIT  wrote:

>What in the world do your stupid comments have to do with the warnings to
>immigrants provided by Mr.Grosvenor?
>
>From what you provided he is a successful businessman, who has
>successfully defended multi-million dollar lawsuits because he was right.
>
>His warnings about problems in Canada have convinced many people to look
>elsewhere for immigration choices.
>
>You seem to be a student, so what do you know about the problems of
>immigration?
>
___________________________________________________________________________

Aha.  Fan mail. 

There is a program called WsFinger v1.7 that can be downloaded from 
ftp://sparky.umd.edu/pub/winsock/wsfinger17.zip. This program allows your 
computer to contact the computer at the other end and find out any available 
details about the sender.  So my finger query to WAHRHEIT came back thus

[cris.com]
Login: Wahrheit                   Name:  William Grosvenor
Directory:  /U/Wahrheit           Shell:  /bin/csh 
CRCNet  User ID:  WAHRHEIT
Email address Wahrheit@cris.com
User is not logged in.
No mail information available.
No plan.


What should I do about this information and all that stuff I have been 
receiving over the week?  Well try make some sense out of it.  Here goes.


*********************************************
1.  Writing in third person about himself?

Diagnosis:   Signs of advanced associative multipersonality disorder.
____________________________________________

2.  From what you provided he is a successful businessman, who has
successfully defended multi-million dollar lawsuits because he was right.

(Original text reads:  The Edmonton Journal,  Fri 01 Dec 1989,  page F7,   
"Man Pledges not to speak anti-Triple Five"

William Grosvenor has been found in contempt of a civil court order
not to speak against Triple Five Corp.  or interfere in its business.)

Diag:        Needs Remedial Reading classes.  Delusions of grandeur.
_____________________________________________

3.  AVOID CANADA gave very useful information regarding avoiding being
swindled by the touts trying to sell overpriced real estate.

AVOID CANADA gave very useful information regarding the terrible taxes in
Canada.

AVOID CANADA warned about the risk of contracting AIDS from the
contaminated blood supply in Canada.

(snip more AVOID CANADA warnings)

Diag:        Acute Paranoia.
_____________________________________________

4.   Feel free to get back to me.
William Grosvenor, P.Mgr., FIC, FIAA
Former Senior Consultant to INTAN Malaysia.

P.S.  Guage my credibility over that of some student desperately living off 
welfare at UofA, who has never worked for his livlihood, and who is jealous of 
those who succeed.I dop not apologise for making public the fact that the 
Jewish Ghermezians got over $600 millions of Edmonton taxpayer funds, plus 
another $300-$600 millions from Alberta Treasury.How will you feel,as business 
owners,at having to subsidise with your money a competitor?

Diag:       Persecution complex.   Reality challenged.
___________________________________________

5. (patch email from Grosvenor fan)

"  Hi Kelvin,

I've actually been running across Mr. Grosvenor on Usenet for the past 
year and a half or so.  He used to post frequent 'warnings' about 
'dangerous' GM cars to a bunch auto and consumer groups.  It turns out 
that he let a car coast out of control down a mountain slope in BC, and 
blamed the cruise control for not applying the brakes for him.  He also 
kept threatening a lawsuit against GM, Avis, dealers, etc.

" Then he started showing up in travel groups 'warning' people against 
visiting BC.  Seems he got a speeding ticket and this was his way of 
getting back at the RCMP.

" He also showed up in travel groups last October 'warning' people against 
the impending marshal law in Quebec, and how travellers should avoid those 
bad "Frenchies" in the province. "
(snip other stuff)

  (patch second email)
"  http://www.connect.ab.ca/~shnik/grosvenor/main.htm

" Hi Kelvin,

It turns out his web page is still on the web.  It looks like shnik is 
the guy who set up the pages for him, and this stuff still resides on 
shnik's account."
(snip)

   (patch third email)
"   For instance, for much of the last few months he had been posting dozens 
(hundreds?) of copies of his rant against CGAs.
(snip) (CGA=Certified General Accountant). 

"BTW, an easy way to find posts by Grosvenor is to go to AltaVista (www.
altavista.com), select search on Usenet and search for "from:acumen" or 
"from:wahrheit" (no quotes).  This will search most of Usenet over the last 
month for any posts from accounts starting with acumen or wahrheit.

"Another useful search engine is www.dejanews.com.  It can find articles from 
the past year or so, although it is not a complete database.  Select "Power 
Search", then "Create Query Filter", then in the 'From' form, enter 
"acumen@*" (no quotes).  It will come back with something like "Query Filter 
size xxx documents".  Click on that to get the list of all his posts it 
found from the last year."
(snip)


Diag:  Attention deficit disorder, short attention span, Hyper kinetic 
activity, runaway imagination...... ... .. . .;    


Conclusion: All in all a Certifiable__________________(fill in the blank).

**************************************************

I'm sorry.  I apologise.  I shouldn't be practicing psychiatrity without 
training or a license.  Its also unbecoming of me to dissect anyone in this 
manner and I will not write anything further on this thread.  However, Mr. 
Grosvenor does raise an important issue - how to protect oneself from 
charlatans.

If you have followed this thread over the past week or so you would have noted 
that Canada is an open country where if you ask the right places most 
information can be obtained without too much difficulty. (Actually I checked 
up a lot more places and had answers that gave me a very good profile of G.  I 
can't print them (verbal opinions cannot be verified) but anyone can make the 
same phone checks.

If its just opinions and discussions you can believe anything you want.  But 
if its your life savings or if a substantial amount of money is involved 
please check out the claims of whoever you hire.  Check out their academic and 
professional affliations - all it needs are several phone calls.  If they 
claim to have done something great check out the newspaper reports, the 
services mentioned are free and I hope I have shown you how to do it.  If you 
are at the stage of placing substantial amounts of money with someone you 
haven't dealt with before, who probably works alone and has no record that can 
be verified independently hire a private detective.  Be suspicious.  Its your 
hard earned money.  If some reports don't feel right or your own instincts 
makes you feel uneasy learn to trust your feelings.  Check again.  Once your 
money leaves your hands its very, very hard to get it back.  Be very 
suspicious of anyone who claims to have special access to the Government, get 
special permits or knows secret ways how to get things done.  Every normal 
dealing with the public is open in this country.  Just remember, if you want 
to you can do them for yourselves.

I am getting too preachy. Good luck.

Kelvin Mok.

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Peng F. Mok
pmok@ee.ualberta.ca
http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~pmok

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