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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:33:58 GMT, "Sharx35" 
wrote:
>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> Next installment and exposure of city tax department irregularities
>> was in  OPEN COURT, at the MGB Hearing,  March 27.

>> Again, was exposed for all to see, the evidence proving the City
>> allowed the lawyer to be underassessed  for his property at 13723 -
>> 93 St., by HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, for 8 years.

>Is that commercially zoned property, occupied by a residence?

It is a 2 story building, zoned DC5, with lawyer offices on main
floor, and rental apartments on upper floor.

HALF A MILLION DOLLARS each year - for 8 years!
His own papers filed declared the value to be $600,000, while his
friends in the city only assessed for $149,500!!

>> In retaliation, the city assessors incresed the assessment of the man
>> who exposed their graft by 4 TIMES THAT OF HIS NEIGHBOURS!!


>> Yes, the city website is operational in May and June, which allowed
>> some of us the opportunity to get the PROOF, which will be used in
>> the MGB city tax appeals, to PROVE GROSS OR CRIMINAL IRREGULARITIES
>> by the city tax staffers!

>> One must wonder, for whom is Merle Foresth working, since he seems to
>> not care about massive irregularities!!

>> It is now time, to not only FIRE those city employees involved in
>> this massive under-assessment for one of their buddies, but they
>> should also be PROSECUTED for their involvement in this massive FRAUD
>> on the city taxpayers!!

>> How many other friends of city tax department staff are also, still,
>> getting massive under-assessments, worth tens of thousands of dollars
>> per crook, apart from the well-known city lawyer exposed?

>> Time to clean house at city hall, and not just leave it up to
>> Grosvenor to take these crooks to court!!


>> From: arielv2@37.com the filthy crook, wanting everyone to know about
>> how corrupt is the cesspool called Deadmonton, wrote:
>> Newsgroups: edm.general,edm.politics
>> Subject: Re: APPEAL YOUR TAXES!!GRAFT,CORRUPTION in City Tax
>> Appeal-Lawyer Finally Got Taxes Quadrupled!! WHY BE JEWED?
>> Date: 1 Aug 2005 13:21:10 -0700

>> Why do you call our beuatiful city "deadmonton", ?
>> if you don't like it here why are you doing here? why don't you go
>> back to the rat hole you came from (england or whatever hellhole you're
>> from). stop polluting our charming city with your stinking existance. a
>> bullet thru your old and rotten head will be a great solution to your not
>> liking our city. drop dead you fucking nazi!


>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:12:18 -0600, George
>>  wrote:

>>> If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4%
>>> inflation certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim
>>> of the crooks running Deadmonton?!!

>>> If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled
>>> to do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>>> The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against
>>> the City, win!!

>>> Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>>> city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>>> UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>>> The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>>> If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>>> UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>>> Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>>> employed by the city??
>>> Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>>> force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is
>>> getting overpaid?


>>> From: heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> edm.general,edm.politics,ab.general,ab.politics,can.general Subject:
>>> Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO GET
>>> TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>>> Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>>> It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>>> The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>>> finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to
>>> what it should be.

>>> This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>>> massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and
>>> probably $608,000!!!

>>> Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone
>>> has the guts to force the issue into a court.

>>> How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>>> MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?


>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>> news:<8e4c980f.0409260720.3cd39d0f@posting.google.com>...
>>>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear
>>>> before the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!

>>>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>>>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>>>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>>>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM
>>>> THE CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!

>>>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>>>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!

>>>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?


>>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>>> news:<8e4c980f.0408050922.417b9108@posting.google.com>...
>>>>> City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>>>>> value.
>>>>> It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in
>>>>> writing, was $600,000!!

>>>>> No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>>>>> why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>>>>> This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>>>>> massive tax hikes!!

>>>>> No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>>>>> Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax
>>>>> revolt.

>>>>>> Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>>>>>> irregularities involving the city tax department.

>>>>>> Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an
>>>>>> out-of-court settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal
>>>>>> closure of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>>>>>> One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax
>>>>>> assessment hike this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence
>>>>>> that business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the
>>>>>> businesses!!

>>>>>> The right hand did not know what the left did.....


>>>>>> starwars  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>>>>>>> massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is
>>>>>>> knowingly under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!

>>>>>>> This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be
>>>>>>> worth at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is
>>>>>>> huge,has law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second
>>>>>>> floor was assessed last year for less than a quarter of
>>>>>>> value,for only $148,000!!

>>>>>>> After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal
>>>>>>> Court last year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now
>>>>>>> this year it is assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000
>>>>>>> UNDER-ASSESSED!!

>>>>>>> At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!

>>>>>>> Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:13 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:
>sharx35 wrote:
>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:

>>>>$SamIAm wrote:
>>>
>>>>$> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.  Here
>>>>$> are some reasons:
>>>>$
>>>>$> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>$> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>$
>>>>$> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>$> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then you 
>>>>are
>>>>$> probably over assessed.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have 
>>>>built
>>>>$> garages or have completed basement development or have done 
>>>>renovations
>>>>$> and you haven't.
>>>>$
>>>>$In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>
>>>LOL

>>>Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he could
>>>do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market value
>>>and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>John Fleming
>>>Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>    A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
>>>    Way by Moonlight.
>>>
>>>         -- Oscar Wilde
>> 
>> 
>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours enough 
>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such 
>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who 
>> refuses to get the permits?


>The city assessors are too lazy to look at building permits.  They have 
>admitted that they haven't done anything with building permits for 
>residential property for years.  The only thing they assess are new 
>homes.  If you built a garage or did basement finish in the last 10 
>years or so, chances are good that the improvements have never been 
>assessed.

They are not only criminally lazy, I believe that they are corrupt,
because building permits are handled BY THE SAME DEPARTMENT OF THE
CITY AS ARE TAX ASSESSMENTS!!

Sharx, care to comment, or any other rabble-rouser?



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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:06:33 -0500, Tommy  wrote:

>The Numbers Decline, The Controversy Increases 
>Multiple Sources
>1-21-5

>It is past time for an international investigation conducted by truly
>impartial scientists, researchers and scholars into the reality of
>Auschwitz to properly and as accurately as possible bring history into
>accord with the facts. Peoples of all religions and persuasions have a
>right to such facts. So far, as the following data demonstrates, we are a
>long way from a consensus on the truth of what happened at Auschwitz in
>WWII. 
 
>9,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been shown
>to millions of school students worldwide. 
 
>8,000,000 
 
>Source: The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945. 
 
>7,000,000 
>  
>Source: Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office. 
>  
>6,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the book Auschwitz Doctor by Miklos Nyiszli. It has since
>been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never even at
>Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians. 
>  
>5,000,000 to 5,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf Höss, based
>on his confession which was written in English, a language he never spoke. 
>  
>5,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also cited on
>January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September 1, 1989, Le
>Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000. 
>  
>4,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the
>aforementioned Höss trial. 
>  
>4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially
>acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also
>reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years later
>on January 26, 1995, The New York Times and The Washington Post slashed the
>figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz Museum officials.
>In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later repudiated by the Auschwitz
>museum officials in 1990 but the figure of 1,500,000 victims was not
>formally announced by Polish President Lech Walesa until five years after
>the Auschwitz historians had first announced their discovery. 
>  
>3,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French Language
>and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip Muller's book,
>Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber. 
>  
>3,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf Höss, the Auschwitz commander
>who said this was the number of those who had died at Auschwitz prior to
>Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue of Heritage, the most
>widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even though three years
>previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum had scaled down the
>figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of 1,500,000. (see below). 
>  
>2,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Rudolf Vrba (an author of various fraudulent accounts of
>events he claims to have witnessed at Auschwitz) when he testified on July
>16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of former SS
>official Adolf Eichmann. 
>  
>2,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in Harvest of Hate; Georges
>Wellers, writing in 1973 in The Yellow Star at the Time of Vichy; and Lucy
>Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in The War Against the Jews. 
>  
>2,000,000 to 4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, A History of the
>Holocaust. However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figure to 1,600,000. 
>  
>1,600,000 
>  
>Source: This is a 1989 revision by Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure in
>1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on September
>22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote "The larger figures
>have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't reached the public
>yet." 
>  
>1,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1995 this was the number of Auschwitz deaths announced by Polish
>President Lech Walesa as determined by those at the Auschwitz museum. This
>number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz camp at that time,
>thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure that had been formally
>repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument) five years earlier in 1990. At
>that time, on July 17, 1990 The Washington Times reprinted a brief article
>from The London Daily Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that
>had been determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new
>figure was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New
>York Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post
>and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new "official"
>figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities). 
>  
>1,471,595 
>  
>Source: This is a 1983 figure cited by Georges Wellers who (as noted
>previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had died. 
>  
>1,433,000 
>  
>Source: This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French daily, Le
>Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the figure at 4,000,000. 
>  
>1,250,000 
>  
>Source: In the book, The Destruction of the European Jews, by Raul Hilberg
>(1985). 
>  
>1,100,000 to 1,500,000 
>  
>Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum
>in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. This estimate was
>later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust
>Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The
>upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new) "official" figure as now inscribed
>at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from
>the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp. 
>  
>1,000,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book Auschwitz: Technique
>and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This is interesting since he wrote his
>book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were called that
>precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those who had died at
>Auschwitz. 
>  
>900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper in New
>York. 
>  
>800,000 to 900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his book, The Final Solution. 
>  
>775,000 to 800,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993 book,
>The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery, scaling down his
>earlier claim of 1,000,000 dead. 
>  
>630,000 to 710,000 
>  
>Source: In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this is the
>figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's 1993 book
>originally published in French. Again, this is substantially less than
>Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000. 
>  
>135,000 to 140,000 
>  
>Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the International
>Tracing Service of the Red Cross. It is known that International Tracing
>Service has a complete set of registration documents. This is thought to
>include a complete set of roll-call data which includes twice daily tallies
>of those who died. Although the International Tracing Service of the Red
>Cross has such records, they have never officially published an accurate
>count of those who died, or even an accurate report as to exactly which
>documents they hold. However, totals from these records have been obtained
>by various interested parties. 
>  
>The estimate of 135,500 is roughly corroborated by the "Auschwitz death
>books." The death books themselves are wartime German camp records, which
>were captured by the Soviets towards the end of the war, and hidden in
>Soviet achieves, until released to the Red Cross in 1989. 
>  
>The death books consist of 46 volumes which document each death at Auschwitz
>(each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name,
>profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence,
>parents' names, time of death, and cause of death as determined by a camp
>physician). The records for the most important years, 1942 and 1943, are
>almost complete (there are also a few volumes for the year 1941, but none
>for the year 1944 or January 1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated)). 
>  
>The Auschwitz death books contain the death certificates of some 69,000
>individuals, of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews. You may view various
>entries in the Auschwitz Death Books by clicking on the following links to
>the Auschwitz museum: 
>  
>Using all available wartime records from the various camps it has been
>estimated that between 400,000 and 
>500,000 people died in the German concentration camp system (from all
>causes). 
>  
>The ever declining numbers of alleged dead at Auschwitz, are graphically
>illustrated by the plaques from the camp. 
>  
>The first is the plaque that was on display at the Auschwitz camp from 1948
>until 1989 and states "4 million" victims. 
>  
>The second plaque currently on display at Auschwitz has the dramatically
>reduced number of victims, now only 1.5 million. 
>  
>A casual reduction in the number of deaths by some 2.5 million. 
>  
>Deaths at Auschwitz drop by a stunning 2.5 million, but the legendary
>6,000,000 figure remains the same.
>http://www.rense.com/general62/auch.htm



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On 30 Sep 2004 18:41:39 -0000,  Student Woes wrote:

>Students complaining about exorbitantly high tuition fees
>should be complaining about all the deadwood profs on
>tenure, drawing obscenely high wages and benefits!!

>So-called professors giving unwanted and useless courses
>to 17 so-called students, (most of whom are natives having
>costs paid by taxpayers,) while drawing $120,000 or so in
>wages, is unfair to poor students struggling to pay for
>tuition, books, other fees, and of course living expenses
>such as rent and food.

>If the students would finally get angry enough to force
>university administrations to ABOLISH TENURE, then perhaps
>tuition fees would actually drop to a more acceptable level.

>Why not abolish all tenured profs, if they can not find enough
>suckers to pay the costs of their wages,class facilities and all
>the other costs connected to having a particular program. In other
>words, have only courses that students who must pay, actually want.

>If the courses are not useful to graduates in obtaining
>worthwhile employment, then the university should not be
>having useless profs sucking at the public teat, to the
>increased cost to students as well.

>How many so-called university graduates are good only for
>a part-time job at McGrungy's, because the courses for
>which they got ripped-off, are not worth anything in the
>real world of employment!!

>FIRE ALL THE USELESS PROFS, [especially those that are PC]
>and let them try to earn a living in the real world.Most of
>these profs would probably have to go on welfare!!



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Subject: Re: 2 more Aussie Drug Traffickers to be Hanged - GOOD!
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At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage
people, such as drug dealers.

They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an
executed criminal will never re-offend!!

Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for
the upkeep in some pampering prison system!!

If only the justice systems in North America would follow suit!!!


On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
wrote:

>AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>the streets of Sydney.

>The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.

>But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>opposes the death penalty worldwide.

>Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.

>It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>appeals for clemency.

>It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>bodies or conceal it in their luggage.

>Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>lethally injects traffickers.

>Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>of couriers the trade calls "mules".

>"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>the law of quick dollars."

>The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>his own party room.

>The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.

>Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>previous successful run and another aborted attempt.

>This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>treaties.

>"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>we will continue to operate within."

>What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.

>The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.

>"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.

>Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.

>While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>action.

>The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>do as it thought best until charges were laid.

>By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>evidence had been gathered.

>Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>choose who it chooses to cooperate with."

>International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>a decade.

>Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.

>Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>support of up to 80 per cent.

>In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>die.

>Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.

>In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>acts of terrorism.

>Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.

>How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.

>Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.

>Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.

>It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>Jakarta.

>And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>his mind.

>Death penalty Australia's double dilemma 
>
>18.02.06
>By Greg Ansley



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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:05:11 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>Tiberius Rex wrote:
>> The key question was:
>> Why should foreigners - i.e. non-Albertans be offered an extra
>> $5,000.00 not offered to locals?

>Probably because it wouldn't cost that much to get an Albertan to 
>relocate to Alberta.  You talk as if the $5000 dollars is a gift.  It 
>is not, it is relocation costs.

It IS a gift, since Superstore refuses to pay such largesse to
residents of Alberta, to relocate to Deadmonton or wherever their jobs
are!!

In fact, Stupidstore is NOW offering a $1,000 bonus to new employees,
to be paid AFTER working 1000 hours.

want to bet they will terminate workers just before 1000 hours, just
to avoid paying?

>BTW, Maritimers are not exactly foreigners, the happen to live in the 
>same country as Albertans.
>Carter

As far as residing in Alberta, they are foreigners.

>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:47 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>>> Tiberius Rex wrote:
>>>> Media this past week have been reporting that Westfair Foods,
>>>> operating as Superstore in Alberta have been trying to recruit people
>>>> from the Maritimes, to work in their stores in Alberta.
>>>>
>>>> They are offering Maritimers, besides wages:
>>>> free round-trip airfares
>>>> one month rent paid by Superstore
>>>> all moving/relocation costs
>>>>
>>>> These add up to around an extr5a $5,000 - which Superstore 
>>>> is NOT offering to workers in Alberta!!
>>> Why would Superstore make that offer to Albertans?  Albertans already 
>>> live in Alberta, Don't they?
>>>
>>> Carter
>> 



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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
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>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:06:31 GMT, "Northumberland"
 wrote:
>"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
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>> Today's Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>What does this have to to with Toronto? 

Idiots from Toronto may be considering losing their money in
Deadmonton, perhaps?



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Subject: Re: Edmonton more murderous than Toronto
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Deadmonton DOES NOT have a population of over 900,000!!
The city population is just over 500,000!!

The city is using the fictitious figure, to minimise the murder rate
in town!!

Don't forget, that the last 4 cop chiefs have all been canned in
disgrace!
Plus, the crooked cops still have not charged the serial killer of
over 100 women, which is making many think that perhaps it is 
one of the rogue cops doing all the extra murders!!

In fact the new chief this year is from Toronto. He was repeatedly
REFUSED the position of chief there. Mind you, as soon as he leaves
Toronto, Bill Blair the new chief, goes out and arrests 78 gang
members!!

Wonder why Mike Code did nothing about this while he was there as
deputy chief?

Apart from all the convictions against city cops for torture, with
more cops constantly being charged, and killing innocent victims like
last week!!

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:27:54 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:

>Edmonton records 37 homicides in 2005 while Toronto records 78.  Considering 
>the relative populations (est. 2004) of these two cities, the per 100,000 
>homicide rate works out to:

>  Edmonton - ( 37 / 947,311 ) * 10^5 = 3.9
>  Toronto - ( 78 / 2,518,772 ) * 10^5 = 3.1

>Oh what a shocker!  You're 25% more likely to become a victim of homicide in 
>Edmonton than Toronto.  What makes me laugh is the Alberta crackpot who 
>claims crime and homicide is somehow special to "Cherrana" and that the 
>problem is mysteriously attributable to "socialism."




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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:13 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:
>sharx35 wrote:
>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:

>>>>$SamIAm wrote:
>>>
>>>>$> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.  Here
>>>>$> are some reasons:
>>>>$
>>>>$> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>$> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>$
>>>>$> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>$> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then you 
>>>>are
>>>>$> probably over assessed.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have 
>>>>built
>>>>$> garages or have completed basement development or have done 
>>>>renovations
>>>>$> and you haven't.
>>>>$
>>>>$In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>
>>>LOL

>>>Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he could
>>>do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market value
>>>and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>John Fleming
>>>Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>    A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
>>>    Way by Moonlight.
>>>
>>>         -- Oscar Wilde
>> 
>> 
>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours enough 
>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such 
>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who 
>> refuses to get the permits?


>The city assessors are too lazy to look at building permits.  They have 
>admitted that they haven't done anything with building permits for 
>residential property for years.  The only thing they assess are new 
>homes.  If you built a garage or did basement finish in the last 10 
>years or so, chances are good that the improvements have never been 
>assessed.

They are not only criminally lazy, I believe that they are corrupt,
because building permits are handled BY THE SAME DEPARTMENT OF THE
CITY AS ARE TAX ASSESSMENTS!!

Sharx, care to comment, or any other rabble-rouser?



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:52:23 GMT, "TJ"  wrote:

>get a grip will you...over 100 bodies...ya right...show me the stats on that 
>1...just because they are missing that doesn't prove they are dead, they 
>lead a dangerous life sytle and move all over the place. If anything we need 
>better looking hookers instead of the skank we have walking the streets.

It is the media who have tabulated more than 100 bodies of sex trade
workers in the past few years.

>suuurrreeeeeee....we are all wondering if it's a cop, what BS....
>
>and how do you know it's "1" killer or a cop for that matter...maybe more 
>than 1....your watching to much tv my friend.....

Perhaps, but surely you are not denying the fact, that a crooked cop
would easily know how to cover his trail, so his brother cops would
not bother to investigate? Particularly the cops hired and promoted
over the past 20 years!

>better get your facts straight....as for Boyd, he has done a bang up job 
>since he has been here. Our police service is so screwed up it was a wonder 
>Boyd or anyone would take the job. But he did get them to up the salary to 
>$250 grand a year to take the job, nice cheque every 2 weeks eh.......


You failed to answer the question in the header - why was he
constantly REFUSED THE TOP JOB IN TORONTO?
Was it something to do with his wife also being on the public trough
there?

>there's nothing to wonder, he's doing a great job and has the respect of the 
>people in this city and from the members of the EPS...it's the members of 
>the EPS I would wonder about.

Who says he has the respect of the public here, apart from you?

>they all seem taser happy these days....
 Including the kids of the former chief, don't forget...

>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:6ojc72t48htptgc2kogrektlb7qbask92s@4ax.com...
>> Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
>> Police Toronto?
>>
>> If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.
>>
>> Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
>> wonder also.
>>
>> Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
>> volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
>> Toronto?
>>
>> In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
>> trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!
>>
>> But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
>> whether the killer is one of the cops? 
>



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Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
wrote:
>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>> Sharx the nark

>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>> but
>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>> erroneous

>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>> Here
>>> >> $> are some reasons:
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>> >> you
>>> >> are
>>> >> $> probably over assessed.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>> >> built
>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>> >> renovations
>>> >> $> and you haven't.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>> >
>>> > LOL
>>> >
>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>> > could
>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>> > value
>>> > and bump up the taxes.)

>>> > John Fleming
>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>
>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>> enough
>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>> refuses to get the permits?



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On 30 May 2006 16:57:18 -0700, "His Divine Shadow"
 wrote:

>Asterix wrote:
>> When places like Edmonton get worldwide publicity for POLICE TORTURING
>> INNOCENT CIVILIANS; punk kids murder bus passenger and cops don't
>> bother to attend for over half an hour; many cops now charged with
>> tasering people; all the hooligans amok on Whyte Avenue while cops
>> stand by with fingers up their butts.
>
>FEAR! UNCERTANTY! DOUBT!
>
>Obviously, based on these hyperbolic and unsupportable statements, the
>only recourse is to panic.

I guess you can not afford to get newspapers, nor do you have a TV.

The media for the past few months have been reporting so many
incidents of crooked cops in Edmonton, one must wonder whether there
are any HONEST cops in that place.

Even the former police chief had to be fired for just cause.

Then, TV showed all the goons in town rioting, smashing store windows,
setting fires in the streets, and basically looking like somewhere in
darkest Africa.

Would any sane person want to go there as a tourist>
Of course, not!


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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:52:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
 wrote:
>Asterix wrote:
>> On 30 May 2006 16:57:18 -0700, "His Divine Shadow"
>>  wrote:
>>>Asterix wrote:

>>>>When places like Edmonton get worldwide publicity 

>snip

>> Would any sane person want to go there as a tourist>
>> Of course, not!

>Perhaps they want to watch decent Canadian hockey?
There isn't any, in Canada.

Perhaps foreign tourists are fed up having to be swindled by Canadian
tourist sites?

Perhaps foreign tourists dislike all the gouging by the Canadian
government with all their taxes and fees, for no services?

Perhaps tourists have heard on international TV about unsafe sites
such as West Edmonton Mall, this week for the second time havbing part
of the roof collapse, together with massive flooding of contaminated
water?

Perhaps tourists feel that they can get better value for their
payment, by visiting eastern Europe, SE Asia, or even countries in the
Caribbean, rather than communist Canada.



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:21:08 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:

Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

Guess even a high roller like Weldon resents other crooks in town
getting away with graft and corruption?

>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:
>>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>> Sharx the nark

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>>> >> you are probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>> >> renovations and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.

>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>>> > could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:27:17 GMT, dangdangdoodle3
 wrote:
>In article ,
> "NDP Rogue"  Socilaists.6768447746865.gov> wrote:

>> Former Vancouver police officer faces child pornography charges

>> VANCOUVER (CP) - A former police officer who once ran the department's
>> school-liaison program faces child pornography charges. John Dragani has
>> been charged with one count of possession of child pornography and one count
>> of accessing child pornography. Dragani, who was a sergeant, was suspended
>> without pay last year until he retired. Vancouver Constable Tim Fanning says
>> Crown counsel approved the charges after an aggressive police investigation.
>> Fanning says the allegations were embarrassing, but it's also an opportunity
>> to show when criminal conduct is alleged against an officer they take it
>> seriously. Dragani was arrested Monday at his Vancouver home and will face
>> the charges in Surrey provincial court.

>It would take 5 or 6 minutes to charge anyone else, but for this cop, it 
>took over a year and apparently he was allowed to retire. Plus he 
>appears to be minimally charged, where as someone else would have the 
>book thrown at them.

>Any cop caught breaking the law on duty should have automatically 
>doubled sentencing because they've also broken the public's trust which 
>they have agreed to keep. I'm sure people like Harper, who believe in 
>longer sentences to protect the public would agree with me, if he's not 
>a being a bloody hypocrite again.

Typical of the crooked police forces in Canada!
Since they could not completely cover it up, they allowed the crooked
cop to resign, so he could collect his pension and other benefits!!

Subject: Re: ZYD Friedman-KIDDIE PORN DISTRIBUTOR , from Synagogue!!
He Did No Jail Time!! Edmonton Man,Not Jew, Gets 3 1/2 Years!

On 18 Mar 2006 20:14:27 -0000, Ariadne wrote:
And Robert Welldumb could find nothing wrong with the detailed report,
so he complains about the TRUTH:

Welldumb could not explain why the crooked ZYD got no jail, while the
white man in Edmonton got 3 1/2 years in jail - FOR AN EVEN LESSER
OFFENCE!!

One must wonder, is Welldumb another kiddie porn distributor?

>Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
>JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!

>Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
>the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
>his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back to Boston, where the
>FBI picked him up!!

>But for a white man convicted of similar charges, the white guy in Edmonton gets 3 1/2 years in jail!!

One must question the preferential treatment given to the KIDDIE PORN
DISTRIBUTOR OPERATING FROM THE SYNAGOGUE!!

Why was he allowed to avoid jail, when a white man gets 3 1/2 years,
deservedly?

What did the crooked judge in that case receive for his generosity?

Looks like the Canadian public got JEWED, again!!
________________________________________
>On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
>>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>>Iamhere
>>======================================================================================
>>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
>
>>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!
>
>>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>>> kenmcvay  Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>>> soc.culture.palestine
>>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>>> Date: 1999/02/14
>>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>> >wrote:
>
>>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>>> >>J.B.
>>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.
>
>>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?
>
>>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??
>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>
>>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>
>>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.
>
>>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>> the country for his native United States.
>
>>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>> connected to an international child pornography ring.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>
>>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>> pornography that's out there.''
>
>>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>> regional intelligence officer.
>
>>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>
>>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>> difficult time.''
>
>>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>> October, Mrs. Fox said.
>
>>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>
>>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>
>>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>
>>> Article Segment 2 of 2
>>> (Ge
>>> (Get All
>
>>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>
>>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>
>>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>> said.
>
>>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>
>>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>> comment.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>> confiscated.
>
>>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>> to be with his family.
>
>>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>> did say there was a plea bargain.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>
>>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>> the media.
>>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>> about how we will handle this.''
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>
>>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>> material.
>
>>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>
>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>
>
>>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan"  wrote:
>
>>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm
>
>>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences
>
>>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.
>
>>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.
>
>>> >They were found to have molested  hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.
>
>>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!

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Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

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is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Posted by: 
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1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.




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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:27:17 GMT, dangdangdoodle3
 wrote:
>In article ,
> "NDP Rogue"  Socilaists.6768447746865.gov> wrote:

>> Former Vancouver police officer faces child pornography charges

>> VANCOUVER (CP) - A former police officer who once ran the department's
>> school-liaison program faces child pornography charges. John Dragani has
>> been charged with one count of possession of child pornography and one count
>> of accessing child pornography. Dragani, who was a sergeant, was suspended
>> without pay last year until he retired. Vancouver Constable Tim Fanning says
>> Crown counsel approved the charges after an aggressive police investigation.
>> Fanning says the allegations were embarrassing, but it's also an opportunity
>> to show when criminal conduct is alleged against an officer they take it
>> seriously. Dragani was arrested Monday at his Vancouver home and will face
>> the charges in Surrey provincial court.

>It would take 5 or 6 minutes to charge anyone else, but for this cop, it 
>took over a year and apparently he was allowed to retire. Plus he 
>appears to be minimally charged, where as someone else would have the 
>book thrown at them.

>Any cop caught breaking the law on duty should have automatically 
>doubled sentencing because they've also broken the public's trust which 
>they have agreed to keep. I'm sure people like Harper, who believe in 
>longer sentences to protect the public would agree with me, if he's not 
>a being a bloody hypocrite again.

Typical of the crooked police forces in Canada!
Since they could not completely cover it up, they allowed the crooked
cop to resign, so he could collect his pension and other benefits!!

Subject: Re: ZYD Friedman-KIDDIE PORN DISTRIBUTOR , from Synagogue!!
He Did No Jail Time!! Edmonton Man,Not Jew, Gets 3 1/2 Years!

On 18 Mar 2006 20:14:27 -0000, Ariadne wrote:
And Robert Welldumb could find nothing wrong with the detailed report,
so he complains about the TRUTH:

Welldumb could not explain why the crooked ZYD got no jail, while the
white man in Edmonton got 3 1/2 years in jail - FOR AN EVEN LESSER
OFFENCE!!

One must wonder, is Welldumb another kiddie porn distributor?

>Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
>JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!

>Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
>the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
>his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back to Boston, where the
>FBI picked him up!!

>But for a white man convicted of similar charges, the white guy in Edmonton gets 3 1/2 years in jail!!

One must question the preferential treatment given to the KIDDIE PORN
DISTRIBUTOR OPERATING FROM THE SYNAGOGUE!!

Why was he allowed to avoid jail, when a white man gets 3 1/2 years,
deservedly?

What did the crooked judge in that case receive for his generosity?

Looks like the Canadian public got JEWED, again!!
________________________________________
>On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
>>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>>Iamhere
>>======================================================================================
>>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
>
>>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!
>
>>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>>> kenmcvay  Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>>> soc.culture.palestine
>>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>>> Date: 1999/02/14
>>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>> >wrote:
>
>>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>>> >>J.B.
>>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.
>
>>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?
>
>>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??
>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>
>>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>
>>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.
>
>>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>> the country for his native United States.
>
>>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>> connected to an international child pornography ring.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>
>>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>> pornography that's out there.''
>
>>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>> regional intelligence officer.
>
>>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>
>>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>> difficult time.''
>
>>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>> October, Mrs. Fox said.
>
>>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>
>>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>
>>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>
>>> Article Segment 2 of 2
>>> (Ge
>>> (Get All
>
>>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>
>>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>
>>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>> said.
>
>>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>
>>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>> comment.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>> confiscated.
>
>>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>> to be with his family.
>
>>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>> did say there was a plea bargain.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>
>>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>> the media.
>>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>> about how we will handle this.''
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>
>>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>> material.
>
>>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>
>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>
>
>>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan"  wrote:
>
>>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm
>
>>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences
>
>>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.
>
>>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.
>
>>> >They were found to have molested  hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.
>
>>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Posted by: 
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.




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Subject: Re: Why appeal your Property Assessment? Beause City Tax Assessors Are Either Corrupt, or Crooks!!
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:21:08 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:

Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

Guess even a high roller like Weldon resents other crooks in town
getting away with graft and corruption?

>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:
>>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>> Sharx the nark

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>>> >> you are probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>> >> renovations and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.

>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>>> > could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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Subject: Re: Anyone care to comment? Crooked Scholl Board Wasted Millions!
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Typical bureaucratic SCAM!!
The big shots KNEW they were OVERPAYING the teachers, but chose to do
nothing!
The principals KNEW they were OVER BUDGET, but chose to do nothing!
The teachers knew the Board could not afford them, but di not give a
damn.

What is more alarming, the AUDITORS KNEW THERE WERE SERIOUS FINANCIAL
IRREGULARITIES, NAD CHOSE TO COVER THEM UP FOR THOSE YEARS, INSTEAD OF
EXPOSING THE PEOPLE WHO PAID THEM!!
Does CA still stand for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?


On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:57 GMT, Sew 
wrote:

>CARRIE McFADZEAN
>Examiner Staff 

>Edmonton Catholic School (ECS) trustees are changing the way they
>operate.
>
>Opening up lines of communication, taking back some of the
>superintendent’s power and playing a role on the budget committee are
>part of sweeping changes in the board’s governance policy.
>
>“For some time, the board has felt the governance model we’ve been
>using hasn’t been working that well,” says board chairperson Debbie
>Cavaliere.
>
>The changes, which were made during a board retreat in late May,
>follow a tumultuous time in the district.
>
>Earlier this year, a $10 million deficit, caused by accounting errors
>and overspending, was discovered. It will take the district five years
>to pay it back. At the end of February, superintendent Dale Ripley’s
>contract was terminated.
>
>While a new superintendent hasn’t been hired yet, Cavaliere says the
>timing was right to change the board’s governance policies.
>
>“It’s a dramatic shift in thinking and it’s time for the change,” she
>says.
>
>The board has been using the Carver model of governance since 1997.
>
>Under this model, used by many school boards in Alberta, trustees set
>policy direction, which is implemented by the superintendent who
>reports directly to the board.
>
>All district staff report only to the superintendent and have no
>contact with trustees.
>
>“Under that model, the board delegated a lot of responsibility,” says
>Cavaliere. 
>
>“It kept only those responsibilities that cannot be delegated like
>school closures, budget allocations and teacher transfers. Everything
>else was delegated to the superintendent.”
>
>Trustees were making important decisions based on information provided
>by the superintendent.
>
>Wanting a broader perspective and information base, trustees signaled
>a need for change.
>
>The new made-in-Edmonton-Catholic model gives more power to the
>trustees.
>
>For example, a trustee will now sit on the budget committee.
>
>Trustees will determine what responsibilities and authority district
>staff have.
>
>The superintendent will still have many of the same responsibilities,
>but trustees will now be able to ask senior staff questions directly.
>
>“It doesn’t put the onus on the superintendent to gather and relay the
>information,” says Cavaliere. “It’s much more effective and more
>efficient.”
>
>The new governance documents are being drafted and will come to a
>public meeting in the fall for a trustee vote.



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Typical bureaucratic SCAM!!
The big shots KNEW they were OVERPAYING the teachers, but chose to do
nothing!
The principals KNEW they were OVER BUDGET, but chose to do nothing!
The teachers knew the Board could not afford them, but di not give a
damn.

What is more alarming, the AUDITORS KNEW THERE WERE SERIOUS FINANCIAL
IRREGULARITIES, NAD CHOSE TO COVER THEM UP FOR THOSE YEARS, INSTEAD OF
EXPOSING THE PEOPLE WHO PAID THEM!!
Does CA still stand for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?


On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:57 GMT, Sew 
wrote:

>CARRIE McFADZEAN
>Examiner Staff 

>Edmonton Catholic School (ECS) trustees are changing the way they
>operate.
>
>Opening up lines of communication, taking back some of the
>superintendent’s power and playing a role on the budget committee are
>part of sweeping changes in the board’s governance policy.
>
>“For some time, the board has felt the governance model we’ve been
>using hasn’t been working that well,” says board chairperson Debbie
>Cavaliere.
>
>The changes, which were made during a board retreat in late May,
>follow a tumultuous time in the district.
>
>Earlier this year, a $10 million deficit, caused by accounting errors
>and overspending, was discovered. It will take the district five years
>to pay it back. At the end of February, superintendent Dale Ripley’s
>contract was terminated.
>
>While a new superintendent hasn’t been hired yet, Cavaliere says the
>timing was right to change the board’s governance policies.
>
>“It’s a dramatic shift in thinking and it’s time for the change,” she
>says.
>
>The board has been using the Carver model of governance since 1997.
>
>Under this model, used by many school boards in Alberta, trustees set
>policy direction, which is implemented by the superintendent who
>reports directly to the board.
>
>All district staff report only to the superintendent and have no
>contact with trustees.
>
>“Under that model, the board delegated a lot of responsibility,” says
>Cavaliere. 
>
>“It kept only those responsibilities that cannot be delegated like
>school closures, budget allocations and teacher transfers. Everything
>else was delegated to the superintendent.”
>
>Trustees were making important decisions based on information provided
>by the superintendent.
>
>Wanting a broader perspective and information base, trustees signaled
>a need for change.
>
>The new made-in-Edmonton-Catholic model gives more power to the
>trustees.
>
>For example, a trustee will now sit on the budget committee.
>
>Trustees will determine what responsibilities and authority district
>staff have.
>
>The superintendent will still have many of the same responsibilities,
>but trustees will now be able to ask senior staff questions directly.
>
>“It doesn’t put the onus on the superintendent to gather and relay the
>information,” says Cavaliere. “It’s much more effective and more
>efficient.”
>
>The new governance documents are being drafted and will come to a
>public meeting in the fall for a trustee vote.



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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:21:45 -0400, "seven" 
wrote:
>"Maxx"  wrote in message 
>news:1150911812.671922.126710@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Frank Arthur wrote:
>>> The local media had a great day publicising------

>> Where's the proof

>>> This Gestapo-like thug was photographed by several reporters

>> Where can I view these photos?

>>> In another incident the same night, a lawyer was tasered illegally, for 
>>> taking  pictures of police brutality. He is now laying charges against the cops
>>> involved.

>> How about a link?

For both of these stories, which were extensively documented, go to
the Edmonton Journal site.

>>> And the police chief seems to be doing nothing



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Typical bureaucratic SCAM!!
The big shots KNEW they were OVERPAYING the teachers, but chose to do
nothing!
The principals KNEW they were OVER BUDGET, but chose to do nothing!
The teachers knew the Board could not afford them, but di not give a
damn.

What is more alarming, the AUDITORS KNEW THERE WERE SERIOUS FINANCIAL
IRREGULARITIES, NAD CHOSE TO COVER THEM UP FOR THOSE YEARS, 
INSTEAD OF EXPOSING THE PEOPLE WHO PAID THEM!!
Does CA still stand for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?


On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:57 GMT, Sew 
wrote:

>CARRIE McFADZEAN
>Examiner Staff 

>Edmonton Catholic School (ECS) trustees are changing the way they
>operate.
>
>Opening up lines of communication, taking back some of the
>superintendent’s power and playing a role on the budget committee are
>part of sweeping changes in the board’s governance policy.
>
>“For some time, the board has felt the governance model we’ve been
>using hasn’t been working that well,” says board chairperson Debbie
>Cavaliere.
>
>The changes, which were made during a board retreat in late May,
>follow a tumultuous time in the district.
>
>Earlier this year, a $10 million deficit, caused by accounting errors
>and overspending, was discovered. It will take the district five years
>to pay it back. At the end of February, superintendent Dale Ripley’s
>contract was terminated.
>
>While a new superintendent hasn’t been hired yet, Cavaliere says the
>timing was right to change the board’s governance policies.
>
>“It’s a dramatic shift in thinking and it’s time for the change,” she
>says.
>
>The board has been using the Carver model of governance since 1997.
>
>Under this model, used by many school boards in Alberta, trustees set
>policy direction, which is implemented by the superintendent who
>reports directly to the board.
>
>All district staff report only to the superintendent and have no
>contact with trustees.
>
>“Under that model, the board delegated a lot of responsibility,” says
>Cavaliere. 
>
>“It kept only those responsibilities that cannot be delegated like
>school closures, budget allocations and teacher transfers. Everything
>else was delegated to the superintendent.”
>
>Trustees were making important decisions based on information provided
>by the superintendent.
>
>Wanting a broader perspective and information base, trustees signaled
>a need for change.
>
>The new made-in-Edmonton-Catholic model gives more power to the
>trustees.
>
>For example, a trustee will now sit on the budget committee.
>
>Trustees will determine what responsibilities and authority district
>staff have.
>
>The superintendent will still have many of the same responsibilities,
>but trustees will now be able to ask senior staff questions directly.
>
>“It doesn’t put the onus on the superintendent to gather and relay the
>information,” says Cavaliere. “It’s much more effective and more
>efficient.”
>
>The new governance documents are being drafted and will come to a
>public meeting in the fall for a trustee vote.



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:21:08 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:

Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

Guess even a high roller like Weldon resents other crooks in town
getting away with graft and corruption?

>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:
>>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>> Sharx the nark

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>>> >> you are probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>> >> renovations and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.

>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>>> > could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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This coming Friday, 30th June is the deadline for filing an Appeal
regarding fraudulently high Tax Assessments.

For a $30 filing fee, one gets the opportunity to say nasty, but true,
things about the crooks in the city tax assessment department.

Plus, with a little work, one has a good chance to get the assessment,
and city taxes, lowered, plus a refund of the $30 fee!


On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:02:43 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:
>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but
>>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then  you are
>>>> >> $> probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built
>>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done renovations
>>>> >> $> and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he  could
>>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)

>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours  enough
>>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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Typical bureaucratic SCAM!!
The big shots KNEW they were OVERPAYING the teachers, but chose to do
nothing!
The principals KNEW they were OVER BUDGET, but chose to do nothing!
The teachers knew the Board could not afford them, but di not give a
damn.

And what about all the overpaid TRUSTEES? 
Why are they not being prosecuted, for NEGLIGENCE?

What is more alarming, the AUDITORS KNEW THERE WERE SERIOUS FINANCIAL
IRREGULARITIES, AND CHOSE TO COVER THEM UP FOR THOSE YEARS, 
INSTEAD OF EXPOSING THE PEOPLE WHO PAID THEM!! 
Or is it really pay-off to keep quiet?
Does CA still stand for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?

It seems no one directly involved is being held responsible - why?


On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:57 GMT, Sew 
wrote:

>CARRIE McFADZEAN
>Examiner Staff 

>Edmonton Catholic School (ECS) trustees are changing the way they
>operate.
>
>Opening up lines of communication, taking back some of the
>superintendent’s power and playing a role on the budget committee are
>part of sweeping changes in the board’s governance policy.
>
>“For some time, the board has felt the governance model we’ve been
>using hasn’t been working that well,” says board chairperson Debbie
>Cavaliere.
>
>The changes, which were made during a board retreat in late May,
>follow a tumultuous time in the district.
>
>Earlier this year, a $10 million deficit, caused by accounting errors
>and overspending, was discovered. It will take the district five years
>to pay it back. At the end of February, superintendent Dale Ripley’s
>contract was terminated.
>
>While a new superintendent hasn’t been hired yet, Cavaliere says the
>timing was right to change the board’s governance policies.
>
>“It’s a dramatic shift in thinking and it’s time for the change,” she
>says.
>
>The board has been using the Carver model of governance since 1997.
>
>Under this model, used by many school boards in Alberta, trustees set
>policy direction, which is implemented by the superintendent who
>reports directly to the board.
>
>All district staff report only to the superintendent and have no
>contact with trustees.
>
>“Under that model, the board delegated a lot of responsibility,” says
>Cavaliere. 
>
>“It kept only those responsibilities that cannot be delegated like
>school closures, budget allocations and teacher transfers. Everything
>else was delegated to the superintendent.”
>
>Trustees were making important decisions based on information provided
>by the superintendent.
>
>Wanting a broader perspective and information base, trustees signaled
>a need for change.
>
>The new made-in-Edmonton-Catholic model gives more power to the
>trustees.
>
>For example, a trustee will now sit on the budget committee.
>
>Trustees will determine what responsibilities and authority district
>staff have.
>
>The superintendent will still have many of the same responsibilities,
>but trustees will now be able to ask senior staff questions directly.
>
>“It doesn’t put the onus on the superintendent to gather and relay the
>information,” says Cavaliere. “It’s much more effective and more
>efficient.”
>
>The new governance documents are being drafted and will come to a
>public meeting in the fall for a trustee vote.



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If you really are functionally illiterate, then go to the Edmonton
Main Library, second floor, and ask one of the reference ladies to get
you the newspapers with the photos.

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:15:25 GMT, "Maxx" 
wrote:
>"Boadicea"  wrote in message 
>news:rhql925heftg10rom6uijksofjbjcamukc@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:21:45 -0400, "seven" 
>> wrote:
>>>"Maxx"  wrote in message
>>>news:1150911812.671922.126710@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Frank Arthur wrote:
>>>>> The local media had a great day publicising------

>>>> Where's the proof

>>>>> This Gestapo-like thug was photographed by several reporters

>>>> Where can I view these photos?

>>>>> In another incident the same night, a lawyer was tasered illegally, for
>>>>> taking  pictures of police brutality. He is now laying charges against 
>>>>> the cops
>>>>> involved.

>>>> How about a link?

>> For both of these stories, which were extensively documented, go to
>> the Edmonton Journal site.

>I've chased after your, so called "stories' before.  Post something
>legitimate, or crawl back into your hole, whiner. 




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I was hoping Maxx would go to Deadmonton, and then he might get some
first-hand experience of the local gestapo!!


On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:04:10 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews" 
 wrote:

>I thought you felt it was dangerous to go to Edmonton.

>NotMyName wrote:

>> If you really are functionally illiterate, then go to the Edmonton
>> Main Library, second floor, and ask one of the reference ladies to get
>> you the newspapers with the photos.
>> 
>> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:15:25 GMT, "Maxx" 
>> wrote:
>>>"Boadicea"  wrote in message 
>>>news:rhql925heftg10rom6uijksofjbjcamukc@4ax.com...
>>>>On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:21:45 -0400, "seven" 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>"Maxx"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:1150911812.671922.126710@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>Frank Arthur wrote:

>>>>>>>The local media had a great day publicising------

>>>>>>Where's the proof

>>>>>>>This Gestapo-like thug was photographed by several reporters

>>>>>>Where can I view these photos?

>>>>>>>In another incident the same night, a lawyer was tasered illegally, for
>>>>>>>taking  pictures of police brutality. He is now laying charges against 
>>>>>>>the cops involved.

>>>>>>How about a link?

>>>>For both of these stories, which were extensively documented, go to
>>>>the Edmonton Journal site, for 19 & 20 June 2006!




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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:21:08 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:

Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

Guess even a high roller like Weldon resents other crooks in town
getting away with graft and corruption?

>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:
>>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>> Sharx the nark

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>>> >> you are probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>> >> renovations and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.

>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>>> > could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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This coming Friday, 30th June is the deadline for filing an Appeal
regarding fraudulently high Tax Assessments.

For a $30 filing fee, one gets the opportunity to say nasty, but true,
things about the crooks in the city tax assessment department.

Plus, with a little work, one has a good chance to get the assessment,
and city taxes, lowered, plus a refund of the $30 fee!


On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:02:43 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:
>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but
>>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then  you are
>>>> >> $> probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built
>>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done renovations
>>>> >> $> and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he  could
>>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)

>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours  enough
>>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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If the stupid Oilers can pay Pronger $6 MILLION, and he still wants to
leave Deadmonton, then let the Oilers pay themselves for a new rink,
not taxpayers!!

After all, the Oilers is a BUSINESS, so let them survive, if at all,
by satisfying their actual customers.

If they don't, then let them go under, just like Woodwards, Eatons,
Debajis, and other businesses. With what they pay their thugs,
players, they are most definitely NOT A CHARITY, or even a city
service!!


On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:11:40 -0600, Harry Mazal 
wrote:

>With the taxpayers already being JEWED OUT OF $2.5 MILLION A YEAR TO SUBSIDIZE
>FOR THE NEXT 9 YEARS THESE OVERPAID HOCKEY THUGS, WHY SHOULD WE 
>GIVE THEM ONE BLOODY NICKEL MORE!!

>LET THEM GET THE MONEY NEEDED FROM THEIR SUCCKERS/SUPPORTERS, not taxpayers!

>On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:48 -0600, "TopPoster"  wrote:

>>> news:fle0k1l6hc3dsgh7lgkvilhdqf2st41637@4ax.com...

>>> > Saw the headline on the front page of today's Edmonton Journal.

>>> > Possibility that, ten years from now, the Oilers could be moving into a
>>> > new arena.

>>> > While they have nine years left to run in their lease on Rexall Place,
>>> > they could be looking for a bit of choice real estate to build a bigger
>>> > arena with seating for more Edmonton fans.  (I'm working on the
>>> > assumption here that the Edmonton Investors Group plans to keep the team
>>> > in Edmonton indefinietly.)

>>> > Assuming no unexpected downturn in the Alberta economy, it is reasonable
>>> > to expect that by that time Edmonton will be a much larger city than it
>>> > is today.

>>> > So where to put a new arena.  (I'm guessing sharx would prefer
>>> > Duggan--because then he'd be guaranteed a new LRT station close to sharx
>>> > manor.)

>>> Well, I have no objection to a new hockey arena AS LONG AS not one FUCKING
>>> cent of public funds goes into building it or maintaining it. The fucking
>>> owners group gets all the profit and the fucking owners group will get all
>>> the profit from the EVENTUAL sale of the team. Under the current
>>contracts,
>>> the owners group has no legal obligation to pay back one FUCKING cent of
>>> that TWO MILLION a year the city has been paying Northlands SO THAT THE
>>> FUCKING SPOILERS can use Rexall Place. Do I make myself abundantly FUCKING
>>> clear?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > --
>>> > John Fleming
>>> > Edmonton, Canada
>
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No athlete is worth $6 MILLION a year, just for showing up!

He should have been paid $52,000, then bonuses for goals, Stanley Cup,
etc.

After 5 years, THEN he should get a bonus for fulfilling his contract.
Are there no team managers who know how to draft a contract that makes
sense?


On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:17:36 GMT, "Emerald"  wrote:

>Just like Gretsky, Pronger's wife is wearing that pants in that family. 
>Whatever happened to wives saying, "Where you go I will follow." How many 
>Stanley cups did the teams that Gretsky played on get with Gretsky
>om their team???? Same will go to the teams Pronger plays on. Pronger signed 
>a 5 year contract with the Oliers
>And should abide by his contract.  Need I say more?
>-=*Emerald*=-

>"NotMyName"  wrote in message 
>news:gobt921sp4vps9gkgi1p044rfu9403fndp@4ax.com...
>> If the stupid Oilers can pay Pronger $6 MILLION, and he still wants to
>> leave Deadmonton, then let the Oilers pay themselves for a new rink,
>> not taxpayers!!
>>
>> After all, the Oilers is a BUSINESS, so let them survive, if at all,
>> by satisfying their actual customers.
>>
>> If they don't, then let them go under, just like Woodwards, Eatons,
>> Debajis, and other businesses. With what they pay their thugs,
>> players, they are most definitely NOT A CHARITY, or even a city
>> service!!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:11:40 -0600, Harry Mazal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>With the taxpayers already being JEWED OUT OF $2.5 MILLION A YEAR TO 
>>>SUBSIDIZE
>>>FOR THE NEXT 9 YEARS THESE OVERPAID HOCKEY THUGS, WHY SHOULD WE
>>>GIVE THEM ONE BLOODY NICKEL MORE!!
>>
>>>LET THEM GET THE MONEY NEEDED FROM THEIR SUCCKERS/SUPPORTERS, not 
>>>taxpayers!
>>
>>>On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:48 -0600, "TopPoster"  
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>> news:fle0k1l6hc3dsgh7lgkvilhdqf2st41637@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>> > Saw the headline on the front page of today's Edmonton Journal.
>>
>>>>> > Possibility that, ten years from now, the Oilers could be moving into 
>>>>> > a
>>>>> > new arena.
>>
>>>>> > While they have nine years left to run in their lease on Rexall 
>>>>> > Place,
>>>>> > they could be looking for a bit of choice real estate to build a 
>>>>> > bigger
>>>>> > arena with seating for more Edmonton fans.  (I'm working on the
>>>>> > assumption here that the Edmonton Investors Group plans to keep the 
>>>>> > team
>>>>> > in Edmonton indefinietly.)
>>
>>>>> > Assuming no unexpected downturn in the Alberta economy, it is 
>>>>> > reasonable
>>>>> > to expect that by that time Edmonton will be a much larger city than 
>>>>> > it
>>>>> > is today.
>>
>>>>> > So where to put a new arena.  (I'm guessing sharx would prefer
>>>>> > Duggan--because then he'd be guaranteed a new LRT station close to 
>>>>> > sharx
>>>>> > manor.)
>>
>>>>> Well, I have no objection to a new hockey arena AS LONG AS not one 
>>>>> FUCKING
>>>>> cent of public funds goes into building it or maintaining it. The 
>>>>> fucking
>>>>> owners group gets all the profit and the fucking owners group will get 
>>>>> all
>>>>> the profit from the EVENTUAL sale of the team. Under the current
>>>>contracts,
>>>>> the owners group has no legal obligation to pay back one FUCKING cent 
>>>>> of
>>>>> that TWO MILLION a year the city has been paying Northlands SO THAT THE
>>>>> FUCKING SPOILERS can use Rexall Place. Do I make myself abundantly 
>>>>> FUCKING
>>>>> clear?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > John Fleming
>>>>> > Edmonton, Canada
>>>
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On 25 Jun 2006 12:18:00 -0700, "spamhotmail@yahoo.com"
 wrote:
>http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/2006/06/24/1650687-sun.html

>Contact the Sun
>Submit Photos
>Reader Feedback
>About the Sun
>Buy SUN Photos

>Sat, June 24, 2006

>Edmonton officer suspended for alleged Whyte Ave. incident
>UPDATED: 2006-06-24 02:07:43 MST

>By AJAY BHARDWAJ, SUN MEDIA

>EDMONTON -- An Edmonton cop has been suspended without pay after
>allegations of misconduct while off-duty on Whyte Ave., during Edmonton
>Oiler celebrations.

>Staff Sgt. Greg Alcorn confirmed Const. Sebastien Berube was suspended
>without pay June 15.
>
>Police Chief Mike Boyd has 30 days to report the suspension to the
>Edmonton Police Commission, which will hold a hearing to decide whether
>to reinstate his pay.

>Alcorn wouldn't provide the reasons Berube was suspended.

>But sources said, among other things, Berube violated the parking ban
>on Whyte Ave. during Oilers' post-game celebration.

>When cops working the avenue asked him to move his vehicle, he
>allegedly struggled with officers before being subdued.

>Suspending a cop without pay is rare. Two officers who face criminal
>charges in connection with the awarding of a city photo radar contract
>were suspended by Boyd, but continue to collect their paycheques.

>Whyte Ave. was a simmering cauldron of trouble for cops as the Oilers
>advanced to within a game of winning the Stanley Cup.

>Costs of policing Whyte Ave. as the Oilers knocked off opponents on the
>way to the Cup ballooned to $2.2 million, up from an estimated $1.2
>million.

>The price tag could rise even further when Camrose cops and the RCMP
>submit their bill for helping out, but Boyd said the $2.2-million
>estimate was close to the mark.

>Police made more than 800 arrests during the Whyte Ave. celebrations
>during the course of the playoffs.

But, only a handful have actually been charged!!

It seems the crooked cops just wanted media coverage, to pretend they
were actually working!!


The local media had a great day publicising the torture of a young
woman by another rogue Edmonton cop!!

This Gestapo-like thug was photographed by several reporters, while he
beat the handcuffed young lady and threw her face onto the pavement,
breaking open her face!

In another incident the same night, a 66 year old lawyer , Brian Fish,
was tasered illegally, for taking pictures of police brutality. He is
now laying charges against the cops involved.

And the police chief seems to be doing nothing about all his crooked
cops!
Is this why Mike Boyd was refused the Chief's position in Toronto?

Guess Chief Boyd was too busy wasting $2,200,000 of taxpayers money 
setting up his thugs to torture civilians?

Mind you, the inept cops still have not caught the serial killer of
more than 100 prostitutes, or even the killers of another 2 people
this week!!


On 2006-06-19 11:53:03 -0400, Boadicea
 said:

> The Edmonton Journal for today - 19 June 2006 - carries 2 pages full
> of photos showing the Edmonton Gestapo TORTURING a woman, who was not 
> resisting!!

> Guess the crooked cops forgot that there are people taking
> photographs?

> And the jew mayor sees nothing wrong with police brutality.
> Guess he belongs to the kill-a palestinian school of torture?

> And they wonder why tourists around the world are starting to avoid
> visiting UNSAFE Canada!!




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This coming Friday, 30th June is the deadline for filing an Appeal
regarding fraudulently high Tax Assessments.

For a $30 filing fee, one gets the opportunity to say nasty, but true,
things about the crooks in the city tax assessment department.

Plus, with a little work, one has a good chance to get the assessment,
and city taxes, lowered, plus a refund of the $30 fee!


On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:02:43 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:
>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but
>>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then  you are
>>>> >> $> probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built
>>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done renovations
>>>> >> $> and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he  could
>>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)

>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours  enough
>>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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Typical bureaucratic SCAM!!
The big shots KNEW they were OVERPAYING the teachers, but chose to do
nothing!
The principals KNEW they were OVER BUDGET, but chose to do nothing!
The teachers knew the Board could not afford them, but di not give a
damn.

And what about all the overpaid TRUSTEES? 
Why are they not being prosecuted, for NEGLIGENCE?

What is more alarming, the AUDITORS KNEW THERE WERE SERIOUS FINANCIAL
IRREGULARITIES, AND CHOSE TO COVER THEM UP FOR THOSE YEARS, 
INSTEAD OF EXPOSING THE PEOPLE WHO PAID THEM!! 
Or is it really pay-off to keep quiet?
Does CA still stand for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?

It seems no one directly involved is being held responsible - why?


On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:57 GMT, Sew 
wrote:

>CARRIE McFADZEAN
>Examiner Staff 

>Edmonton Catholic School (ECS) trustees are changing the way they
>operate.
>
>Opening up lines of communication, taking back some of the
>superintendent’s power and playing a role on the budget committee are
>part of sweeping changes in the board’s governance policy.
>
>“For some time, the board has felt the governance model we’ve been
>using hasn’t been working that well,” says board chairperson Debbie
>Cavaliere.
>
>The changes, which were made during a board retreat in late May,
>follow a tumultuous time in the district.
>
>Earlier this year, a $10 million deficit, caused by accounting errors
>and overspending, was discovered. It will take the district five years
>to pay it back. At the end of February, superintendent Dale Ripley’s
>contract was terminated.
>
>While a new superintendent hasn’t been hired yet, Cavaliere says the
>timing was right to change the board’s governance policies.
>
>“It’s a dramatic shift in thinking and it’s time for the change,” she
>says.
>
>The board has been using the Carver model of governance since 1997.
>
>Under this model, used by many school boards in Alberta, trustees set
>policy direction, which is implemented by the superintendent who
>reports directly to the board.
>
>All district staff report only to the superintendent and have no
>contact with trustees.
>
>“Under that model, the board delegated a lot of responsibility,” says
>Cavaliere. 
>
>“It kept only those responsibilities that cannot be delegated like
>school closures, budget allocations and teacher transfers. Everything
>else was delegated to the superintendent.”
>
>Trustees were making important decisions based on information provided
>by the superintendent.
>
>Wanting a broader perspective and information base, trustees signaled
>a need for change.
>
>The new made-in-Edmonton-Catholic model gives more power to the
>trustees.
>
>For example, a trustee will now sit on the budget committee.
>
>Trustees will determine what responsibilities and authority district
>staff have.
>
>The superintendent will still have many of the same responsibilities,
>but trustees will now be able to ask senior staff questions directly.
>
>“It doesn’t put the onus on the superintendent to gather and relay the
>information,” says Cavaliere. “It’s much more effective and more
>efficient.”
>
>The new governance documents are being drafted and will come to a
>public meeting in the fall for a trustee vote.



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No athlete is worth $6 MILLION a year, just for showing up!

He should have been paid $52,000, then bonuses for goals, Stanley Cup,
etc.

After 5 years, THEN he should get a bonus for fulfilling his contract.
Are there no team managers who know how to draft a contract that makes
sense?

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:17:36 GMT, "Emerald"  wrote:

>Just like Gretsky, Pronger's wife is wearing that pants in that family. 
>Whatever happened to wives saying, "Where you go I will follow." How many 
>Stanley cups did the teams that Gretsky played on get with Gretsky
>om their team???? Same will go to the teams Pronger plays on. Pronger signed 
>a 5 year contract with the Oliers
>And should abide by his contract.  Need I say more?
>-=*Emerald*=-

Perhaps Pronger's wife is scared for her life?
With the cops unable, or unwilling to catch the serial killer of more
than 100 women, who may even be a crooked cop, no wonder she has cause
to be afraid!!

>"NotMyName"  wrote in message 
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>> If the stupid Oilers can pay Pronger $6 MILLION, and he still wants to
>> leave Deadmonton, then let the Oilers pay themselves for a new rink,
>> not taxpayers!!
>>
>> After all, the Oilers is a BUSINESS, so let them survive, if at all,
>> by satisfying their actual customers.
>>
>> If they don't, then let them go under, just like Woodwards, Eatons,
>> Debajis, and other businesses. With what they pay their thugs,
>> players, they are most definitely NOT A CHARITY, or even a city
>> service!!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:11:40 -0600, Harry Mazal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>With the taxpayers already being JEWED OUT OF $2.5 MILLION A YEAR TO 
>>>SUBSIDIZE
>>>FOR THE NEXT 9 YEARS THESE OVERPAID HOCKEY THUGS, WHY SHOULD WE
>>>GIVE THEM ONE BLOODY NICKEL MORE!!
>>
>>>LET THEM GET THE MONEY NEEDED FROM THEIR SUCCKERS/SUPPORTERS, not 
>>>taxpayers!
>>
>>>On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:48 -0600, "TopPoster"  
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>> news:fle0k1l6hc3dsgh7lgkvilhdqf2st41637@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>> > Saw the headline on the front page of today's Edmonton Journal.
>>
>>>>> > Possibility that, ten years from now, the Oilers could be moving into 
>>>>> > a
>>>>> > new arena.
>>
>>>>> > While they have nine years left to run in their lease on Rexall 
>>>>> > Place,
>>>>> > they could be looking for a bit of choice real estate to build a 
>>>>> > bigger
>>>>> > arena with seating for more Edmonton fans.  (I'm working on the
>>>>> > assumption here that the Edmonton Investors Group plans to keep the 
>>>>> > team
>>>>> > in Edmonton indefinietly.)
>>
>>>>> > Assuming no unexpected downturn in the Alberta economy, it is 
>>>>> > reasonable
>>>>> > to expect that by that time Edmonton will be a much larger city than 
>>>>> > it
>>>>> > is today.
>>
>>>>> > So where to put a new arena.  (I'm guessing sharx would prefer
>>>>> > Duggan--because then he'd be guaranteed a new LRT station close to 
>>>>> > sharx
>>>>> > manor.)
>>
>>>>> Well, I have no objection to a new hockey arena AS LONG AS not one 
>>>>> FUCKING
>>>>> cent of public funds goes into building it or maintaining it. The 
>>>>> fucking
>>>>> owners group gets all the profit and the fucking owners group will get 
>>>>> all
>>>>> the profit from the EVENTUAL sale of the team. Under the current
>>>>contracts,
>>>>> the owners group has no legal obligation to pay back one FUCKING cent 
>>>>> of
>>>>> that TWO MILLION a year the city has been paying Northlands SO THAT THE
>>>>> FUCKING SPOILERS can use Rexall Place. Do I make myself abundantly 
>>>>> FUCKING
>>>>> clear?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > John Fleming
>>>>> > Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>_________________________________________
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Guess the retarded cretin can either not read, or else is unable to
use his browser..


On 26 Jun 2006 09:13:41 -0700, "Maxx"  wrote:

>NotMyName wrote the same old crap.

>No links
>No proof.

>Why is it reported to be in the Edmonton Journal, but never makes the
>news elswhere?



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Subject: Re: $Half MILLION UNDERASSESSED By City Tax Dept.Crooks!! Check YOUR Assessment This Month!
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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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No athlete is worth $6 MILLION a year, just for showing up!

He should have been paid $52,000, then bonuses for goals, Stanley Cup,
etc.

After 5 years, THEN he should get a bonus for fulfilling his contract.
Are there no team managers who know how to draft a contract that makes
sense?

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:17:36 GMT, "Emerald"  wrote:

>Just like Gretsky, Pronger's wife is wearing that pants in that family. 
>Whatever happened to wives saying, "Where you go I will follow." How many 
>Stanley cups did the teams that Gretsky played on get with Gretsky
>om their team???? Same will go to the teams Pronger plays on. Pronger signed 
>a 5 year contract with the Oliers
>And should abide by his contract.  Need I say more?
>-=*Emerald*=-

Perhaps Pronger's wife is scared for her life?
With the cops unable, or unwilling to catch the serial killer of more
than 100 women, who may even be a crooked cop, no wonder she has cause
to be afraid!!

>"NotMyName"  wrote in message 
>news:gobt921sp4vps9gkgi1p044rfu9403fndp@4ax.com...
>> If the stupid Oilers can pay Pronger $6 MILLION, and he still wants to
>> leave Deadmonton, then let the Oilers pay themselves for a new rink,
>> not taxpayers!!
>>
>> After all, the Oilers is a BUSINESS, so let them survive, if at all,
>> by satisfying their actual customers.
>>
>> If they don't, then let them go under, just like Woodwards, Eatons,
>> Debajis, and other businesses. With what they pay their thugs,
>> players, they are most definitely NOT A CHARITY, or even a city
>> service!!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:11:40 -0600, Harry Mazal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>With the taxpayers already being JEWED OUT OF $2.5 MILLION A YEAR TO 
>>>SUBSIDIZE
>>>FOR THE NEXT 9 YEARS THESE OVERPAID HOCKEY THUGS, WHY SHOULD WE
>>>GIVE THEM ONE BLOODY NICKEL MORE!!
>>
>>>LET THEM GET THE MONEY NEEDED FROM THEIR SUCCKERS/SUPPORTERS, not 
>>>taxpayers!
>>
>>>On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:48 -0600, "TopPoster"  
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>> news:fle0k1l6hc3dsgh7lgkvilhdqf2st41637@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>> > Saw the headline on the front page of today's Edmonton Journal.
>>
>>>>> > Possibility that, ten years from now, the Oilers could be moving into 
>>>>> > a
>>>>> > new arena.
>>
>>>>> > While they have nine years left to run in their lease on Rexall 
>>>>> > Place,
>>>>> > they could be looking for a bit of choice real estate to build a 
>>>>> > bigger
>>>>> > arena with seating for more Edmonton fans.  (I'm working on the
>>>>> > assumption here that the Edmonton Investors Group plans to keep the 
>>>>> > team
>>>>> > in Edmonton indefinietly.)
>>
>>>>> > Assuming no unexpected downturn in the Alberta economy, it is 
>>>>> > reasonable
>>>>> > to expect that by that time Edmonton will be a much larger city than 
>>>>> > it
>>>>> > is today.
>>
>>>>> > So where to put a new arena.  (I'm guessing sharx would prefer
>>>>> > Duggan--because then he'd be guaranteed a new LRT station close to 
>>>>> > sharx
>>>>> > manor.)
>>
>>>>> Well, I have no objection to a new hockey arena AS LONG AS not one 
>>>>> FUCKING
>>>>> cent of public funds goes into building it or maintaining it. The 
>>>>> fucking
>>>>> owners group gets all the profit and the fucking owners group will get 
>>>>> all
>>>>> the profit from the EVENTUAL sale of the team. Under the current
>>>>contracts,
>>>>> the owners group has no legal obligation to pay back one FUCKING cent 
>>>>> of
>>>>> that TWO MILLION a year the city has been paying Northlands SO THAT THE
>>>>> FUCKING SPOILERS can use Rexall Place. Do I make myself abundantly 
>>>>> FUCKING
>>>>> clear?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > John Fleming
>>>>> > Edmonton, Canada
>>>
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Typical bureaucratic SCAM!!
The big shots KNEW they were OVERPAYING the teachers, but chose to do
nothing!
The principals KNEW they were OVER BUDGET, but chose to do nothing!
The teachers knew the Board could not afford them, but di not give a
damn.

And what about all the overpaid TRUSTEES? 
Why are they not being prosecuted, for NEGLIGENCE?

What is more alarming, the AUDITORS KNEW THERE WERE SERIOUS FINANCIAL
IRREGULARITIES, AND CHOSE TO COVER THEM UP FOR THOSE YEARS, 
INSTEAD OF EXPOSING THE PEOPLE WHO PAID THEM!! 
Or is it really pay-off to keep quiet?
Does CA still stand for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?

It seems no one directly involved is being held responsible - why?


On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:57 GMT, Sew 
wrote:

>CARRIE McFADZEAN
>Examiner Staff 

>Edmonton Catholic School (ECS) trustees are changing the way they
>operate.
>
>Opening up lines of communication, taking back some of the
>superintendent’s power and playing a role on the budget committee are
>part of sweeping changes in the board’s governance policy.
>
>“For some time, the board has felt the governance model we’ve been
>using hasn’t been working that well,” says board chairperson Debbie
>Cavaliere.
>
>The changes, which were made during a board retreat in late May,
>follow a tumultuous time in the district.
>
>Earlier this year, a $10 million deficit, caused by accounting errors
>and overspending, was discovered. It will take the district five years
>to pay it back. At the end of February, superintendent Dale Ripley’s
>contract was terminated.
>
>While a new superintendent hasn’t been hired yet, Cavaliere says the
>timing was right to change the board’s governance policies.
>
>“It’s a dramatic shift in thinking and it’s time for the change,” she
>says.
>
>The board has been using the Carver model of governance since 1997.
>
>Under this model, used by many school boards in Alberta, trustees set
>policy direction, which is implemented by the superintendent who
>reports directly to the board.
>
>All district staff report only to the superintendent and have no
>contact with trustees.
>
>“Under that model, the board delegated a lot of responsibility,” says
>Cavaliere. 
>
>“It kept only those responsibilities that cannot be delegated like
>school closures, budget allocations and teacher transfers. Everything
>else was delegated to the superintendent.”
>
>Trustees were making important decisions based on information provided
>by the superintendent.
>
>Wanting a broader perspective and information base, trustees signaled
>a need for change.
>
>The new made-in-Edmonton-Catholic model gives more power to the
>trustees.
>
>For example, a trustee will now sit on the budget committee.
>
>Trustees will determine what responsibilities and authority district
>staff have.
>
>The superintendent will still have many of the same responsibilities,
>but trustees will now be able to ask senior staff questions directly.
>
>“It doesn’t put the onus on the superintendent to gather and relay the
>information,” says Cavaliere. “It’s much more effective and more
>efficient.”
>
>The new governance documents are being drafted and will come to a
>public meeting in the fall for a trustee vote.



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In other words no protection for freedom of speech, freedom of though
and the like.

Don't forget in communist Kanada, TRUTH IS NO DEFENCE!!
Canada does not even allow people to own guns, other than crooked cops
and criminals.

So, time to switch from Netidentity and TUCOWS, to a good US server,
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:26:39 -0600, Frank Arthur 
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>WARNING - ISP Netidentity No Longer USA based, but in Canada!!

>To those customers who used to be satisfied with US-based Netidentity.com for
>their domains and email addresses, BE WARNED!

>TUCOWS of Toronto Canada have taken over Netidentity.

>This means that YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE FREEDOMS YOU HAD WITH A US-BASED
>PROVIDER.

>Now, you are subject to the so-called laws of communist Canada!!

>To protect your rights - SWITCH to a US service.
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>WARNING - AVOID TUCOWS in Canada!!



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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:56:38 -0400, Dave Smith
 wrote:


>Frank Arthur wrote:
>
>> With all the international publicity this past week, with TV and newspapers
>> showing the Edmonton cops beating up a young women, plus the tasering of a 66
>> year old lawyer who was photographing the police brutality, no wonder tourists
>> are wondering whether they will be entering a war zone!!
>
>Wah wah wah.
>What's the matter Frank? Won't the Edmonton cops let nancy boys work the downtown
>corners and you have to find new work?

He can always meet with lynn, MM2006, JamesD, larry and whatever other
aliases the ponces use.



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In other words no protection for freedom of speech, freedom of thought
and the like.

Don't forget in communist Kanada, TRUTH IS NO DEFENCE!!
Canada does not even allow people to own guns, other than crooked cops
and criminals.

So, time to switch from Netidentity and TUCOWS, to a good US server,
such as 1&1.com, or Netzero.

Later this year, Canada is passing a law to allow cops to force ISP
and servers to give them info and copies of your internet usage,
WITHOUT A COURT ORDER!!

In other words, avoid dealing with a Canadian internet business!!!


On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:26:39 -0600, Frank Arthur 
wrote:

>WARNING - ISP Netidentity No Longer USA based, but in Canada!!

>To those customers who used to be satisfied with US-based Netidentity.com for
>their domains and email addresses, BE WARNED!

>TUCOWS of Toronto Canada have taken over Netidentity.

>This means that YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE FREEDOMS YOU HAD WITH A US-BASED
>PROVIDER.

>Now, you are subject to the so-called laws of communist Canada!!

>To protect your rights - SWITCH to a US service.
>1&1.com is a great alternative!

>WARNING - AVOID TUCOWS in Canada!!



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What was your point?
Is your name protected by copyright or patent, as is Barbie the dioll?
Are you the only Frank Arthur in the world, known for doing something
useful and distinctive?

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:36:47 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

>How about scum using my name. I am Frank Arthur with a lifetime of decency 
>when a fraud with a degenerate mind like a turd can simply use my name and 
>post in this newqsgroup?
>
>"NotMyName"  wrote in message 
>news:m253a2lvmdj3mpkenra9npfqchju95ltm1@4ax.com...
>> In other words no protection for freedom of speech, freedom of though
>> and the like.
>>
>> Don't forget in communist Kanada, TRUTH IS NO DEFENCE!!
>> Canada does not even allow people to own guns, other than crooked cops
>> and criminals.
>>
>> So, time to switch from Netidentity and TUCOWS, to a good US server,
>> such as 1&1.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:26:39 -0600, Frank Arthur 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>WARNING - ISP Netidentity No Longer USA based, but in Canada!!
>>
>>>To those customers who used to be satisfied with US-based Netidentity.com 
>>>for
>>>their domains and email addresses, BE WARNED!
>>
>>>TUCOWS of Toronto Canada have taken over Netidentity.
>>
>>>This means that YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE FREEDOMS YOU HAD WITH A US-BASED
>>>PROVIDER.
>>
>>>Now, you are subject to the so-called laws of communist Canada!!
>>
>>>To protect your rights - SWITCH to a US service.
>>>1&1.com is a great alternative!
>>
>>>WARNING - AVOID TUCOWS in Canada!!
>> 
>



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Subject: Re: Why appeal Property Assessment? Beause City Tax Assessors Are Either Corrupt, or Crooks!!
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This coming Friday, 30th June is the deadline for filing an Appeal
regarding fraudulently high Tax Assessments.

For a $30 filing fee, one gets the opportunity to say nasty, but true,
things about the crooks in the city tax assessment department.

Plus, with a little work, one has a good chance to get the assessment,
and city taxes, lowered, plus a refund of the $30 fee!


On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:02:43 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:
>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but
>>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then  you are
>>>> >> $> probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built
>>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done renovations
>>>> >> $> and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he  could
>>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)

>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours  enough
>>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:21:08 GMT, Asterix
 wrote:

Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

Guess even a high roller like Weldon resents other crooks in town
getting away with graft and corruption?

>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>wrote:
>>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>> Sharx the nark

>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>>> but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>> erroneous

>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>> Here are some reasons:

>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.

>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.

>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>>> >> you are probably over assessed.

>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>>> >> built garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>> >> renovations and you haven't.

>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.

>>>> > LOL

>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>>> > could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>>> refuses to get the permits?



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DEFINITELY A REAL SCAM!!

Canada Immigration is extremely apprehensive about letting people from
Poland or Palestine enter Canada, because of control of Canada by
ZYDS, who dislike the Polish and Palestinians because they blame
Poland for Oswiecim!!

More importantly, reputable universities and colleges NEVER USE
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As for High School programs, such are available for less cost in
Singapore or Malaysia, or even Australia or New Zealand.

Save your money and avoid such scams!!

By the way, legitimate immigration consultants MUST BE REGTISTERED
WITH CANADA IMMIGRATION.
There is no knowledge of this business with the Government of Canada!!


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What was your point?
Is your name protected by copyright or patent, as is Barbie the dioll?
Are you the only Frank Arthur in the world, known for doing something
useful and distinctive?

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:36:47 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

>How about scum using my name. I am Frank Arthur with a lifetime of decency 
>when a fraud with a degenerate mind like a turd can simply use my name and 
>post in this newqsgroup?
>
>"NotMyName"  wrote in message 
>news:m253a2lvmdj3mpkenra9npfqchju95ltm1@4ax.com...
>> In other words no protection for freedom of speech, freedom of though
>> and the like.
>>
>> Don't forget in communist Kanada, TRUTH IS NO DEFENCE!!
>> Canada does not even allow people to own guns, other than crooked cops
>> and criminals.
>>
>> So, time to switch from Netidentity and TUCOWS, to a good US server,
>> such as 1&1.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:26:39 -0600, Frank Arthur 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>WARNING - ISP Netidentity No Longer USA based, but in Canada!!
>>
>>>To those customers who used to be satisfied with US-based Netidentity.com 
>>>for
>>>their domains and email addresses, BE WARNED!
>>
>>>TUCOWS of Toronto Canada have taken over Netidentity.
>>
>>>This means that YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE FREEDOMS YOU HAD WITH A US-BASED
>>>PROVIDER.
>>
>>>Now, you are subject to the so-called laws of communist Canada!!
>>
>>>To protect your rights - SWITCH to a US service.
>>>1&1.com is a great alternative!
>>
>>>WARNING - AVOID TUCOWS in Canada!!
>> 
>



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Who is this Grossie that Weldon fears so much?


On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:18:24 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"NotMyName"  wrote in message 
>news:t395a29uaif1augudhskrp3o8ae6gebuk4@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:21:08 GMT, Asterix
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
>> tax department, which is why he reposts the header.
>
>Strange logic, must be a Grossie specialty.
>>
>> Guess even a high roller like Weldon resents other crooks in town
>> getting away with graft and corruption?
>
>FOAD, Grossie, keep up the lies about me, and get a call from my lawyer.
>
>
>>
>>>On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>>>wrote:
>>>>"TopPoster."  wrote in message
>>>>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>>>> Sharx the nark
>>
>>>>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may
>>>>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.
>>
>>>Well said, sharx.
>>
>> If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
>> UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
>> deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
>> the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!
>>
>>
>>>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin 
>>>>> once
>>>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held 
>>>>> dear.
>>>>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, 
>>>>> it
>>>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
>>>>> but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
>>>>> erroneous
>>
>>>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:
>>
>>>>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>>>>> Here are some reasons:
>>
>>>>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>
>>>>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>
>>>>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then
>>>>>> >> you are probably over assessed.
>>
>>>>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours 
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> built garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>>>> >> renovations and you haven't.
>>
>>>>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>
>>>>>> > LOL
>>
>>>>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he
>>>>>> > could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the 
>>>>>> > necessary
>>>>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market
>>>>>> > value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>>>> > John Fleming
>>>>>> > Edmonton, Canada
>>
>>>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours
>>>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've 
>>>>>> filed such
>>>>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw 
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> refuses to get the permits?
>> 
>



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A very good point.
Guess we must then find and use servers not connected with
Germany,Austria, or Canada or UK?
Care to suggest a good server that will not be coerced?


On 29 Jun 2006 13:49:17 -0000, TwistyCreek 
wrote:
>NotMyName  wrote:
>
>> So, time to switch from Netidentity and TUCOWS, to a good US server,
>> such as 1&1.com, or Netzero.
>
>Fun Fact:
>1&1 US is controlled by its german mother 1&1. If german courts extend
>their reach as US courts tend to do, you better don't host any Nazi stuff
>on 1&1 servers.



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Subject: Re: Edmonton Canada Gestapo Getting Bad International Reputation  for Brutality - AVOID Edmonton
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The Edmonton Journal for yesterday 29 June 2006 had a full page of
letters to the editor complaining about the police brutality!!

These comments are apart from concern by the taxpayers regarding the
supposed extra $2.2MILLION cost claimed by the new police chief.
Guess his undercover rioters did not come cheap?
Is this part of the reason Toronto refused repeatedly to give Mike
Boyd the position of Chief Cop?

Chief Boyd admits that there are at least 35 unresolved complaints
filed against his police in connection with police brutality over the
past week or so!


On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:17:52 -0600, Frank Arthur 
wrote:

>The local media had a great day publicising the torture of a young woman by
>another rogue Edmonton cop!!

>This Gestapo-like thug was photographed by several reporters, while he beat
>the handcuffed young lady and threw her face onto the pavement, breaking open
>her face!

>In another incident the same night, a 66 year old lawyer , Brian Fish, was
>tasered illegally, for taking pictures of police brutality. He is now laying
>charges against the cops involved.

>And the police chief seems to be doing nothing about all his crooked cops!
>Is this why Mike Boyd was refused the Chief's position in Toronto?

>Guess Chief Boyd was too busy wasting $2,200,000 of taxpayers money 
>setting up his thugs to torture civilians?

>Mind you, the inept cops still have not caught the serial killer of more than
>100 prostitutes, or even the killers of another 2 people this week!!


>On 2006-06-19 11:53:03 -0400, Boadicea  said:

>> The Edmonton Journal for today - 19 June 2006 - carries 2 pages full
>> of photos showing the Edmonton Gestapo TORTURING a woman, who was not 
>> resisting!!

>> Guess the crooked cops forgot that there are people taking
>> photographs?

>> And the jew mayor sees nothing wrong with police brutality.
>> Guess he belongs to the kill-a palestinian school of torture?

>> And they wonder why tourists around the world are starting to avoid
>> visiting UNSAFE Canada!!



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Subject: Re: STUDY IN CANADA WITHOUT TOEFL/IELTS (SEPTEMBER 2006 INTAKE) - SCAM!! Avoid Getting Swindled!
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DEFINITELY A REAL SCAM!!

Canada Immigration is extremely apprehensive about letting people from
Poland or Palestine enter Canada, because of control of Canada by
ZYDS, who dislike the Polish and Palestinians because they blame
Poland for Oswiecim!!

More importantly, reputable universities and colleges NEVER USE
SO-CALLED RECRUITING FIRMS TO FIND STUDENTS!!

As for High School programs, such are available for less cost in
Singapore or Malaysia, or even Australia or New Zealand.

Save your money and avoid such scams!!

By the way, legitimate immigration consultants MUST BE REGTISTERED
WITH CANADA IMMIGRATION.
There is no knowledge of this business with the Government of Canada!!


On 27 Jun 2006 17:47:15 -0700, "Marwan Zaki" 
wrote:

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Subject: Re: MAN CHARGED AFTER VIDEOTAPING POLICE-In Edmonton Canada 66 Year Old Lawyer Tasered for Photographing Police Brutality!!
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In Edmonton canada a week ago, a 66 year old lawyer was criminally
tasered by a rogue cop, for photographing police brutality on innocent
civilians!!

Sort of like what the cops did to Rodney King!!

No wonder the Edmonton Gestapo are getting such an unsavoury worldwide
reputation!!

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:13:22 -0500, "harmony"  wrote:
>"RogerRabbit"  wrote in message 
>news:2j8pg.2663$5J6.2016@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> usenet@mantra.comnRi1f0l7M or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
>> wrote:
>>> Man charged after videotaping police
>>>
>>> http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658296/posts
>>>
>>> Jai Maharaj
>>> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
>>> http://www.mantra.com/jai
>>> Om Shanti
>>
>> Very shocking to read this. Is this true that owning such devices are 
>> against the law?

>blame it on 9/11, "which has changed everything" as bushistas never tire of 
>remind us. 




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Do you really expect idiots in the uSA to pay $155 for an atlas of
Russian cities?
He must be smoking that funny green stuff again.....


On 2 Jun 2006 01:53:43 -0700, "hamilton"  wrote:

>June 2, 2006
>
>Dear colleague,
>
>Subject:  New CD-ROM Atlases from Russia
>
>Hamilton Global Management now has available new CD-ROM atlases from
>Russia.
>The atlases cover 120 major cities in Russia (street atlases); all
>oblasts,
>krays, and republics in Russia; and all countries of the CIS.  Each
>atlas
>shows great detail and includes informative gazeteers of streets,
>towns,
>roads, rivers, industrial plants, and more.
>
>The atlases were produced in Russia.  The atlases operate in English,
>and
>the maps use the English alphabet.  The maps also display the exact
>longitude
>and latitude of any point or object.
>
>The new atlases run right from the CD-ROM disks, requiring no
>installation.
>They are compatible with Windows 98SE, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.
>
>Hamilton Global Management invites all interested persons to visit its
>new
>atlas Web site at
>
>http://www.mdres.com/atlascatalog/
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>David C. Andresen
>Vice-President



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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Why so many ZYDS involved?
Notice that Bronfmans managed to keep their names out of news story,
even though involved.


On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:37:08 +0200, "brat_olin" 
wrote:

>Kto to jest ten Joseph Retinger z Polski??
>
>AFP:  World's who's who hold secret talks in Ottawa
>Jun 09
>
>The world's political elite, top thinkers and powerful business folk 
>gathered here for an annual, ultra-secretive Bilderberg conference as heavy 
>security kept conspiracy theorists and curious onlookers at bay.
>
>Global luminaries such as former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, US 
>banker David Rockefeller and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands were greeted 
>at the airport by limousine drivers holding single-letter "B" signs late 
>Thursday, said local reports.
>
>They were quickly whisked away to the Brookstreet Hotel in a serene suburb 
>of Ottawa for three-day talks on oil markets, security concerns tied to 
>Iran's nuclear ambitions, terrorism, and immigration, the Ottawa Citizen 
>reported.
>
>Conspiracy theorists who follow the group accuse it of plotting world 
>domination at its informal annual gatherings.
>
>But, Richard Perle, former US defence policy advisor, upon his arrival in 
>Ottawa, denied allegations the group crafts public policy behind closed 
>doors. "It discusses public policy," he stressed to a Citizen reporter.
>
>A statement from the group said the meetings were private to encourage 
>"frank and open discussions."
>
>But skeptic Daniel Estulin, who flew from Spain to try to cover the 
>conference, said their intent is to "create a world government ruled by an 
>elite group of people whose main objective is to control all the natural 
>resources on the planet."
>
>Another local observer commented to the Citizen: "There are all sorts of 
>gaps in what politicians say and do. This is just another example of the 
>circumventing of the democratic process."
>The talks are by invitation-only. Because discussions are off-the-record, 
>the group has been subject to similar criticisms and speculation about its 
>intentions since 1954 when the first conference was held at the Hotel de 
>Bilderberg in the Netherlands.
>
>Several sources say Poland's Joseph Retinger, former Belgian prime minister 
>Paul van Zeeland, and former Unilever chief executive Paul Rijkens organized 
>the first meeting to unite European and US elites amid growing 
>cross-Atlantic tensions a half-century ago.
>
>Its success spawned similar talks at posh hotels and palaces in Europe, the 
>United States and Canada each year since.
>
>Other attendees seen arriving in Ottawa on Thursday included former Canadian 
>ambassador to Washington Frank McKenna, Royal Dutch Shell chairman Jorma 
>Ollila, former World Bank president James Wolfenson and Scandinavian 
>Airlines chairman Egil Myklebust, according to reports.
>
>Former New York governor George Pataki, Iraq's deputy prime minister Ahmad 
>Chalabi, the heads of Coca-Cola, Credit Suisse, the Royal Bank of Canada, 
>several media moguls, and cabinet ministers from Spain and Greece, were also 
>expected to attend. 
>



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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:29:35 +1100, "Just JT" 
wrote:
>"Daeron"  wrote:

>> As it happens, yes I am Australian so yes the drugs were intended for me
>> and my nation. But neither I nor my community want Nguyen to be executed
>> for trying to do this stupid and wicked thing for his brother.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*ck off and speak for yourself, bleeding heart lefty! I live am Australian 
>and I AM HAPPY THAT THIS SCUMBAG DRUG CARRIER NGUYEN WILL PAY FOR HIS LIFE. 
>Australia should REINTRODUCE the death penalty for heinous crimes such as 
>DRUG TRAFFICKING.

>> And I see no reason that Singapore should have to pay for his imprisonment
>> either, just because it managed to pickup this person in transit whom the
>> Australian customs may or may not have caught. I think it is only fair 
>> that
>> he be transported to Australia for Australia to pay the costs.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*CK OFF AGAIN. Our taxpayers' money is better spent on PROTECTING and 
>SUPPORTING LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS like you and me. These CRIMINALS SHOULD ALL 
>DIE DIE DIE!!

>SINGAPORE, I SALUTE YOU FOR EXECUTING THIS DRUG CARRIER!!!

Singapore must be thanked for saving taxpayers in Australia many
millions in costs and maintenance of this garbage creature.
Send Singapore a good present for Chinese New Year 29 January.

Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have
approved special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags, as well as judges
giving special deals for multiple murderers!!

In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get
their just punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!

Tomorrow another drug dealer will get the Singapore Long Drop!!
HOORAY!!

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:34:37 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags, and multiple murderers!!

>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>of televising executions.

>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>but not limited to such, would include:

>         AIDS spreaders
>         rapists
>         drug dealers
>         home invaders
>         armed robbers
>         pederasts and similar child molesters
>         crooked liars/lawyers
>         corrupt judges
>         corrupt politicians
>         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>              criminals being released

>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:

>any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
>     obviously  include most faggots
>white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>     dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>     how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)

>More suggestions for both categories are invited.

>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>         vivisection
>         medical experiments without anaesthetic
>         target practice for police and military
>         beheading
>         hanging
>         barbecueing by electrocution
>         drawing & quartering
>         guillotining, very popular in France
>         flaying alive until dead
>         stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

>Suggestions are invited, on all the above points.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


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1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" 

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George" 




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Nochmal fragen - 
Wenn es wirklich kein Plant in Kanada gibt, dann wer hat die 32
MILLIONEN?  Ist GEKO dann kaput?

Kann Bundesfinanzamt erklaeren?


>On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:04:45 GMT, Asterix
> wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:34 -0600, Chief Instigator
>> wrote:
>
>>>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today 15 August 2005,
>>>the report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT
>>>EVEN THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE 
>>>COMPUTER RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!
>>
>>>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>>>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>>>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>>>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>>>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>>>interests of the public, and charities.
>>
>>>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>>>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.
>>
>>Bis jetzt, keine Plant!!
>>Wo ist 32 Millionen?
>>
>>
>>>From: Ken Levi 
>>>Newsgroups:
>>>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>>>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>>>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700
>>
>>>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>>>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>>>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>>>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??
>>
>>>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>>>from Germany?
>>
>>>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>>>disappearance of this money from their control?
>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>>>
>>>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>>>
>>>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>>>
>>>
>>>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>>>
>>>
>>>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>>>local garbage dump.
>>>
>>>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>>>
>>>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>>>business in a nearby town.
>>>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>>>
>>>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>>>
>>>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>>>
>>>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>>>
>>>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>>>
>>>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>>>as well as City Hall.
>>>
>>>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>>>Deadmonton.
>>>
>>>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>>>
>>>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>>>
>>>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>>>
>>>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>>>
>>>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>>>
>>>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>>>Canada and the USA!!
>>>
>>>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
>>>>or even ask Jan Reimer who brought it up in the election campaign...
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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann

>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001

>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm

>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.

>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.

>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.

>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.

>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."

>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.

>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.

>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron

>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.

>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.

>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."

>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.

>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.

>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."

>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.

>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.

>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.

>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.

>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.

>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.

>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.

>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.

>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.

>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.

>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM

>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.

>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.

>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.

>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.

>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."

>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.

>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.

>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.

>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.

>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage
people, such as drug dealers.

They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an
executed criminal will never re-offend!!

Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for
the upkeep in some pampering prison system!!

If only the justice systems in North America would follow suit!!!


On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
wrote:

>AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>the streets of Sydney.

>The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.

>But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>opposes the death penalty worldwide.

>Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.

>It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>appeals for clemency.

>It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>bodies or conceal it in their luggage.

>Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>lethally injects traffickers.

>Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>of couriers the trade calls "mules".

>"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>the law of quick dollars."

>The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>his own party room.

>The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.

>Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>previous successful run and another aborted attempt.

>This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>treaties.

>"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>we will continue to operate within."

>What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.

>The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.

>"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.

>Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.

>While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>action.

>The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>do as it thought best until charges were laid.

>By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>evidence had been gathered.

>Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>choose who it chooses to cooperate with."

>International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>a decade.

>Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.

>Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>support of up to 80 per cent.

>In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>die.

>Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.

>In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>acts of terrorism.

>Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.

>How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.

>Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.

>Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.

>It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>Jakarta.

>And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>his mind.

>Death penalty Australia's double dilemma 
>
>18.02.06
>By Greg Ansley



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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:29:35 +1100, "Just JT" 
wrote:
>"Daeron"  wrote:

>> As it happens, yes I am Australian so yes the drugs were intended for me
>> and my nation. But neither I nor my community want Nguyen to be executed
>> for trying to do this stupid and wicked thing for his brother.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*ck off and speak for yourself, bleeding heart lefty! I live am Australian 
>and I AM HAPPY THAT THIS SCUMBAG DRUG CARRIER NGUYEN WILL PAY FOR HIS LIFE. 
>Australia should REINTRODUCE the death penalty for heinous crimes such as 
>DRUG TRAFFICKING.

>> And I see no reason that Singapore should have to pay for his imprisonment
>> either, just because it managed to pickup this person in transit whom the
>> Australian customs may or may not have caught. I think it is only fair 
>> that
>> he be transported to Australia for Australia to pay the costs.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*CK OFF AGAIN. Our taxpayers' money is better spent on PROTECTING and 
>SUPPORTING LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS like you and me. These CRIMINALS SHOULD ALL 
>DIE DIE DIE!!

>SINGAPORE, I SALUTE YOU FOR EXECUTING THIS DRUG CARRIER!!!

Singapore must be thanked for saving taxpayers in Australia many
millions in costs and maintenance of this garbage creature.
Send Singapore a good present for Chinese New Year 29 January.

Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have
approved special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags, as well as judges
giving special deals for multiple murderers!!

In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get
their just punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!

Tomorrow another drug dealer will get the Singapore Long Drop!!
HOORAY!!

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:34:37 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags, and multiple murderers!!

>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>of televising executions.

>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>but not limited to such, would include:

>         AIDS spreaders
>         rapists
>         drug dealers
>         home invaders
>         armed robbers
>         pederasts and similar child molesters
>         crooked liars/lawyers
>         corrupt judges
>         corrupt politicians
>         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>              criminals being released

>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:

>any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
>     obviously  include most faggots
>white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>     dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>     how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)

>More suggestions for both categories are invited.

>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>         vivisection
>         medical experiments without anaesthetic
>         target practice for police and military
>         beheading
>         hanging
>         barbecueing by electrocution
>         drawing & quartering
>         guillotining, very popular in France
>         flaying alive until dead
>         stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

>Suggestions are invited, on all the above points.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


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1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" 

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George" 




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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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On 30 May 2006 16:57:18 -0700, "His Divine Shadow"
 wrote:

>Asterix wrote:
>> When places like Edmonton get worldwide publicity for POLICE TORTURING
>> INNOCENT CIVILIANS; punk kids murder bus passenger and cops don't
>> bother to attend for over half an hour; many cops now charged with
>> tasering people; all the hooligans amok on Whyte Avenue while cops
>> stand by with fingers up their butts.
>
>FEAR! UNCERTANTY! DOUBT!
>
>Obviously, based on these hyperbolic and unsupportable statements, the
>only recourse is to panic.

I guess you can not afford to get newspapers, nor do you have a TV.

The media for the past few months have been reporting so many
incidents of crooked cops in Edmonton, one must wonder whether there
are any HONEST cops in that place.

Even the former police chief had to be fired for just cause.

Then, TV showed all the goons in town rioting, smashing store windows,
setting fires in the streets, and basically looking like somewhere in
darkest Africa.

Would any sane person want to go there as a tourist>
Of course, not!


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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:52:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
 wrote:
>Asterix wrote:
>> On 30 May 2006 16:57:18 -0700, "His Divine Shadow"
>>  wrote:
>>>Asterix wrote:

>>>>When places like Edmonton get worldwide publicity 

>snip

>> Would any sane person want to go there as a tourist>
>> Of course, not!

>Perhaps they want to watch decent Canadian hockey?
There isn't any, in Canada.

Perhaps foreign tourists are fed up having to be swindled by Canadian
tourist sites?

Perhaps foreign tourists dislike all the gouging by the Canadian
government with all their taxes and fees, for no services?

Perhaps tourists have heard on international TV about unsafe sites
such as West Edmonton Mall, this week for the second time havbing part
of the roof collapse, together with massive flooding of contaminated
water?

Perhaps tourists feel that they can get better value for their
payment, by visiting eastern Europe, SE Asia, or even countries in the
Caribbean, rather than communist Canada.



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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:17:38 GMT, JamesD  wrote:

George is completely correct on all points
The original posting smells like a swindle on stupid people from
abroad.

>On Mon, 30 May 2005 10:35:32 -0600, George  
>wrote:

It sure smells like a swindle, since reputable Canadian schools and
universities NEVER USE recruiting firms!! As for them claiming to
represent 51 such institutions, which is almost all there are in
Canada, take it with a bucket of fertiliser!!

Immigration consultants need to be registered with Canada Immigration,
but this firm does not seem to have a listing with the government of
Canada!

Their claim that "demanding programs that lead you to immigration are
as below" is pure poppycock, since the immigration requirements change
monthly, depending on job vacancies that are unfilled by residents in
Canada!!

IN OTHER WORDS, SAVE YOUR MONEY, AND TIME, BY AVOIDING SCAM 
ARTISTS AND SWINDLERS.

IF YOU MUST CONSIDER EMIGRATING TO CANADA, THEN GET ALL THE
INFORMATION FOR FREE, FROM YOUR NEAREST CANADA CONSUL, OR EMBASSY,
 OR HIGH COMMISSION.


>>On 26 May 2005 11:22:39 -0700, rgarg@zeeinfotech.com wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Prospective Students,
>>
>>>Looking for Graduate/Under Graduate/PG Diploma/Diploma/High School
>>>Programs in Canada!
>>
>>>We would like to introduce Zee InfoTech Inc, Overseas Education and
>>>Immigration consultants of Canada. Located in the Beautiful British
>>>Columbia, Canada "Zee InfoTech Inc. is bound by strict professional
>>>standards of practice". Our Head Office is located in Coquitlam,
>>>BC's most prime location with average daily MBA/MSc/Diploma/High
>>>Schooling enrolment of 4-5 students from across the world.
>>
>>>Zee InfoTech Inc. is representing more than 51 colleges and
>>>Universities of Canada to recruit overseas students. We would like to
>>>enrol all the prospective students for MBA/MSc/Diploma/High Schooling
>>>Program or other Graduate and Post Graduate Programs at Canadian
>>>Colleges/Universities who are willing to pursue their further studies
>>>in Canada.
>>
>>>The highest demanding programs that lead you to Immigration are as
>>>below:-
>>>
>>>·           Master in Business Administration
>>>
>>>·           Master in Computer Science
>>>
>>>·           Bachelor in Computer Science
>>>
>>>·           Bachelor in Business Administration
>>>
>>>·           Advanced Business Management and E-Commerce
>>>
>>>·           International Trade and Business Management
>>>
>>>·           Community Support Worker Social Services
>>>
>>>·           Practical Nursing
>>>
>>>·           Pharmacy Technician
>>>
>>>·           Medical Office Assistant
>>>
>>>·           Resident Care Attendant and Recreational Activities
>>>Assistant
>>>
>>>·           Live-in Care Givers
>>>
>>>·           Tourism Hospitality Management and Computer Applications
>>>
>>>·           International Hospitality Management & E-Commerce

>>>·           Tourism Hospitality Management and Business Management
>>>and E-Com.

>>>·           Tourism Hospitality Management and Professional Buss.
>>>Management

>>>·           Network Systems Analyst

>>>·           Multimedia Design and Communication

>>>·           More than 100 other Diploma/Under Graduate and Graduate
>>>Program are available.

>>>We are recruiting International students now for September 2005 Intake.

>>>To register, please contact us by phone or email or Apply
>>>Online........



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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:47:43 -0600, Gourd McVey 
wrote:

It sure smells like a swindle, since reputable Canadian schools and
universities NEVER USE recruiting firms!! As for them claiming to
represent 51 such institutions, which is almost all there are in
Canada, take it with a bucket of fertiliser!!

Immigration consultants need to be registered with Canada Immigration,
but this firm does not seem to have a listing with the government of
Canada!

Their claim that "demanding programs that lead you to immigration are
as below" is pure poppycock, since the immigration requirements change
monthly, depending on job vacancies that are unfilled by residents in
Canada!!

IN OTHER WORDS, SAVE YOUR MONEY, AND TIME, BY AVOIDING SCAM 
ARTISTS AND SWINDLERS.

IF YOU MUST CONSIDER EMIGRATING TO CANADA, THEN GET ALL THE
INFORMATION FOR FREE, FROM YOUR NEAREST CANADA CONSUL, OR EMBASSY, 
OR HIGH COMMISSION.


>On 26 May 2005 11:22:39 -0700, rgarg@zeeinfotech.com wrote:
>
>>Dear Prospective Students,
>
>>Looking for Graduate/Under Graduate/PG Diploma/Diploma/High School
>>Programs in Canada!
>
>>We would like to introduce Zee InfoTech Inc, Overseas Education and
>>Immigration consultants of Canada. Located in the Beautiful British
>>Columbia, Canada "Zee InfoTech Inc. is bound by strict professional
>>standards of practice". Our Head Office is located in Coquitlam,
>>BC's most prime location with average daily MBA/MSc/Diploma/High
>>Schooling enrolment of 4-5 students from across the world.
>
>>Zee InfoTech Inc. is representing more than 51 colleges and
>>Universities of Canada to recruit overseas students. We would like to
>>enrol all the prospective students for MBA/MSc/Diploma/High Schooling
>>Program or other Graduate and Post Graduate Programs at Canadian
>>Colleges/Universities who are willing to pursue their further studies
>>in Canada.
>
>>The highest demanding programs that lead you to Immigration are as
>>below:-
>>
>>·           Master in Business Administration
>>
>>·           Master in Computer Science
>>
>>·           Bachelor in Computer Science
>>
>>·           Bachelor in Business Administration
>>
>>·           Advanced Business Management and E-Commerce
>>
>>·           International Trade and Business Management
>>
>>·           Community Support Worker Social Services
>>
>>·           Practical Nursing
>>
>>·           Pharmacy Technician
>>
>>·           Medical Office Assistant
>>
>>·           Resident Care Attendant and Recreational Activities
>>Assistant
>>
>>·           Live-in Care Givers
>>
>>·           Tourism Hospitality Management and Computer Applications
>>
>>·           International Hospitality Management & E-Commerce
>>
>>·           Tourism Hospitality Management and Business Management
>>and E-Com.
>>
>>·           Tourism Hospitality Management and Professional Buss.
>>Management
>>
>>·           Network Systems Analyst
>>
>>·           Multimedia Design and Communication
>>
>>·           More than 100 other Diploma/Under Graduate and Graduate
>>Program are available.
>
>>We are recruiting International students now for September 2005 Intake.
>
>>To register, please contact us by phone or email or Apply
>>Online........
>
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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann

>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001

>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm

>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.

>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.

>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.

>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.

>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."

>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.

>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.

>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron

>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.

>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.

>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."

>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.

>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.

>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."

>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.

>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.

>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.

>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.

>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.

>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.

>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.

>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.

>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.

>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.

>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM

>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.

>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.

>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.

>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.

>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."

>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.

>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.

>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.

>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.

>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:37:16 -0700, Frank Arthur 
wrote:

NOTE:  Do not print this out if you reside in  Austria;
Belgium; France; Germany; Israel; Spain or Switzerland.

WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,
imprisoned or both for discussing the topics set
forth in this article.

From: hoaxbuster 
Newsgroups: de.soc.politik.misc
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 04:28:15 -0700

Die Holocaust Geschichte ist ein Schwindel weil niemand
vergasst wurde. Von den angeblichen ermordeten 6 millionen
Juden, mehr als zwei millionen wurden angeblich mit
Dieselauspuff umgebracht-  -dass ist technisch absurd.

Zur gleichen Zeit hatte man ungefaehr 500,000 Holzgas-lastwagen
auf den Strassen. Holzgas is Giftgas mit mehr as 20%
Kohlenmonoxid--bis auf 35%--und ist sehr toedlich. Es waere
ideal gewesen fuer Massenmord. Aber dieser Mittel wurde
angeblich nie benutzt fuer Mord--nur viele Todesfaelle durch
Unglueck. Diesel Auspuff enthaelt weniger als 0.4% und dass
nur mit hoher Belasting am Diesel--im Leerlauf enthaelt Diesel
Auspuff weniger als 0.1% CO und 18% Sauerstoff.

Um eine schwere Belastung zu erreichen muss mann etwas
ankuppeln zum Diesel--ein grosses Geblaese, oder eine schwere
Pumpe, oder ein Generator, oder etwas.  Nur in "Neutral" oder
Leerlauf oder schneller Leerlauf, oder mit nur eine kleine
Belastung waere eine Vegasung in eine halbe Stunde mit
Dieselauspuff voellig unmoeglich.

Kurz gesagt: Obwohl Dieselauspuff ideal zum foltern waere,
es ist Absurd fuer Massenmord--und so ist die Holocaust
Geschichte auch!!

Noch zum Thema in grossen: es gibt heute zwischen eine
halben Million und eine Million juedische Holocaustueberlebende
und das fuenfzig Jahre nach dem Krieg.  Die wollen alle natuerlich
viel Geld und ihre Haend kann mann heute gut zaehlen:  300,000
in Israel, 500,000 in Amerika usw.  Wem hat Hitler angeblich
umgebracht wenn es so viele Ueberlebende gibt?

FPBerg


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

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David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
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Now there are at least another 50 documented cases like KASTNER, and
RUMKOWSKI!!
The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS!!

Even the notorious Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to have been a nazi
GESTAPO  COLLABORATOR!!


On 24 Oct 2004 17:22:19 -0000, DerStuermer  wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>Date: 1997/07/12

>The Kastner Case
>-----------------

>Introduction

>Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of all
>and will show that on this question 'The documentation available is
>overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine Speaks
>claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly the
>most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist collaboration
>broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first, and in greater detail.
>
>Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some books
>in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its case appears
>strongest, and on the points to which it has given greatest emphasis,we
>hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that things are not quite
>what they may have appeared before this inquiry began.
>
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>rehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>3CR for anti-semitism.
>
>It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>what Kastner was accused of.
>
>This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works dealing
>with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart from 3CR, the
>suppression of information has been so complete, that even an expert
>like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on the matter, has
>been unable to find out what it is all about.
>
>The Accusations
>----------------
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald,
>he wrote:
>
>'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives with
>the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council
>which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at
>Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics
>of the exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me when I
>escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks
>notice that Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there.
>
>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany collapsed,
>to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit. pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation,
>I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a
>few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>not too high for me.
>
>.We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case
>and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid, p.26ö-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is the term
>that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had known what the
>accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR saying 'In these
>circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious and absurd'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>The Verdict
>------------
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on 3CR,
>has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to the Jewish
>community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to promote racism,
>in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>
>It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information can
>backfire on the censors themselves.
>
>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:
>
>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead
>the Jews.
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower
>these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to
>the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their community
>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council
>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>expensively if honorably guided.
>
>Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority
>of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the
>agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the
>Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of
>Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated quickly
>to another."
>
>(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>General
>v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, 1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>
>"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he concealed
>the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>remove Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment
>the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were
>sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that there
>was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal.
>Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." (ibid)
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproven
>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>
>Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>matter.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
>
>The Reaction
>-------------
>Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.
>
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>
>In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>
>"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>
>*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>
>"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>defense." (23 June 1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>libel.
>
>As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>*Ma'ariv*:
>
>"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>of our history!
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24 June 1955)
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand here
>as a private individual. He was a recognized representative, official or
>non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in Palestine and of the
>Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court to defend the
>representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the
>name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>rehabilitated'.
>
>The Majority Judgement
>-------------------------
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and convicted
>Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>
>In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>totally missing the point.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>Kastner.
>They JOINED him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying,
>'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which on can
>properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>.And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration and
>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>his efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>disclose the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>with the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>his findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>at.
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>hour of crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>warn and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>train for Palestine.
>
>The Minority Judgement
>--------------------------
>It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority judgement of
>Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>
>"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret of the
>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews,
>even though, in fact, he brought about its result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from
>the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>able to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money,
>bribery, etc - and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds
>of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>he decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>of the last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>the countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>the news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>activity.
>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder.
>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>evidence for this.
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great
>war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>is attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>retroactive light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>Conclusion
>-----------
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the 'dragging in
>of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi relationships'.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds of
>'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that they
>were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on
>the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it, 'now dead'. Or
>putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>secret service.
>(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>admitted in court during the murder trial).
>
>Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many people
>have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is whether,
>if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many more could
>have been saved, and whether this is not an essential future consideration,
>at least as an insurance policy.
>
>The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the Nazis
>and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had not
>existed.
>Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>insurance policy, is like using petro for a fire extinguisher.
>
>Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>
>We shall go on to prove this in detail.
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:21:14 GMT, "princeandy"  wrote:

>WHAT DOUBTS????
>
>>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:
>>
>>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead
>>the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>of Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>hampering the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower
>>these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to
>>the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community
>>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council
>>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing
>the
>>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>>ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>>expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>>Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>>exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>task easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>>the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>>Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>majority
>>of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in
>the
>>agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division
>of
>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the
>>Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of
>>Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.
>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was
>that
>>Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other
>camp
>>and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>from the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>to evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated quickly
>>to another."
>>
>>(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>>General
>>v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, 1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>remove Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>
>"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message
>news:9Zamg.4103$DI2.3584@trnddc05...
>Europe doubts Israel's claims
>
>THERE IS NO DOBT THE ONLY DOUBT IS WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THE WHOLE MESS? DID
>THE JEWS/ZIONISTS CAUSE THE WHOLE MESS AND THEN SUFFER THE FAITH OF BEINGING
>IMPRISONED WHEN THE WHOLE POPULATION WAS STARVING.
>AS THE ALLIED  WINNERS THEMSELVES WERE ON SEVERE RATIONING, WHICH WAS A GOOD
>THING FOR SOME COUNTRIES WHERE HEART AND OTHER PROBLEMS INDUCED BY SMOKING
>AND OVER EATING WERE DOWN DURING WAR YEARS.
>
>
>
>TIME ACADEMICS STOPPED  JEWS AND SUPPORTERS TO ENJOYING  A GOOD LIVING  ON
>LIES AND DISHONEST PRACTICES IN CORRUPTING OUR HISTORY WHILE SUPPORTING THE
>JAILING OF  HONEST ACADEMICS TRYING TO PRESENT AND INCORPORATE THE TRUTH IN
>WHAT IS MAINLY OUR HISTORY OF WWII AND NOT THE SOLE PROPERTY OF THE
>JEWQW/ZIONIST/ISRAELI CLIQUE TO USE TO SUPPORT FURTHER LIES AND
>MISREPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE PRACTICES OF THE ZIONISTS AND SAME GROUP WHO
>ARE IN POWER IN ISRAEL.
>
>"Yisroel Markov"  wrote in message
>news:c58u72tfjrt2dafgrbko9qs33rutp5jh5h@4ax.com...
>> UK to Israeli Profs: Class Dismissed
>> ------------------------------------
>> The weird movement to boycott Israeli academics
>> By Ari Paul
>
>NOTHING WEIRD , THE WEIRD IS THE STANDING BACK AND ACTUALLY ALLOWING THE
>PAMPERED AND EGOTISTICAL JEWISH/ZIONIST/ISRAELI ACADEMICS BLUFF THEM INTO
>NOT CONTRADICTING ALL THE LIES THEY HAVE ACTUALLY MADE A PART OF WWII
>HISTORY AND ALLOWED AND SUPPORTED THE JAILING OF JEWISH AND NONJEWISH
>HISTORIANS DOING NO MORE THAN THEIR JOB BY MAKING AN HONEST EVALUATION OF
>THE HOLOCAUST CLAIMS AS NOT SUPPORTED BY HISTORICAL FACT.
>
>AND IN SO DOING SUPPORTING THE LIES AND PROPAGANDA SPREAD BY ISRAEL AND
>SUPPORTERS WHO ARE NOT EITHER LOYAL CITIZENS OR HONEST MEN/WOMEN.
>
>ALLOWING THESE FRAUDS TO ENJOY A GOOD LIVING WHILE ALLOWING HONEST ACADEMICS
>TO BE PERSECUTED.
>
>WALK OPENLY OVER OUR , I HOPE, STRONGLY HELD BELIEFS OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH
>AND ASSOCIATION. AND RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE NEVER INCORPORATED OR PRACTISED
>IN ANY STATE IN WHICH THEY HAVE HAD A POSITION OF CONTROL.
>
>WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
>Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,imprisoned or both for
>discussing the topics set forth in this article.
>
>Israeli stats
>http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
>
>
>Jews and Palestinians genetically similar.
>http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
>
>War without end
>http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590
>
>
>Yes and you have no quarrel with the US?
>They dont have to, they use their army to shoot, run over and mistreat
>physically and sexually helpless children. What can a Palestinian do when
>the mighty money contributing yanks cannot protect their citizens.
>
>http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
>http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/79400p-72974c.html
>One guy gets 10 years, the other gets a raise and promotion??
>
>And the chimp smirks on
>_ HYPERLINK "http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=26276" __
>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=26276
>
>
>
>http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01AA7ECA-7018-447B-A10D-9E4139D4788A.
>htm
>
>_
>American and Australian shot by Israelis
>Chris McGreal talks to the relatives of three British and American victims
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
>http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
>
>http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html
>http://www.omjp.org/rachelphotos.html
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8853425952359751341&q=Palestinian+p
>eople
>
>
>http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html
>http://www.palestinefacts.org/index.php
>http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-2003112917164320.htm
>http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/IsraelsTortureBan.html
>
>http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0197/9701007.htm
>
>Christian homes being knocked down???
>http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/1607911.php
>
>
>(Wanderer, Oct. 12, 1989, p. 7; National Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5).
>
>Israeli soldiers can beat up a priest on the West Bank, then shoot up his
>church during Mass, and only the Catholic press takes note...If Christians
>had done such a thing to a synagogue, anywhere, it would have been
>front-page news, everywhere. (Wanderer, Oct. 12, 1989, p. 7; National
>Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5).
>
>Farmers harassed and shot in israel
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3757004.stm
>http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=53042
>
>
>Zionist settler deliberately hits and kills Palestinian old man
>http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_3293.shtml
>http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_3396.shtml
>http://judicial-inc.biz/School_shooting.htm
>
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/20deae4bed
>c378ab?q=&rnum=1
>In a letter to the conference host, UNESCO Director-General Koichiro
>Matsuura,
>the protesters said the Wiesenthal center, "under the deceitful cover of the
>struggle against anti-Semitism, is on the contrary encouraging intolerance
>and
>racism in our societies."
>
>Jon and David Kimche
>http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An internal
>June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging support for
>Zionism by the government and the Party as the best way to encourage
>emigration of Germany's Jews to Palestine.
>
>The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German
>offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the
>other Jewish groups  made no effort to influence the United States and the
>32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German
>and Austrian Jews.
>http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Jews-who-helped-nazis-hit
>ler.htm
>
>
>Marlon Brando.
>http://www.theunjustmedia.com/ben%20stein%20on%20jewish%20media%20control.ht
>m
>
>If one wants to exterminate an entire race, one would start with the leaders
>first and
>
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich
>
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim
>Holocaust Calendar
>Jewish dominance
>
>Rabbi to Publish Book on Jewish Supremacy
>... One is Rabbi Saadya Grama, author of an upcoming book "On the Exalted
>Nature of Israel and Understanding ... Written by Rabbi Saadya Grama - an
>alumnus of Beth Medrash Govoha, the ...
>more hits from:
>ttp://atheism.about.com/b/a/057831.htm?terms=published+book  -  25 KB
>
>The Jews declared war against Germany
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
>http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
>
>
>http://www.rense.com/general45/zzo.htm
>The Zionist Jewish Role In  - Causing World War II
>"In 1941, a Jewish writer, Theodor N. Kaufman, wrote Germany Must Perish.
>Kaufman set out a plan for the total destruction of the German population by
>a very simple method: the mass sterilisation of all German men and women
>between the age of puberty and sixty years."
>
>From a pre-1993 edition of John Tyndall's Spearhead magazine
>12-9-3
>
>
>
>http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
>Immediately after Japan declared war on the United States of America, the
>order was issued to round up all Americans of Japanese ancestry and imprison
>them in large camps. A declaration of war entitles any nation to imprison
>its enemy and their sympathizers.
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
>The basic question arises; what were the Germans supposed to do with their
>large Jewish population?
>
>http://www.heretical.com/mkilliam/wwii.html
>That second war was later made certain, not by the intentions of Hitler but
>by the determination of his eternal enemies to destroy the new Germany that
>he had created.
>By the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919 and the Treaty of St. Germain on
>20 September of the same year, the German people were thoroughly humiliated.
>The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, wrote:
>'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and
>jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of
>absolute monarchs.'
>
>
>
>
>http://www.msnbc.com/news/606092.asp?0si=-&cp1=1
>Who has said, America and Israel? I'll pick Israel every time. That is a guy
>who was educated, worked in intelligence in the air force in America
>ALIEN CONTROL
>Is US like Germany of the '30s? Published on Friday, June 11, 2004 by the
>Chicago Sun Times  by Andrew Greeley
>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0611-10.htm
>
>The Daily Mail reported on 10 July 1933:
>'The German nation, moreover, was rapidly falling under the control of its
>alien elements. In the last days of the pre-Hitler regime there were twenty
>times as many Jewish government officials in Germany as had existed before
>the war. Israelites of international attachments were insinuating themselves
>into key positions in the German administrative machine.'
>Resentment and resistance began to build up against the alien horde and in
>the year before Adolf Hitler came to power Bernard Lecache, President of the
>World Jewish League, stated:
>'Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war
>without mercy against her.'
>On that same day, 24 March 1933, on the front page of the London Daily
>Express appeared the main headlines: "Judaea declares war on Germany: Jews
>of all the world unite", and followed with:
>'The Israelite people of the entire world declare economic and financial war
>on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as the symbol of the new Germany
>revives the old war symbol of the Jews. Fourteen million Jews stand as one
>body to declare war on Germany. The Jewish wholesale dealer leaves his
>business, the banker his bank, the shopkeeper his shop, the beggar his
>miserable hut in order to combine forces in the holy war against Hitler's
>people.'
>The German government was removing Jews from influential positions and
>transferring power back to the German people. This declaration of war by the
>Jews on Germany was repeated throughout the world. The first boycott of
>Jewish business concerns came after this Jewish declaration of war in April
>1933.
>
>
>http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/stlouis.html
>
>http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/opposition/cannonfodder.htm
>We implore and beseech our Jewish brethren to realize that the Zionists are
>not the saviours of the Jewish People and guarantors of their safety, but
>rather the instigators and original cause of Jewish suffering in the Holy
>Land and worldwide.
>
>
>http://www.aldeilis.net/zion/zionhol01.html
>
>The Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a
>tiny minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to
>represent the Jews of the Reich.
>The best example of this was the 'Transfer Agreement' of 1934. Immediately
>after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were
>organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi
>regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling
>the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
>out, the campaign would collapse.
>This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as
>early as 21.6.33, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the
>two organisations on the questions of race, nation, and the nature of the
>'Jewish problem', and it offered to collaborate with the new regime:
>
>In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the
>Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act
>was the signature of the 'Transfer Agreement' with the Nazi authorities
>during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed
>to get Germany's Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It
>provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property
>out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
>right was denied to Jews leaving for any other destination (emphasis - ED).
>The Zionist Organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
>organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts 'helping' Jews
>to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German
>goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the
>regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies,
>the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now
>the Jews come and agree with them.
>
>After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist
>Organisation found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and
>import their goods, who could argue for a boycott? This was not the first
>time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German
>public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish
>Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to
>Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
>Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of
>favourable articles in Der Sturmer describing the 'new Jew' of Zionism, a
>Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The declared enemy was now right in the middle of their country. Bankers,
>industrialists, media moguls, movie producers, merchants, and others,
>overnight became enemies of Germany.
>No nation in the world would have allowed their declared enemies to freely
>roam around the country. The Germans, however, never implemented measures
>against the Jews as drastic as the United States did with their Japanese
>citizens.
>
>http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
>
>thousands of Jews were not bothered by the Nazis or by the fate of their
>"convicted" co-religionists. They went on with their daily lives in Germany
>while the world was running amok about the "harsh treatment of Jews in
>Germany." To illustrate the true "fate of the Jews," one has to look at some
>of the prominent Jewish leaders living in Germany at the time.
>These are very important questions, because so many prominent Jews survived
>the alleged Holocaust. Simon Wiesenthal, Eli Wiesel, Leo Baeck, Max
>Nussbaum, and so many more like them. As a matter of fact, approximately 4.5
>million Jews "survived."
>
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich, the land of concentration
>camps and "gas chambers," with all the other 300,000 German Jews who were
>allowed to leave for more lucrative lands?
>
>
>By all accounts, Rabbi Dr. Leo Baeck must have had a very comfortable
>existence under the National Socialist Government in Germany. Born in 1873
>in Posen, he became a Rabbi in 1897 in Oppeln/Silesia. Interestingly, he was
>a Rabbi in Berlin from 1912 until 1943, when he himself was interned at the
>Theresienstadt camp, a camp where most of the prominent Jews and resistance
>activists were housed. After the war Leo Baeck immigrated to England.
>
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich, the land of concentration
>camps and "gas chambers," with all the other 300,000 German Jews who were
>allowed to leave for more lucrative lands?
>
>Another question should be put to all those false Holocaust "experts" by
>asking them how many Jews were gassed in Dachau? As a matter of fact, no one
>was ever "gassed" in Germany, or in territories under German control, as has
>been established in court
>
>In Schuld und Schicksal (Guilt and Fate) Burg dealt with the Warsaw and Lodz
>ghettos. When the German troops occupied Warsaw, they wanted to concentrate
>the Jewish population. Real ghettos had been there for centuries but the
>assimilated or emancipated Jews had lived far way from the ghettos. Now the
>Germans wanted to have the Jews all together. In a practical sense, the
>ghetto was also organized for the protection of the Jewish population.
>(26-6885, 6886)
>The Zionists were happy with this arrangement. An appointed Jewish Council
>was the governing body of the ghetto. They had their own police, jails and
>everything else. Naturally, there were some who were cruel. One of these was
>the vice president of the police, who was later executed. In Burg's eyes,
>this execution was evidence that Jews defended themselves against the
>minority of Zionists who were using the majority of Jews for their own
>purposes. (26-6886, 6887)
>
>Then, when hundreds of thousands of civilians died in massive Allied bombing
>raids against German civilians ... and only then ... Rabbi Baeck got out.
>And where did he go? To Theresienstadt, because the concentration camp was
>never bombed by the Allies, and was the safest place for a Jew to be.
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich, the land of concentration
>camps and "gas chambers," with all the other 300,000 German Jews who were
>allowed to leave for more lucrative lands?
>It must have been relatively easy to leave Germany. Max Nussbaum, Chief
>Rabbi of Berlin until 1940 (who later became Chief Rabbi of Beverly Hills,
>CA), immigrated to New York at the advice of Rabbi Stephen Wise. Did Rabbi
>Wise already know of the coming war between the United States and Germany in
>1940?
>One must assume that Rabbi Baeck knew about Rabbi Nussbaum's plan to move to
>New York, but again Baeck remained in Berlin. A riddle to be sure, unless
>the horrors of Nazism were not that horrible for the Jews after all.
>Ø > IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered
>all
>> > European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their
>property
>> > in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
>> > a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine;<
>
>YES THAT OFFER WAS MADE. THE JEWS CAN THANK THE ZIONISTS WHO DECLINED FOR
>THEIR VARIOUS REASONS.
>Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many
>Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the
>scoundrel who founded Zionism
>http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm
>The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German
>offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the
>other Jewish groups  made no effort to influence the United States and the
>32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German
>and Austrian Jews.
>http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Jews-who-helped-nazis-hit
>ler.htm
>Ø
>
>
>
>By Max Hastings
>
>LONDON: Whatever the outcome of the current Palestinian chaos, meaningful
>negotiations with Israel seem unlikely. The most plausible scenario is that
>Ehud Olmert will proceed unilaterally to draw new boundaries for his
>country, which will absorb significant Palestinian land, and
>institutionalise such dominance of the West Bank as to make a Palestinian
>state unworkable.
>
>If this is the future, it is likely to yield fruits as bitter for Israelis
>as for Palestinians. The world, far from becoming more willing to acquiesce
>in Israel's expansion, is becoming less so. The generation of European
>non-Jews for whom the Holocaust is a seminal memory is dying. With them
>perishes much vicarious guilt.
>
>Younger Europeans, not to mention the rest of the world, are more sceptical
>about Israel's territorial claims. They are less susceptible to moral
>arguments about redress for past horrors, which have underpinned Israeli
>actions for almost 60 years. We may hope that it will never become
>respectable to be anti-semitic.
>
>However, Israel is discovering that it can no longer frighten non-Jews out
>of opposing its policies merely by accusing them of anti-semitism.
>
>There is also evidence of growing disenchantment with Israel in the Jewish
>diaspora. Feelings have changed since 1948 and the days when Jews around the
>world thought it a duty to support "their" nation in the promised land right
>or wrong, in good times or bad. David Goldberg, the former rabbi of the
>Liberal Jewish Synagogue in London, has just published a book that will
>rouse plenty of wrath in Israel. Entitled The Divided Self, its theme is
>that in modern times the Jews of the diaspora have preserved the honour and
>heritage of the Jewish people far more convincingly than Israel's citizens.
>
>Goldberg, whom I should acknowledge as a friend, rejects the Zionist conceit
>that the only proper place for Jews is in Israel. He discerns an unhealthy
>artificiality about the society constructed beside the Mediterranean since
>1948: "to assert itself, it must be rigid and inflexible". He notes that
>while genealogy has become a popular enthusiasm of diaspora Jews, Israelis
>prefer archaeology, "pursuing the distant past to authenticate an ancient
>connection with the land" in the absence of any more recent claim.
>
>He tells a good story of returning on a boat from Israel to Marseilles in
>1958, after a stint on a kibbutz. His efforts to make headway with pretty
>blond American passengers were thwarted by the presence of a tanned,
>muscular Israeli paratrooper, who effortlessly cut him out. When the boat
>stopped at Naples, this hero of Sinai announced that he was off to buy a
>watch. Beware of fakes, advised Goldberg, magnanimous in sexual defeat. The
>soldier ignored him, and was later seen hurling a worthless purchase into
>the sea.
>
>If we were talking about Christians here, it might be called a parable.
>Goldberg believes that Israel has allowed military prowess to blind it to
>wisdom: "the Jewish fox knows many things, the Jewish hedgehog only one big
>thing". Or you may prefer a Talmudic saying: "better a live dog than a dead
>lion".
>
>Goldberg defines the virtues of diaspora Jews, "adapting to novel
>circumstances and responding to changing times", in terms that would rouse
>the contempt of many Israelis. "Two thousand years of powerlessness have
>honed the antennae to detect where self-interest lies, what is on or not on
>... The experience ... of learning to live circumspectly among more numerous
>and powerful neighbours is a surer guarantee of survival than the
>triumphalist illusions of a mere 50-odd years of statehood."
>
>Some Israelis would say that this is the language of the ghetto, reflecting
>a willingness to defer, even to cringe; of exactly the kind their state was
>created to remove from the Jewish psyche.
>
>Yet Goldberg's book reflects a declining willingness among many diaspora
>Jews to write blank cheques for Israel, either literally or figuratively.
>
>It is a painful experience for some Jews who achieve good and even great
>things in their own societies to find themselves cast as sin-eaters for the
>Jewish state.
>
>Most are reluctant to speak out as frankly against Israel's West Bank
>policies as Goldberg has, and as did the late and great Rabbi John Rayner,
>who came here from Germany with the kindertransport. But with each
>generation the emotional distance between Israel and the diaspora is
>growing.-Dawn/The Guardian News Service
>
>
>



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Do you really expect idiots in the uSA to pay $155 for an atlas of
Russian cities?
He must be smoking that funny green stuff again.....


On 2 Jun 2006 01:53:43 -0700, "hamilton"  wrote:

>June 2, 2006
>
>Dear colleague,
>
>Subject:  New CD-ROM Atlases from Russia
>
>Hamilton Global Management now has available new CD-ROM atlases from
>Russia.
>The atlases cover 120 major cities in Russia (street atlases); all
>oblasts,
>krays, and republics in Russia; and all countries of the CIS.  Each
>atlas
>shows great detail and includes informative gazeteers of streets,
>towns,
>roads, rivers, industrial plants, and more.
>
>The atlases were produced in Russia.  The atlases operate in English,
>and
>the maps use the English alphabet.  The maps also display the exact
>longitude
>and latitude of any point or object.
>
>The new atlases run right from the CD-ROM disks, requiring no
>installation.
>They are compatible with Windows 98SE, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.
>
>Hamilton Global Management invites all interested persons to visit its
>new
>atlas Web site at
>
>http://www.mdres.com/atlascatalog/
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>David C. Andresen
>Vice-President



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Subject: Re: "Moscow is not Sodom!" Faggots Only Good for Incineration!
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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Subject: Re: New CD-ROM Atlases from Russia
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Do you really expect idiots in the uSA to pay $155 for an atlas of
Russian cities?
He must be smoking that funny green stuff again.....


On 2 Jun 2006 01:53:43 -0700, "hamilton"  wrote:

>June 2, 2006
>
>Dear colleague,
>
>Subject:  New CD-ROM Atlases from Russia
>
>Hamilton Global Management now has available new CD-ROM atlases from
>Russia.
>The atlases cover 120 major cities in Russia (street atlases); all
>oblasts,
>krays, and republics in Russia; and all countries of the CIS.  Each
>atlas
>shows great detail and includes informative gazeteers of streets,
>towns,
>roads, rivers, industrial plants, and more.
>
>The atlases were produced in Russia.  The atlases operate in English,
>and
>the maps use the English alphabet.  The maps also display the exact
>longitude
>and latitude of any point or object.
>
>The new atlases run right from the CD-ROM disks, requiring no
>installation.
>They are compatible with Windows 98SE, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.
>
>Hamilton Global Management invites all interested persons to visit its
>new
>atlas Web site at
>
>http://www.mdres.com/atlascatalog/
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>David C. Andresen
>Vice-President



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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Why so many ZYDS involved?
Notice that Bronfmans managed to keep their names out of news story,
even though involved.


On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:37:08 +0200, "brat_olin" 
wrote:

>Kto to jest ten Joseph Retinger z Polski??
>
>AFP:  World's who's who hold secret talks in Ottawa
>Jun 09
>
>The world's political elite, top thinkers and powerful business folk 
>gathered here for an annual, ultra-secretive Bilderberg conference as heavy 
>security kept conspiracy theorists and curious onlookers at bay.
>
>Global luminaries such as former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, US 
>banker David Rockefeller and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands were greeted 
>at the airport by limousine drivers holding single-letter "B" signs late 
>Thursday, said local reports.
>
>They were quickly whisked away to the Brookstreet Hotel in a serene suburb 
>of Ottawa for three-day talks on oil markets, security concerns tied to 
>Iran's nuclear ambitions, terrorism, and immigration, the Ottawa Citizen 
>reported.
>
>Conspiracy theorists who follow the group accuse it of plotting world 
>domination at its informal annual gatherings.
>
>But, Richard Perle, former US defence policy advisor, upon his arrival in 
>Ottawa, denied allegations the group crafts public policy behind closed 
>doors. "It discusses public policy," he stressed to a Citizen reporter.
>
>A statement from the group said the meetings were private to encourage 
>"frank and open discussions."
>
>But skeptic Daniel Estulin, who flew from Spain to try to cover the 
>conference, said their intent is to "create a world government ruled by an 
>elite group of people whose main objective is to control all the natural 
>resources on the planet."
>
>Another local observer commented to the Citizen: "There are all sorts of 
>gaps in what politicians say and do. This is just another example of the 
>circumventing of the democratic process."
>The talks are by invitation-only. Because discussions are off-the-record, 
>the group has been subject to similar criticisms and speculation about its 
>intentions since 1954 when the first conference was held at the Hotel de 
>Bilderberg in the Netherlands.
>
>Several sources say Poland's Joseph Retinger, former Belgian prime minister 
>Paul van Zeeland, and former Unilever chief executive Paul Rijkens organized 
>the first meeting to unite European and US elites amid growing 
>cross-Atlantic tensions a half-century ago.
>
>Its success spawned similar talks at posh hotels and palaces in Europe, the 
>United States and Canada each year since.
>
>Other attendees seen arriving in Ottawa on Thursday included former Canadian 
>ambassador to Washington Frank McKenna, Royal Dutch Shell chairman Jorma 
>Ollila, former World Bank president James Wolfenson and Scandinavian 
>Airlines chairman Egil Myklebust, according to reports.
>
>Former New York governor George Pataki, Iraq's deputy prime minister Ahmad 
>Chalabi, the heads of Coca-Cola, Credit Suisse, the Royal Bank of Canada, 
>several media moguls, and cabinet ministers from Spain and Greece, were also 
>expected to attend. 
>



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On 11 May 2006 16:07:44 -0000, Ken Lewis  wrote:

>Doesn't the Constitution protect the freedom of the press, as well as freedom
>of expression?

>On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:29:50 GMT, "Constitutional Rights" 
>wrote:

>>It is illegal to post anyone's personal information on a newsgroup.

>Under what statute?

>JEFFREY G. BROWN
>8357 SUMMITRIDGE
>CINCINNATI OH 45255
>alphageek@GEEKMAN.COM
>Tel: 513-474-1953
>Fax: 513-474-9678

>Name  BROWN,JEFFREY G
>Driver License Number RJ339222
>Address 8357 SUMMITRIDGE
>City/State/Zip CINCINNATI OH 45255
>Sex Homo
>Dob Mar 13 1955
>Height 604
>Weight 245
>Eyes BLU
>Hair BRO

>SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 282-58-6925

>BANK ACCOUNTS AND ACCOUNT NUMBERS
>PNG BANK NATIONAL 4006-470-124    $1863.99
>                  4001-914-361       31.63
>                  4000-80-236      1363.58
>PUTNAM INVESTMENTS                26320.33

>EMPLOYER
>SIEMENS INTERNATIONAL
>4620 FOREST AVENUE
>CINCINNATI, OHIO 45237


>It seems that the Christkiller ZHIDS do not like having done to them, what
>they have consistently done to their critics, to the point where their critics
>mysteriously get fire-bombed!!


>On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:00:11 +0000, Leo Fellmann  wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:29:50 GMT, "Constitutional Rights" 
>>> wrote:

>>>>It is illegal to post anyone's personal information on a newsgroup.

>>> Under what statute?

>>The world is not the USA. In many, many countries posting personal
>>information  such as he did without consent would be illegal under data
>>protection laws.



>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant




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On 22 Apr 2006 18:33:48 -0000, Ken Lewis  wrote:
>On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:10:16 GMT,  flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>On  3-Dec-2005, "Ted"  wrote:
>>> The Re'evd wrote:
>>> > Suzy "convert" Cohen must have you killfiled, cunt.
>>> > She *insists* that people are only posting "Alex's" business address!

>>> OK, whatever.

>>Actually, this is just another lie of the self-proclaimed cunt who
>>calls himself "Rev" etc.
>>I only said no one did this *when* no one *had* done this.
>>He has since pretended that I said no one had done this *ever*.
>>It was HIS pretending that he had found MY home address
>>that nmade everyone post Seredin's - but
>>I wish they had posted the phony rev's - all we have so far
>>is Gordon Radavich

>AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE ON YOU SUSAN E COHEN OF SILVER SPRING, MD

>AS HAS BEEN POSTED BY ANOTHER PARTY

>>> GARY A RUMAIN      Born  1964
>>> 8112 GROVE ST
>>> SILVER SPRING, MD   (301) 565-9746

>>> SUSAN E COHEN      Born  Nov 1962
>>> 8112 GROVE ST
>>> SILVER SPRING, MD  (301) 565-9746

>>> zenda@smart.net (Gary Rumain)

>>Thanks for showing yet again that you will trust anything you read,
>>and that you will change your "mind" at the first sign of something
>>different than the last thing you saw.

>>Susan

>You look very stupid in your denial of the facts Susan. You have been
>successfully outed so live with it.

>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:02:03 GMT, <%bTjf.9769$AB2.6571@trnddc08>
>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

>>And you wonder why you liars get called stupid.

>I saw no lie. Where was the lie? For the fun or it I checked it out and it is
>all true.

>>http://www.zabasearch.com/

>Using the above search I found the following also.

>>GARY A RUMAIN      Born  1964
>>8112 GROVE ST
>>SILVER SPRING, MD   (301) 565-9746

>>SUSAN E COHEN      Born  Nov 1962
>>8112 GROVE ST
>>SILVER SPRING, MD  (301) 565-9746

>http://www.infospace.com/home/white-pages/reverse-phone
>A reverse trace of the above telephone number shows:

>Gary Rumain
>8112 Grove St
>Silver Spring, MD 20910-4758
>Add to Outlook 301-565-9746
>http://kevdb.infospace.com/home/white-pages/kevdb?showrec=46587777:res-us&OTMPL=/white-pages/details.htm&QN=Rumain&QF=Gary&QC=Silver%20Spring&QS=MD&wqp=1&qsubcat=singlematch
>The above long link as a TinyURL:
>http://tinyurl.com/a74xw

>They even show a map of how to get to your house. Care to remain in denial
>Susan E Cohen?

>You made the post below did you not? You admitted Gary Rumain is your husband
>did you not?

>http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.scottish/msg/5a65b7eefb1e7400
>(Archived locally as: GaryAndSusan_1)

>>zenda@smart.net (Gary Rumain)
>>Re: Bruneian Royal Harem: "Harem Scare 'Em?" Dateline NBC 9/23/97
>>1997/10/05
>><617cpg$p9a$14@news.smart.net>

>>In alt.talk.royalty Yet Another Steve  wrote:
>>: In article <60snlk$hlc$9@news.smart.net>, zenda@smart.net (Gary Rumain) wrote:

>>: Okay, you've managed to confuse me now, too.  You post under the name
>>: "Gary Rumain" and sign your postings "Susan Cohen."  Is this an instance
>>: of someone "hiding his/her identity" as well?

>>No. If I wanted to hide my identity, would I sign each & every post with
>>my name? We haven't been able to change the post-name so it includes mine
>>as well as my husband's. However, I was under the impression that this was
>>a common enough occurence on Usenet.

>>And, the "anonymity" to which I referred was the fact that, while mine is
>>genuine, the original poster's was a false e-mail address. You can reach
>>me at zenda@smart.net any time you feel like tyoing. There was no way to
>>reach the original poster. I find that very suspicious, if only because
>>it is a perennial practise of the worst trolls.
>
>>Susan Cohen
>
>
>SUSAN STILL TRYING TO GET THE ADDRESS OF HER OPPONENT
>
>>All the search engines the bigots use (which I never knew of
>>until THEY posted about them - such idiots! -) are centered
>>in the US.
>
>>Susan

>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant

>Posted by:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>Henry
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
>and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
>Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the like.
>



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:37:16 -0700, Frank Arthur 
wrote:

NOTE:  Do not print this out if you reside in  Austria;
Belgium; France; Germany; Israel; Spain or Switzerland.

WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,
imprisoned or both for discussing the topics set
forth in this article.

From: hoaxbuster 
Newsgroups: de.soc.politik.misc
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 04:28:15 -0700

Die Holocaust Geschichte ist ein Schwindel weil niemand
vergasst wurde. Von den angeblichen ermordeten 6 millionen
Juden, mehr als zwei millionen wurden angeblich mit
Dieselauspuff umgebracht-  -dass ist technisch absurd.

Zur gleichen Zeit hatte man ungefaehr 500,000 Holzgas-lastwagen
auf den Strassen. Holzgas is Giftgas mit mehr as 20%
Kohlenmonoxid--bis auf 35%--und ist sehr toedlich. Es waere
ideal gewesen fuer Massenmord. Aber dieser Mittel wurde
angeblich nie benutzt fuer Mord--nur viele Todesfaelle durch
Unglueck. Diesel Auspuff enthaelt weniger als 0.4% und dass
nur mit hoher Belasting am Diesel--im Leerlauf enthaelt Diesel
Auspuff weniger als 0.1% CO und 18% Sauerstoff.

Um eine schwere Belastung zu erreichen muss mann etwas
ankuppeln zum Diesel--ein grosses Geblaese, oder eine schwere
Pumpe, oder ein Generator, oder etwas.  Nur in "Neutral" oder
Leerlauf oder schneller Leerlauf, oder mit nur eine kleine
Belastung waere eine Vegasung in eine halbe Stunde mit
Dieselauspuff voellig unmoeglich.

Kurz gesagt: Obwohl Dieselauspuff ideal zum foltern waere,
es ist Absurd fuer Massenmord--und so ist die Holocaust
Geschichte auch!!

Noch zum Thema in grossen: es gibt heute zwischen eine
halben Million und eine Million juedische Holocaustueberlebende
und das fuenfzig Jahre nach dem Krieg.  Die wollen alle natuerlich
viel Geld und ihre Haend kann mann heute gut zaehlen:  300,000
in Israel, 500,000 in Amerika usw.  Wem hat Hitler angeblich
umgebracht wenn es so viele Ueberlebende gibt?

FPBerg


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Ken McVay invites callers to his homosexuals escorts office:
1-250-616-9431
Or, VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natvan.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay rot in hell.

In the USA there is Freedom of Speech, guaranteed by the Constitution.
Unlike some countries in Europe, under the ZHID control!!




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Now there are at least another 50 documented cases like KASTNER, and
RUMKOWSKI!!
The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS!!

Even the notorious Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to have been a nazi
GESTAPO  COLLABORATOR!!


On 24 Oct 2004 17:22:19 -0000, DerStuermer  wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>Date: 1997/07/12

>The Kastner Case
>-----------------

>Introduction

>Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of all
>and will show that on this question 'The documentation available is
>overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine Speaks
>claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly the
>most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist collaboration
>broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first, and in greater detail.
>
>Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some books
>in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its case appears
>strongest, and on the points to which it has given greatest emphasis,we
>hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that things are not quite
>what they may have appeared before this inquiry began.
>
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>rehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>3CR for anti-semitism.
>
>It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>what Kastner was accused of.
>
>This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works dealing
>with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart from 3CR, the
>suppression of information has been so complete, that even an expert
>like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on the matter, has
>been unable to find out what it is all about.
>
>The Accusations
>----------------
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald,
>he wrote:
>
>'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives with
>the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council
>which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at
>Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics
>of the exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me when I
>escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks
>notice that Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there.
>
>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany collapsed,
>to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit. pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation,
>I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a
>few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>not too high for me.
>
>.We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case
>and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid, p.26ö-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is the term
>that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had known what the
>accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR saying 'In these
>circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious and absurd'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>The Verdict
>------------
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on 3CR,
>has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to the Jewish
>community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to promote racism,
>in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>
>It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information can
>backfire on the censors themselves.
>
>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:
>
>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead
>the Jews.
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower
>these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to
>the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their community
>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council
>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>expensively if honorably guided.
>
>Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority
>of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the
>agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the
>Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of
>Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated quickly
>to another."
>
>(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>General
>v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, 1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>
>"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he concealed
>the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>remove Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment
>the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were
>sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that there
>was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal.
>Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." (ibid)
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproven
>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>
>Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>matter.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
>
>The Reaction
>-------------
>Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.
>
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>
>In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>
>"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>
>*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>
>"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>defense." (23 June 1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>libel.
>
>As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>*Ma'ariv*:
>
>"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>of our history!
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24 June 1955)
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand here
>as a private individual. He was a recognized representative, official or
>non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in Palestine and of the
>Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court to defend the
>representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the
>name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>rehabilitated'.
>
>The Majority Judgement
>-------------------------
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and convicted
>Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>
>In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>totally missing the point.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>Kastner.
>They JOINED him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying,
>'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which on can
>properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>.And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration and
>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>his efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>disclose the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>with the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>his findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>at.
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>hour of crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>warn and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>train for Palestine.
>
>The Minority Judgement
>--------------------------
>It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority judgement of
>Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>
>"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret of the
>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews,
>even though, in fact, he brought about its result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from
>the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>able to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money,
>bribery, etc - and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds
>of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>he decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>of the last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>the countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>the news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>activity.
>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder.
>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>evidence for this.
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great
>war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>is attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>retroactive light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>Conclusion
>-----------
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the 'dragging in
>of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi relationships'.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds of
>'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that they
>were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on
>the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it, 'now dead'. Or
>putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>secret service.
>(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>admitted in court during the murder trial).
>
>Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many people
>have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is whether,
>if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many more could
>have been saved, and whether this is not an essential future consideration,
>at least as an insurance policy.
>
>The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the Nazis
>and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had not
>existed.
>Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>insurance policy, is like using petro for a fire extinguisher.
>
>Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>
>We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Elias Davidsson - Oldugata 50 - 101 Reykjavik - Iceland
>Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
>Email: edavid@itn.is     URL:  http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid


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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:21:14 GMT, "princeandy"  wrote:

>WHAT DOUBTS????
>
>>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:
>>
>>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead
>>the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>of Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>hampering the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower
>>these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to
>>the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community
>>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council
>>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing
>the
>>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>>ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>>expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>>Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>>exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>task easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>>the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>>Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>majority
>>of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in
>the
>>agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division
>of
>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the
>>Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of
>>Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.
>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was
>that
>>Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other
>camp
>>and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>from the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>to evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated quickly
>>to another."
>>
>>(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>>General
>>v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, 1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>remove Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>
>"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message
>news:9Zamg.4103$DI2.3584@trnddc05...
>Europe doubts Israel's claims
>
>THERE IS NO DOBT THE ONLY DOUBT IS WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THE WHOLE MESS? DID
>THE JEWS/ZIONISTS CAUSE THE WHOLE MESS AND THEN SUFFER THE FAITH OF BEINGING
>IMPRISONED WHEN THE WHOLE POPULATION WAS STARVING.
>AS THE ALLIED  WINNERS THEMSELVES WERE ON SEVERE RATIONING, WHICH WAS A GOOD
>THING FOR SOME COUNTRIES WHERE HEART AND OTHER PROBLEMS INDUCED BY SMOKING
>AND OVER EATING WERE DOWN DURING WAR YEARS.
>
>
>
>TIME ACADEMICS STOPPED  JEWS AND SUPPORTERS TO ENJOYING  A GOOD LIVING  ON
>LIES AND DISHONEST PRACTICES IN CORRUPTING OUR HISTORY WHILE SUPPORTING THE
>JAILING OF  HONEST ACADEMICS TRYING TO PRESENT AND INCORPORATE THE TRUTH IN
>WHAT IS MAINLY OUR HISTORY OF WWII AND NOT THE SOLE PROPERTY OF THE
>JEWQW/ZIONIST/ISRAELI CLIQUE TO USE TO SUPPORT FURTHER LIES AND
>MISREPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE PRACTICES OF THE ZIONISTS AND SAME GROUP WHO
>ARE IN POWER IN ISRAEL.
>
>"Yisroel Markov"  wrote in message
>news:c58u72tfjrt2dafgrbko9qs33rutp5jh5h@4ax.com...
>> UK to Israeli Profs: Class Dismissed
>> ------------------------------------
>> The weird movement to boycott Israeli academics
>> By Ari Paul
>
>NOTHING WEIRD , THE WEIRD IS THE STANDING BACK AND ACTUALLY ALLOWING THE
>PAMPERED AND EGOTISTICAL JEWISH/ZIONIST/ISRAELI ACADEMICS BLUFF THEM INTO
>NOT CONTRADICTING ALL THE LIES THEY HAVE ACTUALLY MADE A PART OF WWII
>HISTORY AND ALLOWED AND SUPPORTED THE JAILING OF JEWISH AND NONJEWISH
>HISTORIANS DOING NO MORE THAN THEIR JOB BY MAKING AN HONEST EVALUATION OF
>THE HOLOCAUST CLAIMS AS NOT SUPPORTED BY HISTORICAL FACT.
>
>AND IN SO DOING SUPPORTING THE LIES AND PROPAGANDA SPREAD BY ISRAEL AND
>SUPPORTERS WHO ARE NOT EITHER LOYAL CITIZENS OR HONEST MEN/WOMEN.
>
>ALLOWING THESE FRAUDS TO ENJOY A GOOD LIVING WHILE ALLOWING HONEST ACADEMICS
>TO BE PERSECUTED.
>
>WALK OPENLY OVER OUR , I HOPE, STRONGLY HELD BELIEFS OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH
>AND ASSOCIATION. AND RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE NEVER INCORPORATED OR PRACTISED
>IN ANY STATE IN WHICH THEY HAVE HAD A POSITION OF CONTROL.
>
>WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
>Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,imprisoned or both for
>discussing the topics set forth in this article.
>
>Israeli stats
>http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
>
>
>Jews and Palestinians genetically similar.
>http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
>
>War without end
>http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590
>
>
>Yes and you have no quarrel with the US?
>They dont have to, they use their army to shoot, run over and mistreat
>physically and sexually helpless children. What can a Palestinian do when
>the mighty money contributing yanks cannot protect their citizens.
>
>http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
>http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/79400p-72974c.html
>One guy gets 10 years, the other gets a raise and promotion??
>
>And the chimp smirks on
>_ HYPERLINK "http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=26276" __
>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=26276
>
>
>
>http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01AA7ECA-7018-447B-A10D-9E4139D4788A.
>htm
>
>_
>American and Australian shot by Israelis
>Chris McGreal talks to the relatives of three British and American victims
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
>http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
>
>http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html
>http://www.omjp.org/rachelphotos.html
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8853425952359751341&q=Palestinian+p
>eople
>
>
>http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html
>http://www.palestinefacts.org/index.php
>http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-2003112917164320.htm
>http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/IsraelsTortureBan.html
>
>http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0197/9701007.htm
>
>Christian homes being knocked down???
>http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/1607911.php
>
>
>(Wanderer, Oct. 12, 1989, p. 7; National Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5).
>
>Israeli soldiers can beat up a priest on the West Bank, then shoot up his
>church during Mass, and only the Catholic press takes note...If Christians
>had done such a thing to a synagogue, anywhere, it would have been
>front-page news, everywhere. (Wanderer, Oct. 12, 1989, p. 7; National
>Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5).
>
>Farmers harassed and shot in israel
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3757004.stm
>http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=53042
>
>
>Zionist settler deliberately hits and kills Palestinian old man
>http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_3293.shtml
>http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_3396.shtml
>http://judicial-inc.biz/School_shooting.htm
>
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/20deae4bed
>c378ab?q=&rnum=1
>In a letter to the conference host, UNESCO Director-General Koichiro
>Matsuura,
>the protesters said the Wiesenthal center, "under the deceitful cover of the
>struggle against anti-Semitism, is on the contrary encouraging intolerance
>and
>racism in our societies."
>
>Jon and David Kimche
>http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An internal
>June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging support for
>Zionism by the government and the Party as the best way to encourage
>emigration of Germany's Jews to Palestine.
>
>The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German
>offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the
>other Jewish groups  made no effort to influence the United States and the
>32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German
>and Austrian Jews.
>http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Jews-who-helped-nazis-hit
>ler.htm
>
>
>Marlon Brando.
>http://www.theunjustmedia.com/ben%20stein%20on%20jewish%20media%20control.ht
>m
>
>If one wants to exterminate an entire race, one would start with the leaders
>first and
>
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich
>
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim
>Holocaust Calendar
>Jewish dominance
>
>Rabbi to Publish Book on Jewish Supremacy
>... One is Rabbi Saadya Grama, author of an upcoming book "On the Exalted
>Nature of Israel and Understanding ... Written by Rabbi Saadya Grama - an
>alumnus of Beth Medrash Govoha, the ...
>more hits from:
>ttp://atheism.about.com/b/a/057831.htm?terms=published+book  -  25 KB
>
>The Jews declared war against Germany
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
>http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
>
>
>http://www.rense.com/general45/zzo.htm
>The Zionist Jewish Role In  - Causing World War II
>"In 1941, a Jewish writer, Theodor N. Kaufman, wrote Germany Must Perish.
>Kaufman set out a plan for the total destruction of the German population by
>a very simple method: the mass sterilisation of all German men and women
>between the age of puberty and sixty years."
>
>From a pre-1993 edition of John Tyndall's Spearhead magazine
>12-9-3
>
>
>
>http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
>Immediately after Japan declared war on the United States of America, the
>order was issued to round up all Americans of Japanese ancestry and imprison
>them in large camps. A declaration of war entitles any nation to imprison
>its enemy and their sympathizers.
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
>The basic question arises; what were the Germans supposed to do with their
>large Jewish population?
>
>http://www.heretical.com/mkilliam/wwii.html
>That second war was later made certain, not by the intentions of Hitler but
>by the determination of his eternal enemies to destroy the new Germany that
>he had created.
>By the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919 and the Treaty of St. Germain on
>20 September of the same year, the German people were thoroughly humiliated.
>The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, wrote:
>'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and
>jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of
>absolute monarchs.'
>
>
>
>
>http://www.msnbc.com/news/606092.asp?0si=-&cp1=1
>Who has said, America and Israel? I'll pick Israel every time. That is a guy
>who was educated, worked in intelligence in the air force in America
>ALIEN CONTROL
>Is US like Germany of the '30s? Published on Friday, June 11, 2004 by the
>Chicago Sun Times  by Andrew Greeley
>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0611-10.htm
>
>The Daily Mail reported on 10 July 1933:
>'The German nation, moreover, was rapidly falling under the control of its
>alien elements. In the last days of the pre-Hitler regime there were twenty
>times as many Jewish government officials in Germany as had existed before
>the war. Israelites of international attachments were insinuating themselves
>into key positions in the German administrative machine.'
>Resentment and resistance began to build up against the alien horde and in
>the year before Adolf Hitler came to power Bernard Lecache, President of the
>World Jewish League, stated:
>'Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war
>without mercy against her.'
>On that same day, 24 March 1933, on the front page of the London Daily
>Express appeared the main headlines: "Judaea declares war on Germany: Jews
>of all the world unite", and followed with:
>'The Israelite people of the entire world declare economic and financial war
>on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as the symbol of the new Germany
>revives the old war symbol of the Jews. Fourteen million Jews stand as one
>body to declare war on Germany. The Jewish wholesale dealer leaves his
>business, the banker his bank, the shopkeeper his shop, the beggar his
>miserable hut in order to combine forces in the holy war against Hitler's
>people.'
>The German government was removing Jews from influential positions and
>transferring power back to the German people. This declaration of war by the
>Jews on Germany was repeated throughout the world. The first boycott of
>Jewish business concerns came after this Jewish declaration of war in April
>1933.
>
>
>http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/stlouis.html
>
>http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/opposition/cannonfodder.htm
>We implore and beseech our Jewish brethren to realize that the Zionists are
>not the saviours of the Jewish People and guarantors of their safety, but
>rather the instigators and original cause of Jewish suffering in the Holy
>Land and worldwide.
>
>
>http://www.aldeilis.net/zion/zionhol01.html
>
>The Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a
>tiny minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to
>represent the Jews of the Reich.
>The best example of this was the 'Transfer Agreement' of 1934. Immediately
>after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were
>organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi
>regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling
>the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
>out, the campaign would collapse.
>This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as
>early as 21.6.33, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the
>two organisations on the questions of race, nation, and the nature of the
>'Jewish problem', and it offered to collaborate with the new regime:
>
>In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the
>Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act
>was the signature of the 'Transfer Agreement' with the Nazi authorities
>during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed
>to get Germany's Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It
>provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property
>out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
>right was denied to Jews leaving for any other destination (emphasis - ED).
>The Zionist Organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
>organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts 'helping' Jews
>to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German
>goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the
>regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies,
>the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now
>the Jews come and agree with them.
>
>After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist
>Organisation found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and
>import their goods, who could argue for a boycott? This was not the first
>time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German
>public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish
>Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to
>Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
>Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of
>favourable articles in Der Sturmer describing the 'new Jew' of Zionism, a
>Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The declared enemy was now right in the middle of their country. Bankers,
>industrialists, media moguls, movie producers, merchants, and others,
>overnight became enemies of Germany.
>No nation in the world would have allowed their declared enemies to freely
>roam around the country. The Germans, however, never implemented measures
>against the Jews as drastic as the United States did with their Japanese
>citizens.
>
>http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
>On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
>Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
>
>thousands of Jews were not bothered by the Nazis or by the fate of their
>"convicted" co-religionists. They went on with their daily lives in Germany
>while the world was running amok about the "harsh treatment of Jews in
>Germany." To illustrate the true "fate of the Jews," one has to look at some
>of the prominent Jewish leaders living in Germany at the time.
>These are very important questions, because so many prominent Jews survived
>the alleged Holocaust. Simon Wiesenthal, Eli Wiesel, Leo Baeck, Max
>Nussbaum, and so many more like them. As a matter of fact, approximately 4.5
>million Jews "survived."
>
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich, the land of concentration
>camps and "gas chambers," with all the other 300,000 German Jews who were
>allowed to leave for more lucrative lands?
>
>
>By all accounts, Rabbi Dr. Leo Baeck must have had a very comfortable
>existence under the National Socialist Government in Germany. Born in 1873
>in Posen, he became a Rabbi in 1897 in Oppeln/Silesia. Interestingly, he was
>a Rabbi in Berlin from 1912 until 1943, when he himself was interned at the
>Theresienstadt camp, a camp where most of the prominent Jews and resistance
>activists were housed. After the war Leo Baeck immigrated to England.
>
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich, the land of concentration
>camps and "gas chambers," with all the other 300,000 German Jews who were
>allowed to leave for more lucrative lands?
>
>Another question should be put to all those false Holocaust "experts" by
>asking them how many Jews were gassed in Dachau? As a matter of fact, no one
>was ever "gassed" in Germany, or in territories under German control, as has
>been established in court
>
>In Schuld und Schicksal (Guilt and Fate) Burg dealt with the Warsaw and Lodz
>ghettos. When the German troops occupied Warsaw, they wanted to concentrate
>the Jewish population. Real ghettos had been there for centuries but the
>assimilated or emancipated Jews had lived far way from the ghettos. Now the
>Germans wanted to have the Jews all together. In a practical sense, the
>ghetto was also organized for the protection of the Jewish population.
>(26-6885, 6886)
>The Zionists were happy with this arrangement. An appointed Jewish Council
>was the governing body of the ghetto. They had their own police, jails and
>everything else. Naturally, there were some who were cruel. One of these was
>the vice president of the police, who was later executed. In Burg's eyes,
>this execution was evidence that Jews defended themselves against the
>minority of Zionists who were using the majority of Jews for their own
>purposes. (26-6886, 6887)
>
>Then, when hundreds of thousands of civilians died in massive Allied bombing
>raids against German civilians ... and only then ... Rabbi Baeck got out.
>And where did he go? To Theresienstadt, because the concentration camp was
>never bombed by the Allies, and was the safest place for a Jew to be.
>Why did Rabbi Baeck never leave the Third Reich, the land of concentration
>camps and "gas chambers," with all the other 300,000 German Jews who were
>allowed to leave for more lucrative lands?
>It must have been relatively easy to leave Germany. Max Nussbaum, Chief
>Rabbi of Berlin until 1940 (who later became Chief Rabbi of Beverly Hills,
>CA), immigrated to New York at the advice of Rabbi Stephen Wise. Did Rabbi
>Wise already know of the coming war between the United States and Germany in
>1940?
>One must assume that Rabbi Baeck knew about Rabbi Nussbaum's plan to move to
>New York, but again Baeck remained in Berlin. A riddle to be sure, unless
>the horrors of Nazism were not that horrible for the Jews after all.
>Ø > IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered
>all
>> > European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their
>property
>> > in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
>> > a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine;<
>
>YES THAT OFFER WAS MADE. THE JEWS CAN THANK THE ZIONISTS WHO DECLINED FOR
>THEIR VARIOUS REASONS.
>Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many
>Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the
>scoundrel who founded Zionism
>http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm
>The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German
>offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the
>other Jewish groups  made no effort to influence the United States and the
>32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German
>and Austrian Jews.
>http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Jews-who-helped-nazis-hit
>ler.htm
>Ø
>
>
>
>By Max Hastings
>
>LONDON: Whatever the outcome of the current Palestinian chaos, meaningful
>negotiations with Israel seem unlikely. The most plausible scenario is that
>Ehud Olmert will proceed unilaterally to draw new boundaries for his
>country, which will absorb significant Palestinian land, and
>institutionalise such dominance of the West Bank as to make a Palestinian
>state unworkable.
>
>If this is the future, it is likely to yield fruits as bitter for Israelis
>as for Palestinians. The world, far from becoming more willing to acquiesce
>in Israel's expansion, is becoming less so. The generation of European
>non-Jews for whom the Holocaust is a seminal memory is dying. With them
>perishes much vicarious guilt.
>
>Younger Europeans, not to mention the rest of the world, are more sceptical
>about Israel's territorial claims. They are less susceptible to moral
>arguments about redress for past horrors, which have underpinned Israeli
>actions for almost 60 years. We may hope that it will never become
>respectable to be anti-semitic.
>
>However, Israel is discovering that it can no longer frighten non-Jews out
>of opposing its policies merely by accusing them of anti-semitism.
>
>There is also evidence of growing disenchantment with Israel in the Jewish
>diaspora. Feelings have changed since 1948 and the days when Jews around the
>world thought it a duty to support "their" nation in the promised land right
>or wrong, in good times or bad. David Goldberg, the former rabbi of the
>Liberal Jewish Synagogue in London, has just published a book that will
>rouse plenty of wrath in Israel. Entitled The Divided Self, its theme is
>that in modern times the Jews of the diaspora have preserved the honour and
>heritage of the Jewish people far more convincingly than Israel's citizens.
>
>Goldberg, whom I should acknowledge as a friend, rejects the Zionist conceit
>that the only proper place for Jews is in Israel. He discerns an unhealthy
>artificiality about the society constructed beside the Mediterranean since
>1948: "to assert itself, it must be rigid and inflexible". He notes that
>while genealogy has become a popular enthusiasm of diaspora Jews, Israelis
>prefer archaeology, "pursuing the distant past to authenticate an ancient
>connection with the land" in the absence of any more recent claim.
>
>He tells a good story of returning on a boat from Israel to Marseilles in
>1958, after a stint on a kibbutz. His efforts to make headway with pretty
>blond American passengers were thwarted by the presence of a tanned,
>muscular Israeli paratrooper, who effortlessly cut him out. When the boat
>stopped at Naples, this hero of Sinai announced that he was off to buy a
>watch. Beware of fakes, advised Goldberg, magnanimous in sexual defeat. The
>soldier ignored him, and was later seen hurling a worthless purchase into
>the sea.
>
>If we were talking about Christians here, it might be called a parable.
>Goldberg believes that Israel has allowed military prowess to blind it to
>wisdom: "the Jewish fox knows many things, the Jewish hedgehog only one big
>thing". Or you may prefer a Talmudic saying: "better a live dog than a dead
>lion".
>
>Goldberg defines the virtues of diaspora Jews, "adapting to novel
>circumstances and responding to changing times", in terms that would rouse
>the contempt of many Israelis. "Two thousand years of powerlessness have
>honed the antennae to detect where self-interest lies, what is on or not on
>... The experience ... of learning to live circumspectly among more numerous
>and powerful neighbours is a surer guarantee of survival than the
>triumphalist illusions of a mere 50-odd years of statehood."
>
>Some Israelis would say that this is the language of the ghetto, reflecting
>a willingness to defer, even to cringe; of exactly the kind their state was
>created to remove from the Jewish psyche.
>
>Yet Goldberg's book reflects a declining willingness among many diaspora
>Jews to write blank cheques for Israel, either literally or figuratively.
>
>It is a painful experience for some Jews who achieve good and even great
>things in their own societies to find themselves cast as sin-eaters for the
>Jewish state.
>
>Most are reluctant to speak out as frankly against Israel's West Bank
>policies as Goldberg has, and as did the late and great Rabbi John Rayner,
>who came here from Germany with the kindertransport. But with each
>generation the emotional distance between Israel and the diaspora is
>growing.-Dawn/The Guardian News Service
>
>
>




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