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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>original | Remove | Report Abuse

>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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Subject: Harpo Lies - Actually RAISED TAXES!!
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harpo, like most politicians, lied yesterday when he claimed to be
lowering taxes.

In fact, he RAISED taxes for the lowest level of taxpayers.
For the 2005 tax year just filed, the rate was only 15%.
Harpo and his crooks have now RAISED it to 15.5%.

It may not sound like a hefty hike, but to a poor person, this adds up
in a year!

Also, why give a tax cut for the filthy rich families sending their
brats to hockey practice?
This is neither useful, nor necessary.


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On Wed, 03 May 2006 15:55:26 GMT, Carter  wrote:

>Asterix wrote:
>> harpo, like most politicians, lied yesterday when he claimed to be
>> lowering taxes.

>> In fact, he RAISED taxes for the lowest level of taxpayers.
>> For the 2005 tax year just filed, the rate was only 15%.
>> Harpo and his crooks have now RAISED it to 15.5%.

>> It may not sound like a hefty hike, but to a poor person, this adds up
>> in a year!

>Adds up in a year??   WTF are you talking about?  It's one half 
>of one percent of your taxable income that will be taxed, once a 
>year.

What a lying maroon.
Workers get income tax deducted each time they get paid.
Guess this proves that Carter is just another non-working parasite!!

>Now take in to account all the tax reductions, including the GST, 
>do the math and tell us how much taxes were raised overall?

>Take your time, we'll wait.
>Carter



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On 3 May 2006 15:17:39 -0700, "George Dance" 
wrote:

>
>Asterix wrote:
>> harpo, like most politicians, lied yesterday when he claimed to be
>> lowering taxes.
>>
>> In fact, he RAISED taxes for the lowest level of taxpayers.
>> For the 2005 tax year just filed, the rate was only 15%.
>
>Actually, the legal rate for 2005 was 16%.  The Liberals never got
>around to passing their tax cut into law; they just told CCRA to mail
>out new forms before election day.

Not true.
The reduced rate of 15% was passed by the Lieberals, effective
February 2005.
If you will read your 2005 tax return, federal tax calculation page,
you will see that the rate for those with under $35,000 taxable, is
15%!!!


>> Harpo and his crooks have now RAISED it to 15.5%.

>> It may not sound like a hefty hike, but to a poor person, this adds up
>> in a year!

>> Also, why give a tax cut for the filthy rich families sending their
>> brats to hockey practice?
>> This is neither useful, nor necessary.

Better to have given a larger deduction for texts for post-secondary
education, which MAY be useful for employment, while hockey and sports
are not!!



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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>original | Remove | Report Abuse

>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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On 26 Apr 2006 09:18:07 -0700, notcanada@notcanada.com wrote:

>Taken from:
>
>www.NotCanada.com
>
>TOP 8 REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA
>
> 8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.
>Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your
>education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough
>for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job
>in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to
>Canada are the same credentials that don't qualify you for your
>profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do
>the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

Actually, most of the professions DO NOT WANT COMPETITION, INCLUDING
LOWER PRICES, FROM QUALIFIED IMMIGRANTS!

That is why most professional groups in Canada will refuse to
recognise the credentials of professional groups outside Canada!!


> 7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.
>>From rent, to utility bills, to shopping, to phone, internet and cable
>bills, to gas, to car insurance, to eating out, to basically anything
>you have to pay for or buy, the cost of living in Canada has become
>astronomical. Recent immigrants are astonished as to how expensive
>everything is. It is estimated that compared to most countries around
>the world, the cost of living in Canada is on average five times
>greater.

> 6. Health Care Crisis.
>Practicing physicians in Canada are in a shortage, 1 in 4 Canadians
>cannot get a family doctor. Canadian doctors are leaving to move
>permanently to the United States. Statistics Canada and the Canadian
>Medical Association both have identified that for every 1 American
>doctor that moves to Canada, 19 (nineteen) Canadian doctors move to the
>United States! Doctors in Canada are overworked and underpaid, and
>there is a cap on their salaries.

> 5. Very High Taxes.
>Yes, you have the GST, the PST, totaling 15%, on practically everything
>you purchase and many other taxes taken out of our weekly paycheck. You
>have to pay a whopping amount to the government, out of your hard
>earned salary, so that the government can turn around and give it to
>beer drinking, hockey watching welfare bums. Fair? It does not matter,
>it's Canada.

> 4. Money Hungry Government.
>Canadian Embassies around the world lie to foreigners, painting this
>picture that Canada is Utopia, because they want them to come to
>Canada. Why? Because foreigners bring money! So after being deceived,
>these foreigners come. They must bring with them at least $10,000.
>Canada has an immigration quota of 250,000 per year. So please do the
>math, 250,000 multiplied by $10,000 each equals a whopping 2.5 Billion
>dollars that Canada gains from immigrants every year.

> 3. No Culture.
>Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no culture.
>Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the last
>time you had some 'Canadian' food? There are no Canadian traditions and
>there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself
>a 'Canadian'. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still
>identify themselves with the country they 'originally' came from.

Canada does support with huge amounts of taxpayer cash, all the
gangsters and thugs involved in commercial sports, though!

> 2. Worst Weather.
>Yes, Canada has the worst weather conditions of any country in the
>world. Freezing cold temperatures, snow, ice, hail, winds, storms etc.
>>From the Prairie provinces to the Maritimes, from the Territories to
>southern Ontario, the weather is so horrific and disgusting that many
>Canadians leave Canada simply because of this reason alone.

> 1. No Jobs.
>Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs. Immigrants are highly qualified
>(MD's, PhD's, Lawyers, Engineers etc.) but they are driving taxi cabs,
>delivering pizza's or working in factories. Even people with bachelors
>degrees from Canadian Universities cannot find jobs after graduation.
>This is the tragedy associated with immigration to Canada. I feel sorry
>for those immigrants who are stuck in Canada for the rest of their
>lives. It is indeed a very sad and hopeless future.
>
>Taken from:
>
>www.NotCanada.com



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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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The Guardian Angels group, headed by their leader, arrived yesterday
in Edmonton, Canada.

They had been invited by a local citizen, who had become disgusted
with the rising crime, compounded by all the scandals involving
crooked police.

Even the previous police chief was fired for just cause.
Now, the new chief cop is annoyed that an outside source has been
called in to do some of his functions.

The artsie-fartsie mayor is also annoyed, since it gives bad
international publicity to Deadmonton.


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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
>Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show
>original | Remove | Report Abuse

>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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Deadmonton DOES NOT have a population of over 900,000!!
The city population is just over 500,000!!

The city is using the fictitious figure, to mimise the murder rate in
town!!

Don't forget, that the last 4 cop chiefs have all been canned in
disgrace!
Plus, the crooked cops still have not charged the serial killer of
women, which is making many think that perhaps it is one of the rogue
cops doing all the extra murders!!

Apart from all the convictions against city cops for torture, and
killing innocent victims like last week!!

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:27:54 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:

>Edmonton records 37 homicides in 2005 while Toronto records 78.  Considering 
>the relative populations (est. 2004) of these two cities, the per 100,000 
>homicide rate works out to:
>
>  Edmonton - ( 37 / 947,311 ) * 10^5 = 3.9
>  Toronto - ( 78 / 2,518,772 ) * 10^5 = 3.1
>
>Oh what a shocker!  You're 25% more likely to become a victim of homicide in 
>Edmonton than Toronto.  What makes me laugh is the Alberta crackpot who 
>claims crime and homicide is somehow special to "Cherrana" and that the 
>problem is mysteriously attributable to "socialism."




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On Mon, 08 May 2006 19:28:29 GMT, "sharx35" 
wrote:

>
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:02pu52569goana90rq0lprc11rl8uudghe@4ax.com...
>> The Guardian Angels group, headed by their leader, arrived yesterday
>> in Edmonton, Canada.
>>
>> They had been invited by a local citizen, who had become disgusted
>> with the rising crime, compounded by all the scandals involving
>> crooked police.
>>
>> Even the previous police chief was fired for just cause.
>> Now, the new chief cop is annoyed that an outside source has been
>> called in to do some of his functions.
>>
>> The artsie-fartsie mayor is also annoyed, since it gives bad
>> international publicity to Deadmonton.
>
>Your comments are well put. We need as many people as possible involved in 
>the detection and reporting of crime. The actual police can't be everywhere. 
>They NEED our co-operation and that of volunteer groups like the Guardian 
>Angels. Only criminals have anything to fear from groups like the Guardian 
>angels.

And crooked cops also fear the Guardian Angels.

The past weekend the medfia reported on more errant cops, in the SWAT
team, exposed by one of the members!!



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On Tue, 09 May 2006 15:13:00 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
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>> On Mon, 08 May 2006 14:20:43 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
>>  wrote:
>>>"Sew"  wrote in message
>>>news:t69t525av3dstshl4p0rnomilc3hqj6inm@4ax.com...
>>>> On 4 May 2006 16:39:50 -0000, Rob Welldumb 
>>>> wrote:

>>>>>It seems that the retard city councillors, have again kissed butt for 
>>>>>West
>>>>>Deadmonton Mall, and approved paying $650,000 of taxpayer money for the
>>>>>WEM car race!!

>>>>>Notice they DID NOT offer compensation to the many small restaurants and
>>>>>bars affected by the no-smoking bylaw, which will see many hundreds of
>>>>>jobs disappear, and small businesses go bankrupt!
>>>>>This is called GETTING JEWED, where some people get preferential
>>>>>treatment, at YOUR COST!!

>>>>>BOYCOTT THE RACE, and WEM, and everything connected!

>>>> I heard after the last race that the racing group thought that
>>>> Edmonton might be a good place to make this an annual event. Perhaps
>>>> now is the time for taxpayers to write, phone, email or whatever the
>>>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL and let them know that never again are they to use
>>>> our tax dollars for racing etc. After all, it seems that they have
>>>> forgotten that it is NOT THEIR MONEY that they are spending and it is
>>>> definitely not a necessity of life to me (I would rather have my roads
>>>> cleaned in the winter) so STOP the taxpayers bleeding.

>>>> BTW, the rule of use groups is that you are NOT ALLOWED to post to
>>>> more than 4 groups at a time. Last I heard you can get kicked off
>>>> groups for doing that. In this regard I have trimmed everything back
>>>> to basics...much like I wish Mandel and Council would do to ALL their
>>>> departments.
>>
>>>> No more tax increases. Cut your departments instead.

>>>Yes, let's just ignore the millions of dollars this race brings into the
>>>City.

 You mean the millions LEAVING the city, in the pockets of all the
 foreigners involved in racing, plus all their entourages?

>> Or do you also get a cut from the poor deluded taxpayers, compliments
>> of the rogues on council?

>They don't get their money from us, and we make millions in tourism, hotel, 
>restaurants, etc.   Fuck, for someone who claims to have been an accountant, 
>you have a strange grasp of economics.  Explains your career however.  When 
>are you going to have the balls to post under your own name, and stop using 
>sockpuppets? 

The $650,000 given by the crooks on city council to the Triple5 car
race, CAME FROM TAXPAYERS!!

This is money stolen from all the homeowners, and other businesses, to
line the pockets of the promoter of this race, Triple5.

It is the same as stealing from the pockets of the homeowners, and
small business owners, who were not asked whether they wanted to give
Triple5 this money!!

If Triple5 and other businesses want this noisy race, then let THEM
and their supporters pay all the costs, with no public money. If they
can not get enough, then let the race go bankrupt, as it should in the
real free enterprise world!!





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The crooked cops, is the real problem.

Remember a couple of years ago, when the crooked chief cop pleaded at
city council for taxpayers to spend some 12 millions of dollars for a
Mill Woods cop shop, SUPPOSED TO REDUCE DRASTICALLY POLICE 
RESPONSE TIME IN SOUTH EDMONTON?

Where were all the crooked cops?
Dealing drugs, shacking up, or what?
Now, after almost a week, they claim they were "doing administrative
functions", instead of attending at a murder!! Pure BS and lies!!

Remember the taxpayers being forced to pay several millions a year,
for the toy called the copper chopper Air1?
Why wasn't it used to catch the 4 murdering thugs?

In the more than half hour that the crooked cops took to show up at
the murder scene, how many important witnesses disappeared, literally
by walking away?

How much essential evidence also disappeared, because the cops were
too busy doing whatever, instead of responding to a murder?

It is now time to FIRE FOR JUST CAUSE, ALL THE SENIOR COPS involved,
even before they fake up a cover-up!!


On 7 Mar 2006 11:10:39 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>PV wrote:
>
>> From the Edmonton Journal:
>> At 9:01 p.m., ETS control called in an emergency. Five minutes later,
>> paramedics were on the scene. A minute later, an ETS inspector was also
>> there.
>> Police were notified at 9:05 p.m. In the next 25 minutes, they were called
>> three more times, with an ETS control operator urging them to get to the
>> scene, said the employee.
>>
>> At 9:23 p.m., police were told the victim of the attack had died - the
>> assault became a homicide. Police arrived seven minutes later.
>>
>> http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=88a7b166-5e42-4074-a9b4-24525e7af130&k=83948
>>
>> Paramedics were there fast, police were late to the party, in fact it wasn't
>> until it turned into murder did they rush to the scene.  However the police
>> presence would make no difference whether the poor soul lived or died.  EMS
>> were there within 5 minutes but still too late.
>
>Clearly police response time is a major issue here, and I hope our
>mayor and our new police chief take steps to address this issue.
>
>Thirty minutes to respond to a serious assault alone is a problem.
>Let's not talk about the victim dying and the incident turning into a
>homicide.
>
>I want to know what the problem was, and I want to see it corrected
>before another incident like this happens.



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On 3 May 2006 10:01:15 -0700, "~K&M~" 
wrote:

>My husband & I are thinking of moving to Edmonton this fall.  It's a
>big move for us but we thik it will be good.  My question:
>
>How is the job market?
You failed to detail what job skills you have, both of you, if any..

>What end of town is the best to live with in with good schools
>(elementary & high schools) but not too pricey ($1000-$1200/ month
>rent)?

Depends on how you enjoy the local drug dealers, muggers, rapists and
home invaders, together with all the crooked cops making international
news!

>How is the cost of living balance?
>
 What is that?

Don't forget further, that there are no international airlines
connecting from Deadmonton to Europe or Asia, since they started their
boycott.
You have to connect at that thriving metropolis Calgary, 300 km to the
south.

>Thank you!
>K&M

Reposted from a previous post:
The city is so crooked, they had to FIRE the last crooked chief of
cops, for trying to frame the head of the police commission together
with a reporter who was detailing crooked cops!!

The crooked cops there have been convicted of torture, hiring a hitman
to kill a wife, mysterious disappearance of key evidence of cocaine
>from locked property room, "tasering" accused unnecessarily, and the
list goes on....

Roads are in critical poor shape everywhere, because instead of fixing
the roads, the idiots running the city gave $650,000 to the Triple5
ZHIDS, sponsoring a nuisance car race this weekend!

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:13:59 -0600, "Jinxy"  wrote:
>"truth"  wrote in message 
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>> that city North Canada is a city full of themselves,,,two people got
>> killed by the police over there for just being drunk...
>>  the roads are the worst i ever seen,,,i drive a 2003 and because of
>> the conditions of the streets in Edmonton ,,it felt like i was driving
>> an old cars,,,bumps and cracks and all

Now, crime is so rampant, that the Guardian Angels are considering
establishing a chapter in Deadmonton. The police chief and mayor are
antagonistic to the Angels, because they do not want competition in
apprehending criminals. Who knows, perhaps some crooked cops may
actually get caught, for a change!!


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On Wed, 10 May 2006 02:42:44 GMT, "Leon Trollski" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message
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>> The crooked cops, is the real problem.

>It's absolutely true.

>Maybe the female police officer can explain why she was arranging towing for
>the truck abandoned in Riverbend, this winter, by her drug running, drunk
>behind the wheel friend?  Since when the fuck do police arrange towing for
>abandoned vehicles, especially ones partially wrapped around light
>standards?  And when asked why, they stammer and don't answer?

>This particular pickup truck left a winding path all through the park,
>before the obviously drunk driver met a big light standard.  Then he called
>his pal at the Edmonton police to take care of it.

>How many Edmonton cops are busy providing cover for organized crime?  How
>many are on the payroll of organized crime?

The real problem, constantly being reported by the media, is: 
How many of the crooked Edmonton cops are the organised criminals?



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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:06:59 GMT, "Leon Trollski" 
wrote:
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>with pay???  This is disgusting.

The 2 low level cops Bell and Nesbitt were arrested, and charged.
They are the ones now on paid holidays!

But what about their crooked BOSS, the one who gave the orders, and
presumably got MORE THAN THE $437,000?!!



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The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".

This scam collected more than $250,000 through fraudulent telephone
solicitors, claiming the money was going to a charity.

In fact, only $20,000 actually goes to a local women's shelter safe
house.

Almost all the money goes to a scam business called Xentel DM Inc, out
of Calgary, not even a local business. In the USA, XENTEL has been the
subject of investigations alleging deceptive telemarketing, as well as
for breaching do-not-call laws.

In Iowa, in November 2004, Xentel was forced to stop abusive and
misleading calls in fundraising and solicitations, and was forced to
pay $30,000 in penalties.

Since almost all the money goes to a for-profit business, rather than
to a registered charity, why isn't the provincial government charging
the crooks and their sponsors with FRAUD?

This scam was being promoted by the Edmonton Police Faded Blues 
Hockey team.

Just one more scandal for the new chief to clean up!


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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councvillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Moke Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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Edmonton TV station CFRN rteports tonight that new charges of criminal
assault and torture have been fiked against Chief Boyd and 3 Edmonton
Police officers!

This follows the torture of a civilian suffering from severe diabetes,
who was tortured, and videotaped. CFRN TV even showed the results of
the police brutality in today's newscast.

Just one more example of why Edmonton needs the Guardian Angels, and
also needs to replace most of the Deadmonton Police Force, commonly
called the Gestapo!!


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Edmonton TV station CFRN rteports tonight that new charges of criminal
assault and torture have been fiked against Chief Boyd and 3 Edmonton
Police officers!

This follows the torture of a civilian suffering from severe diabetes,
who was tortured, and videotaped. CFRN TV even showed the results of
the police brutality in today's newscast.

Just one more example of why Edmonton needs the Guardian Angels, and
also needs to replace most of the Deadmonton Police Force, commonly
called the Gestapo!!

>The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

>They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
>run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".

>This scam collected more than $250,000 through fraudulent telephone
>solicitors, claiming the money was going to a charity.

>In fact, only $20,000 actually goes to a local women's shelter safe
>house.

>Almost all the money goes to a scam business called Xentel DM Inc, out
>of Calgary, not even a local business. In the USA, XENTEL has been the
>subject of investigations alleging deceptive telemarketing, as well as
>for breaching do-not-call laws.

>In Iowa, in November 2004, Xentel was forced to stop abusive and
>misleading calls in fundraising and solicitations, and was forced to
>pay $30,000 in penalties.

>Since almost all the money goes to a for-profit business, rather than
>to a registered charity, why isn't the provincial government charging
>the crooks and their sponsors with FRAUD?

>This scam was being promoted by the Edmonton Police Faded Blues 
>Hockey team.

>Just one more scandal for the new chief to clean up!
Looks like he himself is now being sued, with no end in sight of more
exposes, even from honest cops such as Morrisson!!



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Edmonton TV station CFRN reports tonight that new charges of criminal
assault and torture have been filed against Chief Boyd and 3 Edmonton
Police officers!

This follows the torture of a civilian suffering from severe diabetes,
who was tortured, and videotaped. CFRN TV even showed the results 
of the police brutality in today's newscast.

Just one more example of why Edmonton needs the Guardian Angels, and
also needs to replace most of the Deadmonton Police Force, commonly
called the Gestapo!!


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Edmonton TV station CFRN rteports tonight that new charges of criminal
assault and torture have been fiked against Chief Boyd and 3 Edmonton
Police officers!

This follows the torture of a civilian suffering from severe diabetes,
who was tortured, and videotaped. CFRN TV even showed the results of
the police brutality in today's newscast.

Just one more example of why Edmonton needs the Guardian Angels, and
also needs to replace most of the Deadmonton Police Force, commonly
called the Gestapo!!

This is the same police force that for years has been unable, or more
likely unwilling , to catch the serial killer of more than 100 'sex
trade workers'. 

Consequently, many members of the public are starting to wonder, is
the serial killer another crooked cop, and is that why the EPS do not
find him?

>The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

>They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
>run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".

>This scam collected more than $250,000 through fraudulent telephone
>solicitors, claiming the money was going to a charity.

>In fact, only $20,000 actually goes to a local women's shelter safe
>house.

>Almost all the money goes to a scam business called Xentel DM Inc, out
>of Calgary, not even a local business. In the USA, XENTEL has been the
>subject of investigations alleging deceptive telemarketing, as well as
>for breaching do-not-call laws.

>In Iowa, in November 2004, Xentel was forced to stop abusive and
>misleading calls in fundraising and solicitations, and was forced to
>pay $30,000 in penalties.

>Since almost all the money goes to a for-profit business, rather than
>to a registered charity, why isn't the provincial government charging
>the crooks and their sponsors with FRAUD?

>This scam was being promoted by the Edmonton Police Faded Blues 
>Hockey team.

>Just one more scandal for the new chief to clean up!
Looks like he himself is now being sued, with no end in sight of more
exposes, even from honest cops such as Morrisson!!



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The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".

This scam collected more than $250,000 through fraudulent telephone
solicitors, claiming the money was going to a charity.

In fact, only $20,000 actually goes to a local women's shelter safe
house.

Almost all the money goes to a scam business called Xentel DM Inc, out
of Calgary, not even a local business. In the USA, XENTEL has been the
subject of investigations alleging deceptive telemarketing, as well as
for breaching do-not-call laws.

In Iowa, in November 2004, Xentel was forced to stop abusive and
misleading calls in fundraising and solicitations, and was forced to
pay $30,000 in penalties.

Since almost all the money goes to a for-profit business, rather than
to a registered charity, why isn't the provincial government charging
the crooks and their sponsors with FRAUD?

This scam was being promoted by the Edmonton Police Faded Blues 
Hockey team.

Just one more scandal for the new chief to clean up!


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On 11 May 2006 16:15:57 -0700, "Maxx"  wrote:

>Asterix wrote:
>> Edmonton TV station CFRN rteports tonight 10th May 2006,that new

CFRN-TV carried the headline story at 6 pm, and again at 11;30 p.m.
yesterday.

It6 was again carried today, Thursday 11 May 2006 as a feature on the
6 p.m. news, together with excuses from the BS staffer at Gestapo
headquarters!

>But nothing on their Web site to verify it.  In fact, they have nothing
>to report on their site at all.  A real Award winning news team.
>
>> >The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>> >paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

>> >They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
>> >run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".

>Went to the Edmonton Journal site.  Put in a search for "Charity Scam",
>"Oldtimers Hockey Challenge", and just plain "Scam"



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Alan, what is latest status of this matter?
Are snivel servants still ripping off taxpapyers, or will truckers now
be allowed same as crooked trough-feeders?


On 18 Mar 2005 12:16:44 -0800, alanbaggett1@canada.com (Alan Baggett)
wrote:

>Here's the latest from:

>http://pei.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=pe-truck20050318

>Truckers fight for better meal deductions  
>Last Updated Mar 18 2005 11:24 AM AST
>CBC News 
>CHARLOTTETOWN – Some P.E.I. truckers have joined a class action
>lawsuit against the Canada Revenue Agency. They want to be able to
>claim more money for meals while they're on the road.

>Summerside's Chris Murphy spends two weeks at a time rolling across
>North America in his truck, paying for three meals a day in roadside
>restaurants.
>
>He said when government employees are traveling they are paid up to
>$75 a day as compensation for their meals and related expenses.
>
>However, truckers are allowed to claim a maximum of $23 a day as a
>business expense. Murphy believes the numbers should be the same.
>
>The court case was filed in British Columbia Supreme Court in 2002.
>
>Ernie Slump, the publisher of Trucker Magazine launched the suit.
>Since then, he has added the names of 3,000 truckers to the case.
>
>He believes the federal government is trying to delay the case.
>
>"We thought we might go to court in April or May, but we think now
>that the government may drag it out further until after the next
>election because this could very well become an election issue."
>
>Murphy said he just wants the same provisions as other people who have
>to leave home for work.
>
>The federal Department of Finance won't say if deductions for meals on
>the road might be raised.
>
>
>
>canadarevenueagency@hotmail.com (Alan Baggett) wrote in message news:<8b49ba6a.0503071010.32b5b558@posting.google.com>...
>> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displayarticle.cfm?ID=3824
>> 
>> Law firm files meal allowance suit 
>> 
>> SUMMERLAND, B.C. (Mar. 7, 2005) -- B.C. law firm Johnston, Johnson &
>> Co. has filed a class-action suit on behalf of 11 truck drivers
>> seeking to overturn the unfair meal allowance portion of the federal
>> tax policy.
>> The Summerland, B.C.-based lawyers are asking the Supreme Court of
>> British Columbia to strike down a section of the Income Tax Act
>> dealing with the deduction of their meals while they are on the road.
>> 
>> "Essentially, we looked at whether truckers, bus drivers, and other
>> workers that travel for a living could unite in one cause to get
>> parity with government workers," says Tom Johnston, lead counsel on
>> the case in a statement that appears on the firm's website.
>> "Government employees receive a meal allowance of $73.10 [an amount
>> that fluctuates on a quarterly basis according to the Consumer Price
>> Index] per day plus U.S. exchange (if they were traveling in the US),
>> without receipts."
>> 
>> In the Statement of Claim, it is asserted by the plaintiffs (the
>> truckers) that CCRA [formerly Revenue Canada] "through [its]
>> administrative policies, have ruled that some of the Plaintiffs and
>> some of the Class are not entitled to a meal allowance greater than
>> $16.50 before 2003, and, $22.50 after 2003, while other taxpayers
>> received more money for meals, including allowing some, the fair meal
>> allowance rate."
>> 
>> Further, the Plaintiffs claim that the decision to allow some
>> individuals to claim a greater amount than others is unfair and
>> discriminatory, and without adequate reason.
>> 
>> Johnston says he hopes for truckers to gain parity with federal civil
>> servants covered by the Treasury Board Secretariat Travel Directive.
>> "We're also seeking to strike down the 50 percent aspect of the rule,"
>> he says. "That applies to business meals, and in the case of our
>> clients, that's clearly not the case.
>> 
>> "In the civil servants' case, he or she is consuming meals for
>> sustenance, as are truck drivers. Allowing one group a more generous
>> allowance than others isn't fair. It's clearly a discriminatory
>> practice, and the Canadian Charter of Rights makes no room for
>> distinction between one class of citizens and another."
>> 
>> Drivers wishing to join the class action may still do so by contacting
>> Johnston & Johnson at their B.C. offices, or by visiting the website.
>> If the lawsuit is successful, only those registered and paid-up of the
>> class action may be able to claim retroactive meal allowances, the
>> firm says.
>> 
>> There is a $200 fee to join the class action. Those already in the
>> class action will need to pay an additional $100.00 to remain in the
>> lawsuit. For more information, see www.summerlandlawoffice.com or
>> call, 800-494-0442.



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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On Tue, 09 May 2006 15:13:00 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:2ppu52d1g3057bbr31u0435n46aolgvvhp@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 08 May 2006 14:20:43 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
>>  wrote:
>>>"Sew"  wrote in message
>>>news:t69t525av3dstshl4p0rnomilc3hqj6inm@4ax.com...
>>>> On 4 May 2006 16:39:50 -0000, Rob Welldumb 
>>>> wrote:

>>>>>It seems that the retard city councillors, have again kissed butt for 
>>>>>West
>>>>>Deadmonton Mall, and approved paying $650,000 of taxpayer money for the
>>>>>WEM car race!!

>>>>>Notice they DID NOT offer compensation to the many small restaurants and
>>>>>bars affected by the no-smoking bylaw, which will see many hundreds of
>>>>>jobs disappear, and small businesses go bankrupt!
>>>>>This is called GETTING JEWED, where some people get preferential
>>>>>treatment, at YOUR COST!!

>>>>>BOYCOTT THE RACE, and WEM, and everything connected!

>>>> I heard after the last race that the racing group thought that
>>>> Edmonton might be a good place to make this an annual event. Perhaps
>>>> now is the time for taxpayers to write, phone, email or whatever the
>>>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL and let them know that never again are they to use
>>>> our tax dollars for racing etc. After all, it seems that they have
>>>> forgotten that it is NOT THEIR MONEY that they are spending and it is
>>>> definitely not a necessity of life to me (I would rather have my roads
>>>> cleaned in the winter) so STOP the taxpayers bleeding.

>>>> BTW, the rule of use groups is that you are NOT ALLOWED to post to
>>>> more than 4 groups at a time. Last I heard you can get kicked off
>>>> groups for doing that. In this regard I have trimmed everything back
>>>> to basics...much like I wish Mandel and Council would do to ALL their
>>>> departments.
>>
>>>> No more tax increases. Cut your departments instead.

>>>Yes, let's just ignore the millions of dollars this race brings into the
>>>City.

 You mean the millions LEAVING the city, in the pockets of all the
 foreigners involved in racing, plus all their entourages?

>> Or do you also get a cut from the poor deluded taxpayers, compliments
>> of the rogues on council?

>They don't get their money from us, and we make millions in tourism, hotel, 
>restaurants, etc.   Fuck, for someone who claims to have been an accountant, 
>you have a strange grasp of economics.  Explains your career however.  When 
>are you going to have the balls to post under your own name, and stop using 
>sockpuppets? 

The $650,000 given by the crooks on city council to the Triple5 car
race, CAME FROM TAXPAYERS!!

This is money stolen from all the homeowners, and other businesses, to
line the pockets of the promoter of this race, Triple5.

It is the same as stealing from the pockets of the homeowners, and
small business owners, who were not asked whether they wanted to give
Triple5 this money!!

If Triple5 and other businesses want this noisy race, then let THEM
and their supporters pay all the costs, with no public money. If they
can not get enough, then let the race go bankrupt, as it should in the
real free enterprise world!!





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On 3 May 2006 10:01:15 -0700, "~K&M~" 
wrote:

>My husband & I are thinking of moving to Edmonton this fall.  It's a
>big move for us but we thik it will be good.  My question:
>
>How is the job market?
You failed to detail what job skills you have, both of you, if any..

>What end of town is the best to live with in with good schools
>(elementary & high schools) but not too pricey ($1000-$1200/ month
>rent)?

Depends on how you enjoy the local drug dealers, muggers, rapists and
home invaders, together with all the crooked cops making international
news!

>How is the cost of living balance?
>
 What is that?

Don't forget further, that there are no international airlines
connecting from Deadmonton to Europe or Asia, since they started their
boycott.
You have to connect at that thriving metropolis Calgary, 300 km to the
south.

>Thank you!
>K&M

Reposted from a previous post:
The city is so crooked, they had to FIRE the last crooked chief of
cops, for trying to frame the head of the police commission together
with a reporter who was detailing crooked cops!!

The crooked cops there have been convicted of torture, hiring a hitman
to kill a wife, mysterious disappearance of key evidence of cocaine
>from locked property room, "tasering" accused unnecessarily, and the
list goes on....

Roads are in critical poor shape everywhere, because instead of fixing
the roads, the idiots running the city gave $650,000 to the Triple5
ZHIDS, sponsoring a nuisance car race this weekend!

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:13:59 -0600, "Jinxy"  wrote:
>"truth"  wrote in message 
>news:1121042880.509023.71190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> that city North Canada is a city full of themselves,,,two people got
>> killed by the police over there for just being drunk...
>>  the roads are the worst i ever seen,,,i drive a 2003 and because of
>> the conditions of the streets in Edmonton ,,it felt like i was driving
>> an old cars,,,bumps and cracks and all

Now, crime is so rampant, that the Guardian Angels are considering
establishing a chapter in Deadmonton. The police chief and mayor are
antagonistic to the Angels, because they do not want competition in
apprehending criminals. Who knows, perhaps some crooked cops may
actually get caught, for a change!!


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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>original | Remove | Report Abuse

>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
>Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show
>original | Remove | Report Abuse

>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On 8 Dec 2005 23:03:36 GMT, Wally Cleaver 
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0000, <11ph7h9mknc6k94@corp.supernews.com>
>kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article <1642514.PtBnYVMG7h@Xn1>, 127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <1134066915.228014.96670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>>Kenny McVay wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> [routine grosvomit]
>>>> 
>>>
>>>About the famous "gas chamber" in the Auschwitz I camp, Conan writes: 
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html
>>
>>As to Dr. Piper's response to David Cole, see his letter to the Daily Texan:
>>
>>Archive/File: people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
>>Last-Modified: 1994/11/12
>>
>>
>>                                                     ogwiqcim, October21,1993
>>                Dr Franciszek Piper
>>                Pa'nstwowe Muzeum
>>                32-603 Ogwiecim -Poland
>
>The above could be a forgery seeing how it is at your website which I have
>proven deals in forgeries!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
>Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
>Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT
>
>								Tavish
>
>     ~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
>Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
>Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
>(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
>Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
>evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
>Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
>bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" 
>
>
>As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
>is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
>the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
>association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
>Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
>   SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>Date: 1996/09/05
>Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
>Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial 
>improvements in service.
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>
>In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net>, 
>hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:
>
>>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>>talk.
>
>Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
>by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
>work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
>	SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and mail them to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
>and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
>difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
>how my financing changes that.
>
>
>"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
>contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
>-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
>http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
>(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com
>               <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>
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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On 3 May 2006 10:01:15 -0700, "~K&M~" 
wrote:

>My husband & I are thinking of moving to Edmonton this fall.  It's a
>big move for us but we thik it will be good.  My question:
>
>How is the job market?
You failed to detail what job skills you have, both of you, if any..

>What end of town is the best to live with in with good schools
>(elementary & high schools) but not too pricey ($1000-$1200/ month
>rent)?

Depends on how you enjoy the local drug dealers, muggers, rapists and
home invaders, together with all the crooked cops making international
news!

>How is the cost of living balance?
>
 What is that?

Don't forget further, that there are no international airlines
connecting from Deadmonton to Europe or Asia, since they started their
boycott.
You have to connect at that thriving metropolis Calgary, 300 km to the
south.

>Thank you!
>K&M

Reposted from a previous post:
The city is so crooked, they had to FIRE the last crooked chief of
cops, for trying to frame the head of the police commission together
with a reporter who was detailing crooked cops!!

The crooked cops there have been convicted of torture, hiring a hitman
to kill a wife, mysterious disappearance of key evidence of cocaine
>from locked property room, "tasering" accused unnecessarily, and the
list goes on....

Roads are in critical poor shape everywhere, because instead of fixing
the roads, the idiots running the city gave $650,000 to the Triple5
ZHIDS, sponsoring a nuisance car race this weekend!

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:13:59 -0600, "Jinxy"  wrote:
>"truth"  wrote in message 
>news:1121042880.509023.71190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> that city North Canada is a city full of themselves,,,two people got
>> killed by the police over there for just being drunk...
>>  the roads are the worst i ever seen,,,i drive a 2003 and because of
>> the conditions of the streets in Edmonton ,,it felt like i was driving
>> an old cars,,,bumps and cracks and all

Now, crime is so rampant, that the Guardian Angels are considering
establishing a chapter in Deadmonton. The police chief and mayor are
antagonistic to the Angels, because they do not want competition in
apprehending criminals. Who knows, perhaps some crooked cops may
actually get caught, for a change!!


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On Wed, 10 May 2006 02:42:44 GMT, "Leon Trollski" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message
>news:4jh1629jv2080v79i6rnn0m049o42agbp7@4ax.com...
>> The crooked cops, is the real problem.

>It's absolutely true.

>Maybe the female police officer can explain why she was arranging towing for
>the truck abandoned in Riverbend, this winter, by her drug running, drunk
>behind the wheel friend?  Since when the fuck do police arrange towing for
>abandoned vehicles, especially ones partially wrapped around light
>standards?  And when asked why, they stammer and don't answer?

>This particular pickup truck left a winding path all through the park,
>before the obviously drunk driver met a big light standard.  Then he called
>his pal at the Edmonton police to take care of it.

>How many Edmonton cops are busy providing cover for organized crime?  How
>many are on the payroll of organized crime?

The real problem, constantly being reported by the media, is: 
How many of the crooked Edmonton cops are the organised criminals?



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Subject: Re: Toronto Police Crack Down On Gangs - Now That Mike Boyd Gone!!
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As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
gangs.

Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?

Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!

Sharx, and Top Poster, comments?


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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:09:38 GMT,
hym3n_h0l0c4$t@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:

>Interesting subject title.
>
>Although he may have been a real person at one time, the name "Grosvenor"
>appears to have evolved into an all-purpose bogeyman for use by Zionist lackeys.



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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:23:29 GMT, 3r1c_3$7r4d4@salmahayeksknockers.edu
wrote:
>In can.general George Firestone  wrote:
>> You think "Zionist Lackeys" are "evil" while the list of purveyors of 
>> Grosvenor's garbage is fine?
>
>So you admit that "Grosvenor" isn't posting the material so often attributed
>to him?
>
>
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Alan, what is latest status of this matter?
Are snivel servants still ripping off taxpapyers, or will truckers now
be allowed same as crooked trough-feeders?


On 18 Mar 2005 12:16:44 -0800, alanbaggett1@canada.com (Alan Baggett)
wrote:

>Here's the latest from:

>http://pei.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=pe-truck20050318

>Truckers fight for better meal deductions  
>Last Updated Mar 18 2005 11:24 AM AST
>CBC News 
>CHARLOTTETOWN – Some P.E.I. truckers have joined a class action
>lawsuit against the Canada Revenue Agency. They want to be able to
>claim more money for meals while they're on the road.

>Summerside's Chris Murphy spends two weeks at a time rolling across
>North America in his truck, paying for three meals a day in roadside
>restaurants.
>
>He said when government employees are traveling they are paid up to
>$75 a day as compensation for their meals and related expenses.
>
>However, truckers are allowed to claim a maximum of $23 a day as a
>business expense. Murphy believes the numbers should be the same.
>
>The court case was filed in British Columbia Supreme Court in 2002.
>
>Ernie Slump, the publisher of Trucker Magazine launched the suit.
>Since then, he has added the names of 3,000 truckers to the case.
>
>He believes the federal government is trying to delay the case.
>
>"We thought we might go to court in April or May, but we think now
>that the government may drag it out further until after the next
>election because this could very well become an election issue."
>
>Murphy said he just wants the same provisions as other people who have
>to leave home for work.
>
>The federal Department of Finance won't say if deductions for meals on
>the road might be raised.
>
>
>
>canadarevenueagency@hotmail.com (Alan Baggett) wrote in message news:<8b49ba6a.0503071010.32b5b558@posting.google.com>...
>> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displayarticle.cfm?ID=3824
>> 
>> Law firm files meal allowance suit 
>> 
>> SUMMERLAND, B.C. (Mar. 7, 2005) -- B.C. law firm Johnston, Johnson &
>> Co. has filed a class-action suit on behalf of 11 truck drivers
>> seeking to overturn the unfair meal allowance portion of the federal
>> tax policy.
>> The Summerland, B.C.-based lawyers are asking the Supreme Court of
>> British Columbia to strike down a section of the Income Tax Act
>> dealing with the deduction of their meals while they are on the road.
>> 
>> "Essentially, we looked at whether truckers, bus drivers, and other
>> workers that travel for a living could unite in one cause to get
>> parity with government workers," says Tom Johnston, lead counsel on
>> the case in a statement that appears on the firm's website.
>> "Government employees receive a meal allowance of $73.10 [an amount
>> that fluctuates on a quarterly basis according to the Consumer Price
>> Index] per day plus U.S. exchange (if they were traveling in the US),
>> without receipts."
>> 
>> In the Statement of Claim, it is asserted by the plaintiffs (the
>> truckers) that CCRA [formerly Revenue Canada] "through [its]
>> administrative policies, have ruled that some of the Plaintiffs and
>> some of the Class are not entitled to a meal allowance greater than
>> $16.50 before 2003, and, $22.50 after 2003, while other taxpayers
>> received more money for meals, including allowing some, the fair meal
>> allowance rate."
>> 
>> Further, the Plaintiffs claim that the decision to allow some
>> individuals to claim a greater amount than others is unfair and
>> discriminatory, and without adequate reason.
>> 
>> Johnston says he hopes for truckers to gain parity with federal civil
>> servants covered by the Treasury Board Secretariat Travel Directive.
>> "We're also seeking to strike down the 50 percent aspect of the rule,"
>> he says. "That applies to business meals, and in the case of our
>> clients, that's clearly not the case.
>> 
>> "In the civil servants' case, he or she is consuming meals for
>> sustenance, as are truck drivers. Allowing one group a more generous
>> allowance than others isn't fair. It's clearly a discriminatory
>> practice, and the Canadian Charter of Rights makes no room for
>> distinction between one class of citizens and another."
>> 
>> Drivers wishing to join the class action may still do so by contacting
>> Johnston & Johnson at their B.C. offices, or by visiting the website.
>> If the lawsuit is successful, only those registered and paid-up of the
>> class action may be able to claim retroactive meal allowances, the
>> firm says.
>> 
>> There is a $200 fee to join the class action. Those already in the
>> class action will need to pay an additional $100.00 to remain in the
>> lawsuit. For more information, see www.summerlandlawoffice.com or
>> call, 800-494-0442.



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At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage
people, such as drug dealers.

They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an
executed criminal will never re-offend!!

Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for
the upkeep in some pampering prison system!!

If only the justice systems in North America would follow suit!!!


On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
wrote:

>AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>the streets of Sydney.

>The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.

>But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>opposes the death penalty worldwide.

>Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.

>It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>appeals for clemency.

>It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>bodies or conceal it in their luggage.

>Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>lethally injects traffickers.

>Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>of couriers the trade calls "mules".

>"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>the law of quick dollars."

>The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>his own party room.

>The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.

>Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>previous successful run and another aborted attempt.

>This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>treaties.

>"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>we will continue to operate within."

>What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.

>The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.

>"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.

>Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.

>While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>action.

>The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>do as it thought best until charges were laid.

>By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>evidence had been gathered.

>Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>choose who it chooses to cooperate with."

>International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>a decade.

>Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.

>Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>support of up to 80 per cent.

>In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>die.

>Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.

>In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>acts of terrorism.

>Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.

>How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.

>Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.

>Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.

>It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>Jakarta.

>And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>his mind.

>Death penalty Australia's double dilemma 
>
>18.02.06
>By Greg Ansley



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The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".

This scam collected more than $250,000 through fraudulent telephone
solicitors, claiming the money was going to a charity.

In fact, only $20,000 actually goes to a local women's shelter safe
house.

Almost all the money goes to a scam business called Xentel DM Inc, out
of Calgary, not even a local business. In the USA, XENTEL has been the
subject of investigations alleging deceptive telemarketing, as well as
for breaching do-not-call laws.

In Iowa, in November 2004, Xentel was forced to stop abusive and
misleading calls in fundraising and solicitations, and was forced to
pay $30,000 in penalties.

Since almost all the money goes to a for-profit business, rather than
to a registered charity, why isn't the provincial government charging
the crooks and their sponsors with FRAUD?

This scam was being promoted by the Edmonton Police Faded Blues 
Hockey team.

Just one more scandal for the new chief to clean up!


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The commies and lesbians supporting the Y may want the communist type
family day care scams proposed by the socialist lieberals, but normal
families most certainly DO NOT want the scam.

If the government wants to give the PARENTS $100 a month, for the
parent to use towards whatever form of child care the parent wants,
rather than the institutionalised daycares of communism, then as
Martha Stewart would say, That is a good thing!

There already is too much government interference in families, and
this may be a step in the right direction, allowing parents to choose
where they wish to start the education of their chioldren.


On 21 Mar 2006 16:38:40 -0800, "jlipka81@aol.com" 
wrote:

>Canadian families, irrespective of where they live or the size of their
>communities, want their child care needs met by a nationally-funded
>public system and not a federal cash payout, according to a recent
>report by YWCA Canada.
>
>The report's findings are based on four community task forces held
>over the past year in four distinct communities across Canada: Halifax,
>Vancouver, Martensville, Saskatchewan, and Cambridge, Ontario.
>
>In each task force, parents, service providers and business people
>consistently said that they wanted integrated services that are
>publicly and fairly funded so that they could meet the demands of
>parents in their communities.
>
>The Conservatives are planning to scrap childcare agreements signed by
>the Liberal government and the provinces to develop a National Early
>Learning and Child Care Program. Instead, they will provide parents
>with direct payments of $1,200 a year per child.
>
>But as YWCA study director Jenny Robinson points out, the
>Conservatives' payment would amount to only $8 a week for a
>middle-income family once it is taxed - a sum that will come nowhere
>close to meeting basic child care needs. In addition, the study also
>finds that even if parents have money to buy child care services, there
>is still a shortage of services to buy.
>
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper plans to deal with this shortage by
>offering a one-time credit of $10,000 for businesses and community
>groups to create 125,000 new daycare spaces.
>
>However, 85 per cent of the costs of a child care space are operational
>costs. The Conservative plan offers nothing to keep that space going.
>Moreover, the YWCA report indicates that although tax cuts have been
>offered in some provincial jurisdictions, they have not resulted in any
>new child care spaces.
>
>Canadians want a plan that will guarantee every child - regardless of
>parental income or geography - will get a quality, affordable and
>accessible space offered by a licensed professional. Parents and
>caregivers understand, as we do, that a cash payout is not the answer
>to the country's very real need for child care.
>
>A national child care program like that envisioned in the YWCA report
>is not beyond our means. The Liberal Party has made it a priority to
>ensure the Conservative government honours the 10 multi-year child care
>deals already reached with the provinces. Canadian families deserve
>nothing less.



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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councvillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Mike Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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It was the crooked Edmonton cops, who willingly gave their name to
this scam, so that the Police Hockey team would get publicity.

Because they are cops, they can not plead ignorance, of the laws!!

Just another scam involving crooked Edmonton cops, what?


On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:58:35 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:h6bv32hi1ur7da598ubcid0ic0jovabblm@4ax.com...
>> The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>> paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!
>>
>> They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
>> run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".
>>
>> This scam collected more than $250,000 through fraudulent telephone
>> solicitors, claiming the money was going to a charity.
>>
>> In fact, only $20,000 actually goes to a local women's shelter safe
>> house.
>>
>> Almost all the money goes to a scam business called Xentel DM Inc, out
>> of Calgary, not even a local business. In the USA, XENTEL has been the
>> subject of investigations alleging deceptive telemarketing, as well as
>> for breaching do-not-call laws.
>>
>> In Iowa, in November 2004, Xentel was forced to stop abusive and
>> misleading calls in fundraising and solicitations, and was forced to
>> pay $30,000 in penalties.
>>
>> Since almost all the money goes to a for-profit business, rather than
>> to a registered charity, why isn't the provincial government charging
>> the crooks and their sponsors with FRAUD?
>>
>> This scam was being promoted by the Edmonton Police Faded Blues
>> Hockey team.
>>
>> Just one more scandal for the new chief to clean up!
>
>Funny my Journal says "Big Drainage Bill coming"
>
>Xentel approached the faded blues, set it up, organized it and then skimmed 
>85% of the money.  This is a Xentel scam, not a police scam, the police 
>hired the wrong organization.
>
>Of course so did the Organ Donation and Transplant Association of Canada.  I 
>am not calling them corrupt but told them I would not donate anything to 
>Xentel who would pull the same scam.
>
>It's time the Alberta government shut down this company, or force them to 
>clean up their act.
>
>PV 
>



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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:06:33 -0500, Tommy  wrote:

>The Numbers Decline, The Controversy Increases 
>Multiple Sources
>1-21-5

>It is past time for an international investigation conducted by truly
>impartial scientists, researchers and scholars into the reality of
>Auschwitz to properly and as accurately as possible bring history into
>accord with the facts. Peoples of all religions and persuasions have a
>right to such facts. So far, as the following data demonstrates, we are a
>long way from a consensus on the truth of what happened at Auschwitz in
>WWII. 
 
>9,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been shown
>to millions of school students worldwide. 
 
>8,000,000 
 
>Source: The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945. 
 
>7,000,000 
>  
>Source: Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office. 
>  
>6,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the book Auschwitz Doctor by Miklos Nyiszli. It has since
>been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never even at
>Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians. 
>  
>5,000,000 to 5,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf Höss, based
>on his confession which was written in English, a language he never spoke. 
>  
>5,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also cited on
>January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September 1, 1989, Le
>Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000. 
>  
>4,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the
>aforementioned Höss trial. 
>  
>4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially
>acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also
>reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years later
>on January 26, 1995, The New York Times and The Washington Post slashed the
>figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz Museum officials.
>In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later repudiated by the Auschwitz
>museum officials in 1990 but the figure of 1,500,000 victims was not
>formally announced by Polish President Lech Walesa until five years after
>the Auschwitz historians had first announced their discovery. 
>  
>3,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French Language
>and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip Muller's book,
>Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber. 
>  
>3,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf Höss, the Auschwitz commander
>who said this was the number of those who had died at Auschwitz prior to
>Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue of Heritage, the most
>widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even though three years
>previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum had scaled down the
>figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of 1,500,000. (see below). 
>  
>2,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Rudolf Vrba (an author of various fraudulent accounts of
>events he claims to have witnessed at Auschwitz) when he testified on July
>16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of former SS
>official Adolf Eichmann. 
>  
>2,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in Harvest of Hate; Georges
>Wellers, writing in 1973 in The Yellow Star at the Time of Vichy; and Lucy
>Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in The War Against the Jews. 
>  
>2,000,000 to 4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, A History of the
>Holocaust. However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figure to 1,600,000. 
>  
>1,600,000 
>  
>Source: This is a 1989 revision by Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure in
>1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on September
>22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote "The larger figures
>have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't reached the public
>yet." 
>  
>1,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1995 this was the number of Auschwitz deaths announced by Polish
>President Lech Walesa as determined by those at the Auschwitz museum. This
>number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz camp at that time,
>thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure that had been formally
>repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument) five years earlier in 1990. At
>that time, on July 17, 1990 The Washington Times reprinted a brief article
>from The London Daily Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that
>had been determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new
>figure was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New
>York Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post
>and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new "official"
>figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities). 
>  
>1,471,595 
>  
>Source: This is a 1983 figure cited by Georges Wellers who (as noted
>previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had died. 
>  
>1,433,000 
>  
>Source: This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French daily, Le
>Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the figure at 4,000,000. 
>  
>1,250,000 
>  
>Source: In the book, The Destruction of the European Jews, by Raul Hilberg
>(1985). 
>  
>1,100,000 to 1,500,000 
>  
>Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum
>in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. This estimate was
>later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust
>Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The
>upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new) "official" figure as now inscribed
>at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from
>the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp. 
>  
>1,000,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book Auschwitz: Technique
>and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This is interesting since he wrote his
>book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were called that
>precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those who had died at
>Auschwitz. 
>  
>900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper in New
>York. 
>  
>800,000 to 900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his book, The Final Solution. 
>  
>775,000 to 800,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993 book,
>The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery, scaling down his
>earlier claim of 1,000,000 dead. 
>  
>630,000 to 710,000 
>  
>Source: In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this is the
>figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's 1993 book
>originally published in French. Again, this is substantially less than
>Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000. 
>  
>135,000 to 140,000 
>  
>Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the International
>Tracing Service of the Red Cross. It is known that International Tracing
>Service has a complete set of registration documents. This is thought to
>include a complete set of roll-call data which includes twice daily tallies
>of those who died. Although the International Tracing Service of the Red
>Cross has such records, they have never officially published an accurate
>count of those who died, or even an accurate report as to exactly which
>documents they hold. However, totals from these records have been obtained
>by various interested parties. 
>  
>The estimate of 135,500 is roughly corroborated by the "Auschwitz death
>books." The death books themselves are wartime German camp records, which
>were captured by the Soviets towards the end of the war, and hidden in
>Soviet achieves, until released to the Red Cross in 1989. 
>  
>The death books consist of 46 volumes which document each death at Auschwitz
>(each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name,
>profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence,
>parents' names, time of death, and cause of death as determined by a camp
>physician). The records for the most important years, 1942 and 1943, are
>almost complete (there are also a few volumes for the year 1941, but none
>for the year 1944 or January 1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated)). 
>  
>The Auschwitz death books contain the death certificates of some 69,000
>individuals, of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews. You may view various
>entries in the Auschwitz Death Books by clicking on the following links to
>the Auschwitz museum: 
>  
>Using all available wartime records from the various camps it has been
>estimated that between 400,000 and 
>500,000 people died in the German concentration camp system (from all
>causes). 
>  
>The ever declining numbers of alleged dead at Auschwitz, are graphically
>illustrated by the plaques from the camp. 
>  
>The first is the plaque that was on display at the Auschwitz camp from 1948
>until 1989 and states "4 million" victims. 
>  
>The second plaque currently on display at Auschwitz has the dramatically
>reduced number of victims, now only 1.5 million. 
>  
>A casual reduction in the number of deaths by some 2.5 million. 
>  
>Deaths at Auschwitz drop by a stunning 2.5 million, but the legendary
>6,000,000 figure remains the same.
>http://www.rense.com/general62/auch.htm



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On 8 Dec 2005 23:03:36 GMT, Wally Cleaver 
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0000, <11ph7h9mknc6k94@corp.supernews.com>
>kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>In article <1642514.PtBnYVMG7h@Xn1>, 127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>> In article <1134066915.228014.96670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>>Kenny McVay wrote:

>>>> [routine grosvomit]

>>>About the famous "gas chamber" in the Auschwitz I camp, Conan writes: 
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html
>>
>>As to Dr. Piper's response to David Cole, see his letter to the Daily Texan:
>>
>>Archive/File: people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
>>Last-Modified: 1994/11/12
>>
>>
>>                                                     ogwiqcim, October21,1993
>>                Dr Franciszek Piper
>>                Pa'nstwowe Muzeum
>>                32-603 Ogwiecim -Poland

>The above could be a forgery seeing how it is at your website which I have
>proven deals in forgeries!

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
>Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
>Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT
>
>								Tavish
>
>     ~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
>Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
>Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
>(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
>Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
>evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
>Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
>bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" 
>
>
>As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
>is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
>the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
>association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
>Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
>   SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>Date: 1996/09/05
>Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
>Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial 
>improvements in service.
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>
>In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net>, 
>hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:
>
>>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>>talk.
>
>Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
>by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
>work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
>	SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and mail them to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
>and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
>difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
>how my financing changes that.
>
>
>"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
>contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
>-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
>http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
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This month, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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On 30 Sep 2004 18:41:39 -0000,  Student Woes wrote:

>Students complaining about exorbitantly high tuition fees
>should be complaining about all the deadwood profs on
>tenure, drawing obscenely high wages and benefits!!
>
>So-called professors giving unwanted and useless courses
>to 17 so-called students, (most of whom are natives having
>costs paid by taxpayers,) while drawing $120,000 or so in
>wages, is unfair to poor students struggling to pay for
>tuition, books, other fees, and of course living expenses
>such as rent and food.
>
>If the students would finally get angry enough to force
>university administrations to ABOLISH TENURE, then perhaps
>tuition fees would actually drop to a more acceptable level.
>
>Why not abolish all tenured profs, if they can not find enough
>suckers to pay the costs of their wages,class facilities and all
>the other costs connected to having a particular program. In other
>words, have only courses that students who must pay, actually want.
>
>If the courses are not useful to graduates in obtaining
>worthwhile employment, then the university should not be
>having useless profs sucking at the public teat, to the
>increased cost to students as well.
>
>How many so-called university graduates are good only for
>a part-time job at McGrungy's, because the courses for
>which they got ripped-off, are not worth anything in the
>real world of employment!!
>
>FIRE ALL THE USELESS PROFS, [especially those that are PC]
>and let them try to earn a living in the real world.Most of
>these profs would probably have to go on welfare!!
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.
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>



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On 20 May 2006 12:13:41 -0700, bcpg@canada.com wrote:
>Why did HELLBERTA give Harpo the loon 28 SEATS if they are so dead
>against the Conservatives?

because at that time, people actually believed Harpo, and hoped for an
improvement over the Lieberals.

Now that seniors have seen that Harpo doesn't give a damn about them,
seniors will vote against the Purely Constipated party!!

Any one but PC!!


>Haunting Klein wrote:
>> It seems that the Alberta PCs will soon be as extinct as the dinosaurs
>> of Alberta they so well resemble.
>>
>> A few good reasons why the anti-PC backlash is taking place, not only by seniors,
>> but also by ordinary taxpayers.
>>
>> 1.	Klein and gang for too long took the Alberta seniors for granted, and screwed
>> them at every chance they could.
>>
>> Seniors have not forgotten the removal of the $1,200 a year reduction of city taxes!
>> Seniors have not forgotten the massive reduction in seniors' health benefits!
>>
>> 2.	Seniors now know that the Municipal Government Board is there to further screw
>> seniors who appeal their city tax assessments.
>> It seems that to be an MGB judge equivalent, all one has to be is an old fart,
>> with no knowledge of the law, business, or taxes.
>> But one must kiss Ralph's butt frequently!
>>
>> 3.	Seniors did not forget that Ralph gave his ZYD buddies Triple5 $440 MILLION from ATB,
>> which is money from the taxpayers, at the same time that Ralph was busy shafting seniors!!
>>
>> 4.	Ralph is busy giving millions to the filthy rich horse owners, and other sports
>> activities, while he rips off the seniors every way he can.
>>
>> And then King Ralph pouts when his approval rating deservedly plummets!
>> Time for an honest hard working replacement, not another dinosaur like Manning either!
>> If only the Libertarians were running for election in Alberta, instead of staying in Toronto!!
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> -=-
>> This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.



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On Sun, 21 May 2006 03:33:35 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:svfu629963rhgu3k1mn57g9knb81c9fflg@4ax.com...
>> The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>> paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

>Once again, you really really need to buy a new newspaper.

>It's time to move on and ferret out some more "corruption"!
>PV 

How about the story on page B6 of Thursday 18 May 2006, reporting on
yet another crooked cop - Cst. Aubrey Zalaski, charged with torture by
laser of another innocent civilian?

This case was so rotten, even the police chief had to lay criminal
charges, since he couldn't cover it up!

Hardly a week goes by, without the media exposing more rogue cops.



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Deadmonton DOES NOT have a population of over 900,000!!
The city population is just over 500,000!!

The city is using the fictitious figure, to minimise the murder rate
in town!!

Don't forget, that the last 4 cop chiefs have all been canned in
disgrace!
Plus, the crooked cops still have not charged the serial killer of
over 100 women, which is making many think that perhaps it is 
one of the rogue cops doing all the extra murders!!

Apart from all the convictions against city cops for torture, with
more cops constantly being charged, and killing innocent victims like
last week!!

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:27:54 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:

>Edmonton records 37 homicides in 2005 while Toronto records 78.  Considering 
>the relative populations (est. 2004) of these two cities, the per 100,000 
>homicide rate works out to:

>  Edmonton - ( 37 / 947,311 ) * 10^5 = 3.9
>  Toronto - ( 78 / 2,518,772 ) * 10^5 = 3.1

>Oh what a shocker!  You're 25% more likely to become a victim of homicide in 
>Edmonton than Toronto.  What makes me laugh is the Alberta crackpot who 
>claims crime and homicide is somehow special to "Cherrana" and that the 
>problem is mysteriously attributable to "socialism."




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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:02:41 -0500, Bill Gannon
 wrote:
>Tiberius Rex  wrote:

>> Valid question, so far not answered - since the 2 cops charged DID NOT
>> HAVE THE AUTHORITY for the crooked photoradar contract, while the then
>> police chief WAS RESPONSIBLE, WHY HASN'T THE CHIEF ALSO BEEN ARRESTED?

>> The more is exposed about criminal cops in Edmonton, the more the
>> stink goes right to the top!!

>I suppose that you're happy that they gave the job of Chief to one of the 
>runners up for the job of Police Chief in Toronto?

>It takes time to clear up shit.   Michael J. Boyd was well regarded and a 
>favourite to replace Julian Fantino in Toronto, but politics screw the 
>best.   You didn't get a moron, that's for sure.


Perhaps Boyd will finally clean house, and not only FIRE, but also
PROSECUTE all those crooked senior cops that have been infesting EPS
for the last while under the last few disgraced and fired  chiefs of
police!!

This past week the Toronto Police announced massive raids against
gangs, with 78 arrests.

Why was this not done while Boyd was Deputy Chief in Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about skyrocketing crime in Deadmonton, now
that Boyd is chief there?

Hmmmm........

Only then will the public start to have any confidence in the local
cops. - when the crooked seargeants and inspectors and the like go to
jail!


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The key point for suing the city of Edmonton, concerns the documented
fact that the cops took more than 30 minutes to show up for a MURDER,
after more than 4 calls to 911!! 

Thanks to the criminal negligence of the crooked cops, essential
witnesses, and evidence was allowed to disappear, thereby aiding and
abetting the murderers!1 One must wonder whether some of the cops are
friends or relatives of the murderers, and deliberately delayed
attending?

The bus driver called his emergency people. ETS emergency called
repeatedly to the cops, who must have been elsewhere - dealing drugs,
getting serviced by their prostitutes, or what?

This is criminal, and the senior officers involved deserve to be FIRED
FOR JUST CAUSE!!

Coming on top of all the other scandals involving crooked cops, no
wonder the new chief is getting annoyed


On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:06:21 GMT, John Fleming 
wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:40:04 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>scriptorium, "Bob Loblaw"  wrote:
>
>> $The City should be sued for this murder because:
>> $
>> $1. The bus driver allowed the four drunk(impaired) men aged 16 and 17 to
>> $board the bus.
>
>By and large, most drunks are pretty harmless.
>
>If they seem a bit more rowdy, an ETS bus driver can call for help.
>Earlier this year, I was on a bus with someone in the back who was,
>perhaps, a little on the inebrieated side.  He was loud rather than
>dangerous.  When the bus pulled into the next terminal, a couple of ETS
>security people were waiting to get this guy off the bus.  They handled
>it very calmly and very professionally and without further incident.
>
>> $2. The bus driver did not assist to prevent the attack...ETS should take
>> $care of their paying passengers or post signs stating "ETS does not
>> $guaranttee safety on this vehicle".
>
>So one bus driver is going to get out of his seat, walk down the aisle
>of the bus, and ask these four guys to stop it?  Under the
>circumstances, the best the bus driver could do is call for help.
>
>> $3. The cops took over 30 minutes to show up...they don't like there doughnut
>> $breaks to be interrupted.

>On this point I agree.  Had the victim survived, we'd be talking a less
>serious offence of aggravated assault causing bodily harm.  As it
>stands, we are talking manslaughter charges against the four youths.

>Further, if police and EMS responded sooner (and this is pure
>speculation on my part), the victim might still be alive.
>
>> $4. Mayor Mandel says it is safe to ride....how would that dip shit know
>> $anything about that? How can it be safe when you have a corpse in the
>> $medical examiners office?
>
>How long have you been riding buses in this city?  I have to agree with
>the mayor.  Generally, riding the bus is pretty safe, and nasty as this
>weekend's incident is, it is not the norm on ETS buses.  Tens of
>thousands of Edmontonians ride the bus every day without incident.
>
>> $5. Whoever provided the booze or drugs to the group of four underaged creeps
>> $should also be sued.
>
>If drugs were involved, the person giving these kids drugs should be in
>jail.  'nuff said.
>
>> $At court friends and family say the group of four killers are "really nice"
>> $guys....Where are the parents of these drunken murderers?...The parents
>> $should be sued as well for bringing these assholes into the world.
>
>The truth will come out soon enough.
>
>> $The government gets the tax money for selling the booze..ETS gets a fare
>> $paid by a dead guy...the government gets GST on all funeral costs, the
>> $government doesn't have to pay pension for dead people...Hey do the
>> $government and City really give a shit?
>
>Dead people don't pay taxes either.
>
>I think you need to separate this from the beating on the bus.  The two
>are completely unrelated.



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The crooked cops, is the real problem.

Remember a couple of years ago, when the crooked chief cop pleaded at
city council for taxpayers to spend some 12 millions of dollars for a
Mill Woods cop shop, SUPPOSED TO REDUCE DRASTICALLY POLICE 
RESPONSE TIME IN SOUTH EDMONTON?

Where were all the crooked cops?
Dealing drugs, shacking up, or what?
Now, after almost a week, they claim they were "doing administrative
functions", instead of attending at a murder!! Pure BS and lies!!

Remember the taxpayers being forced to pay several millions a year,
for the toy called the copper chopper Air1?
Why wasn't it used to catch the 4 murdering thugs?

In the more than half hour that the crooked cops took to show up at
the murder scene, how many important witnesses disappeared, literally
by walking away?

How much essential evidence also disappeared, because the cops were
too busy doing whatever, instead of responding to a murder?

It is now time to FIRE FOR JUST CAUSE, ALL THE SENIOR COPS involved,
even before they fake up a cover-up!!


On 7 Mar 2006 11:10:39 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>PV wrote:
>
>> From the Edmonton Journal:
>> At 9:01 p.m., ETS control called in an emergency. Five minutes later,
>> paramedics were on the scene. A minute later, an ETS inspector was also
>> there.
>> Police were notified at 9:05 p.m. In the next 25 minutes, they were called
>> three more times, with an ETS control operator urging them to get to the
>> scene, said the employee.
>>
>> At 9:23 p.m., police were told the victim of the attack had died - the
>> assault became a homicide. Police arrived seven minutes later.
>>
>> http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=88a7b166-5e42-4074-a9b4-24525e7af130&k=83948
>>
>> Paramedics were there fast, police were late to the party, in fact it wasn't
>> until it turned into murder did they rush to the scene.  However the police
>> presence would make no difference whether the poor soul lived or died.  EMS
>> were there within 5 minutes but still too late.
>
>Clearly police response time is a major issue here, and I hope our
>mayor and our new police chief take steps to address this issue.
>
>Thirty minutes to respond to a serious assault alone is a problem.
>Let's not talk about the victim dying and the incident turning into a
>homicide.
>
>I want to know what the problem was, and I want to see it corrected
>before another incident like this happens.



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What do you expect from Zionazi-owner garbage wrapper, owned by the
Asper family?

On Sun, 21 May 2006 17:10:30 -0400, "Islam Will Replace Collapsing
Amerikan Empire"  wrote:

>Canadian daily trash 'National Post' spread lies about Iran
>
>Australian neocon, John Howard, "has reacted with horror to a new Iranian 
>law forcing Jews and Christians to wear colored badges," reports National 
>Nine News. "The Iranian parliament passed a law this week setting a dress 
>code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical 'standard 
>Islamic garments', Canadian newspaper the National Post reports," while 
>failing to mention the National Post is swamped with neocons and was owned 
>by Israel Harold "Izzy" Asper, a prominent member of Canada's Jewish 
>community and energetic defender of Zionism until his death in October, 
>2003.
>
>http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23425&hd=0&size=1&l=e 
>



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As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
gangs.

Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?

Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!

Sharx, and Top Poster, comments?


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On Sun, 21 May 2006 03:33:35 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:svfu629963rhgu3k1mn57g9knb81c9fflg@4ax.com...
>> The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>> paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

>Once again, you really really need to buy a new newspaper.

>It's time to move on and ferret out some more "corruption"!
>PV 

How about the story on page B6 of Thursday 18 May 2006, reporting on
yet another crooked cop - Cst. Aubrey Zalaski, charged with torture by
laser of another innocent civilian?

This case was so rotten, even the police chief had to lay criminal
charges, since he couldn't cover it up!

Hardly a week goes by, without the media exposing more rogue cops.



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On 30 Sep 2004 18:41:39 -0000,  Student Woes wrote:

>Students complaining about exorbitantly high tuition fees
>should be complaining about all the deadwood profs on
>tenure, drawing obscenely high wages and benefits!!
>
>So-called professors giving unwanted and useless courses
>to 17 so-called students, (most of whom are natives having
>costs paid by taxpayers,) while drawing $120,000 or so in
>wages, is unfair to poor students struggling to pay for
>tuition, books, other fees, and of course living expenses
>such as rent and food.
>
>If the students would finally get angry enough to force
>university administrations to ABOLISH TENURE, then perhaps
>tuition fees would actually drop to a more acceptable level.
>
>Why not abolish all tenured profs, if they can not find enough
>suckers to pay the costs of their wages,class facilities and all
>the other costs connected to having a particular program. In other
>words, have only courses that students who must pay, actually want.
>
>If the courses are not useful to graduates in obtaining
>worthwhile employment, then the university should not be
>having useless profs sucking at the public teat, to the
>increased cost to students as well.
>
>How many so-called university graduates are good only for
>a part-time job at McGrungy's, because the courses for
>which they got ripped-off, are not worth anything in the
>real world of employment!!
>
>FIRE ALL THE USELESS PROFS, [especially those that are PC]
>and let them try to earn a living in the real world.Most of
>these profs would probably have to go on welfare!!
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.
>The original sender is unknown.  Any address shown in the From header
>is unverified.
>



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At the hearing today, it was revealed that Richard Warman has so far
charged more than 20 innocent Canadians under the Canadian Human
Rights Tribunals.

Apparently he enjoys charging people with a different political
philosophy.

He particularly dislikes people who are critical of immigrants,
homosexuals, and jews.

To add insult to injury, he gets paid by the government and
taxpapyers, to persecute people.

It was also revealed at today's hearing, that Glenn Barr is also
charged under section 319 of the Canada Criminal Code, for the same
allegations as Warman is charging under the CHRC!!
In other words, double charging.

As was stated at the Hearing today, the proceedings are what one would
expect from North Korea, or similar communist country.

Paul Fromm is not giving up without a good defensive attack, on those
who would abolish freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and freedom
of assembly in communist Canada.

If you want to support Glenn Bahr, and decent humans and civil
liberties,then show up at the Hearings, which will be lasting for at
least another week.

The kangaroo court hearing of the Canadian Human Rights Commission is
being held  on the 6th floor.in the Queen Elizabeth West Conference
room, in the Delta Centre Suite Hotel, downtown Edmonton.

On 23 May 2006 20:56:01 -0000, Warmonger  wrote:

>> From: "Paul Fromm" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Free Speech Hearing Opens in Edmonton, May 23 COME OUT &
>> SUPPORT GLENN BAHR
>> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 01:51:51 -0400

>> Canadian Association for Free Expression
>> Box 332,
>> Rexdale, Ontario, M9W 5L3
>> Ph: 905-897-7221; FAX: 905-277-3914

>> May 21, 2006
>> For Immediate Release

>> Free Speech Hearing Opens in Edmonton, May 23

>> Glenn Bahr an Edmonton political activist appears before a Canadian Human
>> Rights Tribunal in Edmonton, Tuesday, May 23. Bahr faces charges laid by
>> Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman, who has filed over 20 human rights complaints
>> to close down Internet sites of tax protesters, immigration reformers, or
>> free speech advocates.

>> The charges stem out of a website created by a group called Western Canada
>> for Us. The group was active in Alberta in early 2004. Dedicated to
>> immigration reform and free speech, it attracted the attention of  the hate
>> squad of the Edmonton Police Service.

>> "This hearing will expose the Edmonton Police hate squad acting as political
>> police, surveilling and harassing young folks for nothing more than
>> political dissent," says Paul Fromm, Director of the Canadian Association
>> for Free Expression, who is representing Mr. Bahr at the hearings, scheduled
>> to last from May 23 to June 2.

>>             In a separate action Mr. Bahr filed a complaint against Const.
>> Stephen Camp who headed the hate squad of the Edmonton Police.

>>             "Hastily passed anti-terrorism legislation in 2001, gave  the
>> Canadian Human Rights Commission censorship powers over the Internet. Truth
>> is no defence, if you criticize privileged minorities," says Fromm who has
>> extensive experience in combating Internet censorship.
>
>>             "The federal government is spending a fortune spying on young
>> people, kids really, for their Internet postings and, then., bankrupting
>> them through costly tribunal hearings, " Fromm explains.
>
>>             "The Canadian Human Rights Commission are bullies and cowards,"
>> Fromm charges. "They've refused any financial aid to Mr. Bahr, who is
>> penniless and cannot afford a proper defence which might cost him $30,000.
>> They pick on kids. I notice they don't go after major record companies which
>> put the lyrics and music to poisonous sexist and racist rap music on the
>> Internet and, then, make money from this music," he adds.
>
>>             The Glenn Bahr tribunal will be held in the Queen Eilzabeth WEST Room,
>> 6th Floor, in the Delta Edmonton Centre Hotel(10222 - 102 Street) Edmonton at 9:30, May 23.
>
>> --30-
>
>> The Canadian Association for Free Expression (CAFE), [Box 332, Rexdale, ON.
>> M9W 5L3.] CAFE was founded in 1981 and is Canada's leading advocate for free
>> speech. It has intervened in a number of court cases and human rights
>> tribunals and is especially concerned about government censorship of the
>> Internet. CAFE publishes the monthly Free Speech Monitor.  ($15).
>
>> The Canadian Association for Free Expression Presents
>> Paul Fromm
>
>> * Winner 1995 George Orwell Free Speech Award
>> You, Shut Up! How Gov't Silences Dissent in Canada
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>



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But what about their BOSS  the chief getting charged? WHEN?
These flunkies did not have control of the situation - the chief did.
Was he the one who scammed a severance of $308,000?

Now it seems more scams are getting uncovered, such as for the police
radios, computers, bullets, and so forth.

It seems that a chief purchasing agent preferred that his buddies
supplying, not go to public tender where the taxpayers might get
better pricing from competitors!!

Now the media have exposed the scam involving cops and the hockey game
swindle!! Claiming that it was all for a charity, when only around 10%
actually went to a charity - WITHOUT THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN CONSENT OF
THE CHARITY!!



On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:36:22 GMT, "Bob Loblaw"
 wrote:

>They are being punished...they are suspended "with pay"..I call that a
>holiday.


>"KATO"  wrote in message
>news:Z3GQ1R2U38771.6328009259@twistycreek.com...
>> Notice this morning, Saturday 18 February there was huge breakfast meeting
>of cops,
>> about 50 of them instead of the usual 4 to 6 at the Roslyn .
>> Guess a lot of the crooked cops must be getting nervous as to who next
>will be
>> getting a prison sentence.
>> It seems that crooks in jail know how to take care of crooked cops....
>>
>> Edmonton media are having a field day today, following the RCMP finally
>charging
>> 2 senior Edmonton Cops,as well as the Texas photoradar business.
>>
>> This follows a long investigation regarding the Texas photo radar firm
>bribing senior
>> Edmonton cops, including the former acting chief, to get the lucrative $90
>million
>> contract.
>>
>> The cops failed to reveal that they were in charge of a $400,000 bank
>account derived
>> from kickback fees on every photoradar ticket!!
>>
>> Why the former acting chief is not yet charged has not been explained,
>since he has
>> freely admitted receiving bribes of hockey tickets from the photoradar
>firm!!
>>
>> What about the previous police chiefs who HAD to know about the scam?
>> Why aren't THEY getting charged? Courtesy for a brother crook?
>>
>> New police chief Boyd surely did not need yet another scandal to tarnish
>the already
>> sullied reputation of this discreditable police farce!!
>> Unless he has the balls to not only FIRE, but also PROSECUTE the rogue
>cops, even those
>> at a senior level, he can only expect more bad news, which is already in
>the works.
>>
>>
>



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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councvillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Mike Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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The original poster was not complaining about CRA doing free tax
returns for pensioners and the like.

The complaint was about doing for FREE tax returns for those making as
individuals $25,000.

These people can easily afford the low fees charged by competent
businesses for simple tax returns.

As for couples making $37,500 they should not be getting their tax
returns prepared for FREE, but should go to a professional.

As for your inane comment about preparing a tax return in 2 minutes,
it is obvious that you do not fill in any tax return in Canada!

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:47:32 -0500, "Sharon Voskamp"
 wrote:

>For your information, CRA has been doing this volunteer program for about 25
>years.

>The people that mainly use this service are welfare recipients, seniors,
>handicapped and new immigrants to the country.

>I think it is a great service. I am tired of the places that charge $50 and
>up to prepare a return with a T5007 and rent. It takes 3 minutes and you
>have just made over $600 an hour. What a rip off.

>I hope they keep doing it.





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On Sun, 21 May 2006 03:33:35 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:svfu629963rhgu3k1mn57g9knb81c9fflg@4ax.com...
>> The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>> paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

>Once again, you really really need to buy a new newspaper.

>It's time to move on and ferret out some more "corruption"!
>PV 

How about the story on page B6 of Thursday 18 May 2006, reporting on
yet another crooked cop - Cst. Aubrey Zalaski, charged with torture by
laser of another innocent civilian?

This case was so rotten, even the police chief had to lay criminal
charges, since he couldn't cover it up!

Hardly a week goes by, without the media exposing more rogue cops.



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As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
gangs.

Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?

Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!

Sharx, and Top Poster, comments?


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As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
gangs.

Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?

Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!
Why no anti-gang activity by the cops while Mike Boyd was 
running the show?

Sharx, and Top Poster, comments?



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On 8 Dec 2005 23:03:36 GMT, Wally Cleaver 
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0000, <11ph7h9mknc6k94@corp.supernews.com>
>kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>In article <1642514.PtBnYVMG7h@Xn1>, 127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>> In article <1134066915.228014.96670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>>Kenny McVay wrote:

>>>> [routine grosvomit]

>>>About the famous "gas chamber" in the Auschwitz I camp, Conan writes: 
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html
>>
>>As to Dr. Piper's response to David Cole, see his letter to the Daily Texan:
>>
>>Archive/File: people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
>>Last-Modified: 1994/11/12
>>
>>
>>                                                     ogwiqcim, October21,1993
>>                Dr Franciszek Piper
>>                Pa'nstwowe Muzeum
>>                32-603 Ogwiecim -Poland

>The above could be a forgery seeing how it is at your website which I have
>proven deals in forgeries!

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
>Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
>Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT
>
>								Tavish
>
>     ~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
>Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
>Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
>(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
>Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
>evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
>Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
>bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" 
>
>
>As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
>is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
>the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
>association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
>Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
>   SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>Date: 1996/09/05
>Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
>Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial 
>improvements in service.
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>
>In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net>, 
>hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:
>
>>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>>talk.
>
>Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
>by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
>work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
>	SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and mail them to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
>and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
>difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
>how my financing changes that.
>
>
>"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
>contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
>-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
>http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
>(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)
>
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Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
Police Toronto?

If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.

Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
wonder also.

Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
Toronto?

In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!

But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
whether the killer is one of the cops?


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Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
Police Toronto?

If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.

Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
wonder also.

Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
Toronto?

In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!

But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
whether the killer is one of the cops?


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Subject: Re: Jewish food tax - companies that pay it - Repost
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:33:28 -0400, "USNSM"  wrote:

>They pass on the cost to the consumer. This hidden tax cost Americans 100's 
>of millions each year.  Look in your refrigerator or cabinets and see how 
>many items in there have the "k" or the "u" symbol. They have to pay Jewish 
>rabbis to get those kosher symbols put on their food. Here is a small list 
>of companies who pay the tax

> 15TH AVENUE INC.
>A BAGUETTE BAR
>A SOUTHERN SEASON
>A. FODERA & SONS INC.
>AB NORDBAKELS
>ABACO INC.
>ACIDCHEM INTERNATIONAL SDN. BHD.
>ADOHR FARMS (DIV. OF SUIZA) PLANT #06-70
>AGRAZ S.A.
>AGRI-MARK - PLANT #50-40
>AGROINDUSTRIAS CEPIA S.A.
>AGUSA, INC.
>AHOLD USA
>AHOLD USA, INC.
>AIR STREAM FOODS
>AISAN CHEMICAL CO., LTD.
>AIYA AMERICA INC.
>AJINOMOTO CO., INC.
>AJINOMOTO U.S.A., INC.
>AKZO-NOBEL CHEMICALS, INC.
>AL GELATO, OGGI, INC.
>ALBERTSON'S INC.
>ALCAN FOIL PRODUCTS
>ALDI, INC.
>ALEXIA FOODS LLC
>ALFREBRO, INC.
>ALIMENTOS KAMUK INT. C.R. S.A.
>ALL KITCHENS OF AMERICA
>ALLAN CHEMICAL CORP
>ALLIANT FOODSERVICE
>ALLIED INTERNATIONAL CORP.
>ALTHAEA N.V.
>ALTO DAIRY COOPERATIVE, PLANT #55-0863
>ALTO DAIRY COOPERATIVE, PLANT #55-112
>AMAZON CAFE (S.I.A.E.A.1. INC.)
>AMERICAN ALMOND PRODUCTS CO.
>AMERICAN BAKELS, INC.
>AMERICAN CLASSIC SPECIALTIES CORP.
>AMERICAN GROWERS FOODS
>AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL CHEMICAL
>AMERICAN KEY FOOD PRODUCTS
>AMERICAN PROCUREMENT & LOGISTICS
>AMERICAN ROLAND FOOD CORP.
>AMERICAN SOY PRODUCTS, INC.
>AMERICAN STORES COMPANY
>AMERICAN SUGAR REFINING INC.
>AMERICAN VALUE BRANDS
>AMERICAN YEAST SALES
>AMERIPAC CHEMICAL CORPORATION
>AMERIPAC YONG CHANG CHEMICAL CO. LTD.
>AMT LABS, INC.
>ANDERSON DAIRY
>ANDERSON INTERNATIONAL FOODS
>APAC CHEMICAL CORPORATION
>APK INC.
>APPLETON PRODUCE CO.
>ARAMARK
>ARAYASSI, INC.
>ARC-MEN FOOD INDUSTRIES CORPORATION
>ARISTA INDUSTRIES, INC.
>ARROWHEAD MILLS INC.
>ARWAY CONFECTIONS, INC.
>ASAF INTERNATIONAL, INC. (AROMA KOSHER RESTAU)
>ASAHI DENKA CO., LTD.
>ASAHI FOOD & HEALTHCARE CO., LTD.
>ASAP FOOD PRODUCTS
>ASBO DESHIDRATADOS LTDA.
>ASHLAND CHEMICAL, INC.
>ASHLAND DISTRIBUTION COMPANY
>ASHLAND DISTRIBUTION COMPANY A DIV OF ASHLAND INC.
>ASSOCIATED BRANDS INC.
>ASSOCIATED BRANDS, INC. (ONTARIO FOODS)
>ASSOCIATED FOOD STORES
>ASSOCIATED WHOLESALE GROCERS, INC.
>ASTOR PRODUCTS, INC.
>ATHENS PASTRIES & FROZEN FOODS
>ATKINSON PECAN CANDIES
>ATLANTIC QUALITY SPICE & SEASONINGS
>ATLAS PRESERVES CO., INC.
>AUSTIN SPECIAL FOODS COMPANY (ASFC)
>AVATAR CORPORATION
>AZAR NUT COMPANY
>B&B INTERNATIONAL CONNECTIONS, INC.
>B&G S.R.L.
>B.J.'S WHOLESALE CLUB
>BADIA SPICES, INC.
>BAGEL TIME RESTAURANT
>BAGELTIME
>BAKE LINE PRODUCTS, INC.
>BAKEMARK - RAMCO DIST.
>BAKEMARK-BUFFALO
>BAKER'S CHOICE CONFECTIONARY
>BAKERY DISTRIBUTERS OF AMERICA
>BALDWIN RICHARDSON FOODS CO.
>BALFORD FARMS
>BALTIMORE INGREDIENTS INTERNATIONAL
>BALTIMORE INGREDIENTS INTERNATIONAL (R)
>BARKAN WINE CELLARS LTD.
>BARLEANS ORGANIC OIL
>BARONA CASINO
>BARRY CALLEBAUT BELGIUM NV
>BARRY CALLEBAUT CANADA INC.
>BARRY CALLEBAUT USA INC.
>BARUCH RESTAURANT
>BASF CORPORATION
>BASF CORPORATION (FREEPORT, TX)
>BASF CORPORATION (GEISMAR, LA)
>BASIC CHEMICAL SOLUTIONS
>BASIC CHEMICAL SOLUTIONS (PVS)
>BASIC FOOD FLAVORS
>BECKER'S MILK & ICE CREAM
>BEE NATURAL HONEY CO., INC.
>BEHN MEYER INTERNATIONAL TRADING SDN BHD
>BEIJING TIANLIHAI CHEMICAL CO., LTD.
>BELGOMILK - LANGEMARK BELGIUM
>BELL BAGEL
>BEN E. KEITH FOODS
>BENZ'S FOOD PROD., INC.
>BERG & SCHMIDT
>BERG + SCHMIDT
>BEST BRANDS CO. LTD. (MEILLEURES MARQUES)
>BI-LO
>BIG 8 ADVERTISING L.C.
>BIG BOY FOOD GROUP LLC
>BIG Y FOODS, INC.
>BIO EXTRACT GMBH
>BIOCON DEL PERU S.A.
>BISCUITS LECLERC LTD.
>BISSALEH CAFE
>BISTRO GRILL
>BLOCKBUSTER ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
>BLOMMER CHOCOLATE COMPANY
>BLUE & WHITE FOOD CORP.
>BLUE DIAMOND GROWERS
>BLUE RIDGE FARMS, INC.
>BLUE SQUARE LTD.
>BLUE SUN LLC TRADER JOES
>BLUEDOG ASSOCIATES, INC.
>BMF INC.
>BON SUISSE INC.
>BOOKBINDER'S FOOD DIVISION
>BORDEN
>BOTANICALS INTERNATIONAL-ZETAPHARMS
>BOTANICALS INTL EXTRACTS-A HAUSER CO.
>BOULDER POTATO CO.
>BOULDER STATION
>BOUWHUIS EIPRODUKTEN B.V.
>BRAND AROMATICS
>BRANDS & BRANDS, LLC
>BREWSTER DAIRY (STOCKTON CHEESE) #17-565
>BREWSTER DAIRY, INC.
>BREWSTER DAIRY, INC., PLANT # 39-101
>BRISKA INC.
>BRITE WAY FOODS
>BROADWAY CAFE PIZZA & HEALTH BAR
>BROOK FARMS - NEW HAMPSHIRE LABEL
>BROOKSIDE PRODUCTS LTD.
>BRUNO'S
>C & D DETERGENTS
>CAFE CLASSICO
>CAHOKIA FLOUR COMPANY
>CAHOKIA-BAKEMARK
>CAL-WESTERN TRANSPORT, INC.
>CALGON CORPORATION
>CALIFORNIA PRETZEL CO., INC.
>CALIFORNIA PRUNE PACKING CO.
>CAMPOS BROS. FARMS
>CANANDAIGUA WEST INC.
>CAPCO ENTERPRISES INC.
>CAPITAL ENTERPRISE
>CAPPUCCINO AMERICANA CORP.
>CARGILL INC.
>CARGILL PALM PRODUCTS SDN BHD
>CARGILL SPECIALTY OILS & FATS SDN BHD
>CARL BRANDT GMBH & CO.
>CARLSBERG BREWERIES A/S
>CARVEL ICE CREAM
>CATANIA-SPAGNA CORPORATION
>CATERING BY SOLA
>CELLA'S CONFECTIONS, INC.
>CENTO FINE FOODS
>CENTRAL GROCERS COOPERATIVE, INC.
>CENTURY FOODS INTERNATIONAL
>CENTURY FOODS POWDER (55-349)
>CEREAL PROCESSING, INC.
>CEREOL NOVENYOLAJIPARI RT. MAGYARORZAG
>CERTIFIED GROCERS MIDWEST INC.
>CERTIFIED GROCERS OF CALIFORNIA, LTD.
>CESALPINIA FOOD SPA
>CHADLER U.S.A, INC.
>CHAI CUISINE
>CHALLENGE DAIRY PRODUCTS, INC.
>CHEMCENTRAL
>CHEMCENTRAL SOUTHWEST, L.P.
>CHEMICAL DISTRIBUTORS INC.
>CHEMSON GMBH
>CHERYL & CO.
>CHEVRON/TEXACO GLOBAL LUBRICANTS
>CHICAGO SWEETENERS INC.
>CHINA VITAMINS, LLC
>CHOICE PRODUCTS USA, LLC.
>CHR. HANSEN A/S
>CHR. HANSEN, INC.
>CHRISTOPHER RANCH II, L.L.C.
>CIA INDUSTRIAL DEL LUKUS, S.A.
>CINDERELLA SWEETS
>CINE CITTA CAFFE
>CIRCUS CIRCUS HOTEL CASINO
>CITROSUCO NORTH AMERICA, INC.
>CITURGIA BIOCHEMICALS LIMITED
>CLARK PRODUCTS INC.
>CLARK RETAIL ENTERPRISES(WHITE HEN)
>CLASSIC EGG PRODUCTS, INC.
>CLASSIC FLAVORS & FRAGRANCES
>CLEANSE-TEC
>CLEARSPRING LIMITED
>CLEMENT PAPPAS & CO., INC.
>CLOVERHILL PASTRY VEND CORPORATION
>CMEC XINJIANG FOODSTUFF CO., LTD.
>CODE-EMCO FOODSERVICE
>COFFEE MASTERS, INC.
>COGNIS CORPORATION
>COGNIS DEUTSCHLAND GMBH & CO. KG
>COGNIS FRANCE
>COGNIS FRANCE - BOUSSENS
>COGNIS NUTRITION TECHNOLOGY
>COIFIOCCHI RESTAURANT
>COLABOT CANADA (1973) LTEE
>COLAVITA U.S.A.
>COLD ALEX FOR FOOD PROCESSING
>COLOMBINA, S.A.
>COLORADO BELLE
>COMMUNITY COFFEE COMPANY, LLC
>COMPANIA LICORERA DE NICARAGUA S.A.
>COMPASS FOODS, INC.
>COMSOURCE
>COMSOURCE INDEPENDENT FOODSERVICE COMPANIES, INC.
>CON AGRA FOODS LTD.
>CONAGRA DIVERSIFIED FOOD PRODUCTS COMPANY
>CONAGRA FOODS RETAIL PRODUCTS CO. GROCERY FOODS GROUP
>CONAGRA FOODS SNACK FOODS GROUP POPCORN DIVISION
>CONAGRA GROCERY PRODUCTS LIMITED
>CONCORD FOODS, INC.
>CONSERVAS VEGETALES DE EXTREMADURA, S.A.
>CONSORZIO BIOITALIA ALIMENTARE
>CONSUMER BRANDED PROFESSIONAL PRODUCTS DIV, JOHNSONDIVERSEY INC.
>COOK IN A CROCK
>COOK NATURAL PRODUCTS
>COOKIE KINGDOM
>COOKIE KINGDOM, INC.
>CORRADO SPECIALTY GOODS, INC.
>COSMO'S FOOD PRODUCTS
>COUNTRY COFFEE, INC.
>COW TREE DISTRIBUTORS INC.
>CP KELCO APS
>CP KELCO GERMANY GMBH
>CP KELCO PHILIPPINES, INC.
>CRACKER BARREL OLD COUNTRY STORES
>CRISTALIA ACQUISITION CORP.
>CRODA SINGAPORE PTE. LTD.
>CROSSWIND FOODS, INC.
>CWG PRODUCTS
>CYANOTECH CORPORATION
>CYTEC INDUSTRIES INC.
>CYTEC INDUSTRIES UK LTD.
>DACOSTA & CO
>DAGAN PIZZA
>DAICEL CHEMICAL INDUSTIRES, ARAI
>DAICEL CHEMICAL INDUSTRIES, LTD.
>DAIRFAIR FARMS
>DAIRY FRESH FOODS INC.
>DAIRY MARKETING ALLIANCE, LLC
>DALIAN F.T.Z. WENDA INTERNATIONAL TRADE
>DAN-D FOODS
>DANISCO MALAYSIA SDN BHD
>DANNY'S RESTAURANT
>DARNA RESTAURANT
>DAVID MICHAEL & CO., INC.
>DAVID ROSEN BAKERS SUPPLY
>DAVIS GRANDE
>DAWN FOOD PRODUCTS
>DAWN FOOD PRODUCTS,INC
>DEAN BRENNAN TRANSPORT, INC.
>DEAN FOODS (KENTUCKY)
>DEB-EL FOODS
>DECOPAC
>DEEP SOUTH PRODUCTS
>DEEP SOUTH PRODUCTS INC.
>DEGUSSA
>DEGUSSA FLAVORS
>DEGUSSA TEXTURANT SYSTEMS
>DEHYDRATES, INC.
>DEL MAR FOOD PRODUCTS CORP.
>DEL MONTE FRESH PRODUCE
>DELAFAILLE NV
>DELI KASBAH
>DELICIOUS PIZZA SHOP
>DELL'S MARASCHINO CHERRIES CO.
>DEMASA HEARTS OF PALM DIVISION
>DESERT HERB COMPANY
>DETROIT CITY DAIRY
>DEVANSOY FARMS
>DIAMOND DISTRICT CLUB--DIAMANTE PIZZA
>DIDCO IMPORTS CORP.
>DINESEN TRADING COMPANY
>DINTER GMBH
>DMV U.S.A.
>DOMANI RISTORANTE
>DOMINICK'S FINER FOODS
>DOMINION PRODUCTS, INC.
>DORVAL TRADING CO., LTD.
>DOUGIE'S BBQ NYC
>DSM BAKERY INGREDIENTS B.V.
>DSM FOOD SPECIALTIES (DAIRY INGREDIENTS)
>DSM FOOD SPECIALTIES B.V.
>DSM FOOD SPECIALTIES USA, INC. (SAVORY)
>DUBOIS-NATURAL ESTERS SDN BHD
>DUNKIN' DONUTS
>DUSO CHEMICAL COMPANY, INC.
>DUTCH COCOA BV
>DUTCH VALLEY FOOD DIST.(BULK FOODS INC)
>E.J. COX CO. INC.
>EAGLE FOOD STORES
>EAGLE SPICE AND EXTRACT CO.
>EASTERN BULK TRANSPORT, INC.
>EASTERN MALT CORPORATION
>EBRO FOODS, INC.
>EDEN FOODS
>EDGEWATER HOTEL CASINO
>EDWARD DON & CO.
>EEE'S BAKERY AND CAFE
>EGON HIRSCH GMBH & CO., KG
>ELGIN DAIRY FOODS, INC.
>ELI'S BREAD, INC.
>ELITE FOODS, LTD
>ELITE INDUSTRIES LTD.
>EM HACHITA
>EMCO CHEMICAL
>EMCO FOODSERVICE SYSTEMS
>EMERALD CATERING
>EMERALD INDUSTRIES DIVISION
>EMERSON MARKETING CO.
>ENERGY BEVERAGE CO., INC.
>ENGELHARD CORP-CHEMICAL CATALYST GROUP
>ENGELHARD CORP. CHEMICAL CATALYSTS GROUP
>ENGELHARD DE MEERN B.V.
>ESTERCHEM (M) SDN BHD
>ESTERCHEM(M)SDN.BHD.
>ESTEROL SDN BHD
>EUROCOM SRL
>EUROLAT S.P.A.
>EUROMAS NV
>EUROPA GRILL
>EXCALIBUR HOTEL CASINO
>EXTRA MARKETING
>F.B. WASHBURN CANDY CORPORATION
>F.LLI DAMIANO E C.S.R.L.
>FACI ASIA PACIFIC PTE LTD
>FAIRWAY MARKETS
>FAME MARKETING CORP.
>FAME MARKETING CORPORATION
>FAMOUS FIXINS, INC.
>FAR EAST INDUSTRIES, INC.
>FAREWAY STORES
>FARMERS DAIRIES
>FARMLAND PRODUCTS
>FATTAL'S BAKERY & GROCERY
>FATTY CHEMICALS (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD
>FAZER BAKERIES LTD.
>FCI TECHNOLIGIES, INC.
>FEDERATED FOOD GROUP, INC.
>FERRO PFANSTIEHL LABORATORIES, INC.
>FETTRAFFINERIE BRAKE
>FIBRE CHEMICALS
>FIESTA BRANDS, INC.
>FIESTA CANNING COMPANY, INC.
>FIESTA MART INC.
>FIGUEROA BROTHERS, INC
>FILTERFRESH CORP.
>FINEST BRAND FOODS DIST. CO.
>FIRST GRADE AGENCY PTE LTD
>FIRST SPICE MIXING CO.
>FIRST SPICE MIXING CO., INC.
>FLASH FOODS
>FLAVOR & FOOD INGREDIENTS INC.
>FLAVOR CONCEPTS, INC.
>FLAVOR DYNAMICS, INC.
>FLAVORMATIC INDUSTRIES, INC.
>FLAVORS OF NORTH AMERICA
>FLEISCHMANN'S YEAST, DIVISION OF BURNS PHILP FOOD
>FLEMING
>FLEMING COMPANIES, INC.
>FLEMING COMPANIES,INC
>FLEURCHEM, INC.
>FOIL LAMINATING INC.
>FONTESANA
>FOOD EMPORIUM
>FOOD HANDLER INC.
>FOOD LION, LLC
>FOOD SERVICE OF AMERICA
>FOOD TOWN
>FOOD TRADING CORP. OF AMERICA
>FOODHOLD U.S.A., INC.
>FOODHOLD USA
>FOODTOWN
>FORD'S FOODS,INC.
>FOREMAN FOODS INC.
>FOREMOST FARMS USA
>FORMOSA PLASTIC CORP., USA
>FOSTER FARMS DAIRY
>FRANK A. SERIO & SONS, INC.
>FRANK C. ALEGRE TRUCKING, INC.
>FRANKENMUTH FUNDRAISING CORP
>FRANKLIN BAKER COCONUT
>FRANKLIN CONNECTIONS L.P.
>FRED MEYER
>FRED MEYER, INC.
>FREEDOM TRAIL MIX
>FRESH EXPRESS
>FRESNO TRUCKWASH
>FRIEDMAN'S FISH
>FRIENDLY ICE CREAM CORPORATION
>FRINGS AMERICA INC.
>FROSTY ACRES BRANDS
>FRUIT A FREEZE
>FRY'S FOOD AND DRUG STORE
>FURR'S SUPERMARKETS, INC.
>G. SCACCIANOCE & CO.
>G.M.V. CHOCOLATES
>GALLO PROTEIN - PLANT #06-77
>GALORE FOODS, INC.
>GAMAY FOODS, INC.
>GANDY'S DAIRIES INC.
>GANI PRODUCTS, INC.
>GARDEN BY THE COURT
>GARDEN SPOT DISTRIBUTORS
>GARELICK FARMS
>GARY NULL ASSOC
>GAT FOODS
>GATEWAY TERMINAL SERVICES
>GENERAL MILLS, INC. FOODSERVICE DIV
>GENUARDI'S FAMILY MARKETS
>GENUTH SUPPLY CORP.
>GEORGE HAND DISTILLED PRODUCTS LTD.
>GERMANTOWN INTERNATIONAL LTD.
>GFA BRANDS INC.
>GIANT EAGLE
>GIANT FOOD, INC.
>GIANT FOODS
>GIANT OF MARYLAND
>GIFTCO INC.
>GILETTE FOODS INC.
>GILSTER MARY LEE (CEREAL PLANT)
>GILSTER MARY LEE (POPCORN PLANT)
>GILSTER MARY LEE CORPORATION
>GIRL SCOUTS OF THE U.S.A.
>GIVAUDAN/INTERNATIONAL BIOFLAVORS, INC.
>GIVERE CHOCOLATIER INC.
>GLACIER CLEAR
>GLACIER CLEAR ORANGE SPRINGS
>GLADDER'S GOURMET COOKIES, INC.
>GLOBAL EXPORT MARKETING. CO., LTD.
>GLOBAL PROTEIN FOODS
>GLOBAL TRADING, INC.
>GLOBE NATURAL INTERNACIONAL, S.A.
>GODO SHUSEI COMPANY, LTD.
>GOLAN HEIGHTS WINERY LTD.
>GOLD HARBOR COMMODITIES INC.
>GOLDEN GLOW COOKIE CO., INC.
>GOLDEN SELECT FOODS COMPANY
>GOLDEN STATE BAKERY SUPPLY INC
>GOLDEN TASTE INC.
>GORDON FOOD SERVICES
>GOSSNER FOODS INC - PLANT #49-61
>GRACE BAKING
>GRAND UNION CO
>GRANDE CHEESE COMPANY
>GRAPPOLINI G. SURL
>GRAY & COMPANY
>GREAT AMERICAN OPPORTUNITIES
>GREAT ATLANTIC & PACIFIC COMPANY OF CANADA LTD.
>GREAT EASTERN SUN COMPANY
>GREEN'S
>GRIFFITH LABORATORIES
>GROUPE JEAN COUTU (PJC)
>GUANSHENGYUAN KYOWA AMINO ACID CO. LTD.
>GUILD ENTERPRISES INC./ALGAM AGENCIES LTD.
>GUS SCLAFANI CORP.
>GUSTO VA MARE
>GUYLIAN NV CHOCOLATERIE
>H.B. FULLER COMPANY
>H.C.I. CHEMICALS (USA) INC.
>H.E. BUTT GROCERY CO.
>H.E. BUTT GROCERY COMPANY
>H.L. BENNDORF CORP.
>HACO, LTD.
>HADDON HOUSE FOOD PRODUCTS, INC.
>HADLEY DATE GARDENS
>HAGGADAH PASSOVER BAKERY
>HAIFA SMOKED FISH,INC.
>HALL OF FAME CANDY & NUTS
>HAMAMA MEIR TRADING LTD.
>HANNAFORD BROS. CO.
>HANNAFORD BROTHERS
>HAPPY & HEALTHY PRODUCTS, INC.
>HARCOS CHEMICALS INC.
>HARRIS TEETER
>HARRY'S FARMERS MARKET
>HAUSER INC.
>HAWK DAIRY
>HAWK DAIRY (PLANT #34-010730)
>HAWK FLOUR MILLS
>HAWKINS, INC.
>HAYASHIBARA INTERNATIONAL INC.
>HEALTHY DELITES.COM CORP.
>HEARTLAND HONEY LLC
>HEBEI NEW DONGHUA AMINO ACID CO, LTD.
>HELIANTHUS S.A.C.
>HELLER'S SEASONING & INGREDIENTS
>HENRY BROCH & COMPANY
>HERCULES DOEL B.V.B.A. (AQUALON DIVISION)
>HERR FOODS INC.
>HERSHEY IMPORT CO., INC.
>HESCO FOOD INDUSTRY CO., INC.
>HESEGO INDUSTRY SDN,BHD,
>HI-MAR SPECIALTIES, INC.
>HIALEAH PRODUCTS CO. D/B/A OH NUTS
>HIRSCH BROS. BAKERY
>HKS MARKETING LIMITED
>HOD HEFER LTD.
>HOLLANDIA DAIRY
>HOMER OIL COMPANY, INC.
>HONG MAO BIOCHEMICALS CO., LTD.
>HOOGWEGT INTERNATIONAL BV
>HORSTMANN MIX & CREAM, INC.
>HOSTBROOK SPA
>HOTEL BAR
>HRW PRODUCTIONS, INC.
>HUB FOOD CORP.
>HUBBARD PEANUT CO., INC.
>HUBEI YITAI PHARMACEUTICAL CO., LTD.
>HUBER CHEMICALS INDIA
>HUDSON'S COFFEE
>HUHTAMAKI RETAIL BUSINESS UNIT
>HY-VEE, INC.
>I. TSALOVITCH PROPERTIES & INVESTMENTS LTD.
>IDEA SPA
>IFF INDIA
>IFF INTL. FLAVORS & FRAGRANCES, INC.
>IFFCO (M) SDN. BHD.
>IFS
>IGA, INC.
>IMAC INT'L MEDIA & CULTURES PL # 31-221
>IMAGINATION IN ACTION, INC.
>IMPERIAL CROWN MARKETING CORP. INDUSTRIAL DESHIDRATADORA, S.A. DE C.V.
>INDUSTRIALIZADORA INTEGRAL DEL AGAVE,S.A
>INDUSTRIAS DEL MAIZ S.A.
>INDUSTRIAS J. MATAS
>INDYBAKE PRODUCTS
>INGLES
>INGLES MARKETS, INC.
>INGREDIA
>INGREDIENTES KERRY DE MEXICO S.A. DE C.V
>INNOVATIVE CEREAL PRODUCTS INC.
>INOVATECH USA,INC
>INTERCOM, S.A.
>INTERNATIONAL FOOD SOLUTIONS
>INTERNATIONAL FOODCRAFT CORP.
>INTERNATIONAL MOLASSES CORPORATION
>INTERNATIONAL SPECIALTY PRODUCTS
>INTERPROVINCIAL COOPERATIVE LIMITED
>INTERSEM S.A.
>INTERSTATE BAKERIES CORP.
>INVERTEC FOODS S.A.
>INVERTEC NATURAL JUICE S.A.
>ISLAND OASIS
>ISRAEL BEER BREWERIES LTD.
>ISRAEL BEIGEL BAKING COMPANY
>ITALO SUISSE NV
>J&D FINE FOODS
>J. RUTIGLIANO & SONS, INC.
>J.M. HUBER BELGIUM
>J.M. HUBER CORPORATION
>J.M. HUBER FINLAND OY
>J.R. SHORT MILLING COMPANY
>JADA SPECIALITIES, INC.
>JAHNCKE FRUCHTSAFTE-KONZENTRATE GMBH & CO. KG
>JAMCO/MULTIFOODS
>JAN DEKKER INTERNATIONAL BV
>JAYANT AGRO-ORGANICS LTD
>JAYANT AGRO-ORGANICS LTD.
>JAYANT OIL MILLS
>JEEN INTERNATIONAL CORP.
>JERUSALEM KOSHER RESTAURANT
>JIANGSU DIYI PHARMACEUTICAL CO., LTD.
>JINIL AU CHOCOLAT
>JOEY'S FINE FOODS, INC.
>JOHNSON MATTHEY CHEMICALS GMBH
>JON-LIN FROZEN FOODS
>JOSEPH ADAMS CORPORATION
>JOSEPH RUTIGLIANO & SONS INC.
>JOSEPH ZAKON WINERY
>JP FOODSERVICE INC.
>JP NORTH AMERICA INC.
>JPL MARKETING INC.
>K & W POPCORN, INC.
>K-MART CORPORATION
>K. KALUSTYAN ORIENT EXPERT TRADING CORP.
>KARLSHAMNS BV
>KASHIMA CHEMICAL CO., LTD.
>KASTNER'S PASTRIES
>KATHRYN BEICH
>KEEBLER - SUNSHINE BISCUITS, INC.
>KEEBLER COMPANY
>KEEBLER COMPANY - PLANT #39-132
>KEEFE SUPPLY CO
>KELLERS CREAMERY LLC
>KELLOGG'S/WORTHINGTON FOODS, INC
>KEMACH FOOD PRODUCTS
>KENNIE'S MARKET INC.
>KERN LABORATORIES
>KERRY INGREDIENTS (BELOIT)
>KEY FOODS
>KIC CHEMICALS, INC.
>KIME'S CIDER MILL
>KINERET
>KING ARTHUR FLOUR INC.
>KING KULLEN
>KING KULLEN GROCERY
>KINGS SUPERMARKETS
>KLEIN'S NATURALS
>KLENE'S
>KOHJIN CO., LTD
>KONGO CHEMICAL CO., LTD.
>KONTOS FOODS, INC.
>KOPPER'S CHOCOLATE COMPANY
>KOSHER CHINESE EXPRESS
>KRAFT CANADA, INC
>KRAFT FOOD INGREDIENTS (KFI)
>KRAFT FOODS
>KRAFT FOODS (CHURNY)
>KRAFT FOODS (POST)
>KRAFT FOODS (USDA #06-25)
>KRAFT FOODS (USDA #36-2010)
>KRAFT FOODS COFFEE OPERATIONS GERMANY
>KRAFT FOODS SCHWEIZ AG
>KRAFT FOODS, INC.
>KRAFT FOODS, INC. (ATLANTIC GELATIN)
>KRAFT FOODSERVICE, INC.
>KRAFT NORTH AMERICA EAST HANOVER TECH CENTER
>KRAUS & COMPANY, INC./B.C. FLAVORS, INC.
>KRISPY KERNEL, INC.
>KROGER
>KROGER ATLANTA
>KYOWA HAKKO U.S.A., INC.
>KYUSHU KAKO CO.,LTD
>LA GALVANINA S.P.A.
>LA PREFERIDA INC.
>LAITERIE DE SAINT MALO SA
>LALLEMAND INC
>LAMBENT TECHNOLOGIES
>LAMONTAGNE CHOCOLATE INC.
>LANCO CORPORATION - PARAMOUNT CHOCOLATES
>LAND O SUN DAIRIES LLC
>LAND O'LAKES, INC.
>LANGER TRANSPORT CORPORATION
>LAS BRAND INC.
>LAS S.R.L.
>LAWRENCE FOODS
>LE MARAIS (GK GRILL, LLC.)
>LEACH FARMS, INC.
>LEHIGH VALLEY DAIRIES
>LEIBER GMBH
>LES ALIMENTS CSP FOODS
>LES VINS MAYER HALPERN
>LESAFFRE YEAST CORP
>LESAFFRE YEAST CORP.
>LIGHTLIFE FOODS, INC.
>LIN'S KOSHER CHINESE KITCHEN (MAIL ADD)
>LINDLEY MILLS, INC.
>LINETTE QUALITY CHOCOLATES
>LIPIDCHEM
>LIPO CHEMICALS, INC.
>LIPTON
>LOBLAW BRANDS, LTD.
>LODERS CROKLAAN B.V.
>LONG'S DRUGS
>LONGVIEW TRADING,INC
>LOUIS TRAUTH DAIRY INC.
>LUBAN INTERNATIONAL
>LUBRIZOL
>LUXOR HOTEL CASINO
>LYNN DAIRY INC. (LYNN PROTEIN) #55-1522
>LYONS-MAGNUS
>M & R DISTRIBUTION
>M. SLAVIN & SONS
>MAISON LAPIERRE INC.
>MAKKOS OF BROOKLYN LTD.
>MALEE SAMPRAN FACTORY PUBLIC CO., LTD.
>MALT DIASTASE CORPORATION
>MALT PROD. CORP./INTERN. MOLASSES
>MALT PRODUCTS CORP.
>MANDARIN SOY SAUCE
>MANE - CALIFORNIA BRANDS, INC.
>MANHATTAN CHOCOLATES INC.
>MARKET BASKET BRAND (DEMOULAS)
>MARKETING MANAGEMENT
>MARKON COOPERATIVE
>MARRIOTT INTERNATIONAL, INC.
>MARSH SUPERMARKETS
>MARUHA CORPORATION
>MARUZEN PHARMACEUTICALS CO., LTD.
>MASIHANA INC.
>MASILY S.A.
>MATOL BOTANICAL INTERNATIONAL, INC.
>MAURI BRASIL IND. COM. E. IMPORT LTDA.
>MAXIM
>MAZOR'S FRENCH DOUGH COMPANY
>MCCAFFREY'S
>MCCORMICK DISTILLING CO., INC.
>MCDONALD'S CORPORATION
>MCKEE FOODS CORPORATION
>MEADOW GOLD
>MEADOW GOLD DAIRIES
>MEADOW GOLD DAIRIES, INC. PLANT #08-04
>MEIJER, INC.
>MEIJI SEIKA KAISHA, LTD.
>MELROSE DAIRY PROTEINS LLC-PLANT #27-630
>MESADA INTERNATIONAL TRADING
>METRO & RICHELIEU INC.
>METRO RICHELIEU
>MEZONOS MAVEN BAKERY INC.
>MICHIGAN FARM CHEESE DAIRY
>MICRO POP USA
>MICROWAVE ROASTERS, INC.
>MID-ATLANTIC VEGETABLE & SHORTENING CO.
>MIDDLE EAST DELIGHTS-ARARAT BAKERY
>MIDDLEFIELD MIX, INC. #39-410
>MILLE LACS GOURMET FOODS (R)
>MILLER & CO.
>MILLER BREWING COMPANY
>MINOT INTERNATIONAL
>MIRSA INC.
>MISITANO & STRACUZZI S.P.A.
>MISTER SNACKS (DIV. OF SUNBIRD SNACKS)
>MITOKU CO. LTD.
>MITSUI & CO. (U.S.A.), INC.
>MITSUI & CO., USA INC.
>MLO PRODUCTS, CO.
>MODERN PRODUCTS, INC.
>MOLDA AG
>MONTENA TARANTO FOODS (PLANT#34-010413)
>MORNING GLORY DAIRY
>MORNINGSTAR FOODS
>MT. ARARAT BAKERY
>MUIRHEAD
>MULLINS WHEY INC.
>MUNCHICK'S FISH COMPANY, INC.
>MY BROTHER BOBBY'S SALSA, LLC
>MY GRANDMAS COFFEE CAKES
>MY MOST FAVORITE DESSERT COMPANY
>MYC INGREDIENTS, LTD.
>N.V. DE ZUIKER COMPAGNIE
>NABISCO
>NANA SYLVIA'S FOODS
>NASH FINCH CO.
>NATIONAL BRAND COFFEE AND PAPER DISTRIBUTING CORP.
>NATIONAL CHEESE CO.
>NATIONAL VINEGAR CO.
>NATURAL IMPORT COMPANY, INC.
>NATURAL OLEOCHEMICALS SDN BHD
>NATURAL ORGANICS
>NATURE SOY INC.
>NATUREX
>NAYLOR CANDIES, INC.
>NBTY, INC.
>ND LABS INC.
>NESTLE FOOD COMPANY
>NESTLE SINGAPORE PTE LTD
>NETWORK SERVICES COMPANY
>NEW FOODS INDUSTRY
>NEW MERIDIAN FOODS
>NEW YUNG WAH
>NEWLY WEDS FOODS, INC.
>NEWMAN'S OWN, INC.
>NGO CHEW HONG OILS & FATS(M) SDN.
>NIKKI'S COOKIES INC.
>NIPPON ZEON CO. LTD (MIZUSHIMA PLANT)
>NOGA DAIRY INC.
>NORAC INC
>NORTH AMERICAN ENTERPRISE
>NORTH AMERICAN TEA AND COFFEE
>NORTH COAST SEAFOODS
>NORTHAMPTON PEANUT COMPANY
>NORTHWEST PEA & BEAN COMPANY
>NUGGET DISTRIBUTORS
>NUTRIENTS INCORPORATED
>NY PASTA AUTHORITY
>NZMP MARLBOROUGH
>OAKHURST DAIRY
>OASIS FOOD COMPANY
>OBIPEKTIN AG
>OCEANSIDE KNISH FACTORY - PAPA'S KITCHEN
>OGEM-OFFICE GENERAL DES EAUX MINERALES
>OH! NUTS
>OLD COLONY BAKING CO.
>OMYA PERALTA GMBH
>ORANGE JUICE/FOOD TANK TRUCK WASH INC.
>ORDU SOYA SANAYI A.S.
>ORGANIC BY NATURE, INC.
>ORGANIC TECHNOLOGIES
>ORGANIC VALLEY/CROPP COOPERATIVE
>ORLEANS PACKAGING COMPANY
>OTSUKA CHEMICAL CO., LTD.
>OVERSEAL COLOR INC.
>P.E. KRAMME, INC.
>P.L.THOMAS & CO., INC.
>P.R.R.C. (PRICE RITE)
>P.T. CISADANE RAYA CHEMICALS
>P.T. PULAU SAMBU GUNTUNG
>P.T. RIAU SAKTI UNITED PLANTATIONS
>P.T. SAYAP MAS UTAMA
>P.T. WINGS SURYA
>PAC-MOORE PRODUCTS, INC.
>PACIDA INTERNATIONAL (USA) INC.
>PACIFIC ROYAL BASIC FOODS
>PACTIV CORPORATION
>PAK TECHNOLOGIES CUSTOM FOODS GROUP
>PALACE STATION HOTEL/CASINO
>PALM-OLEO SDN. BHD.
>PALMAMIDE SDN BHD
>PALMAZONE INC.
>PAN AMERICAN GRAIN
>PAN CENTURY EDIBLE OILS
>PAN-CENTURY OLEOCHEMICALS SDN. BHD.
>PANDA FOOD PRODUCTS, INC.
>PANHANDLE MILLING COMPANY
>PANINKRET CHEM. PHARM. VERTRIEBSGES MBH
>PAPE FOODS
>PARMALAT FOOD INC.
>PASKESZ CANDY COMPANY
>PATHMARK STORES INC.
>PEARL VALLEY CHEESE
>PEGASUS INC.
>PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH CANDIES
>PENWEST PHARMACEUTICAL
>PERFORMANCE FOOD GROUP
>PERRIER GROUP
>PETER CREMER (S) GMBH
>PETER PAUL PHILIPPINE CORPORATION
>PHILDESCO, INC.
>PHYTO SOURCE
>PINATI RESTAURANT
>PIONEER FLOUR MILLS
>PIZZA INN (NORCO)
>PIZZA NOSH
>PLANET KOSHER
>PLANTERS COTTON OIL MILL, INC.
>PLANTERS LIFE SAVERS COMPANY
>PLB SPORTS
>PLOCHMAN, INC.
>PLUMBRIDGE
>POCAHONTAS FOODS USA
>POKONOBE INDUSTRIES INC.
>POLAND'S BEST INC.
>POLAR FOODS, INC.
>POLAROME INTERNATIONAL, INC.
>POORE BROTHERS INC.
>POPOWICH MILLING
>POWER SNACKS
>PRAIRIE CITY BAKERY
>PREMIER FOODSERVICE DISTRIBUTORS, INC.
>PREMIER MALT PRODUCTS CORP.
>PREMIUM INGREDIENTS LTD.
>PREMIUM VEGETABLE OILS BHD.
>PRESCO FOOD SERVICES
>PRESIDENT'S CHOICE INTERNATIONAL
>PRESTIGE SALES INC.
>PRICE CHOPPER
>PRICECOSTCO (COSTCO)
>PRO TRANSPORT, INC.
>PROCESADORA CONTINENTAL DE ALIMENTOS S.A
>PRODUCERS DAIRY FOODS INC.
>PRODUCTOS METALEST S.L.
>PROGRESSIVE DONUTS/DUNK-N-SIP, INC.
>PROMIND AGRO-INDUSTRIAL, S.A.
>PROMISED LAND DAIRY
>PROTEIN UND OELWERK NEUSS GMBH & CO. KG
>PROTIENT INC.
>PROTIENT, INC.
>PT. JAKA SAKTIBUANA INTERNATIONAL
>PT. KAO INDONESIA CHEMICALS
>PT. OLEOCHEM & SOAP INDUSTRI
>PT. SUMI ASIH
>PT. WIHADIL CHEMICAL INDUSTRY
>PUBLIX SUPER MARKETS, INC.
>PUGLISI EGG FARM
>PULASKI PRODUCTS CO., INC.
>PYA MONARCH, INC.
>QINGDAO JIAONAN BRIGHT MOON SEAWEED INDUSTRIES CO. LTD
>QSP, INC.
>QUAKER SUGAR CO., INC.
>QUALITY BOTANICAL INGREDIENTS, INC.
>QUALITY INGREDIENTS CORPORATION
>QUANTUM HERBAL PRODUCTS, LTD.
>QUEST INTERNATIONAL
>QUEST INTERNATIONAL (SCOTLAND)
>QUEST INTERNATIONAL FLAVORS & FOOD ING.
>QUICK DRY FOODS USA INC.
>QUICK'S CANDY
>QUINN'S SPECIALTY PRODUCTS
>R D ENTERPRISES
>R. TORRE & COMPANY
>R.M. PALMER COMPANY
>RAINBOW FARMS
>RAISIO GROUP PLC, RAISIO BENECOL LTD.
>RAISIO STAEST US INC.
>RALPHS GROCERY CO.
>RAMAPO RIDGE
>RAMSEY SIAS, INC.
>RED ARROW PRODUCTS COMPANY LLC.
>RED STAR YEAST & PRODUCTS
>REGAL EXTRACT CO. INC. MILLFLOW SPICE CORP.
>RENAISSANCE FOODS LLC.
>RESTAURANT DEPOT
>RHODIA FOOD
>RHODIA FOOD INDAL
>RHODIA INC.
>RHODIA MEYPRO B.V.
>RICH FOOD
>RICHFOOD, INC.
>RIKEN VITAMIN CO., LTD.
>RIO MAR COUNTRY CLUB
>ROBINSON DAIRY
>ROCKVIEW FARMS
>ROHM AND HAAS COMPANY
>ROHTSTEIN CORP. SUGAR DIVISION
>RON BEN-ISRAEL CAKES, INC.
>ROSKAM BAKING CO.
>ROSS PRODUCTS DIV. ABBOTT LABORATORIES LTD.
>ROSS PRODUCTS DIVISION
>ROSS SWISS DAIRIES
>ROUNDY'S, INC.
>ROYAL BODYCARE, INC.
>ROYAL CANDY, INC.
>ROYAL FOOD PRODUCTS
>ROYAL PALM INC.
>RPF, INC. (ROYAL PALATE FOODS)
>RUPARI FOOD SERVICE
>RV INDUSTRIES, INC.
>RYAN FOODS COMPANY
>RYKOFF SEXTON INC.
>RYT-WAY INDUSTRIES, INC.
>S & S SOAP CO., INC.
>S.C. COMSOFT IMPEX S.R.L.
>S.I.PR.I.O.
>S.P.R.M. INVESTMENT LTD.
>S.T. JERRELL
>SAFEWAY INC.
>SAM WARD COMPANY, INC.
>SAMBA HANDELMAAATSCHAPPI
>SAN JIRUSHI
>SAN REMO FOOD IMPORTED LTD.
>SAN-J INTERNATIONAL, INC.
>SANDLER'S GIFT BASKETS
>SANTA CRISTINA
>SANTA FE INGREDIENTS
>SANTEE DAIRIES, INC.
>SAPUTO CHEESE
>SARA LEE BAKERY GROUP
>SARA LEE COFFEE & TEA
>SARANT INTERNATIONAL COMMODITIES
>SARATOGA FLOUR
>SATIN FINE FOODS, INC.
>SAVORY FOODS, INC.
>SCHILL+SEILACHER "STRUKTOL"
>SCHNUCK MARKETS, INC.
>SCHWEIZ. MILCH-GESELLSCHAFT AG
>SCOTT'S, INC.
>SEA BREEZE
>SEAPOINT FARMS
>SEMINOLE FOODS, INC.
>SENSIENT FLAVORS
>SENSIENT FLAVORS MEXICO, S.A.DE C.V.
>SENSUS C.V.
>SETTON INTERNATIONAL FOODS, INC.
>SETTON PISTACHIO OF TERRA BELLA, INC.
>SETTON'S FOODS
>SHADY MAPLE FARM LTD.
>SHAMIR FOODS INC.
>SHAMROCK FOODS CO.
>SHANDEX GROUP
>SHANDONG DEOSEN CORP., LTD.
>SHANGHAI FOURTH PHARMACEUTICAL LTD XU HANG PHARMACEUTICAL FACTORY
>SHARP MENTHOL INDIA LIMITED
>SHAW'S SUPERMARKETS, INC.
>SHAWS SUPERMARKETS
>SHEPPARD GRAIN
>SHERWOOD BRANDS LLC
>SHOPPERS DRUG MART INC.
>SHURFINE INTERNATIONAL, INC.
>SIDCO FOOD DIST. CO.
>SIDCO HEALTH
>SIEGEL EGG
>SIGNATURE FUNDRAISING INC.
>SILVA INTERNATIONAL, INC.
>SILVER CATERERS (SILVER HUNTINGTON ENTERPRISES LLC)
>SILVER SPRING GARDENS, INC.
>SKIDMORE SALES & DISTRIBUTING FOOD DEFOAMERS
>SKINNER'S SALTED NUTS, INC.
>SMITH BROTHERS FARMS
>SMITH'S FOOD & DRUG CENTERS, INC.
>SMITTY'S INC.
>SNAPPLE BEVERAGE GROUP
>SNAPPY POPCORN CO., IND.
>SNYDERS OF HANOVER
>SOBAYA
>SOBEY'S INC.
>SOBEYS - OSHAWA GROUP
>SOBEYS RETAIL BRAND
>SOBEYS, INC.
>SOCIETE FLANDRES PICARDIE LAIT
>SODA AROMATIC CO., LTD.
>SOGO PHARMACEUTICAL CO., LTD.
>SOLA BAKERY INC.
>SOLLER LLC
>SOMMER MAID
>SORIANA S.A. DE. C.V.
>SOUTHERN ACIDS (M) BERHAD
>SOUTHERN INDUSTRIAL SALES,INC.
>SOVEX FOODS, A DIVISION OF MCKEE FOODS CORP.
>SOY POWER, INC.
>SPARROW ENTERPRISES, LTD.
>SPARTAN CHEMICAL COMPANY INC.
>SPARTAN STORES, INC.
>SPECIALTY INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTS, INC.
>SPECTRUM COMMODITIES
>SPI POLYOLS, INC.
>STABILCHEM (M) SDN. BHD.
>STABILIMENTO FARMACEUTICO CAV.G.TESTA
>STAFF SUPERMARKETS, INC.
>STANDARD CANDY COMPANY
>STAR KAY WHITE INC.
>STAR MARKET
>STAR MARKET COMPANY
>START FRESH FOODS
>STATER BROS. MARKETS
>STATION CASINO
>STEINHAUSER POLSKA
>STENTORIAN INDUSTRIES CO., LTD.
>STEPAN COMPANY
>STOLT NIELSEN B.V.
>STONE MOUNTAIN SNACKS
>STOP & SHOP
>STOP & SHOP SUPERMARKET CO.
>STOW MILLS
>STRATHROY FOODS LIMITED
>STRETCH ISLAND FRUIT INC.
>STUCKEY'S CORPORATION
>SUBCO FOODS INC.
>SUN ACE KAKOH (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD
>SUN ACE KAKOH (PTE.) LTD.
>SUNCHEMICAL CO., LTD.
>SUNFRESH
>SUNFRESH, INC.
>SUNRISE CONFECTIONS
>SUNRISE INTERNATIONAL CO.
>SUNSET STATION
>SUNSHINE FRESH INC.
>SUPER C
>SUPER STORE INDUSTRIES
>SUPER VALUE, INC.
>SUPERBRAND DAIRY PRODUCTS INC.
>SUPERBRAND DAIRY PRODUCTS, INC.
>SUPERSTAR COCONUT PRODUCTS CO., INC.
>SUZANNE'S SPECIALTIES
>SWAN GARDENS
>SWEET EXPRESSION
>SWISS CHALET FINE FOODS, INC.
>SWISS DAIRY - SUIZA
>SWISS GOURMET
>SWISS VALLEY FARMS COMPANY
>SYCAMORE CREEK CO.
>SYLVIA WEINSTOCK CAKES
>SYSCO CORPORATION
>T & L CREATIVE SALADS INC.
>T. HASEGAWA CO., LTD. (JAPAN)
>T. HASEGAWA U.S.A., INC.
>TAIYO INTERNATIONAL INC.
>TAKASAGO FOOD PRODUCTS (FLAVORS)
>TANABE SEIYAKU CO., LTD (JAPAN)
>TANTOS FOODS INTERNATIONAL
>TARGET FLAVORS, INC.
>TASTY BAKING COMPANY
>TATA TEA, INC.
>TAYLOR FARMS
>TEE LEE POPCORN, INC.
>TEMPLE ISRAEL BROTHERHOOD
>TERRAPEZ S.A.
>TEXAS HOTEL
>THE AMERICAN SUGAR REFINING COMPANY
>THE DRESCHER CORPORATION
>THE ELI'S CHEESECAKE COMPANY
>THE FOOD SOURCE, INC.
>THE GOLUB CORPORATION
>THE GRAND UNION CO.
>THE GREAT A&P TEA COMPANY
>THE GREAT ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC CO.
>THE HEALTHY GOURMET
>THE KROGER COMPANY
>THE MASTERSON CO.
>THE MONTEREY CANNING CO.
>THE OSHAWA GROUP LTD./LE GROUPE OSHAWA LTEE
>THE STOP & SHOP SUPERMARKET COMPANY
>THE WARRELL CORPORATION
>THE WESTIN RIOMAR BEACH
>THE WISCONSIN CHEESEMAN, INC.
>THIRS-TEA CORPORATION
>THREE VEE CORPORATION
>TIANJIN FREEWORLD INDUSTRY COMPANY LMT
>TICOFRUT, S. A.
>TINUK, INC.
>TIP TOP CANNING
>TOM'S FOODS, INC.
>TOPCO ASSOCIATES, INC.
>TOPCO-RANDALLS FOOD MARKETS, INC.
>TOPS MARKETS, INC
>TORTILLERIA LA MEXICANA, INC.
>TOUFAYAN BAKERY INC.
>TOUFAYAN'S BAKERY
>TOUL SOCIEDADE PORTUGUESA DE DESIDRATACA
>TOYO GOSEI CO., LTD.
>TRADE-MARK COFFEE CORPORATION
>TRADER JOE
>TRADER JOE'S
>TRADER JOE'S EAST,INC.
>TRANSFORMACIONES AGRICOLAS DE BADAJOZ SA
>TREE OF LIFE, INC.
>TREFIN NV
>TRICO TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
>TRINIDAD BENHAM CORP.
>TRIPLE-C-INC
>TRITON SUPPLY CORP.
>TROPHY NUT CO.
>TROPICAL NUT & FRUIT INC.
>TROPICANA PRODUCTS, INC.
>TROPICS FROZEN COCKTAILS
>TUSCAN
>TWIN COUNTY GROCERS, INC.
>TWO TRIBES, LLC
>U.S. CHOCOLATE CORP.
>U.S. FLAVORS & FRAGRANCES, INC
>U.S. FOODSERVICE
>U.S. MILLS, INC.
>UBE INDUSTRIES, LTD.
>ULTRA TRADING INTERNATIONAL LTD.
>UNICO FOODS INC.
>UNICO, INC.
>UNILEVER
>UNIPRO FOODSERVICE
>UNIPRO FOODSERVICE, INC.
>UNIPRO FOODSERVICE-NIFDA
>UNIQEMA
>UNIQEMA, DIVISION OF UNICHEMA CHEMIE GMBH
>UNIQUELY TOGETHER, INC.
>UNITED WHOLESALE GROCERY CO.
>UNIVERSAL APEX INC.
>UPCOUNTRY, INC.
>UPSCALE FOODS INC.
>US FOODSERVICE, RYKOFF, AND SEXTON
>UTC
>V.B.S. PURVEYORS OF FINE FOODS
>VALENCIA FOODS, INC.
>VALUE AMERICA
>VAN HOUTON
>VAN HOUTTE INC.
>VARDA CHOCOLATIER
>VELDA FARMS, LLC
>VENTURA FOODS, LLC
>VIC'S GOURMET POPCORN
>VINTAGE SOUTH INC.
>VIRGINIA DARE EXTRACT CO., INC.
>VITABLEND BV
>VITAL & ZOON N.V.
>VITAMINS, INC.
>VITAMOR KFT.
>VITARROZ
>VITASOY (U.S.A.) INC.
>VITASOY USA, INC.
>VOGEL POPCORN
>VONS
>VVF LIMITED
>W. SCHUMACHER & CO. GMBH
>W.A. CLEARY PRODUCTS, INC.
>WAKEFERN FOOD CORPORATION
>WAKEFERN/SHOPRITE
>WAKUNAGA OF AMERICA CO., LTD.
>WAL-COR CORSANINI DI CARLO SANTINI & C.
>WAL-MART STORES INC.
>WALGREENS CO.
>WALNETTOS, INCORPORATED, DIST.
>WALTER RAU NEUSSER 01 UND FETT AG
>WANJASHAN MANDARIN SAUCE, INC.
>WARDS ICE CREAM CO. INC.
>WARRANWOOD WINERY
>WASABROD
>WASABROD AB
>WATSON SYSCO
>WATSONVILLE FOODS PRODUCT COMPANY
>WATTA MUNCH
>WEBSTER INDUSTRIES, INC.
>WEGMAN'S INC.
>WEIS MARKETS, INC.
>WEISS KOSHER BAKERY
>WEMMERS TANKTRANSPORT BV
>WENDY'S INTERNATIONAL, INC.
>WEST LYNN CREAMERY
>WESTBY CO-OP CREAMERY
>WESTERN COMMERCE CORPORATION
>WESTERN FAMILY FOODS, INC.
>WHITE ROSE FOODS
>WHITE STOKES
>WHITE STOKES CO.,
>WHITEHALL COMMODITY CORP.
>WHITTAKER, CLARK & DANIELS, INC.
>WHOLE FOODS
>WHOLE FOODS MARKET
>WHOLE HERB COMPANY
>WILCOX FARMS LLC
>WILD OATS MARKETS, INC
>WILD WEST PRODUCTS
>WILDWOOD NATURAL FOODS, INC.
>WILLMARK SALES CO.
>WILTON INDUSTRIES
>WINN DIXIE
>WINN DIXIE - PLANT #12-500
>WOLF & LAMB DELICATESSEN
>WOODSTOCK FARMS
>WORLD FINER FOODS, INC.
>WORLD OF CHANTILLY
>WORLD SPICE INC.
>WRITT SALES & SUPPLY D.B.A. NUTRITIONAL FOCUS
>WYTHE-WILL DIST. CO.
>YANCHENG HENDING NATIVE PRODUCTS CO. LTD
>YOHAY BAKING COMPANY
>YONEYAMA YAKUHIN KOGYO CO., LTD.
>YOST FOODS, INC.
>ZALOOM MARKETING CORP.
>ZANDER'S CREAMERY, INC.
>ZANDER'S CREAMERY, INC. #55-309
>ZELLERS INC.
>ZEON CHEMICALS YONEZAWA COMPANY, LTD.
>ZHEJIANG HAITONG FOOD GROUP CO., LTD.
>ZHEJIANG NHU COMPANY, LTD.
>ZHEJIANG SILVER RIVER FOODS CO., LTD.
>ZION NATURAL GOURMET FOOD
>ZOGLO'S
>ZOMICK'S BAKERY
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
wrote:
>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>> Sharx the nark

>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>> but
>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>> erroneous

>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>> Here
>>> >> $> are some reasons:
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>> >> you
>>> >> are
>>> >> $> probably over assessed.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>> >> built
>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>> >> renovations
>>> >> $> and you haven't.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>> >
>>> > LOL
>>> >
>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>> > could
>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>> > value
>>> > and bump up the taxes.)

>>> > John Fleming
>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>
>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>> enough
>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>> refuses to get the permits?



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Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
wrote:
>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>> Sharx the nark

>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>> but
>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>> erroneous

>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>> Here
>>> >> $> are some reasons:
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>> >> you
>>> >> are
>>> >> $> probably over assessed.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>> >> built
>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>> >> renovations
>>> >> $> and you haven't.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>> >
>>> > LOL
>>> >
>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>> > could
>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>> > value
>>> > and bump up the taxes.)

>>> > John Fleming
>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>
>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>> enough
>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>> refuses to get the permits?



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Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
wrote:
>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>> Sharx the nark

>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>> but
>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>> erroneous

>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>> Here
>>> >> $> are some reasons:
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>> >> you
>>> >> are
>>> >> $> probably over assessed.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>> >> built
>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>> >> renovations
>>> >> $> and you haven't.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>> >
>>> > LOL
>>> >
>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>> > could
>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>> > value
>>> > and bump up the taxes.)

>>> > John Fleming
>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>
>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>> enough
>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>> refuses to get the permits?



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As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
gangs.

Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?

Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!
Why no anti-gang activity by the cops while Mike Boyd was 
running the show?

Sharx, and Top Poster, comments?



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:42:24 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:

>The other people that need to appeal are those that built their garage 
>with their house.  The are paying about $200 more per year than the 
>neighbour who built his garage a year later ... because the neighbours 
>garage was never assessed.


In fact, the crooked assessors are also deliberately ignoring proper
valuations, for properties that have TWO garages, as I have found in
ARB and MGB hearings!!

They are also ignoring additional assessment values for fireplaces, no
matter their proper cost for building.

What other incompetence are those working with Mel Forseth and Nick
Gorda doing against taxpayers who expose their actions?


>SamIAm wrote:

>> If you want to take the time, drive down a neighbourhood that is 
>> developing.  Find houses that were built without garages and then the 
>> garage added a year or two later.
>> 
>> No one appeals these assessments because they are too low.  The people 
>> that need to appeal are those that don't have a garage at all as they 
>> are paying too much compared to their neighbours.
>

>> Asterix wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>>>> news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Sharx the nark


>>>> Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, 
>>>> may become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>>> Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only 
>>>>> begin once
>>>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held 
>>>>> dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, 
>>>>> and logic, it
>>>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be 
>>>>> discarded, but
>>>>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>>>> erroneous


>>>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>>>>> scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $SamIAm wrote:


>>>>>>>> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.

>>>>>>>> $>Here  are some reasons:
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>>>>> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>>>>> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't 
>>>>>>>> then you are probably over assessed.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours 
>>>>>>>> have built
>>>>>>>> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>>>>>> renovations and you haven't.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>>>>> something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>>>>>> could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>>>>> building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>>>>> value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>>>>> John Fleming
>>>>>>> Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed 
>>>>>> such complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some 
>>>>>> scofflaw who refuses to get the permits?




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On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:52:23 GMT, "TJ"  wrote:

>get a grip will you...over 100 bodies...ya right...show me the stats on that 
>1...just because they are missing that doesn't prove they are dead, they 
>lead a dangerous life sytle and move all over the place. If anything we need 
>better looking hookers instead of the skank we have walking the streets.

It is the media who have tabulated more than 100 bodies of sex trade
workers in the past few years.

>suuurrreeeeeee....we are all wondering if it's a cop, what BS....
>
>and how do you know it's "1" killer or a cop for that matter...maybe more 
>than 1....your watching to much tv my friend.....

Perhaps, but surely you are not denying the fact, that a crooked cop
would easily know how to cover his trail, so his brother cops would
not bother to investigate? Particularly the cops hired and promoted
over the past 20 years!

>better get your facts straight....as for Boyd, he has done a bang up job 
>since he has been here. Our police service is so screwed up it was a wonder 
>Boyd or anyone would take the job. But he did get them to up the salary to 
>$250 grand a year to take the job, nice cheque every 2 weeks eh.......


You failed to answer the question in the header - why was he
constantly REFUSED THE TOP JOB IN TORONTO?
Was it something to do with his wife also being on the public trough
there?

>there's nothing to wonder, he's doing a great job and has the respect of the 
>people in this city and from the members of the EPS...it's the members of 
>the EPS I would wonder about.

Who says he has the respect of the public here, apart from you?

>they all seem taser happy these days....
 Including the kids of the former chief, don't forget...

>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:6ojc72t48htptgc2kogrektlb7qbask92s@4ax.com...
>> Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
>> Police Toronto?
>>
>> If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.
>>
>> Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
>> wonder also.
>>
>> Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
>> volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
>> Toronto?
>>
>> In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
>> trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!
>>
>> But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
>> whether the killer is one of the cops? 
>



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:13 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:
>sharx35 wrote:
>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>> 
>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>
>>>>$SamIAm wrote:
>>>
>>>>$> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.  Here
>>>>$> are some reasons:
>>>>$
>>>>$> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>$> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>$
>>>>$> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>$> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then you 
>>>>are
>>>>$> probably over assessed.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have 
>>>>built
>>>>$> garages or have completed basement development or have done 
>>>>renovations
>>>>$> and you haven't.
>>>>$
>>>>$In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>
>>>LOL
>>>
>>>Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he could
>>>do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market value
>>>and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>John Fleming
>>>Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>    A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
>>>    Way by Moonlight.
>>>
>>>         -- Oscar Wilde
>> 
>> 
>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours enough 
>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such 
>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who 
>> refuses to get the permits?


>The city assessors are too lazy to look at building permits.  They have 
>admitted that they haven't done anything with building permits for 
>residential property for years.  The only thing they assess are new 
>homes.  If you built a garage or did basement finish in the last 10 
>years or so, chances are good that the improvements have never been 
>assessed.

They are not only criminally lazy, I believe that they are corrupt,
because building permits are handled BY THE SAME DEPARTMENT OF THE
CITY AS ARE TAX ASSESSMENTS!!

Sharx, care to comment, or any other rabble-rouser?



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Even Robert Weldon wants everyone to know about the crooks in the city
tax department, which is why he reposts the header.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
wrote:
>"TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>> Sharx the nark

>Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, may 
>become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. 
>> If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, 
>> but
>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>> erroneous

>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>> > scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>> >> $SamIAm wrote:

>>> >> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.
>> Here
>>> >> $> are some reasons:
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>> >> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>> >> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then 
>>> >> you
>>> >> are
>>> >> $> probably over assessed.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have
>>> >> built
>>> >> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>> >> renovations
>>> >> $> and you haven't.
>>> >> $
>>> >> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>> >
>>> > LOL
>>> >
>>> > Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>> > something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>> > could
>>> > do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>> > building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>> > value
>>> > and bump up the taxes.)

>>> > John Fleming
>>> > Edmonton, Canada

>>>
>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>> enough
>>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such
>>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who
>>> refuses to get the permits?



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:13 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:
>sharx35 wrote:
>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:

>>>>$SamIAm wrote:
>>>
>>>>$> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.  Here
>>>>$> are some reasons:
>>>>$
>>>>$> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>$> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>$
>>>>$> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>$> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then you 
>>>>are
>>>>$> probably over assessed.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have 
>>>>built
>>>>$> garages or have completed basement development or have done 
>>>>renovations
>>>>$> and you haven't.
>>>>$
>>>>$In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>
>>>LOL

>>>Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he could
>>>do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market value
>>>and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>John Fleming
>>>Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>    A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
>>>    Way by Moonlight.
>>>
>>>         -- Oscar Wilde
>> 
>> 
>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours enough 
>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such 
>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who 
>> refuses to get the permits?


>The city assessors are too lazy to look at building permits.  They have 
>admitted that they haven't done anything with building permits for 
>residential property for years.  The only thing they assess are new 
>homes.  If you built a garage or did basement finish in the last 10 
>years or so, chances are good that the improvements have never been 
>assessed.

They are not only criminally lazy, I believe that they are corrupt,
because building permits are handled BY THE SAME DEPARTMENT OF THE
CITY AS ARE TAX ASSESSMENTS!!

Sharx, care to comment, or any other rabble-rouser?



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:42:24 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:

>The other people that need to appeal are those that built their garage 
>with their house.  The are paying about $200 more per year than the 
>neighbour who built his garage a year later ... because the neighbours 
>garage was never assessed.


In fact, the crooked assessors are also deliberately ignoring proper
valuations, for properties that have TWO garages, as I have found in
ARB and MGB hearings!!

They are also ignoring additional assessment values for fireplaces, no
matter their proper cost for building.

What other incompetence are those working with Mel Forseth and Nick
Gorda doing against taxpayers who expose their actions?


>SamIAm wrote:

>> If you want to take the time, drive down a neighbourhood that is 
>> developing.  Find houses that were built without garages and then the 
>> garage added a year or two later.
>> 
>> No one appeals these assessments because they are too low.  The people 
>> that need to appeal are those that don't have a garage at all as they 
>> are paying too much compared to their neighbours.
>

>> Asterix wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:39 GMT, "sharx35" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "TopPoster."  wrote in message 
>>>> news:Ggydg.230$Dq.236618@news.sisna.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Sharx the nark


>>>> Well, SOME day, if you save up all your welfare payments, you, too, 
>>>> may become a home owner and concerned about property taxes.

>>> Well said, sharx.

If it wasn't for Grosvenor exposing the HALF MILLION A YEAR DELIBERATE
UNDER-ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY AT 13723 - 93 ST., which was
deliberately under-assessed for 8 years, the public would not have had
the PROOF as to how crooked the city tax assessors are!!


>>>>> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only 
>>>>> begin once
>>>>> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held 
>>>>> dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, 
>>>>> and logic, it
>>>>> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be 
>>>>> discarded, but
>>>>> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the 
>>>>> erroneous


>>>>> "sharx35"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Feydg.35358$Qq.27711@clgrps12...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>>>>> scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $SamIAm wrote:


>>>>>>>> $> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.

>>>>>>>> $>Here  are some reasons:
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>>>>> $> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>>>>> $> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't 
>>>>>>>> then you are probably over assessed.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours 
>>>>>>>> have built
>>>>>>>> $> garages or have completed basement development or have done
>>>>>>>> renovations and you haven't.
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>> $In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>>>>> something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he 
>>>>>>> could do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>>>>> building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market 
>>>>>>> value and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>>>>> John Fleming
>>>>>>> Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>>>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours 
>>>>>> enough that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed 
>>>>>> such complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some 
>>>>>> scofflaw who refuses to get the permits?




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On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:52:23 GMT, "TJ"  wrote:

>get a grip will you...over 100 bodies...ya right...show me the stats on that 
>1...just because they are missing that doesn't prove they are dead, they 
>lead a dangerous life sytle and move all over the place. If anything we need 
>better looking hookers instead of the skank we have walking the streets.

It is the media who have tabulated more than 100 bodies of sex trade
workers in the past few years.

>suuurrreeeeeee....we are all wondering if it's a cop, what BS....
>
>and how do you know it's "1" killer or a cop for that matter...maybe more 
>than 1....your watching to much tv my friend.....

Perhaps, but surely you are not denying the fact, that a crooked cop
would easily know how to cover his trail, so his brother cops would
not bother to investigate? Particularly the cops hired and promoted
over the past 20 years!

>better get your facts straight....as for Boyd, he has done a bang up job 
>since he has been here. Our police service is so screwed up it was a wonder 
>Boyd or anyone would take the job. But he did get them to up the salary to 
>$250 grand a year to take the job, nice cheque every 2 weeks eh.......


You failed to answer the question in the header - why was he
constantly REFUSED THE TOP JOB IN TORONTO?
Was it something to do with his wife also being on the public trough
there?

>there's nothing to wonder, he's doing a great job and has the respect of the 
>people in this city and from the members of the EPS...it's the members of 
>the EPS I would wonder about.

Who says he has the respect of the public here, apart from you?

>they all seem taser happy these days....
 Including the kids of the former chief, don't forget...

>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:6ojc72t48htptgc2kogrektlb7qbask92s@4ax.com...
>> Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
>> Police Toronto?
>>
>> If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.
>>
>> Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
>> wonder also.
>>
>> Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
>> volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
>> Toronto?
>>
>> In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
>> trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!
>>
>> But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
>> whether the killer is one of the cops? 
>



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On 11 Nov 2005 21:47:08 -0800, david_deilley@yahoo.ca wrote:

>In one of Terry Pearson's most bonheaded moves ever, he sat in Edmonton
>waging a dishonest propaganda war that tried to connect the murder rate
>in Toronto with "socialism" in southern Ontario.  What TeeWee didn't
>realize -- the man is a semi-literate blowhard, and lacks even the most
>basic skills for fact-checking -- is that the Edmonton murder rate is
>double that in Toronto.  (In an infantile attempted to be "witty,"
>Pearson repeatedly calls Toronto "Cherranna.")

>Now the Edmonton city council -- elected by the virtuous citizens of
>Edmonton -- have reached "outside the box" for a solution to lawless
>Edmonton's shameful murder rate: they have recruited the former Deputy
>Chief of the "Cherranna" police as the new head of of the floundering
>Edmonton Police Department.

>Let's hope that Chief Mike Boyd can bring some of that eastern Canadian
>management skill to the transformation of the Edmonton Police homocide
>squad from Pearson-like blowhard amateurs to a well-organized
>crime-fighting machine.

As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
gangs.

Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?

Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!
Why no anti-gang activity by the cops while Mike Boyd was 
running the show?

>Who knows -- with an effective police department in Edmonton, the next
>time Terry finds himself in Criminal court, perhaps the tables will be
>turned after the judgement, and it will be the prosecutor smirking at
>Mr. Pearson rather than the other way around.



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On 11 Nov 2005 21:47:08 -0800, david_deilley@yahoo.ca wrote:

>In one of Terry Pearson's most bonheaded moves ever, he sat in Edmonton
>waging a dishonest propaganda war that tried to connect the murder rate
>in Toronto with "socialism" in southern Ontario.  What TeeWee didn't
>realize -- the man is a semi-literate blowhard, and lacks even the most
>basic skills for fact-checking -- is that the Edmonton murder rate is
>double that in Toronto.  (In an infantile attempted to be "witty,"
>Pearson repeatedly calls Toronto "Cherranna.")

>Now the Edmonton city council -- elected by the virtuous citizens of
>Edmonton -- have reached "outside the box" for a solution to lawless
>Edmonton's shameful murder rate: they have recruited the former Deputy
>Chief of the "Cherranna" police as the new head of of the floundering
>Edmonton Police Department.

>Let's hope that Chief Mike Boyd can bring some of that eastern Canadian
>management skill to the transformation of the Edmonton Police homocide
>squad from Pearson-like blowhard amateurs to a well-organized
>crime-fighting machine.

As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
gangs.

Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?

Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!
Why no anti-gang activity by the cops while Mike Boyd was 
running the show?

What is the real reason why Toronto refused to have Mike Boyd as
chief?

>Who knows -- with an effective police department in Edmonton, the next
>time Terry finds himself in Criminal court, perhaps the tables will be
>turned after the judgement, and it will be the prosecutor smirking at
>Mr. Pearson rather than the other way around.



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:13 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:
>sharx35 wrote:
>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:

>>>>$SamIAm wrote:
>>>
>>>>$> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.  Here
>>>>$> are some reasons:
>>>>$
>>>>$> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>$> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>$
>>>>$> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>$> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then you 
>>>>are
>>>>$> probably over assessed.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have 
>>>>built
>>>>$> garages or have completed basement development or have done 
>>>>renovations
>>>>$> and you haven't.
>>>>$
>>>>$In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>
>>>LOL

>>>Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he could
>>>do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market value
>>>and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>John Fleming
>>>Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>    A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
>>>    Way by Moonlight.
>>>
>>>         -- Oscar Wilde
>> 
>> 
>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours enough 
>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such 
>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who 
>> refuses to get the permits?


>The city assessors are too lazy to look at building permits.  They have 
>admitted that they haven't done anything with building permits for 
>residential property for years.  The only thing they assess are new 
>homes.  If you built a garage or did basement finish in the last 10 
>years or so, chances are good that the improvements have never been 
>assessed.

They are not only criminally lazy, I believe that they are corrupt,
because building permits are handled BY THE SAME DEPARTMENT OF THE
CITY AS ARE TAX ASSESSMENTS!!

Sharx, care to comment, or any other rabble-rouser?



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 18:14:46 GMT, Duncan Patton 
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 May 2006 14:30:37 GMT
>Asterix  wrote:
>
>> >Let's hope that Chief Mike Boyd can bring some of that eastern Canadian
>> >management skill to the transformation of the Edmonton Police homocide
>> >squad from Pearson-like blowhard amateurs to a well-organized
>> >crime-fighting machine.
>> 
>> As the header says, Toronto is now finally doing something about local
>> gangs.
>> 
>> Why was nothing done while Mike Boyd was Deputy police chief in
>> Toronto?
>> 
>> Why is nothing being done about the gangs in Edmonton, now that the
>> same Mike Boyd is their new chief of crooked police?
>> 
>> Interested minds are wondering about the correlationship!
>> Why no anti-gang activity by the cops while Mike Boyd was 
>> running the show?
>> 
>> What is the real reason why Toronto refused to have Mike Boyd as
>> chief?

>Same reason our last acting chief isn't here.  Probly been to 
>a few too many strip clubs in TO to keep a straight face in Church.
>Dhu

Rumors seem to indicate that it may have something to do with Boyd's
wife.
Care to elaborate?



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:13 GMT, SamIAm  wrote:
>sharx35 wrote:
>> "John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>> news:vcga7297ahfl0kb5o229s1lqq7gafok2v5@4ax.com...
>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:58:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
>>>scriptorium, Lance Boyle  wrote:

>>>>$SamIAm wrote:
>>>
>>>>$> There are many good reasons to appeal your property assessment.  Here
>>>>$> are some reasons:
>>>>$
>>>>$> Tell them about the busy streets or the noisy development or
>>>>$> a problem with your roof or plumbing.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 2)  Your property is below average for your community.
>>>>$
>>>>$> So if most of the properties in your neighbourhood have
>>>>$> upgraded flooring, cabinets, plumbing, etc. and yours isn't then you 
>>>>are
>>>>$> probably over assessed.
>>>>$
>>>>$> 3)  You live in a neighbourhood where many of your neighbours have 
>>>>built
>>>>$> garages or have completed basement development or have done 
>>>>renovations
>>>>$> and you haven't.
>>>>$
>>>>$In other words, you live in an overvalued shithole.
>>>
>>>LOL

>>>Of course, his best option might be to just sell the house and buy
>>>something nicer in another neighbourhood.  (I was going to say, he could
>>>do a kitchen upgrade, but if odne legally with all the necessary
>>>building permits, the city might just increase the assessed market value
>>>and bump up the taxes.)
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>John Fleming
>>>Edmonton, Canada
>>>
>>>    A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
>>>    Way by Moonlight.
>>>
>>>         -- Oscar Wilde
>> 
>> 
>> Doing upgrades WITHOUT permits eventually pisses off the neighbours enough 
>> that at least ONE of them will file a complaint. I know, I've filed such 
>> complaints. Why should *I* pay more property taxes than some scofflaw who 
>> refuses to get the permits?


>The city assessors are too lazy to look at building permits.  They have 
>admitted that they haven't done anything with building permits for 
>residential property for years.  The only thing they assess are new 
>homes.  If you built a garage or did basement finish in the last 10 
>years or so, chances are good that the improvements have never been 
>assessed.

They are not only criminally lazy, I believe that they are corrupt,
because building permits are handled BY THE SAME DEPARTMENT OF THE
CITY AS ARE TAX ASSESSMENTS!!

Sharx, care to comment, or any other rabble-rouser?



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On Mon, 29 May 2006 12:04:35 -0700, "Detector"  wrote:

>Who would choose such a lowly proffession?  Parasites.  No talent.  They
>accelerate the ruin of Canada and destruction of the environment so Calgary
>oilscum have a summer house.  They love the irresponsible immigration
>policies of the government because it keeps the housing bubble growing.
>Grind them into fertilizer so they can at least help the flowers grow.

You mean that you rate them on par with politicians, death insurance
salemen and car dealers?



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Subject: Re: The intelligent responses from sharx35
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I would say that you have substantiated the educated opinions espoused
by Sharx.


On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:07:58 -0500, "Tom P." 
wrote:

>Thetre are some people on this newsgroup that have some interesting 
>things to say. Some are vile, anti-social individuals with nothing 
>constructive to add to the debate. This guy is my favorite since he can 
>not respond with any facts. He only spews hate.
>
>If sharx35 has a medical or phsycological problem, I'm sorry for 
>laughing at you, but if that's the case you shouldn't reply to people's 
>posts.
>
>Here's some examples of sharx35's replies. I could put more, but their 
>all like this,
>
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>Get a life, some education and GROW SOME SPINE. Then, and ONLY then, come
>back here.
>
>*********************
>
>Geoff, there is no why to rationally deal with the idiots here, such as
>Brain-dead Dally, xModem, etc..
>
>*********************
>
>Some of the old socialists are amongst the most dense.
>
>*********************
>
>Uneducated, uninformed amoral morons like you vote LIEbrawl or NDP,
>regardless of how criminally corrupt the federal LIEbrawls are. Brain-dead
>idiots like you should be allowed to vote for dog catcher.
>
>*********************
>
>What part of "take your meds, according to instructions" don't you get?
>
>*********************
>
>The REAL cowards are the Canadian traitors who aid and abet their Taliban
>masters, e.g. BRAINDEAD Dally and ilk.
>
>**********************
>
>Are you and your afterbirth related?
>
>**********************
>
>What part of "Afghanistan is a war zone" don't you understand?
>
>**********************
>
>Note how the lefties at the BBC only seem to "learn" about concocted 
>stories
>which support leftie points of view.
>
>***********************
>
>Does your ability to hunt and peck on a keyboard make you a human being? 
>I think NOT.



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On 30 May 2006 16:57:18 -0700, "His Divine Shadow"
 wrote:

>Asterix wrote:
>> When places like Edmonton get worldwide publicity for POLICE TORTURING
>> INNOCENT CIVILIANS; punk kids murder bus passenger and cops don't
>> bother to attend for over half an hour; many cops now charged with
>> tasering people; all the hooligans amok on Whyte Avenue while cops
>> stand by with fingers up their butts.
>
>FEAR! UNCERTANTY! DOUBT!
>
>Obviously, based on these hyperbolic and unsupportable statements, the
>only recourse is to panic.

I guess you can not afford to get newspapers, nor do you have a TV.

The media for the past few months have been reporting so many
incidents of crooked cops in Edmonton, one must wonder whether there
are any HONEST cops in that place.

Even the former police chief had to be fired for just cause.

Then, TV showed all the goons in town rioting, smashing store windows,
setting fires in the streets, and basically looking like somewhere in
darkest Africa.

Would any sane person want to go there as a tourist>
Of course, not!


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At least there are some good people in Poland, prepared to condemn the
AIDS-spreading fags!!

If only their policies could be transferred to Britain, France and the
US and Canada!

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:27:00 GMT, NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:
>For gays and lesbians, today's Poland like 1930s Germany
>
>Via NY Transfer News Collective  *  All the News that Doesn't Fit
> 
>The Irish Times - Mar 22, 2006
>http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2006/0322/1927956584FR22WARSAWLETTER.html
>
>'For gays and lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany' 
> 
>by Daniel McLaughlin: 
>
>He has been attacked by skinheads and threatened by police, but Szymon
>Niemiec can only see life in Poland getting even tougher. "For gays and
>lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany," he says. "We are ruled 
>by a fascist party, which uses the same language and ideas as Hitler."
>
>As a prominent gay rights campaigner, Mr Niemiec (25) has long been a
>target for extremist groups, but since the election of the Law and
>Justice party last autumn he has felt a new wave of prejudice coursing
>through deeply Catholic, conservative Poland.
>
>"The police even visited my home," he says, "and they told me they were
>ready to do what they did in 1985, when hundreds of gays and lesbians
>were rounded up and interrogated by the communist security services."
>
>Law and Justice (PiS) came to power promising to purge the European
>Union's largest new member of corruption, cronyism and disparities of
>wealth that have sent the Warsaw skyline soaring while the elderly
>struggle and unemployment nudges 20 per cent.
>
>Many however see a dark side to the party's "moral revolution" and the
>rhetoric of other social conservatives now challenging for power across
>central Europe.
>
>Human Rights Watch has accused President Lech Kaczynski of presiding
>over "official homophobia" in Poland, where as mayor of Warsaw he banned
>gay parades and said he was "not willing to meet perverts".
>
>His twin brother, Jaroslaw, the leader of PiS, has said gays should not
>teach in schools, while prime minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz has
>called homosexuality an "unnatural" thing that the state must prevent
>from "infecting" the general public.
>
>"These are Catholic fundamentalists," says Tomasz Szypula, of Poland's
>Campaign Against Homophobia. "They talk about total prohibition of
>abortion, and one of the first things they did after taking power was
>abolish the government office for gender equality, which dealt with all
>forms of prejudice here."
>
>It also helped fund many minority rights groups and was the kind of
>anti- discrimination body that the EU demands in all member states.
>Critics say its abolition exemplified the government's scorn for
>Brussels.
>
>"Some of the new EU members signed up to decrees to get into the EU but
>now treat them like an a la carte menu on which they can ignore what
>they don't like," says Michael Cashman, an English MEP.
>
>"This is part of a Catholic fundamentalism, aided and abetted by the
>image of the dead pope," he said, referring to Polish pontiff John Paul
>II, who died last April, "and they think that anyone who undermines
>their idea of the family should be denied fundamental rights."
>
>Events in Poland and moves to ban gay marriage in Latvia and Lithuania
>prompted the European Parliament to pass a resolution against homophobia
>in January. Only six of 54 Polish MEPs backed the motion, and many say
>the EU cannot hope to match the influence of the Catholic Church on
>Poland's new government.
>
>President Kaczynski's first foreign trip was to the Vatican, and
>government officials frequently give exclusive interviews to the print
>and broadcast media run by controversial Catholic priest Tadeusz Rydzyk.
>
>Through five decades of communist rule, the church survived as a symbol
>of resistance and Polish identity. Now, for millions of Poles struggling
>to adapt to free-market life, it is again the rallying point for a
>return to traditional, national values.
>
>"The EU is seen as a godless, atheist, immoral, liberal thing," says
>Marek Antoni Nowicki, the head of the Helsinki Foundation for Human
>Rights in Warsaw. "For Catholic societies like Poland's, that creates a
>psychological distance."
>
>This year's elections in Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic also
>look likely to favour right-wing eurosceptics with a streak of social
>conservatism.
>
>Slovakia's coalition government collapsed recently when its biggest
>party blocked a bill to give Catholics the right to refuse certain
>duties on religious grounds.
>
>Czech homosexuals lambasted their president for vetoing a law to extend
>the rights of same-sex partners, with a ruling that activist Jiri
>Hromada called "a tragic decision from a medieval monarch".
>
>Mr Cashman calls intolerance "a worrying trend in eastern Europe". "We
>mustn't let a shift to more right-wing governments undermine the rights
>of minorities, or let people use hate-speak to appeal to voters."
>
>The rhetoric of intolerance rarely spawns violence in Poland, but Mr
>Nowicki sees danger in recent government attacks on the independent
>media and judiciary.
>
>"It is not about the government passing certain laws, but creating a
>certain atmosphere," he says. "Safeguards exist, and we have to prevent
>their erosion. If they want a war then it has at least one positive
>aspect - that there are many people here ready to fight them."
>
>© The Irish Times  
>       
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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann
>>
>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001
>>
>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm
>>
>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.
>>
>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.
>>
>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.
>>
>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.
>>
>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."
>>
>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.
>>
>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.
>>
>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron
>>
>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.
>>
>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.
>>
>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."
>>
>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.
>>
>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.
>>
>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."
>>
>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.
>>
>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.
>>
>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.
>>
>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.
>>
>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.
>>
>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.
>>
>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.
>>
>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.
>>
>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.
>>
>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.
>>
>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM
>>
>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.
>>
>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.
>>
>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.
>>
>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.
>>
>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."
>>
>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.
>>
>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.
>>
>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.
>>
>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.
>>
>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
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51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
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>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
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>
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>
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>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
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>
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>
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>for many years around the world.
>
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Is this the same minority that controls what one may read in Canada,
and GB?

Are they promoting the HOLOHOAX, just to cover up other crimes
committed by their members?


On 24 Mar 2006 10:17:01 -0800, AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
>docremington wrote:
>> Theodore Herzl wrote:
>> > The fact that Harvard was pressured into removing the logo only proves
>> > just how powerful and corrupting the Israeli lobbies have become.   By
>> > removing the logo, the University is protecting themselves from the
>> > Jewish attack dogs that work tirelessly to deflect criticism of the
>> > Israeli regime.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Most likely, Thermodore, they just took the trouble reading the
>> Walt-Mearsheimer bunk, and the undertaking left them with gaping
>> mouths.
>
>Not likely.   Harvard is a law school and is well aware of how the
>Jewish attack dogs and propagandists operate to undermine free speech.
>
>> > Israeli propaganda and disinformation groups like Camera cannot refute
>> > the article so they attempt, for instance, to compare Israel's bigoted
>> > Law of Return, which grants immediate citizenship to those of Jewish
>> > faith while denying citizenship to the non-Jewish indigenous population
>> > that was ethnically cleansed from their homeland to make Israel.
>>
>> Well, Thermodore, major arab immigrants can't be indigenous, of course,
>> and they left on their own free will, expecting to return and enlarge
>> their holdings at the jewish expense, they now have palistani
>> citizenship, and those, who lived in the WB till 1994, also have a
>> jordanian citizenship. What do they need israeli citizenship for?
>> Morover, a law of return does not mean an immediate citizenship,
>> Thermodore, if a jew does not apply for it, he/she does not get it.
>
>More racist ZioNazi crap that ignores the right under International Law
>of the Palestinians to come and go from their homeland at their will.
>Whether they left on vacation or were forced out by Jewish terrorists,
>the Israeli regime denied their RIGHT of return to their homeland.
>The ZioNazi terrorists denied them their right to return and destroyed
>their homes and villages as well, so the criminals of the Israeli
>Apartheid Regime if they continue to deny their right of return must
>compensate those whose land was stolen for the same reason that Jewish
>Holocaust victims claim they are owed compensation for their losses.
>I would say 100 Billion should be a good starting point.
>
>> > Camera also attempts to compare laws that allow people of Finish
>> > heritage to return to Finland (Note that race or religion is not a
>> > factor) if they meet the following criteria;
>> > From
>> > http://www.uvi.fi/netcomm/content.asp?path=8,2475&language=EN
>> > - former Finnish citizens
>> > - persons of other Finnish origin
>> > - persons from areas of the former Soviet Union.
>> > Note:  - If the ancestry dates back several generations, a residence
>> > permit cannot be granted on this basis.
>> > Clearly the Finnish law is open to all those who once lived in Finland,
>> > not just those of one particular religious faith, unlike the bigoted
>> > law in Israel.
>>
>> "Certain aliens, who have Finnish ancestry or otherwise a close
>> connection with Finland, may be granted a residence permit on this
>> basis. No other reason, such as work or study, is required in order to
>> receive the permit.
>
>Note there is no mention of ones religion or race as a requirement.
>
>> Receiving a residence permit depends on the directness and closeness of
>> Finnish ancestry. If the ancestry dates back several generations, a
>> residence permit cannot be granted on this basis."
>
>And note also that the law is applied equally to all, regardless of
>race or religion
>
>> What we are talking here, Thermodore, is a residence permit, it is not
>> citizenship. And, as their site says, "Each country has its own laws on
>> acquiring, renouncing or losing citizenship."
>
>And only the Israeli Apartheid Regime's laws are based upon race or
>religion.
>
>> Besides, "... In spite of the fact that multiple nationality is
>> accepted a person holding dual nationality may lose his or her Finnish
>> citizenship at the age of 22 if he or she lacks sufficiently close ties
>> with Finland."
>
>Note that it is not based upon race or the religious preference as is
>the case in the Israeli Apartheid Regime.
>
>
>> > Camera, like most Israeli propaganda and disinformation sites, is
>> > clearly spreading disinformation by comparing the racist and immoral
>> > lows of Israel with that of decent and moral countries like Finland.
>> > By attacking the Harvard article, Camera and the other Israeli
>> > propaganda and disinformation sites prove the validity of the article
>> > itself.
>>
>> Misreading of that article may lead to that conclusion.
>
>Your racist ZioNazi ideology may have polluted your mind into thinking
>so.



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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann
>>
>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001
>>
>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm
>>
>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.
>>
>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.
>>
>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.
>>
>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.
>>
>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."
>>
>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.
>>
>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.
>>
>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron
>>
>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.
>>
>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.
>>
>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."
>>
>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.
>>
>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.
>>
>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."
>>
>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.
>>
>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.
>>
>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.
>>
>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.
>>
>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.
>>
>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.
>>
>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.
>>
>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.
>>
>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.
>>
>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.
>>
>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM
>>
>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.
>>
>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.
>>
>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.
>>
>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.
>>
>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."
>>
>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.
>>
>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.
>>
>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.
>>
>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.
>>
>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
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51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
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>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
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>
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>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
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>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
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>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
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>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
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>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
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From: The Truth Seeker 
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC)

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>Posted by: 
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
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Does this mean, that in Britain as well as in Canada, the TRUTH is no
defence?

What ethnic minority is really controlling what one thinks, and what
one can believe, and what one is taught, and what one may read without
fear of prosecution?

Will Ellis be another vcictim like Irving, Zuendel, Rudolf and similar
around the world?


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:37:52 +0000, Paul Hyett
 wrote:
>In uk.politics.misc on Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Chris X
> wrote :
>>
>>The problem is, as I have previously predicted -
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4838498.stm
>>
>>A lecturer who suggested ethnicity could influence average intelligence 
>>levels has been suspended from his job.
>>Dr Frank Ellis was suspended from his post as a lecturer at Leeds University 
>>pending disciplinary procedures.
>>
>>The university emphasised that the suspension was not itself a penalty but 
>>said it had been deemed appropriate given "the seriousness of the issues".
>>
>>>> Let's see how long the University stick to that line, shall we ?
>>
>>Well, well - it didn't take them long to go from saying that he was "free to 
>>hold and express his views despite what the protesters think" to suspending 
>>him - doubtless with a view to sacking him or forcing him to resign - due to 
>>the "seriousness of the issue".
>
>In other words, pressure from 'various sources'...
>
>It seems it's OK to point out differences in physical abilities between
>races, but not intellectual ones.



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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for
the ZYDS, then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
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>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!

Now that more and more German survivors of the post-war genocide by
the US and allies are no longer afraid to testify, perhaps they too
will start demanding reparations for their torture, as did the filthy
ZHIDS for the holohoax?


>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:44:49 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
> wrote:
>>What an idiot.
>>The poster stated that he was told about the incident AFTER the war,
>>not that it happened after the war.


>>On 14 Dec 2004 01:33:31 GMT, COL. RSJ 
>>wrote:
>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:59:16 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>wrote:

>>>>I knew an older German living her that was in Ike' camp about 35 years
>>>>ago he told me the stories how he watched as they collected the death
>>>>every morning. He said also only the strongest once did get extra food
>>>>rationing to carry away the death. At one time the did stack up the
>>>>death into a pile and a film grew form from America took pictures of it.
>>>>He also said he has seen this film clip here in Canada latter on where
>>>>it was portrayed as a sceene from the concentration camps.

>>>So then, this all happened back in 1969.  I could have sworn that WW2
>>>was long over by then.

>>>>Kurt Knoll
>>>>Kitimat B.C. Canada

>>>>"Ernst Zundholtz"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1102955538.674ea702dd61a9f1ccb0b3a7dde7eba0@teranews...
>>>>> On 13 Dec 2004 01:34:52 -0800, "Schorsch"  wrote:
>>>>> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>> >> In article <1102789129.632939.294380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> >> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>> >> >Allied Plans for the Annihilation of the German People
>>>>> >> >Measures for the Devastation of the Heart of Europe
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Was there some point you wished to make?
>>>>>
>>>>> >Was there one you wished to make?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>>> the following article...
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Es Stimmt-Ike's Death Camps for Germans!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>>>> Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>>>>> and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>>>>> unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>>>>> Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>>>> diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>>>>> his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>>>> Here is the latest.......
>>>>>
>>>>> From: cmsahe@excite.com (Carlos cmsahe)
>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.europe
>>>>> Subject: "Ike"'s Death camps
>>>>> Date: 18 Feb 2002 07:43:47 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>> A U.S. PRISON GUARD AT ONE OF "IKE'S DEATH CAMPS"
>>>>>
>>>>> By Martin Brech
>>>>>
>>>>> FORTY-FIVE years ago, I witnessed an atrocity: the deliberate
>>>>> starvation of German POWs by our own army. History, written by the
>>>>> victors, suppressed all news of this atrocity until James Bacque, a
>>>>> Canadian author, published his brilliant expose, OTHER LOSSES. This
>>>>> book is a best seller in Canada, a sensation in Europe, yet is
>>>>> virtually unavailable (censored?) in the U.S. Our major booksellers
>>>>> told me their distributors are not handling it. When I prevailed upon
>>>>> a small, independent bookstore to order direct from Canada, the
>>>>> publisher told them they would be the only store in New York State to
>>>>> carry the book. This in 'the land of the free'?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Fortunately, Pat Buchanan called attention to OTHER LOSSES in his
>>>>> January 10, 1990 column. He wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Conclusion: the U.S. Army killed ten times as many Germans in POW
>>>>> camps as we did on battlefields from Normandy to V.E. day. (German
>>>>> POWs) had their rations cut below survival level until they were dying
>>>>> at rates up to 30% of exposure, starvation and neglect... Red Cross
>>>>> food trains were turned back and U.S. food shipments sat on the
>>>>> docks...One French officer said the U.S. camps reminded him of Dachau
>>>>> and Buchenwald...The book blames Eisenhower. 'The German is a beast,'
>>>>> Ike had written...But that was not how the Canadians and British felt,
>>>>> who treated their prisoners justly...It was not the view of General
>>>>> Mark Clark, nor of Patton...Ignoring the book is not enough."
>>>>> Pat Buchanan's courageous column inspired me to help end the cover-up
>>>>> of the atrocity I had witnessed. I wrote letters to several newspapers
>>>>> which were, of necessity, short and incomplete. Now I would like to
>>>>> finally free more of my painful memories, hoping to be heard, so that
>>>>> this will help us to acknowledge our share in the "banality of evil",
>>>>> cleansing ourselves with the truth. Perhaps we as a nation may then
>>>>> put this behind us with some integrity and with some hope for
>>>>> redemption.
>>>>>
>>>>> In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the army while a
>>>>> student at the NYS College of Forestry. Largely due to the "Battle of
>>>>> the Bulge", my training was cut short, my furlough cut in half, and I
>>>>> was then immediately sent overseas. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France,
>>>>> we were quickly loaded into boxcars and shipped to the front. By the
>>>>> time we reached it, I had developed mononucleosis severely enough to
>>>>> be sent to a hospital in Belgium.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the time I left the hospital, the unit I had trained with in
>>>>> Spartenburg, South Carolina was so deeply into Germany that I warn
>>>>> placed in a "repo depo" (a replacement depot) despite my protests. I
>>>>> then lost interest in which units I was assigned to because non-combat
>>>>> units were generally not respected. My separation qualification record
>>>>> states that I served mostly with the 14th Infantry Regiment, during
>>>>> which time I guarded prisoners of war and served as an interpreter.
>>>>> During my seventeen month stay in Germany, I was transferred to other
>>>>> outfits also.
>>>>>
>>>>> In late March or early April 1945, I was assigned to help guard a POW
>>>>> camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school
>>>>> German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was
>>>>> forbidden.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret
>>>>> out the S.S. (I found none.)
>>>>>
>>>>> In Andernach, between 50,000 and 65,000 prisoners, ranging in age from
>>>>> very young teens to very old men, were crowded together in an open
>>>>> field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate
>>>>> enclosure which I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no
>>>>> tents or other shelter, no blankets and many had no coats. Inadequate
>>>>> numbers of slit trenches were provided for excrement, and so the men
>>>>> lived and slept in the mud and increasing filth during a cold, wet
>>>>> spring. Their misery from exposure alone was evident.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was even more shocking to see them eating grass, sometimes throwing
>>>>> it into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this
>>>>> hoping to ease their hunger pains. Soon their emaciation was evident.
>>>>
>>>>> Dysentery raged and, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches,
>>>>> they were increasingly sleeping in excrement. I saw no sign of
>>>>> provision for water, so the thin soup was their food and water for the
>>>>> day. Some days there was bread, less than a slice each. Other days
>>>>> there was nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sight of so many men desperate for food and water, sickening and
>>>>> dying before our eyes, is indescribable. Even now, I can only think of
>>>>> it momentarily.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had ample food and supplies that could have been shared more
>>>>> humanely, and we could have offered some medical assistance, but did
>>>>> nothing. Only the dead were quickly and efficiently taken care of:
>>>>> hauled away to mass graves.
>>>>>
>>>>> My outrage reached the point that I protested to my officers, but I
>>>>> was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they
>>>>> explained they were under strict orders from "higher up". No officer
>>>>> would dare to systematically do this to over 50,000 prisoners if he
>>>>> felt he was violating general policy and subject to court martial. The
>>>>> term "war criminal" was just beginning to come into fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the
>>>>> kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too
>>>>> repeated that they were under strict orders to severely ration the
>>>>> prisoners' food, and that these orders came from "higher up". But he
>>>>> said they had more food than they knew what to do with and would sneak
>>>>> me some.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I threw this food over the barbed wires to the prisoners I was
>>>>> caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense", and
>>>>> one officer threatened to shoot me. I naturally assumed this was a
>>>>> bluff, but I began to have some doubts after I encountered a captain
>>>>> on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian
>>>>> women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, "Why?" he mumbled,
>>>>> "Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the
>>>>> women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any
>>>>> had been hit.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is when I more fully realized I was dealing with some
>>>>> cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered
>>>>> the Germans sub-human and worthy of extermination; another expression
>>>>> of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper,
>>>>> Stars & Stripes, played up the Nazi concentration camps, complete with
>>>>> photographs of emaciated bodies; this amplified our self-righteous
>>>>> cruelty and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to
>>>>> oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to
>>>>> prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and
>>>>> civilians. At least, many combat soldiers told me later they would not
>>>>> have tolerated this, for they combined hatred with respect for a
>>>>> courageous enemy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The prisoners I spoke to were mostly simple farmers and workingmen, as
>>>>> ignorant, albeit nationalistic, as many of our own troops. I heard
>>>>> many versions of "my country, right or wrong, my country," which we
>>>>> still hear in our own country today.
>>>>>
>>>>> As time went on, many of them lapsed into a Zombie-like state of
>>>>> listlessness. Others, maddened by thirst, tried to escape in a
>>>>> desperate or suicidal fashion, running through open fields in broad
>>>>> daylight towards the Rhine to quench their thirst. They were mowed
>>>>> down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some prisoners were extremely eager for cigarettes, saying they took
>>>>> the edge off their hunger. Accordingly, some enterprising G.I. "Yankee
>>>>> traders" were acquiring hordes of wrist watches and rings in exchange
>>>>> for handfuls of cigarettes or less. When I began throwing cartons of
>>>>> cigar-ettes to the prisoners to ruin this trade, I found myself
>>>>> threatened by rank-and-file G.I.s also. At least this taught me an
>>>>> indelible lesson: how wrong majorities and authorities can be.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bright spot in this gloomy picture came, oddly enough, one night
>>>>> when I was put on the "graveyard shift", from two to four A.M.
>>>>> Actually, there was a graveyard on the uphill side of this enclosure,
>>>>> not many yards away. My superiors had forgotten to give me a
>>>>> flashlight and I hadn't bothered to ask, being disgusted with the
>>>>> whole situation by that time. It was a fairly bright night and I soon
>>>>> became aware of a prisoner crawling under the wires to the graveyard.
>>>>> We were supposed to shoot escapees on sight, so I started to get up to
>>>>> warn him to get back. Suddenly I noticed another prisoner crawling
>>>>> from the graveyard back to the enclosure. They were risking their
>>>>> lives to get to the graveyard for something; I had to investigate.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I entered the gloom of this shrubby, tree-shaded cemetery, I
>>>>> never felt more vulnerable, but somehow curiosity kept me going.
>>>>> Despite my caution, I tripped over the legs of someone in a prone
>>>>> position. Whipping my rifle around while stumbling and trying to
>>>>> regain composure of mind and body, I soon was relieved I hadn't
>>>>> reflexively fired. The figure sat up, moving erratically. Gradually I
>>>>> could see the beautiful but terror-stricken face of a woman with a
>>>>> picnic basket nearby. German civilians were not allowed to feed, nor
>>>>> even come near, the prisoners, so I quickly assured her I approved of
>>>>> what she was doing, not to be afraid, and that I would leave the
>>>>> graveyard to get out of the way, telling no one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I left the graveyard as quickly as possible and sat down, leaning
>>>>> against a tree at the edge CF the cemetary to be inconspicuous and not
>>>>> frighten the prisoners. I imagined then, and often since, what it
>>>>> would be like to be a prisoner under those conditions and meet a
>>>>> beautiful woman with a picnic basket. I never saw her again, but I
>>>>> have never forgotten her face.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I watched, more prisoners crawled to and from the enclosure. I
>>>>> saw they were dragging food back to their comrades and could only
>>>>> admire their courage and devotion. As I walked back to my quarters at
>>>>> the end of my shift, a nightingale and I were singing -- both felt a
>>>>> touch of spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I originally did not intend to reveal the following incident, for it
>>>>> moves into a realm termed "mystical". However, for me, it was an
>>>>> extremely significant experience, changing my life, providing a light
>>>>> no darkness can extinguish. It must be told, hoping it will foster
>>>>> understanding.)
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, V.E. day, I decided to celebrate with some prisoners I was
>>>>> guarding who were baking bread, meager amounts of which the other
>>>>> prisoners occasionally received. This group had all the bread they
>>>>> could eat, and shared the jovial mood generated by the end of the war.
>>>>> We all thought we would be going home soon, a pathetic hope on their
>>>>> part. We were in what was to become the French zone, and I later
>>>>> witnessed the brutality of the French soldiers when we transferred our
>>>>> prisoners to them for their slave labor camps (see below).
>>>>>
>>>>> However, on this day we were happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> After chatting with them about the potentials of peace for the rest of
>>>>> our lives, I decided to risk a gesture of trust that objectively would
>>>>> seem foolish. I emptied my rifle and stood it in the corner. They
>>>>> tested me further by asking to play with it, and I agreed. Intuitively
>>>>> I felt I could rely on their sense of honor not to attack me, for they
>>>>> knew they too were being tested. This thoroughly 'broke the ice', and
>>>>> soon we were singing songs we taught each other or I had learned in
>>>>> high school German ("Du, du, liegst mir im Herzen"). Out of gratitude,
>>>>> they secretly baked a small sweet bread and insisted I take it,
>>>>> explaining it was the only possible gift they had left to offer.
>>>>> Expressing my gratitude with a lump in my throat, I put it in my tight
>>>>> "Eisenhower jacket" so I could sneak it back to my barracks. I later
>>>>> found an opportunity to eat it outside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never had bread tasted more delicious, nor conveyed to me a deeper
>>>>> sense of communion while eating it. A wonderful feeling pervaded me,
>>>>> gently opening me to an intimation of the Oneness of all Being.
>>>>> Through those prisoners I sensed the ~cosmic presence of what has been
>>>>> called the Christ, Buddha-nature, or, perhaps most aptly, the
>>>>> Ineffable: cosmically present, but hidden and apparently separate,
>>>>> until revealed in the wholeness of the giving of the self. Even within
>>>>> the horror humans had created, I was taught a path to redemption may
>>>>> open by taking a first, tentative step in the direction of love,
>>>>> understanding and forgiveness. This above all the prisoners taught me:
>>>>> not only are we all potentially humane humans, there is divinity
>>>>> within us waiting for us to dissolve the defensive shield of ego. I
>>>>> was pleased to discover later the words of Matthew 25:34-46,
>>>>> expressing the potential within prisoners and all who are at our
>>>>> mercy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shortly after this experience I was plunged into even greater horror.
>>>>> Some of our weak and sickly prisoners were being marched off by French
>>>>> soldiers to their camp. The truck we were on first passed another
>>>>> truck picking up bodies along the side of the road, and then came up
>>>>> behind a slowly moving column of men. Temporarily we slowed down and
>>>>> remained behind, perhaps because the driver was as shocked as I was.
>>>>> The French soldiers were apparently incensed at the poor condition of
>>>>> our prisoners, not only for labor but for marching to another camp.
>>>>> Whenever a prisoner staggered or dropped back, the French clubbed him
>>>>> to death and then dragged him to the side of the road. For many, this
>>>>> quick death might have been preferable to their prolonged suffering.
>>>>> Even gas would have been more merciful than our murder by neglect in
>>>>> our slow 'killing fields'.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I saw the German women held in a separate enclosure, I asked why
>>>>> we were keeping them. I was told they were "camp followers", selected
>>>>> as breeding stock for the S.S. to create a super-race. We provided
>>>>> them with tents but they were extremely hungry. I spoke to some and
>>>>> must say they were still spirited and attractive. However, I believe I
>>>>> was objective enough when I told all concerned that I didn't think
>>>>> they deserved our treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an interpreter, I was able to prevent some particularly unfortunate
>>>>> arrests. One somewhat amusing incident occurred during a pre-dawn raid
>>>>> we conducted on a town to discover Nazis or arms. An old farmer was
>>>>> being dragged away by some soldiers. I was told he had a "fancy Nazi
>>>>> medal", which they showed to me. Fortunately, I had a chart
>>>>> identifying such medals. He had been awarded it for having five or
>>>>> more children! Perhaps his wife was somewhat relieved to get him "off
>>>>> her back", but I didn't think one of our 'death camps' was a fair
>>>>> punishment for his contribution to Germany. The soldiers agreed and
>>>>> released him to continue his "dirty work".
>>>>>
>>>>> Famine was spreading amongst German civilians also. It was a common
>>>>> sight to see German women up to their elbows in our garbage cans
>>>>> looking for something edible -- that is, when they weren't chased
>>>>> away.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I interviewed mayors of small towns and villages, I was told
>>>>> their supply of food had been taken away by "displaced persons"
>>>>> (foreigners who had worked in Germany), who packed the food on trucks
>>>>> and drove away. When I reported this, the response was a shrug or an
>>>>> expression of helplessness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the Red Cross coffee and doughnut stands were available
>>>>> everywhere for us, I never saw any Red Cross in the prison camps or
>>>>> helping the civilians. While my girlfriend had all the "contraband"
>>>>> doughnuts she could eat, most Germans had to share their meager hidden
>>>>> stores and wait until the next harvest.
>>>>>
>>>>> This hunger undoubtedly made many German women more "available", but,
>>>>> despite this, rape was incredibly prevalent and often accompanied by
>>>>> additional violence. I particularly remember a charming eighteen year
>>>>> old girl who had several unsuccessful suitors and was "just friends"
>>>>> with me, who had the side of her face smashed with a rifle butt and
>>>>> was then raped by two G.I.s. The casual shooting of German civilians
>>>>> also continued, usually by drunken soldiers who would tell of this as
>>>>> something amusing. All too many G.I.s gave the impression they were
>>>>> 1ike animals released from cages, free to do what they liked because
>>>>> they were dealing with yet a lower species of animal, a reverse
>>>>> racism, inflamed by our propaganda. However, even the French
>>>>> complained to me that our rape and drunken destructive behavior in
>>>>> their country was excessive. When we had arrived in Le Havre, we had
>>>>> been given booklets instructing us that the Germans had maintained a
>>>>> high standard of behavior with French civilians who were peaceful, and
>>>>> that we should do the same. In this we failed miserably.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what? we might still say. The enemies' atrocities were worse than
>>>>> ours. Certainly my experiences were only of the last phases of the
>>>>> war, when we were already clearly the victors. The Nazi opportunity
>>>>> for atrocities had faded and ours was unleashed. But we might have
>>>>> learned the simple lesson that two wrongs do not make a right. Perhaps
>>>>> we might even have broken the cycle of vengeful retaliation and
>>>>> unbridled hatred, fed by racism, that has plagued human history and
>>>>> blighted human potential all to long. Instead, we committed our own
>>>>> atrocities and now are clinging to a cover-up. That is why I am
>>>>> speaking out now, forty-five years after the crime. We can never
>>>>> prevent individual war crimes, but we can, if enough of us speak out,
>>>>> influence government policy. We can reject government propaganda that
>>>>> depicts our enemies as subhuman and encourages the kinds of outrages I
>>>>> witnessed. We can protest the bombing of civilian targets, which still
>>>>> goes on today. (I will never forget the sickly sweet smell of rotting
>>>>> human flesh rising from the shattered remains of the cities and towns
>>>>> I entered.) And we can refuse ever to condone our government' s murder
>>>>> of unarmed and defeated prisoners of war.
>>>>>
>>>>> I realized it's difficult to admit witnessing a crime of this
>>>>> magnitude, especially if implicated oneself. Even G.I .s sympathetic
>>>>> to the victims told me they were afraid to oppose so massive a policy
>>>>> that would surely seek to cover its tracks. I never heard this
>>>>> directly from an officer, but it was the belief of the rank-and-file
>>>>> G.I.s I spoke to that we were not to "talk" because, first, no one
>>>>> would believe us, and second, we would surely get into trouble. They
>>>>> all insisted it was better not to talk, and slowly I too realized it
>>>>> would be futile and dangerous. That is, until now, thanks to James
>>>>> Bacque and Pat Buchanan. This is not to say the danger has passed.
>>>>> Since I "spoke out" recently, my mailbox has been smashed and I have
>>>>> received threatening phone calls. But I believe it is worth the risk.
>>>>> Writing about these atrocities has been a catharsis of feelings
>>>>> suppressed too long, a liberation, and perhaps will remind other
>>>>> witnesses and citizens -that "the truth shall make us free, have no
>>>>> fear." And, in any case, "the truth shall out".
>>>>>
>>>>> We may even learn a supreme lesson from all this: Hate is
>>>>> self-destructive; only love can conquer and evolve all as One.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin Brech
>>>>> (Adjunct Professor,
>>>>> Philosophy & Religion,
>>>>> Mercy College;
>>>>> Ex-G.I., Finally Free)
>>>>> Martin Brech, 187 Archer Road, Mahopac, NY 10541, Tel.: 914-628-6301
>>>>>
>>>>> James Bacque: Did the Allies starve millions of Germans?


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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
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together with

Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry who like
late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
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As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late
nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.



On Sun, 14 May 2006 21:56:15 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
>"kilgore"  wrote in message 
>news:xKE9g.4818$Sh3.2770@trnddc05...
>>  George wrote:
>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:e4422j$ij6$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>> http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html

>>> They got over it, Ben.  Digging up the past as you do only makes you a 
>>> bitter man.  But then, I doubt if there is a cure for you in that 
>>> respect.

>>> George
>> I lost a daughter  in 95. I will never get over it. Im sure the close 
>> relatives of these people as well as the thousands of German children who 
>> were starved to death in Denmark will be remembered for quite some time. 
>> The present political climate in Germany is run by people who answer to 
>> Washington and Israel.When the Jews say JUMP, the Krauts say Wie hoch?

>Sad, but very true.
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed,
>>  second it is violently opposed,  &
>>   third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>>
>> - Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860 




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From: The Truth Seeker 
Newsgroups:
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC)

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>Posted by: 
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
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Man muss wundern, wer hat $32 Millionen Geld, wenn es kein Plant gibt?
Ist $32 MILLIONEN  verschwunden?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:23:37 -0700, Ariadne 
wrote:

>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today in December, the
>report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT EVEN
>THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE COMPUTER 
>RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!

>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>interests of the public, and charities.

>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.

>From: Ken Levi 
>Newsgroups:
>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700

>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??

>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>from Germany?

>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>disappearance of this money from their control?
>
>
>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>
>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>
>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>
>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>
>
>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>
>
>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>local garbage dump.
>
>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>
>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>business in a nearby town.
>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>
>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>
>
>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>
>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>
>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>
>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>
>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>as well as City Hall.
>
>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>Deadmonton.
>
>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>
>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>
>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>
>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>
>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann
>>
>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001
>>
>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm
>>
>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.
>>
>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.
>>
>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.
>>
>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.
>>
>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."
>>
>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.
>>
>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.
>>
>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron
>>
>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.
>>
>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.
>>
>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."
>>
>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.
>>
>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.
>>
>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."
>>
>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.
>>
>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.
>>
>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.
>>
>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.
>>
>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.
>>
>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.
>>
>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.
>>
>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.
>>
>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.
>>
>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.
>>
>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM
>>
>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.
>>
>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.
>>
>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.
>>
>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.
>>
>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."
>>
>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.
>>
>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.
>>
>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.
>>
>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.
>>
>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:29:35 +1100, "Just JT" 
wrote:
>"Daeron"  wrote:

>> As it happens, yes I am Australian so yes the drugs were intended for me
>> and my nation. But neither I nor my community want Nguyen to be executed
>> for trying to do this stupid and wicked thing for his brother.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*ck off and speak for yourself, bleeding heart lefty! I live am Australian 
>and I AM HAPPY THAT THIS SCUMBAG DRUG CARRIER NGUYEN WILL PAY FOR HIS LIFE. 
>Australia should REINTRODUCE the death penalty for heinous crimes such as 
>DRUG TRAFFICKING.

>> And I see no reason that Singapore should have to pay for his imprisonment
>> either, just because it managed to pickup this person in transit whom the
>> Australian customs may or may not have caught. I think it is only fair 
>> that
>> he be transported to Australia for Australia to pay the costs.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*CK OFF AGAIN. Our taxpayers' money is better spent on PROTECTING and 
>SUPPORTING LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS like you and me. These CRIMINALS SHOULD ALL 
>DIE DIE DIE!!

>SINGAPORE, I SALUTE YOU FOR EXECUTING THIS DRUG CARRIER!!!

Singapore must be thanked for saving taxpayers in Australia many
millions in costs and maintenance of this garbage creature.
Send Singapore a good present for Chinese New Year 29 January.

Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have
approved special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags, as well as judges
giving special deals for multiple murderers!!

In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get
their just punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!

Tomorrow another drug dealer will get the Singapore Long Drop!!
HOORAY!!

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:34:37 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags, and multiple murderers!!

>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>of televising executions.

>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>but not limited to such, would include:

>         AIDS spreaders
>         rapists
>         drug dealers
>         home invaders
>         armed robbers
>         pederasts and similar child molesters
>         crooked liars/lawyers
>         corrupt judges
>         corrupt politicians
>         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>              criminals being released

>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:

>any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
>     obviously  include most faggots
>white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>     dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>     how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)

>More suggestions for both categories are invited.

>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>         vivisection
>         medical experiments without anaesthetic
>         target practice for police and military
>         beheading
>         hanging
>         barbecueing by electrocution
>         drawing & quartering
>         guillotining, very popular in France
>         flaying alive until dead
>         stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

>Suggestions are invited, on all the above points.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


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Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" 

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George" 




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At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage
people, such as drug dealers.

They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an
executed criminal will never re-offend!!

Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for
the upkeep in some pampering prison system!!

If only the justice systems in North America would follow suit!!!


On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
wrote:

>AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>the streets of Sydney.

>The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.

>But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>opposes the death penalty worldwide.

>Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.

>It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>appeals for clemency.

>It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>bodies or conceal it in their luggage.

>Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>lethally injects traffickers.

>Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>of couriers the trade calls "mules".

>"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>the law of quick dollars."

>The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>his own party room.

>The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.

>Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>previous successful run and another aborted attempt.

>This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>treaties.

>"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>we will continue to operate within."

>What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.

>The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.

>"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.

>Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.

>While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>action.

>The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>do as it thought best until charges were laid.

>By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>evidence had been gathered.

>Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>choose who it chooses to cooperate with."

>International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>a decade.

>Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.

>Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>support of up to 80 per cent.

>In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>die.

>Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.

>In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>acts of terrorism.

>Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.

>How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.

>Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.

>Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.

>It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>Jakarta.

>And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>his mind.

>Death penalty Australia's double dilemma 
>
>18.02.06
>By Greg Ansley



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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
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51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
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>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
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>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
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>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
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>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
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>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
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>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
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>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
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>
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>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
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>for many years around the world.
>
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>
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At least there are some good people in Poland, prepared to condemn the
AIDS-spreading fags!!

If only their policies could be transferred to Britain, France and the
US and Canada!

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:27:00 GMT, NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:
>For gays and lesbians, today's Poland like 1930s Germany
>
>Via NY Transfer News Collective  *  All the News that Doesn't Fit
> 
>The Irish Times - Mar 22, 2006
>http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2006/0322/1927956584FR22WARSAWLETTER.html
>
>'For gays and lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany' 
> 
>by Daniel McLaughlin: 
>
>He has been attacked by skinheads and threatened by police, but Szymon
>Niemiec can only see life in Poland getting even tougher. "For gays and
>lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany," he says. "We are ruled 
>by a fascist party, which uses the same language and ideas as Hitler."
>
>As a prominent gay rights campaigner, Mr Niemiec (25) has long been a
>target for extremist groups, but since the election of the Law and
>Justice party last autumn he has felt a new wave of prejudice coursing
>through deeply Catholic, conservative Poland.
>
>"The police even visited my home," he says, "and they told me they were
>ready to do what they did in 1985, when hundreds of gays and lesbians
>were rounded up and interrogated by the communist security services."
>
>Law and Justice (PiS) came to power promising to purge the European
>Union's largest new member of corruption, cronyism and disparities of
>wealth that have sent the Warsaw skyline soaring while the elderly
>struggle and unemployment nudges 20 per cent.
>
>Many however see a dark side to the party's "moral revolution" and the
>rhetoric of other social conservatives now challenging for power across
>central Europe.
>
>Human Rights Watch has accused President Lech Kaczynski of presiding
>over "official homophobia" in Poland, where as mayor of Warsaw he banned
>gay parades and said he was "not willing to meet perverts".
>
>His twin brother, Jaroslaw, the leader of PiS, has said gays should not
>teach in schools, while prime minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz has
>called homosexuality an "unnatural" thing that the state must prevent
>from "infecting" the general public.
>
>"These are Catholic fundamentalists," says Tomasz Szypula, of Poland's
>Campaign Against Homophobia. "They talk about total prohibition of
>abortion, and one of the first things they did after taking power was
>abolish the government office for gender equality, which dealt with all
>forms of prejudice here."
>
>It also helped fund many minority rights groups and was the kind of
>anti- discrimination body that the EU demands in all member states.
>Critics say its abolition exemplified the government's scorn for
>Brussels.
>
>"Some of the new EU members signed up to decrees to get into the EU but
>now treat them like an a la carte menu on which they can ignore what
>they don't like," says Michael Cashman, an English MEP.
>
>"This is part of a Catholic fundamentalism, aided and abetted by the
>image of the dead pope," he said, referring to Polish pontiff John Paul
>II, who died last April, "and they think that anyone who undermines
>their idea of the family should be denied fundamental rights."
>
>Events in Poland and moves to ban gay marriage in Latvia and Lithuania
>prompted the European Parliament to pass a resolution against homophobia
>in January. Only six of 54 Polish MEPs backed the motion, and many say
>the EU cannot hope to match the influence of the Catholic Church on
>Poland's new government.
>
>President Kaczynski's first foreign trip was to the Vatican, and
>government officials frequently give exclusive interviews to the print
>and broadcast media run by controversial Catholic priest Tadeusz Rydzyk.
>
>Through five decades of communist rule, the church survived as a symbol
>of resistance and Polish identity. Now, for millions of Poles struggling
>to adapt to free-market life, it is again the rallying point for a
>return to traditional, national values.
>
>"The EU is seen as a godless, atheist, immoral, liberal thing," says
>Marek Antoni Nowicki, the head of the Helsinki Foundation for Human
>Rights in Warsaw. "For Catholic societies like Poland's, that creates a
>psychological distance."
>
>This year's elections in Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic also
>look likely to favour right-wing eurosceptics with a streak of social
>conservatism.
>
>Slovakia's coalition government collapsed recently when its biggest
>party blocked a bill to give Catholics the right to refuse certain
>duties on religious grounds.
>
>Czech homosexuals lambasted their president for vetoing a law to extend
>the rights of same-sex partners, with a ruling that activist Jiri
>Hromada called "a tragic decision from a medieval monarch".
>
>Mr Cashman calls intolerance "a worrying trend in eastern Europe". "We
>mustn't let a shift to more right-wing governments undermine the rights
>of minorities, or let people use hate-speak to appeal to voters."
>
>The rhetoric of intolerance rarely spawns violence in Poland, but Mr
>Nowicki sees danger in recent government attacks on the independent
>media and judiciary.
>
>"It is not about the government passing certain laws, but creating a
>certain atmosphere," he says. "Safeguards exist, and we have to prevent
>their erosion. If they want a war then it has at least one positive
>aspect - that there are many people here ready to fight them."
>
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Subject: Re: Christian Girls Sold to ZYD Sex Slavery!!
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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for
the ZYDS, then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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Does this mean, that in Britain as well as in Canada, the TRUTH is no
defence?

What ethnic minority is really controlling what one thinks, and what
one can believe, and what one is taught, and what one may read without
fear of prosecution?

Will Ellis be another vcictim like Irving, Zuendel, Rudolf and similar
around the world?


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:37:52 +0000, Paul Hyett
 wrote:
>In uk.politics.misc on Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Chris X
> wrote :
>>
>>The problem is, as I have previously predicted -
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4838498.stm
>>
>>A lecturer who suggested ethnicity could influence average intelligence 
>>levels has been suspended from his job.
>>Dr Frank Ellis was suspended from his post as a lecturer at Leeds University 
>>pending disciplinary procedures.
>>
>>The university emphasised that the suspension was not itself a penalty but 
>>said it had been deemed appropriate given "the seriousness of the issues".
>>
>>>> Let's see how long the University stick to that line, shall we ?
>>
>>Well, well - it didn't take them long to go from saying that he was "free to 
>>hold and express his views despite what the protesters think" to suspending 
>>him - doubtless with a view to sacking him or forcing him to resign - due to 
>>the "seriousness of the issue".
>
>In other words, pressure from 'various sources'...
>
>It seems it's OK to point out differences in physical abilities between
>races, but not intellectual ones.



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Subject: Re: GEKO-Wer Hat  $32 MILLIONEN fuer Plant in Edmonton Kanada,nach 3 Jahre? Geld Verschwunden?
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Man muss wundern, wer hat $32 Millionen Geld, wenn es kein Plant gibt?
Ist $32 MILLIONEN  verschwunden?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:23:37 -0700, Ariadne 
wrote:

>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today in December, the
>report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT EVEN
>THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE COMPUTER 
>RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!

>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>interests of the public, and charities.

>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.

>From: Ken Levi 
>Newsgroups:
>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700

>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??

>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>from Germany?

>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>disappearance of this money from their control?
>
>
>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>
>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>
>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>
>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>
>
>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>
>
>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>local garbage dump.
>
>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>
>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>business in a nearby town.
>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>
>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>
>
>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>
>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>
>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>
>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>
>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>as well as City Hall.
>
>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>Deadmonton.
>
>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>
>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>
>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>
>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>
>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>
>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>Canada and the USA!!
>
>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
>>or even ask Jan Reimer who brought it up in the election campaign...
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Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?


On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann  wrote:

>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>
>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.
>
>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.
>
>



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Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!


On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann  wrote:

>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>
>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.
>
>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.
>
>



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Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing $32 MILLION?? Bis Jetzt,nach 3 Jahre -Kein Plant!! Wo Ist 32 Millionen?
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Nochmal fragen - 
Wenn es wirklich kein Plant in Kanada gibt, dann wer hat die 32
MILLIONEN?  Ist GEKO dann kaput?

Kann Bundesfinanzamt erklaeren?


>On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:04:45 GMT, Asterix
> wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:34 -0600, Chief Instigator
>> wrote:
>
>>>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today 15 August 2005,
>>>the report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT
>>>EVEN THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE 
>>>COMPUTER RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!
>>
>>>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>>>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>>>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>>>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>>>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>>>interests of the public, and charities.
>>
>>>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>>>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.
>>
>>Bis jetzt, keine Plant!!
>>Wo ist 32 Millionen?
>>
>>
>>>From: Ken Levi 
>>>Newsgroups:
>>>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>>>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>>>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700
>>
>>>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>>>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>>>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>>>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??
>>
>>>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>>>from Germany?
>>
>>>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>>>disappearance of this money from their control?
>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>>>
>>>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>>>
>>>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>>>
>>>
>>>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>>>
>>>
>>>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>>>local garbage dump.
>>>
>>>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>>>
>>>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>>>business in a nearby town.
>>>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>>>
>>>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>>>
>>>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>>>
>>>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>>>
>>>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>>>
>>>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>>>as well as City Hall.
>>>
>>>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>>>Deadmonton.
>>>
>>>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>>>
>>>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>>>
>>>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>>>
>>>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>>>
>>>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>>>
>>>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>>>Canada and the USA!!
>>>
>>>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
>>>>or even ask Jan Reimer who brought it up in the election campaign...
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Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!


On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann  wrote:

>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html

>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.

Here is a Video:
Scenes from the streets of Moscow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz


A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz


A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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On Mon, 29 May 2006 06:26:45 +1000, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
 wrote:

>On 2006-05-29 13:02:35 +1000, "Revolutionary Ideas" 
> said:
>
>> 
>> "Asterix"  wrote in message
>> news:mdhj72dl15naaohdp1t94laej6ndrdlv9s@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?
>>> 
>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!
>> 
>> Hetero swine, hetero pervert, hetero fornicator, hetero terrorist you better
>> kill yourself by thrusting your filthy head into the cunts of your
>> fornicating whores and by eating their shit and drinking their piss. All
>> hetero bandits like you should be nuked.
>
>[snip remaining lines of santorum]
>
>Hahahahahaha!
>
>Looks like Grosvenor has met his perfect match!

Looks more like that Grosvenor is being strongly supported by normal
people in Russia!!



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On Mon, 29 May 2006 06:26:45 +1000, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
 wrote:

>On 2006-05-29 13:02:35 +1000, "Revolutionary Ideas" 
> said:
>
>> 
>> "Asterix"  wrote in message
>> news:mdhj72dl15naaohdp1t94laej6ndrdlv9s@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?
>>> 
>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!
>> 
>> Hetero swine, hetero pervert, hetero fornicator, hetero terrorist you better
>> kill yourself by thrusting your filthy head into the cunts of your
>> fornicating whores and by eating their shit and drinking their piss. All
>> hetero bandits like you should be nuked.
>
>[snip remaining lines of santorum]
>
>Hahahahahaha!
>
>Looks like Grosvenor has met his perfect match!

Looks more like that Grosvenor is being strongly supported by normal
people in Russia!!



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
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>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!


On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann  wrote:

>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html

>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.

Here is a Video:
Scenes from the streets of Moscow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm



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On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:19:07 -0000, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
 wrote:

>On 2006-05-30, le Corbeau  wrote ... 

>> wow! is Jew boy a pedophile too??? Such a pervert, his parents must be
>> mortified!

Why do you think that Dezi's dad, a cop, committed suicide?


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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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From: The Truth Seeker 
Newsgroups:
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC)

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
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>
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>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
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>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
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>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
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>
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On 30 May 2006 16:57:18 -0700, "His Divine Shadow"
 wrote:

>Asterix wrote:
>> When places like Edmonton get worldwide publicity for POLICE TORTURING
>> INNOCENT CIVILIANS; punk kids murder bus passenger and cops don't
>> bother to attend for over half an hour; many cops now charged with
>> tasering people; all the hooligans amok on Whyte Avenue while cops
>> stand by with fingers up their butts.
>
>FEAR! UNCERTANTY! DOUBT!
>
>Obviously, based on these hyperbolic and unsupportable statements, the
>only recourse is to panic.

I guess you can not afford to get newspapers, nor do you have a TV.

The media for the past few months have been reporting so many
incidents of crooked cops in Edmonton, one must wonder whether there
are any HONEST cops in that place.

Even the former police chief had to be fired for just cause.

Then, TV showed all the goons in town rioting, smashing store windows,
setting fires in the streets, and basically looking like somewhere in
darkest Africa.

Would any sane person want to go there as a tourist>
Of course, not!


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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann

>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001

>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm

>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.

>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.

>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.

>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.

>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."

>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.

>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.

>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron

>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.

>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.

>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."

>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.

>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.

>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."

>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.

>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.

>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.

>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.

>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.

>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.

>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.

>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.

>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.

>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.

>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM

>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.

>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.

>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.

>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.

>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."

>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.

>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.

>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.

>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.

>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
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51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
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>
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>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
>_________________________________________
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
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51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
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>
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>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
>_________________________________________
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC)

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>Posted by: 
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
>_________________________________________
>Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server
>More than 140,000 groups
>Unlimited download
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From: The Truth Seeker 
Newsgroups:
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC)

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>Posted by: 
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
>_________________________________________
>Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server
>More than 140,000 groups
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From: The Truth Seeker 
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC)

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>Posted by: 
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
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Subject: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC)

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous ŒStern
Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
not quite what it seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
the greater goal of a Zionist State.

The Truth Seeker has spoken.


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
 wrote:
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>PRAWDA!
>
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
> wrote:
>
>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>isolated incident!!
>
>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!
>
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  
>
>>>September 2004, page 86 
>
>>>Book Review
>
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>$15.
>
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>new Jewish nation. 
>>>
>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>glossary and index.
>>>
>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept. 
>>>
>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.
>>>
>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:
>>>
>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)
>>>
>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>>
>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.
>>>
>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>>
>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>Posted by: 
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
>Henry 
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
>nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" 
>
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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann

>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001

>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm

>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.

>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.

>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.

>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.

>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."

>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.

>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.

>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron

>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.

>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.

>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."

>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.

>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.

>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."

>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.

>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.

>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.

>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.

>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.

>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.

>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.

>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.

>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.

>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.

>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM

>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.

>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.

>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.

>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.

>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."

>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.

>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.

>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.

>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.

>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."


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On 24 Sep 2005 07:10:53 -0700, "Schorsch"  wrote:

>From: theage.com.au
>Website denigrates Wiesenthal
>By Xavier La Canna
>September 21, 2005 - 12:25PM

>An Australian Jewish group has been angered by the use of an online
>encyclopedia to attack the memory of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, who
>died yesterday.

>The Wikipedia website, a collection of articles that can be freely
>edited by users, displayed false information about Mr Wiesenthal,
>claiming he partook in various sex acts in Austria with other men.

>"In the 1970's he became involved in gay life when he began spending
>his free time giving oral sex to older black men", the site read in
>part this morning. It continued on for several paragraphs.

>Wiesenthal, a holocaust survivor who helped track down more than 1000
>Nazi war criminals, died in his sleep at home in Vienna yesterday. He
>was 96.

>The Council of Australian Jewry was angered at the posting on the
>Wikipedia website, which gets about 60 million hits a day, and said it
>was a blatant attempt to denigrate the memory of Mr Wiesenthal.

>"I suppose if you are a former Nazi or sympathiser then it makes sense
>to try and denigrate the person who is bringing you down," said
>executive officer with the group, Josh Landis.

>Advertisement
>Advertisement"This is abhorrent and shows a lack of respect to his
>memory."

>Mr Landis said he would informally speak with other members of the
>council to see what action could be taken against he website.

>"I can imagine people will regard this as extremely offensive, and
>degrading the history of someone who was known universally for their
>stand on human rights," he said.

>The erroneous information was edited by other users of the website but
>is still accessible for users who view the history of the Wikipedia
>edits on the page.

>Jimmy Wales, who co-founded Wikipedia in 2001, said in a recent article
>that he was disappointed in users who abused the website.

>In April after the death of the pope an anonymous user replaced the
>image of incoming pope Benedict XVI with the evil emperor from Star
>Wars.

>"Such pranks are a little disappointing, but given how insane the whole
>idea is in the first place - that you could let anybody edit any page -
>it's a miracle that so little vandalism goes on," Mr Wales reportedly
>said.

>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/09/21/1126982101177.html

>The page on Wiesenthal:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal
>and the discussion on it:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Simon_Wiesenthal


Subject: ZHID NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSED INNOCENT PEOPLE - Repost

From: "serwad" 
Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.russian,
Subject: NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSES INNOCENT PEOPLE
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:47:32 -0500

EVEN THOUGH SIMON WIESENTHAL WAS A GESTAPO INFORMANT, AFTER THE WAR HE
HAD RUINED THOUSANDS OF LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE BY ACCUSING THEM OF
BEING NAZIS!

Nazi atrocities accused Venezuelan businessman (85) cleared of WW2
charges

European Jewish Press (EJP): Estonian prosecutors have dropped a case 
against an Estonian-born businessman now living in Venezuela who had
been accused of murdering some 100 Jews in Nazi-occupied Estonia in
World War II.

  "The hands of Harry Mannil are clean of blood, and a criminal case 
regarding him has been closed because he was involved in no crime,"
Estonian prosecutor Heino Tonismagi told reporters in Tallinn on
Friday, saying that a five-year investigation turned up no
incriminating evidence against Mannil.

The Vienna-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, which hunts down Nazi war 
criminals, has accused Mannil, now 85, of murdering some 100
civilians, mostly Jews, between 1941 and 1942 when he worked in the
Estonian and German security forces during the Nazi occupation of the
Baltic state.

But the Estonian investigation into Mannil's wartime activities did
not turn up any evidence that he took part in the arrest, torture or
killings of people while he worked for the police, or that he decided
their fate, the Tonismagi said.

"We established that Mannil interrogated some of the arrested people,"
Tonismagi said. "But Harry Mannil could not have participated in the
arrest of those people. We did not find any documents or witnesses to
prove that he participated in the arrest of Jews or in taking
decisions about their fate, to say nothing of executing decisions
about these people."

Tonismagi said it was "regrettable" that some Estonians collaborated
with Estonia's Nazi German occupiers during World War II, but added
that their guilt must be proven case by case. "Mannil is not guilty,"
he added.

Estonian law enforcement bodies interrogated Mannil five times during
their long probe and interviewed 56 witnesses.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Posted by: 
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molseter, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George"
,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com


~~




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Subject: Re: Christian Girls Sold to ZYD Sex Slavery!!
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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for
the ZYDS, then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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Subject: Re: Website denigrates Wiesenthal - It Tells Truth!
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On 24 Sep 2005 07:10:53 -0700, "Schorsch"  wrote:

>From: theage.com.au
>Website denigrates Wiesenthal
>By Xavier La Canna
>September 21, 2005 - 12:25PM

>An Australian Jewish group has been angered by the use of an online
>encyclopedia to attack the memory of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, who
>died yesterday.

>The Wikipedia website, a collection of articles that can be freely
>edited by users, displayed false information about Mr Wiesenthal,
>claiming he partook in various sex acts in Austria with other men.

>"In the 1970's he became involved in gay life when he began spending
>his free time giving oral sex to older black men", the site read in
>part this morning. It continued on for several paragraphs.

>Wiesenthal, a holocaust survivor who helped track down more than 1000
>Nazi war criminals, died in his sleep at home in Vienna yesterday. He
>was 96.

>The Council of Australian Jewry was angered at the posting on the
>Wikipedia website, which gets about 60 million hits a day, and said it
>was a blatant attempt to denigrate the memory of Mr Wiesenthal.

>"I suppose if you are a former Nazi or sympathiser then it makes sense
>to try and denigrate the person who is bringing you down," said
>executive officer with the group, Josh Landis.

>Advertisement
>Advertisement"This is abhorrent and shows a lack of respect to his
>memory."

>Mr Landis said he would informally speak with other members of the
>council to see what action could be taken against he website.

>"I can imagine people will regard this as extremely offensive, and
>degrading the history of someone who was known universally for their
>stand on human rights," he said.

>The erroneous information was edited by other users of the website but
>is still accessible for users who view the history of the Wikipedia
>edits on the page.

>Jimmy Wales, who co-founded Wikipedia in 2001, said in a recent article
>that he was disappointed in users who abused the website.

>In April after the death of the pope an anonymous user replaced the
>image of incoming pope Benedict XVI with the evil emperor from Star
>Wars.

>"Such pranks are a little disappointing, but given how insane the whole
>idea is in the first place - that you could let anybody edit any page -
>it's a miracle that so little vandalism goes on," Mr Wales reportedly
>said.

>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/09/21/1126982101177.html

>The page on Wiesenthal:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal
>and the discussion on it:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Simon_Wiesenthal


Subject: ZHID NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSED INNOCENT PEOPLE - Repost

From: "serwad" 
Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.russian,
Subject: NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSES INNOCENT PEOPLE
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:47:32 -0500

EVEN THOUGH SIMON WIESENTHAL WAS A GESTAPO INFORMANT, AFTER THE WAR HE
HAD RUINED THOUSANDS OF LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE BY ACCUSING THEM OF
BEING NAZIS!

Nazi atrocities accused Venezuelan businessman (85) cleared of WW2
charges

European Jewish Press (EJP): Estonian prosecutors have dropped a case 
against an Estonian-born businessman now living in Venezuela who had
been accused of murdering some 100 Jews in Nazi-occupied Estonia in
World War II.

  "The hands of Harry Mannil are clean of blood, and a criminal case 
regarding him has been closed because he was involved in no crime,"
Estonian prosecutor Heino Tonismagi told reporters in Tallinn on
Friday, saying that a five-year investigation turned up no
incriminating evidence against Mannil.

The Vienna-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, which hunts down Nazi war 
criminals, has accused Mannil, now 85, of murdering some 100
civilians, mostly Jews, between 1941 and 1942 when he worked in the
Estonian and German security forces during the Nazi occupation of the
Baltic state.

But the Estonian investigation into Mannil's wartime activities did
not turn up any evidence that he took part in the arrest, torture or
killings of people while he worked for the police, or that he decided
their fate, the Tonismagi said.

"We established that Mannil interrogated some of the arrested people,"
Tonismagi said. "But Harry Mannil could not have participated in the
arrest of those people. We did not find any documents or witnesses to
prove that he participated in the arrest of Jews or in taking
decisions about their fate, to say nothing of executing decisions
about these people."

Tonismagi said it was "regrettable" that some Estonians collaborated
with Estonia's Nazi German occupiers during World War II, but added
that their guilt must be proven case by case. "Mannil is not guilty,"
he added.

Estonian law enforcement bodies interrogated Mannil five times during
their long probe and interviewed 56 witnesses.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Posted by: 
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molseter, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George"
,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com


~~




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Subject: Re: "Moscow is not Sodom!" Faggots Only Good for Incineration!
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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Advice on the best way to learn Russian is sought.
If there are any free books or CDs to learn Russian, this info will be
much appreciated.

TIA


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Subject: Re: Christian Girls Sold to ZHID Sex Slavery!!
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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for
the ZYDS, then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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I am a pensioner in the far north of Canada, and I wish to learn
Russian because I am getting a lot of correspondence from Russia.

If you have textbooks for English to Russian, or CD for learning
Russian, kindly advise.
Reply to: intergroup@operamail.com


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Subject: Re: Website denigrates Wiesenthal - It Tells Truth!
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On 24 Sep 2005 07:10:53 -0700, "Schorsch"  wrote:

>From: theage.com.au
>Website denigrates Wiesenthal
>By Xavier La Canna
>September 21, 2005 - 12:25PM

>An Australian Jewish group has been angered by the use of an online
>encyclopedia to attack the memory of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, who
>died yesterday.

>The Wikipedia website, a collection of articles that can be freely
>edited by users, displayed false information about Mr Wiesenthal,
>claiming he partook in various sex acts in Austria with other men.

>"In the 1970's he became involved in gay life when he began spending
>his free time giving oral sex to older black men", the site read in
>part this morning. It continued on for several paragraphs.

>Wiesenthal, a holocaust survivor who helped track down more than 1000
>Nazi war criminals, died in his sleep at home in Vienna yesterday. He
>was 96.

>The Council of Australian Jewry was angered at the posting on the
>Wikipedia website, which gets about 60 million hits a day, and said it
>was a blatant attempt to denigrate the memory of Mr Wiesenthal.

>"I suppose if you are a former Nazi or sympathiser then it makes sense
>to try and denigrate the person who is bringing you down," said
>executive officer with the group, Josh Landis.

>Advertisement
>Advertisement"This is abhorrent and shows a lack of respect to his
>memory."

>Mr Landis said he would informally speak with other members of the
>council to see what action could be taken against he website.

>"I can imagine people will regard this as extremely offensive, and
>degrading the history of someone who was known universally for their
>stand on human rights," he said.

>The erroneous information was edited by other users of the website but
>is still accessible for users who view the history of the Wikipedia
>edits on the page.

>Jimmy Wales, who co-founded Wikipedia in 2001, said in a recent article
>that he was disappointed in users who abused the website.

>In April after the death of the pope an anonymous user replaced the
>image of incoming pope Benedict XVI with the evil emperor from Star
>Wars.

>"Such pranks are a little disappointing, but given how insane the whole
>idea is in the first place - that you could let anybody edit any page -
>it's a miracle that so little vandalism goes on," Mr Wales reportedly
>said.

>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/09/21/1126982101177.html

>The page on Wiesenthal:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal
>and the discussion on it:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Simon_Wiesenthal


Subject: ZHID NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSED INNOCENT PEOPLE - Repost

From: "serwad" 
Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.russian,
Subject: NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSES INNOCENT PEOPLE
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:47:32 -0500

EVEN THOUGH SIMON WIESENTHAL WAS A GESTAPO INFORMANT, AFTER THE WAR HE
HAD RUINED THOUSANDS OF LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE BY ACCUSING THEM OF
BEING NAZIS!

Nazi atrocities accused Venezuelan businessman (85) cleared of WW2
charges

European Jewish Press (EJP): Estonian prosecutors have dropped a case 
against an Estonian-born businessman now living in Venezuela who had
been accused of murdering some 100 Jews in Nazi-occupied Estonia in
World War II.

  "The hands of Harry Mannil are clean of blood, and a criminal case 
regarding him has been closed because he was involved in no crime,"
Estonian prosecutor Heino Tonismagi told reporters in Tallinn on
Friday, saying that a five-year investigation turned up no
incriminating evidence against Mannil.

The Vienna-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, which hunts down Nazi war 
criminals, has accused Mannil, now 85, of murdering some 100
civilians, mostly Jews, between 1941 and 1942 when he worked in the
Estonian and German security forces during the Nazi occupation of the
Baltic state.

But the Estonian investigation into Mannil's wartime activities did
not turn up any evidence that he took part in the arrest, torture or
killings of people while he worked for the police, or that he decided
their fate, the Tonismagi said.

"We established that Mannil interrogated some of the arrested people,"
Tonismagi said. "But Harry Mannil could not have participated in the
arrest of those people. We did not find any documents or witnesses to
prove that he participated in the arrest of Jews or in taking
decisions about their fate, to say nothing of executing decisions
about these people."

Tonismagi said it was "regrettable" that some Estonians collaborated
with Estonia's Nazi German occupiers during World War II, but added
that their guilt must be proven case by case. "Mannil is not guilty,"
he added.

Estonian law enforcement bodies interrogated Mannil five times during
their long probe and interviewed 56 witnesses.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Posted by: 
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molseter, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George"
,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com


~~




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Subject: Re: Christian Girls Sold to ZYD Sex Slavery!!
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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for
the ZYDS, then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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Subject: Re: Website denigrates Wiesenthal - It Tells Truth!
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On 24 Sep 2005 07:10:53 -0700, "Schorsch"  wrote:

>From: theage.com.au
>Website denigrates Wiesenthal
>By Xavier La Canna
>September 21, 2005 - 12:25PM

>An Australian Jewish group has been angered by the use of an online
>encyclopedia to attack the memory of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, who
>died yesterday.

>The Wikipedia website, a collection of articles that can be freely
>edited by users, displayed false information about Mr Wiesenthal,
>claiming he partook in various sex acts in Austria with other men.

>"In the 1970's he became involved in gay life when he began spending
>his free time giving oral sex to older black men", the site read in
>part this morning. It continued on for several paragraphs.

>Wiesenthal, a holocaust survivor who helped track down more than 1000
>Nazi war criminals, died in his sleep at home in Vienna yesterday. He
>was 96.

>The Council of Australian Jewry was angered at the posting on the
>Wikipedia website, which gets about 60 million hits a day, and said it
>was a blatant attempt to denigrate the memory of Mr Wiesenthal.

>"I suppose if you are a former Nazi or sympathiser then it makes sense
>to try and denigrate the person who is bringing you down," said
>executive officer with the group, Josh Landis.

>Advertisement
>Advertisement"This is abhorrent and shows a lack of respect to his
>memory."

>Mr Landis said he would informally speak with other members of the
>council to see what action could be taken against he website.

>"I can imagine people will regard this as extremely offensive, and
>degrading the history of someone who was known universally for their
>stand on human rights," he said.

>The erroneous information was edited by other users of the website but
>is still accessible for users who view the history of the Wikipedia
>edits on the page.

>Jimmy Wales, who co-founded Wikipedia in 2001, said in a recent article
>that he was disappointed in users who abused the website.

>In April after the death of the pope an anonymous user replaced the
>image of incoming pope Benedict XVI with the evil emperor from Star
>Wars.

>"Such pranks are a little disappointing, but given how insane the whole
>idea is in the first place - that you could let anybody edit any page -
>it's a miracle that so little vandalism goes on," Mr Wales reportedly
>said.

>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/09/21/1126982101177.html

>The page on Wiesenthal:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal
>and the discussion on it:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Simon_Wiesenthal


Subject: ZHID NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSED INNOCENT PEOPLE - Repost

From: "serwad" 
Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.russian,
Subject: NAZI WIESENTHAL....ACCUSES INNOCENT PEOPLE
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:47:32 -0500

EVEN THOUGH SIMON WIESENTHAL WAS A GESTAPO INFORMANT, AFTER THE WAR HE
HAD RUINED THOUSANDS OF LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE BY ACCUSING THEM OF
BEING NAZIS!

Nazi atrocities accused Venezuelan businessman (85) cleared of WW2
charges

European Jewish Press (EJP): Estonian prosecutors have dropped a case 
against an Estonian-born businessman now living in Venezuela who had
been accused of murdering some 100 Jews in Nazi-occupied Estonia in
World War II.

  "The hands of Harry Mannil are clean of blood, and a criminal case 
regarding him has been closed because he was involved in no crime,"
Estonian prosecutor Heino Tonismagi told reporters in Tallinn on
Friday, saying that a five-year investigation turned up no
incriminating evidence against Mannil.

The Vienna-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, which hunts down Nazi war 
criminals, has accused Mannil, now 85, of murdering some 100
civilians, mostly Jews, between 1941 and 1942 when he worked in the
Estonian and German security forces during the Nazi occupation of the
Baltic state.

But the Estonian investigation into Mannil's wartime activities did
not turn up any evidence that he took part in the arrest, torture or
killings of people while he worked for the police, or that he decided
their fate, the Tonismagi said.

"We established that Mannil interrogated some of the arrested people,"
Tonismagi said. "But Harry Mannil could not have participated in the
arrest of those people. We did not find any documents or witnesses to
prove that he participated in the arrest of Jews or in taking
decisions about their fate, to say nothing of executing decisions
about these people."

Tonismagi said it was "regrettable" that some Estonians collaborated
with Estonia's Nazi German occupiers during World War II, but added
that their guilt must be proven case by case. "Mannil is not guilty,"
he added.

Estonian law enforcement bodies interrogated Mannil five times during
their long probe and interviewed 56 witnesses.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Posted by: 
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molseter, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George"
,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com


~~




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On 11 May 2006 16:07:44 -0000, Ken Lewis  wrote:

>Doesn't the Constitution protect the freedom of the press, as well as freedom
>of expression?

>On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:29:50 GMT, "Constitutional Rights" 
>wrote:

>>It is illegal to post anyone's personal information on a newsgroup.

>Under what statute?

>JEFFREY G. BROWN
>8357 SUMMITRIDGE
>CINCINNATI OH 45255
>alphageek@GEEKMAN.COM
>Tel: 513-474-1953
>Fax: 513-474-9678

>Name  BROWN,JEFFREY G
>Driver License Number RJ339222
>Address 8357 SUMMITRIDGE
>City/State/Zip CINCINNATI OH 45255
>Sex Homo
>Dob Mar 13 1955
>Height 604
>Weight 245
>Eyes BLU
>Hair BRO

>SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 282-58-6925

>BANK ACCOUNTS AND ACCOUNT NUMBERS
>PNG BANK NATIONAL 4006-470-124    $1863.99
>                  4001-914-361       31.63
>                  4000-80-236      1363.58
>PUTNAM INVESTMENTS                26320.33

>EMPLOYER
>SIEMENS INTERNATIONAL
>4620 FOREST AVENUE
>CINCINNATI, OHIO 45237


>It seems that the Christkiller ZHIDS do not like having done to them, what
>they have consistently done to their critics, to the point where their critics
>mysteriously get fire-bombed!!


>On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:00:11 +0000, Leo Fellmann  wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:29:50 GMT, "Constitutional Rights" 
>>> wrote:

>>>>It is illegal to post anyone's personal information on a newsgroup.

>>> Under what statute?

>>The world is not the USA. In many, many countries posting personal
>>information  such as he did without consent would be illegal under data
>>protection laws.



>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant




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Subject: Re: Parade of faggots in Moscow get a good kicking
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Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!


On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann  wrote:

>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html

>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.

Here is a Video:
Scenes from the streets of Moscow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz


A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz


A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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On Mon, 29 May 2006 06:26:45 +1000, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
 wrote:

>On 2006-05-29 13:02:35 +1000, "Revolutionary Ideas" 
> said:
>
>> 
>> "Asterix"  wrote in message
>> news:mdhj72dl15naaohdp1t94laej6ndrdlv9s@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?
>>> 
>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!
>> 
>> Hetero swine, hetero pervert, hetero fornicator, hetero terrorist you better
>> kill yourself by thrusting your filthy head into the cunts of your
>> fornicating whores and by eating their shit and drinking their piss. All
>> hetero bandits like you should be nuked.
>
>[snip remaining lines of santorum]
>
>Hahahahahaha!
>
>Looks like Grosvenor has met his perfect match!

Looks more like that Grosvenor is being strongly supported by normal
people in Russia!!



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On Mon, 29 May 2006 06:26:45 +1000, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
 wrote:

>On 2006-05-29 13:02:35 +1000, "Revolutionary Ideas" 
> said:
>
>> 
>> "Asterix"  wrote in message
>> news:mdhj72dl15naaohdp1t94laej6ndrdlv9s@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?
>>> 
>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!
>> 
>> Hetero swine, hetero pervert, hetero fornicator, hetero terrorist you better
>> kill yourself by thrusting your filthy head into the cunts of your
>> fornicating whores and by eating their shit and drinking their piss. All
>> hetero bandits like you should be nuked.
>
>[snip remaining lines of santorum]
>
>Hahahahahaha!
>
>Looks like Grosvenor has met his perfect match!

Looks more like that Grosvenor is being strongly supported by normal
people in Russia!!



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!


On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann  wrote:

>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html

>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.

Here is a Video:
Scenes from the streets of Moscow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm



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On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:31 GMT, "Daz"  wrote:
>"Unicorn"  wrote in message 
>news:AHieg.1636$xH1.280@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Here is a Video:
>> Scenes from the streets of Moscow
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>> news:vjcj729p026a7sjcdlmosmn2jvhv2k5jd0@4ax.com...
>>> Aren't faggots supposed to be burned?
>>> Did someone forget the Molotov Cocktails for the celebrations?

>Can you imagine Asterix as president of the USA? He'd probably extend the 
>death penalty to include puffs.
>LOL
>Daz

A hell of a good idea.
I should have thought of it before you did.

>>> Glad to see that even in Russia, sensible people there do not want to
>>> create another Sodom & Gomorrah as is now in Canada, Usa and Britain!!

>>> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:45:32 +0100, Michael McCann >>> wrote:

>>>>http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13526011,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The first Gay Rights march held in Moscow has been broken up by
>>>>Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists.

>>>>A group of about 40 marchers, led by 28-year-old Nikolia Alexeyev,
>>>>planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. The tomb is
>>>>symbolic of the World War Two struggle against fascism.




On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:31:28 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article <%Sheg.31$Su3.7784@news20.bellglobal.com>, "«Pas de deux»"
> wrote:
>
>> "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"  wrote in message
>> 
>> " even in Daugavpils the red stars on the tombs [of Red Army soldiers 
>> who died for Stalin and the Soviet Union]
>> have been replaced by Orthodox crosses (one hopes that none of those 
>> buried there were were fervent Marxist-Leninists...).
>> 
>> On the contrary.  I think it's cool that some fervent Marxist-Leninists 
>> may have ended up with crosses instead of stars on their graves.  It's 
>> only a drop in the sea of redress for the tens of thousands of Balts who 
>> sleep in crappy cemeteries {or unmarked or star-marked graves} in 
>> Siberia.  Some of my relatives included.  But Holman and a few others 
>> will tell me it was all for a good cause ... 
>
>I most certainly will not.
>
>\EH



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