The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:28:25 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!

>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:

>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.

>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>
>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>Canada!!!
>>
>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>
>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>
>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>
>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>
>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> >               letters?
>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>
>>
>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>Canada!!!
>>
>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>
>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>
>>
>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>
>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>c/o 
>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>Toronto, Ontario  
>>
>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>>
>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>cheque's memo section. 
>>
>>
>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>>
>>



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>>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:32 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!

>>>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>>>wrote:

>>>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>>>phone or E-mail.
>>>>
>>>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>>>questions.
>>>>
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>>>
>>>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>>>
>>>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>
>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>Canada!!!
>>>>
>>>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>>>
>>>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>>>
>>>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>>>
>>>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>>>
>>>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>>>
>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>>
>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>
>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>
>>>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>
>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>
>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>>
>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>
>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>
>>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>
>>>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>
>>>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>
>>>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>
>>>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>
>>>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>
>>>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>>
>>>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>>>Canada!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>>>
>>>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>>>
>>>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>>>c/o 
>>>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>>>Toronto, Ontario  
>>>>
>>>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>>>>
>>>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>>>cheque's memo section. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>>>>
>>>>



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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>
>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>
>>>Katyn
>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>
>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant 
>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a 
>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust." 
>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it. 
>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more 
>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them 
>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in 
>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers 
>>>during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the 
>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato, 
>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S. 
>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in 
>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for 
>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the 
>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried 
>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the 
>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>
>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against 
>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the 
>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing 
>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>
>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket 
>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their 
>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of 
>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that 
>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to 
>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness 
>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>
>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large 
>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting 
>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able 
>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened 
>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray 
>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as 
>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on 
>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example, 
>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army 
>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to 
>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans 
>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>of Poland.
>>>
>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they 
>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war? 
>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg 
>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably 
>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the 
>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why 
>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the 
>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered 
>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>in 1940.
>>>
>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and 
>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the 
>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which 
>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The 
>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets 
>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly 
>>>along the River Bug.
>>>
>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared 
>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's 
>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union, 
>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in 
>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass 
>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the 
>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course, 
>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was 
>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>
>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish 
>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as 
>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in 
>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing 
>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of 
>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and 
>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933 
>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where 
>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the 
>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to 
>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of 
>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the 
>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany 
>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>
>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France. 
>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could 
>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however, 
>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did 
>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to 
>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his 
>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the 
>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined 
>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though 
>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>
>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other 
>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin 
>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in 
>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed 
>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through 
>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into 
>>>Russia.
>>>
>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near 
>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from 
>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners 
>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly 
>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local 
>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as 
>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is 
>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had 
>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, 
>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been 
>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American 
>>>FBI.
>>>
>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and 
>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each 
>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the 
>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than 
>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other 
>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans 
>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in 
>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various 
>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in 
>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest. 
>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to 
>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to 
>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from 
>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The 
>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to 
>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most 
>>>of them did.
>>>
>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish 
>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and 
>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets 
>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet 
>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had 
>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly 
>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had 
>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put 
>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk, 
>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one 
>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>
>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard 
>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were 
>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As 
>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human 
>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the 
>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better 
>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that 
>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful 
>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist 
>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them 
>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia, 
>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>
>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had 
>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because 
>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the 
>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the 
>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at 
>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the 
>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish 
>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish 
>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and 
>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be 
>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill 
>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken 
>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off 
>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been 
>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn 
>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were 
>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the 
>>>killings.
>>>
>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison 
>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks 
>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands 
>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit. 
>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol 
>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had 
>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what 
>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were 
>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed, 
>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered 
>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of 
>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and 
>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was 
>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>
>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the 
>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest 
>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed; 
>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not 
>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies 
>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the 
>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal 
>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same 
>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from 
>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940, 
>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported 
>>>back to their governments.
>>>
>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American 
>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet 
>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was 
>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to 
>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide 
>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union 
>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>
>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who 
>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the 
>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had 
>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by 
>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York 
>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles! 
>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and 
>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other 
>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of 
>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the 
>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and 
>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>
>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in 
>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not 
>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free 
>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill 
>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't 
>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish 
>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have 
>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been 
>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have 
>>>decided.
>>>
>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years 
>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with 
>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the 
>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is 
>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into 
>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the 
>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies 
>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is 
>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre 
>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of 
>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It 
>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>
>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western 
>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The 
>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from 
>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the 
>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to 
>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis, 
>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation. 
>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx, 
>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars 
>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who 
>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with 
>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and 
>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland, 
>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>feeling.
>>>
>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is 
>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have 
>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they 
>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have 
>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them. 
>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart, 
>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media 
>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media. 
>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and 
>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>
>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews 
>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold 
>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the 
>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To 
>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com 
>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message. 
>>>
>>>++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>American Renaissance
>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>
>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>
>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>
>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>
>>>National Alliance
>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>
>>>Stormfront
>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>
>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>
>>>
>>>



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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.

>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.

>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!


>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>
>>>Nothing new here.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>> 
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>> 
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>> 
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>> 
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>> 
>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>> 
>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>> 
>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>> >               letters?
>>>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>Brith's butt.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>> 
>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>> 
>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>> 
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>
>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>> 
>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>> 
>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>> 
>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>> 
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>
>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>> 
>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:39:29 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:21:48 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:

>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.

>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>
>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:
>
>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to Revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.
>
>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America intersted in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>
>
>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )wrote:
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>
>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>
>>>Nothing new here.
>
>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>> it is NOT!!!
>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>
>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>Canada!!!
>
>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>
>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>
>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is Special
>Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>
>
>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>
>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>> answer??
>
>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>
>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>
>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>
>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>> who can be reached at:
>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>
>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>
>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>
>>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>
>>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>
>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>
>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>
>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>
>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>
>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the   letters?
>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>
>
>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>
>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai Brith's butt.
>
>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>
>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>
>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>
>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>
>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>
>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>> >OyVey???
>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>
>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>
>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>
>>>Check this out!
>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>
>
>> >Nizkor Funding
>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>
>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>
>>>  The League is working closely
>>>with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>incidents directly to the National Office."
>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>
>
>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>
>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>
>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>
>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>
>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>
>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>
>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>
>
>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>Canada!!!
>
>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>
>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>
>
>
>>Please print this form and send to: 
>
>>The Nizkor Project 
>>c/o 
>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>15 Hove Street 
>>Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8 
>
>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>
>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>cheque's memo section. 
>
>
>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>
>
>>Attention:CHARITIES
>>also: SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>
>>On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:00:31 -0600, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>(Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Check this out!
>>
>>
>>>>Nizkor Funding   
>>>>URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html 
>>>>Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>
>>>>The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
>>>>educational curricula and policy development to regulate, in some way,
>>>>the transmission of hateful messages. The League is working closely
>>>>with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>
>>>>There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>promote Jewish interests. If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>
>>>>The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>dramatizations.
>>>>
>>>>Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>
>>>>NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>interest immediately, and the Nizkor abonimation should be shut down
>>>>and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>
>>>>You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>www.natvan.com
>>>>www.natall.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>



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On 14 Jan 1999 01:08:16 GMT, philnancy@aol.com (PHILNANCY) wrote:
>> Ed Kadach  wrote:

>>RABBI CHARGED IN WIFE'S DEATH
>>Allegedly Hired Hit Man to Perform 1994 Killing 

>>Jan. 11, 1999 

>>By Michelle Gotthelf 

>>CAMDEN, N.J. (APB) -- A once-prominent rabbi was indicted today on
>>murder charges for allegedly hiring a hit man to bludgeon his wife to
>>death in a robbery staged at their home, authorities said. 
>>
>>AP 
>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander  
>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander, 57, of Cherry Hill, conspired to commit murder
>>in the 1994 slaying of his 52-year-old wife, Carol, a Camden County
>>grand jury concluded. She was found beaten to death on the couple's
>>living room floor, Camden County spokesman Greg Reinert told APB News. 
>>
>>Prosecutors said Neulander became a suspect in his wife's murder after
>>rumors surfaced that he had been involved in numerous love affairs --
>>one with a Philadelphia radio show host, who demanded he leave his wife
>>and end his marriage. He was charged last September with arranging the
>>killing. 
>>
>>Prosecutors said it took awhile to compile enough evidence to charge and
>>indict the former rabbi. 
>>
>>Phony deliveryman 
>>
>>Neulander said he found his wife's body on Nov. 1, 1994, when he
>>returned from the synagogue after an evening event. Her purse was
>>missing, but no other valuables had been touched. 
>>
>>Carol Neulander was killed by a hit man posing as a deliveryman,
>>authorities said. They believe the same man came to the house two weeks
>>earlier and handed her an envelope and asked to use the bathroom. 
>>
>>According to the grand jury indictment, Neulander conspired with and
>>acted as an accomplice of "a person or persons unknown" to carry out the
>>slaying. 
>>
>>He is free on $400,000 bail. 
>>
>>Faces life imprisonment 
>>
>>Investigators said Neulander told one of his lovers that he intended to
>>marry her, but was concerned that a divorce would cost him his position
>>at the reform synagogue he founded, Congregation M'Kor Shalom in Cherry
>>Hill. 
>>
>>Three months after his wife's killing, Neulander resigned his position
>>at the temple. He was then suspended from the Central Conference of
>>American Rabbis, the nation's Reform rabbinical organization, after
>>admitting he became romantically involved with two congregants who went
>>to him for counseling. 
>>
>>Neulander is not charged with personally committing the homicidal acts
>>and does not face the death penalty if convicted. He does, however, face
>>life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
>
>And what is the relevance of this to this NG? 

Why shouldn't an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOt be relevant??


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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:22:24 GMT, ianl@nospam.curie.dialix.com.au (Ian
Lowery) wrote:

>
>Extending himself to his intellectual linit, 
>koyvay@nazikor.org wrote this:
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.


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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:22:24 GMT, ianl@nospam.curie.dialix.com.au (Ian
Lowery) wrote:

>
>Extending himself to his intellectual linit, 
>koyvay@nazikor.org wrote this:
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:

>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998

>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



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On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:07:24 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:

>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...

>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.

>The Kastner Case

                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>                                The Verdict
>
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully.
>
>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>to Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>mislead the Jews.
>
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs
>.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>Jews.
>
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan.
>
>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>on the other hand.
>
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>affidavit given in favor of a war
>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." 
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>his Nazi 
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
> 
>The Reaction
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>criminal libel.
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>appeal filed.
>
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>
>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>                        
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>'collaboration'.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>Kastner. They joined him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>Jewish community.
>
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>many or should he disclose
>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>what was known to them and did not warn
>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>
>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>Silberg:
>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>judgements on the guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>thousands would have been able
>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>to a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>occupation.
>
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>proof of  evidence for this.
>
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>of events it throws retroactive
>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>on trial .
>
>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>
>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>murder trial).
>
>
>sven88



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Dummkopf, es stands for ESPAGNA(Spain)


On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:21:49 +1100, "John Phillips"
 wrote:

>Interesting to see that this poster is from Estonia - an infamous country of
>lick spittlers and brown nosed crawlers who couldn't wait to let the Nazis
>in, and welcomed them with open arms - a country which carried out some of
>the worst atrocities of WWII.  Speaks for itself, doesn't it.
>
>We all should feel sorry for this deranged person - perhaps we can have a
>Jewish doctor look at him?
>
>
>CLOUSSEAU wrote in message <369b6cca.0@news.arrakis.es>...
>>Well Bob Erden summarizes it all!!.
>>
>>Jews are wonderful loving people, who earn their money honestly, who own
>>newspapers because it is good for humanity, every now and then they kill a
>>Palestinian or two, but always in self defence in their own country.
>>They fully integrate into the society of the country they live in, they
>>almost always marry non jews, they dont practice mafia style brthership,
>>like all ignorants believe they do in Hollywood etc.
>>But Martin, points out the most important thing, not only are they the
>>chosen people, but they intellectually superior to the rest.
>>That's why the secretary of State and Defense in the US is always a Jew,
>not
>>because of the "powerful" jewish lobby, its because they are superior and
>>they will not sympathise with Israel when there is a conflict with Arabs.
>>
>>In other words they are wondeful, in Sydney they dont have their "
>>expensive" guettos in Vaucluse and Double Bay, actually they live in
>Newtown
>>and Marrickville!!.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Clousseau
>>
>>Mike McBain escribió en mensaje <77bt61$vfc@silas-2.cc.monash.edu.au>...
>>>Martin  writes:
>>>
>>>>The north east European or ashkenazi Jews are rated highest in terms of
>>>>intellectual giftedness, one may rightly call them intellectually
>superior
>>to
>>>>any other race.  Individuals like albright, kissinger & speilberg are the
>>>>descendants of post war americam immigrants from the former eastern bloc.
>>
>>
>>



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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:54:07 +1100, "Hotkey News"
 wrote:

>It's so good to see that Adolf Hitler is still living in 1999. They never
>did find Hitler's body, did they???


With slime like your LIBELER and his anti-Christian activities against
ON, what do you expect?

People in Australia have good reason to be concerned about the plague
of JEWS.

Read the article, and then comment...

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:49:08 -0700, Milton Wong 
wrote:

>The Jews are universally disliked. They are hated by people of all
>non-Jewish nationalities, races and religions. Why is this so?
>
>A Jew is defined as a person with Jewish ancestry or Jewish faith. An
>ethnic Jew who is a follower of a non-Jewish religion is still a Jew.
>
>The Jews' physical characteristics, including enormous noses and other
>repulsive facial features, curly hair, and ape-like body hair, are
>naturally repulsive to non-Jews. However, this is not the primary reason
>why Jews are disliked.
>
>In my experience, the Jews are in general lying, cheating, slandering,
>and dishonest. They lack moral integrity, and are probably unable to
>distinguish right from wrong. They are greedy (for money and for power)
>and selfish by nature. A piece of advice: never buy a used car from a
>Jew or Jewish-owned company!
>
>Jews will do anything to hurt and destroy anyone who dares to disagree
>with them.
>
>The Jews are stealing $3 billion/year from US taxpayers, and sending it
>to Israel as foreign aid. Israel neither needs nor deserves any foreign
>aid.
>
>The Jews control the US media and government. This is why US media are
>more biased in favor of Israel than media anywhere else in the world
>(except Israel, of course). This is also why the US, as the only country
>of any significance in the world, continues to support Israel. Whenever
>the Israeli Jews torture and kill innocent Palestinians, the rest of the
>world rightly condemns Israel. The United States however always refuses
>to condemn any wrongdoing by Israel. This is of course not surprising at
>all. The US government is dominated by and controlled by Jews. The US
>congress is controlled by the Jewish pro-Israeli lobby. This is why $3
>billion/year of US taxpayers' money continues to be sent to Israel as
>foreign aid.
>
>The Jews invented communism, which is responsible for the murders of
>more innocent people than any other political movement. Many leading
>communists were/are Jews. Not surprisingly, anti-Jewish feelings are
>strong in Eastern Europe and Russia.
>
>The Jews stole the Palestinians' homeland. The way the Jews treat the
>Palestinians is remarkably similar to how the Nazis allegedly treated
>the Jews.
>
>In my opinion, the Jews have provoked the "anti-semitism" they are
>always complaining about.




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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:29:43 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>On 13 Oct 1998 03:36:24 GMT,(Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:00:36 -0400,  wrote:
>>Hey Warr,

>>Get some new material. Fran Dresher you aint. Henny Youngman could do better
>>sleepwalking.

>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0200, "Rob"  wrote:
>
>>You are right!!!
>
>On 10 Oct 1998 18:46:42 GMT,  (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>
>JEWISH JOKES
>
>How was copper wiring invented?
>Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>
>
>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>They put parking meters on the roof!
>
>
>Why is money green?
>Because Jews pick it before it's ripe!
>
>
>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>Jew Jew Beans... Although I heard he enjoyed them "roasted!"
>
>
>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>A fur coat!
>
>
>Why don't Jews eat pork?
>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they're not!
>
>
>Why aren't Jews attacked by sharks?
>Professional courtesy!
>
>
>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>Let one in, and he'll keep the rest out.
>
>
>What's the Jewish version of foreplay?
>Half an hour of begging.
>
>
>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>She's the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>
>
>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>
>
>What's the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>
>
>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>Someone dropped a quarter!
>
>
>Why do Jews have such big noses?
>Because air is free.
>
>
>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>an
>affair?
>Who catered it?
>
>
>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>He breaks his nose.
>
>
>What's a Jewish dilemma?
>Free ham.
>
>
>What's the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>Nail polish.
>
>
>What's the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>An elephant eventually forgets.
>
>
>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>way,
>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>rubbed it, a
>Jewish genie appeared. "I'll give you two wishes," quipped
>the genie. "Far out," said the black man. "First, I want to be white,
>uptight,
>and out of sight!" Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>story:
>You can't get anything from a Jew without strings
>attached!
>
>
>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>Marry her!
>
>
>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>They want 20% off everything!
>
>
>What's the difference between between karate and judo?
>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>
>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>
>
>What's the definition of a queer Jew?
>Someone that likes girls more then money.
>
>
>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>A WHINE cellar.
>
>
>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>
>
>What's the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>A vulture waits until you're dead to eat your heart out!
>
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>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, "WaRR" 
>wrote:
>
>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>oil of no lay!!
>
>>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle's creed was
>>what fought rocky balboa.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>a toilet doesn't follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>
>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>it's called well i'll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman's waterbed?
>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>
>>=how was copper wire invented?
>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>
>>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>> because jewish women won't buy anything unless it's 20% off.
>
>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>a girl.
>
>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>=what's a jewish british princess' favorite wine?
>> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>she drops her nail file.
>
>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>
>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>jello moves when you eat it.
>
>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>she makes him beg for an hour.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>british princess?
>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>
>>=what's the difference between jews and canoes?
>>canoes tip.   ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>
>>=what's the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>pizzas don't scream when you put them in the oven.
>
>>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>>free ham.
>
>>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>a cash register.
>
>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>
>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>he only took tips.
>
>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>
>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>replied, "i'd draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>the other to me." the minister replied, "i'd draw a circle in
>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>outside for me." the rabbi's answer was, he wouldn't draw any
>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>
>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they're
>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. "ok," he says,
>>"but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>if you don't, you go straight to hell." after agreeing, they find
>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. "i can't help myself!" says the
>>italian... he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. "i can't
>>help myself!" he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>homosexual disappears.
>
>>yours truly
>
>>WaRR
>-88-
>



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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.

>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.

>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!


>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>
>>>Nothing new here.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>> 
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>> 
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>> 
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>> 
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>> 
>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>> 
>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>> 
>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>> >               letters?
>>>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>Brith's butt.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>> 
>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>> 
>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>> 
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>
>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>> 
>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>> 
>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>> 
>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>> 
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>
>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>> 
>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>
>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>
>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>
>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>
>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.

>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.

>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!


>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>
>>>Nothing new here.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>> 
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>> 
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>> 
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>> 
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>> 
>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>> 
>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>> 
>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>> >               letters?
>>>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>Brith's butt.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>> 
>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>> 
>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>> 
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>
>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>> 
>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>> 
>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>> 
>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>> 
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>
>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>> 
>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>
>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>
>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>
>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>
>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>
>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>sven88



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>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:39:29 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:21:48 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:

>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.

>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>
>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:
>
>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to Revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.
>
>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America intersted in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>
>
>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )wrote:
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>
>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>
>>>Nothing new here.
>
>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>> it is NOT!!!
>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>
>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>Canada!!!
>
>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>
>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>
>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is Special
>Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>
>
>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>
>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>> answer??
>
>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>
>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>
>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>
>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>> who can be reached at:
>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>
>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>
>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>
>>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>
>>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>
>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>
>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>
>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>
>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>
>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the   letters?
>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>
>
>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>
>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai Brith's butt.
>
>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>
>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>
>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>
>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>
>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>
>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>> >OyVey???
>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>
>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>
>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>
>>>Check this out!
>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>
>
>> >Nizkor Funding
>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>
>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>
>>>  The League is working closely
>>>with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>incidents directly to the National Office."
>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>
>
>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>
>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>
>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>
>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>
>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>
>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>
>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
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>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>
>
>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>Canada!!!
>
>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>
>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>
>
>
>>Please print this form and send to: 
>
>>The Nizkor Project 
>>c/o 
>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>15 Hove Street 
>>Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8 
>
>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>
>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>cheque's memo section. 
>
>
>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>
>
>>Attention:CHARITIES
>>also: SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>
>>On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:00:31 -0600, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>(Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Check this out!
>>
>>
>>>>Nizkor Funding   
>>>>URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html 
>>>>Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>
>>>>The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
>>>>educational curricula and policy development to regulate, in some way,
>>>>the transmission of hateful messages. The League is working closely
>>>>with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>
>>>>There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>promote Jewish interests. If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>
>>>>The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>dramatizations.
>>>>
>>>>Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>
>>>>NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>interest immediately, and the Nizkor abonimation should be shut down
>>>>and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>
>>>>You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>www.natvan.com
>>>>www.natall.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>



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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:08:00 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:04:57 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Mon, 04 May 1998 06:53:14 -0600, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest
>>Slepokura) wrote:

>>>Who lied about Demjanjuk?

>>>Criticism of Jewish groups costs judge Supreme Court appointment 

>>>by Yossi Melman

>>>[Reprinted in *Ukrainian News* (Edmonton, Alberta) in its April 7, 1998
>>>issue from the Israeli daily *Ha'aretz* November 14, 1997 issue.] 
>>
>>>**If it were not for the Demjanjuk affair, Gilbert Merritt would probably
>>>be a U.S. Supreme Court Justice. Yossi Melman traces the career of the
>>>judge who ruled in 1985 that John Demjanjuk was in fact Ivan the Terrible,
>>>and ordered his extradition to Israel.**
>>
>>>>Aside from John Demjanjuk, who endured a tortuous eight years of legal
>>>proceedings that nearly led him to the hangman's noose, and his close
>>>family
>>>members, the most prominent victim of the Demjanjuk case was Gilbert
>>>Merritt. He is the federal judge who in April 1985 upheld the ruling -
>>>years later proven to be incorrect - that Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible,
>>>the notorious, sadistic guard who operated the gas chamber at the
>>>Treblinka death camp in Poland, and ordered Demjanjuk's extradition to
>>>Israel. 
>>
>>>At the time, the rulings by Judge Merritt were acclaimed by major Jewish
>>>organizations in the United States. However, after the Israeli Supreme
>>>Court
>>>found Demjanjuk innocent of the charges against him in 1993, Judge Merritt
>>>expressed remorse for his erronneous decisions. He also sharply criticized
>>>the Jewish organizations. His expression of regret and critical remarks
>>>ended up costing Merritt the highest position that an American jurist can
>>>hope to reach.
>>
>>>Before Demjanjuk, Merritt's star had shone bright. He had extensive
>>>experience and a sterling reputation, and was a Democrat with a liberal
>>>world view. Yet, despite his prodigious judicial and civic skills, Merritt
>>>was never offered the sought-after appointment. His friends, including
>>>Judge George Paine of the
>>>Federal Bankruptcy Court in Nashville, explain that Jewish organizations,
>>>and primarily B'nai Brith, the Anti-Defamation League, the World Jewish
>>>Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, carried out a lobbying campaign
>>>in Congress and the White House against his elevation. They hinted that
>>>Merritt was anti-Semitic and was not suited to the position of Supreme
>>>Court Justice. President Bill Clinton buckled under the pressure of the
>>>Jewish lobby and opted to appoint Ruth Ginsburg to the post four years
>>>ago. 
>>
>>>I met Gilbert Merritt, now 61, two weeks ago in his office in Nashville,
>>>Tennessee. In spite of his disappointment, he is not bitter. "I am just a
>>>lot
>>>more sober," he says. What provoked the Jewish reaction was Merritt's
>>>statements denouncing the American Department of Justice, the Israeli
>>>Foreign Ministry and the Jewish organizations, all of whom had insisted
>>>that John Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible. Today, Merritt feels that what
>>>began in the early 1980s as an inquiry by the Justice Department's Office
>>>of Special Investigations (OSI) eventually snowballed into a conspiracy
>>>against Demjanjuk.
>>
>>>According to Merritt and others familiar with the affair, the OSI, which
>>>was set up to bring [Nazi] war criminals living in the United States to
>>>justice, was at the time subjected to heavy pressure by Congress and
>>>senior Justice Department officials. The office had been criticized as
>>>being inefficient and
>>>unable to fulfill its tasks. OSI directors were told in no uncertain terms
>>>to "deliver the goods": either expose Nazi war criminals and collaborators
>>>who had found refuge in America, or lose some or even all its budget. This
>>>was the background for the accelerated investigation against John
>>>Demjanjuk, an American citizen of Ukrainian descent who lived in a suburb
>>>of Cleveland, Ohio. The investigation showed that after World War II
>>>Demjanjuk had entered the United
>>>States on false grounds, having failed to reveal the truth about his past
>>>on the immigration questionnaires. Based on that, American authorities
>>>stripped him of his citizenship. Simultaneously, Jewish organizations and
>>>the OSI began to place heavy pressure on the Israeli government - through
>>>Ephraim Zuroff, the OSI representative in Israel at the time, who is now
>>>director of the Wiesenthal Center in Jerusalem - to request Demjanjuk's
>>>extradition to Israel. The national unity government of Shimon Peres was
>>>not delighted at the prospect, but the pressure finally paid off and
>>>Justice Minister Moshe Nissim filed for the extradition of John Demjanjuk.
>>
>>>The Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals met in Cincinnati to hear the
>>>petition. Judge Merritt headed the panel. Representatives of the OSI and
>>>the Justice Department introduced documents apparently indicating that
>>>Demjanjuk was in fact Ivan the Terrible from Treblinka. Judge Merritt and
>>>his colleagues were convinced, and in April 1985 the court ruled for
>>>Demjanjuk's extradition.
>>>Demjanjuk was brought to Israel, found guilty of the crimes of which he
>>>was accused in the Jerusalem District court, but in 1993 was cleared on
>>>appeal by the Supreme Court of the charges against him. 
>>
>>>"Today we know," says Merritt, "that they - the OSI, the prosecution in
>>>the case and the State Department - lied through their teeth. Even then
>>>they knew without a doubt that Demjanjuk was not Ivan the Terrible, but
>>>they hid the information from us. I am sorry that I did not have the
>>>information at the time.
>>>If I did, we would never have ruled in favor of his extradition to
>>>Israel." Merritt claims that what happened in his courtroom was "nothing
>>>short of a witch hunt. In retrospect, it reminds me of the witch trials in
>>>Salem, Massachusetts 300 years ago. The prosecution, counseled by the OSI,
>>>presented documents and witnesses whose testimony was based emotions and
>>>hysteria, but not hard evidence. To my regret, we believed them. This
>>>instance is a prime example of how justice can be distorted." 
>>
>>>Despite the disdain and rage Merritt feels for the prosecution, the OSI
>>>and the State Department, he is full of praise for the Israeli judicial
>>>system, and especially the prosecutor in Demjanjuk's trial, Michael
>>>Shaked. "Your prosecutor was brave and honest enough to admit to the
>>>doubts that arose regarding Demjanjuk's identification as Ivan the
>>>Terrible. It was these doubts
>>>that eventually resulted in freeing Demjanjuk from the hangman's noose.
>>>And the credit for this goes to your prosecutor, who I consider to be a
>>>noble man with the highest principles, quite unlike our own liars." As for
>>>the allegation that Demjanjuk was in fact a collaborator of the Nazis who
>>>worked as a guard in a different camp, Merritt responds, "Yes, I heard
>>>about that and it might even be true, but so long as evidence has not been
>>>introduced to the court, it's impossible to find him guilty of other
>>>crimes. A person can only be guilty if convicted of the crime of which he
>>>is accused. Demjanjuk was put on trial for
>>>being Ivan the Terrible, but it became clear that he was not Ivan the
>>>Terrible." 
>>
>>>Once the truth emerged at the Supreme Court in Jerusalem, and word of it
>>>reached Judge Merritt in Cinncinnati, he filed a complaint and demanded an
>>>investigation
>>>of the OSI and its director at the time, Allan Ryan, on suspicion of
>>>violating the constitutional rights of John Demjanjuk. The judge's claim
>>>was backed up by findings brought to light by the Demjanjuk family and
>>>their legal advisers, who
>>>searched through trash bins near the OSI offices in Washington and
>>>unearthed documents which indicated that the prosecution in the original
>>>Cinncinnati trial
>>>did not provide the defense with all the material in its possession, as is
>>>required by law. "My moral and legal obligation, as a human being and a
>>>judge,
>>>is to the constitution and rule of law. This was also the obligation of
>>>the officials in Washington - to submit all the information they had to
>>>the court."
>>>The investigation of Judge Merritt's complaint is still underway. 
>>
>>>Gilbert Merritt's curriculam vitae is impressive, to say the least. Born
>>>in Nashville, tennessee, in 1936, he took his bachelor's degree at Yale,
>>>and then
>>>attended graduate school at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. He later
>>>completed a law degree at Harvard. After being accepted to the bar,
>>>Merritt became a law school lecturer and worked as a lawyer at one of the
>>>largest firms in Nashville. In 1966, at the age of 30, Merritt was
>>>appointed a public prosecutor in Nashville, becoming the youngest federal
>>>prosecutor in the United States. In this position, he waged legal fights
>>>to enforce the federal equal rights and civil rights laws to improve the
>>>situation of the black minority of
>>>one of the most racist southern states.
>>
>>>In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed him to the federal District
>>>Court in Cinncinnati, and in 1989 he was promoted to chief judge of the
>>>court. This fast-track judicial career path seemed to be leading toward a
>>>Supreme Court appointment, an opinion that was shared by President Clinton
>>>and the Democratic Party. But the Jewish community could not forgive him. 
>>
>>>"Various Jewish organizations attacked me for lodging my complaint and my
>>>demand for an investigation," he dryly notes, his voice devoid of emotion.
>>>"They accused me of anti-Semitism. I never imagined what power these
>>>organizations could have."
>>
>>>Merritt's friends in the Nashville Jewish community came to his aid. They
>>>strongly condemned the attacks against them, spoke out in his support and
>>>explained that he by no means harbored any racist opinions. Still, the
>>>all-powerful lobby of the East Coast Jewish establishment was undeterred.
>>>Today, Merritt is still a judge in the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of
>>>Appeals, dividing his time between his judge's chambers in Cinncinnati and
>>>Nashville.
>>
>>>"At least now I have more time to devote to my hobbies - golf, tennis,
>>>bicycle riding, and my numerous public functions as a trustee of several
>>>universities." 
>>
>>>[End]



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It seems many people must have cancelled using Canada Post recently!!!


Canada Post are now running an ad campaign, begging Canadians to
please send letters!!!!


Probably enough victims of THEFTS by CanPost managers told their
friends to BOYCOTT CANADA POST.


Wonder why APS are shilling for CanPost, instead of helping
international victims?? Could it be that APS only concerns itself with
US problems/

Apsken, why no comments from you??



On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:06:21 GMT, cohend@kammer.com wrote:

>>>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>>>mail this year, because of concern about theft??

>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>>>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>>>what
>>>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>>>Friedrich
>>>>>                                                                    
>>>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>>>
>>>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>>>
>>>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>>>



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:39:41 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:06:52 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." 
>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> North Shore News
>>>>> February 2, 1997
>>>>> 
>>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>>> Doug Collins
>>>>> 
>>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>>> wonder why?
>>>
>>>	Actually Riggs 'study' was reported in the L.A.Times and in some
>>>Texas newspapers were he is from. To set and maintain the record, here
>>>is a report on the L.A.Times version posted to alt.revisionism at the
>>>time. The reason it found it's way into so many papers is because the
>>>subject is supposed to portray the Jews as awesome military heroes.
>>>Rigg's study is more the result of fantasy than academic research. It
>>>was said he might write a book or something, but then don't count on
>>>it. It ain't happened yet. It would expose his stuff to verification
>>>and he (they) are relying on people holding the notions just from what
>>>was in the newspapers.
>>>
>>>	Intitially posted under "Super Jews in Hitler's Army".
>>>
>>>	              "The Jews in Hitler's Military"
>>>
>>>                       L.A.Times, Dec. 24, 1996
>>>
>>>"A young American is 
>>>documenting the stories 
>>>of Hundreds of German 
>>>veterans of Jewish descent. 
>>>Many lost family to the 
>>>Holocaust while serving the 
>>>Nazi regime."
>>>
>>>LONDON--"Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>mission, American Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no
>>>man's land of Holocaust history.
>>>	Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish descent ... who
>>>served ...during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million
>>>Jews. 
>>>	'Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the
>>>Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the military but at the same time
>>>exterminated their families.'
>>>	On a heady journey of personal and professional discovery, the 25
>>>year old Texan ... interviewed more than 300 of these veterans ...
>>>Passed along from one old soldier to another, he has crisscrossed
>>>Germany 4 times ...
>>>	Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1200
>>>of Hilter's soldiers including two field marshalls and 10 generals,
>>>men commanding up to 100,000, ..."
>>>
>>>[ That and the next line is the beginning of the real motive for the
>>>story and why it would find it's way into the L.A.Times, the Judeo
>>>supremacy publication. ]
>>>
>>>"In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the
>>>Knight's Cross, Germany's highest honor, he said."
>>>
>>>	"This fall, Rigg, Yale '96, arrived at England Cambridge
>>>University ... lugging his clothes ... documentation ... Jonathan
>>>Steinberg, Cambridge historian, read Rigg's files and hurried to find
>>>a safe place for them.
>>>
>>>[[ Here we have a Jewish holding to the papers as dear. This would
>>>indicate he thought they had something beneficial. ]]
>>> 
>>>	Along the way, Rigg, who is of German extraction and was raised
>>>as a Protestant, has discovered that he too has Jewish ancestry. Like
>>>many of the families he has visited, Rigg had distant relatives who
>>>were killed for being Jewish--and others who died fighting in battle
>>>for Nazi Germany."
>>>
>>>[ I would say if Rigg's was confronted with a demand to stand
>>>accountable to show his Jewish ancestry and to prove any events they
>>>lived through it would result in some real embarrassment. Its all too
>>>pat.
>>>
>>>One of the more obvious points of this article reveals the racial
>>>aspect of Judaism. ]
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>	The article being more than a half page long I will just cite the
>>>relevant parts that throw suspicion on the accounts, the racist
>>>connection and the reason it found it's way into the L.A.Times - to
>>>hype Jewish supremacy.
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>	"Many of the men Rigg meets cling to Nazi terminology, describing
>>>themselves as half Jewish, half German."
>>>
>>>[ Here we have the term "half Jewish" being designated "Nazi
>>>terminology" when in fact it is a term used by Jews themselves and has
>>>been referred to many times in medias and even movies. Not to mention
>>>it is used to designate the racial status of any one else, 'half
>>>Black', 'half Irish', etc.
>>>
>>>The article does not lead to any evidential conclusion that any of the
>>>Germans are half Jewish. It seems more like they would be quarter or
>>>even eighth Jewish. ]
>>>	   		
>>>	"One of his discoveries was a 1944 German document listing 77
>>>high ranking officers 'of mixed Jewish race or married to a Jew'. Two
>>>generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals and 23
>>>colonels."
>>>
>>>[ It doesn't say how many were of "Jewish race" or how many were those
>>>who were connected by marriage so we are to assume all of them. ]
>>>
>>>	"'I don't think it ever occurred to go to a general's personal
>>>file to see if he was Jewish', said Steinberg".
>>>
>>>[ Not bothering to consider the ones that were just married to a Jew.]
>>>
>>>
>>>	"... Hitler loathed Jews, but he also needed experienced
>>>commanders and fighters". 
>>>
>>>[ So under the circumstances, there just wasn't enough to draw from
>>>the measly German genetic stock for "experienced" "commanders" and
>>>"fighters". ]
>>>
>>>	"He (Rigg's) said there were at least a dozen exception lists
>>>approved by Hitler--naming ranking officials not only in the armed
>>>forces but in the civilian administration that worked with military.
>>>One German civilian of Jewish heritage ..."
>>>
>>>[ "One ,,,"  "German civilian" of "Jewish heritage"? ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"In interviews and research in Germany this month, Rigg found
>>>still more Wehrmacht officers of Jewish descent ..." 
>>>
>>>[ More "officers" of Jewish "decent".  Another thing that is evident
>>>in the article is glorifying Jewish descent as if it was the only
>>>descent of value to speak of. We can take note that the ones found on
>>>the list are "officers". ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"One Knight's Cross winner was reunited with his Jewish father in
>>>England ..."
>>>
>>>[ This is the first of three or four times the article mentions
>>>"Jewish father". No where does it mention a Jewish mother, which is a
>>>necessary technicality in the Jewish race to be rated a Jew. In fact
>>>the only name mentioned in the whole article as being high ranking is
>>>Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who had a Jewish father".]
>>>
>>>	"Rigg also brought to light to folklore surrounding the
>>>derring-do rescue ... Rigg has identified him as bayonet scarred,
>>>bemedaled, Maj. Ernst Bloch ... whose father was Jewish."
>>>
>>>[ The significance here of course is the "... derring-do ... Jewish
>>>father" connection.]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"About 100,000 Jews served in the German army in World War I, and
>>>about 12,000 of them were killed."
>>>
>>>	[ Now here would be very good place to start to look into Rigg's
>>>project. Here we have "100,000" Jews said to have served in the German
>>>army during World War I whereas Holocaust accounts have it that only
>>>300,000 Jews, all together, were in Germany prior to World War II.
>>>Considering the age, sex aspect of any particular people, we would
>>>have to recognize that if there were 100,000 German Jews fighting in
>>>WWII there would be at least a million in all. It is so typical with
>>>Holocaust/Jewish propaganda to have their facts and figures step all
>>>over each other. Whatever, this is a real blunder. ]
>>>
>>>	(The WWI) "...Veterans thought their service would protect them
>>>against the Nazi crackdown ... When the transports came ... Some even
>>>went to the gas chamber with their medals on."
>>>
>>>[ Okay, we see again we have a heroic lot here with "medals". How
>>>Rigg's came to find out how any of them went to the gas chambers, much
>>>less with their medals on should be very interesting. Especially since
>>>he says "some". If he had said 'one' this is something we could accept
>>>as being in the realm of a possibility, but with the "some", well too
>>>wayout. This is another one of those wacky yarns like all the rest of
>>>the Holocaust eyewitness testimonies, which we must assume would be
>>>the source for Rigg's blurt. 
>>>
>>>Since Holocaust accounts have the people were made to strip naked, we
>>>can muse over how the heroic Jews came to still have their medals on.
>>>
>>>How did Riggs come to get involved with the project? ]] 
>>>
>>>	"Rigg's quest began at Yale, when he started researching his
>>>family history in Germany. First he learned that his
>>>great-grandparents, who arrived as Protestants, had been born in
>>>Germany as Jews."
>>>
>>>[ Since then he has focused his identity on the two Jews from a
>>>hundred years ago, and nothing in between seems to matter. Is it fact?
>>>Who knows. ]
>>>
>>>	"Then one night in 1992, he went to see 'Europa, Europa', a film
>>>about a Jewish adolescent who hid out in the German army during World
>>>War II. After the movie, Rigg's struck a conversation with an elderly
>>>German Jew... and he listened until morning"
>>> 
>>>[ Now there we have a revealing particular of how he came to be
>>>involved. The old man stayed up all night? ] 
>>>	  
>>>	So far it seems Rigg's has not written a book on the subject or
>>>released any details of his story, so the world will have to wait
>>>before anyone can go over the routes of his research. And perhaps
>>>there may never be any. There are just to many problems to cover up
>>>with this latest bravado.
>>>
>>>	On top of it all the Judeo/Holocaust propaganda is further
>>>compromised when trying to fit all the talk about "Jewish", "field
>>>marshalls", "generals" and medal winners in with something like Daniel
>>>Goldhagen's book, 'Ordinary Germans, Hitler's Willing Executioners"
>>>which strives to show all the Germans, and especially high ranking
>>>military people knew about and willingly contributed to the
>>>exterminations of millions of Jews.
>>>     
>>>	It's funny how Holocaust accounts stampede all over themselves
>>>and all over each other.	
>>>
>>>	In another twist, this article and thus Rigg's, seem to strive to
>>>show and glorify Jews by claiming high position and heroic
>>>accomplishment in the very German machine the Holocaust story works so
>>>hard at portraying as evil.
>>>
>>>	Well, when it comes to selling Jewish supremacy, anything goes.
>>>
>>>	When looking at the picture of Rigg's, I can see blind ambition,
>>>the boy next door, and I think of that long talk he had into the wee
>>>hours of the morning with the German Jew.
>>>
>>>	If ever Rigg's does publish a paper with documentation to support
>>>his claims of the awesome heroics it will be subject to investigation.
>>>And, if he never does publish a paper for public scrutiny we can
>>>wonder about that. ]] 



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On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:05:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:38 -0600, freespeech1@mailexcite.com wrote:

>Zionism and the Third Reich

>Mark Weber

>Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the
>German
>port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name,
>"Tel Aviv," while a
>swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
>Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many
>years later a traveler
>aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical
>absurdity."1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a
>little-known chapter of history: The
>wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
>
>Common Aims
>
>Over the years, people in many different countries have wrestled with
>the "Jewish question": that is, what is the proper role of Jews in
>non-Jewish society? During
>the 1930s, Jewish Zionists and German National Socialists shared
>similar views on how to deal with this perplexing issue. They agreed
>that Jews and Germans were
>distinctly different nationalities, and that Jews did not belong in
>Germany.
>Jews living in the Reich were therefore to be regarded not as "Germans
>of the Jewish faith," but rather as members of a separate national
>community. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) also implied an obligation by
>Zionist Jews to resettle in Palestine, the
>"Jewish homeland." They could hardly regard themselves as sincere
>Zionists and simultaneously claim equal rights in Germany or any other
>"foreign" country.
>
>Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained
>that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely
>understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and
>attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize
>reality and live in a separate state of their own.
>
>"The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers,"
>he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it
>does not exist, it is brought
>in by arriving Jews. . . . I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which
>is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew,
>without hate or fear." The Jewish question, he maintained, is not
>social or religious. "It is a national
>question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international
>political issue. . . ."
>
>Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not
>merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
>Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered
>the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."
>
>
>Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of
>Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a
>detailed memorandum to the
>new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally
>offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." The
>first step, it suggested,
>had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences: 4
>
>Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition,
>which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in
>the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own
>tradition. Zionism
>recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend,
>symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear . . .
>
>Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people,
>which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its
>Christian and national
>character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the
>Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a
>sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping
>of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the
>liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community
>and collective responsibility . . .
>
>We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that
>can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question,
>take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will
>have to be dealt with by most European peoples . . .
>
>Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and
>sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial
>realities.
>
>Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals,
>because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining
>the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the
>cultural domain, we - having been brought up in the German language
>and German culture - can show an
> interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration
>and internal sympathy . . .
>
>For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the
>collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews,
>because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are
>involved but a real problem
>whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment
>especially the  German people . . .
>
>Boycott propaganda - such as is currently being carried on against
>Germany in many ways - is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants
>not to do battle but to convince and to build . . .
>
>We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will
>continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe
>disadvantages result  for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions
>for other peoples.
>
>The Federation's paper, the Jüdische Rundschau ("Jewish Review"),
>proclaimed the same message: "Zionism recognizes the existence of a
>Jewish problem and
>desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose
>Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro-
>or anti-Jewish, because, in its
>view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental
>problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested."5 A young
>Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz,
>who later settled in the United States and became head of the American
>Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden ("We Jews"), that
>the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant "Jewry for the
>Jews." He explained: "No
>subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new
>concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race." 6
>
>Active Collaboration
>
>On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and
>nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what
>each group believed was in its own
>national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously
>supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until
>1940-1941, when the Second
>World War prevented extensive collaboration.
>
>Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews,
>probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with
>considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about
>pulling up roots to begin a new
>life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews
>turned to Zionism
>during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished
>in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's
>bi-weekly Judische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books
>were published. "Zionist
>work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the
>Encyclopaedia Judaica
>notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its
>composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7
>
>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An
>internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging
>support for Zionism by the
>government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of
>Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish
>self-awareness. Jewish
>schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations - in
>short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and
>self-awareness - should be
>promoted, the paper recommended.8
>
>SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official
>Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess
>Zionist development there. Based
>on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of
>twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff
>that appeared in late 1934 under
>the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great
>admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish
>settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had
>produced a new kind of Jew. He
>praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the
>entire world.
>
>A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article,
>"pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the
>world: the Jewish
>question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one
>side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint
>SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von
>Mildenstein was promoted to head the
>Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to
>support Zionist migration and development more effectively. 9
>
>The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support
>for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be
>too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who
>have been lost to it for
>more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official
>goodwill, go with them."10
>
>Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: 11
>
>The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not
>on religion leads the German government to guarantee without
>reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government
>finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement
>within Jewry, the so-called
>Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the
>world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis,
>Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role
>in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.
>
>A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service
>from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing "strictly
>kosher food on its ships,
>under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate." 12
>
>With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to "reeducate"
>Germany's Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his
>1985 survey, The Third Reich
>and the Palestine Question: "Zionists were encouraged to take their
>message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on
>Palestine and generally to
>educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure
>to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans
>and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them." 13
>
>In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist
>Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation:
>"The Gestapo did everything in
>those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often
>received their help when we required anything from other authorities
>regarding preparations for emigration." 14
>
>At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag
>adopted the so-called "Nuremberg laws" that prohibited marriages and
>sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed
>the Jews an alien minority
>nationality. A few days later the Zionist Judische Rundschau
>editorially welcomed the new measures: 15
>
>Germany . . . is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress
>when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national
>minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is
>again possible to
>establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The
>new laws  give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life,
>its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own
>schools, its own theatre, and its
>own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all
>aspects of national life . . .
>
>Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for
>itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the
>Jewish minority:
>
>Jewry's process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and
>a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable
>relations   between the two nations.
>
>Georg Kareski, the head of both the "Revisionist" Zionist State
>Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the
>Berlin Jewish Community,
>declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end
>of 1935:  16
>
>For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural
>affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for
>living  together without conflict. . . . I have long supported such a
>separation,  provided it is founded on respect for the alien
>nationality. The Nuremberg Laws
>     . . . seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform
>entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect.
>. . . This interruption
>of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had
>been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish
>point of view, entirely welcome.
>
>Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S.
>Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish
>Congress, told   a New
>York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish
>faith, I am a Jew. . . . Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the
>Jewish people a race and we are a race." 17
>
>The Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard
>L_sener,
>expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a
>November 1935 issue of the
>official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: 18
>
>If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them
>were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely
>resolved  today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of
>opposition to
>the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the
>Zionists,  because they realize at once that these laws represent the
>only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation
>must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular
>nationhood.
>
>In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a
>network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout
>Germany where
>prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
>Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German
>flag, Jews were specifically
>guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national
>banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at
>the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. 19
>
>Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist
>underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid
>Haganah official Feivel
>Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help
>in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah
>was kept well informed
>about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin
>headquarters of the SS.20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included
>secret deliveries of German
>weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
>21
>
>In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of
>violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist
>organization to get back on its feet
>and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted
>supervision. 22
>
>Official Reservations
>
>German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party
>officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful
>Jewish communities in the
>United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their"
>governments and
>fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained
>implacably hostile
>towards National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority
>of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the
>Zionist "promised land," a
>sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the
>international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it
>would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign.
>German backing for Zionism was therefore
>limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British
>control, not a sovereign Jewish state. 23
>
>A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats
>in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not
>be able to absorb all
>Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power
>base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as
>a base for international Communism.24 
>
>Reflecting something of a shift in official policy,
>the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for
>Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when
>tension and conflict between
>Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing. 25
>
>A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in
>spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would
>nevertheless be a mistake to
>assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in
>Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the
>anti-German agitation of international
>Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish
>state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the
>world."26 "
>
>The proclamation
>of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an
>internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would
>create for Germany a new
>enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the
>Near East."
>
>Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring
>special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving
>legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry."27 In
>January 1939,
>
>Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned
>in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation
>of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it
>"would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry." 28
>
>Hitler himself personally reviewed this entire issue in early 1938
>and, in spite of his long-standing skepticism of Zionist ambitions and
>misgivings that his policies might
>contribute to the formation of a Jewish state, decided to support
>Jewish migration to Palestine even more vigorously. The prospect of
>ridding Germany of its Jews,
>he concluded, outweighed the possible dangers. 29
>
>Meanwhile, the British government imposed ever more drastic
>restrictions on Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937, 1938 and
>1939. In response, the SS
>security service concluded a secret alliance with the clandestine
>Zionist agency Mossad le-Aliya Bet to smuggle Jews illegally into
>Palestine. As a result of this intensive collaboration, several
>convoys of ships succeeded in reaching
>Palestine past British gunboats. Jewish migration, both legal and
>illegal, from Germany
>(including Austria) to Palestine increased dramatically in 1938 and
>1939.
>
>Another 10,000 Jews were scheduled to depart in October 1939, but the
>outbreak of war in September brought the effort to an end. All the
>same, German authorities continued to promote indirect Jewish
>emigration to Palestine during 1940 and 1941. 30
>
>Even as late as March 1942, at least one officially authorized Zionist
>"kibbutz" training camp for potential emigrants continued to operate
>in Hitler's Germany. 31
>
>The Transfer Agreement
>
>The centerpiece of German-Zionist cooperation during the Hitler era
>was theTransfer Agreement, a pact that enabled tens of thousands of
>German Jews to migrate
>to Palestine with their wealth. The Agreement, also known as the
>Ha'avara (Hebrew for "transfer"), was concluded in August 1933
>following talks between German
>officials and Chaim Arlosoroff, Political Secretary of the Jewish
>Agency, the Palestine center of the World Zionist Organization. 32
>
>Through this unusual arrangement, each Jew bound for Palestine
>deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to
>purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps,
>fertilizer, and so
>forth, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the
>Jewish-owned Ha'avara
>company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the Jewish
>emigrant upon his arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to
>his deposit in Germany.
>
>German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha'avara, which was
>supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which
>Palestine oranges were
>exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and
>other goods. The Agreement thus served the Zionist aim of bringing
>Jewish settlers and
>development capital to Palestine, while simultaneously serving the
>German goal of freeing the country of an unwanted alien group.
>
>Delegates at the 1933 Zionist Congress in Prague vigorously debated
>the merits of the Agreement. Some feared that the pact would undermine
>the international
>Jewish economic boycott against Germany. But Zionist officials
>reassured the Congress. Sam Cohen, a key figure behind the Ha'avara
>arrangement, stressed that
>the Agreement was not economically advantageous to Germany. Arthur
>Ruppin, a Zionist Organization emigration specialist who had helped
>negotiate the pact,
>pointed out that "the Transfer Agreement in no way interfered with the
>boycott movement, since no new currency will flow into Germany as a
>result of the agreement. . . ." 33 The 1935 Zionist Congress, meeting
>in Switzerland,
>overwhelmingly endorsed the pact. In 1936, the Jewish Agency (the
>Zionist "shadow
>government" in Palestine) took over direct control of the Ha'avara,
>which remained in effect until the Second World War forced its
>abandonment.
>
>Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany's Consul
>General in Jerusalem, Hans D_hle, for example, sharply criticized the
>Agreement on several
>occasions during 1937. He pointed out that it cost Germany the foreign
>exchange that the products exported to Palestine through the pact
>would bring if sold elsewhere. The Ha'avara monopoly sale of German
>goods to Palestine through a
>Jewish agency naturally angered German businessmen and Arabs there.
>Official German support for Zionism could lead to a loss of German
>markets throughout the Arab world. The British government also
>resented the arrangement.34 
>
>A June 1937 German Foreign Office internal bulletin referred to the
>"foreign exchange sacrifices" that resulted from the Ha'avara. 35
>
>A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry
>reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: "There is no doubt that
>the Ha'avara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the
>very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided
>not only the largest source of money
>(from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants,
>and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial
>products essential for
>development." The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was
>the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most
>desirable target country as
>far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important
>drawbacks pointed out by Consul D_hle and others. The Interior
>Minister, it went on, had
>concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the
>advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. 36
>
>Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed
>the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and
>each time decided
>to maintain the Ha'avara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from
>Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks. 37
>
>The Reich Economics Ministry helped to organize another transfer
>company, the International Trade and Investment Agency, or Intria,
>through which Jews in
>foreign countries could help German Jews emigrate to Palestine. Almost
>$900,000 was eventually channeled through the Intria to German Jews in
>Palestine.38
>
>Other European countries eager to encourage Jewish emigration
>concluded agreements with the Zionists modeled after the Ha'avara. In
>1937 Poland authorized the
>Halifin (Hebrew for "exchange") transfer company. By late summer 1939,
>Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Italy had signed similar
>arrangements.
>
>The outbreak of war in September 1939, however, prevented large-scale
>implementation of these agreements. 39
>
>Achievements of Ha'avara
>
>Between 1933 and 1941, some 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Palestine
>through the Ha'avara and other German-Zionist arrangements, or about
>ten percent of Germany's 1933 Jewish population. (These German Jews
>made up about 15 percent
>of Palestine's 1939 Jewish population.) Some Ha'avara emigrants
>transferred considerable personal wealth from Germany to Palestine. As
>Jewish historian Edwin Black has noted: "Many of these people,
>especially in the late 1930s, were
>allowed to transfer actual replicas of their homes and factories -
>indeed rough replicas of their very existence."40
>
>The total amount transferred from Germany to Palestine through the
>Ha'avara between August 1933 and the end of 1939 was 8.1 million
>pounds or 139.57 million
>German marks (then equivalent to more than $40 million). This amount
>included 33.9 million German marks ($13.8 million) provided by the
>Reichsbank in connection with the Agreement.41
>
>Historian Black has estimated that an additional $70 million may have
>flowed into Palestine through corollary German commercial agreements
>and special international banking transactions. The German funds had a
>major impact on a
>country as underdeveloped as Palestine was in the 1930s, he pointed
>out.
>
>Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from
>Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile
>firm. The influx of Ha'avara goods
>and capital, concluded Black, "produced an economic explosion in
>Jewish Palestine" and was "an indispensable factor in the creation of
>the State of Israel."42
>
>The Ha'avara agreement greatly contributed to Jewish development in
>Palestine and thus, indirectly, to the foundation of the Israeli
>state. A January 1939 German
>Foreign Office circular bulletin reported, with some misgiving, that
>"the transfer of Jewish property out of Germany [through the Ha'avara
>agreement] contributed to
>no small extent to the building of a Jewish state in Palestine."43
>
>Former officials of the Ha'avara company in Palestine confirmed this
>view in a detailed study of the Transfer Agreement published in 1972:
>"The economic activity
>made possible by the influx German capital and the Haavara transfers
>to the private and public sectors were of greatest importance for the
>country's development.
>
>Many new industries and commercial enterprises were established in
>Jewish Palestine, and numerous companies that are enormously important
>even today in the
>economy of the State of Israel owe their existence to the Haavara."44 
>
>Dr.Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the
>1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara
>immigrants "decisively
>contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational
>development of Palestine's Jewish community.45
>
>The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of
>cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism.
>Through this pact, Hitler's Third
>Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support
>Jewish development in Palestine.
>
>Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
>
>In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization
>submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a
>military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made
>by the radical underground "Fighters for
>the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its
>leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical
>nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over
>the group's attitude toward Britain, which
>had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern
>regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
>
>This remarkable Zionist proposal "for the solution of the Jewish
>question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in
>the war on the side of
>Germany" is worth quoting at some length:46
>
>In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National
>Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe
>requires as  a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question
>by evacuation.("Jew-free Europe")
>
>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally
>achieved  is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the
>Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state
>in its historical boundaries.
>
>The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the
>Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in
>Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this
>way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.
>
>The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich
>government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany
>and the  Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:
>
>
>
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:19:05 GMT, elieK@nazikor.nizkook.org wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:05:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:38 -0600, freespeech1@mailexcite.com wrote:

>>Zionism and the Third Reich

>>Mark Weber

>>Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the
>>German
>>port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name,
>>"Tel Aviv," while a
>>swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
>>Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many
>>years later a traveler
>>aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical
>>absurdity."1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a
>>little-known chapter of history: The
>>wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
>>
>>Common Aims
>>
>>Over the years, people in many different countries have wrestled with
>>the "Jewish question": that is, what is the proper role of Jews in
>>non-Jewish society? During
>>the 1930s, Jewish Zionists and German National Socialists shared
>>similar views on how to deal with this perplexing issue. They agreed
>>that Jews and Germans were
>>distinctly different nationalities, and that Jews did not belong in
>>Germany.
>>Jews living in the Reich were therefore to be regarded not as "Germans
>>of the Jewish faith," but rather as members of a separate national
>>community. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) also implied an obligation by
>>Zionist Jews to resettle in Palestine, the
>>"Jewish homeland." They could hardly regard themselves as sincere
>>Zionists and simultaneously claim equal rights in Germany or any other
>>"foreign" country.
>>
>>Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained
>>that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely
>>understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and
>>attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize
>>reality and live in a separate state of their own.
>>
>>"The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers,"
>>he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it
>>does not exist, it is brought
>>in by arriving Jews. . . . I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which
>>is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew,
>>without hate or fear." The Jewish question, he maintained, is not
>>social or religious. "It is a national
>>question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international
>>political issue. . . ."
>>
>>Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not
>>merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
>>Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered
>>the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."
>>
>>
>>Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of
>>Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a
>>detailed memorandum to the
>>new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally
>>offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." The
>>first step, it suggested,
>>had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences: 4
>>
>>Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition,
>>which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in
>>the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own
>>tradition. Zionism
>>recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend,
>>symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear . . .
>>
>>Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people,
>>which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its
>>Christian and national
>>character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the
>>Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a
>>sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping
>>of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the
>>liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community
>>and collective responsibility . . .
>>
>>We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that
>>can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question,
>>take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will
>>have to be dealt with by most European peoples . . .
>>
>>Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and
>>sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial
>>realities.
>>
>>Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals,
>>because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining
>>the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the
>>cultural domain, we - having been brought up in the German language
>>and German culture - can show an
>> interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration
>>and internal sympathy . . .
>>
>>For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the
>>collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews,
>>because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are
>>involved but a real problem
>>whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment
>>especially the  German people . . .
>>
>>Boycott propaganda - such as is currently being carried on against
>>Germany in many ways - is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants
>>not to do battle but to convince and to build . . .
>>
>>We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will
>>continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe
>>disadvantages result  for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions
>>for other peoples.
>>
>>The Federation's paper, the Jüdische Rundschau ("Jewish Review"),
>>proclaimed the same message: "Zionism recognizes the existence of a
>>Jewish problem and
>>desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose
>>Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro-
>>or anti-Jewish, because, in its
>>view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental
>>problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested."5 A young
>>Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz,
>>who later settled in the United States and became head of the American
>>Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden ("We Jews"), that
>>the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant "Jewry for the
>>Jews." He explained: "No
>>subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new
>>concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race." 6
>>
>>Active Collaboration
>>
>>On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and
>>nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what
>>each group believed was in its own
>>national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously
>>supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until
>>1940-1941, when the Second
>>World War prevented extensive collaboration.
>>
>>Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews,
>>probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with
>>considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about
>>pulling up roots to begin a new
>>life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews
>>turned to Zionism
>>during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished
>>in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's
>>bi-weekly Judische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books
>>were published. "Zionist
>>work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the
>>Encyclopaedia Judaica
>>notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its
>>composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7
>>
>>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An
>>internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging
>>support for Zionism by the
>>government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of
>>Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish
>>self-awareness. Jewish
>>schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations - in
>>short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and
>>self-awareness - should be
>>promoted, the paper recommended.8
>>
>>SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official
>>Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess
>>Zionist development there. Based
>>on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of
>>twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff
>>that appeared in late 1934 under
>>the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great
>>admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish
>>settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had
>>produced a new kind of Jew. He
>>praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the
>>entire world.
>>
>>A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article,
>>"pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the
>>world: the Jewish
>>question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one
>>side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint
>>SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von
>>Mildenstein was promoted to head the
>>Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to
>>support Zionist migration and development more effectively. 9
>>
>>The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support
>>for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be
>>too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who
>>have been lost to it for
>>more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official
>>goodwill, go with them."10
>>
>>Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: 11
>>
>>The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not
>>on religion leads the German government to guarantee without
>>reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government
>>finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement
>>within Jewry, the so-called
>>Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the
>>world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis,
>>Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role
>>in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.
>>
>>A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service
>>from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing "strictly
>>kosher food on its ships,
>>under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate." 12
>>
>>With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to "reeducate"
>>Germany's Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his
>>1985 survey, The Third Reich
>>and the Palestine Question: "Zionists were encouraged to take their
>>message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on
>>Palestine and generally to
>>educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure
>>to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans
>>and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them." 13
>>
>>In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist
>>Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation:
>>"The Gestapo did everything in
>>those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often
>>received their help when we required anything from other authorities
>>regarding preparations for emigration." 14
>>
>>At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag
>>adopted the so-called "Nuremberg laws" that prohibited marriages and
>>sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed
>>the Jews an alien minority
>>nationality. A few days later the Zionist Judische Rundschau
>>editorially welcomed the new measures: 15
>>
>>Germany . . . is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress
>>when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national
>>minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is
>>again possible to
>>establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The
>>new laws  give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life,
>>its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own
>>schools, its own theatre, and its
>>own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all
>>aspects of national life . . .
>>
>>Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for
>>itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the
>>Jewish minority:
>>
>>Jewry's process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and
>>a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable
>>relations   between the two nations.
>>
>>Georg Kareski, the head of both the "Revisionist" Zionist State
>>Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the
>>Berlin Jewish Community,
>>declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end
>>of 1935:  16
>>
>>For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural
>>affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for
>>living  together without conflict. . . . I have long supported such a
>>separation,  provided it is founded on respect for the alien
>>nationality. The Nuremberg Laws
>>     . . . seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform
>>entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect.
>>. . . This interruption
>>of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had
>>been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish
>>point of view, entirely welcome.
>>
>>Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S.
>>Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish
>>Congress, told   a New
>>York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish
>>faith, I am a Jew. . . . Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the
>>Jewish people a race and we are a race." 17
>>
>>The Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard
>>L_sener,
>>expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a
>>November 1935 issue of the
>>official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: 18
>>
>>If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them
>>were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely
>>resolved  today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of
>>opposition to
>>the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the
>>Zionists,  because they realize at once that these laws represent the
>>only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation
>>must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular
>>nationhood.
>>
>>In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a
>>network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout
>>Germany where
>>prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
>>Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German
>>flag, Jews were specifically
>>guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national
>>banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at
>>the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. 19
>>
>>Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist
>>underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid
>>Haganah official Feivel
>>Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help
>>in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah
>>was kept well informed
>>about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin
>>headquarters of the SS.20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included
>>secret deliveries of German
>>weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
>>21
>>
>>In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of
>>violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist
>>organization to get back on its feet
>>and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted
>>supervision. 22
>>
>>Official Reservations
>>
>>German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party
>>officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful
>>Jewish communities in the
>>United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their"
>>governments and
>>fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained
>>implacably hostile
>>towards National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority
>>of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the
>>Zionist "promised land," a
>>sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the
>>international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it
>>would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign.
>>German backing for Zionism was therefore
>>limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British
>>control, not a sovereign Jewish state. 23
>>
>>A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats
>>in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not
>>be able to absorb all
>>Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power
>>base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as
>>a base for international Communism.24 
>>
>>Reflecting something of a shift in official policy,
>>the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for
>>Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when
>>tension and conflict between
>>Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing. 25
>>
>>A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in
>>spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would
>>nevertheless be a mistake to
>>assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in
>>Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the
>>anti-German agitation of international
>>Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish
>>state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the
>>world."26 "
>>
>>The proclamation
>>of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an
>>internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would
>>create for Germany a new
>>enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the
>>Near East."
>>
>>Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring
>>special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving
>>legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry."27 In
>>January 1939,
>>
>>Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned
>>in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation
>>of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it
>>"would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry." 28
>>
>>Hitler himself personally reviewed this entire issue in early 1938
>>and, in spite of his long-standing skepticism of Zionist ambitions and
>>misgivings that his policies might
>>contribute to the formation of a Jewish state, decided to support
>>Jewish migration to Palestine even more vigorously. The prospect of
>>ridding Germany of its Jews,
>>he concluded, outweighed the possible dangers. 29
>>
>>Meanwhile, the British government imposed ever more drastic
>>restrictions on Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937, 1938 and
>>1939. In response, the SS
>>security service concluded a secret alliance with the clandestine
>>Zionist agency Mossad le-Aliya Bet to smuggle Jews illegally into
>>Palestine. As a result of this intensive collaboration, several
>>convoys of ships succeeded in reaching
>>Palestine past British gunboats. Jewish migration, both legal and
>>illegal, from Germany
>>(including Austria) to Palestine increased dramatically in 1938 and
>>1939.
>>
>>Another 10,000 Jews were scheduled to depart in October 1939, but the
>>outbreak of war in September brought the effort to an end. All the
>>same, German authorities continued to promote indirect Jewish
>>emigration to Palestine during 1940 and 1941. 30
>>
>>Even as late as March 1942, at least one officially authorized Zionist
>>"kibbutz" training camp for potential emigrants continued to operate
>>in Hitler's Germany. 31
>>
>>The Transfer Agreement
>>
>>The centerpiece of German-Zionist cooperation during the Hitler era
>>was theTransfer Agreement, a pact that enabled tens of thousands of
>>German Jews to migrate
>>to Palestine with their wealth. The Agreement, also known as the
>>Ha'avara (Hebrew for "transfer"), was concluded in August 1933
>>following talks between German
>>officials and Chaim Arlosoroff, Political Secretary of the Jewish
>>Agency, the Palestine center of the World Zionist Organization. 32
>>
>>Through this unusual arrangement, each Jew bound for Palestine
>>deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to
>>purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps,
>>fertilizer, and so
>>forth, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the
>>Jewish-owned Ha'avara
>>company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the Jewish
>>emigrant upon his arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to
>>his deposit in Germany.
>>
>>German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha'avara, which was
>>supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which
>>Palestine oranges were
>>exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and
>>other goods. The Agreement thus served the Zionist aim of bringing
>>Jewish settlers and
>>development capital to Palestine, while simultaneously serving the
>>German goal of freeing the country of an unwanted alien group.
>>
>>Delegates at the 1933 Zionist Congress in Prague vigorously debated
>>the merits of the Agreement. Some feared that the pact would undermine
>>the international
>>Jewish economic boycott against Germany. But Zionist officials
>>reassured the Congress. Sam Cohen, a key figure behind the Ha'avara
>>arrangement, stressed that
>>the Agreement was not economically advantageous to Germany. Arthur
>>Ruppin, a Zionist Organization emigration specialist who had helped
>>negotiate the pact,
>>pointed out that "the Transfer Agreement in no way interfered with the
>>boycott movement, since no new currency will flow into Germany as a
>>result of the agreement. . . ." 33 The 1935 Zionist Congress, meeting
>>in Switzerland,
>>overwhelmingly endorsed the pact. In 1936, the Jewish Agency (the
>>Zionist "shadow
>>government" in Palestine) took over direct control of the Ha'avara,
>>which remained in effect until the Second World War forced its
>>abandonment.
>>
>>Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany's Consul
>>General in Jerusalem, Hans D_hle, for example, sharply criticized the
>>Agreement on several
>>occasions during 1937. He pointed out that it cost Germany the foreign
>>exchange that the products exported to Palestine through the pact
>>would bring if sold elsewhere. The Ha'avara monopoly sale of German
>>goods to Palestine through a
>>Jewish agency naturally angered German businessmen and Arabs there.
>>Official German support for Zionism could lead to a loss of German
>>markets throughout the Arab world. The British government also
>>resented the arrangement.34 
>>
>>A June 1937 German Foreign Office internal bulletin referred to the
>>"foreign exchange sacrifices" that resulted from the Ha'avara. 35
>>
>>A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry
>>reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: "There is no doubt that
>>the Ha'avara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the
>>very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided
>>not only the largest source of money
>>(from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants,
>>and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial
>>products essential for
>>development." The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was
>>the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most
>>desirable target country as
>>far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important
>>drawbacks pointed out by Consul D_hle and others. The Interior
>>Minister, it went on, had
>>concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the
>>advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. 36
>>
>>Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed
>>the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and
>>each time decided
>>to maintain the Ha'avara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from
>>Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks. 37
>>
>>The Reich Economics Ministry helped to organize another transfer
>>company, the International Trade and Investment Agency, or Intria,
>>through which Jews in
>>foreign countries could help German Jews emigrate to Palestine. Almost
>>$900,000 was eventually channeled through the Intria to German Jews in
>>Palestine.38
>>
>>Other European countries eager to encourage Jewish emigration
>>concluded agreements with the Zionists modeled after the Ha'avara. In
>>1937 Poland authorized the
>>Halifin (Hebrew for "exchange") transfer company. By late summer 1939,
>>Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Italy had signed similar
>>arrangements.
>>
>>The outbreak of war in September 1939, however, prevented large-scale
>>implementation of these agreements. 39
>>
>>Achievements of Ha'avara
>>
>>Between 1933 and 1941, some 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Palestine
>>through the Ha'avara and other German-Zionist arrangements, or about
>>ten percent of Germany's 1933 Jewish population. (These German Jews
>>made up about 15 percent
>>of Palestine's 1939 Jewish population.) Some Ha'avara emigrants
>>transferred considerable personal wealth from Germany to Palestine. As
>>Jewish historian Edwin Black has noted: "Many of these people,
>>especially in the late 1930s, were
>>allowed to transfer actual replicas of their homes and factories -
>>indeed rough replicas of their very existence."40
>>
>>The total amount transferred from Germany to Palestine through the
>>Ha'avara between August 1933 and the end of 1939 was 8.1 million
>>pounds or 139.57 million
>>German marks (then equivalent to more than $40 million). This amount
>>included 33.9 million German marks ($13.8 million) provided by the
>>Reichsbank in connection with the Agreement.41
>>
>>Historian Black has estimated that an additional $70 million may have
>>flowed into Palestine through corollary German commercial agreements
>>and special international banking transactions. The German funds had a
>>major impact on a
>>country as underdeveloped as Palestine was in the 1930s, he pointed
>>out.
>>
>>Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from
>>Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile
>>firm. The influx of Ha'avara goods
>>and capital, concluded Black, "produced an economic explosion in
>>Jewish Palestine" and was "an indispensable factor in the creation of
>>the State of Israel."42
>>
>>The Ha'avara agreement greatly contributed to Jewish development in
>>Palestine and thus, indirectly, to the foundation of the Israeli
>>state. A January 1939 German
>>Foreign Office circular bulletin reported, with some misgiving, that
>>"the transfer of Jewish property out of Germany [through the Ha'avara
>>agreement] contributed to
>>no small extent to the building of a Jewish state in Palestine."43
>>
>>Former officials of the Ha'avara company in Palestine confirmed this
>>view in a detailed study of the Transfer Agreement published in 1972:
>>"The economic activity
>>made possible by the influx German capital and the Haavara transfers
>>to the private and public sectors were of greatest importance for the
>>country's development.
>>
>>Many new industries and commercial enterprises were established in
>>Jewish Palestine, and numerous companies that are enormously important
>>even today in the
>>economy of the State of Israel owe their existence to the Haavara."44 
>>
>>Dr.Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the
>>1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara
>>immigrants "decisively
>>contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational
>>development of Palestine's Jewish community.45
>>
>>The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of
>>cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism.
>>Through this pact, Hitler's Third
>>Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support
>>Jewish development in Palestine.
>>
>>Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
>>
>>In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization
>>submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a
>>military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made
>>by the radical underground "Fighters for
>>the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its
>>leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical
>>nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over
>>the group's attitude toward Britain, which
>>had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern
>>regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
>>
>>This remarkable Zionist proposal "for the solution of the Jewish
>>question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in
>>the war on the side of
>>Germany" is worth quoting at some length:46
>>
>>In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National
>>Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe
>>requires as  a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question
>>by evacuation.("Jew-free Europe")
>>
>>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>>solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally
>>achieved  is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the
>>Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state
>>in its historical boundaries.
>>
>>The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the
>>Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in
>>Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this
>>way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.
>>
>>The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich
>>government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany
>>and the  Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:
>>
>>
>>
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments. 
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
>>
>>(...)
>>
>>.............................................
>>                                                                          
>>                                                                          
>>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com



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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>>>And don't forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>gangster!!!



>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin's participation in war crimes
>>>>
>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>
>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>
>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook "to
>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts." A Signatory may
>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world's
>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States' legal obligations to do so.
>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>
>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>
>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>1977, as 'grave breaches', the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>
>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>
>>>>"1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately." The order was signed "Yitzhak
>>>>R[abin]."
>>>>
>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>"The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949" by Israeli
>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo's book "The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland", Quartet Books,
>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>
>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin's implication in
>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin's orders. As a prelude to
>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile'. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>planned 'transfer' policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>master plan of "ethnical cleansing".
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as 'war crimes'.
>>>>
>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>                            of their Inhabitants
>>>>
>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>prohibit "at any time and in any place whatsoever....collective
>>>>punishments". It seems that the destruction of these villages - every
>>>>single house in them - constitutes 'collective punishment' within the
>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>    3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>                                 Youngsters
>>>>
>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by "force, might,
>>>>beatings". More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>
>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha'aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin's role in these
>>>>policies.
>>>>
>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) "inhuman treatment....wilfully
>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health". Protocol I
>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>the acts which remain "prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:": "Violence to
>>>>the....physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular....(iii)
>>>>corporal punishment."
>>>>
>>>>    4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>                       Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin's war:
>>>>"Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>southern Lebanon. (...) Rabin's War - Operation Accountability - has killed
>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>Beirut. (...) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(...) About
>>>>80 villages have been hit.". According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the "majority of casualties were
>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>around 100,000."
>>>>
>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was "expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon 'uninhabitable' and to create a
>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel's will (...)"
>>>>
>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), "some 400,000
>>>>people - mainly Shi'ite Muslims - fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves".
>>>>
>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>specifies as a 'grave breach' (war crime) "making the civilian population
>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack" as well as "launching an
>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects". Further details are provided
>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a 'grave breach' of international
>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>
>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>
>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>
>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>their country's sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>
>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>
>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>
>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>
>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>
>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Rabin's Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>
>>>>As to Mr. Rabin's personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>and 1967).
>>>>
>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>"to break the bones" of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by "force, might, beatings" and
>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>
>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel's Prime
>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin's primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>
>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>
>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>described as 'war crimes' as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of 'war crimes', as committed in World
>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>the "deportation ... for any ... purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>occupied territory" as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>"deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>population....when such acts are done....in connection with any crime
>>>>against peace or any war crime", as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>process of law to determine a defendant's culpability and punishment). The
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes 'corporal punishment', although not as
>>>>a 'grave breach'. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>
>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the 'grave
>>>>breaches' (war crimes), if such attacks were committed "wilfully, in
>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>serious injury to body or health".
>>>>
>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>
>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>then, state:
>>>>
>>>>"The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law"
>>>>(Principle III. "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him".
>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>
>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>such reservations.
>>>>
>>>>Conclusion
>>>>
>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>
>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived - legally - by
>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today's world, it
>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>Human rights' and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin's
>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>found.
>>>
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled - as Fertiliser



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:39:41 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:06:52 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." 
>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> North Shore News
>>>>> February 2, 1997
>>>>> 
>>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>>> Doug Collins
>>>>> 
>>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>>> wonder why?
>>>
>>>	Actually Riggs 'study' was reported in the L.A.Times and in some
>>>Texas newspapers were he is from. To set and maintain the record, here
>>>is a report on the L.A.Times version posted to alt.revisionism at the
>>>time. The reason it found it's way into so many papers is because the
>>>subject is supposed to portray the Jews as awesome military heroes.
>>>Rigg's study is more the result of fantasy than academic research. It
>>>was said he might write a book or something, but then don't count on
>>>it. It ain't happened yet. It would expose his stuff to verification
>>>and he (they) are relying on people holding the notions just from what
>>>was in the newspapers.
>>>
>>>	Intitially posted under "Super Jews in Hitler's Army".
>>>
>>>	              "The Jews in Hitler's Military"
>>>
>>>                       L.A.Times, Dec. 24, 1996
>>>
>>>"A young American is 
>>>documenting the stories 
>>>of Hundreds of German 
>>>veterans of Jewish descent. 
>>>Many lost family to the 
>>>Holocaust while serving the 
>>>Nazi regime."
>>>
>>>LONDON--"Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>mission, American Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no
>>>man's land of Holocaust history.
>>>	Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish descent ... who
>>>served ...during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million
>>>Jews. 
>>>	'Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the
>>>Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the military but at the same time
>>>exterminated their families.'
>>>	On a heady journey of personal and professional discovery, the 25
>>>year old Texan ... interviewed more than 300 of these veterans ...
>>>Passed along from one old soldier to another, he has crisscrossed
>>>Germany 4 times ...
>>>	Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1200
>>>of Hilter's soldiers including two field marshalls and 10 generals,
>>>men commanding up to 100,000, ..."
>>>
>>>[ That and the next line is the beginning of the real motive for the
>>>story and why it would find it's way into the L.A.Times, the Judeo
>>>supremacy publication. ]
>>>
>>>"In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the
>>>Knight's Cross, Germany's highest honor, he said."
>>>
>>>	"This fall, Rigg, Yale '96, arrived at England Cambridge
>>>University ... lugging his clothes ... documentation ... Jonathan
>>>Steinberg, Cambridge historian, read Rigg's files and hurried to find
>>>a safe place for them.
>>>
>>>[[ Here we have a Jewish holding to the papers as dear. This would
>>>indicate he thought they had something beneficial. ]]
>>> 
>>>	Along the way, Rigg, who is of German extraction and was raised
>>>as a Protestant, has discovered that he too has Jewish ancestry. Like
>>>many of the families he has visited, Rigg had distant relatives who
>>>were killed for being Jewish--and others who died fighting in battle
>>>for Nazi Germany."
>>>
>>>[ I would say if Rigg's was confronted with a demand to stand
>>>accountable to show his Jewish ancestry and to prove any events they
>>>lived through it would result in some real embarrassment. Its all too
>>>pat.
>>>
>>>One of the more obvious points of this article reveals the racial
>>>aspect of Judaism. ]
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>	The article being more than a half page long I will just cite the
>>>relevant parts that throw suspicion on the accounts, the racist
>>>connection and the reason it found it's way into the L.A.Times - to
>>>hype Jewish supremacy.
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>	"Many of the men Rigg meets cling to Nazi terminology, describing
>>>themselves as half Jewish, half German."
>>>
>>>[ Here we have the term "half Jewish" being designated "Nazi
>>>terminology" when in fact it is a term used by Jews themselves and has
>>>been referred to many times in medias and even movies. Not to mention
>>>it is used to designate the racial status of any one else, 'half
>>>Black', 'half Irish', etc.
>>>
>>>The article does not lead to any evidential conclusion that any of the
>>>Germans are half Jewish. It seems more like they would be quarter or
>>>even eighth Jewish. ]
>>>	   		
>>>	"One of his discoveries was a 1944 German document listing 77
>>>high ranking officers 'of mixed Jewish race or married to a Jew'. Two
>>>generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals and 23
>>>colonels."
>>>
>>>[ It doesn't say how many were of "Jewish race" or how many were those
>>>who were connected by marriage so we are to assume all of them. ]
>>>
>>>	"'I don't think it ever occurred to go to a general's personal
>>>file to see if he was Jewish', said Steinberg".
>>>
>>>[ Not bothering to consider the ones that were just married to a Jew.]
>>>
>>>
>>>	"... Hitler loathed Jews, but he also needed experienced
>>>commanders and fighters". 
>>>
>>>[ So under the circumstances, there just wasn't enough to draw from
>>>the measly German genetic stock for "experienced" "commanders" and
>>>"fighters". ]
>>>
>>>	"He (Rigg's) said there were at least a dozen exception lists
>>>approved by Hitler--naming ranking officials not only in the armed
>>>forces but in the civilian administration that worked with military.
>>>One German civilian of Jewish heritage ..."
>>>
>>>[ "One ,,,"  "German civilian" of "Jewish heritage"? ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"In interviews and research in Germany this month, Rigg found
>>>still more Wehrmacht officers of Jewish descent ..." 
>>>
>>>[ More "officers" of Jewish "decent".  Another thing that is evident
>>>in the article is glorifying Jewish descent as if it was the only
>>>descent of value to speak of. We can take note that the ones found on
>>>the list are "officers". ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"One Knight's Cross winner was reunited with his Jewish father in
>>>England ..."
>>>
>>>[ This is the first of three or four times the article mentions
>>>"Jewish father". No where does it mention a Jewish mother, which is a
>>>necessary technicality in the Jewish race to be rated a Jew. In fact
>>>the only name mentioned in the whole article as being high ranking is
>>>Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who had a Jewish father".]
>>>
>>>	"Rigg also brought to light to folklore surrounding the
>>>derring-do rescue ... Rigg has identified him as bayonet scarred,
>>>bemedaled, Maj. Ernst Bloch ... whose father was Jewish."
>>>
>>>[ The significance here of course is the "... derring-do ... Jewish
>>>father" connection.]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"About 100,000 Jews served in the German army in World War I, and
>>>about 12,000 of them were killed."
>>>
>>>	[ Now here would be very good place to start to look into Rigg's
>>>project. Here we have "100,000" Jews said to have served in the German
>>>army during World War I whereas Holocaust accounts have it that only
>>>300,000 Jews, all together, were in Germany prior to World War II.
>>>Considering the age, sex aspect of any particular people, we would
>>>have to recognize that if there were 100,000 German Jews fighting in
>>>WWII there would be at least a million in all. It is so typical with
>>>Holocaust/Jewish propaganda to have their facts and figures step all
>>>over each other. Whatever, this is a real blunder. ]
>>>
>>>	(The WWI) "...Veterans thought their service would protect them
>>>against the Nazi crackdown ... When the transports came ... Some even
>>>went to the gas chamber with their medals on."
>>>
>>>[ Okay, we see again we have a heroic lot here with "medals". How
>>>Rigg's came to find out how any of them went to the gas chambers, much
>>>less with their medals on should be very interesting. Especially since
>>>he says "some". If he had said 'one' this is something we could accept
>>>as being in the realm of a possibility, but with the "some", well too
>>>wayout. This is another one of those wacky yarns like all the rest of
>>>the Holocaust eyewitness testimonies, which we must assume would be
>>>the source for Rigg's blurt. 
>>>
>>>Since Holocaust accounts have the people were made to strip naked, we
>>>can muse over how the heroic Jews came to still have their medals on.
>>>
>>>How did Riggs come to get involved with the project? ]] 
>>>
>>>	"Rigg's quest began at Yale, when he started researching his
>>>family history in Germany. First he learned that his
>>>great-grandparents, who arrived as Protestants, had been born in
>>>Germany as Jews."
>>>
>>>[ Since then he has focused his identity on the two Jews from a
>>>hundred years ago, and nothing in between seems to matter. Is it fact?
>>>Who knows. ]
>>>
>>>	"Then one night in 1992, he went to see 'Europa, Europa', a film
>>>about a Jewish adolescent who hid out in the German army during World
>>>War II. After the movie, Rigg's struck a conversation with an elderly
>>>German Jew... and he listened until morning"
>>> 
>>>[ Now there we have a revealing particular of how he came to be
>>>involved. The old man stayed up all night? ] 
>>>	  
>>>	So far it seems Rigg's has not written a book on the subject or
>>>released any details of his story, so the world will have to wait
>>>before anyone can go over the routes of his research. And perhaps
>>>there may never be any. There are just to many problems to cover up
>>>with this latest bravado.
>>>
>>>	On top of it all the Judeo/Holocaust propaganda is further
>>>compromised when trying to fit all the talk about "Jewish", "field
>>>marshalls", "generals" and medal winners in with something like Daniel
>>>Goldhagen's book, 'Ordinary Germans, Hitler's Willing Executioners"
>>>which strives to show all the Germans, and especially high ranking
>>>military people knew about and willingly contributed to the
>>>exterminations of millions of Jews.
>>>     
>>>	It's funny how Holocaust accounts stampede all over themselves
>>>and all over each other.	
>>>
>>>	In another twist, this article and thus Rigg's, seem to strive to
>>>show and glorify Jews by claiming high position and heroic
>>>accomplishment in the very German machine the Holocaust story works so
>>>hard at portraying as evil.
>>>
>>>	Well, when it comes to selling Jewish supremacy, anything goes.
>>>
>>>	When looking at the picture of Rigg's, I can see blind ambition,
>>>the boy next door, and I think of that long talk he had into the wee
>>>hours of the morning with the German Jew.
>>>
>>>	If ever Rigg's does publish a paper with documentation to support
>>>his claims of the awesome heroics it will be subject to investigation.
>>>And, if he never does publish a paper for public scrutiny we can
>>>wonder about that. ]] 



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On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:05:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:38 -0600, freespeech1@mailexcite.com wrote:

>Zionism and the Third Reich

>Mark Weber

>Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the
>German
>port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name,
>"Tel Aviv," while a
>swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
>Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many
>years later a traveler
>aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical
>absurdity."1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a
>little-known chapter of history: The
>wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
>
>Common Aims
>
>Over the years, people in many different countries have wrestled with
>the "Jewish question": that is, what is the proper role of Jews in
>non-Jewish society? During
>the 1930s, Jewish Zionists and German National Socialists shared
>similar views on how to deal with this perplexing issue. They agreed
>that Jews and Germans were
>distinctly different nationalities, and that Jews did not belong in
>Germany.
>Jews living in the Reich were therefore to be regarded not as "Germans
>of the Jewish faith," but rather as members of a separate national
>community. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) also implied an obligation by
>Zionist Jews to resettle in Palestine, the
>"Jewish homeland." They could hardly regard themselves as sincere
>Zionists and simultaneously claim equal rights in Germany or any other
>"foreign" country.
>
>Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained
>that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely
>understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and
>attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize
>reality and live in a separate state of their own.
>
>"The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers,"
>he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it
>does not exist, it is brought
>in by arriving Jews. . . . I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which
>is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew,
>without hate or fear." The Jewish question, he maintained, is not
>social or religious. "It is a national
>question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international
>political issue. . . ."
>
>Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not
>merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
>Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered
>the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."
>
>
>Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of
>Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a
>detailed memorandum to the
>new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally
>offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." The
>first step, it suggested,
>had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences: 4
>
>Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition,
>which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in
>the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own
>tradition. Zionism
>recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend,
>symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear . . .
>
>Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people,
>which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its
>Christian and national
>character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the
>Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a
>sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping
>of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the
>liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community
>and collective responsibility . . .
>
>We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that
>can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question,
>take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will
>have to be dealt with by most European peoples . . .
>
>Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and
>sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial
>realities.
>
>Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals,
>because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining
>the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the
>cultural domain, we - having been brought up in the German language
>and German culture - can show an
> interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration
>and internal sympathy . . .
>
>For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the
>collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews,
>because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are
>involved but a real problem
>whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment
>especially the  German people . . .
>
>Boycott propaganda - such as is currently being carried on against
>Germany in many ways - is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants
>not to do battle but to convince and to build . . .
>
>We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will
>continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe
>disadvantages result  for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions
>for other peoples.
>
>The Federation's paper, the Jüdische Rundschau ("Jewish Review"),
>proclaimed the same message: "Zionism recognizes the existence of a
>Jewish problem and
>desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose
>Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro-
>or anti-Jewish, because, in its
>view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental
>problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested."5 A young
>Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz,
>who later settled in the United States and became head of the American
>Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden ("We Jews"), that
>the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant "Jewry for the
>Jews." He explained: "No
>subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new
>concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race." 6
>
>Active Collaboration
>
>On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and
>nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what
>each group believed was in its own
>national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously
>supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until
>1940-1941, when the Second
>World War prevented extensive collaboration.
>
>Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews,
>probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with
>considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about
>pulling up roots to begin a new
>life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews
>turned to Zionism
>during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished
>in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's
>bi-weekly Judische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books
>were published. "Zionist
>work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the
>Encyclopaedia Judaica
>notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its
>composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7
>
>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An
>internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging
>support for Zionism by the
>government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of
>Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish
>self-awareness. Jewish
>schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations - in
>short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and
>self-awareness - should be
>promoted, the paper recommended.8
>
>SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official
>Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess
>Zionist development there. Based
>on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of
>twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff
>that appeared in late 1934 under
>the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great
>admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish
>settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had
>produced a new kind of Jew. He
>praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the
>entire world.
>
>A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article,
>"pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the
>world: the Jewish
>question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one
>side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint
>SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von
>Mildenstein was promoted to head the
>Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to
>support Zionist migration and development more effectively. 9
>
>The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support
>for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be
>too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who
>have been lost to it for
>more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official
>goodwill, go with them."10
>
>Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: 11
>
>The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not
>on religion leads the German government to guarantee without
>reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government
>finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement
>within Jewry, the so-called
>Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the
>world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis,
>Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role
>in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.
>
>A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service
>from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing "strictly
>kosher food on its ships,
>under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate." 12
>
>With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to "reeducate"
>Germany's Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his
>1985 survey, The Third Reich
>and the Palestine Question: "Zionists were encouraged to take their
>message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on
>Palestine and generally to
>educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure
>to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans
>and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them." 13
>
>In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist
>Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation:
>"The Gestapo did everything in
>those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often
>received their help when we required anything from other authorities
>regarding preparations for emigration." 14
>
>At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag
>adopted the so-called "Nuremberg laws" that prohibited marriages and
>sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed
>the Jews an alien minority
>nationality. A few days later the Zionist Judische Rundschau
>editorially welcomed the new measures: 15
>
>Germany . . . is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress
>when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national
>minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is
>again possible to
>establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The
>new laws  give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life,
>its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own
>schools, its own theatre, and its
>own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all
>aspects of national life . . .
>
>Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for
>itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the
>Jewish minority:
>
>Jewry's process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and
>a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable
>relations   between the two nations.
>
>Georg Kareski, the head of both the "Revisionist" Zionist State
>Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the
>Berlin Jewish Community,
>declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end
>of 1935:  16
>
>For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural
>affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for
>living  together without conflict. . . . I have long supported such a
>separation,  provided it is founded on respect for the alien
>nationality. The Nuremberg Laws
>     . . . seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform
>entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect.
>. . . This interruption
>of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had
>been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish
>point of view, entirely welcome.
>
>Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S.
>Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish
>Congress, told   a New
>York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish
>faith, I am a Jew. . . . Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the
>Jewish people a race and we are a race." 17
>
>The Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard
>L_sener,
>expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a
>November 1935 issue of the
>official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: 18
>
>If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them
>were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely
>resolved  today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of
>opposition to
>the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the
>Zionists,  because they realize at once that these laws represent the
>only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation
>must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular
>nationhood.
>
>In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a
>network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout
>Germany where
>prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
>Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German
>flag, Jews were specifically
>guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national
>banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at
>the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. 19
>
>Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist
>underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid
>Haganah official Feivel
>Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help
>in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah
>was kept well informed
>about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin
>headquarters of the SS.20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included
>secret deliveries of German
>weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
>21
>
>In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of
>violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist
>organization to get back on its feet
>and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted
>supervision. 22
>
>Official Reservations
>
>German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party
>officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful
>Jewish communities in the
>United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their"
>governments and
>fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained
>implacably hostile
>towards National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority
>of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the
>Zionist "promised land," a
>sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the
>international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it
>would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign.
>German backing for Zionism was therefore
>limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British
>control, not a sovereign Jewish state. 23
>
>A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats
>in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not
>be able to absorb all
>Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power
>base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as
>a base for international Communism.24 
>
>Reflecting something of a shift in official policy,
>the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for
>Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when
>tension and conflict between
>Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing. 25
>
>A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in
>spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would
>nevertheless be a mistake to
>assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in
>Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the
>anti-German agitation of international
>Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish
>state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the
>world."26 "
>
>The proclamation
>of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an
>internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would
>create for Germany a new
>enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the
>Near East."
>
>Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring
>special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving
>legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry."27 In
>January 1939,
>
>Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned
>in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation
>of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it
>"would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry." 28
>
>Hitler himself personally reviewed this entire issue in early 1938
>and, in spite of his long-standing skepticism of Zionist ambitions and
>misgivings that his policies might
>contribute to the formation of a Jewish state, decided to support
>Jewish migration to Palestine even more vigorously. The prospect of
>ridding Germany of its Jews,
>he concluded, outweighed the possible dangers. 29
>
>Meanwhile, the British government imposed ever more drastic
>restrictions on Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937, 1938 and
>1939. In response, the SS
>security service concluded a secret alliance with the clandestine
>Zionist agency Mossad le-Aliya Bet to smuggle Jews illegally into
>Palestine. As a result of this intensive collaboration, several
>convoys of ships succeeded in reaching
>Palestine past British gunboats. Jewish migration, both legal and
>illegal, from Germany
>(including Austria) to Palestine increased dramatically in 1938 and
>1939.
>
>Another 10,000 Jews were scheduled to depart in October 1939, but the
>outbreak of war in September brought the effort to an end. All the
>same, German authorities continued to promote indirect Jewish
>emigration to Palestine during 1940 and 1941. 30
>
>Even as late as March 1942, at least one officially authorized Zionist
>"kibbutz" training camp for potential emigrants continued to operate
>in Hitler's Germany. 31
>
>The Transfer Agreement
>
>The centerpiece of German-Zionist cooperation during the Hitler era
>was theTransfer Agreement, a pact that enabled tens of thousands of
>German Jews to migrate
>to Palestine with their wealth. The Agreement, also known as the
>Ha'avara (Hebrew for "transfer"), was concluded in August 1933
>following talks between German
>officials and Chaim Arlosoroff, Political Secretary of the Jewish
>Agency, the Palestine center of the World Zionist Organization. 32
>
>Through this unusual arrangement, each Jew bound for Palestine
>deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to
>purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps,
>fertilizer, and so
>forth, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the
>Jewish-owned Ha'avara
>company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the Jewish
>emigrant upon his arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to
>his deposit in Germany.
>
>German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha'avara, which was
>supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which
>Palestine oranges were
>exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and
>other goods. The Agreement thus served the Zionist aim of bringing
>Jewish settlers and
>development capital to Palestine, while simultaneously serving the
>German goal of freeing the country of an unwanted alien group.
>
>Delegates at the 1933 Zionist Congress in Prague vigorously debated
>the merits of the Agreement. Some feared that the pact would undermine
>the international
>Jewish economic boycott against Germany. But Zionist officials
>reassured the Congress. Sam Cohen, a key figure behind the Ha'avara
>arrangement, stressed that
>the Agreement was not economically advantageous to Germany. Arthur
>Ruppin, a Zionist Organization emigration specialist who had helped
>negotiate the pact,
>pointed out that "the Transfer Agreement in no way interfered with the
>boycott movement, since no new currency will flow into Germany as a
>result of the agreement. . . ." 33 The 1935 Zionist Congress, meeting
>in Switzerland,
>overwhelmingly endorsed the pact. In 1936, the Jewish Agency (the
>Zionist "shadow
>government" in Palestine) took over direct control of the Ha'avara,
>which remained in effect until the Second World War forced its
>abandonment.
>
>Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany's Consul
>General in Jerusalem, Hans D_hle, for example, sharply criticized the
>Agreement on several
>occasions during 1937. He pointed out that it cost Germany the foreign
>exchange that the products exported to Palestine through the pact
>would bring if sold elsewhere. The Ha'avara monopoly sale of German
>goods to Palestine through a
>Jewish agency naturally angered German businessmen and Arabs there.
>Official German support for Zionism could lead to a loss of German
>markets throughout the Arab world. The British government also
>resented the arrangement.34 
>
>A June 1937 German Foreign Office internal bulletin referred to the
>"foreign exchange sacrifices" that resulted from the Ha'avara. 35
>
>A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry
>reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: "There is no doubt that
>the Ha'avara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the
>very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided
>not only the largest source of money
>(from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants,
>and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial
>products essential for
>development." The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was
>the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most
>desirable target country as
>far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important
>drawbacks pointed out by Consul D_hle and others. The Interior
>Minister, it went on, had
>concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the
>advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. 36
>
>Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed
>the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and
>each time decided
>to maintain the Ha'avara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from
>Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks. 37
>
>The Reich Economics Ministry helped to organize another transfer
>company, the International Trade and Investment Agency, or Intria,
>through which Jews in
>foreign countries could help German Jews emigrate to Palestine. Almost
>$900,000 was eventually channeled through the Intria to German Jews in
>Palestine.38
>
>Other European countries eager to encourage Jewish emigration
>concluded agreements with the Zionists modeled after the Ha'avara. In
>1937 Poland authorized the
>Halifin (Hebrew for "exchange") transfer company. By late summer 1939,
>Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Italy had signed similar
>arrangements.
>
>The outbreak of war in September 1939, however, prevented large-scale
>implementation of these agreements. 39
>
>Achievements of Ha'avara
>
>Between 1933 and 1941, some 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Palestine
>through the Ha'avara and other German-Zionist arrangements, or about
>ten percent of Germany's 1933 Jewish population. (These German Jews
>made up about 15 percent
>of Palestine's 1939 Jewish population.) Some Ha'avara emigrants
>transferred considerable personal wealth from Germany to Palestine. As
>Jewish historian Edwin Black has noted: "Many of these people,
>especially in the late 1930s, were
>allowed to transfer actual replicas of their homes and factories -
>indeed rough replicas of their very existence."40
>
>The total amount transferred from Germany to Palestine through the
>Ha'avara between August 1933 and the end of 1939 was 8.1 million
>pounds or 139.57 million
>German marks (then equivalent to more than $40 million). This amount
>included 33.9 million German marks ($13.8 million) provided by the
>Reichsbank in connection with the Agreement.41
>
>Historian Black has estimated that an additional $70 million may have
>flowed into Palestine through corollary German commercial agreements
>and special international banking transactions. The German funds had a
>major impact on a
>country as underdeveloped as Palestine was in the 1930s, he pointed
>out.
>
>Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from
>Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile
>firm. The influx of Ha'avara goods
>and capital, concluded Black, "produced an economic explosion in
>Jewish Palestine" and was "an indispensable factor in the creation of
>the State of Israel."42
>
>The Ha'avara agreement greatly contributed to Jewish development in
>Palestine and thus, indirectly, to the foundation of the Israeli
>state. A January 1939 German
>Foreign Office circular bulletin reported, with some misgiving, that
>"the transfer of Jewish property out of Germany [through the Ha'avara
>agreement] contributed to
>no small extent to the building of a Jewish state in Palestine."43
>
>Former officials of the Ha'avara company in Palestine confirmed this
>view in a detailed study of the Transfer Agreement published in 1972:
>"The economic activity
>made possible by the influx German capital and the Haavara transfers
>to the private and public sectors were of greatest importance for the
>country's development.
>
>Many new industries and commercial enterprises were established in
>Jewish Palestine, and numerous companies that are enormously important
>even today in the
>economy of the State of Israel owe their existence to the Haavara."44 
>
>Dr.Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the
>1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara
>immigrants "decisively
>contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational
>development of Palestine's Jewish community.45
>
>The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of
>cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism.
>Through this pact, Hitler's Third
>Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support
>Jewish development in Palestine.
>
>Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
>
>In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization
>submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a
>military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made
>by the radical underground "Fighters for
>the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its
>leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical
>nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over
>the group's attitude toward Britain, which
>had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern
>regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
>
>This remarkable Zionist proposal "for the solution of the Jewish
>question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in
>the war on the side of
>Germany" is worth quoting at some length:46
>
>In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National
>Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe
>requires as  a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question
>by evacuation.("Jew-free Europe")
>
>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally
>achieved  is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the
>Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state
>in its historical boundaries.
>
>The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the
>Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in
>Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this
>way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.
>
>The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich
>government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany
>and the  Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:
>
>
>
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:19:05 GMT, elieK@nazikor.nizkook.org wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:05:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:38 -0600, freespeech1@mailexcite.com wrote:

>>Zionism and the Third Reich

>>Mark Weber

>>Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the
>>German
>>port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name,
>>"Tel Aviv," while a
>>swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
>>Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many
>>years later a traveler
>>aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical
>>absurdity."1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a
>>little-known chapter of history: The
>>wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
>>
>>Common Aims
>>
>>Over the years, people in many different countries have wrestled with
>>the "Jewish question": that is, what is the proper role of Jews in
>>non-Jewish society? During
>>the 1930s, Jewish Zionists and German National Socialists shared
>>similar views on how to deal with this perplexing issue. They agreed
>>that Jews and Germans were
>>distinctly different nationalities, and that Jews did not belong in
>>Germany.
>>Jews living in the Reich were therefore to be regarded not as "Germans
>>of the Jewish faith," but rather as members of a separate national
>>community. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) also implied an obligation by
>>Zionist Jews to resettle in Palestine, the
>>"Jewish homeland." They could hardly regard themselves as sincere
>>Zionists and simultaneously claim equal rights in Germany or any other
>>"foreign" country.
>>
>>Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained
>>that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely
>>understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and
>>attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize
>>reality and live in a separate state of their own.
>>
>>"The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers,"
>>he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it
>>does not exist, it is brought
>>in by arriving Jews. . . . I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which
>>is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew,
>>without hate or fear." The Jewish question, he maintained, is not
>>social or religious. "It is a national
>>question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international
>>political issue. . . ."
>>
>>Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not
>>merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
>>Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered
>>the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."
>>
>>
>>Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of
>>Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a
>>detailed memorandum to the
>>new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally
>>offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." The
>>first step, it suggested,
>>had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences: 4
>>
>>Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition,
>>which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in
>>the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own
>>tradition. Zionism
>>recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend,
>>symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear . . .
>>
>>Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people,
>>which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its
>>Christian and national
>>character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the
>>Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a
>>sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping
>>of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the
>>liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community
>>and collective responsibility . . .
>>
>>We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that
>>can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question,
>>take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will
>>have to be dealt with by most European peoples . . .
>>
>>Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and
>>sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial
>>realities.
>>
>>Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals,
>>because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining
>>the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the
>>cultural domain, we - having been brought up in the German language
>>and German culture - can show an
>> interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration
>>and internal sympathy . . .
>>
>>For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the
>>collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews,
>>because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are
>>involved but a real problem
>>whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment
>>especially the  German people . . .
>>
>>Boycott propaganda - such as is currently being carried on against
>>Germany in many ways - is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants
>>not to do battle but to convince and to build . . .
>>
>>We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will
>>continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe
>>disadvantages result  for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions
>>for other peoples.
>>
>>The Federation's paper, the Jüdische Rundschau ("Jewish Review"),
>>proclaimed the same message: "Zionism recognizes the existence of a
>>Jewish problem and
>>desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose
>>Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro-
>>or anti-Jewish, because, in its
>>view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental
>>problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested."5 A young
>>Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz,
>>who later settled in the United States and became head of the American
>>Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden ("We Jews"), that
>>the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant "Jewry for the
>>Jews." He explained: "No
>>subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new
>>concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race." 6
>>
>>Active Collaboration
>>
>>On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and
>>nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what
>>each group believed was in its own
>>national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously
>>supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until
>>1940-1941, when the Second
>>World War prevented extensive collaboration.
>>
>>Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews,
>>probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with
>>considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about
>>pulling up roots to begin a new
>>life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews
>>turned to Zionism
>>during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished
>>in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's
>>bi-weekly Judische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books
>>were published. "Zionist
>>work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the
>>Encyclopaedia Judaica
>>notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its
>>composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7
>>
>>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An
>>internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging
>>support for Zionism by the
>>government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of
>>Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish
>>self-awareness. Jewish
>>schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations - in
>>short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and
>>self-awareness - should be
>>promoted, the paper recommended.8
>>
>>SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official
>>Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess
>>Zionist development there. Based
>>on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of
>>twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff
>>that appeared in late 1934 under
>>the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great
>>admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish
>>settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had
>>produced a new kind of Jew. He
>>praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the
>>entire world.
>>
>>A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article,
>>"pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the
>>world: the Jewish
>>question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one
>>side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint
>>SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von
>>Mildenstein was promoted to head the
>>Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to
>>support Zionist migration and development more effectively. 9
>>
>>The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support
>>for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be
>>too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who
>>have been lost to it for
>>more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official
>>goodwill, go with them."10
>>
>>Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: 11
>>
>>The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not
>>on religion leads the German government to guarantee without
>>reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government
>>finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement
>>within Jewry, the so-called
>>Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the
>>world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis,
>>Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role
>>in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.
>>
>>A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service
>>from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing "strictly
>>kosher food on its ships,
>>under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate." 12
>>
>>With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to "reeducate"
>>Germany's Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his
>>1985 survey, The Third Reich
>>and the Palestine Question: "Zionists were encouraged to take their
>>message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on
>>Palestine and generally to
>>educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure
>>to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans
>>and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them." 13
>>
>>In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist
>>Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation:
>>"The Gestapo did everything in
>>those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often
>>received their help when we required anything from other authorities
>>regarding preparations for emigration." 14
>>
>>At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag
>>adopted the so-called "Nuremberg laws" that prohibited marriages and
>>sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed
>>the Jews an alien minority
>>nationality. A few days later the Zionist Judische Rundschau
>>editorially welcomed the new measures: 15
>>
>>Germany . . . is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress
>>when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national
>>minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is
>>again possible to
>>establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The
>>new laws  give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life,
>>its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own
>>schools, its own theatre, and its
>>own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all
>>aspects of national life . . .
>>
>>Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for
>>itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the
>>Jewish minority:
>>
>>Jewry's process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and
>>a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable
>>relations   between the two nations.
>>
>>Georg Kareski, the head of both the "Revisionist" Zionist State
>>Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the
>>Berlin Jewish Community,
>>declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end
>>of 1935:  16
>>
>>For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural
>>affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for
>>living  together without conflict. . . . I have long supported such a
>>separation,  provided it is founded on respect for the alien
>>nationality. The Nuremberg Laws
>>     . . . seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform
>>entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect.
>>. . . This interruption
>>of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had
>>been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish
>>point of view, entirely welcome.
>>
>>Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S.
>>Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish
>>Congress, told   a New
>>York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish
>>faith, I am a Jew. . . . Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the
>>Jewish people a race and we are a race." 17
>>
>>The Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard
>>L_sener,
>>expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a
>>November 1935 issue of the
>>official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: 18
>>
>>If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them
>>were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely
>>resolved  today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of
>>opposition to
>>the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the
>>Zionists,  because they realize at once that these laws represent the
>>only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation
>>must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular
>>nationhood.
>>
>>In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a
>>network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout
>>Germany where
>>prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
>>Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German
>>flag, Jews were specifically
>>guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national
>>banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at
>>the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. 19
>>
>>Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist
>>underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid
>>Haganah official Feivel
>>Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help
>>in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah
>>was kept well informed
>>about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin
>>headquarters of the SS.20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included
>>secret deliveries of German
>>weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
>>21
>>
>>In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of
>>violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist
>>organization to get back on its feet
>>and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted
>>supervision. 22
>>
>>Official Reservations
>>
>>German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party
>>officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful
>>Jewish communities in the
>>United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their"
>>governments and
>>fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained
>>implacably hostile
>>towards National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority
>>of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the
>>Zionist "promised land," a
>>sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the
>>international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it
>>would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign.
>>German backing for Zionism was therefore
>>limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British
>>control, not a sovereign Jewish state. 23
>>
>>A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats
>>in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not
>>be able to absorb all
>>Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power
>>base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as
>>a base for international Communism.24 
>>
>>Reflecting something of a shift in official policy,
>>the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for
>>Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when
>>tension and conflict between
>>Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing. 25
>>
>>A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in
>>spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would
>>nevertheless be a mistake to
>>assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in
>>Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the
>>anti-German agitation of international
>>Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish
>>state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the
>>world."26 "
>>
>>The proclamation
>>of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an
>>internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would
>>create for Germany a new
>>enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the
>>Near East."
>>
>>Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring
>>special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving
>>legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry."27 In
>>January 1939,
>>
>>Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned
>>in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation
>>of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it
>>"would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry." 28
>>
>>Hitler himself personally reviewed this entire issue in early 1938
>>and, in spite of his long-standing skepticism of Zionist ambitions and
>>misgivings that his policies might
>>contribute to the formation of a Jewish state, decided to support
>>Jewish migration to Palestine even more vigorously. The prospect of
>>ridding Germany of its Jews,
>>he concluded, outweighed the possible dangers. 29
>>
>>Meanwhile, the British government imposed ever more drastic
>>restrictions on Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937, 1938 and
>>1939. In response, the SS
>>security service concluded a secret alliance with the clandestine
>>Zionist agency Mossad le-Aliya Bet to smuggle Jews illegally into
>>Palestine. As a result of this intensive collaboration, several
>>convoys of ships succeeded in reaching
>>Palestine past British gunboats. Jewish migration, both legal and
>>illegal, from Germany
>>(including Austria) to Palestine increased dramatically in 1938 and
>>1939.
>>
>>Another 10,000 Jews were scheduled to depart in October 1939, but the
>>outbreak of war in September brought the effort to an end. All the
>>same, German authorities continued to promote indirect Jewish
>>emigration to Palestine during 1940 and 1941. 30
>>
>>Even as late as March 1942, at least one officially authorized Zionist
>>"kibbutz" training camp for potential emigrants continued to operate
>>in Hitler's Germany. 31
>>
>>The Transfer Agreement
>>
>>The centerpiece of German-Zionist cooperation during the Hitler era
>>was theTransfer Agreement, a pact that enabled tens of thousands of
>>German Jews to migrate
>>to Palestine with their wealth. The Agreement, also known as the
>>Ha'avara (Hebrew for "transfer"), was concluded in August 1933
>>following talks between German
>>officials and Chaim Arlosoroff, Political Secretary of the Jewish
>>Agency, the Palestine center of the World Zionist Organization. 32
>>
>>Through this unusual arrangement, each Jew bound for Palestine
>>deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to
>>purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps,
>>fertilizer, and so
>>forth, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the
>>Jewish-owned Ha'avara
>>company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the Jewish
>>emigrant upon his arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to
>>his deposit in Germany.
>>
>>German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha'avara, which was
>>supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which
>>Palestine oranges were
>>exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and
>>other goods. The Agreement thus served the Zionist aim of bringing
>>Jewish settlers and
>>development capital to Palestine, while simultaneously serving the
>>German goal of freeing the country of an unwanted alien group.
>>
>>Delegates at the 1933 Zionist Congress in Prague vigorously debated
>>the merits of the Agreement. Some feared that the pact would undermine
>>the international
>>Jewish economic boycott against Germany. But Zionist officials
>>reassured the Congress. Sam Cohen, a key figure behind the Ha'avara
>>arrangement, stressed that
>>the Agreement was not economically advantageous to Germany. Arthur
>>Ruppin, a Zionist Organization emigration specialist who had helped
>>negotiate the pact,
>>pointed out that "the Transfer Agreement in no way interfered with the
>>boycott movement, since no new currency will flow into Germany as a
>>result of the agreement. . . ." 33 The 1935 Zionist Congress, meeting
>>in Switzerland,
>>overwhelmingly endorsed the pact. In 1936, the Jewish Agency (the
>>Zionist "shadow
>>government" in Palestine) took over direct control of the Ha'avara,
>>which remained in effect until the Second World War forced its
>>abandonment.
>>
>>Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany's Consul
>>General in Jerusalem, Hans D_hle, for example, sharply criticized the
>>Agreement on several
>>occasions during 1937. He pointed out that it cost Germany the foreign
>>exchange that the products exported to Palestine through the pact
>>would bring if sold elsewhere. The Ha'avara monopoly sale of German
>>goods to Palestine through a
>>Jewish agency naturally angered German businessmen and Arabs there.
>>Official German support for Zionism could lead to a loss of German
>>markets throughout the Arab world. The British government also
>>resented the arrangement.34 
>>
>>A June 1937 German Foreign Office internal bulletin referred to the
>>"foreign exchange sacrifices" that resulted from the Ha'avara. 35
>>
>>A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry
>>reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: "There is no doubt that
>>the Ha'avara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the
>>very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided
>>not only the largest source of money
>>(from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants,
>>and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial
>>products essential for
>>development." The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was
>>the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most
>>desirable target country as
>>far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important
>>drawbacks pointed out by Consul D_hle and others. The Interior
>>Minister, it went on, had
>>concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the
>>advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. 36
>>
>>Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed
>>the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and
>>each time decided
>>to maintain the Ha'avara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from
>>Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks. 37
>>
>>The Reich Economics Ministry helped to organize another transfer
>>company, the International Trade and Investment Agency, or Intria,
>>through which Jews in
>>foreign countries could help German Jews emigrate to Palestine. Almost
>>$900,000 was eventually channeled through the Intria to German Jews in
>>Palestine.38
>>
>>Other European countries eager to encourage Jewish emigration
>>concluded agreements with the Zionists modeled after the Ha'avara. In
>>1937 Poland authorized the
>>Halifin (Hebrew for "exchange") transfer company. By late summer 1939,
>>Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Italy had signed similar
>>arrangements.
>>
>>The outbreak of war in September 1939, however, prevented large-scale
>>implementation of these agreements. 39
>>
>>Achievements of Ha'avara
>>
>>Between 1933 and 1941, some 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Palestine
>>through the Ha'avara and other German-Zionist arrangements, or about
>>ten percent of Germany's 1933 Jewish population. (These German Jews
>>made up about 15 percent
>>of Palestine's 1939 Jewish population.) Some Ha'avara emigrants
>>transferred considerable personal wealth from Germany to Palestine. As
>>Jewish historian Edwin Black has noted: "Many of these people,
>>especially in the late 1930s, were
>>allowed to transfer actual replicas of their homes and factories -
>>indeed rough replicas of their very existence."40
>>
>>The total amount transferred from Germany to Palestine through the
>>Ha'avara between August 1933 and the end of 1939 was 8.1 million
>>pounds or 139.57 million
>>German marks (then equivalent to more than $40 million). This amount
>>included 33.9 million German marks ($13.8 million) provided by the
>>Reichsbank in connection with the Agreement.41
>>
>>Historian Black has estimated that an additional $70 million may have
>>flowed into Palestine through corollary German commercial agreements
>>and special international banking transactions. The German funds had a
>>major impact on a
>>country as underdeveloped as Palestine was in the 1930s, he pointed
>>out.
>>
>>Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from
>>Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile
>>firm. The influx of Ha'avara goods
>>and capital, concluded Black, "produced an economic explosion in
>>Jewish Palestine" and was "an indispensable factor in the creation of
>>the State of Israel."42
>>
>>The Ha'avara agreement greatly contributed to Jewish development in
>>Palestine and thus, indirectly, to the foundation of the Israeli
>>state. A January 1939 German
>>Foreign Office circular bulletin reported, with some misgiving, that
>>"the transfer of Jewish property out of Germany [through the Ha'avara
>>agreement] contributed to
>>no small extent to the building of a Jewish state in Palestine."43
>>
>>Former officials of the Ha'avara company in Palestine confirmed this
>>view in a detailed study of the Transfer Agreement published in 1972:
>>"The economic activity
>>made possible by the influx German capital and the Haavara transfers
>>to the private and public sectors were of greatest importance for the
>>country's development.
>>
>>Many new industries and commercial enterprises were established in
>>Jewish Palestine, and numerous companies that are enormously important
>>even today in the
>>economy of the State of Israel owe their existence to the Haavara."44 
>>
>>Dr.Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the
>>1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara
>>immigrants "decisively
>>contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational
>>development of Palestine's Jewish community.45
>>
>>The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of
>>cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism.
>>Through this pact, Hitler's Third
>>Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support
>>Jewish development in Palestine.
>>
>>Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
>>
>>In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization
>>submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a
>>military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made
>>by the radical underground "Fighters for
>>the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its
>>leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical
>>nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over
>>the group's attitude toward Britain, which
>>had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern
>>regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
>>
>>This remarkable Zionist proposal "for the solution of the Jewish
>>question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in
>>the war on the side of
>>Germany" is worth quoting at some length:46
>>
>>In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National
>>Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe
>>requires as  a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question
>>by evacuation.("Jew-free Europe")
>>
>>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>>solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally
>>achieved  is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the
>>Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state
>>in its historical boundaries.
>>
>>The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the
>>Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in
>>Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this
>>way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.
>>
>>The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich
>>government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany
>>and the  Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>>>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
>>
>>



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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote:

>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand  wrote:
>>
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>"All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren't
>>>counted by any census - simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn't present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know."
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died--e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote: 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!



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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments. 
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
>>
>>(...)
>>
>>.............................................
>>                                                                          
>>                                                                          
>>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com



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On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:53:55 GMT, sabatini@nozhid.org wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>Orest Slepokura  wrote:

>>>>>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...

>>>Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>>>The Kastner Case
>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving
>>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money
>>>and
>>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the
>>>Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>>certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>>>number is
>>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner
>>>went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>>>little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>>published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I
>>>wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>>>was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>>>keep
>>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not
>>>too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>>he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You
>>>can
>>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>>deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of 
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>>Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>>Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>>Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>>these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>>who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>>to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>>Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>>as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>>dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>>fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>>Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>>catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>>great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>>would
>>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>>the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>>into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>>promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>>Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>>Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>>and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>>and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>>from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>>only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>>to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>>June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new
>>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of
>>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>>the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>>remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>>minute
>>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>>truth -
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>>the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>>good
>>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>>personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>>contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>>faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's
>>>affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>>war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his
>>>statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>>as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>>libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>>>What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>>in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the 
>>>name 
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court -
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>>found
>>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>>Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>>prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>>end of
>>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>>>vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>>any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>>Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>>the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>>properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>>from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>>Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>>say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>>Jews
>>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>>plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>>is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>>its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>>his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>>disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>>blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>>>with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>>District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>>his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>>at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>>from a
>>>moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>>one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>>Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>>hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>>warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>>Hungary
>>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>>many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>>>knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>>a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>>here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an
>>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>>of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>>few -
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>>collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>>though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>>decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>>the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>>able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>>etc. -
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>>certainty
>>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>>rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>>he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>>of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>>a
>>>claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>>come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>>individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>>patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>>operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>>this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>>to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>>the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>>and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>>the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>>activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>>>of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>>which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>>>base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>>is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>>retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>                         
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>>been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>>collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>>remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>>an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>>what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>>trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the 
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>>in
>>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>>1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings
>>>were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was
>>>delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>>>And don't forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>gangster!!!



>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin's participation in war crimes
>>>>
>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>
>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>
>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook "to
>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts." A Signatory may
>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world's
>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States' legal obligations to do so.
>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>
>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>
>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>1977, as 'grave breaches', the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>
>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>
>>>>"1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately." The order was signed "Yitzhak
>>>>R[abin]."
>>>>
>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>"The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949" by Israeli
>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo's book "The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland", Quartet Books,
>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>
>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin's implication in
>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin's orders. As a prelude to
>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile'. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>planned 'transfer' policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>master plan of "ethnical cleansing".
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as 'war crimes'.
>>>>
>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>                            of their Inhabitants
>>>>
>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>prohibit "at any time and in any place whatsoever....collective
>>>>punishments". It seems that the destruction of these villages - every
>>>>single house in them - constitutes 'collective punishment' within the
>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>    3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>                                 Youngsters
>>>>
>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by "force, might,
>>>>beatings". More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>
>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha'aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin's role in these
>>>>policies.
>>>>
>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) "inhuman treatment....wilfully
>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health". Protocol I
>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>the acts which remain "prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:": "Violence to
>>>>the....physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular....(iii)
>>>>corporal punishment."
>>>>
>>>>    4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>                       Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin's war:
>>>>"Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>southern Lebanon. (...) Rabin's War - Operation Accountability - has killed
>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>Beirut. (...) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(...) About
>>>>80 villages have been hit.". According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the "majority of casualties were
>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>around 100,000."
>>>>
>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was "expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon 'uninhabitable' and to create a
>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel's will (...)"
>>>>
>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), "some 400,000
>>>>people - mainly Shi'ite Muslims - fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves".
>>>>
>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>specifies as a 'grave breach' (war crime) "making the civilian population
>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack" as well as "launching an
>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects". Further details are provided
>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a 'grave breach' of international
>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>
>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>
>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>
>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>their country's sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>
>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>
>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>
>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>
>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>
>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Rabin's Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>
>>>>As to Mr. Rabin's personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>and 1967).
>>>>
>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>"to break the bones" of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by "force, might, beatings" and
>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>
>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel's Prime
>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin's primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>
>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>
>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>described as 'war crimes' as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of 'war crimes', as committed in World
>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>the "deportation ... for any ... purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>occupied territory" as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>"deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>population....when such acts are done....in connection with any crime
>>>>against peace or any war crime", as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>process of law to determine a defendant's culpability and punishment). The
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes 'corporal punishment', although not as
>>>>a 'grave breach'. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>
>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the 'grave
>>>>breaches' (war crimes), if such attacks were committed "wilfully, in
>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>serious injury to body or health".
>>>>
>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>
>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>then, state:
>>>>
>>>>"The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law"
>>>>(Principle III. "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him".
>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>
>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>such reservations.
>>>>
>>>>Conclusion
>>>>
>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>
>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived - legally - by
>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today's world, it
>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>Human rights' and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin's
>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>found.
>>>
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled - as Fertiliser



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:39:41 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:06:52 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." 
>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> North Shore News
>>>>> February 2, 1997
>>>>> 
>>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>>> Doug Collins
>>>>> 
>>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>>> wonder why?
>>>
>>>	Actually Riggs 'study' was reported in the L.A.Times and in some
>>>Texas newspapers were he is from. To set and maintain the record, here
>>>is a report on the L.A.Times version posted to alt.revisionism at the
>>>time. The reason it found it's way into so many papers is because the
>>>subject is supposed to portray the Jews as awesome military heroes.
>>>Rigg's study is more the result of fantasy than academic research. It
>>>was said he might write a book or something, but then don't count on
>>>it. It ain't happened yet. It would expose his stuff to verification
>>>and he (they) are relying on people holding the notions just from what
>>>was in the newspapers.
>>>
>>>	Intitially posted under "Super Jews in Hitler's Army".
>>>
>>>	              "The Jews in Hitler's Military"
>>>
>>>                       L.A.Times, Dec. 24, 1996
>>>
>>>"A young American is 
>>>documenting the stories 
>>>of Hundreds of German 
>>>veterans of Jewish descent. 
>>>Many lost family to the 
>>>Holocaust while serving the 
>>>Nazi regime."
>>>
>>>LONDON--"Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>mission, American Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no
>>>man's land of Holocaust history.
>>>	Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish descent ... who
>>>served ...during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million
>>>Jews. 
>>>	'Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the
>>>Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the military but at the same time
>>>exterminated their families.'
>>>	On a heady journey of personal and professional discovery, the 25
>>>year old Texan ... interviewed more than 300 of these veterans ...
>>>Passed along from one old soldier to another, he has crisscrossed
>>>Germany 4 times ...
>>>	Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1200
>>>of Hilter's soldiers including two field marshalls and 10 generals,
>>>men commanding up to 100,000, ..."
>>>
>>>[ That and the next line is the beginning of the real motive for the
>>>story and why it would find it's way into the L.A.Times, the Judeo
>>>supremacy publication. ]
>>>
>>>"In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the
>>>Knight's Cross, Germany's highest honor, he said."
>>>
>>>	"This fall, Rigg, Yale '96, arrived at England Cambridge
>>>University ... lugging his clothes ... documentation ... Jonathan
>>>Steinberg, Cambridge historian, read Rigg's files and hurried to find
>>>a safe place for them.
>>>
>>>[[ Here we have a Jewish holding to the papers as dear. This would
>>>indicate he thought they had something beneficial. ]]
>>> 
>>>	Along the way, Rigg, who is of German extraction and was raised
>>>as a Protestant, has discovered that he too has Jewish ancestry. Like
>>>many of the families he has visited, Rigg had distant relatives who
>>>were killed for being Jewish--and others who died fighting in battle
>>>for Nazi Germany."
>>>
>>>[ I would say if Rigg's was confronted with a demand to stand
>>>accountable to show his Jewish ancestry and to prove any events they
>>>lived through it would result in some real embarrassment. Its all too
>>>pat.
>>>
>>>One of the more obvious points of this article reveals the racial
>>>aspect of Judaism. ]
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>	The article being more than a half page long I will just cite the
>>>relevant parts that throw suspicion on the accounts, the racist
>>>connection and the reason it found it's way into the L.A.Times - to
>>>hype Jewish supremacy.
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>	"Many of the men Rigg meets cling to Nazi terminology, describing
>>>themselves as half Jewish, half German."
>>>
>>>[ Here we have the term "half Jewish" being designated "Nazi
>>>terminology" when in fact it is a term used by Jews themselves and has
>>>been referred to many times in medias and even movies. Not to mention
>>>it is used to designate the racial status of any one else, 'half
>>>Black', 'half Irish', etc.
>>>
>>>The article does not lead to any evidential conclusion that any of the
>>>Germans are half Jewish. It seems more like they would be quarter or
>>>even eighth Jewish. ]
>>>	   		
>>>	"One of his discoveries was a 1944 German document listing 77
>>>high ranking officers 'of mixed Jewish race or married to a Jew'. Two
>>>generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals and 23
>>>colonels."
>>>
>>>[ It doesn't say how many were of "Jewish race" or how many were those
>>>who were connected by marriage so we are to assume all of them. ]
>>>
>>>	"'I don't think it ever occurred to go to a general's personal
>>>file to see if he was Jewish', said Steinberg".
>>>
>>>[ Not bothering to consider the ones that were just married to a Jew.]
>>>
>>>
>>>	"... Hitler loathed Jews, but he also needed experienced
>>>commanders and fighters". 
>>>
>>>[ So under the circumstances, there just wasn't enough to draw from
>>>the measly German genetic stock for "experienced" "commanders" and
>>>"fighters". ]
>>>
>>>	"He (Rigg's) said there were at least a dozen exception lists
>>>approved by Hitler--naming ranking officials not only in the armed
>>>forces but in the civilian administration that worked with military.
>>>One German civilian of Jewish heritage ..."
>>>
>>>[ "One ,,,"  "German civilian" of "Jewish heritage"? ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"In interviews and research in Germany this month, Rigg found
>>>still more Wehrmacht officers of Jewish descent ..." 
>>>
>>>[ More "officers" of Jewish "decent".  Another thing that is evident
>>>in the article is glorifying Jewish descent as if it was the only
>>>descent of value to speak of. We can take note that the ones found on
>>>the list are "officers". ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"One Knight's Cross winner was reunited with his Jewish father in
>>>England ..."
>>>
>>>[ This is the first of three or four times the article mentions
>>>"Jewish father". No where does it mention a Jewish mother, which is a
>>>necessary technicality in the Jewish race to be rated a Jew. In fact
>>>the only name mentioned in the whole article as being high ranking is
>>>Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who had a Jewish father".]
>>>
>>>	"Rigg also brought to light to folklore surrounding the
>>>derring-do rescue ... Rigg has identified him as bayonet scarred,
>>>bemedaled, Maj. Ernst Bloch ... whose father was Jewish."
>>>
>>>[ The significance here of course is the "... derring-do ... Jewish
>>>father" connection.]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"About 100,000 Jews served in the German army in World War I, and
>>>about 12,000 of them were killed."
>>>
>>>	[ Now here would be very good place to start to look into Rigg's
>>>project. Here we have "100,000" Jews said to have served in the German
>>>army during World War I whereas Holocaust accounts have it that only
>>>300,000 Jews, all together, were in Germany prior to World War II.
>>>Considering the age, sex aspect of any particular people, we would
>>>have to recognize that if there were 100,000 German Jews fighting in
>>>WWII there would be at least a million in all. It is so typical with
>>>Holocaust/Jewish propaganda to have their facts and figures step all
>>>over each other. Whatever, this is a real blunder. ]
>>>
>>>	(The WWI) "...Veterans thought their service would protect them
>>>against the Nazi crackdown ... When the transports came ... Some even
>>>went to the gas chamber with their medals on."
>>>
>>>[ Okay, we see again we have a heroic lot here with "medals". How
>>>Rigg's came to find out how any of them went to the gas chambers, much
>>>less with their medals on should be very interesting. Especially since
>>>he says "some". If he had said 'one' this is something we could accept
>>>as being in the realm of a possibility, but with the "some", well too
>>>wayout. This is another one of those wacky yarns like all the rest of
>>>the Holocaust eyewitness testimonies, which we must assume would be
>>>the source for Rigg's blurt. 
>>>
>>>Since Holocaust accounts have the people were made to strip naked, we
>>>can muse over how the heroic Jews came to still have their medals on.
>>>
>>>How did Riggs come to get involved with the project? ]] 
>>>
>>>	"Rigg's quest began at Yale, when he started researching his
>>>family history in Germany. First he learned that his
>>>great-grandparents, who arrived as Protestants, had been born in
>>>Germany as Jews."
>>>
>>>[ Since then he has focused his identity on the two Jews from a
>>>hundred years ago, and nothing in between seems to matter. Is it fact?
>>>Who knows. ]
>>>
>>>	"Then one night in 1992, he went to see 'Europa, Europa', a film
>>>about a Jewish adolescent who hid out in the German army during World
>>>War II. After the movie, Rigg's struck a conversation with an elderly
>>>German Jew... and he listened until morning"
>>> 
>>>[ Now there we have a revealing particular of how he came to be
>>>involved. The old man stayed up all night? ] 
>>>	  
>>>	So far it seems Rigg's has not written a book on the subject or
>>>released any details of his story, so the world will have to wait
>>>before anyone can go over the routes of his research. And perhaps
>>>there may never be any. There are just to many problems to cover up
>>>with this latest bravado.
>>>
>>>	On top of it all the Judeo/Holocaust propaganda is further
>>>compromised when trying to fit all the talk about "Jewish", "field
>>>marshalls", "generals" and medal winners in with something like Daniel
>>>Goldhagen's book, 'Ordinary Germans, Hitler's Willing Executioners"
>>>which strives to show all the Germans, and especially high ranking
>>>military people knew about and willingly contributed to the
>>>exterminations of millions of Jews.
>>>     
>>>	It's funny how Holocaust accounts stampede all over themselves
>>>and all over each other.	
>>>
>>>	In another twist, this article and thus Rigg's, seem to strive to
>>>show and glorify Jews by claiming high position and heroic
>>>accomplishment in the very German machine the Holocaust story works so
>>>hard at portraying as evil.
>>>
>>>	Well, when it comes to selling Jewish supremacy, anything goes.
>>>
>>>	When looking at the picture of Rigg's, I can see blind ambition,
>>>the boy next door, and I think of that long talk he had into the wee
>>>hours of the morning with the German Jew.
>>>
>>>	If ever Rigg's does publish a paper with documentation to support
>>>his claims of the awesome heroics it will be subject to investigation.
>>>And, if he never does publish a paper for public scrutiny we can
>>>wonder about that. ]] 



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On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:05:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:38 -0600, freespeech1@mailexcite.com wrote:

>Zionism and the Third Reich

>Mark Weber

>Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the
>German
>port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name,
>"Tel Aviv," while a
>swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
>Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many
>years later a traveler
>aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical
>absurdity."1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a
>little-known chapter of history: The
>wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
>
>Common Aims
>
>Over the years, people in many different countries have wrestled with
>the "Jewish question": that is, what is the proper role of Jews in
>non-Jewish society? During
>the 1930s, Jewish Zionists and German National Socialists shared
>similar views on how to deal with this perplexing issue. They agreed
>that Jews and Germans were
>distinctly different nationalities, and that Jews did not belong in
>Germany.
>Jews living in the Reich were therefore to be regarded not as "Germans
>of the Jewish faith," but rather as members of a separate national
>community. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) also implied an obligation by
>Zionist Jews to resettle in Palestine, the
>"Jewish homeland." They could hardly regard themselves as sincere
>Zionists and simultaneously claim equal rights in Germany or any other
>"foreign" country.
>
>Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained
>that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely
>understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and
>attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize
>reality and live in a separate state of their own.
>
>"The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers,"
>he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it
>does not exist, it is brought
>in by arriving Jews. . . . I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which
>is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew,
>without hate or fear." The Jewish question, he maintained, is not
>social or religious. "It is a national
>question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international
>political issue. . . ."
>
>Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not
>merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
>Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered
>the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."
>
>
>Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of
>Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a
>detailed memorandum to the
>new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally
>offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." The
>first step, it suggested,
>had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences: 4
>
>Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition,
>which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in
>the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own
>tradition. Zionism
>recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend,
>symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear . . .
>
>Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people,
>which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its
>Christian and national
>character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the
>Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a
>sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping
>of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the
>liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community
>and collective responsibility . . .
>
>We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that
>can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question,
>take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will
>have to be dealt with by most European peoples . . .
>
>Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and
>sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial
>realities.
>
>Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals,
>because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining
>the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the
>cultural domain, we - having been brought up in the German language
>and German culture - can show an
> interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration
>and internal sympathy . . .
>
>For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the
>collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews,
>because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are
>involved but a real problem
>whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment
>especially the  German people . . .
>
>Boycott propaganda - such as is currently being carried on against
>Germany in many ways - is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants
>not to do battle but to convince and to build . . .
>
>We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will
>continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe
>disadvantages result  for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions
>for other peoples.
>
>The Federation's paper, the Jüdische Rundschau ("Jewish Review"),
>proclaimed the same message: "Zionism recognizes the existence of a
>Jewish problem and
>desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose
>Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro-
>or anti-Jewish, because, in its
>view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental
>problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested."5 A young
>Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz,
>who later settled in the United States and became head of the American
>Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden ("We Jews"), that
>the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant "Jewry for the
>Jews." He explained: "No
>subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new
>concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race." 6
>
>Active Collaboration
>
>On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and
>nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what
>each group believed was in its own
>national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously
>supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until
>1940-1941, when the Second
>World War prevented extensive collaboration.
>
>Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews,
>probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with
>considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about
>pulling up roots to begin a new
>life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews
>turned to Zionism
>during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished
>in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's
>bi-weekly Judische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books
>were published. "Zionist
>work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the
>Encyclopaedia Judaica
>notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its
>composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7
>
>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An
>internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging
>support for Zionism by the
>government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of
>Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish
>self-awareness. Jewish
>schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations - in
>short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and
>self-awareness - should be
>promoted, the paper recommended.8
>
>SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official
>Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess
>Zionist development there. Based
>on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of
>twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff
>that appeared in late 1934 under
>the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great
>admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish
>settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had
>produced a new kind of Jew. He
>praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the
>entire world.
>
>A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article,
>"pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the
>world: the Jewish
>question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one
>side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint
>SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von
>Mildenstein was promoted to head the
>Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to
>support Zionist migration and development more effectively. 9
>
>The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support
>for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be
>too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who
>have been lost to it for
>more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official
>goodwill, go with them."10
>
>Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: 11
>
>The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not
>on religion leads the German government to guarantee without
>reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government
>finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement
>within Jewry, the so-called
>Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the
>world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis,
>Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role
>in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.
>
>A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service
>from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing "strictly
>kosher food on its ships,
>under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate." 12
>
>With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to "reeducate"
>Germany's Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his
>1985 survey, The Third Reich
>and the Palestine Question: "Zionists were encouraged to take their
>message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on
>Palestine and generally to
>educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure
>to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans
>and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them." 13
>
>In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist
>Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation:
>"The Gestapo did everything in
>those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often
>received their help when we required anything from other authorities
>regarding preparations for emigration." 14
>
>At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag
>adopted the so-called "Nuremberg laws" that prohibited marriages and
>sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed
>the Jews an alien minority
>nationality. A few days later the Zionist Judische Rundschau
>editorially welcomed the new measures: 15
>
>Germany . . . is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress
>when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national
>minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is
>again possible to
>establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The
>new laws  give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life,
>its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own
>schools, its own theatre, and its
>own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all
>aspects of national life . . .
>
>Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for
>itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the
>Jewish minority:
>
>Jewry's process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and
>a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable
>relations   between the two nations.
>
>Georg Kareski, the head of both the "Revisionist" Zionist State
>Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the
>Berlin Jewish Community,
>declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end
>of 1935:  16
>
>For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural
>affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for
>living  together without conflict. . . . I have long supported such a
>separation,  provided it is founded on respect for the alien
>nationality. The Nuremberg Laws
>     . . . seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform
>entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect.
>. . . This interruption
>of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had
>been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish
>point of view, entirely welcome.
>
>Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S.
>Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish
>Congress, told   a New
>York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish
>faith, I am a Jew. . . . Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the
>Jewish people a race and we are a race." 17
>
>The Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard
>L_sener,
>expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a
>November 1935 issue of the
>official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: 18
>
>If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them
>were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely
>resolved  today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of
>opposition to
>the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the
>Zionists,  because they realize at once that these laws represent the
>only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation
>must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular
>nationhood.
>
>In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a
>network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout
>Germany where
>prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
>Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German
>flag, Jews were specifically
>guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national
>banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at
>the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. 19
>
>Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist
>underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid
>Haganah official Feivel
>Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help
>in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah
>was kept well informed
>about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin
>headquarters of the SS.20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included
>secret deliveries of German
>weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
>21
>
>In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of
>violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist
>organization to get back on its feet
>and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted
>supervision. 22
>
>Official Reservations
>
>German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party
>officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful
>Jewish communities in the
>United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their"
>governments and
>fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained
>implacably hostile
>towards National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority
>of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the
>Zionist "promised land," a
>sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the
>international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it
>would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign.
>German backing for Zionism was therefore
>limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British
>control, not a sovereign Jewish state. 23
>
>A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats
>in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not
>be able to absorb all
>Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power
>base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as
>a base for international Communism.24 
>
>Reflecting something of a shift in official policy,
>the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for
>Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when
>tension and conflict between
>Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing. 25
>
>A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in
>spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would
>nevertheless be a mistake to
>assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in
>Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the
>anti-German agitation of international
>Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish
>state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the
>world."26 "
>
>The proclamation
>of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an
>internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would
>create for Germany a new
>enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the
>Near East."
>
>Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring
>special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving
>legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry."27 In
>January 1939,
>
>Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned
>in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation
>of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it
>"would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry." 28
>
>Hitler himself personally reviewed this entire issue in early 1938
>and, in spite of his long-standing skepticism of Zionist ambitions and
>misgivings that his policies might
>contribute to the formation of a Jewish state, decided to support
>Jewish migration to Palestine even more vigorously. The prospect of
>ridding Germany of its Jews,
>he concluded, outweighed the possible dangers. 29
>
>Meanwhile, the British government imposed ever more drastic
>restrictions on Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937, 1938 and
>1939. In response, the SS
>security service concluded a secret alliance with the clandestine
>Zionist agency Mossad le-Aliya Bet to smuggle Jews illegally into
>Palestine. As a result of this intensive collaboration, several
>convoys of ships succeeded in reaching
>Palestine past British gunboats. Jewish migration, both legal and
>illegal, from Germany
>(including Austria) to Palestine increased dramatically in 1938 and
>1939.
>
>Another 10,000 Jews were scheduled to depart in October 1939, but the
>outbreak of war in September brought the effort to an end. All the
>same, German authorities continued to promote indirect Jewish
>emigration to Palestine during 1940 and 1941. 30
>
>Even as late as March 1942, at least one officially authorized Zionist
>"kibbutz" training camp for potential emigrants continued to operate
>in Hitler's Germany. 31
>
>The Transfer Agreement
>
>The centerpiece of German-Zionist cooperation during the Hitler era
>was theTransfer Agreement, a pact that enabled tens of thousands of
>German Jews to migrate
>to Palestine with their wealth. The Agreement, also known as the
>Ha'avara (Hebrew for "transfer"), was concluded in August 1933
>following talks between German
>officials and Chaim Arlosoroff, Political Secretary of the Jewish
>Agency, the Palestine center of the World Zionist Organization. 32
>
>Through this unusual arrangement, each Jew bound for Palestine
>deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to
>purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps,
>fertilizer, and so
>forth, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the
>Jewish-owned Ha'avara
>company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the Jewish
>emigrant upon his arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to
>his deposit in Germany.
>
>German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha'avara, which was
>supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which
>Palestine oranges were
>exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and
>other goods. The Agreement thus served the Zionist aim of bringing
>Jewish settlers and
>development capital to Palestine, while simultaneously serving the
>German goal of freeing the country of an unwanted alien group.
>
>Delegates at the 1933 Zionist Congress in Prague vigorously debated
>the merits of the Agreement. Some feared that the pact would undermine
>the international
>Jewish economic boycott against Germany. But Zionist officials
>reassured the Congress. Sam Cohen, a key figure behind the Ha'avara
>arrangement, stressed that
>the Agreement was not economically advantageous to Germany. Arthur
>Ruppin, a Zionist Organization emigration specialist who had helped
>negotiate the pact,
>pointed out that "the Transfer Agreement in no way interfered with the
>boycott movement, since no new currency will flow into Germany as a
>result of the agreement. . . ." 33 The 1935 Zionist Congress, meeting
>in Switzerland,
>overwhelmingly endorsed the pact. In 1936, the Jewish Agency (the
>Zionist "shadow
>government" in Palestine) took over direct control of the Ha'avara,
>which remained in effect until the Second World War forced its
>abandonment.
>
>Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany's Consul
>General in Jerusalem, Hans D_hle, for example, sharply criticized the
>Agreement on several
>occasions during 1937. He pointed out that it cost Germany the foreign
>exchange that the products exported to Palestine through the pact
>would bring if sold elsewhere. The Ha'avara monopoly sale of German
>goods to Palestine through a
>Jewish agency naturally angered German businessmen and Arabs there.
>Official German support for Zionism could lead to a loss of German
>markets throughout the Arab world. The British government also
>resented the arrangement.34 
>
>A June 1937 German Foreign Office internal bulletin referred to the
>"foreign exchange sacrifices" that resulted from the Ha'avara. 35
>
>A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry
>reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: "There is no doubt that
>the Ha'avara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the
>very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided
>not only the largest source of money
>(from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants,
>and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial
>products essential for
>development." The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was
>the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most
>desirable target country as
>far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important
>drawbacks pointed out by Consul D_hle and others. The Interior
>Minister, it went on, had
>concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the
>advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. 36
>
>Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed
>the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and
>each time decided
>to maintain the Ha'avara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from
>Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks. 37
>
>The Reich Economics Ministry helped to organize another transfer
>company, the International Trade and Investment Agency, or Intria,
>through which Jews in
>foreign countries could help German Jews emigrate to Palestine. Almost
>$900,000 was eventually channeled through the Intria to German Jews in
>Palestine.38
>
>Other European countries eager to encourage Jewish emigration
>concluded agreements with the Zionists modeled after the Ha'avara. In
>1937 Poland authorized the
>Halifin (Hebrew for "exchange") transfer company. By late summer 1939,
>Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Italy had signed similar
>arrangements.
>
>The outbreak of war in September 1939, however, prevented large-scale
>implementation of these agreements. 39
>
>Achievements of Ha'avara
>
>Between 1933 and 1941, some 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Palestine
>through the Ha'avara and other German-Zionist arrangements, or about
>ten percent of Germany's 1933 Jewish population. (These German Jews
>made up about 15 percent
>of Palestine's 1939 Jewish population.) Some Ha'avara emigrants
>transferred considerable personal wealth from Germany to Palestine. As
>Jewish historian Edwin Black has noted: "Many of these people,
>especially in the late 1930s, were
>allowed to transfer actual replicas of their homes and factories -
>indeed rough replicas of their very existence."40
>
>The total amount transferred from Germany to Palestine through the
>Ha'avara between August 1933 and the end of 1939 was 8.1 million
>pounds or 139.57 million
>German marks (then equivalent to more than $40 million). This amount
>included 33.9 million German marks ($13.8 million) provided by the
>Reichsbank in connection with the Agreement.41
>
>Historian Black has estimated that an additional $70 million may have
>flowed into Palestine through corollary German commercial agreements
>and special international banking transactions. The German funds had a
>major impact on a
>country as underdeveloped as Palestine was in the 1930s, he pointed
>out.
>
>Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from
>Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile
>firm. The influx of Ha'avara goods
>and capital, concluded Black, "produced an economic explosion in
>Jewish Palestine" and was "an indispensable factor in the creation of
>the State of Israel."42
>
>The Ha'avara agreement greatly contributed to Jewish development in
>Palestine and thus, indirectly, to the foundation of the Israeli
>state. A January 1939 German
>Foreign Office circular bulletin reported, with some misgiving, that
>"the transfer of Jewish property out of Germany [through the Ha'avara
>agreement] contributed to
>no small extent to the building of a Jewish state in Palestine."43
>
>Former officials of the Ha'avara company in Palestine confirmed this
>view in a detailed study of the Transfer Agreement published in 1972:
>"The economic activity
>made possible by the influx German capital and the Haavara transfers
>to the private and public sectors were of greatest importance for the
>country's development.
>
>Many new industries and commercial enterprises were established in
>Jewish Palestine, and numerous companies that are enormously important
>even today in the
>economy of the State of Israel owe their existence to the Haavara."44 
>
>Dr.Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the
>1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara
>immigrants "decisively
>contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational
>development of Palestine's Jewish community.45
>
>The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of
>cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism.
>Through this pact, Hitler's Third
>Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support
>Jewish development in Palestine.
>
>Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
>
>In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization
>submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a
>military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made
>by the radical underground "Fighters for
>the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its
>leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical
>nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over
>the group's attitude toward Britain, which
>had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern
>regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
>
>This remarkable Zionist proposal "for the solution of the Jewish
>question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in
>the war on the side of
>Germany" is worth quoting at some length:46
>
>In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National
>Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe
>requires as  a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question
>by evacuation.("Jew-free Europe")
>
>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally
>achieved  is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the
>Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state
>in its historical boundaries.
>
>The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the
>Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in
>Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this
>way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.
>
>The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich
>government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany
>and the  Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:
>
>
>
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:

>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998

>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:19:05 GMT, elieK@nazikor.nizkook.org wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:05:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:38 -0600, freespeech1@mailexcite.com wrote:

>>Zionism and the Third Reich

>>Mark Weber

>>Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the
>>German
>>port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name,
>>"Tel Aviv," while a
>>swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
>>Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many
>>years later a traveler
>>aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical
>>absurdity."1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a
>>little-known chapter of history: The
>>wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
>>
>>Common Aims
>>
>>Over the years, people in many different countries have wrestled with
>>the "Jewish question": that is, what is the proper role of Jews in
>>non-Jewish society? During
>>the 1930s, Jewish Zionists and German National Socialists shared
>>similar views on how to deal with this perplexing issue. They agreed
>>that Jews and Germans were
>>distinctly different nationalities, and that Jews did not belong in
>>Germany.
>>Jews living in the Reich were therefore to be regarded not as "Germans
>>of the Jewish faith," but rather as members of a separate national
>>community. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) also implied an obligation by
>>Zionist Jews to resettle in Palestine, the
>>"Jewish homeland." They could hardly regard themselves as sincere
>>Zionists and simultaneously claim equal rights in Germany or any other
>>"foreign" country.
>>
>>Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained
>>that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely
>>understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and
>>attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize
>>reality and live in a separate state of their own.
>>
>>"The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers,"
>>he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it
>>does not exist, it is brought
>>in by arriving Jews. . . . I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which
>>is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew,
>>without hate or fear." The Jewish question, he maintained, is not
>>social or religious. "It is a national
>>question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international
>>political issue. . . ."
>>
>>Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not
>>merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
>>Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered
>>the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."
>>
>>
>>Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of
>>Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a
>>detailed memorandum to the
>>new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally
>>offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." The
>>first step, it suggested,
>>had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences: 4
>>
>>Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition,
>>which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in
>>the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own
>>tradition. Zionism
>>recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend,
>>symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear . . .
>>
>>Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people,
>>which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its
>>Christian and national
>>character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the
>>Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a
>>sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping
>>of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the
>>liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community
>>and collective responsibility . . .
>>
>>We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that
>>can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question,
>>take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will
>>have to be dealt with by most European peoples . . .
>>
>>Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and
>>sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial
>>realities.
>>
>>Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals,
>>because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining
>>the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the
>>cultural domain, we - having been brought up in the German language
>>and German culture - can show an
>> interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration
>>and internal sympathy . . .
>>
>>For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the
>>collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews,
>>because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are
>>involved but a real problem
>>whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment
>>especially the  German people . . .
>>
>>Boycott propaganda - such as is currently being carried on against
>>Germany in many ways - is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants
>>not to do battle but to convince and to build . . .
>>
>>We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will
>>continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe
>>disadvantages result  for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions
>>for other peoples.
>>
>>The Federation's paper, the Jüdische Rundschau ("Jewish Review"),
>>proclaimed the same message: "Zionism recognizes the existence of a
>>Jewish problem and
>>desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose
>>Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro-
>>or anti-Jewish, because, in its
>>view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental
>>problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested."5 A young
>>Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz,
>>who later settled in the United States and became head of the American
>>Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden ("We Jews"), that
>>the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant "Jewry for the
>>Jews." He explained: "No
>>subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new
>>concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race." 6
>>
>>Active Collaboration
>>
>>On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and
>>nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what
>>each group believed was in its own
>>national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously
>>supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until
>>1940-1941, when the Second
>>World War prevented extensive collaboration.
>>
>>Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews,
>>probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with
>>considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about
>>pulling up roots to begin a new
>>life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews
>>turned to Zionism
>>during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished
>>in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's
>>bi-weekly Judische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books
>>were published. "Zionist
>>work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the
>>Encyclopaedia Judaica
>>notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its
>>composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7
>>
>>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An
>>internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging
>>support for Zionism by the
>>government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of
>>Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish
>>self-awareness. Jewish
>>schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations - in
>>short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and
>>self-awareness - should be
>>promoted, the paper recommended.8
>>
>>SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official
>>Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess
>>Zionist development there. Based
>>on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of
>>twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff
>>that appeared in late 1934 under
>>the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great
>>admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish
>>settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had
>>produced a new kind of Jew. He
>>praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the
>>entire world.
>>
>>A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article,
>>"pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the
>>world: the Jewish
>>question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one
>>side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint
>>SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von
>>Mildenstein was promoted to head the
>>Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to
>>support Zionist migration and development more effectively. 9
>>
>>The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support
>>for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be
>>too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who
>>have been lost to it for
>>more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official
>>goodwill, go with them."10
>>
>>Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: 11
>>
>>The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not
>>on religion leads the German government to guarantee without
>>reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government
>>finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement
>>within Jewry, the so-called
>>Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the
>>world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis,
>>Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role
>>in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.
>>
>>A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service
>>from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing "strictly
>>kosher food on its ships,
>>under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate." 12
>>
>>With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to "reeducate"
>>Germany's Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his
>>1985 survey, The Third Reich
>>and the Palestine Question: "Zionists were encouraged to take their
>>message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on
>>Palestine and generally to
>>educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure
>>to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans
>>and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them." 13
>>
>>In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist
>>Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation:
>>"The Gestapo did everything in
>>those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often
>>received their help when we required anything from other authorities
>>regarding preparations for emigration." 14
>>
>>At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag
>>adopted the so-called "Nuremberg laws" that prohibited marriages and
>>sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed
>>the Jews an alien minority
>>nationality. A few days later the Zionist Judische Rundschau
>>editorially welcomed the new measures: 15
>>
>>Germany . . . is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress
>>when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national
>>minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is
>>again possible to
>>establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The
>>new laws  give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life,
>>its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own
>>schools, its own theatre, and its
>>own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all
>>aspects of national life . . .
>>
>>Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for
>>itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the
>>Jewish minority:
>>
>>Jewry's process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and
>>a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable
>>relations   between the two nations.
>>
>>Georg Kareski, the head of both the "Revisionist" Zionist State
>>Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the
>>Berlin Jewish Community,
>>declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end
>>of 1935:  16
>>
>>For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural
>>affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for
>>living  together without conflict. . . . I have long supported such a
>>separation,  provided it is founded on respect for the alien
>>nationality. The Nuremberg Laws
>>     . . . seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform
>>entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect.
>>. . . This interruption
>>of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had
>>been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish
>>point of view, entirely welcome.
>>
>>Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S.
>>Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish
>>Congress, told   a New
>>York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish
>>faith, I am a Jew. . . . Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the
>>Jewish people a race and we are a race." 17
>>
>>The Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard
>>L_sener,
>>expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a
>>November 1935 issue of the
>>official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: 18
>>
>>If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them
>>were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely
>>resolved  today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of
>>opposition to
>>the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the
>>Zionists,  because they realize at once that these laws represent the
>>only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation
>>must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular
>>nationhood.
>>
>>In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a
>>network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout
>>Germany where
>>prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
>>Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German
>>flag, Jews were specifically
>>guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national
>>banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at
>>the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. 19
>>
>>Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist
>>underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid
>>Haganah official Feivel
>>Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help
>>in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah
>>was kept well informed
>>about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin
>>headquarters of the SS.20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included
>>secret deliveries of German
>>weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
>>21
>>
>>In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of
>>violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist
>>organization to get back on its feet
>>and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted
>>supervision. 22
>>
>>Official Reservations
>>
>>German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party
>>officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful
>>Jewish communities in the
>>United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their"
>>governments and
>>fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained
>>implacably hostile
>>towards National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority
>>of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the
>>Zionist "promised land," a
>>sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the
>>international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it
>>would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign.
>>German backing for Zionism was therefore
>>limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British
>>control, not a sovereign Jewish state. 23
>>
>>A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats
>>in June 1937, would not be in Germany's interest because it would not
>>be able to absorb all
>>Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power
>>base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as
>>a base for international Communism.24 
>>
>>Reflecting something of a shift in official policy,
>>the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for
>>Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when
>>tension and conflict between
>>Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing. 25
>>
>>A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in
>>spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, "it would
>>nevertheless be a mistake to
>>assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in
>>Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the
>>anti-German agitation of international
>>Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish
>>state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the
>>world."26 "
>>
>>The proclamation
>>of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine," warned an
>>internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, "would
>>create for Germany a new
>>enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the
>>Near East."
>>
>>Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state "would work to bring
>>special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving
>>legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry."27 In
>>January 1939,
>>
>>Hitler's new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned
>>in another circular bulletin that "Germany must regard the formation
>>of a Jewish state as dangerous" because it
>>"would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry." 28
>>
>>Hitler himself personally reviewed this entire issue in early 1938
>>and, in spite of his long-standing skepticism of Zionist ambitions and
>>misgivings that his policies might
>>contribute to the formation of a Jewish state, decided to support
>>Jewish migration to Palestine even more vigorously. The prospect of
>>ridding Germany of its Jews,
>>he concluded, outweighed the possible dangers. 29
>>
>>Meanwhile, the British government imposed ever more drastic
>>restrictions on Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937, 1938 and
>>1939. In response, the SS
>>security service concluded a secret alliance with the clandestine
>>Zionist agency Mossad le-Aliya Bet to smuggle Jews illegally into
>>Palestine. As a result of this intensive collaboration, several
>>convoys of ships succeeded in reaching
>>Palestine past British gunboats. Jewish migration, both legal and
>>illegal, from Germany
>>(including Austria) to Palestine increased dramatically in 1938 and
>>1939.
>>
>>Another 10,000 Jews were scheduled to depart in October 1939, but the
>>outbreak of war in September brought the effort to an end. All the
>>same, German authorities continued to promote indirect Jewish
>>emigration to Palestine during 1940 and 1941. 30
>>
>>Even as late as March 1942, at least one officially authorized Zionist
>>"kibbutz" training camp for potential emigrants continued to operate
>>in Hitler's Germany. 31
>>
>>The Transfer Agreement
>>
>>The centerpiece of German-Zionist cooperation during the Hitler era
>>was theTransfer Agreement, a pact that enabled tens of thousands of
>>German Jews to migrate
>>to Palestine with their wealth. The Agreement, also known as the
>>Ha'avara (Hebrew for "transfer"), was concluded in August 1933
>>following talks between German
>>officials and Chaim Arlosoroff, Political Secretary of the Jewish
>>Agency, the Palestine center of the World Zionist Organization. 32
>>
>>Through this unusual arrangement, each Jew bound for Palestine
>>deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to
>>purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps,
>>fertilizer, and so
>>forth, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the
>>Jewish-owned Ha'avara
>>company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the Jewish
>>emigrant upon his arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to
>>his deposit in Germany.
>>
>>German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha'avara, which was
>>supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which
>>Palestine oranges were
>>exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and
>>other goods. The Agreement thus served the Zionist aim of bringing
>>Jewish settlers and
>>development capital to Palestine, while simultaneously serving the
>>German goal of freeing the country of an unwanted alien group.
>>
>>Delegates at the 1933 Zionist Congress in Prague vigorously debated
>>the merits of the Agreement. Some feared that the pact would undermine
>>the international
>>Jewish economic boycott against Germany. But Zionist officials
>>reassured the Congress. Sam Cohen, a key figure behind the Ha'avara
>>arrangement, stressed that
>>the Agreement was not economically advantageous to Germany. Arthur
>>Ruppin, a Zionist Organization emigration specialist who had helped
>>negotiate the pact,
>>pointed out that "the Transfer Agreement in no way interfered with the
>>boycott movement, since no new currency will flow into Germany as a
>>result of the agreement. . . ." 33 The 1935 Zionist Congress, meeting
>>in Switzerland,
>>overwhelmingly endorsed the pact. In 1936, the Jewish Agency (the
>>Zionist "shadow
>>government" in Palestine) took over direct control of the Ha'avara,
>>which remained in effect until the Second World War forced its
>>abandonment.
>>
>>Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany's Consul
>>General in Jerusalem, Hans D_hle, for example, sharply criticized the
>>Agreement on several
>>occasions during 1937. He pointed out that it cost Germany the foreign
>>exchange that the products exported to Palestine through the pact
>>would bring if sold elsewhere. The Ha'avara monopoly sale of German
>>goods to Palestine through a
>>Jewish agency naturally angered German businessmen and Arabs there.
>>Official German support for Zionism could lead to a loss of German
>>markets throughout the Arab world. The British government also
>>resented the arrangement.34 
>>
>>A June 1937 German Foreign Office internal bulletin referred to the
>>"foreign exchange sacrifices" that resulted from the Ha'avara. 35
>>
>>A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry
>>reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: "There is no doubt that
>>the Ha'avara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the
>>very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided
>>not only the largest source of money
>>(from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants,
>>and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial
>>products essential for
>>development." The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was
>>the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most
>>desirable target country as
>>far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important
>>drawbacks pointed out by Consul D_hle and others. The Interior
>>Minister, it went on, had
>>concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the
>>advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. 36
>>
>>Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed
>>the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and
>>each time decided
>>to maintain the Ha'avara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from
>>Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks. 37
>>
>>The Reich Economics Ministry helped to organize another transfer
>>company, the International Trade and Investment Agency, or Intria,
>>through which Jews in
>>foreign countries could help German Jews emigrate to Palestine. Almost
>>$900,000 was eventually channeled through the Intria to German Jews in
>>Palestine.38
>>
>>Other European countries eager to encourage Jewish emigration
>>concluded agreements with the Zionists modeled after the Ha'avara. In
>>1937 Poland authorized the
>>Halifin (Hebrew for "exchange") transfer company. By late summer 1939,
>>Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Italy had signed similar
>>arrangements.
>>
>>The outbreak of war in September 1939, however, prevented large-scale
>>implementation of these agreements. 39
>>
>>Achievements of Ha'avara
>>
>>Between 1933 and 1941, some 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Palestine
>>through the Ha'avara and other German-Zionist arrangements, or about
>>ten percent of Germany's 1933 Jewish population. (These German Jews
>>made up about 15 percent
>>of Palestine's 1939 Jewish population.) Some Ha'avara emigrants
>>transferred considerable personal wealth from Germany to Palestine. As
>>Jewish historian Edwin Black has noted: "Many of these people,
>>especially in the late 1930s, were
>>allowed to transfer actual replicas of their homes and factories -
>>indeed rough replicas of their very existence."40
>>
>>The total amount transferred from Germany to Palestine through the
>>Ha'avara between August 1933 and the end of 1939 was 8.1 million
>>pounds or 139.57 million
>>German marks (then equivalent to more than $40 million). This amount
>>included 33.9 million German marks ($13.8 million) provided by the
>>Reichsbank in connection with the Agreement.41
>>
>>Historian Black has estimated that an additional $70 million may have
>>flowed into Palestine through corollary German commercial agreements
>>and special international banking transactions. The German funds had a
>>major impact on a
>>country as underdeveloped as Palestine was in the 1930s, he pointed
>>out.
>>
>>Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from
>>Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile
>>firm. The influx of Ha'avara goods
>>and capital, concluded Black, "produced an economic explosion in
>>Jewish Palestine" and was "an indispensable factor in the creation of
>>the State of Israel."42
>>
>>The Ha'avara agreement greatly contributed to Jewish development in
>>Palestine and thus, indirectly, to the foundation of the Israeli
>>state. A January 1939 German
>>Foreign Office circular bulletin reported, with some misgiving, that
>>"the transfer of Jewish property out of Germany [through the Ha'avara
>>agreement] contributed to
>>no small extent to the building of a Jewish state in Palestine."43
>>
>>Former officials of the Ha'avara company in Palestine confirmed this
>>view in a detailed study of the Transfer Agreement published in 1972:
>>"The economic activity
>>made possible by the influx German capital and the Haavara transfers
>>to the private and public sectors were of greatest importance for the
>>country's development.
>>
>>Many new industries and commercial enterprises were established in
>>Jewish Palestine, and numerous companies that are enormously important
>>even today in the
>>economy of the State of Israel owe their existence to the Haavara."44 
>>
>>Dr.Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the
>>1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara
>>immigrants "decisively
>>contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational
>>development of Palestine's Jewish community.45
>>
>>The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of
>>cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism.
>>Through this pact, Hitler's Third
>>Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support
>>Jewish development in Palestine.
>>
>>Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
>>
>>In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization
>>submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a
>>military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made
>>by the radical underground "Fighters for
>>the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its
>>leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical
>>nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over
>>the group's attitude toward Britain, which
>>had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern
>>regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
>>
>>This remarkable Zionist proposal "for the solution of the Jewish
>>question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in
>>the war on the side of
>>Germany" is worth quoting at some length:46
>>
>>In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National
>>Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe
>>requires as  a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question
>>by evacuation.("Jew-free Europe")
>>
>>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>>solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally
>>achieved  is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the
>>Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state
>>in its historical boundaries.
>>
>>The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the
>>Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in
>>Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this
>>way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.
>>
>>The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich
>>government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany
>>and the  Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:
>>
>>
>>
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote:

>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand  wrote:
>>
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>"All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren't
>>>counted by any census - simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn't present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know."
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died--e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote: 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!



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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments. 
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
>>
>>(...)
>>
>>.............................................
>>                                                                          
>>                                                                          
>>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com



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>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!

>>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>>> wrote:

>>>>dddddddddd
>>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>>-------------
>>>>md
>
>>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>>> > ============
>>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>>> > the genocide.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>>> > closed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>>> longer or die now!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -------------
>>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>>> >
>>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>>> other people.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Herman
>>>>> > ------------



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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>>>And don't forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>gangster!!!



>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin's participation in war crimes
>>>>
>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>
>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>
>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook "to
>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts." A Signatory may
>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world's
>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States' legal obligations to do so.
>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>
>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>
>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>1977, as 'grave breaches', the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>
>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>
>>>>"1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately." The order was signed "Yitzhak
>>>>R[abin]."
>>>>
>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>"The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949" by Israeli
>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo's book "The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland", Quartet Books,
>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>
>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin's implication in
>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin's orders. As a prelude to
>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile'. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>planned 'transfer' policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>master plan of "ethnical cleansing".
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as 'war crimes'.
>>>>
>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>                            of their Inhabitants
>>>>
>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>prohibit "at any time and in any place whatsoever....collective
>>>>punishments". It seems that the destruction of these villages - every
>>>>single house in them - constitutes 'collective punishment' within the
>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>    3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>                                 Youngsters
>>>>
>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by "force, might,
>>>>beatings". More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>
>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha'aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin's role in these
>>>>policies.
>>>>
>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) "inhuman treatment....wilfully
>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health". Protocol I
>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>the acts which remain "prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:": "Violence to
>>>>the....physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular....(iii)
>>>>corporal punishment."
>>>>
>>>>    4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>                       Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin's war:
>>>>"Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>southern Lebanon. (...) Rabin's War - Operation Accountability - has killed
>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>Beirut. (...) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(...) About
>>>>80 villages have been hit.". According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the "majority of casualties were
>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>around 100,000."
>>>>
>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was "expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon 'uninhabitable' and to create a
>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel's will (...)"
>>>>
>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), "some 400,000
>>>>people - mainly Shi'ite Muslims - fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves".
>>>>
>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>specifies as a 'grave breach' (war crime) "making the civilian population
>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack" as well as "launching an
>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects". Further details are provided
>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a 'grave breach' of international
>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>
>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>
>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>
>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>their country's sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>
>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>
>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>
>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>
>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>
>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Rabin's Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>
>>>>As to Mr. Rabin's personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>and 1967).
>>>>
>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>"to break the bones" of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by "force, might, beatings" and
>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>
>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel's Prime
>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin's primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>
>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>
>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>described as 'war crimes' as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of 'war crimes', as committed in World
>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>the "deportation ... for any ... purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>occupied territory" as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>"deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>population....when such acts are done....in connection with any crime
>>>>against peace or any war crime", as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>process of law to determine a defendant's culpability and punishment). The
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes 'corporal punishment', although not as
>>>>a 'grave breach'. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>
>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the 'grave
>>>>breaches' (war crimes), if such attacks were committed "wilfully, in
>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>serious injury to body or health".
>>>>
>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>
>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>then, state:
>>>>
>>>>"The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law"
>>>>(Principle III. "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him".
>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>
>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>such reservations.
>>>>
>>>>Conclusion
>>>>
>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>
>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived - legally - by
>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today's world, it
>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>Human rights' and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin's
>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>found.
>>>
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled - as Fertiliser



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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:01:41 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>>reconsidered by thinking readers.

>>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org

>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation


>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
>>	
>>>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
>>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>>>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
>>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
>>
>>>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>>Archives:         
>>        
>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>>         
>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type." 
>>       
>>         
>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
>>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>>Government."         
>>
>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>>>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>>Moisei Uritsky. 
>>
>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>>
>>>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." 
>>
>>>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>>United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>>
>>>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>>Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
>>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>>Gordon. 
>>
>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>>often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>>all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>>were Jews. 
>>
>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>>did not take kindly to it." 
>>
>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>>
>>>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>>4, 1919) 
>>	
>>>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>>
>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>himself:
>>
>>>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>>American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>>
>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>>Communist bosses.
>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People 
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>                http://www.natall.com  
>>>                http://www.natvan.com
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>     Roger's Page  http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>>>      Keep It White Because You Know It's Right!
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>-88-



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It seems many people must have cancelled using Canada Post recently!!!


Canada Post are now running an ad campaign, begging Canadians to
please send letters!!!!


Probably enough victims of THEFTS by CanPost managers told their
friends to BOYCOTT CANADA POST.


Wonder why APS are shilling for CanPost, instead of helping
international victims?? Could it be that APS only concerns itself with
US problems/

Apsken, why no comments from you??



On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:06:21 GMT, cohend@kammer.com wrote:

>>>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>>>mail this year, because of concern about theft??

>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>>>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>>>what
>>>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>>>Friedrich
>>>>>                                                                    
>>>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>>>
>>>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>>>
>>>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>>>



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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:22:24 GMT, ianl@nospam.curie.dialix.com.au (Ian
Lowery) wrote:

>
>Extending himself to his intellectual linit, 
>koyvay@nazikor.org wrote this:
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:22:24 GMT, ianl@nospam.curie.dialix.com.au (Ian
Lowery) wrote:

>
>Extending himself to his intellectual linit, 
>koyvay@nazikor.org wrote this:
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:53:10 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote:

>The news article has been recorded by the Seattle Times newspaper in
>the USA, as well as the Telegraph in Britain, as cited in prior
>articles.

>If you can read, then just visit their websites and see the original
>texts.


>On 26 Apr 1998 06:12:59 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>>Second: your reference material presumably written by certain 
>>Brian Rigg does not show during search of Internet libraries.
>>Provide detailed information on your "professor" and the "book",
>>including the publisher and the year.
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
>
>
>>>
Subject: Re: How Many Jews Really Died??
>>>From: omerta@casanostra.com
>>>Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 22:34 EDT
>>>On 25 Apr 1998 16:44:07 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>>>First of all, how do you know how many Jews served in the Reich military
>>>under
>>>>Hitler?
>
>>>Read the referenced articles detailed, from records of the Wehrmacht,
>>>researched by a British professor, among others, and well reported
>>>worldwide.
>
>>>Perhaps instead of making racial ad hominem comments, you may wish to
>>>comment directly on the points documented??
>
>>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>
>
>>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand  wrote:
>>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>
>>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>
>>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>>be.
>
>>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>
>>>>"All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren't
>>>>counted by any census - simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>>anybody who couldn't present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>>million? We will never know."
>
>>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>
>>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>
>>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>>persons died--e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>
>>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>
>>>sperati wrote: 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
> 
>>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>
>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>> North Shore News
>>>> February 2, 1997
>
>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>> Doug Collins
>
>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>
>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>
>>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>
>>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>
>>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>
>>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> more. The research is continuing.
>
>>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> alive.
>
>>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>
>>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>
>>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
> 
>>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> documents in the process.
> 
>>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>
>>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>
>>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>
>>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>
>>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
> 
>>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> was a Jew.
>
>>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>
>>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>
>>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
> 
>>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
> 
>>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>
>>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> plotting against Hitler.
>
>>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>
>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> wonder why?
>
>>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>



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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 04:59:04 GMT, chorney@pocciya.com wrote:

>Your article is but one of many recently revealing JEW perfidy!!!
>
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>>      people.
>>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>>                                            irgun43
>
>>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 
>
>>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>>> in Israel. 
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
> 
>
>
>
>On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 03:15:27 GMT, moshefriedman@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>***************************
>>Traffickers' New Cargo:
>>Naive Slavic Women
>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>***************************
>
>>Ramle, Israel—Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>tops of tables.
>>
>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>eyes.
>>
>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>you and bring you back.”
>>
>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>the robust global economy.
>>
>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>
>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>into Western Europe alone.
>>
>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>
>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>really happen at all.”
>>
>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>
>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>
>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>
>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>
>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>
>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>are ubiquitous.
>>
>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>
>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>
>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>the violence that awaits them.
>>
>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>captors.
>>
>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>
>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>
>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>
>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>> time.”
>>
>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>very light.”
>>
>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>against the sale of human beings.
>>
>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>
>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>
>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>
>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>cell phone.
>>
>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>Soviet Union.
>>
>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>
>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>is all we need.”
>>
>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>routine part of her job.
>>
>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>
>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>
>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>
>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>become a matter of survival.
>>
>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>
>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>find to save themselves.
>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>
>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>
>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>
>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>
>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>arrested.”
>>
>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>
>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>
>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>employed illegally there now.
>>
>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>
>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>
>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>which had enslaved them.”
>>
>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>
>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>
>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>now.”
>>
>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>
>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>
>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>factory for no wages?”
>>
>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>
>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>I could ever get at home.”
>>
>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>
>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>
>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>
>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>
>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>
>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>
>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>
>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>
>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>laughed heartily.
>>
>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>
>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>
>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>documents are taken to prison.
>>
>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>
>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>
>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>protection program.
>>
>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>
>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>
>>
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On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:44:10 GMT, kahaneken@nazikor.niz.org wrote:
>On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, nikst@glasnet.ru wrote:

>>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300

>>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998

>>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust

>>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>>Contributing Foreign Editor

>>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show 
>>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, 
>>the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly 
>>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be 
>>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>>
>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent
>>farmers - called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>>crush Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
>>
>> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from 
>>Moscow
>>- earlier versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian
>>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>>
>>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, 
>>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not 
>>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin 
>>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death - mass
>>starvation.
>>
>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>>confiscated from Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator
>>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>>
>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and 
>>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, 
>>cold and sickness.
>>
>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. 
>>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 
>>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were 
>>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped 
>>supervise the slaughter.
>>
>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, 
>>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant 
>>children.
>>
>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's
>>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>>The KGB's archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at 
>>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine 
>>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was 
>>exterminated.
>>
>>Millions of victims
>>
>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>>million war dead.
>>
>>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, 
>>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame 
>>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. 
>
>When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
>
>
>As a direct
>>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>>region's innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>
>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>>Europe's Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's 
>>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, 
>>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world's gaze. But 
>>Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a 
>>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the 
>>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>
>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 
>>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not 
>>see one under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent
>>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>>wrote claims of famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million 
>>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New 
>>York Times has never repudiated Duranty's lies.
>>
>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>>and historical roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime -
>>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>>theology.
>>
>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they 
>>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who 
>>Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle Joe," murdered four times more people 
>>than Adolf Hitler.
>>
>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and 
>>enjoying a generous state pension.
>>
>>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: margolis@foreigncorrespondent.com.
>>
>>Letters to the editor should be sent to: editor@sunpub.com.
>
>
>It seems that even a respected jewish author/writer is admitting that
>it was the JEWS with the CHEKA/forerunners of the KGB who murdered
>more than 25 million Ukrainians!!!



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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote:

>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand  wrote:
>>
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>"All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren't
>>>counted by any census - simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn't present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know."
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died--e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote: 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!



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On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:58:53 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>On 26 Nov 1998 02:04:42 GMT, marek13@aol.com (Marek13) wrote:

>>The proper word is "Holocaust."  Can't you spell English?

>The proper term is HOLOHOAX, in connection with the extortion of
>billions of dollars from gullible governments, and institutions, such
>as from Switzerland!!!


>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:31:10 -0600, "Bassam Kouatli"
> wrote:
>
>>Zionism and the Holocaust
>
>>Haim Bresheeth, in RETURN, March 1989
>>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history of the
>>Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without anti-Semitism is
>>impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet of anti-Semitism, namely
>>that Jews cannot live with non-Jews.
>>The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While the
>>industry of death and destruction did not operate before 1942, its roots
>>were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish aspirations for emancipation
>>emerged out of the national struggles in Europe. When the hopes for
>>liberation through bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other
>>alternatives for improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved
>>prominence.
>>
>>The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had to contend
>>with opposition from a new and small, almost insignificant opponent, the
>>political Zionists. In outline these two offered diametrically opposed
>>options for Jews in Europe. While the Bund was suggesting joining forces
>>with the rest of Europe's workers, the Zionists were proposing a new
>>programme aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a
>>Jewish state.
>>
>>Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of forces
>>involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option tree: every time
>>a certain option is chosen, other routes become barred. Because of that
>>choice, movement backwards to the point before that choice was mad is
>>impossible. While Zionism as an option was taken by many young Jews, it
>>remained a minority position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The
>>Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny
>>minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to represent
>>the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an international
>>organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was the only international
>>organisation allowed to operate during this period. From a marginal
>>position, the leaders of the Zionist Federation were propelled to a
>>prominence and centrality that surprised even them. All of a sudden they
>>attained political power, power based not on representation, but from being
>>selected as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the 'Jewish
>>problem'. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements that
>>affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in Germany
>>transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in Germany (and some
>>other countries in Europe) into a real option to be considered by German
>>Jews.
>>
>>The best example of this was the 'Transfer Agreement' of 1934. Immediately
>>after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were
>>organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi
>>regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling
>>the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
>>out, the campaign would collapse.
>>
>>This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as
>>early as 21.6.33, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the
>>two organisations on the questions of race, nation, and the nature of the
>>'Jewish problem', and it offered to collaborate with the new regime:
>>
>>The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of Jews abroad
>>against the German development. Boycott propaganda - such as is currently
>>being carried on against Germany in many ways - is in essence unZionist,
>>because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and build...
>>
>>In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the
>>Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act
>>was the signature of the 'Transfer Agreement' with the Nazi authorities
>>during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed
>>to get Germany's Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It
>>provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property
>>out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
>>right was denied to Jews leaving for any other destination (emphasis - ED).
>>The Zionist Organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
>>organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts 'helping' Jews
>>to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German
>>goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the
>>regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies,
>>the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now
>>the Jews come and agree with them.
>>
>>After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist
>>Organisation found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and
>>import their goods, who could argue for a boycott? This was not the first
>>time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German
>>public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish
>>Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to
>>Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
>>Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of
>>favourable articles in Der Sturmer describing the 'new Jew' of Zionism, a
>>Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
>>
>>This little-known episode established quite clearly the relationship during
>>the early days of Nazism, between the new regime and the ZVfD, a
>>relationship that was echoed later in a number of key instances, even after
>>the nature of the Final Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a
>>silencing of reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book
>>concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the Holocaust is
>>Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the Holocaust, by S.B. Beth-Zvi.
>>
>>In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen's play PERDITION
>>is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of the real nature of
>>events does not exist. It occurred near the end of the war. The USSR had
>>advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and the African bases had been lost.
>>The Nazis were on the run, with a number of key countries, such as Rumania,
>>leaving the Axis. A second front was a matter of months away, as the western
>>Allies prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann, the
>>master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up is HQ in occupied
>>Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in April 1944. His first
>>act was to have a conference with the Jewish leadership, and to appoint
>>Zionist Federation members, headed by Kastner, as the agent and clearing
>>house for all Jews in their relationship with the SS and Nazi authorities.
>>Why they did this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its
>>three and half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visible different
>>from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian Jews were in
>>integrated part of the community. The middle class was mainly Jewish, the
>>Jews were mainly middle class. They enjoyed freedom of travel, served in the
>>Hungarian (fascist) army in frontline units, as officers and soldiers, their
>>names were Hungarian - how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be
>>exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in Hungary,
>>most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other countries. Many
>>had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and were unlikely to believe any
>>statements by Nazi officials.
>>
>>Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
>>frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
>>comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
>>with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
>>could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
>>even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no
>>illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner's
>>committee, that he intended to send all Hungary's Jews to Auschwitz, before
>>he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews
>>will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met.
>>
>>The Committee faced a simple choice - to tell the Jews of Hungary about
>>their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape, being in most
>>cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the Nazis by assisting in the
>>concentration process. What would not have been believed when coming from
>>the SS, sounded quite plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist
>>leadership. Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to
>>their death, assured by their leadership that they were sent to work camps.
>>
>>To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of
>>destruction: the trains of 'prominents' which Eichmann promised to Kastner -
>>a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it was a bargain:
>>allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid for the silent
>>collaboration over the death of almost a million Jews.
>>
>>There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be located, not to
>>say murdered, without the full collaboration of Kastner and his few friends.
>>No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews here and there, but the scale of the
>>operation would have been minuscule compared to the half million who died in
>>Auschwitz.
>>
>>It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration, like say
>>Rumkovky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his strongly held Zionist
>>convictions. His actions were a logical outcome of earlier positions. This
>>is instanced when he exposed to the Gestapo the existence of a British cell
>>of saboteurs, Palgi and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so
>>as not to disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere,
>>did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those Jews.
>>
>>To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was connected to
>>another role they could, and should have played, that of alarming the whole
>>world to what was happening in Europe. They had the information, but
>>politically it was contrary to their priorities. The priorities were, and
>>still are, quite simple: All that furthers the Zionist enterprise in
>>Palestine is followed, whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews
>>and non-Jews, are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists,
>>Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so be it.
>>
>>
>>
>>You'll find more at: http://www.alquds.org/palestine/
>>
>>
>>



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On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:45:01 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>>  holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:

>>> > And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>>> Yes, the list is long....
>On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:34:46 +0000, "Dickey Hard %=====> - $$$$"
> wrote:
>>(Heiden, Konrad. Der Fuehrer. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company. 1944.
>>pp. 1-18)

>>" ... This much was true, that in 1897 in Basel the Jewish Nationalist
>>Movement of the Zionists was born. The goal of this group, to put it
>>simply,
>>was to lead the Jews back again to Palestine; to state it more exactly,
>>to create for those Jews who were leading an intolerable life of
>>oppression, especially in Russia, a 'legally assured homestead' in
>>Palestine. In order to disappear in that little corner on the eastern
>>shore of
>>the Mediterranean they had, as Theodor Herzi, the founder of the
>>movement, put it, 'to make the Jewish problem ... a question of world
>>politics ... "
>
>>"The real purpose of Holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism
>>an acceptable  political alternative again."
>
>
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:54:23 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 05:38:17 GMT, nails@pacific.net.SPAMMERSDIE.sg
>>(Ken!!!) wrote:
>>>there are idiot jews and there are idiot anti-jews...
>>>
>>>what is scary is the number if idiots willing to listen to these 2
>>>factions of idiots and promote violence...
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:11:56 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>
>>>>Those who wish to support the Christkillers, the cursed JEWS, also
>>>>wish to rewrite history.
>>
>>>>They do not want the present survivors around the world to remember
>>>>that 100 million have been killed in the last 80 years by the JEW-led
>>>>communists!! This is well documented in the recently released book in
>>>>France.
>>
>>Quite apart from the more than 30 million people massacred by the
>>JEW-led soviets in the 1930's in the Ukraine.
>
>
>From someone@somewhere.com Thu Nov 13 07:29:56 1997
>
>Subject: OyVay Admits JEW COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>
>
>The key reason OyVay and NAZIKOR/NIZKOR refuse to discuss the 66
>Questions about the HOLOHOAX, is because they must hide the truth
>about the more than 100 MILLIONS the JEW-led communists have murdered,
>in less than 80 years!!!!
>
>
>On 12 Nov 1997 01:51:13 GMT, rwhita8200@aol.com (RWhita8200) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>>>From: alangrist@aol.com (ALAN GRIST)
>>>Date: Mon, Nov 10, 1997 18:15 EST
>
>>>French writers row over "communism killed l00m" claim
>>>            FROM BEN MACINTYRE IN PARIS
>
>>>A BOOK by a team of French historians,  described  as  the
>>>first global accounting of the victims of communism, has
>>>estimated that in this century Communist dictators, regimes
>>>and  movements  have been responsible for the deaths of
>>>up to 100 million people.
>
>>> The 850-page Black Book of Communism - Crimes, Terror  
>>>and  Repression,  by  11 senior French researchers and
>>>published  to  coincide  with yesterday's 80th anniversary
>>>of the Bolshevik Revolution, has triggered a fresh ideologi-
>>>cal battle.
>
>>>The writers have come up with  a  final  estimate  that
>>>communism claimed about 65 million  lives  in  China,  20
>>>million in the Soviet Union, two million in Cambodia, two
>>>million in North Korea,  1.7 Million in Africa, one million
>>>in  Vietnam,  one million in Eastern Europe and 150,000 in
>>>South America. 
>
>>>In a polemical introduction, Stephane Courtois, the chief
>>>editor and co-ordinator of the project,  argued  that  mass 
>>>murder and terror have been central characteristics of com-
>>>munism. "The facts are stubborn," he writes. "They show that 
>>>the Communist regimes committed crimes against   about  100  million
>>>people, compared to about 25 million for the Nazis."   
>>> Some of M Courtois's fellow authors  however, have taken
>>>issue  both  with his  highly charged conclusions and with
>
>>   But there's no MONEY in these victims of Communism, so who cares?
>>
>>Bob Whitaker
>
>
>And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>
>
>



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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:01:41 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>>reconsidered by thinking readers.

>>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org

>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation


>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
>>	
>>>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
>>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>>>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
>>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
>>
>>>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>>Archives:         
>>        
>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>>         
>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type." 
>>       
>>         
>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
>>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>>Government."         
>>
>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>>>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>>Moisei Uritsky. 
>>
>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>>
>>>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." 
>>
>>>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>>United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>>
>>>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>>Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
>>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>>Gordon. 
>>
>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>>often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>>all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>>were Jews. 
>>
>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>>did not take kindly to it." 
>>
>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>>
>>>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>>4, 1919) 
>>	
>>>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>>
>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>himself:
>>
>>>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>>American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>>
>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>>Communist bosses.
>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People 
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>                http://www.natall.com  
>>>                http://www.natvan.com
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>     Roger's Page  http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>>>      Keep It White Because You Know It's Right!
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.

>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.

>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!


>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>
>>>Nothing new here.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>> 
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>> 
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>> 
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>> 
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>> 
>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>> 
>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>> 
>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>> >               letters?
>>>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>Brith's butt.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>> 
>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>> 
>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>> 
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>
>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>> 
>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>> 
>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>> 
>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>> 
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>
>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>> 
>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>
>>>National Vanguard Books
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>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
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>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>
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>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:39:29 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:21:48 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:

>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.

>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>
>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:
>
>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to Revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.
>
>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America intersted in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>
>
>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )wrote:
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>
>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>
>>>Nothing new here.
>
>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>> it is NOT!!!
>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>
>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>Canada!!!
>
>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>
>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>
>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is Special
>Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>
>
>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>
>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>> answer??
>
>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>
>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>
>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>
>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>> who can be reached at:
>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>
>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>
>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>
>>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>
>>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>
>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>
>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>
>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>
>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>
>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the   letters?
>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>
>
>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>
>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai Brith's butt.
>
>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>
>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>
>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>
>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>
>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>
>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>> >OyVey???
>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>
>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>
>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>
>>>Check this out!
>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>
>
>> >Nizkor Funding
>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>
>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>
>>>  The League is working closely
>>>with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>incidents directly to the National Office."
>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>
>
>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>
>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>
>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>
>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>
>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>
>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
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>
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>
>
>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>Canada!!!
>
>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>
>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>
>
>
>>Please print this form and send to: 
>
>>The Nizkor Project 
>>c/o 
>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>15 Hove Street 
>>Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8 
>
>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>
>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>cheque's memo section. 
>
>
>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>
>
>>Attention:CHARITIES
>>also: SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>
>>On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:00:31 -0600, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>(Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Check this out!
>>
>>
>>>>Nizkor Funding   
>>>>URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html 
>>>>Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>
>>>>The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
>>>>educational curricula and policy development to regulate, in some way,
>>>>the transmission of hateful messages. The League is working closely
>>>>with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>
>>>>There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>promote Jewish interests. If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>
>>>>The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>dramatizations.
>>>>
>>>>Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>
>>>>NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>interest immediately, and the Nizkor abonimation should be shut down
>>>>and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>
>>>>You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>www.natvan.com
>>>>www.natall.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>



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On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:00:50 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:45 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:31:10 -0600, "Bassam Kouatli"
>>> wrote:

>>>>Zionism and the Holocaust

>>>>Haim Bresheeth, in RETURN, March 1989
>>>>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history of the
>>>>Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without anti-Semitism is
>>>>impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet of anti-Semitism, namely
>>>>that Jews cannot live with non-Jews.
>>>>The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While the
>>>>industry of death and destruction did not operate before 1942, its roots
>>>>were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish aspirations for emancipation
>>>>emerged out of the national struggles in Europe. When the hopes for
>>>>liberation through bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other
>>>>alternatives for improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved
>>>>prominence.
>>>>
>>>>The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had to contend
>>>>with opposition from a new and small, almost insignificant opponent, the
>>>>political Zionists. In outline these two offered diametrically opposed
>>>>options for Jews in Europe. While the Bund was suggesting joining forces
>>>>with the rest of Europe's workers, the Zionists were proposing a new
>>>>programme aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a
>>>>Jewish state.
>>>>
>>>>Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of forces
>>>>involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option tree: every time
>>>>a certain option is chosen, other routes become barred. Because of that
>>>>choice, movement backwards to the point before that choice was mad is
>>>>impossible. While Zionism as an option was taken by many young Jews, it
>>>>remained a minority position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The
>>>>Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny
>>>>minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to represent
>>>>the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an international
>>>>organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was the only international
>>>>organisation allowed to operate during this period. From a marginal
>>>>position, the leaders of the Zionist Federation were propelled to a
>>>>prominence and centrality that surprised even them. All of a sudden they
>>>>attained political power, power based not on representation, but from being
>>>>selected as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the 'Jewish
>>>>problem'. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements that
>>>>affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in Germany
>>>>transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in Germany (and some
>>>>other countries in Europe) into a real option to be considered by German
>>>>Jews.
>>>>
>>>>The best example of this was the 'Transfer Agreement' of 1934. Immediately
>>>>after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were
>>>>organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi
>>>>regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling
>>>>the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
>>>>out, the campaign would collapse.
>>>>
>>>>This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as
>>>>early as 21.6.33, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the
>>>>two organisations on the questions of race, nation, and the nature of the
>>>>'Jewish problem', and it offered to collaborate with the new regime:
>>>>
>>>>The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of Jews abroad
>>>>against the German development. Boycott propaganda - such as is currently
>>>>being carried on against Germany in many ways - is in essence unZionist,
>>>>because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and build...
>>>>
>>>>In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the
>>>>Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act
>>>>was the signature of the 'Transfer Agreement' with the Nazi authorities
>>>>during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed
>>>>to get Germany's Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It
>>>>provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property
>>>>out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
>>>>right was denied to Jews leaving for any other destination (emphasis - ED).
>>>>The Zionist Organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
>>>>organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts 'helping' Jews
>>>>to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German
>>>>goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the
>>>>regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies,
>>>>the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now
>>>>the Jews come and agree with them.
>>>>
>>>>After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist
>>>>Organisation found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and
>>>>import their goods, who could argue for a boycott? This was not the first
>>>>time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German
>>>>public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish
>>>>Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to
>>>>Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
>>>>Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of
>>>>favourable articles in Der Sturmer describing the 'new Jew' of Zionism, a
>>>>Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
>>>>
>>>>This little-known episode established quite clearly the relationship during
>>>>the early days of Nazism, between the new regime and the ZVfD, a
>>>>relationship that was echoed later in a number of key instances, even after
>>>>the nature of the Final Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a
>>>>silencing of reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book
>>>>concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the Holocaust is
>>>>Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the Holocaust, by S.B. Beth-Zvi.
>>>>
>>>>In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen's play PERDITION
>>>>is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of the real nature of
>>>>events does not exist. It occurred near the end of the war. The USSR had
>>>>advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and the African bases had been lost.
>>>>The Nazis were on the run, with a number of key countries, such as Rumania,
>>>>leaving the Axis. A second front was a matter of months away, as the western
>>>>Allies prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann, the
>>>>master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up is HQ in occupied
>>>>Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in April 1944. His first
>>>>act was to have a conference with the Jewish leadership, and to appoint
>>>>Zionist Federation members, headed by Kastner, as the agent and clearing
>>>>house for all Jews in their relationship with the SS and Nazi authorities.
>>>>Why they did this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its
>>>>three and half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visible different
>>>>from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian Jews were in
>>>>integrated part of the community. The middle class was mainly Jewish, the
>>>>Jews were mainly middle class. They enjoyed freedom of travel, served in the
>>>>Hungarian (fascist) army in frontline units, as officers and soldiers, their
>>>>names were Hungarian - how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be
>>>>exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in Hungary,
>>>>most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other countries. Many
>>>>had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and were unlikely to believe any
>>>>statements by Nazi officials.
>>>>
>>>>Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
>>>>frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
>>>>comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
>>>>with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
>>>>could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
>>>>even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no
>>>>illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner's
>>>>committee, that he intended to send all Hungary's Jews to Auschwitz, before
>>>>he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews
>>>>will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met.
>>>>
>>>>The Committee faced a simple choice - to tell the Jews of Hungary about
>>>>their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape, being in most
>>>>cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the Nazis by assisting in the
>>>>concentration process. What would not have been believed when coming from
>>>>the SS, sounded quite plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist
>>>>leadership. Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to
>>>>their death, assured by their leadership that they were sent to work camps.
>>>>
>>>>To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of
>>>>destruction: the trains of 'prominents' which Eichmann promised to Kastner -
>>>>a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it was a bargain:
>>>>allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid for the silent
>>>>collaboration over the death of almost a million Jews.
>>>>
>>>>There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be located, not to
>>>>say murdered, without the full collaboration of Kastner and his few friends.
>>>>No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews here and there, but the scale of the
>>>>operation would have been minuscule compared to the half million who died in
>>>>Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration, like say
>>>>Rumkovky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his strongly held Zionist
>>>>convictions. His actions were a logical outcome of earlier positions. This
>>>>is instanced when he exposed to the Gestapo the existence of a British cell
>>>>of saboteurs, Palgi and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so
>>>>as not to disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere,
>>>>did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those Jews.
>>>>
>>>>To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was connected to
>>>>another role they could, and should have played, that of alarming the whole
>>>>world to what was happening in Europe. They had the information, but
>>>>politically it was contrary to their priorities. The priorities were, and
>>>>still are, quite simple: All that furthers the Zionist enterprise in
>>>>Palestine is followed, whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews
>>>>and non-Jews, are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists,
>>>>Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so be it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You'll find more at: http://www.alquds.org/palestine/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>



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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:08:00 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:04:57 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Mon, 04 May 1998 06:53:14 -0600, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest
>>Slepokura) wrote:

>>>Who lied about Demjanjuk?

>>>Criticism of Jewish groups costs judge Supreme Court appointment 

>>>by Yossi Melman

>>>[Reprinted in *Ukrainian News* (Edmonton, Alberta) in its April 7, 1998
>>>issue from the Israeli daily *Ha'aretz* November 14, 1997 issue.] 
>>
>>>**If it were not for the Demjanjuk affair, Gilbert Merritt would probably
>>>be a U.S. Supreme Court Justice. Yossi Melman traces the career of the
>>>judge who ruled in 1985 that John Demjanjuk was in fact Ivan the Terrible,
>>>and ordered his extradition to Israel.**
>>
>>>>Aside from John Demjanjuk, who endured a tortuous eight years of legal
>>>proceedings that nearly led him to the hangman's noose, and his close
>>>family
>>>members, the most prominent victim of the Demjanjuk case was Gilbert
>>>Merritt. He is the federal judge who in April 1985 upheld the ruling -
>>>years later proven to be incorrect - that Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible,
>>>the notorious, sadistic guard who operated the gas chamber at the
>>>Treblinka death camp in Poland, and ordered Demjanjuk's extradition to
>>>Israel. 
>>
>>>At the time, the rulings by Judge Merritt were acclaimed by major Jewish
>>>organizations in the United States. However, after the Israeli Supreme
>>>Court
>>>found Demjanjuk innocent of the charges against him in 1993, Judge Merritt
>>>expressed remorse for his erronneous decisions. He also sharply criticized
>>>the Jewish organizations. His expression of regret and critical remarks
>>>ended up costing Merritt the highest position that an American jurist can
>>>hope to reach.
>>
>>>Before Demjanjuk, Merritt's star had shone bright. He had extensive
>>>experience and a sterling reputation, and was a Democrat with a liberal
>>>world view. Yet, despite his prodigious judicial and civic skills, Merritt
>>>was never offered the sought-after appointment. His friends, including
>>>Judge George Paine of the
>>>Federal Bankruptcy Court in Nashville, explain that Jewish organizations,
>>>and primarily B'nai Brith, the Anti-Defamation League, the World Jewish
>>>Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, carried out a lobbying campaign
>>>in Congress and the White House against his elevation. They hinted that
>>>Merritt was anti-Semitic and was not suited to the position of Supreme
>>>Court Justice. President Bill Clinton buckled under the pressure of the
>>>Jewish lobby and opted to appoint Ruth Ginsburg to the post four years
>>>ago. 
>>
>>>I met Gilbert Merritt, now 61, two weeks ago in his office in Nashville,
>>>Tennessee. In spite of his disappointment, he is not bitter. "I am just a
>>>lot
>>>more sober," he says. What provoked the Jewish reaction was Merritt's
>>>statements denouncing the American Department of Justice, the Israeli
>>>Foreign Ministry and the Jewish organizations, all of whom had insisted
>>>that John Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible. Today, Merritt feels that what
>>>began in the early 1980s as an inquiry by the Justice Department's Office
>>>of Special Investigations (OSI) eventually snowballed into a conspiracy
>>>against Demjanjuk.
>>
>>>According to Merritt and others familiar with the affair, the OSI, which
>>>was set up to bring [Nazi] war criminals living in the United States to
>>>justice, was at the time subjected to heavy pressure by Congress and
>>>senior Justice Department officials. The office had been criticized as
>>>being inefficient and
>>>unable to fulfill its tasks. OSI directors were told in no uncertain terms
>>>to "deliver the goods": either expose Nazi war criminals and collaborators
>>>who had found refuge in America, or lose some or even all its budget. This
>>>was the background for the accelerated investigation against John
>>>Demjanjuk, an American citizen of Ukrainian descent who lived in a suburb
>>>of Cleveland, Ohio. The investigation showed that after World War II
>>>Demjanjuk had entered the United
>>>States on false grounds, having failed to reveal the truth about his past
>>>on the immigration questionnaires. Based on that, American authorities
>>>stripped him of his citizenship. Simultaneously, Jewish organizations and
>>>the OSI began to place heavy pressure on the Israeli government - through
>>>Ephraim Zuroff, the OSI representative in Israel at the time, who is now
>>>director of the Wiesenthal Center in Jerusalem - to request Demjanjuk's
>>>extradition to Israel. The national unity government of Shimon Peres was
>>>not delighted at the prospect, but the pressure finally paid off and
>>>Justice Minister Moshe Nissim filed for the extradition of John Demjanjuk.
>>
>>>The Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals met in Cincinnati to hear the
>>>petition. Judge Merritt headed the panel. Representatives of the OSI and
>>>the Justice Department introduced documents apparently indicating that
>>>Demjanjuk was in fact Ivan the Terrible from Treblinka. Judge Merritt and
>>>his colleagues were convinced, and in April 1985 the court ruled for
>>>Demjanjuk's extradition.
>>>Demjanjuk was brought to Israel, found guilty of the crimes of which he
>>>was accused in the Jerusalem District court, but in 1993 was cleared on
>>>appeal by the Supreme Court of the charges against him. 
>>
>>>"Today we know," says Merritt, "that they - the OSI, the prosecution in
>>>the case and the State Department - lied through their teeth. Even then
>>>they knew without a doubt that Demjanjuk was not Ivan the Terrible, but
>>>they hid the information from us. I am sorry that I did not have the
>>>information at the time.
>>>If I did, we would never have ruled in favor of his extradition to
>>>Israel." Merritt claims that what happened in his courtroom was "nothing
>>>short of a witch hunt. In retrospect, it reminds me of the witch trials in
>>>Salem, Massachusetts 300 years ago. The prosecution, counseled by the OSI,
>>>presented documents and witnesses whose testimony was based emotions and
>>>hysteria, but not hard evidence. To my regret, we believed them. This
>>>instance is a prime example of how justice can be distorted." 
>>
>>>Despite the disdain and rage Merritt feels for the prosecution, the OSI
>>>and the State Department, he is full of praise for the Israeli judicial
>>>system, and especially the prosecutor in Demjanjuk's trial, Michael
>>>Shaked. "Your prosecutor was brave and honest enough to admit to the
>>>doubts that arose regarding Demjanjuk's identification as Ivan the
>>>Terrible. It was these doubts
>>>that eventually resulted in freeing Demjanjuk from the hangman's noose.
>>>And the credit for this goes to your prosecutor, who I consider to be a
>>>noble man with the highest principles, quite unlike our own liars." As for
>>>the allegation that Demjanjuk was in fact a collaborator of the Nazis who
>>>worked as a guard in a different camp, Merritt responds, "Yes, I heard
>>>about that and it might even be true, but so long as evidence has not been
>>>introduced to the court, it's impossible to find him guilty of other
>>>crimes. A person can only be guilty if convicted of the crime of which he
>>>is accused. Demjanjuk was put on trial for
>>>being Ivan the Terrible, but it became clear that he was not Ivan the
>>>Terrible." 
>>
>>>Once the truth emerged at the Supreme Court in Jerusalem, and word of it
>>>reached Judge Merritt in Cinncinnati, he filed a complaint and demanded an
>>>investigation
>>>of the OSI and its director at the time, Allan Ryan, on suspicion of
>>>violating the constitutional rights of John Demjanjuk. The judge's claim
>>>was backed up by findings brought to light by the Demjanjuk family and
>>>their legal advisers, who
>>>searched through trash bins near the OSI offices in Washington and
>>>unearthed documents which indicated that the prosecution in the original
>>>Cinncinnati trial
>>>did not provide the defense with all the material in its possession, as is
>>>required by law. "My moral and legal obligation, as a human being and a
>>>judge,
>>>is to the constitution and rule of law. This was also the obligation of
>>>the officials in Washington - to submit all the information they had to
>>>the court."
>>>The investigation of Judge Merritt's complaint is still underway. 
>>
>>>Gilbert Merritt's curriculam vitae is impressive, to say the least. Born
>>>in Nashville, tennessee, in 1936, he took his bachelor's degree at Yale,
>>>and then
>>>attended graduate school at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. He later
>>>completed a law degree at Harvard. After being accepted to the bar,
>>>Merritt became a law school lecturer and worked as a lawyer at one of the
>>>largest firms in Nashville. In 1966, at the age of 30, Merritt was
>>>appointed a public prosecutor in Nashville, becoming the youngest federal
>>>prosecutor in the United States. In this position, he waged legal fights
>>>to enforce the federal equal rights and civil rights laws to improve the
>>>situation of the black minority of
>>>one of the most racist southern states.
>>
>>>In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed him to the federal District
>>>Court in Cinncinnati, and in 1989 he was promoted to chief judge of the
>>>court. This fast-track judicial career path seemed to be leading toward a
>>>Supreme Court appointment, an opinion that was shared by President Clinton
>>>and the Democratic Party. But the Jewish community could not forgive him. 
>>
>>>"Various Jewish organizations attacked me for lodging my complaint and my
>>>demand for an investigation," he dryly notes, his voice devoid of emotion.
>>>"They accused me of anti-Semitism. I never imagined what power these
>>>organizations could have."
>>
>>>Merritt's friends in the Nashville Jewish community came to his aid. They
>>>strongly condemned the attacks against them, spoke out in his support and
>>>explained that he by no means harbored any racist opinions. Still, the
>>>all-powerful lobby of the East Coast Jewish establishment was undeterred.
>>>Today, Merritt is still a judge in the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of
>>>Appeals, dividing his time between his judge's chambers in Cinncinnati and
>>>Nashville.
>>
>>>"At least now I have more time to devote to my hobbies - golf, tennis,
>>>bicycle riding, and my numerous public functions as a trustee of several
>>>universities." 
>>
>>>[End]



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It seems many people must have cancelled using Canada Post recently!!!


Canada Post are now running an ad campaign, begging Canadians to
please send letters!!!!


Probably enough victims of THEFTS by CanPost managers told their
friends to BOYCOTT CANADA POST.


Wonder why APS are shilling for CanPost, instead of helping
international victims?? Could it be that APS only concerns itself with
US problems/

Apsken, why no comments from you??



On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:06:21 GMT, cohend@kammer.com wrote:

>>>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>>>mail this year, because of concern about theft??

>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>>>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>>>what
>>>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>>>Friedrich
>>>>>                                                                    
>>>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>>>
>>>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>>>
>>>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>>>



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Is it that you prefer to support the JEW CRIMINALS, such as Meyer
lansky, who ran all the drugs, prostitution and murders under
Batista??


On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:48:22 GMT, spaceplan@mailcity.com wrote:

>To Who It May Concern:
>
>To the attention of:WBAI PACIFICA RADIO
>
>Mario Murillo, Valerie Van Isler
>Program director: Samori Marksman
>News director: Jose Santiago
>Development Director: Greg Hendren
>Arts Director: Matthew Finch
>Democracy Now: Amy Goodman, Jeremy Scahill, Maria Carrion, Errol
>Maitland
>
>I am writing this note in protest of a show to be aired on Jan.17 re:
>The glorify+ing of the Cuban revolution and it's music. I think Mario
>Murillo is to host this. As a Cuban Jew, who has known family members
>to have died in Poland, and again to Fidel Castro's forces, it really
>makes me sad that something of this nature is to be aired. It makes me
>sad that people make nice and support someone and an institution that
>is very similar in control and terror to that of the Nazi in Europe.
>The Nazi believed in racial superiority, and the communist like Castro
>believes in class struggle. They are the same because each of them is
>a one party dictatorship with militarism and thought control as a
>medium to keep the people in line. Even with all the facts that are
>out there, all the research, and all the personal accounts of souls
>who have stated that the Cuban revolution has been one big fraud and
>sham. I am shocked at the amount of hypocrisy your station and the
>Pacifica Foundation profess to. One day I hear that all of you are
>outraged at the state of affairs in US prisons or in East Timor, but
>totally neglect the hardships endured in Cuba because Fidel Castro.
>Embargo or not! The Cuban revolution has hurt the people on the island
>more. They have even supported PLO and Arab terrorist and others like
>ETA in Spain. The PLO who have trained in Cuba have done a lot of bad
>in the Middle East. That is why, as a Jew I stand by Israel. And as a
>Cuban I stand by the Cuban Americans - because that is what i am also.
>Christian, or not I plan to fight any one who tries to go against and
>further destroy my beloved and missed Cuba.
>I will not send you my money as a symbolic gesture to say that you are
>out of line in your celebration of Fidel.
>We say never again to fascists. I say never again to Pacifica and the
>fools who promote dictators and killers like Castro.
>
>Leon Serrano
>East Side, NYC
>1999
>
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On 16 Jan 1999 02:01:28 +0200, vaget@apex.dp.ua wrote:

>Dear People from Muslim World:
>Immigration To Canada
> To obtain a Canadian Visa for:
>     (1) Permanent Residence
>     (2) Sponsorship
>     (3) Student Visa
>     (4) Business Programs and Investment
This smells like another swindle by criminals trying to get more
criminals and other undesirables into Canada!!!

Legitimate, qualified individuals do not need to pay scammers to apply
to emigrate to canada.

Only those unsuited, and unqualified, need pay for the service, which
is available FREE at all Canada immigration offices!!!!


By the way, since when is the appellation "attorney at law" legal in
Canada??


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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:20:55 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>Is this any less fraudulent than the Neil Sher case in the USA???

>Isn't this the same JEW charged with perjury in connection with the
>Demjanjuk case???

>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:13 GMT, Stefan Lemieszewski
> wrote:

>>The following forwarded CP article is posted at  the Ukrainian Archive
>>website under the caption "Neal Sher should be sent packing" at:

>>www.ukar.org

>>Neal Sher headed the U.S. Office of Special Investigations (OSI) of the
>>U.S. Department of Justice for many years. Recently, he was hired as a
>>consultant by Anne McLellan, the Canadian Justice Minister.
>>
>>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>April 28, 1998
>>
>>U.S. Nazi hunter admits he's under investigation for perjury
>>
>>OTTAWA (CP) — A top Nazi hunter hired to help Canada pursue suspected
>>war criminals is
>>under investigation for perjury by the Justice Department in the United
>>States.
>>
>>     Neal Sher, a Washington lawyer, told the Commons justice committee
>>Wednesday that he
>>is being investigated by the Office of Professional Responsibility, a
>>unit of the U.S. Justice Department that handles complaints about
>>attorneys.
>>
>>     The allegations date back to 1990 when Sher was director of the
>>U.S. Office of Special Investigations, which is responsible for hunting
>>Nazi war criminals in the United States.
>>
>>     The office has been accused of withholding evidence that might have
>>been helpful to the case of Andrija Artukovic, a California resident who
>>was extradited to Yugoslavia for war crimes during the Second World
>>War.  Sher said he has been assured that the allegations against him are
>>groundless, but no official verdict has been rendered.
>>
>>     John Sims, assistant deputy attorney general, said he was not aware
>>of the investigation when he hired Sher as a consultant to help the
>>federal government track down war criminals.
>>
>>     Sims said he found out about it a couple of days ago from a
>>colleague in his department.  He said he has not mentioned the fact to
>>Solicitor General Andy Scott.
>>
>>     Sher was summoned to appear before the committee at the request of
>>members who say they have been hearing concerns about his role and
>>background.
>>
>>     Conservative MP Peter MacKay said Sher should be dismissed from his
>>job advising the federal Justice Department.
>>
>>     "It's a little shocking to think that somebody that is being relied
>>on heavily by the Canadian government is himself under investigation for
>>potential — and I key on the word potential — frauds perpetrated on the
>>court," said McKay, a former Crown attorney.
>>
>>     "It comes as a bit of a disappointment that the Canadian government
>>didn't do their research first and have that knowledge themselves.  I
>>think he should be paid for his advice and sent packing."
>>
>>     Reform MP Jack Ramsay said he was surprised at Sher's statement
>>that allegations against him are unfounded.
>>
>>     "What I found interesting is that investigation is not over and yet
>>he knows the results of it at least in part."
>>
>>     Sims said Sher is working for the Justice Department two or three
>>days a month and gets paid $200 US per hour.  He said Sher's advice has
>>been helpful.
>>
>>     Much of the Sher's testimony before the committee dealt with his
>>role in the extradition from the United States of John Demjanjuk, who
>>was accused of being a Nazi death camp guard known as Ivan the Terrible.
>>
>>     Demjanjuk was eventually acquitted of war-crimes charges in Israel
>>and returned to Ohio.
>>
>>     Sher conceded there were errors in the handling of the case.  The
>>Canadian Jewish Conference issued a statement Wednesday strongly
>>endorsing Sher's engagement as a consultant.
>>
>>     "Examining the totality of Mr. Sher's career at the Office of
>>Special Investigations and after reveals a record of outstanding success
>>and energy in bringing alleged Nazi war criminals to the bar of
>>justice," the statement said.
>>
>
>On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:42:33 -0500, "Saabirah" 
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Ibrahim Dughlas-Gani wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>brother Ali, you should stop posting Neo-Nazi literature to usenet.  As a
>>>Muslim, you should have nothing to do with evil right wing scum.  Zionism
>>>itself may be evil, but Nazism and it's revived offspring are even worse.
>>>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>waSalaam
>>
>>Saabirah
>>



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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:06:52 GMT, girven@pd.jaring.my (Gramps) wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:13:18 GMT, chornaya@poccia.com wrote:
>>On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:56:20 -0400, "Kevin Drayson"
>> wrote:
>>>chornaya@poccia.com wrote in message <369933b8.1127760@news.sprint.ca>...

>>In Alberta, the only requirement for the unqualified bookkeepers, to
>>obtain the CGA deisgnation was an affidavit stating that they earned
>>$25,000 the previous year doing bookkeeping!!!


>>There was no requirement for any upgrading courses, exams, or other
>>tests of competency!!!

>>When a national professional organisation permits unqualified persons
>>to represent themselves as qualified, the public, and even those
>>members who ARE qualified have good reason for concern!!!

>This is utter hogwash from an ignorant person who is probably pissed
>off because he couldn't qualify...



If you can READ the article refers to unqualified CGA's in ALBERTA!!

This despite the fact that CGA BC also accepted unqualified
bookkeepers as CGA's - such as H.C.Gibson, and E.Hunter??


>When I entered the CGA of BC program in 1965, I was already the chief
>financial officer of a multinational corporation with Chartered
>Accountants and Registered Industrial Accountants reporting to me... I
>got the position because of skill and ability acquired in the previous
>20 years of practical experience in smaller companies...

>In spite of my experience and the knowledge level demonstrated through
>tests of knowledge levels set by Certified Public Accountants in the
>US, I was granted NO exemption whatsoever... not even basic
>bookkeeping... the program then consisted of a five year program
>administered by The University of British Columbia... annual
>Professional Development courses are required to maintain competence
>in current topics...
  The fact that YOU had to take upgrading, at substantial costs, was
merely to line the pockets of the treasury of CGA!!!, as happened in
Alberta.



>These writers are obviously lying... for what reason I can only
>guess... I have previously examined the workings of the Ethics and
>Professional Standards committees of CGA of BC and they are
>rigorous... unlike those found in south east Asia...

In fact, CGA Canada is desperately trying to recruit members from SE
Asia, because they want the money, and to hell with qualifications....

>Ray Girven, CGA [retired]

What you experienced 30 years ago, seems to have little relevance to
the current situation in Alberta.


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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:05:36 -0400, "Kevin Drayson"
 wrote:

>
>Gramps wrote in message <369afcbb.26302318@news.jaring.my>...
>
>
>
>>
>>These writers are obviously lying... for what reason I can only
>>guess... I have previously examined the workings of the Ethics and
>>Professional Standards committees of CGA of BC and they are
>>rigorous... unlike those found in south east Asia...
>>
>>Ray Girven, CGA [retired]
>>
>>http://geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2599/
>>Most retirees have fixed incomes... mine's broke..
>
>Hi Ray.
>
>I have to take exception with your blanket statement. I, at least, was not
>lying. The original poster however, appears to be an ex- CGA with some
>serious personal issues. 


Who in fact resigned from CGA in protest at the irregularities, all
documented and true.


There was a post on this group earlier today which
>gave some background on this chap. Quite an eye-opener. 

Complete fabrications from a troller, to stimulate interest probably.


And as it turns out,
>this guy's apparent beef is with the "grandfathering" that occurred in
>Alberta after a bit of legislation was passed which essentially required all
>public accountants to hold some designation. I think it was in '86?

It was in 1988, and did NOT force all accountants to join one of the 3
major accounting groups.


>Anyway, as I stated in my first post, he's trolling, although in his case
>it's less of a troll, and more like slander and misrepresentation.

You are incorrect, since TRUE facts and statements are neither..
>Kevin Drayson
>CGA Student
>



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On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:07:12 -0400, "Kevin Drayson"
 wrote:

>
>Gramps wrote in message <369c8693.43760588@news.jaring.my>...
>>
>>If it is in print rather than verbal, it is libel rather than slander
>>and is actionablr in Canadian courts... if you can supply the
>>association with a means of identification, they should institute
>>action against him...
>
>I couldn't remember which was written. Commercial Law was last year ;-)
>
>>
>>Thanks for the clarification... I worked hard for my designation, am
>>quite proud of it and, though I have been retired for several years,
>>resent anyone casting aspersions upon a proud professional association
>>like ours...
>>
>>I am sure that, once you have your certificate hanging on the wall,
>>you will feel the same way...
>
>I already feel that way. Hence the nature of my posts. I was also
>open-minded enough (at first) to consider that the original poster had a
>valid complaint, despite the method and tone of his posts. I've since been
>convinced that he has "no case" as it were. If he had, I'm sure the CA's and
>CMA's would have brought the case before the Alberta legislature.


In fact, the issue WAs presented to a public commission, to determine
whether CGA's in Alberta were qualified to prepare audits for public
companies. CGA's lost, based on testimony presented by CGA's, CA's,
and CMA's. Even Prof. Boritz, who had prepared the course of
instruction for CGA testified AGAINST CGA Alberta.

All this is on the public record...

>>Ray 'Gramps' Girven, fully retired...
>>
>>http://geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2599/
>>Most retirees have fixed incomes... mine's broke..
>
>Frankly, I'm hoping the whole thread will just die, now that some useful,
>unbiased information has come to light. I certainly have to plans to
>continue adding to it.
>
>Kevin Drayson
>CGA student
>



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>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:08:57 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:31:56 -0400, Vernon Paige
>> wrote:
>>>someone@somewhere.com wrote:


>>>> I was referring to published documents, at public hearings, regarding
>>>> the 52 UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS, ADMITTED INTO CGA ALBERTA AS CGA'S,
>>>> WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE ANY EXAMS, ANY COURSES, ANY UPGRADING - the
>>>> only requirement was that they sign an affidavit that they earned
>>>> $25,000.-- doing bookkeeping!!!

>>>You can quibble
>>>if you want about whether 52 people should have been required to provide
>>>more evidence of competency, 
>>
>>
>>On the contrary, any so-called professional group should not only be
>>maintaining its standards, but should in general be upgrading them!!!
>>
>>
>>CGA Canada, which is a BOOKKEEPING group claiming to be accountants,
>>in both B.C. and Alberta freely admitted not only unqualified people,
>>but even admitted convicted criminals!!!
>>
>>
>>>YOU say they were "unqualified bookkeepers".  You don't seem to make any
>>>distinction among bookkeepers, accountans and auditors. 
>>
>>At the public hearings held to determine whethere Alberta CGA's were
>>in fact qualified to do public audits, such as for companies required
>>to have audits for securities and related laws, the CA's, and CMA's,
>>as well as concerned members of the public all testified against CGA
>>Alberta.
>>
>>In fact, Prof. Boritz, who established the course of instruction for
>>CGA Canada also testified that CGA's in Alberta and generally, were
>>unqualified because of defects in their course of instruction, to do
>>public audits!!!
>> You don't
>>>present any evidence they were "unqualified" ANYTHING, only that they
>>>didn't complete the courses of instruction that were at that time the
>>>standard.  
>>
>>In fact the unqualified bookkeepers in both Alberta and B.C. were not
>>even required to have ANY educational qualification whatsoever, then,
>>or later!!! 
>>
>>
>>>> Since this ng relates to accounting, the other trades have no
>>>> relevance to readers.
>>
>>
>>>anonymously broadcasting unjustified attacks against individuals and
>>>organizations who may have (probably have?) no connection with your
>>>problem.
>>
>>The names and dates of the prominent CGA's are identified, and if you
>>can read, all you need do to verify the contents, is search and access
>>the news media themselves directly, as so many others have now done.
>>
>>I am not going to assist you in your laziness, whether you are a
>>bookkeeping student or not.
>>
>>
>>>> That was not the topic of the article, which I will re-insert for you
>>>> to re-read. It relates to ACCOUNTANTS, in particular the problems with
>>>> Canadian CGA's, whom I denigrate as unqualified bookkeepers, since
>>>> they have such in their membership!!!
>>
>>
>>>> I am discussing the problem, openly and publicly, and have even
>>>> provided you with full details.
>>
>>I am by profession an International Management Consultant, with
>>credentials from countries in Europe, North America and S.E.Asia.



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On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:11:37 GMT, lewchuk@wichita.infi.net wrote:

>The legislation did not force ALL accountants to
>join one of the three bodies... only ones who desired to perform audits.  I
>can't remember exactly how they were divided amongst the 3 bodies but I think
>it was on the basis of membership... therefore the CA's had the most,
>followed by the CMA's and then the CGAs.  

In fact the CA's took only 4, qualified accountants, the CMA's
apparently took only a couple, and the CGA's wound up with 52
unqualified bookkeepers, accordng to evidence on the public record.


To enlighten further.  In Alberta
>there is a JSD (Joint Standards Directorate) composed of members of the 3
>bodies.  It is the responsibility of this body to ensure the standards of the
>public accountants in Alberta.	Therefore, even the accountants who were
>grandfathered into 1 of the 3 bodies had to maintain the standards as
>established by the JSD.


The individual groups are responsible for enforcing the so-called
standards, NOT the JSD!!!


>Yes, you are slandering and misrepresenting because you are only telling
>half-truths.
>
>I would be glad to participate in a RATIONAL discussion of the merits and
>weaknesses of CGA's, accounting in Alberta... whatever.  Buy not with a
>person who's sole purpose is to tell lies in order to advance some personal
>agenda.



All is documented, and true, and only some uselss CGA's or/and their
students in Canada want the issue to be quashed.

>Further to previous news reports, the Past President of CGA Alberta, William
>L. Mearns, has been sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison on his conviction for
>embezzling from the County of Red Deer, Alberta.
>
>PAST PRESIDENT CGA - CRIMINAL TRIAL  - GETS  3  1/2  YEARS  IMPRISONMENT
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>WARNING  RE  CGA  CANADA
>
>OF  CONCERN  TO  ACCOUNTING   STUDENTS,  ACCOUNTANTS,  AND  THE  GENERAL  PUBLIC
>
>CGA'S   IN   CANADA  -  WHAT'S   WRONG   WITH   THEM?
>
>Over  the past year, national media have been filling the news with stories
>of major scandals involving prominent CERTIFIED GENERAL ACCOUNTANTS (CGA'S)
>in Canada.
>
>In Alberta, the media have had a field day for the past year, reporting on
>the fact that  a PAST PRESIDENT of CGA Alberta, an FCGA and CGA, was under
>investigation, and eventually charged with 14 serious criminal charges,
>
>The  complaints  were  filed by the Hongkong Bank to the RCMPCOMMERCIAL
>CRIME DIVISION.
>
>The HK Bank was complaining about William Mearns,who had been for 12 years
>the Controller/Treasurer of the County of Red Deer, Alberta.
>
>MEARNS WAS CHARGED WITH 14 SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES,  as reported
>by CFRN-TV, the Edmonton Sun, and Red Deer Advocate. Among the charges are 5
>charges of uttering forged documents, another 5 charges of making a false
>document, 2 more charges of forgery, one more charge of fraud, and one of
>theft over $5,000.00.
>  
>MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS is reported to be missing.
>
>At  his next Court appearance on 4th October 1996,  the third adjournment
>requested by Mearns, he was convicted, and sentenced to  3  1/2  years  in  prison.
>
>At the end of 1995, without any advice to the general public or EVEN TO
>MEMBERS OF CGA ALBERTA, MEARNS WAS ALLOWED  TO SECRETLY  RESIGN BOTH HIS CGA
>AND FCGA  designations. This seems to be a first for Canada, where an FCGA
>surrenders what was supposed to be a prestigious designation.  In the past
>year Mearns and one of his businesses have both gone bankrupt.
>
>Mind you, Mearns got his FCGA in connection with his work in 1987-1988,
>where he was involved with THE ADMISSSION TO CGA ALBERTA OF UNQUALIFIED
>BOOKKEEPERS, WHO WERE GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION, WITHOUT ANY REQUIREMENT FOR
>EDUCATION,QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, NO EXAMS or even a requirement for
>upgrading courses to bring them up to an acceptable standard.  CGA Alberta
>of course benefitted financially, from the huge increase in dues and fees
>from these new members.
>
>The Vancouver Sun and other national media recently carried banner headlines
>regarding ROMAN EVANCIC, another FCGA, who had got himself SHOT!!!  This was
>apparently in connection with some business partner and a collections
>problem. The news reported that the assailant said, as he shot Evancic:" I'm
>from your stock brokers. I  understand you ripped him off." (Vancouver Sun -
>11 January 1996).
>
>And don't forget the scandal exposed on national TV of the Surrey, BC  CGA
>convicted of embezzling millions of dollars from fellow parishioners of his  church.
>
>Are these published reports, as well as others, part of the reason that the
>Maritime Provinces have successfully maintained that CGA's in those
>provinces ARE  NOT  QUALIFIED to perform public audits? Could it have
>something to do with the fact that an unqualified CGA from Alberta could
>move to the Maritimes, and even though unqualified, could still call himself  a CGA there?
>
>As a result of all the bad publicity regarding  problem CGA's in Canada, CGA
>Canada is  now desperately trying to recruit new members from the ignorant
>in  CHINA  and the Caribbean,
>                           
>
>
>Students of accounting in CHINA and  the Caribbean,  who must pay many
>                                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>tens of thousands of dollars to obtain your designation, how do you feel
>about these "gwaliau" who got the CGA for FREE?
>
>Those of you concerned about credibility in the accounting profession are
>invited to respond.


>In article <36a0c48d.3493912@news.sprint.ca>,
>  sbarnesson88@zhid.fags.org wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:05:36 -0400, "Kevin Drayson"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Gramps wrote in message <369afcbb.26302318@news.jaring.my>...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>These writers are obviously lying... for what reason I can only
>> >>guess... I have previously examined the workings of the Ethics and
>> >>Professional Standards committees of CGA of BC and they are
>> >>rigorous... unlike those found in south east Asia...
>> >>
>> >>Ray Girven, CGA [retired]
>> >>
>> >>http://geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2599/
>> >>Most retirees have fixed incomes... mine's broke..
>> >
>> >Hi Ray.
>> >
>> >I have to take exception with your blanket statement. I, at least, was not
>> >lying. The original poster however, appears to be an ex- CGA with some
>> >serious personal issues.
>>
>> Who in fact resigned from CGA in protest at the irregularities, all
>> documented and true.
>>
>> There was a post on this group earlier today which
>> >gave some background on this chap. Quite an eye-opener.
>>
>> Complete fabrications from a troller, to stimulate interest probably.
>>
>> And as it turns out,
>> >this guy's apparent beef is with the "grandfathering" that occurred in
>> >Alberta after a bit of legislation was passed which essentially required all
>> >public accountants to hold some designation. I think it was in '86?
>>
>> It was in 1988, and did NOT force all accountants to join one of the 3
>> major accounting groups.
>>
>> >Anyway, as I stated in my first post, he's trolling, although in his case
>> >it's less of a troll, and more like slander and misrepresentation.
>>
>> You are incorrect, since TRUE facts and statements are neither..
>> >Kevin Drayson
>> >CGA Student



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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:18:20 -0400, "Kevin Drayson"
 wrote:
>chornaya@poccia.com wrote in message <36997b40.5216851@news.sprint.ca>...
>>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:08:57 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:31:56 -0400, Vernon Paige
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>someone@somewhere.com wrote:


>>>>>> I was referring to published documents, at public hearings, regarding
>>>>>> the 52 UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS, ADMITTED INTO CGA ALBERTA AS CGA'S,
>>>>>> WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE ANY EXAMS, ANY COURSES, ANY UPGRADING - the


>Folks, for those of you who perhaps haven't seen this post before (it seems
>to get reposted on a regular basis), this is a troll.


As the attached DETAILS confirm, this is actual fact. Perhaps YOu are
one of the unqualified bookkeepers, called a CGA??



Subject: BEWARE OF CGA CANADA!!!

Attention of: FENG  YIFEN, 
and others concerned about criminals in CGA Canada!!!


Further to previous news reports, the Past President of CGA Alberta,
William L. Mearns, has been sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison on his
conviction for embezzling from the County of Red Deer, Alberta.

PAST PRESIDENT CGA - CRIMINAL TRIAL  - GETS  3  1/2  YEARS
IMPRISONMENT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WARNING  RE  CGA  CANADA

OF  CONCERN  TO  ACCOUNTING   STUDENTS,  ACCOUNTANTS,  AND  THE
GENERAL  PUBLIC

CGA'S   IN   CANADA  -  WHAT'S   WRONG   WITH   THEM?

Over  the past year, national media have been filling the news with
stories of major scandals involving prominent CERTIFIED GENERAL
ACCOUNTANTS (CGA'S) in Canada.

In Alberta, the media have had a field day for the past year,
reporting on the fact that  a PAST PRESIDENT of CGA Alberta, an FCGA
and CGA, was under investigation, and eventually charged , and
convicted, with 14 serious criminal charges,

The  complaints  were  filed by the Hongkong Bank to the
RCMPCOMMERCIAL CRIME DIVISION.

The HK Bank was complaining about William Mearns,who had been for 12
years the Controller/Treasurer of the County of Red Deer, Alberta.

MEARNS WAS CHARGED WITH 14 SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES,  as reported
by CFRN-TV, the Edmonton Sun, and Red Deer Advocate. Among the charges
are 5 charges of uttering forged documents, another 5 charges of
making a false document, 2 more charges of forgery, one more charge of
fraud, and one of theft over $5,000.00.
  
MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS is reported to be missing.

At  his next Court appearance on 4th October 1996,  the third
adjournment requested by Mearns, he was convicted, and sentenced to  3
1/2  years  in  prison.

At the end of 1995, without any advice to the general public or EVEN
TO MEMBERS OF CGA ALBERTA, MEARNS WAS ALLOWED  TO SECRETLY  RESIGN
BOTH HIS CGA AND FCGA  designations. This seems to be a first for
Canada, where an FCGA surrenders what was supposed to be a prestigious
designation.  In the past year Mearns and one of his businesses have
both gone bankrupt.

Mind you, Mearns got his FCGA in connection with his work in
1987-1988, where he was involved with THE ADMISSSION TO CGA ALBERTA OF
UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS, WHO WERE GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION, WITHOUT
ANY REQUIREMENT FOR EDUCATION,QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, NO EXAMS or
even a requirement for upgrading courses to bring them up to an
acceptable standard.  CGA Alberta of course benefitted financially,
>from the huge increase in dues and fees from these new members.

The Vancouver Sun and other national media recently carried banner
headlines regarding ROMAN EVANCIC, another FCGA, who had got himself
SHOT!!!  This was apparently in connection with some business partner
and a collections problem. The news reported that the assailant said,
as he shot Evancic:" I'm from your stock brokers. I  understand you
ripped him off." (Vancouver Sun - 11 January 1996).

And don't forget the scandal exposed on national TV of the Surrey, BC
CGA convicted of embezzling millions of dollars from fellow
parishioners of his  church.

Are these published reports, as well as others, part of the reason
that the Maritime Provinces have successfully maintained that CGA's in
those provinces ARE  NOT  QUALIFIED to perform public audits? Could it
have something to do with the fact that an unqualified CGA from
Alberta could move to the Maritimes, and even though unqualified,
could still call himself  a CGA there?

As a result of all the bad publicity regarding  problem CGA's in
Canada, CGA Canada is  now desperately trying to recruit new members
>from the ignorant in  CHINA  and the Caribbean,
                           


Students of accounting in HK, CHINA and  the Caribbean,  who must pay
many   tens of thousands of dollars to obtain your designation, how do
you feel about these "gwaliau" who got the CGA for FREE?

Those of you concerned about credibility in the accounting profession
are invited to respond.


>Kevin Drayson
>kdrayson@nbnet.removeme.nb.ca



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On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:31:23 GMT, lewchuk@wichita.infi.net wrote:

>You are misinformed.  You unfortunately posted your lies on a site freqented
>by someone who knows the accounting climate in Alberta much more intimately
>than most.  The CGA's DID  LOSE... THAT IS WHY THEY do not HAVE AUDIT RIGHTS IN
>ALBERTA AND ARE MEMBERS OF THE JSD.


The response did not say they have no audit rights in Alberta.

They DO NOT have automatic audit rights for PUBLIC COMPANIES,
MUNICIPALITIES and similar.

The public hearing to determine their acceptability heard from the 2
other professional bodies, as well as dissenting CGA's, and also Prof.
Boritz - all of whom testified before Franz Slatter, Chairman.



>In article <36a45730.2438617@news.sprint.ca>,
>  sbarnesson88@zhid.fags.org wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:07:12 -0400, "Kevin Drayson"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Gramps wrote in message <369c8693.43760588@news.jaring.my>...
>> >>
>> >>If it is in print rather than verbal, it is libel rather than slander
>> >>and is actionablr in Canadian courts... if you can supply the
>> >>association with a means of identification, they should institute
>> >>action against him...
>> >
>> >I couldn't remember which was written. Commercial Law was last year ;-)
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Thanks for the clarification... I worked hard for my designation, am
>> >>quite proud of it and, though I have been retired for several years,
>> >>resent anyone casting aspersions upon a proud professional association
>> >>like ours...
>> >>
>> >>I am sure that, once you have your certificate hanging on the wall,
>> >>you will feel the same way...
>> >
>> >I already feel that way. Hence the nature of my posts. I was also
>> >open-minded enough (at first) to consider that the original poster had a
>> >valid complaint, despite the method and tone of his posts. I've since been
>> >convinced that he has "no case" as it were. If he had, I'm sure the CA's and
>> >CMA's would have brought the case before the Alberta legislature.
>>
>> In fact, the issue WAs presented to a public commission, to determine
>> whether CGA's in Alberta were qualified to prepare audits for public
>> companies. CGA's lost, based on testimony presented by CGA's, CA's,
>> and CMA's. Even Prof. Boritz, who had prepared the course of
>> instruction for CGA testified AGAINST CGA Alberta.
>>
>> All this is on the public record...
>>
>> >>Ray 'Gramps' Girven, fully retired...
>> >>
>> >>http://geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2599/
>> >>Most retirees have fixed incomes... mine's broke..
>> >
>> >Frankly, I'm hoping the whole thread will just die, now that some useful,
>> >unbiased information has come to light. I certainly have to plans to
>> >continue adding to it.
>> >
>> >Kevin Drayson
>> >CGA student
>> >
>>
>>
>
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On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:44:25 GMT, lewchuk@wichita.infi.net wrote:

>Kevin,	I know the accounting "climate" in Alberta better than most.  The
>joint CGA=University of Calgary degree had to be approved by the province of
>Alberta.  In fact, Premier Ralph Klien wrote a letter congratulating the
>Association and the University on such a progressive joint venture.  Of
>course,  there are MLA's are are CGA's.  This whole issue is absured.  Over
>the past 5 years the CGA's have upgraded their standards, the CA's have
>largely stood pat while the CMA's declined.  My last firm took a brief
>comparison of the 3 bodies.  I will give you an example of our findings...
>consolidations (FA4 in the CGA program).  (The CGA exams have comparable
>pass/fail rates with the CA's and slightly lower than the CMA's).  All three
>bodies rate topics on a scale of 1 to 3 (3 being least knowledgable, 1 being
>expertise).  The CA's rate consolidations a 1, the CGA's rate consolidations
>a 1, the CMA's rate consolidations a 3.  Generally, we found CGA's to be
>equal with CA's on technical accounting issues and ahead of CMA's.  I will
>challenge ANYONE on ACCOUNTING IN ALBERTA !!!




Since when is Wichita, Kansas in Canada?

The article relates to the UNQUALIFIED BOOKKEEPERS GIVEN THE CGA
DESIGNATION!!!


It is not really concerned with the CA's, or CMA's - who may or may
not be qualified.

It details the criminal activities of certain PROMINENT CGA's (now
ex-CGA), as well as expressing concern re the lack of upgrading, exams
or other qualifying standards for these inferiors. The only
requirement, as stipulated, was that these bookkeepers had to have
earned $25,000 from bookkeeping - WITHOUT ANY QUALIFICATIONS AS TO
COMPETENCY.





>In article <77jjg1$n7t$1@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca>,
>  "Kevin Drayson"  wrote:
>>
>> Gramps wrote in message <369c8693.43760588@news.jaring.my>...
>> >
>> >If it is in print rather than verbal, it is libel rather than slander
>> >and is actionablr in Canadian courts... if you can supply the
>> >association with a means of identification, they should institute
>> >action against him...
>>
>> I couldn't remember which was written. Commercial Law was last year ;-)
>>
>> >
>> >Thanks for the clarification... I worked hard for my designation, am
>> >quite proud of it and, though I have been retired for several years,
>> >resent anyone casting aspersions upon a proud professional association
>> >like ours...
>> >
>> >I am sure that, once you have your certificate hanging on the wall,
>> >you will feel the same way...
>>
>> I already feel that way. Hence the nature of my posts. I was also
>> open-minded enough (at first) to consider that the original poster had a
>> valid complaint, despite the method and tone of his posts. I've since been
>> convinced that he has "no case" as it were. If he had, I'm sure the CA's and
>> CMA's would have brought the case before the Alberta legislature.
>>
>> >
>> >Ray 'Gramps' Girven, fully retired...
>> >
>> >http://geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2599/
>> >Most retirees have fixed incomes... mine's broke..
>>
>> Frankly, I'm hoping the whole thread will just die, now that some useful,
>> unbiased information has come to light. I certainly have to plans to
>> continue adding to it.
>>
>> Kevin Drayson
>> CGA student
>>
>>
>
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On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:28:25 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!

>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:

>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.

>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>
>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>Canada!!!
>>
>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>
>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>
>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>
>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>
>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> >               letters?
>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>
>>
>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>Canada!!!
>>
>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>
>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>
>>
>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>
>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>c/o 
>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>Toronto, Ontario  
>>
>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>>
>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>cheque's memo section. 
>>
>>
>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>>
>>



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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 04:59:04 GMT, chorney@pocciya.com wrote:

>Your article is but one of many recently revealing JEW perfidy!!!
>
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>>      people.
>>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>>                                            irgun43
>
>>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 
>
>>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>>> in Israel. 
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
> 
>
>
>
>On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 03:15:27 GMT, moshefriedman@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>***************************
>>Traffickers' New Cargo:
>>Naive Slavic Women
>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>***************************
>
>>Ramle, Israel—Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>tops of tables.
>>
>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>eyes.
>>
>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>you and bring you back.”
>>
>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>the robust global economy.
>>
>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>
>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>into Western Europe alone.
>>
>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>
>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>really happen at all.”
>>
>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>
>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>
>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>
>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>
>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>
>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>are ubiquitous.
>>
>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>
>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>
>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>the violence that awaits them.
>>
>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>captors.
>>
>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>
>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>
>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>
>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>> time.”
>>
>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>very light.”
>>
>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>against the sale of human beings.
>>
>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>
>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>
>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>
>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>cell phone.
>>
>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>Soviet Union.
>>
>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>
>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>is all we need.”
>>
>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>routine part of her job.
>>
>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>
>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>
>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>
>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>become a matter of survival.
>>
>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>
>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>find to save themselves.
>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>
>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>
>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>
>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>
>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>arrested.”
>>
>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>
>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>
>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>employed illegally there now.
>>
>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>
>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>
>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>which had enslaved them.”
>>
>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>
>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>
>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>now.”
>>
>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>
>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>
>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>factory for no wages?”
>>
>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>
>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>I could ever get at home.”
>>
>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>
>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>
>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>
>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>
>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>
>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>
>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>
>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>
>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>laughed heartily.
>>
>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>
>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>
>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>documents are taken to prison.
>>
>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>
>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>
>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>protection program.
>>
>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>
>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>
>>
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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:20:55 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>Is this any less fraudulent than the Neil Sher case in the USA???

>Isn't this the same JEW charged with perjury in connection with the
>Demjanjuk case???

>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:13 GMT, Stefan Lemieszewski
> wrote:

>>The following forwarded CP article is posted at  the Ukrainian Archive
>>website under the caption "Neal Sher should be sent packing" at:

>>www.ukar.org

>>Neal Sher headed the U.S. Office of Special Investigations (OSI) of the
>>U.S. Department of Justice for many years. Recently, he was hired as a
>>consultant by Anne McLellan, the Canadian Justice Minister.
>>
>>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>April 28, 1998
>>
>>U.S. Nazi hunter admits he's under investigation for perjury
>>
>>OTTAWA (CP) — A top Nazi hunter hired to help Canada pursue suspected
>>war criminals is
>>under investigation for perjury by the Justice Department in the United
>>States.
>>
>>     Neal Sher, a Washington lawyer, told the Commons justice committee
>>Wednesday that he
>>is being investigated by the Office of Professional Responsibility, a
>>unit of the U.S. Justice Department that handles complaints about
>>attorneys.
>>
>>     The allegations date back to 1990 when Sher was director of the
>>U.S. Office of Special Investigations, which is responsible for hunting
>>Nazi war criminals in the United States.
>>
>>     The office has been accused of withholding evidence that might have
>>been helpful to the case of Andrija Artukovic, a California resident who
>>was extradited to Yugoslavia for war crimes during the Second World
>>War.  Sher said he has been assured that the allegations against him are
>>groundless, but no official verdict has been rendered.
>>
>>     John Sims, assistant deputy attorney general, said he was not aware
>>of the investigation when he hired Sher as a consultant to help the
>>federal government track down war criminals.
>>
>>     Sims said he found out about it a couple of days ago from a
>>colleague in his department.  He said he has not mentioned the fact to
>>Solicitor General Andy Scott.
>>
>>     Sher was summoned to appear before the committee at the request of
>>members who say they have been hearing concerns about his role and
>>background.
>>
>>     Conservative MP Peter MacKay said Sher should be dismissed from his
>>job advising the federal Justice Department.
>>
>>     "It's a little shocking to think that somebody that is being relied
>>on heavily by the Canadian government is himself under investigation for
>>potential — and I key on the word potential — frauds perpetrated on the
>>court," said McKay, a former Crown attorney.
>>
>>     "It comes as a bit of a disappointment that the Canadian government
>>didn't do their research first and have that knowledge themselves.  I
>>think he should be paid for his advice and sent packing."
>>
>>     Reform MP Jack Ramsay said he was surprised at Sher's statement
>>that allegations against him are unfounded.
>>
>>     "What I found interesting is that investigation is not over and yet
>>he knows the results of it at least in part."
>>
>>     Sims said Sher is working for the Justice Department two or three
>>days a month and gets paid $200 US per hour.  He said Sher's advice has
>>been helpful.
>>
>>     Much of the Sher's testimony before the committee dealt with his
>>role in the extradition from the United States of John Demjanjuk, who
>>was accused of being a Nazi death camp guard known as Ivan the Terrible.
>>
>>     Demjanjuk was eventually acquitted of war-crimes charges in Israel
>>and returned to Ohio.
>>
>>     Sher conceded there were errors in the handling of the case.  The
>>Canadian Jewish Conference issued a statement Wednesday strongly
>>endorsing Sher's engagement as a consultant.
>>
>>     "Examining the totality of Mr. Sher's career at the Office of
>>Special Investigations and after reveals a record of outstanding success
>>and energy in bringing alleged Nazi war criminals to the bar of
>>justice," the statement said.
>>
>
>On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:42:33 -0500, "Saabirah" 
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Ibrahim Dughlas-Gani wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>brother Ali, you should stop posting Neo-Nazi literature to usenet.  As a
>>>Muslim, you should have nothing to do with evil right wing scum.  Zionism
>>>itself may be evil, but Nazism and it's revived offspring are even worse.
>>>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>waSalaam
>>
>>Saabirah
>>



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:07:24 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:

>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...

>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.

>The Kastner Case

                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>                                The Verdict
>
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully.
>
>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>to Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>mislead the Jews.
>
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs
>.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>Jews.
>
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan.
>
>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>on the other hand.
>
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>affidavit given in favor of a war
>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." 
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>his Nazi 
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
> 
>The Reaction
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>criminal libel.
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>appeal filed.
>
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>
>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>                        
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>'collaboration'.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>Kastner. They joined him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>Jewish community.
>
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>many or should he disclose
>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>what was known to them and did not warn
>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>
>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>Silberg:
>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>judgements on the guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>thousands would have been able
>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>to a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>occupation.
>
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>proof of  evidence for this.
>
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>of events it throws retroactive
>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>on trial .
>
>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>
>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>murder trial).
>
>
>sven88



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An article that needs re-reading!!!


On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:45:45 GMT, sff@NOSPAM_lycosmail.com (SFF)
wrote:

>The World Jewish Congress, Edgar Bronfman and World Terrorism
>The letter was marked "Confidential" and began, "Saddam Hussein,
>Muammar Qadhafi and Hizbollah radicals hope that you will put this
>letter aside. You see, these terrorist thugs, and the countries that
>sponsor them, don't want to hear what the World Jewish Congress is
>doing to stop them...." After three pages of the well-worn spiel
>frightening Jews into lightening their fiscal load, we come upon the
>gratuitous stab at free Blacks: "Meanwhile in America, more and more
>people are on TV calling the Holocaust [sic] a `hoax'...and making
>wild accusations against `Zionist bankers' and `bloodsucking Jews' --
>as we saw with the televised interviews with Louis Farrakhan several
>months ago. And for every Farrakhan, we know of hundreds of
>lesserknown, BUT EQUALLY DANGEROUS, anti-Semitic leaders." Signed,
>Edgar M. Bronfman, president of the World Jewish Congress (WJC).
>What could a Bronfman mean by "dangerous"? Are these the same
>bootlegging Bronfmans who flooded America with bad whiskey during
>Prohibition, who later bought Seagrams, which has flooded the world
>with distilled poison ever since? Stephen Birmingham, author of The
>Rest of Us: The Rise of American Eastern European Jews wrote of those
>early Bronfman contributions to the American standard of living:
>"While real Scotch whiskey might be aged for two to twelve years,
>Bronfman Scotch could be aged in about two days....What no one
>noticed, either not even Sam Bronfman himself was that with this
>haphazard mixing of alcohol, real whiskey, and other ingredients,
>Bronfman was in the process of inventing a whole new category of
>alcoholic beverage: blended whiskey."1
>So, as The Honorable Louis Farrakhan suffered, struggled, sacrificed
>and dedicated his life to the infusion of life into a destroyed
>people, the Bronfman legacy, thus far, is blended whiskey. Jewish
>Mafioso Meyer Lansky's chief confederate, Lucky Luciano, put it like
>this, "Sam Bronfman was bootleggin' enough whiskey across the Canadian
>border to double the size of Lake Erie. It was no wonder that wags in
>the liquor trade were beginning to refer to Lake Erie as `the Jewish
>lake.'"2
>Headquartered in Montreal, The Seagram Company Ltd. employs 30,000
>people worldwide. Seagram's liquors are sold in more than 150
>countries and territories. Affiliates and joint ventures in 41
>countries comprise the largest distribution system in the spirits and
>wine industry. The Seagram entertainment/communications company, MCA
>Inc., makes motion pictures, television and home video products,
>publishes books, produces recorded music, and operates theme parks
>annually, with significant holdings in Time-Warner and Dupont. All
>tolled, these same Bronfmans who gross $6 billion are now begging the
>world for money to fight our leader, teacher and guide under the
>auspices of the World Jewish Congress.
>But, could Edgar Bronfman really be that concerned about terrorism?
>When one analyzes the figures compiled by the National Institute on
>Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), maybe Americans (and
>particularly Blacks) ought to be more concerned about Bronfman.
>According to NIAAA the estimated cost of alcohol abuse was $70.3
>billion in 1985 and an astounding $85.9 billion in 1988. The loss of
>productivity, expenditures on medical treatment, premature deaths and
>broken families are incalculable. As the largest purveyors of alcohol
>in the world, what part of this human tragedy can we attribute to the
>Bronfman liquor dynasty?
>
>Source:
>http://anon.proxy.anonymizer.com/http://www.blacksandjews.com/bronfman.html



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:29:43 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>On 13 Oct 1998 03:36:24 GMT,(Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:00:36 -0400,  wrote:
>>Hey Warr,

>>Get some new material. Fran Dresher you aint. Henny Youngman could do better
>>sleepwalking.

>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0200, "Rob"  wrote:
>
>>You are right!!!
>
>On 10 Oct 1998 18:46:42 GMT,  (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>
>JEWISH JOKES
>
>How was copper wiring invented?
>Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>
>
>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>They put parking meters on the roof!
>
>
>Why is money green?
>Because Jews pick it before it's ripe!
>
>
>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>Jew Jew Beans... Although I heard he enjoyed them "roasted!"
>
>
>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>A fur coat!
>
>
>Why don't Jews eat pork?
>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they're not!
>
>
>Why aren't Jews attacked by sharks?
>Professional courtesy!
>
>
>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>Let one in, and he'll keep the rest out.
>
>
>What's the Jewish version of foreplay?
>Half an hour of begging.
>
>
>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>She's the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>
>
>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>
>
>What's the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>
>
>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>Someone dropped a quarter!
>
>
>Why do Jews have such big noses?
>Because air is free.
>
>
>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>an
>affair?
>Who catered it?
>
>
>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>He breaks his nose.
>
>
>What's a Jewish dilemma?
>Free ham.
>
>
>What's the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>Nail polish.
>
>
>What's the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>An elephant eventually forgets.
>
>
>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>way,
>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>rubbed it, a
>Jewish genie appeared. "I'll give you two wishes," quipped
>the genie. "Far out," said the black man. "First, I want to be white,
>uptight,
>and out of sight!" Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>story:
>You can't get anything from a Jew without strings
>attached!
>
>
>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>Marry her!
>
>
>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>They want 20% off everything!
>
>
>What's the difference between between karate and judo?
>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>
>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>
>
>What's the definition of a queer Jew?
>Someone that likes girls more then money.
>
>
>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>A WHINE cellar.
>
>
>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>
>
>What's the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>A vulture waits until you're dead to eat your heart out!
>
>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==-----
>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based
>newsreading
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, "WaRR" 
>wrote:
>
>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>oil of no lay!!
>
>>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle's creed was
>>what fought rocky balboa.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>a toilet doesn't follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>
>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>it's called well i'll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman's waterbed?
>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>
>>=how was copper wire invented?
>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>
>>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>> because jewish women won't buy anything unless it's 20% off.
>
>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>a girl.
>
>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>=what's a jewish british princess' favorite wine?
>> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>she drops her nail file.
>
>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>
>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>jello moves when you eat it.
>
>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>she makes him beg for an hour.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>british princess?
>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>
>>=what's the difference between jews and canoes?
>>canoes tip.   ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>
>>=what's the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>pizzas don't scream when you put them in the oven.
>
>>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>>free ham.
>
>>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>a cash register.
>
>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>
>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>he only took tips.
>
>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>
>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>replied, "i'd draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>the other to me." the minister replied, "i'd draw a circle in
>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>outside for me." the rabbi's answer was, he wouldn't draw any
>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>
>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they're
>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. "ok," he says,
>>"but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>if you don't, you go straight to hell." after agreeing, they find
>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. "i can't help myself!" says the
>>italian... he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. "i can't
>>help myself!" he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>homosexual disappears.
>
>>yours truly
>
>>WaRR
>-88-
>



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>>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:32 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!

>>>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>>>wrote:

>>>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>>>phone or E-mail.
>>>>
>>>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>>>questions.
>>>>
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>>>
>>>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>>>
>>>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>
>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>Canada!!!
>>>>
>>>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>>>
>>>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>>>
>>>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>>>
>>>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>>>
>>>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>>>
>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>>
>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>
>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>
>>>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>
>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>
>>>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>
>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>
>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>>
>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>
>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>
>>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>
>>>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>
>>>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>
>>>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>
>>>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>
>>>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>
>>>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>>
>>>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>>>Canada!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>>>
>>>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>>>
>>>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>>>c/o 
>>>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>>>Toronto, Ontario  
>>>>
>>>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>>>>
>>>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>>>cheque's memo section. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>>>>
>>>>



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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>
>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>
>>>Katyn
>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>
>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant 
>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a 
>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust." 
>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it. 
>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more 
>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them 
>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in 
>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers 
>>>during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the 
>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato, 
>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S. 
>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in 
>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for 
>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the 
>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried 
>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the 
>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>
>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against 
>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the 
>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing 
>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>
>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket 
>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their 
>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of 
>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that 
>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to 
>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness 
>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>
>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large 
>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting 
>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able 
>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened 
>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray 
>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as 
>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on 
>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example, 
>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army 
>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to 
>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans 
>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>of Poland.
>>>
>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they 
>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war? 
>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg 
>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably 
>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the 
>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why 
>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the 
>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered 
>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>in 1940.
>>>
>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and 
>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the 
>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which 
>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The 
>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets 
>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly 
>>>along the River Bug.
>>>
>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared 
>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's 
>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union, 
>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in 
>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass 
>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the 
>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course, 
>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was 
>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>
>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish 
>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as 
>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in 
>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing 
>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of 
>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and 
>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933 
>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where 
>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the 
>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to 
>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of 
>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the 
>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany 
>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>
>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France. 
>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could 
>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however, 
>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did 
>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to 
>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his 
>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the 
>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined 
>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though 
>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>
>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other 
>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin 
>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in 
>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed 
>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through 
>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into 
>>>Russia.
>>>
>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near 
>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from 
>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners 
>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly 
>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local 
>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as 
>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is 
>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had 
>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, 
>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been 
>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American 
>>>FBI.
>>>
>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and 
>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each 
>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the 
>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than 
>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other 
>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans 
>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in 
>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various 
>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in 
>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest. 
>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to 
>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to 
>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from 
>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The 
>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to 
>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most 
>>>of them did.
>>>
>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish 
>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and 
>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets 
>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet 
>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had 
>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly 
>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had 
>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put 
>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk, 
>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one 
>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>
>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard 
>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were 
>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As 
>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human 
>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the 
>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better 
>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that 
>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful 
>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist 
>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them 
>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia, 
>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>
>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had 
>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because 
>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the 
>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the 
>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at 
>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the 
>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish 
>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish 
>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and 
>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be 
>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill 
>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken 
>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off 
>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been 
>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn 
>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were 
>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the 
>>>killings.
>>>
>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison 
>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks 
>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands 
>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit. 
>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol 
>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had 
>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what 
>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were 
>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed, 
>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered 
>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of 
>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and 
>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was 
>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>
>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the 
>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest 
>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed; 
>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not 
>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies 
>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the 
>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal 
>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same 
>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from 
>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940, 
>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported 
>>>back to their governments.
>>>
>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American 
>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet 
>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was 
>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to 
>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide 
>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union 
>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>
>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who 
>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the 
>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had 
>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by 
>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York 
>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles! 
>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and 
>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other 
>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of 
>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the 
>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and 
>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>
>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in 
>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not 
>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free 
>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill 
>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't 
>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish 
>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have 
>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been 
>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have 
>>>decided.
>>>
>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years 
>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with 
>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the 
>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is 
>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into 
>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the 
>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies 
>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is 
>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre 
>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of 
>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It 
>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>
>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western 
>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The 
>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from 
>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the 
>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to 
>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis, 
>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation. 
>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx, 
>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars 
>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who 
>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with 
>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and 
>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland, 
>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>feeling.
>>>
>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is 
>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have 
>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they 
>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have 
>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them. 
>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart, 
>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media 
>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media. 
>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and 
>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>
>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews 
>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold 
>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the 
>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To 
>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com 
>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message. 
>>>
>>>++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>American Renaissance
>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>
>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>
>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>
>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>
>>>National Alliance
>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>
>>>Stormfront
>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>
>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>
>>>
>>>



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:39:41 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:06:52 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." 
>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> North Shore News
>>>>> February 2, 1997
>>>>> 
>>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>>> Doug Collins
>>>>> 
>>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>>> wonder why?
>>>
>>>	Actually Riggs 'study' was reported in the L.A.Times and in some
>>>Texas newspapers were he is from. To set and maintain the record, here
>>>is a report on the L.A.Times version posted to alt.revisionism at the
>>>time. The reason it found it's way into so many papers is because the
>>>subject is supposed to portray the Jews as awesome military heroes.
>>>Rigg's study is more the result of fantasy than academic research. It
>>>was said he might write a book or something, but then don't count on
>>>it. It ain't happened yet. It would expose his stuff to verification
>>>and he (they) are relying on people holding the notions just from what
>>>was in the newspapers.
>>>
>>>	Intitially posted under "Super Jews in Hitler's Army".
>>>
>>>	              "The Jews in Hitler's Military"
>>>
>>>                       L.A.Times, Dec. 24, 1996
>>>
>>>"A young American is 
>>>documenting the stories 
>>>of Hundreds of German 
>>>veterans of Jewish descent. 
>>>Many lost family to the 
>>>Holocaust while serving the 
>>>Nazi regime."
>>>
>>>LONDON--"Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>mission, American Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no
>>>man's land of Holocaust history.
>>>	Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish descent ... who
>>>served ...during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million
>>>Jews. 
>>>	'Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the
>>>Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the military but at the same time
>>>exterminated their families.'
>>>	On a heady journey of personal and professional discovery, the 25
>>>year old Texan ... interviewed more than 300 of these veterans ...
>>>Passed along from one old soldier to another, he has crisscrossed
>>>Germany 4 times ...
>>>	Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1200
>>>of Hilter's soldiers including two field marshalls and 10 generals,
>>>men commanding up to 100,000, ..."
>>>
>>>[ That and the next line is the beginning of the real motive for the
>>>story and why it would find it's way into the L.A.Times, the Judeo
>>>supremacy publication. ]
>>>
>>>"In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the
>>>Knight's Cross, Germany's highest honor, he said."
>>>
>>>	"This fall, Rigg, Yale '96, arrived at England Cambridge
>>>University ... lugging his clothes ... documentation ... Jonathan
>>>Steinberg, Cambridge historian, read Rigg's files and hurried to find
>>>a safe place for them.
>>>
>>>[[ Here we have a Jewish holding to the papers as dear. This would
>>>indicate he thought they had something beneficial. ]]
>>> 
>>>	Along the way, Rigg, who is of German extraction and was raised
>>>as a Protestant, has discovered that he too has Jewish ancestry. Like
>>>many of the families he has visited, Rigg had distant relatives who
>>>were killed for being Jewish--and others who died fighting in battle
>>>for Nazi Germany."
>>>
>>>[ I would say if Rigg's was confronted with a demand to stand
>>>accountable to show his Jewish ancestry and to prove any events they
>>>lived through it would result in some real embarrassment. Its all too
>>>pat.
>>>
>>>One of the more obvious points of this article reveals the racial
>>>aspect of Judaism. ]
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>	The article being more than a half page long I will just cite the
>>>relevant parts that throw suspicion on the accounts, the racist
>>>connection and the reason it found it's way into the L.A.Times - to
>>>hype Jewish supremacy.
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>	"Many of the men Rigg meets cling to Nazi terminology, describing
>>>themselves as half Jewish, half German."
>>>
>>>[ Here we have the term "half Jewish" being designated "Nazi
>>>terminology" when in fact it is a term used by Jews themselves and has
>>>been referred to many times in medias and even movies. Not to mention
>>>it is used to designate the racial status of any one else, 'half
>>>Black', 'half Irish', etc.
>>>
>>>The article does not lead to any evidential conclusion that any of the
>>>Germans are half Jewish. It seems more like they would be quarter or
>>>even eighth Jewish. ]
>>>	   		
>>>	"One of his discoveries was a 1944 German document listing 77
>>>high ranking officers 'of mixed Jewish race or married to a Jew'. Two
>>>generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals and 23
>>>colonels."
>>>
>>>[ It doesn't say how many were of "Jewish race" or how many were those
>>>who were connected by marriage so we are to assume all of them. ]
>>>
>>>	"'I don't think it ever occurred to go to a general's personal
>>>file to see if he was Jewish', said Steinberg".
>>>
>>>[ Not bothering to consider the ones that were just married to a Jew.]
>>>
>>>
>>>	"... Hitler loathed Jews, but he also needed experienced
>>>commanders and fighters". 
>>>
>>>[ So under the circumstances, there just wasn't enough to draw from
>>>the measly German genetic stock for "experienced" "commanders" and
>>>"fighters". ]
>>>
>>>	"He (Rigg's) said there were at least a dozen exception lists
>>>approved by Hitler--naming ranking officials not only in the armed
>>>forces but in the civilian administration that worked with military.
>>>One German civilian of Jewish heritage ..."
>>>
>>>[ "One ,,,"  "German civilian" of "Jewish heritage"? ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"In interviews and research in Germany this month, Rigg found
>>>still more Wehrmacht officers of Jewish descent ..." 
>>>
>>>[ More "officers" of Jewish "decent".  Another thing that is evident
>>>in the article is glorifying Jewish descent as if it was the only
>>>descent of value to speak of. We can take note that the ones found on
>>>the list are "officers". ]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"One Knight's Cross winner was reunited with his Jewish father in
>>>England ..."
>>>
>>>[ This is the first of three or four times the article mentions
>>>"Jewish father". No where does it mention a Jewish mother, which is a
>>>necessary technicality in the Jewish race to be rated a Jew. In fact
>>>the only name mentioned in the whole article as being high ranking is
>>>Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who had a Jewish father".]
>>>
>>>	"Rigg also brought to light to folklore surrounding the
>>>derring-do rescue ... Rigg has identified him as bayonet scarred,
>>>bemedaled, Maj. Ernst Bloch ... whose father was Jewish."
>>>
>>>[ The significance here of course is the "... derring-do ... Jewish
>>>father" connection.]
>>>
>>>	....
>>>
>>>	"About 100,000 Jews served in the German army in World War I, and
>>>about 12,000 of them were killed."
>>>
>>>	[ Now here would be very good place to start to look into Rigg's
>>>project. Here we have "100,000" Jews said to have served in the German
>>>army during World War I whereas Holocaust accounts have it that only
>>>300,000 Jews, all together, were in Germany prior to World War II.
>>>Considering the age, sex aspect of any particular people, we would
>>>have to recognize that if there were 100,000 German Jews fighting in
>>>WWII there would be at least a million in all. It is so typical with
>>>Holocaust/Jewish propaganda to have their facts and figures step all
>>>over each other. Whatever, this is a real blunder. ]
>>>
>>>	(The WWI) "...Veterans thought their service would protect them
>>>against the Nazi crackdown ... When the transports came ... Some even
>>>went to the gas chamber with their medals on."
>>>
>>>[ Okay, we see again we have a heroic lot here with "medals". How
>>>Rigg's came to find out how any of them went to the gas chambers, much
>>>less with their medals on should be very interesting. Especially since
>>>he says "some". If he had said 'one' this is something we could accept
>>>as being in the realm of a possibility, but with the "some", well too
>>>wayout. This is another one of those wacky yarns like all the rest of
>>>the Holocaust eyewitness testimonies, which we must assume would be
>>>the source for Rigg's blurt. 
>>>
>>>Since Holocaust accounts have the people were made to strip naked, we
>>>can muse over how the heroic Jews came to still have their medals on.
>>>
>>>How did Riggs come to get involved with the project? ]] 
>>>
>>>	"Rigg's quest began at Yale, when he started researching his
>>>family history in Germany. First he learned that his
>>>great-grandparents, who arrived as Protestants, had been born in
>>>Germany as Jews."
>>>
>>>[ Since then he has focused his identity on the two Jews from a
>>>hundred years ago, and nothing in between seems to matter. Is it fact?
>>>Who knows. ]
>>>
>>>	"Then one night in 1992, he went to see 'Europa, Europa', a film
>>>about a Jewish adolescent who hid out in the German army during World
>>>War II. After the movie, Rigg's struck a conversation with an elderly
>>>German Jew... and he listened until morning"
>>> 
>>>[ Now there we have a revealing particular of how he came to be
>>>involved. The old man stayed up all night? ] 
>>>	  
>>>	So far it seems Rigg's has not written a book on the subject or
>>>released any details of his story, so the world will have to wait
>>>before anyone can go over the routes of his research. And perhaps
>>>there may never be any. There are just to many problems to cover up
>>>with this latest bravado.
>>>
>>>	On top of it all the Judeo/Holocaust propaganda is further
>>>compromised when trying to fit all the talk about "Jewish", "field
>>>marshalls", "generals" and medal winners in with something like Daniel
>>>Goldhagen's book, 'Ordinary Germans, Hitler's Willing Executioners"
>>>which strives to show all the Germans, and especially high ranking
>>>military people knew about and willingly contributed to the
>>>exterminations of millions of Jews.
>>>     
>>>	It's funny how Holocaust accounts stampede all over themselves
>>>and all over each other.	
>>>
>>>	In another twist, this article and thus Rigg's, seem to strive to
>>>show and glorify Jews by claiming high position and heroic
>>>accomplishment in the very German machine the Holocaust story works so
>>>hard at portraying as evil.
>>>
>>>	Well, when it comes to selling Jewish supremacy, anything goes.
>>>
>>>	When looking at the picture of Rigg's, I can see blind ambition,
>>>the boy next door, and I think of that long talk he had into the wee
>>>hours of the morning with the German Jew.
>>>
>>>	If ever Rigg's does publish a paper with documentation to support
>>>his claims of the awesome heroics it will be subject to investigation.
>>>And, if he never does publish a paper for public scrutiny we can
>>>wonder about that. ]] 



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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:22:24 GMT, ianl@nospam.curie.dialix.com.au (Ian
Lowery) wrote:

>
>Extending himself to his intellectual linit, 
>koyvay@nazikor.org wrote this:
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:06:25 GMT, doctor_tavish@tavish-central.net
(Dr. Reginald H. C. McTavish) wrote:


X-NO-ARCHIVE: YES

Subject: Communism and Its Sources- Visit This Soviet Archive

You must visit:
http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html

Once there try all "exhibits" but if you really want an eye-opener try
this exhibit:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html

You will see as an opener the following:

"The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
military through media propaganda -- as well as through personal
contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
support for the Soviet war effort.

The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC's
newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
[see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il'ia Ehrenburg,
General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.

A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military....."

Footnote:

The BUND:

In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
III, pp 824-827).

In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth century,
not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews had been
attracted to the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883),
partly, it seems, because he was Jewish in origin.
"On both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was
descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew.
Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).

Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
regulations designed, after the murder of Alexander II,
To curb the anti-government activities of Jews;
consequently, the " reaction to those excesses was
Jewish support of the Bolsheviks. . ."(Univ. Jew. Encyc.,
Vol. I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy since
the predecessor organization of Russian Communism was the
Jewish "Bund." Thus Marxian Communism, modified for
expediency, became an instrument for the violent seizure
of power. The Communist Jews, together with revolutionaries
of Russian stock, were sufficiently numerous to give the
venture a promise of success, if attempted at the right
time. After the rout of the less violent faction in 1917,
when Russia was staggering under defeat by Germany -- a
year before Germany in turn staggered to defeat under the
triple blows of Britain, France, and the United States.

Thus under Lenin, whose birth-name was Ulianov and whose
racial antecedents are uncertain, and under Leon Trotsky,
a Jew, whose birth -name was Bronstein, a small number of
highly trained Jews from abroad, along with Russian
Judaized Khazan and non-Jewish captives to the Marxian
ideology, were able to make themselves masters of Russia.
"Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played
a conspicuous part in the revolution of November, 1917,
which enabled the Bolshevists to take possession of the
state apparatus" (Univ. Jew. Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here
and there in the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia other Jews
are named as co-founders of Russian Communism, but not Lenin
and Stalin. Both of these, however, are said by some
writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial antecedents
of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the
Communist movement was well understood in Russia. "The
White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik government linked
Jews and Bolsheviks as common enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc.,
 Vol. I, p. 336).

                   ------END OF POST-------


Check out this link:

http://www.emf.net/~cheetham/kcousm-1.html

This is one of the links from above. This is the Spartacist League,
which was the Communist group that was waging a take over of Germany
during the 1920s. They were Trotskyites! Most of these are from the
Oakland and Berkeley areas.

http://www.emf.net/~cheetham/gspsue-1.html

Here is one of the University's faculty "speaking" on Communism:

http://violet.berkeley.edu/~iir/people/faculty/karabel/index.html

Another University praises Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnamese Communist
movement and please notice the links back to Berkeley:

http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~eemoise/commpre.html

A known poster in this news group often uses a quote by Emma Goldman
in her sig line. Again using the Marxist infested Berkeley campus
resources you can learn of this "Commie Babe Goldman":

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Goldman/

All of the above should give excellent insight as to what major
universities are teaching our nation's youth. If you have been
convinced that Communism and its tenants are dead then you
have been duped!

John Davis

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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:22:24 GMT, ianl@nospam.curie.dialix.com.au (Ian
Lowery) wrote:

>
>Extending himself to his intellectual linit, 
>koyvay@nazikor.org wrote this:
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:16:47 GMT, cohend@kammer.com wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:11:26 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>>>And never forget that the KGB was established by the cursed Polish JEW
>>>>>DZERZHINSKI!!!

>>>>>Never forget that the KATYN murders were by the JEW-led Soviet KGB!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And don't forget the murders of the UN troops in Lebanon by the JEWS;
>>>>>
>>>>>And don't  forget the genocide of the unarmed civilians at the Q'ana
>>>>>refugee camp by the damn Israelis.
>>
>>
>>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:05 -0700, Clancy
>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> And don't forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>>>> Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>>>> gangster!!!
>
>>>>>>Zionist  terrorist acts from 1939-1996 - part I
>>>>>
>>>>>>1939 
>>>>>>Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa palestine. Moshe Dayan was one of 
>>>>>>the participant in this act. The technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.
>>>>>
>>>>>>August 20, 1937-June 29, 1939
>>>>>>During this period, Zionist carrtied out a series of attacks against Arab buses, 
>>>>>>resulting in the seath of 24 persons and wonding 25 others. They are the Master of 
>>>>>>killing people on buses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nov.25, 1940
>>>>>>S.S. Patria blown up by Jewish Terrorists in Haifa Harbor, Killing 268 illegal Jewish 
>>>>>>immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nov. 6 1944
>>>>>>Zionist Terrorist of Stern gang* assassinated the British Minister Resident in the 
>>>>>>Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
>>>>>
>>>>>>July 22, 1946
>>>>>>Zionist Terrorist blew up the King david Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central 
>>>>>>offices of the civilian administarion of the Governemnt of Palestine, Killing and 
>>>>>>injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun gangs claimed responsibility for this 
>>>>>>criminal act, but subsequentevidence indicated that boith the Haganah and the Jewish 
>>>>>>Agency were involved.
>>>>>
>>>>>>October 1, 1946
>>>>>>The british Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by a bomb explosions, for which Irgun 
>>>>>>cliam responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>>>June 1947
>>>>>>Letters sent to British Cabnit Minister were found to contain Bombs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>September 3, 1947
>>>>>>A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting 
>>>>>>room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs.( The  
>>>>>>Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8
>>>>>
>>>>>>December 11, 1947
>>>>>>Six Arabs were kiled and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab 
>>>>>>buses in haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and anothers injured in an attack by armed 
>>>>>>Zionist on Arab coastal village near Haifa.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 13 1947
>>>>>>Zionist terrorist believed to be memeber of Irgun Zvia Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and 
>>>>>>wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda Area. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown 
>>>>>>in an Arab market-place near Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab 
>>>>>>cafe; in the Arab village of Al Yahudia near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack 
>>>>>>with mortars and automatic weapons.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 19, 1947
>>>>>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the 
>>>>>>ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah 
>>>>>>admitted responsibility for the attack.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 29, 1947
>>>>>>Two British contables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus 
>>>>>>Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun Jews threw a bomb from a taxi.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 30, 1947
>>>>>>A mixed forces of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village 
>>>>>>of Ballad al Shaikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>1947-1948
>>>>>>Over 700,000 Plaestine Arabs were uprooted from their beloved homes and land in 
>>>>>>Palestine; since than have been denied the right to return or been given compensation 
>>>>>>for their property. After their expolsion, the "Zionist Israel terrorist Armies" 
>>>>>>razed to the ground 385 Arabs villages ad towns out of a total of 475, ands 
>>>>>>oblitrated their remains. These Are "The GOD Chosen People" who commit murder in the 
>>>>>>name of Judiasm.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 1, 1948
>>>>>>Haganah terrorists attacked attacked a village on the slop of mount Camel; 17 Arabs 
>>>>>>were killed and 33 were wounded.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 4, 1948
>>>>>>Haganah terrorist wearing British Army Uniform penetrated into the center of Jaffa 
>>>>>>and blew up the Serai(the old Turkish Governemnt House) which was used as a 
>>>>>>headqaurter of the Arab national Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 
>>>>>>98 others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 5, 1948 
>>>>>>The Arab-owned semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blowm up, killing 20 persons, among 
>>>>>>them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this 
>>>>>>outrage.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 7, 1948
>>>>>>seventeen Arabs were kjilled by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them 
>>>>>>while trying to escape. further casualties, including the murder of a British officer 
>>>>>>near Hebron, were reported from different part of the country.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jan. 16, 1948
>>>>>>Zionists blew up three Arabs building. in the first, 8 children between the ages of 
>>>>>>18 month and 12 years, died.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 13, 1947- February 10, 1948
>>>>>>seven incident of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilian in cafe and markets, killing 
>>>>>>138 and wounding 271 others. during this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. 
>>>>>>Zionist mind passenger trains on at least 4 occasions killing 93 persons and wounding 
>>>>>>161 others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Feb. 15 1948
>>>>>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, 
>>>>>>killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
>>>>>
>>>>>>March 3, 1948
>>>>>>Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa(a 7 story block of 
>>>>>>flat and shops) by zionist who drove an army lorry uo to the building and escaped 
>>>>>>before the detonation of 400 lb. of explosive; casualties numbered 11 Arabs ans 3 
>>>>>>Armanians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Jewish Gang claimed responsibility of the 
>>>>>>crime.
>>>>>
>>>>>>March 22, 1948
>>>>>>A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 
>>>>>>others. Four memeber of the Stern Jewish Gang drove two lorry-loaded of explosive 
>>>>>>into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosive.
>>>>>
>>>>>>March 31, 1948
>>>>>>The Cairo_Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month by an 
>>>>>>electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 
>>>>>>others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 9, 1948
>>>>>>A combined forces of Irgun Zvai Leumi and ther Stern Jewish Gang, supported by the 
>>>>>>Palmach forces captured the Arab village of Deir Yassine and killed than 200 unarmed 
>>>>>>civilians, including countless women and childern. Older men and young women were and 
>>>>>>paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were than 
>>>>>>shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 16, 1948
>>>>>>Zionist attacked the former British army camp at tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs 
>>>>>>there.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 19 1948
>>>>>>Fourteen arabs were killed in a hous in Tiberias which was blown up by Zionist 
>>>>>>terrorist Jews.
>>>>>
>>>>>>May 11, 1948
>>>>>>A letter Bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Baker, former commanding Officer in Plaestine, 
>>>>>>was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 25, 1948- may 13, 1948
>>>>>>Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and 
>>>>>>Haganah Terrorist Jews. They stripped and carried away everything they could, 
>>>>>>destroying what they could not take with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sept. 17 1948
>>>>>>Count Folk Bernadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by memeber of the 
>>>>>>Stern Jewish Gang in the Zionist controlled sector of Jerusalem. Bernadotte's aide 
>>>>>>Col. serot was also killed and murdered by Jewish terrorist.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nov. 1948
>>>>>>The Arab village of Iqrit and Birim were attacked and destroyed, killing and injuring 
>>>>>>countless unarmed Arabs, including women and children. All the Arabs were forcibly 
>>>>>>expelled from their homes and mother land Palestine, Know today as the artificial 
>>>>>>state of zionist Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 14 Apr 1998 17:11:47 GMT, bushbadee@aol.com (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article , "peter" 
>>>>>>writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the JEW media in the US have repeatedly documented the camps
>>>>>>>>where the cursed JEWs are imprisoning many thousands of innocent
>>>>>>>>Palestinians, both within Israel, and also in occupied Lebanon!!!
>>>>>>>>Don't you even believe the JEWISH media??/
>>>>>
>>>>>>The only ones cursed are you Polish Catholics and that is for the Muder of
>>>>>>Jesus the Christ which your ancesstors did 2000 years ago,
>>>>>>It was a Polish Mercinary in the Roman Army who drove the nails into his arms.
>>>>>>For that all poles are doomed and cursed to forever be the butt of Polish Jokes
>>>>>>and to suffer terminal stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Forever another  stain on Poland and the Polish people.
>>>>>>And you are damn right.
>>>>>>Ask a Jew from Poland what he is and he will say " A Jew " and not a Pollack.
>>>>>>My farther would never tell any one he was from POland, It is a thing to be
>>>>>>ashamed of and few want to admit it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No wonder honest people of Poland dislike the foul JEWS!!!
>>>>>



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On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:28:25 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!

>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:

>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.

>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>
>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>Canada!!!
>>
>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>
>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>
>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>
>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>
>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> >               letters?
>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>
>>
>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>Canada!!!
>>
>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>
>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>
>>
>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>
>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>c/o 
>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>Toronto, Ontario  
>>
>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>>
>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>cheque's memo section. 
>>
>>
>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>>
>>



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On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:53:10 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote:

>The news article has been recorded by the Seattle Times newspaper in
>the USA, as well as the Telegraph in Britain, as cited in prior
>articles.

>If you can read, then just visit their websites and see the original
>texts.


>On 26 Apr 1998 06:12:59 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>>Second: your reference material presumably written by certain 
>>Brian Rigg does not show during search of Internet libraries.
>>Provide detailed information on your "professor" and the "book",
>>including the publisher and the year.
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
>
>
>>>
Subject: Re: How Many Jews Really Died??
>>>From: omerta@casanostra.com
>>>Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 22:34 EDT
>>>On 25 Apr 1998 16:44:07 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>>>First of all, how do you know how many Jews served in the Reich military
>>>under
>>>>Hitler?
>
>>>Read the referenced articles detailed, from records of the Wehrmacht,
>>>researched by a British professor, among others, and well reported
>>>worldwide.
>
>>>Perhaps instead of making racial ad hominem comments, you may wish to
>>>comment directly on the points documented??
>
>>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>
>
>>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand  wrote:
>>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>
>>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>
>>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>>be.
>
>>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>
>>>>"All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren't
>>>>counted by any census - simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>>anybody who couldn't present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>>million? We will never know."
>
>>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>
>>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>
>>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>>persons died--e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>
>>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>
>>>sperati wrote: 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
> 
>>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>
>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>> North Shore News
>>>> February 2, 1997
>
>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>> Doug Collins
>
>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>
>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>
>>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>
>>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>
>>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>
>>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> more. The research is continuing.
>
>>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> alive.
>
>>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>
>>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>
>>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
> 
>>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> documents in the process.
> 
>>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>
>>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>
>>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>
>>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>
>>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
> 
>>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> was a Jew.
>
>>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>
>>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>
>>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
> 
>>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
> 
>>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>
>>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> plotting against Hitler.
>
>>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>
>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> wonder why?
>
>>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:

>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998

>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 04:59:04 GMT, chorney@pocciya.com wrote:

>Your article is but one of many recently revealing JEW perfidy!!!
>
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>>      people.
>>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>>                                            irgun43
>
>>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 
>
>>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>>> in Israel. 
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
> 
>
>
>
>On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 03:15:27 GMT, moshefriedman@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>***************************
>>Traffickers' New Cargo:
>>Naive Slavic Women
>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>***************************
>
>>Ramle, Israel—Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>tops of tables.
>>
>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>eyes.
>>
>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>you and bring you back.”
>>
>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>the robust global economy.
>>
>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>
>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>into Western Europe alone.
>>
>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>
>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>really happen at all.”
>>
>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>
>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>
>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>
>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>
>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>
>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>are ubiquitous.
>>
>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>
>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>
>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>the violence that awaits them.
>>
>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>captors.
>>
>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>
>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>
>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>
>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>> time.”
>>
>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>very light.”
>>
>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>against the sale of human beings.
>>
>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>
>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>
>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>
>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>cell phone.
>>
>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>Soviet Union.
>>
>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>
>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>is all we need.”
>>
>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>routine part of her job.
>>
>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>
>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>
>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>
>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>become a matter of survival.
>>
>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>
>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>find to save themselves.
>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>
>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>
>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>
>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>
>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>arrested.”
>>
>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>
>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>
>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>employed illegally there now.
>>
>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>
>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>
>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>which had enslaved them.”
>>
>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>
>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>
>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>now.”
>>
>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>
>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>
>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>factory for no wages?”
>>
>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>
>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>I could ever get at home.”
>>
>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>
>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>
>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>
>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>
>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>
>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>
>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>
>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>
>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>laughed heartily.
>>
>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>
>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>
>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>documents are taken to prison.
>>
>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>
>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>
>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>protection program.
>>
>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>
>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>
>>
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On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:15:27 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.org wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>>Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.
>>
>>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler's knowledge and approval.
>>
>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops."
>>
>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's
>>Cross.
>>
>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.''
>>
>>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).
>>
>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.



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On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:44:10 GMT, kahaneken@nazikor.niz.org wrote:
>On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, nikst@glasnet.ru wrote:

>>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300

>>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998

>>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust

>>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>>Contributing Foreign Editor

>>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show 
>>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, 
>>the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly 
>>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be 
>>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>>
>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent
>>farmers - called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>>crush Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
>>
>> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from 
>>Moscow
>>- earlier versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian
>>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>>
>>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, 
>>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not 
>>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin 
>>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death - mass
>>starvation.
>>
>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>>confiscated from Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator
>>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>>
>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and 
>>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, 
>>cold and sickness.
>>
>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. 
>>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 
>>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were 
>>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped 
>>supervise the slaughter.
>>
>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, 
>>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant 
>>children.
>>
>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's
>>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>>The KGB's archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at 
>>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine 
>>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was 
>>exterminated.
>>
>>Millions of victims
>>
>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>>million war dead.
>>
>>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, 
>>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame 
>>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. 
>
>When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
>
>
>As a direct
>>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>>region's innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>
>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>>Europe's Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's 
>>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, 
>>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world's gaze. But 
>>Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a 
>>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the 
>>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>
>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 
>>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not 
>>see one under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent
>>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>>wrote claims of famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million 
>>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New 
>>York Times has never repudiated Duranty's lies.
>>
>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>>and historical roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime -
>>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>>theology.
>>
>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they 
>>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who 
>>Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle Joe," murdered four times more people 
>>than Adolf Hitler.
>>
>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and 
>>enjoying a generous state pension.
>>
>>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: margolis@foreigncorrespondent.com.
>>
>>Letters to the editor should be sent to: editor@sunpub.com.
>
>
>It seems that even a respected jewish author/writer is admitting that
>it was the JEWS with the CHEKA/forerunners of the KGB who murdered
>more than 25 million Ukrainians!!!



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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote:

>>If there were so many JEWs in the Germa