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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:27 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:52:15 -0400, "[Unknown sender]"
> wrote:
>
>>Hide your crimes behind the holohoax!
>>
>>Date: Monday, 22-Dec-97 06:45 PM
>>
>>Subject: 6 Indicted in Fraud Over Use of Grants for Hasidic Groups
>>
>>   Excerpt:
>>
>>   The Federal subpoenas are "...remindful of the Holocaust that many in
>>   this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   By BENJAMIN WEISER N.Y. Times May 29, 1997 (Metro section only)
>>
>>   NEW YORK -- Five members of a Hasidic community in Rockland County and
>>   one in Brooklyn were indicted Wednesday on charges that they
>>   systematically defrauded the federal and state governments of tens of
>>   millions of dollars in student loans, business assistance and housing
>>   subsidies.
>>
>>   In one scheme, according to federal prosecutors, a Talmudic seminary in
>>   Brooklyn was financed almost entirely by federal Pell grants awarded to
>>   ineligible or nonexistent students. The defendants also looted state
>>   student aid programs, Small Business Administration programs and the
>>   federal Section 8 housing program, prosecutors said.
>>
>>   The plans, the authorities said, were used to enrich the defendants but
>>   also to benefit the community institutions of New Square, the Rockland
>>   County village, along with the yeshiva in New Square.
>>
>>   In a broad indictment unsealed Wednesday in Manhattan, the U.S.
>>   attorney's office depicted a vast scheme by which the six men and others
>>   enrolled thousands of New Square and Brooklyn residents in post-secondary
>>   education programs in Jewish seminaries and Rockland County Community
>>   College in order to fraudulently obtain money through federal Pell
>>   grants, which are awarded to needy post-secondary students.
>>
>>   The indictment said that most of the students were not eligible for the
>>   grants, did not get their degrees and, in some cases, enrolled after
>>   recruiters promised them hundreds of dollars a year. Prosecutors said
>>   that one Brooklyn seminary program fraudulently got $10.3 million in Pell
>>   grants "on behalf of its purported students."
>>
>>   The government's investigation has been no secret in the tightly knit
>>   community of about 6,000 in New Square, which consists almost entirely of
>>   Hasidim. News of the indictment drew sharp criticism there Wednesday. A
>>   statement by village representatives contended that the U.S. attorney in
>>   Manhattan, Mary Jo White, had a "vendetta" against New Square residents,
>>   and that federal agents had earlier scared small children there by
>>   serving subpoenas at 6 a.m. "in a manner remindful of the Holocaust that
>>   many in this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   Rabbi Mayer Schiller, (1) who said he was a spokesman for the residents,
>>   said he was certain that the accusations would be proven false. "They
>>   have imposed a reign of terror on this entire community," he said,
>>   referring to the federal prosecutors."
>>
>>   Ms. White responded by citing an earlier phase of the investigation when,
>>   in 1995, a federal judge held the Yeshiva of New Square in contempt of
>>   court for failing to obey a grand jury subpoena for its bank records and
>>   other documents, which led to a $1 million fine paid by the yeshiva.
>>
>>   "Given the repeated efforts to obstruct the grand jury's investigation,"
>>   she said, "the response and accusations of unfair treatment are
>>   disheartening, but not surprising."
>>
>>   The indictment was vague about just how the money was put to use, and
>>   just how much ended up back in the community.
>>
>>   Schiller said that New Square was founded in 1957 by four Holocaust
>>   survivors, including Chaim Berger, one of the defendants named in
>>   Wednesday's indictment.
>>
>>   The indictment said Berger had been a member of the village's board of
>>   trustees and the board of the Yeshiva of New Square, and was chairman of
>>   the board of the Brooklyn seminary, Toldos Yakov Yosef, where many of the
>>   New Square and Brooklyn students receiving Pell grants were enrolled.
>>
>>   The indictment asserted that Berger and two other of the seminary's
>>   administrators, Kalmen Stern and David Goldstein, created a false picture
>>   of the seminary's programs. The indictment said they falsified resumes,
>>   minutes of the board meetings and reviews of student progress to get
>>   federal money.
>>
>>   The seminary was financed "almost exclusively" by Pell grants awarded to
>>   the school on behalf of its "alleged" students from 1987 to 1993, the
>>   indictment said, but in reality, it added, the school enrolled students
>>   who did not meet the requirements, were not seeking a degree, and did not
>>   take tests or even take part in any actual program of study.
>>
>>   The indictment said that in the early 1980s, Berger and others helped
>>   create a program for "independent Judaic Studies" for New Square students
>>   at Rockland County Community College.
>>
>>   From 1982 to 1988, thousands of students were enrolled, and most got Pell
>>   grants and state tuition aid. The indictment said that many of these
>>   students were also not eligible for aid, and in some cases, did not even
>>   know they were enrolled.
>>
>>   "Some New Square and Brooklyn residents were enrolled in as many as five
>>   different educational institutions, and received Pell Grants for as many
>>   as 10 or more years, without ever receiving any degree or any certificate
>>   reflecting that they had completed a program of study," the indictment
>>   said.
>>
>>   Besides Berger and Stern, the indictment charged three other New Square
>>   residents, Jacob Elbaum; Berger's son, Benjamin, and Avrum D.  Friesel
>>   who, according to Schiller, is the son of New Square's mayor.  Goldstein,
>>   the sixth defendant, lives in Brooklyn.
>>
>>   None of the defendants or their lawyers could be reached for comment
>>   Wednesday. Gerald Shargel, a lawyer for the Yeshiva of New Square, said
>>   he could not comment on the specifics of the case.
>>
>>



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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:27 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:52:15 -0400, "[Unknown sender]"
> wrote:
>
>>Hide your crimes behind the holohoax!
>>
>>Date: Monday, 22-Dec-97 06:45 PM
>>
>>Subject: 6 Indicted in Fraud Over Use of Grants for Hasidic Groups
>>
>>   Excerpt:
>>
>>   The Federal subpoenas are "...remindful of the Holocaust that many in
>>   this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   By BENJAMIN WEISER N.Y. Times May 29, 1997 (Metro section only)
>>
>>   NEW YORK -- Five members of a Hasidic community in Rockland County and
>>   one in Brooklyn were indicted Wednesday on charges that they
>>   systematically defrauded the federal and state governments of tens of
>>   millions of dollars in student loans, business assistance and housing
>>   subsidies.
>>
>>   In one scheme, according to federal prosecutors, a Talmudic seminary in
>>   Brooklyn was financed almost entirely by federal Pell grants awarded to
>>   ineligible or nonexistent students. The defendants also looted state
>>   student aid programs, Small Business Administration programs and the
>>   federal Section 8 housing program, prosecutors said.
>>
>>   The plans, the authorities said, were used to enrich the defendants but
>>   also to benefit the community institutions of New Square, the Rockland
>>   County village, along with the yeshiva in New Square.
>>
>>   In a broad indictment unsealed Wednesday in Manhattan, the U.S.
>>   attorney's office depicted a vast scheme by which the six men and others
>>   enrolled thousands of New Square and Brooklyn residents in post-secondary
>>   education programs in Jewish seminaries and Rockland County Community
>>   College in order to fraudulently obtain money through federal Pell
>>   grants, which are awarded to needy post-secondary students.
>>
>>   The indictment said that most of the students were not eligible for the
>>   grants, did not get their degrees and, in some cases, enrolled after
>>   recruiters promised them hundreds of dollars a year. Prosecutors said
>>   that one Brooklyn seminary program fraudulently got $10.3 million in Pell
>>   grants "on behalf of its purported students."
>>
>>   The government's investigation has been no secret in the tightly knit
>>   community of about 6,000 in New Square, which consists almost entirely of
>>   Hasidim. News of the indictment drew sharp criticism there Wednesday. A
>>   statement by village representatives contended that the U.S. attorney in
>>   Manhattan, Mary Jo White, had a "vendetta" against New Square residents,
>>   and that federal agents had earlier scared small children there by
>>   serving subpoenas at 6 a.m. "in a manner remindful of the Holocaust that
>>   many in this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   Rabbi Mayer Schiller, (1) who said he was a spokesman for the residents,
>>   said he was certain that the accusations would be proven false. "They
>>   have imposed a reign of terror on this entire community," he said,
>>   referring to the federal prosecutors."
>>
>>   Ms. White responded by citing an earlier phase of the investigation when,
>>   in 1995, a federal judge held the Yeshiva of New Square in contempt of
>>   court for failing to obey a grand jury subpoena for its bank records and
>>   other documents, which led to a $1 million fine paid by the yeshiva.
>>
>>   "Given the repeated efforts to obstruct the grand jury's investigation,"
>>   she said, "the response and accusations of unfair treatment are
>>   disheartening, but not surprising."
>>
>>   The indictment was vague about just how the money was put to use, and
>>   just how much ended up back in the community.
>>
>>   Schiller said that New Square was founded in 1957 by four Holocaust
>>   survivors, including Chaim Berger, one of the defendants named in
>>   Wednesday's indictment.
>>
>>   The indictment said Berger had been a member of the village's board of
>>   trustees and the board of the Yeshiva of New Square, and was chairman of
>>   the board of the Brooklyn seminary, Toldos Yakov Yosef, where many of the
>>   New Square and Brooklyn students receiving Pell grants were enrolled.
>>
>>   The indictment asserted that Berger and two other of the seminary's
>>   administrators, Kalmen Stern and David Goldstein, created a false picture
>>   of the seminary's programs. The indictment said they falsified resumes,
>>   minutes of the board meetings and reviews of student progress to get
>>   federal money.
>>
>>   The seminary was financed "almost exclusively" by Pell grants awarded to
>>   the school on behalf of its "alleged" students from 1987 to 1993, the
>>   indictment said, but in reality, it added, the school enrolled students
>>   who did not meet the requirements, were not seeking a degree, and did not
>>   take tests or even take part in any actual program of study.
>>
>>   The indictment said that in the early 1980s, Berger and others helped
>>   create a program for "independent Judaic Studies" for New Square students
>>   at Rockland County Community College.
>>
>>   From 1982 to 1988, thousands of students were enrolled, and most got Pell
>>   grants and state tuition aid. The indictment said that many of these
>>   students were also not eligible for aid, and in some cases, did not even
>>   know they were enrolled.
>>
>>   "Some New Square and Brooklyn residents were enrolled in as many as five
>>   different educational institutions, and received Pell Grants for as many
>>   as 10 or more years, without ever receiving any degree or any certificate
>>   reflecting that they had completed a program of study," the indictment
>>   said.
>>
>>   Besides Berger and Stern, the indictment charged three other New Square
>>   residents, Jacob Elbaum; Berger's son, Benjamin, and Avrum D.  Friesel
>>   who, according to Schiller, is the son of New Square's mayor.  Goldstein,
>>   the sixth defendant, lives in Brooklyn.
>>
>>   None of the defendants or their lawyers could be reached for comment
>>   Wednesday. Gerald Shargel, a lawyer for the Yeshiva of New Square, said
>>   he could not comment on the specifics of the case.
>>
>>



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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:26:48 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:22:55 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:13:27 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>Is this any more different than the documented fact that 300,000 JEWS
>>>were involved with the Wehrmacht, up to and including JEW generals,
>>>working for Hitler??
>>>
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>>> > sperati wrote:
>>>
>>>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > > Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> > > From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>> > > Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>>> > > From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> > > that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> > > ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> > > group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>>> > > The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> > > titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>> > > appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> > > to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> > > >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> > > North Shore News
>>>> > > February 2, 1997
>>>
>>>> > > Insights from abroad
>>>> > > Doug Collins
>>>
>>>> > > TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> > > that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>>> > > When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> > > served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>>> > > The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> > > about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>>
>>>> > > There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> > > was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> > > transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>> > > married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> > > generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>>> > > Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> > > Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> > > more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>>> > > Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> > > in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> > > alive.
>>>
>>>> > > Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> > > father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>>
>>>> > > Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> > > whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> > > the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>>> > > The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> > > Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> > > he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> > > and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> > > documents in the process.
>>>
>>>> > > The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> > > Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> > > could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>> > > the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>>
>>>> > > He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>> > > about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> > > ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>>
>>>> > > Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>> > > used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> > > Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> > > what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>>> > > British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> > > international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> > > produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> > > Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>>> > > Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> > > Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> > > was a Jew.
>>>
>>>> > > Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> > > full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> > > one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>>> > > But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> > > Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> > > knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> > > term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>>> > > After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> > > the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> > > Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> > > Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> > > plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> > > and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> > > and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> > > to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>>> > > All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> > > able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> > > wonder why?
>>>
>>>> > > ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> > > right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> > > the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> > > necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>> > If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>> > definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>> > their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Phillips
>>>
>>>There is one very significant omission: I believe that Reinhard
>>>Heydrich,
>>>head of the SD (intelligence arm of the SS) was partly Jewish. As you
>>>said, there were complex rules pertaining to persons of mixed race
>>>thaat
>>>depended on the degree of mixture.
>>>===========
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:13:54 -0600, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest
>>>Slepokura) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <898579884snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article <358ea2c7.30351215@news.erols.com>
>>>>>            davic@erols.com "David Goldman" writes:
>>>>> > >> The people who collaborated with the Nazis were the Arabs.. Remember the
>>>>> > >> mufti of Jerusalem.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Nazi Zionist collaboration is thoroughly documented; there was an article
>>>>> in about 1980 in History Today (I've got it somewhere) by a Jewish historian
>>>>> Jacob Boas which covered the Nazi sponsorship of a Zionist expedition to
>>>>> Palestine; there was a special medal struck which had a swastika on one
>>>>> side and a Magan David on the other. It appears that the Nazis changed their
>>>>> mind with typical pragmatic hypocrisy when they needed Arab support come the
>>>>> war, although there is no doubt that there was a genuine friendship between
>>>>> the Arab nationalists and the National Socialists.
>>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>>Orest Slepokura:
>>>
>>>>There were many instances of such collaboration. Take the case of Dr.
>>>>Joachim Prinz, a Zionist rabbi. In 1934, Dr. Prinz published a book
>>>>entiled *Wir Juden* 
>>>>(We, Jews) wherein he hailed Hitler's rise to power. Seems he viewed this as a
>>>>defeat for liberalism and, hence, a very good outcome for Jews. 
>>>
>>>>"[T]he fortunes of liberalism are lost," he wrote gleefully. "The only
>>>>form of political life which has helped Jewish assimilation is sunk." See:
>>>
>>>>The victory of Nazism ruled out assimilation and mixed marriages as an
>>>>option for Jews. Said Prinz: "We are not unhappy about this." 
>>>
>>>>His book contained a lot of unblushing praise for Nazi ideology.
>>>
>>>>Later on, Dr. Prinz emigrated to the United States, where he eventually became
>>>>a vice-chairman of the World Jewish Congress and a leading figure in the World
>>>>Zionist Organization. 
>>>
>>>>Apparently, he was also quite good friends with Golda Meir.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Aug 1998 22:03:13 GMT, kaszubik@aol.com (Kaszubik) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
Subject: Re: ZYCLON B SOLD BY JEWISH COMPANY TO NAZIS
>>>>>From: Alexander Sharon 
>>>>>Date: Sun, Aug 9, 1998 13:47 EDT
>>>>>Message-id: <35CDE0C8.511620EF@cadvision.com>
>>>
>>>>>Kaszubik wrote the truth again:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>>>> A little known fact is that a Jewish business in New York City produced
>>>>>Zyclon
>>>>>> B and sold it to Germany where it sold as a commodity. What this means is
>>>>>that
>>>>>> we have yet another example of MURDER FOR PROFIT (of their own people!). We
>>>>>> already know who murdered Jesus Christ, that can not be disputed. Let me
>>>>>ask
>>>>>> you: Why are so many Jewish doctors involved with partial-birth abortions?
>>>>>That
>>>>>> is the new Holocaust on the rest of the world. I know the holocaust took
>>>>>place,
>>>>>> I don't doubt that. It is indeed a tragic period in history for us Poles.
>>>
>>>>>It appears that another imbecile has joined the noble ranks of the town
>>>>>idiots of
>>>>>scp.
>>>
>>>>KK>Please take a deep breath and relax. I realize that the truth must be almost
>>>>too much for you to deal with. 
>>>
>>>>>Welcome aboard wanker.
>>>>>And what bothers you?
>>>>Are you trying to hide your family murky past during
>>>>>WWII by
>>>>>"exposing" Jewish attrocities?
>>>
>>>>KK> I have cousins who were murdered at Stutthof but they didn't deserve it.
>>>>The legacy and atrocities of the jews is well known already. Your reaction
>>>>clearly shows the guilt in which the jews can hardly contain and is eating away
>>>>at their minds. 
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Alexander Sharon
>>>
>>>>KK> Perhaps Aleksander Zydowicz in older times? 



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.natall.com
>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
>>To Subscribe to American Dissident Voices weekly transcripts 
>>(the printed version of our weekly radio program), 
>>mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the word 
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:55:17 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:15:01 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>Notice that supporters of the Christkillers can not answer the
>>questions, or respond to points, so they try ad hominem attacks.
>>
>>History has shown that far too many of the murderers of Christ, and
>>their followers, have been involved in one disaster after another, up
>>to and including communism...
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:45:30 -0400, alg3@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>>>Ivan Petrenko wrote:
>>>
>>>> ATTENTION SUSAN COHEN:
>>>>
>>>> OK, so I am now reading so many of your posts that I think to myself-
>>>
>>>And you shoud've kept to yourself whatever you were thinking. Mark Twain had
>>>a good advice to the trolls like yourself: "It is better to keep quiet and
>>>look intelligent then open your mouth and remove all doubts." :)
>>>
>>>> etah zhenzchinah/this woman has incredible amount hate and anger, enough
>>>> hate in her to start war.
>>>
>>>Another well known tactic, the lame hatemongers like you are so fond of:
>>>"Substitute the lack of arguments with the character assassination"
>>>
>>>> If you don't relax and lighten up little bit, Susan Cohen, I afraid you
>>>> get high blood pressure. Really I think real problem is you can't find
>>>> man.
>>>
>>>Lame, lame...
>>>
>>>> Mozhet bit, maybe you is old maid woman who is very angry at whole
>>>> world.  You need consult with our wise advisor on this site- his name is
>>>> Panikovsky.  You look for his name on posts and read his website.  He
>>>> has help for women like you Susan.
>>>
>>>Did you use his help as well? :)
>>>
>>>> Who has time to write so many posts like you Susan?  Also on this day,
>>>> which is big day for Jews holiday - the Passover.  But you home alone
>>>> writing hate mail.  What sad life you have. But Panikovsky can help you.
>>>> There is hope for you to become happy nice woman someday. Then we
>>>> all not think of you as arrogant bitch.
>>>
>>>> I. Petrenko
>>>
>>>Crawl back into your hole, loser
>>
>>[File: C:\Program Files\Netscape\files\100MILLIONS.TXT]



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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:27:50 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:12:03 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>Grigori Khaskin wrote:
>
>>> : It seems that the Russian JEWs, and their lackeys have already forgotten
>>> : who established the Soviet secret Police, forerunners of the dreaded KGB
>>> : - it was that great JEW Felix DZERZHINSKI!!!
>
>>> Iron Felix was somehow 100% polish if you want to bring race
>>> question to history following hitler writings, you stuck with that. And,
>>> btw, Red Terror started, when CHEKA member jew Moses Uritsky was killed by
>>> antibolshevik jew Leonid Kanegisser and jew Dora Kaplan (renamed later to
>>> Fanni) tried to exterminate Lenin (she was killed by Russian Kremlin
>>> comendant P.D.Mal`kov)
>
>>> : It was the secret police that engaged in genocide - first on the
>>> : Russians, then the more than 30 million Ukrainians murdered by the JEW
>>> : Kommissars!!!
>
>>> : How many tens of millions bodies does it take to REMEMBER - that it was
>>> : the SOVIET JEWS who first engaged in genocide?
>
>>> Your pathetic lies do not cover the fact that revolution and whatever came
>>> after it was made MOSTLY by russians with the help of course of all
>>> brotherly nations - lituaninas, polish, georgian and as well jews. But
>>> more than 3/4 of russian in the bolshevik gand (and Russian was making
>>> less than 53% according to census in 1924) sound a little bit like
>>> overrepresentation. And that is why you blame jews for own crimes and
>>> terminal stupidity.
>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> G.K.
>
>>Glad to see that even a stupid Russian can sometimes tell the truth -
>>ABOUT THE JEWS CONTROLLING THE FORMER SOVIET UNION!!!
>
>>I find it offensive that you wish to blame some Polish people, who were
>>JEWS, for the fact that the former Soviet union regularly engaged in
>>genocide.



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25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.

They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
the anti-Germans.

Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
Oswiecim?


On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:

>Igal wrote:
>
>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>W.W.II.
>>
>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>purposes.
>>
>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>
>Igal,
>I think you are wrong.
>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>
>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>
>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>such arguments. 
>
>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
>
>(...)
>
>.............................................
>                                                                          
>                                                                          
>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com




On 31 Oct 1998 16:30:03 GMT, Wlodzimierz Godlowski
 wrote:

>igal_peacemaker@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>: ( Sory for long post. I=P)
>
>: First, let's think about ammount of the victims:
>
>: from: http://www.powerup.com.au/~dominion/ff/h15.htm
>: “”Evidence found in  the pockets of  the victims --
>: such  as diaries,  unsent letters  and  Soviet newspapers  -- and
>: forensic tests  confirmed the  date.  In  all, 4,143  bodies were
>: positively identified.””
>
>: So, pan RU8xx,pan Wlodzimierz Godlowski and pan Jerzy Pankiewicz
>:  and others, we have proof ammount of the victims:
>
>: “”4,143 victims””
>
>: it is not 3000 as I wrote, but it is also not a 40 000 or 2 000 000 000
>: as wrote some other readers.
>
>more then 10 000 was total number of killing from Kozielsk (only people
>from that camp was killd in Katyn) Starobielsk and Ostaszkow (on the one 
>decision of the soviet politbiuro.
>2 000 000 not 2 000 000 000 it is total number of Polish Citizen Polish
>and Judaic origin murder by Sowiet in conection with II WW.
>You should know abut it.
>: ========================
>
>: Now, we can go to discussion about political aspects.
>: maybe another interesting fact, who found bodies of the victims:
>
>: <: Katyn forests near Smolensk of  mass graves containing the bodies
>: of  Polish  officers who  the  Germans  said were  killed  by the
>: Soviets in the spring of 1940.>>
>
>Of course that Germans use it in his propaganda. They was not so stiupid
>not do it.
>
>: Bodies were found by German special forces, then the  Polish
>: government-in-exile  in  London  asked  the
>: International Red  Cross to  investigate, the  Soviet Union broke
>: diplomatic  relations  with  the   exiles  and  objected  to  any
>: investigation.  Britain and the U.S.  took the Soviet side in the
>: issue.
>
>: I think, that apperently happend because Lord Churchil and Mr. Rusvelt
>:  were KGB/communists soviet jews.
>????? Are you joking?
>Churchil and Poosvelt was aliant of Stalin and do not want make him angry.
>Thats enough
>
>
>: Later, during the Nuremberg trial, the
>: Soviets accused the  Germans of this  crime. But cold war began and
>: On Dec. 22, 1952, the U.S. Congress, following an investigation by its Select
>: Committee on the Katyn Forest Massacre, unanimously ruled that it
>: was the Soviets who were guilty.
>Not only U.S. Congres say that Katyn was done for Soviet. Also for example
>International Medical Comision from non - participation country.
>In Norymberga on the Soviet demand German was prosecute for Katyn but
>Norymberga Court do not say that German was gilty for Katyn even Soviet
>participated in the Court.
>: Since  World  War  II  the  Katyn  massacre  slipped  into near-oblivion, 
>: except in  Poland.  But  it  has resurfaced  as a result of  a joint 
>: declaration by	Mikhail Gorbachev (great traitor of the USSR and west lackey
>: only) and Polish leader  Gen.  Wojciech Jaruzelski  in	April 21,  1987.  The
>: two agreed that ``blank  spots'' is Soviet-Polish  relations would be
>: removed. 
>
>But Gorbahov was not agrre that Katyn was done by  Soviet. Even now a lot
>of Soviet oficials not agree that Katyn was done by SDoviet
>
> Although the Soviets	committed many crimes against the Poles
>: during and  after World War  II, Katyn remains	high on the agenda, and the
>: joint  Soviet-Polish commission of historians has addressed it.  The  Polish
>: side has  no doubt who	is guilty (who like former occupant), but the Soviets
>: keep repeating the old claim to have ``no evidence to the contrary'' in their
>: archives.  The issue remains deadlocked.  Meanwhile, the Katyn cemetery has
>: been opened to the public -- and the  Germans are  still blamed  for the 
>: crime (poor German Nazis - they never killed any one civilian or military
>: unarmed Pols in WWII, hey Miecz - Sławomir and motherfacker Warr - am I wrong
>: ? ).  However, the Soviets have  claimed about 500 Soviet POWs perished with 
>: the Polish officers (but who is worry about it, Soviet loose Cold War and we
>: do not belive them).
>Nearly all my family was morder by Soviet (and a have documents that it
>was done by Soviet) and I have a lot of friend like me. It is a lot of
>documents that Soviet killed a lot of
>Polish People.
>
> Since the end of the Second World War many facts and
>: many legends have been built up surrounding the events or even "non-events"
>: of that international conflict. Many stories which originated through the
>: official and unofficial propaganda channels have become a part of the popular
>: history of the war. From the time of the war itself, many of the propaganda
>: claims which circulated widely were questioned by official sources. Since the
>: late 1940's, revisionist historians have attempted to bring our official
>: history into accord with the facts. I do not like Stalin regime, but in Katyn
>: story last word was not wrote yet.
>
>It is lie like that "it was only fee Jeavs killed diurin holocaust.
>In Poland You could be prosecute for it.
>My Grand Father was murde in Katyn  and I am very interested in the
>subject of Katyn.
>
>: Documents:
>
>: KATYN FOREST MASSACRE
>
>:       THE CLAIM:
>: Nuremberg Document 054-USSR. Report by a Special
>:  Soviet Commission, 24 January 1944, concerning the
>:  shooting of Polish officer prisoners of war in the forest of
>:  Katyn. The executions had been carried out in autumn 1941
>:  by the German "Staff of the Construction Battalion 537". In
>:  spring 1943 the Germans, by blackmailing witnesses into
>:  giving false evidence and by other means, had tried to make
>:  it appear that the Soviet NKVD was responsible for the
>:  shooting of the 11,000 victims.
>It is a lot of provement that it is lie (even documents Soviet Politbiuro-
>used by Russian Supreme Court durin proces for delegalization of the
>Comunist Pary  after Janayew take over. That documents was also publish in
>Poland (and as I know in the west too).
>
>: (as I proofbefore only 4,143  bodies were found and all were
>: positively identified. I=P)
>
>: THE REVISIONS:
>
>:  "This committee unanimously finds... that the Soviet NKVD
>:  committed the mass murders of the Polish officers and
>:  intellectual leaders in the Katyn Forest... there has not
>:  been... even any remote circumstantial evidence presented
>:  that could indict any other nation in this international crime.
>:  It is an established fact that approximately 15,000 Polish
>:  prisoners were interned in three Soviet camps: Kozielsk,
>:  Starobielsk, and Ostashkov in the winter of 1939-40. With
>:  the exception of 400 prisoners, these men have not been
>:  heard from... since the spring of 1940...."
>: ===
>:  U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee to
>:  Investigate the Facts, The Katyn Forest Massacre:
>:  Final Report. Issued 22 December 1952.
>
>: ( I can belive that from Stalin camps “these men have not been
>:    heard from... since the spring of 1940....", 20 000 000 000 were killed in
>: GULAG, but not because they were Pols, Jews or Russin - no, because they were
>: HUMANs and Stalin do not like HUMANs)
>
>According Mr Chruszczow Report Stalin was killed 60 000 000 milion of
>people (including meny Jews) partialy becous he give represion agains
>human but often becouse thay murder people becouse of nationality
>(aspecialy 
>Polish, Ukrainien, Czeczenien )
>
>: In all cases innocent victims are unforgetable, but we have to know what kind
>: of games politics play. Now Poland like German and do not like Russian, what
>: the time will be after 40 years???
>
>I like Rusian as people and have Russian friends (and Germent friends
>also) but it is a different that even in that moment german vwas danger
>for Poland. Morower Germen was mostly prosecuted for his criminals 
>Russian not.
>
>: I=P
>
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>Wlodzimierz Godlowski



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:24:33 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:06:42 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:14:17, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>On Wed, 23 Sep 98 20:34:05 GMT, stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>     We need to re-orient it, though,
>>>to the countless Aryan lives taken in
>>>jewish contrived wars,
>>
>>>------------Reply Separator----------------
>>>On 9/22/98 4:24PM, in message 
>>><6u9eik$re9@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, NSWPP 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>
>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a 
>>>gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden 
>>>crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi 
>>>death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and 
>>>radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has 
>>>threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him 
>>>and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his 
>>>campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to 
>>>dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between 
>>>the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests 
>>>and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser 
>>>Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are 
>>>beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' 
>>>she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an 
>>>eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management 
>>>of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further 
>>>conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is 
>>>appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 
>>>million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention 
>>>was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, 
>>>which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near 
>>>the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest 
>>>graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish 
>>>groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity 
>>>of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor 
>>>triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from 
>>>the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an 
>>>international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope 
>>>John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a 
>>>nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses 
>>>is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker 
>>>groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics 
>>>with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from 
>>>patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of 
>>>Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the 
>>>government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should 
>>>remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jew coalition, which has 
>>>broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is 
>>>unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the 
>>>presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent 
>>>decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be 
>>>negotiated. 
>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph 
>>>Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the 
>>>answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should 
>>>be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up 
>>>to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, 
>>>``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion 
>>>about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon 
>>>affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of 
>>>Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join 
>>>NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom 
>>>and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to 
>>>improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a 
>>>renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work 
>>>on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent 
>>>run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in 
>>>southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more 
>>>directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an 
>>>extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less 
>>>frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by 
>>>the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from 
>>>across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with 
>>>weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, 
>>>were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the 
>>>extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles 
>>>Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about 
>>>preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a 
>>>better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is 
>>>permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are 
>>>also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high 
>>>hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out 
>>>of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes 
>>>managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political 
>>>prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' 
>>>wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main 
>>>Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating 
>>>dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and 
>>>improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and 
>>>controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a 
>>>leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>Why should the cursed Christkillers dictate to the sovereign people
>>of Poland, what Polish people may do in their own country??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the damned JEW-led KGB
>>who murdered the 25000 Polish officers at KATYN??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the JEW-led soviets
>>who occupied and enslaved the Christian Polish people??
>>
>>-88-



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
>>
>>
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>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:27:50 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:12:03 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>Grigori Khaskin wrote:
>
>>> : It seems that the Russian JEWs, and their lackeys have already forgotten
>>> : who established the Soviet secret Police, forerunners of the dreaded KGB
>>> : - it was that great JEW Felix DZERZHINSKI!!!
>
>>> Iron Felix was somehow 100% polish if you want to bring race
>>> question to history following hitler writings, you stuck with that. And,
>>> btw, Red Terror started, when CHEKA member jew Moses Uritsky was killed by
>>> antibolshevik jew Leonid Kanegisser and jew Dora Kaplan (renamed later to
>>> Fanni) tried to exterminate Lenin (she was killed by Russian Kremlin
>>> comendant P.D.Mal`kov)
>
>>> : It was the secret police that engaged in genocide - first on the
>>> : Russians, then the more than 30 million Ukrainians murdered by the JEW
>>> : Kommissars!!!
>
>>> : How many tens of millions bodies does it take to REMEMBER - that it was
>>> : the SOVIET JEWS who first engaged in genocide?
>
>>> Your pathetic lies do not cover the fact that revolution and whatever came
>>> after it was made MOSTLY by russians with the help of course of all
>>> brotherly nations - lituaninas, polish, georgian and as well jews. But
>>> more than 3/4 of russian in the bolshevik gand (and Russian was making
>>> less than 53% according to census in 1924) sound a little bit like
>>> overrepresentation. And that is why you blame jews for own crimes and
>>> terminal stupidity.
>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> G.K.
>
>>Glad to see that even a stupid Russian can sometimes tell the truth -
>>ABOUT THE JEWS CONTROLLING THE FORMER SOVIET UNION!!!
>
>>I find it offensive that you wish to blame some Polish people, who were
>>JEWS, for the fact that the former Soviet union regularly engaged in
>>genocide.



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25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.

They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
the anti-Germans.

Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
Oswiecim?


On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:

>Igal wrote:
>
>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>W.W.II.
>>
>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>purposes.
>>
>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>
>Igal,
>I think you are wrong.
>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>
>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>
>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>such arguments. 
>
>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
>
>(...)
>
>.............................................
>                                                                          
>                                                                          
>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com




On 31 Oct 1998 16:30:03 GMT, Wlodzimierz Godlowski
 wrote:

>igal_peacemaker@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>: ( Sory for long post. I=P)
>
>: First, let's think about ammount of the victims:
>
>: from: http://www.powerup.com.au/~dominion/ff/h15.htm
>: “”Evidence found in  the pockets of  the victims --
>: such  as diaries,  unsent letters  and  Soviet newspapers  -- and
>: forensic tests  confirmed the  date.  In  all, 4,143  bodies were
>: positively identified.””
>
>: So, pan RU8xx,pan Wlodzimierz Godlowski and pan Jerzy Pankiewicz
>:  and others, we have proof ammount of the victims:
>
>: “”4,143 victims””
>
>: it is not 3000 as I wrote, but it is also not a 40 000 or 2 000 000 000
>: as wrote some other readers.
>
>more then 10 000 was total number of killing from Kozielsk (only people
>from that camp was killd in Katyn) Starobielsk and Ostaszkow (on the one 
>decision of the soviet politbiuro.
>2 000 000 not 2 000 000 000 it is total number of Polish Citizen Polish
>and Judaic origin murder by Sowiet in conection with II WW.
>You should know abut it.
>: ========================
>
>: Now, we can go to discussion about political aspects.
>: maybe another interesting fact, who found bodies of the victims:
>
>: <: Katyn forests near Smolensk of  mass graves containing the bodies
>: of  Polish  officers who  the  Germans  said were  killed  by the
>: Soviets in the spring of 1940.>>
>
>Of course that Germans use it in his propaganda. They was not so stiupid
>not do it.
>
>: Bodies were found by German special forces, then the  Polish
>: government-in-exile  in  London  asked  the
>: International Red  Cross to  investigate, the  Soviet Union broke
>: diplomatic  relations  with  the   exiles  and  objected  to  any
>: investigation.  Britain and the U.S.  took the Soviet side in the
>: issue.
>
>: I think, that apperently happend because Lord Churchil and Mr. Rusvelt
>:  were KGB/communists soviet jews.
>????? Are you joking?
>Churchil and Poosvelt was aliant of Stalin and do not want make him angry.
>Thats enough
>
>
>: Later, during the Nuremberg trial, the
>: Soviets accused the  Germans of this  crime. But cold war began and
>: On Dec. 22, 1952, the U.S. Congress, following an investigation by its Select
>: Committee on the Katyn Forest Massacre, unanimously ruled that it
>: was the Soviets who were guilty.
>Not only U.S. Congres say that Katyn was done for Soviet. Also for example
>International Medical Comision from non - participation country.
>In Norymberga on the Soviet demand German was prosecute for Katyn but
>Norymberga Court do not say that German was gilty for Katyn even Soviet
>participated in the Court.
>: Since  World  War  II  the  Katyn  massacre  slipped  into near-oblivion, 
>: except in  Poland.  But  it  has resurfaced  as a result of  a joint 
>: declaration by	Mikhail Gorbachev (great traitor of the USSR and west lackey
>: only) and Polish leader  Gen.  Wojciech Jaruzelski  in	April 21,  1987.  The
>: two agreed that ``blank  spots'' is Soviet-Polish  relations would be
>: removed. 
>
>But Gorbahov was not agrre that Katyn was done by  Soviet. Even now a lot
>of Soviet oficials not agree that Katyn was done by SDoviet
>
> Although the Soviets	committed many crimes against the Poles
>: during and  after World War  II, Katyn remains	high on the agenda, and the
>: joint  Soviet-Polish commission of historians has addressed it.  The  Polish
>: side has  no doubt who	is guilty (who like former occupant), but the Soviets
>: keep repeating the old claim to have ``no evidence to the contrary'' in their
>: archives.  The issue remains deadlocked.  Meanwhile, the Katyn cemetery has
>: been opened to the public -- and the  Germans are  still blamed  for the 
>: crime (poor German Nazis - they never killed any one civilian or military
>: unarmed Pols in WWII, hey Miecz - Sławomir and motherfacker Warr - am I wrong
>: ? ).  However, the Soviets have  claimed about 500 Soviet POWs perished with 
>: the Polish officers (but who is worry about it, Soviet loose Cold War and we
>: do not belive them).
>Nearly all my family was morder by Soviet (and a have documents that it
>was done by Soviet) and I have a lot of friend like me. It is a lot of
>documents that Soviet killed a lot of
>Polish People.
>
> Since the end of the Second World War many facts and
>: many legends have been built up surrounding the events or even "non-events"
>: of that international conflict. Many stories which originated through the
>: official and unofficial propaganda channels have become a part of the popular
>: history of the war. From the time of the war itself, many of the propaganda
>: claims which circulated widely were questioned by official sources. Since the
>: late 1940's, revisionist historians have attempted to bring our official
>: history into accord with the facts. I do not like Stalin regime, but in Katyn
>: story last word was not wrote yet.
>
>It is lie like that "it was only fee Jeavs killed diurin holocaust.
>In Poland You could be prosecute for it.
>My Grand Father was murde in Katyn  and I am very interested in the
>subject of Katyn.
>
>: Documents:
>
>: KATYN FOREST MASSACRE
>
>:       THE CLAIM:
>: Nuremberg Document 054-USSR. Report by a Special
>:  Soviet Commission, 24 January 1944, concerning the
>:  shooting of Polish officer prisoners of war in the forest of
>:  Katyn. The executions had been carried out in autumn 1941
>:  by the German "Staff of the Construction Battalion 537". In
>:  spring 1943 the Germans, by blackmailing witnesses into
>:  giving false evidence and by other means, had tried to make
>:  it appear that the Soviet NKVD was responsible for the
>:  shooting of the 11,000 victims.
>It is a lot of provement that it is lie (even documents Soviet Politbiuro-
>used by Russian Supreme Court durin proces for delegalization of the
>Comunist Pary  after Janayew take over. That documents was also publish in
>Poland (and as I know in the west too).
>
>: (as I proofbefore only 4,143  bodies were found and all were
>: positively identified. I=P)
>
>: THE REVISIONS:
>
>:  "This committee unanimously finds... that the Soviet NKVD
>:  committed the mass murders of the Polish officers and
>:  intellectual leaders in the Katyn Forest... there has not
>:  been... even any remote circumstantial evidence presented
>:  that could indict any other nation in this international crime.
>:  It is an established fact that approximately 15,000 Polish
>:  prisoners were interned in three Soviet camps: Kozielsk,
>:  Starobielsk, and Ostashkov in the winter of 1939-40. With
>:  the exception of 400 prisoners, these men have not been
>:  heard from... since the spring of 1940...."
>: ===
>:  U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee to
>:  Investigate the Facts, The Katyn Forest Massacre:
>:  Final Report. Issued 22 December 1952.
>
>: ( I can belive that from Stalin camps “these men have not been
>:    heard from... since the spring of 1940....", 20 000 000 000 were killed in
>: GULAG, but not because they were Pols, Jews or Russin - no, because they were
>: HUMANs and Stalin do not like HUMANs)
>
>According Mr Chruszczow Report Stalin was killed 60 000 000 milion of
>people (including meny Jews) partialy becous he give represion agains
>human but often becouse thay murder people becouse of nationality
>(aspecialy 
>Polish, Ukrainien, Czeczenien )
>
>: In all cases innocent victims are unforgetable, but we have to know what kind
>: of games politics play. Now Poland like German and do not like Russian, what
>: the time will be after 40 years???
>
>I like Rusian as people and have Russian friends (and Germent friends
>also) but it is a different that even in that moment german vwas danger
>for Poland. Morower Germen was mostly prosecuted for his criminals 
>Russian not.
>
>: I=P
>
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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:24:33 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:06:42 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:14:17, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>On Wed, 23 Sep 98 20:34:05 GMT, stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>     We need to re-orient it, though,
>>>to the countless Aryan lives taken in
>>>jewish contrived wars,
>>
>>>------------Reply Separator----------------
>>>On 9/22/98 4:24PM, in message 
>>><6u9eik$re9@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, NSWPP 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>
>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a 
>>>gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden 
>>>crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi 
>>>death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and 
>>>radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has 
>>>threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him 
>>>and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his 
>>>campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to 
>>>dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between 
>>>the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests 
>>>and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser 
>>>Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are 
>>>beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' 
>>>she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an 
>>>eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management 
>>>of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further 
>>>conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is 
>>>appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 
>>>million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention 
>>>was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, 
>>>which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near 
>>>the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest 
>>>graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish 
>>>groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity 
>>>of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor 
>>>triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from 
>>>the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an 
>>>international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope 
>>>John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a 
>>>nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses 
>>>is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker 
>>>groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics 
>>>with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from 
>>>patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of 
>>>Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the 
>>>government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should 
>>>remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jew coalition, which has 
>>>broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is 
>>>unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the 
>>>presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent 
>>>decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be 
>>>negotiated. 
>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph 
>>>Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the 
>>>answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should 
>>>be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up 
>>>to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, 
>>>``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion 
>>>about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon 
>>>affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of 
>>>Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join 
>>>NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom 
>>>and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to 
>>>improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a 
>>>renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work 
>>>on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent 
>>>run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in 
>>>southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more 
>>>directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an 
>>>extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less 
>>>frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by 
>>>the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from 
>>>across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with 
>>>weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, 
>>>were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the 
>>>extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles 
>>>Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about 
>>>preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a 
>>>better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is 
>>>permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are 
>>>also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high 
>>>hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out 
>>>of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes 
>>>managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political 
>>>prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' 
>>>wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main 
>>>Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating 
>>>dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and 
>>>improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and 
>>>controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a 
>>>leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>Why should the cursed Christkillers dictate to the sovereign people
>>of Poland, what Polish people may do in their own country??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the damned JEW-led KGB
>>who murdered the 25000 Polish officers at KATYN??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the JEW-led soviets
>>who occupied and enslaved the Christian Polish people??
>>
>>-88-



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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:27 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:52:15 -0400, "[Unknown sender]"
> wrote:
>
>>Hide your crimes behind the holohoax!
>>
>>Date: Monday, 22-Dec-97 06:45 PM
>>
>>Subject: 6 Indicted in Fraud Over Use of Grants for Hasidic Groups
>>
>>   Excerpt:
>>
>>   The Federal subpoenas are "...remindful of the Holocaust that many in
>>   this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   By BENJAMIN WEISER N.Y. Times May 29, 1997 (Metro section only)
>>
>>   NEW YORK -- Five members of a Hasidic community in Rockland County and
>>   one in Brooklyn were indicted Wednesday on charges that they
>>   systematically defrauded the federal and state governments of tens of
>>   millions of dollars in student loans, business assistance and housing
>>   subsidies.
>>
>>   In one scheme, according to federal prosecutors, a Talmudic seminary in
>>   Brooklyn was financed almost entirely by federal Pell grants awarded to
>>   ineligible or nonexistent students. The defendants also looted state
>>   student aid programs, Small Business Administration programs and the
>>   federal Section 8 housing program, prosecutors said.
>>
>>   The plans, the authorities said, were used to enrich the defendants but
>>   also to benefit the community institutions of New Square, the Rockland
>>   County village, along with the yeshiva in New Square.
>>
>>   In a broad indictment unsealed Wednesday in Manhattan, the U.S.
>>   attorney's office depicted a vast scheme by which the six men and others
>>   enrolled thousands of New Square and Brooklyn residents in post-secondary
>>   education programs in Jewish seminaries and Rockland County Community
>>   College in order to fraudulently obtain money through federal Pell
>>   grants, which are awarded to needy post-secondary students.
>>
>>   The indictment said that most of the students were not eligible for the
>>   grants, did not get their degrees and, in some cases, enrolled after
>>   recruiters promised them hundreds of dollars a year. Prosecutors said
>>   that one Brooklyn seminary program fraudulently got $10.3 million in Pell
>>   grants "on behalf of its purported students."
>>
>>   The government's investigation has been no secret in the tightly knit
>>   community of about 6,000 in New Square, which consists almost entirely of
>>   Hasidim. News of the indictment drew sharp criticism there Wednesday. A
>>   statement by village representatives contended that the U.S. attorney in
>>   Manhattan, Mary Jo White, had a "vendetta" against New Square residents,
>>   and that federal agents had earlier scared small children there by
>>   serving subpoenas at 6 a.m. "in a manner remindful of the Holocaust that
>>   many in this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   Rabbi Mayer Schiller, (1) who said he was a spokesman for the residents,
>>   said he was certain that the accusations would be proven false. "They
>>   have imposed a reign of terror on this entire community," he said,
>>   referring to the federal prosecutors."
>>
>>   Ms. White responded by citing an earlier phase of the investigation when,
>>   in 1995, a federal judge held the Yeshiva of New Square in contempt of
>>   court for failing to obey a grand jury subpoena for its bank records and
>>   other documents, which led to a $1 million fine paid by the yeshiva.
>>
>>   "Given the repeated efforts to obstruct the grand jury's investigation,"
>>   she said, "the response and accusations of unfair treatment are
>>   disheartening, but not surprising."
>>
>>   The indictment was vague about just how the money was put to use, and
>>   just how much ended up back in the community.
>>
>>   Schiller said that New Square was founded in 1957 by four Holocaust
>>   survivors, including Chaim Berger, one of the defendants named in
>>   Wednesday's indictment.
>>
>>   The indictment said Berger had been a member of the village's board of
>>   trustees and the board of the Yeshiva of New Square, and was chairman of
>>   the board of the Brooklyn seminary, Toldos Yakov Yosef, where many of the
>>   New Square and Brooklyn students receiving Pell grants were enrolled.
>>
>>   The indictment asserted that Berger and two other of the seminary's
>>   administrators, Kalmen Stern and David Goldstein, created a false picture
>>   of the seminary's programs. The indictment said they falsified resumes,
>>   minutes of the board meetings and reviews of student progress to get
>>   federal money.
>>
>>   The seminary was financed "almost exclusively" by Pell grants awarded to
>>   the school on behalf of its "alleged" students from 1987 to 1993, the
>>   indictment said, but in reality, it added, the school enrolled students
>>   who did not meet the requirements, were not seeking a degree, and did not
>>   take tests or even take part in any actual program of study.
>>
>>   The indictment said that in the early 1980s, Berger and others helped
>>   create a program for "independent Judaic Studies" for New Square students
>>   at Rockland County Community College.
>>
>>   From 1982 to 1988, thousands of students were enrolled, and most got Pell
>>   grants and state tuition aid. The indictment said that many of these
>>   students were also not eligible for aid, and in some cases, did not even
>>   know they were enrolled.
>>
>>   "Some New Square and Brooklyn residents were enrolled in as many as five
>>   different educational institutions, and received Pell Grants for as many
>>   as 10 or more years, without ever receiving any degree or any certificate
>>   reflecting that they had completed a program of study," the indictment
>>   said.
>>
>>   Besides Berger and Stern, the indictment charged three other New Square
>>   residents, Jacob Elbaum; Berger's son, Benjamin, and Avrum D.  Friesel
>>   who, according to Schiller, is the son of New Square's mayor.  Goldstein,
>>   the sixth defendant, lives in Brooklyn.
>>
>>   None of the defendants or their lawyers could be reached for comment
>>   Wednesday. Gerald Shargel, a lawyer for the Yeshiva of New Square, said
>>   he could not comment on the specifics of the case.
>>
>>



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On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:29:42 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>With all the rumours about Fidel and the $100 Millions, who got the
>$12 Million??
>
>
>On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:39:23 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:31:10 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>If you have contacts with Freeport-McMoran, perhaps the news will help
>>>them in suing Sherritt, and perhaps the Canucklehead government.
>>>
>>>Help free Cuba from the crooks paying off to a bankrupt Canadian
>>>company!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:13:06 GMT, pmartori@globalserve.net (Pedro
>>>Martori ) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>>>Life Insurance??
>>>>>
>>>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>>>YEARS??
>>>>>
>>>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million - crooks in Canada, or in
>>>>>Cuba??
>>>>>
>>>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>>>reparations??
>>>>>
>>>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>>>
>>>>>Make sure that all your friends in Cuba know about this and try to
>>>>>recover the money from Canada!!! Tell Granma about this.
>>>>
>>>>    This is the type of monkey business that canadian premiers have
>>>>been doing with the mobsters called government of Cuba...
>>>>    Cretin know very damned well what it is all about but prefers
>>>>     to make peanuts with kastro than billions with a FREE CUBA !
>>>>********************************************
>>>>Pedro Martori - Montreal, Qc, Canada
>>>>    pmartori@globalserve.net
>>>>********************************************



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On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:29:42 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>With all the rumours about Fidel and the $100 Millions, who got the
>$12 Million??
>
>
>On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:39:23 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:31:10 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>If you have contacts with Freeport-McMoran, perhaps the news will help
>>>them in suing Sherritt, and perhaps the Canucklehead government.
>>>
>>>Help free Cuba from the crooks paying off to a bankrupt Canadian
>>>company!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:13:06 GMT, pmartori@globalserve.net (Pedro
>>>Martori ) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>>>Life Insurance??
>>>>>
>>>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>>>YEARS??
>>>>>
>>>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million - crooks in Canada, or in
>>>>>Cuba??
>>>>>
>>>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>>>reparations??
>>>>>
>>>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>>>
>>>>>Make sure that all your friends in Cuba know about this and try to
>>>>>recover the money from Canada!!! Tell Granma about this.
>>>>
>>>>    This is the type of monkey business that canadian premiers have
>>>>been doing with the mobsters called government of Cuba...
>>>>    Cretin know very damned well what it is all about but prefers
>>>>     to make peanuts with kastro than billions with a FREE CUBA !
>>>>********************************************
>>>>Pedro Martori - Montreal, Qc, Canada
>>>>    pmartori@globalserve.net
>>>>********************************************



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:29:43 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On 13 Oct 1998 03:36:24 GMT,(Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>
>On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:00:36 -0400,  wrote:
>>Hey Warr,
>
>>Get some new material. Fran Dresher you aint. Henny Youngman could do better
>>sleepwalking.
>
>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0200, "Rob"  wrote:
>
>>You are right!!!
>
>On 10 Oct 1998 18:46:42 GMT,  (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>
>JEWISH JOKES
>
>How was copper wiring invented?
>Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>
>
>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>They put parking meters on the roof!
>
>
>Why is money green?
>Because Jews pick it before it's ripe!
>
>
>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>Jew Jew Beans... Although I heard he enjoyed them "roasted!"
>
>
>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>A fur coat!
>
>
>Why don't Jews eat pork?
>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they're not!
>
>
>Why aren't Jews attacked by sharks?
>Professional courtesy!
>
>
>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>Let one in, and he'll keep the rest out.
>
>
>What's the Jewish version of foreplay?
>Half an hour of begging.
>
>
>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>She's the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>
>
>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>
>
>What's the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>
>
>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>Someone dropped a quarter!
>
>
>Why do Jews have such big noses?
>Because air is free.
>
>
>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>an
>affair?
>Who catered it?
>
>
>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>He breaks his nose.
>
>
>What's a Jewish dilemma?
>Free ham.
>
>
>What's the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>Nail polish.
>
>
>What's the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>An elephant eventually forgets.
>
>
>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>way,
>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>rubbed it, a
>Jewish genie appeared. "I'll give you two wishes," quipped
>the genie. "Far out," said the black man. "First, I want to be white,
>uptight,
>and out of sight!" Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>story:
>You can't get anything from a Jew without strings
>attached!
>
>
>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>Marry her!
>
>
>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>They want 20% off everything!
>
>
>What's the difference between between karate and judo?
>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>
>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>
>
>What's the definition of a queer Jew?
>Someone that likes girls more then money.
>
>
>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>A WHINE cellar.
>
>
>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>
>
>What's the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>A vulture waits until you're dead to eat your heart out!
>
>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==-----
>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based
>newsreading
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, "WaRR" 
>wrote:
>
>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>oil of no lay!!
>
>>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle's creed was
>>what fought rocky balboa.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>a toilet doesn't follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>
>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>it's called well i'll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman's waterbed?
>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>
>>=how was copper wire invented?
>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>
>>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>> because jewish women won't buy anything unless it's 20% off.
>
>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>a girl.
>
>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>=what's a jewish british princess' favorite wine?
>> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>she drops her nail file.
>
>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>
>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>jello moves when you eat it.
>
>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>she makes him beg for an hour.
>
>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>british princess?
>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>
>>=what's the difference between jews and canoes?
>>canoes tip.   ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>
>>=what's the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>pizzas don't scream when you put them in the oven.
>
>>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>>free ham.
>
>>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>a cash register.
>
>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>
>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>he only took tips.
>
>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>
>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>replied, "i'd draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>the other to me." the minister replied, "i'd draw a circle in
>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>outside for me." the rabbi's answer was, he wouldn't draw any
>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>
>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they're
>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. "ok," he says,
>>"but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>if you don't, you go straight to hell." after agreeing, they find
>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. "i can't help myself!" says the
>>italian... he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. "i can't
>>help myself!" he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>homosexual disappears.
>
>>yours truly
>
>>WaRR
>-88-
>



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On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:45:55 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>
>Further to previous news reports, the Past President of CGA Alberta, William
>L. Mearns, has been sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison on his conviction for
>embezzling from the County of Red Deer, Alberta.
>
>PAST PRESIDENT CGA - CRIMINAL TRIAL  - GETS  3  1/2  YEARS  IMPRISONMENT
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>WARNING  RE  CGA  CANADA
>
>OF  CONCERN  TO  ACCOUNTING   STUDENTS,  ACCOUNTANTS,  AND  THE  GENERAL  PUBLIC
>
>CGA'S   IN   CANADA  -  WHAT'S   WRONG   WITH   THEM?
>
>Over  the past year, national media have been filling the news with stories
>of major scandals involving prominent CERTIFIED GENERAL ACCOUNTANTS (CGA'S)
>in Canada.
>
>In Alberta, the media have had a field day for the past year, reporting on
>the fact that  a PAST PRESIDENT of CGA Alberta, an FCGA and CGA, was under
>investigation, and eventually charged with 14 serious criminal charges,
>
>The  complaints  were  filed by the Hongkong Bank to the RCMPCOMMERCIAL
>CRIME DIVISION.
>
>The HK Bank was complaining about William Mearns,who had been for 12 years
>the Controller/Treasurer of the County of Red Deer, Alberta.
>
>MEARNS WAS CHARGED WITH 14 SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES,  as reported
>by CFRN-TV, the Edmonton Sun, and Red Deer Advocate. Among the charges are 5
>charges of uttering forged documents, another 5 charges of making a false
>document, 2 more charges of forgery, one more charge of fraud, and one of
>theft over $5,000.00.
>  
>MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS is reported to be missing.
>
>At  his next Court appearance on 4th October 1996,  the third adjournment
>requested by Mearns, he was convicted, and sentenced to  3  1/2  years  in  prison.
>
>At the end of 1995, without any advice to the general public or EVEN TO
>MEMBERS OF CGA ALBERTA, MEARNS WAS ALLOWED  TO SECRETLY  RESIGN BOTH HIS CGA
>AND FCGA  designations. This seems to be a first for Canada, where an FCGA
>surrenders what was supposed to be a prestigious designation.  In the past
>year Mearns and one of his businesses have both gone bankrupt.
>
>Mind you, Mearns got his FCGA in connection with his work in 1987-1988,
>where he was involved with THE ADMISSSION TO CGA ALBERTA OF UNQUALIFIED
>BOOKKEEPERS, WHO WERE GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION, WITHOUT ANY REQUIREMENT FOR
>EDUCATION,QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, NO EXAMS or even a requirement for
>upgrading courses to bring them up to an acceptable standard.  CGA Alberta
>of course benefitted financially, from the huge increase in dues and fees
>from these new members.
>
>The Vancouver Sun and other national media recently carried banner headlines
>regarding ROMAN EVANCIC, another FCGA, who had got himself SHOT!!!  This was
>apparently in connection with some business partner and a collections
>problem. The news reported that the assailant said, as he shot Evancic:" I'm
>from your stock brokers. I  understand you ripped him off." (Vancouver Sun -
>11 January 1996).
>
>And don't forget the scandal exposed on national TV of the Surrey, BC  CGA
>convicted of embezzling millions of dollars from fellow parishioners of his  church.
>
>Are these published reports, as well as others, part of the reason that the
>Maritime Provinces have successfully maintained that CGA's in those
>provinces ARE  NOT  QUALIFIED to perform public audits? Could it have
>something to do with the fact that an unqualified CGA from Alberta could
>move to the Maritimes, and even though unqualified, could still call himself  a CGA there?
>
>As a result of all the bad publicity regarding  problem CGA's in Canada, CGA
>Canada is  now desperately trying to recruit new members from the ignorant
>in  CHINA  and the Caribbean,
>                           
>
>
>Students of accounting in CHINA and  the Caribbean,  who must pay many
>                                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>tens of thousands of dollars to obtain your designation, how do you feel
>about these "gwaliau" who got the CGA for FREE?
>
>Those of you concerned about credibility in the accounting profession are
>invited to respond.
>
>



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Sun Nov  1 16:15:38 EST 1998
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What is the final number of wealthy Chinese who returned to Hong Kong
in 1997?

The 200,000 refers only to the first 6 months of 1997.
This must have put a major economic drain on the economies of those
cities such as Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton, where Chinese used to
locate.

On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:26:44 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>A major reason for the return of more than 200,000 Canadian Chinese
>between January and June 1997, as reported by Canadian media, is the
>extortionate taxes in Canada.

>Last year, the JEW Bronfmans took more than 2.2 BILLION dollars out of
>Canada, WITHOUT PAYING THEIR TAXES!!!

>The same day that the Auditor-general of canada exposed this, the
>finance minister amended the Income Tax Act, so that the Chinese
>immigrants would now have to pay INCOME TAXES ON THEIR OVERSEAS
>ASSETS, not just on the INCOME coming into Canada.

>This is now almost a half page section of the 1996 year Income Tax
>returns.

>As a result, those Canadian Chinese who have brains, have left Canada,
>together with their billions, without paying the extortionate canadian
>Income Taxes.

>At the same time, they have sold their real estate in vancouver,
>Toronto and Edmonton, even at a loss, just to get out of Canada, and
>have also closed down many businesses.

>Canada is now experiencing dramatic drops in the value of real estate
>in most cities, as the Chinese investors and speculators abandon the
>country.


>>In article <19971007201501.QAA07156@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>>  clturnomad@aol.com (Clturnomad) wrote:

>>> I am doing research for an article I am writing about Hong Kong, and I am
>>>  interested in people's response to the following question:

>>> In the last few years, there has been a surge of "returnees" to Hong Kong -
>>>  people who left the territory to get a foreign passport, and have now
>>>  returned.  My question is this:  Why do Hong Kong people who have emigrated
>>>  to, say, Canada or the US, and maybe even spent years living in their new
>>>  home, feel the desire to return to Hong Kong?  Is there anything about Hong
>>>  Kong that is really that much better than the US or Canada?


On 31 Oct 1998 06:00:34 GMT, Spehro Pefhany 
wrote:

>In soc.culture.china Patrick Cheong  wrote:
>> When they migrated to Canada, only the income and asserts within Canada were
>> taxable.
>> Then the Canadians amended to law to include all asserts abroad to be
>> taxable.
>> The only way to avoid this tax but keeping the Canadian citizenship is to
>> declare themselves as non-residential Canadians and move everything out of
>> Canada.



>Nonsense. Worldwide income has always been taxed for Canadian residents
>(at least in the last 20 years). Assets abroad are not taxed, only income
>(which often results from assets) or capital gains (from selling assets).
>
>There was a reporting law enacted recently which requires reporting of
>foreign assets and severely punishes not reporting them. 
>
>Some people may think that it is unfair for Canada to tax money made
>entirely outside the country because the owner is a Canadian resident,
>others think it to be entirely fair. Anyway, it is the law. The US is even
>more extreme and taxes its citizens even if they are not resident. 



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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:55:17 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:15:01 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>Notice that supporters of the Christkillers can not answer the
>>questions, or respond to points, so they try ad hominem attacks.
>>
>>History has shown that far too many of the murderers of Christ, and
>>their followers, have been involved in one disaster after another, up
>>to and including communism...
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:45:30 -0400, alg3@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>>>Ivan Petrenko wrote:
>>>
>>>> ATTENTION SUSAN COHEN:
>>>>
>>>> OK, so I am now reading so many of your posts that I think to myself-
>>>
>>>And you shoud've kept to yourself whatever you were thinking. Mark Twain had
>>>a good advice to the trolls like yourself: "It is better to keep quiet and
>>>look intelligent then open your mouth and remove all doubts." :)
>>>
>>>> etah zhenzchinah/this woman has incredible amount hate and anger, enough
>>>> hate in her to start war.
>>>
>>>Another well known tactic, the lame hatemongers like you are so fond of:
>>>"Substitute the lack of arguments with the character assassination"
>>>
>>>> If you don't relax and lighten up little bit, Susan Cohen, I afraid you
>>>> get high blood pressure. Really I think real problem is you can't find
>>>> man.
>>>
>>>Lame, lame...
>>>
>>>> Mozhet bit, maybe you is old maid woman who is very angry at whole
>>>> world.  You need consult with our wise advisor on this site- his name is
>>>> Panikovsky.  You look for his name on posts and read his website.  He
>>>> has help for women like you Susan.
>>>
>>>Did you use his help as well? :)
>>>
>>>> Who has time to write so many posts like you Susan?  Also on this day,
>>>> which is big day for Jews holiday - the Passover.  But you home alone
>>>> writing hate mail.  What sad life you have. But Panikovsky can help you.
>>>> There is hope for you to become happy nice woman someday. Then we
>>>> all not think of you as arrogant bitch.
>>>
>>>> I. Petrenko
>>>
>>>Crawl back into your hole, loser
>>
>>[File: C:\Program Files\Netscape\files\100MILLIONS.TXT]



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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:27:50 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:12:03 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>Grigori Khaskin wrote:
>
>>> : It seems that the Russian JEWs, and their lackeys have already forgotten
>>> : who established the Soviet secret Police, forerunners of the dreaded KGB
>>> : - it was that great JEW Felix DZERZHINSKI!!!
>
>>> Iron Felix was somehow 100% polish if you want to bring race
>>> question to history following hitler writings, you stuck with that. And,
>>> btw, Red Terror started, when CHEKA member jew Moses Uritsky was killed by
>>> antibolshevik jew Leonid Kanegisser and jew Dora Kaplan (renamed later to
>>> Fanni) tried to exterminate Lenin (she was killed by Russian Kremlin
>>> comendant P.D.Mal`kov)
>
>>> : It was the secret police that engaged in genocide - first on the
>>> : Russians, then the more than 30 million Ukrainians murdered by the JEW
>>> : Kommissars!!!
>
>>> : How many tens of millions bodies does it take to REMEMBER - that it was
>>> : the SOVIET JEWS who first engaged in genocide?
>
>>> Your pathetic lies do not cover the fact that revolution and whatever came
>>> after it was made MOSTLY by russians with the help of course of all
>>> brotherly nations - lituaninas, polish, georgian and as well jews. But
>>> more than 3/4 of russian in the bolshevik gand (and Russian was making
>>> less than 53% according to census in 1924) sound a little bit like
>>> overrepresentation. And that is why you blame jews for own crimes and
>>> terminal stupidity.
>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> G.K.
>
>>Glad to see that even a stupid Russian can sometimes tell the truth -
>>ABOUT THE JEWS CONTROLLING THE FORMER SOVIET UNION!!!
>
>>I find it offensive that you wish to blame some Polish people, who were
>>JEWS, for the fact that the former Soviet union regularly engaged in
>>genocide.



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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:43:00 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>>On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:49:07 GMT, pavels@vpdm.com (Simonovsky Pavel)
>>wrote:
>
>>>On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:29:20 -0500, Susan Cohen 
>>>wrote:
>>>!>Steve Simons wrote:
>
>>>!>> THERE IS A PASSAGE IN THE TALMUD THATS SAYS JEWS SHOULD CHEAT
>>>!NON-JEWS
>>>!>> FOR THEIR WEALTH IS NOTHING MORE THAN PUBLIC PROPERTY, GOOD FOR
>>>!THE
>>>!>> TAKING.
>
>>>>I notice you don't exactly quote the phrase - from whence it specifically
>>>>comes.Oh, that's right, you can't, because this is a complete lie!
>
>>>No it is not "complete lie". I remember that on our book for Hebrew
>>>studies in Tel Aviv university we read the same fragment from talmud.
>>>Of cause I don't remeber from which his part and wich page exactly.,
>>>but may be you will say , that authors of this book were also
>>>"antisemitic liers"?
>
>>When even a JEW admits that this portion is in the TALMUD, one must
>>wonder about what else is in the Talmud, about swindling, and perhaps
>>killing non-JEWS????



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Sun Nov  1 16:16:22 EST 1998
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25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.

They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
the anti-Germans.

Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
Oswiecim?


On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:

>Igal wrote:
>
>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>W.W.II.
>>
>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>purposes.
>>
>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>
>Igal,
>I think you are wrong.
>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>
>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>
>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>such arguments. 
>
>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
>
>(...)
>
>.............................................
>                                                                          
>                                                                          
>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com




On 31 Oct 1998 16:30:03 GMT, Wlodzimierz Godlowski
 wrote:

>igal_peacemaker@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>: ( Sory for long post. I=P)
>
>: First, let's think about ammount of the victims:
>
>: from: http://www.powerup.com.au/~dominion/ff/h15.htm
>: “”Evidence found in  the pockets of  the victims --
>: such  as diaries,  unsent letters  and  Soviet newspapers  -- and
>: forensic tests  confirmed the  date.  In  all, 4,143  bodies were
>: positively identified.””
>
>: So, pan RU8xx,pan Wlodzimierz Godlowski and pan Jerzy Pankiewicz
>:  and others, we have proof ammount of the victims:
>
>: “”4,143 victims””
>
>: it is not 3000 as I wrote, but it is also not a 40 000 or 2 000 000 000
>: as wrote some other readers.
>
>more then 10 000 was total number of killing from Kozielsk (only people
>from that camp was killd in Katyn) Starobielsk and Ostaszkow (on the one 
>decision of the soviet politbiuro.
>2 000 000 not 2 000 000 000 it is total number of Polish Citizen Polish
>and Judaic origin murder by Sowiet in conection with II WW.
>You should know abut it.
>: ========================
>
>: Now, we can go to discussion about political aspects.
>: maybe another interesting fact, who found bodies of the victims:
>
>: <: Katyn forests near Smolensk of  mass graves containing the bodies
>: of  Polish  officers who  the  Germans  said were  killed  by the
>: Soviets in the spring of 1940.>>
>
>Of course that Germans use it in his propaganda. They was not so stiupid
>not do it.
>
>: Bodies were found by German special forces, then the  Polish
>: government-in-exile  in  London  asked  the
>: International Red  Cross to  investigate, the  Soviet Union broke
>: diplomatic  relations  with  the   exiles  and  objected  to  any
>: investigation.  Britain and the U.S.  took the Soviet side in the
>: issue.
>
>: I think, that apperently happend because Lord Churchil and Mr. Rusvelt
>:  were KGB/communists soviet jews.
>????? Are you joking?
>Churchil and Poosvelt was aliant of Stalin and do not want make him angry.
>Thats enough
>
>
>: Later, during the Nuremberg trial, the
>: Soviets accused the  Germans of this  crime. But cold war began and
>: On Dec. 22, 1952, the U.S. Congress, following an investigation by its Select
>: Committee on the Katyn Forest Massacre, unanimously ruled that it
>: was the Soviets who were guilty.
>Not only U.S. Congres say that Katyn was done for Soviet. Also for example
>International Medical Comision from non - participation country.
>In Norymberga on the Soviet demand German was prosecute for Katyn but
>Norymberga Court do not say that German was gilty for Katyn even Soviet
>participated in the Court.
>: Since  World  War  II  the  Katyn  massacre  slipped  into near-oblivion, 
>: except in  Poland.  But  it  has resurfaced  as a result of  a joint 
>: declaration by	Mikhail Gorbachev (great traitor of the USSR and west lackey
>: only) and Polish leader  Gen.  Wojciech Jaruzelski  in	April 21,  1987.  The
>: two agreed that ``blank  spots'' is Soviet-Polish  relations would be
>: removed. 
>
>But Gorbahov was not agrre that Katyn was done by  Soviet. Even now a lot
>of Soviet oficials not agree that Katyn was done by SDoviet
>
> Although the Soviets	committed many crimes against the Poles
>: during and  after World War  II, Katyn remains	high on the agenda, and the
>: joint  Soviet-Polish commission of historians has addressed it.  The  Polish
>: side has  no doubt who	is guilty (who like former occupant), but the Soviets
>: keep repeating the old claim to have ``no evidence to the contrary'' in their
>: archives.  The issue remains deadlocked.  Meanwhile, the Katyn cemetery has
>: been opened to the public -- and the  Germans are  still blamed  for the 
>: crime (poor German Nazis - they never killed any one civilian or military
>: unarmed Pols in WWII, hey Miecz - Sławomir and motherfacker Warr - am I wrong
>: ? ).  However, the Soviets have  claimed about 500 Soviet POWs perished with 
>: the Polish officers (but who is worry about it, Soviet loose Cold War and we
>: do not belive them).
>Nearly all my family was morder by Soviet (and a have documents that it
>was done by Soviet) and I have a lot of friend like me. It is a lot of
>documents that Soviet killed a lot of
>Polish People.
>
> Since the end of the Second World War many facts and
>: many legends have been built up surrounding the events or even "non-events"
>: of that international conflict. Many stories which originated through the
>: official and unofficial propaganda channels have become a part of the popular
>: history of the war. From the time of the war itself, many of the propaganda
>: claims which circulated widely were questioned by official sources. Since the
>: late 1940's, revisionist historians have attempted to bring our official
>: history into accord with the facts. I do not like Stalin regime, but in Katyn
>: story last word was not wrote yet.
>
>It is lie like that "it was only fee Jeavs killed diurin holocaust.
>In Poland You could be prosecute for it.
>My Grand Father was murde in Katyn  and I am very interested in the
>subject of Katyn.
>
>: Documents:
>
>: KATYN FOREST MASSACRE
>
>:       THE CLAIM:
>: Nuremberg Document 054-USSR. Report by a Special
>:  Soviet Commission, 24 January 1944, concerning the
>:  shooting of Polish officer prisoners of war in the forest of
>:  Katyn. The executions had been carried out in autumn 1941
>:  by the German "Staff of the Construction Battalion 537". In
>:  spring 1943 the Germans, by blackmailing witnesses into
>:  giving false evidence and by other means, had tried to make
>:  it appear that the Soviet NKVD was responsible for the
>:  shooting of the 11,000 victims.
>It is a lot of provement that it is lie (even documents Soviet Politbiuro-
>used by Russian Supreme Court durin proces for delegalization of the
>Comunist Pary  after Janayew take over. That documents was also publish in
>Poland (and as I know in the west too).
>
>: (as I proofbefore only 4,143  bodies were found and all were
>: positively identified. I=P)
>
>: THE REVISIONS:
>
>:  "This committee unanimously finds... that the Soviet NKVD
>:  committed the mass murders of the Polish officers and
>:  intellectual leaders in the Katyn Forest... there has not
>:  been... even any remote circumstantial evidence presented
>:  that could indict any other nation in this international crime.
>:  It is an established fact that approximately 15,000 Polish
>:  prisoners were interned in three Soviet camps: Kozielsk,
>:  Starobielsk, and Ostashkov in the winter of 1939-40. With
>:  the exception of 400 prisoners, these men have not been
>:  heard from... since the spring of 1940...."
>: ===
>:  U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee to
>:  Investigate the Facts, The Katyn Forest Massacre:
>:  Final Report. Issued 22 December 1952.
>
>: ( I can belive that from Stalin camps “these men have not been
>:    heard from... since the spring of 1940....", 20 000 000 000 were killed in
>: GULAG, but not because they were Pols, Jews or Russin - no, because they were
>: HUMANs and Stalin do not like HUMANs)
>
>According Mr Chruszczow Report Stalin was killed 60 000 000 milion of
>people (including meny Jews) partialy becous he give represion agains
>human but often becouse thay murder people becouse of nationality
>(aspecialy 
>Polish, Ukrainien, Czeczenien )
>
>: In all cases innocent victims are unforgetable, but we have to know what kind
>: of games politics play. Now Poland like German and do not like Russian, what
>: the time will be after 40 years???
>
>I like Rusian as people and have Russian friends (and Germent friends
>also) but it is a different that even in that moment german vwas danger
>for Poland. Morower Germen was mostly prosecuted for his criminals 
>Russian not.
>
>: I=P
>
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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:24:33 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:06:42 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:14:17, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>On Wed, 23 Sep 98 20:34:05 GMT, stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>     We need to re-orient it, though,
>>>to the countless Aryan lives taken in
>>>jewish contrived wars,
>>
>>>------------Reply Separator----------------
>>>On 9/22/98 4:24PM, in message 
>>><6u9eik$re9@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, NSWPP 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>
>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a 
>>>gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden 
>>>crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi 
>>>death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and 
>>>radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has 
>>>threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him 
>>>and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his 
>>>campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to 
>>>dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between 
>>>the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests 
>>>and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser 
>>>Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are 
>>>beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' 
>>>she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an 
>>>eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management 
>>>of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further 
>>>conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is 
>>>appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 
>>>million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention 
>>>was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, 
>>>which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near 
>>>the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest 
>>>graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish 
>>>groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity 
>>>of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor 
>>>triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from 
>>>the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an 
>>>international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope 
>>>John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a 
>>>nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses 
>>>is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker 
>>>groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics 
>>>with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from 
>>>patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of 
>>>Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the 
>>>government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should 
>>>remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jew coalition, which has 
>>>broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is 
>>>unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the 
>>>presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent 
>>>decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be 
>>>negotiated. 
>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph 
>>>Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the 
>>>answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should 
>>>be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up 
>>>to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, 
>>>``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion 
>>>about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon 
>>>affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of 
>>>Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join 
>>>NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom 
>>>and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to 
>>>improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a 
>>>renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work 
>>>on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent 
>>>run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in 
>>>southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more 
>>>directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an 
>>>extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less 
>>>frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by 
>>>the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from 
>>>across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with 
>>>weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, 
>>>were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the 
>>>extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles 
>>>Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about 
>>>preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a 
>>>better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is 
>>>permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are 
>>>also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high 
>>>hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out 
>>>of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes 
>>>managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political 
>>>prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' 
>>>wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main 
>>>Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating 
>>>dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and 
>>>improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and 
>>>controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a 
>>>leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>Why should the cursed Christkillers dictate to the sovereign people
>>of Poland, what Polish people may do in their own country??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the damned JEW-led KGB
>>who murdered the 25000 Polish officers at KATYN??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the JEW-led soviets
>>who occupied and enslaved the Christian Polish people??
>>
>>-88-



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:12:51 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>
>>>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep
>>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can
>>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of 
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. 
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new
>>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth -
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>>statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a 
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the 
>>>name 
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court -
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>>moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is 
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few -
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. -
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>>claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>                         
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the 
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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cULLED FROM DEJA nEWS, AND WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:13:28 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>Your offer to the crypto-Jew is emminenly sensible.

>Your note about the prosecution of historians in Poland is extremely
>disturbing.

>Does this mean that the Polish JEWS are still controlling Poland,
>through the JEW Communist Party?/

>Are they still connected to the JEW DZERZHINSKI, who established the
>Soviet Communist secret Police, responsible for the KATYN MURDERS, as
>well as the genocide of more than 30 million Ukrainians??





>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:16:44 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:

>>Dear Marzena,

>>	I notice your unhappiness about Polish Historical Society, as well the
>>fact that you are reluctant to spell out that you are of a Polish ethnic
>>background.  But I wish to assure you that once we find a few of the
>>hundreds of missing mass graves and bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazis did
>>not have the time to cremate, we will become holocaustians like you,
>>again, and then you will be happy "with our class".

>>	Why don’t you help us to do it?  The first step is to contribute about
>>$1000.00 with which we could look for the presence or absence of such
>>graves in wartime aerial photos at the US National. Archives. We found
>>them in the air photos of Katyn and Treblinka I for Poles.  We will
>>check the areas suggested by the contributors and especially Jews (e.g.
>>of the well known Vilnius or the small shtetl of Yedwabne).  Support of
>>other contributors is welcomed.  Isn't that worth of us, again, becoming
>>holocaustians. 

>>	Many of you contributed an estimated total of $150,000 for the search
>>of a few small graves in air photos of Bosnia with a splendid results! 
>>With a one time contribution of $1,000 you could shot down the entire
>>proliferating and burgeoning Holocaust Revisionism will collapse.  You
>>are unnecessarily ashamed of the PHS. Please remember that even The New
>>York Times  illustrated and entitled our essay "Do Not Cut Off All
>>Debate About Holocaust" on 1/1/94.

>>	There is little doubt that you are a Polish crypto-Jew.  Thus, you
>>should worry about four periodicals are being presently sold at the
>>newsstands which persistently carry Holocaust revisionists articles. 
>>All of them especially Stanczyk are at the highest scholarly and
>>philosophical level.  Adam Gmurczyk, a 34 years old historian and an
>>editor of the monthly Szczerbiec was featured five weeks ago on the
>>front page of the governmental daily Trybuna because the Prosecutor
>>General wants to file charges against him for translating and publishing
>>"66 Question and Answers About the Holocaust."  The maximum penalty
>>Gmurczyk is face is twenty three years in prison. During the last five
>>years Poland became the hotbed of Holocaust Revisionism.  Even in USA,
>>protected by the First Amendment, not a single newsstand or bookstore is
>>know to sell any revisionist literature.

>>	Graduate of Polish Catholic Academy (an university), Gmurczyk says "We
>>can not build greatness of our country on someone else’s lies." 
>>Revisionism is also burgeoning in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and slowly in
>>Arabic countries.  It is prosecuted in France, Germany, Switzerland and
>>Sweden. 

>>	If you want to stop it, lets start to look for the mass graves of
>>4,000,000 Jews, whom the Nazis did not have time to cremate.  The
>>rallying cry of Revisionists is:

>>                  NO   BONES,  NO  HOLOCAUST!

>>Jan Konieczny


>>> > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>>> > To: Marzena
>>> > Subject: Re: Polish Friends
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 4:20 AM


>>> > > PAWLIKOWSKI  wrote in article


>>> > > > this sanctimoniuos graphomaniac posted the message below also on
>>> > > > soc.culture.ukrainian but entitled Ukrainian Friends.  This lying Jew
>>> > > > does not post on soc.culture.jewish
>>> > > > jp


>>> > > > greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> > > > > Dear Polish friends,
>>> > > > > Unquestionably the vast majority of contributors to the Polish
>>> > > newsgroup
>>> > > > > are a fine group of people, and like most Americans and others
>>> living
>>> > > in
>>> > > > > a democracy, enjoy the discussions, exchanges of ideas and become
>>> > > > > better informed by that discourse.
>>> > > > > Unfortunately, there are a few, actually  very few, clear
>>> disrupters of
>>> > > > > this
>>> > > > > fine newsgroup who contribute nothing to the group and only leave a
>>> > > > > sour taste that reflects poorly on the Poles in the group. Clearly,
>>> > > > > those
>>> > > > > people are revisionists and belong in alt.revisionism not
>>> > > > > soc.culture.polish .
>>> > > > >  In  order to help direct those revisionists to the group they need
>>> to
>>> > > > > be
>>> > > > > posting to I will reply to people like Pawlikowski, ONEMARINE,
>>> > > > > Vmartin750, Hwolski, Giwer/Wallace and revisionists like them, only
>>> in
>>> > > > > alt.revisionism . This is to avoid playing the same disgusting game
>>> > > they
>>> > > > > are doing by polluting the Polish newsgroup. Clearly they are not
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > same league with normal human beings dealing with fair discourse.
>>> > > > > The Pawlikowski klan are clearly racists, neo-Nazi revisionists,
>>> > > > > Jew-baiters, Jew-haters and anti-Roman Catholic. They defend the
>>> Nazi
>>> > > > > SS,
>>> > > > > and make bizarre statements like "Polish Roman Catholic Priests
>>> sent to
>>> > > > > Nazi Concentration Camps were given Butlers", "Nazi doctors like
>>> > > Mengele
>>> > > > > practiced Ethical Medicine at Auschwitz", deny the murder of 652
>>> French
>>> > > > > Roman Catholics were forced into a Church at Oradour sur Glane and
>>> > > blown
>>> > > > > up by the Nazi police and believe both Pope Paul II and
>>> > > > > Cardinal O'conner were corrupt and bribed by Jews. They vicious
>>> jackals
>>> > > > > pose as  fake "historians" and their qualifications are stated as
>>> > > > > "common
>>> > > > > sense" instead of degreed historians. Their cover is Polish
>>> Historical
>>> > > > > Society. A typical distortion is their warm greeting to Matt Giwer/
>>> > > > > Wallace, the bizarre Jew-hater is "welcome Mr. Wallace what a fine
>>> > > > > Scotch name you have". Giwer is to Scotland as Pawlikowski to
>>> Polish
>>> > > > > patriotism!
>>> > > > > As far as the trio, degenerate ONEMARINE,Vmartin750 & Hwolski. I
>>> regard
>>> > > > > them as unfit human refuse, having nothing to do with realistic
>>> human
>>> > > > > interface. They attack everyone they disagree with vile
>>> vituperation
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > attack even a fine Roman Catholic, Anne Czubek without rhyme nor
>>> > > reason.
>>> > > > > I can take the filthy lies and degeneracy by myself, but when these
>>> > > > > sub-humans flies gnaw at my sick and elderly bedridden Mother by
>>> > > calling
>>> > > > > her "a slimey cheap whore" or their constantly fabricated stories
>>> of
>>> > > > > homosexuality and other distortions, they have gone beyond the
>>> bounds
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > human decency- even for scum like them from the dregs of the human
>>> > > > > sub-culture. If you don't agree look at the words that came from
>>> > > > > HWolski's brain and keyboard:
>>> > > > > "Fuck you jew queer hermie. Did you have fun butt banging another
>>> queer
>>> > > > > last night,  pornographer scum. Hiding with a phony addres doesn't
>>> fool
>>> > > > > anyone homo. You are a jew pig pervert that should be in a
>>> > > > > cage with other slimy jew perverts."
>>> > > > > Is this how human beings discuss issues?
>>> > > > > Are there any Poles here think that kind of degeneracy belongs in
>>> the
>>> > > > > Polish newsgroup- or anywhere else?
>>> > > > > Herman




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You will probably be branded a racist by the Jew Sol Littman and his
band of terrorists!!!

They do not want non-Jews like you to read their books, which detail
THEIR RACIST POLICIES!!!


On 22 Mar 1998 17:57:57 GMT, intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>vark! (mjh@idigital.net) wrote:
>: intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>: > But who decides.  The flat earth people say it is hatred against their
>: > beliefs for schools to teach that the world is round.
>
>: *We* are to say, the collective voice of our nation.  You know,
>: 'Democracy'.  But congratulations for utterly trivializing a serious
>: debate.
>
>Ok, read the following from the Jewish Talmud and ask yourself if it is
>racism and promotes hatred.
>
>
>
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:56:42 -0800
>From: Cool Canadian 
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine
>Subject: Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud
>
>
>
>"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..." 
>
>            "Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society,
>p. XII
>
>The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish
>peoples, as "Gentiles",
>"Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning
>the non-Jewish majority,
>i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People": 
>
>"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They
>are beasts." 
>
>Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b 
>
>"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor
>the the dog more
>than the non-Jew." 
>
>Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 
>
>"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human
>form. It is not
>becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served
>by animals in
>human form." 
>
>Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855 
>
>"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 405 
>
>"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." 
>
>Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b 
>
>"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they
>compare with the
>Jew like a monkey to a human." 
>
>Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b 
>
>"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." 
>
>Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b 
>
>"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not
>express sympathy to
>the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as
>if one of his oxen or
>asses had died"." 
>
>Jore dea 377, 1 
>
>"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between
>animals." 
>
>Talmud Sanhedrin 74b 
>
>"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." 
>
>Sepher ikkarim III c 25 
>
>"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians
>belong to the denying
>ones of the Torah." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 
>
>"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." 
>
>Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b 
>
>"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the
>same as making a
>sacrifice to God." 
>
>Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772



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The Edmonton Sun newspaper in Edmonton Canada had an interesting 1/2
page article on page 16, March 8 1998.

It was reporting on a Bnai Brith all day confrence held at the Jew
center. The meeting, attended by all kinds of Jews from BB and similar
organisations was attended supposedly by 60 persons, to allegedly
discuss the spread of hate on Internet.

The lead speaker was one Ken McVay, whom the media referred to as " a
former B.C. service station employee".

The meeting was held in Edmonton, Alberta, canada because Bnai Brith
feels that much of the new hate literature on the net comes from
Western Canada, where people apparently think more than in the east.

BB is afraid of groups like the Canadian Association for Free
Expression, Canada First Immigration Reform Committee.

BB is absolutely fearful of websites such as that operated by Frontier
Technology in Oliver, B.C. =www. ftc.com, which BB claims gives links
to similar minded groups and websites.

BB were extremely concerned about the US-based Zundelsite, which about
the well-known historian, Ernst Zundel and his attempts to debunk the
Holohoax.


On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
wrote:

>>someone@somewhere.com wrote:
> 
>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>
>Nothing new here.
> 
>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>> it is NOT!!!
>
>Definitely not a charity.
> 
>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
> 
>
>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>> answer??
> 
>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
> 
>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
> 
>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
> 
>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>> who can be reached at:
>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
> 
>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
> 
> 
>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
> 
> 
>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
> 
>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
> 
>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
> 
>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>
>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>
> 
>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>> >               letters?
>
>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>
> 
>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
> 
>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>
>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>Brith's butt.
> 
>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>
>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
> 
>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
> 
>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>
>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
> 
>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
> 
>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>Canadian dollars. 
>
>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
> 
>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>> >OyVey???
>
>It's a reasonable assumption.
> 
>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
> 
> 
>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
> 
>>> >Check this out!
>
>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>letter just ask.
>
> 
>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
> 
>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
> 
>>>  The League is working closely
>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>
>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>
> 
>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>
>That is putting it "lightly".
>
>
>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>
>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>the Nizkooks are up to.
>
> 
>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>> >dramatizations.
> 
>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>
>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
> 
>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
> 
>>> >www.natvan.com
>>> >www.natall.com

>Michael
>nationalist@juno.com
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cULLED FROM DEJA nEWS, AND WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:13:28 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>Your offer to the crypto-Jew is emminenly sensible.

>Your note about the prosecution of historians in Poland is extremely
>disturbing.

>Does this mean that the Polish JEWS are still controlling Poland,
>through the JEW Communist Party?/

>Are they still connected to the JEW DZERZHINSKI, who established the
>Soviet Communist secret Police, responsible for the KATYN MURDERS, as
>well as the genocide of more than 30 million Ukrainians??





>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:16:44 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:

>>Dear Marzena,

>>	I notice your unhappiness about Polish Historical Society, as well the
>>fact that you are reluctant to spell out that you are of a Polish ethnic
>>background.  But I wish to assure you that once we find a few of the
>>hundreds of missing mass graves and bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazis did
>>not have the time to cremate, we will become holocaustians like you,
>>again, and then you will be happy "with our class".

>>	Why don’t you help us to do it?  The first step is to contribute about
>>$1000.00 with which we could look for the presence or absence of such
>>graves in wartime aerial photos at the US National. Archives. We found
>>them in the air photos of Katyn and Treblinka I for Poles.  We will
>>check the areas suggested by the contributors and especially Jews (e.g.
>>of the well known Vilnius or the small shtetl of Yedwabne).  Support of
>>other contributors is welcomed.  Isn't that worth of us, again, becoming
>>holocaustians. 

>>	Many of you contributed an estimated total of $150,000 for the search
>>of a few small graves in air photos of Bosnia with a splendid results! 
>>With a one time contribution of $1,000 you could shot down the entire
>>proliferating and burgeoning Holocaust Revisionism will collapse.  You
>>are unnecessarily ashamed of the PHS. Please remember that even The New
>>York Times  illustrated and entitled our essay "Do Not Cut Off All
>>Debate About Holocaust" on 1/1/94.

>>	There is little doubt that you are a Polish crypto-Jew.  Thus, you
>>should worry about four periodicals are being presently sold at the
>>newsstands which persistently carry Holocaust revisionists articles. 
>>All of them especially Stanczyk are at the highest scholarly and
>>philosophical level.  Adam Gmurczyk, a 34 years old historian and an
>>editor of the monthly Szczerbiec was featured five weeks ago on the
>>front page of the governmental daily Trybuna because the Prosecutor
>>General wants to file charges against him for translating and publishing
>>"66 Question and Answers About the Holocaust."  The maximum penalty
>>Gmurczyk is face is twenty three years in prison. During the last five
>>years Poland became the hotbed of Holocaust Revisionism.  Even in USA,
>>protected by the First Amendment, not a single newsstand or bookstore is
>>know to sell any revisionist literature.

>>	Graduate of Polish Catholic Academy (an university), Gmurczyk says "We
>>can not build greatness of our country on someone else’s lies." 
>>Revisionism is also burgeoning in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and slowly in
>>Arabic countries.  It is prosecuted in France, Germany, Switzerland and
>>Sweden. 

>>	If you want to stop it, lets start to look for the mass graves of
>>4,000,000 Jews, whom the Nazis did not have time to cremate.  The
>>rallying cry of Revisionists is:

>>                  NO   BONES,  NO  HOLOCAUST!

>>Jan Konieczny


>>> > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>>> > To: Marzena
>>> > Subject: Re: Polish Friends
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 4:20 AM


>>> > > PAWLIKOWSKI  wrote in article


>>> > > > this sanctimoniuos graphomaniac posted the message below also on
>>> > > > soc.culture.ukrainian but entitled Ukrainian Friends.  This lying Jew
>>> > > > does not post on soc.culture.jewish
>>> > > > jp


>>> > > > greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> > > > > Dear Polish friends,
>>> > > > > Unquestionably the vast majority of contributors to the Polish
>>> > > newsgroup
>>> > > > > are a fine group of people, and like most Americans and others
>>> living
>>> > > in
>>> > > > > a democracy, enjoy the discussions, exchanges of ideas and become
>>> > > > > better informed by that discourse.
>>> > > > > Unfortunately, there are a few, actually  very few, clear
>>> disrupters of
>>> > > > > this
>>> > > > > fine newsgroup who contribute nothing to the group and only leave a
>>> > > > > sour taste that reflects poorly on the Poles in the group. Clearly,
>>> > > > > those
>>> > > > > people are revisionists and belong in alt.revisionism not
>>> > > > > soc.culture.polish .
>>> > > > >  In  order to help direct those revisionists to the group they need
>>> to
>>> > > > > be
>>> > > > > posting to I will reply to people like Pawlikowski, ONEMARINE,
>>> > > > > Vmartin750, Hwolski, Giwer/Wallace and revisionists like them, only
>>> in
>>> > > > > alt.revisionism . This is to avoid playing the same disgusting game
>>> > > they
>>> > > > > are doing by polluting the Polish newsgroup. Clearly they are not
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > same league with normal human beings dealing with fair discourse.
>>> > > > > The Pawlikowski klan are clearly racists, neo-Nazi revisionists,
>>> > > > > Jew-baiters, Jew-haters and anti-Roman Catholic. They defend the
>>> Nazi
>>> > > > > SS,
>>> > > > > and make bizarre statements like "Polish Roman Catholic Priests
>>> sent to
>>> > > > > Nazi Concentration Camps were given Butlers", "Nazi doctors like
>>> > > Mengele
>>> > > > > practiced Ethical Medicine at Auschwitz", deny the murder of 652
>>> French
>>> > > > > Roman Catholics were forced into a Church at Oradour sur Glane and
>>> > > blown
>>> > > > > up by the Nazi police and believe both Pope Paul II and
>>> > > > > Cardinal O'conner were corrupt and bribed by Jews. They vicious
>>> jackals
>>> > > > > pose as  fake "historians" and their qualifications are stated as
>>> > > > > "common
>>> > > > > sense" instead of degreed historians. Their cover is Polish
>>> Historical
>>> > > > > Society. A typical distortion is their warm greeting to Matt Giwer/
>>> > > > > Wallace, the bizarre Jew-hater is "welcome Mr. Wallace what a fine
>>> > > > > Scotch name you have". Giwer is to Scotland as Pawlikowski to
>>> Polish
>>> > > > > patriotism!
>>> > > > > As far as the trio, degenerate ONEMARINE,Vmartin750 & Hwolski. I
>>> regard
>>> > > > > them as unfit human refuse, having nothing to do with realistic
>>> human
>>> > > > > interface. They attack everyone they disagree with vile
>>> vituperation
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > attack even a fine Roman Catholic, Anne Czubek without rhyme nor
>>> > > reason.
>>> > > > > I can take the filthy lies and degeneracy by myself, but when these
>>> > > > > sub-humans flies gnaw at my sick and elderly bedridden Mother by
>>> > > calling
>>> > > > > her "a slimey cheap whore" or their constantly fabricated stories
>>> of
>>> > > > > homosexuality and other distortions, they have gone beyond the
>>> bounds
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > human decency- even for scum like them from the dregs of the human
>>> > > > > sub-culture. If you don't agree look at the words that came from
>>> > > > > HWolski's brain and keyboard:
>>> > > > > "Fuck you jew queer hermie. Did you have fun butt banging another
>>> queer
>>> > > > > last night,  pornographer scum. Hiding with a phony addres doesn't
>>> fool
>>> > > > > anyone homo. You are a jew pig pervert that should be in a
>>> > > > > cage with other slimy jew perverts."
>>> > > > > Is this how human beings discuss issues?
>>> > > > > Are there any Poles here think that kind of degeneracy belongs in
>>> the
>>> > > > > Polish newsgroup- or anywhere else?
>>> > > > > Herman




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cULLED FROM DEJA nEWS, AND WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:13:28 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>Your offer to the crypto-Jew is emminenly sensible.

>Your note about the prosecution of historians in Poland is extremely
>disturbing.

>Does this mean that the Polish JEWS are still controlling Poland,
>through the JEW Communist Party?/

>Are they still connected to the JEW DZERZHINSKI, who established the
>Soviet Communist secret Police, responsible for the KATYN MURDERS, as
>well as the genocide of more than 30 million Ukrainians??





>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:16:44 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:

>>Dear Marzena,

>>	I notice your unhappiness about Polish Historical Society, as well the
>>fact that you are reluctant to spell out that you are of a Polish ethnic
>>background.  But I wish to assure you that once we find a few of the
>>hundreds of missing mass graves and bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazis did
>>not have the time to cremate, we will become holocaustians like you,
>>again, and then you will be happy "with our class".

>>	Why don’t you help us to do it?  The first step is to contribute about
>>$1000.00 with which we could look for the presence or absence of such
>>graves in wartime aerial photos at the US National. Archives. We found
>>them in the air photos of Katyn and Treblinka I for Poles.  We will
>>check the areas suggested by the contributors and especially Jews (e.g.
>>of the well known Vilnius or the small shtetl of Yedwabne).  Support of
>>other contributors is welcomed.  Isn't that worth of us, again, becoming
>>holocaustians. 

>>	Many of you contributed an estimated total of $150,000 for the search
>>of a few small graves in air photos of Bosnia with a splendid results! 
>>With a one time contribution of $1,000 you could shot down the entire
>>proliferating and burgeoning Holocaust Revisionism will collapse.  You
>>are unnecessarily ashamed of the PHS. Please remember that even The New
>>York Times  illustrated and entitled our essay "Do Not Cut Off All
>>Debate About Holocaust" on 1/1/94.

>>	There is little doubt that you are a Polish crypto-Jew.  Thus, you
>>should worry about four periodicals are being presently sold at the
>>newsstands which persistently carry Holocaust revisionists articles. 
>>All of them especially Stanczyk are at the highest scholarly and
>>philosophical level.  Adam Gmurczyk, a 34 years old historian and an
>>editor of the monthly Szczerbiec was featured five weeks ago on the
>>front page of the governmental daily Trybuna because the Prosecutor
>>General wants to file charges against him for translating and publishing
>>"66 Question and Answers About the Holocaust."  The maximum penalty
>>Gmurczyk is face is twenty three years in prison. During the last five
>>years Poland became the hotbed of Holocaust Revisionism.  Even in USA,
>>protected by the First Amendment, not a single newsstand or bookstore is
>>know to sell any revisionist literature.

>>	Graduate of Polish Catholic Academy (an university), Gmurczyk says "We
>>can not build greatness of our country on someone else’s lies." 
>>Revisionism is also burgeoning in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and slowly in
>>Arabic countries.  It is prosecuted in France, Germany, Switzerland and
>>Sweden. 

>>	If you want to stop it, lets start to look for the mass graves of
>>4,000,000 Jews, whom the Nazis did not have time to cremate.  The
>>rallying cry of Revisionists is:

>>                  NO   BONES,  NO  HOLOCAUST!

>>Jan Konieczny


>>> > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>>> > To: Marzena
>>> > Subject: Re: Polish Friends
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 4:20 AM


>>> > > PAWLIKOWSKI  wrote in article


>>> > > > this sanctimoniuos graphomaniac posted the message below also on
>>> > > > soc.culture.ukrainian but entitled Ukrainian Friends.  This lying Jew
>>> > > > does not post on soc.culture.jewish
>>> > > > jp


>>> > > > greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> > > > > Dear Polish friends,
>>> > > > > Unquestionably the vast majority of contributors to the Polish
>>> > > newsgroup
>>> > > > > are a fine group of people, and like most Americans and others
>>> living
>>> > > in
>>> > > > > a democracy, enjoy the discussions, exchanges of ideas and become
>>> > > > > better informed by that discourse.
>>> > > > > Unfortunately, there are a few, actually  very few, clear
>>> disrupters of
>>> > > > > this
>>> > > > > fine newsgroup who contribute nothing to the group and only leave a
>>> > > > > sour taste that reflects poorly on the Poles in the group. Clearly,
>>> > > > > those
>>> > > > > people are revisionists and belong in alt.revisionism not
>>> > > > > soc.culture.polish .
>>> > > > >  In  order to help direct those revisionists to the group they need
>>> to
>>> > > > > be
>>> > > > > posting to I will reply to people like Pawlikowski, ONEMARINE,
>>> > > > > Vmartin750, Hwolski, Giwer/Wallace and revisionists like them, only
>>> in
>>> > > > > alt.revisionism . This is to avoid playing the same disgusting game
>>> > > they
>>> > > > > are doing by polluting the Polish newsgroup. Clearly they are not
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > same league with normal human beings dealing with fair discourse.
>>> > > > > The Pawlikowski klan are clearly racists, neo-Nazi revisionists,
>>> > > > > Jew-baiters, Jew-haters and anti-Roman Catholic. They defend the
>>> Nazi
>>> > > > > SS,
>>> > > > > and make bizarre statements like "Polish Roman Catholic Priests
>>> sent to
>>> > > > > Nazi Concentration Camps were given Butlers", "Nazi doctors like
>>> > > Mengele
>>> > > > > practiced Ethical Medicine at Auschwitz", deny the murder of 652
>>> French
>>> > > > > Roman Catholics were forced into a Church at Oradour sur Glane and
>>> > > blown
>>> > > > > up by the Nazi police and believe both Pope Paul II and
>>> > > > > Cardinal O'conner were corrupt and bribed by Jews. They vicious
>>> jackals
>>> > > > > pose as  fake "historians" and their qualifications are stated as
>>> > > > > "common
>>> > > > > sense" instead of degreed historians. Their cover is Polish
>>> Historical
>>> > > > > Society. A typical distortion is their warm greeting to Matt Giwer/
>>> > > > > Wallace, the bizarre Jew-hater is "welcome Mr. Wallace what a fine
>>> > > > > Scotch name you have". Giwer is to Scotland as Pawlikowski to
>>> Polish
>>> > > > > patriotism!
>>> > > > > As far as the trio, degenerate ONEMARINE,Vmartin750 & Hwolski. I
>>> regard
>>> > > > > them as unfit human refuse, having nothing to do with realistic
>>> human
>>> > > > > interface. They attack everyone they disagree with vile
>>> vituperation
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > attack even a fine Roman Catholic, Anne Czubek without rhyme nor
>>> > > reason.
>>> > > > > I can take the filthy lies and degeneracy by myself, but when these
>>> > > > > sub-humans flies gnaw at my sick and elderly bedridden Mother by
>>> > > calling
>>> > > > > her "a slimey cheap whore" or their constantly fabricated stories
>>> of
>>> > > > > homosexuality and other distortions, they have gone beyond the
>>> bounds
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > human decency- even for scum like them from the dregs of the human
>>> > > > > sub-culture. If you don't agree look at the words that came from
>>> > > > > HWolski's brain and keyboard:
>>> > > > > "Fuck you jew queer hermie. Did you have fun butt banging another
>>> queer
>>> > > > > last night,  pornographer scum. Hiding with a phony addres doesn't
>>> fool
>>> > > > > anyone homo. You are a jew pig pervert that should be in a
>>> > > > > cage with other slimy jew perverts."
>>> > > > > Is this how human beings discuss issues?
>>> > > > > Are there any Poles here think that kind of degeneracy belongs in
>>> the
>>> > > > > Polish newsgroup- or anywhere else?
>>> > > > > Herman




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cULLED FROM DEJA nEWS, AND WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:13:28 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>Your offer to the crypto-Jew is emminenly sensible.

>Your note about the prosecution of historians in Poland is extremely
>disturbing.

>Does this mean that the Polish JEWS are still controlling Poland,
>through the JEW Communist Party?/

>Are they still connected to the JEW DZERZHINSKI, who established the
>Soviet Communist secret Police, responsible for the KATYN MURDERS, as
>well as the genocide of more than 30 million Ukrainians??





>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:16:44 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:

>>Dear Marzena,

>>	I notice your unhappiness about Polish Historical Society, as well the
>>fact that you are reluctant to spell out that you are of a Polish ethnic
>>background.  But I wish to assure you that once we find a few of the
>>hundreds of missing mass graves and bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazis did
>>not have the time to cremate, we will become holocaustians like you,
>>again, and then you will be happy "with our class".

>>	Why don’t you help us to do it?  The first step is to contribute about
>>$1000.00 with which we could look for the presence or absence of such
>>graves in wartime aerial photos at the US National. Archives. We found
>>them in the air photos of Katyn and Treblinka I for Poles.  We will
>>check the areas suggested by the contributors and especially Jews (e.g.
>>of the well known Vilnius or the small shtetl of Yedwabne).  Support of
>>other contributors is welcomed.  Isn't that worth of us, again, becoming
>>holocaustians. 

>>	Many of you contributed an estimated total of $150,000 for the search
>>of a few small graves in air photos of Bosnia with a splendid results! 
>>With a one time contribution of $1,000 you could shot down the entire
>>proliferating and burgeoning Holocaust Revisionism will collapse.  You
>>are unnecessarily ashamed of the PHS. Please remember that even The New
>>York Times  illustrated and entitled our essay "Do Not Cut Off All
>>Debate About Holocaust" on 1/1/94.

>>	There is little doubt that you are a Polish crypto-Jew.  Thus, you
>>should worry about four periodicals are being presently sold at the
>>newsstands which persistently carry Holocaust revisionists articles. 
>>All of them especially Stanczyk are at the highest scholarly and
>>philosophical level.  Adam Gmurczyk, a 34 years old historian and an
>>editor of the monthly Szczerbiec was featured five weeks ago on the
>>front page of the governmental daily Trybuna because the Prosecutor
>>General wants to file charges against him for translating and publishing
>>"66 Question and Answers About the Holocaust."  The maximum penalty
>>Gmurczyk is face is twenty three years in prison. During the last five
>>years Poland became the hotbed of Holocaust Revisionism.  Even in USA,
>>protected by the First Amendment, not a single newsstand or bookstore is
>>know to sell any revisionist literature.

>>	Graduate of Polish Catholic Academy (an university), Gmurczyk says "We
>>can not build greatness of our country on someone else’s lies." 
>>Revisionism is also burgeoning in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and slowly in
>>Arabic countries.  It is prosecuted in France, Germany, Switzerland and
>>Sweden. 

>>	If you want to stop it, lets start to look for the mass graves of
>>4,000,000 Jews, whom the Nazis did not have time to cremate.  The
>>rallying cry of Revisionists is:

>>                  NO   BONES,  NO  HOLOCAUST!

>>Jan Konieczny


>>> > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>>> > To: Marzena
>>> > Subject: Re: Polish Friends
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 4:20 AM


>>> > > PAWLIKOWSKI  wrote in article


>>> > > > this sanctimoniuos graphomaniac posted the message below also on
>>> > > > soc.culture.ukrainian but entitled Ukrainian Friends.  This lying Jew
>>> > > > does not post on soc.culture.jewish
>>> > > > jp


>>> > > > greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> > > > > Dear Polish friends,
>>> > > > > Unquestionably the vast majority of contributors to the Polish
>>> > > newsgroup
>>> > > > > are a fine group of people, and like most Americans and others
>>> living
>>> > > in
>>> > > > > a democracy, enjoy the discussions, exchanges of ideas and become
>>> > > > > better informed by that discourse.
>>> > > > > Unfortunately, there are a few, actually  very few, clear
>>> disrupters of
>>> > > > > this
>>> > > > > fine newsgroup who contribute nothing to the group and only leave a
>>> > > > > sour taste that reflects poorly on the Poles in the group. Clearly,
>>> > > > > those
>>> > > > > people are revisionists and belong in alt.revisionism not
>>> > > > > soc.culture.polish .
>>> > > > >  In  order to help direct those revisionists to the group they need
>>> to
>>> > > > > be
>>> > > > > posting to I will reply to people like Pawlikowski, ONEMARINE,
>>> > > > > Vmartin750, Hwolski, Giwer/Wallace and revisionists like them, only
>>> in
>>> > > > > alt.revisionism . This is to avoid playing the same disgusting game
>>> > > they
>>> > > > > are doing by polluting the Polish newsgroup. Clearly they are not
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > same league with normal human beings dealing with fair discourse.
>>> > > > > The Pawlikowski klan are clearly racists, neo-Nazi revisionists,
>>> > > > > Jew-baiters, Jew-haters and anti-Roman Catholic. They defend the
>>> Nazi
>>> > > > > SS,
>>> > > > > and make bizarre statements like "Polish Roman Catholic Priests
>>> sent to
>>> > > > > Nazi Concentration Camps were given Butlers", "Nazi doctors like
>>> > > Mengele
>>> > > > > practiced Ethical Medicine at Auschwitz", deny the murder of 652
>>> French
>>> > > > > Roman Catholics were forced into a Church at Oradour sur Glane and
>>> > > blown
>>> > > > > up by the Nazi police and believe both Pope Paul II and
>>> > > > > Cardinal O'conner were corrupt and bribed by Jews. They vicious
>>> jackals
>>> > > > > pose as  fake "historians" and their qualifications are stated as
>>> > > > > "common
>>> > > > > sense" instead of degreed historians. Their cover is Polish
>>> Historical
>>> > > > > Society. A typical distortion is their warm greeting to Matt Giwer/
>>> > > > > Wallace, the bizarre Jew-hater is "welcome Mr. Wallace what a fine
>>> > > > > Scotch name you have". Giwer is to Scotland as Pawlikowski to
>>> Polish
>>> > > > > patriotism!
>>> > > > > As far as the trio, degenerate ONEMARINE,Vmartin750 & Hwolski. I
>>> regard
>>> > > > > them as unfit human refuse, having nothing to do with realistic
>>> human
>>> > > > > interface. They attack everyone they disagree with vile
>>> vituperation
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > attack even a fine Roman Catholic, Anne Czubek without rhyme nor
>>> > > reason.
>>> > > > > I can take the filthy lies and degeneracy by myself, but when these
>>> > > > > sub-humans flies gnaw at my sick and elderly bedridden Mother by
>>> > > calling
>>> > > > > her "a slimey cheap whore" or their constantly fabricated stories
>>> of
>>> > > > > homosexuality and other distortions, they have gone beyond the
>>> bounds
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > human decency- even for scum like them from the dregs of the human
>>> > > > > sub-culture. If you don't agree look at the words that came from
>>> > > > > HWolski's brain and keyboard:
>>> > > > > "Fuck you jew queer hermie. Did you have fun butt banging another
>>> queer
>>> > > > > last night,  pornographer scum. Hiding with a phony addres doesn't
>>> fool
>>> > > > > anyone homo. You are a jew pig pervert that should be in a
>>> > > > > cage with other slimy jew perverts."
>>> > > > > Is this how human beings discuss issues?
>>> > > > > Are there any Poles here think that kind of degeneracy belongs in
>>> the
>>> > > > > Polish newsgroup- or anywhere else?
>>> > > > > Herman




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Notice that nevins supports the degeneration. One must wonder why,
such as what was his family name originally???hmm...


On 31 Mar 1998 06:20:18 GMT, intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>nevins@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>: In a short year can.general has come from being a somewhat interesting
>: place with a variety of topics, mostly political but that was alright,
>: to a racist pig pen. Unfortunately this not a true representation of
>: what this the vast majority of Canadians are all about. It is sad to
>: see it degenerate so.
>
>You are right, I even found out the following :
>
>Subject: Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud (fwd)
>
>
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:56:42 -0800
>From: Cool Canadian 
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine
>Subject: Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud
>
>
>
>"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..." 
>
>            "Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society,
>p. XII
>
>The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish
>peoples, as "Gentiles",
>"Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning
>the non-Jewish majority,
>i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People": 
>
>"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They
>are beasts." 
>
>Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b 
>
>"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor
>the the dog more
>than the non-Jew." 
>
>Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 
>
>"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human
>form. It is not
>becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served
>by animals in
>human form." 
>
>Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855 
>
>"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 405 
>
>"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." 
>
>Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b 
>
>"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they
>compare with the
>Jew like a monkey to a human." 
>
>Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b 
>
>"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." 
>
>Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b 
>
>"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not
>express sympathy to
>the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as
>if one of his oxen or
>asses had died"." 
>
>Jore dea 377, 1 
>
>"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between
>animals." 
>
>Talmud Sanhedrin 74b 
>
>"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." 
>
>Sepher ikkarim III c 25 
>
>"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians
>belong to the denying
>ones of the Torah." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 
>
>"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." 
>
>Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b 
>
>"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the
>same as making a
>sacrifice to God." 
>
>Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Mon Nov  2 10:16:14 EST 1998
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Dr.Mahathir, the President of Malaysia seemed to not only know about
what he spoke, but documented his findings most adequately.

It seems that the Jew irgun doesn't even remember that the Jew now
calling himself Soros was one of the key people responsible for the
massive devaluation of S.E.Asian currencies last year, caused by
speculators!!!

Mind you, since Malaysia is also a supporter of Islam, perhaps Dr.
Mahathir could also have been referring to the Q'Ana massacre where
the Israelis murdered not only innocent civilians, but even killed UN
troops??

Perhaps critics and supporters should detail which part of the
original article they are discussing.

Ad hominem comments add nothing to considered discussion.

On 9 Oct 1997 01:39:04 GMT, dh435@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kenneth Tan)
wrote:

>I applaud Mahathir's bold stand against the money speculators
>and abusive foreign press. He is the only man in Asia brave
>enough to show the world how smaller countries are victimised
>by these people backed by their powerful western countries.

>MIGHT MAKES RIGHT is what these western countries believe in.
>As long as you have the muscle, anything you do is right.
>They can suck 40 years for blood and sweat out of Malaysia's
>economy within a week. They call it "free-market" just because
>they make laws that allow them to do it. Anybody with any
>conscience can see this is totally immoral, except the western
>powers where their laws make it totally moral and laudable.

>MIGHT MAKES RIGHT is how the western powers make laws to let
>them do anything they want with a happy conscience. Only now
>has anyone tried to stand up to them, and that man is Mahathir.
>Sure the western blood suckers can use their laws and their
>stolen money to punish Mahathir and Malaysia, but what Mahathir
>is doing is the only way to bring conscience to the world. Make
>the rest of the world see how unscruplous these western powers
>are.

>Give your support to Mahathir, let him know he is not fighting
>the battle alone. The blood sucking western powers can bleed
>Malaysia dry, but they cannot kill the spirit of the people. 
>kt




On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:52:34 -0700, irgun43@mail.earthlink.net wrote:

>omerta@casanostra.com wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps this previous article should be further discussed??
>> 
>> PM Mahathir at least is not afraid of International Jewry!!
>> 
>  
>   The above was posted by a racist.
>   The Malysian Prime Minister wouldn't know aN Israeli or Jew even if
>one bit him in the ass. It is this type of ignorance, this type of easy
>hateful propaganda that has kept Malysia backward. 
>   Forward Malaysia to the 11th century!
>                         irgun43



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Mon Nov  2 10:17:11 EST 1998
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You will probably be branded a racist by the Jew Sol Littman and his
band of terrorists!!!

They do not want non-Jews like you to read their books, which detail
THEIR RACIST POLICIES!!!


On 22 Mar 1998 17:57:57 GMT, intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>vark! (mjh@idigital.net) wrote:
>: intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>: > But who decides.  The flat earth people say it is hatred against their
>: > beliefs for schools to teach that the world is round.
>
>: *We* are to say, the collective voice of our nation.  You know,
>: 'Democracy'.  But congratulations for utterly trivializing a serious
>: debate.
>
>Ok, read the following from the Jewish Talmud and ask yourself if it is
>racism and promotes hatred.
>
>
>
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:56:42 -0800
>From: Cool Canadian 
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine
>Subject: Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud
>
>
>
>"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..." 
>
>            "Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society,
>p. XII
>
>The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish
>peoples, as "Gentiles",
>"Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning
>the non-Jewish majority,
>i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People": 
>
>"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They
>are beasts." 
>
>Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b 
>
>"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor
>the the dog more
>than the non-Jew." 
>
>Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 
>
>"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human
>form. It is not
>becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served
>by animals in
>human form." 
>
>Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855 
>
>"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 405 
>
>"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." 
>
>Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b 
>
>"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they
>compare with the
>Jew like a monkey to a human." 
>
>Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b 
>
>"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." 
>
>Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b 
>
>"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not
>express sympathy to
>the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as
>if one of his oxen or
>asses had died"." 
>
>Jore dea 377, 1 
>
>"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between
>animals." 
>
>Talmud Sanhedrin 74b 
>
>"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." 
>
>Sepher ikkarim III c 25 
>
>"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians
>belong to the denying
>ones of the Torah." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 
>
>"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." 
>
>Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b 
>
>"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the
>same as making a
>sacrifice to God." 
>
>Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772



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cULLED FROM DEJA nEWS, AND WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:13:28 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>Your offer to the crypto-Jew is emminenly sensible.

>Your note about the prosecution of historians in Poland is extremely
>disturbing.

>Does this mean that the Polish JEWS are still controlling Poland,
>through the JEW Communist Party?/

>Are they still connected to the JEW DZERZHINSKI, who established the
>Soviet Communist secret Police, responsible for the KATYN MURDERS, as
>well as the genocide of more than 30 million Ukrainians??





>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:16:44 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:

>>Dear Marzena,

>>	I notice your unhappiness about Polish Historical Society, as well the
>>fact that you are reluctant to spell out that you are of a Polish ethnic
>>background.  But I wish to assure you that once we find a few of the
>>hundreds of missing mass graves and bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazis did
>>not have the time to cremate, we will become holocaustians like you,
>>again, and then you will be happy "with our class".

>>	Why don’t you help us to do it?  The first step is to contribute about
>>$1000.00 with which we could look for the presence or absence of such
>>graves in wartime aerial photos at the US National. Archives. We found
>>them in the air photos of Katyn and Treblinka I for Poles.  We will
>>check the areas suggested by the contributors and especially Jews (e.g.
>>of the well known Vilnius or the small shtetl of Yedwabne).  Support of
>>other contributors is welcomed.  Isn't that worth of us, again, becoming
>>holocaustians. 

>>	Many of you contributed an estimated total of $150,000 for the search
>>of a few small graves in air photos of Bosnia with a splendid results! 
>>With a one time contribution of $1,000 you could shot down the entire
>>proliferating and burgeoning Holocaust Revisionism will collapse.  You
>>are unnecessarily ashamed of the PHS. Please remember that even The New
>>York Times  illustrated and entitled our essay "Do Not Cut Off All
>>Debate About Holocaust" on 1/1/94.

>>	There is little doubt that you are a Polish crypto-Jew.  Thus, you
>>should worry about four periodicals are being presently sold at the
>>newsstands which persistently carry Holocaust revisionists articles. 
>>All of them especially Stanczyk are at the highest scholarly and
>>philosophical level.  Adam Gmurczyk, a 34 years old historian and an
>>editor of the monthly Szczerbiec was featured five weeks ago on the
>>front page of the governmental daily Trybuna because the Prosecutor
>>General wants to file charges against him for translating and publishing
>>"66 Question and Answers About the Holocaust."  The maximum penalty
>>Gmurczyk is face is twenty three years in prison. During the last five
>>years Poland became the hotbed of Holocaust Revisionism.  Even in USA,
>>protected by the First Amendment, not a single newsstand or bookstore is
>>know to sell any revisionist literature.

>>	Graduate of Polish Catholic Academy (an university), Gmurczyk says "We
>>can not build greatness of our country on someone else’s lies." 
>>Revisionism is also burgeoning in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and slowly in
>>Arabic countries.  It is prosecuted in France, Germany, Switzerland and
>>Sweden. 

>>	If you want to stop it, lets start to look for the mass graves of
>>4,000,000 Jews, whom the Nazis did not have time to cremate.  The
>>rallying cry of Revisionists is:

>>                  NO   BONES,  NO  HOLOCAUST!

>>Jan Konieczny


>>> > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>>> > To: Marzena
>>> > Subject: Re: Polish Friends
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 4:20 AM


>>> > > PAWLIKOWSKI  wrote in article


>>> > > > this sanctimoniuos graphomaniac posted the message below also on
>>> > > > soc.culture.ukrainian but entitled Ukrainian Friends.  This lying Jew
>>> > > > does not post on soc.culture.jewish
>>> > > > jp


>>> > > > greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> > > > > Dear Polish friends,
>>> > > > > Unquestionably the vast majority of contributors to the Polish
>>> > > newsgroup
>>> > > > > are a fine group of people, and like most Americans and others
>>> living
>>> > > in
>>> > > > > a democracy, enjoy the discussions, exchanges of ideas and become
>>> > > > > better informed by that discourse.
>>> > > > > Unfortunately, there are a few, actually  very few, clear
>>> disrupters of
>>> > > > > this
>>> > > > > fine newsgroup who contribute nothing to the group and only leave a
>>> > > > > sour taste that reflects poorly on the Poles in the group. Clearly,
>>> > > > > those
>>> > > > > people are revisionists and belong in alt.revisionism not
>>> > > > > soc.culture.polish .
>>> > > > >  In  order to help direct those revisionists to the group they need
>>> to
>>> > > > > be
>>> > > > > posting to I will reply to people like Pawlikowski, ONEMARINE,
>>> > > > > Vmartin750, Hwolski, Giwer/Wallace and revisionists like them, only
>>> in
>>> > > > > alt.revisionism . This is to avoid playing the same disgusting game
>>> > > they
>>> > > > > are doing by polluting the Polish newsgroup. Clearly they are not
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > same league with normal human beings dealing with fair discourse.
>>> > > > > The Pawlikowski klan are clearly racists, neo-Nazi revisionists,
>>> > > > > Jew-baiters, Jew-haters and anti-Roman Catholic. They defend the
>>> Nazi
>>> > > > > SS,
>>> > > > > and make bizarre statements like "Polish Roman Catholic Priests
>>> sent to
>>> > > > > Nazi Concentration Camps were given Butlers", "Nazi doctors like
>>> > > Mengele
>>> > > > > practiced Ethical Medicine at Auschwitz", deny the murder of 652
>>> French
>>> > > > > Roman Catholics were forced into a Church at Oradour sur Glane and
>>> > > blown
>>> > > > > up by the Nazi police and believe both Pope Paul II and
>>> > > > > Cardinal O'conner were corrupt and bribed by Jews. They vicious
>>> jackals
>>> > > > > pose as  fake "historians" and their qualifications are stated as
>>> > > > > "common
>>> > > > > sense" instead of degreed historians. Their cover is Polish
>>> Historical
>>> > > > > Society. A typical distortion is their warm greeting to Matt Giwer/
>>> > > > > Wallace, the bizarre Jew-hater is "welcome Mr. Wallace what a fine
>>> > > > > Scotch name you have". Giwer is to Scotland as Pawlikowski to
>>> Polish
>>> > > > > patriotism!
>>> > > > > As far as the trio, degenerate ONEMARINE,Vmartin750 & Hwolski. I
>>> regard
>>> > > > > them as unfit human refuse, having nothing to do with realistic
>>> human
>>> > > > > interface. They attack everyone they disagree with vile
>>> vituperation
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > attack even a fine Roman Catholic, Anne Czubek without rhyme nor
>>> > > reason.
>>> > > > > I can take the filthy lies and degeneracy by myself, but when these
>>> > > > > sub-humans flies gnaw at my sick and elderly bedridden Mother by
>>> > > calling
>>> > > > > her "a slimey cheap whore" or their constantly fabricated stories
>>> of
>>> > > > > homosexuality and other distortions, they have gone beyond the
>>> bounds
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > human decency- even for scum like them from the dregs of the human
>>> > > > > sub-culture. If you don't agree look at the words that came from
>>> > > > > HWolski's brain and keyboard:
>>> > > > > "Fuck you jew queer hermie. Did you have fun butt banging another
>>> queer
>>> > > > > last night,  pornographer scum. Hiding with a phony addres doesn't
>>> fool
>>> > > > > anyone homo. You are a jew pig pervert that should be in a
>>> > > > > cage with other slimy jew perverts."
>>> > > > > Is this how human beings discuss issues?
>>> > > > > Are there any Poles here think that kind of degeneracy belongs in
>>> the
>>> > > > > Polish newsgroup- or anywhere else?
>>> > > > > Herman




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It is starting to sound as though JEWS are still trying to rewrite
history!!!

On 10 Apr 1998 04:56:44 +1000, graham@daveney.matra.com.au (Graham
Daveney) wrote:

>The Jews were seen to be the cause of all evil within the Russian Orthodox
>empire of the Romanovs.
>
>There is no need for Jew Hatred on the part of the Russians', but there are
>some elements which would seek to exploit the Russian masses resentment and
>dissaffection with the failure of a free market system to provide them with 
>the lifestyle of safety and enforce conformity under the Communism Regime.

>The Governement does not then need to really govern, the country can be allowed
>to rot while the Russians' unhappiness is miraculously diverted onto an
>"incidious and evil foreign minority which eats at our very heart ......"

>The Jew for these incited Russians is these parasites which are eating at
>the heartblood of Mother Russia.

>It is the Jew who is seen as the representation of all that is bad in his life.

>NetComrade (NetComradeNOSPAM@earthlink.net) wrote:
>: Zhirinovsky Blames Jews for WWII
>: 
>: By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV
>: .c The Associated Press 
>: 
>: MOSCOW (AP) - In his most direct anti-Semitic statements yet,
>: ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky blamed Jews on Wednesday for
>: starting World War II and provoking the Holocaust. 
>: 
>: The politician's anti-Semitic comments have drawn international
>: condemnation for years, but Wednesday's remarks in an hourlong address
>: to reporters were some of his least subtle. 
>: 
>: ``The essence of the conflict around the Jewish people is that when
>: their number grows too much in some country, war breaks out there,''
>: said Zhirinovsky, who leads the third-largest faction in the Russian
>: parliament's lower house. 
>: 
>: ``That happened in Germany ... where there were too many Jews,'' he
>: declared. 
>: 
>: Zhirinovsky, a former presidential candidate, has a flamboyant style
>: and clearly relishes making provocative statements. 
>: 
>: It was not clear why he called the news conference, which he turned
>: into a monologue about his vision of the history of the Jews and their
>: role in contemporary life. 
>: 
>: ``Many Jews were born in April,'' was the only explanation he
>: provided. 
>: 
>: Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Los Angeles-based Simon
>: Wiesenthal Center, said Zhirinovsky's statement could also have been
>: timed for the Jewish holiday of Passover, which begins Friday, or
>: Holocaust Memorial Day on April 23. 
>: 
>: His allegation that Jews started World War II was not just ``a slap in
>: the face to the Jewish victims,'' but also an appeal to strong
>: emotions around the war effort, one of the few national undertakings
>: of the Soviet era that remain sacred in today's Russia, Cooper said. 
>: 
>: ``He's talking to a country that lost 20 million people in the Second
>: World War,'' he said. 
>: 
>: Cooper called on Russia's political and Orthodox Church leaders ``to
>: put Zhirinovsky in his place'' and reject his statements. 
>: 
>: Anti-Semitism is widespread in Russia, which has the third-largest
>: Jewish population in the world, after the United States and Israel.
>: Still, Zhirinovsky's remarks were stronger than most ever aired
>: publicly. 
>: 
>: While repeating several times that his party isn't anti-Semitic,
>: Zhirinovsky accused Jews of sparking the 1917 Bolshevik revolution and
>: bringing Russia to ruin ever since. 
>: 
>: ``You will always find Jews where war is raging, because they realize
>: that money flows where blood is spilled,'' he said. 
>: 
>: He repeated stereotypical slurs, and even accused the Jews of causing
>: repressions and the Holocaust. 
>: 
>: ``Jews themselves, Zionist leaders, often provoked anti-Jewish
>: sentiments, and Jewish pogroms,'' he said. 
>: 
>: He also accused Jews of taking Russian women abroad for prostitution,
>: selling healthy Russian children and transplant organs to the West and
>: robbing Russia of its gold, diamonds and other assets. 
>: 
>: Ironically, rumors have circulated for years that Zhirinovsky's
>: anti-Semitism is a response to his own Jewish roots. His father's name
>: was Volf, or Wolf, and public records indicate he had a
>: Jewish-sounding surname, Eidelshtein, until he changed it at age 18. 
>: 
>: AP-NY-04-08-98 1649EDT 
>: 
>: 
>: ----
>: Andrey Dmitriev         www.qc.edu/~op8qc
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>: Please remove NOSPAM from e-mail address to e-mail.
>: If anybody knows how to buy/reserve train tickets in Russia, 
>: please e-mail me, thanx.

>From precz@z.zydowska.cenzura.com Mon Oct 20 18:13:59 1997

Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.baltics
Subject: Re: Questions that JEWS Don't Want You to Think About!!!


VLADIMIR, LENIN, Founder of Bolshevik Communist (From an article in
Northern Pravda, October-December 1913, qouted in Lenin on the Jewish
Question, page 10)

     "There the great universally progressive features of Jewish
     culture have made themselves clearly felt: its internationalism,
     its responsiveness of the advanced movements of our times (the
     percentage of Jews in democratic and proletarian movements is
     everywhere higher than the percentage of Jews in the general
     population.)
     ...Those Jewish Marxists who join up in the international Marxist
     organizations with the Russian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian and other
     workers, adding their might (both in Russian and in Jewish) to
     the creation of an international culture of the working class
     movement, are continuing the best traditions of Jewry."

HENRY FORD in (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921

     "Jews have always controlled the business... The motion picture
     influence of the United States and Canada... is exclusively under
     the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators of
     the public mind."

M. OUDENDYK, the Netherlands' Minister to Petrograd on September 6, 1918,
to the British Government, published in the unexpurgated edition of A
Collection of Reports on Bolshevism in Russia, April, 1919

     "...I consider that the immediate suppression of Bolshevism is
     the greatest issue before the World, not even excluding the war
     which is till raging, and unless, as above stated, Bolshevism is
     nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form
     or another over Europe and the whole World, as it is organized
     and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object
     is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

A. N. FIELD, in Today's Greatest Problem

     "Once the Jewishness of Bolshevism is understood, its otherwise
     puzzling features become understandable. Hatred of Christianity,
     for instance, is not a Russian characteristic; it is a Jewish
     one."

FATHER DENIS FAHEY; in his book The Rulers of Russia, page 25

     "The real forces behind Bolshevism is Russia are Jewish forces,
     and Bolshevism is really an instrument in the hands of the Jews
     for the establishment of their future Messianic kingdom."

A. N. FIELD, The Truth About the Slump, page 208

     "The World today, however provides a spectacle of a great
     concentration of Jewish power. In New York there is a
     concentration of Jewish financial power dominating the entire
     world in its material affairs, and side by side with it is the
     greates physical concentration of the Jews ever recorded. On the
     other side of the globe, there has taken place in Russia the
     greatest concentration of the Jewish revolutionary activity in
     all history...
     The enormously significant thing in the world today is that both
     this power of the purse (Theodor Herzl's "terrible (Jewish) power
     of the purse") and revolutionary activity are working in the
     direction of destroying the entire existing order of things, and
     not only are they working in a common direction, but there is a
     mass of evidence that they are working in unison."

H. H. BEAMISH, N.Y. speech, 1937

     "Communism is Judaism. The Jewish Revolution in Russia was in
     1918."

HILARY COTTER, author of Cardinal Minszenty, The Truth About His Real
"Crime," page 6

     "Communism and Judaism are one and the same."

ADRIEN ARCAND, Canadian political leader in New York Speech, October 30,
1937

     "There is nothing else in Communism - a Jewish conspiracy to grab
     the whole world in their clutches; and no intelligent man in the
     world can find anything else, except the Jews, who rightly call
     it for themselves a "paradise on earth."

     Jews are eager to bring Communism, because they know what it is
     and what it means.
     It is because Communism has not been fought for what it really is
     - a Jewish scheme invented by Jews - that it has progressed
     against all opposition to it. We have fought the smoke-screen
     presented by Jewish dialecticians and publicists, refusing to
     fight the inventor, profiteer and string-puller. Because
     Christians and Gentiles have come to fear the Jews, fear the
     truth, and they are paralyzed by the paradoxical slogans shouted
     by the Jews."
     REV. KENNETH GOFF, in STILL 'TIS OUR ANCIENT FOE, page 99 "The
     Frankenstein of Communism is the product of the Jewish mind, and
     was turned loose upon the world by the son of a Rabbi, Karl Marx,
     in the hopes of destroying Christian civilization - as well as
     others. The testimony given before the Senate of the United
     States which is take from the many pages of the Overman Report,
     reveals beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jewish bankers financed
     the Russian Revolution."


TWAIN, MARK (S. L. Clemens). 19th century American writer.

     "In the U.S. cotton states, after the war... the Jew came down in
     force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the Negroes'
     wants on credit, and at the end of the season was the proprietor
     of the Negro's share of the present crop and part of the next
     one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew. (1)
     The Jew is being legislated out of Russia. The reason is not
     concealed. The movement was instituted because the Christian
     peasant stood no chance against his commercial abilities. The Jew
     was always ready to lend on a crop. When settlement day came, he
     owned the crop; the next year he owned the farm - like Joseph.
     (2)
     In the England of John's time everybody got into debt to the Jew.
     He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his hands. He was the
     King of Commerce. He had to be banished from the realm. For like
     reasons, Spain had to banish him 400 years ago, and Austria a
     couple of centuries later.
     In all ages Christian Europe has been obliged to curtail his
     activities. If he entered upon a trade, the Christian had to
     retire from it. If he set up as a doctor, he took the business.
     If he exploited agriculture, the other farmers had to get at
     something else. The law had to step in to save the Christian from
     the poor-house. Still, almost bereft of employments, he found
     ways to make money. Even to get rich. This history has a most
     sordid and practical commercial look. Religious prejudices may
     account for one part of it, bit not for the other nine.
     Protestants have persecuted Catholics - but they did not take
     their livelihoods away from them. Catholics have persecuted
     Protestants - bit they never closed agriculture and the
     handicrafts against them. I feel convinced that the Crucifixion
     has not much to do with the world's attitude toward the Jew; that
     the reasons for it are much older than that event ...
     I am convinced that the persecution of the Jew is not in any
     large degree due to religious prejudice. No, the Jew is a
     money-getter. He made it the end and aim of his life. He was at
     it in Rome. He has been at it ever since. His success has made
     the whole human race his enemy.
     You will say that the Jew is everywhere numerically feeble. When
     I read in the Cyclopedia Britannica that the Jewish population in
     the United States was 250,000 I wrote the editor and explained to
     him that I was personally acquainted with more Jews than that,
     and that his figures were without doubt a misprint for
     25,000,000. People told me that they had reasons to suspect that
     for business reasons, many Jews did not report themselves as
     Jews. It looks plausible. I am strongly of the opinion that we
     have an immense Jewish population in America. I am assured by men
     competent to speak that the Jews are exceedingly active in
     politics. ("Concerning the Jews," Harper's Monthly Magazine,
     September 1899)

Twain's opinion on the Jews is probably the best-kept secret in American
literary history. Immediately after his death, his eccentric daughter 
Clara married - or was married by - the Jewish piano player, Ossip
Galbrilowitsch. Twain's publishers were given speedy instructions to 
delete "Concerning the Jews" from the collected works, where it had 
appeared in the book The Man that Corrupted Hadleybury & Other Stories. 

(1) Since Jews provided most of the agitators and orators who pushed 
forward the Abolition campaign that culminated in the Civil War 
(which Jewish bankers largely financed, on both sides), it seems a 
legitimate question whether there was any preplanning for the wholesale - 
and retail - economic looting done by mainly Jewish carpetbaggers after 
the war. 

(2) We have cited a host of other writers on the terrible economic 
depredation that Jewry visited on the people of Tzarist Russia.

ERNEST RENAN, French historian

     "The Jews are not merely a different religious community, but -
     and this is the most important factor - ethnically an altogether
     different race. The European felt instinctively that the Jew is a
     stranger, who immigrated from Asia. The so-called prejudice is
     natural sentiment. Civilization will overcome antipathy against
     the Israelite who merely professes another religion, but never
     against the racially different Jew...
     In Eastern Europe the Jew is the cancer slowly eating into the
     flesh of other nations. Exploitation of the people is his only
     aim. Selfishness and a lack of personal courage are his chief
     characteristics; self-sacrifice and patriotism are altogether
     foreign to him."

GOLDWIN SMITH, Professor of Modern History at Oxford, wrote in Nineteenth
Century, October 1881

     "The Jew alone regard his race as superior to humanity, and looks
     forward not to its ultimate union with other races, but to its
     triumph over them all and to its final ascendancy under the
     leadership of a tribal Messiah."

MENCKEN, H. L. 20th century American writer.

     "The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant
     race ever heard of. As commonly encountered they lack any of the
     qualities that mark the civilized man: courage, dignity,
     incorruptibility, ease, confidence. They have vanity without
     pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom.
     Their fortitude, such as it is, is wasted upon puerile objects,
     and their charity is mainly a form of display." (Treatise on the
     Gods)
     The fact that what are commonly spoken of as rights are often
     really privileges is demonstrated in the case of the Jews. They
     resent bitterly their exclusion from certain hotels, resorts and
     other places of gathering, and make determined efforts to horn
     in. But the moment any considerable number of them horns in, the
     attractions of the place diminish, and the more pushful Jews turn
     to one where they are still nicht gewuenscht ... ("not wanted.")
     "I am one of the few Goyim who have ever actually tackled the
     TALMUD. I suppose you now expect me to add that it is a profound
     and noble work, worthy of hard study by all other GOYIM.
     Unhappily, my report must differ from this expectation. It seems
     to me, save for a few bright spots, to be quite indistinguishable
     from rubbish..."
     "The Jewish theory that the GOYIM envy the superior ability of
     the Jews is not borne out by the facts. Most GOYIM, in fact, deny
     that the Jew is superior, and point in evidence to his failure to
     take the first prizes: he has to be content with the seconds. No
     Jewish composer has ever come within miles of Bach, Beethoven and
     Brahms; no Jew has ever challenged the top-flight painters of the
     world, and no Jewish scientist has equaled Newton, Darwin,
     Pasteur or Mendel. In the latter bracket such apparent exception
     as Ehrlich, Freud and Einstein are only apparent. Ehrlich, in
     fact, contributed less to biochemical fact than to biochemical
     theory, and most of his theory was dubious. Freud was nine-tenths
     quack, and there is sound reason for believing that even Einstein
     will not hold up: in the long run his curved space may be classed
     with the psychosomatic bumps of Gall and Spurzheim. But whether
     this inferiority of the Jew is real or only a delusion, it must
     be manifest that it is generally accepted. The GOY does not, in
     fact, believe that the Jew is better than the non-Jew; the most
     he will admit is that the Jew is smarter at achieving worldly
     success. But this he ascribes to sharp practices, not to superior
     ability." (Minority Report: H. L. Mencken's Notebooks)

SHAW, GEORGE BERNARD. 20th century British dramatist.

     "This is the real enemy, the invader from the East, the Druze,
     the ruffian, the oriental parasite; in a word: the Jew. (London
     Morning Post, December 3, 1925)
     This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial
     degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews
     who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord
     Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The
     rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings.
     (Literary Digest, October 12, 1932)

WAGNER, RICHARD. 19th century German composer.

     "The Jew has never had an art of his own, hence never a live of
     art-enabling import... "So long as the separate art of music had
     a real organic life-need in it, down to the epochs of Mozart and
     Beethoven, there was nowhere to be found a Jew composer: it was
     utterly impossible for an element quiet foreign to that living
     organism to take a part in the formative stages of that life.
     Only when a body's inner death is manifest, do outside elements
     win the power of judgment in it - yet merely to destroy it.
     On one thing am I clear: that is the influence which the Jews
     have gained upon our mental life, as displayed in the deflection
     and falsification of our highest culture-tendencies. Whether the
     downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of
     the destructive alien element, I an unable to decide, since that
     would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted.
     (Judaism in Music)

SOMBART, WERNER. 20th century German economist.

     "Capitalism was born from the money loan. Money lending contains
     the root idea of capitalism. Turn to the pages of the TALMUD and
     you will find that the Jews made an art of lending money. They
     were taught early to look for their chief happiness in the
     possession of money. They fathomed all the secrets that lay hid
     in money. They became Lords of Money and Lords of the World...

FITZGERALD, F. SCOTT. 20th century American novelist.

     "Down a tall busy street he read a dozen Jewish names on a line
     of stores; in the door of each stood a dark little man watching
     the passers from intent eyes - eyes gleaming with suspicion, with
     pride, with clarity, with cupidity, with comprehension. New York
     - he could not dissociate it from the slow, upward creep of this
     people - the little stores, growing, expanding, consolidating,
     moving, watched over with hawks' eyes and a bee's attention to
     detail - they [were Jews.]

EMERSON, RALPH WALDO. 19th century American philosopher, poet.

     "The sufferance which is the badge of the Jew has made him, in
     these days, the ruler of the rulers of the earth. (Fate an essay)

BURTON, SIR RICHARD FRANCIS. 19th century British diplomat, writer. After 
acting as consul at Damascus, Syria, where some years before, a Catholic
priest was allegedly murdered in a blood ritual by Jews, Burton took an
interest in the matter. His investigations satisfied him that such 
killings actually were performed by certain sects of Jews.

     "The Jew's hand was ever, like Ishmael's, against every man but
     those belonging to the Synagogue. His fierce passions and
     fiendish cunning, combined with abnormal powers of intellect,
     with intense vitality, and with a persistency of purpose which
     the world has rarely seen, and whetted moreover by a keen thirst
     for blood engendered by defeat and subjection, combined to make
     him the deadly enemy of all mankind, whilst his unsocial and
     iniquitous Oral Law contributed to inflame his wild lust of pelf,
     and to justify the crimes suggested by spite and superstition."

DREISER, THEODORE. 20th century American writer.

     "New York to me is a scream - a Kyke's dream of a ghetto. The
     Lost Tribe has taken the island. (Letter to H. L. Mencken,
     November 5, 1922) "
     "Liberalism, in the case of the Jew, means internationalism. If
     you listen to Jews discuss Jews, you will find they are
     mone-minded, very sharp in practice. The Jews lack the fine
     integrity which at last is endorsed, and to a certain degree
     followed, by lawyers of other nationalities. The Jew has been in
     Germany for a thousand years, and he is still a Jew. He has been
     in America for all of 200 years, and he has not faded into a pure
     American by any means - and he will not. (Letter to Hutchins
     Hapgood, The Nation magazine, April 17, 1935)"

WELLS, H. G. 20th century British writer.

     "The Jews looked for a special savior, a messiah, who was to
     redeem mankind by the agreeable process of restoring the fabulous
     glories of David and Solomon, and bringing the whole world at
     last under the firm but benevolent Jewish heel." (The Outline of
     History)
     "Zionism is an expression of Jewish refusal to assimilate. If the
     Jews have suffered, it is because they have regarded themselves
     as a chosen people." (The Anatomy of Frustration)
     "A careful study of anti-Semitism prejudice and accusations might
     be of great value to many Jews, who do not adequately realize the
     irritations they inflict." (Letter of November 11, 1933)
     Wells was in the habit of referring to KARL MARX as "a shallow
     third-rate Jew," and "a lousy Jew" in private correspondence.
     (Norman MacKenzie, H. G. Wells)

LINDBERGH, CHARLES. 20th century American aviator, writer.
Wednesday, August 23, 1939

     "We are disturbed about the effect of the Jewish influence in our
     press, radio and motion pictures. It may become very serious.
     [Fulton] Lewis told us of one instance where the Jewish
     advertising firms threatened to remove all their advertising from
     the Mutual system if a certain feature were permitted to go on
     the air. The threat was powerful enough to have the feature
     removed."

Thursday, May 1, 1941

     "The pressure for war is high and mounting. The people are
     opposed to it, but the Administration seems to have 'the bit in
     its teeth' and is hell-bent on its way to war. Most of the Jewish
     interests in the country are behind war, and they control a huge
     part of our press and radio and most of our motion pictures.
     There are the 'intellectuals' and the 'Anglophiles,' and the
     British agents who are allowed free rein, the international
     financial interests, and many others." (The Wartime Journals)

GENERAL GEORGE VAN HORN MOSELY, in the New York Tribune, March 29, 1939

     "The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish
     influence throughout the world."

HERDER, JOHANN GOTTFRIED. 18th century German philosopher.

     "The Jewish people is and remains in Europe an Asiatic people
     alien to our part of the world, bound to that old law which it
     received in a distant climate, and which, according to its
     confession, it cannot do away with...
     How many of this alien people can be tolerated without injury to
     the true citizen?
     A ministry in which a Jew is supreme, a household in which a Jew
     has the key of the wardrobe and the management of the finances, a
     department or commissariat in which Jews do the principal
     business, are Pontine marshes which cannot be drained. (Bekehrung
     der Juden)
     For thousands of years, since their emergence on the stage of
     history, the Jews were a parasitic growth on the stem of other
     nations, a race of cunning brokers all over the earth. They have
     cause great evil to many ill-organized states, by retarding the
     free and natural economic development of their indigenous
     population. ("Hebraer," in Ideen)

BONAPARTE, NAPOLEON. French statesman, general.

     "The Jews provided troops for my campaign in Poland, but they
     ought to reimburse me: I soon found that they are no good for
     anything but selling old clothes..."
     "Legislating must be put in effect everywhere that the general
     well-being is in danger. The government cannot look with
     indifference on the way a despicable nation takes possession of
     all the provinces of France. The Jews are the master robbers of
     the modern age; they are the carrion birds of humanity... "They
     must be treated with political justice, not with civil justice.
     They are surely not real citizens."
     "The Jews have practiced usury since the time of Moses, and
     oppressed the other peoples. Meanwhile, the Christians were only
     rarely usurers, falling into disgrace when they did so. We ought
     to ban the Jews from commerce because they abuse it... The evils
     of the Jews do not stem from individuals but from the fundamental
     nature of this people." (From Napoleon's Reflections, and from
     speeches before the Council of State on April 30 and May 7,
     1806.)
     "Nothing more contemptible could be done than the reception of
     the Jews by you. I decided to improve the Jews. But I do not want
     more of them in my kingdom. Indeed, I have done all to prove my
     scorn of the most vile nation in the world." (Letter to his
     brother Jerome, King of Westphalia, March 6, 1808)
     (1) Every big and small Jew is the peddling trade must renew his
     license every year.
     (2) Checks and other obligations are only redeemable if the Jew
     can prove that he has obtained the money without cheating.
     (Ordinance of March 17, 1808. Napoleonic Code.)

DE GAULLE, CHARLES. 20th century French politician. Addressing the 
Zionist imbroglio in the Mideast in a news conference of November 27,1967, 
he observed:

     "The Jews remain what they have been at all times: an elite
     people, self-confident and domineering."

SAND, GEORGE (Amantine Dupin Dudevant). 19th century French novelist.

     "I saw in 'the wandering Jew' the personification of the Jewish
     people, exiled in the Middle Ages. Nevertheless, they are once
     again extremely rich, owing to their unfailing rude greediness
     and their indefatigable activity. With their hard-heartedness
     that they extend toward people of other faiths and races they are
     at the point of making themselves kings of the world. This people
     can thank its obstinacy that France will be Judized within fifty
     years. Already some wise Jews prophesy this frankly." (Letter to
     Victor Lorie, 1857)

COMMUNITY OF STRASBOURG, FRANCE. In an address to the ASSEMBLEE in 1790,
the city's revolutionary leaders opposed citizenship for Jews, because:

     "Everyone knew the inherent bad character of the Jews and no one
     doubted they were foreigners... Let the 'enlighteners' stop
     defaming the Gentiles by blaming them for what is wrong with the
     Jews. Their conduct is their own fault. Perhaps the Jews might
     eventually give up every aspect of their separation and all the
     characteristics of their nature. Let us sit and wait until that
     happens; we might them judge them to be worthy of equality. (Tres
     Humble Adresse qui Presente la Commune de la Ville Strasbourg)

ROBERTS, STEPHEN H. 20th century Australian historian. Though hostile on
almost every point to National Socialism, his The House that Hitler Built
does admit that Jews were a menace in Germany:

     "It is useless to deny that grave Jewish problems existed in
     Germany. The nation was in the unfortunate geographical position
     of being the first stage in the perennial push westward of the
     Polish Jews. Unless forced on, they tended to stop in Berlin and
     Hamburg, where they obtained an unduly share of good professional
     positions. In Berlin, for example, when the Nazi came to power,
     50.2 percent of the lawyers were Jews. In medicine, 48 per cent
     of the doctors were Jews, and it was said that they
     systematically seized the principal hospital posts. The Jews
     owned the largest and most important Berlin newspapers, and they
     had made great inroads on the educational system."

FRANCO, FRANCISCO. 20th century Spanish statesman. In his victory speech 
in Madrid, on May 19, 1939, he declared:

     "Let us be under no illusion. The Jewish spirit, which was
     responsible for the alliance of large-scale capital with Marxism
     and was the driving force behind so many anti-Spanish
     revolutionary agreements, will not be got rid of in a day."

PRIMO DE RIVERA, JOSE. 20th century Spanish political reformer
(assassinated by the Communists). He stressed that the instruments of
Jewish domination in the modern world are money and the press, and that
communism is an instrument of international Jewish capitalism used to 
smash and afterwards rule the nations. (El Estado Nacional)

H. H. BEAMISH, in a New York address, October 30 - November 1, 1937

     "In 1848 the word "anti-Semitic" was invented by the Jews to
     prevent the use of the word "Jew." The right word for them is
     "Jew" ...
     "I implore all of you to be accurate - call them Jews. There is
     no need to be delicate on this Jewish question. You must face
     them in this country. The Jew should be satisfied here. I was
     here forty-seven years ago; your doors were thrown open to the
     Jews and they were free. No he has got you absolutely by the
     throat - that is your reward."

CHRISTEA, PATRIARCH. 20th century Romanian prelate.

     "The Jews have caused an epidemic of corruption and social
     unrest. They monopolize the press, which, with foreign help,
     flays all the spiritual treasures of the Romanians. To defend
     ourselves is a national and patriotic duty - not anti-Semitism.
     Lack of measures to get rid of the plague would indicate that we
     are lazy cowards who let ourselves be carried alive to our
     graves. Why should we not get rid of these parasites who suck
     Romanian and Christian blood? It is logical and holy to react
     against them." (New York Herald Tribune, August 17, 1937)

HOUSTON STEWART CHAMBERLAIN, world famed author of Foundations of the
Nineteenth Century, Vol. I, page 337

     "The revelation of Christ has no significance for the Jew! ... I
     have searched through a whole library of Jewish books in the
     expectation of finding - naturally not belief in the Divinity of
     Christ, nor the idea of redemption, but the purely human feeling
     for the greatness of suffering Savior - but in vain. A Jew who
     feels that, is, in fact, no longer a Jew, but a denier of
     Judiasm. And while we find, even in Mohammed's Koran, at least a
     vague conception of the importance of Christ and profound
     reverence for His personality, a cultured leading Jew of the
     nineteenth century (Graetz) calls Christ "the new birth with the
     death mask," which inflicted new and painful wounds upon the
     Jewish people; he cannot see anything else in Him. In view of the
     Cross he assures us that "the Jews do not require this convulsive
     emotion for their spiritual improvement," and adds, "particularly
     not among the middle classes of inhabitants of the cities." His
     comprehension goes further. In a book, republished in 1880, by a
     Spanish Jew (Mose de Leon) Jesus Christ is called a "dead dog"
     that lies "buried in a dunghill." Besides, the Jews have taken
     care to issue in the latter part of the nineteens century several
     editions (naturally in Hebrew) of the so-called "censured
     passages" from the Talmud, those passages usually omitted in
     which Christ is exposed to our scorn and hatred as a "fool,"
     "sorcerer," "profane person," "idolater," "dog," "bastard,"
     "child of lust," etc.: so, too, His sublime Mother."

ADRIEN ARCAND, Canadian political leader of the 1930s

     "Through their (Jew's) international news agencies, they mold
     your minds and have you see the world not as it is, but as they
     want you to see it. Through their cinema, they are the educators
     of our youth - and with just one film in two hours, can wipe out
     of a child's brain what he has learned in six months in the home,
     the church or the school."

NESTA WEBSTER, in her book Germany and England

     "England is no longer controlled by Britons. We are under the
     invisible Jewish dictatorship - a dictatorship that can be felt
     in every sphere of life."

HENRY WALLACE, Secretary of Commerce, under President Harry Truman, wrote
in his dairy that in 1946

     "Truman was "exasperated" over Jewish pressure that he support
     Zionist rule over Palestine. Wallace added "Pres. Truman
     expressed himself as being very much 'put out' with the Jews. He
     said that 'Jesus Christ couldn't please them when he was here on
     Earth, so how could anyone expect that I would have any luck?'
     Pres. Truman said he hand no use for them and didn't care what
     happened to them."

WILLIAM JENNINGS BRYANT, three times the Democratic Party candidate for
President said:

     "New York is the city of privilege. Here is the seat of the
     Invisible Power represented by the allied forces of finance and
     industry. This Invisible Government is reactionary, sinister,
     unscrupulous, mercenary, and sordid. It is wanting in national
     ideals and devoid of conscience... This kind of government must
     be scourged and destroyed."

HENRY ADAMS (Descendant of President John Adams), in a letter to John 
Hay, October 1895

     "The Jewish question is really the most serious of our problems."

SPRING-RICE, SIR CECIL. 20th century British politician.

     "One by one, the Jews are capturing the principal newspapers of
     America. (Letter of November 1914, to Sir Edward Grey, foreign
     secretary. Letters and Friendships)

CAPOTE, TRUMAN. 20th century American writer. In an interview, he 
assailed "the Zionist mafia" monopolizing publishing today, and 
protested a tendency to suppress things that do not meet with Jewish 
approval. (Playboy magazine, March 1968)

VOLTAIRE (Francois Marie Arouet) 18th century French philosopher, writer.

     "Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their
     laws; they either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the
     whole human race..."
     "The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred
     toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always
     superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by
     others, always barbarous - cringing in misfortune and insolent in
     prosperity." (Essai sur le Moeurs)
     "You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the
     Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable
     and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have
     surpassed all nations in impertinent fables in bad conduct and in
     barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny."
     (From a letter to a Jew who had written to him, complaining of
     his 'anti-Semitism.' Examen des Quelques Objections... dans
     L'Essai sur le Moeurs.)
     "You will only find in the Jews an ignorant and barbarous people,
     who for a long time have joined the most sordid avarice to the
     most detestable superstition and to the most invincible hatred of
     all peoples which tolerate and enrich them." ("Juif,"
     Dictionnaire Philosophique)
     "I know that there are some Jews in the English colonies. These
     marranos go wherever there is money to be made... But whether
     these circumcised who sell old clothes claim that they are of the
     tribe of Naphtali or Issachar is not of the slightest importance.
     They are, simply, the biggest scoundrels who have ever dirtied
     the face of the earth." (Letter to Jean-Baptiste Nicolas de Lisle
     de Sales, December 15, 1773. Correspondance. 86:166)
     "They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their
     hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond
     hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people
     would not some day become deadly to the human race." (Lettres de
     Memmius a Ciceron, 1771)

CANNOT, E. 19th century French reformer. In La Renovation, journal of the
socialist school of CHARLES FOURIER.

     "Jews! To the heights of your Sinai... I humbly lift myself. I
     stand erect and cry out to you, in behalf of all my humble
     equals, of all those whom your spoliation has brought to grief,
     who died in misery through you and whose trembling shades accuse
     you: Jews! for Cain and Iscariot, leave us, leave us! Ah, cross
     the Red Sea again, and go down there to the desert, to the
     promised land which is waiting for you, the only country fit for
     you; o you wicked, rude and dishonest people, go there!!!
     ("Israel")



GRANT, USYSSES S. 19th century American general, politician. While in
command of the 13th Army Corps, headquartered at Oxford, Mississippi, he
became so infuriated at Jewish camp-followers attempting to penetrate the
conquered territory that he finally attempted to expel the Jews:

     "I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance
     that can be infused into post commanders, the special regulations
     of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by
     Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I
     been of this that I instructed the commanding officers at
     Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have
     frequently had them expelled from the department, but they come
     in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to
     prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can
     travel anywhere. They will land at any woodyard on the river and
     make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy
     cotton themselves, they will act as agents for someone else, who
     will be at military post with a Treasury permit to receive cotton
     and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy up at an
     agreed rate, paying gold. (Letters to C. P. Wolcott, assistant
     secretary of war, Washington, December 17, 1862)
     1. The Jews, as a class, violating every regulation of trade
     established by the Treasury Department, and also Department
     orders, are hereby expelled from the Department.
     2. Within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order by
     Post Commanders, they will see that all of this class of people
     are furnished with passes and required to leave, and anyone
     returning after such notification, will be arrested and held in
     confinement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as
     prisoners, unless furnished with permits from these headquarters.

     3. No permits will be given these people to visit headquarters
     for the purpose of making personal application for trade permits.

     By order of Major Gen. Grant Jno. A. Rawlings, Assistant Adjutant
     General (General Order Number 11, December 17, 1862)

The expulsion order was immediately countermanded by the 
general-in-chief, H. W. Halleck, in Washington. Apparently the expelled 
Jews had immediately contacted their kinsmen there and had pressure 
brought to bear.

SHERMAN, WILLIAM T. 19th century American soldier. In a letter from
Union-occupied Memphis, July 30, 1862, he wrote:

     "I found so many Jews and speculators here trading in cotton, and
     secessionists had become so open in refusing anything but gold,
     that I have felt myself bound to stop it. The gold can have but
     one use - the purchase of arms and ammunition... Of course, I
     have respected all permits by yourself or the Secretary of the
     Treasury, but in these new cases (swarms of Jews), I have stopped
     it." (The Sherman Letters)

ROSS, L. F. 19th century American military man. As did Generals ULYSSES 
S.GRANT and WILLIAM T. SHERMAN, Ross confronted Jewish 'carpetbagging' 
cotton traders preying upon captured Confederate areas during the Civil 
War. In a letter to General John A. McClernand, he wrote:

     "The cotton speculators are quite clamorous for aid in the
     getting their cotton away from Middleburg, Hickory Valley, etc.,
     and offer to pay liberally for the service. I think I can bring
     it away with safety, and make it pay to the Government. As some
     of the Jew owners have as good as stolen the cotton from the
     planters, I have no conscientious scruples in making them pay
     liberally to take it away."

OLMSTED, GREDERICK LAW. 19th century American architect, historian.

     "A swarm of Jews has, within the last ten years, settled in every
     Southern town, many of them men of no character, opening cheap
     clothing and trinket shops, ruining or driving out of business
     many of the old retailers, and engaging in an unlawful trade with
     the simple Negroes, which is found very profitable. (The Cotton
     Kingdom. For other views on Jewish involvement in exploiting the
     South, see ULYSSES S. GRANT and MARK TWAIN.)


POPES, ROMAN CATHOLIC.

SYLVESTER I. Condemned Jewish anti-Christian activity.

GREGORY I ('The Great'). Protested wholesale circumcision of Christian
slaves by Jewish traders, who monopolized the slave trade in Europe and 
the Middle East and were widely suspected of supplying white girls to 
Oriental and African buyers.

GREGORY VIII. Forbade Jews to have power over Christians, in a letter to
Alfonso VI of Castile.

GREGORY IX. Condemned the TALMUD as containing "every kind of vileness 
and blasphemy against Christian doctrine."

BENEDICT XIII. His Bull on the Jewish issue (1450) declared:

     "The heresies, vanities and errors of the TALMUD prevent their
     knowing the truth."

JULIUS III. Contra Hebreos retinentes libros (1554) ordered the TALMUD
burned "everywhere" and established a strict censorship over Jewish
genocidal writings - an order that has never been rescinded and which
presumably is still binding upon Catholics.

PAUL IV. Cum nimis absurdim (1555) promulgated immediately after his
coronation, was a powerful condemnation of Jewish usury. It embodies a
model legal code to curb Jewish power that was recommended to all
communities.

PIUS IV. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.

PIUS V. Hebraeorum gens (1569) expelled all Jews from the Papal States.

GREGORY XIII. Declared that Jews

     "continue to plot horrible crimes" against Christians "with daily
     increasing audacity."

CLEMENT VIII. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.

ALEXANDER VIII. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.

BENEDICT XIV. Quo Primum 1751) denounced Jewish control of commerce and
"systematical despoliation" of the Christian through usury.

PIUS VII. Known generally as an 'anti-Semite' by Jewish writers.

BENEDICT XV. Warned, in 1920, against

     "the advent of a Universal Republic which is longed for by all
     the worst elements of disorder."

This is resented by some Jews because of their active sponsorship and
direction of such projects as the League of Nations and United Nations. -
And in effect, all Popes who have issued editions of the Index
Expurgatorius, in which Jewish genocidal and anti-Christian writings are
condemned, according to the instructions of the Council of Trent.



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What effect did the article below have in the recent election???

>Subject: Jewish Mafia  

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>--------Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television----------

>According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, "TV Venture by
>Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions," Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire--Central European Media
>Enterprises-- in the countries of the former Soviet Union.

>The Jewish owned Central European Media controls television stations in
>seven East European countries in the region. Ukrainian TV is controlled by
>its subsidiary, the Studio 11 Group, its local partner in Kiev.

>Rabinovich is linked to Grigory Loutchansky, a Russian-Jew, whose company,
>Nordex, is believed to be a front for the Russian-Jewish mafia.

>The Times says, "Rabinovich was jailed from 1982 to 1990 for theft from
>the state. He said in an interview that he had been chief of a
>construction brigade and had sold goods to private customers. He said
>he had committed no real crime and had been persecuted for being Jewish.

>"...Central European Media sought to expand into Ukraine a year ago. At
>the outset, Fertig (its chief of operations) said, its representatives
>were referred to Rabinovich and his partners by a close adviser and 
>assistant to President Leonid Kuchma of Ukraine, who praised the Ukraine
>group. And when questions arose about the legality of the broadcast
>license  received by the joint venture, the same presidential adviser
>obtained a letter declaring that the license had been awarded properly.

>"...(C)oncerns about his business activities led the British government to
>bar Loutchansky from entering the country...An intelligence summary
>prepared by a Western government, and corroborated by senior U.S. 
>diplomats, said Ostex, one of Rabinovich's companies, had been created 
>as an arm of Nordex, a claim that Rabinovich disputed.

>"In the interview in his office in a modern building in Kiev, Rabinovich
>said he had worked with Nordex for about a year but had broken off the
>relationship two years ago because of bad publicity about Loutchansky. He
>said his companies, which are engaged in many businesses, had only
>legitimate interests...

>"Lauder, whose mother founded Estee Lauder Cosmetics, created Central
>European Media in 1994. He predicted last year that the company would have
>annual revenues of $1 billion within five years, but it has run up steady
>losses to date. The company reported last month that it lost $30 million
>in 1996 compared with losses of $18.7 million in 1995 and $20.5 
>million in 1994.

>"When the company sought to enter the Ukraine market a year ago, Fertig
>said, its executives were referred to Rabinovich and his partners in
>Studio 11 by Oleksandra Volkov, an assistant and close adviser to Kuchma.
>Western diplomats and businessmen said Volkov also owned a piece of 
>Studio 11, but Fertig said he was unaware of that investment.

>"Along with the recommendation from the presidential adviser, the company
>executives also were impressed by a photograph in Rabinovich's office that
>showed him with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, according to
>a person close to the company.

>"The photograph was taken in late 1995 at a Democratic fund-raising party
>in Miami, Rabinovich said. He said he had not donated money to the
>Democrats but had been invited to the event by Bennett LeBow, an American
>businessman whose interests include Liggett Group, the big cigarette
>manufacturer.

>"...Last summer Central European Media negotiated a partnership agreement
>with Studio 11 Group that gave the American company a 50 percent
>economic interest in the operation, which was broadcasting about five
>hours a day on Ukrainian television.

>"Studio 11 received a license last fall to expand its broadcast time on
>Ukraine's commercial channel, UT 2, to nine hours a day, including prime
>time. The license, also sought by other companies, was issued despite a
>moratorium imposed by Parliament.

>"...The Ukraine deal is important to Central European Media. In a stock
>offering last fall, which raised $132 million, the company said the
>Ukraine partnership had more than doubled its market reach.

>"A cablegram from the embassy to the State Department in Washington in
>September raised questions about Rabinovich's background and said he was
>'largely considered beyond the reach of the law in Ukraine,' according to
>a copy provided to The New York Times." (End quote).

>Once again we see the worldwide Media Monopoly extend its suzerainty
>thanks to their Money Power and the betrayal of the people by the Pres. of
>Ukraine and other Judases.
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It appears that the Jew retard Yehudah Yeraslasky, who may be related
to former Soviet KGB staff, just can not read, or write in English,
even though he was at one time a student at Simon Fraser University in
canada, according to prior articles exposing him...
That is why is no longer posting from the school, since they took care
of it...


On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:09:42 -0600, Igal_Peacemaker@yahoo.com wrote:
>omerta@casanostra.com  reported::

>: You are too polite. The liar Igal just wants to malign the good people
>: of Poland, which is typical of disinformation by the KGB!!!

>: What can one expect from Yehudah Yeraslavsky, a student at Simon
>: Fraser U, allegedly from former Soviet KGB Jews???

>: To tell the truth?? LOFL




On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:20:31 GMT, yvl@bgumail.bgu.ac.il wrote:

>In article <6m9l2s$3ct$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>  Igal_Peacemaker@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>> From Daily Telegraph:
>>
>> Jews are opposing a decision by the Palestinian
>> self-rule enclave to offer gaming tables and slot machines just a
>> stone's throw from Jerusalem.
>>
>> While Israel continues to ban such gambling, a casino is being completed
>> across the road from Jericho's Akabat Jabar Palestinian refugee camp. It is
>> due to open in late August, according to Casinos Austria International, the
>> franchise holders.
>> =====
>> More drugs, prostitutes and gambling from gaZZa - real cancer on clean body of
>> Israel
>
>Clean? Israelis import prostitutes from the former USSR, as an addition to
>those of local origin, my neighbour sells drugs, and about gambling, there is
>lots of it everywhere, both legal (lottery, Toto) and illegal (casinos, one-
>hand bandits, etc.)
>The only thing your post shows is your racism.



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Mon Nov  2 10:17:33 EST 1998
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You will probably be branded a racist by the Jew Sol Littman and his
band of terrorists!!!

They do not want non-Jews like you to read their books, which detail
THEIR RACIST POLICIES!!!


On 22 Mar 1998 17:57:57 GMT, intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>vark! (mjh@idigital.net) wrote:
>: intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>: > But who decides.  The flat earth people say it is hatred against their
>: > beliefs for schools to teach that the world is round.
>
>: *We* are to say, the collective voice of our nation.  You know,
>: 'Democracy'.  But congratulations for utterly trivializing a serious
>: debate.
>
>Ok, read the following from the Jewish Talmud and ask yourself if it is
>racism and promotes hatred.
>
>
>
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:56:42 -0800
>From: Cool Canadian 
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine
>Subject: Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud
>
>
>
>"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..." 
>
>            "Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society,
>p. XII
>
>The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish
>peoples, as "Gentiles",
>"Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning
>the non-Jewish majority,
>i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People": 
>
>"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They
>are beasts." 
>
>Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b 
>
>"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor
>the the dog more
>than the non-Jew." 
>
>Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 
>
>"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human
>form. It is not
>becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served
>by animals in
>human form." 
>
>Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855 
>
>"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 405 
>
>"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." 
>
>Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b 
>
>"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they
>compare with the
>Jew like a monkey to a human." 
>
>Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b 
>
>"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." 
>
>Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b 
>
>"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not
>express sympathy to
>the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as
>if one of his oxen or
>asses had died"." 
>
>Jore dea 377, 1 
>
>"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between
>animals." 
>
>Talmud Sanhedrin 74b 
>
>"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." 
>
>Sepher ikkarim III c 25 
>
>"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians
>belong to the denying
>ones of the Torah." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 
>
>"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." 
>
>Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b 
>
>"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the
>same as making a
>sacrifice to God." 
>
>Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772



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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:43:00 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>>On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:49:07 GMT, pavels@vpdm.com (Simonovsky Pavel)
>>wrote:
>
>>>On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:29:20 -0500, Susan Cohen 
>>>wrote:
>>>!>Steve Simons wrote:
>
>>>!>> THERE IS A PASSAGE IN THE TALMUD THATS SAYS JEWS SHOULD CHEAT
>>>!NON-JEWS
>>>!>> FOR THEIR WEALTH IS NOTHING MORE THAN PUBLIC PROPERTY, GOOD FOR
>>>!THE
>>>!>> TAKING.
>
>>>>I notice you don't exactly quote the phrase - from whence it specifically
>>>>comes.Oh, that's right, you can't, because this is a complete lie!
>
>>>No it is not "complete lie". I remember that on our book for Hebrew
>>>studies in Tel Aviv university we read the same fragment from talmud.
>>>Of cause I don't remeber from which his part and wich page exactly.,
>>>but may be you will say , that authors of this book were also
>>>"antisemitic liers"?
>
>>When even a JEW admits that this portion is in the TALMUD, one must
>>wonder about what else is in the Talmud, about swindling, and perhaps
>>killing non-JEWS????



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:24:33 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:06:42 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:14:17, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>On Wed, 23 Sep 98 20:34:05 GMT, stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>     We need to re-orient it, though,
>>>to the countless Aryan lives taken in
>>>jewish contrived wars,
>>
>>>------------Reply Separator----------------
>>>On 9/22/98 4:24PM, in message 
>>><6u9eik$re9@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, NSWPP 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>
>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a 
>>>gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden 
>>>crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi 
>>>death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and 
>>>radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has 
>>>threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him 
>>>and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his 
>>>campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to 
>>>dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between 
>>>the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests 
>>>and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser 
>>>Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are 
>>>beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' 
>>>she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an 
>>>eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management 
>>>of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further 
>>>conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is 
>>>appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 
>>>million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention 
>>>was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, 
>>>which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near 
>>>the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest 
>>>graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish 
>>>groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity 
>>>of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor 
>>>triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from 
>>>the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an 
>>>international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope 
>>>John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a 
>>>nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses 
>>>is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker 
>>>groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics 
>>>with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from 
>>>patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of 
>>>Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the 
>>>government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should 
>>>remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jew coalition, which has 
>>>broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is 
>>>unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the 
>>>presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent 
>>>decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be 
>>>negotiated. 
>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph 
>>>Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the 
>>>answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should 
>>>be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up 
>>>to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, 
>>>``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion 
>>>about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon 
>>>affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of 
>>>Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join 
>>>NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom 
>>>and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to 
>>>improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a 
>>>renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work 
>>>on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent 
>>>run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in 
>>>southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more 
>>>directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an 
>>>extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less 
>>>frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by 
>>>the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from 
>>>across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with 
>>>weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, 
>>>were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the 
>>>extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles 
>>>Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about 
>>>preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a 
>>>better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is 
>>>permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are 
>>>also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high 
>>>hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out 
>>>of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes 
>>>managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political 
>>>prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' 
>>>wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main 
>>>Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating 
>>>dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and 
>>>improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and 
>>>controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a 
>>>leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>Why should the cursed Christkillers dictate to the sovereign people
>>of Poland, what Polish people may do in their own country??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the damned JEW-led KGB
>>who murdered the 25000 Polish officers at KATYN??
>>
>>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the JEW-led soviets
>>who occupied and enslaved the Christian Polish people??
>>
>>-88-



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
>>
>>
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:12:51 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>
>>>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep
>>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can
>>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of 
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. 
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new
>>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth -
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>>statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a 
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the 
>>>name 
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court -
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>>moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is 
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few -
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. -
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>>claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>                         
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the 
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:45:55 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>
>Further to previous news reports, the Past President of CGA Alberta, William
>L. Mearns, has been sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison on his conviction for
>embezzling from the County of Red Deer, Alberta.
>
>PAST PRESIDENT CGA - CRIMINAL TRIAL  - GETS  3  1/2  YEARS  IMPRISONMENT
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>WARNING  RE  CGA  CANADA
>
>OF  CONCERN  TO  ACCOUNTING   STUDENTS,  ACCOUNTANTS,  AND  THE  GENERAL  PUBLIC
>
>CGA'S   IN   CANADA  -  WHAT'S   WRONG   WITH   THEM?
>
>Over  the past year, national media have been filling the news with stories
>of major scandals involving prominent CERTIFIED GENERAL ACCOUNTANTS (CGA'S)
>in Canada.
>
>In Alberta, the media have had a field day for the past year, reporting on
>the fact that  a PAST PRESIDENT of CGA Alberta, an FCGA and CGA, was under
>investigation, and eventually charged with 14 serious criminal charges,
>
>The  complaints  were  filed by the Hongkong Bank to the RCMPCOMMERCIAL
>CRIME DIVISION.
>
>The HK Bank was complaining about William Mearns,who had been for 12 years
>the Controller/Treasurer of the County of Red Deer, Alberta.
>
>MEARNS WAS CHARGED WITH 14 SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGES,  as reported
>by CFRN-TV, the Edmonton Sun, and Red Deer Advocate. Among the charges are 5
>charges of uttering forged documents, another 5 charges of making a false
>document, 2 more charges of forgery, one more charge of fraud, and one of
>theft over $5,000.00.
>  
>MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS is reported to be missing.
>
>At  his next Court appearance on 4th October 1996,  the third adjournment
>requested by Mearns, he was convicted, and sentenced to  3  1/2  years  in  prison.
>
>At the end of 1995, without any advice to the general public or EVEN TO
>MEMBERS OF CGA ALBERTA, MEARNS WAS ALLOWED  TO SECRETLY  RESIGN BOTH HIS CGA
>AND FCGA  designations. This seems to be a first for Canada, where an FCGA
>surrenders what was supposed to be a prestigious designation.  In the past
>year Mearns and one of his businesses have both gone bankrupt.
>
>Mind you, Mearns got his FCGA in connection with his work in 1987-1988,
>where he was involved with THE ADMISSSION TO CGA ALBERTA OF UNQUALIFIED
>BOOKKEEPERS, WHO WERE GIVEN THE CGA DESIGNATION, WITHOUT ANY REQUIREMENT FOR
>EDUCATION,QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, NO EXAMS or even a requirement for
>upgrading courses to bring them up to an acceptable standard.  CGA Alberta
>of course benefitted financially, from the huge increase in dues and fees
>from these new members.
>
>The Vancouver Sun and other national media recently carried banner headlines
>regarding ROMAN EVANCIC, another FCGA, who had got himself SHOT!!!  This was
>apparently in connection with some business partner and a collections
>problem. The news reported that the assailant said, as he shot Evancic:" I'm
>from your stock brokers. I  understand you ripped him off." (Vancouver Sun -
>11 January 1996).
>
>And don't forget the scandal exposed on national TV of the Surrey, BC  CGA
>convicted of embezzling millions of dollars from fellow parishioners of his  church.
>
>Are these published reports, as well as others, part of the reason that the
>Maritime Provinces have successfully maintained that CGA's in those
>provinces ARE  NOT  QUALIFIED to perform public audits? Could it have
>something to do with the fact that an unqualified CGA from Alberta could
>move to the Maritimes, and even though unqualified, could still call himself  a CGA there?
>
>As a result of all the bad publicity regarding  problem CGA's in Canada, CGA
>Canada is  now desperately trying to recruit new members from the ignorant
>in  CHINA  and the Caribbean,
>                           
>
>
>Students of accounting in CHINA and  the Caribbean,  who must pay many
>                                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>tens of thousands of dollars to obtain your designation, how do you feel
>about these "gwaliau" who got the CGA for FREE?
>
>Those of you concerned about credibility in the accounting profession are
>invited to respond.
>
>



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What is the final number of wealthy Chinese who returned to Hong Kong
in 1997?

The 200,000 refers only to the first 6 months of 1997.
This must have put a major economic drain on the economies of those
cities such as Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton, where Chinese used to
locate.

On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:26:44 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>A major reason for the return of more than 200,000 Canadian Chinese
>between January and June 1997, as reported by Canadian media, is the
>extortionate taxes in Canada.

>Last year, the JEW Bronfmans took more than 2.2 BILLION dollars out of
>Canada, WITHOUT PAYING THEIR TAXES!!!

>The same day that the Auditor-general of canada exposed this, the
>finance minister amended the Income Tax Act, so that the Chinese
>immigrants would now have to pay INCOME TAXES ON THEIR OVERSEAS
>ASSETS, not just on the INCOME coming into Canada.

>This is now almost a half page section of the 1996 year Income Tax
>returns.

>As a result, those Canadian Chinese who have brains, have left Canada,
>together with their billions, without paying the extortionate canadian
>Income Taxes.

>At the same time, they have sold their real estate in vancouver,
>Toronto and Edmonton, even at a loss, just to get out of Canada, and
>have also closed down many businesses.

>Canada is now experiencing dramatic drops in the value of real estate
>in most cities, as the Chinese investors and speculators abandon the
>country.


>>In article <19971007201501.QAA07156@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>>  clturnomad@aol.com (Clturnomad) wrote:

>>> I am doing research for an article I am writing about Hong Kong, and I am
>>>  interested in people's response to the following question:

>>> In the last few years, there has been a surge of "returnees" to Hong Kong -
>>>  people who left the territory to get a foreign passport, and have now
>>>  returned.  My question is this:  Why do Hong Kong people who have emigrated
>>>  to, say, Canada or the US, and maybe even spent years living in their new
>>>  home, feel the desire to return to Hong Kong?  Is there anything about Hong
>>>  Kong that is really that much better than the US or Canada?


On 31 Oct 1998 06:00:34 GMT, Spehro Pefhany 
wrote:

>In soc.culture.china Patrick Cheong  wrote:
>> When they migrated to Canada, only the income and asserts within Canada were
>> taxable.
>> Then the Canadians amended to law to include all asserts abroad to be
>> taxable.
>> The only way to avoid this tax but keeping the Canadian citizenship is to
>> declare themselves as non-residential Canadians and move everything out of
>> Canada.



>Nonsense. Worldwide income has always been taxed for Canadian residents
>(at least in the last 20 years). Assets abroad are not taxed, only income
>(which often results from assets) or capital gains (from selling assets).
>
>There was a reporting law enacted recently which requires reporting of
>foreign assets and severely punishes not reporting them. 
>
>Some people may think that it is unfair for Canada to tax money made
>entirely outside the country because the owner is a Canadian resident,
>others think it to be entirely fair. Anyway, it is the law. The US is even
>more extreme and taxes its citizens even if they are not resident. 



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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:55:17 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:15:01 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>Notice that supporters of the Christkillers can not answer the
>>questions, or respond to points, so they try ad hominem attacks.
>>
>>History has shown that far too many of the murderers of Christ, and
>>their followers, have been involved in one disaster after another, up
>>to and including communism...
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:45:30 -0400, alg3@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>>>Ivan Petrenko wrote:
>>>
>>>> ATTENTION SUSAN COHEN:
>>>>
>>>> OK, so I am now reading so many of your posts that I think to myself-
>>>
>>>And you shoud've kept to yourself whatever you were thinking. Mark Twain had
>>>a good advice to the trolls like yourself: "It is better to keep quiet and
>>>look intelligent then open your mouth and remove all doubts." :)
>>>
>>>> etah zhenzchinah/this woman has incredible amount hate and anger, enough
>>>> hate in her to start war.
>>>
>>>Another well known tactic, the lame hatemongers like you are so fond of:
>>>"Substitute the lack of arguments with the character assassination"
>>>
>>>> If you don't relax and lighten up little bit, Susan Cohen, I afraid you
>>>> get high blood pressure. Really I think real problem is you can't find
>>>> man.
>>>
>>>Lame, lame...
>>>
>>>> Mozhet bit, maybe you is old maid woman who is very angry at whole
>>>> world.  You need consult with our wise advisor on this site- his name is
>>>> Panikovsky.  You look for his name on posts and read his website.  He
>>>> has help for women like you Susan.
>>>
>>>Did you use his help as well? :)
>>>
>>>> Who has time to write so many posts like you Susan?  Also on this day,
>>>> which is big day for Jews holiday - the Passover.  But you home alone
>>>> writing hate mail.  What sad life you have. But Panikovsky can help you.
>>>> There is hope for you to become happy nice woman someday. Then we
>>>> all not think of you as arrogant bitch.
>>>
>>>> I. Petrenko
>>>
>>>Crawl back into your hole, loser
>>
>>[File: C:\Program Files\Netscape\files\100MILLIONS.TXT]



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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:27:50 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:12:03 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>Grigori Khaskin wrote:
>
>>> : It seems that the Russian JEWs, and their lackeys have already forgotten
>>> : who established the Soviet secret Police, forerunners of the dreaded KGB
>>> : - it was that great JEW Felix DZERZHINSKI!!!
>
>>> Iron Felix was somehow 100% polish if you want to bring race
>>> question to history following hitler writings, you stuck with that. And,
>>> btw, Red Terror started, when CHEKA member jew Moses Uritsky was killed by
>>> antibolshevik jew Leonid Kanegisser and jew Dora Kaplan (renamed later to
>>> Fanni) tried to exterminate Lenin (she was killed by Russian Kremlin
>>> comendant P.D.Mal`kov)
>
>>> : It was the secret police that engaged in genocide - first on the
>>> : Russians, then the more than 30 million Ukrainians murdered by the JEW
>>> : Kommissars!!!
>
>>> : How many tens of millions bodies does it take to REMEMBER - that it was
>>> : the SOVIET JEWS who first engaged in genocide?
>
>>> Your pathetic lies do not cover the fact that revolution and whatever came
>>> after it was made MOSTLY by russians with the help of course of all
>>> brotherly nations - lituaninas, polish, georgian and as well jews. But
>>> more than 3/4 of russian in the bolshevik gand (and Russian was making
>>> less than 53% according to census in 1924) sound a little bit like
>>> overrepresentation. And that is why you blame jews for own crimes and
>>> terminal stupidity.
>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> G.K.
>
>>Glad to see that even a stupid Russian can sometimes tell the truth -
>>ABOUT THE JEWS CONTROLLING THE FORMER SOVIET UNION!!!
>
>>I find it offensive that you wish to blame some Polish people, who were
>>JEWS, for the fact that the former Soviet union regularly engaged in
>>genocide.



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Mon Nov  2 10:35:51 EST 1998
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:12:51 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>
>>>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep
>>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can
>>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of 
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. 
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new
>>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth -
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>>statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a 
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the 
>>>name 
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court -
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>>moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is 
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few -
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. -
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>>claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>                         
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the 
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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cULLED FROM DEJA nEWS, AND WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:13:28 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>Your offer to the crypto-Jew is emminenly sensible.

>Your note about the prosecution of historians in Poland is extremely
>disturbing.

>Does this mean that the Polish JEWS are still controlling Poland,
>through the JEW Communist Party?/

>Are they still connected to the JEW DZERZHINSKI, who established the
>Soviet Communist secret Police, responsible for the KATYN MURDERS, as
>well as the genocide of more than 30 million Ukrainians??





>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:16:44 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:

>>Dear Marzena,

>>	I notice your unhappiness about Polish Historical Society, as well the
>>fact that you are reluctant to spell out that you are of a Polish ethnic
>>background.  But I wish to assure you that once we find a few of the
>>hundreds of missing mass graves and bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazis did
>>not have the time to cremate, we will become holocaustians like you,
>>again, and then you will be happy "with our class".

>>	Why don’t you help us to do it?  The first step is to contribute about
>>$1000.00 with which we could look for the presence or absence of such
>>graves in wartime aerial photos at the US National. Archives. We found
>>them in the air photos of Katyn and Treblinka I for Poles.  We will
>>check the areas suggested by the contributors and especially Jews (e.g.
>>of the well known Vilnius or the small shtetl of Yedwabne).  Support of
>>other contributors is welcomed.  Isn't that worth of us, again, becoming
>>holocaustians. 

>>	Many of you contributed an estimated total of $150,000 for the search
>>of a few small graves in air photos of Bosnia with a splendid results! 
>>With a one time contribution of $1,000 you could shot down the entire
>>proliferating and burgeoning Holocaust Revisionism will collapse.  You
>>are unnecessarily ashamed of the PHS. Please remember that even The New
>>York Times  illustrated and entitled our essay "Do Not Cut Off All
>>Debate About Holocaust" on 1/1/94.

>>	There is little doubt that you are a Polish crypto-Jew.  Thus, you
>>should worry about four periodicals are being presently sold at the
>>newsstands which persistently carry Holocaust revisionists articles. 
>>All of them especially Stanczyk are at the highest scholarly and
>>philosophical level.  Adam Gmurczyk, a 34 years old historian and an
>>editor of the monthly Szczerbiec was featured five weeks ago on the
>>front page of the governmental daily Trybuna because the Prosecutor
>>General wants to file charges against him for translating and publishing
>>"66 Question and Answers About the Holocaust."  The maximum penalty
>>Gmurczyk is face is twenty three years in prison. During the last five
>>years Poland became the hotbed of Holocaust Revisionism.  Even in USA,
>>protected by the First Amendment, not a single newsstand or bookstore is
>>know to sell any revisionist literature.

>>	Graduate of Polish Catholic Academy (an university), Gmurczyk says "We
>>can not build greatness of our country on someone else’s lies." 
>>Revisionism is also burgeoning in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and slowly in
>>Arabic countries.  It is prosecuted in France, Germany, Switzerland and
>>Sweden. 

>>	If you want to stop it, lets start to look for the mass graves of
>>4,000,000 Jews, whom the Nazis did not have time to cremate.  The
>>rallying cry of Revisionists is:

>>                  NO   BONES,  NO  HOLOCAUST!

>>Jan Konieczny


>>> > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>>> > To: Marzena
>>> > Subject: Re: Polish Friends
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 4:20 AM


>>> > > PAWLIKOWSKI  wrote in article


>>> > > > this sanctimoniuos graphomaniac posted the message below also on
>>> > > > soc.culture.ukrainian but entitled Ukrainian Friends.  This lying Jew
>>> > > > does not post on soc.culture.jewish
>>> > > > jp


>>> > > > greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> > > > > Dear Polish friends,
>>> > > > > Unquestionably the vast majority of contributors to the Polish
>>> > > newsgroup
>>> > > > > are a fine group of people, and like most Americans and others
>>> living
>>> > > in
>>> > > > > a democracy, enjoy the discussions, exchanges of ideas and become
>>> > > > > better informed by that discourse.
>>> > > > > Unfortunately, there are a few, actually  very few, clear
>>> disrupters of
>>> > > > > this
>>> > > > > fine newsgroup who contribute nothing to the group and only leave a
>>> > > > > sour taste that reflects poorly on the Poles in the group. Clearly,
>>> > > > > those
>>> > > > > people are revisionists and belong in alt.revisionism not
>>> > > > > soc.culture.polish .
>>> > > > >  In  order to help direct those revisionists to the group they need
>>> to
>>> > > > > be
>>> > > > > posting to I will reply to people like Pawlikowski, ONEMARINE,
>>> > > > > Vmartin750, Hwolski, Giwer/Wallace and revisionists like them, only
>>> in
>>> > > > > alt.revisionism . This is to avoid playing the same disgusting game
>>> > > they
>>> > > > > are doing by polluting the Polish newsgroup. Clearly they are not
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > same league with normal human beings dealing with fair discourse.
>>> > > > > The Pawlikowski klan are clearly racists, neo-Nazi revisionists,
>>> > > > > Jew-baiters, Jew-haters and anti-Roman Catholic. They defend the
>>> Nazi
>>> > > > > SS,
>>> > > > > and make bizarre statements like "Polish Roman Catholic Priests
>>> sent to
>>> > > > > Nazi Concentration Camps were given Butlers", "Nazi doctors like
>>> > > Mengele
>>> > > > > practiced Ethical Medicine at Auschwitz", deny the murder of 652
>>> French
>>> > > > > Roman Catholics were forced into a Church at Oradour sur Glane and
>>> > > blown
>>> > > > > up by the Nazi police and believe both Pope Paul II and
>>> > > > > Cardinal O'conner were corrupt and bribed by Jews. They vicious
>>> jackals
>>> > > > > pose as  fake "historians" and their qualifications are stated as
>>> > > > > "common
>>> > > > > sense" instead of degreed historians. Their cover is Polish
>>> Historical
>>> > > > > Society. A typical distortion is their warm greeting to Matt Giwer/
>>> > > > > Wallace, the bizarre Jew-hater is "welcome Mr. Wallace what a fine
>>> > > > > Scotch name you have". Giwer is to Scotland as Pawlikowski to
>>> Polish
>>> > > > > patriotism!
>>> > > > > As far as the trio, degenerate ONEMARINE,Vmartin750 & Hwolski. I
>>> regard
>>> > > > > them as unfit human refuse, having nothing to do with realistic
>>> human
>>> > > > > interface. They attack everyone they disagree with vile
>>> vituperation
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > attack even a fine Roman Catholic, Anne Czubek without rhyme nor
>>> > > reason.
>>> > > > > I can take the filthy lies and degeneracy by myself, but when these
>>> > > > > sub-humans flies gnaw at my sick and elderly bedridden Mother by
>>> > > calling
>>> > > > > her "a slimey cheap whore" or their constantly fabricated stories
>>> of
>>> > > > > homosexuality and other distortions, they have gone beyond the
>>> bounds
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > human decency- even for scum like them from the dregs of the human
>>> > > > > sub-culture. If you don't agree look at the words that came from
>>> > > > > HWolski's brain and keyboard:
>>> > > > > "Fuck you jew queer hermie. Did you have fun butt banging another
>>> queer
>>> > > > > last night,  pornographer scum. Hiding with a phony addres doesn't
>>> fool
>>> > > > > anyone homo. You are a jew pig pervert that should be in a
>>> > > > > cage with other slimy jew perverts."
>>> > > > > Is this how human beings discuss issues?
>>> > > > > Are there any Poles here think that kind of degeneracy belongs in
>>> the
>>> > > > > Polish newsgroup- or anywhere else?
>>> > > > > Herman




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What effect did the article below have in the recent election???

>Subject: Jewish Mafia  

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>Subject: Jewish Mafia  
>======================================================
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>--------Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television----------

>According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, "TV Venture by
>Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions," Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire--Central European Media
>Enterprises-- in the countries of the former Soviet Union.

>The Jewish owned Central European Media controls television stations in
>seven East European countries in the region. Ukrainian TV is controlled by
>its subsidiary, the Studio 11 Group, its local partner in Kiev.

>Rabinovich is linked to Grigory Loutchansky, a Russian-Jew, whose company,
>Nordex, is believed to be a front for the Russian-Jewish mafia.

>The Times says, "Rabinovich was jailed from 1982 to 1990 for theft from
>the state. He said in an interview that he had been chief of a
>construction brigade and had sold goods to private customers. He said
>he had committed no real crime and had been persecuted for being Jewish.

>"...Central European Media sought to expand into Ukraine a year ago. At
>the outset, Fertig (its chief of operations) said, its representatives
>were referred to Rabinovich and his partners by a close adviser and 
>assistant to President Leonid Kuchma of Ukraine, who praised the Ukraine
>group. And when questions arose about the legality of the broadcast
>license  received by the joint venture, the same presidential adviser
>obtained a letter declaring that the license had been awarded properly.

>"...(C)oncerns about his business activities led the British government to
>bar Loutchansky from entering the country...An intelligence summary
>prepared by a Western government, and corroborated by senior U.S. 
>diplomats, said Ostex, one of Rabinovich's companies, had been created 
>as an arm of Nordex, a claim that Rabinovich disputed.

>"In the interview in his office in a modern building in Kiev, Rabinovich
>said he had worked with Nordex for about a year but had broken off the
>relationship two years ago because of bad publicity about Loutchansky. He
>said his companies, which are engaged in many businesses, had only
>legitimate interests...

>"Lauder, whose mother founded Estee Lauder Cosmetics, created Central
>European Media in 1994. He predicted last year that the company would have
>annual revenues of $1 billion within five years, but it has run up steady
>losses to date. The company reported last month that it lost $30 million
>in 1996 compared with losses of $18.7 million in 1995 and $20.5 
>million in 1994.

>"When the company sought to enter the Ukraine market a year ago, Fertig
>said, its executives were referred to Rabinovich and his partners in
>Studio 11 by Oleksandra Volkov, an assistant and close adviser to Kuchma.
>Western diplomats and businessmen said Volkov also owned a piece of 
>Studio 11, but Fertig said he was unaware of that investment.

>"Along with the recommendation from the presidential adviser, the company
>executives also were impressed by a photograph in Rabinovich's office that
>showed him with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, according to
>a person close to the company.

>"The photograph was taken in late 1995 at a Democratic fund-raising party
>in Miami, Rabinovich said. He said he had not donated money to the
>Democrats but had been invited to the event by Bennett LeBow, an American
>businessman whose interests include Liggett Group, the big cigarette
>manufacturer.

>"...Last summer Central European Media negotiated a partnership agreement
>with Studio 11 Group that gave the American company a 50 percent
>economic interest in the operation, which was broadcasting about five
>hours a day on Ukrainian television.

>"Studio 11 received a license last fall to expand its broadcast time on
>Ukraine's commercial channel, UT 2, to nine hours a day, including prime
>time. The license, also sought by other companies, was issued despite a
>moratorium imposed by Parliament.

>"...The Ukraine deal is important to Central European Media. In a stock
>offering last fall, which raised $132 million, the company said the
>Ukraine partnership had more than doubled its market reach.

>"A cablegram from the embassy to the State Department in Washington in
>September raised questions about Rabinovich's background and said he was
>'largely considered beyond the reach of the law in Ukraine,' according to
>a copy provided to The New York Times." (End quote).

>Once again we see the worldwide Media Monopoly extend its suzerainty
>thanks to their Money Power and the betrayal of the people by the Pres. of
>Ukraine and other Judases.
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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims made
>here.      
>
>
>1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>
>        None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>individual "survivors", and no "survivor" claims actually to have
>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>demographic statistics.
>
>        On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>
>
>        2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>WORLD
>WAR TWO?
>
>        Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>race or national origin alone.
>
>
>        3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>
>        Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>internment once the war broke out.
>
>        On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German "death camps" were
>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>been fully justified.
>
>
>        4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>
>        Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>
>
>        5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>        
>        Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted. 
>
>        En passant, the brief lifespan of the "Dachau death camp"
>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum. 
>
>
>        6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>
>        No. The "gas chamber" exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz "gas chamber" for chemical
>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.        
>
>
>        7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN'T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>
>        It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>
>
>        8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>
>        Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>commonly used and available today.
>
>
>        9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>
>        Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>Hoess' blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>cross examined.
>
>
>        10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>
>        About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>only are employed.
>
>
>        11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>
>        It can't be explained, because it could not have happened like
>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>
>
>        12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN'T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>        
>        Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>million figure as well. 
>
>
>        13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>NOT KNOW?
>
>        Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>all during the war that such an event was occurring. 
>
>
>        14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>DURING THE WAR?
>
>        About 300,000.
>
>
>        15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>
>        Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>
>
>        16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>DIED?
>
>        5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a "Holocaust".
>
>
>        17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" SAY THEY SAW
>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>
>        A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that's for sure.        
>
>
>        18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>
>        No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>other way in open pits. The Holocaust "experts" who claim otherwise are
>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>
>
>        19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>
>        About two hours.
>
>
>        20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>
>        To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>typhus and other diseases.
>
>
>        21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>
>        About 430,600.
>
>
>        22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>
>        No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>when in heavy operation.
>        
>
>        23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>CORPSE?
>        
>        After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>
>
>        24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>
>        That remains to be "explained". Six million bodies would
>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>anywhere else in Europe.
>
>
>        25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>
>        No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>burned.
>
>
>        26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>WHOLE "HOLOCAUST" ISSUE?
>
>        A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust. 
>
>        Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war's end, the
>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>claiming that the Red Cross was "full of Nazi sympathizers". This
>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>        
>
>        27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>
>        Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>published text. 
>
>        In 1950 Anne Frank's father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>repeated attempts by scholars to view it. 
>
>        28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>
>        Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a "Nazi SS
>man" about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine. 
>
>        (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>be perpetrated by Holocaust "experts" is not surprising in view of the
>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin's butcheries
>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay's
>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>
>
>        29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>        
>        Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>        
>
>        30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>
>        None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>Zip. Nada. 
>
>
>        31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>DURING THE WAR?
>
>        Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>to silence him.
>
>
>        32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>
>        Slightly less than four million.
>
>
>        33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>NAZIS?
>
>        Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>kill them.
>
>
>        34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN'T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>
>        After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>they are all accounted for.
>
>        35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>TODAY?
>
>        It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>sums of "guilt money", especially from the German government. It
>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>billion dollars in assorted "Holocaust reparations" and the ante is
>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>
>
>        36. ARE FILMS LIKE "HOLOCAUST", "SCHINDLER'S LIST", AND "THE
>WINDS OF WAR" DOCUMENTARIES?
>
>        Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>creative and financial sectors of film making. 
>
>        Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg's
>production of "Schindler's List" was sanitized to the point of being
>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>
>
>        37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>        Over 100, with more in the works.
>
>
>        38. BUT AREN'T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>
>        Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>
>
>        39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>        A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>from many of the postings to Nizkor's Internet playgroups that they
>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>
>        The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned. 
>
>        Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>Revisionist bookseller's offices were burned, and in Toronto
>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel's home was almost destroyed in an arson
>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>prison and torture in Germany. 
>
>        An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the "crime" of writing
>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>only after an international outcry. Schmidt's "crime" was writing a
>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>been imprisoned so many times he's lost count. Revisionists have been
>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>
>        THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people's
>country, and then to slaughter that country's original inhabitants at
>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>       
>
>        40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>REVISIONISTS?
>
>        No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>
>
>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>ihrgreg@kaiwan.com - W.S.
>
>
>        
>***********************************************************************
>********
>
>        "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle
>of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker
>Yockey, IMPERIUM



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Notice that nevins supports the degeneration. One must wonder why,
such as what was his family name originally???hmm...


On 31 Mar 1998 06:20:18 GMT, intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>nevins@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>: In a short year can.general has come from being a somewhat interesting
>: place with a variety of topics, mostly political but that was alright,
>: to a racist pig pen. Unfortunately this not a true representation of
>: what this the vast majority of Canadians are all about. It is sad to
>: see it degenerate so.
>
>You are right, I even found out the following :
>
>Subject: Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud (fwd)
>
>
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:56:42 -0800
>From: Cool Canadian 
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine
>Subject: Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud
>
>
>
>"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..." 
>
>            "Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society,
>p. XII
>
>The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish
>peoples, as "Gentiles",
>"Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning
>the non-Jewish majority,
>i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People": 
>
>"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They
>are beasts." 
>
>Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b 
>
>"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor
>the the dog more
>than the non-Jew." 
>
>Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 
>
>"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human
>form. It is not
>becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served
>by animals in
>human form." 
>
>Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855 
>
>"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 405 
>
>"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." 
>
>Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b 
>
>"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they
>compare with the
>Jew like a monkey to a human." 
>
>Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b 
>
>"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." 
>
>Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b 
>
>"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not
>express sympathy to
>the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as
>if one of his oxen or
>asses had died"." 
>
>Jore dea 377, 1 
>
>"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between
>animals." 
>
>Talmud Sanhedrin 74b 
>
>"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." 
>
>Sepher ikkarim III c 25 
>
>"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians
>belong to the denying
>ones of the Torah." 
>
>Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 
>
>"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." 
>
>Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b 
>
>"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the
>same as making a
>sacrifice to God." 
>
>Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:15:20 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:03:43 GMT, asumat@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>ARE THE ROTHSCHILD BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY?
>>By: Efraim Menashe
>>
>>
>>Jerusalem, Israel--It isn't easy being a conspiracy researcher- let
>>alone a Jewish conspiracy researcher- when so many Jews are involved
>>in political intrigue and world domination. This is a fact any
>>objective thinker must conclude- whether the researcher is a Jew or
>>not. As a Jew, the decision is harder to accept.
>>
>>But I guess I am an objective thinker before I am a Jew, and for that
>>reason I am prepared to publicly admit to all who are reading that
>>indeed, there is a conspiracy to control and dominate the world, and
>>that many, many Jews play, and have played a role, in that conspiracy.
>>For this is not speculation, it is fact. The names are well known to
>>all:  Rothschild, Warburg, George Soros, Henry Kissinger, the
>>Bronfmans, Jacob Shiff, Bernard Baruch, Judah Benjamin, etc. However,
>>one must remember that included in the conspiracy are also the
>>Rockefellers, J.P. Morgan, Cecil Rhodes, the British Royal Family, the
>>Vatican, the French and Italian members of the "NWO planning
>>committee." Most of the players in the NWO arena are not Jews, if all
>>the members are included.
>>
>>The problem is that for some reason only the Rothschilds are
>>associated with being behind the creation of "the Illuminati." All the
>>conspiracy literature points the sole finger at this family for
>>creating the Illuminati and causing revolutions in France, Russia, the
>>US, the murder of Lincoln, the creation of the Federal Reserve, the
>>crash of l929, the Bank of England, two World Wars: in fact,
>>everything that supposedly happens in the NWO is carried out via
>>"agents of Rothschild." It is quite amazing how every conspiracy
>>researcher whether it is Tex Marrs, David Icke, Guradas, Ralph
>>Epperson, Eustice Mullins, John Coleman, it doesn't matter from which
>>perspective they came to understand the grand conspiracy, they all
>>agree on one thing that is that the "Rothschilds who are behind
>>everything."
>>
>>The Schiffs, the Warburgs, Bernard Baruch, are said to be "agents of
>>Rothschilds" but this may only mean that no other higher chain of
>>command has been identified. None of these so-called agents ever
>>admitted to being an agent, nor do we really know if they were. The
>>way the conspiracy is described in the revisionist view of history, it
>>is just assumed that they are, as it is assumed that the Rothschilds
>>are behind the creation of the Illuminati. I have yet to see any proof
>>that this is the case. I am not suggesting that the Rothschilds are
>>not players in the NWO, only that they are far from being the only
>>ones and it has never been shown by any conspiracy researcher that
>>they are indeed, "Chairmen of the Board."
>>
>>It is possible that the Rothschilds agreed to have all the blame
>>placed on them so there would be an outlet for those observant people
>>who discovered the conspiracy. The family appears to have accepted
>>that they would be blamed for the conspiracy and this would cause an
>>increase in anti-semitism. The Rothschilds may have gone along with
>>this in order to gain more power in the circle of powerbrokers.
>>
>>It doesn't seem to occur to the the Rothschilds' accusers that the
>>likelihood of so much power being accumulated by one family is
>>infinitely remote. What is never asked is "What was so special about
>>the policies of the Rothschilds?"  So they lent money to kings.
>>Couldn't other rich people do that? How come no king ever tried to
>>kill one of them to get rid of his debt? There is no recorded event
>>anywhere of any type of opposition to Rothschilds' evil practices. Why
>>not? the Knights Templer made enemies and were defeated by their
>>enemies. How come the Rothschilds had no enemies who took revenge?
>>How is it possible that a family dynasty can attain such power and
>>wealth and yet have no enemies?
>>
>>Another question which needs to be answered is: "Did the Rothschilds
>>run the Illuminati on their own?" Did they alone create all the
>>intrigue and figure out all the plots and carry out the plans to cause
>>the revolutions and wars?
>>
>>The running of the conspiracy is so complex, it defies all logic to
>>suggest that it can be managed by just only one family. They must have
>>had promoters and advocates who were prepared to go along with them.
>>Yet there isn't one recorded event of a rebellion by the people who
>>were following them or any other powerbroker competing for the top
>>spot. The so-called Rothschilds' agents, Schiff, Benjamin, Warburg,
>>Baruch, all went along without any challenge Rothschilds' leadership.
>>Why? Since when has such power entrenched in one family not met with
>>opposition?
>>
>>If the conspiracy theory that the Rothschilds with the Illuminati
>>created the French revolution is true, and that the War of 1812, the
>>Civil War, murder of Abraham Lincoln, the Russian revolution, the
>>Russian-Japan war were Rothschild inspired, how is it that hrough all
>>of these years the family was able to keep themselves so completely
>>hidden from the public and free of blame? Why are they so untouchable?
>>Perhaps the near "supermen" status many conspiracy researchers give
>>the Rothschilds needs to be reevaluated. It simply isn't possible for
>>one family to be so powerful over a period of 200 years and for one
>>family to control everything the way conspiracy researchers present
>>it.
>>
>>I am prepared to buy that the Rothschilds from their beginnings are
>>one of the world's lowest form of lifes and responsible for the death
>>of hundreds of millions of people, Jews included. They may even be a
>>devil worshipers.  The entire family is a shame to the Jewish people.
>>They have no love for the Jewish people and they have caused much
>>hardship for their brethren.  So they are criminals but they are just
>>one powerful family out of many.  Why are they being singled out as
>>sitting on top of the heap? Who are all the others that we don't hear
>>about?
>>
>>How could one family have become so powerful that even the Kings of
>>Europe they were lending money to never tried to eliminate the debt by
>>eliminating the moneylender? Certainly these heads of state had the
>>means, militarily and in other ways, to handle the Rothschilds in
>>order not to have to repay debts. However no proof exists anywhere to
>>prove that the Rothschilds were behind the creation of the Illuminati.
>>
>>My point is that they may have been involved in the affair, but they
>>aren't the sole architects of the conspiracy.
>>
>>Fellow conspiracy researchers: there is no Jewish conspiracy. There
>>are plenty of Jews wrapped up in the quest for a NWO, but to ascribe
>>the entire agenda to a small group of Jews, is plainly wrong. The
>>anti-Semites like to point out "how powerful the Jews are", but are
>>the Jews as a people so powerful or is a tiny group of Jews dominating
>>the power?
>>
>>Are these Jews really the ones in charge of the entire agenda to
>>enslave the world? Hardly. The notion that there is a cabal of Jews
>>who sit together once a year and decide how to control the world, and
>>they do this on behalf of some Jewish entity, or Israel, is what we
>>are asked to believe. If such a cabal exists, and the anti-Semites say
>>it has existed for centuries, then where is one recorded historical
>>event of a group of Jews assembling to plan their control over the
>>world? There is no proof anywhere showing that The Protocols of Zion
>>was describing a group of Jews intent on dominating the world so they,
>>the Jews, would be kings. Indeed the protocols was probably an
>>accurate description of a group of people bent on world domination.
>>There may have been some Jews sitting at the table. I believe that. I
>>just don't believe that the majority were Jews.  If not, then who are
>>the others? Who sits at that table other than the selected Jewish
>>powerbrokers?
>>
>>There are Jews involved in the conspiracy to subject the world to a
>>one-world government, no question of that, yet none of them are
>>representing any Jews other than themselves. We know the Jewish masses
>>are wonderful, hardworking educated people. The select few who are
>>rich and are powerbrokers are a disgrace and should be exposed. How
>>Israel's leadership has been thoroughly compromised and corrupted by
>>the international Jewish powerbrokers should also be exposed. Rich,
>>powerful Jews abroad exploit Israel for the gain of the people they
>>work for. If these truths were exposed at least the issue would be
>>confronted and the wound could, at least, start to heal.
>>
>>Unlike the majority of Jews, I have no reason to respect people like
>>George Soros or Edgar Bronfman. They don't represent anyone other than
>>other powerbrokers. I offer no guilt for these people. They are
>>gangsters and like all other gangsters, they need to be punished. It
>>smears the entire Jewish people for these people to claim they are
>>"Jewish leaders."  I'm one Jew/Israeli who never voted for Bronfman
>>and object to his involvement in Jewish affairs and Israeli diplomacy.
>>Jews like Soros and Bronfman are a cancer in the body of the Jewish
>>people and to the state of Israel. I'm all for exposing these
>>criminals and letting them face justice. Perhaps that's the difference
>>between me and the rest of my fellow Jews: I don't care if we "wash
>>our dirty laundry in front of the goyim," we need to wash our dirty
>>laundry in front of ourselves.
>>
>>That, fellow conspiracy researchers, is where I end my apologies. I
>>don't believe there is a Jewish conspiracy or ever was. What happened
>>was that many rich and unscrupulous Jews throughout the past 300 years
>>were prepared to take the blame for the conspiracy in exchange for
>>power and influence. They believed that a little exploitation of your
>>fellow Jews wasn't such a high price to pay if it meant personal
>>advancement. Edgar Bronfman and George Soros were the Baruchs and
>>Warburgs of a generation ago. Nothing changes in the conspiracy. Jews
>>play in the game today as they did then. However I am not sure they
>>are in charge today anymore than they were then.
>>
>>Let's not forget that the Vatican, the French, German, and Italian
>>families, and the existing Monarchies in Europe, are still major
>>sources of political and economic power in the world. The Jews are
>>just one player in a game with many players. The only difference is
>>that the Jews and Israel ARE in the news and identifiable.  Thus it's
>>easy to point the finger at the Jews because they stand out due to
>>their economic strength.  The others remain hidden behind thrones and
>>Churches and a European tradition of secrecy. The Jews are featured in
>>the mainstream media while everything the Vatican and the others do
>>are held in secret so names are not recognizable.
>>
>>No fellow researchers, the Jews don't control the NWO. This conclusion
>>may not be accepted by the Spotlight crowd who are looking for the
>>simple answer and to them, it is just to blame the Jews for world
>>domination.  This is what the non-Jewish NWO players have planned and
>>executed as a cunning policy to keep their plan for a one-world
>>government secret: When it is threatened with exposure, get a few
>>stooges to "blame the Jews" then have a few other dupes point the
>>finger at the stooges and scream "anti-Semite."
>>
>>While the Spotlight crowd may not be capable of realizing how they are
>>being duped, I hope all other sincere conspiracy researchers begin to
>>question their basic contention that "the Rothschilds are behind the
>>conspiracy to dominate the world." While the Rothschilds may be
>>members of the team, they are far from being a one-man show.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:39:30 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:59:16 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>The attached article is from deja News, and surely deserves further
>discussion??
>
>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org
>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
>	
>>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
>
>>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:         
>        
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>         
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."       
>         
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government."         
>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>Moisei Uritsky. 
>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>
>>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." 
>
>>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>
>>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon. 
>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>were Jews. 
>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it." 
>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>
>>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>4, 1919) 
>	
>>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>
>>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>  
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People 
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>                http://www.natall.com  
>>                http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>     Roger's Page  http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>>      Keep It White Because You Know It's Right!
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Was PAMYAT, and Zhirinovsky correct, then??



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:15:20 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:03:43 GMT, asumat@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>ARE THE ROTHSCHILD BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY?
>>By: Efraim Menashe
>>
>>
>>Jerusalem, Israel--It isn't easy being a conspiracy researcher- let
>>alone a Jewish conspiracy researcher- when so many Jews are involved
>>in political intrigue and world domination. This is a fact any
>>objective thinker must conclude- whether the researcher is a Jew or
>>not. As a Jew, the decision is harder to accept.
>>
>>But I guess I am an objective thinker before I am a Jew, and for that
>>reason I am prepared to publicly admit to all who are reading that
>>indeed, there is a conspiracy to control and dominate the world, and
>>that many, many Jews play, and have played a role, in that conspiracy.
>>For this is not speculation, it is fact. The names are well known to
>>all:  Rothschild, Warburg, George Soros, Henry Kissinger, the
>>Bronfmans, Jacob Shiff, Bernard Baruch, Judah Benjamin, etc. However,
>>one must remember that included in the conspiracy are also the
>>Rockefellers, J.P. Morgan, Cecil Rhodes, the British Royal Family, the
>>Vatican, the French and Italian members of the "NWO planning
>>committee." Most of the players in the NWO arena are not Jews, if all
>>the members are included.
>>
>>The problem is that for some reason only the Rothschilds are
>>associated with being behind the creation of "the Illuminati." All the
>>conspiracy literature points the sole finger at this family for
>>creating the Illuminati and causing revolutions in France, Russia, the
>>US, the murder of Lincoln, the creation of the Federal Reserve, the
>>crash of l929, the Bank of England, two World Wars: in fact,
>>everything that supposedly happens in the NWO is carried out via
>>"agents of Rothschild." It is quite amazing how every conspiracy
>>researcher whether it is Tex Marrs, David Icke, Guradas, Ralph
>>Epperson, Eustice Mullins, John Coleman, it doesn't matter from which
>>perspective they came to understand the grand conspiracy, they all
>>agree on one thing that is that the "Rothschilds who are behind
>>everything."
>>
>>The Schiffs, the Warburgs, Bernard Baruch, are said to be "agents of
>>Rothschilds" but this may only mean that no other higher chain of
>>command has been identified. None of these so-called agents ever
>>admitted to being an agent, nor do we really know if they were. The
>>way the conspiracy is described in the revisionist view of history, it
>>is just assumed that they are, as it is assumed that the Rothschilds
>>are behind the creation of the Illuminati. I have yet to see any proof
>>that this is the case. I am not suggesting that the Rothschilds are
>>not players in the NWO, only that they are far from being the only
>>ones and it has never been shown by any conspiracy researcher that
>>they are indeed, "Chairmen of the Board."
>>
>>It is possible that the Rothschilds agreed to have all the blame
>>placed on them so there would be an outlet for those observant people
>>who discovered the conspiracy. The family appears to have accepted
>>that they would be blamed for the conspiracy and this would cause an
>>increase in anti-semitism. The Rothschilds may have gone along with
>>this in order to gain more power in the circle of powerbrokers.
>>
>>It doesn't seem to occur to the the Rothschilds' accusers that the
>>likelihood of so much power being accumulated by one family is
>>infinitely remote. What is never asked is "What was so special about
>>the policies of the Rothschilds?"  So they lent money to kings.
>>Couldn't other rich people do that? How come no king ever tried to
>>kill one of them to get rid of his debt? There is no recorded event
>>anywhere of any type of opposition to Rothschilds' evil practices. Why
>>not? the Knights Templer made enemies and were defeated by their
>>enemies. How come the Rothschilds had no enemies who took revenge?
>>How is it possible that a family dynasty can attain such power and
>>wealth and yet have no enemies?
>>
>>Another question which needs to be answered is: "Did the Rothschilds
>>run the Illuminati on their own?" Did they alone create all the
>>intrigue and figure out all the plots and carry out the plans to cause
>>the revolutions and wars?
>>
>>The running of the conspiracy is so complex, it defies all logic to
>>suggest that it can be managed by just only one family. They must have
>>had promoters and advocates who were prepared to go along with them.
>>Yet there isn't one recorded event of a rebellion by the people who
>>were following them or any other powerbroker competing for the top
>>spot. The so-called Rothschilds' agents, Schiff, Benjamin, Warburg,
>>Baruch, all went along without any challenge Rothschilds' leadership.
>>Why? Since when has such power entrenched in one family not met with
>>opposition?
>>
>>If the conspiracy theory that the Rothschilds with the Illuminati
>>created the French revolution is true, and that the War of 1812, the
>>Civil War, murder of Abraham Lincoln, the Russian revolution, the
>>Russian-Japan war were Rothschild inspired, how is it that hrough all
>>of these years the family was able to keep themselves so completely
>>hidden from the public and free of blame? Why are they so untouchable?
>>Perhaps the near "supermen" status many conspiracy researchers give
>>the Rothschilds needs to be reevaluated. It simply isn't possible for
>>one family to be so powerful over a period of 200 years and for one
>>family to control everything the way conspiracy researchers present
>>it.
>>
>>I am prepared to buy that the Rothschilds from their beginnings are
>>one of the world's lowest form of lifes and responsible for the death
>>of hundreds of millions of people, Jews included. They may even be a
>>devil worshipers.  The entire family is a shame to the Jewish people.
>>They have no love for the Jewish people and they have caused much
>>hardship for their brethren.  So they are criminals but they are just
>>one powerful family out of many.  Why are they being singled out as
>>sitting on top of the heap? Who are all the others that we don't hear
>>about?
>>
>>How could one family have become so powerful that even the Kings of
>>Europe they were lending money to never tried to eliminate the debt by
>>eliminating the moneylender? Certainly these heads of state had the
>>means, militarily and in other ways, to handle the Rothschilds in
>>order not to have to repay debts. However no proof exists anywhere to
>>prove that the Rothschilds were behind the creation of the Illuminati.
>>
>>My point is that they may have been involved in the affair, but they
>>aren't the sole architects of the conspiracy.
>>
>>Fellow conspiracy researchers: there is no Jewish conspiracy. There
>>are plenty of Jews wrapped up in the quest for a NWO, but to ascribe
>>the entire agenda to a small group of Jews, is plainly wrong. The
>>anti-Semites like to point out "how powerful the Jews are", but are
>>the Jews as a people so powerful or is a tiny group of Jews dominating
>>the power?
>>
>>Are these Jews really the ones in charge of the entire agenda to
>>enslave the world? Hardly. The notion that there is a cabal of Jews
>>who sit together once a year and decide how to control the world, and
>>they do this on behalf of some Jewish entity, or Israel, is what we
>>are asked to believe. If such a cabal exists, and the anti-Semites say
>>it has existed for centuries, then where is one recorded historical
>>event of a group of Jews assembling to plan their control over the
>>world? There is no proof anywhere showing that The Protocols of Zion
>>was describing a group of Jews intent on dominating the world so they,
>>the Jews, would be kings. Indeed the protocols was probably an
>>accurate description of a group of people bent on world domination.
>>There may have been some Jews sitting at the table. I believe that. I
>>just don't believe that the majority were Jews.  If not, then who are
>>the others? Who sits at that table other than the selected Jewish
>>powerbrokers?
>>
>>There are Jews involved in the conspiracy to subject the world to a
>>one-world government, no question of that, yet none of them are
>>representing any Jews other than themselves. We know the Jewish masses
>>are wonderful, hardworking educated people. The select few who are
>>rich and are powerbrokers are a disgrace and should be exposed. How
>>Israel's leadership has been thoroughly compromised and corrupted by
>>the international Jewish powerbrokers should also be exposed. Rich,
>>powerful Jews abroad exploit Israel for the gain of the people they
>>work for. If these truths were exposed at least the issue would be
>>confronted and the wound could, at least, start to heal.
>>
>>Unlike the majority of Jews, I have no reason to respect people like
>>George Soros or Edgar Bronfman. They don't represent anyone other than
>>other powerbrokers. I offer no guilt for these people. They are
>>gangsters and like all other gangsters, they need to be punished. It
>>smears the entire Jewish people for these people to claim they are
>>"Jewish leaders."  I'm one Jew/Israeli who never voted for Bronfman
>>and object to his involvement in Jewish affairs and Israeli diplomacy.
>>Jews like Soros and Bronfman are a cancer in the body of the Jewish
>>people and to the state of Israel. I'm all for exposing these
>>criminals and letting them face justice. Perhaps that's the difference
>>between me and the rest of my fellow Jews: I don't care if we "wash
>>our dirty laundry in front of the goyim," we need to wash our dirty
>>laundry in front of ourselves.
>>
>>That, fellow conspiracy researchers, is where I end my apologies. I
>>don't believe there is a Jewish conspiracy or ever was. What happened
>>was that many rich and unscrupulous Jews throughout the past 300 years
>>were prepared to take the blame for the conspiracy in exchange for
>>power and influence. They believed that a little exploitation of your
>>fellow Jews wasn't such a high price to pay if it meant personal
>>advancement. Edgar Bronfman and George Soros were the Baruchs and
>>Warburgs of a generation ago. Nothing changes in the conspiracy. Jews
>>play in the game today as they did then. However I am not sure they
>>are in charge today anymore than they were then.
>>
>>Let's not forget that the Vatican, the French, German, and Italian
>>families, and the existing Monarchies in Europe, are still major
>>sources of political and economic power in the world. The Jews are
>>just one player in a game with many players. The only difference is
>>that the Jews and Israel ARE in the news and identifiable.  Thus it's
>>easy to point the finger at the Jews because they stand out due to
>>their economic strength.  The others remain hidden behind thrones and
>>Churches and a European tradition of secrecy. The Jews are featured in
>>the mainstream media while everything the Vatican and the others do
>>are held in secret so names are not recognizable.
>>
>>No fellow researchers, the Jews don't control the NWO. This conclusion
>>may not be accepted by the Spotlight crowd who are looking for the
>>simple answer and to them, it is just to blame the Jews for world
>>domination.  This is what the non-Jewish NWO players have planned and
>>executed as a cunning policy to keep their plan for a one-world
>>government secret: When it is threatened with exposure, get a few
>>stooges to "blame the Jews" then have a few other dupes point the
>>finger at the stooges and scream "anti-Semite."
>>
>>While the Spotlight crowd may not be capable of realizing how they are
>>being duped, I hope all other sincere conspiracy researchers begin to
>>question their basic contention that "the Rothschilds are behind the
>>conspiracy to dominate the world." While the Rothschilds may be
>>members of the team, they are far from being a one-man show.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Did Ukraine Allow JEW MAFIA to Control Media??
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On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:42:59 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:31:49 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>
>
>>>From: NSWPP-CSU 
>>>Subject: Jewish Mafia Controls Ukrainian Media
>
>>>======================================================
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>>>
>>>--------Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television----------
>>>
>>>According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, "TV Venture by
>>>Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions," Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>>>to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>>>millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>>>Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire--Central European Media
>>>Enterprises-- in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>The Jewish owned Central European Media controls television stations in
>>>seven East European countries in the region. Ukrainian TV is controlled by
>>>its subsidiary, the Studio 11 Group, its local partner in Kiev.
>>>
>>>Rabinovich is linked to Grigory Loutchansky, a Russian-Jew, whose company,
>>>Nordex, is believed to be a front for the Russian-Jewish mafia.
>>>
>>>The Times says, "Rabinovich was jailed from 1982 to 1990 for theft from
>>>the state. He said in an interview that he had been chief of a
>>>construction brigade and had sold goods to private customers. He said
>>>he had committed no real crime and had been persecuted for being Jewish.
>>>
>>>"...Central European Media sought to expand into Ukraine a year ago. At
>>>the outset, Fertig (its chief of operations) said, its representatives
>>>were referred to Rabinovich and his partners by a close adviser and 
>>>assistant to President Leonid Kuchma of Ukraine, who praised the Ukraine
>>>group. And when questions arose about the legality of the broadcast
>>>license  received by the joint venture, the same presidential adviser
>>>obtained a letter declaring that the license had been awarded properly.
>>>
>>>"...(C)oncerns about his business activities led the British government to
>>>bar Loutchansky from entering the country...An intelligence summary
>>>prepared by a Western government, and corroborated by senior U.S. 
>>>diplomats, said Ostex, one of Rabinovich's companies, had been created 
>>>as an arm of Nordex, a claim that Rabinovich disputed.
>>>
>>>"In the interview in his office in a modern building in Kiev, Rabinovich
>>>said he had worked with Nordex for about a year but had broken off the
>>>relationship two years ago because of bad publicity about Loutchansky. He
>>>said his companies, which are engaged in many businesses, had only
>>>legitimate interests...
>>>
>>>"Lauder, whose mother founded Estee Lauder Cosmetics, created Central
>>>European Media in 1994. He predicted last year that the company would have
>>>annual revenues of $1 billion within five years, but it has run up steady
>>>losses to date. The company reported last month that it lost $30 million
>>>in 1996 compared with losses of $18.7 million in 1995 and $20.5 
>>>million in 1994.
>>>
>>>"When the company sought to enter the Ukraine market a year ago, Fertig
>>>said, its executives were referred to Rabinovich and his partners in
>>>Studio 11 by Oleksandra Volkov, an assistant and close adviser to Kuchma.
>>>Western diplomats and businessmen said Volkov also owned a piece of 
>>>Studio 11, but Fertig said he was unaware of that investment.
>>>
>>>"Along with the recommendation from the presidential adviser, the company
>>>executives also were impressed by a photograph in Rabinovich's office that
>>>showed him with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, according to
>>>a person close to the company.
>>>
>>>"The photograph was taken in late 1995 at a Democratic fund-raising party
>>>in Miami, Rabinovich said. He said he had not donated money to the
>>>Democrats but had been invited to the event by Bennett LeBow, an American
>>>businessman whose interests include Liggett Group, the big cigarette
>>>manufacturer.
>>>
>>>"...Last summer Central European Media negotiated a partnership agreement
>>>with Studio 11 Group that gave the American company a 50 percent
>>>economic interest in the operation, which was broadcasting about five
>>>hours a day on Ukrainian television.
>>>
>>>"Studio 11 received a license last fall to expand its broadcast time on
>>>Ukraine's commercial channel, UT 2, to nine hours a day, including prime
>>>time. The license, also sought by other companies, was issued despite a
>>>moratorium imposed by Parliament.
>>>
>>>"...The Ukraine deal is important to Central European Media. In a stock
>>>offering last fall, which raised $132 million, the company said the
>>>Ukraine partnership had more than doubled its market reach.
>>>
>>>"A cablegram from the embassy to the State Department in Washington in
>>>September raised questions about Rabinovich's background and said he was
>>>'largely considered beyond the reach of the law in Ukraine,' according to
>>>a copy provided to The New York Times." (End quote).
>>>
>>>Once again we see the worldwide Media Monopoly extend its suzerainty
>>>thanks to their Money Power and the betrayal of the people by the Pres. of
>>>Ukraine and other Judases.
>sven88



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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims made
>here.      
>
>
>1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>
>        None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>individual "survivors", and no "survivor" claims actually to have
>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>demographic statistics.
>
>        On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>
>
>        2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>WORLD
>WAR TWO?
>
>        Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>race or national origin alone.
>
>
>        3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>
>        Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>internment once the war broke out.
>
>        On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German "death camps" were
>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>been fully justified.
>
>
>        4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>
>        Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>
>
>        5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>        
>        Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted. 
>
>        En passant, the brief lifespan of the "Dachau death camp"
>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum. 
>
>
>        6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>
>        No. The "gas chamber" exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz "gas chamber" for chemical
>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.        
>
>
>        7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN'T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>
>        It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>
>
>        8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>
>        Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>commonly used and available today.
>
>
>        9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>
>        Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>Hoess' blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>cross examined.
>
>
>        10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>
>        About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>only are employed.
>
>
>        11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>
>        It can't be explained, because it could not have happened like
>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>
>
>        12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN'T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>        
>        Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>million figure as well. 
>
>
>        13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>NOT KNOW?
>
>        Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>all during the war that such an event was occurring. 
>
>
>        14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>DURING THE WAR?
>
>        About 300,000.
>
>
>        15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>
>        Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>
>
>        16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>DIED?
>
>        5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a "Holocaust".
>
>
>        17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" SAY THEY SAW
>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>
>        A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that's for sure.        
>
>
>        18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>
>        No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>other way in open pits. The Holocaust "experts" who claim otherwise are
>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>
>
>        19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>
>        About two hours.
>
>
>        20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>
>        To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>typhus and other diseases.
>
>
>        21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>
>        About 430,600.
>
>
>        22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>
>        No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>when in heavy operation.
>        
>
>        23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>CORPSE?
>        
>        After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>
>
>        24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>
>        That remains to be "explained". Six million bodies would
>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>anywhere else in Europe.
>
>
>        25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>
>        No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>burned.
>
>
>        26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>WHOLE "HOLOCAUST" ISSUE?
>
>        A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust. 
>
>        Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war's end, the
>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>claiming that the Red Cross was "full of Nazi sympathizers". This
>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>        
>
>        27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>
>        Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>published text. 
>
>        In 1950 Anne Frank's father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>repeated attempts by scholars to view it. 
>
>        28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>
>        Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a "Nazi SS
>man" about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine. 
>
>        (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>be perpetrated by Holocaust "experts" is not surprising in view of the
>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin's butcheries
>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay's
>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>
>
>        29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>        
>        Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>        
>
>        30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>
>        None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>Zip. Nada. 
>
>
>        31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>DURING THE WAR?
>
>        Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>to silence him.
>
>
>        32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>
>        Slightly less than four million.
>
>
>        33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>NAZIS?
>
>        Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>kill them.
>
>
>        34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN'T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>
>        After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>they are all accounted for.
>
>        35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>TODAY?
>
>        It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>sums of "guilt money", especially from the German government. It
>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>billion dollars in assorted "Holocaust reparations" and the ante is
>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>
>
>        36. ARE FILMS LIKE "HOLOCAUST", "SCHINDLER'S LIST", AND "THE
>WINDS OF WAR" DOCUMENTARIES?
>
>        Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>creative and financial sectors of film making. 
>
>        Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg's
>production of "Schindler's List" was sanitized to the point of being
>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>
>
>        37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>        Over 100, with more in the works.
>
>
>        38. BUT AREN'T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>
>        Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>
>
>        39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>        A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>from many of the postings to Nizkor's Internet playgroups that they
>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>
>        The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned. 
>
>        Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>Revisionist bookseller's offices were burned, and in Toronto
>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel's home was almost destroyed in an arson
>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>prison and torture in Germany. 
>
>        An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the "crime" of writing
>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>only after an international outcry. Schmidt's "crime" was writing a
>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>been imprisoned so many times he's lost count. Revisionists have been
>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>
>        THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people's
>country, and then to slaughter that country's original inhabitants at
>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>       
>
>        40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>REVISIONISTS?
>
>        No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>
>
>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>ihrgreg@kaiwan.com - W.S.
>
>
>        
>***********************************************************************
>********
>
>        "This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle
>of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker
>Yockey, IMPERIUM



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Dr.Mahathir, the President of Malaysia seemed to not only know about
what he spoke, but documented his findings most adequately.

It seems that the Jew irgun doesn't even remember that the Jew now
calling himself Soros was one of the key people responsible for the
massive devaluation of S.E.Asian currencies last year, caused by
speculators!!!

Mind you, since Malaysia is also a supporter of Islam, perhaps Dr.
Mahathir could also have been referring to the Q'Ana massacre where
the Israelis murdered not only innocent civilians, but even killed UN
troops??

Perhaps critics and supporters should detail which part of the
original article they are discussing.

Ad hominem comments add nothing to considered discussion.

On 9 Oct 1997 01:39:04 GMT, dh435@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kenneth Tan)
wrote:

>I applaud Mahathir's bold stand against the money speculators
>and abusive foreign press. He is the only man in Asia brave
>enough to show the world how smaller countries are victimised
>by these people backed by their powerful western countries.

>MIGHT MAKES RIGHT is what these western countries believe in.
>As long as you have the muscle, anything you do is right.
>They can suck 40 years for blood and sweat out of Malaysia's
>economy within a week. They call it "free-market" just because
>they make laws that allow them to do it. Anybody with any
>conscience can see this is totally immoral, except the western
>powers where their laws make it totally moral and laudable.

>MIGHT MAKES RIGHT is how the western powers make laws to let
>them do anything they want with a happy conscience. Only now
>has anyone tried to stand up to them, and that man is Mahathir.
>Sure the western blood suckers can use their laws and their
>stolen money to punish Mahathir and Malaysia, but what Mahathir
>is doing is the only way to bring conscience to the world. Make
>the rest of the world see how unscruplous these western powers
>are.

>Give your support to Mahathir, let him know he is not fighting
>the battle alone. The blood sucking western powers can bleed
>Malaysia dry, but they cannot kill the spirit of the people. 
>kt




On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:52:34 -0700, irgun43@mail.earthlink.net wrote:

>omerta@casanostra.com wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps this previous article should be further discussed??
>> 
>> PM Mahathir at least is not afraid of International Jewry!!
>> 
>  
>   The above was posted by a racist.
>   The Malysian Prime Minister wouldn't know aN Israeli or Jew even if
>one bit him in the ass. It is this type of ignorance, this type of easy
>hateful propaganda that has kept Malysia backward. 
>   Forward Malaysia to the 11th century!
>                         irgun43



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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:39:30 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:39:30 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:39:30 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:59:16 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>The attached article is from deja News, and surely deserves further
>discussion??
>
>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org
>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
>	
>>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
>
>>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:         
>        
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>         
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."       
>         
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government."         
>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>Moisei Uritsky. 
>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>
>>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." 
>
>>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>
>>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon. 
>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>were Jews. 
>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it." 
>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>
>>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>4, 1919) 
>	
>>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>
>>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>  
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People 
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>                http://www.natall.com  
>>                http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>     Roger's Page  http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>>      Keep It White Because You Know It's Right!
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Was PAMYAT, and Zhirinovsky correct, then??



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On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:42:59 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:31:49 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>
>
>>>From: NSWPP-CSU 
>>>Subject: Jewish Mafia Controls Ukrainian Media
>
>>>======================================================
>>>       THE CAMPAIGN FOR RADICAL TRUTH IN HISTORY
>>>   Visit our News Bureau, Archives and Bookstore at
>>>              http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>=====================================================
>>>
>>>--------Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television----------
>>>
>>>According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, "TV Venture by
>>>Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions," Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>>>to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>>>millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>>>Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire--Central European Media
>>>Enterprises-- in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>The Jewish owned Central European Media controls television stations in
>>>seven East European countries in the region. Ukrainian TV is controlled by
>>>its subsidiary, the Studio 11 Group, its local partner in Kiev.
>>>
>>>Rabinovich is linked to Grigory Loutchansky, a Russian-Jew, whose company,
>>>Nordex, is believed to be a front for the Russian-Jewish mafia.
>>>
>>>The Times says, "Rabinovich was jailed from 1982 to 1990 for theft from
>>>the state. He said in an interview that he had been chief of a
>>>construction brigade and had sold goods to private customers. He said
>>>he had committed no real crime and had been persecuted for being Jewish.
>>>
>>>"...Central European Media sought to expand into Ukraine a year ago. At
>>>the outset, Fertig (its chief of operations) said, its representatives
>>>were referred to Rabinovich and his partners by a close adviser and 
>>>assistant to President Leonid Kuchma of Ukraine, who praised the Ukraine
>>>group. And when questions arose about the legality of the broadcast
>>>license  received by the joint venture, the same presidential adviser
>>>obtained a letter declaring that the license had been awarded properly.
>>>
>>>"...(C)oncerns about his business activities led the British government to
>>>bar Loutchansky from entering the country...An intelligence summary
>>>prepared by a Western government, and corroborated by senior U.S. 
>>>diplomats, said Ostex, one of Rabinovich's companies, had been created 
>>>as an arm of Nordex, a claim that Rabinovich disputed.
>>>
>>>"In the interview in his office in a modern building in Kiev, Rabinovich
>>>said he had worked with Nordex for about a year but had broken off the
>>>relationship two years ago because of bad publicity about Loutchansky. He
>>>said his companies, which are engaged in many businesses, had only
>>>legitimate interests...
>>>
>>>"Lauder, whose mother founded Estee Lauder Cosmetics, created Central
>>>European Media in 1994. He predicted last year that the company would have
>>>annual revenues of $1 billion within five years, but it has run up steady
>>>losses to date. The company reported last month that it lost $30 million
>>>in 1996 compared with losses of $18.7 million in 1995 and $20.5 
>>>million in 1994.
>>>
>>>"When the company sought to enter the Ukraine market a year ago, Fertig
>>>said, its executives were referred to Rabinovich and his partners in
>>>Studio 11 by Oleksandra Volkov, an assistant and close adviser to Kuchma.
>>>Western diplomats and businessmen said Volkov also owned a piece of 
>>>Studio 11, but Fertig said he was unaware of that investment.
>>>
>>>"Along with the recommendation from the presidential adviser, the company
>>>executives also were impressed by a photograph in Rabinovich's office that
>>>showed him with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, according to
>>>a person close to the company.
>>>
>>>"The photograph was taken in late 1995 at a Democratic fund-raising party
>>>in Miami, Rabinovich said. He said he had not donated money to the
>>>Democrats but had been invited to the event by Bennett LeBow, an American
>>>businessman whose interests include Liggett Group, the big cigarette
>>>manufacturer.
>>>
>>>"...Last summer Central European Media negotiated a partnership agreement
>>>with Studio 11 Group that gave the American company a 50 percent
>>>economic interest in the operation, which was broadcasting about five
>>>hours a day on Ukrainian television.
>>>
>>>"Studio 11 received a license last fall to expand its broadcast time on
>>>Ukraine's commercial channel, UT 2, to nine hours a day, including prime
>>>time. The license, also sought by other companies, was issued despite a
>>>moratorium imposed by Parliament.
>>>
>>>"...The Ukraine deal is important to Central European Media. In a stock
>>>offering last fall, which raised $132 million, the company said the
>>>Ukraine partnership had more than doubled its market reach.
>>>
>>>"A cablegram from the embassy to the State Department in Washington in
>>>September raised questions about Rabinovich's background and said he was
>>>'largely considered beyond the reach of the law in Ukraine,' according to
>>>a copy provided to The New York Times." (End quote).
>>>
>>>Once again we see the worldwide Media Monopoly extend its suzerainty
>>>thanks to their Money Power and the betrayal of the people by the Pres. of
>>>Ukraine and other Judases.
>sven88



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:15:20 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:03:43 GMT, asumat@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>ARE THE ROTHSCHILD BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY?
>>By: Efraim Menashe
>>
>>
>>Jerusalem, Israel--It isn't easy being a conspiracy researcher- let
>>alone a Jewish conspiracy researcher- when so many Jews are involved
>>in political intrigue and world domination. This is a fact any
>>objective thinker must conclude- whether the researcher is a Jew or
>>not. As a Jew, the decision is harder to accept.
>>
>>But I guess I am an objective thinker before I am a Jew, and for that
>>reason I am prepared to publicly admit to all who are reading that
>>indeed, there is a conspiracy to control and dominate the world, and
>>that many, many Jews play, and have played a role, in that conspiracy.
>>For this is not speculation, it is fact. The names are well known to
>>all:  Rothschild, Warburg, George Soros, Henry Kissinger, the
>>Bronfmans, Jacob Shiff, Bernard Baruch, Judah Benjamin, etc. However,
>>one must remember that included in the conspiracy are also the
>>Rockefellers, J.P. Morgan, Cecil Rhodes, the British Royal Family, the
>>Vatican, the French and Italian members of the "NWO planning
>>committee." Most of the players in the NWO arena are not Jews, if all
>>the members are included.
>>
>>The problem is that for some reason only the Rothschilds are
>>associated with being behind the creation of "the Illuminati." All the
>>conspiracy literature points the sole finger at this family for
>>creating the Illuminati and causing revolutions in France, Russia, the
>>US, the murder of Lincoln, the creation of the Federal Reserve, the
>>crash of l929, the Bank of England, two World Wars: in fact,
>>everything that supposedly happens in the NWO is carried out via
>>"agents of Rothschild." It is quite amazing how every conspiracy
>>researcher whether it is Tex Marrs, David Icke, Guradas, Ralph
>>Epperson, Eustice Mullins, John Coleman, it doesn't matter from which
>>perspective they came to understand the grand conspiracy, they all
>>agree on one thing that is that the "Rothschilds who are behind
>>everything."
>>
>>The Schiffs, the Warburgs, Bernard Baruch, are said to be "agents of
>>Rothschilds" but this may only mean that no other higher chain of
>>command has been identified. None of these so-called agents ever
>>admitted to being an agent, nor do we really know if they were. The
>>way the conspiracy is described in the revisionist view of history, it
>>is just assumed that they are, as it is assumed that the Rothschilds
>>are behind the creation of the Illuminati. I have yet to see any proof
>>that this is the case. I am not suggesting that the Rothschilds are
>>not players in the NWO, only that they are far from being the only
>>ones and it has never been shown by any conspiracy researcher that
>>they are indeed, "Chairmen of the Board."
>>
>>It is possible that the Rothschilds agreed to have all the blame
>>placed on them so there would be an outlet for those observant people
>>who discovered the conspiracy. The family appears to have accepted
>>that they would be blamed for the conspiracy and this would cause an
>>increase in anti-semitism. The Rothschilds may have gone along with
>>this in order to gain more power in the circle of powerbrokers.
>>
>>It doesn't seem to occur to the the Rothschilds' accusers that the
>>likelihood of so much power being accumulated by one family is
>>infinitely remote. What is never asked is "What was so special about
>>the policies of the Rothschilds?"  So they lent money to kings.
>>Couldn't other rich people do that? How come no king ever tried to
>>kill one of them to get rid of his debt? There is no recorded event
>>anywhere of any type of opposition to Rothschilds' evil practices. Why
>>not? the Knights Templer made enemies and were defeated by their
>>enemies. How come the Rothschilds had no enemies who took revenge?
>>How is it possible that a family dynasty can attain such power and
>>wealth and yet have no enemies?
>>
>>Another question which needs to be answered is: "Did the Rothschilds
>>run the Illuminati on their own?" Did they alone create all the
>>intrigue and figure out all the plots and carry out the plans to cause
>>the revolutions and wars?
>>
>>The running of the conspiracy is so complex, it defies all logic to
>>suggest that it can be managed by just only one family. They must have
>>had promoters and advocates who were prepared to go along with them.
>>Yet there isn't one recorded event of a rebellion by the people who
>>were following them or any other powerbroker competing for the top
>>spot. The so-called Rothschilds' agents, Schiff, Benjamin, Warburg,
>>Baruch, all went along without any challenge Rothschilds' leadership.
>>Why? Since when has such power entrenched in one family not met with
>>opposition?
>>
>>If the conspiracy theory that the Rothschilds with the Illuminati
>>created the French revolution is true, and that the War of 1812, the
>>Civil War, murder of Abraham Lincoln, the Russian revolution, the
>>Russian-Japan war were Rothschild inspired, how is it that hrough all
>>of these years the family was able to keep themselves so completely
>>hidden from the public and free of blame? Why are they so untouchable?
>>Perhaps the near "supermen" status many conspiracy researchers give
>>the Rothschilds needs to be reevaluated. It simply isn't possible for
>>one family to be so powerful over a period of 200 years and for one
>>family to control everything the way conspiracy researchers present
>>it.
>>
>>I am prepared to buy that the Rothschilds from their beginnings are
>>one of the world's lowest form of lifes and responsible for the death
>>of hundreds of millions of people, Jews included. They may even be a
>>devil worshipers.  The entire family is a shame to the Jewish people.
>>They have no love for the Jewish people and they have caused much
>>hardship for their brethren.  So they are criminals but they are just
>>one powerful family out of many.  Why are they being singled out as
>>sitting on top of the heap? Who are all the others that we don't hear
>>about?
>>
>>How could one family have become so powerful that even the Kings of
>>Europe they were lending money to never tried to eliminate the debt by
>>eliminating the moneylender? Certainly these heads of state had the
>>means, militarily and in other ways, to handle the Rothschilds in
>>order not to have to repay debts. However no proof exists anywhere to
>>prove that the Rothschilds were behind the creation of the Illuminati.
>>
>>My point is that they may have been involved in the affair, but they
>>aren't the sole architects of the conspiracy.
>>
>>Fellow conspiracy researchers: there is no Jewish conspiracy. There
>>are plenty of Jews wrapped up in the quest for a NWO, but to ascribe
>>the entire agenda to a small group of Jews, is plainly wrong. The
>>anti-Semites like to point out "how powerful the Jews are", but are
>>the Jews as a people so powerful or is a tiny group of Jews dominating
>>the power?
>>
>>Are these Jews really the ones in charge of the entire agenda to
>>enslave the world? Hardly. The notion that there is a cabal of Jews
>>who sit together once a year and decide how to control the world, and
>>they do this on behalf of some Jewish entity, or Israel, is what we
>>are asked to believe. If such a cabal exists, and the anti-Semites say
>>it has existed for centuries, then where is one recorded historical
>>event of a group of Jews assembling to plan their control over the
>>world? There is no proof anywhere showing that The Protocols of Zion
>>was describing a group of Jews intent on dominating the world so they,
>>the Jews, would be kings. Indeed the protocols was probably an
>>accurate description of a group of people bent on world domination.
>>There may have been some Jews sitting at the table. I believe that. I
>>just don't believe that the majority were Jews.  If not, then who are
>>the others? Who sits at that table other than the selected Jewish
>>powerbrokers?
>>
>>There are Jews involved in the conspiracy to subject the world to a
>>one-world government, no question of that, yet none of them are
>>representing any Jews other than themselves. We know the Jewish masses
>>are wonderful, hardworking educated people. The select few who are
>>rich and are powerbrokers are a disgrace and should be exposed. How
>>Israel's leadership has been thoroughly compromised and corrupted by
>>the international Jewish powerbrokers should also be exposed. Rich,
>>powerful Jews abroad exploit Israel for the gain of the people they
>>work for. If these truths were exposed at least the issue would be
>>confronted and the wound could, at least, start to heal.
>>
>>Unlike the majority of Jews, I have no reason to respect people like
>>George Soros or Edgar Bronfman. They don't represent anyone other than
>>other powerbrokers. I offer no guilt for these people. They are
>>gangsters and like all other gangsters, they need to be punished. It
>>smears the entire Jewish people for these people to claim they are
>>"Jewish leaders."  I'm one Jew/Israeli who never voted for Bronfman
>>and object to his involvement in Jewish affairs and Israeli diplomacy.
>>Jews like Soros and Bronfman are a cancer in the body of the Jewish
>>people and to the state of Israel. I'm all for exposing these
>>criminals and letting them face justice. Perhaps that's the difference
>>between me and the rest of my fellow Jews: I don't care if we "wash
>>our dirty laundry in front of the goyim," we need to wash our dirty
>>laundry in front of ourselves.
>>
>>That, fellow conspiracy researchers, is where I end my apologies. I
>>don't believe there is a Jewish conspiracy or ever was. What happened
>>was that many rich and unscrupulous Jews throughout the past 300 years
>>were prepared to take the blame for the conspiracy in exchange for
>>power and influence. They believed that a little exploitation of your
>>fellow Jews wasn't such a high price to pay if it meant personal
>>advancement. Edgar Bronfman and George Soros were the Baruchs and
>>Warburgs of a generation ago. Nothing changes in the conspiracy. Jews
>>play in the game today as they did then. However I am not sure they
>>are in charge today anymore than they were then.
>>
>>Let's not forget that the Vatican, the French, German, and Italian
>>families, and the existing Monarchies in Europe, are still major
>>sources of political and economic power in the world. The Jews are
>>just one player in a game with many players. The only difference is
>>that the Jews and Israel ARE in the news and identifiable.  Thus it's
>>easy to point the finger at the Jews because they stand out due to
>>their economic strength.  The others remain hidden behind thrones and
>>Churches and a European tradition of secrecy. The Jews are featured in
>>the mainstream media while everything the Vatican and the others do
>>are held in secret so names are not recognizable.
>>
>>No fellow researchers, the Jews don't control the NWO. This conclusion
>>may not be accepted by the Spotlight crowd who are looking for the
>>simple answer and to them, it is just to blame the Jews for world
>>domination.  This is what the non-Jewish NWO players have planned and
>>executed as a cunning policy to keep their plan for a one-world
>>government secret: When it is threatened with exposure, get a few
>>stooges to "blame the Jews" then have a few other dupes point the
>>finger at the stooges and scream "anti-Semite."
>>
>>While the Spotlight crowd may not be capable of realizing how they are
>>being duped, I hope all other sincere conspiracy researchers begin to
>>question their basic contention that "the Rothschilds are behind the
>>conspiracy to dominate the world." While the Rothschilds may be
>>members of the team, they are far from being a one-man show.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:06:50 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>And don't forget the roles of the cursed Christkillers - the damned
>JEWS - in the spread of Communism, and their involvement in the murder
>of more than 100 millions in this century!!!
>
>From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>Bantam  #13084-6  says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
>anti-Semitic prejudices  of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>and activating their  accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>harnessed the violent  energies of these willing collaborates to round
>up and kill Jews."
>
>I now ask: "How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>Soviets, if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>was a Jewish  conceived and run totalitarian state! 
>
>"Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a conspicuous
>part in the revolution of November, 1917,  which enabled the
>Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew.
>Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
>Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian 
>Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however, 
>are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial
>antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were 
>largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist
>movement was well understood in Russia. "The White Armies which
>opposed the Bolsehvik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks 
>as common enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc.,  Vol. I, p. 336).
>
>The Ukrainians were part of the White Army (Gentile) that
>opposed the Red Army (loyal to Jewish Commissariats).
>
>
>
>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:41:29 -0000, "ANAS  JZAYRLI"
> wrote:
>
>>Since the times of Moses the Jews were oppressors or usurers, all the talent
>>of Jews Is concentrated on predatory acts...They have a creed which blesses
>>their thieving and misdeeds, they are real liars and bloodhounds, who have
>>not only perverted and  alsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end
>>and without ceasing with their interpretations.
>>And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hope of their hearts is directed
>>to the time when some day they would like to deal with us as they dealt with
>>the heathen in Persia  at the time of Esther... O how they love that Book of
>>Esther, which is so suitable to their bloodthirsty revengeful,  murderous
>>appetite and hopes ! The sun has never shown on such a bloodthirsty and
>>revengeful people, who fancy themselves to be the chosen  people so they can
>>murder and strangle the heathen. No people under the sun is more greedy than
>>they are than they have been and always will be, as one can see from their
>>accursed usury. They console themselves that when their Messiah comes, he
>>will collect all the gold and silver in the world and divide it amongst
>>them.
>>Since childhood they have devoured such poisonous hatred against the Goyim
>>from  their parents and rabbis, and still devour such without ceasing, that
>>flesh and blood, bone and marrow, and has become their life and being. And
>>as little as they can alter flesh and blood, bone and marrow, so little can
>>they change such pride and envy, they just have to stay that way and be
>>ruined, if God does not perform a special miracle.
>>
>>"The Jews are locusts or caterpillars which are devouring France." Sayings
>>often repeated by Napoleon Bonaparte, quoted in Cherep-Spiridovich's
>>THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT, page 87.
>>
>>
>>
>>



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:15:20 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:03:43 GMT, asumat@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>ARE THE ROTHSCHILD BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY?
>>By: Efraim Menashe
>>
>>
>>Jerusalem, Israel--It isn't easy being a conspiracy researcher- let
>>alone a Jewish conspiracy researcher- when so many Jews are involved
>>in political intrigue and world domination. This is a fact any
>>objective thinker must conclude- whether the researcher is a Jew or
>>not. As a Jew, the decision is harder to accept.
>>
>>But I guess I am an objective thinker before I am a Jew, and for that
>>reason I am prepared to publicly admit to all who are reading that
>>indeed, there is a conspiracy to control and dominate the world, and
>>that many, many Jews play, and have played a role, in that conspiracy.
>>For this is not speculation, it is fact. The names are well known to
>>all:  Rothschild, Warburg, George Soros, Henry Kissinger, the
>>Bronfmans, Jacob Shiff, Bernard Baruch, Judah Benjamin, etc. However,
>>one must remember that included in the conspiracy are also the
>>Rockefellers, J.P. Morgan, Cecil Rhodes, the British Royal Family, the
>>Vatican, the French and Italian members of the "NWO planning
>>committee." Most of the players in the NWO arena are not Jews, if all
>>the members are included.
>>
>>The problem is that for some reason only the Rothschilds are
>>associated with being behind the creation of "the Illuminati." All the
>>conspiracy literature points the sole finger at this family for
>>creating the Illuminati and causing revolutions in France, Russia, the
>>US, the murder of Lincoln, the creation of the Federal Reserve, the
>>crash of l929, the Bank of England, two World Wars: in fact,
>>everything that supposedly happens in the NWO is carried out via
>>"agents of Rothschild." It is quite amazing how every conspiracy
>>researcher whether it is Tex Marrs, David Icke, Guradas, Ralph
>>Epperson, Eustice Mullins, John Coleman, it doesn't matter from which
>>perspective they came to understand the grand conspiracy, they all
>>agree on one thing that is that the "Rothschilds who are behind
>>everything."
>>
>>The Schiffs, the Warburgs, Bernard Baruch, are said to be "agents of
>>Rothschilds" but this may only mean that no other higher chain of
>>command has been identified. None of these so-called agents ever
>>admitted to being an agent, nor do we really know if they were. The
>>way the conspiracy is described in the revisionist view of history, it
>>is just assumed that they are, as it is assumed that the Rothschilds
>>are behind the creation of the Illuminati. I have yet to see any proof
>>that this is the case. I am not suggesting that the Rothschilds are
>>not players in the NWO, only that they are far from being the only
>>ones and it has never been shown by any conspiracy researcher that
>>they are indeed, "Chairmen of the Board."
>>
>>It is possible that the Rothschilds agreed to have all the blame
>>placed on them so there would be an outlet for those observant people
>>who discovered the conspiracy. The family appears to have accepted
>>that they would be blamed for the conspiracy and this would cause an
>>increase in anti-semitism. The Rothschilds may have gone along with
>>this in order to gain more power in the circle of powerbrokers.
>>
>>It doesn't seem to occur to the the Rothschilds' accusers that the
>>likelihood of so much power being accumulated by one family is
>>infinitely remote. What is never asked is "What was so special about
>>the policies of the Rothschilds?"  So they lent money to kings.
>>Couldn't other rich people do that? How come no king ever tried to
>>kill one of them to get rid of his debt? There is no recorded event
>>anywhere of any type of opposition to Rothschilds' evil practices. Why
>>not? the Knights Templer made enemies and were defeated by their
>>enemies. How come the Rothschilds had no enemies who took revenge?
>>How is it possible that a family dynasty can attain such power and
>>wealth and yet have no enemies?
>>
>>Another question which needs to be answered is: "Did the Rothschilds
>>run the Illuminati on their own?" Did they alone create all the
>>intrigue and figure out all the plots and carry out the plans to cause
>>the revolutions and wars?
>>
>>The running of the conspiracy is so complex, it defies all logic to
>>suggest that it can be managed by just only one family. They must have
>>had promoters and advocates who were prepared to go along with them.
>>Yet there isn't one recorded event of a rebellion by the people who
>>were following them or any other powerbroker competing for the top
>>spot. The so-called Rothschilds' agents, Schiff, Benjamin, Warburg,
>>Baruch, all went along without any challenge Rothschilds' leadership.
>>Why? Since when has such power entrenched in one family not met with
>>opposition?
>>
>>If the conspiracy theory that the Rothschilds with the Illuminati
>>created the French revolution is true, and that the War of 1812, the
>>Civil War, murder of Abraham Lincoln, the Russian revolution, the
>>Russian-Japan war were Rothschild inspired, how is it that hrough all
>>of these years the family was able to keep themselves so completely
>>hidden from the public and free of blame? Why are they so untouchable?
>>Perhaps the near "supermen" status many conspiracy researchers give
>>the Rothschilds needs to be reevaluated. It simply isn't possible for
>>one family to be so powerful over a period of 200 years and for one
>>family to control everything the way conspiracy researchers present
>>it.
>>
>>I am prepared to buy that the Rothschilds from their beginnings are
>>one of the world's lowest form of lifes and responsible for the death
>>of hundreds of millions of people, Jews included. They may even be a
>>devil worshipers.  The entire family is a shame to the Jewish people.
>>They have no love for the Jewish people and they have caused much
>>hardship for their brethren.  So they are criminals but they are just
>>one powerful family out of many.  Why are they being singled out as
>>sitting on top of the heap? Who are all the others that we don't hear
>>about?
>>
>>How could one family have become so powerful that even the Kings of
>>Europe they were lending money to never tried to eliminate the debt by
>>eliminating the moneylender? Certainly these heads of state had the
>>means, militarily and in other ways, to handle the Rothschilds in
>>order not to have to repay debts. However no proof exists anywhere to
>>prove that the Rothschilds were behind the creation of the Illuminati.
>>
>>My point is that they may have been involved in the affair, but they
>>aren't the sole architects of the conspiracy.
>>
>>Fellow conspiracy researchers: there is no Jewish conspiracy. There
>>are plenty of Jews wrapped up in the quest for a NWO, but to ascribe
>>the entire agenda to a small group of Jews, is plainly wrong. The
>>anti-Semites like to point out "how powerful the Jews are", but are
>>the Jews as a people so powerful or is a tiny group of Jews dominating
>>the power?
>>
>>Are these Jews really the ones in charge of the entire agenda to
>>enslave the world? Hardly. The notion that there is a cabal of Jews
>>who sit together once a year and decide how to control the world, and
>>they do this on behalf of some Jewish entity, or Israel, is what we
>>are asked to believe. If such a cabal exists, and the anti-Semites say
>>it has existed for centuries, then where is one recorded historical
>>event of a group of Jews assembling to plan their control over the
>>world? There is no proof anywhere showing that The Protocols of Zion
>>was describing a group of Jews intent on dominating the world so they,
>>the Jews, would be kings. Indeed the protocols was probably an
>>accurate description of a group of people bent on world domination.
>>There may have been some Jews sitting at the table. I believe that. I
>>just don't believe that the majority were Jews.  If not, then who are
>>the others? Who sits at that table other than the selected Jewish
>>powerbrokers?
>>
>>There are Jews involved in the conspiracy to subject the world to a
>>one-world government, no question of that, yet none of them are
>>representing any Jews other than themselves. We know the Jewish masses
>>are wonderful, hardworking educated people. The select few who are
>>rich and are powerbrokers are a disgrace and should be exposed. How
>>Israel's leadership has been thoroughly compromised and corrupted by
>>the international Jewish powerbrokers should also be exposed. Rich,
>>powerful Jews abroad exploit Israel for the gain of the people they
>>work for. If these truths were exposed at least the issue would be
>>confronted and the wound could, at least, start to heal.
>>
>>Unlike the majority of Jews, I have no reason to respect people like
>>George Soros or Edgar Bronfman. They don't represent anyone other than
>>other powerbrokers. I offer no guilt for these people. They are
>>gangsters and like all other gangsters, they need to be punished. It
>>smears the entire Jewish people for these people to claim they are
>>"Jewish leaders."  I'm one Jew/Israeli who never voted for Bronfman
>>and object to his involvement in Jewish affairs and Israeli diplomacy.
>>Jews like Soros and Bronfman are a cancer in the body of the Jewish
>>people and to the state of Israel. I'm all for exposing these
>>criminals and letting them face justice. Perhaps that's the difference
>>between me and the rest of my fellow Jews: I don't care if we "wash
>>our dirty laundry in front of the goyim," we need to wash our dirty
>>laundry in front of ourselves.
>>
>>That, fellow conspiracy researchers, is where I end my apologies. I
>>don't believe there is a Jewish conspiracy or ever was. What happened
>>was that many rich and unscrupulous Jews throughout the past 300 years
>>were prepared to take the blame for the conspiracy in exchange for
>>power and influence. They believed that a little exploitation of your
>>fellow Jews wasn't such a high price to pay if it meant personal
>>advancement. Edgar Bronfman and George Soros were the Baruchs and
>>Warburgs of a generation ago. Nothing changes in the conspiracy. Jews
>>play in the game today as they did then. However I am not sure they
>>are in charge today anymore than they were then.
>>
>>Let's not forget that the Vatican, the French, German, and Italian
>>families, and the existing Monarchies in Europe, are still major
>>sources of political and economic power in the world. The Jews are
>>just one player in a game with many players. The only difference is
>>that the Jews and Israel ARE in the news and identifiable.  Thus it's
>>easy to point the finger at the Jews because they stand out due to
>>their economic strength.  The others remain hidden behind thrones and
>>Churches and a European tradition of secrecy. The Jews are featured in
>>the mainstream media while everything the Vatican and the others do
>>are held in secret so names are not recognizable.
>>
>>No fellow researchers, the Jews don't control the NWO. This conclusion
>>may not be accepted by the Spotlight crowd who are looking for the
>>simple answer and to them, it is just to blame the Jews for world
>>domination.  This is what the non-Jewish NWO players have planned and
>>executed as a cunning policy to keep their plan for a one-world
>>government secret: When it is threatened with exposure, get a few
>>stooges to "blame the Jews" then have a few other dupes point the
>>finger at the stooges and scream "anti-Semite."
>>
>>While the Spotlight crowd may not be capable of realizing how they are
>>being duped, I hope all other sincere conspiracy researchers begin to
>>question their basic contention that "the Rothschilds are behind the
>>conspiracy to dominate the world." While the Rothschilds may be
>>members of the team, they are far from being a one-man show.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:42:59 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:31:49 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>
>
>>>From: NSWPP-CSU 
>>>Subject: Jewish Mafia Controls Ukrainian Media
>
>>>======================================================
>>>       THE CAMPAIGN FOR RADICAL TRUTH IN HISTORY
>>>   Visit our News Bureau, Archives and Bookstore at
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>>>--------Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television----------
>>>
>>>According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, "TV Venture by
>>>Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions," Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>>>to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>>>millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>>>Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire--Central European Media
>>>Enterprises-- in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>The Jewish owned Central European Media controls television stations in
>>>seven East European countries in the region. Ukrainian TV is controlled by
>>>its subsidiary, the Studio 11 Group, its local partner in Kiev.
>>>
>>>Rabinovich is linked to Grigory Loutchansky, a Russian-Jew, whose company,
>>>Nordex, is believed to be a front for the Russian-Jewish mafia.
>>>
>>>The Times says, "Rabinovich was jailed from 1982 to 1990 for theft from
>>>the state. He said in an interview that he had been chief of a
>>>construction brigade and had sold goods to private customers. He said
>>>he had committed no real crime and had been persecuted for being Jewish.
>>>
>>>"...Central European Media sought to expand into Ukraine a year ago. At
>>>the outset, Fertig (its chief of operations) said, its representatives
>>>were referred to Rabinovich and his partners by a close adviser and 
>>>assistant to President Leonid Kuchma of Ukraine, who praised the Ukraine
>>>group. And when questions arose about the legality of the broadcast
>>>license  received by the joint venture, the same presidential adviser
>>>obtained a letter declaring that the license had been awarded properly.
>>>
>>>"...(C)oncerns about his business activities led the British government to
>>>bar Loutchansky from entering the country...An intelligence summary
>>>prepared by a Western government, and corroborated by senior U.S. 
>>>diplomats, said Ostex, one of Rabinovich's companies, had been created 
>>>as an arm of Nordex, a claim that Rabinovich disputed.
>>>
>>>"In the interview in his office in a modern building in Kiev, Rabinovich
>>>said he had worked with Nordex for about a year but had broken off the
>>>relationship two years ago because of bad publicity about Loutchansky. He
>>>said his companies, which are engaged in many businesses, had only
>>>legitimate interests...
>>>
>>>"Lauder, whose mother founded Estee Lauder Cosmetics, created Central
>>>European Media in 1994. He predicted last year that the company would have
>>>annual revenues of $1 billion within five years, but it has run up steady
>>>losses to date. The company reported last month that it lost $30 million
>>>in 1996 compared with losses of $18.7 million in 1995 and $20.5 
>>>million in 1994.
>>>
>>>"When the company sought to enter the Ukraine market a year ago, Fertig
>>>said, its executives were referred to Rabinovich and his partners in
>>>Studio 11 by Oleksandra Volkov, an assistant and close adviser to Kuchma.
>>>Western diplomats and businessmen said Volkov also owned a piece of 
>>>Studio 11, but Fertig said he was unaware of that investment.
>>>
>>>"Along with the recommendation from the presidential adviser, the company
>>>executives also were impressed by a photograph in Rabinovich's office that
>>>showed him with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, according to
>>>a person close to the company.
>>>
>>>"The photograph was taken in late 1995 at a Democratic fund-raising party
>>>in Miami, Rabinovich said. He said he had not donated money to the
>>>Democrats but had been invited to the event by Bennett LeBow, an American
>>>businessman whose interests include Liggett Group, the big cigarette
>>>manufacturer.
>>>
>>>"...Last summer Central European Media negotiated a partnership agreement
>>>with Studio 11 Group that gave the American company a 50 percent
>>>economic interest in the operation, which was broadcasting about five
>>>hours a day on Ukrainian television.
>>>
>>>"Studio 11 received a license last fall to expand its broadcast time on
>>>Ukraine's commercial channel, UT 2, to nine hours a day, including prime
>>>time. The license, also sought by other companies, was issued despite a
>>>moratorium imposed by Parliament.
>>>
>>>"...The Ukraine deal is important to Central European Media. In a stock
>>>offering last fall, which raised $132 million, the company said the
>>>Ukraine partnership had more than doubled its market reach.
>>>
>>>"A cablegram from the embassy to the State Department in Washington in
>>>September raised questions about Rabinovich's background and said he was
>>>'largely considered beyond the reach of the law in Ukraine,' according to
>>>a copy provided to The New York Times." (End quote).
>>>
>>>Once again we see the worldwide Media Monopoly extend its suzerainty
>>>thanks to their Money Power and the betrayal of the people by the Pres. of
>>>Ukraine and other Judases.
>sven88



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On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:42:59 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:31:49 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>
>
>>>From: NSWPP-CSU 
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>
>>>======================================================
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>>>
>>>According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, "TV Venture by
>>>Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions," Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>>>to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>>>millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>>>Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire--Central European Media
>>>Enterprises-- in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>The Jewish owned Central European Media controls television stations in
>>>seven East European countries in the region. Ukrainian TV is controlled by
>>>its subsidiary, the Studio 11 Group, its local partner in Kiev.
>>>
>>>Rabinovich is linked to Grigory Loutchansky, a Russian-Jew, whose company,
>>>Nordex, is believed to be a front for the Russian-Jewish mafia.
>>>
>>>The Times says, "Rabinovich was jailed from 1982 to 1990 for theft from
>>>the state. He said in an interview that he had been chief of a
>>>construction brigade and had sold goods to private customers. He said
>>>he had committed no real crime and had been persecuted for being Jewish.
>>>
>>>"...Central European Media sought to expand into Ukraine a year ago. At
>>>the outset, Fertig (its chief of operations) said, its representatives
>>>were referred to Rabinovich and his partners by a close adviser and 
>>>assistant to President Leonid Kuchma of Ukraine, who praised the Ukraine
>>>group. And when questions arose about the legality of the broadcast
>>>license  received by the joint venture, the same presidential adviser
>>>obtained a letter declaring that the license had been awarded properly.
>>>
>>>"...(C)oncerns about his business activities led the British government to
>>>bar Loutchansky from entering the country...An intelligence summary
>>>prepared by a Western government, and corroborated by senior U.S. 
>>>diplomats, said Ostex, one of Rabinovich's companies, had been created 
>>>as an arm of Nordex, a claim that Rabinovich disputed.
>>>
>>>"In the interview in his office in a modern building in Kiev, Rabinovich
>>>said he had worked with Nordex for about a year but had broken off the
>>>relationship two years ago because of bad publicity about Loutchansky. He
>>>said his companies, which are engaged in many businesses, had only
>>>legitimate interests...
>>>
>>>"Lauder, whose mother founded Estee Lauder Cosmetics, created Central
>>>European Media in 1994. He predicted last year that the company would have
>>>annual revenues of $1 billion within five years, but it has run up steady
>>>losses to date. The company reported last month that it lost $30 million
>>>in 1996 compared with losses of $18.7 million in 1995 and $20.5 
>>>million in 1994.
>>>
>>>"When the company sought to enter the Ukraine market a year ago, Fertig
>>>said, its executives were referred to Rabinovich and his partners in
>>>Studio 11 by Oleksandra Volkov, an assistant and close adviser to Kuchma.
>>>Western diplomats and businessmen said Volkov also owned a piece of 
>>>Studio 11, but Fertig said he was unaware of that investment.
>>>
>>>"Along with the recommendation from the presidential adviser, the company
>>>executives also were impressed by a photograph in Rabinovich's office that
>>>showed him with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, according to
>>>a person close to the company.
>>>
>>>"The photograph was taken in late 1995 at a Democratic fund-raising party
>>>in Miami, Rabinovich said. He said he had not donated money to the
>>>Democrats but had been invited to the event by Bennett LeBow, an American
>>>businessman whose interests include Liggett Group, the big cigarette
>>>manufacturer.
>>>
>>>"...Last summer Central European Media negotiated a partnership agreement
>>>with Studio 11 Group that gave the American company a 50 percent
>>>economic interest in the operation, which was broadcasting about five
>>>hours a day on Ukrainian television.
>>>
>>>"Studio 11 received a license last fall to expand its broadcast time on
>>>Ukraine's commercial channel, UT 2, to nine hours a day, including prime
>>>time. The license, also sought by other companies, was issued despite a
>>>moratorium imposed by Parliament.
>>>
>>>"...The Ukraine deal is important to Central European Media. In a stock
>>>offering last fall, which raised $132 million, the company said the
>>>Ukraine partnership had more than doubled its market reach.
>>>
>>>"A cablegram from the embassy to the State Department in Washington in
>>>September raised questions about Rabinovich's background and said he was
>>>'largely considered beyond the reach of the law in Ukraine,' according to
>>>a copy provided to The New York Times." (End quote).
>>>
>>>Once again we see the worldwide Media Monopoly extend its suzerainty
>>>thanks to their Money Power and the betrayal of the people by the Pres. of
>>>Ukraine and other Judases.
>sven88



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On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:29:58 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:14:31 -0800, Chris Dollmont 
>wrote:
>>intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>>> : someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>> : : In Edmonton Canada, JEWS forced the removal of the Cross from the
>>> : : Cenotaph, commemmorating Remembrance Day.
>
>>> Actually it is anti Christian for the Jews to have our cross removed.
>>> Grosvenor is merely pointing out the atrocity and sacrilege caused by the
>>> Jews in desecrating our Remembrance day.
>
>>The Jews did not have the cross removed from the cenotaph! The only place
>>that happened was in the mind of one William Grosvenor. Here are the facts:
>>
>>1) The cross was removed from the cenotaph.
>>2) The removal was an attempt to make the cenotaph less 'religious' and open
>>to more groups.
>>3) Although Grosvenor fingers Len Dolgoy, the newspaper articles that he
>>(mis)cites clearly state that, while Dolgoy did bring the matter up, he made
>>no formal complaint.
>
>The Edmonton Journal in interviewing the JEW Dolgoy, quote him as
>stating that he DID complain.
>>
>>Personally, I feel that the removal of the cross is wrong.
>
>All Christians are outraged about this one more attempt by the cursed
>JEWs to desecrate the symbol not only for all the millions of
>Christians who died, but to desecrate Remembrance Day!!!
>[File: C:\Program Files\Netscape\files\cenotaph.txt]



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:50:07 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:13:43 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:18:46 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:43:06, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>>
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>>
>>>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>>>
>>>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>>>
>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>>sven88



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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:27 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:52:15 -0400, "[Unknown sender]"
> wrote:
>
>>Hide your crimes behind the holohoax!
>>
>>Date: Monday, 22-Dec-97 06:45 PM
>>
>>Subject: 6 Indicted in Fraud Over Use of Grants for Hasidic Groups
>>
>>   Excerpt:
>>
>>   The Federal subpoenas are "...remindful of the Holocaust that many in
>>   this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   By BENJAMIN WEISER N.Y. Times May 29, 1997 (Metro section only)
>>
>>   NEW YORK -- Five members of a Hasidic community in Rockland County and
>>   one in Brooklyn were indicted Wednesday on charges that they
>>   systematically defrauded the federal and state governments of tens of
>>   millions of dollars in student loans, business assistance and housing
>>   subsidies.
>>
>>   In one scheme, according to federal prosecutors, a Talmudic seminary in
>>   Brooklyn was financed almost entirely by federal Pell grants awarded to
>>   ineligible or nonexistent students. The defendants also looted state
>>   student aid programs, Small Business Administration programs and the
>>   federal Section 8 housing program, prosecutors said.
>>
>>   The plans, the authorities said, were used to enrich the defendants but
>>   also to benefit the community institutions of New Square, the Rockland
>>   County village, along with the yeshiva in New Square.
>>
>>   In a broad indictment unsealed Wednesday in Manhattan, the U.S.
>>   attorney's office depicted a vast scheme by which the six men and others
>>   enrolled thousands of New Square and Brooklyn residents in post-secondary
>>   education programs in Jewish seminaries and Rockland County Community
>>   College in order to fraudulently obtain money through federal Pell
>>   grants, which are awarded to needy post-secondary students.
>>
>>   The indictment said that most of the students were not eligible for the
>>   grants, did not get their degrees and, in some cases, enrolled after
>>   recruiters promised them hundreds of dollars a year. Prosecutors said
>>   that one Brooklyn seminary program fraudulently got $10.3 million in Pell
>>   grants "on behalf of its purported students."
>>
>>   The government's investigation has been no secret in the tightly knit
>>   community of about 6,000 in New Square, which consists almost entirely of
>>   Hasidim. News of the indictment drew sharp criticism there Wednesday. A
>>   statement by village representatives contended that the U.S. attorney in
>>   Manhattan, Mary Jo White, had a "vendetta" against New Square residents,
>>   and that federal agents had earlier scared small children there by
>>   serving subpoenas at 6 a.m. "in a manner remindful of the Holocaust that
>>   many in this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   Rabbi Mayer Schiller, (1) who said he was a spokesman for the residents,
>>   said he was certain that the accusations would be proven false. "They
>>   have imposed a reign of terror on this entire community," he said,
>>   referring to the federal prosecutors."
>>
>>   Ms. White responded by citing an earlier phase of the investigation when,
>>   in 1995, a federal judge held the Yeshiva of New Square in contempt of
>>   court for failing to obey a grand jury subpoena for its bank records and
>>   other documents, which led to a $1 million fine paid by the yeshiva.
>>
>>   "Given the repeated efforts to obstruct the grand jury's investigation,"
>>   she said, "the response and accusations of unfair treatment are
>>   disheartening, but not surprising."
>>
>>   The indictment was vague about just how the money was put to use, and
>>   just how much ended up back in the community.
>>
>>   Schiller said that New Square was founded in 1957 by four Holocaust
>>   survivors, including Chaim Berger, one of the defendants named in
>>   Wednesday's indictment.
>>
>>   The indictment said Berger had been a member of the village's board of
>>   trustees and the board of the Yeshiva of New Square, and was chairman of
>>   the board of the Brooklyn seminary, Toldos Yakov Yosef, where many of the
>>   New Square and Brooklyn students receiving Pell grants were enrolled.
>>
>>   The indictment asserted that Berger and two other of the seminary's
>>   administrators, Kalmen Stern and David Goldstein, created a false picture
>>   of the seminary's programs. The indictment said they falsified resumes,
>>   minutes of the board meetings and reviews of student progress to get
>>   federal money.
>>
>>   The seminary was financed "almost exclusively" by Pell grants awarded to
>>   the school on behalf of its "alleged" students from 1987 to 1993, the
>>   indictment said, but in reality, it added, the school enrolled students
>>   who did not meet the requirements, were not seeking a degree, and did not
>>   take tests or even take part in any actual program of study.
>>
>>   The indictment said that in the early 1980s, Berger and others helped
>>   create a program for "independent Judaic Studies" for New Square students
>>   at Rockland County Community College.
>>
>>   From 1982 to 1988, thousands of students were enrolled, and most got Pell
>>   grants and state tuition aid. The indictment said that many of these
>>   students were also not eligible for aid, and in some cases, did not even
>>   know they were enrolled.
>>
>>   "Some New Square and Brooklyn residents were enrolled in as many as five
>>   different educational institutions, and received Pell Grants for as many
>>   as 10 or more years, without ever receiving any degree or any certificate
>>   reflecting that they had completed a program of study," the indictment
>>   said.
>>
>>   Besides Berger and Stern, the indictment charged three other New Square
>>   residents, Jacob Elbaum; Berger's son, Benjamin, and Avrum D.  Friesel
>>   who, according to Schiller, is the son of New Square's mayor.  Goldstein,
>>   the sixth defendant, lives in Brooklyn.
>>
>>   None of the defendants or their lawyers could be reached for comment
>>   Wednesday. Gerald Shargel, a lawyer for the Yeshiva of New Square, said
>>   he could not comment on the specifics of the case.
>>
>>



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:00:16 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP  wrote:
>>
>>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London's History
>>>
>>>DAILY MAIL
>>>Monday June 15 1998
>>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN
>>>
>>>
>>>Revealed: The men accused in 
>>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket
>>>
>>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters 
>>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was 
>>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank 
>>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at 
>>>slashing the Ł36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.
>>>
>>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has 
>>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest 
>>>ever alleged welfare frauds.
>>>
>>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38, 
>>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their 
>>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.
>>>
>>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of 
>>>what Mr Field described as 'an extended family' about 
>>>allegations of illegally claiming up to Ł3,600,000 in housing 
>>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed 
>>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by 
>>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage 
>>>fraud worth Ł31.2 million.
>>>
>>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with 
>>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members 
>>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used 
>>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.
>>>
>>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the 
>>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill, 
>>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation 
>>>has caused consider-able anger.
>>>
>>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter, 
>>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight 
>>>to clear his name.
>>>
>>>'This investigation is without foundation and is a complete 
>>>waste of taxpayers' money,' he insisted. 'All of our finances 
>>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.
>>>
>>>'It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism. 
>>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent 
>>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to 
>>>get on with our lives in peace.
>>>
>>>'When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a 
>>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed. 
>>>This should not have been allowed to happen.'
>>>
>>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached 
>>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: 'He has no 
>>>comment to make.' Eichenstein lists his official home 
>>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home 
>>>where his wife and children live.
>>>
>>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm 
>>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of 
>>>the men's companies con-firmed that they had been contacted 
>>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing 
>>>to examine their records.
>>>
>>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a 
>>>network of companies and properties associated 
>>>with the family.
>>>
>>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein 
>>>are within a stone's throw of each other on the Stamford 
>>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties 
>>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein's home.
>>>
>>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties 
>>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.
>>>
>>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a 
>>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling 
>>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.
>>>
>>>Police activity is all but non-existent - patrol cars are 
>>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related 
>>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the 
>>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.
>>>
>>>
>>>Both men, together with three women and another man to 
>>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to 
>>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the 
>>>end of this month.
>>>
>>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids 
>>>on four houses in April - is seen by Mr Field as the first 
>>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.
>>>
>>>Ministers have decided that they want to 'name and shame' 
>>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a 
>>>'revival of common decencies'.
>>>
>>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised 
>>>housing benefit rackets in London - an initiative which 
>>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.
>>>
>>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting 
>>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious 
>>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of 
>>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and 
>>>other cities in Britain.
>>>
>>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime 
>>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.
>>>
>>>The Minister said: 'We are going for the big boys, while 
>>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much 
>>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in 
>>>Britain today.'
>>>
>>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly Ł31 
>>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite 
>>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.
>>>
>>>--------------------------------------
>>>



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:42:53 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>
>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...
>
>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>The Kastner Case
>
>                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>                                The Verdict
>
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully.
>
>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>to Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>mislead the Jews.
>
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs
>.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>Jews.
>
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan.
>
>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>on the other hand.
>
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>affidavit given in favor of a war
>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." 
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>his Nazi 
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
> 
>The Reaction
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>criminal libel.
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>appeal filed.
>
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>
>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>                        
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>'collaboration'.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>Kastner. They joined him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>Jewish community.
>
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>many or should he disclose
>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>what was known to them and did not warn
>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>
>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>Silberg:
>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>judgements on the guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>thousands would have been able
>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>to a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>occupation.
>
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>proof of  evidence for this.
>
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>of events it throws retroactive
>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>on trial .
>
>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>
>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>murder trial).
>
>
>sven88



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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:57:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:04:48, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>
>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...
>
>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>The Kastner Case
>
>                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>                                The Verdict
>
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully.
>
>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>to Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>mislead the Jews.
>
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs
>.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>Jews.
>
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan.
>
>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>on the other hand.
>
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>affidavit given in favor of a war
>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." 
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>his Nazi 
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
> 
>The Reaction
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>criminal libel.
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>appeal filed.
>
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>
>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>                        
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>'collaboration'.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>Kastner. They joined him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>Jewish community.
>
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>many or should he disclose
>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>what was known to them and did not warn
>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>
>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>Silberg:
>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>judgements on the guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>thousands would have been able
>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>to a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>occupation.
>
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>proof of  evidence for this.
>
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>of events it throws retroactive
>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>on trial .
>
>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>
>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>murder trial).
>
>
>sven88
>
>
>>In article <36071A8A.56E@cableinet.co.uk>, Cuddles@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
>>Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending upon how you look at it), my
>>political views, although conservative in general, are not out of the
>>range seen in the mainstream. You can call it cowardice if you want, but
>>what I believe is what I believe. If somehow the more radical folks on
>>this board ever came to power--heaven forbid!--I guess that I'd be the
>>radical and I'd have to see how I'd react.



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On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:14:46 GMT, doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com
(Gunther Schiller) wrote:

>>> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle
>
>>Amazing. Blame Hitler on the Jews? What a laugh. And I thought Stalin was a
>>reach. 
>>No, there were no Jews in Hitler's inner circle. Pure non-sense.
>
>Wanna bet o' clueless one? You are damned good at running your mouth
>and offering your opinion, along with your undocumented uses of the
>telephone BUT I have my facts together!
>
>http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html
>
>This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
>who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
>because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
>make a living--and live--despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
>he was a specialist in aerial photography--
>
>>>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.
>
>>Specific example. Pure fantasy. Please make something up
>
>You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz's
>book The War Against The Jews.
>
>Lucy S. Dawidowicz's book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
>Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].
>
>* April 7, 1933 Hitler's letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
>the "Jewish Problem." "Officials who were already employed as civil
>servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
>fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
>sons were killed in action in the World War." (pg 77)
>* ["Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
>and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
>and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
>Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
>deportations."]
>
>			____________________________
>
>Or how about this?
>
>                                       Hitler's Jewish Army
>
>"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel
>speaking of World War Two.
>
>"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing
>what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
>is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
>the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>
>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's
>knowledge and approval.
>
>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field
>marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
>generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."
>
>[ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]
>
>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
>awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
>
>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
>practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>
>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated
>widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>
>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
>high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an
>Aryan.''
>
>Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
>in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>
>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
>officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
>whose father was a Jew.
>
>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
>police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).
>
>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
>Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
>Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>
>Sources:
>
>William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>
>Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>
>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html
>
>Article " Hitler's Jewish Army" from:
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html
>
>		----------------------------------
>
>http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html
>
>Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company 
>
>Thursday, April 3, 1997 
>
>Hitler let `Aryanized' Jews serve in Nazi armed forces 
>
>by Reuters 
>
>BONN - Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
>Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
>the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
>yesterday...... [Click the above link to see all of the story.]
>
>See also:
>
>http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html
>
>Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company 
>
>Dec. 26, 1996 
>
>An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
>served in Nazi army 
>
>by William D. Montalbano
>Los Angeles Times 
>
>LONDON - Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man's land
>of Holocaust history. 
>
>Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
>them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
>II - during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews. 
>
>"Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>called `full Jews' served in the military with Adolf Hitler's
>knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
>exterminated their families," Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
>whole story.]
>
> http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html 
>
>			----------------------------------
>
>>.>Did the Bolsheviks give exemptions?
>
>>You tell me.
>
>No, they did not!
>
>		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:02:29 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:24 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>
>>If there were so many documented JEWS in the German military, one MUST
>>question how many may have died in WWII!!!
>>
>>It seems that the number keeps on increasing, by mythical magic, just
>>as each new lawsuit demanding reparations is filed!!!
>>
>>In other words, soon the number of damn JEW claimants for alleged
>>demise in WWII will exceed the populations of all the countries
>>involved.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:43:34 GMT, vagabond@idirect.com (William
>>Markiewicz) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>Communication Page, August 97 issue 
>>>http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>> 
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>> 
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>> 
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>> 
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>> 
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>> 
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>> 
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>> 
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>> 
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>> 
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>> 
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>> 
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>> 
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!



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On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:29:58 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:14:31 -0800, Chris Dollmont 
>wrote:
>>intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>>> : someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>> : : In Edmonton Canada, JEWS forced the removal of the Cross from the
>>> : : Cenotaph, commemmorating Remembrance Day.
>
>>> Actually it is anti Christian for the Jews to have our cross removed.
>>> Grosvenor is merely pointing out the atrocity and sacrilege caused by the
>>> Jews in desecrating our Remembrance day.
>
>>The Jews did not have the cross removed from the cenotaph! The only place
>>that happened was in the mind of one William Grosvenor. Here are the facts:
>>
>>1) The cross was removed from the cenotaph.
>>2) The removal was an attempt to make the cenotaph less 'religious' and open
>>to more groups.
>>3) Although Grosvenor fingers Len Dolgoy, the newspaper articles that he
>>(mis)cites clearly state that, while Dolgoy did bring the matter up, he made
>>no formal complaint.
>
>The Edmonton Journal in interviewing the JEW Dolgoy, quote him as
>stating that he DID complain.
>>
>>Personally, I feel that the removal of the cross is wrong.
>
>All Christians are outraged about this one more attempt by the cursed
>JEWs to desecrate the symbol not only for all the millions of
>Christians who died, but to desecrate Remembrance Day!!!
>[File: C:\Program Files\Netscape\files\cenotaph.txt]



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:13:17 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:29:43 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>
>>On 13 Oct 1998 03:36:24 GMT,(Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>>
>>On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:00:36 -0400,  wrote:
>>>Hey Warr,
>>
>>>Get some new material. Fran Dresher you aint. Henny Youngman could do better
>>>sleepwalking.
>>
>>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0200, "Rob"  wrote:
>>
>>>You are right!!!
>>
>>On 10 Oct 1998 18:46:42 GMT,  (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>>
>>JEWISH JOKES
>>
>>How was copper wiring invented?
>>Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>>
>>
>>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>>They put parking meters on the roof!
>>
>>
>>Why is money green?
>>Because Jews pick it before it's ripe!
>>
>>
>>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>>Jew Jew Beans... Although I heard he enjoyed them "roasted!"
>>
>>
>>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>>A fur coat!
>>
>>
>>Why don't Jews eat pork?
>>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they're not!
>>
>>
>>Why aren't Jews attacked by sharks?
>>Professional courtesy!
>>
>>
>>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>>Let one in, and he'll keep the rest out.
>>
>>
>>What's the Jewish version of foreplay?
>>Half an hour of begging.
>>
>>
>>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>>She's the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>>
>>
>>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>>
>>
>>What's the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>>
>>
>>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>>Someone dropped a quarter!
>>
>>
>>Why do Jews have such big noses?
>>Because air is free.
>>
>>
>>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>>an
>>affair?
>>Who catered it?
>>
>>
>>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>>He breaks his nose.
>>
>>
>>What's a Jewish dilemma?
>>Free ham.
>>
>>
>>What's the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>>Nail polish.
>>
>>
>>What's the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>>An elephant eventually forgets.
>>
>>
>>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>>way,
>>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>>rubbed it, a
>>Jewish genie appeared. "I'll give you two wishes," quipped
>>the genie. "Far out," said the black man. "First, I want to be white,
>>uptight,
>>and out of sight!" Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>>story:
>>You can't get anything from a Jew without strings
>>attached!
>>
>>
>>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>>Marry her!
>>
>>
>>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>>They want 20% off everything!
>>
>>
>>What's the difference between between karate and judo?
>>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>>
>>
>>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>>
>>
>>What's the definition of a queer Jew?
>>Someone that likes girls more then money.
>>
>>
>>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>>A WHINE cellar.
>>
>>
>>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>>
>>
>>What's the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>>A vulture waits until you're dead to eat your heart out!
>>
>>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>>==-----
>>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based
>>newsreading
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, "WaRR" 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>>oil of no lay!!
>>
>>>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>>
>>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle's creed was
>>>what fought rocky balboa.
>>
>>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>>a toilet doesn't follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>>
>>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>>it's called well i'll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman's waterbed?
>>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>>
>>>=how was copper wire invented?
>>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>>
>>>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>>> because jewish women won't buy anything unless it's 20% off.
>>
>>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>>a girl.
>>
>>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>>=what's a jewish british princess' favorite wine?
>>> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>>she drops her nail file.
>>
>>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>>
>>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>>
>>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>>jello moves when you eat it.
>>
>>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>>she makes him beg for an hour.
>>
>>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>>british princess?
>>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>>
>>>=what's the difference between jews and canoes?
>>>canoes tip.   ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>>
>>>=what's the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>>pizzas don't scream when you put them in the oven.
>>
>>>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>>>free ham.
>>
>>>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>>a cash register.
>>
>>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>>
>>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>>he only took tips.
>>
>>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>>
>>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>>replied, "i'd draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>>the other to me." the minister replied, "i'd draw a circle in
>>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>>outside for me." the rabbi's answer was, he wouldn't draw any
>>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>>
>>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they're
>>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. "ok," he says,
>>>"but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>>if you don't, you go straight to hell." after agreeing, they find
>>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. "i can't help myself!" says the
>>>italian... he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. "i can't
>>>help myself!" he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>>homosexual disappears.
>>
>>>yours truly
>>
>>>WaRR
>>-88-
>>



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:50:07 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:13:43 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:18:46 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:43:06, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>>
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>>
>>>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>>>
>>>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>>>
>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>in Canada Post:
>
>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>Bill of Rights.
>
>
>
>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>Government of Cuba!!
>
>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>
>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>
>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>they stop stealing mail!!!
>
>
>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>
>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>
>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>
>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>
>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>
>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>
>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>campaign.
>
>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>THEM!!!
>
>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>at Canada Post include:
>
>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>
>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>
>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>
>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>
>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>
>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>disappearing!!!
>
>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>
>
>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>
>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>
>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>stolen.
>
>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>
>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>
>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>
>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>been arrested.
>
>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>
>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>mail.
>
>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>
>
>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>
>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>
>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>Registered items!!!!
>
>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>
>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>
>
>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>wrote:
>
>>>>>Rainer,
>
>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>
>
>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>
>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>
>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>tip of the iceberg.
>
>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>
>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>substantial losses.
>
>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>pay the higher cost.
>
>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>
>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>
>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>> writes
>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>
>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>letters?
>
>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>
>
>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>USPS.
>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>as other media.
>



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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:27 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:52:15 -0400, "[Unknown sender]"
> wrote:
>
>>Hide your crimes behind the holohoax!
>>
>>Date: Monday, 22-Dec-97 06:45 PM
>>
>>Subject: 6 Indicted in Fraud Over Use of Grants for Hasidic Groups
>>
>>   Excerpt:
>>
>>   The Federal subpoenas are "...remindful of the Holocaust that many in
>>   this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   By BENJAMIN WEISER N.Y. Times May 29, 1997 (Metro section only)
>>
>>   NEW YORK -- Five members of a Hasidic community in Rockland County and
>>   one in Brooklyn were indicted Wednesday on charges that they
>>   systematically defrauded the federal and state governments of tens of
>>   millions of dollars in student loans, business assistance and housing
>>   subsidies.
>>
>>   In one scheme, according to federal prosecutors, a Talmudic seminary in
>>   Brooklyn was financed almost entirely by federal Pell grants awarded to
>>   ineligible or nonexistent students. The defendants also looted state
>>   student aid programs, Small Business Administration programs and the
>>   federal Section 8 housing program, prosecutors said.
>>
>>   The plans, the authorities said, were used to enrich the defendants but
>>   also to benefit the community institutions of New Square, the Rockland
>>   County village, along with the yeshiva in New Square.
>>
>>   In a broad indictment unsealed Wednesday in Manhattan, the U.S.
>>   attorney's office depicted a vast scheme by which the six men and others
>>   enrolled thousands of New Square and Brooklyn residents in post-secondary
>>   education programs in Jewish seminaries and Rockland County Community
>>   College in order to fraudulently obtain money through federal Pell
>>   grants, which are awarded to needy post-secondary students.
>>
>>   The indictment said that most of the students were not eligible for the
>>   grants, did not get their degrees and, in some cases, enrolled after
>>   recruiters promised them hundreds of dollars a year. Prosecutors said
>>   that one Brooklyn seminary program fraudulently got $10.3 million in Pell
>>   grants "on behalf of its purported students."
>>
>>   The government's investigation has been no secret in the tightly knit
>>   community of about 6,000 in New Square, which consists almost entirely of
>>   Hasidim. News of the indictment drew sharp criticism there Wednesday. A
>>   statement by village representatives contended that the U.S. attorney in
>>   Manhattan, Mary Jo White, had a "vendetta" against New Square residents,
>>   and that federal agents had earlier scared small children there by
>>   serving subpoenas at 6 a.m. "in a manner remindful of the Holocaust that
>>   many in this community endured decades ago."
>>
>>   Rabbi Mayer Schiller, (1) who said he was a spokesman for the residents,
>>   said he was certain that the accusations would be proven false. "They
>>   have imposed a reign of terror on this entire community," he said,
>>   referring to the federal prosecutors."
>>
>>   Ms. White responded by citing an earlier phase of the investigation when,
>>   in 1995, a federal judge held the Yeshiva of New Square in contempt of
>>   court for failing to obey a grand jury subpoena for its bank records and
>>   other documents, which led to a $1 million fine paid by the yeshiva.
>>
>>   "Given the repeated efforts to obstruct the grand jury's investigation,"
>>   she said, "the response and accusations of unfair treatment are
>>   disheartening, but not surprising."
>>
>>   The indictment was vague about just how the money was put to use, and
>>   just how much ended up back in the community.
>>
>>   Schiller said that New Square was founded in 1957 by four Holocaust
>>   survivors, including Chaim Berger, one of the defendants named in
>>   Wednesday's indictment.
>>
>>   The indictment said Berger had been a member of the village's board of
>>   trustees and the board of the Yeshiva of New Square, and was chairman of
>>   the board of the Brooklyn seminary, Toldos Yakov Yosef, where many of the
>>   New Square and Brooklyn students receiving Pell grants were enrolled.
>>
>>   The indictment asserted that Berger and two other of the seminary's
>>   administrators, Kalmen Stern and David Goldstein, created a false picture
>>   of the seminary's programs. The indictment said they falsified resumes,
>>   minutes of the board meetings and reviews of student progress to get
>>   federal money.
>>
>>   The seminary was financed "almost exclusively" by Pell grants awarded to
>>   the school on behalf of its "alleged" students from 1987 to 1993, the
>>   indictment said, but in reality, it added, the school enrolled students
>>   who did not meet the requirements, were not seeking a degree, and did not
>>   take tests or even take part in any actual program of study.
>>
>>   The indictment said that in the early 1980s, Berger and others helped
>>   create a program for "independent Judaic Studies" for New Square students
>>   at Rockland County Community College.
>>
>>   From 1982 to 1988, thousands of students were enrolled, and most got Pell
>>   grants and state tuition aid. The indictment said that many of these
>>   students were also not eligible for aid, and in some cases, did not even
>>   know they were enrolled.
>>
>>   "Some New Square and Brooklyn residents were enrolled in as many as five
>>   different educational institutions, and received Pell Grants for as many
>>   as 10 or more years, without ever receiving any degree or any certificate
>>   reflecting that they had completed a program of study," the indictment
>>   said.
>>
>>   Besides Berger and Stern, the indictment charged three other New Square
>>   residents, Jacob Elbaum; Berger's son, Benjamin, and Avrum D.  Friesel
>>   who, according to Schiller, is the son of New Square's mayor.  Goldstein,
>>   the sixth defendant, lives in Brooklyn.
>>
>>   None of the defendants or their lawyers could be reached for comment
>>   Wednesday. Gerald Shargel, a lawyer for the Yeshiva of New Square, said
>>   he could not comment on the specifics of the case.
>>
>>



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On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:08:58 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>The article below sheds further light on the problem relating to
>faggots!!!
>
>The pentateuch contains strong pronouncements against homosexuality,
>and secular Jews who desire "social justice" in reaction to these
>views have come to identify with homosexuals. Jewish people, as is
>noted elsewhere in this tome, are abstract thinkers who, as such, are
>blind to qualitative distinctions between discrimination
>against homosexuals and discrimination against Jews. The fact that 
>homosexuals choose to engage in that form of lifestyle (or, at the
>very least, to make it public) is one such example of a qualitative
>distinction which a Jewish mind, committed to "social justice," will
>gloss over.
>
>Moreover, Jewish people, who have a high neurosis rate compared to
>other peoples are likely more susceptible to homosexual maladaption.
>And Jewish women,who are already renowned for unhappiness in marriage
>may, when we consider that many of them are brought up in divorced
>homes (divorce being more common among Jews) very well be more
>inclined to lesbianism. (40% of all lesbians have dead or divorced
>mothers.)
>
>In consequence, the majority of Jews (who are irreligious or of a
>liberal bent) have come to identify with homosexuals. A consensus has
>been established that will necessitate, via Jewish influence, the
>ultimate political and cultural ascendency of homosexuality in North
>America. Part of this cultural trend can be seen in the spate
>of AIDS plays which Broadway is continually dishing out, the main
>focus of this appendix.
>
>"The play's authors are almost all Jewish. _Angels in America_ is by
>Tony Kushner, _Jeffrey_ by Paul Rudnick, and both music and lyrics to 
>_Falsettos_ are by William Finn. _The Night Larry Kramer Kissed Me_ is
>by the only Gentile, David Drake, but the title's Larry Kramer is
>Jewish and a real person, author of _The Normal Heart_ and _The
>Destiny of Me_, two angry AIDS-homosexual plays of 
>1985 and 1992, respectively. (Barbra Streisand is currently planning a
>movie version of _The Normal Heart_.) In all these plays, a
>homosexual, usually a Jewish protagonist's Gentile lover, dies of
>AIDS"
>
>"From the production's opening number, "Four Jews in a Room Bitching,"
>
>through the last act --fully half of which is devoted to preparations
>for and the final culmination of young Jason's Bar Mitzvah--
>_Falsettos_ is Jewish, Jewish, Jewish."
>
>"Just who are the legions of theatregoers that have made homosexual 
>theater commercially viable? Here we come to a curious recognition. 
>Starting after WWII, Jewish playwrights succeeded on Broadway in large
>numbers, and at the same time Jews have come to dominate Broadway
>audiences... When I ... was required for professional reasons to see
>almost everything on Broadway, I was  intrigued to find theater
>audiences that seemed overwhelmingly Jewish --a point perhaps more
>noticeable to the son of a Jewish mother." [Richard Grenier, "The 
>Homosexual Millenium: Is it Here? Is it Approaching?" National Review,
>
>June 7, 1993. Another play, of note, is William Hoffman's "As Is" and
>Fierstein's "Torch Song Trilogy."]
>
>In response to a letter accusing Mr. Grenier of Anti-Semitism, he 
>responded: "The leading Jewish figures [of these plays] are
>homosexuals and most of the leading homosexuals are Jews. The
>characters talk endlessly about Jews and homosexuality, homosexual and
>Jews. The playwrights themselves find a correlation. Am I not
>to notice this?" [National Review, August 9, 1993]
>
>Angels in America_ is "'One of the greatest... as funny as it is 
>profound' shouted USA Today. Frank Rich, guru of cultural New York, 
>pronounced on the occasion of its opening in Los Angeles that Tony
>Kushner's two-part, seven- hour _Angels in America_ had 'created an
>original theatrical world' that 'once entered by the
>open-minded viewer of any sexual or political persuasion, simply
>cannot be escaped.' This spring it won the Pulitzer Prize. Producers
>nearly shed blood amongst themselves over which of them would bankroll
>the play on Broadway. Rarely before have we seen the media in such a
>feeding frenzy. The New Yorker's John Lahr practically swooned in
>ecstasy. 'From its first beat, 'Angels in America' exhibited a
>ravishing command of its characters and of the discourse it 
>wanted to have through them with our society.'"
>
>"Alienation is, indeed, one of the major themes of the play. The first
>
>scene, in which the old rabbi makes a funeral speech, sounds the tonic
>
>note of alienation --'how we struggled, and how we fought, for the
>family, for the Jewish home, so that you would not grow up here, in
>this strange place, in the melting pot where nothing
>melted.' For Kushner, being a Jew is a metaphor for being gay." [Yale 
>Kramer, "Angels on Broadway", American Spectator, July 1993]
>
>-----------
>
>TWICE BLESSED: ON BEING LESBIAN, "GAY," AND JEWISH:
>
>The book "Twice Blessed: On Being Lesbian, Gay, AND Jewish" (ed. by 
>Christie Balka and Andy Rose) features a helpful list of Jewish/"Gay" 
>articles and organizations, some of which I will quote here to
>deliniate the scope of the phenomenom of Jewish support for
>homosexuality.
>
>Landmark Articles in Building Pro-homosexual Consensus....:
>
>As has been pointed out, gay Jews, and their secular supporters have 
>managed to build a consensus in support of homosexuality. This process
>
>can be observed in"landmark" articles which have appeared in major
>Jewish periodicals. Here is a list of several pro-homosexual articles
>which have appeared in major Jewish
>periodicals, in chronological order, as featured in "Twice Blessed":
>
>1973) "Judaism and Homosexuality." _CCAR Journal_ 20, no. 3 (Summer 
>1973). "This symposium in the journal of the Reform movement was
>inspired by the application of Beth Chayim Chadashim, a gay and
>lesbian outreach congregation... for admission to the Union of
>American Hebrew Congregations." 
>
>1975) "Must Homosexuals Be Jewish Outcasts?" _Sh'ma_ 5:98 (October 3, 
>1975), pp.303-5. "...first published article by a gay Jew in a
>mainstream Jewish periodical... calls for tolerance and acceptance." 
>
>1977) Mehler, Barry. "Gay Jews: One Man's Journey from Closet to 
>Community." _Moment_ 2, no. 5 (February/March 1977): 22-24. "...a
>moving personal account of coming out and finding a home in the gay
>community." 
>
>1978) Matt, Hershel J. "Sin, Crime, Sickness or Alternative Life
>Style?: A Jewish Approach to Homosexuality." _Judaism_ 27
>(1978):13-24. "For many years this essay was considered to be the
>authoritative liberal Jewish statement on homosexuality.... [they
>should be] accepted as they are. He calls for a marriage
>ceremony or similiar affirmation for gay and lesbian Jews." 
>
>1985) Marder, Janet R. "Getting to Know the Gay and Lesbian Shul." 
>_Reconstruct- ionist_ 51, no. 2 (October/November 1985):20-25. "Marder
>
>describers her own growth as a rabbi of Beth Chayim Chadashim. This
>journal issue... includes three other gay-supportive articles." 
>
>1986) "Homosexuality." _Keeping Posted_ 32, no. 2 (October 1986). 
>_Keeping posted_ is the Reform movement's magazine for HIGH SCHOOL
>education."This... edition includes a description of gay
>congregations, medical and psychological facts, and two young Jews'
>personal narratives about coming out." 
>
>1987) Matt, Hershel J. "Homosexual Rabbis?" _Conservative Judaism_ 39,
>
>no. 3 (1987):29-33. "Matt calls for the complete rejection of
>traditional Jewish teaching and supports the ordination of gays and
>lesbians as rabbis."
>
>1988) Kirschner, Robert. "Judaism and Homosexuality: A Reappraisal." 
>_Judaism_ 37, no. 4 (Fall 1988): 450-58. "Kirscher argues that... 
>halakhic creativity should be used to suspend the application of
>traditional Jewish law.... with homosexuals therefore being fully
>accepted and integrated in Jewish communal life."
>
>Along with the landmark articles presented, this book also presents a 
>handy list of Jewish/"Gay" Organizations. Here are a few of the more 
>renowned ones:
>
>1) "Ameinu," New York --a network of lesbians and gay men working 
>professionally in the Jewish community. 
>2) "New Jewish Agenda," New York --provides gay educational resources,
>and "work-shops" on the topic of "homophobia." [It is not irrational
>to fear a people who predominately carry a deadly, contagious
>disease.] 
>3) "World Congress of Gay and Lesbian Jewish Organizations,"
>Washington.
> 4) "Jewish Lesbian Daughters of Holocaust Survivors." 
>5) "Union of American Hebrew Congregations," New York. On the back of
>the book, the Rabbi President of this organization is quoted as
>follows:
>"[This book] reveals... that we are not so immune to the very 
>process of stigmatization by which we as Jews have been shunned and 
>persecuted and  massacred. We have not extended our embrace to include
>gay and lesbian Jews, affirming that we ALL are family, that they and
>their relatives are  OUR sons, OUR sisters, OUR neighbors, OUR fellow
>Jews..."
>
>Many of the contributors to this book were Rabbis, who were ordained
>at Hebrew Union College, and who went on to work at various synagogues
>
>throughout the U.S. --despite being women, and despite being in
>homosexual relationships. Here is a list of some of the exclusively
>"Gay"/Lesbian synagogues mentioned:
>
>Mishkan Shalom (Pennsylvania), Congregation Beth Chayim Chadashim (Los
>
>Angeles), Gongregation Beth Israel (Pennsylvania), Reconstructionist 
>Rabbinical College (Philadelphia), Beth Ahavah (Philadelphia). 
>
>In addition to this, the book gives examples of Jewish/"Gay"
>literature:
>
>-Beck, Evelyn Torton, ed. "Nice Jewish Girls: A Lesbian Anthology."
>"The first to affirm the uniqueness and variety of Jewish lesbian
>experience."
>
>-Bloch, Alice. "The Law of Return." About an American woman living in 
>Israel, "exploring her Jewishness while also claiming her voice as a 
>woman and a lesbian." 
>
>-"Coming Out, Coming Home: Lesbian and Gay Jews and the Jewish 
>Community." New York: New Jewish Agenda 1987.
>
>-Fierstein, Harvey. "Torch Song Trilogy." Former broadway play about
>the "triumphs" and "tragedies" of a gay Jewish drag queen. 
>
>-Geller, Ruth. "Triangles." Based on the life of the Jewish/lesbian 
>author's grandmother.
>
>-Glickman, Gary. "Years from Now." Describes three generations of a 
>Jewish family, seen in part through the eyes of the gay grandson.
>
>-Kay/Kantrowitz, Melanie, and Irena Kepfisz, eds. "The Tribe of Dina: 
>Jewish Women's Anthology." Lesbian feminist journal.
>
>-Newman, Leslea. "A Letter to Harvey Milk." Nine short stories about a
>
>Jewish lesbian's friends, relationships, and families.
>
>-"Out of Our Kitchen Closets: San Francisco Gay Jewish Cooking." 
>Published by the congregations Sha'ar Zahav. "...includes a history of
>
>this gay and lesbian congregation, as well as warm and wonderful
>stories of family recipes." 
>
>-Rich, Adrienne. "Blood, Bread and Poetry." She "has published many
>work that illuminate her... unique Jewish lesbian-feminist
>perspective." 
>
>-Silverstein, Charles. "A Family Matter: A Parent's Guide to 
>Homosexuality." "...the first to address this issue in an informative,
>
>sympathetic and respectful manner." [another Jewish crusader against
>tradition!]
>
>Here are some of the people listed as contributors to "Twice Blessed",
>
>along with their "qualifications." This list of Jewish individuals
>active in Feminist, Socialist, "Gay"/Lesbian, and other causes, not to
>mention teaching at schools, and leading non-"gay" congregations
>should give you some idea of the extent of the problem
>we face in eliminating the homosexual threat:
>
>-Adina Abramowitz, lesbian, active in a newly formed synagogue in 
>Pennsylvania, directs small business loan fund.
>
>-Martha A. Ackelsberg, professor of government at Smith College,
>founder of Jewish feminist group Ezrat Nashim and of B'Not Esh.
>
>-Rebecca T. Alpert, rabbi, Reconstructionist Rabbinical College,
>served as DEAN OF STUDENTS for two years. Member of B'Not Esh.
>Published widely in Jewish history, medical ethics, Feminism. 
>
>-Evelyn Torton Beck, professor/director, Women's studies program, 
>professor Jewish studies at University of Maryland. Editor of "Nice 
>Jewish Girls: A Lesbian anthology." Wrote: "Kafka and the Yiddish
>Theater," "The Prism of Sex."
>
>-Paul Horowitz, Bar Mitzvah at an Orthodox synagogue, member of United
>
>Synagogue Youth, spent summers at secular socialist Camp Kinder-Ring
>of the Workmen's Circle; an activist in antiwar, feminist, and gay
>liberation movements, his writing has appeared in Out/Look, the
>lesbian/gay quarterly, and NACLA's Report on the Americas. He is a
>member of the New Jewish Agenda and Democratic Socialists of America. 
>
>-Lesley M. Silversone, graduate of HUC, program directory of Temple 
>Menorah in California. Presently working on a new textbook for primary
>
>grades for the Union of American Hebrew Congregations.
>
>-Felice Yeskel, social change activist, works as an organizational 
>development consultant and human relations trainer for Diversity
>Works, Inc. with a variety of groups, including small businesses,
>religious and educational  institutions, social service agencies, and
>community groups. --helping  groups to deal with "cultural
>difference." [--to swallow the multicultural agenda] 
>
>-Alan D. Zamochnick, president of Beth Ahavah --Philadephia's "gay"
>and lesbian synagogue, AIDS Project coordinator for a federal civil
>rights agency. 
>
>-Christie Balka, activist, has written and spoken on Middle East
>issues, feminism, and lesbian gay issues. Served as national co-chair
>of New Jewish Agenda,associate director of Shalom Center. Active in
>local Jewish community and serves on her synagogue board. 
>
>-Andy Rose, social worker, community activist, has worked in many
>Jewish  institutions, including with children. Founding member,
>national co-chair of New Jewish Agenda. Co-ordinates Jewish
>communities AIDS project in San Francisco. Also serves on the UAHC
>AIDS Committee and is a board member of the AIDS National Interfaith
>Network.
>
>There are more, much more...
>
>
>
>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:39:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>
>>On 6 Nov 1997 05:06:18 GMT, kmacneil@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kevin MacNeil)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Geoff Casey  writes:
>>>
>>>[. . . ]
>>>
>>>]       Let's not continue to encourage a lifestyle that sees an early death
>>>] for homosexual men (43 years about with or without AIDS) and a very high
>>>] suicide rate.  I think it is 6 x the average.
>>>
>>>The suicide rate among gays is high because homophobic people like you
>>>turn them into social outcasts for living in a way which may well be
>>>innate and therefore not subject to change for the sake of convenience. 
>>>Have you thought of that?
>>
>>
>>The suicide rate is so high, because the perverts prefer to kill
>>themselves and each other, by engaging in an unnatural, dangerous
>>lifestyle.
>>
>>The ONLY CURE FOR FAGGOTS, IS INSTANT CREMATION!!



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Thu Nov  5 15:08:54 EST 1998
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Canadian Press, and the prestigious national TV program W5,yesterday
3rd November 1998,  both have confirmed that Israel's killer group
MOSSAD is still using Canadian passports for the Mossad terrorists.



What is even more hypocritical, is that the present communist
government of Canada, supports the criminal activities of the zionist
state of Israel and the MOSSAD CRIMINALS, with Canadian taxpayer
money!!


The media now report that Canada has one of its spies resident in
Israel, as permanent liaison with the MOSSAD terrorists!!!


On 12 Oct 1997 16:22:24 GMT, intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Help the assassins, heck no !

>THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ACCEPTED INTO CANADA AS REFUGEES.

>We love all the vermin of the world !  

>Especially criminals !!!

Such as the JEW Mafia from Russia, dope dealers from Viet Nam, faggots
spreading AIDS from Poland, and white collar criminals from Israel,
plus lots of other bogus refugees!!!



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Since in WWII, the JEW Zionists were allied to the Nazis, your comment
is incorrect.


2 spies for the JEW Mossad  terrorist organisation tried last Thursday
to murder Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, in Jordan.

According to news reports, the 2 criminals, using Canadian passports,
used some form of injecting device when they tried to murder the
popular Hamas chief.

The Candian government is trying to distance itself from the criminalk
activities of the Israeli Mossad, but it is presently unclear whether
the Jew terrorists were in fact Canadians, or whether the canadian
government is again issuing false passports, as it did for the 6 CIA
agents in Tehran under Joe Clark!!!

One MUST wonder, what is the active involvement of the Canadian
Government in the worldwide terrorism of the JEWS???

In a strange twist to this story, the JEWS released another Hamas
leader from the prison in Israel, and then deported him to Jordan.At
the same time, the media report that Israel provided the antidote to
the poison used by the spies on Meshal in their murder attempt.


On 5 Nov 1998 07:54:40 GMT, morbius@vcn.bc.ca (Michael Morbius) wrote:

>IIRC Mossad didn't have our permission to use those passports.
>
>Anyway, don't they kill Nazis?  Isn't that a good thing?
>
>Mike



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On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:11:34 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:

One must wonder whether it is a perverted Jew child molester, hiding
>from normal people who feel that it deserves instant cremation???


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On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:53:09 GMT, "PeterD" 
wanted to stimulate more concern about thefts by managers at Canada
Post, but forgot to include the following:


>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>in Canada Post:
>
>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>Bill of Rights.

>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>Government of Cuba!!
>
>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>
>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>
>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>they stop stealing mail!!!
>
>
>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>
>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>
>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>
>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>
>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>
>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>
>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>campaign.
>
>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>THEM!!!
>
>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>at Canada Post include:
>
>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>
>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>
>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>
>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>
>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>
>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>disappearing!!!
>
>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>
>
>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>
>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>
>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>stolen.
>
>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>
>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>
>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>
>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>been arrested.
>
>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>
>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>mail.
>
>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>
>
>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>
>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>
>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>Registered items!!!!
>
>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>
>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>
>
>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>wrote:
>
>>>>>Rainer,
>
>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>
>
>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>
>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>
>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>tip of the iceberg.
>
>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>
>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>substantial losses.
>
>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>pay the higher cost.
>
>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>
>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>
>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>> writes
>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>
>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>letters?

>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com


>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>USPS.
>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>as other media.




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On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:08:58 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>The article below sheds further light on the problem relating to
>faggots!!!
>
>The pentateuch contains strong pronouncements against homosexuality,
>and secular Jews who desire "social justice" in reaction to these
>views have come to identify with homosexuals. Jewish people, as is
>noted elsewhere in this tome, are abstract thinkers who, as such, are
>blind to qualitative distinctions between discrimination
>against homosexuals and discrimination against Jews. The fact that 
>homosexuals choose to engage in that form of lifestyle (or, at the
>very least, to make it public) is one such example of a qualitative
>distinction which a Jewish mind, committed to "social justice," will
>gloss over.
>
>Moreover, Jewish people, who have a high neurosis rate compared to
>other peoples are likely more susceptible to homosexual maladaption.
>And Jewish women,who are already renowned for unhappiness in marriage
>may, when we consider that many of them are brought up in divorced
>homes (divorce being more common among Jews) very well be more
>inclined to lesbianism. (40% of all lesbians have dead or divorced
>mothers.)
>
>In consequence, the majority of Jews (who are irreligious or of a
>liberal bent) have come to identify with homosexuals. A consensus has
>been established that will necessitate, via Jewish influence, the
>ultimate political and cultural ascendency of homosexuality in North
>America. Part of this cultural trend can be seen in the spate
>of AIDS plays which Broadway is continually dishing out, the main
>focus of this appendix.
>
>"The play's authors are almost all Jewish. _Angels in America_ is by
>Tony Kushner, _Jeffrey_ by Paul Rudnick, and both music and lyrics to 
>_Falsettos_ are by William Finn. _The Night Larry Kramer Kissed Me_ is
>by the only Gentile, David Drake, but the title's Larry Kramer is
>Jewish and a real person, author of _The Normal Heart_ and _The
>Destiny of Me_, two angry AIDS-homosexual plays of 
>1985 and 1992, respectively. (Barbra Streisand is currently planning a
>movie version of _The Normal Heart_.) In all these plays, a
>homosexual, usually a Jewish protagonist's Gentile lover, dies of
>AIDS"
>
>"From the production's opening number, "Four Jews in a Room Bitching,"
>
>through the last act --fully half of which is devoted to preparations
>for and the final culmination of young Jason's Bar Mitzvah--
>_Falsettos_ is Jewish, Jewish, Jewish."
>
>"Just who are the legions of theatregoers that have made homosexual 
>theater commercially viable? Here we come to a curious recognition. 
>Starting after WWII, Jewish playwrights succeeded on Broadway in large
>numbers, and at the same time Jews have come to dominate Broadway
>audiences... When I ... was required for professional reasons to see
>almost everything on Broadway, I was  intrigued to find theater
>audiences that seemed overwhelmingly Jewish --a point perhaps more
>noticeable to the son of a Jewish mother." [Richard Grenier, "The 
>Homosexual Millenium: Is it Here? Is it Approaching?" National Review,
>
>June 7, 1993. Another play, of note, is William Hoffman's "As Is" and
>Fierstein's "Torch Song Trilogy."]
>
>In response to a letter accusing Mr. Grenier of Anti-Semitism, he 
>responded: "The leading Jewish figures [of these plays] are
>homosexuals and most of the leading homosexuals are Jews. The
>characters talk endlessly about Jews and homosexuality, homosexual and
>Jews. The playwrights themselves find a correlation. Am I not
>to notice this?" [National Review, August 9, 1993]
>
>Angels in America_ is "'One of the greatest... as funny as it is 
>profound' shouted USA Today. Frank Rich, guru of cultural New York, 
>pronounced on the occasion of its opening in Los Angeles that Tony
>Kushner's two-part, seven- hour _Angels in America_ had 'created an
>original theatrical world' that 'once entered by the
>open-minded viewer of any sexual or political persuasion, simply
>cannot be escaped.' This spring it won the Pulitzer Prize. Producers
>nearly shed blood amongst themselves over which of them would bankroll
>the play on Broadway. Rarely before have we seen the media in such a
>feeding frenzy. The New Yorker's John Lahr practically swooned in
>ecstasy. 'From its first beat, 'Angels in America' exhibited a
>ravishing command of its characters and of the discourse it 
>wanted to have through them with our society.'"
>
>"Alienation is, indeed, one of the major themes of the play. The first
>
>scene, in which the old rabbi makes a funeral speech, sounds the tonic
>
>note of alienation --'how we struggled, and how we fought, for the
>family, for the Jewish home, so that you would not grow up here, in
>this strange place, in the melting pot where nothing
>melted.' For Kushner, being a Jew is a metaphor for being gay." [Yale 
>Kramer, "Angels on Broadway", American Spectator, July 1993]
>
>-----------
>
>TWICE BLESSED: ON BEING LESBIAN, "GAY," AND JEWISH:
>
>The book "Twice Blessed: On Being Lesbian, Gay, AND Jewish" (ed. by 
>Christie Balka and Andy Rose) features a helpful list of Jewish/"Gay" 
>articles and organizations, some of which I will quote here to
>deliniate the scope of the phenomenom of Jewish support for
>homosexuality.
>
>Landmark Articles in Building Pro-homosexual Consensus....:
>
>As has been pointed out, gay Jews, and their secular supporters have 
>managed to build a consensus in support of homosexuality. This process
>
>can be observed in"landmark" articles which have appeared in major
>Jewish periodicals. Here is a list of several pro-homosexual articles
>which have appeared in major Jewish
>periodicals, in chronological order, as featured in "Twice Blessed":
>
>1973) "Judaism and Homosexuality." _CCAR Journal_ 20, no. 3 (Summer 
>1973). "This symposium in the journal of the Reform movement was
>inspired by the application of Beth Chayim Chadashim, a gay and
>lesbian outreach congregation... for admission to the Union of
>American Hebrew Congregations." 
>
>1975) "Must Homosexuals Be Jewish Outcasts?" _Sh'ma_ 5:98 (October 3, 
>1975), pp.303-5. "...first published article by a gay Jew in a
>mainstream Jewish periodical... calls for tolerance and acceptance." 
>
>1977) Mehler, Barry. "Gay Jews: One Man's Journey from Closet to 
>Community." _Moment_ 2, no. 5 (February/March 1977): 22-24. "...a
>moving personal account of coming out and finding a home in the gay
>community." 
>
>1978) Matt, Hershel J. "Sin, Crime, Sickness or Alternative Life
>Style?: A Jewish Approach to Homosexuality." _Judaism_ 27
>(1978):13-24. "For many years this essay was considered to be the
>authoritative liberal Jewish statement on homosexuality.... [they
>should be] accepted as they are. He calls for a marriage
>ceremony or similiar affirmation for gay and lesbian Jews." 
>
>1985) Marder, Janet R. "Getting to Know the Gay and Lesbian Shul." 
>_Reconstruct- ionist_ 51, no. 2 (October/November 1985):20-25. "Marder
>
>describers her own growth as a rabbi of Beth Chayim Chadashim. This
>journal issue... includes three other gay-supportive articles." 
>
>1986) "Homosexuality." _Keeping Posted_ 32, no. 2 (October 1986). 
>_Keeping posted_ is the Reform movement's magazine for HIGH SCHOOL
>education."This... edition includes a description of gay
>congregations, medical and psychological facts, and two young Jews'
>personal narratives about coming out." 
>
>1987) Matt, Hershel J. "Homosexual Rabbis?" _Conservative Judaism_ 39,
>
>no. 3 (1987):29-33. "Matt calls for the complete rejection of
>traditional Jewish teaching and supports the ordination of gays and
>lesbians as rabbis."
>
>1988) Kirschner, Robert. "Judaism and Homosexuality: A Reappraisal." 
>_Judaism_ 37, no. 4 (Fall 1988): 450-58. "Kirscher argues that... 
>halakhic creativity should be used to suspend the application of
>traditional Jewish law.... with homosexuals therefore being fully
>accepted and integrated in Jewish communal life."
>
>Along with the landmark articles presented, this book also presents a 
>handy list of Jewish/"Gay" Organizations. Here are a few of the more 
>renowned ones:
>
>1) "Ameinu," New York --a network of lesbians and gay men working 
>professionally in the Jewish community. 
>2) "New Jewish Agenda," New York --provides gay educational resources,
>and "work-shops" on the topic of "homophobia." [It is not irrational
>to fear a people who predominately carry a deadly, contagious
>disease.] 
>3) "World Congress of Gay and Lesbian Jewish Organizations,"
>Washington.
> 4) "Jewish Lesbian Daughters of Holocaust Survivors." 
>5) "Union of American Hebrew Congregations," New York. On the back of
>the book, the Rabbi President of this organization is quoted as
>follows:
>"[This book] reveals... that we are not so immune to the very 
>process of stigmatization by which we as Jews have been shunned and 
>persecuted and  massacred. We have not extended our embrace to include
>gay and lesbian Jews, affirming that we ALL are family, that they and
>their relatives are  OUR sons, OUR sisters, OUR neighbors, OUR fellow
>Jews..."
>
>Many of the contributors to this book were Rabbis, who were ordained
>at Hebrew Union College, and who went on to work at various synagogues
>
>throughout the U.S. --despite being women, and despite being in
>homosexual relationships. Here is a list of some of the exclusively
>"Gay"/Lesbian synagogues mentioned:
>
>Mishkan Shalom (Pennsylvania), Congregation Beth Chayim Chadashim (Los
>
>Angeles), Gongregation Beth Israel (Pennsylvania), Reconstructionist 
>Rabbinical College (Philadelphia), Beth Ahavah (Philadelphia). 
>
>In addition to this, the book gives examples of Jewish/"Gay"
>literature:
>
>-Beck, Evelyn Torton, ed. "Nice Jewish Girls: A Lesbian Anthology."
>"The first to affirm the uniqueness and variety of Jewish lesbian
>experience."
>
>-Bloch, Alice. "The Law of Return." About an American woman living in 
>Israel, "exploring her Jewishness while also claiming her voice as a 
>woman and a lesbian." 
>
>-"Coming Out, Coming Home: Lesbian and Gay Jews and the Jewish 
>Community." New York: New Jewish Agenda 1987.
>
>-Fierstein, Harvey. "Torch Song Trilogy." Former broadway play about
>the "triumphs" and "tragedies" of a gay Jewish drag queen. 
>
>-Geller, Ruth. "Triangles." Based on the life of the Jewish/lesbian 
>author's grandmother.
>
>-Glickman, Gary. "Years from Now." Describes three generations of a 
>Jewish family, seen in part through the eyes of the gay grandson.
>
>-Kay/Kantrowitz, Melanie, and Irena Kepfisz, eds. "The Tribe of Dina: 
>Jewish Women's Anthology." Lesbian feminist journal.
>
>-Newman, Leslea. "A Letter to Harvey Milk." Nine short stories about a
>
>Jewish lesbian's friends, relationships, and families.
>
>-"Out of Our Kitchen Closets: San Francisco Gay Jewish Cooking." 
>Published by the congregations Sha'ar Zahav. "...includes a history of
>
>this gay and lesbian congregation, as well as warm and wonderful
>stories of family recipes." 
>
>-Rich, Adrienne. "Blood, Bread and Poetry." She "has published many
>work that illuminate her... unique Jewish lesbian-feminist
>perspective." 
>
>-Silverstein, Charles. "A Family Matter: A Parent's Guide to 
>Homosexuality." "...the first to address this issue in an informative,
>
>sympathetic and respectful manner." [another Jewish crusader against
>tradition!]
>
>Here are some of the people listed as contributors to "Twice Blessed",
>
>along with their "qualifications." This list of Jewish individuals
>active in Feminist, Socialist, "Gay"/Lesbian, and other causes, not to
>mention teaching at schools, and leading non-"gay" congregations
>should give you some idea of the extent of the problem
>we face in eliminating the homosexual threat:
>
>-Adina Abramowitz, lesbian, active in a newly formed synagogue in 
>Pennsylvania, directs small business loan fund.
>
>-Martha A. Ackelsberg, professor of government at Smith College,
>founder of Jewish feminist group Ezrat Nashim and of B'Not Esh.
>
>-Rebecca T. Alpert, rabbi, Reconstructionist Rabbinical College,
>served as DEAN OF STUDENTS for two years. Member of B'Not Esh.
>Published widely in Jewish history, medical ethics, Feminism. 
>
>-Evelyn Torton Beck, professor/director, Women's studies program, 
>professor Jewish studies at University of Maryland. Editor of "Nice 
>Jewish Girls: A Lesbian anthology." Wrote: "Kafka and the Yiddish
>Theater," "The Prism of Sex."
>
>-Paul Horowitz, Bar Mitzvah at an Orthodox synagogue, member of United
>
>Synagogue Youth, spent summers at secular socialist Camp Kinder-Ring
>of the Workmen's Circle; an activist in antiwar, feminist, and gay
>liberation movements, his writing has appeared in Out/Look, the
>lesbian/gay quarterly, and NACLA's Report on the Americas. He is a
>member of the New Jewish Agenda and Democratic Socialists of America. 
>
>-Lesley M. Silversone, graduate of HUC, program directory of Temple 
>Menorah in California. Presently working on a new textbook for primary
>
>grades for the Union of American Hebrew Congregations.
>
>-Felice Yeskel, social change activist, works as an organizational 
>development consultant and human relations trainer for Diversity
>Works, Inc. with a variety of groups, including small businesses,
>religious and educational  institutions, social service agencies, and
>community groups. --helping  groups to deal with "cultural
>difference." [--to swallow the multicultural agenda] 
>
>-Alan D. Zamochnick, president of Beth Ahavah --Philadephia's "gay"
>and lesbian synagogue, AIDS Project coordinator for a federal civil
>rights agency. 
>
>-Christie Balka, activist, has written and spoken on Middle East
>issues, feminism, and lesbian gay issues. Served as national co-chair
>of New Jewish Agenda,associate director of Shalom Center. Active in
>local Jewish community and serves on her synagogue board. 
>
>-Andy Rose, social worker, community activist, has worked in many
>Jewish  institutions, including with children. Founding member,
>national co-chair of New Jewish Agenda. Co-ordinates Jewish
>communities AIDS project in San Francisco. Also serves on the UAHC
>AIDS Committee and is a board member of the AIDS National Interfaith
>Network.
>
>There are more, much more...
>
>
>
>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:39:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>
>>On 6 Nov 1997 05:06:18 GMT, kmacneil@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kevin MacNeil)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Geoff Casey  writes:
>>>
>>>[. . . ]
>>>
>>>]       Let's not continue to encourage a lifestyle that sees an early death
>>>] for homosexual men (43 years about with or without AIDS) and a very high
>>>] suicide rate.  I think it is 6 x the average.
>>>
>>>The suicide rate among gays is high because homophobic people like you
>>>turn them into social outcasts for living in a way which may well be
>>>innate and therefore not subject to change for the sake of convenience. 
>>>Have you thought of that?
>>
>>
>>The suicide rate is so high, because the perverts prefer to kill
>>themselves and each other, by engaging in an unnatural, dangerous
>>lifestyle.
>>
>>The ONLY CURE FOR FAGGOTS, IS INSTANT CREMATION!!



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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:26:48 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:22:55 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:13:27 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>Is this any more different than the documented fact that 300,000 JEWS
>>>were involved with the Wehrmacht, up to and including JEW generals,
>>>working for Hitler??
>>>
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>>> > sperati wrote:
>>>
>>>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > > Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> > > From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>> > > Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>>> > > From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> > > that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> > > ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> > > group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>>> > > The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> > > titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>> > > appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> > > to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> > > >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> > > North Shore News
>>>> > > February 2, 1997
>>>
>>>> > > Insights from abroad
>>>> > > Doug Collins
>>>
>>>> > > TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> > > that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>>> > > When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> > > served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>>> > > The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> > > about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>>
>>>> > > There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> > > was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> > > transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>> > > married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> > > generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>>> > > Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> > > Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> > > more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>>> > > Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> > > in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> > > alive.
>>>
>>>> > > Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> > > father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>>
>>>> > > Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> > > whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> > > the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>>> > > The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> > > Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> > > he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> > > and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> > > documents in the process.
>>>
>>>> > > The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> > > Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> > > could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>> > > the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>>
>>>> > > He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>> > > about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> > > ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>>
>>>> > > Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>> > > used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> > > Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> > > what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>>> > > British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> > > international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> > > produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> > > Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>>> > > Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> > > Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> > > was a Jew.
>>>
>>>> > > Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> > > full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> > > one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>>> > > But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> > > Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> > > knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> > > term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>>> > > After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> > > the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> > > Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> > > Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> > > plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> > > and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> > > and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> > > to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>>> > > All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> > > able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> > > wonder why?
>>>
>>>> > > ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> > > right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> > > the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> > > necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>> > If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>> > definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>> > their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Phillips
>>>
>>>There is one very significant omission: I believe that Reinhard
>>>Heydrich,
>>>head of the SD (intelligence arm of the SS) was partly Jewish. As you
>>>said, there were complex rules pertaining to persons of mixed race
>>>thaat
>>>depended on the degree of mixture.
>>>===========
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:13:54 -0600, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest
>>>Slepokura) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <898579884snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article <358ea2c7.30351215@news.erols.com>
>>>>>            davic@erols.com "David Goldman" writes:
>>>>> > >> The people who collaborated with the Nazis were the Arabs.. Remember the
>>>>> > >> mufti of Jerusalem.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Nazi Zionist collaboration is thoroughly documented; there was an article
>>>>> in about 1980 in History Today (I've got it somewhere) by a Jewish historian
>>>>> Jacob Boas which covered the Nazi sponsorship of a Zionist expedition to
>>>>> Palestine; there was a special medal struck which had a swastika on one
>>>>> side and a Magan David on the other. It appears that the Nazis changed their
>>>>> mind with typical pragmatic hypocrisy when they needed Arab support come the
>>>>> war, although there is no doubt that there was a genuine friendship between
>>>>> the Arab nationalists and the National Socialists.
>>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>>Orest Slepokura:
>>>
>>>>There were many instances of such collaboration. Take the case of Dr.
>>>>Joachim Prinz, a Zionist rabbi. In 1934, Dr. Prinz published a book
>>>>entiled *Wir Juden* 
>>>>(We, Jews) wherein he hailed Hitler's rise to power. Seems he viewed this as a
>>>>defeat for liberalism and, hence, a very good outcome for Jews. 
>>>
>>>>"[T]he fortunes of liberalism are lost," he wrote gleefully. "The only
>>>>form of political life which has helped Jewish assimilation is sunk." See:
>>>
>>>>The victory of Nazism ruled out assimilation and mixed marriages as an
>>>>option for Jews. Said Prinz: "We are not unhappy about this." 
>>>
>>>>His book contained a lot of unblushing praise for Nazi ideology.
>>>
>>>>Later on, Dr. Prinz emigrated to the United States, where he eventually became
>>>>a vice-chairman of the World Jewish Congress and a leading figure in the World
>>>>Zionist Organization. 
>>>
>>>>Apparently, he was also quite good friends with Golda Meir.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Aug 1998 22:03:13 GMT, kaszubik@aol.com (Kaszubik) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
Subject: Re: ZYCLON B SOLD BY JEWISH COMPANY TO NAZIS
>>>>>From: Alexander Sharon 
>>>>>Date: Sun, Aug 9, 1998 13:47 EDT
>>>>>Message-id: <35CDE0C8.511620EF@cadvision.com>
>>>
>>>>>Kaszubik wrote the truth again:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>>>> A little known fact is that a Jewish business in New York City produced
>>>>>Zyclon
>>>>>> B and sold it to Germany where it sold as a commodity. What this means is
>>>>>that
>>>>>> we have yet another example of MURDER FOR PROFIT (of their own people!). We
>>>>>> already know who murdered Jesus Christ, that can not be disputed. Let me
>>>>>ask
>>>>>> you: Why are so many Jewish doctors involved with partial-birth abortions?
>>>>>That
>>>>>> is the new Holocaust on the rest of the world. I know the holocaust took
>>>>>place,
>>>>>> I don't doubt that. It is indeed a tragic period in history for us Poles.
>>>
>>>>>It appears that another imbecile has joined the noble ranks of the town
>>>>>idiots of
>>>>>scp.
>>>
>>>>KK>Please take a deep breath and relax. I realize that the truth must be almost
>>>>too much for you to deal with. 
>>>
>>>>>Welcome aboard wanker.
>>>>>And what bothers you?
>>>>Are you trying to hide your family murky past during
>>>>>WWII by
>>>>>"exposing" Jewish attrocities?
>>>
>>>>KK> I have cousins who were murdered at Stutthof but they didn't deserve it.
>>>>The legacy and atrocities of the jews is well known already. Your reaction
>>>>clearly shows the guilt in which the jews can hardly contain and is eating away
>>>>at their minds. 
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Alexander Sharon
>>>
>>>>KK> Perhaps Aleksander Zydowicz in older times? 



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:23:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments. 
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
>>
>>(...)
>>
>>.............................................
>>                                                                          
>>                                                                          
>>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com



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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:07:40 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:06:52 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>> 
>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." 
>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> North Shore News
>>>> February 2, 1997
>>>> 
>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>> Doug Collins
>>>> 
>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>> 
>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> wonder why?
>>
>>	Actually Riggs 'study' was reported in the L.A.Times and in some
>>Texas newspapers were he is from. To set and maintain the record, here
>>is a report on the L.A.Times version posted to alt.revisionism at the
>>time. The reason it found it's way into so many papers is because the
>>subject is supposed to portray the Jews as awesome military heroes.
>>Rigg's study is more the result of fantasy than academic research. It
>>was said he might write a book or something, but then don't count on
>>it. It ain't happened yet. It would expose his stuff to verification
>>and he (they) are relying on people holding the notions just from what
>>was in the newspapers.
>>
>>	Intitially posted under "Super Jews in Hitler's Army".
>>
>>	              "The Jews in Hitler's Military"
>>
>>                       L.A.Times, Dec. 24, 1996
>>
>>"A young American is 
>>documenting the stories 
>>of Hundreds of German 
>>veterans of Jewish descent. 
>>Many lost family to the 
>>Holocaust while serving the 
>>Nazi regime."
>>
>>LONDON--"Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>mission, American Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no
>>man's land of Holocaust history.
>>	Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish descent ... who
>>served ...during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million
>>Jews. 
>>	'Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the
>>Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the military but at the same time
>>exterminated their families.'
>>	On a heady journey of personal and professional discovery, the 25
>>year old Texan ... interviewed more than 300 of these veterans ...
>>Passed along from one old soldier to another, he has crisscrossed
>>Germany 4 times ...
>>	Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1200
>>of Hilter's soldiers including two field marshalls and 10 generals,
>>men commanding up to 100,000, ..."
>>
>>[ That and the next line is the beginning of the real motive for the
>>story and why it would find it's way into the L.A.Times, the Judeo
>>supremacy publication. ]
>>
>>"In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the
>>Knight's Cross, Germany's highest honor, he said."
>>
>>	"This fall, Rigg, Yale '96, arrived at England Cambridge
>>University ... lugging his clothes ... documentation ... Jonathan
>>Steinberg, Cambridge historian, read Rigg's files and hurried to find
>>a safe place for them.
>>
>>[[ Here we have a Jewish holding to the papers as dear. This would
>>indicate he thought they had something beneficial. ]]
>> 
>>	Along the way, Rigg, who is of German extraction and was raised
>>as a Protestant, has discovered that he too has Jewish ancestry. Like
>>many of the families he has visited, Rigg had distant relatives who
>>were killed for being Jewish--and others who died fighting in battle
>>for Nazi Germany."
>>
>>[ I would say if Rigg's was confronted with a demand to stand
>>accountable to show his Jewish ancestry and to prove any events they
>>lived through it would result in some real embarrassment. Its all too
>>pat.
>>
>>One of the more obvious points of this article reveals the racial
>>aspect of Judaism. ]
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>	The article being more than a half page long I will just cite the
>>relevant parts that throw suspicion on the accounts, the racist
>>connection and the reason it found it's way into the L.A.Times - to
>>hype Jewish supremacy.
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>	"Many of the men Rigg meets cling to Nazi terminology, describing
>>themselves as half Jewish, half German."
>>
>>[ Here we have the term "half Jewish" being designated "Nazi
>>terminology" when in fact it is a term used by Jews themselves and has
>>been referred to many times in medias and even movies. Not to mention
>>it is used to designate the racial status of any one else, 'half
>>Black', 'half Irish', etc.
>>
>>The article does not lead to any evidential conclusion that any of the
>>Germans are half Jewish. It seems more like they would be quarter or
>>even eighth Jewish. ]
>>	   		
>>	"One of his discoveries was a 1944 German document listing 77
>>high ranking officers 'of mixed Jewish race or married to a Jew'. Two
>>generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals and 23
>>colonels."
>>
>>[ It doesn't say how many were of "Jewish race" or how many were those
>>who were connected by marriage so we are to assume all of them. ]
>>
>>	"'I don't think it ever occurred to go to a general's personal
>>file to see if he was Jewish', said Steinberg".
>>
>>[ Not bothering to consider the ones that were just married to a Jew.]
>>
>>
>>	"... Hitler loathed Jews, but he also needed experienced
>>commanders and fighters". 
>>
>>[ So under the circumstances, there just wasn't enough to draw from
>>the measly German genetic stock for "experienced" "commanders" and
>>"fighters". ]
>>
>>	"He (Rigg's) said there were at least a dozen exception lists
>>approved by Hitler--naming ranking officials not only in the armed
>>forces but in the civilian administration that worked with military.
>>One German civilian of Jewish heritage ..."
>>
>>[ "One ,,,"  "German civilian" of "Jewish heritage"? ]
>>
>>	....
>>
>>	"In interviews and research in Germany this month, Rigg found
>>still more Wehrmacht officers of Jewish descent ..." 
>>
>>[ More "officers" of Jewish "decent".  Another thing that is evident
>>in the article is glorifying Jewish descent as if it was the only
>>descent of value to speak of. We can take note that the ones found on
>>the list are "officers". ]
>>
>>	....
>>
>>	"One Knight's Cross winner was reunited with his Jewish father in
>>England ..."
>>
>>[ This is the first of three or four times the article mentions
>>"Jewish father". No where does it mention a Jewish mother, which is a
>>necessary technicality in the Jewish race to be rated a Jew. In fact
>>the only name mentioned in the whole article as being high ranking is
>>Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who had a Jewish father".]
>>
>>	"Rigg also brought to light to folklore surrounding the
>>derring-do rescue ... Rigg has identified him as bayonet scarred,
>>bemedaled, Maj. Ernst Bloch ... whose father was Jewish."
>>
>>[ The significance here of course is the "... derring-do ... Jewish
>>father" connection.]
>>
>>	....
>>
>>	"About 100,000 Jews served in the German army in World War I, and
>>about 12,000 of them were killed."
>>
>>	[ Now here would be very good place to start to look into Rigg's
>>project. Here we have "100,000" Jews said to have served in the German
>>army during World War I whereas Holocaust accounts have it that only
>>300,000 Jews, all together, were in Germany prior to World War II.
>>Considering the age, sex aspect of any particular people, we would
>>have to recognize that if there were 100,000 German Jews fighting in
>>WWII there would be at least a million in all. It is so typical with
>>Holocaust/Jewish propaganda to have their facts and figures step all
>>over each other. Whatever, this is a real blunder. ]
>>
>>	(The WWI) "...Veterans thought their service would protect them
>>against the Nazi crackdown ... When the transports came ... Some even
>>went to the gas chamber with their medals on."
>>
>>[ Okay, we see again we have a heroic lot here with "medals". How
>>Rigg's came to find out how any of them went to the gas chambers, much
>>less with their medals on should be very interesting. Especially since
>>he says "some". If he had said 'one' this is something we could accept
>>as being in the realm of a possibility, but with the "some", well too
>>wayout. This is another one of those wacky yarns like all the rest of
>>the Holocaust eyewitness testimonies, which we must assume would be
>>the source for Rigg's blurt. 
>>
>>Since Holocaust accounts have the people were made to strip naked, we
>>can muse over how the heroic Jews came to still have their medals on.
>>
>>How did Riggs come to get involved with the project? ]] 
>>
>>	"Rigg's quest began at Yale, when he started researching his
>>family history in Germany. First he learned that his
>>great-grandparents, who arrived as Protestants, had been born in
>>Germany as Jews."
>>
>>[ Since then he has focused his identity on the two Jews from a
>>hundred years ago, and nothing in between seems to matter. Is it fact?
>>Who knows. ]
>>
>>	"Then one night in 1992, he went to see 'Europa, Europa', a film
>>about a Jewish adolescent who hid out in the German army during World
>>War II. After the movie, Rigg's struck a conversation with an elderly
>>German Jew... and he listened until morning"
>> 
>>[ Now there we have a revealing particular of how he came to be
>>involved. The old man stayed up all night? ] 
>>	  
>>	So far it seems Rigg's has not written a book on the subject or
>>released any details of his story, so the world will have to wait
>>before anyone can go over the routes of his research. And perhaps
>>there may never be any. There are just to many problems to cover up
>>with this latest bravado.
>>
>>	On top of it all the Judeo/Holocaust propaganda is further
>>compromised when trying to fit all the talk about "Jewish", "field
>>marshalls", "generals" and medal winners in with something like Daniel
>>Goldhagen's book, 'Ordinary Germans, Hitler's Willing Executioners"
>>which strives to show all the Germans, and especially high ranking
>>military people knew about and willingly contributed to the
>>exterminations of millions of Jews.
>>     
>>	It's funny how Holocaust accounts stampede all over themselves
>>and all over each other.	
>>
>>	In another twist, this article and thus Rigg's, seem to strive to
>>show and glorify Jews by claiming high position and heroic
>>accomplishment in the very German machine the Holocaust story works so
>>hard at portraying as evil.
>>
>>	Well, when it comes to selling Jewish supremacy, anything goes.
>>
>>	When looking at the picture of Rigg's, I can see blind ambition,
>>the boy next door, and I think of that long talk he had into the wee
>>hours of the morning with the German Jew.
>>
>>	If ever Rigg's does publish a paper with documentation to support
>>his claims of the awesome heroics it will be subject to investigation.
>>And, if he never does publish a paper for public scrutiny we can
>>wonder about that. ]] 



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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:26:48 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:22:55 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:13:27 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>Is this any more different than the documented fact that 300,000 JEWS
>>>were involved with the Wehrmacht, up to and including JEW generals,
>>>working for Hitler??
>>>
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>>> > sperati wrote:
>>>
>>>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > > Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> > > From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>> > > Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>>> > > From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> > > that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> > > ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> > > group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>>> > > The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> > > titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>> > > appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> > > to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> > > >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> > > North Shore News
>>>> > > February 2, 1997
>>>
>>>> > > Insights from abroad
>>>> > > Doug Collins
>>>
>>>> > > TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> > > that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>>> > > When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> > > served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>>> > > The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> > > about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>>
>>>> > > There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> > > was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> > > transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>> > > married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> > > generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>>> > > Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> > > Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> > > more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>>> > > Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> > > in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> > > alive.
>>>
>>>> > > Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> > > father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>>
>>>> > > Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> > > whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> > > the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>>> > > The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> > > Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> > > he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> > > and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> > > documents in the process.
>>>
>>>> > > The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> > > Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> > > could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>> > > the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>>
>>>> > > He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>> > > about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> > > ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>>
>>>> > > Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>> > > used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> > > Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> > > what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>>> > > British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> > > international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> > > produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> > > Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>>> > > Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> > > Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> > > was a Jew.
>>>
>>>> > > Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> > > full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> > > one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>>> > > But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> > > Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> > > knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> > > term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>>> > > After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> > > the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> > > Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> > > Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> > > plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> > > and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> > > and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> > > to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>>> > > All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> > > able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> > > wonder why?
>>>
>>>> > > ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> > > right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> > > the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> > > necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>> > If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>> > definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>> > their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Phillips
>>>
>>>There is one very significant omission: I believe that Reinhard
>>>Heydrich,
>>>head of the SD (intelligence arm of the SS) was partly Jewish. As you
>>>said, there were complex rules pertaining to persons of mixed race
>>>thaat
>>>depended on the degree of mixture.
>>>===========
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:13:54 -0600, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest
>>>Slepokura) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <898579884snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article <358ea2c7.30351215@news.erols.com>
>>>>>            davic@erols.com "David Goldman" writes:
>>>>> > >> The people who collaborated with the Nazis were the Arabs.. Remember the
>>>>> > >> mufti of Jerusalem.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Nazi Zionist collaboration is thoroughly documented; there was an article
>>>>> in about 1980 in History Today (I've got it somewhere) by a Jewish historian
>>>>> Jacob Boas which covered the Nazi sponsorship of a Zionist expedition to
>>>>> Palestine; there was a special medal struck which had a swastika on one
>>>>> side and a Magan David on the other. It appears that the Nazis changed their
>>>>> mind with typical pragmatic hypocrisy when they needed Arab support come the
>>>>> war, although there is no doubt that there was a genuine friendship between
>>>>> the Arab nationalists and the National Socialists.
>>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>>Orest Slepokura:
>>>
>>>>There were many instances of such collaboration. Take the case of Dr.
>>>>Joachim Prinz, a Zionist rabbi. In 1934, Dr. Prinz published a book
>>>>entiled *Wir Juden* 
>>>>(We, Jews) wherein he hailed Hitler's rise to power. Seems he viewed this as a
>>>>defeat for liberalism and, hence, a very good outcome for Jews. 
>>>
>>>>"[T]he fortunes of liberalism are lost," he wrote gleefully. "The only
>>>>form of political life which has helped Jewish assimilation is sunk." See:
>>>
>>>>The victory of Nazism ruled out assimilation and mixed marriages as an
>>>>option for Jews. Said Prinz: "We are not unhappy about this." 
>>>
>>>>His book contained a lot of unblushing praise for Nazi ideology.
>>>
>>>>Later on, Dr. Prinz emigrated to the United States, where he eventually became
>>>>a vice-chairman of the World Jewish Congress and a leading figure in the World
>>>>Zionist Organization. 
>>>
>>>>Apparently, he was also quite good friends with Golda Meir.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Aug 1998 22:03:13 GMT, kaszubik@aol.com (Kaszubik) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
Subject: Re: ZYCLON B SOLD BY JEWISH COMPANY TO NAZIS
>>>>>From: Alexander Sharon 
>>>>>Date: Sun, Aug 9, 1998 13:47 EDT
>>>>>Message-id: <35CDE0C8.511620EF@cadvision.com>
>>>
>>>>>Kaszubik wrote the truth again:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>>>> A little known fact is that a Jewish business in New York City produced
>>>>>Zyclon
>>>>>> B and sold it to Germany where it sold as a commodity. What this means is
>>>>>that
>>>>>> we have yet another example of MURDER FOR PROFIT (of their own people!). We
>>>>>> already know who murdered Jesus Christ, that can not be disputed. Let me
>>>>>ask
>>>>>> you: Why are so many Jewish doctors involved with partial-birth abortions?
>>>>>That
>>>>>> is the new Holocaust on the rest of the world. I know the holocaust took
>>>>>place,
>>>>>> I don't doubt that. It is indeed a tragic period in history for us Poles.
>>>
>>>>>It appears that another imbecile has joined the noble ranks of the town
>>>>>idiots of
>>>>>scp.
>>>
>>>>KK>Please take a deep breath and relax. I realize that the truth must be almost
>>>>too much for you to deal with. 
>>>
>>>>>Welcome aboard wanker.
>>>>>And what bothers you?
>>>>Are you trying to hide your family murky past during
>>>>>WWII by
>>>>>"exposing" Jewish attrocities?
>>>
>>>>KK> I have cousins who were murdered at Stutthof but they didn't deserve it.
>>>>The legacy and atrocities of the jews is well known already. Your reaction
>>>>clearly shows the guilt in which the jews can hardly contain and is eating away
>>>>at their minds. 
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Alexander Sharon
>>>
>>>>KK> Perhaps Aleksander Zydowicz in older times? 



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramat