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From TJNYE@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jul 16 00:17:15 PDT 1996
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From: TJNYE@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Tim Nye)
Subject: Re: Grosvenor: Professional Integrity?
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In article  acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>Whoever the maggot Mok may be, I doubt that he has any qualifications 
>whatsoever,unless he may be one of the undesirable immigrants.

Speaking of "undesirable immigrants", that reminds me of an article from 
_Alberta Report_, which even William Grosvenor considers to be a respected 
news magazine:

	"Master of Malice: The Ghermezians put an end to Bill Grosvenor's '
	news tips'"  ALBERTA REPORT, July 3, 1989, Pg. 19-20. By Tom Philip 
	and Glenn Kubish

	[...]
	The Ghermezians backed their application for the gag order with 
	stories from Alberta Report and the West German newspaper Die Zeit.  
	Alberta Report has also obtained numerous letters, court documents, 
	newspaper articles - even Grosvenor's own resume - dating back to 
	1970, revealing that Grosvenor, 48, has a criminal record for 
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	assault and extortion, that he was diagnosed at Riverview 
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	Psychiatric Hospital in British Columbia in 1973 as suffering from a 
	paranoid personality disorder, and that his harassment of the 
	Ghermezians is only the latest in a 20-year series of vendettas 
	against corporations and individuals, including leading figures of 
	the British Columbia legislature and judiciary.  The documents also 
	reveal a remarkable willingness on the part of some newspapers to 
	accept Grosvenor at face value.  The Edmonton Journal, in 
	particular, has described him over the years as a "consultant," an "
	import-export consultant" and "president of an international 
	management consulting firm," lending Grosvenor a credibility which 
	his history shows is not deserved.
	[...]
	Grosvenor dropped out of sight during the mid-1970s, during which 
	time he claims to have been a consultant, "processed for top secret 
	and military security clearance," to the prime minister of 
	Malaysia.  In 1980 he surfaced in Edmonton where he threatened to 
	sue the city for $200 when a tent belonging to a Malaysian cultural 
	group with which he was associated blew down in a storm during the 
	city's Heritage Days festival.  
	[...]

(The rest of this article, plus a couple of others can be found on the web 
at http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/grosvenor.william
in the file "background-grosvenor".)

How interesting.  William Grosvenor (who claims to currently hold a British 
passport -- i.e., he's a foreigner) re-immigrated to Canada around 1980 
*with* a criminal record.

So just how does Mr. Grosvenor feel about immigrants with criminal records?
Ironically, if you check his web page (the one which includes a constitution 
for his new 'country', Grosvenor-Reich), he lists his immigration policy:

	IMMIGRATION will be strictly regulated. Only persons useful to 
	the economy of Western Canada will be admitted. Criminals, so-called 
	economic refugees, those unable to support themselves, those with 
	AIDS, and those expected to be a drain on the taxpayers will not be 
	admitted. Sponsors of immigrants will be required to deposit a 
	substantial cash bond with the Government for 10 years, to cover any 
	costs should the sponsored immigrant ever become a cost to 
	taxpayers. In fact, those costing taxpayers while not yet a citizen 
	should be deported to their country of origin.

"Criminals... will not be admitted."  Sounds like Mr. Grosvenor must classify
himself as an "undesirable immigrant", and would not even qualify for entry 
into his own 'country' to boot.

The last sentence is also interesting:	"In fact, those costing taxpayers 
while not yet a citizen should be deported to their country of origin."  I 
wonder just who pays the bills at the Riverview	Psychiatric Hospital in 
British Columbia?

>That he would contact CGA Head Office, just to confirm that Grosvenor is 
>a CGa shows how incompetetnt Mok is,but what can one expect of a 
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>functionally illiterate attendee at U of A?
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'Nuff said?

>All he had to do was was go to any library and read the membership list 
>book, published annually by CGA. I guess that Mok, or Muck, or whatever 
>is so illiterate, he can't even read!!!

Ah, but don't forget that membership status can change at any time (and 
sounds like it might in this case), and that would not be reflected in the 
print directory until the next edition.  Obviously, calling was the prudent 
thing to do.

>I suggest that all of you read the latest article,featured in excerpts, 
>published recently by the Red Deer Advocate,and even featured by CFRN 
>TV,regarding the arrest on 14 serious criminal charges of the Past 
>President of CGA Alberta, William L. Mearns!!!

According to you, one of your main grievances against Mr. Mearns is that he 
allowed 'unqualified bookkeepers' to become CGAs.  Is this the reason you 
are so upset with the CGA association?  His getting caught means that your 
qualifications and membership might be reviewed?

>That businesses do not list themselves in the phone book is no crime. 
>That is why there are unlisted numbers, stupid Muck.

Legitimate, retail-oriented businesses not advertising and keeping unlisted 
numbers.  Check.

>I guess a "feileu" such as Muck has to try and get attention,any way he 
>can,since he obviously is not a business owner,or even a worker.

s/Muck/Grosvenor/

(s means 'substitute')

BTW, you still haven't answered any of Ken McVay's questions, Mr. Grosvenor.

Tim



From TJNYE@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Sat Jul 20 10:05:07 PDT 1996
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From: TJNYE@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Tim Nye)
Subject: Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH CGA CANADA?? -- William Grosvenor
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In article <4sooss$6d1@gate.ei.educ.ab.ca> Todd Burge  writes:

>Why the STUPID Canadian dig? Are you impying that all canadians are 
>stupid? While I  do agree that It is an individuals choice to make a bad 
>decision, I do not think it is neccessary to LABEL Canadians as STUPID.

That's just William Grosvenor's (a.k.a. acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca) way 
of expressing envy of Canadians, something he will never be.  

If you read through his posts on immigration issues (you can find links to 
archived posts at http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/g/grosvenor.william), 
you'll see that he regularly rants about "criminal immigrants" entering 
Canada.  Just the kind of thing you'd expect from a super-patriotic law-
abiding citizen, right?

But guess who happens to be a criminal immigrant himself?  That's right --  
William Grosvenor.  

It turns out that he originally came to Canada in the mid-1960s, picked up a 
couple of criminal convictions for assault and extortion then left in the 
mid-1970s for southeast Asia.  He turned up back in Canada around 1980, 
entering Canada as a criminal immigrant.

Look back an iteration in the thread and you'll see where Grosvenor, a 
convicted criminal and foreigner, demanding that a citizen, i.e., me, be 
deported.  I guess you could say that when it comes to experience with 
stupidity, *nobody* is more qualified than William Grosvenor.

Interesting tangent: William Grosvenor immigrated to Canada not once but 
*twice*, and he is still here after having recently examining a number of 
other countries for emigration.  Since actions speak louder than words, the 
only conclusion we can draw is that William Grosvenor believes Canada is 
the *best* country in the world in which to live.

As for making bad decisions, the only bad decision someone could make around 
William Grosvenor is to give him any credibility -- remember, this is the 
man who Forbes magazine called a "roving fruitcake".  (text of the article 
is at http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/grosvenor.william in 
the file "background-grosvenor")

Tim




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