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Subject:      Re: Travel to Slovakia
From:         William Grosvenor 
Date:         1995/07/14
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I think that the Slovak Government has finally got fed up with all the
low-life types who were fouling up their tourist sites!!!

If tourists do not even have the cash or credit to afford $15 a day for
expenses,then they are not real tourists,but rather welfare bums.

The regulation did not say that you had to SPEND the $15 daily,but from
my experience in that part of the world,one could live moderately on
US$15 a day.

The Slovak government did provide for the use of credit cards,letters of
support from friends in the country and so on.

Quite frankly,I doubt that it will have much impact on North Americans.It
will reduce the numbers of Poles,Ukranians,Russians and the like who to
many Slovaks, were undesirables in any case.

Why not have similar rules for all cross border visitors even those
crossing the US-Canada borders?Except that we would have to use around
$100 daily as a reasonable cost factor.

Then we could keep out all the welfare bums and illegal workers from each
other's countries.


Let's really get some considered discussion going on the topic of whether
countries should have minimum cash requirements before allowing
foreigners to enter their borders.


William Grosvenor                       e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                           or: acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
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On Sat, 15 Jul 1995, Paul Hellander wrote:

> Jeepers! What is this load of retrograde nonsense???
>
> > ____________________________NOTE_______________________
> > Slovak Parliament just adopted a measure requiring foreigners to have
> > US$15 for every day they plan to spend in the country. If the visitor has
> > no cash, (s)he can show a credit card or an invitation from a Slovak
> > resident, a certificate that the person is attending a seminar, a spa
> > cure-program, and so on.
> > "The bad news is that the formulation of the law is pretty vague and too
> > much is left on the customs officers. It will only increase their
> > arrogance."
> >
> > Ivan
>
> Looks like the Slovakian authorities are hankering after the 'good' old days
> of communism when all communist states demanded that visitors exchange a
> minimum amount of foreign currency. I reckon that travellers in the area
> should give Slovakia a W I D E berth! We shall soon see if Slovakia has
> realised that it has shot itself in the foot ...
>
> Paul H
> --
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Subject:      Re: Travel to Slovakia
From:         William Grosvenor 
Date:         1995/07/16
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I am not sure why you are attacking me.To add insult to injury, I left
Britain because of prigs such as you.

I have visited the Czech Republic and Slovakia recently, and I applaud
their policies of trying to keep the riff raff out of their
countries.They have enough crime problems without importing more indigents.

In many countries,including the USA,Canada,and most of western Europe,if
you fail to have visible means of support at the border - consisting of
cash adequate for your stay,you are denied entry.

Since communism has failed,why should the rest of the world be providing
welfare to foreigners who enter their borders?That is the main reason for
implementing cash requirements of foreigners,which quite frankly makes sense.

Let's hear from some more people,whether in the uSa, G.B> or elesewhere.
Should your country bar entry to people who don't have enough money with
them to pay for their stay?Is $15 a day enough,or should it be
more,particularly in most of the civilised world?


William Grosvenor                       e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                           or: acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5                           phone: 403-475-5555

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On Sun, 16 Jul 1995, D CARROLL wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jul 1995, William Grosvenor wrote:
>
> >Quite frankly,I doubt that it will have much impact on North Americans.It
> >will reduce the numbers of Poles,Ukranians,Russians and the like who to
> >many Slovaks, were undesirables in any case.
>
> >Why not have similar rules for all cross border visitors even those
> >crossing the US-Canada borders?Except that we would have to use around
> >$100 daily as a reasonable cost factor.
>
> I just wish there was some way of keeping ignorant and arrogant North
> Americans such as yourself from fouling up tourist sites around the
> world with your presence.
>
> Your signature slogan lies ill at ease with your rather asinine comments.
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
>   __     __   ___             __   ____  <>  Electrical Engineering Dept.
>  /  \   /_   /__/  /\  /\    /  /   /    <>    University of Bradford
> /___/  /__  /  \  /  \/  \  /__/   /     <>            England
>

Subject:      Re: Travel to Slovakia
From:         William Grosvenor 
Date:         1995/07/17
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Surely the civilised world will include Western Europe,and most of North
and South America,most of South East Asia,as well as Australia,New
Zealand and Taiwan,Hong Kong and Japan.


William Grosvenor                       e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                            or: acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5                       phone: 403-475-5555

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On Mon, 17 Jul 1995, Aleksandra Golebiowska wrote:

> William Grosvenor wrote
>
> > Is $15 a day enough,or should it be more,particularly in most of the
> civilised world?
> >
>
> What is civilised world?
>
> Aleksandra Golebiowska
> algol@ciop.waw.pl
>

Subject:      Re: Travel to Slovakia
From:         William Grosvenor 
Date:         1995/07/18
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I am a professional businessman,and an owner of a travel agency among my
holdings.
It seems that some politically correct types seem to be offended by
certain true statements with which they personally disagree.
Since my comments related to TRAVEL,and the policies of sensible
governments as to whom they should admit,perhaps those critical will
confine themselves to comments about travel.

After all,will you be commenting next on the travel policies of Singapore
and malaysia,where it is an automatic death sentence for possession of
any drugs,even if you are white?


William Grosvenor                       e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                            or: acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5                       phone: 403-475-5555

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On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, Dale Stevens wrote:

> mr. grovensor is obviously a professional flamer. please...ignore him. he
> merely wants to incite trouble.      --dale in cinci
>

Subject:      Re: Travel to Slovakia
From:         William Grosvenor 
Date:         1995/07/18
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I do not understand your critical commentary.I have lived and worked,and
also operated many businesses in many countries on this earth.For you to
accuse me,whom you definitely do not know,of bigotry shows how ignorant
you are.That I am intolerant of some subhuman types,such as homosexuals
spreading AIDS was not mentioned in my comments regarding a State's legal
right to restrict admission across its' borders to those whom it
prefers,which is a right entrenched in international law,and in fact
recognised by all nations.


William Grosvenor                       e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                            or: acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5                       phone: 403-475-5555

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On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Floyd Campbell wrote:

> Mr Grosvenor;
>
> I feel compelled to make what i hope will be my final comments on your
> recent communications to travel-l
>
> I consider it unfortunate in the extreem to find such increadable, nasty,
> ignorant, bigotry in someone with your obvious privilages in life....
>
> So many people in this world crave the opportunity to travel to destinations
> you have sited........in order to LEARN from others...to aquire and
> contribute to a better understanding of the world in which we live...to
> contribute to an enhanced quality of life for themselves and the people they
> meet.
>
> I have observed your contribution to threads other than that on Slovakia and
> i believe you to be a horrible person to know.
>
> It would appear to me that the privilages, the opportunities to travel and
> to learn have been wasted on you and that for me is one of the major crimes
> of ones existsance, of ones life ...
>
> Its not too late for you sir...wake up,wake up and smell the coffee of
> objectivity about people that don't look or sound exactly like you do,or
> those with whom you normally associate.
>
> Try to understand that for many people the inequalities of this world means
> that they don't have the same acceses you do.
>
> Dispense with the sort of bigotry you have subjected us all to...Cease to
> advocate more misery for people in this world..you may find it a most
> interesting, satisfying alternative.
>
> The more of us who can achieve this ,the more welcome we will be as visitors
> to each others countries,the longer the world will be around to travel in.
>
> Good luck to you if you have the courage to do so...
>
> -end-
>
> F/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >I was born in central Europe,lived in many European Countries,have lived
> >and worked and owned businesses in many countries in South East Asia,as
> >well as the USA and Canada.
> >
> >I travel extensively,since I am the CEO of an international group of
> >companies,one of which is also a travel agency.
> >
> >My comments are based on my own experiences,having lived and worked all
> >over the world.
> >
> >Hopefully the above explanation is what you wanted?
> >
> >Regards,Bill.
> >
> >
> >William Grosvenor                       e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> >9208 - 137 Avenue                            or: acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
> >REDMONTON - Alberta
> >CANADA T5E 1Y5                       phone: 403-475-5555
> >
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> >
> >On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, B.Burak Cedetas wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Sir,
> >> I have read your definition of ~civilised world~. It is also given below.
> >> I seriously would like to know what type of profession you are in, how
> >> much of the world you have visited.  I would not like to miss this
> >> opportunity to get more of your wisdom.
> >>
> >> I guess you have visited the below listed countries and obviously you can
> >> supply us, the list members, with more helpfull informations.
> >>
> >> Thank you for taking your time
> >>
> >> Burak Cedetas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 Jul 1995, William Grosvenor wrote:
> >>
> >> > Surely the civilised world will include Western Europe,and most of North
> >> > and South America,most of South East Asia,as well as Australia,New
> >> > Zealand and Taiwan,Hong Kong and Japan.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > William Grosvenor                       e-mail:
> acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> >> > 9208 - 137 Avenue                            or:
> acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
> >> > REDMONTON - Alberta
> >> > CANADA T5E 1Y5                       phone: 403-475-5555
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 17 Jul 1995, Aleksandra Golebiowska wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > William Grosvenor wrote
> >> > >
> >> > > > Is $15 a day enough,or should it be more,particularly in most of the
> >> > > civilised world?
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > What is civilised world?
> >> > >
> >> > > Aleksandra Golebiowska
> >> > > algol@ciop.waw.pl
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Subject:      Re: Travel to Slovakia
From:         William Grosvenor 
Date:         1995/07/18
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I was born in central Europe,lived in many European Countries,have lived
and worked and owned businesses in many countries in South East Asia,as
well as the USA and Canada.

I travel extensively,since I am the CEO of an international group of
companies,one of which is also a travel agency.

My comments are based on my own experiences,having lived and worked all
over the world.

Hopefully the above explanation is what you wanted?

Regards,Bill.


William Grosvenor                       e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                            or: acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5                       phone: 403-475-5555

        INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE

On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, B.Burak Cedetas wrote:

> Dear Sir,
> I have read your definition of ~civilised world~. It is also given below.
> I seriously would like to know what type of profession you are in, how
> much of the world you have visited.  I would not like to miss this
> opportunity to get more of your wisdom.
>
> I guess you have visited the below listed countries and obviously you can
> supply us, the list members, with more helpfull informations.
>
> Thank you for taking your time
>
> Burak Cedetas
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 1995, William Grosvenor wrote:
>
> > Surely the civilised world will include Western Europe,and most of North
> > and South America,most of South East Asia,as well as Australia,New
> > Zealand and Taiwan,Hong Kong and Japan.
> >
> >
> > William Grosvenor                       e-mail:
 acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> > 9208 - 137 Avenue                            or:
 acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
> > REDMONTON - Alberta
> > CANADA T5E 1Y5                       phone: 403-475-5555
> >
> >         INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE
> >
> > On Mon, 17 Jul 1995, Aleksandra Golebiowska wrote:
> >
> > > William Grosvenor wrote
> > >
> > > > Is $15 a day enough,or should it be more,particularly in most of the
> > > civilised world?
> > > >
> > >
> > > What is civilised world?
> > >
> > > Aleksandra Golebiowska
> > > algol@ciop.waw.pl
> > >

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