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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:

(snip - about deporting the negroes after emancipation, which was the
second part of Lincoln's plan; he wasn't all for turning the country over
to a bunch of wild savages fresh from Africa)

> Because they wouldn't go and didn't want to go. Fredrick Douglas made
> real clear in his discussion with Linclon was that the negro
> considered themselves Americans.

And I don't blame him one bit.  After all, given the choice between
staying in America, or returning to the Stone Age savagery which was the
best the African could accomplish on his own, who can blame Douglas for
choosing as he did?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>His other point was, if one has to called superior to the other, he was in
>>favour of the White Race being called superior to the negro race.  Don't
>>neglect to mention that.
> 
> You have that quote? Present it please.

Just for you, dozy...

==========
>From  _The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln_, edited by Roy P. Basler,
Rutgers University Press, 1953

IN A DEBATE WITH STEPHEN DOUGLAS AT OTTAWA, ILLINOIS, AUGUST 21, 1858:

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the
White and black races.  There is a physical difference between the two
which in my judgment, will forever forbid their living together upon the
footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that
there must be a difference, I am in favor of the race to which I belong
having the superior position." - Vol. III, p. 16

=====

Happy?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:

(snip - about deporting the negroes after emancipation, which was the
second part of Lincoln's plan; he wasn't all for turning the country over
to a bunch of wild savages fresh from Africa)

> Because they wouldn't go and didn't want to go. Fredrick Douglas made
> real clear in his discussion with Linclon was that the negro
> considered themselves Americans.

And I don't blame him one bit.  After all, given the choice between
staying in America, or returning to the Stone Age savagery which was the
best the African could accomplish on his own, who can blame Douglas for
choosing as he did?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  1 18:12:05 PDT 1996
Article: 30595 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4ojqic$md9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :I think Ourobouros makes a good point:  why not adopt the practices of the
>   :Samoans and/or Polynesians?  After all, to refuse to do so is to actually
>   :ADMIT that they are not Good Things, and when one gets right down to it,
>   :liberals just CANNOT bring themselves to admit that non-whites were
>   :anything but pristine before getting screwed-up by the arrival of the
>   :Europeans.
> 
> Multiculturalism is not about adopting every culture, but recognizing and
> examining them.

But that's not all, though.  Once they've been "recogniz[ed]" and "examin[ed]",
they're inflicted on our children in school.

(snip)

> Simple. The mindset Ourobouros putports to answer did not exist until
> Ourobouros "answered" it.

Oh, bullroar.  Liberals wet their pants at the thought of getting everyone
to conform to their "multiculturalism", pally.  There's no "mindset" to
it:  you're granting it a dignity which it does NOT have.  There's just a
touchy-feely, nebulous "Well, I *KNOW* that mixing races is right!"
motivation behind "multiculturalism", which is just anti-White racism.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  1 18:12:06 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>His other point was, if one has to called superior to the other, he was in
>>favour of the White Race being called superior to the negro race.  Don't
>>neglect to mention that.
> 
> You have that quote? Present it please.

Just for you, dozy...

==========
>From  _The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln_, edited by Roy P. Basler,
Rutgers University Press, 1953

IN A DEBATE WITH STEPHEN DOUGLAS AT OTTAWA, ILLINOIS, AUGUST 21, 1858:

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the
White and black races.  There is a physical difference between the two
which in my judgment, will forever forbid their living together upon the
footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that
there must be a difference, I am in favor of the race to which I belong
having the superior position." - Vol. III, p. 16

=====

Happy?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  1 20:52:25 PDT 1996
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4oo0kg$11m@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip)

> * > You think _you_ hurt? How must your father have felt, having you for a son?
> * 
> * Actually, my father was quite proud of me.  Must burn your ass, eh?
> 
> Actually, since you lie about every other damn thing, you're probably
> lying here, too. 

Oh, no!  Crazy doesn't believe me!

Actually, Crazy, you know damn well that I don't lie.  Still, you must do
anything to save face, right?

> If your father truly knew what you believed and spewed as "fact",(sic)

He did.  I never felt the need to hide anything from him.  Of course,
unlike you liberals, I understand that one shouldn't rub another's nose in
one's own beliefs... in that way, you liberals are a lot like Jehovah's
Witnesses.

>... he couldn't have been proud of you *unless* you're a chip off of the old
> block.

Thanks for telling us how things MUST be in The World According to Garp.
  
(snip)

> * > Posted and emailed.
> * 
> * Ah, gawd, don't tell me you're starting this crap.
> *  
> * Les
> aka "Bucky, the bungalow-boy"

Typical liberal:  can't even come up with an original taunt.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  1 21:00:49 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4ojqic$md9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :I think Ourobouros makes a good point:  why not adopt the practices of the
>   :Samoans and/or Polynesians?  After all, to refuse to do so is to actually
>   :ADMIT that they are not Good Things, and when one gets right down to it,
>   :liberals just CANNOT bring themselves to admit that non-whites were
>   :anything but pristine before getting screwed-up by the arrival of the
>   :Europeans.
> 
> Multiculturalism is not about adopting every culture, but recognizing and
> examining them.

But that's not all, though.  Once they've been "recogniz[ed]" and "examin[ed]",
they're inflicted on our children in school.

(snip)

> Simple. The mindset Ourobouros putports to answer did not exist until
> Ourobouros "answered" it.

Oh, bullroar.  Liberals wet their pants at the thought of getting everyone
to conform to their "multiculturalism", pally.  There's no "mindset" to
it:  you're granting it a dignity which it does NOT have.  There's just a
touchy-feely, nebulous "Well, I *KNOW* that mixing races is right!"
motivation behind "multiculturalism", which is just anti-White racism.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  2 10:20:34 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Whiny union shit John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser Les Griswold, aka Bucky, has once again been asked a number of
> questions by Ken McVay, essentially asking for citations, evidence, etc.,
> to back up his "kidnapped-by-space-aliens"-type assertions. Once again, the
> Loser, confronted with his own ignorance and propensity for lying,
> responds only with a silly and insulting post--his usual stock-in-trade.
> 
> I guess I have a few questions, too. First of all, does the fact that
> Bucky responds to questions with questions indicate hitherto unknown
> Jewish parentage?

What?!?  Why, that's ANTI-SEMITISM!  Admitting that there's a "jewish"
manner of answering questions.  But, I'm not surprised, really.  Scratch a
liberal, find a bigot.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  2 10:57:27 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Ken, in your embarrassing, not to mention annoying, months on the 'Net,
you have shown yourself to be an arrogant little priss.  Just to piss you
off, I am posting yet again, several questions for you.

1)  Do you get paid by the word, the kilobyte, or the megabyte?

2)  Do your masters pay you a bonus when you come up with something
particularly witty, or do you get just a flat rate?

3)  What, other than harrassment and spamming, is your purpose in
periodically posting the "les-10-q" to at least FIVE newsgroups?

4)  What, other than an overinflated ego, makes you think that you are
entitled to any response other than ridicule?

5)  Does your Nizkweer site REALLY pay for retrieval of messages, and
storage of same?  Does Huber posting under different titles on different
NGs really annoy you?  So, for example, if I posted the _National
Socialist Primer_ to several NGs, with different titles each time, since
you archive EVERYTHING I write, would you then get dinged with
mega-charges?  What if a whole bunch of people started doing this?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  2 10:57:28 PDT 1996
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> Of course, the fact that whites have more body hair than blacks,
>>> seemingly implying a closer link to apes than black people have, just
>>> goes right over your pointy head.
> 
>>Salamanders have NO body hair.  Gee, they must be further evolved beyond
>>ape-hood than either Aryans OR negroes!
> 
> Commander Scheisskopf,
> 
> Thank you for making my point for me.
> 
> Now go be a good Nazi and take a cyanide capsule.

Re-read my post, you ignorant little so-and-so.  Your "point" was that
salamanders are FURTHER evolved beyond ape-hood than either Aryans or negroes?

Geez, you don't even make it fun anymore.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  2 14:53:04 PDT 1996
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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:

(snip - about deporting the negroes after emancipation, which was the
second part of Lincoln's plan; he wasn't all for turning the country over
to a bunch of wild savages fresh from Africa)

> Because they wouldn't go and didn't want to go. Fredrick Douglas made
> real clear in his discussion with Linclon was that the negro
> considered themselves Americans.

And I don't blame him one bit.  After all, given the choice between
staying in America, or returning to the Stone Age savagery which was the
best the African could accomplish on his own, who can blame Douglas for
choosing as he did?

Les




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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>His other point was, if one has to called superior to the other, he was in
>>favour of the White Race being called superior to the negro race.  Don't
>>neglect to mention that.
> 
> You have that quote? Present it please.

Just for you, dozy...

==========
>From  _The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln_, edited by Roy P. Basler,
Rutgers University Press, 1953

IN A DEBATE WITH STEPHEN DOUGLAS AT OTTAWA, ILLINOIS, AUGUST 21, 1858:

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the
White and black races.  There is a physical difference between the two
which in my judgment, will forever forbid their living together upon the
footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that
there must be a difference, I am in favor of the race to which I belong
having the superior position." - Vol. III, p. 16

=====

Happy?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  2 17:24:48 PDT 1996
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Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>5)  Does your Nizkweer site REALLY pay for retrieval of messages, and
>>storage of same?  Does Huber posting under different titles on different
>>NGs really annoy you?  So, for example, if I posted the _National
>>Socialist Primer_ to several NGs, with different titles each time, since
>>you archive EVERYTHING I write, would you then get dinged with
>>mega-charges?  What if a whole bunch of people started doing this?
> 
> Does Nizkor pay for its connection to the net? Yes, Bucky, it does, 
> just like everyone else. There ain't no such thing as a free ride,
> Leslie.
> 
> If a "whole bunch of people" started doing that, a "whole
> bunch of people" would probably complain, and the first "whole
> bunch of people" might find themselves searching for new ISPs.

Whoa, there, boy!  Gettin' pretty miffed, aren't you?  Did I inadvertently
step on some toes there?  No, no, Kenny, I simply asked a HYPOTHETICAL
question, and YOU got all huffy!  That's telling!

> [Long list of questions Leslie has refused to answer for
> over a year follows]

At which point, anyone has hit [control-C].  You really haven't got a
clue, have you?  Faster and funnier's the way to go, Ken.

Les


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Race-traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> bob whitaker wrote:

(snip)

>> ... White liberals want to open the borders of all white majority
>> countries to coloreds, while nobody is immigrating into colored
>> lands.  White liberals are for everybody else's race and poison
>> got their own.  Of course you love them dearly!
> 
> So how did whites end up in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia), South Africa, Botswana, 
> Kenya, Hong Kong, Australia etc.?? 

Another typical liberal ploy:  equate the exodus of Whites into countries
that DIDN'T exist prior to their intervention, with the flooding of
established White countries by non-whites.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Beaver going on about colonizing of other lands being the moral
equivalent of non-white immigration)

>>Another typical liberal ploy:  equate the exodus of Whites into countries
>>that DIDN'T exist prior to their intervention, with the flooding of
>>established White countries by non-whites.
> 
> Oh God, not this tired, rotten old banana again, Unterschneezwergführer
> Griswold!  Do you think that it is just possible that the folks that
> lived in the territory that is now called Zimbabwe, and that the British
> colonisers came to call Rhodesia, may have had a name for it? 

They may have indeed.  Seeing as they were illiterate, though, we'll never
know, will we?  All *recorded* history indicates that they were a Stone
Age, savage people living a nomadic lifestyle.  So the British should have
just curbed their NEEDS because they may have been impinging on SAVAGES?

> Oh, I get it, it had to have the same name and the same boundaries as the
> British colony of Rhodesia, or it just plain wasn't anybody's!  Of
> course, the original inhabitants would have no way of or reason for
> knowing anything about Cecil Rhodes, but they should have thought of
> that name anyway, and should have anticipated the boundaries the 
> Brits would impose.  How silly of me not to *realise* that.

Well, you *are* silly, you've got that right.

Les





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Neil Ghosh (ez062527@peseta.ucdavis.edu) writes:
>> Read the personal ads in the big cities' "singles" papers. Look for 
>> lonely hearts of the Indian subcontinent type. You will find an absolute 
>> obsession with degrees of fairness. And it is quite obvious that these 
>> people believe that the Whiter the better. Many ads seek mates with "fair 
>> skin" or "light complexion." Never have I seen one seeking the opposite.
>> 
>> With Negroes in America, of course, one is also dealing with the "punish 
>> Whitey by ravishing and abusing his women" mentality, so it is probably 
>> impossible to completely disentangle all the threads of motivation.
>> 
>> 
> I think you have a problem. Indo-Aryans (such as myself, the scion of the 
> proud Bengali Warrior Caste) piss upon the rotting corpses of people like 
> you.

Oh, geez, don't tell me we have ANOTHER fruit-loop who believes that
"Indians, even Dravidians, are ARYANS, man!"

> I don't care what color my wife or girlfriend is...

You should.  That you don't is proof positive that you're no Aryan.

Les




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BootedYob (BootedYob@teejay.demon.co.uk) writes:
> bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
>>   Rajiv is a good Indian racist.  If his own coutry were 
>>subject to the massive inflow that the clones here insist on 
>>for white countries, I think his attitude would be a good deal 
>>different.  Right now, his race is safe, and it gets to spread 
>>into white countries.  Good deal for him!
> 
> It never ceases to amaze me that Indians cry discrimination if they
> think they are treated differently to others, but India has, a Caste
> system, which condems many to a life of poverty.

Apparently, the Hindus *ARE* getting quite upset over the "corporate
imperialism" of Kellog's, which is trying to introduce breakfast cereal as
a less-fattening alternative to chapati as a breakfast food.  Pretty
funny, actually.

Les



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Craig Lambert (clambert@cris.com) writes:

(snip - repatriation of negroes)

> Leaving us with the bulk of our current welfare and criminals, who are
> white,

Well, buddy, since whites outnumber negroes by some six times, are there
six times as many whites on welfare as negroes?  Six times as many whites
in prison?  NO.

> and without tens of millions of productive non-white workers
> and taxpayers.  By the way, are you just talking about getting rid of
> African Americans, and not for instance Hispanics, Jews or Orientals?

No, but since the subject being discussed was the repatriation of NEGROES,
that is what Kevin addressed.  Considerate of him, since you liberals seem
to have trouble dealing with more than one idea at a time.

> I had meant to ask, too, but forgot earlier, just where the large
> tract of 'uninhabited and undeveloped' land in Africa you speak of is?

The whole continent of Africa is "underdeveloped".  Over-exploited, sure,
but far from being developed to support anything like the number of
negroes living there now (the usual disclaimers about the White
infrastructures applies).

> And you are seriously proposing that the white population leave
> America and move to this place in Africa?  Really?  Surely this is a
> mere rhetorical flight of fancy?

No, dip, he's being THEORETICAL.  The problem is, the negroes KNOW that
they'd accomplish diddly-squat without White support, so the idea of
racial separation is not that popular among them.  Even Louis Farra-koon
knows that "black independence" would be a disaster.  It's just a
convenient rallying cry.

> You may go with my blessing, Mr. Strom, though you're on your own 
> dealing with the inhabitants you'll have to displace.
> 
>>But you do raise a valid point about undesirables within our own gene 
>>pool. I propose that all those who feel that a multiracial society is 
>>desirable should be allowed to have their own state as well.
>>
> Well, you offered to leave, 

He did?  Where?

(snip)

Kevin:
>>I can think of many means by which the various racial groups could be
>>defined for the purpose [i.e. of racial separation].
> 
> No, you don't understand.  You are in charge.  Lives, money and policy
> depend on your decisions.  You can't just vaguely say 'there are
> ways,' you have to decide, now, who has to leave their homes and their
> jobs and their churches and the place they want to live and move
> elsewhere because they don't, under your new system, belong.  You will
> be telling people where they can live, who they can marry, how they
> must raise their children.  You won't be able to generalize then, show
> us you have a handle on these issues now.

Now you're being facetious.  Just because you liberals are so insufferably
arrogant as to KNOW EVERYTHING, that doesn't mean that EVERYONE is
willing to jettison all reference to reality and make ALL decisions
NOW, prior to actually having the situations(s) to deal with.

>>If you let them define themselves, I suspect that 99 per cent. of the job 
>>would be done immediately.
> 
> When they understand that how they define themselves determines where
> and how they live?  I don't think so. 

I do.  You liberals always agonize about how dreadful it is to live
amongst Whites, so I don't think that there would be an awful lot of
deception going on.  See, not everyone habitually lies like you liberals do.

Les



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Steve Garza (sgarza@academic.csbuak.edu) writes:

(snip)

> People need a philosophy, a purpose, and a plan to achieve a higher state
> not only for themselves but for those around them. 

I already have such a philosophy.  Trying to explain it to you, or trying to
make it somehow acceptable to non-whites is not exactly high on my list of
priorities.

> You should be 100% supportive for maximizing the human potential whenever it
> is possible and efficient to do so. It should not matter if that population
> is white, black, rich, or poor. Wherever you can add a catalyst to make
> things better you should. 

Why, Stevie Wonder?  Because you say so?

Les





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Subject: Re: Les' Groovy Movie [wuz Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)]
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> Oops! I confused my cheesy movies here, folks. Les actually said:
> 
>       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
>       Subject: SF: Movies as metaphors
>       Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 10:05:48 GMT
>       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> 
>       Or try "They Live", which is a PERFECT allegory about jewish
>       control.  I'm surprised that such a movie was even allowed to
>       be made, considering how blatantly it points the finger.
>  
>       Les
> 
> ----------------

Geezus, Crazy, stop doing that!  You know that I'm humiliated and cowed by
your OBVIOUS POWER and SUPERIOR SUBTLETY in infiltrating StormFront!

> Just for the heck of it, I asked Rob to look up the review of
> schnitzel-boy's flick in his collection of bathroom reading materials, and
> here's what one reviewer had to say:
> 
> 
>       They Live: A semi-serious science fiction spoof about a 
>       drifter who discovers an alien conspiracy. They're taking 
>       over the country under the guise of Reaganism, capitalism
>       and yuppiedom. Screenplay written by Carpenter under a 
>       pseudonym. Starts out fun, deteriorates into clichés and 
>       bad special effects makeup.
> 
>       1988 (R) 88 m/C Roddy Piper, Keith David, Meg Foster, 
>       George Flower, Peter Jason, Raymond St. Jacques, John 
>       Lawrence, Sy Richardson; Dir: John Carpenter. VHS, Beta, 
>       LV $19.95
> 
>       MCA - rating: 2.5 bones
> 
>       SOURCE: _1993 Video Hound's Golden Movie Retriever_. 
>       Visible Ink Press. page 702.
> 
> We now understand that Les identifies with the story's protagonist, a
> drifter played by a washed up WWF professional wrestler known as "Rowdy
> Roddy Piper", who is famous for wearing kilts and bagpipes to press
> conferences, where he would attack the interviewer and smash furniture
> (but I digress...). 

...and?  You are incorrect in suggesting that I "identif(y)" with the main
character, although I know that you threw that in just to get a response. 
But, anyway, what of Roddy Piper's PR skills?  The man is also rich beyond
anything YOU could ever come up with.

(snip - more ad hominem about Roddy Piper)

> While this lil' tidbit of information may explain a great deal about
> Griswold Logic, why didn't he prefer the much better conspiracy flick
> starring Donald Sutherland fighting against the podpeople called _Invasion
> of the Bodysnatchers_?

Well, I just don't care much for Donald Sutherland, or the jew Leonard
Nimoy.  I prefer the main characters in my movies to not look like they
just pulled an all-nighter at the local bar.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  3 09:08:11 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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Neil Ghosh (ez062527@peseta.ucdavis.edu) writes:
>> Read the personal ads in the big cities' "singles" papers. Look for 
>> lonely hearts of the Indian subcontinent type. You will find an absolute 
>> obsession with degrees of fairness. And it is quite obvious that these 
>> people believe that the Whiter the better. Many ads seek mates with "fair 
>> skin" or "light complexion." Never have I seen one seeking the opposite.
>> 
>> With Negroes in America, of course, one is also dealing with the "punish 
>> Whitey by ravishing and abusing his women" mentality, so it is probably 
>> impossible to completely disentangle all the threads of motivation.
>> 
>> 
> I think you have a problem. Indo-Aryans (such as myself, the scion of the 
> proud Bengali Warrior Caste) piss upon the rotting corpses of people like 
> you.

Oh, geez, don't tell me we have ANOTHER fruit-loop who believes that
"Indians, even Dravidians, are ARYANS, man!"

> I don't care what color my wife or girlfriend is...

You should.  That you don't is proof positive that you're no Aryan.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Why Is Dr. Bob Avoiding Me?
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Rob Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

(a whole lot of shit)

Maybe "Dr. Bob" is avoiding you because you're the biggest asshole here? 
Just a guess, of course.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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Neil Ghosh (ez062527@peseta.ucdavis.edu) writes:
>> Read the personal ads in the big cities' "singles" papers. Look for 
>> lonely hearts of the Indian subcontinent type. You will find an absolute 
>> obsession with degrees of fairness. And it is quite obvious that these 
>> people believe that the Whiter the better. Many ads seek mates with "fair 
>> skin" or "light complexion." Never have I seen one seeking the opposite.
>> 
>> With Negroes in America, of course, one is also dealing with the "punish 
>> Whitey by ravishing and abusing his women" mentality, so it is probably 
>> impossible to completely disentangle all the threads of motivation.
>> 
>> 
> I think you have a problem. Indo-Aryans (such as myself, the scion of the 
> proud Bengali Warrior Caste) piss upon the rotting corpses of people like 
> you.

Oh, geez, don't tell me we have ANOTHER fruit-loop who believes that
"Indians, even Dravidians, are ARYANS, man!"

> I don't care what color my wife or girlfriend is...

You should.  That you don't is proof positive that you're no Aryan.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun  3 16:13:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Tired of Nazis and Liberals?
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"W. Scott Wilson" (hadrian1@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Then read "American Renaissance" the only monthly publication devoted to 
> issues of race and reason.  Filled with documented studies and carefully 
> cited information, each issue of AR provides you with the straight facts 
> on issues of race, culture, and society without the leftist dogma and 
> without the neo-Nazi rhetoric.

... and lots n' lots of articles written by jews!
 
> If you believe that matters of race, multiculturalism, and immigration 
> are of utmost importance to the future of our nation and the 
> preservation of its heritage, then read "AMERICAN RENAISSANCE."

... as long as you think jews are the cat's ass!
 
> Check us out at http://www.amren.com/  for subscription information and 
> reprints of recent articles.

... and see for yourself that we aren't "racist", no siree!  We suck up to
jews like no-one else can!

> Also, watch for us on C-SPAN.  Last week's AR Conference in  
> Louisville, KY was filmed by C-SPAN and should be aired soon.

... and see for yourself all the jews we had as speakers!

Really, WSW, how can you look yourself in the mirror to shave?

Les



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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4p085n$7g5@peru.it.earthlink.net>
>            blackman@earthlink.net "Blackman" writes:
> 
>> Could you please expand on the term Aryan.  Could you share with everyone 
>> what it means to you?
> 
> The racists can't define "Aryan".
> 
> The term refers as much to brown-skinned Indians as it
> does to white, Nordic people.

Does not.  Geez, one thing about you liberals, are you ever TENACIOUS. 
This idiocy has been corrected at least a DOZEN times, but you still hang
on to it!

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> 
> (snip)
> 
>>>>> ... Do you think that it is just possible that the folks that
>>>>> lived in the territory that is now called Zimbabwe, and that the British
>>>>> colonisers came to call Rhodesia, may have had a name for it? 
>  
>>>>They may have indeed.  Seeing as they were illiterate, though, we'll never
>>>>know, will we?  All *recorded* history indicates that they were a Stone
>>>>Age, savage people living a nomadic lifestyle.  So the British should have
>>>>just curbed their NEEDS because they may have been impinging on SAVAGES?
>  
>>> You are wrong on several counts, Herr Griswold.  They were pre-literate,
>>> not illiterate.  
> 
>>You say tomato, I say tomahto...
> 
> No, it is rather like the difference between burpee big boys and whatever
> wild fruit the domesticated tomato is descended from.

Yes, you're comfortable in this arena, aren't you Fester?  The fact
remains, though, that whether the negroes in Africa were "pre"literate
(snicker!), or ILLiterate, THEY COULDN'T READ OR WRITE!  Why do you
liberals so stubbornly cling to your ideas, even when you're clearly wrong?

>>> The difference is not that they failed to learn to
>>> read and write in a society where these skills were essential and widely
>>> taught, but that record keeping was doing through other means, such as
>>> oral histories.  They were Iron-age, not stone age, 
> 
>>Bullshit.
> 
> "Ironworking had reached West Africa by the fourth century B.C....The
> new metallurgy...spread rapidly over sub-Saharan Africa in a few
> centuries."  B.M. Fagan, "People of the Earth". 5th edition, 1986.
> Little, Brown. p.360.

I still say bullshit.  Just because you can quote from a book, doesn't
prove shit.  You keep your nose in your books, I'll still prefer real
life, thank you.

Les


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AIDS and Ebola.

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Les



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Subject: Steve tugs on some heart-strings! (was: Why can't Les ... )
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Steve Garza (sgarza@ultrix5.csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)

> You can't tell us of your "higher" morality Griswold?

I have on several occaisions.  That you're too stupid or lazy (or
DISHONEST) to remember it, is not my fault.

(snip)
 
> You don't give a damn about famines in Africa, but you forget that not too
> long ago famines were quite common in Europe. How long ago was it when
> European doctors didn't wash their hands before delivering babies or
> performing operations? How long ago was it before the average European was
> a common farm peasant without the ability to read or write? How long ago
> was it when raw sewage flowed through average European's street?

The difference being, Wonder-Bread, that the Europeans now have the
knowledge of how to avoid those things.  They didn't have anyone to show
them, they had to learn on their own about sanitation, especially in
medicine.  The negroes, on the other hand, have no excuse, except some
nebulous, ill-defined "pride" and resistance to "cultural imperilialism"
that you liberals have taught them.  Makes one wonder, who's the REAL
racist around here?
 
> The ancestors of the Jews were once slaves in Egypt. They haven't stayed
> low on the totem pole since they were released from bondage now have they?
> So shall it be for the blacks and others. They are under the same stresses
> as whites and many times are under harsher stresses than the average
> white.

Perhaps that is true of the present, but not of the past.  As I said
above, there was NO ONE to help the Europeans out of the depths of their
problems - they had to do it themselves.  The negroes have no excuse.

Really, Wonder-Bread, you're tiresome.

Les




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j (73361.1641@compuserve.com) writes:
> Les,
> You are indeed pretty renowned on the Internet! just do an AltaVista
> search for "Les Griswold" and behold! You are famous! Some even call
> you the premier CyberNazi!  got a couple of questions for you if you
> would be so kind as to answer:
> 
> 1.  Do you hate Black people? (Thats a yes or no) If so, why? (thats
> an essay question)

No.
 
> 2.  Do you hate Jewish people? (Thats a yes or no) If so, why? (thats
> an essay question)

No, but I'm not overly fond of what jews, in large part, are responsible for.
 
> 3.  Do you hate Hispanic people? (Thats a yes or no) If so, why?
> (thats an essay question)

No.
 
> 4.  Do you hate American Indian people? (Thats a yes or no) If so,
> why? (thats an essay question)

No.
 
> 5.  Do you hate Asian people? (Thats a yes or no) If so, why? (thats
> an essay question)

No.

In questions 1, 3, 4, and 5, I'm not overly happy with what the people in
question are being used for (i.e., to denigrate and ultimately destroy the
White race), but I don't hate them for it.

(snip - rest of liberal noise-making deleted)

Les




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Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: How to Spot a Jew
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> Rad  wrote:

(snip)

>>JEWISH OCCUPATIONS
> 
>>Doctor
>>Lawyer
>>"Journalist"
>>Bureaucrat
>>"Writer"
>>"Producer"
>>Psychiatrist
>>Anything which allows political or cultural control over Aryans.
> 
> So, let's say you live in a small village in Israel--a Jewish village,
> since most non-cities are segregated there.  Who builds the houses?
> Who cleans up the garbage and the streets?  Who are the police?

And, of course, the situation as it exists in the bandit state of Israel,
which practices a far harsher form of _apartheid_ than was ever the case
in South Africa, is typical of every other place that jews live.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun  5 13:10:46 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Les' Groovy Movie [wuz Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)]
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4ot30o$bf1@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - Crazy rambling on about "They Live")

> * > Just for the heck of it, I asked Rob to look up the review of
> * > schnitzel-boy's flick in his collection of bathroom reading materials, and
> * > here's what one reviewer had to say:
> * > 
> * > 
> * >       They Live: A semi-serious science fiction spoof about a 
> * >       drifter who discovers an alien conspiracy. They're taking 
> * >       over the country under the guise of Reaganism, capitalism
> * >       and yuppiedom. Screenplay written by Carpenter under a 
> * >       pseudonym. Starts out fun, deteriorates into clichés and 
> * >       bad special effects makeup.
> * > 
> * >       1988 (R) 88 m/C Roddy Piper, Keith David, Meg Foster, 
> * >       George Flower, Peter Jason, Raymond St. Jacques, John 
> * >       Lawrence, Sy Richardson; Dir: John Carpenter. VHS, Beta, 
> * >       LV $19.95
> * > 
> * >       MCA - rating: 2.5 bones
> * > 
> * >       SOURCE: _1993 Video Hound's Golden Movie Retriever_. 
> * >       Visible Ink Press. page 702.
> * > 
> * > We now understand that Les identifies with the story's protagonist, a
> * > drifter played by a washed up WWF professional wrestler known as "Rowdy
> * > Roddy Piper", who is famous for wearing kilts and bagpipes to press
> * > conferences, where he would attack the interviewer and smash furniture
> * > (but I digress...). 
> * 
> * ...and?  You are incorrect in suggesting that I "identif(y)" with the main
> * character, although I know that you threw that in just to get a response. 
> 
> Puleeeeeze! You resemble the character more that you'll admit,
> schnitzel-boy, with the way you see conspiracies, infiltrators, and
> boogiemen in your midst. 

Thank you, Crazy.  Yes, Roddy Piper DOES have a rather impressive
physique.  But flattery will get you nowhere! (b'sides, Rob's watching)
 
> * But, anyway, what of Roddy Piper's PR skills?  The man is also rich beyond
> * anything YOU could ever come up with.
> 
> Undoubtedly, he could probably buy all of the assets of you, your fearless
> leader, and your crappy organization, but that doesn't mean that he can
> act. Did you know he was a wrestler or see any of his antics on television
> before I mentioned it?

Yes, I did, not that it mattered much.  I wasn't expecting to see
"Hamlet".  I had a pretty good idea of what "They Live" was going to be
like, and I wasn't taking it too seriously.  But the fact remains, B-grade or 
not, it's a near-perfect analogy with what is really happening, and my 
amazement that it would be allowed out still remains.  I guess the jews
figured that the uppity goyim needed to blow off a little steam.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun  5 13:10:47 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> 
>>(snip - about deporting the negroes after emancipation, which was the
>>second part of Lincoln's plan; he wasn't all for turning the country over
>>to a bunch of wild savages fresh from Africa)
> 
> He didn't use those terms, Mr. Griswold. If you want to be fair to
> history use the proper terms used by the people you are speaking of.

And...?  He may not have used those specific terms, a-hole, but that is
what the effect is.

>>> Because they wouldn't go and didn't want to go. Fredrick Douglas made
>>> real clear in his discussion with Linclon was that the negro
>>> considered themselves Americans.
> 
>>And I don't blame him one bit.  After all, given the choice between
>>staying in America, or returning to the Stone Age savagery which was the
>>best the African could accomplish on his own, who can blame Douglas for
>>choosing as he did?
> 
> Why don't you use the terms tof their discussion? Why do you think it
> is intellectual to put words into historical people that they didn't
> use?

Where have I put words in ANYONE'S mouth?  That's unsanitary.  I was
simply saying that I agreed with Freddy Douglas' declaration, and offered
my understanding of WHY he would have said that.  Do you have any evidence
to the contrary?  Please, by all means, post it.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun  6 06:56:07 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4p3kuo$agg@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold), Canada's Noble Aryan
> Poster Boy for the National Alliance, surprised no-one by
> responding to carefully documented proof of his ignorance as
> follows:
> 
>>> "Ironworking had reached West Africa by the fourth century B.C....The
>>> new metallurgy...spread rapidly over sub-Saharan Africa in a few
>>> centuries."  B.M. Fagan, "People of the Earth". 5th edition, 1986.
>>> Little, Brown. p.360.
> 
>>I still say bullshit.  Just because you can quote from a book, doesn't
>>prove shit.  You keep your nose in your books, I'll still prefer real
>>life, thank you.
> 
> Translation: Damn! Caught lying again, in public again, without
> a shred of evidence to back up my stupid, ignorant and racist
> bullshit. I ask for real life, a scholar gives me real
> life...what to do now? Pierce didn't tell me virtually
> everyone on the net but Schoedel was smarter than I was when I
> got sucked into the National Appliance... I think I've been
> had.

Kenny, you're the PERFECT example of not being able to see the forest for
the trees...

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jun  6 08:14:17 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Helping negroes out (was: Steve tugs on some heart-strings!)
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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Steve Garza (sgarza@ultrix5.csubak.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> : > The ancestors of the Jews were once slaves in Egypt. They haven't
> : > stayed low on the totem pole since they were released from bondage 
> : > now have they? So shall it be for the blacks and others. They are 
> : > under the same stresses as whites and many times are under harsher 
> : > stresses than the average white.
> 
> : Perhaps that is true of the present, but not of the past.  As I said
> : above, there was NO ONE to help the Europeans out of the depths of their
> : problems - they had to do it themselves.  The negroes have no excuse.
> 
>     Bullshit.
>     Have you seen White folks trying to help African-Americans out?  I
> don't know about you, but I haven't seen it too often.  

Try Africa, buddy.  The whole damn continent, where negroes run things, is
just one big tragi-comedy.  And WHO INVARIABLY pulls negro chestnuts out
of the fire?  Why, the White man, that's who.  I just read an article
about Canadian soldiers possibly having their stay in Haiti extended by
six months, because the native Haitian (read negro) cops aren't able to
look after things.

> They have to do things for themselves, because many Whites have the attitude
> that you have, and would never do a thing for them.   Whites aren't going to
> help them anytime soon, 

Bullshit.  Read what I wrote above, then come back here with that shit.

> so they have to do it themselves.  

Yeah, and look at what a mess it INVARIABLY ends up as.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

(snip - some liberal agonizing over the "fact" that no-one can define
"white" to HIS/HER/ITS liking)

>>"White humans came from" the North, where conditions caused them to 
>>evolve fairer coloration, smaller jaws, larger brains, and greater 
>>intelligence than their ancestors. North Asians also developed a high 
>>intelligence and evolved in a rigorous climate, but differ in many 
>>details from Whites.
 
(snip - Fester babble deleted)

> How do you know that Neanderthals weren't "white", Mr. Strom?  I mean
> literally - pale-skinned as an adaptation to the northerly latitudes
> in which they lived.  All modern humans have smaller jaws, larger
> brains, and greater intelligence than the preceding species of
> hominid from which they evolved.  We do not know when pale skin
> emerged.

Typical liberal red-herring:  What difference does it make WHAT colour the
Neanderthals were?  They're extinct.  Therefore, they didn't have what it
takes to compete.  They may have been smart.  Cro-Magnon man was smarter.

(snip - more Fester self-aggrandizement deleted)

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  7 08:40:54 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Barnacle and liberals are a lot alike - they latch on to something (a boat
hull in the former case, an idea in the latter), and simply will not let
go, unless a scraper is applied to remove them.

Les



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Barnacle and liberals are a lot alike - they latch on to something (a boat
hull in the former case, an idea in the latter), and simply will not let
go, unless a scraper is applied to remove them.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Hilary Ostrov (hostrov@uniserve.com) writes:
> In <4p8k4h$96q@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, p_stone@alchemy.co.nz
> (Ourobouros) wrote:
> 
> [noble but failed attempt to defend the Grisbot snipped]
> 
>>I presume Les was making a succinct argument McVay.  A lot could be said
>>of your feeble attempt at insults -- long and boring.
> 
> I think I finally understand your problem, Mr. Ourobouros.  If you
> find yourself "presum[ing] Les was making a succint argument", then
> perhaps you need a new dictionary.
> 
> You see, if Mr. Griswold has demonstrated nothing else on USENET, he
> has proven beyond all shadow of a doubt that he is incapable of making
> a succint argument.

No, I'm incapable of making an argument that penetrates the thick shell of
liberal ignorance that you sort deliberately foster.  So?

Les





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Barnacle and liberals are a lot alike - they latch on to something (a boat
hull in the former case, an idea in the latter), and simply will not let
go, unless a scraper is applied to remove them.

Les



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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> My understanding on syphillis was that it existed in Europe but was
> held in remission by another disease -- yaws -- until they discovered
> how to deal with that disease in the early 16th century.
> 
> Melanoma isn't infectious, of course -- unless you consider that white
> *fashion* is responsible for its widespread appearance.  Not to
> mention that it is caused by a deficiency of skin color.

Strange, that.  A disease can be caused by LACK of skin colour, but you
liberals won't even ENTERTAIN the thought that maybe, just MAYBE, other
things are related to an over-abundance of skin colour.
 
> I also left out Bubonic plague, since it seems to have appeared all
> over the Old World, but it certainly did make some interesting
> appearances in Europe, aided by those wonderful European sanitation
> habits.

You DO realize that 20th century sanitation and medicine IS a little more
advanced than the 14th century, don't you?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun  7 20:28:15 PDT 1996
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(big snip - about CSurzinki accusing me of being a rapist like Eldridge
Cleaver, and pathetic liberal attempts to defend him)

> Ahem. Jeff, I don't really know if I support you on that one. Señor
> Griswold did make a statement about a "negro gang-bang team raping" me,
> which could be interpreted in a number of ways. I did not feel that he had
> my best interests at heart when he wrote it.
> 
> In message  of _Re: The nobility of Crazy
> Jeannie (was: A Trip...)_, I had written:
> 
>       > Does it really surprise you that some people actually 
>       > work to make positive changes in their communities
>       > while you and your buddies sit around bitching, moaning, 
>       > and waiting for the big ol' race war to start? Do you 
>       > think that we're all just hobbyist lib'ruls?
> 
> Les replied:
>  
>       As a matter of fact, yes I do.  but I've decided not to 
>       be too hard on you in future; see, the events of the next 
>       few years will, beyond peradventure of doubt, prove me 
>       right, and you wrong.  So, when the negro gang-bang team 
>       is raping you, remember what was said here, would you?
> 
> Then again, Les has stated blanket rules of conduct rules of conduct for
> Aryan women which he condemned me for following in my own life, but those
> contradictions have been brushed aside by claiming that I'm not "White".
> 
> A similar reference to gang rape in message
>  of _Liberal good cheer!_ was a general "up
> your's" to everyone:
> 
>       You know what's really funny?  The fact that white 
>       liberals are going to be targetted JUST AS MUCH as 
>       White Nationalists will be, when non-Whites begin 
>       their riots in earnest.  White liberal women will 
>       be raped just as often as "Natsee" women, white 
>       liberal males will be assaulted and/or killed just 
>       as often as White Nationalist men... you get the 
>       idea.  In fact, liberals will almost certainly be 
>       targetted far out of proportion to their actual 
>       numbers, because their silly ideas about racial 
>       equality force them to lower their defenses around 
>       non-Whites, and any liberal male that is actually 
>       galled by minority excess will have his instincts 
>       safely nullified by his liberal indoctrination.  
>       So, let's not be too hard on them, because god knows, 
>       the non-Whites sure will be!

Typical liberal obfuscation, yet again.  I'm not ADVOCATING the rape of
you or anyone else, just PREDICTING what will happen to pathetic pukes
like you.  I suppose viewing Reginald Denny being dragged from his truck
and beaten made NO impression on you whatsoever, eh?
 
> The whole "negro gang-rape" fantasy comes from _The Turner Diaries_,

Really?  Where?

> which may be used to scare "Aryan" women into staying in their place, but I
> still say that the book is a piece of crap. 

And I say you're a crazy old bat.  Even?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> Racists on this ng keep trying to say that Marx was a Jew.

He was.  Real name was Mordechai Levi, and he was descended from a family
of rabbis.

> Pretty odd, since he hated all religions (he called them the opium of the
> masses).

That's "opiate", asshole.  But so what?  His (supposed) disdain of
religions didn't change his racial background ONE BIT.

And it's interesting that you use the word "hate" to describe how he felt
about religions.  I didn't think that anyone but "Natsees" could hate.

Les




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Yvonne Minor-Harvey (yvaahn@norfolk.infi.net) writes:

(snip)

> Hi John,
> 
> 
> This is an interesting topic y'all have going here. Let me add my 
> thoughts :
> 
> Trust me on this ,John, the racial beauty standards between the races 
> and sexes are quite different. Even within our own race 
> (African-American), there is no shortage of black men who prefer women 
> that are lighter than themselves, most of the time they prefer women that 
> are MUCH lighter. If they won't settle for just lighter skin in 
> THEIR women, they insist on a bonifide,certified WHITE woman. It does not 
> work so much in reverse because there is an association of image and 
> sexuality with one's external characteristics. 

Why not cut all the psycho-babble bullshit, and just recognize that it's
probably because white men don't find black women attractive, unless
they're so far over on the light side that they would only be classed as
"negresses" in sick, multiracial hegemonies like the U.S. or Canada?

> Race, for example , is one 
> of those characteristics. Surely you've heard of white women going for 
> the tall, DARK and handsome types within their OWN race? Well, there are 
> some who want the bonifide, certified dark item. In this culture, people 
> associate femininity with lightness and masculinity with darkness.
> 
> There are other secondary reasons for this mentality that I would love to 
> discuss sometime. I just wanted to give some brief feedback on a subject 
> I have been a lifelong observer of.
> 
> Yvonne
> 
Les




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ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Baglow) wrote:

(snip)

>Phil, you're missing my point. If the Black men Bucky is referring to have
>all ended up with white women, and that is because white is beautiful and
>Black is ugly, then how do you explain the corollary fact that those white
>women have all ended up with Black men? 

Women, on the average, are more concerned than men are with being
"fashionable" and being nice rather than being honest.  The "Whassa
matter, you don' like Blacks?" whine that negroes invariably resort to
when rebuffed by Whites works rather better with women than it does with men.

>Surely those women have a say in
>the relationship they end up in, so that clearly they find Black men
>>attractive.

Some people have a shit fetish, too, John.  What does that say about shit?

Les



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The following is taken from the June 1996 issue of _Instauration_, page 23.

*****

Murderous Neglect

Leaving a movie theatre parking lot, Donald Deason, 30 and white, was
jumped by a gang of Negroes.  When he drew a gun to force the blacks to
keep their distance, he was arrested by a cop.  Taken to a Birmingham (MI)
jail, where black guards accused him of being a racist, he was thrown in a
cell with a black animal who beat him to death.  No interference from the
guards, even though the beating went on for almost 2 1/2 hours and blood
flowed into the jail corridors.  The killer was found guilty of
manslaughter.  The negligent guards were let go by a largely black 
jury. . . .
*****

That's what's facing each and every one of us, kinsmen.

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
 
(snip - Mathis trying to tell us that Israelis are representative of jews
EVERYWHERE, and really pissed off that I compared Israeli apartheid with
that formerly practiced in South Africa)

>>I was talking about Palestinians and you know it, you dummy.  Blacks
>>obtained sufferance through demonstrations, and the Whites in SA were
>>stupid enough to pay attention to them.  What would a Palestinian earn for
>>holding a peaceful demonstration in Israel?  A rubber bullet, or a truncheon?
> 
> Bucky, listen up: Palestinians ARE Arabs.  Those that live in Israel
> proper ,inside the green line, have the same rights as everyone else.
 
Bullshit.
 
> They demonstrate regularly, and it's no big deal.  I won't defend
> Israel's policies on the territories, but keep in mind that Israel is
> still officially at a state of war, and that land was taken when five
> Arab armies invaded Israel at once.
 
Mighty candid of you, and highly revealing.  Yes, the entire territory now
known as Israel was TAKEN, by force of arms.
  
>Israel kicked their collective ass and won in six days, increasing in
>size by 500%.  Kick a Jew around, and that's what you get, Bucky.
 
Oh, geez, here we go with the jewish chest-beating again.  Listen, Andy,
if Israel hadn't had MASSIVE aid from the U.S., they would have been
exterminated down to the last foreskin by the Arabs.
 
Les
 




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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> In article <31B66623.418B@usaor.net>, Ian McKinney  wrote:
> 
>>          
>> I'll bypass the well known fact that Karl Marx was a Jew. That 
>> can be discovered in any library.
> 
> You obviously understand the word 'Jew' in a different way than many other
> people do. Karl Marx, as the erudite postings here by Craig Lambert
> (thanks for going to the trouble to ferret all that material out, Craig),
> was anti-Jewish to the point of being a pathological anti-Semite.

Yes, we understand "jew" to have a racial as well as a religious
component, while you liberals stubbornly insist that it's ONLY the
religion that makes one a "jew".  Therefore, you can stop mentioning
Einstein as one of your own, since he wasn't a religious jew.
 
As for Marx' anti-semitism, what does that prove?  The phenomenon of the
self-hating jew is hardly unknown.

> There's no denying the fact that Karl Marx was born into a home with a
> German-Jewish heritage. 

So why do you judeophiles try so hard?  It's only when you CAN'T weasel
out of it that you 'admit' it.

Les



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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser "Bucky" Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) dribbles:
> 
>> Women, on the average, are more concerned than men are with being
>> "fashionable" and being nice rather than being honest.  The "Whassa
>> matter, you don' like Blacks?" whine that negroes invariably resort to
>> when rebuffed by Whites works rather better with women than it does with men.
> 
> Bucky obviously has a lot of respect for women. Did he woo Sylvie by
> whining softly in the moonlight?

How is the above disrespectful?  Because it happens to be true?  Re-read
it, John, or get Daryl to read it for you.  I said, "Women, ON AVERAGE,
are more concerned with being 'fashionable'... "  It so happens that
Sylvie is not an average woman.  But the fact that it is true in no way
denigrates women.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> charles conn (connc@sys12.cs.jmu.edu) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote:
> : :     Two things contribute to this.  For one, the media has not demonized
> : : the physical appearance of Black men, anywhere near the way they have
> : : that of Black women.  While the media has certainly demonized Black
> : : men's intellectual capabilities, we are in a superficial world, as a
> 
> : Could you please give concrete examples of this alleged demonization?
> 
>     The media has portrayed Black men as being good only on the athletic
> playing fields, in the bedroom, and in prison.  Look at the movies,
> television, and the news.  The news is a great example- ever notice how
> most news shows always manage to get pictures of Black suspects in
> crime, but almost never one of a White suspect?  

Has it ever occurred to your pustule-that-passes-for-a-brain that maybe
that's because many suspects in crimes are black?

> And they love to blow stories out of proportion- does the name OJ ring a bell?

OJ, blown out of proportion?  That was his "Dream Team" that did that. 
The media, particularly television, just lapped it up like the sycophants
they are.

> : : The media has never portrayed Black women as being beautiful. 
> 
> : Please give examples for this broad and sweeping statement.
> 
>     Look at the models in magazines, the movies, and TV shows.  'Nuff
> said.  

Uh-oh!  Watch out, or Brendan will e-mail you a GIF of Kenya Moore, or
some other black beauty!

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination
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Whitey (paul@mustang.mv.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Barnacle and liberals are a lot alike - they latch on to something (a boat
>>hull in the former case, an idea in the latter), and simply will not let
>>go, unless a scraper is applied to remove them.
> 
> Are you presenting yourself as the scraper here, Les? 
 
No.  The ability (not to mention the desire) to tear a liberal away from his
patent idiocy is beyond me.  Seeing the insistent way in which you liberals 
will bob and weave to avoid admitting defeat is pretty amusing, though 
(Fester's going for the  win-by-definition is just one of the ways, and right 
now one of the most  entertaining).
 
Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Whitey (paul@mustang.mv.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Barnacle and liberals are a lot alike - they latch on to something (a boat
>>hull in the former case, an idea in the latter), and simply will not let
>>go, unless a scraper is applied to remove them.
> 
> Are you presenting yourself as the scraper here, Les? 
 
No.  The ability (not to mention the desire) to tear a liberal away from his
patent idiocy is beyond me.  Seeing the insistent way in which you liberals 
will bob and weave to avoid admitting defeat is pretty amusing, though 
(Fester's going for the  win-by-definition is just one of the ways, and right 
now one of the most  entertaining).
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  9 10:23:54 PDT 1996
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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4p0472$914@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>(snip - about Eldridge Cleaver's _Soul on Ice_, wherein he expounds about
>>the virtues of raping White women, as a means of "getting back at" the
>>White man)
> 
> So what? You can read considerably more white supremacist pamphlets which 
> expound upon the virtues of murdering nonwhites, Catholics, homosexuals and 
> Jews.

And your point is... ?  I'm talking about a BOOK, that was PUBLISHED, by a
major PUBLISHER.  You're talking about PAMPHLETS, that are NOT intended to
become best-sellers.  

But I guess it supports our position that you guys need a book to say what
we can say in a few short sentences.

Les
 




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4pah2h$kqt@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Baglow) wrote:
> * 
> * (snip)
> * 
> * >Phil, you're missing my point. If the Black men Bucky is referring to have
> * >all ended up with white women, and that is because white is beautiful and
> * >Black is ugly, then how do you explain the corollary fact that those white
> * >women have all ended up with Black men? 
> * 
> * Women, on the average, are more concerned than men are with being
> * "fashionable" and being nice rather than being honest.  The "Whassa
> * matter, you don' like Blacks?" whine that negroes invariably resort to
> * when rebuffed by Whites works rather better with women than it does with men.
> * 
> * >Surely those women have a say in
> * >the relationship they end up in, so that clearly they find Black men
> * >>attractive.
> * 
> * Some people have a shit fetish, too, John.  What does that say about shit?
> 
>       "Hey!  I'M the vilest piece of shit around!  There's 
>       even a string attesting to that, so don't go arbitrarily 
>       stripping me of my title and awarding it to someone else!"
>       ----------Les Griswold
> 
> We all know that Les never lies, so maybe he'd like to explain Sylvie's
> shit fetish for all of us.
> 
> * Les

Typical liberal, to imply something totally off the wall from two
unrelated statements.  Besides, you wrinkled old bat, you're off-topic. 
Pay attention.  I know you haven't got much in the way of grey matter to start
with, but still...

Les



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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4p0472$914@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>(snip - about Eldridge Cleaver's _Soul on Ice_, wherein he expounds about
>>the virtues of raping White women, as a means of "getting back at" the
>>White man)
> 
> So what? You can read considerably more white supremacist pamphlets which 
> expound upon the virtues of murdering nonwhites, Catholics, homosexuals and 
> Jews.

Really?  Name one.

Les
 




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

> Oh, do you mean like whether sub-Saharan Africa was Iron-Age or Stone-Age
> before European colonisation, Herr Oberschneezwergführer?  And about the
> so-called lack of agriculture and domesticated animals there before
> Europeans came along?  You know, all this great historical stuff that
> you "just know" based on "real life" experience?  For readers into
> fantasy, that's pretty entertaining.  Unfortunately it isn't my preferred
> genre.

Fester, putting the words "just know" in quotation marks is dishonest,
because it implies that I said them, and that you are directly quoting me.
 Don't be so patently dishonest.

Les



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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4p8ts5$3i3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
>   :> Melanoma isn't infectious, of course -- unless you consider that white
>   :> *fashion* is responsible for its widespread appearance.  Not to
>   :> mention that it is caused by a deficiency of skin color.
>   :
>   :Strange, that.  A disease can be caused by LACK of skin colour, but you
>   :liberals won't even ENTERTAIN the thought that maybe, just MAYBE, other
>   :things are related to an over-abundance of skin colour.
> 
> It's one thing to conclude that is disease of the skin is related to the
> coloring of the skin. It's quite another to conclude that mental capacity
> and criminal tendencies are related to the coloring of the skin.

But when observation establishes that there IS a correlation, it warrants
further investigation, something people like you are deathly afraid of.  I
wonder why?
 
> If my car has a worn finish, that would explain the rust spots; it would
> not explain oil leaks or the tendenct to run into telephone poles.

Our society's not a car.  Fallacious analogy.
 
Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Marlow's McDonald's Memories
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> From the archive:  It's Marcus Marlow's McDonald's Memories.
> 
> That's right the Hugh Grant of alt.politics.white-power tells about his
> conquest of a Black Mickey D's cashier back in the days.  Would you like
> an Arch Deluxe with this order?

(snip)

Yep, it's a sure sign the liberals are desperate for attention when they
start this sort of thing.

Les




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Sam J. Turner (sjt@kelvin.bham.ac.uk) writes:
> Ian McKinney (mckinney@usaor.net) wrote:
> : james@tardis.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton) wrote:
> 
> : Can you cite a study showing
> : >not only that AVERAGE black IQs are lower than AVERAGE white IQs, but
> : >also that the vast bulk of blacks have lower IQs than the white
> : >average? 
> 
> : >James
> 
> : The "Bell Curve" contains numerous studies. 
> 
> Read it again, slowmo. Or would you like a little picture.
> One average is lower than the other average. OK?
> But the variance within the two groups is more than
> the difference between them. OK?
> So about half the black population can have an IQ
> higher than the overall average or the white average.

Incorrect.  The negro overlap of the White IQ AVERAGE is in the range of
10-15 per cent, not 50%.

> And from the speed at which you are understanding this I
> would imagine your IQ to be well below either average, and
> indeed the bulk of either group.

And from the audacity with which you spout such an obvious lie, I would
imagine that either your courage, or your stupidity, are FAR above average.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

> Oh, do you mean like whether sub-Saharan Africa was Iron-Age or Stone-Age
> before European colonisation, Herr Oberschneezwergführer?  And about the
> so-called lack of agriculture and domesticated animals there before
> Europeans came along?  You know, all this great historical stuff that
> you "just know" based on "real life" experience?  For readers into
> fantasy, that's pretty entertaining.  Unfortunately it isn't my preferred
> genre.

Fester, putting the words "just know" in quotation marks is dishonest,
because it implies that I said them, and that you are directly quoting me.
 Don't be so patently dishonest.

Les



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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4p8ts5$3i3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
>   :> Melanoma isn't infectious, of course -- unless you consider that white
>   :> *fashion* is responsible for its widespread appearance.  Not to
>   :> mention that it is caused by a deficiency of skin color.
>   :
>   :Strange, that.  A disease can be caused by LACK of skin colour, but you
>   :liberals won't even ENTERTAIN the thought that maybe, just MAYBE, other
>   :things are related to an over-abundance of skin colour.
> 
> It's one thing to conclude that is disease of the skin is related to the
> coloring of the skin. It's quite another to conclude that mental capacity
> and criminal tendencies are related to the coloring of the skin.

But when observation establishes that there IS a correlation, it warrants
further investigation, something people like you are deathly afraid of.  I
wonder why?
 
> If my car has a worn finish, that would explain the rust spots; it would
> not explain oil leaks or the tendenct to run into telephone poles.

Our society's not a car.  Fallacious analogy.
 
Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun  9 13:25:33 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> From the archive:  It's Marcus Marlow's McDonald's Memories.
> 
> That's right the Hugh Grant of alt.politics.white-power tells about his
> conquest of a Black Mickey D's cashier back in the days.  Would you like
> an Arch Deluxe with this order?

(snip)

Yep, it's a sure sign the liberals are desperate for attention when they
start this sort of thing.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4p59ca$qrb@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

(snip)

Phillip K.:
>> >     Bullshit.
>> >     Have you seen White folks trying to help African-Americans out?  I
>> > don't know about you, but I haven't seen it too often.  

Moi: 
>> Try Africa, buddy.  The whole damn continent, where negroes run things, is
>> just one big tragi-comedy.  And WHO INVARIABLY pulls negro chestnuts out
>> of the fire?  Why, the White man, that's who.  I just read an article
>> about Canadian soldiers possibly having their stay in Haiti extended by
>> six months, because the native Haitian (read negro) cops aren't able to
>> look after things.
> 
> There are Bangladeshi troops trying to keep the peace
> in Bosnia. 

So, when did Bengladesh become synonymous with Africa?

Listen, Caesar and all you other liberal assholes:  when arguing about
NEGRO incompetence, you should use counter-examples about NEGRO achievements.

Les




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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> In article <4pebk5$rrb@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>(snip - about Eldridge Cleaver's _Soul on Ice_, wherein he expounds about
>>>>the virtues of raping White women, as a means of "getting back at" the
>>>>White man)
>>> 
>>> So what? You can read considerably more white supremacist pamphlets which 
>>> expound upon the virtues of murdering nonwhites, Catholics, homosexuals and 
>>> Jews.
>>
>>Really?  Name one.
>>
>>Les
> 
> 	_The Turner Diaries_ by William Pierce, writing as Joseph McDonald.

I knew one of you liberals would walk right into that one.  But there are
a couple of points I'd like to make by way of rejoinder:

1)  First of all, DOCTOR William Pierce's pen name when he wrote TTD was
ANDREW Macdonald, not JOSEPH McDonald.  I am amazed and disappointed that
you would make such a basic mistake.

2)  _The Turner Diaries_ is a work of fiction.  _Soul on Ice_ isn't.

Les



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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4pebk5$rrb@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - I challenged the meathead liberals here to name just one pro-White
work of literature that approached _Soul on Ice_ as a hate-filled screed)

> Almost anything that was printed by the Arizona Patriots,
> beginning with Oliphant's "To Alter or Abolish the
> Government."
> 
> From there, you may wish to move to William Potter Gale, and
> the writings of the "Committee of the States."
> 
> That's two.
> 
> When you've done that, get back to us, Mr. Griswold, and we'll
> provide you with more.

Geez, Ken, never heard of either of those particular tracts.  Funny, you
seem VERY well read on "Natsee" literature.  How long did it take you to
find either of them?  Would you suggest that EITHER of them is as popular
as _Soul on Ice_?  _SOI_ is available in any largish library.  Where would
one find either of the tracts you mention?  And how unanimously do they
represent the feelings of Whites?  While you're at it, perhaps you can
tell us when the NAACP made a formal refutation of _Soul on Ice_?

BTW, are either of those books banned in Canada?  If so, how'd you get
your shithooks on them?

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip) - JB [hmm, sounds like a corporate CEO] nattering on about
something he knows SFA about, women)

> Grow up, little man. The women I have met over the past two decades don't
> conform to the stupid stereotyping that Bucky and his pals love to engage in.
> He, and now you, seem to believe that women will make a life choice of
> partner based upon their inability to say no. Bullshit, from my
> perspective; now, maybe we should hear from the women...

How do you meet ANY women with that big faggy hoop earring?

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

> Oh, do you mean like whether sub-Saharan Africa was Iron-Age or Stone-Age
> before European colonisation, Herr Oberschneezwergführer?  And about the
> so-called lack of agriculture and domesticated animals there before
> Europeans came along?  You know, all this great historical stuff that
> you "just know" based on "real life" experience?  For readers into
> fantasy, that's pretty entertaining.  Unfortunately it isn't my preferred
> genre.

Fester, putting the words "just know" in quotation marks is dishonest,
because it implies that I said them, and that you are directly quoting me.
 Don't be so patently dishonest.

Les



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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4p8ts5$3i3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
>   :> Melanoma isn't infectious, of course -- unless you consider that white
>   :> *fashion* is responsible for its widespread appearance.  Not to
>   :> mention that it is caused by a deficiency of skin color.
>   :
>   :Strange, that.  A disease can be caused by LACK of skin colour, but you
>   :liberals won't even ENTERTAIN the thought that maybe, just MAYBE, other
>   :things are related to an over-abundance of skin colour.
> 
> It's one thing to conclude that is disease of the skin is related to the
> coloring of the skin. It's quite another to conclude that mental capacity
> and criminal tendencies are related to the coloring of the skin.

But when observation establishes that there IS a correlation, it warrants
further investigation, something people like you are deathly afraid of.  I
wonder why?
 
> If my car has a worn finish, that would explain the rust spots; it would
> not explain oil leaks or the tendenct to run into telephone poles.

Our society's not a car.  Fallacious analogy.
 
Les





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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
> * Typical liberal, to imply something totally off the wall from two
> * unrelated statements.  Besides, you wrinkled old bat, you're off-topic. 
> * Pay attention.  I know you haven't got much in the way of grey matter to start
> * with, but still...
> 
> Shit is shit, cockroach-boy. I am as on topic in this thread as you, so
> quit yer bitchin' about having your own words served back to you. Besides,
> you lying Nazi bastard, I have enough grey matter 

I was talking about brains, not your hair.

> to remember when you've
> said a particularly embarrassing statement (or bald-faced lie) and the
> software to do a quick search to parade your own words in front of
> everyone for my own entertainment, and there's not a damn thing you can do
> about it. 
> 
> Hell, I might even do some "Les Quotes" webpages and register them under
> the usual "Hi Hitler!" keywords so that any aspiring hatemonger doing a
> web search can read your words and disassociate themselves with such a
> loser lifestyle. 

Yes, Crazy, YOU TOO can spend 16 hours a day on the 'Net, just like your
hero Ken McOyVay!  Talk about winner lifestyles!

> If a greasy little wimp can be a member of the master
> race, anybody can -- especially if most people consider them unevolved
> pond scum.
> 
> Post a gif, nazi-boy, and I'll show you in *all* of your glory! It'll look
> great on the puke yellow background I use for my WS webpages. 

FreeNet doesn't support GIFs, dingbat.  B'sides, my personal appearance is
none of your business.

> BTW, Les -- is yours *really* bigger than Milt's? Those rumors really fly on
> Stormfront, don't they?

I wouldn't know.  Why don't you post them, since you subscribe, and
archive EVERYTHING?

Les




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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> 
>> Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
>> > charles conn (connc@sys12.cs.jmu.edu) wrote:
>> > : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote:
>> > : :     Two things contribute to this.  For one, the media has not demonized
>> > : : the physical appearance of Black men, anywhere near the way they have
>> > : : that of Black women.  While the media has certainly demonized Black
>> > : : men's intellectual capabilities, we are in a superficial world, as a
>> >
>> > : Could you please give concrete examples of this alleged demonization?
>> >
>> >     The media has portrayed Black men as being good only on the athletic
>> > playing fields, in the bedroom, and in prison.  Look at the movies,
>> > television, and the news.  The news is a great example- ever notice how
>> > most news shows always manage to get pictures of Black suspects in
>> > crime, but almost never one of a White suspect?
>> 
>> Has it ever occurred to your pustule-that-passes-for-a-brain that maybe
>> that's because many suspects in crimes are black?
> 
> Has it ever occured to you that many crime suspects are black because 
> the mostly white, undereducated, gunslinging, macho-freak, Oakley 
> wearing, corrupt cops are prejudiced and more prone to suspect blacks no 
> matter what?!

And why would they be more prone to suspecting negroes?  Racism and
nothing but, right?  Might it be because years of experience have taught
them that negroes are much more likely to be at the root of many crimes? 
No, of course not!  They're just racist!

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Bucky slithers some more (was: Eldridge Cleaver)
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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

> Then Ken MacVay, rising to the challenge as well [ie, to find one
pro-White work of literature that approaches the hatefulness of _Soul on
Ice_], notes two more such works of hate:
> 
>>> Almost anything that was printed by the Arizona Patriots,
>>> beginning with Oliphant's "To Alter or Abolish the
>>> Government."
>>> 
>>> From there, you may wish to move to William Potter Gale, and
>>> the writings of the "Committee of the States."
>>> 
>>> That's two.
>>> 
>>> When you've done that, get back to us, Mr. Griswold, and we'll
>>> provide you with more.
> 
> And here is how the Mighty Aryan Thinker  responds:
> 
>> Geez, Ken, never heard of either of those particular tracts.  Funny, you
>> seem VERY well read on "Natsee" literature.  How long did it take you to
>> find either of them?  Would you suggest that EITHER of them is as popular
>> as _Soul on Ice_?  _SOI_ is available in any largish library.  Where would
>> one find either of the tracts you mention?  And how unanimously do they
>> represent the feelings of Whites?  While you're at it, perhaps you can
>> tell us when the NAACP made a formal refutation of _Soul on Ice_?
> 
> Translation: "1) I'm ignorant, so your facts don't count; 2) You are
> *not* ignorant, and must have gone to some trouble to do the research that
> I've never had the brains or the initiative to do; 3) Your examples aren't
> popular, so they don't count; 4) Your examples are difficult to find in
> popular libraries, so they don't count; 5) Your examples do not represent
> the unanimous view of white people, so they don't count; 6) The NAACP,
> which had nothing to do with the Black Panthers in general or Cleaver in
> particular, hasn't denounced Soul On Ice. I had a point, here, but I can't
> seem to remember what it was..."

The point is, turd-for-brains, that _Soul on Ice_ is readily available to
ANYONE with access to a library.  Either of the two tracts mentioned by
Kenny McOyVay are rather more difficult to access.  That alone is a
significant difference, but why make bones about it?  It all boils down
to, _Soul on Ice_ is minority racism, and thus acceptable to liberal slime
like you, while anything pro-White is not minority racism, and therefore
not acceptable to you.
 
Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) makes pretensions of
intellectual standing by writing: 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote: 
>>Laura Finsten wrote:

(snip)

>>>   ..The
>>>   new metallurgy...spread rapidly over sub-Saharan Africa in a few
>>>   centuries."  B.M. Fagan, "People of the Earth". 5th edition, 1986.
>>>   Little, Brown. p.360.
>  
>>>   "Ironworking farmers were living near the great East African lakes by
>>>   the third century A.D., by the banks of the Zambezi River at approximately
>>>   the same time, and crossing the Limpopo into South Africa during the
>>>   first millenium A.D.  They introduced farming and domestic animals into
>>>   wide areas of Africa..." B.M. Fagan, "People of the Earth". 5th edition,
>>>   1986.  Little, Brown. p.360.
> 
>>So a few Congoids were smelting iron as early as 1100 years after its use 
>>became common in the Mediterranean (approx. 1400 BC). And the Iron Age 
>>had finally spread across all of Africa about 1700 years after its use 
>>had spread across Europe (approx. 700 BC).
> 
> "a few Congids"???  Look at a map.  That is a large proportion of the
> continent.

Population density, you dummy.  To look at a map of Canada, one would find
it difficult to believe that only 29 million people live there, and that
the majority of the population is concentrated along the border with the U.S.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun 10 10:32:06 PDT 1996
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Geezus, are you guys ever a bunch of Nervous Nellies.  Simple fact is, the
firearms-laws passed by the National Socialists in 1938 (that's five years 
after they came into power, FYI) were far less stringent than those that
had been crafted in 1928 by the Weimar Republic.

Les







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Richard Glen Cheek (rcheek@pop.erols.com) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> 
>> Geezus, are you guys ever a bunch of Nervous Nellies.  Simple fact is, the
>> firearms-laws passed by the National Socialists in 1938 (that's five years
>> after they came into power, FYI) were far less stringent than those that
>> had been crafted in 1928 by the Weimar Republic.
>> 
>> LesUnless you were Jewish or didn't want to join the Wermacht.

You're wrong on both counts.  I have, and have read, both the 1928 gun
laws and the 1938 gun laws that were enacted in Germany, the former by the
Weimar, the latter by the National Socialists.  Regarding your claim, the
only restriction against jews was as gun DEALERS.  Jews were allowed to
own firearms for personal, or property protection.  Nor is there any
mention in the 1938 gun laws about the Wermacht.  You're full of it.

BTW, is there any particular reason you e-mailed me this TWICE?

Les




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"D.B. Cooper" (obscure@tribeca.ios.com) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> 
>> Geezus, are you guys ever a bunch of Nervous Nellies.  Simple fact is, the
>> firearms-laws passed by the National Socialists in 1938 (that's five years
>> after they came into power, FYI) were far less stringent than those that
>> had been crafted in 1928 by the Weimar Republic.
> 
> Les baby! Getting bored with your little Nazi meetings, that you have to
> poke your ugly snout in MAM? Jews were not allowed to own firearms (or 
> anything for that matter) under the Nazi regime. 

Bull.  Read the laws that you keep working yourself into a lather over. 
You're wrong. 

> In Poland, during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, Jews had only 5 (smuggled
> and illegal) firearms, to defend themselves with. But they still managed
> managed to put up such a stiff resistance, that the Nazi's had to 
> bombard the ghetto with artillary shells. Same thing happened in the 
> Lodz ghetto.

And how is a ghetto representative of how jews lived in pre-WWII Germany? 
The ghetto was a prison, _non_?  Is it wise to allow prisoners to have guns?

Les




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Sam J. Turner (sjt@kelvin.bham.ac.uk) writes:
> Ian McKinney (mckinney@usaor.net) wrote:
> : james@tardis.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton) wrote:
> 
> : Can you cite a study showing
> : >not only that AVERAGE black IQs are lower than AVERAGE white IQs, but
> : >also that the vast bulk of blacks have lower IQs than the white
> : >average? 
> 
> : >James
> 
> : The "Bell Curve" contains numerous studies. 
> 
> Read it again, slowmo. Or would you like a little picture.
> One average is lower than the other average. OK?
> But the variance within the two groups is more than
> the difference between them. OK?
> So about half the black population can have an IQ
> higher than the overall average or the white average.

Incorrect.  The negro overlap of the White IQ AVERAGE is in the range of
10-15 per cent, not 50%.

> And from the speed at which you are understanding this I
> would imagine your IQ to be well below either average, and
> indeed the bulk of either group.

And from the audacity with which you spout such an obvious lie, I would
imagine that either your courage, or your stupidity, are FAR above average.

Les



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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> : >     The media has portrayed Black men as being good only on the athletic
> : > playing fields, in the bedroom, and in prison.  Look at the movies,
> : > television, and the news.  The news is a great example- ever notice how
> : > most news shows always manage to get pictures of Black suspects in
> : > crime, but almost never one of a White suspect?
> 
> : Has it ever occurred to your pustule-that-passes-for-a-brain that maybe
> : that's because many suspects in crimes are black?
> 
>     Who are you to say anyone has a "pustule-that-passes-for-a-brain"?
>     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?

Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.

> The Unabomber? 

Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
bomber, being left-wing and all.

Phil, you're so full of shit, that I don't even know where to start with
you.  More likely, I'll just let you blather on, and like most other libs,
you'll just hang yourself when you come out with some patent stupidity or
other that people will KNOW is wrong.  In fact, I can see you building up
to a major boner right now...

Les




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Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4pgqiv$ljk@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Leslie "National Appliance" Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>The point is, turd-for-brains, that _Soul on Ice_ is readily available to
>>ANYONE with access to a library.  Either of the two tracts mentioned by
>>Kenny McOyVay are rather more difficult to access.  That alone is a
>>significant difference, but why make bones about it?  It all boils down
> 
> ZAAAAAAAAAAAAP! Thanks for playing, Leslie... see the bubblehead in 
> the corner to see what YOU'VE won for a consolation prize!
> 
> HERE is the point, Leslie:
> 
> A user made the following assertion - have someone read it to
> you slowly (it has some big words in it) so you will actually
> understand it this time:
> 
>    "So what? You can read considerably more white supremacist 
>    pamphlets which expound upon the virtues of murdering nonwhites, 
>    Catholics, homosexuals and Jews."
> 
> To which the Dauntless Leslie replied:
> 
>    "Really?  Name one."
> 
> I then named not one, but two.

Which compared NOT AT ALL in circulation or availability to _Soul on Ice_.
 That's the sort of semantics we have come to expect from you, turd.




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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> On 8 Jun 1996 00:16:19 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:

>>Why not cut all the psycho-babble bullshit, and just recognize that it's
>>probably because white men don't find black women attractive, unless
>>they're so far over on the light side that they would only be classed as
>>"negresses" in sick, multiracial hegemonies like the U.S. or Canada?

> Leaving aside the obvious observation that what men find attractive is
> subject to the whims of fashion -- check out paintings of "beautiful"
> women from the 18th century some time -- 

You sound like Bill Stuart, who tried to convince anyone that morbidly
obese women were considered beautiful in ancient Greece.

> and that we are constantly hammered by the media (magazines, tv, movies)
> with what is "attractive" (remember when Twiggy was supposed to be sexy?),
> and I offer Lenny Bruce's old question (updated):
> 
> You're stuck for life on an island and you get to choose the woman
> you're stuck with: Rosanne Barr or LaToya Jackson.  You choose,
> Lester.  Be honest, now!

Uh, neither.  Rosanne Barr's a jewess, and LaToya Jackson is a mulatress.

But this is so typical of a liberal:  offer an untenable position, and
force the person with whom they disagree to make a choice.  Although I
will grant that it is one step above the "You may have been a black person
in a previous life!" that some hysterical shit-for-brains e-mailed me a
while back.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 11 16:07:39 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> On 8 Jun 1996 00:16:19 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:

>>Why not cut all the psycho-babble bullshit, and just recognize that it's
>>probably because white men don't find black women attractive, unless
>>they're so far over on the light side that they would only be classed as
>>"negresses" in sick, multiracial hegemonies like the U.S. or Canada?

> Leaving aside the obvious observation that what men find attractive is
> subject to the whims of fashion -- check out paintings of "beautiful"
> women from the 18th century some time -- 

You sound like Bill Stuart, who tried to convince anyone that morbidly
obese women were considered beautiful in ancient Greece.

> and that we are constantly hammered by the media (magazines, tv, movies)
> with what is "attractive" (remember when Twiggy was supposed to be sexy?),
> and I offer Lenny Bruce's old question (updated):
> 
> You're stuck for life on an island and you get to choose the woman
> you're stuck with: Rosanne Barr or LaToya Jackson.  You choose,
> Lester.  Be honest, now!

Uh, neither.  Rosanne Barr's a jewess, and LaToya Jackson is a mulatress.

But this is so typical of a liberal:  offer an untenable position, and
force the person with whom they disagree to make a choice.  Although I
will grant that it is one step above the "You may have been a black person
in a previous life!" that some hysterical shit-for-brains e-mailed me a
while back.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 11 16:07:41 PDT 1996
Article: 31941 of alt.politics.white-power
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4pft7f$fu8@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net "Ian McKinney" writes:

(snip)

Caesar, you CLAIM not to be a Marxist.  So, then, why do you insist on
calling every non-communist a "fascist", which you appear to be
discontinuing with this post.  And why do you insist on calling me and
others "Nazis"?  We've made it plain that we are not.  It's a lot of fun
until it starts being you, eh?

>> Of course, I can't neglect to mention that a lot of Jews participated
>> and directed these sadistic operations.
> 
> You are clearly an anti-semite.

Ah, here we see classical liberalism at its best:  can't refute the facts,
so resorts to name-calling.

> (BTW, if Jews were behind communism, how come neither Lenin 
> nor Stalin nor Kruschev, nor Gorbachev were Jews? 
> Stalin was planning a purge of Jews just before he died)

So?  Stalin realised that his hold on power was extremely tenuous with a
disruptive, subversive minority like jews around.  Is it anti-semitism to
deal with reality?  Apparently so, with people like you.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 11 16:36:32 PDT 1996
Article: 22375 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> On 8 Jun 1996 00:16:19 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:

>>Why not cut all the psycho-babble bullshit, and just recognize that it's
>>probably because white men don't find black women attractive, unless
>>they're so far over on the light side that they would only be classed as
>>"negresses" in sick, multiracial hegemonies like the U.S. or Canada?

> Leaving aside the obvious observation that what men find attractive is
> subject to the whims of fashion -- check out paintings of "beautiful"
> women from the 18th century some time -- 

You sound like Bill Stuart, who tried to convince anyone that morbidly
obese women were considered beautiful in ancient Greece.

> and that we are constantly hammered by the media (magazines, tv, movies)
> with what is "attractive" (remember when Twiggy was supposed to be sexy?),
> and I offer Lenny Bruce's old question (updated):
> 
> You're stuck for life on an island and you get to choose the woman
> you're stuck with: Rosanne Barr or LaToya Jackson.  You choose,
> Lester.  Be honest, now!

Uh, neither.  Rosanne Barr's a jewess, and LaToya Jackson is a mulatress.

But this is so typical of a liberal:  offer an untenable position, and
force the person with whom they disagree to make a choice.  Although I
will grant that it is one step above the "You may have been a black person
in a previous life!" that some hysterical shit-for-brains e-mailed me a
while back.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 11 16:36:33 PDT 1996
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4pft7f$fu8@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net "Ian McKinney" writes:

(snip)

Caesar, you CLAIM not to be a Marxist.  So, then, why do you insist on
calling every non-communist a "fascist", which you appear to be
discontinuing with this post.  And why do you insist on calling me and
others "Nazis"?  We've made it plain that we are not.  It's a lot of fun
until it starts being you, eh?

>> Of course, I can't neglect to mention that a lot of Jews participated
>> and directed these sadistic operations.
> 
> You are clearly an anti-semite.

Ah, here we see classical liberalism at its best:  can't refute the facts,
so resorts to name-calling.

> (BTW, if Jews were behind communism, how come neither Lenin 
> nor Stalin nor Kruschev, nor Gorbachev were Jews? 
> Stalin was planning a purge of Jews just before he died)

So?  Stalin realised that his hold on power was extremely tenuous with a
disruptive, subversive minority like jews around.  Is it anti-semitism to
deal with reality?  Apparently so, with people like you.

Les



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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> On 8 Jun 1996 00:16:19 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:

>>Why not cut all the psycho-babble bullshit, and just recognize that it's
>>probably because white men don't find black women attractive, unless
>>they're so far over on the light side that they would only be classed as
>>"negresses" in sick, multiracial hegemonies like the U.S. or Canada?

> Leaving aside the obvious observation that what men find attractive is
> subject to the whims of fashion -- check out paintings of "beautiful"
> women from the 18th century some time -- 

You sound like Bill Stuart, who tried to convince anyone that morbidly
obese women were considered beautiful in ancient Greece.

> and that we are constantly hammered by the media (magazines, tv, movies)
> with what is "attractive" (remember when Twiggy was supposed to be sexy?),
> and I offer Lenny Bruce's old question (updated):
> 
> You're stuck for life on an island and you get to choose the woman
> you're stuck with: Rosanne Barr or LaToya Jackson.  You choose,
> Lester.  Be honest, now!

Uh, neither.  Rosanne Barr's a jewess, and LaToya Jackson is a mulatress.

But this is so typical of a liberal:  offer an untenable position, and
force the person with whom they disagree to make a choice.  Although I
will grant that it is one step above the "You may have been a black person
in a previous life!" that some hysterical shit-for-brains e-mailed me a
while back.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> On 8 Jun 1996 00:16:19 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:

>>Why not cut all the psycho-babble bullshit, and just recognize that it's
>>probably because white men don't find black women attractive, unless
>>they're so far over on the light side that they would only be classed as
>>"negresses" in sick, multiracial hegemonies like the U.S. or Canada?

> Leaving aside the obvious observation that what men find attractive is
> subject to the whims of fashion -- check out paintings of "beautiful"
> women from the 18th century some time -- 

You sound like Bill Stuart, who tried to convince anyone that morbidly
obese women were considered beautiful in ancient Greece.

> and that we are constantly hammered by the media (magazines, tv, movies)
> with what is "attractive" (remember when Twiggy was supposed to be sexy?),
> and I offer Lenny Bruce's old question (updated):
> 
> You're stuck for life on an island and you get to choose the woman
> you're stuck with: Rosanne Barr or LaToya Jackson.  You choose,
> Lester.  Be honest, now!

Uh, neither.  Rosanne Barr's a jewess, and LaToya Jackson is a mulatress.

But this is so typical of a liberal:  offer an untenable position, and
force the person with whom they disagree to make a choice.  Although I
will grant that it is one step above the "You may have been a black person
in a previous life!" that some hysterical shit-for-brains e-mailed me a
while back.

Les




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Mark T Pitcavage (mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) writes:
> In article <834355093$580@atype.com>, R1488  wrote:
>>
>>Anyone interested in the truth about Hitler and gun control can obtain an
>>extensively researched translation of Nazi gun related laws and policies.
>>Send $12 to National Vanguard Books - P.O. Box 330, Hillsboro, WV 24946.
>>Ask for GUN CONTROL IN GERMANY, 1928-1945 (book contains copies of
>>original german laws , next to english translations, fully documented)
>>also ask for their excellent book catalogue for patriots.
>>
>>   Most of the false statements attributed to Hitler on the issue of gun
>>control are promoted by the milwaukee based JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF
>>FIREARMS.  The JFTPF has admitted in newspaper interviews that the group
>>is more concerned with discrediting "anti-semites"  than they are in
>>preserving the second amendment.  This they say, is because so many jewish
>>groups are involved in gun control lobbying that the JFTPF feared a rise
>>in "antisemitism" from liberterians.
>>
>>-Mike
> 
> So is Pierce paying you to make this post?  Or is he just sending you free 
> copies of 'The Turner Diaries'?

Has it ever occurred to you, Mark, that perhaps he finds people
misrepresenting facts to be offensive, and he is not so whimpy as to be
scared of telling the truth?

Les




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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> On 8 Jun 1996 00:16:19 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:

>>Why not cut all the psycho-babble bullshit, and just recognize that it's
>>probably because white men don't find black women attractive, unless
>>they're so far over on the light side that they would only be classed as
>>"negresses" in sick, multiracial hegemonies like the U.S. or Canada?

> Leaving aside the obvious observation that what men find attractive is
> subject to the whims of fashion -- check out paintings of "beautiful"
> women from the 18th century some time -- 

You sound like Bill Stuart, who tried to convince anyone that morbidly
obese women were considered beautiful in ancient Greece.

> and that we are constantly hammered by the media (magazines, tv, movies)
> with what is "attractive" (remember when Twiggy was supposed to be sexy?),
> and I offer Lenny Bruce's old question (updated):
> 
> You're stuck for life on an island and you get to choose the woman
> you're stuck with: Rosanne Barr or LaToya Jackson.  You choose,
> Lester.  Be honest, now!

Uh, neither.  Rosanne Barr's a jewess, and LaToya Jackson is a mulatress.

But this is so typical of a liberal:  offer an untenable position, and
force the person with whom they disagree to make a choice.  Although I
will grant that it is one step above the "You may have been a black person
in a previous life!" that some hysterical shit-for-brains e-mailed me a
while back.

Les




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4pft7f$fu8@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net "Ian McKinney" writes:

(snip)

Caesar, you CLAIM not to be a Marxist.  So, then, why do you insist on
calling every non-communist a "fascist", which you appear to be
discontinuing with this post.  And why do you insist on calling me and
others "Nazis"?  We've made it plain that we are not.  It's a lot of fun
until it starts being you, eh?

>> Of course, I can't neglect to mention that a lot of Jews participated
>> and directed these sadistic operations.
> 
> You are clearly an anti-semite.

Ah, here we see classical liberalism at its best:  can't refute the facts,
so resorts to name-calling.

> (BTW, if Jews were behind communism, how come neither Lenin 
> nor Stalin nor Kruschev, nor Gorbachev were Jews? 
> Stalin was planning a purge of Jews just before he died)

So?  Stalin realised that his hold on power was extremely tenuous with a
disruptive, subversive minority like jews around.  Is it anti-semitism to
deal with reality?  Apparently so, with people like you.

Les



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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?

Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who is
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.

> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)

But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
 
Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who was
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
 
> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)
 
But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 
Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold, aka Bucky, (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Then you haven't been paying attention, or else you let NOTHING get in
> : the way of your bigotry.
> 
>     Les, you have no right to call anyone a bigot.  You're about the
> last person who should do so.  Got it?  Good.

Actually, Philsy, my handy-dandy New Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines
"bigot" as one intolerantly devoted to his or her own church, party, or
OPINION (capitals mine).  That definition suits you liberals to a "tee".

> : I recall one of you liberal turds just recently asked me if I "hated" 
> : a whole slew of non-Whites, to which I replied "no", to which Phil K. 
> : couter-replied "bullshit".  Tell me, Caesar, why do you guys even 
> : bother asking such questions if you already know the answers? 
> 
>     *I* responded to your answers to *his* question.  *He* asked, not
> me, and no, we did not team up on this, either.

Typical liberal bigot:  interfere.  You liberals just can't STAND it when
you're not the centre of attention, can you?

Les





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John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser "Bucky" Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA), having thankfully
> stopped wooing me, dribbles:
> 
>> Caesar, you CLAIM not to be a Marxist.  So, then, why do you insist on
>> calling every non-communist a "fascist", which you appear to be
>> discontinuing with this post.  And why do you insist on calling me and
>> others "Nazis"?  We've made it plain that we are not.  It's a lot of fun
>> until it starts being you, eh?
> 
> It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck. But,
> avers Bucky, it isn't a duck. Simple denial is better than explanation.

And simple denial is EXACTLY what we've gotten from Caesar, yobbo.

> How does Bucky, chief Canadian spokesperson for the neo-nazi National
> A-lie-ance, explain the less-than-obvious? No doubt he has something up
> his greasy sleeve like, The Nazis all spoke German and lived in the Third
> Reich. But we're talking beliefs, actions and ideology here, Bucky. Anything
> separating you from the Nazis is a distinction without a difference.

'Fraid not, Johnnie.  But thanks for playing.

No, it's a lot easier for turkeys like you to be able to pigeon-hole us. 
Call me a Nazi all you like.  What you tell the masses, and what they can
discern for themselves, are two very different things.  The majority of
people are not nearly as stupid as you wish/require them to be.

Your position depends ENTIRELY on getting ONLY your definitions out.  ANY
true information about us exposes you for the liars that you are, and
we're getting more exposure each day.  Sleep well.

> [Caesar]
> 
>>> (BTW, if Jews were behind communism, how come neither Lenin 
>>> nor Stalin nor Kruschev, nor Gorbachev were Jews? 
>>> Stalin was planning a purge of Jews just before he died)
> 
> [Bucky]
> 
>> So?  Stalin realised that his hold on power was extremely tenuous with a
>> disruptive, subversive minority like jews around.  Is it anti-semitism to
>> deal with reality?  Apparently so, with people like you.
> 
> This is a very subtle rhetorical move indeed for a cognitively-challenged
> chimp like Bucky. Apparently he is arguing that 1) Jews are behind
> communism, and  2) Jews subvert communism, to the extent that communists
> need to purge them. I would say that Bucky is here arguing that black is
> white. Why doesn't he do that on racial issues?

No, I'm arguing that the simplest, most effective way to control the
revolutions (both figuratively and literally) is to control both poles,
ie capitalism and communism.  The jews have figured that one out a long
time ago.

BTW, how's the United Way?  Made your donation yet?

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>  And why do you insist on calling me and
>>others "Nazis"?  We've made it plain that we are not.
> 
> So tell me, Herr Unteruberbuberführer, did your mentor
> William Pierce break with the American Nazi Party and
> its leader Rockwell, ideologically, before he set up
> the National Appliance?

In some aspects, yes.  Dr. Pierce recognizes that what worked in the 1960s
will not work in the 1990s.  Too bad you can't.

But as I said to John Baglow, go ahead and categorize us any way you want
to.  What's REALLY funny is when shrieky harridans like you compare me to
a Reformer, because you disagree with BOTH of us.  Your little mind simply
can't get around the concept that two people CAN disagree with you and
each other.

Les


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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?

Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who is
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.

> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)

But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
 
Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who was
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
 
> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)
 
But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 
Les




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Subject: Re: Are the media inaccurate? (was: Beauty Race and Gender)
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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?

Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who is
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.

> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)

But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
 
Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who was
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
 
> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)
 
But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 
Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?

Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who is
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.

> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)

But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
 
(snip)
 
> : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how most
> : > news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is many years ago,
> : > of a Black suspect, while almost never getting any of a White suspect? 
> : > And have you noticed how many stories about crimes committed by Blacks
> : > are blown out of proportion- funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and
> : > countless others- but how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
>     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
 
Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.  But now that
knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina wife who was
pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned away from the
"white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
 
> : > The Unabomber? 
> 
> : Not too much.  Might be because he doesn't fit the profile of a "Natsee"
> : bomber, being left-wing and all.
> 
>     His political views have nothing to do with my point, which you
> obviously don't get (so what else is new?)
 
But if he was a Randy Weaver, that would have been all over the news, and
we'd hear no end of it.
 
Les




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James Hammerton (james@tardis.ed.ac.uk) writes:
> Duncan R. MacMillan (Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>> 	In article 
>> james@tardis.ed.ac.uk "James Hammerton" writes:

>> > Do you have ANY evidence that the blacks with high IQs are crossbred
>> > with whites, and that the rest aren't? 
> 
>> 	Africa.
> 
> What about it?

That you don't understand what the word "Africa" means, shows that you are
an ignorant sot.  Let's explain the concept of the "wheel" to you, shall we?

Les



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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip - comparing Tim McVeigh's media coverage to OJ's)

> : >     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
> 
> : Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
> : started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.
> 
>     Oh come on!!  We heard plenty about OJ before the trial; everyone
> was convicting him before it even started.

True enough.  But I'm not denying that, Philsy.  What I'm saying, and what
you should address, is the fact that there was a heck of a lot of media
coverage about Tim McVeigh after the OKC bombing.  I dunno why the jewish
media has dropped that one, except that they can't put a racial spin on it
anymore.

> : But now that knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina
> : wife who was pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned 
> : away from the "white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
> 
>     I won't be so quick to buy that one, I find it too hard to believe.

Believe what you want, and find other things "too hard to believe".  It
doesn't change a thing.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip - comparing Tim McVeigh's media coverage to OJ's)

> : >     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
> 
> : Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
> : started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.
> 
>     Oh come on!!  We heard plenty about OJ before the trial; everyone
> was convicting him before it even started.

True enough.  But I'm not denying that, Philsy.  What I'm saying, and what
you should address, is the fact that there was a heck of a lot of media
coverage about Tim McVeigh after the OKC bombing.  I dunno why the jewish
media has dropped that one, except that they can't put a racial spin on it
anymore.

> : But now that knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina
> : wife who was pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned 
> : away from the "white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
> 
>     I won't be so quick to buy that one, I find it too hard to believe.

Believe what you want, and find other things "too hard to believe".  It
doesn't change a thing.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip - comparing Tim McVeigh's media coverage to OJ's)

> : >     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
> 
> : Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
> : started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.
> 
>     Oh come on!!  We heard plenty about OJ before the trial; everyone
> was convicting him before it even started.

True enough.  But I'm not denying that, Philsy.  What I'm saying, and what
you should address, is the fact that there was a heck of a lot of media
coverage about Tim McVeigh after the OKC bombing.  I dunno why the jewish
media has dropped that one, except that they can't put a racial spin on it
anymore.

> : But now that knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina
> : wife who was pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned 
> : away from the "white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
> 
>     I won't be so quick to buy that one, I find it too hard to believe.

Believe what you want, and find other things "too hard to believe".  It
doesn't change a thing.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip - comparing Tim McVeigh's media coverage to OJ's)

> : >     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
> 
> : Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
> : started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.
> 
>     Oh come on!!  We heard plenty about OJ before the trial; everyone
> was convicting him before it even started.

True enough.  But I'm not denying that, Philsy.  What I'm saying, and what
you should address, is the fact that there was a heck of a lot of media
coverage about Tim McVeigh after the OKC bombing.  I dunno why the jewish
media has dropped that one, except that they can't put a racial spin on it
anymore.

> : But now that knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina
> : wife who was pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned 
> : away from the "white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
> 
>     I won't be so quick to buy that one, I find it too hard to believe.

Believe what you want, and find other things "too hard to believe".  It
doesn't change a thing.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip - comparing Tim McVeigh's media coverage to OJ's)

> : >     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
> 
> : Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
> : started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.
> 
>     Oh come on!!  We heard plenty about OJ before the trial; everyone
> was convicting him before it even started.

True enough.  But I'm not denying that, Philsy.  What I'm saying, and what
you should address, is the fact that there was a heck of a lot of media
coverage about Tim McVeigh after the OKC bombing.  I dunno why the jewish
media has dropped that one, except that they can't put a racial spin on it
anymore.

> : But now that knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina
> : wife who was pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned 
> : away from the "white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
> 
>     I won't be so quick to buy that one, I find it too hard to believe.

Believe what you want, and find other things "too hard to believe".  It
doesn't change a thing.

Les




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:

(snip)

> What do you define yourself as?

An Aryan.  A White patriot.
 
> You (IIRC, maybe Ken McVay has the post archived) once objected to the fact
> that Sikh ex-servicemen and members of the Royal Canadian Legion were allowed
> to keep their turbans on inside. When people countered you by saying the
> Sikhs had fought for the British Empire in WW2 against Nazi Germany, you said
> that it was to the Allies eternal shame that the used non-white troops to
> fight their "racial brethren".
> 
> This suggests that you prefer that Nazi Germany hadn't have been defeated.
> It also suggests a preoccupation with race, which is common in fascist
> ideologies.

And...?  I would also have prefered that the Tsar hadn't fallen to communism,
and I would also have prefered if unions hadn't established a toe-hold in
our society,  butI fail to see how that "suggests" that I have a
preoccupation with serfdom, or rampnat capitalism and robber barons.

Les


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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:

(snip)

> What do you define yourself as?

An Aryan.  A White patriot.
 
> You (IIRC, maybe Ken McVay has the post archived) once objected to the fact
> that Sikh ex-servicemen and members of the Royal Canadian Legion were allowed
> to keep their turbans on inside. When people countered you by saying the
> Sikhs had fought for the British Empire in WW2 against Nazi Germany, you said
> that it was to the Allies eternal shame that the used non-white troops to
> fight their "racial brethren".
> 
> This suggests that you prefer that Nazi Germany hadn't have been defeated.
> It also suggests a preoccupation with race, which is common in fascist
> ideologies.

And...?  I would also have prefered that the Tsar hadn't fallen to communism,
and I would also have prefered if unions hadn't established a toe-hold in
our society,  butI fail to see how that "suggests" that I have a
preoccupation with serfdom, or rampnat capitalism and robber barons.

Les


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Especially for the Holocausters, who place so much emphasis on the
importance of eyewitness testimony...

>From  stormfront.org!murungu@interserv.com  Fri Jun  7 06:43:57 1996
 
 
I think this message that I recently received from another listserv
will be of interest to many Stormfronters.  It should also be of
interest to the lurking spies here who serve the Jews [you know who
you are] to assist them in understanding what exactly it is that they
are condoning/supporting.
 
There are voices who say: 'we have to be moderate!' and 'let's
be nice to other peoples and races!'  But when these 'others' are in
positions of power over =our= people, how do we fare at their hands?
The notes below help to provide an answer, and should assist in
clarifying our mission.  Not for the squeamish!
 
Note please that Ilya Ehrenburg was a Jew.  Ehrenburg alone serves as
excellent cause for interning or deporting [or use your imagination]
all the world's Jews from Aryan societies.
 
<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
Date: Fri, 31 May 96 05:16:07 -0700 (PDT)...
 
...published recently in "Der Freiwillige, June 1995, pages 10-11, under the
title "In Their Terror All Were Alike," written (or edited) by Hans Koppe.
 
". . . Since the same old stories of war crimes allegedly committed by the
Germans are being parroted over and over again in prayer-wheel fashion,
particularly by the younger generations who are too lazy (or deliberately
unwilling) to obtain a real grasp of the subject through the study of
documents from the archives of our former enemies' documents which are both
accessible and irrefutable - we wish to call to mind the following report
which first appeared 30 years ago in the Deutschland Journal of April 23,
on p. 7 of issue 17.
 
It is supplemented with the eyewitness report of an armoured infantryman
who recorded his impressions on March 7, 1995. P. 7, issue 17, April 23,
1965 (Deutschland-Journal). Report of the German-Brazilian citizen Leonora
Geier, nee Cavoa, born on October 22, 1925 in Sao Paulo, Brazil.   Before
the expulsion she lived in Hirschberg, Bahnstrasse 8.
 
Present at the writing of this report:
 
Bernhard Wassmann, born on May 10, 1901, Bautzen, Senftenberger Strasse 15;
 
Reiner Halhammer, born on February 3, 1910, Bautzen, Sterngasse 2;
 
Manfred Haer, born on April 9, 1929, Gorlitz, A.Bebel-Strasse 1;
 
KyrillWratilavo, born on March 3, 1918,
Bautzen, Karl-Marx-Strasse 25.
 
The witnesses present confirm that the aforementioned, Leonora Geier, made
this report without any coercion, threats or other outside influence,
motivated solely by the need to make the terrible events of the time of the
German Reich's collapse known to posterity since she has received
permission to emigrate to Brazil.
 
The report was drawn up on October 6, 1955 and discusses the events of
February 16, 17 and 18 1945, which are already partially known. At that
time the witness was employed as typist in Camp "Vilmsee" of the RAD), the
Women's Labour Service.  Being a Brazilian. she was considered by the
Russian Army to be an ally put to forced labour in the .service of the
National-Socialist state.
 
These prerogatives were attested to by a document which she presented here
and which bears the rubber stamp of the First White Russian Army. Since the
present report disregards existing moral standards and sexual taboos, it
must under no circumstances be made available to underage persons.
 
All events are recounted in a plain, straight-forward manner in order to
document historical accuracy. Nothing has been added, nothing was withheld.
 
 
Bernhard Wassmann and Manfred Haer were members of the Infantry Artillery
and Training Company I. G. 81 and were assigned to rescue operations in the
aforementioned camp when the city of Neustettin was occupied following the
temporary retreat of the First White Russian Army:
 
"On the morning of February 16 [19451 a Russian division occupied the Reich
Labour Service camp of Vilmsee in Neustettin. The Commissar, who spoke
German well, informed me that the camp was dissolved and that, as we were a
uniformed unit, we were to be transported immediately to a collecting camp.
 
 
Since 1, being a Brazilian, belonged to a nation on friendly terms with the
Allies, he entrusted me with the leadership of the transport which went to
Neustettin, into the yard of what used to be an iron foundry. We were some
500 girls from the Women's Reich Labour Service.
 
The Commissar was very polite to us and assigned us to the foreign workers'
barracks of the factory. But the allocated space was too small
for 11 of us, and so I went to speak to the Commissar about it.
 
He said that it was, after all, only a temporary arrangement, and offered
that I could come to the typists' office if it was too crowded for me,
which I gladly accepted. He immediately warned me to avoid any further
contact with the others, as those were members of an illegal army. My
protests that this was not true were cut off with the remark that if I ever
said anything like that ever again, I would be shot.
 
Suddenly I heard loud screams, and immediately two Red Army soldiers
brought in five girls. The commissar ordered them to undress. When they
refused out of modesty, he ordered me to do it to them, and for all of us
to follow him.
 
We crossed the yard to the former works kitchen, which had been completely
cleared out except for a few tables on the window side. It was terribly
cold, and the poor girls shivered. In the large, tiled room some Russians
were waiting for us, making remarks that must have been very obscene,
judging from how everything they said drew gales of laughter.
 
The Commissar told me to watch and learn how to turn the Master Race into
whimpering bits of misery. Now two Poles came in, dressed only in trousers,
and the girls cried out at their sight. They quickly grabbed the first of
the girls, and bent her backwards over the edge of the table until her
joints cracked. I was close to passing out as one of them took his knife
and, before the very eyes of the other girls, cut off her right breast. He
paused for a moment, then cut off the other side.
 
I have never-heard anyone scream as desperately as that girl. After this
operation he drove his knife into her abdomen several times, which again
was accompanied by the cheers of the Russians.
 
The next girl cried for mercy, but in vain, it even seemed that the
gruesome deed was done particularly slowly because she was especially
pretty. The other three had collapsed, they cried for their mothers and
begged for a quick death, but the same fate awaited them as well.
 
The last of them was still almost a child, with barely developed breasts.
They literally tore the flesh off her ribs until the white bones showed.
 
Another five girls were brought in. They had been carefully chosen this
time. All of them were well-developed and pretty. When they saw the bodies
of their predecessors they began to cry and scream. Weakly, they tried
desperately to defend themselves, but it did them no good as the Poles grew
ever more cruel.
 
They sliced the body of one of them open lengthwise and poured in a can of
machine oil, which they tried to light. A Russian shot one of the other
girls in the genitals before they cut off her breasts.
 
Loud howls of approval began when someone brought a saw from a tool chest.
This was used to tear off the breasts of the other girls, which soon caused
the floor to be awash in blood. The Russians were in a blood frenzy.
 
More girls were being brought in continually. I saw these grisly
proceedings as through a red haze. Over and over again I heard the terrible
screams when the breasts were tortured, and the loud groans at the
mutilation of the genitals.
 
When my knees buckled I was forced onto a chair. The Commissar always made
sure that I was watching, and when I had to throw up they even paused in
their tortures.
 
One girl had not undressed completely, she may also have been a little
older than the others, who were around seventeen years of age. They soaked
her bra with oil and set it on fire, and while she screamed, a thin iron
rod was shoved into her vagina until it came out her navel.
 
In the yard entire groups of girls were clubbed to death after the
prettiest of them had been selected for this torture. The air was filled
with the death cries of many hundreds of girls. But compared to what
happened in here, the beating to death outside was almost humane.
 
It was a horrible fact that not one of the girls mutilated here ever
fainted. Each of them suffered mutilation fully conscious. In their terror
all of them were alike in their pleading; it was always the same, the
begging for mercy, the high-pitched scream when the breasts were cut and
the groans when the genitals were mutilated.
 
The slaughter was interrupted several times to sweep the blood out of the
room and to clear away the bodies. That evening I succumbed to a severe
case of nervous fever. I do not remember anything from that point on until
I came to in a field hospital.
 
German troops had temporarily recaptured Neustettin, thus liberating us. As
I learned later, some 2,000 girls who had been in RAD, BDM and other camps
nearby were murdered in the first three days of Russian occupation."
 
(signed) Mrs. Leonora Geier, nee Cavoa
 
Copy of a handwritten report:
 
"I read the account of an eyewitness, Mrs. Leonora Geier. The bestiality
she experienced, and described in her account, is 100% true. and a typical
reflection of the fantasies and exhortations of the Soviet propagandist and
chief ideologist Ilya Ehrenburg.
 
This bestiality was a tactical measure intended to force the German
population to flee from the Eastern regions en masse, and was the rule
rather than the exception all the way over to the Oder River.
 
What I myself witnessed:
 
I was an armoured infantryman and had been trained on the most modern
German tank of those days, the Panther. Survivors from tank crews were
reassembled in the Reserves at Cottbus and kept ready for action.
 
In mid January, 1945, we were transferred to Frankfurt on the Oder River,
into a school building. One morning we were issued infantry weapons, guns,
bazookas and submachine guns.
 
The next day we were ordered to march to Neustettin. We traveled the first
60 miles or so by lorry, and after that  some 90 miles per day in forced
marches.
 
We were to take over some tanks that were kept ready for us in a forest
west of Neustettin. After a march lasting two days and nights, some ten
crews reached the forest just before dawn.
 
Two tanks were immediately readied for action and guarded the approach
roads while the other comrades, bone-weary, got a little sleep. By noon all
tanks, approximately 20, had been readied.
 
Our orders were to set up a front-line and to recapture villages and towns
>from  the Russians. My platoon of three tanks attacked a suburb that had a
train station with a forecourt. After we destroyed several anti-tank guns
the Russians surrendered.
 
More and more of them emerged from the houses. They were gathered into the
forecourt about 200 sat crowded closely together. Then something unexpected
happened.
 
Several German women ran towards the Russians and stabbed at them with
cutlery forks and knives. It was our responsibility to protect prisoners,
and we could not permit this. But it was not until I fired a submachine gun
into the air that the women drew back, and cursed us for presuming to
protect these animals. They urged us to go into the houses and take a look
at what (the Russians) had done there.
 
We did so, a few of us at a time, and we were totally devastated. We had
never seen anything like it utterly, unbelievably monstrous! Naked, dead
women lay in many of the rooms. Swastikas had been cut into their abdomens,
in some the intestines bulged out, breasts were cut up, faces beaten to a
pulp and swollen puffy.
 
Others had been tied to the furniture by their hands and feet, and
massacred. A broomstick protruded from the vagina of one, a besom from that
of another, etc. To me, a young man of 24 years at that time, it was a
devastating sight, simply incomprehensible!
 
Then the women told their story:
 
The mothers had had to witness how their teen and twelve-year-old daughters
were raped by some 20 men; the daughters in turn saw their mothers being
raped, even their grandmothers.
 
Women who tried to resist were brutally tortured to death. There was no
mercy. Many women were not local; they had come there from other towns,
fleeing from the Russians.
 
They also told us of the fate of the girls from the RAD whose barracks had
been captured by the Russians. When the butchery of the girls began, a few
of them had been able to crawl underneath the barracks and hide. At night
they escaped, and told us what they knew. There were three of them.
 
The women and girls saw parts of what Mrs. Leonora Geier described. The
women we liberated were in a state almost impossible to describe. They were
overfatigued and their faces had a confused, vacant look. Some were beyond
speaking, ran up and down and moaned the same sentences over and over
again.
 
Having seen the consequences of these bestial atrocities, we were terribly
agitated and determined to fight. We knew the war was past winning; but it
was our obligation and sacred duty to fight to the last bullet . . ."
 
<----  End Forwarded Message  ---->

Is that the sort of thing you "anti-fascitsts" REALLY have in store for
our women?

Les



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Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
 
(snip)
 
Caesar:
>> >> There are also lots of white people who aren't law-abiding.
> 
> Where I live, most crimes of all kinds are committed by whites, 
> usually druggies. So only a racist type person would claim that 
> criminals are one race or another. 
 
BWAHAHAHA!!!  Wotta stupid thing to say!
 
Actually, thanks for making that point, Chucky, which allows me to make
the following observation:  too many people fall into the black/white
dichotomy, which states that if a criminal is not black, he MUST be white,
ie Colombian mestizo drug dealers are "white".
 
Please do not go running like a feeb with this, responding as if I said
there are NO white criminals.  There are.  Point is, though, that does NOT
negate the existance of non-white criminals.
 
> One thing which must be done by our 
> society is provide everyone with opportunities to earn decent wages 
> when they work. 

???  
> Another thing we should do is recognize that all races 
> have criminals, Japan has a mafia very similar to our own. Korea, both 
> So. & No. produce criminals. The Russians, are now undergowing a 
> transition from a dictatorship to more or less a demoncracy, and the 
> crooks are running loose just like they did here in the 20s and 30s. 
> So to argue that any race is worse than any other race criminal-wise 
> is foolish. 
 
You were right up to that last sentence.  Crime IS universal, although I
think that in Russia you are referring to the so-called Russian mafia,
which is largely jewish.
 
>> >Typical liberal response, as if white crime somehow makes black crime
>> >acceptable, or excusable.  I've yet to see anyone deny that some whites
>> >commit crime, Caesar.
> 
> And who have you seen that denies that other races also committ 
> crimes?
 
Do try not to be a boner, all right?  Everyone will have a much better
time if you aren't such a transparent ass.
 
(snip - misattribution of Bob Whitaker's words to me by Cthulhu)
 
> Chuck says: I don't see anybody saying anything of the kind. But let's 
> not rant and rave about just the minority criminals. All criminals are 
> bad people. Poverty among other things contribute to raising 
> criminals. It's not a black vs white issue at all. Racism, as 
> practiced by Les, aggravates the problems. We have a country here, 
> let's work to make it better. 
 
Geez, Chucky, you sound like you should be accosting people on the street
for the Dianetics Foundation, or at least selling flowers in airports.
 
Or do you already?
 
Les




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Kirk Johnson (newkirk@olympus.net) writes:
> Hi there!
> 
> I'd like to tell you all a little bit about myself.
>
> I am 100% white: mostly Swedish, French, English, maybe a few others mixed
> in there. I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, and will do so again this
> year. I was mildly disappointed in 92, however. I worked on the Jerry
> Brown campaign, and was looking forward to voting for him and Jesse
> Jackson in the general election instead of Clinton and  Al Gore. Oh well,
> such is politics.
> 
> I am living with a black woman who I love, and who is very beautiful.

Ho-hum, another race-traitor.  Big deal.  You and evil Beavis would hit it
off great.

> We've been going out for about four years. We'll probably have beautiful
> brown babies one day. 

Yep, just get your defective genes out of the White Race.
 
(rest of liberal hogwash deleted)

Quite frankly, Kirk, assuming this isn't a troll, you aren't telling us
ANYTHING that we don't already know, ie that liberals are anti-White racists.

Les




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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

>> What has the skinhead culture done to advance Aryan survival?  
> 
> Probably not a hell of a lot.  Then again, what have fast-food workers or
> nursery-school children done to advance Aryan survival?  Your question is
> about as approriate as that.  Skinheads don't exist to advance the
> survival of an Indo-European language group.  Try again.

Typical jew:  Aryan does NOT refer solely to Indo-European languages.  But
I can't really blame you for repeating lies to give yourself a tenable
position.  Heck, you couldn't argue with Milton if you didn't, and we know
that it's your nature to be contradictory.

(snip)

>> I've wasted enough of my life on a lost cause.  Our Race died on May 8th,
>> 1945, when the last Nation of _Kultur_ surrendered to anti-culture.  The
>> pathetic state of our youth today illustrates so well our lasting defeat.  
> 
> If "Your Race" died on May 8th, then I guess you're not a white man, huh,
> Miltie?  

Typical jew again, playing games of semantics.  He referred to our RACE,
as opposed to many of the individuals (such as himself) whom are White.
 
Les


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David L Evens (devens@uoguelph.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : "D.B. Cooper" (obscure@tribeca.ios.com) writes:
> : > Les Griswold wrote:
> : >> 
> : >> Geezus, are you guys ever a bunch of Nervous Nellies.  Simple fact is, the
> : >> firearms-laws passed by the National Socialists in 1938 (that's five years
> : >> after they came into power, FYI) were far less stringent than those that
> : >> had been crafted in 1928 by the Weimar Republic.
> : > 
> : > Les baby! Getting bored with your little Nazi meetings, that you have to
> : > poke your ugly snout in MAM? Jews were not allowed to own firearms (or 
> : > anything for that matter) under the Nazi regime. 
> 
> : Bull.  Read the laws that you keep working yourself into a lather over. 
> : You're wrong. 
> 
> You seem to have missed the fact that Jews were not considered to be 
> humans in Nazi Germany, and there are numerous statements made by Nazi 
> officialdom that prove this.  

Irrelevant.  It doesn't change the FACT that the statement that "Jews were not 
allowed to OWN firearms" is wrong, and is typical of the howlers that
germanophobes tell.

Les



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Joseph Pothier (JOSPOTH@worldnet.att.net) writes:
> Dear Les,
> 
> Several days ago I posted to you re. the 1938 German weapons law. 
> Since then I have received *numerous* e-mail from other members of 
> this newsgroup to the effect that you are an agent of Pierce's 
> National Alliance.

An "agent"?  Now THAT'S rich!
 
> Please confirm or deny your association with the National Alliance.

I am indeed associated with them.  So what?  Does that mean that jews WERE
outlawed from owning guns by the 1938 gun law, when they clearly weren't?

Les


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MMedi13720 (mmedi13720@aol.com) writes:
> In article <834320884$10668@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Geezus, are you guys ever a bunch of Nervous Nellies.  Simple fact is, the
>>firearms-laws passed by the National Socialists in 1938 (that's five years 
>>after they came into power, FYI) were far less stringent than those that
>>had been crafted in 1928 by the Weimar Republic.
> 
> Unless you happened to be Jewish, or Catholic, or Gypsy, or Black, or
> homosexual, or anything but a pure aryan. 

But the 1938 gun laws were EXPLICIT in the terms of prohibition.  The
1928, Weimar laws, weren't.  Sorry, you can't pull the wool over peoples'
eyes that easily anymore.

B'sides, you're lying through your teeth.  Jews were NOT prohibited from
OWNING firearms, just from DEALING in them.  They were permitted to own
them for self-defence.

Catholic?  There's no mention of the Catholics WHATSOEVER in the 1938 gun
laws, nor any mention of them being deprived of the right of self-defence
anywhere that I've ever seen; it would be greatly appreciated if you could
steer me somewhere that I COULD read this.

Gypsies?  Notoriously untrustworthy.

Black?  Yep, sure were a lot of them in National Socialit Germany!

Les




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Joseph Pothier (JOSPOTH@worldnet.att.net) writes:
> Dear Les,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> 1. Your association with the NA has nothing to do with what the 
> 1938 Weapons Law does, or does not, say.
> 
> 2. I just wanted to know who I was dealing with.
> 
> 3. I condemn you. I condemn what you stand for. May you rot in 
> hell.

Ouch.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:

(snip - comparing Tim McVeigh's media coverage to OJ's)

> : >     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
> 
> : Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
> : started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.
> 
>     Oh come on!!  We heard plenty about OJ before the trial; everyone
> was convicting him before it even started.

True enough.  But I'm not denying that, Philsy.  What I'm saying, and what
you should address, is the fact that there was a heck of a lot of media
coverage about Tim McVeigh after the OKC bombing.  I dunno why the jewish
media has dropped that one, except that they can't put a racial spin on it
anymore.

> : But now that knowledge that Suspect #2, Terry Nichols, has a Filipina
> : wife who was pregnant with his half-white child, the media has turned 
> : away from the "white supremacist" slant they tried to put on it.
> 
>     I won't be so quick to buy that one, I find it too hard to believe.

Believe what you want, and find other things "too hard to believe".  It
doesn't change a thing.

Les




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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Kirk Johnson (newkirk@olympus.net) writes:
> > Hi there!
> >
> > I'd like to tell you all a little bit about myself.
> >
> > I am 100% white: mostly Swedish, French, English, maybe a few others mixed
> > in there. I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, and will do so again this
> > year. I was mildly disappointed in 92, however. I worked on the Jerry
> > Brown campaign, and was looking forward to voting for him and Jesse
> > Jackson in the general election instead of Clinton and  Al Gore. Oh well,
> > such is politics.
> >
> > I am living with a black woman who I love, and who is very beautiful.
> 
> Ho-hum, another race-traitor.  Big deal.  You and evil Beavis would hit it
> off great.
> 
> > We've been going out for about four years. We'll probably have beautiful
> > brown babies one day.
> 
> Yep, just get your defective genes out of the White Race.
> 
> (rest of liberal hogwash deleted)
> 
> Quite frankly, Kirk, assuming this isn't a troll, you aren't telling us
> ANYTHING that we don't already know, ie that liberals are anti-White racists.
> 
> Les

What about all the defective genes that already exist in our "Aryan" 
gene pool?? People like you Les, and most of the other Germanic or 
Scandinavian racists on this ng??!

eB



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) dribbles:
> Arthur LeBouthillier  wrote:
> 
>>Can you admit it?
> 
> I'll bite. 
> 
>>Q: Do Whites have a right to be racist?
> 
> No one has a right to be racist, if by racist you mean (as do most people
> who use this term) to jump to conclusions about individuals' qualities and
> character based on the perceived "racial" group to which you assign them,
> and to proceed to discriminate against them on those erroneous grounds.

Racism, you dumb bunny, in its simplest definition, means to be aware of
the FACTS of race, just as it's sexist to be aware of the DIFFERENCES in
the sexes.  "Racist" is not a term of defamation; rather, it's a sign that
a person is a little less blind to reality than "anti-racists", who, like
you, are usually good at the ostrich game, but not at facing reality.

>>Q: Is it justice to deny Whites their ethnic and racial rights? 
> 
> Uh, who has "racial rights", and what "ethnic rights" are you referring
> to?

We have a racial right to refer to ourselves as a group, and to determine
that we have rights based on that, and we don't need to justify ourselves
to any god-damn namby-pamby like you.
 
>>Q: Do Whites have human rights too? (i.e. self-determination, ethnicity etc.)
> 
> Are you referring to the UN resolutions protecting the right to self-
> determination of indigenous peoples contained within states?  If not, I
> truly don't see what you are talking about here.  If you are, you seem
> to be ignoring the very different historical contexts of those who are
> protected by such rights to self-determination.

Gee, why am I NOT surprised that Fester engages in a truly spectacular
display of bafflegab when she can't address the question, even with one of
her smart-ass comments?
 
Les






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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk), happy that someone is finally paying 
attention to him, writes: 
> In article <4poq2d$jfr@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

>> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:

>> > What do you define yourself as?

Moi: 
>> An Aryan.  A White patriot.
> 
> You seem to belive that there is a "white country" somewhere
> to be patriotic to.

I do?  Please tell me how I "seem" to be talking about a country.

I'd like for there to be an all-White nation.  I'd REALLY like that.  But
tits like you are dead-set against that.

> Most would disagree, as patriots are loyal to EXISTING NATIONS, 
> such as Britain, France, etc.

That's their problem, not mine.
 
>> > You (IIRC, maybe Ken McVay has the post archived) once objected to the fact
>> > that Sikh ex-servicemen and members of the Royal Canadian Legion were allowed
>> > to keep their turbans on inside. When people countered you by saying the
>> > Sikhs had fought for the British Empire in WW2 against Nazi Germany, you said
>> > that it was to the Allies eternal shame that the used non-white troops to
>> > fight their "racial brethren".
>> > 
>> > This suggests that you prefer that Nazi Germany hadn't have been defeated.
>> > It also suggests a preoccupation with race, which is common in fascist
>> > ideologies.
>> 
>> And...?  I would also have prefered that the Tsar hadn't fallen to communism,
>> and I would also have prefered if unions hadn't established a toe-hold in
>> our society,  butI fail to see how that "suggests" that I have a
>> preoccupation with serfdom, or rampnat capitalism and robber barons.
> 
> 1. Serfdom was abolished by the Tsar Alexander II (?) in 1861

For the sake of argument...

Then what the hell was the Revolution about?  None of its goals were
impossible of attainment through evolution rather than revolution.  Why
the heck did the commie revolutionaries feel the need to destroy the
entire society, rather than work to change things in a nice rational
way?

> 2. Why do you object to workers having the right to join unions and fight 
> for better pay and conditions?

I'm not.  But unions today don't aim for those goals, and you know it.

Les







From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun 15 10:18:27 PDT 1996
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4pl6aj$cj5@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net "Ian McKinney" writes:
> 
>> Caesar  wrote:
>> 
>> >Has it ever occured to you that most black people are
>> >law-abiding citizens?
>> 
>> Yes, but there are one hell of a lot of them who aren't.
> 
> There are also lots of white people who aren't law-abiding.

Typical liberal response, as if white crime somehow makes black crime
acceptable, or excusable.  I've yet to see anyone deny that some whites
commit crime, Caesar.

Les


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Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
> 
> Thanks, Jeanne. I needed that. Some of these people make me sick to my 
> fat old tummy.

So leave, then.  No-one would miss you, there are plenty of liberals to
make the lie of racial equality look as stupid as it is WITHOUT your help.
 But, if you really want to make an ass of yourself, there's nothing I can
(or would) do about it.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4prcgn$ias@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
> 
> [SNIP]
> 
> * > Chuck says: I don't see anybody saying anything of the kind. But let's 
> * > not rant and rave about just the minority criminals. All criminals are 
> * > bad people. Poverty among other things contribute to raising 
> * > criminals. It's not a black vs white issue at all. Racism, as 
> * > practiced by Les, aggravates the problems. We have a country here, 
> * > let's work to make it better. 
> *  
> * Geez, Chucky, you sound like you should be accosting people on the street
> * for the Dianetics Foundation, or at least selling flowers in airports.
> *  
> * Or do you already?
> 
> In Chuck's younger days, he helped liberate the prisoners of deathcamps at
> the end of WWII,

Like (snicker) Dachau?

> so if he wants to sell flowers or just accost you for his
> own reasons, he is perfectly justified in doing so. Just remember that he
> helped save the world from the Nazi SOBs once and he wouldn't hesitate to
> do it again. Thank you, Chuck, and FOAD, schnitzel-boy.

Yes, it's never easy to admit that you were suckered into fighting for the
wrong side.  I don't condemn Chucky for that, but I DO condemn him for his
stance NOW, when hindsight should have opened his eyes a little.

BTW, you silly old harridan, I used to volunteer at the Rideau Veteran's
Home, so put that in your peace pipe and smoke it (or, should I say, put
that in your archives, Kenny).

Les


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Scott Erb (scotterb@maine.maine.edu) writes:
> In article <31C1E90F.74C1@cyberg8t.com>, pendragn@cyberg8t.com says...
> 
>>Of course I would be. That would be like saying that because there is no
>>underlying verification to Judaism that it is not justified to be Jewish.
>>Race does have an underlying reality: blood relations.
> 
> Yikes, your example disproves your case!
> 
> One is only Jewish if one believes in the religion.  

Wrong.

> If I were convert to judiaism, then I would become Jewish.  

By religion only, not by race.

> If a Jewish person converts to anything else, be it atheism or Christianity
> or whatever, he or she would cease being Jewish. 

Wrong.

No wonder there is so much confusion over the jewish Question, and
outright refusal to see what's right in front of their noses by so many
liberals:  they don't even understand the essential nature of jews.

Les



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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>>>> What has the skinhead culture done to advance Aryan survival?  
>>> 
>>> Probably not a hell of a lot.  Then again, what have fast-food workers or
>>> nursery-school children done to advance Aryan survival?  Your question is
>>> about as approriate as that.  Skinheads don't exist to advance the
>>> survival of an Indo-European language group.  Try again.
>> 
>> Typical jew:  Aryan does NOT refer solely to Indo-European languages.  But
>> I can't really blame you for repeating lies to give yourself a tenable
>> position.  Heck, you couldn't argue with Milton if you didn't, and we know
>> that it's your nature to be contradictory.
> 
> You know, Less-lie, you ought to try saving up some of that minimum-wage
> salary you get and buying yourself a sense of humour.
> 
> It's pathetic enough seeing how seriously you take yourself, but when you
> get defensive over a joke, it's almost heart-breakingly sad.

Oh, give me a break.  You KNOW that your statement was full of shit, so
now you retreat into the "I was only joking!" defence.  That's typical Jenn.
 
(snip)

>>>> I've wasted enough of my life on a lost cause.  Our Race died on May 8th,
>>>> 1945, when the last Nation of _Kultur_ surrendered to anti-culture.  The
>>>> pathetic state of our youth today illustrates so well our lasting defeat.  
>>> 
>>> If "Your Race" died on May 8th, then I guess you're not a white man, huh,
>>> Miltie?  
>> 
>> Typical jew again, playing games of semantics.  He referred to our RACE,
>> as opposed to many of the individuals (such as himself) whom are White.
> 
> That's funny, Less, I saw your mouth open, but nothing of substance came
> out...

Translation:  that stupid _goy_ trumped me again, so I'll play some more
word-games.
 
> I repeat, in simpler terms to aid your intellectually-impaired self:  If
> your race is dead, and therefore, logically, *no longer exists* (though I
> admit to feeling foolish attributing logical thought to a WP argument),
> how can an individual *of your race* still exist?  
> 
> Can you say, "contradiction in terms," Less-lie?

Can you say "members of the former Airborne unit didn't stop existing when
their unit did"?

Les



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Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
> 
> Up yours, Griswald, with a large, rusty boathook.

Right back at ya, ya fat old fart!

One can always tell when one has scored a palpable hit on a liberal - they
start getting graphic in their threats.

Les
> 
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> 
>> Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
>> > Chuck Ferree writes:
>> >
>> > Thanks, Jeanne. I needed that. Some of these people make me sick to my
>> > fat old tummy.
>> 
>> So leave, then.  No-one would miss you, there are plenty of liberals to
>> make the lie of racial equality look as stupid as it is WITHOUT your help.
>>  But, if you really want to make an ass of yourself, there's nothing I can
>> (or would) do about it.
>> 
>> Les
> 
> You got that part right, turkey. No one would miss me if I took off 
> like a big-assed-bird! But, your denier friends would miss you, 
> because what do we have here: 3-4 of the same old farts, repeating the 
> same old crap...day-in-day-out.
> And stay away from my flower stands at the airports. I gotta make more 
> money, to buy better wine than your pal...Liar Giwer. 
>  Oh yeah, about Dachau...that was number two Nazi camp I went into on 
> April 29th. 1945. Buchenwald was first. Bergen-Belsen twice, and 
> Mauthausen several times. It's in the book. Pictures and all. 
> Chuck




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> : > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> :  
> : (snip)
> :  
> : > : >     True, many crime suspects are Black- but have you noticed how
> : > : > most news shows always manage to get a picture, even if it is
> : > : > many years ago, of a Black suspect, while almost never getting 
> : > : > any of a White suspect?  And have you noticed how many stories 
> : > : > about crimes committed by Blacks are blown out of proportion- 
> : > : > funny, we hear all about the OJ story, and countless others- but
> : > : > how much do we hear about Timothy McVeigh?
> 
> : > : Quite a bit, pustule-for-brains.
> 
> : >     Bullshit.  How much compared to OJ?
> 
> : Quite a bit, especially considering that his trial hasn't even
> : started yet, and he's been in the jug for over a year.
> 
>     Oh come on!!  We heard plenty about OJ before the trial; everyone
> was convicting him before it even started.

Gee, why does that sound an awful lot like Timothy McVeigh, who is
innocent until PROVEN guilty?
 
Les




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Douglas Smith (dsmith5818@gnn.com) writes:

(snip)

W. Scott Wilson:
>>... (For further information on the links of genes to intelligence read the 
>>works of Charles Murray, Richard Herrnstein, William Shockley, Arthur Jensen, 
>>Philippe Rushton, Michael Levin, E.O. Wilson, Linda Gottfredson, Vincent 
>>Sarich, Seymour Itzkoff, Nancy Segal, Thomas Bouchard, or Chris Brand...
> 
> 	...All of whom are quacks, but if you want to believe them, then fine.  
> But how would you feel if a theory was posited that stated that white skin 
> color could be linked to suicide rates, a predisposition to commit mass 
> murder and/or rape, a predisposition to commit child molestation, xenophobia, 
> general greed, etc.?

This sort of "theory" has been posited many times, especially here.  Where
have you been?

But in response to your question, I'd damned well want proof that it was a
bunch of malarky, once and for all.  I would know that it's not true,
so what would I be scared of?  Liberals are scared silly of any
investigations into the correlation between race and intelligence because
they know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that there IS such a correlation,
and that it would prevent them from playing their little games of
inflaming the negro with all sorts of fairy tales about "equality".

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <31C1D41C.3690@rio.com>, Chuck Ferree  wrote:
> 
> * Chuck Ferree writes:
> * 
> * Thanks, Jeanne. I needed that. Some of these people make me sick to my 
> * fat old tummy.
> 
> I'm always glad to be the tagteam partner of such an honorable man. Now,
> do you want to hold Les down for this round, or should I? 

I don't go for that kinky three-way stuff.

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4pu7ji$jf4@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
> * > Chuck Ferree writes:
> * > 
> * > Thanks, Jeanne. I needed that. Some of these people make me sick to my 
> * > fat old tummy.
> * 
> * So leave, then.  No-one would miss you, there are plenty of liberals to
> * make the lie of racial equality look as stupid as it is WITHOUT your help.
> *  But, if you really want to make an ass of yourself, there's nothing I can
> * (or would) do about it.
> 
> You told me the same thing over a year ago, schnitzel-boy.  One thing that
> you might want to consider is that the folks from Oregon are a
> cantankerous bunch, and we are not easily chased off. 

Slow learners, too.  Chuckles should take a lesson from you, and piss off
while he still has a shred of dignity left.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> He (ie, Chuck Ferree) was in Bergen-Belsen, Mauthausen, Dachau, and
> Buchenwald. 

So?  Listen, you crazy old bat, no-one is denying the existence of those
DETENTION or CONCENTRATION camps.  But being part of the U.S. Army
entering those camps after the cessation of hostilities proves NOTHING
about so-called "exterminations".

> Well, Les, you've managed to sink another level in demonstrating
> your ability to ram your head up your butt in order to aviod reality. Chuck
> was written up in our local paper a few weeks ago in conjunction with the
> _Ethics After the Holocaust Conference_ held at the University of Oregon.

Yeah, and that and a buck will get him a bag of chips at the corner store.

(snip)

> How can you, a twenty-something believe only what is rubberstamped by
> Crackpot Pierce, zealot possibly argue the reality of the Holocaust with a
> man who was there? You are pathetic in your hypocritical claims of the
> validity of your life experience while flicking away the experiences of
> people who have survived two or three times longer than you.

So what?  A sixty or seventy-year old man can still be wrong.  His age
means nothing with regard to the validity of the hollow-cause myth.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 16 09:19:42 PDT 1996
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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser "Bucky" Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) snivels:
> 
>> I'd like for there to be an all-White nation.  I'd REALLY like that.  But
>> tits like you are dead-set against that.
> 
> [mega-snip]
> 
> Loser:
> 
>>>> And...?  I would also have prefered that the Tsar hadn't fallen tocommunism,
>>>> and I would also have prefered if unions hadn't established a toe-hold in
>>>> our society,  butI fail to see how that "suggests" that I have a
>>>> preoccupation with serfdom, or rampnat capitalism and robber barons.
> 
> So he was asked:
> 
>>> Why do you object to workers having the right to join unions and fight 
>>> for better pay and conditions?
> 
> And the Loser responds:
> 
>> I'm not.  But unions today don't aim for those goals, and you know it.
> 
> Bucky's knowledge of unions approximates his knowledge of quantum
> mechanics. Or of culture. Or of any branch of human knowledge, come
> to think of it. Zilch. Zip Gulch. Nada. Rien. Nichts. Zero. Keep
> dribbling, Bucky, and ask that nice Sylvie person to wipe your mouth from
> time to time...

Unfortunately for you, Johnny-boy, my knowledge of the organized labour
movement is sufficient.  In any event, what more is there to know, when OPSEU
does shit like allow a senior worker to bump a junior worker out of his/her job,
when the senior worker's job is declared surplus and the junior worker's
job isn't?  Personally, I think this is a good thing, because it shows the
unions for what they are - squalid, immature selfish organizations based
SOLELY on the amount of time a worker has been paying dues, rather than
competence?

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 16 09:19:44 PDT 1996
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Scott Erb (scotterb@maine.maine.edu) writes:
> In article <4pt5od$8uv@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> says...
> 
>>> Yikes, your example disproves your case!
>>> 
>>> One is only Jewish if one believes in the religion.  
>>
>>Wrong.
>>
>>> If I were convert to judiaism, then I would become Jewish.  
>>
>>By religion only, not by race.
> 
> That is all being Jewish is, a religion. 

Wrong.

> It is not a race.  

Is so.  That you aren't willing to face the obvious explains much of
the trouble in our society.  Not that Scott Erb has any untoward influence
(I think), but if many people are as deluded as you, that goes a long way
to explaining things.

> Even among Jews there are Europeans and middle eastern groups.  

Did I EVER say that the existence of non-racial jews precludes the
possibility of racial jews?  If so, could you please refresh my memory?

> You are wrong from any perspective, unless you want to simply make one up and 
> pretend it's true for whatever bizarre reason you might have.  

Pot, kettle black.

(snip)

>>No wonder there is so much confusion over the jewish Question, and
>>outright refusal to see what's right in front of their noses by so many
>>liberals:  they don't even understand the essential nature of jews.
> 
> Nope, you don't understand what you are talking about.  Judiaism is a 
> religion, not a race.  

The religious facet of judaism is ONE part of the package.  Your logic is
faulty, in that it takes ONE part of a whole (in this case, the religious 
aspect of judaism), and pretends that this one part is the whole.  No
wonder you're so screwed-up in your thinking:  you are relying on
misinformation.  You're either a liar, or an idiot.  Which is it?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 16 09:19:47 PDT 1996
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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : KILLERS, RAPISTS WELCOMED

(snip - article about undesirable immigrants who get ministerial
permits to come into Canada deleted)

> And how many of these criminals happen to be from European countries? 

Not many, since immigration is largely from non-white countries, and has
been since 1965.

But this is another example of liberal smokescreening.  The fact that
there are criminal whites does NOT, repeat NOT, somehow eliminate
non-white criminals.

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser "Bucky" Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) snivels:
> 
>> I'd like for there to be an all-White nation.  I'd REALLY like that.  But
>> tits like you are dead-set against that.
> 
> [mega-snip]
> 
> Loser:
> 
>>>> And...?  I would also have prefered that the Tsar hadn't fallen tocommunism,
>>>> and I would also have prefered if unions hadn't established a toe-hold in
>>>> our society,  butI fail to see how that "suggests" that I have a
>>>> preoccupation with serfdom, or rampnat capitalism and robber barons.
> 
> So he was asked:
> 
>>> Why do you object to workers having the right to join unions and fight 
>>> for better pay and conditions?
> 
> And the Loser responds:
> 
>> I'm not.  But unions today don't aim for those goals, and you know it.
> 
> Bucky's knowledge of unions approximates his knowledge of quantum
> mechanics. Or of culture. Or of any branch of human knowledge, come
> to think of it. Zilch. Zip Gulch. Nada. Rien. Nichts. Zero. Keep
> dribbling, Bucky, and ask that nice Sylvie person to wipe your mouth from
> time to time...

Unfortunately for you, Johnny-boy, my knowledge of the organized labour
movement is sufficient.  In any event, what more is there to know, when OPSEU
does shit like allow a senior worker to bump a junior worker out of his/her job,
when the senior worker's job is declared surplus and the junior worker's
job isn't?  Personally, I think this is a good thing, because it shows the
unions for what they are - squalid, immature selfish organizations based
SOLELY on the amount of time a worker has been paying dues, rather than
competence?

Les





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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : KILLERS, RAPISTS WELCOMED

(snip - article about undesirable immigrants who get ministerial
permits to come into Canada deleted)

> And how many of these criminals happen to be from European countries? 

Not many, since immigration is largely from non-white countries, and has
been since 1965.

But this is another example of liberal smokescreening.  The fact that
there are criminal whites does NOT, repeat NOT, somehow eliminate
non-white criminals.

Les




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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip - Jenn arguing that "Aryan" refers solely to languages, and pretending 
that she was "just funnin'" when confronted)  

>>> You know, Less-lie, you ought to try saving up some of that minimum-wage
>>> salary you get and buying yourself a sense of humour.
>>> 
>>> It's pathetic enough seeing how seriously you take yourself, but when you
>>> get defensive over a joke, it's almost heart-breakingly sad.
>> 
>> Oh, give me a break.  You KNOW that your statement was full of shit, so
>> now you retreat into the "I was only joking!" defence.  That's typical Jenn.
> 
> Actually, sweetie, "typical Jenn", as anyone around here will attest to,
> is a liberal (no pun intended) use of sarcasm, which was exactly what I
> did.  That you can't *recognize* sarcasm (and yes, I should have known
> better than to throw intricate language at you) is not my problem, so I
> now wipe my hands of this particular part of the thread.

Yeah, not surprising.  There's no money in it. :-)

(snip - Jenn getting trumped again, claiming that since the White race
died on May 8 1945, there can be no White individuals)

>>> I repeat, in simpler terms to aid your intellectually-impaired self:  If
>>> your race is dead, and therefore, logically, *no longer exists* (though I
>>> admit to feeling foolish attributing logical thought to a WP argument),
>>> how can an individual *of your race* still exist?  
>>> 
>>> Can you say, "contradiction in terms," Less-lie?
>> 
>> Can you say "members of the former Airborne unit didn't stop existing when
>> their unit did"?
> 
> They didn't stop existing, true--but they were no longer able to describe
> themselves as members of the Airborne unit, because it didn't exist.
> 
> Okay, I'll concede that Miltie still exists (not a problem, since that was
> never what I denied in the first place), and rephrase that (still
> demonstrating my original point, of course) to say that while Miltie may
> still exist, he can no longer describe himself as a "White Man", if the
> "White Race" does *not* exist.  

What we can and can't describe ourselves as, is not subject to peculiar
jewish logic.

> My point made, I now move on...

Translation:  I'm whimping out.

Les
 




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 16 11:33:16 PDT 1996
Article: 52153 of can.politics
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,can.politics,alt.society.labor-unions
Subject: Re: Bucky strikes out again...
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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser "Bucky" Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) snivels:
> 
>> I'd like for there to be an all-White nation.  I'd REALLY like that.  But
>> tits like you are dead-set against that.
> 
> [mega-snip]
> 
> Loser:
> 
>>>> And...?  I would also have prefered that the Tsar hadn't fallen tocommunism,
>>>> and I would also have prefered if unions hadn't established a toe-hold in
>>>> our society,  butI fail to see how that "suggests" that I have a
>>>> preoccupation with serfdom, or rampnat capitalism and robber barons.
> 
> So he was asked:
> 
>>> Why do you object to workers having the right to join unions and fight 
>>> for better pay and conditions?
> 
> And the Loser responds:
> 
>> I'm not.  But unions today don't aim for those goals, and you know it.
> 
> Bucky's knowledge of unions approximates his knowledge of quantum
> mechanics. Or of culture. Or of any branch of human knowledge, come
> to think of it. Zilch. Zip Gulch. Nada. Rien. Nichts. Zero. Keep
> dribbling, Bucky, and ask that nice Sylvie person to wipe your mouth from
> time to time...

Unfortunately for you, Johnny-boy, my knowledge of the organized labour
movement is sufficient.  In any event, what more is there to know, when OPSEU
does shit like allow a senior worker to bump a junior worker out of his/her job,
when the senior worker's job is declared surplus and the junior worker's
job isn't?  Personally, I think this is a good thing, because it shows the
unions for what they are - squalid, immature selfish organizations based
SOLELY on the amount of time a worker has been paying dues, rather than
competence?

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 16 13:15:29 PDT 1996
Article: 48559 of alt.discrimination
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : KILLERS, RAPISTS WELCOMED

(snip - article about undesirable immigrants who get ministerial
permits to come into Canada deleted)

> And how many of these criminals happen to be from European countries? 

Not many, since immigration is largely from non-white countries, and has
been since 1965.

But this is another example of liberal smokescreening.  The fact that
there are criminal whites does NOT, repeat NOT, somehow eliminate
non-white criminals.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 16 21:16:15 PDT 1996
Article: 43952 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust authority Chuckles Ferree
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 (csurzinski@infoave.net) writes:

(snip)

> I thought I had met stupidity before but I guess I haven't til this remark.
> 
> Hey stupid, go read the history books.  Make a trip to the camps.  Look at the 
> photos taken of it.  Talk to surviors of it and to there families.
> 
(snip - some crap about a tanker seeing something somewhere)

>> 	Excuse me, but Wiesenthal says there were never any death camps in
>> Germany.  So how did a US tank driver see one? 
> 
> And who in the hell is Wiesenthal?  

EXCUSE ME?!?  You don't know who Simon Weisenthal is?  The head huckster
of many a hollow-cause tall tale?  And you have the nerve to call anyone
else stupid?

> Guess that's a part of history I haven't 
> read?   And why do you feel this Wiesenthal is correct and not the rest of 
> what is available as fact. 

Because Wiesenthal' a jew, a survivor, and a hollow-cause propagandist.  He also
killed Josef Megele, even though Mengele didn't die of the gunshot wound 
Wiesenthal claims to have killed him with.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun 17 23:48:20 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - accolades of ecstasy about Chuckles Ferree's experiences)

> * > Well, Les, you've managed to sink another level in demonstrating
> * > your ability to ram your head up your butt in order to aviod reality. Chuck
> * > was written up in our local paper a few weeks ago in conjunction with the
> * > _Ethics After the Holocaust Conference_ held at the University of Oregon.
> * 
> * Yeah, and that and a buck will get him a bag of chips at the corner store.
> 
> Read the article before you flap your ignorant mouth (for once).

You mean he *can* get a bag of chips at the corner store for less than a
buck?  Wow!

> It's in the thread named "Legacy of the Living" and *if* you've figured out
> how to view graphics on your 'puter, you can download his picture, decode
> it, and see what an honorable man looks like. 

Yeah.  Don't you feel stupid for gobbling up scads of bandwidth with your
tripe?  I thought that consideration for your fellow man kept ex-hippies
like you from doing stuff like that.

(snip)

> * > How can you, a twenty-something believe only what is rubberstamped by
> * > Crackpot Pierce, zealot possibly argue the reality of the Holocaust with a
> * > man who was there? You are pathetic in your hypocritical claims of the
> * > validity of your life experience while flicking away the experiences of
> * > people who have survived two or three times longer than you.
> * 
> * So what?  A sixty or seventy-year old man can still be wrong.  His age
> * means nothing with regard to the validity of the hollow-cause myth.
> 
> Isn't Crackpot Pierce in his sixties? Since he was from Oregon (thus
> making him a slow learner according to you), is it possible that he is
> wrong about his claims?

Actually, Dr. Pierce was born in Georgia.  He only TAUGHT in Oregon.  He
probably viewed it as missionary-type work a la Albert Schweitzer, you know,
bringing education to the ignorant savages.

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - accolades of ecstasy about Chuckles Ferree's experiences)

> * > Well, Les, you've managed to sink another level in demonstrating
> * > your ability to ram your head up your butt in order to aviod reality. Chuck
> * > was written up in our local paper a few weeks ago in conjunction with the
> * > _Ethics After the Holocaust Conference_ held at the University of Oregon.
> * 
> * Yeah, and that and a buck will get him a bag of chips at the corner store.
> 
> Read the article before you flap your ignorant mouth (for once).

You mean he *can* get a bag of chips at the corner store for less than a
buck?  Wow!

> It's in the thread named "Legacy of the Living" and *if* you've figured out
> how to view graphics on your 'puter, you can download his picture, decode
> it, and see what an honorable man looks like. 

Yeah.  Don't you feel stupid for gobbling up scads of bandwidth with your
tripe?  I thought that consideration for your fellow man kept ex-hippies
like you from doing stuff like that.

(snip)

> * > How can you, a twenty-something believe only what is rubberstamped by
> * > Crackpot Pierce, zealot possibly argue the reality of the Holocaust with a
> * > man who was there? You are pathetic in your hypocritical claims of the
> * > validity of your life experience while flicking away the experiences of
> * > people who have survived two or three times longer than you.
> * 
> * So what?  A sixty or seventy-year old man can still be wrong.  His age
> * means nothing with regard to the validity of the hollow-cause myth.
> 
> Isn't Crackpot Pierce in his sixties? Since he was from Oregon (thus
> making him a slow learner according to you), is it possible that he is
> wrong about his claims?

Actually, Dr. Pierce was born in Georgia.  He only TAUGHT in Oregon.  He
probably viewed it as missionary-type work a la Albert Schweitzer, you know,
bringing education to the ignorant savages.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 18 02:01:21 PDT 1996
Article: 23099 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Re: Look at what diversity can bring us!
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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> : > And how many of these criminals happen to be from European countries? 
> 
> : Not many, since immigration is largely from non-white countries, and has
> : been since 1965.
> 
> : But this is another example of liberal smokescreening.  The fact that
> : there are criminal whites does NOT, repeat NOT, somehow eliminate
> : non-white criminals.
> 
> Of course it doesn't, but I think the point here is that there are both white
> and non-white criminal immigrants, so why single out only one?  

Hmm, I re-read the article, and there wasn't a single mention about the
race or nationality of the immigrants who received ministerial permits. 
So why do you feel as if anyone is being singled out?  This is typical of
non-whites whenever anything they don't approve of is brought up:  it's
veiled racism!

Les




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Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

Moi: 
>> I don't go for that kinky three-way stuff.
> 
> Okay, we'll make it four, plus six or eight to watch. 
> That ain't kinky stuff, that's team tag ass kicking. We do that a lot 
> in the Great Northwest.

Yes, I'll bet you do, you old fart.  Ah well, just confirms my suspicion
that you chicken-shits only do anything when you outnumber us 6-8 to 1.

Les





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White Wolf (anonymous@newamericans.com) writes:
> This can be construed as anti-German racism.

Oh, no, White Wolf, you MUST be mistaken!  See, Crazy Jeannie would NEVER
put up anything racist, not even about "krauts"!

(long, tedious article about "rotten Natsees" and noble jews deleted)

Les


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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4q52em$1tk@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> * 
> * (snip - Crazy going ga-ga over Chuckles, having uploaded some article or
> * other about what a super-duper guy Chuckles Ferree is)
> * 
> * > Did you make an effort to read the article, Les? 
> * 
> * No, you numb runt.  I read the first screen of it, then realized that it
> * was just another hollow-cause sob-story.  And I really don't care that
> * Chuckles started wagging his cane and shouting incoherently about "Natsees".
> 
> The article was about three people who had experienced the Holocaust in
> different ways. You didn't read it, yet you fancy yourself sufficiently
> informed to comment on its content? Just keep clinging to your ignorance,
> Les, and demonstrating the dearth of integrity truth in your belief
> system.

Oh, for crying out loud...

Crazy, how can anyone experience the hollow-cause in a "different" way?  I
thought that every which way had been taken already by the millions of
"survivors".

I don't have to hit myself with every single hammer out there to know that
it'll hurt.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Look at what diversity can bring us!
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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> : > Of course it doesn't, but I think the point here is that there are both white
> : > and non-white criminal immigrants, so why single out only one?  
> 
> : Hmm, I re-read the article, and there wasn't a single mention about the
> : race or nationality of the immigrants who received ministerial permits. 
> : So why do you feel as if anyone is being singled out?  This is typical of
> : non-whites whenever anything they don't approve of is brought up:  it's
> : veiled racism!
> 
> : Les
> 
> Les, it wasn't the article that singled out a particular group, it was 
> you: "Look at what *diversity* can bring us".  

And did I mention any particular group of immigrants in that post?  No, I
did not.  You're jumping the gun, Devika.

Les




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Article: 23142 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> THE COLD WITHIN
> 
> Six people trapped by circumstance, in stark and bitter cold.
> Each one possessed a stick of wood or so the story is told. 
> Their dying fire in need of logs, one woman held hers back, 
> For on the faces around the fire, she noticed one was black.
> Another one looked up and saw that there was one there out of his church, 
> And couldn't bring himself to give, the fire his stick of birch. 
> A third man sat in tattered clothes and gave his coat a hitch, 
> Why should my log be used, he thought, to aid the idle rich? 
> The rich man sat back and thought of the wealth he had in store, 
> And how to keep what he had earned from the lazy, shiftless poor. 
> The black man's face bespoke revenge as the fire passed from sight, 
> All he saw in the stick of wood, was a chance to spite the white. 
> The last man in this forlorn group did not expect for gain, 
> Giving only to those who gave was how he played the game.
> 
> Six logs held tight in death's still hands
> Was proof of human sin, 
> They didn't die from the cold without 
> They died from the cold within!

Ah, save your communistic tripe for those who care to hear it.
 
> Author unknown.

Yeah, I'll bet.  He was probably embarrassed at the thought of a
no-brainer like yourself using his mediocre work as ideology.

Les



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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> : > Of course it doesn't, but I think the point here is that there are both white
> : > and non-white criminal immigrants, so why single out only one?  
> 
> : Hmm, I re-read the article, and there wasn't a single mention about the
> : race or nationality of the immigrants who received ministerial permits. 
> : So why do you feel as if anyone is being singled out?  This is typical of
> : non-whites whenever anything they don't approve of is brought up:  it's
> : veiled racism!
> 
> : Les
> 
> Les, it wasn't the article that singled out a particular group, it was 
> you: "Look at what *diversity* can bring us".  

And did I mention any particular group of immigrants in that post?  No, I
did not.  You're jumping the gun, Devika.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Les Admits Dr. Pierce Is Stooopid! (was: Are the media inaccurate?)
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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear!" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> As part of an ongoing discussion, Jeanne explained to Les:
> 
>>> One thing that you might want to consider is that the folks from Oregon are a
>>> cantankerous bunch, and we are not easily chased off.
> 
> And Ol' Boathook shockingly replied: 
> 
>> Slow learners, too.
> 
> Now, he's very well aware that William *Head Crackpot* Pierce is a former
> professor from Oregon State University. 

Yes, and as I explained to your wifey-poo, Dr. Pierce was born in Georgia
(which reminds me of a joke:  why does Georgia have niggers, and
California have earthquakes?  Because California got first pick!).  Thus,
he's not a moron like your wife is, Chuckles is, and you are.
 
> Could it be that Les is starting to become disillusioned with The Cause?
> 
> Or could it be that Ol' Boathook has started his long-awaited palace coup,
> in a brave and brazen grasp at ultimate control of NA?

Much more likely is that you're shudderingly stupid.
 
Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> THE COLD WITHIN
> 
> Six people trapped by circumstance, in stark and bitter cold.
> Each one possessed a stick of wood or so the story is told. 
> Their dying fire in need of logs, one woman held hers back, 
> For on the faces around the fire, she noticed one was black.
> Another one looked up and saw that there was one there out of his church, 
> And couldn't bring himself to give, the fire his stick of birch. 
> A third man sat in tattered clothes and gave his coat a hitch, 
> Why should my log be used, he thought, to aid the idle rich? 
> The rich man sat back and thought of the wealth he had in store, 
> And how to keep what he had earned from the lazy, shiftless poor. 
> The black man's face bespoke revenge as the fire passed from sight, 
> All he saw in the stick of wood, was a chance to spite the white. 
> The last man in this forlorn group did not expect for gain, 
> Giving only to those who gave was how he played the game.
> 
> Six logs held tight in death's still hands
> Was proof of human sin, 
> They didn't die from the cold without 
> They died from the cold within!

Ah, save your communistic tripe for those who care to hear it.
 
> Author unknown.

Yeah, I'll bet.  He was probably embarrassed at the thought of a
no-brainer like yourself using his mediocre work as ideology.

Les



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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Liberals are scared silly of any investigations into the correlation 
> : between race and intelligence because they know, beyond the shadow of 
> : a doubt, that there IS such a correlation,
> 
>     Bullshit.  Tell me why some of the most intelligent people I know
> are Black.  Tell me why some of the dumbest people I know are White and
> Asian.  And tell me why I know very intelligent and very stupid people
> who come from all racial backgrounds.  Coem on, Les, let's see what
                                         ^^^^
Pretty funny, coming from the guy who castigated me for misspelling
"imperialist"

But in answer to your question:  so what?  I'm not denying that there are
many intelligentnegroes out there.  The point is, however, that naivete
like yours is tearing our society apart.

>     Well, politically speaking, there isn't equality.  But as far as I'm
> concerned, all men are created equal.  And I know many Whites who share
> that view.

And I know many Whites who DON'T share that delusion.  Your point?
 
Les




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John DAmato (jdamato@hookomo.aloha.net) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : 
> : (snip)
> : 
> : I'll make a deal with you:  stop calling me an "advocate for racial
> : hatred, genocide, and fascism...", and I won't call you a semitophile
> : ass-kissing toady, okay?
> 
> No chance.  I would rather be sealed in a vat of my own filth than make a 
> deal with you about anything ever, least of all a deal that would 
> compromise the truth that you are evil.
> Is that clear enough for you or do you need a picture?

Yes, go ahead, shake your spear at me from a distance, bang on your hollow
logs...

Now I know how Dr. Schweitzer must have felt, trying to bring some
semblance of civilization to the savages...

Les



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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> : > Of course it doesn't, but I think the point here is that there are both white
> : > and non-white criminal immigrants, so why single out only one?  
> 
> : Hmm, I re-read the article, and there wasn't a single mention about the
> : race or nationality of the immigrants who received ministerial permits. 
> : So why do you feel as if anyone is being singled out?  This is typical of
> : non-whites whenever anything they don't approve of is brought up:  it's
> : veiled racism!
> 
> : Les
> 
> Les, it wasn't the article that singled out a particular group, it was 
> you: "Look at what *diversity* can bring us".  

And did I mention any particular group of immigrants in that post?  No, I
did not.  You're jumping the gun, Devika.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> THE COLD WITHIN
> 
> Six people trapped by circumstance, in stark and bitter cold.
> Each one possessed a stick of wood or so the story is told. 
> Their dying fire in need of logs, one woman held hers back, 
> For on the faces around the fire, she noticed one was black.
> Another one looked up and saw that there was one there out of his church, 
> And couldn't bring himself to give, the fire his stick of birch. 
> A third man sat in tattered clothes and gave his coat a hitch, 
> Why should my log be used, he thought, to aid the idle rich? 
> The rich man sat back and thought of the wealth he had in store, 
> And how to keep what he had earned from the lazy, shiftless poor. 
> The black man's face bespoke revenge as the fire passed from sight, 
> All he saw in the stick of wood, was a chance to spite the white. 
> The last man in this forlorn group did not expect for gain, 
> Giving only to those who gave was how he played the game.
> 
> Six logs held tight in death's still hands
> Was proof of human sin, 
> They didn't die from the cold without 
> They died from the cold within!

Ah, save your communistic tripe for those who care to hear it.
 
> Author unknown.

Yeah, I'll bet.  He was probably embarrassed at the thought of a
no-brainer like yourself using his mediocre work as ideology.

Les



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Scott Erb (scotterb@maine.maine.edu) writes:
> In article <4q0ust$gml@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> says...
> 
>>Victor Jabotinski, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, and many other jewish spokesmen,
>>especially in the inter-war period, can back up my claim.  Can you cite
>>ANY references that aren't out-and-out lies for yours?
> 
> Yes, go to the library and look at books about Judiaism, you may start with 
> "Jewish Literacy" by Telushkin.  You see, Les, a close friend of mine is 
> Jewish, and I've had long talks with her and her family, as well as her 
> friends including some rabbis, about the issue of what being a Jew is, and 
> what some misconceptions are. 

You poor, dumb fool.  You REALLY expect any jews to discuss anything
having to do with judaism OPENLY and HONESTLY?

You know, the jews are probably having a big belly laugh right now,
thanking whatever God they hold that a useful idiot like you came along.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - Crazy going ga-ga over Chuckles, having uploaded some article or
other about what a super-duper guy Chuckles Ferree is)

> Did you make an effort to read the article, Les? 

No, you numb runt.  I read the first screen of it, then realized that it
was just another hollow-cause sob-story.  And I really don't care that
Chuckles started wagging his cane and shouting incoherently about "Natsees".

> I realize that an in
> depth discussion about junkfood might be more comfortable for you, but the
> only "chips" that are being generated are those mixed in with the brown
> plumes of smoke that are blasting from your lederhosen. You're standing
> knee-deep in your own excretions and trying to distract everyone by
> flinging out silly little distractions. That smell ain't mesquite,
> boathook-boy, so quit yer lying.

You sure do like talking about ka-ka!
 
(snip - Crazy telling me that Chuckles is an "honorable man")

> Did you read the article, Les? I consider making this article available
> for a wider audience well worth my time and the bandwidth. 

I don't, you crazy old bat.

> Please don't label it as "my tripe", because I was not the author of the
> article nor the photographer of the images featured with the article. You
> are making yourself look like a bigger fool by dismissing the article as
> tripe, 

Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em.

> so just keep those asscheeks flapping.

You wish.
 
> * > Isn't Crackpot Pierce in his sixties? Since he was from Oregon (thus
> * > making him a slow learner according to you), is it possible that he is
> * > wrong about his claims?
> * 
> * Actually, Dr. Pierce was born in Georgia.  He only TAUGHT in Oregon.  He
> * probably viewed it as missionary-type work a la Albert Schweitzer, you know,
> * bringing education to the ignorant savages.
> 
> Ignorant savages? Oh, perhaps you are referring to Reuben Logsdon and
> DDivenz (sp?) from "no special rights" Oregon? Speaking of "special
> rights", the Oregon Citizens' Alliance has recently dropped its attempt to
> legalise discrimination against homosexuals.

And...?  That doesn't make faggotry any more right, you dingbat, just
means that the Oregon Citizens' Alliance has caved in to the pressure of
"progressive" sorts like you.

> BTW, boathook-boy, if Oregon is full of savages, then why do so many of your
> fellow goose-steppers want to make your all-whitey homeland here?

Cleaning you out should be really easy.  Heck, a few glass beads should do
it! :-)

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Solidarity forever... (was: Bucky strikes out again...)
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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

>  But his (ie of unions) knowledge is "sufficient." Sufficient for what, you
>  ignorant nazi chimp? Sufficient to be able to spell "union" correctly?

Allow me to answer by way of analogy:  I don't need to step in dog shit to
know that it's dog shit.

>> In any event, what more is there to know, when OPSEU does shit like allow a
>> senior worker to bump a junior worker out of his/her job, when the senior
>> worker's job is declared surplus and the junior worker's job isn't? 
>> Personally, I think this is a good thing, because it shows the unions for
>> what they are - squalid, immature selfish organizations based SOLELY on the
>> amount of time a worker has been paying dues, rather than competence?
>  
>  OPSEU is the Ontario Public Service Employees' Union. Not the same as the
>  PSAC, but to ignorant savages like Les Griswold, chief spokesperson for
>  Aryan kulchur in Canada, we all look alike...

Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?

>  Seniority is an interesting issue which should be debated on
>  alt.society.labor-unions, and follow-ups should be directed there. A
>  couple of points to start with: 1) Who defines "competence"? How is it
>  measured?

Dumb ass.  The EMPLOYER should be the one who determines if an employee is
competent or not, since he's the one who stands to lose his shirt if he's
obligated to keep an incompetent worker, which unions do.  It's not rocket
science, John:  does a worker do his/her job satisfactorily?

>  2) Since there is a clear correlation between experience and competence,
>  and experience is at least roughly correlated to seniority, what is wrong
>  with negotiating seniority clauses? 

There is indeed a correlation between experience (seniority) and
competence, but there is not a direct causation.  Nice try at mixing up
the concepts, though.

BTW, you never did get around to answering my question, which was, made
your donation to the United Way yet? 

Les




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Chuckles has yet to clarify for me:  HE claims that there WERE
extermination facilities in Germany, but Simon Wiesenthal claims there
WEREN'T.  So who's right?

I know that this sort of error must be unintentional, and in no way
refelcts on your honesty, Chucky.  After all, we ALL KNOW that none of you
birds... er, I mean, honourable people, would stretch the truth in any
way.  Are you SURE that you saw "death camps" in Germany, when Simon
Wiesenthal says there weren't any?

Les



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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?

(the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
 
> I do support the concept of seniority, yes. It's not open to subjective
> interpretation like "merit".

Nice evasion, Johnny.  But the question still remains unanswered:  do you
support the premise of SENIOR workers being allowed to bump JUNIOR
workers?  Come on, John, don't waffle, be a man!  Here's your chance to
prove that unionists aren't a bunch of emasculated whimps!

BTW, the "subjective interpretation" that you belittle is often the
difference between a company going under, and staying in the black.  I
should think that an entrepreneur would be much better disposed to make
such a judgement than would a whiny union shit like yourself.

>>  The EMPLOYER should be the one who determines if an employee is
>> competent or not, since he's the one who stands to lose his shirt if he's
>> obligated to keep an incompetent worker, which unions do.  It's not rocket
>> science, John:  does a worker do his/her job satisfactorily?
> 
> Missing or dodging the point, as usual. Seniority clauses are *negotiated*
> between employers and employees.

Bullshit.  Seniority is a fact of employment.  One is either senior to
another worker, or one is junior to that worker.  There's no negotiation
needed - it's a simple fact of reality (you leftists have trouble with
reality, but that's another kettle of fish)

> And competence may not be rocket science, but there is a highly subjective
> component to it. 

As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...

> If Bucky were an employer (God forbid!), he would just hire white people if
> he could get away with it. Nothing very objective there, just a lot of
> preconceived notions of what "competence" means.

Actually, Johnny, if I was an employer, I'd probably be a lot more
concerned with the bottom line, and I wouldn't have time to indulge my
racial feelings.  But say I DID hire only Whites, and I made it plain that
the custom of non-whites was not welcome in my establishment.  That's MY
CHOICE, and since I'd be the one paying the bills, you whiny union shits
would have no business telling me how to run my business.  And others
could choose whether they wanted to frequent my place of business or deal
with me.

(snip)
 
>> BTW, you never did get around to answering my question, which was, made
>> your donation to the United Way yet? 
> 
> What business is it of yours?

None, really.  I just wanted to rattle your cage.

> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
> the federal government and PSAC yet? 

Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
the government from serving us efficiently.

Les


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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> a1996Jun17.180947.2081@news3.idirect.com.compulink.com>: 
> <4q50lt$1an@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Distribution: 
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> : > Les, it wasn't the article that singled out a particular group, it was 
> : > you: "Look at what *diversity* can bring us".  
> 
> : And did I mention any particular group of immigrants in that post?  No, I
> : did not.  You're jumping the gun, Devika.
> 
> Well, somehow I think that when you use the word "diversity", you're not 
> talking about white immigrants, and that would effectively single out a 
> particular group of immigrants.  

You're one of those sorts of people who would like the definitions of
"black" in school dictionaries to be changed, aren't you?

Les




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Arne Carlsten (agc@primenet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold , manfully shouldering that rock 
> off his back, wrote:

You can always tell when you've gored a liberal ox, because they come out
with this.

(snip - Arne bemoaning the fact that racial seperation would require
"force", as if "force" is a Bad Thing, moaning about internal passports,
warrantless searches, and all the rest - seems that Arne knows more about
setting up a totalitarian state than we do)

> : This sort of thing already happens, Arne.  Or are you pretending that it
> : doesn't?  Forceful coercion is ALWAYS at the root of any government
> : policy.
> 
> "This sort of thing" occurs in a few totalitarian states, such as you 
> seem to admire and seek to impose upon this country.

Bull doo-doo.  It's occurring more and more often right here in North
America.  It's funny how you liberals ALWAYS pretend that, as long as
there isn't OVERT coercion, ie some political policeman putting a gun to
your temple, that there's NO coercion.  The liberal equation is thus:

SUBTLE coercion = NO coercion.

> "Forceful coercion" is, or at the very least, _should_be_, the last resort 
> of government, 

But it isn't any longer, and you're just fooling yourself if you believe
otherwise.

> and reserved only for the most serious matters.  

When it's a question of survival for a corrupt system that rightfully
fears the anger and the backlash that it's actions are generating, tell
me that it's not serious, and that the system doesn't consider any
threat to its power to be serious.

> It's telling that you consider social relations between members of different 
> racial groups to be something needing the heavy hand of government to 
> step in and halt.

Please.  You consider it imperative that government lay its heavy hand
TOWARDS the integration of the races.  But at least you aren't trying to
pull this "we're all one race - the HUMAN race!" crap that some people are
trying to float.

> : You seem to be a big believer in "letting people do their own thing". 
> : Tell me, would you advocate letting a three-year old play with a hand
> : grenade?  Or would you be in favour of someone with more wisdom
> : intervening?  That is rather authoritarian, you know.
> 
> 
> Depends.  If it was a lame little asshole like you, a "three year old" 
> only in mental abilities and and as egoistic as any toddler, but without 
> the hope for eventual intellectual growth; then I'd be more than happy to 
> provide you with any assistance needed to get that nasty 'ole pin loose.  
> Contact cement or duct tape provided gratis, unless you'd prefer KY?
> 
> Now, if it was a _real_ three year old, then of course I'd remove the 
> grenade.  But you're not worried about the terrible tragedy of all those 
> three year olds with frags, are you?  You're seeking to make _all_ of us 
> into "three year olds" who can't be permitted to play with the "hand 
> grenade" of freely choosing who we will associate with and how we will 
> live _our_ lives.  And nice, big, _wise_ Les and the rest of the Aryan 
> Daycare Providers Bund will keep us on the straight and narrow.

Your empty though graphic threat aside, I don't seek to stop _anyone_ from
being as stupid as they want to be, or to interfere with the wallowing in
filth that liberals so seem to enjoy.  But I _do_ draw the line at someone
who can't see the consequences of his/her proposed sociological changes
imposing his/her values on me and mine.
 
> But you can keep your pretended "wisdom."  We've already seen where it 
> leads.  And seek to "intervene" and impose it, and I for one will be 
> absolutely _overjoyed_ to get the chance to send as many of you down to 
> hell as possible.

Empty barrels make the most noise...

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?

(the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
 
> I do support the concept of seniority, yes. It's not open to subjective
> interpretation like "merit".

Nice evasion, Johnny.  But the question still remains unanswered:  do you
support the premise of SENIOR workers being allowed to bump JUNIOR
workers?  Come on, John, don't waffle, be a man!  Here's your chance to
prove that unionists aren't a bunch of emasculated whimps!

BTW, the "subjective interpretation" that you belittle is often the
difference between a company going under, and staying in the black.  I
should think that an entrepreneur would be much better disposed to make
such a judgement than would a whiny union shit like yourself.

>>  The EMPLOYER should be the one who determines if an employee is
>> competent or not, since he's the one who stands to lose his shirt if he's
>> obligated to keep an incompetent worker, which unions do.  It's not rocket
>> science, John:  does a worker do his/her job satisfactorily?
> 
> Missing or dodging the point, as usual. Seniority clauses are *negotiated*
> between employers and employees.

Bullshit.  Seniority is a fact of employment.  One is either senior to
another worker, or one is junior to that worker.  There's no negotiation
needed - it's a simple fact of reality (you leftists have trouble with
reality, but that's another kettle of fish)

> And competence may not be rocket science, but there is a highly subjective
> component to it. 

As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...

> If Bucky were an employer (God forbid!), he would just hire white people if
> he could get away with it. Nothing very objective there, just a lot of
> preconceived notions of what "competence" means.

Actually, Johnny, if I was an employer, I'd probably be a lot more
concerned with the bottom line, and I wouldn't have time to indulge my
racial feelings.  But say I DID hire only Whites, and I made it plain that
the custom of non-whites was not welcome in my establishment.  That's MY
CHOICE, and since I'd be the one paying the bills, you whiny union shits
would have no business telling me how to run my business.  And others
could choose whether they wanted to frequent my place of business or deal
with me.

(snip)
 
>> BTW, you never did get around to answering my question, which was, made
>> your donation to the United Way yet? 
> 
> What business is it of yours?

None, really.  I just wanted to rattle your cage.

> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
> the federal government and PSAC yet? 

Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
the government from serving us efficiently.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 19 12:17:41 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: What's white?
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Funny how you liberal turds will blur the definition of white to include
Hispanics from Mexico, Puerto Rico and wherever the hell else they come
from.  But it's not really surprising, since most of you assholes get
frothy over alleging that Turks are white.

Les



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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> a1996Jun17.180947.2081@news3.idirect.com.compulink.com>: 
> <4q50lt$1an@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Distribution: 
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> : > Les, it wasn't the article that singled out a particular group, it was 
> : > you: "Look at what *diversity* can bring us".  
> 
> : And did I mention any particular group of immigrants in that post?  No, I
> : did not.  You're jumping the gun, Devika.
> 
> Well, somehow I think that when you use the word "diversity", you're not 
> talking about white immigrants, and that would effectively single out a 
> particular group of immigrants.  

You're one of those sorts of people who would like the definitions of
"black" in school dictionaries to be changed, aren't you?

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?

(the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
 
> I do support the concept of seniority, yes. It's not open to subjective
> interpretation like "merit".

Nice evasion, Johnny.  But the question still remains unanswered:  do you
support the premise of SENIOR workers being allowed to bump JUNIOR
workers?  Come on, John, don't waffle, be a man!  Here's your chance to
prove that unionists aren't a bunch of emasculated whimps!

BTW, the "subjective interpretation" that you belittle is often the
difference between a company going under, and staying in the black.  I
should think that an entrepreneur would be much better disposed to make
such a judgement than would a whiny union shit like yourself.

>>  The EMPLOYER should be the one who determines if an employee is
>> competent or not, since he's the one who stands to lose his shirt if he's
>> obligated to keep an incompetent worker, which unions do.  It's not rocket
>> science, John:  does a worker do his/her job satisfactorily?
> 
> Missing or dodging the point, as usual. Seniority clauses are *negotiated*
> between employers and employees.

Bullshit.  Seniority is a fact of employment.  One is either senior to
another worker, or one is junior to that worker.  There's no negotiation
needed - it's a simple fact of reality (you leftists have trouble with
reality, but that's another kettle of fish)

> And competence may not be rocket science, but there is a highly subjective
> component to it. 

As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...

> If Bucky were an employer (God forbid!), he would just hire white people if
> he could get away with it. Nothing very objective there, just a lot of
> preconceived notions of what "competence" means.

Actually, Johnny, if I was an employer, I'd probably be a lot more
concerned with the bottom line, and I wouldn't have time to indulge my
racial feelings.  But say I DID hire only Whites, and I made it plain that
the custom of non-whites was not welcome in my establishment.  That's MY
CHOICE, and since I'd be the one paying the bills, you whiny union shits
would have no business telling me how to run my business.  And others
could choose whether they wanted to frequent my place of business or deal
with me.

(snip)
 
>> BTW, you never did get around to answering my question, which was, made
>> your donation to the United Way yet? 
> 
> What business is it of yours?

None, really.  I just wanted to rattle your cage.

> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
> the federal government and PSAC yet? 

Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
the government from serving us efficiently.

Les


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Arne Carlsten (agc@primenet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold , manfully shouldering that rock 
> off his back, wrote:

You can always tell when you've gored a liberal ox, because they come out
with this.

(snip - Arne bemoaning the fact that racial seperation would require
"force", as if "force" is a Bad Thing, moaning about internal passports,
warrantless searches, and all the rest - seems that Arne knows more about
setting up a totalitarian state than we do)

> : This sort of thing already happens, Arne.  Or are you pretending that it
> : doesn't?  Forceful coercion is ALWAYS at the root of any government
> : policy.
> 
> "This sort of thing" occurs in a few totalitarian states, such as you 
> seem to admire and seek to impose upon this country.

Bull doo-doo.  It's occurring more and more often right here in North
America.  It's funny how you liberals ALWAYS pretend that, as long as
there isn't OVERT coercion, ie some political policeman putting a gun to
your temple, that there's NO coercion.  The liberal equation is thus:

SUBTLE coercion = NO coercion.

> "Forceful coercion" is, or at the very least, _should_be_, the last resort 
> of government, 

But it isn't any longer, and you're just fooling yourself if you believe
otherwise.

> and reserved only for the most serious matters.  

When it's a question of survival for a corrupt system that rightfully
fears the anger and the backlash that it's actions are generating, tell
me that it's not serious, and that the system doesn't consider any
threat to its power to be serious.

> It's telling that you consider social relations between members of different 
> racial groups to be something needing the heavy hand of government to 
> step in and halt.

Please.  You consider it imperative that government lay its heavy hand
TOWARDS the integration of the races.  But at least you aren't trying to
pull this "we're all one race - the HUMAN race!" crap that some people are
trying to float.

> : You seem to be a big believer in "letting people do their own thing". 
> : Tell me, would you advocate letting a three-year old play with a hand
> : grenade?  Or would you be in favour of someone with more wisdom
> : intervening?  That is rather authoritarian, you know.
> 
> 
> Depends.  If it was a lame little asshole like you, a "three year old" 
> only in mental abilities and and as egoistic as any toddler, but without 
> the hope for eventual intellectual growth; then I'd be more than happy to 
> provide you with any assistance needed to get that nasty 'ole pin loose.  
> Contact cement or duct tape provided gratis, unless you'd prefer KY?
> 
> Now, if it was a _real_ three year old, then of course I'd remove the 
> grenade.  But you're not worried about the terrible tragedy of all those 
> three year olds with frags, are you?  You're seeking to make _all_ of us 
> into "three year olds" who can't be permitted to play with the "hand 
> grenade" of freely choosing who we will associate with and how we will 
> live _our_ lives.  And nice, big, _wise_ Les and the rest of the Aryan 
> Daycare Providers Bund will keep us on the straight and narrow.

Your empty though graphic threat aside, I don't seek to stop _anyone_ from
being as stupid as they want to be, or to interfere with the wallowing in
filth that liberals so seem to enjoy.  But I _do_ draw the line at someone
who can't see the consequences of his/her proposed sociological changes
imposing his/her values on me and mine.
 
> But you can keep your pretended "wisdom."  We've already seen where it 
> leads.  And seek to "intervene" and impose it, and I for one will be 
> absolutely _overjoyed_ to get the chance to send as many of you down to 
> hell as possible.

Empty barrels make the most noise...

Les




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Arne Carlsten (agc@primenet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold , manfully shouldering that rock 
> off his back, wrote:

You can always tell when you've gored a liberal ox, because they come out
with this.

(snip - Arne bemoaning the fact that racial seperation would require
"force", as if "force" is a Bad Thing, moaning about internal passports,
warrantless searches, and all the rest - seems that Arne knows more about
setting up a totalitarian state than we do)

> : This sort of thing already happens, Arne.  Or are you pretending that it
> : doesn't?  Forceful coercion is ALWAYS at the root of any government
> : policy.
> 
> "This sort of thing" occurs in a few totalitarian states, such as you 
> seem to admire and seek to impose upon this country.

Bull doo-doo.  It's occurring more and more often right here in North
America.  It's funny how you liberals ALWAYS pretend that, as long as
there isn't OVERT coercion, ie some political policeman putting a gun to
your temple, that there's NO coercion.  The liberal equation is thus:

SUBTLE coercion = NO coercion.

> "Forceful coercion" is, or at the very least, _should_be_, the last resort 
> of government, 

But it isn't any longer, and you're just fooling yourself if you believe
otherwise.

> and reserved only for the most serious matters.  

When it's a question of survival for a corrupt system that rightfully
fears the anger and the backlash that it's actions are generating, tell
me that it's not serious, and that the system doesn't consider any
threat to its power to be serious.

> It's telling that you consider social relations between members of different 
> racial groups to be something needing the heavy hand of government to 
> step in and halt.

Please.  You consider it imperative that government lay its heavy hand
TOWARDS the integration of the races.  But at least you aren't trying to
pull this "we're all one race - the HUMAN race!" crap that some people are
trying to float.

> : You seem to be a big believer in "letting people do their own thing". 
> : Tell me, would you advocate letting a three-year old play with a hand
> : grenade?  Or would you be in favour of someone with more wisdom
> : intervening?  That is rather authoritarian, you know.
> 
> 
> Depends.  If it was a lame little asshole like you, a "three year old" 
> only in mental abilities and and as egoistic as any toddler, but without 
> the hope for eventual intellectual growth; then I'd be more than happy to 
> provide you with any assistance needed to get that nasty 'ole pin loose.  
> Contact cement or duct tape provided gratis, unless you'd prefer KY?
> 
> Now, if it was a _real_ three year old, then of course I'd remove the 
> grenade.  But you're not worried about the terrible tragedy of all those 
> three year olds with frags, are you?  You're seeking to make _all_ of us 
> into "three year olds" who can't be permitted to play with the "hand 
> grenade" of freely choosing who we will associate with and how we will 
> live _our_ lives.  And nice, big, _wise_ Les and the rest of the Aryan 
> Daycare Providers Bund will keep us on the straight and narrow.

Your empty though graphic threat aside, I don't seek to stop _anyone_ from
being as stupid as they want to be, or to interfere with the wallowing in
filth that liberals so seem to enjoy.  But I _do_ draw the line at someone
who can't see the consequences of his/her proposed sociological changes
imposing his/her values on me and mine.
 
> But you can keep your pretended "wisdom."  We've already seen where it 
> leads.  And seek to "intervene" and impose it, and I for one will be 
> absolutely _overjoyed_ to get the chance to send as many of you down to 
> hell as possible.

Empty barrels make the most noise...

Les




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Arne Carlsten (agc@primenet.com) writes:
> Les Griswold , manfully shouldering that rock 
> off his back, wrote:

You can always tell when you've gored a liberal ox, because they come out
with this.

(snip - Arne bemoaning the fact that racial seperation would require
"force", as if "force" is a Bad Thing, moaning about internal passports,
warrantless searches, and all the rest - seems that Arne knows more about
setting up a totalitarian state than we do)

> : This sort of thing already happens, Arne.  Or are you pretending that it
> : doesn't?  Forceful coercion is ALWAYS at the root of any government
> : policy.
> 
> "This sort of thing" occurs in a few totalitarian states, such as you 
> seem to admire and seek to impose upon this country.

Bull doo-doo.  It's occurring more and more often right here in North
America.  It's funny how you liberals ALWAYS pretend that, as long as
there isn't OVERT coercion, ie some political policeman putting a gun to
your temple, that there's NO coercion.  The liberal equation is thus:

SUBTLE coercion = NO coercion.

> "Forceful coercion" is, or at the very least, _should_be_, the last resort 
> of government, 

But it isn't any longer, and you're just fooling yourself if you believe
otherwise.

> and reserved only for the most serious matters.  

When it's a question of survival for a corrupt system that rightfully
fears the anger and the backlash that it's actions are generating, tell
me that it's not serious, and that the system doesn't consider any
threat to its power to be serious.

> It's telling that you consider social relations between members of different 
> racial groups to be something needing the heavy hand of government to 
> step in and halt.

Please.  You consider it imperative that government lay its heavy hand
TOWARDS the integration of the races.  But at least you aren't trying to
pull this "we're all one race - the HUMAN race!" crap that some people are
trying to float.

> : You seem to be a big believer in "letting people do their own thing". 
> : Tell me, would you advocate letting a three-year old play with a hand
> : grenade?  Or would you be in favour of someone with more wisdom
> : intervening?  That is rather authoritarian, you know.
> 
> 
> Depends.  If it was a lame little asshole like you, a "three year old" 
> only in mental abilities and and as egoistic as any toddler, but without 
> the hope for eventual intellectual growth; then I'd be more than happy to 
> provide you with any assistance needed to get that nasty 'ole pin loose.  
> Contact cement or duct tape provided gratis, unless you'd prefer KY?
> 
> Now, if it was a _real_ three year old, then of course I'd remove the 
> grenade.  But you're not worried about the terrible tragedy of all those 
> three year olds with frags, are you?  You're seeking to make _all_ of us 
> into "three year olds" who can't be permitted to play with the "hand 
> grenade" of freely choosing who we will associate with and how we will 
> live _our_ lives.  And nice, big, _wise_ Les and the rest of the Aryan 
> Daycare Providers Bund will keep us on the straight and narrow.

Your empty though graphic threat aside, I don't seek to stop _anyone_ from
being as stupid as they want to be, or to interfere with the wallowing in
filth that liberals so seem to enjoy.  But I _do_ draw the line at someone
who can't see the consequences of his/her proposed sociological changes
imposing his/her values on me and mine.
 
> But you can keep your pretended "wisdom."  We've already seen where it 
> leads.  And seek to "intervene" and impose it, and I for one will be 
> absolutely _overjoyed_ to get the chance to send as many of you down to 
> hell as possible.

Empty barrels make the most noise...

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 19 14:13:34 PDT 1996
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Grizzled old fart Chuckles Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> Griswald, what do you know about this subject matter? No much I'd say. 
> Because many of your perceptions are just plain wrong. Lying is one 
> thing, but holding misperceptions is another. It probably won't matter 
> to you, because you display a serious lack of integrity, but I'll try 
> anyway.
> 
> Oh yeah they do deny the existance of Nazi concentration camps. Maybe 
> Griswald doesn't but some deniers do. The same ones who say there were 
> no gas chambers on German soil. 

Listen, you smelly old man, Simon Wiesenthal is one of those who admits
that there were no extermination facilities in Germany proper.  Are you
saying that you are right, and he is wrong?

Andrew Mathis supports Mr. Wiesenthal.  Are you saying that HE is wrong?

Many of the hollow-causers on alt.revisionism argue that there were no
extermination facilities in Germany proper.  Are you saying that THEY are
all wrong?

I love it when liberals start eating each other like this.

> Who says anything about entering the camps after the cessation of 
> hostilities? The war ended May 8th. 1945, my group entered most camps 
> while fighting was still going on. At Dachau for instance, we were 
> fired upon by SS die-hards, and believe me they diedhard. Lots of 'em.

Yeah, after they surrendered, and were disarmed, you brave bastards shot
them.  Way to go.  Feel proud that you shot disarmed men?

> Would you call, stacks of dead bodies, all naked, all with no flesh on 
> their bones, stacked about 5-6 ft high at least thirty to fifty yards 
> long and ten to fifteen feet wide, evidence or proof of something 
> similar to "exterminations?" This was Buchenwald, and the crematoriums 
> were still working until the troops found how to shut them down.

Puh-leeze.  I'd call stacks of dead bodies evidence of, well, stacks of
dead bodies.

(snip)

> I'm a member of a speakers panel which speaks to school kids from 
> middle school, through the Universities, about history and the 
> Holocaust. We travel all over at our own expense, because we believe 
> it's important to attack people like you, and help teach history from 
> a factual point of view. We love it, and we know we have made a big 
> difference.

Ten pounds of shit in a five-pound bag.

Really, Chuckles, you should shut up before you give yourself a stroke or
something, or worse, embarrass one of your liberal allies.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Jun 19 14:19:02 PDT 1996
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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?

(the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
 
> I do support the concept of seniority, yes. It's not open to subjective
> interpretation like "merit".

Nice evasion, Johnny.  But the question still remains unanswered:  do you
support the premise of SENIOR workers being allowed to bump JUNIOR
workers?  Come on, John, don't waffle, be a man!  Here's your chance to
prove that unionists aren't a bunch of emasculated whimps!

BTW, the "subjective interpretation" that you belittle is often the
difference between a company going under, and staying in the black.  I
should think that an entrepreneur would be much better disposed to make
such a judgement than would a whiny union shit like yourself.

>>  The EMPLOYER should be the one who determines if an employee is
>> competent or not, since he's the one who stands to lose his shirt if he's
>> obligated to keep an incompetent worker, which unions do.  It's not rocket
>> science, John:  does a worker do his/her job satisfactorily?
> 
> Missing or dodging the point, as usual. Seniority clauses are *negotiated*
> between employers and employees.

Bullshit.  Seniority is a fact of employment.  One is either senior to
another worker, or one is junior to that worker.  There's no negotiation
needed - it's a simple fact of reality (you leftists have trouble with
reality, but that's another kettle of fish)

> And competence may not be rocket science, but there is a highly subjective
> component to it. 

As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...

> If Bucky were an employer (God forbid!), he would just hire white people if
> he could get away with it. Nothing very objective there, just a lot of
> preconceived notions of what "competence" means.

Actually, Johnny, if I was an employer, I'd probably be a lot more
concerned with the bottom line, and I wouldn't have time to indulge my
racial feelings.  But say I DID hire only Whites, and I made it plain that
the custom of non-whites was not welcome in my establishment.  That's MY
CHOICE, and since I'd be the one paying the bills, you whiny union shits
would have no business telling me how to run my business.  And others
could choose whether they wanted to frequent my place of business or deal
with me.

(snip)
 
>> BTW, you never did get around to answering my question, which was, made
>> your donation to the United Way yet? 
> 
> What business is it of yours?

None, really.  I just wanted to rattle your cage.

> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
> the federal government and PSAC yet? 

Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
the government from serving us efficiently.

Les


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Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> a1996Jun17.180947.2081@news3.idirect.com.compulink.com>: 
> <4q50lt$1an@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Distribution: 
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Devika Kulkarni (kulkarni@idirect.com) writes:
> : > Les, it wasn't the article that singled out a particular group, it was 
> : > you: "Look at what *diversity* can bring us".  
> 
> : And did I mention any particular group of immigrants in that post?  No, I
> : did not.  You're jumping the gun, Devika.
> 
> Well, somehow I think that when you use the word "diversity", you're not 
> talking about white immigrants, and that would effectively single out a 
> particular group of immigrants.  

You're one of those sorts of people who would like the definitions of
"black" in school dictionaries to be changed, aren't you?

Les




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Grizzled old fart Chuckles Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> Griswald, what do you know about this subject matter? No much I'd say. 
> Because many of your perceptions are just plain wrong. Lying is one 
> thing, but holding misperceptions is another. It probably won't matter 
> to you, because you display a serious lack of integrity, but I'll try 
> anyway.
> 
> Oh yeah they do deny the existance of Nazi concentration camps. Maybe 
> Griswald doesn't but some deniers do. The same ones who say there were 
> no gas chambers on German soil. 

Listen, you smelly old man, Simon Wiesenthal is one of those who admits
that there were no extermination facilities in Germany proper.  Are you
saying that you are right, and he is wrong?

Andrew Mathis supports Mr. Wiesenthal.  Are you saying that HE is wrong?

Many of the hollow-causers on alt.revisionism argue that there were no
extermination facilities in Germany proper.  Are you saying that THEY are
all wrong?

I love it when liberals start eating each other like this.

> Who says anything about entering the camps after the cessation of 
> hostilities? The war ended May 8th. 1945, my group entered most camps 
> while fighting was still going on. At Dachau for instance, we were 
> fired upon by SS die-hards, and believe me they diedhard. Lots of 'em.

Yeah, after they surrendered, and were disarmed, you brave bastards shot
them.  Way to go.  Feel proud that you shot disarmed men?

> Would you call, stacks of dead bodies, all naked, all with no flesh on 
> their bones, stacked about 5-6 ft high at least thirty to fifty yards 
> long and ten to fifteen feet wide, evidence or proof of something 
> similar to "exterminations?" This was Buchenwald, and the crematoriums 
> were still working until the troops found how to shut them down.

Puh-leeze.  I'd call stacks of dead bodies evidence of, well, stacks of
dead bodies.

(snip)

> I'm a member of a speakers panel which speaks to school kids from 
> middle school, through the Universities, about history and the 
> Holocaust. We travel all over at our own expense, because we believe 
> it's important to attack people like you, and help teach history from 
> a factual point of view. We love it, and we know we have made a big 
> difference.

Ten pounds of shit in a five-pound bag.

Really, Chuckles, you should shut up before you give yourself a stroke or
something, or worse, embarrass one of your liberal allies.

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

Moi:
>>>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>>>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?
>> 
>> (the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
>> Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
>> worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
>> declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
> 
> No they didn't, and so much for Reb Griswald's "sufficient" knowledge of
> the labour movement. That clause was *negotiated* into the collective
> agreement. OPSEU did not simply "adopt" a clause unilaterally. To make a
> long story short, Griswald, the clause in question is what seniority
> means. Gee, maybe your knowledge isn't all that "sufficient" after all...

The clause exists, John.

(snip)
 
>> As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
>> should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
>> cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...
> 
> This is uncharacteristically honest of a fascist. Workers count for
> nothing. Owners count for everything. 

Never said anything about workers, John.  Cute of you to suggest that
"unions" means "workers", as if workers can't exist without unions.  They
can, you know.

(snip)

>>> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
>>> the federal government and PSAC yet? 
>> 
>> Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
>> SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
>> the government from serving us efficiently.
> 
> Well if the difference is all that plain, why were you and Sylvie so oddly
> confused a few months back? Because you're both thick as planks? Quite
> likely....

This coming from the guy who thought I was responsible for the
"crusader@national.alliance" spam?

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

Moi:
>>>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>>>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?
>> 
>> (the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
>> Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
>> worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
>> declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
> 
> No they didn't, and so much for Reb Griswald's "sufficient" knowledge of
> the labour movement. That clause was *negotiated* into the collective
> agreement. OPSEU did not simply "adopt" a clause unilaterally. To make a
> long story short, Griswald, the clause in question is what seniority
> means. Gee, maybe your knowledge isn't all that "sufficient" after all...

The clause exists, John.

(snip)
 
>> As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
>> should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
>> cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...
> 
> This is uncharacteristically honest of a fascist. Workers count for
> nothing. Owners count for everything. 

Never said anything about workers, John.  Cute of you to suggest that
"unions" means "workers", as if workers can't exist without unions.  They
can, you know.

(snip)

>>> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
>>> the federal government and PSAC yet? 
>> 
>> Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
>> SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
>> the government from serving us efficiently.
> 
> Well if the difference is all that plain, why were you and Sylvie so oddly
> confused a few months back? Because you're both thick as planks? Quite
> likely....

This coming from the guy who thought I was responsible for the
"crusader@national.alliance" spam?

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

Moi:
>>>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>>>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?
>> 
>> (the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
>> Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
>> worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
>> declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
> 
> No they didn't, and so much for Reb Griswald's "sufficient" knowledge of
> the labour movement. That clause was *negotiated* into the collective
> agreement. OPSEU did not simply "adopt" a clause unilaterally. To make a
> long story short, Griswald, the clause in question is what seniority
> means. Gee, maybe your knowledge isn't all that "sufficient" after all...

The clause exists, John.

(snip)
 
>> As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
>> should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
>> cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...
> 
> This is uncharacteristically honest of a fascist. Workers count for
> nothing. Owners count for everything. 

Never said anything about workers, John.  Cute of you to suggest that
"unions" means "workers", as if workers can't exist without unions.  They
can, you know.

(snip)

>>> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
>>> the federal government and PSAC yet? 
>> 
>> Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
>> SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
>> the government from serving us efficiently.
> 
> Well if the difference is all that plain, why were you and Sylvie so oddly
> confused a few months back? Because you're both thick as planks? Quite
> likely....

This coming from the guy who thought I was responsible for the
"crusader@national.alliance" spam?

Les




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John Bagless (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

Moi:
>>>> Well, here's your chance, Big Boy.  Do you agree or disagree with that
>>>> premise?  Would you accept such a position for PSAC?
>> 
>> (the premise, snipped by the considerate Bagless, was that the Ontario
>> Public Service Employees' Union had adopted a clause stating that a senior
>> worker could bump a junior worker, if the senior worker's job had been
>> declared surplus and the junior worker's job had not)
> 
> No they didn't, and so much for Reb Griswald's "sufficient" knowledge of
> the labour movement. That clause was *negotiated* into the collective
> agreement. OPSEU did not simply "adopt" a clause unilaterally. To make a
> long story short, Griswald, the clause in question is what seniority
> means. Gee, maybe your knowledge isn't all that "sufficient" after all...

The clause exists, John.

(snip)
 
>> As I said, it's the EMPLOYER'S decision to make, and his/her decision
>> should NOT be influenced by the threat of some ill-behaved whiny union
>> cry-babies.  Oh, for the days of Henry Ford and union-busting...
> 
> This is uncharacteristically honest of a fascist. Workers count for
> nothing. Owners count for everything. 

Never said anything about workers, John.  Cute of you to suggest that
"unions" means "workers", as if workers can't exist without unions.  They
can, you know.

(snip)

>>> And, while we're at it, loser, have you figured out the difference between
>>> the federal government and PSAC yet? 
>> 
>> Yeah, the federal government is paid for by us, and electecd by us to
>> SERVE us.  PSAC is unelected, although paid very well, and tries to keep
>> the government from serving us efficiently.
> 
> Well if the difference is all that plain, why were you and Sylvie so oddly
> confused a few months back? Because you're both thick as planks? Quite
> likely....

This coming from the guy who thought I was responsible for the
"crusader@national.alliance" spam?

Les




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Craig Lambert (clambert@cris.com) writes:

(snip - liberals extolling the virtues of negroes, and yammering about
white criminals, as if that makes criminal negroes not so bad)

> Your routinely draw conclusions about all blacks from the actions of some
> blacks, but you will not allow the same conclusions about all whites to be
> drawn from the actions of some whites.

I sure do.  Most whites are NOT animalistic sub-humans who only destroy,
and never create or contribute.  That a few of them go haywire is not the
MAJORITY, on which I base my views of both whites and negroes.
 
> The whole process of drawing conclusions about all members of a race from
> the actions of some is precisely where you err.  Pointing to white
> criminals and applying your reasoning merely emphasizes this.

Not really.  You see, the vast majority of whites are not criminals or
deviants.  Many, many more blacks are indeed criminal and deviant.
 
> Most whites are good citizens, some whites are not.  Most blacks are good
> citizens, some blacks are not.  Therefore, get rid of all the blacks.  This
> does not follow.

Criminality is only ONE criterion by which the desirablity of negroes in
our midst is measured.  Even if every single negro was a perfect saint
without a criminal record, and without criminal tendencies, I'd still not
want the infusion of their alien genes into our bloodstream, because
that's what it boils down to, arsewipe.  So yuck it up until the negroes
decide to ice YOUR white ass.
 
> In Star Trek, somebody would say something like this in order to make a
> totally logical thinking machine burn out its circuits.  

Typical liberal:  this is not some futuristic, race-mixing propaganda. 
This is reality, so put away the plastic Spock ears and toy phaser, and
get a grip.

Les




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"The Jacot Family"  wrote:
>I am a beautiful black woman.  

Indeed.  One wonders just how "black" you are, or if you are a mulatress like 
Vanessa Williams, with white features, looking like a white woman with a tan.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) dribbles:

(snip)

> Thanks for refreshing my memory, Unterschnivellenundweinenführer Griswold.
> Now I remember.  It is one of those terrific things where a person can
> be "white" but "not White", but they can't be "White" and "not white".

By George, I think she's got it!

> It has something to do with earwax chemistry and variation in radiowave
> lengths and frequencies and the earwax's ability to filter out the
> radiowaves, depending on pH, doesn't it?

Ah, too bad, Fester, I was getting my hopes up that you were emerging from
the pitiful, cringing stupidity that is the norm among you liberals.

Les




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Douglas Smith (dsmith5818@gnn.com) writes:
>>
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> "The Jacot Family"  wrote:
>>>>I am a beautiful black woman.  
>>> 
>>> Indeed.  One wonders just how "black" you are, or if you are a mulatress
>>> like Vanessa Williams, with white features, looking like a white woman with
>>> a tan.
>>
> What the fuck is a "mulatress"? 

"Mulatress" is the feminine form of the word "mulatto".

> Just another way for you to categorize people you don't know?  God you're an
> idiot.  

Ah.  Typical liberal:  asks a question, but has already made up his/her/its 
mind as to the answer.

> How can you use a word that doesn't even exist (something for which you would
> be roundly criticized by William F. Buckley, Jr., who I'm sure you admire
> greatly)?  

Nope.  William F. Buckley, Jr., is a semitophile, who agonized over
Pat Buchanan's "anti-semitism", as if there was anything wrong with
not being pro-jew.

Les




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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> "The Jacot Family"  wrote:
>>>I am a beautiful black woman.  
>> 
>> Indeed.  One wonders just how "black" you are, or if you are a mulatress like 
>> Vanessa Williams, with white features, looking like a white woman with a tan.
> 
> Why, Leslie, are you saying that you find the mixed-race Vanessa Williams
> attractive, you sly dog?

(retarded Sinead O'Connor sig. deleted)

Nope, not at all.  But Vanessa Williams IS more attractive than, say,
Whoopie Goldberg, who is a fine example of a relatively pure negress (I
know, I know, she's got blue eyes, which just means that there was a honky
in the woodpile somewhere, but still, she's purer than Vanessa Williams).

Les



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Jew Rosenboig (joelr@winternet.com) spouts his usual filth:
> Why won't you answer the question, "Reverend":  
> 
> 
> Have you stopped fucking your dog yet?

Have you stopped beating your daughter yet?

Les




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Richard Glen Cheek (rcheek@pop.erols.com) writes:
> MMedi13720 wrote:
>> 
>> X-no-archive: yes
>> 
>> In article <834721588$15702@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
>> Griswold) writes:
>> 
>> >Black?  Yep, sure were a lot of them in National Socialit Germany!
>> 
>> True...only that superior Aryan athlete known as Jesse Owens.
> 
> Actually, I've read there were as many as 120,000 blacks in Germany till 
> about 1936, and over night it seemed they simply disappeared. The 
> suspicion, though unproven, is that they were kidnapped, executed and 
> incinerated over a very short period of time.
> 
> Does anyone else have info on this?

This is one of YOURS, people, not one of mine.

Les



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Charles wrote:

(snip)

>   Amazing how getting mugged and/or assaulted will change a person's
> attitude, huh?

A conservative is a liberal who's just been mugged.  And a racist is a
White person who's witnessed (or, more likely, been the victim of) a negro
doing his thing.

(snip)

>  Ironically, the white liberals always say, "Gimme ONE example of where
> you saw a white person attacked by a black! Can't? You're a racist!"
>   Then, when you relate an example out of personal experience as you
> have, they say, "That's just anecdotal evidence! It doesn't count!"

How true.  Liberals get uncomfortable when people relate personal experience,
and they seek to do whatever damage control they can.  After all, some of
the sheeple might read or hear about the personal experience, and relate
it to their own.  It's a proven fact that liberalism succeeds in inverse
proportion to the actual number of non-whites that they foist in an area. 
Integration's great that way, because it opens the eyes of white people
the way a thousand pro-white messages never could.

Les




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Race-traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> White Wolf wrote:
>> 
>> Statistics on Immigrants....
>> 
>> 1991 Immigrant Statistics
>> 
>> Country  Immigrants    Percent
>> 
>> Austria    512,000      6.6%
>> Belgium    923,000      9.2%
>> Denmark    170,000      3.3%
>> Finland     36,000      0.7%
>> France   3,597,000      6.3%
>> Germany  5,882,000      7.3%
>> Italy      897,000      1.5%
>> Neth.      733,000      4.8%
>> Norway     148,000      3.5%
>> Spain      361,000      0.9%
>> Sweden     494,000      0.7%
>> Switz.   1,163,000     17.1%
>> UK       1,750,000      3.1%
>> Austral. 3,940,000     22.3%
>> Canada   4,342,000     15.7%
>> USA     19,767,000      7.8%
>> 
>> From One World Guides
>> http://www.oneworld.org/overviews/refugees/stalker_foreign.html
>> 
>> These statistics are from five years ago. In the USA, immigration is
>> averaging one million legal and 2.3 million illegals per year. That would
>> double the above figures for the USA.
>> 
>> We are on our way to ruin and oblivion. The US, Canada, and Australia look
>> like international airports more than countries. The world has gone crazy.
>> We came here to get away from these freaks.
> 
> Really? Europeans came to N. America and Australia to escape 
> non-whites?? You really are one stupid fuck! Most Australians were 
> deported criminals and many Americans came for reasons ranging from 
> escaping prison to economic opportunity.

He's talking about now, freak.  That's just so typical of you
anti(white)-racists:  refuse to acknowledge that things change over time,
and that things as they exist now ALWAYS existed.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun 21 19:06:44 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: The Nature of the Threat
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RasKassone (raskassone@aol.com) writes:
> Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet.  First we need to
> truly understand the Nature of the Threat.  A pale man walks in the
> threshold of darkness.  Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
> with the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive blue eyes, blond hair and
> white skin.  Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans. 
> So the mutants travelled north of the equator (called Europeans later -
> the first race haters).  So here's the devil's alpha to the beta 'cause
> history is best qualified to teach one.  Quoting German philosopher
> Schopenhaur "every white man is a faded or a bleached one".  

And paraphrasing Karl Marx, negroes are not unevolved White men, they are
DEGENERATE White men.

(snip - rest of libelous, White hating, semi-literate crap deleted)

Ya know, this sort of thing must just warm the hearts of liberals
everywhere, when they see the true "intellectal" powers of negroes
publicly displayed.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun 21 19:10:26 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: White Men Find me Attactive!
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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>>> "The Jacot Family"  wrote:
>>>>>I am a beautiful black woman.  
>>>> 
>>>> Indeed.  One wonders just how "black" you are, or if you are a mulatress like 
>>>> Vanessa Williams, with white features, looking like a white woman with a tan.
>>> 
>>> Why, Leslie, are you saying that you find the mixed-race Vanessa Williams
>>> attractive, you sly dog?
>> 
>> (retarded Sinead O'Connor sig. deleted)
> 
> You know, Les, it always makes me feel good to know that I've irked you
> right back into using 3rd Grade-style insults.

... and making you feel good is the sole motivation in my life. :-)
 
>> Nope, not at all.  But Vanessa Williams IS more attractive than, say,
>> Whoopie Goldberg, who is a fine example of a relatively pure negress (I
>> know, I know, she's got blue eyes, which just means that there was a honky
>> in the woodpile somewhere, but still, she's purer than Vanessa Williams).
> 
> Well, given that I didn't ask just *how* attractive you found her (really,
> I'm not interested in playing "Which Woman Les Likes Best" as we know
> Rightie would win) but *whether* you found her attractive--period--it
> seems that your answer is, in fact, that you *do* find her *comparatively*
> attractive (ie, more so than Ms. Goldberg).

Sweetie, I find most gorillas comparatively more attractive than Whoopie
Goldberg.  But what does that prove?

(retarded Sinead O'Connor sig. deleted, yet again, to make Jenn happy!)

Les




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Subject: Re: What's white?
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> Don't forget that according to Griswold Logic (tm):
> 
> * A "White" woman can date and have a sexual relationship 
>   with O.J. Simpson, but she immediately becomes "white"
>   when she marries him or conceives his child.

Incorrect.
 
> * Aryan or "White" people don't act in porno movies, but 
>   "White" women can/do act like apes in heat.

Incorrect.
 
> Les may be flexible about his definitions, but his intentions toward
> non-Whites is pretty darned clear.
> 
>       "I can too define the Aryan race.  It's only quibblers 
>       like you who assume that, once defined, we can't be   
>       flexible.  Sorry, we can."
>       -----------Les Griswold

Your point?
 
>       "No, the real program of the National Alliance is to 
>       PRESERVE the White race, through whatever means are 
>       NECESSARY.  I really don't understand what your 
>       obsession is with killing non-Whites."
>       -----Les Griswold

Your point?
 
>       "Then you have very poor perceptive powers.  The whole 
>       point is, we're trying to get RID of the jews.  Tell me, 
>       have the jews EVER tried to do that?"
>       -----Les Griswold

Your point?
 
Les




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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4qh60i$1nb@basement.replay.com>, nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
> wrote:
> 
>> In article , jeff_brown@pol.com
>> (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>> 
>> > The logical conclusion, therefore, is that Griswold has evidence that most
>> > blacks _are_ "animalistic sub-humans who only destroy, and never create or
>> > contribute", and that the majority of blacks _do_ "go haywire".
>> 
>> 
>> Pick up and read ANY newspaper! 
> 
> Something a little more specific than the mumblings of yet another
> anonymous racist are required to qualify as evidence.
> 
> Can you specify (by newspaper title, date, edition, section, and page) any
> newspaper article which supports the contention that the majority of
> blacks _do_ "go haywire"?

Translation:  he's got me here.  If I pulled my head out of my ass, I'd
see reality.  So I'll just use the standard liberal tactic of playing dumb
(easy for us).

Pretty chastened lately, Brown.

Les




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Whiny union shit John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser "Bucky" Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) whines:
> 
>> The point is, one has to
>> take RACES as a whole.  Your freakish individualism is unique to whites.  I'd 
>> like to see how long you'd last with the "everyone's an individual" crap
>> when you're locked up with a jail cell full of niggers.  That, by the way,
>> is the quickest way to wake up someone's racial instincts.
> 
> Ummm...what were you doing in the joint, Bucky?

I wasn't.  See, Johnny, I said that being in the pen with a cell full of
niggers is the FASTEST way to awaken someone's racial instincts.  I did
not say that it is the ONLY way to do so.  Of course, I'm not surprised
that you union-types could only conceive of intimidation as a means of 
forwarding an ideology.

Les



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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> ProudWhiteMan wrote:
>> 
>> I'm so proud of you brother!
>> White Power forever! White Pride World Wide!
>> Stay proud! HEIL HITLER!!!!
>> --
>> I salute you,
>>              from Dony
>> 
>>     You can exterminate my race,
>> but you'll never take away my pride!
> 
> Who needs to exterminate uneducated losers like you??! You and your 
> dysfunctional likes will be discarded in the process of human evolution 
> sooner or later!

You sound kind of desperate, Stefan, almost like believing that is a tenet
of your religion.  If indeed we're such losers, WHY do you liberals expend
so much energy in constantly reminding us?

This is a neat example of the dual-belief system that liberals rely on: 
"Natsees" and racists are dumb, inbred hicks who have IQs of room
temperature, but we're ALSO the biggest single threat to "humanity".

The second sentence of eB's statement is also revealing of the liberal
double-think processes:  evolution hasn't made any discernible difference
in the races to date, but it WILL, eventually, follow liberal dictates
exactly.  Could anything be more arrogant?

Les



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Charles Freedboig (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

Chuckie!  You're back!  And got some nifty monickers, I see!  

> 	Next, like Milton Kleim, the Reverend Ron, announces he too will
> concentrate  on finding a nice girl to marry, build a family, and
> therefore do the most important thing in preserving the white race.  An
> obvious conclusion for those that can think.  If white people, or any
> other people want to preserve their race, all they have to do is marry
> each other and produce children of that race.  A mass race war will
> obviously kill more whites by far, than will ever be lost to
> interracial marriage which is not a terribly high statistic. 
> However, that obvious conclusion, does not stroke the lowly egos of
> movement members who get to wear nifty uniforms, get drunk, make
> violent speeches, and feel themselves important.  
> 	Maybe a little common sense was found this week by our two
> "famous" net warriors Kleim and Schoedel.  Could Brainfartenfuhrer
> Griswold be next?  We'll wait and see.

Anything's possible, Chuckie.  Heck, one could even speculate about jews
acting decently.

Les




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Charles Freedboig (cfree@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

Chuckie!  You're back!  And got some nifty monickers, I see!  

> 	Next, like Milton Kleim, the Reverend Ron, announces he too will
> concentrate  on finding a nice girl to marry, build a family, and
> therefore do the most important thing in preserving the white race.  An
> obvious conclusion for those that can think.  If white people, or any
> other people want to preserve their race, all they have to do is marry
> each other and produce children of that race.  A mass race war will
> obviously kill more whites by far, than will ever be lost to
> interracial marriage which is not a terribly high statistic. 
> However, that obvious conclusion, does not stroke the lowly egos of
> movement members who get to wear nifty uniforms, get drunk, make
> violent speeches, and feel themselves important.  
> 	Maybe a little common sense was found this week by our two
> "famous" net warriors Kleim and Schoedel.  Could Brainfartenfuhrer
> Griswold be next?  We'll wait and see.

Anything's possible, Chuckie.  Heck, one could even speculate about jews
acting decently.

Les




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another (wondis@jumpstar.net) writes:

(snip)

Crazy Jeannie:
>>> Les may be flexible about his definitions, but his intentions toward
>>> non-Whites is pretty darned clear.
>>>
>>>       "I can too define the Aryan race.  It's only quibblers
>>>       like you who assume that, once defined, we can't be
>>>       flexible.  Sorry, we can."
>>>       -----------Les Griswold

Moi: 
>>Your point?

Crazy again:
>>>       "No, the real program of the National Alliance is to
>>>       PRESERVE the White race, through whatever means are
>>>       NECESSARY.  I really don't understand what your
>>>       obsession is with killing non-Whites."
>>>       -----Les Griswold

Moi encore: 
>>Your point?

Crazy, for a third time:
>>>       "Then you have very poor perceptive powers.  The whole
>>>       point is, we're trying to get RID of the jews.  Tell me,
>>>       have the jews EVER tried to do that?"
>>>       -----Les Griswold

Moi: 
>>Your point?
> 
> Les, one can only deduce by your repeated "your point" reply that you
> are just plain slow. 

The only "one" who "deduces" anything of the sort is YOU.  My requests
that Crazy supply the relevance of the quotes in question are quite
reasonable, except for a bigot like you.

> It is obvious that the point was to illustrate your continuing idiocy.
> But, one must suppose that such a deep concept just flies over the head of a 
> shallow pathological idiot such as yourself.

???

Don't tell me we've got another dumb-ass liberal here to try and pester
me.  Really, you people are so tedious and boring.  Can't you get together
and decide to go for a little "diversity", or something?

Les




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:

(snip - Caesar responding to allegations that black families are less than
stable)

> I take it you haven't heard of council estates in Cardiff (over 99%
> white) where 2 out of every 3 kids are born to unmarried mothers.

Bullshit.  Define "white" in your argument.  Like a typical liberal, are
you using that to mean "not black", so pakis and asians slither through?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun 28 07:34:43 PDT 1996
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Does this one really require proof?  I thought it was as self-evident as
saying that the sky is blue.

Les


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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les (aka Bucky) Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> : > Les (aka Bucky) Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> 
> : (snip - Phil telling me why I shouldn't call that race-traitor evil Beavis
> : a race-traitor, and a really nifty exchange of name-calling)
> 
>     Because there's no such thing as a race traitor.  It's just like
> there's no such thing as a sellout among Blacks- it's all in people's minds.

I can't decide if you're REALLY this ignorant, or just PRETENDING to be for
reasons of your own.

> : >     Bullshit.  Something tells me you have a limited definition of
> : > liberals, because while I'm very much a diversified person on this,
> : > there aren't too many liberal ideas I really agree with.
> 
> : Diversified, my ass.  You may THINK (well, what passes for thinking with
> : you) that you're "diversified", but you're a stereotypical anti-(White)
> : racist.
> 
>     Anti-White, my ass.  I'm White, was born that way, and will die that
> way.  I'm proud of who I am.  But I'm not superior to, or "above" anyone
> who is not White in any way.  I accept people regardless of their
> background.  And if a commitment to equality is anti-White, so be it...

You are.
 
> : >     And you should be the last person to talk about anyone being stupid.
> : > You're a miserable, closed-minded person full of hate.  Now that, to me,
> : > is stupid.  Race-based notions, which you have many of, are stupid. 
> : > Truth is, no group of people are all exactly alike.  
> 
> : (BIG sigh)
> 
> : And when did I ever say that they were, Phil?
> 
>     Your constant stereotypes of people according to their race.
> 
> : The point is, one has to take RACES as a whole.  Your freakish
> : individualism is unique to whites.
> 
>     Bullshit.  The United States, a White-dominated country, is by far
> the most individualistic country in the world, so any individualism I
> have (which I have none of, I might add) is not unique to anyone. 

Yes, and the United States is just doing SOOO well, isn't it?

> And I might add, it's not Africans and African-Americans who made the country
> so individualistic.  In Africa, there is a principle that "it takes an 
> entire village to raise a child"- Africans and African-Americans have a 
> strong sense of community that goes back to Africa, which also explains
> their use of "brother" and "sister" with people who are not their 
> biological siblings.  So it certainly wasn't they who brought on this 
> individualistic mindset.

Damn straight.  The "it takes a village" mindset is just a way for negroes
to avoid personal responsibility, by shucking off any responsibility that
an Aryan would accept.  I have a hunch that this "village" mentality is
responsible for many of the female heads of negro households.

> : I'd like to see how long you'd last with the "everyone's an individual"
> : crap when you're locked up with a jail cell full of niggers.  That, by
> : the way, is the quickest way to wake up someone's racial instincts.
> 
>     Well, I'll never be jailed up, so that's irrelevant.  

Neither have I, but that doesn't stop you sort from bringing up and
relishing the thought.

> And my point about being an individual is not what you think.  I am White,
> but I'm also an individual.  A Black person is Black, but also an individual. 

You're making the mistake of assuming that negroes think just like us. 
They don't.  This pathological individualism is unique to our race.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les (aka Bucky) Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> : > Les (aka Bucky) Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> 
> : (snip - Phil telling me why I shouldn't call that race-traitor evil Beavis
> : a race-traitor, and a really nifty exchange of name-calling)
> 
>     Because there's no such thing as a race traitor.  It's just like
> there's no such thing as a sellout among Blacks- it's all in people's minds.

I can't decide if you're REALLY this ignorant, or just PRETENDING to be for
reasons of your own.

> : >     Bullshit.  Something tells me you have a limited definition of
> : > liberals, because while I'm very much a diversified person on this,
> : > there aren't too many liberal ideas I really agree with.
> 
> : Diversified, my ass.  You may THINK (well, what passes for thinking with
> : you) that you're "diversified", but you're a stereotypical anti-(White)
> : racist.
> 
>     Anti-White, my ass.  I'm White, was born that way, and will die that
> way.  I'm proud of who I am.  But I'm not superior to, or "above" anyone
> who is not White in any way.  I accept people regardless of their
> background.  And if a commitment to equality is anti-White, so be it...

You are.
 
> : >     And you should be the last person to talk about anyone being stupid.
> : > You're a miserable, closed-minded person full of hate.  Now that, to me,
> : > is stupid.  Race-based notions, which you have many of, are stupid. 
> : > Truth is, no group of people are all exactly alike.  
> 
> : (BIG sigh)
> 
> : And when did I ever say that they were, Phil?
> 
>     Your constant stereotypes of people according to their race.
> 
> : The point is, one has to take RACES as a whole.  Your freakish
> : individualism is unique to whites.
> 
>     Bullshit.  The United States, a White-dominated country, is by far
> the most individualistic country in the world, so any individualism I
> have (which I have none of, I might add) is not unique to anyone. 

Yes, and the United States is just doing SOOO well, isn't it?

> And I might add, it's not Africans and African-Americans who made the country
> so individualistic.  In Africa, there is a principle that "it takes an 
> entire village to raise a child"- Africans and African-Americans have a 
> strong sense of community that goes back to Africa, which also explains
> their use of "brother" and "sister" with people who are not their 
> biological siblings.  So it certainly wasn't they who brought on this 
> individualistic mindset.

Damn straight.  The "it takes a village" mindset is just a way for negroes
to avoid personal responsibility, by shucking off any responsibility that
an Aryan would accept.  I have a hunch that this "village" mentality is
responsible for many of the female heads of negro households.

> : I'd like to see how long you'd last with the "everyone's an individual"
> : crap when you're locked up with a jail cell full of niggers.  That, by
> : the way, is the quickest way to wake up someone's racial instincts.
> 
>     Well, I'll never be jailed up, so that's irrelevant.  

Neither have I, but that doesn't stop you sort from bringing up and
relishing the thought.

> And my point about being an individual is not what you think.  I am White,
> but I'm also an individual.  A Black person is Black, but also an individual. 

You're making the mistake of assuming that negroes think just like us. 
They don't.  This pathological individualism is unique to our race.

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> : > They are racists because they fear what they do not understand. They
> : > are insecure and worried about their ability to achieve in an ever 
> : > changing and dynamic world. Thus they resort to racism in order to 
> : > boost their low self esteem in a very cowardly way.
> 
> : And what does that say about you, marrying a negress?  Is that because
> : you know you couldn't cut it with a White woman?
> 
>     I'm willing to bet it's a case of falling in love- and love has no
> color, mind you.  Love doesn't see a color, it sees people.

You have no idea what love is.  FYI, it's NOT about making a tent in your
pants, and wanting to bump uglies with the first female to cross your path.
 
>     I find many non-White women attractive.  In fact, of the many young
> women I've known over the first 20+ years of my life, the three that I
> have wanted to be with the most (for one reason or another, I could not
> be with any one of them, each a different story) are non-White.  One is
> Asian, and the other two are Black.

Bully for you.
 
>         Phil "does that say something about me??" Kasiecki

Yeah, it says that you're a wienie.

Les




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Rajiv K. Gandhi (qwerty@qwerty.com) writes:
> In article <4qksh6$p57@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
>> 
>> (snip - Caesar responding to allegations that black families are less than
>> stable)
>> 
>> > I take it you haven't heard of council estates in Cardiff (over 99%
>> > white) where 2 out of every 3 kids are born to unmarried mothers.
>> 
>> Bullshit.  Define "white" in your argument.  Like a typical liberal, are
>> you using that to mean "not black", so pakis and asians slither through?
> 
> It is odd, little man, that while you yourself refuse to define white, you
> demands that others do so. BTW, a 'paki' is an Asian, so your last
> statement is redundant (although redundancy is not something that you are
> unfamiliar with.)
> 
> ----------
> 
> This message is a reponse to usenet public posting.

So, why'd you e-mail it?  My guess is, you're running out of providers. 
Keep it up.

Les



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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les (aka Bucky) Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> : > Les (aka Bucky) Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > : Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> 
> : (snip - Phil telling me why I shouldn't call that race-traitor evil Beavis
> : a race-traitor, and a really nifty exchange of name-calling)
> 
>     Because there's no such thing as a race traitor.  It's just like
> there's no such thing as a sellout among Blacks- it's all in people's minds.

I can't decide if you're REALLY this ignorant, or just PRETENDING to be for
reasons of your own.

> : >     Bullshit.  Something tells me you have a limited definition of
> : > liberals, because while I'm very much a diversified person on this,
> : > there aren't too many liberal ideas I really agree with.
> 
> : Diversified, my ass.  You may THINK (well, what passes for thinking with
> : you) that you're "diversified", but you're a stereotypical anti-(White)
> : racist.
> 
>     Anti-White, my ass.  I'm White, was born that way, and will die that
> way.  I'm proud of who I am.  But I'm not superior to, or "above" anyone
> who is not White in any way.  I accept people regardless of their
> background.  And if a commitment to equality is anti-White, so be it...

You are.
 
> : >     And you should be the last person to talk about anyone being stupid.
> : > You're a miserable, closed-minded person full of hate.  Now that, to me,
> : > is stupid.  Race-based notions, which you have many of, are stupid. 
> : > Truth is, no group of people are all exactly alike.  
> 
> : (BIG sigh)
> 
> : And when did I ever say that they were, Phil?
> 
>     Your constant stereotypes of people according to their race.
> 
> : The point is, one has to take RACES as a whole.  Your freakish
> : individualism is unique to whites.
> 
>     Bullshit.  The United States, a White-dominated country, is by far
> the most individualistic country in the world, so any individualism I
> have (which I have none of, I might add) is not unique to anyone. 

Yes, and the United States is just doing SOOO well, isn't it?

> And I might add, it's not Africans and African-Americans who made the country
> so individualistic.  In Africa, there is a principle that "it takes an 
> entire village to raise a child"- Africans and African-Americans have a 
> strong sense of community that goes back to Africa, which also explains
> their use of "brother" and "sister" with people who are not their 
> biological siblings.  So it certainly wasn't they who brought on this 
> individualistic mindset.

Damn straight.  The "it takes a village" mindset is just a way for negroes
to avoid personal responsibility, by shucking off any responsibility that
an Aryan would accept.  I have a hunch that this "village" mentality is
responsible for many of the female heads of negro households.

> : I'd like to see how long you'd last with the "everyone's an individual"
> : crap when you're locked up with a jail cell full of niggers.  That, by
> : the way, is the quickest way to wake up someone's racial instincts.
> 
>     Well, I'll never be jailed up, so that's irrelevant.  

Neither have I, but that doesn't stop you sort from bringing up and
relishing the thought.

> And my point about being an individual is not what you think.  I am White,
> but I'm also an individual.  A Black person is Black, but also an individual. 

You're making the mistake of assuming that negroes think just like us. 
They don't.  This pathological individualism is unique to our race.

Les




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Craig Lambert (clambert@cris.com) writes:

(snip)

> You said, as I clearly quoted above my comment, that we were "suckered into
> fighting for WRONG SIDE" (emphasis added).  So you were not JUST arguing we
> should not have been involved in the war, oh fabled flinger of fallacies.
> You were saying the wrong side was defeated: the Nazis.  

Correct again.  Geez, you keep this up, we're not gonna have anything to
argue about!

> The Nazis had ambitious plans for exercising domination over the world, 

So?

> in concert with their racial comrades in arms, the Empire of the Rising Sun.

This is bait, right?

(snip)

> Truly, the Nazis would have gone down to defeat eventually: slavery has too
> foul a name in today's world to flourish as it did in the Nazi state.

Slavery didn't "flourish" in the National Socialist state.  This is more
bait, right, like when you guys start about "Natsees and gun control"?

> Hitler was wildly overambitious, and it is more likely than not (but not
> certain) that Britain and the SU without the USA might have defeated him,
> although what America would have gained by sitting on the sidelines would
> likely have been a Europe ruled by Stalin all the way to the Atlantic
> Ocean.

Hah.  The British were out of the war completely by 1940.  Much more
likely than the scenario you posit, is the British coming to their senses
(perhaps after removing that vile pervert and piece of shit Winston
Churchill) and joining with National Socialist Germany and realizing the
threat posed by the Soviet Union.  Ah, well, we'll never know, right?  
 
> As for whether the stupidity is deliberate or not, I tend to feel that
> racism attracts persons with certain deficiencies in their thinking,
> although it is possible those attracted to racism for emotional reasons may
> merely be ecouraged to cultivate those mental incapacities characteristic
> of racists without necessarily being innately incapable of reasoning more
> lucidly.

Ya, ya, heard it all before.  Fuck you.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 30 09:34:13 PDT 1996
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"D. Braun" (dbraun@u.washington.edu) writes:
> On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
>> D. Braun wrote:
>> > ...
>> > By the way, whiteboy, dija know that we were all descended from
>> > hominids with dark skin, that were covered with fur and ate their food
>> > raw?
>> >
>> >                 Dave Braun
>> >
>>
>> The color of their skin is unknown, but the general thrust of what you
>> say is correct.
>>
>> You did, however, fail to note that, since then, some races have evolved
>> further than others.
> 
> Nope. You are ignorant of hoe evolution actually works. 

A LIBERAL is going to lecture us on the facts of life?  Oh, happy day...

> The evolutionary process tends to preserve adaptations that increase the
> liklyhood of successful reproduction.  The gene for sickle cell anemia confers
> resistance to malaria; however, when both recessive alleles are present,
> sickle cell anemia a potentially fatal disease (hitting before
> reproductive age) can occur.  In those people with ONE allele for the
> disease, they have a better chance at reproduction. Europeans, however,
> don't have these genes, and all are at risk of contracting
> malaria, potentially fatal in children, the sick and elderly.  So there
> you have it--- evolution has favored Africans in regard to malaria--- they
> are "better" able to resist it than you.  

So we have evolved intelligence enough to combat (among other things),
malaria.  Negroes usually get it in their genes.  I'd say we're even on
THAT score.

> This does not make them "more advanced" because of evolution, just
> better adapted in regards to resistance to this disease.  Evolution says
> nothing about what is "better" in the sense you mean.  Got it, numbskull?
> By the way, hate is learned, not inherited; otherwise I would wish for you
> to go to a high malaria area without anti-malarial drugs, Mr. white
> supremacist loser.

Please.  That sort of liberal hate-screed went out with the mid-80s.  But
it's evidence, I suppose, of the inability of liberals to ever come up
with anything current, let alone correct.

Les




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 (jerm@kellnet.com) writes:
> did you believe your mother when she told you it was ok to wear dresses 
> and womens underwear too. gets you far. did you like her smell, smell 
> against you, burning, did you get hard ons.
> besides i would guess that you hate the system that caters to civil 
> rights, but youre are very much a part of it. by supporting stereotypes 
> that hold no water and wouldnt even exist if it wasnt for a society that 
> secretly thrives on these things. wheres your validity, and proof.
> by following your line of thinking i am supposed to think of you as a 
> white trash good ole christian boy, livin in a trailer and raping your 
> sister any chance you get,and for that matter living off of food stamps 
> your self. 
> stand up and salute the flag or realize the instability in all of your 
> "observations".

I really, really hate it when semi-literate goons get access to the 'Net. 
Can anyone even figure out what this moron is saying?

Les




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Greg Goss (oreo@mindlink.bc.ca) writes:
> Keith Morrison  wrote:
> 
>>Now the fun part comes when you ask them why, if a difference of say
>>10 cubic centimeters is significant between races, why does a difference
>>of 10 cc because of height *not* make a difference?  In short, if brain
>>size is related directly to intelligence, why aren't tall people smarter?

In short, why don't you stop deliberately mis-stating our position, and
deal with what we HAVE said, rather than what you wish we WOULD say?

Les


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One of the funnier liberal arguments...

"Europeans were illiterate prior to the Industrial Revolution, so they're
no better than black Africans today!"

Les



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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Race-traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> 
>     "Race traitor"?  Go to hell, Les.  You're worse than any "race
> traitor" could be, if such a person exists, because you're a fucking
> disgrace to the human race.

Screw you, faggot.
 
> : He's talking about now, freak.  That's just so typical of you anti 
> : (white)-racists:  refuse to acknowledge that things change over time,
> : and that things as they exist now ALWAYS existed.
> 
>     Bullshit.  Pot, kettle, black...
>     You say that, yet you have on several occasions used historical data
> to "back up" your opinions of non-Whites being inferior.  

The differnece being, Pill, that MY examples are relevant.  EB's are not.

> And here you go making another stereotype ("that's just so typical of you 
> ...."), further proving just how bigotted you are.  

It's easy to sterotype about liberals.  You're all so freaking stupid, and
you all think alike.  Finally, it really throws you sorts into a dither
when one of your many massivelyh stupid positions is soundly demolished.

> Where'd you learn to talk, anyway?  The H. Ross Perot School of Speech?

What's this fascination with associating racists with borderline
con(artist)servatives?

Les



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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> In article <4qqfi4$pal@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>,
> Scott A. Reap  wrote:
> 
> 	(ya gotta learn to _edit_, son!  It doesn't just save bandwidth; 
> it's easier on the eyes too!)
> 
>>  Ah.....yes....that good ole' liberal logic...if one is "racist" one
>>is "ignorant"....ah yes indeedy! It is indeed quite unfortunate for
>>these liberals (read: tenny-booper minded ninnies that need to grow up)
>>that they use the term "ignorant" out of context......not only that but
>>they verify their lack of intellectual prowness by using the term
>>"ignorant" to describe "racists" to the point of repetitious insanity!!
> 
> 	Well, let's put it this way: many of the openly racist folks I've 
> met _have_ been uneducated, unwashed and unemployed.  

Oh, dear, dear, dear...

Kevin, much the same can be said about liberal trash.  I've NEVER seen a
racist with a purple mohawk, bitching about being unable to get a job
serving the public.  Get off it.

> I wouldn't say 
> _all_ of them are; David Duke, Don Black and Milton Kleim all strike me 
> as reasonably intelligent, if misguided.  But the "White Power" movement 
> certainly does attract a disproportionate share of subnormals.  

As does any fringe movement, such as... Satanism :-) 

> 	I do not believe most racist "science" holds up to careful 
> scrutiny.  

What you "believe" is not synonymous with reality, Kevin.  You liberals
REALLY MUST learn to put aside your arrogance.

Les



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Harvester (trans2@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Recently, my wife and I were discussing moving away from the New York City area
> because besides the high cost of living and the stress involved in commuting, there
> is a problem with black on white crime and a heavy influx of immigrants flooding
> the area and not assimilating into our society. I am sick and tired of looking
> at all these different colored faces; hearing different languages(Spanish, Indian,
> Black-talk) everywhere I turn. There is never a day goes by when I don't experience
> one negative incident with one of these leeches. So we were wondering if anyone
> out there knows some nice quiet towns or even moderately sized cities we can consider
> to live in where we can feel relatively safe again and share experiences with other
> white people. I know there is some idealistic and far reaching plan under foot to form a 
> separate white section of America but I can't wait for it. I heard Madison, Wisconsin
> is a consideration and perhaps a few cities in Idaho. I've been to New Hampshire
> and THAT seems to be a pretty nice state but if anyone out there can help, I would
> appreciate it...Serious e-mail please..Thank you in advance....

The problem with this, though, is that whenever a mostly-White area is
mentioned, it soon becomes the focus for massive non-white influx.  I
mean, even negroes don't want to live in the hell-holes created by their
"bruthahs".

Les




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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Race-traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> 
>     "Race traitor"?  Go to hell, Les.  You're worse than any "race
> traitor" could be, if such a person exists, because you're a fucking
> disgrace to the human race.

Screw you, faggot.
 
> : He's talking about now, freak.  That's just so typical of you anti 
> : (white)-racists:  refuse to acknowledge that things change over time,
> : and that things as they exist now ALWAYS existed.
> 
>     Bullshit.  Pot, kettle, black...
>     You say that, yet you have on several occasions used historical data
> to "back up" your opinions of non-Whites being inferior.  

The differnece being, Pill, that MY examples are relevant.  EB's are not.

> And here you go making another stereotype ("that's just so typical of you 
> ...."), further proving just how bigotted you are.  

It's easy to sterotype about liberals.  You're all so freaking stupid, and
you all think alike.  Finally, it really throws you sorts into a dither
when one of your many massivelyh stupid positions is soundly demolished.

> Where'd you learn to talk, anyway?  The H. Ross Perot School of Speech?

What's this fascination with associating racists with borderline
con(artist)servatives?

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 30 12:32:02 PDT 1996
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meagain (wondis@jumpstar.net) writes:

(snip)

> Oh Come on Les! You've really GOT TO STOP referring to people who
> pester you as liberals. 

Why?  It's accurate.

> You seem to imply that you are representative of the conservative outlook,
> and that is simply not true! 

You've got THAT right.  A conservative is someone who's too cowardly to
fight, and too fat to run.

> I and most conservatives abhor being identified with you and your kind.  Can't
> you get that through your head?

Tough shit.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 30 12:32:04 PDT 1996
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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> In article <4qqfi4$pal@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>,
> Scott A. Reap  wrote:
> 
> 	(ya gotta learn to _edit_, son!  It doesn't just save bandwidth; 
> it's easier on the eyes too!)
> 
>>  Ah.....yes....that good ole' liberal logic...if one is "racist" one
>>is "ignorant"....ah yes indeedy! It is indeed quite unfortunate for
>>these liberals (read: tenny-booper minded ninnies that need to grow up)
>>that they use the term "ignorant" out of context......not only that but
>>they verify their lack of intellectual prowness by using the term
>>"ignorant" to describe "racists" to the point of repetitious insanity!!
> 
> 	Well, let's put it this way: many of the openly racist folks I've 
> met _have_ been uneducated, unwashed and unemployed.  

Oh, dear, dear, dear...

Kevin, much the same can be said about liberal trash.  I've NEVER seen a
racist with a purple mohawk, bitching about being unable to get a job
serving the public.  Get off it.

> I wouldn't say 
> _all_ of them are; David Duke, Don Black and Milton Kleim all strike me 
> as reasonably intelligent, if misguided.  But the "White Power" movement 
> certainly does attract a disproportionate share of subnormals.  

As does any fringe movement, such as... Satanism :-) 

> 	I do not believe most racist "science" holds up to careful 
> scrutiny.  

What you "believe" is not synonymous with reality, Kevin.  You liberals
REALLY MUST learn to put aside your arrogance.

Les



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Harvester (trans2@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Recently, my wife and I were discussing moving away from the New York City area
> because besides the high cost of living and the stress involved in commuting, there
> is a problem with black on white crime and a heavy influx of immigrants flooding
> the area and not assimilating into our society. I am sick and tired of looking
> at all these different colored faces; hearing different languages(Spanish, Indian,
> Black-talk) everywhere I turn. There is never a day goes by when I don't experience
> one negative incident with one of these leeches. So we were wondering if anyone
> out there knows some nice quiet towns or even moderately sized cities we can consider
> to live in where we can feel relatively safe again and share experiences with other
> white people. I know there is some idealistic and far reaching plan under foot to form a 
> separate white section of America but I can't wait for it. I heard Madison, Wisconsin
> is a consideration and perhaps a few cities in Idaho. I've been to New Hampshire
> and THAT seems to be a pretty nice state but if anyone out there can help, I would
> appreciate it...Serious e-mail please..Thank you in advance....

The problem with this, though, is that whenever a mostly-White area is
mentioned, it soon becomes the focus for massive non-white influx.  I
mean, even negroes don't want to live in the hell-holes created by their
"bruthahs".

Les




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Harvester (trans2@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Recently, my wife and I were discussing moving away from the New York City area
> because besides the high cost of living and the stress involved in commuting, there
> is a problem with black on white crime and a heavy influx of immigrants flooding
> the area and not assimilating into our society. I am sick and tired of looking
> at all these different colored faces; hearing different languages(Spanish, Indian,
> Black-talk) everywhere I turn. There is never a day goes by when I don't experience
> one negative incident with one of these leeches. So we were wondering if anyone
> out there knows some nice quiet towns or even moderately sized cities we can consider
> to live in where we can feel relatively safe again and share experiences with other
> white people. I know there is some idealistic and far reaching plan under foot to form a 
> separate white section of America but I can't wait for it. I heard Madison, Wisconsin
> is a consideration and perhaps a few cities in Idaho. I've been to New Hampshire
> and THAT seems to be a pretty nice state but if anyone out there can help, I would
> appreciate it...Serious e-mail please..Thank you in advance....

The problem with this, though, is that whenever a mostly-White area is
mentioned, it soon becomes the focus for massive non-white influx.  I
mean, even negroes don't want to live in the hell-holes created by their
"bruthahs".

Les




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Richard Glen Cheek (rcheek@pop.erols.com) writes:
> The Nazis are estimated to have slaughtered 21 million innocent civilians 
> in WWII.

21 million now?  Quick, tell Ken McOyVay, so he can update his Nizkweer site!

> This is just a number

Yes, it is.

> so let's look at one particular experience of 
> a construction engineer who witnessed some of the murder squads in action. In 
> describing a group of Jews rounded up he goes on:
>  
> 'The people from the trucks - men, women and children - were forced to 
> undress under the supervision of an SS officer with a whip in his hand... 
> Without weeping or crying out, these people undressed and stood together in 
> family groups, embracing each other and saying good bye... An old lady, her 
> hair completely white, held a baby in her arms, rocking it, singing it a 
> song. The infant cried with delight. The parents watched with tears in their 
> eyes. The father held a ten year old boy by the hand, speaking softly to him: 
> the child struggled to hold back his tears. Then the father pointed a finger 
> to the sky and, stroking the boys head, seemed to be explaining something... 
> The SS officer counted off twenty people and led them behind the mound... i 
> still remember the young girl, slender and dark haired, who passed near me, 
> pointing to herself, saying 'twenty-three'. I walked around the mound and 
> faced a frightfull common grave. Tightly packed corpses were heaped together 
> so densely that only the heads showed... It was two-thirds full, and held 
> about a thousand bodies, most all shot in the head...The people, completely 
> naked, climbed down the few steps cut in the clay wall and stopped at the 
> spot indicated by the SS man. Facing the dead and wounded, the family spoke 
> softly in reply to him. Then I heard a series of rifle shots. I looked in the 
> ditch and saw their bodies contorting, their heads already inert, sinking on 
> the corpses beneath. The blood flowed from the nape of their necks. I was 
> astonished not to be ordered away... A new batch of victims approached the 
> place. They climbed down into the ditch, lined up in front of the previous 
> victims, and were shot.'

Well, one good atrocity story deserves another...
 
I think this message that I recently received from another listserv
will be of interest to many Stormfronters.  It should also be of
interest to the lurking spies here who serve the Jews [you know who
you are] to assist them in understanding what exactly it is that they
are condoning/supporting.
 
There are voices who say: 'we have to be moderate!' and 'let's
be nice to other peoples and races!'  But when these 'others' are in
positions of power over =our= people, how do we fare at their hands?
The notes below help to provide an answer, and should assist in
clarifying our mission.  Not for the squeamish!
 
Note please that Ilya Ehrenburg was a Jew.  Ehrenburg alone serves as
excellent cause for interning or deporting [or use your imagination]
all the world's Jews from Aryan societies.
 
<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
Date: Fri, 31 May 96 05:16:07 -0700 (PDT)...
 
...published recently in "Der Freiwillige, June 1995, pages 10-11, under the
title "In Their Terror All Were Alike," written (or edited) by Hans Koppe.
 
". . . Since the same old stories of war crimes allegedly committed by the
Germans are being parroted over and over again in prayer-wheel fashion,
particularly by the younger generations who are too lazy (or deliberately
unwilling) to obtain a real grasp of the subject through the study of
documents from the archives of our former enemies' documents which are both
accessible and irrefutable - we wish to call to mind the following report
which first appeared 30 years ago in the Deutschland Journal of April 23,
on p. 7 of issue 17.
 
It is supplemented with the eyewitness report of an armoured infantryman
who recorded his impressions on March 7, 1995. P. 7, issue 17, April 23,
1965 (Deutschland-Journal). Report of the German-Brazilian citizen Leonora
Geier, nee Cavoa, born on October 22, 1925 in Sao Paulo, Brazil.   Before
the expulsion she lived in Hirschberg, Bahnstrasse 8.
 
Present at the writing of this report:
 
Bernhard Wassmann, born on May 10, 1901, Bautzen, Senftenberger Strasse 15;
 
Reiner Halhammer, born on February 3, 1910, Bautzen, Sterngasse 2;
 
Manfred Haer, born on April 9, 1929, Gorlitz, A.Bebel-Strasse 1;
 
KyrillWratilavo, born on March 3, 1918,
Bautzen, Karl-Marx-Strasse 25.
 
The witnesses present confirm that the aforementioned, Leonora Geier, made
this report without any coercion, threats or other outside influence,
motivated solely by the need to make the terrible events of the time of the
German Reich's collapse known to posterity since she has received
permission to emigrate to Brazil.
 
The report was drawn up on October 6, 1955 and discusses the events of
February 16, 17 and 18 1945, which are already partially known. At that
time the witness was employed as typist in Camp "Vilmsee" of the RAD), the
Women's Labour Service.  Being a Brazilian. she was considered by the
Russian Army to be an ally put to forced labour in the .service of the
National-Socialist state.
 
These prerogatives were attested to by a document which she presented here
and which bears the rubber stamp of the First White Russian Army. Since the
present report disregards existing moral standards and sexual taboos, it
must under no circumstances be made available to underage persons.
 
All events are recounted in a plain, straight-forward manner in order to
document historical accuracy. Nothing has been added, nothing was withheld.
 
 
Bernhard Wassmann and Manfred Haer were members of the Infantry Artillery
and Training Company I. G. 81 and were assigned to rescue operations in the
aforementioned camp when the city of Neustettin was occupied following the
temporary retreat of the First White Russian Army:
 
"On the morning of February 16 [19451 a Russian division occupied the Reich
Labour Service camp of Vilmsee in Neustettin. The Commissar, who spoke
German well, informed me that the camp was dissolved and that, as we were a
uniformed unit, we were to be transported immediately to a collecting camp.
 
 
Since 1, being a Brazilian, belonged to a nation on friendly terms with the
Allies, he entrusted me with the leadership of the transport which went to
Neustettin, into the yard of what used to be an iron foundry. We were some
500 girls from the Women's Reich Labour Service.
 
The Commissar was very polite to us and assigned us to the foreign workers'
barracks of the factory. But the allocated space was too small
for 11 of us, and so I went to speak to the Commissar about it.
 
He said that it was, after all, only a temporary arrangement, and offered
that I could come to the typists' office if it was too crowded for me,
which I gladly accepted. He immediately warned me to avoid any further
contact with the others, as those were members of an illegal army. My
protests that this was not true were cut off with the remark that if I ever
said anything like that ever again, I would be shot.
 
Suddenly I heard loud screams, and immediately two Red Army soldiers
brought in five girls. The commissar ordered them to undress. When they
refused out of modesty, he ordered me to do it to them, and for all of us
to follow him.
 
We crossed the yard to the former works kitchen, which had been completely
cleared out except for a few tables on the window side. It was terribly
cold, and the poor girls shivered. In the large, tiled room some Russians
were waiting for us, making remarks that must have been very obscene,
judging from how everything they said drew gales of laughter.
 
The Commissar told me to watch and learn how to turn the Master Race into
whimpering bits of misery. Now two Poles came in, dressed only in trousers,
and the girls cried out at their sight. They quickly grabbed the first of
the girls, and bent her backwards over the edge of the table until her
joints cracked. I was close to passing out as one of them took his knife
and, before the very eyes of the other girls, cut off her right breast. He
paused for a moment, then cut off the other side.
 
I have never-heard anyone scream as desperately as that girl. After this
operation he drove his knife into her abdomen several times, which again
was accompanied by the cheers of the Russians.
 
The next girl cried for mercy, but in vain, it even seemed that the
gruesome deed was done particularly slowly because she was especially
pretty. The other three had collapsed, they cried for their mothers and
begged for a quick death, but the same fate awaited them as well.
 
The last of them was still almost a child, with barely developed breasts.
They literally tore the flesh off her ribs until the white bones showed.
 
Another five girls were brought in. They had been carefully chosen this
time. All of them were well-developed and pretty. When they saw the bodies
of their predecessors they began to cry and scream. Weakly, they tried
desperately to defend themselves, but it did them no good as the Poles grew
ever more cruel.
 
They sliced the body of one of them open lengthwise and poured in a can of
machine oil, which they tried to light. A Russian shot one of the other
girls in the genitals before they cut off her breasts.
 
Loud howls of approval began when someone brought a saw from a tool chest.
This was used to tear off the breasts of the other girls, which soon caused
the floor to be awash in blood. The Russians were in a blood frenzy.
 
More girls were being brought in continually. I saw these grisly
proceedings as through a red haze. Over and over again I heard the terrible
screams when the breasts were tortured, and the loud groans at the
mutilation of the genitals.
 
When my knees buckled I was forced onto a chair. The Commissar always made
sure that I was watching, and when I had to throw up they even paused in
their tortures.
 
One girl had not undressed completely, she may also have been a little
older than the others, who were around seventeen years of age. They soaked
her bra with oil and set it on fire, and while she screamed, a thin iron
rod was shoved into her vagina until it came out her navel.
 
In the yard entire groups of girls were clubbed to death after the
prettiest of them had been selected for this torture. The air was filled
with the death cries of many hundreds of girls. But compared to what
happened in here, the beating to death outside was almost humane.
 
It was a horrible fact that not one of the girls mutilated here ever
fainted. Each of them suffered mutilation fully conscious. In their terror
all of them were alike in their pleading; it was always the same, the
begging for mercy, the high-pitched scream when the breasts were cut and
the groans when the genitals were mutilated.
 
The slaughter was interrupted several times to sweep the blood out of the
room and to clear away the bodies. That evening I succumbed to a severe
case of nervous fever. I do not remember anything from that point on until
I came to in a field hospital.
 
German troops had temporarily recaptured Neustettin, thus liberating us. As
I learned later, some 2,000 girls who had been in RAD, BDM and other camps
nearby were murdered in the first three days of Russian occupation."
 
(signed) Mrs. Leonora Geier, nee Cavoa
 
Copy of a handwritten report:
 
"I read the account of an eyewitness, Mrs. Leonora Geier. The bestiality
she experienced, and described in her account, is 100% true. and a typical
reflection of the fantasies and exhortations of the Soviet propagandist and
chief ideologist Ilya Ehrenburg.
 
This bestiality was a tactical measure intended to force the German
population to flee from the Eastern regions en masse, and was the rule
rather than the exception all the way over to the Oder River.
 
What I myself witnessed:
 
I was an armoured infantryman and had been trained on the most modern
German tank of those days, the Panther. Survivors from tank crews were
reassembled in the Reserves at Cottbus and kept ready for action.
 
In mid January, 1945, we were transferred to Frankfurt on the Oder River,
into a school building. One morning we were issued infantry weapons, guns,
bazookas and submachine guns.
 
The next day we were ordered to march to Neustettin. We traveled the first
60 miles or so by lorry, and after that  some 90 miles per day in forced
marches.
 
We were to take over some tanks that were kept ready for us in a forest
west of Neustettin. After a march lasting two days and nights, some ten
crews reached the forest just before dawn.
 
Two tanks were immediately readied for action and guarded the approach
roads while the other comrades, bone-weary, got a little sleep. By noon all
tanks, approximately 20, had been readied.
 
Our orders were to set up a front-line and to recapture villages and towns
>from  the Russians. My platoon of three tanks attacked a suburb that had a
train station with a forecourt. After we destroyed several anti-tank guns
the Russians surrendered.
 
More and more of them emerged from the houses. They were gathered into the
forecourt about 200 sat crowded closely together. Then something unexpected
happened.
 
Several German women ran towards the Russians and stabbed at them with
cutlery forks and knives. It was our responsibility to protect prisoners,
and we could not permit this. But it was not until I fired a submachine gun
into the air that the women drew back, and cursed us for presuming to
protect these animals. They urged us to go into the houses and take a look
at what (the Russians) had done there.
 
We did so, a few of us at a time, and we were totally devastated. We had
never seen anything like it utterly, unbelievably monstrous! Naked, dead
women lay in many of the rooms. Swastikas had been cut into their abdomens,
in some the intestines bulged out, breasts were cut up, faces beaten to a
pulp and swollen puffy.
 
Others had been tied to the furniture by their hands and feet, and
massacred. A broomstick protruded from the vagina of one, a besom from that
of another, etc. To me, a young man of 24 years at that time, it was a
devastating sight, simply incomprehensible!
 
Then the women told their story:
 
The mothers had had to witness how their teen and twelve-year-old daughters
were raped by some 20 men; the daughters in turn saw their mothers being
raped, even their grandmothers.
 
Women who tried to resist were brutally tortured to death. There was no
mercy. Many women were not local; they had come there from other towns,
fleeing from the Russians.
 
They also told us of the fate of the girls from the RAD whose barracks had
been captured by the Russians. When the butchery of the girls began, a few
of them had been able to crawl underneath the barracks and hide. At night
they escaped, and told us what they knew. There were three of them.
 
The women and girls saw parts of what Mrs. Leonora Geier described. The
women we liberated were in a state almost impossible to describe. They were
overfatigued and their faces had a confused, vacant look. Some were beyond
speaking, ran up and down and moaned the same sentences over and over
again.
 
Having seen the consequences of these bestial atrocities, we were terribly
agitated and determined to fight. We knew the war was past winning; but it
was our obligation and sacred duty to fight to the last bullet . . ."
 
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 30 15:11:01 PDT 1996
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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Race-traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> 
>     "Race traitor"?  Go to hell, Les.  You're worse than any "race
> traitor" could be, if such a person exists, because you're a fucking
> disgrace to the human race.

Screw you, faggot.
 
> : He's talking about now, freak.  That's just so typical of you anti 
> : (white)-racists:  refuse to acknowledge that things change over time,
> : and that things as they exist now ALWAYS existed.
> 
>     Bullshit.  Pot, kettle, black...
>     You say that, yet you have on several occasions used historical data
> to "back up" your opinions of non-Whites being inferior.  

The differnece being, Pill, that MY examples are relevant.  EB's are not.

> And here you go making another stereotype ("that's just so typical of you 
> ...."), further proving just how bigotted you are.  

It's easy to sterotype about liberals.  You're all so freaking stupid, and
you all think alike.  Finally, it really throws you sorts into a dither
when one of your many massivelyh stupid positions is soundly demolished.

> Where'd you learn to talk, anyway?  The H. Ross Perot School of Speech?

What's this fascination with associating racists with borderline
con(artist)servatives?

Les




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