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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May  1 09:21:36 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Jacob Weiss from Assholia
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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> List a single thing you have built or contributed to Western Civilization
> gris-gris. 

*yawn*

Here we go again.  I might ask you the same thing, Jacob, but you've made
it plain that you aren't willing to come forth with any personal
information, to prove once and for all that you have umpteen-million
patents, and that you work where you imply (but never state) that you do. 

> Go back into your miserable ancestry, an ancestry that has
> produced a 70 to 85 IQ person who is only able to work as a security guard,
> and a list a single contribution they have made to Western Civilization. 

James!  How unconscionably racist!  Negroes don't have 70 to 85 IQs! 
That's cultural bias!

What, dear boy, do you have against security guards?

> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
> venomous hatred imaginable.  

"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.

> What a legacy for your children, in later years when asked what their father
> did they can say he spent his time on the internet spewing hatred.  You are
> a most miserable creep. 

This concern for my future, James, it's so... touching.  I'm really moved
to tears by your empathy.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Gandhi runs interference for Graves
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m226b$at9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
(Graves believes that Robert Mathews "smoked" a "federal marshall" (sic). 
Liberals hate to see one ûof their own proven wrong.)
 
>> "Bobby" didn't smoke any federal marshall.  Face it, Graves, you don't
>> know the first thing about Aryans, so shut up and let the big boys talk.
 
> Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
> times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?

Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
marshall" (sic)?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.skinheads
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
>>> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
>>> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
>>> venomous hatred imaginable.  
> 
>>"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.
> 
> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?

I work.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May  1 09:21:41 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lvjs9$j78@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
>>> 
>>> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
>>> 
>>> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?
> 
>>So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?
> 
> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
> 
>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>    India..."
> 
> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.

*sigh*

But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m4m7h$75h@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Gandhi defending Graves, who alleged that "Bobby" Mathews "smoked"
a "federal marshall" (sic))

>> > Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
>> > times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?
>> 
>> Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
>> marshall" (sic)?
> 
> Well, little man, I never claimed that it did. But your hero Bobby is at
> the least an aryan who saw fit to commit armed robbery not once, not
> twice, but at least three times.

True.  But the topic of discussion was whether he had "smoked" a "federal
marshall", and that it demonstrated that Graves couldn't keep even something 
so simple straight in his little mind.
 
> Whether or not he killed a U.S. Marshal I do not know,

So find out, paki.

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

A.M.: 
>>> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?
> 
>>I work.
>> 
> You have an amazing grasp of the obvious, really.
> 
> What job do you do?

Oh, I suppose that I'm supposed to fall on my knees because one of G-d's
Self-Chosen Guttersnipes wants to know?

Ask McGoyVay.  He seems to find it amusing to follow people and make
little of honest work.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m6jh5$qk3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - MarK Paul asserting that white bimboes in porno flicks ACT like
apes in heat, and me reminding him that negresses LOOK like apes, in heat
or otherwise)

> * > You've been watching those Tarzan movies again, haven't you? Shit, you
> * > probably make Sylvie yodel like Jane everytime you move just to make you
> * > feel like a man.
> * 
> * Oh, look who's talking, Miss "I'll convince everyone that I have a REAL
> * life by constantly talking about it!" 
> 
> Geez, you're still hip-deep in one pile of guano, and you're already
> trying to swandive into another. Equating a passionate woman with an ape
> in heat is not a good way to win her affections even if you only want her
> to produce lil' white ankle-biters.

Ahh, but I don't.  See, we're talking about white trash porno stars, not
White women.  Of course, I can understand how you'd like to blur that
distinction, thinking that you might prove to be attractive to a man
through argumentation, if nothing else.

(snip)

> * > Tell Sylvie that she reminds you of an ape the next time that you wanna 
> * > get lucky, then we'll know what sort of man you really are.
> * 
> * Why would I lie?
> 
> CRAP! When don't you lie, monkey-boy?

Crazy Jeannie goes to the doctor, and he tells her she has to give up half
her sex life.  Her immediate response is, "Talking about it, or thinking
about it?"

Les



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Kaa Byington (octavia@worldnet.att.net) writes:

(snip)

> Gays can claim Alexander the Great, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, just 
> to name a few.  ;

Only by lying and obfuscation.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  2 03:29:31 PDT 1996
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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> List a single thing you have built or contributed to Western Civilization
> gris-gris. 

*yawn*

Here we go again.  I might ask you the same thing, Jacob, but you've made
it plain that you aren't willing to come forth with any personal
information, to prove once and for all that you have umpteen-million
patents, and that you work where you imply (but never state) that you do. 

> Go back into your miserable ancestry, an ancestry that has
> produced a 70 to 85 IQ person who is only able to work as a security guard,
> and a list a single contribution they have made to Western Civilization. 

James!  How unconscionably racist!  Negroes don't have 70 to 85 IQs! 
That's cultural bias!

What, dear boy, do you have against security guards?

> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
> venomous hatred imaginable.  

"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.

> What a legacy for your children, in later years when asked what their father
> did they can say he spent his time on the internet spewing hatred.  You are
> a most miserable creep. 

This concern for my future, James, it's so... touching.  I'm really moved
to tears by your empathy.

Les



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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m226b$at9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
(Graves believes that Robert Mathews "smoked" a "federal marshall" (sic). 
Liberals hate to see one ûof their own proven wrong.)
 
>> "Bobby" didn't smoke any federal marshall.  Face it, Graves, you don't
>> know the first thing about Aryans, so shut up and let the big boys talk.
 
> Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
> times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?

Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
marshall" (sic)?

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
>>> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
>>> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
>>> venomous hatred imaginable.  
> 
>>"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.
> 
> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?

I work.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  2 03:29:36 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lvjs9$j78@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
>>> 
>>> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
>>> 
>>> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?
> 
>>So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?
> 
> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
> 
>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>    India..."
> 
> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.

*sigh*

But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  2 03:29:39 PDT 1996
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m4m7h$75h@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Gandhi defending Graves, who alleged that "Bobby" Mathews "smoked"
a "federal marshall" (sic))

>> > Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
>> > times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?
>> 
>> Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
>> marshall" (sic)?
> 
> Well, little man, I never claimed that it did. But your hero Bobby is at
> the least an aryan who saw fit to commit armed robbery not once, not
> twice, but at least three times.

True.  But the topic of discussion was whether he had "smoked" a "federal
marshall", and that it demonstrated that Graves couldn't keep even something 
so simple straight in his little mind.
 
> Whether or not he killed a U.S. Marshal I do not know,

So find out, paki.

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

A.M.: 
>>> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?
> 
>>I work.
>> 
> You have an amazing grasp of the obvious, really.
> 
> What job do you do?

Oh, I suppose that I'm supposed to fall on my knees because one of G-d's
Self-Chosen Guttersnipes wants to know?

Ask McGoyVay.  He seems to find it amusing to follow people and make
little of honest work.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m6jh5$qk3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - MarK Paul asserting that white bimboes in porno flicks ACT like
apes in heat, and me reminding him that negresses LOOK like apes, in heat
or otherwise)

> * > You've been watching those Tarzan movies again, haven't you? Shit, you
> * > probably make Sylvie yodel like Jane everytime you move just to make you
> * > feel like a man.
> * 
> * Oh, look who's talking, Miss "I'll convince everyone that I have a REAL
> * life by constantly talking about it!" 
> 
> Geez, you're still hip-deep in one pile of guano, and you're already
> trying to swandive into another. Equating a passionate woman with an ape
> in heat is not a good way to win her affections even if you only want her
> to produce lil' white ankle-biters.

Ahh, but I don't.  See, we're talking about white trash porno stars, not
White women.  Of course, I can understand how you'd like to blur that
distinction, thinking that you might prove to be attractive to a man
through argumentation, if nothing else.

(snip)

> * > Tell Sylvie that she reminds you of an ape the next time that you wanna 
> * > get lucky, then we'll know what sort of man you really are.
> * 
> * Why would I lie?
> 
> CRAP! When don't you lie, monkey-boy?

Crazy Jeannie goes to the doctor, and he tells her she has to give up half
her sex life.  Her immediate response is, "Talking about it, or thinking
about it?"

Les



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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
>>>> Well, come on by, say hi next time, maybe we can go for a cheeseburger or
>>>> something...

J.S.:
>>> I'd love to, except that your appearance isn't exactly something to whet
>>> one's appetite, know what I mean?

Moi encore: 
>> Yeah, I suppose if I dressed like your ex, Richie, I'd be MUCH more
>> appealing to you.
> 
> Not really--with that hair you'd have to do a hell of a lot more than put
> on skinhead gear to impress me.  Besides which (and I'm ever-so-sorry to
> break the news to you this way), I require my men to have an IQ well above
> average and a personality that actually *enhances* their appeal.  Fact
> is, Lester, you just don't cut the mustard.
> 
> Ain't that a shame, dearest--you're not even good enough for a Jew. 

Oh, my heart is just bleeding purple panther piss.
 
>> Well, THAT'S something to shoot for:  to be admired by a jewess!  Talk
>> about giving meaning to my life!
> 
> Oh, but I *do* admire you, Lester.  I don't believe, after all, that I've
> ever seen anyone do *quite* what you do quite as well as you do it...
> 
> Looking forward to hearing of your allotted time to share this dubious
> talent of yours with our Members of Parliament,

Oh no!  You mean (gasp)... I will actually have to TAKE CREDIT for what
I've been saying?  I'd better go into plausible deniability mode, right
now!  Quick, Jenn, wanna date?

BTW, that cheeseburger remark was a stab at your stupid Kosher laws.  You
know, dairy products with meat and all that.  Wotta dummy you are.

Les



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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4m3sdg$ddq@tst.hk.super.net>
>            pristine@news.hk.super.net "Mr Richard Ethan Latker" writes:
> 
>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>> 
>> : It doesn't mean they don't want to, either.  So tell me, wise one, where
>> : might these chinee go if they don't go to Merry Olde England?
>> 
>> Canada.
> 
> If they did, it would be a blessing for Canada. (HK's standard of
> living is higher than the UK's)

This must be a definition of the word "blessing" that I am unaware of.

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:

(snip)

Alexander Kotov: 
>>Andrew, instead of attempting to offend me, try coming up with facts in
>>support of whatever you are trying to prove.
> 
> I'm trying to prove you're a racist idiot, but I don't need facts,
> because you're doing a grand job of proving it for me.

Exactly, because anyone who doesn't lavish praise on jews for all their
contributions to society is a "racist" - no facts needed!

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>John Morris (jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
>>> On 30 Apr 1996 02:16:47 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [snip]
>>> 
>>>>Ironic, isn't it, that where birth control could do the most good, it's shunned.
>>> 
>>> Yeah. Damn your parents anyway!
> 
>>Har-de-har-har.  The fact remains, though, that Third Worlders are almost
>>unanimous in their rejection of what they SHOULD be accepting, while White
>>women use birth control at a much higher rate than they should.
> 
> It's a religious issue, Leslie.  Why don't you start hating Irish Catholics
> while you're at it, eh?

Just a guess here, Mathis... but Irish Catholics aren't a drain on First
World resources.  Third Worlders are.  When was the last UN mission to
Ireland?

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:

(snip)

Alexander Kotov: 
>>Andrew, instead of attempting to offend me, try coming up with facts in
>>support of whatever you are trying to prove.
> 
> I'm trying to prove you're a racist idiot, but I don't need facts,
> because you're doing a grand job of proving it for me.

Exactly, because anyone who doesn't lavish praise on jews for all their
contributions to society is a "racist" - no facts needed!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  2 07:28:18 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>>Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>A.M.: 
>>>>> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?
>>> 
>>>>I work.
>>>> 
>>> You have an amazing grasp of the obvious, really.
>>> 
>>> What job do you do?
> 
>>Oh, I suppose that I'm supposed to fall on my knees because one of G-d's
>>Self-Chosen Guttersnipes wants to know?
> 
>>Ask McGoyVay.  He seems to find it amusing to follow people and make
>>little of honest work.
> 
> Leslie, while I've no doubt that you do some sort of labor to provide
> for your inbred children, I don't understand why you won't say what it
> is you do?
> 
> Ashamed?

Nope.  It's none of your business, though.
 
> Jeez, my grandfather was a janitor, a garbage man, a building
> superintendent, and a house-painter.  He never had a checking account
> or a credit card, and he died with about $7,000 to his name.  And I'm
> god-damned proud of all those things.  Because it means my family got
> where we are by working for it.

Who cares?  That's totally irrelevant to ANYTHING being discussed, or ever
to be discussed, here.
 
Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:

(snip)

Alexander Kotov: 
>>Andrew, instead of attempting to offend me, try coming up with facts in
>>support of whatever you are trying to prove.
> 
> I'm trying to prove you're a racist idiot, but I don't need facts,
> because you're doing a grand job of proving it for me.

Exactly, because anyone who doesn't lavish praise on jews for all their
contributions to society is a "racist" - no facts needed!

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  2 07:32:39 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> 
>> Jenny-poo, you keep up with this "darling" stuff, and you could damage my
>> reputation as an "anti-semite".  Wouldn't want that, now would we?
> 
> I don't know, Les...somehow I think damaging your reputation any more
> than you've done yourself might be one of the few challenges that are
> beyond even *my* extraordinary capabilities.

Think a lot of ourself, don't we?
 
(snip - Jenn telling how she "saw" me)

>>> ...and indeed I could, much to my own slightly nauseated amusement.  You
>>> *are* good for a giggle, aren't you, Lester?
>> 
>> Well, come on by, say hi next time, maybe we can go for a cheeseburger or
>> something...
> 
> I'd love to, except that your appearance isn't exactly something to whet
> one's appetite, know what I mean?

Yeah, I suppose if I dressed like your ex, Richie, I'd be MUCH more
appealing to you.

Well, THAT'S something to shoot for:  to be admired by a jewess!  Talk
about giving meaning to my life!

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: On the record (was: Stalked by jews!)
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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

>>> Looking forward to hearing of your allotted time to share this dubious
>>> talent of yours with our Members of Parliament,
>> 
>> Oh no!  You mean (gasp)... I will actually have to TAKE CREDIT for what
>> I've been saying?  I'd better go into plausible deniability mode, right
>> now!  
> 
> Nonsense!  None of us would want anything more than for you to go on
> saying *exactly* what you have been all along.  Heck, *emphasize* it if
> you want!  Affirm the statements which have induced oh-so-many giggles
> among us, stress them and underline them!
> 
> Heck, Lester, go ahead and stake your reputation on them (not much to
> lose, really)!!  I would expect nothing less of a man of your
> oh-so-*interesting* character than that you stand by your oft-scoffed-at
> beliefs in the face of adversity (or at least the face of a Parliamentary
> committee).

And the beatuy of it is, that anything I say will be recorded, verbatim,
for the record. :-)

>> Quick, Jenn, wanna date?
> 
> You know, Lester, you're not being particularly original--at least two of
> your esteemed WP colleagues have already beat you to that particular
> question (says a lot about you folks' consistency, though).  But no thank
> you, I don't date "your kind".

Bigot. :-(

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m7af0$2bk@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> * > In article <4m6jh5$qk3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> * > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * 
> * (snip - MarK Paul asserting that white bimboes in porno flicks ACT like
> * apes in heat, and me reminding him that negresses LOOK like apes, in heat
> * or otherwise)
> 
> Here's what you actually said, monkey-boy:
> 
>       White women may ACT like apes in heat, but negresses LOOK like apes in
>       heat, and that's a fact, Jack.

And... ?  You're having a lot of fun with your clip n' paste, aren't you?

(snip)

> * > Geez, you're still hip-deep in one pile of guano, and you're already
> * > trying to swandive into another. Equating a passionate woman with an ape
> * > in heat is not a good way to win her affections even if you only want her
> * > to produce lil' white ankle-biters.
> * 
> * Ahh, but I don't.  See, we're talking about white trash porno stars, not
> * White women. 
> 
> So you're a porno movie fan, eh?

How do you get that?

> Tell me, monkey-boy, does a White woman
> stay White if she allows herself to be videotaped during sexual activity?
> Is her whiteytude besmirched or enhanced by bad acting/faking enjoyment? 

Wanna know how I feel about your past adventures?  Sorry, I've never been
into woman/goat movies.
 
(snip)

> * Crazy Jeannie goes to the doctor, and he tells her she has to give up half
> * her sex life.  Her immediate response is, "Talking about it, or thinking
> * about it?"
> 
> Yeah, wait'll Sylvie finds out that riding a unicycle buck nekkid around
> your bungalow does *nothing* to preserve the Aryan Race, pal.

You're projecting again.  Please don't.

Les





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Stewart "Chicken a la" King (slking@scws40.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip)
 
> : So he (ie, Robert Mapplethorpe) spent most of his time with flowers.  Big
> : deal.  He also spent some time stuffing bullwhips up asses (his own, I
> : think)

> Well, everyone needs a little variety.

I say "variety", you say "stuff a bullwhip up orifices".  You REALLY CAN'T
SEE the difference between "variety" and deliberate grossness, can you?

> [snip re: shocking can be useful]
> 
> : But it shouldn't be the PRIMARY purpose of art.  
> 
> It can be.  And most of Mapplethorpe's work, even the supposedly shocking 
> bits, also has considerable aesthetic appeal. 

Shoving a bullwhip up a rectum is aesthetically appealing?  Please explain
this one, Stewie.

> Form, texture, that kind 
> of thing.  It's not like he was just sitting around in the dark in his 
> basement stuffing bullwhips in bodily orifices all day trying to shock 
> people - he spent a lot of time and effort on this stuff, as well as the 
> other, relatively innocuous things he did.

I bet.  And lots of K-Y, too, I'll bet.
 
Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m9tpj$pkf@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > So you're a porno movie fan, eh?
> * 
> * How do you get that?
> 
> You have felt yourself sufficiently qualified to comment on porno movies,
> so you must have some experience in watching them, right? Maybe you screen
> porno flicks for "unAryanlike behavior" to further define "White", eh?

I also feel myself sufficiently qualified to talk about the toxic effects
of dioxin, but that doesn't mean I ingest it or otherwise expose myself to
it, shit-for-brains.

(snip)
 
> * > Yeah, wait'll Sylvie finds out that riding a unicycle buck nekkid around
> * > your bungalow does *nothing* to preserve the Aryan Race, pal.
> * 
> * You're projecting again.  Please don't.
> 
> You're right. I guess an Aryan organ-grinder just isn't that talented.

Sure, Crazy.  At least Sylvie has NEVER felt the need to regale us with
the minutest details of her life.  On that basis alone, she is miles ahead
of you.

Les




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Subject: Re: A question about Bernhard Goetz
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Alan Gore wrote:
>> 
>> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> 
>> >Do you have some evidence for this? And why are a lowly racist like you calling an
>> >accomplished atttorney a scumbag??!
>> 
>> Certainly - he's the ponytailed sack of shit who defended Colin
>> Ferguson. What part of "proves our point" don't you understand?
>> 
>> agore@primenet.com  | "Giving money and power to the government
>>   Alan Gore         |  is like giving whiskey and car keys
>>   Software For PC's |  to teenaged boys"
>>   Phoenix, Arizona  |     -P J O'Rourke
> 
> 
> Do you think that people should not have the right to representation in
> court? He's just a good lawyer is all. I guess you consider people like
> Johnnie Cochran (who also defended a murderer!) "sacks of shit" too...

Beaver, the word "good" should NEVER appear in the same sentence as
"lawyer".  Shit, you allegedly speak SIX languages, and you don't know that?

Les



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Subject: I AM ASHAMED THAT EVIL BEAVIS IS WHITE !!!
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> 10 % of our population in Sweden is first or second generation immigrants.
> Many from Northern Africa and the Middle East as well as Turkey and
> ex-Yugoslavia. That is already quite high. It is nice though to be walking
> around in Stockholm and hear all kinds of languages and see all kinds of
> dress - a cosmopolitan city indeed up in the cold North!

Yes, I'm not surprised that YOU would think so.  Sort of draws the
limelight away from you, and makes you feel like your (self-admitted)
miscegenation is less sinful right?

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m9tpj$pkf@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > Tell me, monkey-boy, does a White woman
> * > stay White if she allows herself to be videotaped during sexual activity?
> * > Is her whiteytude besmirched or enhanced by bad acting/faking enjoyment? 
> * 
> * Wanna know how I feel about your past adventures?  Sorry, I've never been
> * into woman/goat movies.
> 
> Nice sidestep there, cockroach-boy. Now answer the question: Do "White"
> women lose their Aryan status if they perform on camera? BTW, asswipe,
> there have never been any videotapes of me with anyone, let alone farm
> animals. I used to be a Sunday School teacher, so watch your perverted
> mouth!

Gettin' a little steamed, Crazy?  Yet in an earlier message in this
string, you wrote: 

> * > Yeah, wait'll Sylvie finds out that riding a unicycle buck nekkid around
> * > your bungalow does *nothing* to preserve the Aryan Race, pal.

So why is it okay for a shit like you to make rude comments about my wife,
but you get honked when I make similar comments to your face?  At least I
don't talk about you when you aren't around.

Hmm, do I smell ANOTHER liberal double-standard here?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
>>In article <4mas4s$c2s@news.nyu.edu>, 
>>jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) wrote:
> 
>>>Where is it a stated purpose ofNizkor to get Les Griswold fired?  
>>>Troll, troll, troll, troll, life is but a dream.
> 
>>I wouldn't dream of getting the Griswold fired. I want him to
>>get the recognition he so richly deserves, and have taken
>>steps to initiate that recognition by mentioning his name
>>to Members of Parliament concerned with human rights issues,
>>and to members of the Fifth Estate across Canada. It is, after
>>all, the least I can do for the pathetic little fellow. 
> 
>>I want Canadians to see his manly little physique on CPAC, our
>>Parliamentary television channel. I want them to see this
>>dark-haired, frail little "Aryan superman" in all his glory, 
>>spouting incessant inanities for anyone who will listen, his
>>words of wisdom simultaneously translated into French.
> 
>>I want Canada's legislators to learn from the sharing of the
>>Griswold Wisdoms; hell, I want "Griswold" to become a
>>familiar name to each and every Canadian. I want Canadians to
>>thrill every time Griswold opens his little mouth.
> 
>>I want our MP's to hear him explain that they need to contact
>>"The head office" if they want an interview. The laughter
>>should resound from ocean to ocean on that one alone,
>>parlicularly when our Mr. "I can't talk to the media because I am
>>too stupid, and Pierce won't permit it" Griswold is asked to
>>reconcile this head office directive with his clear
>>achievement: He's made a fool of himself on the internet
>>without Mr. Pierce's approval. (Anyone reading his wise and
>>timely wisdom will recognize this at once!)
> 
>>I want Lester to become famous throughout the land; I want him
>>to be pointed to as an example of just how far Aryan
>>Superheros can rise in our country. Security guard! Imagine
>>that! Our Noble Aryan Hero, that Leader Among Men, the head of
>>the National Appliance in Canada, Grand Fuehrer and Lord
>>Grease, Lester Griswold himself, risen on the strength of his
>>wisdom and vision to the lofty position of security guard!
> 
>>A True Canadian Hero, our cute little Griswold, perhaps about
>>to receive the recognition he so richly deserves... wait for
>>it :-)
> 
>>As anyone who watched CPAC last Tuesday will tell you, Mr.
>>Griswold's name is even now resounding in the Centre Block of
>>Parliament, and I have only begun my quest to help him achieve
>>Fame and Recognition in Canada.
> 
>>William Pierce should enjoy it. I know I will.
> 
> Translation:
> 
> McVay wants to use the government to intimidate, imprison, or
> otherwise ruin those with whom he disagrees. There is no other
> reasonable explanation for his statements.

Basically, that's what it amounts to.  McOyVay KNOWS that his position is
untenable, and that the only way he can get his odious ideas out is to
have them sanctioned by the government.
 
> If Mr. McVay had absolute confidence in the veracity of his position,
> he would not resort to such tactics.

Yep, that about sums him up.
 
Les




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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:

(snip - Mathis getting nosy about what I do for a living, and me telling
him that it's none of his business)

> : > Leslie, while I've no doubt that you do some sort of labor to provide
> : > for your inbred children, I don't understand why you won't say what it
> : > is you do?
> : > 
> : > Ashamed?
> 
> : Nope.  It's none of your business, though.
> 
> Mind explaining the posts relating to Ken McVay's employment, then?

Simple:  McGoyVay has it plastered on his Nizkweer site.
 
Les




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Rad (conrad@spectra.net) writes:
> MarK Paul wrote:
> 
>> Jewish people are White...
> 
> I would call them "anti-white". Funny though, now that the Jews seem on the 
> verge of achieving their goal of destroying the white race, so many Jews CALL 
> themselves white.
> 
> But if the Jews ever vanished, there are many other parasitic groups waiting 
> to take their place. The Armenians, Christian Lebanese and Overseas Chinese 
> come to mind.

None of those groups, or even all three acting together, could do one-one
hundredth of what the jews have done.

Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) writes:
> In <4m4lf2$719@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
> !Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (fruitcake@nut.com) writes:
> !> And, now, a musical number... (This is sung to the tune of the theme song
> !> of Al Bundy's favorite tv show _Psycho Dad_. Al Bundy is a character in
> !> the tv sitcom _Married with Children_.)
> !> 
> !> Psycho Les
> !
> !(snip - song deleted to save space, although to give Crazy her due, it WAS
> !pretty funny)
> !
> !I'm touched, Crazy, I really am, that you would devote so much time to me.
> ! Gives me a lump in my eyes and tears in my throat.
> 
> She wants you, Les.  If you want a throw with a shriveled up
> hippie, you've got her number.

Ugh!  Just the thought... but you may be on to something here.  After all,
she's talking endlessly about porno movies...

> No doubt she's fantasizing about those stern faced SS studs 
> she's seen in the movies, like Love Camp 7.

Les




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Stewart "Chicken a la" King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : You REALLY CAN'T SEE the difference between "variety" and deliberate 
> : grossness, can you?
> 
> You don't deal with sarcasm very well but I keep plugging away.  Heh heh 
> I said "plugging".  
> 
> Must you always take me _completely_ seriously?  Makes you seem all fuddy.

Well, Stewie, either you're completely serious, in which case you're the
biggest idiot here, or you're joking, in which case you aren't worth the
time wasted.
 
> : Shoving a bullwhip up a rectum is aesthetically appealing?  Please explain
> : this one, Stewie.
> 
> Not necessarily the penetrating bullwhip itself.  There were other 
> aspects of the pictures.  I mean, he had some really awesome shots of 
> naked black men.  They were looking mean and holding flowers.  Let me 
> tell you, people like this show up at my door almost every day.  I have 
> to keep lying and telling them I already got mine at Sears.

More "sarcasm", Stewie?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Whites are so superior.
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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
>     This thread's title is  pure bullsh*t, plain and simple.  No one is
> superior to anyone, period, end of discussion, no questions asked, no
> ifs-ands-or-buts about it, etc.  We're all created equal.

Are people really this stupid?

Les



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Stewart "Chicken a la" King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : You REALLY CAN'T SEE the difference between "variety" and deliberate 
> : grossness, can you?
> 
> You don't deal with sarcasm very well but I keep plugging away.  Heh heh 
> I said "plugging".  
> 
> Must you always take me _completely_ seriously?  Makes you seem all fuddy.

Well, Stewie, either you're completely serious, in which case you're the
biggest idiot here, or you're joking, in which case you aren't worth the
time wasted.
 
> : Shoving a bullwhip up a rectum is aesthetically appealing?  Please explain
> : this one, Stewie.
> 
> Not necessarily the penetrating bullwhip itself.  There were other 
> aspects of the pictures.  I mean, he had some really awesome shots of 
> naked black men.  They were looking mean and holding flowers.  Let me 
> tell you, people like this show up at my door almost every day.  I have 
> to keep lying and telling them I already got mine at Sears.

More "sarcasm", Stewie?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Crazy asks about pornos!
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4mcioq$jhn@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > You have felt yourself sufficiently qualified to comment on porno movies,
> * > so you must have some experience in watching them, right? Maybe you screen
> * > porno flicks for "unAryanlike behavior" to further define "White", eh?
> * 
> * I also feel myself sufficiently qualified to talk about the toxic effects
> * of dioxin, but that doesn't mean I ingest it or otherwise expose myself to
> * it, shit-for-brains.
> 
> Ah! Another clever dodge by cockroach-boy! Les, either you've watched
> porno movies enough times to make judgements about "White" actresses'
> behavior, or you are commenting on things that you know nothing about.
> Which is it, Les?

Well, Jeannie, I have watched a porno or two in my younger days.  So what?

> While you're at it, look at the following questions and
> answer them to the best of your honorable Aryan knowledge:
> 
> 1. Do White Women who act in porno movies remain White?

White women don't act in pornos.

> 2. Do White men who act in porno movies remain White?

White men don't act in pornos.

> * > You're right. I guess an Aryan organ-grinder just isn't that talented.
> * 
> * Sure, Crazy.  At least Sylvie has NEVER felt the need to regale us with
> * the minutest details of her life.  On that basis alone, she is miles ahead
> * of you.
> 
> If it was a unicycle race, undoubtedly she would be, but here in
> Newsgroupland(tm), Sylvie has yet to convince us that she even exists.

No, she has yet to convince liberal asswipes like YOU that she exists. 
Ever consider that maybe that's because she doesn't CARE what wing-nuts
like you think?

Les


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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4m3t6f$90@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

(snip)

>> Ironic, isn't it, that where birth control could do the most good, it's shunned.> 
> 
> The biggest damage to the environment is caused by people in
> the *developed* world.

So why the insane drive to import as many Third Worlders as possible into
our countries, and the equally mad imperative to "give" them everything
we've got?

> Some environmentalists have claimed the world can only support 2 billion
> people, if all the people consumed as much energy and caused as much
> pollution as the average US resident.

Well, there are over a billion people in China alone, and China is quickly
becoming industrialized.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May  5 19:05:39 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,can.politics
Subject: Racism!  Oh horrible racism!
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I saw this morning (5 May 1996) Noel Knockwood, the "Micmac Spiritual
Leader" on "In Our Hands", a schlocky television show hosted by Rabbi Reuven 
Bulka.  The topic. of course, was "hate" (looks like they're turning up
the heat again).  Mr. Knockwood made a VERY interesting slip-up.  He was
going on and on about "education", and in the course of his monologue,
came out with "... we (meaning the native people) have to walk beside our
Jewish brothers, we have to walk beside our Black brothers, and we have to
walk beside the White PEOPLE."  Whassamatter, White people aren't good
enough to be his "brothers", but everyone else is?

Anyway, after that major foul-up, he then want on to yammer about
"institutionalized discrimination".  Wotta hypocrite!

Les

 


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Sylvie Charbonneau (bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> 
>> Ken, Ken, Ken...
>> 
>> If people don't want to read "hate speech" on the net, all they have to do
>> is point and click somewhere else.  It's not like we go into areas like
>> alt.support.breastfeeding, alt.sailing or alt.cooking.recipies shouting
>> "nigger" and "jew".  We generally tend to congregate in areas designed for
>> discourse about race, and we tend to stay there.
> 
> Hmmm...kinda like alt.fan.barry-manilow?
> 
> Funny, the FAQ never *said* anything about being "designed for discourse
> about race"...

Jenn, Jenn, Jenn...

How often did Sylvie and I post there?  

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue May  7 05:09:54 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> Ken McVay OBC [sic] replies to Sylvie Charbonnneau: 
>  
>>>>>How about when the Metzgers were thrown in jail in Canada, even though
>>>>>they hadn't done anything wrong?  How about Ernst Zundel?
>  
>>>> Ernst Zundel is, Canadians hope, about to receive a special
>>>> gift from the Canadian government: An absolutely free, one-way
>>>> trip to Germany. Isn't that wonderful? Ingrid can send us
>>>> PrisonGrams!
>  
>>> Mighty arrogant of you to speak for "Canadians," considering you're really
>>> a Yankee like me.  Or did Jean Cretin's regime authorize you to speak for
>>> the Canadian People?
> 
>>It's very revealing of what Kenny and his ilk would like to have happen to
>>us, namely that our citizenship should be revoked.  They want it so bad
>>that they can't stop comments like that from creeping into their speech. 
>>It's basically the same thing as occurs when some talking-head on the news
>>says, "All Canadians... " (or, "All Americans... "), usually followed with
>>some Politically Correct blather.
> 
> LOUSY READING COMPREHENSION/BLATANT DISTORTION NOTICE:
> 
> Or are you, like Ernst Zundel, a landed immigrant who is NOT a 
> Canadian citizen, Herr Unterschneezwergenundschnitzellenfuhrer?

Nope, Canadian citizen.

> Mr. McVay has never said anything about "having your citizenship
> revoked".  Mr. Zundel *does not have Canadian citizenship*, so it
> cannot be revoked.  The Metzgers and David Irving are neither
> Canadian citizens nor landed immigrants. 

Do try not to be an ass, Fester.  We WERE talking about me, and you know
damn well that Kenny would like nothing better than to make life as
difficult for me as possible.  The only funny part is, he really thinks
that he's going to have anything to do with it.

> The Canadian government exercises its right to deny admission to
> non-Canadians all the time.

Again, try not to be an ass.  They wouldn't DREAM of denying admission to
any non-Whites, or sitting on their hands when it's revealed that they've
committed YET ANOTHER boner (Somali warlords, anyone?)

> That Mr. McVay's contributions to fighting racism and antisemitism
> are valued by Canadians has already been amply recognised.  Of course,
> we all recognise that there are few wingnuts like you, Ms. Charbonneau,
> and apparently Bob Ringma. 

Oh, jeepers.  Ringma simply answered the question HONESTLY.  He took into
consideration the FACT that most people invest a LOT of effort and money
in a business, and probably don't want to see it go mams-up over Political
Correctness.  Stop ranting, you're getting spittle all over your monitor.

(For those who are not Canadian, or not in the know about what we're
discussing, Bob Ringma is a Reform Member of Parliament who answered a
pushy reporter's question about what he would do if an openly queer
employee, or a vizmin employee, was driving off his customers "in droves".
 Ringma, naive guy that he is, answered that he'd move the employee to
the back, or fire him.  Had I been in Ringma's position, I simply would
not have answered that media turd's question.)

Les



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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4mkhta$19c@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> Rob Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

>> > And Les, your concern has moved me deeply. (He LIKES
>> > me!...sniff...sniff...HONK...)
>> 
>> Your mawkishness moves me, too... well, part of me, anyway.
> 
> My little SugarButtons and I (that's for your lunch) are constantly amazed
> at how you can use a REAL big word like "mawkishness" less than a week
> after you entirely miss the point of a song verse that's been explained to
> you line-by-line.
> 
> Does it have anything to do with the Zodiac cycle, or maybe sunspots?

No, it has to do with the fact that Woody Guthrie doesn't know thing one
about foreclosures.  He can claim otherwise, but he stands condemned out
of his own mouth.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip)

You're really losing it, Kenny.  I'd suggest a vacation, but a True
Believer such as yourself never does take time off from his odious
beliefs, does he? 

BTW, that's "Doctor Pierce".  I know that you don't like the man much, but
he DOES have a valid PhD, which he EARNED, and which is a REAL title, not
some made-up one to append to one's name, for supposed "status".

Les



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Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Ken McVay OBC [sic] replies to Sylvie Charbonnneau: 
> 
>>>How about when the Metzgers were thrown in jail in Canada, even though
>>>they hadn't done anything wrong?  How about Ernst Zundel?
> 
>> Ernst Zundel is, Canadians hope, about to receive a special
>> gift from the Canadian government: An absolutely free, one-way
>> trip to Germany. Isn't that wonderful? Ingrid can send us
>> PrisonGrams!
> 
> Mighty arrogant of you to speak for "Canadians," considering you're really
> a Yankee like me.  Or did Jean Cretin's regime authorize you to speak for
> the Canadian People?

It's very revealing of what Kenny and his ilk would like to have happen to
us, namely that our citizenship should be revoked.  They want it so bad
that they can't stop comments like that from creeping into their speech. 
It's basically the same thing as occurs when some talking-head on the news
says, "All Canadians... " (or, "All Americans... "), usually followed with
some Politically Correct blather.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>> That Mr. McVay's contributions to fighting racism and antisemitism
>>> are valued by Canadians has already been amply recognised.  Of course,
>>> we all recognise that there are few wingnuts like you, Ms. Charbonneau,
>>> and apparently Bob Ringma. 
> 
>>Oh, jeepers.  Ringma simply answered the question HONESTLY.  He took into
>>consideration the FACT that most people invest a LOT of effort and money
>>in a business, and probably don't want to see it go mams-up over Political
>>Correctness.  Stop ranting, you're getting spittle all over your monitor.
> 
> The term "political correctness" is in many ways a most unfortunate
> addition to our language. 

I disagree.  It very accurately describes mindless statist automatons like
you.

> Folks like you now use it to disguise, although
> very thinly and not convincingly, bigotry and racism.  I don't give a 
> flying fig about most of what falls under the more widely understood
> rubric of political correctness, Herr Schweinenfuhrer, but bigotry and
> racism are something else.

But you use bigotry and racism to label anything that you'd rather not
discuss, like Ringma's answer to a hypothetical situation.
 
>>(For those who are not Canadian, or not in the know about what we're
>>discussing, Bob Ringma is a Reform Member of Parliament who answered a
>>pushy reporter's question about what he would do if an openly queer
>>employee, or a vizmin employee, was driving off his customers "in droves".
>> Ringma, naive guy that he is, answered that he'd move the employee to
>>the back, or fire him.  Had I been in Ringma's position, I simply would
>>not have answered that media turd's question.)
> 
> Yeah, you're a real man of your convictions, aren't you.

What convictions are you nattering on about?  Ringma answered the
question, which postulated about customers being driven away "in droves". 
Now the prostitute press os taling about "bigotted customers
complain[ing]".  At least I don't have to change the questions.

Les





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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:

Gord McFly drools at Kenny's feet: 
>>>Ken, do House of Commons Committees have subpoena powers?

Ken responds: 
>>Why would they need such powers, Gordon? Surely Mr. Griswold, driven as he
>>is with racist ferver, would LEAP at the opportunity to stand before
>>Parliament, resplendant in his uniform, and speak his mind!
> 
> Gee, I don't know.  Sylvie is trying to weasel out of it, and Les is saying
> it is all a plot to cost him his job.  I think he's just a teensy bit
> chicken.

Would you mind demonstrating HOW Sylvie is trying to "weasel out of it",
and how my stating a likely consequence (which I'm sure neither you nor
Kenny would lose any sleep over) is "chicken"?

(snip)

Gord, what's that brown ring around your mouth?

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4mkhta$19c@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> Rob Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

>> > And Les, your concern has moved me deeply. (He LIKES
>> > me!...sniff...sniff...HONK...)
>> 
>> Your mawkishness moves me, too... well, part of me, anyway.
> 
> My little SugarButtons and I (that's for your lunch) are constantly amazed
> at how you can use a REAL big word like "mawkishness" less than a week
> after you entirely miss the point of a song verse that's been explained to
> you line-by-line.
> 
> Does it have anything to do with the Zodiac cycle, or maybe sunspots?

No, it has to do with the fact that Woody Guthrie doesn't know thing one
about foreclosures.  He can claim otherwise, but he stands condemned out
of his own mouth.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May  9 21:16:57 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:

Gord McFly drools at Kenny's feet: 
>>>Ken, do House of Commons Committees have subpoena powers?

Ken responds: 
>>Why would they need such powers, Gordon? Surely Mr. Griswold, driven as he
>>is with racist ferver, would LEAP at the opportunity to stand before
>>Parliament, resplendant in his uniform, and speak his mind!
> 
> Gee, I don't know.  Sylvie is trying to weasel out of it, and Les is saying
> it is all a plot to cost him his job.  I think he's just a teensy bit
> chicken.

Would you mind demonstrating HOW Sylvie is trying to "weasel out of it",
and how my stating a likely consequence (which I'm sure neither you nor
Kenny would lose any sleep over) is "chicken"?

(snip)

Gord, what's that brown ring around your mouth?

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4mn5fc$r6j@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>> No, it has to do with the fact that Woody Guthrie doesn't know thing one
>> about foreclosures.  He can claim otherwise, but he stands condemned out
>> of his own mouth.
 
> And tell us: Assuming you never met Woody, how do you know what he did and
> did not know?

Because a tit like you is nice enough to post his own words with every
message you write, and then dumb enough to try and tell us that they DON'T
mean what they so obviously do, ie that foreclosure doesn't result in
driving a family from their home.  Or are you arguing that "legal"
foreclosure is not outlawry?

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>> Folks like you now use it to disguise, although
>>> very thinly and not convincingly, bigotry and racism.  I don't give a 
>>> flying fig about most of what falls under the more widely understood
>>> rubric of political correctness, Herr Schweinenfuhrer, but bigotry and
>>> racism are something else.
> 
>>But you use bigotry and racism to label anything that you'd rather not
>>discuss, like Ringma's answer to a hypothetical situation.
> 
> Huh?  Who said I didn't want to discuss Ringma's answer to a hypothetical
> situation?  So you, Ringma and some other "non-statist" thinkers believe
> in the holy bottom line above all else? 

That's the funny thing about leftist ideologues like you:  you think that
everyone to the left of Mao thinks alike.  Sorry, that ain't so.

> There is no right or wrong, only
> profit.  Yeah right.  The irony in this is that you, Ringma, et al. pretend
> that it has nothing to do with bigotry or racism.  You project the bigotry
> onto others and absolve yourselves of any responsibility.  You excell at that.

That's ANOTHER funny thing about leftist ideologues like you:  you talk a
good game about principles, but you know NOTHING about hardship.

What next, are you gonna regale us with stories about Ontario families
having to give their kids up for adoption because of Harris' tax cut?

> I don't think we need to entertain any serious thoughts about Ringma's 
> hypothetical situation every becoming a reality for him since it is
> reasonable to surmise based on his record of remarks that he would never
> hire a "non-white" person and he would not hire someone if he knew that
> they were homosexual.

Again, that prompts me to ask, "So what?"  If Ringma DID own a business,
it's his business, and no-one elses, who he chooses to hire.  Why are you
championing government telling us who we MUST work with?
  
>>>>(For those who are not Canadian, or not in the know about what we're
>>>>discussing, Bob Ringma is a Reform Member of Parliament who answered a
>>>>pushy reporter's question about what he would do if an openly queer
>>>>employee, or a vizmin employee, was driving off his customers "in droves".
>>>> Ringma, naive guy that he is, answered that he'd move the employee to
>>>>the back, or fire him.  Had I been in Ringma's position, I simply would
>>>>not have answered that media turd's question.)
>  
>>> Yeah, you're a real man of your convictions, aren't you.
> 
>>What convictions are you nattering on about?  Ringma answered the
>>question, which postulated about customers being driven away "in droves". 
>>Now the prostitute press os taling about "bigotted customers
>>complain[ing]".  At least I don't have to change the questions.
> 
> Oh, forgive me for not keeping the train of discussion sufficiently linear
> for you to follow it.  I believe that this discussion began in response
> to Mr. McVay's expressed hope that you have an opportunity to express
> your views before the Standing Committee on Human Rights.  My reference
> was to your coy demuring.  The same goes with your response above where
> you say that had you been in Ringma's position, you would not have answered
> the question.  As I said, you're a real man of conviction.  

Considering the smear job that the press, running around like a bunch of
Down's Syndrome morons has done, I think Ringma now wishes he hadn't
answered them, either.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Newsgroups and followups beaten with tire iron.
> 
> Jim Bowery (jabowery@netcom.com) wrote:
> 
> : Diversity is good.  It provides insurance against an unpredictable 
> : future.  That is why mixing everything into one big mass of grey/brown, 
> : while it might be appealing to a certain fascist tendency within our 
> : psyche, is simply not wise.
> 
> This is exactly why interbreeding is _good_ you big silly.  The more 
> traits - dominant and recessive both - are spread through the larger 
> portion of the population, the better off we are.  Speaking in terms of 
> evolutionary safety.

No, you dummy.  This shows a TOTAL misunderstanding of the hazards of just
throwing any old genes, and phenotypes, together.
 
> Ferexample if the black people have this gene, that protects them from 
> the next big disease.  They've got it, see, and white people, Asians, all 
> them don't have it.  We've never even heard of it before because it 
> hasn't been important.  So all the whites and Asians die, except the ones 
> with black blood.
> 
> That's bad.

So, IF that should occur, THEN we'll deal with it.  But what MIGHT happen
in the future (and then again, might NOT) is not a sound basis for guiding
one's actions.
 
(snip)

> The "big mass of grey/brown" is a nice little racist mental image you got 
> there, but it doesn't mean anything.  They got the genes, man, the 
> mulattoes.  Got the best of both worlds.

Or the worst.  Really, Stewie, you should take off your blinders.
 
Les



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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > Newsgroups and followups beaten with tire iron.
> : > 
> : > Jim Bowery (jabowery@netcom.com) wrote:
> : > 
> : > : Diversity is good.  It provides insurance against an unpredictable 
> : > : future.  That is why mixing everything into one big mass of grey/brown, 
> : > : while it might be appealing to a certain fascist tendency within our 
> : > : psyche, is simply not wise.
> : > 
> : > This is exactly why interbreeding is _good_ you big silly.  The more 
> : > traits - dominant and recessive both - are spread through the larger 
> : > portion of the population, the better off we are.  Speaking in terms of 
> : > evolutionary safety.
> 
> : No, you dummy.  This shows a TOTAL misunderstanding of the hazards of just
> : throwing any old genes, and phenotypes, together.
> 
> What are these hazards? Would you care to document them? Is it more
> dangerous to bring together Madonna and a Puerto Rican rather than
> two 'cousins' from Rodburn Hollow, Kentucky?

Not knowing anything about the two hypothetical cousins from Rodburn
Hollow, I can't really say.

> What, by the way, are your qualifications in the field of human
> genetics?

Two eyes, a brain, and a healthy dose of common sense.

> : > Ferexample if the black people have this gene, that protects them from 
> : > the next big disease.  They've got it, see, and white people, Asians, all 
> : > them don't have it.  We've never even heard of it before because it 
> : > hasn't been important.  So all the whites and Asians die, except the ones 
> : > with black blood.
> : > 
> : > That's bad.
> 
> : So, IF that should occur, THEN we'll deal with it.  But what MIGHT happen
> : in the future (and then again, might NOT) is not a sound basis for guiding
> : one's actions.
> : 
> This is the fallacy of petitio principii. If you can't tell the
> difference between an illustrative example and an actual case you
> really need to go back to high school. 

Well, then, mind telling us what you're saying?  That Stewie was using a
totally irrelevant and off-topic example to support his point?

Les





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Runestress (runestress@aol.com) writes:
>>Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip - Stewie running off at the mouth about some sort of "Stand"-like
plague, but one with a racist agenda)

>>: So, IF that should occur, THEN we'll deal with it.  But what MIGHT
>>: happen in the future (and then again, might NOT) is not a sound basis for
>>: guiding one's actions.
> 
> Oh no? Your house MIGHT catch fire, but then again it might NOT. Do you
> have fire insurance on your house? If you don't, you're a fool.
> 
> You MIGHT get hit by a bus, but then again, you might NOT. Do you have
> health insurance?

Both non sequiturs.  They are INDIVIDUAL problems, that *I* have to face. 
If my house burns down, I wouldn't expect the government to subsidize my
acquisition of a new one if I had lacked the forsight to insure the
present one.  If I got hit by a bus, I wouldn't expect the government to
compensate my family, other than to pay for my medical bills (see, we have
socialized medicine up here in Canada).  By contrast, we are talking about
GOVERNMENT POLICY, which will force a disastrous policy on us to face a
problem that has a MINISCULE chance of occuring.

> Saying that we'll deal with the problem of half of humanity being wiped
> out by a disease AFTER it occurs is inane. Misc.survivalism (where this
> idiotic thread has been cross-posted, as if just having Bowery in
> alt.religion.asatru hasn't been bad enough) is ABOUT preparing for what
> MIGHT happen. 

I don't think that survivalists are silly enough to turn off their brains,
though.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
>>> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>  
>>> [edit]
>  
>>>>	Were causing death by infecting people people with a fatal
>>>>disease a crime there would be an rather outrageously high murder
>>>>rate among gays by gays.  Certainly these rare beatings would
>>>>pale in comparison.  If I remember correctly, the US has had some
>>>>40,000 such murders so far this year.  
>  
>>> Trolling for an argument, Mr. Giwer, or does a man with so much
>>> "life experience" and such a whiz-bang science background actually
>>> believe the old saws about AIDS being a "gay" disease, and think 
>>> that the "immoral unequivalency" somehow makes it OK for people
>>> to beat the living daylights out of men for no reason other than
>>> their sexual orientation?
> 
>>Non sequitur, Fester.  Like it or not, AIDS LARGELY affects homos. 
>>Stating the TRUTH about the population most at risk of catching this
>>disease does NOT equate with calling it a "gay" disease.  Get your head
>>out of your arse.
> 
> Herr Oberschtinckenpimpfenfuhrer, look at the title of this thread.
> The subject is not and never was intended to be AIDS.  I am posting
> from alt.revisionism.  A discussion of AIDS is not appropriate to
> this newsgroup. 

You're right, for once.  So let's take it outta there.

> AIDS has nothing to do with the current legislation before the House of
> Commons.

Oh, so the House of Commons can now determine what we're at risk from?
 
> The *populations* most at risk for catching AIDS in *North America*
> are gay men *and* intravenous drug users. 

And we're in North America.  I'm glad that you didn't bring up the totally
irrelevant pathology-of-HIV-in-Africa bit, because the simple fact is,
WE'RE NOT IN AFRICA.  What the course of HIV there is, is totally
irrelevant to North America.

Les


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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : By contrast, we are talking about
> : GOVERNMENT POLICY, which will force a disastrous policy on us to face a
> : problem that has a MINISCULE chance of occuring.
> 
> This is the first time I've seen the words "government policy" in this 
> thread.  Which policy exactly, pray tell?  

Well, let's see, here.  There's the government policy of forcing us to
have integrated education.  There's governmental forcing of people of
disparate races living cheek-by-jowl, to name two.
 
> And so before you go applying all your liberal formulas to me I'd like to 
> say that while I think race mixin' makes sense genetically I certainly 
> don't support forcing anyone to do it. 

That's because you don't know the first thing about genetics.  Really,
Stewie, if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass every time he
jumped, now would he?

There's the way things are, and the way you pie-in-the-sky liberals want
them to be.  The two rarely, if ever, meet.

> Allowing them, certainly, but let nature take its course, I say.
 
"Let nature take its course".  Interesting.

You have a garden that you've carefully tended for several seasons.  Then
you decide to "let nature take its course."  What happens?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 10 07:21:17 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : Wake up and smell the coffee, Stewie:  animal breeders use eugenics ALL
> : THE TIME to determine WHAT, exactly, they are putting in to the next
> : generation of whatever, be they dogs, horses, or cattle.  Unless I was
> : sick the day they taught genetics at school, I understand that humans
> : follow EXACTLY THE SAME Mendelian laws of genetics.
> 
> And most of the things they're breeding would die quicker than Richard 
> Simmons if you chucked them out in the wild.  They're looking for one or 
> two specific traits. 

Precisely.  Your "mix-n-match" genetics is stumped by that simple fact.

> A healthy species in the wild gets nothing but benefit from the sharing of
> genes.  This is why sexual reproduction was successful to begin
> with - genetic variety.

Typical liberal:  since SOME genetic diversity is good, MORE must necessarily 
be better.  They make no attempt whatsoever to differentiate between a
crossing between a Dane and a Swede, say, and a White and a negro.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Matthew Simpson (simpsonm@cris.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>When a liberal asks to be "enlightened", one can be reasonably sure
>>that the LAST thing they want is enlightenment; rather, they simply want
>>to engage in a match of logic-chopping and screaming.
>>
>>Wake up and smell the coffee, Stewie:  animal breeders use eugenics ALL
>>THE TIME to determine WHAT, exactly, they are putting in to the next
>>generation of whatever, be they dogs, horses, or cattle.  Unless I was
>>sick the day they taught genetics at school, I understand that humans
>>follow EXACTLY THE SAME Mendelian laws of genetics.
> 
> Ah!  You've had a DAY of genetics training.  Well that explains a lot,
> doesn't it. 

That would still give me one more day than the typical liberal, who's so
convinced that he's right, that he really gets genuinely angry when
confronted by someone who disagrees with him.

> Hmmm...I wonder if the term "hybrid vigor" every came up on that "day"?

Yes, it did.  Did you ever hear of Russian Roulette?

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 10 07:26:18 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: How to explain RACISM to your children
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> 
>> How to Explain Racism to Your Children:
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Hello Son/Daughter:
>> 
>> Mommy wants to talk to you about racism.
>> 
>> yes, there is such a thing as racism, you see, God made niggers, we
>> can't deny that. But see, he also made them IN AFRICA.
>> God was also kind enough to put a big pond between us and them.
> 
> 
> Jesus, you are getting more and more delusional by the minute. Does your
> little feeble mind have any notion of historical migratory patterns??

Does yours?  

Listen, Steffie, negroes didn't MIGRATE out of their godforesaken jungles,
they were BROUGHT out, sometimes forcibly (and what a mistake THAT was).  I
thought that was what all you bleeding heads were whining about all the time.

Les




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Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4mg69t$pht@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>It is also the book that makes so many errors throughout, that most
>>reviewers condemned it as a shoddy piece of propaganda.  Most panned it so
>>badly, that it took about two weeks for it to go to the Canadiana section
>>of the bookstores, removed from the bestseller section.
> 
>>In fact, one reporter (who is very well informed) wrote in a review that
>> he counted 19 errors in one chapter.  Pretty lousy research.
> 
> Since Mr. Lockhart maintains that his being identified as a
> Klan member is an error, one wonders why he has not asked Mr.
> Kinsella to back up his assertion where it counts - in a civil
> court. I certainly would, were I tarred with that brush.

Come, come, Kenny, now you KNOW what would happen to Mr. Lockhart were he
to try to take Mr. Kinsella to court -- he would lose, based on the fact
that he was a "Natsee", and nothing else.  Mr. Kinsella is an
"anti-Natsee", so he would win, plain and simple.  You know this, so why
are you pretending not to?

Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4mot6s$f10@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - I made another funny at Crazy's expense, telling her that
"fidelity" on her part would be easy, because no man would ever want to do
the dirty with her)

> * > Baloney. Not every man thinks that fidelity is only meant for the woman in
> * > a relationahip, cockroach-boy, nor do they all come equipped with the
> * > mighty-whitey power ranger morphin' measuring stick to excuse their own
> * > behavior while condemning everyone else. In case you hadn't noticed, your
> * > sloppy double standards come back and slap you upside the head when you
> * > least expect it, and then everyone gets to see that ol' Les is just a
> * > manipulative little scapegoater.
> * 
> * Crazy, that was another dig at you, you wretched old crone. 
> 
> I doubt it. You just got caught tripping over your teensy little dick
> again, and you're acting like it didn't happen. Do you live by any
> consistent rules, or do you just make everything up as you go along?

Third option:  I like fucking with your miniscule mind.

> If those mighty-morphin' kids of yours are old enough to talk, I'll bet you
> hear, "But, Daddy! Yesterday you said ____ !" a lot, don't you?

Nope, never.

> Your kids will pick up on your hypocrisy quicker than a whole league of
> lib'ruls and fling it right back in your face.

No hypocrisy here, citizen.

>  I said that
> * it's probably EASY for you to "maintain" your "fidelity" because you're
> * too plug ugly for any guy to want.  So on that score, Rob can rest easy.
> 
> Les, when a couple has a *good* relationship, they don't need to look
> elsewhere. When we married -- real wedding, real minister, real church,
> real marriage license -- our wedding vows were sincere, and we have not
> broken them. I would not be with a man whom I did not respect or could not
> trust.

So, you respected and trusted your first husband?  Why'd you leave him,
then?  And was it a proper divorce?
 
(snip)

> * Geez, Crazy, doesn't it HURT to be that stupid?
> 
> No, Les, acting stupid on the Net is just a hobby. I'm much smarter and
> nicer in real life.

Yeah, sure.

Les




From rhd102@psu.edu Fri May 10 07:26:30 PDT 1996
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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
>>     This thread's title is  pure bullsh*t, plain and simple.  No one is
>> superior to anyone, period, end of discussion, no questions asked, no
>> ifs-ands-or-buts about it, etc.  We're all created equal.
>
>Are people really this stupid?
>
>Les
>
 As stupid as you,...I doubt it. 

If "Aryans" or whites are so supperior, why then did ingenious 
civilization not emerge in the "Aryans" place of origin? 

http://www.best.com/~tdgilman/egypt/earliest.jpg

While this...."nigger" was ruling over a unified state/civilization(Egypt) 
whith writing, mathematics, complex social structure, monumental 
architecture, etc. ; your aryan ancestors were living in filthy caves 
dressed in ox-skins,  squabling over spoiled meat.

I reintroduce this reality time and time again because it ultimately 
underminds the basis of all your racist thinking. 

When will you wise up sad little boy? There is no genetic difference 
between humans other than that of the phenotype(physical characteristics). 
The initial success of civilization is soley dependant on a number 
environmental factors. End of story.

KUSH



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Whitey (paul@mustang.mv.com) writes:
> clesley@mesa5.Mesa.Colorado.EDU (Chris C. Lesley) wrote:
> 
>>Sorry to interrupt, but I have a question:  what's an "assault rifle"?
> 
>    An assault rifle is a military style rifle, most often with
> high-capacity magazines ( 10 - 50 rounds ) that fires in either semi
> automatic or fully automatic firing modes. And yes, their sole design
> is to kill in a most efficient, military manner. 

Could you then give us an example of a firearm that kills in an INefficient
manner?  And could you please explain how "military" manners of killing
differ from non-military manners?  Big silly that I am, I always thought
that dead was dead.

Les




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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> Neo-Nazi number two returns to t.p.g...
> 
> : Could you then give us an example of a firearm that kills in an INefficient
> : manner?  And could you please explain how "military" manners of killing
> : differ from non-military manners?  Big silly that I am, I always thought
> : that dead was dead.
> 
> Les you gun-grabber,
> 
> Tell us how you want blacks, Jews, gays, gypsies, Catholics , etc, etc 
> disarmed again.

Typical liberal dodge:  refuse to answer the question, and fling out some
B.S. that, hopefully, the boobies will be distracted by.

Answer the question, Dick-sipio, or admit that you can't:  give me ONE
example of a firearm that kills in an INefficient manner.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
>>> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>  
>>> [edit]
>  
>>>>	Were causing death by infecting people people with a fatal
>>>>disease a crime there would be an rather outrageously high murder
>>>>rate among gays by gays.  Certainly these rare beatings would
>>>>pale in comparison.  If I remember correctly, the US has had some
>>>>40,000 such murders so far this year.  
>  
>>> Trolling for an argument, Mr. Giwer, or does a man with so much
>>> "life experience" and such a whiz-bang science background actually
>>> believe the old saws about AIDS being a "gay" disease, and think 
>>> that the "immoral unequivalency" somehow makes it OK for people
>>> to beat the living daylights out of men for no reason other than
>>> their sexual orientation?
> 
>>Non sequitur, Fester.  Like it or not, AIDS LARGELY affects homos. 
>>Stating the TRUTH about the population most at risk of catching this
>>disease does NOT equate with calling it a "gay" disease.  Get your head
>>out of your arse.
> 
> Herr Oberschtinckenpimpfenfuhrer, look at the title of this thread.
> The subject is not and never was intended to be AIDS.  I am posting
> from alt.revisionism.  A discussion of AIDS is not appropriate to
> this newsgroup. 

You're right, for once.  So let's take it outta there.

> AIDS has nothing to do with the current legislation before the House of
> Commons.

Oh, so the House of Commons can now determine what we're at risk from?
 
> The *populations* most at risk for catching AIDS in *North America*
> are gay men *and* intravenous drug users. 

And we're in North America.  I'm glad that you didn't bring up the totally
irrelevant pathology-of-HIV-in-Africa bit, because the simple fact is,
WE'RE NOT IN AFRICA.  What the course of HIV there is, is totally
irrelevant to North America.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4mg69t$pht@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
> 
>>It is also the book that makes so many errors throughout, that most
>>reviewers condemned it as a shoddy piece of propaganda.  Most panned it so
>>badly, that it took about two weeks for it to go to the Canadiana section
>>of the bookstores, removed from the bestseller section.
> 
>>In fact, one reporter (who is very well informed) wrote in a review that
>> he counted 19 errors in one chapter.  Pretty lousy research.
> 
> Since Mr. Lockhart maintains that his being identified as a
> Klan member is an error, one wonders why he has not asked Mr.
> Kinsella to back up his assertion where it counts - in a civil
> court. I certainly would, were I tarred with that brush.

Come, come, Kenny, now you KNOW what would happen to Mr. Lockhart were he
to try to take Mr. Kinsella to court -- he would lose, based on the fact
that he was a "Natsee", and nothing else.  Mr. Kinsella is an
"anti-Natsee", so he would win, plain and simple.  You know this, so why
are you pretending not to?

Les





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Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Well, Stewie, either you're completely serious, in which case you're the
> : biggest idiot here, or you're joking, in which case you aren't worth the
> : time wasted.
> 
> Actually this isn't true.  I'm sort of in between, if you must know.  
> Silly, but with a point. 

I would have said that you're a chicken-shit who always wants to have an
out, but hey, that's just me.

(snip)
 
> Okay, serious mode: Mapplethorpe Had Artistic Merit.  Period.  No matter 
> how much you go on about bullwhips it's still true.  If you're not going 
> to directly address this point there's no purpose in continuing.

And...?

Les




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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > This is the first time I've seen the words "government policy" in this 
> : > thread.  Which policy exactly, pray tell?  
> 
> : Well, let's see, here.  There's the government policy of forcing us to
> : have integrated education.  There's governmental forcing of people of
> : disparate races living cheek-by-jowl, to name two.
> 
> None of these policies actually have anything to do with reproduction,
> though. 

Do try not to be an ass, Stewie.  It doesn't become you (well, actually, it
does).  You know perfectly well that integrated education, integrated 
employment, and integrated living result in integrated dating and (in some
cases) integrated breeding, otherwise known as miscegenation.

> They have to do with a government treating its citizens fairly. 

... and showing that the "earn/deserve" concept is totally alien to
politicians.

(snip)

> : > Allowing them (ie, miscegenating couples), certainly, but let nature
> : > take its course, I say. 
> :  
> : "Let nature take its course".  Interesting.
> 
> : You have a garden that you've carefully tended for several seasons.  Then
> : you decide to "let nature take its course."  What happens?
> 
> What kind of analogy is that?  Who was tending the humans?  Here's 
> another: You had some red flowers in North America and some white 
> flowers in Belgium.  One night evil Belgian merchants come to your door 
> and offer to sell you some white flower seeds to use as slave labor in 
> your garden.  A few months later you start getting pink flowers.  They're 
> kind of pretty.  You feel... warm.

Pink flowers are pretty.  Mulattoes are not.

Les




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 (mntcadst@isu.edu) writes:
>> 
>> The lib(s) in the above discussion reveal that they do believe there are
>> signficant differences between the races, in the _genetic_ capability to
>> resist certain diseases, at least. For that reason, they suggest mixing
>> the races to gain maximum immunity for the most people. An answer that
>> conveniently fits their overall agenda on race.  BUT, such racial
>> uniqueness in the genetic resistance to disease totally contradicts their
>> claim that there is no overall genetic difference between the races! 
> 
> Yes, your right.  In fact there is greater variation within a "race"
> than there are between them.

Then why should we look to OTHER races for any genetic variability we
need?  We can get it in our own race!

This is a common liberal failing:  talking about the positive aspects of
other races, but denying that there ARE other races when it comes time to
talk about negatives. 

(rest of liberal bullshit snipped)

Les


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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip - Fester getting all hot n' bothered over my labelling of her as
"Politically Correct")

>>> Huh?  Who said I didn't want to discuss Ringma's answer to a hypothetical
>>> situation?  So you, Ringma and some other "non-statist" thinkers believe
>>> in the holy bottom line above all else? 
> 
>>That's the funny thing about leftist ideologues like you:  you think that
>>everyone to the left of Mao thinks alike.  Sorry, that ain't so.
> 
> That's the funny thing about white power rangers like you:  you think that
> everyone to the left of Attila the Hun thinks alike. 

That's an unfounded assumption on your part.  I don't even think you guys
KNOW how to think for yourselves.  You just parrot catchy-sounding phrases
(ie, "hate", "bigotry" and "racism")

>>> There is no right or wrong, only
>>> profit.  Yeah right.  The irony in this is that you, Ringma, et al. pretend
>>> that it has nothing to do with bigotry or racism.  You project the bigotry
>>> onto others and absolve yourselves of any responsibility.  You excell at that.
> 
>>That's ANOTHER funny thing about leftist ideologues like you:  you talk a
>>good game about principles, but you know NOTHING about hardship.
> 
> That's ANOTHER funny thing about white power rangers like you:  you think
> that everyone who isn't a racist and bigot is a communist

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.  And the proof of the Communist
turd unable to think for him/herself is in the posting.

(snip)

>>> I don't think we need to entertain any serious thoughts about Ringma's 
>>> hypothetical situation every becoming a reality for him since it is
>>> reasonable to surmise based on his record of remarks that he would never
>>> hire a "non-white" person and he would not hire someone if he knew that
>>> they were homosexual.
> 
>>Again, that prompts me to ask, "So what?"  If Ringma DID own a business,
>>it's his business, and no-one elses, who he chooses to hire.  Why are you
>>championing government telling us who we MUST work with?
> 
> Because of the human rights code, Herr Obergooberdroolingpooperfuhrer.
> It is illegal to not hire someone because you don't like their skin
> colour, their sexual orientation, their political beliefs, their
> religion.  

Then the "human" rights code is OBVIOUSLY a piece of garbage.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4msdr8$kk9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les "teensy little dick" Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> * > In article <4mot6s$f10@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> * > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * > * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
> [snip - Les covering his hypocritical attitude toward infidelity by
> calling me a "wretched old crone".]
> 
> * > I doubt it. You just got caught tripping over your teensy little dick
> * > again, and you're acting like it didn't happen. Do you live by any
> * > consistent rules, or do you just make everything up as you go along?
> * 
> * Third option:  I like fucking with your miniscule mind.
> 
> Hah! So you don't deny your physical inadequacies after all,
> schnitzel-boy!

Trying to accomplish ANYTHING against the likes of you, you crazy old bat,
is like shouting at the tide.

> You must know that any comments that you make about me
> don't affect how I feel or think one whit, so I do hope that you're
> enjoying it.

Ditto, you crazy old bat.
 
(snip - Crazy prying into my family affairs)

> * > * I said that it's probably EASY for you to "maintain" your "fidelity"
> * > * because you're too plug ugly for any guy to want.  So on that score,
> * > * Rob can rest easy.
> * > 
> * > Les, when a couple has a *good* relationship, they don't need to look
> * > elsewhere. When we married -- real wedding, real minister, real church,
> * > real marriage license [real medical licence, too] -- our wedding vows
> * > were sincere, and we have not broken them. I would not be with a man
> * > whom I did not respect or could not trust.
> * 
> * So, you respected and trusted your first husband?  Why'd you leave him,
> * then?  And was it a proper divorce?
> 
> The answers, in order to your questions, are: no; it was a lousy
> relationship; and yes. I was just a kid back then and thought that love
> meant needing and controlling another person. Trust and respect were never
> integral elements in my first marriage.

Sure, Crazy.
 
(snip)
 
> Well, I thought that you might like to know that ol' stoopid me received
> my diploma from the University of Oregon for my Master of Arts degree in
> Public Affairs in the mail today. I completed 119 credits of postgraduate
> courses with a 3.63 GPA. You want me to use my color scanner on my diploma
> and post it as a gif, cockroach-boy? 

Gee, all that education, and you're STILL a blinking idiot.  You were
ripped off.  You should see if you can get a refund.

Les




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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> hemicuda (Hemicuda@cris.com) wrote:
> 
> : The lib(s) in the above discussion reveal that they do believe there are
> : signficant differences between the races, in the _genetic_ capability to
> : resist certain diseases, at least. 
> 
> You all sure do have a lot of trouble processing the concept of an 
> "example."
> 
> : For that reason, they suggest mixing the races to gain maximum immunity 
> : for the most people. 
> 
> Actually I suggested letting the people mix if they want, and not if they 
> don't.

It's the height of hypocrisy for you to pretend that you couldn't care
less if people mix or not, while you are FOR legislation that FORCES us to
live next to them, and AGAINST any proposed legislation that woulk keep us
and them apart.

Les




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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > : Wake up and smell the coffee, Stewie:  animal breeders use eugenics ALL
> : > : THE TIME to determine WHAT, exactly, they are putting in to the next
> : > : generation of whatever, be they dogs, horses, or cattle.  Unless I was
> : > : sick the day they taught genetics at school, I understand that humans
> : > : follow EXACTLY THE SAME Mendelian laws of genetics.
> : > 
> : > And most of the things they're breeding would die quicker than Richard 
> : > Simmons if you chucked them out in the wild.  They're looking for one or 
> : > two specific traits. 
> 
> : Precisely.  Your "mix-n-match" genetics is stumped by that simple fact.
> 
> What?  I was talking about your animal breeders who know exactly what 
> they're putting in the next generation, according to you, although in 
> reality they only know this about a very narrow band of traits that are 
> usually economically important in some way.  More fat, or resistance to some 
> particular disease and whatnot.  

Exactly.  Whereas proponents of totally random miscegenation, such as you,
promote the idea of cross-breeding without ANY expectations as to results.
 You just have this vague feeling that mongrels are somehow "better".

> Being well-adapted to the wild, as a species, means free and random 
> recombination of genes.  The stronger individuals in this case should win 
> out and reproduce more.  It's the whole natural selection thing, very 
> basic.  Furthermore, unless you think of people as simple animal populations 
> you should respect their right to flonk whom they choose, consensually 
> speaking.

Unless you think of children as simple animals, you shouldn't stop them
>from  exploring their environment, even if such exploration entails
sticking his/her tongue on an electrical socket.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeremy A. Litt (jal5266@is.nyu.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:

(snip)

> : > Israel also has nuclear weapons (unlike its opponents), so any state
> : > such as Syria, if it tried to launch an invasion of Israel would soon
> : > find its capital city anihilated.
> : 
> : Yes, we can thank Johnathan "Stealing nuke secrets from the U.S. is my
> : racial obligation" Pollard for that.
> 
> Read a little history, Lester.  Pollard didn't steal nuclear secrets,
> probably because Pollard didn't deal with nukes. Pollard was convicted of
> providing US intelligence on the Arab countries to Israel.

Ah, I see.  Thus, I stand corrected on the details, but the question
remains:  WHY would Pollard have to steal ANYTHING from the U.S. to give
to Israel?  Or was it just in his (jewish) nature to betray his benefactor?

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>Those who repeat the mindless mantra of "there is no such thing as race" 
>>should consider a simple analogy.
>>The Atlantic Ocean grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of Mexico. No one 
>>can say for certain where the boundary is.
>>The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Mississippi River.
>>The Mississippi River grades imperceptibly into many smaller rivers and 
>>streams.
>>One of those streams grades imperceptibly into a toxic spill.
>>Therefore, it cannot be proven that there are such things as oceans, gulfs, 
>>rivers, streams, and toxic spills. Furthermore, we must act as though there 
>>is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a toxic spill, since to do 
>>otherwise would be to be guilty of "waterism."
> 
> Yes, this is in fact the reason why many human biologists think that the
> concept of "clines" is the most useful for understanding human variation.
> Because the groups generally lumped created by "racial categories" contain
> within them more variation than exists between them, clines, which examine
> distributions on a trait by trait basis are far more illuminating than
> artificial categories based on a couple of superficial characteristics.
> Human *populations* are identifiable, much like your lakes and rivers
> and oceans, but like water, they do in fact all grade one into another.

*sigh*

Why am I NOT surprised that Fester failed to grasp the point of the analogy?

Listen, you silly sod:  the point IS, that even though no-one can clearly
say, "This is where the Atlantic Ocean ends, and the Gulf of Mexico
begins.", it doesn't negate the fact that the Atlantic Ocean exists as a
clear entity.  

The same holds true with races:  there ARE indeed regions (or clines)
where one race grades into another, or where the population stands
somewhere between two races (Portugal being one example), but that doesn't
negate the existence of Whites, negroes or other races.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>> That's the funny thing about white power rangers like you:  you think that
>>> everyone to the left of Attila the Hun thinks alike. 
> 
>>That's an unfounded assumption on your part.  I don't even think you guys
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>KNOW how to think for yourselves.  You just parrot catchy-sounding phrases
>>(ie, "hate", "bigotry" and "racism")
> 
> See your statement above about "leftist ideologues", above.  You make your
> assumptions about me based on the information you have at hand.  I do the
> same in my assumptions about you.  In other words, Herr Unterfartenfuhrer,
> my assumptions about you are certainly no more unfounded than are yours
> about me.

Not true.  You ARE Politically Correct, sickeningly so, since you start
frothing at the mouth about something Bob Ringma said over two years ago. 
I'm not really surprised at opposition to me, but when people start
suggesting that I and Reformers have things in common, that tells me a LOT
about them.

>>> Because of the human rights code (which determines whom you must hire).
>>> It is illegal to not hire someone because you don't like their skin
>>> colour, their sexual orientation, their political beliefs, their
>>> religion.  
> 
>>Then the "human" rights code is OBVIOUSLY a piece of garbage.
> 
> Unless it protects your ideological brethren, like Zundel, Keegstra and others
> from prosecution?  Or Zundel from deportation?  Uh huh.

Actually, it's hilarious to see you liberal turds hoist on your own petard.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")

> [begin theme music from the Twilight Zone]
> 
>       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
>       Subject: SF: Racialism & Justice for All
>       Date: Thu,  9 May 1996 09:13:30 GMT
>       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> 
>       I have recently come to think a lot about the issue of 
>       separatism.  While I agree that eventually we (the White 
>       Race) will need to be apart from the other races, it seems 
>       to me a little naive right now to speak of separation, 
>       which to my mind would simply concentrate all of the White
>       People in one place, making it easier for the jews and other 
>       non-Whites to act against us.  
> 
>       While some will undoubtedly call me a paranoiac, I conclude 
>       about the likely actions of our enemies based on their past 
>       actions.  The proponents of multiracialism have shown NO 
>       HESITATION WHATSOEVER to use whatever force they deem 
>       necessary to remove those whom they perceive to be their 
>       enemies.
> 
>       Les
> 
> -----------------------
> 
>       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
>       Subject: SF: Buying Separation
>       Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:15:07 GMT
>       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> 
>       Jews are attracted to the industriousness of the Aryan.  
>       Wherever we go, the jew is sure to follow.
> 
>       Les
> 
> ------------------------

*sigh*

So you've subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list.  Your point?

Would you mind telling me when I'm supposed to be embarrassed?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May 12 09:27:46 PDT 1996
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Jeremy A. Litt (jal5266@is.nyu.edu) writes:
> : >
> Distribution: 
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Jeremy A. Litt (jal5266@is.nyu.edu) writes:
> : > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : > : Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> : 
> : (snip)
> : 
> : > : > Israel also has nuclear weapons (unlike its opponents), so any state
> : > : > such as Syria, if it tried to launch an invasion of Israel would soon
> : > : > find its capital city anihilated.
> : > : 
> : > : Yes, we can thank Johnathan "Stealing nuke secrets from the U.S. is my
> : > : racial obligation" Pollard for that.
> : > 
> : > Read a little history, Lester.  Pollard didn't steal nuclear secrets,
> : > probably because Pollard didn't deal with nukes. Pollard was convicted of
> : > providing US intelligence on the Arab countries to Israel.
> : 
> : Ah, I see.  Thus, I stand corrected on the details, but the question
> : remains:  WHY would Pollard have to steal ANYTHING from the U.S. to give
> : to Israel?  Or was it just in his (jewish) nature to betray his benefactor?
> 
> Get real, Lester.  He sold out for the same reason all the non-Jewish
> spies sell out:  he was paid a lot of money to do so.  He (wrongly) didn't
> see anything wrong with it, because he thought he was helping an ally from
> whom information was being unreasonably withheld.  He is now paying the
> price for selling his country's secrets.
> 
> There are a lot of spies, and mos of them are not Jewish.  Many of them
> sold secrets to the USSR, an enemy of the US.  yet I don't see you
> flapping your gums about there being something inherent in (Christian)
> nature to betray their benefactors.  
> 
> In other words, get a clue, Lester.  Pollard was one criminal.  There was
> nothing "Jewish" in what he did.  There was only something "wrong" with
> what he did.

I see.  So, Johnathan Pollard was just being facetious when he said it was
his "racial obligation" to back-stab the U.S. and sell their intelligence
to Israel?  You know more about his motivations than he does?

Les



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Gregory Taylor (gtaylor@msn.fullfeed.com) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>> It is illegal to not hire someone because you don't like their skin
>>> colour, their sexual orientation, their political beliefs, their
>>> religion.  
>>
>>Then the "human" rights code is OBVIOUSLY a piece of garbage.
> 
> If (as you claimed) you're concerned that receiving some wider notoriety
> on account of your views might affect your employment future, I'm 
> surprised that you'd say this, Les.

Why do you say that, Mr. Taylor?  The human rights code should be
challenged, the more the better. 

> Once your racist rock is turned over, I'd have thought that you'd appreciate
> the protection of the law. 

I appreciate your honesty in saying that you believe racist beliefs are,
or should be, illegal.  It's not often that one runs across such honesty
>from  an anti-(White) racist. 

Les



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Gregory Taylor (gtaylor@msn.fullfeed.com) writes:
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>>>> It is illegal to not hire someone because you don't like their skin
>>>>> colour, their sexual orientation, their political beliefs, their
>>>>> religion.  
>>>>Then the "human" rights code is OBVIOUSLY a piece of garbage.
>>> If (as you claimed) you're concerned that receiving some wider notoriety
>>> on account of your views might affect your employment future, I'm 
>>> surprised that you'd say this, Les.
> 
>>Why do you say that, Mr. Taylor?  The human rights code should be
>>challenged, the more the better. 
> 
> While there have been several times that I've noted others here making less
> than complementary comments on your reading comprehension, this is my first
> direct experience of it. In the spirit of charity, I'll try it again. I
> merely pointed out what I believed to be ironic: on the one hand, you wail 
> about those nasty men trying to get you fired at the moment when it appears
> you might have to actually be called to account for your views in public,
> and on the other hand you describe a piece of legislation which is intended
> to specifically *protect* persons in precisely your situation "OBVIOUSLY
> a piece of garbage" in the context of its application to a view you do not
> support.

... and then people on the 'Net wonder why I find it so frustrating to
attempt to reason with liberals...

Listen, turkey, you know damn well that the various human rights laws
offer *nothing* to people like me in the way of protection.  Keegstra's
acquital has been overturned.  Zuendel is a publicity hound with his own
agenda.  The "human" rights laws that you prattle on and on about are
designed to HAMPER people like me, to force us into cowardly capitulation
when faced with governmental sanction.  Nothing less.

> I was momentarily amazed that you would miss this rather simple observation. 

And I, you.
 
>>> Once your racist rock is turned over, I'd have thought that you'd appreciate
>>> the protection of the law. 
>>
>>I appreciate your honesty in saying that you believe racist beliefs are,
>>or should be, illegal.  It's not often that one runs across such honesty
>>from an anti-(White) racist. 
> 
> I see we have the same comprehension problem again, Les. So I'll try it
> again. The colorful image of the rock beneath which creatures who fear
> the daylight live was a bit prosaic, I'll admit. Try it *this* way: You
> seem to have voiced something which appears to me to be a certain lack of
> the courage of your convictions, frankly - you seem perfectly happy to 
> behave as you do here, but seem pretty concerned that you'd actually have
> to emerge from behind your terminal and do and say in public what you seem
> to be quite comfortable about saying within the more confined space of the
> 'net. 

CONFINED?!?  Talk with James White about the estimated 50 MILLION users
who see my stuff.  But seriously...

Yes, I AM concerned.  This is not the airing of belief that the earth is
flat.  You know damn well that there will be repercussions, serious ones,
if and when the spotlight of governmental "investigation" (castigation might
be a better word) is turned on me.  The loss of my job is the least of them.

> The last concrete form your unease took that I can recall reading
> had you telling us that Ken McVay and some shadowy cabal you imagine to
> exist and which you imagine him to be somehow connected with was out to
> get you fired from your job. 

Untrue.  I merely made mention of the FACT that loss of employment might
be a LIKELY CONSEQUENCE of Mr. McOyVay's largesse, and that many here
(including, it seems, you) would not lose any sleep over that.

> I think that it's always a good deal to be both public and vocal about one's
> beliefs;

Then you're either an ass who doesn't realize how the real world operates,
or you're malicious and would love to see my family assaulted on the street.

(snip)
 
> I don't think your beliefs (which I don't agree with, in case you've not 
> noticed) should be illegal at all - which is the reason that I support the
> kind of laws which make it illegal for an employer to deny you the right to
> work based on the beliefs you *do* profess. I do, however, remain suspicious
> that you seem so uneasy about either being more widely indentified for the
> things you say here. I also find it quite odd that the strength of your
> convictions is such that you'd avoid an opportunity to make the views you
> hold dear both clearer and more public - I'm having trouble reading your
> demurrals as anything other than a lack of courage, which seems decidedly
> un-Ubermenschy.

Taylor, I really couldn't care less if my actions make the slightest sense
to you.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : You know perfectly well that integrated education, integrated 
> : employment, and integrated living result in integrated dating and (in some
> : cases) integrated breeding, otherwise known as miscegenation.
> 
> Yeah, I mentioned that this happens in the rest of my paragraph that you 
> cut.  But that's not the _reason_ these policies were implemented, and 
> their benefits are considerable. 

And their benefits are...?

(the silence is deafening)

> If you want to preserve your own gene pool, by all means feel free.  No
> one's forcing you. 

Preserving one's gene pool is not completely a matter of free choice, as
you seem to think.  If people were PROPERLY informed of the importance of
keeping their genetic lines pure, they would behave considerably
differently than they do now.  On the other hand, if people are misled by
propagandists, and more importantly their government (which is SUPPOSED to 
protect them), they cannot be held entirely responsible for making erroneous 
choices.

> If it was as  important to me to mix my genes as it is to you to keep them
> pure, who would you be to stand in my way?

Well, I would be someone who has a clearer conception of the massive evil
that you would be perpetrating.  But I probably WOULDN'T "stand in [your]
way", as you would be taking your degenerate genetic heritage out of our
race.  In essence, you would be performing a eugenic service to the Race.

> : > They have to do with a government treating its citizens fairly. 
> 
> : ... and showing that the "earn/deserve" concept is totally alien to
> : politicians.
> 
> One shouldn't have to earn equal treatment under the law.  

But one SHOULD have to earn the PRIVILEGE of living here in the first place.

Les




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Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> In article <4msfcg$krg@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) said:

(snip)

McFly:
>>> Gee, I don't know.  Sylvie is trying to weasel out of it, and Les is
>>> saying it is all a plot to cost him his job.  I think he's just a teensy bit
>>> chicken.

Moi: 
>>Would you mind demonstrating HOW Sylvie is trying to "weasel out of it",
>>and how my stating a likely consequence (which I'm sure neither you nor
>>Kenny would lose any sleep over) is "chicken"?
> 
> Perhaps you have a little chat with Sylvie and she will tell you how she is
> trying to weasel out of it.  Perhaps you could read her posts where she
> tries to weasel out of it.  Hell, Les, you should be proud of her--she's
> standing by her man! [sic]

Typical liberal non-answer.  You know, McFly, you sound a lot like those
Time Book commercials.  You know, the one where the shill tells the guy to
"Read the book!"

> Wassamatter, Les, lost the strength of your convictions?  Afraid to come out
> from under the rock and be seen for what you are?  You racist swine are REAL
> BRAVE when you are hiding behind a computer terminal, but you sure lose your
> balls quick when you are called to state publicly what you believe.  Maybe
> that's why y'all run around in sheets so much.  

Sure, Gordo, whatever.
 
>>Gord, what's that brown ring around your mouth?
> 
> Damn peanut butter.

Really?  I was about to tell you that you'd better hope Kenny doesn't come
to a sudden stop, or else you'll be halfway out his mouth before you
realize it.

Les




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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > What?  I was talking about your animal breeders who know exactly what 
> : > they're putting in the next generation, according to you, although in 
> : > reality they only know this about a very narrow band of traits that are 
> : > usually economically important in some way.  More fat, or resistance 
> : > to some particular disease and whatnot.  
> 
> : Exactly.  Whereas proponents of totally random miscegenation, such as you,
> : promote the idea of cross-breeding without ANY expectations as to results.
> :  You just have this vague feeling that mongrels are somehow "better".
> 
> You keep sounding as if you've proved something.  Frequently, 
> genetically engineered crops get wiped out by something totally 
> unexpected. 

And WITHOUT genetically engineered crops, yields would ALWAY be too small
to feed even a fraction of the people that we can feed now.  Now, mind, I
don't think this is a particularly good idea, but because the White Race
seems to have fallen prey to the silly idea that it is somehow responsible
for the Third World, I suspect that even if we produced one-quarter of the
food that we now do, we'd still feel the insane urge to "sell" a portion
of it to the non-White races.

>... I really don't see what you're promoting. 

I can see what YOU'RE promoting, even if you're too stupid to realize it.

> : > Furthermore, unless you think of people as simple animal populations 
> : > you should respect their right to flonk whom they choose, consensually 
> : > speaking.
> 
> : Unless you think of children as simple animals, you shouldn't stop them
> : from exploring their environment, even if such exploration entails
> : sticking his/her tongue on an electrical socket.
> 
> I honestly appreciate that you're using logic and not just calling me a 
> liberal.  I almost hate to point out that this doesn't fly.  Children 
> have their parents to protect them from being dumb.  They're not mature 
> yet, these things happen.  Who would you have be my parents, when I'm 
> thinking about who to have children with?  

Someone who understands more about genetics, and the consequences of
miscegenation.

Les




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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Actually I suggested letting the people mix if they want, and not if 
> : > they don't.
> 
> : It's the height of hypocrisy for you to pretend that you couldn't care
> : less if people mix or not, while you are FOR legislation that FORCES us to
> : live next to them, and AGAINST any proposed legislation that woulk keep us
> : and them apart.
> 
> I don't see the hypicrisy in not thinking race is important enough to 
> make laws about, except to make laws that it's not important.  

I do:  you are glad that YOUR viewpoint has the backing of law, while mine
is OPPOSED by law.

> You misrepresent my position.  I'm against legislation that FORCES anyone 
> to live anywhere in particular.  

I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position at all.  You are FOR free
breeding, and if it leads to miscegenation, well, so what?  I am saying
that you are shockingly apathetic about what is bestowed on future
generations.
 
> But segregation makes people's lives suck.  I'm against people's lives 
> sucking.  EOF.

Does segregation REALLY make people's lives suck?  I think you'd be
surprised at what Southerners and Afrikaaners have to say about that.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May 12 10:39:45 PDT 1996
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (crazyoldbat@hippie.com) writes:
> In article <4mi4pk$r4q@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > Nice of you to admit that you're not just blowing brown smoke, Les.
> * 
> * Hey, guys will do that sort of thing (ie, watch pornos) when they're in
> * groups, celebrating birthdays or engagemements.  You STILL haven't
> * established what's WRONG with it, you crazy old bat.
> 
> Did I ever say that it was wrong?

Crazy, I'm disappointed.  You're going for the win by definition once
you've realized that your position is untenable.

> I believe that I've stated that whatever consenting adults do is their
> business. 

Yes, your loopy "do your own thing" attitude is well known.  Must be
pretty frustrating that anyone else's "own thing" doesn't include you, eh?

> Personally, I think that a man who is about to be married should have had
> his "one last fling" way before before he decided to make that commitment. 

That big green monster of jealousy is rearing its head, and causing you to
say stuff more stupid than you usually do.

What's an acceptable time for you, shrivelled old bat?  Should a man have
a "clear" period of three months before getting engaged?

>... That's right, you didn't marry her!

Yes I did. 

> * > BTW, if White men and White women don't act in porno movies (as you stated
> * > below), you must have witnessed some very subversive unAryan activities.
> * > Are you sure that you're still White?
> * 
> * Do try not to be an ass, Crazy.  I said "... in my YOUNGER days."  That
> * should imply to anyone with a modicum of intelligence (that's your out,
> * Crazy) that it's a PAST activity in which I no longer engage.
> 
> If there's nothing wrong with it, why are you so defensive?

I appear to be so defensive, Crazy, because I'm explaining it to you. 
That doesn't leave me a whole lot of lee-way to be subtle or sarcastic.  I
have to make my comments simple enough for you to understand.

> Maybe you're afraid that you are a moral degenerate after all, eh?

If I was, I'd be in good company, you crazy old bat.

(snip)
 
> You're still dodging the issue. Okay then, answer this: If "White" women
> don't act in porno movies, were the women that you saw non-white or just
> white trash?

Why do you care so much?  Wanna know how I'd rate you?

Les




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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

Oriole: 
>> If the truth would be known that a person has a 9X greater chance of
>> catching a VD diasease or AIDS from having sex from a black than a white,
>> this crap of interacial dating stuff would stop.  Blacks have invented at
>> least one thing this decade, the Carjacking.  The 80's thier big
>> invention was RAP MUSIC.  Remember whites could wipe out the black race
>> if we really wanted to.
> 
> You are forgetting some of the inventions of whites this century as 
> well. The concentration camp (Boer War, WWII, Bosnia etc), Jim Crow laws 
> in the American South just to name a couple... 
> Is it interracial "crap" to date a black woman that has no STD's by the 
> way??!

Yes, you moron.

You hate to be reminded of the truth, don't you?

Les



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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : You know perfectly well that integrated education, integrated 
> : employment, and integrated living result in integrated dating and (in some
> : cases) integrated breeding, otherwise known as miscegenation.
> 
> Yeah, I mentioned that this happens in the rest of my paragraph that you 
> cut.  But that's not the _reason_ these policies were implemented, and 
> their benefits are considerable. 

And their benefits are...?

(the silence is deafening)

> If you want to preserve your own gene pool, by all means feel free.  No
> one's forcing you. 

Preserving one's gene pool is not completely a matter of free choice, as
you seem to think.  If people were PROPERLY informed of the importance of
keeping their genetic lines pure, they would behave considerably
differently than they do now.  On the other hand, if people are misled by
propagandists, and more importantly their government (which is SUPPOSED to 
protect them), they cannot be held entirely responsible for making erroneous 
choices.

> If it was as  important to me to mix my genes as it is to you to keep them
> pure, who would you be to stand in my way?

Well, I would be someone who has a clearer conception of the massive evil
that you would be perpetrating.  But I probably WOULDN'T "stand in [your]
way", as you would be taking your degenerate genetic heritage out of our
race.  In essence, you would be performing a eugenic service to the Race.

> : > They have to do with a government treating its citizens fairly. 
> 
> : ... and showing that the "earn/deserve" concept is totally alien to
> : politicians.
> 
> One shouldn't have to earn equal treatment under the law.  

But one SHOULD have to earn the PRIVILEGE of living here in the first place.

Les




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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > 
> : > What?  I was talking about your animal breeders who know exactly what 
> : > they're putting in the next generation, according to you, although in 
> : > reality they only know this about a very narrow band of traits that are 
> : > usually economically important in some way.  More fat, or resistance 
> : > to some particular disease and whatnot.  
> 
> : Exactly.  Whereas proponents of totally random miscegenation, such as you,
> : promote the idea of cross-breeding without ANY expectations as to results.
> :  You just have this vague feeling that mongrels are somehow "better".
> 
> You keep sounding as if you've proved something.  Frequently, 
> genetically engineered crops get wiped out by something totally 
> unexpected. 

And WITHOUT genetically engineered crops, yields would ALWAY be too small
to feed even a fraction of the people that we can feed now.  Now, mind, I
don't think this is a particularly good idea, but because the White Race
seems to have fallen prey to the silly idea that it is somehow responsible
for the Third World, I suspect that even if we produced one-quarter of the
food that we now do, we'd still feel the insane urge to "sell" a portion
of it to the non-White races.

>... I really don't see what you're promoting. 

I can see what YOU'RE promoting, even if you're too stupid to realize it.

> : > Furthermore, unless you think of people as simple animal populations 
> : > you should respect their right to flonk whom they choose, consensually 
> : > speaking.
> 
> : Unless you think of children as simple animals, you shouldn't stop them
> : from exploring their environment, even if such exploration entails
> : sticking his/her tongue on an electrical socket.
> 
> I honestly appreciate that you're using logic and not just calling me a 
> liberal.  I almost hate to point out that this doesn't fly.  Children 
> have their parents to protect them from being dumb.  They're not mature 
> yet, these things happen.  Who would you have be my parents, when I'm 
> thinking about who to have children with?  

Someone who understands more about genetics, and the consequences of
miscegenation.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May 12 11:04:30 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.howard-stern,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Actually I suggested letting the people mix if they want, and not if 
> : > they don't.
> 
> : It's the height of hypocrisy for you to pretend that you couldn't care
> : less if people mix or not, while you are FOR legislation that FORCES us to
> : live next to them, and AGAINST any proposed legislation that woulk keep us
> : and them apart.
> 
> I don't see the hypicrisy in not thinking race is important enough to 
> make laws about, except to make laws that it's not important.  

I do:  you are glad that YOUR viewpoint has the backing of law, while mine
is OPPOSED by law.

> You misrepresent my position.  I'm against legislation that FORCES anyone 
> to live anywhere in particular.  

I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position at all.  You are FOR free
breeding, and if it leads to miscegenation, well, so what?  I am saying
that you are shockingly apathetic about what is bestowed on future
generations.
 
> But segregation makes people's lives suck.  I'm against people's lives 
> sucking.  EOF.

Does segregation REALLY make people's lives suck?  I think you'd be
surprised at what Southerners and Afrikaaners have to say about that.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May 12 19:56:12 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: LIBERIA: (key words) Nigger, Chop, Savage, Future
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> 
>> In article ,
>> holman@katk.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:

(snip - about the savagery in Liberia.)

>> > While in no way wanting to voice any approval or denial of the mayhem
>> > going on in Liberia, I'd just like to remind you of lieutenant Calley, the
>> > American soldiers photographed in Viet Nam with the scalps and other
>> > organs of slaughtered Viet Kong soldiers hangng on their belts, the ritual
>> > sexual mutilation of blacks that was so much a part of a down-home style
>> > lynching in the southern part of the United States until the middle of the
>> > present century, not to mention the mass rapes and mutilations carried on
>> > by the Serbians which are currently being examined by a tribune in the
>> > Hague, to remind you that no race or nation has a monopoly on these
>> > atrocities.

>> Yes mr. holman
>> 
>> but if you gather up all the numbers about the time and places you mention
>> it still doesn't add up to whats happened in liberia in the last week
>> never mind the mayhem thats gone on there in the last 3 years!
>> There is no savagery that can compare to what goes on in africa!
> 
> About 300 people have been killed in Liberia the last couple of weeks - 
> Vietnam doesn't add up to that?!!

In Vietnam, about 55,000 Americans were killed in over TEN YEARS.

The point is, butt-head, that what Calley perpetrated at My Lai was an
ABERRATION, whereas the situation in Liberia is par for the course when
negroes are left to conduct politics on their own.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 13 06:28:36 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4n4gsr$4sg@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - Crazy clipped n' pasted some messages that I posted on Stormfront,
obviously thinking that she had pulled off some major _coup_)

> * *sigh*
> * 
> * So you've subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list.  Your point?
> 
> You're just as whacky when you're preaching to the choir, Les. Anyone who
> disagrees with you is accused of being a JOO or having a Black paramour.

Which you would DEARLY love to be a part of, but no-one gives a crazy old
bat like you a second thought.  Drives you crazy, eh Crazy?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 13 06:28:38 PDT 1996
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Craig Lambert (clambert@cris.com) writes:
> On 12 May 1996 10:58:37 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:
> 
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
>>> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> [edit]
>>> 
>>>>Those who repeat the mindless mantra of "there is no such thing as race" 
>>>>should consider a simple analogy.
>>>>The Atlantic Ocean grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of Mexico. No one 
>>>>can say for certain where the boundary is.
>>>>The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Mississippi River.
>>>>The Mississippi River grades imperceptibly into many smaller rivers and 
>>>>streams.
>>>>One of those streams grades imperceptibly into a toxic spill.
>>>>Therefore, it cannot be proven that there are such things as oceans, gulfs, 
>>>>rivers, streams, and toxic spills. Furthermore, we must act as though there 
>>>>is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a toxic spill, since to do 
>>>>otherwise would be to be guilty of "waterism."
>>> 
>>> Yes, this is in fact the reason why many human biologists think that the
>>> concept of "clines" is the most useful for understanding human variation.
>>> Because the groups generally lumped created by "racial categories" contain
>>> within them more variation than exists between them, clines, which examine
>>> distributions on a trait by trait basis are far more illuminating than
>>> artificial categories based on a couple of superficial characteristics.
>>> Human *populations* are identifiable, much like your lakes and rivers
>>> and oceans, but like water, they do in fact all grade one into another.
>>
>>*sigh*
>>
>>Why am I NOT surprised that Fester failed to grasp the point of the analogy?
>>
>>Listen, you silly sod:  the point IS, that even though no-one can clearly
>>say, "This is where the Atlantic Ocean ends, and the Gulf of Mexico
>>begins.", it doesn't negate the fact that the Atlantic Ocean exists as a
>>clear entity.  
>>
>>The same holds true with races:  there ARE indeed regions (or clines)
>>where one race grades into another, or where the population stands
>>somewhere between two races (Portugal being one example), but that doesn't
>>negate the existence of Whites, negroes or other races.
> 
> And my, my, won't there be problems determining who is what and which
> goes where? 

In some cases.  The existence of some nebulous borders does NOT mean that
well-defined core groups exist.

> So the question is, given that you come to power, which
> specific criteria are you going to use to rip apart families and
> communities and affiliation groups and the Armed Services and cities
> and states and so on, and plunge this nation into civil war? 

Funny, you seem to think that the not-so-slow slide into anarchy that we
are currently experiencing is somehow preferable to "civil war".

(snip)

> Screw all this'"gradient' crap. Or are you just practicing up on the
> usual political doublespeak and mealy mouthed mush?

Funny that you should accuse ME of doublespeak and "mealy mouthed mush". 
I thought that I spoke plainly enough that even a typical liberal could
understand me with little or no misunderstanding.  Looks like I've
seriously overestimated the intellectual facilities of liberals.

> "I envy paranoids; they actually feel people are paying attention to them."
> Susan Sontag

Is this the same Susan Sontag that declared the White race to be the
cancer of society?

Les




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Howard Eisenberger (hce@magmacom.com) writes:
> In article <4n4vr0$8u3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> #... and then people on the 'Net wonder why I find it so frustrating
> #to attempt to reason with liberals...
> 
> All true believers must find it frustrating that their dogma is not
> accepted by non-believers. Your predictable use of the term "liberals"
> is in itself an article of faith.

Eh?  How you figure?  It's just more diplomatic than "ignorant asshole",
for which it is a synonym.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 13 07:04:59 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Yeah, I mentioned that this happens in the rest of my paragraph that you 
> : > cut.  But that's not the _reason_ these policies were implemented, and 
> : > their benefits are considerable. 
> 
> : And their benefits are...?
> 
> : (the silence is deafening)
> 
> Unless you're, oh, I don't know, black.  But you've pretty well  
> established that you don't give a fig about them either way so it's more or 
> less a moot point.

Okay, let's for the sake of argument assume that I want benefits for BOTH
the White and the negro race, equally.  So, according to you, there ARE
benefits for the negroes (presumably, they get to rub elbows with us). 
So, WHAT benefits accrue to the White race?  Stewie?  I'm waiting...
 
> : > If you want to preserve your own gene pool, by all means feel free.  No
> : > one's forcing you. 
> 
> : Preserving one's gene pool is not completely a matter of free choice, as
> : you seem to think.  If people were PROPERLY informed of the importance of
> : keeping their genetic lines pure, they would behave considerably
> : differently than they do now.  
> 
> Well, go on and inform them.  See what they say.  Educated ones first.  No 
> one's stopping you.  

Well, people who are properly informed about genetics would not even
entertain the idea of interracial dating (or worse still, mating) for
even a second.  It's like trying to explain WHY infanticide is wrong - do
I really need to?  Well, maybe to a psychopath, but to any individual
half-way normal...

> : > If it was as  important to me to mix my genes as it is to you to 
> : > keep them pure, who would you be to stand in my way?
> 
> : Well, I would be someone who has a clearer conception of the massive evil
> : that you would be perpetrating.  But I probably WOULDN'T "stand in [your]
> : way", as you would be taking your degenerate genetic heritage out of our
> : race.  In essence, you would be performing a eugenic service to the Race.
> 
> Oh dear.  Degenerate genetic heritages again.  So, uh, which part?  I've 
> got some seriously obsessive genealogists in my family and there don't 
> seem to be any minorities that would displease you in the line even 
> though we've traced it back so far we found Charlemagne in there.  I'm 
> blond, blue eyes, I can do multi-variable calculus and ride a bicycle 
> without hitting things.  I don't have any gay or insane relatives.*  My 
> mom votes Republican.  And I've got a bigger web page than all of you 
> combined.  What's your beef with my genes?

It was a hypothetical situation, Stewie.  The pronoun "you" was used in
the speculative sense.

> * not that I have a problem with this - this is the Les perspective.
 
> : > One shouldn't have to earn equal treatment under the law.  
> 
> : But one SHOULD have to earn the PRIVILEGE of living here in the first place.
> 
> So you're saying people shouldn't be shipped across the Atlantic like so 
> much creamery butter and spread upon the shores of a new continent to 
> pick cotton until they pretty much die?  Hey, you're coming around.

Hey, bringing the negroes here was a big, big mistake, and I'd like to see
them sent back, with a good monetary settlement.  But past wrongs DON'T
give them the right to try and destroy our society.  And while we're
talking about the past, when are THEY going to repay US for giving them
literacy, medicine, mathematics, and the opportunity to live in a
civilization that they NEVER could have built on their own?

Les





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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>> AIDS has nothing to do with the current legislation before the House of
>>> Commons.
> 
>>Oh, so the House of Commons can now determine what we're at risk from?
> 
> I really have no idea what you mean.  Are you suggesting that affirming
> that discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is contrary to 
> the Charter of Human Rights will put Canadians at greater risk of AIDS 
> infection?  Surely even you don't believe you can catch it from a
> toilet seat, Mr. Griswold.

Maybe, maybe not.  The simple fact is, we don't understand much of the
vectors that the HIV can use to enter the human body, and I'm not about to
let myself be railroaded into sacrificing my life for the "We Are The
World" lovey-dovey B.S. preached by leftists.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Wotan1Eye (wotan1eye@aol.com) writes:
>>From: nobody@flame.alias.net (Anonymous)
>>Date: 7 May 1996 19:46:29 GMT
>>Message-ID: <4mo9al$gre@news.xs4all.nl>
>>
>>
>>anti-semites are jealous of jews' success. that is why they
>>hate jews so much. 
>>
>>most anti-semites are just trailer-park white trash losers.
>>
> 
> What "Anonymous" is unaware of are the roles which many Jews have played
> throughout history to have earned the Jewish group as a whole a bad name.
> Now, whether all Jews are bankers, financiers, "money grubbers" and so on,
> or whether Jews as a whole have these tendencies is up for debate. But
> usually if a group is hated as much as the Jews have been hated throughout
> history, it's for legitimate reasons. Comments?

I agree.  Throughout history, jews have always, sooner or later, earned
the dislike of the nation(s) in which they live.  The Persians, the
Romans, the English, the French, the Russians, the Germans... the list
just goes on and on.  The one constant, though, is the jews themselves.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 13 07:05:04 PDT 1996
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip)

> : but because the White Race seems to have fallen prey to the silly idea 
> : that it is somehow responsible for the Third World, I suspect that even 
> : if we produced one-quarter of the food that we now do, we'd still feel 
> : the insane urge to "sell" a portion of it to the non-White races.
> 
> Like Russia.

Stewie, you're being an ass again.  The situation in Russia is abnormal,
in that it was brought about by the overthrow of Communism.  The situation
in the Third World, by contrast, is one of CONSTANT civil warfare,
starvation, drought, and just general emergency, one after another.

> : >... I really don't see what you're promoting.
   
> : I can see what YOU'RE promoting, even if you're too stupid to realize it.
 
> But you don't seem to want to tell me what your suggestions are for improving
> the situation as it stands.  A nice itemized list would be very cool.

Nosy parker.  But seriously...

Just because I perceive that there is a problem, doesn't mean that I know
EVERYTHING that must be done to solve it.  I DO, however, know that the
first step is simple:  seperate, or die.

Les




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Susan Marie Groppi (groppi@hcs.HARVARD.EDU) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > I don't see the hypicrisy in not thinking race is important enough to 
> : > make laws about, except to make laws that it's not important.  
> 
> : I do:  you are glad that YOUR viewpoint has the backing of law, while mine
> : is OPPOSED by law.
> 
> Les, you're being a big stupid fuck again.  Not that I find this
> surprising, mind, but it gets irritating.

Susie!  You're back!  Changed the ole signature, I see, but you're still
back!
 
> Neither of your stupid viewpoints has the backing of the law.  At this
> point, there are NO LAWS about breeding, okay?  You're allowed to have
> babies with ANYONE. 

Whic is tantamount to government sanction for miscegenation.  Don't be a
stupid fuck (geez, where have I heard that recently?), you KNOW that this
happens.  If there was no integration, miscegenation would occur less
frequently.  If there was total geographical separation of the races,
miscegenation would hardly ever occur.

> Stewart's position is that people like you are stupid when you say that
> mixed-race baby-making is a bad thing. 

And Stewart's position is an OPINION, not supported by any facts.

> Don't even try to tell me that anti-discrimination and anti-segregation
> laws have a damn thing to do with having kids, because they just plain
> don't.  Okay?  They don't. 

And your assertion makes it so, does it?

Les

>                 Susan Marie Groppi | "I need what I need, and I 
>             groppi@hcs.harvard.edu |  want what I want, and I love whom 
>     http://hcs.harvard.edu/~groppi |  I love.  That's all."    --Nick Lopez

Interestin sig.  It would appear that Nick Lopez is another who cares not
at all what sort of legacy he bequeaths to the future.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 13 07:13:24 PDT 1996
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Subject: The Tal-mud (was: Defending the White race from the depredations of jews)
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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Jeremy Medows (jrm1535@is.nyu.edu) writes:
>> The only Jews who haven't read the Talmud are the reformed
>> 
>> (deformed?_
>> Jews.
> 
> Ummm...wrong again.  I'm a follower of the Conservative movement of
> Judaism and though I've certainly studied *portions* of the Talmud during
> my schooling, I just as certainly have not read the entire thing.  
> 
> It's just not common outside the clergy except, of course, for those who
> have dedicated *huge* portions of their time to studying the scriptures,
> as Talmudic study is not something to be taken lightly.

Yes, quibbling over points in the Tal-mud is something that eats up
horrendous amounts of time.

>> I've read it.
> 
> I doubt it.  

That's probably true.  Isn't there an injunction in the Tal-mud to kill
any Gentile who studies it, and any jew who helps him to do so?
 
Les




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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> Jeremy Medows (jrm1535@is.nyu.edu) writes:
> 
>>>> The only Jews who haven't read the Talmud are the reformed
>>>> Jews.
>>> 
>>> Ummm...wrong again.  I'm a follower of the Conservative movement of
>>> Judaism and though I've certainly studied *portions* of the Talmud during
>>> my schooling, I just as certainly have not read the entire thing.  
>>> 
>>> It's just not common outside the clergy except, of course, for those who
>>> have dedicated *huge* portions of their time to studying the scriptures,
>>> as Talmudic study is not something to be taken lightly.
>> 
>>>> I've read it.
>>> 
>>> I doubt it.  
>> 
>> That's probably true.  Isn't there an injunction in the Tal-mud to kill
>> any Gentile who studies it, and any jew who helps him to do so?
> 
> I wouldn't know, Lester, as I wouldn't presume to accord myself the title
> of Talmudic scholar without far more study time under my belt.

Not like we'd expect you, ANY of you, to make such an admission.
 
> I'll take your word for it, though, as I'm sure that my 11 years of
> Hebrew Day school, and further 4 of intensive study with some of the most
> respected biblical and Talmudic scholars in this city (gee, is that *15*
> years right there?) couldn't possibly place me anywhere near your own
> qualifications (having flipped through a translation once or twice?) to
> hold forth on the contents and interpretation of the Talmud.  Right?

Ah, geez, here we go again.  You know, you and Crazy Jeannie should get
together - you both like bragging about your lives' accomplishments.
 
Les




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Saw this over on alt.tasteless.jokes...

> You may be a Liberal if...... 
>  
> --They propose to build low-income housing in your neighborhood and you
> oppose it for [wink, wink, nudge, nudge] "environmental" reasons. 
> --You refer to a spending increase of 8% rather than the customary annual
> 10% spending increase as a "spending cut" 
> --You are grateful to the IRS when you receive your tax "refund" 
> --Your number one answer to society's ills is "education." 
> --You think immigrants don't take away a single job from nonimmigrants
> because, gee, you've never had a Mexican co-worker in your Greenwich,
> Connecticut realty company. 
> --The harshest thing you can say about Stalin and Mao's killing of millions
> is that it was a "failed experiment". 
> --You use the words "Ethnocentrism" or "jingoistic" on a fairly regular
> basis. 
> --You get livid whenever you hear the words "Cost-benefit analysis" and
> "Environmental regulations" in the same sentence. 
> --You are in favor of affirmative action until you get fired so they can
> hire a minority, but you sue for sex discrimination because they fired you
> instead of a white male co-worker who had been working there one longer
> than you on the basis of the fact that you would have gotten the job
> earlier than he but for your pregnancy at the time. 
> --When encountering an object of displeasure, your primal instinct is to
> tax it, blame Ronald Reagan for its origination, and/or label it
> homophobic, racist, sexist and anti-Semitic. 
> --You have tremendous faith in the federal government's handling of money
> but you never give the IRS one nickel more than you owe, the amount of
> which thankfully is a lot less than it could have been due to the
> "artfulness" of your white male CPA (who by the way works at an accounting
> firm with only one black worker who, incidentally, is not in any high-level
> position). 
> --You would object to passing out condoms in high schools, but only if the
> condoms had the Ten Commandments printed on the packaging. 
> --You oppose "Heather and Her Two Mommies" being taught to kindergarteners
> on basis that it might stigmatize as "not normal" those youngsters who have
> three mommies, a goat and Sam Shepard's corpse raising them at home. 

Les




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Here's another one.  Geez, get the impression that these guys haven't got
much use for liberals?

> You believe that meaning to do the right thing is more important than 
> doing the right thing.
> 
> You drive a BMW to Sierra Club meetings to protest economic development 
> in the third world. 
> 
> You think the proper role of the Armed Forces is to do social work in 
> those parts of the world where the Peace Corps is not available.
> 
> You condemn people who wear fur and support those who perform abortions. 
> 
> When you say a problem is “society’s fault” you do not include yourself 
> in society.
> 
> You think that people who call themselves “Progressives”  are. 
> 
> You oppose school vouchers for those poorer than yourself while sending 
> your kids to private school..
> 
> You have enough compassion for the poor to raise the minimum wage to $5 
> and hour -- but not to $10 an hour, which would keep *your* kids getting 
> a job this summer. 
> 
> You think it’s important to tell kids not to smoke, drink or do drugs -- 
> but can’t imagine telling them not to have sex.
> 
> You are sensitive enough to say someone’s thinking is  “flawed” rather 
> than “wrong”.
> 
> You think government bureaucrats have an extra chromosome that makes 
> them more trustworthy and less selfish than anyone else. 
> 
> --
> Objoke for Liberals who do not find humor in the above:
> 
> What do you get when you cross a two-faced politician with a lying 
> lawyer?
> Chelsea Clinton!

Les




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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >
> > [edit]
> >
> >>Those who repeat the mindless mantra of "there is no such thing as race"
> >>should consider a simple analogy.
> >>The Atlantic Ocean grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of Mexico. No one
> >>can say for certain where the boundary is.
> >>The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Mississippi River.
> >>The Mississippi River grades imperceptibly into many smaller rivers and
> >>streams.
> >>One of those streams grades imperceptibly into a toxic spill.
> >>Therefore, it cannot be proven that there are such things as oceans, gulfs,
> >>rivers, streams, and toxic spills. Furthermore, we must act as though there
> >>is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a toxic spill, since to do
> >>otherwise would be to be guilty of "waterism."
> >
> > Yes, this is in fact the reason why many human biologists think that the
> > concept of "clines" is the most useful for understanding human variation.
> > Because the groups generally lumped created by "racial categories" contain
> > within them more variation than exists between them, clines, which examine
> > distributions on a trait by trait basis are far more illuminating than
> > artificial categories based on a couple of superficial characteristics.
> > Human *populations* are identifiable, much like your lakes and rivers
> > and oceans, but like water, they do in fact all grade one into another.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Why am I NOT surprised that Fester failed to grasp the point of the analogy?
> 
> Listen, you silly sod:  the point IS, that even though no-one can clearly
> say, "This is where the Atlantic Ocean ends, and the Gulf of Mexico
> begins.", it doesn't negate the fact that the Atlantic Ocean exists as a
> clear entity.

Many marine biologists argue that all waters on earth are part of one 
whole marine eco-system however and that they are no different. Now, 
before you go crazy Les, I do not know, or care, if this is true or not. 
I too believe there are racial differences among peoples on earth. I do 
not, however, believe we can assign values of superiority or inferiority 
to these races.

eB


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
> (cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> > [begin theme music from the Twilight Zone]
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Racialism & Justice for All
> >       Date: Thu,  9 May 1996 09:13:30 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       I have recently come to think a lot about the issue of
> >       separatism.  While I agree that eventually we (the White
> >       Race) will need to be apart from the other races, it seems
> >       to me a little naive right now to speak of separation,
> >       which to my mind would simply concentrate all of the White
> >       People in one place, making it easier for the jews and other
> >       non-Whites to act against us.
> >
> >       While some will undoubtedly call me a paranoiac, I conclude
> >       about the likely actions of our enemies based on their past
> >       actions.  The proponents of multiracialism have shown NO
> >       HESITATION WHATSOEVER to use whatever force they deem
> >       necessary to remove those whom they perceive to be their
> >       enemies.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Buying Separation
> >       Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:15:07 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       Jews are attracted to the industriousness of the Aryan.
> >       Wherever we go, the jew is sure to follow.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > ------------------------
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> So you've subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list.  Your point?
> 
> Would you mind telling me when I'm supposed to be embarrassed?
> 
> Les


You two certainly come up wit some fun and entertaining headers for this 
thread!!

eB


From stefan@scott.net Mon May 13 13:07:38 PDT 1996
Article: 28540 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: evil Beavis 
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Subject: Re: Water, water everywhere! (was: Negroes aren't primitive?)
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >
> > [edit]
> >
> >>Those who repeat the mindless mantra of "there is no such thing as race"
> >>should consider a simple analogy.
> >>The Atlantic Ocean grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of Mexico. No one
> >>can say for certain where the boundary is.
> >>The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Mississippi River.
> >>The Mississippi River grades imperceptibly into many smaller rivers and
> >>streams.
> >>One of those streams grades imperceptibly into a toxic spill.
> >>Therefore, it cannot be proven that there are such things as oceans, gulfs,
> >>rivers, streams, and toxic spills. Furthermore, we must act as though there
> >>is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a toxic spill, since to do
> >>otherwise would be to be guilty of "waterism."
> >
> > Yes, this is in fact the reason why many human biologists think that the
> > concept of "clines" is the most useful for understanding human variation.
> > Because the groups generally lumped created by "racial categories" contain
> > within them more variation than exists between them, clines, which examine
> > distributions on a trait by trait basis are far more illuminating than
> > artificial categories based on a couple of superficial characteristics.
> > Human *populations* are identifiable, much like your lakes and rivers
> > and oceans, but like water, they do in fact all grade one into another.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Why am I NOT surprised that Fester failed to grasp the point of the analogy?
> 
> Listen, you silly sod:  the point IS, that even though no-one can clearly
> say, "This is where the Atlantic Ocean ends, and the Gulf of Mexico
> begins.", it doesn't negate the fact that the Atlantic Ocean exists as a
> clear entity.

Many marine biologists argue that all waters on earth are part of one 
whole marine eco-system however and that they are no different. Now, 
before you go crazy Les, I do not know, or care, if this is true or not. 
I too believe there are racial differences among peoples on earth. I do 
not, however, believe we can assign values of superiority or inferiority 
to these races.

eB


From stefan@scott.net Mon May 13 13:07:41 PDT 1996
Article: 28545 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: evil Beavis 
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Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie thinks she's Mata Hari! (was: Psycho Les Speaks!)
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
> (cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> > [begin theme music from the Twilight Zone]
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Racialism & Justice for All
> >       Date: Thu,  9 May 1996 09:13:30 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       I have recently come to think a lot about the issue of
> >       separatism.  While I agree that eventually we (the White
> >       Race) will need to be apart from the other races, it seems
> >       to me a little naive right now to speak of separation,
> >       which to my mind would simply concentrate all of the White
> >       People in one place, making it easier for the jews and other
> >       non-Whites to act against us.
> >
> >       While some will undoubtedly call me a paranoiac, I conclude
> >       about the likely actions of our enemies based on their past
> >       actions.  The proponents of multiracialism have shown NO
> >       HESITATION WHATSOEVER to use whatever force they deem
> >       necessary to remove those whom they perceive to be their
> >       enemies.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Buying Separation
> >       Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:15:07 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       Jews are attracted to the industriousness of the Aryan.
> >       Wherever we go, the jew is sure to follow.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > ------------------------
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> So you've subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list.  Your point?
> 
> Would you mind telling me when I'm supposed to be embarrassed?
> 
> Les


You two certainly come up wit some fun and entertaining headers for this 
thread!!

eB


From stefan@scott.net Mon May 13 13:14:43 PDT 1996
Article: 22959 of alt.skinheads
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From: evil Beavis 
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >
> > [edit]
> >
> >>Those who repeat the mindless mantra of "there is no such thing as race"
> >>should consider a simple analogy.
> >>The Atlantic Ocean grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of Mexico. No one
> >>can say for certain where the boundary is.
> >>The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Mississippi River.
> >>The Mississippi River grades imperceptibly into many smaller rivers and
> >>streams.
> >>One of those streams grades imperceptibly into a toxic spill.
> >>Therefore, it cannot be proven that there are such things as oceans, gulfs,
> >>rivers, streams, and toxic spills. Furthermore, we must act as though there
> >>is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a toxic spill, since to do
> >>otherwise would be to be guilty of "waterism."
> >
> > Yes, this is in fact the reason why many human biologists think that the
> > concept of "clines" is the most useful for understanding human variation.
> > Because the groups generally lumped created by "racial categories" contain
> > within them more variation than exists between them, clines, which examine
> > distributions on a trait by trait basis are far more illuminating than
> > artificial categories based on a couple of superficial characteristics.
> > Human *populations* are identifiable, much like your lakes and rivers
> > and oceans, but like water, they do in fact all grade one into another.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Why am I NOT surprised that Fester failed to grasp the point of the analogy?
> 
> Listen, you silly sod:  the point IS, that even though no-one can clearly
> say, "This is where the Atlantic Ocean ends, and the Gulf of Mexico
> begins.", it doesn't negate the fact that the Atlantic Ocean exists as a
> clear entity.

Many marine biologists argue that all waters on earth are part of one 
whole marine eco-system however and that they are no different. Now, 
before you go crazy Les, I do not know, or care, if this is true or not. 
I too believe there are racial differences among peoples on earth. I do 
not, however, believe we can assign values of superiority or inferiority 
to these races.

eB


From stefan@scott.net Mon May 13 13:14:47 PDT 1996
Article: 22962 of alt.skinheads
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
> (cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> > [begin theme music from the Twilight Zone]
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Racialism & Justice for All
> >       Date: Thu,  9 May 1996 09:13:30 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       I have recently come to think a lot about the issue of
> >       separatism.  While I agree that eventually we (the White
> >       Race) will need to be apart from the other races, it seems
> >       to me a little naive right now to speak of separation,
> >       which to my mind would simply concentrate all of the White
> >       People in one place, making it easier for the jews and other
> >       non-Whites to act against us.
> >
> >       While some will undoubtedly call me a paranoiac, I conclude
> >       about the likely actions of our enemies based on their past
> >       actions.  The proponents of multiracialism have shown NO
> >       HESITATION WHATSOEVER to use whatever force they deem
> >       necessary to remove those whom they perceive to be their
> >       enemies.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Buying Separation
> >       Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:15:07 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       Jews are attracted to the industriousness of the Aryan.
> >       Wherever we go, the jew is sure to follow.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > ------------------------
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> So you've subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list.  Your point?
> 
> Would you mind telling me when I'm supposed to be embarrassed?
> 
> Les


You two certainly come up wit some fun and entertaining headers for this 
thread!!

eB


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
> (cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> > [begin theme music from the Twilight Zone]
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Racialism & Justice for All
> >       Date: Thu,  9 May 1996 09:13:30 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       I have recently come to think a lot about the issue of
> >       separatism.  While I agree that eventually we (the White
> >       Race) will need to be apart from the other races, it seems
> >       to me a little naive right now to speak of separation,
> >       which to my mind would simply concentrate all of the White
> >       People in one place, making it easier for the jews and other
> >       non-Whites to act against us.
> >
> >       While some will undoubtedly call me a paranoiac, I conclude
> >       about the likely actions of our enemies based on their past
> >       actions.  The proponents of multiracialism have shown NO
> >       HESITATION WHATSOEVER to use whatever force they deem
> >       necessary to remove those whom they perceive to be their
> >       enemies.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Buying Separation
> >       Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:15:07 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       Jews are attracted to the industriousness of the Aryan.
> >       Wherever we go, the jew is sure to follow.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > ------------------------
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> So you've subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list.  Your point?
> 
> Would you mind telling me when I'm supposed to be embarrassed?
> 
> Les


You two certainly come up wit some fun and entertaining headers for this 
thread!!

eB


From stefan@scott.net Mon May 13 13:56:34 PDT 1996
Article: 36686 of alt.revisionism
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From: evil Beavis 
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> > Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >
> > [edit]
> >
> >>Those who repeat the mindless mantra of "there is no such thing as race"
> >>should consider a simple analogy.
> >>The Atlantic Ocean grades imperceptibly into the Gulf of Mexico. No one
> >>can say for certain where the boundary is.
> >>The Gulf of Mexico grades imperceptibly into the Mississippi River.
> >>The Mississippi River grades imperceptibly into many smaller rivers and
> >>streams.
> >>One of those streams grades imperceptibly into a toxic spill.
> >>Therefore, it cannot be proven that there are such things as oceans, gulfs,
> >>rivers, streams, and toxic spills. Furthermore, we must act as though there
> >>is no difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a toxic spill, since to do
> >>otherwise would be to be guilty of "waterism."
> >
> > Yes, this is in fact the reason why many human biologists think that the
> > concept of "clines" is the most useful for understanding human variation.
> > Because the groups generally lumped created by "racial categories" contain
> > within them more variation than exists between them, clines, which examine
> > distributions on a trait by trait basis are far more illuminating than
> > artificial categories based on a couple of superficial characteristics.
> > Human *populations* are identifiable, much like your lakes and rivers
> > and oceans, but like water, they do in fact all grade one into another.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Why am I NOT surprised that Fester failed to grasp the point of the analogy?
> 
> Listen, you silly sod:  the point IS, that even though no-one can clearly
> say, "This is where the Atlantic Ocean ends, and the Gulf of Mexico
> begins.", it doesn't negate the fact that the Atlantic Ocean exists as a
> clear entity.

Many marine biologists argue that all waters on earth are part of one 
whole marine eco-system however and that they are no different. Now, 
before you go crazy Les, I do not know, or care, if this is true or not. 
I too believe there are racial differences among peoples on earth. I do 
not, however, believe we can assign values of superiority or inferiority 
to these races.

eB


From stefan@scott.net Mon May 13 13:56:35 PDT 1996
Article: 36690 of alt.revisionism
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
> (cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> > [begin theme music from the Twilight Zone]
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Racialism & Justice for All
> >       Date: Thu,  9 May 1996 09:13:30 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       I have recently come to think a lot about the issue of
> >       separatism.  While I agree that eventually we (the White
> >       Race) will need to be apart from the other races, it seems
> >       to me a little naive right now to speak of separation,
> >       which to my mind would simply concentrate all of the White
> >       People in one place, making it easier for the jews and other
> >       non-Whites to act against us.
> >
> >       While some will undoubtedly call me a paranoiac, I conclude
> >       about the likely actions of our enemies based on their past
> >       actions.  The proponents of multiracialism have shown NO
> >       HESITATION WHATSOEVER to use whatever force they deem
> >       necessary to remove those whom they perceive to be their
> >       enemies.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> >       From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca)
> >       Subject: SF: Buying Separation
> >       Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:15:07 GMT
> >       Organization: Stormfront BBS: 407-833-4986
> >
> >       Jews are attracted to the industriousness of the Aryan.
> >       Wherever we go, the jew is sure to follow.
> >
> >       Les
> >
> > ------------------------
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> So you've subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list.  Your point?
> 
> Would you mind telling me when I'm supposed to be embarrassed?
> 
> Les


You two certainly come up wit some fun and entertaining headers for this 
thread!!

eB


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 13 22:03:44 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> In article <4n6uo4$pd4@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>> And my, my, won't there be problems determining who is what and which
>>> goes where? 
>>
>>In some cases.  The existence of some nebulous borders does NOT mean that
>>well-defined core groups exist.
> 
> 	I think the problem we all see here is this: how are you going to 
> determine just who belongs to which "core group?"  Sure, it's easy to 
> look at a blue-eyed blonde and say "that person is White" or to look at a 
> dark-skinned African American and say "that person is Black."  But what 
> about the (numerous) cases where it's not so simple?
> 
> 	In a "White Separatist" government, what would people of southern 
> Italian ancestry (most of whom have some African blood) be classed as -- 
> "White" or "Black?"  And what about light-skinned Blacks? (My fiancee is 
> a light-skinned African-American who's often mistaken for Filipino or 
> Hispanic). 

Light-skinned blacks are accurately classed as mulattoes.  Why this
liberal obstinatcy in demanding that there only be TWO classifications,
i.e. White and black?  Do you morons REALLY think that we're as uninspired
as you are?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> In article <4n6uo4$pd4@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>> And my, my, won't there be problems determining who is what and which
>>> goes where? 
>>
>>In some cases.  The existence of some nebulous borders does NOT mean that
>>well-defined core groups exist.
> 
> 	I think the problem we all see here is this: how are you going to 
> determine just who belongs to which "core group?"  Sure, it's easy to 
> look at a blue-eyed blonde and say "that person is White" or to look at a 
> dark-skinned African American and say "that person is Black."  But what 
> about the (numerous) cases where it's not so simple?
> 
> 	In a "White Separatist" government, what would people of southern 
> Italian ancestry (most of whom have some African blood) be classed as -- 
> "White" or "Black?"  And what about light-skinned Blacks? (My fiancee is 
> a light-skinned African-American who's often mistaken for Filipino or 
> Hispanic). 

Light-skinned blacks are accurately classed as mulattoes.  Why this
liberal obstinatcy in demanding that there only be TWO classifications,
i.e. White and black?  Do you morons REALLY think that we're as uninspired
as you are?

Les


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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4n6u4v$pa9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - Crazy subscribed to the Stormfront mailing list, and thinks that
this PROVES something, other than how pathetically she'll behave to get
attention)

> * > You're just as whacky when you're preaching to the choir, Les. Anyone who
> * > disagrees with you is accused of being a JOO or having a Black paramour.
> * 
> * Which you would DEARLY love to be a part of, but no-one gives a crazy old
> * bat like you a second thought.  Drives you crazy, eh Crazy?
> 
> No, schnitzel-boy --  this is purely a spectator sport for me. I really
> enjoy watching you make an ass out of yourself and get flamed by your
> "racial comrades".

Ooh, and I get flamed by them SO OFTEN.

> Does your fearless leader ever refer to you as "my sidekick, Cheap Laffs"? 

Nope, never.

> If anyone is curious about what the noble Aryan warriors are saying on the
> Stormfront mailing list, just send e-mail to 'Listserv@stormfront.org'
> with the line 'subscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the
> subject. You'll be added to the mailing list and can see the Lesmeister's
> act firsthand!

Thanks for the plug, you crazy old bat.  Yep, we can always count on you
liberals for free publicity, even when you guys PRETEND that you're simply
AGHAST that such "hate" could exist.  Makes one wonder where your
sympathies really lie...

Les




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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> In article <4n8nmi$fdr@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>> 	In a "White Separatist" government, what would people of southern 
>>> Italian ancestry (most of whom have some African blood) be classed as -- 
>>> "White" or "Black?"  And what about light-skinned Blacks? (My fiancee is 
>>> a light-skinned African-American who's often mistaken for Filipino or 
>>> Hispanic). 
>>
>>Light-skinned blacks are accurately classed as mulattoes.  Why this
>>liberal obstinatcy in demanding that there only be TWO classifications,
>>i.e. White and black?  Do you morons REALLY think that we're as uninspired
>>as you are?
> 
> 	My fiancee says "Don't call me a mulatto, call me a fair-skinned 
> Black."  

Your fiancee could demand that we call her the Blue Bird of Paradise, but
that wouldn't change what she is.

> 	I agree with you that the terms "White" and "Black" are misleading
> for the purposes of this argument.  I think we _could_ accurately say that
> you wish to divide the world into "White" and "Nonwhite" -- a category
> which would include Jews, Asians, Blacks, and anyone not of northern 
> European ancestry.  
> 
> 	Let's put it this way; you might draw a distinction between a 
> Japanese business executive and a Black day laborer -- but I doubt that 
> you'd want to live by either of them in an "Aryan confederation."  

You've got THAT right.  But if we have to be limited to the two-party
distinction, they would BOTH be non-White.

> 	So I guess the question should be: how do you determine, for 
> purposes of membership in the National Alliance or in any "White Nation," 
> if someone is really White or only "passing."

Well, why don't you read the National Alliance web page?  Or the
membership handbook?  Or even "What is the National Alliance?".  All three
have pretty decent explanations of what constitues "White".

Les



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Subject: Re: Negroes aren't primitive? Certainly less so than Paul Whitehouse
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Alexandre Kotov (akotov1@umbc.edu) wrote:
> 
> : Culture is created and changed by people. Individuals are products of
> : the culture that they are part of. The relationship between people and
> : culture is so complex and intermingled that it is not possible to make
> : a clear distinction between the two.  Therefore, the inferiority of 
> : culture entails the inferiority of people who belong to it.
> 
> Every last one?  And how exactly are we comparing cultures?  If I see a 
> list of inventions I will scream.

Translation:  a list of inventions is something that I CAN'T refute, so
no-one post one, please.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:12:10 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Negroes aren't primitive? Certainly less so than Paul Whitehouse
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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip)

> We differ on the importance of inventions to culture.  You can have a 
> dynamic and valuable culture that isn't centered around technology and 
> inventing things.  

Wotta cop-out!

Well, name one, then.

> This happens to be a prime European value, which is (a) why they do it so
> much, and (b) why you think it's so important, but it's not really shared by
> everyone.  Why it should be, I don't know.

And North America happens to be built on European values, as is ANY
civilization of worth.  Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that a bunch
of negroes happily wasting away the day sitting idly by the dirt road are 
"different but equal" to an inventive, creative, dynamic race?

> You're not going to agree with me.  I see it coming a miiile off.

Well, nothing wrong with your vision.  Too bad we can't say the same for
your mind.

Les




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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
> 
>>> 	My fiancee says "Don't call me a mulatto, call me a fair-skinned 
>>> Black."  
>>
>>Your fiancee could demand that we call her the Blue Bird of Paradise, but
>>that wouldn't change what she is.
> 
> 	If you mean by "Mulatto" a Black person with some non-Black 
> ancestry, then you're correct. 

Give that man a CEE-GAR!  Yes, that's EXACTLY what I mean.

> The word has fallen out of favor, though; the current politically correct
> term is "biracial" or "multiracial."  

(snicker)  Ask Laura Finsten what I think of "Political Correctness".
 
(snip)

>>Well, why don't you read the National Alliance web page?  Or the
>>membership handbook?  Or even "What is the National Alliance?".  All three
>>have pretty decent explanations of what constitues "White".
> 
> 	Don't have web access yet (still working with a tired ol' unix 
> shell account...).  If you have an FTP address where I can pick up NA 
> materials, I'd be happy to check them out.

I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
white.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4n9l74$mab@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > No, schnitzel-boy --  this is purely a spectator sport for me. I
> * > really enjoy watching you make an ass out of yourself and get
> * > flamed by your "racial comrades".
> * 
> * Ooh, and I get flamed by them SO OFTEN.
> 
> Often enough, schnitzel-boy, and your mighty-whitey detractors also point
> out that you cannot back up your rhetoric with facts. They say the same
> things about you that the "liberals" have, and you react by questioning
> their heritage and/or honor. Your whole philosophy is based on fear of the
> boogyman hiding in your closet. Get yourself a nightlight and learn to
> live in the real world while there's still time, Les.

*sigh*

I got attacked ONCE, by a guy who was DELIBERATELY being an ass, and I
speculated about his motives.  In that he was being dense, he was indeed
just like a liberal.

BTW, you wrinkled old prune, learn to use your editor.
 
(snip - Crazy now going on, dropping hints that she gets, or has access
to, NA bulletins, as if that's supposed to REALLY make me paranoid!)

> * > If anyone is curious about what the noble Aryan warriors are saying on the
> * > Stormfront mailing list, just send e-mail to 'Listserv@stormfront.org'
> * > with the line 'subscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the
> * > subject. You'll be added to the mailing list and can see the Lesmeister's
> * > act firsthand!
> * 
> * Thanks for the plug, you crazy old bat.  Yep, we can always count on you
> * liberals for free publicity, even when you guys PRETEND that you're simply
> * AGHAST that such "hate" could exist.  Makes one wonder where your
> * sympathies really lie...
> 
> If I had any sympathy for you, I lost it a long time ago. There's no need
> to thank me for pointing out which rock to turn over and find your slimey
> comrades.  

Sure, Crazy, sure...

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:12:22 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics
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Jim Fitch (fit541@lawlab.law.uwo.ca) writes:
> In article <4n4gsr$4sg@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
>>(cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> 2-cents'-worth coming, of little topical relevance and meant as an insult to 
> no one:
> 
> As far as I'm aware, the correct _English_ spelling of Nietzsche's work 
> is "Thus Spake (or even `Spoke`) Zarathustra".  The _German_, I believe, is 
> "Also Sprach(t) Zarathustra".

No, I think you're correct.  But you know the piece to which I am referring.
 
Les




From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu May 16 12:12:23 PDT 1996
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Ladies and Gentlemen:

Just thought you'd like to see the honorable techniques employed by 
certain "anti-racists" in the free and open debate of the Internet:

------
begin quoted message
------

 > Re: Nazi's on the net???
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> From           olskool@ix.netcom.com (Antonio)
> Organization   Netcom
> Date           12 May 1996 07:34:15 GMT
> Newsgroups     alt.apocalypse,alt.atheism,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.blasphemy,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now,alt.drugs.culture,alt.drugs.
> Message-ID     <4n449n$1v0@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> In <31951B77.2446@aol.com> Hit and Run <666@aol.com> writes:
> 
> >
> >Let's make racist Internet Recruiting a bit Harder
> >
> >Several monts ago, I began collecting the addresses of openly racist
> >groups on the net.  I'm sure there are plenty more.  I was planning
> >on SPAMing them harsh and hopefully overflowing their accounts.
> >However it is finals time, and I have no time to do this.  Hopefully
> >someone else will help with the job.  (addresses are matched with
> >names of orgs in order.) Feel free to help by sending huge pics and
> >other assorted things. Help the effort by cross posting this to
> >spread the word.
> >
> >metzger@cts.com                                                                                                        White Aryan Restance
> >listserv@stormfront.org                                                                                STORMFRONT
> >bf221@freenet.carleton.ca                                                              Aryan News Agency
> >cpn@echo-on.net
> >dblack@mail.stormfront.org                                                             Stormfront
> >cn247@FreeNet.Carleton.CA         Aryan Crusader
> >an209340@anon.penet.fi            kkk independent group
> >amren@clever.net                 Aryan Resistance
> >FreeCSA@aol.com               Southern
> >bewise@pixi.com                                          Be Wise as Serpants
> >watchman@stormfront.org      Watchman - "We are living in the
> >                   kingdom, and it's time to take out the trash."
> >
> >ezundel@cts.com              Zundel - "Hollacust Revisionism"
> >tmw@nilenet.com              America Worldwide
> >an369729@anon.penet.fi       British Nationalists
> >ping@anon.penet.fi           British Nationalists
> >help@anon.penet.fi                                                 British Nationalists
> >ihrgreg@kaiwan.com  Historical Nationalists(Hollacaust Revisionists)
> >cn247@FreeNet.Carleton.CA    Aryan Crusader
> >webmaster@cbn.org                                                                                      The 700 club
> >amfamily@ebicom.net                    American Family Association
> >nclement1@aol.com                                      American Family Association
> >nac@ebicom.net                                                 American Family Association
> >
> 
> Just call them the "Netzi's"!  :)))

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
                  I speak only for myself:

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      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
            http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/

                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
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                  http://www.natall.com/


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:12:25 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Danny (dmittleman@a) writes:
> In article <4nbcvs$a7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
> -Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> -> In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> - 
> -I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
> -anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
> -jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
> -white.
> 
>     What if two completely WHITE Europeans convert to Judaism, are they
>     still white?  What about their Jewish children, are they white?

Why not ask some of the friendly kosherites around here if such people
would be considered jewish?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Danny (dmittleman@'a) writes:
> In article <4nds0c$6oo@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>Danny (dmittleman@a) writes:
>>> In article <4nbcvs$a7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
>>> -Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
>>> -> In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>>> - 
>>> -I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
>>> -anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
>>> -jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
>>> -white.
>>> 
>>>     What if two completely WHITE Europeans convert to Judaism, are they
>>>     still white?  What about their Jewish children, are they white?
>> 
>>Why not ask some of the friendly kosherites around here if such people
>>would be considered jewish?
> 
>     Why don't you answer the questions put to you?

Simple.  They are white, but they are not Aryan.  Simple, eh? (geez, I bet
you guys HATE that)
 
Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <15MAY199607074831@a>, dmittleman@a (Danny) wrote:
> 
> * In article <4nbcvs$a7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes...
> * -Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
> * -> In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> * - 
> * -I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
> * -anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
> * -jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
> * -white.
> * 
> *     What if two completely WHITE Europeans convert to Judaism, are they
> *     still white?  What about their Jewish children, are they white?
> 
> I asked a similar question a few months ago about a real woman whose birth
> parents were Irish Catholic. She had been adopted as an infant by a
> Russian Jewish couple and raised as a Jew. Erin has very pale skin, red
> hair, and green eyes. 

One can adopt the religion, doofus.  That does NOT confer racial status.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.howard-stern,misc.survivalism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Jerry N. Alexandratos (alexandr@ncifcrf.gov) writes:
> In article <4n0kr2$23g@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:

>>> ...  Furthermore, unless you think of people as simple animal populations 
>>> you should respect their right to flonk whom they choose, consensually 
>>> speaking.
>>
>>Unless you think of children as simple animals, you shouldn't stop them
>>from exploring their environment, even if such exploration entails
>>sticking his/her tongue on an electrical socket.

(snip)

> Les:  Keeping a child fro life-threatening harm *is* important.  However,
> an adult falling in love with, marrying, and having children with another
> adult doesn't qualify as life-threatening harm. 

No, it's RACE threatening harm.

> Most people I know would say it's rather nice, in fact. 

Who cares?

Les




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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> alt.censorship/fan.howard-stern cut.  How they keep gettin' back in there?
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Unless you're, oh, I don't know, black.  But you've pretty well  
> : > established that you don't give a fig about them either way so it's 
> : > more or less a moot point.
> 
> : Okay, let's for the sake of argument assume that I want benefits for BOTH
> : the White and the negro race, equally.  So, according to you, there ARE
> : benefits for the negroes (presumably, they get to rub elbows with us). 
> : So, WHAT benefits accrue to the White race?  Stewie?  I'm waiting...
> 
> I don't suppose I could sell you on the appeal of living a morally 
> righteous lifestyle.

That's where our difficulty comes from:  YOU think a "morally righteous
lifestyle" means wallowing in multiracial squallor, while I don't.
 
Les




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Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Stewie, you're being an ass again.  The situation in Russia is abnormal,
> : in that it was brought about by the overthrow of Communism.  The situation
> : in the Third World, by contrast, is one of CONSTANT civil warfare,
> : starvation, drought, and just general emergency, one after another.
> 
> Seems like we were selling wheat to the potato people back when they were 
> commies too.  And, for whatever mysterious reason, which obviously had 
> nothing to do with the Europeans themselves, Africa wasn't a famine 
> factory before the Europeans arrived. 

Nor did they have a population that could be counted in the HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS.  Starvation kept them from expanding their numbers beyond a
relatively small level.

> I mean, they had wars.  Europe had 
> wars.  At least the Crusades stayed conventional.  Tactical nukes would 
> have really played hell in the Holy Land.  You know what, kids, it's 
> _really_ late at night right now.

Cop out.  You're just naturally stupid.

Les

 


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:43:43 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.survivalism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: One World, One People At Peace - a liberal wet-dream!
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Arne Carlsten (agc@primenet.com) writes:
> n2p64$n22@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> <4n4hqp$52n@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <4n51a8$3fh@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> <4n652l$jom@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <4n95s0$pm7@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> <4n9lt6$meg@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
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> Les Griswold  wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> : > alt.censorship/fan.howard-stern cut.  How they keep gettin' back in there?
> : > 
> : > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> (Snip....)
> 
> : > I don't suppose I could sell you on the appeal of living a morally 
> : > righteous lifestyle.
> 
> : That's where our difficulty comes from:  YOU think a "morally righteous
> : lifestyle" means wallowing in multiracial squallor, while I don't.
> 
> No, Les, you clearly seem tp prefer "wallowing in _racist_ squallor."  
> Now take your cross-posted crap back to the appropriate newsgroups.

Ask me nicely.  There's no need to get abusive.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.howard-stern,misc.survivalism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Petteri Kuuskoski (Petteri.Kuuskoski@Ajasto Osakeyhtio.inet.fi) writes:

Moi:
>> Pink flowers are pretty.  Mulattoes are not.

> Terve Les,
> 
> I like girls, ( do you ?) 

Yep.

> and especially the mulatto girls are very pretty. 

Are not.

> Take a look at the caribbean people for example;
> Girls are generally prettier than white girls

Like Hell.

> and men are generally more athletic, which is why they are better in most
> sports.

Oh, geez...

And horses are more muscular than EITHER Whites or negroes.  What's your
point?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> [edit]
>  
>>> Seems like we were selling wheat to the potato people back when they were 
>>> commies too.  And, for whatever mysterious reason, which obviously had 
>>> nothing to do with the Europeans themselves, Africa wasn't a famine 
>>> factory before the Europeans arrived. 
> 
>>Nor did they have a population that could be counted in the HUNDREDS OF
>>MILLIONS.  Starvation kept them from expanding their numbers beyond a
>>relatively small level.
> 
> I'd be real interested in the references for your sources on African
> population history, demography and whatever you based this "conclusion"
> on.  How large *was* Africa's population in 1500?  Thanking you in
> advance for those references...

Geez-Louise, Fester, are you REALLY gonna try to tell us that Africa's
population was LARGER then (i.e., before Europe) than it is NOW, or even
during the Colonial Period?  Geezus, that should be good for a laugh...

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4n9l74$mab@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > No, schnitzel-boy --  this is purely a spectator sport for me. I
> * > really enjoy watching you make an ass out of yourself and get
> * > flamed by your "racial comrades".
> * 
> * Ooh, and I get flamed by them SO OFTEN.
> 
> Often enough, schnitzel-boy, and your mighty-whitey detractors also point
> out that you cannot back up your rhetoric with facts. They say the same
> things about you that the "liberals" have, and you react by questioning
> their heritage and/or honor. Your whole philosophy is based on fear of the
> boogyman hiding in your closet. Get yourself a nightlight and learn to
> live in the real world while there's still time, Les.

*sigh*

I got attacked ONCE, by a guy who was DELIBERATELY being an ass, and I
speculated about his motives.  In that he was being dense, he was indeed
just like a liberal.

BTW, you wrinkled old prune, learn to use your editor.
 
(snip - Crazy now going on, dropping hints that she gets, or has access
to, NA bulletins, as if that's supposed to REALLY make me paranoid!)

> * > If anyone is curious about what the noble Aryan warriors are saying on the
> * > Stormfront mailing list, just send e-mail to 'Listserv@stormfront.org'
> * > with the line 'subscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the
> * > subject. You'll be added to the mailing list and can see the Lesmeister's
> * > act firsthand!
> * 
> * Thanks for the plug, you crazy old bat.  Yep, we can always count on you
> * liberals for free publicity, even when you guys PRETEND that you're simply
> * AGHAST that such "hate" could exist.  Makes one wonder where your
> * sympathies really lie...
> 
> If I had any sympathy for you, I lost it a long time ago. There's no need
> to thank me for pointing out which rock to turn over and find your slimey
> comrades.  

Sure, Crazy, sure...

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jim Fitch (fit541@lawlab.law.uwo.ca) writes:
> In article <4n4gsr$4sg@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
>>(cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> 2-cents'-worth coming, of little topical relevance and meant as an insult to 
> no one:
> 
> As far as I'm aware, the correct _English_ spelling of Nietzsche's work 
> is "Thus Spake (or even `Spoke`) Zarathustra".  The _German_, I believe, is 
> "Also Sprach(t) Zarathustra".

No, I think you're correct.  But you know the piece to which I am referring.
 
Les




From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu May 16 12:43:53 PDT 1996
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Ladies and Gentlemen:

Just thought you'd like to see the honorable techniques employed by 
certain "anti-racists" in the free and open debate of the Internet:

------
begin quoted message
------

 > Re: Nazi's on the net???
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> From           olskool@ix.netcom.com (Antonio)
> Organization   Netcom
> Date           12 May 1996 07:34:15 GMT
> Newsgroups     alt.apocalypse,alt.atheism,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.blasphemy,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now,alt.drugs.culture,alt.drugs.
> Message-ID     <4n449n$1v0@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> In <31951B77.2446@aol.com> Hit and Run <666@aol.com> writes:
> 
> >
> >Let's make racist Internet Recruiting a bit Harder
> >
> >Several monts ago, I began collecting the addresses of openly racist
> >groups on the net.  I'm sure there are plenty more.  I was planning
> >on SPAMing them harsh and hopefully overflowing their accounts.
> >However it is finals time, and I have no time to do this.  Hopefully
> >someone else will help with the job.  (addresses are matched with
> >names of orgs in order.) Feel free to help by sending huge pics and
> >other assorted things. Help the effort by cross posting this to
> >spread the word.
> >
> >metzger@cts.com                                                                                                        White Aryan Restance
> >listserv@stormfront.org                                                                                STORMFRONT
> >bf221@freenet.carleton.ca                                                              Aryan News Agency
> >cpn@echo-on.net
> >dblack@mail.stormfront.org                                                             Stormfront
> >cn247@FreeNet.Carleton.CA         Aryan Crusader
> >an209340@anon.penet.fi            kkk independent group
> >amren@clever.net                 Aryan Resistance
> >FreeCSA@aol.com               Southern
> >bewise@pixi.com                                          Be Wise as Serpants
> >watchman@stormfront.org      Watchman - "We are living in the
> >                   kingdom, and it's time to take out the trash."
> >
> >ezundel@cts.com              Zundel - "Hollacust Revisionism"
> >tmw@nilenet.com              America Worldwide
> >an369729@anon.penet.fi       British Nationalists
> >ping@anon.penet.fi           British Nationalists
> >help@anon.penet.fi                                                 British Nationalists
> >ihrgreg@kaiwan.com  Historical Nationalists(Hollacaust Revisionists)
> >cn247@FreeNet.Carleton.CA    Aryan Crusader
> >webmaster@cbn.org                                                                                      The 700 club
> >amfamily@ebicom.net                    American Family Association
> >nclement1@aol.com                                      American Family Association
> >nac@ebicom.net                                                 American Family Association
> >
> 
> Just call them the "Netzi's"!  :)))

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:43:55 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
>  
> [edit]
>  
>>>Surely even you don't believe you can catch it [AIDS] from a
>>> toilet seat, Mr. Griswold.
> 
>>Maybe, maybe not.  The simple fact is, we don't understand much of the
>>vectors that the HIV can use to enter the human body, and I'm not about to
>>let myself be railroaded into sacrificing my life for the "We Are The
>>World" lovey-dovey B.S. preached by leftists.
> 
> You *do* believe it!  No wonder you're such a homophobe!!
> You really are pitiful, Herr Unterschweinengruppenfuhrer.  Make sure you
> wear a face mask and rubber gloves whenever you go outside, and sleep in
> one of those air-chambers, just like Michael Jackson.  That'll protect
> you from "sacrificing your life".  Sure hope you never need a blood
> transfusion to save your life.

Trust a liberal ass to ASSUME something.  Whatever the case may be,
Fester, the fact is, we DON'T know an awful lot about HIV and AIDS
vectors.  And you can be sure that I'm not going to listen to the likes of
you, or other liberals.

Les

Here's an idea:  next time you go to your doctor, ask him if HE (or SHE)
would feel protected by having sex with an HIV-positive person with just a
condom for protection,.  Or postulate for him some of the scenarios that
you think "prove" that I'm a "homophobe".



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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
> Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
> wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
> That is to say: white.

Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
liberal pokes his snout here.

> Is it just Negroes that are inferior to White boys or do we need to
> include Indians (both kinds)? and Chinese, Mexicans, Kurds (ooops!
> blue eyes!), upper-caste Cubans, ... gosh, Les, where do we draw our
> lines.

Here we go, with the borderline-cases-disprove-that-pure-races-exist
argument again.
 
> It's easier NOT to be a bigot, really; that way you get to judge each
> person as he is, not based on Les' Theory of Humanity.

Aw, geez, did they go change the lexicon on me AGAIN?  When did "easy"
become a synonym for "right"?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Marco Simons (msimons@scws36.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Nor did they [Africa] have a population that could be counted in the 
> : HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.  Starvation kept them from expanding their numbers
> : beyond a relatively small level.
> 
> Well, no.  Starvation was never really a problem before colonization.  


I never said it was.  READ what I write before you reply.  I SAID, that
starvation KEPT THE POPULATION IN CHECK.  Or, to put it another way, the
non-availability of food kept the population from growing beyond a certain
point.

> The growth of the African population is mostly attributable to better 
> sanitation and health care; disease kept the population in check before.  

Yes, conditions have improved, but birth practices haven't changed in
response to them.

> In fact, the areas with high levels of starvation also have high growth 
> rates: Somalia, for example, still has a 3.2% growth rate.  Starvation 
> came because of population growth, which was allowed by the introduction 
> of Northern medicine without economic development.

Of course.  Blame it all on the white man, again.  The negroes have NO
responsibilty WHATSOEVER for their situation.

You know, that argument is far more racist than anything that has ever
been attributed to me.  It assumes, but frantically tries to avoid stating
forthright, that negroes ARE incompetent, at the mercy of the white race
all the time, and that they are SO incapable, that they are STILL
suffering the effects of colonialism, some two generations after the fact.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:51:46 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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panhead (panhead@superlink.net) writes:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> 
>> 'miscegreation' is a lot better than inbreeding.
> 
>  Inbreeding lives!  Take a look see at ARKANSAS!  Take a gander at the
> folks occupying the white house!  Duh.

The title of this string shows a SERIOUS misunderstanding of the
word, and the practice of, "inbreeding".  Inbreeding is the surest way to
obtain a stable genotype, IF it is accompanied by strictures to prevent
the genetically unhealthy from propagating.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: The Tal-mud (was: Defending the White race from the depredations of jews)
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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> 
> [deletia]
> 
>>>> That's probably true.  Isn't there an injunction in the Tal-mud to kill
>>>> any Gentile who studies it, and any jew who helps him to do so?
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't know, Lester, as I wouldn't presume to accord myself the title
>>> of Talmudic scholar without far more study time under my belt.
>> 
>> Not like we'd expect you, ANY of you, to make such an admission.
> 
> You know, Lester, I knew you were a fool, but you've outdone yourself this
> time.  I must thank you for according me more respect as a Talmudic
> scholar than I've earned or would even presume to give myself.

I meant "you" as in "you jews".  Sheesh, are you ever stupid...
 
> And to think I thought you didn't like me... 

Well, you got THAT right.
 
(snip)

Les



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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> 
>>>> Not like we'd expect you, ANY of you, to make such an admission.
>>> 
>>> You know, Lester, I knew you were a fool, but you've outdone yourself this
>>> time.  I must thank you for according me more respect as a Talmudic
>>> scholar than I've earned or would even presume to give myself.
>> 
>> I meant "you" as in "you jews".  Sheesh, are you ever stupid...
> 
> Well gee, Lessie, *I'm* a Jew; I guess that means it includes me.

Well, it MEANT to, but you're either too stupid to understand, or you're
being slippery and devious as a typical ambulance-chaser.
 
>>> And to think I thought you didn't like me... 
>> 
>> Well, you got THAT right.
> 
> You'd never know it from your sweet words, darling. ;-)

Shh!  You're gonna ruin my rep!

Les

(stupid Skinhead O'Connor sig deleted)




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4n8o3a$fin@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
>> panhead (panhead@superlink.net) writes:
>> > Anonymous wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> 'miscegreation' is a lot better than inbreeding.
>> > 
>> >  Inbreeding lives!  Take a look see at ARKANSAS!  Take a gander at the
>> > folks occupying the white house!  Duh.
>> 
>> The title of this string shows a SERIOUS misunderstanding of the
>> word, and the practice of, "inbreeding".  Inbreeding is the surest way to
>> obtain a stable genotype, IF it is accompanied by strictures to prevent
>> the genetically unhealthy from propagating.
> 
> So, it's a good idea for a man to fuck his sister and make
> her pregnant, is it?
> 
> Will that help create a "pure white race"?

You can always tell that you've gored a liberal sacred cow when they start
getting filthy with their language.  But, Caesar, since your arguments
seem to hinge on crudity and nothing more, essentially, yes, it's not
harmful.  The Egyptian pharaohs practiced incest to isolate the best genes
in their population, (Thutmosis came from a family that had practiced
brother/sister marriages for FIVE generations immediately prior to him) and
not just the nobility, either.  This, BTW, should not be taken as an argument 
in favour of the "'Gyptians was BLACK, man!" position, but I guess it will be 
anyway.

Les





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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4n9l74$mab@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > No, schnitzel-boy --  this is purely a spectator sport for me. I
> * > really enjoy watching you make an ass out of yourself and get
> * > flamed by your "racial comrades".
> * 
> * Ooh, and I get flamed by them SO OFTEN.
> 
> Often enough, schnitzel-boy, and your mighty-whitey detractors also point
> out that you cannot back up your rhetoric with facts. They say the same
> things about you that the "liberals" have, and you react by questioning
> their heritage and/or honor. Your whole philosophy is based on fear of the
> boogyman hiding in your closet. Get yourself a nightlight and learn to
> live in the real world while there's still time, Les.

*sigh*

I got attacked ONCE, by a guy who was DELIBERATELY being an ass, and I
speculated about his motives.  In that he was being dense, he was indeed
just like a liberal.

BTW, you wrinkled old prune, learn to use your editor.
 
(snip - Crazy now going on, dropping hints that she gets, or has access
to, NA bulletins, as if that's supposed to REALLY make me paranoid!)

> * > If anyone is curious about what the noble Aryan warriors are saying on the
> * > Stormfront mailing list, just send e-mail to 'Listserv@stormfront.org'
> * > with the line 'subscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the
> * > subject. You'll be added to the mailing list and can see the Lesmeister's
> * > act firsthand!
> * 
> * Thanks for the plug, you crazy old bat.  Yep, we can always count on you
> * liberals for free publicity, even when you guys PRETEND that you're simply
> * AGHAST that such "hate" could exist.  Makes one wonder where your
> * sympathies really lie...
> 
> If I had any sympathy for you, I lost it a long time ago. There's no need
> to thank me for pointing out which rock to turn over and find your slimey
> comrades.  

Sure, Crazy, sure...

Les



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Jim Fitch (fit541@lawlab.law.uwo.ca) writes:
> In article <4n4gsr$4sg@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
>>(cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> 2-cents'-worth coming, of little topical relevance and meant as an insult to 
> no one:
> 
> As far as I'm aware, the correct _English_ spelling of Nietzsche's work 
> is "Thus Spake (or even `Spoke`) Zarathustra".  The _German_, I believe, is 
> "Also Sprach(t) Zarathustra".

No, I think you're correct.  But you know the piece to which I am referring.
 
Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
>  
> [edit]
>  
>>>Surely even you don't believe you can catch it [AIDS] from a
>>> toilet seat, Mr. Griswold.
> 
>>Maybe, maybe not.  The simple fact is, we don't understand much of the
>>vectors that the HIV can use to enter the human body, and I'm not about to
>>let myself be railroaded into sacrificing my life for the "We Are The
>>World" lovey-dovey B.S. preached by leftists.
> 
> You *do* believe it!  No wonder you're such a homophobe!!
> You really are pitiful, Herr Unterschweinengruppenfuhrer.  Make sure you
> wear a face mask and rubber gloves whenever you go outside, and sleep in
> one of those air-chambers, just like Michael Jackson.  That'll protect
> you from "sacrificing your life".  Sure hope you never need a blood
> transfusion to save your life.

Trust a liberal ass to ASSUME something.  Whatever the case may be,
Fester, the fact is, we DON'T know an awful lot about HIV and AIDS
vectors.  And you can be sure that I'm not going to listen to the likes of
you, or other liberals.

Les

Here's an idea:  next time you go to your doctor, ask him if HE (or SHE)
would feel protected by having sex with an HIV-positive person with just a
condom for protection,.  Or postulate for him some of the scenarios that
you think "prove" that I'm a "homophobe".



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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
> Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
> wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
> That is to say: white.

Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
liberal pokes his snout here.

> Is it just Negroes that are inferior to White boys or do we need to
> include Indians (both kinds)? and Chinese, Mexicans, Kurds (ooops!
> blue eyes!), upper-caste Cubans, ... gosh, Les, where do we draw our
> lines.

Here we go, with the borderline-cases-disprove-that-pure-races-exist
argument again.
 
> It's easier NOT to be a bigot, really; that way you get to judge each
> person as he is, not based on Les' Theory of Humanity.

Aw, geez, did they go change the lexicon on me AGAIN?  When did "easy"
become a synonym for "right"?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:52:10 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip - a lot of stuff about the savagery in Liberia)

>> The point is, butt-head, that what Calley perpetrated at My Lai was an
>> ABERRATION, whereas the situation in Liberia is par for the course when
>> negroes are left to conduct politics on their own.
> 
> Really? Been to any African nations lately?! BTW, we also know what 
> happens when whites are left to govern alone. WWI, WWII, genocide, 
> ethnic cleansing etc. I think you get the point...

EXCUSE ME?!?  Could you demonstrate how ANY of those you name (WWI, WWII,
ethnic cleansing, which is obviously a reference to the fracas in the
former Yugoslavia) are the result of White self-rule?  We're waiting...

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 16 12:52:14 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>You can always tell that you've gored a liberal sacred cow when they start
>>getting filthy with their language.
> 
> 	You love it when we talk dirty, eh?
> 
>>The Egyptian pharaohs practiced incest to isolate the best genes
>>in their population, (Thutmosis came from a family that had practiced
>>brother/sister marriages for FIVE generations immediately prior to him) and
>>not just the nobility, either.
> 
> 	Look what it did to the Egyptian nobility.

Considering that the Egyptian nobility lasted for THOUSANDS of years, as
opposed to the 200 or so that can be claimed for most mobocracies, I don't
think that's too bad.

> Look what happened at *all* families where this was practised. It's no
> coincidence that haemophilia is associated with royal families.

Actually, dink, I believe that haemophilia is confined to the British
Royal Family.  But I could be wrong on that.

Anyway, ass, you're ignoring (WHY am I not surprised?) what I've said time
and time again:  ANY eugenics program CANNOT rely SOLELY on making babies
with no regard to what goes into the mix.  To be effective, it must avail
itself of culling techniques, and intelligent selection of the genes
bequeathed to posterity.  WHY is this so difficult for the likes of you to
grasp?  Or are you being DELIBERATELY difficult (I suspect that you are).

Les



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Petteri Kuuskoski (Petteri.Kuuskoski@Ajasto Osakeyhtio.inet.fi) writes:

Moi:
>> Pink flowers are pretty.  Mulattoes are not.

> Terve Les,
> 
> I like girls, ( do you ?) 

Yep.

> and especially the mulatto girls are very pretty. 

Are not.

> Take a look at the caribbean people for example;
> Girls are generally prettier than white girls

Like Hell.

> and men are generally more athletic, which is why they are better in most
> sports.

Oh, geez...

And horses are more muscular than EITHER Whites or negroes.  What's your
point?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 17 14:34:30 PDT 1996
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4ndsb9$6qs@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
>> Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> > You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
>> > Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
>> > wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
>> > That is to say: white.
>> 
>> Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
>> India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
>> surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
>> liberal pokes his snout here.
> 
> OK then, are Dravidians (before they "miscegenated" with "Aryans")
> Caucasian, Mongoloid or Negroid?

I believe they were (and still are) Negroid, butt-hole. 

Les




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Danny (dmittleman@'a) writes:

(snip)

>     I wonder how you differentiate this from most all of the Jews who are
>     descended from the Khazars as the Khazars were white (they come from a
>     region not all that far from the caucaucus mountains don't they?) but
>     not Aryan?  I mean, most all of the Jews from Europe were either
>     straight Khazar or Khazar mixed with other European blood.


>From  _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X

"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher's."

Les



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Danny (dmittleman@'a) writes:

(snip)

>     I wonder how you differentiate this from most all of the Jews who are
>     descended from the Khazars as the Khazars were white (they come from a
>     region not all that far from the caucaucus mountains don't they?) but
>     not Aryan?  I mean, most all of the Jews from Europe were either
>     straight Khazar or Khazar mixed with other European blood.


>From  _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X

"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher's."

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 17 15:20:21 PDT 1996
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <009675A8.fc@nile.com> Roena@nile.com "Roena" writes:
> 
>> it's really not complicated so why the big debate.  Its' either. . . or:   
>> white or non-white. 
> 
> "non-white" is a pretty large category.

Yes, it is.
 
> What about the sub-divisions of "non-white"?

Why?  I thought it had been made clear by now that we care about the WHITE
Race, and that which isn't a part of it is NOT an area for concern for us.
 
But why is it that you liberal dinks never have a problem defining
"white/non-white" when it comes to formulating idiotic policies like AA or
EEO, but you get all huffy when white people start talking about race?

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4n9l74$mab@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

> * > No, schnitzel-boy --  this is purely a spectator sport for me. I
> * > really enjoy watching you make an ass out of yourself and get
> * > flamed by your "racial comrades".
> * 
> * Ooh, and I get flamed by them SO OFTEN.
> 
> Often enough, schnitzel-boy, and your mighty-whitey detractors also point
> out that you cannot back up your rhetoric with facts. They say the same
> things about you that the "liberals" have, and you react by questioning
> their heritage and/or honor. Your whole philosophy is based on fear of the
> boogyman hiding in your closet. Get yourself a nightlight and learn to
> live in the real world while there's still time, Les.

*sigh*

I got attacked ONCE, by a guy who was DELIBERATELY being an ass, and I
speculated about his motives.  In that he was being dense, he was indeed
just like a liberal.

BTW, you wrinkled old prune, learn to use your editor.
 
(snip - Crazy now going on, dropping hints that she gets, or has access
to, NA bulletins, as if that's supposed to REALLY make me paranoid!)

> * > If anyone is curious about what the noble Aryan warriors are saying on the
> * > Stormfront mailing list, just send e-mail to 'Listserv@stormfront.org'
> * > with the line 'subscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the
> * > subject. You'll be added to the mailing list and can see the Lesmeister's
> * > act firsthand!
> * 
> * Thanks for the plug, you crazy old bat.  Yep, we can always count on you
> * liberals for free publicity, even when you guys PRETEND that you're simply
> * AGHAST that such "hate" could exist.  Makes one wonder where your
> * sympathies really lie...
> 
> If I had any sympathy for you, I lost it a long time ago. There's no need
> to thank me for pointing out which rock to turn over and find your slimey
> comrades.  

Sure, Crazy, sure...

Les



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Jim Fitch (fit541@lawlab.law.uwo.ca) writes:
> In article <4n4gsr$4sg@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> 
>>(cue up "Thus Sprach Zarathustra")
> 
> 2-cents'-worth coming, of little topical relevance and meant as an insult to 
> no one:
> 
> As far as I'm aware, the correct _English_ spelling of Nietzsche's work 
> is "Thus Spake (or even `Spoke`) Zarathustra".  The _German_, I believe, is 
> "Also Sprach(t) Zarathustra".

No, I think you're correct.  But you know the piece to which I am referring.
 
Les




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Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:

(snip)

> You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
> Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
> wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
> That is to say: white.

Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
liberal pokes his snout here.

> Is it just Negroes that are inferior to White boys or do we need to
> include Indians (both kinds)? and Chinese, Mexicans, Kurds (ooops!
> blue eyes!), upper-caste Cubans, ... gosh, Les, where do we draw our
> lines.

Here we go, with the borderline-cases-disprove-that-pure-races-exist
argument again.
 
> It's easier NOT to be a bigot, really; that way you get to judge each
> person as he is, not based on Les' Theory of Humanity.

Aw, geez, did they go change the lexicon on me AGAIN?  When did "easy"
become a synonym for "right"?

Les




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Danny (dmittleman@'a) writes:

(snip)

>     I wonder how you differentiate this from most all of the Jews who are
>     descended from the Khazars as the Khazars were white (they come from a
>     region not all that far from the caucaucus mountains don't they?) but
>     not Aryan?  I mean, most all of the Jews from Europe were either
>     straight Khazar or Khazar mixed with other European blood.


>From  _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X

"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher's."

Les



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Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > We differ on the importance of inventions to culture.  You can have a 
> : > dynamic and valuable culture that isn't centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things.  
> 
> : Wotta cop-out!
> 
> : Well, name one, then.
> 
> Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> inventing things."

Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
(gun powder, printing).
 
> : Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that a bunch
> : of negroes happily wasting away the day sitting idly by the dirt road are 
> : "different but equal" to an inventive, creative, dynamic race?
> 
> Well if you put it that way we'll just have to fight with limp asparagus 
> until... until it melts.
> 
> I've tried to explain African culture to you before and you refuse to 
> accept any of my examples or references, so I don't see the point in 
> continuing the discussion.

Yes, I refuse to accept any happy crap that you try to pass off as "real"
history.
 
Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4nj0o0$3e9@umbc9.umbc.edu>, akotov1@umbc.edu (Alexandre Kotov) wrote:

(snip)

>>Stewart, you would agree that what makes humans different from animals is
>>use of tools (among other things). Certainly, you will not deny that homo
>>sapiens is superior to chimpanzee. Chimpanzee uses stick to protect his
>>family from enemies. Humans first used sharp stones for the same purpose.
>>Then Europeans invented the rifle, a much more efficient weapon. ICBM and
>>hydrogen bomb were soon to follow.  
>>
>>Well, judging by your statements, you might very well insist that pan
>>troglodytes is not inferior. You can teach a chimp to eat with a spoon, to
>>wear clothes, to use toilet. Chimp can even be taught to coherently answer
>>simple questions using the sign language. Many human beings do not do much
>>more then that. Why, therefore, chimps living in the wild who do not
>>possess these skills are simply unlucky. They are not inferior at all, it's
>>their culture! 
> 
> Typical white-supremacist bullshit, equating black people with chimps.

Hmm.  NOWHERE did I read any mention of negroes, except in the title.  So
how, pray tell, did you come to the conclusion that black folk were being
discussed?

Les



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Dave King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> : > It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> : > definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things."
> 
> : Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
> : emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
> : that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
> : (gun powder, printing).
> 
> The Chinese invented some useful stuff, sure, and they probably could 
> have done a lot more if that was their net goal.  The Europeans have 
> invented more things and conquered more of the world because that's what 
> they've decided to spend their time on.  

Geez, you liberals never stop being amazing.  You get all hoity-toity when
the idea of a bunch of JEWS conspiring to run the world is brought up, yet
the idea seems perfectly credible to you when it's Europeans we're talking
about.

Les




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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4nhh33$8si@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
>   :edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
>   :
>   :"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
>   :of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
>   :tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
>   :novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
>   :ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
>   :whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
>   :legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
>   :thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
>   :the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
>   :Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
>   :evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
>   :What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
>   :an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
>   :their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
>   :North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
>   :number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
>   :and Gaucher's."
> 
> Once again, you have trotted this quote out. If there is any point to it,
> I can only see three possibilities:
> 
> (1) The old saw of calling jews "Khazars," a favorite in the white-power
> community, is wholly invalid.

It's not a favourite of mine.  A jew is a jew is a jew.
 
> (2) The Jews somehow picked up 5-10% black genes from the ancient
> Egyptians, who, Les insists, were not black.

Of course, Andy-panda has ignored, YET AGAIN, my comment about slaves.
 
> (3) Jews exhibit a certain degree of genetic homogenaity. I am not aware
> of anyone questioning this assertion.

So that makes them different, which blows a BIG hole in the liberal
argument about "Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race!"

Les




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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : One can adopt the religion (i.e. Judaism), doofus.  That does NOT confer
> : racial status.
 
> The Nazis, on the other hand, lumped converts to Judaism with those
> born Jews and sent them to the showers together.

That's bullshit.  Anything to bolster the myth of the 6 million, right?

> Are you saying that Hitler was wrong?

I know that this will come as a shock to your two-dimensional liberal
mind, but Hitler was NOT a god of any sort.  He was human.  The fact that
he was right about a great many things does NOT mean that he was right
about EVERYTHING.  

Les




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In your annoying months here on the 'Net, you've seen fit to treat it like
your own private stomping ground.  I have a few questions for you, based
on your arrogance and pig-headedness.

1)  Do you get paid by the word, the kilobyte, or the megabyte?
(judging from the length of your last message, I'd say by the word... 474
lines... Ken, grab a clue)

2)  Do your masters pay you a bonus when you come up with something
particularly witty, or do you get just a flat rate?

3)  What, other than harrassment and spamming, is your purpose in
periodically posting the "les-10-q" to at least FIVE newsgroups?
(and, recently, changing the name of the thread, so as to make people
think that you've come up with something new?)

4)  What, other than an overinflated ego, makes you think that you are
entitled to any response other than ridicule?

Les



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Danny (dmittleman@'a) writes:

(snip)

>     I wonder how you differentiate this from most all of the Jews who are
>     descended from the Khazars as the Khazars were white (they come from a
>     region not all that far from the caucaucus mountains don't they?) but
>     not Aryan?  I mean, most all of the Jews from Europe were either
>     straight Khazar or Khazar mixed with other European blood.


>From  _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X

"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher's."

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Liberian boat people.  Coming soon to a country near you
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John Stone (20676jrs@msu.edu) writes:
> holman@katk.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>In article <4n7u1t$5rm@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>>bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>>
>>> I heard on the radio news today that thousands of Liberian refugees
>>> crammed onto a ferry boat (could have been a trawler) were being rejected
>>> time and again from many African countries. 
>>
>>It is a freighter, the S.S. Bulk Challenge. The name suggests that it is a
>>container vessle, not exactly the most suitable means for transporting
>>3,000 terrified refugees.

However, that IS the use to which it has been put.

>>> It seems this particular boat
>>> had been turned away from Ghana, Sierra Leone and one other country I
>>> think was Sudan.  The refugees have been allowed to refuel, and were given
>>> food and water before being forced out to sea.
>>
>>Sudan is on the other side of Africa. The country in question was the
>>Ivory Coast.
>>> 
>>> Most of these refugees are infected with dysentery, malaria, and pneumonia.
>>
>>So would you be if you had been floating around aimlessly on an
>>overcrowded boat packed with terrified refugees in the tropical sun with
>>little food, water and inadequate sanitation facilities for ten days.

Point is, Eugene, she WOULDN'T be.

>>> How long do you think it's going to take before Canada and the U.S. are
>>> forced to accept these disease ridden refugees?  My guess is we won't make
>>> it to the end of May before we get our first planeload of "new citizens".  
>>> 
>>
>>Actually, Ghana has taken them in. 
>>
>>> My question is this: if African nations refuse to let their brethren into
>>> their countries, why the hell should we accept them?
>>> 
>>
>>We're all human beings, and in that sense brethren, no matter what our
>>race, color, creed, or sexual orientation. That being said, the United
>>States, which established Liberia in the first place, and whose Firestone
>>Rubber Company was long the pillar of the economy, has been involved
>>enough in Liberia (and extracted enough wealth from it) to have some
>>responsibility for helping cope with the horrific refugee situation.
>>
>                                                                
> I doubt anything will be done as far as letting Liberian boat
> people into the U.S.  This being an election year and the
> sentiment against immigration to this country growing, the 
> climate is probably not right for it.  John S.  

Don't bet your buttons, John.  Governments in White western nations have a
habit of doing stupid things when it comes to "refugees".

Les
 




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Today in the _Ottawa Sun_, there was a report about an 11-year-old rapist,
who was reminding the cops about the fact that they couldn't charge him
with JACK SHIT since he was only 11.  This rapist was a negro, of course. 

Les



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Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > We differ on the importance of inventions to culture.  You can have a 
> : > dynamic and valuable culture that isn't centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things.  
> 
> : Wotta cop-out!
> 
> : Well, name one, then.
> 
> Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> inventing things."

Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
(gun powder, printing).
 
> : Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that a bunch
> : of negroes happily wasting away the day sitting idly by the dirt road are 
> : "different but equal" to an inventive, creative, dynamic race?
> 
> Well if you put it that way we'll just have to fight with limp asparagus 
> until... until it melts.
> 
> I've tried to explain African culture to you before and you refuse to 
> accept any of my examples or references, so I don't see the point in 
> continuing the discussion.

Yes, I refuse to accept any happy crap that you try to pass off as "real"
history.
 
Les




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From: evil Beavis 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Beavis:  of the deep end (was: LIBERIA: (key words) Nigger, Chop, Savage, Future)
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> 
> (snip - a lot of stuff about the savagery in Liberia)
> 
> >> The point is, butt-head, that what Calley perpetrated at My Lai was an
> >> ABERRATION, whereas the situation in Liberia is par for the course when
> >> negroes are left to conduct politics on their own.
> >
> > Really? Been to any African nations lately?! BTW, we also know what
> > happens when whites are left to govern alone. WWI, WWII, genocide,
> > ethnic cleansing etc. I think you get the point...
> 
> EXCUSE ME?!?  Could you demonstrate how ANY of those you name (WWI, WWII,
> ethnic cleansing, which is obviously a reference to the fracas in the
> former Yugoslavia) are the result of White self-rule?  We're waiting...
> 
> Les


It is equally right to blame these atrocities on whites if you choose to 
hold blacks solely responsible for what's going on in Africa today and 
choose to ignore colonial legacy and international interference. The 
story of atrocities in Europe is also quite patterned. Not just the 20th 
century has seen this. Religious wars have ravaged the continent for a 
long time. The 30year war in the 17th century is another good example of 
European savagery. How noble and enlightened we were back in the dark 
ages too!!

eB


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Seems that a lot of people are very touchy over the subject of 11-year-old
rapists, especially when it's revealed that the rapist in question is a
negro.  I wonder why... could it be that they can't really come up with
any sort of refutation?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4n7u1t$5rm@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) wrote:
>>I heard on the radio news today that thousands of Liberian refugees
>>crammed onto a ferry boat (could have been a trawler) were being rejected
>>time and again from many African countries.  It seems this particular boat
>>had been turned away from Ghana, Sierra Leone and one other country I
>>think was Sudan.  The refugees have been allowed to refuel, and were given
>>food and water before being forced out to sea.
>>
>>Most of these refugees are infected with dysentery, malaria, and pneumonia.
>>
>>How long do you think it's going to take before Canada and the U.S. are
>>forced to accept these disease ridden refugees?  My guess is we won't make
>>it to the end of May before we get our first planeload of "new citizens".  
>>
>>My question is this: if African nations refuse to let their brethren into
>>their countries, why the hell should we accept them?
> 
> Because our human rights record is much better then that of the African 
> countries.

CTHULHU!!! That is SO racist!  The African countries simply express their
fellowship in a manner that is DIFFERENT than ours!  How elitist of you to
say that our human rights record is BETTER than theirs!

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> 
>>(snip)
> 
>>> You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
>>> Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
>>> wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
>>> That is to say: white.
> 
>>Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
>>India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
>>surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
>>liberal pokes his snout here.
> 
> Actually, Leslie, you have it backwards.  The Dravs were there first,
> and the Aryans invaded from the north.  

Where did I say ANYTHING about who was there first?  Typical jew:  you try
to sidetrack the issue.

> But the REAL question is: what race are Dravidians?  They're not Negros...

They're not white, and they're CERTAINLY not Aryan.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

>> > Really? Been to any African nations lately?! BTW, we also know what
>> > happens when whites are left to govern alone. WWI, WWII, genocide,
>> > ethnic cleansing etc. I think you get the point...
>> 
>> EXCUSE ME?!?  Could you demonstrate how ANY of those you name (WWI, WWII,
>> ethnic cleansing, which is obviously a reference to the fracas in the
>> former Yugoslavia) are the result of White self-rule?  We're waiting...
> 
> It is equally right to blame these atrocities on whites if you choose to 
> hold blacks solely responsible for what's going on in Africa today and 
> choose to ignore colonial legacy and international interference.

Beaver, don't you see how condescending that is?  You're EXCUSING the
negro's behaviour, assuming that he is UNABLE to achieve because he is so
weak and incapable that "colonial legacy" keeps him down.

Listen, Beaver, colonialism hasn't existed for some two generations now. 
One would expect that in that time there would be at least SOME advances
made by the negroes.

> The story of atrocities in Europe is also quite patterned. Not just the 20th 
> century has seen this. Religious wars have ravaged the continent for a 
> long time. The 30year war in the 17th century is another good example of 
> European savagery. How noble and enlightened we were back in the dark 
> ages too!!

Translation:  Whites weren't very nice in the past, so that somehow
excuses negro savagery.

Les




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"Thomas J. Penton" (afn45350@afn.org) writes:
> On 18 May 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> Today in the _Ottawa Sun_, there was a report about an 11-year-old rapist,
>> who was reminding the cops about the fact that they couldn't charge him
>> with JACK SHIT since he was only 11.  This rapist was a negro, of course. 

> Les white 11 year olds can be rapists too, 

So where are the 11-year-old white rapists?

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>> Actually, Leslie, you have it backwards.  The Dravs were there first,
>>> and the Aryans invaded from the north.  
> 
>>Where did I say ANYTHING about who was there first?  Typical jew:  you try
>>to sidetrack the issue.
> 
>>> But the REAL question is: what race are Dravidians?  They're not Negros...
> 
>>They're not white, and they're CERTAINLY not Aryan.
> 
> You haven't answered the question, Herr Oberschneezwergfuhrer.  But this
> is hardly surprising.  I have another couple for you.  Are "white"
> and "Aryan" both races?  If so, how are they related to one another?  I mean,
> is "Aryan" a subgroup of "white"?  Or something totally different from
> "white"?  Or have you now decided that "Aryan" is a race but "white" is
> something else?

Fester, you're too stupid for words.

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4nj0o0$3e9@umbc9.umbc.edu>, akotov1@umbc.edu (Alexandre Kotov) wrote:

(snip)

>>Stewart, you would agree that what makes humans different from animals is
>>use of tools (among other things). Certainly, you will not deny that homo
>>sapiens is superior to chimpanzee. Chimpanzee uses stick to protect his
>>family from enemies. Humans first used sharp stones for the same purpose.
>>Then Europeans invented the rifle, a much more efficient weapon. ICBM and
>>hydrogen bomb were soon to follow.  
>>
>>Well, judging by your statements, you might very well insist that pan
>>troglodytes is not inferior. You can teach a chimp to eat with a spoon, to
>>wear clothes, to use toilet. Chimp can even be taught to coherently answer
>>simple questions using the sign language. Many human beings do not do much
>>more then that. Why, therefore, chimps living in the wild who do not
>>possess these skills are simply unlucky. They are not inferior at all, it's
>>their culture! 
> 
> Typical white-supremacist bullshit, equating black people with chimps.

Hmm.  NOWHERE did I read any mention of negroes, except in the title.  So
how, pray tell, did you come to the conclusion that black folk were being
discussed?

Les



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The latest foo-fer-aw in the 11-year-old rapist's case is that his mother
is now coming out and saying that the police are out to "get" her son. 
Gee, why am I not surprised that the "persecution" angle is being played now?

Les



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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4nl170$9hh@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
>>> Les white 11 year olds can be rapists too, 
>>
>>So where are the 11-year-old white rapists?
> 
> If the boy was white he would still be a rapist. The color of a person's skin 
> has nothing to do with his character.

"If, if, if... ".  Simple fact is, though, that we're not talking about IF
one 11-year-old rapist is black or white - there actually IS a black
11-year-old rapist out there.

Les




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Dave King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> : > It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> : > definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things."
> 
> : Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
> : emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
> : that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
> : (gun powder, printing).
> 
> The Chinese invented some useful stuff, sure, and they probably could 
> have done a lot more if that was their net goal.  The Europeans have 
> invented more things and conquered more of the world because that's what 
> they've decided to spend their time on.  

Geez, you liberals never stop being amazing.  You get all hoity-toity when
the idea of a bunch of JEWS conspiring to run the world is brought up, yet
the idea seems perfectly credible to you when it's Europeans we're talking
about.

Les




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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4nhh33$8si@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
>   :edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
>   :
>   :"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
>   :of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
>   :tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
>   :novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
>   :ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
>   :whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
>   :legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
>   :thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
>   :the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
>   :Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
>   :evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
>   :What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
>   :an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
>   :their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
>   :North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
>   :number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
>   :and Gaucher's."
> 
> Once again, you have trotted this quote out. If there is any point to it,
> I can only see three possibilities:
> 
> (1) The old saw of calling jews "Khazars," a favorite in the white-power
> community, is wholly invalid.

It's not a favourite of mine.  A jew is a jew is a jew.
 
> (2) The Jews somehow picked up 5-10% black genes from the ancient
> Egyptians, who, Les insists, were not black.

Of course, Andy-panda has ignored, YET AGAIN, my comment about slaves.
 
> (3) Jews exhibit a certain degree of genetic homogenaity. I am not aware
> of anyone questioning this assertion.

So that makes them different, which blows a BIG hole in the liberal
argument about "Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race!"

Les




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Race-traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> Yes, and there are probably young white rapists too. 

So where are they?

> Not to mention the fact that all the child-molesters and serial killers (not
> counting Ferguson) tend to be white... 

Ah, white like Richard Ramirez or that guy in Atlanta, Georgia who offed
28 or so negro children?

> Does that mean anything? Does that say something about white people??

No, but your "argument", such as it is, reveals that you are a massive idiot.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), her Thorazine prescription running 
low, writes:

(snip)

> Les has mentioned three categories: Aryan, White, and white. From some of
> his previous writings, I understand that:

Your ego is showing, luv.  You couldn't understand a boot in the ass.
 
Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
>>Andrew Mathis wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope you die.
>>> 
>>> Love,
>>> Andrew
>>> 
> 
>>What a believer in and practitioner of, free and open debate! What 
>>a light to the nations! What a fighter against hate and 
>>intolerance! 
> 
>>Andrew, I had such high hopes for you. And you are exceeding them every 
>>day!
> 
> You're a late player in this little game, Kevvie.  See, Richard
> Butler, the head of Aryan Nations, believes all of us JOOS should be
> killed.  I'm just returnin' the hate, see?  THEY started it, not me.

Funny, that.  Mathis and his ilk constantly complain about "anti-semitism", 
but anti-semitism is, more and more, being seen as a reasonable reaction
to semitism, i.e. the regular practices of jews.

Les



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Susan Marie Groppi (groppi@hcs.HARVARD.EDU) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Geez, you liberals never stop being amazing.  You get all hoity-toity when
> : the idea of a bunch of JEWS conspiring to run the world is brought up, yet
> : the idea seems perfectly credible to you when it's Europeans we're talking
> : about.
> 
> Right.  Les, I believe Dave requested that you provide some legitimate
> sources on African history, 

Oh, for crying out loud...

Groppi-inna-dark, there ARE no "legitimate sources on African history", at
least none that liberal dinks like you will accept, because there was no
history worth recording prior to the advent of the White man, and in any
event, negroes were illiterate until the White man brought them the
knowledge of writing.

> because otherwise it's painfully obvious that
> you make all of this up as you go along.  Clever of you to skip that bit
> of his post, but we're not -that- stupid.  Come on, African history.  Now.

Okey-dokey.  Cannibalism.  Infanticide.  Human sacrifice.  Tribal warfare.
 Stone-Age technology.  Magic substituting for medicine.  Shall I continue?

Les





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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> > In article <4nl170$9hh@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> >>> Les white 11 year olds can be rapists too,
> >>
> >>So where are the 11-year-old white rapists?
> >
> > If the boy was white he would still be a rapist. The color of a person's skin
> > has nothing to do with his character.
> 
> "If, if, if... ".  Simple fact is, though, that we're not talking about IF
> one 11-year-old rapist is black or white - there actually IS a black
> 11-year-old rapist out there.
> 
> Les

Yes, and there are probably young white rapists too. Not to mention the 
fact that all the child-molesters and serial killers (not counting 
Ferguson) tend to be white... Does that mean anything? Does that say 
something about white people??

eB


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Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) writes:
> In article <4nop43$9n3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) says:
>>
>>Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) writes:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> [Mary Shelley, author of Frankenstein]
> 
>>> It would seem she had a good perception of Jewry.  FrankenSTEIN makes a
>>> monster out of a multitude of bodies (MULTICULTURALISM).  The monster runs
>>> amok and is unable to be controlled by his master (TODAY'S SOCIETY).  It
>>> dies in the wastelands alongside his master (the eventual conclusion of
>>> multiculturalism, as so many previous civilisations have witnessed).
>>
>>Interesting analysis.  Would you say that Dr. Frankenstein was an almost
>>perfect representation of the modern liberal, with his neurotic need to
>>"show" everyone that he's right?
>>
> Quite possibly.  Afterall, liberals seem to want to change everything for
> the worse no matter the consequence.  The Baron of course was quite mad
> but he pretended to be sane, just like liberals today.
> 
>>> I could of course be reading too much into it, but Shelley did not like 
>>> Jews. 
>>
>>So, that means that we can expect a smear-campaign directed at Mary
>>Shelley to be geared up any time now.  Or perhaps the homos will now claim
>>that she was really a closeted dyke.
>>
> Ha ha.  
> 
> The queers will have to beat the Negroes first.  I'm sure Nelson Mendela
> will write another autobiography which will include more famous people 
> being Negro.  He did afterall assert that the pure Greek, Cleopatra, was 
> an "African Goddess."
> 
> Maybe we will also see a charge from the Chinks to claiming famous 
> personalities as well...

Surprisingly enough, the orientals don't go in much for that garbage.  It
seems to be chiefly the negroes who are foolish enough to play that game.

Les



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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> Lola Odusoga, the Nigerian-Finnish beauty who became Miss Finland a few
> months ago, was the second runner-up in the Miss Universe contest. In
> keeping with the temper of the times, this was not a mere
> bust-waist-hips-face competition, but rather one which focused on whether
> the external beauty of the contestant also correponded to personality, and
> overall intelligence.
 
In keeping with the temper of the times, Nigeria could have entered a
chimpanzee and it would have won.
 
Les
 
> 




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4nki3l$5cb@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>>>My question is this: if African nations refuse to let their brethren into
>>>>their countries, why the hell should we accept them?
>>> 
>>> Because our human rights record is much better then that of the African 
>>> countries.
>>
>>CTHULHU!!! That is SO racist!  The African countries simply express their
>>fellowship in a manner that is DIFFERENT than ours!  How elitist of you to
>>say that our human rights record is BETTER than theirs!
> 
> I was referring to the GOVERNMENTS of the African countries, which are 
> organizations. NOT the people. I'm sorry that I didn't make that explicitely 
> clear, since I expected that anyone with more intelligence than Les Griswold 
> would know that. 

But... but Cthulhu, the governments in Africa can't be separated from the
PEOPLE, in that it's the PEOPLE who set them up, and any inhumanity
^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H difference that they show to Western norms is just,
well, "difference".  It's impossible to rate them by Western standards, so
you can't really say that our human rights record is "better" than theirs
without being teminally racist.  They're just different, that's all.
 
> Would you like to have ANOTHER try at reversing an argument? That was 
> pathetic.

No argument reversed here, citizen.  Just the extension of yours to its
logical conclusion.

Les




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Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) writes:
> In article <4nj1qo$d3p@aphex.direct.ca>, patrickc@Direct.CA (Cthulhu) says:
> 
>>And I believe Mary Shelly had a few things to say about the main concept 
>>of racism, which is judging people by appearances.
> 
> Assumption 1:  That Mary Shelly is Mary Shelley, the author of 
> Frankenstein.
> 
> Assumption 2:  That you know the aforementioned individual hated Jews.
> 
> It would seem she had a good perception of Jewry.  FrankenSTEIN makes a
> monster out of a multitude of bodies (MULTICULTURALISM).  The monster runs
> amok and is unable to be controlled by his master (TODAY'S SOCIETY).  It
> dies in the wastelands alongside his master (the eventual conclusion of
> multiculturalism, as so many previous civilisations have witnessed).

Interesting analysis.  Would you say that Dr. Frankenstein was an almost
perfect representation of the modern liberal, with his neurotic need to
"show" everyone that he's right?

> I could of course be reading too much into it, but Shelley did not like 
> Jews. 

So, that means that we can expect a smear-campaign directed at Mary
Shelley to be geared up any time now.  Or perhaps the homos will now claim
that she was really a closeted dyke.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Derek Bell (dbell@maths.tcd.ie) writes:
> icsi@postoffice.ptd.net (Daryn P. Fleming) writes:
>>    I recently talked with some youngsters out of high school.  I asked 
>>them what they thought of homosexual marriages.  They replied they had 
>>no problem with the concept.  That made me think, "what is happening to 
>>our values and morals?
> 
> 	Tolerance is being seen as a virtue.

Qualified tolerance is a virtue.  Tolerance of just any old behaviour is
not a virtue.

>>Anything seems to go.
> 
> 	Try asking people what they think of paedophiles - almost nobody will
> tolerate them.

Hmm, similar to the situation that obtained with faggotry just a short
while ago.
 
>>I tried to make a case to the kids that homosexuality is a flagrant violation
>>of almost every known natural law and religious position.  
> 
> 	Define "natural law". Which religions?

Oh, for the love of...

Open any book on theology.  Look at the table of contents.

Les




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Hoping to forestall any starry-eyed liberal from misrepresenting the
so-called "Civil War", or Abraham Lincoln, I submit the following:

>From  _The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln_, edited by Roy P. Basler,
Rutgers University Press, 1953

IN A SPEECH AT PEORIA, ILLINOIS, OCTOBER 16, 1854:

"Free them [the Negroes], and make them politically and socially, our
equals?  My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we
well know that those of the great mass of White people will not.  Whether
this accords with justice and sound judgement, is not the sole question,
if indeed, it is any part of it.  A universal feeling, whether well or
ill-founded can not be safely disregarded." - Vol. II, p. 256.

IN AN ADDRESS AT SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, JUNE 26, 1857:

"A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation,
but as immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep
them apart where they are not already together... Such separation, if ever
effected at all, must be effected by colonization... The enterprise is a
difficult one, but 'where there is a will there is a way;' and what
colonization needs now is a hearty will.  Will springs from the two
elements of moral sense and self-interest.  Let us be brought to believe
it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or at least not
against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we
shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be." - Vol. II, 
pp. 408-9

IN A DEBATE WITH STEPHEN DOUGLAS AT OTTAWA, ILLINOIS, AUGUST 21, 1858:

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the
White and black races.  There is a physical difference between the two
which in my judgment, will forever forbid their living together upon the
footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that
there must be a difference, I am in favor of the race to which I belong
having the superior position." - Vol. III, p. 16

ON AUGUST 14, 1862, TO A "DEPUTATION OF FREE NEGROES", WHO CALLED ON HIM
AT THE WHITE HOUSE, HE SAID:

"You and we are different races.  We have between us a broader difference
than exists between almost any other races.  Whether it be right or wrong
I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage
to us both, as I think.  Your race suffer very greatly, many of them by
living among us, while ours suffer from your presence.  In a word, we
suffer on each side.  If this is admitted, it affords a reason why we
should be separated...

"... Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted
on any people.  But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far
removed from being placed on an equality with the White race... on this
broad continent, not a single man of your race is made the equal of a
single man of ours.  Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is
still upon you.

"... I cannot alter it if I would.  I need not recount to you the effects
upon White men, growing out of the institution of Slavery.  See our
present condition - the country engaged in war! - our White men cutting
one another's throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then
consider what we know to be the truth.  But for your race among us there
would be no war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for
you one way or the other... It is better for us both, therefore, to be
separated." - Vol. V, pp. 371-5

(On August 15, 1862, a law was passed appropriating $100,000 for freed
Negroes in the District of Columbia, and $500,000 for freed slaves in the
hands of the Army.  This was for colonization. - Vol. V, p. 370)

WHEN LINCOLN SIGNED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, HE SAID:

"I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue.

"My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan.  There is no room
for two distinct races of White men in America, much less for two distinct
races of Whites and blacks.

"I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the negro
into our social and political life as our equal...

"Within twenty years we can peacefully colonize the negro and give him our
language, literature, religion, and system of government under conditions
in which he can rise to the full measure of manhood.  This he can never do
here.  We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed, with
millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is
neither possible nor desirable." - Vol. V, pp. 371-5

Many illuminating quotes concerning Lincoln's view of negroes came out of his 
debates with Stephen Douglas, with whom he competed for the presidency. 
However, lest anyone come to the erroneous conclusion that Stephen Douglas
was some wild-eyed abolitionist, consider the following:

>From  _Race and Reason_, by Carleton Putnam, Public Affairs Press, 1967:

"Now I say to you, my fellow-citizens, that in my opinion the signers of
the Declaration [of Independence] had no reference to the Negro
whatsoever, when they declared all men to be created equal.  They desired
to express by that phrase White men, men of European birth and European
descent, and had no reference either to the Negro, the savage Indians, the
Fiji or the Malay... One great evidence that such was their understanding
is to be found in the fact that at that time every one of the thirteen
colonies was a slaveholding colony, every signer of the Declaration
represented a slaveholding constituency, and we know that no one of them
emancipated his slaves, much less offered citizenship to them, when they
signed the Declaration; and yet, if they intended to declare that the
Negro was the equal of the White man, and entitled by divine right to any
equality with him, they were bound, as honest men, that day and hour to
have put their Negroes on an equality with themselves..."

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>IN AN ADDRESS AT SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, JUNE 26, 1857:
> 
>>"A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation,
>>but as immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep
>>them apart where they are not already together... Such separation, if ever
>>effected at all, must be effected by colonization... The enterprise is a
>>difficult one, but 'where there is a will there is a way;' and what
>>colonization needs now is a hearty will.  Will springs from the two
>>elements of moral sense and self-interest.  Let us be brought to believe
>>it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or at least not
>>against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we
>>shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be." - Vol. II, 
>>pp. 408-9
> 
> So why didn't he deport them?

This guy named John Wilkes Booth got in the way of his plans by sort of
assassinating him.
 
(snip)

>>(On August 15, 1862, a law was passed appropriating $100,000 for freed
>>Negroes in the District of Columbia, and $500,000 for freed slaves in the
>>hands of the Army.  This was for colonization. - Vol. V, p. 370)
> 
> So why weren't there deportations?

See above, Mathy.

Les




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Subject: Now the Chinese (was: Liberian boat people...)
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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4npl9i$fh4@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>But... but Cthulhu, the governments in Africa can't be separated from the
>>PEOPLE, in that it's the PEOPLE who set them up, and 
> 
> Aaah. So the Russian Government before the Russian Revolution couldn't have 
> been separated from the Bolschevics that it ruled. Correct? 

Incorrect.  The Bolsheviks were jewish, or semitophiles.  Bolshevism was a
jewish movement.

> So the current government of China, which its citizens are fleeing en masses,
> can't be separated from its citizens. Correct?

Dat's wite, wabbit.  Watch what happens when orientals make a majority here.

Les




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Homosexuality is genetically caused, but any other behavioural abberation
is environmentally caused.  Put plainly, fags are born, but negro criminals 
are a product of "poverty" and the "legacy of slavery".

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 23 00:09:25 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Who controlled Hitler is the question
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 (csurzinski@infoave.net) writes:
>   By the way what the heck does Satan 
>> >got to do with Hitler?  Hitler wasn't even a devil worshiper.
>> 
>> Actually, Hitler was (by all outward appearance) a "follower" of
>> certain Teutonic religious tenets.  
> 
> You obviously have not done intense research and studied who, what, and from 
> whence Hitler came from or how he got into power.

Please, please tell us.  This should be good for a BIG hee-haw laugh.

Les






From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 23 00:09:26 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: An open answer (was: open letter to Les Griswold)
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zoo () writes:
> Les,
> Could you take a few paragraphs and tell us about yourself? Many of us
> normal readers, both black, white, jewish, etc. (I happen to be white
> but that does not matter) are very curious as to how your particular
> mental pathology evolved.

See, I don't consider myself to be possessed of a "mental pathology". 
Rather, I am convinced that the mental sickness is harboured by people
like you.

> Of primary interest would be your childhood, upbringing, etc. In particular,
> we are interested in how a person such as yourself came to espouse a
> philosphy which, to the reasonable and moral mind, is patently evil. 

Well, see, YOU consider anti-(White) racism to be indicative of a
"reasonable and moral mind".  I don't.  I consider it the sign of
extreme cowardice and pusillanimity.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 23 00:09:33 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: *sigh* here we go again (was: Kevin's honey)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), cruising on one of those
funny little cigarettes, writes: 
> In article <4nooqc$9jv@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), her Thorazine prescription
> * running low, writes:
> * 
> * (snip)
> * 
> * > Les has mentioned three categories: Aryan, White, and white. From some of
> * > his previous writings, I understand that:
> * 
> * Your ego is showing, luv. 
> 
> Les, you are lying. You don't want me to look through the Nichole Simpson
> era of my archives, do you? What the heck -- I'll do it just for fun.
> Strap on those running shoes, cockroach-boy, or prepare to eat your words.

Oh, go ahead, you deranged old bat.  I'll bet you're loving this, because
it's the most attention anyone's paid to you in... a long time, anyway. 
And you can probably convince yourself that it counts as MALE attention,
too. 

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu May 23 00:09:34 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Judasim vs. jewishness (was: Kevin's honey)
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : One can adopt the religion (i.e. Judaism), doofus.  That does NOT confer
> : racial status.
 
> The Nazis, on the other hand, lumped converts to Judaism with those
> born Jews and sent them to the showers together.

That's bullshit.  Anything to bolster the myth of the 6 million, right?

> Are you saying that Hitler was wrong?

I know that this will come as a shock to your two-dimensional liberal
mind, but Hitler was NOT a god of any sort.  He was human.  The fact that
he was right about a great many things does NOT mean that he was right
about EVERYTHING.  

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Another liberal two-sided belief
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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com), doing some furious 
backpeddaling to defend what he knows is an untenable position, writes: 
> In article <4nqjuq$okm@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :Homosexuality is genetically caused, but any other behavioural abberation
>   :is environmentally caused.  Put plainly, fags are born, but negro criminals 
>   :are a product of "poverty" and the "legacy of slavery".
> 
> People are born right- or left- handed, but aquire the ability to drive
> and an afinity for certain kinds of music. Some behavioral traits are
> inherited, and others are learned.

Obviously.  But why is there such a brou-ha-ha when someone suggests that
certain traits MIGHT be genetically linked, such as criminality, low IQ,
laziness, etc?  A thorough investigation would be the quickest way to take
the steam out of any "racist" arguments, _non_?
 
Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: What is this group about?
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Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
> Michael Kurt Rose (rose@gould.pvt.k12.me.us) wrote:
> : Hello, I'd like to know what this group is about.  Is this a racist, 
> : close-minded group made up of bigots, or is it a place to intelligently 
> : diccuss "white power" and racism?  Please no flames, I'm only curious.
> 
>     From my limited experience here, it seems to be the former.

Yes, the liberals ARE pretty close-minded and bigotted, but we keep hoping
that intelligent people will see through their squawking.

Les




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Subject: Re: Frankenstein as allegory (was: racial supremacists need to get a life)
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Race traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> 1 - do you believe that Cleopatra was Greek?

Yep.  Are you gonna tell me, based on "Ripley's Believe It Or Not", that
she was a sauced-lips?
 
> 2 - do you think that who is the dominant society, race, culture in any 
> age has any impact on what type of history is written and how it is 
> skewed to better facilitate and represent the values and goals of the 
> dominant society??

I should certainly hope so.  But more importantly, it should be asked,
whenever a vicious little upstart like you tries to play this game, WHY is
the dominant group, dominant?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Nigerian-Finn Lola Odusoga places third in Miss Universe pageant
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> : > Lola Odusoga, the Nigerian-Finnish beauty who became Miss Finland a few
> : > months ago, was the second runner-up in the Miss Universe contest. In
> : > keeping with the temper of the times, this was not a mere
> : > bust-waist-hips-face competition, but rather one which focused on whether
> : > the external beauty of the contestant also correponded to personality, and
> : > overall intelligence.
> :  
> : In keeping with the temper of the times, Nigeria could have entered a
> : chimpanzee and it would have won.
> 
> Les, Les, Les. Your reading comprehension is way down.
> Nowhere does Mr Holman say that Nigeria's entrant won.
> Ms Odusoga was Miss Finland. She came in second.

Well, colour ME embarrassed!  But, you knew to whom I was referring. 
Typical liberal:  willing to overlook the important things to haggle over
what is essentially unimportant.

Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Nigerian-Finn Lola Odusoga places third in Miss Universe pageant
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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> In article <4nplht$fiv@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
>> > Lola Odusoga, the Nigerian-Finnish beauty who became Miss Finland a few
>> > months ago, was the second runner-up in the Miss Universe contest. In
>> > keeping with the temper of the times, this was not a mere
>> > bust-waist-hips-face competition, but rather one which focused on whether
>> > the external beauty of the contestant also correponded to personality, and
>> > overall intelligence.
>>  
>> In keeping with the temper of the times, Nigeria could have entered a
>> chimpanzee and it would have won.
> 
> Some people are ready to deprecate the achievements of anybody if they do
> not accord with their racist view of the world. I suppose you consider
> Lola Odusoga's success in the pageant to have been due to affirmative
> action, a desire on the part of the judges to be politically correct and
> supportive, and the shock value of seeing an obviously brown-skinned young
> lady representing as 'white' a country as Finland, 

Essentially, yes.  You're pretty bright, Eugene; it's a shame you have to
blow it in the next half of the sentence.

> rather than to her intelligence, poise, and personality. 

Yak yak yak.  So, beauty paegants are "exploitive", except when they promote 
your sick values.  Then they're significant.  Go pitch that one on 
alt.feminism, see how far you get.

Les




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Subject: Re: Negroes aren't primitive? Certainly less so than Paul Whitehouse
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Dave King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> hemicuda (Hemicuda@cris.com) wrote:
> : On 19 May 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> : > Okey-dokey.  Cannibalism.  Infanticide.  Human sacrifice.  Tribal 
> : > warfare.  Stone-Age technology.  Magic substituting for medicine.  
> : > Shall I continue? 
> 
> : And, sadly, more: slavery and slave trade, male circumcision, female
> : genital mutilation, necklacing in its present and past incarnations,
> : despotism and military dictatorship, collapse of Western colonial in-
> : frastructure upon departure of Westerners, turf-wars (as in Somalia,
> : Liberia, etc.), high hetero AIDS rate due to infidelity. 
> 
> This is slightly more accurate than the Les edition.  But still.  Slavery 
> is everyone's problem at this point.  Male circumcision - buh, that's 
> common.  Female mutilation is more of a Muslim thing than an African 
> thing, and, y'know, as Les has taken such pains to point out to us in the 
> past, the Muslims and the Negroes are two very different categories of 
> people.  So he says.  The administrative problems you cite weren't even 
> an issue before the alien colonial structure was installed and removed 
> again.  You're left with necklacing and some AIDS statistics.  This is 
> hardly a complete summary of African history to compete with the version 
> anthropologists agree upon, which is what we were looking for from Les here.

Which anthropologists, Davey boy?

> I know you think of any mention of Africa as "time to bring out the list 
> of primitive practices," but this time we actually do have a point and 
> this isn't it.

One cannot mention pre-colonial Africa without mentioning primitive
practices, Stewie/Dave.  Sorry to burst your liberal bubble, but the two
go hand-in-hand.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4ntr46$ntn@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> * That's bullshit.  Anything to bolster the myth of the 6 million, right?
> 
> You've finally painted yourself into a corner, Les. How are you going to
> extricate yourself this time?
> 
> _____ Lie your way out.
> _____ State that you were misquoted.
> _____ Disappear for awhile hoping that nobody will notice.
> _____ Throw up the irrelevant diversion.
> _____ Fall back on the ol'ad hominem "neener, neener" attack.
> _____ Beat your head against the wall until you create a window to escape.
> 
> We're watching, schnitzel-boy. What are you going to do now?

Keep watching, you crazy old bat.  I haven't "painted [myself]" into any
corner.  The hollow-cause is just a bunch of bullshit.  How have I said
otherwise?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > We differ on the importance of inventions to culture.  You can have a 
> : > dynamic and valuable culture that isn't centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things.  
> 
> : Wotta cop-out!
> 
> : Well, name one, then.
> 
> Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> inventing things."

Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
(gun powder, printing).
 
> : Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that a bunch
> : of negroes happily wasting away the day sitting idly by the dirt road are 
> : "different but equal" to an inventive, creative, dynamic race?
> 
> Well if you put it that way we'll just have to fight with limp asparagus 
> until... until it melts.
> 
> I've tried to explain African culture to you before and you refuse to 
> accept any of my examples or references, so I don't see the point in 
> continuing the discussion.

Yes, I refuse to accept any happy crap that you try to pass off as "real"
history.
 
Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> 
>>(snip)
> 
>>> You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
>>> Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
>>> wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
>>> That is to say: white.
> 
>>Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
>>India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
>>surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
>>liberal pokes his snout here.
> 
> Actually, Leslie, you have it backwards.  The Dravs were there first,
> and the Aryans invaded from the north.  

Where did I say ANYTHING about who was there first?  Typical jew:  you try
to sidetrack the issue.

> But the REAL question is: what race are Dravidians?  They're not Negros...

They're not white, and they're CERTAINLY not Aryan.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>> Actually, Leslie, you have it backwards.  The Dravs were there first,
>>> and the Aryans invaded from the north.  
> 
>>Where did I say ANYTHING about who was there first?  Typical jew:  you try
>>to sidetrack the issue.
> 
>>> But the REAL question is: what race are Dravidians?  They're not Negros...
> 
>>They're not white, and they're CERTAINLY not Aryan.
> 
> You haven't answered the question, Herr Oberschneezwergfuhrer.  But this
> is hardly surprising.  I have another couple for you.  Are "white"
> and "Aryan" both races?  If so, how are they related to one another?  I mean,
> is "Aryan" a subgroup of "white"?  Or something totally different from
> "white"?  Or have you now decided that "Aryan" is a race but "white" is
> something else?

Fester, you're too stupid for words.

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4nj0o0$3e9@umbc9.umbc.edu>, akotov1@umbc.edu (Alexandre Kotov) wrote:

(snip)

>>Stewart, you would agree that what makes humans different from animals is
>>use of tools (among other things). Certainly, you will not deny that homo
>>sapiens is superior to chimpanzee. Chimpanzee uses stick to protect his
>>family from enemies. Humans first used sharp stones for the same purpose.
>>Then Europeans invented the rifle, a much more efficient weapon. ICBM and
>>hydrogen bomb were soon to follow.  
>>
>>Well, judging by your statements, you might very well insist that pan
>>troglodytes is not inferior. You can teach a chimp to eat with a spoon, to
>>wear clothes, to use toilet. Chimp can even be taught to coherently answer
>>simple questions using the sign language. Many human beings do not do much
>>more then that. Why, therefore, chimps living in the wild who do not
>>possess these skills are simply unlucky. They are not inferior at all, it's
>>their culture! 
> 
> Typical white-supremacist bullshit, equating black people with chimps.

Hmm.  NOWHERE did I read any mention of negroes, except in the title.  So
how, pray tell, did you come to the conclusion that black folk were being
discussed?

Les



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Dave King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> : > It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> : > definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things."
> 
> : Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
> : emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
> : that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
> : (gun powder, printing).
> 
> The Chinese invented some useful stuff, sure, and they probably could 
> have done a lot more if that was their net goal.  The Europeans have 
> invented more things and conquered more of the world because that's what 
> they've decided to spend their time on.  

Geez, you liberals never stop being amazing.  You get all hoity-toity when
the idea of a bunch of JEWS conspiring to run the world is brought up, yet
the idea seems perfectly credible to you when it's Europeans we're talking
about.

Les




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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4nhh33$8si@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
>   :edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
>   :
>   :"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
>   :of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
>   :tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
>   :novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
>   :ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
>   :whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
>   :legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
>   :thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
>   :the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
>   :Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
>   :evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
>   :What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
>   :an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
>   :their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
>   :North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
>   :number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
>   :and Gaucher's."
> 
> Once again, you have trotted this quote out. If there is any point to it,
> I can only see three possibilities:
> 
> (1) The old saw of calling jews "Khazars," a favorite in the white-power
> community, is wholly invalid.

It's not a favourite of mine.  A jew is a jew is a jew.
 
> (2) The Jews somehow picked up 5-10% black genes from the ancient
> Egyptians, who, Les insists, were not black.

Of course, Andy-panda has ignored, YET AGAIN, my comment about slaves.
 
> (3) Jews exhibit a certain degree of genetic homogenaity. I am not aware
> of anyone questioning this assertion.

So that makes them different, which blows a BIG hole in the liberal
argument about "Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race!"

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), her Thorazine prescription running 
low, writes:

(snip)

> Les has mentioned three categories: Aryan, White, and white. From some of
> his previous writings, I understand that:

Your ego is showing, luv.  You couldn't understand a boot in the ass.
 
Les



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 (csurzinski@infoave.net) writes:
>   By the way what the heck does Satan 
>> >got to do with Hitler?  Hitler wasn't even a devil worshiper.
>> 
>> Actually, Hitler was (by all outward appearance) a "follower" of
>> certain Teutonic religious tenets.  
> 
> You obviously have not done intense research and studied who, what, and from 
> whence Hitler came from or how he got into power.

Please, please tell us.  This should be good for a BIG hee-haw laugh.

Les






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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), cruising on one of those
funny little cigarettes, writes: 
> In article <4nooqc$9jv@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), her Thorazine prescription
> * running low, writes:
> * 
> * (snip)
> * 
> * > Les has mentioned three categories: Aryan, White, and white. From some of
> * > his previous writings, I understand that:
> * 
> * Your ego is showing, luv. 
> 
> Les, you are lying. You don't want me to look through the Nichole Simpson
> era of my archives, do you? What the heck -- I'll do it just for fun.
> Strap on those running shoes, cockroach-boy, or prepare to eat your words.

Oh, go ahead, you deranged old bat.  I'll bet you're loving this, because
it's the most attention anyone's paid to you in... a long time, anyway. 
And you can probably convince yourself that it counts as MALE attention,
too. 

Les




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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : One can adopt the religion (i.e. Judaism), doofus.  That does NOT confer
> : racial status.
 
> The Nazis, on the other hand, lumped converts to Judaism with those
> born Jews and sent them to the showers together.

That's bullshit.  Anything to bolster the myth of the 6 million, right?

> Are you saying that Hitler was wrong?

I know that this will come as a shock to your two-dimensional liberal
mind, but Hitler was NOT a god of any sort.  He was human.  The fact that
he was right about a great many things does NOT mean that he was right
about EVERYTHING.  

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Today in the _Ottawa Sun_, there was a report about an 11-year-old rapist,
who was reminding the cops about the fact that they couldn't charge him
with JACK SHIT since he was only 11.  This rapist was a negro, of course. 

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > We differ on the importance of inventions to culture.  You can have a 
> : > dynamic and valuable culture that isn't centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things.  
> 
> : Wotta cop-out!
> 
> : Well, name one, then.
> 
> Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> inventing things."

Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
(gun powder, printing).
 
> : Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that a bunch
> : of negroes happily wasting away the day sitting idly by the dirt road are 
> : "different but equal" to an inventive, creative, dynamic race?
> 
> Well if you put it that way we'll just have to fight with limp asparagus 
> until... until it melts.
> 
> I've tried to explain African culture to you before and you refuse to 
> accept any of my examples or references, so I don't see the point in 
> continuing the discussion.

Yes, I refuse to accept any happy crap that you try to pass off as "real"
history.
 
Les




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Seems that a lot of people are very touchy over the subject of 11-year-old
rapists, especially when it's revealed that the rapist in question is a
negro.  I wonder why... could it be that they can't really come up with
any sort of refutation?

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
> 
>>(snip)
> 
>>> You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
>>> Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
>>> wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
>>> That is to say: white.
> 
>>Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
>>India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
>>surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
>>liberal pokes his snout here.
> 
> Actually, Leslie, you have it backwards.  The Dravs were there first,
> and the Aryans invaded from the north.  

Where did I say ANYTHING about who was there first?  Typical jew:  you try
to sidetrack the issue.

> But the REAL question is: what race are Dravidians?  They're not Negros...

They're not white, and they're CERTAINLY not Aryan.

Les




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"Thomas J. Penton" (afn45350@afn.org) writes:
> On 18 May 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> Today in the _Ottawa Sun_, there was a report about an 11-year-old rapist,
>> who was reminding the cops about the fact that they couldn't charge him
>> with JACK SHIT since he was only 11.  This rapist was a negro, of course. 

> Les white 11 year olds can be rapists too, 

So where are the 11-year-old white rapists?

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>> Actually, Leslie, you have it backwards.  The Dravs were there first,
>>> and the Aryans invaded from the north.  
> 
>>Where did I say ANYTHING about who was there first?  Typical jew:  you try
>>to sidetrack the issue.
> 
>>> But the REAL question is: what race are Dravidians?  They're not Negros...
> 
>>They're not white, and they're CERTAINLY not Aryan.
> 
> You haven't answered the question, Herr Oberschneezwergfuhrer.  But this
> is hardly surprising.  I have another couple for you.  Are "white"
> and "Aryan" both races?  If so, how are they related to one another?  I mean,
> is "Aryan" a subgroup of "white"?  Or something totally different from
> "white"?  Or have you now decided that "Aryan" is a race but "white" is
> something else?

Fester, you're too stupid for words.

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4nj0o0$3e9@umbc9.umbc.edu>, akotov1@umbc.edu (Alexandre Kotov) wrote:

(snip)

>>Stewart, you would agree that what makes humans different from animals is
>>use of tools (among other things). Certainly, you will not deny that homo
>>sapiens is superior to chimpanzee. Chimpanzee uses stick to protect his
>>family from enemies. Humans first used sharp stones for the same purpose.
>>Then Europeans invented the rifle, a much more efficient weapon. ICBM and
>>hydrogen bomb were soon to follow.  
>>
>>Well, judging by your statements, you might very well insist that pan
>>troglodytes is not inferior. You can teach a chimp to eat with a spoon, to
>>wear clothes, to use toilet. Chimp can even be taught to coherently answer
>>simple questions using the sign language. Many human beings do not do much
>>more then that. Why, therefore, chimps living in the wild who do not
>>possess these skills are simply unlucky. They are not inferior at all, it's
>>their culture! 
> 
> Typical white-supremacist bullshit, equating black people with chimps.

Hmm.  NOWHERE did I read any mention of negroes, except in the title.  So
how, pray tell, did you come to the conclusion that black folk were being
discussed?

Les



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The latest foo-fer-aw in the 11-year-old rapist's case is that his mother
is now coming out and saying that the police are out to "get" her son. 
Gee, why am I not surprised that the "persecution" angle is being played now?

Les



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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4nl170$9hh@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)
>>> Les white 11 year olds can be rapists too, 
>>
>>So where are the 11-year-old white rapists?
> 
> If the boy was white he would still be a rapist. The color of a person's skin 
> has nothing to do with his character.

"If, if, if... ".  Simple fact is, though, that we're not talking about IF
one 11-year-old rapist is black or white - there actually IS a black
11-year-old rapist out there.

Les




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Dave King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> 
> : > Well, China hasn't historically emphasized pure science nearly so much.  
> : > It's difficult to think of examples you'll accept, though, because your 
> : > definition of a valuable culture is "one centered around technology and 
> : > inventing things."
> 
> : Amazing.  China all of a sudden is a culture that "hasn't historically
> : emphasized pure science", but it (China) is ALWAYS mentioned as a culture
> : that is a) non-White, and b) that contributed mightily to civilization
> : (gun powder, printing).
> 
> The Chinese invented some useful stuff, sure, and they probably could 
> have done a lot more if that was their net goal.  The Europeans have 
> invented more things and conquered more of the world because that's what 
> they've decided to spend their time on.  

Geez, you liberals never stop being amazing.  You get all hoity-toity when
the idea of a bunch of JEWS conspiring to run the world is brought up, yet
the idea seems perfectly credible to you when it's Europeans we're talking
about.

Les




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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4nhh33$8si@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
>   :edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
>   :
>   :"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
>   :of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
>   :tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
>   :novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
>   :ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
>   :whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
>   :legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
>   :thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
>   :the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
>   :Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
>   :evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
>   :What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
>   :an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
>   :their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
>   :North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
>   :number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
>   :and Gaucher's."
> 
> Once again, you have trotted this quote out. If there is any point to it,
> I can only see three possibilities:
> 
> (1) The old saw of calling jews "Khazars," a favorite in the white-power
> community, is wholly invalid.

It's not a favourite of mine.  A jew is a jew is a jew.
 
> (2) The Jews somehow picked up 5-10% black genes from the ancient
> Egyptians, who, Les insists, were not black.

Of course, Andy-panda has ignored, YET AGAIN, my comment about slaves.
 
> (3) Jews exhibit a certain degree of genetic homogenaity. I am not aware
> of anyone questioning this assertion.

So that makes them different, which blows a BIG hole in the liberal
argument about "Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race!"

Les




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Race-traitor evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> Yes, and there are probably young white rapists too. 

So where are they?

> Not to mention the fact that all the child-molesters and serial killers (not
> counting Ferguson) tend to be white... 

Ah, white like Richard Ramirez or that guy in Atlanta, Georgia who offed
28 or so negro children?

> Does that mean anything? Does that say something about white people??

No, but your "argument", such as it is, reveals that you are a massive idiot.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), her Thorazine prescription running 
low, writes:

(snip)

> Les has mentioned three categories: Aryan, White, and white. From some of
> his previous writings, I understand that:

Your ego is showing, luv.  You couldn't understand a boot in the ass.
 
Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
>>Andrew Mathis wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope you die.
>>> 
>>> Love,
>>> Andrew
>>> 
> 
>>What a believer in and practitioner of, free and open debate! What 
>>a light to the nations! What a fighter against hate and 
>>intolerance! 
> 
>>Andrew, I had such high hopes for you. And you are exceeding them every 
>>day!
> 
> You're a late player in this little game, Kevvie.  See, Richard
> Butler, the head of Aryan Nations, believes all of us JOOS should be
> killed.  I'm just returnin' the hate, see?  THEY started it, not me.

Funny, that.  Mathis and his ilk constantly complain about "anti-semitism", 
but anti-semitism is, more and more, being seen as a reasonable reaction
to semitism, i.e. the regular practices of jews.

Les



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Susan Marie Groppi (groppi@hcs.HARVARD.EDU) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Geez, you liberals never stop being amazing.  You get all hoity-toity when
> : the idea of a bunch of JEWS conspiring to run the world is brought up, yet
> : the idea seems perfectly credible to you when it's Europeans we're talking
> : about.
> 
> Right.  Les, I believe Dave requested that you provide some legitimate
> sources on African history, 

Oh, for crying out loud...

Groppi-inna-dark, there ARE no "legitimate sources on African history", at
least none that liberal dinks like you will accept, because there was no
history worth recording prior to the advent of the White man, and in any
event, negroes were illiterate until the White man brought them the
knowledge of writing.

> because otherwise it's painfully obvious that
> you make all of this up as you go along.  Clever of you to skip that bit
> of his post, but we're not -that- stupid.  Come on, African history.  Now.

Okey-dokey.  Cannibalism.  Infanticide.  Human sacrifice.  Tribal warfare.
 Stone-Age technology.  Magic substituting for medicine.  Shall I continue?

Les





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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> > In article <4nl170$9hh@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> >>> Les white 11 year olds can be rapists too,
> >>
> >>So where are the 11-year-old white rapists?
> >
> > If the boy was white he would still be a rapist. The color of a person's skin
> > has nothing to do with his character.
> 
> "If, if, if... ".  Simple fact is, though, that we're not talking about IF
> one 11-year-old rapist is black or white - there actually IS a black
> 11-year-old rapist out there.
> 
> Les

Yes, and there are probably young white rapists too. Not to mention the 
fact that all the child-molesters and serial killers (not counting 
Ferguson) tend to be white... Does that mean anything? Does that say 
something about white people??

eB


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Hoping to forestall any starry-eyed liberal from misrepresenting the
so-called "Civil War", or Abraham Lincoln, I submit the following:

>From  _The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln_, edited by Roy P. Basler,
Rutgers University Press, 1953

IN A SPEECH AT PEORIA, ILLINOIS, OCTOBER 16, 1854:

"Free them [the Negroes], and make them politically and socially, our
equals?  My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we
well know that those of the great mass of White people will not.  Whether
this accords with justice and sound judgement, is not the sole question,
if indeed, it is any part of it.  A universal feeling, whether well or
ill-founded can not be safely disregarded." - Vol. II, p. 256.

IN AN ADDRESS AT SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, JUNE 26, 1857:

"A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation,
but as immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep
them apart where they are not already together... Such separation, if ever
effected at all, must be effected by colonization... The enterprise is a
difficult one, but 'where there is a will there is a way;' and what
colonization needs now is a hearty will.  Will springs from the two
elements of moral sense and self-interest.  Let us be brought to believe
it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or at least not
against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we
shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be." - Vol. II, 
pp. 408-9

IN A DEBATE WITH STEPHEN DOUGLAS AT OTTAWA, ILLINOIS, AUGUST 21, 1858:

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the
White and black races.  There is a physical difference between the two
which in my judgment, will forever forbid their living together upon the
footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that
there must be a difference, I am in favor of the race to which I belong
having the superior position." - Vol. III, p. 16

ON AUGUST 14, 1862, TO A "DEPUTATION OF FREE NEGROES", WHO CALLED ON HIM
AT THE WHITE HOUSE, HE SAID:

"You and we are different races.  We have between us a broader difference
than exists between almost any other races.  Whether it be right or wrong
I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage
to us both, as I think.  Your race suffer very greatly, many of them by
living among us, while ours suffer from your presence.  In a word, we
suffer on each side.  If this is admitted, it affords a reason why we
should be separated...

"... Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted
on any people.  But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far
removed from being placed on an equality with the White race... on this
broad continent, not a single man of your race is made the equal of a
single man of ours.  Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is
still upon you.

"... I cannot alter it if I would.  I need not recount to you the effects
upon White men, growing out of the institution of Slavery.  See our
present condition - the country engaged in war! - our White men cutting
one another's throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then
consider what we know to be the truth.  But for your race among us there
would be no war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for
you one way or the other... It is better for us both, therefore, to be
separated." - Vol. V, pp. 371-5

(On August 15, 1862, a law was passed appropriating $100,000 for freed
Negroes in the District of Columbia, and $500,000 for freed slaves in the
hands of the Army.  This was for colonization. - Vol. V, p. 370)

WHEN LINCOLN SIGNED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, HE SAID:

"I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue.

"My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan.  There is no room
for two distinct races of White men in America, much less for two distinct
races of Whites and blacks.

"I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the negro
into our social and political life as our equal...

"Within twenty years we can peacefully colonize the negro and give him our
language, literature, religion, and system of government under conditions
in which he can rise to the full measure of manhood.  This he can never do
here.  We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed, with
millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is
neither possible nor desirable." - Vol. V, pp. 371-5

Many illuminating quotes concerning Lincoln's view of negroes came out of his 
debates with Stephen Douglas, with whom he competed for the presidency. 
However, lest anyone come to the erroneous conclusion that Stephen Douglas
was some wild-eyed abolitionist, consider the following:

>From  _Race and Reason_, by Carleton Putnam, Public Affairs Press, 1967:

"Now I say to you, my fellow-citizens, that in my opinion the signers of
the Declaration [of Independence] had no reference to the Negro
whatsoever, when they declared all men to be created equal.  They desired
to express by that phrase White men, men of European birth and European
descent, and had no reference either to the Negro, the savage Indians, the
Fiji or the Malay... One great evidence that such was their understanding
is to be found in the fact that at that time every one of the thirteen
colonies was a slaveholding colony, every signer of the Declaration
represented a slaveholding constituency, and we know that no one of them
emancipated his slaves, much less offered citizenship to them, when they
signed the Declaration; and yet, if they intended to declare that the
Negro was the equal of the White man, and entitled by divine right to any
equality with him, they were bound, as honest men, that day and hour to
have put their Negroes on an equality with themselves..."

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>IN AN ADDRESS AT SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, JUNE 26, 1857:
> 
>>"A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation,
>>but as immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep
>>them apart where they are not already together... Such separation, if ever
>>effected at all, must be effected by colonization... The enterprise is a
>>difficult one, but 'where there is a will there is a way;' and what
>>colonization needs now is a hearty will.  Will springs from the two
>>elements of moral sense and self-interest.  Let us be brought to believe
>>it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or at least not
>>against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we
>>shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be." - Vol. II, 
>>pp. 408-9
> 
> So why didn't he deport them?

This guy named John Wilkes Booth got in the way of his plans by sort of
assassinating him.
 
(snip)

>>(On August 15, 1862, a law was passed appropriating $100,000 for freed
>>Negroes in the District of Columbia, and $500,000 for freed slaves in the
>>hands of the Army.  This was for colonization. - Vol. V, p. 370)
> 
> So why weren't there deportations?

See above, Mathy.

Les




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 (csurzinski@infoave.net) writes:
>   By the way what the heck does Satan 
>> >got to do with Hitler?  Hitler wasn't even a devil worshiper.
>> 
>> Actually, Hitler was (by all outward appearance) a "follower" of
>> certain Teutonic religious tenets.  
> 
> You obviously have not done intense research and studied who, what, and from 
> whence Hitler came from or how he got into power.

Please, please tell us.  This should be good for a BIG hee-haw laugh.

Les






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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), cruising on one of those
funny little cigarettes, writes: 
> In article <4nooqc$9jv@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Psycho Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com), her Thorazine prescription
> * running low, writes:
> * 
> * (snip)
> * 
> * > Les has mentioned three categories: Aryan, White, and white. From some of
> * > his previous writings, I understand that:
> * 
> * Your ego is showing, luv. 
> 
> Les, you are lying. You don't want me to look through the Nichole Simpson
> era of my archives, do you? What the heck -- I'll do it just for fun.
> Strap on those running shoes, cockroach-boy, or prepare to eat your words.

Oh, go ahead, you deranged old bat.  I'll bet you're loving this, because
it's the most attention anyone's paid to you in... a long time, anyway. 
And you can probably convince yourself that it counts as MALE attention,
too. 

Les




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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : One can adopt the religion (i.e. Judaism), doofus.  That does NOT confer
> : racial status.
 
> The Nazis, on the other hand, lumped converts to Judaism with those
> born Jews and sent them to the showers together.

That's bullshit.  Anything to bolster the myth of the 6 million, right?

> Are you saying that Hitler was wrong?

I know that this will come as a shock to your two-dimensional liberal
mind, but Hitler was NOT a god of any sort.  He was human.  The fact that
he was right about a great many things does NOT mean that he was right
about EVERYTHING.  

Les




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Dave King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> hemicuda (Hemicuda@cris.com) wrote:
> : On 19 May 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> : > Okey-dokey.  Cannibalism.  Infanticide.  Human sacrifice.  Tribal 
> : > warfare.  Stone-Age technology.  Magic substituting for medicine.  
> : > Shall I continue? 
> 
> : And, sadly, more: slavery and slave trade, male circumcision, female
> : genital mutilation, necklacing in its present and past incarnations,
> : despotism and military dictatorship, collapse of Western colonial in-
> : frastructure upon departure of Westerners, turf-wars (as in Somalia,
> : Liberia, etc.), high hetero AIDS rate due to infidelity. 
> 
> This is slightly more accurate than the Les edition.  But still.  Slavery 
> is everyone's problem at this point.  Male circumcision - buh, that's 
> common.  Female mutilation is more of a Muslim thing than an African 
> thing, and, y'know, as Les has taken such pains to point out to us in the 
> past, the Muslims and the Negroes are two very different categories of 
> people.  So he says.  The administrative problems you cite weren't even 
> an issue before the alien colonial structure was installed and removed 
> again.  You're left with necklacing and some AIDS statistics.  This is 
> hardly a complete summary of African history to compete with the version 
> anthropologists agree upon, which is what we were looking for from Les here.

Which anthropologists, Davey boy?

> I know you think of any mention of Africa as "time to bring out the list 
> of primitive practices," but this time we actually do have a point and 
> this isn't it.

One cannot mention pre-colonial Africa without mentioning primitive
practices, Stewie/Dave.  Sorry to burst your liberal bubble, but the two
go hand-in-hand.

Les




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Jerry N. Alexandratos (alexandr@ncifcrf.gov) writes:
> In article <4n0kr2$23g@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> (Les Griswold) writes:
>>Stewart King (slking@course2.harvard.edu) writes:

>>> ...  Furthermore, unless you think of people as simple animal populations 
>>> you should respect their right to flonk whom they choose, consensually 
>>> speaking.
>>
>>Unless you think of children as simple animals, you shouldn't stop them
>>from exploring their environment, even if such exploration entails
>>sticking his/her tongue on an electrical socket.

(snip)

> Les:  Keeping a child fro life-threatening harm *is* important.  However,
> an adult falling in love with, marrying, and having children with another
> adult doesn't qualify as life-threatening harm. 

No, it's RACE threatening harm.

> Most people I know would say it's rather nice, in fact. 

Who cares?

Les




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Mr J.S. Muschell (J.S.Muschell@liv.ac.uk) writes:
> fides diggin (bfinch@cp.duluth.mn.us) wrote:
> 
> : I have always stated to my friends that there is nothing wrong 
> : with people who are gay. That is just their sexual preference and 
> : none of my business. However, I find a conflict of mission 
> : readiness when their are allowed openly gay men or women in the 
> : military. Bias' exist, and when the chips are down and weapons 
> : are firing, god bless the soul who other soldiers have a bias 
> : against. It doesn't fit in a combat situation. Period.
> 
> If you are concerned that gay men - because they will be attracted to other
> men in their unit - will somehow be distracted under fire, I think that is
> total nonsense.
> 
> How do you feel about women serving in combat situations?  Wouldn't women
> be attracted to men in their unit, and therefore suffer from the same 
> distractions?
> 
> There are plenty of examples of women serving valiantly in combat situations
> alongside men - e.g. Israel, Eritrea, etc.  Why wouldn't this be the same
> for gay men?

You may feel that you have "logically" won the argument, but the men who
will actually have to serve with the homos in the trenches are going to
view them CONSIDERABLY different than you do.

Les



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Steven D. Sybesma (sybesma@netcom.com) writes:
> You know, when I first heard about this I didn't appreciate the 
> seriousness of it until I put myself in the parents' position.
> 
> If this happened to my little girl (I don't have kids yet), I'd be darn near 
> tempted to disassemble that school principal's office and his face.

This reminds me of something rather heartening that happened up here in
Ontario, I THINK it was in Cornwall, but I'm not sure...

Anyway, this father found out from his son that he (the son) had been
molested by his school principal, so he grabbed a baseball bat, and went
and knee-capped the guy.  He got six months in prison, and I believe that
one of his parole conditions was "counselling" (of course!)
 
> I'm really getting sick and tired of the rampant socialism that is the 
> basis for the 'we know what's better for you' attitude.
> 
> It can be found EVERYWHERE the Federal government exerts influence.
> -- 
> *---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> |****Steven D. Sybesma**Post Office Box 31456**Aurora, CO 80041-0456 USA****|
> |           ****************Phone  1-303-363-6417****************           |
> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |Freedom and Liberty weren't invented here.  We simply copied them from God.|
> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |The aim of socialism is for mankind to divorce itself from reliance on God.|
> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> | Trading your rights for promises of peace and security is like trusting a |
> |stranger to sleep with your wife and believing nothing immoral will happen.|
> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |     To hell with 4 cents a gallon.  I'd rather have the right to work.    |
> *---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> 




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Walter Ulrich (e142857@teleport.com) writes:
>>   bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>     [snip]
> 
>>  This reminds me of something rather heartening that happened up here in
>>  Ontario, I THINK it was in Cornwall, but I'm not sure...
> 
>>  Anyway, this father found out from his son that he (the son) had been
>>  molested by his school principal, so he grabbed a baseball bat, and went
>>  and knee-capped the guy.  He got six months in prison, and I believe that
>>  one of his parole conditions was "counselling" (of course!)
> 
>    [snip]
> 
>>>>>
> 
> Well, sheeeeit! I wish I'd thought of that as a kid. Boy did I have several
> teachers who "molested" me and sorely were in need of knee-capping!
> 
> Ummm, what >proof< was there that the principal had indeed molested
> the son? Semen, pubic hair, an article of clothing, a witness, a confirmed
> window of opportunity, anything? Or just the say-so of someone who may
> have hated the principal? The idea that children do not lie or cannot be
> made to fabricate totally false testimony is absurd (see the McMartin Day
> School trial). Mere verbal accusation just doesn't cut it.

No, you're right, verbal accusation ALONE doesn't cut it.  This story
occurred two years ago (summer of '94), and was not given very extensive
coverage in the press, except to report on the sentencing.  As little
information as possible was given about the molestation; rather, the press
seemed to want to concentrate on the fact that the father had assaulted
someone.  They only reported on the molestation because the "loony white
male" theory wouldn't have flown.

Les




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"J. Mickelson" (skey@televar.com) writes:
> I just thought I'd start this threat in response to the "What is your 
> view on women in the military?" one. I'm sure it has been around already, 
> but I'll assume we have some new people subscribing to this newsgroup 
> since then.

It's a dumb idea.
 
> I believe that women can be very capable in most military applications, 
> including combat. Many countries not only allow women into combat, but 
> some also draft them (Israel is one of these countries). While it is well 
> known that women are more emotional than men, training would weed out 
> those who are too emotional to be in combat. There are a sizable amount 
> of women out there that are level-headed amount to be in combat.
> 
> A major problem with the viability of women in combat, IMHO, is that most
> American women are taught since birth to be docile and over-emotional. I 
> think this is changing, however, as people are becoming more rational and 
> less traditional about raising their children.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

You can say THAT again!  Why, read the string about the genital exam of 59
12-year old girls!

Les





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AHABIZ (ahabiz@aol.com) writes:
> In article <832327408$2568@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes:

>>You can say THAT again!  Why, read the string about the genital exam of
>>59 12-year old girls!
> 
> two questions les:
> 
> 1.  just how long did *YOU* spend in the military?

Two years.  Not that it's particularly relevant.  I don't want a
representative cross-section of the population under arms if we get
invaded; I want the BEST POSSIBLE PEOPLE to be defending me (that I
consider myself best able to defend myself is axiomatic).

> 2.  other than the fact that it threatens your supremacist views
> concerning sex roles, what's your problem?

What do my, or any other, supremacist views have to do with the facts of
biology, except that they largely agree with observation?  I think you're
champing at the bit to go on a "Natsee-bash".  Perhaps to prove yet again
that you militia wannabes AREN'T "Natsees"?

Les




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AHABIZ (ahabiz@aol.com) writes:
> In article <832441686$8905@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes:

(snip)

AHABIZ:
>>> 2.  other than the fact that it threatens your supremacist views
>>> concerning sex roles, what's your problem?

Moi:
>>What do my, or any other, supremacist views have to do with the facts of
>>biology, except that they largely agree with observation?  I think you're
>>champing at the bit to go on a "Natsee-bash".  Perhaps to prove yet again
>>that you militia wannabes AREN'T "Natsees"?
> 
> actually, the term I usually use for you guys is 'nazidiots' but I was
> trying to be polite.  Your views on biology are as warped as everything
> else in your philosophy.  Now don't get me wrong, I understand that your
> primary concern is avoiding genetic crossbreeding, so you are forced to
> produce large families, thus condemning any women who buy into your
> spending a good percentage of their time pregnant.  However, attempting to
> justify that in biological terms is at best nonsensical.  You're trying to
> out produce all of the rest of us, Les, and *that* is a simple numerical
> impossiblity.  In the meanwhile, however, you are forced to maintain rigid
> gender roles within your own groups, in order to try to maintain group
> stability.

Funny, that:  you have no trouble stereotyping us, yet you sorts ALWAYS
whine about what a mortal sin stereotyping is.

> Hmm, thinking about it that way, it's no wonder you supremacist types are
> so terrified by the Constitutional Militias - we don't discriminate by
> gender, which means we will ALWAYS be able to field more armed combatants
> than you will, and we will ALWAYS have the best available people doing the
> job, regardless of the sexuality...something you will never be able to
> say.  

We aren't "terrified" of you; you need to get a grip on your ego.  We DO
tend to look at all of our enemies, current and future, real and
potential, with considerably more balance than you guys do.  
Of COURSE I'd be more wary of a freak like you with a gun than an equally
deluded UNARMED individual.  I'd be foolish not to be.

> ah well, gotta go, I'm helping teach the range session of a personal
> protection course this afternoon.  Not to worry, half the class is female,
> and at least 1/3 of the class is always made up of ethnic minorities...and
> of course you know what I teach them about folks like you. :-> 

Ooh, we're simply terrified.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 24 23:29:00 PDT 1996
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PGISSource (pgissource@aol.com) writes:
> In article <832441686$8905@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>You can say THAT again!  Why, read the string about the genital exam of
>>>>59 12-year old girls!
>>> 
>>> two questions les:
>>> 
>>> 1.  just how long did *YOU* spend in the military?
>>
>>Two years.  Not that it's particularly relevant.
> 
> It may be relevant. 2 yrs is 1/2 as long as many of us who did full
> enlistments on the 4x6 program (except for those that did the 2xHell or
> 3xHell program). Thus you have 1/2 to 2/3 the experience of many. In the
> first 2 years, one is pretty restrained in terms of military interactions.
> Thus you missed a good bit of the total scope. In 4 yrs, you only learn
> enought to know you don't want want to the go through all the stuff the
> lifers told you about. I'd say 2 yrs is not even remotely qualifying to
> comment on unit interactions.

The original question was, what do you think of women in the military?  It
did not specify what Green Berets or Navy SEALs thought of it, but what
*anyone* thought of it.

Les




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AHABIZ (ahabiz@aol.com) writes:
> In article <832453388$9756@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>We aren't "terrified" of you; you need to get a grip on your ego.  We DO
>>tend to look at all of our enemies, current and future, real and
>>potential, with considerably more balance than you guys do.  
> 
> hmm, we outnumber you a thousandfold, since many of us are caucasian you
> can't really ever be sure you haven't been infiltrated by us,

Well, THAT's an interesting proposition!  I've yet to hear my first denial
by a white-supremacist group that their members have ideas similar to
those of many militias, but one ALWAYS hears agonized whining from
militialoons that they are NOT, repeat NOT, Natsees.

Please note that my use of the term "militialoons" is by no means meant to
refer to all, or even many, militia types, just the ones who think that
they should be dabbling in politics.

> and you know that we will be far less tollerant of you than the current
> regime,

More egoism on your part.  You really think that you, or those who think
like you, are going to constitute the NEXT "regime"?  It IS to laugh.

Les




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Typhanee (typhanee@aol.com) writes:
> In article <832533486$14549@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes:

(snip)

>>YOU'RE the one who turned this into a slagging match. 
> 
> Why, because he disagreed with what you said? 

Uh, no, because he automatically assumed that only "Natsees" would think
that way, and that my status as a "Natsee" automatically discounted
anything I had to say.

> We still have freedom of speech in this country.  If you don't want someone
> to disagree with you, don't state your opinion on a newsgroup that is read
> by hundreds of other people.  At the very least don't be naive enough to
> assume that everyone here shares your views.   

I don't.  But, the question was NOT, "Are you a Natsee?".  The question,
as it appears I have to remind you, was, "What are your views on women in
the military?"

Les




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Ahabiz, you really enjoy this, don't you?  This is probably the most
attention that's ever been paid to you, isn't it?  Why am I getting the 
impression that you're tolerated but not really taken seriously, here on 
misc.activism.militia?  Regardless, I won't waste any more bandwidth with you; 
the question was asked, and I answered it.  YOU'RE the one who turned this 
into a slagging match. 

Les


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MMedi13720 (mmedi13720@aol.com) writes:
> In article <832453388$9756@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les
> Griswold) writes:

AHABIZ: 
>>> Hmm, thinking about it that way, it's no wonder you supremacist types
>>> are so terrified by the Constitutional Militias - we don't discriminate by
>>> gender, which means we will ALWAYS be able to field more armed combatants
>>> than you will, and we will ALWAYS have the best available people doing
>>> the job, regardless of the sexuality...something you will never be able to
>>> say.  

Moi:
>>We aren't "terrified" of you; you need to get a grip on your ego.  We DO
>>tend to look at all of our enemies, current and future, real and
>>potential, with considerably more balance than you guys do.  
>>Of COURSE I'd be more wary of a freak like you with a gun than an equally
>>deluded UNARMED individual.  I'd be foolish not to be.
> 
> Damn right you should be wary of us, Les. There are quite a few people who
> don't like bigots-especially those bigots who don't know squat about the
> stuff they spout their BS about.

Yes, I'm always wary of idiots with guns.
 
>>> ah well, gotta go, I'm helping teach the range session of a personal
>>> protection course this afternoon.  Not to worry, half the class is
>>> female, and at least 1/3 of the class is always made up of ethnic
>>> minorities...and of course you know what I teach them about folks like 
>>> you. :-> 
>>
>>Ooh, we're simply terrified.
> 
> Believe me: If I were you, I would be.

Why should I believe you?  All the evidence indicates that you're a
CyberNaut, nothing more.  And even if you WERE a Super Commando, you're
also a bleeding idiot.

> Mike S. Medintz
> not an aryan/alien/whatever-can you figure it out, Les? Didn't think so.

You're a jew.  So what?

Les



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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> In article <4nqjl0$oib@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>> > 
>> > Aaah. So the Russian Government before the Russian Revolution couldn't have 
>> > been separated from the Bolschevics that it ruled. Correct? 
>> 
>> Incorrect.  The Bolsheviks were jewish, or semitophiles.  Bolshevism was a
>> jewish movement.
>> 
> 
> Bolshevism was based on the economic teachings of a German, Karl Marx,

Marx was a jew, asswipe.

> ... The apparent 'Jewish connection with the earliest stages of Bolshevism
> is an illusion resulting from traditional Russian anti-Semitism.
 
Nonsense.  Jews are seen as being WAY over-represented in the ranks of
the early Bolsheviks because they were, well, over-represented.

And it is to laugh that you whine about "traditional Russian anti-semitism". 
Seeing as how the Russians have had to put up with jews for over a
thousand years, I think you got it a little backwards there.

(snip)
 
> The Bolshevik revolution was aimed at liquidating not them (i.e., the
> middle-class jews), but rather the older elite of nobility, the Czarist
> civil service, and landowners whose excesses had made life so difficult for
> the majority of the Russian population: peasants and the transplanted
> peasants who were first and second generation industrial workers. 

Yeah, damn considerate of the jews to ASK the peasants if their lot was
so bad.

Eugene, you're a commie zealot without even the courage to admit that
communism and Marxism are both kosher through and through.  Piss off.

Les



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bob whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) writes:
>    If black women are beautiful enough to be chosen without t 
> his kind of blatantly patronizing affirmative action, why don't 
> black men want to marry them?

Good question.

Les
 




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4nopj3$9s3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

(snip - Mathis blathering on about "anti-semitism")

>> Funny, that.  Mathis and his ilk constantly complain about "anti-semitism", 
>> but anti-semitism is, more and more, being seen as a reasonable reaction
>> to semitism, i.e. the regular practices of jews.
>      ^^^^^^^^
> 
> What exactly is "semitism"?

Jewishness.

Les




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4nopj3$9s3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:

(snip - Mathis blathering on about "anti-semitism")

>> Funny, that.  Mathis and his ilk constantly complain about "anti-semitism", 
>> but anti-semitism is, more and more, being seen as a reasonable reaction
>> to semitism, i.e. the regular practices of jews.
>      ^^^^^^^^
> 
> What exactly is "semitism"?

Jewishness.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.nigeria,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Nigerian-Finn Lola Odusoga places third in Miss Universe pageant
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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> Lola Odusoga, the Nigerian-Finnish beauty who became Miss Finland a few
> months ago, was the second runner-up in the Miss Universe contest. In
> keeping with the temper of the times, this was not a mere
> bust-waist-hips-face competition, but rather one which focused on whether
> the external beauty of the contestant also correponded to personality, and
> overall intelligence.
 
In keeping with the temper of the times, Nigeria could have entered a
chimpanzee and it would have won.
 
Les
 
> 




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> : > Lola Odusoga, the Nigerian-Finnish beauty who became Miss Finland a few
> : > months ago, was the second runner-up in the Miss Universe contest. In
> : > keeping with the temper of the times, this was not a mere
> : > bust-waist-hips-face competition, but rather one which focused on whether
> : > the external beauty of the contestant also correponded to personality, and
> : > overall intelligence.
> :  
> : In keeping with the temper of the times, Nigeria could have entered a
> : chimpanzee and it would have won.
> 
> Les, Les, Les. Your reading comprehension is way down.
> Nowhere does Mr Holman say that Nigeria's entrant won.
> Ms Odusoga was Miss Finland. She came in second.

Well, colour ME embarrassed!  But, you knew to whom I was referring. 
Typical liberal:  willing to overlook the important things to haggle over
what is essentially unimportant.

Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> In article <4nplht$fiv@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
>> > Lola Odusoga, the Nigerian-Finnish beauty who became Miss Finland a few
>> > months ago, was the second runner-up in the Miss Universe contest. In
>> > keeping with the temper of the times, this was not a mere
>> > bust-waist-hips-face competition, but rather one which focused on whether
>> > the external beauty of the contestant also correponded to personality, and
>> > overall intelligence.
>>  
>> In keeping with the temper of the times, Nigeria could have entered a
>> chimpanzee and it would have won.
> 
> Some people are ready to deprecate the achievements of anybody if they do
> not accord with their racist view of the world. I suppose you consider
> Lola Odusoga's success in the pageant to have been due to affirmative
> action, a desire on the part of the judges to be politically correct and
> supportive, and the shock value of seeing an obviously brown-skinned young
> lady representing as 'white' a country as Finland, 

Essentially, yes.  You're pretty bright, Eugene; it's a shame you have to
blow it in the next half of the sentence.

> rather than to her intelligence, poise, and personality. 

Yak yak yak.  So, beauty paegants are "exploitive", except when they promote 
your sick values.  Then they're significant.  Go pitch that one on 
alt.feminism, see how far you get.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May 26 13:18:18 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker (pristine@news.hk.super.net) writes:
> : In article <4np1vp$es5@oracle.damerica.net>, billbill@community.net
> : (Sunspot) wrote:
> 
> : > In my opinion, the drug war and the rise of crime in black 
> : > neighborhoods (this is not a thread for national policy) was a result of 
> : > blatant neglect of public services by local city officials (hospitals, 
> : > fire departments and police presence) who precide over neighborhoods 
> : > that used to be white, but became black due to white flight.
> 
> I think the problem is not "white flight" but "black flight".

> ... That's because integration has offered tremendous improvement for a
> substantial portion of the [negro] community, even if it has, indirectly,
> made things worse for a minority.  Despite racism and all the other problems,
> average black academic performance and income has been rising for years. 

Despite "racism" and all the other problems, arsewipe, the negroes have it
better here than they EVER could have "back in Africa", and they KNOW it. 
PLUS, with spineless whimps like you in charge, they can even bite the
hand that feeds 'em, without any worry of any White pride getting in the
way of their hi-jinks.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Dene Bebbington (101547.1352@CompuServe.COM) wrote:
> 
> : > You should read the documentary book,if you can,or else get your
> : > guardian to read to you, "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".
> : > It details how AIDS was spread worldwide by the Canadian faggot
> : > with Air Canada, who deliberately infected more than 100,000
> : > others worldwide.
> 
> : Even granting that this may be true, what is your point??
> 
> Hold back a minute...
> 
> Could someone care to explain how one guy could deliberately infect 
> 100,000 others, when a) AIDS wasn't recognized as a disease, much less an 
> STD so he couldn't have known that he was infecting people, and b) when Wilt 
> Chamberlain himself could only come up with 20,000 partners, and that over 
> the space of like twenty years!

Fags and bisexuals are notoriously promiscuous.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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It's a real hoot to see the liberals come carping to the defence of this
habitual offender in Toronto who can't be charged with rape, and the
torture-killing of James Bolger in England, conveniently forgetting that:

1)  Bolger's killers were of the same race as he was, so they couldn't
play the race card, like this turkey's mother is; and,

2)  They WERE charged, tried and convicted.  This person can't be charged,
won't be tried, and definitely won't be convicted.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Still more on the 11-year-old negro rapist!
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Seems like some people are getting REALLY HONKED at the FACT that an
11-year-old NEGRO would commit rape, and more still, LEAD the GANG-RAPE of
a 13-year-old girl.  I've even had some liberal softie tell me that our
"softness on crime", or somesuch, is responsible for this sort of abomination.

Nonsense.

Multi-racialism is.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stephi Stevens (stevens@azstarnet.com) writes:
> In article <4nqruq$qso@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>Subject: Honest Abe, yet again!
>>Date: 20 May 1996 22:32:58 GMT
> 
> Dear Les,
> 
>>Hoping to forestall any starry-eyed liberal from misrepresenting the so-
>>called "Civil War", or Abraham Lincoln, I submit the following:
> 
> 		<>
> 
> So, what's the point?  Most of the people who have been truly educated in
> this country know this already.  And his main point was "the two races
> aren't going to get along, we (the European-Americans) ought to send
> them (the African-Americans) back to Africa."

His other point was, if one has to called superior to the other, he was in
favour of the White Race being called superior to the negro race.  Don't
neglect to mention that.

> Abraham Lincoln's contribution to this nation was in keeping the country
> whole, not in freeing the slaves. 

One would never know it from all the Political Correctness that passes
itself off as "history".

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
 
 (snip)
 
This is really pathetic, Crazy.  You're responding to your OWN messages? 
Pretty sad.  
 
Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Got this here e-mail concerning the precocious 11-year-old...

>From  ALeftist@aol.com  Sat May 25 15:41:45 1996
Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA21286 for ; Sat, 25 May 1996 15:41:44 -0400
From: ALeftist@aol.com
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To: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: try to stop hating ppl because of their skin's color

you should try and stop hating ppl because their skin is darker than yours.

there is only one race - the human race.

Yoo-hoo, Whitehouse, you reading this?

Les



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_Ottawa Sun_, Friday May 24 1996, page 24


	TORONTO (CP) - The mother of an 11-year-old boy accused of sexual
assault visited him yesterday for the first time since a judge ordered him
to a psychiatric hospital.

	"He doesn't even know what is going on," the mother said.  "He
wants to come home."

	Police call the child a chronic offender who has escalated from
car theft to the alleged abduction and rape of a 13-year-old girl earlier
this month.

	The boy, who cannot be identified, has calmly told police he's too
young to be charged in a crime.

	The Young Offenders Act only allows charges against children older
than 12.  Frustrated police officers and Reform MPs have called for the
minimum age to be reduced to 10.

	His mother said yesterday he was made subject to supervision by
the Children's Aid Society by a judge's order last April.  He continued to
live with his mother but received weekly visits from a social worker.

	The mother says her son's first contact with police was in
December 1994.  Since then, he has been accused of joyriding in stolen
cars, a holdup, theft, possession of stolen property.

	She said he was never offerred any programs and there was never an
attempt to have him assessed by a psychiatrist.

	Officers say the boy led three others in dragging the 13-year-old
girl off the street on May 3, dragging her to his apartment and taking off
her clothes.

Les




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Mr Richard Ethan Latker (pristine@news.hk.super.net) writes:
> : In article <4np1vp$es5@oracle.damerica.net>, billbill@community.net
> : (Sunspot) wrote:
> 
> : > In my opinion, the drug war and the rise of crime in black 
> : > neighborhoods (this is not a thread for national policy) was a result of 
> : > blatant neglect of public services by local city officials (hospitals, 
> : > fire departments and police presence) who precide over neighborhoods 
> : > that used to be white, but became black due to white flight.
> 
> I think the problem is not "white flight" but "black flight".

> ... That's because integration has offered tremendous improvement for a
> substantial portion of the [negro] community, even if it has, indirectly,
> made things worse for a minority.  Despite racism and all the other problems,
> average black academic performance and income has been rising for years. 

Despite "racism" and all the other problems, arsewipe, the negroes have it
better here than they EVER could have "back in Africa", and they KNOW it. 
PLUS, with spineless whimps like you in charge, they can even bite the
hand that feeds 'em, without any worry of any White pride getting in the
way of their hi-jinks.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Toronto rape vs. James Bolger
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It's a real hoot to see the liberals come carping to the defence of this
habitual offender in Toronto who can't be charged with rape, and the
torture-killing of James Bolger in England, conveniently forgetting that:

1)  Bolger's killers were of the same race as he was, so they couldn't
play the race card, like this turkey's mother is; and,

2)  They WERE charged, tried and convicted.  This person can't be charged,
won't be tried, and definitely won't be convicted.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May 26 15:30:01 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination
Subject: Still more on the 11-year-old negro rapist!
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Seems like some people are getting REALLY HONKED at the FACT that an
11-year-old NEGRO would commit rape, and more still, LEAD the GANG-RAPE of
a 13-year-old girl.  I've even had some liberal softie tell me that our
"softness on crime", or somesuch, is responsible for this sort of abomination.

Nonsense.

Multi-racialism is.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun May 26 15:30:03 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Honest Abe, yet again!
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Stephi Stevens (stevens@azstarnet.com) writes:
> In article <4nqruq$qso@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>Subject: Honest Abe, yet again!
>>Date: 20 May 1996 22:32:58 GMT
> 
> Dear Les,
> 
>>Hoping to forestall any starry-eyed liberal from misrepresenting the so-
>>called "Civil War", or Abraham Lincoln, I submit the following:
> 
> 		<>
> 
> So, what's the point?  Most of the people who have been truly educated in
> this country know this already.  And his main point was "the two races
> aren't going to get along, we (the European-Americans) ought to send
> them (the African-Americans) back to Africa."

His other point was, if one has to called superior to the other, he was in
favour of the White Race being called superior to the negro race.  Don't
neglect to mention that.

> Abraham Lincoln's contribution to this nation was in keeping the country
> whole, not in freeing the slaves. 

One would never know it from all the Political Correctness that passes
itself off as "history".

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
 
 (snip)
 
This is really pathetic, Crazy.  You're responding to your OWN messages? 
Pretty sad.  
 
Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Some e-mail...
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Got this here e-mail concerning the precocious 11-year-old...

>From  ALeftist@aol.com  Sat May 25 15:41:45 1996
Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA21286 for ; Sat, 25 May 1996 15:41:44 -0400
From: ALeftist@aol.com
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To: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: try to stop hating ppl because of their skin's color

you should try and stop hating ppl because their skin is darker than yours.

there is only one race - the human race.

Yoo-hoo, Whitehouse, you reading this?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Statements that liberals just hate (was: A slip by a NZ Prime-Minister?)
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Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) writes:
> A little bit of a background: 1996 is election year.
> 
> Cited in the NZ Herald 25 May 1996.
> 
> The NZ Prime Minister, Jim Bolger has stated that current forecasts 
> estimate that the net government debt would be nil by June 1997.  He then
> made an interesting comment that we would then no longer be "beholden to
> any international banker."  One of the things admitted was that being 
> beholden to an international banker meant a "lack of soveignity" to a 
> nation, in this case New Zealand.
> 
> Curious.  Would a liberal please explain to me how a government being in 
> debt doesn't make that government an international banker's lackey?
> 
> If this is not feasible, perhaps you'd be comforted to know that the 
> majority of international bankers are Jews/Zionists.  Do I need to go
> further?
> 
> Ourobouros.

Kind of reminds me of what Mr. Parizeau said the day after the
"sovereignty" referendum was lost in Quebec on Oct. 30 1995:  "We were
defeated by money and the ethnic vote."  Of course, jews and leftists
flipped, and screamed that "money" was just a "code-phrase" for jews.

Les



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Subject: ACCUSED BOY RAPIST 'WANTS TO COME HOME'
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_Ottawa Sun_, Friday May 24 1996, page 24


	TORONTO (CP) - The mother of an 11-year-old boy accused of sexual
assault visited him yesterday for the first time since a judge ordered him
to a psychiatric hospital.

	"He doesn't even know what is going on," the mother said.  "He
wants to come home."

	Police call the child a chronic offender who has escalated from
car theft to the alleged abduction and rape of a 13-year-old girl earlier
this month.

	The boy, who cannot be identified, has calmly told police he's too
young to be charged in a crime.

	The Young Offenders Act only allows charges against children older
than 12.  Frustrated police officers and Reform MPs have called for the
minimum age to be reduced to 10.

	His mother said yesterday he was made subject to supervision by
the Children's Aid Society by a judge's order last April.  He continued to
live with his mother but received weekly visits from a social worker.

	The mother says her son's first contact with police was in
December 1994.  Since then, he has been accused of joyriding in stolen
cars, a holdup, theft, possession of stolen property.

	She said he was never offerred any programs and there was never an
attempt to have him assessed by a psychiatrist.

	Officers say the boy led three others in dragging the 13-year-old
girl off the street on May 3, dragging her to his apartment and taking off
her clothes.

Les




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Mr Richard Ethan Latker (pristine@news.hk.super.net) writes:
> : In article <4np1vp$es5@oracle.damerica.net>, billbill@community.net
> : (Sunspot) wrote:
> 
> : > In my opinion, the drug war and the rise of crime in black 
> : > neighborhoods (this is not a thread for national policy) was a result of 
> : > blatant neglect of public services by local city officials (hospitals, 
> : > fire departments and police presence) who precide over neighborhoods 
> : > that used to be white, but became black due to white flight.
> 
> I think the problem is not "white flight" but "black flight".

> ... That's because integration has offered tremendous improvement for a
> substantial portion of the [negro] community, even if it has, indirectly,
> made things worse for a minority.  Despite racism and all the other problems,
> average black academic performance and income has been rising for years. 

Despite "racism" and all the other problems, arsewipe, the negroes have it
better here than they EVER could have "back in Africa", and they KNOW it. 
PLUS, with spineless whimps like you in charge, they can even bite the
hand that feeds 'em, without any worry of any White pride getting in the
way of their hi-jinks.

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
 
 (snip)
 
This is really pathetic, Crazy.  You're responding to your OWN messages? 
Pretty sad.  
 
Les



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Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <4o9ves$1bu@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
> writes: 
> 
>>I don't believe that. I we project the current trends things cannot
>>help but to get worse. Every single time Blacks get power away from
>>Whites, whether it be in America or Africa, the results are the same:
>>deterioration, violence, and collapse. You must be blind! Of course, I
>>guess that if we keep pretending and thinking nice thoughts, then
>>everthing will be ok? Bull. There has never been a successful
>>multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
>>probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know.
> 
> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
> Storm. 

You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?

> Likewise, Justice Thomas is on the Supreme Court and there is no sign of
> collapse there. 

ROTFL!!!  You CAN'T be serious with this shit!

> There are more examples but the point is that race is largely cosmetic.  

Translation:  I KNOW that race makes a BIG difference, but if I bury my
head in the sand and keep repeating all the liberal mantras, race will
become insignificant.

> There have been many successful multi-racial civilizations in history. 
> The most obvious one is the Roman Empire which encompassed many
> different races with profound differences and lasted for hundreds of
> years. 

... and which followed the (uniracial) Roman Republic, which lasted twice as
long.

> The Roman government and military was full of people from the far reaches of
> the empire.  Many of them became Emperor. 

Which, competent historians agree, was one of the contributions to the
decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

> Likewise, the
> Ottoman Empire encompassed many races as did the Mongol Empire.  On a
> smaller scale, there is the British Empire, which even in it's
> diminished state does encompass the Scots, Welsh, and Irish, which are
> substantially integrated into it's civilization.  You should know that,
> Mr. Ian McKinney.
> 
> If you cling to the notion that "There has never been a successful
> multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
> probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know", then
> you need to review everything you know for accuracy.

He has.  He's right.  You're wrong. 

Les



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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Brendan J. F. Scallon wrote:

(snip)

>> 4) All this talk about Black women being "like water buffaloes" is
>> the basis for this next question; if Black women are supposed to be
>> the ugliest women around, how come in the past 6 years, 50% of the
>> Miss USAs have African ancestry; 2 of them (Carole Gist and Kenya
>> Moore) being darker than a brown paper bag?  The second part of
>> the question, name a full figured white gentile who is considered
>> as one of the most attractive females around (there are several
>> Blacks in this category i.e. Kim Coles, Star Jones, Queen Latifah,
>> Nell Carter; almost all the Ms. Big America winners have been of
>> African descent)?
> 
> You can't be serious. You actually follow the "Ms. Big America" contest? 
> You put any faith in the judgement of these commercial enterprises as to 
> the measurement of female beauty?
> 
> Congoids have different standards of beauty than Aryans. They say so 
> themselves. Everted lips -- protruding glutea maxima -- prognathous jaws 
> -- wide, flat noses -- kinky hair -- dark skin -- all positive attributes 
> from their point of view.

Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
marry white.

This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...

Les


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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4o1ssb$p4j@molokini.conterra.com>
>            bwhit@conterra.com "bob whitaker" writes:
> 
>>    If black women are beautiful enough to be chosen without t 
>> his kind of blatantly patronizing affirmative action, why don't 
>> black men want to marry them?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Quite a few white men do.

So where are they?

Les



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Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <4o9ves$1bu@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
> writes: 
> 
>>I don't believe that. I we project the current trends things cannot
>>help but to get worse. Every single time Blacks get power away from
>>Whites, whether it be in America or Africa, the results are the same:
>>deterioration, violence, and collapse. You must be blind! Of course, I
>>guess that if we keep pretending and thinking nice thoughts, then
>>everthing will be ok? Bull. There has never been a successful
>>multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
>>probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know.
> 
> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
> Storm. 

You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?

> Likewise, Justice Thomas is on the Supreme Court and there is no sign of
> collapse there. 

ROTFL!!!  You CAN'T be serious with this shit!

> There are more examples but the point is that race is largely cosmetic.  

Translation:  I KNOW that race makes a BIG difference, but if I bury my
head in the sand and keep repeating all the liberal mantras, race will
become insignificant.

> There have been many successful multi-racial civilizations in history. 
> The most obvious one is the Roman Empire which encompassed many
> different races with profound differences and lasted for hundreds of
> years. 

... and which followed the (uniracial) Roman Republic, which lasted twice as
long.

> The Roman government and military was full of people from the far reaches of
> the empire.  Many of them became Emperor. 

Which, competent historians agree, was one of the contributions to the
decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

> Likewise, the
> Ottoman Empire encompassed many races as did the Mongol Empire.  On a
> smaller scale, there is the British Empire, which even in it's
> diminished state does encompass the Scots, Welsh, and Irish, which are
> substantially integrated into it's civilization.  You should know that,
> Mr. Ian McKinney.
> 
> If you cling to the notion that "There has never been a successful
> multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
> probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know", then
> you need to review everything you know for accuracy.

He has.  He's right.  You're wrong. 

Les



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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Brendan J. F. Scallon wrote:

(snip)

>> 4) All this talk about Black women being "like water buffaloes" is
>> the basis for this next question; if Black women are supposed to be
>> the ugliest women around, how come in the past 6 years, 50% of the
>> Miss USAs have African ancestry; 2 of them (Carole Gist and Kenya
>> Moore) being darker than a brown paper bag?  The second part of
>> the question, name a full figured white gentile who is considered
>> as one of the most attractive females around (there are several
>> Blacks in this category i.e. Kim Coles, Star Jones, Queen Latifah,
>> Nell Carter; almost all the Ms. Big America winners have been of
>> African descent)?
> 
> You can't be serious. You actually follow the "Ms. Big America" contest? 
> You put any faith in the judgement of these commercial enterprises as to 
> the measurement of female beauty?
> 
> Congoids have different standards of beauty than Aryans. They say so 
> themselves. Everted lips -- protruding glutea maxima -- prognathous jaws 
> -- wide, flat noses -- kinky hair -- dark skin -- all positive attributes 
> from their point of view.

Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
marry white.

This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...

Les


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Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <4o9ves$1bu@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
> writes: 
> 
>>I don't believe that. I we project the current trends things cannot
>>help but to get worse. Every single time Blacks get power away from
>>Whites, whether it be in America or Africa, the results are the same:
>>deterioration, violence, and collapse. You must be blind! Of course, I
>>guess that if we keep pretending and thinking nice thoughts, then
>>everthing will be ok? Bull. There has never been a successful
>>multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
>>probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know.
> 
> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
> Storm. 

You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?

> Likewise, Justice Thomas is on the Supreme Court and there is no sign of
> collapse there. 

ROTFL!!!  You CAN'T be serious with this shit!

> There are more examples but the point is that race is largely cosmetic.  

Translation:  I KNOW that race makes a BIG difference, but if I bury my
head in the sand and keep repeating all the liberal mantras, race will
become insignificant.

> There have been many successful multi-racial civilizations in history. 
> The most obvious one is the Roman Empire which encompassed many
> different races with profound differences and lasted for hundreds of
> years. 

... and which followed the (uniracial) Roman Republic, which lasted twice as
long.

> The Roman government and military was full of people from the far reaches of
> the empire.  Many of them became Emperor. 

Which, competent historians agree, was one of the contributions to the
decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

> Likewise, the
> Ottoman Empire encompassed many races as did the Mongol Empire.  On a
> smaller scale, there is the British Empire, which even in it's
> diminished state does encompass the Scots, Welsh, and Irish, which are
> substantially integrated into it's civilization.  You should know that,
> Mr. Ian McKinney.
> 
> If you cling to the notion that "There has never been a successful
> multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
> probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know", then
> you need to review everything you know for accuracy.

He has.  He's right.  You're wrong. 

Les



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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Brendan J. F. Scallon wrote:

(snip)

>> 4) All this talk about Black women being "like water buffaloes" is
>> the basis for this next question; if Black women are supposed to be
>> the ugliest women around, how come in the past 6 years, 50% of the
>> Miss USAs have African ancestry; 2 of them (Carole Gist and Kenya
>> Moore) being darker than a brown paper bag?  The second part of
>> the question, name a full figured white gentile who is considered
>> as one of the most attractive females around (there are several
>> Blacks in this category i.e. Kim Coles, Star Jones, Queen Latifah,
>> Nell Carter; almost all the Ms. Big America winners have been of
>> African descent)?
> 
> You can't be serious. You actually follow the "Ms. Big America" contest? 
> You put any faith in the judgement of these commercial enterprises as to 
> the measurement of female beauty?
> 
> Congoids have different standards of beauty than Aryans. They say so 
> themselves. Everted lips -- protruding glutea maxima -- prognathous jaws 
> -- wide, flat noses -- kinky hair -- dark skin -- all positive attributes 
> from their point of view.

Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
marry white.

This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...

Les


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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Brendan J. F. Scallon wrote:

(snip)

>> 4) All this talk about Black women being "like water buffaloes" is
>> the basis for this next question; if Black women are supposed to be
>> the ugliest women around, how come in the past 6 years, 50% of the
>> Miss USAs have African ancestry; 2 of them (Carole Gist and Kenya
>> Moore) being darker than a brown paper bag?  The second part of
>> the question, name a full figured white gentile who is considered
>> as one of the most attractive females around (there are several
>> Blacks in this category i.e. Kim Coles, Star Jones, Queen Latifah,
>> Nell Carter; almost all the Ms. Big America winners have been of
>> African descent)?
> 
> You can't be serious. You actually follow the "Ms. Big America" contest? 
> You put any faith in the judgement of these commercial enterprises as to 
> the measurement of female beauty?
> 
> Congoids have different standards of beauty than Aryans. They say so 
> themselves. Everted lips -- protruding glutea maxima -- prognathous jaws 
> -- wide, flat noses -- kinky hair -- dark skin -- all positive attributes 
> from their point of view.

Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
marry white.

This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 27 18:57:54 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker (pristine@news.hk.super.net) writes:
> : In article <4np1vp$es5@oracle.damerica.net>, billbill@community.net
> : (Sunspot) wrote:
> 
> : > In my opinion, the drug war and the rise of crime in black 
> : > neighborhoods (this is not a thread for national policy) was a result of 
> : > blatant neglect of public services by local city officials (hospitals, 
> : > fire departments and police presence) who precide over neighborhoods 
> : > that used to be white, but became black due to white flight.
> 
> I think the problem is not "white flight" but "black flight".

> ... That's because integration has offered tremendous improvement for a
> substantial portion of the [negro] community, even if it has, indirectly,
> made things worse for a minority.  Despite racism and all the other problems,
> average black academic performance and income has been rising for years. 

Despite "racism" and all the other problems, arsewipe, the negroes have it
better here than they EVER could have "back in Africa", and they KNOW it. 
PLUS, with spineless whimps like you in charge, they can even bite the
hand that feeds 'em, without any worry of any White pride getting in the
way of their hi-jinks.

Les




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Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <4o9ves$1bu@news.usaor.net> mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
> writes: 
> 
>>I don't believe that. I we project the current trends things cannot
>>help but to get worse. Every single time Blacks get power away from
>>Whites, whether it be in America or Africa, the results are the same:
>>deterioration, violence, and collapse. You must be blind! Of course, I
>>guess that if we keep pretending and thinking nice thoughts, then
>>everthing will be ok? Bull. There has never been a successful
>>multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
>>probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know.
> 
> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
> Storm. 

You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?

> Likewise, Justice Thomas is on the Supreme Court and there is no sign of
> collapse there. 

ROTFL!!!  You CAN'T be serious with this shit!

> There are more examples but the point is that race is largely cosmetic.  

Translation:  I KNOW that race makes a BIG difference, but if I bury my
head in the sand and keep repeating all the liberal mantras, race will
become insignificant.

> There have been many successful multi-racial civilizations in history. 
> The most obvious one is the Roman Empire which encompassed many
> different races with profound differences and lasted for hundreds of
> years. 

... and which followed the (uniracial) Roman Republic, which lasted twice as
long.

> The Roman government and military was full of people from the far reaches of
> the empire.  Many of them became Emperor. 

Which, competent historians agree, was one of the contributions to the
decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

> Likewise, the
> Ottoman Empire encompassed many races as did the Mongol Empire.  On a
> smaller scale, there is the British Empire, which even in it's
> diminished state does encompass the Scots, Welsh, and Irish, which are
> substantially integrated into it's civilization.  You should know that,
> Mr. Ian McKinney.
> 
> If you cling to the notion that "There has never been a successful
> multi-racial civilization in the history of the world and that is
> probably one of the most consistant historical principles I know", then
> you need to review everything you know for accuracy.

He has.  He's right.  You're wrong. 

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Kunt McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4o8jud$1dak@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net wrote:

(snip)

>>BTW #2:  when is Lessylvie going to get his summons?  (oops--wasn't supposed
>>to say that).
> 
> "Lessylvie" is incorrect. The Charbonneau does indeed exist..
> it would appear that they may have met in an apartment house
> that Leslie may have briefly managed... it is so hard to get
> accurate gossip these days.. in any event, Leslie left daddy's
> cottage for a time, and appears to have returned with the
> Charbonneau in tow... perhaps crowding daddy, or even crowding
> daddy out... one cannot say with certainty how such matters
> develop.

How about, we both attended daddy's funeral?  Feel good, cunt?
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 27 21:10:20 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
>>their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
>>marry white.
> 
>>This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...
> 
> I don't suppose you have any statistics to back up this assertion??  Nah,
> I didn't think so.  It strikes me as unlikely, although I don't have any
> figures on "inter-racial" marriage, either.  But I was thinking of the
> US Secretary of Trade (or whatever) who was killed recently in the 
> airplane crash in the former Yugoslavia, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, 
> Whitney Houston, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, just to name a few.

Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
Williams, just to name a few.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon May 27 21:11:49 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
>>their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
>>marry white.
> 
>>This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...
> 
> I don't suppose you have any statistics to back up this assertion??  Nah,
> I didn't think so.  It strikes me as unlikely, although I don't have any
> figures on "inter-racial" marriage, either.  But I was thinking of the
> US Secretary of Trade (or whatever) who was killed recently in the 
> airplane crash in the former Yugoslavia, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, 
> Whitney Houston, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, just to name a few.

Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
Williams, just to name a few.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
>>their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
>>marry white.
> 
>>This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...
> 
> I don't suppose you have any statistics to back up this assertion??  Nah,
> I didn't think so.  It strikes me as unlikely, although I don't have any
> figures on "inter-racial" marriage, either.  But I was thinking of the
> US Secretary of Trade (or whatever) who was killed recently in the 
> airplane crash in the former Yugoslavia, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, 
> Whitney Houston, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, just to name a few.

Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
Williams, just to name a few.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue May 28 06:59:08 PDT 1996
Article: 39761 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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Joseph Hin-bun Mak (jhbmak@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate... (i.e., the
> : mention of the FACT that successful negro males tend to marry white, or at
> : least non-black, females)

> What?  Your inane grumblings and girlie face?

Well, since we're getting personal...

You're one to talk about appearances, with that pasty, sallow complexion. 
Try sunlight.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) babbles:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
>>> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
>>> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
>>> Storm. 
> 
>>You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
>>casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?
> 
> Oh Herr Obergooberpimpfenführer, this is lame, even for you.  You can't
> really be suggesting that friendly fire never happened before the Gulf
> War, not even you are so dumb to put out such a blatantly wrong and
> idiotic remark.

Friendly fire casualties indicate a problem WHEREVER they occur, dummy. 
However, the topic under discussion was the so-called Gulf "War".

(rest of Fester verbal diarrhea snipped)

Les


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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) babbles:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
>>> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
>>> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
>>> Storm. 
> 
>>You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
>>casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?
> 
> Oh Herr Obergooberpimpfenführer, this is lame, even for you.  You can't
> really be suggesting that friendly fire never happened before the Gulf
> War, not even you are so dumb to put out such a blatantly wrong and
> idiotic remark.

Friendly fire casualties indicate a problem WHEREVER they occur, dummy. 
However, the topic under discussion was the so-called Gulf "War".

(rest of Fester verbal diarrhea snipped)

Les


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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) babbles:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
>>> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
>>> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
>>> Storm. 
> 
>>You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
>>casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?
> 
> Oh Herr Obergooberpimpfenführer, this is lame, even for you.  You can't
> really be suggesting that friendly fire never happened before the Gulf
> War, not even you are so dumb to put out such a blatantly wrong and
> idiotic remark.

Friendly fire casualties indicate a problem WHEREVER they occur, dummy. 
However, the topic under discussion was the so-called Gulf "War".

(rest of Fester verbal diarrhea snipped)

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue May 28 15:14:52 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) writes:
> Love in South Seas, by B. Danielsson.
> 
> p.114.
> In the Marquesas Islands, where things were never done by halves, a sexual 
> rite was also performed at every wedding festivity.  It can perhaps be 
> regarded as a farewell to the free life of the unmarried.  When the 
> festivity was drawing to an end, ‘at a sign from the bridegroom all the 
> men present assembled, forming a queue, and each in turn passed before 
> the bride, who, lying in a corner of the paepae, with her head on the 
> bridegroom’s knee, received them all as husbands.  The procession was 
> headed by the oldest men and those of lowest birth, then came the great 
> chiefs and last of all the husband.... When one thinks of the great 
> number of men who took part in these festivities ... one may well think 
> that the proceedings were symbolic.  But they were not.... A newly-married 
> woman was sometimes half-dead and obliged to keep her bed for several 
> days afterwards.  This test of strength was not regarded as in any way 
> degrading or shameful, and the more men a bride had satisfied the prouder 
> she was.
> 
> The wedding celebration should perhaps be modernised.  For example of the 
> whole village typically was at the wedding, but Polynesians were 
> incapable any larger settlements.  Perhaps in our times entire cities 
> should be at the weddings.  And don’t forget you multi-culturalists, this 
> is non-white culture and therefore should be practised with equal relish 
> as the other things pertaining to multi-culturalism.
> 
> 
> p.116.
> 	In Samoa defloration was carried out in public; according to 
> Pritchard, the procedure was as follows:  As soon as the guests had 
> assembled round the malae (the place where the feasts were held) the 
> bride was let in. ‘All her mats were taken off by the old duennas; who 
> then slowly paraded her, naked and trembling, before the silent gaze of 
> the multitude, then she was seated, with her legs crossed, on a snow-white 
> mat spread on the ground, in the centre of the square, or malae.  There 
> the chief approached her and silently seated himself also cross-legged, 
> close to and directly facing her.  Then was the critical moment.  Though 
> perhaps more than a thousand spectators looked on, of all ages and both 
> sexes, not a word -- not a sound was heard.  Then, placing his left hand 
> on the girl’s right shoulder, the chief inserted the two forefingers of 
> his right hand into the vulva, while two old duennas held her round the 
> waisr from behind.  In a moment the chief’s arm was held up, the two 
> fingers only extended, when her anxious tribe watched eagerly for the 
> drops of blood to trickle down--the sight of which was the signal for 
> vehement cheers, which proclaimed the honour of the tribe and the dignity 
> of the chief unsullied, and the virtue of the bride such as became one of 
> her fair name.
> 
> This of course was restricted to the nobility which doesn’t fit into our 
> sill...oops rational thinking.  Perhaps since we believe in everybody 
> being equal all women before they get married should have this done to 
> them.  Perhaps it should be televised so that everybody can watch. 
> 
> If you multi-culturalists find this repulsive then why?  And why should 
> it not be practised?  Afterall you do believe in multi-culturalism and 
> everybody being equal don’t you?

The liberals must just HATE the mere mention of this sort of thing, which
they cannot even BEGIN to refute.  You're a mean one, Ourobouros :-)

Les




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Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) writes:
> Love in South Seas, by B. Danielsson.
> 
> p.114.
> In the Marquesas Islands, where things were never done by halves, a sexual 
> rite was also performed at every wedding festivity.  It can perhaps be 
> regarded as a farewell to the free life of the unmarried.  When the 
> festivity was drawing to an end, ‘at a sign from the bridegroom all the 
> men present assembled, forming a queue, and each in turn passed before 
> the bride, who, lying in a corner of the paepae, with her head on the 
> bridegroom’s knee, received them all as husbands.  The procession was 
> headed by the oldest men and those of lowest birth, then came the great 
> chiefs and last of all the husband.... When one thinks of the great 
> number of men who took part in these festivities ... one may well think 
> that the proceedings were symbolic.  But they were not.... A newly-married 
> woman was sometimes half-dead and obliged to keep her bed for several 
> days afterwards.  This test of strength was not regarded as in any way 
> degrading or shameful, and the more men a bride had satisfied the prouder 
> she was.
> 
> The wedding celebration should perhaps be modernised.  For example of the 
> whole village typically was at the wedding, but Polynesians were 
> incapable any larger settlements.  Perhaps in our times entire cities 
> should be at the weddings.  And don’t forget you multi-culturalists, this 
> is non-white culture and therefore should be practised with equal relish 
> as the other things pertaining to multi-culturalism.
> 
> 
> p.116.
> 	In Samoa defloration was carried out in public; according to 
> Pritchard, the procedure was as follows:  As soon as the guests had 
> assembled round the malae (the place where the feasts were held) the 
> bride was let in. ‘All her mats were taken off by the old duennas; who 
> then slowly paraded her, naked and trembling, before the silent gaze of 
> the multitude, then she was seated, with her legs crossed, on a snow-white 
> mat spread on the ground, in the centre of the square, or malae.  There 
> the chief approached her and silently seated himself also cross-legged, 
> close to and directly facing her.  Then was the critical moment.  Though 
> perhaps more than a thousand spectators looked on, of all ages and both 
> sexes, not a word -- not a sound was heard.  Then, placing his left hand 
> on the girl’s right shoulder, the chief inserted the two forefingers of 
> his right hand into the vulva, while two old duennas held her round the 
> waisr from behind.  In a moment the chief’s arm was held up, the two 
> fingers only extended, when her anxious tribe watched eagerly for the 
> drops of blood to trickle down--the sight of which was the signal for 
> vehement cheers, which proclaimed the honour of the tribe and the dignity 
> of the chief unsullied, and the virtue of the bride such as became one of 
> her fair name.
> 
> This of course was restricted to the nobility which doesn’t fit into our 
> sill...oops rational thinking.  Perhaps since we believe in everybody 
> being equal all women before they get married should have this done to 
> them.  Perhaps it should be televised so that everybody can watch. 
> 
> If you multi-culturalists find this repulsive then why?  And why should 
> it not be practised?  Afterall you do believe in multi-culturalism and 
> everybody being equal don’t you?

The liberals must just HATE the mere mention of this sort of thing, which
they cannot even BEGIN to refute.  You're a mean one, Ourobouros :-)

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue May 28 15:56:02 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4ockp0$322@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
> *      jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) wrote:
> * >In article <4o4q3q$f0s@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> * > wrote:
> * >
> * >*      My miserable service has been throttled for a day and a 
> * >* half so far!
> * >
> * >Nobody missed you, Bob.

Speak for yourself, dingbat.

> *     You would know.  You're nobody.
> 
> Ah shit! I was having my "Establishment Good Ol' Gal" nameplate engraved
> for my desk. Now what am I supposed to do, Dr. Bob? 

Scrap that one, and get another one that reads, "Crazy Post-Menopausal
Bitch".
 
> BTW, when my kids were little, there was a character named Dr. Bob
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> featured in the recurring "Pigs in Space" sketches on _The Muppets Show_.
> The Muppets' Dr. Bob was a big screw-up, too. Did you ever meet Jim
> Hensen?

Likely story.  You  just feel embarrassed that YOU used to watch "Pigs in
Space", and thought it was cutting-edge sci-fi, don't you?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May 29 10:58:20 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>> I don't suppose you have any statistics to back up this assertion?? 
>>> [i.e. that successful negroes marry white]  Nah,
>>> I didn't think so.  It strikes me as unlikely, although I don't have any
>>> figures on "inter-racial" marriage, either.  But I was thinking of the
>>> US Secretary of Trade (or whatever) who was killed recently in the 
>>> airplane crash in the former Yugoslavia, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, 
>>> Whitney Houston, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, just to name a few.
> 
>>Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
>>O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
>>Williams, just to name a few.
> 
> I guess that means no, you don't have any statistics to back up the 
> assertion.  Without them, this is sort of pointless.  Martin Luther 
> King's widow, Coretta King (if I recall correctly), is not "white",
> Herr Unterfartenführer.  

But the "Reverend Doctor" didn't spend his last night on this mortal coil
with his wife, either.  Reportedly, he spent it with two prostitues, at
least one of whom was white.  Nor was his philandering a big secret.

It would also prove instructive to read Eldridge Cleaver's _Soul on Ice_,
to see what negroes REALLY think about white women.

Les




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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> 
> : Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
> : O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
> : Williams, just to name a few.
> 
> : Les
> 
> Um, Les, two things.
> 
> 1)  Coretta Scott King is BLACK.

And as I mentioned to Fester, he didn't spend his bed-time with her, but
with prostitues, many of whom were white.

> 2)  I'm not big into sports, but I can tell you that Magic Johnson's wife 
> is also black, which sort of rules out "any sports figure".

You admit that you're not "big" into sports, yet you feel qualified to
address the issue of big buck blacks with white slut groupies?  This must
be typical liberal assertion.

> 3)  Clarence Thomas took advantage of AA programs, and then turned around 
> to blast them; the majority of blacks would *not* include him as a 
> representative of any trends among African-Americans.

So Thomas bit the hand that fed him.  Tell me how this is different than
what the typical negro does.
 
Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> "Caesar" wrote:
>> 
>> Live with the fact that racism is dying.
> 
> As long as there are races there will be "racism." It is inborn, has an 
> evolutionary purpose and survival value, and is even present in non-human 
> species. Racial feelings are about as likely to disappear as are sexual 
> feelings.
> 
> Actually, racism is good and necessary for the continued branching off of 
> new types of human beings from the existing stocks. Evolution, so far as 
> we know, operates primarily by such branching, and racial feelings are an 
> important part of what keeps the branches apart. At some point, homo 
> sapiens sapiens refused to breed with the sub-men around him.
> 
> Mallards and wood ducks can interbreed, and may even do so under certain 
> freak conditions, but the mentality of the ducks, even when they live in 
> the same territory, makes them shun the other type. The branches, once 
> one, are now separate for all time. Most Whites -- even most liberal 
> Whites -- instinctively shun Blacks as neighbors, school mates, and bed 
> mates. This is good and natural and really has nothing at all to do with 
> the emotion of hate.

Of course, the fact that a FEW whites marry non-whites will be grabbed as
"evidence" that the "barriers" are coming down, or whatever these liberal
turkeys say.  What they fail to realize is, that people are being shaken
off the fence.  Some fall on one side, some on the other.
 
> Evolution, branching and separation have brought about all the wonderful 
> diversity of creation that we see around us. It is Nature's way.

Liberals also fail to understand that the best way to preserve the
diversity they so CLAIM to love is through segregation.  I'm beginning to
wonder if liberals REALLY CARE in the least for "diversity", and are not
actually motivated by anti-White racism.

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Toronto rape vs. James Bolger
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It's a real hoot to see the liberals come carping to the defence of this
habitual offender in Toronto who can't be charged with rape, and the
torture-killing of James Bolger in England, conveniently forgetting that:

1)  Bolger's killers were of the same race as he was, so they couldn't
play the race card, like this turkey's mother is; and,

2)  They WERE charged, tried and convicted.  This person can't be charged,
won't be tried, and definitely won't be convicted.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May 29 20:37:05 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Still more on the 11-year-old negro rapist!
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Seems like some people are getting REALLY HONKED at the FACT that an
11-year-old NEGRO would commit rape, and more still, LEAD the GANG-RAPE of
a 13-year-old girl.  I've even had some liberal softie tell me that our
"softness on crime", or somesuch, is responsible for this sort of abomination.

Nonsense.

Multi-racialism is.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stephi Stevens (stevens@azstarnet.com) writes:
> In article <4nqruq$qso@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
>>From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
>>Subject: Honest Abe, yet again!
>>Date: 20 May 1996 22:32:58 GMT
> 
> Dear Les,
> 
>>Hoping to forestall any starry-eyed liberal from misrepresenting the so-
>>called "Civil War", or Abraham Lincoln, I submit the following:
> 
> 		<>
> 
> So, what's the point?  Most of the people who have been truly educated in
> this country know this already.  And his main point was "the two races
> aren't going to get along, we (the European-Americans) ought to send
> them (the African-Americans) back to Africa."

His other point was, if one has to called superior to the other, he was in
favour of the White Race being called superior to the negro race.  Don't
neglect to mention that.

> Abraham Lincoln's contribution to this nation was in keeping the country
> whole, not in freeing the slaves. 

One would never know it from all the Political Correctness that passes
itself off as "history".

Les




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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
 
 (snip)
 
This is really pathetic, Crazy.  You're responding to your OWN messages? 
Pretty sad.  
 
Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Some e-mail...
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Got this here e-mail concerning the precocious 11-year-old...

>From  ALeftist@aol.com  Sat May 25 15:41:45 1996
Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA21286 for ; Sat, 25 May 1996 15:41:44 -0400
From: ALeftist@aol.com
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To: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: try to stop hating ppl because of their skin's color

you should try and stop hating ppl because their skin is darker than yours.

there is only one race - the human race.

Yoo-hoo, Whitehouse, you reading this?

Les



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Subject: ACCUSED BOY RAPIST 'WANTS TO COME HOME'
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_Ottawa Sun_, Friday May 24 1996, page 24


	TORONTO (CP) - The mother of an 11-year-old boy accused of sexual
assault visited him yesterday for the first time since a judge ordered him
to a psychiatric hospital.

	"He doesn't even know what is going on," the mother said.  "He
wants to come home."

	Police call the child a chronic offender who has escalated from
car theft to the alleged abduction and rape of a 13-year-old girl earlier
this month.

	The boy, who cannot be identified, has calmly told police he's too
young to be charged in a crime.

	The Young Offenders Act only allows charges against children older
than 12.  Frustrated police officers and Reform MPs have called for the
minimum age to be reduced to 10.

	His mother said yesterday he was made subject to supervision by
the Children's Aid Society by a judge's order last April.  He continued to
live with his mother but received weekly visits from a social worker.

	The mother says her son's first contact with police was in
December 1994.  Since then, he has been accused of joyriding in stolen
cars, a holdup, theft, possession of stolen property.

	She said he was never offerred any programs and there was never an
attempt to have him assessed by a psychiatrist.

	Officers say the boy led three others in dragging the 13-year-old
girl off the street on May 3, dragging her to his apartment and taking off
her clothes.

Les




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Kunt McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4o8jud$1dak@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net wrote:

(snip)

>>BTW #2:  when is Lessylvie going to get his summons?  (oops--wasn't supposed
>>to say that).
> 
> "Lessylvie" is incorrect. The Charbonneau does indeed exist..
> it would appear that they may have met in an apartment house
> that Leslie may have briefly managed... it is so hard to get
> accurate gossip these days.. in any event, Leslie left daddy's
> cottage for a time, and appears to have returned with the
> Charbonneau in tow... perhaps crowding daddy, or even crowding
> daddy out... one cannot say with certainty how such matters
> develop.

How about, we both attended daddy's funeral?  Feel good, cunt?
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May 29 20:37:33 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Congoids may SAY that they find typical negress features attractive, but
>>their ACTIONS prove otherwise.  Virtually any and all well-to-do negroes
>>marry white.
> 
>>This is the sort of thing that liberals really hate...
> 
> I don't suppose you have any statistics to back up this assertion??  Nah,
> I didn't think so.  It strikes me as unlikely, although I don't have any
> figures on "inter-racial" marriage, either.  But I was thinking of the
> US Secretary of Trade (or whatever) who was killed recently in the 
> airplane crash in the former Yugoslavia, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, 
> Whitney Houston, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, just to name a few.

Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
Williams, just to name a few.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) babbles:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Steve GREGG (smgregg@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> This is not true.  General Colin Powell had the power of command over
>>> the entire US military and the military enjoyed high standards.  If it
>>> was ready for collapse, there was no evidence of that during Desert
>>> Storm. 
> 
>>You don't think that casualties due to friendly fire (which, BTW, exceeded
>>casualties caused by enemy action) indicate a problem?
> 
> Oh Herr Obergooberpimpfenführer, this is lame, even for you.  You can't
> really be suggesting that friendly fire never happened before the Gulf
> War, not even you are so dumb to put out such a blatantly wrong and
> idiotic remark.

Friendly fire casualties indicate a problem WHEREVER they occur, dummy. 
However, the topic under discussion was the so-called Gulf "War".

(rest of Fester verbal diarrhea snipped)

Les


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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip)

>>> I don't suppose you have any statistics to back up this assertion?? 
>>> [i.e. that successful negroes marry white]  Nah,
>>> I didn't think so.  It strikes me as unlikely, although I don't have any
>>> figures on "inter-racial" marriage, either.  But I was thinking of the
>>> US Secretary of Trade (or whatever) who was killed recently in the 
>>> airplane crash in the former Yugoslavia, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, 
>>> Whitney Houston, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, just to name a few.
> 
>>Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
>>O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
>>Williams, just to name a few.
> 
> I guess that means no, you don't have any statistics to back up the 
> assertion.  Without them, this is sort of pointless.  Martin Luther 
> King's widow, Coretta King (if I recall correctly), is not "white",
> Herr Unterfartenführer.  

But the "Reverend Doctor" didn't spend his last night on this mortal coil
with his wife, either.  Reportedly, he spent it with two prostitues, at
least one of whom was white.  Nor was his philandering a big secret.

It would also prove instructive to read Eldridge Cleaver's _Soul on Ice_,
to see what negroes REALLY think about white women.

Les




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Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> 
> : Don't forget Clarence Thomas, the "Reverend Doctor" Martin Luther King,
> : O.J. Simpson, any negro sports figure (with white slut groupies), Montel
> : Williams, just to name a few.
> 
> : Les
> 
> Um, Les, two things.
> 
> 1)  Coretta Scott King is BLACK.

And as I mentioned to Fester, he didn't spend his bed-time with her, but
with prostitues, many of whom were white.

> 2)  I'm not big into sports, but I can tell you that Magic Johnson's wife 
> is also black, which sort of rules out "any sports figure".

You admit that you're not "big" into sports, yet you feel qualified to
address the issue of big buck blacks with white slut groupies?  This must
be typical liberal assertion.

> 3)  Clarence Thomas took advantage of AA programs, and then turned around 
> to blast them; the majority of blacks would *not* include him as a 
> representative of any trends among African-Americans.

So Thomas bit the hand that fed him.  Tell me how this is different than
what the typical negro does.
 
Les




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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> "Caesar" wrote:
>> 
>> Live with the fact that racism is dying.
> 
> As long as there are races there will be "racism." It is inborn, has an 
> evolutionary purpose and survival value, and is even present in non-human 
> species. Racial feelings are about as likely to disappear as are sexual 
> feelings.
> 
> Actually, racism is good and necessary for the continued branching off of 
> new types of human beings from the existing stocks. Evolution, so far as 
> we know, operates primarily by such branching, and racial feelings are an 
> important part of what keeps the branches apart. At some point, homo 
> sapiens sapiens refused to breed with the sub-men around him.
> 
> Mallards and wood ducks can interbreed, and may even do so under certain 
> freak conditions, but the mentality of the ducks, even when they live in 
> the same territory, makes them shun the other type. The branches, once 
> one, are now separate for all time. Most Whites -- even most liberal 
> Whites -- instinctively shun Blacks as neighbors, school mates, and bed 
> mates. This is good and natural and really has nothing at all to do with 
> the emotion of hate.

Of course, the fact that a FEW whites marry non-whites will be grabbed as
"evidence" that the "barriers" are coming down, or whatever these liberal
turkeys say.  What they fail to realize is, that people are being shaken
off the fence.  Some fall on one side, some on the other.
 
> Evolution, branching and separation have brought about all the wonderful 
> diversity of creation that we see around us. It is Nature's way.

Liberals also fail to understand that the best way to preserve the
diversity they so CLAIM to love is through segregation.  I'm beginning to
wonder if liberals REALLY CARE in the least for "diversity", and are not
actually motivated by anti-White racism.

Les


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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> "Duncan R. MacMillan"  wrote:
> 
>>				The Problem
>>				------------
>>	Let's not beat about the bush: the problem is NIGGERS. You are a bunch
>>of feckless, clinically retarded, psychopaths that devolved into a sub-species
>>where the fastest got to eat the tastiest, so your brains got smaller.
> 
> Of course, the fact that whites have more body hair than blacks,
> seemingly implying a closer link to apes than black people have, just
> goes right over your pointy head.

Salamanders have NO body hair.  Gee, they must be further evolved beyond
ape-hood than either Aryans OR negroes!

Les



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Stian Oksavik (stian@radata.no) writes:

(snip)

> It works both ways, I guess. Having grown up in a pretty much homogenous
> white population (Norway,) I actually find relations with people of other
> races intriguing, and much more interesting than any kind of relationships
> with other whites. Racism is one thing, and I suppose it can be both good
> and bad.
> Fear of and/or hatred for other races is solely a bad thing, and what's
> sad is that it is usually due to lack of knowledge. Fear of the unknown,
> in other words.

I disagree.  Never heard of the old saw, "Familiarity breeds contempt"?

Les




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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Laura Finsten wrote:

Ourobouros:
>> >Perhaps since we believe in everybody
>> >being equal all women before they get married should have this done to
>> >them (i.e., Samoan defloration rituals, or Polynesian gang-bangs).
>> >Perhaps it should be televised so that everybody can watch. >> =
> 
>> >If you multi-culturalists find this repulsive then why?  And why should
>> >it not be practised?  Afterall you do believe in multi-culturalism and
>> >everybody being equal don=92t you?
>> =
> 
>> Mr. Stone, are these practices still carried out in Samoa today?
>> I believe that the answer to that question is "no".  So the question
>> then becomes "so what?"  -- unless you would agree that every past
>> European practice that is no longer consistent with contemporary
>> values somehow reflects on contemporary European "character".  You
>> know, things like "the rule of thumb", human sacrifice in the Bronze
>> Age, wave after wave of barbaric wars, sweatshop labour practices,
>> the burning of "witches", and so on.
> 
> I have snipped your gratuitous insults to the original poster.
> 
> Yes, past practices of Europeans -- and other races -- do indeed reflect =
> on the potentials and behavioral tendencies of each race. Why wouldn't =
> they?
> 
> And why should we discriminate against cultural practices just because =
> they come from another time? That sounds like era-ism to me!
> 
> There are, of course, plenty of _current_ practices of non-European =
> cultures that could have been cited with just as much effect. Female =
> circumcision, the wonderful fun of Santeria, and the main contribution of =
> the New South Africa to our world, necklacing as a means of political =
> expression.
> 
> If the multiculturalists have their way, soon coming to a neighborhood =
> near you....
> 
> Of course, you failed to note that the arrival and influence of Europeans =
> may have had something to do with the putative changes in Samoan marriage =
> rituals. 

Just as the arrival of the British in India put an end to _suttee_, or
foot-binding in China...

I think Ourobouros makes a good point:  why not adopt the practices of the
Samoans and/or Polynesians?  After all, to refuse to do so is to actually
ADMIT that they are not Good Things, and when one gets right down to it,
liberals just CANNOT bring themselves to admit that non-whites were
anything but pristine before getting screwed-up by the arrival of the
Europeans.

> And you also did not answer the question posed: Why shouldn't we = 
> accept this culture as equally valuable compared to our own?

Another good point.

Les


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Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Laura Finsten wrote:

Ourobouros:
>> >Perhaps since we believe in everybody
>> >being equal all women before they get married should have this done to
>> >them (i.e., Samoan defloration rituals, or Polynesian gang-bangs).
>> >Perhaps it should be televised so that everybody can watch. >> =
> 
>> >If you multi-culturalists find this repulsive then why?  And why should
>> >it not be practised?  Afterall you do believe in multi-culturalism and
>> >everybody being equal don=92t you?
>> =
> 
>> Mr. Stone, are these practices still carried out in Samoa today?
>> I believe that the answer to that question is "no".  So the question
>> then becomes "so what?"  -- unless you would agree that every past
>> European practice that is no longer consistent with contemporary
>> values somehow reflects on contemporary European "character".  You
>> know, things like "the rule of thumb", human sacrifice in the Bronze
>> Age, wave after wave of barbaric wars, sweatshop labour practices,
>> the burning of "witches", and so on.
> 
> I have snipped your gratuitous insults to the original poster.
> 
> Yes, past practices of Europeans -- and other races -- do indeed reflect =
> on the potentials and behavioral tendencies of each race. Why wouldn't =
> they?
> 
> And why should we discriminate against cultural practices just because =
> they come from another time? That sounds like era-ism to me!
> 
> There are, of course, plenty of _current_ practices of non-European =
> cultures that could have been cited with just as much effect. Female =
> circumcision, the wonderful fun of Santeria, and the main contribution of =
> the New South Africa to our world, necklacing as a means of political =
> expression.
> 
> If the multiculturalists have their way, soon coming to a neighborhood =
> near you....
> 
> Of course, you failed to note that the arrival and influence of Europeans =
> may have had something to do with the putative changes in Samoan marriage =
> rituals. 

Just as the arrival of the British in India put an end to _suttee_, or
foot-binding in China...

I think Ourobouros makes a good point:  why not adopt the practices of the
Samoans and/or Polynesians?  After all, to refuse to do so is to actually
ADMIT that they are not Good Things, and when one gets right down to it,
liberals just CANNOT bring themselves to admit that non-whites were
anything but pristine before getting screwed-up by the arrival of the
Europeans.

> And you also did not answer the question posed: Why shouldn't we = 
> accept this culture as equally valuable compared to our own?

Another good point.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 31 11:10:12 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Whiny union shit John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser Les Griswold smarms:
> 
>> How about, we both attended daddy's funeral?  Feel good, cunt?
> 
> We only have the Loser's word for it that daddy is dead. How do we know he
> isn't alive and well in Miami with the Jews who didn't really die in
> the Holocaust because (quoth Griswold) the Holocaust never happened?
> 
> (Bad taste, some will say. But all of this cretin's spew is intentionally
> hurtful to Jews, Blacks and others. What goes around comes around.)

Yep, that's what we can expect from a whiny union shit like Bagless.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri May 31 12:17:54 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Mark Staloff (staloff@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:

(snip - I named a bunch of knee-grows who married white)

>>> Um, Les, two things.
>  
>>> 1)  Coretta Scott King is BLACK.
> 
>>And as I mentioned to Fester, he didn't spend his bed-time with her, but
>>with prostitues, many of whom were white.
> 
> But as you seem to have forgotten, Herr Oberschweinengruppenführer, your
> original, unsupported statement was that virtually all successful blacks
> *marry* whites.  

Typical liberal:  go for the win by definition.  By that token, Fester,
how do you know that your husband isn't *married* to you, but has some
rather, shall we say, EXTRAMARITAL affairs?

Les




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Chuck Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:

(snip)

>> >>>BTW #2:  when is Lessylvie going to get his summons?  (oops--wasn't supposed
>> >>>to say that).
>  
>> >How about, we both attended daddy's funeral?  Feel good, cunt?
> 
> How come the rest of your friends weren't invited to view the body?
> The "c" word is used only by juveniles, mostly delinquents. and maybe 
> an asshole or two.

Let's see... McOyVay makes references to my dead father, I call him a name
(justifiably so, I think), and I'M the "juvenile... asshole".  Must be
liberal reasoning.

Les




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Chuck Herrick (charles.herrick@cyberdigm.com) writes:
> Roger  wrote:
> 
>>In article 
>>           zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk "Dave Budd" writes:
> 
>>> Aren't there laws against distributing racist material?
>>> Surely the net isn't exempt just because it's electronic?
>>> Who do we report this guy to?
> 
>>What's the point in reporting him. He's so unpleasant that even other
>>racists have to hold their noses in his company. I reckon that Duncan
>>makes more people become liberal than the rest of us put together.
> 
> Your implication is that by making others into Liberals, this guy
> is a Conservative or Republican.
> 
> He's not. He is a bigot.
> 
> As such, he finds no comradeship in either group.
> 
> It is Liberals like you who make others into Conservatives
> by comparing Conservatives with bigots like this blighter.

Are you a conservative?  I'll assume that you are, and ask YOU the
following question, as I've asked several other self-styled conservatives,
and not gotten an answer:

Just WHAT is it that you guys think you are "conserving"?

If you're not a conservative, I apologize.

Les




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M.S. Robb (msr16@cus.cam.ac.uk) writes:
> In article <833427158snz@drmac.demon.co.uk>,
> Duncan R. MacMillan  wrote:
> 
>>acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing 
>>ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 30 
>>years a large segment of black America has waged a war of violent 
>>retribution against white America.
> 
> Can you tell me which of a white or a black youth is more likely to be 
> the victim of a violent assault?
> 
>>	And the problem is getting worse, not better.  In the past 20 
>>years, violent crime has increased more than four times faster than the 
>>population.  Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous 
>>generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than 
>>young whites.
> 
> Can you break this down by social class?
> 
>>*  According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime 
>>victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and 
>>robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, 
>>or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.
> 
> So nearly all are not inter-racial. About 80%.
> 
>>*  Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according 
>>to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", 
>>published in 1993.
> 
> What proportion of the population are white? If you factor in social 
> class, is this significant?
> 
>>*  Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or 
>>raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who 
>>were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the 
>>same survey.
> 
> Factor for population size and social class, and what do you get?
> 
>>*  Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than 
>>whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of 
>>the white population.  When these figures are adjusted on a per capita 
>>basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more 
>>than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.
> 
> Which by social class means what?
> 
>>*  According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau 
>>of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and 
>>white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that 
>>whites murder blacks.
> 
> Which by social class means what?
> 
>> 	When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and 
>>personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious.  
>>The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were 
>>committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the 
>>robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per 
>>cent in the reverse).
> 
> Which by social class means what? 
> 
>>	All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, by 
>>assembling the facts in this way, I would be deemed a racist by the 
>>American news media.  It prefers to maintain a paternalistic 
>>double-standard in its coverage of black America, a lower standard.
> 
> Try again. Blacks are porer. Poor people tend to commit more violent 
> crime. Tat ou have chosen not even to mention this to explain the stats 
> rather exposes your aim in posting this crap.
> 
So, basically what you're saying is, that it's all right for negroes to
kill whites, as long as they (negroes) are a minority, and can claim
"poverty" and other socialist bafflegab as excuses.
 
Les




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Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <31AC5A38.708C@rio.com>, Chuck Ferree  wrote:
> 
> [Leslie Griswold] 
> "How about, we both attended daddy's funeral?  Feel good, cunt?"
> 
> [Mr. Ferree]
> 
> "The 'c' word is used only by juveniles, mostly delinquents. and maybe 
> an asshole or two."
> 
> Perhaps his father suffered from terminal humiliation. Given
> his son's mouth, and inability to express himself without
> resorting to gutter language, it wouldn't surprise me.

Given that, Kenny, why did you leave the United States, and wait so long
before finding your anti-(White) racist torch?  Didn't want to embarrass
your family with your asinine behaviour?

Les



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Ken McOyVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:

(snip)

> Let's examine this issue, shall we, Leslie?
> 
> Mr. Baglow quite correctly notes that your articles are intentionally
> hurtful to specific ethnic and cultural groups.

But Bagless fails to mention that, when they don't contain invective (and
sometimes even when they do) they are TRUTHFUL.  Neither do you.  Nor do
you EVER address ANYTHING in any message, but seek ONLY to discredit the
poster, if you disagree with him.

> It can, as anyone quickly touring your archived articles will quickly agree,
> be fairly said that you deliberately hurt people, and that you do so in a
> petty and spiteful manner.
> 
> [http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/griswold.leslie]

Ken, thanks again for the free plug!  I mean, really, with enemies like
you, who needs friends?

> Mr. Baglow further points out that when the shoe is on the other foot, when
> YOU have suffered some hurt, you immediately resort to insult and obscenity.

Face it, Kenny, you were crude and crass, and you can't negate that fact
with all the bluster about "Griswold deserved it!"

> I take it, Leslie, that you don't LIKE it when people cause you hurt. It's a
> very human reaction, and, in your case, one which will garner you very
> little sympathy.

Sound pretty sure of yourself, there, "Bucky".  Let's just see about that,
shall we?

> What goes around does indeed come around, Mr. Griswold. You're upset because
> someone touched a nerve? Too damned bad, Bucky, too damned bad. It couldn't
> have happened to a more richly deserving cretin.
> 
> You think _you_ hurt? How must your father have felt, having you for a son?

Actually, my father was quite proud of me.  Must burn your ass, eh?

You liberals seem to have this fixation with father-figures, always going
on about what they must think of us.  Is this somehow related to the
unstable families liberals have?

(snip)

> Posted and emailed.

Ah, gawd, don't tell me you're starting this crap.
 
Les




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Dan Bennett (rdbennet@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> In <31acf447.23064918@news.concentric.net> clambert@cris.com (Craig
> Lambert) writes: 
> 
>>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>>1865: you lost
> 
> I'd contend that in 1865, BOTH sides were what we'd today consider
> white supremacists.  And of course, none of those other people existed
> then.  Then again, if you're just trying to bash the South a little
> bit, well, one form of bigotry is as bad as another, don't you think?

Yes, but it allows him to throw his accusations as widely as possible.  As
a typical liberal, Craig pushes the facts aside when they clash with his
truths.

Les



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 (csurzinski@infoave.net) writes:
>> 
>> It would also prove instructive to read Eldridge Cleaver's _Soul on Ice_,
>> to see what negroes REALLY think about white women.
>> 
> You mean you actually read things by others that are non-white? 

It is sometimes quite instructive to read the negro's OWN words, rather
than what White separatists say about them.  Same goes for the jews.

> If and whatever he wrote is most likely HIS OPINION not all black men's
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this an admission that YOU haven't read it, or even know what I'm
talking about?

> opinions of white women and certainly no different than what white men like
> you think of white women.

Really?  I DARE you to find references by me as to the merits of RAPING
white, or ANY, women.  Until then, shut your slandering gob.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jun  1 06:32:38 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> (csurzinski@infoave.net) writes:
>  
>>>> It would also prove instructive to read Eldridge Cleaver's _Soul on Ice_,
>>>> to see what negroes REALLY think about white women.
>  
>>> You mean you actually read things by others that are non-white?
> 
> If I might interject here, I would like to point out that this is yet
> another example of Oberfartenführer Griswold's irrepressible tendency
> to stereotype based on race: 

And this is another of YOUR irrepressible tendencies:  to respond at great
length, yet without offering ANYTHING of substance.

(snip - Fester's verbal diarrhea deleted)

>>It is sometimes quite instructive to read the negro's OWN words, rather
>>than what White separatists say about them.  Same goes for the jews.
> 
>>> If and whatever he wrote is most likely HIS OPINION not all black men's
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Is this an admission that YOU haven't read it, or even know what I'm
>>talking about?
> 
>>> opinions of white women and certainly no different than what white men like
>>> you think of white women.
>>
>>Really?  I DARE you to find references by me as to the merits of RAPING
>>white, or ANY, women.  Until then, shut your slandering gob.

Why'd you keep this, Fester?  Since neither he nor you (nore ANYONE, for
that matter, not even our self-appointed archivist, Ken McOyVay) can find
ANY message by me condoning rape, why would you keep this exchange, which
just proves what malicious, vicious little vermin you liberals are?

Les





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